<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_11_1912240</id>
	<title>Is China Creating the World's Largest Botnet Army?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244748120000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://eaves.ca/" rel="nofollow">david\_a\_eaves</a> writes <i>"The Chinese government is mandating that all computers sold in China come with Internet blocking software. Rob Cottingham writes an excellent <a href="http://www.socialsignal.com/blog/rob-cottingham/censorship-isnt-only-problem-with-chinas-new-internet-blocking-software">piece noting how the censorship application of this software should be the least of our concerns</a>. This new software may create an opportunity for the Chinese Government to appropriate these computers and use them to create the worlds largest botnet army."</i>

<b>Update: 06/11 21:26 GMT</b> by <b> <a href="http://www.monkey.org/~timothy/">T</a> </b>: <a href="http://www.cse.umich.edu/~jhalderm/" rel="nofollow">J. Alex Halderman</a> writes <i>"My students and I have been examining the Green Dam censorware software.  We've found serious vulnerabilities that can be exploited by any web site a user visits with the software installed.  We also found that some of the blacklists seems to have been taken from the American-made filtering program CyberSitter.  We've posted a <a href="http://www.cse.umich.edu/~jhalderm/pub/gd/">report and demo</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>david \ _a \ _eaves writes " The Chinese government is mandating that all computers sold in China come with Internet blocking software .
Rob Cottingham writes an excellent piece noting how the censorship application of this software should be the least of our concerns .
This new software may create an opportunity for the Chinese Government to appropriate these computers and use them to create the worlds largest botnet army .
" Update : 06/11 21 : 26 GMT by T : J. Alex Halderman writes " My students and I have been examining the Green Dam censorware software .
We 've found serious vulnerabilities that can be exploited by any web site a user visits with the software installed .
We also found that some of the blacklists seems to have been taken from the American-made filtering program CyberSitter .
We 've posted a report and demo .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>david\_a\_eaves writes "The Chinese government is mandating that all computers sold in China come with Internet blocking software.
Rob Cottingham writes an excellent piece noting how the censorship application of this software should be the least of our concerns.
This new software may create an opportunity for the Chinese Government to appropriate these computers and use them to create the worlds largest botnet army.
"

Update: 06/11 21:26 GMT by  T : J. Alex Halderman writes "My students and I have been examining the Green Dam censorware software.
We've found serious vulnerabilities that can be exploited by any web site a user visits with the software installed.
We also found that some of the blacklists seems to have been taken from the American-made filtering program CyberSitter.
We've posted a report and demo.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300455</id>
	<title>WTF?</title>
	<author>Alarindris</author>
	<datestamp>1244715360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So is China the new Russia now?  I don't understand the fearmongering.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So is China the new Russia now ?
I do n't understand the fearmongering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So is China the new Russia now?
I don't understand the fearmongering.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299089</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>evilkasper</author>
	<datestamp>1244753700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>we could "accidentally" drop anchor on it....</htmltext>
<tokenext>we could " accidentally " drop anchor on it... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we could "accidentally" drop anchor on it....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298531</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28302207</id>
	<title>I see it the other way around</title>
	<author>Maniacal</author>
	<datestamp>1244723220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to the update to the story the software they are using is extremely vulnerable and opens up the host system to attack.  Uncle Sam just needs to throw up some sites that exploit the flaw(s) and attract Chinese visitors and they'll have their own botnet, internal to China, courtesy of the Chinese Government.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the update to the story the software they are using is extremely vulnerable and opens up the host system to attack .
Uncle Sam just needs to throw up some sites that exploit the flaw ( s ) and attract Chinese visitors and they 'll have their own botnet , internal to China , courtesy of the Chinese Government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the update to the story the software they are using is extremely vulnerable and opens up the host system to attack.
Uncle Sam just needs to throw up some sites that exploit the flaw(s) and attract Chinese visitors and they'll have their own botnet, internal to China, courtesy of the Chinese Government.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299677</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>CastrTroy</author>
	<datestamp>1244712720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wouldn't it be easy for the people buying the computers to wipe the hard drive and install their own software, without the internet blocking software on it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it be easy for the people buying the computers to wipe the hard drive and install their own software , without the internet blocking software on it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it be easy for the people buying the computers to wipe the hard drive and install their own software, without the internet blocking software on it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298531</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298711</id>
	<title>Internal Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if they had a botnet army, the botnet is only as smart as the person(s) controlling them.</p><p>That being said, even if China itself didn't use this software as a backdoor into people's systems to install botnet software, a skilled group of hackers can.</p><p>What could they do with it?  They could...  use it to gather intelligence.  China's security software already gathers info, directing a copy of that same information elsewhere should be trivial.</p><p>As far as more nefarious uses?  What could they do that we haven't seen before?  Hack into the Pentagon?  Oh, that's already been done.</p><p>This looks like more of a threat to China's internal security than to the USA's security.  They could gather any information they wanted to, including finding dirt to smear political opponents with, or using it to find out what tidbits there are out there.</p><p>Considering that this won't really affect computers outside of China (with the possible exception of exported pre-loaded PCs), the most harm they can do to us is a DDoS attack.  The noticeable lack of security within this software is much more of a threat.  (memory address copy?  OK!  I don't even have to decrypt it!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if they had a botnet army , the botnet is only as smart as the person ( s ) controlling them.That being said , even if China itself did n't use this software as a backdoor into people 's systems to install botnet software , a skilled group of hackers can.What could they do with it ?
They could... use it to gather intelligence .
China 's security software already gathers info , directing a copy of that same information elsewhere should be trivial.As far as more nefarious uses ?
What could they do that we have n't seen before ?
Hack into the Pentagon ?
Oh , that 's already been done.This looks like more of a threat to China 's internal security than to the USA 's security .
They could gather any information they wanted to , including finding dirt to smear political opponents with , or using it to find out what tidbits there are out there.Considering that this wo n't really affect computers outside of China ( with the possible exception of exported pre-loaded PCs ) , the most harm they can do to us is a DDoS attack .
The noticeable lack of security within this software is much more of a threat .
( memory address copy ?
OK ! I do n't even have to decrypt it !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if they had a botnet army, the botnet is only as smart as the person(s) controlling them.That being said, even if China itself didn't use this software as a backdoor into people's systems to install botnet software, a skilled group of hackers can.What could they do with it?
They could...  use it to gather intelligence.
China's security software already gathers info, directing a copy of that same information elsewhere should be trivial.As far as more nefarious uses?
What could they do that we haven't seen before?
Hack into the Pentagon?
Oh, that's already been done.This looks like more of a threat to China's internal security than to the USA's security.
They could gather any information they wanted to, including finding dirt to smear political opponents with, or using it to find out what tidbits there are out there.Considering that this won't really affect computers outside of China (with the possible exception of exported pre-loaded PCs), the most harm they can do to us is a DDoS attack.
The noticeable lack of security within this software is much more of a threat.
(memory address copy?
OK!  I don't even have to decrypt it!
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298815</id>
	<title>So this is a dupe?</title>
	<author>Looce</author>
	<datestamp>1244752860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/06/11/1347219/Chinese-Govt-Spyware-Puts-Computers-At-Risk" title="slashdot.org">Chinese Govt Spyware Puts Computers at Risk</a> [slashdot.org]. It was posted <i>this morning</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chinese Govt Spyware Puts Computers at Risk [ slashdot.org ] .
It was posted this morning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chinese Govt Spyware Puts Computers at Risk [slashdot.org].
It was posted this morning.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28304779</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244747280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's direct imports. How many other imports contain parts made in China?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's direct imports .
How many other imports contain parts made in China ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's direct imports.
How many other imports contain parts made in China?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300071</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298619</id>
	<title>That would be like...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>A few million Stormtroopers standing on the surface of the Death Star with ThinkGeek green lasers.<br> <br>
Archimedes would be proud!<br> <br> <br>
(Think before you mod me offtopic.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>A few million Stormtroopers standing on the surface of the Death Star with ThinkGeek green lasers .
Archimedes would be proud !
( Think before you mod me offtopic .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few million Stormtroopers standing on the surface of the Death Star with ThinkGeek green lasers.
Archimedes would be proud!
(Think before you mod me offtopic.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28303097</id>
	<title>completely misleading article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244729580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is basically like a netnanny program. Plus government programs in China are rarely enforced. This is basically some company getting a shit load of money for free, and some politician being able to brag about how he's protecting the children. In reality it will never be enforced.... biggest reason is if people hate it then they will just buy computers without the OS and install their own copy of windows. Which a lot of people do already... If you expect this to be strictly enforced then I suppose you think everyone uses Red Flag linux already... oh, but wouldn't that be ironic since this is a windows only program, haha..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is basically like a netnanny program .
Plus government programs in China are rarely enforced .
This is basically some company getting a shit load of money for free , and some politician being able to brag about how he 's protecting the children .
In reality it will never be enforced.... biggest reason is if people hate it then they will just buy computers without the OS and install their own copy of windows .
Which a lot of people do already... If you expect this to be strictly enforced then I suppose you think everyone uses Red Flag linux already... oh , but would n't that be ironic since this is a windows only program , haha. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is basically like a netnanny program.
Plus government programs in China are rarely enforced.
This is basically some company getting a shit load of money for free, and some politician being able to brag about how he's protecting the children.
In reality it will never be enforced.... biggest reason is if people hate it then they will just buy computers without the OS and install their own copy of windows.
Which a lot of people do already... If you expect this to be strictly enforced then I suppose you think everyone uses Red Flag linux already... oh, but wouldn't that be ironic since this is a windows only program, haha..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298805</id>
	<title>Yawn</title>
	<author>clarkkent09</author>
	<datestamp>1244752800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it is bad enough that the Chinese government is forcing people to have censorship software installed on their computers which obviously will have to know what sites they are visiting and probably what else they are doing on their computers without having to engage in idle speculation on what else it can be used for.  In any case, the idea that it will be used as a botnet is kind of weird and imho unlikely. You'd think that the Chinese government would have enough computing resources to do what it needs including waging cyberwar without having to resort to something as messy as this. Or it could commandeer an existing botnet, or, being a totalitarian government it could simply make it mandatory to install botnet software, or it could build one in "traditional" way using viruses etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it is bad enough that the Chinese government is forcing people to have censorship software installed on their computers which obviously will have to know what sites they are visiting and probably what else they are doing on their computers without having to engage in idle speculation on what else it can be used for .
In any case , the idea that it will be used as a botnet is kind of weird and imho unlikely .
You 'd think that the Chinese government would have enough computing resources to do what it needs including waging cyberwar without having to resort to something as messy as this .
Or it could commandeer an existing botnet , or , being a totalitarian government it could simply make it mandatory to install botnet software , or it could build one in " traditional " way using viruses etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it is bad enough that the Chinese government is forcing people to have censorship software installed on their computers which obviously will have to know what sites they are visiting and probably what else they are doing on their computers without having to engage in idle speculation on what else it can be used for.
In any case, the idea that it will be used as a botnet is kind of weird and imho unlikely.
You'd think that the Chinese government would have enough computing resources to do what it needs including waging cyberwar without having to resort to something as messy as this.
Or it could commandeer an existing botnet, or, being a totalitarian government it could simply make it mandatory to install botnet software, or it could build one in "traditional" way using viruses etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28307893</id>
	<title>Re:Don't usually get dupes the same day</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244820420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whats funny is if you look at the comments in that article, some one posted "is this china amassing a giant bot net?? and it got score of a 2....<br>now there's another story about it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whats funny is if you look at the comments in that article , some one posted " is this china amassing a giant bot net ? ?
and it got score of a 2....now there 's another story about it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whats funny is if you look at the comments in that article, some one posted "is this china amassing a giant bot net??
and it got score of a 2....now there's another story about it...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298719</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299341</id>
	<title>To answer the headline...</title>
	<author>cylcyl</author>
	<datestamp>1244711520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, they're just creating skynet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , they 're just creating skynet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, they're just creating skynet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298841</id>
	<title>Or just block their IP space</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only reason botnets are so effective is they are distributed. When they come from all over the place, you have to do a ton of individual blocks. If they are all from the same IP space, ok just black hole China's space and that's it. Wouldn't take a block from very many top level providers and they'd be doing nothing at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only reason botnets are so effective is they are distributed .
When they come from all over the place , you have to do a ton of individual blocks .
If they are all from the same IP space , ok just black hole China 's space and that 's it .
Would n't take a block from very many top level providers and they 'd be doing nothing at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only reason botnets are so effective is they are distributed.
When they come from all over the place, you have to do a ton of individual blocks.
If they are all from the same IP space, ok just black hole China's space and that's it.
Wouldn't take a block from very many top level providers and they'd be doing nothing at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298531</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299331</id>
	<title>Re:while of course this is fud</title>
	<author>TropicalCoder</author>
	<datestamp>1244711460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>um - hate to tell you this, but I think you need a new keyboard. It appears that your shift key is not working...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>um - hate to tell you this , but I think you need a new keyboard .
It appears that your shift key is not working.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>um - hate to tell you this, but I think you need a new keyboard.
It appears that your shift key is not working...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298901</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299531</id>
	<title>Don't panic!</title>
	<author>C\_Kode</author>
	<datestamp>1244712180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't panic, we will be ok!  I have Windows Firewall!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't panic , we will be ok !
I have Windows Firewall ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't panic, we will be ok!
I have Windows Firewall!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28306375</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244812080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do exports to the USA have 13\% of USA imports?  That doesn't make any sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do exports to the USA have 13 \ % of USA imports ?
That does n't make any sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do exports to the USA have 13\% of USA imports?
That doesn't make any sense.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300071</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28302093</id>
	<title>Re:while of course this is fud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244722380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a standard procedure for this sort of situation.  "Trust but verify"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a standard procedure for this sort of situation .
" Trust but verify "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a standard procedure for this sort of situation.
"Trust but verify"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298901</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298795</id>
	<title>Wrong country in Asia</title>
	<author>emocomputerjock</author>
	<datestamp>1244752800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope everyone's spam filters are up to date, because I'm sure crimeware authors would exploit it first..</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope everyone 's spam filters are up to date , because I 'm sure crimeware authors would exploit it first. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope everyone's spam filters are up to date, because I'm sure crimeware authors would exploit it first..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298583</id>
	<title>oOooo Scary!</title>
	<author>vancondo</author>
	<datestamp>1244751960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well if they are it's certainly more threatening than a bunch of terracotta warriors.

<br>-<br>-
-<a href="http://vancouvercondo.info/" title="vancouvercondo.info" rel="nofollow"> <b>VanCondo</b> </a> [vancouvercondo.info]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if they are it 's certainly more threatening than a bunch of terracotta warriors .
-- - VanCondo [ vancouvercondo.info ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if they are it's certainly more threatening than a bunch of terracotta warriors.
--
- VanCondo  [vancouvercondo.info]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28332675</id>
	<title>Re:People are such suckers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245098040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice straw man.</p><p>A. Social conservatives aren't idiot.<br>B. What makes you assume social conservatives are in favor of massive government control like this in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice straw man.A .
Social conservatives are n't idiot.B .
What makes you assume social conservatives are in favor of massive government control like this in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice straw man.A.
Social conservatives aren't idiot.B.
What makes you assume social conservatives are in favor of massive government control like this in the first place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298621</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28301339</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>ShieldW0lf</author>
	<datestamp>1244718720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't worry... it's Windows only.  Therefore, the Chinese botnet will never be larger than the American botnet.
<br> <br>
Though, if Balmer makes good on his threat, the worlds largest botnet will belong to... the Irish?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry... it 's Windows only .
Therefore , the Chinese botnet will never be larger than the American botnet .
Though , if Balmer makes good on his threat , the worlds largest botnet will belong to... the Irish ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry... it's Windows only.
Therefore, the Chinese botnet will never be larger than the American botnet.
Though, if Balmer makes good on his threat, the worlds largest botnet will belong to... the Irish?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299087</id>
	<title>Re:Look....</title>
	<author>illiter4te</author>
	<datestamp>1244753700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Look</p><p><div class="quote"><p>at this...
<a href="http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2008/02/01/SeaCableHi.jpg" title="guardian.co.uk" rel="nofollow">under sea map of fiber connections</a> [guardian.co.uk]
How do you propose the US cut off those connections?</p></div></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lookat this.. . under sea map of fiber connections [ guardian.co.uk ] How do you propose the US cut off those connections ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lookat this...
under sea map of fiber connections [guardian.co.uk]
How do you propose the US cut off those connections?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298709</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298631</id>
	<title>I've already blocked the Idle news items.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can I block the stupid Idle videos too?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I block the stupid Idle videos too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I block the stupid Idle videos too?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300739</id>
	<title>Re:Look....</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1244716320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>except there would be some interesting network security articles</p></div><p>If it is a big enough story to be covered everywhere, the whole internet will be slashdotted. THAT is their true plan.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>except there would be some interesting network security articlesIf it is a big enough story to be covered everywhere , the whole internet will be slashdotted .
THAT is their true plan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>except there would be some interesting network security articlesIf it is a big enough story to be covered everywhere, the whole internet will be slashdotted.
THAT is their true plan.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298867</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299153</id>
	<title>Re:Look....</title>
	<author>Atrox666</author>
	<datestamp>1244753940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would China attack? They already own the US why would they break their new toy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would China attack ?
They already own the US why would they break their new toy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would China attack?
They already own the US why would they break their new toy?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298709</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298617</id>
	<title>Does America already have the World's Largest?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obama: Hey Ballmer, you mind if we borrow 90\% of the world's computers for a quick cyber war?
<br> <br>
Ballmer: Finally, the moment I've been waiting for! *Throws ceremonial war chair at wall*</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama : Hey Ballmer , you mind if we borrow 90 \ % of the world 's computers for a quick cyber war ?
Ballmer : Finally , the moment I 've been waiting for !
* Throws ceremonial war chair at wall *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama: Hey Ballmer, you mind if we borrow 90\% of the world's computers for a quick cyber war?
Ballmer: Finally, the moment I've been waiting for!
*Throws ceremonial war chair at wall*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300615</id>
	<title>You guys really know what you are talking about?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is a "Parent Control" software! It is used to block porn sites and other not-for-kids websites! It won't be installed in the new computer, well it just comes with the installation CD of the computer. And last, almost every computer sold in US has parent control software installed.</p><p>Shame on the reporter! Where are you trying to lead the readers to?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a " Parent Control " software !
It is used to block porn sites and other not-for-kids websites !
It wo n't be installed in the new computer , well it just comes with the installation CD of the computer .
And last , almost every computer sold in US has parent control software installed.Shame on the reporter !
Where are you trying to lead the readers to ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a "Parent Control" software!
It is used to block porn sites and other not-for-kids websites!
It won't be installed in the new computer, well it just comes with the installation CD of the computer.
And last, almost every computer sold in US has parent control software installed.Shame on the reporter!
Where are you trying to lead the readers to?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28305349</id>
	<title>WC3 is under DDoS by Java.</title>
	<author>Tei</author>
	<datestamp>1244799240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This remind me the daily "attack" from java to the W3C site. Theres like 160.000.000 request for the DTD, from dumb applications. In one case, a site was asking the DTD 100 times for second. Muahahaha...</p><p>Is soo bad, that the W3C has started to give 503 errors to people that ask that document.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This remind me the daily " attack " from java to the W3C site .
Theres like 160.000.000 request for the DTD , from dumb applications .
In one case , a site was asking the DTD 100 times for second .
Muahahaha...Is soo bad , that the W3C has started to give 503 errors to people that ask that document .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This remind me the daily "attack" from java to the W3C site.
Theres like 160.000.000 request for the DTD, from dumb applications.
In one case, a site was asking the DTD 100 times for second.
Muahahaha...Is soo bad, that the W3C has started to give 503 errors to people that ask that document.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28303763</id>
	<title>think global</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244735460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and here was I thinking they were just doing it to create an easy way to spy on their own people (or to create the not-so-subtle indication that they could, so you better be good for goodness sake). I'm just not thinking globally enough!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and here was I thinking they were just doing it to create an easy way to spy on their own people ( or to create the not-so-subtle indication that they could , so you better be good for goodness sake ) .
I 'm just not thinking globally enough !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and here was I thinking they were just doing it to create an easy way to spy on their own people (or to create the not-so-subtle indication that they could, so you better be good for goodness sake).
I'm just not thinking globally enough!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298621</id>
	<title>People are such suckers</title>
	<author>qortra</author>
	<datestamp>1244752140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The goal, authorities say, is to protect children from pornography</p></div><p>Of course, that morsel isn't for the Chinese people.  They could tell their own people "we're creating a botnet to terrorize you", and nothing would happen.  In fact, it's for the benefit of people in other countries.  Social conservatives everywhere will exclaim "what an excellent goal!"  Those people have simply failed to realize that governments will use whatever power they have for whatever they want, and never exclusively for its "intended purpose".  The US does this too, but they've been moving more slowly because more people fail to notice when the power shift is gradual.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The goal , authorities say , is to protect children from pornographyOf course , that morsel is n't for the Chinese people .
They could tell their own people " we 're creating a botnet to terrorize you " , and nothing would happen .
In fact , it 's for the benefit of people in other countries .
Social conservatives everywhere will exclaim " what an excellent goal !
" Those people have simply failed to realize that governments will use whatever power they have for whatever they want , and never exclusively for its " intended purpose " .
The US does this too , but they 've been moving more slowly because more people fail to notice when the power shift is gradual .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The goal, authorities say, is to protect children from pornographyOf course, that morsel isn't for the Chinese people.
They could tell their own people "we're creating a botnet to terrorize you", and nothing would happen.
In fact, it's for the benefit of people in other countries.
Social conservatives everywhere will exclaim "what an excellent goal!
"  Those people have simply failed to realize that governments will use whatever power they have for whatever they want, and never exclusively for its "intended purpose".
The US does this too, but they've been moving more slowly because more people fail to notice when the power shift is gradual.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28302971</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>squidinkcalligraphy</author>
	<datestamp>1244728320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if one of its (hypothetical) purposes is as a massive distributed computer? Y'know, for cracking encryption and such? Simulations? Doesn't really matter if it's disconnected from the rest of the planet - there's still a crapload of computer power available there...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if one of its ( hypothetical ) purposes is as a massive distributed computer ?
Y'know , for cracking encryption and such ?
Simulations ? Does n't really matter if it 's disconnected from the rest of the planet - there 's still a crapload of computer power available there.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if one of its (hypothetical) purposes is as a massive distributed computer?
Y'know, for cracking encryption and such?
Simulations? Doesn't really matter if it's disconnected from the rest of the planet - there's still a crapload of computer power available there...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298531</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28303507</id>
	<title>Re:Look....</title>
	<author>phantomcircuit</author>
	<datestamp>1244733420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The same way we usually do.  Instruct some "fishermen" to drop their "anchor" in the wrong place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The same way we usually do .
Instruct some " fishermen " to drop their " anchor " in the wrong place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same way we usually do.
Instruct some "fishermen" to drop their "anchor" in the wrong place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299087</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28303343</id>
	<title>Re:Look....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244731740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Look, in a "cyber war" you don't fight with DoS attacks, you fight by simply severing the undersea cables.</p></div><p>+3 interesting?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sheesh the mods here are getting easier to troll everyday</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , in a " cyber war " you do n't fight with DoS attacks , you fight by simply severing the undersea cables. + 3 interesting ?
/sheesh the mods here are getting easier to troll everyday</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, in a "cyber war" you don't fight with DoS attacks, you fight by simply severing the undersea cables.+3 interesting?
/sheesh the mods here are getting easier to troll everyday
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298709</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300071</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1244714100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last year exports to the USA accounted for about 24\% of Chinese exports but only about 13\% of USA imports.  USA exports accounted for about 6.5\% of Chinese imports but only about 4\% of USA exports.  I wouldn't be so sure about who is dependent on who.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last year exports to the USA accounted for about 24 \ % of Chinese exports but only about 13 \ % of USA imports .
USA exports accounted for about 6.5 \ % of Chinese imports but only about 4 \ % of USA exports .
I would n't be so sure about who is dependent on who .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last year exports to the USA accounted for about 24\% of Chinese exports but only about 13\% of USA imports.
USA exports accounted for about 6.5\% of Chinese imports but only about 4\% of USA exports.
I wouldn't be so sure about who is dependent on who.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298797</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298929</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244753160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And what this article doesn't say is that we can create the botnet ourselves!  Are you telling me their software has no exploitable vulnerabilities?  You bet your arse it does.  We can have the baddest bot and thank them for the infrastructure to do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And what this article does n't say is that we can create the botnet ourselves !
Are you telling me their software has no exploitable vulnerabilities ?
You bet your arse it does .
We can have the baddest bot and thank them for the infrastructure to do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what this article doesn't say is that we can create the botnet ourselves!
Are you telling me their software has no exploitable vulnerabilities?
You bet your arse it does.
We can have the baddest bot and thank them for the infrastructure to do it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298531</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28304401</id>
	<title>Relax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244741460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>relax, pals, these ridiculous bits won't really be used at all</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>relax , pals , these ridiculous bits wo n't really be used at all</tokentext>
<sentencetext>relax, pals, these ridiculous bits won't really be used at all</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298951</id>
	<title>A botnet that lives within one's own borders...</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1244753280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...would seem to have some serious limitations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...would seem to have some serious limitations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...would seem to have some serious limitations.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300943</id>
	<title>Re:Is this a problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244717160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I being cynical, or could this all be part of China's plan?</p><p>Rather than using a firewall to block 'objectional' websites (which can be bypassed), use this botnet to attack them, then they'll be forced to block Chinese IPs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I being cynical , or could this all be part of China 's plan ? Rather than using a firewall to block 'objectional ' websites ( which can be bypassed ) , use this botnet to attack them , then they 'll be forced to block Chinese IPs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I being cynical, or could this all be part of China's plan?Rather than using a firewall to block 'objectional' websites (which can be bypassed), use this botnet to attack them, then they'll be forced to block Chinese IPs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298557</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299713</id>
	<title>Re:while of course this is fud</title>
	<author>Drake42</author>
	<datestamp>1244712840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TRUST NO ONE!</p><p>DO NOT TRUST THE CHINESE!  (But eat their food, wear their clothes, use their electronics)<br>DO NOT TRUST THE USA! (But obey their laws, enjoy their movies, work for their money)<br>DO NOT TRUST THE IRANIANS (But ignore their democratic progress and ignore their people's work for peace)</p><p>Here's the real answer:<br>DO NOT TRUST YOURSELF, because you're an idiot.</p><p>Distrust is for the weak.  Optimistic skepticism and honest effort are for the strong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TRUST NO ONE ! DO NOT TRUST THE CHINESE !
( But eat their food , wear their clothes , use their electronics ) DO NOT TRUST THE USA !
( But obey their laws , enjoy their movies , work for their money ) DO NOT TRUST THE IRANIANS ( But ignore their democratic progress and ignore their people 's work for peace ) Here 's the real answer : DO NOT TRUST YOURSELF , because you 're an idiot.Distrust is for the weak .
Optimistic skepticism and honest effort are for the strong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TRUST NO ONE!DO NOT TRUST THE CHINESE!
(But eat their food, wear their clothes, use their electronics)DO NOT TRUST THE USA!
(But obey their laws, enjoy their movies, work for their money)DO NOT TRUST THE IRANIANS (But ignore their democratic progress and ignore their people's work for peace)Here's the real answer:DO NOT TRUST YOURSELF, because you're an idiot.Distrust is for the weak.
Optimistic skepticism and honest effort are for the strong.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298901</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298719</id>
	<title>Don't usually get dupes the same day</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did I miss something or isn't this essentially the same story as this:<a href="http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/06/11/1347219/Chinese-Govt-Spyware-Puts-Computers-At-Risk?art\_pos=9" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/06/11/1347219/Chinese-Govt-Spyware-Puts-Computers-At-Risk?art\_pos=9</a> [slashdot.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did I miss something or is n't this essentially the same story as this : http : //it.slashdot.org/story/09/06/11/1347219/Chinese-Govt-Spyware-Puts-Computers-At-Risk ? art \ _pos = 9 [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did I miss something or isn't this essentially the same story as this:http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/06/11/1347219/Chinese-Govt-Spyware-Puts-Computers-At-Risk?art\_pos=9 [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28301743</id>
	<title>Re:Look....</title>
	<author>g-san</author>
	<datestamp>1244720580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hopefully they haven't discovered spoofing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully they have n't discovered spoofing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully they haven't discovered spoofing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298867</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28304213</id>
	<title>Re:while of course this is fud</title>
	<author>obscuro</author>
	<datestamp>1244739360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't have to distrust any of these nations to accept the notion that they are acting in the best interest of their country AS THEIR LEADERS VIEW THAT INTEREST. Any dictatorship is likely to do whatever it takes to perpetuate its own power. Sometimes providing economic and social benefits to its people is in the dictatorships best interest.... Sometimes not. Sometimes dealing in a perfectly strait-forward way with other players is in the dictator's best interest.... sometimes not.</p><p>The fact that a state acts in its own best interest and is willing to spy and lie doesn't make it automatically an enemy. It makes it a STATE. Its in the nature of international power to build and deploy weapons, spy on other players and lie when necessary.</p><p>The mistake the US has made continually about China is to presume that the scope of China's self interest is identical to the US scope of self interest, namely, free market economic prosperity and growth. I've actually talked to financiers who think that they have the option of "pulling their capital" if China acts outside of the realm of what we consider reasonable. Like their ownership is somehow independent of the willingness of China to enforce it. What are they going to do. Go into China and take back a bunch of factory equipment?!</p><p>China can close its doors to the world again tomorrow and have tons of raw materials, inventories and productive capacity to keep their society pretty damn comfortable for the next 50 years.</p><p>Bottom line. Is their mandated nanny software a potential weapon? Yes. Can we defend against it by cutting off contact? Yes. Can a day come when its in China's best interest to beat up the US or other nations' internet knowing that the attack can't last forever? Yes.</p><p>Surprise, surprise. China is an independent, autonomous state with weapons and secrets that we need to watch carefully. I would hope that the NSA et al look at all international traffic with an eye toward potential threats. Its part of their job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't have to distrust any of these nations to accept the notion that they are acting in the best interest of their country AS THEIR LEADERS VIEW THAT INTEREST .
Any dictatorship is likely to do whatever it takes to perpetuate its own power .
Sometimes providing economic and social benefits to its people is in the dictatorships best interest.... Sometimes not .
Sometimes dealing in a perfectly strait-forward way with other players is in the dictator 's best interest.... sometimes not.The fact that a state acts in its own best interest and is willing to spy and lie does n't make it automatically an enemy .
It makes it a STATE .
Its in the nature of international power to build and deploy weapons , spy on other players and lie when necessary.The mistake the US has made continually about China is to presume that the scope of China 's self interest is identical to the US scope of self interest , namely , free market economic prosperity and growth .
I 've actually talked to financiers who think that they have the option of " pulling their capital " if China acts outside of the realm of what we consider reasonable .
Like their ownership is somehow independent of the willingness of China to enforce it .
What are they going to do .
Go into China and take back a bunch of factory equipment ?
! China can close its doors to the world again tomorrow and have tons of raw materials , inventories and productive capacity to keep their society pretty damn comfortable for the next 50 years.Bottom line .
Is their mandated nanny software a potential weapon ?
Yes. Can we defend against it by cutting off contact ?
Yes. Can a day come when its in China 's best interest to beat up the US or other nations ' internet knowing that the attack ca n't last forever ?
Yes.Surprise , surprise .
China is an independent , autonomous state with weapons and secrets that we need to watch carefully .
I would hope that the NSA et al look at all international traffic with an eye toward potential threats .
Its part of their job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't have to distrust any of these nations to accept the notion that they are acting in the best interest of their country AS THEIR LEADERS VIEW THAT INTEREST.
Any dictatorship is likely to do whatever it takes to perpetuate its own power.
Sometimes providing economic and social benefits to its people is in the dictatorships best interest.... Sometimes not.
Sometimes dealing in a perfectly strait-forward way with other players is in the dictator's best interest.... sometimes not.The fact that a state acts in its own best interest and is willing to spy and lie doesn't make it automatically an enemy.
It makes it a STATE.
Its in the nature of international power to build and deploy weapons, spy on other players and lie when necessary.The mistake the US has made continually about China is to presume that the scope of China's self interest is identical to the US scope of self interest, namely, free market economic prosperity and growth.
I've actually talked to financiers who think that they have the option of "pulling their capital" if China acts outside of the realm of what we consider reasonable.
Like their ownership is somehow independent of the willingness of China to enforce it.
What are they going to do.
Go into China and take back a bunch of factory equipment?
!China can close its doors to the world again tomorrow and have tons of raw materials, inventories and productive capacity to keep their society pretty damn comfortable for the next 50 years.Bottom line.
Is their mandated nanny software a potential weapon?
Yes. Can we defend against it by cutting off contact?
Yes. Can a day come when its in China's best interest to beat up the US or other nations' internet knowing that the attack can't last forever?
Yes.Surprise, surprise.
China is an independent, autonomous state with weapons and secrets that we need to watch carefully.
I would hope that the NSA et al look at all international traffic with an eye toward potential threats.
Its part of their job.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298901</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28304195</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>PiSkyHi</author>
	<datestamp>1244739240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>China owns a lot of your cash.</htmltext>
<tokenext>China owns a lot of your cash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China owns a lot of your cash.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300071</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299227</id>
	<title>mother of god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244711040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can you say DDoS?  Obviously the top priority of the military in all other nations of the world should be learning how to hijack that beast.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you say DDoS ?
Obviously the top priority of the military in all other nations of the world should be learning how to hijack that beast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you say DDoS?
Obviously the top priority of the military in all other nations of the world should be learning how to hijack that beast.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298667</id>
	<title>The "least of our worries" ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me get this straight.</p><p>China further on intruding on its citizens who are already exploited and given no voice is a valid concern -- until it causes the rest of the world the slightest discomfort?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me get this straight.China further on intruding on its citizens who are already exploited and given no voice is a valid concern -- until it causes the rest of the world the slightest discomfort ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me get this straight.China further on intruding on its citizens who are already exploited and given no voice is a valid concern -- until it causes the rest of the world the slightest discomfort?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28303515</id>
	<title>Nope, it's this simple:</title>
	<author>mynickslongerthanurs</author>
	<datestamp>1244733540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>1, Get 'elected' as high government official at the Industrial and Information Department. <br>
2, Start your own company (using someone else's name of course) selling filter software (with OpenCV (BSD licensed) binary lib without any proper credit). <br>
3, Win the contract in the government &lt;sarcasm&gt;public bidding&lt;/sarcasm&gt;.<br>
4, Enjoy mandatory installation across the country.<br>
5, The one-year free trial expires.<br>
6, ???<br>
7, PROFIT!</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 , Get 'elected ' as high government official at the Industrial and Information Department .
2 , Start your own company ( using someone else 's name of course ) selling filter software ( with OpenCV ( BSD licensed ) binary lib without any proper credit ) .
3 , Win the contract in the government public bidding .
4 , Enjoy mandatory installation across the country .
5 , The one-year free trial expires .
6 , ? ? ?
7 , PROFIT !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1, Get 'elected' as high government official at the Industrial and Information Department.
2, Start your own company (using someone else's name of course) selling filter software (with OpenCV (BSD licensed) binary lib without any proper credit).
3, Win the contract in the government public bidding.
4, Enjoy mandatory installation across the country.
5, The one-year free trial expires.
6, ???
7, PROFIT!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298621</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28304139</id>
	<title>Re:Don't panic! Yes, don't &amp; here is why... ap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244738700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><div class="quote"><p><b>"Don't panic, we will be ok! I have Windows Firewall!!!"</b> - by C\_Kode (102755)<br>on Thursday June 11, @04:23PM (#28299531) Homepage</p></div><p>Yes, you do, but you also have this:</p><p>----</p><p><b>HOW TO SECURE Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 &amp; even VISTA, + make it "fun-to-do", via CIS Tool Guidance (&amp;, beyond):</b></p><p><a href="http://www.tcmagazine.com/forums/index.php?s=da9e00ecfeb1ec4065b3c748e4ee4e02&amp;showtopic=2662" title="tcmagazine.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tcmagazine.com/forums/index.php?s=da9e00ecfeb1ec4065b3c748e4ee4e02&amp;showtopic=2662</a> [tcmagazine.com]</p><p>----</p><p>And, it works...</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; Layered security, above &amp; beyond the std. practices of a software firewall, antivirus, &amp;/or antispyware programs resident + how to make it as easy as it gets (due to the CIS Tool making it so) to have a secured Windows NT-based OS of modern variety, step-by-step... apk</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Do n't panic , we will be ok !
I have Windows Firewall ! ! !
" - by C \ _Kode ( 102755 ) on Thursday June 11 , @ 04 : 23PM ( # 28299531 ) HomepageYes , you do , but you also have this : ----HOW TO SECURE Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 &amp; even VISTA , + make it " fun-to-do " , via CIS Tool Guidance ( &amp; , beyond ) : http : //www.tcmagazine.com/forums/index.php ? s = da9e00ecfeb1ec4065b3c748e4ee4e02&amp;showtopic = 2662 [ tcmagazine.com ] ----And , it works...APKP.S. = &gt; Layered security , above &amp; beyond the std .
practices of a software firewall , antivirus , &amp;/or antispyware programs resident + how to make it as easy as it gets ( due to the CIS Tool making it so ) to have a secured Windows NT-based OS of modern variety , step-by-step... apk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Don't panic, we will be ok!
I have Windows Firewall!!!
" - by C\_Kode (102755)on Thursday June 11, @04:23PM (#28299531) HomepageYes, you do, but you also have this:----HOW TO SECURE Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 &amp; even VISTA, + make it "fun-to-do", via CIS Tool Guidance (&amp;, beyond):http://www.tcmagazine.com/forums/index.php?s=da9e00ecfeb1ec4065b3c748e4ee4e02&amp;showtopic=2662 [tcmagazine.com]----And, it works...APKP.S.=&gt; Layered security, above &amp; beyond the std.
practices of a software firewall, antivirus, &amp;/or antispyware programs resident + how to make it as easy as it gets (due to the CIS Tool making it so) to have a secured Windows NT-based OS of modern variety, step-by-step... apk
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299531</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28301363</id>
	<title>Uh, unless it is a highly distributed botnet...</title>
	<author>divisionbyzero</author>
	<datestamp>1244718780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it's useless.  China in general is poorly connected to the rest of the world (chokepoints are handy for censorship), and if the botnet is centered in China, then the rest of the world could easily blackhole China.  I call bullshit, alarmist rhetoric.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's useless .
China in general is poorly connected to the rest of the world ( chokepoints are handy for censorship ) , and if the botnet is centered in China , then the rest of the world could easily blackhole China .
I call bullshit , alarmist rhetoric .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's useless.
China in general is poorly connected to the rest of the world (chokepoints are handy for censorship), and if the botnet is centered in China, then the rest of the world could easily blackhole China.
I call bullshit, alarmist rhetoric.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299203</id>
	<title>Why worry?</title>
	<author>sehlat</author>
	<datestamp>1244710920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They still have to get their updates from Microsoft. [long, slow, evil grin]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They still have to get their updates from Microsoft .
[ long , slow , evil grin ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They still have to get their updates from Microsoft.
[long, slow, evil grin]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298615</id>
	<title>And Windows?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting, but this means that Microsoft may create a bigger botnet army?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting , but this means that Microsoft may create a bigger botnet army ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting, but this means that Microsoft may create a bigger botnet army?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298901</id>
	<title>while of course this is fud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244753100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>trusting the chinese government at their word is equally foolish. there are no deep nefarious plots and twisty hidden meanings in this piece of censorware most probably. but at the same time, the chinese government is certainly no paragon of virtue that we should trust is motivated by exactly what they say</p><p>not that western nations are any more trustworthy. its just that there is this idiotic notion i often encounter that says "western critics are complaining the chinese have hidden purposes, so since i don't trust western mouthpieces, i'll believe the chinese at their word that they are completely virtuous and innocent in their motivations"</p><p>you know, like iran is enriching uranium for peaceful purposes. "that's what they said, that's what i believe. because i won't be a naive idiot for the west. i choose to be a naive idiot for the west's enemies"</p><p>hey, here's a radical idea: how about you trust no one and be a naive idiot for no one? that is: distrust the west, distrust china, and distrust iran, all at the same time</p><p>thunderclap</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>trusting the chinese government at their word is equally foolish .
there are no deep nefarious plots and twisty hidden meanings in this piece of censorware most probably .
but at the same time , the chinese government is certainly no paragon of virtue that we should trust is motivated by exactly what they saynot that western nations are any more trustworthy .
its just that there is this idiotic notion i often encounter that says " western critics are complaining the chinese have hidden purposes , so since i do n't trust western mouthpieces , i 'll believe the chinese at their word that they are completely virtuous and innocent in their motivations " you know , like iran is enriching uranium for peaceful purposes .
" that 's what they said , that 's what i believe .
because i wo n't be a naive idiot for the west .
i choose to be a naive idiot for the west 's enemies " hey , here 's a radical idea : how about you trust no one and be a naive idiot for no one ?
that is : distrust the west , distrust china , and distrust iran , all at the same timethunderclap</tokentext>
<sentencetext>trusting the chinese government at their word is equally foolish.
there are no deep nefarious plots and twisty hidden meanings in this piece of censorware most probably.
but at the same time, the chinese government is certainly no paragon of virtue that we should trust is motivated by exactly what they saynot that western nations are any more trustworthy.
its just that there is this idiotic notion i often encounter that says "western critics are complaining the chinese have hidden purposes, so since i don't trust western mouthpieces, i'll believe the chinese at their word that they are completely virtuous and innocent in their motivations"you know, like iran is enriching uranium for peaceful purposes.
"that's what they said, that's what i believe.
because i won't be a naive idiot for the west.
i choose to be a naive idiot for the west's enemies"hey, here's a radical idea: how about you trust no one and be a naive idiot for no one?
that is: distrust the west, distrust china, and distrust iran, all at the same timethunderclap</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300913</id>
	<title>More info?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244717040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I seem to remember reading an article about this that said that, while the Chinese government was requiring it on new computers, it was an independent company(*) that created the software and maintains the block lists / etc. It also said that there would be a password that parents could use to be able to browse without the software blocking them and to uninstall the software if they chose to.<br>
&nbsp; <br>* of course, this "independent company" was most likely created, funded and run by the Chinese government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I seem to remember reading an article about this that said that , while the Chinese government was requiring it on new computers , it was an independent company ( * ) that created the software and maintains the block lists / etc .
It also said that there would be a password that parents could use to be able to browse without the software blocking them and to uninstall the software if they chose to .
  * of course , this " independent company " was most likely created , funded and run by the Chinese government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I seem to remember reading an article about this that said that, while the Chinese government was requiring it on new computers, it was an independent company(*) that created the software and maintains the block lists / etc.
It also said that there would be a password that parents could use to be able to browse without the software blocking them and to uninstall the software if they chose to.
  * of course, this "independent company" was most likely created, funded and run by the Chinese government.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298825</id>
	<title>A China based botnet army only threatens China</title>
	<author>kawabago</author>
	<datestamp>1244752920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>All we have to do is filter them out at our end of the intercontinental cables and the army can't get in here. The same applies to everyone else so a Chinese botnet army only threatens China.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All we have to do is filter them out at our end of the intercontinental cables and the army ca n't get in here .
The same applies to everyone else so a Chinese botnet army only threatens China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All we have to do is filter them out at our end of the intercontinental cables and the army can't get in here.
The same applies to everyone else so a Chinese botnet army only threatens China.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28306925</id>
	<title>Re:Look....</title>
	<author>intheshelter</author>
	<datestamp>1244815860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ever hear of scissors?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever hear of scissors ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever hear of scissors?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299087</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300057</id>
	<title>the truth is</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1244714100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that trust is a balance. you can be too distrustful, you can be too trusting, and its hard to get the right mix</p><p>and so i protest that you extrapolated too much from my words to make your point. however i agree with your point and its an important one, so i'm not going to protest too much</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that trust is a balance .
you can be too distrustful , you can be too trusting , and its hard to get the right mixand so i protest that you extrapolated too much from my words to make your point .
however i agree with your point and its an important one , so i 'm not going to protest too much</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that trust is a balance.
you can be too distrustful, you can be too trusting, and its hard to get the right mixand so i protest that you extrapolated too much from my words to make your point.
however i agree with your point and its an important one, so i'm not going to protest too much</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299713</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298545</id>
	<title>Chinese People all look the Same</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244751900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know it may look like China is creating the world's largest bot-net, but that is just an optical illusion. Chinese people just all look and behave the same.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it may look like China is creating the world 's largest bot-net , but that is just an optical illusion .
Chinese people just all look and behave the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it may look like China is creating the world's largest bot-net, but that is just an optical illusion.
Chinese people just all look and behave the same.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299529</id>
	<title>Re:Does America already have the World's Largest?</title>
	<author>Howitzer86</author>
	<datestamp>1244712180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In all seriousness, that's not a bad idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In all seriousness , that 's not a bad idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In all seriousness, that's not a bad idea.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298617</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28301089</id>
	<title>whats awesome is how</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1244717700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you can see that world governments aren't composed of mostly well meaning but bumbling fools with bad ideas, but alien overlords hellbent on sneakily taking away your rights just for the hell of it</p><p>equally awesome is how you alone see through the charade, while everyone else is fooled</p><p>zzz</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you can see that world governments are n't composed of mostly well meaning but bumbling fools with bad ideas , but alien overlords hellbent on sneakily taking away your rights just for the hell of itequally awesome is how you alone see through the charade , while everyone else is fooledzzz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you can see that world governments aren't composed of mostly well meaning but bumbling fools with bad ideas, but alien overlords hellbent on sneakily taking away your rights just for the hell of itequally awesome is how you alone see through the charade, while everyone else is fooledzzz</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298621</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299637</id>
	<title>Re:Is this a problem?</title>
	<author>Tony Hoyle</author>
	<datestamp>1244712540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>How hard is it to block all traffic based on the country of origin</i></p><p>A quick look at the spam trap shows more being relayed by bots in the US than China.  Shall we start there?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How hard is it to block all traffic based on the country of originA quick look at the spam trap shows more being relayed by bots in the US than China .
Shall we start there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How hard is it to block all traffic based on the country of originA quick look at the spam trap shows more being relayed by bots in the US than China.
Shall we start there?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298557</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299281</id>
	<title>This is new.. how?</title>
	<author>XiaoMing</author>
	<datestamp>1244711280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone remember that trigger built into windows 98 that showed a message informing you your computer was being commandeered for the government?</p><p>China is obviously in the dark ages, using additional software for potential commandeering when we just have it built into ours!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone remember that trigger built into windows 98 that showed a message informing you your computer was being commandeered for the government ? China is obviously in the dark ages , using additional software for potential commandeering when we just have it built into ours !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone remember that trigger built into windows 98 that showed a message informing you your computer was being commandeered for the government?China is obviously in the dark ages, using additional software for potential commandeering when we just have it built into ours!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28305487</id>
	<title>But...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1244801340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...how are they going to put it on every computer on every backwater town home, <em>and</em> check if it works?</p><p>I mean, I bet there is already a tool out there, to put the government software in a sandbox/VM/honeypot, with minimal resources assigned, to circumvent this.<br>(It would be just like a Matrix for that thing. Muhahahaaa!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...how are they going to put it on every computer on every backwater town home , and check if it works ? I mean , I bet there is already a tool out there , to put the government software in a sandbox/VM/honeypot , with minimal resources assigned , to circumvent this .
( It would be just like a Matrix for that thing .
Muhahahaaa ! )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...how are they going to put it on every computer on every backwater town home, and check if it works?I mean, I bet there is already a tool out there, to put the government software in a sandbox/VM/honeypot, with minimal resources assigned, to circumvent this.
(It would be just like a Matrix for that thing.
Muhahahaaa!)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299659</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>mbone</author>
	<datestamp>1244712660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean the ones that go through Japan ? Or the one that goes through Russia ? Yeah, that will go over well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean the ones that go through Japan ?
Or the one that goes through Russia ?
Yeah , that will go over well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean the ones that go through Japan ?
Or the one that goes through Russia ?
Yeah, that will go over well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298531</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28301671</id>
	<title>Did Japan already do this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244720160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This reminds me of the 60's when there were actually people who believed that all of those little Japanese cars were programmed to fall apart when a signal came from Tokyo. We'd be stuck with no transportation and Japan would finally win the war.</p><p>I'm not saying this couldn't be done with computer software today. But obviously paranoia isn't limited by technology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of the 60 's when there were actually people who believed that all of those little Japanese cars were programmed to fall apart when a signal came from Tokyo .
We 'd be stuck with no transportation and Japan would finally win the war.I 'm not saying this could n't be done with computer software today .
But obviously paranoia is n't limited by technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of the 60's when there were actually people who believed that all of those little Japanese cars were programmed to fall apart when a signal came from Tokyo.
We'd be stuck with no transportation and Japan would finally win the war.I'm not saying this couldn't be done with computer software today.
But obviously paranoia isn't limited by technology.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298885</id>
	<title>Re:Is this a problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244753040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is this troll?  Did this guy beat a mod in an earlier slashdot debate?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this troll ?
Did this guy beat a mod in an earlier slashdot debate ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this troll?
Did this guy beat a mod in an earlier slashdot debate?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298557</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28305513</id>
	<title>Re:That would be like...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1244801700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't work, because it would be nearly impossible for the lasers to get into perfect harmony. Which would mean they would randomly cancel and amplify each other, depending on the phase, resulting in a pretty weak ray.</p><p>Welcome to Slashdot.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't work , because it would be nearly impossible for the lasers to get into perfect harmony .
Which would mean they would randomly cancel and amplify each other , depending on the phase , resulting in a pretty weak ray.Welcome to Slashdot .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't work, because it would be nearly impossible for the lasers to get into perfect harmony.
Which would mean they would randomly cancel and amplify each other, depending on the phase, resulting in a pretty weak ray.Welcome to Slashdot.
;)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298619</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28312525</id>
	<title>Re:while of course this is fud</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1244838120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This sounds pretty stupid to me. Especially the idea that "ignoring" Iranian democracy means I am somehow "trusting" Iran. Sure, you need to extend a small degree of trust to someone, if you eat their food or accept their money. But trust is not a bit flag. I can chose to trust enough to eat someone's food without having to give them my wealth or personal information. And as far as Iran goes, there's absolutely no interaction between me and Iran, hence, absolutely no reason to to go through the effort to trust them or for them to trust me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds pretty stupid to me .
Especially the idea that " ignoring " Iranian democracy means I am somehow " trusting " Iran .
Sure , you need to extend a small degree of trust to someone , if you eat their food or accept their money .
But trust is not a bit flag .
I can chose to trust enough to eat someone 's food without having to give them my wealth or personal information .
And as far as Iran goes , there 's absolutely no interaction between me and Iran , hence , absolutely no reason to to go through the effort to trust them or for them to trust me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds pretty stupid to me.
Especially the idea that "ignoring" Iranian democracy means I am somehow "trusting" Iran.
Sure, you need to extend a small degree of trust to someone, if you eat their food or accept their money.
But trust is not a bit flag.
I can chose to trust enough to eat someone's food without having to give them my wealth or personal information.
And as far as Iran goes, there's absolutely no interaction between me and Iran, hence, absolutely no reason to to go through the effort to trust them or for them to trust me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299713</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299841</id>
	<title>Re:while of course this is fud</title>
	<author>DMUTPeregrine</author>
	<datestamp>1244713260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good advice. I'll trust no one. I don't trust you. Horrible advice. I'll trust everyone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good advice .
I 'll trust no one .
I do n't trust you .
Horrible advice .
I 'll trust everyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good advice.
I'll trust no one.
I don't trust you.
Horrible advice.
I'll trust everyone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298901</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28303513</id>
	<title>Re:People are such suckers</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1244733480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Social conservatives everywhere will exclaim "what an excellent goal!"</p></div><p>Socially conservative != Machiavellian sort of ends-justifies-means. I think I'm "socially conservative," but I'm not stupid enough to think that a good goal = good actions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Social conservatives everywhere will exclaim " what an excellent goal !
" Socially conservative ! = Machiavellian sort of ends-justifies-means .
I think I 'm " socially conservative , " but I 'm not stupid enough to think that a good goal = good actions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Social conservatives everywhere will exclaim "what an excellent goal!
"Socially conservative != Machiavellian sort of ends-justifies-means.
I think I'm "socially conservative," but I'm not stupid enough to think that a good goal = good actions.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298621</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298641</id>
	<title>All your computer are belong to US!!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>All your computer are belong to US!!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>All your computer are belong to US ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All your computer are belong to US!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299855</id>
	<title>The connection is to slow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244713320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like the idea but right now Skype to China is barely usable.  I wouldn't be worried until the pipe to the US is a lot bigger.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like the idea but right now Skype to China is barely usable .
I would n't be worried until the pipe to the US is a lot bigger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like the idea but right now Skype to China is barely usable.
I wouldn't be worried until the pipe to the US is a lot bigger.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299215</id>
	<title>all chineese botnet?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244710980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Assuming that this is true - all the bots would be contained inside China</p><p>If they unleashed the botnet on something outside China</p><p>1) Would it not just crush the internal network(s) inside China?<br>2) Would it not just crush the connections to the rest of the world?<br>3) Would it not just crush the massive control and filter systems?<br>4) Would it not just super easy to identify and quarantine?</p><p>What am I missing here?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Assuming that this is true - all the bots would be contained inside ChinaIf they unleashed the botnet on something outside China1 ) Would it not just crush the internal network ( s ) inside China ? 2 ) Would it not just crush the connections to the rest of the world ? 3 ) Would it not just crush the massive control and filter systems ? 4 ) Would it not just super easy to identify and quarantine ? What am I missing here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assuming that this is true - all the bots would be contained inside ChinaIf they unleashed the botnet on something outside China1) Would it not just crush the internal network(s) inside China?2) Would it not just crush the connections to the rest of the world?3) Would it not just crush the massive control and filter systems?4) Would it not just super easy to identify and quarantine?What am I missing here?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298823</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>TooMuchToDo</author>
	<datestamp>1244752860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This. Or firewall them off at your network's edge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This .
Or firewall them off at your network 's edge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This.
Or firewall them off at your network's edge.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298531</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298567</id>
	<title>2nd.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244751900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows is the #1</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows is the # 1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows is the #1</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298749</id>
	<title>Isn't that a bit dangerous for China?</title>
	<author>ChrisMounce</author>
	<datestamp>1244752620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean, if this is true, what if the Russians found a way to activate the botnet first?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , if this is true , what if the Russians found a way to activate the botnet first ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, if this is true, what if the Russians found a way to activate the botnet first?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298557</id>
	<title>Is this a problem?</title>
	<author>ArcherB</author>
	<datestamp>1244751900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How hard is it to block all traffic based on the country of origin, China in this case?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How hard is it to block all traffic based on the country of origin , China in this case ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How hard is it to block all traffic based on the country of origin, China in this case?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28302711</id>
	<title>Oblig</title>
	<author>Voyager529</author>
	<datestamp>1244726400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*sigh* I thought it was the most well known classic blunder not to start a LAN war in Asia!</p><p>*DUCKS*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* sigh * I thought it was the most well known classic blunder not to start a LAN war in Asia !
* DUCKS *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*sigh* I thought it was the most well known classic blunder not to start a LAN war in Asia!
*DUCKS*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299747</id>
	<title>Not too far-fetched to me</title>
	<author>kheldan</author>
	<datestamp>1244712960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll believe this. I don't really believe the Chinese government gives a rat's ass about their youth beyond them being more slave labor in a country that doesn't value the lives of their citizens. I also wouldn't put it past them to make their net-nanny software <i>appear</i> to be uninstallable, but that does leave behind a 'bot for them to control. Cut the cables now and isolate them, it seems to be what they want anyways -- to be isolated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll believe this .
I do n't really believe the Chinese government gives a rat 's ass about their youth beyond them being more slave labor in a country that does n't value the lives of their citizens .
I also would n't put it past them to make their net-nanny software appear to be uninstallable , but that does leave behind a 'bot for them to control .
Cut the cables now and isolate them , it seems to be what they want anyways -- to be isolated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll believe this.
I don't really believe the Chinese government gives a rat's ass about their youth beyond them being more slave labor in a country that doesn't value the lives of their citizens.
I also wouldn't put it past them to make their net-nanny software appear to be uninstallable, but that does leave behind a 'bot for them to control.
Cut the cables now and isolate them, it seems to be what they want anyways -- to be isolated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299023</id>
	<title>Re:That would be like...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244753460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I modded you off topic. As the post above me says... This is Slashdot. No thinking goes on here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I modded you off topic .
As the post above me says... This is Slashdot .
No thinking goes on here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I modded you off topic.
As the post above me says... This is Slashdot.
No thinking goes on here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298619</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28311499</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244834460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I ran a small ISP NOC a few years ago, and our standard approach to dealing with DDOS attacks was to shut down the peering with China Telecom. Crude, but it worked every time. Posting anon 'cause it was a lazy, if effective, solution, and I'm sure I was breaking out peering</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ran a small ISP NOC a few years ago , and our standard approach to dealing with DDOS attacks was to shut down the peering with China Telecom .
Crude , but it worked every time .
Posting anon 'cause it was a lazy , if effective , solution , and I 'm sure I was breaking out peering</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ran a small ISP NOC a few years ago, and our standard approach to dealing with DDOS attacks was to shut down the peering with China Telecom.
Crude, but it worked every time.
Posting anon 'cause it was a lazy, if effective, solution, and I'm sure I was breaking out peering</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298531</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300097</id>
	<title>Re:while of course this is fud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>trusting the chinese government at their word is equally foolish. there are no deep nefarious plots and twisty hidden meanings in this piece of censorware most probably. but at the same time, the chinese government is certainly no paragon of virtue that we should trust is motivated by exactly what they say</p><p>not that western nations are any more trustworthy. its just that there is this idiotic notion i often encounter that says "western critics are complaining the chinese have hidden purposes, so since i don't trust western mouthpieces, i'll believe the chinese at their word that they are completely virtuous and innocent in their motivations"</p><p>you know, like iran is enriching uranium for peaceful purposes. "that's what they said, that's what i believe. because i won't be a naive idiot for the west. i choose to be a naive idiot for the west's enemies"</p><p>hey, here's a radical idea: how about you trust no one and be a naive idiot for no one? that is: distrust the west, distrust china, and distrust iran, all at the same time</p><p>thunderclap</p></div><p>Dude, haven't you been making this movie for like.... 5 years now?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>trusting the chinese government at their word is equally foolish .
there are no deep nefarious plots and twisty hidden meanings in this piece of censorware most probably .
but at the same time , the chinese government is certainly no paragon of virtue that we should trust is motivated by exactly what they saynot that western nations are any more trustworthy .
its just that there is this idiotic notion i often encounter that says " western critics are complaining the chinese have hidden purposes , so since i do n't trust western mouthpieces , i 'll believe the chinese at their word that they are completely virtuous and innocent in their motivations " you know , like iran is enriching uranium for peaceful purposes .
" that 's what they said , that 's what i believe .
because i wo n't be a naive idiot for the west .
i choose to be a naive idiot for the west 's enemies " hey , here 's a radical idea : how about you trust no one and be a naive idiot for no one ?
that is : distrust the west , distrust china , and distrust iran , all at the same timethunderclapDude , have n't you been making this movie for like.... 5 years now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>trusting the chinese government at their word is equally foolish.
there are no deep nefarious plots and twisty hidden meanings in this piece of censorware most probably.
but at the same time, the chinese government is certainly no paragon of virtue that we should trust is motivated by exactly what they saynot that western nations are any more trustworthy.
its just that there is this idiotic notion i often encounter that says "western critics are complaining the chinese have hidden purposes, so since i don't trust western mouthpieces, i'll believe the chinese at their word that they are completely virtuous and innocent in their motivations"you know, like iran is enriching uranium for peaceful purposes.
"that's what they said, that's what i believe.
because i won't be a naive idiot for the west.
i choose to be a naive idiot for the west's enemies"hey, here's a radical idea: how about you trust no one and be a naive idiot for no one?
that is: distrust the west, distrust china, and distrust iran, all at the same timethunderclapDude, haven't you been making this movie for like.... 5 years now?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298901</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298627</id>
	<title>Solution:</title>
	<author>Random2</author>
	<datestamp>1244752140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Disconnect when they try to attack.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Disconnect when they try to attack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disconnect when they try to attack.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298845</id>
	<title>Not smart</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1244752920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Massive botnets have already been infiltrated and subverted. So those computers meant to ban pornography, and maybe anti-government web sites could any day be used to send anti-government propaganda with maybe simple commands... not sure how comfortable are chinese with double-edge swords, but this could be a good example.<br><br>Anyway, i would be more worried about the US government botnet construction kit, a.k.a. microsoft windows, that seems to be putting that power to individuals, groups and foreign governments.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Massive botnets have already been infiltrated and subverted .
So those computers meant to ban pornography , and maybe anti-government web sites could any day be used to send anti-government propaganda with maybe simple commands... not sure how comfortable are chinese with double-edge swords , but this could be a good example.Anyway , i would be more worried about the US government botnet construction kit , a.k.a .
microsoft windows , that seems to be putting that power to individuals , groups and foreign governments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Massive botnets have already been infiltrated and subverted.
So those computers meant to ban pornography, and maybe anti-government web sites could any day be used to send anti-government propaganda with maybe simple commands... not sure how comfortable are chinese with double-edge swords, but this could be a good example.Anyway, i would be more worried about the US government botnet construction kit, a.k.a.
microsoft windows, that seems to be putting that power to individuals, groups and foreign governments.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28301413</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>Eccles</author>
	<datestamp>1244719020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Chinese law requires the software be provided (even on a CD, not installed), not that it has to be installed on every PC.  So you just buy a PC without it installed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chinese law requires the software be provided ( even on a CD , not installed ) , not that it has to be installed on every PC .
So you just buy a PC without it installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chinese law requires the software be provided (even on a CD, not installed), not that it has to be installed on every PC.
So you just buy a PC without it installed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299677</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300077</id>
	<title>Distributingly brilliant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>qed</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>qed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>qed</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299213</id>
	<title>ASTEROID DEFENSE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244710980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could we use this system for zapping asteroids?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could we use this system for zapping asteroids ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could we use this system for zapping asteroids?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298619</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298821</id>
	<title>Easily identifiable source = easy blocked traffic</title>
	<author>nuckfuts</author>
	<datestamp>1244752860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What makes a botnet potentially devastating is that it can create traffic that's indistinguishable from legitimate traffic. When a large enough number of computers from random locations request a page from your webserver, how do you sort the bad requests from the good? It's the slashdot effect on steroids.</p><p>If all the traffic was originating from within a particular country, it would be straightfoward to drop that traffic and let other traffic through.</p><p>It's interesting to note that in the early days, it wasn't possible to determine geographic location based on IP address. Address blocks were originally assigned rather haphazardly. As the number of networks grew, routers had to store larger and larger routing tables. Eventually this led to a push to reorganize address block allocations in a more hierarchical fashion, which ultimately made geolocation possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What makes a botnet potentially devastating is that it can create traffic that 's indistinguishable from legitimate traffic .
When a large enough number of computers from random locations request a page from your webserver , how do you sort the bad requests from the good ?
It 's the slashdot effect on steroids.If all the traffic was originating from within a particular country , it would be straightfoward to drop that traffic and let other traffic through.It 's interesting to note that in the early days , it was n't possible to determine geographic location based on IP address .
Address blocks were originally assigned rather haphazardly .
As the number of networks grew , routers had to store larger and larger routing tables .
Eventually this led to a push to reorganize address block allocations in a more hierarchical fashion , which ultimately made geolocation possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What makes a botnet potentially devastating is that it can create traffic that's indistinguishable from legitimate traffic.
When a large enough number of computers from random locations request a page from your webserver, how do you sort the bad requests from the good?
It's the slashdot effect on steroids.If all the traffic was originating from within a particular country, it would be straightfoward to drop that traffic and let other traffic through.It's interesting to note that in the early days, it wasn't possible to determine geographic location based on IP address.
Address blocks were originally assigned rather haphazardly.
As the number of networks grew, routers had to store larger and larger routing tables.
Eventually this led to a push to reorganize address block allocations in a more hierarchical fashion, which ultimately made geolocation possible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28303497</id>
	<title>non-sense.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244733360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China is the country that has biggest population.........<br>anything she does is already the MOST/BIGGEST/LARGEST in any sense of any area......</p><p>let alone computing......<br>just all the Chinese breath at the same time.......u can tell the "green" gas as well.....</p><p>that's why westerners can't think of anything or think like any model that China does......<br>because they never reach such scale.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China is the country that has biggest population.........anything she does is already the MOST/BIGGEST/LARGEST in any sense of any area......let alone computing......just all the Chinese breath at the same time.......u can tell the " green " gas as well.....that 's why westerners ca n't think of anything or think like any model that China does......because they never reach such scale.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China is the country that has biggest population.........anything she does is already the MOST/BIGGEST/LARGEST in any sense of any area......let alone computing......just all the Chinese breath at the same time.......u can tell the "green" gas as well.....that's why westerners can't think of anything or think like any model that China does......because they never reach such scale.....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300591</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>bluie-</author>
	<datestamp>1244715840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The internet was designed to be redundant.  If you cut that connection, then traffic would try to get through another way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The internet was designed to be redundant .
If you cut that connection , then traffic would try to get through another way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The internet was designed to be redundant.
If you cut that connection, then traffic would try to get through another way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298531</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28301949</id>
	<title>Yes, I think so. but I have another question-</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244721540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is the creation of the world's largest botnet army attributable to malice, or stupidity?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is the creation of the world 's largest botnet army attributable to malice , or stupidity ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is the creation of the world's largest botnet army attributable to malice, or stupidity?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298751</id>
	<title>Stating The Obvious</title>
	<author>BigBlueOx</author>
	<datestamp>1244752680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the FA:<br>
<em>Conceivably, everything from hospitals to electrical power grids could be targets.</em> <br>
<br>
Here's a thought! Make sure hospitals and electrical power grids AREN'T ON THE INTERNET! This is hard? VPNs and darknets are hard??<br>
<br>
Choir, consider yourself preached to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the FA : Conceivably , everything from hospitals to electrical power grids could be targets .
Here 's a thought !
Make sure hospitals and electrical power grids ARE N'T ON THE INTERNET !
This is hard ?
VPNs and darknets are hard ? ?
Choir , consider yourself preached to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the FA:
Conceivably, everything from hospitals to electrical power grids could be targets.
Here's a thought!
Make sure hospitals and electrical power grids AREN'T ON THE INTERNET!
This is hard?
VPNs and darknets are hard??
Choir, consider yourself preached to.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299241</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>markkezner</author>
	<datestamp>1244711100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you do cut the cable, the traffic will try to route around the damage, clogging the "tubes" elsewhere and disrupting a lot of services.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do cut the cable , the traffic will try to route around the damage , clogging the " tubes " elsewhere and disrupting a lot of services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you do cut the cable, the traffic will try to route around the damage, clogging the "tubes" elsewhere and disrupting a lot of services.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298531</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28306747</id>
	<title>Oh no...its begun</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1244814900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you couple this with , the 100$pc movement in India....where everyone gets a pc for a cheap price...<br>you would have an incredible botnet. 1 billion chinese....let's say half are without money to pay for a computer...<br>and half of that again is using a regular old computer without the malware...leaves you with 250million...<br>still pretty nice size botnet!</p><p>I wonder how much more we could play with the number to get an estimate..I just started the ball rolling, but I would be interested in a mathematical formula to calculate the approximate value for the botnet based on.....oh no...I am sounding like Charlie from NUMB3RS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you couple this with , the 100 $ pc movement in India....where everyone gets a pc for a cheap price...you would have an incredible botnet .
1 billion chinese....let 's say half are without money to pay for a computer...and half of that again is using a regular old computer without the malware...leaves you with 250million...still pretty nice size botnet ! I wonder how much more we could play with the number to get an estimate..I just started the ball rolling , but I would be interested in a mathematical formula to calculate the approximate value for the botnet based on.....oh no...I am sounding like Charlie from NUMB3RS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you couple this with , the 100$pc movement in India....where everyone gets a pc for a cheap price...you would have an incredible botnet.
1 billion chinese....let's say half are without money to pay for a computer...and half of that again is using a regular old computer without the malware...leaves you with 250million...still pretty nice size botnet!I wonder how much more we could play with the number to get an estimate..I just started the ball rolling, but I would be interested in a mathematical formula to calculate the approximate value for the botnet based on.....oh no...I am sounding like Charlie from NUMB3RS</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300729</id>
	<title>Re:Does America already have the World's Largest?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244716320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not a likely scenario given Ballmer's threats to move Microsoft the hell out of the USA...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not a likely scenario given Ballmer 's threats to move Microsoft the hell out of the USA.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not a likely scenario given Ballmer's threats to move Microsoft the hell out of the USA...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298617</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298695</id>
	<title>Yes it is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but it's got nothing to do with that censorship proggie...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but it 's got nothing to do with that censorship proggie... : -/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but it's got nothing to do with that censorship proggie... :-/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298531</id>
	<title>Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244751840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would it be easier to just sever the undersea fibre cable to China if it's really such a grave threat?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would it be easier to just sever the undersea fibre cable to China if it 's really such a grave threat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would it be easier to just sever the undersea fibre cable to China if it's really such a grave threat?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298577</id>
	<title>geographically centralized Botnet</title>
	<author>Yo\_mama</author>
	<datestamp>1244751960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Should make it easier to block during an attack....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should make it easier to block during an attack... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should make it easier to block during an attack....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298671</id>
	<title>M$ made largest botnet, Cisco the next Echelon</title>
	<author>kubitus</author>
	<datestamp>1244752380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The US is in the dominant position regarding hidden backdoors and establishing Trojan Boot loaders into routers.<p>
I advice any government to use in their networks only SW they can compile by themselfes!</p><p>
And even more important: use routers ( and switches )  where they compiled the firmware/software themselves!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US is in the dominant position regarding hidden backdoors and establishing Trojan Boot loaders into routers .
I advice any government to use in their networks only SW they can compile by themselfes !
And even more important : use routers ( and switches ) where they compiled the firmware/software themselves !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US is in the dominant position regarding hidden backdoors and establishing Trojan Boot loaders into routers.
I advice any government to use in their networks only SW they can compile by themselfes!
And even more important: use routers ( and switches )  where they compiled the firmware/software themselves!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28302171</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1244722920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If people are knowledgeable enough to know that the software is there, and that it can be removed in that way, and knowledgeable enough to download the windows torrent to reinstall, China can't do much about them anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If people are knowledgeable enough to know that the software is there , and that it can be removed in that way , and knowledgeable enough to download the windows torrent to reinstall , China ca n't do much about them anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If people are knowledgeable enough to know that the software is there, and that it can be removed in that way, and knowledgeable enough to download the windows torrent to reinstall, China can't do much about them anyway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299677</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298867</id>
	<title>Re:Look....</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1244752980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Look, in a "cyber war" you don't fight with DoS attacks, you fight by simply severing the undersea cables.</p> </div><p>Well, severing the cables would be expensive. More likely we'd just filter incoming traffic from that address space. If every computer in China today started sending a DoS attack at something in the US or Europe, an IT guy would get beeped and would authorize their automated system to blackhole that traffic at the core routers. Basically, it would just cut off traffic originating in China and the rest of us would go on as usual except there would be some interesting network security articles. Heck, with some of the systems in place, companies with regular traffic to china might not even have their normal traffic disrupted since it had been previously mapped out as normal and white-listed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , in a " cyber war " you do n't fight with DoS attacks , you fight by simply severing the undersea cables .
Well , severing the cables would be expensive .
More likely we 'd just filter incoming traffic from that address space .
If every computer in China today started sending a DoS attack at something in the US or Europe , an IT guy would get beeped and would authorize their automated system to blackhole that traffic at the core routers .
Basically , it would just cut off traffic originating in China and the rest of us would go on as usual except there would be some interesting network security articles .
Heck , with some of the systems in place , companies with regular traffic to china might not even have their normal traffic disrupted since it had been previously mapped out as normal and white-listed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, in a "cyber war" you don't fight with DoS attacks, you fight by simply severing the undersea cables.
Well, severing the cables would be expensive.
More likely we'd just filter incoming traffic from that address space.
If every computer in China today started sending a DoS attack at something in the US or Europe, an IT guy would get beeped and would authorize their automated system to blackhole that traffic at the core routers.
Basically, it would just cut off traffic originating in China and the rest of us would go on as usual except there would be some interesting network security articles.
Heck, with some of the systems in place, companies with regular traffic to china might not even have their normal traffic disrupted since it had been previously mapped out as normal and white-listed.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298709</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300431</id>
	<title>just imagine a Folding/SETI@home team</title>
	<author>MoFoQ</author>
	<datestamp>1244715300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>just imagine a Folding/SETI@home team they could create with this.<br>it would obliterate any other team.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>just imagine a Folding/SETI @ home team they could create with this.it would obliterate any other team .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just imagine a Folding/SETI@home team they could create with this.it would obliterate any other team.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28304055</id>
	<title>While we worry about the botnet</title>
	<author>Cryp2Nite</author>
	<datestamp>1244737740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure the chinese would get a kick out of this paranoia....<br>If they weren't so busy overtaking the west on the economic front.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure the chinese would get a kick out of this paranoia....If they were n't so busy overtaking the west on the economic front .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure the chinese would get a kick out of this paranoia....If they weren't so busy overtaking the west on the economic front.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28299147</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244753940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So the question is which one is worth more? Personally im willing to bet that being connected to them is worth more to the US than it is to China.</p></div></blockquote><p>Do you have any rhyme, reason, or citation for saying this?</p><p>Or is it just another "the US is the suxxor" post.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So the question is which one is worth more ?
Personally im willing to bet that being connected to them is worth more to the US than it is to China.Do you have any rhyme , reason , or citation for saying this ? Or is it just another " the US is the suxxor " post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the question is which one is worth more?
Personally im willing to bet that being connected to them is worth more to the US than it is to China.Do you have any rhyme, reason, or citation for saying this?Or is it just another "the US is the suxxor" post.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298797</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298797</id>
	<title>Re:Correct me if I am wrong...</title>
	<author>phantomcircuit</author>
	<datestamp>1244752800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is economic warfare.  The question is which is worth more economically to the US, a connection to China which opens Chinese citizens to the world's press or severing the connection and avoiding any potential complications.</p><p>So the question is which one is worth more?  Personally im willing to bet that being connected to them is worth more to the US than it is to China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is economic warfare .
The question is which is worth more economically to the US , a connection to China which opens Chinese citizens to the world 's press or severing the connection and avoiding any potential complications.So the question is which one is worth more ?
Personally im willing to bet that being connected to them is worth more to the US than it is to China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is economic warfare.
The question is which is worth more economically to the US, a connection to China which opens Chinese citizens to the world's press or severing the connection and avoiding any potential complications.So the question is which one is worth more?
Personally im willing to bet that being connected to them is worth more to the US than it is to China.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298531</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298709</id>
	<title>Look....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look, in a "cyber war" you don't fight with DoS attacks, you fight by simply severing the undersea cables. If we were really "attacked" by China this way (which, we won't be, it would end their economy and their leaders seem to be halfway sane unlike that of North Korea) we could simply sever the lines.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , in a " cyber war " you do n't fight with DoS attacks , you fight by simply severing the undersea cables .
If we were really " attacked " by China this way ( which , we wo n't be , it would end their economy and their leaders seem to be halfway sane unlike that of North Korea ) we could simply sever the lines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, in a "cyber war" you don't fight with DoS attacks, you fight by simply severing the undersea cables.
If we were really "attacked" by China this way (which, we won't be, it would end their economy and their leaders seem to be halfway sane unlike that of North Korea) we could simply sever the lines.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28300029</id>
	<title>Is it April 1st?</title>
	<author>sgt scrub</author>
	<datestamp>1244713980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would do the same amount of damage as the year 2000 bug.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would do the same amount of damage as the year 2000 bug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would do the same amount of damage as the year 2000 bug.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298585</id>
	<title>I for one...</title>
	<author>grepya</author>
	<datestamp>1244752020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...welcome our chin... oh wait!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...welcome our chin... oh wait !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...welcome our chin... oh wait!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28301663</id>
	<title>Let's be charitable</title>
	<author>wytcld</author>
	<datestamp>1244720160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Chinese government obviously understands their people better than we do. No other government anywhere, at any time in human history, has directly controlled so many people as the current Chinese government. Success counts for something. Obviously in some basic ways they're brilliant at being a government.</p><p>So let's grant for argument that they're telling the truth: That pornography is among the most dire current threats to the continuity of their control of their population. We need to get funding from our own government to build a massive distributed porn collection, that in times of crisis can be forwarded by every available channel and modality to China. Thus can we destroy them!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chinese government obviously understands their people better than we do .
No other government anywhere , at any time in human history , has directly controlled so many people as the current Chinese government .
Success counts for something .
Obviously in some basic ways they 're brilliant at being a government.So let 's grant for argument that they 're telling the truth : That pornography is among the most dire current threats to the continuity of their control of their population .
We need to get funding from our own government to build a massive distributed porn collection , that in times of crisis can be forwarded by every available channel and modality to China .
Thus can we destroy them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chinese government obviously understands their people better than we do.
No other government anywhere, at any time in human history, has directly controlled so many people as the current Chinese government.
Success counts for something.
Obviously in some basic ways they're brilliant at being a government.So let's grant for argument that they're telling the truth: That pornography is among the most dire current threats to the continuity of their control of their population.
We need to get funding from our own government to build a massive distributed porn collection, that in times of crisis can be forwarded by every available channel and modality to China.
Thus can we destroy them!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28298621</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1912240.28304825</id>
	<title>Re:M$ made largest botnet, Cisco the next Echelon</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1244748060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>No worries!  Patriotic Chinese engineers working for Cisco and other companies will insert their own government's backdoors into American products.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No worries !
Patriotic Chinese engineers working for Cisco and other companies will insert their own government 's backdoors into American products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No worries!
Patriotic Chinese engineers working for Cisco and other companies will insert their own government's backdoors into American products.</sentencetext>
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