<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_06_1153217</id>
	<title>Ballmer Threatens To Pull Out of the US</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1244294280000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:theodp@aol.com" rel="nofollow">theodp</a> writes <i>"Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aAKluP7yIwJY">threatening to move Microsoft employees offshore</a> if Congress enacts President Obama's plans to <a href="//news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/04/2031252&amp;tid=103">curb tax avoidance</a> by US corporations. 'It makes US jobs more expensive,' complained billionaire Ballmer. 'We're better off taking lots of people and moving them out of the US as opposed to keeping them inside the US.' According to 2006 reports, Microsoft transferred $16 billion in assets to secretive Dublin subsidiaries to shave billions off its US tax bill. 'Corporate tax is part of the overall advantage of doing business in Ireland,' <a href="http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single5503">acknowledged Ballmer</a> in 2005. 'It would be disingenuous to say otherwise.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>theodp writes " Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is threatening to move Microsoft employees offshore if Congress enacts President Obama 's plans to curb tax avoidance by US corporations .
'It makes US jobs more expensive, ' complained billionaire Ballmer .
'We 're better off taking lots of people and moving them out of the US as opposed to keeping them inside the US .
' According to 2006 reports , Microsoft transferred $ 16 billion in assets to secretive Dublin subsidiaries to shave billions off its US tax bill .
'Corporate tax is part of the overall advantage of doing business in Ireland, ' acknowledged Ballmer in 2005 .
'It would be disingenuous to say otherwise .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>theodp writes "Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is threatening to move Microsoft employees offshore if Congress enacts President Obama's plans to curb tax avoidance by US corporations.
'It makes US jobs more expensive,' complained billionaire Ballmer.
'We're better off taking lots of people and moving them out of the US as opposed to keeping them inside the US.
' According to 2006 reports, Microsoft transferred $16 billion in assets to secretive Dublin subsidiaries to shave billions off its US tax bill.
'Corporate tax is part of the overall advantage of doing business in Ireland,' acknowledged Ballmer in 2005.
'It would be disingenuous to say otherwise.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236109</id>
	<title>Re:And as a reward...</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1244280540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>&gt; The Administration should VERY publicly call them out and recommend<br>&gt; government offices immediately develop a schedule for converting as<br>&gt; much of the IT infrastructure as possible away from MS software.</p><p>Way to completely miss the point. If you think MS is the only one thinking of moving operations out of the US if this passes, you're living in a fantasy land.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The Administration should VERY publicly call them out and recommend &gt; government offices immediately develop a schedule for converting as &gt; much of the IT infrastructure as possible away from MS software.Way to completely miss the point .
If you think MS is the only one thinking of moving operations out of the US if this passes , you 're living in a fantasy land .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The Administration should VERY publicly call them out and recommend&gt; government offices immediately develop a schedule for converting as&gt; much of the IT infrastructure as possible away from MS software.Way to completely miss the point.
If you think MS is the only one thinking of moving operations out of the US if this passes, you're living in a fantasy land.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232571</id>
	<title>Re:And as a reward...</title>
	<author>sesshomaru</author>
	<datestamp>1244300820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <em><br>The current administration is much less submissive to corporate political desires.<br></em></p></div></blockquote><p>I haven't seen any evidence of this.  Yes, the current administration favors the FIRE (Finance, Insurance and Real Estate) sector over manufacturing.  Indeed Obama favors FIRE over all other businesses, so I'm guessing he's looking for a do nothing job at one of the big funds after his term as president is up. (It's the only thing that makes sense, since what's good for Goldman Sachs, currently, is what is bad for America.)</p><p>However, favoring one group of corporations over another group of corporations is not being "less submissive to corporate political desires."</p><p>I'm actually expecting Obama to roll over on the overseas tax havens, but perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised.</p><p>Still, he's not as bad as Arnold.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The current administration is much less submissive to corporate political desires.I have n't seen any evidence of this .
Yes , the current administration favors the FIRE ( Finance , Insurance and Real Estate ) sector over manufacturing .
Indeed Obama favors FIRE over all other businesses , so I 'm guessing he 's looking for a do nothing job at one of the big funds after his term as president is up .
( It 's the only thing that makes sense , since what 's good for Goldman Sachs , currently , is what is bad for America .
) However , favoring one group of corporations over another group of corporations is not being " less submissive to corporate political desires .
" I 'm actually expecting Obama to roll over on the overseas tax havens , but perhaps I 'll be pleasantly surprised.Still , he 's not as bad as Arnold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The current administration is much less submissive to corporate political desires.I haven't seen any evidence of this.
Yes, the current administration favors the FIRE (Finance, Insurance and Real Estate) sector over manufacturing.
Indeed Obama favors FIRE over all other businesses, so I'm guessing he's looking for a do nothing job at one of the big funds after his term as president is up.
(It's the only thing that makes sense, since what's good for Goldman Sachs, currently, is what is bad for America.
)However, favoring one group of corporations over another group of corporations is not being "less submissive to corporate political desires.
"I'm actually expecting Obama to roll over on the overseas tax havens, but perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised.Still, he's not as bad as Arnold.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233063</id>
	<title>Ballmer speaks for many</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/the-tax-move-that-makes-google-rich/2009/05/27/1243456658563.html" title="smh.com.au" rel="nofollow">Google</a> [smh.com.au] and <a href="http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2006/07/17/apple-does-a-microsoft-and-goes-for-secrecy-in-ireland/" title="taxresearch.org.uk" rel="nofollow">Apple</a> [taxresearch.org.uk] also make use of Ireland to avoid paying taxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google [ smh.com.au ] and Apple [ taxresearch.org.uk ] also make use of Ireland to avoid paying taxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google [smh.com.au] and Apple [taxresearch.org.uk] also make use of Ireland to avoid paying taxes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235459</id>
	<title>This is exactly why liberalism is stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244319840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to go all Ayn Rand or anything, but this is exactly why tax-and-spend policies are stupid.  Taxing the rich is not the panacea that liberals like to think it is.  Tax the rich, lose the rich.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to go all Ayn Rand or anything , but this is exactly why tax-and-spend policies are stupid .
Taxing the rich is not the panacea that liberals like to think it is .
Tax the rich , lose the rich .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to go all Ayn Rand or anything, but this is exactly why tax-and-spend policies are stupid.
Taxing the rich is not the panacea that liberals like to think it is.
Tax the rich, lose the rich.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233791</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244308260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>There is no government ! There is only corporate ambition and puppets who satisfy that ambition to reach the status quo to which they believe they are entitled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no government !
There is only corporate ambition and puppets who satisfy that ambition to reach the status quo to which they believe they are entitled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no government !
There is only corporate ambition and puppets who satisfy that ambition to reach the status quo to which they believe they are entitled.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233871</id>
	<title>ballmer, I'll call your bluff</title>
	<author>TheGratefulNet</author>
	<datestamp>1244308800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am promising right here to pay directly to MS corp, $20,000 US dollars, cash, if they move OFF US soil entirely.</p><p>I'm calling your bluff.  since I know you're a hothead asshole with a lot of talk but no real balls behind your moves.</p><p>put up or shut up.  I'd LOVE to see you fuck your own company up.  I'd PAY to help.</p><p>I'm in.  are you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am promising right here to pay directly to MS corp , $ 20,000 US dollars , cash , if they move OFF US soil entirely.I 'm calling your bluff .
since I know you 're a hothead asshole with a lot of talk but no real balls behind your moves.put up or shut up .
I 'd LOVE to see you fuck your own company up .
I 'd PAY to help.I 'm in .
are you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am promising right here to pay directly to MS corp, $20,000 US dollars, cash, if they move OFF US soil entirely.I'm calling your bluff.
since I know you're a hothead asshole with a lot of talk but no real balls behind your moves.put up or shut up.
I'd LOVE to see you fuck your own company up.
I'd PAY to help.I'm in.
are you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232275</id>
	<title>No Surprise</title>
	<author>Khan</author>
	<datestamp>1244298600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Greed.....just as old as prostitution, war and slavery.</p><p>Personally, I'm surprised MS hasn't moved out already. Not to mention plenty of other greedy corporations like the one that I work for. More and more, I'm beginning to think that it's time to get out of IT. The "bottom line" is all these fuckers truly care about. All I know is that karma will eventually catch up to them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Greed.....just as old as prostitution , war and slavery.Personally , I 'm surprised MS has n't moved out already .
Not to mention plenty of other greedy corporations like the one that I work for .
More and more , I 'm beginning to think that it 's time to get out of IT .
The " bottom line " is all these fuckers truly care about .
All I know is that karma will eventually catch up to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Greed.....just as old as prostitution, war and slavery.Personally, I'm surprised MS hasn't moved out already.
Not to mention plenty of other greedy corporations like the one that I work for.
More and more, I'm beginning to think that it's time to get out of IT.
The "bottom line" is all these fuckers truly care about.
All I know is that karma will eventually catch up to them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233157</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a consumer in the usual sense of the word. But I'll never be Microsoft's customer.</p><p>HUEG difference.</p><p>(Kudos to the 'individuals don't pay taxes' comment. Made me giggle wildly.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a consumer in the usual sense of the word .
But I 'll never be Microsoft 's customer.HUEG difference .
( Kudos to the 'individuals do n't pay taxes ' comment .
Made me giggle wildly .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a consumer in the usual sense of the word.
But I'll never be Microsoft's customer.HUEG difference.
(Kudos to the 'individuals don't pay taxes' comment.
Made me giggle wildly.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234089</id>
	<title>Empty threat</title>
	<author>slack\_justyb</author>
	<datestamp>1244310360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know every country in the world would love to get 10\% of what Microsoft pays in taxes right now, but they'd be doing with the risk that Microsoft would just swindle them more-so than the US.  I don't know much about business but I do know from working with them for six months.  The IRS is a really gung-ho type group when it comes to collecting taxes, I know M$ would run over any other country's tax collection agency, except maybe Russia's.
<br> <br>
With that knowledge I think a country knows they'd have more trouble than it's worth with Microsoft.  But, every (big) company in America does this**, not just Microsoft, and they're all saying the same thing.  I attribute this as a withdrawal symptom for American companies, but I blame our congress (not the current one) for even starting this from the get-go.
<br>
<b>--------</b> <br>
**I know that's a pretty subjective statement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know every country in the world would love to get 10 \ % of what Microsoft pays in taxes right now , but they 'd be doing with the risk that Microsoft would just swindle them more-so than the US .
I do n't know much about business but I do know from working with them for six months .
The IRS is a really gung-ho type group when it comes to collecting taxes , I know M $ would run over any other country 's tax collection agency , except maybe Russia 's .
With that knowledge I think a country knows they 'd have more trouble than it 's worth with Microsoft .
But , every ( big ) company in America does this * * , not just Microsoft , and they 're all saying the same thing .
I attribute this as a withdrawal symptom for American companies , but I blame our congress ( not the current one ) for even starting this from the get-go .
-------- * * I know that 's a pretty subjective statement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know every country in the world would love to get 10\% of what Microsoft pays in taxes right now, but they'd be doing with the risk that Microsoft would just swindle them more-so than the US.
I don't know much about business but I do know from working with them for six months.
The IRS is a really gung-ho type group when it comes to collecting taxes, I know M$ would run over any other country's tax collection agency, except maybe Russia's.
With that knowledge I think a country knows they'd have more trouble than it's worth with Microsoft.
But, every (big) company in America does this**, not just Microsoft, and they're all saying the same thing.
I attribute this as a withdrawal symptom for American companies, but I blame our congress (not the current one) for even starting this from the get-go.
-------- 
**I know that's a pretty subjective statement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233125</id>
	<title>Re:Like Delaware</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1244304420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not really, businesses make those sorts of claims because the ignorant buy into them.<br> <br>

Cost of doing business is only really one third of it. The other two thirds is what you get for the cost and regulatory constraints.<br> <br>

Which is why China still lags the US in terms of manufacturing out put. Sure they charge less to do business, but the regulations are a mess and the quality tends to be shit. On top of that the costs are going to go way up when the Chinese government allows employees to keep more of their wages.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really , businesses make those sorts of claims because the ignorant buy into them .
Cost of doing business is only really one third of it .
The other two thirds is what you get for the cost and regulatory constraints .
Which is why China still lags the US in terms of manufacturing out put .
Sure they charge less to do business , but the regulations are a mess and the quality tends to be shit .
On top of that the costs are going to go way up when the Chinese government allows employees to keep more of their wages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really, businesses make those sorts of claims because the ignorant buy into them.
Cost of doing business is only really one third of it.
The other two thirds is what you get for the cost and regulatory constraints.
Which is why China still lags the US in terms of manufacturing out put.
Sure they charge less to do business, but the regulations are a mess and the quality tends to be shit.
On top of that the costs are going to go way up when the Chinese government allows employees to keep more of their wages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237885</id>
	<title>Drown me, skin me, snatch out my eyeballs...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244296080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just please, mister fox, don't throw me into that briar patch!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just please , mister fox , do n't throw me into that briar patch !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just please, mister fox, don't throw me into that briar patch!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236073</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1244280300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Um. No. Consumers ultimately pay all taxes. There is no such thing as a corporation except on paper. That tax you "pass back" to your company ends up increasing prices for services and goods your company produces, which eventually get consumed by... consumers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um .
No. Consumers ultimately pay all taxes .
There is no such thing as a corporation except on paper .
That tax you " pass back " to your company ends up increasing prices for services and goods your company produces , which eventually get consumed by... consumers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um.
No. Consumers ultimately pay all taxes.
There is no such thing as a corporation except on paper.
That tax you "pass back" to your company ends up increasing prices for services and goods your company produces, which eventually get consumed by... consumers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233683</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>electrosoccertux</author>
	<datestamp>1244307600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Individuals don't pay tax.  Not really.  We pass that tax to our employers by charging higher salaries.</p></div><p>This is exactly the point, It simply makes everything about doing business more expensive-- if the salaries were lower, the business could employ more people, or have higher profits, so that they don't have to lay off as many people come recession time.</p><p>Meanwhile the government takes more and more money and produces more and more paperwork (a lot of the time. At least when they're spending it on the military, billions are spent on R&amp;D for rapid prototyping and the likes).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Individuals do n't pay tax .
Not really .
We pass that tax to our employers by charging higher salaries.This is exactly the point , It simply makes everything about doing business more expensive-- if the salaries were lower , the business could employ more people , or have higher profits , so that they do n't have to lay off as many people come recession time.Meanwhile the government takes more and more money and produces more and more paperwork ( a lot of the time .
At least when they 're spending it on the military , billions are spent on R&amp;D for rapid prototyping and the likes ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Individuals don't pay tax.
Not really.
We pass that tax to our employers by charging higher salaries.This is exactly the point, It simply makes everything about doing business more expensive-- if the salaries were lower, the business could employ more people, or have higher profits, so that they don't have to lay off as many people come recession time.Meanwhile the government takes more and more money and produces more and more paperwork (a lot of the time.
At least when they're spending it on the military, billions are spent on R&amp;D for rapid prototyping and the likes).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233553</id>
	<title>Good Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244306820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see how this whole financial thing works now.  Microsoft moves offshore.  The US government makes it impossible for MS to do business in the US.  Everyone I know migrates to an open source operating system and life is better.  One problem with this.  I tried Ubuntu recently.  It was a fun experience but I'd rather slam my head in a door than go through the trouble of using "that" machine on a daily basis.  I have some computer skills...more than most people I know so I'm sure these people will love converting over to a $1000 Mac instead of the $400 Windows machine they currently have.  Yep, the regular Joe Six Pack will be happy seeing MS leave.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see how this whole financial thing works now .
Microsoft moves offshore .
The US government makes it impossible for MS to do business in the US .
Everyone I know migrates to an open source operating system and life is better .
One problem with this .
I tried Ubuntu recently .
It was a fun experience but I 'd rather slam my head in a door than go through the trouble of using " that " machine on a daily basis .
I have some computer skills...more than most people I know so I 'm sure these people will love converting over to a $ 1000 Mac instead of the $ 400 Windows machine they currently have .
Yep , the regular Joe Six Pack will be happy seeing MS leave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see how this whole financial thing works now.
Microsoft moves offshore.
The US government makes it impossible for MS to do business in the US.
Everyone I know migrates to an open source operating system and life is better.
One problem with this.
I tried Ubuntu recently.
It was a fun experience but I'd rather slam my head in a door than go through the trouble of using "that" machine on a daily basis.
I have some computer skills...more than most people I know so I'm sure these people will love converting over to a $1000 Mac instead of the $400 Windows machine they currently have.
Yep, the regular Joe Six Pack will be happy seeing MS leave.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234189</id>
	<title>Good, move the jobs</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1244311320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, it'll suck for some people short term.  But long term it'll suck more for Microsoft.</p><p>The rest of the world already is moving away from MS as quickly as they can.  Its a slow process but its happening.  America is not moving away at all, its one of 'our' companies that 'we support' and all that bullshit.  So go ahead, move the jobs elsewhere, take away the home team support from your largest most profitable target market.</p><p>Go ahead and piss off the people who account for the majority of your income so that you can get cheaper taxes, see how useful that turns out to be in the long term dipshit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , it 'll suck for some people short term .
But long term it 'll suck more for Microsoft.The rest of the world already is moving away from MS as quickly as they can .
Its a slow process but its happening .
America is not moving away at all , its one of 'our ' companies that 'we support ' and all that bullshit .
So go ahead , move the jobs elsewhere , take away the home team support from your largest most profitable target market.Go ahead and piss off the people who account for the majority of your income so that you can get cheaper taxes , see how useful that turns out to be in the long term dipshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, it'll suck for some people short term.
But long term it'll suck more for Microsoft.The rest of the world already is moving away from MS as quickly as they can.
Its a slow process but its happening.
America is not moving away at all, its one of 'our' companies that 'we support' and all that bullshit.
So go ahead, move the jobs elsewhere, take away the home team support from your largest most profitable target market.Go ahead and piss off the people who account for the majority of your income so that you can get cheaper taxes, see how useful that turns out to be in the long term dipshit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28240045</id>
	<title>Pull out of the US, go ahead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244370600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft can threaten to pull out of the US.  Its their prerogative.  The US government would loose billions in tax revenue.  On the other hand, the US government can stop using their products completely, and order contractors that they may not use microsofts products for bids or contracts either.  HELLO!  I believe microsoft would loose many billions more, than the US government.  But being a Linux'en kinda guy, my word to Ballmer is this:  go ahead, move everything to Ireland!  Lets see if the US government can bend over and be microsofts bitch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft can threaten to pull out of the US .
Its their prerogative .
The US government would loose billions in tax revenue .
On the other hand , the US government can stop using their products completely , and order contractors that they may not use microsofts products for bids or contracts either .
HELLO ! I believe microsoft would loose many billions more , than the US government .
But being a Linux'en kinda guy , my word to Ballmer is this : go ahead , move everything to Ireland !
Lets see if the US government can bend over and be microsofts bitch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft can threaten to pull out of the US.
Its their prerogative.
The US government would loose billions in tax revenue.
On the other hand, the US government can stop using their products completely, and order contractors that they may not use microsofts products for bids or contracts either.
HELLO!  I believe microsoft would loose many billions more, than the US government.
But being a Linux'en kinda guy, my word to Ballmer is this:  go ahead, move everything to Ireland!
Lets see if the US government can bend over and be microsofts bitch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234203</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244311380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The previous post is funny, but I don't know if strong protection from government (aka law enforcement) necessarily exists in Somalia.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The previous post is funny , but I do n't know if strong protection from government ( aka law enforcement ) necessarily exists in Somalia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The previous post is funny, but I don't know if strong protection from government (aka law enforcement) necessarily exists in Somalia.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233007</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232785</id>
	<title>Re:Like Delaware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244302140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If anyone is wondering why workers in other countries work for "less", and why American salaries are so high. Ask yourself, why are Americans' salaries so much higher? The answer, (aside from wage controls), is inflation. Who caused the inflation? Answer: your government. A nice little vicious circle. Another unintended consequence of centrally planning our economy over the last 100 years<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If anyone is wondering why workers in other countries work for " less " , and why American salaries are so high .
Ask yourself , why are Americans ' salaries so much higher ?
The answer , ( aside from wage controls ) , is inflation .
Who caused the inflation ?
Answer : your government .
A nice little vicious circle .
Another unintended consequence of centrally planning our economy over the last 100 years : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anyone is wondering why workers in other countries work for "less", and why American salaries are so high.
Ask yourself, why are Americans' salaries so much higher?
The answer, (aside from wage controls), is inflation.
Who caused the inflation?
Answer: your government.
A nice little vicious circle.
Another unintended consequence of centrally planning our economy over the last 100 years :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232259</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233007</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>imperious\_rex</author>
	<datestamp>1244303880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>If there were a country with minimal tax, strong protection from the government, freedom to think and act - I know I would move there.</i> <br>
Better start packing then. This <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia" title="wikipedia.org">place</a> [wikipedia.org] is a Republican wet dream come true.  Minimal taxes, practically no government, and a free market economy! Check out their <a href="http://www.somali-gov.info/Tourism/index.html" title="somali-gov.info">site</a> [somali-gov.info] for tourists!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If there were a country with minimal tax , strong protection from the government , freedom to think and act - I know I would move there .
Better start packing then .
This place [ wikipedia.org ] is a Republican wet dream come true .
Minimal taxes , practically no government , and a free market economy !
Check out their site [ somali-gov.info ] for tourists !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there were a country with minimal tax, strong protection from the government, freedom to think and act - I know I would move there.
Better start packing then.
This place [wikipedia.org] is a Republican wet dream come true.
Minimal taxes, practically no government, and a free market economy!
Check out their site [somali-gov.info] for tourists!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233863</id>
	<title>good riddance</title>
	<author>speedtux</author>
	<datestamp>1244308740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft's workforce is tiny, Windows licensing is a huge drain on the economy, they keep importing foreign workers, and they are very good at avoiding taxes.  So, good riddance, the US economy would likely be better off without Microsoft.</p><p>Unfortunately, Ballmer knows full well that the regulatory climate in Europe is much less favorable to Microsoft than the US, so he won't follow through on his threat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft 's workforce is tiny , Windows licensing is a huge drain on the economy , they keep importing foreign workers , and they are very good at avoiding taxes .
So , good riddance , the US economy would likely be better off without Microsoft.Unfortunately , Ballmer knows full well that the regulatory climate in Europe is much less favorable to Microsoft than the US , so he wo n't follow through on his threat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft's workforce is tiny, Windows licensing is a huge drain on the economy, they keep importing foreign workers, and they are very good at avoiding taxes.
So, good riddance, the US economy would likely be better off without Microsoft.Unfortunately, Ballmer knows full well that the regulatory climate in Europe is much less favorable to Microsoft than the US, so he won't follow through on his threat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233733</id>
	<title>Re:No Surprise</title>
	<author>The\_Quinn</author>
	<datestamp>1244307960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Greed.....just as old as prostitution, war and slavery.</p></div><p>There is nothing wrong with wanting more than the bare minimum.  The vast majority of wealth around you, including most of the comforts in your own life, were created by people who wanted to make a lot of money by providing people values that raise our standard of living.</p><p>Greed coupled with a way of achieving it (i.e. an idea for 'the next big thing') is a great thing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Greed.....just as old as prostitution , war and slavery.There is nothing wrong with wanting more than the bare minimum .
The vast majority of wealth around you , including most of the comforts in your own life , were created by people who wanted to make a lot of money by providing people values that raise our standard of living.Greed coupled with a way of achieving it ( i.e .
an idea for 'the next big thing ' ) is a great thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Greed.....just as old as prostitution, war and slavery.There is nothing wrong with wanting more than the bare minimum.
The vast majority of wealth around you, including most of the comforts in your own life, were created by people who wanted to make a lot of money by providing people values that raise our standard of living.Greed coupled with a way of achieving it (i.e.
an idea for 'the next big thing') is a great thing.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232275</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234345</id>
	<title>Re:Then boycott MS</title>
	<author>BeanThere</author>
	<datestamp>1244312400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If anything had us doubting they maintain their position with criminal means</p></div><p>Oh please - Microsoft have pulled a lot of dodgy bullshit over the years, but spreading stupid lies by claiming this is illegal is just going to make us MS critics look stupid<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... stick to criticising them for legitimate things, there is more than enough fodder for that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If anything had us doubting they maintain their position with criminal meansOh please - Microsoft have pulled a lot of dodgy bullshit over the years , but spreading stupid lies by claiming this is illegal is just going to make us MS critics look stupid ... stick to criticising them for legitimate things , there is more than enough fodder for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anything had us doubting they maintain their position with criminal meansOh please - Microsoft have pulled a lot of dodgy bullshit over the years, but spreading stupid lies by claiming this is illegal is just going to make us MS critics look stupid ... stick to criticising them for legitimate things, there is more than enough fodder for that.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232241</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28239981</id>
	<title>Re:Don't let the door hit you on the ass</title>
	<author>RightSaidFred99</author>
	<datestamp>1244369340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're stupid.</p><p>He's not saying they're going to stop selling to the US, or even stop having MS sites in the US.  He's saying more and more US jobs will move overseas, and they will find "other" ways to remain profitable.  Most of these other ways will not be conducive to the US economy, but then neither will pretty much anything else that douchy tool Obama is doing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're stupid.He 's not saying they 're going to stop selling to the US , or even stop having MS sites in the US .
He 's saying more and more US jobs will move overseas , and they will find " other " ways to remain profitable .
Most of these other ways will not be conducive to the US economy , but then neither will pretty much anything else that douchy tool Obama is doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're stupid.He's not saying they're going to stop selling to the US, or even stop having MS sites in the US.
He's saying more and more US jobs will move overseas, and they will find "other" ways to remain profitable.
Most of these other ways will not be conducive to the US economy, but then neither will pretty much anything else that douchy tool Obama is doing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232433</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28238457</id>
	<title>Unamerican!</title>
	<author>CuteSteveJobs</author>
	<datestamp>1244302020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That term is much used and abused, but with comments like that surely Ballmer qualifies for it.<br>
<br>
And if he wants to cut back Piracy, what could be more American that pirating the software of an Unamerican company?<br>
<br>
Cuba. Iran. North Korea. Microsoft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That term is much used and abused , but with comments like that surely Ballmer qualifies for it .
And if he wants to cut back Piracy , what could be more American that pirating the software of an Unamerican company ?
Cuba. Iran .
North Korea .
Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That term is much used and abused, but with comments like that surely Ballmer qualifies for it.
And if he wants to cut back Piracy, what could be more American that pirating the software of an Unamerican company?
Cuba. Iran.
North Korea.
Microsoft.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232547</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244300700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Companies don't pay for routers. Not really. They just pass those costs  to their customers. Ultimately, it is the consumer that pays for routers.</p><p>Statements like this are true, but irrelevant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Companies do n't pay for routers .
Not really .
They just pass those costs to their customers .
Ultimately , it is the consumer that pays for routers.Statements like this are true , but irrelevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Companies don't pay for routers.
Not really.
They just pass those costs  to their customers.
Ultimately, it is the consumer that pays for routers.Statements like this are true, but irrelevant.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232237</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232987</id>
	<title>Re:Not very bright...</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1244303700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Written by a true Anonymous Coward who doesn't pay his taxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Written by a true Anonymous Coward who does n't pay his taxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Written by a true Anonymous Coward who doesn't pay his taxes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232397</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232335</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244299200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One better. If MSFT pulls out of the USA they lose the influence they have with US patent law isn't the same as the EU, and the EU will kick MSFT to the curb several times over.</p><p>While they retain those patents in the USA, they are worthless in the EU.</p><p>So I say go MSFT and let the door hit you on the way out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One better .
If MSFT pulls out of the USA they lose the influence they have with US patent law is n't the same as the EU , and the EU will kick MSFT to the curb several times over.While they retain those patents in the USA , they are worthless in the EU.So I say go MSFT and let the door hit you on the way out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One better.
If MSFT pulls out of the USA they lose the influence they have with US patent law isn't the same as the EU, and the EU will kick MSFT to the curb several times over.While they retain those patents in the USA, they are worthless in the EU.So I say go MSFT and let the door hit you on the way out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232217</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234837</id>
	<title>close the loopholes, then discuss</title>
	<author>bugi</author>
	<datestamp>1244316540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about we close the loopholes, then have a real discussion about what the taxes should really be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about we close the loopholes , then have a real discussion about what the taxes should really be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about we close the loopholes, then have a real discussion about what the taxes should really be.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235017</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>Prof.Phreak</author>
	<datestamp>1244317500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, doesn't US military not allow the use of stuff manufactured by non-US corporations? (I remember hearing something about that years ago... not sure if it's true now). So if MS becomes a non-US corp, does that mean that whole branches of the government won't be allowed to use MS software?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , does n't US military not allow the use of stuff manufactured by non-US corporations ?
( I remember hearing something about that years ago... not sure if it 's true now ) .
So if MS becomes a non-US corp , does that mean that whole branches of the government wo n't be allowed to use MS software ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, doesn't US military not allow the use of stuff manufactured by non-US corporations?
(I remember hearing something about that years ago... not sure if it's true now).
So if MS becomes a non-US corp, does that mean that whole branches of the government won't be allowed to use MS software?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232217</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28238843</id>
	<title>"loophole"</title>
	<author>uarch</author>
	<datestamp>1244306340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since most people here seem to have forgotten....</p><p>A "tax loophole" is another term for "tax law."  If you don't like the law, change it instead of bitching and moaning when someone follows the law.</p><p>Every one of you use "tax loopholes" when you take tax deductions, shelter money away in retirement accounts, etc.  Using your logic, every one of you are "greedy bastards."</p><p>(Commence the -1's in 3... 2... 1...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since most people here seem to have forgotten....A " tax loophole " is another term for " tax law .
" If you do n't like the law , change it instead of bitching and moaning when someone follows the law.Every one of you use " tax loopholes " when you take tax deductions , shelter money away in retirement accounts , etc .
Using your logic , every one of you are " greedy bastards .
" ( Commence the -1 's in 3... 2... 1... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since most people here seem to have forgotten....A "tax loophole" is another term for "tax law.
"  If you don't like the law, change it instead of bitching and moaning when someone follows the law.Every one of you use "tax loopholes" when you take tax deductions, shelter money away in retirement accounts, etc.
Using your logic, every one of you are "greedy bastards.
"(Commence the -1's in 3... 2... 1...)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237253</id>
	<title>.dfdf</title>
	<author>screamphilling</author>
	<datestamp>1244290200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>as long as they don't cum all over the U.S. and superman that ho?</htmltext>
<tokenext>as long as they do n't cum all over the U.S. and superman that ho ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as long as they don't cum all over the U.S. and superman that ho?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232499</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>dcollins</author>
	<datestamp>1244300400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Corporations don't pay tax. Not really. They pass on that tax to their customers. Ultimately, it is the consumer that pays the tax."</p><p>I'm guessing that Steve Ballmer has thought about this a little more closely than you have.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Corporations do n't pay tax .
Not really .
They pass on that tax to their customers .
Ultimately , it is the consumer that pays the tax .
" I 'm guessing that Steve Ballmer has thought about this a little more closely than you have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Corporations don't pay tax.
Not really.
They pass on that tax to their customers.
Ultimately, it is the consumer that pays the tax.
"I'm guessing that Steve Ballmer has thought about this a little more closely than you have.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232237</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232423</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>Narpak</author>
	<datestamp>1244299800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If they go out of US, to who M$ will complain to prevent unlicensed use of Windows?</p></div><p>It's SO unfair that people pirate our products! We made those products and we deserve our cut damn it!<br>
It's SO unfair that we have to like obey our nations tax laws!<br>
Yeah lets go after those that break the laws we like and lets use all our lawyers and accountants to avoid the laws we don't like.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they go out of US , to who M $ will complain to prevent unlicensed use of Windows ? It 's SO unfair that people pirate our products !
We made those products and we deserve our cut damn it !
It 's SO unfair that we have to like obey our nations tax laws !
Yeah lets go after those that break the laws we like and lets use all our lawyers and accountants to avoid the laws we do n't like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they go out of US, to who M$ will complain to prevent unlicensed use of Windows?It's SO unfair that people pirate our products!
We made those products and we deserve our cut damn it!
It's SO unfair that we have to like obey our nations tax laws!
Yeah lets go after those that break the laws we like and lets use all our lawyers and accountants to avoid the laws we don't like.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232217</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237569</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>otopico</author>
	<datestamp>1244293320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A smart  country could also legalize child slavery and provide protection for anyone that wants to rape children. After all, all one needs do i legalize it. Think of the money that could be made! If we make sure our law are as permissive and helpful for business as possible, things will just be fine!</p><p>Law to regulate business in needed because when left to their own devices, say like banks or AIG, greed will always intrude. Law is there to protect everyone, regardless of if one side thinks they are being punished. Liberty isn't freedom, why don't you idiots see that. Liberty is the freedom to have certain things be yours to decide that the government isn't allowed to touch. There is another word for that idea, regulation. Heard of it? We used to have it here. There were these regulations that set what you were allowed to do and weren't allowed to do. Funny thing is, over time, people with more money than you were able to buy special rules, just for them. The day companies are required to play by the same rules as the rest of the country, that same day America will be back in line with what our founders suffered and died to form. But I don't think the 'American' people have that much strength. No, it would cost them too much, hell, they might have to pay their taxes!</p><p>Businesses should be allowed to share in the blessing and burdens of liberty, if it isn't worth the money, let them leave. Any country that would take them in would end up regretting it when they had to start asking for the company to contribute to that country. What then, oh I know, MS moves again, to some other well meaning country that would be willing to whore itself for the change to taste the taint of our sweet love MS. At least until MS found a new victim to rape.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A smart country could also legalize child slavery and provide protection for anyone that wants to rape children .
After all , all one needs do i legalize it .
Think of the money that could be made !
If we make sure our law are as permissive and helpful for business as possible , things will just be fine ! Law to regulate business in needed because when left to their own devices , say like banks or AIG , greed will always intrude .
Law is there to protect everyone , regardless of if one side thinks they are being punished .
Liberty is n't freedom , why do n't you idiots see that .
Liberty is the freedom to have certain things be yours to decide that the government is n't allowed to touch .
There is another word for that idea , regulation .
Heard of it ?
We used to have it here .
There were these regulations that set what you were allowed to do and were n't allowed to do .
Funny thing is , over time , people with more money than you were able to buy special rules , just for them .
The day companies are required to play by the same rules as the rest of the country , that same day America will be back in line with what our founders suffered and died to form .
But I do n't think the 'American ' people have that much strength .
No , it would cost them too much , hell , they might have to pay their taxes ! Businesses should be allowed to share in the blessing and burdens of liberty , if it is n't worth the money , let them leave .
Any country that would take them in would end up regretting it when they had to start asking for the company to contribute to that country .
What then , oh I know , MS moves again , to some other well meaning country that would be willing to whore itself for the change to taste the taint of our sweet love MS. At least until MS found a new victim to rape .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A smart  country could also legalize child slavery and provide protection for anyone that wants to rape children.
After all, all one needs do i legalize it.
Think of the money that could be made!
If we make sure our law are as permissive and helpful for business as possible, things will just be fine!Law to regulate business in needed because when left to their own devices, say like banks or AIG, greed will always intrude.
Law is there to protect everyone, regardless of if one side thinks they are being punished.
Liberty isn't freedom, why don't you idiots see that.
Liberty is the freedom to have certain things be yours to decide that the government isn't allowed to touch.
There is another word for that idea, regulation.
Heard of it?
We used to have it here.
There were these regulations that set what you were allowed to do and weren't allowed to do.
Funny thing is, over time, people with more money than you were able to buy special rules, just for them.
The day companies are required to play by the same rules as the rest of the country, that same day America will be back in line with what our founders suffered and died to form.
But I don't think the 'American' people have that much strength.
No, it would cost them too much, hell, they might have to pay their taxes!Businesses should be allowed to share in the blessing and burdens of liberty, if it isn't worth the money, let them leave.
Any country that would take them in would end up regretting it when they had to start asking for the company to contribute to that country.
What then, oh I know, MS moves again, to some other well meaning country that would be willing to whore itself for the change to taste the taint of our sweet love MS. At least until MS found a new victim to rape.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233769</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>(arg!)Styopa</author>
	<datestamp>1244308200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It's SO unfair that we have to like obey our nations tax laws!"</p><p>For what it's worth, please note: they ARE obeying our tax laws now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's SO unfair that we have to like obey our nations tax laws !
" For what it 's worth , please note : they ARE obeying our tax laws now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's SO unfair that we have to like obey our nations tax laws!
"For what it's worth, please note: they ARE obeying our tax laws now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232423</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234519</id>
	<title>Re:On pulling out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244313720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>Microsoft:</b> threatens to switch to other continent.<br>
<b>People:</b> threaten to switch to other OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft : threatens to switch to other continent .
People : threaten to switch to other OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft: threatens to switch to other continent.
People: threaten to switch to other OS.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236297</id>
	<title>Heh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244281800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And to what country will he take Microsoft to?  And will they have competant programmers there, or will they be third-rate?  Talk about re-inventing the wheel, and at such a cost to the American people during such an economic recession.  Ballmer is so anti-american that he would rather turn and run rather than stand and fight to keep American jobs around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And to what country will he take Microsoft to ?
And will they have competant programmers there , or will they be third-rate ?
Talk about re-inventing the wheel , and at such a cost to the American people during such an economic recession .
Ballmer is so anti-american that he would rather turn and run rather than stand and fight to keep American jobs around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And to what country will he take Microsoft to?
And will they have competant programmers there, or will they be third-rate?
Talk about re-inventing the wheel, and at such a cost to the American people during such an economic recession.
Ballmer is so anti-american that he would rather turn and run rather than stand and fight to keep American jobs around.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234055</id>
	<title>Let Ballmer know the consequences of pulling out</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1244310060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>by charging his ass with treason. He *HAS* to know doing such a dick move would HURT a lot of US citizens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>by charging his ass with treason .
He * HAS * to know doing such a dick move would HURT a lot of US citizens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>by charging his ass with treason.
He *HAS* to know doing such a dick move would HURT a lot of US citizens.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236191</id>
	<title>Re:Like Nokia did in Finland</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244281020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nokia has also threatened to leave Finland because of the very same corporate tax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia has also threatened to leave Finland because of the very same corporate tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia has also threatened to leave Finland because of the very same corporate tax.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232435</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236117</id>
	<title>Yeahn frigging right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244280540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and were are you going?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; To the EU? What about your anti-trust issue? Do you really want to put you firm in their hands?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; To China? I would love to see that, the pirates would have your company secrets in no time</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Some poor third world country? Good luck with that...</p><p>or STFU and pay your taxes like everybody else</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and were are you going ?
      To the EU ?
What about your anti-trust issue ?
Do you really want to put you firm in their hands ?
        To China ?
I would love to see that , the pirates would have your company secrets in no time           Some poor third world country ?
Good luck with that...or STFU and pay your taxes like everybody else</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and were are you going?
      To the EU?
What about your anti-trust issue?
Do you really want to put you firm in their hands?
        To China?
I would love to see that, the pirates would have your company secrets in no time
          Some poor third world country?
Good luck with that...or STFU and pay your taxes like everybody else</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232351</id>
	<title>Sound business decision</title>
	<author>ausekilis</author>
	<datestamp>1244299320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They can build an island just offshore from WA in international waters, set up their own nation, declare financial independence from the U.S. and every other nation.  They can then set up commuter ferries to make the trek to/from the "mainland" take an extra couple hours a day. Then a couple things can happen, either 1) We set up trade embargos and they still get the rear admiral from the Gov, or 2) the employees get sick of the shenanigans and move to another company (say, Apple? RedHat?).</htmltext>
<tokenext>They can build an island just offshore from WA in international waters , set up their own nation , declare financial independence from the U.S. and every other nation .
They can then set up commuter ferries to make the trek to/from the " mainland " take an extra couple hours a day .
Then a couple things can happen , either 1 ) We set up trade embargos and they still get the rear admiral from the Gov , or 2 ) the employees get sick of the shenanigans and move to another company ( say , Apple ?
RedHat ? ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can build an island just offshore from WA in international waters, set up their own nation, declare financial independence from the U.S. and every other nation.
They can then set up commuter ferries to make the trek to/from the "mainland" take an extra couple hours a day.
Then a couple things can happen, either 1) We set up trade embargos and they still get the rear admiral from the Gov, or 2) the employees get sick of the shenanigans and move to another company (say, Apple?
RedHat?).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232327</id>
	<title>I'm okay with this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244299080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a shareholder, this is a great move.  If this saves MS money, it puts more money in my pocket.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a shareholder , this is a great move .
If this saves MS money , it puts more money in my pocket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a shareholder, this is a great move.
If this saves MS money, it puts more money in my pocket.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28238379</id>
	<title>More jobs leaving the US?</title>
	<author>Mwise1023</author>
	<datestamp>1244301180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>Ok,<br><br>So from a business point of view, this may seem like a good idea to save taxes and instead convert that money into profits. This sucks for our economy since it's less money in the pool and instead is just aiding another country's economy instead of our own. So all their profits just become worth less and less as our american money gets worth less and less as other countries with all our business get more work. China already owns most of our country. And here we are putting even more of our assessts.<br><br>So yea, let's keep the jobs here.... damn their profits. Everyone loses when our economy keeps dropping as we simply bolster someone else's.<br><br>Very best,</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok,So from a business point of view , this may seem like a good idea to save taxes and instead convert that money into profits .
This sucks for our economy since it 's less money in the pool and instead is just aiding another country 's economy instead of our own .
So all their profits just become worth less and less as our american money gets worth less and less as other countries with all our business get more work .
China already owns most of our country .
And here we are putting even more of our assessts.So yea , let 's keep the jobs here.... damn their profits .
Everyone loses when our economy keeps dropping as we simply bolster someone else 's.Very best,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok,So from a business point of view, this may seem like a good idea to save taxes and instead convert that money into profits.
This sucks for our economy since it's less money in the pool and instead is just aiding another country's economy instead of our own.
So all their profits just become worth less and less as our american money gets worth less and less as other countries with all our business get more work.
China already owns most of our country.
And here we are putting even more of our assessts.So yea, let's keep the jobs here.... damn their profits.
Everyone loses when our economy keeps dropping as we simply bolster someone else's.Very best,</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234971</id>
	<title>Re:GOOD MS plz move to Dublin</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244317320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I hope I live long enough to visit Gate's grave.  Even though I'm sure his evil empire will live well beyond him we have to live for the little things.</p></div><p>You are disgusting; and I've hated MS for years.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope I live long enough to visit Gate 's grave .
Even though I 'm sure his evil empire will live well beyond him we have to live for the little things.You are disgusting ; and I 've hated MS for years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope I live long enough to visit Gate's grave.
Even though I'm sure his evil empire will live well beyond him we have to live for the little things.You are disgusting; and I've hated MS for years.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232585</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233997</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244309640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because we are a nation of laws and we have laws that say US corporations need to pay taxes. For too many years corporations shirked these laws with off shore tax havens and now our government is actually going to attempt to enforce them. Nobody likes to pay taxes and it should be everyones goal to keep taxes as low as possible. With that said, are you suggesting that globalist corporations should receive full benefits from our government services but be held accountable to pay absolutely nothing for them thus leaving the total costs to be paid by taxpaying citizens?</p><p>If so, then perhaps you have a partial answer to way some people view corporations as greedy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because we are a nation of laws and we have laws that say US corporations need to pay taxes .
For too many years corporations shirked these laws with off shore tax havens and now our government is actually going to attempt to enforce them .
Nobody likes to pay taxes and it should be everyones goal to keep taxes as low as possible .
With that said , are you suggesting that globalist corporations should receive full benefits from our government services but be held accountable to pay absolutely nothing for them thus leaving the total costs to be paid by taxpaying citizens ? If so , then perhaps you have a partial answer to way some people view corporations as greedy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because we are a nation of laws and we have laws that say US corporations need to pay taxes.
For too many years corporations shirked these laws with off shore tax havens and now our government is actually going to attempt to enforce them.
Nobody likes to pay taxes and it should be everyones goal to keep taxes as low as possible.
With that said, are you suggesting that globalist corporations should receive full benefits from our government services but be held accountable to pay absolutely nothing for them thus leaving the total costs to be paid by taxpaying citizens?If so, then perhaps you have a partial answer to way some people view corporations as greedy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232789</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236059</id>
	<title>Re:WTF?!?</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1244280180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Way to call him out.</p><p>Similarly, I like to call out people who whine about jobs being "sent overseas" but stare blankly when large, smart companies point out how the US tax system makes it impossible to stay competitive without sending operations out of the country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Way to call him out.Similarly , I like to call out people who whine about jobs being " sent overseas " but stare blankly when large , smart companies point out how the US tax system makes it impossible to stay competitive without sending operations out of the country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way to call him out.Similarly, I like to call out people who whine about jobs being "sent overseas" but stare blankly when large, smart companies point out how the US tax system makes it impossible to stay competitive without sending operations out of the country.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232229</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28241093</id>
	<title>Re:Pure FUD.</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1244387580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and painting your corporation as a bunch of dickweeds that'll just up and leave over some legislation is just idiotic.</p></div><p>It hasn't hurt their bottom line for the past 15 years... Why change now?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and painting your corporation as a bunch of dickweeds that 'll just up and leave over some legislation is just idiotic.It has n't hurt their bottom line for the past 15 years... Why change now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and painting your corporation as a bunch of dickweeds that'll just up and leave over some legislation is just idiotic.It hasn't hurt their bottom line for the past 15 years... Why change now?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232337</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236347</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Dare nMc</author>
	<datestamp>1244282160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also taxes for corporations are based on profit, where individuals are on income.  So a company with a high re-investment would push back taxes, which should be good for all involved.  At a individual level it can be a reduced incentive to work harder (enjoying more free time instead)  Also since their are fewer companies in theory it should be easier to enforce at that level.<br>The down side is corporations are already buying the laws too much already.  If they were paying all the taxes too, we would have a harder time controlling the government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also taxes for corporations are based on profit , where individuals are on income .
So a company with a high re-investment would push back taxes , which should be good for all involved .
At a individual level it can be a reduced incentive to work harder ( enjoying more free time instead ) Also since their are fewer companies in theory it should be easier to enforce at that level.The down side is corporations are already buying the laws too much already .
If they were paying all the taxes too , we would have a harder time controlling the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also taxes for corporations are based on profit, where individuals are on income.
So a company with a high re-investment would push back taxes, which should be good for all involved.
At a individual level it can be a reduced incentive to work harder (enjoying more free time instead)  Also since their are fewer companies in theory it should be easier to enforce at that level.The down side is corporations are already buying the laws too much already.
If they were paying all the taxes too, we would have a harder time controlling the government.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232427</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233057</id>
	<title>Screw them.</title>
	<author>Daevad</author>
	<datestamp>1244304120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I nearly never post here.  But if MS wants to threaten the U.S., then they can go to hell.  I am sick to death of their arrogance, and Ballmer is a stinking filthy piece of distended rectum.  They can go to where ever they want, that's fine.  Then we should put enormous import duties on commercial software from offshore companies and Federal/State/Local governments should change all their software purchasing standards to exclude MS products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I nearly never post here .
But if MS wants to threaten the U.S. , then they can go to hell .
I am sick to death of their arrogance , and Ballmer is a stinking filthy piece of distended rectum .
They can go to where ever they want , that 's fine .
Then we should put enormous import duties on commercial software from offshore companies and Federal/State/Local governments should change all their software purchasing standards to exclude MS products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I nearly never post here.
But if MS wants to threaten the U.S., then they can go to hell.
I am sick to death of their arrogance, and Ballmer is a stinking filthy piece of distended rectum.
They can go to where ever they want, that's fine.
Then we should put enormous import duties on commercial software from offshore companies and Federal/State/Local governments should change all their software purchasing standards to exclude MS products.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233493</id>
	<title>harmonisation</title>
	<author>DaveGod</author>
	<datestamp>1244306460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think at some point, probably around the time the US gets around to adopting International Financial Reporting Standards, the major economies are going to start talking about harmonising tax rates to a certain extent. Many major governments are currently tackling transfer pricing and offshore tax havens, it is no coincidence that they are all doing it at the same time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think at some point , probably around the time the US gets around to adopting International Financial Reporting Standards , the major economies are going to start talking about harmonising tax rates to a certain extent .
Many major governments are currently tackling transfer pricing and offshore tax havens , it is no coincidence that they are all doing it at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think at some point, probably around the time the US gets around to adopting International Financial Reporting Standards, the major economies are going to start talking about harmonising tax rates to a certain extent.
Many major governments are currently tackling transfer pricing and offshore tax havens, it is no coincidence that they are all doing it at the same time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28246427</id>
	<title>WHAT???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244388900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good F*&amp;^^@N Riddance!  And if he damn well does then the gov't better charge him with financial treason and revoke his citizenship!  Let him go live in India with his employees!</p><p>U\%*($$$@# damned ceo's . . . . . I'm so fed up with these "American" corporations taking an anti-american stance.  They want to move overseas, letem and tell their "American" leadership that they can go too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good F * &amp; ^ ^ @ N Riddance !
And if he damn well does then the gov't better charge him with financial treason and revoke his citizenship !
Let him go live in India with his employees ! U \ % * ( $ $ $ @ # damned ceo 's .
. .
. .
I 'm so fed up with these " American " corporations taking an anti-american stance .
They want to move overseas , letem and tell their " American " leadership that they can go too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good F*&amp;^^@N Riddance!
And if he damn well does then the gov't better charge him with financial treason and revoke his citizenship!
Let him go live in India with his employees!U\%*($$$@# damned ceo's .
. .
. .
I'm so fed up with these "American" corporations taking an anti-american stance.
They want to move overseas, letem and tell their "American" leadership that they can go too!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235263</id>
	<title>"Excessive" taxation</title>
	<author>phliar</author>
	<datestamp>1244318760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <em>Since when is going along with excessive taxation being patriotic?
</em></p></div> </blockquote><p>

Damn right, citizen! But when I say my taxes are excessive they throw me in jail as a tax evader. Don't they undeerstand I'm a <em>patriot</em>?

</p><p>Until we can throw corporations in jail when they commit crimes, or execute them for murder,
bullshit like this is just empty rhetoric.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when is going along with excessive taxation being patriotic ?
Damn right , citizen !
But when I say my taxes are excessive they throw me in jail as a tax evader .
Do n't they undeerstand I 'm a patriot ?
Until we can throw corporations in jail when they commit crimes , or execute them for murder , bullshit like this is just empty rhetoric .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Since when is going along with excessive taxation being patriotic?
Damn right, citizen!
But when I say my taxes are excessive they throw me in jail as a tax evader.
Don't they undeerstand I'm a patriot?
Until we can throw corporations in jail when they commit crimes, or execute them for murder,
bullshit like this is just empty rhetoric.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232397</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28253489</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>drsquare</author>
	<datestamp>1244487900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dubai has no taxes, maybe you could move there. Of course, with no education system you'll have to go through the expense and hassle if importing your entire workforce.</p><p>But hey, maybe there's a reason that every single developed first-world country has taxes and public services, and every country that doesn't is a shit-hole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dubai has no taxes , maybe you could move there .
Of course , with no education system you 'll have to go through the expense and hassle if importing your entire workforce.But hey , maybe there 's a reason that every single developed first-world country has taxes and public services , and every country that does n't is a shit-hole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dubai has no taxes, maybe you could move there.
Of course, with no education system you'll have to go through the expense and hassle if importing your entire workforce.But hey, maybe there's a reason that every single developed first-world country has taxes and public services, and every country that doesn't is a shit-hole.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237057</id>
	<title>Re:title</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244288280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes please!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes please !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes please!
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233429</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>iggymanz</author>
	<datestamp>1244306040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"the money they earned", what a load of bullshit.  the people of the United States just involuntarily loaned the megacorp/banking system hundreds of billions of dollars to prop up their failed businesses. these megacorporations who bribe and make campaign donations to lawmakers to create laws to be in their favor, while the people are saddled with a taxation system that punishes them more the more they earn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" the money they earned " , what a load of bullshit .
the people of the United States just involuntarily loaned the megacorp/banking system hundreds of billions of dollars to prop up their failed businesses .
these megacorporations who bribe and make campaign donations to lawmakers to create laws to be in their favor , while the people are saddled with a taxation system that punishes them more the more they earn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"the money they earned", what a load of bullshit.
the people of the United States just involuntarily loaned the megacorp/banking system hundreds of billions of dollars to prop up their failed businesses.
these megacorporations who bribe and make campaign donations to lawmakers to create laws to be in their favor, while the people are saddled with a taxation system that punishes them more the more they earn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234353</id>
	<title>Quothe the billionaire</title>
	<author>anarkavre</author>
	<datestamp>1244312460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is threatening to move Microsoft employees offshore if Congress enacts President Obama's plans to curb tax avoidance by US corporations. 'It makes US jobs more expensive,' complained <b>'billionaire'</b> Ballmer."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is threatening to move Microsoft employees offshore if Congress enacts President Obama 's plans to curb tax avoidance by US corporations .
'It makes US jobs more expensive, ' complained 'billionaire ' Ballmer .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is threatening to move Microsoft employees offshore if Congress enacts President Obama's plans to curb tax avoidance by US corporations.
'It makes US jobs more expensive,' complained 'billionaire' Ballmer.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234913</id>
	<title>Cant Tax the Collector</title>
	<author>BountyX</author>
	<datestamp>1244317080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is the unspoken agreement businesses have with our government.<br>
1. As a business, I will withhold taxes and submit those taxes from my employees before the money ever gets in their hands, therefore, I am the tax collector.
<br>2. For collecting said taxes, you (the government) will provide me with many tax breaks. The larger I am, the less tax liability (in relation to my volume of business) I will provide.<br>3. If this agreement is broken, I will not do business with you and will enter into the same agreement elsewhere with others.<br> <br>This unspoken agreement represents how class structure is divided amongst Americans into the following categories: <br> 1. Welfare class, they are the tax eaters, these guys are your tax liabilities, but are not limited to dependence on welfare but also other tax funded programs without making up the difference in their expense (by generating taxable revenue) programs etc.<br>2. Working class, these are your part-time workers who hold multiple jobs but don't really have any real healthcare or other employer provided support.<br>3. Middle Class, this is the bulk of  where the taxable revenue comes from. These people typically generate more in tax income than they dismiss.<br>4. Business class, these are your tax collectors for the middle class. For their collection services they have greater options in reducing their tax obligations.<br>5. Political Class, these are the people who have great political influence and can have even less tax obligations than the business class without the hassle of collection.<br>6. Oligarchy status, your probably a bank receiving a bail-out at this point.<br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the unspoken agreement businesses have with our government .
1. As a business , I will withhold taxes and submit those taxes from my employees before the money ever gets in their hands , therefore , I am the tax collector .
2. For collecting said taxes , you ( the government ) will provide me with many tax breaks .
The larger I am , the less tax liability ( in relation to my volume of business ) I will provide.3 .
If this agreement is broken , I will not do business with you and will enter into the same agreement elsewhere with others .
This unspoken agreement represents how class structure is divided amongst Americans into the following categories : 1 .
Welfare class , they are the tax eaters , these guys are your tax liabilities , but are not limited to dependence on welfare but also other tax funded programs without making up the difference in their expense ( by generating taxable revenue ) programs etc.2 .
Working class , these are your part-time workers who hold multiple jobs but do n't really have any real healthcare or other employer provided support.3 .
Middle Class , this is the bulk of where the taxable revenue comes from .
These people typically generate more in tax income than they dismiss.4 .
Business class , these are your tax collectors for the middle class .
For their collection services they have greater options in reducing their tax obligations.5 .
Political Class , these are the people who have great political influence and can have even less tax obligations than the business class without the hassle of collection.6 .
Oligarchy status , your probably a bank receiving a bail-out at this point .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the unspoken agreement businesses have with our government.
1. As a business, I will withhold taxes and submit those taxes from my employees before the money ever gets in their hands, therefore, I am the tax collector.
2. For collecting said taxes, you (the government) will provide me with many tax breaks.
The larger I am, the less tax liability (in relation to my volume of business) I will provide.3.
If this agreement is broken, I will not do business with you and will enter into the same agreement elsewhere with others.
This unspoken agreement represents how class structure is divided amongst Americans into the following categories:  1.
Welfare class, they are the tax eaters, these guys are your tax liabilities, but are not limited to dependence on welfare but also other tax funded programs without making up the difference in their expense (by generating taxable revenue) programs etc.2.
Working class, these are your part-time workers who hold multiple jobs but don't really have any real healthcare or other employer provided support.3.
Middle Class, this is the bulk of  where the taxable revenue comes from.
These people typically generate more in tax income than they dismiss.4.
Business class, these are your tax collectors for the middle class.
For their collection services they have greater options in reducing their tax obligations.5.
Political Class, these are the people who have great political influence and can have even less tax obligations than the business class without the hassle of collection.6.
Oligarchy status, your probably a bank receiving a bail-out at this point.
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233505</id>
	<title>As Obama said....</title>
	<author>s0litaire</author>
	<datestamp>1244306520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Right now we have got a whole host of corporate loopholes and tax havens. There is a building in the Cayman Islands that houses supposedly 12,000 US-based corporations. Thats either the biggest building in the world or the biggest tax scam in the world, and we know which one it is."<p>
So
</p><p>
Cut the loopholes and you won't need to increase Tax, you might be able to reduce the tax burden on companies...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Right now we have got a whole host of corporate loopholes and tax havens .
There is a building in the Cayman Islands that houses supposedly 12,000 US-based corporations .
Thats either the biggest building in the world or the biggest tax scam in the world , and we know which one it is .
" So Cut the loopholes and you wo n't need to increase Tax , you might be able to reduce the tax burden on companies.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Right now we have got a whole host of corporate loopholes and tax havens.
There is a building in the Cayman Islands that houses supposedly 12,000 US-based corporations.
Thats either the biggest building in the world or the biggest tax scam in the world, and we know which one it is.
"
So

Cut the loopholes and you won't need to increase Tax, you might be able to reduce the tax burden on companies...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232841</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244302620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's not always true.  If the corporation can't (or won't) pass the cost on to the consumer, they cut variable costs.  That usually results in job cuts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not always true .
If the corporation ca n't ( or wo n't ) pass the cost on to the consumer , they cut variable costs .
That usually results in job cuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not always true.
If the corporation can't (or won't) pass the cost on to the consumer, they cut variable costs.
That usually results in job cuts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234279</id>
	<title>Re:Sound business decision</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1244311980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And what do they do for protection from rogue states?  We're not going to protect them.  Go ahead and set it up, and watch the pirates (the real ones, not the software pirate bullshit) take over everything.  Sealand is a good point of reference for this, when you get all cocky and try to pretend you are your own country, someone else who is cockier and better at it comes in and kicks your ass, while the country (England) that you ran from sits back and says 'heh, nope, you aren't English, deal with it yourself dipshit'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And what do they do for protection from rogue states ?
We 're not going to protect them .
Go ahead and set it up , and watch the pirates ( the real ones , not the software pirate bullshit ) take over everything .
Sealand is a good point of reference for this , when you get all cocky and try to pretend you are your own country , someone else who is cockier and better at it comes in and kicks your ass , while the country ( England ) that you ran from sits back and says 'heh , nope , you are n't English , deal with it yourself dipshit'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what do they do for protection from rogue states?
We're not going to protect them.
Go ahead and set it up, and watch the pirates (the real ones, not the software pirate bullshit) take over everything.
Sealand is a good point of reference for this, when you get all cocky and try to pretend you are your own country, someone else who is cockier and better at it comes in and kicks your ass, while the country (England) that you ran from sits back and says 'heh, nope, you aren't English, deal with it yourself dipshit'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233619</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244307180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The U.S. is becoming increasingly hostile toward business.  I certainly wouldn't blame Microsoft, Google, Intel or any big company for leaving the U.S. if they can find a country that does not view them as a cash cow, does not attack them with anti-trust, and does not punish their energy-use with cap and trade.</p><p>A smart country could displace the U.S. as the economic leader in the world by recognizing and protecting the liberties required for individuals and companies to survive and prosper.  If there were a country with minimal tax, strong protection from the government, freedom to think and act - I know I would move there.</p></div><p>Trillions of dollars in debt does not an economic leader make. Even if this were true China who holds the majority of our debt would more than likely count as the absentee landlords of the economic leader so... bad reasoning here.</p><p>Your smart country argument is intrinsically flawed as well. Even if a country were to waive taxing them, provide free housing, transportation and spa services by eager supermodels on the weekends, the problem isn't about the U.S. being hostile, it's about boundless greed. Provide them with everything they want, even the loopholes they've been getting bloated off of and they'll still look a gift horse in the mouth and ask, how can we get more for nothing.</p><p>These businesses are the ultimate scammers/thieves/pirates, etc.</p><p>Let them go, any and all of them. Many of the arguments here are spot on. If MS wants to cut itself off from the biggest consumer economy in the world, more power to them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The U.S. is becoming increasingly hostile toward business .
I certainly would n't blame Microsoft , Google , Intel or any big company for leaving the U.S. if they can find a country that does not view them as a cash cow , does not attack them with anti-trust , and does not punish their energy-use with cap and trade.A smart country could displace the U.S. as the economic leader in the world by recognizing and protecting the liberties required for individuals and companies to survive and prosper .
If there were a country with minimal tax , strong protection from the government , freedom to think and act - I know I would move there.Trillions of dollars in debt does not an economic leader make .
Even if this were true China who holds the majority of our debt would more than likely count as the absentee landlords of the economic leader so... bad reasoning here.Your smart country argument is intrinsically flawed as well .
Even if a country were to waive taxing them , provide free housing , transportation and spa services by eager supermodels on the weekends , the problem is n't about the U.S. being hostile , it 's about boundless greed .
Provide them with everything they want , even the loopholes they 've been getting bloated off of and they 'll still look a gift horse in the mouth and ask , how can we get more for nothing.These businesses are the ultimate scammers/thieves/pirates , etc.Let them go , any and all of them .
Many of the arguments here are spot on .
If MS wants to cut itself off from the biggest consumer economy in the world , more power to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The U.S. is becoming increasingly hostile toward business.
I certainly wouldn't blame Microsoft, Google, Intel or any big company for leaving the U.S. if they can find a country that does not view them as a cash cow, does not attack them with anti-trust, and does not punish their energy-use with cap and trade.A smart country could displace the U.S. as the economic leader in the world by recognizing and protecting the liberties required for individuals and companies to survive and prosper.
If there were a country with minimal tax, strong protection from the government, freedom to think and act - I know I would move there.Trillions of dollars in debt does not an economic leader make.
Even if this were true China who holds the majority of our debt would more than likely count as the absentee landlords of the economic leader so... bad reasoning here.Your smart country argument is intrinsically flawed as well.
Even if a country were to waive taxing them, provide free housing, transportation and spa services by eager supermodels on the weekends, the problem isn't about the U.S. being hostile, it's about boundless greed.
Provide them with everything they want, even the loopholes they've been getting bloated off of and they'll still look a gift horse in the mouth and ask, how can we get more for nothing.These businesses are the ultimate scammers/thieves/pirates, etc.Let them go, any and all of them.
Many of the arguments here are spot on.
If MS wants to cut itself off from the biggest consumer economy in the world, more power to them.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233031</id>
	<title>Microsoft can't move</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1244304000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would be seriously surprised if they actually pulled it off.  Would Microsoft no longer be an "American Company" at that point?  And what workers would be willing to do that?  And do they really think they can take their ball with them while at the same time continue to sell to the other businesses, individuals and government in the U.S.?  The very moment they try this, some serious effort in getting "Business Desktop Linux" defined, designed and deployed will start.  And before you know it, Microsoft will become a lot less relevant.  But before that sort of coalition project would come to fruition, some court cases will be heard preventing the BSA from doing their thing trying to squeeze and extort companies based on a click-through agreement that no one read.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be seriously surprised if they actually pulled it off .
Would Microsoft no longer be an " American Company " at that point ?
And what workers would be willing to do that ?
And do they really think they can take their ball with them while at the same time continue to sell to the other businesses , individuals and government in the U.S. ?
The very moment they try this , some serious effort in getting " Business Desktop Linux " defined , designed and deployed will start .
And before you know it , Microsoft will become a lot less relevant .
But before that sort of coalition project would come to fruition , some court cases will be heard preventing the BSA from doing their thing trying to squeeze and extort companies based on a click-through agreement that no one read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be seriously surprised if they actually pulled it off.
Would Microsoft no longer be an "American Company" at that point?
And what workers would be willing to do that?
And do they really think they can take their ball with them while at the same time continue to sell to the other businesses, individuals and government in the U.S.?
The very moment they try this, some serious effort in getting "Business Desktop Linux" defined, designed and deployed will start.
And before you know it, Microsoft will become a lot less relevant.
But before that sort of coalition project would come to fruition, some court cases will be heard preventing the BSA from doing their thing trying to squeeze and extort companies based on a click-through agreement that no one read.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236929</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244286900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[<i>citation needed</i>]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>[ citation needed ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[citation needed]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237947</id>
	<title>Pull Band-Aid Off And Get It Over With</title>
	<author>cmholm</author>
	<datestamp>1244296620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Granted, multi-national corporations have been shifting funds to overseas subsidiaries as a tax dodge for years. The fact that they've gotten used to it doesn't hide the fact that it's a dodge, no different that me hiding my wages in the Caymans, but easier to hide from the tax authorities. If Ballmer and every last GD US-based company that's been leaning on this technique wants to blow out of town because they have to pay full freight, let 'em. If they'd actually pay based on their in-country net, the net result would be the same, the difference being the point of collection would shift over a few value-added steps from the employees.</p><p>Do it now, so someone who wants to do business in the US can take advantage of the market opening. If no one does, at least we can all be open and deal with the economy as it really is, rather than what we're pretending it to be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Granted , multi-national corporations have been shifting funds to overseas subsidiaries as a tax dodge for years .
The fact that they 've gotten used to it does n't hide the fact that it 's a dodge , no different that me hiding my wages in the Caymans , but easier to hide from the tax authorities .
If Ballmer and every last GD US-based company that 's been leaning on this technique wants to blow out of town because they have to pay full freight , let 'em .
If they 'd actually pay based on their in-country net , the net result would be the same , the difference being the point of collection would shift over a few value-added steps from the employees.Do it now , so someone who wants to do business in the US can take advantage of the market opening .
If no one does , at least we can all be open and deal with the economy as it really is , rather than what we 're pretending it to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Granted, multi-national corporations have been shifting funds to overseas subsidiaries as a tax dodge for years.
The fact that they've gotten used to it doesn't hide the fact that it's a dodge, no different that me hiding my wages in the Caymans, but easier to hide from the tax authorities.
If Ballmer and every last GD US-based company that's been leaning on this technique wants to blow out of town because they have to pay full freight, let 'em.
If they'd actually pay based on their in-country net, the net result would be the same, the difference being the point of collection would shift over a few value-added steps from the employees.Do it now, so someone who wants to do business in the US can take advantage of the market opening.
If no one does, at least we can all be open and deal with the economy as it really is, rather than what we're pretending it to be.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234585</id>
	<title>is the US hostile to business?</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1244314260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The U.S. is becoming increasingly hostile toward business.</i></p><p>After the US gives hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to businesses this must be a jest.</p><p><i>does not attack them with anti-trust</i></p><p>Guess who was the big Trust Buster in US history...  Republican <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust\_Buster" title="wikipedia.org">Theodore Roosevelt </a> [wikipedia.org].  And guess who gave trusts and monopolies a huge hand... Democrat FDR.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The U.S. is becoming increasingly hostile toward business.After the US gives hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to businesses this must be a jest.does not attack them with anti-trustGuess who was the big Trust Buster in US history... Republican Theodore Roosevelt [ wikipedia.org ] .
And guess who gave trusts and monopolies a huge hand... Democrat FDR .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The U.S. is becoming increasingly hostile toward business.After the US gives hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to businesses this must be a jest.does not attack them with anti-trustGuess who was the big Trust Buster in US history...  Republican Theodore Roosevelt  [wikipedia.org].
And guess who gave trusts and monopolies a huge hand... Democrat FDR.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234781</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244316180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go Ahead Ballmer we will just stop buying your outdated, expensive crap software ! Asshat</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go Ahead Ballmer we will just stop buying your outdated , expensive crap software !
Asshat</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go Ahead Ballmer we will just stop buying your outdated, expensive crap software !
Asshat</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233521</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244306640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it against the law to move?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it against the law to move ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it against the law to move?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233719</id>
	<title>Welcome to Switzerland</title>
	<author>rapidmax</author>
	<datestamp>1244307840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to Switzerland.</p><p>We are very glad to see you here. I think we showed enough loyality during standardization of you Office Formats and by contract with you without public invitation to bid. Our goverment really rely on you.</p><p>Thank you<br>
Your Swiss Goverment</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to Switzerland.We are very glad to see you here .
I think we showed enough loyality during standardization of you Office Formats and by contract with you without public invitation to bid .
Our goverment really rely on you.Thank you Your Swiss Goverment</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to Switzerland.We are very glad to see you here.
I think we showed enough loyality during standardization of you Office Formats and by contract with you without public invitation to bid.
Our goverment really rely on you.Thank you
Your Swiss Goverment</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233159</id>
	<title>Go ahead....</title>
	<author>m509272</author>
	<datestamp>1244304600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Put a ban on future MS purchases except where absolutely necessary. Especially stop the US Army (I think) deployment of Vista. How stupid is that? Tell Steve to take a hike.</p><p>Yes, this is mildly insane knowing the government, hire up the dumped Microsofties (why pay them to do nothing) and retrain them in Linux and create a governmental OS with extremely high security. I'm pretty sure OpenOffice can handle most if not all the MS Office requirements. Strip out all the extraneous crap. Maybe a base version and a military version. Actually China is doing it with Red Flag Linux (don't know how successful though) so why can't we? Go US/OS !!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Put a ban on future MS purchases except where absolutely necessary .
Especially stop the US Army ( I think ) deployment of Vista .
How stupid is that ?
Tell Steve to take a hike.Yes , this is mildly insane knowing the government , hire up the dumped Microsofties ( why pay them to do nothing ) and retrain them in Linux and create a governmental OS with extremely high security .
I 'm pretty sure OpenOffice can handle most if not all the MS Office requirements .
Strip out all the extraneous crap .
Maybe a base version and a military version .
Actually China is doing it with Red Flag Linux ( do n't know how successful though ) so why ca n't we ?
Go US/OS ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put a ban on future MS purchases except where absolutely necessary.
Especially stop the US Army (I think) deployment of Vista.
How stupid is that?
Tell Steve to take a hike.Yes, this is mildly insane knowing the government, hire up the dumped Microsofties (why pay them to do nothing) and retrain them in Linux and create a governmental OS with extremely high security.
I'm pretty sure OpenOffice can handle most if not all the MS Office requirements.
Strip out all the extraneous crap.
Maybe a base version and a military version.
Actually China is doing it with Red Flag Linux (don't know how successful though) so why can't we?
Go US/OS !!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233371</id>
	<title>Americans have NO RIGHT to jobs.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>If you want a job,you need to fight for it.  If that means lowering your wages to compete with the workers in China, SO BE IT.  If that means paying more taxes so people like ballmer can pay less, then SO BE IT.</p><p>Anything else is anti-american.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want a job,you need to fight for it .
If that means lowering your wages to compete with the workers in China , SO BE IT .
If that means paying more taxes so people like ballmer can pay less , then SO BE IT.Anything else is anti-american .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want a job,you need to fight for it.
If that means lowering your wages to compete with the workers in China, SO BE IT.
If that means paying more taxes so people like ballmer can pay less, then SO BE IT.Anything else is anti-american.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28238533</id>
	<title>Put your money where your mouth is!</title>
	<author>foxylad</author>
	<datestamp>1244302860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>If there were a country with minimal tax, strong protection from the government, freedom to think and act...</i> </p><p>The fact that there isn't a (civilised) country like this should give you a clue. If you actually put your money where your mouth is, you'd be on the next flight to one of the collapsed states in Africa, where there is basically no government. No tax, absolute freedom... perfect! You'd probably even get a kick out of all the heavy weaponry you'd have to buy to protect yourself... for a while. But when you got ill, or old, I bet you'd come crawling right back.</p><p>Most of humanity has evolved past "brutal is best". Most of us have a deep-seated desire for justice, and have learned that co-operation is far preferable to conflict. We need to have a government to create laws, a credible police force to enforce them - and that costs money. Tax is an investment in civilisation, and when you consider what you get for it, it's a bargain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there were a country with minimal tax , strong protection from the government , freedom to think and act... The fact that there is n't a ( civilised ) country like this should give you a clue .
If you actually put your money where your mouth is , you 'd be on the next flight to one of the collapsed states in Africa , where there is basically no government .
No tax , absolute freedom... perfect ! You 'd probably even get a kick out of all the heavy weaponry you 'd have to buy to protect yourself... for a while .
But when you got ill , or old , I bet you 'd come crawling right back.Most of humanity has evolved past " brutal is best " .
Most of us have a deep-seated desire for justice , and have learned that co-operation is far preferable to conflict .
We need to have a government to create laws , a credible police force to enforce them - and that costs money .
Tax is an investment in civilisation , and when you consider what you get for it , it 's a bargain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If there were a country with minimal tax, strong protection from the government, freedom to think and act... The fact that there isn't a (civilised) country like this should give you a clue.
If you actually put your money where your mouth is, you'd be on the next flight to one of the collapsed states in Africa, where there is basically no government.
No tax, absolute freedom... perfect! You'd probably even get a kick out of all the heavy weaponry you'd have to buy to protect yourself... for a while.
But when you got ill, or old, I bet you'd come crawling right back.Most of humanity has evolved past "brutal is best".
Most of us have a deep-seated desire for justice, and have learned that co-operation is far preferable to conflict.
We need to have a government to create laws, a credible police force to enforce them - and that costs money.
Tax is an investment in civilisation, and when you consider what you get for it, it's a bargain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233685</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244307600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is not the US that is becoming increasingly hostile towards business, but the corporate elite that is becoming increasingly hostile towards consumers by trying to suck as much money as possible for any piece of rubbish they can sell.</p><p>You don't have to be a genius to understand that what is best for an individual or a group is not what is best for everyone else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is not the US that is becoming increasingly hostile towards business , but the corporate elite that is becoming increasingly hostile towards consumers by trying to suck as much money as possible for any piece of rubbish they can sell.You do n't have to be a genius to understand that what is best for an individual or a group is not what is best for everyone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is not the US that is becoming increasingly hostile towards business, but the corporate elite that is becoming increasingly hostile towards consumers by trying to suck as much money as possible for any piece of rubbish they can sell.You don't have to be a genius to understand that what is best for an individual or a group is not what is best for everyone else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28239261</id>
	<title>Too juvenile?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244312280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ballmer's <em>dad</em> should have pulled out.</p><p>(I'm not usually like this, but I just came from the Great Tits story.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ballmer 's dad should have pulled out .
( I 'm not usually like this , but I just came from the Great Tits story .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ballmer's dad should have pulled out.
(I'm not usually like this, but I just came from the Great Tits story.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233751</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1244308080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If they go out of US, to who M$ will complain to prevent unlicensed use of Windows?<br>EU is much more user oriented then US.</i> </p><p>What does "user oriented" have to do with unlicensed use?</p><p> The GPL is also a license, remember.</p><p>Software isn't the only product that is distributed under a license.</p><p>If you want to wreak ideological and nationalist havoc with commercial law in the middle of a deep and dangerous  world-wide recession, you are a fool.</p><p>Companies doing business in the United States are entitled to the protection of the laws of the United States.</p><p>Microsoft complains to the same people it does so now.</p><p>Look around you.</p><p>Is that your Toyota I saw in the HSBC parking lot?</p><p>How many companies that you do business with are foreign owned and foreign based - or very soon will be?</p><p>Vancouver B.C. is 150 miles north of Redmond.</p><p> Microsoft doesn't need Ireland. It doesn't need Dubai.</p><p> You think it wouldn't be a kick for the Canadian to see one of the most prosperous companies in the states - in the world - relocate to the Great White North?</p><p> Microsoft has triple A corporate credit - Exxon-Mobil grade credit. Pfizer grade credit. It has a user base of 900 million.</p><p> There isn't a politician in the world who wouldn't want to land this prize for his home district - and the EU bureaucrat be damned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they go out of US , to who M $ will complain to prevent unlicensed use of Windows ? EU is much more user oriented then US .
What does " user oriented " have to do with unlicensed use ?
The GPL is also a license , remember.Software is n't the only product that is distributed under a license.If you want to wreak ideological and nationalist havoc with commercial law in the middle of a deep and dangerous world-wide recession , you are a fool.Companies doing business in the United States are entitled to the protection of the laws of the United States.Microsoft complains to the same people it does so now.Look around you.Is that your Toyota I saw in the HSBC parking lot ? How many companies that you do business with are foreign owned and foreign based - or very soon will be ? Vancouver B.C .
is 150 miles north of Redmond .
Microsoft does n't need Ireland .
It does n't need Dubai .
You think it would n't be a kick for the Canadian to see one of the most prosperous companies in the states - in the world - relocate to the Great White North ?
Microsoft has triple A corporate credit - Exxon-Mobil grade credit .
Pfizer grade credit .
It has a user base of 900 million .
There is n't a politician in the world who would n't want to land this prize for his home district - and the EU bureaucrat be damned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they go out of US, to who M$ will complain to prevent unlicensed use of Windows?EU is much more user oriented then US.
What does "user oriented" have to do with unlicensed use?
The GPL is also a license, remember.Software isn't the only product that is distributed under a license.If you want to wreak ideological and nationalist havoc with commercial law in the middle of a deep and dangerous  world-wide recession, you are a fool.Companies doing business in the United States are entitled to the protection of the laws of the United States.Microsoft complains to the same people it does so now.Look around you.Is that your Toyota I saw in the HSBC parking lot?How many companies that you do business with are foreign owned and foreign based - or very soon will be?Vancouver B.C.
is 150 miles north of Redmond.
Microsoft doesn't need Ireland.
It doesn't need Dubai.
You think it wouldn't be a kick for the Canadian to see one of the most prosperous companies in the states - in the world - relocate to the Great White North?
Microsoft has triple A corporate credit - Exxon-Mobil grade credit.
Pfizer grade credit.
It has a user base of 900 million.
There isn't a politician in the world who wouldn't want to land this prize for his home district - and the EU bureaucrat be damned.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234921</id>
	<title>A Fine Farewell</title>
	<author>flameproof</author>
	<datestamp>1244317140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Balmer (M$) &amp; Thompson ($ymantec):<br> <br>
Goodbye and Good Riddance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Balmer ( M $ ) &amp; Thompson ( $ ymantec ) : Goodbye and Good Riddance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Balmer (M$) &amp; Thompson ($ymantec): 
Goodbye and Good Riddance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232695</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>jthill</author>
	<datestamp>1244301600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Individuals don't pay tax, not really, only businesses do, because businesses have to cut their prices to match individuals' reduced incomes. Ultimately, it is the business that pays the tax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Individuals do n't pay tax , not really , only businesses do , because businesses have to cut their prices to match individuals ' reduced incomes .
Ultimately , it is the business that pays the tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Individuals don't pay tax, not really, only businesses do, because businesses have to cut their prices to match individuals' reduced incomes.
Ultimately, it is the business that pays the tax.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232515</id>
	<title>A Translation for those with a smidgen of Latin</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244300520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Ballmer were to carry through on his latest version of jumping up and down to get attention, it would be a case of Microsoft fuckus interruptus.</p><p>I'm all in favor of it.  You go, Ballmer.  Go, go<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,go...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Ballmer were to carry through on his latest version of jumping up and down to get attention , it would be a case of Microsoft fuckus interruptus.I 'm all in favor of it .
You go , Ballmer .
Go , go ,go.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Ballmer were to carry through on his latest version of jumping up and down to get attention, it would be a case of Microsoft fuckus interruptus.I'm all in favor of it.
You go, Ballmer.
Go, go ,go...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28238023</id>
	<title>Re:Don't let the door hit you on the ass</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244297340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> part of me think's America's love for MS has to do with patriotism.</p> </div><p>Not to derail this thread, but I believe MS's success with the 360 within the US market has more to do with how well they bribed the gaming trade press, much like how they bribed the PC trade press in the 90's.  Seriously - look at how those rags fawned over MS products in the 90's, much like the gaming rags today totally swoon over the 360 (lack of features in windows in the 90's compared to competition, and lack of reliable hardware for the 360 in current times notwithstanding).  Nah - MS just knows who to market to - the "trade press".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>part of me think 's America 's love for MS has to do with patriotism .
Not to derail this thread , but I believe MS 's success with the 360 within the US market has more to do with how well they bribed the gaming trade press , much like how they bribed the PC trade press in the 90 's .
Seriously - look at how those rags fawned over MS products in the 90 's , much like the gaming rags today totally swoon over the 360 ( lack of features in windows in the 90 's compared to competition , and lack of reliable hardware for the 360 in current times notwithstanding ) .
Nah - MS just knows who to market to - the " trade press " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> part of me think's America's love for MS has to do with patriotism.
Not to derail this thread, but I believe MS's success with the 360 within the US market has more to do with how well they bribed the gaming trade press, much like how they bribed the PC trade press in the 90's.
Seriously - look at how those rags fawned over MS products in the 90's, much like the gaming rags today totally swoon over the 360 (lack of features in windows in the 90's compared to competition, and lack of reliable hardware for the 360 in current times notwithstanding).
Nah - MS just knows who to market to - the "trade press".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233009</id>
	<title>Hard to Blame Them, Really</title>
	<author>Ferretman</author>
	<datestamp>1244303880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I can very much see while they're looking at doing exactly this.....hopefully Washington (both the state and the DC incarnation) will get its act together and stop leveraging so much nonsense on successful companies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can very much see while they 're looking at doing exactly this.....hopefully Washington ( both the state and the DC incarnation ) will get its act together and stop leveraging so much nonsense on successful companies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can very much see while they're looking at doing exactly this.....hopefully Washington (both the state and the DC incarnation) will get its act together and stop leveraging so much nonsense on successful companies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233249</id>
	<title>So this means that all US Secret Service Agents ..</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1244305020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.. have been warned to keep on the lookout for flying chairs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.. have been warned to keep on the lookout for flying chairs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. have been warned to keep on the lookout for flying chairs?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235543</id>
	<title>Goodbye and good riddance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244320260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Time to put back Judge Jacksons sanctions removed from Microsoft by the bush administration.</p><p>Anyone remember how they rewarded the US govenment for removing the sanctions....</p><p>thats right they announced the creation of $5 billion worth of jobs in India the same week the sanctions were removed.<br>Shame on you Colleen Kollar-Kotelly,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time to put back Judge Jacksons sanctions removed from Microsoft by the bush administration.Anyone remember how they rewarded the US govenment for removing the sanctions....thats right they announced the creation of $ 5 billion worth of jobs in India the same week the sanctions were removed.Shame on you Colleen Kollar-Kotelly,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time to put back Judge Jacksons sanctions removed from Microsoft by the bush administration.Anyone remember how they rewarded the US govenment for removing the sanctions....thats right they announced the creation of $5 billion worth of jobs in India the same week the sanctions were removed.Shame on you Colleen Kollar-Kotelly,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234315</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>BeanThere</author>
	<datestamp>1244312220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Why is it that corporations who want to keep the money they earned by selling products and services are evil and greedy"</p><p>Moreover, companies like Microsoft don't just put their cash in giant vaults and let the execs swim in it like Scrooge McDuck while cackling evilly - they *invest* that money to make it grow. In other words, ultimately (after a few layers of indirection), it is made available to people like you and me who want to borrow money to start our own businesses (and thus create further jobs). And since they have an incentive to maximize their return on investment, unlike government, they'll make sure they will try to invest it smartly in a way that creates the most growth - and hence the most more jobs etc.</p><p>In other words, it gets plowed back into the community smartly.</p><p>Governments want to spread the myth that corporations are "evil" and they are "good" for obvious reasons - they want money! Lots of it! More and more of it! And they're not above lying or engineering "crises" and issuing propaganda etc. to convince people to hand over more and more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Why is it that corporations who want to keep the money they earned by selling products and services are evil and greedy " Moreover , companies like Microsoft do n't just put their cash in giant vaults and let the execs swim in it like Scrooge McDuck while cackling evilly - they * invest * that money to make it grow .
In other words , ultimately ( after a few layers of indirection ) , it is made available to people like you and me who want to borrow money to start our own businesses ( and thus create further jobs ) .
And since they have an incentive to maximize their return on investment , unlike government , they 'll make sure they will try to invest it smartly in a way that creates the most growth - and hence the most more jobs etc.In other words , it gets plowed back into the community smartly.Governments want to spread the myth that corporations are " evil " and they are " good " for obvious reasons - they want money !
Lots of it !
More and more of it !
And they 're not above lying or engineering " crises " and issuing propaganda etc .
to convince people to hand over more and more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Why is it that corporations who want to keep the money they earned by selling products and services are evil and greedy"Moreover, companies like Microsoft don't just put their cash in giant vaults and let the execs swim in it like Scrooge McDuck while cackling evilly - they *invest* that money to make it grow.
In other words, ultimately (after a few layers of indirection), it is made available to people like you and me who want to borrow money to start our own businesses (and thus create further jobs).
And since they have an incentive to maximize their return on investment, unlike government, they'll make sure they will try to invest it smartly in a way that creates the most growth - and hence the most more jobs etc.In other words, it gets plowed back into the community smartly.Governments want to spread the myth that corporations are "evil" and they are "good" for obvious reasons - they want money!
Lots of it!
More and more of it!
And they're not above lying or engineering "crises" and issuing propaganda etc.
to convince people to hand over more and more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28239687</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244405760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>"education for their workforce"<br>local taxes and private dollars</p><p>"roads for their commuters"<br>gas tax</p><p>"patent/copyright/trademark protection"<br>you got me there - let's dump it (seriously! it doesn't benefit the average person)</p><p>"investment in pure research that forms the basis of private R&amp;D"<br>non-sequitor - "pure research" as the basis of "private research".  "Pure" is not the sole domain of government, and "private" is - sadly - not the sole domain of private entities (you CAN be paid by the government to get an education, research/patent your work, and reap windfall benefits of that work - is this a "good" thing - not IMO)</p><p>"emergency personnel to save them from natural disasters"<br>yeah right - kick out the volunteers so Uncle Sam can fuck it up himself</p><p>"military protection"<br>Our military costs are not for "protection" or defense of this nation.  Rather, our costs reflect a gung-ho out-of-control military acting, often unethically, overseas.  It is not for our protection.</p><p>"retirement and insurance benefits for their employees"<br>Social Security - perhaps the biggest budget item - is a fricken pittance.  Retirmenet is privately funded.</p><p>"regulation of the markets so their stock can't be manipulated"<br>This is an exchange function (STOCK exchange), whether regulated publicly or privately, it is not a large cost and would be done anyway.</p><p>You really don't have anything of significance on your list.  You omit or distort the big items (debt financing is omitted, SS is distorted).  You omit other fun stuff like our drug wars or the amount of money Uncle Sam gives directly to big medicine and big pharm.  You omit my pet peeve - mandatory auto insurance - which hasn't lowered premiums for uninsured drivers (the insurance I pay in the event an uninsured or underinsured driver hits me), hasn't reduced the amount of uninsured drivers, but it has RAISED rates for those of us who buy coverage ($300,000 per instance in my case - far far far above the minimum).  Fucks like yourself never know this shit.   Fucking nazi you are.</p><p>Tags:  artor3, fucking nazi</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" education for their workforce " local taxes and private dollars " roads for their commuters " gas tax " patent/copyright/trademark protection " you got me there - let 's dump it ( seriously !
it does n't benefit the average person ) " investment in pure research that forms the basis of private R&amp;D " non-sequitor - " pure research " as the basis of " private research " .
" Pure " is not the sole domain of government , and " private " is - sadly - not the sole domain of private entities ( you CAN be paid by the government to get an education , research/patent your work , and reap windfall benefits of that work - is this a " good " thing - not IMO ) " emergency personnel to save them from natural disasters " yeah right - kick out the volunteers so Uncle Sam can fuck it up himself " military protection " Our military costs are not for " protection " or defense of this nation .
Rather , our costs reflect a gung-ho out-of-control military acting , often unethically , overseas .
It is not for our protection .
" retirement and insurance benefits for their employees " Social Security - perhaps the biggest budget item - is a fricken pittance .
Retirmenet is privately funded .
" regulation of the markets so their stock ca n't be manipulated " This is an exchange function ( STOCK exchange ) , whether regulated publicly or privately , it is not a large cost and would be done anyway.You really do n't have anything of significance on your list .
You omit or distort the big items ( debt financing is omitted , SS is distorted ) .
You omit other fun stuff like our drug wars or the amount of money Uncle Sam gives directly to big medicine and big pharm .
You omit my pet peeve - mandatory auto insurance - which has n't lowered premiums for uninsured drivers ( the insurance I pay in the event an uninsured or underinsured driver hits me ) , has n't reduced the amount of uninsured drivers , but it has RAISED rates for those of us who buy coverage ( $ 300,000 per instance in my case - far far far above the minimum ) .
Fucks like yourself never know this shit .
Fucking nazi you are.Tags : artor3 , fucking nazi</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"education for their workforce"local taxes and private dollars"roads for their commuters"gas tax"patent/copyright/trademark protection"you got me there - let's dump it (seriously!
it doesn't benefit the average person)"investment in pure research that forms the basis of private R&amp;D"non-sequitor - "pure research" as the basis of "private research".
"Pure" is not the sole domain of government, and "private" is - sadly - not the sole domain of private entities (you CAN be paid by the government to get an education, research/patent your work, and reap windfall benefits of that work - is this a "good" thing - not IMO)"emergency personnel to save them from natural disasters"yeah right - kick out the volunteers so Uncle Sam can fuck it up himself"military protection"Our military costs are not for "protection" or defense of this nation.
Rather, our costs reflect a gung-ho out-of-control military acting, often unethically, overseas.
It is not for our protection.
"retirement and insurance benefits for their employees"Social Security - perhaps the biggest budget item - is a fricken pittance.
Retirmenet is privately funded.
"regulation of the markets so their stock can't be manipulated"This is an exchange function (STOCK exchange), whether regulated publicly or privately, it is not a large cost and would be done anyway.You really don't have anything of significance on your list.
You omit or distort the big items (debt financing is omitted, SS is distorted).
You omit other fun stuff like our drug wars or the amount of money Uncle Sam gives directly to big medicine and big pharm.
You omit my pet peeve - mandatory auto insurance - which hasn't lowered premiums for uninsured drivers (the insurance I pay in the event an uninsured or underinsured driver hits me), hasn't reduced the amount of uninsured drivers, but it has RAISED rates for those of us who buy coverage ($300,000 per instance in my case - far far far above the minimum).
Fucks like yourself never know this shit.
Fucking nazi you are.Tags:  artor3, fucking nazi</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233823</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>The\_Quinn</author>
	<datestamp>1244308500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since Somalia has no guiding philosophical document, a la the Constitution, it is no surprise that the country is a battleground between Islamists, warlords, tribes,  and clans.</p><p>Living in near-anarchy is as bad for the individual as living in a dictatorship.  What is needed is a limited government whose functions and purpose are explicitly lined out (like in the constitution), but whose philosophic premises are rigidly pro-individual freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since Somalia has no guiding philosophical document , a la the Constitution , it is no surprise that the country is a battleground between Islamists , warlords , tribes , and clans.Living in near-anarchy is as bad for the individual as living in a dictatorship .
What is needed is a limited government whose functions and purpose are explicitly lined out ( like in the constitution ) , but whose philosophic premises are rigidly pro-individual freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since Somalia has no guiding philosophical document, a la the Constitution, it is no surprise that the country is a battleground between Islamists, warlords, tribes,  and clans.Living in near-anarchy is as bad for the individual as living in a dictatorship.
What is needed is a limited government whose functions and purpose are explicitly lined out (like in the constitution), but whose philosophic premises are rigidly pro-individual freedom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234015</id>
	<title>Lets give em the ISS</title>
	<author>decula03</author>
	<datestamp>1244309760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, lets let Microsoft have a nice tax free environment, the US's part of the International Space Station. And make em use their own OS to run it.

"OXYGEN GENERATORS OFFLINE, DO YOU WISH TO START THEM?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , lets let Microsoft have a nice tax free environment , the US 's part of the International Space Station .
And make em use their own OS to run it .
" OXYGEN GENERATORS OFFLINE , DO YOU WISH TO START THEM ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, lets let Microsoft have a nice tax free environment, the US's part of the International Space Station.
And make em use their own OS to run it.
"OXYGEN GENERATORS OFFLINE, DO YOU WISH TO START THEM?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233207</id>
	<title>Re:Like Delaware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> At some point we're looking at a hiring crisis here in America.</p><p>We're facing a 16 year educational depression as the currently undereducated kids gets graduates and makes way for a new generation educated satisfactorily. Naturally, this begs the question, but I think Obama is the guy to make the right changes to the DOE.</p></div><p>I doubt Obama can/will do anything.</p><p>Great nations do not come from great leaders but from great people. US is declining from too many of it's people's greed, laziness and ignorance. (Like Roma and 'Bread and Circuses')</p><p>Just my opinion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>At some point we 're looking at a hiring crisis here in America.We 're facing a 16 year educational depression as the currently undereducated kids gets graduates and makes way for a new generation educated satisfactorily .
Naturally , this begs the question , but I think Obama is the guy to make the right changes to the DOE.I doubt Obama can/will do anything.Great nations do not come from great leaders but from great people .
US is declining from too many of it 's people 's greed , laziness and ignorance .
( Like Roma and 'Bread and Circuses ' ) Just my opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> At some point we're looking at a hiring crisis here in America.We're facing a 16 year educational depression as the currently undereducated kids gets graduates and makes way for a new generation educated satisfactorily.
Naturally, this begs the question, but I think Obama is the guy to make the right changes to the DOE.I doubt Obama can/will do anything.Great nations do not come from great leaders but from great people.
US is declining from too many of it's people's greed, laziness and ignorance.
(Like Roma and 'Bread and Circuses')Just my opinion.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234109</id>
	<title>Re:On pulling out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244310540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought a house this year and installed a tankless water heater to exploit a tax loophole to avoid paying taxes.</p><p>How is a company trying to minimize its tax burden, thus maximizing profit for the gains of its shareholders (mutual funds, hedge funds, and people- of which people own shares in both fund types) different?  Last time I checked Microsoft maintains the employment of tens of thousands of people directly and indirectly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought a house this year and installed a tankless water heater to exploit a tax loophole to avoid paying taxes.How is a company trying to minimize its tax burden , thus maximizing profit for the gains of its shareholders ( mutual funds , hedge funds , and people- of which people own shares in both fund types ) different ?
Last time I checked Microsoft maintains the employment of tens of thousands of people directly and indirectly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought a house this year and installed a tankless water heater to exploit a tax loophole to avoid paying taxes.How is a company trying to minimize its tax burden, thus maximizing profit for the gains of its shareholders (mutual funds, hedge funds, and people- of which people own shares in both fund types) different?
Last time I checked Microsoft maintains the employment of tens of thousands of people directly and indirectly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234403</id>
	<title>What's the Big Deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244312760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's what I don't understand....Microsoft sells software in Europe, to European customer, through their Dublin European headquarters.  They pay European taxes on that revenue.  Why is everyone up in arms about that being a tax dodge?</p><p>Did they move their Global Headquarters to the Cayman Islands to avoid paying US taxes on all corporate profits?  No<br>Did they push sales to US companies through Ireland to avoid US taxes on US revenue?  No</p><p>They aren't using a tax shelter or loophole...they are just attributing the appropriate tax to the appropriate revenue.</p><p>What's the big deal?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's what I do n't understand....Microsoft sells software in Europe , to European customer , through their Dublin European headquarters .
They pay European taxes on that revenue .
Why is everyone up in arms about that being a tax dodge ? Did they move their Global Headquarters to the Cayman Islands to avoid paying US taxes on all corporate profits ?
NoDid they push sales to US companies through Ireland to avoid US taxes on US revenue ?
NoThey are n't using a tax shelter or loophole...they are just attributing the appropriate tax to the appropriate revenue.What 's the big deal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's what I don't understand....Microsoft sells software in Europe, to European customer, through their Dublin European headquarters.
They pay European taxes on that revenue.
Why is everyone up in arms about that being a tax dodge?Did they move their Global Headquarters to the Cayman Islands to avoid paying US taxes on all corporate profits?
NoDid they push sales to US companies through Ireland to avoid US taxes on US revenue?
NoThey aren't using a tax shelter or loophole...they are just attributing the appropriate tax to the appropriate revenue.What's the big deal?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234065</id>
	<title>Re:Ballmer threatens to pull out?</title>
	<author>ndogg</author>
	<datestamp>1244310180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While doing that, he's swinging a chair around and over his head.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While doing that , he 's swinging a chair around and over his head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While doing that, he's swinging a chair around and over his head.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232467</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244300160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why didn't I see such violent complaining when the story came through about Google taking data centers to the seas in order to avoid taxation? I will *never* understand the blatant Google fanboi crowd when Microsoft and Google have essentially become two heads on the same monster.  If you hate Microsoft because they are the "evil empire" then open your eyes, Google is right there with them.</p><p>The truth of the matter is that taking companies to locations with a lower corporate tax is not only a good business practice, but good for us consumers as well.  As has been said above, we are the people who end up paying a good portion of the increase in taxes on corporations.  Taxes are an expense that cannot be mitigated or controlled by a business in any way other than moving away from the tax.  By driving up corporate taxes we are inevitably going to drive away jobs from the U.S., not only at Microsoft but at countless other corporations.  It has been happening for years, why do you think many of your calls for tech support are answered in India?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why did n't I see such violent complaining when the story came through about Google taking data centers to the seas in order to avoid taxation ?
I will * never * understand the blatant Google fanboi crowd when Microsoft and Google have essentially become two heads on the same monster .
If you hate Microsoft because they are the " evil empire " then open your eyes , Google is right there with them.The truth of the matter is that taking companies to locations with a lower corporate tax is not only a good business practice , but good for us consumers as well .
As has been said above , we are the people who end up paying a good portion of the increase in taxes on corporations .
Taxes are an expense that can not be mitigated or controlled by a business in any way other than moving away from the tax .
By driving up corporate taxes we are inevitably going to drive away jobs from the U.S. , not only at Microsoft but at countless other corporations .
It has been happening for years , why do you think many of your calls for tech support are answered in India ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why didn't I see such violent complaining when the story came through about Google taking data centers to the seas in order to avoid taxation?
I will *never* understand the blatant Google fanboi crowd when Microsoft and Google have essentially become two heads on the same monster.
If you hate Microsoft because they are the "evil empire" then open your eyes, Google is right there with them.The truth of the matter is that taking companies to locations with a lower corporate tax is not only a good business practice, but good for us consumers as well.
As has been said above, we are the people who end up paying a good portion of the increase in taxes on corporations.
Taxes are an expense that cannot be mitigated or controlled by a business in any way other than moving away from the tax.
By driving up corporate taxes we are inevitably going to drive away jobs from the U.S., not only at Microsoft but at countless other corporations.
It has been happening for years, why do you think many of your calls for tech support are answered in India?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232337</id>
	<title>Pure FUD.</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1244299200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The sad thing is that this is all Microsoft has become.  Microsoft won't leave the US.  For one thing there's a lot more to running a business than a freaking tax shelter.  This is just another instance of Balmer blowing smoke.  It's really a large portion of how he tries to exert influence.</p><p>I think Balmer is going to soon learn this is simply NOT the time to start drawing lines in the sand between greedy corporations and everyone else.  Public opinion of Microsoft DOES matter, and painting your corporation as a bunch of dickweeds that'll just up and leave over some legislation is just idiotic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The sad thing is that this is all Microsoft has become .
Microsoft wo n't leave the US .
For one thing there 's a lot more to running a business than a freaking tax shelter .
This is just another instance of Balmer blowing smoke .
It 's really a large portion of how he tries to exert influence.I think Balmer is going to soon learn this is simply NOT the time to start drawing lines in the sand between greedy corporations and everyone else .
Public opinion of Microsoft DOES matter , and painting your corporation as a bunch of dickweeds that 'll just up and leave over some legislation is just idiotic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sad thing is that this is all Microsoft has become.
Microsoft won't leave the US.
For one thing there's a lot more to running a business than a freaking tax shelter.
This is just another instance of Balmer blowing smoke.
It's really a large portion of how he tries to exert influence.I think Balmer is going to soon learn this is simply NOT the time to start drawing lines in the sand between greedy corporations and everyone else.
Public opinion of Microsoft DOES matter, and painting your corporation as a bunch of dickweeds that'll just up and leave over some legislation is just idiotic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233025</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Ferretman</author>
	<datestamp>1244303940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not true in all cases....here, it's probably something like Use Taxes and/or property taxes that are getting out of control.

Sure, all taxes can be passed on to the customer but that just drives folks to things like Macs and Linux, so there are limits there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not true in all cases....here , it 's probably something like Use Taxes and/or property taxes that are getting out of control .
Sure , all taxes can be passed on to the customer but that just drives folks to things like Macs and Linux , so there are limits there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not true in all cases....here, it's probably something like Use Taxes and/or property taxes that are getting out of control.
Sure, all taxes can be passed on to the customer but that just drives folks to things like Macs and Linux, so there are limits there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234295</id>
	<title>Ballmer was just a criminal but now is a traitor.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244312040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If there was any justice in the world, Mr Ballmer, Mr Gates and their ilk would be in jail. That these people can be considered successful is a joke, in truth, they are evil and immoral. Shame on us for allowing these jerks to rip us all off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there was any justice in the world , Mr Ballmer , Mr Gates and their ilk would be in jail .
That these people can be considered successful is a joke , in truth , they are evil and immoral .
Shame on us for allowing these jerks to rip us all off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there was any justice in the world, Mr Ballmer, Mr Gates and their ilk would be in jail.
That these people can be considered successful is a joke, in truth, they are evil and immoral.
Shame on us for allowing these jerks to rip us all off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232229</id>
	<title>WTF?!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244298300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He admits they transferred resources to Ireland to avoid taxes and then whines that if they go after that, he'll leave...WTF?!?!?</p><p>All I can say is 'so long Monkey Boy'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He admits they transferred resources to Ireland to avoid taxes and then whines that if they go after that , he 'll leave...WTF ? ! ? !
? All I can say is 'so long Monkey Boy'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He admits they transferred resources to Ireland to avoid taxes and then whines that if they go after that, he'll leave...WTF?!?!
?All I can say is 'so long Monkey Boy'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232425</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244299800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is an important distinction between different types of taxes: The nation to which taxes are paid. Let's say we believe you and conclude that corporate taxes should be lowered or abolished, since the consumer ends up paying them anyway. The problem with that is that Microsoft sells its products all over the world: a corporate tax is a way of funneling money from consumers in other countries to the local economy which provides the infrastructure for the creation of the products. Without corporate taxes, the people in the US end up financing the infrastructure by themselves, while people everywhere benefit from cheaper products. The flip side of this argument is the basis for the article: People in the US need local jobs, so they can't make being a corporation in the US too expensive. It is important to realize that that isn't the only side to this argument though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is an important distinction between different types of taxes : The nation to which taxes are paid .
Let 's say we believe you and conclude that corporate taxes should be lowered or abolished , since the consumer ends up paying them anyway .
The problem with that is that Microsoft sells its products all over the world : a corporate tax is a way of funneling money from consumers in other countries to the local economy which provides the infrastructure for the creation of the products .
Without corporate taxes , the people in the US end up financing the infrastructure by themselves , while people everywhere benefit from cheaper products .
The flip side of this argument is the basis for the article : People in the US need local jobs , so they ca n't make being a corporation in the US too expensive .
It is important to realize that that is n't the only side to this argument though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is an important distinction between different types of taxes: The nation to which taxes are paid.
Let's say we believe you and conclude that corporate taxes should be lowered or abolished, since the consumer ends up paying them anyway.
The problem with that is that Microsoft sells its products all over the world: a corporate tax is a way of funneling money from consumers in other countries to the local economy which provides the infrastructure for the creation of the products.
Without corporate taxes, the people in the US end up financing the infrastructure by themselves, while people everywhere benefit from cheaper products.
The flip side of this argument is the basis for the article: People in the US need local jobs, so they can't make being a corporation in the US too expensive.
It is important to realize that that isn't the only side to this argument though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233915</id>
	<title>"complained billionaire Ballmer."</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244309100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"complained billionaire Ballmer."</p><p>Balmer's personal wealth has nothing to do with the policy arguments behind offshoring. Balmer has a duty to make his shareholders money. His personal enrichment is only secondary to that unless this is a manipulation of the market just prior to a sale etc.</p><p>The post implies it is somehow a shameful thing to make money. In that case, who cares if jobs are offshored? Following the logic to its extreme - it is shameful to make money and jobs are vehicles for such shameful activity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" complained billionaire Ballmer .
" Balmer 's personal wealth has nothing to do with the policy arguments behind offshoring .
Balmer has a duty to make his shareholders money .
His personal enrichment is only secondary to that unless this is a manipulation of the market just prior to a sale etc.The post implies it is somehow a shameful thing to make money .
In that case , who cares if jobs are offshored ?
Following the logic to its extreme - it is shameful to make money and jobs are vehicles for such shameful activity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"complained billionaire Ballmer.
"Balmer's personal wealth has nothing to do with the policy arguments behind offshoring.
Balmer has a duty to make his shareholders money.
His personal enrichment is only secondary to that unless this is a manipulation of the market just prior to a sale etc.The post implies it is somehow a shameful thing to make money.
In that case, who cares if jobs are offshored?
Following the logic to its extreme - it is shameful to make money and jobs are vehicles for such shameful activity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235223</id>
	<title>Re:Bonus Fact</title>
	<author>Prof.Phreak</author>
	<datestamp>1244318580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DeVeLOPeRS DeVeLOPeRS DeVeLOPeRS DeVeLOPeRS!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DeVeLOPeRS DeVeLOPeRS DeVeLOPeRS DeVeLOPeRS !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DeVeLOPeRS DeVeLOPeRS DeVeLOPeRS DeVeLOPeRS!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28246295</id>
	<title>Don't Let The Door Hit You In The Ass on Your Way</title>
	<author>hanekhw</author>
	<datestamp>1244387700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd suggest Balmer brush up on his Gaelic. After they helped elect Obama they have nothing to complain about. Of course, with their 'skills' they'd probably lose their way trying to leave America, then make it a required 'certification' for their 'partners'.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd suggest Balmer brush up on his Gaelic .
After they helped elect Obama they have nothing to complain about .
Of course , with their 'skills ' they 'd probably lose their way trying to leave America , then make it a required 'certification ' for their 'partners' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd suggest Balmer brush up on his Gaelic.
After they helped elect Obama they have nothing to complain about.
Of course, with their 'skills' they'd probably lose their way trying to leave America, then make it a required 'certification' for their 'partners'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234057</id>
	<title>Re:Don't let the door hit you on the ass</title>
	<author>ConceptJunkie</author>
	<datestamp>1244310120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would Microsoft lose customers if they moved overseas?  Sony isn't American.  Nintendo isn't American.  They do quite fine here.</p><p>Sure, the government could threaten to stop using Windows, and that would take, what, 10 years to happen?  And affect, what, 5\% of Microsoft's sales in the U.S.?</p><p>Sure a few people who value American-made products might switch from Windows, but that wouldn't amount to line noise in terms of Microsoft's overall market.  Besides, people like that are more likely to already not be using something like Windows in the first place.</p><p>The U.S. government has shown a willingness to grossly overstep its bounds in the way it makes demands of companies, but they don't have much leverage if MS hasn't taken any "bailout" money, which they don't and almost certainly won't for a decade or more.  Honestly, the U.S. government needs Microsoft more than Microsoft needs the government, and that's really sad.  That monopoly conviction really stung, for all of 5 minutes.</p><p>It would serve the U.S. right if by having one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world it drives the most successful, and therefore most revenue-generating companies abroad, and if that happened Congress and the White House just sit there fuming and trying somehow to blame it on Bush.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would Microsoft lose customers if they moved overseas ?
Sony is n't American .
Nintendo is n't American .
They do quite fine here.Sure , the government could threaten to stop using Windows , and that would take , what , 10 years to happen ?
And affect , what , 5 \ % of Microsoft 's sales in the U.S. ? Sure a few people who value American-made products might switch from Windows , but that would n't amount to line noise in terms of Microsoft 's overall market .
Besides , people like that are more likely to already not be using something like Windows in the first place.The U.S. government has shown a willingness to grossly overstep its bounds in the way it makes demands of companies , but they do n't have much leverage if MS has n't taken any " bailout " money , which they do n't and almost certainly wo n't for a decade or more .
Honestly , the U.S. government needs Microsoft more than Microsoft needs the government , and that 's really sad .
That monopoly conviction really stung , for all of 5 minutes.It would serve the U.S. right if by having one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world it drives the most successful , and therefore most revenue-generating companies abroad , and if that happened Congress and the White House just sit there fuming and trying somehow to blame it on Bush .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would Microsoft lose customers if they moved overseas?
Sony isn't American.
Nintendo isn't American.
They do quite fine here.Sure, the government could threaten to stop using Windows, and that would take, what, 10 years to happen?
And affect, what, 5\% of Microsoft's sales in the U.S.?Sure a few people who value American-made products might switch from Windows, but that wouldn't amount to line noise in terms of Microsoft's overall market.
Besides, people like that are more likely to already not be using something like Windows in the first place.The U.S. government has shown a willingness to grossly overstep its bounds in the way it makes demands of companies, but they don't have much leverage if MS hasn't taken any "bailout" money, which they don't and almost certainly won't for a decade or more.
Honestly, the U.S. government needs Microsoft more than Microsoft needs the government, and that's really sad.
That monopoly conviction really stung, for all of 5 minutes.It would serve the U.S. right if by having one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world it drives the most successful, and therefore most revenue-generating companies abroad, and if that happened Congress and the White House just sit there fuming and trying somehow to blame it on Bush.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234081</id>
	<title>Move Microsoft to India!</title>
	<author>Baldrson</author>
	<datestamp>1244310300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Think of all the cheap programmers -- with no visa hassles!
<p>
Please, Steve, seriously consider it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think of all the cheap programmers -- with no visa hassles !
Please , Steve , seriously consider it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think of all the cheap programmers -- with no visa hassles!
Please, Steve, seriously consider it...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236701</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244285040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Baahaahahaahahahhaahahaaa!</p><p>The government "provides services."</p><p>And you are OK with this? That's great. Seems that "education" the government is providing is paying off.</p><p>What happened to the government primary role of "governing?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Baahaahahaahahahhaahahaaa ! The government " provides services .
" And you are OK with this ?
That 's great .
Seems that " education " the government is providing is paying off.What happened to the government primary role of " governing ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Baahaahahaahahahhaahahaaa!The government "provides services.
"And you are OK with this?
That's great.
Seems that "education" the government is providing is paying off.What happened to the government primary role of "governing?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232409</id>
	<title>Re:Not very bright...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244299680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, we need more of this, more companies unwilling to let power and money consolidate in Washington.</p><p>Second, Microsoft doesn't have any responsibility to America, America has a responsibility to Microsoft by creating a business environment in which they can compete.  If they can't compete, or even if they can, they are free to do as they please.  Their benefit to society is the products they build and the jobs they create ( regardless of if they are good or not, that is for each individual and business purchaser to decide).</p><p>'Fair share' is a term used by people who like to loot other peoples hard earned money by force.</p><p>BTW, Apple, Intel, Facebook and many other have moved parts of their companies to Ireland for the exact same reason.  So while you think Microsoft and all these other companies need to be punished even more for their success Ireland benefits from the lower taxes and we lose jobs and the country loses a big chunk of tax income.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , we need more of this , more companies unwilling to let power and money consolidate in Washington.Second , Microsoft does n't have any responsibility to America , America has a responsibility to Microsoft by creating a business environment in which they can compete .
If they ca n't compete , or even if they can , they are free to do as they please .
Their benefit to society is the products they build and the jobs they create ( regardless of if they are good or not , that is for each individual and business purchaser to decide ) .
'Fair share ' is a term used by people who like to loot other peoples hard earned money by force.BTW , Apple , Intel , Facebook and many other have moved parts of their companies to Ireland for the exact same reason .
So while you think Microsoft and all these other companies need to be punished even more for their success Ireland benefits from the lower taxes and we lose jobs and the country loses a big chunk of tax income .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, we need more of this, more companies unwilling to let power and money consolidate in Washington.Second, Microsoft doesn't have any responsibility to America, America has a responsibility to Microsoft by creating a business environment in which they can compete.
If they can't compete, or even if they can, they are free to do as they please.
Their benefit to society is the products they build and the jobs they create ( regardless of if they are good or not, that is for each individual and business purchaser to decide).
'Fair share' is a term used by people who like to loot other peoples hard earned money by force.BTW, Apple, Intel, Facebook and many other have moved parts of their companies to Ireland for the exact same reason.
So while you think Microsoft and all these other companies need to be punished even more for their success Ireland benefits from the lower taxes and we lose jobs and the country loses a big chunk of tax income.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232353</id>
	<title>Re:Ballmer threatens to pull out?</title>
	<author>Ethanol-fueled</author>
	<datestamp>1244299320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>HAW! Well done, my friend. Well done. <br> <br>

Personally I'd rather have seen him as a third-trimester abortion. Let's cross our fingers and hope that he gets the hell outta here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>HAW !
Well done , my friend .
Well done .
Personally I 'd rather have seen him as a third-trimester abortion .
Let 's cross our fingers and hope that he gets the hell outta here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HAW!
Well done, my friend.
Well done.
Personally I'd rather have seen him as a third-trimester abortion.
Let's cross our fingers and hope that he gets the hell outta here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232285</id>
	<title>Tax profits based upon proportion of Revenue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244298660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps it's just time to give up the sham of profit locality.<br>Corporations have been manipulating their balance sheets via bogus sales/transfers between subsidiaries for years.</p><p>If a corporation gets 90\% of revenue from US based sales, perhaps the US should get to tax 90\% of the global profit.</p><p>Another bonus, this would disincent large profitable companies from trying to break into a market regardless of early losses, since revenue would expose their profits from other business lines to further taxes.  Why should Microsoft get to suffer huge losses on the XBox for years and years just because their a monopolist in other markets?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps it 's just time to give up the sham of profit locality.Corporations have been manipulating their balance sheets via bogus sales/transfers between subsidiaries for years.If a corporation gets 90 \ % of revenue from US based sales , perhaps the US should get to tax 90 \ % of the global profit.Another bonus , this would disincent large profitable companies from trying to break into a market regardless of early losses , since revenue would expose their profits from other business lines to further taxes .
Why should Microsoft get to suffer huge losses on the XBox for years and years just because their a monopolist in other markets ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps it's just time to give up the sham of profit locality.Corporations have been manipulating their balance sheets via bogus sales/transfers between subsidiaries for years.If a corporation gets 90\% of revenue from US based sales, perhaps the US should get to tax 90\% of the global profit.Another bonus, this would disincent large profitable companies from trying to break into a market regardless of early losses, since revenue would expose their profits from other business lines to further taxes.
Why should Microsoft get to suffer huge losses on the XBox for years and years just because their a monopolist in other markets?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233167</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>GooberToo</author>
	<datestamp>1244304660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tell that to the IRS. Until the IRS is dismantled, insightful = uninformed or ignorant. I'm sure millions of US taxpayers are relieved to know they no longer are paying taxes. Even more so, I'm sure the self-employed are also happy to hear this nears.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell that to the IRS .
Until the IRS is dismantled , insightful = uninformed or ignorant .
I 'm sure millions of US taxpayers are relieved to know they no longer are paying taxes .
Even more so , I 'm sure the self-employed are also happy to hear this nears .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell that to the IRS.
Until the IRS is dismantled, insightful = uninformed or ignorant.
I'm sure millions of US taxpayers are relieved to know they no longer are paying taxes.
Even more so, I'm sure the self-employed are also happy to hear this nears.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232379</id>
	<title>Bye</title>
	<author>mbone</author>
	<datestamp>1244299500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See ya. Send us a post card once you get settled down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See ya .
Send us a post card once you get settled down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See ya.
Send us a post card once you get settled down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234681</id>
	<title>DO IT FAGGOT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244314980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>n/t</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>n/t</tokentext>
<sentencetext>n/t</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236281</id>
	<title>What the headline should be</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244281740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>US Threatens to Nationalize Microsoft.<br> <br>

Why doesn't the US quit dumping money into the Microsoft hole. Instead, the US could nationalize and open source Windows and Office. Let what's left of Microsoft take the Xbox and keyboards to Ireland, see what they can do with that. Fuck Ballmer's threats.</htmltext>
<tokenext>US Threatens to Nationalize Microsoft .
Why does n't the US quit dumping money into the Microsoft hole .
Instead , the US could nationalize and open source Windows and Office .
Let what 's left of Microsoft take the Xbox and keyboards to Ireland , see what they can do with that .
Fuck Ballmer 's threats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>US Threatens to Nationalize Microsoft.
Why doesn't the US quit dumping money into the Microsoft hole.
Instead, the US could nationalize and open source Windows and Office.
Let what's left of Microsoft take the Xbox and keyboards to Ireland, see what they can do with that.
Fuck Ballmer's threats.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28240295</id>
	<title>But it is what the Dem's promised</title>
	<author>algoa456</author>
	<datestamp>1244375520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's Ballmer's problem?  He and Microsoft donated to the Obama and Dem campaign and now as they deliver on their pre-election promises Ballmer is unhappy.  Perhaps he did not believe Obama</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's Ballmer 's problem ?
He and Microsoft donated to the Obama and Dem campaign and now as they deliver on their pre-election promises Ballmer is unhappy .
Perhaps he did not believe Obama</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's Ballmer's problem?
He and Microsoft donated to the Obama and Dem campaign and now as they deliver on their pre-election promises Ballmer is unhappy.
Perhaps he did not believe Obama</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232963</id>
	<title>Going Galt</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244303580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's called going Galt and expect to see a lot more of it.  Look at NY, passed the millionaires tax and Limbaugh and Tom Galisano left the state.  As Princess Leia once said, &#226;oeThe more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.&#226;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's called going Galt and expect to see a lot more of it .
Look at NY , passed the millionaires tax and Limbaugh and Tom Galisano left the state .
As Princess Leia once said ,   oeThe more you tighten your grip , Tarkin , the more star systems will slip through your fingers.  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's called going Galt and expect to see a lot more of it.
Look at NY, passed the millionaires tax and Limbaugh and Tom Galisano left the state.
As Princess Leia once said, âoeThe more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.â</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235265</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244318760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since larger corporations tend to have the resources to expliot loopholes in tax codes and take advantage of tax havens their collective actions unfairly skews tax burdon twoard smaller companies without such capabilities.  Wanting to fix the system so that it gives everyone the same chance is a good thing all-around IMHO.</p><p>Screw all those taxes and regulation.   I for one welcome the air in my backyard resembling that of Beijing and paying $50 for a lightbulb because the three remaining lighting companies are legally allowed to establish price fixing agreements with impunity.</p><p>Ballmer et al is a fricking moron for "publically" complaining about closure of tax havens.  As a business owner I understand his reasons for looking out for #1 but public statements to that effect will only generate bad PR for MS which will *NOT* sell any more copies of Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since larger corporations tend to have the resources to expliot loopholes in tax codes and take advantage of tax havens their collective actions unfairly skews tax burdon twoard smaller companies without such capabilities .
Wanting to fix the system so that it gives everyone the same chance is a good thing all-around IMHO.Screw all those taxes and regulation .
I for one welcome the air in my backyard resembling that of Beijing and paying $ 50 for a lightbulb because the three remaining lighting companies are legally allowed to establish price fixing agreements with impunity.Ballmer et al is a fricking moron for " publically " complaining about closure of tax havens .
As a business owner I understand his reasons for looking out for # 1 but public statements to that effect will only generate bad PR for MS which will * NOT * sell any more copies of Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since larger corporations tend to have the resources to expliot loopholes in tax codes and take advantage of tax havens their collective actions unfairly skews tax burdon twoard smaller companies without such capabilities.
Wanting to fix the system so that it gives everyone the same chance is a good thing all-around IMHO.Screw all those taxes and regulation.
I for one welcome the air in my backyard resembling that of Beijing and paying $50 for a lightbulb because the three remaining lighting companies are legally allowed to establish price fixing agreements with impunity.Ballmer et al is a fricking moron for "publically" complaining about closure of tax havens.
As a business owner I understand his reasons for looking out for #1 but public statements to that effect will only generate bad PR for MS which will *NOT* sell any more copies of Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234073</id>
	<title>Great, move MS out of the US</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244310240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please, go.</p><p>If that's their attitude and they do pull that sort of stunt, I think they should be forced to delist from NASDAQ completely and be stripped of their incorporation in the US. Let them reincorporate offshore and get an new IPO in an overseas market. Let's see what their shareholders say then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please , go.If that 's their attitude and they do pull that sort of stunt , I think they should be forced to delist from NASDAQ completely and be stripped of their incorporation in the US .
Let them reincorporate offshore and get an new IPO in an overseas market .
Let 's see what their shareholders say then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please, go.If that's their attitude and they do pull that sort of stunt, I think they should be forced to delist from NASDAQ completely and be stripped of their incorporation in the US.
Let them reincorporate offshore and get an new IPO in an overseas market.
Let's see what their shareholders say then.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28239975</id>
	<title>Re:Pure FUD.</title>
	<author>RightSaidFred99</author>
	<datestamp>1244369220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, you're just stupid.  That's all.</p><p>He's not saying they're going to up and pull up stakes and move out of the US overnight.  He's saying over time it will become less and less profitable to do business from the US so more and more of their business will be moved overseas.</p><p>You whiny bitches can complain about "evil corporations" and "Micr0$haft" or whatever you kids call them these days, but the fact remains that will be a lot of jobs moving out of the US.  Current jobs and potential future jobs.  And it won't be just Microsoft.  But then, you and your Obamessiah are too stupid to really understand anything like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you 're just stupid .
That 's all.He 's not saying they 're going to up and pull up stakes and move out of the US overnight .
He 's saying over time it will become less and less profitable to do business from the US so more and more of their business will be moved overseas.You whiny bitches can complain about " evil corporations " and " Micr0 $ haft " or whatever you kids call them these days , but the fact remains that will be a lot of jobs moving out of the US .
Current jobs and potential future jobs .
And it wo n't be just Microsoft .
But then , you and your Obamessiah are too stupid to really understand anything like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you're just stupid.
That's all.He's not saying they're going to up and pull up stakes and move out of the US overnight.
He's saying over time it will become less and less profitable to do business from the US so more and more of their business will be moved overseas.You whiny bitches can complain about "evil corporations" and "Micr0$haft" or whatever you kids call them these days, but the fact remains that will be a lot of jobs moving out of the US.
Current jobs and potential future jobs.
And it won't be just Microsoft.
But then, you and your Obamessiah are too stupid to really understand anything like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232475</id>
	<title>Please wipe up those sweat puddles on your way out</title>
	<author>jeffb (2.718)</author>
	<datestamp>1244300280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...here's a towel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...here 's a towel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...here's a towel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233549</id>
	<title>yep, no more MS in government</title>
	<author>ErkDemon</author>
	<datestamp>1244306820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Or, how will US government (e.g. its military) view the idea of using a 'foreign' OS?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Absolutely.
</p><p>
If Microsoft moves their jobs out of the US, the US government and military should decide that there's no longer a good reason <i>not</i> to announce a new long-term strategy of migrating all new systems and system upgrades to open-source by default, whenever there's not a good reason to do otherwise. Microsoft will cease to be a strategic US company with the governmental&amp;CIA support that goes with that status. Pres. Obama can announce the strategic move to open source as part of his cuts programme for eliminating wasteful government spending, and declare that part of the new US healthcare initiative is the condition that the main software that runs the system be open-source.
</p><p>
It sounds like a sensible populist move - an accountant can probably calculate how many copies of Windows there are in use in the US governement and military and estimate how much the US taxpayer spends per year on buying proprietary operating systems and office software<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and that big number (or a proportion of it) can be announced as an immediate saving for next year onwards, without the White House having to do a thing except issue a couple of federal directives and notifying state governments that they're expected to follow suit.
</p><p>
The only reason not to do that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//now//, is that Microsoft would cry foul and complain that the decision would hurt a flagship US company and cost US jobs. But if the jobs have already been moved out of the US, and the company is currently so successful partly becuase they channel so much paperwork to a foreign tax haven to avoid paying US taxes, then really, who's really being protected other than the company's owners?
</p><p>
If MS move those jobs out of the US, then fuck them. Seriously. Fuck them. Default patriotic behaviour then switches from supporting them to making sure that they're penalised for trying to screw the society that made them successful. Eliminate all US government money that's going their way, as soon as possible, and divert it to people who actually need it, or who are actually trying to make a positive difference to the US economy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or , how will US government ( e.g .
its military ) view the idea of using a 'foreign ' OS ?
Absolutely . If Microsoft moves their jobs out of the US , the US government and military should decide that there 's no longer a good reason not to announce a new long-term strategy of migrating all new systems and system upgrades to open-source by default , whenever there 's not a good reason to do otherwise .
Microsoft will cease to be a strategic US company with the governmental&amp;CIA support that goes with that status .
Pres. Obama can announce the strategic move to open source as part of his cuts programme for eliminating wasteful government spending , and declare that part of the new US healthcare initiative is the condition that the main software that runs the system be open-source .
It sounds like a sensible populist move - an accountant can probably calculate how many copies of Windows there are in use in the US governement and military and estimate how much the US taxpayer spends per year on buying proprietary operating systems and office software ... and that big number ( or a proportion of it ) can be announced as an immediate saving for next year onwards , without the White House having to do a thing except issue a couple of federal directives and notifying state governments that they 're expected to follow suit .
The only reason not to do that //now// , is that Microsoft would cry foul and complain that the decision would hurt a flagship US company and cost US jobs .
But if the jobs have already been moved out of the US , and the company is currently so successful partly becuase they channel so much paperwork to a foreign tax haven to avoid paying US taxes , then really , who 's really being protected other than the company 's owners ?
If MS move those jobs out of the US , then fuck them .
Seriously. Fuck them .
Default patriotic behaviour then switches from supporting them to making sure that they 're penalised for trying to screw the society that made them successful .
Eliminate all US government money that 's going their way , as soon as possible , and divert it to people who actually need it , or who are actually trying to make a positive difference to the US economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or, how will US government (e.g.
its military) view the idea of using a 'foreign' OS?
Absolutely.

If Microsoft moves their jobs out of the US, the US government and military should decide that there's no longer a good reason not to announce a new long-term strategy of migrating all new systems and system upgrades to open-source by default, whenever there's not a good reason to do otherwise.
Microsoft will cease to be a strategic US company with the governmental&amp;CIA support that goes with that status.
Pres. Obama can announce the strategic move to open source as part of his cuts programme for eliminating wasteful government spending, and declare that part of the new US healthcare initiative is the condition that the main software that runs the system be open-source.
It sounds like a sensible populist move - an accountant can probably calculate how many copies of Windows there are in use in the US governement and military and estimate how much the US taxpayer spends per year on buying proprietary operating systems and office software ... and that big number (or a proportion of it) can be announced as an immediate saving for next year onwards, without the White House having to do a thing except issue a couple of federal directives and notifying state governments that they're expected to follow suit.
The only reason not to do that //now//, is that Microsoft would cry foul and complain that the decision would hurt a flagship US company and cost US jobs.
But if the jobs have already been moved out of the US, and the company is currently so successful partly becuase they channel so much paperwork to a foreign tax haven to avoid paying US taxes, then really, who's really being protected other than the company's owners?
If MS move those jobs out of the US, then fuck them.
Seriously. Fuck them.
Default patriotic behaviour then switches from supporting them to making sure that they're penalised for trying to screw the society that made them successful.
Eliminate all US government money that's going their way, as soon as possible, and divert it to people who actually need it, or who are actually trying to make a positive difference to the US economy.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232345</id>
	<title>Quick!</title>
	<author>nih</author>
	<datestamp>1244299260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everybody hide their chairs!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everybody hide their chairs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everybody hide their chairs!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232949</id>
	<title>Fair is fair</title>
	<author>whiledo</author>
	<datestamp>1244303460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, you decide it's too expensive to continue to pay American taxes, that's fine.</p><p>BTW, we've decided it's too expensive to continue to enforce your copyright on Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , you decide it 's too expensive to continue to pay American taxes , that 's fine.BTW , we 've decided it 's too expensive to continue to enforce your copyright on Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, you decide it's too expensive to continue to pay American taxes, that's fine.BTW, we've decided it's too expensive to continue to enforce your copyright on Windows.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232921</id>
	<title>Translation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244303280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Wahhh!!!! We at M$ don't feel like having to pay taxes we just want to force every manufacturer to use our OS and force every consumer to use out browser and if we can't do that we will hold our breath until you let us!"</p><p>I say we all move to Linux and tell M$ "Bye by</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Wahhh ! ! ! !
We at M $ do n't feel like having to pay taxes we just want to force every manufacturer to use our OS and force every consumer to use out browser and if we ca n't do that we will hold our breath until you let us !
" I say we all move to Linux and tell M $ " Bye by</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Wahhh!!!!
We at M$ don't feel like having to pay taxes we just want to force every manufacturer to use our OS and force every consumer to use out browser and if we can't do that we will hold our breath until you let us!
"I say we all move to Linux and tell M$ "Bye by</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233289</id>
	<title>Re:WTF?!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can call it greed (and you're probably right), but honestly, this is going to happen with a lot of big companies and will ultimately do more harm than good. If a company has 80\% of it's resources overseas and 20\% in the US (as many colossal companies do), what do you think they're going to do? Pay taxes on that 80\% or just move the 20\% elsewhere? The US is going to LOSE more tax revenue than it's going to gain.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can call it greed ( and you 're probably right ) , but honestly , this is going to happen with a lot of big companies and will ultimately do more harm than good .
If a company has 80 \ % of it 's resources overseas and 20 \ % in the US ( as many colossal companies do ) , what do you think they 're going to do ?
Pay taxes on that 80 \ % or just move the 20 \ % elsewhere ?
The US is going to LOSE more tax revenue than it 's going to gain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can call it greed (and you're probably right), but honestly, this is going to happen with a lot of big companies and will ultimately do more harm than good.
If a company has 80\% of it's resources overseas and 20\% in the US (as many colossal companies do), what do you think they're going to do?
Pay taxes on that 80\% or just move the 20\% elsewhere?
The US is going to LOSE more tax revenue than it's going to gain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233917</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244309160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Corporations must pay tax or leave. A corporation that doesn't pay tax is leeching resources from others.</p><p>Any attempt to lower the taxes that corporations pay is un-patriotic. Taxing corporations makes more sense than individuals. Corporations have armies of accountants. Individuals don't.</p><p>Why are corporations wanting exemption from tax? Its simply because they are willing to try ANYTHING to reduce their costs to zero while increasing profits to infinity.  Microsoft is a perfect example of this. They directly benefit from US laws yet store vast quantities of cash overseas. A supposedly US company. So patriotic they don't want to pay their share of taxes.</p><p>If they want the benefits then they MUST pay the costs.</p><p>This is why corporations MUST be taxed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Corporations must pay tax or leave .
A corporation that does n't pay tax is leeching resources from others.Any attempt to lower the taxes that corporations pay is un-patriotic .
Taxing corporations makes more sense than individuals .
Corporations have armies of accountants .
Individuals do n't.Why are corporations wanting exemption from tax ?
Its simply because they are willing to try ANYTHING to reduce their costs to zero while increasing profits to infinity .
Microsoft is a perfect example of this .
They directly benefit from US laws yet store vast quantities of cash overseas .
A supposedly US company .
So patriotic they do n't want to pay their share of taxes.If they want the benefits then they MUST pay the costs.This is why corporations MUST be taxed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Corporations must pay tax or leave.
A corporation that doesn't pay tax is leeching resources from others.Any attempt to lower the taxes that corporations pay is un-patriotic.
Taxing corporations makes more sense than individuals.
Corporations have armies of accountants.
Individuals don't.Why are corporations wanting exemption from tax?
Its simply because they are willing to try ANYTHING to reduce their costs to zero while increasing profits to infinity.
Microsoft is a perfect example of this.
They directly benefit from US laws yet store vast quantities of cash overseas.
A supposedly US company.
So patriotic they don't want to pay their share of taxes.If they want the benefits then they MUST pay the costs.This is why corporations MUST be taxed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233183</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>numbski</author>
	<datestamp>1244304720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where's my -1 "Bot Response" button?  Ugh.  This same response, littered all over the comments...and it isn't even true!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where 's my -1 " Bot Response " button ?
Ugh. This same response , littered all over the comments...and it is n't even true !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where's my -1 "Bot Response" button?
Ugh.  This same response, littered all over the comments...and it isn't even true!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232237</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232395</id>
	<title>In makes you wonder</title>
	<author>Lex-Man82</author>
	<datestamp>1244299560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It makes you wonder if they are happy enough to pay their EU fines without to much fuss and threatening to move there EU based developments back to the US how much tax dodging are they doing?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes you wonder if they are happy enough to pay their EU fines without to much fuss and threatening to move there EU based developments back to the US how much tax dodging are they doing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes you wonder if they are happy enough to pay their EU fines without to much fuss and threatening to move there EU based developments back to the US how much tax dodging are they doing?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236001</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>TheoMurpse</author>
	<datestamp>1244279880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>minimal tax<br>strong protection from the government</p></div></blockquote><p>I'm not sure how those are simultaneously possible.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>minimal taxstrong protection from the governmentI 'm not sure how those are simultaneously possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>minimal taxstrong protection from the governmentI'm not sure how those are simultaneously possible.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232907</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>temcat</author>
	<datestamp>1244303160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, like a corporation doesn't have customers buying its goods.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , like a corporation does n't have customers buying its goods .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, like a corporation doesn't have customers buying its goods.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232559</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Krneki</author>
	<datestamp>1244300760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They still pay an income tax.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They still pay an income tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They still pay an income tax.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232237</id>
	<title>But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>morgan\_greywolf</author>
	<datestamp>1244298300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Corporations don't pay tax.  Not really.  They pass on that tax to their customers.  Ultimately, it is the consumer that pays the tax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Corporations do n't pay tax .
Not really .
They pass on that tax to their customers .
Ultimately , it is the consumer that pays the tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Corporations don't pay tax.
Not really.
They pass on that tax to their customers.
Ultimately, it is the consumer that pays the tax.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232433</id>
	<title>Don't let the door hit you on the ass</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1244299920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>MS will never do it. American is their biggest friendliest market. Just look at the 360, outside of the US, it's pretty much a non-event and part of me think's America's love for MS has to do with patriotism.
<br> <br>
MS does not have the balls to piss off their largest group of consumers and if they did, the government and turn around and start using a Linux distro developed by Americans (they should  be doing this anyway) and MS will not go for that. They'd lose far more than they would by Obama fixing the tax loopholes.
<br> <br>
So he can make empty threats all he wants. The gov should just tell him to fuck off to Ireland.</htmltext>
<tokenext>MS will never do it .
American is their biggest friendliest market .
Just look at the 360 , outside of the US , it 's pretty much a non-event and part of me think 's America 's love for MS has to do with patriotism .
MS does not have the balls to piss off their largest group of consumers and if they did , the government and turn around and start using a Linux distro developed by Americans ( they should be doing this anyway ) and MS will not go for that .
They 'd lose far more than they would by Obama fixing the tax loopholes .
So he can make empty threats all he wants .
The gov should just tell him to fuck off to Ireland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS will never do it.
American is their biggest friendliest market.
Just look at the 360, outside of the US, it's pretty much a non-event and part of me think's America's love for MS has to do with patriotism.
MS does not have the balls to piss off their largest group of consumers and if they did, the government and turn around and start using a Linux distro developed by Americans (they should  be doing this anyway) and MS will not go for that.
They'd lose far more than they would by Obama fixing the tax loopholes.
So he can make empty threats all he wants.
The gov should just tell him to fuck off to Ireland.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233075</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>whiledo</author>
	<datestamp>1244304180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your comment might be taken more seriously if you weren't making it about a company that makes an average of $14 billion in <b>pure profit</b> per year with an average profit margin of 25\% across all its revenue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your comment might be taken more seriously if you were n't making it about a company that makes an average of $ 14 billion in pure profit per year with an average profit margin of 25 \ % across all its revenue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your comment might be taken more seriously if you weren't making it about a company that makes an average of $14 billion in pure profit per year with an average profit margin of 25\% across all its revenue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232869</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1244302860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Corporations don't pay tax. Not really. They pass on that tax to their customers. Ultimately, it is the consumer that pays the tax.</p></div><p>People keep saying this but then why does Microsoft care so much? It's not like they have any compition or don't already charge ungodly for their OS. So why would paying more taxes make them want to move? Riddle me that batman.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Corporations do n't pay tax .
Not really .
They pass on that tax to their customers .
Ultimately , it is the consumer that pays the tax.People keep saying this but then why does Microsoft care so much ?
It 's not like they have any compition or do n't already charge ungodly for their OS .
So why would paying more taxes make them want to move ?
Riddle me that batman .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Corporations don't pay tax.
Not really.
They pass on that tax to their customers.
Ultimately, it is the consumer that pays the tax.People keep saying this but then why does Microsoft care so much?
It's not like they have any compition or don't already charge ungodly for their OS.
So why would paying more taxes make them want to move?
Riddle me that batman.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233891</id>
	<title>My friend "works" at microsoft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244308980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My pal was a contract employee at the SQL division at M$. He stated that the majority of the employees didn't work over there and spent most of their time fooling around. He hated it and is now going to graduate school at the UW for math. Maybe if M$ inspired their employees to actually work on interesting projects and innovate, then they could afford to pay their taxes and actually compete with google and apple without using their bloat, platform dominance,and shady business practices to stay in the game. Maybe that's wishful thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My pal was a contract employee at the SQL division at M $ .
He stated that the majority of the employees did n't work over there and spent most of their time fooling around .
He hated it and is now going to graduate school at the UW for math .
Maybe if M $ inspired their employees to actually work on interesting projects and innovate , then they could afford to pay their taxes and actually compete with google and apple without using their bloat , platform dominance,and shady business practices to stay in the game .
Maybe that 's wishful thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My pal was a contract employee at the SQL division at M$.
He stated that the majority of the employees didn't work over there and spent most of their time fooling around.
He hated it and is now going to graduate school at the UW for math.
Maybe if M$ inspired their employees to actually work on interesting projects and innovate, then they could afford to pay their taxes and actually compete with google and apple without using their bloat, platform dominance,and shady business practices to stay in the game.
Maybe that's wishful thinking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232245</id>
	<title>Clueless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244298420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MS would not be about to get visas for other countries. Most Americans generally don't like to know about the rest or the world, let alone live there. Sod off yourself though, dancing monkey fat boy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS would not be about to get visas for other countries .
Most Americans generally do n't like to know about the rest or the world , let alone live there .
Sod off yourself though , dancing monkey fat boy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS would not be about to get visas for other countries.
Most Americans generally don't like to know about the rest or the world, let alone live there.
Sod off yourself though, dancing monkey fat boy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233817</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>paulpach</author>
	<datestamp>1244308500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
According to your argument, it is the people who suffer the most of these taxes. I don't know about you, but I don't think this is a good thing.
</p><p>
But there is also another issue, US taxes profits overseas as opposed to most other countries that have territorial taxes, and it is extremely high. that means that an american company has a huge disadvantage against a company from other country that does not charge taxes earned outside.
</p><p>
Moreover, the US is a tax heaven itself, it does not charge taxes to any foreign company doing business here. If we do not want to be hipocrits, and we want the foreign countries to stop being tax heavens, so should we. This means that we are simply going to loose a ton of business to more competitive countries.
</p><p>
Please see <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTXiadVpS4M&amp;feature=channel" title="youtube.com"> this excellent video </a> [youtube.com] analyzing the moral and economic issues with going after tax heavens.
</p><p>
The real solution is not to go after the tax heavens, the real solution is to lower the taxes here to give an incentive for companies to do business here and not outside
</p><p>
I realize this is slashdot, which tends to have a socialist view, and we are talking about *evil* microsoft, so there is no convincing people here, but this reasoning does not only apply to microsoft, a lot of companies (the ones that can) will simply pack up and leave.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to your argument , it is the people who suffer the most of these taxes .
I do n't know about you , but I do n't think this is a good thing .
But there is also another issue , US taxes profits overseas as opposed to most other countries that have territorial taxes , and it is extremely high .
that means that an american company has a huge disadvantage against a company from other country that does not charge taxes earned outside .
Moreover , the US is a tax heaven itself , it does not charge taxes to any foreign company doing business here .
If we do not want to be hipocrits , and we want the foreign countries to stop being tax heavens , so should we .
This means that we are simply going to loose a ton of business to more competitive countries .
Please see this excellent video [ youtube.com ] analyzing the moral and economic issues with going after tax heavens .
The real solution is not to go after the tax heavens , the real solution is to lower the taxes here to give an incentive for companies to do business here and not outside I realize this is slashdot , which tends to have a socialist view , and we are talking about * evil * microsoft , so there is no convincing people here , but this reasoning does not only apply to microsoft , a lot of companies ( the ones that can ) will simply pack up and leave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
According to your argument, it is the people who suffer the most of these taxes.
I don't know about you, but I don't think this is a good thing.
But there is also another issue, US taxes profits overseas as opposed to most other countries that have territorial taxes, and it is extremely high.
that means that an american company has a huge disadvantage against a company from other country that does not charge taxes earned outside.
Moreover, the US is a tax heaven itself, it does not charge taxes to any foreign company doing business here.
If we do not want to be hipocrits, and we want the foreign countries to stop being tax heavens, so should we.
This means that we are simply going to loose a ton of business to more competitive countries.
Please see  this excellent video  [youtube.com] analyzing the moral and economic issues with going after tax heavens.
The real solution is not to go after the tax heavens, the real solution is to lower the taxes here to give an incentive for companies to do business here and not outside

I realize this is slashdot, which tends to have a socialist view, and we are talking about *evil* microsoft, so there is no convincing people here, but this reasoning does not only apply to microsoft, a lot of companies (the ones that can) will simply pack up and leave.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232417</id>
	<title>Re:Not very bright...</title>
	<author>DoninIN</author>
	<datestamp>1244299800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>True, the US government doesn't stand a chance against Microsoft, I thought we'd been through this before? We'll end up with an Uber Enterprise zone with 0\% taxes on anything and legalized murder if Balmer signs off on it and this zone will consist of the redmond campus only. Also Google will be found to be a hurtful monopoly and bombed, but only after they can get Live search to actually find anything at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>True , the US government does n't stand a chance against Microsoft , I thought we 'd been through this before ?
We 'll end up with an Uber Enterprise zone with 0 \ % taxes on anything and legalized murder if Balmer signs off on it and this zone will consist of the redmond campus only .
Also Google will be found to be a hurtful monopoly and bombed , but only after they can get Live search to actually find anything at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True, the US government doesn't stand a chance against Microsoft, I thought we'd been through this before?
We'll end up with an Uber Enterprise zone with 0\% taxes on anything and legalized murder if Balmer signs off on it and this zone will consist of the redmond campus only.
Also Google will be found to be a hurtful monopoly and bombed, but only after they can get Live search to actually find anything at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28239215</id>
	<title>Just go</title>
	<author>dave87656</author>
	<datestamp>1244311380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just go, Steve, and when you there, watch how the US finally revives the anti-trust suit against MS and restores real competition and innovation in the software market. We've got a govt which is starting to act like it's "for the people" and not for the campaign contributors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just go , Steve , and when you there , watch how the US finally revives the anti-trust suit against MS and restores real competition and innovation in the software market .
We 've got a govt which is starting to act like it 's " for the people " and not for the campaign contributors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just go, Steve, and when you there, watch how the US finally revives the anti-trust suit against MS and restores real competition and innovation in the software market.
We've got a govt which is starting to act like it's "for the people" and not for the campaign contributors.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233175</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>MLS100</author>
	<datestamp>1244304660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A good point, however, fighting piracy supposedly increases spending since the pirates can't free-ride, which means more tax dollars; so both sides have a vested interest in that.</p><p>In this case, the tax revenue from MS is still substantial, so Uncle Sam is probably better off with them here than overseas. Whether MS would be better off overseas is unclear.</p><p>Who will blink first?</p><p>Maybe the government can fight back by hinting at tariffs on software imports if they go overseas? I'm sure US sales are a significant portion of MS's revenue.</p><p>Anyone know of a similar occurrence in recent history (obviously won't be of this magnitude)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A good point , however , fighting piracy supposedly increases spending since the pirates ca n't free-ride , which means more tax dollars ; so both sides have a vested interest in that.In this case , the tax revenue from MS is still substantial , so Uncle Sam is probably better off with them here than overseas .
Whether MS would be better off overseas is unclear.Who will blink first ? Maybe the government can fight back by hinting at tariffs on software imports if they go overseas ?
I 'm sure US sales are a significant portion of MS 's revenue.Anyone know of a similar occurrence in recent history ( obviously wo n't be of this magnitude ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A good point, however, fighting piracy supposedly increases spending since the pirates can't free-ride, which means more tax dollars; so both sides have a vested interest in that.In this case, the tax revenue from MS is still substantial, so Uncle Sam is probably better off with them here than overseas.
Whether MS would be better off overseas is unclear.Who will blink first?Maybe the government can fight back by hinting at tariffs on software imports if they go overseas?
I'm sure US sales are a significant portion of MS's revenue.Anyone know of a similar occurrence in recent history (obviously won't be of this magnitude)?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232387</id>
	<title>Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244299560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The U.S. is becoming increasingly hostile toward business.  I certainly wouldn't blame Microsoft, Google, Intel or any big company for leaving the U.S. if they can find a country that does not view them as a cash cow, does not attack them with anti-trust, and does not punish their energy-use with cap and trade.</p><p>A smart country could displace the U.S. as the economic leader in the world by recognizing and protecting the liberties required for individuals and companies to survive and prosper.  If there were a country with minimal tax, strong protection from the government, freedom to think and act - I know I would move there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The U.S. is becoming increasingly hostile toward business .
I certainly would n't blame Microsoft , Google , Intel or any big company for leaving the U.S. if they can find a country that does not view them as a cash cow , does not attack them with anti-trust , and does not punish their energy-use with cap and trade.A smart country could displace the U.S. as the economic leader in the world by recognizing and protecting the liberties required for individuals and companies to survive and prosper .
If there were a country with minimal tax , strong protection from the government , freedom to think and act - I know I would move there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The U.S. is becoming increasingly hostile toward business.
I certainly wouldn't blame Microsoft, Google, Intel or any big company for leaving the U.S. if they can find a country that does not view them as a cash cow, does not attack them with anti-trust, and does not punish their energy-use with cap and trade.A smart country could displace the U.S. as the economic leader in the world by recognizing and protecting the liberties required for individuals and companies to survive and prosper.
If there were a country with minimal tax, strong protection from the government, freedom to think and act - I know I would move there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233931</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>ekimd</author>
	<datestamp>1244309220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>THANK YOU!  I was starting to feel like the only one in the entire slashdot-world who felt this way.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>THANK YOU !
I was starting to feel like the only one in the entire slashdot-world who felt this way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>THANK YOU!
I was starting to feel like the only one in the entire slashdot-world who felt this way.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233629</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>electrosoccertux</author>
	<datestamp>1244307240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>If they go out of US, to who M$ will complain to prevent unlicensed use of Windows?</p></div><p>It's SO unfair that people pirate our products! We made those products and we deserve our cut damn it!</p><p>It's SO unfair that we have to like obey our nations tax laws!</p><p>Yeah lets go after those that break the laws we like and lets use all our lawyers and accountants to avoid the laws we don't like.</p></div><p>Economics is a-moral. If it's cheaper to move production elsewhere, it will be moved elsewhere. If the result of forcing Microsoft to pay these taxes is an increase in the opportunity cost to them employing US workers past the point where it is worthwhile to move production overseas, they will do it, plain and simple.</p><p>You can parrot morality and fairness all you want but at the end of the day if it's cheaper to do it over there, they will do it over there, end of discussion.</p><p>And this is why taxes are bad.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they go out of US , to who M $ will complain to prevent unlicensed use of Windows ? It 's SO unfair that people pirate our products !
We made those products and we deserve our cut damn it ! It 's SO unfair that we have to like obey our nations tax laws ! Yeah lets go after those that break the laws we like and lets use all our lawyers and accountants to avoid the laws we do n't like.Economics is a-moral .
If it 's cheaper to move production elsewhere , it will be moved elsewhere .
If the result of forcing Microsoft to pay these taxes is an increase in the opportunity cost to them employing US workers past the point where it is worthwhile to move production overseas , they will do it , plain and simple.You can parrot morality and fairness all you want but at the end of the day if it 's cheaper to do it over there , they will do it over there , end of discussion.And this is why taxes are bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they go out of US, to who M$ will complain to prevent unlicensed use of Windows?It's SO unfair that people pirate our products!
We made those products and we deserve our cut damn it!It's SO unfair that we have to like obey our nations tax laws!Yeah lets go after those that break the laws we like and lets use all our lawyers and accountants to avoid the laws we don't like.Economics is a-moral.
If it's cheaper to move production elsewhere, it will be moved elsewhere.
If the result of forcing Microsoft to pay these taxes is an increase in the opportunity cost to them employing US workers past the point where it is worthwhile to move production overseas, they will do it, plain and simple.You can parrot morality and fairness all you want but at the end of the day if it's cheaper to do it over there, they will do it over there, end of discussion.And this is why taxes are bad.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233653</id>
	<title>They won't move.  Maybe a call center.</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1244307480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Microsoft won't move out of the US.  Companies threaten to move if they don't get a tax break all  the time, but few of them do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft wo n't move out of the US .
Companies threaten to move if they do n't get a tax break all the time , but few of them do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Microsoft won't move out of the US.
Companies threaten to move if they don't get a tax break all  the time, but few of them do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28244985</id>
	<title>Amazing When One Becomes to Big for Their Britches</title>
	<author>LifesABeach</author>
	<datestamp>1244375880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What do you say to an American who has made Billions from selling to the American People, and the American Government?  Does the Board of Directors of Microsoft think that this posturing will in any way endear themselves to Americans?  Does Microsoft think that openSource has so little appreciation that Microsoft products are not replaceable?  Maybe the Board of Directors of Microsoft should look a little harder at America's border fence; where it exists.  They'll notice something very unusual about this fence; it's not designed to keep you in.  Microsoft's Board of Directors are not the first people that have left America, and so far the historical record has shown that these "Adam Henrys" have made America better by leaving it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you say to an American who has made Billions from selling to the American People , and the American Government ?
Does the Board of Directors of Microsoft think that this posturing will in any way endear themselves to Americans ?
Does Microsoft think that openSource has so little appreciation that Microsoft products are not replaceable ?
Maybe the Board of Directors of Microsoft should look a little harder at America 's border fence ; where it exists .
They 'll notice something very unusual about this fence ; it 's not designed to keep you in .
Microsoft 's Board of Directors are not the first people that have left America , and so far the historical record has shown that these " Adam Henrys " have made America better by leaving it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you say to an American who has made Billions from selling to the American People, and the American Government?
Does the Board of Directors of Microsoft think that this posturing will in any way endear themselves to Americans?
Does Microsoft think that openSource has so little appreciation that Microsoft products are not replaceable?
Maybe the Board of Directors of Microsoft should look a little harder at America's border fence; where it exists.
They'll notice something very unusual about this fence; it's not designed to keep you in.
Microsoft's Board of Directors are not the first people that have left America, and so far the historical record has shown that these "Adam Henrys" have made America better by leaving it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237635</id>
	<title>This just in: Balmer moves to India</title>
	<author>uassholes</author>
	<datestamp>1244293980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good riddance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good riddance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good riddance.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28243185</id>
	<title>Re:In other words</title>
	<author>mdljunk</author>
	<datestamp>1244404800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right, it's what corporations do.  It's not a Ballmer or Microsoft thing...though this \_is\_ Slashdot, so I guess everything digresses into Microsoft bashing.
<br> <br>
"Forbes reports that Google has joined the ranks of Microsoft, Dell, Intel and others who are reducing their tax rates dramatically by crediting profits to new Irish operations. Ireland offers a tax exemption on patent income and a rock-bottom corporate tax rate of 12.5\%, compared to 35\% in the US."
[ <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051214/1541223\_F.shtml" title="techdirt.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051214/1541223\_F.shtml</a> [techdirt.com] ]
<br> <br>
I'd bet many other multinational companies do this as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , it 's what corporations do .
It 's not a Ballmer or Microsoft thing...though this \ _is \ _ Slashdot , so I guess everything digresses into Microsoft bashing .
" Forbes reports that Google has joined the ranks of Microsoft , Dell , Intel and others who are reducing their tax rates dramatically by crediting profits to new Irish operations .
Ireland offers a tax exemption on patent income and a rock-bottom corporate tax rate of 12.5 \ % , compared to 35 \ % in the US .
" [ http : //www.techdirt.com/articles/20051214/1541223 \ _F.shtml [ techdirt.com ] ] I 'd bet many other multinational companies do this as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, it's what corporations do.
It's not a Ballmer or Microsoft thing...though this \_is\_ Slashdot, so I guess everything digresses into Microsoft bashing.
"Forbes reports that Google has joined the ranks of Microsoft, Dell, Intel and others who are reducing their tax rates dramatically by crediting profits to new Irish operations.
Ireland offers a tax exemption on patent income and a rock-bottom corporate tax rate of 12.5\%, compared to 35\% in the US.
"
[ http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051214/1541223\_F.shtml [techdirt.com] ]
 
I'd bet many other multinational companies do this as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232211</id>
	<title>And I'm threatening..</title>
	<author>NervousNerd</author>
	<datestamp>1244298120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>And I'm threatening to move to Linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And I 'm threatening to move to Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I'm threatening to move to Linux.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235701</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1244321220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, apart from the education, the roads, intellectual achievement, scientific progress, firefighting, military protection, insurance benefits, fair markets, public order, and public health, what has the government ever done for us?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , apart from the education , the roads , intellectual achievement , scientific progress , firefighting , military protection , insurance benefits , fair markets , public order , and public health , what has the government ever done for us ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, apart from the education, the roads, intellectual achievement, scientific progress, firefighting, military protection, insurance benefits, fair markets, public order, and public health, what has the government ever done for us?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233191</id>
	<title>Enjoy...</title>
	<author>ponraul</author>
	<datestamp>1244304720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Enjoy the audit this year, Steve.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Enjoy the audit this year , Steve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Enjoy the audit this year, Steve.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28240023</id>
	<title>Apple / Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244370240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm sound like this could be good for Apple and Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm sound like this could be good for Apple and Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm sound like this could be good for Apple and Linux.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28239605</id>
	<title>Interesting</title>
	<author>jkeelsnc</author>
	<datestamp>1244317920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I at least took the time to read many of the posts (though I hardly have time to read all of them).  I will be calm and intelligent in my response.  First off, if a company is truly evading taxes in an illegal way then they need to be visited by a court with judges who will apply the law accurately.  You may interpret that anyway you want.  Secondly, Even in my strategic management course in a reputable college of business we talk about corporate governance and corporate responsibility.  From what I am reading in our text as well as the lectures from our professor I can tell you that mostly the idiots who watch the Faux news channel and who want the lowest possible taxes are the ones who (for the most part) are the fools.  Every corporation has a responsibility to its stakeholders starting with 1) investors (who have questionable judgement though) 2) employees 3) customers and 4) communities (this includes citizens of a town or state and the government in said locations).

So on this basis a company that simply avoids taxes and then threatens to move his operations overseas is no better than Kim Jong Il threatening with his finger on the button every time he wants to scare the west.  IN this case, Ballmer may do it.  But don't get any idea that he is anything more than an overgrown child.  His behavior proves that.  Additionally, this is the same man that is known for throwing chairs in his office when he gets mad and having temper tantrums when things don't go his way.  It seems that he is a man child having a fit due to Microsoft's recently reported lower revenue.  Like Detroit, they have no one to blame but themselves.  Not unions, not government, none of that.  It boils down to the executives and the board of directors and also a bunch of avarice filled myopic investors who care more about every penny they can get now rather than long term profitability.  Additionally, it must be said that microsoft losing sales due to problems with Vista is additionally their own problem.  They released an OS that later became acceptable but during the first year they expected customers to keep buying an OS that was not ready.

Ballmer and M$ are not taking responsibility here.  If Ballmer cannot adjust their business model to survive then perhaps the shareholders should vote him off the board and put someone in his seat less prone to temper tantrums and childish outbreaks of insanity.  I think it is a common problem among corporate execs these days.  They seem to feel entitled to private jets, $200,000 cars, etc.  There are plenty of people who feel entitled to things including sometimes people in poverty.  The difference here is that the impact of Microsoft's decisions are far greater reaching than those of someone in the middle of detroit, DC, Atlanta, LA, NYC, etc.  Not that those individual decisions as a collective aren't a drag (they are).  However, in this case Ballmer sets a bad example which is "I deserve and I will have" which are the hallmarks also of 3rd World Dictators and those who rob banks.

Anyway, that is my patient rant for today.  I am no idiot.  You all need to stop watching faux news and believing the talking heads there.  And additionally it would be advisable to shut off the afternoon AM talk radio while your at it.  There is almost nothing in fact presented from these outlets.

Have a nice day.  Thank you.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I at least took the time to read many of the posts ( though I hardly have time to read all of them ) .
I will be calm and intelligent in my response .
First off , if a company is truly evading taxes in an illegal way then they need to be visited by a court with judges who will apply the law accurately .
You may interpret that anyway you want .
Secondly , Even in my strategic management course in a reputable college of business we talk about corporate governance and corporate responsibility .
From what I am reading in our text as well as the lectures from our professor I can tell you that mostly the idiots who watch the Faux news channel and who want the lowest possible taxes are the ones who ( for the most part ) are the fools .
Every corporation has a responsibility to its stakeholders starting with 1 ) investors ( who have questionable judgement though ) 2 ) employees 3 ) customers and 4 ) communities ( this includes citizens of a town or state and the government in said locations ) .
So on this basis a company that simply avoids taxes and then threatens to move his operations overseas is no better than Kim Jong Il threatening with his finger on the button every time he wants to scare the west .
IN this case , Ballmer may do it .
But do n't get any idea that he is anything more than an overgrown child .
His behavior proves that .
Additionally , this is the same man that is known for throwing chairs in his office when he gets mad and having temper tantrums when things do n't go his way .
It seems that he is a man child having a fit due to Microsoft 's recently reported lower revenue .
Like Detroit , they have no one to blame but themselves .
Not unions , not government , none of that .
It boils down to the executives and the board of directors and also a bunch of avarice filled myopic investors who care more about every penny they can get now rather than long term profitability .
Additionally , it must be said that microsoft losing sales due to problems with Vista is additionally their own problem .
They released an OS that later became acceptable but during the first year they expected customers to keep buying an OS that was not ready .
Ballmer and M $ are not taking responsibility here .
If Ballmer can not adjust their business model to survive then perhaps the shareholders should vote him off the board and put someone in his seat less prone to temper tantrums and childish outbreaks of insanity .
I think it is a common problem among corporate execs these days .
They seem to feel entitled to private jets , $ 200,000 cars , etc .
There are plenty of people who feel entitled to things including sometimes people in poverty .
The difference here is that the impact of Microsoft 's decisions are far greater reaching than those of someone in the middle of detroit , DC , Atlanta , LA , NYC , etc .
Not that those individual decisions as a collective are n't a drag ( they are ) .
However , in this case Ballmer sets a bad example which is " I deserve and I will have " which are the hallmarks also of 3rd World Dictators and those who rob banks .
Anyway , that is my patient rant for today .
I am no idiot .
You all need to stop watching faux news and believing the talking heads there .
And additionally it would be advisable to shut off the afternoon AM talk radio while your at it .
There is almost nothing in fact presented from these outlets .
Have a nice day .
Thank you .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I at least took the time to read many of the posts (though I hardly have time to read all of them).
I will be calm and intelligent in my response.
First off, if a company is truly evading taxes in an illegal way then they need to be visited by a court with judges who will apply the law accurately.
You may interpret that anyway you want.
Secondly, Even in my strategic management course in a reputable college of business we talk about corporate governance and corporate responsibility.
From what I am reading in our text as well as the lectures from our professor I can tell you that mostly the idiots who watch the Faux news channel and who want the lowest possible taxes are the ones who (for the most part) are the fools.
Every corporation has a responsibility to its stakeholders starting with 1) investors (who have questionable judgement though) 2) employees 3) customers and 4) communities (this includes citizens of a town or state and the government in said locations).
So on this basis a company that simply avoids taxes and then threatens to move his operations overseas is no better than Kim Jong Il threatening with his finger on the button every time he wants to scare the west.
IN this case, Ballmer may do it.
But don't get any idea that he is anything more than an overgrown child.
His behavior proves that.
Additionally, this is the same man that is known for throwing chairs in his office when he gets mad and having temper tantrums when things don't go his way.
It seems that he is a man child having a fit due to Microsoft's recently reported lower revenue.
Like Detroit, they have no one to blame but themselves.
Not unions, not government, none of that.
It boils down to the executives and the board of directors and also a bunch of avarice filled myopic investors who care more about every penny they can get now rather than long term profitability.
Additionally, it must be said that microsoft losing sales due to problems with Vista is additionally their own problem.
They released an OS that later became acceptable but during the first year they expected customers to keep buying an OS that was not ready.
Ballmer and M$ are not taking responsibility here.
If Ballmer cannot adjust their business model to survive then perhaps the shareholders should vote him off the board and put someone in his seat less prone to temper tantrums and childish outbreaks of insanity.
I think it is a common problem among corporate execs these days.
They seem to feel entitled to private jets, $200,000 cars, etc.
There are plenty of people who feel entitled to things including sometimes people in poverty.
The difference here is that the impact of Microsoft's decisions are far greater reaching than those of someone in the middle of detroit, DC, Atlanta, LA, NYC, etc.
Not that those individual decisions as a collective aren't a drag (they are).
However, in this case Ballmer sets a bad example which is "I deserve and I will have" which are the hallmarks also of 3rd World Dictators and those who rob banks.
Anyway, that is my patient rant for today.
I am no idiot.
You all need to stop watching faux news and believing the talking heads there.
And additionally it would be advisable to shut off the afternoon AM talk radio while your at it.
There is almost nothing in fact presented from these outlets.
Have a nice day.
Thank you.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232697</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244301600000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, in general companies pass the cost of doing business on to customers. While their prices are dependent on market forces, taxes DO put upward pressure on prices. Take the production of a vehicle as an example. Some economists suggest a $20,000 car would actually cost customers only $12,000 if taxes had not been levied at every stage of its production.</p><p>In the end, the government gets it money and the average consumer pays the bills.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , in general companies pass the cost of doing business on to customers .
While their prices are dependent on market forces , taxes DO put upward pressure on prices .
Take the production of a vehicle as an example .
Some economists suggest a $ 20,000 car would actually cost customers only $ 12,000 if taxes had not been levied at every stage of its production.In the end , the government gets it money and the average consumer pays the bills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, in general companies pass the cost of doing business on to customers.
While their prices are dependent on market forces, taxes DO put upward pressure on prices.
Take the production of a vehicle as an example.
Some economists suggest a $20,000 car would actually cost customers only $12,000 if taxes had not been levied at every stage of its production.In the end, the government gets it money and the average consumer pays the bills.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232567</id>
	<title>US ECONOMY SUFFERS AND WE ASK WHY?</title>
	<author>new2\_60605</author>
	<datestamp>1244300820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The us economy is suffering and major us corporations that make up a majority of the worlds economy avoid paying taxes there by placing the entire burden on individual tax payers to support the country. the same country that creates a free market for them to operate freely and profitably. Instead of supporting the economy in which they need to operate they move funds and jobs offshore. And now people wonder why our economy is in the dumps? The country's number 1 defense contractor Haliburton moved to DUBAI to avoid paying us taxes when in fact the majority of US Taxes are being paid to them for services rendered. On top of that Haliburton does not employ US citezens that would be paying into the US economy in the form of income taxes instead they hire people from Pakistan for cheap and violate their rights all in the name of spreading democracy, peace and 'human' rights... 'human' meaning FAT CAT US EXECS. GROW UP AMERICA our politicians sold us out and now they want us to pay for the service after the sale too...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The us economy is suffering and major us corporations that make up a majority of the worlds economy avoid paying taxes there by placing the entire burden on individual tax payers to support the country .
the same country that creates a free market for them to operate freely and profitably .
Instead of supporting the economy in which they need to operate they move funds and jobs offshore .
And now people wonder why our economy is in the dumps ?
The country 's number 1 defense contractor Haliburton moved to DUBAI to avoid paying us taxes when in fact the majority of US Taxes are being paid to them for services rendered .
On top of that Haliburton does not employ US citezens that would be paying into the US economy in the form of income taxes instead they hire people from Pakistan for cheap and violate their rights all in the name of spreading democracy , peace and 'human ' rights... 'human ' meaning FAT CAT US EXECS .
GROW UP AMERICA our politicians sold us out and now they want us to pay for the service after the sale too.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The us economy is suffering and major us corporations that make up a majority of the worlds economy avoid paying taxes there by placing the entire burden on individual tax payers to support the country.
the same country that creates a free market for them to operate freely and profitably.
Instead of supporting the economy in which they need to operate they move funds and jobs offshore.
And now people wonder why our economy is in the dumps?
The country's number 1 defense contractor Haliburton moved to DUBAI to avoid paying us taxes when in fact the majority of US Taxes are being paid to them for services rendered.
On top of that Haliburton does not employ US citezens that would be paying into the US economy in the form of income taxes instead they hire people from Pakistan for cheap and violate their rights all in the name of spreading democracy, peace and 'human' rights... 'human' meaning FAT CAT US EXECS.
GROW UP AMERICA our politicians sold us out and now they want us to pay for the service after the sale too...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232647</id>
	<title>Re:Ballmer threatens to pull out?</title>
	<author>jfruhlinger</author>
	<datestamp>1244301240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only on Slashdot would this be modded +5 Insightful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only on Slashdot would this be modded + 5 Insightful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only on Slashdot would this be modded +5 Insightful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232591</id>
	<title>Ghee,</title>
	<author>no-body</author>
	<datestamp>1244300940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>what a crook!

Not paying taxes - how unpatriotic - or is it the rats leaving a sinking ship?</htmltext>
<tokenext>what a crook !
Not paying taxes - how unpatriotic - or is it the rats leaving a sinking ship ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what a crook!
Not paying taxes - how unpatriotic - or is it the rats leaving a sinking ship?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232517</id>
	<title>good riddance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244300520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fuck off, Ballmer.</p><p>Better yet, why don't you wheel and deal with Michigan and move there and get their economy going rather than bitching and moaning that company you inherited isn't going to make you retire a multibillionaire but just a billionaire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck off , Ballmer.Better yet , why do n't you wheel and deal with Michigan and move there and get their economy going rather than bitching and moaning that company you inherited is n't going to make you retire a multibillionaire but just a billionaire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck off, Ballmer.Better yet, why don't you wheel and deal with Michigan and move there and get their economy going rather than bitching and moaning that company you inherited isn't going to make you retire a multibillionaire but just a billionaire.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232789</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>krewemaynard</author>
	<datestamp>1244302140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The U.S. is becoming increasingly hostile toward business.  I certainly wouldn't blame Microsoft, Google, Intel or any big company for leaving the U.S. if they can find a country that does not view them as a cash cow, does not attack them with anti-trust, and does not punish their energy-use with cap and trade.</p><p>A smart country could displace the U.S. as the economic leader in the world by recognizing and protecting the liberties required for individuals and companies to survive and prosper.  If there were a country with minimal tax, strong protection from the government, freedom to think and act - I know I would move there.</p></div><p>Thank you! Why is it that corporations who want to keep the money they earned by selling products and services are evil and greedy, but the government wanting to take more and more of that money is perfectly fine? What makes government more entitled to that money than the person or entity that earned it? You can hate and bash MS or any company for thinking of offshoring jobs to save money, but what about rethinking our punitive tax policy?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The U.S. is becoming increasingly hostile toward business .
I certainly would n't blame Microsoft , Google , Intel or any big company for leaving the U.S. if they can find a country that does not view them as a cash cow , does not attack them with anti-trust , and does not punish their energy-use with cap and trade.A smart country could displace the U.S. as the economic leader in the world by recognizing and protecting the liberties required for individuals and companies to survive and prosper .
If there were a country with minimal tax , strong protection from the government , freedom to think and act - I know I would move there.Thank you !
Why is it that corporations who want to keep the money they earned by selling products and services are evil and greedy , but the government wanting to take more and more of that money is perfectly fine ?
What makes government more entitled to that money than the person or entity that earned it ?
You can hate and bash MS or any company for thinking of offshoring jobs to save money , but what about rethinking our punitive tax policy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The U.S. is becoming increasingly hostile toward business.
I certainly wouldn't blame Microsoft, Google, Intel or any big company for leaving the U.S. if they can find a country that does not view them as a cash cow, does not attack them with anti-trust, and does not punish their energy-use with cap and trade.A smart country could displace the U.S. as the economic leader in the world by recognizing and protecting the liberties required for individuals and companies to survive and prosper.
If there were a country with minimal tax, strong protection from the government, freedom to think and act - I know I would move there.Thank you!
Why is it that corporations who want to keep the money they earned by selling products and services are evil and greedy, but the government wanting to take more and more of that money is perfectly fine?
What makes government more entitled to that money than the person or entity that earned it?
You can hate and bash MS or any company for thinking of offshoring jobs to save money, but what about rethinking our punitive tax policy?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235675</id>
	<title>Re:Not very bright...</title>
	<author>colinrichardday</author>
	<datestamp>1244321100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Also don't forget, Linus Torvalds is a US resident, and I'm sure *he* pays his income taxes,</i></p><p>All that does is disqualify him from a cabinet post.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also do n't forget , Linus Torvalds is a US resident , and I 'm sure * he * pays his income taxes,All that does is disqualify him from a cabinet post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also don't forget, Linus Torvalds is a US resident, and I'm sure *he* pays his income taxes,All that does is disqualify him from a cabinet post.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234255</id>
	<title>Re:And as a reward...</title>
	<author>BeanThere</author>
	<datestamp>1244311740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The current administration is much less submissive to corporate political desires.</p></div><p>Hurt your corporations and you hurt your people.</p><p>You'll reap what you sow.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The current administration is much less submissive to corporate political desires.Hurt your corporations and you hurt your people.You 'll reap what you sow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The current administration is much less submissive to corporate political desires.Hurt your corporations and you hurt your people.You'll reap what you sow.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233737</id>
	<title>You think like a ReThuglican Jew</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244307960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You think like a ReThuglican Jew</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You think like a ReThuglican Jew</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think like a ReThuglican Jew</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235619</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>copponex</author>
	<datestamp>1244320740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is it that corporations who want to keep the money they earned by selling products and services are evil and greedy, but the government wanting to take more and more of that money is perfectly fine?</p></div><p>The government is supposed to represent the will of the people. If the people are tired of seeing wealth disparity increase, tired of getting ripped off because there are no rules enforced, tired of bailing these companies out every time the free market fails - which is often, when there aren't any rules - then companies have a choice: pitch in or leave. I personally have no problem seeing any company leave - as long as their US operations are formally closed, the remnants put under federal control and auctioned off to real entrepreneurs who want to give Americans jobs instead of giving themselves raises. The government is not threatening corporations with anything but actual work, and less dazzling profits. And true to form, they threaten to leave. I say fuck'em. I believe in a free market and competition. They are afraid of both.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>What makes government more entitled to that money than the person or entity that earned it? You can hate and bash MS or any company for thinking of offshoring jobs to save money, but what about rethinking our punitive tax policy?</p></div><p>If you really want an interesting point of view, look at what corporations say about the Fair Tax. I'm not personally sure it would work, but the reason there is no "political" support for it is because they would be forced to pay more taxes than they are now. Look at what Warren Buffet says about US tax policy, and how he personally pays a lower tax rate than his administrative assistant.</p><p><b>We</b> are the market. This is <b>our</b> society. Personally, I consider the well-being of my fellow man far more important than having some pouty billionaires tell me they want to take their ball and go home.</p><blockquote><div><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>...Bajillionaire Warren Buffett has argued that he isn't being asked to pay his share. He went around his office, asking people what share of their income they pay in income taxes. Buffett's 17.7 percent tax rate compared a bit too favorably with the 30 percent tax rate paid by his secretary.</i></p><p><i>So it appears that the tax system favors the super-rich over working stiffs.</i></p><p><i>And Buffett went a step further, putting his money where his mouth is. Last November he issued a challenge to his fellow billionaires:</i></p><p><i>"I'll bet a million dollars against any member of the Forbes 400 who challenges me that the average (federal tax rate including income and payroll taxes) for the Forbes 400 will be less than the average of their receptionists."</i></p><p><i>So far, no-one has taken him up on this bet.</i></p></div> </blockquote><p><a href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/taxes-warren-buffett-and-paying-my-fair-share/" title="nytimes.com">http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/taxes-warren-buffett-and-paying-my-fair-share/</a> [nytimes.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it that corporations who want to keep the money they earned by selling products and services are evil and greedy , but the government wanting to take more and more of that money is perfectly fine ? The government is supposed to represent the will of the people .
If the people are tired of seeing wealth disparity increase , tired of getting ripped off because there are no rules enforced , tired of bailing these companies out every time the free market fails - which is often , when there are n't any rules - then companies have a choice : pitch in or leave .
I personally have no problem seeing any company leave - as long as their US operations are formally closed , the remnants put under federal control and auctioned off to real entrepreneurs who want to give Americans jobs instead of giving themselves raises .
The government is not threatening corporations with anything but actual work , and less dazzling profits .
And true to form , they threaten to leave .
I say fuck'em .
I believe in a free market and competition .
They are afraid of both.What makes government more entitled to that money than the person or entity that earned it ?
You can hate and bash MS or any company for thinking of offshoring jobs to save money , but what about rethinking our punitive tax policy ? If you really want an interesting point of view , look at what corporations say about the Fair Tax .
I 'm not personally sure it would work , but the reason there is no " political " support for it is because they would be forced to pay more taxes than they are now .
Look at what Warren Buffet says about US tax policy , and how he personally pays a lower tax rate than his administrative assistant.We are the market .
This is our society .
Personally , I consider the well-being of my fellow man far more important than having some pouty billionaires tell me they want to take their ball and go home .
...Bajillionaire Warren Buffett has argued that he is n't being asked to pay his share .
He went around his office , asking people what share of their income they pay in income taxes .
Buffett 's 17.7 percent tax rate compared a bit too favorably with the 30 percent tax rate paid by his secretary.So it appears that the tax system favors the super-rich over working stiffs.And Buffett went a step further , putting his money where his mouth is .
Last November he issued a challenge to his fellow billionaires : " I 'll bet a million dollars against any member of the Forbes 400 who challenges me that the average ( federal tax rate including income and payroll taxes ) for the Forbes 400 will be less than the average of their receptionists .
" So far , no-one has taken him up on this bet .
http : //freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/taxes-warren-buffett-and-paying-my-fair-share/ [ nytimes.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it that corporations who want to keep the money they earned by selling products and services are evil and greedy, but the government wanting to take more and more of that money is perfectly fine?The government is supposed to represent the will of the people.
If the people are tired of seeing wealth disparity increase, tired of getting ripped off because there are no rules enforced, tired of bailing these companies out every time the free market fails - which is often, when there aren't any rules - then companies have a choice: pitch in or leave.
I personally have no problem seeing any company leave - as long as their US operations are formally closed, the remnants put under federal control and auctioned off to real entrepreneurs who want to give Americans jobs instead of giving themselves raises.
The government is not threatening corporations with anything but actual work, and less dazzling profits.
And true to form, they threaten to leave.
I say fuck'em.
I believe in a free market and competition.
They are afraid of both.What makes government more entitled to that money than the person or entity that earned it?
You can hate and bash MS or any company for thinking of offshoring jobs to save money, but what about rethinking our punitive tax policy?If you really want an interesting point of view, look at what corporations say about the Fair Tax.
I'm not personally sure it would work, but the reason there is no "political" support for it is because they would be forced to pay more taxes than they are now.
Look at what Warren Buffet says about US tax policy, and how he personally pays a lower tax rate than his administrative assistant.We are the market.
This is our society.
Personally, I consider the well-being of my fellow man far more important than having some pouty billionaires tell me they want to take their ball and go home.
...Bajillionaire Warren Buffett has argued that he isn't being asked to pay his share.
He went around his office, asking people what share of their income they pay in income taxes.
Buffett's 17.7 percent tax rate compared a bit too favorably with the 30 percent tax rate paid by his secretary.So it appears that the tax system favors the super-rich over working stiffs.And Buffett went a step further, putting his money where his mouth is.
Last November he issued a challenge to his fellow billionaires:"I'll bet a million dollars against any member of the Forbes 400 who challenges me that the average (federal tax rate including income and payroll taxes) for the Forbes 400 will be less than the average of their receptionists.
"So far, no-one has taken him up on this bet.
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/taxes-warren-buffett-and-paying-my-fair-share/ [nytimes.com]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233341</id>
	<title>Somewhere along the way this country forgot</title>
	<author>Phizzle</author>
	<datestamp>1244305680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that Taxation is not the American Way. And the crowd jeering at the problems of corporations and the rich and praising wealth redistribution, will reap what it saws as this country becomes destitute. I grew up in the former Soviet Union where everyone was "equal" and companies were government's bitches. Most people were really equal back then - equally fucked that is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>that Taxation is not the American Way .
And the crowd jeering at the problems of corporations and the rich and praising wealth redistribution , will reap what it saws as this country becomes destitute .
I grew up in the former Soviet Union where everyone was " equal " and companies were government 's bitches .
Most people were really equal back then - equally fucked that is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that Taxation is not the American Way.
And the crowd jeering at the problems of corporations and the rich and praising wealth redistribution, will reap what it saws as this country becomes destitute.
I grew up in the former Soviet Union where everyone was "equal" and companies were government's bitches.
Most people were really equal back then - equally fucked that is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232851</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1244302740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Not really. They pass on that tax to their customers. Ultimately, it is the consumer that pays the tax.</i></p><p>Some corporations can't pass on the cost of taxes.  MS raising the cost of Windows or Office will only drive more people to try other software.  After using MS products for almost 10 years I finally stopped paying the Microsoft tax.  The OSes I use are Linux and OS X and the office suite is Open Office.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really .
They pass on that tax to their customers .
Ultimately , it is the consumer that pays the tax.Some corporations ca n't pass on the cost of taxes .
MS raising the cost of Windows or Office will only drive more people to try other software .
After using MS products for almost 10 years I finally stopped paying the Microsoft tax .
The OSes I use are Linux and OS X and the office suite is Open Office .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really.
They pass on that tax to their customers.
Ultimately, it is the consumer that pays the tax.Some corporations can't pass on the cost of taxes.
MS raising the cost of Windows or Office will only drive more people to try other software.
After using MS products for almost 10 years I finally stopped paying the Microsoft tax.
The OSes I use are Linux and OS X and the office suite is Open Office.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232877</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>foniksonik</author>
	<datestamp>1244302920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This only applies to Individuals with unique products or scarce products. The parent post logic applies to individuals as well. Just like Windows is a commodity item now a lot of skills are commodities as well.</p><p>Historically anything that can be put into a codified process can be commoditized. First it was agriculture, then manufacturing, now information technology production (which has become a lot like manufacturing).</p><p>SO yes if you have a skillset that can not be commoditized or outsourced (yet) then you can negotiate a higher pay to compensate for taxes - otherwise you are competing against an available pool of workers who a) are willing to work for less to do the same work or b) do not have such high taxes in their region and so do not need as high a salary to maintain the same standard of living.</p><p>The only way around this is to form a Union or start your own company. Union's typically will flatten out the pay curve but ensure a higher average pay scale plus other amenities. Self-employment means you're back in the market but then you have to pay taxes again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This only applies to Individuals with unique products or scarce products .
The parent post logic applies to individuals as well .
Just like Windows is a commodity item now a lot of skills are commodities as well.Historically anything that can be put into a codified process can be commoditized .
First it was agriculture , then manufacturing , now information technology production ( which has become a lot like manufacturing ) .SO yes if you have a skillset that can not be commoditized or outsourced ( yet ) then you can negotiate a higher pay to compensate for taxes - otherwise you are competing against an available pool of workers who a ) are willing to work for less to do the same work or b ) do not have such high taxes in their region and so do not need as high a salary to maintain the same standard of living.The only way around this is to form a Union or start your own company .
Union 's typically will flatten out the pay curve but ensure a higher average pay scale plus other amenities .
Self-employment means you 're back in the market but then you have to pay taxes again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This only applies to Individuals with unique products or scarce products.
The parent post logic applies to individuals as well.
Just like Windows is a commodity item now a lot of skills are commodities as well.Historically anything that can be put into a codified process can be commoditized.
First it was agriculture, then manufacturing, now information technology production (which has become a lot like manufacturing).SO yes if you have a skillset that can not be commoditized or outsourced (yet) then you can negotiate a higher pay to compensate for taxes - otherwise you are competing against an available pool of workers who a) are willing to work for less to do the same work or b) do not have such high taxes in their region and so do not need as high a salary to maintain the same standard of living.The only way around this is to form a Union or start your own company.
Union's typically will flatten out the pay curve but ensure a higher average pay scale plus other amenities.
Self-employment means you're back in the market but then you have to pay taxes again.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232771</id>
	<title>Re:I'm okay with this</title>
	<author>ReeceTarbert</author>
	<datestamp>1244302020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As a shareholder, this is a great move.  If this saves MS money, it puts more money in my pocket.</p></div><p>Maybe calling yourself a shareholder makes you feel all warm inside, but unless you own gazillions of shares you still have no say whatsoever in the way the company is run -- not to mention the fact that with a <a href="http://www.smartmoney.com/stock-quote/?symbol=MSFT" title="smartmoney.com" rel="nofollow">dividend of $0.13/share</a> [smartmoney.com], it'd make for a piss poor investment.
</p><p>
Come to think of it, the only way for you to really make money with Microsoft is to sell your shares or, in other words, NOT to be shareholder.
</p><p>
RT.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a shareholder , this is a great move .
If this saves MS money , it puts more money in my pocket.Maybe calling yourself a shareholder makes you feel all warm inside , but unless you own gazillions of shares you still have no say whatsoever in the way the company is run -- not to mention the fact that with a dividend of $ 0.13/share [ smartmoney.com ] , it 'd make for a piss poor investment .
Come to think of it , the only way for you to really make money with Microsoft is to sell your shares or , in other words , NOT to be shareholder .
RT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a shareholder, this is a great move.
If this saves MS money, it puts more money in my pocket.Maybe calling yourself a shareholder makes you feel all warm inside, but unless you own gazillions of shares you still have no say whatsoever in the way the company is run -- not to mention the fact that with a dividend of $0.13/share [smartmoney.com], it'd make for a piss poor investment.
Come to think of it, the only way for you to really make money with Microsoft is to sell your shares or, in other words, NOT to be shareholder.
RT.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233209</id>
	<title>Great Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Open letter to MR Ballmer, your product has progressivly gotten worse, so why not move it oversea's , support another countries tax initiatives and push the us into further negative growth. Now there's thinking out of the box. After 17 years of  Windows, headache, driver conflicts, and endless Hardware incompatibility, I'm moving to Apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Open letter to MR Ballmer , your product has progressivly gotten worse , so why not move it oversea 's , support another countries tax initiatives and push the us into further negative growth .
Now there 's thinking out of the box .
After 17 years of Windows , headache , driver conflicts , and endless Hardware incompatibility , I 'm moving to Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open letter to MR Ballmer, your product has progressivly gotten worse, so why not move it oversea's , support another countries tax initiatives and push the us into further negative growth.
Now there's thinking out of the box.
After 17 years of  Windows, headache, driver conflicts, and endless Hardware incompatibility, I'm moving to Apple.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232253</id>
	<title>Bonus Fact</title>
	<author>qpawn</author>
	<datestamp>1244298480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's my assumption that while making the threat he was sweating profusely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's my assumption that while making the threat he was sweating profusely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's my assumption that while making the threat he was sweating profusely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233233</id>
	<title>The funny thing is...</title>
	<author>AdamHaun</author>
	<datestamp>1244304900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Steve Ballmer himself (and probably most of MS's shareholders) would never consider moving to Ireland.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Steve Ballmer himself ( and probably most of MS 's shareholders ) would never consider moving to Ireland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steve Ballmer himself (and probably most of MS's shareholders) would never consider moving to Ireland.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236179</id>
	<title>Very Sound</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1244280960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Very Sound. And a the very minimum, if properly legislated, "... if you conclude that you cannot undertake your duties without M$ software you must state IN DETAIL the reasons why not and what steps you are taking to enforce Open Formats and explore alternative solutions<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.."<br><br>Which will give M$ marketing a heart attack<br><br>and result in lower prices to the taxpayer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Very Sound .
And a the very minimum , if properly legislated , " ... if you conclude that you can not undertake your duties without M $ software you must state IN DETAIL the reasons why not and what steps you are taking to enforce Open Formats and explore alternative solutions .. " Which will give M $ marketing a heart attackand result in lower prices to the taxpayer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very Sound.
And a the very minimum, if properly legislated, "... if you conclude that you cannot undertake your duties without M$ software you must state IN DETAIL the reasons why not and what steps you are taking to enforce Open Formats and explore alternative solutions .."Which will give M$ marketing a heart attackand result in lower prices to the taxpayer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234067</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1244310180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>what about rethinking our punitive tax policy?</i> </p><p>Nope, that's just a load of balls that no one but Libertarian nutjobs cares about. Mod me down all you like, the fact remains, no one gives a fuck that you can go to jail if you don't pay your taxes, actually most people think it's fair. So suck it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what about rethinking our punitive tax policy ?
Nope , that 's just a load of balls that no one but Libertarian nutjobs cares about .
Mod me down all you like , the fact remains , no one gives a fuck that you can go to jail if you do n't pay your taxes , actually most people think it 's fair .
So suck it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> what about rethinking our punitive tax policy?
Nope, that's just a load of balls that no one but Libertarian nutjobs cares about.
Mod me down all you like, the fact remains, no one gives a fuck that you can go to jail if you don't pay your taxes, actually most people think it's fair.
So suck it up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233375</id>
	<title>Re:Ballmer threatens to pull out?</title>
	<author>novakreo</author>
	<datestamp>1244305800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Only on Slashdot would this be modded +5 Insightful.</p></div><p>How many other websites have the same moderation categories as Slashdot?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only on Slashdot would this be modded + 5 Insightful.How many other websites have the same moderation categories as Slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only on Slashdot would this be modded +5 Insightful.How many other websites have the same moderation categories as Slashdot?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232647</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232469</id>
	<title>how patriotic!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244300220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aren't people like Gates and Ballmer the types of "True Patriots" and "Real Americans" that conservatives go on and on about? I guess there's nothing more patriotic than moving your company to another country (a la Haliburton) when you don't get your way......</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are n't people like Gates and Ballmer the types of " True Patriots " and " Real Americans " that conservatives go on and on about ?
I guess there 's nothing more patriotic than moving your company to another country ( a la Haliburton ) when you do n't get your way..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aren't people like Gates and Ballmer the types of "True Patriots" and "Real Americans" that conservatives go on and on about?
I guess there's nothing more patriotic than moving your company to another country (a la Haliburton) when you don't get your way......</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232583</id>
	<title>How great would this be!</title>
	<author>zerofoo</author>
	<datestamp>1244300880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, not if you are one of the people losing your jobs due to this clown, but think of the public policy repercussions!</p><p>Finally, our Government will have no (political) reasons to prefer Microsoft software.  If Microsoft's products are imported, then our Government might actually start evaluating software based on it's merits.</p><p>Next we need the pharmaceutical, music, and movie industries to move off-shore - then our politicians may actually want to fix copyright laws.</p><p>-ted</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , not if you are one of the people losing your jobs due to this clown , but think of the public policy repercussions ! Finally , our Government will have no ( political ) reasons to prefer Microsoft software .
If Microsoft 's products are imported , then our Government might actually start evaluating software based on it 's merits.Next we need the pharmaceutical , music , and movie industries to move off-shore - then our politicians may actually want to fix copyright laws.-ted</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, not if you are one of the people losing your jobs due to this clown, but think of the public policy repercussions!Finally, our Government will have no (political) reasons to prefer Microsoft software.
If Microsoft's products are imported, then our Government might actually start evaluating software based on it's merits.Next we need the pharmaceutical, music, and movie industries to move off-shore - then our politicians may actually want to fix copyright laws.-ted</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234439</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244313120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know... sometimes tax laws aren't a good thing.  Tea anyone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know... sometimes tax laws are n't a good thing .
Tea anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know... sometimes tax laws aren't a good thing.
Tea anyone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235635</id>
	<title>Bill and Steve tried this stunt in Seattle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244320920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Both Bill and Steve were complaining just before Bill's retirement about threatening to leave Seattle because standard of education in the state.....</p><p>The fact that they use more shell companies (by a huge margin) that any other major WA state company and avoid 10s of $M of state taxes that help fund education did not get them very far with that comment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Both Bill and Steve were complaining just before Bill 's retirement about threatening to leave Seattle because standard of education in the state.....The fact that they use more shell companies ( by a huge margin ) that any other major WA state company and avoid 10s of $ M of state taxes that help fund education did not get them very far with that comment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both Bill and Steve were complaining just before Bill's retirement about threatening to leave Seattle because standard of education in the state.....The fact that they use more shell companies (by a huge margin) that any other major WA state company and avoid 10s of $M of state taxes that help fund education did not get them very far with that comment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28241229</id>
	<title>Re:The Solution Is Simple...</title>
	<author>Rambo Tribble</author>
	<datestamp>1244388960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem is, the corporations can move overseas, too. The traditional approach has been to levy fees on imported products in order to manage equity. But, of course, globalism has largely dismantled that apparatus, to the considerable benefit of global corporations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is , the corporations can move overseas , too .
The traditional approach has been to levy fees on imported products in order to manage equity .
But , of course , globalism has largely dismantled that apparatus , to the considerable benefit of global corporations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is, the corporations can move overseas, too.
The traditional approach has been to levy fees on imported products in order to manage equity.
But, of course, globalism has largely dismantled that apparatus, to the considerable benefit of global corporations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232427</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Voline</author>
	<datestamp>1244299800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not true.</p><p>Companies are constrained from passing on the full value of their tax to their customers by the price elasticity of demand for their product. Which in turn depends on the how much their customers need their product (can they put off buying them or do without, do they yearn for it?) and the availability of substitute products and the degree to which those substitute products are suitable (Linux and Mac OS X are pretty good, as is OpenOffice).</p><p>If he could pass on the full cost to his customers Ballmer wouldn't care about a tax increase.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not true.Companies are constrained from passing on the full value of their tax to their customers by the price elasticity of demand for their product .
Which in turn depends on the how much their customers need their product ( can they put off buying them or do without , do they yearn for it ?
) and the availability of substitute products and the degree to which those substitute products are suitable ( Linux and Mac OS X are pretty good , as is OpenOffice ) .If he could pass on the full cost to his customers Ballmer would n't care about a tax increase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not true.Companies are constrained from passing on the full value of their tax to their customers by the price elasticity of demand for their product.
Which in turn depends on the how much their customers need their product (can they put off buying them or do without, do they yearn for it?
) and the availability of substitute products and the degree to which those substitute products are suitable (Linux and Mac OS X are pretty good, as is OpenOffice).If he could pass on the full cost to his customers Ballmer wouldn't care about a tax increase.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232199</id>
	<title>frsot psis</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244298060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>aet it btiches</htmltext>
<tokenext>aet it btiches</tokentext>
<sentencetext>aet it btiches</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235195</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Prof.Phreak</author>
	<datestamp>1244318400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actually, it's the shareholders who pay the tax. a corp could operate quite successfully without paying any taxes (which are based on profits). the only time they -have- to pay a tax is when shareholders wanna see their investment making a profit or take money out via dividends.</p><p>And who are the shareholders? they're the folks to provide the funds but don't do much work themselves. Shouldn't they pay extra for that privilege of making something with no extra effort? Compare shareholder to an employee. When the corp does well (lets say they make 2x than last year), who reaps the benefits?</p><p>In the same light, I wish corp tax would go to 0\%, and shareholders get taxed on any money derived from the corp as their personal "income".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually , it 's the shareholders who pay the tax .
a corp could operate quite successfully without paying any taxes ( which are based on profits ) .
the only time they -have- to pay a tax is when shareholders wan na see their investment making a profit or take money out via dividends.And who are the shareholders ?
they 're the folks to provide the funds but do n't do much work themselves .
Should n't they pay extra for that privilege of making something with no extra effort ?
Compare shareholder to an employee .
When the corp does well ( lets say they make 2x than last year ) , who reaps the benefits ? In the same light , I wish corp tax would go to 0 \ % , and shareholders get taxed on any money derived from the corp as their personal " income " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually, it's the shareholders who pay the tax.
a corp could operate quite successfully without paying any taxes (which are based on profits).
the only time they -have- to pay a tax is when shareholders wanna see their investment making a profit or take money out via dividends.And who are the shareholders?
they're the folks to provide the funds but don't do much work themselves.
Shouldn't they pay extra for that privilege of making something with no extra effort?
Compare shareholder to an employee.
When the corp does well (lets say they make 2x than last year), who reaps the benefits?In the same light, I wish corp tax would go to 0\%, and shareholders get taxed on any money derived from the corp as their personal "income".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28238949</id>
	<title>Re:In other words</title>
	<author>sherifffruitfly</author>
	<datestamp>1244307540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess the only thing to say to Balmer is: Bye.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess the only thing to say to Balmer is : Bye .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess the only thing to say to Balmer is: Bye.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232355</id>
	<title>I'll help him pack.</title>
	<author>walkoff</author>
	<datestamp>1244299320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>do they make folding chairs that'll fit in a suitcase?</htmltext>
<tokenext>do they make folding chairs that 'll fit in a suitcase ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>do they make folding chairs that'll fit in a suitcase?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236259</id>
	<title>ballmer can't dance or bluff</title>
	<author>emaname</author>
	<datestamp>1244281620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For several (5 or 6) years, MS's stock was on a plateau (around $30). Then we hit these hard economic times and it dropped like all stocks did. But, even so, MS's stock performance hasn't been remarkable. But now, more analysts are starting to discourage buying MS.
<br> <br>
Add to this that MS lacks focus. They act as if they can dive into any market that has the slightest detail in common with their product offerings and just take over. Here again, their performance has been weak. (Bada-bing. Bada-zune.)
<br> <br>
And, again like so many other companies, due to the recession they've been forced to do layoffs. Now Ballmer is getting desperate.
<br> <br>
So moving to another country (which eventually, in or near the EU, would be business-wise more hostile). Incurring additional expenses. Shaking the remaining confidence in the investors. Risking bad PR. Yeah. Brilliant!
<br> <br>
And do you honestly think that their economic circumstances are any better than here?
<br> <br>
And personally, I tend to think of a business' location in terms of where their support is located. And at least some of MS's support is out of India. So, as far as I am concerned, they've already started to moved away.
<br> <br>
These business conditions are a relatively new experience to MS. They've been used to having more earnings just because of their market dominance and now they're forced to actually think creatively and innovate in both a business sense and a product design sense. Ballmer certainly doesn't have the skill to do this and neither does Gates. If the BoD was smart, they'd decide to split the company. Two or three smaller companies will allow for better focus, more efficiencies, and faster response and competitiveness. Hell, send one of the new companies over to the EU.
<br> <br>
I see this as something like (you don't know) Jack Welch. While GE was profitable, many thought he was brilliant. He's not. He is, just like Bill Gates, an opportunist. These guys do well when the market opportunity is handed to them due to extenuating social, political, economic, and/or technological circumstances. If they ever have to think in a truly creative manner re business strategy, they are like an octopus out of water.
<br> <br>
Welch's management philosophies and business strategies are finally being proven wrong; short-sighted and inept. (Note that Welch had started up a massive PR machine prior to his departure.) His constant attempts to improve the bottom line by acquisitions were foolish. And re his management philosophies; what an idiot!!! (I apologize. But it's appropriate to say having been exposed to his influence.) Immelt was stuck with cleaning up Welch's mess. (ie, tons of debt in GE Capital). But now Immelt is hard-pressed to think creatively to get the ship back on course. Nardelli (also GE) is another example with the remarkable job of screwing up Home Depot. And the bozos at GM another. (Although, in their defense, our culture conspired against them to some degree. How can you sell smaller, fuel-efficient vehicles to a country filled with Bubba's that just want bigger pickup trucks and SUVs with more power and towing capacity?)
<br> <br>
Anyhow Ballmer is just one more in this series of loony toons.
<br> <br>
So go ahead, Monkey Boy. Move. But first, do another little dance. I think I'll call it the "Desperation Dance."</htmltext>
<tokenext>For several ( 5 or 6 ) years , MS 's stock was on a plateau ( around $ 30 ) .
Then we hit these hard economic times and it dropped like all stocks did .
But , even so , MS 's stock performance has n't been remarkable .
But now , more analysts are starting to discourage buying MS . Add to this that MS lacks focus .
They act as if they can dive into any market that has the slightest detail in common with their product offerings and just take over .
Here again , their performance has been weak .
( Bada-bing. Bada-zune .
) And , again like so many other companies , due to the recession they 've been forced to do layoffs .
Now Ballmer is getting desperate .
So moving to another country ( which eventually , in or near the EU , would be business-wise more hostile ) .
Incurring additional expenses .
Shaking the remaining confidence in the investors .
Risking bad PR .
Yeah. Brilliant !
And do you honestly think that their economic circumstances are any better than here ?
And personally , I tend to think of a business ' location in terms of where their support is located .
And at least some of MS 's support is out of India .
So , as far as I am concerned , they 've already started to moved away .
These business conditions are a relatively new experience to MS. They 've been used to having more earnings just because of their market dominance and now they 're forced to actually think creatively and innovate in both a business sense and a product design sense .
Ballmer certainly does n't have the skill to do this and neither does Gates .
If the BoD was smart , they 'd decide to split the company .
Two or three smaller companies will allow for better focus , more efficiencies , and faster response and competitiveness .
Hell , send one of the new companies over to the EU .
I see this as something like ( you do n't know ) Jack Welch .
While GE was profitable , many thought he was brilliant .
He 's not .
He is , just like Bill Gates , an opportunist .
These guys do well when the market opportunity is handed to them due to extenuating social , political , economic , and/or technological circumstances .
If they ever have to think in a truly creative manner re business strategy , they are like an octopus out of water .
Welch 's management philosophies and business strategies are finally being proven wrong ; short-sighted and inept .
( Note that Welch had started up a massive PR machine prior to his departure .
) His constant attempts to improve the bottom line by acquisitions were foolish .
And re his management philosophies ; what an idiot ! ! !
( I apologize .
But it 's appropriate to say having been exposed to his influence .
) Immelt was stuck with cleaning up Welch 's mess .
( ie , tons of debt in GE Capital ) .
But now Immelt is hard-pressed to think creatively to get the ship back on course .
Nardelli ( also GE ) is another example with the remarkable job of screwing up Home Depot .
And the bozos at GM another .
( Although , in their defense , our culture conspired against them to some degree .
How can you sell smaller , fuel-efficient vehicles to a country filled with Bubba 's that just want bigger pickup trucks and SUVs with more power and towing capacity ?
) Anyhow Ballmer is just one more in this series of loony toons .
So go ahead , Monkey Boy .
Move. But first , do another little dance .
I think I 'll call it the " Desperation Dance .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For several (5 or 6) years, MS's stock was on a plateau (around $30).
Then we hit these hard economic times and it dropped like all stocks did.
But, even so, MS's stock performance hasn't been remarkable.
But now, more analysts are starting to discourage buying MS.
 
Add to this that MS lacks focus.
They act as if they can dive into any market that has the slightest detail in common with their product offerings and just take over.
Here again, their performance has been weak.
(Bada-bing. Bada-zune.
)
 
And, again like so many other companies, due to the recession they've been forced to do layoffs.
Now Ballmer is getting desperate.
So moving to another country (which eventually, in or near the EU, would be business-wise more hostile).
Incurring additional expenses.
Shaking the remaining confidence in the investors.
Risking bad PR.
Yeah. Brilliant!
And do you honestly think that their economic circumstances are any better than here?
And personally, I tend to think of a business' location in terms of where their support is located.
And at least some of MS's support is out of India.
So, as far as I am concerned, they've already started to moved away.
These business conditions are a relatively new experience to MS. They've been used to having more earnings just because of their market dominance and now they're forced to actually think creatively and innovate in both a business sense and a product design sense.
Ballmer certainly doesn't have the skill to do this and neither does Gates.
If the BoD was smart, they'd decide to split the company.
Two or three smaller companies will allow for better focus, more efficiencies, and faster response and competitiveness.
Hell, send one of the new companies over to the EU.
I see this as something like (you don't know) Jack Welch.
While GE was profitable, many thought he was brilliant.
He's not.
He is, just like Bill Gates, an opportunist.
These guys do well when the market opportunity is handed to them due to extenuating social, political, economic, and/or technological circumstances.
If they ever have to think in a truly creative manner re business strategy, they are like an octopus out of water.
Welch's management philosophies and business strategies are finally being proven wrong; short-sighted and inept.
(Note that Welch had started up a massive PR machine prior to his departure.
) His constant attempts to improve the bottom line by acquisitions were foolish.
And re his management philosophies; what an idiot!!!
(I apologize.
But it's appropriate to say having been exposed to his influence.
) Immelt was stuck with cleaning up Welch's mess.
(ie, tons of debt in GE Capital).
But now Immelt is hard-pressed to think creatively to get the ship back on course.
Nardelli (also GE) is another example with the remarkable job of screwing up Home Depot.
And the bozos at GM another.
(Although, in their defense, our culture conspired against them to some degree.
How can you sell smaller, fuel-efficient vehicles to a country filled with Bubba's that just want bigger pickup trucks and SUVs with more power and towing capacity?
)
 
Anyhow Ballmer is just one more in this series of loony toons.
So go ahead, Monkey Boy.
Move. But first, do another little dance.
I think I'll call it the "Desperation Dance.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234777</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Reservoir Penguin</author>
	<datestamp>1244316180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the GREEDY GOVERNMENT BASTARDS ever done for us??</htmltext>
<tokenext>All right , but apart from the sanitation , medicine , education , wine , public order , irrigation , roads , the fresh water system and public health , what have the GREEDY GOVERNMENT BASTARDS ever done for us ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the GREEDY GOVERNMENT BASTARDS ever done for us?
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234085</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237497</id>
	<title>Subject</title>
	<author>Legion303</author>
	<datestamp>1244292600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ballmer wants to pull out and can't even give America the courtesy of a reacharound. How rude.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ballmer wants to pull out and ca n't even give America the courtesy of a reacharound .
How rude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ballmer wants to pull out and can't even give America the courtesy of a reacharound.
How rude.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232443</id>
	<title>Let them go, but, make their life miserable.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244299920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. If they pull out them make them pay capital gains on all of their assets at the time they start to move out.<br>2. Point out that they are a convicted monopolist and the government will sic the anti-trust lawyers on them for years.<br>3. 'Thoroughly' inspect all of their packages coming in.  If they can't import the software for sale they can't make a living.<br>4. Revoke the passports of all microsoft employees in the U.S.  The braintrust can't leave the country!<br>5. Tell them that the government will be going open source and Linux over a transition period.<br>6. Remind them that their corporate charter is at the pleasure of the government and can be revoked.<br>7. Invite the execs to a hunt hosted by Cheney.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
If they pull out them make them pay capital gains on all of their assets at the time they start to move out.2 .
Point out that they are a convicted monopolist and the government will sic the anti-trust lawyers on them for years.3 .
'Thoroughly ' inspect all of their packages coming in .
If they ca n't import the software for sale they ca n't make a living.4 .
Revoke the passports of all microsoft employees in the U.S. The braintrust ca n't leave the country ! 5 .
Tell them that the government will be going open source and Linux over a transition period.6 .
Remind them that their corporate charter is at the pleasure of the government and can be revoked.7 .
Invite the execs to a hunt hosted by Cheney .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
If they pull out them make them pay capital gains on all of their assets at the time they start to move out.2.
Point out that they are a convicted monopolist and the government will sic the anti-trust lawyers on them for years.3.
'Thoroughly' inspect all of their packages coming in.
If they can't import the software for sale they can't make a living.4.
Revoke the passports of all microsoft employees in the U.S.  The braintrust can't leave the country!5.
Tell them that the government will be going open source and Linux over a transition period.6.
Remind them that their corporate charter is at the pleasure of the government and can be revoked.7.
Invite the execs to a hunt hosted by Cheney.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232917</id>
	<title>Re:Sound business decision</title>
	<author>Lloyd\_Bryant</author>
	<datestamp>1244303280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To pull that off, they'd have to build their island <i>200 miles</i> offshore.  That'd have to be some ferry to make commuting possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To pull that off , they 'd have to build their island 200 miles offshore .
That 'd have to be some ferry to make commuting possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To pull that off, they'd have to build their island 200 miles offshore.
That'd have to be some ferry to make commuting possible.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232351</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237169</id>
	<title>See ya!!</title>
	<author>Berkyjay</author>
	<datestamp>1244289300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And don't let the door ya on the arse on your way out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And do n't let the door ya on the arse on your way out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And don't let the door ya on the arse on your way out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232613</id>
	<title>Good luck!  It's an idle threat by a hothead</title>
	<author>CFD339</author>
	<datestamp>1244301060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To begin with, none of the executive team wants to live in any of those countries with super low labor availability.  Sure, Western Europe, the UK -- you'll get lots of takers among management and plenty of good managers over there already.  Try moving all those lifestyle employees living in the Seattle suburbs to India, Pakistan, Indonesia, or China, and you'll see a very different result.</p><p>So, now we're talking about really threatening to move the teams of "developers, developers, developers, developers" off shore.  Companies that have tried this before have found that much to their shock,   "developers, developers, developers, developers" are not bought and sold as commodities by the pound, but in fact are individuals who have creative ways to solve problems and work best when they can interact with the decision makers to improve the product.</p><p>The truth is, only the lowest tier of developer "meat" can be moved easily off-shore and away from the management and executive teams where decisions and management happen.  If you ignore that, you get crappy product.  You get crappy product because the offshore teams give you EXACTLY what you ask them for, instead of working with you to understand the goal and produce a result that makes more sense.</p><p>In summation: "FSCK-OFF" Balmer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To begin with , none of the executive team wants to live in any of those countries with super low labor availability .
Sure , Western Europe , the UK -- you 'll get lots of takers among management and plenty of good managers over there already .
Try moving all those lifestyle employees living in the Seattle suburbs to India , Pakistan , Indonesia , or China , and you 'll see a very different result.So , now we 're talking about really threatening to move the teams of " developers , developers , developers , developers " off shore .
Companies that have tried this before have found that much to their shock , " developers , developers , developers , developers " are not bought and sold as commodities by the pound , but in fact are individuals who have creative ways to solve problems and work best when they can interact with the decision makers to improve the product.The truth is , only the lowest tier of developer " meat " can be moved easily off-shore and away from the management and executive teams where decisions and management happen .
If you ignore that , you get crappy product .
You get crappy product because the offshore teams give you EXACTLY what you ask them for , instead of working with you to understand the goal and produce a result that makes more sense.In summation : " FSCK-OFF " Balmer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To begin with, none of the executive team wants to live in any of those countries with super low labor availability.
Sure, Western Europe, the UK -- you'll get lots of takers among management and plenty of good managers over there already.
Try moving all those lifestyle employees living in the Seattle suburbs to India, Pakistan, Indonesia, or China, and you'll see a very different result.So, now we're talking about really threatening to move the teams of "developers, developers, developers, developers" off shore.
Companies that have tried this before have found that much to their shock,   "developers, developers, developers, developers" are not bought and sold as commodities by the pound, but in fact are individuals who have creative ways to solve problems and work best when they can interact with the decision makers to improve the product.The truth is, only the lowest tier of developer "meat" can be moved easily off-shore and away from the management and executive teams where decisions and management happen.
If you ignore that, you get crappy product.
You get crappy product because the offshore teams give you EXACTLY what you ask them for, instead of working with you to understand the goal and produce a result that makes more sense.In summation: "FSCK-OFF" Balmer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233001</id>
	<title>Corporations are just not that into you</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1244303820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's logical to assume if the situation were that simple, corporations wouldn't spend so much money and time fighting corporate taxes. They're just not that interested in the consumer's problems.</p><p>Specifically when it comes to MS, many Slashdotters claim they don't buy MS products, so they wouldn't pay any tax anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's logical to assume if the situation were that simple , corporations would n't spend so much money and time fighting corporate taxes .
They 're just not that interested in the consumer 's problems.Specifically when it comes to MS , many Slashdotters claim they do n't buy MS products , so they would n't pay any tax anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's logical to assume if the situation were that simple, corporations wouldn't spend so much money and time fighting corporate taxes.
They're just not that interested in the consumer's problems.Specifically when it comes to MS, many Slashdotters claim they don't buy MS products, so they wouldn't pay any tax anyway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232237</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234413</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1244312820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They don't want to take 'more money'  They want to get rid of loopholes these companies use to avoid paying what they are supposed to be paying.</p><p>Its all about greed, yes, but the companies themselves are already cheating the government, which is simply closing the loopholes to prevent this stuff.</p><p>So go find this country with low taxes, strong protections and freedoms.</p><p>Seriously, go find it, I'll wait.</p><p>You realize it DOES cost money to provide you with the country that you live in right?</p><p>You can rant and rave about how this isn't MSes problem until you realize they enjoy all the benifits of paying taxes without actually paying them.  You can enjoy knowing that the money you spend leaves the country, effectively lowing the value of everything you do and own every single time you buy (in any way) an MS product after they've decided to jump ship.</p><p>If you don't want to pay taxes in the US, you are in no way required to, you CAN LEAVE, you CAN find somewhere better.  Whats stopping you?  Can't find someplace thats actually better?  They won't take you?  What is it?  Why are you bitching and talking about how you'd move if you could find someplace like america with lower taxes yet you aren't moving.</p><p>How about getting over this idea that you get everything for free without having to pay your dues?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't want to take 'more money ' They want to get rid of loopholes these companies use to avoid paying what they are supposed to be paying.Its all about greed , yes , but the companies themselves are already cheating the government , which is simply closing the loopholes to prevent this stuff.So go find this country with low taxes , strong protections and freedoms.Seriously , go find it , I 'll wait.You realize it DOES cost money to provide you with the country that you live in right ? You can rant and rave about how this is n't MSes problem until you realize they enjoy all the benifits of paying taxes without actually paying them .
You can enjoy knowing that the money you spend leaves the country , effectively lowing the value of everything you do and own every single time you buy ( in any way ) an MS product after they 've decided to jump ship.If you do n't want to pay taxes in the US , you are in no way required to , you CAN LEAVE , you CAN find somewhere better .
Whats stopping you ?
Ca n't find someplace thats actually better ?
They wo n't take you ?
What is it ?
Why are you bitching and talking about how you 'd move if you could find someplace like america with lower taxes yet you are n't moving.How about getting over this idea that you get everything for free without having to pay your dues ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't want to take 'more money'  They want to get rid of loopholes these companies use to avoid paying what they are supposed to be paying.Its all about greed, yes, but the companies themselves are already cheating the government, which is simply closing the loopholes to prevent this stuff.So go find this country with low taxes, strong protections and freedoms.Seriously, go find it, I'll wait.You realize it DOES cost money to provide you with the country that you live in right?You can rant and rave about how this isn't MSes problem until you realize they enjoy all the benifits of paying taxes without actually paying them.
You can enjoy knowing that the money you spend leaves the country, effectively lowing the value of everything you do and own every single time you buy (in any way) an MS product after they've decided to jump ship.If you don't want to pay taxes in the US, you are in no way required to, you CAN LEAVE, you CAN find somewhere better.
Whats stopping you?
Can't find someplace thats actually better?
They won't take you?
What is it?
Why are you bitching and talking about how you'd move if you could find someplace like america with lower taxes yet you aren't moving.How about getting over this idea that you get everything for free without having to pay your dues?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232789</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234075</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>ciggieposeur</author>
	<datestamp>1244310240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If there were a country with minimal tax, strong protection from the government,</i></p><p>If by "strong protection from the government" you mean "a government strong enough to protect you physically and legally by enforcing contracts", then that protection requires far more revenue than you probably mean by "minimal tax".</p><p>If you mean instead "protection FROM the government" as in "government can't get in someone's way", then as others pointed out Somalia is your real-world example of how that works out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there were a country with minimal tax , strong protection from the government,If by " strong protection from the government " you mean " a government strong enough to protect you physically and legally by enforcing contracts " , then that protection requires far more revenue than you probably mean by " minimal tax " .If you mean instead " protection FROM the government " as in " government ca n't get in someone 's way " , then as others pointed out Somalia is your real-world example of how that works out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there were a country with minimal tax, strong protection from the government,If by "strong protection from the government" you mean "a government strong enough to protect you physically and legally by enforcing contracts", then that protection requires far more revenue than you probably mean by "minimal tax".If you mean instead "protection FROM the government" as in "government can't get in someone's way", then as others pointed out Somalia is your real-world example of how that works out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233111</id>
	<title>That's a lot of chairs to throw offshore</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1244304360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Balmer is just bluffing to see if he can stop the legislation.</p><p>I noticed the summary was not too subtle about its bias though since it threw in the word "billionaire".  Would the issue by any different if Balmer was a mere millionaire?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Balmer is just bluffing to see if he can stop the legislation.I noticed the summary was not too subtle about its bias though since it threw in the word " billionaire " .
Would the issue by any different if Balmer was a mere millionaire ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Balmer is just bluffing to see if he can stop the legislation.I noticed the summary was not too subtle about its bias though since it threw in the word "billionaire".
Would the issue by any different if Balmer was a mere millionaire?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232923</id>
	<title>Good</title>
	<author>mediis</author>
	<datestamp>1244303280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then the MS workers can finally work from their own home country! And it would free up a large number of H1B visas for the rest of U.S..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then the MS workers can finally work from their own home country !
And it would free up a large number of H1B visas for the rest of U.S. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then the MS workers can finally work from their own home country!
And it would free up a large number of H1B visas for the rest of U.S..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28245371</id>
	<title>everyone  microsoft coders :)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244378880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>As an Australian I don't really care, where the jobs are... if it ain't Australia. I do believe that more Indian coders would make Microsoft code better, I base this theory on their current OS's.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an Australian I do n't really care , where the jobs are... if it ai n't Australia .
I do believe that more Indian coders would make Microsoft code better , I base this theory on their current OS 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an Australian I don't really care, where the jobs are... if it ain't Australia.
I do believe that more Indian coders would make Microsoft code better, I base this theory on their current OS's.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232397</id>
	<title>Re:Not very bright...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244299560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since when is going along with excessive taxation being patriotic?  This country was founded on the principals of capitalism and *limited* government.   Adhering to those principles seems more patriotic than foolishly helping our government get larger and more out of control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when is going along with excessive taxation being patriotic ?
This country was founded on the principals of capitalism and * limited * government .
Adhering to those principles seems more patriotic than foolishly helping our government get larger and more out of control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when is going along with excessive taxation being patriotic?
This country was founded on the principals of capitalism and *limited* government.
Adhering to those principles seems more patriotic than foolishly helping our government get larger and more out of control.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28241901</id>
	<title>Re:Not very bright...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244395500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't understand: Ballmer and Gates are PATRIOTIC Americans. It's the corporation, Mr/Mrs/Ms M. Soft, that is moving overseas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't understand : Ballmer and Gates are PATRIOTIC Americans .
It 's the corporation , Mr/Mrs/Ms M. Soft , that is moving overseas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't understand: Ballmer and Gates are PATRIOTIC Americans.
It's the corporation, Mr/Mrs/Ms M. Soft, that is moving overseas.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236003</id>
	<title>Damn it America!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244279880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's an export we don't want.</p><p>Sincerely</p><p>The Rest of the World</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's an export we do n't want.SincerelyThe Rest of the World</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's an export we don't want.SincerelyThe Rest of the World</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232239</id>
	<title>Oh come on Steve</title>
	<author>Aurisor</author>
	<datestamp>1244298300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't tease me like that unless you really mean it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't tease me like that unless you really mean it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't tease me like that unless you really mean it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232435</id>
	<title>Like Nokia did in Finland</title>
	<author>molukki</author>
	<datestamp>1244299920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds familiar. Nokia threatened to leave Finland unless they get the right to spy on their employees.

The law (named "Lex Nokia" by the media) was passed on March 11th and became effective beginning this month.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds familiar .
Nokia threatened to leave Finland unless they get the right to spy on their employees .
The law ( named " Lex Nokia " by the media ) was passed on March 11th and became effective beginning this month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds familiar.
Nokia threatened to leave Finland unless they get the right to spy on their employees.
The law (named "Lex Nokia" by the media) was passed on March 11th and became effective beginning this month.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232261</id>
	<title>Evil, evil Microsoft...</title>
	<author>denzacar</author>
	<datestamp>1244298540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looking for ways to make money for its greedy, greedy shareholders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looking for ways to make money for its greedy , greedy shareholders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looking for ways to make money for its greedy, greedy shareholders.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234831</id>
	<title>No Problem</title>
	<author>elkto</author>
	<datestamp>1244316480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cut Corporate Tax,<br>
Eliminate Tax on Outbound/Exported Items,<br>
Tax crap out of imported Items, including software, call center/customer care services.<br>
<br> <br> <b> <i>
Tax's are done, problem solved man.....</i> </b></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cut Corporate Tax , Eliminate Tax on Outbound/Exported Items , Tax crap out of imported Items , including software , call center/customer care services .
Tax 's are done , problem solved man.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cut Corporate Tax,
Eliminate Tax on Outbound/Exported Items,
Tax crap out of imported Items, including software, call center/customer care services.
Tax's are done, problem solved man..... </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28244279</id>
	<title>Re:Don't let the door hit you on the ass</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244370840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>"part of me think's America's love for MS has to do with patriotism."</i>
</p><p>
Few other plausible explanations come to mind!
</p><p>
It does tie in with the capitalist-extremist faction down there who, believing money = success, and that ends justify any means, cherish Gates and his monster as their poster child.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" part of me think 's America 's love for MS has to do with patriotism .
" Few other plausible explanations come to mind !
It does tie in with the capitalist-extremist faction down there who , believing money = success , and that ends justify any means , cherish Gates and his monster as their poster child .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "part of me think's America's love for MS has to do with patriotism.
"

Few other plausible explanations come to mind!
It does tie in with the capitalist-extremist faction down there who, believing money = success, and that ends justify any means, cherish Gates and his monster as their poster child.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232433</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236685</id>
	<title>Nothing New</title>
	<author>dr.banes</author>
	<datestamp>1244284920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey, at least he is being honest. Corporations by their nature are greedy, profit is what drives them at all costs...you just happened to hear it straight from the horse's mouth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , at least he is being honest .
Corporations by their nature are greedy , profit is what drives them at all costs...you just happened to hear it straight from the horse 's mouth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, at least he is being honest.
Corporations by their nature are greedy, profit is what drives them at all costs...you just happened to hear it straight from the horse's mouth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234685</id>
	<title>Ireland...think twice...do you want Ballmer?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244314980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MS is past its prime. Its best years are behind it. When you're on top, there is only one way to go: down. Look at Office 2007's ribbon and Vista as the best MS could manage in the last 5 to 7 years. That isn't much. It has managed to alienate users with unneeded changes. They just don't get that the market is their's to lose. At least Apple has the cool factor going for it. It can also use its FreeBSD heritage  to get built in security and innovations like time machine snapshots.  MS has none of that. What happened to WinFS? Don't count on that <i>ever</i> seeing the light of day.</p><p>Let MS go to Ireland, in just the same way we let Chrysler go to Italy (Fiat). Let Ballmer move his threats there, too. He'll be the old grandpa in the old folks home, listing his triumphs....</p><p>:</p><p>     In my day, it was all about developers. <b>Developers,</b> I tell you.</p><p>:</p><p>The sooner they're gone, the sooner we can get on with the future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS is past its prime .
Its best years are behind it .
When you 're on top , there is only one way to go : down .
Look at Office 2007 's ribbon and Vista as the best MS could manage in the last 5 to 7 years .
That is n't much .
It has managed to alienate users with unneeded changes .
They just do n't get that the market is their 's to lose .
At least Apple has the cool factor going for it .
It can also use its FreeBSD heritage to get built in security and innovations like time machine snapshots .
MS has none of that .
What happened to WinFS ?
Do n't count on that ever seeing the light of day.Let MS go to Ireland , in just the same way we let Chrysler go to Italy ( Fiat ) .
Let Ballmer move his threats there , too .
He 'll be the old grandpa in the old folks home , listing his triumphs.... : In my day , it was all about developers .
Developers , I tell you .
: The sooner they 're gone , the sooner we can get on with the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS is past its prime.
Its best years are behind it.
When you're on top, there is only one way to go: down.
Look at Office 2007's ribbon and Vista as the best MS could manage in the last 5 to 7 years.
That isn't much.
It has managed to alienate users with unneeded changes.
They just don't get that the market is their's to lose.
At least Apple has the cool factor going for it.
It can also use its FreeBSD heritage  to get built in security and innovations like time machine snapshots.
MS has none of that.
What happened to WinFS?
Don't count on that ever seeing the light of day.Let MS go to Ireland, in just the same way we let Chrysler go to Italy (Fiat).
Let Ballmer move his threats there, too.
He'll be the old grandpa in the old folks home, listing his triumphs....:     In my day, it was all about developers.
Developers, I tell you.
:The sooner they're gone, the sooner we can get on with the future.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233383</id>
	<title>Marginal tax rate vs. what they really pay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This turned into a political shouting match on MacDailyNews<br>but people ignore the difference between what the marginal tax rate for corporations is vs. what the corporations actually pay.</p><p>It is true that the tax rate is currently in the 38\% range, but if there are any large companies paying anything more than 4\% I would be amazed. The simple fact is that the large companies are not paying their fair share of the taxes and that is one of the reasons we are in such trouble now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This turned into a political shouting match on MacDailyNewsbut people ignore the difference between what the marginal tax rate for corporations is vs. what the corporations actually pay.It is true that the tax rate is currently in the 38 \ % range , but if there are any large companies paying anything more than 4 \ % I would be amazed .
The simple fact is that the large companies are not paying their fair share of the taxes and that is one of the reasons we are in such trouble now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This turned into a political shouting match on MacDailyNewsbut people ignore the difference between what the marginal tax rate for corporations is vs. what the corporations actually pay.It is true that the tax rate is currently in the 38\% range, but if there are any large companies paying anything more than 4\% I would be amazed.
The simple fact is that the large companies are not paying their fair share of the taxes and that is one of the reasons we are in such trouble now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237737</id>
	<title>Re:Pure FUD.</title>
	<author>bloodhawk</author>
	<datestamp>1244294760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>MS is a GLOBAL company, there country of incorpation is for the most part irrelevant, At the moment if anything there still being in the US speaks of huge loyalty considering the generous tax consessions other countries have offered them to move (Even Canada at one stage). When your company earns as much as Microsoft the tax rate is a VERY VERY important consideration, just a few percent over the course of a couple of years would more than cover the billions it would cost them to move. Good Will?? Well moving would certainly bring the good will of whereever they moved too and certainly to all the shareholders.</htmltext>
<tokenext>MS is a GLOBAL company , there country of incorpation is for the most part irrelevant , At the moment if anything there still being in the US speaks of huge loyalty considering the generous tax consessions other countries have offered them to move ( Even Canada at one stage ) .
When your company earns as much as Microsoft the tax rate is a VERY VERY important consideration , just a few percent over the course of a couple of years would more than cover the billions it would cost them to move .
Good Will ? ?
Well moving would certainly bring the good will of whereever they moved too and certainly to all the shareholders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS is a GLOBAL company, there country of incorpation is for the most part irrelevant, At the moment if anything there still being in the US speaks of huge loyalty considering the generous tax consessions other countries have offered them to move (Even Canada at one stage).
When your company earns as much as Microsoft the tax rate is a VERY VERY important consideration, just a few percent over the course of a couple of years would more than cover the billions it would cost them to move.
Good Will??
Well moving would certainly bring the good will of whereever they moved too and certainly to all the shareholders.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232337</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233567</id>
	<title>You should move here then</title>
	<author>Burz</author>
	<datestamp>1244306880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0" title="youtube.com">Libertarian Paradise</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Libertarian Paradise [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Libertarian Paradise [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232363</id>
	<title>Re:Ballmer threatens to pull out?</title>
	<author>pohl</author>
	<datestamp>1244299380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ugh, thank you.  Now I have this image of a sweaty Steve Ballmer Sr. saying  "...I...love...this..company...YEAH!...come on baby, give me your face"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ugh , thank you .
Now I have this image of a sweaty Steve Ballmer Sr. saying " ...I...love...this..company...YEAH ! ...come on baby , give me your face "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ugh, thank you.
Now I have this image of a sweaty Steve Ballmer Sr. saying  "...I...love...this..company...YEAH!...come on baby, give me your face"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232247</id>
	<title>Shit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244298420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I live in Ireland. Should I be worried about flying chairs now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Ireland .
Should I be worried about flying chairs now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Ireland.
Should I be worried about flying chairs now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233655</id>
	<title>Follow the money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244307480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Why is it that corporations who want to keep the money they earned by selling products and services are evil and greedy, but the government wanting to take more and more of that money is perfectly fine?</i> </p><p>Because the government works for the people.*</p><p>* Ostensibly, anyways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it that corporations who want to keep the money they earned by selling products and services are evil and greedy , but the government wanting to take more and more of that money is perfectly fine ?
Because the government works for the people .
* * Ostensibly , anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Why is it that corporations who want to keep the money they earned by selling products and services are evil and greedy, but the government wanting to take more and more of that money is perfectly fine?
Because the government works for the people.
** Ostensibly, anyways.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232789</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232925</id>
	<title>Desperate times . . .</title>
	<author>Rambo Tribble</author>
	<datestamp>1244303280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>. . . breed desperate bluster. Every mismanaged American industry since cotton has sought to play the "jobs" card in an attempt to manipulate legislation. This is a blatant attempt to bleed every last penny out of an obsolete business model. If Microsoft's shareholders are to have any hope, management must change.</htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .
breed desperate bluster .
Every mismanaged American industry since cotton has sought to play the " jobs " card in an attempt to manipulate legislation .
This is a blatant attempt to bleed every last penny out of an obsolete business model .
If Microsoft 's shareholders are to have any hope , management must change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
. .
breed desperate bluster.
Every mismanaged American industry since cotton has sought to play the "jobs" card in an attempt to manipulate legislation.
This is a blatant attempt to bleed every last penny out of an obsolete business model.
If Microsoft's shareholders are to have any hope, management must change.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28246913</id>
	<title>Microsoft Licensing in Nevada move from Washington</title>
	<author>AndrewFlagg</author>
	<datestamp>1244393760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft can move anywhere they like. If Steve Ballmer moves out of country that's fine with me as long as they pass along the savings to loyal consumer in the US without import taxation. Mr. Ballmer can also relocate and relinquish his US citizenship among others of his staff and leadership, and MSFT can remove itself from the DOW and become listed on a foreign exchange. Why not?

If that is how Microsoft must survive, then so be it.

Looking back over a decade ago, In 1997, Microsoft moved OEM licensing from Washington State King County USA on a 4 billion dollar per year business to avoid 35\% corporate tax per year. With just the move to Nevada where there is no corporate tax, they saved over 600 million with just an address change.

Microsoft Puerto Rico manufacturing also had benefits to perform manufacturing in a US territory rather than on US soil in order to achieve tax breaks and cash back and a moratorium  for a decade or so. Johnson and Johnson were among other Puerto Rico based US companies doing business there until the moratorium ended or was re-negotiated.

Globalization does not mean US based companies must remain loyal to the US just like California based companies need to stay in California, but relocate to Nevada.

Personally, I would love to see Microsoft give it a try and relocate from the US and give it a try in a foreign country; Ireland is nice. India is nice. The Philippines is nice. I would feel bad from Redmond and Bellevue and other areas, but I'm sure other companies would scoop up the buildings and land for 10&#194; on the dollar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft can move anywhere they like .
If Steve Ballmer moves out of country that 's fine with me as long as they pass along the savings to loyal consumer in the US without import taxation .
Mr. Ballmer can also relocate and relinquish his US citizenship among others of his staff and leadership , and MSFT can remove itself from the DOW and become listed on a foreign exchange .
Why not ?
If that is how Microsoft must survive , then so be it .
Looking back over a decade ago , In 1997 , Microsoft moved OEM licensing from Washington State King County USA on a 4 billion dollar per year business to avoid 35 \ % corporate tax per year .
With just the move to Nevada where there is no corporate tax , they saved over 600 million with just an address change .
Microsoft Puerto Rico manufacturing also had benefits to perform manufacturing in a US territory rather than on US soil in order to achieve tax breaks and cash back and a moratorium for a decade or so .
Johnson and Johnson were among other Puerto Rico based US companies doing business there until the moratorium ended or was re-negotiated .
Globalization does not mean US based companies must remain loyal to the US just like California based companies need to stay in California , but relocate to Nevada .
Personally , I would love to see Microsoft give it a try and relocate from the US and give it a try in a foreign country ; Ireland is nice .
India is nice .
The Philippines is nice .
I would feel bad from Redmond and Bellevue and other areas , but I 'm sure other companies would scoop up the buildings and land for 10   on the dollar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft can move anywhere they like.
If Steve Ballmer moves out of country that's fine with me as long as they pass along the savings to loyal consumer in the US without import taxation.
Mr. Ballmer can also relocate and relinquish his US citizenship among others of his staff and leadership, and MSFT can remove itself from the DOW and become listed on a foreign exchange.
Why not?
If that is how Microsoft must survive, then so be it.
Looking back over a decade ago, In 1997, Microsoft moved OEM licensing from Washington State King County USA on a 4 billion dollar per year business to avoid 35\% corporate tax per year.
With just the move to Nevada where there is no corporate tax, they saved over 600 million with just an address change.
Microsoft Puerto Rico manufacturing also had benefits to perform manufacturing in a US territory rather than on US soil in order to achieve tax breaks and cash back and a moratorium  for a decade or so.
Johnson and Johnson were among other Puerto Rico based US companies doing business there until the moratorium ended or was re-negotiated.
Globalization does not mean US based companies must remain loyal to the US just like California based companies need to stay in California, but relocate to Nevada.
Personally, I would love to see Microsoft give it a try and relocate from the US and give it a try in a foreign country; Ireland is nice.
India is nice.
The Philippines is nice.
I would feel bad from Redmond and Bellevue and other areas, but I'm sure other companies would scoop up the buildings and land for 10Â on the dollar.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232401</id>
	<title>Please please please please please!</title>
	<author>timepilot</author>
	<datestamp>1244299620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Steve, please do it. And better still, please keep telling everyone you're going to do it. You know what, how about starting a blog and telling everyone exactly how you think the American public and the world at large should make life better for the M$ shareholders.</p><p>Please, we want to know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Steve , please do it .
And better still , please keep telling everyone you 're going to do it .
You know what , how about starting a blog and telling everyone exactly how you think the American public and the world at large should make life better for the M $ shareholders.Please , we want to know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steve, please do it.
And better still, please keep telling everyone you're going to do it.
You know what, how about starting a blog and telling everyone exactly how you think the American public and the world at large should make life better for the M$ shareholders.Please, we want to know.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28238297</id>
	<title>The cost of living in civilized society</title>
	<author>Baloo Ursidae</author>
	<datestamp>1244300220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Translation: Ballmer wants to take advantage of his employees being able to get to work, and being educated through at least high school, but doesn't want to pay his share for that convenience.

Hey, Ballmer:  If you don't want to contribute to society, perhaps you should move to someplace that doesn't expect you to, like Somolia.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Translation : Ballmer wants to take advantage of his employees being able to get to work , and being educated through at least high school , but does n't want to pay his share for that convenience .
Hey , Ballmer : If you do n't want to contribute to society , perhaps you should move to someplace that does n't expect you to , like Somolia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Translation: Ballmer wants to take advantage of his employees being able to get to work, and being educated through at least high school, but doesn't want to pay his share for that convenience.
Hey, Ballmer:  If you don't want to contribute to society, perhaps you should move to someplace that doesn't expect you to, like Somolia.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233885</id>
	<title>Re:And as a reward...</title>
	<author>Fractal Dice</author>
	<datestamp>1244308920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, I read it a little differently.  To me it sounds like he's already decided to move employees overseas and is now just looking for an excuse that can be used to mitigate the bad PR.  If, along the way, he gets some political pull out of grandstanding, then so much the better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I read it a little differently .
To me it sounds like he 's already decided to move employees overseas and is now just looking for an excuse that can be used to mitigate the bad PR .
If , along the way , he gets some political pull out of grandstanding , then so much the better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I read it a little differently.
To me it sounds like he's already decided to move employees overseas and is now just looking for an excuse that can be used to mitigate the bad PR.
If, along the way, he gets some political pull out of grandstanding, then so much the better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233051</id>
	<title>hahaha</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Watch as your socialist country rots to hell, but at least everyone will be "equal".</p><p>"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Watch as your socialist country rots to hell , but at least everyone will be " equal " .
" From each according to his ability , to each according to his need "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Watch as your socialist country rots to hell, but at least everyone will be "equal".
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28248387</id>
	<title>Here are three things that Obama could do!</title>
	<author>The Seventh Sign</author>
	<datestamp>1244454000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1 Invalidate all M$ patents They want to become a foreign company Let them reapply for these patents as a foreign company.</p><p>2 Invalidate all H1-B workers visas and make them reapply as h1-b workers for the new company.</p><p>3 Import tax levee's need i say more?</p><p>TSS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 Invalidate all M $ patents They want to become a foreign company Let them reapply for these patents as a foreign company.2 Invalidate all H1-B workers visas and make them reapply as h1-b workers for the new company.3 Import tax levee 's need i say more ? TSS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1 Invalidate all M$ patents They want to become a foreign company Let them reapply for these patents as a foreign company.2 Invalidate all H1-B workers visas and make them reapply as h1-b workers for the new company.3 Import tax levee's need i say more?TSS</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236489</id>
	<title>I hope they do leave</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244283120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>good riddance</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>good riddance</tokentext>
<sentencetext>good riddance</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28238595</id>
	<title>What backlash if Balmer carries out threat?</title>
	<author>lsatenstein</author>
	<datestamp>1244303580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here comes the MAC and Linux, and SunOS and BSD, and to hell with Balmer.

He is fxxxing unpatriotic. The country is a vache &#195; lait (milk cow). Just keep on tucking at the teet and fill your bucket with nice warm dollars, and don't bother feeding the cow, you are going to slaughter it anyhow.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here comes the MAC and Linux , and SunOS and BSD , and to hell with Balmer .
He is fxxxing unpatriotic .
The country is a vache   lait ( milk cow ) .
Just keep on tucking at the teet and fill your bucket with nice warm dollars , and do n't bother feeding the cow , you are going to slaughter it anyhow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here comes the MAC and Linux, and SunOS and BSD, and to hell with Balmer.
He is fxxxing unpatriotic.
The country is a vache Ã lait (milk cow).
Just keep on tucking at the teet and fill your bucket with nice warm dollars, and don't bother feeding the cow, you are going to slaughter it anyhow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236103</id>
	<title>Not Delaware, or Even Switzerland or the Bahamas</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1244280480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We see a lot of INAL here on Slashdot, which is usually a cover for BS but:<br><br>M$ is currently a US corporation and many of its Officers are US citizens or domeciled in the US,the US government has them by the short-and-curlies. They must first re-domecile, then get non-US citizenship and then stay out of the US for the rest of their lives else any scam to get round what Obama persuades the US congress to enact can be very painful.<br><br>Eg. Count all worldwide income as income in the US and make officers personally liable if tax isn't paid. This would at least require the Corporation and all its Officers to get behind a realistic foreign domecile. That will be hard, Eire isn't feasable, I doubt Switzerland, which is, would play for various reasons, which leaves only a very few, all rather unpleasant countries eg North Korea, Iran or Zimbabwe.<br><br>While I dont doubt Monkey Boy is stupid enough to try this, realistically there is NO CHANCE and neither stockholders or employees will go along</htmltext>
<tokenext>We see a lot of INAL here on Slashdot , which is usually a cover for BS but : M $ is currently a US corporation and many of its Officers are US citizens or domeciled in the US,the US government has them by the short-and-curlies .
They must first re-domecile , then get non-US citizenship and then stay out of the US for the rest of their lives else any scam to get round what Obama persuades the US congress to enact can be very painful.Eg .
Count all worldwide income as income in the US and make officers personally liable if tax is n't paid .
This would at least require the Corporation and all its Officers to get behind a realistic foreign domecile .
That will be hard , Eire is n't feasable , I doubt Switzerland , which is , would play for various reasons , which leaves only a very few , all rather unpleasant countries eg North Korea , Iran or Zimbabwe.While I dont doubt Monkey Boy is stupid enough to try this , realistically there is NO CHANCE and neither stockholders or employees will go along</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We see a lot of INAL here on Slashdot, which is usually a cover for BS but:M$ is currently a US corporation and many of its Officers are US citizens or domeciled in the US,the US government has them by the short-and-curlies.
They must first re-domecile, then get non-US citizenship and then stay out of the US for the rest of their lives else any scam to get round what Obama persuades the US congress to enact can be very painful.Eg.
Count all worldwide income as income in the US and make officers personally liable if tax isn't paid.
This would at least require the Corporation and all its Officers to get behind a realistic foreign domecile.
That will be hard, Eire isn't feasable, I doubt Switzerland, which is, would play for various reasons, which leaves only a very few, all rather unpleasant countries eg North Korea, Iran or Zimbabwe.While I dont doubt Monkey Boy is stupid enough to try this, realistically there is NO CHANCE and neither stockholders or employees will go along</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232259</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232649</id>
	<title>Re:Evil, evil Microsoft...</title>
	<author>SnapShot</author>
	<datestamp>1244301300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have held MSFT over the last 10 years you would have been better off with your money in a savings account.</p><p>June 11, 1999 @ $39 to<br>June 4, 2009 @  $22.14</p><p>Other than a little bump in early 2000 at the end of the tech bubble, there is not a year in the last 10 where you would have been better off holding your MSFT rather than selling.</p><p>Maybe they (and most corporations) should spend less time trying to game the tax system or the H1A system or screwing around with politics and spend a little more time trying to make a decent product.  That is the ONLY thing that can increase shareholder value in the long term.  And those greedy, greedy shareholders should demand it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have held MSFT over the last 10 years you would have been better off with your money in a savings account.June 11 , 1999 @ $ 39 toJune 4 , 2009 @ $ 22.14Other than a little bump in early 2000 at the end of the tech bubble , there is not a year in the last 10 where you would have been better off holding your MSFT rather than selling.Maybe they ( and most corporations ) should spend less time trying to game the tax system or the H1A system or screwing around with politics and spend a little more time trying to make a decent product .
That is the ONLY thing that can increase shareholder value in the long term .
And those greedy , greedy shareholders should demand it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have held MSFT over the last 10 years you would have been better off with your money in a savings account.June 11, 1999 @ $39 toJune 4, 2009 @  $22.14Other than a little bump in early 2000 at the end of the tech bubble, there is not a year in the last 10 where you would have been better off holding your MSFT rather than selling.Maybe they (and most corporations) should spend less time trying to game the tax system or the H1A system or screwing around with politics and spend a little more time trying to make a decent product.
That is the ONLY thing that can increase shareholder value in the long term.
And those greedy, greedy shareholders should demand it...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232261</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232593</id>
	<title>Re:Ballmer threatens to pull out?</title>
	<author>DudleyDoorite</author>
	<datestamp>1244300940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ha!! That was beautiful!!  In a really creepy mental image sort of way......</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ha ! !
That was beautiful ! !
In a really creepy mental image sort of way..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ha!!
That was beautiful!!
In a really creepy mental image sort of way......</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234281</id>
	<title>Time for a boycott</title>
	<author>Ronin Developer</author>
	<datestamp>1244312040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally, it's this sort of rhetoric that makes me want to puke.  For me, if he pulls such a s stunt, I will no longer purchase MS software.  If enough people take this approach, MS will learn that their bottom line is dependent upon the people in THIS country.  Screw our workers...we screw them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , it 's this sort of rhetoric that makes me want to puke .
For me , if he pulls such a s stunt , I will no longer purchase MS software .
If enough people take this approach , MS will learn that their bottom line is dependent upon the people in THIS country .
Screw our workers...we screw them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, it's this sort of rhetoric that makes me want to puke.
For me, if he pulls such a s stunt, I will no longer purchase MS software.
If enough people take this approach, MS will learn that their bottom line is dependent upon the people in THIS country.
Screw our workers...we screw them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234151</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>tiananmen tank man</author>
	<datestamp>1244310960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But the customer has a choice to not pay those increased costs passed on to them by going to a different compnay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But the customer has a choice to not pay those increased costs passed on to them by going to a different compnay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the customer has a choice to not pay those increased costs passed on to them by going to a different compnay.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232237</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233343</id>
	<title>Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any chance he'll promise to stay away?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any chance he 'll promise to stay away ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any chance he'll promise to stay away?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237603</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>grege1</author>
	<datestamp>1244293560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Won't be a problem. If the corporations stop paying tax there won't be any Military or Government.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wo n't be a problem .
If the corporations stop paying tax there wo n't be any Military or Government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Won't be a problem.
If the corporations stop paying tax there won't be any Military or Government.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232281</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233851</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck! It's an idle threat by a hothead</title>
	<author>dodobh</author>
	<datestamp>1244308680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that developers are really a cost centre. Sales are what actually gets taxed, and all you need is an off-shore company. Like Haliburton.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that developers are really a cost centre .
Sales are what actually gets taxed , and all you need is an off-shore company .
Like Haliburton .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that developers are really a cost centre.
Sales are what actually gets taxed, and all you need is an off-shore company.
Like Haliburton.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232613</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233043</id>
	<title>Re:Like Delaware</title>
	<author>twostix</author>
	<datestamp>1244304000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think any country moves to China for their cheap tax rates and economic freedom your in for a little shock.</p><p>Dirty cheap labour on the other hand...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think any country moves to China for their cheap tax rates and economic freedom your in for a little shock.Dirty cheap labour on the other hand.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think any country moves to China for their cheap tax rates and economic freedom your in for a little shock.Dirty cheap labour on the other hand...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232259</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234333</id>
	<title>Re:On pulling out</title>
	<author>tiananmen tank man</author>
	<datestamp>1244312280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is the above comment really insightfull? All of Microsoft is trying to avoid paying corporate taxes, not all people use microsoft products and not all Microsoft customers avoid paying for a license.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is the above comment really insightfull ?
All of Microsoft is trying to avoid paying corporate taxes , not all people use microsoft products and not all Microsoft customers avoid paying for a license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is the above comment really insightfull?
All of Microsoft is trying to avoid paying corporate taxes, not all people use microsoft products and not all Microsoft customers avoid paying for a license.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232309</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233235</id>
	<title>Re:Not very bright...</title>
	<author>iggymanz</author>
	<datestamp>1244304900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>now that's a laugh, this country is ruled by minions of the petrodollar and banking cartels, and markets controlled to their benefit.  for that matter, it was founded on the principal of allowing slavery. And the last two years have seen the greatest acts of socialism in the history of mankind committed by the U.S. government (bailouts, injections, secret bank loaning systems).  what is this "capitalism" of which you speak, I see no evidence whatsoever of such.</htmltext>
<tokenext>now that 's a laugh , this country is ruled by minions of the petrodollar and banking cartels , and markets controlled to their benefit .
for that matter , it was founded on the principal of allowing slavery .
And the last two years have seen the greatest acts of socialism in the history of mankind committed by the U.S. government ( bailouts , injections , secret bank loaning systems ) .
what is this " capitalism " of which you speak , I see no evidence whatsoever of such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now that's a laugh, this country is ruled by minions of the petrodollar and banking cartels, and markets controlled to their benefit.
for that matter, it was founded on the principal of allowing slavery.
And the last two years have seen the greatest acts of socialism in the history of mankind committed by the U.S. government (bailouts, injections, secret bank loaning systems).
what is this "capitalism" of which you speak, I see no evidence whatsoever of such.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232397</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232811</id>
	<title>Re:Ballmer threatens to pull out?</title>
	<author>mcneely.mike</author>
	<datestamp>1244302320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's all about the condoms...condoms...condoms...condoms...condoms...<br>
<b> (Cue the monkey dance)</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's all about the condoms...condoms...condoms...condoms...condoms.. . ( Cue the monkey dance )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's all about the condoms...condoms...condoms...condoms...condoms...
 (Cue the monkey dance)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232363</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232709</id>
	<title>Re:Not very bright...</title>
	<author>sdturf</author>
	<datestamp>1244301660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"I don't want to pay my fair share"</p></div><p>Just being curious, what is \_your\_ fair share? I personally think we could run a constitutional sized government on a 3\% sales tax. But I would be interested in finding what percentage you think is fair.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" I do n't want to pay my fair share " Just being curious , what is \ _your \ _ fair share ?
I personally think we could run a constitutional sized government on a 3 \ % sales tax .
But I would be interested in finding what percentage you think is fair .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I don't want to pay my fair share"Just being curious, what is \_your\_ fair share?
I personally think we could run a constitutional sized government on a 3\% sales tax.
But I would be interested in finding what percentage you think is fair.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232267</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232585</id>
	<title>GOOD MS plz move to Dublin</title>
	<author>mrnick</author>
	<datestamp>1244300940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Microsoft pulls another stunt, like this, to rape the American people for every last dime then Maybe our government will grow a sack and ban any software from Dublin.  Or better yet put a tariff on software imported into the US to offset them using yet another loophole to avoid paying for the COB (Cost of doing business).</p><p>I hope I live long enough to visit Gate's grave.  Even though I'm sure his evil empire will live well beyond him we have to live for the little things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Microsoft pulls another stunt , like this , to rape the American people for every last dime then Maybe our government will grow a sack and ban any software from Dublin .
Or better yet put a tariff on software imported into the US to offset them using yet another loophole to avoid paying for the COB ( Cost of doing business ) .I hope I live long enough to visit Gate 's grave .
Even though I 'm sure his evil empire will live well beyond him we have to live for the little things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Microsoft pulls another stunt, like this, to rape the American people for every last dime then Maybe our government will grow a sack and ban any software from Dublin.
Or better yet put a tariff on software imported into the US to offset them using yet another loophole to avoid paying for the COB (Cost of doing business).I hope I live long enough to visit Gate's grave.
Even though I'm sure his evil empire will live well beyond him we have to live for the little things.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234001</id>
	<title>Good luck...</title>
	<author>ntimid8</author>
	<datestamp>1244309640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So long and thanks for all the fish...</htmltext>
<tokenext>So long and thanks for all the fish.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So long and thanks for all the fish...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232535</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244300640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you being serious or sarcastic?  I can't tell.
</p><p>There are people who believe that-- that corporations just pass their costs onto consumers, but it really doesn't work that way.  That's just the political talking point someone came up with to get people on the side of corporations.  The reality is, corporations spend lots of money lobbying to keep their taxes low.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you being serious or sarcastic ?
I ca n't tell .
There are people who believe that-- that corporations just pass their costs onto consumers , but it really does n't work that way .
That 's just the political talking point someone came up with to get people on the side of corporations .
The reality is , corporations spend lots of money lobbying to keep their taxes low .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you being serious or sarcastic?
I can't tell.
There are people who believe that-- that corporations just pass their costs onto consumers, but it really doesn't work that way.
That's just the political talking point someone came up with to get people on the side of corporations.
The reality is, corporations spend lots of money lobbying to keep their taxes low.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232237</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234225</id>
	<title>What competition??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244311560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I keep seeing people post that other companies will have an advantage over MS if they're having to pay higher tax rates, but no one is saying who that is.  Since this is Slashdot, I'm assuming most here would think that Linux and open source software is their competition...and they have no tax burden at all.  Apple also comes to mind, but they would also be taxed the same, so that's still equal.</p><p>Who are these other competitors that you guys are worried about?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I keep seeing people post that other companies will have an advantage over MS if they 're having to pay higher tax rates , but no one is saying who that is .
Since this is Slashdot , I 'm assuming most here would think that Linux and open source software is their competition...and they have no tax burden at all .
Apple also comes to mind , but they would also be taxed the same , so that 's still equal.Who are these other competitors that you guys are worried about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I keep seeing people post that other companies will have an advantage over MS if they're having to pay higher tax rates, but no one is saying who that is.
Since this is Slashdot, I'm assuming most here would think that Linux and open source software is their competition...and they have no tax burden at all.
Apple also comes to mind, but they would also be taxed the same, so that's still equal.Who are these other competitors that you guys are worried about?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235097</id>
	<title>Yet another reason to boycott Microsoft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244317920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go ahead, and pull out. All the way out, of the US market as well. If you can't abide by the rules and regs of the country that gave you the opportunities to become what you are, then to hell with you. Get the fark out of this country entirely and quit selling here. Then sell XP to a good, HONEST developer entity, so they can provide support and development, and leave. Good farking riddance!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go ahead , and pull out .
All the way out , of the US market as well .
If you ca n't abide by the rules and regs of the country that gave you the opportunities to become what you are , then to hell with you .
Get the fark out of this country entirely and quit selling here .
Then sell XP to a good , HONEST developer entity , so they can provide support and development , and leave .
Good farking riddance !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go ahead, and pull out.
All the way out, of the US market as well.
If you can't abide by the rules and regs of the country that gave you the opportunities to become what you are, then to hell with you.
Get the fark out of this country entirely and quit selling here.
Then sell XP to a good, HONEST developer entity, so they can provide support and development, and leave.
Good farking riddance!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233241</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>AdamHaun</author>
	<datestamp>1244304960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't it really be the shareholders paying the tax, anyway? That's where most of the dividends go, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it really be the shareholders paying the tax , anyway ?
That 's where most of the dividends go , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it really be the shareholders paying the tax, anyway?
That's where most of the dividends go, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232373</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233335</id>
	<title>Re:Evil, evil Microsoft...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>MSFT has undergone two two-for-one stock splits in that period.  That means that if you had bought one $39 share in 1999 you would now have four $22.14 shares now, at a total value of $88.56.  Factoring in compound interest, that works out to an equivalent of an 8.5\% annual ROI (((22.14*4) / 39)^(1/10)).  My savings account doesn't give me 8.5\%...</htmltext>
<tokenext>MSFT has undergone two two-for-one stock splits in that period .
That means that if you had bought one $ 39 share in 1999 you would now have four $ 22.14 shares now , at a total value of $ 88.56 .
Factoring in compound interest , that works out to an equivalent of an 8.5 \ % annual ROI ( ( ( 22.14 * 4 ) / 39 ) ^ ( 1/10 ) ) .
My savings account does n't give me 8.5 \ % .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MSFT has undergone two two-for-one stock splits in that period.
That means that if you had bought one $39 share in 1999 you would now have four $22.14 shares now, at a total value of $88.56.
Factoring in compound interest, that works out to an equivalent of an 8.5\% annual ROI (((22.14*4) / 39)^(1/10)).
My savings account doesn't give me 8.5\%...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232649</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234085</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>artor3</author>
	<datestamp>1244310360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, cause clearly the government has done nothing to help the companies within its borders.  It certainly doesn't provide education for their workforce, roads for their commuters, patent/copyright/trademark protection, investment in pure research that forms the basis of private R&amp;D, emergency personnel to save them from natural disasters, military protection, retirement and insurance benefits for their employees, regulation of the markets so their stock can't be manipulated, and so forth.</p><p>Yup, those greedy government bastards!  Demanding we provide the money for the services they provide!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , cause clearly the government has done nothing to help the companies within its borders .
It certainly does n't provide education for their workforce , roads for their commuters , patent/copyright/trademark protection , investment in pure research that forms the basis of private R&amp;D , emergency personnel to save them from natural disasters , military protection , retirement and insurance benefits for their employees , regulation of the markets so their stock ca n't be manipulated , and so forth.Yup , those greedy government bastards !
Demanding we provide the money for the services they provide !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, cause clearly the government has done nothing to help the companies within its borders.
It certainly doesn't provide education for their workforce, roads for their commuters, patent/copyright/trademark protection, investment in pure research that forms the basis of private R&amp;D, emergency personnel to save them from natural disasters, military protection, retirement and insurance benefits for their employees, regulation of the markets so their stock can't be manipulated, and so forth.Yup, those greedy government bastards!
Demanding we provide the money for the services they provide!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237499</id>
	<title>*Buy* a tax haven?</title>
	<author>ChunderDownunder</author>
	<datestamp>1244292600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But I do believe he has a point about seeking out the lowest cost of business, and if it comes down to it, I wouldn't be surprised to see Microsoft move all accounts receivabo to a tax haven and just keep cost centers in the U.S.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Forget Ireland or the off-shoring giants of India or China. MS could simply <b>buy</b> a small micro-nation and set its own taxation agenda.
<br> <br>
Let's look at Microsoft:
<br> <br>
Net income: 17.681 billion<br>
Employees:  89,809
<br> <br>
Now compare Andorra, an existing tax-haven country nestled in the Pyrenees, bordered by France and Spain:
<br> <br>
GDP:        $2.77 billion<br>
Population: 88,700</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But I do believe he has a point about seeking out the lowest cost of business , and if it comes down to it , I would n't be surprised to see Microsoft move all accounts receivabo to a tax haven and just keep cost centers in the U.S . Forget Ireland or the off-shoring giants of India or China .
MS could simply buy a small micro-nation and set its own taxation agenda .
Let 's look at Microsoft : Net income : 17.681 billion Employees : 89,809 Now compare Andorra , an existing tax-haven country nestled in the Pyrenees , bordered by France and Spain : GDP : $ 2.77 billion Population : 88,700</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I do believe he has a point about seeking out the lowest cost of business, and if it comes down to it, I wouldn't be surprised to see Microsoft move all accounts receivabo to a tax haven and just keep cost centers in the U.S.
Forget Ireland or the off-shoring giants of India or China.
MS could simply buy a small micro-nation and set its own taxation agenda.
Let's look at Microsoft:
 
Net income: 17.681 billion
Employees:  89,809
 
Now compare Andorra, an existing tax-haven country nestled in the Pyrenees, bordered by France and Spain:
 
GDP:        $2.77 billion
Population: 88,700
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233985</id>
	<title>Did no one read the article?</title>
	<author>ekimd</author>
	<datestamp>1244309580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hasn't anyone RTF?  These aren't profits from inside the US, they're international profits.  Why should the American gov't be able to tax international revenue in the first place IF that revenue is kept and invested internationally?  I hate Microsoft as much as the next man, but Balmer is actually making a lot of sense here.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has n't anyone RTF ?
These are n't profits from inside the US , they 're international profits .
Why should the American gov't be able to tax international revenue in the first place IF that revenue is kept and invested internationally ?
I hate Microsoft as much as the next man , but Balmer is actually making a lot of sense here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hasn't anyone RTF?
These aren't profits from inside the US, they're international profits.
Why should the American gov't be able to tax international revenue in the first place IF that revenue is kept and invested internationally?
I hate Microsoft as much as the next man, but Balmer is actually making a lot of sense here.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233003</id>
	<title>We live in interesting times</title>
	<author>AnalPerfume</author>
	<datestamp>1244303820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This seems like Microsoft are running scared, that they don't understand how to continue robbing people blind in this economy.<br><br>1 - Vista bombed.<br>2 - Netbooks arrived so they had to take a huge profit hit per Windows license to keep Linux out.<br>3 - The economy went into recession so many of their customers are struggling to survive and expensive Microsoft upgrades which give very little ROI are not high on the agenda.<br>4 - Almost every department of Microsoft either loses money, barely breaks even or is facing being closed.<br>5 - Every new market Microsoft try to buy / bully their way into, the users don't want what Microsoft offer them.<br>6 - Both Microsoft's flagship earners are under threat, meaning everything else has a tightened budget.<br>7 - Microsoft's profits were down 32\% last quarter (I think) with no realistic (from anyone other than the astroturfers) of it getting better anytime soon.<br>8 - The public have turned hostile towards greedy, rich CEOs / corporations who abuse the public for their own aims.<br><br>Given all these pressures is it any wonder that Microsoft want to try this tactic? They habitually lie, cheat, bully, bribe to get their way, why leave blackmail off the list? Either your policy is something we can live with or we move (more) US jobs overseas and leave you with a higher unemployment figure to deal with.<br><br>First, I think it's Ballmers usual used-car-salesman routine of bluffing to get his way rather than something Microsoft would actually carry out but then, they have been laying off a LOT of people in staggered announcements presumably so it don't sound that bad in the media. Or perhaps the rules for telling the stock exchange dictate the staggering of layoffs. Who knows, maybe Microsoft are paving the way for a full scale abandonment of the US. Maybe they've found a country more corruptible to set up base.<br><br>Second, if they did move out of the US at this time, I believe it would backfire big time on them. They'd be painted as unpatriotic, greedy bastards who bailed on the US as a major employer who wouldn't help play their part in rebuilding the US economy when it's struggling. Ordinary Americans would be hostile towards them, companies wouldn't want to be seen to be associated with them, so a program to switch everything away from Microsoft products would be in play in many corporations. Governments would be pressured to do the same.<br><br>This is why I believe Microsoft would never leave the US, certainly not when the economy is in the state it is and people are struggling financially. When times are better and the recession is over, people have money to spend on Microsoft products again, so it's not a good time to alienate them then either.<br><br>In short, it's the usual elite bluff to try and make the politicians blink and change policy. My response would be a full IRS tax inspection for the Microsoft board members personally, and Microsoft as a corporation since they seem to think THEY are in charge. Any money transferred overseas into a tax haven is seen as tax evasion and punished accordingly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This seems like Microsoft are running scared , that they do n't understand how to continue robbing people blind in this economy.1 - Vista bombed.2 - Netbooks arrived so they had to take a huge profit hit per Windows license to keep Linux out.3 - The economy went into recession so many of their customers are struggling to survive and expensive Microsoft upgrades which give very little ROI are not high on the agenda.4 - Almost every department of Microsoft either loses money , barely breaks even or is facing being closed.5 - Every new market Microsoft try to buy / bully their way into , the users do n't want what Microsoft offer them.6 - Both Microsoft 's flagship earners are under threat , meaning everything else has a tightened budget.7 - Microsoft 's profits were down 32 \ % last quarter ( I think ) with no realistic ( from anyone other than the astroturfers ) of it getting better anytime soon.8 - The public have turned hostile towards greedy , rich CEOs / corporations who abuse the public for their own aims.Given all these pressures is it any wonder that Microsoft want to try this tactic ?
They habitually lie , cheat , bully , bribe to get their way , why leave blackmail off the list ?
Either your policy is something we can live with or we move ( more ) US jobs overseas and leave you with a higher unemployment figure to deal with.First , I think it 's Ballmers usual used-car-salesman routine of bluffing to get his way rather than something Microsoft would actually carry out but then , they have been laying off a LOT of people in staggered announcements presumably so it do n't sound that bad in the media .
Or perhaps the rules for telling the stock exchange dictate the staggering of layoffs .
Who knows , maybe Microsoft are paving the way for a full scale abandonment of the US .
Maybe they 've found a country more corruptible to set up base.Second , if they did move out of the US at this time , I believe it would backfire big time on them .
They 'd be painted as unpatriotic , greedy bastards who bailed on the US as a major employer who would n't help play their part in rebuilding the US economy when it 's struggling .
Ordinary Americans would be hostile towards them , companies would n't want to be seen to be associated with them , so a program to switch everything away from Microsoft products would be in play in many corporations .
Governments would be pressured to do the same.This is why I believe Microsoft would never leave the US , certainly not when the economy is in the state it is and people are struggling financially .
When times are better and the recession is over , people have money to spend on Microsoft products again , so it 's not a good time to alienate them then either.In short , it 's the usual elite bluff to try and make the politicians blink and change policy .
My response would be a full IRS tax inspection for the Microsoft board members personally , and Microsoft as a corporation since they seem to think THEY are in charge .
Any money transferred overseas into a tax haven is seen as tax evasion and punished accordingly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems like Microsoft are running scared, that they don't understand how to continue robbing people blind in this economy.1 - Vista bombed.2 - Netbooks arrived so they had to take a huge profit hit per Windows license to keep Linux out.3 - The economy went into recession so many of their customers are struggling to survive and expensive Microsoft upgrades which give very little ROI are not high on the agenda.4 - Almost every department of Microsoft either loses money, barely breaks even or is facing being closed.5 - Every new market Microsoft try to buy / bully their way into, the users don't want what Microsoft offer them.6 - Both Microsoft's flagship earners are under threat, meaning everything else has a tightened budget.7 - Microsoft's profits were down 32\% last quarter (I think) with no realistic (from anyone other than the astroturfers) of it getting better anytime soon.8 - The public have turned hostile towards greedy, rich CEOs / corporations who abuse the public for their own aims.Given all these pressures is it any wonder that Microsoft want to try this tactic?
They habitually lie, cheat, bully, bribe to get their way, why leave blackmail off the list?
Either your policy is something we can live with or we move (more) US jobs overseas and leave you with a higher unemployment figure to deal with.First, I think it's Ballmers usual used-car-salesman routine of bluffing to get his way rather than something Microsoft would actually carry out but then, they have been laying off a LOT of people in staggered announcements presumably so it don't sound that bad in the media.
Or perhaps the rules for telling the stock exchange dictate the staggering of layoffs.
Who knows, maybe Microsoft are paving the way for a full scale abandonment of the US.
Maybe they've found a country more corruptible to set up base.Second, if they did move out of the US at this time, I believe it would backfire big time on them.
They'd be painted as unpatriotic, greedy bastards who bailed on the US as a major employer who wouldn't help play their part in rebuilding the US economy when it's struggling.
Ordinary Americans would be hostile towards them, companies wouldn't want to be seen to be associated with them, so a program to switch everything away from Microsoft products would be in play in many corporations.
Governments would be pressured to do the same.This is why I believe Microsoft would never leave the US, certainly not when the economy is in the state it is and people are struggling financially.
When times are better and the recession is over, people have money to spend on Microsoft products again, so it's not a good time to alienate them then either.In short, it's the usual elite bluff to try and make the politicians blink and change policy.
My response would be a full IRS tax inspection for the Microsoft board members personally, and Microsoft as a corporation since they seem to think THEY are in charge.
Any money transferred overseas into a tax haven is seen as tax evasion and punished accordingly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235071</id>
	<title>enforcing stupid laws</title>
	<author>bugi</author>
	<datestamp>1244317740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When large portions of those subject to a law regard it with derision, then the law is stupid.</p><p>Take for instance alcohol prohibition, recreational drug prohibition, prostitution criminalization and abusive copyright.  All widely ridiculed and flaunted.</p><p>Tax loopholes are just tax cuts disguised to preserve politicians' careers.  Let's get rid of the loopholes, so that we can discuss what taxes really should be.  Out in the light of day like this, taxes may even start to make sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When large portions of those subject to a law regard it with derision , then the law is stupid.Take for instance alcohol prohibition , recreational drug prohibition , prostitution criminalization and abusive copyright .
All widely ridiculed and flaunted.Tax loopholes are just tax cuts disguised to preserve politicians ' careers .
Let 's get rid of the loopholes , so that we can discuss what taxes really should be .
Out in the light of day like this , taxes may even start to make sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When large portions of those subject to a law regard it with derision, then the law is stupid.Take for instance alcohol prohibition, recreational drug prohibition, prostitution criminalization and abusive copyright.
All widely ridiculed and flaunted.Tax loopholes are just tax cuts disguised to preserve politicians' careers.
Let's get rid of the loopholes, so that we can discuss what taxes really should be.
Out in the light of day like this, taxes may even start to make sense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28240445</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck! It's an idle threat by a hothead</title>
	<author>SL Baur</author>
	<datestamp>1244378100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In summation: "CHKDSK-OFF" Balmer.</p></div><p>There, fixed that for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In summation : " CHKDSK-OFF " Balmer.There , fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In summation: "CHKDSK-OFF" Balmer.There, fixed that for you.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237599</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>folstaff</author>
	<datestamp>1244293560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ireland maybe the least "EU" of the EU countries. They voted no on the last EU constitution mainly to protect their lower corporate tax rates, which is bringing a lot of business to Ireland.
<br> <br>We need tax reform (simplification, clarity, yada yada yada), both personal and corporate, not just tax increases.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ireland maybe the least " EU " of the EU countries .
They voted no on the last EU constitution mainly to protect their lower corporate tax rates , which is bringing a lot of business to Ireland .
We need tax reform ( simplification , clarity , yada yada yada ) , both personal and corporate , not just tax increases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ireland maybe the least "EU" of the EU countries.
They voted no on the last EU constitution mainly to protect their lower corporate tax rates, which is bringing a lot of business to Ireland.
We need tax reform (simplification, clarity, yada yada yada), both personal and corporate, not just tax increases.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236721</id>
	<title>Re:Not very bright...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244285160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Calling current taxes "excessive" is a big reveal of your true opinion on the matter (that, or your true ignorance of the actual tax rates paid by corporations?). US taxes are *low*, laughably low. There are maybe two civilized countries with lower corporate tax rates right now - and their economies imploded during the start of the banking crisis. Even if we were to compare our on-paper rates to the rest of the world's in practice rates, we'd still be low.</p><p>But no, ignore all that, it's really just one big (false) dichotomy between Big Government and Big Corporate...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Calling current taxes " excessive " is a big reveal of your true opinion on the matter ( that , or your true ignorance of the actual tax rates paid by corporations ? ) .
US taxes are * low * , laughably low .
There are maybe two civilized countries with lower corporate tax rates right now - and their economies imploded during the start of the banking crisis .
Even if we were to compare our on-paper rates to the rest of the world 's in practice rates , we 'd still be low.But no , ignore all that , it 's really just one big ( false ) dichotomy between Big Government and Big Corporate.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Calling current taxes "excessive" is a big reveal of your true opinion on the matter (that, or your true ignorance of the actual tax rates paid by corporations?).
US taxes are *low*, laughably low.
There are maybe two civilized countries with lower corporate tax rates right now - and their economies imploded during the start of the banking crisis.
Even if we were to compare our on-paper rates to the rest of the world's in practice rates, we'd still be low.But no, ignore all that, it's really just one big (false) dichotomy between Big Government and Big Corporate...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234603</id>
	<title>I say this with love to microsoft!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244314500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you,<br>Come again!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you,Come again !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you,Come again!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233201</id>
	<title>Re:Let them go, but, make their life miserable.</title>
	<author>Boomerang Fish</author>
	<datestamp>1244304720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Directive 10-289 anybody?</p><p>--<br>why do I bother?  no one reads anymore anyways...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Directive 10-289 anybody ? --why do I bother ?
no one reads anymore anyways.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Directive 10-289 anybody?--why do I bother?
no one reads anymore anyways...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28240907</id>
	<title>Worried about taxes in WA State?</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1244385420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>WA State is already heavily taxed, and Seattle is ridiculously expensive.  If Ballmer were intelligent, he'd threaten to move to Raleigh, or Austin, or Boise, or Salt Lake, or Phoenix, or Denver, or any number of affordable cities with a decent tech culture.</htmltext>
<tokenext>WA State is already heavily taxed , and Seattle is ridiculously expensive .
If Ballmer were intelligent , he 'd threaten to move to Raleigh , or Austin , or Boise , or Salt Lake , or Phoenix , or Denver , or any number of affordable cities with a decent tech culture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WA State is already heavily taxed, and Seattle is ridiculously expensive.
If Ballmer were intelligent, he'd threaten to move to Raleigh, or Austin, or Boise, or Salt Lake, or Phoenix, or Denver, or any number of affordable cities with a decent tech culture.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237267</id>
	<title>Not sure if this could work but.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244290380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they really wanted to discourage outsourcing of labor to avoid higher taxes, they could just try and have it import taxes relative to their countries of origin so their net taxation on the goods is equal regardless of where they came from.</p><p>Say we charge 15\% taxes on the goods and they move to country "X" that charges 8\% taxes on the goods. We could have our import tax from said country setup so they pay an extra 7\% income tax on the goods so even if they left here and tried to avoid the taxes on it, they would still be stuck paying it on every item they shipped here.</p><p>I am sorry if I got this wrong as I am not exactly too knowledgeable on this area. But I figured I would just throw it out there.</p><p>I figure with an approach such as this moving out of the country would not make their in country prices any cheaper while the loss of faith from the countries government and people would be a big deal to lose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they really wanted to discourage outsourcing of labor to avoid higher taxes , they could just try and have it import taxes relative to their countries of origin so their net taxation on the goods is equal regardless of where they came from.Say we charge 15 \ % taxes on the goods and they move to country " X " that charges 8 \ % taxes on the goods .
We could have our import tax from said country setup so they pay an extra 7 \ % income tax on the goods so even if they left here and tried to avoid the taxes on it , they would still be stuck paying it on every item they shipped here.I am sorry if I got this wrong as I am not exactly too knowledgeable on this area .
But I figured I would just throw it out there.I figure with an approach such as this moving out of the country would not make their in country prices any cheaper while the loss of faith from the countries government and people would be a big deal to lose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they really wanted to discourage outsourcing of labor to avoid higher taxes, they could just try and have it import taxes relative to their countries of origin so their net taxation on the goods is equal regardless of where they came from.Say we charge 15\% taxes on the goods and they move to country "X" that charges 8\% taxes on the goods.
We could have our import tax from said country setup so they pay an extra 7\% income tax on the goods so even if they left here and tried to avoid the taxes on it, they would still be stuck paying it on every item they shipped here.I am sorry if I got this wrong as I am not exactly too knowledgeable on this area.
But I figured I would just throw it out there.I figure with an approach such as this moving out of the country would not make their in country prices any cheaper while the loss of faith from the countries government and people would be a big deal to lose.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237581</id>
	<title>buh-bye baldy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244293380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dont let the door hit your ass on the way out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232437</id>
	<title>This is a much bigger problem than MS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244299920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ballmer's statement is simply the truth for a whole lot of industries. Supposedly, the fabric for your Levi's jeans is shipped to China to be cut into parts and then shipped back to the USA for sewing together. The LCD TV you buy from Sharp isn't really a constructed TV until the plastic bezel is snapped on here in the USA. All of this is done so that companies can avoid taxes. Companies are in business to provide a return on their shareholders' investment.  Wall Street doesn't care if the profit margin went down because the government changed the tax laws.  Investors will find some other company to invest their money. Adapting to the rules governments' place on them is part of doing business. IMO, this really isn't any different than when we 'forget' to pay the sales tax on stuff we bought from out-of-state. We all work the system to the extent that we can.  I think this is just another example of the disconnect between the government and the real world.  Seems to me the optimal solution would be to change the tax law so that these companies tax burden matches what they are achieving using these offshore loopholes and then eliminate the loopholes.  That might encourage the companies to bring the jobs and profit back the the USA.  We certainly could use the jobs right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ballmer 's statement is simply the truth for a whole lot of industries .
Supposedly , the fabric for your Levi 's jeans is shipped to China to be cut into parts and then shipped back to the USA for sewing together .
The LCD TV you buy from Sharp is n't really a constructed TV until the plastic bezel is snapped on here in the USA .
All of this is done so that companies can avoid taxes .
Companies are in business to provide a return on their shareholders ' investment .
Wall Street does n't care if the profit margin went down because the government changed the tax laws .
Investors will find some other company to invest their money .
Adapting to the rules governments ' place on them is part of doing business .
IMO , this really is n't any different than when we 'forget ' to pay the sales tax on stuff we bought from out-of-state .
We all work the system to the extent that we can .
I think this is just another example of the disconnect between the government and the real world .
Seems to me the optimal solution would be to change the tax law so that these companies tax burden matches what they are achieving using these offshore loopholes and then eliminate the loopholes .
That might encourage the companies to bring the jobs and profit back the the USA .
We certainly could use the jobs right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ballmer's statement is simply the truth for a whole lot of industries.
Supposedly, the fabric for your Levi's jeans is shipped to China to be cut into parts and then shipped back to the USA for sewing together.
The LCD TV you buy from Sharp isn't really a constructed TV until the plastic bezel is snapped on here in the USA.
All of this is done so that companies can avoid taxes.
Companies are in business to provide a return on their shareholders' investment.
Wall Street doesn't care if the profit margin went down because the government changed the tax laws.
Investors will find some other company to invest their money.
Adapting to the rules governments' place on them is part of doing business.
IMO, this really isn't any different than when we 'forget' to pay the sales tax on stuff we bought from out-of-state.
We all work the system to the extent that we can.
I think this is just another example of the disconnect between the government and the real world.
Seems to me the optimal solution would be to change the tax law so that these companies tax burden matches what they are achieving using these offshore loopholes and then eliminate the loopholes.
That might encourage the companies to bring the jobs and profit back the the USA.
We certainly could use the jobs right now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232461</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>WheelDweller</author>
	<datestamp>1244300100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Very true. But if they pull out of the US, they actually get to *keep* the profits. Let's face it- we're talking about a lot of them, here.  Last I looked, Bill had $39B and Microsoft had something like $40B. That's big money, unless you were elected to Congress.</p><p>I was annoyed with the time-honored rhetoric "Billionare Ballmer said". As in several quarters, like science, several kinds of professional people have been seduced, and there's always time for class warfare from the state-run media. It's NOT EVIL TO HAVE MONEY.</p><p>Until the angry Left wakes up and smells the depression, all we can do is wait and think about how to get out of this hole we've permitted ourselves to fall in.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very true .
But if they pull out of the US , they actually get to * keep * the profits .
Let 's face it- we 're talking about a lot of them , here .
Last I looked , Bill had $ 39B and Microsoft had something like $ 40B .
That 's big money , unless you were elected to Congress.I was annoyed with the time-honored rhetoric " Billionare Ballmer said " .
As in several quarters , like science , several kinds of professional people have been seduced , and there 's always time for class warfare from the state-run media .
It 's NOT EVIL TO HAVE MONEY.Until the angry Left wakes up and smells the depression , all we can do is wait and think about how to get out of this hole we 've permitted ourselves to fall in .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very true.
But if they pull out of the US, they actually get to *keep* the profits.
Let's face it- we're talking about a lot of them, here.
Last I looked, Bill had $39B and Microsoft had something like $40B.
That's big money, unless you were elected to Congress.I was annoyed with the time-honored rhetoric "Billionare Ballmer said".
As in several quarters, like science, several kinds of professional people have been seduced, and there's always time for class warfare from the state-run media.
It's NOT EVIL TO HAVE MONEY.Until the angry Left wakes up and smells the depression, all we can do is wait and think about how to get out of this hole we've permitted ourselves to fall in.
:(</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232237</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232331</id>
	<title>Look out Obama</title>
	<author>yabos</author>
	<datestamp>1244299080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Monkey Man has spoken!  You may have to duck for flying chairs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Monkey Man has spoken !
You may have to duck for flying chairs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Monkey Man has spoken!
You may have to duck for flying chairs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237695</id>
	<title>Re:No Surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244294460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You think this has ANYTHING to do with IT? All business have the same issue with the US, anyone that can afford the setup cost has already moved manufacturing out of the US, many have moved there entire businesses, a greedy government forces them to do this just to compete. Furniture/clothing/food/manufacturing has all been trickling out of the country for years and it is NOT because the businesses are Anti American or unpatriotic or just tax avoiders, it is because they want to be able to compete in a global economy and do what they are supposed to do (make money for there shareholders), something that is becoming more and more difficult under an oppressive tax system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You think this has ANYTHING to do with IT ?
All business have the same issue with the US , anyone that can afford the setup cost has already moved manufacturing out of the US , many have moved there entire businesses , a greedy government forces them to do this just to compete .
Furniture/clothing/food/manufacturing has all been trickling out of the country for years and it is NOT because the businesses are Anti American or unpatriotic or just tax avoiders , it is because they want to be able to compete in a global economy and do what they are supposed to do ( make money for there shareholders ) , something that is becoming more and more difficult under an oppressive tax system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think this has ANYTHING to do with IT?
All business have the same issue with the US, anyone that can afford the setup cost has already moved manufacturing out of the US, many have moved there entire businesses, a greedy government forces them to do this just to compete.
Furniture/clothing/food/manufacturing has all been trickling out of the country for years and it is NOT because the businesses are Anti American or unpatriotic or just tax avoiders, it is because they want to be able to compete in a global economy and do what they are supposed to do (make money for there shareholders), something that is becoming more and more difficult under an oppressive tax system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232275</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232365</id>
	<title>I say if they do the US retaliate</title>
	<author>ndavis</author>
	<datestamp>1244299380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I say the US then goes after Microsoft and EULA that they put on their software declaring it illegal and that they must pay a fine as well as return $30 to every person who owns a copy of windows.  I say that would make Ballmer shut his trap.

Not to mention I would love to claim a few hundred for the copies of windows I was forced to own.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I say the US then goes after Microsoft and EULA that they put on their software declaring it illegal and that they must pay a fine as well as return $ 30 to every person who owns a copy of windows .
I say that would make Ballmer shut his trap .
Not to mention I would love to claim a few hundred for the copies of windows I was forced to own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say the US then goes after Microsoft and EULA that they put on their software declaring it illegal and that they must pay a fine as well as return $30 to every person who owns a copy of windows.
I say that would make Ballmer shut his trap.
Not to mention I would love to claim a few hundred for the copies of windows I was forced to own.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232249</id>
	<title>Move employees offshore</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244298420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's just like moving rack mounted servers offshore. Just box them, ship them, and install in the new offices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's just like moving rack mounted servers offshore .
Just box them , ship them , and install in the new offices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's just like moving rack mounted servers offshore.
Just box them, ship them, and install in the new offices.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232297</id>
	<title>great news, hope he follows thru!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244298840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this is fantastic!  One of the biggest corporations in the world saying NO to obama and his liberal agenda.  if the rest of the business in this country would follow suit maybe the 'tax and spend' nonsense would finally stop!  once and for all!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is fantastic !
One of the biggest corporations in the world saying NO to obama and his liberal agenda .
if the rest of the business in this country would follow suit maybe the 'tax and spend ' nonsense would finally stop !
once and for all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is fantastic!
One of the biggest corporations in the world saying NO to obama and his liberal agenda.
if the rest of the business in this country would follow suit maybe the 'tax and spend' nonsense would finally stop!
once and for all!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232579</id>
	<title>The Spoiled Kid</title>
	<author>darkcmd</author>
	<datestamp>1244300880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ballmer is like a spoiled kid who whines because he didn't get a toy during the family trip to Walmart.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ballmer is like a spoiled kid who whines because he did n't get a toy during the family trip to Walmart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ballmer is like a spoiled kid who whines because he didn't get a toy during the family trip to Walmart.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232373</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Hans Lehmann</author>
	<datestamp>1244299440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Individuals don't pay tax.  Not really.  We pass that tax to our employers by charging higher salaries.

Can I get a free ride now just like a corporation??</htmltext>
<tokenext>Individuals do n't pay tax .
Not really .
We pass that tax to our employers by charging higher salaries .
Can I get a free ride now just like a corporation ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Individuals don't pay tax.
Not really.
We pass that tax to our employers by charging higher salaries.
Can I get a free ride now just like a corporation?
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232237</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28241405</id>
	<title>Hey I spotted something ironic</title>
	<author>cavebison</author>
	<datestamp>1244391000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>reading this post just after one about media corporations complaining about lost income through piracy.</p><p>Why don't we have a global "Talk Like a Mogul Day"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>reading this post just after one about media corporations complaining about lost income through piracy.Why do n't we have a global " Talk Like a Mogul Day " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>reading this post just after one about media corporations complaining about lost income through piracy.Why don't we have a global "Talk Like a Mogul Day"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232889</id>
	<title>Re:Ballmer threatens to pull out?</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1244302980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or chanting "FERTilizers! FERTilizers! FERTilizers!" while the veins under his reddened face appear ready to burst.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or chanting " FERTilizers !
FERTilizers ! FERTilizers !
" while the veins under his reddened face appear ready to burst .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or chanting "FERTilizers!
FERTilizers! FERTilizers!
" while the veins under his reddened face appear ready to burst.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232363</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232265</id>
	<title>And as a reward...</title>
	<author>rkhalloran</author>
	<datestamp>1244298600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While it is a requirement of a corporation to maximize the shareholders' value, Ballmer is simply grandstanding and expecting the government to roll over for MS' benefit.  The current administration is much less submissive to corporate political desires.</p><p>The Administration should <b>VERY</b> publicly call them out and recommend government offices immediately develop a schedule for converting as much of the IT infrastructure as possible away from MS software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While it is a requirement of a corporation to maximize the shareholders ' value , Ballmer is simply grandstanding and expecting the government to roll over for MS ' benefit .
The current administration is much less submissive to corporate political desires.The Administration should VERY publicly call them out and recommend government offices immediately develop a schedule for converting as much of the IT infrastructure as possible away from MS software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While it is a requirement of a corporation to maximize the shareholders' value, Ballmer is simply grandstanding and expecting the government to roll over for MS' benefit.
The current administration is much less submissive to corporate political desires.The Administration should VERY publicly call them out and recommend government offices immediately develop a schedule for converting as much of the IT infrastructure as possible away from MS software.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28263769</id>
	<title>North Korea Would Be PERFECT!</title>
	<author>StevenABallmer</author>
	<datestamp>1244551980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Low wages, slavery and nuclear power, I like it!

<a href="http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com/" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com/</a> [blogspot.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Low wages , slavery and nuclear power , I like it !
http : //fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com/ [ blogspot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Low wages, slavery and nuclear power, I like it!
http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234391</id>
	<title>Hypocrites</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244312640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How much do you want to bet the if Ballmer pulled MS out of the US that his fat bastard ass would still live here?  Sure, offshore is good enough for workers, but not good enough for the pigs that run the companies.  He would still live in one of his US mansions and enjoy his lavish US lifestyle while underpaid workers in other countries make the product that made (and keeps) him disgustingly rich, while sending US workers to the unemployment line.<br> <br>

I say that Ballmer, Palmisano, and all the other assholes that run these offshore loving companies should have to go live in the countries they think are so great.  And not just live there in a gated mansion on a hillside, but live there in the conditions that they want all their employees to live in.<br> <br>

Corporate pigs just don't get it.  They are so far removed from the real world that we underlings live in that they don't realize that as soon as none of us have any money to spend on their products, they aren't going to be so rich anymore.  And every time they pull this shit, they take money out of the pockets of those very people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How much do you want to bet the if Ballmer pulled MS out of the US that his fat bastard ass would still live here ?
Sure , offshore is good enough for workers , but not good enough for the pigs that run the companies .
He would still live in one of his US mansions and enjoy his lavish US lifestyle while underpaid workers in other countries make the product that made ( and keeps ) him disgustingly rich , while sending US workers to the unemployment line .
I say that Ballmer , Palmisano , and all the other assholes that run these offshore loving companies should have to go live in the countries they think are so great .
And not just live there in a gated mansion on a hillside , but live there in the conditions that they want all their employees to live in .
Corporate pigs just do n't get it .
They are so far removed from the real world that we underlings live in that they do n't realize that as soon as none of us have any money to spend on their products , they are n't going to be so rich anymore .
And every time they pull this shit , they take money out of the pockets of those very people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much do you want to bet the if Ballmer pulled MS out of the US that his fat bastard ass would still live here?
Sure, offshore is good enough for workers, but not good enough for the pigs that run the companies.
He would still live in one of his US mansions and enjoy his lavish US lifestyle while underpaid workers in other countries make the product that made (and keeps) him disgustingly rich, while sending US workers to the unemployment line.
I say that Ballmer, Palmisano, and all the other assholes that run these offshore loving companies should have to go live in the countries they think are so great.
And not just live there in a gated mansion on a hillside, but live there in the conditions that they want all their employees to live in.
Corporate pigs just don't get it.
They are so far removed from the real world that we underlings live in that they don't realize that as soon as none of us have any money to spend on their products, they aren't going to be so rich anymore.
And every time they pull this shit, they take money out of the pockets of those very people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233951</id>
	<title>Stock Holders are the last refuge of the scoundrel</title>
	<author>hardcache</author>
	<datestamp>1244309340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the name of share holders companies do many things.  Enron and World Com are two companies that always acted in the best interest of shareholders - their stocks skyrocketed and exceeded numerous quarterly estimates.

For an American company to complain about the taxes US corporations pay is outrageous.  Companies in the U.S. do not pay as much as China, Japan, Britain, or Germany - in terms of taxes.  Within the U.S. companies pit States against one another to see how much a State will cut funding to local schools most in order to "win" a new factory or office location.  China does not allow majority ownership of any foreign investment in China - in addition these companies pay out a variety of social taxes to both the State and local community.

The U.S. does not compete with Ireland &amp; co.  That would be a race to the lowest common denominator for any of the world's top ten economies.

As for Microsoft - to state that they cannot keep US workers in the US because of a fiduciary duty to shareholders... Share Holder Interest has always been the last refuge of a scoundrel.  If it was up to shareholders companies would only be around until the sold them or used a short sale and wanted them to fail.  And for Microsoft to say this when the U.S. is at war in two different countries, when unemployment is reaching 10\% nationally, when U.S. taxpayers are on the hook for almost two trillion dollars to the banks that provide the financial markets that Microsoft uses to raise billions and profit in the billions...

Why does Microsoft hate American troops?  Why does Microsoft hate American children?  Why does Microsoft hate America?  Because not shouldering their financial responsibility to the country that made them billionaires, provided the innovation, the markets, the engineers...  the country that educated their children, the soldiers who died fighting for their freedom... Microsoft's comments are almost treasonous and certainly anti American.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the name of share holders companies do many things .
Enron and World Com are two companies that always acted in the best interest of shareholders - their stocks skyrocketed and exceeded numerous quarterly estimates .
For an American company to complain about the taxes US corporations pay is outrageous .
Companies in the U.S. do not pay as much as China , Japan , Britain , or Germany - in terms of taxes .
Within the U.S. companies pit States against one another to see how much a State will cut funding to local schools most in order to " win " a new factory or office location .
China does not allow majority ownership of any foreign investment in China - in addition these companies pay out a variety of social taxes to both the State and local community .
The U.S. does not compete with Ireland &amp; co. That would be a race to the lowest common denominator for any of the world 's top ten economies .
As for Microsoft - to state that they can not keep US workers in the US because of a fiduciary duty to shareholders... Share Holder Interest has always been the last refuge of a scoundrel .
If it was up to shareholders companies would only be around until the sold them or used a short sale and wanted them to fail .
And for Microsoft to say this when the U.S. is at war in two different countries , when unemployment is reaching 10 \ % nationally , when U.S. taxpayers are on the hook for almost two trillion dollars to the banks that provide the financial markets that Microsoft uses to raise billions and profit in the billions.. . Why does Microsoft hate American troops ?
Why does Microsoft hate American children ?
Why does Microsoft hate America ?
Because not shouldering their financial responsibility to the country that made them billionaires , provided the innovation , the markets , the engineers... the country that educated their children , the soldiers who died fighting for their freedom... Microsoft 's comments are almost treasonous and certainly anti American .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the name of share holders companies do many things.
Enron and World Com are two companies that always acted in the best interest of shareholders - their stocks skyrocketed and exceeded numerous quarterly estimates.
For an American company to complain about the taxes US corporations pay is outrageous.
Companies in the U.S. do not pay as much as China, Japan, Britain, or Germany - in terms of taxes.
Within the U.S. companies pit States against one another to see how much a State will cut funding to local schools most in order to "win" a new factory or office location.
China does not allow majority ownership of any foreign investment in China - in addition these companies pay out a variety of social taxes to both the State and local community.
The U.S. does not compete with Ireland &amp; co.  That would be a race to the lowest common denominator for any of the world's top ten economies.
As for Microsoft - to state that they cannot keep US workers in the US because of a fiduciary duty to shareholders... Share Holder Interest has always been the last refuge of a scoundrel.
If it was up to shareholders companies would only be around until the sold them or used a short sale and wanted them to fail.
And for Microsoft to say this when the U.S. is at war in two different countries, when unemployment is reaching 10\% nationally, when U.S. taxpayers are on the hook for almost two trillion dollars to the banks that provide the financial markets that Microsoft uses to raise billions and profit in the billions...

Why does Microsoft hate American troops?
Why does Microsoft hate American children?
Why does Microsoft hate America?
Because not shouldering their financial responsibility to the country that made them billionaires, provided the innovation, the markets, the engineers...  the country that educated their children, the soldiers who died fighting for their freedom... Microsoft's comments are almost treasonous and certainly anti American.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234531</id>
	<title>Go... and good riddance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244313840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to pay my taxes, businesses should too. Corporate tax avoidance should be illegal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to pay my taxes , businesses should too .
Corporate tax avoidance should be illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to pay my taxes, businesses should too.
Corporate tax avoidance should be illegal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28239727</id>
	<title>Translation</title>
	<author>sydbarrett74</author>
	<datestamp>1244406720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>'Closing tax loopholes will stifle job creation.'
<br> <br>
(translated)
<br> <br>
'I'd rather keep my billions and spend it on coke and whores than remit it to Uncle Sam.'</htmltext>
<tokenext>'Closing tax loopholes will stifle job creation .
' ( translated ) 'I 'd rather keep my billions and spend it on coke and whores than remit it to Uncle Sam .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Closing tax loopholes will stifle job creation.
'
 
(translated)
 
'I'd rather keep my billions and spend it on coke and whores than remit it to Uncle Sam.
'</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232595</id>
	<title>Re:Like Delaware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244301000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please don't beg the question, there are many other questions like it that don't need begging.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please do n't beg the question , there are many other questions like it that do n't need begging .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please don't beg the question, there are many other questions like it that don't need begging.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232259</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233283</id>
	<title>Why are so many people upset?</title>
	<author>allometry</author>
	<datestamp>1244305380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Negativity towards Microsoft on Slashdot?! You've got to be kidding!</p><p>Anyway...</p><p>A few business principles are in order:</p><p>Business exists to satisfy a need in the market<br>Businesses exist to make money for its stakeholders<br>People work for businesses to make money</p><p>Microsoft, as a company, is expected to make more money year after year. Balmer, is tasked by the board to make sure this happens. It his responsibility to fight for Microsoft to make sure the percentage of growth exceeds inflation. If not, Balmer has not fulfilled his responsibility to the stakeholder.</p><p>So, why is it so surprising that Microsoft would "threaten" to move jobs outside of the US? Now, a few liberal government principles are in order:</p><p>Government exists to make money. It is incapable of producing for itself, therefore it must tax to satisfy this need.<br>Government is providing entitlement programs, including health, social security, disability, etc. New entitlements require funding, thus more taxes.<br>Anti-corporate sentiment from Democrats, leads them to believe that taxing the "rich" is appropriate. Microsoft and many other large businesses gross billions per year. The US Government believes its entitled to larger tax receipts from these businesses.</p><p>Microsoft can only pass the buck so far to the consumer, before they get pissed and switch to the competition. A stakeholder is leaving Microsoft (if this is the case) and Balmer must retain the consumer base.</p><p>Balmer is making the right call.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Negativity towards Microsoft on Slashdot ? !
You 've got to be kidding ! Anyway...A few business principles are in order : Business exists to satisfy a need in the marketBusinesses exist to make money for its stakeholdersPeople work for businesses to make moneyMicrosoft , as a company , is expected to make more money year after year .
Balmer , is tasked by the board to make sure this happens .
It his responsibility to fight for Microsoft to make sure the percentage of growth exceeds inflation .
If not , Balmer has not fulfilled his responsibility to the stakeholder.So , why is it so surprising that Microsoft would " threaten " to move jobs outside of the US ?
Now , a few liberal government principles are in order : Government exists to make money .
It is incapable of producing for itself , therefore it must tax to satisfy this need.Government is providing entitlement programs , including health , social security , disability , etc .
New entitlements require funding , thus more taxes.Anti-corporate sentiment from Democrats , leads them to believe that taxing the " rich " is appropriate .
Microsoft and many other large businesses gross billions per year .
The US Government believes its entitled to larger tax receipts from these businesses.Microsoft can only pass the buck so far to the consumer , before they get pissed and switch to the competition .
A stakeholder is leaving Microsoft ( if this is the case ) and Balmer must retain the consumer base.Balmer is making the right call .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Negativity towards Microsoft on Slashdot?!
You've got to be kidding!Anyway...A few business principles are in order:Business exists to satisfy a need in the marketBusinesses exist to make money for its stakeholdersPeople work for businesses to make moneyMicrosoft, as a company, is expected to make more money year after year.
Balmer, is tasked by the board to make sure this happens.
It his responsibility to fight for Microsoft to make sure the percentage of growth exceeds inflation.
If not, Balmer has not fulfilled his responsibility to the stakeholder.So, why is it so surprising that Microsoft would "threaten" to move jobs outside of the US?
Now, a few liberal government principles are in order:Government exists to make money.
It is incapable of producing for itself, therefore it must tax to satisfy this need.Government is providing entitlement programs, including health, social security, disability, etc.
New entitlements require funding, thus more taxes.Anti-corporate sentiment from Democrats, leads them to believe that taxing the "rich" is appropriate.
Microsoft and many other large businesses gross billions per year.
The US Government believes its entitled to larger tax receipts from these businesses.Microsoft can only pass the buck so far to the consumer, before they get pissed and switch to the competition.
A stakeholder is leaving Microsoft (if this is the case) and Balmer must retain the consumer base.Balmer is making the right call.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233039</id>
	<title>Re:No Surprise</title>
	<author>CrashandDie</author>
	<datestamp>1244304000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Greed.....just as old as prostitution</p></div></blockquote><p>

Sweating, moaning and bending over the desk just to please a bunch of wealthy men in suits is different from prostitution how exactly?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Greed.....just as old as prostitution Sweating , moaning and bending over the desk just to please a bunch of wealthy men in suits is different from prostitution how exactly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Greed.....just as old as prostitution

Sweating, moaning and bending over the desk just to please a bunch of wealthy men in suits is different from prostitution how exactly?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233011</id>
	<title>Re:Don't let the door hit you on the ass</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244303880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here we go again with that easy assumption that Linux will become the Microsoft substitute.</p><p>All those who believe this please put your money where your mouth is.  How much will you wager that Linux will suddenly be thrust en masse onto the desktops of corporate America if Microsoft were to bail out?</p><p>I can't even laugh at this anymore.  Corporate America would probably return to typewriters, dictaphones, and paper files before they could even learn to correctly pronounce "Linux."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here we go again with that easy assumption that Linux will become the Microsoft substitute.All those who believe this please put your money where your mouth is .
How much will you wager that Linux will suddenly be thrust en masse onto the desktops of corporate America if Microsoft were to bail out ? I ca n't even laugh at this anymore .
Corporate America would probably return to typewriters , dictaphones , and paper files before they could even learn to correctly pronounce " Linux .
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<sentencetext>Here we go again with that easy assumption that Linux will become the Microsoft substitute.All those who believe this please put your money where your mouth is.
How much will you wager that Linux will suddenly be thrust en masse onto the desktops of corporate America if Microsoft were to bail out?I can't even laugh at this anymore.
Corporate America would probably return to typewriters, dictaphones, and paper files before they could even learn to correctly pronounce "Linux.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232271</id>
	<title>Move Microsoft Employees Offshore?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1244298600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That sounds great. I suggest moving them about 100 miles offshore, and then dropping them. It should make a satisfying splash sound. Then comes the thrashing, and the drowning, and the bubbles.</p><p>On a more serious note, just how many employees do they think are going to pick up and leave Washington for Ireland? Was this their plan all along? I guess the climates are compatible...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That sounds great .
I suggest moving them about 100 miles offshore , and then dropping them .
It should make a satisfying splash sound .
Then comes the thrashing , and the drowning , and the bubbles.On a more serious note , just how many employees do they think are going to pick up and leave Washington for Ireland ?
Was this their plan all along ?
I guess the climates are compatible.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That sounds great.
I suggest moving them about 100 miles offshore, and then dropping them.
It should make a satisfying splash sound.
Then comes the thrashing, and the drowning, and the bubbles.On a more serious note, just how many employees do they think are going to pick up and leave Washington for Ireland?
Was this their plan all along?
I guess the climates are compatible...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28238391</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1244301300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you, because we all know that the government does nothing for business do they? They certainly don't build roads, electricity, fire, water, gas, police, army to protect the country. They don't provide any of that, which every fucking one of us benefits from, so why should anyone ever have to pay for that. Whatever any company pays, they get that back many times over in all the services the government supplies, to the corp and the people who work there.</p><p>So fuck you moron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you , because we all know that the government does nothing for business do they ?
They certainly do n't build roads , electricity , fire , water , gas , police , army to protect the country .
They do n't provide any of that , which every fucking one of us benefits from , so why should anyone ever have to pay for that .
Whatever any company pays , they get that back many times over in all the services the government supplies , to the corp and the people who work there.So fuck you moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you, because we all know that the government does nothing for business do they?
They certainly don't build roads, electricity, fire, water, gas, police, army to protect the country.
They don't provide any of that, which every fucking one of us benefits from, so why should anyone ever have to pay for that.
Whatever any company pays, they get that back many times over in all the services the government supplies, to the corp and the people who work there.So fuck you moron.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233393</id>
	<title>And for what...?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, they can make $5 billion a year in profit instead of $4.3 billion???<br>It's not the cost of doing business that's getting too expensive for them: Ballmer's just looking for a bigger bonus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , they can make $ 5 billion a year in profit instead of $ 4.3 billion ? ?
? It 's not the cost of doing business that 's getting too expensive for them : Ballmer 's just looking for a bigger bonus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, they can make $5 billion a year in profit instead of $4.3 billion??
?It's not the cost of doing business that's getting too expensive for them: Ballmer's just looking for a bigger bonus.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28348097</id>
	<title>Re:Like Delaware</title>
	<author>Uberbah</author>
	<datestamp>1245169860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>As a side note, has Obama actually done anything he said he would do? Has Obama done anything that McCain didn't say he would do? Has Obama given any speeches where he didn't steal from Bush?</i></p><p>Yeah, uh, hi, great post, and I just want to know, do you find it helpful to keep your head up your rear end? I mean, why when you're posting? It seems that talking you want to have your head, you know, out and in the open air so you can see what you're doing. I mean, is it comfortable, or is it for the warmth, or what?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a side note , has Obama actually done anything he said he would do ?
Has Obama done anything that McCain did n't say he would do ?
Has Obama given any speeches where he did n't steal from Bush ? Yeah , uh , hi , great post , and I just want to know , do you find it helpful to keep your head up your rear end ?
I mean , why when you 're posting ?
It seems that talking you want to have your head , you know , out and in the open air so you can see what you 're doing .
I mean , is it comfortable , or is it for the warmth , or what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a side note, has Obama actually done anything he said he would do?
Has Obama done anything that McCain didn't say he would do?
Has Obama given any speeches where he didn't steal from Bush?Yeah, uh, hi, great post, and I just want to know, do you find it helpful to keep your head up your rear end?
I mean, why when you're posting?
It seems that talking you want to have your head, you know, out and in the open air so you can see what you're doing.
I mean, is it comfortable, or is it for the warmth, or what?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233773</id>
	<title>More ranting</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1244308200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From a immature child.  " i'm special i want it my way. my way!! or ill take my toys away".</p><p>If he pulls out of the US he can deal with import taxes/restrictions that would hurt Microsoft much more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From a immature child .
" i 'm special i want it my way .
my way ! !
or ill take my toys away " .If he pulls out of the US he can deal with import taxes/restrictions that would hurt Microsoft much more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From a immature child.
" i'm special i want it my way.
my way!!
or ill take my toys away".If he pulls out of the US he can deal with import taxes/restrictions that would hurt Microsoft much more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233045</id>
	<title>Re:I'm okay with this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Typical. I'm sure it'll help in the short term. However, what'll happen to your precious stock values when nobody can afford to buy their products (MS is not popular in India, is only popular to pirates in China, and is not growing much elsewhere)?  It means that Microsoft will eventually have to cut its profit margins = (ultimately) lower stock value.</p><p>Genius.  I'm glad that we'll always have a strong supply of idiots that will think only in the short term.  No wonder private companies (as a whole) appear to be positioning themselves to do better -- even in this global recession. http://barometersurveys.com/production/barsurv.nsf/vwNewsDocs/38B412F3EC0F09D685257575004CD17B?OpenDocument</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Typical .
I 'm sure it 'll help in the short term .
However , what 'll happen to your precious stock values when nobody can afford to buy their products ( MS is not popular in India , is only popular to pirates in China , and is not growing much elsewhere ) ?
It means that Microsoft will eventually have to cut its profit margins = ( ultimately ) lower stock value.Genius .
I 'm glad that we 'll always have a strong supply of idiots that will think only in the short term .
No wonder private companies ( as a whole ) appear to be positioning themselves to do better -- even in this global recession .
http : //barometersurveys.com/production/barsurv.nsf/vwNewsDocs/38B412F3EC0F09D685257575004CD17B ? OpenDocument</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typical.
I'm sure it'll help in the short term.
However, what'll happen to your precious stock values when nobody can afford to buy their products (MS is not popular in India, is only popular to pirates in China, and is not growing much elsewhere)?
It means that Microsoft will eventually have to cut its profit margins = (ultimately) lower stock value.Genius.
I'm glad that we'll always have a strong supply of idiots that will think only in the short term.
No wonder private companies (as a whole) appear to be positioning themselves to do better -- even in this global recession.
http://barometersurveys.com/production/barsurv.nsf/vwNewsDocs/38B412F3EC0F09D685257575004CD17B?OpenDocument</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232257</id>
	<title>AMERICAAAAAAAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244298540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>F*** yeah.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>F * * * yeah .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>F*** yeah.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233379</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Neither of you actually understand the situation, do you?  How is it punitive to try to close holes in our tax system that mean that we are bleeding money?  If I work nights as a waiter and don't report my tips to the federal government, I am in violation of the tax laws.  Yet Microsoft can make revenues from their products and move the money to a foreign country to avoid being liable for paying taxes on it.</p><p>I want to save money too!  Does that mean that I can ship all of my tips off to my relatives in Ireland for safe keeping and tell the IRS to go screw?  Good luck trying to pass that one off on them.  How is telling these fatcats that they have to pay taxes on what they make just like everyone else stifling the "freedom to think and act"?  We can argue that there shouldn't be federal taxes or that the tax system should change, but that's not the argument you're making here.  Instead you're saying that asking corporations to be held accountable for paying their taxes is somehow stifling.  Well, that's the cost of doing business in America... pay up or ship out.</p><p>I'd be interested to know what country you think would be oh so wonderful for a company to move to that wouldn't be so "stifling"...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Neither of you actually understand the situation , do you ?
How is it punitive to try to close holes in our tax system that mean that we are bleeding money ?
If I work nights as a waiter and do n't report my tips to the federal government , I am in violation of the tax laws .
Yet Microsoft can make revenues from their products and move the money to a foreign country to avoid being liable for paying taxes on it.I want to save money too !
Does that mean that I can ship all of my tips off to my relatives in Ireland for safe keeping and tell the IRS to go screw ?
Good luck trying to pass that one off on them .
How is telling these fatcats that they have to pay taxes on what they make just like everyone else stifling the " freedom to think and act " ?
We can argue that there should n't be federal taxes or that the tax system should change , but that 's not the argument you 're making here .
Instead you 're saying that asking corporations to be held accountable for paying their taxes is somehow stifling .
Well , that 's the cost of doing business in America... pay up or ship out.I 'd be interested to know what country you think would be oh so wonderful for a company to move to that would n't be so " stifling " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Neither of you actually understand the situation, do you?
How is it punitive to try to close holes in our tax system that mean that we are bleeding money?
If I work nights as a waiter and don't report my tips to the federal government, I am in violation of the tax laws.
Yet Microsoft can make revenues from their products and move the money to a foreign country to avoid being liable for paying taxes on it.I want to save money too!
Does that mean that I can ship all of my tips off to my relatives in Ireland for safe keeping and tell the IRS to go screw?
Good luck trying to pass that one off on them.
How is telling these fatcats that they have to pay taxes on what they make just like everyone else stifling the "freedom to think and act"?
We can argue that there shouldn't be federal taxes or that the tax system should change, but that's not the argument you're making here.
Instead you're saying that asking corporations to be held accountable for paying their taxes is somehow stifling.
Well, that's the cost of doing business in America... pay up or ship out.I'd be interested to know what country you think would be oh so wonderful for a company to move to that wouldn't be so "stifling"...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236573</id>
	<title>Balmer should be fired, at, lined up on a wall</title>
	<author>otopico</author>
	<datestamp>1244283840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft can either pay their fair share or leave.</p><p>I love how the American corporations have no problem taking our money but if they are required to pay taxes, they threaten us by saying they will take jobs away from their 'fellow' Americans? Extortion is the nicest word I can think of. The word that comes up first in my mine is treasonous.</p><p>Corporate America's new slogan "America, worth f*cking!"</p><p>Fine Microsoft. Leave. Please, get the hell out. If America isn't worth paying for, then you aren't welcome.</p><p>Just another reason for people to stop using Microsoft products.</p><p>That Balmer feels comfortable saying that in public just shows how much he values his home nation. We are good enough to use, but not enough to pay for. Cheap F*ck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft can either pay their fair share or leave.I love how the American corporations have no problem taking our money but if they are required to pay taxes , they threaten us by saying they will take jobs away from their 'fellow ' Americans ?
Extortion is the nicest word I can think of .
The word that comes up first in my mine is treasonous.Corporate America 's new slogan " America , worth f * cking !
" Fine Microsoft .
Leave. Please , get the hell out .
If America is n't worth paying for , then you are n't welcome.Just another reason for people to stop using Microsoft products.That Balmer feels comfortable saying that in public just shows how much he values his home nation .
We are good enough to use , but not enough to pay for .
Cheap F * ck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft can either pay their fair share or leave.I love how the American corporations have no problem taking our money but if they are required to pay taxes, they threaten us by saying they will take jobs away from their 'fellow' Americans?
Extortion is the nicest word I can think of.
The word that comes up first in my mine is treasonous.Corporate America's new slogan "America, worth f*cking!
"Fine Microsoft.
Leave. Please, get the hell out.
If America isn't worth paying for, then you aren't welcome.Just another reason for people to stop using Microsoft products.That Balmer feels comfortable saying that in public just shows how much he values his home nation.
We are good enough to use, but not enough to pay for.
Cheap F*ck.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28242213</id>
	<title>How might we fix the incentives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244397780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Do you think that, in exchange for limited liability, we published tax returns that this would help with corporate issues?  That is, as was said so well in Hair, "Let the sunshine in."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you think that , in exchange for limited liability , we published tax returns that this would help with corporate issues ?
That is , as was said so well in Hair , " Let the sunshine in .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you think that, in exchange for limited liability, we published tax returns that this would help with corporate issues?
That is, as was said so well in Hair, "Let the sunshine in.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232587</id>
	<title>Corporate Taxation is Stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244300940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Corporations don't pay taxes, their customer do.  This is obvious, since corporations only have income from sales, right?</p><p>Why not remove all the hassles for corporations by stop taxing their income and only tax sales on new items?  Used items wouldn't be taxed, used homes, used cars, used diapers - not taxed.  This would encourage "reuse" for all the "green" and save the earth people.</p><p>If corporations are not taxed at all, then jobs would flock to the country that does that.</p><p>Income taxes miss the entire black market and crime worlds.  Rather than miss those people, a national sales tax is needed.  This also gets taxes people who work "off the books."</p><p>Taxing sales could be called a regressive tax since poorer people spend more on food relative to their income.  To solve that issue, everyone who is a citizen and registers their family would get a "food tax rebate" monthly to cover the taxes on food. This is an estimated amount, not based on income or location. If you live where food is cheaper, then this rebate gives you more money, relatively. If you choose to live in more expensive food locations, it helps less.</p><p>I wish I had come up with this idea, but I didn't.  <a href="http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about\_main" title="fairtax.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about\_main</a> [fairtax.org]</p><p>It encourages hard work. The government gets the same amount of money that they get today. Reuse is encouraged. The IRS is gone.  Your spending determines you taxation, so saving is encouraged.  Really wealthy people spend more, so they are taxed at a much higher rate.</p><p>Most importantly, with corporate taxation gone, many, many jobs would flock to the USA. Offshore work would still exist, but it would need to be even more competitive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Corporations do n't pay taxes , their customer do .
This is obvious , since corporations only have income from sales , right ? Why not remove all the hassles for corporations by stop taxing their income and only tax sales on new items ?
Used items would n't be taxed , used homes , used cars , used diapers - not taxed .
This would encourage " reuse " for all the " green " and save the earth people.If corporations are not taxed at all , then jobs would flock to the country that does that.Income taxes miss the entire black market and crime worlds .
Rather than miss those people , a national sales tax is needed .
This also gets taxes people who work " off the books .
" Taxing sales could be called a regressive tax since poorer people spend more on food relative to their income .
To solve that issue , everyone who is a citizen and registers their family would get a " food tax rebate " monthly to cover the taxes on food .
This is an estimated amount , not based on income or location .
If you live where food is cheaper , then this rebate gives you more money , relatively .
If you choose to live in more expensive food locations , it helps less.I wish I had come up with this idea , but I did n't .
http : //www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer ? pagename = about \ _main [ fairtax.org ] It encourages hard work .
The government gets the same amount of money that they get today .
Reuse is encouraged .
The IRS is gone .
Your spending determines you taxation , so saving is encouraged .
Really wealthy people spend more , so they are taxed at a much higher rate.Most importantly , with corporate taxation gone , many , many jobs would flock to the USA .
Offshore work would still exist , but it would need to be even more competitive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Corporations don't pay taxes, their customer do.
This is obvious, since corporations only have income from sales, right?Why not remove all the hassles for corporations by stop taxing their income and only tax sales on new items?
Used items wouldn't be taxed, used homes, used cars, used diapers - not taxed.
This would encourage "reuse" for all the "green" and save the earth people.If corporations are not taxed at all, then jobs would flock to the country that does that.Income taxes miss the entire black market and crime worlds.
Rather than miss those people, a national sales tax is needed.
This also gets taxes people who work "off the books.
"Taxing sales could be called a regressive tax since poorer people spend more on food relative to their income.
To solve that issue, everyone who is a citizen and registers their family would get a "food tax rebate" monthly to cover the taxes on food.
This is an estimated amount, not based on income or location.
If you live where food is cheaper, then this rebate gives you more money, relatively.
If you choose to live in more expensive food locations, it helps less.I wish I had come up with this idea, but I didn't.
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about\_main [fairtax.org]It encourages hard work.
The government gets the same amount of money that they get today.
Reuse is encouraged.
The IRS is gone.
Your spending determines you taxation, so saving is encouraged.
Really wealthy people spend more, so they are taxed at a much higher rate.Most importantly, with corporate taxation gone, many, many jobs would flock to the USA.
Offshore work would still exist, but it would need to be even more competitive.</sentencetext>
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	<title>CYA!</title>
	<author>VennData</author>
	<datestamp>1244306760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>CYA!</htmltext>
<tokenext>CYA !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CYA!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234227</id>
	<title>Re:No Surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244311620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Who's really being greedy? Microsoft, or the Federal government who's asking for more money!?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who 's really being greedy ?
Microsoft , or the Federal government who 's asking for more money !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who's really being greedy?
Microsoft, or the Federal government who's asking for more money!
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232411</id>
	<title>So what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244299680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>All US companies will be on equal footing, so what's Ballmer's problem?  If it's more expensive for MS, it will also be more expensive for other companies that have been using tax shelters.  Does Ballmer think MS can't compete when it doesn't have an unfair advantage or something?  Is it worried about foreign competition?  Other companies have to deal with the same thing.  Where's the problem?</htmltext>
<tokenext>All US companies will be on equal footing , so what 's Ballmer 's problem ?
If it 's more expensive for MS , it will also be more expensive for other companies that have been using tax shelters .
Does Ballmer think MS ca n't compete when it does n't have an unfair advantage or something ?
Is it worried about foreign competition ?
Other companies have to deal with the same thing .
Where 's the problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All US companies will be on equal footing, so what's Ballmer's problem?
If it's more expensive for MS, it will also be more expensive for other companies that have been using tax shelters.
Does Ballmer think MS can't compete when it doesn't have an unfair advantage or something?
Is it worried about foreign competition?
Other companies have to deal with the same thing.
Where's the problem?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233467</id>
	<title>Re:WTF?!?</title>
	<author>prisoner-of-enigma</author>
	<datestamp>1244306280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><div class="quote"><p><i>He admits they transferred resources to Ireland to avoid taxes and then whines that if they go after that, he'll leave...WTF?!?!?</i></p><p><i>All I can say is 'so long Monkey Boy'</i></p> </div><p>Lovely way to cut off your nose to spite your face.  Do you have any idea how many jobs MS contributes to the U.S. economy?  Or since you love to talk about taxing other people, do you have any idea how much in taxes MS pays every year?  If MS moves offshore, you're talking about losing the jobs and tax base of every domestic MS employee.  That's tens of thousands of people and tens of billions of dollars -- none of which will be doing anything at all to benefit the U.S. economy.  Instead, it would benefit the Indian or Chinese economy.</p><p>But go ahead with your class warfare rhetoric.  I'm sure it sounds really great until you have to actually <b>deal with the consequences</b> of your disastrous policies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>He admits they transferred resources to Ireland to avoid taxes and then whines that if they go after that , he 'll leave...WTF ? ! ? !
? All I can say is 'so long Monkey Boy ' Lovely way to cut off your nose to spite your face .
Do you have any idea how many jobs MS contributes to the U.S. economy ? Or since you love to talk about taxing other people , do you have any idea how much in taxes MS pays every year ?
If MS moves offshore , you 're talking about losing the jobs and tax base of every domestic MS employee .
That 's tens of thousands of people and tens of billions of dollars -- none of which will be doing anything at all to benefit the U.S. economy. Instead , it would benefit the Indian or Chinese economy.But go ahead with your class warfare rhetoric .
I 'm sure it sounds really great until you have to actually deal with the consequences of your disastrous policies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He admits they transferred resources to Ireland to avoid taxes and then whines that if they go after that, he'll leave...WTF?!?!
?All I can say is 'so long Monkey Boy' Lovely way to cut off your nose to spite your face.
Do you have any idea how many jobs MS contributes to the U.S. economy?  Or since you love to talk about taxing other people, do you have any idea how much in taxes MS pays every year?
If MS moves offshore, you're talking about losing the jobs and tax base of every domestic MS employee.
That's tens of thousands of people and tens of billions of dollars -- none of which will be doing anything at all to benefit the U.S. economy.  Instead, it would benefit the Indian or Chinese economy.But go ahead with your class warfare rhetoric.
I'm sure it sounds really great until you have to actually deal with the consequences of your disastrous policies.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236533</id>
	<title>Re:Not very bright...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244283480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Actually, the Fairtax says we can raise current revenue with a 23\% inclusive sales tax on final production.  That's not counting any sort of productivity improvements due to the fact that you don't need an army of CPAs and accountants to figure out your "fair share."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the Fairtax says we can raise current revenue with a 23 \ % inclusive sales tax on final production .
That 's not counting any sort of productivity improvements due to the fact that you do n't need an army of CPAs and accountants to figure out your " fair share .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the Fairtax says we can raise current revenue with a 23\% inclusive sales tax on final production.
That's not counting any sort of productivity improvements due to the fact that you don't need an army of CPAs and accountants to figure out your "fair share.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235387</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1244319420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>If you think the demand for MS products is highly elastic, you are living in a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. dreamworld.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think the demand for MS products is highly elastic , you are living in a / .
dreamworld .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think the demand for MS products is highly elastic, you are living in a /.
dreamworld.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233623</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck! It's an idle threat by a hothead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244307240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I would think his intent is to keep the lawyers, product managers and executives in the US and move the rest to offshore. This is what I call a "toga company" i.e. a company which moves all of its core jobs necessary to keep the company profitable offshore and keeps the ruling class onshore. He'll need to keep his lawyers here to bring court cases against license violators and to enforce software patents against Linux. The execs will want to remain in the US, and they have the clout to do so. The product managers  are too tightly coupled to the execs (they are the ultimate brown-nosers after all).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would think his intent is to keep the lawyers , product managers and executives in the US and move the rest to offshore .
This is what I call a " toga company " i.e .
a company which moves all of its core jobs necessary to keep the company profitable offshore and keeps the ruling class onshore .
He 'll need to keep his lawyers here to bring court cases against license violators and to enforce software patents against Linux .
The execs will want to remain in the US , and they have the clout to do so .
The product managers are too tightly coupled to the execs ( they are the ultimate brown-nosers after all ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would think his intent is to keep the lawyers, product managers and executives in the US and move the rest to offshore.
This is what I call a "toga company" i.e.
a company which moves all of its core jobs necessary to keep the company profitable offshore and keeps the ruling class onshore.
He'll need to keep his lawyers here to bring court cases against license violators and to enforce software patents against Linux.
The execs will want to remain in the US, and they have the clout to do so.
The product managers  are too tightly coupled to the execs (they are the ultimate brown-nosers after all).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233061</id>
	<title>Re:Not very bright...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Limited *federal* government, and taxation *with* representation.</p><p>Also, Microsoft is a company, not a person.  It does not have rights.  Nor does it deserve them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Limited * federal * government , and taxation * with * representation.Also , Microsoft is a company , not a person .
It does not have rights .
Nor does it deserve them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Limited *federal* government, and taxation *with* representation.Also, Microsoft is a company, not a person.
It does not have rights.
Nor does it deserve them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233013</id>
	<title>Way to go :)</title>
	<author>youn</author>
	<datestamp>1244303880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Threaten the US government, which has yet to take a stand on your monopolistic behavior... that should help them have a favorable stance for you.</p><p>Sounds to me like Microsoft is already planning to move these jobs to countries that have cheaper labor... as a matter of fact,  a lot of jobs are already in other countries. He's just using the new tax as an excuse to do so... it's not my fault, they made me do it. As Warren Buffet said, "behind every business decision there is the good reason, the one that convinces people... and the real reason"... the hidden agenda</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Threaten the US government , which has yet to take a stand on your monopolistic behavior... that should help them have a favorable stance for you.Sounds to me like Microsoft is already planning to move these jobs to countries that have cheaper labor... as a matter of fact , a lot of jobs are already in other countries .
He 's just using the new tax as an excuse to do so... it 's not my fault , they made me do it .
As Warren Buffet said , " behind every business decision there is the good reason , the one that convinces people... and the real reason " ... the hidden agenda</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Threaten the US government, which has yet to take a stand on your monopolistic behavior... that should help them have a favorable stance for you.Sounds to me like Microsoft is already planning to move these jobs to countries that have cheaper labor... as a matter of fact,  a lot of jobs are already in other countries.
He's just using the new tax as an excuse to do so... it's not my fault, they made me do it.
As Warren Buffet said, "behind every business decision there is the good reason, the one that convinces people... and the real reason"... the hidden agenda</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232791</id>
	<title>Re:Like Delaware</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1244302140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Or he would be if he was the guy to *abolish* the DoEd.  (Which I assume you meant, as the DoE isn't really involved in education, per se)</p><p>The only thing that the federal government should do with respect to education is fund a few studies here and there to help establish <em>guidelines</em> for states and communities to use in forming their education plans.  Nationally homogenizing education just means that any mistakes or inefficiencies happen everywhere, nation-wide.</p><p>Maybe they could also administer some kind of ranking system so communities could compete, too, although I'm not sure that that wouldn't be best done by a coalition of universities (or a few coalitions of universities, so there's even competition there as well.)</p><p>But they should be doing anything that requires cabinet level funding and access.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or he would be if he was the guy to * abolish * the DoEd .
( Which I assume you meant , as the DoE is n't really involved in education , per se ) The only thing that the federal government should do with respect to education is fund a few studies here and there to help establish guidelines for states and communities to use in forming their education plans .
Nationally homogenizing education just means that any mistakes or inefficiencies happen everywhere , nation-wide.Maybe they could also administer some kind of ranking system so communities could compete , too , although I 'm not sure that that would n't be best done by a coalition of universities ( or a few coalitions of universities , so there 's even competition there as well .
) But they should be doing anything that requires cabinet level funding and access .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or he would be if he was the guy to *abolish* the DoEd.
(Which I assume you meant, as the DoE isn't really involved in education, per se)The only thing that the federal government should do with respect to education is fund a few studies here and there to help establish guidelines for states and communities to use in forming their education plans.
Nationally homogenizing education just means that any mistakes or inefficiencies happen everywhere, nation-wide.Maybe they could also administer some kind of ranking system so communities could compete, too, although I'm not sure that that wouldn't be best done by a coalition of universities (or a few coalitions of universities, so there's even competition there as well.
)But they should be doing anything that requires cabinet level funding and access.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233123</id>
	<title>Re:Sound business decision</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I don't see how paying for your own defense system is going to be cheaper than paying taxes. Because, who's going to protect them once they go to foreign waters? Remember Sealand? Who's gonna stop some Linux fanboys from nuking their paradise island?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see how paying for your own defense system is going to be cheaper than paying taxes .
Because , who 's going to protect them once they go to foreign waters ?
Remember Sealand ?
Who 's gon na stop some Linux fanboys from nuking their paradise island ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see how paying for your own defense system is going to be cheaper than paying taxes.
Because, who's going to protect them once they go to foreign waters?
Remember Sealand?
Who's gonna stop some Linux fanboys from nuking their paradise island?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232359</id>
	<title>tit for tat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244299380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I wonder if the Irish taking on Microsoft would be on par with the Irish giving the Scottish the bagpipes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if the Irish taking on Microsoft would be on par with the Irish giving the Scottish the bagpipes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if the Irish taking on Microsoft would be on par with the Irish giving the Scottish the bagpipes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233903</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Ash Vince</author>
	<datestamp>1244309040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Corporations don't pay tax. Not really. They pass on that tax to their customers. Ultimately, it is the consumer that pays the tax.</p></div><p>That is like saying that people do not pay tax, they pass the tax onto their employers by demanding higher wages.</p><p>While it may be true in some cases it all depends on whether you are able to charge your customers a higher price without them switching to another product or deciding they do not need whatever you are selling.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Corporations do n't pay tax .
Not really .
They pass on that tax to their customers .
Ultimately , it is the consumer that pays the tax.That is like saying that people do not pay tax , they pass the tax onto their employers by demanding higher wages.While it may be true in some cases it all depends on whether you are able to charge your customers a higher price without them switching to another product or deciding they do not need whatever you are selling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Corporations don't pay tax.
Not really.
They pass on that tax to their customers.
Ultimately, it is the consumer that pays the tax.That is like saying that people do not pay tax, they pass the tax onto their employers by demanding higher wages.While it may be true in some cases it all depends on whether you are able to charge your customers a higher price without them switching to another product or deciding they do not need whatever you are selling.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233577</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>Weezul</author>
	<datestamp>1244306940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Employes don't pay taxes either.  They pass that on to their employers.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Tax has two purposes : funding the government &amp; redistributing wealth.  We all know the government can be funded solely by any one of sales tax, individual income tax, corporate income tax, or some mixture.  All that matters is : How do you want to redistribute wealth?</p><p>A priori, sales tax doesn't really redistribute wealth beneficially.  You can definitely give it this role, as I'll propose below, but that'll make it indistinguishable from corporate income tax.  So lets ignore that one for now.</p><p>Individual income tax take more money from rich people.  Yes, this is fine &amp; fair, but the ultimate utility is questionable.  Inheritance tax otoh has a massively beneficial effect upon society, so you should always keep that one, even if  you eliminate individual income tax</p><p>Corporate income tax theoretically takes more money from larger more powerful corporations. A priori, corporate income tax is the best tax framework since you encourage cleaner free-market competition and discourage monopoly.</p><p>I favor confining federal taxes to a VAT (sales tax) whose rate scales logarithmically in corporate gross income, i.e. a hybrid VAT and corporate income tax. Individuals will still pay taxes on the corporate scale after the first few million per year, you'd likely implement inheritance tax similarly.  All this creates fairly steep costs for monopolies.</p><p>Anti-monopoly law itself would also become a subset of tax law, i.e. courts could penalize companies for dominating a market by increasing their tax burden.  If M$ spent 10 years stealing key employees from competitors, the courts might penalize them by increasing their VAT by 5\% for the next 10 years.</p><p>p.s. Corporations should not be taxed on world wide earnings.  Foreign companies pay this adjusted VAT too, based upon their market share.  I guess this make some extra work for importers, but no worse than the existing paperwork.</p><p>p.s.  Your logarithmic tax function can obviously grow without bound, so you likely want to cap VAT at 50\%, i.e. the largest company pays 50\%, a company with only 1/2 their income pays 50\%-r, etc.  But realistically your largest company will always be under some anti-monopoly action, so they'll pay more than 50\% effectively.  A nice perk here is politicians can't easily increase the tax income, but they can break up the largest companies, thus readjusting the parameters to mean more companies pay near 50\%.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Employes do n't pay taxes either .
They pass that on to their employers .
: ) Tax has two purposes : funding the government &amp; redistributing wealth .
We all know the government can be funded solely by any one of sales tax , individual income tax , corporate income tax , or some mixture .
All that matters is : How do you want to redistribute wealth ? A priori , sales tax does n't really redistribute wealth beneficially .
You can definitely give it this role , as I 'll propose below , but that 'll make it indistinguishable from corporate income tax .
So lets ignore that one for now.Individual income tax take more money from rich people .
Yes , this is fine &amp; fair , but the ultimate utility is questionable .
Inheritance tax otoh has a massively beneficial effect upon society , so you should always keep that one , even if you eliminate individual income taxCorporate income tax theoretically takes more money from larger more powerful corporations .
A priori , corporate income tax is the best tax framework since you encourage cleaner free-market competition and discourage monopoly.I favor confining federal taxes to a VAT ( sales tax ) whose rate scales logarithmically in corporate gross income , i.e .
a hybrid VAT and corporate income tax .
Individuals will still pay taxes on the corporate scale after the first few million per year , you 'd likely implement inheritance tax similarly .
All this creates fairly steep costs for monopolies.Anti-monopoly law itself would also become a subset of tax law , i.e .
courts could penalize companies for dominating a market by increasing their tax burden .
If M $ spent 10 years stealing key employees from competitors , the courts might penalize them by increasing their VAT by 5 \ % for the next 10 years.p.s .
Corporations should not be taxed on world wide earnings .
Foreign companies pay this adjusted VAT too , based upon their market share .
I guess this make some extra work for importers , but no worse than the existing paperwork.p.s .
Your logarithmic tax function can obviously grow without bound , so you likely want to cap VAT at 50 \ % , i.e .
the largest company pays 50 \ % , a company with only 1/2 their income pays 50 \ % -r , etc .
But realistically your largest company will always be under some anti-monopoly action , so they 'll pay more than 50 \ % effectively .
A nice perk here is politicians ca n't easily increase the tax income , but they can break up the largest companies , thus readjusting the parameters to mean more companies pay near 50 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Employes don't pay taxes either.
They pass that on to their employers.
:)Tax has two purposes : funding the government &amp; redistributing wealth.
We all know the government can be funded solely by any one of sales tax, individual income tax, corporate income tax, or some mixture.
All that matters is : How do you want to redistribute wealth?A priori, sales tax doesn't really redistribute wealth beneficially.
You can definitely give it this role, as I'll propose below, but that'll make it indistinguishable from corporate income tax.
So lets ignore that one for now.Individual income tax take more money from rich people.
Yes, this is fine &amp; fair, but the ultimate utility is questionable.
Inheritance tax otoh has a massively beneficial effect upon society, so you should always keep that one, even if  you eliminate individual income taxCorporate income tax theoretically takes more money from larger more powerful corporations.
A priori, corporate income tax is the best tax framework since you encourage cleaner free-market competition and discourage monopoly.I favor confining federal taxes to a VAT (sales tax) whose rate scales logarithmically in corporate gross income, i.e.
a hybrid VAT and corporate income tax.
Individuals will still pay taxes on the corporate scale after the first few million per year, you'd likely implement inheritance tax similarly.
All this creates fairly steep costs for monopolies.Anti-monopoly law itself would also become a subset of tax law, i.e.
courts could penalize companies for dominating a market by increasing their tax burden.
If M$ spent 10 years stealing key employees from competitors, the courts might penalize them by increasing their VAT by 5\% for the next 10 years.p.s.
Corporations should not be taxed on world wide earnings.
Foreign companies pay this adjusted VAT too, based upon their market share.
I guess this make some extra work for importers, but no worse than the existing paperwork.p.s.
Your logarithmic tax function can obviously grow without bound, so you likely want to cap VAT at 50\%, i.e.
the largest company pays 50\%, a company with only 1/2 their income pays 50\%-r, etc.
But realistically your largest company will always be under some anti-monopoly action, so they'll pay more than 50\% effectively.
A nice perk here is politicians can't easily increase the tax income, but they can break up the largest companies, thus readjusting the parameters to mean more companies pay near 50\%.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233211</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>Lawbeefaroni</author>
	<datestamp>1244304780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what lawyers and accountants are paid for.  What would you rather they do?  QA Vista?</p><p>Wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what lawyers and accountants are paid for .
What would you rather they do ?
QA Vista ? Wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what lawyers and accountants are paid for.
What would you rather they do?
QA Vista?Wait...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236157</id>
	<title>US Taxation of Worldwide Income</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244280840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not just a Microsoft issue.  This is a serious consideration of any multinational corporation that has its worldwide headquarters located in the United States.  The U.S. government taxes a U.S. corporation on its WORLDWIDE income, while almost all other countries tax only the income that is earned in the territory for which they are based.  On top of that, most of those other countries have a substantially lower corporate tax rate.  The current U.S. system allows corporations to defer some of the taxation on worldwide income.  Read that... DEFER, not ultimately eliminate.  The current administration wants to make changes that almost eliminate that deferral system - meaning that all U.S. corps will pay that rate regardless of the situation - even if they lack the wherewithal to pay in the current year.</p><p>This is not about corporations "hiding" money overseas.  They use that money in financing structures to acquire or build out their worldwide operations.  Politicians (both GOP and DEM) want people to believe that they are "hiding" money because the U.S. government is in a serious need for extra cash.  The easiest way to do it is to adjust how they tax international income.  I'll be honest with you, almost all multinational corporations are currently investigating a change in structure.  Either spinning off their international operations into a new/separate company or finding a way to outbound the HQ (usually via a merger with a foreign entity).</p><p>Everyone can make uninformed statements bashing MS.  But let's be honest, this affects every large company and ultimately may decide whether or not you are still employed.  Many companies will only move management and key corporate groups like accounting, etc.  But tech companies can move everything if they want... especially if web based.  Obviously, each company will approach this differently... but the outcome will not be favorable to the private sector in America.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not just a Microsoft issue .
This is a serious consideration of any multinational corporation that has its worldwide headquarters located in the United States .
The U.S. government taxes a U.S. corporation on its WORLDWIDE income , while almost all other countries tax only the income that is earned in the territory for which they are based .
On top of that , most of those other countries have a substantially lower corporate tax rate .
The current U.S. system allows corporations to defer some of the taxation on worldwide income .
Read that... DEFER , not ultimately eliminate .
The current administration wants to make changes that almost eliminate that deferral system - meaning that all U.S. corps will pay that rate regardless of the situation - even if they lack the wherewithal to pay in the current year.This is not about corporations " hiding " money overseas .
They use that money in financing structures to acquire or build out their worldwide operations .
Politicians ( both GOP and DEM ) want people to believe that they are " hiding " money because the U.S. government is in a serious need for extra cash .
The easiest way to do it is to adjust how they tax international income .
I 'll be honest with you , almost all multinational corporations are currently investigating a change in structure .
Either spinning off their international operations into a new/separate company or finding a way to outbound the HQ ( usually via a merger with a foreign entity ) .Everyone can make uninformed statements bashing MS. But let 's be honest , this affects every large company and ultimately may decide whether or not you are still employed .
Many companies will only move management and key corporate groups like accounting , etc .
But tech companies can move everything if they want... especially if web based .
Obviously , each company will approach this differently... but the outcome will not be favorable to the private sector in America .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not just a Microsoft issue.
This is a serious consideration of any multinational corporation that has its worldwide headquarters located in the United States.
The U.S. government taxes a U.S. corporation on its WORLDWIDE income, while almost all other countries tax only the income that is earned in the territory for which they are based.
On top of that, most of those other countries have a substantially lower corporate tax rate.
The current U.S. system allows corporations to defer some of the taxation on worldwide income.
Read that... DEFER, not ultimately eliminate.
The current administration wants to make changes that almost eliminate that deferral system - meaning that all U.S. corps will pay that rate regardless of the situation - even if they lack the wherewithal to pay in the current year.This is not about corporations "hiding" money overseas.
They use that money in financing structures to acquire or build out their worldwide operations.
Politicians (both GOP and DEM) want people to believe that they are "hiding" money because the U.S. government is in a serious need for extra cash.
The easiest way to do it is to adjust how they tax international income.
I'll be honest with you, almost all multinational corporations are currently investigating a change in structure.
Either spinning off their international operations into a new/separate company or finding a way to outbound the HQ (usually via a merger with a foreign entity).Everyone can make uninformed statements bashing MS.  But let's be honest, this affects every large company and ultimately may decide whether or not you are still employed.
Many companies will only move management and key corporate groups like accounting, etc.
But tech companies can move everything if they want... especially if web based.
Obviously, each company will approach this differently... but the outcome will not be favorable to the private sector in America.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233353</id>
	<title>Re:Evil, evil Microsoft...</title>
	<author>jayratch</author>
	<datestamp>1244305740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you accounting for splits?  There was a 2 for 1 split in 2003, although, even so, on the numbers you cite, that's only a $5 gain in a decade.  I would also ask what dividends were paid, which a savings account would not.
<p>
I'm still somewhat at a loss to find a savings account that would net a 13\% gain in ten years... that's about a 1.3\% APR which isn't unachievable but the market went below that for long chunks.  And again, plus dividends.  In 2003, they were 8 cents a share post-split.  <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2003/Jan03/01-16ds.mspx" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2003/Jan03/01-16ds.mspx</a> [microsoft.com]
</p><p>
I kinda get the feeling that Microsoft had done the majority of their best work by 1999, but considering their product prices since, having sold at least one license for windows and office to almost every work computer in America, I'm shocked they haven't made more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you accounting for splits ?
There was a 2 for 1 split in 2003 , although , even so , on the numbers you cite , that 's only a $ 5 gain in a decade .
I would also ask what dividends were paid , which a savings account would not .
I 'm still somewhat at a loss to find a savings account that would net a 13 \ % gain in ten years... that 's about a 1.3 \ % APR which is n't unachievable but the market went below that for long chunks .
And again , plus dividends .
In 2003 , they were 8 cents a share post-split .
http : //www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2003/Jan03/01-16ds.mspx [ microsoft.com ] I kinda get the feeling that Microsoft had done the majority of their best work by 1999 , but considering their product prices since , having sold at least one license for windows and office to almost every work computer in America , I 'm shocked they have n't made more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you accounting for splits?
There was a 2 for 1 split in 2003, although, even so, on the numbers you cite, that's only a $5 gain in a decade.
I would also ask what dividends were paid, which a savings account would not.
I'm still somewhat at a loss to find a savings account that would net a 13\% gain in ten years... that's about a 1.3\% APR which isn't unachievable but the market went below that for long chunks.
And again, plus dividends.
In 2003, they were 8 cents a share post-split.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2003/Jan03/01-16ds.mspx [microsoft.com]

I kinda get the feeling that Microsoft had done the majority of their best work by 1999, but considering their product prices since, having sold at least one license for windows and office to almost every work computer in America, I'm shocked they haven't made more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234187</id>
	<title>Fuck Him!</title>
	<author>gbutler69</author>
	<datestamp>1244311320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Steve Balmer, I, as an American citizen who gives a damn about my fellow citizens, hereby take an oath to shoot and kill you, the traitor to this country, at my first possible opportunity. You do not deserve, nor are you entitled to, the protections of this society. Your corporate charter and citizenship are hereby revoked. You, and your corporation, are persona non grata! Fuck Off!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Steve Balmer , I , as an American citizen who gives a damn about my fellow citizens , hereby take an oath to shoot and kill you , the traitor to this country , at my first possible opportunity .
You do not deserve , nor are you entitled to , the protections of this society .
Your corporate charter and citizenship are hereby revoked .
You , and your corporation , are persona non grata !
Fuck Off !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steve Balmer, I, as an American citizen who gives a damn about my fellow citizens, hereby take an oath to shoot and kill you, the traitor to this country, at my first possible opportunity.
You do not deserve, nor are you entitled to, the protections of this society.
Your corporate charter and citizenship are hereby revoked.
You, and your corporation, are persona non grata!
Fuck Off!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28238421</id>
	<title>What is really needed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244301600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is really needed are sever tax penalties for companies that move jobs out of the country.  In other words make it not possible for them to compete (or make a profit) at all if they move jobs out of the country.  And make it retroactive for at least 20 years back.</p><p>The best tax reform that we could have in this country is this:  A flat percentage tax.  Everyone except those that make less than $15,000 a year pay.  No loopholes,  no exceptions.  And make it as hard and unprofitable as possible for corporations to move jobs out of the country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is really needed are sever tax penalties for companies that move jobs out of the country .
In other words make it not possible for them to compete ( or make a profit ) at all if they move jobs out of the country .
And make it retroactive for at least 20 years back.The best tax reform that we could have in this country is this : A flat percentage tax .
Everyone except those that make less than $ 15,000 a year pay .
No loopholes , no exceptions .
And make it as hard and unprofitable as possible for corporations to move jobs out of the country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is really needed are sever tax penalties for companies that move jobs out of the country.
In other words make it not possible for them to compete (or make a profit) at all if they move jobs out of the country.
And make it retroactive for at least 20 years back.The best tax reform that we could have in this country is this:  A flat percentage tax.
Everyone except those that make less than $15,000 a year pay.
No loopholes,  no exceptions.
And make it as hard and unprofitable as possible for corporations to move jobs out of the country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232969</id>
	<title>Re:Evil, evil Microsoft...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244303640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was thinking about a career at Microsoft, but I don't want to be forced to move to another country just because they want to unpatriotically save a few dollars.  Steve really makes the evil inside evident.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking about a career at Microsoft , but I do n't want to be forced to move to another country just because they want to unpatriotically save a few dollars .
Steve really makes the evil inside evident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking about a career at Microsoft, but I don't want to be forced to move to another country just because they want to unpatriotically save a few dollars.
Steve really makes the evil inside evident.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232617</id>
	<title>US == Software Patents</title>
	<author>sadler121</author>
	<datestamp>1244301120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seeing that the US is one of the few countries that have Software Patents, Ballmer might want to reconsider. Currently the EU does not have Software Patents, and hopefully never will. Seeing that Microsoft's strategy lately is to patent everything and spread FUD about Linux infringing on it's patent portfolio, threating to move the company outside of the US would mean there would be less of an incentive for the US to maintain it's position on Software Patents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seeing that the US is one of the few countries that have Software Patents , Ballmer might want to reconsider .
Currently the EU does not have Software Patents , and hopefully never will .
Seeing that Microsoft 's strategy lately is to patent everything and spread FUD about Linux infringing on it 's patent portfolio , threating to move the company outside of the US would mean there would be less of an incentive for the US to maintain it 's position on Software Patents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seeing that the US is one of the few countries that have Software Patents, Ballmer might want to reconsider.
Currently the EU does not have Software Patents, and hopefully never will.
Seeing that Microsoft's strategy lately is to patent everything and spread FUD about Linux infringing on it's patent portfolio, threating to move the company outside of the US would mean there would be less of an incentive for the US to maintain it's position on Software Patents.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232561</id>
	<title>Capitalist flight</title>
	<author>mrmeval</author>
	<datestamp>1244300760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Capitalist flight is good for the POOR! Capitalist flight from California means other poor states and some countries  will have jobs while California rots. We've seen several either move to other states or other countries. Capitalist flight from the US means more poor foreigners will have jobs while the US rots. Driving out businesses with confiscatory taxes is a good thing as it will teach US not to do that or we get to smell the rotting poorer. I suppose we can warehouse them again but I hope that the architecture won't be so vile.</p><p>I moved wholly to a Linux based operating system. Granted that has not been all sweetness and light with the current de-feature- it meme but it's been stable and I can watch movies mostly. No games though. I'd have to buy Win7 for games or actually go out somewhere and play a board or card game.</p><p>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Capitalist flight is good for the POOR !
Capitalist flight from California means other poor states and some countries will have jobs while California rots .
We 've seen several either move to other states or other countries .
Capitalist flight from the US means more poor foreigners will have jobs while the US rots .
Driving out businesses with confiscatory taxes is a good thing as it will teach US not to do that or we get to smell the rotting poorer .
I suppose we can warehouse them again but I hope that the architecture wo n't be so vile.I moved wholly to a Linux based operating system .
Granted that has not been all sweetness and light with the current de-feature- it meme but it 's been stable and I can watch movies mostly .
No games though .
I 'd have to buy Win7 for games or actually go out somewhere and play a board or card game. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Capitalist flight is good for the POOR!
Capitalist flight from California means other poor states and some countries  will have jobs while California rots.
We've seen several either move to other states or other countries.
Capitalist flight from the US means more poor foreigners will have jobs while the US rots.
Driving out businesses with confiscatory taxes is a good thing as it will teach US not to do that or we get to smell the rotting poorer.
I suppose we can warehouse them again but I hope that the architecture won't be so vile.I moved wholly to a Linux based operating system.
Granted that has not been all sweetness and light with the current de-feature- it meme but it's been stable and I can watch movies mostly.
No games though.
I'd have to buy Win7 for games or actually go out somewhere and play a board or card game..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232783</id>
	<title>Re:Ballmer threatens to pull out?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244302140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Too bad Ballmer's father didn't pull out.</p><p>-</p></div><p>Damn man thats harsh</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad Ballmer 's father did n't pull out.-Damn man thats harsh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad Ballmer's father didn't pull out.-Damn man thats harsh
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233245</id>
	<title>Re:Like Delaware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244305020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Take a look at what they've already done. They have already set up development centers in low labor cost countries like India and China. Moving more of those jobs out of the U.S. would just be a natural progression in the quest for lower costs. The worst part of this is that as time goes by the developers in those up and coming countries are getting just as good as their American counterparts. At some point we're looking at a hiring crisis here in America.</i></p><p>But that was under Bush's administration. Bush decided that no technology worker would be paid a fair salary (now competing with outsourced labor prices and illegal H1Bs) or receive overtime. Obama has said he will incur fees for outsourcing and tax breaks for those how don't. Should MS continue to do this, and Obama does anything he said he would (thus far he's mostly followed McCain's plan, or very closely so), MS will pay one way or another.</p><p>As a side note, has Obama actually done anything he said he would do? Has Obama done anything that McCain didn't say he would do? Has Obama given any speeches where he didn't steal from Bush?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take a look at what they 've already done .
They have already set up development centers in low labor cost countries like India and China .
Moving more of those jobs out of the U.S. would just be a natural progression in the quest for lower costs .
The worst part of this is that as time goes by the developers in those up and coming countries are getting just as good as their American counterparts .
At some point we 're looking at a hiring crisis here in America.But that was under Bush 's administration .
Bush decided that no technology worker would be paid a fair salary ( now competing with outsourced labor prices and illegal H1Bs ) or receive overtime .
Obama has said he will incur fees for outsourcing and tax breaks for those how do n't .
Should MS continue to do this , and Obama does anything he said he would ( thus far he 's mostly followed McCain 's plan , or very closely so ) , MS will pay one way or another.As a side note , has Obama actually done anything he said he would do ?
Has Obama done anything that McCain did n't say he would do ?
Has Obama given any speeches where he did n't steal from Bush ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take a look at what they've already done.
They have already set up development centers in low labor cost countries like India and China.
Moving more of those jobs out of the U.S. would just be a natural progression in the quest for lower costs.
The worst part of this is that as time goes by the developers in those up and coming countries are getting just as good as their American counterparts.
At some point we're looking at a hiring crisis here in America.But that was under Bush's administration.
Bush decided that no technology worker would be paid a fair salary (now competing with outsourced labor prices and illegal H1Bs) or receive overtime.
Obama has said he will incur fees for outsourcing and tax breaks for those how don't.
Should MS continue to do this, and Obama does anything he said he would (thus far he's mostly followed McCain's plan, or very closely so), MS will pay one way or another.As a side note, has Obama actually done anything he said he would do?
Has Obama done anything that McCain didn't say he would do?
Has Obama given any speeches where he didn't steal from Bush?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233441</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244306160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear "The Quinn",</p><p>I'm sorry that you're so confused in general.  By the way, you say that "A smart country could displace the U.S. as the economic leader."  Maybe you should come out from the rock you're living under and discover that this has already happened.  And guess what, sh*+head, it is a communist country that has done it.  Yes, the People's Republic of China is now the world economic leader, in part because your sh*+bag friends, the Republicans, gave everything away during the last years.</p><p>You know what, you go ahead and keep emitting gases about our current government.  This way, exactly the correct number and type of people will listen to you.</p><p>Sincerely,<br>Someone who would be pleased if you moved away to the smart country you describe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear " The Quinn " ,I 'm sorry that you 're so confused in general .
By the way , you say that " A smart country could displace the U.S. as the economic leader .
" Maybe you should come out from the rock you 're living under and discover that this has already happened .
And guess what , sh * + head , it is a communist country that has done it .
Yes , the People 's Republic of China is now the world economic leader , in part because your sh * + bag friends , the Republicans , gave everything away during the last years.You know what , you go ahead and keep emitting gases about our current government .
This way , exactly the correct number and type of people will listen to you.Sincerely,Someone who would be pleased if you moved away to the smart country you describe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear "The Quinn",I'm sorry that you're so confused in general.
By the way, you say that "A smart country could displace the U.S. as the economic leader.
"  Maybe you should come out from the rock you're living under and discover that this has already happened.
And guess what, sh*+head, it is a communist country that has done it.
Yes, the People's Republic of China is now the world economic leader, in part because your sh*+bag friends, the Republicans, gave everything away during the last years.You know what, you go ahead and keep emitting gases about our current government.
This way, exactly the correct number and type of people will listen to you.Sincerely,Someone who would be pleased if you moved away to the smart country you describe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234311</id>
	<title>Corporations are granted a charter by the Governme</title>
	<author>gbutler69</author>
	<datestamp>1244312160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Corps. are chartered by the government that is of, by, and for THE PEOPLE! Corps. exist only to provide value to the citizens of this nation. When they cease to do so, they should be domolished. Those in charge should be executed!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Corps .
are chartered by the government that is of , by , and for THE PEOPLE !
Corps. exist only to provide value to the citizens of this nation .
When they cease to do so , they should be domolished .
Those in charge should be executed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Corps.
are chartered by the government that is of, by, and for THE PEOPLE!
Corps. exist only to provide value to the citizens of this nation.
When they cease to do so, they should be domolished.
Those in charge should be executed!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232209</id>
	<title>In other words</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244298120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations...</p><p>this line added for postercomment compression filter</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations...this line added for postercomment compression filter</tokentext>
<sentencetext>corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations corporations...this line added for postercomment compression filter</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232951</id>
	<title>Re:Sound business decision</title>
	<author>Lonewolf666</author>
	<datestamp>1244303520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>3) Someone else invades them. The U.S. government does not care.<br>Rationale: because they insisted on leaving the USA and NOT paying their taxes, they are not entitled to protection either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>3 ) Someone else invades them .
The U.S. government does not care.Rationale : because they insisted on leaving the USA and NOT paying their taxes , they are not entitled to protection either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3) Someone else invades them.
The U.S. government does not care.Rationale: because they insisted on leaving the USA and NOT paying their taxes, they are not entitled to protection either.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234235</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>BeanThere</author>
	<datestamp>1244311680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed, but who technically "pays" the tax is ultimately a moot point - because regardless of who technically "pays" the tax, it's still you and me - Joe Public - who get harmed by higher taxes, in one way or another.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , but who technically " pays " the tax is ultimately a moot point - because regardless of who technically " pays " the tax , it 's still you and me - Joe Public - who get harmed by higher taxes , in one way or another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, but who technically "pays" the tax is ultimately a moot point - because regardless of who technically "pays" the tax, it's still you and me - Joe Public - who get harmed by higher taxes, in one way or another.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233419</id>
	<title>Don't let the door hit you on the way out...</title>
	<author>e40</author>
	<datestamp>1244305980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, this is bullshit.  It's an idle threat.<br>Second, this is bullshit.  MS has been hugely successful and will likely continue to be, even more so if they get their (his) head out of their ass.  This would put a minor dent profits, and would be good for the rest of us.  MS should pay their fair share.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , this is bullshit .
It 's an idle threat.Second , this is bullshit .
MS has been hugely successful and will likely continue to be , even more so if they get their ( his ) head out of their ass .
This would put a minor dent profits , and would be good for the rest of us .
MS should pay their fair share .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, this is bullshit.
It's an idle threat.Second, this is bullshit.
MS has been hugely successful and will likely continue to be, even more so if they get their (his) head out of their ass.
This would put a minor dent profits, and would be good for the rest of us.
MS should pay their fair share.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232309</id>
	<title>On pulling out</title>
	<author>Renderer of Evil</author>
	<datestamp>1244298900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>Microsoft:</b> exploits loopholes in law to avoid paying corporate taxes.<br><b>People:</b> exploit loopholes in Windows activation to avoid paying for a license.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft : exploits loopholes in law to avoid paying corporate taxes.People : exploit loopholes in Windows activation to avoid paying for a license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft: exploits loopholes in law to avoid paying corporate taxes.People: exploit loopholes in Windows activation to avoid paying for a license.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232633</id>
	<title>Re:But corporations don't pay tax</title>
	<author>pben</author>
	<datestamp>1244301180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For several years in the late 1990's Microsoft literally did not pay any US income taxes.  At the time I payed more taxes to the federal government than the makers of Windows 98.  I guess that monkey boy remembers the good old days and want to bring them back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For several years in the late 1990 's Microsoft literally did not pay any US income taxes .
At the time I payed more taxes to the federal government than the makers of Windows 98 .
I guess that monkey boy remembers the good old days and want to bring them back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For several years in the late 1990's Microsoft literally did not pay any US income taxes.
At the time I payed more taxes to the federal government than the makers of Windows 98.
I guess that monkey boy remembers the good old days and want to bring them back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28238819</id>
	<title>Is it obvious enough yet??</title>
	<author>Eric Damron</author>
	<datestamp>1244305920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is Microsoft's corporate bully attitude obvious enough for Congress yet?  Do you think it's time to force Microsoft to split into two or three smaller corporations?</p><p>I think that any corporation that feels that it is big enough to bully the United States Government is too big and a national security risk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is Microsoft 's corporate bully attitude obvious enough for Congress yet ?
Do you think it 's time to force Microsoft to split into two or three smaller corporations ? I think that any corporation that feels that it is big enough to bully the United States Government is too big and a national security risk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is Microsoft's corporate bully attitude obvious enough for Congress yet?
Do you think it's time to force Microsoft to split into two or three smaller corporations?I think that any corporation that feels that it is big enough to bully the United States Government is too big and a national security risk.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233897</id>
	<title>And nothing of value was lost.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244309040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A computer consultant advocating Microsoft products is like a doctor prescribing cigarettes.</p><p>It creates a lot of extra work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A computer consultant advocating Microsoft products is like a doctor prescribing cigarettes.It creates a lot of extra work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A computer consultant advocating Microsoft products is like a doctor prescribing cigarettes.It creates a lot of extra work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232497</id>
	<title>Re:Not very bright...</title>
	<author>nxtw</author>
	<datestamp>1244300400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Corporations don't have feelings.  Multinational corporations do not make decisions based on patriotism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Corporations do n't have feelings .
Multinational corporations do not make decisions based on patriotism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Corporations don't have feelings.
Multinational corporations do not make decisions based on patriotism.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232943</id>
	<title>America is Microsoft's best hope...</title>
	<author>Sleepy</author>
	<datestamp>1244303400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft shareholders would do well to tell Balmer to shut his fat hole before he ruins the company.</p><p>First of all, he doesn't GET to make these types of decisions that he is suggesting.</p><p>Second, it's his job to SELL, not to get involved with national politics... particularly since he has not even SEEN any proposal. All that has been talked about is closing loopholes. This administration is very pro-jobs and has some kick ass advisors, advisors that the president will actually LISTEN to (instead of just calling them calling disloyal).</p><p>Third, the world is moving to open standards the way it has moved to Metric. We can expect the US to CLING to Microsoft long after the world has moved on to Linux, or whatever replaces Linux. Microsoft is a very rich house of cards... they only really make a profit on the OS and Office, yet they have a very VERY large product line dragging on expenses. A lot of those products (Visual Studio, IIS, Exchange) come close to losing money, and only exist to make it uncomfortable for any enterprise to move AWAY from Microsoft services.</p><p>So if Microsoft thinks it can do better outside America, screw them... I hope it creates a backlash. Ask In-bev how their Budweiser sales are doing since they stopped being "America's beer".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft shareholders would do well to tell Balmer to shut his fat hole before he ruins the company.First of all , he does n't GET to make these types of decisions that he is suggesting.Second , it 's his job to SELL , not to get involved with national politics... particularly since he has not even SEEN any proposal .
All that has been talked about is closing loopholes .
This administration is very pro-jobs and has some kick ass advisors , advisors that the president will actually LISTEN to ( instead of just calling them calling disloyal ) .Third , the world is moving to open standards the way it has moved to Metric .
We can expect the US to CLING to Microsoft long after the world has moved on to Linux , or whatever replaces Linux .
Microsoft is a very rich house of cards... they only really make a profit on the OS and Office , yet they have a very VERY large product line dragging on expenses .
A lot of those products ( Visual Studio , IIS , Exchange ) come close to losing money , and only exist to make it uncomfortable for any enterprise to move AWAY from Microsoft services.So if Microsoft thinks it can do better outside America , screw them... I hope it creates a backlash .
Ask In-bev how their Budweiser sales are doing since they stopped being " America 's beer " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft shareholders would do well to tell Balmer to shut his fat hole before he ruins the company.First of all, he doesn't GET to make these types of decisions that he is suggesting.Second, it's his job to SELL, not to get involved with national politics... particularly since he has not even SEEN any proposal.
All that has been talked about is closing loopholes.
This administration is very pro-jobs and has some kick ass advisors, advisors that the president will actually LISTEN to (instead of just calling them calling disloyal).Third, the world is moving to open standards the way it has moved to Metric.
We can expect the US to CLING to Microsoft long after the world has moved on to Linux, or whatever replaces Linux.
Microsoft is a very rich house of cards... they only really make a profit on the OS and Office, yet they have a very VERY large product line dragging on expenses.
A lot of those products (Visual Studio, IIS, Exchange) come close to losing money, and only exist to make it uncomfortable for any enterprise to move AWAY from Microsoft services.So if Microsoft thinks it can do better outside America, screw them... I hope it creates a backlash.
Ask In-bev how their Budweiser sales are doing since they stopped being "America's beer".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28241829</id>
	<title>...and good riddance to you too!</title>
	<author>fschmeisser</author>
	<datestamp>1244395080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you can't or don't want to pay the taxes in the country you're doing business in you have a faulty business model, and while you're adjusting that you may need to find yourself a banana republic to ply your trade in tax-free.
But Ballmer has a history of spouting a lot of hot air without ever following up on any of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you ca n't or do n't want to pay the taxes in the country you 're doing business in you have a faulty business model , and while you 're adjusting that you may need to find yourself a banana republic to ply your trade in tax-free .
But Ballmer has a history of spouting a lot of hot air without ever following up on any of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can't or don't want to pay the taxes in the country you're doing business in you have a faulty business model, and while you're adjusting that you may need to find yourself a banana republic to ply your trade in tax-free.
But Ballmer has a history of spouting a lot of hot air without ever following up on any of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232281</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244298660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or, how will US government (e.g. its military) view the idea of using a 'foreign' OS?<br>It would not surprise me if such a move would hasten a 'turning away from windows' trend in US government.<br>And if the US government is anything like the EU on this, the consequence would be that other businesses would start migrating away from windows as well...<br>I am no consultant with Mircrosoft, but if I were, I would advise against it... The strength of the Microsoft brandname is largely due to its US connection. Cut it, and it might very well dwindle overnight?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or , how will US government ( e.g .
its military ) view the idea of using a 'foreign ' OS ? It would not surprise me if such a move would hasten a 'turning away from windows ' trend in US government.And if the US government is anything like the EU on this , the consequence would be that other businesses would start migrating away from windows as well...I am no consultant with Mircrosoft , but if I were , I would advise against it... The strength of the Microsoft brandname is largely due to its US connection .
Cut it , and it might very well dwindle overnight ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or, how will US government (e.g.
its military) view the idea of using a 'foreign' OS?It would not surprise me if such a move would hasten a 'turning away from windows' trend in US government.And if the US government is anything like the EU on this, the consequence would be that other businesses would start migrating away from windows as well...I am no consultant with Mircrosoft, but if I were, I would advise against it... The strength of the Microsoft brandname is largely due to its US connection.
Cut it, and it might very well dwindle overnight?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233163</id>
	<title>No it is relivant</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1244304600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a very legitimate school of thought that says in terms of the economy, it doesn't matter where taxes are charged. No matter where you levy them, everyone ends up paying the same. If you charge a corporation more, they raise prices to compensate. This lowers the buying power an individual has. Lower the corporation's taxes so they can charge lower prices, and shift the taxes to individuals to keep income the same, and it lowers the individual buying power the same amount. Decrease sales tax so prices are cheaper at the register but increase income tax to compensate and again, same effect.</p><p>The idea is that if the government takes X\% of the dollars form the economy in taxes, it doesn't matter where they take it from, the net effect is the same.</p><p>Because of that, the idea is then to choose a tax structure that creates the kind of incentives you want. You lower taxes in areas you wish to encourage expansion in, for example. Part of this might be lowering corporate taxes. If companies pay less taxes, they are more attracted to being located in your country/state/city.</p><p>So from the government's perspective, it doesn't matter where the money comes from, only that they get the amount they require. From the overall consumer's perspective it doesn't matter where the money comes from, only that they have the same level of buying power. Thus it makes sense to distribute taxes in such a way to drive other goals (like enticing companies to stay).</p><p>I'm not saying you have to buy in to this theory, but it is a legit view.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a very legitimate school of thought that says in terms of the economy , it does n't matter where taxes are charged .
No matter where you levy them , everyone ends up paying the same .
If you charge a corporation more , they raise prices to compensate .
This lowers the buying power an individual has .
Lower the corporation 's taxes so they can charge lower prices , and shift the taxes to individuals to keep income the same , and it lowers the individual buying power the same amount .
Decrease sales tax so prices are cheaper at the register but increase income tax to compensate and again , same effect.The idea is that if the government takes X \ % of the dollars form the economy in taxes , it does n't matter where they take it from , the net effect is the same.Because of that , the idea is then to choose a tax structure that creates the kind of incentives you want .
You lower taxes in areas you wish to encourage expansion in , for example .
Part of this might be lowering corporate taxes .
If companies pay less taxes , they are more attracted to being located in your country/state/city.So from the government 's perspective , it does n't matter where the money comes from , only that they get the amount they require .
From the overall consumer 's perspective it does n't matter where the money comes from , only that they have the same level of buying power .
Thus it makes sense to distribute taxes in such a way to drive other goals ( like enticing companies to stay ) .I 'm not saying you have to buy in to this theory , but it is a legit view .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a very legitimate school of thought that says in terms of the economy, it doesn't matter where taxes are charged.
No matter where you levy them, everyone ends up paying the same.
If you charge a corporation more, they raise prices to compensate.
This lowers the buying power an individual has.
Lower the corporation's taxes so they can charge lower prices, and shift the taxes to individuals to keep income the same, and it lowers the individual buying power the same amount.
Decrease sales tax so prices are cheaper at the register but increase income tax to compensate and again, same effect.The idea is that if the government takes X\% of the dollars form the economy in taxes, it doesn't matter where they take it from, the net effect is the same.Because of that, the idea is then to choose a tax structure that creates the kind of incentives you want.
You lower taxes in areas you wish to encourage expansion in, for example.
Part of this might be lowering corporate taxes.
If companies pay less taxes, they are more attracted to being located in your country/state/city.So from the government's perspective, it doesn't matter where the money comes from, only that they get the amount they require.
From the overall consumer's perspective it doesn't matter where the money comes from, only that they have the same level of buying power.
Thus it makes sense to distribute taxes in such a way to drive other goals (like enticing companies to stay).I'm not saying you have to buy in to this theory, but it is a legit view.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236799</id>
	<title>How about universal, world-wide corporate tax, Mr?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244285760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the logic of Mr Ballmer and other leading CEO's of the industrial world basically no decent business should stay in the USA and in the G7 countries, because wages and the cost of living, including taxes will always be higher there than in some other countries.</p><p>But if you truly follow the logic, you have to realize that eventually only the sucker corporations would stay in any country, the real smart ones would move truly off-shore, somewhere to the space, beyond the boundaries of nations, regions and any authority which collects taxes on behalf of the public. Because clearly that would provide the best shareholder value.</p><p>Alternatively, all elected governments in all countries should and will agree and on the same, universal corporate tax, which would prevent corporations to shop around.<br>Universal world-wide corporate, income tax, etc. related to labour costs would not only stop the divide and conquer strategy for corporations to start bidding war in different countries for the lowest tax to attract corporations. It would eventually allow distribute wealth in a more even and maybe more "human" way.</p><p>It's impossible not to see the clear tendency that wealth is concentrating in the hands of fewer and fewer people (yes, shareholders are eventually people, not corporations). Part of the reason for the collapse of the American car industry is that moving decent paying jobs out of the US collapsed the consumer power to afford American cars.<br>Americans could not afford American cars because their average earnings have been shrinking and eventually insufficient to buy those cars. This has been fact for at least a decade, but different financial constructions, e.g. lease, loans, re-mortgaging the house did not make it obvious, until the financial system also collapsed.</p><p>The biggest issue is the steady and fatally shrinking buying power of the American (and most other) public. Some regions grab part of that income (like China, India lately) buy grabbing a piece of pie of corporate outsourcing, but the difference still stays in the pockets of corporate shareholders, which can lower not only wages but minimize corporate taxes by shifting to different regions, countries. Please don't argue that the "public" is the shareholder of corporations, etc. It is partially, but this is about the major economic tendency. Although there are large number of micro shareholders, there is little doubt that as a tendency, buying power for the masses is shrinking, which is eventually a huge problem for everyone.</p><p>Even for corporations, since they still make products, services for customers, who are still the same people, who loose their buying power. Population growth, shifting growth regions may offsets temporarily the shrinking income, just like car and home loans did in the US, but eventually entire industries can collapse very fast if the public does not have enough income to purchase. Again, look at the American car industry and real estate after revolving bridge loans can no longer offset the evaporating buying power.<br>American income now more suitable for a $20.000 Asian made car, than the $40.000 US made car. But if the buying power shrinks at the same rate and the available loan dries up, Americans might be eligible for Tata in the next decade.</p><p>Mr. Ballmer is yet to see similar collapse for the market for Microsoft products, but the writing is on the wall for every company.</p><p>The US and possibly other countries can be bankrupt one by one, but eventually there will be nowhere to go - the only alternative is more even sharing of wealth, just like at the time of Mr. Ford, who did not only introduce assembly line, but also introduced worker wages, which allowed to buy the cars they produced.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the logic of Mr Ballmer and other leading CEO 's of the industrial world basically no decent business should stay in the USA and in the G7 countries , because wages and the cost of living , including taxes will always be higher there than in some other countries.But if you truly follow the logic , you have to realize that eventually only the sucker corporations would stay in any country , the real smart ones would move truly off-shore , somewhere to the space , beyond the boundaries of nations , regions and any authority which collects taxes on behalf of the public .
Because clearly that would provide the best shareholder value.Alternatively , all elected governments in all countries should and will agree and on the same , universal corporate tax , which would prevent corporations to shop around.Universal world-wide corporate , income tax , etc .
related to labour costs would not only stop the divide and conquer strategy for corporations to start bidding war in different countries for the lowest tax to attract corporations .
It would eventually allow distribute wealth in a more even and maybe more " human " way.It 's impossible not to see the clear tendency that wealth is concentrating in the hands of fewer and fewer people ( yes , shareholders are eventually people , not corporations ) .
Part of the reason for the collapse of the American car industry is that moving decent paying jobs out of the US collapsed the consumer power to afford American cars.Americans could not afford American cars because their average earnings have been shrinking and eventually insufficient to buy those cars .
This has been fact for at least a decade , but different financial constructions , e.g .
lease , loans , re-mortgaging the house did not make it obvious , until the financial system also collapsed.The biggest issue is the steady and fatally shrinking buying power of the American ( and most other ) public .
Some regions grab part of that income ( like China , India lately ) buy grabbing a piece of pie of corporate outsourcing , but the difference still stays in the pockets of corporate shareholders , which can lower not only wages but minimize corporate taxes by shifting to different regions , countries .
Please do n't argue that the " public " is the shareholder of corporations , etc .
It is partially , but this is about the major economic tendency .
Although there are large number of micro shareholders , there is little doubt that as a tendency , buying power for the masses is shrinking , which is eventually a huge problem for everyone.Even for corporations , since they still make products , services for customers , who are still the same people , who loose their buying power .
Population growth , shifting growth regions may offsets temporarily the shrinking income , just like car and home loans did in the US , but eventually entire industries can collapse very fast if the public does not have enough income to purchase .
Again , look at the American car industry and real estate after revolving bridge loans can no longer offset the evaporating buying power.American income now more suitable for a $ 20.000 Asian made car , than the $ 40.000 US made car .
But if the buying power shrinks at the same rate and the available loan dries up , Americans might be eligible for Tata in the next decade.Mr .
Ballmer is yet to see similar collapse for the market for Microsoft products , but the writing is on the wall for every company.The US and possibly other countries can be bankrupt one by one , but eventually there will be nowhere to go - the only alternative is more even sharing of wealth , just like at the time of Mr. Ford , who did not only introduce assembly line , but also introduced worker wages , which allowed to buy the cars they produced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the logic of Mr Ballmer and other leading CEO's of the industrial world basically no decent business should stay in the USA and in the G7 countries, because wages and the cost of living, including taxes will always be higher there than in some other countries.But if you truly follow the logic, you have to realize that eventually only the sucker corporations would stay in any country, the real smart ones would move truly off-shore, somewhere to the space, beyond the boundaries of nations, regions and any authority which collects taxes on behalf of the public.
Because clearly that would provide the best shareholder value.Alternatively, all elected governments in all countries should and will agree and on the same, universal corporate tax, which would prevent corporations to shop around.Universal world-wide corporate, income tax, etc.
related to labour costs would not only stop the divide and conquer strategy for corporations to start bidding war in different countries for the lowest tax to attract corporations.
It would eventually allow distribute wealth in a more even and maybe more "human" way.It's impossible not to see the clear tendency that wealth is concentrating in the hands of fewer and fewer people (yes, shareholders are eventually people, not corporations).
Part of the reason for the collapse of the American car industry is that moving decent paying jobs out of the US collapsed the consumer power to afford American cars.Americans could not afford American cars because their average earnings have been shrinking and eventually insufficient to buy those cars.
This has been fact for at least a decade, but different financial constructions, e.g.
lease, loans, re-mortgaging the house did not make it obvious, until the financial system also collapsed.The biggest issue is the steady and fatally shrinking buying power of the American (and most other) public.
Some regions grab part of that income (like China, India lately) buy grabbing a piece of pie of corporate outsourcing, but the difference still stays in the pockets of corporate shareholders, which can lower not only wages but minimize corporate taxes by shifting to different regions, countries.
Please don't argue that the "public" is the shareholder of corporations, etc.
It is partially, but this is about the major economic tendency.
Although there are large number of micro shareholders, there is little doubt that as a tendency, buying power for the masses is shrinking, which is eventually a huge problem for everyone.Even for corporations, since they still make products, services for customers, who are still the same people, who loose their buying power.
Population growth, shifting growth regions may offsets temporarily the shrinking income, just like car and home loans did in the US, but eventually entire industries can collapse very fast if the public does not have enough income to purchase.
Again, look at the American car industry and real estate after revolving bridge loans can no longer offset the evaporating buying power.American income now more suitable for a $20.000 Asian made car, than the $40.000 US made car.
But if the buying power shrinks at the same rate and the available loan dries up, Americans might be eligible for Tata in the next decade.Mr.
Ballmer is yet to see similar collapse for the market for Microsoft products, but the writing is on the wall for every company.The US and possibly other countries can be bankrupt one by one, but eventually there will be nowhere to go - the only alternative is more even sharing of wealth, just like at the time of Mr. Ford, who did not only introduce assembly line, but also introduced worker wages, which allowed to buy the cars they produced.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234575</id>
	<title>Sweet</title>
	<author>Dega704</author>
	<datestamp>1244314200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out Steve.  Oh, and don't worry about the vacant buildings.  We'll have them remodeled and populated with open source developers soon enough.  Heck, maybe Google or Apple will buy them from you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out Steve .
Oh , and do n't worry about the vacant buildings .
We 'll have them remodeled and populated with open source developers soon enough .
Heck , maybe Google or Apple will buy them from you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out Steve.
Oh, and don't worry about the vacant buildings.
We'll have them remodeled and populated with open source developers soon enough.
Heck, maybe Google or Apple will buy them from you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232217</id>
	<title>Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>Krneki</author>
	<datestamp>1244298180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they go out of US, to who M$ will complain to prevent unlicensed use of Windows?<br><br>EU is much more user oriented then US.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they go out of US , to who M $ will complain to prevent unlicensed use of Windows ? EU is much more user oriented then US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they go out of US, to who M$ will complain to prevent unlicensed use of Windows?EU is much more user oriented then US.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235837</id>
	<title>Re:Let them go, but, make their life miserable.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244278860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Haha. None of that is going to happen. Sounds like you're jealous of successful rich people.</p><p>Linux on the desktop is a fantasy for smelly hippies. Haha ! Is there an example of a bigger product failure? 15 years in development... 1\% market share<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. LOL !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Haha .
None of that is going to happen .
Sounds like you 're jealous of successful rich people.Linux on the desktop is a fantasy for smelly hippies .
Haha !
Is there an example of a bigger product failure ?
15 years in development... 1 \ % market share .. LOL !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Haha.
None of that is going to happen.
Sounds like you're jealous of successful rich people.Linux on the desktop is a fantasy for smelly hippies.
Haha !
Is there an example of a bigger product failure?
15 years in development... 1\% market share .. LOL !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233055</id>
	<title>Hey Steve, I hears you gotta problem ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>youse don't like payin your taxes, huh, dat right, huh? Well Stevie boy, let me remind you about what the Family does for you. We use yous taxes to make the biggest 'n best hit mob in da' world just to protect you. You don't wanna pay your taxes, well Stevie, you don't get the protection, know what I'm talkin' about? Cappiche?</p><p>We'll be callin'</p><p>The Man</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>youse do n't like payin your taxes , huh , dat right , huh ?
Well Stevie boy , let me remind you about what the Family does for you .
We use yous taxes to make the biggest 'n best hit mob in da ' world just to protect you .
You do n't wan na pay your taxes , well Stevie , you do n't get the protection , know what I 'm talkin ' about ?
Cappiche ? We 'll be callin'The Man</tokentext>
<sentencetext>youse don't like payin your taxes, huh, dat right, huh?
Well Stevie boy, let me remind you about what the Family does for you.
We use yous taxes to make the biggest 'n best hit mob in da' world just to protect you.
You don't wanna pay your taxes, well Stevie, you don't get the protection, know what I'm talkin' about?
Cappiche?We'll be callin'The Man</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232267</id>
	<title>Not very bright...</title>
	<author>dpilot</author>
	<datestamp>1244298600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First off, it just isn't a very good idea to start going tit-for-tat with the US government.  That's especially true for a convicted monopolist, not to mention the fact that the previous administration essentially cancelled anything so severe as even a wrist-slap.</p><p>That judgement could be re-examined.</p><p>Second, that's just a really patriotic, really American thing to do.  Or does it mean that patriotism is defined one way for corporations and their heads, and another way for "merely working Americans"?  For one of the most profitable corporations in US history to in all essence say, "I don't want to pay my fair share, I'm taking the rest of the American jobs overseas," is a real slap in the face.  It's also not as if this is meant to be a tax increase, it's meant to be eliminating a tax shelter.  For you and me, using such a tax shelter would be cheating, avoiding doing our fair share.</p><p>Third, I'm sure "Vista for the US Army" isn't a done deal.  Also don't forget, Linus Torvalds is a US resident, and I'm sure *he* pays his income taxes, as do the various US-residing RedHat, Novell, etc, employees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , it just is n't a very good idea to start going tit-for-tat with the US government .
That 's especially true for a convicted monopolist , not to mention the fact that the previous administration essentially cancelled anything so severe as even a wrist-slap.That judgement could be re-examined.Second , that 's just a really patriotic , really American thing to do .
Or does it mean that patriotism is defined one way for corporations and their heads , and another way for " merely working Americans " ?
For one of the most profitable corporations in US history to in all essence say , " I do n't want to pay my fair share , I 'm taking the rest of the American jobs overseas , " is a real slap in the face .
It 's also not as if this is meant to be a tax increase , it 's meant to be eliminating a tax shelter .
For you and me , using such a tax shelter would be cheating , avoiding doing our fair share.Third , I 'm sure " Vista for the US Army " is n't a done deal .
Also do n't forget , Linus Torvalds is a US resident , and I 'm sure * he * pays his income taxes , as do the various US-residing RedHat , Novell , etc , employees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, it just isn't a very good idea to start going tit-for-tat with the US government.
That's especially true for a convicted monopolist, not to mention the fact that the previous administration essentially cancelled anything so severe as even a wrist-slap.That judgement could be re-examined.Second, that's just a really patriotic, really American thing to do.
Or does it mean that patriotism is defined one way for corporations and their heads, and another way for "merely working Americans"?
For one of the most profitable corporations in US history to in all essence say, "I don't want to pay my fair share, I'm taking the rest of the American jobs overseas," is a real slap in the face.
It's also not as if this is meant to be a tax increase, it's meant to be eliminating a tax shelter.
For you and me, using such a tax shelter would be cheating, avoiding doing our fair share.Third, I'm sure "Vista for the US Army" isn't a done deal.
Also don't forget, Linus Torvalds is a US resident, and I'm sure *he* pays his income taxes, as do the various US-residing RedHat, Novell, etc, employees.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236977</id>
	<title>The Solution Is Simple...</title>
	<author>pandrijeczko</author>
	<datestamp>1244287560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...just tax the corporations even more.</p><p>Call it a simplistic viewpoint but employing people in a country puts money back into that country whereas selling products or services in that country takes money out of it.</p><p>Therefore subtract the former from the latter and heavily tax the difference - thus making outsourcing far more expensive.</p><p>And no, not just because it's Microsoft, make it apply to everyone.</p><p>I'm sure it's the same in the USA and other parts of Europe, but here in the UK whole communities have been decimated because coal mines or industrial parks have shut down due to cheaper coal imports or jobs going overseas - corporations have got far too powerful and need to be forced to have a social conscience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...just tax the corporations even more.Call it a simplistic viewpoint but employing people in a country puts money back into that country whereas selling products or services in that country takes money out of it.Therefore subtract the former from the latter and heavily tax the difference - thus making outsourcing far more expensive.And no , not just because it 's Microsoft , make it apply to everyone.I 'm sure it 's the same in the USA and other parts of Europe , but here in the UK whole communities have been decimated because coal mines or industrial parks have shut down due to cheaper coal imports or jobs going overseas - corporations have got far too powerful and need to be forced to have a social conscience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...just tax the corporations even more.Call it a simplistic viewpoint but employing people in a country puts money back into that country whereas selling products or services in that country takes money out of it.Therefore subtract the former from the latter and heavily tax the difference - thus making outsourcing far more expensive.And no, not just because it's Microsoft, make it apply to everyone.I'm sure it's the same in the USA and other parts of Europe, but here in the UK whole communities have been decimated because coal mines or industrial parks have shut down due to cheaper coal imports or jobs going overseas - corporations have got far too powerful and need to be forced to have a social conscience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236107</id>
	<title>Balmer is an ass. Bye Bye Microsoft.</title>
	<author>Jackie\_Chan\_Fan</author>
	<datestamp>1244280480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, hiring Americans cost more.</p><p>Americans will NEVER be able to compete with the wages of poorer countries. Taxes have nothing to do with it. Its the high cost of living. Other countries have higher tax rates.</p><p>This is Balmer threatening America... as if his company is not rich enough already.</p><p>He wants to avoid giving back to the country he profits from. This is typical of most corporations today. They sell us foreign made products at American prices. They make these products overseas insanely cheap.</p><p>I'm sure the price of windows will become much cheaper if Balmer is moves Microsoft out of America (Rolls eyes)</p><p>Fuck you Balmer. You were always an ass</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , hiring Americans cost more.Americans will NEVER be able to compete with the wages of poorer countries .
Taxes have nothing to do with it .
Its the high cost of living .
Other countries have higher tax rates.This is Balmer threatening America... as if his company is not rich enough already.He wants to avoid giving back to the country he profits from .
This is typical of most corporations today .
They sell us foreign made products at American prices .
They make these products overseas insanely cheap.I 'm sure the price of windows will become much cheaper if Balmer is moves Microsoft out of America ( Rolls eyes ) Fuck you Balmer .
You were always an ass</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, hiring Americans cost more.Americans will NEVER be able to compete with the wages of poorer countries.
Taxes have nothing to do with it.
Its the high cost of living.
Other countries have higher tax rates.This is Balmer threatening America... as if his company is not rich enough already.He wants to avoid giving back to the country he profits from.
This is typical of most corporations today.
They sell us foreign made products at American prices.
They make these products overseas insanely cheap.I'm sure the price of windows will become much cheaper if Balmer is moves Microsoft out of America (Rolls eyes)Fuck you Balmer.
You were always an ass</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233675</id>
	<title>Re:Ballmer threatens to pull out?</title>
	<author>J4</author>
	<datestamp>1244307600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*rimshot*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* rimshot *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*rimshot*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233477</id>
	<title>Spin</title>
	<author>eison</author>
	<datestamp>1244306340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate the spin on this story.  The word "billionaire" is thrown in to describe Ballmer for no reason other than wealth envy.  Dublin subsidiaries aren't "secretive" unless you're trying to get us to dislike and distrust them.  Microsoft isn't "threatening", they are announcing - unless you're trying to intentionally pick words with negative connotations.  Whatever happened to news trying not to have a point of view?</p><p>Ireland attracts businesses through tax breaks.  It's a fantastic idea.  America punishes businesses through wealth envy tax-the-fat-cats policies because they cost little in votes.  But it's a horrible idea for the country.  It just has the effect of encouraging valuable billionaires to pack up and move and go generate wealth (and taxes) somewhere that is more friendly to them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate the spin on this story .
The word " billionaire " is thrown in to describe Ballmer for no reason other than wealth envy .
Dublin subsidiaries are n't " secretive " unless you 're trying to get us to dislike and distrust them .
Microsoft is n't " threatening " , they are announcing - unless you 're trying to intentionally pick words with negative connotations .
Whatever happened to news trying not to have a point of view ? Ireland attracts businesses through tax breaks .
It 's a fantastic idea .
America punishes businesses through wealth envy tax-the-fat-cats policies because they cost little in votes .
But it 's a horrible idea for the country .
It just has the effect of encouraging valuable billionaires to pack up and move and go generate wealth ( and taxes ) somewhere that is more friendly to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate the spin on this story.
The word "billionaire" is thrown in to describe Ballmer for no reason other than wealth envy.
Dublin subsidiaries aren't "secretive" unless you're trying to get us to dislike and distrust them.
Microsoft isn't "threatening", they are announcing - unless you're trying to intentionally pick words with negative connotations.
Whatever happened to news trying not to have a point of view?Ireland attracts businesses through tax breaks.
It's a fantastic idea.
America punishes businesses through wealth envy tax-the-fat-cats policies because they cost little in votes.
But it's a horrible idea for the country.
It just has the effect of encouraging valuable billionaires to pack up and move and go generate wealth (and taxes) somewhere that is more friendly to them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234285</id>
	<title>Re:Bite the hand that feeds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244312040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"What makes government more entitled to that money than the person or entity that earned it?"</p><p>Because at some point that person or entity did not "earn" it, but due to the nature of of control over the market, "took" it.</p><p>Competition is a great thing when it is about making you and your competitor work better.  Competition is a drain on all of us when the walls are up and all that is left is to take chunks out of competitors using whatever means necessary to accomplish that.</p><p>A good government discourages anticompetitive behavior, and if it fails to do that, taxes those that have gained from it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" What makes government more entitled to that money than the person or entity that earned it ?
" Because at some point that person or entity did not " earn " it , but due to the nature of of control over the market , " took " it.Competition is a great thing when it is about making you and your competitor work better .
Competition is a drain on all of us when the walls are up and all that is left is to take chunks out of competitors using whatever means necessary to accomplish that.A good government discourages anticompetitive behavior , and if it fails to do that , taxes those that have gained from it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"What makes government more entitled to that money than the person or entity that earned it?
"Because at some point that person or entity did not "earn" it, but due to the nature of of control over the market, "took" it.Competition is a great thing when it is about making you and your competitor work better.
Competition is a drain on all of us when the walls are up and all that is left is to take chunks out of competitors using whatever means necessary to accomplish that.A good government discourages anticompetitive behavior, and if it fails to do that, taxes those that have gained from it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232789</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236649</id>
	<title>Once again Monkey boy put food in mouth</title>
	<author>gbreed</author>
	<datestamp>1244284560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once again MS show how much it cares about this country and customers. All Ballmer and MS want is your money. The facts are that companies move work off shore for cheaper labor not taxes. Now that loss tax revenue need to be made up and its only fair that companies like MS who create the situation pay up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once again MS show how much it cares about this country and customers .
All Ballmer and MS want is your money .
The facts are that companies move work off shore for cheaper labor not taxes .
Now that loss tax revenue need to be made up and its only fair that companies like MS who create the situation pay up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once again MS show how much it cares about this country and customers.
All Ballmer and MS want is your money.
The facts are that companies move work off shore for cheaper labor not taxes.
Now that loss tax revenue need to be made up and its only fair that companies like MS who create the situation pay up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28234379</id>
	<title>not about hiding money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244312580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People need to realize that avoiding taxes isn't the only reason businesses stay overseas.</p><p>For \_many\_ large companies in the US,  the majority of profits come from overseas.  One of the reasons they're able to provide jobs in the US is because of substantial business they do \_outside\_ the company.  They compete with businesses in other countries that don't tax them at the ridiculous 35\% that they're taxed when they bring profits back into the US.  As soon as this bill goes through, it's going to be extremely difficult for these companies to stay competitive overseas.  Think about it - if two companies both operate in a foreign country,  but only one of them is being taxed at 35\% of its income, how can it stay competitive?</p><p>There is a far greater issue here than companies "hiding" money from the US.  There's a reason they reinvest in the countries in which they do business - it's because that's where most of their profits come from.  When you take away a US-based company's ability to compete globally, it \_will\_ result in a loss of American jobs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People need to realize that avoiding taxes is n't the only reason businesses stay overseas.For \ _many \ _ large companies in the US , the majority of profits come from overseas .
One of the reasons they 're able to provide jobs in the US is because of substantial business they do \ _outside \ _ the company .
They compete with businesses in other countries that do n't tax them at the ridiculous 35 \ % that they 're taxed when they bring profits back into the US .
As soon as this bill goes through , it 's going to be extremely difficult for these companies to stay competitive overseas .
Think about it - if two companies both operate in a foreign country , but only one of them is being taxed at 35 \ % of its income , how can it stay competitive ? There is a far greater issue here than companies " hiding " money from the US .
There 's a reason they reinvest in the countries in which they do business - it 's because that 's where most of their profits come from .
When you take away a US-based company 's ability to compete globally , it \ _will \ _ result in a loss of American jobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People need to realize that avoiding taxes isn't the only reason businesses stay overseas.For \_many\_ large companies in the US,  the majority of profits come from overseas.
One of the reasons they're able to provide jobs in the US is because of substantial business they do \_outside\_ the company.
They compete with businesses in other countries that don't tax them at the ridiculous 35\% that they're taxed when they bring profits back into the US.
As soon as this bill goes through, it's going to be extremely difficult for these companies to stay competitive overseas.
Think about it - if two companies both operate in a foreign country,  but only one of them is being taxed at 35\% of its income, how can it stay competitive?There is a far greater issue here than companies "hiding" money from the US.
There's a reason they reinvest in the countries in which they do business - it's because that's where most of their profits come from.
When you take away a US-based company's ability to compete globally, it \_will\_ result in a loss of American jobs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28240653</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244381220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think I just got a chubbie after reading that.</p><p>Imagine a world without M$!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I just got a chubbie after reading that.Imagine a world without M $ ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I just got a chubbie after reading that.Imagine a world without M$!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28235023</id>
	<title>Re:AMERICAAAAAAAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244317500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>America, fuck ya.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>America , fuck ya .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America, fuck ya.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236099</id>
	<title>It's not like he's going to keep workers here...</title>
	<author>californication</author>
	<datestamp>1244280420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not like he's going to keep workers here if we continue to let his company avoid taxes using loopholes.  As long as labor in foreign countries is significantly cheaper, they'll just keep moving jobs there.<br>
<br>
Also, Microsoft is one of the largest consumers of H-1B visas.  If they did decide to move their employees someplace else, they could probably just take them all to the country of origin of the majority of H-1B visa holders without any hassle.  They might lose a lot of standard workers, because not many people would move to another country to keep a job, let alone with a pay cut, but do they really care about that?
<br>
<br>
So what's the difference?  They're moving the job anyways.  Don't make it easy for them either.  Hit them with some anti-trust lawsuits and switch government systems from Windows to Linux; a little "don't let the door hit on you on the ass."</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not like he 's going to keep workers here if we continue to let his company avoid taxes using loopholes .
As long as labor in foreign countries is significantly cheaper , they 'll just keep moving jobs there .
Also , Microsoft is one of the largest consumers of H-1B visas .
If they did decide to move their employees someplace else , they could probably just take them all to the country of origin of the majority of H-1B visa holders without any hassle .
They might lose a lot of standard workers , because not many people would move to another country to keep a job , let alone with a pay cut , but do they really care about that ?
So what 's the difference ?
They 're moving the job anyways .
Do n't make it easy for them either .
Hit them with some anti-trust lawsuits and switch government systems from Windows to Linux ; a little " do n't let the door hit on you on the ass .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not like he's going to keep workers here if we continue to let his company avoid taxes using loopholes.
As long as labor in foreign countries is significantly cheaper, they'll just keep moving jobs there.
Also, Microsoft is one of the largest consumers of H-1B visas.
If they did decide to move their employees someplace else, they could probably just take them all to the country of origin of the majority of H-1B visa holders without any hassle.
They might lose a lot of standard workers, because not many people would move to another country to keep a job, let alone with a pay cut, but do they really care about that?
So what's the difference?
They're moving the job anyways.
Don't make it easy for them either.
Hit them with some anti-trust lawsuits and switch government systems from Windows to Linux; a little "don't let the door hit on you on the ass.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232259</id>
	<title>Like Delaware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244298540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't believe Ballmer has the ballmers to move the whole company out of the U.S., much less trade his life in the Emerald City for the Emerald Isle.</p><p>But I do believe he has a point about seeking out the lowest cost of business, and if it comes down to it, I wouldn't be surprised to see Microsoft move all accounts receivabo to a tax haven and just keep cost centers in the U.S.</p><p>Take a look at what they've already done. They have already set up development centers in low  labor cost countries like India and China. Moving more of those jobs out of the U.S. would just be a natural progression in the quest for lower costs. The worst part of this is that as time goes by the developers in those up and coming countries are getting just as good as their American counterparts. At some point we're looking at a hiring crisis here in America.</p><p>We're facing a 16 year educational depression as the currently undereducated kids gets graduates and makes way for a new generation educated satisfactorily. Naturally, this begs the question, but I think Obama is the guy to make the right changes to the DOE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't believe Ballmer has the ballmers to move the whole company out of the U.S. , much less trade his life in the Emerald City for the Emerald Isle.But I do believe he has a point about seeking out the lowest cost of business , and if it comes down to it , I would n't be surprised to see Microsoft move all accounts receivabo to a tax haven and just keep cost centers in the U.S.Take a look at what they 've already done .
They have already set up development centers in low labor cost countries like India and China .
Moving more of those jobs out of the U.S. would just be a natural progression in the quest for lower costs .
The worst part of this is that as time goes by the developers in those up and coming countries are getting just as good as their American counterparts .
At some point we 're looking at a hiring crisis here in America.We 're facing a 16 year educational depression as the currently undereducated kids gets graduates and makes way for a new generation educated satisfactorily .
Naturally , this begs the question , but I think Obama is the guy to make the right changes to the DOE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't believe Ballmer has the ballmers to move the whole company out of the U.S., much less trade his life in the Emerald City for the Emerald Isle.But I do believe he has a point about seeking out the lowest cost of business, and if it comes down to it, I wouldn't be surprised to see Microsoft move all accounts receivabo to a tax haven and just keep cost centers in the U.S.Take a look at what they've already done.
They have already set up development centers in low  labor cost countries like India and China.
Moving more of those jobs out of the U.S. would just be a natural progression in the quest for lower costs.
The worst part of this is that as time goes by the developers in those up and coming countries are getting just as good as their American counterparts.
At some point we're looking at a hiring crisis here in America.We're facing a 16 year educational depression as the currently undereducated kids gets graduates and makes way for a new generation educated satisfactorily.
Naturally, this begs the question, but I think Obama is the guy to make the right changes to the DOE.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232233</id>
	<title>Ballmer threatens to pull out?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244298300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too bad Ballmer's father didn't pull out.</p><p>-</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad Ballmer 's father did n't pull out.-</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad Ballmer's father didn't pull out.-</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28246135</id>
	<title>GREED</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244385900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So pull out already, I can't stand corporate greed.  They shout capitalism and free market on one hand, using their financial clout to change laws and force people into their licensing programs which require annual purchases for upgrades, updates, and new software which isn't really new at all.  The software allow most people to do the same things they can already currently do, but claims it's new because it does it in a different way. AND THEN after making their billions from the capitalistic society, they have the ordacity to not even pay their fair share of taxes.  Organizations like this are criminal, represent all that is wrong with the current capitalistic society.  If you don't like it here, MOVE ALREADY.  I think you will find most other countries, although cheaper on work and taxes, are much more expensive in other objects, i.e. Freedom. Duh...How do you think Microsoft became the mogul it is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So pull out already , I ca n't stand corporate greed .
They shout capitalism and free market on one hand , using their financial clout to change laws and force people into their licensing programs which require annual purchases for upgrades , updates , and new software which is n't really new at all .
The software allow most people to do the same things they can already currently do , but claims it 's new because it does it in a different way .
AND THEN after making their billions from the capitalistic society , they have the ordacity to not even pay their fair share of taxes .
Organizations like this are criminal , represent all that is wrong with the current capitalistic society .
If you do n't like it here , MOVE ALREADY .
I think you will find most other countries , although cheaper on work and taxes , are much more expensive in other objects , i.e .
Freedom. Duh...How do you think Microsoft became the mogul it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So pull out already, I can't stand corporate greed.
They shout capitalism and free market on one hand, using their financial clout to change laws and force people into their licensing programs which require annual purchases for upgrades, updates, and new software which isn't really new at all.
The software allow most people to do the same things they can already currently do, but claims it's new because it does it in a different way.
AND THEN after making their billions from the capitalistic society, they have the ordacity to not even pay their fair share of taxes.
Organizations like this are criminal, represent all that is wrong with the current capitalistic society.
If you don't like it here, MOVE ALREADY.
I think you will find most other countries, although cheaper on work and taxes, are much more expensive in other objects, i.e.
Freedom. Duh...How do you think Microsoft became the mogul it is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233071</id>
	<title>Ballmer Threatens To Pull Out of the US</title>
	<author>drewsup</author>
	<datestamp>1244304180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>A frustrated Us says: "but I wasn't DONE yet"

An embarrassed Balmer says: " Baby this never happened before, it's not you, I've just got this headache thing going on"

 US says: "your just a selfish asshole, like all the rest of the US corporations"</htmltext>
<tokenext>A frustrated Us says : " but I was n't DONE yet " An embarrassed Balmer says : " Baby this never happened before , it 's not you , I 've just got this headache thing going on " US says : " your just a selfish asshole , like all the rest of the US corporations "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A frustrated Us says: "but I wasn't DONE yet"

An embarrassed Balmer says: " Baby this never happened before, it's not you, I've just got this headache thing going on"

 US says: "your just a selfish asshole, like all the rest of the US corporations"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28237155</id>
	<title>F the M</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244289180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is about corporations not getting away with saying their HQ's is in a PO Box on some island.</p><p>Ballmer is an ass and has been nothing but a negative for Microsoft.  He was only effective when Microsoft was allowed for years to get away with behaviors of a felonious corporation.</p><p>This was just a really, really stupid thing to say and makes Microsoft look bad.   Which is fine by me.</p><p>Microsoft is and has been shipping jobs overseas as fast as they possibly can.  That has a lot to do with why they can't develop decent software these days, not even adequate software which they did before.  They have lost all control of quality and cohesiveness and it shows badly in Vista.</p><p>Fuck Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is about corporations not getting away with saying their HQ 's is in a PO Box on some island.Ballmer is an ass and has been nothing but a negative for Microsoft .
He was only effective when Microsoft was allowed for years to get away with behaviors of a felonious corporation.This was just a really , really stupid thing to say and makes Microsoft look bad .
Which is fine by me.Microsoft is and has been shipping jobs overseas as fast as they possibly can .
That has a lot to do with why they ca n't develop decent software these days , not even adequate software which they did before .
They have lost all control of quality and cohesiveness and it shows badly in Vista.Fuck Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is about corporations not getting away with saying their HQ's is in a PO Box on some island.Ballmer is an ass and has been nothing but a negative for Microsoft.
He was only effective when Microsoft was allowed for years to get away with behaviors of a felonious corporation.This was just a really, really stupid thing to say and makes Microsoft look bad.
Which is fine by me.Microsoft is and has been shipping jobs overseas as fast as they possibly can.
That has a lot to do with why they can't develop decent software these days, not even adequate software which they did before.
They have lost all control of quality and cohesiveness and it shows badly in Vista.Fuck Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233239</id>
	<title>It can work</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1244304960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Raidbird sprinklers did this. They didn't move to another country, but moved their headquarters from California to Arizona. The reason was that California is very expensive, in all aspects. So they decided to move to a cheaper state. I don't know all the details of the move (my roommate worked for them, not me) but more or less it was a situation of "We'll pay the cost to help you move and though you don't get an actual raise, you effectively do since things are cheaper in Arizona." Apparently enough of their work force was interested to make it worth while because the move did happen. They still have a California office, but their big location is Arizona.</p><p>Makes sense too. You can buy a three bedroom house in much of Arizona for less than you'd rent a studio apartment in much of California. A salary that was meager in California can be just fine in Arizona.</p><p>Now while another country is a bigger move, that sort of thing is still doable. If the incentives the company offers are good and the employees like who they work for, such a thing can happen. Also it doesn't have to be an overnight transition. You set up a new office and move as many people as want to. Then you basically stop hiring at the old location. Slowly your workforce will shift locations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Raidbird sprinklers did this .
They did n't move to another country , but moved their headquarters from California to Arizona .
The reason was that California is very expensive , in all aspects .
So they decided to move to a cheaper state .
I do n't know all the details of the move ( my roommate worked for them , not me ) but more or less it was a situation of " We 'll pay the cost to help you move and though you do n't get an actual raise , you effectively do since things are cheaper in Arizona .
" Apparently enough of their work force was interested to make it worth while because the move did happen .
They still have a California office , but their big location is Arizona.Makes sense too .
You can buy a three bedroom house in much of Arizona for less than you 'd rent a studio apartment in much of California .
A salary that was meager in California can be just fine in Arizona.Now while another country is a bigger move , that sort of thing is still doable .
If the incentives the company offers are good and the employees like who they work for , such a thing can happen .
Also it does n't have to be an overnight transition .
You set up a new office and move as many people as want to .
Then you basically stop hiring at the old location .
Slowly your workforce will shift locations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Raidbird sprinklers did this.
They didn't move to another country, but moved their headquarters from California to Arizona.
The reason was that California is very expensive, in all aspects.
So they decided to move to a cheaper state.
I don't know all the details of the move (my roommate worked for them, not me) but more or less it was a situation of "We'll pay the cost to help you move and though you don't get an actual raise, you effectively do since things are cheaper in Arizona.
" Apparently enough of their work force was interested to make it worth while because the move did happen.
They still have a California office, but their big location is Arizona.Makes sense too.
You can buy a three bedroom house in much of Arizona for less than you'd rent a studio apartment in much of California.
A salary that was meager in California can be just fine in Arizona.Now while another country is a bigger move, that sort of thing is still doable.
If the incentives the company offers are good and the employees like who they work for, such a thing can happen.
Also it doesn't have to be an overnight transition.
You set up a new office and move as many people as want to.
Then you basically stop hiring at the old location.
Slowly your workforce will shift locations.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233097</id>
	<title>not surprising</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Further evidence of the administration complete lack of understanding of capitalism and free enterprise - expect others to follow.  People don't like their livelihood and bottom line being screwed with.  Car makers, software developers,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... no economy can grow and flourish without CREATING things and these are the businesses and jobs that can be moved overseas - we aren't going to re-build our economy by paving roads and expanding the service industries</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Further evidence of the administration complete lack of understanding of capitalism and free enterprise - expect others to follow .
People do n't like their livelihood and bottom line being screwed with .
Car makers , software developers , ... no economy can grow and flourish without CREATING things and these are the businesses and jobs that can be moved overseas - we are n't going to re-build our economy by paving roads and expanding the service industries</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Further evidence of the administration complete lack of understanding of capitalism and free enterprise - expect others to follow.
People don't like their livelihood and bottom line being screwed with.
Car makers, software developers, ... no economy can grow and flourish without CREATING things and these are the businesses and jobs that can be moved overseas - we aren't going to re-build our economy by paving roads and expanding the service industries</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28240497</id>
	<title>They greed never want to support society</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1244378940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What else is new?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What else is new ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What else is new?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28236969</id>
	<title>What he really meant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244287380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Balmer:  Look if we have to do business on legal terms in this country and we can't manipulate the law to our advantage, we'll leave!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Balmer : Look if we have to do business on legal terms in this country and we ca n't manipulate the law to our advantage , we 'll leave !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Balmer:  Look if we have to do business on legal terms in this country and we can't manipulate the law to our advantage, we'll leave!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232413</id>
	<title>Me too</title>
	<author>IlluminatedOne</author>
	<datestamp>1244299740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have been contemplating a move somewhere abroad myself. Its been in my thoughts since election night really. I am not an Obama hater, but I have drank the kool-aid either. The guy is very charismatic and a great speaker, but I don't feel he or his administration have a tight enough handle on what it takes to run this country. Since the Republicans have no apparent candidate that can pose a credible threat to Obama in 2012, he will likely be a two-term president. I don't think we will recognize this country when they are through.<br> <br>

Anyway, back on topic, I think that US jobs have been too expensive for years and that's largely attributable to the ridiculously high cost of healthcare. We have a HSA-based coverage plan now, so a portion of our healthcare costs are paid through a debit card until the deductible has been met (luckily, the deductible costs are picked up by the company). As a result, we get the bills for all the healthcare we receive as opposed to the random few that slipped through in the past. I wonder when reviewing them how the values placed on services/drugs/equipment are arrived upon. I know I am making an oversimplification, but it seems that they just pull numbers out of the air and then double them. Like an unscrupulous car mechanic telling an unsuspecting and uninformed motorist that a $50 part actually costs $500. The alternative it seems though is price fixing which can send quality of care spiraling down, so its a slippery slope for sure and a dilemma that has no win/win outcome IMO...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been contemplating a move somewhere abroad myself .
Its been in my thoughts since election night really .
I am not an Obama hater , but I have drank the kool-aid either .
The guy is very charismatic and a great speaker , but I do n't feel he or his administration have a tight enough handle on what it takes to run this country .
Since the Republicans have no apparent candidate that can pose a credible threat to Obama in 2012 , he will likely be a two-term president .
I do n't think we will recognize this country when they are through .
Anyway , back on topic , I think that US jobs have been too expensive for years and that 's largely attributable to the ridiculously high cost of healthcare .
We have a HSA-based coverage plan now , so a portion of our healthcare costs are paid through a debit card until the deductible has been met ( luckily , the deductible costs are picked up by the company ) .
As a result , we get the bills for all the healthcare we receive as opposed to the random few that slipped through in the past .
I wonder when reviewing them how the values placed on services/drugs/equipment are arrived upon .
I know I am making an oversimplification , but it seems that they just pull numbers out of the air and then double them .
Like an unscrupulous car mechanic telling an unsuspecting and uninformed motorist that a $ 50 part actually costs $ 500 .
The alternative it seems though is price fixing which can send quality of care spiraling down , so its a slippery slope for sure and a dilemma that has no win/win outcome IMO.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been contemplating a move somewhere abroad myself.
Its been in my thoughts since election night really.
I am not an Obama hater, but I have drank the kool-aid either.
The guy is very charismatic and a great speaker, but I don't feel he or his administration have a tight enough handle on what it takes to run this country.
Since the Republicans have no apparent candidate that can pose a credible threat to Obama in 2012, he will likely be a two-term president.
I don't think we will recognize this country when they are through.
Anyway, back on topic, I think that US jobs have been too expensive for years and that's largely attributable to the ridiculously high cost of healthcare.
We have a HSA-based coverage plan now, so a portion of our healthcare costs are paid through a debit card until the deductible has been met (luckily, the deductible costs are picked up by the company).
As a result, we get the bills for all the healthcare we receive as opposed to the random few that slipped through in the past.
I wonder when reviewing them how the values placed on services/drugs/equipment are arrived upon.
I know I am making an oversimplification, but it seems that they just pull numbers out of the air and then double them.
Like an unscrupulous car mechanic telling an unsuspecting and uninformed motorist that a $50 part actually costs $500.
The alternative it seems though is price fixing which can send quality of care spiraling down, so its a slippery slope for sure and a dilemma that has no win/win outcome IMO...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28233561</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, move out.</title>
	<author>univalue</author>
	<datestamp>1244306880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was going to say something like that.  I just think this is a threat and no teeth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to say something like that .
I just think this is a threat and no teeth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to say something like that.
I just think this is a threat and no teeth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232241</id>
	<title>Then boycott MS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244298360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If anything had us doubting they maintain their position with criminal means, this should remove the uncertainty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If anything had us doubting they maintain their position with criminal means , this should remove the uncertainty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anything had us doubting they maintain their position with criminal means, this should remove the uncertainty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28232383</id>
	<title>Pull out, already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244299500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pull out, already, Steve.  America's asshole is sore enough.
<p>
On the other hand, Steve himself is a good candidate for the title "America's Asshole".  I'm all for anyone with financial clout standing up to Obama and congress, but the enemy of my enemy is not automatically my friend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pull out , already , Steve .
America 's asshole is sore enough .
On the other hand , Steve himself is a good candidate for the title " America 's Asshole " .
I 'm all for anyone with financial clout standing up to Obama and congress , but the enemy of my enemy is not automatically my friend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pull out, already, Steve.
America's asshole is sore enough.
On the other hand, Steve himself is a good candidate for the title "America's Asshole".
I'm all for anyone with financial clout standing up to Obama and congress, but the enemy of my enemy is not automatically my friend.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_1153217.28242157</id>
	<title>Re:Pull out, already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244397300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amen brother!  I say pull out and we'll just see what happens.  This is Ballmer as his most bullyish self.  The conversion to Linux (and possibly OS X) would accelerate out of patriotism, if nothing else.</p><p>Also, I wonder what the Microsoft employees in the US would think about them moving to Ireland?  Those people are the true heart and soul of the company and I think they might just have something to say to Ballmer if he made that move.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amen brother !
I say pull out and we 'll just see what happens .
This is Ballmer as his most bullyish self .
The conversion to Linux ( and possibly OS X ) would accelerate out of patriotism , if nothing else.Also , I wonder what the Microsoft employees in the US would think about them moving to Ireland ?
Those people are the true heart and soul of the company and I think they might just have something to say to Ballmer if he made that move .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amen brother!
I say pull out and we'll just see what happens.
This is Ballmer as his most bullyish self.
The conversion to Linux (and possibly OS X) would accelerate out of patriotism, if nothing else.Also, I wonder what the Microsoft employees in the US would think about them moving to Ireland?
Those people are the true heart and soul of the company and I think they might just have something to say to Ballmer if he made that move.</sentencetext>
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