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	<title>Senator Applauds Pirate Bay Trial, Chides Canada</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244745900000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"Republican Senator Orrin Hatch spoke Tuesday at the World Copyright Summit in Washington DC and <a href="http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/06/11/sen-orrin-hatch-calls-pirate-bay-case-win-slams-canada-over-copyright-issues">hailed the Pirate Bay guilty verdict as an important victory</a>.  He expressed severe disappointment in Canada for showing up <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/01/1229213&amp;tid=103">on our watch list for piracy next to China and Russia</a>.  Senator Hatch also said, 'In fact, one study reports that each year, copyright piracy from motion pictures, sound recordings, business and entertainment software, and video games <a href="http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/06/09/senator-hatch-speaks-at-world-copyright-summit/id=4004/">costs the US economy $58 billion in total output</a>, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.  During this time of economic turmoil, we must ensure that all copyrighted works, both here and abroad, are protected from online theft and traditional physical piracy. After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors.'  GamePolitics notes that for his 2006 campaign, Hatch was rented for $7,000 by the RIAA and also got on his knees for $12,640 from the MPAA."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " Republican Senator Orrin Hatch spoke Tuesday at the World Copyright Summit in Washington DC and hailed the Pirate Bay guilty verdict as an important victory .
He expressed severe disappointment in Canada for showing up on our watch list for piracy next to China and Russia .
Senator Hatch also said , 'In fact , one study reports that each year , copyright piracy from motion pictures , sound recordings , business and entertainment software , and video games costs the US economy $ 58 billion in total output , costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $ 16.3 billion in earnings , and costs federal , state , and local governments $ 2.6 billion in tax revenue .
During this time of economic turmoil , we must ensure that all copyrighted works , both here and abroad , are protected from online theft and traditional physical piracy .
After all , US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America 's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors .
' GamePolitics notes that for his 2006 campaign , Hatch was rented for $ 7,000 by the RIAA and also got on his knees for $ 12,640 from the MPAA .
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<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "Republican Senator Orrin Hatch spoke Tuesday at the World Copyright Summit in Washington DC and hailed the Pirate Bay guilty verdict as an important victory.
He expressed severe disappointment in Canada for showing up on our watch list for piracy next to China and Russia.
Senator Hatch also said, 'In fact, one study reports that each year, copyright piracy from motion pictures, sound recordings, business and entertainment software, and video games costs the US economy $58 billion in total output, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.
During this time of economic turmoil, we must ensure that all copyrighted works, both here and abroad, are protected from online theft and traditional physical piracy.
After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors.
'  GamePolitics notes that for his 2006 campaign, Hatch was rented for $7,000 by the RIAA and also got on his knees for $12,640 from the MPAA.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298837</id>
	<title>Re:American Imperialsm w/ Entertainment Media?</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1244752920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I can't believe he admitted it. "After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors."</i></p><p><i>Next thing you know he'll say, "And if they won't buy our opium, we will sail our ironclads right into their harbours and open up their markets, whether they like it or not."</i></p><p>+1 for the Opium Wars reference. Most people don't realize jolly old England went to war to sell its drugs and buy its tea.</p><p>But Hatch is right as well. All America really has these days is its intellectual property rights. We design and engineer a product here, then we send it over to China to make it for us. Or we design and engineer a pop singer, and have China press copies of their DVDs and CDs for us. China is bad enough as it is - if there were no IP laws at all (or whatever anarchistic fantasy world the Pirate Bay people are living it), America's economy would go belly-up.</p><p>Accelerando by Charlie Strauss is a great work of fiction, and the early bit of the book argues this point very well, though from the opposite point of view (the main character argues we should move to a total freedom hippie society).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe he admitted it .
" After all , US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America 's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors .
" Next thing you know he 'll say , " And if they wo n't buy our opium , we will sail our ironclads right into their harbours and open up their markets , whether they like it or not .
" + 1 for the Opium Wars reference .
Most people do n't realize jolly old England went to war to sell its drugs and buy its tea.But Hatch is right as well .
All America really has these days is its intellectual property rights .
We design and engineer a product here , then we send it over to China to make it for us .
Or we design and engineer a pop singer , and have China press copies of their DVDs and CDs for us .
China is bad enough as it is - if there were no IP laws at all ( or whatever anarchistic fantasy world the Pirate Bay people are living it ) , America 's economy would go belly-up.Accelerando by Charlie Strauss is a great work of fiction , and the early bit of the book argues this point very well , though from the opposite point of view ( the main character argues we should move to a total freedom hippie society ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe he admitted it.
"After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors.
"Next thing you know he'll say, "And if they won't buy our opium, we will sail our ironclads right into their harbours and open up their markets, whether they like it or not.
"+1 for the Opium Wars reference.
Most people don't realize jolly old England went to war to sell its drugs and buy its tea.But Hatch is right as well.
All America really has these days is its intellectual property rights.
We design and engineer a product here, then we send it over to China to make it for us.
Or we design and engineer a pop singer, and have China press copies of their DVDs and CDs for us.
China is bad enough as it is - if there were no IP laws at all (or whatever anarchistic fantasy world the Pirate Bay people are living it), America's economy would go belly-up.Accelerando by Charlie Strauss is a great work of fiction, and the early bit of the book argues this point very well, though from the opposite point of view (the main character argues we should move to a total freedom hippie society).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300263</id>
	<title>Re:As always follow the money.......</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>follow the money...</p><p>unless its a democrat.</p><p>yeah yeah, offtopic, whatever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>follow the money...unless its a democrat.yeah yeah , offtopic , whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>follow the money...unless its a democrat.yeah yeah, offtopic, whatever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299209</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1244710980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Excuse me, but what does the Republican Party have to do with conservatism?</p><p>Republicans are about as conservative as the Communist party.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Excuse me , but what does the Republican Party have to do with conservatism ? Republicans are about as conservative as the Communist party .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excuse me, but what does the Republican Party have to do with conservatism?Republicans are about as conservative as the Communist party.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300139</id>
	<title>American Imperial Entertainment Media</title>
	<author>Petrini</author>
	<datestamp>1244714400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Music, movies, and microcode.  Every so often, I wonder what Mr. Stephenson drinks, and where I can get some.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Music , movies , and microcode .
Every so often , I wonder what Mr. Stephenson drinks , and where I can get some .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Music, movies, and microcode.
Every so often, I wonder what Mr. Stephenson drinks, and where I can get some.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28304999</id>
	<title>Re:Well...</title>
	<author>dryeo</author>
	<datestamp>1244837760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And Canada doesn't even have "Fair Use". So obviously the States is even worse then Canada about Copyright, letting people infringe copyright for satire, parody etc.<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair\_dealing#Fair\_dealing\_in\_Canada" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair\_dealing#Fair\_dealing\_in\_Canada</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And Canada does n't even have " Fair Use " .
So obviously the States is even worse then Canada about Copyright , letting people infringe copyright for satire , parody etc.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair \ _dealing # Fair \ _dealing \ _in \ _Canada [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Canada doesn't even have "Fair Use".
So obviously the States is even worse then Canada about Copyright, letting people infringe copyright for satire, parody etc.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair\_dealing#Fair\_dealing\_in\_Canada [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28302563</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>gwait</author>
	<datestamp>1244725560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look to his campaign donations, and which high paid lobbyists are hanging around.</p><p>Herein lies the trouble with western democracy:</p><p>"The amount that lobbyists charge their new clients has increased by nearly one hundred percent in that same period, according to The Washington Post, going up to anything from $20,000 to $40,000 a month. Starting salaries have risen to nearly $300,000 a year for the best-connected people, those leaving Congress or the administration.</p><p>The total spent per month by special interests wining, dining, and seducing federal officials is now nearly $200 million. Per month. "</p><p>See <a href="http://hankedson.squarespace.com/saving-democracy-by-bill-moyer/" title="squarespace.com">http://hankedson.squarespace.com/saving-democracy-by-bill-moyer/</a> [squarespace.com] and many other sources for details..</p><p>Both sides of the political spectrum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look to his campaign donations , and which high paid lobbyists are hanging around.Herein lies the trouble with western democracy : " The amount that lobbyists charge their new clients has increased by nearly one hundred percent in that same period , according to The Washington Post , going up to anything from $ 20,000 to $ 40,000 a month .
Starting salaries have risen to nearly $ 300,000 a year for the best-connected people , those leaving Congress or the administration.The total spent per month by special interests wining , dining , and seducing federal officials is now nearly $ 200 million .
Per month .
" See http : //hankedson.squarespace.com/saving-democracy-by-bill-moyer/ [ squarespace.com ] and many other sources for details..Both sides of the political spectrum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look to his campaign donations, and which high paid lobbyists are hanging around.Herein lies the trouble with western democracy:"The amount that lobbyists charge their new clients has increased by nearly one hundred percent in that same period, according to The Washington Post, going up to anything from $20,000 to $40,000 a month.
Starting salaries have risen to nearly $300,000 a year for the best-connected people, those leaving Congress or the administration.The total spent per month by special interests wining, dining, and seducing federal officials is now nearly $200 million.
Per month.
"See http://hankedson.squarespace.com/saving-democracy-by-bill-moyer/ [squarespace.com] and many other sources for details..Both sides of the political spectrum.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28303127</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>Dr. Hellno</author>
	<datestamp>1244729820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>it's cool, guy. You're still invited to our birthday party.</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's cool , guy .
You 're still invited to our birthday party .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's cool, guy.
You're still invited to our birthday party.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299443</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244711880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Where exactly did he get his numbers? I wonder?</p></div><p>Well, lets just say I don't like the smell of them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where exactly did he get his numbers ?
I wonder ? Well , lets just say I do n't like the smell of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where exactly did he get his numbers?
I wonder?Well, lets just say I don't like the smell of them.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298265</id>
	<title>Orin Hatch doesn't understand the law</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1244750760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The crux of the problem with "the pirate bay convictions" is that they aren't being properly tried under local law.  The fact that they had their stuff seized and then returned to them should have been indication enough that the problem isn't with the pirate bay's activities, but with the local laws.  Their present conviction is quite wrongful.</p><p>Hatch rather reminds me of my ex-wife who believed that anything that made her angry must be against the law and so was inclined to call the police to resolve it.  Hatch, of course, is one of the bought and paid for politicians and I simply can't believe anyone is taking him seriously any more... well okay, I can believe it simply because the general masses still don't get what is wrong with current copyright law and process... and definitely don't get that different countries have different ideals and standards of law.</p><p>I would have been an interesting turn of things if the U.S.S.R. was able to peddle its influence to have other nations change their laws the way the U.S. does.  And outside of the U.S. I am fairly certain that the practice is both unappreciated and unwelcome.  It is probably one of the larger reasons the U.S. is presently disliked in the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The crux of the problem with " the pirate bay convictions " is that they are n't being properly tried under local law .
The fact that they had their stuff seized and then returned to them should have been indication enough that the problem is n't with the pirate bay 's activities , but with the local laws .
Their present conviction is quite wrongful.Hatch rather reminds me of my ex-wife who believed that anything that made her angry must be against the law and so was inclined to call the police to resolve it .
Hatch , of course , is one of the bought and paid for politicians and I simply ca n't believe anyone is taking him seriously any more... well okay , I can believe it simply because the general masses still do n't get what is wrong with current copyright law and process... and definitely do n't get that different countries have different ideals and standards of law.I would have been an interesting turn of things if the U.S.S.R. was able to peddle its influence to have other nations change their laws the way the U.S. does. And outside of the U.S. I am fairly certain that the practice is both unappreciated and unwelcome .
It is probably one of the larger reasons the U.S. is presently disliked in the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The crux of the problem with "the pirate bay convictions" is that they aren't being properly tried under local law.
The fact that they had their stuff seized and then returned to them should have been indication enough that the problem isn't with the pirate bay's activities, but with the local laws.
Their present conviction is quite wrongful.Hatch rather reminds me of my ex-wife who believed that anything that made her angry must be against the law and so was inclined to call the police to resolve it.
Hatch, of course, is one of the bought and paid for politicians and I simply can't believe anyone is taking him seriously any more... well okay, I can believe it simply because the general masses still don't get what is wrong with current copyright law and process... and definitely don't get that different countries have different ideals and standards of law.I would have been an interesting turn of things if the U.S.S.R. was able to peddle its influence to have other nations change their laws the way the U.S. does.  And outside of the U.S. I am fairly certain that the practice is both unappreciated and unwelcome.
It is probably one of the larger reasons the U.S. is presently disliked in the world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28309763</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1244827800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If someone download a movie, game or song doesn't mean they would have paid for it if they couldn't. So those loss calculations are wrong</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone download a movie , game or song does n't mean they would have paid for it if they could n't .
So those loss calculations are wrong</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone download a movie, game or song doesn't mean they would have paid for it if they couldn't.
So those loss calculations are wrong
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298079</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>localman57</author>
	<datestamp>1244750220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>'In fact, one study reports that each year, copyright piracy from motion pictures, sound recordings, business and entertainment software, and video games costs the US economy $58 billion in total output, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.</p></div><p>I wonder if this number includes the economic benefits gained from people buying extra hard drives, spindles of DVD-Rs, and upgrading their broadband connections to the fastest unlimited connections they can get?

Simply looking at it as an economist, neither condemning nor condoning the action of pirating...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'In fact , one study reports that each year , copyright piracy from motion pictures , sound recordings , business and entertainment software , and video games costs the US economy $ 58 billion in total output , costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $ 16.3 billion in earnings , and costs federal , state , and local governments $ 2.6 billion in tax revenue.I wonder if this number includes the economic benefits gained from people buying extra hard drives , spindles of DVD-Rs , and upgrading their broadband connections to the fastest unlimited connections they can get ?
Simply looking at it as an economist , neither condemning nor condoning the action of pirating.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'In fact, one study reports that each year, copyright piracy from motion pictures, sound recordings, business and entertainment software, and video games costs the US economy $58 billion in total output, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.I wonder if this number includes the economic benefits gained from people buying extra hard drives, spindles of DVD-Rs, and upgrading their broadband connections to the fastest unlimited connections they can get?
Simply looking at it as an economist, neither condemning nor condoning the action of pirating...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28301453</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>easyTree</author>
	<datestamp>1244719140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I stole a car once. Hey it's not like I was gonna buy it anyway, right? I mean, I usually walk everywhere, not to mention I just don't like cars. That makes it OK. right?</p></div></blockquote><p>&lt;embedded mini-ask slashdot&gt;<br>How can we arrange it such that whenever attempts to imply that copying something deprives the 'owner' of their copy, they receive an electric shock?<br>&lt;/embedded mini-ask slashdot&gt;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I stole a car once .
Hey it 's not like I was gon na buy it anyway , right ?
I mean , I usually walk everywhere , not to mention I just do n't like cars .
That makes it OK. right ? How can we arrange it such that whenever attempts to imply that copying something deprives the 'owner ' of their copy , they receive an electric shock ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I stole a car once.
Hey it's not like I was gonna buy it anyway, right?
I mean, I usually walk everywhere, not to mention I just don't like cars.
That makes it OK. right?How can we arrange it such that whenever attempts to imply that copying something deprives the 'owner' of their copy, they receive an electric shock?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300641</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA Tax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244716020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, and it made some forms of audio copying legal. It doesn't cover video or software (for example) at all. Piracy is still possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , and it made some forms of audio copying legal .
It does n't cover video or software ( for example ) at all .
Piracy is still possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, and it made some forms of audio copying legal.
It doesn't cover video or software (for example) at all.
Piracy is still possible.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300327</id>
	<title>Canadian/American Statistics</title>
	<author>camperdave</author>
	<datestamp>1244715000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Culturally Canadians and Americans are pretty much the same.  Sure, we have two languages on our cerial boxes and real sugar in our soft drinks, and sure some of us like our french fries covered in cheese curds and gravey, but despite that there's not much difference between your average Canadian and your average American.  So, considering that Canada has roughly one tenth of the population that the US has, there is a certain amount of justification to the age old heuristic for translating back and forth between Canadian statistics and American statistics: Multiply (or divide) By Ten.<br> <br>
So, having said that, whatever pirating numbers you may have for Canada, multiply them by ten and you'll get the pirating numbers for the US. In other words Piracy is TEN TIMES WORSE in the US than it is in Canada!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Culturally Canadians and Americans are pretty much the same .
Sure , we have two languages on our cerial boxes and real sugar in our soft drinks , and sure some of us like our french fries covered in cheese curds and gravey , but despite that there 's not much difference between your average Canadian and your average American .
So , considering that Canada has roughly one tenth of the population that the US has , there is a certain amount of justification to the age old heuristic for translating back and forth between Canadian statistics and American statistics : Multiply ( or divide ) By Ten .
So , having said that , whatever pirating numbers you may have for Canada , multiply them by ten and you 'll get the pirating numbers for the US .
In other words Piracy is TEN TIMES WORSE in the US than it is in Canada !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Culturally Canadians and Americans are pretty much the same.
Sure, we have two languages on our cerial boxes and real sugar in our soft drinks, and sure some of us like our french fries covered in cheese curds and gravey, but despite that there's not much difference between your average Canadian and your average American.
So, considering that Canada has roughly one tenth of the population that the US has, there is a certain amount of justification to the age old heuristic for translating back and forth between Canadian statistics and American statistics: Multiply (or divide) By Ten.
So, having said that, whatever pirating numbers you may have for Canada, multiply them by ten and you'll get the pirating numbers for the US.
In other words Piracy is TEN TIMES WORSE in the US than it is in Canada!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299997</id>
	<title>What are Significant digits?  Anyone?  Anyone?</title>
	<author>paulsnx2</author>
	<datestamp>1244713860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have 58 billion in total output (2 digits) costing American workers 373,375 jobs (6 digits), 16.3 billion in earnings (3 digits) and 2.6 billion in tax revenue (2 digits).</p><p>Already we find ourselves wondering what kind of math skills are involved, without looking at the bogus research behind them.  373,375 jobs ?!!?!  Really?  Not 373,374?  Not 373,376?  If that is true, then we have to assume there is a fairly detailed breakdown carrying 6 digits of accuracy down from the 58.0000 billion in total output (i.e. if you only have two digits to begin with, you don't get more later.... THAT means the starting figure has to have AT LEAST 6 digits, and more likely 9 or 10 to nail this down to such an exact job count).</p><p>So that makes us wonder  what fraction of the 58 billion account for these 373,375.  The trick is to look at the TAXES. We know because they told us that 2.6 billion is going to go to taxes.  But that is only 4.4 percent of 58 billion!  That is federal, state, and local taxes!  And that HAS to be spot on if they are so accurate with the job count!</p><p>But they also claimed the 58 billion includes 16.3 billion in earnings.  We gotta assume most of that accounts for the 2.6 billion in taxes.  But that is only 15.9 percent of the earnings!?!   I don't quite understand how they are keeping their tax rates so low, unless they are piping that money offshore.  In which case, one has to wonder about that.</p><p>ANY way you slice these figures, not much income tax can be assumed, or that tax number would be MUCH bigger.</p><p>Now the only way I can figure cutting down the income tax is by assuming low paying jobs. So let's guess their analysis assumes 20K per year per job.  That comes to about 7.4 billion.</p><p>That leaves 34.3 billion on the table.  Where does that go?  Expenses?  But IF all that goes to expenses, doesn't that imply jobs created in addition to the 373,375 jobs quoted?  A massive error perhaps?</p><p>The numbers just don't add up.  And what kind of Senator would repeat them when they are so clearly junk?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have 58 billion in total output ( 2 digits ) costing American workers 373,375 jobs ( 6 digits ) , 16.3 billion in earnings ( 3 digits ) and 2.6 billion in tax revenue ( 2 digits ) .Already we find ourselves wondering what kind of math skills are involved , without looking at the bogus research behind them .
373,375 jobs ? ! ! ? !
Really ? Not 373,374 ?
Not 373,376 ?
If that is true , then we have to assume there is a fairly detailed breakdown carrying 6 digits of accuracy down from the 58.0000 billion in total output ( i.e .
if you only have two digits to begin with , you do n't get more later.... THAT means the starting figure has to have AT LEAST 6 digits , and more likely 9 or 10 to nail this down to such an exact job count ) .So that makes us wonder what fraction of the 58 billion account for these 373,375 .
The trick is to look at the TAXES .
We know because they told us that 2.6 billion is going to go to taxes .
But that is only 4.4 percent of 58 billion !
That is federal , state , and local taxes !
And that HAS to be spot on if they are so accurate with the job count ! But they also claimed the 58 billion includes 16.3 billion in earnings .
We got ta assume most of that accounts for the 2.6 billion in taxes .
But that is only 15.9 percent of the earnings ! ? !
I do n't quite understand how they are keeping their tax rates so low , unless they are piping that money offshore .
In which case , one has to wonder about that.ANY way you slice these figures , not much income tax can be assumed , or that tax number would be MUCH bigger.Now the only way I can figure cutting down the income tax is by assuming low paying jobs .
So let 's guess their analysis assumes 20K per year per job .
That comes to about 7.4 billion.That leaves 34.3 billion on the table .
Where does that go ?
Expenses ? But IF all that goes to expenses , does n't that imply jobs created in addition to the 373,375 jobs quoted ?
A massive error perhaps ? The numbers just do n't add up .
And what kind of Senator would repeat them when they are so clearly junk ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have 58 billion in total output (2 digits) costing American workers 373,375 jobs (6 digits), 16.3 billion in earnings (3 digits) and 2.6 billion in tax revenue (2 digits).Already we find ourselves wondering what kind of math skills are involved, without looking at the bogus research behind them.
373,375 jobs ?!!?!
Really?  Not 373,374?
Not 373,376?
If that is true, then we have to assume there is a fairly detailed breakdown carrying 6 digits of accuracy down from the 58.0000 billion in total output (i.e.
if you only have two digits to begin with, you don't get more later.... THAT means the starting figure has to have AT LEAST 6 digits, and more likely 9 or 10 to nail this down to such an exact job count).So that makes us wonder  what fraction of the 58 billion account for these 373,375.
The trick is to look at the TAXES.
We know because they told us that 2.6 billion is going to go to taxes.
But that is only 4.4 percent of 58 billion!
That is federal, state, and local taxes!
And that HAS to be spot on if they are so accurate with the job count!But they also claimed the 58 billion includes 16.3 billion in earnings.
We gotta assume most of that accounts for the 2.6 billion in taxes.
But that is only 15.9 percent of the earnings!?!
I don't quite understand how they are keeping their tax rates so low, unless they are piping that money offshore.
In which case, one has to wonder about that.ANY way you slice these figures, not much income tax can be assumed, or that tax number would be MUCH bigger.Now the only way I can figure cutting down the income tax is by assuming low paying jobs.
So let's guess their analysis assumes 20K per year per job.
That comes to about 7.4 billion.That leaves 34.3 billion on the table.
Where does that go?
Expenses?  But IF all that goes to expenses, doesn't that imply jobs created in addition to the 373,375 jobs quoted?
A massive error perhaps?The numbers just don't add up.
And what kind of Senator would repeat them when they are so clearly junk?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299585</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>Stargoat</author>
	<datestamp>1244712360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Orrin Hatch is the same dumbass that 4 years ago proposed developing a way to <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/06/17/220228.shtml?tid=103&amp;tid=99" title="slashdot.org">destroy computers</a> [slashdot.org] that illegally download music.  Hatch has family connections to the RIAA, his kid did some legal work for them a while back.  But perhaps his real reason for supporting stupid copyright laws is that he wants to make money as a singer-songwriter of Christian music.
<br> <br>
Orrin Hatch is routinely among the most annoying men in Washington, and that is saying something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Orrin Hatch is the same dumbass that 4 years ago proposed developing a way to destroy computers [ slashdot.org ] that illegally download music .
Hatch has family connections to the RIAA , his kid did some legal work for them a while back .
But perhaps his real reason for supporting stupid copyright laws is that he wants to make money as a singer-songwriter of Christian music .
Orrin Hatch is routinely among the most annoying men in Washington , and that is saying something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Orrin Hatch is the same dumbass that 4 years ago proposed developing a way to destroy computers [slashdot.org] that illegally download music.
Hatch has family connections to the RIAA, his kid did some legal work for them a while back.
But perhaps his real reason for supporting stupid copyright laws is that he wants to make money as a singer-songwriter of Christian music.
Orrin Hatch is routinely among the most annoying men in Washington, and that is saying something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298099</id>
	<title>Here's a little rhyme I copyrighted</title>
	<author>xednieht</author>
	<datestamp>1244750280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Orrin Hatch reminds of putrid old snatch. (C) 2009 all rights reserved</htmltext>
<tokenext>Orrin Hatch reminds of putrid old snatch .
( C ) 2009 all rights reserved</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Orrin Hatch reminds of putrid old snatch.
(C) 2009 all rights reserved</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298775</id>
	<title>Re:It often is a loss, and here's why</title>
	<author>grepya</author>
	<datestamp>1244752740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other news, unchecked air-breathing  by the earth's entire population costs governments trillions of dollars of lost revenue, billions of air-accounting jobs and millions of death by old age.<br>
&nbsp; The free availability of air to anyone with the simple capability to just  *SUCK IT IN* willy-nilly skews the whole thing wildly.  We don't know what people would do if wanton free-for-all air-breathing weren't an option. It very well might be possible that the accounting and sale of air (by the  gallons) would create huge revenues for government and private businesses. Again, we don't know because people can just... you know... inhale and exhale at will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news , unchecked air-breathing by the earth 's entire population costs governments trillions of dollars of lost revenue , billions of air-accounting jobs and millions of death by old age .
  The free availability of air to anyone with the simple capability to just * SUCK IT IN * willy-nilly skews the whole thing wildly .
We do n't know what people would do if wanton free-for-all air-breathing were n't an option .
It very well might be possible that the accounting and sale of air ( by the gallons ) would create huge revenues for government and private businesses .
Again , we do n't know because people can just... you know... inhale and exhale at will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news, unchecked air-breathing  by the earth's entire population costs governments trillions of dollars of lost revenue, billions of air-accounting jobs and millions of death by old age.
  The free availability of air to anyone with the simple capability to just  *SUCK IT IN* willy-nilly skews the whole thing wildly.
We don't know what people would do if wanton free-for-all air-breathing weren't an option.
It very well might be possible that the accounting and sale of air (by the  gallons) would create huge revenues for government and private businesses.
Again, we don't know because people can just... you know... inhale and exhale at will.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299399</id>
	<title>Re:So the Senator is applauding corrupt trials...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244711700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just call him Palpatine!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just call him Palpatine !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just call him Palpatine!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298041</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28302003</id>
	<title>You think that the USSR didn't do that?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244721720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do you think the Warsaw pact countries had Communist governments? Why do you think they dropped them as soon as they could see that the USSR could no longer enforce their will on their client states?</p><p>Not that this excuses the USA or Senator Hatch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you think the Warsaw pact countries had Communist governments ?
Why do you think they dropped them as soon as they could see that the USSR could no longer enforce their will on their client states ? Not that this excuses the USA or Senator Hatch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you think the Warsaw pact countries had Communist governments?
Why do you think they dropped them as soon as they could see that the USSR could no longer enforce their will on their client states?Not that this excuses the USA or Senator Hatch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298265</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28304263</id>
	<title>CD Levy</title>
	<author>whereiswaldo</author>
	<datestamp>1244739840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I pay $0.20 per blank CD in Canada to cover copyright infringement.  Until that levy is gone I can legally download all I want.  Don't label me a blasted pirate, ya lily livered sea dog!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I pay $ 0.20 per blank CD in Canada to cover copyright infringement .
Until that levy is gone I can legally download all I want .
Do n't label me a blasted pirate , ya lily livered sea dog !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I pay $0.20 per blank CD in Canada to cover copyright infringement.
Until that levy is gone I can legally download all I want.
Don't label me a blasted pirate, ya lily livered sea dog!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299223</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA Tax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244711040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actually i beleave that is just on CD-R's not DVD-R's. So really it doesn't effect any one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually i beleave that is just on CD-R 's not DVD-R 's .
So really it does n't effect any one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually i beleave that is just on CD-R's not DVD-R's.
So really it doesn't effect any one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298095</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298029</id>
	<title>Who wants a treat?</title>
	<author>Sponge Bath</author>
	<datestamp>1244750040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Orrin Hatch (R-UT) once again was charming,<br>
informed, thoughtful and inspiring in his speech."</p><p>Who's a good doggy? Who's a good doggy?<br>You are aren't you! Have some kibble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Orrin Hatch ( R-UT ) once again was charming , informed , thoughtful and inspiring in his speech .
" Who 's a good doggy ?
Who 's a good doggy ? You are are n't you !
Have some kibble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Orrin Hatch (R-UT) once again was charming,
informed, thoughtful and inspiring in his speech.
"Who's a good doggy?
Who's a good doggy?You are aren't you!
Have some kibble.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298213</id>
	<title>Lack of Understanding of Economics?</title>
	<author>jayme0227</author>
	<datestamp>1244750580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Okay, maybe I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, but if Americans aren't spending money on mp3s and downloaded movies, aren't they instead spending that money elsewhere? We have one of the lowest savings rates in the world, so it's not like the money is disappearing into our savings accounts. Therefore, downloading content on the internet should theoretically cost the economy $0 and $0 jobs, or at least considerably less than the figures quoted in the article, and instead create new jobs in other sectors rather than lining the pockets of movie execs. Then again, this whole philosophy is moot if nobody&#226;(TM)s following the Pirates Code of Honor and buying content that is actually good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , maybe I 'm not the brightest bulb on the tree , but if Americans are n't spending money on mp3s and downloaded movies , are n't they instead spending that money elsewhere ?
We have one of the lowest savings rates in the world , so it 's not like the money is disappearing into our savings accounts .
Therefore , downloading content on the internet should theoretically cost the economy $ 0 and $ 0 jobs , or at least considerably less than the figures quoted in the article , and instead create new jobs in other sectors rather than lining the pockets of movie execs .
Then again , this whole philosophy is moot if nobody   ( TM ) s following the Pirates Code of Honor and buying content that is actually good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, maybe I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, but if Americans aren't spending money on mp3s and downloaded movies, aren't they instead spending that money elsewhere?
We have one of the lowest savings rates in the world, so it's not like the money is disappearing into our savings accounts.
Therefore, downloading content on the internet should theoretically cost the economy $0 and $0 jobs, or at least considerably less than the figures quoted in the article, and instead create new jobs in other sectors rather than lining the pockets of movie execs.
Then again, this whole philosophy is moot if nobodyâ(TM)s following the Pirates Code of Honor and buying content that is actually good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299877</id>
	<title>Ahh, now I know how to make a lot of money...</title>
	<author>polemistes</author>
	<datestamp>1244713440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just decide that the breath I exhale should be my property, and therefore anyone using it after me should pay as much as I decide it's worth. There's just one catch.. First I must become the most powerful nation on earth, so I can force all other nations to see the fairness in this rule.<br>I'm sure the only reason Britain hasn't yet asked for royalties on the world wide use of the English language, is that they're not the most powerful nation.<br>--<br>Asking people to pay for something that is free to reproduce is something that will only work in a totalitarian regime. Go and find better business models, that's the only solution for the future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just decide that the breath I exhale should be my property , and therefore anyone using it after me should pay as much as I decide it 's worth .
There 's just one catch.. First I must become the most powerful nation on earth , so I can force all other nations to see the fairness in this rule.I 'm sure the only reason Britain has n't yet asked for royalties on the world wide use of the English language , is that they 're not the most powerful nation.--Asking people to pay for something that is free to reproduce is something that will only work in a totalitarian regime .
Go and find better business models , that 's the only solution for the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just decide that the breath I exhale should be my property, and therefore anyone using it after me should pay as much as I decide it's worth.
There's just one catch.. First I must become the most powerful nation on earth, so I can force all other nations to see the fairness in this rule.I'm sure the only reason Britain hasn't yet asked for royalties on the world wide use of the English language, is that they're not the most powerful nation.--Asking people to pay for something that is free to reproduce is something that will only work in a totalitarian regime.
Go and find better business models, that's the only solution for the future.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300513</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right, because Republicans love government-granted monopolies, and our Democrat president hasn't appointed entertainment industry shill after shill after shill. Instead of blaming the Republicans for everything, you should start blaming idiots for these things. You might notice that they are everywhere, in every party. Would you like me to list all the Democrats who have colluded with Hatch over the years?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , because Republicans love government-granted monopolies , and our Democrat president has n't appointed entertainment industry shill after shill after shill .
Instead of blaming the Republicans for everything , you should start blaming idiots for these things .
You might notice that they are everywhere , in every party .
Would you like me to list all the Democrats who have colluded with Hatch over the years ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, because Republicans love government-granted monopolies, and our Democrat president hasn't appointed entertainment industry shill after shill after shill.
Instead of blaming the Republicans for everything, you should start blaming idiots for these things.
You might notice that they are everywhere, in every party.
Would you like me to list all the Democrats who have colluded with Hatch over the years?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299947</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>gbarules2999</author>
	<datestamp>1244713680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>'In fact, one study reports that each year, copyright piracy from motion pictures, sound recordings, business and entertainment software, and video games costs <b>their respective industries</b> $58 billion in total output, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.</p></div><p>Fixed that for the Republican. That revenue isn't "lost." It's not like people are shredding the dollar bills worth that game/movie/song as they pirate. It's just being re-entered into something else.<br> <br>I'm also not pro-piracy, but when you see idiots like these, it's hard not to be.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'In fact , one study reports that each year , copyright piracy from motion pictures , sound recordings , business and entertainment software , and video games costs their respective industries $ 58 billion in total output , costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $ 16.3 billion in earnings , and costs federal , state , and local governments $ 2.6 billion in tax revenue.Fixed that for the Republican .
That revenue is n't " lost .
" It 's not like people are shredding the dollar bills worth that game/movie/song as they pirate .
It 's just being re-entered into something else .
I 'm also not pro-piracy , but when you see idiots like these , it 's hard not to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'In fact, one study reports that each year, copyright piracy from motion pictures, sound recordings, business and entertainment software, and video games costs their respective industries $58 billion in total output, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.Fixed that for the Republican.
That revenue isn't "lost.
" It's not like people are shredding the dollar bills worth that game/movie/song as they pirate.
It's just being re-entered into something else.
I'm also not pro-piracy, but when you see idiots like these, it's hard not to be.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298361</id>
	<title>What "Buys" Hatch?</title>
	<author>Greyfox</author>
	<datestamp>1244751180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bet it was the free Metallica tickets for life. Hatch rules the mosh pit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet it was the free Metallica tickets for life .
Hatch rules the mosh pit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet it was the free Metallica tickets for life.
Hatch rules the mosh pit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299695</id>
	<title>Re:Is Hatch a capitalist or aristocrat?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244712780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>these socialist ideals</p></div><p>Where the heck did you get the idea that the ideas Sen Hatch was espousing were socialist? They aren't: Socialism advocates the collective ownership of property, which in the world of so-called intellectual property would be something along the lines of Creative Commons.</p><p>No, the word you might have been looking for was "fascist", "corporatist", or "plutocratic".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>these socialist idealsWhere the heck did you get the idea that the ideas Sen Hatch was espousing were socialist ?
They are n't : Socialism advocates the collective ownership of property , which in the world of so-called intellectual property would be something along the lines of Creative Commons.No , the word you might have been looking for was " fascist " , " corporatist " , or " plutocratic " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>these socialist idealsWhere the heck did you get the idea that the ideas Sen Hatch was espousing were socialist?
They aren't: Socialism advocates the collective ownership of property, which in the world of so-called intellectual property would be something along the lines of Creative Commons.No, the word you might have been looking for was "fascist", "corporatist", or "plutocratic".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28305273</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>fastest fascist</author>
	<datestamp>1244798220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Theft

1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.

Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief.

(quoted from dictionary.com)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Theft 1 .
( Law ) The act of stealing ; specifically , the felonious taking and removing of personal property , with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same ; larceny .
Note : To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner 's consent , and it must be unlawful or felonious ; every part of the property stolen must be removed , however slightly , from its former position ; and it must be , at least momentarily , in the complete possession of the thief .
( quoted from dictionary.com )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Theft

1.
(Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.
Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief.
(quoted from dictionary.com)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299349</id>
	<title>Re:The made up statistics of the BSA</title>
	<author>twidarkling</author>
	<datestamp>1244711580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*facepalm*</p><p>"We're just going to completely make shit up, 'cause we can't be bothered to survey Canada. They're just like the US, right? We'll just use the numbers from the US, adjusted for population, and how backwards they are compared to us."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* facepalm * " We 're just going to completely make shit up , 'cause we ca n't be bothered to survey Canada .
They 're just like the US , right ?
We 'll just use the numbers from the US , adjusted for population , and how backwards they are compared to us .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*facepalm*"We're just going to completely make shit up, 'cause we can't be bothered to survey Canada.
They're just like the US, right?
We'll just use the numbers from the US, adjusted for population, and how backwards they are compared to us.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299085</id>
	<title>In other news...</title>
	<author>grepya</author>
	<datestamp>1244753700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>....  unchecked air-breathing by the earth's entire population costs governments trillions of dollars of lost revenue, billions of air-accounting jobs and millions of death by old age.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; The free availability of air to anyone with the simple capability to just *SUCK IT IN* willy-nilly skews the whole thing wildly. We don't know what people would do if wanton free-for-all air-breathing weren't an option. It very well might be possible that the accounting and sale of air (by the gallons) would create huge revenues for government and private businesses. Again, we don't know because people can just... you know... inhale and exhale at will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.... unchecked air-breathing by the earth 's entire population costs governments trillions of dollars of lost revenue , billions of air-accounting jobs and millions of death by old age .
    The free availability of air to anyone with the simple capability to just * SUCK IT IN * willy-nilly skews the whole thing wildly .
We do n't know what people would do if wanton free-for-all air-breathing were n't an option .
It very well might be possible that the accounting and sale of air ( by the gallons ) would create huge revenues for government and private businesses .
Again , we do n't know because people can just... you know... inhale and exhale at will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>....  unchecked air-breathing by the earth's entire population costs governments trillions of dollars of lost revenue, billions of air-accounting jobs and millions of death by old age.
    The free availability of air to anyone with the simple capability to just *SUCK IT IN* willy-nilly skews the whole thing wildly.
We don't know what people would do if wanton free-for-all air-breathing weren't an option.
It very well might be possible that the accounting and sale of air (by the gallons) would create huge revenues for government and private businesses.
Again, we don't know because people can just... you know... inhale and exhale at will.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299071</id>
	<title>Re:It often is a loss, and here's why</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244753640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hmmm internet piracy really hasn't been around for that long. say mainstream pirating has been going on for about 8 years and tack on maybe 5-6 more years for the ramp up stage. that gives us 14 years piracy has been around, yet all these people and industries getting hurt by the pirates are still around too. but to get back to where I was going I'm sure the companies have access to their sales figures from back then in some form or another. with that info we could get a pretty good idea how much piracy *hurts* the music and movie industries. now if only we had some figures on quality of product. --- I believe this is the main issue. These companies are only interested in a fast buck and only make products out of a sub-par cookie cutter. And the decline began before Pirates.</p><p>P.S. off topic, but I really really hate the stupid little image verification POS before the submit.  It at least needs a refresh option.  I have entered the exact lettering combo 1/2 a dozen times and I get a fail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hmmm internet piracy really has n't been around for that long .
say mainstream pirating has been going on for about 8 years and tack on maybe 5-6 more years for the ramp up stage .
that gives us 14 years piracy has been around , yet all these people and industries getting hurt by the pirates are still around too .
but to get back to where I was going I 'm sure the companies have access to their sales figures from back then in some form or another .
with that info we could get a pretty good idea how much piracy * hurts * the music and movie industries .
now if only we had some figures on quality of product .
--- I believe this is the main issue .
These companies are only interested in a fast buck and only make products out of a sub-par cookie cutter .
And the decline began before Pirates.P.S .
off topic , but I really really hate the stupid little image verification POS before the submit .
It at least needs a refresh option .
I have entered the exact lettering combo 1/2 a dozen times and I get a fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hmmm internet piracy really hasn't been around for that long.
say mainstream pirating has been going on for about 8 years and tack on maybe 5-6 more years for the ramp up stage.
that gives us 14 years piracy has been around, yet all these people and industries getting hurt by the pirates are still around too.
but to get back to where I was going I'm sure the companies have access to their sales figures from back then in some form or another.
with that info we could get a pretty good idea how much piracy *hurts* the music and movie industries.
now if only we had some figures on quality of product.
--- I believe this is the main issue.
These companies are only interested in a fast buck and only make products out of a sub-par cookie cutter.
And the decline began before Pirates.P.S.
off topic, but I really really hate the stupid little image verification POS before the submit.
It at least needs a refresh option.
I have entered the exact lettering combo 1/2 a dozen times and I get a fail.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28303891</id>
	<title>Re:Orin Hatch doesn't understand the law</title>
	<author>sincewhen</author>
	<datestamp>1244736240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; <i>It is probably one of the larger reasons the U.S. is presently disliked in the world.</i>
<br> <br>
You sir have hit the nail on the head. <br>
I'm in Australia, and, as part of a free trade agreement between ourselves and the USA, we were required to enact some of the provisions of the DMCA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; It is probably one of the larger reasons the U.S. is presently disliked in the world .
You sir have hit the nail on the head .
I 'm in Australia , and , as part of a free trade agreement between ourselves and the USA , we were required to enact some of the provisions of the DMCA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; It is probably one of the larger reasons the U.S. is presently disliked in the world.
You sir have hit the nail on the head.
I'm in Australia, and, as part of a free trade agreement between ourselves and the USA, we were required to enact some of the provisions of the DMCA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299175</id>
	<title>Dear Senator Orrin Hatch</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244710860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear Senator Orrin Hatch,</p><p>Suck it</p><p>-Canada</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Senator Orrin Hatch,Suck it-Canada</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Senator Orrin Hatch,Suck it-Canada</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298323</id>
	<title>Re:Well...</title>
	<author>Divebus</author>
	<datestamp>1244751000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, that's nothing. Think how much money this "Fair Use" nonsense has cost the industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , that 's nothing .
Think how much money this " Fair Use " nonsense has cost the industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, that's nothing.
Think how much money this "Fair Use" nonsense has cost the industry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28312359</id>
	<title>Re:Some things the Senator needs to understand.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244837640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>on ideology:</p><p>1/ a man pointing a gun at you can have authority, and independence is an illusion</p><p>2/ where it came from or who funded it doesnt matter if the data is valid</p><p>3/ blah</p><p>4/ blah</p><p>blah</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>on ideology : 1/ a man pointing a gun at you can have authority , and independence is an illusion2/ where it came from or who funded it doesnt matter if the data is valid3/ blah4/ blahblah</tokentext>
<sentencetext>on ideology:1/ a man pointing a gun at you can have authority, and independence is an illusion2/ where it came from or who funded it doesnt matter if the data is valid3/ blah4/ blahblah</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298481</id>
	<title>Hey Hatch F-OFF you industry Whore.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244751660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Publish more bullshit in the hope that it sticks just because Canada doesn't rubber stamp the changes US media giants want to existing Canadian legislation... Just F-OFF and while your at it find another supplier of energy for the US, Canada is your #1 supplier.  Find someone else to fight in Afghanistan, Canada has been there willingly and very fucking effectively since day one.  Even after your trigger happy fucking cowboy pilots dropped bombs on Canadian troops on exercises in a clearly marked and advertised training area... Hatch please just fuck off.  Sorry for the rant folks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Publish more bullshit in the hope that it sticks just because Canada does n't rubber stamp the changes US media giants want to existing Canadian legislation... Just F-OFF and while your at it find another supplier of energy for the US , Canada is your # 1 supplier .
Find someone else to fight in Afghanistan , Canada has been there willingly and very fucking effectively since day one .
Even after your trigger happy fucking cowboy pilots dropped bombs on Canadian troops on exercises in a clearly marked and advertised training area... Hatch please just fuck off .
Sorry for the rant folks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Publish more bullshit in the hope that it sticks just because Canada doesn't rubber stamp the changes US media giants want to existing Canadian legislation... Just F-OFF and while your at it find another supplier of energy for the US, Canada is your #1 supplier.
Find someone else to fight in Afghanistan, Canada has been there willingly and very fucking effectively since day one.
Even after your trigger happy fucking cowboy pilots dropped bombs on Canadian troops on exercises in a clearly marked and advertised training area... Hatch please just fuck off.
Sorry for the rant folks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28307237</id>
	<title>Maybe your senators should learn to read</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244817540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seams your senators are no better than Canada's own politician. As Michael Geist has explained repeatedly (and again today) <a href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/" title="michaelgeist.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.michaelgeist.ca/</a> [michaelgeist.ca]. All this garbage about Canada being a haven of file sharing is based on very questionable 6 year old data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seams your senators are no better than Canada 's own politician .
As Michael Geist has explained repeatedly ( and again today ) http : //www.michaelgeist.ca/ [ michaelgeist.ca ] .
All this garbage about Canada being a haven of file sharing is based on very questionable 6 year old data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seams your senators are no better than Canada's own politician.
As Michael Geist has explained repeatedly (and again today) http://www.michaelgeist.ca/ [michaelgeist.ca].
All this garbage about Canada being a haven of file sharing is based on very questionable 6 year old data.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299261</id>
	<title>Re:On that note</title>
	<author>Battle\_Ratt</author>
	<datestamp>1244711160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Eleventy Billion Dollars</p></div><p>Isn't a number.....yet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Eleventy Billion DollarsIs n't a number.....yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eleventy Billion DollarsIsn't a number.....yet.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298903</id>
	<title>Re:Some things the Senator needs to understand.</title>
	<author>sesshomaru</author>
	<datestamp>1244753100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, if China is on the list, don't <em>they</em> own <em>us</em> now?</p><p>Seriously, how much American National Debt do they have to hold before we have to start doing what they say?</p><p>I've bought my fair share of "dubious" media, and "game enhancing mechanisms" from Hong Kong, but why would the Chinese government have to listen to the US government?</p><p>I mean, heck, they just bought Hummer, they'll probably get the rest of GM eventually, for fire sale prices.... meanwhile, we're giving all our money to the big banks, which they use to try to make themselves even more overleveraged than they are now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , if China is on the list , do n't they own us now ? Seriously , how much American National Debt do they have to hold before we have to start doing what they say ? I 've bought my fair share of " dubious " media , and " game enhancing mechanisms " from Hong Kong , but why would the Chinese government have to listen to the US government ? I mean , heck , they just bought Hummer , they 'll probably get the rest of GM eventually , for fire sale prices.... meanwhile , we 're giving all our money to the big banks , which they use to try to make themselves even more overleveraged than they are now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, if China is on the list, don't they own us now?Seriously, how much American National Debt do they have to hold before we have to start doing what they say?I've bought my fair share of "dubious" media, and "game enhancing mechanisms" from Hong Kong, but why would the Chinese government have to listen to the US government?I mean, heck, they just bought Hummer, they'll probably get the rest of GM eventually, for fire sale prices.... meanwhile, we're giving all our money to the big banks, which they use to try to make themselves even more overleveraged than they are now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297873</id>
	<title>OK republican shills</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244749560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>start defending this idiot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>start defending this idiot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>start defending this idiot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300273</id>
	<title>Re:It often is a loss, and here's why</title>
	<author>ojustgiveitup</author>
	<datestamp>1244714820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We don't know what people would do if piracy weren't an option. It very well might be possible that the sales of games and movies might be significantly higher.</p></div><p>We don't know what people would do if piracy weren't an option. It very well might be that the sales of games and movies might be significantly <strong>lower</strong>.</p><p>I'm not gonna say "fixed that for you" because it could be either your way or my way based on the evidence in your post. If you're going to say something like "we have no idea", you can't then posit that one thing "might very well be" without recognizing that the other thing could also very well be. If you think one way is more likely than the other, then you have to say why that is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't know what people would do if piracy were n't an option .
It very well might be possible that the sales of games and movies might be significantly higher.We do n't know what people would do if piracy were n't an option .
It very well might be that the sales of games and movies might be significantly lower.I 'm not gon na say " fixed that for you " because it could be either your way or my way based on the evidence in your post .
If you 're going to say something like " we have no idea " , you ca n't then posit that one thing " might very well be " without recognizing that the other thing could also very well be .
If you think one way is more likely than the other , then you have to say why that is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't know what people would do if piracy weren't an option.
It very well might be possible that the sales of games and movies might be significantly higher.We don't know what people would do if piracy weren't an option.
It very well might be that the sales of games and movies might be significantly lower.I'm not gonna say "fixed that for you" because it could be either your way or my way based on the evidence in your post.
If you're going to say something like "we have no idea", you can't then posit that one thing "might very well be" without recognizing that the other thing could also very well be.
If you think one way is more likely than the other, then you have to say why that is.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28301077</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>maz2331</author>
	<datestamp>1244717640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the Pirate Bay issue, I agree with him.  They were running an organized conspiracy specifically to violate copyright law, even as written in Sweden.  The smug attitude before, during, and after the trial destroys any bit of sympathy I ever had for these people.  "Even if I had the money, I would burn it first" doesn't make one a sympathetic character.  Screw them.</p><p>I don't like the *AA side at all, but that doesn't mean that the pirates are heroes to me.  The best-case scenerio is that they share a cell block.</p><p>As for Canada, not so much.  That's just him being a good *AA-owned property.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the Pirate Bay issue , I agree with him .
They were running an organized conspiracy specifically to violate copyright law , even as written in Sweden .
The smug attitude before , during , and after the trial destroys any bit of sympathy I ever had for these people .
" Even if I had the money , I would burn it first " does n't make one a sympathetic character .
Screw them.I do n't like the * AA side at all , but that does n't mean that the pirates are heroes to me .
The best-case scenerio is that they share a cell block.As for Canada , not so much .
That 's just him being a good * AA-owned property .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the Pirate Bay issue, I agree with him.
They were running an organized conspiracy specifically to violate copyright law, even as written in Sweden.
The smug attitude before, during, and after the trial destroys any bit of sympathy I ever had for these people.
"Even if I had the money, I would burn it first" doesn't make one a sympathetic character.
Screw them.I don't like the *AA side at all, but that doesn't mean that the pirates are heroes to me.
The best-case scenerio is that they share a cell block.As for Canada, not so much.
That's just him being a good *AA-owned property.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298587</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA Tax</title>
	<author>LSDelirious</author>
	<datestamp>1244752020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just wait until they try to tax all binary information... Zeros are Free, but Ones will cost ya</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wait until they try to tax all binary information... Zeros are Free , but Ones will cost ya</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wait until they try to tax all binary information... Zeros are Free, but Ones will cost ya</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298119</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>probably quoted from the last guy that quoted some number who quoted them from some other guy who calculated for inflation from some numbers he heard some other guy quote from a magazine article from 1981 or so that had no actual fact numbers to begin with.</p><p>But it sure sounds impressive so it must be true.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>probably quoted from the last guy that quoted some number who quoted them from some other guy who calculated for inflation from some numbers he heard some other guy quote from a magazine article from 1981 or so that had no actual fact numbers to begin with.But it sure sounds impressive so it must be true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>probably quoted from the last guy that quoted some number who quoted them from some other guy who calculated for inflation from some numbers he heard some other guy quote from a magazine article from 1981 or so that had no actual fact numbers to begin with.But it sure sounds impressive so it must be true.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299961</id>
	<title>Re:American Imperialsm w/ Entertainment Media?</title>
	<author>jcnnghm</author>
	<datestamp>1244713740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not just entertainment media stupid.  Software and hardware design are also copyright-based industries.  We have to protect the creation of intellectual property, as we already opened our borders to let the manufacture of physical property occur elsewhere without excessive tariffs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just entertainment media stupid .
Software and hardware design are also copyright-based industries .
We have to protect the creation of intellectual property , as we already opened our borders to let the manufacture of physical property occur elsewhere without excessive tariffs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just entertainment media stupid.
Software and hardware design are also copyright-based industries.
We have to protect the creation of intellectual property, as we already opened our borders to let the manufacture of physical property occur elsewhere without excessive tariffs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298913</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>HockeyPuck</author>
	<datestamp>1244753160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many would have bought the movie/game if you could NOT download it?  I know of plenty of people that download games/movies because they don't believe they are worth it to buy them.  How many people avoid going to the movie in the theater because "I'd rather download it for FREE than spend $20 to see it in the movies".</p><p>So if Terminator 4 was downloaded 1million times in the US, one could say that it cost the $18million ($18 for the DVD) plus the government $1,260,000 in taxes (assuming 7\% taxes).</p><p>$1.26m buys a lot of textbooks for schools.</p><p>The people that do the most complaining about this ("I should have it for free, let someone else pay for it!") are those that don't have any Intellectual Property that they would like to profit from.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many would have bought the movie/game if you could NOT download it ?
I know of plenty of people that download games/movies because they do n't believe they are worth it to buy them .
How many people avoid going to the movie in the theater because " I 'd rather download it for FREE than spend $ 20 to see it in the movies " .So if Terminator 4 was downloaded 1million times in the US , one could say that it cost the $ 18million ( $ 18 for the DVD ) plus the government $ 1,260,000 in taxes ( assuming 7 \ % taxes ) . $ 1.26m buys a lot of textbooks for schools.The people that do the most complaining about this ( " I should have it for free , let someone else pay for it !
" ) are those that do n't have any Intellectual Property that they would like to profit from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many would have bought the movie/game if you could NOT download it?
I know of plenty of people that download games/movies because they don't believe they are worth it to buy them.
How many people avoid going to the movie in the theater because "I'd rather download it for FREE than spend $20 to see it in the movies".So if Terminator 4 was downloaded 1million times in the US, one could say that it cost the $18million ($18 for the DVD) plus the government $1,260,000 in taxes (assuming 7\% taxes).$1.26m buys a lot of textbooks for schools.The people that do the most complaining about this ("I should have it for free, let someone else pay for it!
") are those that don't have any Intellectual Property that they would like to profit from.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300159</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>sgt scrub</author>
	<datestamp>1244714460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does never being caught blowing anyone in public count as a positive in the Republican party?  If so then that should be added.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does never being caught blowing anyone in public count as a positive in the Republican party ?
If so then that should be added .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does never being caught blowing anyone in public count as a positive in the Republican party?
If so then that should be added.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298275</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>k10quaint</author>
	<datestamp>1244750820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Where exactly did he get his numbers? I wonder?</p></div><p>Didn't you read the summary? There was $19,640 dollars of "research" done to supply those numbers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where exactly did he get his numbers ?
I wonder ? Did n't you read the summary ?
There was $ 19,640 dollars of " research " done to supply those numbers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where exactly did he get his numbers?
I wonder?Didn't you read the summary?
There was $19,640 dollars of "research" done to supply those numbers.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299137</id>
	<title>Sounds like Utah citizens need to wake up....</title>
	<author>Eggplant62</author>
	<datestamp>1244753880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And vote this obvious shill for RIAA/MPAA out of office. His words speak volumes as to which pockets he's funded from.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And vote this obvious shill for RIAA/MPAA out of office .
His words speak volumes as to which pockets he 's funded from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And vote this obvious shill for RIAA/MPAA out of office.
His words speak volumes as to which pockets he's funded from.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299067</id>
	<title>Re:So the Senator is applauding corrupt trials...</title>
	<author>Jherek Carnelian</author>
	<datestamp>1244753640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sure glad that he is a senator then. I would love to see how he would feel if he was convicted in a trial and it turned out that the Judge was a high ranking member of the puppeteers of the prosecutor.</p></div><p>If the piratebay people were so inclined, they could probably spend a few hundred dollars and get a rebuttal run at prnewswire.com which would hit the newsdesks of pretty much all the newspapers in the country and plenty of places online.</p><p>Not to say that those newsdesks would necessarily do anything with it, but if TPB guys were clever enough they might get noticed - the news does love a good fight that involves overtly hypocritical politicians, especially when accusations of corruption are involved and the guy is a bought-and-paid for MAFIAA mouth-piece.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure glad that he is a senator then .
I would love to see how he would feel if he was convicted in a trial and it turned out that the Judge was a high ranking member of the puppeteers of the prosecutor.If the piratebay people were so inclined , they could probably spend a few hundred dollars and get a rebuttal run at prnewswire.com which would hit the newsdesks of pretty much all the newspapers in the country and plenty of places online.Not to say that those newsdesks would necessarily do anything with it , but if TPB guys were clever enough they might get noticed - the news does love a good fight that involves overtly hypocritical politicians , especially when accusations of corruption are involved and the guy is a bought-and-paid for MAFIAA mouth-piece .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure glad that he is a senator then.
I would love to see how he would feel if he was convicted in a trial and it turned out that the Judge was a high ranking member of the puppeteers of the prosecutor.If the piratebay people were so inclined, they could probably spend a few hundred dollars and get a rebuttal run at prnewswire.com which would hit the newsdesks of pretty much all the newspapers in the country and plenty of places online.Not to say that those newsdesks would necessarily do anything with it, but if TPB guys were clever enough they might get noticed - the news does love a good fight that involves overtly hypocritical politicians, especially when accusations of corruption are involved and the guy is a bought-and-paid for MAFIAA mouth-piece.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299571</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA Tax</title>
	<author>Synchis</author>
	<datestamp>1244712300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not a tax, its a Levy.</p><p>The levy is on certain types of blank recordable media, and is called the "Private Copying Levy". It does not go directly to the RIAA-equivelent. It goes to the Private Copying Collective to be divided up amonst those who *apply* for a piece of it.</p><p>This Levy makes certain types of downloading legal, such as downloading directly to recordable media that is covered by the levy.</p><p>It does not however make *all* downloading of copyrighted material legal. Nor does it cover anything but music recordings.</p><p>The private copying levy also covers things like... borrowing a cd from a friend and making a copy of it for personal use, or borrowing a cd from a library for the same reason.</p><p>On the other hand, distributing copyrighted material is still infringing. Posting copyrighted material online, making copies of copyrighted material and giving them away, etc is still infringing actions and can still be prosecuted. And no, it doesn't matter if you did it for profit or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a tax , its a Levy.The levy is on certain types of blank recordable media , and is called the " Private Copying Levy " .
It does not go directly to the RIAA-equivelent .
It goes to the Private Copying Collective to be divided up amonst those who * apply * for a piece of it.This Levy makes certain types of downloading legal , such as downloading directly to recordable media that is covered by the levy.It does not however make * all * downloading of copyrighted material legal .
Nor does it cover anything but music recordings.The private copying levy also covers things like... borrowing a cd from a friend and making a copy of it for personal use , or borrowing a cd from a library for the same reason.On the other hand , distributing copyrighted material is still infringing .
Posting copyrighted material online , making copies of copyrighted material and giving them away , etc is still infringing actions and can still be prosecuted .
And no , it does n't matter if you did it for profit or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a tax, its a Levy.The levy is on certain types of blank recordable media, and is called the "Private Copying Levy".
It does not go directly to the RIAA-equivelent.
It goes to the Private Copying Collective to be divided up amonst those who *apply* for a piece of it.This Levy makes certain types of downloading legal, such as downloading directly to recordable media that is covered by the levy.It does not however make *all* downloading of copyrighted material legal.
Nor does it cover anything but music recordings.The private copying levy also covers things like... borrowing a cd from a friend and making a copy of it for personal use, or borrowing a cd from a library for the same reason.On the other hand, distributing copyrighted material is still infringing.
Posting copyrighted material online, making copies of copyrighted material and giving them away, etc is still infringing actions and can still be prosecuted.
And no, it doesn't matter if you did it for profit or not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300323</id>
	<title>Not to defend him... but...</title>
	<author>VoxMagis</author>
	<datestamp>1244715000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He made a speech at the 'World Copyright Forum' in favor of copyrights and anti-piracy.</p><p>A politician is invited to give a speech somewhere BECAUSE they expect him/her to provide the viewpoint they want.</p><p>Opening a bus station?  Bet who ever shows up talks about public transportation.<br>A factory?  Jobs<br>Aircraft Carrier?  Defense<br>School?  Education</p><p>I am NOT agreeing with or defending Mr. Hatch.  I am simply pointing out that a politician is invited for a reason AND chooses to attend for a reason, and those two things rarely combine to create some incredible spark of reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He made a speech at the 'World Copyright Forum ' in favor of copyrights and anti-piracy.A politician is invited to give a speech somewhere BECAUSE they expect him/her to provide the viewpoint they want.Opening a bus station ?
Bet who ever shows up talks about public transportation.A factory ?
JobsAircraft Carrier ?
DefenseSchool ? EducationI am NOT agreeing with or defending Mr. Hatch. I am simply pointing out that a politician is invited for a reason AND chooses to attend for a reason , and those two things rarely combine to create some incredible spark of reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He made a speech at the 'World Copyright Forum' in favor of copyrights and anti-piracy.A politician is invited to give a speech somewhere BECAUSE they expect him/her to provide the viewpoint they want.Opening a bus station?
Bet who ever shows up talks about public transportation.A factory?
JobsAircraft Carrier?
DefenseSchool?  EducationI am NOT agreeing with or defending Mr. Hatch.  I am simply pointing out that a politician is invited for a reason AND chooses to attend for a reason, and those two things rarely combine to create some incredible spark of reality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28303463</id>
	<title>BS</title>
	<author>m509272</author>
	<datestamp>1244732940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a bunch of crap stats.  373,375 jobs.  Why not 375,373 job or 773,777 jobs?  So is that the extra clerks they would hire to rent videos or mail out DVDs for netflix or answer support calls from legit downloaders or fill up more Redbox machines or package more DVD orders or collect more movie tickets or sell more popcorn?  Total junk numbers.  I'd have to guess most illegal downloaders are people that would never pay for the stuff to being with.  On the other hand, you probably get some people who say that's a good CD or DVD, I'll buy it to support the band or maybe they say yeah I'll spend $100 to see the band or buy a ticket to see the movie on the big screen.</p><p>Personally, I buy zero CDs, zero DVDs and go to zero movies.  If I can't get it from the library, listen to it on the radio or watch it on TV (or HBO) I don't see it or hear it.  I will not spend another penny.  So if I were to download $10 million worth of stuff in my lifetime that is not lost revenue because I would not have purchased it to begin with.  I know for a fact that I'm not the only one thinking this way.  I'd also guess that many that are paying for every premium TV channel out there is also the one that is likely to be downloading the movies as soon as they can on the internet because they can't wait.  So are they ripping the biz off?  No, because they are paying for every freakin' channel out there, they are just jumping the gun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a bunch of crap stats .
373,375 jobs .
Why not 375,373 job or 773,777 jobs ?
So is that the extra clerks they would hire to rent videos or mail out DVDs for netflix or answer support calls from legit downloaders or fill up more Redbox machines or package more DVD orders or collect more movie tickets or sell more popcorn ?
Total junk numbers .
I 'd have to guess most illegal downloaders are people that would never pay for the stuff to being with .
On the other hand , you probably get some people who say that 's a good CD or DVD , I 'll buy it to support the band or maybe they say yeah I 'll spend $ 100 to see the band or buy a ticket to see the movie on the big screen.Personally , I buy zero CDs , zero DVDs and go to zero movies .
If I ca n't get it from the library , listen to it on the radio or watch it on TV ( or HBO ) I do n't see it or hear it .
I will not spend another penny .
So if I were to download $ 10 million worth of stuff in my lifetime that is not lost revenue because I would not have purchased it to begin with .
I know for a fact that I 'm not the only one thinking this way .
I 'd also guess that many that are paying for every premium TV channel out there is also the one that is likely to be downloading the movies as soon as they can on the internet because they ca n't wait .
So are they ripping the biz off ?
No , because they are paying for every freakin ' channel out there , they are just jumping the gun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a bunch of crap stats.
373,375 jobs.
Why not 375,373 job or 773,777 jobs?
So is that the extra clerks they would hire to rent videos or mail out DVDs for netflix or answer support calls from legit downloaders or fill up more Redbox machines or package more DVD orders or collect more movie tickets or sell more popcorn?
Total junk numbers.
I'd have to guess most illegal downloaders are people that would never pay for the stuff to being with.
On the other hand, you probably get some people who say that's a good CD or DVD, I'll buy it to support the band or maybe they say yeah I'll spend $100 to see the band or buy a ticket to see the movie on the big screen.Personally, I buy zero CDs, zero DVDs and go to zero movies.
If I can't get it from the library, listen to it on the radio or watch it on TV (or HBO) I don't see it or hear it.
I will not spend another penny.
So if I were to download $10 million worth of stuff in my lifetime that is not lost revenue because I would not have purchased it to begin with.
I know for a fact that I'm not the only one thinking this way.
I'd also guess that many that are paying for every premium TV channel out there is also the one that is likely to be downloading the movies as soon as they can on the internet because they can't wait.
So are they ripping the biz off?
No, because they are paying for every freakin' channel out there, they are just jumping the gun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298295</id>
	<title>Bad Science</title>
	<author>nickovs</author>
	<datestamp>1244750880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As ever, the media companies are deploying insupportable statistics. Most of the numbers for 'lost revenue' are coming form multiplying 'estimates' for the number of files shared by the recommended retail price of the shared item, which makes the huge leap of believing that every single download that the RIAA thinks happened represents a lost sale that otherwise would have taken place. This assumption is not only naive but <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music" title="guardian.co.uk">studies</a> [guardian.co.uk] have shown that people who download music for free also buy more music. In the UK the government is basing policies on <a href="http://www.badscience.net/2009/06/home-taping-didnt-kill-music/" title="badscience.net">similarly erroneous</a> [badscience.net] information bought and paid for by the media companies. In that particular case the <a href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/infostudies/research/ciber/" title="ucl.ac.uk">'academic study'</a> [ucl.ac.uk] got it's numbers for lost revenue from an <a href="http://www.iprights.com/publications/Alert\_156.pdf" title="iprights.com">industry press release</a> [iprights.com]...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As ever , the media companies are deploying insupportable statistics .
Most of the numbers for 'lost revenue ' are coming form multiplying 'estimates ' for the number of files shared by the recommended retail price of the shared item , which makes the huge leap of believing that every single download that the RIAA thinks happened represents a lost sale that otherwise would have taken place .
This assumption is not only naive but studies [ guardian.co.uk ] have shown that people who download music for free also buy more music .
In the UK the government is basing policies on similarly erroneous [ badscience.net ] information bought and paid for by the media companies .
In that particular case the 'academic study ' [ ucl.ac.uk ] got it 's numbers for lost revenue from an industry press release [ iprights.com ] .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As ever, the media companies are deploying insupportable statistics.
Most of the numbers for 'lost revenue' are coming form multiplying 'estimates' for the number of files shared by the recommended retail price of the shared item, which makes the huge leap of believing that every single download that the RIAA thinks happened represents a lost sale that otherwise would have taken place.
This assumption is not only naive but studies [guardian.co.uk] have shown that people who download music for free also buy more music.
In the UK the government is basing policies on similarly erroneous [badscience.net] information bought and paid for by the media companies.
In that particular case the 'academic study' [ucl.ac.uk] got it's numbers for lost revenue from an industry press release [iprights.com]...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298071</id>
	<title>So</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Right whines and makes up numbers as scare tactics, and the Holy Left appoints the RIAA's attack dogs to run the justice department.</p><p>I'm thinking it's time to move to Canada.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Right whines and makes up numbers as scare tactics , and the Holy Left appoints the RIAA 's attack dogs to run the justice department.I 'm thinking it 's time to move to Canada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Right whines and makes up numbers as scare tactics, and the Holy Left appoints the RIAA's attack dogs to run the justice department.I'm thinking it's time to move to Canada.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28306497</id>
	<title>Only $58 billion?</title>
	<author>anon*127.0.0.1</author>
	<datestamp>1244813040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have seen statistics that reliably put the annual loss to to piracy at a figure closer to 47 kajillion dollars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have seen statistics that reliably put the annual loss to to piracy at a figure closer to 47 kajillion dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have seen statistics that reliably put the annual loss to to piracy at a figure closer to 47 kajillion dollars.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299993</id>
	<title>my interpretation...</title>
	<author>rilian4</author>
	<datestamp>1244713860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"...costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue."<br>
<br>
"After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors."<br>
<br>
So one of the fastest growing yet losing 373k jobs? ooooook...<br>
I actually buy "one of the fastest growing..." part. The emergence of online content has been a massive boon to all content sellers whether they want to admit it or not. <br>
<br>
The real reason he's yakking is: "...and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.". You can't tax it if its free...interesting concept.<br>
<br>
moving along...<br>

" GamePolitics notes that for his 2006 campaign, Hatch was rented for $7,000 by the RIAA and also got on his knees for $12,640 from the MPAA."

That's not a heck of lot of money for a campaign contribution coming from the filthy rich RI/MP AAs but I guess it still shows a conflict of interest, even if it is small..

I will state for the record that I do not condone piracy but I am in favor of a content model where consumers can get music and movies on demand a reduced price or for free in return for watching ads (hulu-esque). I find modern DRM distasteful as I buy all my movies and I can't make backups legally.

-rilian</htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $ 16.3 billion in earnings , and costs federal , state , and local governments $ 2.6 billion in tax revenue .
" " After all , US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America 's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors .
" So one of the fastest growing yet losing 373k jobs ?
ooooook.. . I actually buy " one of the fastest growing... " part .
The emergence of online content has been a massive boon to all content sellers whether they want to admit it or not .
The real reason he 's yakking is : " ...and costs federal , state , and local governments $ 2.6 billion in tax revenue. " .
You ca n't tax it if its free...interesting concept .
moving along.. . " GamePolitics notes that for his 2006 campaign , Hatch was rented for $ 7,000 by the RIAA and also got on his knees for $ 12,640 from the MPAA .
" That 's not a heck of lot of money for a campaign contribution coming from the filthy rich RI/MP AAs but I guess it still shows a conflict of interest , even if it is small. . I will state for the record that I do not condone piracy but I am in favor of a content model where consumers can get music and movies on demand a reduced price or for free in return for watching ads ( hulu-esque ) .
I find modern DRM distasteful as I buy all my movies and I ca n't make backups legally .
-rilian</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.
"

"After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors.
"

So one of the fastest growing yet losing 373k jobs?
ooooook...
I actually buy "one of the fastest growing..." part.
The emergence of online content has been a massive boon to all content sellers whether they want to admit it or not.
The real reason he's yakking is: "...and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.".
You can't tax it if its free...interesting concept.
moving along...

" GamePolitics notes that for his 2006 campaign, Hatch was rented for $7,000 by the RIAA and also got on his knees for $12,640 from the MPAA.
"

That's not a heck of lot of money for a campaign contribution coming from the filthy rich RI/MP AAs but I guess it still shows a conflict of interest, even if it is small..

I will state for the record that I do not condone piracy but I am in favor of a content model where consumers can get music and movies on demand a reduced price or for free in return for watching ads (hulu-esque).
I find modern DRM distasteful as I buy all my movies and I can't make backups legally.
-rilian</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298637</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great, criticize us with **AA garbage and use BSA numbers to justify it.  Yet forget to mention Canada ranks 17th for <i>lowest</i> piracy rates from BSA stats.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , criticize us with * * AA garbage and use BSA numbers to justify it .
Yet forget to mention Canada ranks 17th for lowest piracy rates from BSA stats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great, criticize us with **AA garbage and use BSA numbers to justify it.
Yet forget to mention Canada ranks 17th for lowest piracy rates from BSA stats.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298521</id>
	<title>The good senator...</title>
	<author>uffe\_nordholm</author>
	<datestamp>1244751780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The good senator may have missed a few points about the Pirate Bay trial.
<br> <br>
Firstly, the guilty verdict has been appealed. I don't think we are likely to see the Swedish Supreme Court pass sentence for a good many years yet. And before the Supreme Court hands out a sentence, I don't think you should consider the matter settled. In fact, even after the Swedish Supreme Court, the accused might appeal to the European court (I'm not sure they have the legal possibility, but they might, and if so I think they will take it).
<br> <br>
Secondly, the judge is suspected of being biased, and because of this the trial might be declared invalid. The reason this suspicion has arisen is that the judge is a member of two organisations whose purpose it is to strengthen copyright and/or trademark (or similar) protection. Among the other members of at least one of these organisations are the legal representatives for the plaintiffs.
<br> <br>
If the trial is declared void, it might be a few years before we get a sentence again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The good senator may have missed a few points about the Pirate Bay trial .
Firstly , the guilty verdict has been appealed .
I do n't think we are likely to see the Swedish Supreme Court pass sentence for a good many years yet .
And before the Supreme Court hands out a sentence , I do n't think you should consider the matter settled .
In fact , even after the Swedish Supreme Court , the accused might appeal to the European court ( I 'm not sure they have the legal possibility , but they might , and if so I think they will take it ) .
Secondly , the judge is suspected of being biased , and because of this the trial might be declared invalid .
The reason this suspicion has arisen is that the judge is a member of two organisations whose purpose it is to strengthen copyright and/or trademark ( or similar ) protection .
Among the other members of at least one of these organisations are the legal representatives for the plaintiffs .
If the trial is declared void , it might be a few years before we get a sentence again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The good senator may have missed a few points about the Pirate Bay trial.
Firstly, the guilty verdict has been appealed.
I don't think we are likely to see the Swedish Supreme Court pass sentence for a good many years yet.
And before the Supreme Court hands out a sentence, I don't think you should consider the matter settled.
In fact, even after the Swedish Supreme Court, the accused might appeal to the European court (I'm not sure they have the legal possibility, but they might, and if so I think they will take it).
Secondly, the judge is suspected of being biased, and because of this the trial might be declared invalid.
The reason this suspicion has arisen is that the judge is a member of two organisations whose purpose it is to strengthen copyright and/or trademark (or similar) protection.
Among the other members of at least one of these organisations are the legal representatives for the plaintiffs.
If the trial is declared void, it might be a few years before we get a sentence again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28303067</id>
	<title>From a Candian...</title>
	<author>DJGrahamJ</author>
	<datestamp>1244729340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.</p></div><p>Glad to hear it, eh! It's amazing what you can do when you get internet in your igloo.
<br> <br>
Guess what Hollywood? Even if I couldn't easily download your movies I would never buy them. They suck. Make something worth watching and maybe I'll bother seeing it in the theater. Or, you know, try making a movie that doesn't need millions of dollars of special effects to make up for the overwhelming lack of creativity.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and local governments $ 2.6 billion in tax revenue.Glad to hear it , eh !
It 's amazing what you can do when you get internet in your igloo .
Guess what Hollywood ?
Even if I could n't easily download your movies I would never buy them .
They suck .
Make something worth watching and maybe I 'll bother seeing it in the theater .
Or , you know , try making a movie that does n't need millions of dollars of special effects to make up for the overwhelming lack of creativity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.Glad to hear it, eh!
It's amazing what you can do when you get internet in your igloo.
Guess what Hollywood?
Even if I couldn't easily download your movies I would never buy them.
They suck.
Make something worth watching and maybe I'll bother seeing it in the theater.
Or, you know, try making a movie that doesn't need millions of dollars of special effects to make up for the overwhelming lack of creativity.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300231</id>
	<title>I wonder...</title>
	<author>n30na</author>
	<datestamp>1244714700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If i pirate something to see if i like it, and then buy it because I do, do I count as a lost sale to them?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If i pirate something to see if i like it , and then buy it because I do , do I count as a lost sale to them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If i pirate something to see if i like it, and then buy it because I do, do I count as a lost sale to them?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298477</id>
	<title>Re:American Imperialsm w/ Entertainment Media?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244751600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I can't believe he admitted it. "After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors."</p></div></blockquote><p>Why can't you believe that he "admitted" that it is in the economic interests of the United States to ensure that its copyright-based industries continue to develop? He is a Senator.  His job is to identify and protect the interests of the citizens of the United States.  That is what all legislators are supposed to do.  There is a lot of debate as to what those interests are and how to protect them, but it would seem silly to sponsor legislation and then pretend that no one's interests are being protected.</p><p>What is sad is how frequently remarks made by politicians are isolated and magnified to overly simplify their positions.  In those same set of remarks, Senator Hatch talks about the problem of orphan works:</p><blockquote><div><p>I also continue to be very active on passing orphan works legislation.<br> <br>
Last year, the Senate unanimously passed bipartisan legislation to encourage the use of orphan works - works that may be protected by copyright but whose owners cannot be identified or located. Countless artistic creations - books, photos, paintings and music - around the country are effectively locked away and unavailable for the general public to enjoy because the owner of the copyright for the work is unknown.<br> <br>
Unfortunately, it often isn't easy to identify or find these owners of copyrighted work. To make matters worse, many are discouraged or reluctant to use these works out of fear of being sued should the owner eventually step forward.<br> <br>
For years, I have been working with industry stakeholders and copyright experts, including Marybeth Peters, Register of Copyrights, to pass orphan works legislation. The bill seeks to unite users and copyright owners, and to ensure that copyright owners are compensated for the use of their works. I couldn't agree more with Register Peters when she said, "A solution to the orphan works problem is overdue and the pending legislation is both fair and responsible."</p></div>
</blockquote><p>You may not agree with every position that the Senator makes, but an interpretation of his positions that is driven by something more than just sound-bites shows that he is interested in protecting more than just the interests of copyright owners.  Finding the best ways of protecting the interests of copyright owners, content producers, distributors, consumers, technological innovators, etc. is a challenging task. Oversimplification of the issues based on the perspective of one interest group doesn't make the task any easier.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe he admitted it .
" After all , US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America 's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors .
" Why ca n't you believe that he " admitted " that it is in the economic interests of the United States to ensure that its copyright-based industries continue to develop ?
He is a Senator .
His job is to identify and protect the interests of the citizens of the United States .
That is what all legislators are supposed to do .
There is a lot of debate as to what those interests are and how to protect them , but it would seem silly to sponsor legislation and then pretend that no one 's interests are being protected.What is sad is how frequently remarks made by politicians are isolated and magnified to overly simplify their positions .
In those same set of remarks , Senator Hatch talks about the problem of orphan works : I also continue to be very active on passing orphan works legislation .
Last year , the Senate unanimously passed bipartisan legislation to encourage the use of orphan works - works that may be protected by copyright but whose owners can not be identified or located .
Countless artistic creations - books , photos , paintings and music - around the country are effectively locked away and unavailable for the general public to enjoy because the owner of the copyright for the work is unknown .
Unfortunately , it often is n't easy to identify or find these owners of copyrighted work .
To make matters worse , many are discouraged or reluctant to use these works out of fear of being sued should the owner eventually step forward .
For years , I have been working with industry stakeholders and copyright experts , including Marybeth Peters , Register of Copyrights , to pass orphan works legislation .
The bill seeks to unite users and copyright owners , and to ensure that copyright owners are compensated for the use of their works .
I could n't agree more with Register Peters when she said , " A solution to the orphan works problem is overdue and the pending legislation is both fair and responsible .
" You may not agree with every position that the Senator makes , but an interpretation of his positions that is driven by something more than just sound-bites shows that he is interested in protecting more than just the interests of copyright owners .
Finding the best ways of protecting the interests of copyright owners , content producers , distributors , consumers , technological innovators , etc .
is a challenging task .
Oversimplification of the issues based on the perspective of one interest group does n't make the task any easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe he admitted it.
"After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors.
"Why can't you believe that he "admitted" that it is in the economic interests of the United States to ensure that its copyright-based industries continue to develop?
He is a Senator.
His job is to identify and protect the interests of the citizens of the United States.
That is what all legislators are supposed to do.
There is a lot of debate as to what those interests are and how to protect them, but it would seem silly to sponsor legislation and then pretend that no one's interests are being protected.What is sad is how frequently remarks made by politicians are isolated and magnified to overly simplify their positions.
In those same set of remarks, Senator Hatch talks about the problem of orphan works:I also continue to be very active on passing orphan works legislation.
Last year, the Senate unanimously passed bipartisan legislation to encourage the use of orphan works - works that may be protected by copyright but whose owners cannot be identified or located.
Countless artistic creations - books, photos, paintings and music - around the country are effectively locked away and unavailable for the general public to enjoy because the owner of the copyright for the work is unknown.
Unfortunately, it often isn't easy to identify or find these owners of copyrighted work.
To make matters worse, many are discouraged or reluctant to use these works out of fear of being sued should the owner eventually step forward.
For years, I have been working with industry stakeholders and copyright experts, including Marybeth Peters, Register of Copyrights, to pass orphan works legislation.
The bill seeks to unite users and copyright owners, and to ensure that copyright owners are compensated for the use of their works.
I couldn't agree more with Register Peters when she said, "A solution to the orphan works problem is overdue and the pending legislation is both fair and responsible.
"
You may not agree with every position that the Senator makes, but an interpretation of his positions that is driven by something more than just sound-bites shows that he is interested in protecting more than just the interests of copyright owners.
Finding the best ways of protecting the interests of copyright owners, content producers, distributors, consumers, technological innovators, etc.
is a challenging task.
Oversimplification of the issues based on the perspective of one interest group doesn't make the task any easier.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298095</id>
	<title>RIAA Tax</title>
	<author>Akido37</author>
	<datestamp>1244750280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, I thought there was a special tax in Canada on blank media that the government just handed over to the RIAA-equivalent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , I thought there was a special tax in Canada on blank media that the government just handed over to the RIAA-equivalent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, I thought there was a special tax in Canada on blank media that the government just handed over to the RIAA-equivalent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298329</id>
	<title>As always follow the money.......</title>
	<author>i\_want\_you\_to\_throw\_</author>
	<datestamp>1244751060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Orrin Hatch has taken over <a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=2010&amp;cid=N00009869&amp;type=I&amp;mem=" title="opensecrets.org">$96,000</a> [opensecrets.org] From the TV/Movies/Music lobby already.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Orrin Hatch has taken over $ 96,000 [ opensecrets.org ] From the TV/Movies/Music lobby already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Orrin Hatch has taken over $96,000 [opensecrets.org] From the TV/Movies/Music lobby already.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300787</id>
	<title>373,375 jobs</title>
	<author>introspekt.i</author>
	<datestamp>1244716500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a lot of gaffers and grips.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a lot of gaffers and grips .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a lot of gaffers and grips.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299401</id>
	<title>Not a Loss -- and other wrong things</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1244711700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here are some thoughts about what the summary says:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors</p></div><p>Let's assume that if it's large, it's important.  I guess that if something is important to you, the downfall of anything that opposes it is good.  But even at the expense of sane legal systems in other countries?  Maybe Orin Hatch should take a word from a party fellow, GWB, about ensuring democracy and Rule of Law in other countries<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>costs the US economy $58 billion in total output, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.</p></div><p>Let's see... the 16.3 billion dollars freed up by not having to be spent on music, I guess people just park them in their bank accounts---right?  Or maybe people spend the money elsewhere, so that other people earn the same money (through jobs) and pay taxes off of them.</p><p>This seems awfully hard to measure.  I'm sure those who came up with the numbers did their due diligence and did this hard measurement, so that the $16.3e9 figure is the difference between money saved on music and money spent on other stuff.</p><p>But I could be hopelessly naive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here are some thoughts about what the summary says : After all , US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America 's largest and fastest-growing economic sectorsLet 's assume that if it 's large , it 's important .
I guess that if something is important to you , the downfall of anything that opposes it is good .
But even at the expense of sane legal systems in other countries ?
Maybe Orin Hatch should take a word from a party fellow , GWB , about ensuring democracy and Rule of Law in other countries ; - ) costs the US economy $ 58 billion in total output , costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $ 16.3 billion in earnings , and costs federal , state , and local governments $ 2.6 billion in tax revenue.Let 's see... the 16.3 billion dollars freed up by not having to be spent on music , I guess people just park them in their bank accounts---right ?
Or maybe people spend the money elsewhere , so that other people earn the same money ( through jobs ) and pay taxes off of them.This seems awfully hard to measure .
I 'm sure those who came up with the numbers did their due diligence and did this hard measurement , so that the $ 16.3e9 figure is the difference between money saved on music and money spent on other stuff.But I could be hopelessly naive ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here are some thoughts about what the summary says:After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectorsLet's assume that if it's large, it's important.
I guess that if something is important to you, the downfall of anything that opposes it is good.
But even at the expense of sane legal systems in other countries?
Maybe Orin Hatch should take a word from a party fellow, GWB, about ensuring democracy and Rule of Law in other countries ;-)costs the US economy $58 billion in total output, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.Let's see... the 16.3 billion dollars freed up by not having to be spent on music, I guess people just park them in their bank accounts---right?
Or maybe people spend the money elsewhere, so that other people earn the same money (through jobs) and pay taxes off of them.This seems awfully hard to measure.
I'm sure those who came up with the numbers did their due diligence and did this hard measurement, so that the $16.3e9 figure is the difference between money saved on music and money spent on other stuff.But I could be hopelessly naive ;-)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297929</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299863</id>
	<title>Re:damn Democrats, whores to Hollywood!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244713380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed they do.  This and privacy issues are why I'd actually vote for a Pirate Party candidate if they ever manage to get on the ballot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed they do .
This and privacy issues are why I 'd actually vote for a Pirate Party candidate if they ever manage to get on the ballot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed they do.
This and privacy issues are why I'd actually vote for a Pirate Party candidate if they ever manage to get on the ballot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298211</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300761</id>
	<title>Orrin Hatch is a Mormon, oops I mean a Moron</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244716440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Orrin Hatch is a brainwashed Moron who doesn't do any thinking for himself.  Having met the man, I can testify that he has lost all ability to empathize.  He sees everything in absolute terms of right and wrong.  He thinks he has God on his side and so he will never make a misjudgement.  The crazy bitch needs to be brought down!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Orrin Hatch is a brainwashed Moron who does n't do any thinking for himself .
Having met the man , I can testify that he has lost all ability to empathize .
He sees everything in absolute terms of right and wrong .
He thinks he has God on his side and so he will never make a misjudgement .
The crazy bitch needs to be brought down !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Orrin Hatch is a brainwashed Moron who doesn't do any thinking for himself.
Having met the man, I can testify that he has lost all ability to empathize.
He sees everything in absolute terms of right and wrong.
He thinks he has God on his side and so he will never make a misjudgement.
The crazy bitch needs to be brought down!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297923</id>
	<title>Well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244749740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He seems to forget that some people can afford those things for reasons beyond their control, or they're so over-priced anyways that people wouldn't normally buy them.

Bottom line, without pirating they'd be lucky to be making a quarter of that amount.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He seems to forget that some people can afford those things for reasons beyond their control , or they 're so over-priced anyways that people would n't normally buy them .
Bottom line , without pirating they 'd be lucky to be making a quarter of that amount .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He seems to forget that some people can afford those things for reasons beyond their control, or they're so over-priced anyways that people wouldn't normally buy them.
Bottom line, without pirating they'd be lucky to be making a quarter of that amount.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28301021</id>
	<title>Should say we lost eleventy kajillion dollars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244717460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"In fact, one study reports that each year, copyright piracy from motion pictures, sound recordings, business and entertainment software, and video games costs the US economy $58 billion in total output, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue"</p><p>From the US department of numbers-and-statistics-I-just-pulled-out-of-my-ass</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" In fact , one study reports that each year , copyright piracy from motion pictures , sound recordings , business and entertainment software , and video games costs the US economy $ 58 billion in total output , costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $ 16.3 billion in earnings , and costs federal , state , and local governments $ 2.6 billion in tax revenue " From the US department of numbers-and-statistics-I-just-pulled-out-of-my-ass</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"In fact, one study reports that each year, copyright piracy from motion pictures, sound recordings, business and entertainment software, and video games costs the US economy $58 billion in total output, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue"From the US department of numbers-and-statistics-I-just-pulled-out-of-my-ass</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299493</id>
	<title>Re:Lack of Understanding of Economics?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244712060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>STFU.</p><p>Sincerely,<br>RIAA</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>STFU.Sincerely,RIAA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>STFU.Sincerely,RIAA</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299807</id>
	<title>Re:Some things the Senator needs to understand.</title>
	<author>slashing1</author>
	<datestamp>1244713200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Some things the Senator needs to understand: </p><p>
1/ Other countries are INDEPENDENT and the United States has no authority to dictate to them.
</p></div><p>This is an interesting claim; it sounds very much like what Iran, North Korea, and the previous U.S. administration believe[d]. We're an independent country, we can pursue nukes, torture, and whatnot, and no other country has the authority to dictate to us.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some things the Senator needs to understand : 1/ Other countries are INDEPENDENT and the United States has no authority to dictate to them .
This is an interesting claim ; it sounds very much like what Iran , North Korea , and the previous U.S. administration believe [ d ] .
We 're an independent country , we can pursue nukes , torture , and whatnot , and no other country has the authority to dictate to us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some things the Senator needs to understand: 
1/ Other countries are INDEPENDENT and the United States has no authority to dictate to them.
This is an interesting claim; it sounds very much like what Iran, North Korea, and the previous U.S. administration believe[d].
We're an independent country, we can pursue nukes, torture, and whatnot, and no other country has the authority to dictate to us.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298829</id>
	<title>Down the Hatch</title>
	<author>Drakkenmensch</author>
	<datestamp>1244752920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Senator Hatch's position is no surprise. He's been a thorn on personal freedom's side for years, and a complete sellout to the media corporations. Would it surprise you to know that Orrin Hatch endorses having the computer industry build mandatory self-destruct mechanisms in computers, remote controlled by the RIAA?<p>

<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/930731/posts" title="freerepublic.com">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/930731/posts</a> [freerepublic.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Senator Hatch 's position is no surprise .
He 's been a thorn on personal freedom 's side for years , and a complete sellout to the media corporations .
Would it surprise you to know that Orrin Hatch endorses having the computer industry build mandatory self-destruct mechanisms in computers , remote controlled by the RIAA ?
http : //www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/930731/posts [ freerepublic.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Senator Hatch's position is no surprise.
He's been a thorn on personal freedom's side for years, and a complete sellout to the media corporations.
Would it surprise you to know that Orrin Hatch endorses having the computer industry build mandatory self-destruct mechanisms in computers, remote controlled by the RIAA?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/930731/posts [freerepublic.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299943</id>
	<title>The job calculations moreso</title>
	<author>JerryLove</author>
	<datestamp>1244713680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even looking at real losses (the person who would have baught the movie), certainly not all of those profits would go into hiring more people to do more work. In many cases, they represent better incomes for stock-holders and those who have residuals.</p><p>Also: It's not like the person who didn't spend $25 on that BluRay (likely manufacturered in China) is going to set the money on fire. He will spend it somewhere else.</p><p>Buying movies legitemately may cost jobs too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even looking at real losses ( the person who would have baught the movie ) , certainly not all of those profits would go into hiring more people to do more work .
In many cases , they represent better incomes for stock-holders and those who have residuals.Also : It 's not like the person who did n't spend $ 25 on that BluRay ( likely manufacturered in China ) is going to set the money on fire .
He will spend it somewhere else.Buying movies legitemately may cost jobs too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even looking at real losses (the person who would have baught the movie), certainly not all of those profits would go into hiring more people to do more work.
In many cases, they represent better incomes for stock-holders and those who have residuals.Also: It's not like the person who didn't spend $25 on that BluRay (likely manufacturered in China) is going to set the money on fire.
He will spend it somewhere else.Buying movies legitemately may cost jobs too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28303163</id>
	<title>Wake up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244730180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We don't care. We don't care that we're destroying jobs and profit margins.</p><p>We don't care that you label us pirates.</p><p>We don't care about your campaigns to label us criminals and thieves.</p><p>When the movie and music industry goes under, or the internet goes offline,</p><p>We will find other free forms of entertainment.</p><p>We don't care about you... you're just a passing fad, any distraction will do.</p><p>You are not entitled to our earnings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't care .
We do n't care that we 're destroying jobs and profit margins.We do n't care that you label us pirates.We do n't care about your campaigns to label us criminals and thieves.When the movie and music industry goes under , or the internet goes offline,We will find other free forms of entertainment.We do n't care about you... you 're just a passing fad , any distraction will do.You are not entitled to our earnings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't care.
We don't care that we're destroying jobs and profit margins.We don't care that you label us pirates.We don't care about your campaigns to label us criminals and thieves.When the movie and music industry goes under, or the internet goes offline,We will find other free forms of entertainment.We don't care about you... you're just a passing fad, any distraction will do.You are not entitled to our earnings.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299803</id>
	<title>Re:On that note</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244713200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other news, consumers spent $58 billion after savings due to pirating copyrighted works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news , consumers spent $ 58 billion after savings due to pirating copyrighted works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news, consumers spent $58 billion after savings due to pirating copyrighted works.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28306327</id>
	<title>Re:Orin Hatch doesn't understand the law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244811420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Hatch rather reminds me of my ex-wife who believed that anything that made her angry must be against the law and so was inclined to call the police to resolve it."</p><p>There is probably a really funny story that you are leaving out of that aside.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Hatch rather reminds me of my ex-wife who believed that anything that made her angry must be against the law and so was inclined to call the police to resolve it .
" There is probably a really funny story that you are leaving out of that aside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hatch rather reminds me of my ex-wife who believed that anything that made her angry must be against the law and so was inclined to call the police to resolve it.
"There is probably a really funny story that you are leaving out of that aside.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298401</id>
	<title>How do they calculate that # of jobs?</title>
	<author>amigabill</author>
	<datestamp>1244751300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd love to understand their algorithm for determining that 373,375 American jobs are affected by this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd love to understand their algorithm for determining that 373,375 American jobs are affected by this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd love to understand their algorithm for determining that 373,375 American jobs are affected by this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28304631</id>
	<title>Pure Bull Shit</title>
	<author>tuxgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1244745600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>'In fact, one study reports that each year, copyright piracy from motion pictures, sound recordings, business and entertainment software, and video games costs the US economy $58 billion in total output, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.</p></div></blockquote><p>And this is all complete bullshit that Mr. Hatch pulled out of his ass.<br>"373,375 workers lost their jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings", because some people make backup copies of their CD &amp; DVD disks?<br>Come on now Mr. Hatch, I've heard you say some smart things on occasion, this isn't one of them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'In fact , one study reports that each year , copyright piracy from motion pictures , sound recordings , business and entertainment software , and video games costs the US economy $ 58 billion in total output , costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $ 16.3 billion in earnings , and costs federal , state , and local governments $ 2.6 billion in tax revenue.And this is all complete bullshit that Mr. Hatch pulled out of his ass .
" 373,375 workers lost their jobs and $ 16.3 billion in earnings " , because some people make backup copies of their CD &amp; DVD disks ? Come on now Mr. Hatch , I 've heard you say some smart things on occasion , this is n't one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'In fact, one study reports that each year, copyright piracy from motion pictures, sound recordings, business and entertainment software, and video games costs the US economy $58 billion in total output, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.And this is all complete bullshit that Mr. Hatch pulled out of his ass.
"373,375 workers lost their jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings", because some people make backup copies of their CD &amp; DVD disks?Come on now Mr. Hatch, I've heard you say some smart things on occasion, this isn't one of them.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300547</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>NerveGas</author>
	<datestamp>1244715660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't even need to think about bribes.  He's recorded an album, and fancies himself as an artist.</p><p>Don't forget that this is the man who advocating being able to remotely *destroy* computers of *suspected* "pirates".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't even need to think about bribes .
He 's recorded an album , and fancies himself as an artist.Do n't forget that this is the man who advocating being able to remotely * destroy * computers of * suspected * " pirates " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't even need to think about bribes.
He's recorded an album, and fancies himself as an artist.Don't forget that this is the man who advocating being able to remotely *destroy* computers of *suspected* "pirates".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298421</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299359</id>
	<title>Welcome to the restricted states of america...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244711580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Canada</p><p>- Seems to be the new Land of the free and the home of the brave!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Canada- Seems to be the new Land of the free and the home of the brave !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Canada- Seems to be the new Land of the free and the home of the brave!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298509</id>
	<title>"In this troubled economy..."</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1244751720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good god.  #1 The banks and investment firms that didn't get involved in the mortgage backed securities nonsense are doing JUST FINE.  And it appears that the real problem is the phony money that is being made in the markets.  If the U.S. had the same strong manufacturing base that we once had, we would not be nearly as affected as we have been.  All of our manufacturing is sent overseas and now our value is is based on how much money we move around.  And when the markets crash, the value of our money crashes right along with it.  So then what do we have to rebuild with?  Not much.  That's why we are seeing cars of all types being sold at 50\% or more off MSRP today.</p><p>And here's the kicker -- we know what the causes are and have been.  Nothing has been done to prevent it from happening again.  They want to prop things back up and get back to partying like it was 1999.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good god .
# 1 The banks and investment firms that did n't get involved in the mortgage backed securities nonsense are doing JUST FINE .
And it appears that the real problem is the phony money that is being made in the markets .
If the U.S. had the same strong manufacturing base that we once had , we would not be nearly as affected as we have been .
All of our manufacturing is sent overseas and now our value is is based on how much money we move around .
And when the markets crash , the value of our money crashes right along with it .
So then what do we have to rebuild with ?
Not much .
That 's why we are seeing cars of all types being sold at 50 \ % or more off MSRP today.And here 's the kicker -- we know what the causes are and have been .
Nothing has been done to prevent it from happening again .
They want to prop things back up and get back to partying like it was 1999 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good god.
#1 The banks and investment firms that didn't get involved in the mortgage backed securities nonsense are doing JUST FINE.
And it appears that the real problem is the phony money that is being made in the markets.
If the U.S. had the same strong manufacturing base that we once had, we would not be nearly as affected as we have been.
All of our manufacturing is sent overseas and now our value is is based on how much money we move around.
And when the markets crash, the value of our money crashes right along with it.
So then what do we have to rebuild with?
Not much.
That's why we are seeing cars of all types being sold at 50\% or more off MSRP today.And here's the kicker -- we know what the causes are and have been.
Nothing has been done to prevent it from happening again.
They want to prop things back up and get back to partying like it was 1999.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298057</id>
	<title>Haha, love those stats</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that like the "15 pounds of pot found!" busts where the dude had one puny 10cm plant that happened to be in a 15 pound planter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that like the " 15 pounds of pot found !
" busts where the dude had one puny 10cm plant that happened to be in a 15 pound planter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that like the "15 pounds of pot found!
" busts where the dude had one puny 10cm plant that happened to be in a 15 pound planter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298267</id>
	<title>I know $19k sounds like a lot of money...</title>
	<author>mellon</author>
	<datestamp>1244750760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...but it's a drop in the bucket in a senate election.   So while I am just as annoyed at Senator Hatch as the next geek, I think accusing him of being bought is probably tactically stupid.   First, because it's probably not true.   Second, because there's probably another reason he holds this particular position.   And third, because he probably actually believes what he's saying.</p><p>There are two ways to get him to stop being such a powerful advocate for copyright interests.   One is to get him replaced.   The other is to get him to change his mind.   Getting him replaced is going to be really, really hard.   But by all means, go for it.   Only I really doubt the average Utahn is going to vote him out on the basis of his position on copyright, even if they disagree with him.   So that's a really big job.</p><p>The other possibility is that you could get him to come around to seeing how much economic damage the RIAA and MPAA positions are doing to our economy.   I think that's pretty hard too.   But maybe not impossible.   But one thing that is impossible is that you will get him to even listen to you if you start talking about how he's blowing the MPAA to get campaign contributions.   The electoral system works the way it works.   I want it to change as much as you do.   But it's not going to change because you make nasty accusations.   It's going to change because you work for it, or not at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...but it 's a drop in the bucket in a senate election .
So while I am just as annoyed at Senator Hatch as the next geek , I think accusing him of being bought is probably tactically stupid .
First , because it 's probably not true .
Second , because there 's probably another reason he holds this particular position .
And third , because he probably actually believes what he 's saying.There are two ways to get him to stop being such a powerful advocate for copyright interests .
One is to get him replaced .
The other is to get him to change his mind .
Getting him replaced is going to be really , really hard .
But by all means , go for it .
Only I really doubt the average Utahn is going to vote him out on the basis of his position on copyright , even if they disagree with him .
So that 's a really big job.The other possibility is that you could get him to come around to seeing how much economic damage the RIAA and MPAA positions are doing to our economy .
I think that 's pretty hard too .
But maybe not impossible .
But one thing that is impossible is that you will get him to even listen to you if you start talking about how he 's blowing the MPAA to get campaign contributions .
The electoral system works the way it works .
I want it to change as much as you do .
But it 's not going to change because you make nasty accusations .
It 's going to change because you work for it , or not at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but it's a drop in the bucket in a senate election.
So while I am just as annoyed at Senator Hatch as the next geek, I think accusing him of being bought is probably tactically stupid.
First, because it's probably not true.
Second, because there's probably another reason he holds this particular position.
And third, because he probably actually believes what he's saying.There are two ways to get him to stop being such a powerful advocate for copyright interests.
One is to get him replaced.
The other is to get him to change his mind.
Getting him replaced is going to be really, really hard.
But by all means, go for it.
Only I really doubt the average Utahn is going to vote him out on the basis of his position on copyright, even if they disagree with him.
So that's a really big job.The other possibility is that you could get him to come around to seeing how much economic damage the RIAA and MPAA positions are doing to our economy.
I think that's pretty hard too.
But maybe not impossible.
But one thing that is impossible is that you will get him to even listen to you if you start talking about how he's blowing the MPAA to get campaign contributions.
The electoral system works the way it works.
I want it to change as much as you do.
But it's not going to change because you make nasty accusations.
It's going to change because you work for it, or not at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299171</id>
	<title>Re:American Imperialsm w/ Entertainment Media?</title>
	<author>Steauengeglase</author>
	<datestamp>1244710800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, I've got it. We'll push the idea of futures in the entertainment market. Hatch, being a Republican, will break his neck trying to push for that kind of deregulation. After 6 years of people blowing countless billion on potential albums and movies the entire market implodes. Two birds with one stone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , I 've got it .
We 'll push the idea of futures in the entertainment market .
Hatch , being a Republican , will break his neck trying to push for that kind of deregulation .
After 6 years of people blowing countless billion on potential albums and movies the entire market implodes .
Two birds with one stone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, I've got it.
We'll push the idea of futures in the entertainment market.
Hatch, being a Republican, will break his neck trying to push for that kind of deregulation.
After 6 years of people blowing countless billion on potential albums and movies the entire market implodes.
Two birds with one stone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297947</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298609</id>
	<title>Re:Blame Canada</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What have facts to do with it? WhOrin's constituency is the media industry, he's representing those who (cough...cough...) funded his election.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What have facts to do with it ?
WhOrin 's constituency is the media industry , he 's representing those who ( cough...cough... ) funded his election .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What have facts to do with it?
WhOrin's constituency is the media industry, he's representing those who (cough...cough...) funded his election.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298059</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299745</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244712960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... who quoted them from some other guy who calculated for inflation from some numbers he heard some other guy quote from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>... the homework I happened to turn in late, that one time in second grade when my family had visited relatives in Norway. Let me just start by saying how sorry I am that those numbers where grossly inflated, in part due to my misunderstanding of how the decimal system works.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... who quoted them from some other guy who calculated for inflation from some numbers he heard some other guy quote from ...... the homework I happened to turn in late , that one time in second grade when my family had visited relatives in Norway .
Let me just start by saying how sorry I am that those numbers where grossly inflated , in part due to my misunderstanding of how the decimal system works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... who quoted them from some other guy who calculated for inflation from some numbers he heard some other guy quote from ...... the homework I happened to turn in late, that one time in second grade when my family had visited relatives in Norway.
Let me just start by saying how sorry I am that those numbers where grossly inflated, in part due to my misunderstanding of how the decimal system works.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298119</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299653</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA Tax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244712600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right You are. In Canada you pay a tax on blank media that is give to the RIAA, MPAA (or more correctly their Canadian branches) and some software alliance. It doesn't matter what you do with the media. Record your own music, distribute your own software or make your own movie these guys make money regardless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right You are .
In Canada you pay a tax on blank media that is give to the RIAA , MPAA ( or more correctly their Canadian branches ) and some software alliance .
It does n't matter what you do with the media .
Record your own music , distribute your own software or make your own movie these guys make money regardless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right You are.
In Canada you pay a tax on blank media that is give to the RIAA, MPAA (or more correctly their Canadian branches) and some software alliance.
It doesn't matter what you do with the media.
Record your own music, distribute your own software or make your own movie these guys make money regardless.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298095</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298105</id>
	<title>Suck it, Theives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Next time you cocksuckers want to goon one of your P2P stealing binges you might want to think twice.</p><p>Orin Hatch is looking for you, and he is already semi-erect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Next time you cocksuckers want to goon one of your P2P stealing binges you might want to think twice.Orin Hatch is looking for you , and he is already semi-erect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next time you cocksuckers want to goon one of your P2P stealing binges you might want to think twice.Orin Hatch is looking for you, and he is already semi-erect.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297923</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298063</id>
	<title>Wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey, Orrin. Just an FYI - those numbers have been proven wrong, on numerous occasions by numerous sources. And not wrong in the "close but not quite accurate" sense - wrong as in "so far off from any vague hint of accuracy as to be laughable." You keep quoting numbers that are being fed to you by the MPAA and RIAA and they're making you look stupid. You might want to have one of your staff members do a smidge of research so you don't look quite so idiotic. Oh, and when you spout off these incorrect numbers, it weakens any other point you may have by association. But, hey, you enjoy that new deck that the RIAA/MPAA donation allowed you to add to your country home.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , Orrin .
Just an FYI - those numbers have been proven wrong , on numerous occasions by numerous sources .
And not wrong in the " close but not quite accurate " sense - wrong as in " so far off from any vague hint of accuracy as to be laughable .
" You keep quoting numbers that are being fed to you by the MPAA and RIAA and they 're making you look stupid .
You might want to have one of your staff members do a smidge of research so you do n't look quite so idiotic .
Oh , and when you spout off these incorrect numbers , it weakens any other point you may have by association .
But , hey , you enjoy that new deck that the RIAA/MPAA donation allowed you to add to your country home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, Orrin.
Just an FYI - those numbers have been proven wrong, on numerous occasions by numerous sources.
And not wrong in the "close but not quite accurate" sense - wrong as in "so far off from any vague hint of accuracy as to be laughable.
" You keep quoting numbers that are being fed to you by the MPAA and RIAA and they're making you look stupid.
You might want to have one of your staff members do a smidge of research so you don't look quite so idiotic.
Oh, and when you spout off these incorrect numbers, it weakens any other point you may have by association.
But, hey, you enjoy that new deck that the RIAA/MPAA donation allowed you to add to your country home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299985</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1244713800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So those loss calculations are wrong</p></div><p>You have a flawed argument. Numbers out of thin air != calculations.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So those loss calculations are wrongYou have a flawed argument .
Numbers out of thin air ! = calculations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So those loss calculations are wrongYou have a flawed argument.
Numbers out of thin air != calculations.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297929</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299201</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong</title>
	<author>SwordsmanLuke</author>
	<datestamp>1244710920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, Orrin's an idiot with no understanding of technical issues.  That doesn't stop him from mouthing off about them though.  I recall once - during a session about some cyber-security bill - when he asked why we don't just upload counter-attack viruses to the "hackers" spreading the viruses in the first place.  Ignoring the lack of technical understanding, it worried me then (as now) that he didn't seem to comprehend the <i>legal</i> ramifications of what he was suggesting.  <br> <br>As one of the rare non-R's in Utah, I voted against him every chance I got - for all the good it did.  8^\</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , Orrin 's an idiot with no understanding of technical issues .
That does n't stop him from mouthing off about them though .
I recall once - during a session about some cyber-security bill - when he asked why we do n't just upload counter-attack viruses to the " hackers " spreading the viruses in the first place .
Ignoring the lack of technical understanding , it worried me then ( as now ) that he did n't seem to comprehend the legal ramifications of what he was suggesting .
As one of the rare non-R 's in Utah , I voted against him every chance I got - for all the good it did .
8 ^ \</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, Orrin's an idiot with no understanding of technical issues.
That doesn't stop him from mouthing off about them though.
I recall once - during a session about some cyber-security bill - when he asked why we don't just upload counter-attack viruses to the "hackers" spreading the viruses in the first place.
Ignoring the lack of technical understanding, it worried me then (as now) that he didn't seem to comprehend the legal ramifications of what he was suggesting.
As one of the rare non-R's in Utah, I voted against him every chance I got - for all the good it did.
8^\</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298063</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28302005</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>gilgongo</author>
	<datestamp>1244721720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>you can't know what the net effect is of non-paid non-authorized downloads</i></p><p>Here's a true story:</p><p>When my son was 6, his friends showed him an Indiana Jones Lego kit and he really liked it. After a while I realised he'd never seen the films and without much thought I downloaded one and showed it to him just to see what he thought (he's fickle). He loved it. So much so that we've probably spend about $200 on Indie merchandising of various kinds in the last 18 months, and still buying. He may never had got to that level had he not seen the film, and I may well not have been bothered to buy/rent it for him.</p><p>Of course, the marketing behemoth of Indian Jones Inc, may well have hoovered him up eventually, but who's to say he might not have gone for something else, something smaller - Japanimation or whatever?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you ca n't know what the net effect is of non-paid non-authorized downloadsHere 's a true story : When my son was 6 , his friends showed him an Indiana Jones Lego kit and he really liked it .
After a while I realised he 'd never seen the films and without much thought I downloaded one and showed it to him just to see what he thought ( he 's fickle ) .
He loved it .
So much so that we 've probably spend about $ 200 on Indie merchandising of various kinds in the last 18 months , and still buying .
He may never had got to that level had he not seen the film , and I may well not have been bothered to buy/rent it for him.Of course , the marketing behemoth of Indian Jones Inc , may well have hoovered him up eventually , but who 's to say he might not have gone for something else , something smaller - Japanimation or whatever ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you can't know what the net effect is of non-paid non-authorized downloadsHere's a true story:When my son was 6, his friends showed him an Indiana Jones Lego kit and he really liked it.
After a while I realised he'd never seen the films and without much thought I downloaded one and showed it to him just to see what he thought (he's fickle).
He loved it.
So much so that we've probably spend about $200 on Indie merchandising of various kinds in the last 18 months, and still buying.
He may never had got to that level had he not seen the film, and I may well not have been bothered to buy/rent it for him.Of course, the marketing behemoth of Indian Jones Inc, may well have hoovered him up eventually, but who's to say he might not have gone for something else, something smaller - Japanimation or whatever?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298835</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297929</id>
	<title>Not a Loss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244749740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If someone download a movie, game or song doesn't mean they would have paid for it if they couldn't. So those loss calculations are wrong</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone download a movie , game or song does n't mean they would have paid for it if they could n't .
So those loss calculations are wrong</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone download a movie, game or song doesn't mean they would have paid for it if they couldn't.
So those loss calculations are wrong</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299387</id>
	<title>"traditional physical piracy" ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244711640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh really?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh really?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299317</id>
	<title>Orrin the Loonie Hatch</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1244711400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>       Maybe we should just rename him Booby Hatch! This creep has been on the wrong side of almost every issue since the dawn of time. He is too old, too evil and just plain stupid so naturally he has some power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe we should just rename him Booby Hatch !
This creep has been on the wrong side of almost every issue since the dawn of time .
He is too old , too evil and just plain stupid so naturally he has some power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>       Maybe we should just rename him Booby Hatch!
This creep has been on the wrong side of almost every issue since the dawn of time.
He is too old, too evil and just plain stupid so naturally he has some power.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299225</id>
	<title>Porno?</title>
	<author>mrsteveman1</author>
	<datestamp>1244711040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>GamePolitics notes that for his 2006 campaign, Hatch was rented for $7,000 by the RIAA and also got on his knees for $12,640 from the MPAA."</p></div><p>I think I speak for everyone when I ask "Did they film it?"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>GamePolitics notes that for his 2006 campaign , Hatch was rented for $ 7,000 by the RIAA and also got on his knees for $ 12,640 from the MPAA .
" I think I speak for everyone when I ask " Did they film it ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GamePolitics notes that for his 2006 campaign, Hatch was rented for $7,000 by the RIAA and also got on his knees for $12,640 from the MPAA.
"I think I speak for everyone when I ask "Did they film it?
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299383</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244711640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I stole a car once. Hey it's not like I was gonna buy it anyway, right? I mean, I usually walk everywhere, not to mention I just don't like cars. That makes it OK. right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I stole a car once .
Hey it 's not like I was gon na buy it anyway , right ?
I mean , I usually walk everywhere , not to mention I just do n't like cars .
That makes it OK. right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I stole a car once.
Hey it's not like I was gonna buy it anyway, right?
I mean, I usually walk everywhere, not to mention I just don't like cars.
That makes it OK. right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297929</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300529</id>
	<title>It's funny</title>
	<author>sheldon</author>
	<datestamp>1244715600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Prior to 2003, Orin Hatch was frequently heralded here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. as a great defender of consumer rights because he was always bashing on Hilary Rosen.</p><p>Then suddenly when they replaced Rosen with Mitch Bainwol, Hatch changed his tune.  Now he was the greatest champion of everything the RIAA asked for.</p><p>One only needs to look up the political affiliations of Rosen and Bainwol to understand why.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Prior to 2003 , Orin Hatch was frequently heralded here on / .
as a great defender of consumer rights because he was always bashing on Hilary Rosen.Then suddenly when they replaced Rosen with Mitch Bainwol , Hatch changed his tune .
Now he was the greatest champion of everything the RIAA asked for.One only needs to look up the political affiliations of Rosen and Bainwol to understand why .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prior to 2003, Orin Hatch was frequently heralded here on /.
as a great defender of consumer rights because he was always bashing on Hilary Rosen.Then suddenly when they replaced Rosen with Mitch Bainwol, Hatch changed his tune.
Now he was the greatest champion of everything the RIAA asked for.One only needs to look up the political affiliations of Rosen and Bainwol to understand why.
:-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28316791</id>
	<title>Stupidity displayed by Senator Orrin Hatch</title>
	<author>lsatenstein</author>
	<datestamp>1244820480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Canada, a population 1/10th that of the USA, with a less developed telecom sector, has set up industries to download and counterfeit music CDs. We then create Canadian Spellings for the labels, adding in the extra letter u, where it was left out, and substitution the z and s back to where it belongs.

And the senator believes that electronic digital drums, and other instruments are of interest.

From what I see, teenagers buy their music from the web, and do not know or have the means to transfer it from one ipod to another.

We old farts still use vinyl 33 rpms, and full stereo orchestrial music. Not the big boom boom boom crap we here in the 3000 watt base speakers built-in to teenager cars.

No Senator, good music would result in sales of cds and dvds. Poor music results in no-sales.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Canada , a population 1/10th that of the USA , with a less developed telecom sector , has set up industries to download and counterfeit music CDs .
We then create Canadian Spellings for the labels , adding in the extra letter u , where it was left out , and substitution the z and s back to where it belongs .
And the senator believes that electronic digital drums , and other instruments are of interest .
From what I see , teenagers buy their music from the web , and do not know or have the means to transfer it from one ipod to another .
We old farts still use vinyl 33 rpms , and full stereo orchestrial music .
Not the big boom boom boom crap we here in the 3000 watt base speakers built-in to teenager cars .
No Senator , good music would result in sales of cds and dvds .
Poor music results in no-sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Canada, a population 1/10th that of the USA, with a less developed telecom sector, has set up industries to download and counterfeit music CDs.
We then create Canadian Spellings for the labels, adding in the extra letter u, where it was left out, and substitution the z and s back to where it belongs.
And the senator believes that electronic digital drums, and other instruments are of interest.
From what I see, teenagers buy their music from the web, and do not know or have the means to transfer it from one ipod to another.
We old farts still use vinyl 33 rpms, and full stereo orchestrial music.
Not the big boom boom boom crap we here in the 3000 watt base speakers built-in to teenager cars.
No Senator, good music would result in sales of cds and dvds.
Poor music results in no-sales.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298943</id>
	<title>Re:Lack of Understanding of Economics?</title>
	<author>diablillo</author>
	<datestamp>1244753220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ummm, I don't think a tree has lightbulbs</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ummm , I do n't think a tree has lightbulbs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ummm, I don't think a tree has lightbulbs</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298213</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28301983</id>
	<title>Copyrignt is government intervention</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244721660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>in the free market.</p><p>It also requires that the government tell you what YOU can do with YOUR property.</p><p>Both of which were HUGE in Socialist Russia.</p><p>Oh, and to enforce it means you need to watch ALL the citizens.</p><p>Which was something Stalin had a boner for too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in the free market.It also requires that the government tell you what YOU can do with YOUR property.Both of which were HUGE in Socialist Russia.Oh , and to enforce it means you need to watch ALL the citizens.Which was something Stalin had a boner for too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in the free market.It also requires that the government tell you what YOU can do with YOUR property.Both of which were HUGE in Socialist Russia.Oh, and to enforce it means you need to watch ALL the citizens.Which was something Stalin had a boner for too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299695</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300073</id>
	<title>Re:Piracy cost more than thier revenue? Wait what?</title>
	<author>jcnnghm</author>
	<datestamp>1244714100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You understand that copyright covers more than just entertainment?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You understand that copyright covers more than just entertainment ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You understand that copyright covers more than just entertainment?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298633</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298963</id>
	<title>Re:Lack of Understanding of Economics?</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1244753280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Okay, maybe I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, but if Americans aren't spending money on mp3s and downloaded movies, aren't they instead spending that money elsewhere? We have one of the lowest savings rates in the world, so it's not like the money is disappearing into our savings accounts.</i>
<br>
<br>
The thing is, America still produces a lot of entertainment, so the money paid for it tends to stick around in America.  Just about everything else you can buy is being sold to you by another country.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , maybe I 'm not the brightest bulb on the tree , but if Americans are n't spending money on mp3s and downloaded movies , are n't they instead spending that money elsewhere ?
We have one of the lowest savings rates in the world , so it 's not like the money is disappearing into our savings accounts .
The thing is , America still produces a lot of entertainment , so the money paid for it tends to stick around in America .
Just about everything else you can buy is being sold to you by another country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, maybe I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, but if Americans aren't spending money on mp3s and downloaded movies, aren't they instead spending that money elsewhere?
We have one of the lowest savings rates in the world, so it's not like the money is disappearing into our savings accounts.
The thing is, America still produces a lot of entertainment, so the money paid for it tends to stick around in America.
Just about everything else you can buy is being sold to you by another country.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298213</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28308041</id>
	<title>obligatory</title>
	<author>Kashgarinn</author>
	<datestamp>1244820900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAlADlTzDZ4" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAlADlTzDZ4</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = HAlADlTzDZ4 [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAlADlTzDZ4 [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298421</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298239</id>
	<title>Job Figures are BS</title>
	<author>ultraexactzz</author>
	<datestamp>1244750640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll note only that the $16.3 Billion in lost wages is just the payroll portion of the $58 Billion (about 30\%), and that the jobs shown are the payroll divided by the average salary in the industry - about $43,500 according to the latest economic census numbers I can find. I can't imagine that 373,375 people have actually lost their jobs because someone downloaded Wolverine. Does that industry even have that many jobs in the US, since so many productions go to Vancouver?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll note only that the $ 16.3 Billion in lost wages is just the payroll portion of the $ 58 Billion ( about 30 \ % ) , and that the jobs shown are the payroll divided by the average salary in the industry - about $ 43,500 according to the latest economic census numbers I can find .
I ca n't imagine that 373,375 people have actually lost their jobs because someone downloaded Wolverine .
Does that industry even have that many jobs in the US , since so many productions go to Vancouver ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll note only that the $16.3 Billion in lost wages is just the payroll portion of the $58 Billion (about 30\%), and that the jobs shown are the payroll divided by the average salary in the industry - about $43,500 according to the latest economic census numbers I can find.
I can't imagine that 373,375 people have actually lost their jobs because someone downloaded Wolverine.
Does that industry even have that many jobs in the US, since so many productions go to Vancouver?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300415</id>
	<title>Re:It often is a loss, and here's why</title>
	<author>Sj0</author>
	<datestamp>1244715240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a marketing problem, not a legal one.</p><p>I bought all MC Frontalot's albums last week, even though I could easily have downloaded them for free.</p><p>Why?</p><p>1. I'm not morally against giving MC Frontalot money. Not so with the RIAA.<br>2. I think the artist will get the majority of the money I paid. Not so with the RIAA.<br>3. I want to feel all smug and superior. Can't feel that paying the RIAA.<br>4. He asked me to, nicely. Not so with the RIAA.</p><p>I've spent thousands in the past year on copyrighted material, but only in cases like these where it feels valuable for me to, and where I'm not morally opposed to giving the organization responsible money.</p><p>Publishers need to start realising they're hurting themselves by making a direct correlation between "buy product" and "have democratic process circumvented to my extreme disadvantage with my own money". I'm not giving them money so they can hire jackbooted thugs to beat me up, and I'm not giving them money so they can hack my computer for their benefit when I pop in their CD, and I'm not giving them money so they can have the FBI threaten me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a marketing problem , not a legal one.I bought all MC Frontalot 's albums last week , even though I could easily have downloaded them for free.Why ? 1 .
I 'm not morally against giving MC Frontalot money .
Not so with the RIAA.2 .
I think the artist will get the majority of the money I paid .
Not so with the RIAA.3 .
I want to feel all smug and superior .
Ca n't feel that paying the RIAA.4 .
He asked me to , nicely .
Not so with the RIAA.I 've spent thousands in the past year on copyrighted material , but only in cases like these where it feels valuable for me to , and where I 'm not morally opposed to giving the organization responsible money.Publishers need to start realising they 're hurting themselves by making a direct correlation between " buy product " and " have democratic process circumvented to my extreme disadvantage with my own money " .
I 'm not giving them money so they can hire jackbooted thugs to beat me up , and I 'm not giving them money so they can hack my computer for their benefit when I pop in their CD , and I 'm not giving them money so they can have the FBI threaten me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a marketing problem, not a legal one.I bought all MC Frontalot's albums last week, even though I could easily have downloaded them for free.Why?1.
I'm not morally against giving MC Frontalot money.
Not so with the RIAA.2.
I think the artist will get the majority of the money I paid.
Not so with the RIAA.3.
I want to feel all smug and superior.
Can't feel that paying the RIAA.4.
He asked me to, nicely.
Not so with the RIAA.I've spent thousands in the past year on copyrighted material, but only in cases like these where it feels valuable for me to, and where I'm not morally opposed to giving the organization responsible money.Publishers need to start realising they're hurting themselves by making a direct correlation between "buy product" and "have democratic process circumvented to my extreme disadvantage with my own money".
I'm not giving them money so they can hire jackbooted thugs to beat me up, and I'm not giving them money so they can hack my computer for their benefit when I pop in their CD, and I'm not giving them money so they can have the FBI threaten me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298473</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300539</id>
	<title>Copyright my ass</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm gonna copyright my ass (it's one of a kind) and charge the Music and Film industry 5 bucks to kiss it. I'm sick of paying for cd's that only have that one good single on it to find out the rest is crap. I want to sample it first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm gon na copyright my ass ( it 's one of a kind ) and charge the Music and Film industry 5 bucks to kiss it .
I 'm sick of paying for cd 's that only have that one good single on it to find out the rest is crap .
I want to sample it first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm gonna copyright my ass (it's one of a kind) and charge the Music and Film industry 5 bucks to kiss it.
I'm sick of paying for cd's that only have that one good single on it to find out the rest is crap.
I want to sample it first.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28301829</id>
	<title>Re:Blame Canada</title>
	<author>Sj0</author>
	<datestamp>1244721000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Our American way of life. Isn't it grand?</p><p>Peace, Freedom, and bacon and eggs; Seems perfect, but what if it's not?</p><p>Friends, your future may not be a secure as you think. Where will you be when the atomic bombs fall?</p><p>You can secure your family's future by reserving your spot in a state of the art underground vault from Vault-tec.</p><p>That's right Bob! Act now, and your family can wait out the horrors of nuclear devastation. And Dorris, the vault will have all the amenities of your modern-day home, and it's attractive; and Sally, in the vault you might meet that special someone, just as you would on the surface; and in a few short years, you and your fellow vault dwellers will re-populate our great country; And billy, you'll have lots of swell kids to play with!</p><p>Reserve your family's spot in a state of the art underground vault today! Sign up now, and prepare for the future!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Our American way of life .
Is n't it grand ? Peace , Freedom , and bacon and eggs ; Seems perfect , but what if it 's not ? Friends , your future may not be a secure as you think .
Where will you be when the atomic bombs fall ? You can secure your family 's future by reserving your spot in a state of the art underground vault from Vault-tec.That 's right Bob !
Act now , and your family can wait out the horrors of nuclear devastation .
And Dorris , the vault will have all the amenities of your modern-day home , and it 's attractive ; and Sally , in the vault you might meet that special someone , just as you would on the surface ; and in a few short years , you and your fellow vault dwellers will re-populate our great country ; And billy , you 'll have lots of swell kids to play with ! Reserve your family 's spot in a state of the art underground vault today !
Sign up now , and prepare for the future !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our American way of life.
Isn't it grand?Peace, Freedom, and bacon and eggs; Seems perfect, but what if it's not?Friends, your future may not be a secure as you think.
Where will you be when the atomic bombs fall?You can secure your family's future by reserving your spot in a state of the art underground vault from Vault-tec.That's right Bob!
Act now, and your family can wait out the horrors of nuclear devastation.
And Dorris, the vault will have all the amenities of your modern-day home, and it's attractive; and Sally, in the vault you might meet that special someone, just as you would on the surface; and in a few short years, you and your fellow vault dwellers will re-populate our great country; And billy, you'll have lots of swell kids to play with!Reserve your family's spot in a state of the art underground vault today!
Sign up now, and prepare for the future!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28302941</id>
	<title>Revenge!</title>
	<author>Reece400</author>
	<datestamp>1244728140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry, Us Canadians are just angry that since you Americans bought Tim Hortons you've been serving us microwaved from frozen donuts. Give us some real donuts and maybe we'll take our hands off your media!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , Us Canadians are just angry that since you Americans bought Tim Hortons you 've been serving us microwaved from frozen donuts .
Give us some real donuts and maybe we 'll take our hands off your media !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, Us Canadians are just angry that since you Americans bought Tim Hortons you've been serving us microwaved from frozen donuts.
Give us some real donuts and maybe we'll take our hands off your media!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28305869</id>
	<title>Re:So the Senator is applauding corrupt trials...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244806440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I know lets make sure the Judge is on our side and already believes us</p></div><p>Um....isn't that already the "norm" here in America?<br>After all, if you live in NY, and the Company is based in California, how is it they can bring it up in a Texas Court, unless it is because they know that judge is more likely to rule in their favor?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know lets make sure the Judge is on our side and already believes usUm....is n't that already the " norm " here in America ? After all , if you live in NY , and the Company is based in California , how is it they can bring it up in a Texas Court , unless it is because they know that judge is more likely to rule in their favor ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know lets make sure the Judge is on our side and already believes usUm....isn't that already the "norm" here in America?After all, if you live in NY, and the Company is based in California, how is it they can bring it up in a Texas Court, unless it is because they know that judge is more likely to rule in their favor?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298249</id>
	<title>OMG!</title>
	<author>droidsURlooking4</author>
	<datestamp>1244750700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>58 Billion! We need a RIAA Bailout quick, or the economy is really doomed!</htmltext>
<tokenext>58 Billion !
We need a RIAA Bailout quick , or the economy is really doomed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>58 Billion!
We need a RIAA Bailout quick, or the economy is really doomed!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28305299</id>
	<title>Champagne and Port</title>
	<author>ircharlie</author>
	<datestamp>1244798460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There was an interesting trade dispute that South Africa had with the European Union. The fact that South Africa made port and sold it as port and had been doing so since before the days of Napolean was contentious as the EU had decided that the word "port" was a piece of intellectual property owned by Portugal. SA had to change their naming to "fortified wine" if they wanted a trade agreement with the EU. Same goes for "champagne". In pretty much the whole world, "champagne" is recognised as a piece of intellectual property owned by the champagne region of France. The US does not abide by these rules and allows sparkling american wine to be labelled as champagne. Now I disagree with the back-dating of trademarks like "port" and "champagne" but I find it amusing that the US holds itself up as the world-wide champion of intellectual property and other countries should fall in line when that seems to only apply to US made products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was an interesting trade dispute that South Africa had with the European Union .
The fact that South Africa made port and sold it as port and had been doing so since before the days of Napolean was contentious as the EU had decided that the word " port " was a piece of intellectual property owned by Portugal .
SA had to change their naming to " fortified wine " if they wanted a trade agreement with the EU .
Same goes for " champagne " .
In pretty much the whole world , " champagne " is recognised as a piece of intellectual property owned by the champagne region of France .
The US does not abide by these rules and allows sparkling american wine to be labelled as champagne .
Now I disagree with the back-dating of trademarks like " port " and " champagne " but I find it amusing that the US holds itself up as the world-wide champion of intellectual property and other countries should fall in line when that seems to only apply to US made products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was an interesting trade dispute that South Africa had with the European Union.
The fact that South Africa made port and sold it as port and had been doing so since before the days of Napolean was contentious as the EU had decided that the word "port" was a piece of intellectual property owned by Portugal.
SA had to change their naming to "fortified wine" if they wanted a trade agreement with the EU.
Same goes for "champagne".
In pretty much the whole world, "champagne" is recognised as a piece of intellectual property owned by the champagne region of France.
The US does not abide by these rules and allows sparkling american wine to be labelled as champagne.
Now I disagree with the back-dating of trademarks like "port" and "champagne" but I find it amusing that the US holds itself up as the world-wide champion of intellectual property and other countries should fall in line when that seems to only apply to US made products.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28301483</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA Tax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244719260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but Canada's version of the RIAA realized that you can make a lot more money suing people if downloading is made illegal.</p><p>Of course, if it WAS made illegal, there'd still be that tax on blank media.  Like hell they'll give up THAT free income as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but Canada 's version of the RIAA realized that you can make a lot more money suing people if downloading is made illegal.Of course , if it WAS made illegal , there 'd still be that tax on blank media .
Like hell they 'll give up THAT free income as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but Canada's version of the RIAA realized that you can make a lot more money suing people if downloading is made illegal.Of course, if it WAS made illegal, there'd still be that tax on blank media.
Like hell they'll give up THAT free income as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28302955</id>
	<title>Re:So</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244728260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NO!!! It is time to make a difference in our country. The left sux.. and the right sux. We need to finally be brave enough to stand up and RUN for office.... OR vote independent!! Never the less don't give up on America. Work to reclaim America - as a country with a government that is For the people by the people. This is why it is all of control right now. America is turning into a place run by the Politicians for the Money Grubbers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NO ! ! !
It is time to make a difference in our country .
The left sux.. and the right sux .
We need to finally be brave enough to stand up and RUN for office.... OR vote independent ! !
Never the less do n't give up on America .
Work to reclaim America - as a country with a government that is For the people by the people .
This is why it is all of control right now .
America is turning into a place run by the Politicians for the Money Grubbers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NO!!!
It is time to make a difference in our country.
The left sux.. and the right sux.
We need to finally be brave enough to stand up and RUN for office.... OR vote independent!!
Never the less don't give up on America.
Work to reclaim America - as a country with a government that is For the people by the people.
This is why it is all of control right now.
America is turning into a place run by the Politicians for the Money Grubbers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298633</id>
	<title>Piracy cost more than thier revenue? Wait what?</title>
	<author>MasseKid</author>
	<datestamp>1244752140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>A quick google search will land you at a link to  <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07\_32/b4045001.htm" title="businessweek.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07\_32/b4045001.htm</a> [businessweek.com] That article, while talking about pets, states "Americans spend on the movies ($10.8 billion), playing video games ($11.6 billion), and listening to recorded music ($10.6 billion) combined" <br> <br>

So according to the RIAA and MPAA we spend 33 billion on movies, video games, and music combined but some how piracy is costing the American economy almost twice what it actually spent on that industry?  I know they inflate numbers, but this is beyond hyperbole.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A quick google search will land you at a link to http : //www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07 \ _32/b4045001.htm [ businessweek.com ] That article , while talking about pets , states " Americans spend on the movies ( $ 10.8 billion ) , playing video games ( $ 11.6 billion ) , and listening to recorded music ( $ 10.6 billion ) combined " So according to the RIAA and MPAA we spend 33 billion on movies , video games , and music combined but some how piracy is costing the American economy almost twice what it actually spent on that industry ?
I know they inflate numbers , but this is beyond hyperbole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A quick google search will land you at a link to  http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07\_32/b4045001.htm [businessweek.com] That article, while talking about pets, states "Americans spend on the movies ($10.8 billion), playing video games ($11.6 billion), and listening to recorded music ($10.6 billion) combined"  

So according to the RIAA and MPAA we spend 33 billion on movies, video games, and music combined but some how piracy is costing the American economy almost twice what it actually spent on that industry?
I know they inflate numbers, but this is beyond hyperbole.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298473</id>
	<title>It often is a loss, and here's why</title>
	<author>MikeRT</author>
	<datestamp>1244751600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If someone download a movie, game or song doesn't mean they would have paid for it if they couldn't. So those loss calculations are wrong</p></div></blockquote><p>You're absolutely right that it doesn't mean they would have paid for it. A lot of pirates might not even be able to pay for it. However, the availability of piracy as an option skews the whole thing wildly. We don't know what people would do if piracy weren't an option. It very well might be possible that the sales of games and movies might be significantly higher. Again, we won't know because people can just copy anything they don't feel like buying or budgeting for.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone download a movie , game or song does n't mean they would have paid for it if they could n't .
So those loss calculations are wrongYou 're absolutely right that it does n't mean they would have paid for it .
A lot of pirates might not even be able to pay for it .
However , the availability of piracy as an option skews the whole thing wildly .
We do n't know what people would do if piracy were n't an option .
It very well might be possible that the sales of games and movies might be significantly higher .
Again , we wo n't know because people can just copy anything they do n't feel like buying or budgeting for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone download a movie, game or song doesn't mean they would have paid for it if they couldn't.
So those loss calculations are wrongYou're absolutely right that it doesn't mean they would have paid for it.
A lot of pirates might not even be able to pay for it.
However, the availability of piracy as an option skews the whole thing wildly.
We don't know what people would do if piracy weren't an option.
It very well might be possible that the sales of games and movies might be significantly higher.
Again, we won't know because people can just copy anything they don't feel like buying or budgeting for.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297947</id>
	<title>American Imperialsm w/ Entertainment Media?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244749800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't believe he admitted it.  "After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors."</p><p>Next thing you know he'll say, "And if they won't buy our opium, we will sail our ironclads right into their harbours and open up their markets, whether they like it or not."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe he admitted it .
" After all , US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America 's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors .
" Next thing you know he 'll say , " And if they wo n't buy our opium , we will sail our ironclads right into their harbours and open up their markets , whether they like it or not .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe he admitted it.
"After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors.
"Next thing you know he'll say, "And if they won't buy our opium, we will sail our ironclads right into their harbours and open up their markets, whether they like it or not.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28306981</id>
	<title>and which fuckin study is that ?</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1244816100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the one you bought by shelling out a few mil bucks from a gaudy 'think thank' ?</p><p>go f@ck off. lobbying and think thanking should be banned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the one you bought by shelling out a few mil bucks from a gaudy 'think thank ' ? go f @ ck off .
lobbying and think thanking should be banned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the one you bought by shelling out a few mil bucks from a gaudy 'think thank' ?go f@ck off.
lobbying and think thanking should be banned.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298735</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>aaandre</author>
	<datestamp>1244752620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We all know where. His royal senator a$$.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We all know where .
His royal senator a $ $ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We all know where.
His royal senator a$$.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298311</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>joelmax</author>
	<datestamp>1244750940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Where exactly did he get his numbers? I wonder?</p></div><p>I believe he was citing the <a href="http://global.bsa.org/globalpiracy2008/index.html" title="bsa.org" rel="nofollow">Business Software Alliance's annual report on piracy</a> [bsa.org].  Although that value I believe is for world-wide losses, not American.</p></div><p>Isnt that the one the conference board of canada plagarized?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where exactly did he get his numbers ?
I wonder ? I believe he was citing the Business Software Alliance 's annual report on piracy [ bsa.org ] .
Although that value I believe is for world-wide losses , not American.Isnt that the one the conference board of canada plagarized ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where exactly did he get his numbers?
I wonder?I believe he was citing the Business Software Alliance's annual report on piracy [bsa.org].
Although that value I believe is for world-wide losses, not American.Isnt that the one the conference board of canada plagarized?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300127</id>
	<title>Re:Lack of Understanding of Economics?</title>
	<author>Zerth</author>
	<datestamp>1244714280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Plus, some of us only pirate foreign media, which actually keeps the money in our economy!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plus , some of us only pirate foreign media , which actually keeps the money in our economy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plus, some of us only pirate foreign media, which actually keeps the money in our economy!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299263</id>
	<title>Re:Lack of Understanding of Economics?</title>
	<author>joggle</author>
	<datestamp>1244711160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Orin Hatch was 100\% correct (which he obviously isn't) then it would have an effect on the US's trading deficit, lowering it a tad if everyone paid the billions he thinks the US companies are owed.</p><p>A lower trading deficit usually strengthens the value of the dollar and should even reduce the national debt (although in this case not by a lot in comparison to the total debt).</p><p>It would theoretically also allow for more jobs in the US, although even if all this extra money was pouring in I'd wager that any new jobs would mainly be for cheap labor wealthy entertainers/executives employ (ie, most of this money would go to media companies who would in turn give the lion share to rich execs who would then have more money to pay for pool boy assistants and personal shoe-shiners...).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Orin Hatch was 100 \ % correct ( which he obviously is n't ) then it would have an effect on the US 's trading deficit , lowering it a tad if everyone paid the billions he thinks the US companies are owed.A lower trading deficit usually strengthens the value of the dollar and should even reduce the national debt ( although in this case not by a lot in comparison to the total debt ) .It would theoretically also allow for more jobs in the US , although even if all this extra money was pouring in I 'd wager that any new jobs would mainly be for cheap labor wealthy entertainers/executives employ ( ie , most of this money would go to media companies who would in turn give the lion share to rich execs who would then have more money to pay for pool boy assistants and personal shoe-shiners... ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Orin Hatch was 100\% correct (which he obviously isn't) then it would have an effect on the US's trading deficit, lowering it a tad if everyone paid the billions he thinks the US companies are owed.A lower trading deficit usually strengthens the value of the dollar and should even reduce the national debt (although in this case not by a lot in comparison to the total debt).It would theoretically also allow for more jobs in the US, although even if all this extra money was pouring in I'd wager that any new jobs would mainly be for cheap labor wealthy entertainers/executives employ (ie, most of this money would go to media companies who would in turn give the lion share to rich execs who would then have more money to pay for pool boy assistants and personal shoe-shiners...).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298905</id>
	<title>Re:Some things the Senator needs to understand.</title>
	<author>aaandre</author>
	<datestamp>1244753100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds good in a logical world. In this one, he doesn't need to understand anything.</p><p>All he needs to do is push his lobbyists' political/economic agendas and say the right things that make his party like him and get him re-elected.</p><p>He already does his job perfectly.</p><p>We in the USA do not really believe that other countries are independent. We do not care about scientific proof nearly as much as we care about sensational headlines and soundbites. We do not care of copyright extension because the police is not yet kicking our doors for singing Happy Birthday.  And we don't know what laws govern us. Ask the average person on the street about DMCA or the Patriot Act or about Copyright law terms... and don't hold your breath.</p><p>We don't really care what our politicians are doing and they've been on a rampage for decades, selling the rights to raping the public, the land and the environment to the highest bidder.</p><p>Legally.</p><p>Have a nice day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds good in a logical world .
In this one , he does n't need to understand anything.All he needs to do is push his lobbyists ' political/economic agendas and say the right things that make his party like him and get him re-elected.He already does his job perfectly.We in the USA do not really believe that other countries are independent .
We do not care about scientific proof nearly as much as we care about sensational headlines and soundbites .
We do not care of copyright extension because the police is not yet kicking our doors for singing Happy Birthday .
And we do n't know what laws govern us .
Ask the average person on the street about DMCA or the Patriot Act or about Copyright law terms... and do n't hold your breath.We do n't really care what our politicians are doing and they 've been on a rampage for decades , selling the rights to raping the public , the land and the environment to the highest bidder.Legally.Have a nice day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds good in a logical world.
In this one, he doesn't need to understand anything.All he needs to do is push his lobbyists' political/economic agendas and say the right things that make his party like him and get him re-elected.He already does his job perfectly.We in the USA do not really believe that other countries are independent.
We do not care about scientific proof nearly as much as we care about sensational headlines and soundbites.
We do not care of copyright extension because the police is not yet kicking our doors for singing Happy Birthday.
And we don't know what laws govern us.
Ask the average person on the street about DMCA or the Patriot Act or about Copyright law terms... and don't hold your breath.We don't really care what our politicians are doing and they've been on a rampage for decades, selling the rights to raping the public, the land and the environment to the highest bidder.Legally.Have a nice day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298551</id>
	<title>The made up statistics of the BSA</title>
	<author>TropicalCoder</author>
	<datestamp>1244751900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From Prof. Michael Geist's blog <a href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4005/125/" title="michaelgeist.ca">BSA Admits Canadian Software Piracy Rates Estimated; Canada Viewed as Low Piracy Country</a> [michaelgeist.ca], the following shows that these statistics are just made up...</p><blockquote><div><p>This year the BSA reported that Canada declined from 33 to 32 percent.  Michael Murphy, chair of the BSA Canada Committee claimed that "despite the slight decline, Canada's software piracy rate is nowhere near where it should be compared to other advanced economy countries. We stand a better chance of reducing it significantly with stronger copyright legislation that strikes the appropriate balance between the rights of consumers and copyright holders."</p><p>Yet what the BSA did not disclose is that the 2009 report on Canada were guesses since Canadian firms and users were not surveyed.  While the study makes seemingly authoritative claims about the state of Canadian piracy, the reality is that IDC, which conducts the study for BSA, did not bother to survey in Canada.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From Prof. Michael Geist 's blog BSA Admits Canadian Software Piracy Rates Estimated ; Canada Viewed as Low Piracy Country [ michaelgeist.ca ] , the following shows that these statistics are just made up...This year the BSA reported that Canada declined from 33 to 32 percent .
Michael Murphy , chair of the BSA Canada Committee claimed that " despite the slight decline , Canada 's software piracy rate is nowhere near where it should be compared to other advanced economy countries .
We stand a better chance of reducing it significantly with stronger copyright legislation that strikes the appropriate balance between the rights of consumers and copyright holders .
" Yet what the BSA did not disclose is that the 2009 report on Canada were guesses since Canadian firms and users were not surveyed .
While the study makes seemingly authoritative claims about the state of Canadian piracy , the reality is that IDC , which conducts the study for BSA , did not bother to survey in Canada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From Prof. Michael Geist's blog BSA Admits Canadian Software Piracy Rates Estimated; Canada Viewed as Low Piracy Country [michaelgeist.ca], the following shows that these statistics are just made up...This year the BSA reported that Canada declined from 33 to 32 percent.
Michael Murphy, chair of the BSA Canada Committee claimed that "despite the slight decline, Canada's software piracy rate is nowhere near where it should be compared to other advanced economy countries.
We stand a better chance of reducing it significantly with stronger copyright legislation that strikes the appropriate balance between the rights of consumers and copyright holders.
"Yet what the BSA did not disclose is that the 2009 report on Canada were guesses since Canadian firms and users were not surveyed.
While the study makes seemingly authoritative claims about the state of Canadian piracy, the reality is that IDC, which conducts the study for BSA, did not bother to survey in Canada.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28301529</id>
	<title>Here he is again</title>
	<author>PenguinGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1244719500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hatch is an idiot.  The bad thing is thanks to the Repubs here in Utah, anyone that runs against Hatch is pretty much doomed.  Orrin Hatch is a very good argument for term limits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hatch is an idiot .
The bad thing is thanks to the Repubs here in Utah , anyone that runs against Hatch is pretty much doomed .
Orrin Hatch is a very good argument for term limits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hatch is an idiot.
The bad thing is thanks to the Repubs here in Utah, anyone that runs against Hatch is pretty much doomed.
Orrin Hatch is a very good argument for term limits.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298835</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>TheGratefulNet</author>
	<datestamp>1244752920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this does need to be said, over and over again.  just to counter the 'think of our lost sales!' woes.</p><p>in fact, you can't know what the net effect is of non-paid non-authorized downloads.</p><p>it does cut into a percentage of sales.</p><p>it also ENCOURAGES a percentage of sales.</p><p>some people would pay for the movie/music if at the right price, so this factor in the equation is a 'conditional' and not any kind of linear term.</p><p>there are MANY complex issues that would formulate the net gain or loss due to 'downloading'.  anyone who says they have a reliable model for predicting the loss is, well, full of shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this does need to be said , over and over again .
just to counter the 'think of our lost sales !
' woes.in fact , you ca n't know what the net effect is of non-paid non-authorized downloads.it does cut into a percentage of sales.it also ENCOURAGES a percentage of sales.some people would pay for the movie/music if at the right price , so this factor in the equation is a 'conditional ' and not any kind of linear term.there are MANY complex issues that would formulate the net gain or loss due to 'downloading' .
anyone who says they have a reliable model for predicting the loss is , well , full of shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this does need to be said, over and over again.
just to counter the 'think of our lost sales!
' woes.in fact, you can't know what the net effect is of non-paid non-authorized downloads.it does cut into a percentage of sales.it also ENCOURAGES a percentage of sales.some people would pay for the movie/music if at the right price, so this factor in the equation is a 'conditional' and not any kind of linear term.there are MANY complex issues that would formulate the net gain or loss due to 'downloading'.
anyone who says they have a reliable model for predicting the loss is, well, full of shit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297929</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298411</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>nicolas.kassis</author>
	<datestamp>1244751360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So... were not talking about only American jobs only then? So that 300+K is also a lie.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So... were not talking about only American jobs only then ?
So that 300 + K is also a lie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... were not talking about only American jobs only then?
So that 300+K is also a lie.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298073</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28304301</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>powerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1244740260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We should at least be willing to at least listen to what he has to say<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... does anyone have a torrent for his speech?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We should at least be willing to at least listen to what he has to say ... does anyone have a torrent for his speech ?
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We should at least be willing to at least listen to what he has to say ... does anyone have a torrent for his speech?
:P</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297929</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299277</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>caladine</author>
	<datestamp>1244711280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>After looking at their numbers, it's clear that BSA doesn't stand for "Business Software"...</htmltext>
<tokenext>After looking at their numbers , it 's clear that BSA does n't stand for " Business Software " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After looking at their numbers, it's clear that BSA doesn't stand for "Business Software"...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298073</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299369</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>nametaken</author>
	<datestamp>1244711640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll tell you what else needs to be said yet again... I'm fucking embarrassed by the people who represent me.</p><p>I'm sorry Canada, please disregard what he said.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll tell you what else needs to be said yet again... I 'm fucking embarrassed by the people who represent me.I 'm sorry Canada , please disregard what he said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll tell you what else needs to be said yet again... I'm fucking embarrassed by the people who represent me.I'm sorry Canada, please disregard what he said.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298835</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28303101</id>
	<title>I think I speak for a majority of Canadians...</title>
	<author>nightfire-unique</author>
	<datestamp>1244729580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...when I say: Orrin Hatch can go fuck himself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...when I say : Orrin Hatch can go fuck himself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...when I say: Orrin Hatch can go fuck himself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298421</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1244751420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>start defending this idiot.</p></div><p>Okay... uh... he works hard for the bribes the mafiaa pays him.  You can't accuse him of not delivering.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>start defending this idiot.Okay... uh... he works hard for the bribes the mafiaa pays him .
You ca n't accuse him of not delivering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>start defending this idiot.Okay... uh... he works hard for the bribes the mafiaa pays him.
You can't accuse him of not delivering.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297873</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28310827</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>mpthompson</author>
	<datestamp>1244831880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't defend Hatch, but I submitted the following story to SlashDot a month ago and it was rejected.  It is disingenuous to pretend that politicians on both sides of the isle don't have their hands dirty.</p><p> <i>Just days after four Pirate Bay defendants were found guilty in Sweden, <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/22/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4960832.shtml" title="cbsnews.com">Vice President Joe Biden warned of the harms of Internet piracy</a> [cbsnews.com] at a private event organized by the MPAA in Washington, D.C. At the gala dinner on Tuesday evening, Biden lauded Hollywood, assailed movie piracy, and promised film executives that the Obama administration would pick "the right person" as its copyright czar. Biden also singled out Canada for criticism for not signing the treaty that led to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act or placing other anti-circumvention restrictions on its citizens.</i> </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't defend Hatch , but I submitted the following story to SlashDot a month ago and it was rejected .
It is disingenuous to pretend that politicians on both sides of the isle do n't have their hands dirty .
Just days after four Pirate Bay defendants were found guilty in Sweden , Vice President Joe Biden warned of the harms of Internet piracy [ cbsnews.com ] at a private event organized by the MPAA in Washington , D.C. At the gala dinner on Tuesday evening , Biden lauded Hollywood , assailed movie piracy , and promised film executives that the Obama administration would pick " the right person " as its copyright czar .
Biden also singled out Canada for criticism for not signing the treaty that led to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act or placing other anti-circumvention restrictions on its citizens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't defend Hatch, but I submitted the following story to SlashDot a month ago and it was rejected.
It is disingenuous to pretend that politicians on both sides of the isle don't have their hands dirty.
Just days after four Pirate Bay defendants were found guilty in Sweden, Vice President Joe Biden warned of the harms of Internet piracy [cbsnews.com] at a private event organized by the MPAA in Washington, D.C. At the gala dinner on Tuesday evening, Biden lauded Hollywood, assailed movie piracy, and promised film executives that the Obama administration would pick "the right person" as its copyright czar.
Biden also singled out Canada for criticism for not signing the treaty that led to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act or placing other anti-circumvention restrictions on its citizens. </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297873</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298515</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>Sun.Jedi</author>
	<datestamp>1244751780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>In all the brouhaha from the payout, to wall street vs main, TARP, GM, Chryseler, Sotamayor, and great big plans for the new Health care... if the Republicans couldn't find something to take a stand on, anything<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... then they deserve what they get. Outvoted and silenced.

I find it odd, from news a few weeks back that the recognized "voice of the Republican party" is Rush Limbaugh; and Mr. Limbaugh is a self-proclaimed "non-party" conservative.

Is there is point in defending Republicans? Sadly, they are leaderless, clueless, and helpless. I have faith in conservatism, but no faith in Republicans to bring about conservatism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In all the brouhaha from the payout , to wall street vs main , TARP , GM , Chryseler , Sotamayor , and great big plans for the new Health care... if the Republicans could n't find something to take a stand on , anything ... then they deserve what they get .
Outvoted and silenced .
I find it odd , from news a few weeks back that the recognized " voice of the Republican party " is Rush Limbaugh ; and Mr. Limbaugh is a self-proclaimed " non-party " conservative .
Is there is point in defending Republicans ?
Sadly , they are leaderless , clueless , and helpless .
I have faith in conservatism , but no faith in Republicans to bring about conservatism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In all the brouhaha from the payout, to wall street vs main, TARP, GM, Chryseler, Sotamayor, and great big plans for the new Health care... if the Republicans couldn't find something to take a stand on, anything ... then they deserve what they get.
Outvoted and silenced.
I find it odd, from news a few weeks back that the recognized "voice of the Republican party" is Rush Limbaugh; and Mr. Limbaugh is a self-proclaimed "non-party" conservative.
Is there is point in defending Republicans?
Sadly, they are leaderless, clueless, and helpless.
I have faith in conservatism, but no faith in Republicans to bring about conservatism.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299441</id>
	<title>Traditional physical piracy??</title>
	<author>Time\_Ngler</author>
	<datestamp>1244711820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"...we must ensure that all copyrighted works, both here and abroad, are protected from online theft and <b>traditional physical piracy</b>."
<br> <br>
Yar, mateys... hoist the sails and get the cannons ready. A cargo ship containing 50,000 copies of High School Musical 3 is due to cross our path in a half hours time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...we must ensure that all copyrighted works , both here and abroad , are protected from online theft and traditional physical piracy .
" Yar , mateys... hoist the sails and get the cannons ready .
A cargo ship containing 50,000 copies of High School Musical 3 is due to cross our path in a half hours time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...we must ensure that all copyrighted works, both here and abroad, are protected from online theft and traditional physical piracy.
"
 
Yar, mateys... hoist the sails and get the cannons ready.
A cargo ship containing 50,000 copies of High School Musical 3 is due to cross our path in a half hours time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300371</id>
	<title>I agree with Hatch. And furthermore,</title>
	<author>aussersterne</author>
	<datestamp>1244715120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the abhorrent failure of every American taxpayer to send me $10.00 costs the United States nearly 50,000 jobs per year. (Assuming that I would employ as many people as possible at $18,000 per year--well above the federal poverty level--and keep only $700 million or so for myself).</p><p>Let's stop this travesty immediately and put another 50,000 people to work. If you're a taxpayer, be sure to send me $10! Meanwhile, I really think that the courts and congress should look into this economic disaster!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the abhorrent failure of every American taxpayer to send me $ 10.00 costs the United States nearly 50,000 jobs per year .
( Assuming that I would employ as many people as possible at $ 18,000 per year--well above the federal poverty level--and keep only $ 700 million or so for myself ) .Let 's stop this travesty immediately and put another 50,000 people to work .
If you 're a taxpayer , be sure to send me $ 10 !
Meanwhile , I really think that the courts and congress should look into this economic disaster !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the abhorrent failure of every American taxpayer to send me $10.00 costs the United States nearly 50,000 jobs per year.
(Assuming that I would employ as many people as possible at $18,000 per year--well above the federal poverty level--and keep only $700 million or so for myself).Let's stop this travesty immediately and put another 50,000 people to work.
If you're a taxpayer, be sure to send me $10!
Meanwhile, I really think that the courts and congress should look into this economic disaster!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28305883</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244806560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If someone download a movie, game or song doesn't mean they <b>wouldn't</b> have paid for it if they could. So your comment has no relevence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone download a movie , game or song does n't mean they would n't have paid for it if they could .
So your comment has no relevence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone download a movie, game or song doesn't mean they wouldn't have paid for it if they could.
So your comment has no relevence.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297929</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298469</id>
	<title>"373,375 jobs" Each year? Big fucking deal</title>
	<author>Jackie\_Chan\_Fan</author>
	<datestamp>1244751600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We've lost 1 million jobs each month due to our corporate and government corruption (same damn thing if you ask me).</p><p>We cant be a nation of film makers and muscians. Its not going to float this sinking economy. The real problem is greed, corruption, outsourcing, our law makers bending over backwards for those that would sell out America at every opportunity.</p><p>Downloading a shitty movie here and there that still makes 200 million in profit, is not costing us that much.</p><p>There are far bigger problems, and i find it hysterical that Oren Hatch (who is part of the problem) is acting as if some how the pirate bay is more significant than health care or the economy.</p><p>Perhaps more people are pirating stuff because they can no longer afford to LIVE in the country Oren Hatch supposedly represents. Thanks Oren you fucking tool.</p><p>Every one of these politicians live like kings in these "tough economic times"</p><p>Give me a break. Fuck off and DO SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE FOR ONCE!!!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've lost 1 million jobs each month due to our corporate and government corruption ( same damn thing if you ask me ) .We cant be a nation of film makers and muscians .
Its not going to float this sinking economy .
The real problem is greed , corruption , outsourcing , our law makers bending over backwards for those that would sell out America at every opportunity.Downloading a shitty movie here and there that still makes 200 million in profit , is not costing us that much.There are far bigger problems , and i find it hysterical that Oren Hatch ( who is part of the problem ) is acting as if some how the pirate bay is more significant than health care or the economy.Perhaps more people are pirating stuff because they can no longer afford to LIVE in the country Oren Hatch supposedly represents .
Thanks Oren you fucking tool.Every one of these politicians live like kings in these " tough economic times " Give me a break .
Fuck off and DO SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE FOR ONCE ! ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've lost 1 million jobs each month due to our corporate and government corruption (same damn thing if you ask me).We cant be a nation of film makers and muscians.
Its not going to float this sinking economy.
The real problem is greed, corruption, outsourcing, our law makers bending over backwards for those that would sell out America at every opportunity.Downloading a shitty movie here and there that still makes 200 million in profit, is not costing us that much.There are far bigger problems, and i find it hysterical that Oren Hatch (who is part of the problem) is acting as if some how the pirate bay is more significant than health care or the economy.Perhaps more people are pirating stuff because they can no longer afford to LIVE in the country Oren Hatch supposedly represents.
Thanks Oren you fucking tool.Every one of these politicians live like kings in these "tough economic times"Give me a break.
Fuck off and DO SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE FOR ONCE!!!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299779</id>
	<title>Re:Some things the Senator needs to understand.</title>
	<author>jeanph01</author>
	<datestamp>1244713020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He said things that americans will react to : particularly this one "costs American workers 373,375 jobs". Canada does not live alone on a island. If americans in general are angry (justified or not) toward Canada they have 3 options : stand and ignore it, inform american that they are lied to, do what they ask.</p><p>And considering the Harper government here that is pro american lobbies, I'm not sure what it will do. For my part, i will fight and complain if they try to "dmca" us once again. They tried and failed a couple of times now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He said things that americans will react to : particularly this one " costs American workers 373,375 jobs " .
Canada does not live alone on a island .
If americans in general are angry ( justified or not ) toward Canada they have 3 options : stand and ignore it , inform american that they are lied to , do what they ask.And considering the Harper government here that is pro american lobbies , I 'm not sure what it will do .
For my part , i will fight and complain if they try to " dmca " us once again .
They tried and failed a couple of times now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He said things that americans will react to : particularly this one "costs American workers 373,375 jobs".
Canada does not live alone on a island.
If americans in general are angry (justified or not) toward Canada they have 3 options : stand and ignore it, inform american that they are lied to, do what they ask.And considering the Harper government here that is pro american lobbies, I'm not sure what it will do.
For my part, i will fight and complain if they try to "dmca" us once again.
They tried and failed a couple of times now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298125</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298101</id>
	<title>Wording</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>cost the economy $58 billion or allowed those $58 billion to be introduced into the ocal economy rather than going straight into madonna's offshore account?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>cost the economy $ 58 billion or allowed those $ 58 billion to be introduced into the ocal economy rather than going straight into madonna 's offshore account ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cost the economy $58 billion or allowed those $58 billion to be introduced into the ocal economy rather than going straight into madonna's offshore account?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298073</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1244750160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Where exactly did he get his numbers? I wonder?</p></div><p>I believe he was citing the <a href="http://global.bsa.org/globalpiracy2008/index.html" title="bsa.org" rel="nofollow">Business Software Alliance's annual report on piracy</a> [bsa.org].  Although that value I believe is for world-wide losses, not American.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where exactly did he get his numbers ?
I wonder ? I believe he was citing the Business Software Alliance 's annual report on piracy [ bsa.org ] .
Although that value I believe is for world-wide losses , not American .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where exactly did he get his numbers?
I wonder?I believe he was citing the Business Software Alliance's annual report on piracy [bsa.org].
Although that value I believe is for world-wide losses, not American.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298979</id>
	<title>Blame the industry</title>
	<author>SilverJets</author>
	<datestamp>1244753340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I see a DVD screener of a movie that hasn't been released yet, exactly who is responsible?  The industry.  Obviously industry insiders are a bigger problem than these morons are willing to admit.  Sure, point fingers at everyone else while your own people are stealing the revenue right out from under you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I see a DVD screener of a movie that has n't been released yet , exactly who is responsible ?
The industry .
Obviously industry insiders are a bigger problem than these morons are willing to admit .
Sure , point fingers at everyone else while your own people are stealing the revenue right out from under you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I see a DVD screener of a movie that hasn't been released yet, exactly who is responsible?
The industry.
Obviously industry insiders are a bigger problem than these morons are willing to admit.
Sure, point fingers at everyone else while your own people are stealing the revenue right out from under you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28304521</id>
	<title>The fun part is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244743440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can almost guarantee Orrin Hatch had never heard of The Pirate Bay until his RIAA/MPAA overlords "suggested" he make a statement about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can almost guarantee Orrin Hatch had never heard of The Pirate Bay until his RIAA/MPAA overlords " suggested " he make a statement about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can almost guarantee Orrin Hatch had never heard of The Pirate Bay until his RIAA/MPAA overlords "suggested" he make a statement about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28303925</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA Tax</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1244736480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A levy is still a tax to the person paying at the counter.  The only difference is where the money goes, one ends up in the general revenue stream.  The other ends up in someones pockets to 'protect' their industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A levy is still a tax to the person paying at the counter .
The only difference is where the money goes , one ends up in the general revenue stream .
The other ends up in someones pockets to 'protect ' their industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A levy is still a tax to the person paying at the counter.
The only difference is where the money goes, one ends up in the general revenue stream.
The other ends up in someones pockets to 'protect' their industry.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299571</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28301907</id>
	<title>Eaugh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244721300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it's been said once, it's been said 1000 effing times.... Just because you don't get $30 on a download DOES NOT MAKE IT A COST.</p><p>It doesn't COST the industry a damn red cent.</p><p>And case in point - Most of my 450+ DVD collection is built out of videos I've bought after downloading the movie.</p><p>You're more at risk of my piracy if I wait for it to come to rental market before showing an interest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's been said once , it 's been said 1000 effing times.... Just because you do n't get $ 30 on a download DOES NOT MAKE IT A COST.It does n't COST the industry a damn red cent.And case in point - Most of my 450 + DVD collection is built out of videos I 've bought after downloading the movie.You 're more at risk of my piracy if I wait for it to come to rental market before showing an interest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's been said once, it's been said 1000 effing times.... Just because you don't get $30 on a download DOES NOT MAKE IT A COST.It doesn't COST the industry a damn red cent.And case in point - Most of my 450+ DVD collection is built out of videos I've bought after downloading the movie.You're more at risk of my piracy if I wait for it to come to rental market before showing an interest.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299249</id>
	<title>everyone is disappointed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244711100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He expressed severe disappointment in Canada for showing up on our watch list for piracy next to China and Russia. </p><p>Canada is probably severely disappointed in the USA for the very same reason.</p><p>And the Chinese in themselves, also for the same reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He expressed severe disappointment in Canada for showing up on our watch list for piracy next to China and Russia .
Canada is probably severely disappointed in the USA for the very same reason.And the Chinese in themselves , also for the same reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He expressed severe disappointment in Canada for showing up on our watch list for piracy next to China and Russia.
Canada is probably severely disappointed in the USA for the very same reason.And the Chinese in themselves, also for the same reason.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298097</id>
	<title>Re:Well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do you assume he's not factoring in the number of people who simply wouldn't make the purchase into the figures he's saying?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you assume he 's not factoring in the number of people who simply would n't make the purchase into the figures he 's saying ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you assume he's not factoring in the number of people who simply wouldn't make the purchase into the figures he's saying?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297923</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298125</id>
	<title>Some things the Senator needs to understand.</title>
	<author>Insanity Defense</author>
	<datestamp>1244750340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some things the Senator needs to understand: </p><p>
1/ Other countries are INDEPENDENT and the United States has no authority to dictate to them.
</p><p>
2/ Industry funded studies designed to "prove" their viewpoint cannot be trusted.
</p><p>
3/ Copyright under the U.S. Constitution was not intended to be eternal.  It was supposed to be for a limited time and I suspect that "limited" was meant in compared to the human life span not compared to eternity.
</p><p>
3/ The DMCA is bad law and should be repealed rather than encouraging others to implement the same
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some things the Senator needs to understand : 1/ Other countries are INDEPENDENT and the United States has no authority to dictate to them .
2/ Industry funded studies designed to " prove " their viewpoint can not be trusted .
3/ Copyright under the U.S. Constitution was not intended to be eternal .
It was supposed to be for a limited time and I suspect that " limited " was meant in compared to the human life span not compared to eternity .
3/ The DMCA is bad law and should be repealed rather than encouraging others to implement the same</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some things the Senator needs to understand: 
1/ Other countries are INDEPENDENT and the United States has no authority to dictate to them.
2/ Industry funded studies designed to "prove" their viewpoint cannot be trusted.
3/ Copyright under the U.S. Constitution was not intended to be eternal.
It was supposed to be for a limited time and I suspect that "limited" was meant in compared to the human life span not compared to eternity.
3/ The DMCA is bad law and should be repealed rather than encouraging others to implement the same
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299789</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>I cant believe its n</author>
	<datestamp>1244713140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Where exactly did he get his numbers? I wonder?</p></div><p>S. Wonder</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where exactly did he get his numbers ?
I wonder ? S .
Wonder</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where exactly did he get his numbers?
I wonder?S.
Wonder
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299935</id>
	<title>Re:It often is a loss, and here's why</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1244713620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thuis is why you look at trends and otehr impacts.</p><p>Is the entertainment still tracking higher then the economy in terms of revenue?<br>And this is revenue, not profit.</p><p>Meaning, the economy tanks 10\% and the entertainment industry tanks 8\% then it's not ding that bad.<br>Does it also track with other consumer good reletive to history?</p><p>When those factors are accounted for, then you will ahve an idea on how piracy is impacting the industry.</p><p>Studies like that were done a few years ago, but the entertainment industry was doing better then expected. Other factors were leanng towards piracy helping sale by increasing word of mouth.</p><p>Just looking at the last 10 years, it seems pretty clear that it is not having the impact they claim becasue there really wouldn't be any industry left.</p><p>Economists and accountants know how to do this, it's not magic it just takes knowledge and smarts.<br>The studies the trot out, to the best of my knowledge, have been extremely poor studies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thuis is why you look at trends and otehr impacts.Is the entertainment still tracking higher then the economy in terms of revenue ? And this is revenue , not profit.Meaning , the economy tanks 10 \ % and the entertainment industry tanks 8 \ % then it 's not ding that bad.Does it also track with other consumer good reletive to history ? When those factors are accounted for , then you will ahve an idea on how piracy is impacting the industry.Studies like that were done a few years ago , but the entertainment industry was doing better then expected .
Other factors were leanng towards piracy helping sale by increasing word of mouth.Just looking at the last 10 years , it seems pretty clear that it is not having the impact they claim becasue there really would n't be any industry left.Economists and accountants know how to do this , it 's not magic it just takes knowledge and smarts.The studies the trot out , to the best of my knowledge , have been extremely poor studies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thuis is why you look at trends and otehr impacts.Is the entertainment still tracking higher then the economy in terms of revenue?And this is revenue, not profit.Meaning, the economy tanks 10\% and the entertainment industry tanks 8\% then it's not ding that bad.Does it also track with other consumer good reletive to history?When those factors are accounted for, then you will ahve an idea on how piracy is impacting the industry.Studies like that were done a few years ago, but the entertainment industry was doing better then expected.
Other factors were leanng towards piracy helping sale by increasing word of mouth.Just looking at the last 10 years, it seems pretty clear that it is not having the impact they claim becasue there really wouldn't be any industry left.Economists and accountants know how to do this, it's not magic it just takes knowledge and smarts.The studies the trot out, to the best of my knowledge, have been extremely poor studies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298473</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299511</id>
	<title>Difference in game sales between PS3 and XBOX 360</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244712120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would be nice to see the difference of game sales of the same game between the PS3 and XBOX 360. I'm wondering if there is a correlation between the PS3 that can't be hacked for the moment, and the XBOX 360. Does it make a difference ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be nice to see the difference of game sales of the same game between the PS3 and XBOX 360 .
I 'm wondering if there is a correlation between the PS3 that ca n't be hacked for the moment , and the XBOX 360 .
Does it make a difference ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be nice to see the difference of game sales of the same game between the PS3 and XBOX 360.
I'm wondering if there is a correlation between the PS3 that can't be hacked for the moment, and the XBOX 360.
Does it make a difference ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299313</id>
	<title>Re:I know $19k sounds like a lot of money...</title>
	<author>Jherek Carnelian</author>
	<datestamp>1244711400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I know $19k sounds like a lot of money...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...but it's a drop in the bucket in a senate election.<br>I think accusing him of being bought is probably tactically stupid. First, because it's probably not true.</p></div><p>There is more to the story.  I don't have the time to dig up links, maybe someone else can.  But essentially Hatch has done a 180 on copyright issues over the past decade or so.  Roughly coincident with his change in attitude was the publication of a "vanity" album of him singing which was reportedly completely funded by an RIAA member publisher.</p><p>So yes, I do think it is true that he is bought and paid for in the sense that his public opinion radically changed over a relatively short period of time that involved some questionable events.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know $ 19k sounds like a lot of money... ...but it 's a drop in the bucket in a senate election.I think accusing him of being bought is probably tactically stupid .
First , because it 's probably not true.There is more to the story .
I do n't have the time to dig up links , maybe someone else can .
But essentially Hatch has done a 180 on copyright issues over the past decade or so .
Roughly coincident with his change in attitude was the publication of a " vanity " album of him singing which was reportedly completely funded by an RIAA member publisher.So yes , I do think it is true that he is bought and paid for in the sense that his public opinion radically changed over a relatively short period of time that involved some questionable events .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know $19k sounds like a lot of money... ...but it's a drop in the bucket in a senate election.I think accusing him of being bought is probably tactically stupid.
First, because it's probably not true.There is more to the story.
I don't have the time to dig up links, maybe someone else can.
But essentially Hatch has done a 180 on copyright issues over the past decade or so.
Roughly coincident with his change in attitude was the publication of a "vanity" album of him singing which was reportedly completely funded by an RIAA member publisher.So yes, I do think it is true that he is bought and paid for in the sense that his public opinion radically changed over a relatively short period of time that involved some questionable events.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298489</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>dk90406</author>
	<datestamp>1244751660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>RIAA / MPAA?  That number is even more absurd than the older numbers that Ars Technica analyzed recently: <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/rep-howard-berman-calls-for-new-ip-law-using-dodgy-data.ars" title="arstechnica.com">http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/rep-howard-berman-calls-for-new-ip-law-using-dodgy-data.ars</a> [arstechnica.com] <br>
The job loss claim is ludicrous! 300.000+ jobs? How? Where? So if all download their stuff legally from then net that number of jobs will be created? Or does he expect that CD and DVD stores will spring back to life in this digital age at the cost of LEGAL downloads?</htmltext>
<tokenext>RIAA / MPAA ?
That number is even more absurd than the older numbers that Ars Technica analyzed recently : http : //arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/rep-howard-berman-calls-for-new-ip-law-using-dodgy-data.ars [ arstechnica.com ] The job loss claim is ludicrous !
300.000 + jobs ?
How ? Where ?
So if all download their stuff legally from then net that number of jobs will be created ?
Or does he expect that CD and DVD stores will spring back to life in this digital age at the cost of LEGAL downloads ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RIAA / MPAA?
That number is even more absurd than the older numbers that Ars Technica analyzed recently: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/rep-howard-berman-calls-for-new-ip-law-using-dodgy-data.ars [arstechnica.com] 
The job loss claim is ludicrous!
300.000+ jobs?
How? Where?
So if all download their stuff legally from then net that number of jobs will be created?
Or does he expect that CD and DVD stores will spring back to life in this digital age at the cost of LEGAL downloads?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297991</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299259</id>
	<title>Piracy costs jobs?</title>
	<author>suffix tree monkey</author>
	<datestamp>1244711160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I understand that piracy can make someone think they lost money (it is disputable, but there's at least a bit of truth to that claim). However, I have yet to meet a person that was fired (or a company that went down) because the company's product was pirated too much. Naturally I'm not counting cases where the person in question leaked the product herself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand that piracy can make someone think they lost money ( it is disputable , but there 's at least a bit of truth to that claim ) .
However , I have yet to meet a person that was fired ( or a company that went down ) because the company 's product was pirated too much .
Naturally I 'm not counting cases where the person in question leaked the product herself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand that piracy can make someone think they lost money (it is disputable, but there's at least a bit of truth to that claim).
However, I have yet to meet a person that was fired (or a company that went down) because the company's product was pirated too much.
Naturally I'm not counting cases where the person in question leaked the product herself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298135</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Where exactly did he get his numbers? I wonder?</p></div><p>Well, when each song download is worth $200,000...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where exactly did he get his numbers ?
I wonder ? Well , when each song download is worth $ 200,000.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where exactly did he get his numbers?
I wonder?Well, when each song download is worth $200,000...
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298211</id>
	<title>damn Democrats, whores to Hollywood!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...oh, wait. This Orrin Hatch, who.voted for the DMCA along with the rest of the Gopasaurs.  Both parties suck on IP issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...oh , wait .
This Orrin Hatch , who.voted for the DMCA along with the rest of the Gopasaurs .
Both parties suck on IP issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...oh, wait.
This Orrin Hatch, who.voted for the DMCA along with the rest of the Gopasaurs.
Both parties suck on IP issues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298873</id>
	<title>Re:Some things the Senator needs to understand.</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1244753040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Some things the Senator needs to understand<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p> </div><p>Might I remind you that this is the same Senator Orrin Hatch who </p><ul> <li>is a <a href="http://judiciary.senate.gov/about/members.cfm" title="senate.gov" rel="nofollow">member of the Senate Judiciary Committe</a> [senate.gov] </li><li>wanted to <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/17/220228" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">destroy file trader's PCs</a> [slashdot.org] </li><li>headed the Senate panel on <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/20/094250&amp;tid=103&amp;tid=17&amp;threshold=4&amp;mode=nested" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">copyright and patents</a> [slashdot.org] </li><li> <a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/20/0046237" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">may be a pirate himself</a> [slashdot.org] </li></ul><p>

Combine those first two points and I wager that your comment not only falls upon deaf ears but might instead cause him to laugh.  This guy's got a long history and he's been very successful doing it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some things the Senator needs to understand ... Might I remind you that this is the same Senator Orrin Hatch who is a member of the Senate Judiciary Committe [ senate.gov ] wanted to destroy file trader 's PCs [ slashdot.org ] headed the Senate panel on copyright and patents [ slashdot.org ] may be a pirate himself [ slashdot.org ] Combine those first two points and I wager that your comment not only falls upon deaf ears but might instead cause him to laugh .
This guy 's got a long history and he 's been very successful doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some things the Senator needs to understand ... Might I remind you that this is the same Senator Orrin Hatch who  is a member of the Senate Judiciary Committe [senate.gov] wanted to destroy file trader's PCs [slashdot.org] headed the Senate panel on copyright and patents [slashdot.org]  may be a pirate himself [slashdot.org] 

Combine those first two points and I wager that your comment not only falls upon deaf ears but might instead cause him to laugh.
This guy's got a long history and he's been very successful doing it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298125</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28304351</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA Tax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244740800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, that's why downloading music in Canada is legal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , that 's why downloading music in Canada is legal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, that's why downloading music in Canada is legal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298095</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299323</id>
	<title>Canada says....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244711460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mind your own fucking business and keep your cool-aid to yourself you obviously dirty and sorry excuse for a politician.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mind your own fucking business and keep your cool-aid to yourself you obviously dirty and sorry excuse for a politician .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mind your own fucking business and keep your cool-aid to yourself you obviously dirty and sorry excuse for a politician.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28302187</id>
	<title>Re:American Imperialsm w/ Entertainment Media?</title>
	<author>AcidPenguin9873</author>
	<datestamp>1244723040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mods: -1 Flamebait is not a disagree mod.  This post is not inflammatory, nor a troll, nor stating incorrect facts, it's merely stating an unpopular opinion.  I can't see how anything in this post is offensive; even the China comments aren't any worse than other stuff I've seen here.  As a Slashdotter, your options are to mod up response posts which disagree with it, or post a disagree response yourself.</p><p>I for one agree with this post and the AC below it - entertainment is a big part of the economy, and depends in large part on copyright-controlled distribution (i.e., artificial scarcity) for profit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mods : -1 Flamebait is not a disagree mod .
This post is not inflammatory , nor a troll , nor stating incorrect facts , it 's merely stating an unpopular opinion .
I ca n't see how anything in this post is offensive ; even the China comments are n't any worse than other stuff I 've seen here .
As a Slashdotter , your options are to mod up response posts which disagree with it , or post a disagree response yourself.I for one agree with this post and the AC below it - entertainment is a big part of the economy , and depends in large part on copyright-controlled distribution ( i.e. , artificial scarcity ) for profit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mods: -1 Flamebait is not a disagree mod.
This post is not inflammatory, nor a troll, nor stating incorrect facts, it's merely stating an unpopular opinion.
I can't see how anything in this post is offensive; even the China comments aren't any worse than other stuff I've seen here.
As a Slashdotter, your options are to mod up response posts which disagree with it, or post a disagree response yourself.I for one agree with this post and the AC below it - entertainment is a big part of the economy, and depends in large part on copyright-controlled distribution (i.e., artificial scarcity) for profit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28310457</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244830500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and even if it was, apparently the american economy has saved itself $58 billion in useless expenses!</p><p>Go people!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and even if it was , apparently the american economy has saved itself $ 58 billion in useless expenses ! Go people !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and even if it was, apparently the american economy has saved itself $58 billion in useless expenses!Go people!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28301033</id>
	<title>What do you do with the money you saved?</title>
	<author>neo</author>
	<datestamp>1244717520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously people who make illegal copies of software, music, and other copyrighted works didn't spend money on them.  So what <i>did</i> they spend the money on?</p><p>With Senators spouting that so called 'piracy' has cost X amount of money and taxes, one would assume this money unspent on these pirated items was hoarded.  In reality this money is spent on other things.  It's spent on foot or rent or cars.  Durable goods.  Things that can't be copied for (near) zero cost.  One might almost assume that durable good manufacturers should be strongly against copyright, as it reduces the amount of money spent on their goods.</p><p>The logic that assumes people who pirate would spontaneously create the wealth required to purchase the items they pirate is one of the great fallacies of the anti-pirate side of the argument.  Those "lost" tax dollars are actually collect when the person buys a bicycle or pack of Magic cards.  No tax dollars are lost because the money was actually taxed on a different sale.  The money could not be spent twice, and hence would not be taxed twice.</p><p>Logic this flawed only makes the argument against piracy flawed.</p><p>This, of course, says nothing about the fact that almost all copyright is an attempt to retrofit property rights on to information.  Information is the result of a [i]service[/i].  The result is not property and should treated differently in legal terms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously people who make illegal copies of software , music , and other copyrighted works did n't spend money on them .
So what did they spend the money on ? With Senators spouting that so called 'piracy ' has cost X amount of money and taxes , one would assume this money unspent on these pirated items was hoarded .
In reality this money is spent on other things .
It 's spent on foot or rent or cars .
Durable goods .
Things that ca n't be copied for ( near ) zero cost .
One might almost assume that durable good manufacturers should be strongly against copyright , as it reduces the amount of money spent on their goods.The logic that assumes people who pirate would spontaneously create the wealth required to purchase the items they pirate is one of the great fallacies of the anti-pirate side of the argument .
Those " lost " tax dollars are actually collect when the person buys a bicycle or pack of Magic cards .
No tax dollars are lost because the money was actually taxed on a different sale .
The money could not be spent twice , and hence would not be taxed twice.Logic this flawed only makes the argument against piracy flawed.This , of course , says nothing about the fact that almost all copyright is an attempt to retrofit property rights on to information .
Information is the result of a [ i ] service [ /i ] .
The result is not property and should treated differently in legal terms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously people who make illegal copies of software, music, and other copyrighted works didn't spend money on them.
So what did they spend the money on?With Senators spouting that so called 'piracy' has cost X amount of money and taxes, one would assume this money unspent on these pirated items was hoarded.
In reality this money is spent on other things.
It's spent on foot or rent or cars.
Durable goods.
Things that can't be copied for (near) zero cost.
One might almost assume that durable good manufacturers should be strongly against copyright, as it reduces the amount of money spent on their goods.The logic that assumes people who pirate would spontaneously create the wealth required to purchase the items they pirate is one of the great fallacies of the anti-pirate side of the argument.
Those "lost" tax dollars are actually collect when the person buys a bicycle or pack of Magic cards.
No tax dollars are lost because the money was actually taxed on a different sale.
The money could not be spent twice, and hence would not be taxed twice.Logic this flawed only makes the argument against piracy flawed.This, of course, says nothing about the fact that almost all copyright is an attempt to retrofit property rights on to information.
Information is the result of a [i]service[/i].
The result is not property and should treated differently in legal terms.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28303231</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>Dr. Hellno</author>
	<datestamp>1244730660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yep that makes it totally cool. You've parsed the philosophy perfectly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep that makes it totally cool .
You 've parsed the philosophy perfectly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep that makes it totally cool.
You've parsed the philosophy perfectly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298221</id>
	<title>Questionable Statistics at Best</title>
	<author>swanzilla</author>
	<datestamp>1244750580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have my doubts that 373,375 Americans are engaged in full time piracy.  I have bigger doubts that Sen. Hatch has statisticians capable of producing a figure of jobs lost to piracy accurate to six significant figures.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have my doubts that 373,375 Americans are engaged in full time piracy .
I have bigger doubts that Sen. Hatch has statisticians capable of producing a figure of jobs lost to piracy accurate to six significant figures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have my doubts that 373,375 Americans are engaged in full time piracy.
I have bigger doubts that Sen. Hatch has statisticians capable of producing a figure of jobs lost to piracy accurate to six significant figures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28303189</id>
	<title>Yeah, I'm really disappointed too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244730480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"He expressed severe disappointment in Canada for showing up on our watch list for piracy next to China and Russia."</p><p>The same watch list that was quickly shown to be completely bogus with respect to the data used to put Canada on it?  It's almost like the U.S. doesn't care whether its "watch list" looks like a bad piece of propaganda, because here he is referring to it even after it is shown to be wrong.  And he demonstrated his ignorance in front of an international audience, no less.  What a disappointing performance by Senator Hatch.</p><p>Oh well, at least it isn't as bad as mistakenly thinking that the 9/11 terrorists entered the U.S. from Canada, which is a myth that still pops up from time to time even among people who should know better (e.g., like <a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090424/mccain\_mistake\_090424?hub=Canada" title="www.ctv.ca" rel="nofollow">John McCain and the current head of the U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security</a> [www.ctv.ca]).  I guess we should get used to being blamed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" He expressed severe disappointment in Canada for showing up on our watch list for piracy next to China and Russia .
" The same watch list that was quickly shown to be completely bogus with respect to the data used to put Canada on it ?
It 's almost like the U.S. does n't care whether its " watch list " looks like a bad piece of propaganda , because here he is referring to it even after it is shown to be wrong .
And he demonstrated his ignorance in front of an international audience , no less .
What a disappointing performance by Senator Hatch.Oh well , at least it is n't as bad as mistakenly thinking that the 9/11 terrorists entered the U.S. from Canada , which is a myth that still pops up from time to time even among people who should know better ( e.g. , like John McCain and the current head of the U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security [ www.ctv.ca ] ) .
I guess we should get used to being blamed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"He expressed severe disappointment in Canada for showing up on our watch list for piracy next to China and Russia.
"The same watch list that was quickly shown to be completely bogus with respect to the data used to put Canada on it?
It's almost like the U.S. doesn't care whether its "watch list" looks like a bad piece of propaganda, because here he is referring to it even after it is shown to be wrong.
And he demonstrated his ignorance in front of an international audience, no less.
What a disappointing performance by Senator Hatch.Oh well, at least it isn't as bad as mistakenly thinking that the 9/11 terrorists entered the U.S. from Canada, which is a myth that still pops up from time to time even among people who should know better (e.g., like John McCain and the current head of the U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security [www.ctv.ca]).
I guess we should get used to being blamed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28304399</id>
	<title>Re:Orin Hatch doesn't understand the law</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1244741400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, the USSR did peddle its influence - worldwide.  Were you alive during the Cold War?  They spared no expense to influence countries with ideology or outright bribes.<p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...ever since the beginning of the revolution it had been orthodox Communist strategy not to seek an open and general military confrontation with capitalist power, but rather precisely to avoid such confrontation and to conduct the attack on the capitalist world in a much more cautious manner, representing what Lenin termed a "state of partial war," and involving the elastic and opportunistic use of a wide variety of tactics including outstandingly such things as deception, concealed penetration and subversion, psychological warfare, and above all the adroit exploitation of every conceivable form of division in capitalist society, whether on the international scale or within the domestic framework of capitalist states.</p><p>
Large numbers of people, both in Western Europe and in the United States, were incapable of understanding the Russian technique of penetration and "partial war" or of thinking in terms of this technique.  They were capable of thinking about international developments only in the old-fashioned terms of full-fledged war or full-fledged peace.  It was inconceivable to them that there could be real and serious threats to the independence of their countries that did not come to them in the form of foreign armies marching across frontiers; and it was natural that in undertaking to combat what they conceived to be a foreign threat they should have turned to the old-fashioned and familiar expedient of military alliance.  They had understood that there was a threat; but they had not understood the nature of that threat, and were hardly capable of doing so.</p><p>
Nor was it possible for anyone to argue that this outlook was wholly wrong.  In the first place, the use of violence had never been ruled out of the Soviet bag of tricks; violence occupied, in fact, a prominent place in that collection.  One could not even say that international violence - that is, war - Whad been fully ruled out.  The Soviet outlook still allowed for the use of violence on the international scale in certain circumstances.  Its lack of plans for instigating major warfare at that particular time rested primarily on the peculiarities of a given situation which rendered such an idea unpromising and inexpedient.  Were the Western world to fall into a state of military weakness that constituted a direct invitation to cheap and easy aggression, it was quite possible that Soviet thinking might change.  Or again, were the political war to progress favorably enough from the Soviet standpoint, it was always possible that a decision might be taken to use the Red Army in the wake of successful political operations, for purposes of giving the decisive push or conducting the mopping-up operations at minor cost.  Any drastic alteration in the terms and course of the cold war, either to Soviet advantage or disadvantage, might in fact have operated to alter the Soviet attitude on war.</p><p>

Moscow had considered the successful instigation of civil war in a third country as a perfectly fair and acceptable political expedient, which anyone was entitled to get away with if he had the skill and enterprise to do so.<br>
-- George F. Kennan, U.S. ambassador to Moscow, 1952</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the USSR did peddle its influence - worldwide .
Were you alive during the Cold War ?
They spared no expense to influence countries with ideology or outright bribes .
...ever since the beginning of the revolution it had been orthodox Communist strategy not to seek an open and general military confrontation with capitalist power , but rather precisely to avoid such confrontation and to conduct the attack on the capitalist world in a much more cautious manner , representing what Lenin termed a " state of partial war , " and involving the elastic and opportunistic use of a wide variety of tactics including outstandingly such things as deception , concealed penetration and subversion , psychological warfare , and above all the adroit exploitation of every conceivable form of division in capitalist society , whether on the international scale or within the domestic framework of capitalist states .
Large numbers of people , both in Western Europe and in the United States , were incapable of understanding the Russian technique of penetration and " partial war " or of thinking in terms of this technique .
They were capable of thinking about international developments only in the old-fashioned terms of full-fledged war or full-fledged peace .
It was inconceivable to them that there could be real and serious threats to the independence of their countries that did not come to them in the form of foreign armies marching across frontiers ; and it was natural that in undertaking to combat what they conceived to be a foreign threat they should have turned to the old-fashioned and familiar expedient of military alliance .
They had understood that there was a threat ; but they had not understood the nature of that threat , and were hardly capable of doing so .
Nor was it possible for anyone to argue that this outlook was wholly wrong .
In the first place , the use of violence had never been ruled out of the Soviet bag of tricks ; violence occupied , in fact , a prominent place in that collection .
One could not even say that international violence - that is , war - Whad been fully ruled out .
The Soviet outlook still allowed for the use of violence on the international scale in certain circumstances .
Its lack of plans for instigating major warfare at that particular time rested primarily on the peculiarities of a given situation which rendered such an idea unpromising and inexpedient .
Were the Western world to fall into a state of military weakness that constituted a direct invitation to cheap and easy aggression , it was quite possible that Soviet thinking might change .
Or again , were the political war to progress favorably enough from the Soviet standpoint , it was always possible that a decision might be taken to use the Red Army in the wake of successful political operations , for purposes of giving the decisive push or conducting the mopping-up operations at minor cost .
Any drastic alteration in the terms and course of the cold war , either to Soviet advantage or disadvantage , might in fact have operated to alter the Soviet attitude on war .
Moscow had considered the successful instigation of civil war in a third country as a perfectly fair and acceptable political expedient , which anyone was entitled to get away with if he had the skill and enterprise to do so .
-- George F. Kennan , U.S. ambassador to Moscow , 1952</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the USSR did peddle its influence - worldwide.
Were you alive during the Cold War?
They spared no expense to influence countries with ideology or outright bribes.
...ever since the beginning of the revolution it had been orthodox Communist strategy not to seek an open and general military confrontation with capitalist power, but rather precisely to avoid such confrontation and to conduct the attack on the capitalist world in a much more cautious manner, representing what Lenin termed a "state of partial war," and involving the elastic and opportunistic use of a wide variety of tactics including outstandingly such things as deception, concealed penetration and subversion, psychological warfare, and above all the adroit exploitation of every conceivable form of division in capitalist society, whether on the international scale or within the domestic framework of capitalist states.
Large numbers of people, both in Western Europe and in the United States, were incapable of understanding the Russian technique of penetration and "partial war" or of thinking in terms of this technique.
They were capable of thinking about international developments only in the old-fashioned terms of full-fledged war or full-fledged peace.
It was inconceivable to them that there could be real and serious threats to the independence of their countries that did not come to them in the form of foreign armies marching across frontiers; and it was natural that in undertaking to combat what they conceived to be a foreign threat they should have turned to the old-fashioned and familiar expedient of military alliance.
They had understood that there was a threat; but they had not understood the nature of that threat, and were hardly capable of doing so.
Nor was it possible for anyone to argue that this outlook was wholly wrong.
In the first place, the use of violence had never been ruled out of the Soviet bag of tricks; violence occupied, in fact, a prominent place in that collection.
One could not even say that international violence - that is, war - Whad been fully ruled out.
The Soviet outlook still allowed for the use of violence on the international scale in certain circumstances.
Its lack of plans for instigating major warfare at that particular time rested primarily on the peculiarities of a given situation which rendered such an idea unpromising and inexpedient.
Were the Western world to fall into a state of military weakness that constituted a direct invitation to cheap and easy aggression, it was quite possible that Soviet thinking might change.
Or again, were the political war to progress favorably enough from the Soviet standpoint, it was always possible that a decision might be taken to use the Red Army in the wake of successful political operations, for purposes of giving the decisive push or conducting the mopping-up operations at minor cost.
Any drastic alteration in the terms and course of the cold war, either to Soviet advantage or disadvantage, might in fact have operated to alter the Soviet attitude on war.
Moscow had considered the successful instigation of civil war in a third country as a perfectly fair and acceptable political expedient, which anyone was entitled to get away with if he had the skill and enterprise to do so.
-- George F. Kennan, U.S. ambassador to Moscow, 1952</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28304643</id>
	<title>Silly Senator</title>
	<author>w1z4rd</author>
	<datestamp>1244745780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The money lost is calculated using Republican maths. (whats it with Americans and thick people?)

They lost how much? Using the same logic everyone who didnt buy a lotto ticket lost millions of dollars.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The money lost is calculated using Republican maths .
( whats it with Americans and thick people ?
) They lost how much ?
Using the same logic everyone who didnt buy a lotto ticket lost millions of dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The money lost is calculated using Republican maths.
(whats it with Americans and thick people?
)

They lost how much?
Using the same logic everyone who didnt buy a lotto ticket lost millions of dollars.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298059</id>
	<title>Blame Canada</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suppose it would be a waste of time to explain to this genius that the "problem" of file sharing in Canada is largely a <a href="http://www.canada.com/technology/Time+slay+Canada+file+sharing+myths/1676317/story.html" title="canada.com">myth</a> [canada.com] and has been <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/05/28/conference-board-copyright-geist.html" title="www.cbc.ca">discredited</a> [www.cbc.ca].</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose it would be a waste of time to explain to this genius that the " problem " of file sharing in Canada is largely a myth [ canada.com ] and has been discredited [ www.cbc.ca ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose it would be a waste of time to explain to this genius that the "problem" of file sharing in Canada is largely a myth [canada.com] and has been discredited [www.cbc.ca].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299199</id>
	<title>Re:I know $19k sounds like a lot of money...</title>
	<author>kilgortrout</author>
	<datestamp>1244710920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>$19k may not sound like a lot but how does $96k reported received by Sen. Hatch from "TV/Movies/Music" industry sound:<p>

<a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=2010&amp;cid=n00009869&amp;type=I&amp;mem=" title="opensecrets.org">http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=2010&amp;cid=n00009869&amp;type=I&amp;mem=</a> [opensecrets.org] </p><p> Especially when the largest industry group contributor, Lawyers/Law Firms, was only $426k and law firms are frequently proxies for the industry clients they serve. In addition, the largest single contributor to Sen Hatch's campaign, Xango LLC, a multilevel marketing outfit located in Utah, was only $46k. Given these facts, and all the soft money that never gets reported, $19k is more than enough to buy influence with a US senator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 19k may not sound like a lot but how does $ 96k reported received by Sen. Hatch from " TV/Movies/Music " industry sound : http : //www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php ? cycle = 2010&amp;cid = n00009869&amp;type = I&amp;mem = [ opensecrets.org ] Especially when the largest industry group contributor , Lawyers/Law Firms , was only $ 426k and law firms are frequently proxies for the industry clients they serve .
In addition , the largest single contributor to Sen Hatch 's campaign , Xango LLC , a multilevel marketing outfit located in Utah , was only $ 46k .
Given these facts , and all the soft money that never gets reported , $ 19k is more than enough to buy influence with a US senator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$19k may not sound like a lot but how does $96k reported received by Sen. Hatch from "TV/Movies/Music" industry sound:

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=2010&amp;cid=n00009869&amp;type=I&amp;mem= [opensecrets.org]  Especially when the largest industry group contributor, Lawyers/Law Firms, was only $426k and law firms are frequently proxies for the industry clients they serve.
In addition, the largest single contributor to Sen Hatch's campaign, Xango LLC, a multilevel marketing outfit located in Utah, was only $46k.
Given these facts, and all the soft money that never gets reported, $19k is more than enough to buy influence with a US senator.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299555</id>
	<title>Re:It often is a loss, and here's why</title>
	<author>pjt33</author>
	<datestamp>1244712240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I heard Bill Clinton doesn't inhale. Maybe they could use him as a case study...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard Bill Clinton does n't inhale .
Maybe they could use him as a case study.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard Bill Clinton doesn't inhale.
Maybe they could use him as a case study...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28309947</id>
	<title>Fuck United States, Fuck Mr. Hatch</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244828400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm Canadian. Sorry but US politicians lack any sort of basis to admonish any nation on any topic. If they're doing that, by definition they are worsening the terrible existing internal problems the US has, by expending their efforts elsewhere. If your Senators aren't focusing on fixing your nation for you, why don't you rip them out of their Senate seats and put someone there who represents you? Well yeah OK I guess if I were an American, I'd feel so bad that I would have to start pointing fingers too. The hell with Americans. You continually fail to not act like arrogant children.</p><p>PS. Hey almighty Senator, guess who you are in Canada? Just Orrin. Some Yank with no influence. And if I saw you I'd tell you to go back to your hellish plutarchy and stay there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm Canadian .
Sorry but US politicians lack any sort of basis to admonish any nation on any topic .
If they 're doing that , by definition they are worsening the terrible existing internal problems the US has , by expending their efforts elsewhere .
If your Senators are n't focusing on fixing your nation for you , why do n't you rip them out of their Senate seats and put someone there who represents you ?
Well yeah OK I guess if I were an American , I 'd feel so bad that I would have to start pointing fingers too .
The hell with Americans .
You continually fail to not act like arrogant children.PS .
Hey almighty Senator , guess who you are in Canada ?
Just Orrin .
Some Yank with no influence .
And if I saw you I 'd tell you to go back to your hellish plutarchy and stay there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm Canadian.
Sorry but US politicians lack any sort of basis to admonish any nation on any topic.
If they're doing that, by definition they are worsening the terrible existing internal problems the US has, by expending their efforts elsewhere.
If your Senators aren't focusing on fixing your nation for you, why don't you rip them out of their Senate seats and put someone there who represents you?
Well yeah OK I guess if I were an American, I'd feel so bad that I would have to start pointing fingers too.
The hell with Americans.
You continually fail to not act like arrogant children.PS.
Hey almighty Senator, guess who you are in Canada?
Just Orrin.
Some Yank with no influence.
And if I saw you I'd tell you to go back to your hellish plutarchy and stay there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298041</id>
	<title>So the Senator is applauding corrupt trials...</title>
	<author>Fallen Kell</author>
	<datestamp>1244750100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure glad that he is a senator then. I would love to see how he would feel if he was convicted in a trial and it turned out that the Judge was a high ranking member of the puppeteers of the prosecutor. Talk about trying to stack the deck. I know lets make sure the Judge is on our side and already believes us, that will make it much easier to make sure the outcome is the one we want.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure glad that he is a senator then .
I would love to see how he would feel if he was convicted in a trial and it turned out that the Judge was a high ranking member of the puppeteers of the prosecutor .
Talk about trying to stack the deck .
I know lets make sure the Judge is on our side and already believes us , that will make it much easier to make sure the outcome is the one we want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure glad that he is a senator then.
I would love to see how he would feel if he was convicted in a trial and it turned out that the Judge was a high ranking member of the puppeteers of the prosecutor.
Talk about trying to stack the deck.
I know lets make sure the Judge is on our side and already believes us, that will make it much easier to make sure the outcome is the one we want.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299457</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>JumpDrive</author>
	<datestamp>1244711940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Republicans just think they are more conservative than the Communist Party.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Republicans just think they are more conservative than the Communist Party .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Republicans just think they are more conservative than the Communist Party.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299209</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28308251</id>
	<title>Re:"373,375 jobs" Each year? Big fucking deal</title>
	<author>SoulRider</author>
	<datestamp>1244821680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aww, it makes it look like he is doing something important (fighting the baby killing pirates) and gets him re-elected.  All without really having to do anything but take soft money from an industry that gives nothing back to his home state.  Shouldnt we be questioning his constintuency instead?  Who are these clueless people who seem to have no idea what a tool their senator is? And shouldnt we be educating them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aww , it makes it look like he is doing something important ( fighting the baby killing pirates ) and gets him re-elected .
All without really having to do anything but take soft money from an industry that gives nothing back to his home state .
Shouldnt we be questioning his constintuency instead ?
Who are these clueless people who seem to have no idea what a tool their senator is ?
And shouldnt we be educating them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aww, it makes it look like he is doing something important (fighting the baby killing pirates) and gets him re-elected.
All without really having to do anything but take soft money from an industry that gives nothing back to his home state.
Shouldnt we be questioning his constintuency instead?
Who are these clueless people who seem to have no idea what a tool their senator is?
And shouldnt we be educating them?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298469</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298769</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244752740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The same place that MPAA, RIAA, ASCAP and the BSA gets them - They pull them out of their asses!  All a pack of rat-bastards!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same place that MPAA , RIAA , ASCAP and the BSA gets them - They pull them out of their asses !
All a pack of rat-bastards !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same place that MPAA, RIAA, ASCAP and the BSA gets them - They pull them out of their asses!
All a pack of rat-bastards!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297991</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28303707</id>
	<title>So linux lovers, what's the answer?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244735100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The model is broken. The people that create need to get paid for creating. The people that distribute and put up money for the creations need to get paid. Capitalism and a free market economy are essentially good things when there is decent oversight. So if you are proposing that there should be no copyright, and a great majority of the world's media is created and produced here in the US, then how do you propose the creators and producers get paid what they deserve - no more, no less - unless there are protections in place to keep their content from being freely distributed? I hear a lot of noise about how the RIAA and MPAA are evil and paranoidal (new word!) spellings of "Amerika" by immature ignoramuses, but haven't heard - or read- any real, viable alternatives for protecting the rights of the artists and the companies that represent them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The model is broken .
The people that create need to get paid for creating .
The people that distribute and put up money for the creations need to get paid .
Capitalism and a free market economy are essentially good things when there is decent oversight .
So if you are proposing that there should be no copyright , and a great majority of the world 's media is created and produced here in the US , then how do you propose the creators and producers get paid what they deserve - no more , no less - unless there are protections in place to keep their content from being freely distributed ?
I hear a lot of noise about how the RIAA and MPAA are evil and paranoidal ( new word !
) spellings of " Amerika " by immature ignoramuses , but have n't heard - or read- any real , viable alternatives for protecting the rights of the artists and the companies that represent them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The model is broken.
The people that create need to get paid for creating.
The people that distribute and put up money for the creations need to get paid.
Capitalism and a free market economy are essentially good things when there is decent oversight.
So if you are proposing that there should be no copyright, and a great majority of the world's media is created and produced here in the US, then how do you propose the creators and producers get paid what they deserve - no more, no less - unless there are protections in place to keep their content from being freely distributed?
I hear a lot of noise about how the RIAA and MPAA are evil and paranoidal (new word!
) spellings of "Amerika" by immature ignoramuses, but haven't heard - or read- any real, viable alternatives for protecting the rights of the artists and the companies that represent them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298561</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>b4dc0d3r</author>
	<datestamp>1244751900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In that case, the money goes to people who didn't contribute to his campaign.  So it's bad.</p><p>Except for the broadband companies - I guess there is some middle ground after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In that case , the money goes to people who did n't contribute to his campaign .
So it 's bad.Except for the broadband companies - I guess there is some middle ground after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In that case, the money goes to people who didn't contribute to his campaign.
So it's bad.Except for the broadband companies - I guess there is some middle ground after all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298079</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298065</id>
	<title>58 Billion that went elsewhere</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now what do you suppose the people that downloaded movies/music did with that money?</p><p>They couldn't <i>possibly</i> have spent that money elsewhere (most likely on a new HDD =)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now what do you suppose the people that downloaded movies/music did with that money ? They could n't possibly have spent that money elsewhere ( most likely on a new HDD = )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now what do you suppose the people that downloaded movies/music did with that money?They couldn't possibly have spent that money elsewhere (most likely on a new HDD =)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300271</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1244714820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have faith in conservatism, but no faith in Republicans to bring about conservatism.</p></div><p>Same here.  I've temporarily adopted the Libertarian party, not because it's a perfect fit, but because they do more than give lip service to supporting actual conservative principles.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have faith in conservatism , but no faith in Republicans to bring about conservatism.Same here .
I 've temporarily adopted the Libertarian party , not because it 's a perfect fit , but because they do more than give lip service to supporting actual conservative principles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have faith in conservatism, but no faith in Republicans to bring about conservatism.Same here.
I've temporarily adopted the Libertarian party, not because it's a perfect fit, but because they do more than give lip service to supporting actual conservative principles.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298515</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300827</id>
	<title>A silly strategy</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1244716680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One has to wonder how it is that a Republican Party that complains so often about the media and the arts world should bend over backwards so much to defend them.  Do we Republicans really think that Barbara Streisand is going to cry in love for us if suddenly we help her collect more royalties from the 1970s movies she made?  I'd say, cut her off, and cut off copyrights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One has to wonder how it is that a Republican Party that complains so often about the media and the arts world should bend over backwards so much to defend them .
Do we Republicans really think that Barbara Streisand is going to cry in love for us if suddenly we help her collect more royalties from the 1970s movies she made ?
I 'd say , cut her off , and cut off copyrights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One has to wonder how it is that a Republican Party that complains so often about the media and the arts world should bend over backwards so much to defend them.
Do we Republicans really think that Barbara Streisand is going to cry in love for us if suddenly we help her collect more royalties from the 1970s movies she made?
I'd say, cut her off, and cut off copyrights.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299379</id>
	<title>Re:$58 billion?</title>
	<author>twidarkling</author>
	<datestamp>1244711640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe the Broken Window argument is what most people use to attack that assertion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe the Broken Window argument is what most people use to attack that assertion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe the Broken Window argument is what most people use to attack that assertion.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298079</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299365</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1244711580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Today's republicans are like democrats from 50 years ago, today's democrats are like liberals from 50 years ago, and today's liberals are like libertarians from 50 years ago. I myself prefer to be independent and back any good ideas and shun any bad ones.<br> <br>50 years from today, I imagine politics will <b>still</b> suck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Today 's republicans are like democrats from 50 years ago , today 's democrats are like liberals from 50 years ago , and today 's liberals are like libertarians from 50 years ago .
I myself prefer to be independent and back any good ideas and shun any bad ones .
50 years from today , I imagine politics will still suck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Today's republicans are like democrats from 50 years ago, today's democrats are like liberals from 50 years ago, and today's liberals are like libertarians from 50 years ago.
I myself prefer to be independent and back any good ideas and shun any bad ones.
50 years from today, I imagine politics will still suck.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297873</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300009</id>
	<title>Close your own hatch first</title>
	<author>Ektanoor</author>
	<datestamp>1244713920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really, what Senator Hatch should do first is to take care of its own pirates like McColo, InterCage and alikes, who cost billions of dollars for millions of people all around the world. American Pirates who specially care to attack hundreds of thousands of russian sites stealing resources AND traffic with specialized trojans, semi-automatic robots and unique viruses.</p><p>Maybe russian taxpayers don't have billions of dolars to show Senator Hatch the cost of what american pirates do here. But I am pretty sure that many american citizens still can endure tens of billions of dolars, which does not happen to many russian citizens. Because for many of them, the cost of a high-tech McColo attack runs frequently from 1/3 to 5 times their monthly salaries. There are small companies here that went burned from something that originated in USA. Yes, playing absolute numbers is SOOOOOO COOOL. Watch the effects first, before crying wolf.</p><p>So many thanks for Senator Hatch to refer Canada, China and Russia as being in the top of US's Piracy watch-list. For us, it is YOU who are in the top!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , what Senator Hatch should do first is to take care of its own pirates like McColo , InterCage and alikes , who cost billions of dollars for millions of people all around the world .
American Pirates who specially care to attack hundreds of thousands of russian sites stealing resources AND traffic with specialized trojans , semi-automatic robots and unique viruses.Maybe russian taxpayers do n't have billions of dolars to show Senator Hatch the cost of what american pirates do here .
But I am pretty sure that many american citizens still can endure tens of billions of dolars , which does not happen to many russian citizens .
Because for many of them , the cost of a high-tech McColo attack runs frequently from 1/3 to 5 times their monthly salaries .
There are small companies here that went burned from something that originated in USA .
Yes , playing absolute numbers is SOOOOOO COOOL .
Watch the effects first , before crying wolf.So many thanks for Senator Hatch to refer Canada , China and Russia as being in the top of US 's Piracy watch-list .
For us , it is YOU who are in the top !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, what Senator Hatch should do first is to take care of its own pirates like McColo, InterCage and alikes, who cost billions of dollars for millions of people all around the world.
American Pirates who specially care to attack hundreds of thousands of russian sites stealing resources AND traffic with specialized trojans, semi-automatic robots and unique viruses.Maybe russian taxpayers don't have billions of dolars to show Senator Hatch the cost of what american pirates do here.
But I am pretty sure that many american citizens still can endure tens of billions of dolars, which does not happen to many russian citizens.
Because for many of them, the cost of a high-tech McColo attack runs frequently from 1/3 to 5 times their monthly salaries.
There are small companies here that went burned from something that originated in USA.
Yes, playing absolute numbers is SOOOOOO COOOL.
Watch the effects first, before crying wolf.So many thanks for Senator Hatch to refer Canada, China and Russia as being in the top of US's Piracy watch-list.
For us, it is YOU who are in the top!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298925</id>
	<title>Re:It often is a loss, and here's why</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244753160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that 'piracy', or as I like to call it 'making a copy' has always been around. People have always 'pirated' anything they could get their hands on. I've heard the entire cloth industry of the early United States owes its existence to machine designs 'pirated'  from England. Early recorded music was not pirated simply because it was so difficult to do, but the sheet music was constantly copied. Even the bands themselves were 'pirated' with musicians touring different parts of the United States under the names of famous bands. Early movies were constantly 'pirated' with projectionists and movie-house managers making prints of the movies for their other theaters or selling them.<br>It is only since the introduction of cheap recording devices and media that 'pirating' recorded music and movies has become affordable to the masses. Remember the cassette tape? Record companies wanted to ban devices that could copy records to tape or even record from the radio. VHS brought the exact same outcry with several attempts to ban tape-to-tape recorders. Then CDs came out and shortly after the wide-spread use of PCs. The record companies slit their own throats when they failed to shift to a new media that couldn't be copied using a PC. And the movie companies WALKED RIGHT INTO IT with DVDs.<br>'Pirating' has always been around and it will always be around and yet record companies and movie studios still managed to make tons of money. They won't be happy now until they can make a CD or a DVD a cheaply as possible and have anyone who dares to copy it arrested.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that 'piracy ' , or as I like to call it 'making a copy ' has always been around .
People have always 'pirated ' anything they could get their hands on .
I 've heard the entire cloth industry of the early United States owes its existence to machine designs 'pirated ' from England .
Early recorded music was not pirated simply because it was so difficult to do , but the sheet music was constantly copied .
Even the bands themselves were 'pirated ' with musicians touring different parts of the United States under the names of famous bands .
Early movies were constantly 'pirated ' with projectionists and movie-house managers making prints of the movies for their other theaters or selling them.It is only since the introduction of cheap recording devices and media that 'pirating ' recorded music and movies has become affordable to the masses .
Remember the cassette tape ?
Record companies wanted to ban devices that could copy records to tape or even record from the radio .
VHS brought the exact same outcry with several attempts to ban tape-to-tape recorders .
Then CDs came out and shortly after the wide-spread use of PCs .
The record companies slit their own throats when they failed to shift to a new media that could n't be copied using a PC .
And the movie companies WALKED RIGHT INTO IT with DVDs .
'Pirating ' has always been around and it will always be around and yet record companies and movie studios still managed to make tons of money .
They wo n't be happy now until they can make a CD or a DVD a cheaply as possible and have anyone who dares to copy it arrested .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that 'piracy', or as I like to call it 'making a copy' has always been around.
People have always 'pirated' anything they could get their hands on.
I've heard the entire cloth industry of the early United States owes its existence to machine designs 'pirated'  from England.
Early recorded music was not pirated simply because it was so difficult to do, but the sheet music was constantly copied.
Even the bands themselves were 'pirated' with musicians touring different parts of the United States under the names of famous bands.
Early movies were constantly 'pirated' with projectionists and movie-house managers making prints of the movies for their other theaters or selling them.It is only since the introduction of cheap recording devices and media that 'pirating' recorded music and movies has become affordable to the masses.
Remember the cassette tape?
Record companies wanted to ban devices that could copy records to tape or even record from the radio.
VHS brought the exact same outcry with several attempts to ban tape-to-tape recorders.
Then CDs came out and shortly after the wide-spread use of PCs.
The record companies slit their own throats when they failed to shift to a new media that couldn't be copied using a PC.
And the movie companies WALKED RIGHT INTO IT with DVDs.
'Pirating' has always been around and it will always be around and yet record companies and movie studios still managed to make tons of money.
They won't be happy now until they can make a CD or a DVD a cheaply as possible and have anyone who dares to copy it arrested.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298473</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28302539</id>
	<title>Modern Government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244725380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Orrin Hatch (R-Utah): Bitch of the RIAA and MPAA. Will do anything and everything for the highest bidder. We really need to get the Utah populace to eject this piece of "work" out of his current position and into an appropriate one; namely, giving unspeakable acts to random passers-by on the street for money. What would be the difference? Only that he wouldn't hurt as many people this way and his lust for money would be satiated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Orrin Hatch ( R-Utah ) : Bitch of the RIAA and MPAA .
Will do anything and everything for the highest bidder .
We really need to get the Utah populace to eject this piece of " work " out of his current position and into an appropriate one ; namely , giving unspeakable acts to random passers-by on the street for money .
What would be the difference ?
Only that he would n't hurt as many people this way and his lust for money would be satiated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Orrin Hatch (R-Utah): Bitch of the RIAA and MPAA.
Will do anything and everything for the highest bidder.
We really need to get the Utah populace to eject this piece of "work" out of his current position and into an appropriate one; namely, giving unspeakable acts to random passers-by on the street for money.
What would be the difference?
Only that he wouldn't hurt as many people this way and his lust for money would be satiated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28301375</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss -- and other wrong things</title>
	<author>Sj0</author>
	<datestamp>1244718840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Our banks would be a hell of a lot more solvent right now if people would park a bit more money in their savings accounts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Our banks would be a hell of a lot more solvent right now if people would park a bit more money in their savings accounts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our banks would be a hell of a lot more solvent right now if people would park a bit more money in their savings accounts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299053</id>
	<title>Ahem.</title>
	<author>Pahalial</author>
	<datestamp>1244753580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.copycense.com/2009/06/foreign\_affairs\_as\_the\_new\_copyright\_law\_part\_2\_of\_3.html" title="copycense.com">This is a great piece</a> [copycense.com] about the Section 301 Report. Basically, this is pure political posturing because we haven't implemented the DMCA - the actual data about piracy and copyright violation does not lend any substance to Canada's placement on that watch list.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a great piece [ copycense.com ] about the Section 301 Report .
Basically , this is pure political posturing because we have n't implemented the DMCA - the actual data about piracy and copyright violation does not lend any substance to Canada 's placement on that watch list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a great piece [copycense.com] about the Section 301 Report.
Basically, this is pure political posturing because we haven't implemented the DMCA - the actual data about piracy and copyright violation does not lend any substance to Canada's placement on that watch list.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28303111</id>
	<title>Making up loss stats</title>
	<author>Jason Levine</author>
	<datestamp>1244729700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Senator Hatch also said, 'In fact, one study reports that each year, copyright piracy from motion pictures, sound recordings, business and entertainment software, and video games costs the US economy $58 billion in total output, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.'</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, according to some studies (conducted by me) Senator Hatch has cost Slashdotters an average of $3,141 per month in earnings and has led to 562 workers per week losing their jobs.  I can't tell you my methodology, but it's the same as the entertainment industries.  Here's a hint. It rhymes with: Bulled the Frumbers out of Vly Gear.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Senator Hatch also said , 'In fact , one study reports that each year , copyright piracy from motion pictures , sound recordings , business and entertainment software , and video games costs the US economy $ 58 billion in total output , costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $ 16.3 billion in earnings , and costs federal , state , and local governments $ 2.6 billion in tax revenue .
'Well , according to some studies ( conducted by me ) Senator Hatch has cost Slashdotters an average of $ 3,141 per month in earnings and has led to 562 workers per week losing their jobs .
I ca n't tell you my methodology , but it 's the same as the entertainment industries .
Here 's a hint .
It rhymes with : Bulled the Frumbers out of Vly Gear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Senator Hatch also said, 'In fact, one study reports that each year, copyright piracy from motion pictures, sound recordings, business and entertainment software, and video games costs the US economy $58 billion in total output, costs American workers 373,375 jobs and $16.3 billion in earnings, and costs federal, state, and local governments $2.6 billion in tax revenue.
'Well, according to some studies (conducted by me) Senator Hatch has cost Slashdotters an average of $3,141 per month in earnings and has led to 562 workers per week losing their jobs.
I can't tell you my methodology, but it's the same as the entertainment industries.
Here's a hint.
It rhymes with: Bulled the Frumbers out of Vly Gear.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298501</id>
	<title>Re:Blame Canada</title>
	<author>jamstar7</author>
	<datestamp>1244751720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm thinking Orrin's just trying to justify the US invading Canada &amp; annexing it.  Too bad, it was a nice place to visit once upon a time in the 70's...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm thinking Orrin 's just trying to justify the US invading Canada &amp; annexing it .
Too bad , it was a nice place to visit once upon a time in the 70 's.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm thinking Orrin's just trying to justify the US invading Canada &amp; annexing it.
Too bad, it was a nice place to visit once upon a time in the 70's...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298059</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299319</id>
	<title>Obligatory Snow Crash Reference</title>
	<author>RevWaldo</author>
	<datestamp>1244711400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can't believe he admitted it.  "After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors."</p></div><p> <i>When it gets down to it - talking trade balances here - once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here - once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel - once the Invisible Hand has taken away all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity - y'know what? There's only four things we do better than anyone else:<br> <br>
 - music<br>
 - movies<br>
 - microcode<br>
 - high-speed pizza delivery<br> <br> <br>
</i></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe he admitted it .
" After all , US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America 's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors .
" When it gets down to it - talking trade balances here - once we 've brain-drained all our technology into other countries , once things have evened out , they 're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here - once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel - once the Invisible Hand has taken away all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity - y'know what ?
There 's only four things we do better than anyone else : - music - movies - microcode - high-speed pizza delivery</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe he admitted it.
"After all, US copyright-based industries continue to be one of America's largest and fastest-growing economic sectors.
" When it gets down to it - talking trade balances here - once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here - once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel - once the Invisible Hand has taken away all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity - y'know what?
There's only four things we do better than anyone else: 
 - music
 - movies
 - microcode
 - high-speed pizza delivery  

	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297947</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28301213</id>
	<title>Re:Blame Canada</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244718180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given how many USAians *still* believe the September 11 hijackers came into the US from Canada....</p><p>The US does *not* want to be bothered with facts, for heaven's sake...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given how many USAians * still * believe the September 11 hijackers came into the US from Canada....The US does * not * want to be bothered with facts , for heaven 's sake.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given how many USAians *still* believe the September 11 hijackers came into the US from Canada....The US does *not* want to be bothered with facts, for heaven's sake...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298059</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28304601</id>
	<title>Go Canada :)</title>
	<author>toby</author>
	<datestamp>1244745060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better to be on that list than <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22732661/" title="msn.com">this one.</a> [msn.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better to be on that list than this one .
[ msn.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better to be on that list than this one.
[msn.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298273</id>
	<title>Is Hatch a capitalist or aristocrat?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>People complain that we are going socialist, but how long has Hatch been in office, and how long has he been shouting these socialist ideals.  Sure someone, somewhere might be losing all that money, but who cares!  Look at how much money Chrysler lost, Than god we live a more or less capitalist economy, so even though they could take away tax money to throw after bad, at least Hatch did not have the power to force me to buy an American Car, though by his statements I am sure he would have wanted to.
<p>
If someone is losing money, it is not because someone else is stealing it.  It is because the product is not competitive.  If an album is not selling, it is not because of piracy, it is because it is not competitive.  Either enough money has not been spent on marketing, or it is priced too high, or it is too hard to get. How many of us pay more to get milk from the corner store. How many of us would pay that same high price at the big grocery stores.  Recorded music still has value, just not the value it did.  I am sure Mr. Hatch is confused to why a audio tape manufacturers are not making as much as they did, and probably wanted to a bailout to help them.  Under his logic, I could build a fishing pole, sell it for a while, then make it more expensive or reduce the quality, then claim that pirates have stolen my design and I need the feds help.
</p><p>
Although economics is not a zero sum game, one person does sometimes get rich at the expense of another, or at least that is the perception.  The music industry is currently in an uproar that it cannot extort more money from the radio stations.  Sure the music industry provides the raw materials, but it is the radio station that adds value.   What I would like to see an end to compulsory licensing.  They could use a bid based system, you know, we will play you album on the station only if you charge this much and no more.  Oh, you want the money you used to get, won't happen.  Not in a capitalist market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People complain that we are going socialist , but how long has Hatch been in office , and how long has he been shouting these socialist ideals .
Sure someone , somewhere might be losing all that money , but who cares !
Look at how much money Chrysler lost , Than god we live a more or less capitalist economy , so even though they could take away tax money to throw after bad , at least Hatch did not have the power to force me to buy an American Car , though by his statements I am sure he would have wanted to .
If someone is losing money , it is not because someone else is stealing it .
It is because the product is not competitive .
If an album is not selling , it is not because of piracy , it is because it is not competitive .
Either enough money has not been spent on marketing , or it is priced too high , or it is too hard to get .
How many of us pay more to get milk from the corner store .
How many of us would pay that same high price at the big grocery stores .
Recorded music still has value , just not the value it did .
I am sure Mr. Hatch is confused to why a audio tape manufacturers are not making as much as they did , and probably wanted to a bailout to help them .
Under his logic , I could build a fishing pole , sell it for a while , then make it more expensive or reduce the quality , then claim that pirates have stolen my design and I need the feds help .
Although economics is not a zero sum game , one person does sometimes get rich at the expense of another , or at least that is the perception .
The music industry is currently in an uproar that it can not extort more money from the radio stations .
Sure the music industry provides the raw materials , but it is the radio station that adds value .
What I would like to see an end to compulsory licensing .
They could use a bid based system , you know , we will play you album on the station only if you charge this much and no more .
Oh , you want the money you used to get , wo n't happen .
Not in a capitalist market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People complain that we are going socialist, but how long has Hatch been in office, and how long has he been shouting these socialist ideals.
Sure someone, somewhere might be losing all that money, but who cares!
Look at how much money Chrysler lost, Than god we live a more or less capitalist economy, so even though they could take away tax money to throw after bad, at least Hatch did not have the power to force me to buy an American Car, though by his statements I am sure he would have wanted to.
If someone is losing money, it is not because someone else is stealing it.
It is because the product is not competitive.
If an album is not selling, it is not because of piracy, it is because it is not competitive.
Either enough money has not been spent on marketing, or it is priced too high, or it is too hard to get.
How many of us pay more to get milk from the corner store.
How many of us would pay that same high price at the big grocery stores.
Recorded music still has value, just not the value it did.
I am sure Mr. Hatch is confused to why a audio tape manufacturers are not making as much as they did, and probably wanted to a bailout to help them.
Under his logic, I could build a fishing pole, sell it for a while, then make it more expensive or reduce the quality, then claim that pirates have stolen my design and I need the feds help.
Although economics is not a zero sum game, one person does sometimes get rich at the expense of another, or at least that is the perception.
The music industry is currently in an uproar that it cannot extort more money from the radio stations.
Sure the music industry provides the raw materials, but it is the radio station that adds value.
What I would like to see an end to compulsory licensing.
They could use a bid based system, you know, we will play you album on the station only if you charge this much and no more.
Oh, you want the money you used to get, won't happen.
Not in a capitalist market.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28300291</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>code4fun</author>
	<datestamp>1244714880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just to be clear, Sen. Orrin does not represent every republican's view on this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to be clear , Sen. Orrin does not represent every republican 's view on this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to be clear, Sen. Orrin does not represent every republican's view on this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298421</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298703</id>
	<title>I fear for the world</title>
	<author>pembo13</author>
	<datestamp>1244752500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the USA takes to protecting imaginary property to strongly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the USA takes to protecting imaginary property to strongly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the USA takes to protecting imaginary property to strongly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28301485</id>
	<title>Re:I know $19k sounds like a lot of money...</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1244719260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>One is to get him replaced. The other is to get him to change his mind. Getting him replaced is going to be really, really hard.</i></p><p>Actually not so hard as you might think, depending on how far you're willing to go, which is of and in itself a problem. The real trouble is that getting him replaced accomplishes nothing if he's replaced with someone else who can be paid to hold the same opinion.</p><p><i>The other possibility is that you could get him to come around to seeing how much economic damage the RIAA and MPAA positions are doing to our economy. I think that's pretty hard too. But maybe not impossible.</i></p><p>You don't need to convince him of anything. You need to have deeper pockets and give him more money than these people are offering. That's not even remotely possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One is to get him replaced .
The other is to get him to change his mind .
Getting him replaced is going to be really , really hard.Actually not so hard as you might think , depending on how far you 're willing to go , which is of and in itself a problem .
The real trouble is that getting him replaced accomplishes nothing if he 's replaced with someone else who can be paid to hold the same opinion.The other possibility is that you could get him to come around to seeing how much economic damage the RIAA and MPAA positions are doing to our economy .
I think that 's pretty hard too .
But maybe not impossible.You do n't need to convince him of anything .
You need to have deeper pockets and give him more money than these people are offering .
That 's not even remotely possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One is to get him replaced.
The other is to get him to change his mind.
Getting him replaced is going to be really, really hard.Actually not so hard as you might think, depending on how far you're willing to go, which is of and in itself a problem.
The real trouble is that getting him replaced accomplishes nothing if he's replaced with someone else who can be paid to hold the same opinion.The other possibility is that you could get him to come around to seeing how much economic damage the RIAA and MPAA positions are doing to our economy.
I think that's pretty hard too.
But maybe not impossible.You don't need to convince him of anything.
You need to have deeper pockets and give him more money than these people are offering.
That's not even remotely possible.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28301401</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>Vexorian</author>
	<datestamp>1244718900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>How many would have bought the movie/game if you could NOT download it? I know of plenty of people that download games/movies because they don't believe they are worth it to buy them.</p></div></blockquote><p>

I don't think removing piracy would magically make these games/movies worth buying...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many would have bought the movie/game if you could NOT download it ?
I know of plenty of people that download games/movies because they do n't believe they are worth it to buy them .
I do n't think removing piracy would magically make these games/movies worth buying.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many would have bought the movie/game if you could NOT download it?
I know of plenty of people that download games/movies because they don't believe they are worth it to buy them.
I don't think removing piracy would magically make these games/movies worth buying...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298913</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299245</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA Tax</title>
	<author>Jester998</author>
	<datestamp>1244711100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is, but little-to-none of it takes the form of kickbacks to US Senators, which is why he's all up in arms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is , but little-to-none of it takes the form of kickbacks to US Senators , which is why he 's all up in arms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is, but little-to-none of it takes the form of kickbacks to US Senators, which is why he's all up in arms.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298095</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297991</id>
	<title>$58 billion?</title>
	<author>Quantus347</author>
	<datestamp>1244749920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Where exactly did he get his numbers? I wonder?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where exactly did he get his numbers ?
I wonder ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where exactly did he get his numbers?
I wonder?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28302081</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Loss</title>
	<author>init100</author>
	<datestamp>1244722260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How many would have bought the movie/game if you could NOT download it?</p></div><p>I don't pirate games, I buy them. But that also means that I'm very picky about what I buy, which means that I'll only buy such games that I'm fairly certain will be a lot of fun to me. If I would pirate games instead, this cost/benefit calculation would go out the window, and I could also download the less certain cases, i.e. games that could be fun, but just as likely could be pure crap.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many would have bought the movie/game if you could NOT download it ? I do n't pirate games , I buy them .
But that also means that I 'm very picky about what I buy , which means that I 'll only buy such games that I 'm fairly certain will be a lot of fun to me .
If I would pirate games instead , this cost/benefit calculation would go out the window , and I could also download the less certain cases , i.e .
games that could be fun , but just as likely could be pure crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many would have bought the movie/game if you could NOT download it?I don't pirate games, I buy them.
But that also means that I'm very picky about what I buy, which means that I'll only buy such games that I'm fairly certain will be a lot of fun to me.
If I would pirate games instead, this cost/benefit calculation would go out the window, and I could also download the less certain cases, i.e.
games that could be fun, but just as likely could be pure crap.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298913</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28305603</id>
	<title>halfwit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244803140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does he come from a state where marrying a close relative is mandatory?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does he come from a state where marrying a close relative is mandatory ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does he come from a state where marrying a close relative is mandatory?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28329593</id>
	<title>Orrin Hatch is a Mor(m)on</title>
	<author>jhylkema</author>
	<datestamp>1244977440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As such, he believes that Joseph Smith, a convicted fraudster, found a cache of gold plates that were supposedly left there by a tribe of Israelites (Nephites) who came to America.  Said convicted fraudster allegedly dug up said gold plates and a pair of sacred spectacles that allowed him to read said plates.  The story gleaned from this became the Book of Mormon, a tome full of tales that are utterly absurd and have no basis in any mainstream science.</p><p>Given that Orrin Hatch believes this crap, it's only a short hop to believing that Canada is as bad as China and Russia with respect to copyright infringement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As such , he believes that Joseph Smith , a convicted fraudster , found a cache of gold plates that were supposedly left there by a tribe of Israelites ( Nephites ) who came to America .
Said convicted fraudster allegedly dug up said gold plates and a pair of sacred spectacles that allowed him to read said plates .
The story gleaned from this became the Book of Mormon , a tome full of tales that are utterly absurd and have no basis in any mainstream science.Given that Orrin Hatch believes this crap , it 's only a short hop to believing that Canada is as bad as China and Russia with respect to copyright infringement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As such, he believes that Joseph Smith, a convicted fraudster, found a cache of gold plates that were supposedly left there by a tribe of Israelites (Nephites) who came to America.
Said convicted fraudster allegedly dug up said gold plates and a pair of sacred spectacles that allowed him to read said plates.
The story gleaned from this became the Book of Mormon, a tome full of tales that are utterly absurd and have no basis in any mainstream science.Given that Orrin Hatch believes this crap, it's only a short hop to believing that Canada is as bad as China and Russia with respect to copyright infringement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298145</id>
	<title>On that note</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is estimated that the US printing industry lost Eleventy Billion Dollars in book sales last year from all those freeloading bastards reading at their local public library, which also contributed to heavy losses in the paper manufacturing industry....</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is estimated that the US printing industry lost Eleventy Billion Dollars in book sales last year from all those freeloading bastards reading at their local public library , which also contributed to heavy losses in the paper manufacturing industry... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is estimated that the US printing industry lost Eleventy Billion Dollars in book sales last year from all those freeloading bastards reading at their local public library, which also contributed to heavy losses in the paper manufacturing industry....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28303425</id>
	<title>Re:Lack of Understanding of Economics?</title>
	<author>KiloByte</author>
	<datestamp>1244732520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed, that money could be used for something of value instead.  It's kind of the parable of broken glass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed , that money could be used for something of value instead .
It 's kind of the parable of broken glass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed, that money could be used for something of value instead.
It's kind of the parable of broken glass.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28298213</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28303151</id>
	<title>Re:OK republican shills</title>
	<author>CarpetShark</author>
	<datestamp>1244730060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shouldn't that be, "OK republican idiots, start defending this shill"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't that be , " OK republican idiots , start defending this shill " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't that be, "OK republican idiots, start defending this shill"?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28297873</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_1827251.28299255</id>
	<title>Nice twist...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244711160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>During this time of economic turmoil, we must ensure that all copyrighted works, both here and abroad, are protected from <b>online theft</b> and traditional <i>physical piracy</i>.</p></div><p> (emphasis mine)<br>
Wow... just wow.. when was the last time pirates looted ships for copyrighted works?!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>During this time of economic turmoil , we must ensure that all copyrighted works , both here and abroad , are protected from online theft and traditional physical piracy .
( emphasis mine ) Wow... just wow.. when was the last time pirates looted ships for copyrighted works ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During this time of economic turmoil, we must ensure that all copyrighted works, both here and abroad, are protected from online theft and traditional physical piracy.
(emphasis mine)
Wow... just wow.. when was the last time pirates looted ships for copyrighted works?
!
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