<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_08_1444215</id>
	<title>11-Year-Old Graduates With Degree In Astrophysics</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1244477520000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Gotenosente writes <i>"11-Year-Old Moshe Kai Cavalin has graduated from East Los Angeles Community College <a href="http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/strange/Boy\_11\_graduates\_from\_college">with a degree in astrophysics</a>.  'At a time when his peers are finishing 6th grade, this only child of a Taiwanese mother and an Israeli father is trying on a cap and gown preparing to graduate with a 4.0 from community college.' The article continues with a quotation by the boy, hinting at his modesty, 'I don't consider myself a genius because there are 6.5 billion people in this world and each one is smart in his or her own way.' Daniel Judge, Cavalin's statistics professor, says, 'Most students think that <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525254,00.html">things should be harder</a> than they are and they put these mental blocks in front of them and they make things harder than they should be. In the case of Moshe, he sees right through the complications.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gotenosente writes " 11-Year-Old Moshe Kai Cavalin has graduated from East Los Angeles Community College with a degree in astrophysics .
'At a time when his peers are finishing 6th grade , this only child of a Taiwanese mother and an Israeli father is trying on a cap and gown preparing to graduate with a 4.0 from community college .
' The article continues with a quotation by the boy , hinting at his modesty , 'I do n't consider myself a genius because there are 6.5 billion people in this world and each one is smart in his or her own way .
' Daniel Judge , Cavalin 's statistics professor , says , 'Most students think that things should be harder than they are and they put these mental blocks in front of them and they make things harder than they should be .
In the case of Moshe , he sees right through the complications .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gotenosente writes "11-Year-Old Moshe Kai Cavalin has graduated from East Los Angeles Community College with a degree in astrophysics.
'At a time when his peers are finishing 6th grade, this only child of a Taiwanese mother and an Israeli father is trying on a cap and gown preparing to graduate with a 4.0 from community college.
' The article continues with a quotation by the boy, hinting at his modesty, 'I don't consider myself a genius because there are 6.5 billion people in this world and each one is smart in his or her own way.
' Daniel Judge, Cavalin's statistics professor, says, 'Most students think that things should be harder than they are and they put these mental blocks in front of them and they make things harder than they should be.
In the case of Moshe, he sees right through the complications.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253405</id>
	<title>Re:And was never heard from again. . .</title>
	<author>billcopc</author>
	<datestamp>1244487420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>gifted people are sideswiped by the fact that even though logically and by all reason they should succeed they don't</p></div><p>That is not a fact, it is a false truth.  We assume smart people should succeed, because schools still promote "smart" even though they're selling mere indoctrination.  Those who consistently succeed in this world are the Average Joes with strong social connections, because one genius is no match for a mob of angry norms.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>gifted people are sideswiped by the fact that even though logically and by all reason they should succeed they don'tThat is not a fact , it is a false truth .
We assume smart people should succeed , because schools still promote " smart " even though they 're selling mere indoctrination .
Those who consistently succeed in this world are the Average Joes with strong social connections , because one genius is no match for a mob of angry norms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gifted people are sideswiped by the fact that even though logically and by all reason they should succeed they don'tThat is not a fact, it is a false truth.
We assume smart people should succeed, because schools still promote "smart" even though they're selling mere indoctrination.
Those who consistently succeed in this world are the Average Joes with strong social connections, because one genius is no match for a mob of angry norms.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252505</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244483220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Real universities don't want to admit students of his age in the vast majority of cases.  It's just plain ageism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Real universities do n't want to admit students of his age in the vast majority of cases .
It 's just plain ageism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real universities don't want to admit students of his age in the vast majority of cases.
It's just plain ageism.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252175</id>
	<title>Community college?</title>
	<author>Arthur B.</author>
	<datestamp>1244482020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hum, being so precocious, he is probably very intelligent. Why then go to community college? I am not entirely familiar with US education system, but I was under the impression that these places were considered much less challenging.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hum , being so precocious , he is probably very intelligent .
Why then go to community college ?
I am not entirely familiar with US education system , but I was under the impression that these places were considered much less challenging .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hum, being so precocious, he is probably very intelligent.
Why then go to community college?
I am not entirely familiar with US education system, but I was under the impression that these places were considered much less challenging.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252573</id>
	<title>Re:Aspergers</title>
	<author>pwizard2</author>
	<datestamp>1244483460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If he has motor-coordination issues, that could also make him dislike sports.</p></div></blockquote><p>

That's how it was for me when I was younger. (high school age and below) I couldn't compete in sports with other people my age at the time, so I focused on other things. (like computers/programming) I remember feeling socially isolated, but there was little I could do about it. Now, (10 years later) my social skills are mostly normal and  I estimate that my physical abilities are about 80-85\% normal, but I got to that point only after years of intensive physical training and it is still far from easy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If he has motor-coordination issues , that could also make him dislike sports .
That 's how it was for me when I was younger .
( high school age and below ) I could n't compete in sports with other people my age at the time , so I focused on other things .
( like computers/programming ) I remember feeling socially isolated , but there was little I could do about it .
Now , ( 10 years later ) my social skills are mostly normal and I estimate that my physical abilities are about 80-85 \ % normal , but I got to that point only after years of intensive physical training and it is still far from easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If he has motor-coordination issues, that could also make him dislike sports.
That's how it was for me when I was younger.
(high school age and below) I couldn't compete in sports with other people my age at the time, so I focused on other things.
(like computers/programming) I remember feeling socially isolated, but there was little I could do about it.
Now, (10 years later) my social skills are mostly normal and  I estimate that my physical abilities are about 80-85\% normal, but I got to that point only after years of intensive physical training and it is still far from easy.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28256273</id>
	<title>Oh dear God!</title>
	<author>Paracelcus</author>
	<datestamp>1244454480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What an insufferable little snotnose!</p><p>With a "made up" associates degree from a questionable institution.  You wonder if his educational needs are really being met or if his "stage parents" are just using him for gratuitous ego stroking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What an insufferable little snotnose ! With a " made up " associates degree from a questionable institution .
You wonder if his educational needs are really being met or if his " stage parents " are just using him for gratuitous ego stroking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What an insufferable little snotnose!With a "made up" associates degree from a questionable institution.
You wonder if his educational needs are really being met or if his "stage parents" are just using him for gratuitous ego stroking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254251</id>
	<title>Re:Aspergers</title>
	<author>DomNF15</author>
	<datestamp>1244491020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You raise some interesting points, but RTFA - he likes martial arts and demonstrated some moves for the news reporter.  Cross motor-coordination issues off your list.  The last video game I played was COD: World at War.  The AI was not really that unpredictable.  This kid's teacher mentions that he can see easily through complexities, which probably includes lousy video game AI.  If anything, the games are probably too easy or simplistic for him and he thus derives no pleasure from them.  Without the pleasure quotient, video games aren't really very useful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You raise some interesting points , but RTFA - he likes martial arts and demonstrated some moves for the news reporter .
Cross motor-coordination issues off your list .
The last video game I played was COD : World at War .
The AI was not really that unpredictable .
This kid 's teacher mentions that he can see easily through complexities , which probably includes lousy video game AI .
If anything , the games are probably too easy or simplistic for him and he thus derives no pleasure from them .
Without the pleasure quotient , video games are n't really very useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You raise some interesting points, but RTFA - he likes martial arts and demonstrated some moves for the news reporter.
Cross motor-coordination issues off your list.
The last video game I played was COD: World at War.
The AI was not really that unpredictable.
This kid's teacher mentions that he can see easily through complexities, which probably includes lousy video game AI.
If anything, the games are probably too easy or simplistic for him and he thus derives no pleasure from them.
Without the pleasure quotient, video games aren't really very useful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252605</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>macbeth66</author>
	<datestamp>1244483580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nah!  He ain't a genius.</p><p>Most kids coming through the US education system are idiots.  Not their fault, the idiot teachers are turning them into idiots.  They are not allowed to think for themselves and must parrot back the poltically correct drivel that is hammered into them.</p><p>I guess this kid managed to escape his teacher's clutches.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah !
He ai n't a genius.Most kids coming through the US education system are idiots .
Not their fault , the idiot teachers are turning them into idiots .
They are not allowed to think for themselves and must parrot back the poltically correct drivel that is hammered into them.I guess this kid managed to escape his teacher 's clutches .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah!
He ain't a genius.Most kids coming through the US education system are idiots.
Not their fault, the idiot teachers are turning them into idiots.
They are not allowed to think for themselves and must parrot back the poltically correct drivel that is hammered into them.I guess this kid managed to escape his teacher's clutches.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28258947</id>
	<title>How do you skip grades?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244466060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've always wondered how kids get to skip grades.  How does one proclaim to be too smart to be bothered with sitting through second grade?  What role/compulsion do the parents have in all of this?</p><p>I could only imagine what school would be like if all kids could opt to do all their work for the year up-front and then get to either take the rest of the year off or start next years work if they get done early.</p><p>Needless to say there would be quite a number of students finishing high school much earlier and or enjoying much longer summer vacations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always wondered how kids get to skip grades .
How does one proclaim to be too smart to be bothered with sitting through second grade ?
What role/compulsion do the parents have in all of this ? I could only imagine what school would be like if all kids could opt to do all their work for the year up-front and then get to either take the rest of the year off or start next years work if they get done early.Needless to say there would be quite a number of students finishing high school much earlier and or enjoying much longer summer vacations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always wondered how kids get to skip grades.
How does one proclaim to be too smart to be bothered with sitting through second grade?
What role/compulsion do the parents have in all of this?I could only imagine what school would be like if all kids could opt to do all their work for the year up-front and then get to either take the rest of the year off or start next years work if they get done early.Needless to say there would be quite a number of students finishing high school much earlier and or enjoying much longer summer vacations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252841</id>
	<title>proof of intellegence</title>
	<author>mikeee</author>
	<datestamp>1244484480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, no.  You're assuming he actually means it.  More likely is the possibility that when he says "I'm not a genius because there are 6.5 billion people with unique gifts" he knows it isn't <i>true</i>, but is a good way to keep the other 11-year-olds from <i>kicking his smart ass</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , no .
You 're assuming he actually means it .
More likely is the possibility that when he says " I 'm not a genius because there are 6.5 billion people with unique gifts " he knows it is n't true , but is a good way to keep the other 11-year-olds from kicking his smart ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, no.
You're assuming he actually means it.
More likely is the possibility that when he says "I'm not a genius because there are 6.5 billion people with unique gifts" he knows it isn't true, but is a good way to keep the other 11-year-olds from kicking his smart ass.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28257205</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244457900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who has a master's degree in astronomy (nobody actually calls the degree astrophysics, to my knowledge) and currently teaches at a community college, I have to say this is probably way overhyped.  Community colleges issue Associates' degrees, that don't generally even HAVE a major specified.</p><p>So he took all the physics classes.  Big deal.  Any decent bachelor's degree program is going to make him retake half that stuff to fit into their sequence anyway.  And remember, the ENTRY level degree in this field is a PhD.</p><p>It's impressive he's gotten as far as he as but disingenuous in the extreme to say he has a degree in astrophysics and imply that this is somehow comperable to someone who's just received a PhD, or even a Bachelor's.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who has a master 's degree in astronomy ( nobody actually calls the degree astrophysics , to my knowledge ) and currently teaches at a community college , I have to say this is probably way overhyped .
Community colleges issue Associates ' degrees , that do n't generally even HAVE a major specified.So he took all the physics classes .
Big deal .
Any decent bachelor 's degree program is going to make him retake half that stuff to fit into their sequence anyway .
And remember , the ENTRY level degree in this field is a PhD.It 's impressive he 's gotten as far as he as but disingenuous in the extreme to say he has a degree in astrophysics and imply that this is somehow comperable to someone who 's just received a PhD , or even a Bachelor 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who has a master's degree in astronomy (nobody actually calls the degree astrophysics, to my knowledge) and currently teaches at a community college, I have to say this is probably way overhyped.
Community colleges issue Associates' degrees, that don't generally even HAVE a major specified.So he took all the physics classes.
Big deal.
Any decent bachelor's degree program is going to make him retake half that stuff to fit into their sequence anyway.
And remember, the ENTRY level degree in this field is a PhD.It's impressive he's gotten as far as he as but disingenuous in the extreme to say he has a degree in astrophysics and imply that this is somehow comperable to someone who's just received a PhD, or even a Bachelor's.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252103</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>Hubbell</author>
	<datestamp>1244481600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Genius is 130+, retarded is -70, and average is 100.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Genius is 130 + , retarded is -70 , and average is 100 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Genius is 130+, retarded is -70, and average is 100.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254999</id>
	<title>Re:Aspergers</title>
	<author>korean.ian</author>
	<datestamp>1244493960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The kid studies martial arts. You can probably infer that he doesn't have motor-coordination issues.<br>Seeing no point in games is not a big clue that he is socially inept. It means he doesn't like playing games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The kid studies martial arts .
You can probably infer that he does n't have motor-coordination issues.Seeing no point in games is not a big clue that he is socially inept .
It means he does n't like playing games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The kid studies martial arts.
You can probably infer that he doesn't have motor-coordination issues.Seeing no point in games is not a big clue that he is socially inept.
It means he doesn't like playing games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252265</id>
	<title>Humility</title>
	<author>Arthur B.</author>
	<datestamp>1244482440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry this is off-topic but this makes me boil:</p><p>Saying "I'm not a genius because there are 6.5 billion people" is not humility, it's selflessness. He's 11, I don't blame him, but why does the article extol this as some kind of virtue. There's nothing virtuous in making deliberately biased assessments against oneself. Humility is about objectively acknowledging fallibility. Saying "Indeed I am very precocious and I do qualify as a "child prodigy", however, you should refrain from drawing too much conclusions as many geniuses were late bloomers, etc". That's humility. Self-dissing isn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry this is off-topic but this makes me boil : Saying " I 'm not a genius because there are 6.5 billion people " is not humility , it 's selflessness .
He 's 11 , I do n't blame him , but why does the article extol this as some kind of virtue .
There 's nothing virtuous in making deliberately biased assessments against oneself .
Humility is about objectively acknowledging fallibility .
Saying " Indeed I am very precocious and I do qualify as a " child prodigy " , however , you should refrain from drawing too much conclusions as many geniuses were late bloomers , etc " .
That 's humility .
Self-dissing is n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry this is off-topic but this makes me boil:Saying "I'm not a genius because there are 6.5 billion people" is not humility, it's selflessness.
He's 11, I don't blame him, but why does the article extol this as some kind of virtue.
There's nothing virtuous in making deliberately biased assessments against oneself.
Humility is about objectively acknowledging fallibility.
Saying "Indeed I am very precocious and I do qualify as a "child prodigy", however, you should refrain from drawing too much conclusions as many geniuses were late bloomers, etc".
That's humility.
Self-dissing isn't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252357</id>
	<title>Re:Games Are a "Waste of Time"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244482800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think he correctly intuits that martial arts, scuba diving and piano are much better at cultivating a healthy mind and body than sitting around playing Halo is. The movie-actor bit, I grant you, is a little closer to a contradiction.</p><p>Videogames have some rewards (and I'm very interesting in videogames) but at an incredible opportunity cost in leisure time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think he correctly intuits that martial arts , scuba diving and piano are much better at cultivating a healthy mind and body than sitting around playing Halo is .
The movie-actor bit , I grant you , is a little closer to a contradiction.Videogames have some rewards ( and I 'm very interesting in videogames ) but at an incredible opportunity cost in leisure time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think he correctly intuits that martial arts, scuba diving and piano are much better at cultivating a healthy mind and body than sitting around playing Halo is.
The movie-actor bit, I grant you, is a little closer to a contradiction.Videogames have some rewards (and I'm very interesting in videogames) but at an incredible opportunity cost in leisure time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28262721</id>
	<title>Re:I'm not surprised....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244538900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and not nearly as tough as <a href="http://failblog.org/2009/05/27/rocket-science-fail/" title="failblog.org" rel="nofollow">rocket surgery</a> [failblog.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and not nearly as tough as rocket surgery [ failblog.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and not nearly as tough as rocket surgery [failblog.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28257087</id>
	<title>Re:I'm not surprised....</title>
	<author>IRWolfie-</author>
	<datestamp>1244457480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rocket science isnt the part that's difficult, its Rocket engineering where the difficulties come into play!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rocket science isnt the part that 's difficult , its Rocket engineering where the difficulties come into play !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rocket science isnt the part that's difficult, its Rocket engineering where the difficulties come into play!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252491</id>
	<title>And was never heard from again. . .</title>
	<author>Xerolooper</author>
	<datestamp>1244483220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You see this happen all the time they push kids who are really smart so hard they fizzle out. I went to a special school for "gifted" children and most of my friends were burned out by their mid 20's. Not to mention depressed because they didn't make their first million by the age of 25. I "gave up" dropped contact with all my smart friends and got a "civil service" job. Ignorance truly is bliss, if your not freaked out by the state of the world you probably don't understand what is going on. The world doesn't know what to do with gifted people and gifted people are sideswiped by the fact that even though logically and by all reason they should succeed they don't. The world just doesn't work that way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You see this happen all the time they push kids who are really smart so hard they fizzle out .
I went to a special school for " gifted " children and most of my friends were burned out by their mid 20 's .
Not to mention depressed because they did n't make their first million by the age of 25 .
I " gave up " dropped contact with all my smart friends and got a " civil service " job .
Ignorance truly is bliss , if your not freaked out by the state of the world you probably do n't understand what is going on .
The world does n't know what to do with gifted people and gifted people are sideswiped by the fact that even though logically and by all reason they should succeed they do n't .
The world just does n't work that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You see this happen all the time they push kids who are really smart so hard they fizzle out.
I went to a special school for "gifted" children and most of my friends were burned out by their mid 20's.
Not to mention depressed because they didn't make their first million by the age of 25.
I "gave up" dropped contact with all my smart friends and got a "civil service" job.
Ignorance truly is bliss, if your not freaked out by the state of the world you probably don't understand what is going on.
The world doesn't know what to do with gifted people and gifted people are sideswiped by the fact that even though logically and by all reason they should succeed they don't.
The world just doesn't work that way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28262939</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>TheoMurpse</author>
	<datestamp>1244541360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When the teacher's union is larger than the entire local city population, the local government can't do shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the teacher 's union is larger than the entire local city population , the local government ca n't do shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the teacher's union is larger than the entire local city population, the local government can't do shit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252299</id>
	<title>Um, not to rain on his parade...</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1244482560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or to take away from an 11yr old's accomplishments...</p><p>but is a Community College seriously giving out degrees in astrophysics?</p><p>What other certificate course do they have? a 12 month Doctorate in Rocketry Science?</p><p>Perhaps a 6 month Masters in Physiology with a special emphasis in Cardiology.</p><p>You can even double major in Small Engine Repair, and this week we have specials if you combo with Massage Therapy or Hair Design.</p><p>Anyway joking aside I am sure it was a wonderful experience for him, and I would guess the parents have a large role here in motivating him, likely by promoting the idea of education and learning as both desirable and fun. Genius or no, he is probably a smart kid who is likely mature for his years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or to take away from an 11yr old 's accomplishments...but is a Community College seriously giving out degrees in astrophysics ? What other certificate course do they have ?
a 12 month Doctorate in Rocketry Science ? Perhaps a 6 month Masters in Physiology with a special emphasis in Cardiology.You can even double major in Small Engine Repair , and this week we have specials if you combo with Massage Therapy or Hair Design.Anyway joking aside I am sure it was a wonderful experience for him , and I would guess the parents have a large role here in motivating him , likely by promoting the idea of education and learning as both desirable and fun .
Genius or no , he is probably a smart kid who is likely mature for his years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or to take away from an 11yr old's accomplishments...but is a Community College seriously giving out degrees in astrophysics?What other certificate course do they have?
a 12 month Doctorate in Rocketry Science?Perhaps a 6 month Masters in Physiology with a special emphasis in Cardiology.You can even double major in Small Engine Repair, and this week we have specials if you combo with Massage Therapy or Hair Design.Anyway joking aside I am sure it was a wonderful experience for him, and I would guess the parents have a large role here in motivating him, likely by promoting the idea of education and learning as both desirable and fun.
Genius or no, he is probably a smart kid who is likely mature for his years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252739</id>
	<title>Re:Games Are a "Waste of Time"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244484000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everything I needed to learn about wagon-wheel axles I learned from Oregon Trail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everything I needed to learn about wagon-wheel axles I learned from Oregon Trail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything I needed to learn about wagon-wheel axles I learned from Oregon Trail.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253959</id>
	<title>Re:Aspergers</title>
	<author>nathan s</author>
	<datestamp>1244489760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not everyone who is "college level" at that age is autistic.  I passed the ACT exams at significantly higher-than-highschool-grad levels when I was 12, and my parents only held me out of university because they were afraid that I was too young to deal with the social aspects of it (code, more or less, for worrying that I'd have my pentecostal values corrupted by the evil liberal crowd that tends to frequent such places).  They had no problems, though, letting me work "part-time" in their computer store, though, of course, starting about a year later when my dad opened one.:P</p><p>In any case, considering that one of his interests is martial arts, I think presuming that he has motor coordination issues is premature.  I do agree, however, with a number of commenters who suggest that his "dislike" of video games is probably coming from adults around him who are pressuring him with notions that he shouldn't "waste" his time on such things.</p><p>Speaking from experience, I'm a bit torn on whether or not to be happy for him that his parents haven't held him back, or concerned for him that all of the exposure will cause him to have some sort of meltdown when he is a bit older (a scenario I consider pretty likely).  It's pretty hard to go from being "kid genius" to "regular guy," which is pretty much the case as soon as you exit the academic world no matter how intelligent you are, since you are accustomed to people actually paying attention to what you say based on the merits of what you are saying and the novelty factor of hearing someone so young say "intelligent things," not how much money you have or how good you look.  Like age differences, intelligence differences seem to look a bit less extreme when you get older, realistically, in pretty much all shallow social encounters, and only longer-term interactions with people tend to pull out the differences unless you are dealing with someone who <strong>really is</strong> suffering from some sort of ASD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not everyone who is " college level " at that age is autistic .
I passed the ACT exams at significantly higher-than-highschool-grad levels when I was 12 , and my parents only held me out of university because they were afraid that I was too young to deal with the social aspects of it ( code , more or less , for worrying that I 'd have my pentecostal values corrupted by the evil liberal crowd that tends to frequent such places ) .
They had no problems , though , letting me work " part-time " in their computer store , though , of course , starting about a year later when my dad opened one .
: PIn any case , considering that one of his interests is martial arts , I think presuming that he has motor coordination issues is premature .
I do agree , however , with a number of commenters who suggest that his " dislike " of video games is probably coming from adults around him who are pressuring him with notions that he should n't " waste " his time on such things.Speaking from experience , I 'm a bit torn on whether or not to be happy for him that his parents have n't held him back , or concerned for him that all of the exposure will cause him to have some sort of meltdown when he is a bit older ( a scenario I consider pretty likely ) .
It 's pretty hard to go from being " kid genius " to " regular guy , " which is pretty much the case as soon as you exit the academic world no matter how intelligent you are , since you are accustomed to people actually paying attention to what you say based on the merits of what you are saying and the novelty factor of hearing someone so young say " intelligent things , " not how much money you have or how good you look .
Like age differences , intelligence differences seem to look a bit less extreme when you get older , realistically , in pretty much all shallow social encounters , and only longer-term interactions with people tend to pull out the differences unless you are dealing with someone who really is suffering from some sort of ASD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not everyone who is "college level" at that age is autistic.
I passed the ACT exams at significantly higher-than-highschool-grad levels when I was 12, and my parents only held me out of university because they were afraid that I was too young to deal with the social aspects of it (code, more or less, for worrying that I'd have my pentecostal values corrupted by the evil liberal crowd that tends to frequent such places).
They had no problems, though, letting me work "part-time" in their computer store, though, of course, starting about a year later when my dad opened one.
:PIn any case, considering that one of his interests is martial arts, I think presuming that he has motor coordination issues is premature.
I do agree, however, with a number of commenters who suggest that his "dislike" of video games is probably coming from adults around him who are pressuring him with notions that he shouldn't "waste" his time on such things.Speaking from experience, I'm a bit torn on whether or not to be happy for him that his parents haven't held him back, or concerned for him that all of the exposure will cause him to have some sort of meltdown when he is a bit older (a scenario I consider pretty likely).
It's pretty hard to go from being "kid genius" to "regular guy," which is pretty much the case as soon as you exit the academic world no matter how intelligent you are, since you are accustomed to people actually paying attention to what you say based on the merits of what you are saying and the novelty factor of hearing someone so young say "intelligent things," not how much money you have or how good you look.
Like age differences, intelligence differences seem to look a bit less extreme when you get older, realistically, in pretty much all shallow social encounters, and only longer-term interactions with people tend to pull out the differences unless you are dealing with someone who really is suffering from some sort of ASD.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28263377</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1244547180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The local teacher's union can't be larger than the local population. If the state and federal government weren't involved, the rest of the union wouldn't matter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The local teacher 's union ca n't be larger than the local population .
If the state and federal government were n't involved , the rest of the union would n't matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The local teacher's union can't be larger than the local population.
If the state and federal government weren't involved, the rest of the union wouldn't matter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253855</id>
	<title>Re:Games Are a "Waste of Time"</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1244489400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I found that amusing that he finds some form of entertainment to (music &amp; movies) to benefit humanity more so than games.</p></div></blockquote><p>What Moshe means is that today's video games are basically engineered to be time wasters. There's no real intellectual challenge to them, nothing to be learned. Just mow down the bad guys, pick up the loot, and move on to the next level. I used to be a huge gamer when I was a teen, playing PC and console games anywhere from 2 to 8 hours a day until one evening I realized I wasn't "getting" anything out of it. I quit cold-turkey, picked up programming and system administration instead and haven't looked back.</p><blockquote><div><p>"Perhaps a rather odd statement coming from a lad whose passions include martial arts, scuba diving and playing piano. He also aspires to be a movie actor."</p></div></blockquote><p>I don't find this odd at all. If you take up martial arts, you learn discipline and self-defense. These are pretty important lessons for anyone, even better if they're internalized at a young age. Scuba diving allows one to study and sometimes interact with underwater life. An understanding of aquatic ecosystems could inspire him to contribute to the field of biology some day. Learning the piano (or any instrument) can be the first step to an advanced understanding of music theory and creativity. Could we be looking at our next Bach? Probably not, but you never know for sure. Being a good actor is <i>really</i> hard and is a pretty lofty goal. You have to understand a lot about the human condition and be able to reproduce any aspect of it on cue.</p><p>Video games? Well, I have nothing against people who choose to spend their free time playing them. I'm known to fire up a game of Quake once in awhile, but I don't try to delude myself into thinking that I'm not just deliberately killing some time. And games are perfectly fine when added to a social gathering (e.g., "party games" like Smash Bros or Mario Kart), but by and large, nothing is really learned from solitary or online gaming. No matter how good you get, a high score or <i>x</i> number of frags will never contribute to society or individual development in any conceivable sense.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I found that amusing that he finds some form of entertainment to ( music &amp; movies ) to benefit humanity more so than games.What Moshe means is that today 's video games are basically engineered to be time wasters .
There 's no real intellectual challenge to them , nothing to be learned .
Just mow down the bad guys , pick up the loot , and move on to the next level .
I used to be a huge gamer when I was a teen , playing PC and console games anywhere from 2 to 8 hours a day until one evening I realized I was n't " getting " anything out of it .
I quit cold-turkey , picked up programming and system administration instead and have n't looked back .
" Perhaps a rather odd statement coming from a lad whose passions include martial arts , scuba diving and playing piano .
He also aspires to be a movie actor .
" I do n't find this odd at all .
If you take up martial arts , you learn discipline and self-defense .
These are pretty important lessons for anyone , even better if they 're internalized at a young age .
Scuba diving allows one to study and sometimes interact with underwater life .
An understanding of aquatic ecosystems could inspire him to contribute to the field of biology some day .
Learning the piano ( or any instrument ) can be the first step to an advanced understanding of music theory and creativity .
Could we be looking at our next Bach ?
Probably not , but you never know for sure .
Being a good actor is really hard and is a pretty lofty goal .
You have to understand a lot about the human condition and be able to reproduce any aspect of it on cue.Video games ?
Well , I have nothing against people who choose to spend their free time playing them .
I 'm known to fire up a game of Quake once in awhile , but I do n't try to delude myself into thinking that I 'm not just deliberately killing some time .
And games are perfectly fine when added to a social gathering ( e.g. , " party games " like Smash Bros or Mario Kart ) , but by and large , nothing is really learned from solitary or online gaming .
No matter how good you get , a high score or x number of frags will never contribute to society or individual development in any conceivable sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found that amusing that he finds some form of entertainment to (music &amp; movies) to benefit humanity more so than games.What Moshe means is that today's video games are basically engineered to be time wasters.
There's no real intellectual challenge to them, nothing to be learned.
Just mow down the bad guys, pick up the loot, and move on to the next level.
I used to be a huge gamer when I was a teen, playing PC and console games anywhere from 2 to 8 hours a day until one evening I realized I wasn't "getting" anything out of it.
I quit cold-turkey, picked up programming and system administration instead and haven't looked back.
"Perhaps a rather odd statement coming from a lad whose passions include martial arts, scuba diving and playing piano.
He also aspires to be a movie actor.
"I don't find this odd at all.
If you take up martial arts, you learn discipline and self-defense.
These are pretty important lessons for anyone, even better if they're internalized at a young age.
Scuba diving allows one to study and sometimes interact with underwater life.
An understanding of aquatic ecosystems could inspire him to contribute to the field of biology some day.
Learning the piano (or any instrument) can be the first step to an advanced understanding of music theory and creativity.
Could we be looking at our next Bach?
Probably not, but you never know for sure.
Being a good actor is really hard and is a pretty lofty goal.
You have to understand a lot about the human condition and be able to reproduce any aspect of it on cue.Video games?
Well, I have nothing against people who choose to spend their free time playing them.
I'm known to fire up a game of Quake once in awhile, but I don't try to delude myself into thinking that I'm not just deliberately killing some time.
And games are perfectly fine when added to a social gathering (e.g., "party games" like Smash Bros or Mario Kart), but by and large, nothing is really learned from solitary or online gaming.
No matter how good you get, a high score or x number of frags will never contribute to society or individual development in any conceivable sense.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28255771</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1244452980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Hum, being so precocious, he is probably very intelligent. Why then go to community college?</p></div> </blockquote><p>Some community colleges are much better at lower-division undergraduate education (in certain fields, which vary by college), than many universities, whose priorities for faculty are generally, in descending order of importance, research, graduate education, upper division undergraduate education, and lower division undergraduate education.</p><p>Also, community colleges are vastly less expensive, and (at least public ones in California) and four-year universities often will not even consider applicants under a certain age regardless of qualifications (I personally know of someone who was forced to delay entry into a prestigious southern California university for a year due to age alone.)</p></div>
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<tokenext>Hum , being so precocious , he is probably very intelligent .
Why then go to community college ?
Some community colleges are much better at lower-division undergraduate education ( in certain fields , which vary by college ) , than many universities , whose priorities for faculty are generally , in descending order of importance , research , graduate education , upper division undergraduate education , and lower division undergraduate education.Also , community colleges are vastly less expensive , and ( at least public ones in California ) and four-year universities often will not even consider applicants under a certain age regardless of qualifications ( I personally know of someone who was forced to delay entry into a prestigious southern California university for a year due to age alone .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hum, being so precocious, he is probably very intelligent.
Why then go to community college?
Some community colleges are much better at lower-division undergraduate education (in certain fields, which vary by college), than many universities, whose priorities for faculty are generally, in descending order of importance, research, graduate education, upper division undergraduate education, and lower division undergraduate education.Also, community colleges are vastly less expensive, and (at least public ones in California) and four-year universities often will not even consider applicants under a certain age regardless of qualifications (I personally know of someone who was forced to delay entry into a prestigious southern California university for a year due to age alone.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252555</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244483400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I believe MENSA requires an IQ of 160 or higher.<br>Of course, IQ tests are retarded - the younger you are the higher your score, for the same performance.</p><p>This is why you get a lot of stories about "genius" kids and toddlers, when in fact, they're just above-average with parents who got them tested.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe MENSA requires an IQ of 160 or higher.Of course , IQ tests are retarded - the younger you are the higher your score , for the same performance.This is why you get a lot of stories about " genius " kids and toddlers , when in fact , they 're just above-average with parents who got them tested .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe MENSA requires an IQ of 160 or higher.Of course, IQ tests are retarded - the younger you are the higher your score, for the same performance.This is why you get a lot of stories about "genius" kids and toddlers, when in fact, they're just above-average with parents who got them tested.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254943</id>
	<title>Re:Chris Rock on Community college?</title>
	<author>fuzzylollipop</author>
	<datestamp>1244493720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>to quote Chris Rock, "community college is like a disco with books!"</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>to quote Chris Rock , " community college is like a disco with books !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to quote Chris Rock, "community college is like a disco with books!
"
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28262879</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>TheoMurpse</author>
	<datestamp>1244540760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I thought genius was defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile or higher.</p></div></blockquote><p>So out of every 100 people you pass on the street, 2 are geniuses?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought genius was defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile or higher.So out of every 100 people you pass on the street , 2 are geniuses ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought genius was defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile or higher.So out of every 100 people you pass on the street, 2 are geniuses?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254005</id>
	<title>Problem with the credibility</title>
	<author>ScubaS</author>
	<datestamp>1244489940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Take a quick look at:

<a href="http://www.elac.edu/academic/asdegreeinfo.html" title="elac.edu" rel="nofollow">http://www.elac.edu/academic/asdegreeinfo.html</a> [elac.edu]

And notice how the community college he went to does not actually offer a degree in Astrophysics? Infact, the article never said he got a degree in Astrophysics. The article only says he is "studying" astrophysics.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Take a quick look at : http : //www.elac.edu/academic/asdegreeinfo.html [ elac.edu ] And notice how the community college he went to does not actually offer a degree in Astrophysics ?
Infact , the article never said he got a degree in Astrophysics .
The article only says he is " studying " astrophysics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take a quick look at:

http://www.elac.edu/academic/asdegreeinfo.html [elac.edu]

And notice how the community college he went to does not actually offer a degree in Astrophysics?
Infact, the article never said he got a degree in Astrophysics.
The article only says he is "studying" astrophysics.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253543</id>
	<title>Re:Aspergers</title>
	<author>netsavior</author>
	<datestamp>1244488200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>a syndrome is a reoccuring set of symptoms that commonly happen together.  As much as the medical community has fucked that definition, if you actually follow that definition, then yes, every single personality type is a Syndrome.<br> <br>
I don't understand why you are so offended by people choosing to categorize themselves in neat little bundles.  I have a 1## IQ, but I won't look you in the eye or touch mayonase, so why the hell do you care if I would like to speak to/about other people who happen to have my particular brand of functioning?</htmltext>
<tokenext>a syndrome is a reoccuring set of symptoms that commonly happen together .
As much as the medical community has fucked that definition , if you actually follow that definition , then yes , every single personality type is a Syndrome .
I do n't understand why you are so offended by people choosing to categorize themselves in neat little bundles .
I have a 1 # # IQ , but I wo n't look you in the eye or touch mayonase , so why the hell do you care if I would like to speak to/about other people who happen to have my particular brand of functioning ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a syndrome is a reoccuring set of symptoms that commonly happen together.
As much as the medical community has fucked that definition, if you actually follow that definition, then yes, every single personality type is a Syndrome.
I don't understand why you are so offended by people choosing to categorize themselves in neat little bundles.
I have a 1## IQ, but I won't look you in the eye or touch mayonase, so why the hell do you care if I would like to speak to/about other people who happen to have my particular brand of functioning?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252233</id>
	<title>A genius?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244482320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess he was reading<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. when he was 3 weeks old, just like I am doing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess he was reading / .
when he was 3 weeks old , just like I am doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess he was reading /.
when he was 3 weeks old, just like I am doing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252141</id>
	<title>Big deal...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tag this story <tt>communitycollege</tt>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tag this story communitycollege .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tag this story communitycollege.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253303</id>
	<title>Re:Humility</title>
	<author>trytoguess</author>
	<datestamp>1244486760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I always used a definition similar to wikipedia "exceptional natural capacity of intellect and creative originality." While the 11 year old is obviously academically gifted, he's yet to demonstrate the abilities that separates the Leonardo da Vinci, Albert Einstein, heck even that guy who can code really really well, from us Joe Schmoes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always used a definition similar to wikipedia " exceptional natural capacity of intellect and creative originality .
" While the 11 year old is obviously academically gifted , he 's yet to demonstrate the abilities that separates the Leonardo da Vinci , Albert Einstein , heck even that guy who can code really really well , from us Joe Schmoes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always used a definition similar to wikipedia "exceptional natural capacity of intellect and creative originality.
" While the 11 year old is obviously academically gifted, he's yet to demonstrate the abilities that separates the Leonardo da Vinci, Albert Einstein, heck even that guy who can code really really well, from us Joe Schmoes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252741</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>Neko-kun</author>
	<datestamp>1244484060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.calstatela.edu/academic/eep/" title="calstatela.edu">Ahem...</a> [calstatela.edu]
<br> <br>
Oh, trust me, they find a way. His quote about waiting two years set off a flag in my mind since 13 is the youngest that they'll consider someone for this program.<br>
And how do I know? A good deal of my classes have at least one student from this program and I've been friends with a few since I started.
<br> <br>
They do in fact have a good program to support the 'fitting in' part of the social aspects of the university culture, and luckily I've only meet the socially competent ones.
<br>Now why am I not bothered by them? Because there's a <a href="http://artshigh.org/" title="artshigh.org">plague</a> [artshigh.org] known as the visual and performing arts.<br>
The other ones are alright, but the ones belonging to dance and theater are HIGHLY disliked by the general school population.</div>
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<tokenext>Ahem... [ calstatela.edu ] Oh , trust me , they find a way .
His quote about waiting two years set off a flag in my mind since 13 is the youngest that they 'll consider someone for this program .
And how do I know ?
A good deal of my classes have at least one student from this program and I 've been friends with a few since I started .
They do in fact have a good program to support the 'fitting in ' part of the social aspects of the university culture , and luckily I 've only meet the socially competent ones .
Now why am I not bothered by them ?
Because there 's a plague [ artshigh.org ] known as the visual and performing arts .
The other ones are alright , but the ones belonging to dance and theater are HIGHLY disliked by the general school population .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahem... [calstatela.edu]
 
Oh, trust me, they find a way.
His quote about waiting two years set off a flag in my mind since 13 is the youngest that they'll consider someone for this program.
And how do I know?
A good deal of my classes have at least one student from this program and I've been friends with a few since I started.
They do in fact have a good program to support the 'fitting in' part of the social aspects of the university culture, and luckily I've only meet the socially competent ones.
Now why am I not bothered by them?
Because there's a plague [artshigh.org] known as the visual and performing arts.
The other ones are alright, but the ones belonging to dance and theater are HIGHLY disliked by the general school population.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252395</id>
	<title>AnD Then Accepts Job Offer: +1, Helpful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244482920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>from China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>from China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from China.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253875</id>
	<title>Re:And was never heard from again. . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244489460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You see this happen all the time they push kids who are really smart so hard they fizzle out. I went to a special school for "gifted" children and most of my friends were burned out by their mid 20's. Not to mention depressed because they didn't make their first million by the age of 25.</p></div><p>Me too! (gifted children's program, I mean. Also depressed that I haven't made my first million by age, er, more than 25)</p><p>So, now that I have had more than fifty years to think about this, it has occurred to me to wonder how I got the label "gifted".</p><p>What I mean is, how do I know the people who assigned the label were competent?</p></div>
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<tokenext>You see this happen all the time they push kids who are really smart so hard they fizzle out .
I went to a special school for " gifted " children and most of my friends were burned out by their mid 20 's .
Not to mention depressed because they did n't make their first million by the age of 25.Me too !
( gifted children 's program , I mean .
Also depressed that I have n't made my first million by age , er , more than 25 ) So , now that I have had more than fifty years to think about this , it has occurred to me to wonder how I got the label " gifted " .What I mean is , how do I know the people who assigned the label were competent ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You see this happen all the time they push kids who are really smart so hard they fizzle out.
I went to a special school for "gifted" children and most of my friends were burned out by their mid 20's.
Not to mention depressed because they didn't make their first million by the age of 25.Me too!
(gifted children's program, I mean.
Also depressed that I haven't made my first million by age, er, more than 25)So, now that I have had more than fifty years to think about this, it has occurred to me to wonder how I got the label "gifted".What I mean is, how do I know the people who assigned the label were competent?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28268413</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>religious freak</author>
	<datestamp>1244572560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmm, good point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , good point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, good point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252641</id>
	<title>Oh yea...</title>
	<author>psychicsword</author>
	<datestamp>1244483640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh yea... Well I bet he hasn't been laid.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>Oh wait neither have I. fuck!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yea... Well I bet he has n't been laid .
...Oh wait neither have I. fuck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yea... Well I bet he hasn't been laid.
...Oh wait neither have I. fuck!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253039</id>
	<title>Re:Aspergers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244485440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is graduating college at 11 a 'personality quirk'?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is graduating college at 11 a 'personality quirk ' ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is graduating college at 11 a 'personality quirk'?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252947</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244484960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Well lets keep in mind that he is 11 years old, most likely needs to be transported by his parents to school, and is not ready for life away from home at a large university. A local community college was surely the easiest route for higher education for him.  Also, community colleges probably waived a lot of the typical entrance requirements - had he lived closer to a more elite school, would they even have accepted him?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well lets keep in mind that he is 11 years old , most likely needs to be transported by his parents to school , and is not ready for life away from home at a large university .
A local community college was surely the easiest route for higher education for him .
Also , community colleges probably waived a lot of the typical entrance requirements - had he lived closer to a more elite school , would they even have accepted him ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well lets keep in mind that he is 11 years old, most likely needs to be transported by his parents to school, and is not ready for life away from home at a large university.
A local community college was surely the easiest route for higher education for him.
Also, community colleges probably waived a lot of the typical entrance requirements - had he lived closer to a more elite school, would they even have accepted him?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28259605</id>
	<title>What a complete joke</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244470080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to be knee-jerk critical or anything, but this really isn't that impressive.  Have any of you (those of you who've gotten a science degree from a good college, that is) ever actually taken science/calculus at a community college?  It's a complete joke.  I guarantee he would learn more if he'd just gone to a private prep school.  If he ever winds up going to a real university (and by 'real' I mean Caltech, not CSU Northridge), his CC experience will mean exactly nothing - it won't even be useful.  Community colleges have to teach to the level of their students, and the fact of the matter is that CC's are filled with morons.  There is zero chance that the average 18-year-old at a CC can handle the physics that's taught at MIT.  I'm not trying to be elitist, it's just a fact.  I have personal experience - I ran out of math &amp; science classes to take in high school and so took some physics classes (mechanics and E&amp;M) at my local CSU campus during my senior year of high school.  The next year I went to a top (MIT/Caltech) university as a physics major - it might as well have not even have been the same subject.  In fact, I would say the CSU classes put me at a slight disadvantage because they gave me the false illusion of knowledge.  CC would be even worse.  All that kid learned were a few rote skills.  I'm sure he knows that the derivative of x^2 is 2x and that's all.  I guarantee that if you dropped him into an upper (or even lower) division mechanics class at a reasonable college he'd just puke.  CC is a complete waste of time, if his parents had anything on the ball they would have been able to find a dozen more-productive things for him to do.</p><p>Any reasonably bright (top 5\%) kid who likes math would be able to do what this kid did.  All this story is is a symptom of bad parenting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to be knee-jerk critical or anything , but this really is n't that impressive .
Have any of you ( those of you who 've gotten a science degree from a good college , that is ) ever actually taken science/calculus at a community college ?
It 's a complete joke .
I guarantee he would learn more if he 'd just gone to a private prep school .
If he ever winds up going to a real university ( and by 'real ' I mean Caltech , not CSU Northridge ) , his CC experience will mean exactly nothing - it wo n't even be useful .
Community colleges have to teach to the level of their students , and the fact of the matter is that CC 's are filled with morons .
There is zero chance that the average 18-year-old at a CC can handle the physics that 's taught at MIT .
I 'm not trying to be elitist , it 's just a fact .
I have personal experience - I ran out of math &amp; science classes to take in high school and so took some physics classes ( mechanics and E&amp;M ) at my local CSU campus during my senior year of high school .
The next year I went to a top ( MIT/Caltech ) university as a physics major - it might as well have not even have been the same subject .
In fact , I would say the CSU classes put me at a slight disadvantage because they gave me the false illusion of knowledge .
CC would be even worse .
All that kid learned were a few rote skills .
I 'm sure he knows that the derivative of x ^ 2 is 2x and that 's all .
I guarantee that if you dropped him into an upper ( or even lower ) division mechanics class at a reasonable college he 'd just puke .
CC is a complete waste of time , if his parents had anything on the ball they would have been able to find a dozen more-productive things for him to do.Any reasonably bright ( top 5 \ % ) kid who likes math would be able to do what this kid did .
All this story is is a symptom of bad parenting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to be knee-jerk critical or anything, but this really isn't that impressive.
Have any of you (those of you who've gotten a science degree from a good college, that is) ever actually taken science/calculus at a community college?
It's a complete joke.
I guarantee he would learn more if he'd just gone to a private prep school.
If he ever winds up going to a real university (and by 'real' I mean Caltech, not CSU Northridge), his CC experience will mean exactly nothing - it won't even be useful.
Community colleges have to teach to the level of their students, and the fact of the matter is that CC's are filled with morons.
There is zero chance that the average 18-year-old at a CC can handle the physics that's taught at MIT.
I'm not trying to be elitist, it's just a fact.
I have personal experience - I ran out of math &amp; science classes to take in high school and so took some physics classes (mechanics and E&amp;M) at my local CSU campus during my senior year of high school.
The next year I went to a top (MIT/Caltech) university as a physics major - it might as well have not even have been the same subject.
In fact, I would say the CSU classes put me at a slight disadvantage because they gave me the false illusion of knowledge.
CC would be even worse.
All that kid learned were a few rote skills.
I'm sure he knows that the derivative of x^2 is 2x and that's all.
I guarantee that if you dropped him into an upper (or even lower) division mechanics class at a reasonable college he'd just puke.
CC is a complete waste of time, if his parents had anything on the ball they would have been able to find a dozen more-productive things for him to do.Any reasonably bright (top 5\%) kid who likes math would be able to do what this kid did.
All this story is is a symptom of bad parenting.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28257751</id>
	<title>Story headline should be</title>
	<author>bobKali</author>
	<datestamp>1244460000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>East Los Angeles Community College astrophysics curriculum easy enough for an 11 year old to complete.</p><p>He probably is a smart kid, but I think that this story says more about the (apparent) sad state of the East Los Angeles Community College than it says good about this 11 year old.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>East Los Angeles Community College astrophysics curriculum easy enough for an 11 year old to complete.He probably is a smart kid , but I think that this story says more about the ( apparent ) sad state of the East Los Angeles Community College than it says good about this 11 year old .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>East Los Angeles Community College astrophysics curriculum easy enough for an 11 year old to complete.He probably is a smart kid, but I think that this story says more about the (apparent) sad state of the East Los Angeles Community College than it says good about this 11 year old.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254039</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>tunapez</author>
	<datestamp>1244490000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Completing a degree in 2 years would be an amazing amount of work, but perfectly doable if you could handle the load.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Actually, the rule at my school(ASU), and I believe for all US colleges, is any credits over 18, max of 21, per regular semester requires a teacher and dean's(office) sig. Summer school max is 12 credits, 2 classes per 6 week course, 2 courses per summer). Two years maxed out would only yield you 108 credits of the 126 required to graduate(21+21+12+21+21+12).</p><p>
&nbsp; 2 years + 1 semester would be the fastest possible means to a conventional grad'n.</p><p>That's how I did it back in the '90's anyway, a real PIA running to get them sigs every semester. Between the sig running, wrangling to get the right classes and working 3rd shift to afford the degree I stumbled and had to take an extra semester... took me exactly 36 months to tally 127 credits.</p></div></div></div>
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<tokenext>Completing a degree in 2 years would be an amazing amount of work , but perfectly doable if you could handle the load.Actually , the rule at my school ( ASU ) , and I believe for all US colleges , is any credits over 18 , max of 21 , per regular semester requires a teacher and dean 's ( office ) sig .
Summer school max is 12 credits , 2 classes per 6 week course , 2 courses per summer ) .
Two years maxed out would only yield you 108 credits of the 126 required to graduate ( 21 + 21 + 12 + 21 + 21 + 12 ) .
  2 years + 1 semester would be the fastest possible means to a conventional grad'n.That 's how I did it back in the '90 's anyway , a real PIA running to get them sigs every semester .
Between the sig running , wrangling to get the right classes and working 3rd shift to afford the degree I stumbled and had to take an extra semester... took me exactly 36 months to tally 127 credits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Completing a degree in 2 years would be an amazing amount of work, but perfectly doable if you could handle the load.Actually, the rule at my school(ASU), and I believe for all US colleges, is any credits over 18, max of 21, per regular semester requires a teacher and dean's(office) sig.
Summer school max is 12 credits, 2 classes per 6 week course, 2 courses per summer).
Two years maxed out would only yield you 108 credits of the 126 required to graduate(21+21+12+21+21+12).
  2 years + 1 semester would be the fastest possible means to a conventional grad'n.That's how I did it back in the '90's anyway, a real PIA running to get them sigs every semester.
Between the sig running, wrangling to get the right classes and working 3rd shift to afford the degree I stumbled and had to take an extra semester... took me exactly 36 months to tally 127 credits.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252427</id>
	<title>Sheldon Cooper?</title>
	<author>MartinSchou</author>
	<datestamp>1244483040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one who thought "that's a Sheldon Cooper right there" when he read that article?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one who thought " that 's a Sheldon Cooper right there " when he read that article ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one who thought "that's a Sheldon Cooper right there" when he read that article?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252413</id>
	<title>Re:Aspergers</title>
	<author>oodaloop</author>
	<datestamp>1244482980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you heard of oodaloop syndrome?  It's where you get sick of every personality quirk being called a syndrome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you heard of oodaloop syndrome ?
It 's where you get sick of every personality quirk being called a syndrome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you heard of oodaloop syndrome?
It's where you get sick of every personality quirk being called a syndrome.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28275591</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244571300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I would say it depends greatly on the individual situation.  Both the school environment and the individual child should be considered.</p><p>My case was similar to yours - I moved up to 3rd grade in the middle of 2nd - except that my transition was fairly painless.  I was never a popular kid, and I was pretty quiet and shy for the most part, but I don't remember having any major trouble making friends.  Of course the occasional bully picked on me, but no more than any of the other "smart" kids.  I can recall numerous kids from my school history who were picked on ruthlessly, but not me.</p><p>Looking back, I can think of a few reason why things went fairly smoothly for me:</p><p>1. My elementary school grouped kids into "units" where two grades of kids were paired into a few open classrooms in the same area of the building.  1st and 2nd graders were together in one unit, 3rd and 4th graders in another, and 5th and 6th graders in the last.  Within each unit, some classes would mix together kids from both grades while others would separate them out, depending on the subject matter.  Because of this setup, I already knew a lot of the kids in the next grade up from when I was in 1st grade, together in the same unit with them as 2nd graders.</p><p>2. My best friend at the time was 2 years older than me, so he was in 4th grade when I made the jump from 2nd to 3rd.  Not only did I know a lot of the 3rd graders from the previous year, but my friend helped me get to know the rest of the 3rd-4th grade unit I was joining.</p><p>3. While still in 2nd grade, I was already joining the 3rd graders once a day for Reading class.  So again, I already knew a lot of them pretty well.</p><p>I think the design of the school, particularly mixing kids of different grade levels, was pretty clearly an integral part of my smooth transition to the next grade.  In another situation, where different classes were totally isolated, I could see myself having great difficulty.  I've always been very uncomfortable in unfamiliar social situations, so being thrust into a group of older kids I didn't know at all could have been pretty devastating.</p><p>I'm replying a day late, so sue me!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would say it depends greatly on the individual situation .
Both the school environment and the individual child should be considered.My case was similar to yours - I moved up to 3rd grade in the middle of 2nd - except that my transition was fairly painless .
I was never a popular kid , and I was pretty quiet and shy for the most part , but I do n't remember having any major trouble making friends .
Of course the occasional bully picked on me , but no more than any of the other " smart " kids .
I can recall numerous kids from my school history who were picked on ruthlessly , but not me.Looking back , I can think of a few reason why things went fairly smoothly for me : 1 .
My elementary school grouped kids into " units " where two grades of kids were paired into a few open classrooms in the same area of the building .
1st and 2nd graders were together in one unit , 3rd and 4th graders in another , and 5th and 6th graders in the last .
Within each unit , some classes would mix together kids from both grades while others would separate them out , depending on the subject matter .
Because of this setup , I already knew a lot of the kids in the next grade up from when I was in 1st grade , together in the same unit with them as 2nd graders.2 .
My best friend at the time was 2 years older than me , so he was in 4th grade when I made the jump from 2nd to 3rd .
Not only did I know a lot of the 3rd graders from the previous year , but my friend helped me get to know the rest of the 3rd-4th grade unit I was joining.3 .
While still in 2nd grade , I was already joining the 3rd graders once a day for Reading class .
So again , I already knew a lot of them pretty well.I think the design of the school , particularly mixing kids of different grade levels , was pretty clearly an integral part of my smooth transition to the next grade .
In another situation , where different classes were totally isolated , I could see myself having great difficulty .
I 've always been very uncomfortable in unfamiliar social situations , so being thrust into a group of older kids I did n't know at all could have been pretty devastating.I 'm replying a day late , so sue me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would say it depends greatly on the individual situation.
Both the school environment and the individual child should be considered.My case was similar to yours - I moved up to 3rd grade in the middle of 2nd - except that my transition was fairly painless.
I was never a popular kid, and I was pretty quiet and shy for the most part, but I don't remember having any major trouble making friends.
Of course the occasional bully picked on me, but no more than any of the other "smart" kids.
I can recall numerous kids from my school history who were picked on ruthlessly, but not me.Looking back, I can think of a few reason why things went fairly smoothly for me:1.
My elementary school grouped kids into "units" where two grades of kids were paired into a few open classrooms in the same area of the building.
1st and 2nd graders were together in one unit, 3rd and 4th graders in another, and 5th and 6th graders in the last.
Within each unit, some classes would mix together kids from both grades while others would separate them out, depending on the subject matter.
Because of this setup, I already knew a lot of the kids in the next grade up from when I was in 1st grade, together in the same unit with them as 2nd graders.2.
My best friend at the time was 2 years older than me, so he was in 4th grade when I made the jump from 2nd to 3rd.
Not only did I know a lot of the 3rd graders from the previous year, but my friend helped me get to know the rest of the 3rd-4th grade unit I was joining.3.
While still in 2nd grade, I was already joining the 3rd graders once a day for Reading class.
So again, I already knew a lot of them pretty well.I think the design of the school, particularly mixing kids of different grade levels, was pretty clearly an integral part of my smooth transition to the next grade.
In another situation, where different classes were totally isolated, I could see myself having great difficulty.
I've always been very uncomfortable in unfamiliar social situations, so being thrust into a group of older kids I didn't know at all could have been pretty devastating.I'm replying a day late, so sue me!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28257377</id>
	<title>somebody should do a study on what happens</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1244458620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>to all these child prodigies</p><p>i'm certain a few become millionaires or well respected academics. but i wonder how many wind up heroin addicts or working in food service. for every wolfram or yo yo ma or tiger woods there are a whole host of burn outs</p><p>you always hear about these stellar rises, then... nothing</p><p>you burden these kids with humongous egos and humongous expectations, its really more of a handicap than a gift</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>to all these child prodigiesi 'm certain a few become millionaires or well respected academics .
but i wonder how many wind up heroin addicts or working in food service .
for every wolfram or yo yo ma or tiger woods there are a whole host of burn outsyou always hear about these stellar rises , then... nothingyou burden these kids with humongous egos and humongous expectations , its really more of a handicap than a gift</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to all these child prodigiesi'm certain a few become millionaires or well respected academics.
but i wonder how many wind up heroin addicts or working in food service.
for every wolfram or yo yo ma or tiger woods there are a whole host of burn outsyou always hear about these stellar rises, then... nothingyou burden these kids with humongous egos and humongous expectations, its really more of a handicap than a gift</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253111</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>Belial6</author>
	<datestamp>1244485680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey now, It is important for kids to spend a dozen years in rooms full of people the exact same age as them.  After all, we all know that for the rest of their lives, they are going to be spending most of their time in rooms full of people the exact same age as them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey now , It is important for kids to spend a dozen years in rooms full of people the exact same age as them .
After all , we all know that for the rest of their lives , they are going to be spending most of their time in rooms full of people the exact same age as them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey now, It is important for kids to spend a dozen years in rooms full of people the exact same age as them.
After all, we all know that for the rest of their lives, they are going to be spending most of their time in rooms full of people the exact same age as them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253045</id>
	<title>Re:And was never heard from again. . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244485440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...The world doesn't know what to do with gifted people and gifted people are sideswiped by the fact that even though logically and by all reason they should succeed they don't. The world just doesn't work that way.</p></div><p>If you don't know how the world works, then you aren't really gifted, are you? You're just really good at crunching numbers, or writing essays, or a worst, good at giving the education system what it wants. The truly gifted are those that know how to either relax, take it easy and have a comfortable life, or those that are motivated to succeed and make some cash. Giftedness is not knowing how the world SHOULD work and getting upset when it doesn't; it is knowing how the world DOES work, and taking full advantage of that knowledge. You sir, appear to be truly gifted<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...The world does n't know what to do with gifted people and gifted people are sideswiped by the fact that even though logically and by all reason they should succeed they do n't .
The world just does n't work that way.If you do n't know how the world works , then you are n't really gifted , are you ?
You 're just really good at crunching numbers , or writing essays , or a worst , good at giving the education system what it wants .
The truly gifted are those that know how to either relax , take it easy and have a comfortable life , or those that are motivated to succeed and make some cash .
Giftedness is not knowing how the world SHOULD work and getting upset when it does n't ; it is knowing how the world DOES work , and taking full advantage of that knowledge .
You sir , appear to be truly gifted : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...The world doesn't know what to do with gifted people and gifted people are sideswiped by the fact that even though logically and by all reason they should succeed they don't.
The world just doesn't work that way.If you don't know how the world works, then you aren't really gifted, are you?
You're just really good at crunching numbers, or writing essays, or a worst, good at giving the education system what it wants.
The truly gifted are those that know how to either relax, take it easy and have a comfortable life, or those that are motivated to succeed and make some cash.
Giftedness is not knowing how the world SHOULD work and getting upset when it doesn't; it is knowing how the world DOES work, and taking full advantage of that knowledge.
You sir, appear to be truly gifted :)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252799</id>
	<title>Let me be the first to say...</title>
	<author>SmlFreshwaterBuffalo</author>
	<datestamp>1244484300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good luck finding a job in this economy. He better find something special to bring to the table just to get noticed...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good luck finding a job in this economy .
He better find something special to bring to the table just to get noticed.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good luck finding a job in this economy.
He better find something special to bring to the table just to get noticed...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253619</id>
	<title>you can punch a "two" in the head</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244488500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Punch the little SOB in the head.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Punch the little SOB in the head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Punch the little SOB in the head.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253215</id>
	<title>Re:Humility</title>
	<author>rhakka</author>
	<datestamp>1244486400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what is he saying a genius is?</p><p>a really smart person?  Or some person who is elevated beyond the rest of humanity on some sort of pedestal?</p><p>I would wager the latter.  The boy has no perspective.  He is just saying he's not better than everyone else, which is what "genius" means to him... and to most people.  He'd have to speak pretty precisely to explain it otherwise, but he can't, because he's 11.  Just a very, very smart 11.</p><p>In geek terms, his wisdom score is still quite low.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what is he saying a genius is ? a really smart person ?
Or some person who is elevated beyond the rest of humanity on some sort of pedestal ? I would wager the latter .
The boy has no perspective .
He is just saying he 's not better than everyone else , which is what " genius " means to him... and to most people .
He 'd have to speak pretty precisely to explain it otherwise , but he ca n't , because he 's 11 .
Just a very , very smart 11.In geek terms , his wisdom score is still quite low .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what is he saying a genius is?a really smart person?
Or some person who is elevated beyond the rest of humanity on some sort of pedestal?I would wager the latter.
The boy has no perspective.
He is just saying he's not better than everyone else, which is what "genius" means to him... and to most people.
He'd have to speak pretty precisely to explain it otherwise, but he can't, because he's 11.
Just a very, very smart 11.In geek terms, his wisdom score is still quite low.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28255277</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1244494740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From my observation, community colleges are easier than public high schools. My father taught at a community college - engineering mathematics - for two semesters and got asked to resign because he was making it too difficult. He shared the textbook with me at the time (I was in 7th or 8th grade, but home schooled) and it was stuff I'd already covered (or could figure out w/o too much effort).</p><p>I attended three different colleges myself - a private college, a state school, and a private university (which might be considered a community college by some). In terms of difficulty, the private college was the most intense, and the private uni was the least. Much of the private uni work was, in my assessment, high school equivalence for "non-traditional" students (thankfully I didn't take any of that and opted for the more difficult courses) and ended up tutoring for mathematics/English/CS. On a whole, the private university I attended was significantly more challenging than the community college my father taught at, however.</p><p>Really, it depends on the school, I think. And it seems likely that whatever degree this kid got, it's being significantly hyped by the media, the school, and/or his parents. As another poster mentioned, a degree in astrophysics (or even physics) isn't even offered by the school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From my observation , community colleges are easier than public high schools .
My father taught at a community college - engineering mathematics - for two semesters and got asked to resign because he was making it too difficult .
He shared the textbook with me at the time ( I was in 7th or 8th grade , but home schooled ) and it was stuff I 'd already covered ( or could figure out w/o too much effort ) .I attended three different colleges myself - a private college , a state school , and a private university ( which might be considered a community college by some ) .
In terms of difficulty , the private college was the most intense , and the private uni was the least .
Much of the private uni work was , in my assessment , high school equivalence for " non-traditional " students ( thankfully I did n't take any of that and opted for the more difficult courses ) and ended up tutoring for mathematics/English/CS .
On a whole , the private university I attended was significantly more challenging than the community college my father taught at , however.Really , it depends on the school , I think .
And it seems likely that whatever degree this kid got , it 's being significantly hyped by the media , the school , and/or his parents .
As another poster mentioned , a degree in astrophysics ( or even physics ) is n't even offered by the school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From my observation, community colleges are easier than public high schools.
My father taught at a community college - engineering mathematics - for two semesters and got asked to resign because he was making it too difficult.
He shared the textbook with me at the time (I was in 7th or 8th grade, but home schooled) and it was stuff I'd already covered (or could figure out w/o too much effort).I attended three different colleges myself - a private college, a state school, and a private university (which might be considered a community college by some).
In terms of difficulty, the private college was the most intense, and the private uni was the least.
Much of the private uni work was, in my assessment, high school equivalence for "non-traditional" students (thankfully I didn't take any of that and opted for the more difficult courses) and ended up tutoring for mathematics/English/CS.
On a whole, the private university I attended was significantly more challenging than the community college my father taught at, however.Really, it depends on the school, I think.
And it seems likely that whatever degree this kid got, it's being significantly hyped by the media, the school, and/or his parents.
As another poster mentioned, a degree in astrophysics (or even physics) isn't even offered by the school.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253201</id>
	<title>Being held back is not good either</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244486340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The biggest problem with being held back when you excel academically in order to encourage social development will often result in a gifted child who desires to learn more to become bored and jaded with curriculum that they have already mastered while their classmates are still struggling with the same concepts. This is what happened to me in Junior High and affected me through High school as well. While I was operating on an intellectual level much in advance of my peers, I spent most of my time making problems because I was bored, and fell into a cycle of passive-aggressive rebellion by refusing to do the busy work for the material I had already mastered. Funny enough, in my senior year, I actually had a couple of teachers go to bat for me with the administration when they refused to allow me to graduate because the teachers for my Chemistry II and Calculus classes refused to give my final grades because I refused to do their busy work in their classes, even though I not only aced all the tests they had given throughout the year, but i had passed both the AP Chemistry and AP Calculus exams with a 5 out of 5. It wasn't until I entered college and discovered an environment that was much more amenable to allowing me to advance as quickly as my ability would allow that I put aside the shenanigans and allowed myself to take flight.</p><p>While holding a child back academically so they can mature socially may seem like a wise move, it all depends on the child. For me, it was the wrong decision, as I never had a problem socializing, whether it was my age-peers or the adults I encountered in my life. Sure, I had a large vocabulary when I was a child, and I tended to use longer, more complex sentences, but I could play soccer, football and baseball just like any other boy on my block, and I certainly had no problems getting the girls, especially when in High School I had developed this rebellious persona. But when I consider where I may have been in my field of study with an additional 10 years under my belt...if my son (who is now 2 years old) exhibits the same qualities, I won't hesitate in allowing him to excel to the highest level of his ability. In fact, if he shows the same aptitude that I did, then I will make the path as clear as possible for him to move as quickly academically as he desires. But, truth to tell, I will be just as happy if he doesn't show the same aptitude, as long as he is stretching himself to his full potential.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest problem with being held back when you excel academically in order to encourage social development will often result in a gifted child who desires to learn more to become bored and jaded with curriculum that they have already mastered while their classmates are still struggling with the same concepts .
This is what happened to me in Junior High and affected me through High school as well .
While I was operating on an intellectual level much in advance of my peers , I spent most of my time making problems because I was bored , and fell into a cycle of passive-aggressive rebellion by refusing to do the busy work for the material I had already mastered .
Funny enough , in my senior year , I actually had a couple of teachers go to bat for me with the administration when they refused to allow me to graduate because the teachers for my Chemistry II and Calculus classes refused to give my final grades because I refused to do their busy work in their classes , even though I not only aced all the tests they had given throughout the year , but i had passed both the AP Chemistry and AP Calculus exams with a 5 out of 5 .
It was n't until I entered college and discovered an environment that was much more amenable to allowing me to advance as quickly as my ability would allow that I put aside the shenanigans and allowed myself to take flight.While holding a child back academically so they can mature socially may seem like a wise move , it all depends on the child .
For me , it was the wrong decision , as I never had a problem socializing , whether it was my age-peers or the adults I encountered in my life .
Sure , I had a large vocabulary when I was a child , and I tended to use longer , more complex sentences , but I could play soccer , football and baseball just like any other boy on my block , and I certainly had no problems getting the girls , especially when in High School I had developed this rebellious persona .
But when I consider where I may have been in my field of study with an additional 10 years under my belt...if my son ( who is now 2 years old ) exhibits the same qualities , I wo n't hesitate in allowing him to excel to the highest level of his ability .
In fact , if he shows the same aptitude that I did , then I will make the path as clear as possible for him to move as quickly academically as he desires .
But , truth to tell , I will be just as happy if he does n't show the same aptitude , as long as he is stretching himself to his full potential .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest problem with being held back when you excel academically in order to encourage social development will often result in a gifted child who desires to learn more to become bored and jaded with curriculum that they have already mastered while their classmates are still struggling with the same concepts.
This is what happened to me in Junior High and affected me through High school as well.
While I was operating on an intellectual level much in advance of my peers, I spent most of my time making problems because I was bored, and fell into a cycle of passive-aggressive rebellion by refusing to do the busy work for the material I had already mastered.
Funny enough, in my senior year, I actually had a couple of teachers go to bat for me with the administration when they refused to allow me to graduate because the teachers for my Chemistry II and Calculus classes refused to give my final grades because I refused to do their busy work in their classes, even though I not only aced all the tests they had given throughout the year, but i had passed both the AP Chemistry and AP Calculus exams with a 5 out of 5.
It wasn't until I entered college and discovered an environment that was much more amenable to allowing me to advance as quickly as my ability would allow that I put aside the shenanigans and allowed myself to take flight.While holding a child back academically so they can mature socially may seem like a wise move, it all depends on the child.
For me, it was the wrong decision, as I never had a problem socializing, whether it was my age-peers or the adults I encountered in my life.
Sure, I had a large vocabulary when I was a child, and I tended to use longer, more complex sentences, but I could play soccer, football and baseball just like any other boy on my block, and I certainly had no problems getting the girls, especially when in High School I had developed this rebellious persona.
But when I consider where I may have been in my field of study with an additional 10 years under my belt...if my son (who is now 2 years old) exhibits the same qualities, I won't hesitate in allowing him to excel to the highest level of his ability.
In fact, if he shows the same aptitude that I did, then I will make the path as clear as possible for him to move as quickly academically as he desires.
But, truth to tell, I will be just as happy if he doesn't show the same aptitude, as long as he is stretching himself to his full potential.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252113</id>
	<title>Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>XcepticZP</author>
	<datestamp>1244481660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Brilliant little kid, I must say. And I am very glad that he is given the recognition he deserves.
<br> <br>
However, I'd like to point out that every time we see an extraordinary case like his, there are countless other examples that are half way there. What I mean is that why do only the "super-genius" kids get to advance faster in schools and colleges? What about those people that are smart and dedicated enough to pass through say high-school in 1-2 years, rather than the usual 5-6. Instead these people are forced to stay 5-6 years doing highschool. Same thing with college. <br> <br>
Not everyone is meant to fit into the average of society. That is why we allow people to repeat grade levels and university subjects. So why not go the other way and allow above average students, or students with above average dedication to finish faster. Sounds like a double standard to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Brilliant little kid , I must say .
And I am very glad that he is given the recognition he deserves .
However , I 'd like to point out that every time we see an extraordinary case like his , there are countless other examples that are half way there .
What I mean is that why do only the " super-genius " kids get to advance faster in schools and colleges ?
What about those people that are smart and dedicated enough to pass through say high-school in 1-2 years , rather than the usual 5-6 .
Instead these people are forced to stay 5-6 years doing highschool .
Same thing with college .
Not everyone is meant to fit into the average of society .
That is why we allow people to repeat grade levels and university subjects .
So why not go the other way and allow above average students , or students with above average dedication to finish faster .
Sounds like a double standard to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brilliant little kid, I must say.
And I am very glad that he is given the recognition he deserves.
However, I'd like to point out that every time we see an extraordinary case like his, there are countless other examples that are half way there.
What I mean is that why do only the "super-genius" kids get to advance faster in schools and colleges?
What about those people that are smart and dedicated enough to pass through say high-school in 1-2 years, rather than the usual 5-6.
Instead these people are forced to stay 5-6 years doing highschool.
Same thing with college.
Not everyone is meant to fit into the average of society.
That is why we allow people to repeat grade levels and university subjects.
So why not go the other way and allow above average students, or students with above average dedication to finish faster.
Sounds like a double standard to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254145</id>
	<title>Re:Games Are a "Waste of Time"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244490600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm just curious can you even scuba dive at 11?  You have to be certified to do any scuba diving, does anyone know if there is a age requirement for getting a scuba certification?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm just curious can you even scuba dive at 11 ?
You have to be certified to do any scuba diving , does anyone know if there is a age requirement for getting a scuba certification ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm just curious can you even scuba dive at 11?
You have to be certified to do any scuba diving, does anyone know if there is a age requirement for getting a scuba certification?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253159</id>
	<title>Living example</title>
	<author>pigwiggle</author>
	<datestamp>1244486040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>of public school failure.  I have a BS in both chemistry and mathematics, minored in physics.  Have a PhD in Physical Chemistry<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,Theory.  A successful career in research.  I almost didn't graduate high school- failed most of my math, failed physics and chemistry.  Ended with less than a 2.0 in my core classes, and had to petitioned to graduate.  It's hard for me to say exactly why.  That was 20 years ago, and my memory is a bit foggy.  Luckily, my state university admitted me based on promising entrance exam scores.  Mom and Dad didn't go to college, so they weren't really in a good position to line me out for it.  I wasn't invited to my high school's prep sessions for the college entrance exams.  I think they assumed I wouldn't be interested.   I have always been into science type stuff.  I read Einstein's primer on special relativity in high school.  Loved pop science stuff - Brief History of Time, anything by Sagan, and so forth.  Somehow none of my high school teachers were able to capitalize on it.  Maybe it was because they didn't have much going on, themselves.  I remember my high school physics teacher commenting that he went into education because he couldn't quite make the general physics curriculum.  This was in the context of explaining just how hard quantum mechanics was, and that nobody really understood it.  Well, I understand it, and use it frequently.  It's fun for me to think about because it's so weird.  It would have been nice if the special, advanced classes I had in grade school had a counterpart in my high school.  Wonder where I would be now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>of public school failure .
I have a BS in both chemistry and mathematics , minored in physics .
Have a PhD in Physical Chemistry ,Theory .
A successful career in research .
I almost did n't graduate high school- failed most of my math , failed physics and chemistry .
Ended with less than a 2.0 in my core classes , and had to petitioned to graduate .
It 's hard for me to say exactly why .
That was 20 years ago , and my memory is a bit foggy .
Luckily , my state university admitted me based on promising entrance exam scores .
Mom and Dad did n't go to college , so they were n't really in a good position to line me out for it .
I was n't invited to my high school 's prep sessions for the college entrance exams .
I think they assumed I would n't be interested .
I have always been into science type stuff .
I read Einstein 's primer on special relativity in high school .
Loved pop science stuff - Brief History of Time , anything by Sagan , and so forth .
Somehow none of my high school teachers were able to capitalize on it .
Maybe it was because they did n't have much going on , themselves .
I remember my high school physics teacher commenting that he went into education because he could n't quite make the general physics curriculum .
This was in the context of explaining just how hard quantum mechanics was , and that nobody really understood it .
Well , I understand it , and use it frequently .
It 's fun for me to think about because it 's so weird .
It would have been nice if the special , advanced classes I had in grade school had a counterpart in my high school .
Wonder where I would be now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>of public school failure.
I have a BS in both chemistry and mathematics, minored in physics.
Have a PhD in Physical Chemistry ,Theory.
A successful career in research.
I almost didn't graduate high school- failed most of my math, failed physics and chemistry.
Ended with less than a 2.0 in my core classes, and had to petitioned to graduate.
It's hard for me to say exactly why.
That was 20 years ago, and my memory is a bit foggy.
Luckily, my state university admitted me based on promising entrance exam scores.
Mom and Dad didn't go to college, so they weren't really in a good position to line me out for it.
I wasn't invited to my high school's prep sessions for the college entrance exams.
I think they assumed I wouldn't be interested.
I have always been into science type stuff.
I read Einstein's primer on special relativity in high school.
Loved pop science stuff - Brief History of Time, anything by Sagan, and so forth.
Somehow none of my high school teachers were able to capitalize on it.
Maybe it was because they didn't have much going on, themselves.
I remember my high school physics teacher commenting that he went into education because he couldn't quite make the general physics curriculum.
This was in the context of explaining just how hard quantum mechanics was, and that nobody really understood it.
Well, I understand it, and use it frequently.
It's fun for me to think about because it's so weird.
It would have been nice if the special, advanced classes I had in grade school had a counterpart in my high school.
Wonder where I would be now.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Now all he needs...</title>
	<author>subtraho</author>
	<datestamp>1244486580000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>is a second degree in maths and he's well on his way to waiting at the dole queue on monday.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is a second degree in maths and he 's well on his way to waiting at the dole queue on monday .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is a second degree in maths and he's well on his way to waiting at the dole queue on monday.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Um, not to rain on his parade...</title>
	<author>NeoSkandranon</author>
	<datestamp>1244486460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>An associates degree in astrophysics is quite likely most of the state's general education requirements (6 creds of science, 6 of english, etc)  plus a couple credits of astronomy and physics.  In other words, nothing like what a university degree in astrophysics is (Is there even an undergrad degree in astrophysics at any accredited university?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An associates degree in astrophysics is quite likely most of the state 's general education requirements ( 6 creds of science , 6 of english , etc ) plus a couple credits of astronomy and physics .
In other words , nothing like what a university degree in astrophysics is ( Is there even an undergrad degree in astrophysics at any accredited university ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An associates degree in astrophysics is quite likely most of the state's general education requirements (6 creds of science, 6 of english, etc)  plus a couple credits of astronomy and physics.
In other words, nothing like what a university degree in astrophysics is (Is there even an undergrad degree in astrophysics at any accredited university?
)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Two Year Associate's Degree of Liberal Arts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481120000</datestamp>
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It is amazing to have done this by age 11 but it is a 2 year associates degree of liberal arts in astrophysics.  <br> <br>

Once again, I'm not trying to detract from his accomplishments but this isn't exactly as intensive as a four year bachelor's of science.  <br> <br>

I was looking for a course plan from that college but <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla\%3Aen-US\%3Aofficial&amp;hs=asM&amp;q=site\%3Aelac.edu+Astrophysics&amp;btnG=Search&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&amp;aqi=" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">could not find one for astrophysics</a> [google.com]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if you <a href="http://www.elac.edu/academic/asdegreeinfo.html" title="elac.edu" rel="nofollow">look up regular physics</a> [elac.edu], it simply says "The item you selected does not have a Certificate/Degree."  Please note their <a href="http://www.elac.edu/academic/doc/Catalog\_Update\_2008.pdf" title="elac.edu" rel="nofollow">general catalogue has no mention of astrophysics</a> [elac.edu].  This is the extent of <i>all of</i> their Physics courses:

<ul> <li>PHYSICS 001 Mechanics of Solids</li><li>PHYSICS 002 Mechanics of Fluids, Heat and Sound</li><li>PHYSICS 003 Electricity and Magnetism</li><li>PHYSICS 004 Optics and Modern Physics</li><li>PHYSICS 006 General Physics I</li><li>PHYSICS 007 General Physics II</li><li>PHYSICS 011 Introductory Physics</li><li>PHYSICS 021 General Physics I with Calculus</li><li>PHYSICS 022 General Physics II with Calculus</li></ul><p>

Leaves a bit to be desired.  Is it possible to "get" a degree in physics (let alone a special area of physics) with the most advanced course being "Optics and Modern Physics?"  I think in my undergrad we touched on relativity in required physics courses with several advanced courses devoted entirely to it and its special forms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is amazing to have done this by age 11 but it is a 2 year associates degree of liberal arts in astrophysics .
Once again , I 'm not trying to detract from his accomplishments but this is n't exactly as intensive as a four year bachelor 's of science .
I was looking for a course plan from that college but could not find one for astrophysics [ google.com ] ... if you look up regular physics [ elac.edu ] , it simply says " The item you selected does not have a Certificate/Degree .
" Please note their general catalogue has no mention of astrophysics [ elac.edu ] .
This is the extent of all of their Physics courses : PHYSICS 001 Mechanics of SolidsPHYSICS 002 Mechanics of Fluids , Heat and SoundPHYSICS 003 Electricity and MagnetismPHYSICS 004 Optics and Modern PhysicsPHYSICS 006 General Physics IPHYSICS 007 General Physics IIPHYSICS 011 Introductory PhysicsPHYSICS 021 General Physics I with CalculusPHYSICS 022 General Physics II with Calculus Leaves a bit to be desired .
Is it possible to " get " a degree in physics ( let alone a special area of physics ) with the most advanced course being " Optics and Modern Physics ?
" I think in my undergrad we touched on relativity in required physics courses with several advanced courses devoted entirely to it and its special forms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

It is amazing to have done this by age 11 but it is a 2 year associates degree of liberal arts in astrophysics.
Once again, I'm not trying to detract from his accomplishments but this isn't exactly as intensive as a four year bachelor's of science.
I was looking for a course plan from that college but could not find one for astrophysics [google.com] ... if you look up regular physics [elac.edu], it simply says "The item you selected does not have a Certificate/Degree.
"  Please note their general catalogue has no mention of astrophysics [elac.edu].
This is the extent of all of their Physics courses:

 PHYSICS 001 Mechanics of SolidsPHYSICS 002 Mechanics of Fluids, Heat and SoundPHYSICS 003 Electricity and MagnetismPHYSICS 004 Optics and Modern PhysicsPHYSICS 006 General Physics IPHYSICS 007 General Physics IIPHYSICS 011 Introductory PhysicsPHYSICS 021 General Physics I with CalculusPHYSICS 022 General Physics II with Calculus

Leaves a bit to be desired.
Is it possible to "get" a degree in physics (let alone a special area of physics) with the most advanced course being "Optics and Modern Physics?
"  I think in my undergrad we touched on relativity in required physics courses with several advanced courses devoted entirely to it and its special forms.</sentencetext>
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	<title>OK ok ok ok</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244488920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Not to knock this kid's accomplishments. I took a summer class years ago as an undergrad at my local community college in FL. Our instructor for an Am History class was also a 6th grade teacher. Her class was probably the worst higher education course I have taken in my life. She treated us like 6th graders, she had us read from a text book, and she had us memorize questions and answers for multiple choice tests. This was a huge departure from what I was accustomed to. It was a missed opportunity to really debate historical events and explore the nuances of past conflicts. The content was not difficult and was completely accessible to a 6th grader. I could, however, imagine a 6th grader struggling with completing assignments on time, etc. A diligent parent or a dedicated learner could have definitely licked that class.</p><p>Are the things taught in college really that difficult or do they just require maturity to be able to meet the requirements of the class?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to knock this kid 's accomplishments .
I took a summer class years ago as an undergrad at my local community college in FL .
Our instructor for an Am History class was also a 6th grade teacher .
Her class was probably the worst higher education course I have taken in my life .
She treated us like 6th graders , she had us read from a text book , and she had us memorize questions and answers for multiple choice tests .
This was a huge departure from what I was accustomed to .
It was a missed opportunity to really debate historical events and explore the nuances of past conflicts .
The content was not difficult and was completely accessible to a 6th grader .
I could , however , imagine a 6th grader struggling with completing assignments on time , etc .
A diligent parent or a dedicated learner could have definitely licked that class.Are the things taught in college really that difficult or do they just require maturity to be able to meet the requirements of the class ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to knock this kid's accomplishments.
I took a summer class years ago as an undergrad at my local community college in FL.
Our instructor for an Am History class was also a 6th grade teacher.
Her class was probably the worst higher education course I have taken in my life.
She treated us like 6th graders, she had us read from a text book, and she had us memorize questions and answers for multiple choice tests.
This was a huge departure from what I was accustomed to.
It was a missed opportunity to really debate historical events and explore the nuances of past conflicts.
The content was not difficult and was completely accessible to a 6th grader.
I could, however, imagine a 6th grader struggling with completing assignments on time, etc.
A diligent parent or a dedicated learner could have definitely licked that class.Are the things taught in college really that difficult or do they just require maturity to be able to meet the requirements of the class?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254467</id>
	<title>Re:Um, not to rain on his parade...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244491980000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Do remember, though, that a large number of those trained in the medical fields (including RNs) are trained in community colleges.  In one case, my former school had the second highest pass rate for the NCLEX in the state, as well as more hands-on time with patients.</p><p>Still, some of us see the limitations and go further/elsewhere (I hope to get my DNP at some point), but there is no denying that some rather difficult topics are covered, and covered well, at the CC level.</p><p>And even then, some of the courses being mocked are a lot more difficult than they were 20, 30 years ago.  Some of them didn't even exist.  Running a farm, for example, is a lot more than throwing seeds in the ground and then picking whatever grew.  Business management, chemistry, some mechanical ability, technological skills, are just some of the topics needed to run a farm.  My former school had specialties in dairy farming, and running a vineyard, as well as a winery.  These were all degree subjects, as well as some of the construction ones.  It's more than hammer nd nails i ousebuilding, you know.  That's why a lot of skilled trades make the big bucks, and right away, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do remember , though , that a large number of those trained in the medical fields ( including RNs ) are trained in community colleges .
In one case , my former school had the second highest pass rate for the NCLEX in the state , as well as more hands-on time with patients.Still , some of us see the limitations and go further/elsewhere ( I hope to get my DNP at some point ) , but there is no denying that some rather difficult topics are covered , and covered well , at the CC level.And even then , some of the courses being mocked are a lot more difficult than they were 20 , 30 years ago .
Some of them did n't even exist .
Running a farm , for example , is a lot more than throwing seeds in the ground and then picking whatever grew .
Business management , chemistry , some mechanical ability , technological skills , are just some of the topics needed to run a farm .
My former school had specialties in dairy farming , and running a vineyard , as well as a winery .
These were all degree subjects , as well as some of the construction ones .
It 's more than hammer nd nails i ousebuilding , you know .
That 's why a lot of skilled trades make the big bucks , and right away , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do remember, though, that a large number of those trained in the medical fields (including RNs) are trained in community colleges.
In one case, my former school had the second highest pass rate for the NCLEX in the state, as well as more hands-on time with patients.Still, some of us see the limitations and go further/elsewhere (I hope to get my DNP at some point), but there is no denying that some rather difficult topics are covered, and covered well, at the CC level.And even then, some of the courses being mocked are a lot more difficult than they were 20, 30 years ago.
Some of them didn't even exist.
Running a farm, for example, is a lot more than throwing seeds in the ground and then picking whatever grew.
Business management, chemistry, some mechanical ability, technological skills, are just some of the topics needed to run a farm.
My former school had specialties in dairy farming, and running a vineyard, as well as a winery.
These were all degree subjects, as well as some of the construction ones.
It's more than hammer nd nails i ousebuilding, you know.
That's why a lot of skilled trades make the big bucks, and right away, too.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>Plunky</author>
	<datestamp>1244484840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I believe MENSA requires an IQ of 160 or higher.</p></div></blockquote><p>No, just the <a href="http://www.mensa.org/index0.php?page=10" title="mensa.org">top 2\%</a> [mensa.org] but they do say that tests vary. IIRC an intelligence test should be tailored to the range that you are expecting the candidate to score in, they must be able to get wrong answers because all questions correct only indicates the test was too easy.</p><p>Also, intelligence of young persons varies as they mature, this boy is nowhere near finished with his development and could be a hard pushed early starter or a true star in the making. Its not really possible to know at this stage and there is plenty of time to fall by the wayside..</p></div>
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<tokenext>I believe MENSA requires an IQ of 160 or higher.No , just the top 2 \ % [ mensa.org ] but they do say that tests vary .
IIRC an intelligence test should be tailored to the range that you are expecting the candidate to score in , they must be able to get wrong answers because all questions correct only indicates the test was too easy.Also , intelligence of young persons varies as they mature , this boy is nowhere near finished with his development and could be a hard pushed early starter or a true star in the making .
Its not really possible to know at this stage and there is plenty of time to fall by the wayside. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe MENSA requires an IQ of 160 or higher.No, just the top 2\% [mensa.org] but they do say that tests vary.
IIRC an intelligence test should be tailored to the range that you are expecting the candidate to score in, they must be able to get wrong answers because all questions correct only indicates the test was too easy.Also, intelligence of young persons varies as they mature, this boy is nowhere near finished with his development and could be a hard pushed early starter or a true star in the making.
Its not really possible to know at this stage and there is plenty of time to fall by the wayside..
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	<title>Aspergers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244482320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I think as we grow more aware of the extraordinary talents and focuses of those that are on the autism spectrum, we will see more of these fast-track through college kids.  People with autism spectrum disorders tend to develop intellectually much faster, but when it comes to dealing with the real world, are usually way behind their peers.  One big clue is that he sees no purpose to games.  The unpredictability is probably overwhelming to him at this point in his development.  If he has motor-coordination issues, that could also make him dislike sports.</p><p>So, we'll come to accept people like this for who they are, give them an outlet for their early intellectual development, and also provide a society that supports the fact that emotionally they may be far behind their peers.  That sounds like a much better world than one that treats ASD's as a disease or freakshow.  While is IQ may qualify as genius, I hope his parents realize that he may very well be disabled in other areas of functioning, and give him the proper support.  Too often, people like this feel enormous pressure, and get no support for their weaknesses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think as we grow more aware of the extraordinary talents and focuses of those that are on the autism spectrum , we will see more of these fast-track through college kids .
People with autism spectrum disorders tend to develop intellectually much faster , but when it comes to dealing with the real world , are usually way behind their peers .
One big clue is that he sees no purpose to games .
The unpredictability is probably overwhelming to him at this point in his development .
If he has motor-coordination issues , that could also make him dislike sports.So , we 'll come to accept people like this for who they are , give them an outlet for their early intellectual development , and also provide a society that supports the fact that emotionally they may be far behind their peers .
That sounds like a much better world than one that treats ASD 's as a disease or freakshow .
While is IQ may qualify as genius , I hope his parents realize that he may very well be disabled in other areas of functioning , and give him the proper support .
Too often , people like this feel enormous pressure , and get no support for their weaknesses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think as we grow more aware of the extraordinary talents and focuses of those that are on the autism spectrum, we will see more of these fast-track through college kids.
People with autism spectrum disorders tend to develop intellectually much faster, but when it comes to dealing with the real world, are usually way behind their peers.
One big clue is that he sees no purpose to games.
The unpredictability is probably overwhelming to him at this point in his development.
If he has motor-coordination issues, that could also make him dislike sports.So, we'll come to accept people like this for who they are, give them an outlet for their early intellectual development, and also provide a society that supports the fact that emotionally they may be far behind their peers.
That sounds like a much better world than one that treats ASD's as a disease or freakshow.
While is IQ may qualify as genius, I hope his parents realize that he may very well be disabled in other areas of functioning, and give him the proper support.
Too often, people like this feel enormous pressure, and get no support for their weaknesses.</sentencetext>
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	<title>So what</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244482140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>If I was too young to buy booze and be interested in chicks I probably could have got an A+ too. Show off....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I was too young to buy booze and be interested in chicks I probably could have got an A + too .
Show off... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I was too young to buy booze and be interested in chicks I probably could have got an A+ too.
Show off....</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Big Deal...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244482500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>At 14?  With your teacher?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At 14 ?
With your teacher ?
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At 14?
With your teacher?
;-)</sentencetext>
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	<title>detract from the alma mater, not the kid</title>
	<author>skathe</author>
	<datestamp>1244486700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>there are exactly zero community colleges that have accredited astrophysics programs.  they simply don't have the funding, equipment, or facilities to carry out the experiments and other "hands-on" curriculum.</p><p>what's really interesting about this post:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>PHYSICS 001 Mechanics of Solids</p><p>PHYSICS 002 Mechanics of Fluids, Heat and Sound</p><p>PHYSICS 003 Electricity and Magnetism</p><p>PHYSICS 004 Optics and Modern Physics</p><p>PHYSICS 006 General Physics I</p><p>PHYSICS 007 General Physics II</p><p>PHYSICS 011 Introductory Physics</p><p>PHYSICS 021 General Physics I with Calculus</p><p>PHYSICS 022 General Physics II with Calculus</p></div><p> is that all the course numbers start with 0.  This is usually a sign of either a) remedial courses or b) non-accredited programs.</p><p>I understand that graduating with any sort of college degree at the age of 11 is very impressive, but this is simply NOT a degree in astrophysics, and doesn't really even approach it.  Another dead give away that this is a totally bogus degree is that it's an Associates Degree of Liberal Arts.  Physics, in any form, is NOT a liberal art.  Being that it's not, at the very least, an Associates Degree of Science (which is still pretty shady for "astrophysics" since it's VERY theoretical) raises a huge red flag.  I would be very surprised to find that even half of the credits for the courses he took are accepted at any 4 year university offering a Bachelor's of Science in Physics.</p></div>
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<tokenext>there are exactly zero community colleges that have accredited astrophysics programs .
they simply do n't have the funding , equipment , or facilities to carry out the experiments and other " hands-on " curriculum.what 's really interesting about this post : PHYSICS 001 Mechanics of SolidsPHYSICS 002 Mechanics of Fluids , Heat and SoundPHYSICS 003 Electricity and MagnetismPHYSICS 004 Optics and Modern PhysicsPHYSICS 006 General Physics IPHYSICS 007 General Physics IIPHYSICS 011 Introductory PhysicsPHYSICS 021 General Physics I with CalculusPHYSICS 022 General Physics II with Calculus is that all the course numbers start with 0 .
This is usually a sign of either a ) remedial courses or b ) non-accredited programs.I understand that graduating with any sort of college degree at the age of 11 is very impressive , but this is simply NOT a degree in astrophysics , and does n't really even approach it .
Another dead give away that this is a totally bogus degree is that it 's an Associates Degree of Liberal Arts .
Physics , in any form , is NOT a liberal art .
Being that it 's not , at the very least , an Associates Degree of Science ( which is still pretty shady for " astrophysics " since it 's VERY theoretical ) raises a huge red flag .
I would be very surprised to find that even half of the credits for the courses he took are accepted at any 4 year university offering a Bachelor 's of Science in Physics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there are exactly zero community colleges that have accredited astrophysics programs.
they simply don't have the funding, equipment, or facilities to carry out the experiments and other "hands-on" curriculum.what's really interesting about this post:PHYSICS 001 Mechanics of SolidsPHYSICS 002 Mechanics of Fluids, Heat and SoundPHYSICS 003 Electricity and MagnetismPHYSICS 004 Optics and Modern PhysicsPHYSICS 006 General Physics IPHYSICS 007 General Physics IIPHYSICS 011 Introductory PhysicsPHYSICS 021 General Physics I with CalculusPHYSICS 022 General Physics II with Calculus is that all the course numbers start with 0.
This is usually a sign of either a) remedial courses or b) non-accredited programs.I understand that graduating with any sort of college degree at the age of 11 is very impressive, but this is simply NOT a degree in astrophysics, and doesn't really even approach it.
Another dead give away that this is a totally bogus degree is that it's an Associates Degree of Liberal Arts.
Physics, in any form, is NOT a liberal art.
Being that it's not, at the very least, an Associates Degree of Science (which is still pretty shady for "astrophysics" since it's VERY theoretical) raises a huge red flag.
I would be very surprised to find that even half of the credits for the courses he took are accepted at any 4 year university offering a Bachelor's of Science in Physics.
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	<title>Great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Great, more kids that are smarter than I am.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , more kids that are smarter than I am .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great, more kids that are smarter than I am.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Blaming the student for being ignorant</title>
	<author>unlametheweak</author>
	<datestamp>1244482800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Daniel Judge, Cavalin's statistics professor says, "Most students think that things should be harder than they are and they put these mental blocks in front of them and they make things harder than they should be.</p></div><p>I've heard it before. <i>It's not the teacher's inability to teach, but it is the student's fault</i>. The "Fear of Math" syndrome. People need to wake up to the reality that success is largely based on environment. If people, for example, don't have access to astro-physics books, then they are unlikely to be astrophysicists. And educational attainment has more to do with one's parents and up-bringing than with one's own inherent intellectual ability.</p><p>I'd be more impressed if this child didn't have access to books and preferential treatment from parents and teachers and succeeded on his own to become an astrophysicist. I would also prefer to see professor Daniel Judge fired from his job for his inability to teach students.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Daniel Judge , Cavalin 's statistics professor says , " Most students think that things should be harder than they are and they put these mental blocks in front of them and they make things harder than they should be.I 've heard it before .
It 's not the teacher 's inability to teach , but it is the student 's fault .
The " Fear of Math " syndrome .
People need to wake up to the reality that success is largely based on environment .
If people , for example , do n't have access to astro-physics books , then they are unlikely to be astrophysicists .
And educational attainment has more to do with one 's parents and up-bringing than with one 's own inherent intellectual ability.I 'd be more impressed if this child did n't have access to books and preferential treatment from parents and teachers and succeeded on his own to become an astrophysicist .
I would also prefer to see professor Daniel Judge fired from his job for his inability to teach students .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Daniel Judge, Cavalin's statistics professor says, "Most students think that things should be harder than they are and they put these mental blocks in front of them and they make things harder than they should be.I've heard it before.
It's not the teacher's inability to teach, but it is the student's fault.
The "Fear of Math" syndrome.
People need to wake up to the reality that success is largely based on environment.
If people, for example, don't have access to astro-physics books, then they are unlikely to be astrophysicists.
And educational attainment has more to do with one's parents and up-bringing than with one's own inherent intellectual ability.I'd be more impressed if this child didn't have access to books and preferential treatment from parents and teachers and succeeded on his own to become an astrophysicist.
I would also prefer to see professor Daniel Judge fired from his job for his inability to teach students.
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	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hum, being so precocious, he is probably very intelligent. Why then go to community college? I am not entirely familiar with US education system, but I was under the impression that these places were considered much less challenging.</p></div><p>Well they aren't challenging at all.</p><p>The only thing this proves is they're so easy that a 11yo kid can do it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Hum , being so precocious , he is probably very intelligent .
Why then go to community college ?
I am not entirely familiar with US education system , but I was under the impression that these places were considered much less challenging.Well they are n't challenging at all.The only thing this proves is they 're so easy that a 11yo kid can do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hum, being so precocious, he is probably very intelligent.
Why then go to community college?
I am not entirely familiar with US education system, but I was under the impression that these places were considered much less challenging.Well they aren't challenging at all.The only thing this proves is they're so easy that a 11yo kid can do it.
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	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p>In Virginia at least, public universities are required to waive all general education requirements if you obtain a two-year degree prior to enrolling in a bachelor's degree program. So it's quite possible all the classes he took were cheap <i>and</i> useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Virginia at least , public universities are required to waive all general education requirements if you obtain a two-year degree prior to enrolling in a bachelor 's degree program .
So it 's quite possible all the classes he took were cheap and useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Virginia at least, public universities are required to waive all general education requirements if you obtain a two-year degree prior to enrolling in a bachelor's degree program.
So it's quite possible all the classes he took were cheap and useful.</sentencetext>
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	<title>I'm not surprised....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Its not rocket science after all</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not rocket science after all</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not rocket science after all</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28271009</id>
	<title>Hyper fast advancement through school</title>
	<author>samwhite\_y</author>
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	<htmltext><p>I always wonder what the parents are thinking when they push their kid through the entire K-12-BA school system at such a fast rate. Do they really believe that the kid is better set up for life at that point then if they were to take their time and send the kid to a better college where the kid would get an early exposure to professors who are leaders in research in their respective fields? Better yet, have the kid skip out on the normal curriculum and find some more challenging instructional texts that the kid can do with remote supervision by a professor at a local college.</p><p>
There is a quote that I remember from one of my professors in college. When talking about a particularly bright kid, he said "that kid is sufficiently bright that our classes and curriculum are more of a hindrance than an aid". The implication is that accomplishing a BA degree is many times more about grinding through material than something that shows a real difference between those who are truly educated than those who are not. I can still remember Jay Leno's "Jay Walks" where he would ask college graduates questions that many (admittedly unusually smart) 12 year old kids (still not in high school) without a BA could answer easily.
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I have read enough biographies of those who end up with great achievements in their fields (Einstein and Newton being good examples). Almost none of them had abnormally accelerated the normal learning track. They almost always just side-stepped it. For example, in his teen age years Einstein was thinking thoughts that only specialized masters of those fields would be able to fully comprehend. Did his track record in school reflect this? No. (And if you follow Newton as a model, then you should force your child to be a farmer for a while so that they really will do anything they can to avoid that fate).
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<tokenext>I always wonder what the parents are thinking when they push their kid through the entire K-12-BA school system at such a fast rate .
Do they really believe that the kid is better set up for life at that point then if they were to take their time and send the kid to a better college where the kid would get an early exposure to professors who are leaders in research in their respective fields ?
Better yet , have the kid skip out on the normal curriculum and find some more challenging instructional texts that the kid can do with remote supervision by a professor at a local college .
There is a quote that I remember from one of my professors in college .
When talking about a particularly bright kid , he said " that kid is sufficiently bright that our classes and curriculum are more of a hindrance than an aid " .
The implication is that accomplishing a BA degree is many times more about grinding through material than something that shows a real difference between those who are truly educated than those who are not .
I can still remember Jay Leno 's " Jay Walks " where he would ask college graduates questions that many ( admittedly unusually smart ) 12 year old kids ( still not in high school ) without a BA could answer easily .
I have read enough biographies of those who end up with great achievements in their fields ( Einstein and Newton being good examples ) .
Almost none of them had abnormally accelerated the normal learning track .
They almost always just side-stepped it .
For example , in his teen age years Einstein was thinking thoughts that only specialized masters of those fields would be able to fully comprehend .
Did his track record in school reflect this ?
No. ( And if you follow Newton as a model , then you should force your child to be a farmer for a while so that they really will do anything they can to avoid that fate ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always wonder what the parents are thinking when they push their kid through the entire K-12-BA school system at such a fast rate.
Do they really believe that the kid is better set up for life at that point then if they were to take their time and send the kid to a better college where the kid would get an early exposure to professors who are leaders in research in their respective fields?
Better yet, have the kid skip out on the normal curriculum and find some more challenging instructional texts that the kid can do with remote supervision by a professor at a local college.
There is a quote that I remember from one of my professors in college.
When talking about a particularly bright kid, he said "that kid is sufficiently bright that our classes and curriculum are more of a hindrance than an aid".
The implication is that accomplishing a BA degree is many times more about grinding through material than something that shows a real difference between those who are truly educated than those who are not.
I can still remember Jay Leno's "Jay Walks" where he would ask college graduates questions that many (admittedly unusually smart) 12 year old kids (still not in high school) without a BA could answer easily.
I have read enough biographies of those who end up with great achievements in their fields (Einstein and Newton being good examples).
Almost none of them had abnormally accelerated the normal learning track.
They almost always just side-stepped it.
For example, in his teen age years Einstein was thinking thoughts that only specialized masters of those fields would be able to fully comprehend.
Did his track record in school reflect this?
No. (And if you follow Newton as a model, then you should force your child to be a farmer for a while so that they really will do anything they can to avoid that fate).

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	<title>His degree should be in politics</title>
	<author>hessian</author>
	<datestamp>1244494260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"I don't consider myself a genius because there are 6.5 billion people in this world and each one is smart in his or her own way."</p></div><p>The guys driving around me on the freeway today are not geniuses. Not everyone is smart. Deal with it and stop flattering the crowd.</p></div>
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<tokenext>" I do n't consider myself a genius because there are 6.5 billion people in this world and each one is smart in his or her own way .
" The guys driving around me on the freeway today are not geniuses .
Not everyone is smart .
Deal with it and stop flattering the crowd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I don't consider myself a genius because there are 6.5 billion people in this world and each one is smart in his or her own way.
"The guys driving around me on the freeway today are not geniuses.
Not everyone is smart.
Deal with it and stop flattering the crowd.
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	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244538720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>In the UK we do school until we're 16 at which point we do our GCSEs, at 16 - 18 we do A-Levels, then we go to University.</p><p>I dropped out of my A-Levels and went straight into a software engineering job at 16 simply because I found my A-Levels dull, they were just regurgitating stuff I already knew inside out, I would much rather have been able to go straight to university where I could actually learn stuff. No university would take me without A-Levels though yet it would've only taken a 15 minute interview from a comp. sci. professor to see that I was in fact ready.</p><p>I did go back and do a degree in the end although at this point I'd been working in software engineering and continuing to learn off my own back in my own time and really I found a computing degree rather easy - I'd rather have gone straight in to do a Masters degree. In the end I switched to a primarily maths degree and found it much more of a challenge because it wasn't a subject I was as strong in.</p><p>I found my own way regardless and have done okay for myself but I truly do think the system failed me. But even at GCSE level I failed miserably at French and got an E, but to do a language was mandatory, the problem is I had no care or interest for learning a language at that age so I just didn't bother with it. There is certainly a case to be made that we should broaden kids horizons by teaching them a wide range of subjects but it should not be be allowed to hold them back in subjects they do well at.</p><p>I think there's also a bias to only finding geniuses in certain subjects too however, when I look back now at code I wrote when I was younger I believe I could've been to computing and software engineering what this kid is to physics, but the problem was no one saw a kid being good as computing as something unique - they put me in with all the other kids that were seen as "computer wizz kids" just because we were all tapping away at a keyboard, the differences is they were typing e-mails to each other and I was writing a distributed, concurrent application in C++ at the time. It took until I was 16, and hence legally old enough to leave schooling and work full time for my skills to be recognised by business. I do feel then from my experience that our academic system is full of flaws, apart from the fact most exams as they're set are stupid because they only really test crystalised and not fluid knowledge for the most part there are as I say limitations to the path your expected to follow in education that hold kids who are good at their preferred subject back. I think it's a sad testament to our education system that it took industry to pick me up and the education system completely missed me.</p><p>I know this post may sound big headed, but I'm trying to be as honest as possible about my experience. I'd be lying if I didn't say I knew at a young age I was good - as I say, when most the class were first playing with e-mail I was busy writing some pretty complex apps.<br>Despite that I do not think I'm terribly unique or uncommon in my abilities I think there are many more like me across the country, I think a large portion of drop outs are probably actually extremely bright kids who have simply been failed by the system and not given opportunity to learn what they want to learn, they've just been forced to learn whatever the government thinks they should learn. It probably says something that some of the worlds biggest successes (i.e. Bill Gates) were themselves drop outs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the UK we do school until we 're 16 at which point we do our GCSEs , at 16 - 18 we do A-Levels , then we go to University.I dropped out of my A-Levels and went straight into a software engineering job at 16 simply because I found my A-Levels dull , they were just regurgitating stuff I already knew inside out , I would much rather have been able to go straight to university where I could actually learn stuff .
No university would take me without A-Levels though yet it would 've only taken a 15 minute interview from a comp .
sci. professor to see that I was in fact ready.I did go back and do a degree in the end although at this point I 'd been working in software engineering and continuing to learn off my own back in my own time and really I found a computing degree rather easy - I 'd rather have gone straight in to do a Masters degree .
In the end I switched to a primarily maths degree and found it much more of a challenge because it was n't a subject I was as strong in.I found my own way regardless and have done okay for myself but I truly do think the system failed me .
But even at GCSE level I failed miserably at French and got an E , but to do a language was mandatory , the problem is I had no care or interest for learning a language at that age so I just did n't bother with it .
There is certainly a case to be made that we should broaden kids horizons by teaching them a wide range of subjects but it should not be be allowed to hold them back in subjects they do well at.I think there 's also a bias to only finding geniuses in certain subjects too however , when I look back now at code I wrote when I was younger I believe I could 've been to computing and software engineering what this kid is to physics , but the problem was no one saw a kid being good as computing as something unique - they put me in with all the other kids that were seen as " computer wizz kids " just because we were all tapping away at a keyboard , the differences is they were typing e-mails to each other and I was writing a distributed , concurrent application in C + + at the time .
It took until I was 16 , and hence legally old enough to leave schooling and work full time for my skills to be recognised by business .
I do feel then from my experience that our academic system is full of flaws , apart from the fact most exams as they 're set are stupid because they only really test crystalised and not fluid knowledge for the most part there are as I say limitations to the path your expected to follow in education that hold kids who are good at their preferred subject back .
I think it 's a sad testament to our education system that it took industry to pick me up and the education system completely missed me.I know this post may sound big headed , but I 'm trying to be as honest as possible about my experience .
I 'd be lying if I did n't say I knew at a young age I was good - as I say , when most the class were first playing with e-mail I was busy writing some pretty complex apps.Despite that I do not think I 'm terribly unique or uncommon in my abilities I think there are many more like me across the country , I think a large portion of drop outs are probably actually extremely bright kids who have simply been failed by the system and not given opportunity to learn what they want to learn , they 've just been forced to learn whatever the government thinks they should learn .
It probably says something that some of the worlds biggest successes ( i.e .
Bill Gates ) were themselves drop outs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the UK we do school until we're 16 at which point we do our GCSEs, at 16 - 18 we do A-Levels, then we go to University.I dropped out of my A-Levels and went straight into a software engineering job at 16 simply because I found my A-Levels dull, they were just regurgitating stuff I already knew inside out, I would much rather have been able to go straight to university where I could actually learn stuff.
No university would take me without A-Levels though yet it would've only taken a 15 minute interview from a comp.
sci. professor to see that I was in fact ready.I did go back and do a degree in the end although at this point I'd been working in software engineering and continuing to learn off my own back in my own time and really I found a computing degree rather easy - I'd rather have gone straight in to do a Masters degree.
In the end I switched to a primarily maths degree and found it much more of a challenge because it wasn't a subject I was as strong in.I found my own way regardless and have done okay for myself but I truly do think the system failed me.
But even at GCSE level I failed miserably at French and got an E, but to do a language was mandatory, the problem is I had no care or interest for learning a language at that age so I just didn't bother with it.
There is certainly a case to be made that we should broaden kids horizons by teaching them a wide range of subjects but it should not be be allowed to hold them back in subjects they do well at.I think there's also a bias to only finding geniuses in certain subjects too however, when I look back now at code I wrote when I was younger I believe I could've been to computing and software engineering what this kid is to physics, but the problem was no one saw a kid being good as computing as something unique - they put me in with all the other kids that were seen as "computer wizz kids" just because we were all tapping away at a keyboard, the differences is they were typing e-mails to each other and I was writing a distributed, concurrent application in C++ at the time.
It took until I was 16, and hence legally old enough to leave schooling and work full time for my skills to be recognised by business.
I do feel then from my experience that our academic system is full of flaws, apart from the fact most exams as they're set are stupid because they only really test crystalised and not fluid knowledge for the most part there are as I say limitations to the path your expected to follow in education that hold kids who are good at their preferred subject back.
I think it's a sad testament to our education system that it took industry to pick me up and the education system completely missed me.I know this post may sound big headed, but I'm trying to be as honest as possible about my experience.
I'd be lying if I didn't say I knew at a young age I was good - as I say, when most the class were first playing with e-mail I was busy writing some pretty complex apps.Despite that I do not think I'm terribly unique or uncommon in my abilities I think there are many more like me across the country, I think a large portion of drop outs are probably actually extremely bright kids who have simply been failed by the system and not given opportunity to learn what they want to learn, they've just been forced to learn whatever the government thinks they should learn.
It probably says something that some of the worlds biggest successes (i.e.
Bill Gates) were themselves drop outs.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1244493480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>[quote]Brilliant little kid, I must say. And I am very glad that he is given the recognition he deserves.[/quote]</p><p>The kid is only 11.</p><p>I'm not saying he isn't smart, particularly gifted, or even a genius. But at 11, a child is still very, very impressionable. Something like "intelligence" or "genius" can be easily "faked" through any number of other abilities (alone or in combination) such as:</p><p>photographic memory</p><p>very good at memorization</p><p>very impressionable</p><p>In short, this kid could simply be repeating what he's being told and/or what he's reading. It is a community college, after all: they tend to coddle their students, repeat things, and cover everything which will be on the exam in class. If he's an auditory savant of some sort (ie remembers everything he hears), as would be suggested by parent-parrot statements like "I like to study just because knowledge goes to wisdom and only by wisdom can we help the world"), then I'd say there's a good chance he just remembers stuff.</p><p>This is true particularly when you've got parents who push your potential and try to also instill their worldview on you. I've known a couple people who are absolutely incredible when it comes to remembering things - but they're only so-so on the logic and thought side of things. Vice versa also applies (smart, can't remember shit) and various combinations thereof.</p><p>Sure, they're smart. Genius? No, probably not. Geniuses are, in my experience, somewhat socially dysfunctional. I know a girl who could (so she claimed) read by age 2 or so from the dictionary, can speak 4 languages, and scored a mere 27 (IIRC) on the ACT college entrance exam. Her brother, on the other hand, comes across as a bumbling simpleton, but aced the exam. Socially and intellectually, I suspect she could've gotten a college degree at 11 from a community college. He probably couldn't, simply on the personal-relation side of things.</p></div>
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<tokenext>[ quote ] Brilliant little kid , I must say .
And I am very glad that he is given the recognition he deserves .
[ /quote ] The kid is only 11.I 'm not saying he is n't smart , particularly gifted , or even a genius .
But at 11 , a child is still very , very impressionable .
Something like " intelligence " or " genius " can be easily " faked " through any number of other abilities ( alone or in combination ) such as : photographic memoryvery good at memorizationvery impressionableIn short , this kid could simply be repeating what he 's being told and/or what he 's reading .
It is a community college , after all : they tend to coddle their students , repeat things , and cover everything which will be on the exam in class .
If he 's an auditory savant of some sort ( ie remembers everything he hears ) , as would be suggested by parent-parrot statements like " I like to study just because knowledge goes to wisdom and only by wisdom can we help the world " ) , then I 'd say there 's a good chance he just remembers stuff.This is true particularly when you 've got parents who push your potential and try to also instill their worldview on you .
I 've known a couple people who are absolutely incredible when it comes to remembering things - but they 're only so-so on the logic and thought side of things .
Vice versa also applies ( smart , ca n't remember shit ) and various combinations thereof.Sure , they 're smart .
Genius ? No , probably not .
Geniuses are , in my experience , somewhat socially dysfunctional .
I know a girl who could ( so she claimed ) read by age 2 or so from the dictionary , can speak 4 languages , and scored a mere 27 ( IIRC ) on the ACT college entrance exam .
Her brother , on the other hand , comes across as a bumbling simpleton , but aced the exam .
Socially and intellectually , I suspect she could 've gotten a college degree at 11 from a community college .
He probably could n't , simply on the personal-relation side of things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[quote]Brilliant little kid, I must say.
And I am very glad that he is given the recognition he deserves.
[/quote]The kid is only 11.I'm not saying he isn't smart, particularly gifted, or even a genius.
But at 11, a child is still very, very impressionable.
Something like "intelligence" or "genius" can be easily "faked" through any number of other abilities (alone or in combination) such as:photographic memoryvery good at memorizationvery impressionableIn short, this kid could simply be repeating what he's being told and/or what he's reading.
It is a community college, after all: they tend to coddle their students, repeat things, and cover everything which will be on the exam in class.
If he's an auditory savant of some sort (ie remembers everything he hears), as would be suggested by parent-parrot statements like "I like to study just because knowledge goes to wisdom and only by wisdom can we help the world"), then I'd say there's a good chance he just remembers stuff.This is true particularly when you've got parents who push your potential and try to also instill their worldview on you.
I've known a couple people who are absolutely incredible when it comes to remembering things - but they're only so-so on the logic and thought side of things.
Vice versa also applies (smart, can't remember shit) and various combinations thereof.Sure, they're smart.
Genius? No, probably not.
Geniuses are, in my experience, somewhat socially dysfunctional.
I know a girl who could (so she claimed) read by age 2 or so from the dictionary, can speak 4 languages, and scored a mere 27 (IIRC) on the ACT college entrance exam.
Her brother, on the other hand, comes across as a bumbling simpleton, but aced the exam.
Socially and intellectually, I suspect she could've gotten a college degree at 11 from a community college.
He probably couldn't, simply on the personal-relation side of things.
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	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>WeirdJohn</author>
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	<htmltext><p>It's hard enough for a gifted child to grow up emotionally balanced and ethically clear-minded.  Far too many gifted kids end up on drugs or worse.  In most normal schools the gifted runs a strong chance of being socially isolated.  The kid doesn't usually notice this (after all his real friends are books) but he does when he has to interact with normal people later in life.</p><p>I'm currently working in a school for gifted kids, and the main emphasis is on them getting this social stuff together.  In some cases it's working, in others you can see that the kids need a really big dose of reality and relax.  Too many of them don't get jokes, ride bikes, climb trees or jump in rivers.</p><p>As for your contention there is no proof, just go to the literature.  Social isolation amongst the gifted is commonly observed, especially between 10 and 16 years old.  I also lived it as a child, and have the physical scars to show what can happen to  a smart-alec kid who tries to mix with the other kids without pretending to be some one he isn't (cool knife Pete - oh shit, that really hurts when it hits bone).</p><p>Being a child genius is really hard unless you have an amazing support network.  Most 140+ kids have parents and teachers who have no idea what it's like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's hard enough for a gifted child to grow up emotionally balanced and ethically clear-minded .
Far too many gifted kids end up on drugs or worse .
In most normal schools the gifted runs a strong chance of being socially isolated .
The kid does n't usually notice this ( after all his real friends are books ) but he does when he has to interact with normal people later in life.I 'm currently working in a school for gifted kids , and the main emphasis is on them getting this social stuff together .
In some cases it 's working , in others you can see that the kids need a really big dose of reality and relax .
Too many of them do n't get jokes , ride bikes , climb trees or jump in rivers.As for your contention there is no proof , just go to the literature .
Social isolation amongst the gifted is commonly observed , especially between 10 and 16 years old .
I also lived it as a child , and have the physical scars to show what can happen to a smart-alec kid who tries to mix with the other kids without pretending to be some one he is n't ( cool knife Pete - oh shit , that really hurts when it hits bone ) .Being a child genius is really hard unless you have an amazing support network .
Most 140 + kids have parents and teachers who have no idea what it 's like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's hard enough for a gifted child to grow up emotionally balanced and ethically clear-minded.
Far too many gifted kids end up on drugs or worse.
In most normal schools the gifted runs a strong chance of being socially isolated.
The kid doesn't usually notice this (after all his real friends are books) but he does when he has to interact with normal people later in life.I'm currently working in a school for gifted kids, and the main emphasis is on them getting this social stuff together.
In some cases it's working, in others you can see that the kids need a really big dose of reality and relax.
Too many of them don't get jokes, ride bikes, climb trees or jump in rivers.As for your contention there is no proof, just go to the literature.
Social isolation amongst the gifted is commonly observed, especially between 10 and 16 years old.
I also lived it as a child, and have the physical scars to show what can happen to  a smart-alec kid who tries to mix with the other kids without pretending to be some one he isn't (cool knife Pete - oh shit, that really hurts when it hits bone).Being a child genius is really hard unless you have an amazing support network.
Most 140+ kids have parents and teachers who have no idea what it's like.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Games Are a "Waste of Time"</title>
	<author>Bugs42</author>
	<datestamp>1244467980000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> today's video games are basically engineered to be time wasters. There's no real intellectual challenge to them, nothing to be learned.</p></div><p>You're totally right. There are absolutely <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal\_(video\_game)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">no video games</a> [wikipedia.org] out there that require <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid\_(game)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">any thought</a> [wikipedia.org] whatsoever.</p><p>There's more to the gaming world than Halo and GTA (not that there's anything wrong with them, I enjoy both of those series, I just happen to like other games as well).</p></div>
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<tokenext>today 's video games are basically engineered to be time wasters .
There 's no real intellectual challenge to them , nothing to be learned.You 're totally right .
There are absolutely no video games [ wikipedia.org ] out there that require any thought [ wikipedia.org ] whatsoever.There 's more to the gaming world than Halo and GTA ( not that there 's anything wrong with them , I enjoy both of those series , I just happen to like other games as well ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> today's video games are basically engineered to be time wasters.
There's no real intellectual challenge to them, nothing to be learned.You're totally right.
There are absolutely no video games [wikipedia.org] out there that require any thought [wikipedia.org] whatsoever.There's more to the gaming world than Halo and GTA (not that there's anything wrong with them, I enjoy both of those series, I just happen to like other games as well).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28259855</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>mqduck</author>
	<datestamp>1244471700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Being different in school SUCKS ASS. [...] Social peers is all to often a nice waying of saying "hang out with the half wits".</p></div><p>And, with that, you prove that you had as much to do with defining yourself as "different" as your peers did (or that you both played a part... you know what I mean). You internalized their scorn, transformed it, and made it your own, a powerful and perhaps necessary defense mechanism (I did it too). But you're all grown up now, high school is over. Let's get over such negative thinking about ourselves and others.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Being different in school SUCKS ASS .
[ ... ] Social peers is all to often a nice waying of saying " hang out with the half wits " .And , with that , you prove that you had as much to do with defining yourself as " different " as your peers did ( or that you both played a part... you know what I mean ) .
You internalized their scorn , transformed it , and made it your own , a powerful and perhaps necessary defense mechanism ( I did it too ) .
But you 're all grown up now , high school is over .
Let 's get over such negative thinking about ourselves and others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being different in school SUCKS ASS.
[...] Social peers is all to often a nice waying of saying "hang out with the half wits".And, with that, you prove that you had as much to do with defining yourself as "different" as your peers did (or that you both played a part... you know what I mean).
You internalized their scorn, transformed it, and made it your own, a powerful and perhaps necessary defense mechanism (I did it too).
But you're all grown up now, high school is over.
Let's get over such negative thinking about ourselves and others.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253183</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>Khashishi</author>
	<datestamp>1244486220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think there's a well-established standard for characterizing genius. It's just a subjective word, like tall. If someone says someone is tall, you don't say, no, he's not tall. He's 6'4" and the definition of tall is 6'6" or higher.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think there 's a well-established standard for characterizing genius .
It 's just a subjective word , like tall .
If someone says someone is tall , you do n't say , no , he 's not tall .
He 's 6'4 " and the definition of tall is 6'6 " or higher .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think there's a well-established standard for characterizing genius.
It's just a subjective word, like tall.
If someone says someone is tall, you don't say, no, he's not tall.
He's 6'4" and the definition of tall is 6'6" or higher.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252667</id>
	<title>Do the stupid homework</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1244483760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So she says, "Uh-uh, You don't have a challenge, you need a challenge." So now I'm challenged, all right- I'm challenged to hold on to my lunch money because of all the big mooses who wanna pound me, 'cause they think I'm a shrimpy dork who thinks he's smarter than them! But I don't think I'm smarter, I just do the stupid homework! If everyone else JUST DID THE STUPID HOMEWORK, they could [get a degree in astrophysics] and get pounded, too! Is there anymore coffee?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So she says , " Uh-uh , You do n't have a challenge , you need a challenge .
" So now I 'm challenged , all right- I 'm challenged to hold on to my lunch money because of all the big mooses who wan na pound me , 'cause they think I 'm a shrimpy dork who thinks he 's smarter than them !
But I do n't think I 'm smarter , I just do the stupid homework !
If everyone else JUST DID THE STUPID HOMEWORK , they could [ get a degree in astrophysics ] and get pounded , too !
Is there anymore coffee ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So she says, "Uh-uh, You don't have a challenge, you need a challenge.
" So now I'm challenged, all right- I'm challenged to hold on to my lunch money because of all the big mooses who wanna pound me, 'cause they think I'm a shrimpy dork who thinks he's smarter than them!
But I don't think I'm smarter, I just do the stupid homework!
If everyone else JUST DID THE STUPID HOMEWORK, they could [get a degree in astrophysics] and get pounded, too!
Is there anymore coffee?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253631</id>
	<title>Re:And was never heard from again. . .</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1244488560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Being smart isn't all there is to success. You also have to be in control of your emotions. And before age 25 or so, the part of the brain that handles emotions is still in flux. This kid genius could very well become too stressed or depressed to continue his out-performance once puberty kicks in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being smart is n't all there is to success .
You also have to be in control of your emotions .
And before age 25 or so , the part of the brain that handles emotions is still in flux .
This kid genius could very well become too stressed or depressed to continue his out-performance once puberty kicks in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being smart isn't all there is to success.
You also have to be in control of your emotions.
And before age 25 or so, the part of the brain that handles emotions is still in flux.
This kid genius could very well become too stressed or depressed to continue his out-performance once puberty kicks in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252243</id>
	<title>Hybrid vigor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244482380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hybrid vigor.</p><p>You you know what that is... you'll agree with me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hybrid vigor.You you know what that is... you 'll agree with me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hybrid vigor.You you know what that is... you'll agree with me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252097</id>
	<title>Big Deal...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I got laid at the age of 14. I doubt anyone with a degree in astrophysics is going to beat that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I got laid at the age of 14 .
I doubt anyone with a degree in astrophysics is going to beat that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got laid at the age of 14.
I doubt anyone with a degree in astrophysics is going to beat that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252937</id>
	<title>Ugh....</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1244484900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One of his primary interests is "wormholes," a hypothetical scientific phenomenon connected to Albert Einstein's theory of relativity. It has been theorized that if such holes do exist in space, they could &#226;" in tandem with black holes &#226;" allow for the kind of space-age time travel seen in science fiction.</p></div><p>"space-age time travel"?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"Just like black holes, they suck in particulate objects, and also like black holes, they also travel at escape velocity, which is, the speed to get out of there is faster than the speed of light," Cavalin says. "I'd like to prove that wormholes are really there and prove all the theories are correct."</p></div><p>"they also travel at escape velocity"?</p><p>Actually, though, we pick on him - about it being a community college, about his hokey "everyone is smart in their own way" line, etc. - but it does sound like he's a pretty smart kid, who's hopefully developing the kind of attitude which will help him avoid turning into a condescending prick later on.</p><p>His attitude about video games - from a practical standpoint he's exactly right.  Video games are a major time-sink.  If you're someone who wants to achieve things, that kind of time-sink can be a real problem.  Honestly I feel like it'll become something of a dilemma for me, especially once I have kids.  I really enjoy games, but I don't want them to be how I spend all my time...  And likewise, I wouldn't particularly want to deprive my little ones of the joys of gaming - but I don't want them to fall into it like a trap, either.  There's so much a person can do when they're young - I wouldn't want them to waste that time the way I generally did.</p></div>
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<tokenext>One of his primary interests is " wormholes , " a hypothetical scientific phenomenon connected to Albert Einstein 's theory of relativity .
It has been theorized that if such holes do exist in space , they could   " in tandem with black holes   " allow for the kind of space-age time travel seen in science fiction .
" space-age time travel " ?
" Just like black holes , they suck in particulate objects , and also like black holes , they also travel at escape velocity , which is , the speed to get out of there is faster than the speed of light , " Cavalin says .
" I 'd like to prove that wormholes are really there and prove all the theories are correct .
" " they also travel at escape velocity " ? Actually , though , we pick on him - about it being a community college , about his hokey " everyone is smart in their own way " line , etc .
- but it does sound like he 's a pretty smart kid , who 's hopefully developing the kind of attitude which will help him avoid turning into a condescending prick later on.His attitude about video games - from a practical standpoint he 's exactly right .
Video games are a major time-sink .
If you 're someone who wants to achieve things , that kind of time-sink can be a real problem .
Honestly I feel like it 'll become something of a dilemma for me , especially once I have kids .
I really enjoy games , but I do n't want them to be how I spend all my time... And likewise , I would n't particularly want to deprive my little ones of the joys of gaming - but I do n't want them to fall into it like a trap , either .
There 's so much a person can do when they 're young - I would n't want them to waste that time the way I generally did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of his primary interests is "wormholes," a hypothetical scientific phenomenon connected to Albert Einstein's theory of relativity.
It has been theorized that if such holes do exist in space, they could â" in tandem with black holes â" allow for the kind of space-age time travel seen in science fiction.
"space-age time travel"?
"Just like black holes, they suck in particulate objects, and also like black holes, they also travel at escape velocity, which is, the speed to get out of there is faster than the speed of light," Cavalin says.
"I'd like to prove that wormholes are really there and prove all the theories are correct.
""they also travel at escape velocity"?Actually, though, we pick on him - about it being a community college, about his hokey "everyone is smart in their own way" line, etc.
- but it does sound like he's a pretty smart kid, who's hopefully developing the kind of attitude which will help him avoid turning into a condescending prick later on.His attitude about video games - from a practical standpoint he's exactly right.
Video games are a major time-sink.
If you're someone who wants to achieve things, that kind of time-sink can be a real problem.
Honestly I feel like it'll become something of a dilemma for me, especially once I have kids.
I really enjoy games, but I don't want them to be how I spend all my time...  And likewise, I wouldn't particularly want to deprive my little ones of the joys of gaming - but I don't want them to fall into it like a trap, either.
There's so much a person can do when they're young - I wouldn't want them to waste that time the way I generally did.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28260571</id>
	<title>Re:Blaming the student for being ignorant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244475480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I can't believe you're serious. Idiot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe you 're serious .
Idiot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe you're serious.
Idiot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252751</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>diskofish</author>
	<datestamp>1244484060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I found high school to be largely a waste of time.  I skipped school as much as possible, and did the bare minimum.  For the most part, material was poorly presented by the teachers and seemed irrelevant.  I think a lot of kids could probably struggle through at least some college courses and many could excel. I actually found some courses much easier than ones I had taken in highschool.  AP courses for example, you not only had to learn the material but take a standardized test.  I think when it comes to higher education, it's about discipline.  I think kids are generally smarter than we give them credit for.
<br> <br>
At 11, the only thing I was disciplined about was making new ANSI screens for my BBS and making sure I had the latest pirated game available for download.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I found high school to be largely a waste of time .
I skipped school as much as possible , and did the bare minimum .
For the most part , material was poorly presented by the teachers and seemed irrelevant .
I think a lot of kids could probably struggle through at least some college courses and many could excel .
I actually found some courses much easier than ones I had taken in highschool .
AP courses for example , you not only had to learn the material but take a standardized test .
I think when it comes to higher education , it 's about discipline .
I think kids are generally smarter than we give them credit for .
At 11 , the only thing I was disciplined about was making new ANSI screens for my BBS and making sure I had the latest pirated game available for download .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found high school to be largely a waste of time.
I skipped school as much as possible, and did the bare minimum.
For the most part, material was poorly presented by the teachers and seemed irrelevant.
I think a lot of kids could probably struggle through at least some college courses and many could excel.
I actually found some courses much easier than ones I had taken in highschool.
AP courses for example, you not only had to learn the material but take a standardized test.
I think when it comes to higher education, it's about discipline.
I think kids are generally smarter than we give them credit for.
At 11, the only thing I was disciplined about was making new ANSI screens for my BBS and making sure I had the latest pirated game available for download.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28255881</id>
	<title>Re:oh yeah?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1244453280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>im sure you can. Now, if he was a physics graduate, perhaps not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>im sure you can .
Now , if he was a physics graduate , perhaps not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>im sure you can.
Now, if he was a physics graduate, perhaps not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253011</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>Mes</author>
	<datestamp>1244485200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You would send your 11yrold away to college?</p><p>The community college was was probably within driving distance which makes it about the same as going to high school.  The child hasnt even started puberty yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You would send your 11yrold away to college ? The community college was was probably within driving distance which makes it about the same as going to high school .
The child hasnt even started puberty yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would send your 11yrold away to college?The community college was was probably within driving distance which makes it about the same as going to high school.
The child hasnt even started puberty yet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252209</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244482200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to "no child left behind". The policy that ensures that the smartest students are held back to the level of the dumbest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to " no child left behind " .
The policy that ensures that the smartest students are held back to the level of the dumbest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to "no child left behind".
The policy that ensures that the smartest students are held back to the level of the dumbest.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28256299</id>
	<title>Re:Games Are a "Waste of Time"</title>
	<author>AK Marc</author>
	<datestamp>1244454540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I don't find this odd at all. If you take up martial arts, you learn discipline and self-defense.</i> <br> <br>When I took martial arts at his age, I learned dance.  Actually, ballet classes would have better suited me at that age, because in martial arts (the classes I was in at that age) were more about memorizing some specific routines than anything else.  And with ballet, you'd learn base moves and then work with choreographers (or be one) to combine them into something greater than the sum of the parts.  But then, I could have just had crap martial arts...<br> <br> <i>Scuba diving allows one to study and sometimes interact with underwater life.</i> <br> <br>There's a hell of a lot of self discipline with SCUBA, more so than children's martial arts.  You control your breathing.  You follow a set of instructions.  You don't deviate from them, or you can die.  You don't panic, or you can die.  Martial arts is "I got an owie, stop please."  SCUBA is "I'm down 60 feet, if I take a breath and ascent, I'll get an air embolism and could lose use of a lung for the rest of my life.  If I stay down too long, I'll get the bends, and could have early onset of arthritis for life.  Though unlikely, both of those conditions can kill me as well."<br> <br>Personally, I like SCUBA because it's like a sensory deprivation chamber.  In most cases, you can hear your own breathing, and nothing else.  In most cases, you see only you and your companions, and no other people.  And you do so in an alien environment.  Fish?  They are just scenery.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't find this odd at all .
If you take up martial arts , you learn discipline and self-defense .
When I took martial arts at his age , I learned dance .
Actually , ballet classes would have better suited me at that age , because in martial arts ( the classes I was in at that age ) were more about memorizing some specific routines than anything else .
And with ballet , you 'd learn base moves and then work with choreographers ( or be one ) to combine them into something greater than the sum of the parts .
But then , I could have just had crap martial arts... Scuba diving allows one to study and sometimes interact with underwater life .
There 's a hell of a lot of self discipline with SCUBA , more so than children 's martial arts .
You control your breathing .
You follow a set of instructions .
You do n't deviate from them , or you can die .
You do n't panic , or you can die .
Martial arts is " I got an owie , stop please .
" SCUBA is " I 'm down 60 feet , if I take a breath and ascent , I 'll get an air embolism and could lose use of a lung for the rest of my life .
If I stay down too long , I 'll get the bends , and could have early onset of arthritis for life .
Though unlikely , both of those conditions can kill me as well .
" Personally , I like SCUBA because it 's like a sensory deprivation chamber .
In most cases , you can hear your own breathing , and nothing else .
In most cases , you see only you and your companions , and no other people .
And you do so in an alien environment .
Fish ? They are just scenery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't find this odd at all.
If you take up martial arts, you learn discipline and self-defense.
When I took martial arts at his age, I learned dance.
Actually, ballet classes would have better suited me at that age, because in martial arts (the classes I was in at that age) were more about memorizing some specific routines than anything else.
And with ballet, you'd learn base moves and then work with choreographers (or be one) to combine them into something greater than the sum of the parts.
But then, I could have just had crap martial arts...  Scuba diving allows one to study and sometimes interact with underwater life.
There's a hell of a lot of self discipline with SCUBA, more so than children's martial arts.
You control your breathing.
You follow a set of instructions.
You don't deviate from them, or you can die.
You don't panic, or you can die.
Martial arts is "I got an owie, stop please.
"  SCUBA is "I'm down 60 feet, if I take a breath and ascent, I'll get an air embolism and could lose use of a lung for the rest of my life.
If I stay down too long, I'll get the bends, and could have early onset of arthritis for life.
Though unlikely, both of those conditions can kill me as well.
" Personally, I like SCUBA because it's like a sensory deprivation chamber.
In most cases, you can hear your own breathing, and nothing else.
In most cases, you see only you and your companions, and no other people.
And you do so in an alien environment.
Fish?  They are just scenery.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254987</id>
	<title>I CALL B.S. from the Parents</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244493900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You see this way too often from over zealous parents.

I took a ton of community college courses while in high school (in the mornings) from the best ranked community college in California and let me tell you, the standards and depth of material as well as overall peer competition is so low that I am absolutely certain I could have graduated from a community college in 11 with a C or B- average. This kid is definitely extremely bright to manage a perfect GPA even in "East Los Angeles Community College" and to know what he wants to do so early, and not want to be a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...neurosurgeon unlike all those National Spelling Bee champions.

Basically, the scheme is this
1)Bug teachers like crazy until they relent and let your kid take some easy standardized test to skip 2-3 grades in the period of 60 minutes.
2)Bug some poor, no-name community college administrator like crazy (hours on the phone, personal meetings) until they let your kid start taking a few classes.
3)Once your kid actually passes those classes, bug the administrator some more until he decides to let your kid enroll full time.
4)After your kid graduate from community college, tell local media who loves this kind of sensation stories, and also tell local media your kid is the next einstein with plans to save the world from AIDS, the energy crisis, and Microsoft (okay, that's a joke).
5)Use the media frenzy as bargaining chip for elite private (Ivy league) colleges who loves to have media attention and national spot light and are more than willing to accomodate this little genius to promote themselves all over the country ("we enroll geniuses: future astrophysicists AND brain surgeons!!!")<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...
10)New houses for son and parents.

Of course, between steps 1-5, I'm not sure the kid gets much input except in terms of what color laptop he'll get for college. These parents here are at least considerate in not forcing their kid to be another brain surgeon. For the Chinese mother, I congratulate her for letting her mathematically-gifted son to pursue a field which actually uses math.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You see this way too often from over zealous parents .
I took a ton of community college courses while in high school ( in the mornings ) from the best ranked community college in California and let me tell you , the standards and depth of material as well as overall peer competition is so low that I am absolutely certain I could have graduated from a community college in 11 with a C or B- average .
This kid is definitely extremely bright to manage a perfect GPA even in " East Los Angeles Community College " and to know what he wants to do so early , and not want to be a ...neurosurgeon unlike all those National Spelling Bee champions .
Basically , the scheme is this 1 ) Bug teachers like crazy until they relent and let your kid take some easy standardized test to skip 2-3 grades in the period of 60 minutes .
2 ) Bug some poor , no-name community college administrator like crazy ( hours on the phone , personal meetings ) until they let your kid start taking a few classes .
3 ) Once your kid actually passes those classes , bug the administrator some more until he decides to let your kid enroll full time .
4 ) After your kid graduate from community college , tell local media who loves this kind of sensation stories , and also tell local media your kid is the next einstein with plans to save the world from AIDS , the energy crisis , and Microsoft ( okay , that 's a joke ) .
5 ) Use the media frenzy as bargaining chip for elite private ( Ivy league ) colleges who loves to have media attention and national spot light and are more than willing to accomodate this little genius to promote themselves all over the country ( " we enroll geniuses : future astrophysicists AND brain surgeons ! ! !
" ) .. . 10 ) New houses for son and parents .
Of course , between steps 1-5 , I 'm not sure the kid gets much input except in terms of what color laptop he 'll get for college .
These parents here are at least considerate in not forcing their kid to be another brain surgeon .
For the Chinese mother , I congratulate her for letting her mathematically-gifted son to pursue a field which actually uses math .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You see this way too often from over zealous parents.
I took a ton of community college courses while in high school (in the mornings) from the best ranked community college in California and let me tell you, the standards and depth of material as well as overall peer competition is so low that I am absolutely certain I could have graduated from a community college in 11 with a C or B- average.
This kid is definitely extremely bright to manage a perfect GPA even in "East Los Angeles Community College" and to know what he wants to do so early, and not want to be a ...neurosurgeon unlike all those National Spelling Bee champions.
Basically, the scheme is this
1)Bug teachers like crazy until they relent and let your kid take some easy standardized test to skip 2-3 grades in the period of 60 minutes.
2)Bug some poor, no-name community college administrator like crazy (hours on the phone, personal meetings) until they let your kid start taking a few classes.
3)Once your kid actually passes those classes, bug the administrator some more until he decides to let your kid enroll full time.
4)After your kid graduate from community college, tell local media who loves this kind of sensation stories, and also tell local media your kid is the next einstein with plans to save the world from AIDS, the energy crisis, and Microsoft (okay, that's a joke).
5)Use the media frenzy as bargaining chip for elite private (Ivy league) colleges who loves to have media attention and national spot light and are more than willing to accomodate this little genius to promote themselves all over the country ("we enroll geniuses: future astrophysicists AND brain surgeons!!!
") ...
10)New houses for son and parents.
Of course, between steps 1-5, I'm not sure the kid gets much input except in terms of what color laptop he'll get for college.
These parents here are at least considerate in not forcing their kid to be another brain surgeon.
For the Chinese mother, I congratulate her for letting her mathematically-gifted son to pursue a field which actually uses math.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28305337</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244799060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One less year getting wedgies.<br>One less year getting your ass kicked.<br>One less year as a wall flower.<br>One less year getting laughed at by jocks and cheerleaders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One less year getting wedgies.One less year getting your ass kicked.One less year as a wall flower.One less year getting laughed at by jocks and cheerleaders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One less year getting wedgies.One less year getting your ass kicked.One less year as a wall flower.One less year getting laughed at by jocks and cheerleaders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28258921</id>
	<title>Re:Aspergers</title>
	<author>IorDMUX</author>
	<datestamp>1244465940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Have you heard of oodaloop syndrome? It's where you get sick of every personality quirk being called a syndrome.</p></div><p>Because oftentimes, it's more than just a personality quirk.  <br> <br>Taking the implied example of Asperger Syndrome... We know some geeks have recently taken to self-diagnosing Asperger's and using it as an odd badge of honor, but that shouldn't undermine the seriousness of the actual condition. Asperger's can manifest itself as a devastating condition where one even has difficulty engaging in conversation [not your run-of-the-mill awkwardness--imagine someone speaking to you and you hearing their words but not having a clue what they are actually saying], difficulty living in close proximity to others [something like an 80\% divorce rate has been observed for those who actually progress far enough to get married], and a significantly increased risk of developing other psychiatric conditions [anxiety disorder, major depressive disorder, etc.].<br> <br>Asperger's (and other syndromes) have labels so that professionals can provide essential and targeted therapy to the underlying cause, rather than just trying to treat symptoms. You <b>cannot</b> treat (for example) the social awkwardness caused by Pervasive Developmental Disorders (such as Asperger's) the same way you would treat social awkwardness due to a phobia, an anxiety disorder, or childhood trauma.  Each condition has a label because each has a unique cause rooted somewhere in our so-complex-they-can't-understand-themselves brains, and effective therapy occurs when each cause is dealt with separately.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you heard of oodaloop syndrome ?
It 's where you get sick of every personality quirk being called a syndrome.Because oftentimes , it 's more than just a personality quirk .
Taking the implied example of Asperger Syndrome... We know some geeks have recently taken to self-diagnosing Asperger 's and using it as an odd badge of honor , but that should n't undermine the seriousness of the actual condition .
Asperger 's can manifest itself as a devastating condition where one even has difficulty engaging in conversation [ not your run-of-the-mill awkwardness--imagine someone speaking to you and you hearing their words but not having a clue what they are actually saying ] , difficulty living in close proximity to others [ something like an 80 \ % divorce rate has been observed for those who actually progress far enough to get married ] , and a significantly increased risk of developing other psychiatric conditions [ anxiety disorder , major depressive disorder , etc. ] .
Asperger 's ( and other syndromes ) have labels so that professionals can provide essential and targeted therapy to the underlying cause , rather than just trying to treat symptoms .
You can not treat ( for example ) the social awkwardness caused by Pervasive Developmental Disorders ( such as Asperger 's ) the same way you would treat social awkwardness due to a phobia , an anxiety disorder , or childhood trauma .
Each condition has a label because each has a unique cause rooted somewhere in our so-complex-they-ca n't-understand-themselves brains , and effective therapy occurs when each cause is dealt with separately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you heard of oodaloop syndrome?
It's where you get sick of every personality quirk being called a syndrome.Because oftentimes, it's more than just a personality quirk.
Taking the implied example of Asperger Syndrome... We know some geeks have recently taken to self-diagnosing Asperger's and using it as an odd badge of honor, but that shouldn't undermine the seriousness of the actual condition.
Asperger's can manifest itself as a devastating condition where one even has difficulty engaging in conversation [not your run-of-the-mill awkwardness--imagine someone speaking to you and you hearing their words but not having a clue what they are actually saying], difficulty living in close proximity to others [something like an 80\% divorce rate has been observed for those who actually progress far enough to get married], and a significantly increased risk of developing other psychiatric conditions [anxiety disorder, major depressive disorder, etc.].
Asperger's (and other syndromes) have labels so that professionals can provide essential and targeted therapy to the underlying cause, rather than just trying to treat symptoms.
You cannot treat (for example) the social awkwardness caused by Pervasive Developmental Disorders (such as Asperger's) the same way you would treat social awkwardness due to a phobia, an anxiety disorder, or childhood trauma.
Each condition has a label because each has a unique cause rooted somewhere in our so-complex-they-can't-understand-themselves brains, and effective therapy occurs when each cause is dealt with separately.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253747</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1244488920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends how wealthy the family is...</p><p>Much better to do undergrad at the less prestigious institution and then do your masters/phd/whatever at the top-tier one than the other way round.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends how wealthy the family is...Much better to do undergrad at the less prestigious institution and then do your masters/phd/whatever at the top-tier one than the other way round .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends how wealthy the family is...Much better to do undergrad at the less prestigious institution and then do your masters/phd/whatever at the top-tier one than the other way round.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253323</id>
	<title>Re:Do wunderkinds produce more for society?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244486940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to Malcom Gladwell in "Outliers," an IQ above 135 is not necessary to attain the greatest intellectual achievements, such as Nobel prizes.  Put differently, the IQ vs achievement curve flattens at 135.  A higher IQ certainly makes you smarter, but does not make you more likely to achieve or discover great things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to Malcom Gladwell in " Outliers , " an IQ above 135 is not necessary to attain the greatest intellectual achievements , such as Nobel prizes .
Put differently , the IQ vs achievement curve flattens at 135 .
A higher IQ certainly makes you smarter , but does not make you more likely to achieve or discover great things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to Malcom Gladwell in "Outliers," an IQ above 135 is not necessary to attain the greatest intellectual achievements, such as Nobel prizes.
Put differently, the IQ vs achievement curve flattens at 135.
A higher IQ certainly makes you smarter, but does not make you more likely to achieve or discover great things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252707</id>
	<title>Still</title>
	<author>fulldecent</author>
	<datestamp>1244483880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... and his cohorts will still get a job before him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... and his cohorts will still get a job before him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and his cohorts will still get a job before him.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252277</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>Gerafix</author>
	<datestamp>1244482500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you kidding me? I wish I could have spent *more* time in high school. At least that way I might have stood a chance of getting laid sooner. All this focus on academic achievement really diminishes the attention we should be paying to our sexual organs when we are young and able to do so. I can calculate Feynman diagrams but I can't get some tail? What's wrong with the world today? Somebody please think of the children.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you kidding me ?
I wish I could have spent * more * time in high school .
At least that way I might have stood a chance of getting laid sooner .
All this focus on academic achievement really diminishes the attention we should be paying to our sexual organs when we are young and able to do so .
I can calculate Feynman diagrams but I ca n't get some tail ?
What 's wrong with the world today ?
Somebody please think of the children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you kidding me?
I wish I could have spent *more* time in high school.
At least that way I might have stood a chance of getting laid sooner.
All this focus on academic achievement really diminishes the attention we should be paying to our sexual organs when we are young and able to do so.
I can calculate Feynman diagrams but I can't get some tail?
What's wrong with the world today?
Somebody please think of the children.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28255379</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>MiniMike</author>
	<datestamp>1244451780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another possible factor is that the university may have been far from his house.  Going to the community college at least would let him have two more years of normal home life.  Especially, as you said, when much of the classwork is the same.  Also, there are some community colleges which have programs designed to funnel students into a program at a university, and have classes which meet the same standards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another possible factor is that the university may have been far from his house .
Going to the community college at least would let him have two more years of normal home life .
Especially , as you said , when much of the classwork is the same .
Also , there are some community colleges which have programs designed to funnel students into a program at a university , and have classes which meet the same standards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another possible factor is that the university may have been far from his house.
Going to the community college at least would let him have two more years of normal home life.
Especially, as you said, when much of the classwork is the same.
Also, there are some community colleges which have programs designed to funnel students into a program at a university, and have classes which meet the same standards.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252701</id>
	<title>Re:Humility</title>
	<author>miggyb</author>
	<datestamp>1244483880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's also faulty reasoning. The fact that there are 6.5 billion people does not necessarily negate the fact that he is a genius.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also faulty reasoning .
The fact that there are 6.5 billion people does not necessarily negate the fact that he is a genius .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also faulty reasoning.
The fact that there are 6.5 billion people does not necessarily negate the fact that he is a genius.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28257271</id>
	<title>Re:Aspergers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244458140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to psychology. No one is without a syndrome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to psychology .
No one is without a syndrome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to psychology.
No one is without a syndrome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28262465</id>
	<title>meme-time</title>
	<author>csrster</author>
	<datestamp>1244579100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I, for one, welcome our new Jewish-Asian Hybrid Overlords.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I , for one , welcome our new Jewish-Asian Hybrid Overlords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I, for one, welcome our new Jewish-Asian Hybrid Overlords.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28259621</id>
	<title>Re:And was never heard from again. . .</title>
	<author>Mazin07</author>
	<datestamp>1244470320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or maybe you didn't have the gift of exploiting your "giftedness".  Some people start a business or invent things or go into research. Maybe it's not that the world didn't know what to do with gifted people, but that these "gifted" people didn't figure out what to do with themselves.</p><p>Or blame the world.  I'm sure that falls under some high-brow philosophical school of thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or maybe you did n't have the gift of exploiting your " giftedness " .
Some people start a business or invent things or go into research .
Maybe it 's not that the world did n't know what to do with gifted people , but that these " gifted " people did n't figure out what to do with themselves.Or blame the world .
I 'm sure that falls under some high-brow philosophical school of thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or maybe you didn't have the gift of exploiting your "giftedness".
Some people start a business or invent things or go into research.
Maybe it's not that the world didn't know what to do with gifted people, but that these "gifted" people didn't figure out what to do with themselves.Or blame the world.
I'm sure that falls under some high-brow philosophical school of thinking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252433</id>
	<title>False humility</title>
	<author>Ltap</author>
	<datestamp>1244483040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>How much are you willing to bet that he just said that for the reporters (or was told to say that BY the reporters)? If I were 11, I would be bragging away. Also, 1st comment is right - he rushed through on an easy degree. He should come back when he gets his doctorate - that's the real test. Just as an anecdote - I could have been taking university courses at 15 or 16 (virtually anyone with a grade 9-level education can, since the rest is basically rehashing and enhancing on whatever is already learned), but many universities simply do not allow minors to enroll, whether they have a high school diploma or not. It's likely there was an exception made for him, and he was also likely homeschooled (unless he got his HS diploma by age 9).

This is similar to the 9-year-old judge and all 'prodigies'. Many of them, especially ones in objective fields deserve their degrees, but you wonder sometimes about whether connections made more of a difference in trailblazing a path for his future.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How much are you willing to bet that he just said that for the reporters ( or was told to say that BY the reporters ) ?
If I were 11 , I would be bragging away .
Also , 1st comment is right - he rushed through on an easy degree .
He should come back when he gets his doctorate - that 's the real test .
Just as an anecdote - I could have been taking university courses at 15 or 16 ( virtually anyone with a grade 9-level education can , since the rest is basically rehashing and enhancing on whatever is already learned ) , but many universities simply do not allow minors to enroll , whether they have a high school diploma or not .
It 's likely there was an exception made for him , and he was also likely homeschooled ( unless he got his HS diploma by age 9 ) .
This is similar to the 9-year-old judge and all 'prodigies' .
Many of them , especially ones in objective fields deserve their degrees , but you wonder sometimes about whether connections made more of a difference in trailblazing a path for his future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much are you willing to bet that he just said that for the reporters (or was told to say that BY the reporters)?
If I were 11, I would be bragging away.
Also, 1st comment is right - he rushed through on an easy degree.
He should come back when he gets his doctorate - that's the real test.
Just as an anecdote - I could have been taking university courses at 15 or 16 (virtually anyone with a grade 9-level education can, since the rest is basically rehashing and enhancing on whatever is already learned), but many universities simply do not allow minors to enroll, whether they have a high school diploma or not.
It's likely there was an exception made for him, and he was also likely homeschooled (unless he got his HS diploma by age 9).
This is similar to the 9-year-old judge and all 'prodigies'.
Many of them, especially ones in objective fields deserve their degrees, but you wonder sometimes about whether connections made more of a difference in trailblazing a path for his future.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253145</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244485980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The NEA and Dems were doing that long before NCLB came around..   Afterall, it's politically correct that everyone is "equal", right?  So let's go for the lowest common denominator,  else some poor kid might  have "self-esteem" issues, God forbid.  My wife was a teacher in the '90s and it made her sick to her stomach.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The NEA and Dems were doing that long before NCLB came around.. Afterall , it 's politically correct that everyone is " equal " , right ?
So let 's go for the lowest common denominator , else some poor kid might have " self-esteem " issues , God forbid .
My wife was a teacher in the '90s and it made her sick to her stomach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The NEA and Dems were doing that long before NCLB came around..   Afterall, it's politically correct that everyone is "equal", right?
So let's go for the lowest common denominator,  else some poor kid might  have "self-esteem" issues, God forbid.
My wife was a teacher in the '90s and it made her sick to her stomach.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252795</id>
	<title>Genius</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244484240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; "I don't consider myself a genius because there are 6.5 billion people in this world and each one is smart in his or her own way."<br>heh but I think the avg<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. poster usually does<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; " I do n't consider myself a genius because there are 6.5 billion people in this world and each one is smart in his or her own way .
" heh but I think the avg / .
poster usually does : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; "I don't consider myself a genius because there are 6.5 billion people in this world and each one is smart in his or her own way.
"heh but I think the avg /.
poster usually does :P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28258639</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244464080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>130<br>-70<br>===<br>sum: 60</p><p>so, average or mean is 60 / 2 = 30. OOPS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>130-70 = = = sum : 60so , average or mean is 60 / 2 = 30 .
OOPS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>130-70===sum: 60so, average or mean is 60 / 2 = 30.
OOPS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253065</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1244485500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My parents force me to skip ahead multiple grades sometimes, and I'm the one complaining about social issues. Turns out it's actually not that bad after the first few days.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My parents force me to skip ahead multiple grades sometimes , and I 'm the one complaining about social issues .
Turns out it 's actually not that bad after the first few days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My parents force me to skip ahead multiple grades sometimes, and I'm the one complaining about social issues.
Turns out it's actually not that bad after the first few days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28257103</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>Alarindris</author>
	<datestamp>1244457480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I read your comment over and over, and I honestly don't understand what your point is.  Could you clarify?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I read your comment over and over , and I honestly do n't understand what your point is .
Could you clarify ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read your comment over and over, and I honestly don't understand what your point is.
Could you clarify?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254079</id>
	<title>Re:Aspergers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244490240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Stop it.  Just stop it.  Autistic kids are not savants.  They are not misunderstood geniuses.  They have serious disabilities, and many of them will have a very hard time living even semi-independently.  There is often no silver lining to a kid that freaks the fuck out at the unexpected.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop it .
Just stop it .
Autistic kids are not savants .
They are not misunderstood geniuses .
They have serious disabilities , and many of them will have a very hard time living even semi-independently .
There is often no silver lining to a kid that freaks the fuck out at the unexpected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop it.
Just stop it.
Autistic kids are not savants.
They are not misunderstood geniuses.
They have serious disabilities, and many of them will have a very hard time living even semi-independently.
There is often no silver lining to a kid that freaks the fuck out at the unexpected.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254635</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>Prof.Phreak</author>
	<datestamp>1244492700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Community colleges often have open admission policies (meaning you just pick your major, take classes, and get a degree... no fancy entry exams or requirements, etc.). I took a ``college'' (eh!) level class that way when I was a sophomore in high school that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Community colleges often have open admission policies ( meaning you just pick your major , take classes , and get a degree... no fancy entry exams or requirements , etc. ) .
I took a ` ` college' ' ( eh !
) level class that way when I was a sophomore in high school that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Community colleges often have open admission policies (meaning you just pick your major, take classes, and get a degree... no fancy entry exams or requirements, etc.).
I took a ``college'' (eh!
) level class that way when I was a sophomore in high school that way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252987</id>
	<title>The enemy's gate is down</title>
	<author>kkrajewski</author>
	<datestamp>1244485140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But how well does he command the other kids in Battle School?</p><p>BTW, that makes me wish I hadn't settled for the AA in Thermonuclear Warfare program.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But how well does he command the other kids in Battle School ? BTW , that makes me wish I had n't settled for the AA in Thermonuclear Warfare program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But how well does he command the other kids in Battle School?BTW, that makes me wish I hadn't settled for the AA in Thermonuclear Warfare program.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253165</id>
	<title>Re:Games Are a "Waste of Time"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244486100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wonder if he's ever played Settlers of Catan?</p></div><p>If he would, I'm pretty sure he would beat the shit out of you at it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if he 's ever played Settlers of Catan ? If he would , I 'm pretty sure he would beat the shit out of you at it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if he's ever played Settlers of Catan?If he would, I'm pretty sure he would beat the shit out of you at it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252905</id>
	<title>fuzzy numbers</title>
	<author>Tim4444</author>
	<datestamp>1244484780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The world population is closer to 6.8 billion (US Census Bureau) and still increasing. I wonder if he used the same kind of sloppy approximation when reporting his GPA.
</p><p>
I find Jaime Escalante's achievements far more inspiring as far as LA students go.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The world population is closer to 6.8 billion ( US Census Bureau ) and still increasing .
I wonder if he used the same kind of sloppy approximation when reporting his GPA .
I find Jaime Escalante 's achievements far more inspiring as far as LA students go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The world population is closer to 6.8 billion (US Census Bureau) and still increasing.
I wonder if he used the same kind of sloppy approximation when reporting his GPA.
I find Jaime Escalante's achievements far more inspiring as far as LA students go.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28340567</id>
	<title>Proud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245059700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Video of him: http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven\_referralObject=6009088&amp;maven\_referralPlaylistId=&amp;sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526348,00.html?mrp</p><p>I'm proud of him. I think that even though it was only community college, he is determined to go to a 4 year college and at the rate he's going, he'll do just fine. And, I'm glad he doesn't see himself as unusual. After all, the kids he took the test with were the ones reminding him that he was different.<br>He'll go far and I hope no one stops him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Video of him : http : //www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html ? maven \ _referralObject = 6009088&amp;maven \ _referralPlaylistId = &amp;sRevUrl = http : //www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526348,00.html ? mrpI 'm proud of him .
I think that even though it was only community college , he is determined to go to a 4 year college and at the rate he 's going , he 'll do just fine .
And , I 'm glad he does n't see himself as unusual .
After all , the kids he took the test with were the ones reminding him that he was different.He 'll go far and I hope no one stops him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Video of him: http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven\_referralObject=6009088&amp;maven\_referralPlaylistId=&amp;sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526348,00.html?mrpI'm proud of him.
I think that even though it was only community college, he is determined to go to a 4 year college and at the rate he's going, he'll do just fine.
And, I'm glad he doesn't see himself as unusual.
After all, the kids he took the test with were the ones reminding him that he was different.He'll go far and I hope no one stops him.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252567</id>
	<title>I smell BS</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1244483400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Checked the school, no astrophysics.</p><p>The article is peppered with some glaring political agendas to boot.</p><p>I am also curious how a 4 year college would let a kid this smart end up in a community college.</p><p>There is too much to this that lacks reason.</p><p>Something smells...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Checked the school , no astrophysics.The article is peppered with some glaring political agendas to boot.I am also curious how a 4 year college would let a kid this smart end up in a community college.There is too much to this that lacks reason.Something smells.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Checked the school, no astrophysics.The article is peppered with some glaring political agendas to boot.I am also curious how a 4 year college would let a kid this smart end up in a community college.There is too much to this that lacks reason.Something smells...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254189</id>
	<title>Re:Aspergers</title>
	<author>avandesande</author>
	<datestamp>1244490720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You actually believe that people thinking games are a waste of time is unusual?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You actually believe that people thinking games are a waste of time is unusual ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You actually believe that people thinking games are a waste of time is unusual?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252235</id>
	<title>Community college astrophysics?</title>
	<author>Lord Byron II</author>
	<datestamp>1244482320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What kind of community college offers astrophysics? Hell, my four-year university doesn't even offer it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What kind of community college offers astrophysics ?
Hell , my four-year university does n't even offer it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What kind of community college offers astrophysics?
Hell, my four-year university doesn't even offer it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253785</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>DomNF15</author>
	<datestamp>1244489100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are apparently different IQ tests, and the raw scores can't really be compared - the percentile you fall in is more important than the raw score: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensa\_International" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensa\_International</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are apparently different IQ tests , and the raw scores ca n't really be compared - the percentile you fall in is more important than the raw score : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensa \ _International [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are apparently different IQ tests, and the raw scores can't really be compared - the percentile you fall in is more important than the raw score: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensa\_International [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253083</id>
	<title>Re:Big Deal...</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1244485560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but people with astrophysics degrees haven't been laid by dirty old men, so it all balances out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but people with astrophysics degrees have n't been laid by dirty old men , so it all balances out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but people with astrophysics degrees haven't been laid by dirty old men, so it all balances out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252383</id>
	<title>Do wunderkinds produce more for society?</title>
	<author>Synn</author>
	<datestamp>1244482860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's really impressive to see a child prodigy, but do they go on to achieve more in life than the "average" smart crowd that goes through a more normal progression?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's really impressive to see a child prodigy , but do they go on to achieve more in life than the " average " smart crowd that goes through a more normal progression ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's really impressive to see a child prodigy, but do they go on to achieve more in life than the "average" smart crowd that goes through a more normal progression?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28260323</id>
	<title>Re:And was never heard from again. . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244474340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You see this happen all the time they push kids who are really smart so hard they fizzle out. I went to a special school for "gifted" children and most of my friends were burned out by their mid 20's. Not to mention depressed because they didn't make their first million by the age of 25. I "gave up" dropped contact with all my smart friends and got a "civil service" job. Ignorance truly is bliss, if your not freaked out by the state of the world you probably don't understand what is going on. The world doesn't know what to do with gifted people and gifted people are sideswiped by the fact that even though logically and by all reason they should succeed they don't. The world just doesn't work that way.</p></div><p>I think i saw a movie about you.  it was called LITTLE MAN TATE.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You see this happen all the time they push kids who are really smart so hard they fizzle out .
I went to a special school for " gifted " children and most of my friends were burned out by their mid 20 's .
Not to mention depressed because they did n't make their first million by the age of 25 .
I " gave up " dropped contact with all my smart friends and got a " civil service " job .
Ignorance truly is bliss , if your not freaked out by the state of the world you probably do n't understand what is going on .
The world does n't know what to do with gifted people and gifted people are sideswiped by the fact that even though logically and by all reason they should succeed they do n't .
The world just does n't work that way.I think i saw a movie about you .
it was called LITTLE MAN TATE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You see this happen all the time they push kids who are really smart so hard they fizzle out.
I went to a special school for "gifted" children and most of my friends were burned out by their mid 20's.
Not to mention depressed because they didn't make their first million by the age of 25.
I "gave up" dropped contact with all my smart friends and got a "civil service" job.
Ignorance truly is bliss, if your not freaked out by the state of the world you probably don't understand what is going on.
The world doesn't know what to do with gifted people and gifted people are sideswiped by the fact that even though logically and by all reason they should succeed they don't.
The world just doesn't work that way.I think i saw a movie about you.
it was called LITTLE MAN TATE.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28255659</id>
	<title>*That* of all things?</title>
	<author>xant</author>
	<datestamp>1244452620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really, that made your blood boil?  A kid who's smart enough to be diplomatic about his talents?</p><p>Incidentally, I agree with him.  I am pretty well-regarded in my field, but I've yet to meet any single adult who was dumber than I am about absolutely everything.  People have their talents, their brains absorb the input those brains are given, and they derive a certain expertise about those things.  He's good at astrophysics, I bet he sucks at raising a baby.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , that made your blood boil ?
A kid who 's smart enough to be diplomatic about his talents ? Incidentally , I agree with him .
I am pretty well-regarded in my field , but I 've yet to meet any single adult who was dumber than I am about absolutely everything .
People have their talents , their brains absorb the input those brains are given , and they derive a certain expertise about those things .
He 's good at astrophysics , I bet he sucks at raising a baby .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, that made your blood boil?
A kid who's smart enough to be diplomatic about his talents?Incidentally, I agree with him.
I am pretty well-regarded in my field, but I've yet to meet any single adult who was dumber than I am about absolutely everything.
People have their talents, their brains absorb the input those brains are given, and they derive a certain expertise about those things.
He's good at astrophysics, I bet he sucks at raising a baby.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252911</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>internerdj</author>
	<datestamp>1244484840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Glad you live in one of the top states on the education totem poll.  My state is incredibly inept at managing the power it has over education already with federal oversight, and even as a practicing Christian I would dread to see what they would be taught in "science" class.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Glad you live in one of the top states on the education totem poll .
My state is incredibly inept at managing the power it has over education already with federal oversight , and even as a practicing Christian I would dread to see what they would be taught in " science " class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Glad you live in one of the top states on the education totem poll.
My state is incredibly inept at managing the power it has over education already with federal oversight, and even as a practicing Christian I would dread to see what they would be taught in "science" class.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252627</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253463</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>bryan1945</author>
	<datestamp>1244487720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same thing with me.  I ended up taking enough advanced classes (good school district) my senior year to get me out of 4(?) intro college classes- I think 2 calc and 2 chemistry (ha!  didn't have to take any chemistry in college).  And as another replier posted, I got more time for football, basketball, theatre, and hellraisin'.</p><p>As for those who said there are no studies on accelerated learning and social problems, yes there have been.  No, I'm not providing links 'cause I found a couple in about 10 seconds of google searching.  Searching PsychInfo gave more, but I had to go through the university library website to search that.  I didn't read the articles, so they may have said there is no problem at all, but the arguments were that there were no studies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same thing with me .
I ended up taking enough advanced classes ( good school district ) my senior year to get me out of 4 ( ?
) intro college classes- I think 2 calc and 2 chemistry ( ha !
did n't have to take any chemistry in college ) .
And as another replier posted , I got more time for football , basketball , theatre , and hellraisin'.As for those who said there are no studies on accelerated learning and social problems , yes there have been .
No , I 'm not providing links 'cause I found a couple in about 10 seconds of google searching .
Searching PsychInfo gave more , but I had to go through the university library website to search that .
I did n't read the articles , so they may have said there is no problem at all , but the arguments were that there were no studies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same thing with me.
I ended up taking enough advanced classes (good school district) my senior year to get me out of 4(?
) intro college classes- I think 2 calc and 2 chemistry (ha!
didn't have to take any chemistry in college).
And as another replier posted, I got more time for football, basketball, theatre, and hellraisin'.As for those who said there are no studies on accelerated learning and social problems, yes there have been.
No, I'm not providing links 'cause I found a couple in about 10 seconds of google searching.
Searching PsychInfo gave more, but I had to go through the university library website to search that.
I didn't read the articles, so they may have said there is no problem at all, but the arguments were that there were no studies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254501</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>thatskinnyguy</author>
	<datestamp>1244492100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone who knocked-out High School in 2 years and was forced to sit the whole 4 years for my Bachelor's, I agree with you 100\%.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who knocked-out High School in 2 years and was forced to sit the whole 4 years for my Bachelor 's , I agree with you 100 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who knocked-out High School in 2 years and was forced to sit the whole 4 years for my Bachelor's, I agree with you 100\%.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252323</id>
	<title>Re:oh yeah?</title>
	<author>somersault</author>
	<datestamp>1244482680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope you can play it better than you can spell it!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope you can play it better than you can spell it !
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope you can play it better than you can spell it!
;)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253339</id>
	<title>Re:Games Are a "Waste of Time"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244487000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a difference between playing a piano and playing music on an ipod.  I think that's the distinction here.  To him, it is a waste of time to play games, but perhaps not a waste of time to make a game.</p><p>With that in mind, he could become wealthy someday!  Or become the next Einstein.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a difference between playing a piano and playing music on an ipod .
I think that 's the distinction here .
To him , it is a waste of time to play games , but perhaps not a waste of time to make a game.With that in mind , he could become wealthy someday !
Or become the next Einstein .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a difference between playing a piano and playing music on an ipod.
I think that's the distinction here.
To him, it is a waste of time to play games, but perhaps not a waste of time to make a game.With that in mind, he could become wealthy someday!
Or become the next Einstein.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28262897</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>TheoMurpse</author>
	<datestamp>1244540940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Out of curiosity, why did you join MENSA? I'm eligible, but I've never joined because I thought it was just a bunch of people who want to pretend they're special because they scored high on an intelligence/aptitude test.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Out of curiosity , why did you join MENSA ?
I 'm eligible , but I 've never joined because I thought it was just a bunch of people who want to pretend they 're special because they scored high on an intelligence/aptitude test .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Out of curiosity, why did you join MENSA?
I'm eligible, but I've never joined because I thought it was just a bunch of people who want to pretend they're special because they scored high on an intelligence/aptitude test.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244457780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Nonsense. My parents were told I could skip ahead 4 grades, but that it would be a disaster to my social development - so I didn't. That was in 1978.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nonsense .
My parents were told I could skip ahead 4 grades , but that it would be a disaster to my social development - so I did n't .
That was in 1978 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nonsense.
My parents were told I could skip ahead 4 grades, but that it would be a disaster to my social development - so I didn't.
That was in 1978.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28258663</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p>I could've skipped grades but my parents decided against it.</p><p>Now I'm a social recluse with little drive for achievement. As time passed my grades went from straight A's to B's to C's. For the past 3 years at my university I sleep in on most classes and still get B's and A's in any class that doesn't require daily attendance.</p><p>What does this say hmm? By showing children that their successes have little gain in reality, they don't need to try as hard because there's a bare minimum that's required? Why on earth should I give enough effort to gain 150\% when I can cruise by with 100\%. Or 90\%. Or hell, 80\% seems fine too.</p><p>It could possibly be that my intelligence stagnated as time passed because I was forced to associate with those of lesser intelligence for most of my life. I've still got that wacky high IQ, but I don't quite know why I should use it.</p><p>And being a social recluse is just because of who I am. If I had skipped grades I'd probably still be a social recluse. Or I might not have been. Either way, I could only have benefited.</p><p>I don't hold it against my parents though. They did what they felt was for the best. Good intentions can't be faulted for differing situations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could 've skipped grades but my parents decided against it.Now I 'm a social recluse with little drive for achievement .
As time passed my grades went from straight A 's to B 's to C 's .
For the past 3 years at my university I sleep in on most classes and still get B 's and A 's in any class that does n't require daily attendance.What does this say hmm ?
By showing children that their successes have little gain in reality , they do n't need to try as hard because there 's a bare minimum that 's required ?
Why on earth should I give enough effort to gain 150 \ % when I can cruise by with 100 \ % .
Or 90 \ % .
Or hell , 80 \ % seems fine too.It could possibly be that my intelligence stagnated as time passed because I was forced to associate with those of lesser intelligence for most of my life .
I 've still got that wacky high IQ , but I do n't quite know why I should use it.And being a social recluse is just because of who I am .
If I had skipped grades I 'd probably still be a social recluse .
Or I might not have been .
Either way , I could only have benefited.I do n't hold it against my parents though .
They did what they felt was for the best .
Good intentions ca n't be faulted for differing situations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could've skipped grades but my parents decided against it.Now I'm a social recluse with little drive for achievement.
As time passed my grades went from straight A's to B's to C's.
For the past 3 years at my university I sleep in on most classes and still get B's and A's in any class that doesn't require daily attendance.What does this say hmm?
By showing children that their successes have little gain in reality, they don't need to try as hard because there's a bare minimum that's required?
Why on earth should I give enough effort to gain 150\% when I can cruise by with 100\%.
Or 90\%.
Or hell, 80\% seems fine too.It could possibly be that my intelligence stagnated as time passed because I was forced to associate with those of lesser intelligence for most of my life.
I've still got that wacky high IQ, but I don't quite know why I should use it.And being a social recluse is just because of who I am.
If I had skipped grades I'd probably still be a social recluse.
Or I might not have been.
Either way, I could only have benefited.I don't hold it against my parents though.
They did what they felt was for the best.
Good intentions can't be faulted for differing situations.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28255607</id>
	<title>Re:Do wunderkinds produce more for society?</title>
	<author>edmazur</author>
	<datestamp>1244452500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's really impressive to see a child prodigy, but do they go on to achieve more in life than the "average" smart crowd that goes through a more normal progression?</p></div></blockquote><p>Malcolm Gladwell addresses this question in his book <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers\_(book)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Outliers</a> [wikipedia.org].  The short answer to your question is no.</p><p>He claims that while intelligence is important, being a child prodigy alone won't buy you success.  He instead says one need be only sufficiently intelligent, but also be presented the right opportunities and have the drive to put enough hours into practicing their craft.  He calls that last part the 10,000 hour rule.  In all the successful people he researched/interviewed, he found they went through a period in their lives where they were "made".  The Beatles performed over 1,200 times from 1960 to 1964 in Hamburg, Germany.  Bill Gates spent his nights and weekends as a teenager messing around in the University of Washington computer lab, an opportunity most did not have at the time.  There are other examples given in the book.  On the other end of the spectrum, he presented the case of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher\_Langan" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Christopher Langan</a> [wikipedia.org], "the smartest man in America", who Gladwell says did not achieve the level of success seen in other cases because he did not have the same sort of opportunities growing up.</p><p>I imagine you could bend the idea of traditional "success" though and see that last case in other ways.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It 's really impressive to see a child prodigy , but do they go on to achieve more in life than the " average " smart crowd that goes through a more normal progression ? Malcolm Gladwell addresses this question in his book Outliers [ wikipedia.org ] .
The short answer to your question is no.He claims that while intelligence is important , being a child prodigy alone wo n't buy you success .
He instead says one need be only sufficiently intelligent , but also be presented the right opportunities and have the drive to put enough hours into practicing their craft .
He calls that last part the 10,000 hour rule .
In all the successful people he researched/interviewed , he found they went through a period in their lives where they were " made " .
The Beatles performed over 1,200 times from 1960 to 1964 in Hamburg , Germany .
Bill Gates spent his nights and weekends as a teenager messing around in the University of Washington computer lab , an opportunity most did not have at the time .
There are other examples given in the book .
On the other end of the spectrum , he presented the case of Christopher Langan [ wikipedia.org ] , " the smartest man in America " , who Gladwell says did not achieve the level of success seen in other cases because he did not have the same sort of opportunities growing up.I imagine you could bend the idea of traditional " success " though and see that last case in other ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's really impressive to see a child prodigy, but do they go on to achieve more in life than the "average" smart crowd that goes through a more normal progression?Malcolm Gladwell addresses this question in his book Outliers [wikipedia.org].
The short answer to your question is no.He claims that while intelligence is important, being a child prodigy alone won't buy you success.
He instead says one need be only sufficiently intelligent, but also be presented the right opportunities and have the drive to put enough hours into practicing their craft.
He calls that last part the 10,000 hour rule.
In all the successful people he researched/interviewed, he found they went through a period in their lives where they were "made".
The Beatles performed over 1,200 times from 1960 to 1964 in Hamburg, Germany.
Bill Gates spent his nights and weekends as a teenager messing around in the University of Washington computer lab, an opportunity most did not have at the time.
There are other examples given in the book.
On the other end of the spectrum, he presented the case of Christopher Langan [wikipedia.org], "the smartest man in America", who Gladwell says did not achieve the level of success seen in other cases because he did not have the same sort of opportunities growing up.I imagine you could bend the idea of traditional "success" though and see that last case in other ways.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253101</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>johnthorensen</author>
	<datestamp>1244485680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Your mom is a SMART lady.  Kudos to her for making the right decision; she saved you from a lot of potential misery.

I represent the flip side of that situation.  I skipped 2nd grade at one of the more rural schools in the district.  Let me tell you, kids are MEAN.  They don't take kindly to a strange, young kid coming into their midst, especially one that's smarter than they are (like you, I probably could have skipped 3rd too).  The whole thing set me up to be an outcast, and I wound up even more socially awkward than I already was.  It wasn't until I finally got to college that I finally started to feel comfortable, like I had a real peer group with people that didn't resent me.  High school wasn't terrible, but junior high and elementary school were hell.

If my kids wind up in the position to skip a grade, no way.  Parents feel 'proud' of their kids but it's not worth the pain just to pat yourself on the back that your kid skipped a grade.  DON'T DO IT!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your mom is a SMART lady .
Kudos to her for making the right decision ; she saved you from a lot of potential misery .
I represent the flip side of that situation .
I skipped 2nd grade at one of the more rural schools in the district .
Let me tell you , kids are MEAN .
They do n't take kindly to a strange , young kid coming into their midst , especially one that 's smarter than they are ( like you , I probably could have skipped 3rd too ) .
The whole thing set me up to be an outcast , and I wound up even more socially awkward than I already was .
It was n't until I finally got to college that I finally started to feel comfortable , like I had a real peer group with people that did n't resent me .
High school was n't terrible , but junior high and elementary school were hell .
If my kids wind up in the position to skip a grade , no way .
Parents feel 'proud ' of their kids but it 's not worth the pain just to pat yourself on the back that your kid skipped a grade .
DO N'T DO IT !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your mom is a SMART lady.
Kudos to her for making the right decision; she saved you from a lot of potential misery.
I represent the flip side of that situation.
I skipped 2nd grade at one of the more rural schools in the district.
Let me tell you, kids are MEAN.
They don't take kindly to a strange, young kid coming into their midst, especially one that's smarter than they are (like you, I probably could have skipped 3rd too).
The whole thing set me up to be an outcast, and I wound up even more socially awkward than I already was.
It wasn't until I finally got to college that I finally started to feel comfortable, like I had a real peer group with people that didn't resent me.
High school wasn't terrible, but junior high and elementary school were hell.
If my kids wind up in the position to skip a grade, no way.
Parents feel 'proud' of their kids but it's not worth the pain just to pat yourself on the back that your kid skipped a grade.
DON'T DO IT!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28255515</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244452140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>While not proof per se, a real-life example.  I was bumped up in grade school.  After being bored to tears in kindergarten, I tested for, and was moved into, 1st grade.  Good news, I was finally getting challenged, academically.  Bad news, I was now in the 1st percentile curve for height &amp; weight.  What did this mean?  I was always the lightest and shortest kid in the class.  Sometimes this was a benefit, but I had to be creative to find "little guy" exploits for my situation.  I was always the last picked for team sports.  I was a primary target of the bullies. (I developed some strategies for this, but that often got me into trouble - another chapter).     Things started to get a little better in 6th through 8th grades (I would estimate I moved up to the 10th percentile, weight/height-wise).  Not until freshman year in HS did I really start to feel like I fit in.  So, in retrospect, I would say socially it did have a huge influence on my "formative" years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While not proof per se , a real-life example .
I was bumped up in grade school .
After being bored to tears in kindergarten , I tested for , and was moved into , 1st grade .
Good news , I was finally getting challenged , academically .
Bad news , I was now in the 1st percentile curve for height &amp; weight .
What did this mean ?
I was always the lightest and shortest kid in the class .
Sometimes this was a benefit , but I had to be creative to find " little guy " exploits for my situation .
I was always the last picked for team sports .
I was a primary target of the bullies .
( I developed some strategies for this , but that often got me into trouble - another chapter ) .
Things started to get a little better in 6th through 8th grades ( I would estimate I moved up to the 10th percentile , weight/height-wise ) .
Not until freshman year in HS did I really start to feel like I fit in .
So , in retrospect , I would say socially it did have a huge influence on my " formative " years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While not proof per se, a real-life example.
I was bumped up in grade school.
After being bored to tears in kindergarten, I tested for, and was moved into, 1st grade.
Good news, I was finally getting challenged, academically.
Bad news, I was now in the 1st percentile curve for height &amp; weight.
What did this mean?
I was always the lightest and shortest kid in the class.
Sometimes this was a benefit, but I had to be creative to find "little guy" exploits for my situation.
I was always the last picked for team sports.
I was a primary target of the bullies.
(I developed some strategies for this, but that often got me into trouble - another chapter).
Things started to get a little better in 6th through 8th grades (I would estimate I moved up to the 10th percentile, weight/height-wise).
Not until freshman year in HS did I really start to feel like I fit in.
So, in retrospect, I would say socially it did have a huge influence on my "formative" years.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Video games?  Not me, they don't help humanity!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244492880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Videogames?  They're a waste of time!  They don't help humanity in any way, shape, or fashion.  Not me, I'm a big kid, I don't sit on my duff while distracting myself with pretty, distracting stimuli while other people are out there fighting cancer or developing technologies that make peoples' lives better!</p><p>Now excuse me while I play Mozart on my piano and win another karate trophy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Videogames ?
They 're a waste of time !
They do n't help humanity in any way , shape , or fashion .
Not me , I 'm a big kid , I do n't sit on my duff while distracting myself with pretty , distracting stimuli while other people are out there fighting cancer or developing technologies that make peoples ' lives better ! Now excuse me while I play Mozart on my piano and win another karate trophy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Videogames?
They're a waste of time!
They don't help humanity in any way, shape, or fashion.
Not me, I'm a big kid, I don't sit on my duff while distracting myself with pretty, distracting stimuli while other people are out there fighting cancer or developing technologies that make peoples' lives better!Now excuse me while I play Mozart on my piano and win another karate trophy.</sentencetext>
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	<title>2 words....</title>
	<author>kernel panic attack</author>
	<datestamp>1244490780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Doogie Hawking</htmltext>
<tokenext>Doogie Hawking</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doogie Hawking</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252039</id>
	<title>Games Are a "Waste of Time"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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From the article<p><div class="quote"><p>There is one thing this boy wonder does not like.<br> <br>

"I feel it's a waste of time playing video games, I feel its a waste of time and it's not helping humanity in any way."</p></div><p>And <a href="http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/06/07/prodigy-earns-degree-disses-games" title="gamepolitics.com" rel="nofollow">GamePolitics' Andrew Eisen</a> [gamepolitics.com] notes:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Perhaps a rather odd statement coming from a lad whose passions include martial arts, scuba diving and playing piano.  He also aspires to be a movie actor.</p></div><p>I found that amusing that he finds some form of entertainment to (music &amp; movies) to benefit humanity more so than games.  I wonder if he's ever played Settlers of Catan?</p></div>
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<tokenext>From the articleThere is one thing this boy wonder does not like .
" I feel it 's a waste of time playing video games , I feel its a waste of time and it 's not helping humanity in any way .
" And GamePolitics ' Andrew Eisen [ gamepolitics.com ] notes : Perhaps a rather odd statement coming from a lad whose passions include martial arts , scuba diving and playing piano .
He also aspires to be a movie actor.I found that amusing that he finds some form of entertainment to ( music &amp; movies ) to benefit humanity more so than games .
I wonder if he 's ever played Settlers of Catan ?</tokentext>
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From the articleThere is one thing this boy wonder does not like.
"I feel it's a waste of time playing video games, I feel its a waste of time and it's not helping humanity in any way.
"And GamePolitics' Andrew Eisen [gamepolitics.com] notes:Perhaps a rather odd statement coming from a lad whose passions include martial arts, scuba diving and playing piano.
He also aspires to be a movie actor.I found that amusing that he finds some form of entertainment to (music &amp; movies) to benefit humanity more so than games.
I wonder if he's ever played Settlers of Catan?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253997</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>sckeener</author>
	<datestamp>1244489880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>we allow people to repeat grade levels and university subjects. So why not go the other way and allow above average students, or students with above average dedication to finish faster.</p> </div><p>agreed.  Every time that was offered to me in grade school, I advanced much faster working at my own pace rather than that of the slowest average person in my class.  </p><p>I'm not good at English, but I'm great at math.  The school system didn't realize that about me until they went to a method to teach math for 4th and 5th grade students to work at their own pace.  I zoomed and suddenly other options in education opened up (my zooming opened up all the advanced courses then...)
</p><p>
In my 6th grade social studies class, they posted the entire years assignments at the beginning of the year.  I finished it by November.  I was left doing special projects for the teacher for the rest of the year or studying on my own (which I preferred.)  Though I learned a lot on my own during that extra time, I think it could have been better spent, but they didn't have anything in place for students like me who excelled in certain topics (math and history - which probably describes why I loved D&amp;D which has losts of math and history)</p></div>
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<tokenext>we allow people to repeat grade levels and university subjects .
So why not go the other way and allow above average students , or students with above average dedication to finish faster .
agreed. Every time that was offered to me in grade school , I advanced much faster working at my own pace rather than that of the slowest average person in my class .
I 'm not good at English , but I 'm great at math .
The school system did n't realize that about me until they went to a method to teach math for 4th and 5th grade students to work at their own pace .
I zoomed and suddenly other options in education opened up ( my zooming opened up all the advanced courses then... ) In my 6th grade social studies class , they posted the entire years assignments at the beginning of the year .
I finished it by November .
I was left doing special projects for the teacher for the rest of the year or studying on my own ( which I preferred .
) Though I learned a lot on my own during that extra time , I think it could have been better spent , but they did n't have anything in place for students like me who excelled in certain topics ( math and history - which probably describes why I loved D&amp;D which has losts of math and history )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we allow people to repeat grade levels and university subjects.
So why not go the other way and allow above average students, or students with above average dedication to finish faster.
agreed.  Every time that was offered to me in grade school, I advanced much faster working at my own pace rather than that of the slowest average person in my class.
I'm not good at English, but I'm great at math.
The school system didn't realize that about me until they went to a method to teach math for 4th and 5th grade students to work at their own pace.
I zoomed and suddenly other options in education opened up (my zooming opened up all the advanced courses then...)

In my 6th grade social studies class, they posted the entire years assignments at the beginning of the year.
I finished it by November.
I was left doing special projects for the teacher for the rest of the year or studying on my own (which I preferred.
)  Though I learned a lot on my own during that extra time, I think it could have been better spent, but they didn't have anything in place for students like me who excelled in certain topics (math and history - which probably describes why I loved D&amp;D which has losts of math and history)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253245</id>
	<title>Hot-Housing Considered Harmful</title>
	<author>namgge</author>
	<datestamp>1244486580000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>
This story should be tagged 'Child-Abuse'.
</p><p>
Namgge
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<tokenext>This story should be tagged 'Child-Abuse' .
Namgge</tokentext>
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This story should be tagged 'Child-Abuse'.
Namgge
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	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244484960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>could be financial.  community college tuition is pretty low, idk how many full paid scholarships there are for 10 year olds, none i've read about.  don't forget a lot of smart people opt to go to CC's because class sizes are -much- smaller, least where i am in tampa. For the child the transition to a real university (which someone of that caliber of intelliegence is probably going to be at 6+ years) would be easier as well perhaps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>could be financial .
community college tuition is pretty low , idk how many full paid scholarships there are for 10 year olds , none i 've read about .
do n't forget a lot of smart people opt to go to CC 's because class sizes are -much- smaller , least where i am in tampa .
For the child the transition to a real university ( which someone of that caliber of intelliegence is probably going to be at 6 + years ) would be easier as well perhaps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>could be financial.
community college tuition is pretty low, idk how many full paid scholarships there are for 10 year olds, none i've read about.
don't forget a lot of smart people opt to go to CC's because class sizes are -much- smaller, least where i am in tampa.
For the child the transition to a real university (which someone of that caliber of intelliegence is probably going to be at 6+ years) would be easier as well perhaps.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Games Are a "Waste of Time"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>He's 11 years old, for god's sakes.  He most certainly is wonderfully bright and talented, with a terrific future before him, but do you really think he has his own opinions already?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's 11 years old , for god 's sakes .
He most certainly is wonderfully bright and talented , with a terrific future before him , but do you really think he has his own opinions already ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's 11 years old, for god's sakes.
He most certainly is wonderfully bright and talented, with a terrific future before him, but do you really think he has his own opinions already?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1244488140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>He probably just went to the college closest to home. I know a kid who triple majored at a nearby 4-year libral arts college at the age of 16. He easily could have gone to a top university instead, but he kept busy close to home. Now he's doing graduate studies at University of Chicago. If you go to graduate school it doesn't really matter what you did for undergrad, so a cheap and close to home community college is a perfect way to start.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He probably just went to the college closest to home .
I know a kid who triple majored at a nearby 4-year libral arts college at the age of 16 .
He easily could have gone to a top university instead , but he kept busy close to home .
Now he 's doing graduate studies at University of Chicago .
If you go to graduate school it does n't really matter what you did for undergrad , so a cheap and close to home community college is a perfect way to start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He probably just went to the college closest to home.
I know a kid who triple majored at a nearby 4-year libral arts college at the age of 16.
He easily could have gone to a top university instead, but he kept busy close to home.
Now he's doing graduate studies at University of Chicago.
If you go to graduate school it doesn't really matter what you did for undergrad, so a cheap and close to home community college is a perfect way to start.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252627</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1244483580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Welcome to "no child left behind". The policy that ensures that the smartest students are held back to the level of the dumbest.</p></div><p>That's what happens when you get an organization the size of the U.S. federal government involved in something that should be handled at the local level.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to " no child left behind " .
The policy that ensures that the smartest students are held back to the level of the dumbest.That 's what happens when you get an organization the size of the U.S. federal government involved in something that should be handled at the local level .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to "no child left behind".
The policy that ensures that the smartest students are held back to the level of the dumbest.That's what happens when you get an organization the size of the U.S. federal government involved in something that should be handled at the local level.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253981</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>east coast</author>
	<datestamp>1244489820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>They are much less selective than 4-year schools and the programs tend to be more vocational in nature.</i> <br> <br>They only appear to be more vocational in nature because that's the general impression of associates degrees. Anyone not aspiring to a bachelor's degree or higher would be an idiot for going anyplace other than a community college. I went to a community college but my professors normally taught at universities. I felt that community college was second rate too until I really looked around. I had a professor from CMU who told us that the course he was presenting was the same as he would present for one of his Carnegie Mellon classes. My Astronomy 101 professor was an actual professional astronomer and not just some academia with a big head. My sociology teacher had a doctorate from Yale, also studied in Berlin and Moscow and taught at Pitt. I look back now and see that there was a lot of quality education that went on and any "dumbing down" that was done was more so from the aspect of the students than the teaching staff. As much as college is a way to filter out the dead weight it's no different than public schools in that you get out of it what you put into it.<br> <br> <i>That said, taking some things like composition or entry-level mathematics tends to be the same regardless of whether you take it at a community college for $40/hour or at a university for $200/hour.</i> <br> <br>You're right, the current numbers from my CC (CCAC) to PSU was roughly 95 dollars a credit from CCAC to nearly 500 USD a credit at Penn State. These numbers are for a part time student. As a full timer YMMV.<br> <br> <i>Some of the stuff the kid took won't be worth anything anywhere, but he'll have a good chunk of his general education requirements knocked out at whatever university he gets into.</i> <br> <br>If this is true than it's his own fault. PSU gladly sent me their transfer sheet for CCAC. All in all I think I took 7 credits that didn't transfer and 4 of those were for a sub-100 course I took just to get back into the swing of things after not having been in a classroom for over a decade. A student at CCAC could take all the courses they need to at 1/5th the price and put themselves in the same arena as a second semester junior at Penn State. I don't think that's a bad step to take for a student unless they have grants and scholarships that require that they be enrolled at a university level institution.<br> <br>Sorry if parts of this sounded like a rant. I just feel that students shouldn't downplay a community college if they don't have what it takes financially to get into a big school. Maybe I went to an extraordinary community college but my experience is that with a little research and planning a student can get a really great step towards a better education at a discount price and the vast majority of it should transfer. I was in a situation where I simply couldn't afford even the second rate universities when I graduated high school and I let that hold me back because I had a bad taste in my mouth when someone mentioned community college. Like I said, I got out of it what I put into it and I'm grateful that it was there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are much less selective than 4-year schools and the programs tend to be more vocational in nature .
They only appear to be more vocational in nature because that 's the general impression of associates degrees .
Anyone not aspiring to a bachelor 's degree or higher would be an idiot for going anyplace other than a community college .
I went to a community college but my professors normally taught at universities .
I felt that community college was second rate too until I really looked around .
I had a professor from CMU who told us that the course he was presenting was the same as he would present for one of his Carnegie Mellon classes .
My Astronomy 101 professor was an actual professional astronomer and not just some academia with a big head .
My sociology teacher had a doctorate from Yale , also studied in Berlin and Moscow and taught at Pitt .
I look back now and see that there was a lot of quality education that went on and any " dumbing down " that was done was more so from the aspect of the students than the teaching staff .
As much as college is a way to filter out the dead weight it 's no different than public schools in that you get out of it what you put into it .
That said , taking some things like composition or entry-level mathematics tends to be the same regardless of whether you take it at a community college for $ 40/hour or at a university for $ 200/hour .
You 're right , the current numbers from my CC ( CCAC ) to PSU was roughly 95 dollars a credit from CCAC to nearly 500 USD a credit at Penn State .
These numbers are for a part time student .
As a full timer YMMV .
Some of the stuff the kid took wo n't be worth anything anywhere , but he 'll have a good chunk of his general education requirements knocked out at whatever university he gets into .
If this is true than it 's his own fault .
PSU gladly sent me their transfer sheet for CCAC .
All in all I think I took 7 credits that did n't transfer and 4 of those were for a sub-100 course I took just to get back into the swing of things after not having been in a classroom for over a decade .
A student at CCAC could take all the courses they need to at 1/5th the price and put themselves in the same arena as a second semester junior at Penn State .
I do n't think that 's a bad step to take for a student unless they have grants and scholarships that require that they be enrolled at a university level institution .
Sorry if parts of this sounded like a rant .
I just feel that students should n't downplay a community college if they do n't have what it takes financially to get into a big school .
Maybe I went to an extraordinary community college but my experience is that with a little research and planning a student can get a really great step towards a better education at a discount price and the vast majority of it should transfer .
I was in a situation where I simply could n't afford even the second rate universities when I graduated high school and I let that hold me back because I had a bad taste in my mouth when someone mentioned community college .
Like I said , I got out of it what I put into it and I 'm grateful that it was there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are much less selective than 4-year schools and the programs tend to be more vocational in nature.
They only appear to be more vocational in nature because that's the general impression of associates degrees.
Anyone not aspiring to a bachelor's degree or higher would be an idiot for going anyplace other than a community college.
I went to a community college but my professors normally taught at universities.
I felt that community college was second rate too until I really looked around.
I had a professor from CMU who told us that the course he was presenting was the same as he would present for one of his Carnegie Mellon classes.
My Astronomy 101 professor was an actual professional astronomer and not just some academia with a big head.
My sociology teacher had a doctorate from Yale, also studied in Berlin and Moscow and taught at Pitt.
I look back now and see that there was a lot of quality education that went on and any "dumbing down" that was done was more so from the aspect of the students than the teaching staff.
As much as college is a way to filter out the dead weight it's no different than public schools in that you get out of it what you put into it.
That said, taking some things like composition or entry-level mathematics tends to be the same regardless of whether you take it at a community college for $40/hour or at a university for $200/hour.
You're right, the current numbers from my CC (CCAC) to PSU was roughly 95 dollars a credit from CCAC to nearly 500 USD a credit at Penn State.
These numbers are for a part time student.
As a full timer YMMV.
Some of the stuff the kid took won't be worth anything anywhere, but he'll have a good chunk of his general education requirements knocked out at whatever university he gets into.
If this is true than it's his own fault.
PSU gladly sent me their transfer sheet for CCAC.
All in all I think I took 7 credits that didn't transfer and 4 of those were for a sub-100 course I took just to get back into the swing of things after not having been in a classroom for over a decade.
A student at CCAC could take all the courses they need to at 1/5th the price and put themselves in the same arena as a second semester junior at Penn State.
I don't think that's a bad step to take for a student unless they have grants and scholarships that require that they be enrolled at a university level institution.
Sorry if parts of this sounded like a rant.
I just feel that students shouldn't downplay a community college if they don't have what it takes financially to get into a big school.
Maybe I went to an extraordinary community college but my experience is that with a little research and planning a student can get a really great step towards a better education at a discount price and the vast majority of it should transfer.
I was in a situation where I simply couldn't afford even the second rate universities when I graduated high school and I let that hold me back because I had a bad taste in my mouth when someone mentioned community college.
Like I said, I got out of it what I put into it and I'm grateful that it was there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28259487</id>
	<title>Re:proof of intellegence</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244469420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No the actual way of keeping other 11-year-olds from kicking his smart ass, is skipping 7 courses and dealing with them once they are in their twenties. Wow, this boy is a genius.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No the actual way of keeping other 11-year-olds from kicking his smart ass , is skipping 7 courses and dealing with them once they are in their twenties .
Wow , this boy is a genius .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No the actual way of keeping other 11-year-olds from kicking his smart ass, is skipping 7 courses and dealing with them once they are in their twenties.
Wow, this boy is a genius.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252601</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>rob1980</author>
	<datestamp>1244483580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are much less selective than 4-year schools and the programs tend to be more vocational in nature.<br> <br>
That said, taking some things like composition or entry-level mathematics tends to be the same regardless of whether you take it at a community college for $40/hour or at a university for $200/hour.  Some of the stuff the kid took won't be worth anything anywhere, but he'll have a good chunk of his general education requirements knocked out at whatever university he gets into.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are much less selective than 4-year schools and the programs tend to be more vocational in nature .
That said , taking some things like composition or entry-level mathematics tends to be the same regardless of whether you take it at a community college for $ 40/hour or at a university for $ 200/hour .
Some of the stuff the kid took wo n't be worth anything anywhere , but he 'll have a good chunk of his general education requirements knocked out at whatever university he gets into .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are much less selective than 4-year schools and the programs tend to be more vocational in nature.
That said, taking some things like composition or entry-level mathematics tends to be the same regardless of whether you take it at a community college for $40/hour or at a university for $200/hour.
Some of the stuff the kid took won't be worth anything anywhere, but he'll have a good chunk of his general education requirements knocked out at whatever university he gets into.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253079</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>atamido</author>
	<datestamp>1244485560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Community college is much easier to transition into than full university.  Sending a 9 year old to full university is a good way to have someone crack under pressure.  At the community college the classes are probably smaller, the teachers can take more time to evaluate the students, and the parents can probably be more involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Community college is much easier to transition into than full university .
Sending a 9 year old to full university is a good way to have someone crack under pressure .
At the community college the classes are probably smaller , the teachers can take more time to evaluate the students , and the parents can probably be more involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Community college is much easier to transition into than full university.
Sending a 9 year old to full university is a good way to have someone crack under pressure.
At the community college the classes are probably smaller, the teachers can take more time to evaluate the students, and the parents can probably be more involved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28255217</id>
	<title>Re:And was never heard from again. . .</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1244494560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The world just doesn't work that way.</p></div><p>As one would expect since the world, or human 'civilized' society anyway, is neither logical nor fair.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The world just does n't work that way.As one would expect since the world , or human 'civilized ' society anyway , is neither logical nor fair .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The world just doesn't work that way.As one would expect since the world, or human 'civilized' society anyway, is neither logical nor fair.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253009</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>adonoman</author>
	<datestamp>1244485200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The worst part is, is that even for the middle-of-the-road kids, the thinking techniques and content that they teach arent' that tough.  Even first-year university-level calculus can be taught one-on-one in a week to an average person by a competent tutor.  But, by teaching to the bottom of the pack, the teachers make everything seem like it should be much harder than it is, so the students spend huge amounts of time trying to memorise lists of rules that apply to very specific situations, instead of developing an intuitive understanding of how a system works.  It's like the coder who write this:</p><p><tt><br>switch (var)<br>{<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; case 0:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; return 0;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; case 1:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; return 1;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; case 2:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; return 2;</tt></p><p><tt>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; \\<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</tt></p><p><tt>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; case 1522145:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; return 1522145;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; case 1522146:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; return 1522146;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; default:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ASSERT(false);<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// If this happens, add more numbers to the switch.<br>}</tt></p><p><br>instead of</p><p><tt><br>return var;</tt></p><p>Anyone can understand what the second example does just by looking at it.  On the other hand, looking at the first example, you have to check every single case to make sure there isn't an exception hidden in there.  Nearly all of my teachers taught in the first manner.  They don't explain that there is a relationship between resitance, voltage and current, they give you three separate sitations: you have resistance and voltage; you have voltage and current; and you have current and resistance.  Then they teach you three formulae to solve each situation.  And they'll devote an entire class to examples for each of the three.  And everyone is sitting there assuming they must be missing something because the professor spent 3 hours try to teach that V = IR, and hasn't even touched on the theory and the reasons why the relation holds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The worst part is , is that even for the middle-of-the-road kids , the thinking techniques and content that they teach arent ' that tough .
Even first-year university-level calculus can be taught one-on-one in a week to an average person by a competent tutor .
But , by teaching to the bottom of the pack , the teachers make everything seem like it should be much harder than it is , so the students spend huge amounts of time trying to memorise lists of rules that apply to very specific situations , instead of developing an intuitive understanding of how a system works .
It 's like the coder who write this : switch ( var ) {       case 0 :             return 0 ;       case 1 :             return 1 ;       case 2 :             return 2 ;       \ \ .. .       case 1522145 :             return 1522145 ;       case 1522146 :             return 1522146 ;       default :             ASSERT ( false ) ; // If this happens , add more numbers to the switch .
} instead ofreturn var ; Anyone can understand what the second example does just by looking at it .
On the other hand , looking at the first example , you have to check every single case to make sure there is n't an exception hidden in there .
Nearly all of my teachers taught in the first manner .
They do n't explain that there is a relationship between resitance , voltage and current , they give you three separate sitations : you have resistance and voltage ; you have voltage and current ; and you have current and resistance .
Then they teach you three formulae to solve each situation .
And they 'll devote an entire class to examples for each of the three .
And everyone is sitting there assuming they must be missing something because the professor spent 3 hours try to teach that V = IR , and has n't even touched on the theory and the reasons why the relation holds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The worst part is, is that even for the middle-of-the-road kids, the thinking techniques and content that they teach arent' that tough.
Even first-year university-level calculus can be taught one-on-one in a week to an average person by a competent tutor.
But, by teaching to the bottom of the pack, the teachers make everything seem like it should be much harder than it is, so the students spend huge amounts of time trying to memorise lists of rules that apply to very specific situations, instead of developing an intuitive understanding of how a system works.
It's like the coder who write this:switch (var){
      case 0:
            return 0;
      case 1:
            return 1;
      case 2:
            return 2;
      \\ ...
      case 1522145:
            return 1522145;
      case 1522146:
            return 1522146;
      default:
            ASSERT(false); // If this happens, add more numbers to the switch.
}instead ofreturn var;Anyone can understand what the second example does just by looking at it.
On the other hand, looking at the first example, you have to check every single case to make sure there isn't an exception hidden in there.
Nearly all of my teachers taught in the first manner.
They don't explain that there is a relationship between resitance, voltage and current, they give you three separate sitations: you have resistance and voltage; you have voltage and current; and you have current and resistance.
Then they teach you three formulae to solve each situation.
And they'll devote an entire class to examples for each of the three.
And everyone is sitting there assuming they must be missing something because the professor spent 3 hours try to teach that V = IR, and hasn't even touched on the theory and the reasons why the relation holds.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252213</id>
	<title>Not really a good idea.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244482200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ask anyone who has done something like this (myself included, but not to that extreme), and, 5-10 years down the line, they'll tell you that their parents should never have had them do it.  School isn't entirely there to learn what's in the classes, it's also training you socially.  Anything that desynchronizes you from the social skills you're supposed to be learning at any given age is a long run detriment, because social skills build just like math and science.  And the 'real world' is a lot more dependent on social factors than most people this website wants to believe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ask anyone who has done something like this ( myself included , but not to that extreme ) , and , 5-10 years down the line , they 'll tell you that their parents should never have had them do it .
School is n't entirely there to learn what 's in the classes , it 's also training you socially .
Anything that desynchronizes you from the social skills you 're supposed to be learning at any given age is a long run detriment , because social skills build just like math and science .
And the 'real world ' is a lot more dependent on social factors than most people this website wants to believe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ask anyone who has done something like this (myself included, but not to that extreme), and, 5-10 years down the line, they'll tell you that their parents should never have had them do it.
School isn't entirely there to learn what's in the classes, it's also training you socially.
Anything that desynchronizes you from the social skills you're supposed to be learning at any given age is a long run detriment, because social skills build just like math and science.
And the 'real world' is a lot more dependent on social factors than most people this website wants to believe.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252973</id>
	<title>Re:Games Are a "Waste of Time"</title>
	<author>TheLink</author>
	<datestamp>1244485080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actor = contradiction?<br><br>Maybe he intends to be President of the United States (or some position of great power).<br><br>Movie-actor isn't so bad preparation for that role<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;).<br><br>Be prepared to welcome your ex-child-genius martial artist, scuba diving, piano playing Overlord...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actor = contradiction ? Maybe he intends to be President of the United States ( or some position of great power ) .Movie-actor is n't so bad preparation for that role ; ) .Be prepared to welcome your ex-child-genius martial artist , scuba diving , piano playing Overlord.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actor = contradiction?Maybe he intends to be President of the United States (or some position of great power).Movie-actor isn't so bad preparation for that role ;).Be prepared to welcome your ex-child-genius martial artist, scuba diving, piano playing Overlord...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28256673</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>AK Marc</author>
	<datestamp>1244455860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>By the way, most preteens don't have the emotional maturity to succeed in a "normal" college social environment. </i> <br> <br>So?  Most preteens don't have the emotional maturity to succeed in middle school, yet that's where he'd be if he followed the traditional schedule.  And for someone so far ahead of his "peers" to go to such a school would pretty much guarantee that he won't fit in.  From my personal experiences, I'd say he has the same or even better chance of social success in jr. college vs. jr. high.</htmltext>
<tokenext>By the way , most preteens do n't have the emotional maturity to succeed in a " normal " college social environment .
So ? Most preteens do n't have the emotional maturity to succeed in middle school , yet that 's where he 'd be if he followed the traditional schedule .
And for someone so far ahead of his " peers " to go to such a school would pretty much guarantee that he wo n't fit in .
From my personal experiences , I 'd say he has the same or even better chance of social success in jr. college vs. jr. high .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By the way, most preteens don't have the emotional maturity to succeed in a "normal" college social environment.
So?  Most preteens don't have the emotional maturity to succeed in middle school, yet that's where he'd be if he followed the traditional schedule.
And for someone so far ahead of his "peers" to go to such a school would pretty much guarantee that he won't fit in.
From my personal experiences, I'd say he has the same or even better chance of social success in jr. college vs. jr. high.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252305</id>
	<title>Community college?</title>
	<author>religious freak</author>
	<datestamp>1244482620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Kai Cavalin has graduated from East Los Angeles Community College</p></div><p>I'm sure he's more brilliant than I'll ever to close to, but wouldn't it have made sense to go to a real university if he's that smart?  <br> <br>
Here's some Doogie Howser music, if you miss the intro, like I do (for some bizarre reason) <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3qt3k\_alternate-doogie-howser-md-tv-intro\_fun" title="dailymotion.com">http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3qt3k\_alternate-doogie-howser-md-tv-intro\_fun</a> [dailymotion.com]</p></div>
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<tokenext>Kai Cavalin has graduated from East Los Angeles Community CollegeI 'm sure he 's more brilliant than I 'll ever to close to , but would n't it have made sense to go to a real university if he 's that smart ?
Here 's some Doogie Howser music , if you miss the intro , like I do ( for some bizarre reason ) http : //www.dailymotion.com/video/x3qt3k \ _alternate-doogie-howser-md-tv-intro \ _fun [ dailymotion.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kai Cavalin has graduated from East Los Angeles Community CollegeI'm sure he's more brilliant than I'll ever to close to, but wouldn't it have made sense to go to a real university if he's that smart?
Here's some Doogie Howser music, if you miss the intro, like I do (for some bizarre reason) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3qt3k\_alternate-doogie-howser-md-tv-intro\_fun [dailymotion.com]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252069</id>
	<title>Re:Two Year Associate's Degree of Liberal Arts</title>
	<author>siloko</author>
	<datestamp>1244481420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I could barely tie my shoe laces when I was 11 let alone come out with: "I don't consider myself a genius because there are 6.5 billion people in this world and each one is smart in his or her own way." That's a very special comment right there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I could barely tie my shoe laces when I was 11 let alone come out with : " I do n't consider myself a genius because there are 6.5 billion people in this world and each one is smart in his or her own way .
" That 's a very special comment right there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could barely tie my shoe laces when I was 11 let alone come out with: "I don't consider myself a genius because there are 6.5 billion people in this world and each one is smart in his or her own way.
" That's a very special comment right there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252467</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244483100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Utter bullshit.  NCLB is a failure but teachers have been required to teach to the "lowest common denominator" for a LONG time.  At the very least, since the 1970's.  (Wasn't in school before that.)  NCLB was, in fact, supposed to fix this problem.  While the teacher's unions (though NOT the teachers) worked their darnedest to make sure that any good that could come of NCLB has failed, it did not cause the problem you mention.<p>
You do a disservice to fixing the US education system by blaming a failed solution to an existing problem as the source of the problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Utter bullshit .
NCLB is a failure but teachers have been required to teach to the " lowest common denominator " for a LONG time .
At the very least , since the 1970 's .
( Was n't in school before that .
) NCLB was , in fact , supposed to fix this problem .
While the teacher 's unions ( though NOT the teachers ) worked their darnedest to make sure that any good that could come of NCLB has failed , it did not cause the problem you mention .
You do a disservice to fixing the US education system by blaming a failed solution to an existing problem as the source of the problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Utter bullshit.
NCLB is a failure but teachers have been required to teach to the "lowest common denominator" for a LONG time.
At the very least, since the 1970's.
(Wasn't in school before that.
)  NCLB was, in fact, supposed to fix this problem.
While the teacher's unions (though NOT the teachers) worked their darnedest to make sure that any good that could come of NCLB has failed, it did not cause the problem you mention.
You do a disservice to fixing the US education system by blaming a failed solution to an existing problem as the source of the problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28259243</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, and it is very bad, and dangerous,</p><p>Thus we teach all but the brightest and \_\_MOST\_\_DETERMINED\_\_ that Bullshit is better than brains and the system is broken. I got this in the US in 1951 when the system was already so broken that it did not know what to do with bright kids.</p><p>No, boring the ass off them for the next 15 years is not the answer. When I was 8 a helpful young Indian maths grad student taught me the beginnings of algebra and in about a week he had taught me all the algebra and calculus I would need before I started to learn real mathematics, how and why, it isn't hard and dosn't take long if no-one is making a fuss. Now I understood simple Mathematics science was easy, hint, its only hard if you try to do it without mathematics for the innumerate.</p><p>Fortunately I did High School and First Degree in the UK which was yet to be affected by this crap, but teacher colleagues tell me is now at least as bad.</p><p>If I were a school student in the US today I would devote 90\% of my energy to creating a revolution to empower bright-kids and would seek to rely on the Second Ammendment to ensure the PC did not triumph</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , and it is very bad , and dangerous,Thus we teach all but the brightest and \ _ \ _MOST \ _ \ _DETERMINED \ _ \ _ that Bullshit is better than brains and the system is broken .
I got this in the US in 1951 when the system was already so broken that it did not know what to do with bright kids.No , boring the ass off them for the next 15 years is not the answer .
When I was 8 a helpful young Indian maths grad student taught me the beginnings of algebra and in about a week he had taught me all the algebra and calculus I would need before I started to learn real mathematics , how and why , it is n't hard and dos n't take long if no-one is making a fuss .
Now I understood simple Mathematics science was easy , hint , its only hard if you try to do it without mathematics for the innumerate.Fortunately I did High School and First Degree in the UK which was yet to be affected by this crap , but teacher colleagues tell me is now at least as bad.If I were a school student in the US today I would devote 90 \ % of my energy to creating a revolution to empower bright-kids and would seek to rely on the Second Ammendment to ensure the PC did not triumph</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, and it is very bad, and dangerous,Thus we teach all but the brightest and \_\_MOST\_\_DETERMINED\_\_ that Bullshit is better than brains and the system is broken.
I got this in the US in 1951 when the system was already so broken that it did not know what to do with bright kids.No, boring the ass off them for the next 15 years is not the answer.
When I was 8 a helpful young Indian maths grad student taught me the beginnings of algebra and in about a week he had taught me all the algebra and calculus I would need before I started to learn real mathematics, how and why, it isn't hard and dosn't take long if no-one is making a fuss.
Now I understood simple Mathematics science was easy, hint, its only hard if you try to do it without mathematics for the innumerate.Fortunately I did High School and First Degree in the UK which was yet to be affected by this crap, but teacher colleagues tell me is now at least as bad.If I were a school student in the US today I would devote 90\% of my energy to creating a revolution to empower bright-kids and would seek to rely on the Second Ammendment to ensure the PC did not triumph</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252055</id>
	<title>oh yeah?</title>
	<author>jollyreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1244481360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Think you're smart, kid? Well, I can still kick your ass at teatherball. (I hope.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think you 're smart , kid ?
Well , I can still kick your ass at teatherball .
( I hope .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think you're smart, kid?
Well, I can still kick your ass at teatherball.
(I hope.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252051</id>
	<title>Not a genius?  He probably is.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought genius was defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile or higher.</p><p>By the way, most preteens don't have the emotional maturity to succeed in a "normal" college social environment.  I'm not saying they can't succeed academically, it's just unlikely they will "fit in" in most college social organizations.  We all need to be with our social peers.</p><p>Community college is a bit different as there's less of a social environment.  On-line school is also a huge opportunity for "non-traditional" students such as those too young to drive or old enough to not be carded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought genius was defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile or higher.By the way , most preteens do n't have the emotional maturity to succeed in a " normal " college social environment .
I 'm not saying they ca n't succeed academically , it 's just unlikely they will " fit in " in most college social organizations .
We all need to be with our social peers.Community college is a bit different as there 's less of a social environment .
On-line school is also a huge opportunity for " non-traditional " students such as those too young to drive or old enough to not be carded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought genius was defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile or higher.By the way, most preteens don't have the emotional maturity to succeed in a "normal" college social environment.
I'm not saying they can't succeed academically, it's just unlikely they will "fit in" in most college social organizations.
We all need to be with our social peers.Community college is a bit different as there's less of a social environment.
On-line school is also a huge opportunity for "non-traditional" students such as those too young to drive or old enough to not be carded.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254519</id>
	<title>There must be a mistake..</title>
	<author>PortHaven</author>
	<datestamp>1244492160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe they mean he wants to go to college for astrophysics.</p><p>He's graduating from a community college. Which usually means a 2-yr degree. I do not believe you can get an astrophysics degree in a 2-yr program from a community college. Also, most would argue that an associates is not really what people mean by a college degree.</p><p>I have an Associates in Computer Science. But I think few would accept me claiming to be a college graduate. It's like dropping out in the 10th grade and claiming you graduated high school.</p><p>I am not trying to knock the kids achievements. Just think the story is misleading and premature. Come back to me in 2 yrs when he graduates with a BS degree.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they mean he wants to go to college for astrophysics.He 's graduating from a community college .
Which usually means a 2-yr degree .
I do not believe you can get an astrophysics degree in a 2-yr program from a community college .
Also , most would argue that an associates is not really what people mean by a college degree.I have an Associates in Computer Science .
But I think few would accept me claiming to be a college graduate .
It 's like dropping out in the 10th grade and claiming you graduated high school.I am not trying to knock the kids achievements .
Just think the story is misleading and premature .
Come back to me in 2 yrs when he graduates with a BS degree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they mean he wants to go to college for astrophysics.He's graduating from a community college.
Which usually means a 2-yr degree.
I do not believe you can get an astrophysics degree in a 2-yr program from a community college.
Also, most would argue that an associates is not really what people mean by a college degree.I have an Associates in Computer Science.
But I think few would accept me claiming to be a college graduate.
It's like dropping out in the 10th grade and claiming you graduated high school.I am not trying to knock the kids achievements.
Just think the story is misleading and premature.
Come back to me in 2 yrs when he graduates with a BS degree.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252577</id>
	<title>This is not that unusual</title>
	<author>cortesoft</author>
	<datestamp>1244483460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am not sure why this is newsworthy.  When I was a freshman in college, one of the kids on our floor was a 14 year old starting his PHd in Computer Science.  He already had his bachelors from UC Berkeley.  He fit in ok, and we properly corrupted him, and he had his PHd by 17.  I know other kids who did similar things.   The academic work is not THAT difficult for lots of younger kids.  Socially it is a bit harder, but many of the kids who decide to go to college do so not just because they are academically ready, but because they have trouble fitting in with kids their own age.  Hell, I took many college courses while I was in middle and high school.  We even talked about skipping grades, but I liked the social and athletic aspects of middle and highschool too much.  Sure, the work was easy... which gave me more time to mess around and be a kid.  For these kids, they clearly do not enjoy the social experience of highschool, so they skip it.  It isn't like the kid is some sort of mad genius.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not sure why this is newsworthy .
When I was a freshman in college , one of the kids on our floor was a 14 year old starting his PHd in Computer Science .
He already had his bachelors from UC Berkeley .
He fit in ok , and we properly corrupted him , and he had his PHd by 17 .
I know other kids who did similar things .
The academic work is not THAT difficult for lots of younger kids .
Socially it is a bit harder , but many of the kids who decide to go to college do so not just because they are academically ready , but because they have trouble fitting in with kids their own age .
Hell , I took many college courses while I was in middle and high school .
We even talked about skipping grades , but I liked the social and athletic aspects of middle and highschool too much .
Sure , the work was easy... which gave me more time to mess around and be a kid .
For these kids , they clearly do not enjoy the social experience of highschool , so they skip it .
It is n't like the kid is some sort of mad genius .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not sure why this is newsworthy.
When I was a freshman in college, one of the kids on our floor was a 14 year old starting his PHd in Computer Science.
He already had his bachelors from UC Berkeley.
He fit in ok, and we properly corrupted him, and he had his PHd by 17.
I know other kids who did similar things.
The academic work is not THAT difficult for lots of younger kids.
Socially it is a bit harder, but many of the kids who decide to go to college do so not just because they are academically ready, but because they have trouble fitting in with kids their own age.
Hell, I took many college courses while I was in middle and high school.
We even talked about skipping grades, but I liked the social and athletic aspects of middle and highschool too much.
Sure, the work was easy... which gave me more time to mess around and be a kid.
For these kids, they clearly do not enjoy the social experience of highschool, so they skip it.
It isn't like the kid is some sort of mad genius.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253541</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>KefabiMe</author>
	<datestamp>1244488200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Social peers is all to often a nice waying of saying "hang out with the half wits". There is a lot of value being put on "functioning well in groups" that for certain people mean they get to learn that they really don't want to be part of any group that they haven't selected for themselves.</p></div></blockquote><p>Why do you gotta be a dick? Do you get to choose who is around you at all times? Probably not. Knowing how to interact with other people is not a useless skill.</p><p>All those "half wits" may not have the scientific and technical knowledge you have, but at least they aren't assholes. Everyone has specialized and does something much better than you can I'm sure. If I want to have a thoughtful political or scientific discussion, a Slashdot member would be great for that. If I wanted a crew mate on a fishing boat? Someone to help build a house? Someone to help me realize that I spend way too much time on the computer and that there's a shitload more shit to do before I die? I'd rather take a "half wit" than you!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Social peers is all to often a nice waying of saying " hang out with the half wits " .
There is a lot of value being put on " functioning well in groups " that for certain people mean they get to learn that they really do n't want to be part of any group that they have n't selected for themselves.Why do you got ta be a dick ?
Do you get to choose who is around you at all times ?
Probably not .
Knowing how to interact with other people is not a useless skill.All those " half wits " may not have the scientific and technical knowledge you have , but at least they are n't assholes .
Everyone has specialized and does something much better than you can I 'm sure .
If I want to have a thoughtful political or scientific discussion , a Slashdot member would be great for that .
If I wanted a crew mate on a fishing boat ?
Someone to help build a house ?
Someone to help me realize that I spend way too much time on the computer and that there 's a shitload more shit to do before I die ?
I 'd rather take a " half wit " than you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Social peers is all to often a nice waying of saying "hang out with the half wits".
There is a lot of value being put on "functioning well in groups" that for certain people mean they get to learn that they really don't want to be part of any group that they haven't selected for themselves.Why do you gotta be a dick?
Do you get to choose who is around you at all times?
Probably not.
Knowing how to interact with other people is not a useless skill.All those "half wits" may not have the scientific and technical knowledge you have, but at least they aren't assholes.
Everyone has specialized and does something much better than you can I'm sure.
If I want to have a thoughtful political or scientific discussion, a Slashdot member would be great for that.
If I wanted a crew mate on a fishing boat?
Someone to help build a house?
Someone to help me realize that I spend way too much time on the computer and that there's a shitload more shit to do before I die?
I'd rather take a "half wit" than you!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253727</id>
	<title>Oblig Big Bang Reference</title>
	<author>mordred99</author>
	<datestamp>1244488920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Funny if his name was Sheldon Cooper</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny if his name was Sheldon Cooper</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny if his name was Sheldon Cooper</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252563</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1244483400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Genius is 130+, retarded is -70, and average is 100.</p></div><p>I always thought genius was defined as 140+.  Hot Damn, I just became a genius!  Call out to all the Mensa chicks:  New [int]elligible bachelor!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Genius is 130 + , retarded is -70 , and average is 100.I always thought genius was defined as 140 + .
Hot Damn , I just became a genius !
Call out to all the Mensa chicks : New [ int ] elligible bachelor !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Genius is 130+, retarded is -70, and average is 100.I always thought genius was defined as 140+.
Hot Damn, I just became a genius!
Call out to all the Mensa chicks:  New [int]elligible bachelor!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252231</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244482320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I thought genius was defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile or higher.</p></div><p>Not.  I did a hard course at an elite university.  I have no trouble believing we were all in the top 2\%.  But we weren't freaking geniuses.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought genius was defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile or higher.Not .
I did a hard course at an elite university .
I have no trouble believing we were all in the top 2 \ % .
But we were n't freaking geniuses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought genius was defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile or higher.Not.
I did a hard course at an elite university.
I have no trouble believing we were all in the top 2\%.
But we weren't freaking geniuses.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252925</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1244484840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are basing your entire argument on the assumption that skipping grades hurts your ability to socialize. Yet you have no proof or even explanation of this. I posit more intelligent students would have a better time getting along with elder students. And that skipping a grade is no more harmful to your social education than is moving. And that may be beneficial to your social education, learning to adapt to the new environment could be good (it was for me personally). Seeing the world from a different perspective may give you a different set of insights. Just because it is different doesn't mean it's wrong, unless that is the social lesson you are trying to impart. I think completing high school and university early could give him time to explore other interests of his. I doubt his parents will throw him out on his own just because he finished university when he could have taken 10more years.<br> <br>In any case I find this is one of those things society has taken for granted as common knowledge but it has no studies backing it and no real logical foundation to stand on, yet policy is built around it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are basing your entire argument on the assumption that skipping grades hurts your ability to socialize .
Yet you have no proof or even explanation of this .
I posit more intelligent students would have a better time getting along with elder students .
And that skipping a grade is no more harmful to your social education than is moving .
And that may be beneficial to your social education , learning to adapt to the new environment could be good ( it was for me personally ) .
Seeing the world from a different perspective may give you a different set of insights .
Just because it is different does n't mean it 's wrong , unless that is the social lesson you are trying to impart .
I think completing high school and university early could give him time to explore other interests of his .
I doubt his parents will throw him out on his own just because he finished university when he could have taken 10more years .
In any case I find this is one of those things society has taken for granted as common knowledge but it has no studies backing it and no real logical foundation to stand on , yet policy is built around it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are basing your entire argument on the assumption that skipping grades hurts your ability to socialize.
Yet you have no proof or even explanation of this.
I posit more intelligent students would have a better time getting along with elder students.
And that skipping a grade is no more harmful to your social education than is moving.
And that may be beneficial to your social education, learning to adapt to the new environment could be good (it was for me personally).
Seeing the world from a different perspective may give you a different set of insights.
Just because it is different doesn't mean it's wrong, unless that is the social lesson you are trying to impart.
I think completing high school and university early could give him time to explore other interests of his.
I doubt his parents will throw him out on his own just because he finished university when he could have taken 10more years.
In any case I find this is one of those things society has taken for granted as common knowledge but it has no studies backing it and no real logical foundation to stand on, yet policy is built around it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28255883</id>
	<title>Sigh</title>
	<author>Endo13</author>
	<datestamp>1244453280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>There's not much to go on to really get an idea about the kid as a person. No way to really tell if he's well-rounded or not. In my experience though, with the few of his comments that *are* quoted in TFA I'd have to say he's probably a stuck-up condescending jackass. Hopefully that's not true, and like I said there's not much to go on.</p><p>Looking at the comment (paraphrased) "I don't consider myself to be exceptionally smart because there's 6.5 billion people in the world, and they're all smart!... in their own way". Obviously we can't see his face when he said that, or hear his tone, but that statement is just dripping with condescension. People who make that comment usually make it because they believe they're so much better than "those other people" that those other people will never realize just how untrue it actually is, so they can get away with it. The interesting part about it is what he said actually is more or less true. (Perfect example is Bill Watterson. Totally sucked at math and science, but possibly the most brilliant comic strip writer ever.) I honestly hope I'm wrong, and that he actually believes what he said.</p><p>But then there's his comment about video games. Do I really need to say more?</p><p>What it really boils down to is the kid enjoys studying. Video games aren't fun for him. I'd guess most social activities really aren't either. He did what he enjoyed, pure and simple. He's just lucky that what he enjoys also happens to be things that will prove more beneficial down the road than the things most kids enjoy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's not much to go on to really get an idea about the kid as a person .
No way to really tell if he 's well-rounded or not .
In my experience though , with the few of his comments that * are * quoted in TFA I 'd have to say he 's probably a stuck-up condescending jackass .
Hopefully that 's not true , and like I said there 's not much to go on.Looking at the comment ( paraphrased ) " I do n't consider myself to be exceptionally smart because there 's 6.5 billion people in the world , and they 're all smart ! .. .
in their own way " .
Obviously we ca n't see his face when he said that , or hear his tone , but that statement is just dripping with condescension .
People who make that comment usually make it because they believe they 're so much better than " those other people " that those other people will never realize just how untrue it actually is , so they can get away with it .
The interesting part about it is what he said actually is more or less true .
( Perfect example is Bill Watterson .
Totally sucked at math and science , but possibly the most brilliant comic strip writer ever .
) I honestly hope I 'm wrong , and that he actually believes what he said.But then there 's his comment about video games .
Do I really need to say more ? What it really boils down to is the kid enjoys studying .
Video games are n't fun for him .
I 'd guess most social activities really are n't either .
He did what he enjoyed , pure and simple .
He 's just lucky that what he enjoys also happens to be things that will prove more beneficial down the road than the things most kids enjoy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's not much to go on to really get an idea about the kid as a person.
No way to really tell if he's well-rounded or not.
In my experience though, with the few of his comments that *are* quoted in TFA I'd have to say he's probably a stuck-up condescending jackass.
Hopefully that's not true, and like I said there's not much to go on.Looking at the comment (paraphrased) "I don't consider myself to be exceptionally smart because there's 6.5 billion people in the world, and they're all smart!...
in their own way".
Obviously we can't see his face when he said that, or hear his tone, but that statement is just dripping with condescension.
People who make that comment usually make it because they believe they're so much better than "those other people" that those other people will never realize just how untrue it actually is, so they can get away with it.
The interesting part about it is what he said actually is more or less true.
(Perfect example is Bill Watterson.
Totally sucked at math and science, but possibly the most brilliant comic strip writer ever.
) I honestly hope I'm wrong, and that he actually believes what he said.But then there's his comment about video games.
Do I really need to say more?What it really boils down to is the kid enjoys studying.
Video games aren't fun for him.
I'd guess most social activities really aren't either.
He did what he enjoyed, pure and simple.
He's just lucky that what he enjoys also happens to be things that will prove more beneficial down the road than the things most kids enjoy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253093</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>XcepticZP</author>
	<datestamp>1244485620000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As for university, I dunno about where you went but where I went you could complete it as fast as you could handle. You can CLEP a lot of stuff, and with a dean's permission take as many units as would fit in your schedule. Completing a degree in 2 years would be an amazing amount of work, but perfectly doable if you could handle the load.</p></div><p>
Well at my specific university, they stipulate the minimum and maximum number of years you need to complete a degree. Taking classes a year ahead of you isn't allowed due to prerequisite requirements and all that, not to mention that you need credits from one year to advance to the next. They have all sorts of rules and regulations to prevent precisely that which I'm complaining about. The only time you can do it is with the approval of the dean. And that only happens with genius people.
<br> <br>
I'm currently in a South African university, University of Pretoria. Supposedly the best one in the country, but I wouldn't be so sure about that, seeing the kind of illiterate people they allow entrance to.</p></div>
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<tokenext>As for university , I dunno about where you went but where I went you could complete it as fast as you could handle .
You can CLEP a lot of stuff , and with a dean 's permission take as many units as would fit in your schedule .
Completing a degree in 2 years would be an amazing amount of work , but perfectly doable if you could handle the load .
Well at my specific university , they stipulate the minimum and maximum number of years you need to complete a degree .
Taking classes a year ahead of you is n't allowed due to prerequisite requirements and all that , not to mention that you need credits from one year to advance to the next .
They have all sorts of rules and regulations to prevent precisely that which I 'm complaining about .
The only time you can do it is with the approval of the dean .
And that only happens with genius people .
I 'm currently in a South African university , University of Pretoria .
Supposedly the best one in the country , but I would n't be so sure about that , seeing the kind of illiterate people they allow entrance to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As for university, I dunno about where you went but where I went you could complete it as fast as you could handle.
You can CLEP a lot of stuff, and with a dean's permission take as many units as would fit in your schedule.
Completing a degree in 2 years would be an amazing amount of work, but perfectly doable if you could handle the load.
Well at my specific university, they stipulate the minimum and maximum number of years you need to complete a degree.
Taking classes a year ahead of you isn't allowed due to prerequisite requirements and all that, not to mention that you need credits from one year to advance to the next.
They have all sorts of rules and regulations to prevent precisely that which I'm complaining about.
The only time you can do it is with the approval of the dean.
And that only happens with genius people.
I'm currently in a South African university, University of Pretoria.
Supposedly the best one in the country, but I wouldn't be so sure about that, seeing the kind of illiterate people they allow entrance to.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253873</id>
	<title>MENSA is for idiots</title>
	<author>Fujisawa Sensei</author>
	<datestamp>1244489400000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I believe MENSA requires an IQ of 160 or higher.
Of course, IQ tests are retarded - the younger you are the higher your score, for the same performance.</p><p>This is why you get a lot of stories about "genius" kids and toddlers, when in fact, they're just above-average with parents who got them tested.</p></div><p>I wouldn't join MENSA, I know too many idiots there.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I believe MENSA requires an IQ of 160 or higher .
Of course , IQ tests are retarded - the younger you are the higher your score , for the same performance.This is why you get a lot of stories about " genius " kids and toddlers , when in fact , they 're just above-average with parents who got them tested.I would n't join MENSA , I know too many idiots there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe MENSA requires an IQ of 160 or higher.
Of course, IQ tests are retarded - the younger you are the higher your score, for the same performance.This is why you get a lot of stories about "genius" kids and toddlers, when in fact, they're just above-average with parents who got them tested.I wouldn't join MENSA, I know too many idiots there.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252679</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1244483760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Why not?   because they cant milk more money out of you.</p><p>the Education system has NEVER been about education. it's all about making money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not ?
because they cant milk more money out of you.the Education system has NEVER been about education .
it 's all about making money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not?
because they cant milk more money out of you.the Education system has NEVER been about education.
it's all about making money.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252163</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it's just unlikely they will "fit in" in most college social organizations</p></div><p>Speaking as someone who was in the same situation, but kept in regular school, it's just as unlikely that he'll "fit in" in the regular school system.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>We all need to be with our social peers.</p></div><p>And what if you don't have any social peers?  In regular school, at best he'll be ostracized and bored.  At worst he'll be bullied and bored.</p></div>
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<tokenext>it 's just unlikely they will " fit in " in most college social organizationsSpeaking as someone who was in the same situation , but kept in regular school , it 's just as unlikely that he 'll " fit in " in the regular school system.We all need to be with our social peers.And what if you do n't have any social peers ?
In regular school , at best he 'll be ostracized and bored .
At worst he 'll be bullied and bored .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's just unlikely they will "fit in" in most college social organizationsSpeaking as someone who was in the same situation, but kept in regular school, it's just as unlikely that he'll "fit in" in the regular school system.We all need to be with our social peers.And what if you don't have any social peers?
In regular school, at best he'll be ostracized and bored.
At worst he'll be bullied and bored.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252255</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244482440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I've got to say that in High School nothing pissed me off more than finding one of my peers had found a way to advance more rapidly than the rest of the class, and I didn't even know the opportunity existed until someone had won it.  I took every academic opportunity that I had access to and there were a handful of people who got more because they had a special relationship with the administration.  I probably could have done community college at 6th grade, most definitely by the time I hit high-school.  I think there are a lot of people out there that could handle that; the problem is if the smart kids go off to magnet schools or college before high school then you screw up the whole test scores metric.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got to say that in High School nothing pissed me off more than finding one of my peers had found a way to advance more rapidly than the rest of the class , and I did n't even know the opportunity existed until someone had won it .
I took every academic opportunity that I had access to and there were a handful of people who got more because they had a special relationship with the administration .
I probably could have done community college at 6th grade , most definitely by the time I hit high-school .
I think there are a lot of people out there that could handle that ; the problem is if the smart kids go off to magnet schools or college before high school then you screw up the whole test scores metric .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got to say that in High School nothing pissed me off more than finding one of my peers had found a way to advance more rapidly than the rest of the class, and I didn't even know the opportunity existed until someone had won it.
I took every academic opportunity that I had access to and there were a handful of people who got more because they had a special relationship with the administration.
I probably could have done community college at 6th grade, most definitely by the time I hit high-school.
I think there are a lot of people out there that could handle that; the problem is if the smart kids go off to magnet schools or college before high school then you screw up the whole test scores metric.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28256363</id>
	<title>Re:Games Are a "Waste of Time"</title>
	<author>j79zlr</author>
	<datestamp>1244454780000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Everything I needed to learn about wagon-wheel axles I learned from Oregon Trail.</p></div><p>They break right before an exceptionally tough winter where you lose 5 oxen? That is what I learned.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Everything I needed to learn about wagon-wheel axles I learned from Oregon Trail.They break right before an exceptionally tough winter where you lose 5 oxen ?
That is what I learned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything I needed to learn about wagon-wheel axles I learned from Oregon Trail.They break right before an exceptionally tough winter where you lose 5 oxen?
That is what I learned.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252401</id>
	<title>Also in some cases</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1244482980000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The option to advance faster is available, but recommended against. School isn't just about mental development, it is social development as well, and that is something that seems to be harder to accelerate.</p><p>When I was going in to first grade, my parents were offered the option to skip me ahead a grade. Whatever test it was I took showed I was far enough ahead to skip a grade. Apparently it actually showed I was far enough ahead to skip more than one, but one was all they offered. However my mom (a teacher) decided against it for social reasons.</p><p>I'm glad she did. I'm sure I would have done fine academically, school was never all that great a challenge for me. I probably could have skipped grades a few times and graduated at a young age... but to what end? I had enough trouble with socialization, as many geeks do, that wouldn't have helped at all. Especially since one valuable lesson I learned in school is yes, maybe you are smarter than many people, but that doesn't make you better than them. Don't look down at someone just because they aren't as smart as you.</p><p>Also, what do you do if you graduate early? University would suck. You'd be practically the only non-adult there. Just loaf around the house for a few years? That's not a good idea.</p><p>So really I think it makes sense to keep kids in school until a regular graduation time. Instead, just offer opportunities to learn more. My school was pretty good about there. There was advanced placement classes in some subjects, plenty of extra curricular activities and so on. I think that's a much better idea than trying to rush through school and then be a minor, yet be expected to enter the real world. The growing up part is important too. No need to rush it. You've got lots and lots of time to be an adult.</p><p>As for university, I dunno about where you went but where I went you could complete it as fast as you could handle. You can CLEP a lot of stuff, and with a dean's permission take as many units as would fit in your schedule. Completing a degree in 2 years would be an amazing amount of work, but perfectly doable if you could handle the load.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The option to advance faster is available , but recommended against .
School is n't just about mental development , it is social development as well , and that is something that seems to be harder to accelerate.When I was going in to first grade , my parents were offered the option to skip me ahead a grade .
Whatever test it was I took showed I was far enough ahead to skip a grade .
Apparently it actually showed I was far enough ahead to skip more than one , but one was all they offered .
However my mom ( a teacher ) decided against it for social reasons.I 'm glad she did .
I 'm sure I would have done fine academically , school was never all that great a challenge for me .
I probably could have skipped grades a few times and graduated at a young age... but to what end ?
I had enough trouble with socialization , as many geeks do , that would n't have helped at all .
Especially since one valuable lesson I learned in school is yes , maybe you are smarter than many people , but that does n't make you better than them .
Do n't look down at someone just because they are n't as smart as you.Also , what do you do if you graduate early ?
University would suck .
You 'd be practically the only non-adult there .
Just loaf around the house for a few years ?
That 's not a good idea.So really I think it makes sense to keep kids in school until a regular graduation time .
Instead , just offer opportunities to learn more .
My school was pretty good about there .
There was advanced placement classes in some subjects , plenty of extra curricular activities and so on .
I think that 's a much better idea than trying to rush through school and then be a minor , yet be expected to enter the real world .
The growing up part is important too .
No need to rush it .
You 've got lots and lots of time to be an adult.As for university , I dunno about where you went but where I went you could complete it as fast as you could handle .
You can CLEP a lot of stuff , and with a dean 's permission take as many units as would fit in your schedule .
Completing a degree in 2 years would be an amazing amount of work , but perfectly doable if you could handle the load .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The option to advance faster is available, but recommended against.
School isn't just about mental development, it is social development as well, and that is something that seems to be harder to accelerate.When I was going in to first grade, my parents were offered the option to skip me ahead a grade.
Whatever test it was I took showed I was far enough ahead to skip a grade.
Apparently it actually showed I was far enough ahead to skip more than one, but one was all they offered.
However my mom (a teacher) decided against it for social reasons.I'm glad she did.
I'm sure I would have done fine academically, school was never all that great a challenge for me.
I probably could have skipped grades a few times and graduated at a young age... but to what end?
I had enough trouble with socialization, as many geeks do, that wouldn't have helped at all.
Especially since one valuable lesson I learned in school is yes, maybe you are smarter than many people, but that doesn't make you better than them.
Don't look down at someone just because they aren't as smart as you.Also, what do you do if you graduate early?
University would suck.
You'd be practically the only non-adult there.
Just loaf around the house for a few years?
That's not a good idea.So really I think it makes sense to keep kids in school until a regular graduation time.
Instead, just offer opportunities to learn more.
My school was pretty good about there.
There was advanced placement classes in some subjects, plenty of extra curricular activities and so on.
I think that's a much better idea than trying to rush through school and then be a minor, yet be expected to enter the real world.
The growing up part is important too.
No need to rush it.
You've got lots and lots of time to be an adult.As for university, I dunno about where you went but where I went you could complete it as fast as you could handle.
You can CLEP a lot of stuff, and with a dean's permission take as many units as would fit in your schedule.
Completing a degree in 2 years would be an amazing amount of work, but perfectly doable if you could handle the load.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253325</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>MarkvW</author>
	<datestamp>1244486940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I'd bet that the choice of community college was mainly driven by convenience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd bet that the choice of community college was mainly driven by convenience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd bet that the choice of community college was mainly driven by convenience.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>lavalamp70</author>
	<datestamp>1244541360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>retarded is -70? Whew! I'm safe...</htmltext>
<tokenext>retarded is -70 ?
Whew ! I 'm safe.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>retarded is -70?
Whew! I'm safe...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28259037</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244466780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Dipshit, Youg kitd have made it at major Universities at very young ages especially before your cultural elitism became PC.</p><p>Who cares if he</p><p>(a) wants to study</p><p>(b) is too \_\_\_stupid\_\_\_ to worry about you, idiot, not liking him</p><p>(c) is too busy to waste time with pot, or chase tail all day</p><p>The only sense in which your comment has any meaning is that it does not take University, great or small to learn, only imagination and a good teacher to answer questions.</p><p>In the US today you are all bemused by failing "systems" most devised by those who do not understand the problem, wake up, and get real otherwise you will find yourself a third world country ever so soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dipshit , Youg kitd have made it at major Universities at very young ages especially before your cultural elitism became PC.Who cares if he ( a ) wants to study ( b ) is too \ _ \ _ \ _stupid \ _ \ _ \ _ to worry about you , idiot , not liking him ( c ) is too busy to waste time with pot , or chase tail all dayThe only sense in which your comment has any meaning is that it does not take University , great or small to learn , only imagination and a good teacher to answer questions.In the US today you are all bemused by failing " systems " most devised by those who do not understand the problem , wake up , and get real otherwise you will find yourself a third world country ever so soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dipshit, Youg kitd have made it at major Universities at very young ages especially before your cultural elitism became PC.Who cares if he(a) wants to study(b) is too \_\_\_stupid\_\_\_ to worry about you, idiot, not liking him(c) is too busy to waste time with pot, or chase tail all dayThe only sense in which your comment has any meaning is that it does not take University, great or small to learn, only imagination and a good teacher to answer questions.In the US today you are all bemused by failing "systems" most devised by those who do not understand the problem, wake up, and get real otherwise you will find yourself a third world country ever so soon.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244485320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Pretty cool. Although if I may play devil's advocate for a minute...<br>I live in L.A. and I've seen the community colleges here. This isn't so much an accomplishment for the child as it is a condemning of ELAC. ELAC's a joke, even by the poor standards set by the other community colleges in L.A. If you've ever been in one of those classrooms you'll see what I mean... There are potatoes smarter than the average L.A community college student.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty cool .
Although if I may play devil 's advocate for a minute...I live in L.A. and I 've seen the community colleges here .
This is n't so much an accomplishment for the child as it is a condemning of ELAC .
ELAC 's a joke , even by the poor standards set by the other community colleges in L.A. If you 've ever been in one of those classrooms you 'll see what I mean... There are potatoes smarter than the average L.A community college student .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty cool.
Although if I may play devil's advocate for a minute...I live in L.A. and I've seen the community colleges here.
This isn't so much an accomplishment for the child as it is a condemning of ELAC.
ELAC's a joke, even by the poor standards set by the other community colleges in L.A. If you've ever been in one of those classrooms you'll see what I mean... There are potatoes smarter than the average L.A community college student.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Big Deal...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244487540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I got laid at the age of 4 and got a college degree by age 14.  Beat that!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got laid at the age of 4 and got a college degree by age 14 .
Beat that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got laid at the age of 4 and got a college degree by age 14.
Beat that!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28255151</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244494440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The smaller you are, the more you will be picked on.  Skipping grades puts you next to people 1-2 years older than you and much more physically mature.  This isn't rocket science.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The smaller you are , the more you will be picked on .
Skipping grades puts you next to people 1-2 years older than you and much more physically mature .
This is n't rocket science .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The smaller you are, the more you will be picked on.
Skipping grades puts you next to people 1-2 years older than you and much more physically mature.
This isn't rocket science.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253047</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1244485440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is education tied so inextricably to socialization, though? That's the main problem... we need to find a way for kids to be able to be educated about things separately from being socialized.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is education tied so inextricably to socialization , though ?
That 's the main problem... we need to find a way for kids to be able to be educated about things separately from being socialized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is education tied so inextricably to socialization, though?
That's the main problem... we need to find a way for kids to be able to be educated about things separately from being socialized.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252435</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244483040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...because most Community Colleges cater to the 11 year old mind<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...because most Community Colleges cater to the 11 year old mind ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...because most Community Colleges cater to the 11 year old mind ;-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253493</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>martas</author>
	<datestamp>1244487960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm actually kind of sick of this argument. Yes, social development is important. Yes, it's hard enough for geeks to fit in without the age difference. Yes, looking down on people is generally a bad idea, including looking down on people who are dumber than you are. But is it any better to look down on someone because they're not good at sports? Because they can't be a cheerleader? Because they aren't as funny/charming/interesting in social settings? Because they can't get laid? Etc.<br> <br>

I agree that completely disregarding social development isn't a good idea, because it can lead to sad and, in some cases, tragically self-destructive lives due to social isolation. But as things stand today, I think people tend to pay a disproportionate amount of attention to social over academic development. Now, don't get me wrong, I'd probably have made the same decision as you mom did, because I wouldn't want my kids to be miserable. And, because of this, everyone is stuck in this Nash equilibrium, where not enough people make non-traditional choices for their kids. Until this changes, quarterbacks will epitomize happiness and success, and geeks will hide in their bedrooms/dorm rooms for fear of not being accepted by the "cool kids".</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm actually kind of sick of this argument .
Yes , social development is important .
Yes , it 's hard enough for geeks to fit in without the age difference .
Yes , looking down on people is generally a bad idea , including looking down on people who are dumber than you are .
But is it any better to look down on someone because they 're not good at sports ?
Because they ca n't be a cheerleader ?
Because they are n't as funny/charming/interesting in social settings ?
Because they ca n't get laid ?
Etc . I agree that completely disregarding social development is n't a good idea , because it can lead to sad and , in some cases , tragically self-destructive lives due to social isolation .
But as things stand today , I think people tend to pay a disproportionate amount of attention to social over academic development .
Now , do n't get me wrong , I 'd probably have made the same decision as you mom did , because I would n't want my kids to be miserable .
And , because of this , everyone is stuck in this Nash equilibrium , where not enough people make non-traditional choices for their kids .
Until this changes , quarterbacks will epitomize happiness and success , and geeks will hide in their bedrooms/dorm rooms for fear of not being accepted by the " cool kids " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm actually kind of sick of this argument.
Yes, social development is important.
Yes, it's hard enough for geeks to fit in without the age difference.
Yes, looking down on people is generally a bad idea, including looking down on people who are dumber than you are.
But is it any better to look down on someone because they're not good at sports?
Because they can't be a cheerleader?
Because they aren't as funny/charming/interesting in social settings?
Because they can't get laid?
Etc. 

I agree that completely disregarding social development isn't a good idea, because it can lead to sad and, in some cases, tragically self-destructive lives due to social isolation.
But as things stand today, I think people tend to pay a disproportionate amount of attention to social over academic development.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'd probably have made the same decision as you mom did, because I wouldn't want my kids to be miserable.
And, because of this, everyone is stuck in this Nash equilibrium, where not enough people make non-traditional choices for their kids.
Until this changes, quarterbacks will epitomize happiness and success, and geeks will hide in their bedrooms/dorm rooms for fear of not being accepted by the "cool kids".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253939</id>
	<title>budget concerns</title>
	<author>Tim4444</author>
	<datestamp>1244489640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a trial program for cutting costs. Handing out PhD's to 11 year olds will let California get rid of all those expensive underperforming middle schools and high schools.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a trial program for cutting costs .
Handing out PhD 's to 11 year olds will let California get rid of all those expensive underperforming middle schools and high schools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a trial program for cutting costs.
Handing out PhD's to 11 year olds will let California get rid of all those expensive underperforming middle schools and high schools.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28259793</id>
	<title>Re:Blaming the student for being ignorant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244471280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No this is Exactly Ass Backward.</p><p>Students vary hugely in ability and comprehension, and nowhere is this more clear than in Math. The Math that is taught in High School is taught from a perverted dummed down aspect which is guaranteed to destroy real ability except for the bright enough to see it as the fiasco that it is.</p><p>The whole syllabus and presentation is crazy so why are we surprised, for example, that most kids don't realise that Goedel's theorem and the Turing halting problem are the same, or they have problems with Tensor Algebra, or Heisenberg uncertainty.</p><p>The problem is that stupid assholes are now in the vocal majority and pontificate about social issues and how they would have problems going to university younger. The ostensible problem is that they would get caught smoking pot, or getting into a (boys|girls) pants. Let me tell you from practical experience that bright kids can think, chew gum, and fuck at the same time.</p><p>The real need is to take an objective view of a system that purports to take 14+ years to graduate a University Batchelor, this is about 3 times too much, and if anyone survives the process rational, sane, and able to contribute to progress I would be very surprised.</p><p>Both Einstein and Pascal made major contributions by the time they were 17, and your Teacher's Unions, Educators and the Federal Government need to explain why NO fundamental contribution has been made by a young person in more than 80 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No this is Exactly Ass Backward.Students vary hugely in ability and comprehension , and nowhere is this more clear than in Math .
The Math that is taught in High School is taught from a perverted dummed down aspect which is guaranteed to destroy real ability except for the bright enough to see it as the fiasco that it is.The whole syllabus and presentation is crazy so why are we surprised , for example , that most kids do n't realise that Goedel 's theorem and the Turing halting problem are the same , or they have problems with Tensor Algebra , or Heisenberg uncertainty.The problem is that stupid assholes are now in the vocal majority and pontificate about social issues and how they would have problems going to university younger .
The ostensible problem is that they would get caught smoking pot , or getting into a ( boys | girls ) pants .
Let me tell you from practical experience that bright kids can think , chew gum , and fuck at the same time.The real need is to take an objective view of a system that purports to take 14 + years to graduate a University Batchelor , this is about 3 times too much , and if anyone survives the process rational , sane , and able to contribute to progress I would be very surprised.Both Einstein and Pascal made major contributions by the time they were 17 , and your Teacher 's Unions , Educators and the Federal Government need to explain why NO fundamental contribution has been made by a young person in more than 80 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No this is Exactly Ass Backward.Students vary hugely in ability and comprehension, and nowhere is this more clear than in Math.
The Math that is taught in High School is taught from a perverted dummed down aspect which is guaranteed to destroy real ability except for the bright enough to see it as the fiasco that it is.The whole syllabus and presentation is crazy so why are we surprised, for example, that most kids don't realise that Goedel's theorem and the Turing halting problem are the same, or they have problems with Tensor Algebra, or Heisenberg uncertainty.The problem is that stupid assholes are now in the vocal majority and pontificate about social issues and how they would have problems going to university younger.
The ostensible problem is that they would get caught smoking pot, or getting into a (boys|girls) pants.
Let me tell you from practical experience that bright kids can think, chew gum, and fuck at the same time.The real need is to take an objective view of a system that purports to take 14+ years to graduate a University Batchelor, this is about 3 times too much, and if anyone survives the process rational, sane, and able to contribute to progress I would be very surprised.Both Einstein and Pascal made major contributions by the time they were 17, and your Teacher's Unions, Educators and the Federal Government need to explain why NO fundamental contribution has been made by a young person in more than 80 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254217</id>
	<title>Michael Kearney</title>
	<author>Theovon</author>
	<datestamp>1244490840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Turns out, I'm "related" to Michael Kearney, indirectly through two marriages.  My parents have met him.</p><p>(And my hair dresser's roommate's grandmother's bingo partner's boyfriend once sat next to Steve Jobs in an airport during a layover.  That makes me special too.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Turns out , I 'm " related " to Michael Kearney , indirectly through two marriages .
My parents have met him .
( And my hair dresser 's roommate 's grandmother 's bingo partner 's boyfriend once sat next to Steve Jobs in an airport during a layover .
That makes me special too .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turns out, I'm "related" to Michael Kearney, indirectly through two marriages.
My parents have met him.
(And my hair dresser's roommate's grandmother's bingo partner's boyfriend once sat next to Steve Jobs in an airport during a layover.
That makes me special too.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253237</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>iamhigh</author>
	<datestamp>1244486520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>MENSA requires an IQ in the top 2\%.  I am a member, and trust me, that does not make a genius.  A true "genius" would probably be in the Triple Nine club (99.9 percentile).  But many people in either of these, are as regular as you and I, as dumb as your neighbor that never picks up his garbage cans, or as crazy as the cat lady down the street.  Intelligence has pretty much zero affect on a person's successes or happiness.  <a href="http://riothouse.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/happiness-intelligence-lisasimpson.jpg" title="wordpress.com">In fact I made a chart about it.  I make a lot of charts.</a> [wordpress.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>MENSA requires an IQ in the top 2 \ % .
I am a member , and trust me , that does not make a genius .
A true " genius " would probably be in the Triple Nine club ( 99.9 percentile ) .
But many people in either of these , are as regular as you and I , as dumb as your neighbor that never picks up his garbage cans , or as crazy as the cat lady down the street .
Intelligence has pretty much zero affect on a person 's successes or happiness .
In fact I made a chart about it .
I make a lot of charts .
[ wordpress.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MENSA requires an IQ in the top 2\%.
I am a member, and trust me, that does not make a genius.
A true "genius" would probably be in the Triple Nine club (99.9 percentile).
But many people in either of these, are as regular as you and I, as dumb as your neighbor that never picks up his garbage cans, or as crazy as the cat lady down the street.
Intelligence has pretty much zero affect on a person's successes or happiness.
In fact I made a chart about it.
I make a lot of charts.
[wordpress.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28254569</id>
	<title>Re:Blaming the student for being ignorant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244492400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Daniel Judge, Cavalin's statistics professor says, "Most students think that things should be harder than they are and they put these mental blocks in front of them and they make things harder than they should be.</p></div><p>I've heard it before. <i>It's not the teacher's inability to teach, but it is the student's fault</i>.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>...I would also prefer to see professor Daniel Judge fired from his job for his inability to teach students.</p></div><p>You vastly underestimate the difficulty of teaching statistics to the typical community college student.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Daniel Judge , Cavalin 's statistics professor says , " Most students think that things should be harder than they are and they put these mental blocks in front of them and they make things harder than they should be.I 've heard it before .
It 's not the teacher 's inability to teach , but it is the student 's fault .
......I would also prefer to see professor Daniel Judge fired from his job for his inability to teach students.You vastly underestimate the difficulty of teaching statistics to the typical community college student .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Daniel Judge, Cavalin's statistics professor says, "Most students think that things should be harder than they are and they put these mental blocks in front of them and they make things harder than they should be.I've heard it before.
It's not the teacher's inability to teach, but it is the student's fault.
......I would also prefer to see professor Daniel Judge fired from his job for his inability to teach students.You vastly underestimate the difficulty of teaching statistics to the typical community college student.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28255625</id>
	<title>Well there was this guy....</title>
	<author>cheap.computer</author>
	<datestamp>1244452500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa\_Ramanujan" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa\_Ramanujan</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa \ _Ramanujan [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa\_Ramanujan [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28255171</id>
	<title>Re:And was never heard from again. . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244494500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>choke on a dick, nub</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>choke on a dick , nub</tokentext>
<sentencetext>choke on a dick, nub</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28262315</id>
	<title>Offering to humanity?</title>
	<author>Optimus6128</author>
	<datestamp>1244490960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He doesn't like videogames because he says they offer nothing to humanity, yet he wants to be an actor?</p><p>And since when all we do has to do anything with offering something to humanity? I think we want to say that it is so, they call you an egoist if you deny this, or sometimes it's a byproduct of that, but it's all personal motives for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He does n't like videogames because he says they offer nothing to humanity , yet he wants to be an actor ? And since when all we do has to do anything with offering something to humanity ?
I think we want to say that it is so , they call you an egoist if you deny this , or sometimes it 's a byproduct of that , but it 's all personal motives for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He doesn't like videogames because he says they offer nothing to humanity, yet he wants to be an actor?And since when all we do has to do anything with offering something to humanity?
I think we want to say that it is so, they call you an egoist if you deny this, or sometimes it's a byproduct of that, but it's all personal motives for me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252227</id>
	<title>Re:Selection unfairness.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244482320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not sure which kind of high school you went to exactly, but where I come from most people tend to finish it in 4 years...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure which kind of high school you went to exactly , but where I come from most people tend to finish it in 4 years.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure which kind of high school you went to exactly, but where I come from most people tend to finish it in 4 years...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252351</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>dread</author>
	<datestamp>1244482800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Our social peers? Allow me to laugh derisively. Ha. Ha. Ha.</p><p>Being different in school SUCKS ASS. At least in college people are sufficiently grown up to not be assholes 100 percent of the time.</p><p>Social peers is all to often a nice waying of saying "hang out with the half wits". There is a lot of value being put on "functioning well in groups" that for certain people mean they get to learn that they really don't want to be part of any group that they haven't selected for themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Our social peers ?
Allow me to laugh derisively .
Ha. Ha .
Ha.Being different in school SUCKS ASS .
At least in college people are sufficiently grown up to not be assholes 100 percent of the time.Social peers is all to often a nice waying of saying " hang out with the half wits " .
There is a lot of value being put on " functioning well in groups " that for certain people mean they get to learn that they really do n't want to be part of any group that they have n't selected for themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our social peers?
Allow me to laugh derisively.
Ha. Ha.
Ha.Being different in school SUCKS ASS.
At least in college people are sufficiently grown up to not be assholes 100 percent of the time.Social peers is all to often a nice waying of saying "hang out with the half wits".
There is a lot of value being put on "functioning well in groups" that for certain people mean they get to learn that they really don't want to be part of any group that they haven't selected for themselves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252545</id>
	<title>This is in direct contrast to Einstien</title>
	<author>TheHawke</author>
	<datestamp>1244483340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Albert:<br>Tried to gain admittance to college several times.<br>It took over a dozen papers (including the photon concept) for him to gain admittance to college.<br>He intensely disliked rote learning, clashing with instructors and administrators over it.<br>Had a reputation to goof off (He was actually having some lovely brainstorms, one storm on space-time coming to him as he was riding a bus.)<br>Was a ladies man (They really wigged out when he broke out his violin).</p><p>The kid had better get used to failure; poor Albert was rife with it throughout his life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Albert : Tried to gain admittance to college several times.It took over a dozen papers ( including the photon concept ) for him to gain admittance to college.He intensely disliked rote learning , clashing with instructors and administrators over it.Had a reputation to goof off ( He was actually having some lovely brainstorms , one storm on space-time coming to him as he was riding a bus .
) Was a ladies man ( They really wigged out when he broke out his violin ) .The kid had better get used to failure ; poor Albert was rife with it throughout his life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Albert:Tried to gain admittance to college several times.It took over a dozen papers (including the photon concept) for him to gain admittance to college.He intensely disliked rote learning, clashing with instructors and administrators over it.Had a reputation to goof off (He was actually having some lovely brainstorms, one storm on space-time coming to him as he was riding a bus.
)Was a ladies man (They really wigged out when he broke out his violin).The kid had better get used to failure; poor Albert was rife with it throughout his life.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252815</id>
	<title>Re:Community college?</title>
	<author>diskofish</author>
	<datestamp>1244484360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would say the difficult of a two year school compares to the difficultly of the first two years of a four year school.  I went to a respected private school and found the quality of  some classes to be below that of classes at community colleges and state run schools.  It really depends a lot on the teacher and the curriculum in the course.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would say the difficult of a two year school compares to the difficultly of the first two years of a four year school .
I went to a respected private school and found the quality of some classes to be below that of classes at community colleges and state run schools .
It really depends a lot on the teacher and the curriculum in the course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would say the difficult of a two year school compares to the difficultly of the first two years of a four year school.
I went to a respected private school and found the quality of  some classes to be below that of classes at community colleges and state run schools.
It really depends a lot on the teacher and the curriculum in the course.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28262869</id>
	<title>Re:Games Are a "Waste of Time"</title>
	<author>TheoMurpse</author>
	<datestamp>1244540700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>What he's said is perfectly rational and doesn't fit in with what you've said.</p><p>The kid said it's a waste of time <b>playing</b> video games. Obviously playing games does not help humanity. However, he implies that <b>making</b> movies is. Martial arts (again, an art people can enjoy watching--I sure do) and scuba (enabling study and photography, another art) are similar to making movies.</p><p>The distinction is that playing video games is not productive for society. <b>Making</b> them is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What he 's said is perfectly rational and does n't fit in with what you 've said.The kid said it 's a waste of time playing video games .
Obviously playing games does not help humanity .
However , he implies that making movies is .
Martial arts ( again , an art people can enjoy watching--I sure do ) and scuba ( enabling study and photography , another art ) are similar to making movies.The distinction is that playing video games is not productive for society .
Making them is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What he's said is perfectly rational and doesn't fit in with what you've said.The kid said it's a waste of time playing video games.
Obviously playing games does not help humanity.
However, he implies that making movies is.
Martial arts (again, an art people can enjoy watching--I sure do) and scuba (enabling study and photography, another art) are similar to making movies.The distinction is that playing video games is not productive for society.
Making them is.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28259757</id>
	<title>Re:Not a genius? He probably is.</title>
	<author>mqduck</author>
	<datestamp>1244471100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I thought genius was defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile or higher.</p></div><p>Defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile according to who? The word "genius" is a lot older than IQ tests.</p><p>(and IQ is a bullshit concept anyway, but that's another matter. *throws away karma*)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought genius was defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile or higher.Defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile according to who ?
The word " genius " is a lot older than IQ tests .
( and IQ is a bullshit concept anyway , but that 's another matter .
* throws away karma * )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought genius was defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile or higher.Defined as something like an IQ in the 98th percentile according to who?
The word "genius" is a lot older than IQ tests.
(and IQ is a bullshit concept anyway, but that's another matter.
*throws away karma*)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252883</id>
	<title>Re:And was never heard from again. . .</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1244484660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>"logically and by all reason they should succeed"?!? That's bullshit. The ability to do well on IQ tests has never been a valid predictor of success in life. What is the most important predictor of success? Being born to the right parents! Failing that, the ability to delude yourself into thinking you are the best is one of most important ingredients to success. Making the right friends also helps, which is why getting into a "good" school is so important. Your sense of disappointment comes from bad assumptions; you assumed that since academics were so easy for you to master, that everything else in life would be also. It doesn't work that way. Life isn't fair; persistence is frequently rewarded more than excellence, and bullshit is frequently rewarded more than anything else. For many important questions there is no one "right" answer like there was in school.<br> <br>That being said, you can still make a difference in the world. A "civil servant" who actually cares about helping other people is an anomaly; try your best to be one. Try not to get frustrated by the fact that for most people it is more about CYA than getting tangible results. And, take it easy on yourself... you're only human after all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" logically and by all reason they should succeed " ? ! ?
That 's bullshit .
The ability to do well on IQ tests has never been a valid predictor of success in life .
What is the most important predictor of success ?
Being born to the right parents !
Failing that , the ability to delude yourself into thinking you are the best is one of most important ingredients to success .
Making the right friends also helps , which is why getting into a " good " school is so important .
Your sense of disappointment comes from bad assumptions ; you assumed that since academics were so easy for you to master , that everything else in life would be also .
It does n't work that way .
Life is n't fair ; persistence is frequently rewarded more than excellence , and bullshit is frequently rewarded more than anything else .
For many important questions there is no one " right " answer like there was in school .
That being said , you can still make a difference in the world .
A " civil servant " who actually cares about helping other people is an anomaly ; try your best to be one .
Try not to get frustrated by the fact that for most people it is more about CYA than getting tangible results .
And , take it easy on yourself... you 're only human after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"logically and by all reason they should succeed"?!?
That's bullshit.
The ability to do well on IQ tests has never been a valid predictor of success in life.
What is the most important predictor of success?
Being born to the right parents!
Failing that, the ability to delude yourself into thinking you are the best is one of most important ingredients to success.
Making the right friends also helps, which is why getting into a "good" school is so important.
Your sense of disappointment comes from bad assumptions; you assumed that since academics were so easy for you to master, that everything else in life would be also.
It doesn't work that way.
Life isn't fair; persistence is frequently rewarded more than excellence, and bullshit is frequently rewarded more than anything else.
For many important questions there is no one "right" answer like there was in school.
That being said, you can still make a difference in the world.
A "civil servant" who actually cares about helping other people is an anomaly; try your best to be one.
Try not to get frustrated by the fact that for most people it is more about CYA than getting tangible results.
And, take it easy on yourself... you're only human after all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253625</id>
	<title>Re:Aspergers</title>
	<author>Belial6</author>
	<datestamp>1244488500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/video/special\_boy\_with\_freakishly\_large" title="theonion.com">The Onion</a> [theonion.com] is supposed to be comedy.  Your not supposed to take is seriously.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , The Onion [ theonion.com ] is supposed to be comedy .
Your not supposed to take is seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, The Onion [theonion.com] is supposed to be comedy.
Your not supposed to take is seriously.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253719</id>
	<title>bye bye middle schools hello college</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244488860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it just proves how messed up our schools are. I remember a lot of bright kids growing up trying to ask complex things and teachers just telling them to go sit in the corner and have a cookie. Young kids are sponges who should be encouraged</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it just proves how messed up our schools are .
I remember a lot of bright kids growing up trying to ask complex things and teachers just telling them to go sit in the corner and have a cookie .
Young kids are sponges who should be encouraged</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it just proves how messed up our schools are.
I remember a lot of bright kids growing up trying to ask complex things and teachers just telling them to go sit in the corner and have a cookie.
Young kids are sponges who should be encouraged</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28252301</id>
	<title>Re:oh yeah?</title>
	<author>root\_42</author>
	<datestamp>1244482560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Think you're smart, kid? Well, I can still kick your ass at te<b>a</b>therball. (I hope.)</p></div></blockquote><p>

Certainly you can't beat him at spelling...</p></div>
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<tokenext>Think you 're smart , kid ?
Well , I can still kick your ass at teatherball .
( I hope .
) Certainly you ca n't beat him at spelling.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think you're smart, kid?
Well, I can still kick your ass at teatherball.
(I hope.
)

Certainly you can't beat him at spelling...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253479</id>
	<title>Re:And was never heard from again. . .</title>
	<author>frallon</author>
	<datestamp>1244487840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a path similar to the one you described - gifted high school, Ivy League college, burnout. Though instead of "civil service" I have ended up in a dilbert corporate cubicle job to pay the mortgage.</p><p>I hope this boy doesn't get Lost in the Meritocracy like I did.</p><p>Check out:<br><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200501/kirn" title="theatlantic.com" rel="nofollow">Lost in the Meritocracy - The Atlantic (January/February 2005)</a> [theatlantic.com]</p><p><br>Lost in the Meritocracy: The Undereducation of an Overachiever by Walter Kirn</p><p>--<br>I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom.<br>General George S. Patton</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a path similar to the one you described - gifted high school , Ivy League college , burnout .
Though instead of " civil service " I have ended up in a dilbert corporate cubicle job to pay the mortgage.I hope this boy does n't get Lost in the Meritocracy like I did.Check out : Lost in the Meritocracy - The Atlantic ( January/February 2005 ) [ theatlantic.com ] Lost in the Meritocracy : The Undereducation of an Overachiever by Walter Kirn--I do n't measure a man 's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom.General George S. Patton</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a path similar to the one you described - gifted high school, Ivy League college, burnout.
Though instead of "civil service" I have ended up in a dilbert corporate cubicle job to pay the mortgage.I hope this boy doesn't get Lost in the Meritocracy like I did.Check out:Lost in the Meritocracy - The Atlantic (January/February 2005) [theatlantic.com]Lost in the Meritocracy: The Undereducation of an Overachiever by Walter Kirn--I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom.General George S. Patton</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Do wunderkinds produce more for society?</title>
	<author>Optimus6128</author>
	<datestamp>1244579220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I constantly do the same question.</p><p>Sometimes we see examples of great scientists who are assumed to had Asperger's. They say that many great artists were supposed to be depressive once in their life. This doesn't mean that all people on the autistic spectrum or all depressive or all obsessive compulsive will be well known geniouses at a later age. Maybe most of them will be lost in oblivion and only very few of them will excel. At least considering what the society defines as "excelling". Maybe some of them are content with their simple life and they never wished to become known or excel in science. Others might be depressed because they'd wish to but never reached that position. A lot of different cases and lot of different variables into play.</p><p>Many wonderkids appear in news tabloids but do we know what is their life story after twenty or fifty year? I would like to look back at similar stories in newspapers from the fifties and find out what are those children doing today. This would be interesting..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I constantly do the same question.Sometimes we see examples of great scientists who are assumed to had Asperger 's .
They say that many great artists were supposed to be depressive once in their life .
This does n't mean that all people on the autistic spectrum or all depressive or all obsessive compulsive will be well known geniouses at a later age .
Maybe most of them will be lost in oblivion and only very few of them will excel .
At least considering what the society defines as " excelling " .
Maybe some of them are content with their simple life and they never wished to become known or excel in science .
Others might be depressed because they 'd wish to but never reached that position .
A lot of different cases and lot of different variables into play.Many wonderkids appear in news tabloids but do we know what is their life story after twenty or fifty year ?
I would like to look back at similar stories in newspapers from the fifties and find out what are those children doing today .
This would be interesting. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I constantly do the same question.Sometimes we see examples of great scientists who are assumed to had Asperger's.
They say that many great artists were supposed to be depressive once in their life.
This doesn't mean that all people on the autistic spectrum or all depressive or all obsessive compulsive will be well known geniouses at a later age.
Maybe most of them will be lost in oblivion and only very few of them will excel.
At least considering what the society defines as "excelling".
Maybe some of them are content with their simple life and they never wished to become known or excel in science.
Others might be depressed because they'd wish to but never reached that position.
A lot of different cases and lot of different variables into play.Many wonderkids appear in news tabloids but do we know what is their life story after twenty or fifty year?
I would like to look back at similar stories in newspapers from the fifties and find out what are those children doing today.
This would be interesting..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28257837</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>laddiebuck</author>
	<datestamp>1244460300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I graduated early and went to University about 4 years early. I was the only non-adult for a few years in my classes, but it was fine. 90\% of the people I met were half-wits and the other 10\% didn't mind that I was young. I ceased to notice the age difference in my first year. I'm glad I missed out on those 4 years of pre-college school.

Social skills, like mental skills, are in the mind. They can't be accelerated in the same way as academic development, because you can't cram them like you might some academic subject. Nonetheless they can be learnt as quickly as you like. I suppose what's wanting is a little imagination and conscious effort to learn them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I graduated early and went to University about 4 years early .
I was the only non-adult for a few years in my classes , but it was fine .
90 \ % of the people I met were half-wits and the other 10 \ % did n't mind that I was young .
I ceased to notice the age difference in my first year .
I 'm glad I missed out on those 4 years of pre-college school .
Social skills , like mental skills , are in the mind .
They ca n't be accelerated in the same way as academic development , because you ca n't cram them like you might some academic subject .
Nonetheless they can be learnt as quickly as you like .
I suppose what 's wanting is a little imagination and conscious effort to learn them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I graduated early and went to University about 4 years early.
I was the only non-adult for a few years in my classes, but it was fine.
90\% of the people I met were half-wits and the other 10\% didn't mind that I was young.
I ceased to notice the age difference in my first year.
I'm glad I missed out on those 4 years of pre-college school.
Social skills, like mental skills, are in the mind.
They can't be accelerated in the same way as academic development, because you can't cram them like you might some academic subject.
Nonetheless they can be learnt as quickly as you like.
I suppose what's wanting is a little imagination and conscious effort to learn them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_1444215.28253407</id>
	<title>Re:Also in some cases</title>
	<author>Nocturnal Deviant</author>
	<datestamp>1244487420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with your logic is that each case is extremely situational.</p><p>I graduated at 16(i wont even say im half as smart as that kid at 11...i was probably still wetting the bed at 11..well that's a bit of an exaggeration but you get the gist), i was testing 11th grade at 11 years old, I can openly say, had i not been skipped ahead, i would have turned out much for the worse, the problem when you dont let children bloom in their natural environment(be it gifted or special classes) they tend to not be nearly as efficient.</p><p>Then again was in no way socially mature enough to be skipped, but what it came down to is more of a crash course in social interaction. In the short run it did have its bad effects(IE: imagine being half the size of a normal freshman on senior beat down day.), but it also taught me how to interact much better with those older than me, and when you apply for a job at a younger age, more than likely your boss is going to be at least 10 years your senior, and being able to interact on the same level can make a relatively large difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with your logic is that each case is extremely situational.I graduated at 16 ( i wont even say im half as smart as that kid at 11...i was probably still wetting the bed at 11..well that 's a bit of an exaggeration but you get the gist ) , i was testing 11th grade at 11 years old , I can openly say , had i not been skipped ahead , i would have turned out much for the worse , the problem when you dont let children bloom in their natural environment ( be it gifted or special classes ) they tend to not be nearly as efficient.Then again was in no way socially mature enough to be skipped , but what it came down to is more of a crash course in social interaction .
In the short run it did have its bad effects ( IE : imagine being half the size of a normal freshman on senior beat down day .
) , but it also taught me how to interact much better with those older than me , and when you apply for a job at a younger age , more than likely your boss is going to be at least 10 years your senior , and being able to interact on the same level can make a relatively large difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with your logic is that each case is extremely situational.I graduated at 16(i wont even say im half as smart as that kid at 11...i was probably still wetting the bed at 11..well that's a bit of an exaggeration but you get the gist), i was testing 11th grade at 11 years old, I can openly say, had i not been skipped ahead, i would have turned out much for the worse, the problem when you dont let children bloom in their natural environment(be it gifted or special classes) they tend to not be nearly as efficient.Then again was in no way socially mature enough to be skipped, but what it came down to is more of a crash course in social interaction.
In the short run it did have its bad effects(IE: imagine being half the size of a normal freshman on senior beat down day.
), but it also taught me how to interact much better with those older than me, and when you apply for a job at a younger age, more than likely your boss is going to be at least 10 years your senior, and being able to interact on the same level can make a relatively large difference.</sentencetext>
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