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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_07_0152215</id>
	<title>Palm Pre Is Out, Time For Discussion</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244386620000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.geocities.com/critter\_75075/" rel="nofollow">caffiend666</a> writes <i>"<a href="http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/">Palm Pre</a> is out, let's discuss the status and compare stories.  The first day seems to have <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035\_3-10258825-94.html">gone as well as expected</a>, with many selling out before noon.  I bought the second at the local Sprint store, and so far I like it.  Much more one-hand friendly than the iPhone.  I haven't gotten the main apps to sync with Linux, but the media portion functions much like a thumb-drive with my Fedora-8 Linux system.  For the Pre-verts out there, here's some <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938\_105-10258774-1.html">Palm Pre dismantling pictures</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>caffiend666 writes " Palm Pre is out , let 's discuss the status and compare stories .
The first day seems to have gone as well as expected , with many selling out before noon .
I bought the second at the local Sprint store , and so far I like it .
Much more one-hand friendly than the iPhone .
I have n't gotten the main apps to sync with Linux , but the media portion functions much like a thumb-drive with my Fedora-8 Linux system .
For the Pre-verts out there , here 's some Palm Pre dismantling pictures .
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<sentencetext>caffiend666 writes "Palm Pre is out, let's discuss the status and compare stories.
The first day seems to have gone as well as expected, with many selling out before noon.
I bought the second at the local Sprint store, and so far I like it.
Much more one-hand friendly than the iPhone.
I haven't gotten the main apps to sync with Linux, but the media portion functions much like a thumb-drive with my Fedora-8 Linux system.
For the Pre-verts out there, here's some Palm Pre dismantling pictures.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240679</id>
	<title>Re:So far, 4/5 stars</title>
	<author>jra</author>
	<datestamp>1244381460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cock-a-doodle-Jeezus, Slashdot's code sucks.</p><p>Fourth posting attempt.  Sorry; if this looks like shit, it's Neal's fault.</p><p>Only the second real new electronic toy I've<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... well, ever gotten -- I work the secondary market *hard*...</p><p>It's on Sprint, which is the carrier I've been on anyway for the last 10 years... well, ok, Nextel, but what can you do.   My initial impression?</p><p>B-</p><p>Here's why:</p><ul><li>The ringer isn't loud enough, by 30db or more; I need that thing to be audible in a machine room with 39 servers going, or a car with no A/C.  The ringtones that come with it are these piddly-ass little things that are probably ok in a boardroom, but aren't gonna make it in the real world - UPDATE: No, it's the hardware.  I took uniphone.wav -- the Universal Studios default WECo300 phone ring (you heard it in the opening of The Rockford Files, among other places) -- and converted it to MP3 and dropped it in the phone (which isn't a phone while you're USB-Driving it; LAME) and set it to that.  No louder.  I've *heard* that speaker be louder; I don't know what the hell they're doing with it that it can't ring at a ring-y volume...</li><li>The browser needs a "right-click" menu on objects such as embedded images, click-and-hold on the navigation buttons to move more than one page at a time in the history, and an *easy* way to turn off all that nifty CSS rendering and get information on the screen in a size my 43 year old eyes can actually *see*.  I'm happy for you that you can render pretty pages.  On a phone, I'm not generally <i>interested</i> in pretty pages; I'm interested in *information*.</li><li>And the global font size doesn't seem adjustable either, which will also get it sent back</li><li>At least the audio is good... and my partner and I are both picky...</li><li>I come from a 5-column BlackBerry SureType hard-keyboard background--and Grafitti before that--and I'm pretty happy with the keyboard.  It's got enough tack to it that, as shiny as it is (and I'm worried about that cause the keytops are convex and glossy, which causes glare problems), your fingers catch on the keys pretty decently.  I just hope it's double-shot molded, so the labels don't wear off.</li><li>That said, it needs the auto-punctuation and abbreviation facilities of the BlackBerries.</li><li>On the other hand, in their rush to make it have as few buttons as possible -- you know, cause style trumps functionality -- they didn't put a hard-button on the side for the *camera shutter*... which means that not only is it difficult to frame pictures of yourself, it's impossible to *take* them, cause your hands won't bend around that far.</li><li>Oh, Christ Jeezus... it's not a Nextel phone: it <b>roams</b>.  Like, at my office desk.  No *wonder* I got an Alltel intercept message.  That's fatal, right there.  If it doesn't get a signal, in all the places I spend my time, it's going right on back.</li><li>The more I use it, the more I decide that it's just really not all that comfortable to hold and use.  I'm not talking about the shape of the body; I mean that if you want to do anything besides hold it in one hand and gesture at it with the other, you're screwed: there are no edges to hook your fingers on; it's uncomfortable to try to drive one handed, and so much of the front is active that if you try to hold it in your off hand for, say, reading while lying on your back, you're going to *do* things you didn't intend; a problem neither my Blackberry 7100i nor my Nokia n800 presents me with</li><li>There is one gripe everyone else seems to have that I want to counter: until you <b>can't get through a day</b> with it, would you quit bitching about the battery life?  Really...</li><li>More to follow here, as I screw around with it</li></ul><p>And, on another related note, I should say that I picked up a Plantronics Voyager Pro headset to go with it -- the newer, even geekier looking version of the Voyager 510 I used to use -- and I'm even happier with its fit and audio quality than I was with the 510.  Recommended.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cock-a-doodle-Jeezus , Slashdot 's code sucks.Fourth posting attempt .
Sorry ; if this looks like shit , it 's Neal 's fault.Only the second real new electronic toy I 've ... well , ever gotten -- I work the secondary market * hard * ...It 's on Sprint , which is the carrier I 've been on anyway for the last 10 years... well , ok , Nextel , but what can you do .
My initial impression ? B-Here 's why : The ringer is n't loud enough , by 30db or more ; I need that thing to be audible in a machine room with 39 servers going , or a car with no A/C .
The ringtones that come with it are these piddly-ass little things that are probably ok in a boardroom , but are n't gon na make it in the real world - UPDATE : No , it 's the hardware .
I took uniphone.wav -- the Universal Studios default WECo300 phone ring ( you heard it in the opening of The Rockford Files , among other places ) -- and converted it to MP3 and dropped it in the phone ( which is n't a phone while you 're USB-Driving it ; LAME ) and set it to that .
No louder .
I 've * heard * that speaker be louder ; I do n't know what the hell they 're doing with it that it ca n't ring at a ring-y volume...The browser needs a " right-click " menu on objects such as embedded images , click-and-hold on the navigation buttons to move more than one page at a time in the history , and an * easy * way to turn off all that nifty CSS rendering and get information on the screen in a size my 43 year old eyes can actually * see * .
I 'm happy for you that you can render pretty pages .
On a phone , I 'm not generally interested in pretty pages ; I 'm interested in * information * .And the global font size does n't seem adjustable either , which will also get it sent backAt least the audio is good... and my partner and I are both picky...I come from a 5-column BlackBerry SureType hard-keyboard background--and Grafitti before that--and I 'm pretty happy with the keyboard .
It 's got enough tack to it that , as shiny as it is ( and I 'm worried about that cause the keytops are convex and glossy , which causes glare problems ) , your fingers catch on the keys pretty decently .
I just hope it 's double-shot molded , so the labels do n't wear off.That said , it needs the auto-punctuation and abbreviation facilities of the BlackBerries.On the other hand , in their rush to make it have as few buttons as possible -- you know , cause style trumps functionality -- they did n't put a hard-button on the side for the * camera shutter * ... which means that not only is it difficult to frame pictures of yourself , it 's impossible to * take * them , cause your hands wo n't bend around that far.Oh , Christ Jeezus... it 's not a Nextel phone : it roams .
Like , at my office desk .
No * wonder * I got an Alltel intercept message .
That 's fatal , right there .
If it does n't get a signal , in all the places I spend my time , it 's going right on back.The more I use it , the more I decide that it 's just really not all that comfortable to hold and use .
I 'm not talking about the shape of the body ; I mean that if you want to do anything besides hold it in one hand and gesture at it with the other , you 're screwed : there are no edges to hook your fingers on ; it 's uncomfortable to try to drive one handed , and so much of the front is active that if you try to hold it in your off hand for , say , reading while lying on your back , you 're going to * do * things you did n't intend ; a problem neither my Blackberry 7100i nor my Nokia n800 presents me withThere is one gripe everyone else seems to have that I want to counter : until you ca n't get through a day with it , would you quit bitching about the battery life ?
Really...More to follow here , as I screw around with itAnd , on another related note , I should say that I picked up a Plantronics Voyager Pro headset to go with it -- the newer , even geekier looking version of the Voyager 510 I used to use -- and I 'm even happier with its fit and audio quality than I was with the 510 .
Recommended .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cock-a-doodle-Jeezus, Slashdot's code sucks.Fourth posting attempt.
Sorry; if this looks like shit, it's Neal's fault.Only the second real new electronic toy I've ... well, ever gotten -- I work the secondary market *hard*...It's on Sprint, which is the carrier I've been on anyway for the last 10 years... well, ok, Nextel, but what can you do.
My initial impression?B-Here's why:The ringer isn't loud enough, by 30db or more; I need that thing to be audible in a machine room with 39 servers going, or a car with no A/C.
The ringtones that come with it are these piddly-ass little things that are probably ok in a boardroom, but aren't gonna make it in the real world - UPDATE: No, it's the hardware.
I took uniphone.wav -- the Universal Studios default WECo300 phone ring (you heard it in the opening of The Rockford Files, among other places) -- and converted it to MP3 and dropped it in the phone (which isn't a phone while you're USB-Driving it; LAME) and set it to that.
No louder.
I've *heard* that speaker be louder; I don't know what the hell they're doing with it that it can't ring at a ring-y volume...The browser needs a "right-click" menu on objects such as embedded images, click-and-hold on the navigation buttons to move more than one page at a time in the history, and an *easy* way to turn off all that nifty CSS rendering and get information on the screen in a size my 43 year old eyes can actually *see*.
I'm happy for you that you can render pretty pages.
On a phone, I'm not generally interested in pretty pages; I'm interested in *information*.And the global font size doesn't seem adjustable either, which will also get it sent backAt least the audio is good... and my partner and I are both picky...I come from a 5-column BlackBerry SureType hard-keyboard background--and Grafitti before that--and I'm pretty happy with the keyboard.
It's got enough tack to it that, as shiny as it is (and I'm worried about that cause the keytops are convex and glossy, which causes glare problems), your fingers catch on the keys pretty decently.
I just hope it's double-shot molded, so the labels don't wear off.That said, it needs the auto-punctuation and abbreviation facilities of the BlackBerries.On the other hand, in their rush to make it have as few buttons as possible -- you know, cause style trumps functionality -- they didn't put a hard-button on the side for the *camera shutter*... which means that not only is it difficult to frame pictures of yourself, it's impossible to *take* them, cause your hands won't bend around that far.Oh, Christ Jeezus... it's not a Nextel phone: it roams.
Like, at my office desk.
No *wonder* I got an Alltel intercept message.
That's fatal, right there.
If it doesn't get a signal, in all the places I spend my time, it's going right on back.The more I use it, the more I decide that it's just really not all that comfortable to hold and use.
I'm not talking about the shape of the body; I mean that if you want to do anything besides hold it in one hand and gesture at it with the other, you're screwed: there are no edges to hook your fingers on; it's uncomfortable to try to drive one handed, and so much of the front is active that if you try to hold it in your off hand for, say, reading while lying on your back, you're going to *do* things you didn't intend; a problem neither my Blackberry 7100i nor my Nokia n800 presents me withThere is one gripe everyone else seems to have that I want to counter: until you can't get through a day with it, would you quit bitching about the battery life?
Really...More to follow here, as I screw around with itAnd, on another related note, I should say that I picked up a Plantronics Voyager Pro headset to go with it -- the newer, even geekier looking version of the Voyager 510 I used to use -- and I'm even happier with its fit and audio quality than I was with the 510.
Recommended.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28243431</id>
	<title>Re:So the Pre 1.0 makes me appreciate my Treo 755p</title>
	<author>tchapin</author>
	<datestamp>1244406840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See, I'm in your situation with a 700p that I've had for 2.5 years that is slowly biting the dust.</p><p>I worry about Palm's ability to follow through and keep supporting the Pre. Signs indicate that they will have to, since people have come to expect this since the iPhone. Also, Palm has been making noises that the Pre will be a longer term sort of device rather than the current year's model that gets forgotten about. Another change that speaks in terms of the Pre being a longer-lasting device is the potential for the app store. By getting part of the sales from apps in the app store, Palm generates revenue that encourages them to support the device.</p><p>I do find the stylus to be a hack though. The Treo's screens are small, so a stylus is needed since the controls were equally small. Another reason for the stylus is that older touchscreens did not have as fine a sensitivity as that in the Pre or the iPhone.</p><p>The thing about the Treos was that most of the hardware was fairly similar from the 600 all the way to the 700p and the Centro. It keeps costs down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See , I 'm in your situation with a 700p that I 've had for 2.5 years that is slowly biting the dust.I worry about Palm 's ability to follow through and keep supporting the Pre .
Signs indicate that they will have to , since people have come to expect this since the iPhone .
Also , Palm has been making noises that the Pre will be a longer term sort of device rather than the current year 's model that gets forgotten about .
Another change that speaks in terms of the Pre being a longer-lasting device is the potential for the app store .
By getting part of the sales from apps in the app store , Palm generates revenue that encourages them to support the device.I do find the stylus to be a hack though .
The Treo 's screens are small , so a stylus is needed since the controls were equally small .
Another reason for the stylus is that older touchscreens did not have as fine a sensitivity as that in the Pre or the iPhone.The thing about the Treos was that most of the hardware was fairly similar from the 600 all the way to the 700p and the Centro .
It keeps costs down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See, I'm in your situation with a 700p that I've had for 2.5 years that is slowly biting the dust.I worry about Palm's ability to follow through and keep supporting the Pre.
Signs indicate that they will have to, since people have come to expect this since the iPhone.
Also, Palm has been making noises that the Pre will be a longer term sort of device rather than the current year's model that gets forgotten about.
Another change that speaks in terms of the Pre being a longer-lasting device is the potential for the app store.
By getting part of the sales from apps in the app store, Palm generates revenue that encourages them to support the device.I do find the stylus to be a hack though.
The Treo's screens are small, so a stylus is needed since the controls were equally small.
Another reason for the stylus is that older touchscreens did not have as fine a sensitivity as that in the Pre or the iPhone.The thing about the Treos was that most of the hardware was fairly similar from the 600 all the way to the 700p and the Centro.
It keeps costs down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239791</id>
	<title>Re:Fedora 8?</title>
	<author>terjeber</author>
	<datestamp>1244407800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does anyone use Windows 95 these days? Doesn't that require surgical brain removal first?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone use Windows 95 these days ?
Does n't that require surgical brain removal first ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone use Windows 95 these days?
Doesn't that require surgical brain removal first?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238663</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone have words about the browsing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, he did say it was "much more one-hand friendly than the iPhone."</p><p>fap, fap, fap</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , he did say it was " much more one-hand friendly than the iPhone .
" fap , fap , fap</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, he did say it was "much more one-hand friendly than the iPhone.
"fap, fap, fap</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240455</id>
	<title>Yay Copy&amp;Paste... oh wait</title>
	<author>Amorpheus\_MMS</author>
	<datestamp>1244378280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No mention yet about Copy&amp;Paste which the iPhone got a lot of comments about lacking, and was always brought up as a bonus for every other new phone.</p><p>Here's how it works on the Pre: You can't copy text that you can't edit. No copying text from a website, or an SMS, or an email unless you reply and copy from there.<br><a href="http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/182854-copy-paste-you-kidding-me.html" title="precentral.net" rel="nofollow">http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/182854-copy-paste-you-kidding-me.html</a> [precentral.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No mention yet about Copy&amp;Paste which the iPhone got a lot of comments about lacking , and was always brought up as a bonus for every other new phone.Here 's how it works on the Pre : You ca n't copy text that you ca n't edit .
No copying text from a website , or an SMS , or an email unless you reply and copy from there.http : //forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/182854-copy-paste-you-kidding-me.html [ precentral.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No mention yet about Copy&amp;Paste which the iPhone got a lot of comments about lacking, and was always brought up as a bonus for every other new phone.Here's how it works on the Pre: You can't copy text that you can't edit.
No copying text from a website, or an SMS, or an email unless you reply and copy from there.http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/182854-copy-paste-you-kidding-me.html [precentral.net]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239317</id>
	<title>Don't remove battery?</title>
	<author>sbierwagen</author>
	<datestamp>1244313240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a Sprint employee <a href="http://bbot.org/blog/archives/2009/06/07/buying\_the\_new\_jesusphone/index.html" title="bbot.org" rel="nofollow">warn me</a> [bbot.org] never to remove the battery, or else it'd lose everything in memory. Which seems odd, since 1.) Palm hyped the removable battery over the iphone's soldered in one and 2.) Everything's on flash memory, which isn't volatile.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a Sprint employee warn me [ bbot.org ] never to remove the battery , or else it 'd lose everything in memory .
Which seems odd , since 1 .
) Palm hyped the removable battery over the iphone 's soldered in one and 2 .
) Everything 's on flash memory , which is n't volatile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a Sprint employee warn me [bbot.org] never to remove the battery, or else it'd lose everything in memory.
Which seems odd, since 1.
) Palm hyped the removable battery over the iphone's soldered in one and 2.
) Everything's on flash memory, which isn't volatile.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28244933</id>
	<title>Re:Better Javascript support</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244375520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems to work just fine on my iPhone.  Perhaps you should look in iTunes for a little present in the coming days or weeks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems to work just fine on my iPhone .
Perhaps you should look in iTunes for a little present in the coming days or weeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems to work just fine on my iPhone.
Perhaps you should look in iTunes for a little present in the coming days or weeks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238863</id>
	<title>Palm Pre is out!!!</title>
	<author>gringofrijolero</author>
	<datestamp>1244306580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Time for a big front page ad!!</p><p>Get yours today! First 3,000 customers get this cheap plastic carrying case! Absolutely FREE!!!</p><p><i>Close the door, and the light stays on!<br>Two shelves where none are needed...</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time for a big front page ad !
! Get yours today !
First 3,000 customers get this cheap plastic carrying case !
Absolutely FREE ! !
! Close the door , and the light stays on ! Two shelves where none are needed.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time for a big front page ad!
!Get yours today!
First 3,000 customers get this cheap plastic carrying case!
Absolutely FREE!!
!Close the door, and the light stays on!Two shelves where none are needed...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28244815</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone have words about the browsing</title>
	<author>tchapin</author>
	<datestamp>1244374740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It wouldn't be hard for the web browser of the Pre to be better than PalmOS Treos, as Blazer was developed in 2001 by Handspring. My impression, having used it since 2003, is that it hasn't been updated since it was first developed.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blazer\_(web\_browser)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blazer\_(web\_browser)</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would n't be hard for the web browser of the Pre to be better than PalmOS Treos , as Blazer was developed in 2001 by Handspring .
My impression , having used it since 2003 , is that it has n't been updated since it was first developed.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blazer \ _ ( web \ _browser ) [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wouldn't be hard for the web browser of the Pre to be better than PalmOS Treos, as Blazer was developed in 2001 by Handspring.
My impression, having used it since 2003, is that it hasn't been updated since it was first developed.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blazer\_(web\_browser) [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240699</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone have words about the browsing</title>
	<author>jra</author>
	<datestamp>1244381880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I personally *prefer* to get the page I asked for, even if it's non-mobile, but I don't mind a site forcing me to the mobile page as long as a) it gives me a link there to the non-mobile version, and b) it takes me *to the page I asked for*, and not some mobile portal page -- I'm looking at *you*, Crisp and mDog, and all the sites that use you (now, alas, including my hometown St Pete Times, which I can no longer reasonably read from my Blackberry &lt;sigh&gt;).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I personally * prefer * to get the page I asked for , even if it 's non-mobile , but I do n't mind a site forcing me to the mobile page as long as a ) it gives me a link there to the non-mobile version , and b ) it takes me * to the page I asked for * , and not some mobile portal page -- I 'm looking at * you * , Crisp and mDog , and all the sites that use you ( now , alas , including my hometown St Pete Times , which I can no longer reasonably read from my Blackberry ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I personally *prefer* to get the page I asked for, even if it's non-mobile, but I don't mind a site forcing me to the mobile page as long as a) it gives me a link there to the non-mobile version, and b) it takes me *to the page I asked for*, and not some mobile portal page -- I'm looking at *you*, Crisp and mDog, and all the sites that use you (now, alas, including my hometown St Pete Times, which I can no longer reasonably read from my Blackberry ).</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28242203</id>
	<title>Re:Why would You Buy a Pre NOW?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244397720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For me, I prefer the physical keyboard and better smaller pocketable size. I have an iPod touch and wouldn't want or need an iPhone anyway</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For me , I prefer the physical keyboard and better smaller pocketable size .
I have an iPod touch and would n't want or need an iPhone anyway</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me, I prefer the physical keyboard and better smaller pocketable size.
I have an iPod touch and wouldn't want or need an iPhone anyway</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240197</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28249693</id>
	<title>Re:So far, 4/5 stars</title>
	<author>intheshelter</author>
	<datestamp>1244468580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So the built in keyboard already has you dreading opening it because it's inconvenient?  Score 1 for the iPhone and the genius of the on-screen keyboard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So the built in keyboard already has you dreading opening it because it 's inconvenient ?
Score 1 for the iPhone and the genius of the on-screen keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the built in keyboard already has you dreading opening it because it's inconvenient?
Score 1 for the iPhone and the genius of the on-screen keyboard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238813</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28242099</id>
	<title>Re:After 20 minutes of use...</title>
	<author>Flytrap</author>
	<datestamp>1244396820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Yes of course the original KHTML code was the original constituent that was used to create WebKit... but WebKit is a lot more than just html rendering (which is all that KHTML was) and Apple's engineers significantly refactored both the original KHTML and the KJS scripting engine (in fact there is no longer any trace of the original KJS scripting engine in WebKit, that is why everyone only makes reference to the original KHTML now). <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit#History" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit#History</a> [wikipedia.org]. This was the original bone of contention - Apple built completely new engines and was trying to force these back into the main KDE streams
</p><p>
What many people do not realise is that Apple didn't publish their folk for a year, while they worked on it. By the time Don Melton (the lead engineer at Apple) announced it to the KDE community on 7 Jan 2003, over half the original KHTML and KJS code had been replaced because it required other components from KDE and Qt. Don informed the KHTML/KJS teams in an email <a href="http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&amp;m=104197092318639&amp;w=2" title="kde.org" rel="nofollow">http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&amp;m=104197092318639&amp;w=2</a> [kde.org] saying: "Both WebCore and JavaScriptCore, which account for a little over half the code in Safari [WebKit], are being released as open source today." The idea was for the KDE team to incorporate WebCore back into the KHTML project. This was only a partial success as some of the WebCore and JavaScriptCore code was never successfully incorporated into the KDE branch.
</p><p>
On 7 June 2005 Apple announced that it was open sourcing all of WebKit [Safari rendering and scripting engines] and not just the abstraction frameworks.
</p><p>
So, already by 2005 (as of Jan 2003, actually) the vast majority of WebKit was already Apple code!
</p><p>
Later in 2005 Apple engineers ported support for Scalable Vector Graphics into WebKit <a href="http://dot.kde.org/1121021917/" title="kde.org" rel="nofollow">http://dot.kde.org/1121021917/</a> [kde.org]
</p><p>
By the end of 2007, Apple had incorporated HTML 5 Media features <a href="http://webkit.org/blog/140/html5-media-support/" title="webkit.org" rel="nofollow">http://webkit.org/blog/140/html5-media-support/</a> [webkit.org]
</p><p>
A few months later in 2008 the WebKit team announced that they had rewritten JavaScriptCore as "SquirrelFish", a new bytecode interpreter <a href="http://webkit.org/blog/189/announcing-squirrelfish/" title="webkit.org" rel="nofollow">http://webkit.org/blog/189/announcing-squirrelfish/</a> [webkit.org], which was later advanced to SquirrelFish Extreme by the end of that same year. SquirrelFish Extreme compiles JavaScript into native machine code, eliminating the need for a bytecode interpreter and thus speeding up JavaScript execution <a href="http://webkit.org/blog/214/introducing-squirrelfish-extreme/" title="webkit.org" rel="nofollow">http://webkit.org/blog/214/introducing-squirrelfish-extreme/</a> [webkit.org]. My tip for the future is to watch this space for Apple to out-Pre the Pre with respect to natively compiled HTML5/JavaScript applications that run at machine speed within WebKit.
</p><p>
Keep in mind the fact that there are lots of other bits and pieces that were never part of the original KHTML rendering engine or the KJS scripting engine that now make up WebKit, such as the Drosera a JavaScript debugger, etc.
</p><p>
By this stage, it was clear that Apple's platform abstraction framework and adapter library called KWQ (and pronounced "quack") that replaced the KDE and Qt components that KHTML and KJS relied upon made WebKit the most platform versatile and standards compliant web client; having passed the Acid3 test "with pixel-perfect rendering and no timing or smoothness issues on reference hardware" <a href="http://webkit.org/blog/280/full-pass-of-acid-3/" title="webkit.org" rel="nofollow">http://webkit.org/blog/280/full-pass-of-acid-3/</a> [webkit.org]. This is when Google, Nokia, Palm, et al started looking in at the true cross platform potential of WebKit.
</p><p>
Now keep in mind that all these developments and innovations to WebKit, since 2003 (at which time half the code was already Apple's code) were added almost entirely by Apple engineers.
</p><p>
Then in June 2007 Ars Technica in</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes of course the original KHTML code was the original constituent that was used to create WebKit... but WebKit is a lot more than just html rendering ( which is all that KHTML was ) and Apple 's engineers significantly refactored both the original KHTML and the KJS scripting engine ( in fact there is no longer any trace of the original KJS scripting engine in WebKit , that is why everyone only makes reference to the original KHTML now ) .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit # History [ wikipedia.org ] .
This was the original bone of contention - Apple built completely new engines and was trying to force these back into the main KDE streams What many people do not realise is that Apple did n't publish their folk for a year , while they worked on it .
By the time Don Melton ( the lead engineer at Apple ) announced it to the KDE community on 7 Jan 2003 , over half the original KHTML and KJS code had been replaced because it required other components from KDE and Qt .
Don informed the KHTML/KJS teams in an email http : //lists.kde.org/ ? l = kfm-devel&amp;m = 104197092318639&amp;w = 2 [ kde.org ] saying : " Both WebCore and JavaScriptCore , which account for a little over half the code in Safari [ WebKit ] , are being released as open source today .
" The idea was for the KDE team to incorporate WebCore back into the KHTML project .
This was only a partial success as some of the WebCore and JavaScriptCore code was never successfully incorporated into the KDE branch .
On 7 June 2005 Apple announced that it was open sourcing all of WebKit [ Safari rendering and scripting engines ] and not just the abstraction frameworks .
So , already by 2005 ( as of Jan 2003 , actually ) the vast majority of WebKit was already Apple code !
Later in 2005 Apple engineers ported support for Scalable Vector Graphics into WebKit http : //dot.kde.org/1121021917/ [ kde.org ] By the end of 2007 , Apple had incorporated HTML 5 Media features http : //webkit.org/blog/140/html5-media-support/ [ webkit.org ] A few months later in 2008 the WebKit team announced that they had rewritten JavaScriptCore as " SquirrelFish " , a new bytecode interpreter http : //webkit.org/blog/189/announcing-squirrelfish/ [ webkit.org ] , which was later advanced to SquirrelFish Extreme by the end of that same year .
SquirrelFish Extreme compiles JavaScript into native machine code , eliminating the need for a bytecode interpreter and thus speeding up JavaScript execution http : //webkit.org/blog/214/introducing-squirrelfish-extreme/ [ webkit.org ] .
My tip for the future is to watch this space for Apple to out-Pre the Pre with respect to natively compiled HTML5/JavaScript applications that run at machine speed within WebKit .
Keep in mind the fact that there are lots of other bits and pieces that were never part of the original KHTML rendering engine or the KJS scripting engine that now make up WebKit , such as the Drosera a JavaScript debugger , etc .
By this stage , it was clear that Apple 's platform abstraction framework and adapter library called KWQ ( and pronounced " quack " ) that replaced the KDE and Qt components that KHTML and KJS relied upon made WebKit the most platform versatile and standards compliant web client ; having passed the Acid3 test " with pixel-perfect rendering and no timing or smoothness issues on reference hardware " http : //webkit.org/blog/280/full-pass-of-acid-3/ [ webkit.org ] .
This is when Google , Nokia , Palm , et al started looking in at the true cross platform potential of WebKit .
Now keep in mind that all these developments and innovations to WebKit , since 2003 ( at which time half the code was already Apple 's code ) were added almost entirely by Apple engineers .
Then in June 2007 Ars Technica in</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Yes of course the original KHTML code was the original constituent that was used to create WebKit... but WebKit is a lot more than just html rendering (which is all that KHTML was) and Apple's engineers significantly refactored both the original KHTML and the KJS scripting engine (in fact there is no longer any trace of the original KJS scripting engine in WebKit, that is why everyone only makes reference to the original KHTML now).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit#History [wikipedia.org].
This was the original bone of contention - Apple built completely new engines and was trying to force these back into the main KDE streams

What many people do not realise is that Apple didn't publish their folk for a year, while they worked on it.
By the time Don Melton (the lead engineer at Apple) announced it to the KDE community on 7 Jan 2003, over half the original KHTML and KJS code had been replaced because it required other components from KDE and Qt.
Don informed the KHTML/KJS teams in an email http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&amp;m=104197092318639&amp;w=2 [kde.org] saying: "Both WebCore and JavaScriptCore, which account for a little over half the code in Safari [WebKit], are being released as open source today.
" The idea was for the KDE team to incorporate WebCore back into the KHTML project.
This was only a partial success as some of the WebCore and JavaScriptCore code was never successfully incorporated into the KDE branch.
On 7 June 2005 Apple announced that it was open sourcing all of WebKit [Safari rendering and scripting engines] and not just the abstraction frameworks.
So, already by 2005 (as of Jan 2003, actually) the vast majority of WebKit was already Apple code!
Later in 2005 Apple engineers ported support for Scalable Vector Graphics into WebKit http://dot.kde.org/1121021917/ [kde.org]

By the end of 2007, Apple had incorporated HTML 5 Media features http://webkit.org/blog/140/html5-media-support/ [webkit.org]

A few months later in 2008 the WebKit team announced that they had rewritten JavaScriptCore as "SquirrelFish", a new bytecode interpreter http://webkit.org/blog/189/announcing-squirrelfish/ [webkit.org], which was later advanced to SquirrelFish Extreme by the end of that same year.
SquirrelFish Extreme compiles JavaScript into native machine code, eliminating the need for a bytecode interpreter and thus speeding up JavaScript execution http://webkit.org/blog/214/introducing-squirrelfish-extreme/ [webkit.org].
My tip for the future is to watch this space for Apple to out-Pre the Pre with respect to natively compiled HTML5/JavaScript applications that run at machine speed within WebKit.
Keep in mind the fact that there are lots of other bits and pieces that were never part of the original KHTML rendering engine or the KJS scripting engine that now make up WebKit, such as the Drosera a JavaScript debugger, etc.
By this stage, it was clear that Apple's platform abstraction framework and adapter library called KWQ (and pronounced "quack") that replaced the KDE and Qt components that KHTML and KJS relied upon made WebKit the most platform versatile and standards compliant web client; having passed the Acid3 test "with pixel-perfect rendering and no timing or smoothness issues on reference hardware" http://webkit.org/blog/280/full-pass-of-acid-3/ [webkit.org].
This is when Google, Nokia, Palm, et al started looking in at the true cross platform potential of WebKit.
Now keep in mind that all these developments and innovations to WebKit, since 2003 (at which time half the code was already Apple's code) were added almost entirely by Apple engineers.
Then in June 2007 Ars Technica in</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28241271</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240407</id>
	<title>Re:Fedora 8?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244377620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows 95? I doubt it very much and with very good reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 95 ?
I doubt it very much and with very good reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 95?
I doubt it very much and with very good reason.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238639</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28241933</id>
	<title>Re:Holding out for the underdog</title>
	<author>distilledprodigy</author>
	<datestamp>1244395740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Verizon Wireless CEO Lowell McAdam has just announced a number of new devices to be available from the carrier &#226;oeover the next six months or so&#226; &#226;" and they include the Palm Pre.&#226;oe</p></div><p>Unlike the iPhone, though, the Palm Pre will be available on other networks as soon as 6 months from now.  I'd bet on Sprint having the pre exclusive through the holidays.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon Wireless CEO Lowell McAdam has just announced a number of new devices to be available from the carrier   oeover the next six months or so     " and they include the Palm Pre.   oeUnlike the iPhone , though , the Palm Pre will be available on other networks as soon as 6 months from now .
I 'd bet on Sprint having the pre exclusive through the holidays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon Wireless CEO Lowell McAdam has just announced a number of new devices to be available from the carrier âoeover the next six months or soâ â" and they include the Palm Pre.âoeUnlike the iPhone, though, the Palm Pre will be available on other networks as soon as 6 months from now.
I'd bet on Sprint having the pre exclusive through the holidays.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238773</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239037</id>
	<title>Holding out for the underdog?  Microsoft?</title>
	<author>Gary W. Longsine</author>
	<datestamp>1244308680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft is the real underdog in the cell phone world these days.  Surely you're not holding out for a Windows Mobile device?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is the real underdog in the cell phone world these days .
Surely you 're not holding out for a Windows Mobile device ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft is the real underdog in the cell phone world these days.
Surely you're not holding out for a Windows Mobile device?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238773</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239595</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-Tip</title>
	<author>Kotoku</author>
	<datestamp>1244317680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pssh, like Palm even HAS a Latin language mode.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pssh , like Palm even HAS a Latin language mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pssh, like Palm even HAS a Latin language mode.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239013</id>
	<title>Re:First Impressions</title>
	<author>Finder83</author>
	<datestamp>1244308440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was incorrect in giving AIM as an example to save battery...you CAN turn off AIM (it is a hidden green button in plain site on the messaging app) and was very likely a major cause in my battery draining so quickly</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was incorrect in giving AIM as an example to save battery...you CAN turn off AIM ( it is a hidden green button in plain site on the messaging app ) and was very likely a major cause in my battery draining so quickly</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was incorrect in giving AIM as an example to save battery...you CAN turn off AIM (it is a hidden green button in plain site on the messaging app) and was very likely a major cause in my battery draining so quickly</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238767</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28243957</id>
	<title>Yes, but is it a good PIM ?</title>
	<author>Pascal Sartoretti</author>
	<datestamp>1244368560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What I would like to know is whether the Palm Pre is indeed a good PIM (Personal Information Manager). What was great about Palm OS were the quality of the basic PIM applications (calendar, contacts, tasks, to do's) : fast, responsive, requiring a minimal number of clicks (or taps), and easy to hotsync with my desktop PIM.
<br> <br>
Of course my iPhone is overall much better than the various Treos I had, but I still long for the efficiency of the Treo when doing basic tasks. I hope that Palm has not forgotten what made the Palms and Treos such great tools.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What I would like to know is whether the Palm Pre is indeed a good PIM ( Personal Information Manager ) .
What was great about Palm OS were the quality of the basic PIM applications ( calendar , contacts , tasks , to do 's ) : fast , responsive , requiring a minimal number of clicks ( or taps ) , and easy to hotsync with my desktop PIM .
Of course my iPhone is overall much better than the various Treos I had , but I still long for the efficiency of the Treo when doing basic tasks .
I hope that Palm has not forgotten what made the Palms and Treos such great tools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I would like to know is whether the Palm Pre is indeed a good PIM (Personal Information Manager).
What was great about Palm OS were the quality of the basic PIM applications (calendar, contacts, tasks, to do's) : fast, responsive, requiring a minimal number of clicks (or taps), and easy to hotsync with my desktop PIM.
Of course my iPhone is overall much better than the various Treos I had, but I still long for the efficiency of the Treo when doing basic tasks.
I hope that Palm has not forgotten what made the Palms and Treos such great tools.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238639</id>
	<title>Fedora 8?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please let me know if it syncs with your Windows 95 PC as well.  It's the one thing that's kept me from buying one on launch day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please let me know if it syncs with your Windows 95 PC as well .
It 's the one thing that 's kept me from buying one on launch day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please let me know if it syncs with your Windows 95 PC as well.
It's the one thing that's kept me from buying one on launch day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28243667</id>
	<title>iPhones are on AT&amp;T and I don't want to switch</title>
	<author>OzPhIsH</author>
	<datestamp>1244365380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Uh, I thought iPhone was AT&amp;T only, and some of us don't want to switch carriers, much less switch to AT&amp;T. If iPhone 3.0 is indeed going to multi-carrier, I can agree with a wait-and-see plan of action, but since that doesn't appear to be the case, and as I'm with Sprint and don't want to switch to AT&amp;T, I have zero interest in the iPhone. How could you not understand that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , I thought iPhone was AT&amp;T only , and some of us do n't want to switch carriers , much less switch to AT&amp;T .
If iPhone 3.0 is indeed going to multi-carrier , I can agree with a wait-and-see plan of action , but since that does n't appear to be the case , and as I 'm with Sprint and do n't want to switch to AT&amp;T , I have zero interest in the iPhone .
How could you not understand that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, I thought iPhone was AT&amp;T only, and some of us don't want to switch carriers, much less switch to AT&amp;T.
If iPhone 3.0 is indeed going to multi-carrier, I can agree with a wait-and-see plan of action, but since that doesn't appear to be the case, and as I'm with Sprint and don't want to switch to AT&amp;T, I have zero interest in the iPhone.
How could you not understand that?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240197</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239997</id>
	<title>Re:First Impressions</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1244369820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There's about as much delay as one would expect on a smartphone, but the phone overall feels very responsive (which was my very first impression.)</p> </div><p>This is one thing that makes all smart phones still suck.  Why should we expect any delay, in this day and age?  We've seen all kinds of features get added to smart phones but not a whole lot of improvement in this basic aspect of usability.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's about as much delay as one would expect on a smartphone , but the phone overall feels very responsive ( which was my very first impression .
) This is one thing that makes all smart phones still suck .
Why should we expect any delay , in this day and age ?
We 've seen all kinds of features get added to smart phones but not a whole lot of improvement in this basic aspect of usability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's about as much delay as one would expect on a smartphone, but the phone overall feels very responsive (which was my very first impression.
) This is one thing that makes all smart phones still suck.
Why should we expect any delay, in this day and age?
We've seen all kinds of features get added to smart phones but not a whole lot of improvement in this basic aspect of usability.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238767</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239293</id>
	<title>Re:So the Pre 1.0 makes me appreciate my Treo 755p</title>
	<author>bitMonster</author>
	<datestamp>1244312940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Speak it, brother.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Speak it , brother .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speak it, brother.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238815</id>
	<title>Failure....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This phone is going to flop if palm doesn't have a fix for the mail app that allows it to work properly with exchange active server. It's disappointing they have it working fine on EVERY OTHER PHONE they make, yet their new, top of the line, g-wiz, i-phone slayer completely dies on this basic app.</p><p>part of me wanted to turn around and go back to the store and demand my old plan and a refund, but it really is a VERY cool piece of technology, and I like EVERYTHING about it, except the fact it won't get my work stuff in like it's supposed to.</p><p>I can get by for a few days on just plain old web access, but come ON guys. Give me a break!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This phone is going to flop if palm does n't have a fix for the mail app that allows it to work properly with exchange active server .
It 's disappointing they have it working fine on EVERY OTHER PHONE they make , yet their new , top of the line , g-wiz , i-phone slayer completely dies on this basic app.part of me wanted to turn around and go back to the store and demand my old plan and a refund , but it really is a VERY cool piece of technology , and I like EVERYTHING about it , except the fact it wo n't get my work stuff in like it 's supposed to.I can get by for a few days on just plain old web access , but come ON guys .
Give me a break !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This phone is going to flop if palm doesn't have a fix for the mail app that allows it to work properly with exchange active server.
It's disappointing they have it working fine on EVERY OTHER PHONE they make, yet their new, top of the line, g-wiz, i-phone slayer completely dies on this basic app.part of me wanted to turn around and go back to the store and demand my old plan and a refund, but it really is a VERY cool piece of technology, and I like EVERYTHING about it, except the fact it won't get my work stuff in like it's supposed to.I can get by for a few days on just plain old web access, but come ON guys.
Give me a break!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28242487</id>
	<title>Re:So far, 4/5 stars</title>
	<author>onefriedrice</author>
	<datestamp>1244399580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interesting review.  Personally, I have really disliked Palm keyboards in the past, and the Pre probably will be no exception (though I haven't yet used it <i>over a long period of time</i>).  At the same time, I think the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone is very comfortable to use.  Just a matter of personal taste I guess.<br> <br>

Anyway, I'm incredibly happy that Palm is back from their extended funk.  The OS on the Pre seems fabulous to me.  While I'm not ecstatic about the hardware, another functioning player in this market can only be only be a good thing for us consumers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting review .
Personally , I have really disliked Palm keyboards in the past , and the Pre probably will be no exception ( though I have n't yet used it over a long period of time ) .
At the same time , I think the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone is very comfortable to use .
Just a matter of personal taste I guess .
Anyway , I 'm incredibly happy that Palm is back from their extended funk .
The OS on the Pre seems fabulous to me .
While I 'm not ecstatic about the hardware , another functioning player in this market can only be only be a good thing for us consumers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting review.
Personally, I have really disliked Palm keyboards in the past, and the Pre probably will be no exception (though I haven't yet used it over a long period of time).
At the same time, I think the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone is very comfortable to use.
Just a matter of personal taste I guess.
Anyway, I'm incredibly happy that Palm is back from their extended funk.
The OS on the Pre seems fabulous to me.
While I'm not ecstatic about the hardware, another functioning player in this market can only be only be a good thing for us consumers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238813</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239533</id>
	<title>One hand friendly, eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244316480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's good to know one's priorities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's good to know one 's priorities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's good to know one's priorities.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238741</id>
	<title>Did anyone go to a store...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5277499/palm-pre-review?skyline=true&amp;s=x" title="gizmodo.com">with a block of cheese?</a> [gizmodo.com]</p><p>On a serious note, I'd like to hear from some really picky (but sane) people about how the browser compares to Safari. Does it support iPhone optimizations (viewport) and handle CSS/JS well? If you go to facebook or google do you automatically get the iPhone version? How is the speed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... with a block of cheese ?
[ gizmodo.com ] On a serious note , I 'd like to hear from some really picky ( but sane ) people about how the browser compares to Safari .
Does it support iPhone optimizations ( viewport ) and handle CSS/JS well ?
If you go to facebook or google do you automatically get the iPhone version ?
How is the speed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... with a block of cheese?
[gizmodo.com]On a serious note, I'd like to hear from some really picky (but sane) people about how the browser compares to Safari.
Does it support iPhone optimizations (viewport) and handle CSS/JS well?
If you go to facebook or google do you automatically get the iPhone version?
How is the speed?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238805</id>
	<title>As a Sprint employee...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can safely say my store sold out of the Palm Pre by 5pm. We had 125 units, and despite being a store in Louisiana posted numbers that put us in the top fifteen of the company. I called places like Best Buy, and they were sold out of the few they had almost instantly. Our entire region sold of first party stores sold out by the end of the day. [800 or so phones for the state of Louisiana.] We had a few devices that had issues activating right out of the box, but that's pretty common when it is a new activation method or device. Palm even had a rep at our store the entire day to provide further information for customers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can safely say my store sold out of the Palm Pre by 5pm .
We had 125 units , and despite being a store in Louisiana posted numbers that put us in the top fifteen of the company .
I called places like Best Buy , and they were sold out of the few they had almost instantly .
Our entire region sold of first party stores sold out by the end of the day .
[ 800 or so phones for the state of Louisiana .
] We had a few devices that had issues activating right out of the box , but that 's pretty common when it is a new activation method or device .
Palm even had a rep at our store the entire day to provide further information for customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can safely say my store sold out of the Palm Pre by 5pm.
We had 125 units, and despite being a store in Louisiana posted numbers that put us in the top fifteen of the company.
I called places like Best Buy, and they were sold out of the few they had almost instantly.
Our entire region sold of first party stores sold out by the end of the day.
[800 or so phones for the state of Louisiana.
] We had a few devices that had issues activating right out of the box, but that's pretty common when it is a new activation method or device.
Palm even had a rep at our store the entire day to provide further information for customers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238769</id>
	<title>PalmOS emulation</title>
	<author>jerrydel</author>
	<datestamp>1244305500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For me, the PalmOS emulation is going to sell it - or not.  I'm not getting a smartphone until it can replace the most-used stuff on my T3.  I hope this is it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>For me , the PalmOS emulation is going to sell it - or not .
I 'm not getting a smartphone until it can replace the most-used stuff on my T3 .
I hope this is it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me, the PalmOS emulation is going to sell it - or not.
I'm not getting a smartphone until it can replace the most-used stuff on my T3.
I hope this is it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239463</id>
	<title>Exchange ActiveSync SSL issues</title>
	<author>bherman</author>
	<datestamp>1244315700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>There seems to be many people having issues with s self signed SSL certificates on Exchange.  The phone requires you to load the certificate and "trust" it before you can connect.  It doesn't allow for you to "trust" it inline with the EAS setup (ala Windows Mobile and iPhone).  If you get past that, and you are running a standard SBS sever which by default creates a self signed cert with CNs for the private AD host name, the public dns host name and some SBS specific websites (companyweb and others).  The pre supports multiple CN certificates, but it seems from some early research I did with a friend who just picked one up, that it uses the 1st CN to create the SSL connection (or verify the root ca) instead of the server url the user entered in the setup.  Since many small shops don't use their public domain name as their AD domain name there seem to be many people having an issue.<br> <br>

Also, the error message it provides is not very helpful and is generic "SSL certificate error. Is the date and time correct"<br> <br>

Thankfully my friend's company happened to own the domain they used for the internal AD as well and since he is the admin he just added in the DNS records for it.  It then worked as designed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There seems to be many people having issues with s self signed SSL certificates on Exchange .
The phone requires you to load the certificate and " trust " it before you can connect .
It does n't allow for you to " trust " it inline with the EAS setup ( ala Windows Mobile and iPhone ) .
If you get past that , and you are running a standard SBS sever which by default creates a self signed cert with CNs for the private AD host name , the public dns host name and some SBS specific websites ( companyweb and others ) .
The pre supports multiple CN certificates , but it seems from some early research I did with a friend who just picked one up , that it uses the 1st CN to create the SSL connection ( or verify the root ca ) instead of the server url the user entered in the setup .
Since many small shops do n't use their public domain name as their AD domain name there seem to be many people having an issue .
Also , the error message it provides is not very helpful and is generic " SSL certificate error .
Is the date and time correct " Thankfully my friend 's company happened to own the domain they used for the internal AD as well and since he is the admin he just added in the DNS records for it .
It then worked as designed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There seems to be many people having issues with s self signed SSL certificates on Exchange.
The phone requires you to load the certificate and "trust" it before you can connect.
It doesn't allow for you to "trust" it inline with the EAS setup (ala Windows Mobile and iPhone).
If you get past that, and you are running a standard SBS sever which by default creates a self signed cert with CNs for the private AD host name, the public dns host name and some SBS specific websites (companyweb and others).
The pre supports multiple CN certificates, but it seems from some early research I did with a friend who just picked one up, that it uses the 1st CN to create the SSL connection (or verify the root ca) instead of the server url the user entered in the setup.
Since many small shops don't use their public domain name as their AD domain name there seem to be many people having an issue.
Also, the error message it provides is not very helpful and is generic "SSL certificate error.
Is the date and time correct" 

Thankfully my friend's company happened to own the domain they used for the internal AD as well and since he is the admin he just added in the DNS records for it.
It then worked as designed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28241077</id>
	<title>Re:So the Pre 1.0 makes me appreciate my Treo 755p</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244387400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Picked up a pre yesterday. Came from Treos and most recently the Palm Centro.</p><p>Only real complaint after 1 day... The lack of the 5 way when editing text. Easy fix though... Let us use the nuber keys as arrows.. I suggest alt then shift to enable the 2468 keys to act as up left right and down respectively.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Picked up a pre yesterday .
Came from Treos and most recently the Palm Centro.Only real complaint after 1 day... The lack of the 5 way when editing text .
Easy fix though... Let us use the nuber keys as arrows.. I suggest alt then shift to enable the 2468 keys to act as up left right and down respectively .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Picked up a pre yesterday.
Came from Treos and most recently the Palm Centro.Only real complaint after 1 day... The lack of the 5 way when editing text.
Easy fix though... Let us use the nuber keys as arrows.. I suggest alt then shift to enable the 2468 keys to act as up left right and down respectively.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240849</id>
	<title>Re:Got the bad one</title>
	<author>GaryOlson</author>
	<datestamp>1244384400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>C'mon, provide more detail about the individual store and location. How else will the Sprint Experience Tactical Intervention [SETI] be able to properly understand your communication?</htmltext>
<tokenext>C'mon , provide more detail about the individual store and location .
How else will the Sprint Experience Tactical Intervention [ SETI ] be able to properly understand your communication ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>C'mon, provide more detail about the individual store and location.
How else will the Sprint Experience Tactical Intervention [SETI] be able to properly understand your communication?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239537</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239659</id>
	<title>Re:Better Javascript support</title>
	<author>tyrione</author>
	<datestamp>1244405340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Use your head. Pre is using a much newer WebKit release than iPhone OS 2.0. With iPhone OS 3.0 comes Safari 4 and the latest WebKit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Use your head .
Pre is using a much newer WebKit release than iPhone OS 2.0 .
With iPhone OS 3.0 comes Safari 4 and the latest WebKit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use your head.
Pre is using a much newer WebKit release than iPhone OS 2.0.
With iPhone OS 3.0 comes Safari 4 and the latest WebKit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238849</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239453</id>
	<title>FAI7ZORS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244315580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">States that there BitTorrent) Second, of open-source.</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>States that there BitTorrent ) Second , of open-source .
[ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>States that there BitTorrent) Second, of open-source.
[goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239621</id>
	<title>Re:Fedora 8?</title>
	<author>Mista2</author>
	<datestamp>1244318280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the trick now is to get as many platforms as possible to synch with google, then using Active sync to GMail and GCalander/Contscts you can get the whole PIM thing. I've managed to get Kontact to Read Only sync, but atleast my iphone can sync with Google. On Windows, I use Googles sync application with Ourlook and there is a similar app for iCal on Mac but havent got contacts yet, so I use that too. I finally have a synch between all my system for calander. I just hope there is something for contacts too. I just use iMAP/smtp for mail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the trick now is to get as many platforms as possible to synch with google , then using Active sync to GMail and GCalander/Contscts you can get the whole PIM thing .
I 've managed to get Kontact to Read Only sync , but atleast my iphone can sync with Google .
On Windows , I use Googles sync application with Ourlook and there is a similar app for iCal on Mac but havent got contacts yet , so I use that too .
I finally have a synch between all my system for calander .
I just hope there is something for contacts too .
I just use iMAP/smtp for mail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the trick now is to get as many platforms as possible to synch with google, then using Active sync to GMail and GCalander/Contscts you can get the whole PIM thing.
I've managed to get Kontact to Read Only sync, but atleast my iphone can sync with Google.
On Windows, I use Googles sync application with Ourlook and there is a similar app for iCal on Mac but havent got contacts yet, so I use that too.
I finally have a synch between all my system for calander.
I just hope there is something for contacts too.
I just use iMAP/smtp for mail.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238639</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239649</id>
	<title>Re:After 20 minutes of use...</title>
	<author>tyrione</author>
	<datestamp>1244405220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Considering Safari 4 is in Beta you'll get a better browser experience for the iPhone when iPhone OS 3.0 is released--iPhone OS 2.0 isn't even near Safari 4's current progress.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering Safari 4 is in Beta you 'll get a better browser experience for the iPhone when iPhone OS 3.0 is released--iPhone OS 2.0 is n't even near Safari 4 's current progress .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering Safari 4 is in Beta you'll get a better browser experience for the iPhone when iPhone OS 3.0 is released--iPhone OS 2.0 isn't even near Safari 4's current progress.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238825</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238735</id>
	<title>Thats me!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>*begins to masturbate furiously to the pictures*</htmltext>
<tokenext>* begins to masturbate furiously to the pictures *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*begins to masturbate furiously to the pictures*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239265</id>
	<title>Six months.</title>
	<author>Renraku</author>
	<datestamp>1244312340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And in six months to a year, Palm's timer in these units will start to go off.</p><p>Telling the phone to start crashing a few times a day and disabling random applications until you reinstall them, and people's factory charger cord will be so loose it'll pull out under its own horizontal weight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And in six months to a year , Palm 's timer in these units will start to go off.Telling the phone to start crashing a few times a day and disabling random applications until you reinstall them , and people 's factory charger cord will be so loose it 'll pull out under its own horizontal weight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And in six months to a year, Palm's timer in these units will start to go off.Telling the phone to start crashing a few times a day and disabling random applications until you reinstall them, and people's factory charger cord will be so loose it'll pull out under its own horizontal weight.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239593</id>
	<title>Re:Submitter Quality Control</title>
	<author>dgatwood</author>
	<datestamp>1244317680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed it does mean something different.  The word "of" is a recently introduced slang verb that means "to act as though hopped up on meth."  It leads to fun constructions like this:</p><p> <b>I of when I'm with you.</b> </p><p>The "er" form is irregular; offer is a noun already, so instead you redefine the word "over".</p><p> <b>That stupid over wouldn't know how to of if someone gave him an oving.</b> </p><p>Also notice the other noun form at the end of that example---oving, meaning the act of behaving as though hopped up on meth.  The word "of" used as a noun similarly means behavior befitting a meth addict.  For example:</p><p> <b>That's a bunch of of.</b> </p><p>A similar ov- irregular form applies to some the various verb forms:</p><p> <b>I oved tonight.  I will of tomorrow.  I would of if you ask me.</b> </p><p>One of the most critical irregular forms is that of the subjunctive.  This verb takes an irregular subjunctive in that the word "have" prior to it is optional.  Thus, instead of writing, <b>I would've of</b>, you simply write <b>I would of</b>.  For example:</p><p> <b>I would of if you had asked me.</b> </p><p>Finally, the word "of" can be used as either an interjection or as an intensifier.  For example:</p><p> <b>Of!  I just oving hat this.</b> </p><p>(Note that hat is also a new verb that means to adore.)  When used as an intensifier in its base form, the word "of" implies the word "have" much as it does in the subjunctive form.  For example:</p><p> <b>It seems to of gone as expected</b> means "it seems to have gone as expected, in a manner similar to that of someone hopped up on meth."</p><p>I hope this clears up any confusion the article might of caused, and I hope this oving makes you hat FaceBook comments all the oving more.  If not, of off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed it does mean something different .
The word " of " is a recently introduced slang verb that means " to act as though hopped up on meth .
" It leads to fun constructions like this : I of when I 'm with you .
The " er " form is irregular ; offer is a noun already , so instead you redefine the word " over " .
That stupid over would n't know how to of if someone gave him an oving .
Also notice the other noun form at the end of that example---oving , meaning the act of behaving as though hopped up on meth .
The word " of " used as a noun similarly means behavior befitting a meth addict .
For example : That 's a bunch of of .
A similar ov- irregular form applies to some the various verb forms : I oved tonight .
I will of tomorrow .
I would of if you ask me .
One of the most critical irregular forms is that of the subjunctive .
This verb takes an irregular subjunctive in that the word " have " prior to it is optional .
Thus , instead of writing , I would 've of , you simply write I would of .
For example : I would of if you had asked me .
Finally , the word " of " can be used as either an interjection or as an intensifier .
For example : Of !
I just oving hat this .
( Note that hat is also a new verb that means to adore .
) When used as an intensifier in its base form , the word " of " implies the word " have " much as it does in the subjunctive form .
For example : It seems to of gone as expected means " it seems to have gone as expected , in a manner similar to that of someone hopped up on meth .
" I hope this clears up any confusion the article might of caused , and I hope this oving makes you hat FaceBook comments all the oving more .
If not , of off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed it does mean something different.
The word "of" is a recently introduced slang verb that means "to act as though hopped up on meth.
"  It leads to fun constructions like this: I of when I'm with you.
The "er" form is irregular; offer is a noun already, so instead you redefine the word "over".
That stupid over wouldn't know how to of if someone gave him an oving.
Also notice the other noun form at the end of that example---oving, meaning the act of behaving as though hopped up on meth.
The word "of" used as a noun similarly means behavior befitting a meth addict.
For example: That's a bunch of of.
A similar ov- irregular form applies to some the various verb forms: I oved tonight.
I will of tomorrow.
I would of if you ask me.
One of the most critical irregular forms is that of the subjunctive.
This verb takes an irregular subjunctive in that the word "have" prior to it is optional.
Thus, instead of writing, I would've of, you simply write I would of.
For example: I would of if you had asked me.
Finally, the word "of" can be used as either an interjection or as an intensifier.
For example: Of!
I just oving hat this.
(Note that hat is also a new verb that means to adore.
)  When used as an intensifier in its base form, the word "of" implies the word "have" much as it does in the subjunctive form.
For example: It seems to of gone as expected means "it seems to have gone as expected, in a manner similar to that of someone hopped up on meth.
"I hope this clears up any confusion the article might of caused, and I hope this oving makes you hat FaceBook comments all the oving more.
If not, of off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238901</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239011</id>
	<title>Abroad</title>
	<author>tsa</author>
	<datestamp>1244308380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This seems like the phone I have been waiting for. When will it be available in the Netherlands? How much will it cost?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This seems like the phone I have been waiting for .
When will it be available in the Netherlands ?
How much will it cost ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems like the phone I have been waiting for.
When will it be available in the Netherlands?
How much will it cost?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28241987</id>
	<title>Re:Got one</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244396100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The selection of applications isn't that slim, there's a reasonable number of applications that come with the Pre right out of the box. Here are a few to start with:
<a href="http://palm.preapplications.net/" title="preapplications.net" rel="nofollow">http://palm.preapplications.net/</a> [preapplications.net]

Note that there's absolutely no way of telling that these aren't "native" applications.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The selection of applications is n't that slim , there 's a reasonable number of applications that come with the Pre right out of the box .
Here are a few to start with : http : //palm.preapplications.net/ [ preapplications.net ] Note that there 's absolutely no way of telling that these are n't " native " applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The selection of applications isn't that slim, there's a reasonable number of applications that come with the Pre right out of the box.
Here are a few to start with:
http://palm.preapplications.net/ [preapplications.net]

Note that there's absolutely no way of telling that these aren't "native" applications.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28243113</id>
	<title>Re:So the Pre 1.0 makes me appreciate my Treo 755p</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244404440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Touchscreens are for noobs.  All this time I've wondered what the iPhone crowd was crowing about with their touchscreens, but today, on the Pre, I really miss the fidelity and precision of a stylus and a 5 way navigation button the stylus lets me precisely hit exactly the point on the screen I am looking for and the nav button lets me precisely scroll up and down the number of items I desire.  Exactly.  Each time.  Repeatedly.</p></div><p>That was the first thing I noticed.  It takes significantly more mental energy and eye hand coordination to line up your finger over a spot on the screen with no tactile feedback.   For the 5 or so things I do most often on my 755p I know the sequence of clicks of the 5-way such that I'm already in the app before I'm done pulling it out of my pocket.</p><p>
&nbsp; </p><p><div class="quote"><p>And webos is slow.  The whole thing feels slow compared, yes, to the PalmOS on the Treo 755p EVEN with it's white screens of death.  It's frustrating and may go back to the store within the 30 day period while I wait for webos 2.0.</p></div><p>That was the second thing I noticed, I expected the UI to be much snappier.  If you have a sequence you need to execute, you should be able to give them all and let the OS catch up, not have to wait a fraction of a second between each one.</p><p>I'd like a faster proc and modern OS on my Treo, but as for the user interface, I'll take my 755p thank you.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Touchscreens are for noobs .
All this time I 've wondered what the iPhone crowd was crowing about with their touchscreens , but today , on the Pre , I really miss the fidelity and precision of a stylus and a 5 way navigation button the stylus lets me precisely hit exactly the point on the screen I am looking for and the nav button lets me precisely scroll up and down the number of items I desire .
Exactly. Each time .
Repeatedly.That was the first thing I noticed .
It takes significantly more mental energy and eye hand coordination to line up your finger over a spot on the screen with no tactile feedback .
For the 5 or so things I do most often on my 755p I know the sequence of clicks of the 5-way such that I 'm already in the app before I 'm done pulling it out of my pocket .
  And webos is slow .
The whole thing feels slow compared , yes , to the PalmOS on the Treo 755p EVEN with it 's white screens of death .
It 's frustrating and may go back to the store within the 30 day period while I wait for webos 2.0.That was the second thing I noticed , I expected the UI to be much snappier .
If you have a sequence you need to execute , you should be able to give them all and let the OS catch up , not have to wait a fraction of a second between each one.I 'd like a faster proc and modern OS on my Treo , but as for the user interface , I 'll take my 755p thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Touchscreens are for noobs.
All this time I've wondered what the iPhone crowd was crowing about with their touchscreens, but today, on the Pre, I really miss the fidelity and precision of a stylus and a 5 way navigation button the stylus lets me precisely hit exactly the point on the screen I am looking for and the nav button lets me precisely scroll up and down the number of items I desire.
Exactly.  Each time.
Repeatedly.That was the first thing I noticed.
It takes significantly more mental energy and eye hand coordination to line up your finger over a spot on the screen with no tactile feedback.
For the 5 or so things I do most often on my 755p I know the sequence of clicks of the 5-way such that I'm already in the app before I'm done pulling it out of my pocket.
  And webos is slow.
The whole thing feels slow compared, yes, to the PalmOS on the Treo 755p EVEN with it's white screens of death.
It's frustrating and may go back to the store within the 30 day period while I wait for webos 2.0.That was the second thing I noticed, I expected the UI to be much snappier.
If you have a sequence you need to execute, you should be able to give them all and let the OS catch up, not have to wait a fraction of a second between each one.I'd like a faster proc and modern OS on my Treo, but as for the user interface, I'll take my 755p thank you.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239765</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-Tip</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244407380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're right, that's pretty pre-tarded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right , that 's pretty pre-tarded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right, that's pretty pre-tarded.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238813</id>
	<title>So far, 4/5 stars</title>
	<author>rennerik</author>
	<datestamp>1244305860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was lucky enough to pick up the last available one in Long Beach, and I have to say that so far I like it.
<br> <br>

I came from the iPhone and AT&amp;T, so it looks like I will be able to not only save almost $50/mo but also have a better device.
<br> <br>

The good:  The screen is much more crisp and vibrant than the iPhone.  I'm really happy about that.  The keyboard takes a bit of getting used to, but anything is better than the on-screen iPhone keyboard, plus I have smaller fingers so it doesn't affect me as much.  The screen is smaller than the iPhone, but the lack of on-screen keyboard makes for efficient use of screen real-estate.  So far I haven't noticed the lack of larger screen in regular use.  Not much to say about battery life, but it seems to be on-par with the iPhone from my current experience, which is fine for me.  I don't particularly care about having it last more than one day, since I plug it in nightly anyway.  Running multiple applications is extremely helpful, and it seems to be implemented very well.  I've not yet had a problem with it.  Sprint Navigation is amazing too, by the way, and definitely is on-par with most GPS devices out there; on top of that, it re-routes according to traffic and road speeds, which, unless your GPS is network-connected, you'll be lacking it.  So, I'd say it's *better* than most stand-alone GPS devices out there.
<br> <br>

The bad:  The UI response is a bit sluggish.  I think that I may have been spoiled by the iPhone's extremely smooth UI, but I also recall that for a while after the release of iPhone OS 2.0, it was fairly laggy for quite a bit.  They did release an update to webOS (1.0.2) that did increase the response time by about 50\% (I'm really just ballparking that number, but it was significant enough to notice), so if you haven't ran the updater, do it.  I hope that as more updates come out, they'll fix the response time and it will be as smooth as the iPhone.  The other problem is more with Sprint than with the Pre -- EV-DO does not support data usage during voice calls.  This sucks, as there are times when I'm on the phone and I need to look something up or send an email... however, I had so many problems with the 3G in the iPhone, that more than half the time I had to run with it off anyway, so I don't think I'll miss it too much.  Currently, you are not able to send meeting requests using the calendar... I hope they add that functionality soon.  That is what iPhone lacked as well, and it is available in the 3.0 update, so hopefully it will be added to webOS quickly, too.  Lastly, (not really much bad to say about it... so far) what did end up annoying me a bit was that, while you can specify multiple IM accounts, you can't choose which one you are sending from when you send a message.  This is unfortunate, though it is possible that I have no idea how to specify this.
<br> <br>

So, all-in-all, I think that I will be very happy with the device.  I hope they fix the response time issues quickly, however, as that is the biggest problem that I have encountered so far.  It's not a deal-breaker, because the other features of the phone make up for this, but after a while it will become more and more annoying.
<br> <br>

Oh yeah, I forgot about one thing.  The thing I loved about the iPhone was in both contacts and music, you can jump to a specific alphabet letter by selecting one on the right side of the display.  The Pre lacks this, and I have to start typing to find what I want.  Not a big deal, but sometimes I don't want to open the keyboard.
<br> <br>

Anyway, great work, Palm!  4/5 stars in my book!  Fix that UI issue, and you've got yourself a 4.8.  Fix everything else I mentioned, and you get yourself a 5<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was lucky enough to pick up the last available one in Long Beach , and I have to say that so far I like it .
I came from the iPhone and AT&amp;T , so it looks like I will be able to not only save almost $ 50/mo but also have a better device .
The good : The screen is much more crisp and vibrant than the iPhone .
I 'm really happy about that .
The keyboard takes a bit of getting used to , but anything is better than the on-screen iPhone keyboard , plus I have smaller fingers so it does n't affect me as much .
The screen is smaller than the iPhone , but the lack of on-screen keyboard makes for efficient use of screen real-estate .
So far I have n't noticed the lack of larger screen in regular use .
Not much to say about battery life , but it seems to be on-par with the iPhone from my current experience , which is fine for me .
I do n't particularly care about having it last more than one day , since I plug it in nightly anyway .
Running multiple applications is extremely helpful , and it seems to be implemented very well .
I 've not yet had a problem with it .
Sprint Navigation is amazing too , by the way , and definitely is on-par with most GPS devices out there ; on top of that , it re-routes according to traffic and road speeds , which , unless your GPS is network-connected , you 'll be lacking it .
So , I 'd say it 's * better * than most stand-alone GPS devices out there .
The bad : The UI response is a bit sluggish .
I think that I may have been spoiled by the iPhone 's extremely smooth UI , but I also recall that for a while after the release of iPhone OS 2.0 , it was fairly laggy for quite a bit .
They did release an update to webOS ( 1.0.2 ) that did increase the response time by about 50 \ % ( I 'm really just ballparking that number , but it was significant enough to notice ) , so if you have n't ran the updater , do it .
I hope that as more updates come out , they 'll fix the response time and it will be as smooth as the iPhone .
The other problem is more with Sprint than with the Pre -- EV-DO does not support data usage during voice calls .
This sucks , as there are times when I 'm on the phone and I need to look something up or send an email... however , I had so many problems with the 3G in the iPhone , that more than half the time I had to run with it off anyway , so I do n't think I 'll miss it too much .
Currently , you are not able to send meeting requests using the calendar... I hope they add that functionality soon .
That is what iPhone lacked as well , and it is available in the 3.0 update , so hopefully it will be added to webOS quickly , too .
Lastly , ( not really much bad to say about it... so far ) what did end up annoying me a bit was that , while you can specify multiple IM accounts , you ca n't choose which one you are sending from when you send a message .
This is unfortunate , though it is possible that I have no idea how to specify this .
So , all-in-all , I think that I will be very happy with the device .
I hope they fix the response time issues quickly , however , as that is the biggest problem that I have encountered so far .
It 's not a deal-breaker , because the other features of the phone make up for this , but after a while it will become more and more annoying .
Oh yeah , I forgot about one thing .
The thing I loved about the iPhone was in both contacts and music , you can jump to a specific alphabet letter by selecting one on the right side of the display .
The Pre lacks this , and I have to start typing to find what I want .
Not a big deal , but sometimes I do n't want to open the keyboard .
Anyway , great work , Palm !
4/5 stars in my book !
Fix that UI issue , and you 've got yourself a 4.8 .
Fix everything else I mentioned , and you get yourself a 5 : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was lucky enough to pick up the last available one in Long Beach, and I have to say that so far I like it.
I came from the iPhone and AT&amp;T, so it looks like I will be able to not only save almost $50/mo but also have a better device.
The good:  The screen is much more crisp and vibrant than the iPhone.
I'm really happy about that.
The keyboard takes a bit of getting used to, but anything is better than the on-screen iPhone keyboard, plus I have smaller fingers so it doesn't affect me as much.
The screen is smaller than the iPhone, but the lack of on-screen keyboard makes for efficient use of screen real-estate.
So far I haven't noticed the lack of larger screen in regular use.
Not much to say about battery life, but it seems to be on-par with the iPhone from my current experience, which is fine for me.
I don't particularly care about having it last more than one day, since I plug it in nightly anyway.
Running multiple applications is extremely helpful, and it seems to be implemented very well.
I've not yet had a problem with it.
Sprint Navigation is amazing too, by the way, and definitely is on-par with most GPS devices out there; on top of that, it re-routes according to traffic and road speeds, which, unless your GPS is network-connected, you'll be lacking it.
So, I'd say it's *better* than most stand-alone GPS devices out there.
The bad:  The UI response is a bit sluggish.
I think that I may have been spoiled by the iPhone's extremely smooth UI, but I also recall that for a while after the release of iPhone OS 2.0, it was fairly laggy for quite a bit.
They did release an update to webOS (1.0.2) that did increase the response time by about 50\% (I'm really just ballparking that number, but it was significant enough to notice), so if you haven't ran the updater, do it.
I hope that as more updates come out, they'll fix the response time and it will be as smooth as the iPhone.
The other problem is more with Sprint than with the Pre -- EV-DO does not support data usage during voice calls.
This sucks, as there are times when I'm on the phone and I need to look something up or send an email... however, I had so many problems with the 3G in the iPhone, that more than half the time I had to run with it off anyway, so I don't think I'll miss it too much.
Currently, you are not able to send meeting requests using the calendar... I hope they add that functionality soon.
That is what iPhone lacked as well, and it is available in the 3.0 update, so hopefully it will be added to webOS quickly, too.
Lastly, (not really much bad to say about it... so far) what did end up annoying me a bit was that, while you can specify multiple IM accounts, you can't choose which one you are sending from when you send a message.
This is unfortunate, though it is possible that I have no idea how to specify this.
So, all-in-all, I think that I will be very happy with the device.
I hope they fix the response time issues quickly, however, as that is the biggest problem that I have encountered so far.
It's not a deal-breaker, because the other features of the phone make up for this, but after a while it will become more and more annoying.
Oh yeah, I forgot about one thing.
The thing I loved about the iPhone was in both contacts and music, you can jump to a specific alphabet letter by selecting one on the right side of the display.
The Pre lacks this, and I have to start typing to find what I want.
Not a big deal, but sometimes I don't want to open the keyboard.
Anyway, great work, Palm!
4/5 stars in my book!
Fix that UI issue, and you've got yourself a 4.8.
Fix everything else I mentioned, and you get yourself a 5 :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28241271</id>
	<title>Re:After 20 minutes of use...</title>
	<author>dfghjk</author>
	<datestamp>1244389560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"That is an interesting observation, considering that Apple is the primary WebKit contributor... "WebKit began in 2002 when Apple Inc. created a fork of the KDE project&#195;(TM)s HTML layout engine KHTML and KDE's JavaScript engine (KJS)" <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit</a> [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org]"</p><p>Another interesting observation is that the source you quoted, a Wikipedia article no less, does not support the assertion you made.  What evidence do you have that Apple is the primary WebKit contributor?  I'd wager that the original KHTML source constitutes a greater contribution than Apple has made.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" That is an interesting observation , considering that Apple is the primary WebKit contributor... " WebKit began in 2002 when Apple Inc. created a fork of the KDE project   ( TM ) s HTML layout engine KHTML and KDE 's JavaScript engine ( KJS ) " http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit [ wikipedia.org ] [ wikipedia.org ] " Another interesting observation is that the source you quoted , a Wikipedia article no less , does not support the assertion you made .
What evidence do you have that Apple is the primary WebKit contributor ?
I 'd wager that the original KHTML source constitutes a greater contribution than Apple has made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"That is an interesting observation, considering that Apple is the primary WebKit contributor... "WebKit began in 2002 when Apple Inc. created a fork of the KDE projectÃ(TM)s HTML layout engine KHTML and KDE's JavaScript engine (KJS)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org]"Another interesting observation is that the source you quoted, a Wikipedia article no less, does not support the assertion you made.
What evidence do you have that Apple is the primary WebKit contributor?
I'd wager that the original KHTML source constitutes a greater contribution than Apple has made.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28242091</id>
	<title>Is there and SSH app?</title>
	<author>supercell</author>
	<datestamp>1244396820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am looking to buy a "smart" phone soon. One of the critical things I need is an ssh app so I can log into my linux servers. Does the Pre have an ssh app yet?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am looking to buy a " smart " phone soon .
One of the critical things I need is an ssh app so I can log into my linux servers .
Does the Pre have an ssh app yet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am looking to buy a "smart" phone soon.
One of the critical things I need is an ssh app so I can log into my linux servers.
Does the Pre have an ssh app yet?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240377</id>
	<title>Re:Submitter Quality Control</title>
	<author>cheftw</author>
	<datestamp>1244377260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not like it has much use in "American English" anyway. They seem to have reintroduced the old genitive; "couple months". How efficient!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not like it has much use in " American English " anyway .
They seem to have reintroduced the old genitive ; " couple months " .
How efficient !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not like it has much use in "American English" anyway.
They seem to have reintroduced the old genitive; "couple months".
How efficient!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239199</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone have words about the browsing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244311260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm interested as well.  This is my biggest irritant about the iPhone.  I love the interface and rendering of pages in Mobile Safari, it is top-notch.  But there's something very broken about the page *loading* (network stack issues?  Inefficiencies at paralleling requests and dealing with latency?).  For most sites it's slow at best, and for some sites it's glacial.  I can place a 400Mhz G4 running Safari and the iPhone next to each other, on the same network, and load a page, and the desktop typically completes in 1/10th the time (or less!)<br>
<br>
Plus the limited memory on the iPhone and lack of multitasking means that it's very likely that if I load a page, then perform some other action (including opening a second page without leaving Safari), I'll have to reload the first page again when I go back to it.  And that's another 1min delay.<br>
<br>
This all means that I avoid Safari whenever possible.  I'll use either a native app for the page (like Wikipedia or Slashdot, etc), or I'll try to find a mobile version of the site.   Loading the full page is done only grudgingly.  That sort of takes the "killer" part of of the "killer app" that Mobile Safari is supposed to be.<br>
<br>
Anyway, looks like PreCentral has done a very good video overview of the browser, and shootout between the Pre, iPhone (2.1 I assume) and G1:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dewMwv4eQIk&amp;eurl=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.precentral.net\%2Fpalm-pre-browser-video-review-and-iphone-3g-g1-showdown&amp;feature=player\_embedded" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dewMwv4eQIk&amp;eurl=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.precentral.net\%2Fpalm-pre-browser-video-review-and-iphone-3g-g1-showdown&amp;feature=player\_embedded</a> [youtube.com] <br>
<br>
My takeaway is that overall the Pre browser seems as good as the iPhone's, and generally better in the areas that bother me.  It's definitely still much slower than a desktop browser on even an anemic PC would be, but it seems:<br>
<br>
- Interface is definitely different, but from what I see here I like it about equally to the iPhone interface.  Navigation, panning, zooming, bookmarking, etc. is all about what I'd want from a mobile browser.  I don't like lack of double-tap animation, though =)<br>
- Time to load/render final page is significantly, but not dramatically, faster than iPhone<br>
- Responsiveness of dragging around the page while it is still loading is much better.  Mobile Safari tends to start having serious performance issues when it is loading/rendering a page.<br>
- It's still only rendering a small part of the page at a time and you get the telltale "unrendered grid" if you scroll/zoom to an unrendered section of the page.  Once you stop scrolling, it renders after a brief pause.  Seems pretty much exactly like iPhone here.<br>
- Tough to say from the video here, but my general impression is that pages generally stay loaded until closed...Or at least takes a lot more for the Pre browser to "flush" cache of a loaded page.<br>
- At least some sites aren't recognizing the Pre at the moment.  They're presenting full sites instead of a mobile site by default, which some will like (I won't, depending on the site).  I'm sure that'll change.<br>
- It seems to have occasional problems recognizing or reacting to orientation changes (landscape/portrait mode shifting).  This is true for me about 10\% of the time with the iPhone, though it's a little better than back in OS 1.0.  And there's a couple of examples of the same with the Pre just in this 8min demo.<br>
- We won't even talk about how much better they are than the G1 browser.  Yikes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm interested as well .
This is my biggest irritant about the iPhone .
I love the interface and rendering of pages in Mobile Safari , it is top-notch .
But there 's something very broken about the page * loading * ( network stack issues ?
Inefficiencies at paralleling requests and dealing with latency ? ) .
For most sites it 's slow at best , and for some sites it 's glacial .
I can place a 400Mhz G4 running Safari and the iPhone next to each other , on the same network , and load a page , and the desktop typically completes in 1/10th the time ( or less !
) Plus the limited memory on the iPhone and lack of multitasking means that it 's very likely that if I load a page , then perform some other action ( including opening a second page without leaving Safari ) , I 'll have to reload the first page again when I go back to it .
And that 's another 1min delay .
This all means that I avoid Safari whenever possible .
I 'll use either a native app for the page ( like Wikipedia or Slashdot , etc ) , or I 'll try to find a mobile version of the site .
Loading the full page is done only grudgingly .
That sort of takes the " killer " part of of the " killer app " that Mobile Safari is supposed to be .
Anyway , looks like PreCentral has done a very good video overview of the browser , and shootout between the Pre , iPhone ( 2.1 I assume ) and G1 : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = dewMwv4eQIk&amp;eurl = http \ % 3A \ % 2F \ % 2Fwww.precentral.net \ % 2Fpalm-pre-browser-video-review-and-iphone-3g-g1-showdown&amp;feature = player \ _embedded [ youtube.com ] My takeaway is that overall the Pre browser seems as good as the iPhone 's , and generally better in the areas that bother me .
It 's definitely still much slower than a desktop browser on even an anemic PC would be , but it seems : - Interface is definitely different , but from what I see here I like it about equally to the iPhone interface .
Navigation , panning , zooming , bookmarking , etc .
is all about what I 'd want from a mobile browser .
I do n't like lack of double-tap animation , though = ) - Time to load/render final page is significantly , but not dramatically , faster than iPhone - Responsiveness of dragging around the page while it is still loading is much better .
Mobile Safari tends to start having serious performance issues when it is loading/rendering a page .
- It 's still only rendering a small part of the page at a time and you get the telltale " unrendered grid " if you scroll/zoom to an unrendered section of the page .
Once you stop scrolling , it renders after a brief pause .
Seems pretty much exactly like iPhone here .
- Tough to say from the video here , but my general impression is that pages generally stay loaded until closed...Or at least takes a lot more for the Pre browser to " flush " cache of a loaded page .
- At least some sites are n't recognizing the Pre at the moment .
They 're presenting full sites instead of a mobile site by default , which some will like ( I wo n't , depending on the site ) .
I 'm sure that 'll change .
- It seems to have occasional problems recognizing or reacting to orientation changes ( landscape/portrait mode shifting ) .
This is true for me about 10 \ % of the time with the iPhone , though it 's a little better than back in OS 1.0 .
And there 's a couple of examples of the same with the Pre just in this 8min demo .
- We wo n't even talk about how much better they are than the G1 browser .
Yikes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm interested as well.
This is my biggest irritant about the iPhone.
I love the interface and rendering of pages in Mobile Safari, it is top-notch.
But there's something very broken about the page *loading* (network stack issues?
Inefficiencies at paralleling requests and dealing with latency?).
For most sites it's slow at best, and for some sites it's glacial.
I can place a 400Mhz G4 running Safari and the iPhone next to each other, on the same network, and load a page, and the desktop typically completes in 1/10th the time (or less!
)

Plus the limited memory on the iPhone and lack of multitasking means that it's very likely that if I load a page, then perform some other action (including opening a second page without leaving Safari), I'll have to reload the first page again when I go back to it.
And that's another 1min delay.
This all means that I avoid Safari whenever possible.
I'll use either a native app for the page (like Wikipedia or Slashdot, etc), or I'll try to find a mobile version of the site.
Loading the full page is done only grudgingly.
That sort of takes the "killer" part of of the "killer app" that Mobile Safari is supposed to be.
Anyway, looks like PreCentral has done a very good video overview of the browser, and shootout between the Pre, iPhone (2.1 I assume) and G1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dewMwv4eQIk&amp;eurl=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.precentral.net\%2Fpalm-pre-browser-video-review-and-iphone-3g-g1-showdown&amp;feature=player\_embedded [youtube.com] 

My takeaway is that overall the Pre browser seems as good as the iPhone's, and generally better in the areas that bother me.
It's definitely still much slower than a desktop browser on even an anemic PC would be, but it seems:

- Interface is definitely different, but from what I see here I like it about equally to the iPhone interface.
Navigation, panning, zooming, bookmarking, etc.
is all about what I'd want from a mobile browser.
I don't like lack of double-tap animation, though =)
- Time to load/render final page is significantly, but not dramatically, faster than iPhone
- Responsiveness of dragging around the page while it is still loading is much better.
Mobile Safari tends to start having serious performance issues when it is loading/rendering a page.
- It's still only rendering a small part of the page at a time and you get the telltale "unrendered grid" if you scroll/zoom to an unrendered section of the page.
Once you stop scrolling, it renders after a brief pause.
Seems pretty much exactly like iPhone here.
- Tough to say from the video here, but my general impression is that pages generally stay loaded until closed...Or at least takes a lot more for the Pre browser to "flush" cache of a loaded page.
- At least some sites aren't recognizing the Pre at the moment.
They're presenting full sites instead of a mobile site by default, which some will like (I won't, depending on the site).
I'm sure that'll change.
- It seems to have occasional problems recognizing or reacting to orientation changes (landscape/portrait mode shifting).
This is true for me about 10\% of the time with the iPhone, though it's a little better than back in OS 1.0.
And there's a couple of examples of the same with the Pre just in this 8min demo.
- We won't even talk about how much better they are than the G1 browser.
Yikes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238767</id>
	<title>First Impressions</title>
	<author>Finder83</author>
	<datestamp>1244305500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I too bought the palm pre today...just as a note, I came from a motorolla q9h, not an iphone.
Overall, I love the phone. I wish palm would release the sdk already so more apps would come out and so I could start customizing/contributing, but the apps that were there generally feel solid. There's about as much delay as one would expect on a smartphone, but the phone overall feels very responsive (which was my very first impression.) The webos's shortcuts are very intuitive, and between quick launch, synergy, etc, I can probably match my productivity on the Q9H that has windows mobile.
<br> <br>
I don't care about syncing anything other than mp3's and emails over imap so I can't answer syncing questions. Ubuntu 9.04 detected it as a usb device just fine.
<br> <br>
I think that tales of the keyboard being way too small are overrated, but it definitely will take getting used to...I think you will pretty much know instantly if you will be able to adjust to it or not.
<br> <br>
Really the only thing that may make me regret buying it may end up being the battery life...but it's hard to tell considering I didn't really give it a decent first charge (I charged it for 4 hours then took it out exploring for 6 and it was dead by the time I got home with about an hour's worth of talk, constant browsing, and a little pandora streaming.) Even with that said, I think there will need to be a few more battery saving options...like maybe not being logged into AIM/etc. (you can just not enter aim information...but I don't want to disable it completely)
<br> <br>
Another thing I wasn't expecting was a free (cheap?) sleeve that came with the phone.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) I feel much safer with it in my pocket in a nice sleeve.
<br> <br>
The browser is nice...it can be hard to zoom in and click on certain links, maybe like the iphone? But it is nice having a fully functional browser with ajax. The only problem I had was with iGoogle not loading properly (I think due to the calendar widget), and I just had to use the mobile version.
<br> <br>
So far though, I've loved the palm pre. I hope it returns the love.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I too bought the palm pre today...just as a note , I came from a motorolla q9h , not an iphone .
Overall , I love the phone .
I wish palm would release the sdk already so more apps would come out and so I could start customizing/contributing , but the apps that were there generally feel solid .
There 's about as much delay as one would expect on a smartphone , but the phone overall feels very responsive ( which was my very first impression .
) The webos 's shortcuts are very intuitive , and between quick launch , synergy , etc , I can probably match my productivity on the Q9H that has windows mobile .
I do n't care about syncing anything other than mp3 's and emails over imap so I ca n't answer syncing questions .
Ubuntu 9.04 detected it as a usb device just fine .
I think that tales of the keyboard being way too small are overrated , but it definitely will take getting used to...I think you will pretty much know instantly if you will be able to adjust to it or not .
Really the only thing that may make me regret buying it may end up being the battery life...but it 's hard to tell considering I did n't really give it a decent first charge ( I charged it for 4 hours then took it out exploring for 6 and it was dead by the time I got home with about an hour 's worth of talk , constant browsing , and a little pandora streaming .
) Even with that said , I think there will need to be a few more battery saving options...like maybe not being logged into AIM/etc .
( you can just not enter aim information...but I do n't want to disable it completely ) Another thing I was n't expecting was a free ( cheap ?
) sleeve that came with the phone .
: ) I feel much safer with it in my pocket in a nice sleeve .
The browser is nice...it can be hard to zoom in and click on certain links , maybe like the iphone ?
But it is nice having a fully functional browser with ajax .
The only problem I had was with iGoogle not loading properly ( I think due to the calendar widget ) , and I just had to use the mobile version .
So far though , I 've loved the palm pre .
I hope it returns the love .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I too bought the palm pre today...just as a note, I came from a motorolla q9h, not an iphone.
Overall, I love the phone.
I wish palm would release the sdk already so more apps would come out and so I could start customizing/contributing, but the apps that were there generally feel solid.
There's about as much delay as one would expect on a smartphone, but the phone overall feels very responsive (which was my very first impression.
) The webos's shortcuts are very intuitive, and between quick launch, synergy, etc, I can probably match my productivity on the Q9H that has windows mobile.
I don't care about syncing anything other than mp3's and emails over imap so I can't answer syncing questions.
Ubuntu 9.04 detected it as a usb device just fine.
I think that tales of the keyboard being way too small are overrated, but it definitely will take getting used to...I think you will pretty much know instantly if you will be able to adjust to it or not.
Really the only thing that may make me regret buying it may end up being the battery life...but it's hard to tell considering I didn't really give it a decent first charge (I charged it for 4 hours then took it out exploring for 6 and it was dead by the time I got home with about an hour's worth of talk, constant browsing, and a little pandora streaming.
) Even with that said, I think there will need to be a few more battery saving options...like maybe not being logged into AIM/etc.
(you can just not enter aim information...but I don't want to disable it completely)
 
Another thing I wasn't expecting was a free (cheap?
) sleeve that came with the phone.
:) I feel much safer with it in my pocket in a nice sleeve.
The browser is nice...it can be hard to zoom in and click on certain links, maybe like the iphone?
But it is nice having a fully functional browser with ajax.
The only problem I had was with iGoogle not loading properly (I think due to the calendar widget), and I just had to use the mobile version.
So far though, I've loved the palm pre.
I hope it returns the love.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28242985</id>
	<title>Can you browse offline html files?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244403540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The one thing that I love about my palm e2 and about my psp is that I can save html files to the device (html-ized books, notes for myself, etc) and read them, it is very simple and painless. As far as I know on the iPhone/iTouch and Android devices this isn't nearly as simple because you can't use file:///blah/blah/blah.html.</p><p>So can you browse local html files on a pre? Or maybe I am wrong and you can do this with Android or iPhones.  So really I just want something that will mount as a mass storage device, or that will take a sd card, etc and let me save html files on to it that I can read anywhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The one thing that I love about my palm e2 and about my psp is that I can save html files to the device ( html-ized books , notes for myself , etc ) and read them , it is very simple and painless .
As far as I know on the iPhone/iTouch and Android devices this is n't nearly as simple because you ca n't use file : ///blah/blah/blah.html.So can you browse local html files on a pre ?
Or maybe I am wrong and you can do this with Android or iPhones .
So really I just want something that will mount as a mass storage device , or that will take a sd card , etc and let me save html files on to it that I can read anywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The one thing that I love about my palm e2 and about my psp is that I can save html files to the device (html-ized books, notes for myself, etc) and read them, it is very simple and painless.
As far as I know on the iPhone/iTouch and Android devices this isn't nearly as simple because you can't use file:///blah/blah/blah.html.So can you browse local html files on a pre?
Or maybe I am wrong and you can do this with Android or iPhones.
So really I just want something that will mount as a mass storage device, or that will take a sd card, etc and let me save html files on to it that I can read anywhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239835</id>
	<title>How to 'discuss' new hardware on the internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244365860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Keep in mind that everyone has the exact same needs you do, so everyone by extension should own your device because you are happy with it.</p><p>2. Point out that nobody would ever buy it because your current device does everything anyone could ever want in the world.</p><p>3. When someone points out that not everyone owns your device, say they should and thus have no reason to have any interest in the new product which is just a ripoff of your device anyway.</p><p>4. When someone points out that your device probably doesn't suit every user, say that only the stupid ones who don't know how to use it would be unhappy with it.</p><p>5. If they persist, question the sexuality of the person and call them a fanboy of the competing brand. Checkmate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Keep in mind that everyone has the exact same needs you do , so everyone by extension should own your device because you are happy with it.2 .
Point out that nobody would ever buy it because your current device does everything anyone could ever want in the world.3 .
When someone points out that not everyone owns your device , say they should and thus have no reason to have any interest in the new product which is just a ripoff of your device anyway.4 .
When someone points out that your device probably does n't suit every user , say that only the stupid ones who do n't know how to use it would be unhappy with it.5 .
If they persist , question the sexuality of the person and call them a fanboy of the competing brand .
Checkmate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Keep in mind that everyone has the exact same needs you do, so everyone by extension should own your device because you are happy with it.2.
Point out that nobody would ever buy it because your current device does everything anyone could ever want in the world.3.
When someone points out that not everyone owns your device, say they should and thus have no reason to have any interest in the new product which is just a ripoff of your device anyway.4.
When someone points out that your device probably doesn't suit every user, say that only the stupid ones who don't know how to use it would be unhappy with it.5.
If they persist, question the sexuality of the person and call them a fanboy of the competing brand.
Checkmate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28241747</id>
	<title>Re:After 20 minutes of use...</title>
	<author>dwater</author>
	<datestamp>1244394600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; and even Symbian (aka Nokia).</p><p>Er, not quite - or at least misleading.</p><p>You most likely mean S60 which, while developed by Nokia, is <a href="http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones" title="s60.com">not only</a> [s60.com] available on Nokia phones - Samsung being the most notable current other company manufacturing phones running S60 (but also LG, Lenovo, and Seimens).</p><p>In any case, S60 is now being <a href="http://www.s60.com/life/mys60/?action=login" title="s60.com">'ramped down'</a> [s60.com] and merged into the Symbian Foundation.</p><p>So, "Symbian" is not "also known as" Nokia. While there was a period of time after Nokia bought Symbian Ltd. when you could make some kind of argument, such a phrase has little meaning in general and certainly no meaning at all in the context of webkit (iinm, even Samsung phones use the same web browser developed by Nokia).</p><p>BTW, Nokia developed their webkit based browser, commonly known as "Web", and were shipping before the iPhone was even on the market[1].</p><p>[1] According to wikipedia, "Web" was released Nov, 2005; iPhone, Jan, 2007.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; and even Symbian ( aka Nokia ) .Er , not quite - or at least misleading.You most likely mean S60 which , while developed by Nokia , is not only [ s60.com ] available on Nokia phones - Samsung being the most notable current other company manufacturing phones running S60 ( but also LG , Lenovo , and Seimens ) .In any case , S60 is now being 'ramped down ' [ s60.com ] and merged into the Symbian Foundation.So , " Symbian " is not " also known as " Nokia .
While there was a period of time after Nokia bought Symbian Ltd. when you could make some kind of argument , such a phrase has little meaning in general and certainly no meaning at all in the context of webkit ( iinm , even Samsung phones use the same web browser developed by Nokia ) .BTW , Nokia developed their webkit based browser , commonly known as " Web " , and were shipping before the iPhone was even on the market [ 1 ] .
[ 1 ] According to wikipedia , " Web " was released Nov , 2005 ; iPhone , Jan , 2007 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; and even Symbian (aka Nokia).Er, not quite - or at least misleading.You most likely mean S60 which, while developed by Nokia, is not only [s60.com] available on Nokia phones - Samsung being the most notable current other company manufacturing phones running S60 (but also LG, Lenovo, and Seimens).In any case, S60 is now being 'ramped down' [s60.com] and merged into the Symbian Foundation.So, "Symbian" is not "also known as" Nokia.
While there was a period of time after Nokia bought Symbian Ltd. when you could make some kind of argument, such a phrase has little meaning in general and certainly no meaning at all in the context of webkit (iinm, even Samsung phones use the same web browser developed by Nokia).BTW, Nokia developed their webkit based browser, commonly known as "Web", and were shipping before the iPhone was even on the market[1].
[1] According to wikipedia, "Web" was released Nov, 2005; iPhone, Jan, 2007.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239151</id>
	<title>Getting one can be pain... (a.k.a. Best Buy sucks)</title>
	<author>JakiChan</author>
	<datestamp>1244310540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My friend went to Best Buy to get one this morning.  Got there @ 9:30 and was 6th in line.  Gets in the store and goes to mobile department to find out the 13 they had gotten in were already sold.  Smelling a rat he asked where the people buying them were, since they obviously had to be in the store already.  He ended up being 20th on the waiting list - so not only had the first 13 been filched already, but somehow another bunch of people had gotten on the list before launch day.</p><p>Way to go BB.  You're as slimy as ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My friend went to Best Buy to get one this morning .
Got there @ 9 : 30 and was 6th in line .
Gets in the store and goes to mobile department to find out the 13 they had gotten in were already sold .
Smelling a rat he asked where the people buying them were , since they obviously had to be in the store already .
He ended up being 20th on the waiting list - so not only had the first 13 been filched already , but somehow another bunch of people had gotten on the list before launch day.Way to go BB .
You 're as slimy as ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My friend went to Best Buy to get one this morning.
Got there @ 9:30 and was 6th in line.
Gets in the store and goes to mobile department to find out the 13 they had gotten in were already sold.
Smelling a rat he asked where the people buying them were, since they obviously had to be in the store already.
He ended up being 20th on the waiting list - so not only had the first 13 been filched already, but somehow another bunch of people had gotten on the list before launch day.Way to go BB.
You're as slimy as ever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238757</id>
	<title>No discussion!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>NO!  It's time to STFU.</htmltext>
<tokenext>NO !
It 's time to STFU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NO!
It's time to STFU.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28241241</id>
	<title>Meh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244389080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No wireless .
Less space than a nomad .
Lame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No wireless.
Less space than a nomad.
Lame.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239413</id>
	<title>Re:After 20 minutes of use...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244314800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is an interesting observation, considering that Apple is the primary WebKit contributor...  "WebKit began in 2002 when Apple Inc. created a fork of the KDE project&#226;(TM)s HTML layout engine KHTML and KDE's JavaScript engine (KJS)" <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit</a> [wikipedia.org]
<br> <br>
WebKit was released into open source by Apple in 2005 after the relationship with KHTML had irrevocably broken down (i.e. the Apple changes couldn't/wouldn't be integrated back into the KHTML project). Apple remains the biggest WebKit contributor because virtually all its software platforms rely on WebKit, not just Safari (almost like TWebBrowser in the Windows ecosystem).
<br> <br>
To date, WebKit has been ported to a number of platforms and a number of organisations are pitching in, such as Palm, Google and even Symbian (aka Nokia). It is highly unlikely that any of these organisations will risk orphaning themselves with a further branch of WebKit that contains optimisations unique to their own proprietory platform. So it is a safe bet that whatever Palm has running on the Pre, came largely from Apple developers as well as the broader open source community who had already ported WebKit to the Linux platform.
<br> <br>
Just my 2 cents worth...</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is an interesting observation , considering that Apple is the primary WebKit contributor... " WebKit began in 2002 when Apple Inc. created a fork of the KDE project   ( TM ) s HTML layout engine KHTML and KDE 's JavaScript engine ( KJS ) " http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit [ wikipedia.org ] WebKit was released into open source by Apple in 2005 after the relationship with KHTML had irrevocably broken down ( i.e .
the Apple changes could n't/would n't be integrated back into the KHTML project ) .
Apple remains the biggest WebKit contributor because virtually all its software platforms rely on WebKit , not just Safari ( almost like TWebBrowser in the Windows ecosystem ) .
To date , WebKit has been ported to a number of platforms and a number of organisations are pitching in , such as Palm , Google and even Symbian ( aka Nokia ) .
It is highly unlikely that any of these organisations will risk orphaning themselves with a further branch of WebKit that contains optimisations unique to their own proprietory platform .
So it is a safe bet that whatever Palm has running on the Pre , came largely from Apple developers as well as the broader open source community who had already ported WebKit to the Linux platform .
Just my 2 cents worth.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is an interesting observation, considering that Apple is the primary WebKit contributor...  "WebKit began in 2002 when Apple Inc. created a fork of the KDE projectâ(TM)s HTML layout engine KHTML and KDE's JavaScript engine (KJS)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit [wikipedia.org]
 
WebKit was released into open source by Apple in 2005 after the relationship with KHTML had irrevocably broken down (i.e.
the Apple changes couldn't/wouldn't be integrated back into the KHTML project).
Apple remains the biggest WebKit contributor because virtually all its software platforms rely on WebKit, not just Safari (almost like TWebBrowser in the Windows ecosystem).
To date, WebKit has been ported to a number of platforms and a number of organisations are pitching in, such as Palm, Google and even Symbian (aka Nokia).
It is highly unlikely that any of these organisations will risk orphaning themselves with a further branch of WebKit that contains optimisations unique to their own proprietory platform.
So it is a safe bet that whatever Palm has running on the Pre, came largely from Apple developers as well as the broader open source community who had already ported WebKit to the Linux platform.
Just my 2 cents worth...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240735</id>
	<title>Got one</title>
	<author>Junta</author>
	<datestamp>1244382780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the whole happy, but not without qualification:</p><p>-The browser was good.  Relatively fast load and rendering, good touchscreen interaction.  The one site so far that I have some problems using is google reader.  The scrollable viewport for the articles isn't accommodated well.  There are enough alternative navigation options in reader that I can get by, but I have to get used to them.  Other sites depending on users to scroll within subelements like this may have issues.<br>-The multitasking worked well.   I did manage to hit a few websites with huge images that ended up exhausting the memory and requiring me to close 'cards' and only have 4 or so open, but these were very rare websites.<br>-The device showed up as a usable mass-storage device, could access my pictures and stuff trivially.  Can not access their 'OS' files.<br>-The physical keypad works ok.  The only other keyboard I've tried much in this class has been blackberry.  The blackberry I could use 'reasonably' without any experience.  My proficiency with the Pre is growing, but it wasn't as trivial as Blackberry keypads.<br>-I didn't think I'd care much about one-handed operation, but it was more comfortable than having my hands so close together for a longer time.  This might not have been the case for a landscape keyboard, but certainly the ability to operate one-handed is there if one cares, has comfort issues, or use it in relation to 3.1" porn.<br>-The battery was relatively short lived in my first day usage.  I was hammering the thing a lot more (constant music playing and browsing) than I would normally.  An extended battery option is very possible (battery is quite accessible) and I wager likely.  If I settle down in usage, it might be reasonable.  Only time will tell.<br>-The microUSB cover was a royal pain.  After a few opens and closes, it freed up some.  Still, it's a lot more inconvenient than what I had done previously.  It's almost as if they are exacerbating a problem to make the overpriced Touchstone more appealing.<br>-As well known, there is no storage expansion supported.  I am disappointed with this in principal, though I don't have that much content myself.<br>-No tethering yet.  The device does not preset a CDC ACM device via USB, I don't think it does DUN profile (never used it before).  Sprint's CSO said tethering will be possible, but no evidence to date.<br>-It refuses to download files from the web it does not explicitly have a handler for.  For example, if you have Classic and want to try a prc you see on the internet, you can't download it and move it on the phone to the right location.  You must use another system to retrieve it and manipulate the Pre via USB mass storage mode.<br>-The SDK is not out and their selection of applications is rather slim at the moment.  I've played with 'WebShell'/'AjaxTerm', but it's impossible to use with Pre's inabliity to see that I'm trying to type in the page instead of a search.  Even when it does work somewhat, it's clear I need a real SSH client and other applications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the whole happy , but not without qualification : -The browser was good .
Relatively fast load and rendering , good touchscreen interaction .
The one site so far that I have some problems using is google reader .
The scrollable viewport for the articles is n't accommodated well .
There are enough alternative navigation options in reader that I can get by , but I have to get used to them .
Other sites depending on users to scroll within subelements like this may have issues.-The multitasking worked well .
I did manage to hit a few websites with huge images that ended up exhausting the memory and requiring me to close 'cards ' and only have 4 or so open , but these were very rare websites.-The device showed up as a usable mass-storage device , could access my pictures and stuff trivially .
Can not access their 'OS ' files.-The physical keypad works ok. The only other keyboard I 've tried much in this class has been blackberry .
The blackberry I could use 'reasonably ' without any experience .
My proficiency with the Pre is growing , but it was n't as trivial as Blackberry keypads.-I did n't think I 'd care much about one-handed operation , but it was more comfortable than having my hands so close together for a longer time .
This might not have been the case for a landscape keyboard , but certainly the ability to operate one-handed is there if one cares , has comfort issues , or use it in relation to 3.1 " porn.-The battery was relatively short lived in my first day usage .
I was hammering the thing a lot more ( constant music playing and browsing ) than I would normally .
An extended battery option is very possible ( battery is quite accessible ) and I wager likely .
If I settle down in usage , it might be reasonable .
Only time will tell.-The microUSB cover was a royal pain .
After a few opens and closes , it freed up some .
Still , it 's a lot more inconvenient than what I had done previously .
It 's almost as if they are exacerbating a problem to make the overpriced Touchstone more appealing.-As well known , there is no storage expansion supported .
I am disappointed with this in principal , though I do n't have that much content myself.-No tethering yet .
The device does not preset a CDC ACM device via USB , I do n't think it does DUN profile ( never used it before ) .
Sprint 's CSO said tethering will be possible , but no evidence to date.-It refuses to download files from the web it does not explicitly have a handler for .
For example , if you have Classic and want to try a prc you see on the internet , you ca n't download it and move it on the phone to the right location .
You must use another system to retrieve it and manipulate the Pre via USB mass storage mode.-The SDK is not out and their selection of applications is rather slim at the moment .
I 've played with 'WebShell'/'AjaxTerm ' , but it 's impossible to use with Pre 's inabliity to see that I 'm trying to type in the page instead of a search .
Even when it does work somewhat , it 's clear I need a real SSH client and other applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the whole happy, but not without qualification:-The browser was good.
Relatively fast load and rendering, good touchscreen interaction.
The one site so far that I have some problems using is google reader.
The scrollable viewport for the articles isn't accommodated well.
There are enough alternative navigation options in reader that I can get by, but I have to get used to them.
Other sites depending on users to scroll within subelements like this may have issues.-The multitasking worked well.
I did manage to hit a few websites with huge images that ended up exhausting the memory and requiring me to close 'cards' and only have 4 or so open, but these were very rare websites.-The device showed up as a usable mass-storage device, could access my pictures and stuff trivially.
Can not access their 'OS' files.-The physical keypad works ok.  The only other keyboard I've tried much in this class has been blackberry.
The blackberry I could use 'reasonably' without any experience.
My proficiency with the Pre is growing, but it wasn't as trivial as Blackberry keypads.-I didn't think I'd care much about one-handed operation, but it was more comfortable than having my hands so close together for a longer time.
This might not have been the case for a landscape keyboard, but certainly the ability to operate one-handed is there if one cares, has comfort issues, or use it in relation to 3.1" porn.-The battery was relatively short lived in my first day usage.
I was hammering the thing a lot more (constant music playing and browsing) than I would normally.
An extended battery option is very possible (battery is quite accessible) and I wager likely.
If I settle down in usage, it might be reasonable.
Only time will tell.-The microUSB cover was a royal pain.
After a few opens and closes, it freed up some.
Still, it's a lot more inconvenient than what I had done previously.
It's almost as if they are exacerbating a problem to make the overpriced Touchstone more appealing.-As well known, there is no storage expansion supported.
I am disappointed with this in principal, though I don't have that much content myself.-No tethering yet.
The device does not preset a CDC ACM device via USB, I don't think it does DUN profile (never used it before).
Sprint's CSO said tethering will be possible, but no evidence to date.-It refuses to download files from the web it does not explicitly have a handler for.
For example, if you have Classic and want to try a prc you see on the internet, you can't download it and move it on the phone to the right location.
You must use another system to retrieve it and manipulate the Pre via USB mass storage mode.-The SDK is not out and their selection of applications is rather slim at the moment.
I've played with 'WebShell'/'AjaxTerm', but it's impossible to use with Pre's inabliity to see that I'm trying to type in the page instead of a search.
Even when it does work somewhat, it's clear I need a real SSH client and other applications.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28242255</id>
	<title>Re:So the Pre 1.0 makes me appreciate my Treo 755p</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1244398020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Touchscreens are for noobs. All this time I've wondered what the iPhone crowd was crowing about with their touchscreens, but today, on the Pre, I really miss the fidelity and precision of a stylus and a 5 way navigation button the stylus lets me precisely hit exactly the point on the screen I am looking for and the nav button lets me precisely scroll up and down the number of items I desire. Exactly. Each time. Repeatedly.</i></p><p>Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the Pre just has a really crappy touchscreen? I like how people look at one bad implementation, and instantly declare every possible use of the technology to be horrible.</p><p>Anyway, you're actually somewhat right; the key is that the iPhone is designed around the touchscreen from day 1, and Palm applications aren't. The iPhone doesn't have any buttons that are small enough to fat-finger, except on the on-screen keyboard which has autocorrect to fix that for you anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Touchscreens are for noobs .
All this time I 've wondered what the iPhone crowd was crowing about with their touchscreens , but today , on the Pre , I really miss the fidelity and precision of a stylus and a 5 way navigation button the stylus lets me precisely hit exactly the point on the screen I am looking for and the nav button lets me precisely scroll up and down the number of items I desire .
Exactly. Each time .
Repeatedly.Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the Pre just has a really crappy touchscreen ?
I like how people look at one bad implementation , and instantly declare every possible use of the technology to be horrible.Anyway , you 're actually somewhat right ; the key is that the iPhone is designed around the touchscreen from day 1 , and Palm applications are n't .
The iPhone does n't have any buttons that are small enough to fat-finger , except on the on-screen keyboard which has autocorrect to fix that for you anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Touchscreens are for noobs.
All this time I've wondered what the iPhone crowd was crowing about with their touchscreens, but today, on the Pre, I really miss the fidelity and precision of a stylus and a 5 way navigation button the stylus lets me precisely hit exactly the point on the screen I am looking for and the nav button lets me precisely scroll up and down the number of items I desire.
Exactly. Each time.
Repeatedly.Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the Pre just has a really crappy touchscreen?
I like how people look at one bad implementation, and instantly declare every possible use of the technology to be horrible.Anyway, you're actually somewhat right; the key is that the iPhone is designed around the touchscreen from day 1, and Palm applications aren't.
The iPhone doesn't have any buttons that are small enough to fat-finger, except on the on-screen keyboard which has autocorrect to fix that for you anyway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238635</id>
	<title>Know what time it really is?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's time to FIRST POST.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's time to FIRST POST .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's time to FIRST POST.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238835</id>
	<title>Developers, Developers, Developers</title>
	<author>wiredlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1244306160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any bets on how Palm will screw over the developer community this time and finally ensure their belated demise?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any bets on how Palm will screw over the developer community this time and finally ensure their belated demise ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any bets on how Palm will screw over the developer community this time and finally ensure their belated demise?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28241681</id>
	<title>Re:Got the bad one</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244394060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And you can bet that he turned around and sold your defective phone to the next lucky customer in line. There's a reason why Sprint is consistently rated the worst phone company for customer service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And you can bet that he turned around and sold your defective phone to the next lucky customer in line .
There 's a reason why Sprint is consistently rated the worst phone company for customer service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And you can bet that he turned around and sold your defective phone to the next lucky customer in line.
There's a reason why Sprint is consistently rated the worst phone company for customer service.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239537</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28241293</id>
	<title>VOIP</title>
	<author>meehawl</author>
	<datestamp>1244389920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>EV-DO does not support data usage during voice calls. This sucks, as there are times when I'm on the phone and I need to look something up or send an email</i></p><p>I know, that really bugged me about Sprint's network, until I figured out I could use Google Voice, Skype and fring to get around that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>EV-DO does not support data usage during voice calls .
This sucks , as there are times when I 'm on the phone and I need to look something up or send an emailI know , that really bugged me about Sprint 's network , until I figured out I could use Google Voice , Skype and fring to get around that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EV-DO does not support data usage during voice calls.
This sucks, as there are times when I'm on the phone and I need to look something up or send an emailI know, that really bugged me about Sprint's network, until I figured out I could use Google Voice, Skype and fring to get around that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238813</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238849</id>
	<title>Better Javascript support</title>
	<author>StreetStealth</author>
	<datestamp>1244306400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I went to a site that had managed to moderately flummox my iPod Touch (the <a href="mupromo.com" title="slashdot.org">MacUpdate promotion bundle</a> [slashdot.org]) and the performance was significantly better. On Mobile Safari, the expanding boxes (which are supposed to operate on mouseover) either wouldn't expand when touching them or would only respond after a few seconds, the background was shifted off-center, and zooming seemed to do something strange to the text.</p><p>On the Pre, the site rendered the backgrounds properly, and the boxes expanded after a much shorter wait (1/2-1 second). I was impressed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I went to a site that had managed to moderately flummox my iPod Touch ( the MacUpdate promotion bundle [ slashdot.org ] ) and the performance was significantly better .
On Mobile Safari , the expanding boxes ( which are supposed to operate on mouseover ) either would n't expand when touching them or would only respond after a few seconds , the background was shifted off-center , and zooming seemed to do something strange to the text.On the Pre , the site rendered the backgrounds properly , and the boxes expanded after a much shorter wait ( 1/2-1 second ) .
I was impressed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went to a site that had managed to moderately flummox my iPod Touch (the MacUpdate promotion bundle [slashdot.org]) and the performance was significantly better.
On Mobile Safari, the expanding boxes (which are supposed to operate on mouseover) either wouldn't expand when touching them or would only respond after a few seconds, the background was shifted off-center, and zooming seemed to do something strange to the text.On the Pre, the site rendered the backgrounds properly, and the boxes expanded after a much shorter wait (1/2-1 second).
I was impressed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238741</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238761</id>
	<title>Dismantling Pictures</title>
	<author>kitezh</author>
	<datestamp>1244305440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"For the Pre-verts out there, here's some Palm Pre dismantling pictures."</p></div><p>Yes, but does it blend?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" For the Pre-verts out there , here 's some Palm Pre dismantling pictures .
" Yes , but does it blend ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"For the Pre-verts out there, here's some Palm Pre dismantling pictures.
"Yes, but does it blend?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28242993</id>
	<title>Fedora 8 is from 2007 and EOL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244403600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No kidding. Fedora 11 is due out any second now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No kidding .
Fedora 11 is due out any second now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No kidding.
Fedora 11 is due out any second now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238639</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238825</id>
	<title>After 20 minutes of use...</title>
	<author>StreetStealth</author>
	<datestamp>1244306040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think I can say it's a notch better than the iPhone's web browser. I'm not quite sure what it is, but there's something about the way it's antialiasing the fonts and the way it's wrapping lines of text that makes non-mobile-targeted sites easier on the eyes on the Pre than on the iPhone, despite the iPhone even having a slightly larger display.</p><p>This was the one thing I was pretty sure the Pre wouldn't do as well as the iPhone, go figure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I can say it 's a notch better than the iPhone 's web browser .
I 'm not quite sure what it is , but there 's something about the way it 's antialiasing the fonts and the way it 's wrapping lines of text that makes non-mobile-targeted sites easier on the eyes on the Pre than on the iPhone , despite the iPhone even having a slightly larger display.This was the one thing I was pretty sure the Pre would n't do as well as the iPhone , go figure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I can say it's a notch better than the iPhone's web browser.
I'm not quite sure what it is, but there's something about the way it's antialiasing the fonts and the way it's wrapping lines of text that makes non-mobile-targeted sites easier on the eyes on the Pre than on the iPhone, despite the iPhone even having a slightly larger display.This was the one thing I was pretty sure the Pre wouldn't do as well as the iPhone, go figure.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238633</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239361</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-Tip</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244314260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pro-Tip: For mass market appeal, don't call your fans Pre-verts.</p></div><p>Call them : preachers, preceptors, pretenders, predators, preppies? prepreposterous!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pro-Tip : For mass market appeal , do n't call your fans Pre-verts.Call them : preachers , preceptors , pretenders , predators , preppies ?
prepreposterous !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pro-Tip: For mass market appeal, don't call your fans Pre-verts.Call them : preachers, preceptors, pretenders, predators, preppies?
prepreposterous!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238643</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239029</id>
	<title>Re:First Impressions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244308620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AIM seems to be pointed to in a quite a few of the reviews as a huge consumer of battery life. Better to go without it until the AIM developers optimize the code -- or carry some spare batteries with you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AIM seems to be pointed to in a quite a few of the reviews as a huge consumer of battery life .
Better to go without it until the AIM developers optimize the code -- or carry some spare batteries with you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AIM seems to be pointed to in a quite a few of the reviews as a huge consumer of battery life.
Better to go without it until the AIM developers optimize the code -- or carry some spare batteries with you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238767</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239197</id>
	<title>Re:Did anyone go to a store...</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1244311200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That review would've been a lot easier to take if halfway down the demonstration of the camera wasn't a picture of a desk with assorted Apple hardware piled all around...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That review would 've been a lot easier to take if halfway down the demonstration of the camera was n't a picture of a desk with assorted Apple hardware piled all around.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That review would've been a lot easier to take if halfway down the demonstration of the camera wasn't a picture of a desk with assorted Apple hardware piled all around...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238741</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240401</id>
	<title>No support for SD/microSD card?</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1244377560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reading the detailed specs, I didn't see any mention of SD card support. While 7GB is not bad, it would have been much better to be able to extend that flash storage. Sure, one <i>could</i> use the USB mass storage suppot, but it makes it quite a bit less convenient to have to plug in a USB drive to listen to one of the songs you have there. Can you imagine having a USB flash drive protruding from the side of the Pre like that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading the detailed specs , I did n't see any mention of SD card support .
While 7GB is not bad , it would have been much better to be able to extend that flash storage .
Sure , one could use the USB mass storage suppot , but it makes it quite a bit less convenient to have to plug in a USB drive to listen to one of the songs you have there .
Can you imagine having a USB flash drive protruding from the side of the Pre like that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading the detailed specs, I didn't see any mention of SD card support.
While 7GB is not bad, it would have been much better to be able to extend that flash storage.
Sure, one could use the USB mass storage suppot, but it makes it quite a bit less convenient to have to plug in a USB drive to listen to one of the songs you have there.
Can you imagine having a USB flash drive protruding from the side of the Pre like that?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28250067</id>
	<title>Re:How to 'discuss' new hardware on the internet</title>
	<author>intheshelter</author>
	<datestamp>1244470860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You gay fanbois and your top 5 lists. . . .</htmltext>
<tokenext>You gay fanbois and your top 5 lists .
. .
.</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You gay fanbois and your top 5 lists.
. .
.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239835</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28247987</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone have words about the browsing</title>
	<author>Vastad</author>
	<datestamp>1244493420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You and I have the same Holy Grail.</p><p>When the netbooks first came out with 8" screens, I was excited but not quite satisfied by their design. It couldn't be used as a phone and was still too big.</p><p>Then the next-generation Netbooks went up to 10" screens and I was dismayed. As far as I am concerned, that's going the wrong way up the size-scale. Those extra 2" make it even more difficult to fit it in a minimal shoulder-bag (or "man-bag" as my sister calls them) let alone a pocket.</p><p>I'm hoping for something with a screen around 4" (my Nokia E61i's 2.8" is still too small, the iPhone is nearly perfect), good pixel count (not insane like the VAIO P series), <b>physical, tactile</b> QWERTY keyboard, Blackberry Bold style trackball and an OS that is an excellent thin client backed up by a good app store. If anything, the mobile phone is the best platform to take advantage of cloud computing, especially for borrowing processing power from the web.</p><p>The Nokia N97 is kind of there, it might be what I settle for while I wait for the Holy Grail. I'm sad that the new Android phone from HTC has ditched the physical keyboard for a touchscreen one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You and I have the same Holy Grail.When the netbooks first came out with 8 " screens , I was excited but not quite satisfied by their design .
It could n't be used as a phone and was still too big.Then the next-generation Netbooks went up to 10 " screens and I was dismayed .
As far as I am concerned , that 's going the wrong way up the size-scale .
Those extra 2 " make it even more difficult to fit it in a minimal shoulder-bag ( or " man-bag " as my sister calls them ) let alone a pocket.I 'm hoping for something with a screen around 4 " ( my Nokia E61i 's 2.8 " is still too small , the iPhone is nearly perfect ) , good pixel count ( not insane like the VAIO P series ) , physical , tactile QWERTY keyboard , Blackberry Bold style trackball and an OS that is an excellent thin client backed up by a good app store .
If anything , the mobile phone is the best platform to take advantage of cloud computing , especially for borrowing processing power from the web.The Nokia N97 is kind of there , it might be what I settle for while I wait for the Holy Grail .
I 'm sad that the new Android phone from HTC has ditched the physical keyboard for a touchscreen one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You and I have the same Holy Grail.When the netbooks first came out with 8" screens, I was excited but not quite satisfied by their design.
It couldn't be used as a phone and was still too big.Then the next-generation Netbooks went up to 10" screens and I was dismayed.
As far as I am concerned, that's going the wrong way up the size-scale.
Those extra 2" make it even more difficult to fit it in a minimal shoulder-bag (or "man-bag" as my sister calls them) let alone a pocket.I'm hoping for something with a screen around 4" (my Nokia E61i's 2.8" is still too small, the iPhone is nearly perfect), good pixel count (not insane like the VAIO P series), physical, tactile QWERTY keyboard, Blackberry Bold style trackball and an OS that is an excellent thin client backed up by a good app store.
If anything, the mobile phone is the best platform to take advantage of cloud computing, especially for borrowing processing power from the web.The Nokia N97 is kind of there, it might be what I settle for while I wait for the Holy Grail.
I'm sad that the new Android phone from HTC has ditched the physical keyboard for a touchscreen one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238633</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28246899</id>
	<title>Re:Exchange ActiveSync SSL issues</title>
	<author>gollito</author>
	<datestamp>1244393580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is very common.  All WinMo phones have this "issue" as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is very common .
All WinMo phones have this " issue " as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is very common.
All WinMo phones have this "issue" as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239463</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240415</id>
	<title>Re: disappearing UIs</title>
	<author>janopdm</author>
	<datestamp>1244377680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a trade between complexity and efficiency. You can cram information, shortcuts, and tricks (eg: the vi editor), but it requires a mental switch, unless you really really have been used that particular application.</p><p>I think one goal of Apple is to free yourself from that switch. Making each application UI a no brainer, you can concentrate on your job, and not in UI interaction. I think that's where most of the love for the iPhone comes from.</p><p>You should consider that an iPhone application is designed to be used with your fingers, and then ponder if designing for a stylus would improve it as much as to make it worth it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a trade between complexity and efficiency .
You can cram information , shortcuts , and tricks ( eg : the vi editor ) , but it requires a mental switch , unless you really really have been used that particular application.I think one goal of Apple is to free yourself from that switch .
Making each application UI a no brainer , you can concentrate on your job , and not in UI interaction .
I think that 's where most of the love for the iPhone comes from.You should consider that an iPhone application is designed to be used with your fingers , and then ponder if designing for a stylus would improve it as much as to make it worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a trade between complexity and efficiency.
You can cram information, shortcuts, and tricks (eg: the vi editor), but it requires a mental switch, unless you really really have been used that particular application.I think one goal of Apple is to free yourself from that switch.
Making each application UI a no brainer, you can concentrate on your job, and not in UI interaction.
I think that's where most of the love for the iPhone comes from.You should consider that an iPhone application is designed to be used with your fingers, and then ponder if designing for a stylus would improve it as much as to make it worth it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28250117</id>
	<title>Re:Why would You Buy a Pre NOW?</title>
	<author>intheshelter</author>
	<datestamp>1244471220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Prison" is quite the melodramatic overstatement, don't you think?  Although I would agree that the App Store approval process needs to be smoother and better defined, it hardly is a prison with 40,000+ apps available for download.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Prison " is quite the melodramatic overstatement , do n't you think ?
Although I would agree that the App Store approval process needs to be smoother and better defined , it hardly is a prison with 40,000 + apps available for download .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Prison" is quite the melodramatic overstatement, don't you think?
Although I would agree that the App Store approval process needs to be smoother and better defined, it hardly is a prison with 40,000+ apps available for download.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240769</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238709</id>
	<title>Really pretty sweet</title>
	<author>oddman</author>
	<datestamp>1244304900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a chance to play with one a little bit, it was really nice.

I was particular impressed by the quality of the screen and the fast response times in Google Maps.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a chance to play with one a little bit , it was really nice .
I was particular impressed by the quality of the screen and the fast response times in Google Maps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a chance to play with one a little bit, it was really nice.
I was particular impressed by the quality of the screen and the fast response times in Google Maps.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239435</id>
	<title>Both use Webkit, Pre slightly faster processor</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1244315340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>On a serious note, I'd like to hear from some really picky (but sane) people about how the browser compares to Safari.</i></p><p>I've only seen a video, but on a demo of the Pre browsing vs. the iPhone the Pre was faster - it's basically the same browser (and supports the same tapping techniques that makes the iPhone so usable browsing) so you'd expect it to be somewhat faster as the Pre itself has a faster processor, and also more memory than the current iPhone/Touch (meaning you can browse to more pages without the browser reloading).</p><p>The next iPhone will probably also have more memory and a faster processor, but it's a good thinking on Palm's part that it stays a forward thinking platform instead of going cheap with the resources.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On a serious note , I 'd like to hear from some really picky ( but sane ) people about how the browser compares to Safari.I 've only seen a video , but on a demo of the Pre browsing vs. the iPhone the Pre was faster - it 's basically the same browser ( and supports the same tapping techniques that makes the iPhone so usable browsing ) so you 'd expect it to be somewhat faster as the Pre itself has a faster processor , and also more memory than the current iPhone/Touch ( meaning you can browse to more pages without the browser reloading ) .The next iPhone will probably also have more memory and a faster processor , but it 's a good thinking on Palm 's part that it stays a forward thinking platform instead of going cheap with the resources .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On a serious note, I'd like to hear from some really picky (but sane) people about how the browser compares to Safari.I've only seen a video, but on a demo of the Pre browsing vs. the iPhone the Pre was faster - it's basically the same browser (and supports the same tapping techniques that makes the iPhone so usable browsing) so you'd expect it to be somewhat faster as the Pre itself has a faster processor, and also more memory than the current iPhone/Touch (meaning you can browse to more pages without the browser reloading).The next iPhone will probably also have more memory and a faster processor, but it's a good thinking on Palm's part that it stays a forward thinking platform instead of going cheap with the resources.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238741</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28244093</id>
	<title>Re:First Impressions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244369640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is very important to charge the battery properly for the first two charges to get the best out of your battery. From what you say I would say you've ruined your chances!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is very important to charge the battery properly for the first two charges to get the best out of your battery .
From what you say I would say you 've ruined your chances !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is very important to charge the battery properly for the first two charges to get the best out of your battery.
From what you say I would say you've ruined your chances!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238767</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240309</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone have words about the browsing</title>
	<author>IamTheRealMike</author>
	<datestamp>1244375760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The G1 browser is certainly less pretty than the iPhone/Pre browsers. And thanks to Apple it doesn't have multi-touch zooming (I guess Palm are confident they have enough mobile patents to cross license). However, one thing I've noticed is that drag response is way better on the G1 than the iPhone and apparently the Pre. I'm not sure what it is, but the checkerboard pattern is something I see a lot of on iPhones. I did a side by side comparison of my G1 and a friends iPhone, and the dragging response wasn't even comparable, the G1 blew it away. I'd love to know why, given that they are based on the same code. Pre seems to have the same problem!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The G1 browser is certainly less pretty than the iPhone/Pre browsers .
And thanks to Apple it does n't have multi-touch zooming ( I guess Palm are confident they have enough mobile patents to cross license ) .
However , one thing I 've noticed is that drag response is way better on the G1 than the iPhone and apparently the Pre .
I 'm not sure what it is , but the checkerboard pattern is something I see a lot of on iPhones .
I did a side by side comparison of my G1 and a friends iPhone , and the dragging response was n't even comparable , the G1 blew it away .
I 'd love to know why , given that they are based on the same code .
Pre seems to have the same problem !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The G1 browser is certainly less pretty than the iPhone/Pre browsers.
And thanks to Apple it doesn't have multi-touch zooming (I guess Palm are confident they have enough mobile patents to cross license).
However, one thing I've noticed is that drag response is way better on the G1 than the iPhone and apparently the Pre.
I'm not sure what it is, but the checkerboard pattern is something I see a lot of on iPhones.
I did a side by side comparison of my G1 and a friends iPhone, and the dragging response wasn't even comparable, the G1 blew it away.
I'd love to know why, given that they are based on the same code.
Pre seems to have the same problem!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239199</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28246365</id>
	<title>Two days with the Pre</title>
	<author>ckaminski</author>
	<datestamp>1244388300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First off, the battery on this thing is atrocious.  With GPS enabled and brightness fully turned up, expect 3-5 hours of battery life, and that's just web browsing and contact management, no phone calls.  The phone clarity and speaker is very good.  I'm not sure if there is any wired headset option.  I don't know if the 3.5mm headset jack supports a microphone.<br><br>The Contact management features are great - I love how 3 years of Gmail and 10 years of AIM contacts simply popped into my phone.  The only downside is browsing.  Scrolling through a list of 500+ contacts without using the keyboard is a PAIN IN THE ASS.   You also can't rename contacts in the phone.  Say you have a contact "Joe Blow" with just an email, but another contact with "Joe Blo" with address, phone numbers, more emails, etc.  You can make "Joe Blo" the primary profile source, but you can't rename it.  I'm not sure how I feel about this, or whether it's a limitation of Palm profile service.<br><br>Browsing - is just like the iPhone.<br><br>Keyboard - it's sunken a bit, which is new.  As a longtime Treo user (which took me some time to get used to), I adapted pretty well, and I have HUGE fingers.  The autocorrect is good, but annoying at times, as auto-correct can be.<br><br>Text fields and data entry:  If you make a typo, it's hard, using your finger, to position the caret at the exact spot you want to hit delete, or add new data.  I thing that they would have been well-served to at least keep a left/right scroll button on the phone.  I'm not sure if there's a simple feature of the phone I'm missing.<br><br>Speed dial:  I know it has the capability, but it appears to only be limited to 10 speed dial entries.  I like the Treo - I can put a speeddial entry on nearly the entire keyboard.<br><br>Wifi:  Works great.<br><br>Fits great in the hand.<br><br>Mostly, it takes a LOT of time to get the gestures down.  There are so many, I stumbled on many by accident.  But most are intuitive if you take a few minutes to think about it.<br><br>I've been looking for an upgrade (with wifi) to my Treo, with a touchscreen, and the Treo keyboard style, minus WinMo.  The Pre is apparently the only thing coming on the market in the near future that meets those requirements.<br><br>As a PIM, the Pre is hands down the best I've EVER used (minus the scrolling bit above).  I synced my Gmail account 10 seconds after I had the phone paid for.  I was reading email 60 seconds later, and playing Youtube a few minutes after that.  Palm has gotten it right.  Now they need to get Mojo out so their community of vendors can flesh out the platform.  There is a Palm Classic emulator - the question I have is if the emulator speaks to the Pre contact manager?</htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , the battery on this thing is atrocious .
With GPS enabled and brightness fully turned up , expect 3-5 hours of battery life , and that 's just web browsing and contact management , no phone calls .
The phone clarity and speaker is very good .
I 'm not sure if there is any wired headset option .
I do n't know if the 3.5mm headset jack supports a microphone.The Contact management features are great - I love how 3 years of Gmail and 10 years of AIM contacts simply popped into my phone .
The only downside is browsing .
Scrolling through a list of 500 + contacts without using the keyboard is a PAIN IN THE ASS .
You also ca n't rename contacts in the phone .
Say you have a contact " Joe Blow " with just an email , but another contact with " Joe Blo " with address , phone numbers , more emails , etc .
You can make " Joe Blo " the primary profile source , but you ca n't rename it .
I 'm not sure how I feel about this , or whether it 's a limitation of Palm profile service.Browsing - is just like the iPhone.Keyboard - it 's sunken a bit , which is new .
As a longtime Treo user ( which took me some time to get used to ) , I adapted pretty well , and I have HUGE fingers .
The autocorrect is good , but annoying at times , as auto-correct can be.Text fields and data entry : If you make a typo , it 's hard , using your finger , to position the caret at the exact spot you want to hit delete , or add new data .
I thing that they would have been well-served to at least keep a left/right scroll button on the phone .
I 'm not sure if there 's a simple feature of the phone I 'm missing.Speed dial : I know it has the capability , but it appears to only be limited to 10 speed dial entries .
I like the Treo - I can put a speeddial entry on nearly the entire keyboard.Wifi : Works great.Fits great in the hand.Mostly , it takes a LOT of time to get the gestures down .
There are so many , I stumbled on many by accident .
But most are intuitive if you take a few minutes to think about it.I 've been looking for an upgrade ( with wifi ) to my Treo , with a touchscreen , and the Treo keyboard style , minus WinMo .
The Pre is apparently the only thing coming on the market in the near future that meets those requirements.As a PIM , the Pre is hands down the best I 've EVER used ( minus the scrolling bit above ) .
I synced my Gmail account 10 seconds after I had the phone paid for .
I was reading email 60 seconds later , and playing Youtube a few minutes after that .
Palm has gotten it right .
Now they need to get Mojo out so their community of vendors can flesh out the platform .
There is a Palm Classic emulator - the question I have is if the emulator speaks to the Pre contact manager ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, the battery on this thing is atrocious.
With GPS enabled and brightness fully turned up, expect 3-5 hours of battery life, and that's just web browsing and contact management, no phone calls.
The phone clarity and speaker is very good.
I'm not sure if there is any wired headset option.
I don't know if the 3.5mm headset jack supports a microphone.The Contact management features are great - I love how 3 years of Gmail and 10 years of AIM contacts simply popped into my phone.
The only downside is browsing.
Scrolling through a list of 500+ contacts without using the keyboard is a PAIN IN THE ASS.
You also can't rename contacts in the phone.
Say you have a contact "Joe Blow" with just an email, but another contact with "Joe Blo" with address, phone numbers, more emails, etc.
You can make "Joe Blo" the primary profile source, but you can't rename it.
I'm not sure how I feel about this, or whether it's a limitation of Palm profile service.Browsing - is just like the iPhone.Keyboard - it's sunken a bit, which is new.
As a longtime Treo user (which took me some time to get used to), I adapted pretty well, and I have HUGE fingers.
The autocorrect is good, but annoying at times, as auto-correct can be.Text fields and data entry:  If you make a typo, it's hard, using your finger, to position the caret at the exact spot you want to hit delete, or add new data.
I thing that they would have been well-served to at least keep a left/right scroll button on the phone.
I'm not sure if there's a simple feature of the phone I'm missing.Speed dial:  I know it has the capability, but it appears to only be limited to 10 speed dial entries.
I like the Treo - I can put a speeddial entry on nearly the entire keyboard.Wifi:  Works great.Fits great in the hand.Mostly, it takes a LOT of time to get the gestures down.
There are so many, I stumbled on many by accident.
But most are intuitive if you take a few minutes to think about it.I've been looking for an upgrade (with wifi) to my Treo, with a touchscreen, and the Treo keyboard style, minus WinMo.
The Pre is apparently the only thing coming on the market in the near future that meets those requirements.As a PIM, the Pre is hands down the best I've EVER used (minus the scrolling bit above).
I synced my Gmail account 10 seconds after I had the phone paid for.
I was reading email 60 seconds later, and playing Youtube a few minutes after that.
Palm has gotten it right.
Now they need to get Mojo out so their community of vendors can flesh out the platform.
There is a Palm Classic emulator - the question I have is if the emulator speaks to the Pre contact manager?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238643</id>
	<title>Pro-Tip</title>
	<author>Kotoku</author>
	<datestamp>1244304120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pro-Tip: For mass market appeal, don't call your fans Pre-verts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pro-Tip : For mass market appeal , do n't call your fans Pre-verts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pro-Tip: For mass market appeal, don't call your fans Pre-verts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238633</id>
	<title>Anyone have words about the browsing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>experience on this thing in comparison to previous Palm OS devices? In comparison to an iPhone?</p><p>The Holy Grail of mobile phones, for me, is the phone that can give a really good browsing experience and can thus replace (at least in some small way) the need to carry a laptop at all times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>experience on this thing in comparison to previous Palm OS devices ?
In comparison to an iPhone ? The Holy Grail of mobile phones , for me , is the phone that can give a really good browsing experience and can thus replace ( at least in some small way ) the need to carry a laptop at all times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>experience on this thing in comparison to previous Palm OS devices?
In comparison to an iPhone?The Holy Grail of mobile phones, for me, is the phone that can give a really good browsing experience and can thus replace (at least in some small way) the need to carry a laptop at all times.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238833</id>
	<title>Submitter Quality Control</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244306160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Might I suggest that when a story submitter is too dumb to comprehend the difference between "to of" and "to have" that they have proven themselves incapable of meaningful participation anywhere outside Facebook and Myspace?</p><p>It's not even a difficult piece of grammar. "To of" is quite simply never correct in any situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Might I suggest that when a story submitter is too dumb to comprehend the difference between " to of " and " to have " that they have proven themselves incapable of meaningful participation anywhere outside Facebook and Myspace ? It 's not even a difficult piece of grammar .
" To of " is quite simply never correct in any situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Might I suggest that when a story submitter is too dumb to comprehend the difference between "to of" and "to have" that they have proven themselves incapable of meaningful participation anywhere outside Facebook and Myspace?It's not even a difficult piece of grammar.
"To of" is quite simply never correct in any situation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28246549</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-Tip</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244390160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pro-Tip: For mass market appeal, don't call your fans Pre-verts.</p></div><p>That's "Pre-vects"!</p><p>Sorry.. Wrong thread.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pro-Tip : For mass market appeal , do n't call your fans Pre-verts.That 's " Pre-vects " ! Sorry.. Wrong thread .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pro-Tip: For mass market appeal, don't call your fans Pre-verts.That's "Pre-vects"!Sorry.. Wrong thread.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238643</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239991</id>
	<title>Re:So the Pre 1.0 makes me appreciate my Treo 755p</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244369520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Re: firmware updates, I think people have a slightly misguided view of what they call "firmware".</p><p>Firmware is really only the low-level modem firmware, chipset firmware, etc. All of that should be pretty stable. Nobody says "man, I wish that mass storage firmware was updated" unless there was some serious enough problem to go around mucking with the firmware.</p><p>On the other hand, the apps and OS are going to be updated over the air. Especially with apps written in Javascript, it shouldn't be hard to maintain support for older WebOS products. It's not like the Treo where it ships with a particular version of the OS and you're stuck with it. When WebOS 2.0 and 3.0 come out, it'll be available for the Pre and probably the entire line of WebOS devices.</p><p>I agree with your other comments, though. There's a lot of work to be done before it's really a solid product.</p><p>I think one of the big disadvantages of an OS designed and exclusively run on a single company's hardware is that you're stuck with that company's design choices. For example, the iPhone has no physical keyboard, and probably never will. For the Palm, the keyboard is always going to be portrait-mode only with small round keys. It's a surprise they actually made a slider. They're not likely to do anything like put back the 5-way anytime soon though.</p><p>A single company (especially one of the size of Palm) just doesn't have the resources or creative focus to create multiple non-crappy  product lines catering to different people. Of course, the Android approach has its own problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Re : firmware updates , I think people have a slightly misguided view of what they call " firmware " .Firmware is really only the low-level modem firmware , chipset firmware , etc .
All of that should be pretty stable .
Nobody says " man , I wish that mass storage firmware was updated " unless there was some serious enough problem to go around mucking with the firmware.On the other hand , the apps and OS are going to be updated over the air .
Especially with apps written in Javascript , it should n't be hard to maintain support for older WebOS products .
It 's not like the Treo where it ships with a particular version of the OS and you 're stuck with it .
When WebOS 2.0 and 3.0 come out , it 'll be available for the Pre and probably the entire line of WebOS devices.I agree with your other comments , though .
There 's a lot of work to be done before it 's really a solid product.I think one of the big disadvantages of an OS designed and exclusively run on a single company 's hardware is that you 're stuck with that company 's design choices .
For example , the iPhone has no physical keyboard , and probably never will .
For the Palm , the keyboard is always going to be portrait-mode only with small round keys .
It 's a surprise they actually made a slider .
They 're not likely to do anything like put back the 5-way anytime soon though.A single company ( especially one of the size of Palm ) just does n't have the resources or creative focus to create multiple non-crappy product lines catering to different people .
Of course , the Android approach has its own problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Re: firmware updates, I think people have a slightly misguided view of what they call "firmware".Firmware is really only the low-level modem firmware, chipset firmware, etc.
All of that should be pretty stable.
Nobody says "man, I wish that mass storage firmware was updated" unless there was some serious enough problem to go around mucking with the firmware.On the other hand, the apps and OS are going to be updated over the air.
Especially with apps written in Javascript, it shouldn't be hard to maintain support for older WebOS products.
It's not like the Treo where it ships with a particular version of the OS and you're stuck with it.
When WebOS 2.0 and 3.0 come out, it'll be available for the Pre and probably the entire line of WebOS devices.I agree with your other comments, though.
There's a lot of work to be done before it's really a solid product.I think one of the big disadvantages of an OS designed and exclusively run on a single company's hardware is that you're stuck with that company's design choices.
For example, the iPhone has no physical keyboard, and probably never will.
For the Palm, the keyboard is always going to be portrait-mode only with small round keys.
It's a surprise they actually made a slider.
They're not likely to do anything like put back the 5-way anytime soon though.A single company (especially one of the size of Palm) just doesn't have the resources or creative focus to create multiple non-crappy  product lines catering to different people.
Of course, the Android approach has its own problems.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238797</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone have words about the browsing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does the word "nigger" offend you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the word " nigger " offend you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the word "nigger" offend you?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238633</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240663</id>
	<title>Manually load contacts file?</title>
	<author>oneiros27</author>
	<datestamp>1244381400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone yet find a way to manually load your calendar or address book?  iTunes moves the files over, but I can't find a way to get the Pre to look at them.</p><p>(Palm's "Data Transfer Assistant", for Macs requires 10.5, and I'm still on 10.4)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone yet find a way to manually load your calendar or address book ?
iTunes moves the files over , but I ca n't find a way to get the Pre to look at them .
( Palm 's " Data Transfer Assistant " , for Macs requires 10.5 , and I 'm still on 10.4 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone yet find a way to manually load your calendar or address book?
iTunes moves the files over, but I can't find a way to get the Pre to look at them.
(Palm's "Data Transfer Assistant", for Macs requires 10.5, and I'm still on 10.4)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238773</id>
	<title>Holding out for the underdog</title>
	<author>memphis.barbecue</author>
	<datestamp>1244305500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i> seems to of</i>"?<br>
<br>
I'm not familiar with that phrase, O'Neill.
 <br>
<br>
Seriously, though, I've been with AT&amp;T and didn't want to switch to the iPhone (I root for underdogs), so it's a little disappointing that yet another sweet-looking smartphone is locked in to a single carrier. You have to go with T-Mobile to get an Android phone, and you have to go with Sprint to get the Palm Pre.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" seems to of " ?
I 'm not familiar with that phrase , O'Neill .
Seriously , though , I 've been with AT&amp;T and did n't want to switch to the iPhone ( I root for underdogs ) , so it 's a little disappointing that yet another sweet-looking smartphone is locked in to a single carrier .
You have to go with T-Mobile to get an Android phone , and you have to go with Sprint to get the Palm Pre .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" seems to of"?
I'm not familiar with that phrase, O'Neill.
Seriously, though, I've been with AT&amp;T and didn't want to switch to the iPhone (I root for underdogs), so it's a little disappointing that yet another sweet-looking smartphone is locked in to a single carrier.
You have to go with T-Mobile to get an Android phone, and you have to go with Sprint to get the Palm Pre.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28267349</id>
	<title>Re:So far, 4/5 stars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244568420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tactile feedback is important. Very important. The fact that for <i>some</i> applications a touch screen is useful does not negate the power of a physical keyboard. Way to fail reading comprehension BTW. He didn't say the keyboard is inconvenient. Accessing it for every little thing is. And that can be fixed by fixing the layout and/or using some sort of pointer nipple next to the screen, with an onscreen display.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tactile feedback is important .
Very important .
The fact that for some applications a touch screen is useful does not negate the power of a physical keyboard .
Way to fail reading comprehension BTW .
He did n't say the keyboard is inconvenient .
Accessing it for every little thing is .
And that can be fixed by fixing the layout and/or using some sort of pointer nipple next to the screen , with an onscreen display .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tactile feedback is important.
Very important.
The fact that for some applications a touch screen is useful does not negate the power of a physical keyboard.
Way to fail reading comprehension BTW.
He didn't say the keyboard is inconvenient.
Accessing it for every little thing is.
And that can be fixed by fixing the layout and/or using some sort of pointer nipple next to the screen, with an onscreen display.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28249693</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239127</id>
	<title>So the Pre 1.0 makes me appreciate my Treo 755p</title>
	<author>jerryasher</author>
	<datestamp>1244310240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Weird because while I love my Treo I hate my Treo, but using version 1.0 of web os makes me appreciate my Treo much more.</p><p>So yeah yeah yeah, Pre is great.  But here is where I think it sucks compared to my Treo.</p><p>The calendar program is puny and worthless in comparison to the Treo + Agendus.  It's very hard to visualize what is happening a month at a time on the Pre.  On the Treo + Agendus, there are icons for birthday cakes, and icons for dentist appointments and all sorts of very useful 16x16 icons that help a great deal visualizing what's going on a month at a time.</p><p>The memos and tasks are truly worthless.  Very hard to make detailed notes.  No way to categorize or organize the notes.  I have over 200 notes on the Treo and they are simple to find and all are searchable.  None are searchable on the Pre and there is not even a way to categorize them.</p><p>Touchscreens are for noobs.  All this time I've wondered what the iPhone crowd was crowing about with their touchscreens, but today, on the Pre, I really miss the fidelity and precision of a stylus and a 5 way navigation button the stylus lets me precisely hit exactly the point on the screen I am looking for and the nav button lets me precisely scroll up and down the number of items I desire.  Exactly.  Each time.  Repeatedly.</p><p>The software is at a very simple and unsophisticated level.  Websites constantly need to be zoomed and the browser doesn't remember that I've zoomed this website the last three times I've been to it, and so does not automatically zoom it the next time.  Compare to Firefox.</p><p>And webos is slow.  The whole thing feels slow compared, yes, to the PalmOS on the Treo 755p EVEN with it's white screens of death.  It's frustrating and may go back to the store within the 30 day period while I wait for webos 2.0.</p><p>And I fear that contrary to what Palm has been saying, the problems will be firmware related and not an easy download.  And frankly, the Treo experience is that Palm will release one new set of firmware, maybe two, and then consider the phone dead and push people to get the next one.</p><p>So we'll see.  I think the hope of the phone is:<br>
&nbsp; * a firmware upgrade from palm<br>
&nbsp; * release of mojo sdk and native apps from long time palm developers</p><p>Ya know, just because the iPhone only has one button doesn't mean Apple was right to go that route.  Apple loved their one button mouse for a decade when everyone else knew how stupid that was.  5 way nav buttons and a stylus isn't such a horrible klugey interface as much as forcing touchscreen for everything is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Weird because while I love my Treo I hate my Treo , but using version 1.0 of web os makes me appreciate my Treo much more.So yeah yeah yeah , Pre is great .
But here is where I think it sucks compared to my Treo.The calendar program is puny and worthless in comparison to the Treo + Agendus .
It 's very hard to visualize what is happening a month at a time on the Pre .
On the Treo + Agendus , there are icons for birthday cakes , and icons for dentist appointments and all sorts of very useful 16x16 icons that help a great deal visualizing what 's going on a month at a time.The memos and tasks are truly worthless .
Very hard to make detailed notes .
No way to categorize or organize the notes .
I have over 200 notes on the Treo and they are simple to find and all are searchable .
None are searchable on the Pre and there is not even a way to categorize them.Touchscreens are for noobs .
All this time I 've wondered what the iPhone crowd was crowing about with their touchscreens , but today , on the Pre , I really miss the fidelity and precision of a stylus and a 5 way navigation button the stylus lets me precisely hit exactly the point on the screen I am looking for and the nav button lets me precisely scroll up and down the number of items I desire .
Exactly. Each time .
Repeatedly.The software is at a very simple and unsophisticated level .
Websites constantly need to be zoomed and the browser does n't remember that I 've zoomed this website the last three times I 've been to it , and so does not automatically zoom it the next time .
Compare to Firefox.And webos is slow .
The whole thing feels slow compared , yes , to the PalmOS on the Treo 755p EVEN with it 's white screens of death .
It 's frustrating and may go back to the store within the 30 day period while I wait for webos 2.0.And I fear that contrary to what Palm has been saying , the problems will be firmware related and not an easy download .
And frankly , the Treo experience is that Palm will release one new set of firmware , maybe two , and then consider the phone dead and push people to get the next one.So we 'll see .
I think the hope of the phone is :   * a firmware upgrade from palm   * release of mojo sdk and native apps from long time palm developersYa know , just because the iPhone only has one button does n't mean Apple was right to go that route .
Apple loved their one button mouse for a decade when everyone else knew how stupid that was .
5 way nav buttons and a stylus is n't such a horrible klugey interface as much as forcing touchscreen for everything is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Weird because while I love my Treo I hate my Treo, but using version 1.0 of web os makes me appreciate my Treo much more.So yeah yeah yeah, Pre is great.
But here is where I think it sucks compared to my Treo.The calendar program is puny and worthless in comparison to the Treo + Agendus.
It's very hard to visualize what is happening a month at a time on the Pre.
On the Treo + Agendus, there are icons for birthday cakes, and icons for dentist appointments and all sorts of very useful 16x16 icons that help a great deal visualizing what's going on a month at a time.The memos and tasks are truly worthless.
Very hard to make detailed notes.
No way to categorize or organize the notes.
I have over 200 notes on the Treo and they are simple to find and all are searchable.
None are searchable on the Pre and there is not even a way to categorize them.Touchscreens are for noobs.
All this time I've wondered what the iPhone crowd was crowing about with their touchscreens, but today, on the Pre, I really miss the fidelity and precision of a stylus and a 5 way navigation button the stylus lets me precisely hit exactly the point on the screen I am looking for and the nav button lets me precisely scroll up and down the number of items I desire.
Exactly.  Each time.
Repeatedly.The software is at a very simple and unsophisticated level.
Websites constantly need to be zoomed and the browser doesn't remember that I've zoomed this website the last three times I've been to it, and so does not automatically zoom it the next time.
Compare to Firefox.And webos is slow.
The whole thing feels slow compared, yes, to the PalmOS on the Treo 755p EVEN with it's white screens of death.
It's frustrating and may go back to the store within the 30 day period while I wait for webos 2.0.And I fear that contrary to what Palm has been saying, the problems will be firmware related and not an easy download.
And frankly, the Treo experience is that Palm will release one new set of firmware, maybe two, and then consider the phone dead and push people to get the next one.So we'll see.
I think the hope of the phone is:
  * a firmware upgrade from palm
  * release of mojo sdk and native apps from long time palm developersYa know, just because the iPhone only has one button doesn't mean Apple was right to go that route.
Apple loved their one button mouse for a decade when everyone else knew how stupid that was.
5 way nav buttons and a stylus isn't such a horrible klugey interface as much as forcing touchscreen for everything is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28241521</id>
	<title>My take...</title>
	<author>tekiegreg</author>
	<datestamp>1244391900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Took one look at the phone and the $199 price tag and said "ooh cheap SmartPhone", of course than I took a look at the monthly plans that they require with it and realized I'd have to pay nearly double what I give Sprint now per month. Let me know when they're more rational on the monthly plans and I'll go for it otherwise, fuggedaboutit....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Took one look at the phone and the $ 199 price tag and said " ooh cheap SmartPhone " , of course than I took a look at the monthly plans that they require with it and realized I 'd have to pay nearly double what I give Sprint now per month .
Let me know when they 're more rational on the monthly plans and I 'll go for it otherwise , fuggedaboutit... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Took one look at the phone and the $199 price tag and said "ooh cheap SmartPhone", of course than I took a look at the monthly plans that they require with it and realized I'd have to pay nearly double what I give Sprint now per month.
Let me know when they're more rational on the monthly plans and I'll go for it otherwise, fuggedaboutit....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28268011</id>
	<title>Re:Got one</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244571180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I LOVE mine!</p><p>What else can I say? This is a geek's phone. I'm currently staying by my mother-in-law's side every night in a rest home, in a very, very rural area in Colorado. I can read the New York Times all night, and regain contact with the rest of the world. Browser can be zoomed in enough to make web work quite possible. So, for the first time in months, I am able to resume my work. (Can easily transfer my 3d models from my laptop to the phone and upload them to customers - whereas I can't create a stable connection via my laptop. Beautiful screen - shape is hand-friendly and elegant: makes iPhone look and feel like a clumsy brick, by comparison. Absolutely wonderful phone.</p><p>I went back and bought a second for my sister-in-law at full price (+/- $600 USD). I love it that much!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I LOVE mine ! What else can I say ?
This is a geek 's phone .
I 'm currently staying by my mother-in-law 's side every night in a rest home , in a very , very rural area in Colorado .
I can read the New York Times all night , and regain contact with the rest of the world .
Browser can be zoomed in enough to make web work quite possible .
So , for the first time in months , I am able to resume my work .
( Can easily transfer my 3d models from my laptop to the phone and upload them to customers - whereas I ca n't create a stable connection via my laptop .
Beautiful screen - shape is hand-friendly and elegant : makes iPhone look and feel like a clumsy brick , by comparison .
Absolutely wonderful phone.I went back and bought a second for my sister-in-law at full price ( + /- $ 600 USD ) .
I love it that much !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I LOVE mine!What else can I say?
This is a geek's phone.
I'm currently staying by my mother-in-law's side every night in a rest home, in a very, very rural area in Colorado.
I can read the New York Times all night, and regain contact with the rest of the world.
Browser can be zoomed in enough to make web work quite possible.
So, for the first time in months, I am able to resume my work.
(Can easily transfer my 3d models from my laptop to the phone and upload them to customers - whereas I can't create a stable connection via my laptop.
Beautiful screen - shape is hand-friendly and elegant: makes iPhone look and feel like a clumsy brick, by comparison.
Absolutely wonderful phone.I went back and bought a second for my sister-in-law at full price (+/- $600 USD).
I love it that much!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240735</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239677</id>
	<title>Re:So the Pre 1.0 makes me appreciate my Treo 755p</title>
	<author>n1ffo</author>
	<datestamp>1244405700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.motionapps.com/classic/" title="motionapps.com" rel="nofollow">Classic</a> [motionapps.com] will allow you to run Agendus on the Pre. If you can adjust to the hardware differences, it might be worth considering.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Classic [ motionapps.com ] will allow you to run Agendus on the Pre .
If you can adjust to the hardware differences , it might be worth considering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Classic [motionapps.com] will allow you to run Agendus on the Pre.
If you can adjust to the hardware differences, it might be worth considering.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28242031</id>
	<title>Re:Why would You Buy a Pre NOW?</title>
	<author>distilledprodigy</author>
	<datestamp>1244396460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure that if the iPhone 3.0 were available on Sprint your argument would make more since.  Many of us have contracts with Sprint and/or just like Sprint better than AT&amp;T.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure that if the iPhone 3.0 were available on Sprint your argument would make more since .
Many of us have contracts with Sprint and/or just like Sprint better than AT&amp;T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure that if the iPhone 3.0 were available on Sprint your argument would make more since.
Many of us have contracts with Sprint and/or just like Sprint better than AT&amp;T.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240197</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28243105</id>
	<title>Re:Got one</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244404380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A question for someone who owns a pre, does it support offline (local files) browsing?</p><p>One of the things that I loved about my various palm devices and my psp is that you could save html files to them (html-ized books, my own notes (I love markdown), manuals for various things, etc and use them wherever you had 5 minutes or hours (for example when flying or riding a bus). Does the pre support this usage? I just want a mass storage device that I can plunk any html file I want onto and be able to read it whenever/wherever.</p><p>I don't believe either the iPhone/iTouch or Android devices support this... Maybe I am wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A question for someone who owns a pre , does it support offline ( local files ) browsing ? One of the things that I loved about my various palm devices and my psp is that you could save html files to them ( html-ized books , my own notes ( I love markdown ) , manuals for various things , etc and use them wherever you had 5 minutes or hours ( for example when flying or riding a bus ) .
Does the pre support this usage ?
I just want a mass storage device that I can plunk any html file I want onto and be able to read it whenever/wherever.I do n't believe either the iPhone/iTouch or Android devices support this... Maybe I am wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A question for someone who owns a pre, does it support offline (local files) browsing?One of the things that I loved about my various palm devices and my psp is that you could save html files to them (html-ized books, my own notes (I love markdown), manuals for various things, etc and use them wherever you had 5 minutes or hours (for example when flying or riding a bus).
Does the pre support this usage?
I just want a mass storage device that I can plunk any html file I want onto and be able to read it whenever/wherever.I don't believe either the iPhone/iTouch or Android devices support this... Maybe I am wrong.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240735</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239053</id>
	<title>Fedora?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244308920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is Fedora Linux?</p><p>I use a real Linux distro.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is Fedora Linux ? I use a real Linux distro .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is Fedora Linux?I use a real Linux distro.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238697</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone have words about the browsing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Basic browsing is similar to iPhone albeit on a smaller screen (same resolution).  It's much better than previous Palm devices.  Unlike when the Treo 650 was released, or the iPhone was released, Sprint had Pre's booted up and useable in the store (although they hadn't turned the alarm off before I reached for it).  Tested the web-browsing before I bought one....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Basic browsing is similar to iPhone albeit on a smaller screen ( same resolution ) .
It 's much better than previous Palm devices .
Unlike when the Treo 650 was released , or the iPhone was released , Sprint had Pre 's booted up and useable in the store ( although they had n't turned the alarm off before I reached for it ) .
Tested the web-browsing before I bought one... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basic browsing is similar to iPhone albeit on a smaller screen (same resolution).
It's much better than previous Palm devices.
Unlike when the Treo 650 was released, or the iPhone was released, Sprint had Pre's booted up and useable in the store (although they hadn't turned the alarm off before I reached for it).
Tested the web-browsing before I bought one....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238633</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28242239</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone have words about the browsing</title>
	<author>mrmeval</author>
	<datestamp>1244397900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I Want A Fucking Phone. I Want It To Make Phone Calls. I Want It To Serve Me Coffee and Blow Jobs. I Want It To Look Like Tricia Helfer! Come On!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I Want A Fucking Phone .
I Want It To Make Phone Calls .
I Want It To Serve Me Coffee and Blow Jobs .
I Want It To Look Like Tricia Helfer !
Come On !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I Want A Fucking Phone.
I Want It To Make Phone Calls.
I Want It To Serve Me Coffee and Blow Jobs.
I Want It To Look Like Tricia Helfer!
Come On!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238633</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240769</id>
	<title>Re:Why would You Buy a Pre NOW?</title>
	<author>pankkake</author>
	<datestamp>1244383140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Plain and simple: because the iPhone is a prison. You can't install anything that isn't approved by Apple's App Store.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plain and simple : because the iPhone is a prison .
You ca n't install anything that is n't approved by Apple 's App Store .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plain and simple: because the iPhone is a prison.
You can't install anything that isn't approved by Apple's App Store.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240197</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239537</id>
	<title>Got the bad one</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244316540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I liked the phone while I had it, but there were problems with the USB port.  This would have been annoying if it were isolated to file transfers, but I couldn't get it to consistently charge either.  That made the problem a deal-breaker.  (The Sprint store had sold all 7 of their Touchstones before I got there.)  Fortunately I was able to get a Sprint employee to witness the connectivity problem.  But for some reason the manager wasn't convinced the phone was bad.  I explained to him that a phone that charges sporadically wasn't useful to me.  His employee even confirmed that the phone wouldn't charge when he tried it.  But the manager countered by reminding me that one of his employees got it to charge for awhile.  To be fair, the manager did try to get guidance from Sprint tech support, but the only suggestion they came up with was to reset the phone.  That didn't solve the problem of a defective USB port.</p><p>The manager told me that he wouldn't be able to reserve a replacement Pre for me, because I can't just "cut in line."  He said I'd have to keep checking with the store to see if they had any available.  I disagreed about whether an exchange should be considered "cutting in line," but he was still convinced the Pre was working fine.  Hard to reason with somebody in that frame of mind.</p><p>They offered to let me keep the Pre until new supplies arrived, but I explained that a phone that wouldn't reliably charge was useless.  I gave everything back, and had them reactivate my Treo.  The employee who witnessed the problem entered some notes in my account to ensure that I get the existing customer discount when I return.  He also gave me his business card so that I can go straight to him for the purchase.  I won't, however, be purchasing the $200 of accessories that I returned today.  They lost that sale due to the way they handled my situation.</p><p>I really hope Sprint and Palm have a very successful year.  I'm looking forward to getting a Pre, and I expect that the next one will be fine.  But the store manager's attitude during this ordeal was disappointing.  Once things have settled, I'll send a letter to Sprint Customer Relations explaining exactly what transpired.  (There's quite a bit more than what I've posted here.  I made 4 trips to the store during a 6 hour period to get this resolved.)  I've been with Sprint for 11 years now, and the only time I have trouble is when I deal with their staff in the stores.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I liked the phone while I had it , but there were problems with the USB port .
This would have been annoying if it were isolated to file transfers , but I could n't get it to consistently charge either .
That made the problem a deal-breaker .
( The Sprint store had sold all 7 of their Touchstones before I got there .
) Fortunately I was able to get a Sprint employee to witness the connectivity problem .
But for some reason the manager was n't convinced the phone was bad .
I explained to him that a phone that charges sporadically was n't useful to me .
His employee even confirmed that the phone would n't charge when he tried it .
But the manager countered by reminding me that one of his employees got it to charge for awhile .
To be fair , the manager did try to get guidance from Sprint tech support , but the only suggestion they came up with was to reset the phone .
That did n't solve the problem of a defective USB port.The manager told me that he would n't be able to reserve a replacement Pre for me , because I ca n't just " cut in line .
" He said I 'd have to keep checking with the store to see if they had any available .
I disagreed about whether an exchange should be considered " cutting in line , " but he was still convinced the Pre was working fine .
Hard to reason with somebody in that frame of mind.They offered to let me keep the Pre until new supplies arrived , but I explained that a phone that would n't reliably charge was useless .
I gave everything back , and had them reactivate my Treo .
The employee who witnessed the problem entered some notes in my account to ensure that I get the existing customer discount when I return .
He also gave me his business card so that I can go straight to him for the purchase .
I wo n't , however , be purchasing the $ 200 of accessories that I returned today .
They lost that sale due to the way they handled my situation.I really hope Sprint and Palm have a very successful year .
I 'm looking forward to getting a Pre , and I expect that the next one will be fine .
But the store manager 's attitude during this ordeal was disappointing .
Once things have settled , I 'll send a letter to Sprint Customer Relations explaining exactly what transpired .
( There 's quite a bit more than what I 've posted here .
I made 4 trips to the store during a 6 hour period to get this resolved .
) I 've been with Sprint for 11 years now , and the only time I have trouble is when I deal with their staff in the stores .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I liked the phone while I had it, but there were problems with the USB port.
This would have been annoying if it were isolated to file transfers, but I couldn't get it to consistently charge either.
That made the problem a deal-breaker.
(The Sprint store had sold all 7 of their Touchstones before I got there.
)  Fortunately I was able to get a Sprint employee to witness the connectivity problem.
But for some reason the manager wasn't convinced the phone was bad.
I explained to him that a phone that charges sporadically wasn't useful to me.
His employee even confirmed that the phone wouldn't charge when he tried it.
But the manager countered by reminding me that one of his employees got it to charge for awhile.
To be fair, the manager did try to get guidance from Sprint tech support, but the only suggestion they came up with was to reset the phone.
That didn't solve the problem of a defective USB port.The manager told me that he wouldn't be able to reserve a replacement Pre for me, because I can't just "cut in line.
"  He said I'd have to keep checking with the store to see if they had any available.
I disagreed about whether an exchange should be considered "cutting in line," but he was still convinced the Pre was working fine.
Hard to reason with somebody in that frame of mind.They offered to let me keep the Pre until new supplies arrived, but I explained that a phone that wouldn't reliably charge was useless.
I gave everything back, and had them reactivate my Treo.
The employee who witnessed the problem entered some notes in my account to ensure that I get the existing customer discount when I return.
He also gave me his business card so that I can go straight to him for the purchase.
I won't, however, be purchasing the $200 of accessories that I returned today.
They lost that sale due to the way they handled my situation.I really hope Sprint and Palm have a very successful year.
I'm looking forward to getting a Pre, and I expect that the next one will be fine.
But the store manager's attitude during this ordeal was disappointing.
Once things have settled, I'll send a letter to Sprint Customer Relations explaining exactly what transpired.
(There's quite a bit more than what I've posted here.
I made 4 trips to the store during a 6 hour period to get this resolved.
)  I've been with Sprint for 11 years now, and the only time I have trouble is when I deal with their staff in the stores.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239729</id>
	<title>Re:So the Pre 1.0 makes me appreciate my Treo 755p</title>
	<author>SoupIsGoodFood\_42</author>
	<datestamp>1244406720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any input requiring the stylus on my Treo 600 was annoying, removing the stylus was just another step slowing me down for most of the stuff I did. But I did like the 5-way nav button. It's so much faster for some things compared to a touchscreen (stylus or finger). However, I'm happy enough with my iPhone since Apple have made the touchscreen-only UI work so well (guess that makes me a noob). It's a pity the Pre has no 5-way, since it is going after the button pushing market compared to the iPhone. Perhaps they were too busy rushing it to market, since getting the 5-way to work well across all apps does requires more time than just implementing the hardware -- it's a whole separate UI mechanism to work out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any input requiring the stylus on my Treo 600 was annoying , removing the stylus was just another step slowing me down for most of the stuff I did .
But I did like the 5-way nav button .
It 's so much faster for some things compared to a touchscreen ( stylus or finger ) .
However , I 'm happy enough with my iPhone since Apple have made the touchscreen-only UI work so well ( guess that makes me a noob ) .
It 's a pity the Pre has no 5-way , since it is going after the button pushing market compared to the iPhone .
Perhaps they were too busy rushing it to market , since getting the 5-way to work well across all apps does requires more time than just implementing the hardware -- it 's a whole separate UI mechanism to work out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any input requiring the stylus on my Treo 600 was annoying, removing the stylus was just another step slowing me down for most of the stuff I did.
But I did like the 5-way nav button.
It's so much faster for some things compared to a touchscreen (stylus or finger).
However, I'm happy enough with my iPhone since Apple have made the touchscreen-only UI work so well (guess that makes me a noob).
It's a pity the Pre has no 5-way, since it is going after the button pushing market compared to the iPhone.
Perhaps they were too busy rushing it to market, since getting the 5-way to work well across all apps does requires more time than just implementing the hardware -- it's a whole separate UI mechanism to work out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238781</id>
	<title>Re:Did anyone go to a store...</title>
	<author>kybur</author>
	<datestamp>1244305620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's really nice.  I was so tired of reading the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/palm version on my iphone.  Thanks for the link.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's really nice .
I was so tired of reading the /palm version on my iphone .
Thanks for the link .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's really nice.
I was so tired of reading the /palm version on my iphone.
Thanks for the link.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238741</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239467</id>
	<title>Re:So the Pre 1.0 makes me appreciate my Treo 755p</title>
	<author>Microlith</author>
	<datestamp>1244315700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;Apple loved their one button mouse for a decade when everyone else knew how stupid that was.<br>Having a billion buttons on your mouse (or hell, even two) doesn't make it better. Apple's got only one button and it makes sense. Geeks who fail to THINK from other points of view and can't see a reason for something will generally miss good ideas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; Apple loved their one button mouse for a decade when everyone else knew how stupid that was.Having a billion buttons on your mouse ( or hell , even two ) does n't make it better .
Apple 's got only one button and it makes sense .
Geeks who fail to THINK from other points of view and ca n't see a reason for something will generally miss good ideas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;Apple loved their one button mouse for a decade when everyone else knew how stupid that was.Having a billion buttons on your mouse (or hell, even two) doesn't make it better.
Apple's got only one button and it makes sense.
Geeks who fail to THINK from other points of view and can't see a reason for something will generally miss good ideas.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239881</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-Tip</title>
	<author>wizbit</author>
	<datestamp>1244366940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandrake, have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandrake , have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandrake, have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238643</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28245001</id>
	<title>Re:First Impressions</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1244375880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I expect the Pre (my iPhone certainly does) makes phone calls with no delay.  Any noticeable delay is when the phone is doing something smart phone-ish, ie, something a non smart phone can't do at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I expect the Pre ( my iPhone certainly does ) makes phone calls with no delay .
Any noticeable delay is when the phone is doing something smart phone-ish , ie , something a non smart phone ca n't do at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I expect the Pre (my iPhone certainly does) makes phone calls with no delay.
Any noticeable delay is when the phone is doing something smart phone-ish, ie, something a non smart phone can't do at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239997</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240237</id>
	<title>La la la ...</title>
	<author>cheesecake23</author>
	<datestamp>1244374620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&lt;holds ears&gt;<br>I really don't want to know why these Pre-verts need their phones to be one-hand friendly.<br>&lt;/holds ears&gt; (with both hands)<br> <br>That said, just out of curiosity: how does one perform a thumb-drive?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't want to know why these Pre-verts need their phones to be one-hand friendly .
( with both hands ) That said , just out of curiosity : how does one perform a thumb-drive ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't want to know why these Pre-verts need their phones to be one-hand friendly.
(with both hands) That said, just out of curiosity: how does one perform a thumb-drive?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28241057</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244387160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Palm has always been a workhorse for me. I have a Zire. Although it has a crappy screen, it easily handles all of my business needs. I use it daily to help keep my life organized. I have heard that the calendar application on the Pre is dumbed down and doesn't do categories, etc. If true, I will be forced to continue using my Zire. I don't need a glorified web browsing toy. I, and I'm sure many others, need a device that can meet demanding business needs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Palm has always been a workhorse for me .
I have a Zire .
Although it has a crappy screen , it easily handles all of my business needs .
I use it daily to help keep my life organized .
I have heard that the calendar application on the Pre is dumbed down and does n't do categories , etc .
If true , I will be forced to continue using my Zire .
I do n't need a glorified web browsing toy .
I , and I 'm sure many others , need a device that can meet demanding business needs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Palm has always been a workhorse for me.
I have a Zire.
Although it has a crappy screen, it easily handles all of my business needs.
I use it daily to help keep my life organized.
I have heard that the calendar application on the Pre is dumbed down and doesn't do categories, etc.
If true, I will be forced to continue using my Zire.
I don't need a glorified web browsing toy.
I, and I'm sure many others, need a device that can meet demanding business needs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240549</id>
	<title>Re:Did anyone go to a store...</title>
	<author>Stevecrox</author>
	<datestamp>1244379960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It uses the webkit engine to load pages, I have no idea about the Pre but the Nokia 5800 which also uses webkit loads the iPhone facebook page marginally better than the iPhone does.<br> <br>
From what I personnally can tell the only real difference between the Nokia 5800 browser and the iPhone Safari one is the cool zooming thing you can do with your fingers on the iPhone (its a menu option for the 5800). When you consider the Pre is supposed to be heavily web app based I wouldn't be surprised if the expearence was the same.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It uses the webkit engine to load pages , I have no idea about the Pre but the Nokia 5800 which also uses webkit loads the iPhone facebook page marginally better than the iPhone does .
From what I personnally can tell the only real difference between the Nokia 5800 browser and the iPhone Safari one is the cool zooming thing you can do with your fingers on the iPhone ( its a menu option for the 5800 ) .
When you consider the Pre is supposed to be heavily web app based I would n't be surprised if the expearence was the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It uses the webkit engine to load pages, I have no idea about the Pre but the Nokia 5800 which also uses webkit loads the iPhone facebook page marginally better than the iPhone does.
From what I personnally can tell the only real difference between the Nokia 5800 browser and the iPhone Safari one is the cool zooming thing you can do with your fingers on the iPhone (its a menu option for the 5800).
When you consider the Pre is supposed to be heavily web app based I wouldn't be surprised if the expearence was the same.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238741</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28246869</id>
	<title>Not everyone cares about apple...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244393280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hate to say it, but not everyone likes the iPhone. I've had two chances out of contract to buy one, but stuck with other devices (that were both windows mobile) and bought a palm pre for a few reasons:<br>
- PIM Management/Business. The iphone lacks on multiple points...when my phone is the only device I have access to, I want to continue to be able to do work like normal. Also, the basic purpose of the iphone is consumer appeal, not practicality...apple seems to have not put any thought into using less gestures, better workflow, etc.<br>
- Lack of keyboard. I hate the iphone's soft keyboard, and could never get used to it, and will never buy another phone that hasn't have decent feedback.<br>
- Lack of multitasking. My windows mobile phones were basic, but it is important that I be able to switch back and forth between apps.<br>
- Popularity. While some people may disagree with this point, I am prejudiced against the iphone because it's apple and because it's popular. Just because a product is popular doesn't mean it's good...I'm not saying the iphone is bad, but it really doesn't match what I require out of a phone. I'm not about to buy a phone just because everyone else and their mother have one<br>
- If I want to play games, I would buy a gaming device like a psp or a ds and carry it with me. <br>
- Non-replaceable battery. Really? The first thing in a phone to fail is almost always a battery. Plus I typically have two per phone for long days traveling. Not to mention their battery life sucks in the first place<br> <br>

Frankly, I don't care about apple's announcement because their goals with the iphone and my goals in seeking a phone are almost an instant clash. I'm not really impressed with their phone on a technical/business point of view. But for my mom and nieces, it's a great fit!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate to say it , but not everyone likes the iPhone .
I 've had two chances out of contract to buy one , but stuck with other devices ( that were both windows mobile ) and bought a palm pre for a few reasons : - PIM Management/Business .
The iphone lacks on multiple points...when my phone is the only device I have access to , I want to continue to be able to do work like normal .
Also , the basic purpose of the iphone is consumer appeal , not practicality...apple seems to have not put any thought into using less gestures , better workflow , etc .
- Lack of keyboard .
I hate the iphone 's soft keyboard , and could never get used to it , and will never buy another phone that has n't have decent feedback .
- Lack of multitasking .
My windows mobile phones were basic , but it is important that I be able to switch back and forth between apps .
- Popularity .
While some people may disagree with this point , I am prejudiced against the iphone because it 's apple and because it 's popular .
Just because a product is popular does n't mean it 's good...I 'm not saying the iphone is bad , but it really does n't match what I require out of a phone .
I 'm not about to buy a phone just because everyone else and their mother have one - If I want to play games , I would buy a gaming device like a psp or a ds and carry it with me .
- Non-replaceable battery .
Really ? The first thing in a phone to fail is almost always a battery .
Plus I typically have two per phone for long days traveling .
Not to mention their battery life sucks in the first place Frankly , I do n't care about apple 's announcement because their goals with the iphone and my goals in seeking a phone are almost an instant clash .
I 'm not really impressed with their phone on a technical/business point of view .
But for my mom and nieces , it 's a great fit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate to say it, but not everyone likes the iPhone.
I've had two chances out of contract to buy one, but stuck with other devices (that were both windows mobile) and bought a palm pre for a few reasons:
- PIM Management/Business.
The iphone lacks on multiple points...when my phone is the only device I have access to, I want to continue to be able to do work like normal.
Also, the basic purpose of the iphone is consumer appeal, not practicality...apple seems to have not put any thought into using less gestures, better workflow, etc.
- Lack of keyboard.
I hate the iphone's soft keyboard, and could never get used to it, and will never buy another phone that hasn't have decent feedback.
- Lack of multitasking.
My windows mobile phones were basic, but it is important that I be able to switch back and forth between apps.
- Popularity.
While some people may disagree with this point, I am prejudiced against the iphone because it's apple and because it's popular.
Just because a product is popular doesn't mean it's good...I'm not saying the iphone is bad, but it really doesn't match what I require out of a phone.
I'm not about to buy a phone just because everyone else and their mother have one
- If I want to play games, I would buy a gaming device like a psp or a ds and carry it with me.
- Non-replaceable battery.
Really? The first thing in a phone to fail is almost always a battery.
Plus I typically have two per phone for long days traveling.
Not to mention their battery life sucks in the first place 

Frankly, I don't care about apple's announcement because their goals with the iphone and my goals in seeking a phone are almost an instant clash.
I'm not really impressed with their phone on a technical/business point of view.
But for my mom and nieces, it's a great fit!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239835</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239307</id>
	<title>Re:Did anyone go to a store...</title>
	<author>Planesdragon</author>
	<datestamp>1244313120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>google saw and recognized my Pre as mobile.  I got the same page I got wtih my TX.</p><p>the NY times showed me its default start page.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>google saw and recognized my Pre as mobile .
I got the same page I got wtih my TX.the NY times showed me its default start page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>google saw and recognized my Pre as mobile.
I got the same page I got wtih my TX.the NY times showed me its default start page.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238741</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238883</id>
	<title>New! For your Palm</title>
	<author>gringofrijolero</author>
	<datestamp>1244306760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Trojans2Go</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Trojans2Go</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trojans2Go</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28242189</id>
	<title>About the screen</title>
	<author>ddgconsultant</author>
	<datestamp>1244397540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I'm holding back on purchasing one for about the next week or so -- based on Apple's announcements on Monday.  -- But I did get to hold a Pre in my hand at the Sprint store -- I have to tell you that the crispness of the screen is incredible -- at first I thought it was a "stupid plastic sample" of the phone with a "photo sticker" representing the screen -- and then the image moved.  AMAZING! -- my very next thought was<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... wow -- there are a lot of fingerprints on this screen and can the screen be scratched??</p><p>Does anyone know what the screen/glass is made of?  I know Movado utilizes a sapphire crystal for their watch faces which are truly scratch resistant.  I suspect that that beautiful Pre screen image would be considerably disappointing with a big ol' scratch in it.  Supposedly iPhone uses a synthetic sapphire crystal on it's screen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I 'm holding back on purchasing one for about the next week or so -- based on Apple 's announcements on Monday .
-- But I did get to hold a Pre in my hand at the Sprint store -- I have to tell you that the crispness of the screen is incredible -- at first I thought it was a " stupid plastic sample " of the phone with a " photo sticker " representing the screen -- and then the image moved .
AMAZING ! -- my very next thought was ... wow -- there are a lot of fingerprints on this screen and can the screen be scratched ?
? Does anyone know what the screen/glass is made of ?
I know Movado utilizes a sapphire crystal for their watch faces which are truly scratch resistant .
I suspect that that beautiful Pre screen image would be considerably disappointing with a big ol ' scratch in it .
Supposedly iPhone uses a synthetic sapphire crystal on it 's screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I'm holding back on purchasing one for about the next week or so -- based on Apple's announcements on Monday.
-- But I did get to hold a Pre in my hand at the Sprint store -- I have to tell you that the crispness of the screen is incredible -- at first I thought it was a "stupid plastic sample" of the phone with a "photo sticker" representing the screen -- and then the image moved.
AMAZING! -- my very next thought was ... wow -- there are a lot of fingerprints on this screen and can the screen be scratched?
?Does anyone know what the screen/glass is made of?
I know Movado utilizes a sapphire crystal for their watch faces which are truly scratch resistant.
I suspect that that beautiful Pre screen image would be considerably disappointing with a big ol' scratch in it.
Supposedly iPhone uses a synthetic sapphire crystal on it's screen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238901</id>
	<title>Re:Submitter Quality Control</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1244307000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Until somebody turns "of" into a verb. But then it will mean something different anyway.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:o)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Until somebody turns " of " into a verb .
But then it will mean something different anyway .
: o )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until somebody turns "of" into a verb.
But then it will mean something different anyway.
:o)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238833</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240665</id>
	<title>Re:Fedora 8?</title>
	<author>MickyTheIdiot</author>
	<datestamp>1244381400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>screw that... what about Windows ME?  My boss refuses to upgrade he OS but I'm sure he'll be buying a Pre any day now and expecting a perfect sync.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>screw that... what about Windows ME ?
My boss refuses to upgrade he OS but I 'm sure he 'll be buying a Pre any day now and expecting a perfect sync .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>screw that... what about Windows ME?
My boss refuses to upgrade he OS but I'm sure he'll be buying a Pre any day now and expecting a perfect sync.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238639</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239223</id>
	<title>Re:Holding out for the underdog</title>
	<author>i.of.the.storm</author>
	<datestamp>1244311680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Palm Pre is coming to other carriers though. I think  Sprint has 6 month exclusivity, but Verizon announced that it's getting the Pre so I assume around December or January Verizon will get it. And I seem to recall something about AT&amp;T getting the Pre too, but I might be wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Palm Pre is coming to other carriers though .
I think Sprint has 6 month exclusivity , but Verizon announced that it 's getting the Pre so I assume around December or January Verizon will get it .
And I seem to recall something about AT&amp;T getting the Pre too , but I might be wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Palm Pre is coming to other carriers though.
I think  Sprint has 6 month exclusivity, but Verizon announced that it's getting the Pre so I assume around December or January Verizon will get it.
And I seem to recall something about AT&amp;T getting the Pre too, but I might be wrong.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240465</id>
	<title>Re:Did anyone go to a store...</title>
	<author>Felix Da Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1244378460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's brilliant that they included a survival knife in with the phone.  That's innovation!</p><p>I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear about Apple signing a deal with Victorinox for their next phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's brilliant that they included a survival knife in with the phone .
That 's innovation ! I would n't be at all surprised to hear about Apple signing a deal with Victorinox for their next phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's brilliant that they included a survival knife in with the phone.
That's innovation!I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear about Apple signing a deal with Victorinox for their next phone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28240197</id>
	<title>Why would You Buy a Pre NOW?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244373660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't understand why anyone would buy a Pre today. With the new iPhone just around the corner (~30 days or less) I would hold off and see just what the iPhone 3.0 has in store, make my comparisons and then decide. Unless of course I've already made up my mind that I'm buying a Palm-anything and it makes no difference what else is out there. And people making comparisons between the Pre and the current iPhone -- I'd think this is a close enough race that the fair comparison would be to the new iPhone. Oh well, in 30 days that will be the case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand why anyone would buy a Pre today .
With the new iPhone just around the corner ( ~ 30 days or less ) I would hold off and see just what the iPhone 3.0 has in store , make my comparisons and then decide .
Unless of course I 've already made up my mind that I 'm buying a Palm-anything and it makes no difference what else is out there .
And people making comparisons between the Pre and the current iPhone -- I 'd think this is a close enough race that the fair comparison would be to the new iPhone .
Oh well , in 30 days that will be the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand why anyone would buy a Pre today.
With the new iPhone just around the corner (~30 days or less) I would hold off and see just what the iPhone 3.0 has in store, make my comparisons and then decide.
Unless of course I've already made up my mind that I'm buying a Palm-anything and it makes no difference what else is out there.
And people making comparisons between the Pre and the current iPhone -- I'd think this is a close enough race that the fair comparison would be to the new iPhone.
Oh well, in 30 days that will be the case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28239237</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-Tip</title>
	<author>lenroc</author>
	<datestamp>1244311920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pro-Tip: For mass market appeal, don't call your fans Pre-verts.</p></div><p>That's right, they prefer to be called Pre-ve<b>c</b>ts!</p><p>Hmm... Too obscure?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pro-Tip : For mass market appeal , do n't call your fans Pre-verts.That 's right , they prefer to be called Pre-vects ! Hmm... Too obscure ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pro-Tip: For mass market appeal, don't call your fans Pre-verts.That's right, they prefer to be called Pre-vects!Hmm... Too obscure?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28238643</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0152215.28241023</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone have words about the browsing</title>
	<author>Tubal-Cain</author>
	<datestamp>1244386860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Tested the web-browsing before I bought one....</p></div><p>And now that you have it: how's the Linux compatibility?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tested the web-browsing before I bought one....And now that you have it : how 's the Linux compatibility ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tested the web-browsing before I bought one....And now that you have it: how's the Linux compatibility?
	</sentencetext>
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