<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_08_056259</id>
	<title>Japanese ESRB Bans Rape Depiction In Games</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1244484360000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"The Ethics Organization of Computer Software (EOCS), now 233 companies strong, and met in Tokyo yesterday to <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&amp;sid=a3gBfeGzd9aE&amp;refer=japan">ban a controversial title from Japan known as RapeLay</a>, an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eroge">eroge</a> game (something much more adult than the more popular <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galge">dating simulators</a>).  It's gotten a lot of press as reviewers have noted at one point the player must force sex on a 12-year-old.  More importantly, the large ($353 million annually) adult game industry in Japan will now need to stay away from rape in their games if they wish to remain a member of EOCS.  RapeLay seems to be available on Amazon's UK and JP sites, sparking outrage and causing a former US Ambassador to Japan to write an editorial criticizing Japan, saying, 'Only Japan allows people to possess these hideous images without penalty.  Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography. Is it not time for Japan to find a way to punish the guilty?'  Singapore's Straits Times has more details, pointing out that <a href="http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking\%2BNews/Tech\%2Band\%2BScience/Story/STIStory\_386353.html">it's still not illegal to possess these materials in Japan</a>.  We <a href="//games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/11/164250&amp;tid=153">discussed this and other games last month</a> in an editorial."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " The Ethics Organization of Computer Software ( EOCS ) , now 233 companies strong , and met in Tokyo yesterday to ban a controversial title from Japan known as RapeLay , an eroge game ( something much more adult than the more popular dating simulators ) .
It 's gotten a lot of press as reviewers have noted at one point the player must force sex on a 12-year-old .
More importantly , the large ( $ 353 million annually ) adult game industry in Japan will now need to stay away from rape in their games if they wish to remain a member of EOCS .
RapeLay seems to be available on Amazon 's UK and JP sites , sparking outrage and causing a former US Ambassador to Japan to write an editorial criticizing Japan , saying , 'Only Japan allows people to possess these hideous images without penalty .
Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography .
Is it not time for Japan to find a way to punish the guilty ?
' Singapore 's Straits Times has more details , pointing out that it 's still not illegal to possess these materials in Japan .
We discussed this and other games last month in an editorial .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "The Ethics Organization of Computer Software (EOCS), now 233 companies strong, and met in Tokyo yesterday to ban a controversial title from Japan known as RapeLay, an eroge game (something much more adult than the more popular dating simulators).
It's gotten a lot of press as reviewers have noted at one point the player must force sex on a 12-year-old.
More importantly, the large ($353 million annually) adult game industry in Japan will now need to stay away from rape in their games if they wish to remain a member of EOCS.
RapeLay seems to be available on Amazon's UK and JP sites, sparking outrage and causing a former US Ambassador to Japan to write an editorial criticizing Japan, saying, 'Only Japan allows people to possess these hideous images without penalty.
Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography.
Is it not time for Japan to find a way to punish the guilty?
'  Singapore's Straits Times has more details, pointing out that it's still not illegal to possess these materials in Japan.
We discussed this and other games last month in an editorial.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248843</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1244459640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once you allow people to judge whether or not speech "has a purpose behind it" or "lets the truth be heard", then the people in power get to apply those definitions in whatever way they please. Better be absolute than allow holes which the government can crawl into and expand a hundredfold.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once you allow people to judge whether or not speech " has a purpose behind it " or " lets the truth be heard " , then the people in power get to apply those definitions in whatever way they please .
Better be absolute than allow holes which the government can crawl into and expand a hundredfold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once you allow people to judge whether or not speech "has a purpose behind it" or "lets the truth be heard", then the people in power get to apply those definitions in whatever way they please.
Better be absolute than allow holes which the government can crawl into and expand a hundredfold.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247891</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248601</id>
	<title>Re:cartoons are NOT "child pornography"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244456760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No children are harmed in making a cartoon.</p></div><p>This is true, but fails to account for the consequences for the prosecution of real child porn. If virtual images of child porn are allowed, a defendant can always plead that his images are not real (Photoshop, anyone?) and therefore one must prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the images depict real acts with real children. This is of course next to impossible in most cases and therefore renders the prosecution of real child porn completely ineffective. So everyone who advocates legalizing virtual child porn also advocates legalizing real child porn as a direct consequence.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No children are harmed in making a cartoon.This is true , but fails to account for the consequences for the prosecution of real child porn .
If virtual images of child porn are allowed , a defendant can always plead that his images are not real ( Photoshop , anyone ?
) and therefore one must prove , beyond reasonable doubt , that the images depict real acts with real children .
This is of course next to impossible in most cases and therefore renders the prosecution of real child porn completely ineffective .
So everyone who advocates legalizing virtual child porn also advocates legalizing real child porn as a direct consequence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No children are harmed in making a cartoon.This is true, but fails to account for the consequences for the prosecution of real child porn.
If virtual images of child porn are allowed, a defendant can always plead that his images are not real (Photoshop, anyone?
) and therefore one must prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the images depict real acts with real children.
This is of course next to impossible in most cases and therefore renders the prosecution of real child porn completely ineffective.
So everyone who advocates legalizing virtual child porn also advocates legalizing real child porn as a direct consequence.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248671</id>
	<title>Really?  Do you people read each other's comments?</title>
	<author>Valdrax</author>
	<datestamp>1244457360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm looking at this page and seeing nothing but page after page of support for a game that depicts child rape and decrying of people who object to such games a fascists and nanny-state supporters.</p><p>Seriously, when did it get so in vogue to have the kind of knee-jerk reaction against the "think of the children!" mindset that Slashdot swung all the way into the NAMBLA camp?  Are there honestly no limits in what society must condone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm looking at this page and seeing nothing but page after page of support for a game that depicts child rape and decrying of people who object to such games a fascists and nanny-state supporters.Seriously , when did it get so in vogue to have the kind of knee-jerk reaction against the " think of the children !
" mindset that Slashdot swung all the way into the NAMBLA camp ?
Are there honestly no limits in what society must condone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm looking at this page and seeing nothing but page after page of support for a game that depicts child rape and decrying of people who object to such games a fascists and nanny-state supporters.Seriously, when did it get so in vogue to have the kind of knee-jerk reaction against the "think of the children!
" mindset that Slashdot swung all the way into the NAMBLA camp?
Are there honestly no limits in what society must condone?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247605</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249327</id>
	<title>And the whales, don't forget the whales.</title>
	<author>jbssm</author>
	<datestamp>1244465220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Very well Japan. Now please stop slaughtering whales to fulfill your stupid shamanistic beliefs in natural cures and we will love you again (and while you are at it, stop using rhinoceros horn powder as well).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Very well Japan .
Now please stop slaughtering whales to fulfill your stupid shamanistic beliefs in natural cures and we will love you again ( and while you are at it , stop using rhinoceros horn powder as well ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very well Japan.
Now please stop slaughtering whales to fulfill your stupid shamanistic beliefs in natural cures and we will love you again (and while you are at it, stop using rhinoceros horn powder as well).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247903</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, makes sense</title>
	<author>Jugalator</author>
	<datestamp>1244492520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But when you get faced with more and more concrete examples of marketed, play-acted extreme violence, which keep trying to outdo each other, and which any mature, moral person apprehends as soul-deadening</p></div><p>Please show me a "soul-deadening" <i>video game</i>. Any one will do.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But when you get faced with more and more concrete examples of marketed , play-acted extreme violence , which keep trying to outdo each other , and which any mature , moral person apprehends as soul-deadeningPlease show me a " soul-deadening " video game .
Any one will do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But when you get faced with more and more concrete examples of marketed, play-acted extreme violence, which keep trying to outdo each other, and which any mature, moral person apprehends as soul-deadeningPlease show me a "soul-deadening" video game.
Any one will do.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247751</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28253279</id>
	<title>Re:Protect the innocent!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244486640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right on. Having a scary "enemy" brings more power to the government. War is good for the "economy." Love serves only the parties involved. Sex brings the feeling of satisfaction back and we all know that is bad for the retail business which exploits the gaping hole created by advertising.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right on .
Having a scary " enemy " brings more power to the government .
War is good for the " economy .
" Love serves only the parties involved .
Sex brings the feeling of satisfaction back and we all know that is bad for the retail business which exploits the gaping hole created by advertising .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right on.
Having a scary "enemy" brings more power to the government.
War is good for the "economy.
" Love serves only the parties involved.
Sex brings the feeling of satisfaction back and we all know that is bad for the retail business which exploits the gaping hole created by advertising.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28250023</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248569</id>
	<title>Re:Thank God</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244456340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's actually old story.  They did end up coming up with a self-imposed ban in reaction to that story.</p><p>Self-fulfilling prophecy at work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's actually old story .
They did end up coming up with a self-imposed ban in reaction to that story.Self-fulfilling prophecy at work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's actually old story.
They did end up coming up with a self-imposed ban in reaction to that story.Self-fulfilling prophecy at work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247689</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248215</id>
	<title>Re:And in real life...</title>
	<author>Wax\_and\_Wane</author>
	<datestamp>1244452260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While I agree with the sentiment that games don't cause people to commit crimes, in the interest of understanding the actual data for comparison - I think that those numbers actually could be explained purely as reporting bias. Japan is a very private and very male-dominated culture, which is one reason why this sort of "entertainment" would be able to flourish there in the first place. <br> <br>In America "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" which is good. In Japan they say "the tall tree catches the wind" which is bad. It is a culture that discourages letting other people know your personal problems or standing out at all.<br> <br>

The degree of ridicule and shame that a girl would face in Japan after accusing a man of rape is very much larger than in the United States. So while you could be right, I don't think people should be so quick to underestimate the difference in culture. I think it could be realistic that a huge number of rapes go unreported in Japan and you also have to consider that the definition of rape between America and Japan could be much different (date rape, spousal rape .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.etc).</htmltext>
<tokenext>While I agree with the sentiment that games do n't cause people to commit crimes , in the interest of understanding the actual data for comparison - I think that those numbers actually could be explained purely as reporting bias .
Japan is a very private and very male-dominated culture , which is one reason why this sort of " entertainment " would be able to flourish there in the first place .
In America " the squeaky wheel gets the grease " which is good .
In Japan they say " the tall tree catches the wind " which is bad .
It is a culture that discourages letting other people know your personal problems or standing out at all .
The degree of ridicule and shame that a girl would face in Japan after accusing a man of rape is very much larger than in the United States .
So while you could be right , I do n't think people should be so quick to underestimate the difference in culture .
I think it could be realistic that a huge number of rapes go unreported in Japan and you also have to consider that the definition of rape between America and Japan could be much different ( date rape , spousal rape .
.etc ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I agree with the sentiment that games don't cause people to commit crimes, in the interest of understanding the actual data for comparison - I think that those numbers actually could be explained purely as reporting bias.
Japan is a very private and very male-dominated culture, which is one reason why this sort of "entertainment" would be able to flourish there in the first place.
In America "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" which is good.
In Japan they say "the tall tree catches the wind" which is bad.
It is a culture that discourages letting other people know your personal problems or standing out at all.
The degree of ridicule and shame that a girl would face in Japan after accusing a man of rape is very much larger than in the United States.
So while you could be right, I don't think people should be so quick to underestimate the difference in culture.
I think it could be realistic that a huge number of rapes go unreported in Japan and you also have to consider that the definition of rape between America and Japan could be much different (date rape, spousal rape .
.etc).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247541</id>
	<title>Protect the innocent!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244401740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because oh no, those poor imaginary cartoon characters need judicial protection!</p><p>Won't someone think of the imaginary children?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because oh no , those poor imaginary cartoon characters need judicial protection ! Wo n't someone think of the imaginary children ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because oh no, those poor imaginary cartoon characters need judicial protection!Won't someone think of the imaginary children?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28251035</id>
	<title>You can censor all you like...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244476140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can censor all you like, but you can't change human nature.</p><p>I'll try to keep it short, and to the point.  Just like you have a weird sexual fetish (admit it, everyone has at least one fetish that they wouldn't feel comfortable telling someone about), the weirdos that get off to the idea of raping a 12 year old and forcing her to have an abortion do too, and neither one of you would have ended up NOT having that fetish had some obscure piece of porn never crossed your impressionable young minds.  It just doesn't work that way.  BUT, just like most people can quite successfully manage to suppress acting out on a fetish in an inappropriate moment, so can most weirdos.  Because, they're one and the same.</p><p>Banning anime porn is like newspeak.  Just because you remove a word from the language doesn't mean you can remove the human feeling that created the word in the first place.  If anything, banning freaky anime porn of a violent nature seems to take away from the number of things a weirdo could use to let off some steam.  It's a necessary evil.</p><p>Mind you, I think the game in question is sick.  Not only could I never get off to such a thing, but I would probably feel rather ill over the whole concept.  But I will still defend the game as a necessary evil that probably does more good than evil.  Don't send the weirdo underground, where his best chance at getting off to something would be real kiddy porn of a seriously heinous nature, rather than a really sick cartoon that someone drew with a tablet and PC.  I'd prefer to have my children live in a world where there's some weird stuff for sale, rather than a world where everyone acts like they're all normal, but just wait until the doors close and no one's watching.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can censor all you like , but you ca n't change human nature.I 'll try to keep it short , and to the point .
Just like you have a weird sexual fetish ( admit it , everyone has at least one fetish that they would n't feel comfortable telling someone about ) , the weirdos that get off to the idea of raping a 12 year old and forcing her to have an abortion do too , and neither one of you would have ended up NOT having that fetish had some obscure piece of porn never crossed your impressionable young minds .
It just does n't work that way .
BUT , just like most people can quite successfully manage to suppress acting out on a fetish in an inappropriate moment , so can most weirdos .
Because , they 're one and the same.Banning anime porn is like newspeak .
Just because you remove a word from the language does n't mean you can remove the human feeling that created the word in the first place .
If anything , banning freaky anime porn of a violent nature seems to take away from the number of things a weirdo could use to let off some steam .
It 's a necessary evil.Mind you , I think the game in question is sick .
Not only could I never get off to such a thing , but I would probably feel rather ill over the whole concept .
But I will still defend the game as a necessary evil that probably does more good than evil .
Do n't send the weirdo underground , where his best chance at getting off to something would be real kiddy porn of a seriously heinous nature , rather than a really sick cartoon that someone drew with a tablet and PC .
I 'd prefer to have my children live in a world where there 's some weird stuff for sale , rather than a world where everyone acts like they 're all normal , but just wait until the doors close and no one 's watching .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can censor all you like, but you can't change human nature.I'll try to keep it short, and to the point.
Just like you have a weird sexual fetish (admit it, everyone has at least one fetish that they wouldn't feel comfortable telling someone about), the weirdos that get off to the idea of raping a 12 year old and forcing her to have an abortion do too, and neither one of you would have ended up NOT having that fetish had some obscure piece of porn never crossed your impressionable young minds.
It just doesn't work that way.
BUT, just like most people can quite successfully manage to suppress acting out on a fetish in an inappropriate moment, so can most weirdos.
Because, they're one and the same.Banning anime porn is like newspeak.
Just because you remove a word from the language doesn't mean you can remove the human feeling that created the word in the first place.
If anything, banning freaky anime porn of a violent nature seems to take away from the number of things a weirdo could use to let off some steam.
It's a necessary evil.Mind you, I think the game in question is sick.
Not only could I never get off to such a thing, but I would probably feel rather ill over the whole concept.
But I will still defend the game as a necessary evil that probably does more good than evil.
Don't send the weirdo underground, where his best chance at getting off to something would be real kiddy porn of a seriously heinous nature, rather than a really sick cartoon that someone drew with a tablet and PC.
I'd prefer to have my children live in a world where there's some weird stuff for sale, rather than a world where everyone acts like they're all normal, but just wait until the doors close and no one's watching.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248225</id>
	<title>Re:Thank God</title>
	<author>Faylone</author>
	<datestamp>1244452260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It wasn't true when that story was posted, but it's become true since. <a href="http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/06/03/rape-eroge-really-banned/" title="sankakucomplex.com">http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/06/03/rape-eroge-really-banned/</a> [sankakucomplex.com] Also of note is that Sankaku is very NSFW.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was n't true when that story was posted , but it 's become true since .
http : //www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/06/03/rape-eroge-really-banned/ [ sankakucomplex.com ] Also of note is that Sankaku is very NSFW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wasn't true when that story was posted, but it's become true since.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/06/03/rape-eroge-really-banned/ [sankakucomplex.com] Also of note is that Sankaku is very NSFW.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247631</id>
	<title>Morals and all that jazz</title>
	<author>Idiot with a gun</author>
	<datestamp>1244402820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know, there are many routes one can go to ban violent sexual video games/porn like this, and I'm not sure if I agree with the rational involved here. More or less, everything I've heard politicians spew (appropriate verb) about this stuff is basically "It causes people to go out and rape." Much like the dodgy connection between violent video games and real life violence (anecdotal evidence non-withstanding), I don't really buy it. Especially since each individual culture seems to have entirely different responses to various social laws. As a good example, banning guns in the US causes violent crime rates to rise (see: Washington DC), but Japan has far less of an issue, where guns have more or less been illegal for civilians since WWII. (Side note: I have not checked these numbers recently. Don't bother picking them out, it's an illustration that could rapidly be replaced with another to make the same point. Forrest for the trees and all that). <br> <br>
On a different note though, one of my professors had a very good reason to ban violent pornography, without going for the correlation link (which he bought into anyways. Professors are human after all). We had just finished reading J.S. Mills' <i>On LIberty</i>, which more or less states that "The only reason to abridge a person's personal freedom is harm to others. Moral disgust is not an adequate reason to stop someone, unless if they are going to harm someone else directly or indirectly (Say, if by being an alcoholic they are incapable of parental duties, etc)." His point was, if this pornographic material spreads the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men's pleasure, which causes women to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure, fear, or general brain washing, then it must be banned. <br> <br> But, politicians aren't arguing this, because they don't actually care about freedom, they care about making it look like they're doing something in order to ensure re-election. Because 90\% of "concerned" parents in the suburbs are going to say "Rape is bad, rape games depict rape, so it must enforce rape, and this politician banning rape games must be fighting rape! Vote for him!" And we just helped him too, by the way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , there are many routes one can go to ban violent sexual video games/porn like this , and I 'm not sure if I agree with the rational involved here .
More or less , everything I 've heard politicians spew ( appropriate verb ) about this stuff is basically " It causes people to go out and rape .
" Much like the dodgy connection between violent video games and real life violence ( anecdotal evidence non-withstanding ) , I do n't really buy it .
Especially since each individual culture seems to have entirely different responses to various social laws .
As a good example , banning guns in the US causes violent crime rates to rise ( see : Washington DC ) , but Japan has far less of an issue , where guns have more or less been illegal for civilians since WWII .
( Side note : I have not checked these numbers recently .
Do n't bother picking them out , it 's an illustration that could rapidly be replaced with another to make the same point .
Forrest for the trees and all that ) .
On a different note though , one of my professors had a very good reason to ban violent pornography , without going for the correlation link ( which he bought into anyways .
Professors are human after all ) .
We had just finished reading J.S .
Mills ' On LIberty , which more or less states that " The only reason to abridge a person 's personal freedom is harm to others .
Moral disgust is not an adequate reason to stop someone , unless if they are going to harm someone else directly or indirectly ( Say , if by being an alcoholic they are incapable of parental duties , etc ) .
" His point was , if this pornographic material spreads the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men 's pleasure , which causes women to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure , fear , or general brain washing , then it must be banned .
But , politicians are n't arguing this , because they do n't actually care about freedom , they care about making it look like they 're doing something in order to ensure re-election .
Because 90 \ % of " concerned " parents in the suburbs are going to say " Rape is bad , rape games depict rape , so it must enforce rape , and this politician banning rape games must be fighting rape !
Vote for him !
" And we just helped him too , by the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, there are many routes one can go to ban violent sexual video games/porn like this, and I'm not sure if I agree with the rational involved here.
More or less, everything I've heard politicians spew (appropriate verb) about this stuff is basically "It causes people to go out and rape.
" Much like the dodgy connection between violent video games and real life violence (anecdotal evidence non-withstanding), I don't really buy it.
Especially since each individual culture seems to have entirely different responses to various social laws.
As a good example, banning guns in the US causes violent crime rates to rise (see: Washington DC), but Japan has far less of an issue, where guns have more or less been illegal for civilians since WWII.
(Side note: I have not checked these numbers recently.
Don't bother picking them out, it's an illustration that could rapidly be replaced with another to make the same point.
Forrest for the trees and all that).
On a different note though, one of my professors had a very good reason to ban violent pornography, without going for the correlation link (which he bought into anyways.
Professors are human after all).
We had just finished reading J.S.
Mills' On LIberty, which more or less states that "The only reason to abridge a person's personal freedom is harm to others.
Moral disgust is not an adequate reason to stop someone, unless if they are going to harm someone else directly or indirectly (Say, if by being an alcoholic they are incapable of parental duties, etc).
" His point was, if this pornographic material spreads the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men's pleasure, which causes women to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure, fear, or general brain washing, then it must be banned.
But, politicians aren't arguing this, because they don't actually care about freedom, they care about making it look like they're doing something in order to ensure re-election.
Because 90\% of "concerned" parents in the suburbs are going to say "Rape is bad, rape games depict rape, so it must enforce rape, and this politician banning rape games must be fighting rape!
Vote for him!
" And we just helped him too, by the way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248301</id>
	<title>Re:Rape in Hentai?!! A striking and new developeme</title>
	<author>paedobear</author>
	<datestamp>1244453100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's far more accurate to say that most of the sex in Japanese erotic media released in the US is rape. That perhaps says more about America than Japan.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's far more accurate to say that most of the sex in Japanese erotic media released in the US is rape .
That perhaps says more about America than Japan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's far more accurate to say that most of the sex in Japanese erotic media released in the US is rape.
That perhaps says more about America than Japan.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248873</id>
	<title>Re:Morals and all that jazz</title>
	<author>loufoque</author>
	<datestamp>1244459880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>His point was, if this pornographic material spreads the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men's pleasure, which causes women to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure, fear, or general brain washing, then it must be banned.</p></div></blockquote><p>If banning pornography spreads the ideology that perverts are sick and dangerous creeps, which causes perverts to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure, fear, or general brain washing, then it must be banned.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>His point was , if this pornographic material spreads the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men 's pleasure , which causes women to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure , fear , or general brain washing , then it must be banned.If banning pornography spreads the ideology that perverts are sick and dangerous creeps , which causes perverts to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure , fear , or general brain washing , then it must be banned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His point was, if this pornographic material spreads the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men's pleasure, which causes women to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure, fear, or general brain washing, then it must be banned.If banning pornography spreads the ideology that perverts are sick and dangerous creeps, which causes perverts to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure, fear, or general brain washing, then it must be banned.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247689</id>
	<title>Thank God</title>
	<author>A12m0v</author>
	<datestamp>1244403600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it is not true!<br><a href="http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/29/media-invents-eroge-ban/" title="sankakucomplex.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/29/media-invents-eroge-ban/</a> [sankakucomplex.com]</p><p>Only thing worst than a prude America, is a prude Japan!</p><p>Where will I get my rape-themed H-games and H-Anime from?</p><p>If it is ok to murder in games it should be OK to rape. Nothing wrong with it, and I have no reason to be anonymous!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it is not true ! http : //www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/29/media-invents-eroge-ban/ [ sankakucomplex.com ] Only thing worst than a prude America , is a prude Japan ! Where will I get my rape-themed H-games and H-Anime from ? If it is ok to murder in games it should be OK to rape .
Nothing wrong with it , and I have no reason to be anonymous !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it is not true!http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/29/media-invents-eroge-ban/ [sankakucomplex.com]Only thing worst than a prude America, is a prude Japan!Where will I get my rape-themed H-games and H-Anime from?If it is ok to murder in games it should be OK to rape.
Nothing wrong with it, and I have no reason to be anonymous!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248311</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, makes sense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244453220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Please show me a "soul-deadening" video game. Any one will do.</p><p>World of Warcraft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Please show me a " soul-deadening " video game .
Any one will do.World of Warcraft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Please show me a "soul-deadening" video game.
Any one will do.World of Warcraft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248049</id>
	<title>Re:And in real life...</title>
	<author>Artifakt</author>
	<datestamp>1244494140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Surely this difference is far too big to be explained purely as a reporting bias.</i></p><p>That's precisely the point - If this attitude is as prevalent in Japan as it appears from sales records for such games and for comics and print, you can't make that assumption. There's already an enormous counter-example. Several Middle Eastern and African countries have very low reported cases of rape, and a strong blame the victim cultural bias, including actually trying and punishing the victim in some cases. Independent observers have shown repeatedly that the real incidence of rape is savagely higher than reported. Read up on Somalia, Ethiopia, and Yemen, and how incredibly low their official rape reporting is compared to the literal millions of counts that are happening each year in each of those nations. Reporting biases that big and much, much larger do exist in the area of rape. It's tragic to even have to consider that a nation such as Japan might have cultural blinders as large as the ones that contribute to the African rape culture (i.e. belief that sex with virgins cures AIDS), but, especially with their historical record (Nanking), there's every reason not to rule it out.</p><p><i>It's pretty clear that giving potential rapists the ability to do so in a fictional environment where they do not hurt any real people is a good way of making them less likely to do it for real.</i></p><p>No, no it isn't. It's not all that clear whether fictional depictions defuse some of the real world potential, enhance it, or have little effect one way or the other. It's hard to show causation, and there's much argument over it. There's legitimate grounds to say even the sickest fictional stuff should be allowed unless somebody can show clear causation, or at least a high correlation. But not passing laws without clear reason is not the same as having proved there's a clear reason the law would be in defiance of facts.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely this difference is far too big to be explained purely as a reporting bias.That 's precisely the point - If this attitude is as prevalent in Japan as it appears from sales records for such games and for comics and print , you ca n't make that assumption .
There 's already an enormous counter-example .
Several Middle Eastern and African countries have very low reported cases of rape , and a strong blame the victim cultural bias , including actually trying and punishing the victim in some cases .
Independent observers have shown repeatedly that the real incidence of rape is savagely higher than reported .
Read up on Somalia , Ethiopia , and Yemen , and how incredibly low their official rape reporting is compared to the literal millions of counts that are happening each year in each of those nations .
Reporting biases that big and much , much larger do exist in the area of rape .
It 's tragic to even have to consider that a nation such as Japan might have cultural blinders as large as the ones that contribute to the African rape culture ( i.e .
belief that sex with virgins cures AIDS ) , but , especially with their historical record ( Nanking ) , there 's every reason not to rule it out.It 's pretty clear that giving potential rapists the ability to do so in a fictional environment where they do not hurt any real people is a good way of making them less likely to do it for real.No , no it is n't .
It 's not all that clear whether fictional depictions defuse some of the real world potential , enhance it , or have little effect one way or the other .
It 's hard to show causation , and there 's much argument over it .
There 's legitimate grounds to say even the sickest fictional stuff should be allowed unless somebody can show clear causation , or at least a high correlation .
But not passing laws without clear reason is not the same as having proved there 's a clear reason the law would be in defiance of facts .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely this difference is far too big to be explained purely as a reporting bias.That's precisely the point - If this attitude is as prevalent in Japan as it appears from sales records for such games and for comics and print, you can't make that assumption.
There's already an enormous counter-example.
Several Middle Eastern and African countries have very low reported cases of rape, and a strong blame the victim cultural bias, including actually trying and punishing the victim in some cases.
Independent observers have shown repeatedly that the real incidence of rape is savagely higher than reported.
Read up on Somalia, Ethiopia, and Yemen, and how incredibly low their official rape reporting is compared to the literal millions of counts that are happening each year in each of those nations.
Reporting biases that big and much, much larger do exist in the area of rape.
It's tragic to even have to consider that a nation such as Japan might have cultural blinders as large as the ones that contribute to the African rape culture (i.e.
belief that sex with virgins cures AIDS), but, especially with their historical record (Nanking), there's every reason not to rule it out.It's pretty clear that giving potential rapists the ability to do so in a fictional environment where they do not hurt any real people is a good way of making them less likely to do it for real.No, no it isn't.
It's not all that clear whether fictional depictions defuse some of the real world potential, enhance it, or have little effect one way or the other.
It's hard to show causation, and there's much argument over it.
There's legitimate grounds to say even the sickest fictional stuff should be allowed unless somebody can show clear causation, or at least a high correlation.
But not passing laws without clear reason is not the same as having proved there's a clear reason the law would be in defiance of facts.
   </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28251999</id>
	<title>Re:cartoons are NOT "child pornography"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am more disturbed by the phrase "Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography." To me, that sounds like he is saying "we have the system perfected. There is no witch hunt, we have never taken anything too far, and the least you can do is to pick up a pitchfork and join us".</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am more disturbed by the phrase " Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography .
" To me , that sounds like he is saying " we have the system perfected .
There is no witch hunt , we have never taken anything too far , and the least you can do is to pick up a pitchfork and join us " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am more disturbed by the phrase "Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography.
" To me, that sounds like he is saying "we have the system perfected.
There is no witch hunt, we have never taken anything too far, and the least you can do is to pick up a pitchfork and join us".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28252129</id>
	<title>raping robots</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>okay, what does this say about my top-secret endeavor of the production of rap(e)able robots? am i sent to destroy society and the ultimate thread to decent part of the mankind?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>okay , what does this say about my top-secret endeavor of the production of rap ( e ) able robots ?
am i sent to destroy society and the ultimate thread to decent part of the mankind ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>okay, what does this say about my top-secret endeavor of the production of rap(e)able robots?
am i sent to destroy society and the ultimate thread to decent part of the mankind?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247529</id>
	<title>Dammit Japan...</title>
	<author>ringbarer</author>
	<datestamp>1244401680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... I thought you were COOL!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... I thought you were COOL !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... I thought you were COOL!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28251881</id>
	<title>Rape is so terrible that</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1244480400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we shouldn't allow portrayal of it in any form of entertainment.</p><p>No books<br>No movies<br>No comics<br>No video games<br>No television shows</p><p>It's much worse than murder.<br>Or perhaps we shouldn't have them either.</p><p>Or if we portray it, the bad guy must never get away with it, always suffer the consequences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we should n't allow portrayal of it in any form of entertainment.No booksNo moviesNo comicsNo video gamesNo television showsIt 's much worse than murder.Or perhaps we should n't have them either.Or if we portray it , the bad guy must never get away with it , always suffer the consequences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we shouldn't allow portrayal of it in any form of entertainment.No booksNo moviesNo comicsNo video gamesNo television showsIt's much worse than murder.Or perhaps we shouldn't have them either.Or if we portray it, the bad guy must never get away with it, always suffer the consequences.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248359</id>
	<title>Re:And in real life...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244453640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reporting bias and Living out your fantasies does not add up to the difference either.</p><p>Living out your fantasies did not even begin to occur in Japan till recently. Have rape rates gone down?</p><p>Your deduction is not so clear as you perceive.</p><p>As far as reporting rates go, check out this: <a href="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri\_rap\_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita" title="nationmaster.com">http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri\_rap\_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita</a> [nationmaster.com]</p><p>Look at the countries near Japan. India? Turkey? Qatar? etc. Reporting bias is either pretty damn substantial or these countries are safe havens for women.</p><p>If anything, it is cultural and biological factors play bigger parts in these figures. Not the freedom to play video games or watch porn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reporting bias and Living out your fantasies does not add up to the difference either.Living out your fantasies did not even begin to occur in Japan till recently .
Have rape rates gone down ? Your deduction is not so clear as you perceive.As far as reporting rates go , check out this : http : //www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri \ _rap \ _percap-crime-rapes-per-capita [ nationmaster.com ] Look at the countries near Japan .
India ? Turkey ?
Qatar ? etc .
Reporting bias is either pretty damn substantial or these countries are safe havens for women.If anything , it is cultural and biological factors play bigger parts in these figures .
Not the freedom to play video games or watch porn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reporting bias and Living out your fantasies does not add up to the difference either.Living out your fantasies did not even begin to occur in Japan till recently.
Have rape rates gone down?Your deduction is not so clear as you perceive.As far as reporting rates go, check out this: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri\_rap\_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita [nationmaster.com]Look at the countries near Japan.
India? Turkey?
Qatar? etc.
Reporting bias is either pretty damn substantial or these countries are safe havens for women.If anything, it is cultural and biological factors play bigger parts in these figures.
Not the freedom to play video games or watch porn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28251543</id>
	<title>Re:No victim, no crime</title>
	<author>canajin56</author>
	<datestamp>1244478480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is actually all about the fact that it's a video game, not what it's depicting at all.  These are the same people campaigning against video game violence.  I mean, a US ambassidor complaining about how criminal this game is?  Sorry, but the US makes lots of live action movies about rape, some of it raping children.  Because it's one of women's favorite porno genera, right behind romance novels.  Big beefy burglar/pirate/apple thief/dad's friend babysitting can't resist her feminine and lustful charms, and has his way with the poor housewife/maiden/orchard owners daughter/"14 year old" (Who is a 25 year old with a giant boob job, but wearing a schoolgirl outfit, pigtails, and braces, so I guess she's 14!)  That's good healthy American porno, son!  But put any of that in game form, it's the worst thing in the world!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is actually all about the fact that it 's a video game , not what it 's depicting at all .
These are the same people campaigning against video game violence .
I mean , a US ambassidor complaining about how criminal this game is ?
Sorry , but the US makes lots of live action movies about rape , some of it raping children .
Because it 's one of women 's favorite porno genera , right behind romance novels .
Big beefy burglar/pirate/apple thief/dad 's friend babysitting ca n't resist her feminine and lustful charms , and has his way with the poor housewife/maiden/orchard owners daughter/ " 14 year old " ( Who is a 25 year old with a giant boob job , but wearing a schoolgirl outfit , pigtails , and braces , so I guess she 's 14 !
) That 's good healthy American porno , son !
But put any of that in game form , it 's the worst thing in the world !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is actually all about the fact that it's a video game, not what it's depicting at all.
These are the same people campaigning against video game violence.
I mean, a US ambassidor complaining about how criminal this game is?
Sorry, but the US makes lots of live action movies about rape, some of it raping children.
Because it's one of women's favorite porno genera, right behind romance novels.
Big beefy burglar/pirate/apple thief/dad's friend babysitting can't resist her feminine and lustful charms, and has his way with the poor housewife/maiden/orchard owners daughter/"14 year old" (Who is a 25 year old with a giant boob job, but wearing a schoolgirl outfit, pigtails, and braces, so I guess she's 14!
)  That's good healthy American porno, son!
But put any of that in game form, it's the worst thing in the world!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248653</id>
	<title>Re:WHY??????</title>
	<author>Narishma</author>
	<datestamp>1244457240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You forgot the [sarcasm] tag.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot the [ sarcasm ] tag .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot the [sarcasm] tag.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247537</id>
	<title>All I can say is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244401740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kekekekekekeke</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kekekekekekeke</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kekekekekekeke</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28250085</id>
	<title>to everyone against this ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244471040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ERSB ratings isn't a safe lock for younger people. They still be able to (and will, for sure) play this sick game.</p><p>With that in mind, put your daughter on elementary school with this game being the FOTM game within the boys. "Yeah! raping young girls on the bathroom is teh shit!!" Then you tell me how's that working out for you and your daughter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ERSB ratings is n't a safe lock for younger people .
They still be able to ( and will , for sure ) play this sick game.With that in mind , put your daughter on elementary school with this game being the FOTM game within the boys .
" Yeah ! raping young girls on the bathroom is teh shit ! !
" Then you tell me how 's that working out for you and your daughter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ERSB ratings isn't a safe lock for younger people.
They still be able to (and will, for sure) play this sick game.With that in mind, put your daughter on elementary school with this game being the FOTM game within the boys.
"Yeah! raping young girls on the bathroom is teh shit!!
" Then you tell me how's that working out for you and your daughter.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28252943</id>
	<title>you won't find right and wrong here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244484900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The important thing is that things like this generate good discussions even though a real agreement can never be drawn. Human societies and behavior is constantly in contradiction because we are not logical. Without logical basis that everyone agrees on, the game's effects on adults, children, society in general and comparisons with other games currently in place doesn't matter. The best thing to do is choose for yourself to stay away from it or not and suggest to those you care about to do the same.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The important thing is that things like this generate good discussions even though a real agreement can never be drawn .
Human societies and behavior is constantly in contradiction because we are not logical .
Without logical basis that everyone agrees on , the game 's effects on adults , children , society in general and comparisons with other games currently in place does n't matter .
The best thing to do is choose for yourself to stay away from it or not and suggest to those you care about to do the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The important thing is that things like this generate good discussions even though a real agreement can never be drawn.
Human societies and behavior is constantly in contradiction because we are not logical.
Without logical basis that everyone agrees on, the game's effects on adults, children, society in general and comparisons with other games currently in place doesn't matter.
The best thing to do is choose for yourself to stay away from it or not and suggest to those you care about to do the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247817</id>
	<title>failzor5!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244491560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>were compounded BSDI is also dead,</htmltext>
<tokenext>were compounded BSDI is also dead,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>were compounded BSDI is also dead,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247639</id>
	<title>They can't ban hentai rape gmaes!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244402880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>They must make up, like, 74\% percent of the Japanese economy!</htmltext>
<tokenext>They must make up , like , 74 \ % percent of the Japanese economy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They must make up, like, 74\% percent of the Japanese economy!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248523</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Virak</author>
	<datestamp>1244455800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But what does rape simulation appease? It's not sex, that's what porn is for.</p></div></blockquote><p>But what does murder simulation appease? It's not violence, that's what action games are for.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But what does rape simulation appease ?
It 's not sex , that 's what porn is for.But what does murder simulation appease ?
It 's not violence , that 's what action games are for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what does rape simulation appease?
It's not sex, that's what porn is for.But what does murder simulation appease?
It's not violence, that's what action games are for.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28253761</id>
	<title>Re:cartoons are NOT "child pornography"</title>
	<author>aaandre</author>
	<datestamp>1244488980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well said.</p><p>Pushing censorship has clear goals: to give one the power to dictate another's information flow and ultimately thoughts; and, to incriminate large amounts of people and thus give one power over their freedom, lives, income.</p><p>The idea behind such intiatives is to mandate and implement a method for censorship. The reason does not matter. Once we have that, especially for the web, "inconvenient" websites will start getting labeled with "hate speech," "sex" etc. and disappear from the map for a lot of non-geeks. Just look at netnanny and websense, it's already happening.</p><p>China does it, and I think governments from all over the world are watching and hoping and learning.</p><p>Now, who exactly is trying to put their hands on your thoughts, and take your freedom away?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well said.Pushing censorship has clear goals : to give one the power to dictate another 's information flow and ultimately thoughts ; and , to incriminate large amounts of people and thus give one power over their freedom , lives , income.The idea behind such intiatives is to mandate and implement a method for censorship .
The reason does not matter .
Once we have that , especially for the web , " inconvenient " websites will start getting labeled with " hate speech , " " sex " etc .
and disappear from the map for a lot of non-geeks .
Just look at netnanny and websense , it 's already happening.China does it , and I think governments from all over the world are watching and hoping and learning.Now , who exactly is trying to put their hands on your thoughts , and take your freedom away ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well said.Pushing censorship has clear goals: to give one the power to dictate another's information flow and ultimately thoughts; and, to incriminate large amounts of people and thus give one power over their freedom, lives, income.The idea behind such intiatives is to mandate and implement a method for censorship.
The reason does not matter.
Once we have that, especially for the web, "inconvenient" websites will start getting labeled with "hate speech," "sex" etc.
and disappear from the map for a lot of non-geeks.
Just look at netnanny and websense, it's already happening.China does it, and I think governments from all over the world are watching and hoping and learning.Now, who exactly is trying to put their hands on your thoughts, and take your freedom away?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28252223</id>
	<title>Re:Nintendo all the way!</title>
	<author>Mab\_Mass</author>
	<datestamp>1244482260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Let's go back to the old NES days. The only thing that ever made people do was eat mushrooms and beat the shit outta turtles.</p></div>
</blockquote><p> Put in this context, I can understand much better how my life went awry...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's go back to the old NES days .
The only thing that ever made people do was eat mushrooms and beat the shit outta turtles .
Put in this context , I can understand much better how my life went awry.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's go back to the old NES days.
The only thing that ever made people do was eat mushrooms and beat the shit outta turtles.
Put in this context, I can understand much better how my life went awry...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248379</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244453940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You said it in your title....</p><p>Perfect example of the American sheeple that vote for the people taking away our rights and privacy "for the children."</p><p>"Blowing up cars in a tank is just wholesome fun" -&gt; You seriously wrote this statement and are trying to pass it off as a justification for not banning violence but banning non-consensual sex (violence). Biased opinion is biased.</p><p>-------------</p><p>You're obviously not a very good "blind attack-dog," if something like the content of free speech makes you totally give up the idea. What's next, we can't talk about legalizing marijuana because it's illegal and doesn't "help free speech" (what does that even mean)? Then the next step is violent video games, and then anything disagreeing with the majority, and finally all free speech period.... Once you let a foot in the door, an exception "for the children," more and more will follow.</p><p>Go read 1984.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You said it in your title....Perfect example of the American sheeple that vote for the people taking away our rights and privacy " for the children .
" " Blowing up cars in a tank is just wholesome fun " - &gt; You seriously wrote this statement and are trying to pass it off as a justification for not banning violence but banning non-consensual sex ( violence ) .
Biased opinion is biased.-------------You 're obviously not a very good " blind attack-dog , " if something like the content of free speech makes you totally give up the idea .
What 's next , we ca n't talk about legalizing marijuana because it 's illegal and does n't " help free speech " ( what does that even mean ) ?
Then the next step is violent video games , and then anything disagreeing with the majority , and finally all free speech period.... Once you let a foot in the door , an exception " for the children , " more and more will follow.Go read 1984 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You said it in your title....Perfect example of the American sheeple that vote for the people taking away our rights and privacy "for the children.
""Blowing up cars in a tank is just wholesome fun" -&gt; You seriously wrote this statement and are trying to pass it off as a justification for not banning violence but banning non-consensual sex (violence).
Biased opinion is biased.-------------You're obviously not a very good "blind attack-dog," if something like the content of free speech makes you totally give up the idea.
What's next, we can't talk about legalizing marijuana because it's illegal and doesn't "help free speech" (what does that even mean)?
Then the next step is violent video games, and then anything disagreeing with the majority, and finally all free speech period.... Once you let a foot in the door, an exception "for the children," more and more will follow.Go read 1984.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249409</id>
	<title>Re:Nintendo all the way!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244466060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bowser had a lot of offscreen time with the Princess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bowser had a lot of offscreen time with the Princess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bowser had a lot of offscreen time with the Princess.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28251789</id>
	<title>Review of Rapelay at SomethingAwful.com</title>
	<author>krick-zero</author>
	<datestamp>1244480040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hentai-game-reviews/rapelay.php" title="somethingawful.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hentai-game-reviews/rapelay.php</a> [somethingawful.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.somethingawful.com/d/hentai-game-reviews/rapelay.php [ somethingawful.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hentai-game-reviews/rapelay.php [somethingawful.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28250317</id>
	<title>Re:Really? Do you people read each other's comment</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1244472420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hear Hear. I too am disgusted everytime I see all the support on Slashdot for war mongering games such as the murder-simulator "World of Warcraft". I hear that millions of people are trained to carry out acts of unspeakable evil, and Slashdot seems to love it. Are there honestly no limits in what society must condone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hear Hear .
I too am disgusted everytime I see all the support on Slashdot for war mongering games such as the murder-simulator " World of Warcraft " .
I hear that millions of people are trained to carry out acts of unspeakable evil , and Slashdot seems to love it .
Are there honestly no limits in what society must condone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hear Hear.
I too am disgusted everytime I see all the support on Slashdot for war mongering games such as the murder-simulator "World of Warcraft".
I hear that millions of people are trained to carry out acts of unspeakable evil, and Slashdot seems to love it.
Are there honestly no limits in what society must condone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28250989</id>
	<title>Missing the point.co.jp</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244475840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently not a lot of people here know Jap culture. Besides what should be obvious by now, that most of East Asia sees sex in a different way than us western people, Japan in particular likes to do what it wants. And it aint going to change because some US legislator said that it has to. They will probably do some arm waving, pretend to be horrified at their fellow citizens' antics , wait about 5 minutes, and then go back to normal.</p><p>They have been doing things this way for thousands of years. Good luck trying to change that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently not a lot of people here know Jap culture .
Besides what should be obvious by now , that most of East Asia sees sex in a different way than us western people , Japan in particular likes to do what it wants .
And it aint going to change because some US legislator said that it has to .
They will probably do some arm waving , pretend to be horrified at their fellow citizens ' antics , wait about 5 minutes , and then go back to normal.They have been doing things this way for thousands of years .
Good luck trying to change that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently not a lot of people here know Jap culture.
Besides what should be obvious by now, that most of East Asia sees sex in a different way than us western people, Japan in particular likes to do what it wants.
And it aint going to change because some US legislator said that it has to.
They will probably do some arm waving, pretend to be horrified at their fellow citizens' antics , wait about 5 minutes, and then go back to normal.They have been doing things this way for thousands of years.
Good luck trying to change that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248461</id>
	<title>Why we need the Japanese</title>
	<author>KaiLoi</author>
	<datestamp>1244454900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I remember someone telling me once that we are going about this whole "space travel" thing all wrong.<br> <br>

Apparently all we need to do is tell the Japanese that we have discovered a planet on the other side of the galaxy populated only by tentacle monsters and schooolgirls  and they will have the speed of light problem licked by the end of the month.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember someone telling me once that we are going about this whole " space travel " thing all wrong .
Apparently all we need to do is tell the Japanese that we have discovered a planet on the other side of the galaxy populated only by tentacle monsters and schooolgirls and they will have the speed of light problem licked by the end of the month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember someone telling me once that we are going about this whole "space travel" thing all wrong.
Apparently all we need to do is tell the Japanese that we have discovered a planet on the other side of the galaxy populated only by tentacle monsters and schooolgirls  and they will have the speed of light problem licked by the end of the month.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248105</id>
	<title>Mod parent up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244494620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agree 100\%</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agree 100 \ %</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agree 100\%</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249333</id>
	<title>The intended game audience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244465280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Accusing the game makers is simple, however, we should note that the intended audience of eroge is only a part of the population. The otaku/eroge players form only a small part of the society, and in fact, we could say they are barely social. I'd really be interested in some numbers as to how many otaku have been involved in child rape, and my guess, is barely 1\% of the total number of rapes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Accusing the game makers is simple , however , we should note that the intended audience of eroge is only a part of the population .
The otaku/eroge players form only a small part of the society , and in fact , we could say they are barely social .
I 'd really be interested in some numbers as to how many otaku have been involved in child rape , and my guess , is barely 1 \ % of the total number of rapes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Accusing the game makers is simple, however, we should note that the intended audience of eroge is only a part of the population.
The otaku/eroge players form only a small part of the society, and in fact, we could say they are barely social.
I'd really be interested in some numbers as to how many otaku have been involved in child rape, and my guess, is barely 1\% of the total number of rapes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248405</id>
	<title>Re:And in real life...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244454180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I disagree.  What is considered "rape" can vary greatly by culture and legal definition.  A report that came out not too long ago concluded that <a href="http://www.thelocal.se/19376/20090511/" title="thelocal.se" rel="nofollow">Sweden was the rape capital of Europe and had 4 times as many rapes as neighboring Denmark and Finland.</a> [thelocal.se]  As the article I linked pointed out, "In Swedish rape law, the word [rape] can be used for acts called assault or bodily harm in other countries."  For example, the German word <i>Vergewaltigung</i> basically only means physical force being used to achieve intercourse, much different from the American definition which can include alcohol, etc.  Therefore I think it is advised that you take these numbers with a large grain of salt, especially given that the Japanese definitely have their own problems with unwanted sexual advances, like having <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-only\_passenger\_car" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">women-only railcars</a> [wikipedia.org] to cut down on groping.  The statistics on <a href="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri\_rap\_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita" title="nationmaster.com" rel="nofollow">Nation Master</a> [nationmaster.com] also show that Canada has more than twice as many rapes per capital than the US, which causes me to be suspicious of the whole thing in the first place.
<br> <br>
In reference to people being horrified by rape more than murder/killing, <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1229263&amp;cid=27911271&amp;art\_pos=4" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">as I pointed out last time</a> [slashdot.org] there is NOTHING a women could do to justify someone raping her.  Killing is generally sugar-coated in video games to include some kind of necessity for the killing.  Even in Manhunt you're basically being forced to kill to win your freedom and you're already desensitized to killing in video games in the first place since you're used to war games, where you have to take out the enemy before they take you out, so the idea of killing someone in a game doesn't seem all too foreign.  There's no such thing as "justifiable rape", thus it's important not to confuse societal hang-ups about sex (which are often silly and misguided) with disgust at rape (which is there for a good reason).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree .
What is considered " rape " can vary greatly by culture and legal definition .
A report that came out not too long ago concluded that Sweden was the rape capital of Europe and had 4 times as many rapes as neighboring Denmark and Finland .
[ thelocal.se ] As the article I linked pointed out , " In Swedish rape law , the word [ rape ] can be used for acts called assault or bodily harm in other countries .
" For example , the German word Vergewaltigung basically only means physical force being used to achieve intercourse , much different from the American definition which can include alcohol , etc .
Therefore I think it is advised that you take these numbers with a large grain of salt , especially given that the Japanese definitely have their own problems with unwanted sexual advances , like having women-only railcars [ wikipedia.org ] to cut down on groping .
The statistics on Nation Master [ nationmaster.com ] also show that Canada has more than twice as many rapes per capital than the US , which causes me to be suspicious of the whole thing in the first place .
In reference to people being horrified by rape more than murder/killing , as I pointed out last time [ slashdot.org ] there is NOTHING a women could do to justify someone raping her .
Killing is generally sugar-coated in video games to include some kind of necessity for the killing .
Even in Manhunt you 're basically being forced to kill to win your freedom and you 're already desensitized to killing in video games in the first place since you 're used to war games , where you have to take out the enemy before they take you out , so the idea of killing someone in a game does n't seem all too foreign .
There 's no such thing as " justifiable rape " , thus it 's important not to confuse societal hang-ups about sex ( which are often silly and misguided ) with disgust at rape ( which is there for a good reason ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree.
What is considered "rape" can vary greatly by culture and legal definition.
A report that came out not too long ago concluded that Sweden was the rape capital of Europe and had 4 times as many rapes as neighboring Denmark and Finland.
[thelocal.se]  As the article I linked pointed out, "In Swedish rape law, the word [rape] can be used for acts called assault or bodily harm in other countries.
"  For example, the German word Vergewaltigung basically only means physical force being used to achieve intercourse, much different from the American definition which can include alcohol, etc.
Therefore I think it is advised that you take these numbers with a large grain of salt, especially given that the Japanese definitely have their own problems with unwanted sexual advances, like having women-only railcars [wikipedia.org] to cut down on groping.
The statistics on Nation Master [nationmaster.com] also show that Canada has more than twice as many rapes per capital than the US, which causes me to be suspicious of the whole thing in the first place.
In reference to people being horrified by rape more than murder/killing, as I pointed out last time [slashdot.org] there is NOTHING a women could do to justify someone raping her.
Killing is generally sugar-coated in video games to include some kind of necessity for the killing.
Even in Manhunt you're basically being forced to kill to win your freedom and you're already desensitized to killing in video games in the first place since you're used to war games, where you have to take out the enemy before they take you out, so the idea of killing someone in a game doesn't seem all too foreign.
There's no such thing as "justifiable rape", thus it's important not to confuse societal hang-ups about sex (which are often silly and misguided) with disgust at rape (which is there for a good reason).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28253299</id>
	<title>Re:Really? Do you people read each other's comment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244486760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who besides you is talking about condoning? There is a not so fine line between "not condoning" and "making impossible to obtain legally".</p><p>You can object all you want but you can't forbid everything you object to. The line is drawn where people are actually, tangibly, physically hurt, not offended. If you don't like it, don't use it, and tell people who do that you want nothing to do with them.</p><p>Basically, there's three levels.</p><ul>
<li>You're not offended and nobody's hurt: no problem.</li><li>You're offended but nobody's hurt: social control, criticize/snub/brand them all you like.</li><li>Somebody's hurt: let the law handle it, regardless of whether you're offended.</li></ul><p>Seriously, when did it get so in vogue to prohibit everything you find offensive?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who besides you is talking about condoning ?
There is a not so fine line between " not condoning " and " making impossible to obtain legally " .You can object all you want but you ca n't forbid everything you object to .
The line is drawn where people are actually , tangibly , physically hurt , not offended .
If you do n't like it , do n't use it , and tell people who do that you want nothing to do with them.Basically , there 's three levels .
You 're not offended and nobody 's hurt : no problem.You 're offended but nobody 's hurt : social control , criticize/snub/brand them all you like.Somebody 's hurt : let the law handle it , regardless of whether you 're offended.Seriously , when did it get so in vogue to prohibit everything you find offensive ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who besides you is talking about condoning?
There is a not so fine line between "not condoning" and "making impossible to obtain legally".You can object all you want but you can't forbid everything you object to.
The line is drawn where people are actually, tangibly, physically hurt, not offended.
If you don't like it, don't use it, and tell people who do that you want nothing to do with them.Basically, there's three levels.
You're not offended and nobody's hurt: no problem.You're offended but nobody's hurt: social control, criticize/snub/brand them all you like.Somebody's hurt: let the law handle it, regardless of whether you're offended.Seriously, when did it get so in vogue to prohibit everything you find offensive?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247517</id>
	<title>Obligatory</title>
	<author>QuantumG</author>
	<datestamp>1244401620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.icanhasmotivation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/rape-03.jpg" title="icanhasmotivation.com" rel="nofollow">It's like saying hello in Japan!</a> [icanhasmotivation.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like saying hello in Japan !
[ icanhasmotivation.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like saying hello in Japan!
[icanhasmotivation.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28255425</id>
	<title>Re:No victim, no crime</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1244451900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>In order for something to be a crime, it must be demonstrated that it causes harm, suffering, or loss.</i> </p><p>No it doesn't.</p><p>It only has to be defined as a crime in the statute books.</p><p>That is why is perfectly possible for an act to be legal in one jurisdiction and criminal in another.</p><p>You don't need to prove that violent video games cause violence. You only need to decide whether they can published.</p><p><i>You are talking about banning a form of expression. What is being expressed is a terrible thing, yes, but freedom of speech doesn't just protect things you find agreeable. Polite speech doesn't require protection.<br>Censorship is always worse than what is being censored.</i> </p><p>That's your opinion.</p><p>But others are free to disagree.</p><p>Only the collective judgment of society as expressed in its laws can be binding on everyone.</p><p>Society <b>can</b> say that we don't want this. We won't have this - and make it stick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In order for something to be a crime , it must be demonstrated that it causes harm , suffering , or loss .
No it does n't.It only has to be defined as a crime in the statute books.That is why is perfectly possible for an act to be legal in one jurisdiction and criminal in another.You do n't need to prove that violent video games cause violence .
You only need to decide whether they can published.You are talking about banning a form of expression .
What is being expressed is a terrible thing , yes , but freedom of speech does n't just protect things you find agreeable .
Polite speech does n't require protection.Censorship is always worse than what is being censored .
That 's your opinion.But others are free to disagree.Only the collective judgment of society as expressed in its laws can be binding on everyone.Society can say that we do n't want this .
We wo n't have this - and make it stick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order for something to be a crime, it must be demonstrated that it causes harm, suffering, or loss.
No it doesn't.It only has to be defined as a crime in the statute books.That is why is perfectly possible for an act to be legal in one jurisdiction and criminal in another.You don't need to prove that violent video games cause violence.
You only need to decide whether they can published.You are talking about banning a form of expression.
What is being expressed is a terrible thing, yes, but freedom of speech doesn't just protect things you find agreeable.
Polite speech doesn't require protection.Censorship is always worse than what is being censored.
That's your opinion.But others are free to disagree.Only the collective judgment of society as expressed in its laws can be binding on everyone.Society can say that we don't want this.
We won't have this - and make it stick.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248035</id>
	<title>Errant Legistation</title>
	<author>Francis</author>
	<datestamp>1244493900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think sexual assault is terrible, and it disgusts me that people want to play games that simulate such things.</p><p>But I disagree with this law. I think freedom of expression is a valuable personal liberty. The legal system should be concerned with protecting the welfare and safety of the citizens it governs, not guiding what kind of intellectual content can be distributed among adults.</p><p>On a more personal level, I find it ridiculous that rape simulation should be outlawed, but murder simulation is not. We as a society accept that murder is a worse crime than sexual assault. This is why murder charges have more severe punishment than rape.</p><p>The only argument that would make this kind of legislation rational would be if someone could establish that sexual assault in video games encourages acts of real world sexual assault. I'd be surprised if it were true. Most studies conclude that violence in movies and video games does not encourage real-world violence. I can't imagine any reason why rape would be so different than any other violent crime in this aspect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think sexual assault is terrible , and it disgusts me that people want to play games that simulate such things.But I disagree with this law .
I think freedom of expression is a valuable personal liberty .
The legal system should be concerned with protecting the welfare and safety of the citizens it governs , not guiding what kind of intellectual content can be distributed among adults.On a more personal level , I find it ridiculous that rape simulation should be outlawed , but murder simulation is not .
We as a society accept that murder is a worse crime than sexual assault .
This is why murder charges have more severe punishment than rape.The only argument that would make this kind of legislation rational would be if someone could establish that sexual assault in video games encourages acts of real world sexual assault .
I 'd be surprised if it were true .
Most studies conclude that violence in movies and video games does not encourage real-world violence .
I ca n't imagine any reason why rape would be so different than any other violent crime in this aspect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think sexual assault is terrible, and it disgusts me that people want to play games that simulate such things.But I disagree with this law.
I think freedom of expression is a valuable personal liberty.
The legal system should be concerned with protecting the welfare and safety of the citizens it governs, not guiding what kind of intellectual content can be distributed among adults.On a more personal level, I find it ridiculous that rape simulation should be outlawed, but murder simulation is not.
We as a society accept that murder is a worse crime than sexual assault.
This is why murder charges have more severe punishment than rape.The only argument that would make this kind of legislation rational would be if someone could establish that sexual assault in video games encourages acts of real world sexual assault.
I'd be surprised if it were true.
Most studies conclude that violence in movies and video games does not encourage real-world violence.
I can't imagine any reason why rape would be so different than any other violent crime in this aspect.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248669</id>
	<title>The demand for such games??</title>
	<author>mathfeel</author>
	<datestamp>1244457360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Maybe it's because Japan has one of the lowest rape per capita countries.
<br> <br>
<a href="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri\_rap\_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita" title="nationmaster.com">http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri\_rap\_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita</a> [nationmaster.com]
<br> <br>
Hence the need to relief these urges virtually. That would be a good thing, no??</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's because Japan has one of the lowest rape per capita countries .
http : //www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri \ _rap \ _percap-crime-rapes-per-capita [ nationmaster.com ] Hence the need to relief these urges virtually .
That would be a good thing , no ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's because Japan has one of the lowest rape per capita countries.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri\_rap\_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita [nationmaster.com]
 
Hence the need to relief these urges virtually.
That would be a good thing, no?
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28250667</id>
	<title>Waaaait</title>
	<author>Midnight Voyager</author>
	<datestamp>1244474220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Wait. Uh, wait, hold on.

If they are so worried about CHILD PORN, why are they banning RAPE IN VIDEO GAMES and not that?!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait .
Uh , wait , hold on .
If they are so worried about CHILD PORN , why are they banning RAPE IN VIDEO GAMES and not that ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait.
Uh, wait, hold on.
If they are so worried about CHILD PORN, why are they banning RAPE IN VIDEO GAMES and not that?
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249289</id>
	<title>Oblig.</title>
	<author>clickclickdrone</author>
	<datestamp>1244464800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But think of the children!<br>
Oh, wait, you are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But think of the children !
Oh , wait , you are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But think of the children!
Oh, wait, you are.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248939</id>
	<title>Re:Protect the innocent!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1244460780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because it's something you can't do in real life. As cruel as it sounds. People like everything. Some would fuck fat goats grannies on fire. And it's normal that many people form the borders of the gauss curve.</p><p>Point is: As long as it hurts nobody, who cares?</p><p>It's a nice thing, that we have computers, which allow to do many things, without hurting anybody.</p><p>Oh, and why don't you think that games and tv shows showing/allowing massive killing sprees 24-like bullying, and many other crimes, is somehow ok?<br>Right: Because it's not real.</p><p>It's like dreaming of something. Imagining it. Same thing, just with the assistance of a tool that extends the capabilities of your brain.</p><p>Oh, and my father told me, that he found it strange, that people here marry so late after their puberty, and also were so immature. Down there, they married at 12/13, and had to be grown up, or they would go crazy or die. Guess what country I mean. ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it 's something you ca n't do in real life .
As cruel as it sounds .
People like everything .
Some would fuck fat goats grannies on fire .
And it 's normal that many people form the borders of the gauss curve.Point is : As long as it hurts nobody , who cares ? It 's a nice thing , that we have computers , which allow to do many things , without hurting anybody.Oh , and why do n't you think that games and tv shows showing/allowing massive killing sprees 24-like bullying , and many other crimes , is somehow ok ? Right : Because it 's not real.It 's like dreaming of something .
Imagining it .
Same thing , just with the assistance of a tool that extends the capabilities of your brain.Oh , and my father told me , that he found it strange , that people here marry so late after their puberty , and also were so immature .
Down there , they married at 12/13 , and had to be grown up , or they would go crazy or die .
Guess what country I mean .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it's something you can't do in real life.
As cruel as it sounds.
People like everything.
Some would fuck fat goats grannies on fire.
And it's normal that many people form the borders of the gauss curve.Point is: As long as it hurts nobody, who cares?It's a nice thing, that we have computers, which allow to do many things, without hurting anybody.Oh, and why don't you think that games and tv shows showing/allowing massive killing sprees 24-like bullying, and many other crimes, is somehow ok?Right: Because it's not real.It's like dreaming of something.
Imagining it.
Same thing, just with the assistance of a tool that extends the capabilities of your brain.Oh, and my father told me, that he found it strange, that people here marry so late after their puberty, and also were so immature.
Down there, they married at 12/13, and had to be grown up, or they would go crazy or die.
Guess what country I mean.
^^</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248437</id>
	<title>freedom!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244454720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many people that want to buy a game called RapeLay actually care about what the Ethics Organization of Computer Software has to say about it anyway? As deplorable as raping a 12 year old is, I commend japans ability to allow the freedom to produce such trash. So the ethics committee has a problem with it; who didn't see that coming... but its not against the law, and that's the important part.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many people that want to buy a game called RapeLay actually care about what the Ethics Organization of Computer Software has to say about it anyway ?
As deplorable as raping a 12 year old is , I commend japans ability to allow the freedom to produce such trash .
So the ethics committee has a problem with it ; who did n't see that coming... but its not against the law , and that 's the important part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many people that want to buy a game called RapeLay actually care about what the Ethics Organization of Computer Software has to say about it anyway?
As deplorable as raping a 12 year old is, I commend japans ability to allow the freedom to produce such trash.
So the ethics committee has a problem with it; who didn't see that coming... but its not against the law, and that's the important part.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248331</id>
	<title>Re:Morals and all that jazz</title>
	<author>Asic Eng</author>
	<datestamp>1244453400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So hang on: self-censorship is bad, so we'll instead force censorship on the people? Apart from that not making any sense, even if you had a set of things which we'd agree on are bad to talk about, the standard problems of censorship are: Who controls what's going on if censorship is in place? Who can censor this "bad speech" if allegedly this "bad speech" is so corrupting?
<p>
Isn't there a constitution in the US which just summarily forbids censorship? Doesn't it occur to your professor that undermining the foundations of democracy could have a certain risk associated with it?
</p><p>
Lastly: women are not all into vanilla sex, and women do not all have vanilla sexual fantasies. The idea that you could establish censorship in order to shield women from all these evil men, and at the same time not trample on *their* right to pursue happiness - is misguided to say the least. Fantasizing about rape is one of the top female fantasies, and age play or student/teacher fantasies are pretty common, too. Here is one article I found, but there are plenty all over the place, stating the same thing: <a href="http://www.healthyplace.com/sex/psychology-of-sex/womens-top-ten-sexual-fantasies/menu-id-66/page-2/" title="healthyplace.com">http://www.healthyplace.com/sex/psychology-of-sex/womens-top-ten-sexual-fantasies/menu-id-66/page-2/</a> [healthyplace.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So hang on : self-censorship is bad , so we 'll instead force censorship on the people ?
Apart from that not making any sense , even if you had a set of things which we 'd agree on are bad to talk about , the standard problems of censorship are : Who controls what 's going on if censorship is in place ?
Who can censor this " bad speech " if allegedly this " bad speech " is so corrupting ?
Is n't there a constitution in the US which just summarily forbids censorship ?
Does n't it occur to your professor that undermining the foundations of democracy could have a certain risk associated with it ?
Lastly : women are not all into vanilla sex , and women do not all have vanilla sexual fantasies .
The idea that you could establish censorship in order to shield women from all these evil men , and at the same time not trample on * their * right to pursue happiness - is misguided to say the least .
Fantasizing about rape is one of the top female fantasies , and age play or student/teacher fantasies are pretty common , too .
Here is one article I found , but there are plenty all over the place , stating the same thing : http : //www.healthyplace.com/sex/psychology-of-sex/womens-top-ten-sexual-fantasies/menu-id-66/page-2/ [ healthyplace.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So hang on: self-censorship is bad, so we'll instead force censorship on the people?
Apart from that not making any sense, even if you had a set of things which we'd agree on are bad to talk about, the standard problems of censorship are: Who controls what's going on if censorship is in place?
Who can censor this "bad speech" if allegedly this "bad speech" is so corrupting?
Isn't there a constitution in the US which just summarily forbids censorship?
Doesn't it occur to your professor that undermining the foundations of democracy could have a certain risk associated with it?
Lastly: women are not all into vanilla sex, and women do not all have vanilla sexual fantasies.
The idea that you could establish censorship in order to shield women from all these evil men, and at the same time not trample on *their* right to pursue happiness - is misguided to say the least.
Fantasizing about rape is one of the top female fantasies, and age play or student/teacher fantasies are pretty common, too.
Here is one article I found, but there are plenty all over the place, stating the same thing: http://www.healthyplace.com/sex/psychology-of-sex/womens-top-ten-sexual-fantasies/menu-id-66/page-2/ [healthyplace.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248821</id>
	<title>rape without physical contact,  yeah right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244459400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>jackass</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>jackass</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jackass</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248069</id>
	<title>No victim, no crime</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244494320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In order for something to be a crime, it must be demonstrated that it causes harm, suffering, or loss. There has to be a victim. Now, the victim could be argued to be society as a whole, but I've not seen any actual proof that rape games make people rape or violent games make people violent.</p><p>I have played the game mentioned in TFA out of curiosity. It was linked to on a forum I frequent. It wasn't disturbing to me at all because I took it for what it is: fiction. Fictional depictions of death don't disturb me either, and I think any reasonable person would consider death worse than rape.</p><p>Rape is terrible, so is murder. Those crimes are even more disturbing and tragic when they happen to children. But that's not these people are arguing against. Raping children (or anyone) is ALREADY illegal. The opponents of this game are not arguing against rape, they are arguing against free speech but are confusing the debate by painting the other side as being pro-rape. Stop confusing the issue and argue on the facts. You are talking about banning a form of expression. What is being expressed is a terrible thing, yes, but freedom of speech doesn't just protect things you find agreeable. Polite speech doesn't require protection.</p><p>Censorship is always worse than what is being censored.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In order for something to be a crime , it must be demonstrated that it causes harm , suffering , or loss .
There has to be a victim .
Now , the victim could be argued to be society as a whole , but I 've not seen any actual proof that rape games make people rape or violent games make people violent.I have played the game mentioned in TFA out of curiosity .
It was linked to on a forum I frequent .
It was n't disturbing to me at all because I took it for what it is : fiction .
Fictional depictions of death do n't disturb me either , and I think any reasonable person would consider death worse than rape.Rape is terrible , so is murder .
Those crimes are even more disturbing and tragic when they happen to children .
But that 's not these people are arguing against .
Raping children ( or anyone ) is ALREADY illegal .
The opponents of this game are not arguing against rape , they are arguing against free speech but are confusing the debate by painting the other side as being pro-rape .
Stop confusing the issue and argue on the facts .
You are talking about banning a form of expression .
What is being expressed is a terrible thing , yes , but freedom of speech does n't just protect things you find agreeable .
Polite speech does n't require protection.Censorship is always worse than what is being censored .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order for something to be a crime, it must be demonstrated that it causes harm, suffering, or loss.
There has to be a victim.
Now, the victim could be argued to be society as a whole, but I've not seen any actual proof that rape games make people rape or violent games make people violent.I have played the game mentioned in TFA out of curiosity.
It was linked to on a forum I frequent.
It wasn't disturbing to me at all because I took it for what it is: fiction.
Fictional depictions of death don't disturb me either, and I think any reasonable person would consider death worse than rape.Rape is terrible, so is murder.
Those crimes are even more disturbing and tragic when they happen to children.
But that's not these people are arguing against.
Raping children (or anyone) is ALREADY illegal.
The opponents of this game are not arguing against rape, they are arguing against free speech but are confusing the debate by painting the other side as being pro-rape.
Stop confusing the issue and argue on the facts.
You are talking about banning a form of expression.
What is being expressed is a terrible thing, yes, but freedom of speech doesn't just protect things you find agreeable.
Polite speech doesn't require protection.Censorship is always worse than what is being censored.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Protect the innocent!</title>
	<author>nidarus</author>
	<datestamp>1244469660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>Why is there such huge demand for this perverse behavior in Japan?</i>

Hmmm. Japan doesn't have a monopoly on perversity. <i>American Idol</i>, <i>Australian Idol</i>, <i>Britain's Got Talent</i> come to mind. Capitalising on humiliation and misery is arguably a form of rape, and I've only scratched the surface with what I know of those shows...</p></div><p>Uhm, if search for "japanese game show" in youtube, you'll find things much more humiliating than American Idol.</p><p>But if you're talking about the US, you should probably mention that it still produces most of the pornography in the world. This means two things:</p><ol> <li>If you think about what's considered the norm in American porn, you'll reach the conclusion that Americans are no small perverts themselves.</li><li>Anyone who's just "mildly" perverse (according to American standards), just watches American porn. Foreign porn producers are drawn to the niche market of "stuff Americans won't watch/allow".</li></ol></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is there such huge demand for this perverse behavior in Japan ?
Hmmm. Japan does n't have a monopoly on perversity .
American Idol , Australian Idol , Britain 's Got Talent come to mind .
Capitalising on humiliation and misery is arguably a form of rape , and I 've only scratched the surface with what I know of those shows...Uhm , if search for " japanese game show " in youtube , you 'll find things much more humiliating than American Idol.But if you 're talking about the US , you should probably mention that it still produces most of the pornography in the world .
This means two things : If you think about what 's considered the norm in American porn , you 'll reach the conclusion that Americans are no small perverts themselves.Anyone who 's just " mildly " perverse ( according to American standards ) , just watches American porn .
Foreign porn producers are drawn to the niche market of " stuff Americans wo n't watch/allow " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Why is there such huge demand for this perverse behavior in Japan?
Hmmm. Japan doesn't have a monopoly on perversity.
American Idol, Australian Idol, Britain's Got Talent come to mind.
Capitalising on humiliation and misery is arguably a form of rape, and I've only scratched the surface with what I know of those shows...Uhm, if search for "japanese game show" in youtube, you'll find things much more humiliating than American Idol.But if you're talking about the US, you should probably mention that it still produces most of the pornography in the world.
This means two things: If you think about what's considered the norm in American porn, you'll reach the conclusion that Americans are no small perverts themselves.Anyone who's just "mildly" perverse (according to American standards), just watches American porn.
Foreign porn producers are drawn to the niche market of "stuff Americans won't watch/allow".
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248251</id>
	<title>Re:Morals and all that jazz</title>
	<author>jandersen</author>
	<datestamp>1244452560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You raise a number of very valid concerns, which I will try to address.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Much like the dodgy connection between violent video games and real life violence (anecdotal evidence non-withstanding), I don't really buy it.</p></div><p>Dodgy connection? Well, if it seems dodgy, is it not a good idea to find out for a fact?</p><p>If all you know about this issue is what you see through media like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., then you don't really know what you are talking about. The real message here is not that "violent games are bad for you and must be banned", but that we all need to address this issue seriously and with open minds, which is what the researchers are doing. Having two sides yelling at each other from opposite corners is not going to make things better, because all it achieves is to drown out the quest for factual knowledge, which only plays into the hands of those that want to ban - it is so much easier to ban something than learning to handle whatever the real problem might be.</p><p>The fact of the matter is that it is not all that far fetched to think that there may be a connection between violent entertainment and violence in children. Now if people on both sides weren't simply idiots, they would be interested in knowing whether this is actually the case or not. I mean, if you are concerned that it might be true, then you should be interested in learning that it isn't, because then you don't have to worry; and if you are convinced that it is not true - why should you worry about scientific research brings to light? Their only concern is to find the facts, which will of course support your view; or if not, then I would have thought it valuable to be warned of a real problem, so you can consider how to handle it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Especially since each individual culture seems to have entirely different responses to various social laws. As a good example, banning guns in the US causes violent crime rates to rise (see: Washington DC), but Japan has far less of an issue, where guns have more or less been illegal for civilians since WWII</p></div><p>I don't think so - as all modern research has shown, the similarities between all societies far outweigh the differences; human culture is fundamentally the same thing with little differences in some of the surface features. However, it should come as no surprise that if you take a society like the US, which is hyper-saturated with firearms, and ban guns then you will see a significant rise in gun-related crime simply because the law-abiding part of the population will hand in their guns, however reluctantly, whereas the criminals won't - so gun related crime will increase and then go down as the illegal weapons are seized. Perhaps the best way to go about it would be to ban the trading in guns, but allow people to keep the ones they already legally own.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>&gt;<br>But, politicians aren't arguing this, because they don't actually care about freedom</p></div><p>I can't speak for all politicians everywhere, but I don't think you are right - it is just yet another of the smugly ignorant fallacies that the more polarised part of the media has been hammering out for decades. There is no real reason to expect politicians to be other than fairly average people; they are on the whole doing what you yourself would have done in the same situation, more or less. Anyone who has worked with trying to get any sort of big project to move according to a plan will know how it is - people pull in ten different directions and you are disturbed all the time with unrelated things, and to be quite honest, the issue of personal freedom in connection with video games that you personally have never even offered a thought, can seem quite trivial, whereas the worry about something that might threaten your children is something that never goes away if you are a parent.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>His point was, if this pornographic material spreads the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men's pleasure, which causes women to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure, fear, or general brain washing, then it must be banned.</p></div><p>I think he's got it wrong (although I agree with his sentiment) - porn doesn't spread an ideology, it is merely a symptom of the presence of those ideologies in society, and that is what we should address. I personally find it deeply disturbing that we in modern society are so passive in educating our children about so many of the very real dangers around them. We don't really teach them enough to know what is real and what is fantasy in pornography, for one thing, so they think it is natural to be waxed all over and that sex is something impersonal and mechanical.</p><p>Another thing we ought to address as a society is the very idea that violence and excess is something we should enjoy as a form of "fun". And when I say "address" I don't mean "ban" - the worst thing we can do about problems, potential or real, would be to avoid thinking clearly about them.</p></div>
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<tokenext>You raise a number of very valid concerns , which I will try to address.Much like the dodgy connection between violent video games and real life violence ( anecdotal evidence non-withstanding ) , I do n't really buy it.Dodgy connection ?
Well , if it seems dodgy , is it not a good idea to find out for a fact ? If all you know about this issue is what you see through media like /. , then you do n't really know what you are talking about .
The real message here is not that " violent games are bad for you and must be banned " , but that we all need to address this issue seriously and with open minds , which is what the researchers are doing .
Having two sides yelling at each other from opposite corners is not going to make things better , because all it achieves is to drown out the quest for factual knowledge , which only plays into the hands of those that want to ban - it is so much easier to ban something than learning to handle whatever the real problem might be.The fact of the matter is that it is not all that far fetched to think that there may be a connection between violent entertainment and violence in children .
Now if people on both sides were n't simply idiots , they would be interested in knowing whether this is actually the case or not .
I mean , if you are concerned that it might be true , then you should be interested in learning that it is n't , because then you do n't have to worry ; and if you are convinced that it is not true - why should you worry about scientific research brings to light ?
Their only concern is to find the facts , which will of course support your view ; or if not , then I would have thought it valuable to be warned of a real problem , so you can consider how to handle it.Especially since each individual culture seems to have entirely different responses to various social laws .
As a good example , banning guns in the US causes violent crime rates to rise ( see : Washington DC ) , but Japan has far less of an issue , where guns have more or less been illegal for civilians since WWIII do n't think so - as all modern research has shown , the similarities between all societies far outweigh the differences ; human culture is fundamentally the same thing with little differences in some of the surface features .
However , it should come as no surprise that if you take a society like the US , which is hyper-saturated with firearms , and ban guns then you will see a significant rise in gun-related crime simply because the law-abiding part of the population will hand in their guns , however reluctantly , whereas the criminals wo n't - so gun related crime will increase and then go down as the illegal weapons are seized .
Perhaps the best way to go about it would be to ban the trading in guns , but allow people to keep the ones they already legally own. &gt; But , politicians are n't arguing this , because they do n't actually care about freedomI ca n't speak for all politicians everywhere , but I do n't think you are right - it is just yet another of the smugly ignorant fallacies that the more polarised part of the media has been hammering out for decades .
There is no real reason to expect politicians to be other than fairly average people ; they are on the whole doing what you yourself would have done in the same situation , more or less .
Anyone who has worked with trying to get any sort of big project to move according to a plan will know how it is - people pull in ten different directions and you are disturbed all the time with unrelated things , and to be quite honest , the issue of personal freedom in connection with video games that you personally have never even offered a thought , can seem quite trivial , whereas the worry about something that might threaten your children is something that never goes away if you are a parent.His point was , if this pornographic material spreads the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men 's pleasure , which causes women to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure , fear , or general brain washing , then it must be banned.I think he 's got it wrong ( although I agree with his sentiment ) - porn does n't spread an ideology , it is merely a symptom of the presence of those ideologies in society , and that is what we should address .
I personally find it deeply disturbing that we in modern society are so passive in educating our children about so many of the very real dangers around them .
We do n't really teach them enough to know what is real and what is fantasy in pornography , for one thing , so they think it is natural to be waxed all over and that sex is something impersonal and mechanical.Another thing we ought to address as a society is the very idea that violence and excess is something we should enjoy as a form of " fun " .
And when I say " address " I do n't mean " ban " - the worst thing we can do about problems , potential or real , would be to avoid thinking clearly about them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You raise a number of very valid concerns, which I will try to address.Much like the dodgy connection between violent video games and real life violence (anecdotal evidence non-withstanding), I don't really buy it.Dodgy connection?
Well, if it seems dodgy, is it not a good idea to find out for a fact?If all you know about this issue is what you see through media like /., then you don't really know what you are talking about.
The real message here is not that "violent games are bad for you and must be banned", but that we all need to address this issue seriously and with open minds, which is what the researchers are doing.
Having two sides yelling at each other from opposite corners is not going to make things better, because all it achieves is to drown out the quest for factual knowledge, which only plays into the hands of those that want to ban - it is so much easier to ban something than learning to handle whatever the real problem might be.The fact of the matter is that it is not all that far fetched to think that there may be a connection between violent entertainment and violence in children.
Now if people on both sides weren't simply idiots, they would be interested in knowing whether this is actually the case or not.
I mean, if you are concerned that it might be true, then you should be interested in learning that it isn't, because then you don't have to worry; and if you are convinced that it is not true - why should you worry about scientific research brings to light?
Their only concern is to find the facts, which will of course support your view; or if not, then I would have thought it valuable to be warned of a real problem, so you can consider how to handle it.Especially since each individual culture seems to have entirely different responses to various social laws.
As a good example, banning guns in the US causes violent crime rates to rise (see: Washington DC), but Japan has far less of an issue, where guns have more or less been illegal for civilians since WWIII don't think so - as all modern research has shown, the similarities between all societies far outweigh the differences; human culture is fundamentally the same thing with little differences in some of the surface features.
However, it should come as no surprise that if you take a society like the US, which is hyper-saturated with firearms, and ban guns then you will see a significant rise in gun-related crime simply because the law-abiding part of the population will hand in their guns, however reluctantly, whereas the criminals won't - so gun related crime will increase and then go down as the illegal weapons are seized.
Perhaps the best way to go about it would be to ban the trading in guns, but allow people to keep the ones they already legally own.&gt;But, politicians aren't arguing this, because they don't actually care about freedomI can't speak for all politicians everywhere, but I don't think you are right - it is just yet another of the smugly ignorant fallacies that the more polarised part of the media has been hammering out for decades.
There is no real reason to expect politicians to be other than fairly average people; they are on the whole doing what you yourself would have done in the same situation, more or less.
Anyone who has worked with trying to get any sort of big project to move according to a plan will know how it is - people pull in ten different directions and you are disturbed all the time with unrelated things, and to be quite honest, the issue of personal freedom in connection with video games that you personally have never even offered a thought, can seem quite trivial, whereas the worry about something that might threaten your children is something that never goes away if you are a parent.His point was, if this pornographic material spreads the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men's pleasure, which causes women to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure, fear, or general brain washing, then it must be banned.I think he's got it wrong (although I agree with his sentiment) - porn doesn't spread an ideology, it is merely a symptom of the presence of those ideologies in society, and that is what we should address.
I personally find it deeply disturbing that we in modern society are so passive in educating our children about so many of the very real dangers around them.
We don't really teach them enough to know what is real and what is fantasy in pornography, for one thing, so they think it is natural to be waxed all over and that sex is something impersonal and mechanical.Another thing we ought to address as a society is the very idea that violence and excess is something we should enjoy as a form of "fun".
And when I say "address" I don't mean "ban" - the worst thing we can do about problems, potential or real, would be to avoid thinking clearly about them.
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	<title>Tentacles...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p>Excluded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Excluded .</tokentext>
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	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Erythros</author>
	<datestamp>1244451900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Exactly how I wanted to state it, but I couldn't piece the words together considering so many thoughts bombarded  my brain at once.</p><p>Games serve a purpose and a good one at that.</p><p>As the parent stated, "Going around a fake city in a tank and blowing up every douchey car is just wholesome fun."<br>as well as...<br>Blowing up enemies in Halo3..<br>Killing Zombies in Left4Dead</p><p>For those of you who would like to use the argument that if you can murder in a game then why can't you rape in a game.<br>Consider this. The purpose that games serve is to satisfy a sense of success and achievement.  There is always some goal of the game, usually one that requires some game play skill.  The goals are to save the world, or even more simplistically remove the enemy.   Oddly enough these things DO happen in real life, it is called WAR!!!!!</p><p>
&nbsp; Let's take GTA4 as a common example of a game where many not so moral things are possible.  MOST gamers play the game to reach the goal and gain achievements.  It is also great fun to explore the boundaries of the game by slapping hookers, robbing pedestrians, and shooting at cops, but if play the game where your only objective is to shoot at cops (ignoring the achievement of numerous felony stars) there may be some deep rooted hatred towards the police.</p><p>Now lets apply the same logic to this rape game.  If you play a game with the objective of capturing and raping young girls you may want to look a little deeper inside yourself, and think about what your own objective is and consider why you would buy a game in the first place, then get professional help.</p><p>-Also a very strong supporter of free speech.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly how I wanted to state it , but I could n't piece the words together considering so many thoughts bombarded my brain at once.Games serve a purpose and a good one at that.As the parent stated , " Going around a fake city in a tank and blowing up every douchey car is just wholesome fun .
" as well as...Blowing up enemies in Halo3..Killing Zombies in Left4DeadFor those of you who would like to use the argument that if you can murder in a game then why ca n't you rape in a game.Consider this .
The purpose that games serve is to satisfy a sense of success and achievement .
There is always some goal of the game , usually one that requires some game play skill .
The goals are to save the world , or even more simplistically remove the enemy .
Oddly enough these things DO happen in real life , it is called WAR ! ! ! ! !
  Let 's take GTA4 as a common example of a game where many not so moral things are possible .
MOST gamers play the game to reach the goal and gain achievements .
It is also great fun to explore the boundaries of the game by slapping hookers , robbing pedestrians , and shooting at cops , but if play the game where your only objective is to shoot at cops ( ignoring the achievement of numerous felony stars ) there may be some deep rooted hatred towards the police.Now lets apply the same logic to this rape game .
If you play a game with the objective of capturing and raping young girls you may want to look a little deeper inside yourself , and think about what your own objective is and consider why you would buy a game in the first place , then get professional help.-Also a very strong supporter of free speech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly how I wanted to state it, but I couldn't piece the words together considering so many thoughts bombarded  my brain at once.Games serve a purpose and a good one at that.As the parent stated, "Going around a fake city in a tank and blowing up every douchey car is just wholesome fun.
"as well as...Blowing up enemies in Halo3..Killing Zombies in Left4DeadFor those of you who would like to use the argument that if you can murder in a game then why can't you rape in a game.Consider this.
The purpose that games serve is to satisfy a sense of success and achievement.
There is always some goal of the game, usually one that requires some game play skill.
The goals are to save the world, or even more simplistically remove the enemy.
Oddly enough these things DO happen in real life, it is called WAR!!!!!
  Let's take GTA4 as a common example of a game where many not so moral things are possible.
MOST gamers play the game to reach the goal and gain achievements.
It is also great fun to explore the boundaries of the game by slapping hookers, robbing pedestrians, and shooting at cops, but if play the game where your only objective is to shoot at cops (ignoring the achievement of numerous felony stars) there may be some deep rooted hatred towards the police.Now lets apply the same logic to this rape game.
If you play a game with the objective of capturing and raping young girls you may want to look a little deeper inside yourself, and think about what your own objective is and consider why you would buy a game in the first place, then get professional help.-Also a very strong supporter of free speech.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The demand for such games??</title>
	<author>tokul</author>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Maybe it's because Japan has one of the lowest rape per capita countries.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Or maybe they prefer to rape people outside of their country.
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Japanese\_war\_crimes&amp;oldid=294921491" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Japanese\_war\_crimes&amp;oldid=294921491</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
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<tokenext>Maybe it 's because Japan has one of the lowest rape per capita countries .
Or maybe they prefer to rape people outside of their country .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php ? title = Japanese \ _war \ _crimes&amp;oldid = 294921491 [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's because Japan has one of the lowest rape per capita countries.
Or maybe they prefer to rape people outside of their country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Japanese\_war\_crimes&amp;oldid=294921491 [wikipedia.org]
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	<title>RE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244457780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>As a 27y.o, I have been raised with violent games, that depict murder, drug using, torture and even proxenetism. There were some hentai games you would probably find well, disturbing.<br>
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I still have grown into a balanced person. Most would consider me an asshole, sure, but I wouldn't engage in criminal behaviour, I respect men and women alike and I pay my taxes.
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Adding child abuse into the mix certainly adds to the challenge of sorting things out for teens growing up in that world. But every challenge makes them better actually. Far better to toy around raping a virtual 12y.o with your friends to put the whole thing in perspective than to hide and ban the game alltogether. It'd be security through obscurity, if you will.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a 27y.o , I have been raised with violent games , that depict murder , drug using , torture and even proxenetism .
There were some hentai games you would probably find well , disturbing .
I still have grown into a balanced person .
Most would consider me an asshole , sure , but I would n't engage in criminal behaviour , I respect men and women alike and I pay my taxes .
Adding child abuse into the mix certainly adds to the challenge of sorting things out for teens growing up in that world .
But every challenge makes them better actually .
Far better to toy around raping a virtual 12y.o with your friends to put the whole thing in perspective than to hide and ban the game alltogether .
It 'd be security through obscurity , if you will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a 27y.o, I have been raised with violent games, that depict murder, drug using, torture and even proxenetism.
There were some hentai games you would probably find well, disturbing.
I still have grown into a balanced person.
Most would consider me an asshole, sure, but I wouldn't engage in criminal behaviour, I respect men and women alike and I pay my taxes.
Adding child abuse into the mix certainly adds to the challenge of sorting things out for teens growing up in that world.
But every challenge makes them better actually.
Far better to toy around raping a virtual 12y.o with your friends to put the whole thing in perspective than to hide and ban the game alltogether.
It'd be security through obscurity, if you will.</sentencetext>
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	<title>women are so frequently groped</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
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	<htmltext><p>on trains that they've taken to running female only trains</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-only\_passenger\_car" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-only\_passenger\_car</a> [wikipedia.org] </p><blockquote><div><p>Groping in crowded commuter trains has been a problem in Japan; according to a survey conducted by Tokyo Metropolitan Police and East Japan Railway Company, two-thirds of female passengers in their twenties and thirties reported that they had been groped on trains, and the majority had been victimized frequently. Authorities have been unable to control the chikan activities, as trains are too crowded to identify the perpetrators, courts have traditionally been lenient, and victims are too often ashamed to come forward.[4] The police and railway companies responded with poster campaigns to raise awareness and tougher sentences, but have been unable to reverse the trend.[5] In 2004, the Tokyo police reported a threefold increase in reported cases of groping on public transportation over eight years.[6]</p><p>meanwhile, in new york city, i have heard of two gropings in the last 2 years in new york city's subways. both men were promptly photographed by cell phones by the women involved, reported to the police AND had their pictures spread all over the newspapers, and charged heavily when inevitably caught</p><p>male sexual transgression is high in japan, its just that a lot of women don't say anything about it out of shame, or perhaps acceptance (shudder). i know what you are trying to say about the cathartic nature of sexual media, but japan is a poor example for you to consider, it has a sexist culture</p></div></blockquote></div>
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<tokenext>on trains that they 've taken to running female only trainshttp : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-only \ _passenger \ _car [ wikipedia.org ] Groping in crowded commuter trains has been a problem in Japan ; according to a survey conducted by Tokyo Metropolitan Police and East Japan Railway Company , two-thirds of female passengers in their twenties and thirties reported that they had been groped on trains , and the majority had been victimized frequently .
Authorities have been unable to control the chikan activities , as trains are too crowded to identify the perpetrators , courts have traditionally been lenient , and victims are too often ashamed to come forward .
[ 4 ] The police and railway companies responded with poster campaigns to raise awareness and tougher sentences , but have been unable to reverse the trend .
[ 5 ] In 2004 , the Tokyo police reported a threefold increase in reported cases of groping on public transportation over eight years .
[ 6 ] meanwhile , in new york city , i have heard of two gropings in the last 2 years in new york city 's subways .
both men were promptly photographed by cell phones by the women involved , reported to the police AND had their pictures spread all over the newspapers , and charged heavily when inevitably caughtmale sexual transgression is high in japan , its just that a lot of women do n't say anything about it out of shame , or perhaps acceptance ( shudder ) .
i know what you are trying to say about the cathartic nature of sexual media , but japan is a poor example for you to consider , it has a sexist culture</tokentext>
<sentencetext>on trains that they've taken to running female only trainshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-only\_passenger\_car [wikipedia.org] Groping in crowded commuter trains has been a problem in Japan; according to a survey conducted by Tokyo Metropolitan Police and East Japan Railway Company, two-thirds of female passengers in their twenties and thirties reported that they had been groped on trains, and the majority had been victimized frequently.
Authorities have been unable to control the chikan activities, as trains are too crowded to identify the perpetrators, courts have traditionally been lenient, and victims are too often ashamed to come forward.
[4] The police and railway companies responded with poster campaigns to raise awareness and tougher sentences, but have been unable to reverse the trend.
[5] In 2004, the Tokyo police reported a threefold increase in reported cases of groping on public transportation over eight years.
[6]meanwhile, in new york city, i have heard of two gropings in the last 2 years in new york city's subways.
both men were promptly photographed by cell phones by the women involved, reported to the police AND had their pictures spread all over the newspapers, and charged heavily when inevitably caughtmale sexual transgression is high in japan, its just that a lot of women don't say anything about it out of shame, or perhaps acceptance (shudder).
i know what you are trying to say about the cathartic nature of sexual media, but japan is a poor example for you to consider, it has a sexist culture
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	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>br4nd0nh3at</author>
	<datestamp>1244452620000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Sometimes I really hate human beings.  Whether the game helps or not is not the question, rape is detestable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes I really hate human beings .
Whether the game helps or not is not the question , rape is detestable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes I really hate human beings.
Whether the game helps or not is not the question, rape is detestable.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Now get rid of the real rapists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244404080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Now they need to get rid of the real rapists stationed at Okinawa.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now they need to get rid of the real rapists stationed at Okinawa .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now they need to get rid of the real rapists stationed at Okinawa.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Protect the innocent!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I think its important to put this in context. How is a rape game different than an FPS? 1) In a FPS one does not objectify, and degrade a specific minority. 2) In a FPS one does not get off sexually by committing murder. A better analogue would be an FPS where you play as the KKK, kill niggers and then ejaculate on them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think its important to put this in context .
How is a rape game different than an FPS ?
1 ) In a FPS one does not objectify , and degrade a specific minority .
2 ) In a FPS one does not get off sexually by committing murder .
A better analogue would be an FPS where you play as the KKK , kill niggers and then ejaculate on them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think its important to put this in context.
How is a rape game different than an FPS?
1) In a FPS one does not objectify, and degrade a specific minority.
2) In a FPS one does not get off sexually by committing murder.
A better analogue would be an FPS where you play as the KKK, kill niggers and then ejaculate on them.</sentencetext>
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	<title>life should be simple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244492580000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>--==* Sugarbabymeet.C'om *==-- It's where Sugarbaby (women who are mature, rich and experienced) and men who like them can meet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>-- = = * Sugarbabymeet.C'om * = = -- It 's where Sugarbaby ( women who are mature , rich and experienced ) and men who like them can meet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>--==* Sugarbabymeet.C'om *==-- It's where Sugarbaby (women who are mature, rich and experienced) and men who like them can meet.</sentencetext>
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	<title>We need to draw the line somewhere.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p>If we don't ban games with rape, then it will get worse. Eventually they might start coming out with games where people kill each other!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we do n't ban games with rape , then it will get worse .
Eventually they might start coming out with games where people kill each other !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we don't ban games with rape, then it will get worse.
Eventually they might start coming out with games where people kill each other!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28250377</id>
	<title>Re:And in real life...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244472600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately in Japan reporting a rape is worse than not reporting in many cases.  A "nice" girl might never get married if she was known to have been raped.  And often the police will ask you questions about your sexual history and just assume you asked for it if you're a "loose woman".</p><p>I'm not saying rape is certainly committed as much as it is in the U.S., but the stigma against the victim in Japan is much stronger.  "She asked for it" is still common.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately in Japan reporting a rape is worse than not reporting in many cases .
A " nice " girl might never get married if she was known to have been raped .
And often the police will ask you questions about your sexual history and just assume you asked for it if you 're a " loose woman " .I 'm not saying rape is certainly committed as much as it is in the U.S. , but the stigma against the victim in Japan is much stronger .
" She asked for it " is still common .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately in Japan reporting a rape is worse than not reporting in many cases.
A "nice" girl might never get married if she was known to have been raped.
And often the police will ask you questions about your sexual history and just assume you asked for it if you're a "loose woman".I'm not saying rape is certainly committed as much as it is in the U.S., but the stigma against the victim in Japan is much stronger.
"She asked for it" is still common.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248627</id>
	<title>It's the truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244457000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As much as I hate censorship, I must admit that Japan has an incredible amount of sexual deviants. Maybe there's a connection.</p><p>I mean when you want to see a girl shove a live lamprey up her arse, give a blowjob to a dog, and piss on a new born baby all in the same video you look in the Japanese porn section of your local library. You DO NOT look in the American section.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as I hate censorship , I must admit that Japan has an incredible amount of sexual deviants .
Maybe there 's a connection.I mean when you want to see a girl shove a live lamprey up her arse , give a blowjob to a dog , and piss on a new born baby all in the same video you look in the Japanese porn section of your local library .
You DO NOT look in the American section .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as I hate censorship, I must admit that Japan has an incredible amount of sexual deviants.
Maybe there's a connection.I mean when you want to see a girl shove a live lamprey up her arse, give a blowjob to a dog, and piss on a new born baby all in the same video you look in the Japanese porn section of your local library.
You DO NOT look in the American section.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28251573</id>
	<title>428 comments later...</title>
	<author>(arg!)Styopa</author>
	<datestamp>1244478600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...PT Barnum is proved right: there IS no such thing as bad publicity.</p><p>Anyone want to guess what became the most downloaded/torrented game this morning?</p><p>Deviant fringe sex behavior (whacking to images of CGI girls being raped) -even though it actually directly harms nobody- is abhorrent, sure.  But I'm uncomfortable with the idea of banning it because then you have the difficult question about consensus and control: at what point does societal consensus kick in, and if enough of us agree, we can force our behavior preferences on someone?  Is 99\% cultural agreement required, or only 90\%?  80\%? 52\%?</p><p>There are some communities where I bet I could find 95\%+ agreement that homosexuality in general should be banned in PRECISELY the same context.  Do those 95\% get to tell the other 5\% what to do?</p><p>Of course the alternative is equally problematic: does this mean that anything that doesn't ACTUALLY hurt someone is ALLOWED....?  Are we really asserting that a given cultural group is not morally allowed to assert any sort sort of cogent preferences?  Are we saying that "culture" as a concept is indefensible in the enlightened postmodern era?  To restate in reverse the last question from the previous paragraph, how small a minority is ethically entitled to their own 'way'?  Can a single family or couple insist that they be allowed to do what they want contrary to the will of the ENTIRE rest of the community?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...PT Barnum is proved right : there IS no such thing as bad publicity.Anyone want to guess what became the most downloaded/torrented game this morning ? Deviant fringe sex behavior ( whacking to images of CGI girls being raped ) -even though it actually directly harms nobody- is abhorrent , sure .
But I 'm uncomfortable with the idea of banning it because then you have the difficult question about consensus and control : at what point does societal consensus kick in , and if enough of us agree , we can force our behavior preferences on someone ?
Is 99 \ % cultural agreement required , or only 90 \ % ?
80 \ % ? 52 \ % ? There are some communities where I bet I could find 95 \ % + agreement that homosexuality in general should be banned in PRECISELY the same context .
Do those 95 \ % get to tell the other 5 \ % what to do ? Of course the alternative is equally problematic : does this mean that anything that does n't ACTUALLY hurt someone is ALLOWED.... ?
Are we really asserting that a given cultural group is not morally allowed to assert any sort sort of cogent preferences ?
Are we saying that " culture " as a concept is indefensible in the enlightened postmodern era ?
To restate in reverse the last question from the previous paragraph , how small a minority is ethically entitled to their own 'way ' ?
Can a single family or couple insist that they be allowed to do what they want contrary to the will of the ENTIRE rest of the community ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...PT Barnum is proved right: there IS no such thing as bad publicity.Anyone want to guess what became the most downloaded/torrented game this morning?Deviant fringe sex behavior (whacking to images of CGI girls being raped) -even though it actually directly harms nobody- is abhorrent, sure.
But I'm uncomfortable with the idea of banning it because then you have the difficult question about consensus and control: at what point does societal consensus kick in, and if enough of us agree, we can force our behavior preferences on someone?
Is 99\% cultural agreement required, or only 90\%?
80\%? 52\%?There are some communities where I bet I could find 95\%+ agreement that homosexuality in general should be banned in PRECISELY the same context.
Do those 95\% get to tell the other 5\% what to do?Of course the alternative is equally problematic: does this mean that anything that doesn't ACTUALLY hurt someone is ALLOWED....?
Are we really asserting that a given cultural group is not morally allowed to assert any sort sort of cogent preferences?
Are we saying that "culture" as a concept is indefensible in the enlightened postmodern era?
To restate in reverse the last question from the previous paragraph, how small a minority is ethically entitled to their own 'way'?
Can a single family or couple insist that they be allowed to do what they want contrary to the will of the ENTIRE rest of the community?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28259681</id>
	<title>Re:RapeMurder?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244470620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a previous posted already noted: there are justifiable reasons to kill a person (self defense, for example).  There is never a justifiable reason to rape a person.  A game that asks a player to participate in rape is inexcusable while asking the player to murder someone could, possibly, come with a justification.</p><p>You shoot zombies because they are trying to eat your brains.<br>You shoot captors because they are trying to torture / kill you.<br>You shoot combatants because they are trying to kill you.</p><p>These are all justified by self-defense.</p><p>You rape a 12-year old girl because....</p><p>is never socially acceptable.  If you have trouble understanding that, perhaps you should seek professional help.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a previous posted already noted : there are justifiable reasons to kill a person ( self defense , for example ) .
There is never a justifiable reason to rape a person .
A game that asks a player to participate in rape is inexcusable while asking the player to murder someone could , possibly , come with a justification.You shoot zombies because they are trying to eat your brains.You shoot captors because they are trying to torture / kill you.You shoot combatants because they are trying to kill you.These are all justified by self-defense.You rape a 12-year old girl because....is never socially acceptable .
If you have trouble understanding that , perhaps you should seek professional help .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a previous posted already noted: there are justifiable reasons to kill a person (self defense, for example).
There is never a justifiable reason to rape a person.
A game that asks a player to participate in rape is inexcusable while asking the player to murder someone could, possibly, come with a justification.You shoot zombies because they are trying to eat your brains.You shoot captors because they are trying to torture / kill you.You shoot combatants because they are trying to kill you.These are all justified by self-defense.You rape a 12-year old girl because....is never socially acceptable.
If you have trouble understanding that, perhaps you should seek professional help.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247971</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, makes sense</title>
	<author>daniel\_mcl</author>
	<datestamp>1244493300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish I'd been there the day in debate class where they taught me how to make the argument that my opponent's position was "soul deadening," on the authority, no less, of "every mature, moral person."  It seems like a pretty powerful argument, after all: anyone who would even attempt to dispute your position is then either immature or immoral, and in either case universally despised, which has to put a serious dent in his standing to argue his point with the likes of an ethical powerhouse of your eminence.</p><p>Indeed, your argument is so powerful that it shows us that Voltaire, previously thought to be one of the great ethical minds, is in fact a blubbering degenerate -- after all, his resolve to fight for free expression even for distasteful or outrageous opinions is by your argument tantamount to directly acting out the furthest slippery-slope consequences of those expressions.</p><p>Another thing I've learned from you just now is that abstract arguments do not apply to concrete situations.  For instance, I may believe in freedom of religion in the abstract, but when a Muslim moves in next door all bets are off -- after all, there is now the concrete threat of my family being the victim of a "holy war," which trumps my ideals (and for that matter statistics) and tells me that I need to take action.</p><p>Truth be told, you're (perhaps unintentionally) basing your ethics around what makes you feel outraged or uncomfortable, rather than on ideals or on lucid consideration of how cause leads to effect.  Forget the twentysomething videogame addicts -- even the core audience for Hannah Montana can tell you that right and wrong are universal and that you don't get to make exceptions based on your personal likes and dislikes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish I 'd been there the day in debate class where they taught me how to make the argument that my opponent 's position was " soul deadening , " on the authority , no less , of " every mature , moral person .
" It seems like a pretty powerful argument , after all : anyone who would even attempt to dispute your position is then either immature or immoral , and in either case universally despised , which has to put a serious dent in his standing to argue his point with the likes of an ethical powerhouse of your eminence.Indeed , your argument is so powerful that it shows us that Voltaire , previously thought to be one of the great ethical minds , is in fact a blubbering degenerate -- after all , his resolve to fight for free expression even for distasteful or outrageous opinions is by your argument tantamount to directly acting out the furthest slippery-slope consequences of those expressions.Another thing I 've learned from you just now is that abstract arguments do not apply to concrete situations .
For instance , I may believe in freedom of religion in the abstract , but when a Muslim moves in next door all bets are off -- after all , there is now the concrete threat of my family being the victim of a " holy war , " which trumps my ideals ( and for that matter statistics ) and tells me that I need to take action.Truth be told , you 're ( perhaps unintentionally ) basing your ethics around what makes you feel outraged or uncomfortable , rather than on ideals or on lucid consideration of how cause leads to effect .
Forget the twentysomething videogame addicts -- even the core audience for Hannah Montana can tell you that right and wrong are universal and that you do n't get to make exceptions based on your personal likes and dislikes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish I'd been there the day in debate class where they taught me how to make the argument that my opponent's position was "soul deadening," on the authority, no less, of "every mature, moral person.
"  It seems like a pretty powerful argument, after all: anyone who would even attempt to dispute your position is then either immature or immoral, and in either case universally despised, which has to put a serious dent in his standing to argue his point with the likes of an ethical powerhouse of your eminence.Indeed, your argument is so powerful that it shows us that Voltaire, previously thought to be one of the great ethical minds, is in fact a blubbering degenerate -- after all, his resolve to fight for free expression even for distasteful or outrageous opinions is by your argument tantamount to directly acting out the furthest slippery-slope consequences of those expressions.Another thing I've learned from you just now is that abstract arguments do not apply to concrete situations.
For instance, I may believe in freedom of religion in the abstract, but when a Muslim moves in next door all bets are off -- after all, there is now the concrete threat of my family being the victim of a "holy war," which trumps my ideals (and for that matter statistics) and tells me that I need to take action.Truth be told, you're (perhaps unintentionally) basing your ethics around what makes you feel outraged or uncomfortable, rather than on ideals or on lucid consideration of how cause leads to effect.
Forget the twentysomething videogame addicts -- even the core audience for Hannah Montana can tell you that right and wrong are universal and that you don't get to make exceptions based on your personal likes and dislikes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247811</id>
	<title>Horrifically bad summary / links from wiki</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244491440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Typical for weeaboos.
EOCS is merely one group of (self)18-rated PC game producing companies - they've done things like ban having characters under 18 before, which lead to a huge number of companies leaving.
I'm also trying to work out what the difference between "eroge" and "dating simulators" is - the submitter probablys means girl-games (garuge) i.e. games with a strong romantic component to them. Romance and pornography are in no way related in the Japanese markets - there are plenty of games that focus on sex and eroticism with no story component - as far as I know this includes all of Illusion's games.
Wonder if this will lead me to being quoted in a (major?) US newspaper as an expert on Japanse video games again...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Typical for weeaboos .
EOCS is merely one group of ( self ) 18-rated PC game producing companies - they 've done things like ban having characters under 18 before , which lead to a huge number of companies leaving .
I 'm also trying to work out what the difference between " eroge " and " dating simulators " is - the submitter probablys means girl-games ( garuge ) i.e .
games with a strong romantic component to them .
Romance and pornography are in no way related in the Japanese markets - there are plenty of games that focus on sex and eroticism with no story component - as far as I know this includes all of Illusion 's games .
Wonder if this will lead me to being quoted in a ( major ?
) US newspaper as an expert on Japanse video games again.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typical for weeaboos.
EOCS is merely one group of (self)18-rated PC game producing companies - they've done things like ban having characters under 18 before, which lead to a huge number of companies leaving.
I'm also trying to work out what the difference between "eroge" and "dating simulators" is - the submitter probablys means girl-games (garuge) i.e.
games with a strong romantic component to them.
Romance and pornography are in no way related in the Japanese markets - there are plenty of games that focus on sex and eroticism with no story component - as far as I know this includes all of Illusion's games.
Wonder if this will lead me to being quoted in a (major?
) US newspaper as an expert on Japanse video games again...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248303</id>
	<title>Re:WHY??????</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244453160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if it disgusts you, you have to realize there are people in this world who have weird ideas.</p><p>One of my legal guardians grew up in an abusive home and she taught me that letting a sick person fulfil their fantasy in a controlled, safe, manner is a far healthier outcome than letting that adult harm a child.</p><p>Despite the "protect the children" advocates, there's no way they can protect every child 100\% of the time.  If someone their jollies off a comic book, that's ok.  However we do have to be careful of those who take it to the next level irregardless and harm a child.  But that's a statistically smaller percentage than the casual risque-manga fanbase.</p><p>Though I will admit I've never seen a comic/manga use characters *that* age, most are young-adults.  Even if they don't look old (certain body hairs are never drawn or are taboo in Japanese manga).  So most of the relatively flat-chested characters have a mid &amp; lower-body like the Pilsbury doughboy (simply shape, no hair).  Else they'd be drawn very top-heavy and buxom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if it disgusts you , you have to realize there are people in this world who have weird ideas.One of my legal guardians grew up in an abusive home and she taught me that letting a sick person fulfil their fantasy in a controlled , safe , manner is a far healthier outcome than letting that adult harm a child.Despite the " protect the children " advocates , there 's no way they can protect every child 100 \ % of the time .
If someone their jollies off a comic book , that 's ok. However we do have to be careful of those who take it to the next level irregardless and harm a child .
But that 's a statistically smaller percentage than the casual risque-manga fanbase.Though I will admit I 've never seen a comic/manga use characters * that * age , most are young-adults .
Even if they do n't look old ( certain body hairs are never drawn or are taboo in Japanese manga ) .
So most of the relatively flat-chested characters have a mid &amp; lower-body like the Pilsbury doughboy ( simply shape , no hair ) .
Else they 'd be drawn very top-heavy and buxom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if it disgusts you, you have to realize there are people in this world who have weird ideas.One of my legal guardians grew up in an abusive home and she taught me that letting a sick person fulfil their fantasy in a controlled, safe, manner is a far healthier outcome than letting that adult harm a child.Despite the "protect the children" advocates, there's no way they can protect every child 100\% of the time.
If someone their jollies off a comic book, that's ok.  However we do have to be careful of those who take it to the next level irregardless and harm a child.
But that's a statistically smaller percentage than the casual risque-manga fanbase.Though I will admit I've never seen a comic/manga use characters *that* age, most are young-adults.
Even if they don't look old (certain body hairs are never drawn or are taboo in Japanese manga).
So most of the relatively flat-chested characters have a mid &amp; lower-body like the Pilsbury doughboy (simply shape, no hair).
Else they'd be drawn very top-heavy and buxom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248875</id>
	<title>That's not the Japanese ESRB</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244459940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>EOCS is concerned only with adult/erotic games. The Japanese equivalent of the ESRB is CERO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>EOCS is concerned only with adult/erotic games .
The Japanese equivalent of the ESRB is CERO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EOCS is concerned only with adult/erotic games.
The Japanese equivalent of the ESRB is CERO.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28253355</id>
	<title>Re:Morals and all that jazz</title>
	<author>misexistentialist</author>
	<datestamp>1244487120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men's pleasure</p></div><p>To a certain extent this is true, since life is reproduction. Women are often shocked that men "only want them for sex," but really that is where everything begins, with companionship etc. being a means or a secondary effect. So it seems your professor wants to ban the truth, since he is invested in a particular view of human self-actualization; and even though there is no evidence of "self-censorship" in the age of pornography, when women are less oppressed than they have been in human history.<br> <br>

In any case, it's ridiculous to have the government outlaw something to protect the hypothetical mental state of some group. Personally, I'd like to see most bras banned, since they emasculate and generally have a negative effect on men; but I support feminist and lesbian movements rather than government legislation to achieve this end.</p></div>
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<tokenext>the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men 's pleasureTo a certain extent this is true , since life is reproduction .
Women are often shocked that men " only want them for sex , " but really that is where everything begins , with companionship etc .
being a means or a secondary effect .
So it seems your professor wants to ban the truth , since he is invested in a particular view of human self-actualization ; and even though there is no evidence of " self-censorship " in the age of pornography , when women are less oppressed than they have been in human history .
In any case , it 's ridiculous to have the government outlaw something to protect the hypothetical mental state of some group .
Personally , I 'd like to see most bras banned , since they emasculate and generally have a negative effect on men ; but I support feminist and lesbian movements rather than government legislation to achieve this end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men's pleasureTo a certain extent this is true, since life is reproduction.
Women are often shocked that men "only want them for sex," but really that is where everything begins, with companionship etc.
being a means or a secondary effect.
So it seems your professor wants to ban the truth, since he is invested in a particular view of human self-actualization; and even though there is no evidence of "self-censorship" in the age of pornography, when women are less oppressed than they have been in human history.
In any case, it's ridiculous to have the government outlaw something to protect the hypothetical mental state of some group.
Personally, I'd like to see most bras banned, since they emasculate and generally have a negative effect on men; but I support feminist and lesbian movements rather than government legislation to achieve this end.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28262343</id>
	<title>Re:Nintendo all the way!</title>
	<author>druidimmolation</author>
	<datestamp>1244577660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are forgetting the goombas. Poor little things constantly being flattened by Mario's hairy italian ass. At least the koopas had their shells to hide in.

Won't someone please think of the goombas!</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are forgetting the goombas .
Poor little things constantly being flattened by Mario 's hairy italian ass .
At least the koopas had their shells to hide in .
Wo n't someone please think of the goombas !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are forgetting the goombas.
Poor little things constantly being flattened by Mario's hairy italian ass.
At least the koopas had their shells to hide in.
Won't someone please think of the goombas!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249583</id>
	<title>Re:cartoons are NOT "child pornography"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244467620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Punish the guilty". Nice turn of phrase. <b>Just declare something you don't like is criminal, assume anyone charged with looking at it is "guilty"</b>, and proceed directly to punishment.</p></div><p>This is, and always will be, the norm.<br>In every modern society, there are groups that believe so strongly about something that they are incapable of seeing an alternative.<br>examples:<br>Those so dead-set against child pornography that they see it in everything from Bugs Bunny to anime.<br>Anti-abortionists declaring that a human being is a human being at the moment of conception.<br>Religious fanatics believing that the world was created, instead of developing over millions of years.</p><p>in each example, there is a group of people that cannot, or will not, try to understand the other side of the equation.  They see their view as the "Right" view, and everything else is "Wrong" and must be banned/fought/destroyed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Punish the guilty " .
Nice turn of phrase .
Just declare something you do n't like is criminal , assume anyone charged with looking at it is " guilty " , and proceed directly to punishment.This is , and always will be , the norm.In every modern society , there are groups that believe so strongly about something that they are incapable of seeing an alternative.examples : Those so dead-set against child pornography that they see it in everything from Bugs Bunny to anime.Anti-abortionists declaring that a human being is a human being at the moment of conception.Religious fanatics believing that the world was created , instead of developing over millions of years.in each example , there is a group of people that can not , or will not , try to understand the other side of the equation .
They see their view as the " Right " view , and everything else is " Wrong " and must be banned/fought/destroyed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Punish the guilty".
Nice turn of phrase.
Just declare something you don't like is criminal, assume anyone charged with looking at it is "guilty", and proceed directly to punishment.This is, and always will be, the norm.In every modern society, there are groups that believe so strongly about something that they are incapable of seeing an alternative.examples:Those so dead-set against child pornography that they see it in everything from Bugs Bunny to anime.Anti-abortionists declaring that a human being is a human being at the moment of conception.Religious fanatics believing that the world was created, instead of developing over millions of years.in each example, there is a group of people that cannot, or will not, try to understand the other side of the equation.
They see their view as the "Right" view, and everything else is "Wrong" and must be banned/fought/destroyed.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247935</id>
	<title>I am shocked!</title>
	<author>davevr</author>
	<datestamp>1244492880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am shocked.  After reading the article and a little more about EOCS organization, it seems that Japan makes some games that do NOT involve rape.  Who would have guessed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am shocked .
After reading the article and a little more about EOCS organization , it seems that Japan makes some games that do NOT involve rape .
Who would have guessed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am shocked.
After reading the article and a little more about EOCS organization, it seems that Japan makes some games that do NOT involve rape.
Who would have guessed?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248183</id>
	<title>RapeMurder?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244452080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they ban all games/movies/comics/books where someone gets killed, a very small subset of all will remain. But still, if you are worried about rape you should be more about killing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they ban all games/movies/comics/books where someone gets killed , a very small subset of all will remain .
But still , if you are worried about rape you should be more about killing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they ban all games/movies/comics/books where someone gets killed, a very small subset of all will remain.
But still, if you are worried about rape you should be more about killing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248519</id>
	<title>Re:"Goodcall" "goodidea"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244455740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's mob mentality at it's finest.  One doesn't want to look like the guy who would support a rape game, so he denounces it.  Others in the same position make the same choice.  Anyone offering any sense to the mob is labelled a virtual rapist, and universally chastised, regardless of their personal position on virtual rape.  The enemy is thus known, and thus, the world keeps turning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's mob mentality at it 's finest .
One does n't want to look like the guy who would support a rape game , so he denounces it .
Others in the same position make the same choice .
Anyone offering any sense to the mob is labelled a virtual rapist , and universally chastised , regardless of their personal position on virtual rape .
The enemy is thus known , and thus , the world keeps turning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's mob mentality at it's finest.
One doesn't want to look like the guy who would support a rape game, so he denounces it.
Others in the same position make the same choice.
Anyone offering any sense to the mob is labelled a virtual rapist, and universally chastised, regardless of their personal position on virtual rape.
The enemy is thus known, and thus, the world keeps turning.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247605</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248101</id>
	<title>Re:I know what's gonna happen now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244494620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the game is shit either way. i couldn't figure out how to do anything on the first train platform not to mention any kind of  raping<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(

now that i think of it. maybe it's a deterrent - just like in real life you see a girl you want to fuck standing on the platform and you are to paralysed to do anything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the game is shit either way .
i could n't figure out how to do anything on the first train platform not to mention any kind of raping : - ( now that i think of it .
maybe it 's a deterrent - just like in real life you see a girl you want to fuck standing on the platform and you are to paralysed to do anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the game is shit either way.
i couldn't figure out how to do anything on the first train platform not to mention any kind of  raping :-(

now that i think of it.
maybe it's a deterrent - just like in real life you see a girl you want to fuck standing on the platform and you are to paralysed to do anything.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247539</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247751</id>
	<title>Yes, makes sense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244404380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've read a lot of ridiculous contortions on Slashdot, trying to depict realistic video game violence as pedestrian free speech, having no effect on society, even salutory for society.  And I do realize that the intellectual giants behind a lot of this stuff are 24-year-old kids for whom video games and Taco Bell are still Very Important elements of their lives.</p><p>But when you get faced with more and more concrete examples of marketed, play-acted extreme violence, which keep trying to outdo each other, and which any mature, moral person apprehends as soul-deadening, and these kids still choose to stay wrapped in their simple ideologies and keep defending it....you really have to write the lot of them off completely.</p><p>Next up:  game where the player tries to capture, rape, and torture the children and families of tech blog editors with adolescent ethical development.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've read a lot of ridiculous contortions on Slashdot , trying to depict realistic video game violence as pedestrian free speech , having no effect on society , even salutory for society .
And I do realize that the intellectual giants behind a lot of this stuff are 24-year-old kids for whom video games and Taco Bell are still Very Important elements of their lives.But when you get faced with more and more concrete examples of marketed , play-acted extreme violence , which keep trying to outdo each other , and which any mature , moral person apprehends as soul-deadening , and these kids still choose to stay wrapped in their simple ideologies and keep defending it....you really have to write the lot of them off completely.Next up : game where the player tries to capture , rape , and torture the children and families of tech blog editors with adolescent ethical development .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've read a lot of ridiculous contortions on Slashdot, trying to depict realistic video game violence as pedestrian free speech, having no effect on society, even salutory for society.
And I do realize that the intellectual giants behind a lot of this stuff are 24-year-old kids for whom video games and Taco Bell are still Very Important elements of their lives.But when you get faced with more and more concrete examples of marketed, play-acted extreme violence, which keep trying to outdo each other, and which any mature, moral person apprehends as soul-deadening, and these kids still choose to stay wrapped in their simple ideologies and keep defending it....you really have to write the lot of them off completely.Next up:  game where the player tries to capture, rape, and torture the children and families of tech blog editors with adolescent ethical development.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249353</id>
	<title>Re:Rape in Hentai?!! A striking and new developeme</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244465520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The little slut likes it. You can tell by her cries of passion as she is fucked.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The little slut likes it .
You can tell by her cries of passion as she is fucked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The little slut likes it.
You can tell by her cries of passion as she is fucked.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247829</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247775</id>
	<title>And in real life...</title>
	<author>LainTouko</author>
	<datestamp>1244404740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps this US ambassador should consider the comparitive figures for actual rape of real people who really exist in America and Japan.</p><p>Surely this difference is far too big to be explained purely as a reporting bias. 34.20 compared to 1.48 per 100,000 people, first figures I found. It's pretty clear that giving potential rapists the ability to do so in a fictional environment where they do not hurt any real people is a good way of making them less likely to do it for real. "Don't hurt anyone, that would be bad" is a better way of getting people not to hurt anyone than "revealing your fantasies makes you damned whether you hurt anyone or not."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps this US ambassador should consider the comparitive figures for actual rape of real people who really exist in America and Japan.Surely this difference is far too big to be explained purely as a reporting bias .
34.20 compared to 1.48 per 100,000 people , first figures I found .
It 's pretty clear that giving potential rapists the ability to do so in a fictional environment where they do not hurt any real people is a good way of making them less likely to do it for real .
" Do n't hurt anyone , that would be bad " is a better way of getting people not to hurt anyone than " revealing your fantasies makes you damned whether you hurt anyone or not .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps this US ambassador should consider the comparitive figures for actual rape of real people who really exist in America and Japan.Surely this difference is far too big to be explained purely as a reporting bias.
34.20 compared to 1.48 per 100,000 people, first figures I found.
It's pretty clear that giving potential rapists the ability to do so in a fictional environment where they do not hurt any real people is a good way of making them less likely to do it for real.
"Don't hurt anyone, that would be bad" is a better way of getting people not to hurt anyone than "revealing your fantasies makes you damned whether you hurt anyone or not.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248655</id>
	<title>Re:Errant Legistation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244457240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think killing is terrible, and it disgusts me that people want to play games that simulate such things.</p><p>They should ban games involving drugs too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think killing is terrible , and it disgusts me that people want to play games that simulate such things.They should ban games involving drugs too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think killing is terrible, and it disgusts me that people want to play games that simulate such things.They should ban games involving drugs too!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248035</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247539</id>
	<title>I know what's gonna happen now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244401740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn, the torrenting of this game is gonna skyrocket after the article. Teh forbidden fruit in action.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn , the torrenting of this game is gon na skyrocket after the article .
Teh forbidden fruit in action .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn, the torrenting of this game is gonna skyrocket after the article.
Teh forbidden fruit in action.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247605</id>
	<title>"Goodcall" "goodidea"</title>
	<author>Meor</author>
	<datestamp>1244402400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since when has Slashdot trumpeted fascism?  Now we're cheering outlawing things because they're offensive?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when has Slashdot trumpeted fascism ?
Now we 're cheering outlawing things because they 're offensive ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when has Slashdot trumpeted fascism?
Now we're cheering outlawing things because they're offensive?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249459</id>
	<title>Misquote of Typo?</title>
	<author>ramriot</author>
	<datestamp>1244466540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did the former US ambassador to Japan really say:

"Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography. "

Or is this a typo / misquote? I ask because this because it seems to me that the US as one of the G-7 has found many ways to prosecute the innocent, 'Sexting' prosecution of minors for one. They also made the law so strict in the US that even law enforcement cannot possess this material for use as enforcement samplers, having to rely on the dubious merits of File Hash comparisons (which are not provably unique).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did the former US ambassador to Japan really say : " Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography .
" Or is this a typo / misquote ?
I ask because this because it seems to me that the US as one of the G-7 has found many ways to prosecute the innocent , 'Sexting ' prosecution of minors for one .
They also made the law so strict in the US that even law enforcement can not possess this material for use as enforcement samplers , having to rely on the dubious merits of File Hash comparisons ( which are not provably unique ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did the former US ambassador to Japan really say:

"Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography.
"

Or is this a typo / misquote?
I ask because this because it seems to me that the US as one of the G-7 has found many ways to prosecute the innocent, 'Sexting' prosecution of minors for one.
They also made the law so strict in the US that even law enforcement cannot possess this material for use as enforcement samplers, having to rely on the dubious merits of File Hash comparisons (which are not provably unique).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248581</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244456580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But then, rape isn't about sex either.  It's about control over another human being, and taking something from them they can never have back.  Much like killing them.</p><p>However you want to cut it, a rape game is basically The Sims gone horribly, horribly awry.  It's about the illusion of control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But then , rape is n't about sex either .
It 's about control over another human being , and taking something from them they can never have back .
Much like killing them.However you want to cut it , a rape game is basically The Sims gone horribly , horribly awry .
It 's about the illusion of control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But then, rape isn't about sex either.
It's about control over another human being, and taking something from them they can never have back.
Much like killing them.However you want to cut it, a rape game is basically The Sims gone horribly, horribly awry.
It's about the illusion of control.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247891</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247819</id>
	<title>Re:WHY??????</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244491620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Evidently you've never had sex before the age of majority(unsuprising around here) and never had sex involving a cheerleader outfit or pigtails.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Evidently you 've never had sex before the age of majority ( unsuprising around here ) and never had sex involving a cheerleader outfit or pigtails .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Evidently you've never had sex before the age of majority(unsuprising around here) and never had sex involving a cheerleader outfit or pigtails.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247649</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28250071</id>
	<title>Reported rapes</title>
	<author>dj245</author>
	<datestamp>1244470920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Those are *reported* rapes.  I think the list is not all that great, actually.  You will notice that most of the countries at the bottom of the list are countries where women are 2nd class citizens, the police are corrupt, speaking out against men is shameful, or some combination of this.  Rape is an underreported crime everywhere, but if the police were going to rape me if I yelled "rape", then I would probably not report it.
<br> <br>
Yes, I said rape twice.  <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071230/" title="imdb.com">I like rape.</a> [imdb.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those are * reported * rapes .
I think the list is not all that great , actually .
You will notice that most of the countries at the bottom of the list are countries where women are 2nd class citizens , the police are corrupt , speaking out against men is shameful , or some combination of this .
Rape is an underreported crime everywhere , but if the police were going to rape me if I yelled " rape " , then I would probably not report it .
Yes , I said rape twice .
I like rape .
[ imdb.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those are *reported* rapes.
I think the list is not all that great, actually.
You will notice that most of the countries at the bottom of the list are countries where women are 2nd class citizens, the police are corrupt, speaking out against men is shameful, or some combination of this.
Rape is an underreported crime everywhere, but if the police were going to rape me if I yelled "rape", then I would probably not report it.
Yes, I said rape twice.
I like rape.
[imdb.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248669</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248765</id>
	<title>Japanese meeting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244458560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Konnichiwa, gentlemen! We have called for this urgent meeting to discuss two important issues:</p><p>The first is the figures of sexual crimes in our country. As we can see from this graph, they're far lower than those of the United States of America(tm). That is just unacceptable! In order to properly follow the achievements of that great country (and to get better sales of our products there), we must do something to correct this! I propose banning rape games. We all know everyone is playing them (Kimura-san, turn off your handheld until this meeting is over!), so if we ban them, the people will have to become sexually frustrated and start to do things. I also propose a new vending machine with 'used schoolgirls' on every floor of our company HQ. Who's for?</p><p><i>[After a few hours of deciding the right wording for the ban, the color of the paper and the design of the nice egg-shaped case for the document]</i></p><p>Now that that's done, let's proceed to our second issue. The sales of Hello Kitty and Pokemon merchandise are not as satisfying as we hoped...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Konnichiwa , gentlemen !
We have called for this urgent meeting to discuss two important issues : The first is the figures of sexual crimes in our country .
As we can see from this graph , they 're far lower than those of the United States of America ( tm ) .
That is just unacceptable !
In order to properly follow the achievements of that great country ( and to get better sales of our products there ) , we must do something to correct this !
I propose banning rape games .
We all know everyone is playing them ( Kimura-san , turn off your handheld until this meeting is over !
) , so if we ban them , the people will have to become sexually frustrated and start to do things .
I also propose a new vending machine with 'used schoolgirls ' on every floor of our company HQ .
Who 's for ?
[ After a few hours of deciding the right wording for the ban , the color of the paper and the design of the nice egg-shaped case for the document ] Now that that 's done , let 's proceed to our second issue .
The sales of Hello Kitty and Pokemon merchandise are not as satisfying as we hoped.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Konnichiwa, gentlemen!
We have called for this urgent meeting to discuss two important issues:The first is the figures of sexual crimes in our country.
As we can see from this graph, they're far lower than those of the United States of America(tm).
That is just unacceptable!
In order to properly follow the achievements of that great country (and to get better sales of our products there), we must do something to correct this!
I propose banning rape games.
We all know everyone is playing them (Kimura-san, turn off your handheld until this meeting is over!
), so if we ban them, the people will have to become sexually frustrated and start to do things.
I also propose a new vending machine with 'used schoolgirls' on every floor of our company HQ.
Who's for?
[After a few hours of deciding the right wording for the ban, the color of the paper and the design of the nice egg-shaped case for the document]Now that that's done, let's proceed to our second issue.
The sales of Hello Kitty and Pokemon merchandise are not as satisfying as we hoped...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248831</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty of what?</title>
	<author>iiiears</author>
	<datestamp>1244459460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anonymous Coward, Your real name is Daniel right? j/k

 The game is probably much less interesting than this  conversation about it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anonymous Coward , Your real name is Daniel right ?
j/k The game is probably much less interesting than this conversation about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anonymous Coward, Your real name is Daniel right?
j/k

 The game is probably much less interesting than this  conversation about it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247619</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248309</id>
	<title>Our imagination helps create reality</title>
	<author>shanen</author>
	<datestamp>1244453220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why am I not surprised that only one post in the entire discussion (so far) mentions "reality"? This<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. place has really declined over the years...</p><p>Our imagination, the mental images and models that we construct in our minds, these unreal things are not without import. Very often we use them to create reality.</p><p>Amusingly enough, reality persists in being evasive towards our simplifications. It is obviously true that for some people the horrible images are just escapism and those people never attempt to act out their fantasies. In other cases, the harms can be enormous. I think the greatest fantasy-based harm of the recent past is actually the big dick Cheney's faith-based war in Iraq. The economic cost of that fantasy is most optimistically estimated around $1 trillion--but the meter is still running. I suppose the cost in lives is much more important. We have a pretty solid number over 4,000 for American lives--but no one has a solid count for the trivial Iraqi lives. (Having studied a lot of math and a fair bit of sociology, I actually buy into the demographic approach that comes up with a statistical estimate of over 1 million prematurely deceased Iraqis.) All because of Cheney's fantasies? Or was it just for the sake of enriching Haliburton?</p><p>I think these computer games are quite bad because they are more personally involving and easier to follow. However, in recent years I've mostly been wondering about horror-suspense writers who create these super-vicious criminals in their minds--and then skillfully transfer their insane ideas to their readers. I suspect the success of <b> <i>Silence of the Lambs</i> </b> may explain a lot of the bad things that have happened to America and to the world...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why am I not surprised that only one post in the entire discussion ( so far ) mentions " reality " ?
This / .
place has really declined over the years...Our imagination , the mental images and models that we construct in our minds , these unreal things are not without import .
Very often we use them to create reality.Amusingly enough , reality persists in being evasive towards our simplifications .
It is obviously true that for some people the horrible images are just escapism and those people never attempt to act out their fantasies .
In other cases , the harms can be enormous .
I think the greatest fantasy-based harm of the recent past is actually the big dick Cheney 's faith-based war in Iraq .
The economic cost of that fantasy is most optimistically estimated around $ 1 trillion--but the meter is still running .
I suppose the cost in lives is much more important .
We have a pretty solid number over 4,000 for American lives--but no one has a solid count for the trivial Iraqi lives .
( Having studied a lot of math and a fair bit of sociology , I actually buy into the demographic approach that comes up with a statistical estimate of over 1 million prematurely deceased Iraqis .
) All because of Cheney 's fantasies ?
Or was it just for the sake of enriching Haliburton ? I think these computer games are quite bad because they are more personally involving and easier to follow .
However , in recent years I 've mostly been wondering about horror-suspense writers who create these super-vicious criminals in their minds--and then skillfully transfer their insane ideas to their readers .
I suspect the success of Silence of the Lambs may explain a lot of the bad things that have happened to America and to the world.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why am I not surprised that only one post in the entire discussion (so far) mentions "reality"?
This /.
place has really declined over the years...Our imagination, the mental images and models that we construct in our minds, these unreal things are not without import.
Very often we use them to create reality.Amusingly enough, reality persists in being evasive towards our simplifications.
It is obviously true that for some people the horrible images are just escapism and those people never attempt to act out their fantasies.
In other cases, the harms can be enormous.
I think the greatest fantasy-based harm of the recent past is actually the big dick Cheney's faith-based war in Iraq.
The economic cost of that fantasy is most optimistically estimated around $1 trillion--but the meter is still running.
I suppose the cost in lives is much more important.
We have a pretty solid number over 4,000 for American lives--but no one has a solid count for the trivial Iraqi lives.
(Having studied a lot of math and a fair bit of sociology, I actually buy into the demographic approach that comes up with a statistical estimate of over 1 million prematurely deceased Iraqis.
) All because of Cheney's fantasies?
Or was it just for the sake of enriching Haliburton?I think these computer games are quite bad because they are more personally involving and easier to follow.
However, in recent years I've mostly been wondering about horror-suspense writers who create these super-vicious criminals in their minds--and then skillfully transfer their insane ideas to their readers.
I suspect the success of  Silence of the Lambs  may explain a lot of the bad things that have happened to America and to the world...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Morals and all that jazz</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1244451660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"banning guns in the US causes violent crime rates to rise (see: Washington DC)"</p><p>Speaking of rape, you just managed to rape some statistics quite spectacularly.</p><p>Slashdot of all places, where the mantra "Correlation does not imply causation" is repeated regularly is somewhere I would not expect to see quite such a spectular bastardisation of statistic.</p><p>I agree with the sentiment of your post, but please, if you're going to make a point actually use firm evidence to back it up rather than simply resorting to speculation based on mangled statistics else you're effectively no better than the politicians you talk down.</p><p>I know a lot of Americans are touchy about their guns and gun control but come on, that doesn't give you an excuse to stoop to the level of politicians and rape statistics to claim something as fact when it may well not be. Please, you're better than that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" banning guns in the US causes violent crime rates to rise ( see : Washington DC ) " Speaking of rape , you just managed to rape some statistics quite spectacularly.Slashdot of all places , where the mantra " Correlation does not imply causation " is repeated regularly is somewhere I would not expect to see quite such a spectular bastardisation of statistic.I agree with the sentiment of your post , but please , if you 're going to make a point actually use firm evidence to back it up rather than simply resorting to speculation based on mangled statistics else you 're effectively no better than the politicians you talk down.I know a lot of Americans are touchy about their guns and gun control but come on , that does n't give you an excuse to stoop to the level of politicians and rape statistics to claim something as fact when it may well not be .
Please , you 're better than that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"banning guns in the US causes violent crime rates to rise (see: Washington DC)"Speaking of rape, you just managed to rape some statistics quite spectacularly.Slashdot of all places, where the mantra "Correlation does not imply causation" is repeated regularly is somewhere I would not expect to see quite such a spectular bastardisation of statistic.I agree with the sentiment of your post, but please, if you're going to make a point actually use firm evidence to back it up rather than simply resorting to speculation based on mangled statistics else you're effectively no better than the politicians you talk down.I know a lot of Americans are touchy about their guns and gun control but come on, that doesn't give you an excuse to stoop to the level of politicians and rape statistics to claim something as fact when it may well not be.
Please, you're better than that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249179</id>
	<title>Re:The demand for such games??</title>
	<author>asdf7890</author>
	<datestamp>1244463600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe it's because Japan has one of the lowest rape per capita countries.</p></div><p>They have the lowest <i>reported and recorded</i> rape rate. In many places there is a lot of stigma attached to being the victim in these cases so victims are unwilling to come forward if they do they get little support, and from what little I know of modern Japanese culture I would guess that Japan is somewhere where this is a significant problem.</p><p>You can only state that the existence of the games reduces rapes if you can show that their rise has been responsible for a reduction in rapes. Can you point to any research that shows this to be that case?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Maybe it 's because Japan has one of the lowest rape per capita countries.They have the lowest reported and recorded rape rate .
In many places there is a lot of stigma attached to being the victim in these cases so victims are unwilling to come forward if they do they get little support , and from what little I know of modern Japanese culture I would guess that Japan is somewhere where this is a significant problem.You can only state that the existence of the games reduces rapes if you can show that their rise has been responsible for a reduction in rapes .
Can you point to any research that shows this to be that case ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's because Japan has one of the lowest rape per capita countries.They have the lowest reported and recorded rape rate.
In many places there is a lot of stigma attached to being the victim in these cases so victims are unwilling to come forward if they do they get little support, and from what little I know of modern Japanese culture I would guess that Japan is somewhere where this is a significant problem.You can only state that the existence of the games reduces rapes if you can show that their rise has been responsible for a reduction in rapes.
Can you point to any research that shows this to be that case?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248467</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, makes sense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244455020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck\_Hunt" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Duck Hunt</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Duck Hunt [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Duck Hunt [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28250023</id>
	<title>Re:Protect the innocent!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244470620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>"Why are some crimes forbidden to simulate, but violence, shooting people, and murder are fine?"</p><p>Because violence against the right sort of people is delicious to Abrahamic religions. OTOH, strict control and rationing of sex via marriage is part of how they maintain social control.</p><p>The most useful subject of such religions is one whose sexual stress is expressed as violence towards the infidel.</p><p>Before modding this down, have some Taliban or Church of the Creator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Why are some crimes forbidden to simulate , but violence , shooting people , and murder are fine ?
" Because violence against the right sort of people is delicious to Abrahamic religions .
OTOH , strict control and rationing of sex via marriage is part of how they maintain social control.The most useful subject of such religions is one whose sexual stress is expressed as violence towards the infidel.Before modding this down , have some Taliban or Church of the Creator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Why are some crimes forbidden to simulate, but violence, shooting people, and murder are fine?
"Because violence against the right sort of people is delicious to Abrahamic religions.
OTOH, strict control and rationing of sex via marriage is part of how they maintain social control.The most useful subject of such religions is one whose sexual stress is expressed as violence towards the infidel.Before modding this down, have some Taliban or Church of the Creator.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248073</id>
	<title>Re:WHY??????</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1244494380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>To have a "game" promote this as an achievement is disturbing.<br>[...]<br>Promoting such acts should be banned, and anyone who actually performs such an act should be castrated/killed.</i></p><p>Promote?  You do realise that there is no evidence that sexual violence in games promotes sexually violent behaviour?  I'm not aware of any scientific study into games, but studies into sexually violent pornography have generally found no correlation between exposure and instances of rape.</p><p>And as to castration or death being a reasonable punishment for rape, well I'm just kind of glad we don't live in that sort of society any more.  Would you cut off peoples' hands for stealing, too?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To have a " game " promote this as an achievement is disturbing. [ .. .
] Promoting such acts should be banned , and anyone who actually performs such an act should be castrated/killed.Promote ?
You do realise that there is no evidence that sexual violence in games promotes sexually violent behaviour ?
I 'm not aware of any scientific study into games , but studies into sexually violent pornography have generally found no correlation between exposure and instances of rape.And as to castration or death being a reasonable punishment for rape , well I 'm just kind of glad we do n't live in that sort of society any more .
Would you cut off peoples ' hands for stealing , too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To have a "game" promote this as an achievement is disturbing.[...
]Promoting such acts should be banned, and anyone who actually performs such an act should be castrated/killed.Promote?
You do realise that there is no evidence that sexual violence in games promotes sexually violent behaviour?
I'm not aware of any scientific study into games, but studies into sexually violent pornography have generally found no correlation between exposure and instances of rape.And as to castration or death being a reasonable punishment for rape, well I'm just kind of glad we don't live in that sort of society any more.
Would you cut off peoples' hands for stealing, too?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248097</id>
	<title>They should ban with our laws...</title>
	<author>Mishotaki</author>
	<datestamp>1244494560000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>They should ban rape games on 12 year old cartoon girls, why don't they try to stop us from showing genitals in porno?</p><p>People think their laws are way too lax... when they have laws against showing genitals in any media...</p><p>OMG it is illegal to import a game that depicts rape of a 12 years old in the US.... well it is also illegal to import 99\% of the porn that can be obtained in US soil in Japan...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should ban rape games on 12 year old cartoon girls , why do n't they try to stop us from showing genitals in porno ? People think their laws are way too lax... when they have laws against showing genitals in any media...OMG it is illegal to import a game that depicts rape of a 12 years old in the US.... well it is also illegal to import 99 \ % of the porn that can be obtained in US soil in Japan.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should ban rape games on 12 year old cartoon girls, why don't they try to stop us from showing genitals in porno?People think their laws are way too lax... when they have laws against showing genitals in any media...OMG it is illegal to import a game that depicts rape of a 12 years old in the US.... well it is also illegal to import 99\% of the porn that can be obtained in US soil in Japan...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248199</id>
	<title>Re: Wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244452200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Your comment has been judged to not have sufficient purpose, and is not protected by free speech.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your comment has been judged to not have sufficient purpose , and is not protected by free speech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your comment has been judged to not have sufficient purpose, and is not protected by free speech.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247891</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244492400000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I hope I'm not the only one honestly disturbed that rape games have customers.  Funny, as I'm a big fan of GTA4.</p><p>Two issues come to mind:</p><p><b>1. The harm of rape simulation</b></p><p>While there's <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Man-Michael-Ghiglieri/dp/0738203157/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1244444990&amp;sr=8-1" title="amazon.com">evidence</a> [amazon.com] that violence and rape instincts live in ever man (and higher ape, for that matter), instinctively I believe there's difference between simulated rape and violent video games.</p><p>Violent video games are rather cathartic, and serve that need pretty well.  Going around a fake city in a tank and blowing up every douchey car is just wholesome fun.  But what does rape simulation appease?  It's not sex, that's what porn is for.</p><p><b>2. Free speech</b></p><p>Normally I'm a blind attack-dog in favor of free speech.  But here, no, I can't be.  If free speech means anything more than "just let everyone talk," it has to have a purpose behind it -- such as letting different ideas being heard, or letting the truth be heard,  then there has to be a some sorts of speech it encourages, and others it's agnostic to.  I can't think of any case for free speech helped by defending a rape simulator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope I 'm not the only one honestly disturbed that rape games have customers .
Funny , as I 'm a big fan of GTA4.Two issues come to mind : 1 .
The harm of rape simulationWhile there 's evidence [ amazon.com ] that violence and rape instincts live in ever man ( and higher ape , for that matter ) , instinctively I believe there 's difference between simulated rape and violent video games.Violent video games are rather cathartic , and serve that need pretty well .
Going around a fake city in a tank and blowing up every douchey car is just wholesome fun .
But what does rape simulation appease ?
It 's not sex , that 's what porn is for.2 .
Free speechNormally I 'm a blind attack-dog in favor of free speech .
But here , no , I ca n't be .
If free speech means anything more than " just let everyone talk , " it has to have a purpose behind it -- such as letting different ideas being heard , or letting the truth be heard , then there has to be a some sorts of speech it encourages , and others it 's agnostic to .
I ca n't think of any case for free speech helped by defending a rape simulator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope I'm not the only one honestly disturbed that rape games have customers.
Funny, as I'm a big fan of GTA4.Two issues come to mind:1.
The harm of rape simulationWhile there's evidence [amazon.com] that violence and rape instincts live in ever man (and higher ape, for that matter), instinctively I believe there's difference between simulated rape and violent video games.Violent video games are rather cathartic, and serve that need pretty well.
Going around a fake city in a tank and blowing up every douchey car is just wholesome fun.
But what does rape simulation appease?
It's not sex, that's what porn is for.2.
Free speechNormally I'm a blind attack-dog in favor of free speech.
But here, no, I can't be.
If free speech means anything more than "just let everyone talk," it has to have a purpose behind it -- such as letting different ideas being heard, or letting the truth be heard,  then there has to be a some sorts of speech it encourages, and others it's agnostic to.
I can't think of any case for free speech helped by defending a rape simulator.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248237</id>
	<title>Re:cartoons are NOT "child pornography"</title>
	<author>fyoder</author>
	<datestamp>1244452380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Child pornography is abhorred because of the harm done to children in its creation.</p></div><p>Actually, I think it's simpler than that.  It's abhorred because it's abhorrent.  The question is, is that enough to make any depiction, including fiction, illegal.</p><p>The answer has to be no, otherwise freedom of expression is threatened.  Freedom of expression includes expression of things that aren't very nice and which could make a lot of people, even the majority of people, uncomfortable.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Child pornography is abhorred because of the harm done to children in its creation.Actually , I think it 's simpler than that .
It 's abhorred because it 's abhorrent .
The question is , is that enough to make any depiction , including fiction , illegal.The answer has to be no , otherwise freedom of expression is threatened .
Freedom of expression includes expression of things that are n't very nice and which could make a lot of people , even the majority of people , uncomfortable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Child pornography is abhorred because of the harm done to children in its creation.Actually, I think it's simpler than that.
It's abhorred because it's abhorrent.
The question is, is that enough to make any depiction, including fiction, illegal.The answer has to be no, otherwise freedom of expression is threatened.
Freedom of expression includes expression of things that aren't very nice and which could make a lot of people, even the majority of people, uncomfortable.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247767</id>
	<title>Nothing changed really...</title>
	<author>vix86</author>
	<datestamp>1244404680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I saw this earlier last week over at <a href="http://kotaku.com/5275409/rape-games-officially-banned-in-japan" title="kotaku.com" rel="nofollow">kotaku</a> [kotaku.com].TFA didn't mention this but it should be noted that while the EOCS made an official announcement that they would not produce any more "rape"-related games, it only means they have changed the way the material is presented. For example:<br>
<br>
From the Kotaku article:<p><div class="quote"><p>What kind of changes can we expect? Ero game maker Syrup Soft is delaying its upcoming game <i>Gang raped by the entire village ~girls covered in milky liquid~</i> to re-moniker it <i>The trap set by the entire village ~bodies covered in milky liquid~</i>. So, yeah, expect more creative ways of masking rape and rape iconography as well as possibly more "amateur" or unlicensed games.</p></div><p>
So "rape"-related content will still be released in video games but it will simply be masked as something else. This is just like having characters in anime that look like little kids, but claim they are actually adults.Additionally, this right's group might think they have one a victory, but there are still tons of magazines and independent comics (and games) released that are focused on the topic rape.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I saw this earlier last week over at kotaku [ kotaku.com ] .TFA did n't mention this but it should be noted that while the EOCS made an official announcement that they would not produce any more " rape " -related games , it only means they have changed the way the material is presented .
For example : From the Kotaku article : What kind of changes can we expect ?
Ero game maker Syrup Soft is delaying its upcoming game Gang raped by the entire village ~ girls covered in milky liquid ~ to re-moniker it The trap set by the entire village ~ bodies covered in milky liquid ~ .
So , yeah , expect more creative ways of masking rape and rape iconography as well as possibly more " amateur " or unlicensed games .
So " rape " -related content will still be released in video games but it will simply be masked as something else .
This is just like having characters in anime that look like little kids , but claim they are actually adults.Additionally , this right 's group might think they have one a victory , but there are still tons of magazines and independent comics ( and games ) released that are focused on the topic rape .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw this earlier last week over at kotaku [kotaku.com].TFA didn't mention this but it should be noted that while the EOCS made an official announcement that they would not produce any more "rape"-related games, it only means they have changed the way the material is presented.
For example:

From the Kotaku article:What kind of changes can we expect?
Ero game maker Syrup Soft is delaying its upcoming game Gang raped by the entire village ~girls covered in milky liquid~ to re-moniker it The trap set by the entire village ~bodies covered in milky liquid~.
So, yeah, expect more creative ways of masking rape and rape iconography as well as possibly more "amateur" or unlicensed games.
So "rape"-related content will still be released in video games but it will simply be masked as something else.
This is just like having characters in anime that look like little kids, but claim they are actually adults.Additionally, this right's group might think they have one a victory, but there are still tons of magazines and independent comics (and games) released that are focused on the topic rape.
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	<title>... because shooting people in the head is ok!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244456520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>... because shooting people in the head is ok!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... because shooting people in the head is ok !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... because shooting people in the head is ok!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:And in real life...</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1244452260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>What'd also be interesting is to also see how many of those rapes in Japan are performed by foreigners compared to those who have always lived in Japan and been brought up in it's culture.</p><p>Ironically there have been a few cases through the years of Americans committing rape in Japan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 'd also be interesting is to also see how many of those rapes in Japan are performed by foreigners compared to those who have always lived in Japan and been brought up in it 's culture.Ironically there have been a few cases through the years of Americans committing rape in Japan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What'd also be interesting is to also see how many of those rapes in Japan are performed by foreigners compared to those who have always lived in Japan and been brought up in it's culture.Ironically there have been a few cases through the years of Americans committing rape in Japan.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:And in real life...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244452380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>There isn't less rape in Japan. There's just less reported rape.</p><p>Obviously that would be difficult to prove, but it's also difficult to prove that only the numbers that are reported are the numbers that exist.</p><p>Further, in Japan prostitution is either legal, or turned a major blind eye on. I'm not entirely sure which it is, but reading about high school girls selling their body for quick cash in Japan kind of makes me feel it's one or the other. Maybe that's why there's less rape in Japan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is n't less rape in Japan .
There 's just less reported rape.Obviously that would be difficult to prove , but it 's also difficult to prove that only the numbers that are reported are the numbers that exist.Further , in Japan prostitution is either legal , or turned a major blind eye on .
I 'm not entirely sure which it is , but reading about high school girls selling their body for quick cash in Japan kind of makes me feel it 's one or the other .
Maybe that 's why there 's less rape in Japan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There isn't less rape in Japan.
There's just less reported rape.Obviously that would be difficult to prove, but it's also difficult to prove that only the numbers that are reported are the numbers that exist.Further, in Japan prostitution is either legal, or turned a major blind eye on.
I'm not entirely sure which it is, but reading about high school girls selling their body for quick cash in Japan kind of makes me feel it's one or the other.
Maybe that's why there's less rape in Japan.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:And in real life...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p>ok, but established statistics that everyone uses should be relied upon until better data are available from your gut.</p><p>"there is NOTHING a women could do to justify someone raping her"</p><p>Speak for yourself chief. Don't simplify issues due to your own discomfort.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ok , but established statistics that everyone uses should be relied upon until better data are available from your gut .
" there is NOTHING a women could do to justify someone raping her " Speak for yourself chief .
Do n't simplify issues due to your own discomfort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ok, but established statistics that everyone uses should be relied upon until better data are available from your gut.
"there is NOTHING a women could do to justify someone raping her"Speak for yourself chief.
Don't simplify issues due to your own discomfort.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:And in real life...</title>
	<author>grouchomarxist</author>
	<datestamp>1244493780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>This page <a href="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri\_rap\_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita" title="nationmaster.com">http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri\_rap\_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita</a> [nationmaster.com] reports similar numbers. There might be some issues with how the data is collected and there might be a trend for rape to get less reported in Japan, but still the numbers are striking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This page http : //www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri \ _rap \ _percap-crime-rapes-per-capita [ nationmaster.com ] reports similar numbers .
There might be some issues with how the data is collected and there might be a trend for rape to get less reported in Japan , but still the numbers are striking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This page http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri\_rap\_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita [nationmaster.com] reports similar numbers.
There might be some issues with how the data is collected and there might be a trend for rape to get less reported in Japan, but still the numbers are striking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28251363</id>
	<title>Re:Errant Legistation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244477700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think sexual assault is terrible</p></div><p>Wow. Look at Professor Ethics here! Way to stand up on the subtle, difficult issues, dude!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think sexual assault is terribleWow .
Look at Professor Ethics here !
Way to stand up on the subtle , difficult issues , dude !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think sexual assault is terribleWow.
Look at Professor Ethics here!
Way to stand up on the subtle, difficult issues, dude!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248035</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247931</id>
	<title>This is wrong.</title>
	<author>yourassOA</author>
	<datestamp>1244492820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And all of you know it except for the pervs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And all of you know it except for the pervs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And all of you know it except for the pervs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248347</id>
	<title>i do it everyday</title>
	<author>quantzie</author>
	<datestamp>1244453520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I rape women everyday.....with my eyes!!! I imagine them with less and less clothes every moment until I penetrate them with my glare... PLEASE ARREST ME!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I rape women everyday.....with my eyes ! ! !
I imagine them with less and less clothes every moment until I penetrate them with my glare... PLEASE ARREST ME ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I rape women everyday.....with my eyes!!!
I imagine them with less and less clothes every moment until I penetrate them with my glare... PLEASE ARREST ME!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248837</id>
	<title>Re:Rape in Hentai?!! A striking and new developeme</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244459580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While this seems to be a common perception among English-speakers, it's also entirely false. The vast majority of porn in Japan, drawn or otherwise, is entirely consensual. While rape porn is certainly more common than in Western porn, it is nowhere near the majority or even a particularly significant minority.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While this seems to be a common perception among English-speakers , it 's also entirely false .
The vast majority of porn in Japan , drawn or otherwise , is entirely consensual .
While rape porn is certainly more common than in Western porn , it is nowhere near the majority or even a particularly significant minority .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While this seems to be a common perception among English-speakers, it's also entirely false.
The vast majority of porn in Japan, drawn or otherwise, is entirely consensual.
While rape porn is certainly more common than in Western porn, it is nowhere near the majority or even a particularly significant minority.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249431</id>
	<title>Mixed feelings.</title>
	<author>John Pfeiffer</author>
	<datestamp>1244466300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the one hand, I find rape scenarios in eroge to be distasteful... But this is a slippery slope.  Sooner or later, it's going to get to where anyone who doesn't like any given aspect of Japanese visual culture will be able to whip up a frenzy and browbeat Japan into submission over whatever it is.  Like Korea's shit-fit over the NON-EXISTENT portrayal of Korea in Hetalia.  Way to not even know what's going on, fuckers.  Too bad the Japanese gave in and pulled the show...  Oh wait, that wasn't good enough!  They also tried to get the webcasts pulled.  And crazy Koreans were sending death threats to the station, the studio, the mangaka, and really just about anyone they could get an address for.</p><p>Then there's UNICEF's war against 'sexual situations involving underaged characters'...  Again, I find the more extreme end of the lolicon spectrum to be incredibly distasteful... But if they really wanted to pursue their fight to the smallest detail, that's pretty much all of anime.  Since we all know 'anime 18' = 14-16.</p><p>I'm so glad we have all this free time to spend worrying about the well-being of cartoon characters and drawings, ever since we managed to completely abolish rape and child abuse.  Oh, wait.  We didn't.</p><p>Dear UNICEF and other nosey fuckers with too much time on their hands:  Get your priorities straight, or someone even smarter than me is going to string your asses up and use you as a constitutional and judicial pinata.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the one hand , I find rape scenarios in eroge to be distasteful... But this is a slippery slope .
Sooner or later , it 's going to get to where anyone who does n't like any given aspect of Japanese visual culture will be able to whip up a frenzy and browbeat Japan into submission over whatever it is .
Like Korea 's shit-fit over the NON-EXISTENT portrayal of Korea in Hetalia .
Way to not even know what 's going on , fuckers .
Too bad the Japanese gave in and pulled the show... Oh wait , that was n't good enough !
They also tried to get the webcasts pulled .
And crazy Koreans were sending death threats to the station , the studio , the mangaka , and really just about anyone they could get an address for.Then there 's UNICEF 's war against 'sexual situations involving underaged characters'... Again , I find the more extreme end of the lolicon spectrum to be incredibly distasteful... But if they really wanted to pursue their fight to the smallest detail , that 's pretty much all of anime .
Since we all know 'anime 18 ' = 14-16.I 'm so glad we have all this free time to spend worrying about the well-being of cartoon characters and drawings , ever since we managed to completely abolish rape and child abuse .
Oh , wait .
We did n't.Dear UNICEF and other nosey fuckers with too much time on their hands : Get your priorities straight , or someone even smarter than me is going to string your asses up and use you as a constitutional and judicial pinata .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the one hand, I find rape scenarios in eroge to be distasteful... But this is a slippery slope.
Sooner or later, it's going to get to where anyone who doesn't like any given aspect of Japanese visual culture will be able to whip up a frenzy and browbeat Japan into submission over whatever it is.
Like Korea's shit-fit over the NON-EXISTENT portrayal of Korea in Hetalia.
Way to not even know what's going on, fuckers.
Too bad the Japanese gave in and pulled the show...  Oh wait, that wasn't good enough!
They also tried to get the webcasts pulled.
And crazy Koreans were sending death threats to the station, the studio, the mangaka, and really just about anyone they could get an address for.Then there's UNICEF's war against 'sexual situations involving underaged characters'...  Again, I find the more extreme end of the lolicon spectrum to be incredibly distasteful... But if they really wanted to pursue their fight to the smallest detail, that's pretty much all of anime.
Since we all know 'anime 18' = 14-16.I'm so glad we have all this free time to spend worrying about the well-being of cartoon characters and drawings, ever since we managed to completely abolish rape and child abuse.
Oh, wait.
We didn't.Dear UNICEF and other nosey fuckers with too much time on their hands:  Get your priorities straight, or someone even smarter than me is going to string your asses up and use you as a constitutional and judicial pinata.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249263</id>
	<title>Re:Errant Legistation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244464440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is ridiculous that torture is illegal but the threat or use of the death penalty is not.</p><p>People are isolated from dealing with the victim of murder.  While there is emotional interaction with the family there is not a living reminder of the action.</p><p>Rape and torture provide living breathing reminders that humanity is not a civilized species - that humans are cruel and barbaric creatures without the 'spark of the divine' claimed by those who speak of god when claiming that slaughter of animals is justified.</p><p>Our own self love prevents us for excepting that we are all animals.  Looking in the eye of a 12 year old rape victim and justifying how a 'game' which portrays an assault like theirs would be very difficult.  It is far easier to pass a law banning it.</p><p>It is wrong - censorship is always wrong.   Are you going to look in to her eyes and explain it?</p><p>There are also some recidivism issues and other reality intruding types of data to look at of course - but self love and our illusions are more interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is ridiculous that torture is illegal but the threat or use of the death penalty is not.People are isolated from dealing with the victim of murder .
While there is emotional interaction with the family there is not a living reminder of the action.Rape and torture provide living breathing reminders that humanity is not a civilized species - that humans are cruel and barbaric creatures without the 'spark of the divine ' claimed by those who speak of god when claiming that slaughter of animals is justified.Our own self love prevents us for excepting that we are all animals .
Looking in the eye of a 12 year old rape victim and justifying how a 'game ' which portrays an assault like theirs would be very difficult .
It is far easier to pass a law banning it.It is wrong - censorship is always wrong .
Are you going to look in to her eyes and explain it ? There are also some recidivism issues and other reality intruding types of data to look at of course - but self love and our illusions are more interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is ridiculous that torture is illegal but the threat or use of the death penalty is not.People are isolated from dealing with the victim of murder.
While there is emotional interaction with the family there is not a living reminder of the action.Rape and torture provide living breathing reminders that humanity is not a civilized species - that humans are cruel and barbaric creatures without the 'spark of the divine' claimed by those who speak of god when claiming that slaughter of animals is justified.Our own self love prevents us for excepting that we are all animals.
Looking in the eye of a 12 year old rape victim and justifying how a 'game' which portrays an assault like theirs would be very difficult.
It is far easier to pass a law banning it.It is wrong - censorship is always wrong.
Are you going to look in to her eyes and explain it?There are also some recidivism issues and other reality intruding types of data to look at of course - but self love and our illusions are more interesting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248035</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28253935</id>
	<title>Re:I know what's gonna happen now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244489640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Until everyone realize the 12-year-old is a boy..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until everyone realize the 12-year-old is a boy. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until everyone realize the 12-year-old is a boy..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247539</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28251477</id>
	<title>Japanese culture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244478240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never EVER understood this about the Japanese. Could someone explain how their culture allows such things?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never EVER understood this about the Japanese .
Could someone explain how their culture allows such things ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never EVER understood this about the Japanese.
Could someone explain how their culture allows such things?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28253051</id>
	<title>Re:Protect the innocent!</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1244485440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>But if you're talking about the US</i> <br> <br>I wasn't. At least not in particular. I was merely raising the point that the Japanese are not the only perverse people in this world. And I was deliberately steering clear of cultural norms by relating the issue to the subjection of someone who is not in a position to retaliate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But if you 're talking about the US I was n't .
At least not in particular .
I was merely raising the point that the Japanese are not the only perverse people in this world .
And I was deliberately steering clear of cultural norms by relating the issue to the subjection of someone who is not in a position to retaliate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if you're talking about the US  I wasn't.
At least not in particular.
I was merely raising the point that the Japanese are not the only perverse people in this world.
And I was deliberately steering clear of cultural norms by relating the issue to the subjection of someone who is not in a position to retaliate.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249849</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249643</id>
	<title>They will find a way to continue!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244468160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you ever followed normal Porn (in 2000 to 2005) there was a company called InS#x which did extreme Bondage in the USA, it was shutdown due to the nature of the content (US Government convinced all credit card processing companies to stop doing business with it and banks to stop accepting new accounts), so what happened, it was bought by a third party, off shored to Eastern Europe and then reappeared as 5+ different sites, what changed? The difference is that the bondage was more extreme (new sites include: Sex and Submission, Device Bondage<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...), and that the girls had smiles on their faces instead of tears (that was all that changed), that was the change (oh if you are wondering It was(is?) illegal to show sex while bond in the US, but the new sites do that as well).  My Point that if moving and changing tears to smiles worked for a set of sites doing things to REAL people.  Then the game producers can and will find a way to show rape in games without calling it rape.</p><p>Another Japanese example would be the off shoring of Anime's with pubic hair in the 90's that was illegal and showing rape is not illegal, it will only cause you not to get a EOCS rating.  What makes people think this would have changed today?</p><p>Also I the same companies that specialize in this (there are only a few which is likely why there was so little internal discussion) can move to digital distribution via there own or another website as, unless I'm wrong EOCS's power comes from the ratings required for stores selling Shrink-wrapped packages.</p><p>Second to last point there is still another Ratings company CSA which has not such restrictions (currently).</p><p>Lastly there are companies that produce live action Japanese porn which depicts simulated rape, among other things, I have heard no complaint about those yet, I do not see why some of those same companies may get into the Rape Gaming side now as well as they would have a nitch market which ECOS just said they will no longer support.</p><p>Where there is money they will find a way,<br>anonymous Coward</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you ever followed normal Porn ( in 2000 to 2005 ) there was a company called InS # x which did extreme Bondage in the USA , it was shutdown due to the nature of the content ( US Government convinced all credit card processing companies to stop doing business with it and banks to stop accepting new accounts ) , so what happened , it was bought by a third party , off shored to Eastern Europe and then reappeared as 5 + different sites , what changed ?
The difference is that the bondage was more extreme ( new sites include : Sex and Submission , Device Bondage ... ) , and that the girls had smiles on their faces instead of tears ( that was all that changed ) , that was the change ( oh if you are wondering It was ( is ?
) illegal to show sex while bond in the US , but the new sites do that as well ) .
My Point that if moving and changing tears to smiles worked for a set of sites doing things to REAL people .
Then the game producers can and will find a way to show rape in games without calling it rape.Another Japanese example would be the off shoring of Anime 's with pubic hair in the 90 's that was illegal and showing rape is not illegal , it will only cause you not to get a EOCS rating .
What makes people think this would have changed today ? Also I the same companies that specialize in this ( there are only a few which is likely why there was so little internal discussion ) can move to digital distribution via there own or another website as , unless I 'm wrong EOCS 's power comes from the ratings required for stores selling Shrink-wrapped packages.Second to last point there is still another Ratings company CSA which has not such restrictions ( currently ) .Lastly there are companies that produce live action Japanese porn which depicts simulated rape , among other things , I have heard no complaint about those yet , I do not see why some of those same companies may get into the Rape Gaming side now as well as they would have a nitch market which ECOS just said they will no longer support.Where there is money they will find a way,anonymous Coward</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you ever followed normal Porn (in 2000 to 2005) there was a company called InS#x which did extreme Bondage in the USA, it was shutdown due to the nature of the content (US Government convinced all credit card processing companies to stop doing business with it and banks to stop accepting new accounts), so what happened, it was bought by a third party, off shored to Eastern Europe and then reappeared as 5+ different sites, what changed?
The difference is that the bondage was more extreme (new sites include: Sex and Submission, Device Bondage ...), and that the girls had smiles on their faces instead of tears (that was all that changed), that was the change (oh if you are wondering It was(is?
) illegal to show sex while bond in the US, but the new sites do that as well).
My Point that if moving and changing tears to smiles worked for a set of sites doing things to REAL people.
Then the game producers can and will find a way to show rape in games without calling it rape.Another Japanese example would be the off shoring of Anime's with pubic hair in the 90's that was illegal and showing rape is not illegal, it will only cause you not to get a EOCS rating.
What makes people think this would have changed today?Also I the same companies that specialize in this (there are only a few which is likely why there was so little internal discussion) can move to digital distribution via there own or another website as, unless I'm wrong EOCS's power comes from the ratings required for stores selling Shrink-wrapped packages.Second to last point there is still another Ratings company CSA which has not such restrictions (currently).Lastly there are companies that produce live action Japanese porn which depicts simulated rape, among other things, I have heard no complaint about those yet, I do not see why some of those same companies may get into the Rape Gaming side now as well as they would have a nitch market which ECOS just said they will no longer support.Where there is money they will find a way,anonymous Coward</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247715</id>
	<title>Nintendo all the way!</title>
	<author>retech</author>
	<datestamp>1244403960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let's go back to the old NES days. The only thing that ever made people do was eat mushrooms and beat the shit outta turtles. Those were the days, young prepubescent CGI girls could safely wander the streets.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's go back to the old NES days .
The only thing that ever made people do was eat mushrooms and beat the shit outta turtles .
Those were the days , young prepubescent CGI girls could safely wander the streets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's go back to the old NES days.
The only thing that ever made people do was eat mushrooms and beat the shit outta turtles.
Those were the days, young prepubescent CGI girls could safely wander the streets.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28253383</id>
	<title>Re:Save teh Childrenz</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1244487300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Number of rapes reported" != "Number of rapes actually committed". This crime is massively under-reported in all countries; likely much more so in countries where it carries more of a stigma.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Number of rapes reported " ! = " Number of rapes actually committed " .
This crime is massively under-reported in all countries ; likely much more so in countries where it carries more of a stigma .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Number of rapes reported" != "Number of rapes actually committed".
This crime is massively under-reported in all countries; likely much more so in countries where it carries more of a stigma.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248651</id>
	<title>Something Awful's Review</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244457240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> If you haven't read it already: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hentai-game-reviews/rapelay.php</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have n't read it already : http : //www.somethingawful.com/d/hentai-game-reviews/rapelay.php</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If you haven't read it already: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hentai-game-reviews/rapelay.php</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28250765</id>
	<title>Re:Really? Do you people read each other's comment</title>
	<author>Chibi Merrow</author>
	<datestamp>1244474700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a bit of a ridiculous comparison...</p><p>NAMBLA <strong>rapes kids</strong>.</p><p><strong>No kids</strong> are raped by this video game.</p><p>And yes, there are no limits to SPEECH--with the exception of speech acts that can somehow seemingly cause imminent harm, the classic example being yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater. <strong>No one</strong> is being harmed by this game. You don't have to agree with it, but then again, you don't have to listen to/watch/play it either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a bit of a ridiculous comparison...NAMBLA rapes kids.No kids are raped by this video game.And yes , there are no limits to SPEECH--with the exception of speech acts that can somehow seemingly cause imminent harm , the classic example being yelling " FIRE !
" in a crowded movie theater .
No one is being harmed by this game .
You do n't have to agree with it , but then again , you do n't have to listen to/watch/play it either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a bit of a ridiculous comparison...NAMBLA rapes kids.No kids are raped by this video game.And yes, there are no limits to SPEECH--with the exception of speech acts that can somehow seemingly cause imminent harm, the classic example being yelling "FIRE!
" in a crowded movie theater.
No one is being harmed by this game.
You don't have to agree with it, but then again, you don't have to listen to/watch/play it either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249667</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty of what?</title>
	<author>Kral\_Blbec</author>
	<datestamp>1244468280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dont really have the means to become an invisible french agent, highly trained space marine with force field armor, fireball spitting sorcerer, nor acrobatic time shifter (TF2, Halo, WoW, PoP). I do have the means to become the creepy playground stalker (not that I want to). Its a matter of possibility. Yes, many games depict/glorify violence, yet those depictions are false and impossible. When they become practical/possible that they become disturbing too (see GTA).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont really have the means to become an invisible french agent , highly trained space marine with force field armor , fireball spitting sorcerer , nor acrobatic time shifter ( TF2 , Halo , WoW , PoP ) .
I do have the means to become the creepy playground stalker ( not that I want to ) .
Its a matter of possibility .
Yes , many games depict/glorify violence , yet those depictions are false and impossible .
When they become practical/possible that they become disturbing too ( see GTA ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont really have the means to become an invisible french agent, highly trained space marine with force field armor, fireball spitting sorcerer, nor acrobatic time shifter (TF2, Halo, WoW, PoP).
I do have the means to become the creepy playground stalker (not that I want to).
Its a matter of possibility.
Yes, many games depict/glorify violence, yet those depictions are false and impossible.
When they become practical/possible that they become disturbing too (see GTA).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248991</id>
	<title>Porn with virtual characters cannot be CP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244461260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"RapeLay seems to be available on Amazon's UK and JP sites, sparking outrage and causing a former US Ambassador to Japan to write an editorial criticizing Japan, saying, 'Only Japan allows people to possess these hideous images without penalty. Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography. Is it not time for Japan to find a way to punish the guilty?' "</p><p>Equalling such a game to "child pornography" is quite a leap, especially as the US child pornography laws clearly define:</p><p>"&#194; 2252A: Actual or simulated CP</p><p>- actual minors were used for production OR<br>- the image appears to be of real person who was a minor as the image was created AND you fail to prove otherwise OR<br>- as defined in section 2256 (8)&#194;&#169; ( http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/usc...&#226;"-000-.html#8\_C ), &#226;oesuch visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.&#226;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...so whatever happens to virtual children, save if they appear to be real persons, cannot be considered "child pornography".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" RapeLay seems to be available on Amazon 's UK and JP sites , sparking outrage and causing a former US Ambassador to Japan to write an editorial criticizing Japan , saying , 'Only Japan allows people to possess these hideous images without penalty .
Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography .
Is it not time for Japan to find a way to punish the guilty ?
' " Equalling such a game to " child pornography " is quite a leap , especially as the US child pornography laws clearly define : "   2252A : Actual or simulated CP- actual minors were used for production OR- the image appears to be of real person who was a minor as the image was created AND you fail to prove otherwise OR- as defined in section 2256 ( 8 )     ( http : //www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/usc...   " -000-.html # 8 \ _C ) ,   oesuch visual depiction has been created , adapted , or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.   ...so whatever happens to virtual children , save if they appear to be real persons , can not be considered " child pornography " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"RapeLay seems to be available on Amazon's UK and JP sites, sparking outrage and causing a former US Ambassador to Japan to write an editorial criticizing Japan, saying, 'Only Japan allows people to possess these hideous images without penalty.
Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography.
Is it not time for Japan to find a way to punish the guilty?
' "Equalling such a game to "child pornography" is quite a leap, especially as the US child pornography laws clearly define:"Â 2252A: Actual or simulated CP- actual minors were used for production OR- the image appears to be of real person who was a minor as the image was created AND you fail to prove otherwise OR- as defined in section 2256 (8)Â© ( http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/usc...â"-000-.html#8\_C ), âoesuch visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.â ...so whatever happens to virtual children, save if they appear to be real persons, cannot be considered "child pornography".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28251577</id>
	<title>murder rape</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244478660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you look at current gaming scene you can easily see that murder simulators are commonly accepted but rape simulators are shunned. If one would combine murder simulator with rape simulator you would get something much more acceptable than a pure rape simulator, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you look at current gaming scene you can easily see that murder simulators are commonly accepted but rape simulators are shunned .
If one would combine murder simulator with rape simulator you would get something much more acceptable than a pure rape simulator , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you look at current gaming scene you can easily see that murder simulators are commonly accepted but rape simulators are shunned.
If one would combine murder simulator with rape simulator you would get something much more acceptable than a pure rape simulator, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247829</id>
	<title>Rape in Hentai?!! A striking and new developement!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244491800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did somebody along the way forget that most of the sex in hentai is rape?

When's the last time that school girl consented to that tentacle monster to penetrate her every orifice?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did somebody along the way forget that most of the sex in hentai is rape ?
When 's the last time that school girl consented to that tentacle monster to penetrate her every orifice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did somebody along the way forget that most of the sex in hentai is rape?
When's the last time that school girl consented to that tentacle monster to penetrate her every orifice?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248675</id>
	<title>Re:And in real life...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244457480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those are interesting figures and certainly worth further investigation. However, do not in your excitement forget the difference between correlation and causation, lest the pirate party's recent victories in the EU start to reverse global warming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those are interesting figures and certainly worth further investigation .
However , do not in your excitement forget the difference between correlation and causation , lest the pirate party 's recent victories in the EU start to reverse global warming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those are interesting figures and certainly worth further investigation.
However, do not in your excitement forget the difference between correlation and causation, lest the pirate party's recent victories in the EU start to reverse global warming.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247775</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249451</id>
	<title>Re:Morals and all that jazz</title>
	<author>msuzio</author>
	<datestamp>1244466480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope this professor wasn't any sort of philosophy professor, because that is a classic example of (actually) begging the question.  You can win any argument when you choose the definitions and basic assumptions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope this professor was n't any sort of philosophy professor , because that is a classic example of ( actually ) begging the question .
You can win any argument when you choose the definitions and basic assumptions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope this professor wasn't any sort of philosophy professor, because that is a classic example of (actually) begging the question.
You can win any argument when you choose the definitions and basic assumptions.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28251071</id>
	<title>3 years in the making.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244476380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The game is 3 years old and near the end of it's shelf life.  It was under radar and unknown until US new media or politician got the wind of it.  They sure made the game a lot more popular than the publisher could have ever done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The game is 3 years old and near the end of it 's shelf life .
It was under radar and unknown until US new media or politician got the wind of it .
They sure made the game a lot more popular than the publisher could have ever done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The game is 3 years old and near the end of it's shelf life.
It was under radar and unknown until US new media or politician got the wind of it.
They sure made the game a lot more popular than the publisher could have ever done.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249921</id>
	<title>I'm really dissapointed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244470080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the position of some posters here, defending that this game is "OK" and shouldn't be censured because "it isn't hurting anyone".</p><p>First, this game will not be played by grown ups only. I don't know the drill on Japan, but here this game will be played by teenagers and even younger people. Face it: do you know anyone that hasn't played Mortal Kombat beucase of the ESRB rating ? Yes, in the perfect world, kids aren't allowed to play Mature games. But this is the real world.</p><p>On the real world, what's the consequence of a 12 yr old boy playing a game where he rapes women and gets rewarded? Remember: to copycat Tony Vercetti you need guns, jetpacks, cars and so on. To rape or brutalize women, you just need the attitude.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the position of some posters here , defending that this game is " OK " and should n't be censured because " it is n't hurting anyone " .First , this game will not be played by grown ups only .
I do n't know the drill on Japan , but here this game will be played by teenagers and even younger people .
Face it : do you know anyone that has n't played Mortal Kombat beucase of the ESRB rating ?
Yes , in the perfect world , kids are n't allowed to play Mature games .
But this is the real world.On the real world , what 's the consequence of a 12 yr old boy playing a game where he rapes women and gets rewarded ?
Remember : to copycat Tony Vercetti you need guns , jetpacks , cars and so on .
To rape or brutalize women , you just need the attitude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the position of some posters here, defending that this game is "OK" and shouldn't be censured because "it isn't hurting anyone".First, this game will not be played by grown ups only.
I don't know the drill on Japan, but here this game will be played by teenagers and even younger people.
Face it: do you know anyone that hasn't played Mortal Kombat beucase of the ESRB rating ?
Yes, in the perfect world, kids aren't allowed to play Mature games.
But this is the real world.On the real world, what's the consequence of a 12 yr old boy playing a game where he rapes women and gets rewarded?
Remember: to copycat Tony Vercetti you need guns, jetpacks, cars and so on.
To rape or brutalize women, you just need the attitude.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247649</id>
	<title>WHY??????</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244403000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It's gotten a lot of press as reviewers have noted at one point the player must force sex on a 12-year-old."</p><p>I almost vomited when I read this...<br>I always feel sickened to my stomach when you read news of some sick bastard who rapes someone, especially a child.<br>To have a "game" promote this as an achievement is disturbing.</p><p>There are plenty of strange sex acts that consenting adults can engage in, including fantasy rape scenes, that can border on the illegal but don't<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.....wow... I am so disgusted I cannot even finish my thoughts.</p><p>Promoting such acts should be banned, and anyone who actually performs such an act should be castrated/killed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's gotten a lot of press as reviewers have noted at one point the player must force sex on a 12-year-old .
" I almost vomited when I read this...I always feel sickened to my stomach when you read news of some sick bastard who rapes someone , especially a child.To have a " game " promote this as an achievement is disturbing.There are plenty of strange sex acts that consenting adults can engage in , including fantasy rape scenes , that can border on the illegal but do n't .....wow... I am so disgusted I can not even finish my thoughts.Promoting such acts should be banned , and anyone who actually performs such an act should be castrated/killed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's gotten a lot of press as reviewers have noted at one point the player must force sex on a 12-year-old.
"I almost vomited when I read this...I always feel sickened to my stomach when you read news of some sick bastard who rapes someone, especially a child.To have a "game" promote this as an achievement is disturbing.There are plenty of strange sex acts that consenting adults can engage in, including fantasy rape scenes, that can border on the illegal but don't .....wow... I am so disgusted I cannot even finish my thoughts.Promoting such acts should be banned, and anyone who actually performs such an act should be castrated/killed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247813</id>
	<title>in other news....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244491500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>4chan immediately DDOSes the J-ESRB.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>4chan immediately DDOSes the J-ESRB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>4chan immediately DDOSes the J-ESRB.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28254669</id>
	<title>fuck patriarchy</title>
	<author>jpate</author>
	<datestamp>1244492880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>whether this is a symptom or a cause or both</htmltext>
<tokenext>whether this is a symptom or a cause or both</tokentext>
<sentencetext>whether this is a symptom or a cause or both</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247659</id>
	<title>Re:Protect the innocent!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244403120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real story here is:

Why is there such huge demand for this perverse behavior in Japan?

So yes it is silly to criminalize this, but it is worthwhile looking into why is there such a big audience for "forced 12-yo rape" in Japan in the 1st place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real story here is : Why is there such huge demand for this perverse behavior in Japan ?
So yes it is silly to criminalize this , but it is worthwhile looking into why is there such a big audience for " forced 12-yo rape " in Japan in the 1st place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real story here is:

Why is there such huge demand for this perverse behavior in Japan?
So yes it is silly to criminalize this, but it is worthwhile looking into why is there such a big audience for "forced 12-yo rape" in Japan in the 1st place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247541</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28254391</id>
	<title>Re:Protect the innocent!</title>
	<author>The Moof</author>
	<datestamp>1244491620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In all fairness, to date, I haven't come across a violent game where the violence can be directed at innocent children.  The closest one I've seen is Bioshock's 'Harvesting' option which just fades the screen to black and maybe Fallout 3's one child enslaving mission (not violent, but still crime against a child).</htmltext>
<tokenext>In all fairness , to date , I have n't come across a violent game where the violence can be directed at innocent children .
The closest one I 've seen is Bioshock 's 'Harvesting ' option which just fades the screen to black and maybe Fallout 3 's one child enslaving mission ( not violent , but still crime against a child ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In all fairness, to date, I haven't come across a violent game where the violence can be directed at innocent children.
The closest one I've seen is Bioshock's 'Harvesting' option which just fades the screen to black and maybe Fallout 3's one child enslaving mission (not violent, but still crime against a child).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248445</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28253187</id>
	<title>Re:Protect the innocent!</title>
	<author>Eli Gottlieb</author>
	<datestamp>1244486280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Capitalising on humiliation and misery is arguably a form of rape</p></div><p>No it isn't.  Rape is forcing sexual acts on someone.  Period.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Capitalising on humiliation and misery is arguably a form of rapeNo it is n't .
Rape is forcing sexual acts on someone .
Period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Capitalising on humiliation and misery is arguably a form of rapeNo it isn't.
Rape is forcing sexual acts on someone.
Period.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247869</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248477</id>
	<title>The screenshots are awsome.</title>
	<author>Reservoir Penguin</author>
	<datestamp>1244455140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd like to start raping but I can't get a working torrent going<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:( Maybe I'll practice my l33t raping skillz on kittens in the meanwhile.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to start raping but I ca n't get a working torrent going : ( Maybe I 'll practice my l33t raping skillz on kittens in the meanwhile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to start raping but I can't get a working torrent going :( Maybe I'll practice my l33t raping skillz on kittens in the meanwhile.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28252529</id>
	<title>Re:No victim, no crime</title>
	<author>Mab\_Mass</author>
	<datestamp>1244483280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>In order for something to be a crime, it must be demonstrated that it causes harm, suffering, or loss. There has to be a victim.</p></div>
</blockquote><p> This would be a good rule, if only it were true.  There are a lot of actions that have no victim and that are still illegal.  Prostitution and drug laws come to mind.  Even avoiding those hot-button topics, what about jaywalking on a deserted street?  What about seat belt laws?

</p><p> Also, even though this is a good rule, how do you define "victim"?  In cases like murder, rape, assault, it is pretty clear, but what about things like noise laws?

</p><p> Some people are upset by clowns, so dressing like a clown can be considered criminal at times.

</p><p> Unfortunately, I don't think that there are any clear rules for defining laws.  It is by necessity an ugly process that should require a lot of debate.  Unfortunately, though, it seems that creating laws is also a lot easier than getting rid of them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In order for something to be a crime , it must be demonstrated that it causes harm , suffering , or loss .
There has to be a victim .
This would be a good rule , if only it were true .
There are a lot of actions that have no victim and that are still illegal .
Prostitution and drug laws come to mind .
Even avoiding those hot-button topics , what about jaywalking on a deserted street ?
What about seat belt laws ?
Also , even though this is a good rule , how do you define " victim " ?
In cases like murder , rape , assault , it is pretty clear , but what about things like noise laws ?
Some people are upset by clowns , so dressing like a clown can be considered criminal at times .
Unfortunately , I do n't think that there are any clear rules for defining laws .
It is by necessity an ugly process that should require a lot of debate .
Unfortunately , though , it seems that creating laws is also a lot easier than getting rid of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order for something to be a crime, it must be demonstrated that it causes harm, suffering, or loss.
There has to be a victim.
This would be a good rule, if only it were true.
There are a lot of actions that have no victim and that are still illegal.
Prostitution and drug laws come to mind.
Even avoiding those hot-button topics, what about jaywalking on a deserted street?
What about seat belt laws?
Also, even though this is a good rule, how do you define "victim"?
In cases like murder, rape, assault, it is pretty clear, but what about things like noise laws?
Some people are upset by clowns, so dressing like a clown can be considered criminal at times.
Unfortunately, I don't think that there are any clear rules for defining laws.
It is by necessity an ugly process that should require a lot of debate.
Unfortunately, though, it seems that creating laws is also a lot easier than getting rid of them.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248069</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249231</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>ultranova</author>
	<datestamp>1244464200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I hope I'm not the only one honestly disturbed that rape games have customers. Funny, as I'm a big fan of GTA4.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Hypocrisy isn't really all that funny.</p><blockquote><div><p>Violent video games are rather cathartic, and serve that need pretty well. Going around a fake city in a tank and blowing up every douchey car is just wholesome fun. But what does rape simulation appease? It's not sex, that's what porn is for.</p></div> </blockquote><p>A rape simulation <em>is</em> pornography, obviously.</p><p>Apart from that, your post seems to boil down to murder simulators being wholesome fun while rape simulators not being wholesome fun. You don't offer any evidence or reasoning to back this up, you simply assert it. Then you go on to make a mockery of free speech.</p><blockquote><div><p>Normally I'm a blind attack-dog in favor of free speech. But here, no, I can't be.</p></div> </blockquote><p>I find it funny, in a darkly cynical way, when people state how they're all for free speech, as long as said speech happens to be to their liking.</p><p>"I'll defend to the death your right to say whatever I happen to agree with."</p><blockquote><div><p>If free speech means anything more than "just let everyone talk," it has to have a purpose behind it -- such as letting different ideas being heard, or letting the truth be heard, then there has to be a some sorts of speech it encourages, and others it's agnostic to.</p></div> </blockquote><p>The purpose of free speech is to let everyone have their say. Encouraging the speech you happen to agree with and censoring the rest is pretty much the antithesis of free speech; claiming to do this in the name of promoting free speech would make any politician proud.</p><blockquote><div><p>I can't think of any case for free speech helped by defending a rape simulator.</p></div> </blockquote><p>It helps set a precedence where something can't be banned just because someone finds it disturbing. This, then, is something you can appeal to when Muslims want to ban criticizing Islam, Jews want to ban criticizing Israel, or your government wants to ban criticizing itself.</p><p>Basically, you either have free speech for everyone, including people who you find disturbing, or you don't have it for anyone. Choose one or the other; but don't delude yourself about what you've chosen and pretend to be an "attack dog" for free speech when you're trying to censor others. Either have balls to tolerate speech you find disgusting, or the spine to admit you're against free speech; but having neither makes you just plain pitiful.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope I 'm not the only one honestly disturbed that rape games have customers .
Funny , as I 'm a big fan of GTA4 .
Hypocrisy is n't really all that funny.Violent video games are rather cathartic , and serve that need pretty well .
Going around a fake city in a tank and blowing up every douchey car is just wholesome fun .
But what does rape simulation appease ?
It 's not sex , that 's what porn is for .
A rape simulation is pornography , obviously.Apart from that , your post seems to boil down to murder simulators being wholesome fun while rape simulators not being wholesome fun .
You do n't offer any evidence or reasoning to back this up , you simply assert it .
Then you go on to make a mockery of free speech.Normally I 'm a blind attack-dog in favor of free speech .
But here , no , I ca n't be .
I find it funny , in a darkly cynical way , when people state how they 're all for free speech , as long as said speech happens to be to their liking .
" I 'll defend to the death your right to say whatever I happen to agree with .
" If free speech means anything more than " just let everyone talk , " it has to have a purpose behind it -- such as letting different ideas being heard , or letting the truth be heard , then there has to be a some sorts of speech it encourages , and others it 's agnostic to .
The purpose of free speech is to let everyone have their say .
Encouraging the speech you happen to agree with and censoring the rest is pretty much the antithesis of free speech ; claiming to do this in the name of promoting free speech would make any politician proud.I ca n't think of any case for free speech helped by defending a rape simulator .
It helps set a precedence where something ca n't be banned just because someone finds it disturbing .
This , then , is something you can appeal to when Muslims want to ban criticizing Islam , Jews want to ban criticizing Israel , or your government wants to ban criticizing itself.Basically , you either have free speech for everyone , including people who you find disturbing , or you do n't have it for anyone .
Choose one or the other ; but do n't delude yourself about what you 've chosen and pretend to be an " attack dog " for free speech when you 're trying to censor others .
Either have balls to tolerate speech you find disgusting , or the spine to admit you 're against free speech ; but having neither makes you just plain pitiful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope I'm not the only one honestly disturbed that rape games have customers.
Funny, as I'm a big fan of GTA4.
Hypocrisy isn't really all that funny.Violent video games are rather cathartic, and serve that need pretty well.
Going around a fake city in a tank and blowing up every douchey car is just wholesome fun.
But what does rape simulation appease?
It's not sex, that's what porn is for.
A rape simulation is pornography, obviously.Apart from that, your post seems to boil down to murder simulators being wholesome fun while rape simulators not being wholesome fun.
You don't offer any evidence or reasoning to back this up, you simply assert it.
Then you go on to make a mockery of free speech.Normally I'm a blind attack-dog in favor of free speech.
But here, no, I can't be.
I find it funny, in a darkly cynical way, when people state how they're all for free speech, as long as said speech happens to be to their liking.
"I'll defend to the death your right to say whatever I happen to agree with.
"If free speech means anything more than "just let everyone talk," it has to have a purpose behind it -- such as letting different ideas being heard, or letting the truth be heard, then there has to be a some sorts of speech it encourages, and others it's agnostic to.
The purpose of free speech is to let everyone have their say.
Encouraging the speech you happen to agree with and censoring the rest is pretty much the antithesis of free speech; claiming to do this in the name of promoting free speech would make any politician proud.I can't think of any case for free speech helped by defending a rape simulator.
It helps set a precedence where something can't be banned just because someone finds it disturbing.
This, then, is something you can appeal to when Muslims want to ban criticizing Islam, Jews want to ban criticizing Israel, or your government wants to ban criticizing itself.Basically, you either have free speech for everyone, including people who you find disturbing, or you don't have it for anyone.
Choose one or the other; but don't delude yourself about what you've chosen and pretend to be an "attack dog" for free speech when you're trying to censor others.
Either have balls to tolerate speech you find disgusting, or the spine to admit you're against free speech; but having neither makes you just plain pitiful.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248339</id>
	<title>Re:cartoons are NOT "child pornography"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244453460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>cartoons are NOT "child pornography"</p></div><p>Err... sorry, in the U.S.A (where I am assuming that you are posting from) cartoons ARE "child pornography."</p><p><a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/manga-porn/" title="wired.com" rel="nofollow">Threat Level Privacy, Crime and Security Online U.S. Manga Obscenity Conviction Roils Comics World</a> [wired.com]</p></div>
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<tokenext>cartoons are NOT " child pornography " Err... sorry , in the U.S.A ( where I am assuming that you are posting from ) cartoons ARE " child pornography .
" Threat Level Privacy , Crime and Security Online U.S. Manga Obscenity Conviction Roils Comics World [ wired.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cartoons are NOT "child pornography"Err... sorry, in the U.S.A (where I am assuming that you are posting from) cartoons ARE "child pornography.
"Threat Level Privacy, Crime and Security Online U.S. Manga Obscenity Conviction Roils Comics World [wired.com]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248291</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1244452980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I can't think of any case for free speech helped by defending a rape simulator."</p><p>How about the idea that it may act as an outlet to help suppress desires aluded to in your link in point 1 from being acted out for real?</p><p>I wont try and pretend I can give an answer to whether it does or not either way, but it's possible. Similar cases have been made for the likes of GTA, where if kids can joyride round some virtual streets on a console they're less likely to get bored and go and joyride for real. It seems plausible.</p><p>The problem is there doesn't seem to be any real research either way, presumably because it's a tough subject to research because if the findings aren't those that the "think of the children" crew like then expect complete character and possibly career assassination. As such, we just end up with this situation where it just gets released anyway without actually knowing the merits (or lack of) of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I ca n't think of any case for free speech helped by defending a rape simulator .
" How about the idea that it may act as an outlet to help suppress desires aluded to in your link in point 1 from being acted out for real ? I wont try and pretend I can give an answer to whether it does or not either way , but it 's possible .
Similar cases have been made for the likes of GTA , where if kids can joyride round some virtual streets on a console they 're less likely to get bored and go and joyride for real .
It seems plausible.The problem is there does n't seem to be any real research either way , presumably because it 's a tough subject to research because if the findings are n't those that the " think of the children " crew like then expect complete character and possibly career assassination .
As such , we just end up with this situation where it just gets released anyway without actually knowing the merits ( or lack of ) of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I can't think of any case for free speech helped by defending a rape simulator.
"How about the idea that it may act as an outlet to help suppress desires aluded to in your link in point 1 from being acted out for real?I wont try and pretend I can give an answer to whether it does or not either way, but it's possible.
Similar cases have been made for the likes of GTA, where if kids can joyride round some virtual streets on a console they're less likely to get bored and go and joyride for real.
It seems plausible.The problem is there doesn't seem to be any real research either way, presumably because it's a tough subject to research because if the findings aren't those that the "think of the children" crew like then expect complete character and possibly career assassination.
As such, we just end up with this situation where it just gets released anyway without actually knowing the merits (or lack of) of it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28250221</id>
	<title>Bang goes Japan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244472000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're banning Japanese rape simulators?  Well, there goes Japan's economy...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're banning Japanese rape simulators ?
Well , there goes Japan 's economy.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're banning Japanese rape simulators?
Well, there goes Japan's economy...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249115</id>
	<title>On the other hand</title>
	<author>the3stars</author>
	<datestamp>1244462880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Here's what I wonder about the whole issue of games letting us act out illegal/abhorrent/socially unacceptable actions: do they serve as 'first base' for those inclined to commit such crimes or actions?


What I mean to say is, lets say I've got a desire to run people over on the streets and speed away. Playing GTA might help me break the ice for this action in an environment where there are no consequences. I can test out how it feels, practice the best speed/turns/whatever that is needed to make a clean getaway, all within the comfort of my living room.


If you take this to a rape simulator, I'm sure the same applies. One can conduct their own tests as to methods or perverse pleasure feedback from the suffering of others, without the full weight of the crime itself, as well as breaking down the fear of committing a crime itself. And perhaps after playing for a while, they are one step closer to actually committing a crime.


Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate censorship for all of us, just to protect the small percentage of the insane who live among us.


But before someone says 'adults aren't that malleable', let me say "bullshit". Every single 'evil' leader in history had a full population of active adults behind them. Its all about power, or being close to it and feeling special as a result. And while 'these games' provide a mere drop in the bucket of the feeling of power that criminals claim exist in capital crimes, the existence of these games may be the drop that causes the whole thing to overflow.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's what I wonder about the whole issue of games letting us act out illegal/abhorrent/socially unacceptable actions : do they serve as 'first base ' for those inclined to commit such crimes or actions ?
What I mean to say is , lets say I 've got a desire to run people over on the streets and speed away .
Playing GTA might help me break the ice for this action in an environment where there are no consequences .
I can test out how it feels , practice the best speed/turns/whatever that is needed to make a clean getaway , all within the comfort of my living room .
If you take this to a rape simulator , I 'm sure the same applies .
One can conduct their own tests as to methods or perverse pleasure feedback from the suffering of others , without the full weight of the crime itself , as well as breaking down the fear of committing a crime itself .
And perhaps after playing for a while , they are one step closer to actually committing a crime .
Do n't get me wrong , I do n't advocate censorship for all of us , just to protect the small percentage of the insane who live among us .
But before someone says 'adults are n't that malleable ' , let me say " bullshit " .
Every single 'evil ' leader in history had a full population of active adults behind them .
Its all about power , or being close to it and feeling special as a result .
And while 'these games ' provide a mere drop in the bucket of the feeling of power that criminals claim exist in capital crimes , the existence of these games may be the drop that causes the whole thing to overflow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's what I wonder about the whole issue of games letting us act out illegal/abhorrent/socially unacceptable actions: do they serve as 'first base' for those inclined to commit such crimes or actions?
What I mean to say is, lets say I've got a desire to run people over on the streets and speed away.
Playing GTA might help me break the ice for this action in an environment where there are no consequences.
I can test out how it feels, practice the best speed/turns/whatever that is needed to make a clean getaway, all within the comfort of my living room.
If you take this to a rape simulator, I'm sure the same applies.
One can conduct their own tests as to methods or perverse pleasure feedback from the suffering of others, without the full weight of the crime itself, as well as breaking down the fear of committing a crime itself.
And perhaps after playing for a while, they are one step closer to actually committing a crime.
Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate censorship for all of us, just to protect the small percentage of the insane who live among us.
But before someone says 'adults aren't that malleable', let me say "bullshit".
Every single 'evil' leader in history had a full population of active adults behind them.
Its all about power, or being close to it and feeling special as a result.
And while 'these games' provide a mere drop in the bucket of the feeling of power that criminals claim exist in capital crimes, the existence of these games may be the drop that causes the whole thing to overflow.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28251457</id>
	<title>Re:Rape in Hentai?!! A striking and new developeme</title>
	<author>n30na</author>
	<datestamp>1244478180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I dunno about most hentai, but *I* wouldn't stop that tentacle monster if it came for me.

But i guess most japanese schoolgirls arent like this.  I'm also not japanese.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno about most hentai , but * I * would n't stop that tentacle monster if it came for me .
But i guess most japanese schoolgirls arent like this .
I 'm also not japanese .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno about most hentai, but *I* wouldn't stop that tentacle monster if it came for me.
But i guess most japanese schoolgirls arent like this.
I'm also not japanese.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28249139</id>
	<title>the hell?</title>
	<author>Nekomusume</author>
	<datestamp>1244463060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Only Japan allows people to possess these hideous images without penalty.</p></div><p>Lie. There are countries that allow drawings, CG representations fictional stories and the like depicting sex with children. In canada, a decade or so back, somebody challenged the law and had manage to have it overturned at least partly because because it was rediculous to treat drawings of non-existant children, fictional stories, etc. the same as real child-porn, where children were actually harmed. Unless they've put another law back in it's place, it's still legal to possess drawings of naked children having sex - provided no real children were used in their production. There are apparently some regional laws prohibiting depictins of rape in porn though.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography.</p></div><p>So, 6 out of 7 are nice enough to not prosecute you for child porn possession, if you happen to be innocent. Leaving asside "innocent until proven guilty" issues, that means that one of the G-7 countries quite happy to prosecute the innocent for child porn charges. Which one is that, and why is nobody making a bigger stink about it?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Is it not time for Japan to find a way to punish the guilty?</p></div><p>Rapelay is legal in Japan, so the people who play it aren't guilty of anything other than being pervs. I assure you, if one of them goes out and rapes somebody in real life, the Japanese police will be all over it... and you do NOT want to go through japanese police questioning. They apparently learn how to do it by watching those old american cop movies where the cops could get away with anything... and then amp it up a few notches. The confession rate in japan is apparently very high.</p><p>Interesting side note: The article mentions that Illusion.jp has removed RapeLay from it's website... but a quick check shows that another game called "Battle Raper" is still up.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Only Japan allows people to possess these hideous images without penalty.Lie .
There are countries that allow drawings , CG representations fictional stories and the like depicting sex with children .
In canada , a decade or so back , somebody challenged the law and had manage to have it overturned at least partly because because it was rediculous to treat drawings of non-existant children , fictional stories , etc .
the same as real child-porn , where children were actually harmed .
Unless they 've put another law back in it 's place , it 's still legal to possess drawings of naked children having sex - provided no real children were used in their production .
There are apparently some regional laws prohibiting depictins of rape in porn though.Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography.So , 6 out of 7 are nice enough to not prosecute you for child porn possession , if you happen to be innocent .
Leaving asside " innocent until proven guilty " issues , that means that one of the G-7 countries quite happy to prosecute the innocent for child porn charges .
Which one is that , and why is nobody making a bigger stink about it ? Is it not time for Japan to find a way to punish the guilty ? Rapelay is legal in Japan , so the people who play it are n't guilty of anything other than being pervs .
I assure you , if one of them goes out and rapes somebody in real life , the Japanese police will be all over it... and you do NOT want to go through japanese police questioning .
They apparently learn how to do it by watching those old american cop movies where the cops could get away with anything... and then amp it up a few notches .
The confession rate in japan is apparently very high.Interesting side note : The article mentions that Illusion.jp has removed RapeLay from it 's website... but a quick check shows that another game called " Battle Raper " is still up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only Japan allows people to possess these hideous images without penalty.Lie.
There are countries that allow drawings, CG representations fictional stories and the like depicting sex with children.
In canada, a decade or so back, somebody challenged the law and had manage to have it overturned at least partly because because it was rediculous to treat drawings of non-existant children, fictional stories, etc.
the same as real child-porn, where children were actually harmed.
Unless they've put another law back in it's place, it's still legal to possess drawings of naked children having sex - provided no real children were used in their production.
There are apparently some regional laws prohibiting depictins of rape in porn though.Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography.So, 6 out of 7 are nice enough to not prosecute you for child porn possession, if you happen to be innocent.
Leaving asside "innocent until proven guilty" issues, that means that one of the G-7 countries quite happy to prosecute the innocent for child porn charges.
Which one is that, and why is nobody making a bigger stink about it?Is it not time for Japan to find a way to punish the guilty?Rapelay is legal in Japan, so the people who play it aren't guilty of anything other than being pervs.
I assure you, if one of them goes out and rapes somebody in real life, the Japanese police will be all over it... and you do NOT want to go through japanese police questioning.
They apparently learn how to do it by watching those old american cop movies where the cops could get away with anything... and then amp it up a few notches.
The confession rate in japan is apparently very high.Interesting side note: The article mentions that Illusion.jp has removed RapeLay from it's website... but a quick check shows that another game called "Battle Raper" is still up.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28263051</id>
	<title>Re:And in real life...</title>
	<author>plasmacutter</author>
	<datestamp>1244543040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>you're already desensitized to killing in video games in the first place since you're used to war games, where you have to take out the enemy before they take you out</p></div><p>This premise would be rather funny for an MMO if it involved sex.  Unfortunately when both people are trying to rape one another it's no longer rape for either.</p></div>
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<tokenext>you 're already desensitized to killing in video games in the first place since you 're used to war games , where you have to take out the enemy before they take you outThis premise would be rather funny for an MMO if it involved sex .
Unfortunately when both people are trying to rape one another it 's no longer rape for either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you're already desensitized to killing in video games in the first place since you're used to war games, where you have to take out the enemy before they take you outThis premise would be rather funny for an MMO if it involved sex.
Unfortunately when both people are trying to rape one another it's no longer rape for either.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247869</id>
	<title>Re:Protect the innocent!</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1244492100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><i>Why is there such huge demand for this perverse behavior in Japan?</i> <br> <br>Hmmm. Japan doesn't have a monopoly on perversity. <i>American Idol</i>, <i>Australian Idol</i>, <i>Britain's Got Talent</i> come to mind. Capitalising on humiliation and misery is arguably a form of rape, and I've only scratched the surface with what I know of those shows...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is there such huge demand for this perverse behavior in Japan ?
Hmmm. Japan does n't have a monopoly on perversity .
American Idol , Australian Idol , Britain 's Got Talent come to mind .
Capitalising on humiliation and misery is arguably a form of rape , and I 've only scratched the surface with what I know of those shows.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is there such huge demand for this perverse behavior in Japan?
Hmmm. Japan doesn't have a monopoly on perversity.
American Idol, Australian Idol, Britain's Got Talent come to mind.
Capitalising on humiliation and misery is arguably a form of rape, and I've only scratched the surface with what I know of those shows...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28250231</id>
	<title>sex crimes and pornography in Japan - the evidence</title>
	<author>danny</author>
	<datestamp>1244472060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><a href="http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online\_artcls/pornography/prngrphy\_rape\_jp.html" title="hawaii.edu">http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online\_artcls/pornography/prngrphy\_rape\_jp.html</a> [hawaii.edu]<blockquote><div><p> <i>Within Japan itself, the dramatic increase in available pornography and sexually explicit materials is apparent to even a casual observer. This is concomitant with a general liberalization of restrictions on other sexual outlets as well. Also readily apparent from the information presented is that, over this period of change, sex crimes in every category, from rape to public indecency, sexual offenses from both ends of the criminal spectrum, significantly decreased in incidence.</i></p></div> </blockquote></div>
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<tokenext>http : //www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online \ _artcls/pornography/prngrphy \ _rape \ _jp.html [ hawaii.edu ] Within Japan itself , the dramatic increase in available pornography and sexually explicit materials is apparent to even a casual observer .
This is concomitant with a general liberalization of restrictions on other sexual outlets as well .
Also readily apparent from the information presented is that , over this period of change , sex crimes in every category , from rape to public indecency , sexual offenses from both ends of the criminal spectrum , significantly decreased in incidence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online\_artcls/pornography/prngrphy\_rape\_jp.html [hawaii.edu] Within Japan itself, the dramatic increase in available pornography and sexually explicit materials is apparent to even a casual observer.
This is concomitant with a general liberalization of restrictions on other sexual outlets as well.
Also readily apparent from the information presented is that, over this period of change, sex crimes in every category, from rape to public indecency, sexual offenses from both ends of the criminal spectrum, significantly decreased in incidence. 
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	<title>Online rape game with real women</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244481180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>
The US is way ahead here.  In Japan, it's just CGI.  In the US, we have the real thing:
</p><p>
<i> <a href="http://news.behindkink.com/blog/" title="behindkink.com" rel="nofollow">Rent House Slave Cherry Torn by the minute on June 9th</a> [behindkink.com]
</i></p><p><i>
For just 2.98 kinks* per minute you can rent our lovely little appetizer as your online slave, and make her obey your every command. Cherry will be chained to Peter's bed for your use and has been instructed by Lead Trainer James Mogul to follow your orders -- explicitly. A veritable cornucopia of pleasure devices and implements of torment will be at your disposal so you can make her fuck, humiliate and please herself however you desire. Be sure to take full advantage of this rare chance to direct and dominate a willing sub!</i>
</p><p>
Even for San Francisco, this is pushing it. "Kink.com" has gone way beyond BDSM to become the "Fear Factor" of porno.  Their stuff makes RapeLay, etc. look tame.  They've become more and more extreme over the last few years, and even the SF kinky community is getting worried.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US is way ahead here .
In Japan , it 's just CGI .
In the US , we have the real thing : Rent House Slave Cherry Torn by the minute on June 9th [ behindkink.com ] For just 2.98 kinks * per minute you can rent our lovely little appetizer as your online slave , and make her obey your every command .
Cherry will be chained to Peter 's bed for your use and has been instructed by Lead Trainer James Mogul to follow your orders -- explicitly .
A veritable cornucopia of pleasure devices and implements of torment will be at your disposal so you can make her fuck , humiliate and please herself however you desire .
Be sure to take full advantage of this rare chance to direct and dominate a willing sub !
Even for San Francisco , this is pushing it .
" Kink.com " has gone way beyond BDSM to become the " Fear Factor " of porno .
Their stuff makes RapeLay , etc .
look tame .
They 've become more and more extreme over the last few years , and even the SF kinky community is getting worried .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The US is way ahead here.
In Japan, it's just CGI.
In the US, we have the real thing:

 Rent House Slave Cherry Torn by the minute on June 9th [behindkink.com]

For just 2.98 kinks* per minute you can rent our lovely little appetizer as your online slave, and make her obey your every command.
Cherry will be chained to Peter's bed for your use and has been instructed by Lead Trainer James Mogul to follow your orders -- explicitly.
A veritable cornucopia of pleasure devices and implements of torment will be at your disposal so you can make her fuck, humiliate and please herself however you desire.
Be sure to take full advantage of this rare chance to direct and dominate a willing sub!
Even for San Francisco, this is pushing it.
"Kink.com" has gone way beyond BDSM to become the "Fear Factor" of porno.
Their stuff makes RapeLay, etc.
look tame.
They've become more and more extreme over the last few years, and even the SF kinky community is getting worried.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247619</id>
	<title>Guilty of what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244402640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Raping a character in a video game is no more real than killing said character. At what point will we become liable for murder when playing a shooter? Put simply:</p><p>There's no crime here, asshole. The only thing anyone is guilty of here, is pandering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Raping a character in a video game is no more real than killing said character .
At what point will we become liable for murder when playing a shooter ?
Put simply : There 's no crime here , asshole .
The only thing anyone is guilty of here , is pandering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Raping a character in a video game is no more real than killing said character.
At what point will we become liable for murder when playing a shooter?
Put simply:There's no crime here, asshole.
The only thing anyone is guilty of here, is pandering.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247719</id>
	<title>cartoons are NOT "child pornography"</title>
	<author>1u3hr</author>
	<datestamp>1244404080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Child pornography is abhorred because of the harm done to children in its creation. No children are harmed in making a cartoon. So it is entirely appropraiate that they not be treated as if they were movies or photographs of real sex crimes.<p>
90\% of video games involve depictions of violent crime, murder, war. Most people (with obvious exceptions, Jack Thompson), accept that they are FICTION. </p><p>

Argue that these are disgusting, encourage degradation of women: don't say that they are in themselves criminal.</p><blockquote><div><p>Japan's child-pornography laws don't apply to animations or computer games, nor do they criminalize the possession of child pornography, an issue that was raised by outgoing U.S. Ambassador to Japan Thomas Schieffer in January.
</p><p>
"Only Japan allows people to possess these hideous images without penalty," Schieffer wrote in an editorial in the Asahi newspaper on Jan 1. "Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography. Is it not time for Japan to find a way to punish the guilty?"</p></div></blockquote><p>

"Punish the guilty". Nice turn of phrase. Just declare something you don't like is criminal, assume anyone charged with looking at it is "guilty", and proceed directly to punishment.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Child pornography is abhorred because of the harm done to children in its creation .
No children are harmed in making a cartoon .
So it is entirely appropraiate that they not be treated as if they were movies or photographs of real sex crimes .
90 \ % of video games involve depictions of violent crime , murder , war .
Most people ( with obvious exceptions , Jack Thompson ) , accept that they are FICTION .
Argue that these are disgusting , encourage degradation of women : do n't say that they are in themselves criminal.Japan 's child-pornography laws do n't apply to animations or computer games , nor do they criminalize the possession of child pornography , an issue that was raised by outgoing U.S. Ambassador to Japan Thomas Schieffer in January .
" Only Japan allows people to possess these hideous images without penalty , " Schieffer wrote in an editorial in the Asahi newspaper on Jan 1 .
" Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography .
Is it not time for Japan to find a way to punish the guilty ?
" " Punish the guilty " .
Nice turn of phrase .
Just declare something you do n't like is criminal , assume anyone charged with looking at it is " guilty " , and proceed directly to punishment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Child pornography is abhorred because of the harm done to children in its creation.
No children are harmed in making a cartoon.
So it is entirely appropraiate that they not be treated as if they were movies or photographs of real sex crimes.
90\% of video games involve depictions of violent crime, murder, war.
Most people (with obvious exceptions, Jack Thompson), accept that they are FICTION.
Argue that these are disgusting, encourage degradation of women: don't say that they are in themselves criminal.Japan's child-pornography laws don't apply to animations or computer games, nor do they criminalize the possession of child pornography, an issue that was raised by outgoing U.S. Ambassador to Japan Thomas Schieffer in January.
"Only Japan allows people to possess these hideous images without penalty," Schieffer wrote in an editorial in the Asahi newspaper on Jan 1.
"Six of the G-7 countries have found ways to protect the innocent from being prosecuted for possession of child pornography.
Is it not time for Japan to find a way to punish the guilty?
"

"Punish the guilty".
Nice turn of phrase.
Just declare something you don't like is criminal, assume anyone charged with looking at it is "guilty", and proceed directly to punishment.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28252671</id>
	<title>Re:Morals and all that jazz</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244483760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>His point was, if this pornographic material spreads the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men's pleasure, which causes women to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure, fear, or general brain washing, then it must be banned.</p></div><p>And yet of course, that whole premise is sexist to begin with. It assumes women have no need, desire or right to sexual expression, and that if a man and woman are fucking on camera, then it MUST be to her detriment, and never to the guy's detriment, or for that matter couldn't possibly be a good thing to both. Never mind the fact that porn made for male audiences often (mostly) glorifies the woman (porn "STAR") while the male is nothing more than a prop. Please tell me who is the "object" in that scenario?</p></div>
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<tokenext>His point was , if this pornographic material spreads the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men 's pleasure , which causes women to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure , fear , or general brain washing , then it must be banned.And yet of course , that whole premise is sexist to begin with .
It assumes women have no need , desire or right to sexual expression , and that if a man and woman are fucking on camera , then it MUST be to her detriment , and never to the guy 's detriment , or for that matter could n't possibly be a good thing to both .
Never mind the fact that porn made for male audiences often ( mostly ) glorifies the woman ( porn " STAR " ) while the male is nothing more than a prop .
Please tell me who is the " object " in that scenario ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His point was, if this pornographic material spreads the ideology that women are sexual objects existing only for men's pleasure, which causes women to self-censor themselves and their ideas due to peer pressure, fear, or general brain washing, then it must be banned.And yet of course, that whole premise is sexist to begin with.
It assumes women have no need, desire or right to sexual expression, and that if a man and woman are fucking on camera, then it MUST be to her detriment, and never to the guy's detriment, or for that matter couldn't possibly be a good thing to both.
Never mind the fact that porn made for male audiences often (mostly) glorifies the woman (porn "STAR") while the male is nothing more than a prop.
Please tell me who is the "object" in that scenario?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28273293</id>
	<title>Re:Our imagination helps create reality</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1244551920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p> <i>Our imagination, the mental images and models that we construct in our minds, these unreal things are not without import. Very often we use them to create reality.</i> </p><p>Yes, sure.  At the end of the day, what we see as reality is actually just a mental construct created by the synthesis of our sensory input and various cognitive functions.  To the extent that we must make models of reality to understand it, yes our mental images affect how our reality is perceived.</p><p>That is not the same as saying any fantasy directly informs our reality.  In particular when you <i>know</i> it's fantasy.  None of my fantasies of unicorns and dragons and such in any way directed my sense of reality.  I don't think they exist.  I don't go delving into sewers and caves and forests in search of them.  It's pure fantasy, and I know it.</p><p>When your fantasies -- not mental images of reality, but things that expressly began as fantasies -- begin to inform your reality, then it's because you've started to lose your grip on the difference between reality and fantasy.  Which is a psychological disorder, not an ordinary response to day-dreaming.</p><p>In most people, though, the reality/fantasy boundary is fairly strong (if hard to pin down precisely as you note).  Look at soldiers -- they perform training simulations with the <i>express intent</i> of relating the simulated killing to the <i>real</i> killing that soldiers are asked to do.  It's a deliberate attempt to create reality from fantasy.  And yet it <i>still</i> frequently fails, and many soldiers still won't fire on live targets, because they know that the fantasy killing and real killing are not the same.</p><p> <i>I think the greatest fantasy-based harm of the recent past is actually the big dick Cheney's faith-based war in Iraq. </i> </p><p>See, and this is a perfect example of the distinction I think you're missing.</p><p>Cheney, from the beginning, believed that neo-con philosophy for the middle east would work <i>in reality</i>.  It was never just an idle fantasy he picked up from playing war games that somehow got transmuted into his reality.  The neo-con strategy was built from the ground up as something that they should do <i>in reality</i>.  The only thing they were missing was the opportunity to actually do it.</p><p>Sure you could <i>call</i> it a "fantasy" in the sense that Cheney and the other neo-cons were deeply and deliberately ignorant about the middle east, the Iraqi people, terrorism, military strategy, nation building, and replaced facts with belief.  But that's <i>not the same sense</i> as what we're talking about, which is fantasies which the fantasizer explicitly knows are not reality.  The real cause behind the Iraq fiasco was not "fantasy", it was a combination of arrogance and ignorance in the seat of power.</p><p>To compare this to the sundry topic at hand --  the Cheney-esque version of "fantasy" would be like a guy who <i>believes</i> that some real, live woman deserves to be and secretly wants to be raped <i>in reality</i>.  Yes he's completely wrong and thus you could call it a "fantasy", but he wouldn't call it that any more than Cheney called neo-con philosophy a fantasy.  As opposed to playing a simulation where the person participating knows it is a fantasy, the 'girl' does not exist she's just pixels on a screen and none of it is real.</p><p>The latter type of person could hypothetically become the former type, I'd posit by virtue of being already mentally disturbed or dysfunctional, but they are absolutely not the same thing.  And Dick Cheney does not in any way suggest that they are.</p><p> <i>However, in recent years I've mostly been wondering about horror-suspense writers who create these super-vicious criminals in their minds--and then skillfully transfer their insane ideas to their readers. I suspect the success of  Silence of the Lambs  may explain a lot of the bad things that have happened to America and to the world...</i> </p><p>Yeah, the rise in cannibalism and people killed to make skin-suits is truly disturbing.</p><p>Is the</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Our imagination , the mental images and models that we construct in our minds , these unreal things are not without import .
Very often we use them to create reality .
Yes , sure .
At the end of the day , what we see as reality is actually just a mental construct created by the synthesis of our sensory input and various cognitive functions .
To the extent that we must make models of reality to understand it , yes our mental images affect how our reality is perceived.That is not the same as saying any fantasy directly informs our reality .
In particular when you know it 's fantasy .
None of my fantasies of unicorns and dragons and such in any way directed my sense of reality .
I do n't think they exist .
I do n't go delving into sewers and caves and forests in search of them .
It 's pure fantasy , and I know it.When your fantasies -- not mental images of reality , but things that expressly began as fantasies -- begin to inform your reality , then it 's because you 've started to lose your grip on the difference between reality and fantasy .
Which is a psychological disorder , not an ordinary response to day-dreaming.In most people , though , the reality/fantasy boundary is fairly strong ( if hard to pin down precisely as you note ) .
Look at soldiers -- they perform training simulations with the express intent of relating the simulated killing to the real killing that soldiers are asked to do .
It 's a deliberate attempt to create reality from fantasy .
And yet it still frequently fails , and many soldiers still wo n't fire on live targets , because they know that the fantasy killing and real killing are not the same .
I think the greatest fantasy-based harm of the recent past is actually the big dick Cheney 's faith-based war in Iraq .
See , and this is a perfect example of the distinction I think you 're missing.Cheney , from the beginning , believed that neo-con philosophy for the middle east would work in reality .
It was never just an idle fantasy he picked up from playing war games that somehow got transmuted into his reality .
The neo-con strategy was built from the ground up as something that they should do in reality .
The only thing they were missing was the opportunity to actually do it.Sure you could call it a " fantasy " in the sense that Cheney and the other neo-cons were deeply and deliberately ignorant about the middle east , the Iraqi people , terrorism , military strategy , nation building , and replaced facts with belief .
But that 's not the same sense as what we 're talking about , which is fantasies which the fantasizer explicitly knows are not reality .
The real cause behind the Iraq fiasco was not " fantasy " , it was a combination of arrogance and ignorance in the seat of power.To compare this to the sundry topic at hand -- the Cheney-esque version of " fantasy " would be like a guy who believes that some real , live woman deserves to be and secretly wants to be raped in reality .
Yes he 's completely wrong and thus you could call it a " fantasy " , but he would n't call it that any more than Cheney called neo-con philosophy a fantasy .
As opposed to playing a simulation where the person participating knows it is a fantasy , the 'girl ' does not exist she 's just pixels on a screen and none of it is real.The latter type of person could hypothetically become the former type , I 'd posit by virtue of being already mentally disturbed or dysfunctional , but they are absolutely not the same thing .
And Dick Cheney does not in any way suggest that they are .
However , in recent years I 've mostly been wondering about horror-suspense writers who create these super-vicious criminals in their minds--and then skillfully transfer their insane ideas to their readers .
I suspect the success of Silence of the Lambs may explain a lot of the bad things that have happened to America and to the world... Yeah , the rise in cannibalism and people killed to make skin-suits is truly disturbing.Is the</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Our imagination, the mental images and models that we construct in our minds, these unreal things are not without import.
Very often we use them to create reality.
Yes, sure.
At the end of the day, what we see as reality is actually just a mental construct created by the synthesis of our sensory input and various cognitive functions.
To the extent that we must make models of reality to understand it, yes our mental images affect how our reality is perceived.That is not the same as saying any fantasy directly informs our reality.
In particular when you know it's fantasy.
None of my fantasies of unicorns and dragons and such in any way directed my sense of reality.
I don't think they exist.
I don't go delving into sewers and caves and forests in search of them.
It's pure fantasy, and I know it.When your fantasies -- not mental images of reality, but things that expressly began as fantasies -- begin to inform your reality, then it's because you've started to lose your grip on the difference between reality and fantasy.
Which is a psychological disorder, not an ordinary response to day-dreaming.In most people, though, the reality/fantasy boundary is fairly strong (if hard to pin down precisely as you note).
Look at soldiers -- they perform training simulations with the express intent of relating the simulated killing to the real killing that soldiers are asked to do.
It's a deliberate attempt to create reality from fantasy.
And yet it still frequently fails, and many soldiers still won't fire on live targets, because they know that the fantasy killing and real killing are not the same.
I think the greatest fantasy-based harm of the recent past is actually the big dick Cheney's faith-based war in Iraq.
See, and this is a perfect example of the distinction I think you're missing.Cheney, from the beginning, believed that neo-con philosophy for the middle east would work in reality.
It was never just an idle fantasy he picked up from playing war games that somehow got transmuted into his reality.
The neo-con strategy was built from the ground up as something that they should do in reality.
The only thing they were missing was the opportunity to actually do it.Sure you could call it a "fantasy" in the sense that Cheney and the other neo-cons were deeply and deliberately ignorant about the middle east, the Iraqi people, terrorism, military strategy, nation building, and replaced facts with belief.
But that's not the same sense as what we're talking about, which is fantasies which the fantasizer explicitly knows are not reality.
The real cause behind the Iraq fiasco was not "fantasy", it was a combination of arrogance and ignorance in the seat of power.To compare this to the sundry topic at hand --  the Cheney-esque version of "fantasy" would be like a guy who believes that some real, live woman deserves to be and secretly wants to be raped in reality.
Yes he's completely wrong and thus you could call it a "fantasy", but he wouldn't call it that any more than Cheney called neo-con philosophy a fantasy.
As opposed to playing a simulation where the person participating knows it is a fantasy, the 'girl' does not exist she's just pixels on a screen and none of it is real.The latter type of person could hypothetically become the former type, I'd posit by virtue of being already mentally disturbed or dysfunctional, but they are absolutely not the same thing.
And Dick Cheney does not in any way suggest that they are.
However, in recent years I've mostly been wondering about horror-suspense writers who create these super-vicious criminals in their minds--and then skillfully transfer their insane ideas to their readers.
I suspect the success of  Silence of the Lambs  may explain a lot of the bad things that have happened to America and to the world... Yeah, the rise in cannibalism and people killed to make skin-suits is truly disturbing.Is the</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28247969</id>
	<title>Re:WHY??????</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244493300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to reality, enjoy your stay.</p><p><a href="http://www.efukt.com/sort/7/1" title="efukt.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.efukt.com/sort/7/1</a> [efukt.com]</p><p>You will enjoy this.</p><p><a href="http://www.efukt.com/sort/9/1" title="efukt.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.efukt.com/sort/9/1</a> [efukt.com]</p><p>Also this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to reality , enjoy your stay.http : //www.efukt.com/sort/7/1 [ efukt.com ] You will enjoy this.http : //www.efukt.com/sort/9/1 [ efukt.com ] Also this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to reality, enjoy your stay.http://www.efukt.com/sort/7/1 [efukt.com]You will enjoy this.http://www.efukt.com/sort/9/1 [efukt.com]Also this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28254181</id>
	<title>Murder in 2nd Life, Suit to follow in MeatSpace</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244490720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The title says it all.  Actually didn't some woman disappear a guys online account after they broke up, then he sued her?  So in fact virtual crime has precedence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The title says it all .
Actually did n't some woman disappear a guys online account after they broke up , then he sued her ?
So in fact virtual crime has precedence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The title says it all.
Actually didn't some woman disappear a guys online account after they broke up, then he sued her?
So in fact virtual crime has precedence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28259769</id>
	<title>Re:The demand for such games??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244471100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Or perhaps the low rate of reported rape is because women are socialized to accept there is nothing they can do about it and don't want the social stigma.  Here you have a culture that nods and winks at rape.  What makes you think that the women in that culture don't know where they stand?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or perhaps the low rate of reported rape is because women are socialized to accept there is nothing they can do about it and do n't want the social stigma .
Here you have a culture that nods and winks at rape .
What makes you think that the women in that culture do n't know where they stand ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or perhaps the low rate of reported rape is because women are socialized to accept there is nothing they can do about it and don't want the social stigma.
Here you have a culture that nods and winks at rape.
What makes you think that the women in that culture don't know where they stand?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28252967</id>
	<title>Save teh Childrenz</title>
	<author>Digital End</author>
	<datestamp>1244485020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Obviously this will protect familys the world around.  Remember, the further into the closet you can push such issues, the less likely it will be that someone will do behave that way!  I mean if we can just hide the fact that rape is possible, people won't realise it.  And we make it a taboo thing, that will help.  Remember, in America we focus on our familys, and ensure delicate children aren't shown this filth, or depicted in it!  And remember, pretending there isn't a problem and hating ourself for it has a great track record! Ted Haggard told me so. (2)

Oh crap... well.. reality is here to crap on my parade again.  I hate when that happens.  The United States has the world's highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics. And before you shout the population difference, I'm saying per person, not total rapes.  The US is about 18 times higher than Japan.  In 100,000 women, 33 will be raped in America, with that same 100,000 less then 2 would be raped in Japan. (1)

Tagging "Save the Children" on to your reasons to want to ban something which offends you makes you a horrible person.  Grow up and realise everyones got some odd fetish, desire, or drive.  Dealing with it responsibly, rather then letting it fester, is a sign of a mature person.  I'd rather someone masterbate to drawings and games, regardless if it's a rape fetish or child fetish, then try to act out such desires.

show your work:
(1) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape\_statistics#UN\_Statistics" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape\_statistics#UN\_Statistics</a> [wikipedia.org]  (statistics can't prove anything of course, however, they do cast doubt on banning crap helping)
(2) google:  "anti-gay preacher male prostitute" for several results, Ted Haggard was just the most well known case, there are many more</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously this will protect familys the world around .
Remember , the further into the closet you can push such issues , the less likely it will be that someone will do behave that way !
I mean if we can just hide the fact that rape is possible , people wo n't realise it .
And we make it a taboo thing , that will help .
Remember , in America we focus on our familys , and ensure delicate children are n't shown this filth , or depicted in it !
And remember , pretending there is n't a problem and hating ourself for it has a great track record !
Ted Haggard told me so .
( 2 ) Oh crap... well.. reality is here to crap on my parade again .
I hate when that happens .
The United States has the world 's highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics .
And before you shout the population difference , I 'm saying per person , not total rapes .
The US is about 18 times higher than Japan .
In 100,000 women , 33 will be raped in America , with that same 100,000 less then 2 would be raped in Japan .
( 1 ) Tagging " Save the Children " on to your reasons to want to ban something which offends you makes you a horrible person .
Grow up and realise everyones got some odd fetish , desire , or drive .
Dealing with it responsibly , rather then letting it fester , is a sign of a mature person .
I 'd rather someone masterbate to drawings and games , regardless if it 's a rape fetish or child fetish , then try to act out such desires .
show your work : ( 1 ) http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape \ _statistics # UN \ _Statistics [ wikipedia.org ] ( statistics ca n't prove anything of course , however , they do cast doubt on banning crap helping ) ( 2 ) google : " anti-gay preacher male prostitute " for several results , Ted Haggard was just the most well known case , there are many more</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously this will protect familys the world around.
Remember, the further into the closet you can push such issues, the less likely it will be that someone will do behave that way!
I mean if we can just hide the fact that rape is possible, people won't realise it.
And we make it a taboo thing, that will help.
Remember, in America we focus on our familys, and ensure delicate children aren't shown this filth, or depicted in it!
And remember, pretending there isn't a problem and hating ourself for it has a great track record!
Ted Haggard told me so.
(2)

Oh crap... well.. reality is here to crap on my parade again.
I hate when that happens.
The United States has the world's highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics.
And before you shout the population difference, I'm saying per person, not total rapes.
The US is about 18 times higher than Japan.
In 100,000 women, 33 will be raped in America, with that same 100,000 less then 2 would be raped in Japan.
(1)

Tagging "Save the Children" on to your reasons to want to ban something which offends you makes you a horrible person.
Grow up and realise everyones got some odd fetish, desire, or drive.
Dealing with it responsibly, rather then letting it fester, is a sign of a mature person.
I'd rather someone masterbate to drawings and games, regardless if it's a rape fetish or child fetish, then try to act out such desires.
show your work:
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape\_statistics#UN\_Statistics [wikipedia.org]  (statistics can't prove anything of course, however, they do cast doubt on banning crap helping)
(2) google:  "anti-gay preacher male prostitute" for several results, Ted Haggard was just the most well known case, there are many more</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28251007</id>
	<title>Are there exemptions for ...</title>
	<author>slackerdeluxe</author>
	<datestamp>1244475960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... scenes involving tentacles?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... scenes involving tentacles ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... scenes involving tentacles?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28250591</id>
	<title>Does that mean DRM is banned too?</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1244473860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Digital Rights Management is a form of economic rape.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Digital Rights Management is a form of economic rape .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Digital Rights Management is a form of economic rape.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_08_056259.28248445</id>
	<title>Re:Protect the innocent!</title>
	<author>corsec67</author>
	<datestamp>1244454780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is there such a huge demand for murder simulators in the US?</p><p>Why are some crimes forbidden to simulate, but violence, shooting people, and murder are fine?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is there such a huge demand for murder simulators in the US ? Why are some crimes forbidden to simulate , but violence , shooting people , and murder are fine ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is there such a huge demand for murder simulators in the US?Why are some crimes forbidden to simulate, but violence, shooting people, and murder are fine?</sentencetext>
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