<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_09_0022210</id>
	<title>iPhone Users Angry Over AT&amp;T Upgrade Policy</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1244550540000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>All is not sweetness and light in the wake of the <a href="//apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/06/08/197202&amp;tid=3">Apple WWDC kickoff announcements</a>, especially concerning the evolution of the iPhone. Reader <a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes: <i>"AT&amp;T will offer the new iPhone 3G S when it debuts later this month at a cost of $199 and $299 for the 16GB and 32GB models, but <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal\_tech/iphone/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=217800166">only to new customers and those who qualify for the discounted price</a>. AT&amp;T subscribers with an iPhone 3G who are not eligible for an upgrade &mdash; those not near the end of their two-year contracts &mdash; will have to pay $200 more &mdash; $399 for the 16GB model and $499 for the 32GB model. 'This is ridiculous and slap in the face to long-time loyal iPhone customers like me who switched from T-Mobile and the only reason was the iPhone,' writes one unhappy iPhone customer. 'We have to mount a vigorous campaign to change this policy. Call your local AT&amp;T and ask for the manager and complain. Send e-mails and post in forums everywhere.' The issue is spurring heavy debate on support discussion forums, with some customers supporting AT&amp;T. 'The option you have is to honor the contract you freely committed yourself to,' says one forum member. 'If you want to upgrade early then you will have to pay full price with no subsidy discount. <a href="http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=apple&amp;thread.id=74718&amp;view=by\_date\_ascending&amp;page=1">You can't blame anyone but yourself for your predicament</a>.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>All is not sweetness and light in the wake of the Apple WWDC kickoff announcements , especially concerning the evolution of the iPhone .
Reader Hugh Pickens writes : " AT&amp;T will offer the new iPhone 3G S when it debuts later this month at a cost of $ 199 and $ 299 for the 16GB and 32GB models , but only to new customers and those who qualify for the discounted price .
AT&amp;T subscribers with an iPhone 3G who are not eligible for an upgrade    those not near the end of their two-year contracts    will have to pay $ 200 more    $ 399 for the 16GB model and $ 499 for the 32GB model .
'This is ridiculous and slap in the face to long-time loyal iPhone customers like me who switched from T-Mobile and the only reason was the iPhone, ' writes one unhappy iPhone customer .
'We have to mount a vigorous campaign to change this policy .
Call your local AT&amp;T and ask for the manager and complain .
Send e-mails and post in forums everywhere .
' The issue is spurring heavy debate on support discussion forums , with some customers supporting AT&amp;T .
'The option you have is to honor the contract you freely committed yourself to, ' says one forum member .
'If you want to upgrade early then you will have to pay full price with no subsidy discount .
You ca n't blame anyone but yourself for your predicament .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All is not sweetness and light in the wake of the Apple WWDC kickoff announcements, especially concerning the evolution of the iPhone.
Reader Hugh Pickens writes: "AT&amp;T will offer the new iPhone 3G S when it debuts later this month at a cost of $199 and $299 for the 16GB and 32GB models, but only to new customers and those who qualify for the discounted price.
AT&amp;T subscribers with an iPhone 3G who are not eligible for an upgrade — those not near the end of their two-year contracts — will have to pay $200 more — $399 for the 16GB model and $499 for the 32GB model.
'This is ridiculous and slap in the face to long-time loyal iPhone customers like me who switched from T-Mobile and the only reason was the iPhone,' writes one unhappy iPhone customer.
'We have to mount a vigorous campaign to change this policy.
Call your local AT&amp;T and ask for the manager and complain.
Send e-mails and post in forums everywhere.
' The issue is spurring heavy debate on support discussion forums, with some customers supporting AT&amp;T.
'The option you have is to honor the contract you freely committed yourself to,' says one forum member.
'If you want to upgrade early then you will have to pay full price with no subsidy discount.
You can't blame anyone but yourself for your predicament.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263719</id>
	<title>There are better options</title>
	<author>Longhair</author>
	<datestamp>1244551380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just go with a real smart phone like Nokia N97 or Palm Pre. They beat the crap out of iPhone in features and versatility and give you much better value for money, and you don't have make life long deal with the operator, at least not with Nokia devices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just go with a real smart phone like Nokia N97 or Palm Pre .
They beat the crap out of iPhone in features and versatility and give you much better value for money , and you do n't have make life long deal with the operator , at least not with Nokia devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just go with a real smart phone like Nokia N97 or Palm Pre.
They beat the crap out of iPhone in features and versatility and give you much better value for money, and you don't have make life long deal with the operator, at least not with Nokia devices.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262237</id>
	<title>They Paid Me $50 To Take My Phone</title>
	<author>krick-zero</author>
	<datestamp>1244490060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a Nokia 6236i phone from Verizon when I signed my 1 year contract about 3 years ago.  After all fees and rebates, I ended up +$50 in the deal.  Guess what?  It does everything a phone should do.  I can make outgoing calls and receive incoming calls.  Mission accomplished.

If you're the kind of dipshit who buys an iPhone for multiple hundreds of dollars just so you can show it off at Starbucks during the day and rub your penis on the touch screen at night, then you should just shut your mouth, bend over, and happily take whatever Apple and AT&amp;T want to give you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Nokia 6236i phone from Verizon when I signed my 1 year contract about 3 years ago .
After all fees and rebates , I ended up + $ 50 in the deal .
Guess what ?
It does everything a phone should do .
I can make outgoing calls and receive incoming calls .
Mission accomplished .
If you 're the kind of dipshit who buys an iPhone for multiple hundreds of dollars just so you can show it off at Starbucks during the day and rub your penis on the touch screen at night , then you should just shut your mouth , bend over , and happily take whatever Apple and AT&amp;T want to give you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Nokia 6236i phone from Verizon when I signed my 1 year contract about 3 years ago.
After all fees and rebates, I ended up +$50 in the deal.
Guess what?
It does everything a phone should do.
I can make outgoing calls and receive incoming calls.
Mission accomplished.
If you're the kind of dipshit who buys an iPhone for multiple hundreds of dollars just so you can show it off at Starbucks during the day and rub your penis on the touch screen at night, then you should just shut your mouth, bend over, and happily take whatever Apple and AT&amp;T want to give you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28274873</id>
	<title>Use you heads people!!!!!!!!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244565420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its very damn easy, use your head, go destroy your iphone!!!<br>Later, call ATT and tell them it broke! they will send you a brand new Iphone for the same price price that you paid before and they will not send you a iphone 3g, you will get the new 3gs phone</p><p>You see how easy it is...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>And att will have to stop your account and not charging you or give you back your iphone<br>and of course they prefer to send you the new iphone then loosing you as a Customer</p><p>Have a Good day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its very damn easy , use your head , go destroy your iphone ! !
! Later , call ATT and tell them it broke !
they will send you a brand new Iphone for the same price price that you paid before and they will not send you a iphone 3g , you will get the new 3gs phoneYou see how easy it is... : ) And att will have to stop your account and not charging you or give you back your iphoneand of course they prefer to send you the new iphone then loosing you as a CustomerHave a Good day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its very damn easy, use your head, go destroy your iphone!!
!Later, call ATT and tell them it broke!
they will send you a brand new Iphone for the same price price that you paid before and they will not send you a iphone 3g, you will get the new 3gs phoneYou see how easy it is... :)And att will have to stop your account and not charging you or give you back your iphoneand of course they prefer to send you the new iphone then loosing you as a CustomerHave a Good day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259237</id>
	<title>I am incredibly upset about this.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Things I'm also upset about:</p><p>No more free lunches.<br>Gas costing more than $0.05 a gallon.<br>Having to walk more than three feet from my car to my local superstore.<br>The fact that I wasn't born in a time where peace was on earth, everything is free, and we're all immortal.</p><p>I'm so angry that I'm punching a wall and hoping someone will pay for its repair as we speak.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Things I 'm also upset about : No more free lunches.Gas costing more than $ 0.05 a gallon.Having to walk more than three feet from my car to my local superstore.The fact that I was n't born in a time where peace was on earth , everything is free , and we 're all immortal.I 'm so angry that I 'm punching a wall and hoping someone will pay for its repair as we speak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Things I'm also upset about:No more free lunches.Gas costing more than $0.05 a gallon.Having to walk more than three feet from my car to my local superstore.The fact that I wasn't born in a time where peace was on earth, everything is free, and we're all immortal.I'm so angry that I'm punching a wall and hoping someone will pay for its repair as we speak.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259495</id>
	<title>AT&amp;T is stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244469480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it's fucked up because of how short sighted they are.  instead of eating $200 and letting me buy a new one and signing a NEW 2-year contract, they are trying to fuck existing users in the ass.  of course that's how subsidies work, people aren't pissed about that you fucking retards.  what they are pissed about is the total lack of customer loyalty AT&amp;T is showing, which is especially infuriating because their services SUCKS DONKEY ASSHOLE.  Providers make their money from services, they should just extend existing users contracts by two years.  I'm speaking with my wallet and telling AT&amp;T to go fuck themselves, no new iPhone for me and time to cancel my shitty service, in Los Angeles of all places I can't use my phone.  It's ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's fucked up because of how short sighted they are .
instead of eating $ 200 and letting me buy a new one and signing a NEW 2-year contract , they are trying to fuck existing users in the ass .
of course that 's how subsidies work , people are n't pissed about that you fucking retards .
what they are pissed about is the total lack of customer loyalty AT&amp;T is showing , which is especially infuriating because their services SUCKS DONKEY ASSHOLE .
Providers make their money from services , they should just extend existing users contracts by two years .
I 'm speaking with my wallet and telling AT&amp;T to go fuck themselves , no new iPhone for me and time to cancel my shitty service , in Los Angeles of all places I ca n't use my phone .
It 's ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's fucked up because of how short sighted they are.
instead of eating $200 and letting me buy a new one and signing a NEW 2-year contract, they are trying to fuck existing users in the ass.
of course that's how subsidies work, people aren't pissed about that you fucking retards.
what they are pissed about is the total lack of customer loyalty AT&amp;T is showing, which is especially infuriating because their services SUCKS DONKEY ASSHOLE.
Providers make their money from services, they should just extend existing users contracts by two years.
I'm speaking with my wallet and telling AT&amp;T to go fuck themselves, no new iPhone for me and time to cancel my shitty service, in Los Angeles of all places I can't use my phone.
It's ridiculous.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28268377</id>
	<title>Re:iPhone Users?</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1244572500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's the point of contracts. Once someone is bound by one, you don't have to worry about loyalty.  And if they're up for renewal and are hooked on their [locked] iphone, again you don't need to entice them- the vast majority are coming back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the point of contracts .
Once someone is bound by one , you do n't have to worry about loyalty .
And if they 're up for renewal and are hooked on their [ locked ] iphone , again you do n't need to entice them- the vast majority are coming back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the point of contracts.
Once someone is bound by one, you don't have to worry about loyalty.
And if they're up for renewal and are hooked on their [locked] iphone, again you don't need to entice them- the vast majority are coming back.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259439</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259439</id>
	<title>Re:iPhone Users?</title>
	<author>MyDixieWrecked</author>
	<datestamp>1244469240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I totally understand why they do it... however what upsets me is that they treat new customers (who potentially could be really crappy customers) better than customers that have been with them for years. There's no points for loyalty with AT&amp;T anymore; that seems to have gone out the window around the same time they originally merged with Cingular. I've got stories, but this isn't the place for that.</p><p>Luckily I haven't purchased new hardware from AT&amp;T in about 2 years. My first gen iPhone was given to me through work (from the boss when he upgraded to his 3G), so I qualified for reduced pricing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally understand why they do it... however what upsets me is that they treat new customers ( who potentially could be really crappy customers ) better than customers that have been with them for years .
There 's no points for loyalty with AT&amp;T anymore ; that seems to have gone out the window around the same time they originally merged with Cingular .
I 've got stories , but this is n't the place for that.Luckily I have n't purchased new hardware from AT&amp;T in about 2 years .
My first gen iPhone was given to me through work ( from the boss when he upgraded to his 3G ) , so I qualified for reduced pricing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally understand why they do it... however what upsets me is that they treat new customers (who potentially could be really crappy customers) better than customers that have been with them for years.
There's no points for loyalty with AT&amp;T anymore; that seems to have gone out the window around the same time they originally merged with Cingular.
I've got stories, but this isn't the place for that.Luckily I haven't purchased new hardware from AT&amp;T in about 2 years.
My first gen iPhone was given to me through work (from the boss when he upgraded to his 3G), so I qualified for reduced pricing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259213</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260327</id>
	<title>So what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244474340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was going to suggest that maybe AT&amp;T should offer the new model with a contract extension, but if the contracts are two years of service for a device line that upgrades every year, that could get ugly.</p><p>So, then, just wait until next year when the even cooler model comes out, and today's 3GS users are stuck in the middle of their contracts.  Who'll be fat'n'happy then?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to suggest that maybe AT&amp;T should offer the new model with a contract extension , but if the contracts are two years of service for a device line that upgrades every year , that could get ugly.So , then , just wait until next year when the even cooler model comes out , and today 's 3GS users are stuck in the middle of their contracts .
Who 'll be fat'n'happy then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to suggest that maybe AT&amp;T should offer the new model with a contract extension, but if the contracts are two years of service for a device line that upgrades every year, that could get ugly.So, then, just wait until next year when the even cooler model comes out, and today's 3GS users are stuck in the middle of their contracts.
Who'll be fat'n'happy then?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261165</id>
	<title>Easy Solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244479200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The easy solution is to allow existing users to tack-on another 2 year plan. AT&amp;T recovers their profits and people now have to choice to break their existing agreements (probably useful for people who are almost finished with their plans) or add on two years (useful for those who are at the beginning).</p><p>Either way, ATT, Apple, and the consumers win when people get to make choices about their own contractual status.</p><p>I don't know if this has already been posted elsewhere; there are already almost 300 comments. If so, I apologize.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The easy solution is to allow existing users to tack-on another 2 year plan .
AT&amp;T recovers their profits and people now have to choice to break their existing agreements ( probably useful for people who are almost finished with their plans ) or add on two years ( useful for those who are at the beginning ) .Either way , ATT , Apple , and the consumers win when people get to make choices about their own contractual status.I do n't know if this has already been posted elsewhere ; there are already almost 300 comments .
If so , I apologize .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The easy solution is to allow existing users to tack-on another 2 year plan.
AT&amp;T recovers their profits and people now have to choice to break their existing agreements (probably useful for people who are almost finished with their plans) or add on two years (useful for those who are at the beginning).Either way, ATT, Apple, and the consumers win when people get to make choices about their own contractual status.I don't know if this has already been posted elsewhere; there are already almost 300 comments.
If so, I apologize.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260259</id>
	<title>Re:Cheaper Just to Pay Early Termination Fee</title>
	<author>HermMunster</author>
	<datestamp>1244474160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is that you already had to pay the service.  And ETFs in some states are not legal.  The point is that they won't sell it to you unless you are near the end of your 24 month contract or a new customer where you can sign another 24 month contract.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that you already had to pay the service .
And ETFs in some states are not legal .
The point is that they wo n't sell it to you unless you are near the end of your 24 month contract or a new customer where you can sign another 24 month contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that you already had to pay the service.
And ETFs in some states are not legal.
The point is that they won't sell it to you unless you are near the end of your 24 month contract or a new customer where you can sign another 24 month contract.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261377</id>
	<title>Time to upgrade</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1244480880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I passed on the original iPhone because of the inevitable bugs and lack of 3G. I passed on the 3G iPhone because it stupidly STILL lacked copy&amp;paste and also has horrible battery life. They've finally got it to the point I want. However, as one who qualifies for an upgrade from AT&amp;T, can I go to the Apple store and get the upgrade, or do I HAVE to go directly to AT&amp;T? I want the extended warranty (for phones and laptops and maybe high-end DSLR cameras the warranties are worth it - for everything else they're money thrown away) and do not want to deal with AT&amp;T's idea of a "refurbished" phone in the event that I do need a replacement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I passed on the original iPhone because of the inevitable bugs and lack of 3G .
I passed on the 3G iPhone because it stupidly STILL lacked copy&amp;paste and also has horrible battery life .
They 've finally got it to the point I want .
However , as one who qualifies for an upgrade from AT&amp;T , can I go to the Apple store and get the upgrade , or do I HAVE to go directly to AT&amp;T ?
I want the extended warranty ( for phones and laptops and maybe high-end DSLR cameras the warranties are worth it - for everything else they 're money thrown away ) and do not want to deal with AT&amp;T 's idea of a " refurbished " phone in the event that I do need a replacement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I passed on the original iPhone because of the inevitable bugs and lack of 3G.
I passed on the 3G iPhone because it stupidly STILL lacked copy&amp;paste and also has horrible battery life.
They've finally got it to the point I want.
However, as one who qualifies for an upgrade from AT&amp;T, can I go to the Apple store and get the upgrade, or do I HAVE to go directly to AT&amp;T?
I want the extended warranty (for phones and laptops and maybe high-end DSLR cameras the warranties are worth it - for everything else they're money thrown away) and do not want to deal with AT&amp;T's idea of a "refurbished" phone in the event that I do need a replacement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28266101</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>DinDaddy</author>
	<datestamp>1244564040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK.  Can you get it going?  I'm kind of tired right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK. Can you get it going ?
I 'm kind of tired right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK.  Can you get it going?
I'm kind of tired right now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259541</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259539</id>
	<title>Re:This is nothing new.</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1244469720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you had an Original Motorola RAZR and you wanted a new one, you had to pay full price.</p><p>I fail to see the issue here.</p></div><p>I think that's primarily because there isn't one. An issue, I mean. Besides, these people are dealing with a. SBC (yes, yes, I know it's still called "AT&amp;T" but we all know what it really is and b. Apple Computer. Neither of those two companies has ever been particularly trustworthy with regards to their customers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you had an Original Motorola RAZR and you wanted a new one , you had to pay full price.I fail to see the issue here.I think that 's primarily because there is n't one .
An issue , I mean .
Besides , these people are dealing with a. SBC ( yes , yes , I know it 's still called " AT&amp;T " but we all know what it really is and b. Apple Computer .
Neither of those two companies has ever been particularly trustworthy with regards to their customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you had an Original Motorola RAZR and you wanted a new one, you had to pay full price.I fail to see the issue here.I think that's primarily because there isn't one.
An issue, I mean.
Besides, these people are dealing with a. SBC (yes, yes, I know it's still called "AT&amp;T" but we all know what it really is and b. Apple Computer.
Neither of those two companies has ever been particularly trustworthy with regards to their customers.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28320195</id>
	<title>Re:Me too</title>
	<author>Savior\_on\_a\_Stick</author>
	<datestamp>1244911620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do like people do with expensive broken cell phones - insure it, wait a respectable length of time, then toss her down a well.</p><p>You could also resell her and potentially recoup some of your outlay, but that's a bit more risky.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do like people do with expensive broken cell phones - insure it , wait a respectable length of time , then toss her down a well.You could also resell her and potentially recoup some of your outlay , but that 's a bit more risky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do like people do with expensive broken cell phones - insure it, wait a respectable length of time, then toss her down a well.You could also resell her and potentially recoup some of your outlay, but that's a bit more risky.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261189</id>
	<title>RE: CEO Lawlessness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244479380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are yet again presented with evidence that CEOs, CFOs, and COBs, residing in the United States of America, live under the presumption of impunity from their committing crimes at the local, state, and federal level.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are yet again presented with evidence that CEOs , CFOs , and COBs , residing in the United States of America , live under the presumption of impunity from their committing crimes at the local , state , and federal level .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are yet again presented with evidence that CEOs, CFOs, and COBs, residing in the United States of America, live under the presumption of impunity from their committing crimes at the local, state, and federal level.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259331</id>
	<title>Waaa Waaaa Waaaaa get a life whiners.</title>
	<author>JohnnyGTO</author>
	<datestamp>1244468700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get over it this is how all the providers work, its a subsidized phone and they have to be sure the hardware gets paid for. I just got a 16G iphone last month for my wife and mine three months ago, I've been with AT&amp;T since they landed in Phoenix maybe they should upgrade me for free? Hardly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get over it this is how all the providers work , its a subsidized phone and they have to be sure the hardware gets paid for .
I just got a 16G iphone last month for my wife and mine three months ago , I 've been with AT&amp;T since they landed in Phoenix maybe they should upgrade me for free ?
Hardly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get over it this is how all the providers work, its a subsidized phone and they have to be sure the hardware gets paid for.
I just got a 16G iphone last month for my wife and mine three months ago, I've been with AT&amp;T since they landed in Phoenix maybe they should upgrade me for free?
Hardly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262763</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244539380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And i'm sure ATT has other businesses.</p></div><p>Like monkey.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And i 'm sure ATT has other businesses.Like monkey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And i'm sure ATT has other businesses.Like monkey.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260829</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28264715</id>
	<title>a ha ha ha ha ha ha - talk about apple fanbois.</title>
	<author>Dr. LeRoy</author>
	<datestamp>1244558220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the frickus frackus about a phone with some software upgrades and faster processor. Imagine if this broke out every time Apple bumped their laptop line....</p><p>For me, I have an 8 month old G3 and will gladly enjoy the 3.0 OS upgrade FOR FREE. The next iPhone hardware revision is going to make the 3GS look like what it really is....a dot oh update.</p><p>Dr. LeRoy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the frickus frackus about a phone with some software upgrades and faster processor .
Imagine if this broke out every time Apple bumped their laptop line....For me , I have an 8 month old G3 and will gladly enjoy the 3.0 OS upgrade FOR FREE .
The next iPhone hardware revision is going to make the 3GS look like what it really is....a dot oh update.Dr .
LeRoy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the frickus frackus about a phone with some software upgrades and faster processor.
Imagine if this broke out every time Apple bumped their laptop line....For me, I have an 8 month old G3 and will gladly enjoy the 3.0 OS upgrade FOR FREE.
The next iPhone hardware revision is going to make the 3GS look like what it really is....a dot oh update.Dr.
LeRoy</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28278859</id>
	<title>Re:ONLY in the US</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244645520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone is looking at the backwards. The real problem is not demanding that the US cell phone industry works the way the rest of the world does. Nowhere else is the cell phone tied to a carrier. In Europe, you buy your phone, you buy your service. The carrier gives you a chip for your phone to talk to their network. How hard a concept is that? Maybe if everyone dinged their congressmen, we could break through the phone company lobbyists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone is looking at the backwards .
The real problem is not demanding that the US cell phone industry works the way the rest of the world does .
Nowhere else is the cell phone tied to a carrier .
In Europe , you buy your phone , you buy your service .
The carrier gives you a chip for your phone to talk to their network .
How hard a concept is that ?
Maybe if everyone dinged their congressmen , we could break through the phone company lobbyists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone is looking at the backwards.
The real problem is not demanding that the US cell phone industry works the way the rest of the world does.
Nowhere else is the cell phone tied to a carrier.
In Europe, you buy your phone, you buy your service.
The carrier gives you a chip for your phone to talk to their network.
How hard a concept is that?
Maybe if everyone dinged their congressmen, we could break through the phone company lobbyists.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259203</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262071</id>
	<title>Tolerance for corporate hegemony</title>
	<author>IanDanforth</author>
	<datestamp>1244488200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find the tolerance for corporate greed and power in this thread really appaling, especially from the hacker crowd.</p><p>I've read a number of arguments that boil down to this: You should have read the contract. I don't care if you don't like it.</p><p>Well first off wireless carriers in this country do not offer contracts, they offer ultimatums. A proper contract is negotiated between parties who all have a say in the matter. Not only that but breaking a contract has consequences for both parties. This simply isn't what the monopoly in this case offers. You sign the paper they wrote without input or you get nothing. They get guaranteed revenue far in excess of their expenditure on the subsidy for a period of two years with no guarantee of service, reliability, or quality. You fail to pay and they terminate your account, they fail to provide coverage and you're stuck calling tech support.</p><p>To cut this to the bone, this is about power. They can dictate any terms they want unless the consumers act in a group to protest their policies. Remember this is a company that benefited multiple times from direct subsidies from the federal government, relies on access to public infrastructure to provide its service, cooperated in violating constitutionally protected private communications, and continues to make significant profit off of outrageously priced data fees despite the rest of the economy tanking.</p><p>If you're willing to sit back and get screwed by companies like this, then they will continue to screw not only you, but the rest of us. I'm not calling for boycott or anything stupidly overplayed like that, but for goodness sake, recognise when the system is not the peoples favor and have the compassion to voice your support for the rest of us getting screwed even if you personally enjoy the feeling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find the tolerance for corporate greed and power in this thread really appaling , especially from the hacker crowd.I 've read a number of arguments that boil down to this : You should have read the contract .
I do n't care if you do n't like it.Well first off wireless carriers in this country do not offer contracts , they offer ultimatums .
A proper contract is negotiated between parties who all have a say in the matter .
Not only that but breaking a contract has consequences for both parties .
This simply is n't what the monopoly in this case offers .
You sign the paper they wrote without input or you get nothing .
They get guaranteed revenue far in excess of their expenditure on the subsidy for a period of two years with no guarantee of service , reliability , or quality .
You fail to pay and they terminate your account , they fail to provide coverage and you 're stuck calling tech support.To cut this to the bone , this is about power .
They can dictate any terms they want unless the consumers act in a group to protest their policies .
Remember this is a company that benefited multiple times from direct subsidies from the federal government , relies on access to public infrastructure to provide its service , cooperated in violating constitutionally protected private communications , and continues to make significant profit off of outrageously priced data fees despite the rest of the economy tanking.If you 're willing to sit back and get screwed by companies like this , then they will continue to screw not only you , but the rest of us .
I 'm not calling for boycott or anything stupidly overplayed like that , but for goodness sake , recognise when the system is not the peoples favor and have the compassion to voice your support for the rest of us getting screwed even if you personally enjoy the feeling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find the tolerance for corporate greed and power in this thread really appaling, especially from the hacker crowd.I've read a number of arguments that boil down to this: You should have read the contract.
I don't care if you don't like it.Well first off wireless carriers in this country do not offer contracts, they offer ultimatums.
A proper contract is negotiated between parties who all have a say in the matter.
Not only that but breaking a contract has consequences for both parties.
This simply isn't what the monopoly in this case offers.
You sign the paper they wrote without input or you get nothing.
They get guaranteed revenue far in excess of their expenditure on the subsidy for a period of two years with no guarantee of service, reliability, or quality.
You fail to pay and they terminate your account, they fail to provide coverage and you're stuck calling tech support.To cut this to the bone, this is about power.
They can dictate any terms they want unless the consumers act in a group to protest their policies.
Remember this is a company that benefited multiple times from direct subsidies from the federal government, relies on access to public infrastructure to provide its service, cooperated in violating constitutionally protected private communications, and continues to make significant profit off of outrageously priced data fees despite the rest of the economy tanking.If you're willing to sit back and get screwed by companies like this, then they will continue to screw not only you, but the rest of us.
I'm not calling for boycott or anything stupidly overplayed like that, but for goodness sake, recognise when the system is not the peoples favor and have the compassion to voice your support for the rest of us getting screwed even if you personally enjoy the feeling.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259549</id>
	<title>Re:Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244469780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>How does <a href="http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=apple&amp;thread.id=74718&amp;view=by\_date\_ascending&amp;page=1" title="att.com" rel="nofollow">one user</a> [att.com] complaining about upgrade policies on a forum, with almost all the other users thinking the policies aren't so bad, qualify as a "collective sense of entitlement"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How does one user [ att.com ] complaining about upgrade policies on a forum , with almost all the other users thinking the policies are n't so bad , qualify as a " collective sense of entitlement " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does one user [att.com] complaining about upgrade policies on a forum, with almost all the other users thinking the policies aren't so bad, qualify as a "collective sense of entitlement"?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260003</id>
	<title>The phone subsidy is a reason for the contract</title>
	<author>anexkahn</author>
	<datestamp>1244472720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple is the one charging $500 for the Iphone.  ATT then gives you a $200 subsidy to buy it as an incentive to sign a 2 year contract.  If AT&amp;T were to let people upgrade their phone at the subsidized cost anytime they wanted to, they could stand to loose a lot of money.  I agree with AT&amp;T on this one.  Check out what the Early Termination Fee(ETF) is...I would bet it is less than $200.  You could always pay the ETF, then get your iphone at the subsidized cost.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is the one charging $ 500 for the Iphone .
ATT then gives you a $ 200 subsidy to buy it as an incentive to sign a 2 year contract .
If AT&amp;T were to let people upgrade their phone at the subsidized cost anytime they wanted to , they could stand to loose a lot of money .
I agree with AT&amp;T on this one .
Check out what the Early Termination Fee ( ETF ) is...I would bet it is less than $ 200 .
You could always pay the ETF , then get your iphone at the subsidized cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is the one charging $500 for the Iphone.
ATT then gives you a $200 subsidy to buy it as an incentive to sign a 2 year contract.
If AT&amp;T were to let people upgrade their phone at the subsidized cost anytime they wanted to, they could stand to loose a lot of money.
I agree with AT&amp;T on this one.
Check out what the Early Termination Fee(ETF) is...I would bet it is less than $200.
You could always pay the ETF, then get your iphone at the subsidized cost.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259629</id>
	<title>They don't do this for other cell phones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244470320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so why would you expect them to do this for the iphone? I don't expect to get any phone whether it's an upgraded version of the one I already have or not with a discount unless I'm renewing my contract or signing on with another company. No phone company does this for any product, welcome to this version of reality fan boys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so why would you expect them to do this for the iphone ?
I do n't expect to get any phone whether it 's an upgraded version of the one I already have or not with a discount unless I 'm renewing my contract or signing on with another company .
No phone company does this for any product , welcome to this version of reality fan boys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so why would you expect them to do this for the iphone?
I don't expect to get any phone whether it's an upgraded version of the one I already have or not with a discount unless I'm renewing my contract or signing on with another company.
No phone company does this for any product, welcome to this version of reality fan boys.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259341</id>
	<title>A discounted iPhone upgrade at a higher price</title>
	<author>tniermann</author>
	<datestamp>1244468700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a quote from the AT&amp;T site when upgrading from the original IPhone non3G
"As a valued AT&amp;T customer, we can offer you a discounted iPhone upgrade at a higher price, along with a 2-year commitment and an $18 upgrade fee. Please proceed with the online upgrade process for pricing details. You may qualify for a full discount on a standard iPhone upgrade on 07/23/2009
<br>
I then try to select the single line to upgrade and the site tells me only select a single line. They seem to not want to sell to existing customers till 7/23.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a quote from the AT&amp;T site when upgrading from the original IPhone non3G " As a valued AT&amp;T customer , we can offer you a discounted iPhone upgrade at a higher price , along with a 2-year commitment and an $ 18 upgrade fee .
Please proceed with the online upgrade process for pricing details .
You may qualify for a full discount on a standard iPhone upgrade on 07/23/2009 I then try to select the single line to upgrade and the site tells me only select a single line .
They seem to not want to sell to existing customers till 7/23 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a quote from the AT&amp;T site when upgrading from the original IPhone non3G
"As a valued AT&amp;T customer, we can offer you a discounted iPhone upgrade at a higher price, along with a 2-year commitment and an $18 upgrade fee.
Please proceed with the online upgrade process for pricing details.
You may qualify for a full discount on a standard iPhone upgrade on 07/23/2009

I then try to select the single line to upgrade and the site tells me only select a single line.
They seem to not want to sell to existing customers till 7/23.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28266365</id>
	<title>Why not just...</title>
	<author>Twyst3d</author>
	<datestamp>1244565300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>An iPhone could be a mobile pc, do my laundry, my dishes, drive me to work, and pack my lunches and I wouldnt buy it because it ment signing on with AT&amp;T.

To me  Service is everything.  To them.  Service is something that ends once the contract is signed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An iPhone could be a mobile pc , do my laundry , my dishes , drive me to work , and pack my lunches and I wouldnt buy it because it ment signing on with AT&amp;T .
To me Service is everything .
To them .
Service is something that ends once the contract is signed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An iPhone could be a mobile pc, do my laundry, my dishes, drive me to work, and pack my lunches and I wouldnt buy it because it ment signing on with AT&amp;T.
To me  Service is everything.
To them.
Service is something that ends once the contract is signed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260439</id>
	<title>The HORROR!!!</title>
	<author>WillyWanker</author>
	<datestamp>1244474880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Clearly it's a sign of the Apocalypse when an Apple fanboi isn't willing to spend ridiculous amounts of money on substandard hardware with an asinine number of restrictions. Worse, he's not even thanking Apple and AT&amp;T for the privilege!<br><br>My God, what's next?!?! Best Buy not charging 3x more than everyone else?!?!?! Microsoft selling Windows 7 for less than what you're entire computer system costs?!?!?!?! The RIAA being spanked by the US Supreme Court and forced to refund all the extortion money they've collected from innocent civilians?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Oh the HORROR!!! THE HORROR!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly it 's a sign of the Apocalypse when an Apple fanboi is n't willing to spend ridiculous amounts of money on substandard hardware with an asinine number of restrictions .
Worse , he 's not even thanking Apple and AT&amp;T for the privilege ! My God , what 's next ? ! ? !
Best Buy not charging 3x more than everyone else ? ! ? ! ? !
Microsoft selling Windows 7 for less than what you 're entire computer system costs ? ! ? ! ? ! ? !
The RIAA being spanked by the US Supreme Court and forced to refund all the extortion money they 've collected from innocent civilians ? ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ?
Oh the HORROR ! ! !
THE HORROR ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly it's a sign of the Apocalypse when an Apple fanboi isn't willing to spend ridiculous amounts of money on substandard hardware with an asinine number of restrictions.
Worse, he's not even thanking Apple and AT&amp;T for the privilege!My God, what's next?!?!
Best Buy not charging 3x more than everyone else?!?!?!
Microsoft selling Windows 7 for less than what you're entire computer system costs?!?!?!?!
The RIAA being spanked by the US Supreme Court and forced to refund all the extortion money they've collected from innocent civilians?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Oh the HORROR!!!
THE HORROR!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260027</id>
	<title>Re:Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>niteshifter</author>
	<datestamp>1244472840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When did we as a society get our collective sense of entitlement?</p></div><p>That would be 1967, aka the Summer of Love.</p><p>Folks tell me I was there<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but I have no recollection of that event.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When did we as a society get our collective sense of entitlement ? That would be 1967 , aka the Summer of Love.Folks tell me I was there ... but I have no recollection of that event .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When did we as a society get our collective sense of entitlement?That would be 1967, aka the Summer of Love.Folks tell me I was there ... but I have no recollection of that event.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259789</id>
	<title>Re:Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>Mrbung</author>
	<datestamp>1244471280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right on, these people just want some shit for cheap, cause they are whiny babies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right on , these people just want some shit for cheap , cause they are whiny babies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right on, these people just want some shit for cheap, cause they are whiny babies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261215</id>
	<title>contract extensions</title>
	<author>Gary W. Longsine</author>
	<datestamp>1244479500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In addition, if you have had a phone for +/- 12 months, you can get a discount on a new one if you agree to a contract extension of a year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In addition , if you have had a phone for + /- 12 months , you can get a discount on a new one if you agree to a contract extension of a year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In addition, if you have had a phone for +/- 12 months, you can get a discount on a new one if you agree to a contract extension of a year.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259261</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263825</id>
	<title>Re:Am I missing something?</title>
	<author>xenolion</author>
	<datestamp>1244552460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its really nothing new just the Apple fans bitching cause they cant buy the newest items and then brag to their friends or so called friends that they have the Newest Piece of junk from Apple. They signed an agreement for two years make them stay to it just like any other carrier does. Hell I've been with my carrier for 14 years now and I've never had a problem with waiting for my contract to run up by then they have the bugs worked out of the phone I want, its better to wait then to deal with the headache.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its really nothing new just the Apple fans bitching cause they cant buy the newest items and then brag to their friends or so called friends that they have the Newest Piece of junk from Apple .
They signed an agreement for two years make them stay to it just like any other carrier does .
Hell I 've been with my carrier for 14 years now and I 've never had a problem with waiting for my contract to run up by then they have the bugs worked out of the phone I want , its better to wait then to deal with the headache .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its really nothing new just the Apple fans bitching cause they cant buy the newest items and then brag to their friends or so called friends that they have the Newest Piece of junk from Apple.
They signed an agreement for two years make them stay to it just like any other carrier does.
Hell I've been with my carrier for 14 years now and I've never had a problem with waiting for my contract to run up by then they have the bugs worked out of the phone I want, its better to wait then to deal with the headache.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259255</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260013</id>
	<title>Re:This is nothing new.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244472780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the issue isn't going out to buy a new one. Sure, you could do that with a RAZR, but did you have to pay twice as much? You walk into ATT and ask for a new phone, and they find out you have an iphone already you have to pay twice the fee unless you get a new contract as well as your old one. Now, if they just charged you the original amount, or slightly higher that'd be different. The way the upgrades work is based on how long you were a customer for. If I'm in a 3 year contract (as I am with rogers, up here in Canada) then at any time it's full price to switch to a new one, after 1 year it's slightly less. After two it's even less than that and at three years I get the same deal (or better) as a new signup.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the issue is n't going out to buy a new one .
Sure , you could do that with a RAZR , but did you have to pay twice as much ?
You walk into ATT and ask for a new phone , and they find out you have an iphone already you have to pay twice the fee unless you get a new contract as well as your old one .
Now , if they just charged you the original amount , or slightly higher that 'd be different .
The way the upgrades work is based on how long you were a customer for .
If I 'm in a 3 year contract ( as I am with rogers , up here in Canada ) then at any time it 's full price to switch to a new one , after 1 year it 's slightly less .
After two it 's even less than that and at three years I get the same deal ( or better ) as a new signup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the issue isn't going out to buy a new one.
Sure, you could do that with a RAZR, but did you have to pay twice as much?
You walk into ATT and ask for a new phone, and they find out you have an iphone already you have to pay twice the fee unless you get a new contract as well as your old one.
Now, if they just charged you the original amount, or slightly higher that'd be different.
The way the upgrades work is based on how long you were a customer for.
If I'm in a 3 year contract (as I am with rogers, up here in Canada) then at any time it's full price to switch to a new one, after 1 year it's slightly less.
After two it's even less than that and at three years I get the same deal (or better) as a new signup.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261519</id>
	<title>In other news.</title>
	<author>Roskolnikov</author>
	<datestamp>1244482080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Crack cocaine users are upset that their local dealers aren't cutting them the same break they got for their first rock.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Crack cocaine users are upset that their local dealers are n't cutting them the same break they got for their first rock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Crack cocaine users are upset that their local dealers aren't cutting them the same break they got for their first rock.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259715</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>gumbi west</author>
	<datestamp>1244470860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>AT&amp;T has a profit margin of 10\%. If you think that is insanely high... I'd rather not be in business with you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T has a profit margin of 10 \ % .
If you think that is insanely high... I 'd rather not be in business with you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T has a profit margin of 10\%.
If you think that is insanely high... I'd rather not be in business with you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260185</id>
	<title>I don't have a contract</title>
	<author>HermMunster</author>
	<datestamp>1244473800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't have a contract yet I still would be required to pay the full price.  I use the go phone plan.  I've kept my phone active for nearly every month the phone has been available.  This is nearly 24 months.  At $100.00 a month that's $2400 for the service and $400 for the phone.  That's almost $3,000.</p><p>At that price NO ONE should be supporting AT&amp;T nor Apple.</p><p>It is crazy to think that AT&amp;T (and Apple) would limit the people that can purchase the phones.  The only reason is to get you to pay for another 24 month contract.</p><p>Where's the support from the lawmakers when it comes to companies such as AT&amp;T ripping off customers so badly?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't have a contract yet I still would be required to pay the full price .
I use the go phone plan .
I 've kept my phone active for nearly every month the phone has been available .
This is nearly 24 months .
At $ 100.00 a month that 's $ 2400 for the service and $ 400 for the phone .
That 's almost $ 3,000.At that price NO ONE should be supporting AT&amp;T nor Apple.It is crazy to think that AT&amp;T ( and Apple ) would limit the people that can purchase the phones .
The only reason is to get you to pay for another 24 month contract.Where 's the support from the lawmakers when it comes to companies such as AT&amp;T ripping off customers so badly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't have a contract yet I still would be required to pay the full price.
I use the go phone plan.
I've kept my phone active for nearly every month the phone has been available.
This is nearly 24 months.
At $100.00 a month that's $2400 for the service and $400 for the phone.
That's almost $3,000.At that price NO ONE should be supporting AT&amp;T nor Apple.It is crazy to think that AT&amp;T (and Apple) would limit the people that can purchase the phones.
The only reason is to get you to pay for another 24 month contract.Where's the support from the lawmakers when it comes to companies such as AT&amp;T ripping off customers so badly?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262335</id>
	<title>Doesn't Apple control its products prices?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244491140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A friend of mine wanted to get one of the iPhones like a year ago from Rogers (the only cellphone carrier of iPhones in Canada). According to them at the time the set prices for the iPhones were dictated by Apple regardless of plan or standing and not by them, as are all other Mac products. Thats why a store has to be a 'certified Apple reseller' to stock Apple products, to make sure that the prices stay more or less the same and not various different prices (which if priced too low could hurt their value perception). Not to mention that it is an Apple product, but it was also:<br>a) Mentioned by Apple that this is how the prices will be, regardless and not AT&amp;T<br>b) It was mentioned at the Apple WWDC by Apple themselves.<br>By the way all of this looks, it seems more like AT&amp;T is being scapegoated into looking like the 'evil price hiker' and not Apple which seems more like the real ones behind the pricing of the new iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A friend of mine wanted to get one of the iPhones like a year ago from Rogers ( the only cellphone carrier of iPhones in Canada ) .
According to them at the time the set prices for the iPhones were dictated by Apple regardless of plan or standing and not by them , as are all other Mac products .
Thats why a store has to be a 'certified Apple reseller ' to stock Apple products , to make sure that the prices stay more or less the same and not various different prices ( which if priced too low could hurt their value perception ) .
Not to mention that it is an Apple product , but it was also : a ) Mentioned by Apple that this is how the prices will be , regardless and not AT&amp;Tb ) It was mentioned at the Apple WWDC by Apple themselves.By the way all of this looks , it seems more like AT&amp;T is being scapegoated into looking like the 'evil price hiker ' and not Apple which seems more like the real ones behind the pricing of the new iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A friend of mine wanted to get one of the iPhones like a year ago from Rogers (the only cellphone carrier of iPhones in Canada).
According to them at the time the set prices for the iPhones were dictated by Apple regardless of plan or standing and not by them, as are all other Mac products.
Thats why a store has to be a 'certified Apple reseller' to stock Apple products, to make sure that the prices stay more or less the same and not various different prices (which if priced too low could hurt their value perception).
Not to mention that it is an Apple product, but it was also:a) Mentioned by Apple that this is how the prices will be, regardless and not AT&amp;Tb) It was mentioned at the Apple WWDC by Apple themselves.By the way all of this looks, it seems more like AT&amp;T is being scapegoated into looking like the 'evil price hiker' and not Apple which seems more like the real ones behind the pricing of the new iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260207</id>
	<title>Re:Unsubsidized?</title>
	<author>irving47</author>
	<datestamp>1244473920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In all seriousness, if you see this post, and want it fixed for a reasonable (non-$400) price, respond to my slashdot handle @ the domain in my url. I'll get you in contact with my friend's business that does screen/touchpad/battery replacements at a very good price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In all seriousness , if you see this post , and want it fixed for a reasonable ( non- $ 400 ) price , respond to my slashdot handle @ the domain in my url .
I 'll get you in contact with my friend 's business that does screen/touchpad/battery replacements at a very good price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In all seriousness, if you see this post, and want it fixed for a reasonable (non-$400) price, respond to my slashdot handle @ the domain in my url.
I'll get you in contact with my friend's business that does screen/touchpad/battery replacements at a very good price.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259443</id>
	<title>Do not complain...do something about it</title>
	<author>bogaboga</author>
	<datestamp>1244469240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why don't you and your colleagues in the same situation band up and start up a non-profit phone company? This company will not have a shortage of subscribers as the number of people being ripped off by these phone companies is not in short supply.</p><p>It reminds me of the town of Wilson that Time Warner refused internet service and they (the town), <a href="http://www.greenlightnc.com/" title="greenlightnc.com"> did something </a> [greenlightnc.com] about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't you and your colleagues in the same situation band up and start up a non-profit phone company ?
This company will not have a shortage of subscribers as the number of people being ripped off by these phone companies is not in short supply.It reminds me of the town of Wilson that Time Warner refused internet service and they ( the town ) , did something [ greenlightnc.com ] about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't you and your colleagues in the same situation band up and start up a non-profit phone company?
This company will not have a shortage of subscribers as the number of people being ripped off by these phone companies is not in short supply.It reminds me of the town of Wilson that Time Warner refused internet service and they (the town),  did something  [greenlightnc.com] about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259261</id>
	<title>It's going to be said a thousand times</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You sign a contract for 24 months to receive a reduced price on your handset.  You're not eligible for a discount until a good portion of that commitment has passed (usually 18 months).  Owners of the first Gen iPhone got a discount because they bought their phone at full price.  2nd gen iPhone owners who paid full non-contract price are eligible for a discount.  People who got a handset (ANY handset) at a discount and are within their contract time won't see one until their time expires.

I just bought a new Macbook Pro 11 months ago; should I go to the Apple store and whine because they've improved the design, and I can't buy one for half price?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You sign a contract for 24 months to receive a reduced price on your handset .
You 're not eligible for a discount until a good portion of that commitment has passed ( usually 18 months ) .
Owners of the first Gen iPhone got a discount because they bought their phone at full price .
2nd gen iPhone owners who paid full non-contract price are eligible for a discount .
People who got a handset ( ANY handset ) at a discount and are within their contract time wo n't see one until their time expires .
I just bought a new Macbook Pro 11 months ago ; should I go to the Apple store and whine because they 've improved the design , and I ca n't buy one for half price ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You sign a contract for 24 months to receive a reduced price on your handset.
You're not eligible for a discount until a good portion of that commitment has passed (usually 18 months).
Owners of the first Gen iPhone got a discount because they bought their phone at full price.
2nd gen iPhone owners who paid full non-contract price are eligible for a discount.
People who got a handset (ANY handset) at a discount and are within their contract time won't see one until their time expires.
I just bought a new Macbook Pro 11 months ago; should I go to the Apple store and whine because they've improved the design, and I can't buy one for half price?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260605</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244475660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Prove it</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Prove it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prove it</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259389</id>
	<title>Cry me a river</title>
	<author>L4m3rthanyou</author>
	<datestamp>1244469000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop the presses, customers are being price-gouged by AT&amp;T and Apple! Oh, the horror!</p><p>Who is going to expect sympathy over the fact that they have to pay $200 more to <i>upgrade</i> their iPhone?</p><p>Why is this even on the front page? Does Slashdot really worship the iPhone this much?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop the presses , customers are being price-gouged by AT&amp;T and Apple !
Oh , the horror ! Who is going to expect sympathy over the fact that they have to pay $ 200 more to upgrade their iPhone ? Why is this even on the front page ?
Does Slashdot really worship the iPhone this much ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop the presses, customers are being price-gouged by AT&amp;T and Apple!
Oh, the horror!Who is going to expect sympathy over the fact that they have to pay $200 more to upgrade their iPhone?Why is this even on the front page?
Does Slashdot really worship the iPhone this much?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260171</id>
	<title>Re:Unsubsidized?</title>
	<author>slashtivus</author>
	<datestamp>1244473740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The 3G was released July 11, 2008 (so less than 1 year is as old as it could possibly be)  linky:<a href="http://gizmodo.com/391960/iphone-3g-launch-date-confirmed/" title="gizmodo.com">http://gizmodo.com/391960/iphone-3g-launch-date-confirmed/</a> [gizmodo.com] <br> <br>Your warranty is for 1 year.  link:<a href="http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/service/faq/#warranty1/" title="apple.com">http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/service/faq/#warranty1/</a> [apple.com] <br> <br>Maybe you should just get it repaired under warranty?<br> <br>That took 30 seconds of google and I don't even own an iPhone.  (I might be feeding a troll here)</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 3G was released July 11 , 2008 ( so less than 1 year is as old as it could possibly be ) linky : http : //gizmodo.com/391960/iphone-3g-launch-date-confirmed/ [ gizmodo.com ] Your warranty is for 1 year .
link : http : //www.apple.com/support/iphone/service/faq/ # warranty1/ [ apple.com ] Maybe you should just get it repaired under warranty ?
That took 30 seconds of google and I do n't even own an iPhone .
( I might be feeding a troll here )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 3G was released July 11, 2008 (so less than 1 year is as old as it could possibly be)  linky:http://gizmodo.com/391960/iphone-3g-launch-date-confirmed/ [gizmodo.com]  Your warranty is for 1 year.
link:http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/service/faq/#warranty1/ [apple.com]  Maybe you should just get it repaired under warranty?
That took 30 seconds of google and I don't even own an iPhone.
(I might be feeding a troll here)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260761</id>
	<title>Re:It's going to be said a thousand times</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244476440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I don't understand is why not just offer a re-subsidized phone w/ another 2yr contract, and an even larger early termination fee?</p><p>Keeps your customers further indebted to you, and keeps your ignorant customers happy (yay debt!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I do n't understand is why not just offer a re-subsidized phone w/ another 2yr contract , and an even larger early termination fee ? Keeps your customers further indebted to you , and keeps your ignorant customers happy ( yay debt !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I don't understand is why not just offer a re-subsidized phone w/ another 2yr contract, and an even larger early termination fee?Keeps your customers further indebted to you, and keeps your ignorant customers happy (yay debt!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259305</id>
	<title>Not even P.T. Barnum predicted this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only did people waste money once on an overpriced cell phone, but now those same people are complaining that they can't now throw away their phone for the priveledge of wasting another couple hundred on a slighly newer version of the same phone.</p><p>Steve Jobs is a genius.<br>So was L. Ron Hubbard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only did people waste money once on an overpriced cell phone , but now those same people are complaining that they ca n't now throw away their phone for the priveledge of wasting another couple hundred on a slighly newer version of the same phone.Steve Jobs is a genius.So was L. Ron Hubbard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only did people waste money once on an overpriced cell phone, but now those same people are complaining that they can't now throw away their phone for the priveledge of wasting another couple hundred on a slighly newer version of the same phone.Steve Jobs is a genius.So was L. Ron Hubbard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259739</id>
	<title>For 500$</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244470980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd rather have 2 very nice escorts, I'd least I'd get screwed right!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd rather have 2 very nice escorts , I 'd least I 'd get screwed right !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd rather have 2 very nice escorts, I'd least I'd get screwed right!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262289</id>
	<title>Re:Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>19061969</author>
	<datestamp>1244490600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because it's by a "collective sense of outrage"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it 's by a " collective sense of outrage " ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it's by a "collective sense of outrage" ;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259955</id>
	<title>Me too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244472420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a similar problem. I got married a few years ago, but now thr old lady is looking a little worse for wear, and there are much younger and hotter models avaailable now! But my lawyer tells me I have an implicit "contract", and that upgrading will cost me big bucks! WTF! This is so unfair! They should have warned mme in advance how expensive it would be to trade up! Or maybe they did, but I wwas so excited with my shiny new toy to notice... either way, I'm mad as hell and I' going to bitch and moan until I get my way!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a similar problem .
I got married a few years ago , but now thr old lady is looking a little worse for wear , and there are much younger and hotter models avaailable now !
But my lawyer tells me I have an implicit " contract " , and that upgrading will cost me big bucks !
WTF ! This is so unfair !
They should have warned mme in advance how expensive it would be to trade up !
Or maybe they did , but I wwas so excited with my shiny new toy to notice... either way , I 'm mad as hell and I ' going to bitch and moan until I get my way !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a similar problem.
I got married a few years ago, but now thr old lady is looking a little worse for wear, and there are much younger and hotter models avaailable now!
But my lawyer tells me I have an implicit "contract", and that upgrading will cost me big bucks!
WTF! This is so unfair!
They should have warned mme in advance how expensive it would be to trade up!
Or maybe they did, but I wwas so excited with my shiny new toy to notice... either way, I'm mad as hell and I' going to bitch and moan until I get my way!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259725</id>
	<title>This is Standard</title>
	<author>OneFix</author>
	<datestamp>1244470920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not exactly a fan of AT&amp;T/Cingular.  I actually have service with Alltel (soon to be Verizon), but this is the same standard "deal" that everyone gives for buying a phone with a contract.</p><p>Looking at the new iPhone, the $200 price is actually cheaper than the 2 year contract price for the HTC Touch from Alltel/Verizon, which seems fair.</p><p>If you knew you would want a new phone in a year, then you should have paid the "1 year contract" price (or at least they used to offer that option).</p><p>At any rate, the price you paid for the phone was subsidized by your signing of the 2 year contract and you shouldn't expect another subsidized phone until your current contract runs out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not exactly a fan of AT&amp;T/Cingular .
I actually have service with Alltel ( soon to be Verizon ) , but this is the same standard " deal " that everyone gives for buying a phone with a contract.Looking at the new iPhone , the $ 200 price is actually cheaper than the 2 year contract price for the HTC Touch from Alltel/Verizon , which seems fair.If you knew you would want a new phone in a year , then you should have paid the " 1 year contract " price ( or at least they used to offer that option ) .At any rate , the price you paid for the phone was subsidized by your signing of the 2 year contract and you should n't expect another subsidized phone until your current contract runs out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not exactly a fan of AT&amp;T/Cingular.
I actually have service with Alltel (soon to be Verizon), but this is the same standard "deal" that everyone gives for buying a phone with a contract.Looking at the new iPhone, the $200 price is actually cheaper than the 2 year contract price for the HTC Touch from Alltel/Verizon, which seems fair.If you knew you would want a new phone in a year, then you should have paid the "1 year contract" price (or at least they used to offer that option).At any rate, the price you paid for the phone was subsidized by your signing of the 2 year contract and you shouldn't expect another subsidized phone until your current contract runs out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259219</id>
	<title>Don't forget is it a cell phone provider</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244467980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is it different from any other phone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is it different from any other phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is it different from any other phone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263561</id>
	<title>Re:iPhone Users?</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1244549400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; what upsets me is that they treat new customers (who potentially could be really crappy customers) better than customers that have been with them for years.</p><p>New customers looks good on a chart. People stay with a company..people leave...meh, whatever.  Perhaps they died..perhaps they saw a better deal elsewhere. People understand that.</p><p>But new customers - that's something you can stick on a graph.</p><p>Also, once you're a customer, you've had your perk.  Want to leave and go elsewhere?  Fine - do the legwork, go through the effort of porting your number over, losing phone connectivity for a few hours/day, deal with the unknown (coverage and customer service) of a new company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; what upsets me is that they treat new customers ( who potentially could be really crappy customers ) better than customers that have been with them for years.New customers looks good on a chart .
People stay with a company..people leave...meh , whatever .
Perhaps they died..perhaps they saw a better deal elsewhere .
People understand that.But new customers - that 's something you can stick on a graph.Also , once you 're a customer , you 've had your perk .
Want to leave and go elsewhere ?
Fine - do the legwork , go through the effort of porting your number over , losing phone connectivity for a few hours/day , deal with the unknown ( coverage and customer service ) of a new company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; what upsets me is that they treat new customers (who potentially could be really crappy customers) better than customers that have been with them for years.New customers looks good on a chart.
People stay with a company..people leave...meh, whatever.
Perhaps they died..perhaps they saw a better deal elsewhere.
People understand that.But new customers - that's something you can stick on a graph.Also, once you're a customer, you've had your perk.
Want to leave and go elsewhere?
Fine - do the legwork, go through the effort of porting your number over, losing phone connectivity for a few hours/day, deal with the unknown (coverage and customer service) of a new company.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28267453</id>
	<title>Re:Half subsidy</title>
	<author>Deanalator</author>
	<datestamp>1244568900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the thing though, it costs 150 to get out of an att contract (last I checked).  So canceling your att contract right before you buy your new phone will save you 50 dollars, but it's more hassle.  I don't understand how things like cellphone contracts and the exclusivity contracts between apple and att are even legal.  They seem like the very definition of "anti-competitive" to me.</p><p>Furthermore, doubling the price because someone is already a customer?  What they should have said is that the new iPhones are 400 dollars, and there is a special 200 dollar price for first time buyers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the thing though , it costs 150 to get out of an att contract ( last I checked ) .
So canceling your att contract right before you buy your new phone will save you 50 dollars , but it 's more hassle .
I do n't understand how things like cellphone contracts and the exclusivity contracts between apple and att are even legal .
They seem like the very definition of " anti-competitive " to me.Furthermore , doubling the price because someone is already a customer ?
What they should have said is that the new iPhones are 400 dollars , and there is a special 200 dollar price for first time buyers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the thing though, it costs 150 to get out of an att contract (last I checked).
So canceling your att contract right before you buy your new phone will save you 50 dollars, but it's more hassle.
I don't understand how things like cellphone contracts and the exclusivity contracts between apple and att are even legal.
They seem like the very definition of "anti-competitive" to me.Furthermore, doubling the price because someone is already a customer?
What they should have said is that the new iPhones are 400 dollars, and there is a special 200 dollar price for first time buyers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259963</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261587</id>
	<title>Re:Half subsidy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244482860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everything you say is true, but you forget one very important detail -- the phone you're getting is NOT unlocked! There's no way an AT&amp;T-only phone is worth $699.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everything you say is true , but you forget one very important detail -- the phone you 're getting is NOT unlocked !
There 's no way an AT&amp;T-only phone is worth $ 699 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything you say is true, but you forget one very important detail -- the phone you're getting is NOT unlocked!
There's no way an AT&amp;T-only phone is worth $699.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259963</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260217</id>
	<title>The problem is advertising.</title>
	<author>RyuuzakiTetsuya</author>
	<datestamp>1244473980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple advertised the price of the 3GS as 199/299 at the keynote, and didn't mention the unsubsidized price.</p><p>I really don't think we should haul them into court for false advertising, but, we should at least reserve the right to feel burned by the big price point that was driven home at the WWDC keynote.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple advertised the price of the 3GS as 199/299 at the keynote , and did n't mention the unsubsidized price.I really do n't think we should haul them into court for false advertising , but , we should at least reserve the right to feel burned by the big price point that was driven home at the WWDC keynote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple advertised the price of the 3GS as 199/299 at the keynote, and didn't mention the unsubsidized price.I really don't think we should haul them into court for false advertising, but, we should at least reserve the right to feel burned by the big price point that was driven home at the WWDC keynote.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260615</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1244475720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The patheticness of the post is the need for an iPhone to compensate for whatever inadequacies he or she is dealing with.  I can tell you the original iPhone is plenty good.  If one has the iPhone 3G it is plenty better.  If somehow these two phones are inadequate, then maybe the solution it to pay the $175 to get out the contract and go to a Pre or a G1.  No one is forcing anyone to buy a particular phone, or upgrade.  That is a personal decision.  It is like the kids how think they will die if the don't have the latest pair of Nikes.
<p>
In closing let me make a hint.  In six month Apple is going to release a new phone that will make the 3GS look like the piece of shit it is.  Save yourself some grief.  Suffer with the lame phone you have now until the contract runs out, then buy something not Apple.  If you can't afford to upgrade your Apple toys every six months, then get out of the game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The patheticness of the post is the need for an iPhone to compensate for whatever inadequacies he or she is dealing with .
I can tell you the original iPhone is plenty good .
If one has the iPhone 3G it is plenty better .
If somehow these two phones are inadequate , then maybe the solution it to pay the $ 175 to get out the contract and go to a Pre or a G1 .
No one is forcing anyone to buy a particular phone , or upgrade .
That is a personal decision .
It is like the kids how think they will die if the do n't have the latest pair of Nikes .
In closing let me make a hint .
In six month Apple is going to release a new phone that will make the 3GS look like the piece of shit it is .
Save yourself some grief .
Suffer with the lame phone you have now until the contract runs out , then buy something not Apple .
If you ca n't afford to upgrade your Apple toys every six months , then get out of the game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The patheticness of the post is the need for an iPhone to compensate for whatever inadequacies he or she is dealing with.
I can tell you the original iPhone is plenty good.
If one has the iPhone 3G it is plenty better.
If somehow these two phones are inadequate, then maybe the solution it to pay the $175 to get out the contract and go to a Pre or a G1.
No one is forcing anyone to buy a particular phone, or upgrade.
That is a personal decision.
It is like the kids how think they will die if the don't have the latest pair of Nikes.
In closing let me make a hint.
In six month Apple is going to release a new phone that will make the 3GS look like the piece of shit it is.
Save yourself some grief.
Suffer with the lame phone you have now until the contract runs out, then buy something not Apple.
If you can't afford to upgrade your Apple toys every six months, then get out of the game.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259229</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259749</id>
	<title>People signed an agreement</title>
	<author>bleh-of-the-huns</author>
	<datestamp>1244471040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So stop complaining....  Seriously, whether or not we like the current policies, they are in place, and when you purchased your iphone originally, you agreed to it.</p><p>Here is my issue, if they are going to charge existing customers full priced, then the phone should be unlocked, plain and simple.  But ATT and its shitty policies won't even let you unlock your phone after your contract has expired....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So stop complaining.... Seriously , whether or not we like the current policies , they are in place , and when you purchased your iphone originally , you agreed to it.Here is my issue , if they are going to charge existing customers full priced , then the phone should be unlocked , plain and simple .
But ATT and its shitty policies wo n't even let you unlock your phone after your contract has expired... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So stop complaining....  Seriously, whether or not we like the current policies, they are in place, and when you purchased your iphone originally, you agreed to it.Here is my issue, if they are going to charge existing customers full priced, then the phone should be unlocked, plain and simple.
But ATT and its shitty policies won't even let you unlock your phone after your contract has expired....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260977</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244477760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"vigorous" made me laugh.  For once I'd like to see someone launch a lackadaisical campaign.  In fact, this is a call to arms - let's launch a lethargic campaign to create a new era of de-energized campaigns!</p></div><p>Can we do this later?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" vigorous " made me laugh .
For once I 'd like to see someone launch a lackadaisical campaign .
In fact , this is a call to arms - let 's launch a lethargic campaign to create a new era of de-energized campaigns ! Can we do this later ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"vigorous" made me laugh.
For once I'd like to see someone launch a lackadaisical campaign.
In fact, this is a call to arms - let's launch a lethargic campaign to create a new era of de-energized campaigns!Can we do this later?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259541</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263501</id>
	<title>Would you like some cheese with that whine?</title>
	<author>davmoo</author>
	<datestamp>1244548920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the hell, I've got Karma to burn...</p><p>Apple/AT&amp;T release a new phone and only new customers and customers with contracts about to end get it for upgrade pricing.  Others are crying.</p><p>Guess what, cry babies...that's just like every other carrier in the US does.  Its the industry standard here.  Why did you expect different from AT&amp;T and His Holiness Lord Steve?  Contrary to what you think, you are not better than everyone else.  Welcome to the real world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell , I 've got Karma to burn...Apple/AT&amp;T release a new phone and only new customers and customers with contracts about to end get it for upgrade pricing .
Others are crying.Guess what , cry babies...that 's just like every other carrier in the US does .
Its the industry standard here .
Why did you expect different from AT&amp;T and His Holiness Lord Steve ?
Contrary to what you think , you are not better than everyone else .
Welcome to the real world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell, I've got Karma to burn...Apple/AT&amp;T release a new phone and only new customers and customers with contracts about to end get it for upgrade pricing.
Others are crying.Guess what, cry babies...that's just like every other carrier in the US does.
Its the industry standard here.
Why did you expect different from AT&amp;T and His Holiness Lord Steve?
Contrary to what you think, you are not better than everyone else.
Welcome to the real world.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260963</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>natemc</author>
	<datestamp>1244477640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You do have to wait 90 days to open a new account with them. I had an overzealous AT&amp;T manager cancel my phone service after my 3rd Sony Ericsson broke in less than a week.

I went to another store to open an account to only be told the above. So just be warned that you will be without for 3 months, at least.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do have to wait 90 days to open a new account with them .
I had an overzealous AT&amp;T manager cancel my phone service after my 3rd Sony Ericsson broke in less than a week .
I went to another store to open an account to only be told the above .
So just be warned that you will be without for 3 months , at least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do have to wait 90 days to open a new account with them.
I had an overzealous AT&amp;T manager cancel my phone service after my 3rd Sony Ericsson broke in less than a week.
I went to another store to open an account to only be told the above.
So just be warned that you will be without for 3 months, at least.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260457</id>
	<title>Here's how to avoid the ETF.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244474940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>COST THEM MONEY, and they will drop you. Here's how to do it.</p><p>1) Call customer support, EVERY DAY. Each call costs them at least $25, because they outsource it.</p><p>2) Have free roaming? Start roaming. Costs them big bux.</p><p>Do this, and trust me, they will glad to be rid of you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>COST THEM MONEY , and they will drop you .
Here 's how to do it.1 ) Call customer support , EVERY DAY .
Each call costs them at least $ 25 , because they outsource it.2 ) Have free roaming ?
Start roaming .
Costs them big bux.Do this , and trust me , they will glad to be rid of you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>COST THEM MONEY, and they will drop you.
Here's how to do it.1) Call customer support, EVERY DAY.
Each call costs them at least $25, because they outsource it.2) Have free roaming?
Start roaming.
Costs them big bux.Do this, and trust me, they will glad to be rid of you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261673</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>Oz82</author>
	<datestamp>1244483760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interestingly enough, as a wireless admin for a medium sized company, I can attest that our discount is more than that percentage. So, is ATT losing money to provide us with phone service?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interestingly enough , as a wireless admin for a medium sized company , I can attest that our discount is more than that percentage .
So , is ATT losing money to provide us with phone service ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interestingly enough, as a wireless admin for a medium sized company, I can attest that our discount is more than that percentage.
So, is ATT losing money to provide us with phone service?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259715</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28298439</id>
	<title>Whomsoever excuses AT&amp;T here... scares me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244751480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You can't blame anyone but yourself for your predicament."</p><p>Um. Dumbass, we can blame AT&amp;T for promoting the new version with a marketing scheme that creates inequitable prices based on factors that could not have been predicted ahead of time. So yes, it's their fault for not doing this better. Did they think they could give even one person a discount that others don't get and NOT hear crying? What the fuck? What the fuck is WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? Do you always bend over backwards to excuse corporate assholery? You know, you might want to check every morning to see if you've become a slave.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You ca n't blame anyone but yourself for your predicament. " Um .
Dumbass , we can blame AT&amp;T for promoting the new version with a marketing scheme that creates inequitable prices based on factors that could not have been predicted ahead of time .
So yes , it 's their fault for not doing this better .
Did they think they could give even one person a discount that others do n't get and NOT hear crying ?
What the fuck ?
What the fuck is WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE ?
Do you always bend over backwards to excuse corporate assholery ?
You know , you might want to check every morning to see if you 've become a slave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You can't blame anyone but yourself for your predicament."Um.
Dumbass, we can blame AT&amp;T for promoting the new version with a marketing scheme that creates inequitable prices based on factors that could not have been predicted ahead of time.
So yes, it's their fault for not doing this better.
Did they think they could give even one person a discount that others don't get and NOT hear crying?
What the fuck?
What the fuck is WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
Do you always bend over backwards to excuse corporate assholery?
You know, you might want to check every morning to see if you've become a slave.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260895</id>
	<title>What a Wonderful World it Would Be</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244477280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, it would be lovely if we could dispense with the entire status quo wherein mobile carriers subsidize the cost of phones to lock people in to long-term contracts. I'd gladly pay more for unlocked smartphones if it meant I could pay less for service (you'd better believe the cost of all those handsets is built into your bill) and switch at-will.</p><p>Now, it's true that you can buy some unlocked phones today, but it's far from the ideal situation for several reasons:<br>1. The price of unlocked phones is substantially above the wholesale price which phones are sold to the carriers for (I don't expect a volume discount like they get, but a few hundred dollars markup is a bit steep).<br>2. Some phones simply aren't available unlocked without going to the grey market, including the iPhone. That's because a lot of the most appealing phones (I'm debating an iPhone 3GS or an HTC Magic for my next) are offered as "exclusives" for a single carrier. That means that, in my region, if I want a particular phone, I'm stuck with AT&amp;T or T-Mobile, respectively, for service.<br>3. No price break on service. If you bring your own phone to play, you're still paying the extra that would cover the cost of a carrier-provided phone, which in this case is pure extra profit for the carrier.</p><p>Now, just imagine if a similar situation existed with TVs: you only get a cool new TV when you sign up for an extended cable or satellite contract, and you're then locked into using that TV with that provider. You'd also have to consider the tradeoff between the features you want in a TV and the coverage and quality of service you get. In other words, it would be an intolerable, fragmented mess.</p><p>But the service providers love vendor lock-in, and the phone manufacturers are only to happy to collude with them. It would probably take regulatory action to cut this particular knot. It's not impossible (remember when the FCC finally forced the mobile carriers to implement cell number portability, then they all advertised it as a great new feature), but I certainly wouldn't hold my breath for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , it would be lovely if we could dispense with the entire status quo wherein mobile carriers subsidize the cost of phones to lock people in to long-term contracts .
I 'd gladly pay more for unlocked smartphones if it meant I could pay less for service ( you 'd better believe the cost of all those handsets is built into your bill ) and switch at-will.Now , it 's true that you can buy some unlocked phones today , but it 's far from the ideal situation for several reasons : 1 .
The price of unlocked phones is substantially above the wholesale price which phones are sold to the carriers for ( I do n't expect a volume discount like they get , but a few hundred dollars markup is a bit steep ) .2 .
Some phones simply are n't available unlocked without going to the grey market , including the iPhone .
That 's because a lot of the most appealing phones ( I 'm debating an iPhone 3GS or an HTC Magic for my next ) are offered as " exclusives " for a single carrier .
That means that , in my region , if I want a particular phone , I 'm stuck with AT&amp;T or T-Mobile , respectively , for service.3 .
No price break on service .
If you bring your own phone to play , you 're still paying the extra that would cover the cost of a carrier-provided phone , which in this case is pure extra profit for the carrier.Now , just imagine if a similar situation existed with TVs : you only get a cool new TV when you sign up for an extended cable or satellite contract , and you 're then locked into using that TV with that provider .
You 'd also have to consider the tradeoff between the features you want in a TV and the coverage and quality of service you get .
In other words , it would be an intolerable , fragmented mess.But the service providers love vendor lock-in , and the phone manufacturers are only to happy to collude with them .
It would probably take regulatory action to cut this particular knot .
It 's not impossible ( remember when the FCC finally forced the mobile carriers to implement cell number portability , then they all advertised it as a great new feature ) , but I certainly would n't hold my breath for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, it would be lovely if we could dispense with the entire status quo wherein mobile carriers subsidize the cost of phones to lock people in to long-term contracts.
I'd gladly pay more for unlocked smartphones if it meant I could pay less for service (you'd better believe the cost of all those handsets is built into your bill) and switch at-will.Now, it's true that you can buy some unlocked phones today, but it's far from the ideal situation for several reasons:1.
The price of unlocked phones is substantially above the wholesale price which phones are sold to the carriers for (I don't expect a volume discount like they get, but a few hundred dollars markup is a bit steep).2.
Some phones simply aren't available unlocked without going to the grey market, including the iPhone.
That's because a lot of the most appealing phones (I'm debating an iPhone 3GS or an HTC Magic for my next) are offered as "exclusives" for a single carrier.
That means that, in my region, if I want a particular phone, I'm stuck with AT&amp;T or T-Mobile, respectively, for service.3.
No price break on service.
If you bring your own phone to play, you're still paying the extra that would cover the cost of a carrier-provided phone, which in this case is pure extra profit for the carrier.Now, just imagine if a similar situation existed with TVs: you only get a cool new TV when you sign up for an extended cable or satellite contract, and you're then locked into using that TV with that provider.
You'd also have to consider the tradeoff between the features you want in a TV and the coverage and quality of service you get.
In other words, it would be an intolerable, fragmented mess.But the service providers love vendor lock-in, and the phone manufacturers are only to happy to collude with them.
It would probably take regulatory action to cut this particular knot.
It's not impossible (remember when the FCC finally forced the mobile carriers to implement cell number portability, then they all advertised it as a great new feature), but I certainly wouldn't hold my breath for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259461</id>
	<title>Here's what I do.</title>
	<author>reidiq</author>
	<datestamp>1244469300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've had the iPhone 3G for almost a year now. AT&amp;T prorates their termination fee by $5 per month. That means after one year $5 * 12 = $60 off the fee. $175 - 60 = $115 that I pay to cancel my contract.

Buy the new iPhone 3GS for whatever model you want at the new 2 year agreement and voila! You got a new iPhone for $199/$299 + 115 = $314/$414. Save money but you'll lose your number more than likely.

Not sure if I feel the need to upgrade the phone. The firmware update is sexy in itself. I do like the 2x faster loading speeds for going into apps but I think I can hold out till next year for the iPhone 4G 2 turbo dubs edition.

I hope iPhone can break of the exclusivity to AT&amp;T, AT&amp;T is horrid. Last and not least, TOMTOM WOOOOOOO!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had the iPhone 3G for almost a year now .
AT&amp;T prorates their termination fee by $ 5 per month .
That means after one year $ 5 * 12 = $ 60 off the fee .
$ 175 - 60 = $ 115 that I pay to cancel my contract .
Buy the new iPhone 3GS for whatever model you want at the new 2 year agreement and voila !
You got a new iPhone for $ 199/ $ 299 + 115 = $ 314/ $ 414 .
Save money but you 'll lose your number more than likely .
Not sure if I feel the need to upgrade the phone .
The firmware update is sexy in itself .
I do like the 2x faster loading speeds for going into apps but I think I can hold out till next year for the iPhone 4G 2 turbo dubs edition .
I hope iPhone can break of the exclusivity to AT&amp;T , AT&amp;T is horrid .
Last and not least , TOMTOM WOOOOOOO !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had the iPhone 3G for almost a year now.
AT&amp;T prorates their termination fee by $5 per month.
That means after one year $5 * 12 = $60 off the fee.
$175 - 60 = $115 that I pay to cancel my contract.
Buy the new iPhone 3GS for whatever model you want at the new 2 year agreement and voila!
You got a new iPhone for $199/$299 + 115 = $314/$414.
Save money but you'll lose your number more than likely.
Not sure if I feel the need to upgrade the phone.
The firmware update is sexy in itself.
I do like the 2x faster loading speeds for going into apps but I think I can hold out till next year for the iPhone 4G 2 turbo dubs edition.
I hope iPhone can break of the exclusivity to AT&amp;T, AT&amp;T is horrid.
Last and not least, TOMTOM WOOOOOOO!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261157</id>
	<title>Re:Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1244479080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I think the main issue is the high cost of the iPhone.
</p><p>
And the highly inflated cost of cellular service for the iPhone.
</p><p>
The most  "loyal"  (whatever that means)  iPhoners  will find it in themselves to afford the spend of the extra few hundred $$s for ATT and Apple.
</p><p>
The rest...  I guess they aren't so loyal, are they?
</p><p>
The sane percentage of the population will wait until the price of the product they want inevitably drops over time, to a point that it fits their budget,   or until they find a superior (more appealing) choice,  e.g. possibly an Android phone, or future smart phone from another company,  that's as inexpensive as it is good...
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the main issue is the high cost of the iPhone .
And the highly inflated cost of cellular service for the iPhone .
The most " loyal " ( whatever that means ) iPhoners will find it in themselves to afford the spend of the extra few hundred $ $ s for ATT and Apple .
The rest... I guess they are n't so loyal , are they ?
The sane percentage of the population will wait until the price of the product they want inevitably drops over time , to a point that it fits their budget , or until they find a superior ( more appealing ) choice , e.g .
possibly an Android phone , or future smart phone from another company , that 's as inexpensive as it is good.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I think the main issue is the high cost of the iPhone.
And the highly inflated cost of cellular service for the iPhone.
The most  "loyal"  (whatever that means)  iPhoners  will find it in themselves to afford the spend of the extra few hundred $$s for ATT and Apple.
The rest...  I guess they aren't so loyal, are they?
The sane percentage of the population will wait until the price of the product they want inevitably drops over time, to a point that it fits their budget,   or until they find a superior (more appealing) choice,  e.g.
possibly an Android phone, or future smart phone from another company,  that's as inexpensive as it is good...
</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28266575</id>
	<title>jailbreak</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244566080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>just wait for the jailbreak, and switch to another carrier.  If enough people do it, AT&amp;T might have to actually deal with competition.  Then see how hard-hole they are with their upgrade policies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>just wait for the jailbreak , and switch to another carrier .
If enough people do it , AT&amp;T might have to actually deal with competition .
Then see how hard-hole they are with their upgrade policies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just wait for the jailbreak, and switch to another carrier.
If enough people do it, AT&amp;T might have to actually deal with competition.
Then see how hard-hole they are with their upgrade policies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261447</id>
	<title>WHINE WHINE WHINE must be the I-THING</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wow, really, you all signed the contract you knew per the last update this is how it works (new activations, well your at least 18 and no one told you to ask questions and read before you sign, i feel for you lol) and what do you know a new one came out.  HEAVEN FORBID A NEW PHONE LOL.</p><p>
&nbsp; This is how it has worked for years you sign a new contract you get phones cheaper, your not eligible for a new phone you pay lots of money,  you people are complaining about not being able to upgrade  to the latest and greatest right after you just did an update , think how the people who broke their phone feel (before upgrade time).  Not saying the system is right but all this over an iphone nobody did this for the rumor, blackjack, and countless other phones which were updated over the years, really not an "I"Thing fan so i find this whole article really entertaining.  I have a feeling the I-Community will win this one though sadly cause att cant stop massive waves of people who think they deserve something special cause they are the I-Community LOL, one big I D ten T error after another Darwin really needs to get on the ball.</p><p>I just bought something and now something better came out i want that instead, cell phone companies are not rent-a-centers</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wow , really , you all signed the contract you knew per the last update this is how it works ( new activations , well your at least 18 and no one told you to ask questions and read before you sign , i feel for you lol ) and what do you know a new one came out .
HEAVEN FORBID A NEW PHONE LOL .
  This is how it has worked for years you sign a new contract you get phones cheaper , your not eligible for a new phone you pay lots of money , you people are complaining about not being able to upgrade to the latest and greatest right after you just did an update , think how the people who broke their phone feel ( before upgrade time ) .
Not saying the system is right but all this over an iphone nobody did this for the rumor , blackjack , and countless other phones which were updated over the years , really not an " I " Thing fan so i find this whole article really entertaining .
I have a feeling the I-Community will win this one though sadly cause att cant stop massive waves of people who think they deserve something special cause they are the I-Community LOL , one big I D ten T error after another Darwin really needs to get on the ball.I just bought something and now something better came out i want that instead , cell phone companies are not rent-a-centers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wow, really, you all signed the contract you knew per the last update this is how it works (new activations, well your at least 18 and no one told you to ask questions and read before you sign, i feel for you lol) and what do you know a new one came out.
HEAVEN FORBID A NEW PHONE LOL.
  This is how it has worked for years you sign a new contract you get phones cheaper, your not eligible for a new phone you pay lots of money,  you people are complaining about not being able to upgrade  to the latest and greatest right after you just did an update , think how the people who broke their phone feel (before upgrade time).
Not saying the system is right but all this over an iphone nobody did this for the rumor, blackjack, and countless other phones which were updated over the years, really not an "I"Thing fan so i find this whole article really entertaining.
I have a feeling the I-Community will win this one though sadly cause att cant stop massive waves of people who think they deserve something special cause they are the I-Community LOL, one big I D ten T error after another Darwin really needs to get on the ball.I just bought something and now something better came out i want that instead, cell phone companies are not rent-a-centers</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259281</id>
	<title>SUCKERS!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What, you thought buying an iphone made you something special? You're just another cell phone customer in the revenue machine, willing to spend more for something shiny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What , you thought buying an iphone made you something special ?
You 're just another cell phone customer in the revenue machine , willing to spend more for something shiny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What, you thought buying an iphone made you something special?
You're just another cell phone customer in the revenue machine, willing to spend more for something shiny.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28274143</id>
	<title>Liars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244559120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I called the b******* and they said its "in our contract with apple, we cant give you that pricing"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I called the b * * * * * * * and they said its " in our contract with apple , we cant give you that pricing "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I called the b******* and they said its "in our contract with apple, we cant give you that pricing"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263869</id>
	<title>Wait a second...</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1244552940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me make sure I understand this correctly...</p><p>These shiny-chasers overpay for a phone because it comes out of the RDF. A year later a new one comes out, and they're pissed because they have to buy a new one without subsidy contract?</p><p>The same as everyone else has ALWAYS had to do it with these scumbags? What is it they think makes them special?</p><p>See, THIS kind of thing is why people pick on Apple fans. Mindboggling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me make sure I understand this correctly...These shiny-chasers overpay for a phone because it comes out of the RDF .
A year later a new one comes out , and they 're pissed because they have to buy a new one without subsidy contract ? The same as everyone else has ALWAYS had to do it with these scumbags ?
What is it they think makes them special ? See , THIS kind of thing is why people pick on Apple fans .
Mindboggling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me make sure I understand this correctly...These shiny-chasers overpay for a phone because it comes out of the RDF.
A year later a new one comes out, and they're pissed because they have to buy a new one without subsidy contract?The same as everyone else has ALWAYS had to do it with these scumbags?
What is it they think makes them special?See, THIS kind of thing is why people pick on Apple fans.
Mindboggling.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260829</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1244476860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
They could have a 10000\% profit margin in their text messaging and cellular plans business.
</p><p>
While having massive losses or only modest profit in other businesses.    It just depends on how much of their business is cellular.
</p><p>
A lot of the business ATT has in phone companies it acquired is not cellular.   Think plain old telephone service.
</p><p>
Long distance, and other carrier services...
</p><p>
Recall that in the areas where they are ILEC, they have build-out requirements imposed on them....  highly massive infrastructure costs to deploy certain telco services to all residences..
</p><p>
And "tarrifed" services, which are price-regulated, so they can't charge person A and person B  in the same community different prices for their basic phone line (just because it's 100x as expensive to reach person B due to geography, doesn't mean they can charge person B $200/month instead of the normal $15/month, in order to recover costs).
</p><p>
Yes, it can be expensive to deploy hundreds of antennas in a county  to provide wireless connectivity.   I won't say mobile services are dirt cheap.
</p><p>
But compared to the costs of providing land line service to millions of homes,  it could be just plain tiny......
</p><p>
And i'm sure ATT has other businesses.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They could have a 10000 \ % profit margin in their text messaging and cellular plans business .
While having massive losses or only modest profit in other businesses .
It just depends on how much of their business is cellular .
A lot of the business ATT has in phone companies it acquired is not cellular .
Think plain old telephone service .
Long distance , and other carrier services.. . Recall that in the areas where they are ILEC , they have build-out requirements imposed on them.... highly massive infrastructure costs to deploy certain telco services to all residences. . And " tarrifed " services , which are price-regulated , so they ca n't charge person A and person B in the same community different prices for their basic phone line ( just because it 's 100x as expensive to reach person B due to geography , does n't mean they can charge person B $ 200/month instead of the normal $ 15/month , in order to recover costs ) .
Yes , it can be expensive to deploy hundreds of antennas in a county to provide wireless connectivity .
I wo n't say mobile services are dirt cheap .
But compared to the costs of providing land line service to millions of homes , it could be just plain tiny..... . And i 'm sure ATT has other businesses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
They could have a 10000\% profit margin in their text messaging and cellular plans business.
While having massive losses or only modest profit in other businesses.
It just depends on how much of their business is cellular.
A lot of the business ATT has in phone companies it acquired is not cellular.
Think plain old telephone service.
Long distance, and other carrier services...

Recall that in the areas where they are ILEC, they have build-out requirements imposed on them....  highly massive infrastructure costs to deploy certain telco services to all residences..

And "tarrifed" services, which are price-regulated, so they can't charge person A and person B  in the same community different prices for their basic phone line (just because it's 100x as expensive to reach person B due to geography, doesn't mean they can charge person B $200/month instead of the normal $15/month, in order to recover costs).
Yes, it can be expensive to deploy hundreds of antennas in a county  to provide wireless connectivity.
I won't say mobile services are dirt cheap.
But compared to the costs of providing land line service to millions of homes,  it could be just plain tiny......

And i'm sure ATT has other businesses.
</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259907</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244472000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to AT&amp;T's <a href="http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&amp;cdvn=news&amp;newsarticleid=25390" title="att.com">announcement</a> [att.com] from 2008, their current early termination fee is 175 dollars minus 5 dollars per month that the contract was completed.  For half-way through a 2-year contract, that's 115 dollars.</p><p>So if you are thinking of paying the extra money and upgrading your phone, first pay the 115 bucks and cancel your account.  Then apply for a new account with the no-contract discount.  Instead of paying 399 for the phone, you'll only pay 314, or a savings of 85 dollars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to AT&amp;T 's announcement [ att.com ] from 2008 , their current early termination fee is 175 dollars minus 5 dollars per month that the contract was completed .
For half-way through a 2-year contract , that 's 115 dollars.So if you are thinking of paying the extra money and upgrading your phone , first pay the 115 bucks and cancel your account .
Then apply for a new account with the no-contract discount .
Instead of paying 399 for the phone , you 'll only pay 314 , or a savings of 85 dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to AT&amp;T's announcement [att.com] from 2008, their current early termination fee is 175 dollars minus 5 dollars per month that the contract was completed.
For half-way through a 2-year contract, that's 115 dollars.So if you are thinking of paying the extra money and upgrading your phone, first pay the 115 bucks and cancel your account.
Then apply for a new account with the no-contract discount.
Instead of paying 399 for the phone, you'll only pay 314, or a savings of 85 dollars.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262077</id>
	<title>But I want it for free...</title>
	<author>Xaoswolf</author>
	<datestamp>1244488260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really hate people some times.  You got one phone for free, so you feel that you need another?  Get a damn job and buy one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hate people some times .
You got one phone for free , so you feel that you need another ?
Get a damn job and buy one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hate people some times.
You got one phone for free, so you feel that you need another?
Get a damn job and buy one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259679</id>
	<title>Re:Why not just add to your term</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1244470620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because you're essentially running up "debt" that way, that the phone company is going to take longer and longer to recoup.  When they give you a discount on that phone, they're essentially loaning the money for a set time.  Asking for a year's extension on that time costs them.  Imagine if a customer did that every year as the new models came out.  They extend their contract to 3 years now.  Next year they're up to 4 if they switch out.  Pretty soon they're racking up owed contract years that they'll either newer get to, or they're going to have to eventually wait out for an extremely long amount of time before they can get a new phone.</p><p>I mean honestly, if this guy is whining now about this model - do you honestly think he's going to get this one and then wait THREE years (an eternity on the cell phone market) before picking up the newest model?  No, he's going to want the latest and greatest every time.  If he wants that then fine, but he needs to cowboy up and pay the full price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because you 're essentially running up " debt " that way , that the phone company is going to take longer and longer to recoup .
When they give you a discount on that phone , they 're essentially loaning the money for a set time .
Asking for a year 's extension on that time costs them .
Imagine if a customer did that every year as the new models came out .
They extend their contract to 3 years now .
Next year they 're up to 4 if they switch out .
Pretty soon they 're racking up owed contract years that they 'll either newer get to , or they 're going to have to eventually wait out for an extremely long amount of time before they can get a new phone.I mean honestly , if this guy is whining now about this model - do you honestly think he 's going to get this one and then wait THREE years ( an eternity on the cell phone market ) before picking up the newest model ?
No , he 's going to want the latest and greatest every time .
If he wants that then fine , but he needs to cowboy up and pay the full price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because you're essentially running up "debt" that way, that the phone company is going to take longer and longer to recoup.
When they give you a discount on that phone, they're essentially loaning the money for a set time.
Asking for a year's extension on that time costs them.
Imagine if a customer did that every year as the new models came out.
They extend their contract to 3 years now.
Next year they're up to 4 if they switch out.
Pretty soon they're racking up owed contract years that they'll either newer get to, or they're going to have to eventually wait out for an extremely long amount of time before they can get a new phone.I mean honestly, if this guy is whining now about this model - do you honestly think he's going to get this one and then wait THREE years (an eternity on the cell phone market) before picking up the newest model?
No, he's going to want the latest and greatest every time.
If he wants that then fine, but he needs to cowboy up and pay the full price.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259465</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28265975</id>
	<title>All of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...has happened before, and all of this will happen again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...has happened before , and all of this will happen again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...has happened before, and all of this will happen again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28265415</id>
	<title>Seriously, there is something you can do...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244561280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously people, if you are so upset about this go donate something to people trying to do something about how bad AT&amp;T and the rest of the US service providers are!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously people , if you are so upset about this go donate something to people trying to do something about how bad AT&amp;T and the rest of the US service providers are !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously people, if you are so upset about this go donate something to people trying to do something about how bad AT&amp;T and the rest of the US service providers are!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260749</id>
	<title>Reality Check</title>
	<author>chill</author>
	<datestamp>1244476320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The people who are bitching and moaning about this are total Apple Fanbois.  If Steve Jobs stopped short, you'd need the jaws of life to extricate them from his ass.</p><p>Protest all you want, but AT&amp;T can call your bluff.  What are you going to do?  Not use your iPhone?  Not buy another iPhone?  Yeah, right.  That thing you are bent over is a barrel of your own choosing.  To change AT&amp;Ts policy you'd need a credible threat to their business, and fanbois threatening to stop using their precious iPhone aren't credible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The people who are bitching and moaning about this are total Apple Fanbois .
If Steve Jobs stopped short , you 'd need the jaws of life to extricate them from his ass.Protest all you want , but AT&amp;T can call your bluff .
What are you going to do ?
Not use your iPhone ?
Not buy another iPhone ?
Yeah , right .
That thing you are bent over is a barrel of your own choosing .
To change AT&amp;Ts policy you 'd need a credible threat to their business , and fanbois threatening to stop using their precious iPhone are n't credible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The people who are bitching and moaning about this are total Apple Fanbois.
If Steve Jobs stopped short, you'd need the jaws of life to extricate them from his ass.Protest all you want, but AT&amp;T can call your bluff.
What are you going to do?
Not use your iPhone?
Not buy another iPhone?
Yeah, right.
That thing you are bent over is a barrel of your own choosing.
To change AT&amp;Ts policy you'd need a credible threat to their business, and fanbois threatening to stop using their precious iPhone aren't credible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260387</id>
	<title>Big fat hairy-assed deal!</title>
	<author>bXTr</author>
	<datestamp>1244474640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This was the policy since the company was still known as Cingular. You want a new phone cheap, sign a two year contract. Already on a two year contract, wait until about three months before it expires, or pay the full price. Don't want to do that, then DIE, PLEASE.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This was the policy since the company was still known as Cingular .
You want a new phone cheap , sign a two year contract .
Already on a two year contract , wait until about three months before it expires , or pay the full price .
Do n't want to do that , then DIE , PLEASE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was the policy since the company was still known as Cingular.
You want a new phone cheap, sign a two year contract.
Already on a two year contract, wait until about three months before it expires, or pay the full price.
Don't want to do that, then DIE, PLEASE.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263775</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1244552040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you forgot to include refunding to AT&amp;T the subsidized cost included in the device, $400, prorated over your contract.  It's either that or return the iPhone...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you forgot to include refunding to AT&amp;T the subsidized cost included in the device , $ 400 , prorated over your contract .
It 's either that or return the iPhone.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you forgot to include refunding to AT&amp;T the subsidized cost included in the device, $400, prorated over your contract.
It's either that or return the iPhone...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259907</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263729</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>Jay L</author>
	<datestamp>1244551620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So if you are thinking of paying the extra money and upgrading your phone, first pay the 115 bucks and cancel your account. Then apply for a new account</p></div></blockquote><p>I was thinking the same thing. But as I understand it, you can't create a new AT&amp;T account until 60 days after you cancel your old one - and there are credit checks involved, so you can't just open the new account for your nonexistent "roommate". You'd have to port your number somewhere else for 60 days (and, unless you unlock the phone, switch phones as well).</p><p>I've also read (unsourced) that there will be a price drop on July 12; there was speculation that it was AT&amp;T making sure they'd signed up all the new accounts they could (with sufficient stocking levels) before dropping the price for existing accounts.</p><p>But I don't know that I believe that. July 12 is the one-year anniversary of the 3G, and I think long-time AT&amp;T customers are getting the full discount after 12 months. So it could be that someone misinterpreted that, and assumed that *everyone* gets the discount on July 12.</p><blockquote><div><p>their current early termination fee is 175 dollars minus 5 dollars per month</p></div></blockquote><p>If nothing else, that says it's foolish to spend $200 more on the contract-free, unsubsidized version (unless you live in an area where T-Mobile really is good enough).  If you buy the "early upgrade" 32GB phone for $499, you could cancel immediately and still pay $25 less to AT that deal gets better as you wait longer, but it never gets worse.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So if you are thinking of paying the extra money and upgrading your phone , first pay the 115 bucks and cancel your account .
Then apply for a new accountI was thinking the same thing .
But as I understand it , you ca n't create a new AT&amp;T account until 60 days after you cancel your old one - and there are credit checks involved , so you ca n't just open the new account for your nonexistent " roommate " .
You 'd have to port your number somewhere else for 60 days ( and , unless you unlock the phone , switch phones as well ) .I 've also read ( unsourced ) that there will be a price drop on July 12 ; there was speculation that it was AT&amp;T making sure they 'd signed up all the new accounts they could ( with sufficient stocking levels ) before dropping the price for existing accounts.But I do n't know that I believe that .
July 12 is the one-year anniversary of the 3G , and I think long-time AT&amp;T customers are getting the full discount after 12 months .
So it could be that someone misinterpreted that , and assumed that * everyone * gets the discount on July 12.their current early termination fee is 175 dollars minus 5 dollars per monthIf nothing else , that says it 's foolish to spend $ 200 more on the contract-free , unsubsidized version ( unless you live in an area where T-Mobile really is good enough ) .
If you buy the " early upgrade " 32GB phone for $ 499 , you could cancel immediately and still pay $ 25 less to AT that deal gets better as you wait longer , but it never gets worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if you are thinking of paying the extra money and upgrading your phone, first pay the 115 bucks and cancel your account.
Then apply for a new accountI was thinking the same thing.
But as I understand it, you can't create a new AT&amp;T account until 60 days after you cancel your old one - and there are credit checks involved, so you can't just open the new account for your nonexistent "roommate".
You'd have to port your number somewhere else for 60 days (and, unless you unlock the phone, switch phones as well).I've also read (unsourced) that there will be a price drop on July 12; there was speculation that it was AT&amp;T making sure they'd signed up all the new accounts they could (with sufficient stocking levels) before dropping the price for existing accounts.But I don't know that I believe that.
July 12 is the one-year anniversary of the 3G, and I think long-time AT&amp;T customers are getting the full discount after 12 months.
So it could be that someone misinterpreted that, and assumed that *everyone* gets the discount on July 12.their current early termination fee is 175 dollars minus 5 dollars per monthIf nothing else, that says it's foolish to spend $200 more on the contract-free, unsubsidized version (unless you live in an area where T-Mobile really is good enough).
If you buy the "early upgrade" 32GB phone for $499, you could cancel immediately and still pay $25 less to AT that deal gets better as you wait longer, but it never gets worse.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28267335</id>
	<title>They deserve it !!</title>
	<author>duwde</author>
	<datestamp>1244568360000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only thing I can say is, THEY DESERVE IT !!

Apple products are made for fools, so why are you all complaning ?
 * They sell it locked for abusive prices, unlocks are gettings harder every day (and there is no real unlock for 3g, like it was possible in 2g, only the yellowsnow thing in some 3g, but it is NOT a real baseband unlock.
 * They wanna charge for downloaded applications
 * They don't understand we want it UNLOCKED and not at abusive prices.

That's why I keep using my Nokia. I pay to make my life EASIER, not harder...

People signing contracts are fools to think apple is really caring about anything other their revenue...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing I can say is , THEY DESERVE IT ! !
Apple products are made for fools , so why are you all complaning ?
* They sell it locked for abusive prices , unlocks are gettings harder every day ( and there is no real unlock for 3g , like it was possible in 2g , only the yellowsnow thing in some 3g , but it is NOT a real baseband unlock .
* They wan na charge for downloaded applications * They do n't understand we want it UNLOCKED and not at abusive prices .
That 's why I keep using my Nokia .
I pay to make my life EASIER , not harder.. . People signing contracts are fools to think apple is really caring about anything other their revenue.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing I can say is, THEY DESERVE IT !!
Apple products are made for fools, so why are you all complaning ?
* They sell it locked for abusive prices, unlocks are gettings harder every day (and there is no real unlock for 3g, like it was possible in 2g, only the yellowsnow thing in some 3g, but it is NOT a real baseband unlock.
* They wanna charge for downloaded applications
 * They don't understand we want it UNLOCKED and not at abusive prices.
That's why I keep using my Nokia.
I pay to make my life EASIER, not harder...

People signing contracts are fools to think apple is really caring about anything other their revenue...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260051</id>
	<title>Welcome to the USA.</title>
	<author>IcePop456</author>
	<datestamp>1244472960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems like the average joe/jane only believes in contracts when they get ALL the benefits with no downside.  Don't get me wrong, I think there needs to be some more checks and balances with the carriers, but a contract is a contract.  If you don't agree to it, don't sign it.  If you don't care to read and understand it (or can't understand it - find help!) that's your own damn fault!  Only in the USA can we blame everyone else for our own problems.

</p><p>My mortgage...how was I supposed to know that I can't afford to live next to a wealthy CEO even though I have an entry level job.  Must be the someone else fault I got myself into that situation without even giving it a rational thought!

</p><p>Too good to be true?  Not if the village idiot can convince the village to follow them</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like the average joe/jane only believes in contracts when they get ALL the benefits with no downside .
Do n't get me wrong , I think there needs to be some more checks and balances with the carriers , but a contract is a contract .
If you do n't agree to it , do n't sign it .
If you do n't care to read and understand it ( or ca n't understand it - find help !
) that 's your own damn fault !
Only in the USA can we blame everyone else for our own problems .
My mortgage...how was I supposed to know that I ca n't afford to live next to a wealthy CEO even though I have an entry level job .
Must be the someone else fault I got myself into that situation without even giving it a rational thought !
Too good to be true ?
Not if the village idiot can convince the village to follow them</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like the average joe/jane only believes in contracts when they get ALL the benefits with no downside.
Don't get me wrong, I think there needs to be some more checks and balances with the carriers, but a contract is a contract.
If you don't agree to it, don't sign it.
If you don't care to read and understand it (or can't understand it - find help!
) that's your own damn fault!
Only in the USA can we blame everyone else for our own problems.
My mortgage...how was I supposed to know that I can't afford to live next to a wealthy CEO even though I have an entry level job.
Must be the someone else fault I got myself into that situation without even giving it a rational thought!
Too good to be true?
Not if the village idiot can convince the village to follow them</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263281</id>
	<title>Re:This is nothing new.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244545860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you had an Original Motorola RAZR and you wanted a new one, you had to pay full price.</p></div><p>Yes but that could be explained as an idiot tax</p></div>
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<tokenext>If you had an Original Motorola RAZR and you wanted a new one , you had to pay full price.Yes but that could be explained as an idiot tax</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you had an Original Motorola RAZR and you wanted a new one, you had to pay full price.Yes but that could be explained as an idiot tax
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262383</id>
	<title>Here's a thought.</title>
	<author>wickerprints</author>
	<datestamp>1244578200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Let's see... 2 year service contract / 1 year hardware design cycle = 2 hardware revisions per contract period<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... fewer users upgrading, lower hardware revenues.  Maybe, just maybe, I can wait another year until the next incremental change happens.  Sorry, as much as I enjoy using Apple products, this is really poor business strategy.  You're losing a whole subset of potential customers willing to drop hundreds more on a new handset every year, who are now instead going to wait every two years to get the lowest price.  It doesn't take a genius to look at how Apple has milked the iPod cash cow by tweaking the product every six months or so.  Tiny incremental changes, advertised as revolutionary, just to get the masses to throw away their "obsolete" device for something new.  It's like disposable technology, only the per unit cost is significantly higher.</p><p>This was never really about the money.  $200 every year is less than $20 a month.  People pay more than three times that amount just for the phone service, and we all know AT&amp;T is gouging us.  It was never really about contracts.  It is about being played.  I don't believe in Apple's way of manipulating its product lifecycle to get users to buy every incremental change.  They could've made the iPhone 3G S last year.  The technology existed.  But they held back and they're dragging it out.  It reeks of consumer exploitation.  And if we weren't bound to a single carrier, you can be sure that the competitive pressure would be a good thing for the consumer.  Frankly, for a group of people who enjoy a product so much they're willing to pay several hundred, if not a thousand, dollars a year, an extra few hundred is not a dealbreaker.  But feeling like you're being taken for a fool...well, that's the sort of thing that drives people to develop a love/hate relationship with a company like Apple.</p><p>I've never wanted the Palm Pre to succeed as bad as I do now.  I want all the competitors to succeed.  Nokia, RIM, Samsung, LG, even Microsoft.  I want them to make a kick-ass device that will give Apple a run for its money.  I'm not holding my breath, but I can hope.  Come on Android, make something great already.  It's only when the competition actually poses a threat to market dominance that real innovation starts to happen, and prices go down.</p><p>The thing is, the iPhone 3G isn't somehow magically rendered obsolete just because Apple made an improved version.  It still does what it does.  And with the new OS, it'll do even more.  Such is the way technology changes.  Yes, I think I'm sticking with my current phone.  I waited one year to get 3G, I waited another year to get video/MMS/etc.  I told myself I'd buy the new iPhone no matter what.  And after the wait, and seeing the writing on the wall, I've come to the realization that I don't really care about having Apple's latest toy anymore.  In fact, I really don't do much with my existing iPhone anyway.  So why continue buying into this scheme?  To paraphrase Mark Twain, if you're being regarded as an idiot, why play along and remove all doubt?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see... 2 year service contract / 1 year hardware design cycle = 2 hardware revisions per contract period ... fewer users upgrading , lower hardware revenues .
Maybe , just maybe , I can wait another year until the next incremental change happens .
Sorry , as much as I enjoy using Apple products , this is really poor business strategy .
You 're losing a whole subset of potential customers willing to drop hundreds more on a new handset every year , who are now instead going to wait every two years to get the lowest price .
It does n't take a genius to look at how Apple has milked the iPod cash cow by tweaking the product every six months or so .
Tiny incremental changes , advertised as revolutionary , just to get the masses to throw away their " obsolete " device for something new .
It 's like disposable technology , only the per unit cost is significantly higher.This was never really about the money .
$ 200 every year is less than $ 20 a month .
People pay more than three times that amount just for the phone service , and we all know AT&amp;T is gouging us .
It was never really about contracts .
It is about being played .
I do n't believe in Apple 's way of manipulating its product lifecycle to get users to buy every incremental change .
They could 've made the iPhone 3G S last year .
The technology existed .
But they held back and they 're dragging it out .
It reeks of consumer exploitation .
And if we were n't bound to a single carrier , you can be sure that the competitive pressure would be a good thing for the consumer .
Frankly , for a group of people who enjoy a product so much they 're willing to pay several hundred , if not a thousand , dollars a year , an extra few hundred is not a dealbreaker .
But feeling like you 're being taken for a fool...well , that 's the sort of thing that drives people to develop a love/hate relationship with a company like Apple.I 've never wanted the Palm Pre to succeed as bad as I do now .
I want all the competitors to succeed .
Nokia , RIM , Samsung , LG , even Microsoft .
I want them to make a kick-ass device that will give Apple a run for its money .
I 'm not holding my breath , but I can hope .
Come on Android , make something great already .
It 's only when the competition actually poses a threat to market dominance that real innovation starts to happen , and prices go down.The thing is , the iPhone 3G is n't somehow magically rendered obsolete just because Apple made an improved version .
It still does what it does .
And with the new OS , it 'll do even more .
Such is the way technology changes .
Yes , I think I 'm sticking with my current phone .
I waited one year to get 3G , I waited another year to get video/MMS/etc .
I told myself I 'd buy the new iPhone no matter what .
And after the wait , and seeing the writing on the wall , I 've come to the realization that I do n't really care about having Apple 's latest toy anymore .
In fact , I really do n't do much with my existing iPhone anyway .
So why continue buying into this scheme ?
To paraphrase Mark Twain , if you 're being regarded as an idiot , why play along and remove all doubt ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see... 2 year service contract / 1 year hardware design cycle = 2 hardware revisions per contract period ... fewer users upgrading, lower hardware revenues.
Maybe, just maybe, I can wait another year until the next incremental change happens.
Sorry, as much as I enjoy using Apple products, this is really poor business strategy.
You're losing a whole subset of potential customers willing to drop hundreds more on a new handset every year, who are now instead going to wait every two years to get the lowest price.
It doesn't take a genius to look at how Apple has milked the iPod cash cow by tweaking the product every six months or so.
Tiny incremental changes, advertised as revolutionary, just to get the masses to throw away their "obsolete" device for something new.
It's like disposable technology, only the per unit cost is significantly higher.This was never really about the money.
$200 every year is less than $20 a month.
People pay more than three times that amount just for the phone service, and we all know AT&amp;T is gouging us.
It was never really about contracts.
It is about being played.
I don't believe in Apple's way of manipulating its product lifecycle to get users to buy every incremental change.
They could've made the iPhone 3G S last year.
The technology existed.
But they held back and they're dragging it out.
It reeks of consumer exploitation.
And if we weren't bound to a single carrier, you can be sure that the competitive pressure would be a good thing for the consumer.
Frankly, for a group of people who enjoy a product so much they're willing to pay several hundred, if not a thousand, dollars a year, an extra few hundred is not a dealbreaker.
But feeling like you're being taken for a fool...well, that's the sort of thing that drives people to develop a love/hate relationship with a company like Apple.I've never wanted the Palm Pre to succeed as bad as I do now.
I want all the competitors to succeed.
Nokia, RIM, Samsung, LG, even Microsoft.
I want them to make a kick-ass device that will give Apple a run for its money.
I'm not holding my breath, but I can hope.
Come on Android, make something great already.
It's only when the competition actually poses a threat to market dominance that real innovation starts to happen, and prices go down.The thing is, the iPhone 3G isn't somehow magically rendered obsolete just because Apple made an improved version.
It still does what it does.
And with the new OS, it'll do even more.
Such is the way technology changes.
Yes, I think I'm sticking with my current phone.
I waited one year to get 3G, I waited another year to get video/MMS/etc.
I told myself I'd buy the new iPhone no matter what.
And after the wait, and seeing the writing on the wall, I've come to the realization that I don't really care about having Apple's latest toy anymore.
In fact, I really don't do much with my existing iPhone anyway.
So why continue buying into this scheme?
To paraphrase Mark Twain, if you're being regarded as an idiot, why play along and remove all doubt?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28282889</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>wumingzi</author>
	<datestamp>1244661960000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>AT&amp;T has a profit margin of 10\%. If you think that is insanely high... I'd rather not be in business with you.</i></p><p>While I don't think AT&amp;T releases profits by divisions of the company, I am writing from inside of one of those sections and don't think I'm giving away any big secrets by telling an illustrating factoid.</p><p>Much of the "bulk" of AT&amp;T is the landline business.  This is a high-cost, low margin business which is being eaten away at by VOIP, cable companies, attrition to mobile solutions, etc.  Another poster asked about how to spend 100 billion dollars.  Payroll for 300,000 employees is one way.  Rooms full of expensive equipment is another.</p><p>There is a much smaller segment of the company involved in mobility solutions (cell phones/HSDPA/etc.)  That divison of the company is quite profitable, thank you very much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T has a profit margin of 10 \ % .
If you think that is insanely high... I 'd rather not be in business with you.While I do n't think AT&amp;T releases profits by divisions of the company , I am writing from inside of one of those sections and do n't think I 'm giving away any big secrets by telling an illustrating factoid.Much of the " bulk " of AT&amp;T is the landline business .
This is a high-cost , low margin business which is being eaten away at by VOIP , cable companies , attrition to mobile solutions , etc .
Another poster asked about how to spend 100 billion dollars .
Payroll for 300,000 employees is one way .
Rooms full of expensive equipment is another.There is a much smaller segment of the company involved in mobility solutions ( cell phones/HSDPA/etc .
) That divison of the company is quite profitable , thank you very much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T has a profit margin of 10\%.
If you think that is insanely high... I'd rather not be in business with you.While I don't think AT&amp;T releases profits by divisions of the company, I am writing from inside of one of those sections and don't think I'm giving away any big secrets by telling an illustrating factoid.Much of the "bulk" of AT&amp;T is the landline business.
This is a high-cost, low margin business which is being eaten away at by VOIP, cable companies, attrition to mobile solutions, etc.
Another poster asked about how to spend 100 billion dollars.
Payroll for 300,000 employees is one way.
Rooms full of expensive equipment is another.There is a much smaller segment of the company involved in mobility solutions (cell phones/HSDPA/etc.
)  That divison of the company is quite profitable, thank you very much.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263645</id>
	<title>Re:What a Wonderful World it Would Be</title>
	<author>Registered Coward v2</author>
	<datestamp>1244550600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course, it would be lovely if we could dispense with the entire status quo wherein mobile carriers subsidize the cost of phones to lock people in to long-term contracts. I'd gladly pay more for unlocked smartphones if it meant I could pay less for service (you'd better believe the cost of all those handsets is built into your bill) and switch at-will.</p></div><p>There are several reasons why I don't see that happening:</p><p>Carriers would lose a significant amount of customers - many people will not pay the full price up front - either they can't or simply won't - and as a result would not get a cell phone.  I remember the days when that was the model - and very few people actually had a cell phone.</p><p>Pay as you go customers are less valuable because they can price shop regularly - so revenue streams are unpredictable and carriers either get caught in price wars to keep customers, losing revenue, or the have high churn and need to advertise to get new customers, raising costs.</p><p>Most people seem to like getting a new phone every few years - whether they need done or not.  Contracts let them do that at a perceived lower cost; plus most companies let you renew at 18 months anyway so the two year lock is not really two years.  This lowers churn making the model very desirable for companies.</p><p>Realistically, as much as I want a new iPhone GS; for me the killer app is TomTom.  As long as that works reasonably well on my existing 2G phone I really don't need an upgrade.  If not, I can always get a cheap GPS and carry it with me and wait until my contract allows me the lowest subsidized price.  By then the GS may well be old news as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , it would be lovely if we could dispense with the entire status quo wherein mobile carriers subsidize the cost of phones to lock people in to long-term contracts .
I 'd gladly pay more for unlocked smartphones if it meant I could pay less for service ( you 'd better believe the cost of all those handsets is built into your bill ) and switch at-will.There are several reasons why I do n't see that happening : Carriers would lose a significant amount of customers - many people will not pay the full price up front - either they ca n't or simply wo n't - and as a result would not get a cell phone .
I remember the days when that was the model - and very few people actually had a cell phone.Pay as you go customers are less valuable because they can price shop regularly - so revenue streams are unpredictable and carriers either get caught in price wars to keep customers , losing revenue , or the have high churn and need to advertise to get new customers , raising costs.Most people seem to like getting a new phone every few years - whether they need done or not .
Contracts let them do that at a perceived lower cost ; plus most companies let you renew at 18 months anyway so the two year lock is not really two years .
This lowers churn making the model very desirable for companies.Realistically , as much as I want a new iPhone GS ; for me the killer app is TomTom .
As long as that works reasonably well on my existing 2G phone I really do n't need an upgrade .
If not , I can always get a cheap GPS and carry it with me and wait until my contract allows me the lowest subsidized price .
By then the GS may well be old news as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, it would be lovely if we could dispense with the entire status quo wherein mobile carriers subsidize the cost of phones to lock people in to long-term contracts.
I'd gladly pay more for unlocked smartphones if it meant I could pay less for service (you'd better believe the cost of all those handsets is built into your bill) and switch at-will.There are several reasons why I don't see that happening:Carriers would lose a significant amount of customers - many people will not pay the full price up front - either they can't or simply won't - and as a result would not get a cell phone.
I remember the days when that was the model - and very few people actually had a cell phone.Pay as you go customers are less valuable because they can price shop regularly - so revenue streams are unpredictable and carriers either get caught in price wars to keep customers, losing revenue, or the have high churn and need to advertise to get new customers, raising costs.Most people seem to like getting a new phone every few years - whether they need done or not.
Contracts let them do that at a perceived lower cost; plus most companies let you renew at 18 months anyway so the two year lock is not really two years.
This lowers churn making the model very desirable for companies.Realistically, as much as I want a new iPhone GS; for me the killer app is TomTom.
As long as that works reasonably well on my existing 2G phone I really don't need an upgrade.
If not, I can always get a cheap GPS and carry it with me and wait until my contract allows me the lowest subsidized price.
By then the GS may well be old news as well.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28273235</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244551500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It tires me about those whiners complaining about "loyal customers having to pay the higher price for the new iPhones." You might have forgotten that Apple charges 499 and 599 for the two models. ATT actually subsidized your last purchase to the tune of $200 to $300 per phone so you could pay 199. or 299. last time. They fronted you the cash and in turn you committed to a contact for 18 month to 2 years. You in essence are paying them back and then giving them their profit. You really don't need the latest hardware, so wait until you can purchase for the cheaper price after you fullfill your commitment. ATT and Apple are not non-profits. This is the same with EVERY subsidized phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It tires me about those whiners complaining about " loyal customers having to pay the higher price for the new iPhones .
" You might have forgotten that Apple charges 499 and 599 for the two models .
ATT actually subsidized your last purchase to the tune of $ 200 to $ 300 per phone so you could pay 199. or 299. last time .
They fronted you the cash and in turn you committed to a contact for 18 month to 2 years .
You in essence are paying them back and then giving them their profit .
You really do n't need the latest hardware , so wait until you can purchase for the cheaper price after you fullfill your commitment .
ATT and Apple are not non-profits .
This is the same with EVERY subsidized phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It tires me about those whiners complaining about "loyal customers having to pay the higher price for the new iPhones.
" You might have forgotten that Apple charges 499 and 599 for the two models.
ATT actually subsidized your last purchase to the tune of $200 to $300 per phone so you could pay 199. or 299. last time.
They fronted you the cash and in turn you committed to a contact for 18 month to 2 years.
You in essence are paying them back and then giving them their profit.
You really don't need the latest hardware, so wait until you can purchase for the cheaper price after you fullfill your commitment.
ATT and Apple are not non-profits.
This is the same with EVERY subsidized phone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260075</id>
	<title>Re:Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1244473080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Yep. But I kind of feel bad for a guy at work that just got an iPhone. I told him to wait but he decided I didn't know what I was talking about so it cost him $100 or an extra 8GB of ram and some new features.<br>Oh well I told him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep .
But I kind of feel bad for a guy at work that just got an iPhone .
I told him to wait but he decided I did n't know what I was talking about so it cost him $ 100 or an extra 8GB of ram and some new features.Oh well I told him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep.
But I kind of feel bad for a guy at work that just got an iPhone.
I told him to wait but he decided I didn't know what I was talking about so it cost him $100 or an extra 8GB of ram and some new features.Oh well I told him.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28266341</id>
	<title>Re:Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>DannyO152</author>
	<datestamp>1244565180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe it's not the contract, per se, but this being the third leg of the AT&amp;T stool being pulled out from underneath yesterday. iPhone 3GS will have MMS, AT&amp;T will be joining that party sometime later this summer. iPhone 3GS will offering bluetooth/cable tethering! A graphic of committed partners hits the screen, sardonic laughter fills the hall as everyone notices AT&amp;T is missing and Scott Forstall moves on. New features / rectified deficiencies at a GREAT price. Well, now we know the rest of the story.</p><p>And it's not as though AT&amp;T has a stellar reputation for service. I have a Summer '07 iPhone which uses Edge. Last January for a week or so and last month for 19 days (!) no Edge. No explanation. No apology. No credit on my data charge.</p><p>I like my iPhone. The iPhone 3GS is better. In mid-July, my contract ends, so I gather I can get the best pricing. I have no reason to be really upset at this. Yet, I'm right at the edge of going with another phone. Even if people vote phone over carrier. Even if enough new people come into the tent that people like me won't be missed, I suspect AT&amp;T is setting themselves up for a massive migration when the five year exclusivity deal is up. Apple comes out with a tablet-y thing that includes telephony without AT&amp;T exclusivity and that kills the iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's not the contract , per se , but this being the third leg of the AT&amp;T stool being pulled out from underneath yesterday .
iPhone 3GS will have MMS , AT&amp;T will be joining that party sometime later this summer .
iPhone 3GS will offering bluetooth/cable tethering !
A graphic of committed partners hits the screen , sardonic laughter fills the hall as everyone notices AT&amp;T is missing and Scott Forstall moves on .
New features / rectified deficiencies at a GREAT price .
Well , now we know the rest of the story.And it 's not as though AT&amp;T has a stellar reputation for service .
I have a Summer '07 iPhone which uses Edge .
Last January for a week or so and last month for 19 days ( !
) no Edge .
No explanation .
No apology .
No credit on my data charge.I like my iPhone .
The iPhone 3GS is better .
In mid-July , my contract ends , so I gather I can get the best pricing .
I have no reason to be really upset at this .
Yet , I 'm right at the edge of going with another phone .
Even if people vote phone over carrier .
Even if enough new people come into the tent that people like me wo n't be missed , I suspect AT&amp;T is setting themselves up for a massive migration when the five year exclusivity deal is up .
Apple comes out with a tablet-y thing that includes telephony without AT&amp;T exclusivity and that kills the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's not the contract, per se, but this being the third leg of the AT&amp;T stool being pulled out from underneath yesterday.
iPhone 3GS will have MMS, AT&amp;T will be joining that party sometime later this summer.
iPhone 3GS will offering bluetooth/cable tethering!
A graphic of committed partners hits the screen, sardonic laughter fills the hall as everyone notices AT&amp;T is missing and Scott Forstall moves on.
New features / rectified deficiencies at a GREAT price.
Well, now we know the rest of the story.And it's not as though AT&amp;T has a stellar reputation for service.
I have a Summer '07 iPhone which uses Edge.
Last January for a week or so and last month for 19 days (!
) no Edge.
No explanation.
No apology.
No credit on my data charge.I like my iPhone.
The iPhone 3GS is better.
In mid-July, my contract ends, so I gather I can get the best pricing.
I have no reason to be really upset at this.
Yet, I'm right at the edge of going with another phone.
Even if people vote phone over carrier.
Even if enough new people come into the tent that people like me won't be missed, I suspect AT&amp;T is setting themselves up for a massive migration when the five year exclusivity deal is up.
Apple comes out with a tablet-y thing that includes telephony without AT&amp;T exclusivity and that kills the iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260497</id>
	<title>Re:This is nothing new.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244475180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could easily get a new one, just wait a week for the old one to break down and bring it in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could easily get a new one , just wait a week for the old one to break down and bring it in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could easily get a new one, just wait a week for the old one to break down and bring it in.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259591</id>
	<title>Slap in the face, perhaps not.</title>
	<author>MrPerfekt</author>
	<datestamp>1244470020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not thrilled about not have a subsidy but I see the rationale. They don't want people dumping their suddenly displaced iP3G on eBay for $200, since people would lap that up without a contract because the current 3G phone is "good enough" for most people.</p><p>However, this move will hurt number of units moved, which in the end, I think Apple cares about more than the kickbacks they're getting from AT&amp;T for contracts. This is probably just more AT&amp;T dickery. There has been plenty of that today with the MMS and Tethering issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not thrilled about not have a subsidy but I see the rationale .
They do n't want people dumping their suddenly displaced iP3G on eBay for $ 200 , since people would lap that up without a contract because the current 3G phone is " good enough " for most people.However , this move will hurt number of units moved , which in the end , I think Apple cares about more than the kickbacks they 're getting from AT&amp;T for contracts .
This is probably just more AT&amp;T dickery .
There has been plenty of that today with the MMS and Tethering issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not thrilled about not have a subsidy but I see the rationale.
They don't want people dumping their suddenly displaced iP3G on eBay for $200, since people would lap that up without a contract because the current 3G phone is "good enough" for most people.However, this move will hurt number of units moved, which in the end, I think Apple cares about more than the kickbacks they're getting from AT&amp;T for contracts.
This is probably just more AT&amp;T dickery.
There has been plenty of that today with the MMS and Tethering issues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28273335</id>
	<title>what did ya all think was gonna happen?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244552340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you combined Steve Jobs - the man who denied Lisa was his daughter *AND* screwed The Woz outta money he was due + AT&amp;T who's crimes VS the citizens resulted in the break up via the Government - what did ya think was gonna happen?</p><p>Unicorns shooting rainbows out their butts?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you combined Steve Jobs - the man who denied Lisa was his daughter * AND * screwed The Woz outta money he was due + AT&amp;T who 's crimes VS the citizens resulted in the break up via the Government - what did ya think was gon na happen ? Unicorns shooting rainbows out their butts ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you combined Steve Jobs - the man who denied Lisa was his daughter *AND* screwed The Woz outta money he was due + AT&amp;T who's crimes VS the citizens resulted in the break up via the Government - what did ya think was gonna happen?Unicorns shooting rainbows out their butts?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259253</id>
	<title>Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>oodaloop</author>
	<datestamp>1244468160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>AT&amp;T and Apple are trying to get new customers by lowering the initial cost and subsidizing the remainder on a 2 yr plan.  If you already have an iPhone, you don't qualify, plain and simple.  Why is this a slap in the face?  When did we as a society get our collective sense of entitlement?</htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T and Apple are trying to get new customers by lowering the initial cost and subsidizing the remainder on a 2 yr plan .
If you already have an iPhone , you do n't qualify , plain and simple .
Why is this a slap in the face ?
When did we as a society get our collective sense of entitlement ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T and Apple are trying to get new customers by lowering the initial cost and subsidizing the remainder on a 2 yr plan.
If you already have an iPhone, you don't qualify, plain and simple.
Why is this a slap in the face?
When did we as a society get our collective sense of entitlement?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28276425</id>
	<title>Go to Apple and complain</title>
	<author>DrStoooopid</author>
	<datestamp>1244666100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look at it this way. If the service provider is being unfair to the customer, then go to the partner. Apple is embedded with ATT, so if ATT won't give people what they want, then Apple who is in essence represented by ATT, would naturally be the one to complain to. After all, if ATT makes Apple look bad, then Apple won't want to partner with them exclusively...perhaps breaking ties, or or opening up the iPhone to other carriers. Without ATT customers, then there are no iPhone customers, and if you make it clear that you won't be buying any more services from ATT if they don't change their policies, this will hurt iPhone's sales..and Apple doesn't want that.</p><p>I hear Androids and Pre's aren't bad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at it this way .
If the service provider is being unfair to the customer , then go to the partner .
Apple is embedded with ATT , so if ATT wo n't give people what they want , then Apple who is in essence represented by ATT , would naturally be the one to complain to .
After all , if ATT makes Apple look bad , then Apple wo n't want to partner with them exclusively...perhaps breaking ties , or or opening up the iPhone to other carriers .
Without ATT customers , then there are no iPhone customers , and if you make it clear that you wo n't be buying any more services from ATT if they do n't change their policies , this will hurt iPhone 's sales..and Apple does n't want that.I hear Androids and Pre 's are n't bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at it this way.
If the service provider is being unfair to the customer, then go to the partner.
Apple is embedded with ATT, so if ATT won't give people what they want, then Apple who is in essence represented by ATT, would naturally be the one to complain to.
After all, if ATT makes Apple look bad, then Apple won't want to partner with them exclusively...perhaps breaking ties, or or opening up the iPhone to other carriers.
Without ATT customers, then there are no iPhone customers, and if you make it clear that you won't be buying any more services from ATT if they don't change their policies, this will hurt iPhone's sales..and Apple doesn't want that.I hear Androids and Pre's aren't bad.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260561</id>
	<title>Re:It's going to be said a thousand times</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244475420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're missing the point.  What if your neighbor got the latest MBP for 50\% off simply because he was a first-time Apple customer.  And you, who already owns a MBP, would have to pay full price because you already have one MBP?  I don't think you'd be very happy about that.  Current AT&amp;T customers who want to upgrade have to sign a new 2-year contract, the same as new customers.  What's the difference between the current customers and new ones?  Nothing.  Both want to buy a new phone and both are willing to sign a 2-year contract to do it.  But for some reason the person who has already been giving money to AT&amp;T is being forced to pay more for the same product and service that the new customer will receive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're missing the point .
What if your neighbor got the latest MBP for 50 \ % off simply because he was a first-time Apple customer .
And you , who already owns a MBP , would have to pay full price because you already have one MBP ?
I do n't think you 'd be very happy about that .
Current AT&amp;T customers who want to upgrade have to sign a new 2-year contract , the same as new customers .
What 's the difference between the current customers and new ones ?
Nothing. Both want to buy a new phone and both are willing to sign a 2-year contract to do it .
But for some reason the person who has already been giving money to AT&amp;T is being forced to pay more for the same product and service that the new customer will receive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're missing the point.
What if your neighbor got the latest MBP for 50\% off simply because he was a first-time Apple customer.
And you, who already owns a MBP, would have to pay full price because you already have one MBP?
I don't think you'd be very happy about that.
Current AT&amp;T customers who want to upgrade have to sign a new 2-year contract, the same as new customers.
What's the difference between the current customers and new ones?
Nothing.  Both want to buy a new phone and both are willing to sign a 2-year contract to do it.
But for some reason the person who has already been giving money to AT&amp;T is being forced to pay more for the same product and service that the new customer will receive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261219</id>
	<title>Re:Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244479500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have *any* phone, and have been under contract at *any* point in the past two years then you do not qualify.</p><p>For people under contract, I wonder what you're smoking.  For people no longer under contract, I wonder what AT&amp;T is smoking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have * any * phone , and have been under contract at * any * point in the past two years then you do not qualify.For people under contract , I wonder what you 're smoking .
For people no longer under contract , I wonder what AT&amp;T is smoking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have *any* phone, and have been under contract at *any* point in the past two years then you do not qualify.For people under contract, I wonder what you're smoking.
For people no longer under contract, I wonder what AT&amp;T is smoking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261429</id>
	<title>G1 (G2) beats iPhone anyway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you switched from T-Mobile to AT&amp;T for the iPhone, you probably deserve to get "screwed." T-Mobile has the G1 and upcoming G2, which is a much better choice than the iPhone. It's easier to develop for, easier to make your app available and (imho) is a much better device to begin with. I'm a Mac user and loathe the times when using Windows is necessary, but that doesn't mean I'm part of the Apple CULTure. I don't need an iPhone, because it's not the best device available. And if I had an iPhone, I wouldn't be stressed out about getting the newest version anyway. What's the point?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you switched from T-Mobile to AT&amp;T for the iPhone , you probably deserve to get " screwed .
" T-Mobile has the G1 and upcoming G2 , which is a much better choice than the iPhone .
It 's easier to develop for , easier to make your app available and ( imho ) is a much better device to begin with .
I 'm a Mac user and loathe the times when using Windows is necessary , but that does n't mean I 'm part of the Apple CULTure .
I do n't need an iPhone , because it 's not the best device available .
And if I had an iPhone , I would n't be stressed out about getting the newest version anyway .
What 's the point ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you switched from T-Mobile to AT&amp;T for the iPhone, you probably deserve to get "screwed.
" T-Mobile has the G1 and upcoming G2, which is a much better choice than the iPhone.
It's easier to develop for, easier to make your app available and (imho) is a much better device to begin with.
I'm a Mac user and loathe the times when using Windows is necessary, but that doesn't mean I'm part of the Apple CULTure.
I don't need an iPhone, because it's not the best device available.
And if I had an iPhone, I wouldn't be stressed out about getting the newest version anyway.
What's the point?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259625</id>
	<title>Business as usual</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244470320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tell me how is this different from another other carrier? When you are "locked" into your contract you can't do much about getting a new phone sort of paying an outright price. AT&amp;T and Apple are not the only ones who do this, every carrier does. Get use to it people. If you want to upgrade your phone sooner, choose a sorter contract length, plain and simple. Of course everyone wants the latest and greatest. Quit being greedy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell me how is this different from another other carrier ?
When you are " locked " into your contract you ca n't do much about getting a new phone sort of paying an outright price .
AT&amp;T and Apple are not the only ones who do this , every carrier does .
Get use to it people .
If you want to upgrade your phone sooner , choose a sorter contract length , plain and simple .
Of course everyone wants the latest and greatest .
Quit being greedy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell me how is this different from another other carrier?
When you are "locked" into your contract you can't do much about getting a new phone sort of paying an outright price.
AT&amp;T and Apple are not the only ones who do this, every carrier does.
Get use to it people.
If you want to upgrade your phone sooner, choose a sorter contract length, plain and simple.
Of course everyone wants the latest and greatest.
Quit being greedy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261229</id>
	<title>Switched to Verizon</title>
	<author>yyyimmortal</author>
	<datestamp>1244479560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>AT&amp;T's policies have been going downhill in recent years.

I was with AT&amp;T since 1997 and decided to change over to Verizon last year
when AT&amp;T was jerking me around with subscription pricing.
Very happy with Verizon now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T 's policies have been going downhill in recent years .
I was with AT&amp;T since 1997 and decided to change over to Verizon last year when AT&amp;T was jerking me around with subscription pricing .
Very happy with Verizon now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T's policies have been going downhill in recent years.
I was with AT&amp;T since 1997 and decided to change over to Verizon last year
when AT&amp;T was jerking me around with subscription pricing.
Very happy with Verizon now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261125</id>
	<title>Predictable...</title>
	<author>rworne</author>
	<datestamp>1244478720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Classic:</p><p>AT&amp;T just deleted the thread as I was reading it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Classic : AT&amp;T just deleted the thread as I was reading it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Classic:AT&amp;T just deleted the thread as I was reading it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261111</id>
	<title>I hate to say I told you so...</title>
	<author>DarkProphet</author>
	<datestamp>1244478660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Eh. Though the iPhone seemed pretty damn cool when it came out, I said 'no' and stayed with my current phone and provider because, well, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I didn't want to leave the provider I have been with for 8 years that has provided reliable (and relatively bullshit free) service throughout. I especially didn't want to switch to AT&amp;T. It sucks, but I don't really feel bad about those who feel bent over. You took that risk in the first place and now have to pay the piper. I'd like to have an iPhone, but I will wait until Apple ends its exclusivity contract with AT&amp;T and multiple providers support the iPhone. Until then, my phone will remain, <i>just</i> a phone. Until then, laissez faire!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Eh .
Though the iPhone seemed pretty damn cool when it came out , I said 'no ' and stayed with my current phone and provider because , well , if it ai n't broke , do n't fix it .
I did n't want to leave the provider I have been with for 8 years that has provided reliable ( and relatively bullshit free ) service throughout .
I especially did n't want to switch to AT&amp;T .
It sucks , but I do n't really feel bad about those who feel bent over .
You took that risk in the first place and now have to pay the piper .
I 'd like to have an iPhone , but I will wait until Apple ends its exclusivity contract with AT&amp;T and multiple providers support the iPhone .
Until then , my phone will remain , just a phone .
Until then , laissez faire !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eh.
Though the iPhone seemed pretty damn cool when it came out, I said 'no' and stayed with my current phone and provider because, well, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I didn't want to leave the provider I have been with for 8 years that has provided reliable (and relatively bullshit free) service throughout.
I especially didn't want to switch to AT&amp;T.
It sucks, but I don't really feel bad about those who feel bent over.
You took that risk in the first place and now have to pay the piper.
I'd like to have an iPhone, but I will wait until Apple ends its exclusivity contract with AT&amp;T and multiple providers support the iPhone.
Until then, my phone will remain, just a phone.
Until then, laissez faire!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260671</id>
	<title>Re:Customers?</title>
	<author>mybecq</author>
	<datestamp>1244476020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The shareholders are the customers</p></div></blockquote><p>Wrong.</p><p>Customer: a person who purchases goods or services from another; buyer; patron.</p><p>Investor: one who puts into an enterprise with the expectation of profit.</p><p>Since shareholders do not purchase product (subscribers), they are investors, not customers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The shareholders are the customersWrong.Customer : a person who purchases goods or services from another ; buyer ; patron.Investor : one who puts into an enterprise with the expectation of profit.Since shareholders do not purchase product ( subscribers ) , they are investors , not customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The shareholders are the customersWrong.Customer: a person who purchases goods or services from another; buyer; patron.Investor: one who puts into an enterprise with the expectation of profit.Since shareholders do not purchase product (subscribers), they are investors, not customers.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259593</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259181</id>
	<title>anonymous coward angry over first post</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244467800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>drink my frosty piss, fag!</htmltext>
<tokenext>drink my frosty piss , fag !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>drink my frosty piss, fag!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259371</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>snowraver1</author>
	<datestamp>1244468880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pathetic? definitely.  On Slashdot?  Unfortunately.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pathetic ?
definitely. On Slashdot ?
Unfortunately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pathetic?
definitely.  On Slashdot?
Unfortunately.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259229</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28265001</id>
	<title>Re:Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244559420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When our telecoms made deals with our Gov. to spy on us and our tax money went to propping up failed business models.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When our telecoms made deals with our Gov .
to spy on us and our tax money went to propping up failed business models .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When our telecoms made deals with our Gov.
to spy on us and our tax money went to propping up failed business models.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261891</id>
	<title>Re:Half subsidy</title>
	<author>Adair</author>
	<datestamp>1244486100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was pretty mad about this at first, but after reading a lot of the comments here I have changed my thinking.<br> <br>

What really irritated me was after getting the announcement email from Apple, excitedly reading it, and seeing the pricetag for a 32GB model at $299, I was all set to buy it thinking, man that's a pretty good deal. So I click the link, enter my current AT&amp;T plan data and wait for the page to load. Then it tells me the best I qualify for is $499 for the 32GB model. I just sat there, shocked. The text told me the soonest I would qualify for the $299 price would be January, 2010. It's not that I don't think the new iPhone 32GB model isn't worth $500... it's that the $299 pricetag was flashed around in my face several times before I got into the shopping cart. Then I felt like I was hit with a big FU stick. I was pissed. If they'd said $499 from the beginning there would have been no shock when I logged in.<br> <br>

Having said all that, I've now read a lot of the comments here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. and it's given me some time to think. Yeah, $499 is not absurd for the product they're offering. I can only imagine the cost of R&amp;D for some of this stuff. I, too, was one who paid full, hefty price for the original iPhone, then upgraded to the 3G within two months of it coming out and at a fairly decent purchase price. Part of me thinks that if I'm RE-signing a new 2-year contract with AT&amp;T then why shouldn't I get the special $299 super-noob rate. The other part of me knows that it's because AT&amp;T already knows they have me on contract and they have more to gain by getting new subscribers than they have to worry about losing existing ones. I'm a capitalist so I can understand that.<br> <br>

A lot of people have made sense here so I thank the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. posters for grounding my wild anger at the $200 difference between "advertised" price and real price. I just wish they had been more honest up front about $299 being only for new subscribers. You see $299, then go to check out and see $499... obvious reaction is WTF? But I love my iPhone and I really like Apple and AT&amp;T has been pretty decent in my experience and I really don't want the government to have to bail out / take over either of them, so I'm sinking the $499!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was pretty mad about this at first , but after reading a lot of the comments here I have changed my thinking .
What really irritated me was after getting the announcement email from Apple , excitedly reading it , and seeing the pricetag for a 32GB model at $ 299 , I was all set to buy it thinking , man that 's a pretty good deal .
So I click the link , enter my current AT&amp;T plan data and wait for the page to load .
Then it tells me the best I qualify for is $ 499 for the 32GB model .
I just sat there , shocked .
The text told me the soonest I would qualify for the $ 299 price would be January , 2010 .
It 's not that I do n't think the new iPhone 32GB model is n't worth $ 500... it 's that the $ 299 pricetag was flashed around in my face several times before I got into the shopping cart .
Then I felt like I was hit with a big FU stick .
I was pissed .
If they 'd said $ 499 from the beginning there would have been no shock when I logged in .
Having said all that , I 've now read a lot of the comments here on / .
and it 's given me some time to think .
Yeah , $ 499 is not absurd for the product they 're offering .
I can only imagine the cost of R&amp;D for some of this stuff .
I , too , was one who paid full , hefty price for the original iPhone , then upgraded to the 3G within two months of it coming out and at a fairly decent purchase price .
Part of me thinks that if I 'm RE-signing a new 2-year contract with AT&amp;T then why should n't I get the special $ 299 super-noob rate .
The other part of me knows that it 's because AT&amp;T already knows they have me on contract and they have more to gain by getting new subscribers than they have to worry about losing existing ones .
I 'm a capitalist so I can understand that .
A lot of people have made sense here so I thank the / .
posters for grounding my wild anger at the $ 200 difference between " advertised " price and real price .
I just wish they had been more honest up front about $ 299 being only for new subscribers .
You see $ 299 , then go to check out and see $ 499... obvious reaction is WTF ?
But I love my iPhone and I really like Apple and AT&amp;T has been pretty decent in my experience and I really do n't want the government to have to bail out / take over either of them , so I 'm sinking the $ 499 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was pretty mad about this at first, but after reading a lot of the comments here I have changed my thinking.
What really irritated me was after getting the announcement email from Apple, excitedly reading it, and seeing the pricetag for a 32GB model at $299, I was all set to buy it thinking, man that's a pretty good deal.
So I click the link, enter my current AT&amp;T plan data and wait for the page to load.
Then it tells me the best I qualify for is $499 for the 32GB model.
I just sat there, shocked.
The text told me the soonest I would qualify for the $299 price would be January, 2010.
It's not that I don't think the new iPhone 32GB model isn't worth $500... it's that the $299 pricetag was flashed around in my face several times before I got into the shopping cart.
Then I felt like I was hit with a big FU stick.
I was pissed.
If they'd said $499 from the beginning there would have been no shock when I logged in.
Having said all that, I've now read a lot of the comments here on /.
and it's given me some time to think.
Yeah, $499 is not absurd for the product they're offering.
I can only imagine the cost of R&amp;D for some of this stuff.
I, too, was one who paid full, hefty price for the original iPhone, then upgraded to the 3G within two months of it coming out and at a fairly decent purchase price.
Part of me thinks that if I'm RE-signing a new 2-year contract with AT&amp;T then why shouldn't I get the special $299 super-noob rate.
The other part of me knows that it's because AT&amp;T already knows they have me on contract and they have more to gain by getting new subscribers than they have to worry about losing existing ones.
I'm a capitalist so I can understand that.
A lot of people have made sense here so I thank the /.
posters for grounding my wild anger at the $200 difference between "advertised" price and real price.
I just wish they had been more honest up front about $299 being only for new subscribers.
You see $299, then go to check out and see $499... obvious reaction is WTF?
But I love my iPhone and I really like Apple and AT&amp;T has been pretty decent in my experience and I really don't want the government to have to bail out / take over either of them, so I'm sinking the $499!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28268331</id>
	<title>ATT Will lose this case</title>
	<author>DVSD91</author>
	<datestamp>1244572320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When the 3G came out, they let all iPhone 1.0 users to upgrade and resign a new 2 year.  This will be fixed by the time it comes out.

Do you beleive ATT and Apple want A) bad press  B) not sell a product??

That is bad business!  You just renew for another 2 more years, no big deal.  If your like me I will still own a phone after 2 years, so signing up is no issue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When the 3G came out , they let all iPhone 1.0 users to upgrade and resign a new 2 year .
This will be fixed by the time it comes out .
Do you beleive ATT and Apple want A ) bad press B ) not sell a product ? ?
That is bad business !
You just renew for another 2 more years , no big deal .
If your like me I will still own a phone after 2 years , so signing up is no issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the 3G came out, they let all iPhone 1.0 users to upgrade and resign a new 2 year.
This will be fixed by the time it comes out.
Do you beleive ATT and Apple want A) bad press  B) not sell a product??
That is bad business!
You just renew for another 2 more years, no big deal.
If your like me I will still own a phone after 2 years, so signing up is no issue.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259297</id>
	<title>Unsubsidized?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'If you want to upgrade early then you will have to pay full price with no subsidy discount. You can't blame anyone but yourself for your predicament.'</p><p>Yeah, that would make sense if paying the 'unsubsidized' $400 didn't extend the contract by 2 years.  I have an iPhone 3G with a broken screen, but I'm not paying $400 and giving AT&amp;T my nutsack as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'If you want to upgrade early then you will have to pay full price with no subsidy discount .
You ca n't blame anyone but yourself for your predicament .
'Yeah , that would make sense if paying the 'unsubsidized ' $ 400 did n't extend the contract by 2 years .
I have an iPhone 3G with a broken screen , but I 'm not paying $ 400 and giving AT&amp;T my nutsack as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'If you want to upgrade early then you will have to pay full price with no subsidy discount.
You can't blame anyone but yourself for your predicament.
'Yeah, that would make sense if paying the 'unsubsidized' $400 didn't extend the contract by 2 years.
I have an iPhone 3G with a broken screen, but I'm not paying $400 and giving AT&amp;T my nutsack as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259407</id>
	<title>That's Terrible</title>
	<author>Thyamine</author>
	<datestamp>1244469060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have wanted an iPhone since they came out, but I have a corporate plan so I'm not eligible, ever, for an upgrade the way our company handles it.  I have to buy one outright to get it too, so stop whining.  One of these days I may actually buy one as a gift to myself, but until then I'm in the same boat.  Just be glad you have one and not some generic blackberry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have wanted an iPhone since they came out , but I have a corporate plan so I 'm not eligible , ever , for an upgrade the way our company handles it .
I have to buy one outright to get it too , so stop whining .
One of these days I may actually buy one as a gift to myself , but until then I 'm in the same boat .
Just be glad you have one and not some generic blackberry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have wanted an iPhone since they came out, but I have a corporate plan so I'm not eligible, ever, for an upgrade the way our company handles it.
I have to buy one outright to get it too, so stop whining.
One of these days I may actually buy one as a gift to myself, but until then I'm in the same boat.
Just be glad you have one and not some generic blackberry.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262523</id>
	<title>What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Pitr</author>
	<datestamp>1244579820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The new firmware/OS/whatever is neat, and available to all iPhones.  The new hardware is barely incremental.  Yeah there's a higher capacity model(hey, how about a memory slot?  Anyone?), slightly better battery life (How about a user replaceable battery so you can carry a spare?  You know, like every other cell phone ever invented?), and the compass is kinda neat (do the boy scouts have an iPhone survival badge?) but it's just not that big a deal.  Even the fact that it's got a faster CPU doesn't matter that much.  It's not like there's any apps that will only run on the newer phone (they've basically stated as much).</p><p>If they fixed the hardware limitations (which they're unlikely to do as that would eat into their ridiculous profits on memory, and it's just too dangerous to change your battery while driving a Volkswagen drinking a latte... ok, I'm a little biased, but that doesn't make me wrong! Why can't I change the battery myself?!? Like... without a soldering iron!) then I'd see upgrading to the iPhone 3.1, but not the iPhone 3.0001.</p><p>I guess asking for simple, basic features is out of the question, after all, we're talking about a company that took 20 years to give in and add a second button to their mice.</p><p>(This post is kinda all over the place.  Sorry, it's really late, hopefully there's some sense in there somewhere...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The new firmware/OS/whatever is neat , and available to all iPhones .
The new hardware is barely incremental .
Yeah there 's a higher capacity model ( hey , how about a memory slot ?
Anyone ? ) , slightly better battery life ( How about a user replaceable battery so you can carry a spare ?
You know , like every other cell phone ever invented ?
) , and the compass is kinda neat ( do the boy scouts have an iPhone survival badge ?
) but it 's just not that big a deal .
Even the fact that it 's got a faster CPU does n't matter that much .
It 's not like there 's any apps that will only run on the newer phone ( they 've basically stated as much ) .If they fixed the hardware limitations ( which they 're unlikely to do as that would eat into their ridiculous profits on memory , and it 's just too dangerous to change your battery while driving a Volkswagen drinking a latte... ok , I 'm a little biased , but that does n't make me wrong !
Why ca n't I change the battery myself ? ! ?
Like... without a soldering iron !
) then I 'd see upgrading to the iPhone 3.1 , but not the iPhone 3.0001.I guess asking for simple , basic features is out of the question , after all , we 're talking about a company that took 20 years to give in and add a second button to their mice .
( This post is kinda all over the place .
Sorry , it 's really late , hopefully there 's some sense in there somewhere... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The new firmware/OS/whatever is neat, and available to all iPhones.
The new hardware is barely incremental.
Yeah there's a higher capacity model(hey, how about a memory slot?
Anyone?), slightly better battery life (How about a user replaceable battery so you can carry a spare?
You know, like every other cell phone ever invented?
), and the compass is kinda neat (do the boy scouts have an iPhone survival badge?
) but it's just not that big a deal.
Even the fact that it's got a faster CPU doesn't matter that much.
It's not like there's any apps that will only run on the newer phone (they've basically stated as much).If they fixed the hardware limitations (which they're unlikely to do as that would eat into their ridiculous profits on memory, and it's just too dangerous to change your battery while driving a Volkswagen drinking a latte... ok, I'm a little biased, but that doesn't make me wrong!
Why can't I change the battery myself?!?
Like... without a soldering iron!
) then I'd see upgrading to the iPhone 3.1, but not the iPhone 3.0001.I guess asking for simple, basic features is out of the question, after all, we're talking about a company that took 20 years to give in and add a second button to their mice.
(This post is kinda all over the place.
Sorry, it's really late, hopefully there's some sense in there somewhere...)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259229</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'We have to mount a vigorous campaign to change this policy.'</p><p>A vigorous campaign? Really? I'm sorry, but in this context, the author simply sounds pathetic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'We have to mount a vigorous campaign to change this policy .
'A vigorous campaign ?
Really ? I 'm sorry , but in this context , the author simply sounds pathetic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'We have to mount a vigorous campaign to change this policy.
'A vigorous campaign?
Really? I'm sorry, but in this context, the author simply sounds pathetic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259381</id>
	<title>Holy Shit</title>
	<author>yerktoader</author>
	<datestamp>1244468940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The general consensus here on Slashdot so far: <br> <br>
1)"tsfroggy"(RTA) agreed to his/her terms in a contract and has to deal with the pricing like everyone else.
<br> <br>
2)A past discount is not an obligation for a future discount.
<br> <br>
3)"tsfroggy" is a whiner.
<br> <br>
4)AT&amp;T is clearly in the right on this, even if the pricing is too high.
<br> <br>
I must say, Congrats gentlemen.  I'll be interested in seeing how long this lasts in this particular thread.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The general consensus here on Slashdot so far : 1 ) " tsfroggy " ( RTA ) agreed to his/her terms in a contract and has to deal with the pricing like everyone else .
2 ) A past discount is not an obligation for a future discount .
3 ) " tsfroggy " is a whiner .
4 ) AT&amp;T is clearly in the right on this , even if the pricing is too high .
I must say , Congrats gentlemen .
I 'll be interested in seeing how long this lasts in this particular thread .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The general consensus here on Slashdot so far:  
1)"tsfroggy"(RTA) agreed to his/her terms in a contract and has to deal with the pricing like everyone else.
2)A past discount is not an obligation for a future discount.
3)"tsfroggy" is a whiner.
4)AT&amp;T is clearly in the right on this, even if the pricing is too high.
I must say, Congrats gentlemen.
I'll be interested in seeing how long this lasts in this particular thread.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261779</id>
	<title>Not that new of a concept</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244485080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not a NEW phenomenon nor is it singular to ATT. Go look for any new phone and you will always see 2 or more prices for the phone. I sell ATT and Sprint phones at RadioShack. People constantly complain that ANY PHONE they want to upgrade too has a higher price to them then it would to a new customer. There are also different tier prices for people with and without unlimited messaging on their phones.<br>The only reason they offered the discount for people upgrading to the 3G was because the people who had purchased the original iPhone on release paid full price for the phone so the subsidy was transferred to the new 3G they got with a new 2 year contract that is not up yet for most people after 18 months of service most people will be eligible for the full discounted price. For those that got their 3G last summer that would mean about Christmas. That is not as far away as it seems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not a NEW phenomenon nor is it singular to ATT .
Go look for any new phone and you will always see 2 or more prices for the phone .
I sell ATT and Sprint phones at RadioShack .
People constantly complain that ANY PHONE they want to upgrade too has a higher price to them then it would to a new customer .
There are also different tier prices for people with and without unlimited messaging on their phones.The only reason they offered the discount for people upgrading to the 3G was because the people who had purchased the original iPhone on release paid full price for the phone so the subsidy was transferred to the new 3G they got with a new 2 year contract that is not up yet for most people after 18 months of service most people will be eligible for the full discounted price .
For those that got their 3G last summer that would mean about Christmas .
That is not as far away as it seems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not a NEW phenomenon nor is it singular to ATT.
Go look for any new phone and you will always see 2 or more prices for the phone.
I sell ATT and Sprint phones at RadioShack.
People constantly complain that ANY PHONE they want to upgrade too has a higher price to them then it would to a new customer.
There are also different tier prices for people with and without unlimited messaging on their phones.The only reason they offered the discount for people upgrading to the 3G was because the people who had purchased the original iPhone on release paid full price for the phone so the subsidy was transferred to the new 3G they got with a new 2 year contract that is not up yet for most people after 18 months of service most people will be eligible for the full discounted price.
For those that got their 3G last summer that would mean about Christmas.
That is not as far away as it seems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28285325</id>
	<title>I was offered the lower prices with an $18 fee</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244628600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have an original (Edge, not 3G) iPhone, which I purchased in late January 2008. Previously I had been with Verizon.

I logged in to my AT&amp;T account today, clicked "Check Upgrade Options", and got this message:
<br> <br>

<tt>iPhone Upgrade<br>
As a valued AT&amp;T customer, we can offer you an iPhone upgrade with a new 2-year commitment and an $18 upgrade fee. </tt>
<br> <br>
I was then offered the advertised prices (199, 2999, 99).<br> <br>

Keep in mind I haven't even finish 18 months of my original 2 year contract, yet I'm apparently considered "near the end" of it. I don't think they're screwing everyone quite so badly as you all think...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an original ( Edge , not 3G ) iPhone , which I purchased in late January 2008 .
Previously I had been with Verizon .
I logged in to my AT&amp;T account today , clicked " Check Upgrade Options " , and got this message : iPhone Upgrade As a valued AT&amp;T customer , we can offer you an iPhone upgrade with a new 2-year commitment and an $ 18 upgrade fee .
I was then offered the advertised prices ( 199 , 2999 , 99 ) .
Keep in mind I have n't even finish 18 months of my original 2 year contract , yet I 'm apparently considered " near the end " of it .
I do n't think they 're screwing everyone quite so badly as you all think.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an original (Edge, not 3G) iPhone, which I purchased in late January 2008.
Previously I had been with Verizon.
I logged in to my AT&amp;T account today, clicked "Check Upgrade Options", and got this message:
 

iPhone Upgrade
As a valued AT&amp;T customer, we can offer you an iPhone upgrade with a new 2-year commitment and an $18 upgrade fee.
I was then offered the advertised prices (199, 2999, 99).
Keep in mind I haven't even finish 18 months of my original 2 year contract, yet I'm apparently considered "near the end" of it.
I don't think they're screwing everyone quite so badly as you all think...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259961</id>
	<title>Easy peasy</title>
	<author>krotscheck</author>
	<datestamp>1244472420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'We have to mount a vigorous campaign to change this policy.'</p><p>There's an App for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'We have to mount a vigorous campaign to change this policy .
'There 's an App for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'We have to mount a vigorous campaign to change this policy.
'There's an App for that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260281</id>
	<title>HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244474160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HAHA! Grow up, you got an expencive phone for cheap in the first place, the new one wont be<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/that/ much better! suck it up and get a cool new phone next year</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HAHA !
Grow up , you got an expencive phone for cheap in the first place , the new one wont be /that/ much better !
suck it up and get a cool new phone next year</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HAHA!
Grow up, you got an expencive phone for cheap in the first place, the new one wont be /that/ much better!
suck it up and get a cool new phone next year</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260569</id>
	<title>This is annoying as a developer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244475480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I understand the policy with the public. But as an iPhone developer, being forced to shell out extra money to have the new hardware is frustrating. With the public it's a choice. With developers some of us have to test on the new hardware.

I wish there were a middle ground.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand the policy with the public .
But as an iPhone developer , being forced to shell out extra money to have the new hardware is frustrating .
With the public it 's a choice .
With developers some of us have to test on the new hardware .
I wish there were a middle ground .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand the policy with the public.
But as an iPhone developer, being forced to shell out extra money to have the new hardware is frustrating.
With the public it's a choice.
With developers some of us have to test on the new hardware.
I wish there were a middle ground.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28267801</id>
	<title>Re:Holy Shit</title>
	<author>amicusNYCL</author>
	<datestamp>1244570280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think many people are defending ATT, the real point is that the complainers don't have a right to complain because they knew or should have known that this was going to happen anyway.  They can't have seriously expected going into the deal that they were going to get a discount on the next iPhone that came out, I don't know why anyone would assume something like that (especially when it's not in the contract, which they also probably never bothered to read).</p><p>ATT are still a bunch of a-holes, it's just that the people who willingly signed a contract with ATT and now are being held to the terms of the contract don't have any reason to complain about their contract.  If they didn't agree to the terms, they shouldn't have signed it.  Incidentally, that's why I never signed an ATT contract, and that's also why you don't hear me complaining about this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think many people are defending ATT , the real point is that the complainers do n't have a right to complain because they knew or should have known that this was going to happen anyway .
They ca n't have seriously expected going into the deal that they were going to get a discount on the next iPhone that came out , I do n't know why anyone would assume something like that ( especially when it 's not in the contract , which they also probably never bothered to read ) .ATT are still a bunch of a-holes , it 's just that the people who willingly signed a contract with ATT and now are being held to the terms of the contract do n't have any reason to complain about their contract .
If they did n't agree to the terms , they should n't have signed it .
Incidentally , that 's why I never signed an ATT contract , and that 's also why you do n't hear me complaining about this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think many people are defending ATT, the real point is that the complainers don't have a right to complain because they knew or should have known that this was going to happen anyway.
They can't have seriously expected going into the deal that they were going to get a discount on the next iPhone that came out, I don't know why anyone would assume something like that (especially when it's not in the contract, which they also probably never bothered to read).ATT are still a bunch of a-holes, it's just that the people who willingly signed a contract with ATT and now are being held to the terms of the contract don't have any reason to complain about their contract.
If they didn't agree to the terms, they shouldn't have signed it.
Incidentally, that's why I never signed an ATT contract, and that's also why you don't hear me complaining about this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259381</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262569</id>
	<title>Re:Confused Definition</title>
	<author>zieroh</author>
	<datestamp>1244580360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Keep in mind that the first iPhone wasn't subsidized by contract terms. Existing AT&amp;T customers who bought iPhones on day 1 (I was one of them) paid full price, and were not obligated to sign any contract. Instead, I merely used my existing account and continued to pay the (slightly higher) monthly bill.</p><p>I've actually been eligible for an upgrade for somewhere around two years now, and today it paid off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Keep in mind that the first iPhone was n't subsidized by contract terms .
Existing AT&amp;T customers who bought iPhones on day 1 ( I was one of them ) paid full price , and were not obligated to sign any contract .
Instead , I merely used my existing account and continued to pay the ( slightly higher ) monthly bill.I 've actually been eligible for an upgrade for somewhere around two years now , and today it paid off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keep in mind that the first iPhone wasn't subsidized by contract terms.
Existing AT&amp;T customers who bought iPhones on day 1 (I was one of them) paid full price, and were not obligated to sign any contract.
Instead, I merely used my existing account and continued to pay the (slightly higher) monthly bill.I've actually been eligible for an upgrade for somewhere around two years now, and today it paid off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260115</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259985</id>
	<title>Re:iPhone Users?</title>
	<author>adamchou</author>
	<datestamp>1244472660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Looks like only one user was upset in that forum.</p></div><p>overly exaggerated summary? smells like kdawson...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like only one user was upset in that forum.overly exaggerated summary ?
smells like kdawson.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like only one user was upset in that forum.overly exaggerated summary?
smells like kdawson...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259213</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259503</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244469540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah if you are paying $95 bucks a month then you really need all those extra minutes!  That's $35/month more than I pay for my iPhone BTW</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah if you are paying $ 95 bucks a month then you really need all those extra minutes !
That 's $ 35/month more than I pay for my iPhone BTW</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah if you are paying $95 bucks a month then you really need all those extra minutes!
That's $35/month more than I pay for my iPhone BTW</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262741</id>
	<title>You agreed to a loan with payments</title>
	<author>johncandale</author>
	<datestamp>1244539200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When you buy a discounted phone and sign a 2 year contract, say it again,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/contract/, you are getting a Loan.   You get the Phone for cheaper but a piece of your monthly bill is actually payment towards your debt.  What's so odd about them wanting you to complete your loan payments before they give you a new loan?</htmltext>
<tokenext>When you buy a discounted phone and sign a 2 year contract , say it again , /contract/ , you are getting a Loan .
You get the Phone for cheaper but a piece of your monthly bill is actually payment towards your debt .
What 's so odd about them wanting you to complete your loan payments before they give you a new loan ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you buy a discounted phone and sign a 2 year contract, say it again, /contract/, you are getting a Loan.
You get the Phone for cheaper but a piece of your monthly bill is actually payment towards your debt.
What's so odd about them wanting you to complete your loan payments before they give you a new loan?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261867</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>debatem1</author>
	<datestamp>1244485800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just switched, and my number was available instantly, although they wanted about 900 forms of identification before they would go through with it. <br>
In retrospect, telling my friends and family my new number was probably a better choice than handing everybody else my SSN, but hey, them's the breaks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just switched , and my number was available instantly , although they wanted about 900 forms of identification before they would go through with it .
In retrospect , telling my friends and family my new number was probably a better choice than handing everybody else my SSN , but hey , them 's the breaks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just switched, and my number was available instantly, although they wanted about 900 forms of identification before they would go through with it.
In retrospect, telling my friends and family my new number was probably a better choice than handing everybody else my SSN, but hey, them's the breaks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260369</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28266011</id>
	<title>I'm Not Angry</title>
	<author>Wingsy</author>
	<datestamp>1244563740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is an easy solution for getting the new iPhone at regular price even if you're in a contract.<br> <br>

Run an ad in Craigslist or somewhere. Advertise that you're GIVING AWAY your iPhone to anyone who will simply take over your ATT contract. Won't cost them anything; they just assume your billing. Your phone will be ringing off the hook for days once the ad runs. Then take this person with you to an ATT store, transfer the account at the same time you buy your new phone. Transfer your old number to your new phone. <br> <br>

I did this with an LG phone on an ALLTEL contract when I got my iPhone last year, and this year it will be just as easy.<br> <br>

Anyway, I don't understand why people think they are getting screwed by ATT wanting to get back the unpaid $200 left on your contract, money that is/was used to subsidize your phone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is an easy solution for getting the new iPhone at regular price even if you 're in a contract .
Run an ad in Craigslist or somewhere .
Advertise that you 're GIVING AWAY your iPhone to anyone who will simply take over your ATT contract .
Wo n't cost them anything ; they just assume your billing .
Your phone will be ringing off the hook for days once the ad runs .
Then take this person with you to an ATT store , transfer the account at the same time you buy your new phone .
Transfer your old number to your new phone .
I did this with an LG phone on an ALLTEL contract when I got my iPhone last year , and this year it will be just as easy .
Anyway , I do n't understand why people think they are getting screwed by ATT wanting to get back the unpaid $ 200 left on your contract , money that is/was used to subsidize your phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is an easy solution for getting the new iPhone at regular price even if you're in a contract.
Run an ad in Craigslist or somewhere.
Advertise that you're GIVING AWAY your iPhone to anyone who will simply take over your ATT contract.
Won't cost them anything; they just assume your billing.
Your phone will be ringing off the hook for days once the ad runs.
Then take this person with you to an ATT store, transfer the account at the same time you buy your new phone.
Transfer your old number to your new phone.
I did this with an LG phone on an ALLTEL contract when I got my iPhone last year, and this year it will be just as easy.
Anyway, I don't understand why people think they are getting screwed by ATT wanting to get back the unpaid $200 left on your contract, money that is/was used to subsidize your phone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260643</id>
	<title>Re:I don't have a contract</title>
	<author>WillyWanker</author>
	<datestamp>1244475840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cause I'm sure AT&amp;T forced you to spend $3000 for cell phone service using mafioso-style tactics. Wait... you weren't forced into buying a $400 PHONE and spending another $100 a month to use it??? Better would be a law stopping people from whining about the astronomical prices they willingly pay for crap they don't really need. Now THAT'S a bill I would support.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cause I 'm sure AT&amp;T forced you to spend $ 3000 for cell phone service using mafioso-style tactics .
Wait... you were n't forced into buying a $ 400 PHONE and spending another $ 100 a month to use it ? ? ?
Better would be a law stopping people from whining about the astronomical prices they willingly pay for crap they do n't really need .
Now THAT 'S a bill I would support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cause I'm sure AT&amp;T forced you to spend $3000 for cell phone service using mafioso-style tactics.
Wait... you weren't forced into buying a $400 PHONE and spending another $100 a month to use it???
Better would be a law stopping people from whining about the astronomical prices they willingly pay for crap they don't really need.
Now THAT'S a bill I would support.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260185</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263851</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>mog007</author>
	<datestamp>1244552700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds kind of interesting... meh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds kind of interesting... meh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds kind of interesting... meh.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259541</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28264127</id>
	<title>Family Plan</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1244554920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can buy a new iPhone for $100 (and bypass the upgrade fee/turn in your old phone), even if you are already a customer.  It will cost you about $15 a month more to be on the "Family" plan, until your current contract ends.  At that time, cancel your old iPhone contract, and go back to a single iPhone bill.  That's what I did with the first round, but ended up keeping the original phone and giving it to my wife.  $120 a month for 2 family plan iPhones is much better than $180 a month for 2 individual plans (if you need two phones in your household).</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can buy a new iPhone for $ 100 ( and bypass the upgrade fee/turn in your old phone ) , even if you are already a customer .
It will cost you about $ 15 a month more to be on the " Family " plan , until your current contract ends .
At that time , cancel your old iPhone contract , and go back to a single iPhone bill .
That 's what I did with the first round , but ended up keeping the original phone and giving it to my wife .
$ 120 a month for 2 family plan iPhones is much better than $ 180 a month for 2 individual plans ( if you need two phones in your household ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can buy a new iPhone for $100 (and bypass the upgrade fee/turn in your old phone), even if you are already a customer.
It will cost you about $15 a month more to be on the "Family" plan, until your current contract ends.
At that time, cancel your old iPhone contract, and go back to a single iPhone bill.
That's what I did with the first round, but ended up keeping the original phone and giving it to my wife.
$120 a month for 2 family plan iPhones is much better than $180 a month for 2 individual plans (if you need two phones in your household).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259939</id>
	<title>Re:Customers?</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1244472240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They do indeed have customers that most likely own an iPhone or two, sure. But the only shareholders that actually matter are <i>major</i> shareholders (i.e. mutual funds, board members). Do you seriously think these high rollers give a deuce about the iPhone? Do you think any of them even own one? Most likely they have 'people' to handle all their communications. And if they do not, then they probably have a big-boy communications device like a Blackberry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They do indeed have customers that most likely own an iPhone or two , sure .
But the only shareholders that actually matter are major shareholders ( i.e .
mutual funds , board members ) .
Do you seriously think these high rollers give a deuce about the iPhone ?
Do you think any of them even own one ?
Most likely they have 'people ' to handle all their communications .
And if they do not , then they probably have a big-boy communications device like a Blackberry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They do indeed have customers that most likely own an iPhone or two, sure.
But the only shareholders that actually matter are major shareholders (i.e.
mutual funds, board members).
Do you seriously think these high rollers give a deuce about the iPhone?
Do you think any of them even own one?
Most likely they have 'people' to handle all their communications.
And if they do not, then they probably have a big-boy communications device like a Blackberry.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259593</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259333</id>
	<title>no no NO!!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is Slashdot.  We have to complain about how Apple "Fanbois" are whiny and never satisfied.  How DARE you introduce facts into this discussion?  How DARE you destroy the dream?!???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is Slashdot .
We have to complain about how Apple " Fanbois " are whiny and never satisfied .
How DARE you introduce facts into this discussion ?
How DARE you destroy the dream ? ! ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is Slashdot.
We have to complain about how Apple "Fanbois" are whiny and never satisfied.
How DARE you introduce facts into this discussion?
How DARE you destroy the dream?!??
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259213</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259925</id>
	<title>US cellphone contracts are barmy</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1244472120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>US cellphone contracts are barmy. We know that.</p><p>Why you think they'll be any less barmy for iPhone renters than Nokia renters, I have no idea. It's the nature of the beast.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>US cellphone contracts are barmy .
We know that.Why you think they 'll be any less barmy for iPhone renters than Nokia renters , I have no idea .
It 's the nature of the beast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>US cellphone contracts are barmy.
We know that.Why you think they'll be any less barmy for iPhone renters than Nokia renters, I have no idea.
It's the nature of the beast.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260089</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>vipz</author>
	<datestamp>1244473200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you still get to keep your current phone number if you cancel first?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you still get to keep your current phone number if you cancel first ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you still get to keep your current phone number if you cancel first?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259907</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28265539</id>
	<title>I don't get it</title>
	<author>KiwiCanuck</author>
	<datestamp>1244561820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Phone companies are not going to give you a free or discounted phone if they have not recouped the cost of your "old" phone. duH!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Phone companies are not going to give you a free or discounted phone if they have not recouped the cost of your " old " phone .
duH !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Phone companies are not going to give you a free or discounted phone if they have not recouped the cost of your "old" phone.
duH!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259343</id>
	<title>Re:iPhone Users?</title>
	<author>rsmith-mac</author>
	<datestamp>1244468700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You'll have to excuse them, the people who are freaking out about this are all in the midst of the <a href="http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Five\_Stages\_of\_Acquisition" title="memory-alpha.org">Five Stages of Acquisition</a> [memory-alpha.org]. They've long since reached Infatuation, and are now having trouble with the Justification step. Swing a piece of gold-pressed latinum in front of their faces, and like any Ferengi they'll get over it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll have to excuse them , the people who are freaking out about this are all in the midst of the Five Stages of Acquisition [ memory-alpha.org ] .
They 've long since reached Infatuation , and are now having trouble with the Justification step .
Swing a piece of gold-pressed latinum in front of their faces , and like any Ferengi they 'll get over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll have to excuse them, the people who are freaking out about this are all in the midst of the Five Stages of Acquisition [memory-alpha.org].
They've long since reached Infatuation, and are now having trouble with the Justification step.
Swing a piece of gold-pressed latinum in front of their faces, and like any Ferengi they'll get over it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259213</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259617</id>
	<title>Makes Complete Sense</title>
	<author>CritterNYC</author>
	<datestamp>1244470260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This makes complete sense to everyone except for a couple little complainers in the forum post.  I mean, it's really, really simple.</p><p>1. The real, unsubsidized price of the iPhone is $399 for the 16GB and $499 for the 32GB version.<br>2. You can get a $200 discount by locking yourself into a 2 year contract with AT&amp;T.<br>3. If you're not at the end of your current 2 year contract (for which you already got a $200 discount off your last iPhone), you can't get another $200 discount on another new phone.</p><p>I mean, really.  This is basic, basic cell phone stuff in the US here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This makes complete sense to everyone except for a couple little complainers in the forum post .
I mean , it 's really , really simple.1 .
The real , unsubsidized price of the iPhone is $ 399 for the 16GB and $ 499 for the 32GB version.2 .
You can get a $ 200 discount by locking yourself into a 2 year contract with AT&amp;T.3 .
If you 're not at the end of your current 2 year contract ( for which you already got a $ 200 discount off your last iPhone ) , you ca n't get another $ 200 discount on another new phone.I mean , really .
This is basic , basic cell phone stuff in the US here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This makes complete sense to everyone except for a couple little complainers in the forum post.
I mean, it's really, really simple.1.
The real, unsubsidized price of the iPhone is $399 for the 16GB and $499 for the 32GB version.2.
You can get a $200 discount by locking yourself into a 2 year contract with AT&amp;T.3.
If you're not at the end of your current 2 year contract (for which you already got a $200 discount off your last iPhone), you can't get another $200 discount on another new phone.I mean, really.
This is basic, basic cell phone stuff in the US here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261197</id>
	<title>Income statement != iPhone profit margin</title>
	<author>nobodyman</author>
	<datestamp>1244479380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you honestly think that you can take an income statement from the whole of AT&amp;T and extrapolate the iPhone profit margins you are out of your mind.  For all we know they are losing money hand-over-fist in one area and are compensating with obscene markups on iPhones.</p><p>Instead, let's go with what we <em>know</em>.  We know the unsubsidized price of the phone is $200 more than the new contract price.  So we can safely assume that $8.33 a month of your bill is going towards paying off your "loan".</p><p>I really wish that the market was just fundamentally changed.   No other industry can get away with this shit.  Would you be willing to "buy" a new Prius for $15,000 so long as you were forced to gas up and Toyota dealerships at $10.00/gallon for the life of the car?  Hell no.  Yet that's what were doing with phones.  And people seem to love it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you honestly think that you can take an income statement from the whole of AT&amp;T and extrapolate the iPhone profit margins you are out of your mind .
For all we know they are losing money hand-over-fist in one area and are compensating with obscene markups on iPhones.Instead , let 's go with what we know .
We know the unsubsidized price of the phone is $ 200 more than the new contract price .
So we can safely assume that $ 8.33 a month of your bill is going towards paying off your " loan " .I really wish that the market was just fundamentally changed .
No other industry can get away with this shit .
Would you be willing to " buy " a new Prius for $ 15,000 so long as you were forced to gas up and Toyota dealerships at $ 10.00/gallon for the life of the car ?
Hell no .
Yet that 's what were doing with phones .
And people seem to love it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you honestly think that you can take an income statement from the whole of AT&amp;T and extrapolate the iPhone profit margins you are out of your mind.
For all we know they are losing money hand-over-fist in one area and are compensating with obscene markups on iPhones.Instead, let's go with what we know.
We know the unsubsidized price of the phone is $200 more than the new contract price.
So we can safely assume that $8.33 a month of your bill is going towards paying off your "loan".I really wish that the market was just fundamentally changed.
No other industry can get away with this shit.
Would you be willing to "buy" a new Prius for $15,000 so long as you were forced to gas up and Toyota dealerships at $10.00/gallon for the life of the car?
Hell no.
Yet that's what were doing with phones.
And people seem to love it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259853</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262851</id>
	<title>Apple fan boys get their panties in a twist</title>
	<author>rossz</author>
	<datestamp>1244540460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have an HTC Kaiser (aka Tilt).  I've had it for just over a year.  There's a better HTC phone at that I would love to have, but I would have to pay more than I wish to if I want to upgrade, or I can wait a little longer and upgrade very cheap or for free.  This is how the cell phone business works.  So just STFU and stop whining.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an HTC Kaiser ( aka Tilt ) .
I 've had it for just over a year .
There 's a better HTC phone at that I would love to have , but I would have to pay more than I wish to if I want to upgrade , or I can wait a little longer and upgrade very cheap or for free .
This is how the cell phone business works .
So just STFU and stop whining .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an HTC Kaiser (aka Tilt).
I've had it for just over a year.
There's a better HTC phone at that I would love to have, but I would have to pay more than I wish to if I want to upgrade, or I can wait a little longer and upgrade very cheap or for free.
This is how the cell phone business works.
So just STFU and stop whining.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260153</id>
	<title>Re:Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>RyuuzakiTetsuya</author>
	<datestamp>1244473620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I'm paying for text messages that are ostensibly free for the carrier to send?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I 'm paying for text messages that are ostensibly free for the carrier to send ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I'm paying for text messages that are ostensibly free for the carrier to send?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262393</id>
	<title>One thing that's odd...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244578380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with most people here... the current compromise of $200 off msrp is at least a half decent deal for extending the current contract 2 yrs from today....  (just a touch out of my current budget)</p><p>What I find odd, and what I don't understand, is why I can't extend my contract 2 yrs from the end of my current contract and get the full subsidy... seems to me that basic 4th grade arithmetic would allow this. So far, no luck in my talks with my local ATT shop. Perhaps this will change by the 19th?</p><p>As to why I'd do this? Easy, ATT is the only provider here that has a full signal at both my home and office. There's no reason I'd leave town, or sell my business, so adding another 2 yrs is fine by me... For some reason no one at the local ATT shop seems to have passed 4th grade math....</p><p>I do also find it odd that Apple and ATT aren't pricing/subsidizing the phone more aggressively... pretty much everyone that would want an iPhone at $199+ has one already... few of them, if any, will qualify for the full subsidy... and I doubt many will see the value in the $200/off msrp price.... (based on early observations not many seem to)  Seems to be a slight mis-calculation there... Not wrong or evil, just... perhaps... not that smart?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with most people here... the current compromise of $ 200 off msrp is at least a half decent deal for extending the current contract 2 yrs from today.... ( just a touch out of my current budget ) What I find odd , and what I do n't understand , is why I ca n't extend my contract 2 yrs from the end of my current contract and get the full subsidy... seems to me that basic 4th grade arithmetic would allow this .
So far , no luck in my talks with my local ATT shop .
Perhaps this will change by the 19th ? As to why I 'd do this ?
Easy , ATT is the only provider here that has a full signal at both my home and office .
There 's no reason I 'd leave town , or sell my business , so adding another 2 yrs is fine by me... For some reason no one at the local ATT shop seems to have passed 4th grade math....I do also find it odd that Apple and ATT are n't pricing/subsidizing the phone more aggressively... pretty much everyone that would want an iPhone at $ 199 + has one already... few of them , if any , will qualify for the full subsidy... and I doubt many will see the value in the $ 200/off msrp price.... ( based on early observations not many seem to ) Seems to be a slight mis-calculation there... Not wrong or evil , just... perhaps... not that smart ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with most people here... the current compromise of $200 off msrp is at least a half decent deal for extending the current contract 2 yrs from today....  (just a touch out of my current budget)What I find odd, and what I don't understand, is why I can't extend my contract 2 yrs from the end of my current contract and get the full subsidy... seems to me that basic 4th grade arithmetic would allow this.
So far, no luck in my talks with my local ATT shop.
Perhaps this will change by the 19th?As to why I'd do this?
Easy, ATT is the only provider here that has a full signal at both my home and office.
There's no reason I'd leave town, or sell my business, so adding another 2 yrs is fine by me... For some reason no one at the local ATT shop seems to have passed 4th grade math....I do also find it odd that Apple and ATT aren't pricing/subsidizing the phone more aggressively... pretty much everyone that would want an iPhone at $199+ has one already... few of them, if any, will qualify for the full subsidy... and I doubt many will see the value in the $200/off msrp price.... (based on early observations not many seem to)  Seems to be a slight mis-calculation there... Not wrong or evil, just... perhaps... not that smart?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261977</id>
	<title>Re:Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244487180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>AT&amp;T and Apple are trying to get new customers by lowering the initial cost and subsidizing the remainder on a 2 yr plan.  If you already have an iPhone, you don't qualify, plain and simple.  Why is this a slap in the face?  When did we as a society get our collective sense of entitlement?</p></div><p>One Word: OBAMA</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T and Apple are trying to get new customers by lowering the initial cost and subsidizing the remainder on a 2 yr plan .
If you already have an iPhone , you do n't qualify , plain and simple .
Why is this a slap in the face ?
When did we as a society get our collective sense of entitlement ? One Word : OBAMA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T and Apple are trying to get new customers by lowering the initial cost and subsidizing the remainder on a 2 yr plan.
If you already have an iPhone, you don't qualify, plain and simple.
Why is this a slap in the face?
When did we as a society get our collective sense of entitlement?One Word: OBAMA
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260517</id>
	<title>Like it matters</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244475240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its not gunna stop the sheeple from shelling out their money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not gunna stop the sheeple from shelling out their money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not gunna stop the sheeple from shelling out their money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260831</id>
	<title>Sure You Can</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1244476860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>      Why should anyone suffer due to the absurd legal freedoms that allow all this pricing nonsense? One price to all people at all times supports the notion of equality and such a policy would bring prices down for everyone across the board. So you can blame companies for using all kinds of gimmicks in sales and stop blaming the little people on the bad end of the bargains.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should anyone suffer due to the absurd legal freedoms that allow all this pricing nonsense ?
One price to all people at all times supports the notion of equality and such a policy would bring prices down for everyone across the board .
So you can blame companies for using all kinds of gimmicks in sales and stop blaming the little people on the bad end of the bargains .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>      Why should anyone suffer due to the absurd legal freedoms that allow all this pricing nonsense?
One price to all people at all times supports the notion of equality and such a policy would bring prices down for everyone across the board.
So you can blame companies for using all kinds of gimmicks in sales and stop blaming the little people on the bad end of the bargains.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260015</id>
	<title>Non-issue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244472780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has been AT&amp;T's upgrade policy for years. You will have to pony up the full price of a new phone, regardless of who makes it, if you want one before the 2 year contract has expired. iPhone users need to quit whining.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has been AT&amp;T 's upgrade policy for years .
You will have to pony up the full price of a new phone , regardless of who makes it , if you want one before the 2 year contract has expired .
iPhone users need to quit whining .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has been AT&amp;T's upgrade policy for years.
You will have to pony up the full price of a new phone, regardless of who makes it, if you want one before the 2 year contract has expired.
iPhone users need to quit whining.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259857</id>
	<title>Blackberry is a Leash, iPhone is a Brush</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1244471700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The blackberry is built from the top down to keep you connected to the corporation.</p><p>While you can do that with an iPhone to if you wish, many more people just use it as the tool smartphones are intended to be.  The same is true of other newer smartphones like Android and Pre, they let you create the connectivity model and directionality you desire.</p><p>The leash you despise is one that you choose to allow.  It doesn't mean you can't use the rope for better things if you wish since you hold both ends.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The blackberry is built from the top down to keep you connected to the corporation.While you can do that with an iPhone to if you wish , many more people just use it as the tool smartphones are intended to be .
The same is true of other newer smartphones like Android and Pre , they let you create the connectivity model and directionality you desire.The leash you despise is one that you choose to allow .
It does n't mean you ca n't use the rope for better things if you wish since you hold both ends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The blackberry is built from the top down to keep you connected to the corporation.While you can do that with an iPhone to if you wish, many more people just use it as the tool smartphones are intended to be.
The same is true of other newer smartphones like Android and Pre, they let you create the connectivity model and directionality you desire.The leash you despise is one that you choose to allow.
It doesn't mean you can't use the rope for better things if you wish since you hold both ends.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259519</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261951</id>
	<title>Loyal as long as it is exclusive...</title>
	<author>Gerhardius</author>
	<datestamp>1244486820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AT&amp;T owes iPhone customers nothing: they have a monopoly and can price accordingly. Fanboys should know the release cycle of Apple products by now and get their contracts accordingly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T owes iPhone customers nothing : they have a monopoly and can price accordingly .
Fanboys should know the release cycle of Apple products by now and get their contracts accordingly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T owes iPhone customers nothing: they have a monopoly and can price accordingly.
Fanboys should know the release cycle of Apple products by now and get their contracts accordingly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261723</id>
	<title>Fist gen Iphone didnt use an upgrade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244484540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When the VERY first iPhone came out, it wasnt considered an upgrade, and didnt count against you on your AT&amp;T contract. BUT you did have to sign a NEW 2 Yr. from that date contract. Bring that back, and you will have happy customers!! I HAD the first, I got the second and YES I will get the third one too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the VERY first iPhone came out , it wasnt considered an upgrade , and didnt count against you on your AT&amp;T contract .
BUT you did have to sign a NEW 2 Yr. from that date contract .
Bring that back , and you will have happy customers ! !
I HAD the first , I got the second and YES I will get the third one too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the VERY first iPhone came out, it wasnt considered an upgrade, and didnt count against you on your AT&amp;T contract.
BUT you did have to sign a NEW 2 Yr. from that date contract.
Bring that back, and you will have happy customers!!
I HAD the first, I got the second and YES I will get the third one too!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260689</id>
	<title>Not the point.</title>
	<author>PeterChenoweth</author>
	<datestamp>1244476080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Smug anti-iPhoners can point and laugh at iPhone owners all they want.  Par for the course around here.  <p>

The *point* of this mess is that AT&amp;T allowed original iPhone owners to upgrade to a 3G iPhone at any point in the contract.  So if you bought an original iPhone in July of '07, you agreed to a 2-year contract.  Fine.  But if you decided in August of '08 that you wanted a new 3G iPhone, AT&amp;T would sell you one at the DISCOUNTED, new-customer price.  Yes, that's contrary to the way every other phone upgrade works, and part of how iPhones were sold.  And yes, you got to keep the original iPhone.
</p><p>
AT&amp;T/Apple changed their mind on the 3GS upgrade policy, and *that's* what has iPhone owners ticked off.  Give it a couple of weeks.  My bet is that they'll change their mind on it and go back to the original policy.  Especially when they see that 3GS sales aren't taking off the way they expect them to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Smug anti-iPhoners can point and laugh at iPhone owners all they want .
Par for the course around here .
The * point * of this mess is that AT&amp;T allowed original iPhone owners to upgrade to a 3G iPhone at any point in the contract .
So if you bought an original iPhone in July of '07 , you agreed to a 2-year contract .
Fine. But if you decided in August of '08 that you wanted a new 3G iPhone , AT&amp;T would sell you one at the DISCOUNTED , new-customer price .
Yes , that 's contrary to the way every other phone upgrade works , and part of how iPhones were sold .
And yes , you got to keep the original iPhone .
AT&amp;T/Apple changed their mind on the 3GS upgrade policy , and * that 's * what has iPhone owners ticked off .
Give it a couple of weeks .
My bet is that they 'll change their mind on it and go back to the original policy .
Especially when they see that 3GS sales are n't taking off the way they expect them to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Smug anti-iPhoners can point and laugh at iPhone owners all they want.
Par for the course around here.
The *point* of this mess is that AT&amp;T allowed original iPhone owners to upgrade to a 3G iPhone at any point in the contract.
So if you bought an original iPhone in July of '07, you agreed to a 2-year contract.
Fine.  But if you decided in August of '08 that you wanted a new 3G iPhone, AT&amp;T would sell you one at the DISCOUNTED, new-customer price.
Yes, that's contrary to the way every other phone upgrade works, and part of how iPhones were sold.
And yes, you got to keep the original iPhone.
AT&amp;T/Apple changed their mind on the 3GS upgrade policy, and *that's* what has iPhone owners ticked off.
Give it a couple of weeks.
My bet is that they'll change their mind on it and go back to the original policy.
Especially when they see that 3GS sales aren't taking off the way they expect them to.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261273</id>
	<title>Just a distraction from the actual evil of ATT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244479980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, maybe not evil. But I do seem to recall ATT getting booed several times at WWDC this morning.</p><p>Maybe this non-story is just a distraction from the fact that tens of providers in other countries will be getting things like MMS messaging and tethering way before ATT provides them in the US?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , maybe not evil .
But I do seem to recall ATT getting booed several times at WWDC this morning.Maybe this non-story is just a distraction from the fact that tens of providers in other countries will be getting things like MMS messaging and tethering way before ATT provides them in the US ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, maybe not evil.
But I do seem to recall ATT getting booed several times at WWDC this morning.Maybe this non-story is just a distraction from the fact that tens of providers in other countries will be getting things like MMS messaging and tethering way before ATT provides them in the US?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259943</id>
	<title>Ignore Apple Hater Spin, you can now buy plan free</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1244472300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple Haters make a big deal out of the standard carrier practice of subsidizing phones and therefore making you pay extra to leave your contract early.</p><p>Smarter posters would note that the pricing is as expected, only now you don't have to go to Hong Kong to buy a phone <a href="http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/06/att-on-tethering-iphone-3g-s-pre-orders-early-upgrades.ars" title="arstechnica.com">with no commitment</a> [arstechnica.com].  Now the thing to clarify is if these are still carrier locked (sadly probably so) but this is how you avoid a fee in the future if you are worried about it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple Haters make a big deal out of the standard carrier practice of subsidizing phones and therefore making you pay extra to leave your contract early.Smarter posters would note that the pricing is as expected , only now you do n't have to go to Hong Kong to buy a phone with no commitment [ arstechnica.com ] .
Now the thing to clarify is if these are still carrier locked ( sadly probably so ) but this is how you avoid a fee in the future if you are worried about it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple Haters make a big deal out of the standard carrier practice of subsidizing phones and therefore making you pay extra to leave your contract early.Smarter posters would note that the pricing is as expected, only now you don't have to go to Hong Kong to buy a phone with no commitment [arstechnica.com].
Now the thing to clarify is if these are still carrier locked (sadly probably so) but this is how you avoid a fee in the future if you are worried about it...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260219</id>
	<title>Re:Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>ktappe</author>
	<datestamp>1244474040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When did we as a society get our collective sense of entitlement?</p></div><p>Don't you remember all those "public service" commercials in the 70's on Saturday morning teaching kids (and I quote) "The most important person in the world is you"? Somehow sociologists got it in their heads that we had a lack of self-esteem. Whether or not that was actually true, it certainly seems as if we've way overcompensated and now are stuck with a society that thinks it is due everything (music, movies, phones, software, paychecks) for free.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When did we as a society get our collective sense of entitlement ? Do n't you remember all those " public service " commercials in the 70 's on Saturday morning teaching kids ( and I quote ) " The most important person in the world is you " ?
Somehow sociologists got it in their heads that we had a lack of self-esteem .
Whether or not that was actually true , it certainly seems as if we 've way overcompensated and now are stuck with a society that thinks it is due everything ( music , movies , phones , software , paychecks ) for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When did we as a society get our collective sense of entitlement?Don't you remember all those "public service" commercials in the 70's on Saturday morning teaching kids (and I quote) "The most important person in the world is you"?
Somehow sociologists got it in their heads that we had a lack of self-esteem.
Whether or not that was actually true, it certainly seems as if we've way overcompensated and now are stuck with a society that thinks it is due everything (music, movies, phones, software, paychecks) for free.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260127</id>
	<title>Cheaper Just to Pay Early Termination Fee</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244473500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ETF is $175 and you get $5 reduced from that each month.  So after 12 months your early termination fee is only $175-60 = $115.  Cancel your account and start up a new one and get your new iPhone for $199+115 = $314 instead of $399.  Of course you might lose your phone number in the process...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ETF is $ 175 and you get $ 5 reduced from that each month .
So after 12 months your early termination fee is only $ 175-60 = $ 115 .
Cancel your account and start up a new one and get your new iPhone for $ 199 + 115 = $ 314 instead of $ 399 .
Of course you might lose your phone number in the process.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ETF is $175 and you get $5 reduced from that each month.
So after 12 months your early termination fee is only $175-60 = $115.
Cancel your account and start up a new one and get your new iPhone for $199+115 = $314 instead of $399.
Of course you might lose your phone number in the process...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262273</id>
	<title>Re:Holy Shit</title>
	<author>NovaHorizon</author>
	<datestamp>1244490480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ETFs are an outrage...</p><p>once a discount is given, the company has lost it's bargaining power by showing it's willing to back down. It must be given again and again.</p><p>"tsfroggy" is the beginning of a new revolution in personal rights and freedoms from businesses.</p><p>AT&amp;T is never right. End of story.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ETFs are an outrage...once a discount is given , the company has lost it 's bargaining power by showing it 's willing to back down .
It must be given again and again .
" tsfroggy " is the beginning of a new revolution in personal rights and freedoms from businesses.AT&amp;T is never right .
End of story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ETFs are an outrage...once a discount is given, the company has lost it's bargaining power by showing it's willing to back down.
It must be given again and again.
"tsfroggy" is the beginning of a new revolution in personal rights and freedoms from businesses.AT&amp;T is never right.
End of story.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259381</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28264213</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1244555520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or, you can keep your existing account, buy a new $99 iPhone for your make-believe spouse (this is slashdot, right) and add it to your existing plan for a little more (I previously posted $15 a month more, but I think it's more like $30 for the family plan).  When your original plan dies, depending on how many months you had to pay "family plan" for two phones, simply go back to a single plan for the new phone, and donate your old iPhone.  Who knows, since you'll be sporting a new shiny iPhone, you might actually land a spouse before it expires so then you can keep both.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or , you can keep your existing account , buy a new $ 99 iPhone for your make-believe spouse ( this is slashdot , right ) and add it to your existing plan for a little more ( I previously posted $ 15 a month more , but I think it 's more like $ 30 for the family plan ) .
When your original plan dies , depending on how many months you had to pay " family plan " for two phones , simply go back to a single plan for the new phone , and donate your old iPhone .
Who knows , since you 'll be sporting a new shiny iPhone , you might actually land a spouse before it expires so then you can keep both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or, you can keep your existing account, buy a new $99 iPhone for your make-believe spouse (this is slashdot, right) and add it to your existing plan for a little more (I previously posted $15 a month more, but I think it's more like $30 for the family plan).
When your original plan dies, depending on how many months you had to pay "family plan" for two phones, simply go back to a single plan for the new phone, and donate your old iPhone.
Who knows, since you'll be sporting a new shiny iPhone, you might actually land a spouse before it expires so then you can keep both.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259907</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260115</id>
	<title>Confused Definition</title>
	<author>afabbro</author>
	<datestamp>1244473380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>'This is ridiculous and slap in the face to long-time loyal iPhone customers like me who switched from T-Mobile and the only reason was the iPhone,' writes one unhappy iPhone customer.</p></div><p>Long-time?  Even if you bought an iPhone the day it was released (June 29, 2007), you are not yet at the end of your <i>initial</i> 2-year contract.  How "long-time loyal" can you be?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'This is ridiculous and slap in the face to long-time loyal iPhone customers like me who switched from T-Mobile and the only reason was the iPhone, ' writes one unhappy iPhone customer.Long-time ?
Even if you bought an iPhone the day it was released ( June 29 , 2007 ) , you are not yet at the end of your initial 2-year contract .
How " long-time loyal " can you be ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'This is ridiculous and slap in the face to long-time loyal iPhone customers like me who switched from T-Mobile and the only reason was the iPhone,' writes one unhappy iPhone customer.Long-time?
Even if you bought an iPhone the day it was released (June 29, 2007), you are not yet at the end of your initial 2-year contract.
How "long-time loyal" can you be?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261721</id>
	<title>well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244484480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, somr people were stupid enough to buy the overhyped junk that is the iPhone...so they deserve what they get!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , somr people were stupid enough to buy the overhyped junk that is the iPhone...so they deserve what they get !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, somr people were stupid enough to buy the overhyped junk that is the iPhone...so they deserve what they get!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263573</id>
	<title>I have an original iPhone on contract</title>
	<author>Peregr1n</author>
	<datestamp>1244549580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is exactly why I stuck with my original iPhone for an extra six months, rather than taking the free upgrade to the 3G. It was obvious that Apple were bringing out the next version, and I would rather save money and have a phone I'm happy with than pay through the nose for the latest shiniest very-slightly-better version. Now (hopefully) I can have a free (or greatly reduced price) upgrade to the 3GS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly why I stuck with my original iPhone for an extra six months , rather than taking the free upgrade to the 3G .
It was obvious that Apple were bringing out the next version , and I would rather save money and have a phone I 'm happy with than pay through the nose for the latest shiniest very-slightly-better version .
Now ( hopefully ) I can have a free ( or greatly reduced price ) upgrade to the 3GS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly why I stuck with my original iPhone for an extra six months, rather than taking the free upgrade to the 3G.
It was obvious that Apple were bringing out the next version, and I would rather save money and have a phone I'm happy with than pay through the nose for the latest shiniest very-slightly-better version.
Now (hopefully) I can have a free (or greatly reduced price) upgrade to the 3GS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260101</id>
	<title>It's the consequence of being a corporate slave...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244473260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Me, I got one at the Apple store and within minutes it was on the T-mobile network...</p><p>Apple got my money in exchange for a great product... AT&amp;T adds no value (and has not since 1969 or so.)</p><p>AT&amp;T should (and probably will) go the way of the dodo <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo</a> [wikipedia.org] like many other great brands that today only their brand name carries a value.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Me , I got one at the Apple store and within minutes it was on the T-mobile network...Apple got my money in exchange for a great product... AT&amp;T adds no value ( and has not since 1969 or so .
) AT&amp;T should ( and probably will ) go the way of the dodo http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo [ wikipedia.org ] like many other great brands that today only their brand name carries a value .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Me, I got one at the Apple store and within minutes it was on the T-mobile network...Apple got my money in exchange for a great product... AT&amp;T adds no value (and has not since 1969 or so.
)AT&amp;T should (and probably will) go the way of the dodo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo [wikipedia.org] like many other great brands that today only their brand name carries a value.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260979</id>
	<title>Re:Or..</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1244477760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its the Apple fantrolls, and they are not fanboys because that assumes they are human and are some sort of intelligent life form.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its the Apple fantrolls , and they are not fanboys because that assumes they are human and are some sort of intelligent life form .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its the Apple fantrolls, and they are not fanboys because that assumes they are human and are some sort of intelligent life form.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259627</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260707</id>
	<title>*Yawn*</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1244476200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll just use my nice, simple, reliable Symbian phone that does everything the iPhone, but without all the drama. What's the big deal about the iPhone, except that it's fashionable?</p><p>Besides: I <i>really</i> don't like touchscreens. I much prefer physical buttons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll just use my nice , simple , reliable Symbian phone that does everything the iPhone , but without all the drama .
What 's the big deal about the iPhone , except that it 's fashionable ? Besides : I really do n't like touchscreens .
I much prefer physical buttons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll just use my nice, simple, reliable Symbian phone that does everything the iPhone, but without all the drama.
What's the big deal about the iPhone, except that it's fashionable?Besides: I really don't like touchscreens.
I much prefer physical buttons.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262595</id>
	<title>Re:I don't have a contract</title>
	<author>zieroh</author>
	<datestamp>1244580720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I don't have a contract yet I still would be required to pay the full price. I use the go phone plan. I've kept my phone active for nearly every month the phone has been available. This is nearly 24 months. At $100.00 a month that's $2400 for the service and $400 for the phone. That's almost $3,000.</i></p><p><i>At that price NO ONE should be supporting AT&amp;T nor Apple.</i></p><p>Well, there's an easy solution to that problem, but it involves signing a contract. Apparently, you'd rather whine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't have a contract yet I still would be required to pay the full price .
I use the go phone plan .
I 've kept my phone active for nearly every month the phone has been available .
This is nearly 24 months .
At $ 100.00 a month that 's $ 2400 for the service and $ 400 for the phone .
That 's almost $ 3,000.At that price NO ONE should be supporting AT&amp;T nor Apple.Well , there 's an easy solution to that problem , but it involves signing a contract .
Apparently , you 'd rather whine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't have a contract yet I still would be required to pay the full price.
I use the go phone plan.
I've kept my phone active for nearly every month the phone has been available.
This is nearly 24 months.
At $100.00 a month that's $2400 for the service and $400 for the phone.
That's almost $3,000.At that price NO ONE should be supporting AT&amp;T nor Apple.Well, there's an easy solution to that problem, but it involves signing a contract.
Apparently, you'd rather whine.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260185</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259541</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>sthomas</author>
	<datestamp>1244469720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"vigorous" made me laugh.  For once I'd like to see someone launch a lackadaisical campaign.  In fact, this is a call to arms - let's launch a lethargic campaign to create a new era of de-energized campaigns!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" vigorous " made me laugh .
For once I 'd like to see someone launch a lackadaisical campaign .
In fact , this is a call to arms - let 's launch a lethargic campaign to create a new era of de-energized campaigns !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"vigorous" made me laugh.
For once I'd like to see someone launch a lackadaisical campaign.
In fact, this is a call to arms - let's launch a lethargic campaign to create a new era of de-energized campaigns!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259229</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28266959</id>
	<title>Re:This is nothing new.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244567160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I really love is the idea that just because it has always been that way, that is the way it should be... good thing I never got rid of my Horseless Carriage!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I really love is the idea that just because it has always been that way , that is the way it should be... good thing I never got rid of my Horseless Carriage !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I really love is the idea that just because it has always been that way, that is the way it should be... good thing I never got rid of my Horseless Carriage!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28265979</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was going to volunteer to help, but clicking Reply To This was just too much effort.</p><p>Screw it, I'm spent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to volunteer to help , but clicking Reply To This was just too much effort.Screw it , I 'm spent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to volunteer to help, but clicking Reply To This was just too much effort.Screw it, I'm spent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259541</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261077</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244478480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously? I work for Vivo (a Telefonica &amp; Portugal Telecom company) in Brazil. The estimated cost of a normal call is next to zero inside your own network (less than 0.02 USD) and for landlines and other operators is something small<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Personal 3G costs 50 USD (\_every\_ single operator charges the same), but we offer enterprise 3G unlimited access at 20 USD. Do you really think they sell 3G access at a loss? And if they do, where does the commission (~60USD for each 3G modem sale with 24 months contract) from? Come on!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously ?
I work for Vivo ( a Telefonica &amp; Portugal Telecom company ) in Brazil .
The estimated cost of a normal call is next to zero inside your own network ( less than 0.02 USD ) and for landlines and other operators is something small .Personal 3G costs 50 USD ( \ _every \ _ single operator charges the same ) , but we offer enterprise 3G unlimited access at 20 USD .
Do you really think they sell 3G access at a loss ?
And if they do , where does the commission ( ~ 60USD for each 3G modem sale with 24 months contract ) from ?
Come on !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously?
I work for Vivo (a Telefonica &amp; Portugal Telecom company) in Brazil.
The estimated cost of a normal call is next to zero inside your own network (less than 0.02 USD) and for landlines and other operators is something small .Personal 3G costs 50 USD (\_every\_ single operator charges the same), but we offer enterprise 3G unlimited access at 20 USD.
Do you really think they sell 3G access at a loss?
And if they do, where does the commission (~60USD for each 3G modem sale with 24 months contract) from?
Come on!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259715</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28276111</id>
	<title>UK users (on the O2 network) have NO upgrade path</title>
	<author>SoloJon</author>
	<datestamp>1244576340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>AT&amp;T is a greedy bitch. My US cousins have to pay close to $100 for "fair use" usage on their phones-- but at least you guys have an upgrade path. Current iPhone 3G users here in the UK are forced by their cell phone provider, O2, to wait until 1 month before their contract ends before they can negotiate a switch. Of course since the contracts are 18 months, for most early adopters that means January 2010. I don't know why, but this makes me furious. Oh well, patience is a virtue, I suppose.</htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T is a greedy bitch .
My US cousins have to pay close to $ 100 for " fair use " usage on their phones-- but at least you guys have an upgrade path .
Current iPhone 3G users here in the UK are forced by their cell phone provider , O2 , to wait until 1 month before their contract ends before they can negotiate a switch .
Of course since the contracts are 18 months , for most early adopters that means January 2010 .
I do n't know why , but this makes me furious .
Oh well , patience is a virtue , I suppose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T is a greedy bitch.
My US cousins have to pay close to $100 for "fair use" usage on their phones-- but at least you guys have an upgrade path.
Current iPhone 3G users here in the UK are forced by their cell phone provider, O2, to wait until 1 month before their contract ends before they can negotiate a switch.
Of course since the contracts are 18 months, for most early adopters that means January 2010.
I don't know why, but this makes me furious.
Oh well, patience is a virtue, I suppose.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28269117</id>
	<title>Im confused</title>
	<author>SoulRider</author>
	<datestamp>1244575140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So let me see if I have this straight.  People want to break their current contract and buy a new phone?  And they are complaining that their is a premium attached to this?  My contract with AT&amp;T clearly states that if I break my contract there will be penalty charged, a substantial penalty, much more than $200 dollars.  It seems to me that AT&amp;T is already offering a discount on the upgrade if its only $200 to break your current contract.  When I bought my iPhone I realized that under the current conditions I was not going to be getting the newest model every year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So let me see if I have this straight .
People want to break their current contract and buy a new phone ?
And they are complaining that their is a premium attached to this ?
My contract with AT&amp;T clearly states that if I break my contract there will be penalty charged , a substantial penalty , much more than $ 200 dollars .
It seems to me that AT&amp;T is already offering a discount on the upgrade if its only $ 200 to break your current contract .
When I bought my iPhone I realized that under the current conditions I was not going to be getting the newest model every year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So let me see if I have this straight.
People want to break their current contract and buy a new phone?
And they are complaining that their is a premium attached to this?
My contract with AT&amp;T clearly states that if I break my contract there will be penalty charged, a substantial penalty, much more than $200 dollars.
It seems to me that AT&amp;T is already offering a discount on the upgrade if its only $200 to break your current contract.
When I bought my iPhone I realized that under the current conditions I was not going to be getting the newest model every year.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259349</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or you could boycott the particularly onerous terms of your contract by paying your ETF and not giving AT&amp;T your money any longer.  You and I both know it doesn't cost them even remotely close to 95$ a month for your service - their profit margins are obscene.  It's absolutely their right to request you pay that amount each month, and if you were suckered into a contract, that's a blow to you.  Learn by your mistake by terminating the contract in the legal manner (and if that means waiting until they change the terms of the contract, so be it) and <b>don't fucking enter another one like it again</b>.  Until you tell them you're not interesting in paying obscene costs or entering into their service with any contract (even forgoing your precious ball and chain for a while), they'll keep bending you over and blasting your asshole repeatedly.  If you want to just lay there and take it, that's your prerogative, but kindly have the decency to shut the fuck up about how you're not receiving a perceived fair bargain from the entity you willfully signed your custom away to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could boycott the particularly onerous terms of your contract by paying your ETF and not giving AT&amp;T your money any longer .
You and I both know it does n't cost them even remotely close to 95 $ a month for your service - their profit margins are obscene .
It 's absolutely their right to request you pay that amount each month , and if you were suckered into a contract , that 's a blow to you .
Learn by your mistake by terminating the contract in the legal manner ( and if that means waiting until they change the terms of the contract , so be it ) and do n't fucking enter another one like it again .
Until you tell them you 're not interesting in paying obscene costs or entering into their service with any contract ( even forgoing your precious ball and chain for a while ) , they 'll keep bending you over and blasting your asshole repeatedly .
If you want to just lay there and take it , that 's your prerogative , but kindly have the decency to shut the fuck up about how you 're not receiving a perceived fair bargain from the entity you willfully signed your custom away to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could boycott the particularly onerous terms of your contract by paying your ETF and not giving AT&amp;T your money any longer.
You and I both know it doesn't cost them even remotely close to 95$ a month for your service - their profit margins are obscene.
It's absolutely their right to request you pay that amount each month, and if you were suckered into a contract, that's a blow to you.
Learn by your mistake by terminating the contract in the legal manner (and if that means waiting until they change the terms of the contract, so be it) and don't fucking enter another one like it again.
Until you tell them you're not interesting in paying obscene costs or entering into their service with any contract (even forgoing your precious ball and chain for a while), they'll keep bending you over and blasting your asshole repeatedly.
If you want to just lay there and take it, that's your prerogative, but kindly have the decency to shut the fuck up about how you're not receiving a perceived fair bargain from the entity you willfully signed your custom away to.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259197</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28272505</id>
	<title>Re:Me too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244546940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You bought your wife at AT&amp;T too?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You bought your wife at AT&amp;T too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You bought your wife at AT&amp;T too?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263777</id>
	<title>Re:What a Wonderful World it Would Be</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1244552040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That world does exist. It's called "Europe". Here in the UK, for example, phone carriers are obliged to unlock the phone (my carrier will do it from 30 days after the contract starts for the equivalent of about $25), and they're all in rabid competition for the "SIM-only" market that it's opened up. So you can get unlimited texts, ten hours of calls, and unlimited internet for about $30-$35 depending on carrier. If you don't want the unlimited internet access there's a carrier which does about the same for the equivalent of $15-$20. Those prices are <i>including tax</i>, by the way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That world does exist .
It 's called " Europe " .
Here in the UK , for example , phone carriers are obliged to unlock the phone ( my carrier will do it from 30 days after the contract starts for the equivalent of about $ 25 ) , and they 're all in rabid competition for the " SIM-only " market that it 's opened up .
So you can get unlimited texts , ten hours of calls , and unlimited internet for about $ 30- $ 35 depending on carrier .
If you do n't want the unlimited internet access there 's a carrier which does about the same for the equivalent of $ 15- $ 20 .
Those prices are including tax , by the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That world does exist.
It's called "Europe".
Here in the UK, for example, phone carriers are obliged to unlock the phone (my carrier will do it from 30 days after the contract starts for the equivalent of about $25), and they're all in rabid competition for the "SIM-only" market that it's opened up.
So you can get unlimited texts, ten hours of calls, and unlimited internet for about $30-$35 depending on carrier.
If you don't want the unlimited internet access there's a carrier which does about the same for the equivalent of $15-$20.
Those prices are including tax, by the way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260895</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260791</id>
	<title>The real question is...</title>
	<author>beej</author>
	<datestamp>1244476620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...when will AT&amp;T's support for voice calling be out of beta?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...when will AT&amp;T 's support for voice calling be out of beta ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...when will AT&amp;T's support for voice calling be out of beta?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260145</id>
	<title>devil pact</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244473560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People are stupid. They enter into contracts with the devil and then are surprised they got screwed. Apple and Microsoft are the worst companies to do business with. Even if their products were really good (they aren't) you are making a pact with the devil! How stupid can you be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People are stupid .
They enter into contracts with the devil and then are surprised they got screwed .
Apple and Microsoft are the worst companies to do business with .
Even if their products were really good ( they are n't ) you are making a pact with the devil !
How stupid can you be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are stupid.
They enter into contracts with the devil and then are surprised they got screwed.
Apple and Microsoft are the worst companies to do business with.
Even if their products were really good (they aren't) you are making a pact with the devil!
How stupid can you be.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259971</id>
	<title>Why don't you organize a strike</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244472540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>instead of whining on Slashdot? I have a crap T-mobile pre-paid Samsung and I'm keeping it just because the iPhone's mandatory data plan stinks (screw you Jobs.) Besides, the iPhone is too heavy and too expensive to treat the way you should be able to treat a phone. I've been spoiled by Western Electric.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>instead of whining on Slashdot ?
I have a crap T-mobile pre-paid Samsung and I 'm keeping it just because the iPhone 's mandatory data plan stinks ( screw you Jobs .
) Besides , the iPhone is too heavy and too expensive to treat the way you should be able to treat a phone .
I 've been spoiled by Western Electric .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>instead of whining on Slashdot?
I have a crap T-mobile pre-paid Samsung and I'm keeping it just because the iPhone's mandatory data plan stinks (screw you Jobs.
) Besides, the iPhone is too heavy and too expensive to treat the way you should be able to treat a phone.
I've been spoiled by Western Electric.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259235</id>
	<title>Stop Whining</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ATT SUBSIDIZED your first phone on the basis that you would keep it for 2 years before they SUBSIDIZE another one. Just because you are a apple FANBOY does not entitle you to extra subsidies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ATT SUBSIDIZED your first phone on the basis that you would keep it for 2 years before they SUBSIDIZE another one .
Just because you are a apple FANBOY does not entitle you to extra subsidies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ATT SUBSIDIZED your first phone on the basis that you would keep it for 2 years before they SUBSIDIZE another one.
Just because you are a apple FANBOY does not entitle you to extra subsidies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28266197</id>
	<title>Re:Half subsidy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244564400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, how long have you worked for  AT&amp;T?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>They could just tack the remaining 6 months onto the new 2-year contracts and get a lot of happy iPhone users to upgrade. The fact that they're trying to spin this as a "valued customer" discount without explaining any full price / subsidy intricacies says they just don't get the average wireless customer. I don't care how many journal entries or torturous twists of logic AT&amp;T comes up with to justify this pricing. The fact is it a) has not been explained well by AT&amp;T and b) AT&amp;T has not only not offered pricing that feels like a deal to the average iPhone user, it's not even prepared to support the phone it's going to sell. And c) would be that AT&amp;T overcharges for the data, text messaging, and rate plans compared to other carriers. That is nothing new, though - AT&amp;T has always overcharged for services.</p><p>Regardless of any "logic," most customer purchases contain at least some element of emotion. The reaction to this situation is proof that AT&amp;T doesn't have loyal customers; they have iPhones. When the iPhones leave, so will they.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , how long have you worked for AT&amp;T ?
: ) They could just tack the remaining 6 months onto the new 2-year contracts and get a lot of happy iPhone users to upgrade .
The fact that they 're trying to spin this as a " valued customer " discount without explaining any full price / subsidy intricacies says they just do n't get the average wireless customer .
I do n't care how many journal entries or torturous twists of logic AT&amp;T comes up with to justify this pricing .
The fact is it a ) has not been explained well by AT&amp;T and b ) AT&amp;T has not only not offered pricing that feels like a deal to the average iPhone user , it 's not even prepared to support the phone it 's going to sell .
And c ) would be that AT&amp;T overcharges for the data , text messaging , and rate plans compared to other carriers .
That is nothing new , though - AT&amp;T has always overcharged for services.Regardless of any " logic , " most customer purchases contain at least some element of emotion .
The reaction to this situation is proof that AT&amp;T does n't have loyal customers ; they have iPhones .
When the iPhones leave , so will they .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, how long have you worked for  AT&amp;T?
:)They could just tack the remaining 6 months onto the new 2-year contracts and get a lot of happy iPhone users to upgrade.
The fact that they're trying to spin this as a "valued customer" discount without explaining any full price / subsidy intricacies says they just don't get the average wireless customer.
I don't care how many journal entries or torturous twists of logic AT&amp;T comes up with to justify this pricing.
The fact is it a) has not been explained well by AT&amp;T and b) AT&amp;T has not only not offered pricing that feels like a deal to the average iPhone user, it's not even prepared to support the phone it's going to sell.
And c) would be that AT&amp;T overcharges for the data, text messaging, and rate plans compared to other carriers.
That is nothing new, though - AT&amp;T has always overcharged for services.Regardless of any "logic," most customer purchases contain at least some element of emotion.
The reaction to this situation is proof that AT&amp;T doesn't have loyal customers; they have iPhones.
When the iPhones leave, so will they.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259963</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28271235</id>
	<title>complaints are valid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244540220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the issue here is more that every cell phone company's new thing is a two year contract with a discounted phone.</p><p>We're reaching a time where a two year contract is not worth the phone you get with it. Every year there's a splurge of new "in" and "trendy" cell phones. And every year, these are obliterated by next year's model.</p><p>2 year contracts aren't worth it. That's actually what has stopped me from upgrading to any phone with a data plan.</p><p>I'll keep waiting for the prices to go down...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the issue here is more that every cell phone company 's new thing is a two year contract with a discounted phone.We 're reaching a time where a two year contract is not worth the phone you get with it .
Every year there 's a splurge of new " in " and " trendy " cell phones .
And every year , these are obliterated by next year 's model.2 year contracts are n't worth it .
That 's actually what has stopped me from upgrading to any phone with a data plan.I 'll keep waiting for the prices to go down.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the issue here is more that every cell phone company's new thing is a two year contract with a discounted phone.We're reaching a time where a two year contract is not worth the phone you get with it.
Every year there's a splurge of new "in" and "trendy" cell phones.
And every year, these are obliterated by next year's model.2 year contracts aren't worth it.
That's actually what has stopped me from upgrading to any phone with a data plan.I'll keep waiting for the prices to go down...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28264059</id>
	<title>Re:Half subsidy</title>
	<author>=w=</author>
	<datestamp>1244554320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, some of these complaints are pathetic. No one is getting bait and switched ripped off. Though I wonder if the $699 is unsubsidized then why do customers have to sign a new 2 year agreement? I thought the whole point of contracts was so the carrier could get back the investment of subsidizing your phone. You can get a iPod touch for $399, so I believe $699 for the phone is probably full retail as you say.</p><p>Based on that and the lack of MMS and tethering support out of the gate makes me say AT&amp;T is dropping the ball. Apple should get serious about developers being able to have devices for testing without having to have a bunch of unnecessary monthly phone contracts. I would happily pay full retail to get something unlocked so I can pop in a local SIM card when I travel, but again not an option (there are options, but you can only get an iPhone serviced in the country of purchase according to the warranty, I did read it and decided it wasn't worth the money to import an unlocked phone from elsewhere in the EU). My carrier is more than happy to let me call using Skype on their 3G network, but because AT&amp;T in the US says no I'm prevented from functionality that even some of the free with contract phones have here in Sweden.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , some of these complaints are pathetic .
No one is getting bait and switched ripped off .
Though I wonder if the $ 699 is unsubsidized then why do customers have to sign a new 2 year agreement ?
I thought the whole point of contracts was so the carrier could get back the investment of subsidizing your phone .
You can get a iPod touch for $ 399 , so I believe $ 699 for the phone is probably full retail as you say.Based on that and the lack of MMS and tethering support out of the gate makes me say AT&amp;T is dropping the ball .
Apple should get serious about developers being able to have devices for testing without having to have a bunch of unnecessary monthly phone contracts .
I would happily pay full retail to get something unlocked so I can pop in a local SIM card when I travel , but again not an option ( there are options , but you can only get an iPhone serviced in the country of purchase according to the warranty , I did read it and decided it was n't worth the money to import an unlocked phone from elsewhere in the EU ) .
My carrier is more than happy to let me call using Skype on their 3G network , but because AT&amp;T in the US says no I 'm prevented from functionality that even some of the free with contract phones have here in Sweden .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, some of these complaints are pathetic.
No one is getting bait and switched ripped off.
Though I wonder if the $699 is unsubsidized then why do customers have to sign a new 2 year agreement?
I thought the whole point of contracts was so the carrier could get back the investment of subsidizing your phone.
You can get a iPod touch for $399, so I believe $699 for the phone is probably full retail as you say.Based on that and the lack of MMS and tethering support out of the gate makes me say AT&amp;T is dropping the ball.
Apple should get serious about developers being able to have devices for testing without having to have a bunch of unnecessary monthly phone contracts.
I would happily pay full retail to get something unlocked so I can pop in a local SIM card when I travel, but again not an option (there are options, but you can only get an iPhone serviced in the country of purchase according to the warranty, I did read it and decided it wasn't worth the money to import an unlocked phone from elsewhere in the EU).
My carrier is more than happy to let me call using Skype on their 3G network, but because AT&amp;T in the US says no I'm prevented from functionality that even some of the free with contract phones have here in Sweden.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259963</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28264275</id>
	<title>Rate plans changing too...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244555880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Beyond the cost issues for the phone itself, I now find that my rate plan must be "changed" to another plan that offers the same data / sms, but now is $15 more per month.</p><p>thanks ATT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beyond the cost issues for the phone itself , I now find that my rate plan must be " changed " to another plan that offers the same data / sms , but now is $ 15 more per month.thanks ATT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beyond the cost issues for the phone itself, I now find that my rate plan must be "changed" to another plan that offers the same data / sms, but now is $15 more per month.thanks ATT.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261809</id>
	<title>Suck it up buttercup.....</title>
	<author>AnAdventurer</author>
	<datestamp>1244485320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bought a first gen iphone pre-price reduction. And I just got a new iPhone last month. This would be capitalism at work. We have to pay-up or put-up. <p>Just wait it out, you will be fine. This is no different then any other contract on any other phone, except, ofcourse this one is really cool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought a first gen iphone pre-price reduction .
And I just got a new iPhone last month .
This would be capitalism at work .
We have to pay-up or put-up .
Just wait it out , you will be fine .
This is no different then any other contract on any other phone , except , ofcourse this one is really cool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought a first gen iphone pre-price reduction.
And I just got a new iPhone last month.
This would be capitalism at work.
We have to pay-up or put-up.
Just wait it out, you will be fine.
This is no different then any other contract on any other phone, except, ofcourse this one is really cool.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28270621</id>
	<title>Tough shit.</title>
	<author>JasonEngel</author>
	<datestamp>1244580780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I completely agree with that post's final sentence:  "If you want to upgrade early then you will have to pay full price with no subsidy discount. You can't blame anyone but yourself for your predicament."  Every American cell-phone user knows this is standard practice.  If you want to buy a new phone from your provider before your contract is up or your upgrade option renews, then you pay the non-subsidized price.  I simply do not feel the slightest bit sorry for these whiners who feel that buying an iPhone last June/July somehow makes them special.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I completely agree with that post 's final sentence : " If you want to upgrade early then you will have to pay full price with no subsidy discount .
You ca n't blame anyone but yourself for your predicament .
" Every American cell-phone user knows this is standard practice .
If you want to buy a new phone from your provider before your contract is up or your upgrade option renews , then you pay the non-subsidized price .
I simply do not feel the slightest bit sorry for these whiners who feel that buying an iPhone last June/July somehow makes them special .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I completely agree with that post's final sentence:  "If you want to upgrade early then you will have to pay full price with no subsidy discount.
You can't blame anyone but yourself for your predicament.
"  Every American cell-phone user knows this is standard practice.
If you want to buy a new phone from your provider before your contract is up or your upgrade option renews, then you pay the non-subsidized price.
I simply do not feel the slightest bit sorry for these whiners who feel that buying an iPhone last June/July somehow makes them special.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262703</id>
	<title>whining</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244538720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>lol I am laughing so hard at this whining from the usual bunch of self-absorbed entitled babies.</p><p>Suck it up and pay the frigging $200 if you must have the latest and greatest, or wait till next year<br>and get the iphone 4G.</p><p>Ridiculous</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lol I am laughing so hard at this whining from the usual bunch of self-absorbed entitled babies.Suck it up and pay the frigging $ 200 if you must have the latest and greatest , or wait till next yearand get the iphone 4G.Ridiculous</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lol I am laughing so hard at this whining from the usual bunch of self-absorbed entitled babies.Suck it up and pay the frigging $200 if you must have the latest and greatest, or wait till next yearand get the iphone 4G.Ridiculous</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28265687</id>
	<title>Normal?</title>
	<author>gubers33</author>
	<datestamp>1244562540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple needs to chill out and stop crying because they are being treated like every other cell phone manufacturer. You can always upgrade every 2 years and you get a phone discounted when you sign the new contract. It is like that with AT&amp;T, Verizon, and T Mobile.
I mean customers aren't being treated any differently than they have been so put up with not having the newest shiny phone for a year or put out the extra cash. I mean if you wait until next year you will have the new shiny iPhone to show off to the guy who gets this one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple needs to chill out and stop crying because they are being treated like every other cell phone manufacturer .
You can always upgrade every 2 years and you get a phone discounted when you sign the new contract .
It is like that with AT&amp;T , Verizon , and T Mobile .
I mean customers are n't being treated any differently than they have been so put up with not having the newest shiny phone for a year or put out the extra cash .
I mean if you wait until next year you will have the new shiny iPhone to show off to the guy who gets this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple needs to chill out and stop crying because they are being treated like every other cell phone manufacturer.
You can always upgrade every 2 years and you get a phone discounted when you sign the new contract.
It is like that with AT&amp;T, Verizon, and T Mobile.
I mean customers aren't being treated any differently than they have been so put up with not having the newest shiny phone for a year or put out the extra cash.
I mean if you wait until next year you will have the new shiny iPhone to show off to the guy who gets this one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259603</id>
	<title>Re:Phone subsidies hurt many things</title>
	<author>Dynedain</author>
	<datestamp>1244470080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It would be better if you could say, "Look, instead of $200 off a phone, if I bring my own phone, will you give me $10/month off my plan if I commit to 2 years?" Costs the carrier the same, approximately.</p></div></blockquote><p>But it doesn't cost the same to the carrier. The carrier turns a profit on the phone if they sell it to you (regardless of whether they subsidize that over time). If they don't sell it to you because you provide your own, that eats dramatically into their profit. It's not a direct cost, it is the soft cost of reduced income.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be better if you could say , " Look , instead of $ 200 off a phone , if I bring my own phone , will you give me $ 10/month off my plan if I commit to 2 years ?
" Costs the carrier the same , approximately.But it does n't cost the same to the carrier .
The carrier turns a profit on the phone if they sell it to you ( regardless of whether they subsidize that over time ) .
If they do n't sell it to you because you provide your own , that eats dramatically into their profit .
It 's not a direct cost , it is the soft cost of reduced income .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be better if you could say, "Look, instead of $200 off a phone, if I bring my own phone, will you give me $10/month off my plan if I commit to 2 years?
" Costs the carrier the same, approximately.But it doesn't cost the same to the carrier.
The carrier turns a profit on the phone if they sell it to you (regardless of whether they subsidize that over time).
If they don't sell it to you because you provide your own, that eats dramatically into their profit.
It's not a direct cost, it is the soft cost of reduced income.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259363</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28267277</id>
	<title>Re:Or..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244568180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AT&amp;T wasn't generous, the original iPhone simply wasn't subsidized.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T was n't generous , the original iPhone simply was n't subsidized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T wasn't generous, the original iPhone simply wasn't subsidized.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259203</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259763</id>
	<title>Re:I am incredibly upset about this.</title>
	<author>MrCrassic</author>
	<datestamp>1244471100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obama will fix all of this. Don't you worry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama will fix all of this .
Do n't you worry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama will fix all of this.
Don't you worry.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259237</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259353</id>
	<title>what is the issue?</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1244468760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I don't understand what the issue is.  The great majority of new features can be had by flashing your current iphone to 3.0, and then opening the little door and putting in a bigger...micro...sd...card...  Oh, I forgot.  Never mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand what the issue is .
The great majority of new features can be had by flashing your current iphone to 3.0 , and then opening the little door and putting in a bigger...micro...sd...card... Oh , I forgot .
Never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I don't understand what the issue is.
The great majority of new features can be had by flashing your current iphone to 3.0, and then opening the little door and putting in a bigger...micro...sd...card...  Oh, I forgot.
Never mind.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259627</id>
	<title>Re:Or..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244470320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Just because they were generous when the 3G came out, does not obligate them to do so again.</p></div><p>
It wasn't really that they were "generous" about the 3G.  It was more that the original iPhone wasn't subsidized <b>at all</b>.  Basically, they were giving a subsidy to people who had never really received one previously.  Either way, this complaint is stupid.  Every other US carrier and phone manufacturer has these exact same terms.  Can someone explain to me why it is that when it's Apple + AT&amp;T, it becomes an unbearable outrage?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because they were generous when the 3G came out , does not obligate them to do so again .
It was n't really that they were " generous " about the 3G .
It was more that the original iPhone was n't subsidized at all .
Basically , they were giving a subsidy to people who had never really received one previously .
Either way , this complaint is stupid .
Every other US carrier and phone manufacturer has these exact same terms .
Can someone explain to me why it is that when it 's Apple + AT&amp;T , it becomes an unbearable outrage ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because they were generous when the 3G came out, does not obligate them to do so again.
It wasn't really that they were "generous" about the 3G.
It was more that the original iPhone wasn't subsidized at all.
Basically, they were giving a subsidy to people who had never really received one previously.
Either way, this complaint is stupid.
Every other US carrier and phone manufacturer has these exact same terms.
Can someone explain to me why it is that when it's Apple + AT&amp;T, it becomes an unbearable outrage?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259203</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259843</id>
	<title>Boo effing hoo</title>
	<author>scubamage</author>
	<datestamp>1244471580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, boohoo. No other carrier offers discounts on ANY phone midway through your plan. Suck it up and pay the extra 200$. Just because its an iphone doesn't make you special and exempt from company policies. If it did, well, I'll take a 99$ palm pre then thank you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , boohoo .
No other carrier offers discounts on ANY phone midway through your plan .
Suck it up and pay the extra 200 $ .
Just because its an iphone does n't make you special and exempt from company policies .
If it did , well , I 'll take a 99 $ palm pre then thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, boohoo.
No other carrier offers discounts on ANY phone midway through your plan.
Suck it up and pay the extra 200$.
Just because its an iphone doesn't make you special and exempt from company policies.
If it did, well, I'll take a 99$ palm pre then thank you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28265089</id>
	<title>Re:Confused Definition</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244559840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you bought the original iPhone at any point, you paid an unsubsidized price AND you had to sign a 2-year contract. That is why when the iPhone 3G was released, AT&amp;T allowed current iPhone owners fully subsidized pricing no matter where they were in their contract. If you still have the original, you should be able to to upgrade to the 3GS at the lowest price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you bought the original iPhone at any point , you paid an unsubsidized price AND you had to sign a 2-year contract .
That is why when the iPhone 3G was released , AT&amp;T allowed current iPhone owners fully subsidized pricing no matter where they were in their contract .
If you still have the original , you should be able to to upgrade to the 3GS at the lowest price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you bought the original iPhone at any point, you paid an unsubsidized price AND you had to sign a 2-year contract.
That is why when the iPhone 3G was released, AT&amp;T allowed current iPhone owners fully subsidized pricing no matter where they were in their contract.
If you still have the original, you should be able to to upgrade to the 3GS at the lowest price.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260115</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261987</id>
	<title>You get what you pay for</title>
	<author>wintermute000</author>
	<datestamp>1244487420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I fail to see how making someone adhere to the terms of a voluntary contract can be outrageous.</p><p>By offering you an upgrade its already a bonus.</p><p>When you signed a contract did you at any point consider the possibility of an upgrade within 24 months, and did you ask AT&amp;T if there was an upgrade path? And they they promise you one at XYZ price? If no then as the internets says, STFU.</p><p>Part of your monthly fee is going towards the subsidy that enabled you to get your shiny iphone 3G for cheaper than straight retail unlocked. You signed a fixed contract to do so. How hard is that to understand?</p><p>And let me pose another question: all you people whining about this, is this the first mobile phone contract you have entered into and / or is this the first time you have discussed the in/outs of entering a carrier contract? Never listened to a coworked or friend moan about how they're being gouged? Or read comments (like on slashdot)? OMG the sense of entitlement is killing me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fail to see how making someone adhere to the terms of a voluntary contract can be outrageous.By offering you an upgrade its already a bonus.When you signed a contract did you at any point consider the possibility of an upgrade within 24 months , and did you ask AT&amp;T if there was an upgrade path ?
And they they promise you one at XYZ price ?
If no then as the internets says , STFU.Part of your monthly fee is going towards the subsidy that enabled you to get your shiny iphone 3G for cheaper than straight retail unlocked .
You signed a fixed contract to do so .
How hard is that to understand ? And let me pose another question : all you people whining about this , is this the first mobile phone contract you have entered into and / or is this the first time you have discussed the in/outs of entering a carrier contract ?
Never listened to a coworked or friend moan about how they 're being gouged ?
Or read comments ( like on slashdot ) ?
OMG the sense of entitlement is killing me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fail to see how making someone adhere to the terms of a voluntary contract can be outrageous.By offering you an upgrade its already a bonus.When you signed a contract did you at any point consider the possibility of an upgrade within 24 months, and did you ask AT&amp;T if there was an upgrade path?
And they they promise you one at XYZ price?
If no then as the internets says, STFU.Part of your monthly fee is going towards the subsidy that enabled you to get your shiny iphone 3G for cheaper than straight retail unlocked.
You signed a fixed contract to do so.
How hard is that to understand?And let me pose another question: all you people whining about this, is this the first mobile phone contract you have entered into and / or is this the first time you have discussed the in/outs of entering a carrier contract?
Never listened to a coworked or friend moan about how they're being gouged?
Or read comments (like on slashdot)?
OMG the sense of entitlement is killing me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259695</id>
	<title>Car Analogy</title>
	<author>tiger32kw</author>
	<datestamp>1244470740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had an 08 Honda Accord... when I found out they were coming out with the 09 Honda Accord I was so fucking pissed! I had just spent $20,000 on this thing and they are already coming out with a new one! It was outrageous. I felt like they should have given me the 09 for free (or at least real cheap) so I went to my dealership and got all pissy in their face. They said sorry your logic is dumb.

Alas nothing happened. This is stupid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had an 08 Honda Accord... when I found out they were coming out with the 09 Honda Accord I was so fucking pissed !
I had just spent $ 20,000 on this thing and they are already coming out with a new one !
It was outrageous .
I felt like they should have given me the 09 for free ( or at least real cheap ) so I went to my dealership and got all pissy in their face .
They said sorry your logic is dumb .
Alas nothing happened .
This is stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had an 08 Honda Accord... when I found out they were coming out with the 09 Honda Accord I was so fucking pissed!
I had just spent $20,000 on this thing and they are already coming out with a new one!
It was outrageous.
I felt like they should have given me the 09 for free (or at least real cheap) so I went to my dealership and got all pissy in their face.
They said sorry your logic is dumb.
Alas nothing happened.
This is stupid.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259279</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>anonymousNR</author>
	<datestamp>1244468340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Looking at the first set of comments I am getting a de ja vu of being in youtube.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Looking at the first set of comments I am getting a de ja vu of being in youtube .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looking at the first set of comments I am getting a de ja vu of being in youtube.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259289</id>
	<title>free upgrades????</title>
	<author>Gothmolly</author>
	<datestamp>1244468400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you have an iPhone, and you loaded some apps on it, and you text your friends, and sit in Starbucks and look cool... and AT&amp;T comes out with a cooler one, and you want a freebie or discount upgrade, because<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...... why ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you have an iPhone , and you loaded some apps on it , and you text your friends , and sit in Starbucks and look cool... and AT&amp;T comes out with a cooler one , and you want a freebie or discount upgrade , because ...... why ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you have an iPhone, and you loaded some apps on it, and you text your friends, and sit in Starbucks and look cool... and AT&amp;T comes out with a cooler one, and you want a freebie or discount upgrade, because ...... why ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259197</id>
	<title>BooHoo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244467920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know Apple releases a new phone every year, and you know AT&amp;T makes you sign a 2-year contract. Either pay the higher price for the upgrade or live through the horror of not having the latest shiny product until your contract runs out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know Apple releases a new phone every year , and you know AT&amp;T makes you sign a 2-year contract .
Either pay the higher price for the upgrade or live through the horror of not having the latest shiny product until your contract runs out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know Apple releases a new phone every year, and you know AT&amp;T makes you sign a 2-year contract.
Either pay the higher price for the upgrade or live through the horror of not having the latest shiny product until your contract runs out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259363</id>
	<title>Phone subsidies hurt many things</title>
	<author>btempleton</author>
	<datestamp>1244468820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The U.S. market is dominated by subsidized phones.   Get $200 off a phone, agree to a contract (2 years in US, 3 in Canada) where you pay back a lot more than the $200 credit you were given.    From a business standpoint, of course they are not going to subsidize you faster, at least not as a rule.</p><p>However, this system has hurt the phone market.  It creates higher margins in cell phone retailing (that's why you see so many cell phone stores everywhere) and for handset vendors, but it also requires that phones have annoying subsidy locks that stop you from going easily to other carriers, or putting in other SIMs when overseas -- enabling huge roaming charges.</p><p>It would be better if you could say, "Look, instead of $200 off a phone, if I bring my own phone, will you give me $10/month off my plan if I commit to 2 years?"     Costs the carrier the same, approximately.</p><p>Then we would get more competition in handsets, and less carrier control of handsets too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The U.S. market is dominated by subsidized phones .
Get $ 200 off a phone , agree to a contract ( 2 years in US , 3 in Canada ) where you pay back a lot more than the $ 200 credit you were given .
From a business standpoint , of course they are not going to subsidize you faster , at least not as a rule.However , this system has hurt the phone market .
It creates higher margins in cell phone retailing ( that 's why you see so many cell phone stores everywhere ) and for handset vendors , but it also requires that phones have annoying subsidy locks that stop you from going easily to other carriers , or putting in other SIMs when overseas -- enabling huge roaming charges.It would be better if you could say , " Look , instead of $ 200 off a phone , if I bring my own phone , will you give me $ 10/month off my plan if I commit to 2 years ?
" Costs the carrier the same , approximately.Then we would get more competition in handsets , and less carrier control of handsets too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The U.S. market is dominated by subsidized phones.
Get $200 off a phone, agree to a contract (2 years in US, 3 in Canada) where you pay back a lot more than the $200 credit you were given.
From a business standpoint, of course they are not going to subsidize you faster, at least not as a rule.However, this system has hurt the phone market.
It creates higher margins in cell phone retailing (that's why you see so many cell phone stores everywhere) and for handset vendors, but it also requires that phones have annoying subsidy locks that stop you from going easily to other carriers, or putting in other SIMs when overseas -- enabling huge roaming charges.It would be better if you could say, "Look, instead of $200 off a phone, if I bring my own phone, will you give me $10/month off my plan if I commit to 2 years?
"     Costs the carrier the same, approximately.Then we would get more competition in handsets, and less carrier control of handsets too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28268503</id>
	<title>This is normal -- why are iPhone users so elitist?</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1244572980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When my Palm 700p died last fall, I didn't get all up in Verizon's grill about giving me a new phone. The rule has been the same pretty since wireless companies started -- you get a subsidy on your new phone, whether it's an iPhone  or some disposable Nokia soap-bar phone, in return for signing up for a contract... usually 2-years long. Everyone knows this. iPhone users all upset about no discount on the new model (until their contracts expire) are crybabies, nothing more.</p><p>And if I were inclined to buy an iPhone (which I'm not... maybe an Android phone, we'll see), I could find much more to complain about. How about the fact that, if you're a serious iPhone user, you recharge you iPhone nearly every day, and yet, you'll get only 300-500 charge/discharge cycles out of that sort of Li-Poly cell. That's not going to outlast your contract. Casual users may do better, but I have yet to meet an iPhone user who doesn't charge nearly every day (and I'm surrounded by them, literally).</p><p>There's no case here -- AT&amp;T is doing what every wireless carrier on the planet does. If they budge at all, it would be a business decision... too much bad press, and maybe the rumors of other carriers handling the iPhone soon are true. But I wouldn't hold my breath, and they know very well these guys are pretty much all going to stick with the iPhone, new or old.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When my Palm 700p died last fall , I did n't get all up in Verizon 's grill about giving me a new phone .
The rule has been the same pretty since wireless companies started -- you get a subsidy on your new phone , whether it 's an iPhone or some disposable Nokia soap-bar phone , in return for signing up for a contract... usually 2-years long .
Everyone knows this .
iPhone users all upset about no discount on the new model ( until their contracts expire ) are crybabies , nothing more.And if I were inclined to buy an iPhone ( which I 'm not... maybe an Android phone , we 'll see ) , I could find much more to complain about .
How about the fact that , if you 're a serious iPhone user , you recharge you iPhone nearly every day , and yet , you 'll get only 300-500 charge/discharge cycles out of that sort of Li-Poly cell .
That 's not going to outlast your contract .
Casual users may do better , but I have yet to meet an iPhone user who does n't charge nearly every day ( and I 'm surrounded by them , literally ) .There 's no case here -- AT&amp;T is doing what every wireless carrier on the planet does .
If they budge at all , it would be a business decision... too much bad press , and maybe the rumors of other carriers handling the iPhone soon are true .
But I would n't hold my breath , and they know very well these guys are pretty much all going to stick with the iPhone , new or old .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When my Palm 700p died last fall, I didn't get all up in Verizon's grill about giving me a new phone.
The rule has been the same pretty since wireless companies started -- you get a subsidy on your new phone, whether it's an iPhone  or some disposable Nokia soap-bar phone, in return for signing up for a contract... usually 2-years long.
Everyone knows this.
iPhone users all upset about no discount on the new model (until their contracts expire) are crybabies, nothing more.And if I were inclined to buy an iPhone (which I'm not... maybe an Android phone, we'll see), I could find much more to complain about.
How about the fact that, if you're a serious iPhone user, you recharge you iPhone nearly every day, and yet, you'll get only 300-500 charge/discharge cycles out of that sort of Li-Poly cell.
That's not going to outlast your contract.
Casual users may do better, but I have yet to meet an iPhone user who doesn't charge nearly every day (and I'm surrounded by them, literally).There's no case here -- AT&amp;T is doing what every wireless carrier on the planet does.
If they budge at all, it would be a business decision... too much bad press, and maybe the rumors of other carriers handling the iPhone soon are true.
But I wouldn't hold my breath, and they know very well these guys are pretty much all going to stick with the iPhone, new or old.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28268411</id>
	<title>Poetic justice...</title>
	<author>Pyroja</author>
	<datestamp>1244572560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All of those now stuck with the iPhone 3G are feeling the pain the original iPhone adopters felt last year.

What's better? Those who went with the iPhone when it was first released are about to be done with their 2-year contracts, making them eligible for the steep discounts on the NEW iPhone.

What's worse? This same thing will happen next year when Apple releases the iPhone 4G.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All of those now stuck with the iPhone 3G are feeling the pain the original iPhone adopters felt last year .
What 's better ?
Those who went with the iPhone when it was first released are about to be done with their 2-year contracts , making them eligible for the steep discounts on the NEW iPhone .
What 's worse ?
This same thing will happen next year when Apple releases the iPhone 4G .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of those now stuck with the iPhone 3G are feeling the pain the original iPhone adopters felt last year.
What's better?
Those who went with the iPhone when it was first released are about to be done with their 2-year contracts, making them eligible for the steep discounts on the NEW iPhone.
What's worse?
This same thing will happen next year when Apple releases the iPhone 4G.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259853</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>the\_humeister</author>
	<datestamp>1244471700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What exactly do you consider "obscene" profit margins? If you look at <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=T&amp;annual" title="yahoo.com">AT&amp;T's income statement</a> [yahoo.com], their profit margin is on the order of 10\%. That's not anywhere close to "obscene." For comparison, Microsoft's margins are <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=MSFT&amp;annual" title="yahoo.com">closer to 30\%</a> [yahoo.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What exactly do you consider " obscene " profit margins ?
If you look at AT&amp;T 's income statement [ yahoo.com ] , their profit margin is on the order of 10 \ % .
That 's not anywhere close to " obscene .
" For comparison , Microsoft 's margins are closer to 30 \ % [ yahoo.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly do you consider "obscene" profit margins?
If you look at AT&amp;T's income statement [yahoo.com], their profit margin is on the order of 10\%.
That's not anywhere close to "obscene.
" For comparison, Microsoft's margins are closer to 30\% [yahoo.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28267187</id>
	<title>AT&amp;T is showing anti-iPhone bias</title>
	<author>Fierythrasher</author>
	<datestamp>1244567940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now I can agree with what everyone here is saying "It's a minor upgrade, wait" and "you signed the contract, suck it up" BUT for one thing.  I got the iPhone 3G the night of release.  I checked today and I am eligible for a subsidized renewal for every phone EXCEPT the iPhone 3GS.  AT&amp;T's policy is after *11 months* you can renew and get a cheaper phone.
<p>
EXCEPT for the 3GS.
</p><p>
Now the reason for this is likely that AT&amp;T is getting bent over by Apple and forced to offer a bigger subsidy for the 3GS and they don't WANT to let us upgrade, but if I wanted a Razr or whatever the hell other phone they sell AT&amp;T would give me the FULL, NEW CONTRACT price because it's been 11 months since my last one.
</p><p>
But not the 3GS. THAT is where I cry bullshit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I can agree with what everyone here is saying " It 's a minor upgrade , wait " and " you signed the contract , suck it up " BUT for one thing .
I got the iPhone 3G the night of release .
I checked today and I am eligible for a subsidized renewal for every phone EXCEPT the iPhone 3GS .
AT&amp;T 's policy is after * 11 months * you can renew and get a cheaper phone .
EXCEPT for the 3GS .
Now the reason for this is likely that AT&amp;T is getting bent over by Apple and forced to offer a bigger subsidy for the 3GS and they do n't WANT to let us upgrade , but if I wanted a Razr or whatever the hell other phone they sell AT&amp;T would give me the FULL , NEW CONTRACT price because it 's been 11 months since my last one .
But not the 3GS .
THAT is where I cry bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now I can agree with what everyone here is saying "It's a minor upgrade, wait" and "you signed the contract, suck it up" BUT for one thing.
I got the iPhone 3G the night of release.
I checked today and I am eligible for a subsidized renewal for every phone EXCEPT the iPhone 3GS.
AT&amp;T's policy is after *11 months* you can renew and get a cheaper phone.
EXCEPT for the 3GS.
Now the reason for this is likely that AT&amp;T is getting bent over by Apple and forced to offer a bigger subsidy for the 3GS and they don't WANT to let us upgrade, but if I wanted a Razr or whatever the hell other phone they sell AT&amp;T would give me the FULL, NEW CONTRACT price because it's been 11 months since my last one.
But not the 3GS.
THAT is where I cry bullshit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28269589</id>
	<title>is it unfair???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244576640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have the first generation Iphone that I purchased in march 2009.  I am eligible for the upgrade price of 299 for the 32 gig phone and I really want it.  The only reason I am not getting it is the 10 bucks a month extra for 3g service.  It is not available n my area and I am very, very, very seldom in any area where it is available.  I hate paying for a service that is not available.  Now that is unfair.</p><p>For those who cannot get the discounted price.  At least you will have last years model 3g phone that should get a good price on ebay.  Then you can use the difference to get the newest model.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have the first generation Iphone that I purchased in march 2009 .
I am eligible for the upgrade price of 299 for the 32 gig phone and I really want it .
The only reason I am not getting it is the 10 bucks a month extra for 3g service .
It is not available n my area and I am very , very , very seldom in any area where it is available .
I hate paying for a service that is not available .
Now that is unfair.For those who can not get the discounted price .
At least you will have last years model 3g phone that should get a good price on ebay .
Then you can use the difference to get the newest model .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have the first generation Iphone that I purchased in march 2009.
I am eligible for the upgrade price of 299 for the 32 gig phone and I really want it.
The only reason I am not getting it is the 10 bucks a month extra for 3g service.
It is not available n my area and I am very, very, very seldom in any area where it is available.
I hate paying for a service that is not available.
Now that is unfair.For those who cannot get the discounted price.
At least you will have last years model 3g phone that should get a good price on ebay.
Then you can use the difference to get the newest model.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263823</id>
	<title>in the face of price gouging</title>
	<author>nimbius</author>
	<datestamp>1244552460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>its imperative to see that the Iphone is fundamentally just a communications device.  the network may be powerful but at its luxury pricepoint will you find it useful?  what do you seriously use it for and how is it still benefiting you when youre faced with the inevitability that large corporations burdoned by recessions are leaning on loyal customers for that extra push toward the 4th quarters earnings?<br> <br>whats to stop them from charging 800 or 1000 for next years model?</htmltext>
<tokenext>its imperative to see that the Iphone is fundamentally just a communications device .
the network may be powerful but at its luxury pricepoint will you find it useful ?
what do you seriously use it for and how is it still benefiting you when youre faced with the inevitability that large corporations burdoned by recessions are leaning on loyal customers for that extra push toward the 4th quarters earnings ?
whats to stop them from charging 800 or 1000 for next years model ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>its imperative to see that the Iphone is fundamentally just a communications device.
the network may be powerful but at its luxury pricepoint will you find it useful?
what do you seriously use it for and how is it still benefiting you when youre faced with the inevitability that large corporations burdoned by recessions are leaning on loyal customers for that extra push toward the 4th quarters earnings?
whats to stop them from charging 800 or 1000 for next years model?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28268333</id>
	<title>Re:Or..</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1244572320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can someone explain to me why it is that when it's Apple + AT&amp;T, it becomes an unbearable outrage?</p></div><p>Because, I am sad to say, Mac users seem to be more subject to bursts outrage than normal people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can someone explain to me why it is that when it 's Apple + AT&amp;T , it becomes an unbearable outrage ? Because , I am sad to say , Mac users seem to be more subject to bursts outrage than normal people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can someone explain to me why it is that when it's Apple + AT&amp;T, it becomes an unbearable outrage?Because, I am sad to say, Mac users seem to be more subject to bursts outrage than normal people.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259627</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260035</id>
	<title>no monthly reduction after 2 years = no discount</title>
	<author>teletoca</author>
	<datestamp>1244472900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the phone company is asking me to sign a two year commitment to repay the "discount" they gave me on the phone, after the two year period, shouldn't they then reduce my monthly bill after I've paid back the "discount" ? They don't, so I call bullshit that they were giving me a discount in the first place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the phone company is asking me to sign a two year commitment to repay the " discount " they gave me on the phone , after the two year period , should n't they then reduce my monthly bill after I 've paid back the " discount " ?
They do n't , so I call bullshit that they were giving me a discount in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the phone company is asking me to sign a two year commitment to repay the "discount" they gave me on the phone, after the two year period, shouldn't they then reduce my monthly bill after I've paid back the "discount" ?
They don't, so I call bullshit that they were giving me a discount in the first place.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259317</id>
	<title>Let them wait a year..</title>
	<author>acomj</author>
	<datestamp>1244468580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously.  The oldest iphone out there is just now turning 2 years old.   This new ones an improvement, but not a world changing compared to last years.</p><p>People have so little patience, plus they may change the policy anyway.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
The oldest iphone out there is just now turning 2 years old .
This new ones an improvement , but not a world changing compared to last years.People have so little patience , plus they may change the policy anyway .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
The oldest iphone out there is just now turning 2 years old.
This new ones an improvement, but not a world changing compared to last years.People have so little patience, plus they may change the policy anyway.
 </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260197</id>
	<title>I refuse to pay for high fashion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244473860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I refuse to pay the idiot premium on high fashion items, and that is exactly what Apple's products are.</p><p>Someone that the actual value of the 32GB is $699 so you're still getting a deal.  I bought my Thinkpad Z61e that I'm posting this comment with for $650.   I don't think there is a phone on the planet worth $700.  To even make that excuse is lame.</p><p>I'll stick with whatever device does what I want it too without spending laptop money on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I refuse to pay the idiot premium on high fashion items , and that is exactly what Apple 's products are.Someone that the actual value of the 32GB is $ 699 so you 're still getting a deal .
I bought my Thinkpad Z61e that I 'm posting this comment with for $ 650 .
I do n't think there is a phone on the planet worth $ 700 .
To even make that excuse is lame.I 'll stick with whatever device does what I want it too without spending laptop money on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I refuse to pay the idiot premium on high fashion items, and that is exactly what Apple's products are.Someone that the actual value of the 32GB is $699 so you're still getting a deal.
I bought my Thinkpad Z61e that I'm posting this comment with for $650.
I don't think there is a phone on the planet worth $700.
To even make that excuse is lame.I'll stick with whatever device does what I want it too without spending laptop money on it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259383</id>
	<title>just cancel and renew?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>couldn't you just cancel your two year contract, pay the ETF, and start anew?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>could n't you just cancel your two year contract , pay the ETF , and start anew ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>couldn't you just cancel your two year contract, pay the ETF, and start anew?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28275221</id>
	<title>StarTac redux</title>
	<author>vaporland</author>
	<datestamp>1244568540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Remember when Motorola went from the <a href="http://www.motorola.com/mot/image/2/2912\_MotImage.jpg" title="motorola.com">MicroTac</a> [motorola.com] (which was anything but micro) to the <a href="http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/images/object\_images/535x535/10319047.jpg" title="sciencemuseum.org.uk">StarTac</a> [sciencemuseum.org.uk]?<br> <br>The first StarTacs were $1200. Next gen was $600, then $250, then $99, then they went away, now Motorola is going away too.<br> <br>As far as I am concerned, the StarTac was the height of evolution of the cellular phone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember when Motorola went from the MicroTac [ motorola.com ] ( which was anything but micro ) to the StarTac [ sciencemuseum.org.uk ] ?
The first StarTacs were $ 1200 .
Next gen was $ 600 , then $ 250 , then $ 99 , then they went away , now Motorola is going away too .
As far as I am concerned , the StarTac was the height of evolution of the cellular phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember when Motorola went from the MicroTac [motorola.com] (which was anything but micro) to the StarTac [sciencemuseum.org.uk]?
The first StarTacs were $1200.
Next gen was $600, then $250, then $99, then they went away, now Motorola is going away too.
As far as I am concerned, the StarTac was the height of evolution of the cellular phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28264563</id>
	<title>Buying Apple products is BDSM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244557440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple is a sadist and its customers are masochists. You sign up, you love the product, you'll do anything for another one. Then they tease you, and just when you've given up on it ever coming out, it does. You love your new shiny thing, but it has problems. So you call Apple and hassle them. Now the Slave has the full attention of the Master -- what a glorious moment! But it, too, must end, and the whip comes crashing down with full force. But you beg for more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is a sadist and its customers are masochists .
You sign up , you love the product , you 'll do anything for another one .
Then they tease you , and just when you 've given up on it ever coming out , it does .
You love your new shiny thing , but it has problems .
So you call Apple and hassle them .
Now the Slave has the full attention of the Master -- what a glorious moment !
But it , too , must end , and the whip comes crashing down with full force .
But you beg for more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is a sadist and its customers are masochists.
You sign up, you love the product, you'll do anything for another one.
Then they tease you, and just when you've given up on it ever coming out, it does.
You love your new shiny thing, but it has problems.
So you call Apple and hassle them.
Now the Slave has the full attention of the Master -- what a glorious moment!
But it, too, must end, and the whip comes crashing down with full force.
But you beg for more.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259963</id>
	<title>Half subsidy</title>
	<author>cybereal</author>
	<datestamp>1244472480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually what is being offered is a compromise.  The full retail value of the 32 GB model is $699 not $499.  AT&amp;T is offering those iPhone owners who purchased their 3G upgrade last year, under the terms of a 2 year subsidization contract, the opportunity for a special upgrade at half the subsidization cost.  So, for example, when I bought my iPhone 3G last year on day 1, even though I promised to complete an entire two year contract to cover the major discount offered at the time, I will still be able to restart a new two year contract and be rewarded with a $200 discount.</p><p>So even though those with no further contract obligations (actually, in many cases you can upgrade at full discount after only 18 months of your 24 month contract) and those new purchasers will get a nice $400 discount, I think I'm getting a pretty honest deal with a half discount halfway through the obligation.</p><p>However, many people are clearly confused for various reasons.  One cause is likely that many of these iPhone customers were never smartphone customers before.  These people had no idea just how much money smartphones cost MSRP.  The other part of it is original iPhone (Edge) buyers were not subsidized at all, and when the 3G came around, the offer was presented as though it was a special situation allowing for an early upgrade.  Well that is partly factual, if you wanted to upgrade to any other phone you would not have been able to at only one year.  I find this aspect to be particularly disgusting on AT&amp;T's part, but it's all part of the contract...  At any rate, since there was no subsidization in the original two year contracts for AT&amp;T to cover, it was a no-brainer for them to offer full subsidization to 3G purchasers.</p><p>So ultimately, many people are expecting to get exactly the same full subsidization "special" offer they got with the 3G but there has never once been any promise that they would.</p><p>So I say: If you're not happy with the pricing, don't buy the new phone.  If you feel bad about the whole situation, at least try to fully comprehend what happened and why the 3G's subsidization was not nearly as special as it seemed (AT&amp;T sacrificed zero subsidization from your original contract whereas now they are offering to sacrifice half of the one from the 3G).  It's understandable to be dissatisfied with an offer regardless of the terms, but not understandable for people to go all emo over the terms as though they were somehow owed or promised something else when they obviously weren't.</p><p>For the record, I intend to pick up a 32gb upgrade for $500 because frankly, I was happy to buy the original 8gb for the full original price.  To me it's valuable for the added space alone.  Everyone has to make this decision for themselves obviously but at least have the character to realize you are not being ripped off, and you are not somehow owed a better offer just because you really want the phone.</p><p>
Fandom does not make you special.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually what is being offered is a compromise .
The full retail value of the 32 GB model is $ 699 not $ 499 .
AT&amp;T is offering those iPhone owners who purchased their 3G upgrade last year , under the terms of a 2 year subsidization contract , the opportunity for a special upgrade at half the subsidization cost .
So , for example , when I bought my iPhone 3G last year on day 1 , even though I promised to complete an entire two year contract to cover the major discount offered at the time , I will still be able to restart a new two year contract and be rewarded with a $ 200 discount.So even though those with no further contract obligations ( actually , in many cases you can upgrade at full discount after only 18 months of your 24 month contract ) and those new purchasers will get a nice $ 400 discount , I think I 'm getting a pretty honest deal with a half discount halfway through the obligation.However , many people are clearly confused for various reasons .
One cause is likely that many of these iPhone customers were never smartphone customers before .
These people had no idea just how much money smartphones cost MSRP .
The other part of it is original iPhone ( Edge ) buyers were not subsidized at all , and when the 3G came around , the offer was presented as though it was a special situation allowing for an early upgrade .
Well that is partly factual , if you wanted to upgrade to any other phone you would not have been able to at only one year .
I find this aspect to be particularly disgusting on AT&amp;T 's part , but it 's all part of the contract... At any rate , since there was no subsidization in the original two year contracts for AT&amp;T to cover , it was a no-brainer for them to offer full subsidization to 3G purchasers.So ultimately , many people are expecting to get exactly the same full subsidization " special " offer they got with the 3G but there has never once been any promise that they would.So I say : If you 're not happy with the pricing , do n't buy the new phone .
If you feel bad about the whole situation , at least try to fully comprehend what happened and why the 3G 's subsidization was not nearly as special as it seemed ( AT&amp;T sacrificed zero subsidization from your original contract whereas now they are offering to sacrifice half of the one from the 3G ) .
It 's understandable to be dissatisfied with an offer regardless of the terms , but not understandable for people to go all emo over the terms as though they were somehow owed or promised something else when they obviously were n't.For the record , I intend to pick up a 32gb upgrade for $ 500 because frankly , I was happy to buy the original 8gb for the full original price .
To me it 's valuable for the added space alone .
Everyone has to make this decision for themselves obviously but at least have the character to realize you are not being ripped off , and you are not somehow owed a better offer just because you really want the phone .
Fandom does not make you special .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually what is being offered is a compromise.
The full retail value of the 32 GB model is $699 not $499.
AT&amp;T is offering those iPhone owners who purchased their 3G upgrade last year, under the terms of a 2 year subsidization contract, the opportunity for a special upgrade at half the subsidization cost.
So, for example, when I bought my iPhone 3G last year on day 1, even though I promised to complete an entire two year contract to cover the major discount offered at the time, I will still be able to restart a new two year contract and be rewarded with a $200 discount.So even though those with no further contract obligations (actually, in many cases you can upgrade at full discount after only 18 months of your 24 month contract) and those new purchasers will get a nice $400 discount, I think I'm getting a pretty honest deal with a half discount halfway through the obligation.However, many people are clearly confused for various reasons.
One cause is likely that many of these iPhone customers were never smartphone customers before.
These people had no idea just how much money smartphones cost MSRP.
The other part of it is original iPhone (Edge) buyers were not subsidized at all, and when the 3G came around, the offer was presented as though it was a special situation allowing for an early upgrade.
Well that is partly factual, if you wanted to upgrade to any other phone you would not have been able to at only one year.
I find this aspect to be particularly disgusting on AT&amp;T's part, but it's all part of the contract...  At any rate, since there was no subsidization in the original two year contracts for AT&amp;T to cover, it was a no-brainer for them to offer full subsidization to 3G purchasers.So ultimately, many people are expecting to get exactly the same full subsidization "special" offer they got with the 3G but there has never once been any promise that they would.So I say: If you're not happy with the pricing, don't buy the new phone.
If you feel bad about the whole situation, at least try to fully comprehend what happened and why the 3G's subsidization was not nearly as special as it seemed (AT&amp;T sacrificed zero subsidization from your original contract whereas now they are offering to sacrifice half of the one from the 3G).
It's understandable to be dissatisfied with an offer regardless of the terms, but not understandable for people to go all emo over the terms as though they were somehow owed or promised something else when they obviously weren't.For the record, I intend to pick up a 32gb upgrade for $500 because frankly, I was happy to buy the original 8gb for the full original price.
To me it's valuable for the added space alone.
Everyone has to make this decision for themselves obviously but at least have the character to realize you are not being ripped off, and you are not somehow owed a better offer just because you really want the phone.
Fandom does not make you special.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28266073</id>
	<title>Seriously?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AT&amp;T won't be on board with MMS till fall, will likely charge arms and legs for tethering, and won't be on board with the 7.2 network (faster 3G speeds) until 2011?</p><p>AT&amp;T is the weak link in this chain. I'm betting AT&amp;T gets dropped like...an AT&amp;T call...as soon as Apple sees a better deal. And the new company will likely offer included text messaging, lower-priced unlimited minutes / data plans, better service, and cheaper upgrades.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T wo n't be on board with MMS till fall , will likely charge arms and legs for tethering , and wo n't be on board with the 7.2 network ( faster 3G speeds ) until 2011 ? AT&amp;T is the weak link in this chain .
I 'm betting AT&amp;T gets dropped like...an AT&amp;T call...as soon as Apple sees a better deal .
And the new company will likely offer included text messaging , lower-priced unlimited minutes / data plans , better service , and cheaper upgrades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T won't be on board with MMS till fall, will likely charge arms and legs for tethering, and won't be on board with the 7.2 network (faster 3G speeds) until 2011?AT&amp;T is the weak link in this chain.
I'm betting AT&amp;T gets dropped like...an AT&amp;T call...as soon as Apple sees a better deal.
And the new company will likely offer included text messaging, lower-priced unlimited minutes / data plans, better service, and cheaper upgrades.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28289537</id>
	<title>Wonderful World of Cellery Phones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244657400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to the wonderful world of cellular.</p><p>The fact of the matter is that those phones are heavily discounted and the company hopes for reimbursement after you fulfill a full contract.</p><p>There are formulas to this and it is mostly about the cellery phone companies recouping their expenses for the hardware.</p><p>If you really want to blame someone blame the manufactures for holding the cell phones companies by their 'dice' for pricing.</p><p>One of the worse thing that ever happened in the industry was the free cell phone.</p><p>What I think we should do is pay full retail and let the competition of cell phone companies work out the $$, and sign no contract.  If we do sign a contract it will be for a discount on SERVICE and not on HARDWARE.</p><p>It's not like I work for a cell phone company or anything<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to the wonderful world of cellular.The fact of the matter is that those phones are heavily discounted and the company hopes for reimbursement after you fulfill a full contract.There are formulas to this and it is mostly about the cellery phone companies recouping their expenses for the hardware.If you really want to blame someone blame the manufactures for holding the cell phones companies by their 'dice ' for pricing.One of the worse thing that ever happened in the industry was the free cell phone.What I think we should do is pay full retail and let the competition of cell phone companies work out the $ $ , and sign no contract .
If we do sign a contract it will be for a discount on SERVICE and not on HARDWARE.It 's not like I work for a cell phone company or anything ; P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to the wonderful world of cellular.The fact of the matter is that those phones are heavily discounted and the company hopes for reimbursement after you fulfill a full contract.There are formulas to this and it is mostly about the cellery phone companies recouping their expenses for the hardware.If you really want to blame someone blame the manufactures for holding the cell phones companies by their 'dice' for pricing.One of the worse thing that ever happened in the industry was the free cell phone.What I think we should do is pay full retail and let the competition of cell phone companies work out the $$, and sign no contract.
If we do sign a contract it will be for a discount on SERVICE and not on HARDWARE.It's not like I work for a cell phone company or anything ;P</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28275735</id>
	<title>Pay the Man!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244572500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How ridiculous is all this dribble. If you wanna dance, pay the band. $499 is better than $699. Who the hell needs a compass anyway. I never had one before..... and I'm sure I'll be OK with the 3G anyway!. The new OS will be sweet enough for free!!! Move on! phone people,.... move along now.... By the time the apps come out that make it irresistible you'll be eligible for an upgrade. Don't even start whining about the camera differences. If you need a nice digital camera - they're cheap enough. Deal with it!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.....  It's a phone for God's sake,.....   or else "Pay the Man!,....   Everybody's Gotta Pay the Man"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How ridiculous is all this dribble .
If you wan na dance , pay the band .
$ 499 is better than $ 699 .
Who the hell needs a compass anyway .
I never had one before..... and I 'm sure I 'll be OK with the 3G anyway ! .
The new OS will be sweet enough for free ! ! !
Move on !
phone people,.... move along now.... By the time the apps come out that make it irresistible you 'll be eligible for an upgrade .
Do n't even start whining about the camera differences .
If you need a nice digital camera - they 're cheap enough .
Deal with it !
..... It 's a phone for God 's sake,..... or else " Pay the Man ! ,... .
Everybody 's Got ta Pay the Man "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How ridiculous is all this dribble.
If you wanna dance, pay the band.
$499 is better than $699.
Who the hell needs a compass anyway.
I never had one before..... and I'm sure I'll be OK with the 3G anyway!.
The new OS will be sweet enough for free!!!
Move on!
phone people,.... move along now.... By the time the apps come out that make it irresistible you'll be eligible for an upgrade.
Don't even start whining about the camera differences.
If you need a nice digital camera - they're cheap enough.
Deal with it!
.....  It's a phone for God's sake,.....   or else "Pay the Man!,....
Everybody's Gotta Pay the Man"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259519</id>
	<title>-1 Flamebait</title>
	<author>DaMattster</author>
	<datestamp>1244469660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, I know I am inviting trouble here but I honestly don't mean to start a flame war so much as vent.  I am no fan of AT&amp;T whatsoever as they were/are complicit in illegal wiretapping.  They have a direct feed to Big Brother and this is something that I do not like at all.  The iPhone is just another "bling, bling" gadget and you can really do without it.  I admit, I had withdrawal when I gave up my Blackberry but it freed up more personal time and I began to enjoy life outside of work.  Whatever happened to simplicity in communications?  I have two prepaid phones and still pay "much less" than 1 iPhone plan.  One of the prepaid phones is a house phone for guests to use, the other is mine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , I know I am inviting trouble here but I honestly do n't mean to start a flame war so much as vent .
I am no fan of AT&amp;T whatsoever as they were/are complicit in illegal wiretapping .
They have a direct feed to Big Brother and this is something that I do not like at all .
The iPhone is just another " bling , bling " gadget and you can really do without it .
I admit , I had withdrawal when I gave up my Blackberry but it freed up more personal time and I began to enjoy life outside of work .
Whatever happened to simplicity in communications ?
I have two prepaid phones and still pay " much less " than 1 iPhone plan .
One of the prepaid phones is a house phone for guests to use , the other is mine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, I know I am inviting trouble here but I honestly don't mean to start a flame war so much as vent.
I am no fan of AT&amp;T whatsoever as they were/are complicit in illegal wiretapping.
They have a direct feed to Big Brother and this is something that I do not like at all.
The iPhone is just another "bling, bling" gadget and you can really do without it.
I admit, I had withdrawal when I gave up my Blackberry but it freed up more personal time and I began to enjoy life outside of work.
Whatever happened to simplicity in communications?
I have two prepaid phones and still pay "much less" than 1 iPhone plan.
One of the prepaid phones is a house phone for guests to use, the other is mine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28265327</id>
	<title>Destroying your own point.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244560920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Although I usually have sympathy for "loyal customers" being overlooked in pricing policy (for well-known economic reasons), I had to laugh at this one:</p><p>"... slap in the face to long-time loyal iPhone customers like me who switched from T-Mobile and the only reason was the iPhone...".</p><p>1) If you only switched for the iPhone, then you must have switched in the last 2 years, as the iPhone has only been available since June, 2007 in the US.  Hardly a "long-time" customer.  Given that most cellphone contracts are 2 years long, you are at best an "average" customer.</p><p>2) If you dumped your previous carrier because they did not offer the iPhone, then you are hardly a "loyal" customer.  You seem willing to switch carriers to get the coolest gadgets.  This is not loyalty!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Although I usually have sympathy for " loyal customers " being overlooked in pricing policy ( for well-known economic reasons ) , I had to laugh at this one : " ... slap in the face to long-time loyal iPhone customers like me who switched from T-Mobile and the only reason was the iPhone... " .1 ) If you only switched for the iPhone , then you must have switched in the last 2 years , as the iPhone has only been available since June , 2007 in the US .
Hardly a " long-time " customer .
Given that most cellphone contracts are 2 years long , you are at best an " average " customer.2 ) If you dumped your previous carrier because they did not offer the iPhone , then you are hardly a " loyal " customer .
You seem willing to switch carriers to get the coolest gadgets .
This is not loyalty !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although I usually have sympathy for "loyal customers" being overlooked in pricing policy (for well-known economic reasons), I had to laugh at this one:"... slap in the face to long-time loyal iPhone customers like me who switched from T-Mobile and the only reason was the iPhone...".1) If you only switched for the iPhone, then you must have switched in the last 2 years, as the iPhone has only been available since June, 2007 in the US.
Hardly a "long-time" customer.
Given that most cellphone contracts are 2 years long, you are at best an "average" customer.2) If you dumped your previous carrier because they did not offer the iPhone, then you are hardly a "loyal" customer.
You seem willing to switch carriers to get the coolest gadgets.
This is not loyalty!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259667</id>
	<title>Posting from my iPhone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244470560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there an app yet that I can download for $9.99 that will auto-post on the att.com forums that I am against this policy? Otherwise I'm not going to bother to put down my grande chai tea latte to type anything up myself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there an app yet that I can download for $ 9.99 that will auto-post on the att.com forums that I am against this policy ?
Otherwise I 'm not going to bother to put down my grande chai tea latte to type anything up myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there an app yet that I can download for $9.99 that will auto-post on the att.com forums that I am against this policy?
Otherwise I'm not going to bother to put down my grande chai tea latte to type anything up myself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260737</id>
	<title>So What?</title>
	<author>DarkVillain</author>
	<datestamp>1244476320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bought an AT&amp;T Tilt, had problems, ended up with a Fuze.  Now I find that the Touch HD or the Touch Pro 2 (Fuze 2) will be coming soon.  I can't upgrade to that for the special pricing either.  You can't upgrade phones for special pricing on ANY carrier.  This isn't an AT&amp;T thing, this is an industry thing.  If you don't like it, don't buy a phone with subsidy, pay the full price for it, and then pay the full price when the next model comes out instead.  That's the only way it's going to be "fair".</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought an AT&amp;T Tilt , had problems , ended up with a Fuze .
Now I find that the Touch HD or the Touch Pro 2 ( Fuze 2 ) will be coming soon .
I ca n't upgrade to that for the special pricing either .
You ca n't upgrade phones for special pricing on ANY carrier .
This is n't an AT&amp;T thing , this is an industry thing .
If you do n't like it , do n't buy a phone with subsidy , pay the full price for it , and then pay the full price when the next model comes out instead .
That 's the only way it 's going to be " fair " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought an AT&amp;T Tilt, had problems, ended up with a Fuze.
Now I find that the Touch HD or the Touch Pro 2 (Fuze 2) will be coming soon.
I can't upgrade to that for the special pricing either.
You can't upgrade phones for special pricing on ANY carrier.
This isn't an AT&amp;T thing, this is an industry thing.
If you don't like it, don't buy a phone with subsidy, pay the full price for it, and then pay the full price when the next model comes out instead.
That's the only way it's going to be "fair".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261751</id>
	<title>get over it, cry babies</title>
	<author>the\_wesman</author>
	<datestamp>1244484840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using AT&amp;T now for 10+ years - people complain about them, I've never had an issue - maybe I could pay a little less, or have one or two minor things better, but they've always worked for me - I pay my bill on time and when I hit "send" the call connects - then, the iphone showed up and I wanted one and I got to have it - yay - I stood in line for one june 29, 2007 - they sold out of 8GB ones, so I bought the 4GB - I still have it - I wanted the 3G, but the app store &amp; 2.0 firmware alone last summer were the big sellers, so I skipped that generation - it's now been 2 years and I'm eligible for an upgrade - this is the way it's always been with AT&amp;T - stick around, and you'll get a deal, but you don't get discounts every time you ask for one - is that a huge loss? not really.  if you have a 3G already, ask yourself how badly you want the 3GS features - if you want them badly enough, pay for them - if not, then wait - it's only 1 year out of your life in which you'll still have a super cool phone - you'll be fine</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using AT&amp;T now for 10 + years - people complain about them , I 've never had an issue - maybe I could pay a little less , or have one or two minor things better , but they 've always worked for me - I pay my bill on time and when I hit " send " the call connects - then , the iphone showed up and I wanted one and I got to have it - yay - I stood in line for one june 29 , 2007 - they sold out of 8GB ones , so I bought the 4GB - I still have it - I wanted the 3G , but the app store &amp; 2.0 firmware alone last summer were the big sellers , so I skipped that generation - it 's now been 2 years and I 'm eligible for an upgrade - this is the way it 's always been with AT&amp;T - stick around , and you 'll get a deal , but you do n't get discounts every time you ask for one - is that a huge loss ?
not really .
if you have a 3G already , ask yourself how badly you want the 3GS features - if you want them badly enough , pay for them - if not , then wait - it 's only 1 year out of your life in which you 'll still have a super cool phone - you 'll be fine</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using AT&amp;T now for 10+ years - people complain about them, I've never had an issue - maybe I could pay a little less, or have one or two minor things better, but they've always worked for me - I pay my bill on time and when I hit "send" the call connects - then, the iphone showed up and I wanted one and I got to have it - yay - I stood in line for one june 29, 2007 - they sold out of 8GB ones, so I bought the 4GB - I still have it - I wanted the 3G, but the app store &amp; 2.0 firmware alone last summer were the big sellers, so I skipped that generation - it's now been 2 years and I'm eligible for an upgrade - this is the way it's always been with AT&amp;T - stick around, and you'll get a deal, but you don't get discounts every time you ask for one - is that a huge loss?
not really.
if you have a 3G already, ask yourself how badly you want the 3GS features - if you want them badly enough, pay for them - if not, then wait - it's only 1 year out of your life in which you'll still have a super cool phone - you'll be fine</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261179</id>
	<title>i can explain it</title>
	<author>Gary W. Longsine</author>
	<datestamp>1244479260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's because it generates more ad revenue for web sites like Slashdot, Gizmodo, Engadget, et al.  Stories like this about the latest Nokia wouldn't generate any traffic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's because it generates more ad revenue for web sites like Slashdot , Gizmodo , Engadget , et al .
Stories like this about the latest Nokia would n't generate any traffic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's because it generates more ad revenue for web sites like Slashdot, Gizmodo, Engadget, et al.
Stories like this about the latest Nokia wouldn't generate any traffic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259627</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259811</id>
	<title>this is why we can't have nice things</title>
	<author>saiha</author>
	<datestamp>1244471400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a sickening sense of entitlement. I have an iPhone (1st gen) and I'm going to get this upgrade but I probably wouldn't if I had the 3G already.</p><p>Anyway without spending a dime on a new phone everyone will get the software v3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a sickening sense of entitlement .
I have an iPhone ( 1st gen ) and I 'm going to get this upgrade but I probably would n't if I had the 3G already.Anyway without spending a dime on a new phone everyone will get the software v3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a sickening sense of entitlement.
I have an iPhone (1st gen) and I'm going to get this upgrade but I probably wouldn't if I had the 3G already.Anyway without spending a dime on a new phone everyone will get the software v3.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263533</id>
	<title>Re:I am incredibly upset about this.</title>
	<author>Registered Coward v2</author>
	<datestamp>1244549160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Things I'm also upset about:</p><p>No more free lunches.
Gas costing more than $0.05 a gallon.
Having to walk more than three feet from my car to my local superstore.
The fact that I wasn't born in a time where peace was on earth, everything is free, and we're all immortal.</p><p>I'm so angry that I'm punching a wall and hoping someone will pay for its repair as we speak.</p></div><p>You need to upgrade to Life2.0.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Things I 'm also upset about : No more free lunches .
Gas costing more than $ 0.05 a gallon .
Having to walk more than three feet from my car to my local superstore .
The fact that I was n't born in a time where peace was on earth , everything is free , and we 're all immortal.I 'm so angry that I 'm punching a wall and hoping someone will pay for its repair as we speak.You need to upgrade to Life2.0 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Things I'm also upset about:No more free lunches.
Gas costing more than $0.05 a gallon.
Having to walk more than three feet from my car to my local superstore.
The fact that I wasn't born in a time where peace was on earth, everything is free, and we're all immortal.I'm so angry that I'm punching a wall and hoping someone will pay for its repair as we speak.You need to upgrade to Life2.0.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259237</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259677</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>rirugrat</author>
	<datestamp>1244470620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>...and don't fucking enter another one like it again.</b>
<br>
<br>
I didn't know Ballmer owned an iPhone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and do n't fucking enter another one like it again .
I did n't know Ballmer owned an iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and don't fucking enter another one like it again.
I didn't know Ballmer owned an iPhone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28264527</id>
	<title>This is not the iphone you're looking for</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244557320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a modest upgrade, at best. The new features are nothing that apps don't already cover and the design difference is... what? Is there one? It's a ploy to get those last holdouts to come to the white side. The real upgrade will be the next one. Which will be out just in time for your contract. It ALWAYS works this way with apple. Never buy the first model, let them work out the bugs and develop the design (ask anyone who bought a 1st gen ipod), skip the minor upgrade and wait for the big leap in technology. Buy new toy. Be happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a modest upgrade , at best .
The new features are nothing that apps do n't already cover and the design difference is... what ? Is there one ?
It 's a ploy to get those last holdouts to come to the white side .
The real upgrade will be the next one .
Which will be out just in time for your contract .
It ALWAYS works this way with apple .
Never buy the first model , let them work out the bugs and develop the design ( ask anyone who bought a 1st gen ipod ) , skip the minor upgrade and wait for the big leap in technology .
Buy new toy .
Be happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a modest upgrade, at best.
The new features are nothing that apps don't already cover and the design difference is... what? Is there one?
It's a ploy to get those last holdouts to come to the white side.
The real upgrade will be the next one.
Which will be out just in time for your contract.
It ALWAYS works this way with apple.
Never buy the first model, let them work out the bugs and develop the design (ask anyone who bought a 1st gen ipod), skip the minor upgrade and wait for the big leap in technology.
Buy new toy.
Be happy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28266583</id>
	<title>Why is this even a discussion?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244566080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mean, so what if you have to pay the extra for the phone.  You know how you make that back? sell your old one on craigslist, and quit complaining.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , so what if you have to pay the extra for the phone .
You know how you make that back ?
sell your old one on craigslist , and quit complaining .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, so what if you have to pay the extra for the phone.
You know how you make that back?
sell your old one on craigslist, and quit complaining.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259221</id>
	<title>Pay uuuuup, shut uuuuup</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pay them dammit, pay them now!</p><p>Steve "Da Skinny Bopper" Jobs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pay them dammit , pay them now ! Steve " Da Skinny Bopper " Jobs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pay them dammit, pay them now!Steve "Da Skinny Bopper" Jobs</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259619</id>
	<title>boo fuckin hoo!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244470260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I waited for the 3g and now I can't get the new one?  BOO FUCKING HOO!!  Quit your fucking whining and suck it up like the rest of us.  Fucking jackasses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I waited for the 3g and now I ca n't get the new one ?
BOO FUCKING HOO ! !
Quit your fucking whining and suck it up like the rest of us .
Fucking jackasses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I waited for the 3g and now I can't get the new one?
BOO FUCKING HOO!!
Quit your fucking whining and suck it up like the rest of us.
Fucking jackasses.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259835</id>
	<title>Same with RIM...its called a contract.</title>
	<author>malcreado</author>
	<datestamp>1244471580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Blackberry did the same thing with the storm.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Blackberry did the same thing with the storm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blackberry did the same thing with the storm.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259423</id>
	<title>Re:iPhone Users?</title>
	<author>jabberw0k</author>
	<datestamp>1244469120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear Ferrari, I bought a brand new Ferrari last year and this year you have a new model available, but I'm still stuck paying for the old one!  Waaah!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... what a bunch of spoilt little brats some apple users must be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Ferrari , I bought a brand new Ferrari last year and this year you have a new model available , but I 'm still stuck paying for the old one !
Waaah ! ... what a bunch of spoilt little brats some apple users must be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Ferrari, I bought a brand new Ferrari last year and this year you have a new model available, but I'm still stuck paying for the old one!
Waaah! ... what a bunch of spoilt little brats some apple users must be.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259213</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260505</id>
	<title>Re:Or..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244475180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sprint used to let you upgrade in mid-contract as long as you re-upped the contract.  Last I checked, they at least let you get the discounted price when the contract ran out, rather than having to wait some additional time *after* the contract expired (as AT&amp;T does).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sprint used to let you upgrade in mid-contract as long as you re-upped the contract .
Last I checked , they at least let you get the discounted price when the contract ran out , rather than having to wait some additional time * after * the contract expired ( as AT&amp;T does ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sprint used to let you upgrade in mid-contract as long as you re-upped the contract.
Last I checked, they at least let you get the discounted price when the contract ran out, rather than having to wait some additional time *after* the contract expired (as AT&amp;T does).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259627</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259231</id>
	<title>Who cares 1st thing to mind, 2nd boo-hoo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's standard cell carrier policy, only give discounts when your contract is either expired, or close to expired, in order to bait you into extending it.</p><p>They make up for the *loss* (note, there is NO loss, it's just a reduced markup / profit on the phone) in their overpriced charging model, for minutes used, data transmitted, text-messages sent/received, etc.. drekcetera...</p><p>The end of the posting says it pretty well...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's standard cell carrier policy , only give discounts when your contract is either expired , or close to expired , in order to bait you into extending it.They make up for the * loss * ( note , there is NO loss , it 's just a reduced markup / profit on the phone ) in their overpriced charging model , for minutes used , data transmitted , text-messages sent/received , etc.. drekcetera...The end of the posting says it pretty well.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's standard cell carrier policy, only give discounts when your contract is either expired, or close to expired, in order to bait you into extending it.They make up for the *loss* (note, there is NO loss, it's just a reduced markup / profit on the phone) in their overpriced charging model, for minutes used, data transmitted, text-messages sent/received, etc.. drekcetera...The end of the posting says it pretty well...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260923</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>natemc</author>
	<datestamp>1244477400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do they give corporate discounts that are well below that. For example I get 22\% off my monthly bill.

Does that mean they lose 12\% every month to have me as a customer? I doubt it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do they give corporate discounts that are well below that .
For example I get 22 \ % off my monthly bill .
Does that mean they lose 12 \ % every month to have me as a customer ?
I doubt it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do they give corporate discounts that are well below that.
For example I get 22\% off my monthly bill.
Does that mean they lose 12\% every month to have me as a customer?
I doubt it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259715</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259447</id>
	<title>Whine all you want.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244469240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know you will pay it..   You'll bitch the entire time..  BUT you will still give them money.</p><p>Wont you.  at&amp;t knows it too.   bitch bitch bitch bitch and still pay the hugely inflated price for a PHONE..  they've got you pegged dead on.  you trendy little yuppie geek.</p><p>Now stfu and go get your checkbook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know you will pay it.. You 'll bitch the entire time.. BUT you will still give them money.Wont you .
at&amp;t knows it too .
bitch bitch bitch bitch and still pay the hugely inflated price for a PHONE.. they 've got you pegged dead on .
you trendy little yuppie geek.Now stfu and go get your checkbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know you will pay it..   You'll bitch the entire time..  BUT you will still give them money.Wont you.
at&amp;t knows it too.
bitch bitch bitch bitch and still pay the hugely inflated price for a PHONE..  they've got you pegged dead on.
you trendy little yuppie geek.Now stfu and go get your checkbook.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259593</id>
	<title>Customers?</title>
	<author>aaandre</author>
	<datestamp>1244470020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The shareholders are the customers. Service subscribers (you) are the product. Your only power is to vote with your dollar, by the numbers.</p><p>Know your place, know your options.</p><p>Oh, and apple product update cycles are pretty predictable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The shareholders are the customers .
Service subscribers ( you ) are the product .
Your only power is to vote with your dollar , by the numbers.Know your place , know your options.Oh , and apple product update cycles are pretty predictable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The shareholders are the customers.
Service subscribers (you) are the product.
Your only power is to vote with your dollar, by the numbers.Know your place, know your options.Oh, and apple product update cycles are pretty predictable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28269223</id>
	<title>Re:Slap in the face? WTF?</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1244575440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Katrina? 9/11? Dot-com bubble?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Katrina ?
9/11 ? Dot-com bubble ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Katrina?
9/11? Dot-com bubble?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259255</id>
	<title>Am I missing something?</title>
	<author>Donniedarkness</author>
	<datestamp>1244468160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They have a policy that says that if you're a new customer, you get a discount...<p>They also have a policy that allows you to upgrade your phone at a discounted price after a certain amount of time.</p><p>If I'm not mistaken, they've done this for a while, now... and so does Verizon. How does the iPhone have anything to do over this? Sounds to me like someone is just mad that they'll have to wait for their upgrade.</p><p>Not saying that longtime customers shouldn't get a discount or anything... just that this shouldn't surprise anyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have a policy that says that if you 're a new customer , you get a discount...They also have a policy that allows you to upgrade your phone at a discounted price after a certain amount of time.If I 'm not mistaken , they 've done this for a while , now... and so does Verizon .
How does the iPhone have anything to do over this ?
Sounds to me like someone is just mad that they 'll have to wait for their upgrade.Not saying that longtime customers should n't get a discount or anything... just that this should n't surprise anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have a policy that says that if you're a new customer, you get a discount...They also have a policy that allows you to upgrade your phone at a discounted price after a certain amount of time.If I'm not mistaken, they've done this for a while, now... and so does Verizon.
How does the iPhone have anything to do over this?
Sounds to me like someone is just mad that they'll have to wait for their upgrade.Not saying that longtime customers shouldn't get a discount or anything... just that this shouldn't surprise anyone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259309</id>
	<title>No sympathy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No sympathy from me... Apple fanboys deserve to be slapped, especially so by Apple itself....</p><p>keep up the face slapping</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No sympathy from me... Apple fanboys deserve to be slapped , especially so by Apple itself....keep up the face slapping</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No sympathy from me... Apple fanboys deserve to be slapped, especially so by Apple itself....keep up the face slapping</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259265</id>
	<title>This is nothing new.</title>
	<author>JimXugle</author>
	<datestamp>1244468220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you had an Original Motorola RAZR and you wanted a new one, you had to pay full price.</p><p>I fail to see the issue here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you had an Original Motorola RAZR and you wanted a new one , you had to pay full price.I fail to see the issue here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you had an Original Motorola RAZR and you wanted a new one, you had to pay full price.I fail to see the issue here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260129</id>
	<title>Not FAIR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244473500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Mom...It's not fair.!.!.! His phone is newer than mine. It has a compass! Call AT&amp;T and demand that they give me the new phone at a discount. You will, like, buy it for me, right, even if they don't give me the discount."</p><p>Mom, "Of course Dear."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Mom...It 's not fair. ! . ! . !
His phone is newer than mine .
It has a compass !
Call AT&amp;T and demand that they give me the new phone at a discount .
You will , like , buy it for me , right , even if they do n't give me the discount .
" Mom , " Of course Dear .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Mom...It's not fair.!.!.!
His phone is newer than mine.
It has a compass!
Call AT&amp;T and demand that they give me the new phone at a discount.
You will, like, buy it for me, right, even if they don't give me the discount.
"Mom, "Of course Dear.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28264133</id>
	<title>same high price for double the bandwidth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244554980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The glass definitely just got half emptied for those of us who just bought 3G phones. So, it seems to me the current owners of iPhone 3G are going to be stuck paying the same high price for data as the 3GS customers, but the 3GS-ers are getting double the bandwidth for their money, correct? How fucked up are all of you who call this fair? This is why we can't get a good national health care plan in this country, because of morons like you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The glass definitely just got half emptied for those of us who just bought 3G phones .
So , it seems to me the current owners of iPhone 3G are going to be stuck paying the same high price for data as the 3GS customers , but the 3GS-ers are getting double the bandwidth for their money , correct ?
How fucked up are all of you who call this fair ?
This is why we ca n't get a good national health care plan in this country , because of morons like you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The glass definitely just got half emptied for those of us who just bought 3G phones.
So, it seems to me the current owners of iPhone 3G are going to be stuck paying the same high price for data as the 3GS customers, but the 3GS-ers are getting double the bandwidth for their money, correct?
How fucked up are all of you who call this fair?
This is why we can't get a good national health care plan in this country, because of morons like you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261735</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244484720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought the new policy was going to save me when my wife's iphone broke last fall.  Except that when I read AT&amp;T's announcement I found this:</p><p>San Antonio, Texas, March 31, 2008<br>Beginning on May 25, the company's new and renewing wireless customers who enter into one- or two-year service agreements will no longer be required to pay a single, flat early termination fee. Instead, that fee, which is $175, will be progressively lowered by $5 during each month, every month, for the term of the contract. (The single, flat ETF will continue to apply to new and renewing customers who enter into one- or two-year service agreements prior to May 25.)</p><p>So, for everyone who bought an iphone in the last 2 weeks the termination fee is only $175!  The rest of us still have to pay what was on the contract the day we signed it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought the new policy was going to save me when my wife 's iphone broke last fall .
Except that when I read AT&amp;T 's announcement I found this : San Antonio , Texas , March 31 , 2008Beginning on May 25 , the company 's new and renewing wireless customers who enter into one- or two-year service agreements will no longer be required to pay a single , flat early termination fee .
Instead , that fee , which is $ 175 , will be progressively lowered by $ 5 during each month , every month , for the term of the contract .
( The single , flat ETF will continue to apply to new and renewing customers who enter into one- or two-year service agreements prior to May 25 .
) So , for everyone who bought an iphone in the last 2 weeks the termination fee is only $ 175 !
The rest of us still have to pay what was on the contract the day we signed it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought the new policy was going to save me when my wife's iphone broke last fall.
Except that when I read AT&amp;T's announcement I found this:San Antonio, Texas, March 31, 2008Beginning on May 25, the company's new and renewing wireless customers who enter into one- or two-year service agreements will no longer be required to pay a single, flat early termination fee.
Instead, that fee, which is $175, will be progressively lowered by $5 during each month, every month, for the term of the contract.
(The single, flat ETF will continue to apply to new and renewing customers who enter into one- or two-year service agreements prior to May 25.
)So, for everyone who bought an iphone in the last 2 weeks the termination fee is only $175!
The rest of us still have to pay what was on the contract the day we signed it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259907</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261793</id>
	<title>I'd like a large STFU with a side of boo hoo.</title>
	<author>Moofie</author>
	<datestamp>1244485200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought a 3G iPhone six months ago, and magically next Wednesday it's going to become a lot more capable.  Anybody who thought that the iPhone they bought was going to be The Gold Standard for the two years of their contract is a freakin' moron.</p><p>No buyer's remorse here.  My phone's great, I don't need a new one, and the one I'll get someday in the future will be even better.  There is no problem here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought a 3G iPhone six months ago , and magically next Wednesday it 's going to become a lot more capable .
Anybody who thought that the iPhone they bought was going to be The Gold Standard for the two years of their contract is a freakin ' moron.No buyer 's remorse here .
My phone 's great , I do n't need a new one , and the one I 'll get someday in the future will be even better .
There is no problem here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought a 3G iPhone six months ago, and magically next Wednesday it's going to become a lot more capable.
Anybody who thought that the iPhone they bought was going to be The Gold Standard for the two years of their contract is a freakin' moron.No buyer's remorse here.
My phone's great, I don't need a new one, and the one I'll get someday in the future will be even better.
There is no problem here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260039</id>
	<title>Re:Unsubsidized?</title>
	<author>harlows\_monkeys</author>
	<datestamp>1244472900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> Yeah, that would make sense if paying the 'unsubsidized' $400 didn't extend the contract by 2 years. I have an iPhone 3G with a broken screen, but I'm not paying $400 and giving AT&amp;T my nutsack as well</p></div></blockquote><ol>
<li>Go buy an unsubsidized iPhone somewhere.</li><li>Take out the SIM from your broken iPhone.</li><li>Put it in the new iPhone.</li></ol><p>Congratulations! You have a new phone without an extension on your contract.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , that would make sense if paying the 'unsubsidized ' $ 400 did n't extend the contract by 2 years .
I have an iPhone 3G with a broken screen , but I 'm not paying $ 400 and giving AT&amp;T my nutsack as well Go buy an unsubsidized iPhone somewhere.Take out the SIM from your broken iPhone.Put it in the new iPhone.Congratulations !
You have a new phone without an extension on your contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Yeah, that would make sense if paying the 'unsubsidized' $400 didn't extend the contract by 2 years.
I have an iPhone 3G with a broken screen, but I'm not paying $400 and giving AT&amp;T my nutsack as well
Go buy an unsubsidized iPhone somewhere.Take out the SIM from your broken iPhone.Put it in the new iPhone.Congratulations!
You have a new phone without an extension on your contract.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259297</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263575</id>
	<title>To parody Steve Martin in "The Jerk"</title>
	<author>pbrooks100</author>
	<datestamp>1244549580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The new iPhones are here! The new iPhones are here!"</p><p>I bought a Ford Mustang years ago, and then Ford had the nerve to introduce a redesigned model, with fuel injection and a CD player. I used Ford Credit, but they wouldn't exchange my old car for the new model, and my year old car was only worth HALF of what I payed for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The new iPhones are here !
The new iPhones are here !
" I bought a Ford Mustang years ago , and then Ford had the nerve to introduce a redesigned model , with fuel injection and a CD player .
I used Ford Credit , but they would n't exchange my old car for the new model , and my year old car was only worth HALF of what I payed for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The new iPhones are here!
The new iPhones are here!
"I bought a Ford Mustang years ago, and then Ford had the nerve to introduce a redesigned model, with fuel injection and a CD player.
I used Ford Credit, but they wouldn't exchange my old car for the new model, and my year old car was only worth HALF of what I payed for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260369</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>ewolfr</author>
	<datestamp>1244474580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, you will get assigned a new number because it's a new account. I think you need to wait 60 or 90 days before a number gets freed in the system and you can select it if available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you will get assigned a new number because it 's a new account .
I think you need to wait 60 or 90 days before a number gets freed in the system and you can select it if available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you will get assigned a new number because it's a new account.
I think you need to wait 60 or 90 days before a number gets freed in the system and you can select it if available.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260089</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261759</id>
	<title>Re:BooHoo</title>
	<author>MikeBabcock</author>
	<datestamp>1244484900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are several companies I can think of with lower profit margins than this.  Oil and gas <em>retailers</em> come to mind, with profit margins well under 5\% most of the year, but often healthy profits due to huge volume.</p><p>Volume makes all the difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are several companies I can think of with lower profit margins than this .
Oil and gas retailers come to mind , with profit margins well under 5 \ % most of the year , but often healthy profits due to huge volume.Volume makes all the difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are several companies I can think of with lower profit margins than this.
Oil and gas retailers come to mind, with profit margins well under 5\% most of the year, but often healthy profits due to huge volume.Volume makes all the difference.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259715</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262919</id>
	<title>Re:Me too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244541240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sticky keyboard, eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sticky keyboard , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sticky keyboard, eh?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260203</id>
	<title>Why AT&amp;T customers should REALLY be pissed off</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244473860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AT&amp;T is dragging its feet in implementing MMS, so that new feature will not be ready at launch for AT&amp;T customers in the US.  Not only that, but AT&amp;T is also not going to implement tethering (at least for the time being) for US cusotmers.  Just wait for AT&amp;T to ass rape you on tethering prices when that feature is also supported.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T is dragging its feet in implementing MMS , so that new feature will not be ready at launch for AT&amp;T customers in the US .
Not only that , but AT&amp;T is also not going to implement tethering ( at least for the time being ) for US cusotmers .
Just wait for AT&amp;T to ass rape you on tethering prices when that feature is also supported .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T is dragging its feet in implementing MMS, so that new feature will not be ready at launch for AT&amp;T customers in the US.
Not only that, but AT&amp;T is also not going to implement tethering (at least for the time being) for US cusotmers.
Just wait for AT&amp;T to ass rape you on tethering prices when that feature is also supported.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259691</id>
	<title>This is me...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244470740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... playing the <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Playing\%20the\%20world's\%20saddest\%20song\%20on\%20the\%20world's\%20smallest\%20violin" title="urbandictionary.com" rel="nofollow"> world's smallest violin.</a> [urbandictionary.com]</p><p>Hey, wait! There's an <a href="http://www.ipockettranslator.com/worlds-smallest-violin" title="ipockettranslator.com" rel="nofollow">app for that!</a> [ipockettranslator.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... playing the world 's smallest violin .
[ urbandictionary.com ] Hey , wait !
There 's an app for that !
[ ipockettranslator.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... playing the  world's smallest violin.
[urbandictionary.com]Hey, wait!
There's an app for that!
[ipockettranslator.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28263983</id>
	<title>duh....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244553900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple customers (slaves) are spoiled babies that need to be held and coddled 24/7 !  Every mobile phone company I'm aware of has a two year policy to qualify for an upgrade discount. It's a loss leader to attract new business &amp; subscribers. I'm with Verizon and get the discount phone every two years. You can't cry and whine every time they come out with a shiny new toy! You knew this when you got it, suck it up...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple customers ( slaves ) are spoiled babies that need to be held and coddled 24/7 !
Every mobile phone company I 'm aware of has a two year policy to qualify for an upgrade discount .
It 's a loss leader to attract new business &amp; subscribers .
I 'm with Verizon and get the discount phone every two years .
You ca n't cry and whine every time they come out with a shiny new toy !
You knew this when you got it , suck it up.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple customers (slaves) are spoiled babies that need to be held and coddled 24/7 !
Every mobile phone company I'm aware of has a two year policy to qualify for an upgrade discount.
It's a loss leader to attract new business &amp; subscribers.
I'm with Verizon and get the discount phone every two years.
You can't cry and whine every time they come out with a shiny new toy!
You knew this when you got it, suck it up...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259465</id>
	<title>Why not just add to your term</title>
	<author>Plug</author>
	<datestamp>1244469300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not work it like this:</p><ul> <li>2008: you buy a phone on a 2 year contract (expiring in 2010)</li><li>2009: you want a new phone, they still need a 2 year billing commitment. So, add that time to your current contract.  Now you have two phones and a contractual obligation until 2012.</li></ul><p>Rinse, renew, add another two years every time.  They could even make you trade the old phone in.</p><p>Alas, companies are so much more interested in new customers than keeping the current ones happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not work it like this : 2008 : you buy a phone on a 2 year contract ( expiring in 2010 ) 2009 : you want a new phone , they still need a 2 year billing commitment .
So , add that time to your current contract .
Now you have two phones and a contractual obligation until 2012.Rinse , renew , add another two years every time .
They could even make you trade the old phone in.Alas , companies are so much more interested in new customers than keeping the current ones happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not work it like this: 2008: you buy a phone on a 2 year contract (expiring in 2010)2009: you want a new phone, they still need a 2 year billing commitment.
So, add that time to your current contract.
Now you have two phones and a contractual obligation until 2012.Rinse, renew, add another two years every time.
They could even make you trade the old phone in.Alas, companies are so much more interested in new customers than keeping the current ones happy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259285</id>
	<title>They Subsidized the Old Phone</title>
	<author>geoffrobinson</author>
	<datestamp>1244468340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They subsidized the old phone on the condition of a two-year contract. Before those terms are up, which you agreed to, you want them to subsidize a new phone?</p><p>Well, if you are breaking the contract cough up the money from the last contract. That would be fair. And probably about $200 anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They subsidized the old phone on the condition of a two-year contract .
Before those terms are up , which you agreed to , you want them to subsidize a new phone ? Well , if you are breaking the contract cough up the money from the last contract .
That would be fair .
And probably about $ 200 anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They subsidized the old phone on the condition of a two-year contract.
Before those terms are up, which you agreed to, you want them to subsidize a new phone?Well, if you are breaking the contract cough up the money from the last contract.
That would be fair.
And probably about $200 anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260137</id>
	<title>Oh JEEZ! Quit your bitching, babies!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244473560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All you whiny bastards complaining about the cost of the upgrade, keep whining long enough and you'll get exactly what you want: Instead of the subsidized $200.00 price tag for an iPhone, you'll pay $600.00. Sure, you won't be LOCKED IN to a contact (OMG! The HORROR of paying for a service you ASKED FOR), but you'll also NEVER get that sweet discount that you're now bitching that you only get once every two years.</p><p>I've got an iPhone 3G. Sure, I want the 3GS. Heck, I want one badly. But I knew when I signed on that in exchange for my 2-year commitment, AT&amp;T was paying for $400.00 of my $600.00 phone. And you whiny bitches knew it too! Stop being such pansy-ass titty babies and own up to the fact that someone paid $400.00 of your purchase, and now you're pissing and moaning because they won't do it again when you're SPECIFICALLY begging them to do it so you can fail to honor your end of the deal you signed.</p><p>Me, I'll wait for next June. There'll be an even cooler iPhone then, I'll be out of my contract, and you know what? I'll happily let AT&amp;T pay $400.00 of the cost of THAT phone in exchange for agreeing to hang around using the coolest piece of consumer electronics I've ever handled.</p><p>Sheesh... you all know you're bitching out of your asses. Man up and respect your end of the deal you KNEW you were signing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All you whiny bastards complaining about the cost of the upgrade , keep whining long enough and you 'll get exactly what you want : Instead of the subsidized $ 200.00 price tag for an iPhone , you 'll pay $ 600.00 .
Sure , you wo n't be LOCKED IN to a contact ( OMG !
The HORROR of paying for a service you ASKED FOR ) , but you 'll also NEVER get that sweet discount that you 're now bitching that you only get once every two years.I 've got an iPhone 3G .
Sure , I want the 3GS .
Heck , I want one badly .
But I knew when I signed on that in exchange for my 2-year commitment , AT&amp;T was paying for $ 400.00 of my $ 600.00 phone .
And you whiny bitches knew it too !
Stop being such pansy-ass titty babies and own up to the fact that someone paid $ 400.00 of your purchase , and now you 're pissing and moaning because they wo n't do it again when you 're SPECIFICALLY begging them to do it so you can fail to honor your end of the deal you signed.Me , I 'll wait for next June .
There 'll be an even cooler iPhone then , I 'll be out of my contract , and you know what ?
I 'll happily let AT&amp;T pay $ 400.00 of the cost of THAT phone in exchange for agreeing to hang around using the coolest piece of consumer electronics I 've ever handled.Sheesh... you all know you 're bitching out of your asses .
Man up and respect your end of the deal you KNEW you were signing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All you whiny bastards complaining about the cost of the upgrade, keep whining long enough and you'll get exactly what you want: Instead of the subsidized $200.00 price tag for an iPhone, you'll pay $600.00.
Sure, you won't be LOCKED IN to a contact (OMG!
The HORROR of paying for a service you ASKED FOR), but you'll also NEVER get that sweet discount that you're now bitching that you only get once every two years.I've got an iPhone 3G.
Sure, I want the 3GS.
Heck, I want one badly.
But I knew when I signed on that in exchange for my 2-year commitment, AT&amp;T was paying for $400.00 of my $600.00 phone.
And you whiny bitches knew it too!
Stop being such pansy-ass titty babies and own up to the fact that someone paid $400.00 of your purchase, and now you're pissing and moaning because they won't do it again when you're SPECIFICALLY begging them to do it so you can fail to honor your end of the deal you signed.Me, I'll wait for next June.
There'll be an even cooler iPhone then, I'll be out of my contract, and you know what?
I'll happily let AT&amp;T pay $400.00 of the cost of THAT phone in exchange for agreeing to hang around using the coolest piece of consumer electronics I've ever handled.Sheesh... you all know you're bitching out of your asses.
Man up and respect your end of the deal you KNEW you were signing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259203</id>
	<title>Or..</title>
	<author>Wovel</author>
	<datestamp>1244467980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How every other carrier and every other phone works.  Just because they were generous when the 3G came out, does not obligate them to do so again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How every other carrier and every other phone works .
Just because they were generous when the 3G came out , does not obligate them to do so again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How every other carrier and every other phone works.
Just because they were generous when the 3G came out, does not obligate them to do so again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28274133</id>
	<title>Bikeman1969</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244559000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a current 3g iphone user (8gb). AT&amp;T are fools for not allowing the same price. ok I want to upgrade to the 3g S 16gb model. I won't for $399 which is what they are offering me as an early discount (not a full discount, $199). I won't do it, I&#226;(TM)ll wait. But if they did what do you think i would do with my old phone, just toss it away, NOT. I would sell it which most likely end up on the AT&amp;T network under a different user's plan, which will bring in more revenue in the form of Data plan charges. yes some may end up on T-mobile and unlocked but most will stay with AT&amp;T in my opinion. So, that's my 2-cents. I hope they smarten up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a current 3g iphone user ( 8gb ) .
AT&amp;T are fools for not allowing the same price .
ok I want to upgrade to the 3g S 16gb model .
I wo n't for $ 399 which is what they are offering me as an early discount ( not a full discount , $ 199 ) .
I wo n't do it , I   ( TM ) ll wait .
But if they did what do you think i would do with my old phone , just toss it away , NOT .
I would sell it which most likely end up on the AT&amp;T network under a different user 's plan , which will bring in more revenue in the form of Data plan charges .
yes some may end up on T-mobile and unlocked but most will stay with AT&amp;T in my opinion .
So , that 's my 2-cents .
I hope they smarten up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a current 3g iphone user (8gb).
AT&amp;T are fools for not allowing the same price.
ok I want to upgrade to the 3g S 16gb model.
I won't for $399 which is what they are offering me as an early discount (not a full discount, $199).
I won't do it, Iâ(TM)ll wait.
But if they did what do you think i would do with my old phone, just toss it away, NOT.
I would sell it which most likely end up on the AT&amp;T network under a different user's plan, which will bring in more revenue in the form of Data plan charges.
yes some may end up on T-mobile and unlocked but most will stay with AT&amp;T in my opinion.
So, that's my 2-cents.
I hope they smarten up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28261133</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>znerk</author>
	<datestamp>1244478840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"We need to hit them with a major <i>and I mean <b>MAJOR</b> </i> leaflet campaign."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" We need to hit them with a major and I mean MAJOR leaflet campaign .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We need to hit them with a major and I mean MAJOR  leaflet campaign.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259229</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28266167</id>
	<title>Why would iPhone users receive preferential...</title>
	<author>GooberToo</author>
	<datestamp>1244564280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...treatment?</p><p>How is this any different than any other phone which comes out for a carrier?</p><p>This sounds like iPhone users being users demanding free stuff for absolutely no reason. They sound like self entitled users.</p><p>The entire reason the carrier offers these deals is to bring new users to their network. Period. Once they have you on a contract they have zero incentive to offer a discount. Why even require a two year contract if they allow these users to upgrade at a discounted rate? Wouldn't they then be obligated to allow all of their users to upgrade their phones at any time for no cost? How does this make any sense?</p><p>Grow up people. You signed a contract. Why should you get an upgrade without paying for it? Why should you be excused from your contract?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...treatment ? How is this any different than any other phone which comes out for a carrier ? This sounds like iPhone users being users demanding free stuff for absolutely no reason .
They sound like self entitled users.The entire reason the carrier offers these deals is to bring new users to their network .
Period. Once they have you on a contract they have zero incentive to offer a discount .
Why even require a two year contract if they allow these users to upgrade at a discounted rate ?
Would n't they then be obligated to allow all of their users to upgrade their phones at any time for no cost ?
How does this make any sense ? Grow up people .
You signed a contract .
Why should you get an upgrade without paying for it ?
Why should you be excused from your contract ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...treatment?How is this any different than any other phone which comes out for a carrier?This sounds like iPhone users being users demanding free stuff for absolutely no reason.
They sound like self entitled users.The entire reason the carrier offers these deals is to bring new users to their network.
Period. Once they have you on a contract they have zero incentive to offer a discount.
Why even require a two year contract if they allow these users to upgrade at a discounted rate?
Wouldn't they then be obligated to allow all of their users to upgrade their phones at any time for no cost?
How does this make any sense?Grow up people.
You signed a contract.
Why should you get an upgrade without paying for it?
Why should you be excused from your contract?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28262929</id>
	<title>Re:Or..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244541300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Telco are not generous when the 3G came out.<br>It is their business/marketing plan. To promote their 3G plan.<br>Switching ppl from 2G phone to 3G phone thus using their (Telco) 3G plan.<br>Which in turn generate more profits from their price-cut on the iPhone 3G.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Telco are not generous when the 3G came out.It is their business/marketing plan .
To promote their 3G plan.Switching ppl from 2G phone to 3G phone thus using their ( Telco ) 3G plan.Which in turn generate more profits from their price-cut on the iPhone 3G .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Telco are not generous when the 3G came out.It is their business/marketing plan.
To promote their 3G plan.Switching ppl from 2G phone to 3G phone thus using their (Telco) 3G plan.Which in turn generate more profits from their price-cut on the iPhone 3G.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259203</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28315661</id>
	<title>iPhone?  Heh, fanboi...</title>
	<author>marxmarv</author>
	<datestamp>1244810340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... my T-Mobile phone runs Linux and yours doesn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... my T-Mobile phone runs Linux and yours does n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... my T-Mobile phone runs Linux and yours doesn't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28270847</id>
	<title>Re:This is normal -- why are iPhone users so eliti</title>
	<author>britishsoul</author>
	<datestamp>1244538600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>are people going to discard their old iphones?  i'll take them...for free since theyre so eager to have a new one.  are they going to chuck their old iphones in the landfill?  wow.  i dont think its elitism so much as it is consumerism writ large and ugly.  what a waste of resources.</p><p>its amazing how current iphone users are blind to what they already have.  i cant think of a $300-400 toy that i would replace every year....upgrade my PS3 every year to get a bigger HD?  Buy a new PC every year to get an extra<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.5 ghz?  i still have my first gen ipod.  i dont see the reason to upgrade as long as it still functions as i expect it (yeah ive replaced the battery twice).  and i like my first gen iphone.  it still performs well as a phone/email/checker/browser.  and my wife wouldnt let me upgrade anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>are people going to discard their old iphones ?
i 'll take them...for free since theyre so eager to have a new one .
are they going to chuck their old iphones in the landfill ?
wow. i dont think its elitism so much as it is consumerism writ large and ugly .
what a waste of resources.its amazing how current iphone users are blind to what they already have .
i cant think of a $ 300-400 toy that i would replace every year....upgrade my PS3 every year to get a bigger HD ?
Buy a new PC every year to get an extra .5 ghz ?
i still have my first gen ipod .
i dont see the reason to upgrade as long as it still functions as i expect it ( yeah ive replaced the battery twice ) .
and i like my first gen iphone .
it still performs well as a phone/email/checker/browser .
and my wife wouldnt let me upgrade anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are people going to discard their old iphones?
i'll take them...for free since theyre so eager to have a new one.
are they going to chuck their old iphones in the landfill?
wow.  i dont think its elitism so much as it is consumerism writ large and ugly.
what a waste of resources.its amazing how current iphone users are blind to what they already have.
i cant think of a $300-400 toy that i would replace every year....upgrade my PS3 every year to get a bigger HD?
Buy a new PC every year to get an extra .5 ghz?
i still have my first gen ipod.
i dont see the reason to upgrade as long as it still functions as i expect it (yeah ive replaced the battery twice).
and i like my first gen iphone.
it still performs well as a phone/email/checker/browser.
and my wife wouldnt let me upgrade anyway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28268503</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28265727</id>
	<title>Re:This is nothing new.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244562720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Off-topic I know, but still...</p><p>I had the Motorola RAZR V3, and that was a steaming pile after a few months of use.  For a bit over a year, I put up with its intermittent "battery coming loose and shutting off" problem and the phone suddenly deciding it didn't have a Bluetooth module until I power-cycled it.  Plus, I saw that I wasn't the only one having this issue.</p><p>About the end of my contract cycle, I got an upgrade to the LG Shine for $25 after rebate.  So I got the newest RAZR version out there and they couldn't pay me to upgrade to another one.  LG's working fine so far; we'll see if I keep on the LG line next contract cycle, or maybe the phone will have reached "good enough" status by then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Off-topic I know , but still...I had the Motorola RAZR V3 , and that was a steaming pile after a few months of use .
For a bit over a year , I put up with its intermittent " battery coming loose and shutting off " problem and the phone suddenly deciding it did n't have a Bluetooth module until I power-cycled it .
Plus , I saw that I was n't the only one having this issue.About the end of my contract cycle , I got an upgrade to the LG Shine for $ 25 after rebate .
So I got the newest RAZR version out there and they could n't pay me to upgrade to another one .
LG 's working fine so far ; we 'll see if I keep on the LG line next contract cycle , or maybe the phone will have reached " good enough " status by then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Off-topic I know, but still...I had the Motorola RAZR V3, and that was a steaming pile after a few months of use.
For a bit over a year, I put up with its intermittent "battery coming loose and shutting off" problem and the phone suddenly deciding it didn't have a Bluetooth module until I power-cycled it.
Plus, I saw that I wasn't the only one having this issue.About the end of my contract cycle, I got an upgrade to the LG Shine for $25 after rebate.
So I got the newest RAZR version out there and they couldn't pay me to upgrade to another one.
LG's working fine so far; we'll see if I keep on the LG line next contract cycle, or maybe the phone will have reached "good enough" status by then.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259265</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259489</id>
	<title>Just what we need.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244469420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Great, now we'll see hippies smokin pot in protest.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , now we 'll see hippies smokin pot in protest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great, now we'll see hippies smokin pot in protest.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260045</id>
	<title>Give me a break already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244472960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the same for every cell provider out there.  The phone price is subsidized based on new contracts or renewal of expiring contracts.  Quit bitching already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the same for every cell provider out there .
The phone price is subsidized based on new contracts or renewal of expiring contracts .
Quit bitching already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the same for every cell provider out there.
The phone price is subsidized based on new contracts or renewal of expiring contracts.
Quit bitching already.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28260031</id>
	<title>Don't feel bad, it will be worse for Canada</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244472840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lots of carriers have announced their policy. I am suspecting Rogers in Canada is taking its time to garuantee that it will have the absolute worst possible price</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lots of carriers have announced their policy .
I am suspecting Rogers in Canada is taking its time to garuantee that it will have the absolute worst possible price</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lots of carriers have announced their policy.
I am suspecting Rogers in Canada is taking its time to garuantee that it will have the absolute worst possible price</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259393</id>
	<title>how about this</title>
	<author>beattie</author>
	<datestamp>1244469000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you don't like the product they are offering at the price they are offering it at, don't buy it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do n't like the product they are offering at the price they are offering it at , do n't buy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you don't like the product they are offering at the price they are offering it at, don't buy it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_0022210.28259213</id>
	<title>iPhone Users?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244467980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like only one user was upset in that forum.  The rest all saw the logic and understood what a subsidy is used for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like only one user was upset in that forum .
The rest all saw the logic and understood what a subsidy is used for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like only one user was upset in that forum.
The rest all saw the logic and understood what a subsidy is used for.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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