<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_06_0154229</id>
	<title>German Interior Ministers Seek Ban On Violent Games</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1244303940000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>GamePolitics reports that "Germany's 16 Interior Ministers have banded together to ask the Bundestag (Germany's equivalent of Parliament) to <a href="http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/06/05/germany039s-interior-ministers-ask-bundestag-total-ban-violent-games">ban the production and distribution of violent video games</a>. Moreover, the ministers hope to see this accomplished before Germany's new elections take place on September 27th." Violent games became a national issue in Germany <a href="//games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/23/2041219&amp;tid=10">earlier this year</a> after <em>Far Cry 2</em> was scapegoated for a shooting. Germany-based game developer Crytek could be forced to move or outsource if the ban goes through. Spiegel Online has the <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,628800,00.html">original story</a> (<a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sl=de&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,628800,00.html&amp;prev=\_t&amp;rurl=translate.google.com">Google translation</a>).</htmltext>
<tokenext>GamePolitics reports that " Germany 's 16 Interior Ministers have banded together to ask the Bundestag ( Germany 's equivalent of Parliament ) to ban the production and distribution of violent video games .
Moreover , the ministers hope to see this accomplished before Germany 's new elections take place on September 27th .
" Violent games became a national issue in Germany earlier this year after Far Cry 2 was scapegoated for a shooting .
Germany-based game developer Crytek could be forced to move or outsource if the ban goes through .
Spiegel Online has the original story ( Google translation ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GamePolitics reports that "Germany's 16 Interior Ministers have banded together to ask the Bundestag (Germany's equivalent of Parliament) to ban the production and distribution of violent video games.
Moreover, the ministers hope to see this accomplished before Germany's new elections take place on September 27th.
" Violent games became a national issue in Germany earlier this year after Far Cry 2 was scapegoated for a shooting.
Germany-based game developer Crytek could be forced to move or outsource if the ban goes through.
Spiegel Online has the original story (Google translation).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230609</id>
	<title>Re:First Post</title>
	<author>KDR\_11k</author>
	<datestamp>1244230260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hell, even if videogames DO cause those murders, that's still several orders of magnitude less dangerous than tobacco or alcohol, neither of which is banned. You can probably find food products that kill more people per year than shooting rampages do. Also they're singling out videogames. Why not movies, books (I hear religious texts have inspired a lot of violence, those really shouldn't be in people's hands), music and maybe news reports about violence? Easy: Because these politicians already subject themselves to that kind of stuff and realize it's not a prolem (or if it was wouldn't want to declare themselves psychos).</p><p>This is a completely ridiculous pile of bullshit. Shooting rampages are so rare and cause so few deaths that special legislation is not warranted against such a broad subject as videogames even if it were at fault (last time one happened the father got tried for severely lacking firearm safety and of course the kids in question are always in a situation where they get treated like dirt by everyone else anyway).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell , even if videogames DO cause those murders , that 's still several orders of magnitude less dangerous than tobacco or alcohol , neither of which is banned .
You can probably find food products that kill more people per year than shooting rampages do .
Also they 're singling out videogames .
Why not movies , books ( I hear religious texts have inspired a lot of violence , those really should n't be in people 's hands ) , music and maybe news reports about violence ?
Easy : Because these politicians already subject themselves to that kind of stuff and realize it 's not a prolem ( or if it was would n't want to declare themselves psychos ) .This is a completely ridiculous pile of bullshit .
Shooting rampages are so rare and cause so few deaths that special legislation is not warranted against such a broad subject as videogames even if it were at fault ( last time one happened the father got tried for severely lacking firearm safety and of course the kids in question are always in a situation where they get treated like dirt by everyone else anyway ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell, even if videogames DO cause those murders, that's still several orders of magnitude less dangerous than tobacco or alcohol, neither of which is banned.
You can probably find food products that kill more people per year than shooting rampages do.
Also they're singling out videogames.
Why not movies, books (I hear religious texts have inspired a lot of violence, those really shouldn't be in people's hands), music and maybe news reports about violence?
Easy: Because these politicians already subject themselves to that kind of stuff and realize it's not a prolem (or if it was wouldn't want to declare themselves psychos).This is a completely ridiculous pile of bullshit.
Shooting rampages are so rare and cause so few deaths that special legislation is not warranted against such a broad subject as videogames even if it were at fault (last time one happened the father got tried for severely lacking firearm safety and of course the kids in question are always in a situation where they get treated like dirt by everyone else anyway).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28232675</id>
	<title>Bundestag</title>
	<author>the\_other\_chewey</author>
	<datestamp>1244301420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... the Bundestag (Germany's equivalent of Parliament)...</p></div><p>
What is that supposed to mean? That sounds as if it were some weird, not-really-a-parliament thing.<br>
It <b>is</b> Germany's parliament. Or would you call the US Congress "the US equivalent of parliament"?<br>
<br>
It has just a non-generic name (in another language even!). See Knesset (Israel), Diet (Japan), Sansad (India),<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div>
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<tokenext>... the Bundestag ( Germany 's equivalent of Parliament ) .. . What is that supposed to mean ?
That sounds as if it were some weird , not-really-a-parliament thing .
It is Germany 's parliament .
Or would you call the US Congress " the US equivalent of parliament " ?
It has just a non-generic name ( in another language even ! ) .
See Knesset ( Israel ) , Diet ( Japan ) , Sansad ( India ) , .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... the Bundestag (Germany's equivalent of Parliament)...
What is that supposed to mean?
That sounds as if it were some weird, not-really-a-parliament thing.
It is Germany's parliament.
Or would you call the US Congress "the US equivalent of parliament"?
It has just a non-generic name (in another language even!).
See Knesset (Israel), Diet (Japan), Sansad (India), ...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230287</id>
	<title>Mind Does Matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244225220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guess what - what you think does matter... Unfortunately, as carnivores, extreme violence is normal.. Should ultra-violent video games be banned? no.. regulated, yes. Like p*rn is, er or was..</p><p>Basically, there is nothing to say that our current way of doing things now is stable or leads to desirable results..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guess what - what you think does matter... Unfortunately , as carnivores , extreme violence is normal.. Should ultra-violent video games be banned ?
no.. regulated , yes .
Like p * rn is , er or was..Basically , there is nothing to say that our current way of doing things now is stable or leads to desirable results. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guess what - what you think does matter... Unfortunately, as carnivores, extreme violence is normal.. Should ultra-violent video games be banned?
no.. regulated, yes.
Like p*rn is, er or was..Basically, there is nothing to say that our current way of doing things now is stable or leads to desirable results..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230859</id>
	<title>Whoa, you missed the parents point COMPLETELY</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244320560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>His point was that people don't want to believe that some people are just rotten. Your godwinned example would then have to be "Some people just don't want to believe Hitler was just really a bad guy and keep looking for excuses for his actions and how he was so misunderstood and nobody gave him hugs".
</p><p>This is roughly the problem in europe. We keep lowering jail sentences because punishing people don't work and keep giving hugs and finding excuses for peoples actions. It don't work either because the sad thing is, some people are just rotten. Rotten because they decided their needs are of more importance then anybody else. That they are entitled and nobody else is.
</p><p>These german ministers are refusing to accept these shooters are just ammoral scum who would have killed no matter what because they simply don't care about anyone. No ban on anything (except guns) is going to stop them. You MIGHT be able to cure them, but only when you allow society to forcibly treat people who have not yet committed any crime. Kinda risky for a politician to suggest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>His point was that people do n't want to believe that some people are just rotten .
Your godwinned example would then have to be " Some people just do n't want to believe Hitler was just really a bad guy and keep looking for excuses for his actions and how he was so misunderstood and nobody gave him hugs " .
This is roughly the problem in europe .
We keep lowering jail sentences because punishing people do n't work and keep giving hugs and finding excuses for peoples actions .
It do n't work either because the sad thing is , some people are just rotten .
Rotten because they decided their needs are of more importance then anybody else .
That they are entitled and nobody else is .
These german ministers are refusing to accept these shooters are just ammoral scum who would have killed no matter what because they simply do n't care about anyone .
No ban on anything ( except guns ) is going to stop them .
You MIGHT be able to cure them , but only when you allow society to forcibly treat people who have not yet committed any crime .
Kinda risky for a politician to suggest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His point was that people don't want to believe that some people are just rotten.
Your godwinned example would then have to be "Some people just don't want to believe Hitler was just really a bad guy and keep looking for excuses for his actions and how he was so misunderstood and nobody gave him hugs".
This is roughly the problem in europe.
We keep lowering jail sentences because punishing people don't work and keep giving hugs and finding excuses for peoples actions.
It don't work either because the sad thing is, some people are just rotten.
Rotten because they decided their needs are of more importance then anybody else.
That they are entitled and nobody else is.
These german ministers are refusing to accept these shooters are just ammoral scum who would have killed no matter what because they simply don't care about anyone.
No ban on anything (except guns) is going to stop them.
You MIGHT be able to cure them, but only when you allow society to forcibly treat people who have not yet committed any crime.
Kinda risky for a politician to suggest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230493</id>
	<title>Re:Free Speech? Really? Best Defense?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244228340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I wouldn't base my case on freedom of privacy. I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.</p></div></blockquote><p>I would hope so, being as arguing privacy in a murder case is purely idiotic; the two things aren't even related.  That said, if their case was based on a confession they tortured out of you I would hope to hell you made very sure your lawyer argued 8th/5th Amendment violations.  Vigorously.  It wouldn't be the only thing he argued because that's just not how court cases work, but it should undoubtedly be the core of the defense.  If people are doing something they're not allowed to do, the merits by which they justify their actions matter very little to whether or not they should be made to stop.

</p><blockquote><div><p>Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhem but should be protected anyway.</p></div></blockquote><p>I disagree.  I think it says "mind your own damn business."  In a free society, you shouldn't need to defend yourself if you're not doing anything wrong.  I don't need to get into 75-page treatises of the psychology of adolescent minds or cite studies regarding prolonged exposure to violence if "I can make it, you can not buy it.  Shut the fuck up" is a perfectly valid response.  If I'm looking to change those peoples' minds, then maybe I'll do so.  If I'm trying to get them off my back, I don't see a reason to waste time and breath making an unnecessary argument that, in all likelihood, will fall on deaf ears anyway.

</p><p>The people making these arguments fall into two camps: The ones convinced that they're right and the ones taking advantage of the ones who are convinced that they're right.  Which groups' minds are you hoping to change?

</p><p>It <em>is</em> a free speech issue, without a doubt.  Personally I think it's more important to try to get these people to realize they can't simply run roughshod over anything they disapprove of than specifically defending violent video games.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I would n't base my case on freedom of privacy .
I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.I would hope so , being as arguing privacy in a murder case is purely idiotic ; the two things are n't even related .
That said , if their case was based on a confession they tortured out of you I would hope to hell you made very sure your lawyer argued 8th/5th Amendment violations .
Vigorously. It would n't be the only thing he argued because that 's just not how court cases work , but it should undoubtedly be the core of the defense .
If people are doing something they 're not allowed to do , the merits by which they justify their actions matter very little to whether or not they should be made to stop .
Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhem but should be protected anyway.I disagree .
I think it says " mind your own damn business .
" In a free society , you should n't need to defend yourself if you 're not doing anything wrong .
I do n't need to get into 75-page treatises of the psychology of adolescent minds or cite studies regarding prolonged exposure to violence if " I can make it , you can not buy it .
Shut the fuck up " is a perfectly valid response .
If I 'm looking to change those peoples ' minds , then maybe I 'll do so .
If I 'm trying to get them off my back , I do n't see a reason to waste time and breath making an unnecessary argument that , in all likelihood , will fall on deaf ears anyway .
The people making these arguments fall into two camps : The ones convinced that they 're right and the ones taking advantage of the ones who are convinced that they 're right .
Which groups ' minds are you hoping to change ?
It is a free speech issue , without a doubt .
Personally I think it 's more important to try to get these people to realize they ca n't simply run roughshod over anything they disapprove of than specifically defending violent video games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I wouldn't base my case on freedom of privacy.
I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.I would hope so, being as arguing privacy in a murder case is purely idiotic; the two things aren't even related.
That said, if their case was based on a confession they tortured out of you I would hope to hell you made very sure your lawyer argued 8th/5th Amendment violations.
Vigorously.  It wouldn't be the only thing he argued because that's just not how court cases work, but it should undoubtedly be the core of the defense.
If people are doing something they're not allowed to do, the merits by which they justify their actions matter very little to whether or not they should be made to stop.
Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhem but should be protected anyway.I disagree.
I think it says "mind your own damn business.
"  In a free society, you shouldn't need to defend yourself if you're not doing anything wrong.
I don't need to get into 75-page treatises of the psychology of adolescent minds or cite studies regarding prolonged exposure to violence if "I can make it, you can not buy it.
Shut the fuck up" is a perfectly valid response.
If I'm looking to change those peoples' minds, then maybe I'll do so.
If I'm trying to get them off my back, I don't see a reason to waste time and breath making an unnecessary argument that, in all likelihood, will fall on deaf ears anyway.
The people making these arguments fall into two camps: The ones convinced that they're right and the ones taking advantage of the ones who are convinced that they're right.
Which groups' minds are you hoping to change?
It is a free speech issue, without a doubt.
Personally I think it's more important to try to get these people to realize they can't simply run roughshod over anything they disapprove of than specifically defending violent video games.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28234319</id>
	<title>Re:German Slashdotters: F*cking do something!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244312220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Comparable to the USA ?</p><p>Are you fucking kidding me ? There is no ban on games in the USA<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... a fucking European Nazis are hosting their sites in the USA<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. face it dude, you are far, far beyond the USA in terms of restrictions of this kind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Comparable to the USA ? Are you fucking kidding me ?
There is no ban on games in the USA ... a fucking European Nazis are hosting their sites in the USA .. face it dude , you are far , far beyond the USA in terms of restrictions of this kind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Comparable to the USA ?Are you fucking kidding me ?
There is no ban on games in the USA ... a fucking European Nazis are hosting their sites in the USA .. face it dude, you are far, far beyond the USA in terms of restrictions of this kind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28233995</id>
	<title>Re:Every election the same farce</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244309640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Really, this is supposed to be the fabled "democracy" ancient greeks thought up?"</p><p>Not really. My right to own slaves and have sex with preteen boys is yet to be recognized.</p><p>Oh, and how come women are allowed to vote? Or poor people, for that matter...</p><p>Greeks did not come up with what we understand as "democracy" nowadays. Modern understanding of the concept has been a development taking long time to blossom into the current form.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Really , this is supposed to be the fabled " democracy " ancient greeks thought up ?
" Not really .
My right to own slaves and have sex with preteen boys is yet to be recognized.Oh , and how come women are allowed to vote ?
Or poor people , for that matter...Greeks did not come up with what we understand as " democracy " nowadays .
Modern understanding of the concept has been a development taking long time to blossom into the current form .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Really, this is supposed to be the fabled "democracy" ancient greeks thought up?
"Not really.
My right to own slaves and have sex with preteen boys is yet to be recognized.Oh, and how come women are allowed to vote?
Or poor people, for that matter...Greeks did not come up with what we understand as "democracy" nowadays.
Modern understanding of the concept has been a development taking long time to blossom into the current form.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28235255</id>
	<title>Re:First Post</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1244318760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think if you think in court you have to disprove your guilt, instead of them having to prove it in the first place, you're inherently idiotic too. ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think if you think in court you have to disprove your guilt , instead of them having to prove it in the first place , you 're inherently idiotic too .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think if you think in court you have to disprove your guilt, instead of them having to prove it in the first place, you're inherently idiotic too.
^^</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28234567</id>
	<title>Wait...</title>
	<author>kwietman</author>
	<datestamp>1244314080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Jack Thompson is a member of the German Parliament now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Jack Thompson is a member of the German Parliament now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jack Thompson is a member of the German Parliament now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231515</id>
	<title>Re:First Post</title>
	<author>Nyder</author>
	<datestamp>1244288280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe someone should point out the lack of video games didn't keep the Germans from oppressing most of europe during the first half of the 1900's.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe someone should point out the lack of video games did n't keep the Germans from oppressing most of europe during the first half of the 1900 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe someone should point out the lack of video games didn't keep the Germans from oppressing most of europe during the first half of the 1900's.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230661</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's law...</title>
	<author>KDR\_11k</author>
	<datestamp>1244231040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It gets defined by a bunch of old farts who hate freedom even more than kids on their lawn so it's going to be as broad as possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It gets defined by a bunch of old farts who hate freedom even more than kids on their lawn so it 's going to be as broad as possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It gets defined by a bunch of old farts who hate freedom even more than kids on their lawn so it's going to be as broad as possible.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230125</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230885</id>
	<title>Re:Crytek</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1244320980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hopefully they do leave Germany one of the things that annoyed me about Crysis is that the Koreans didn't respond to dead bodies.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>That is such a surreal quote.</p><p>I thought it had something to do with their last president taking a jump of a cliff and nobody passing any new laws to prevent ex-presidents from committing suicide.</p></div></div></div>
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<tokenext>Hopefully they do leave Germany one of the things that annoyed me about Crysis is that the Koreans did n't respond to dead bodies.That is such a surreal quote.I thought it had something to do with their last president taking a jump of a cliff and nobody passing any new laws to prevent ex-presidents from committing suicide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully they do leave Germany one of the things that annoyed me about Crysis is that the Koreans didn't respond to dead bodies.That is such a surreal quote.I thought it had something to do with their last president taking a jump of a cliff and nobody passing any new laws to prevent ex-presidents from committing suicide.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230193</id>
	<title>You know who else...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244223840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know who else destroyed civil liberties by taking advantage of the paranoid fears of the citizenry?</p><p>I'm referring to the Bush Administration, of course.</p><p>Rob</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know who else destroyed civil liberties by taking advantage of the paranoid fears of the citizenry ? I 'm referring to the Bush Administration , of course.Rob</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know who else destroyed civil liberties by taking advantage of the paranoid fears of the citizenry?I'm referring to the Bush Administration, of course.Rob</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231729</id>
	<title>Re:People don't want to believe in bad people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244291940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you're parsing 'believe in' differently from the parent's intent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 're parsing 'believe in ' differently from the parent 's intent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you're parsing 'believe in' differently from the parent's intent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230629</id>
	<title>Re:People don't want to believe in bad people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244230680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's assume you're correct in saying some people are just rotten.  Now what?</p><p>We need to get a Rotten Detector, then round the rotten people up and let them (pardon the pun) rot in jail.  That's certainly better than creating stupid laws!</p><p>*makes quick phone call*</p><p>I just called Brookstone.... the rotten detector is out of stock!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's assume you 're correct in saying some people are just rotten .
Now what ? We need to get a Rotten Detector , then round the rotten people up and let them ( pardon the pun ) rot in jail .
That 's certainly better than creating stupid laws !
* makes quick phone call * I just called Brookstone.... the rotten detector is out of stock !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's assume you're correct in saying some people are just rotten.
Now what?We need to get a Rotten Detector, then round the rotten people up and let them (pardon the pun) rot in jail.
That's certainly better than creating stupid laws!
*makes quick phone call*I just called Brookstone.... the rotten detector is out of stock!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230161</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28237195</id>
	<title>Makes perfect sense</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1244289780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jobs are BAD. We need to chase as many of them overseas as we possibly can!</p><p>(To me, the only bearable choice in the upcoming elections is the Pirate Party. We need someone who is not fucking stupid about technology.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jobs are BAD .
We need to chase as many of them overseas as we possibly can !
( To me , the only bearable choice in the upcoming elections is the Pirate Party .
We need someone who is not fucking stupid about technology .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jobs are BAD.
We need to chase as many of them overseas as we possibly can!
(To me, the only bearable choice in the upcoming elections is the Pirate Party.
We need someone who is not fucking stupid about technology.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230605</id>
	<title>obvious</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244230260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are they being a bunch of nazis about this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are they being a bunch of nazis about this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are they being a bunch of nazis about this?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230179</id>
	<title>Re:First Post</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244223660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I admire everyone's knee jerk reaction to defend video games via free speech I think this method of defense is inherently idiotic.</p><p>If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I wouldn't base my case on freedom of privacy. I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.</p><p>Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhem but should be protected anyway. They aren't dangerous. They don't pose a public threat and they shouldn't even be charged as such let alone 'allowed' to exist in spite of these accusations.</p><p>People need to educate the voting public that the 12 year old next to them on the laughing and bragging about how he shot a rifle through someone's head yesterday and made it explode isn't a deraged lunatic.</p><p>Video games out of context sound insane and dangerous. This is largely an educational problem which needs a good PR campaign. It's easier to defend something which people understand and like than it is to fight an abstract constitutional battle about the conflict between freedom and public well being.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I admire everyone 's knee jerk reaction to defend video games via free speech I think this method of defense is inherently idiotic.If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I would n't base my case on freedom of privacy .
I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhem but should be protected anyway .
They are n't dangerous .
They do n't pose a public threat and they should n't even be charged as such let alone 'allowed ' to exist in spite of these accusations.People need to educate the voting public that the 12 year old next to them on the laughing and bragging about how he shot a rifle through someone 's head yesterday and made it explode is n't a deraged lunatic.Video games out of context sound insane and dangerous .
This is largely an educational problem which needs a good PR campaign .
It 's easier to defend something which people understand and like than it is to fight an abstract constitutional battle about the conflict between freedom and public well being .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I admire everyone's knee jerk reaction to defend video games via free speech I think this method of defense is inherently idiotic.If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I wouldn't base my case on freedom of privacy.
I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhem but should be protected anyway.
They aren't dangerous.
They don't pose a public threat and they shouldn't even be charged as such let alone 'allowed' to exist in spite of these accusations.People need to educate the voting public that the 12 year old next to them on the laughing and bragging about how he shot a rifle through someone's head yesterday and made it explode isn't a deraged lunatic.Video games out of context sound insane and dangerous.
This is largely an educational problem which needs a good PR campaign.
It's easier to defend something which people understand and like than it is to fight an abstract constitutional battle about the conflict between freedom and public well being.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28229993</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231705</id>
	<title>Re:What about a ban...</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1244291640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Or a ban on violently bad singers.</p></div></blockquote><p>Already in effect as a Europe-wide policy, which you would know if you watched the Eurovision Song Contest.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or a ban on violently bad singers.Already in effect as a Europe-wide policy , which you would know if you watched the Eurovision Song Contest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or a ban on violently bad singers.Already in effect as a Europe-wide policy, which you would know if you watched the Eurovision Song Contest.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231669</id>
	<title>Re:First Post</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1244291160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A government cannot "allow" anything, just like I can't "allow" you to enter your own house. By default we have the right to do whatever we want, and the only thing a government can do is forbid something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A government can not " allow " anything , just like I ca n't " allow " you to enter your own house .
By default we have the right to do whatever we want , and the only thing a government can do is forbid something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A government cannot "allow" anything, just like I can't "allow" you to enter your own house.
By default we have the right to do whatever we want, and the only thing a government can do is forbid something.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230179</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28232421</id>
	<title>Re:German Slashdotters: F*cking do something!</title>
	<author>Asic Eng</author>
	<datestamp>1244299800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Especially after this news: <a href="http://www.ka-news.de/nachrichten/karlsruhe/Karlsruhe-Killerspiele-Gruene;art6066,199419" title="ka-news.de">http://www.ka-news.de/nachrichten/karlsruhe/Karlsruhe-Killerspiele-Gruene;art6066,199419</a> [ka-news.de] Here the Green party is asking for "a clear signal against killer games". Sorry I'd like a clear signal for individual freedom instead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially after this news : http : //www.ka-news.de/nachrichten/karlsruhe/Karlsruhe-Killerspiele-Gruene ; art6066,199419 [ ka-news.de ] Here the Green party is asking for " a clear signal against killer games " .
Sorry I 'd like a clear signal for individual freedom instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially after this news: http://www.ka-news.de/nachrichten/karlsruhe/Karlsruhe-Killerspiele-Gruene;art6066,199419 [ka-news.de] Here the Green party is asking for "a clear signal against killer games".
Sorry I'd like a clear signal for individual freedom instead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231451</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230295</id>
	<title>Re:Recession...not?</title>
	<author>rob1980</author>
	<datestamp>1244225340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No kidding, this is a travesty against Crytek.  We'll have to get the tech demos our systems will never run from someplace else now!</htmltext>
<tokenext>No kidding , this is a travesty against Crytek .
We 'll have to get the tech demos our systems will never run from someplace else now !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No kidding, this is a travesty against Crytek.
We'll have to get the tech demos our systems will never run from someplace else now!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230143</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230159</id>
	<title>Free Speech? Really? Best Defense?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244223300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I admire everyone's knee jerk reaction to defend video games via free speech I think this method of defense is inherently idiotic.</p><p>If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I wouldn't base my case on freedom of privacy. I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.</p><p>Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhem but should be protected anyway.    They aren't dangerous.   They don't pose a public threat and they shouldn't even be charged as such let alone 'allowed' to exist in spite of these accusations.</p><p>People need to educate the voting public that the 12 year old next to them on the laughing and bragging about how he shot a rifle through someone's head yesterday and made it explode isn't a deraged lunatic.</p><p>Video games out of context sound insane and dangerous.   This is largely an educational problem which needs a good PR campaign.  It's easier to defend something which people understand and like than it is to fight an abstract constitutional battle about the conflict between freedom and public well being.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I admire everyone 's knee jerk reaction to defend video games via free speech I think this method of defense is inherently idiotic.If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I would n't base my case on freedom of privacy .
I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhem but should be protected anyway .
They are n't dangerous .
They do n't pose a public threat and they should n't even be charged as such let alone 'allowed ' to exist in spite of these accusations.People need to educate the voting public that the 12 year old next to them on the laughing and bragging about how he shot a rifle through someone 's head yesterday and made it explode is n't a deraged lunatic.Video games out of context sound insane and dangerous .
This is largely an educational problem which needs a good PR campaign .
It 's easier to defend something which people understand and like than it is to fight an abstract constitutional battle about the conflict between freedom and public well being .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I admire everyone's knee jerk reaction to defend video games via free speech I think this method of defense is inherently idiotic.If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I wouldn't base my case on freedom of privacy.
I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhem but should be protected anyway.
They aren't dangerous.
They don't pose a public threat and they shouldn't even be charged as such let alone 'allowed' to exist in spite of these accusations.People need to educate the voting public that the 12 year old next to them on the laughing and bragging about how he shot a rifle through someone's head yesterday and made it explode isn't a deraged lunatic.Video games out of context sound insane and dangerous.
This is largely an educational problem which needs a good PR campaign.
It's easier to defend something which people understand and like than it is to fight an abstract constitutional battle about the conflict between freedom and public well being.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231125</id>
	<title>Re:Every election the same farce</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1244281440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Really, this is supposed to be the fabled "democracy" ancient greeks thought up? Oh no, wait. We've transformed that into a PR farce that every four years proves how rotten the people at the top are.</i></p><p>Democracy worked for the ancient Greeks for a certain period of time purely because, for<br>that period of time, the ancient Greeks weren't a degenerate society.  They were also<br>probably the only human society that has yet existed, which were not degenerate, and they weren't able to maintain that degree of sociological integrity for very long, either.</p><p>Contemporary America, in particular, is an utterly degenerate society.  Civic<br>responsibility in any form is a completely alien concept.  The three primary activities<br>engaged in are working probably 14 hours a day, being preoccupied on what Paris Hilton,<br>Britney Spears, or "Brangelina," are doing this week, or working on a continually<br>worsening obesity problem.</p><p>The system only works if you work the system.  Virtually nobody does, and that's why it<br>doesn't work.  The only people in contemporary politics, for the most part, are those who want power over others.  Nobody else really cares.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , this is supposed to be the fabled " democracy " ancient greeks thought up ?
Oh no , wait .
We 've transformed that into a PR farce that every four years proves how rotten the people at the top are.Democracy worked for the ancient Greeks for a certain period of time purely because , forthat period of time , the ancient Greeks were n't a degenerate society .
They were alsoprobably the only human society that has yet existed , which were not degenerate , and they were n't able to maintain that degree of sociological integrity for very long , either.Contemporary America , in particular , is an utterly degenerate society .
Civicresponsibility in any form is a completely alien concept .
The three primary activitiesengaged in are working probably 14 hours a day , being preoccupied on what Paris Hilton,Britney Spears , or " Brangelina , " are doing this week , or working on a continuallyworsening obesity problem.The system only works if you work the system .
Virtually nobody does , and that 's why itdoes n't work .
The only people in contemporary politics , for the most part , are those who want power over others .
Nobody else really cares .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, this is supposed to be the fabled "democracy" ancient greeks thought up?
Oh no, wait.
We've transformed that into a PR farce that every four years proves how rotten the people at the top are.Democracy worked for the ancient Greeks for a certain period of time purely because, forthat period of time, the ancient Greeks weren't a degenerate society.
They were alsoprobably the only human society that has yet existed, which were not degenerate, and they weren't able to maintain that degree of sociological integrity for very long, either.Contemporary America, in particular, is an utterly degenerate society.
Civicresponsibility in any form is a completely alien concept.
The three primary activitiesengaged in are working probably 14 hours a day, being preoccupied on what Paris Hilton,Britney Spears, or "Brangelina," are doing this week, or working on a continuallyworsening obesity problem.The system only works if you work the system.
Virtually nobody does, and that's why itdoesn't work.
The only people in contemporary politics, for the most part, are those who want power over others.
Nobody else really cares.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28233391</id>
	<title>Re:First Post</title>
	<author>ENIGMAwastaken</author>
	<datestamp>1244305860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whether or not video games are dangerous (they very well might be. I think the studies are inconclusive in this regard.) is irrelevent.
<br>
<br>

We, as free citizens, should be allowed to engage in (reasonably) dangerous activities, activities such as drinking alcohol (Huge in Germany), driving cars (Also huge in Germany), etc.
<br>
<br>

This isn't a factual matter but a moral, rights-based matter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whether or not video games are dangerous ( they very well might be .
I think the studies are inconclusive in this regard .
) is irrelevent .
We , as free citizens , should be allowed to engage in ( reasonably ) dangerous activities , activities such as drinking alcohol ( Huge in Germany ) , driving cars ( Also huge in Germany ) , etc .
This is n't a factual matter but a moral , rights-based matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whether or not video games are dangerous (they very well might be.
I think the studies are inconclusive in this regard.
) is irrelevent.
We, as free citizens, should be allowed to engage in (reasonably) dangerous activities, activities such as drinking alcohol (Huge in Germany), driving cars (Also huge in Germany), etc.
This isn't a factual matter but a moral, rights-based matter.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230179</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231897</id>
	<title>oh, blow your non sequitors out your ass</title>
	<author>Uberbah</author>
	<datestamp>1244294580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Right, people just come out of the womb stabbing and biting everything in sight.</i></p><p>Straw man.  The rest of your post is a giant non sequitor.</p><p><i>Stop blaming shit on genetics just because it frees you of responsibility for your community. </i></p><p>People aren't interested in violence and sex because of media, violent media are made because people are interested by violence and sex.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , people just come out of the womb stabbing and biting everything in sight.Straw man .
The rest of your post is a giant non sequitor.Stop blaming shit on genetics just because it frees you of responsibility for your community .
People are n't interested in violence and sex because of media , violent media are made because people are interested by violence and sex .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, people just come out of the womb stabbing and biting everything in sight.Straw man.
The rest of your post is a giant non sequitor.Stop blaming shit on genetics just because it frees you of responsibility for your community.
People aren't interested in violence and sex because of media, violent media are made because people are interested by violence and sex.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230339</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231041</id>
	<title>Re:Free Speech? Really? Best Defense?</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1244280480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a grown up, the things I read, watch or play are my problem and my problem alone. If they were talking about banning games for kids, we could take another angle and argue over the influence of videogames. I'm an adult, I don't want to be considered like an irresponsible that will go on rampage because he watched Terminator or played Far Cry 2...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a grown up , the things I read , watch or play are my problem and my problem alone .
If they were talking about banning games for kids , we could take another angle and argue over the influence of videogames .
I 'm an adult , I do n't want to be considered like an irresponsible that will go on rampage because he watched Terminator or played Far Cry 2.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a grown up, the things I read, watch or play are my problem and my problem alone.
If they were talking about banning games for kids, we could take another angle and argue over the influence of videogames.
I'm an adult, I don't want to be considered like an irresponsible that will go on rampage because he watched Terminator or played Far Cry 2...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230159</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230333</id>
	<title>They're just bitter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244225760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because they always get their asses kicked and all the doublya-doublya-two shooters keep reminding them about it.  THEY WERE ALL ON VACATION!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they always get their asses kicked and all the doublya-doublya-two shooters keep reminding them about it .
THEY WERE ALL ON VACATION !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they always get their asses kicked and all the doublya-doublya-two shooters keep reminding them about it.
THEY WERE ALL ON VACATION!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230683</id>
	<title>Re:And this is the government...</title>
	<author>laron</author>
	<datestamp>1244231460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Control freaks will suffer no other control freaks in their territory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Control freaks will suffer no other control freaks in their territory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Control freaks will suffer no other control freaks in their territory.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230003</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28238549</id>
	<title>Silly.</title>
	<author>Mwise1023</author>
	<datestamp>1244303160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>So,<br><br>Let's ban War.<br>Let's ban images of War.<br>Let's ban history textbooks of War.<br>Let's ban everything and anything related to human death caused by another human.<br><br>A game does not desensitize. Exposure, in general, desensitizes people. And even then does NOT create people who are easier and more likely to kill another person. If that were the case, the major cities would implode across the planet.<br><br>Banning games that have violence against humans is silly. They should address why these sell in the first place. They're not solving problems by banning games. They are just sweeping dirt under the carpet and ignoring the issue/problem. Games are not the problem. Violence is not the problem. The problem is the human condition, and we cannot ban that.<br><br>Very best,</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>So,Let 's ban War.Let 's ban images of War.Let 's ban history textbooks of War.Let 's ban everything and anything related to human death caused by another human.A game does not desensitize .
Exposure , in general , desensitizes people .
And even then does NOT create people who are easier and more likely to kill another person .
If that were the case , the major cities would implode across the planet.Banning games that have violence against humans is silly .
They should address why these sell in the first place .
They 're not solving problems by banning games .
They are just sweeping dirt under the carpet and ignoring the issue/problem .
Games are not the problem .
Violence is not the problem .
The problem is the human condition , and we can not ban that.Very best,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So,Let's ban War.Let's ban images of War.Let's ban history textbooks of War.Let's ban everything and anything related to human death caused by another human.A game does not desensitize.
Exposure, in general, desensitizes people.
And even then does NOT create people who are easier and more likely to kill another person.
If that were the case, the major cities would implode across the planet.Banning games that have violence against humans is silly.
They should address why these sell in the first place.
They're not solving problems by banning games.
They are just sweeping dirt under the carpet and ignoring the issue/problem.
Games are not the problem.
Violence is not the problem.
The problem is the human condition, and we cannot ban that.Very best,</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230883</id>
	<title>Re:People don't want to believe in bad people</title>
	<author>Anzya</author>
	<datestamp>1244320980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hitler also said that people are good at discerning the small white lies because everyone does it. The big whoppers are much harder because nobody thinks anyone would lie about something like that.</p><p>Oh, and the solutions he promised weren't about genocide. He simply promised a better economy and bringing back Germany to above and beyond what it was before WWI.<br>The German people where starting to get desperate after years of oppression due to the surrender conditions after WWI.<br>The allies from WWI are also to blame for Hitler being able to take control. By placing all the fault on the Germans you simply repeats the errors of WWI.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hitler also said that people are good at discerning the small white lies because everyone does it .
The big whoppers are much harder because nobody thinks anyone would lie about something like that.Oh , and the solutions he promised were n't about genocide .
He simply promised a better economy and bringing back Germany to above and beyond what it was before WWI.The German people where starting to get desperate after years of oppression due to the surrender conditions after WWI.The allies from WWI are also to blame for Hitler being able to take control .
By placing all the fault on the Germans you simply repeats the errors of WWI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hitler also said that people are good at discerning the small white lies because everyone does it.
The big whoppers are much harder because nobody thinks anyone would lie about something like that.Oh, and the solutions he promised weren't about genocide.
He simply promised a better economy and bringing back Germany to above and beyond what it was before WWI.The German people where starting to get desperate after years of oppression due to the surrender conditions after WWI.The allies from WWI are also to blame for Hitler being able to take control.
By placing all the fault on the Germans you simply repeats the errors of WWI.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231167</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's law...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244281980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>IMHO this is a lax translation. I'll try an exact one: "for games, which major element of the game's plot is the virtual exercise of realistically depicted acts of homicide or other gruesome or otherwise inhuman violences against human beings"</htmltext>
<tokenext>IMHO this is a lax translation .
I 'll try an exact one : " for games , which major element of the game 's plot is the virtual exercise of realistically depicted acts of homicide or other gruesome or otherwise inhuman violences against human beings "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMHO this is a lax translation.
I'll try an exact one: "for games, which major element of the game's plot is the virtual exercise of realistically depicted acts of homicide or other gruesome or otherwise inhuman violences against human beings"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231829</id>
	<title>. . .and in stores in bordering countries . . . ?</title>
	<author>PolygamousRanchKid </author>
	<datestamp>1244293500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>. . . like Poland or the Czech Republic, where Germans flock for bargains?  What about buying something online in another country?
</p><p>How will you really know that kids don't have ultra-violent games on their PCs?  Maybe allow the Federal Police (Kripo) to plant trojans that snoop around on kids' computers?
</p><p>I guess they'll need a federal department to decide what's ultra-violent, and what's not.  And the Border Police and Customs will need to check travelers for this as well.  What if you enter the country with a title that they have not rated yet?
</p><p>This is just politicians abusing a tragic shooting incident, and trying to spin some political capital by trying to look like they are doing something about a complicated problem that has no trivial solutions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .
like Poland or the Czech Republic , where Germans flock for bargains ?
What about buying something online in another country ?
How will you really know that kids do n't have ultra-violent games on their PCs ?
Maybe allow the Federal Police ( Kripo ) to plant trojans that snoop around on kids ' computers ?
I guess they 'll need a federal department to decide what 's ultra-violent , and what 's not .
And the Border Police and Customs will need to check travelers for this as well .
What if you enter the country with a title that they have not rated yet ?
This is just politicians abusing a tragic shooting incident , and trying to spin some political capital by trying to look like they are doing something about a complicated problem that has no trivial solutions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
. .
like Poland or the Czech Republic, where Germans flock for bargains?
What about buying something online in another country?
How will you really know that kids don't have ultra-violent games on their PCs?
Maybe allow the Federal Police (Kripo) to plant trojans that snoop around on kids' computers?
I guess they'll need a federal department to decide what's ultra-violent, and what's not.
And the Border Police and Customs will need to check travelers for this as well.
What if you enter the country with a title that they have not rated yet?
This is just politicians abusing a tragic shooting incident, and trying to spin some political capital by trying to look like they are doing something about a complicated problem that has no trivial solutions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231989</id>
	<title>Re:What about a ban...</title>
	<author>stesch</author>
	<datestamp>1244295660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's a Hasselhoff?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's a Hasselhoff ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's a Hasselhoff?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231143</id>
	<title>Re:Dumb Meets Dumber</title>
	<author>Nathrael</author>
	<datestamp>1244281740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The ultra violent action game doesn't hold that strong a position even in the PC market. The most popular items in PC Games. Updated hourly.</p></div><p>
Problem is, the German government's definition of "ultra violent video games" varies from the one most people have. We all know about Beckstein comparing the uncensored version of Counter Strike to child pornography...or the censorship of Half Life (1). And the German rating organization (the USK) is a puppet organization controlled by politicians like that - just take a look at what they do: even a lot of T-rated games are rated 16+ or 18+ in Germany, just because you use a gun to kill your enemies.<br> <br>
On a semi-related note, has anybody else already noticed how these pesky USK signs on the boxes seem to grow lately? They almost claim a whole quarter of the front for them...well, just another reason why buying games in German or Austrian shops is a very bad idea (which is a bad idea anyways thanks to prices and taxes). Too good that it isn't like that in the USA.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The ultra violent action game does n't hold that strong a position even in the PC market .
The most popular items in PC Games .
Updated hourly .
Problem is , the German government 's definition of " ultra violent video games " varies from the one most people have .
We all know about Beckstein comparing the uncensored version of Counter Strike to child pornography...or the censorship of Half Life ( 1 ) .
And the German rating organization ( the USK ) is a puppet organization controlled by politicians like that - just take a look at what they do : even a lot of T-rated games are rated 16 + or 18 + in Germany , just because you use a gun to kill your enemies .
On a semi-related note , has anybody else already noticed how these pesky USK signs on the boxes seem to grow lately ?
They almost claim a whole quarter of the front for them...well , just another reason why buying games in German or Austrian shops is a very bad idea ( which is a bad idea anyways thanks to prices and taxes ) .
Too good that it is n't like that in the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ultra violent action game doesn't hold that strong a position even in the PC market.
The most popular items in PC Games.
Updated hourly.
Problem is, the German government's definition of "ultra violent video games" varies from the one most people have.
We all know about Beckstein comparing the uncensored version of Counter Strike to child pornography...or the censorship of Half Life (1).
And the German rating organization (the USK) is a puppet organization controlled by politicians like that - just take a look at what they do: even a lot of T-rated games are rated 16+ or 18+ in Germany, just because you use a gun to kill your enemies.
On a semi-related note, has anybody else already noticed how these pesky USK signs on the boxes seem to grow lately?
They almost claim a whole quarter of the front for them...well, just another reason why buying games in German or Austrian shops is a very bad idea (which is a bad idea anyways thanks to prices and taxes).
Too good that it isn't like that in the USA.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28234951</id>
	<title>Re:First Post</title>
	<author>bitt3n</author>
	<datestamp>1244317260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhem</p></div><p>If someone tells me to stop writing derisive articles about government policy because it is not in the national interest, am I, by appealing to my right to free speech, implying that he is correct? Rather, I think I am arguing that whatever damage I may do, if any, is less than the damage censorship would cause. Likewise, video games might well cause some damage, or at least it would be difficult to prove the never do, under any circumstance. However, an argument appealing to free speech requires the government to demonstrate that the damage they cause, if any, is greater than the damage caused by censoring them. This places the burden of proof on opponents of free speech, where it belongs.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhemIf someone tells me to stop writing derisive articles about government policy because it is not in the national interest , am I , by appealing to my right to free speech , implying that he is correct ?
Rather , I think I am arguing that whatever damage I may do , if any , is less than the damage censorship would cause .
Likewise , video games might well cause some damage , or at least it would be difficult to prove the never do , under any circumstance .
However , an argument appealing to free speech requires the government to demonstrate that the damage they cause , if any , is greater than the damage caused by censoring them .
This places the burden of proof on opponents of free speech , where it belongs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhemIf someone tells me to stop writing derisive articles about government policy because it is not in the national interest, am I, by appealing to my right to free speech, implying that he is correct?
Rather, I think I am arguing that whatever damage I may do, if any, is less than the damage censorship would cause.
Likewise, video games might well cause some damage, or at least it would be difficult to prove the never do, under any circumstance.
However, an argument appealing to free speech requires the government to demonstrate that the damage they cause, if any, is greater than the damage caused by censoring them.
This places the burden of proof on opponents of free speech, where it belongs.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28237847</id>
	<title>Re:Germany has a problem with democracy</title>
	<author>marksu</author>
	<datestamp>1244295840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no law here against stating anything that is factual right but the rest is true.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>What's the point of having free speech if you can't offend anybody? Didn't opposition to the monarchy or Hitler offend someone? Didn't Luther's 100 theses nailed to the Catholic church door offend the church?</p></div><p>Ok, thats 3 things:<br>1) as I said elsewhere, 'freedom of speech' is not the topmost priority here - its dignity of the person. So offending is a crime. Stating facts is not.<br>2) we never opposed our monarchs - that would be un-german.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The lesson we learned from Hitler is that we can't have someone yelling untruths about some minority group (e.g. anti-jewish propaganda) and making a mass movement out of it.  Does make sense, does it?<br>3) Luther did indeed offend the church and would have gone to jail if he hadn't fled. Nowadays we would have caught him.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>Different countries run on different rules. Many things may look strange to you but they are not necessarily bad. Don't start me on whats weird in the USA... Try to understand the history of a nation and many things get an explanation.</p></div>
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<tokenext>There is no law here against stating anything that is factual right but the rest is true.What 's the point of having free speech if you ca n't offend anybody ?
Did n't opposition to the monarchy or Hitler offend someone ?
Did n't Luther 's 100 theses nailed to the Catholic church door offend the church ? Ok , thats 3 things : 1 ) as I said elsewhere , 'freedom of speech ' is not the topmost priority here - its dignity of the person .
So offending is a crime .
Stating facts is not.2 ) we never opposed our monarchs - that would be un-german .
: )       The lesson we learned from Hitler is that we ca n't have someone yelling untruths about some minority group ( e.g .
anti-jewish propaganda ) and making a mass movement out of it .
Does make sense , does it ? 3 ) Luther did indeed offend the church and would have gone to jail if he had n't fled .
Nowadays we would have caught him .
; ) Different countries run on different rules .
Many things may look strange to you but they are not necessarily bad .
Do n't start me on whats weird in the USA... Try to understand the history of a nation and many things get an explanation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no law here against stating anything that is factual right but the rest is true.What's the point of having free speech if you can't offend anybody?
Didn't opposition to the monarchy or Hitler offend someone?
Didn't Luther's 100 theses nailed to the Catholic church door offend the church?Ok, thats 3 things:1) as I said elsewhere, 'freedom of speech' is not the topmost priority here - its dignity of the person.
So offending is a crime.
Stating facts is not.2) we never opposed our monarchs - that would be un-german.
:)
      The lesson we learned from Hitler is that we can't have someone yelling untruths about some minority group (e.g.
anti-jewish propaganda) and making a mass movement out of it.
Does make sense, does it?3) Luther did indeed offend the church and would have gone to jail if he hadn't fled.
Nowadays we would have caught him.
;)Different countries run on different rules.
Many things may look strange to you but they are not necessarily bad.
Don't start me on whats weird in the USA... Try to understand the history of a nation and many things get an explanation.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28233615</id>
	<title>Slow News Day. Time to bash the Germans again.</title>
	<author>vorlich</author>
	<datestamp>1244307180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Speigel is available in English so there is no need to use Google's hilarious language masher. <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/" title="spiegel.de">http://www.spiegel.de/international/</a> [spiegel.de]
This item will not appear for a few days since it is bit of electioneering to a very violence-sensitive nation and not really international news. You can read alternative German opinions on the subject in Thelocal <a href="http://www.thelocal.de/opinion/20090317-18073.html" title="thelocal.de">http://www.thelocal.de/opinion/20090317-18073.html</a> [thelocal.de].<br> <br> It probably comes as a surprise that Germany is a democracy and has many different opinions on a variety of subjects. The nation has a remarkable number of elderly people compared to the rest of the world and most of them think the internet comes in a box. This sort of thing appeals to them. They don't allow ordinary citizens to carry handguns either and they do provide healthcare for all of their citizens and even non-citizens who are employed. Abortion, contraception and education, including sex education, are available to all and their is a clear separation between what are considered religious ideas and what are scientific concepts. <br>They also have some of the fastest cars in the world and the safest roads on the planet where you can travel at sub-light speeds legally. <br> <br>As slashdot's regular defender of all things German ( I have a Bavarian family) and rebutter of this sort of FUD, I am not too worried about<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./  propagating ridiculous stereotypes about this country and its very open, liberal and democratic society, because it means fewer people with those daft opinions will come here and spoil it all for me. It's a beautiful part of the world as well and dare I mention how similar the Germans are to the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Americans!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Speigel is available in English so there is no need to use Google 's hilarious language masher .
http : //www.spiegel.de/international/ [ spiegel.de ] This item will not appear for a few days since it is bit of electioneering to a very violence-sensitive nation and not really international news .
You can read alternative German opinions on the subject in Thelocal http : //www.thelocal.de/opinion/20090317-18073.html [ thelocal.de ] .
It probably comes as a surprise that Germany is a democracy and has many different opinions on a variety of subjects .
The nation has a remarkable number of elderly people compared to the rest of the world and most of them think the internet comes in a box .
This sort of thing appeals to them .
They do n't allow ordinary citizens to carry handguns either and they do provide healthcare for all of their citizens and even non-citizens who are employed .
Abortion , contraception and education , including sex education , are available to all and their is a clear separation between what are considered religious ideas and what are scientific concepts .
They also have some of the fastest cars in the world and the safest roads on the planet where you can travel at sub-light speeds legally .
As slashdot 's regular defender of all things German ( I have a Bavarian family ) and rebutter of this sort of FUD , I am not too worried about ./ propagating ridiculous stereotypes about this country and its very open , liberal and democratic society , because it means fewer people with those daft opinions will come here and spoil it all for me .
It 's a beautiful part of the world as well and dare I mention how similar the Germans are to the ... Americans !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speigel is available in English so there is no need to use Google's hilarious language masher.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/ [spiegel.de]
This item will not appear for a few days since it is bit of electioneering to a very violence-sensitive nation and not really international news.
You can read alternative German opinions on the subject in Thelocal http://www.thelocal.de/opinion/20090317-18073.html [thelocal.de].
It probably comes as a surprise that Germany is a democracy and has many different opinions on a variety of subjects.
The nation has a remarkable number of elderly people compared to the rest of the world and most of them think the internet comes in a box.
This sort of thing appeals to them.
They don't allow ordinary citizens to carry handguns either and they do provide healthcare for all of their citizens and even non-citizens who are employed.
Abortion, contraception and education, including sex education, are available to all and their is a clear separation between what are considered religious ideas and what are scientific concepts.
They also have some of the fastest cars in the world and the safest roads on the planet where you can travel at sub-light speeds legally.
As slashdot's regular defender of all things German ( I have a Bavarian family) and rebutter of this sort of FUD, I am not too worried about ./  propagating ridiculous stereotypes about this country and its very open, liberal and democratic society, because it means fewer people with those daft opinions will come here and spoil it all for me.
It's a beautiful part of the world as well and dare I mention how similar the Germans are to the ... Americans!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230529</id>
	<title>*yawn*</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244229180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Germany is not a computer games-fixated country.  More kids here would rather play football than computer games, and the computer gamers don't play violent games exclusively.  This proposal therefore affects only a very small minority.</p><p>I guess it's the principle of the matter that's getting into the nerves of many.  If they ban violent computer games now, who says they won't ban other things in the future?  But really, banning one thing doesn't always lead to a ban on others.  As an example, doing the Hitler salute is banned here in Munich since like forever, and that restriction of freedom has not led to other restrictions of freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Germany is not a computer games-fixated country .
More kids here would rather play football than computer games , and the computer gamers do n't play violent games exclusively .
This proposal therefore affects only a very small minority.I guess it 's the principle of the matter that 's getting into the nerves of many .
If they ban violent computer games now , who says they wo n't ban other things in the future ?
But really , banning one thing does n't always lead to a ban on others .
As an example , doing the Hitler salute is banned here in Munich since like forever , and that restriction of freedom has not led to other restrictions of freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Germany is not a computer games-fixated country.
More kids here would rather play football than computer games, and the computer gamers don't play violent games exclusively.
This proposal therefore affects only a very small minority.I guess it's the principle of the matter that's getting into the nerves of many.
If they ban violent computer games now, who says they won't ban other things in the future?
But really, banning one thing doesn't always lead to a ban on others.
As an example, doing the Hitler salute is banned here in Munich since like forever, and that restriction of freedom has not led to other restrictions of freedom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230575</id>
	<title>Dumb Meets Dumber</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1244229660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Hey we're really hurting on the economy, let's ban the idiots that dare run a successful business and bring needed tax revenue in!</i> </p><p>The economic argument is a boneheaded tactical blunder.</p><p>It is the argument the tobacco company makes. The pornographer.</p><p>There is no business practice so corrupt and debased that hasn't been defended the same way.</p><p>The economic argument fails on the facts.</p><p>The Wii is the best selling console platform.</p><p> The Wii could all its M rated titles - and it would remain the best selling console platform. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/14218901/ref=pd\_ts\_pg\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;pg=1" title="amazon.com">The most popular items in Wii. Updated hourly.</a> [amazon.com] </p><p>The ultra violent action game doesn't hold that strong a position even in the PC market. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/229575/ref=pd\_ts\_vg\_ldr\_229575" title="amazon.com">The most popular items in PC Games. Updated hourly.</a> [amazon.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey we 're really hurting on the economy , let 's ban the idiots that dare run a successful business and bring needed tax revenue in !
The economic argument is a boneheaded tactical blunder.It is the argument the tobacco company makes .
The pornographer.There is no business practice so corrupt and debased that has n't been defended the same way.The economic argument fails on the facts.The Wii is the best selling console platform .
The Wii could all its M rated titles - and it would remain the best selling console platform .
The most popular items in Wii .
Updated hourly .
[ amazon.com ] The ultra violent action game does n't hold that strong a position even in the PC market .
The most popular items in PC Games .
Updated hourly .
[ amazon.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey we're really hurting on the economy, let's ban the idiots that dare run a successful business and bring needed tax revenue in!
The economic argument is a boneheaded tactical blunder.It is the argument the tobacco company makes.
The pornographer.There is no business practice so corrupt and debased that hasn't been defended the same way.The economic argument fails on the facts.The Wii is the best selling console platform.
The Wii could all its M rated titles - and it would remain the best selling console platform.
The most popular items in Wii.
Updated hourly.
[amazon.com] The ultra violent action game doesn't hold that strong a position even in the PC market.
The most popular items in PC Games.
Updated hourly.
[amazon.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28233541</id>
	<title>Re:Ban games = no more shootings?</title>
	<author>Asic Eng</author>
	<datestamp>1244306760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well of course - playing these games "trains" people to kill others, according to some German politicians. Never mind the fact that Germany has a draft and provides actual training to kill people to every able male in the country. So the reasoning must be: playing with pretend weapons = dangerous and causes violence, training with actual military equipment = completely harmless.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well of course - playing these games " trains " people to kill others , according to some German politicians .
Never mind the fact that Germany has a draft and provides actual training to kill people to every able male in the country .
So the reasoning must be : playing with pretend weapons = dangerous and causes violence , training with actual military equipment = completely harmless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well of course - playing these games "trains" people to kill others, according to some German politicians.
Never mind the fact that Germany has a draft and provides actual training to kill people to every able male in the country.
So the reasoning must be: playing with pretend weapons = dangerous and causes violence, training with actual military equipment = completely harmless.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230107</id>
	<title>Crytek.de</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244222640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FUD - there is no word in TFA about Crytek being forced to outsource or similar - you know, banning sales != banning development.<br>(Also, Germany produces lots of real world weapons for export only... )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FUD - there is no word in TFA about Crytek being forced to outsource or similar - you know , banning sales ! = banning development .
( Also , Germany produces lots of real world weapons for export only... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FUD - there is no word in TFA about Crytek being forced to outsource or similar - you know, banning sales != banning development.
(Also, Germany produces lots of real world weapons for export only... )</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230551</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244229420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>in a related story, jack thompson has allegedly begun studying german.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in a related story , jack thompson has allegedly begun studying german .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in a related story, jack thompson has allegedly begun studying german.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230319</id>
	<title>Why not ban TV?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244225580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not for the violent tv-shows, movies etc<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>No, I'm not going to go along those lines - that's just adding to the fire of "ban violent [something]", and we haven't seen any good studies showing a link between virtual and real violence.</p><p>However, we HAVE seen how effective TV, radio and movie theaters are in turning a population against others, raising support for horrible behaviour, war<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... lots of other stuff.</p><p>It's actually documented in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph\_Goebbels" title="wikipedia.org">Germany's own history</a> [wikipedia.org]. Yes, I almost Godwin'ed myself, but in this case it's quite relevant, even though it is slightly trollish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not for the violent tv-shows , movies etc ...No , I 'm not going to go along those lines - that 's just adding to the fire of " ban violent [ something ] " , and we have n't seen any good studies showing a link between virtual and real violence.However , we HAVE seen how effective TV , radio and movie theaters are in turning a population against others , raising support for horrible behaviour , war ... lots of other stuff.It 's actually documented in Germany 's own history [ wikipedia.org ] .
Yes , I almost Godwin'ed myself , but in this case it 's quite relevant , even though it is slightly trollish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not for the violent tv-shows, movies etc ...No, I'm not going to go along those lines - that's just adding to the fire of "ban violent [something]", and we haven't seen any good studies showing a link between virtual and real violence.However, we HAVE seen how effective TV, radio and movie theaters are in turning a population against others, raising support for horrible behaviour, war ... lots of other stuff.It's actually documented in Germany's own history [wikipedia.org].
Yes, I almost Godwin'ed myself, but in this case it's quite relevant, even though it is slightly trollish.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230215</id>
	<title>Ban games = no more shootings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244224140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I have to wonder how this idea makes sense to any rational person who stops and thinks about it. Ban violent videogames to eliminate violence. <br> <br>

It's nothing but election-year grandstanding. You see it just about everywhere, and it likely won't be long until politicians in other countries take up equally extreme/ridiculous measures in order to keep their seats.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to wonder how this idea makes sense to any rational person who stops and thinks about it .
Ban violent videogames to eliminate violence .
It 's nothing but election-year grandstanding .
You see it just about everywhere , and it likely wo n't be long until politicians in other countries take up equally extreme/ridiculous measures in order to keep their seats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to wonder how this idea makes sense to any rational person who stops and thinks about it.
Ban violent videogames to eliminate violence.
It's nothing but election-year grandstanding.
You see it just about everywhere, and it likely won't be long until politicians in other countries take up equally extreme/ridiculous measures in order to keep their seats.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231895</id>
	<title>Re:Germany has a problem with democracy</title>
	<author>heeen</author>
	<datestamp>1244294520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Care to back this up with some sources?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Care to back this up with some sources ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Care to back this up with some sources?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230481</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's law...</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1244228100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I'm pretty sure there have a been a few articles where even the summary, or the article itself, demonstrates Godwin's Law.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure there have a been a few articles where even the summary , or the article itself , demonstrates Godwin 's Law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure there have a been a few articles where even the summary, or the article itself, demonstrates Godwin's Law.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230205</id>
	<title>Re:Free Speech? Really? Best Defense?</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1244223960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>People need to educate the voting public that the 12 year old next to them on the laughing and bragging about how he shot a rifle through someone's head yesterday and made it explode isn't a deraged lunatic.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/04/11/" title="penny-arcade.com">Oblig.</a> [penny-arcade.com] </p></div>
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<tokenext>People need to educate the voting public that the 12 year old next to them on the laughing and bragging about how he shot a rifle through someone 's head yesterday and made it explode is n't a deraged lunatic .
Oblig. [ penny-arcade.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People need to educate the voting public that the 12 year old next to them on the laughing and bragging about how he shot a rifle through someone's head yesterday and made it explode isn't a deraged lunatic.
Oblig. [penny-arcade.com] 
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231099</id>
	<title>Re:Crytek</title>
	<author>tenco</author>
	<datestamp>1244281200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hopefully they do leave Germany</p></div><p>I don't know about Crytek, but if I finish my studies in 2-3 years and the situation hasn't changed considerably for the better by then (not just games, there a plenty of other issues too), I'll emigrate. This threshold has been crossed ~1 year ago.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Hopefully they do leave GermanyI do n't know about Crytek , but if I finish my studies in 2-3 years and the situation has n't changed considerably for the better by then ( not just games , there a plenty of other issues too ) , I 'll emigrate .
This threshold has been crossed ~ 1 year ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully they do leave GermanyI don't know about Crytek, but if I finish my studies in 2-3 years and the situation hasn't changed considerably for the better by then (not just games, there a plenty of other issues too), I'll emigrate.
This threshold has been crossed ~1 year ago.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231937</id>
	<title>Re:Germany has a problem with democracy</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1244295000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There is essentially no anonymous speech, since all communications ports need to be registered and all electronic communications are tracked and logged.</p></div></blockquote><p>By the NSA. I'm not aware of any German agency doing that. Okay, my ISP has to retain who used which IP address for the last couple months. Do you mean that? Or do you mean the push for warrantless wiretapping, which essentially turned into a decade-long legal battle, unlike in the United States?</p><blockquote><div><p>Registration, tracking, and surveillance of citizens in Germany seems to be so widespread that people don't even care anymore and just think it's the same way everywhere.</p></div></blockquote><p>The United Kingdom is not part of Germany.</p><blockquote><div><p>People have the attitude that "as long as the government does it, it's OK, at least we aren't like the US, where Google tracks everybody", which is a bizarre view given Germany's history.</p></div></blockquote><p>Which is exactly why Wolfgang Sch&#228;uble (the current Minister of the Interior) is all but warred on by privacy advocates, a somewhat recent example being the CCC acquiring one of his fingerprints and publishing it.</p><blockquote><div><p>And you only need to look at the 1930's to see how a progressive and liberal German government can turn into a genocidal regime bent on world conquest.</p></div></blockquote><p>Thee government at the time was completey unable to make any decisions due to being cluttered with many small warring parties. That's one of the reasons why the NSDAP was so successful with its rhethoric: Half of it was actually right.</p><blockquote><div><p>And it's not just the government that does it: some of Germany's biggest corporations have been illegally listening in on employees and customers and even forged communications.</p></div></blockquote><p>And got slaughtered by the media and sometimes sued by the employees for it.</p><blockquote><div><p>Somehow, the idea of "free speech" seems to have gotten lost in the translation after the Western allies laid the foundations for German democracy after WWII.</p></div></blockquote><p>We've always had it, with restrictions (many of which were defined by the Allies themselves). Full-blown free speech like in the USA was never intended to exist here. Since the only people we could complain to about it have nuclear weapons and a "nukes mean no responsibility" attitude I think I'm not going to.</p></div>
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<tokenext>There is essentially no anonymous speech , since all communications ports need to be registered and all electronic communications are tracked and logged.By the NSA .
I 'm not aware of any German agency doing that .
Okay , my ISP has to retain who used which IP address for the last couple months .
Do you mean that ?
Or do you mean the push for warrantless wiretapping , which essentially turned into a decade-long legal battle , unlike in the United States ? Registration , tracking , and surveillance of citizens in Germany seems to be so widespread that people do n't even care anymore and just think it 's the same way everywhere.The United Kingdom is not part of Germany.People have the attitude that " as long as the government does it , it 's OK , at least we are n't like the US , where Google tracks everybody " , which is a bizarre view given Germany 's history.Which is exactly why Wolfgang Sch   uble ( the current Minister of the Interior ) is all but warred on by privacy advocates , a somewhat recent example being the CCC acquiring one of his fingerprints and publishing it.And you only need to look at the 1930 's to see how a progressive and liberal German government can turn into a genocidal regime bent on world conquest.Thee government at the time was completey unable to make any decisions due to being cluttered with many small warring parties .
That 's one of the reasons why the NSDAP was so successful with its rhethoric : Half of it was actually right.And it 's not just the government that does it : some of Germany 's biggest corporations have been illegally listening in on employees and customers and even forged communications.And got slaughtered by the media and sometimes sued by the employees for it.Somehow , the idea of " free speech " seems to have gotten lost in the translation after the Western allies laid the foundations for German democracy after WWII.We 've always had it , with restrictions ( many of which were defined by the Allies themselves ) .
Full-blown free speech like in the USA was never intended to exist here .
Since the only people we could complain to about it have nuclear weapons and a " nukes mean no responsibility " attitude I think I 'm not going to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is essentially no anonymous speech, since all communications ports need to be registered and all electronic communications are tracked and logged.By the NSA.
I'm not aware of any German agency doing that.
Okay, my ISP has to retain who used which IP address for the last couple months.
Do you mean that?
Or do you mean the push for warrantless wiretapping, which essentially turned into a decade-long legal battle, unlike in the United States?Registration, tracking, and surveillance of citizens in Germany seems to be so widespread that people don't even care anymore and just think it's the same way everywhere.The United Kingdom is not part of Germany.People have the attitude that "as long as the government does it, it's OK, at least we aren't like the US, where Google tracks everybody", which is a bizarre view given Germany's history.Which is exactly why Wolfgang Schäuble (the current Minister of the Interior) is all but warred on by privacy advocates, a somewhat recent example being the CCC acquiring one of his fingerprints and publishing it.And you only need to look at the 1930's to see how a progressive and liberal German government can turn into a genocidal regime bent on world conquest.Thee government at the time was completey unable to make any decisions due to being cluttered with many small warring parties.
That's one of the reasons why the NSDAP was so successful with its rhethoric: Half of it was actually right.And it's not just the government that does it: some of Germany's biggest corporations have been illegally listening in on employees and customers and even forged communications.And got slaughtered by the media and sometimes sued by the employees for it.Somehow, the idea of "free speech" seems to have gotten lost in the translation after the Western allies laid the foundations for German democracy after WWII.We've always had it, with restrictions (many of which were defined by the Allies themselves).
Full-blown free speech like in the USA was never intended to exist here.
Since the only people we could complain to about it have nuclear weapons and a "nukes mean no responsibility" attitude I think I'm not going to.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230649</id>
	<title>Re:What about a ban...</title>
	<author>KDR\_11k</author>
	<datestamp>1244230860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm for abolishing the position of the minister of the interior, those guys seem to be the source of all censorship efforts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm for abolishing the position of the minister of the interior , those guys seem to be the source of all censorship efforts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm for abolishing the position of the minister of the interior, those guys seem to be the source of all censorship efforts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231201</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless legislation is pointless.</title>
	<author>icsx</author>
	<datestamp>1244282580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thing is, most games are already censored (no gore, no limbs and bodyparts are replaced with toys in Team Fortress 2) in Germany. Some games you cannot even sell there! For example a dude in Germany cannot buy Wolfenstein 3D from Steam. Now total ban for violent games? Pssh. Talk about overreacting.

TV is the biggest source for Violence. Ban it first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thing is , most games are already censored ( no gore , no limbs and bodyparts are replaced with toys in Team Fortress 2 ) in Germany .
Some games you can not even sell there !
For example a dude in Germany can not buy Wolfenstein 3D from Steam .
Now total ban for violent games ?
Pssh. Talk about overreacting .
TV is the biggest source for Violence .
Ban it first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thing is, most games are already censored (no gore, no limbs and bodyparts are replaced with toys in Team Fortress 2) in Germany.
Some games you cannot even sell there!
For example a dude in Germany cannot buy Wolfenstein 3D from Steam.
Now total ban for violent games?
Pssh. Talk about overreacting.
TV is the biggest source for Violence.
Ban it first.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230935</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless legislation is pointless.</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1244278860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>They should spend their time and energy solving REAL problems.</i></p><p>Yeah. Like <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/08/germany-paintball-school-massacre" title="guardian.co.uk">banning paintball</a> [guardian.co.uk].  Oh, wait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should spend their time and energy solving REAL problems.Yeah .
Like banning paintball [ guardian.co.uk ] .
Oh , wait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should spend their time and energy solving REAL problems.Yeah.
Like banning paintball [guardian.co.uk].
Oh, wait.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230161</id>
	<title>People don't want to believe in bad people</title>
	<author>DreamsAreOkToo</author>
	<datestamp>1244223300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People don't want to believe in bad people.  Lets face it, some people are just rotten.  It wasn't video games, it wasn't the comic books, or the rock music.  Maybe something caused it other then nature, but if that's the case, I'm sure it was exposure to a lot of lead or a head injury that damaged a specific portion of the head during early childhood.</p><p>Until we realize that some people are rotten, and everybody is responsible for themselves, we're going to continue to creating stupid laws that make the word a worse place to live in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People do n't want to believe in bad people .
Lets face it , some people are just rotten .
It was n't video games , it was n't the comic books , or the rock music .
Maybe something caused it other then nature , but if that 's the case , I 'm sure it was exposure to a lot of lead or a head injury that damaged a specific portion of the head during early childhood.Until we realize that some people are rotten , and everybody is responsible for themselves , we 're going to continue to creating stupid laws that make the word a worse place to live in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People don't want to believe in bad people.
Lets face it, some people are just rotten.
It wasn't video games, it wasn't the comic books, or the rock music.
Maybe something caused it other then nature, but if that's the case, I'm sure it was exposure to a lot of lead or a head injury that damaged a specific portion of the head during early childhood.Until we realize that some people are rotten, and everybody is responsible for themselves, we're going to continue to creating stupid laws that make the word a worse place to live in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28234553</id>
	<title>Re:NOOOOO!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244313960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to worry, Crytek said more than once that they'd immediately relocate to another country in case any such law actually passed in Germany.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to worry , Crytek said more than once that they 'd immediately relocate to another country in case any such law actually passed in Germany .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to worry, Crytek said more than once that they'd immediately relocate to another country in case any such law actually passed in Germany.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28232055</id>
	<title>Re:First Post</title>
	<author>rve</author>
	<datestamp>1244296620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>People need to educate the voting public that the 12 year old next to them on the laughing and bragging about how he shot a rifle through someone's head yesterday and made it explode isn't a deraged lunatic.</p></div><p>That is definitely not the kind of game a 12 yr old should be allowed to play.</p><p>Anyway, the root cause of moral panic like this is the fact that most people can't wrap their head around the concept of someone who is not a socially inept adolescent boy playing computer games. Their gut feeling is that games are targeted at 12 yr old boys, and the content of many of these games is not suitable for 12 yr old boys.</p><p>While the latter is true, the former is not. Most gamers are over 18, according to <a href="http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2007/07/the-esa-fact-sheet.ars" title="arstechnica.com">Ars Technica</a> [arstechnica.com].</p><p>Noone is suggesting a ban on all activities that are unsafe for 12 yr old boys. Driving isn't considered safe for 12 yr old boys, shooting firearms isn't considered safe, drinking beer isn't considered safe, sex isn't considered safe, but for adults we still have a place for these dangerous activities in our societies.</p></div>
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<tokenext>People need to educate the voting public that the 12 year old next to them on the laughing and bragging about how he shot a rifle through someone 's head yesterday and made it explode is n't a deraged lunatic.That is definitely not the kind of game a 12 yr old should be allowed to play.Anyway , the root cause of moral panic like this is the fact that most people ca n't wrap their head around the concept of someone who is not a socially inept adolescent boy playing computer games .
Their gut feeling is that games are targeted at 12 yr old boys , and the content of many of these games is not suitable for 12 yr old boys.While the latter is true , the former is not .
Most gamers are over 18 , according to Ars Technica [ arstechnica.com ] .Noone is suggesting a ban on all activities that are unsafe for 12 yr old boys .
Driving is n't considered safe for 12 yr old boys , shooting firearms is n't considered safe , drinking beer is n't considered safe , sex is n't considered safe , but for adults we still have a place for these dangerous activities in our societies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People need to educate the voting public that the 12 year old next to them on the laughing and bragging about how he shot a rifle through someone's head yesterday and made it explode isn't a deraged lunatic.That is definitely not the kind of game a 12 yr old should be allowed to play.Anyway, the root cause of moral panic like this is the fact that most people can't wrap their head around the concept of someone who is not a socially inept adolescent boy playing computer games.
Their gut feeling is that games are targeted at 12 yr old boys, and the content of many of these games is not suitable for 12 yr old boys.While the latter is true, the former is not.
Most gamers are over 18, according to Ars Technica [arstechnica.com].Noone is suggesting a ban on all activities that are unsafe for 12 yr old boys.
Driving isn't considered safe for 12 yr old boys, shooting firearms isn't considered safe, drinking beer isn't considered safe, sex isn't considered safe, but for adults we still have a place for these dangerous activities in our societies.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231763</id>
	<title>Re:Dumb Meets Dumber</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1244292480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every FPS can be classified as "violent" because violence happens to be the primary means of problem resolution in the game. At the same time, FPSs happen to be the genre most likely to produce a sellable engine as FPSs are the most concerned with graphics and their optimization. If we just go and ban every FPS we do shoot ourselves in the foot - we drive off Crytek, the golden boy of the German gaming industry, and we ensure that nothing like them will come again. (Granted, Crytek is rather internationalized today, likely because we already had this bullshit before.)<br>
<br>
Meanwhile, we also hurt other economies because gamers are as likely to stop playing FPSs as Wolfgang Sch&#228;uble is to respect the citizens' right to privacy. We'd just replace 100\% of the legitimate sales with filesharing downloads <em>and</em> make the games that much more appealing to impressionable teenagers. Cue the USA getting mad at Germany for not stopping the rampant piracy and Germany being confused over where it suddenly came from.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every FPS can be classified as " violent " because violence happens to be the primary means of problem resolution in the game .
At the same time , FPSs happen to be the genre most likely to produce a sellable engine as FPSs are the most concerned with graphics and their optimization .
If we just go and ban every FPS we do shoot ourselves in the foot - we drive off Crytek , the golden boy of the German gaming industry , and we ensure that nothing like them will come again .
( Granted , Crytek is rather internationalized today , likely because we already had this bullshit before .
) Meanwhile , we also hurt other economies because gamers are as likely to stop playing FPSs as Wolfgang Sch   uble is to respect the citizens ' right to privacy .
We 'd just replace 100 \ % of the legitimate sales with filesharing downloads and make the games that much more appealing to impressionable teenagers .
Cue the USA getting mad at Germany for not stopping the rampant piracy and Germany being confused over where it suddenly came from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every FPS can be classified as "violent" because violence happens to be the primary means of problem resolution in the game.
At the same time, FPSs happen to be the genre most likely to produce a sellable engine as FPSs are the most concerned with graphics and their optimization.
If we just go and ban every FPS we do shoot ourselves in the foot - we drive off Crytek, the golden boy of the German gaming industry, and we ensure that nothing like them will come again.
(Granted, Crytek is rather internationalized today, likely because we already had this bullshit before.
)

Meanwhile, we also hurt other economies because gamers are as likely to stop playing FPSs as Wolfgang Schäuble is to respect the citizens' right to privacy.
We'd just replace 100\% of the legitimate sales with filesharing downloads and make the games that much more appealing to impressionable teenagers.
Cue the USA getting mad at Germany for not stopping the rampant piracy and Germany being confused over where it suddenly came from.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230929</id>
	<title>Re:First Post</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1244321880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><i>If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I wouldn't base my case on freedom of privacy. I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.</i></p><p>If your legal rights to privacy had been violated, I would expect your lawyer to use this to try to prevent evidence resulting from those violations being used against you.  This is standard legal practice, and is the basic reason why such things as the necessity for search warrants actually work.</p><p><i>Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhem but should be protected anyway. They aren't dangerous. They don't pose a public threat and they shouldn't even be charged as such let alone 'allowed' to exist in spite of these accusations.</i></p><p>Which is an important point, because freedom of speech doesn't trump public safety.  Basically, at least here in the EU, legislators are permitted to make exceptions to free speech as long as there are clear public interest grounds in doing so ("necessary in a democratic society [...] for the protection of public safety" being I think the phrasing involved here).  So, yes, free speech isn't an automatic win in this case: we need to show, conclusively, that there isn't a (serious) public safety issue here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I would n't base my case on freedom of privacy .
I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.If your legal rights to privacy had been violated , I would expect your lawyer to use this to try to prevent evidence resulting from those violations being used against you .
This is standard legal practice , and is the basic reason why such things as the necessity for search warrants actually work.Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhem but should be protected anyway .
They are n't dangerous .
They do n't pose a public threat and they should n't even be charged as such let alone 'allowed ' to exist in spite of these accusations.Which is an important point , because freedom of speech does n't trump public safety .
Basically , at least here in the EU , legislators are permitted to make exceptions to free speech as long as there are clear public interest grounds in doing so ( " necessary in a democratic society [ ... ] for the protection of public safety " being I think the phrasing involved here ) .
So , yes , free speech is n't an automatic win in this case : we need to show , conclusively , that there is n't a ( serious ) public safety issue here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I wouldn't base my case on freedom of privacy.
I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.If your legal rights to privacy had been violated, I would expect your lawyer to use this to try to prevent evidence resulting from those violations being used against you.
This is standard legal practice, and is the basic reason why such things as the necessity for search warrants actually work.Fighting these sorts of things largely on free speech seems to imply that that video games are actually responsible for some sort of mayhem but should be protected anyway.
They aren't dangerous.
They don't pose a public threat and they shouldn't even be charged as such let alone 'allowed' to exist in spite of these accusations.Which is an important point, because freedom of speech doesn't trump public safety.
Basically, at least here in the EU, legislators are permitted to make exceptions to free speech as long as there are clear public interest grounds in doing so ("necessary in a democratic society [...] for the protection of public safety" being I think the phrasing involved here).
So, yes, free speech isn't an automatic win in this case: we need to show, conclusively, that there isn't a (serious) public safety issue here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230709</id>
	<title>Re:People don't want to believe in bad people</title>
	<author>KDR\_11k</author>
	<datestamp>1244231820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kinda like how people won't accept that some children are just born stupid and it's not the fault of the teachers that they can't grasp basic arithmetic. Politicians seem to believe that stupid children are solely the fault of the educational system. They're not, not everybody is born equally capable. Some are just plain dumb and won't learn not to shit in their pants until fifth grade (these days it's apparently considered a sign of high intelligence when a child learned that before entering kindergarten, a decade ago it was seen as mandatory). I regularly hear work stories from a person who works in a kindergarten and the amount of stupidity is seriously increasing.</p><p>Though I wouldn't say the shooters were born rotten, they often grew up in an environment where everybody hates or abuses them which obviously is going to build up pressure and hatred within them. Of course dealing with the real problem is too hard for politicians so they'd ratherban something at random (and then act surprised when the next shooting rampage happens).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kinda like how people wo n't accept that some children are just born stupid and it 's not the fault of the teachers that they ca n't grasp basic arithmetic .
Politicians seem to believe that stupid children are solely the fault of the educational system .
They 're not , not everybody is born equally capable .
Some are just plain dumb and wo n't learn not to shit in their pants until fifth grade ( these days it 's apparently considered a sign of high intelligence when a child learned that before entering kindergarten , a decade ago it was seen as mandatory ) .
I regularly hear work stories from a person who works in a kindergarten and the amount of stupidity is seriously increasing.Though I would n't say the shooters were born rotten , they often grew up in an environment where everybody hates or abuses them which obviously is going to build up pressure and hatred within them .
Of course dealing with the real problem is too hard for politicians so they 'd ratherban something at random ( and then act surprised when the next shooting rampage happens ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kinda like how people won't accept that some children are just born stupid and it's not the fault of the teachers that they can't grasp basic arithmetic.
Politicians seem to believe that stupid children are solely the fault of the educational system.
They're not, not everybody is born equally capable.
Some are just plain dumb and won't learn not to shit in their pants until fifth grade (these days it's apparently considered a sign of high intelligence when a child learned that before entering kindergarten, a decade ago it was seen as mandatory).
I regularly hear work stories from a person who works in a kindergarten and the amount of stupidity is seriously increasing.Though I wouldn't say the shooters were born rotten, they often grew up in an environment where everybody hates or abuses them which obviously is going to build up pressure and hatred within them.
Of course dealing with the real problem is too hard for politicians so they'd ratherban something at random (and then act surprised when the next shooting rampage happens).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28250923</id>
	<title>It's a damn shame</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244475480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anything to get voted into office. We tried it here. The best we got was stickers to say this game has life like violence. Why dont we take care of the root cause of the issue. Parenting. If we try being a parent sometimes instead of plopping our kids infront of the TV and game systems all day this type of crap would not happen. I have a 6yr old son and he only watches maybe 10hours of tv a week (including sat and sun) He playes video games even less. I make him go outside and play with friends (real flesh and blood people) I disapline him. (We all know this is severly lacking here in america) He knows right from wrong and he accepts responsabilty for his own actions. This is a ploy by the politicians to get and stay in office. If they do ban these games what are they going to do when that does not work. What or who are they going to blame next.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anything to get voted into office .
We tried it here .
The best we got was stickers to say this game has life like violence .
Why dont we take care of the root cause of the issue .
Parenting. If we try being a parent sometimes instead of plopping our kids infront of the TV and game systems all day this type of crap would not happen .
I have a 6yr old son and he only watches maybe 10hours of tv a week ( including sat and sun ) He playes video games even less .
I make him go outside and play with friends ( real flesh and blood people ) I disapline him .
( We all know this is severly lacking here in america ) He knows right from wrong and he accepts responsabilty for his own actions .
This is a ploy by the politicians to get and stay in office .
If they do ban these games what are they going to do when that does not work .
What or who are they going to blame next .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anything to get voted into office.
We tried it here.
The best we got was stickers to say this game has life like violence.
Why dont we take care of the root cause of the issue.
Parenting. If we try being a parent sometimes instead of plopping our kids infront of the TV and game systems all day this type of crap would not happen.
I have a 6yr old son and he only watches maybe 10hours of tv a week (including sat and sun) He playes video games even less.
I make him go outside and play with friends (real flesh and blood people) I disapline him.
(We all know this is severly lacking here in america) He knows right from wrong and he accepts responsabilty for his own actions.
This is a ploy by the politicians to get and stay in office.
If they do ban these games what are they going to do when that does not work.
What or who are they going to blame next.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231709</id>
	<title>we all have a problem with democracy</title>
	<author>blackest\_k</author>
	<datestamp>1244291640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>yours is quite a good post but it kind of sets Germans apart from other nationalities and I don't think this is a distinction that can be made.</p><p>Germans are not really in a class of their own, abuse of power isn't unusual and particularly in hard economic times protectionism tends to become more open. Where ever you live buy --- (insert your country name here) and protect our jobs become a common rallying cry.</p><p>Theres no real difference between people fundamentally we all have the people we care about, some we don't much care for, all of us have some national pride. Once it gets to people outside of our national group we suddenly pretend that "other nation" is different and we have the right to treat them differently to our own kind.</p><p>We are all one kind human, mankind and fundamentally we want the same things. Politics sets us against each other and its a farce because all we really want is a safe comfortable environment to raise our families and what we get are stupid groupings of special interest groups , align with us and we will see you right unfortunately the reality is the politicians only take care of their own and damn the rest of us.</p><p>It's pretty much evident that most people can not see enough difference between the parties to even bother to cast a vote.</p><p>People are just people when it comes down to it, just when our leaders do evil things we justify it in the name of national interest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yours is quite a good post but it kind of sets Germans apart from other nationalities and I do n't think this is a distinction that can be made.Germans are not really in a class of their own , abuse of power is n't unusual and particularly in hard economic times protectionism tends to become more open .
Where ever you live buy --- ( insert your country name here ) and protect our jobs become a common rallying cry.Theres no real difference between people fundamentally we all have the people we care about , some we do n't much care for , all of us have some national pride .
Once it gets to people outside of our national group we suddenly pretend that " other nation " is different and we have the right to treat them differently to our own kind.We are all one kind human , mankind and fundamentally we want the same things .
Politics sets us against each other and its a farce because all we really want is a safe comfortable environment to raise our families and what we get are stupid groupings of special interest groups , align with us and we will see you right unfortunately the reality is the politicians only take care of their own and damn the rest of us.It 's pretty much evident that most people can not see enough difference between the parties to even bother to cast a vote.People are just people when it comes down to it , just when our leaders do evil things we justify it in the name of national interest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yours is quite a good post but it kind of sets Germans apart from other nationalities and I don't think this is a distinction that can be made.Germans are not really in a class of their own, abuse of power isn't unusual and particularly in hard economic times protectionism tends to become more open.
Where ever you live buy --- (insert your country name here) and protect our jobs become a common rallying cry.Theres no real difference between people fundamentally we all have the people we care about, some we don't much care for, all of us have some national pride.
Once it gets to people outside of our national group we suddenly pretend that "other nation" is different and we have the right to treat them differently to our own kind.We are all one kind human, mankind and fundamentally we want the same things.
Politics sets us against each other and its a farce because all we really want is a safe comfortable environment to raise our families and what we get are stupid groupings of special interest groups , align with us and we will see you right unfortunately the reality is the politicians only take care of their own and damn the rest of us.It's pretty much evident that most people can not see enough difference between the parties to even bother to cast a vote.People are just people when it comes down to it, just when our leaders do evil things we justify it in the name of national interest.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230281</id>
	<title>fine ban them...</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1244225160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>... BUT the if there is another shooting, they have remburse the video game industry for lost sales and revoke the law. after all you can' throw down that video games cause shootings and claim otherwise when another one happens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... BUT the if there is another shooting , they have remburse the video game industry for lost sales and revoke the law .
after all you can ' throw down that video games cause shootings and claim otherwise when another one happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... BUT the if there is another shooting, they have remburse the video game industry for lost sales and revoke the law.
after all you can' throw down that video games cause shootings and claim otherwise when another one happens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231443</id>
	<title>some explanations for non-germans</title>
	<author>marksu</author>
	<datestamp>1244286840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The 16 Interior Ministers are ministers of the 16 states. There is a seperate minister of the interior for germany. The states ministers control the police of their state. They have no legislative power. In theory they can ask the Bundestag as much as I can although they obviously make a bigger fuss...<br>This year is a year with a lot of elections in different states, european and communal votes (all on different dates). That makes idiotic statements by politicians more likely.<br>Also Spiegel Online noticed that there is a generation gap between those who 'understand' the internet/games and those who don't. As this gap is roughly at the age of 35-40 most of the people in the power are in the 'don't' category. But recently there has sprung up a movement to give those who do a public voice. An online petition to the Bundestag against censorship has recently gained over 100000 supporters.<br>And lastly theres very often that 'free speech' argument. Different to the USA free speech is not the number one in our constitution (Grundgesetz in Germany) - it is the dignity of the person. IMHO neither option is better than the other but it makes public discussions work different here than in the USA. You can't use the free speech thing as an argument against 'killer games' here - 'think of the children' comes first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 16 Interior Ministers are ministers of the 16 states .
There is a seperate minister of the interior for germany .
The states ministers control the police of their state .
They have no legislative power .
In theory they can ask the Bundestag as much as I can although they obviously make a bigger fuss...This year is a year with a lot of elections in different states , european and communal votes ( all on different dates ) .
That makes idiotic statements by politicians more likely.Also Spiegel Online noticed that there is a generation gap between those who 'understand ' the internet/games and those who do n't .
As this gap is roughly at the age of 35-40 most of the people in the power are in the 'do n't ' category .
But recently there has sprung up a movement to give those who do a public voice .
An online petition to the Bundestag against censorship has recently gained over 100000 supporters.And lastly theres very often that 'free speech ' argument .
Different to the USA free speech is not the number one in our constitution ( Grundgesetz in Germany ) - it is the dignity of the person .
IMHO neither option is better than the other but it makes public discussions work different here than in the USA .
You ca n't use the free speech thing as an argument against 'killer games ' here - 'think of the children ' comes first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 16 Interior Ministers are ministers of the 16 states.
There is a seperate minister of the interior for germany.
The states ministers control the police of their state.
They have no legislative power.
In theory they can ask the Bundestag as much as I can although they obviously make a bigger fuss...This year is a year with a lot of elections in different states, european and communal votes (all on different dates).
That makes idiotic statements by politicians more likely.Also Spiegel Online noticed that there is a generation gap between those who 'understand' the internet/games and those who don't.
As this gap is roughly at the age of 35-40 most of the people in the power are in the 'don't' category.
But recently there has sprung up a movement to give those who do a public voice.
An online petition to the Bundestag against censorship has recently gained over 100000 supporters.And lastly theres very often that 'free speech' argument.
Different to the USA free speech is not the number one in our constitution (Grundgesetz in Germany) - it is the dignity of the person.
IMHO neither option is better than the other but it makes public discussions work different here than in the USA.
You can't use the free speech thing as an argument against 'killer games' here - 'think of the children' comes first.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230011</id>
	<title>NOOOOO!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244221560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>If this keeps Crytek from making games it has become the worst kind of tragedy. <br>
The kind that affects me!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this keeps Crytek from making games it has become the worst kind of tragedy .
The kind that affects me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this keeps Crytek from making games it has become the worst kind of tragedy.
The kind that affects me!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28233085</id>
	<title>Re:Germany has a problem with democracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244304240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; German law is full of such bizarre restrictions on freedom.</p><p>That's a bit much exaggerated... Free speech in germany, which you take as an example, may not have the outstandig status as it has in the USA, but it also has a firm constitutional status. The german constitution court has a long tradition of deciding in favour of these constitutional rights and against legislative ambitions of constraints.</p><p>You are right, that (at least since the september of 2001 if not earlier) the legislative and executive powers in germany try to establish more and more "security" laws. They are following a law&amp;order policy, want a powerful state and obviously feel the need of a reaction to every singular event of a security threat, like the amok run in Winnenden, which is the cause of the mentioned request to ban violent games. Of course this is reactionary and the results therefore inconsistent and mostly wrong.</p><p>You are also right, that too many germans don't care what their gouvernment does, yet. But if you look at younger people, especially those, that can handle computers and care about politics, then you'll find a growing number, that are absolutely not agreeing with these direction of politics. Only look at the e-petition against the plans of DNS based blocking against child pornography (instead of enforcing to extinguish the sources of it), where over 100,000 dared to give their name and subscription against an improper mechanism, that would establish a censoring infrastructure. They did this, although they were at the same time arousing suspicion to be supporters of child pornography.</p><p>In my opinion, this initiative to ban violent games is just one fold of an upcoming conflict of generations, with the yet leading and ages ones on the one side, and the not yet old enough on the other side. It also is a democracy problem in so far, as it is made by democratic legitimated men. But I am sure, that it will also be solved in the next maybe ten years. The idea of free speech is very well alive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; German law is full of such bizarre restrictions on freedom.That 's a bit much exaggerated... Free speech in germany , which you take as an example , may not have the outstandig status as it has in the USA , but it also has a firm constitutional status .
The german constitution court has a long tradition of deciding in favour of these constitutional rights and against legislative ambitions of constraints.You are right , that ( at least since the september of 2001 if not earlier ) the legislative and executive powers in germany try to establish more and more " security " laws .
They are following a law&amp;order policy , want a powerful state and obviously feel the need of a reaction to every singular event of a security threat , like the amok run in Winnenden , which is the cause of the mentioned request to ban violent games .
Of course this is reactionary and the results therefore inconsistent and mostly wrong.You are also right , that too many germans do n't care what their gouvernment does , yet .
But if you look at younger people , especially those , that can handle computers and care about politics , then you 'll find a growing number , that are absolutely not agreeing with these direction of politics .
Only look at the e-petition against the plans of DNS based blocking against child pornography ( instead of enforcing to extinguish the sources of it ) , where over 100,000 dared to give their name and subscription against an improper mechanism , that would establish a censoring infrastructure .
They did this , although they were at the same time arousing suspicion to be supporters of child pornography.In my opinion , this initiative to ban violent games is just one fold of an upcoming conflict of generations , with the yet leading and ages ones on the one side , and the not yet old enough on the other side .
It also is a democracy problem in so far , as it is made by democratic legitimated men .
But I am sure , that it will also be solved in the next maybe ten years .
The idea of free speech is very well alive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; German law is full of such bizarre restrictions on freedom.That's a bit much exaggerated... Free speech in germany, which you take as an example, may not have the outstandig status as it has in the USA, but it also has a firm constitutional status.
The german constitution court has a long tradition of deciding in favour of these constitutional rights and against legislative ambitions of constraints.You are right, that (at least since the september of 2001 if not earlier) the legislative and executive powers in germany try to establish more and more "security" laws.
They are following a law&amp;order policy, want a powerful state and obviously feel the need of a reaction to every singular event of a security threat, like the amok run in Winnenden, which is the cause of the mentioned request to ban violent games.
Of course this is reactionary and the results therefore inconsistent and mostly wrong.You are also right, that too many germans don't care what their gouvernment does, yet.
But if you look at younger people, especially those, that can handle computers and care about politics, then you'll find a growing number, that are absolutely not agreeing with these direction of politics.
Only look at the e-petition against the plans of DNS based blocking against child pornography (instead of enforcing to extinguish the sources of it), where over 100,000 dared to give their name and subscription against an improper mechanism, that would establish a censoring infrastructure.
They did this, although they were at the same time arousing suspicion to be supporters of child pornography.In my opinion, this initiative to ban violent games is just one fold of an upcoming conflict of generations, with the yet leading and ages ones on the one side, and the not yet old enough on the other side.
It also is a democracy problem in so far, as it is made by democratic legitimated men.
But I am sure, that it will also be solved in the next maybe ten years.
The idea of free speech is very well alive.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231223</id>
	<title>I'd like to point out...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244283000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... that the interior ministers conference rather base this ban on their personal opinion rather than any evidence, oh and these guys have strong ties with the German equivalent of the National Rifle Association, who trained all the guys who later went postal.</p><p>But what do you expect: the first censorship bill (internet DNS) is as good as passed so here comes the next (video games).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... that the interior ministers conference rather base this ban on their personal opinion rather than any evidence , oh and these guys have strong ties with the German equivalent of the National Rifle Association , who trained all the guys who later went postal.But what do you expect : the first censorship bill ( internet DNS ) is as good as passed so here comes the next ( video games ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... that the interior ministers conference rather base this ban on their personal opinion rather than any evidence, oh and these guys have strong ties with the German equivalent of the National Rifle Association, who trained all the guys who later went postal.But what do you expect: the first censorship bill (internet DNS) is as good as passed so here comes the next (video games).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231187</id>
	<title>Re:People don't want to believe in bad people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244282400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno what happy special world you think you live in...  but here in the world most of us see.   There are some people who are just assholes, jerks, evil, messed up, and dangerous...  And video games didnt do it.  Since these people have been around far longer than even electricity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno what happy special world you think you live in... but here in the world most of us see .
There are some people who are just assholes , jerks , evil , messed up , and dangerous... And video games didnt do it .
Since these people have been around far longer than even electricity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno what happy special world you think you live in...  but here in the world most of us see.
There are some people who are just assholes, jerks, evil, messed up, and dangerous...  And video games didnt do it.
Since these people have been around far longer than even electricity.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230447</id>
	<title>Re:People don't want to believe in bad people</title>
	<author>SquirrelsUnite</author>
	<datestamp>1244227500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>More like people don't want to believe in complex problems that require a lot of attention and might not be possible to solve completely. They want simple solutions like banning violent games or installing metal detectors in schools.<br> <br>
As for lead poisoning or head injuries being a major cause: that's a pretty weird guess. How about constant bullying combined by a (possibly in part genetic) antisocial personality and a tendency towards revenge. With some neglect from their environment these kids might not have the coping mechanisms some others do and violent games show an example for how to handle these situations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>More like people do n't want to believe in complex problems that require a lot of attention and might not be possible to solve completely .
They want simple solutions like banning violent games or installing metal detectors in schools .
As for lead poisoning or head injuries being a major cause : that 's a pretty weird guess .
How about constant bullying combined by a ( possibly in part genetic ) antisocial personality and a tendency towards revenge .
With some neglect from their environment these kids might not have the coping mechanisms some others do and violent games show an example for how to handle these situations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like people don't want to believe in complex problems that require a lot of attention and might not be possible to solve completely.
They want simple solutions like banning violent games or installing metal detectors in schools.
As for lead poisoning or head injuries being a major cause: that's a pretty weird guess.
How about constant bullying combined by a (possibly in part genetic) antisocial personality and a tendency towards revenge.
With some neglect from their environment these kids might not have the coping mechanisms some others do and violent games show an example for how to handle these situations.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230161</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231555</id>
	<title>Ulterior motives</title>
	<author>kylerowens</author>
	<datestamp>1244289000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is just their way of getting Uwe Boll to stop making movies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is just their way of getting Uwe Boll to stop making movies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just their way of getting Uwe Boll to stop making movies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230545</id>
	<title>Re:First Post</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244229420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I wouldn't base my case on freedom of privacy. I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.</p></div><p>You have it backwards. It would not be your responsibility to disprove anything. It would be the accuser's full burden to PROVE that you have murdered. Unless they can, then you shouldn't have to lift a finger or be inconvenienced by it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I would n't base my case on freedom of privacy .
I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.You have it backwards .
It would not be your responsibility to disprove anything .
It would be the accuser 's full burden to PROVE that you have murdered .
Unless they can , then you should n't have to lift a finger or be inconvenienced by it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone came up to me and accused me of murder I wouldn't base my case on freedom of privacy.
I would hope my lawyer could simply disprove the actual charges against me.You have it backwards.
It would not be your responsibility to disprove anything.
It would be the accuser's full burden to PROVE that you have murdered.
Unless they can, then you shouldn't have to lift a finger or be inconvenienced by it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230179</parent>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28323809</id>
	<title>cheap wow gold</title>
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	<datestamp>1244902020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230349</id>
	<title>Every election the same farce</title>
	<author>meist3r</author>
	<datestamp>1244226000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Really, this is supposed to be the fabled "democracy" ancient greeks thought up? Oh no, wait. We've transformed that into a PR farce that every four years proves how rotten the people at the top are. Your votes don't matter. They are merely a numeral representation of how much you "don't" have to say. Lies, populism and ignorant phrase flinging wherever you look. None of this will matter AFTER the election that's why everything they tried to introduce lately was meant to be established before voters aren't important again. Look at our ministry of family and health. They neglected their resort for 3 1/2 years and all of a sudden when the election goes into the confrontation phase they start tossing around stuff like "DNS filters" and "address filtering" against alleged child pornography. All of which could be removed through application of existing laws but since they chose to balance the budget by cutting funds to investigators and connecting departments they now have to start flapping their arms REAALLY fast.<br> <br>

Politicians are lying pricks that are always a couple of decades behind when it comes to reality. Unfortunately this generalization stands to be disproven for all of the major parties in my country. They can't stop anyone from selling these games to me and if they do I'll personally book a cheap ticket to one of our less ridiculous neighboring countries. Other than that I or someone else will sue at the surpreme court that no government can tell an adult tax payer what to watch or what to play. Not unless they give up all their ludicrous make-belief jobs. This will all die down when these shit elections are finally over. Remember: Vote Pirate!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , this is supposed to be the fabled " democracy " ancient greeks thought up ?
Oh no , wait .
We 've transformed that into a PR farce that every four years proves how rotten the people at the top are .
Your votes do n't matter .
They are merely a numeral representation of how much you " do n't " have to say .
Lies , populism and ignorant phrase flinging wherever you look .
None of this will matter AFTER the election that 's why everything they tried to introduce lately was meant to be established before voters are n't important again .
Look at our ministry of family and health .
They neglected their resort for 3 1/2 years and all of a sudden when the election goes into the confrontation phase they start tossing around stuff like " DNS filters " and " address filtering " against alleged child pornography .
All of which could be removed through application of existing laws but since they chose to balance the budget by cutting funds to investigators and connecting departments they now have to start flapping their arms REAALLY fast .
Politicians are lying pricks that are always a couple of decades behind when it comes to reality .
Unfortunately this generalization stands to be disproven for all of the major parties in my country .
They ca n't stop anyone from selling these games to me and if they do I 'll personally book a cheap ticket to one of our less ridiculous neighboring countries .
Other than that I or someone else will sue at the surpreme court that no government can tell an adult tax payer what to watch or what to play .
Not unless they give up all their ludicrous make-belief jobs .
This will all die down when these shit elections are finally over .
Remember : Vote Pirate !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, this is supposed to be the fabled "democracy" ancient greeks thought up?
Oh no, wait.
We've transformed that into a PR farce that every four years proves how rotten the people at the top are.
Your votes don't matter.
They are merely a numeral representation of how much you "don't" have to say.
Lies, populism and ignorant phrase flinging wherever you look.
None of this will matter AFTER the election that's why everything they tried to introduce lately was meant to be established before voters aren't important again.
Look at our ministry of family and health.
They neglected their resort for 3 1/2 years and all of a sudden when the election goes into the confrontation phase they start tossing around stuff like "DNS filters" and "address filtering" against alleged child pornography.
All of which could be removed through application of existing laws but since they chose to balance the budget by cutting funds to investigators and connecting departments they now have to start flapping their arms REAALLY fast.
Politicians are lying pricks that are always a couple of decades behind when it comes to reality.
Unfortunately this generalization stands to be disproven for all of the major parties in my country.
They can't stop anyone from selling these games to me and if they do I'll personally book a cheap ticket to one of our less ridiculous neighboring countries.
Other than that I or someone else will sue at the surpreme court that no government can tell an adult tax payer what to watch or what to play.
Not unless they give up all their ludicrous make-belief jobs.
This will all die down when these shit elections are finally over.
Remember: Vote Pirate!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230721</id>
	<title>Re:What about a ban...</title>
	<author>Tokerat</author>
	<datestamp>1244318400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... on violent German regimes?</p></div><p>If your nation still felt like it needed to save face after one of the most psychotic and destructive people in modern times lead it via propaganda into committing the Holocaust, you might be a little uncomfortable with any media which might possibly have a negative influence on your population, no matter how slight or unproven that chance is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... on violent German regimes ? If your nation still felt like it needed to save face after one of the most psychotic and destructive people in modern times lead it via propaganda into committing the Holocaust , you might be a little uncomfortable with any media which might possibly have a negative influence on your population , no matter how slight or unproven that chance is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... on violent German regimes?If your nation still felt like it needed to save face after one of the most psychotic and destructive people in modern times lead it via propaganda into committing the Holocaust, you might be a little uncomfortable with any media which might possibly have a negative influence on your population, no matter how slight or unproven that chance is.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231663</id>
	<title>The Nazis are back in power</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244290980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Nazis are back in power except this time round they have the technology to stifle the opposition without the need for bloodshed.</p><p>Little by little, more and more is becoming illegal. What was once the realm of interpersonal relationships is slowly being taken over by the state. They will now tell you what you can say and what you cannot say, which game you can play and which you cannot. Soon they will tell you which flag you can wave and what you must think. It will be illegal to not like things which the state supports and to dislike things which the state dislikes - we're part way there already, and not only in Germany. There's not a lot I like about US politics, but one thing I do admire about the US is the freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution. Be glad you have it. It doesn't exist in Europe and I am not aware of any other country where it is protected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Nazis are back in power except this time round they have the technology to stifle the opposition without the need for bloodshed.Little by little , more and more is becoming illegal .
What was once the realm of interpersonal relationships is slowly being taken over by the state .
They will now tell you what you can say and what you can not say , which game you can play and which you can not .
Soon they will tell you which flag you can wave and what you must think .
It will be illegal to not like things which the state supports and to dislike things which the state dislikes - we 're part way there already , and not only in Germany .
There 's not a lot I like about US politics , but one thing I do admire about the US is the freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution .
Be glad you have it .
It does n't exist in Europe and I am not aware of any other country where it is protected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Nazis are back in power except this time round they have the technology to stifle the opposition without the need for bloodshed.Little by little, more and more is becoming illegal.
What was once the realm of interpersonal relationships is slowly being taken over by the state.
They will now tell you what you can say and what you cannot say, which game you can play and which you cannot.
Soon they will tell you which flag you can wave and what you must think.
It will be illegal to not like things which the state supports and to dislike things which the state dislikes - we're part way there already, and not only in Germany.
There's not a lot I like about US politics, but one thing I do admire about the US is the freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution.
Be glad you have it.
It doesn't exist in Europe and I am not aware of any other country where it is protected.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230595</id>
	<title>Re:Recession...not?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244229960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This reminds me... I read sometime ago that the porn industry in Los Angeles was suffering and was seeking a $5B bail-out from the government.  They said that they contribute billions of dollars to the economy and have a right to be saved, just like the insurance and car companies.  What happened to that?</p><p>And what about the very successful tobacco companies?  Some governments (notably the US government) are practically running them to the ground with all these smoking restrictions.  Since they contribute so much to the economy, they totally do not deserve this treatment, following that logic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me... I read sometime ago that the porn industry in Los Angeles was suffering and was seeking a $ 5B bail-out from the government .
They said that they contribute billions of dollars to the economy and have a right to be saved , just like the insurance and car companies .
What happened to that ? And what about the very successful tobacco companies ?
Some governments ( notably the US government ) are practically running them to the ground with all these smoking restrictions .
Since they contribute so much to the economy , they totally do not deserve this treatment , following that logic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me... I read sometime ago that the porn industry in Los Angeles was suffering and was seeking a $5B bail-out from the government.
They said that they contribute billions of dollars to the economy and have a right to be saved, just like the insurance and car companies.
What happened to that?And what about the very successful tobacco companies?
Some governments (notably the US government) are practically running them to the ground with all these smoking restrictions.
Since they contribute so much to the economy, they totally do not deserve this treatment, following that logic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230143</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28235809</id>
	<title>Re:First Post</title>
	<author>easyTree</author>
	<datestamp>1244321940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why not movies.</p></div></blockquote><p>I love a good conspiracy theory so...</p><p>Maybe someone with a bit of cash to throw around behind the scenes of government, perhaps someone with an investment in the movie industry isn't happy about the gradual erosion of movie-spend in favour of game-spend ?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not movies.I love a good conspiracy theory so...Maybe someone with a bit of cash to throw around behind the scenes of government , perhaps someone with an investment in the movie industry is n't happy about the gradual erosion of movie-spend in favour of game-spend ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not movies.I love a good conspiracy theory so...Maybe someone with a bit of cash to throw around behind the scenes of government, perhaps someone with an investment in the movie industry isn't happy about the gradual erosion of movie-spend in favour of game-spend ?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230609</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230339</id>
	<title>Re:People don't want to believe in bad people</title>
	<author>eiMichael</author>
	<datestamp>1244225820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right, people just come out of the womb stabbing and biting everything in sight.  Stop blaming shit on genetics just because it frees you of responsibility for your community.  Worst case they have some testosterone production issue that makes them more aggressive, but even that doesn't make them rotten.</p><p>Putting some teenager into murderer/rapist/assault prison for smoking a particular plant is rotten.  Having to leave children at home unsupervised because both parents must work just to get paid minimum wage and can't afford proper child care is rotten.  Calling other people rotten to free yourself of any responsibility for what happens on this planet is rotten.  Grow up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , people just come out of the womb stabbing and biting everything in sight .
Stop blaming shit on genetics just because it frees you of responsibility for your community .
Worst case they have some testosterone production issue that makes them more aggressive , but even that does n't make them rotten.Putting some teenager into murderer/rapist/assault prison for smoking a particular plant is rotten .
Having to leave children at home unsupervised because both parents must work just to get paid minimum wage and ca n't afford proper child care is rotten .
Calling other people rotten to free yourself of any responsibility for what happens on this planet is rotten .
Grow up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, people just come out of the womb stabbing and biting everything in sight.
Stop blaming shit on genetics just because it frees you of responsibility for your community.
Worst case they have some testosterone production issue that makes them more aggressive, but even that doesn't make them rotten.Putting some teenager into murderer/rapist/assault prison for smoking a particular plant is rotten.
Having to leave children at home unsupervised because both parents must work just to get paid minimum wage and can't afford proper child care is rotten.
Calling other people rotten to free yourself of any responsibility for what happens on this planet is rotten.
Grow up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230161</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230211</id>
	<title>The True Sad Fact of this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244224140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pretty much any game made now days could be considered violent, any game that you use a gun or weapon to attack something else. Hell even C&amp;C could and games in that area since they have you trin to destroy the enemy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty much any game made now days could be considered violent , any game that you use a gun or weapon to attack something else .
Hell even C&amp;C could and games in that area since they have you trin to destroy the enemy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty much any game made now days could be considered violent, any game that you use a gun or weapon to attack something else.
Hell even C&amp;C could and games in that area since they have you trin to destroy the enemy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231451</id>
	<title>German Slashdotters: F*cking do something!</title>
	<author>Qbertino</author>
	<datestamp>1244287020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is yet another slew of ultra-pointless pre-election gibberish. Extremely violent videogames such as Manhunt are allready factually banned for public sale and sale to minors in Germany, based on laws existing since the dawn of the republic.</p><p>The rubbish on Computers, Videogames and the Internet that the ruling class in Germany has been putting out in recent years has reached staggering heights that are compareable to the situation in the US.</p><p>I for one am going to send in my support signature for the <a href="http://piratenpartei.de/" title="piratenpartei.de">Piratenpartei</a> [piratenpartei.de] (German branch of the Pirate Party) and do an all out vote for them whenever the occasion arises. If all German INet savy people do that, we could have the 5\% hurdle for the Bundestag in no time. That'll teach them.</p><p>And if you are german, how about pitching in? Your <a href="http://ich.waehlepiraten.de/" title="waehlepiraten.de">signature</a> [waehlepiraten.de] paves the way to the Bundestag. For <i> <b>once</b> </i> get off your fat lazy unpolitical geek ass and help roll Sch&#228;uble and Zensursula straight out of office. And screw the Greens (Gr&#252;ne) on this one! Don't forget that Tritin and Fischer had a big hand in passing that Internet law a few years back ('Gesetz zum verbesserten Schutz des Urheberrechtes im Internet' aka 'German DMCA')!</p><p><b>Beweg' Deinen Arsch und tu' was!</b> (visit links above)</p><p>My 2 Euros.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is yet another slew of ultra-pointless pre-election gibberish .
Extremely violent videogames such as Manhunt are allready factually banned for public sale and sale to minors in Germany , based on laws existing since the dawn of the republic.The rubbish on Computers , Videogames and the Internet that the ruling class in Germany has been putting out in recent years has reached staggering heights that are compareable to the situation in the US.I for one am going to send in my support signature for the Piratenpartei [ piratenpartei.de ] ( German branch of the Pirate Party ) and do an all out vote for them whenever the occasion arises .
If all German INet savy people do that , we could have the 5 \ % hurdle for the Bundestag in no time .
That 'll teach them.And if you are german , how about pitching in ?
Your signature [ waehlepiraten.de ] paves the way to the Bundestag .
For once get off your fat lazy unpolitical geek ass and help roll Sch   uble and Zensursula straight out of office .
And screw the Greens ( Gr   ne ) on this one !
Do n't forget that Tritin and Fischer had a big hand in passing that Internet law a few years back ( 'Gesetz zum verbesserten Schutz des Urheberrechtes im Internet ' aka 'German DMCA ' ) ! Beweg ' Deinen Arsch und tu ' was !
( visit links above ) My 2 Euros .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is yet another slew of ultra-pointless pre-election gibberish.
Extremely violent videogames such as Manhunt are allready factually banned for public sale and sale to minors in Germany, based on laws existing since the dawn of the republic.The rubbish on Computers, Videogames and the Internet that the ruling class in Germany has been putting out in recent years has reached staggering heights that are compareable to the situation in the US.I for one am going to send in my support signature for the Piratenpartei [piratenpartei.de] (German branch of the Pirate Party) and do an all out vote for them whenever the occasion arises.
If all German INet savy people do that, we could have the 5\% hurdle for the Bundestag in no time.
That'll teach them.And if you are german, how about pitching in?
Your signature [waehlepiraten.de] paves the way to the Bundestag.
For  once  get off your fat lazy unpolitical geek ass and help roll Schäuble and Zensursula straight out of office.
And screw the Greens (Grüne) on this one!
Don't forget that Tritin and Fischer had a big hand in passing that Internet law a few years back ('Gesetz zum verbesserten Schutz des Urheberrechtes im Internet' aka 'German DMCA')!Beweg' Deinen Arsch und tu' was!
(visit links above)My 2 Euros.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230183</id>
	<title>Great Economic Move</title>
	<author>carlzum</author>
	<datestamp>1244223720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In exchange for some pre-election posturing they're willing to eliminate jobs in one of the few growing industries. Not only does it discourage today's game publishers from investing in Germany, they also lose out on the new companies that spring up around the talent they're forcing out of the country.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In exchange for some pre-election posturing they 're willing to eliminate jobs in one of the few growing industries .
Not only does it discourage today 's game publishers from investing in Germany , they also lose out on the new companies that spring up around the talent they 're forcing out of the country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In exchange for some pre-election posturing they're willing to eliminate jobs in one of the few growing industries.
Not only does it discourage today's game publishers from investing in Germany, they also lose out on the new companies that spring up around the talent they're forcing out of the country.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28233853</id>
	<title>As a protest</title>
	<author>nightfire-unique</author>
	<datestamp>1244308680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(and I'm dead serious here)</p><p>A group of people should dress up in Nazi uniforms, wearing swastikas, and start a bonfire in a safe area.  When the media arrives, they should start throwing boxes of violent PC games, literature, and movies, shouting the German equivalent of "our society will be free of the things I hate!"</p><p>It's worth getting arrested for.  This is important.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( and I 'm dead serious here ) A group of people should dress up in Nazi uniforms , wearing swastikas , and start a bonfire in a safe area .
When the media arrives , they should start throwing boxes of violent PC games , literature , and movies , shouting the German equivalent of " our society will be free of the things I hate !
" It 's worth getting arrested for .
This is important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(and I'm dead serious here)A group of people should dress up in Nazi uniforms, wearing swastikas, and start a bonfire in a safe area.
When the media arrives, they should start throwing boxes of violent PC games, literature, and movies, shouting the German equivalent of "our society will be free of the things I hate!
"It's worth getting arrested for.
This is important.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28239663</id>
	<title>TV, Video Games, Entertainment?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244405340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One nation under God has turned into<br>one nation under the influence of one drug</p><p>[chorus:]</p><p>T.V., its satellite links our United States of Unconsciousness Apathetic therapeutic and extremely addictive The methadone metronome pumping out 150 channels 24 hours a day you can flip through all of them and still there's nothing worth watching T.V. is the reason why less than 10 per cent of our Nation reads books daily Why most people think Central America means Kansas Socialism means unamerican and Apartheid is a new headache remedy absorbed in it's world it's so hard to find us It shapes our mind the most maybe the mother of our Nation should remind us that we're sitting too close to...</p><p>[Chorus:]</p><p>T.V. is the stomping ground for political candidates Where bears in the woods are chased by Grecian Formula'd bald eagles T.V. is mechanized politic's remote control over the masses co-sponsored by environmentally safe gases watch for the PBS special It's the perpetuation of the two party system where image takes precedence over wisdom Where sound bite politics are served to the fastfood culture Where straight teeth in your mouth are more important than the words<br>that come out of it Race baiting is the way to get selected Willie Horton or Will he not get elected on...</p><p>[Chorus:]</p><p>T.V., is it the reflector or the director? Does it imitate us or do we imitate it? Because a child watches 1500 murders before he's twelve years old and we wonder why we've created a Jason generation that learns to laugh rather than to abhor the horror T.V. is the place where armchair generals and quarterbacks can experience first hand the excitement of warfare as the theme song is sung in the background. Sugar sweet sitcoms that leave us with a bad actor taste while pop stars metamorphosize into soda pop stars, You saw the video, You heard the soundtrack, Well now go buy the soft drink. Well, the onla cola that I support would be a union C.O.L.A.(Cost Of Living Allowance) On television</p><p>[Chorus:]<br>Back again, 'New and improved' We return to our irregularly programmed schedule hidden cleverly between heavy breasted beer and car commercials<br>CNNESPNABCTNT but mostly B.S. Where oxymoronic language like 'virtually spotless', 'fresh frozen'<br>'light yet filling' and 'military intelligence' have become standard T.V. is the place where phrases are redefined like 'recession' to 'necessary downturn' 'Crude oil' on a beach to 'mousse' 'Civilian death' to 'collateral damages' and being killed by your own Army is now called 'friendly fire' T.V. is the place where the pursuit of happiness has become the pursuit of<br>trivia Where toothpaste and cars have become<br>sex objects Where imagination is sucked out of children by a cathode ray nipple T.V. is the only wet nurse that would create a cripple</p><p>[Chorus:]<br>Television, the drug of the Nation, Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One nation under God has turned intoone nation under the influence of one drug [ chorus : ] T.V. , its satellite links our United States of Unconsciousness Apathetic therapeutic and extremely addictive The methadone metronome pumping out 150 channels 24 hours a day you can flip through all of them and still there 's nothing worth watching T.V .
is the reason why less than 10 per cent of our Nation reads books daily Why most people think Central America means Kansas Socialism means unamerican and Apartheid is a new headache remedy absorbed in it 's world it 's so hard to find us It shapes our mind the most maybe the mother of our Nation should remind us that we 're sitting too close to... [ Chorus : ] T.V .
is the stomping ground for political candidates Where bears in the woods are chased by Grecian Formula 'd bald eagles T.V .
is mechanized politic 's remote control over the masses co-sponsored by environmentally safe gases watch for the PBS special It 's the perpetuation of the two party system where image takes precedence over wisdom Where sound bite politics are served to the fastfood culture Where straight teeth in your mouth are more important than the wordsthat come out of it Race baiting is the way to get selected Willie Horton or Will he not get elected on... [ Chorus : ] T.V. , is it the reflector or the director ?
Does it imitate us or do we imitate it ?
Because a child watches 1500 murders before he 's twelve years old and we wonder why we 've created a Jason generation that learns to laugh rather than to abhor the horror T.V .
is the place where armchair generals and quarterbacks can experience first hand the excitement of warfare as the theme song is sung in the background .
Sugar sweet sitcoms that leave us with a bad actor taste while pop stars metamorphosize into soda pop stars , You saw the video , You heard the soundtrack , Well now go buy the soft drink .
Well , the onla cola that I support would be a union C.O.L.A .
( Cost Of Living Allowance ) On television [ Chorus : ] Back again , 'New and improved ' We return to our irregularly programmed schedule hidden cleverly between heavy breasted beer and car commercialsCNNESPNABCTNT but mostly B.S .
Where oxymoronic language like 'virtually spotless ' , 'fresh frozen''light yet filling ' and 'military intelligence ' have become standard T.V .
is the place where phrases are redefined like 'recession ' to 'necessary downturn ' 'Crude oil ' on a beach to 'mousse ' 'Civilian death ' to 'collateral damages ' and being killed by your own Army is now called 'friendly fire ' T.V .
is the place where the pursuit of happiness has become the pursuit oftrivia Where toothpaste and cars have becomesex objects Where imagination is sucked out of children by a cathode ray nipple T.V .
is the only wet nurse that would create a cripple [ Chorus : ] Television , the drug of the Nation , Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One nation under God has turned intoone nation under the influence of one drug[chorus:]T.V., its satellite links our United States of Unconsciousness Apathetic therapeutic and extremely addictive The methadone metronome pumping out 150 channels 24 hours a day you can flip through all of them and still there's nothing worth watching T.V.
is the reason why less than 10 per cent of our Nation reads books daily Why most people think Central America means Kansas Socialism means unamerican and Apartheid is a new headache remedy absorbed in it's world it's so hard to find us It shapes our mind the most maybe the mother of our Nation should remind us that we're sitting too close to...[Chorus:]T.V.
is the stomping ground for political candidates Where bears in the woods are chased by Grecian Formula'd bald eagles T.V.
is mechanized politic's remote control over the masses co-sponsored by environmentally safe gases watch for the PBS special It's the perpetuation of the two party system where image takes precedence over wisdom Where sound bite politics are served to the fastfood culture Where straight teeth in your mouth are more important than the wordsthat come out of it Race baiting is the way to get selected Willie Horton or Will he not get elected on...[Chorus:]T.V., is it the reflector or the director?
Does it imitate us or do we imitate it?
Because a child watches 1500 murders before he's twelve years old and we wonder why we've created a Jason generation that learns to laugh rather than to abhor the horror T.V.
is the place where armchair generals and quarterbacks can experience first hand the excitement of warfare as the theme song is sung in the background.
Sugar sweet sitcoms that leave us with a bad actor taste while pop stars metamorphosize into soda pop stars, You saw the video, You heard the soundtrack, Well now go buy the soft drink.
Well, the onla cola that I support would be a union C.O.L.A.
(Cost Of Living Allowance) On television[Chorus:]Back again, 'New and improved' We return to our irregularly programmed schedule hidden cleverly between heavy breasted beer and car commercialsCNNESPNABCTNT but mostly B.S.
Where oxymoronic language like 'virtually spotless', 'fresh frozen''light yet filling' and 'military intelligence' have become standard T.V.
is the place where phrases are redefined like 'recession' to 'necessary downturn' 'Crude oil' on a beach to 'mousse' 'Civilian death' to 'collateral damages' and being killed by your own Army is now called 'friendly fire' T.V.
is the place where the pursuit of happiness has become the pursuit oftrivia Where toothpaste and cars have becomesex objects Where imagination is sucked out of children by a cathode ray nipple T.V.
is the only wet nurse that would create a cripple[Chorus:]Television, the drug of the Nation, Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231391</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's law...</title>
	<author>TheTurtlesMoves</author>
	<datestamp>1244285940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Godwin's law is inapplicable when we discuss the *German* government. Its right there in the subclauses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Godwin 's law is inapplicable when we discuss the * German * government .
Its right there in the subclauses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Godwin's law is inapplicable when we discuss the *German* government.
Its right there in the subclauses.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230125</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230819</id>
	<title>Germany has a problem with democracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244319900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>German law is full of such bizarre restrictions on freedom.</p><p>For example, in addition to the usual laws against slander and libel (which have some justification), Germany has laws and penalties for insulting someone, even in private and even if you don't state anything factually wrong.</p><p>Germany also has laws against any speech which might "disturb the public peace" or offend.  What's the point of having free speech if you can't offend anybody?  Didn't opposition to the monarchy or Hitler offend someone?  Didn't Luther's 100 theses nailed to the Catholic church door offend the church?</p><p>There is essentially no anonymous speech, since all communications ports need to be registered and all electronic communications are tracked and logged.  Registration, tracking, and surveillance of citizens in Germany seems to be so widespread that people don't even care anymore and just think it's the same way everywhere.  People have the attitude that "as long as the government does it, it's OK, at least we aren't like the US, where Google tracks everybody", which is a bizarre view given Germany's history.</p><p>And it's not just the government that does it: some of Germany's biggest corporations have been illegally listening in on employees and customers and even forged communications.</p><p>It has to be said that Germany's government currently appears to be using its powers for benign purposes: policing, anti-terrorism, etc.   But if parts of the government were abusing those powers, say to blackmail political opponents, who would know?  And you only need to look at the 1930's to see how a progressive and liberal German government can turn into a genocidal regime bent on world conquest.</p><p>Somehow, the idea of "free speech" seems to have gotten lost in the translation after the Western allies laid the foundations for German democracy after WWII.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>German law is full of such bizarre restrictions on freedom.For example , in addition to the usual laws against slander and libel ( which have some justification ) , Germany has laws and penalties for insulting someone , even in private and even if you do n't state anything factually wrong.Germany also has laws against any speech which might " disturb the public peace " or offend .
What 's the point of having free speech if you ca n't offend anybody ?
Did n't opposition to the monarchy or Hitler offend someone ?
Did n't Luther 's 100 theses nailed to the Catholic church door offend the church ? There is essentially no anonymous speech , since all communications ports need to be registered and all electronic communications are tracked and logged .
Registration , tracking , and surveillance of citizens in Germany seems to be so widespread that people do n't even care anymore and just think it 's the same way everywhere .
People have the attitude that " as long as the government does it , it 's OK , at least we are n't like the US , where Google tracks everybody " , which is a bizarre view given Germany 's history.And it 's not just the government that does it : some of Germany 's biggest corporations have been illegally listening in on employees and customers and even forged communications.It has to be said that Germany 's government currently appears to be using its powers for benign purposes : policing , anti-terrorism , etc .
But if parts of the government were abusing those powers , say to blackmail political opponents , who would know ?
And you only need to look at the 1930 's to see how a progressive and liberal German government can turn into a genocidal regime bent on world conquest.Somehow , the idea of " free speech " seems to have gotten lost in the translation after the Western allies laid the foundations for German democracy after WWII .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>German law is full of such bizarre restrictions on freedom.For example, in addition to the usual laws against slander and libel (which have some justification), Germany has laws and penalties for insulting someone, even in private and even if you don't state anything factually wrong.Germany also has laws against any speech which might "disturb the public peace" or offend.
What's the point of having free speech if you can't offend anybody?
Didn't opposition to the monarchy or Hitler offend someone?
Didn't Luther's 100 theses nailed to the Catholic church door offend the church?There is essentially no anonymous speech, since all communications ports need to be registered and all electronic communications are tracked and logged.
Registration, tracking, and surveillance of citizens in Germany seems to be so widespread that people don't even care anymore and just think it's the same way everywhere.
People have the attitude that "as long as the government does it, it's OK, at least we aren't like the US, where Google tracks everybody", which is a bizarre view given Germany's history.And it's not just the government that does it: some of Germany's biggest corporations have been illegally listening in on employees and customers and even forged communications.It has to be said that Germany's government currently appears to be using its powers for benign purposes: policing, anti-terrorism, etc.
But if parts of the government were abusing those powers, say to blackmail political opponents, who would know?
And you only need to look at the 1930's to see how a progressive and liberal German government can turn into a genocidal regime bent on world conquest.Somehow, the idea of "free speech" seems to have gotten lost in the translation after the Western allies laid the foundations for German democracy after WWII.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230247</id>
	<title>Then make government free</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244224860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>as in freedom: <a href="http://metagovernment.org/" title="metagovernment.org" rel="nofollow">http://metagovernment.org/</a> [metagovernment.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>as in freedom : http : //metagovernment.org/ [ metagovernment.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as in freedom: http://metagovernment.org/ [metagovernment.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28229993</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230955</id>
	<title>Re:People don't want to believe in bad people</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1244279100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. When I read the proposal to do so, I wanted to kill these banded group. I thought they were bandits for doing so and should be shot. So proposing these bans is clearly dangerous, so they should ban the banded bandits to do the banning.</p><p>(And I must be shot for one of the worst puns in history)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
When I read the proposal to do so , I wanted to kill these banded group .
I thought they were bandits for doing so and should be shot .
So proposing these bans is clearly dangerous , so they should ban the banded bandits to do the banning .
( And I must be shot for one of the worst puns in history )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
When I read the proposal to do so, I wanted to kill these banded group.
I thought they were bandits for doing so and should be shot.
So proposing these bans is clearly dangerous, so they should ban the banded bandits to do the banning.
(And I must be shot for one of the worst puns in history)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230161</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28229993</id>
	<title>First Post</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244221320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>And first to say, the government hatred on freedom of any type has gone too far, and this is a perfect example.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And first to say , the government hatred on freedom of any type has gone too far , and this is a perfect example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And first to say, the government hatred on freedom of any type has gone too far, and this is a perfect example.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231235</id>
	<title>Re:Germany has a problem with democracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244283180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>AFAIK "to offend" means "to annoy" and "to insult". So this is just a bad translation. Criticism isn't forbidden, but insults and hate speech are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>AFAIK " to offend " means " to annoy " and " to insult " .
So this is just a bad translation .
Criticism is n't forbidden , but insults and hate speech are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AFAIK "to offend" means "to annoy" and "to insult".
So this is just a bad translation.
Criticism isn't forbidden, but insults and hate speech are.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230819</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28232911</id>
	<title>Re:German Slashdotters: F*cking do something!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244303220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; For  once  get off your fat lazy unpolitical geek ass and</p><p>You think voting because of fscking viodeo games is not unpolitical?<br>Gibs are nice and all but.. hey.. there's a real world out there....<br>There are more important political things than games, u know.<br>fsck pirates.. vote REPs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; For once get off your fat lazy unpolitical geek ass andYou think voting because of fscking viodeo games is not unpolitical ? Gibs are nice and all but.. hey.. there 's a real world out there....There are more important political things than games , u know.fsck pirates.. vote REPs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; For  once  get off your fat lazy unpolitical geek ass andYou think voting because of fscking viodeo games is not unpolitical?Gibs are nice and all but.. hey.. there's a real world out there....There are more important political things than games, u know.fsck pirates.. vote REPs</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231451</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230421</id>
	<title>Pointless legislation is pointless.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244227080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>They can't control the production and sales of games OUTSIDE of Germany. People who want them will just order them from elsewhere. What are they going to do, make it ILLEGAL to own games like that? Stupid and pointless. They should spend their time and energy solving REAL problems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They ca n't control the production and sales of games OUTSIDE of Germany .
People who want them will just order them from elsewhere .
What are they going to do , make it ILLEGAL to own games like that ?
Stupid and pointless .
They should spend their time and energy solving REAL problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can't control the production and sales of games OUTSIDE of Germany.
People who want them will just order them from elsewhere.
What are they going to do, make it ILLEGAL to own games like that?
Stupid and pointless.
They should spend their time and energy solving REAL problems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230275</id>
	<title>Its almost like they are trying to over compensate</title>
	<author>Hohlraum</author>
	<datestamp>1244225100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>for something.  ooooh yeah, that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for something .
ooooh yeah , that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for something.
ooooh yeah, that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230125</id>
	<title>Godwin's law...</title>
	<author>mail2345</author>
	<datestamp>1244222880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just got proven again with the tags.

Is 10 min a new record?

Anyway, what do they mean by violent?

"Violent" could be twisted into a lot of things.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just got proven again with the tags .
Is 10 min a new record ?
Anyway , what do they mean by violent ?
" Violent " could be twisted into a lot of things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just got proven again with the tags.
Is 10 min a new record?
Anyway, what do they mean by violent?
"Violent" could be twisted into a lot of things.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231129</id>
	<title>Re:Crytek.de</title>
	<author>Fred\_A</author>
	<datestamp>1244281500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(Also, Germany produces lots of real world weapons for export only... )</p></div><p>Oh, so that's why their army only uses slings and pointy sticks ? I always wondered about that.<br>(duh)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( Also , Germany produces lots of real world weapons for export only... ) Oh , so that 's why their army only uses slings and pointy sticks ?
I always wondered about that .
( duh )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Also, Germany produces lots of real world weapons for export only... )Oh, so that's why their army only uses slings and pointy sticks ?
I always wondered about that.
(duh)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230107</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230003</id>
	<title>And this is the government...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244221500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we're supposed to respect for their opinions on Scientology?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we 're supposed to respect for their opinions on Scientology ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we're supposed to respect for their opinions on Scientology?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230057</id>
	<title>What about a ban...</title>
	<author>Criceratops</author>
	<datestamp>1244221920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... on violent German regimes?<br>
<br>
Or a ban on violently bad singers.  That could kill off their Hasselhoff hassle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... on violent German regimes ?
Or a ban on violently bad singers .
That could kill off their Hasselhoff hassle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... on violent German regimes?
Or a ban on violently bad singers.
That could kill off their Hasselhoff hassle.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230697</id>
	<title>Re:Why not ban TV?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244231700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know a lot of people here in Germany who, like me, do not have a TV at home. Unthinkable for some, but it's normal here. Banning TV here will definitely cause a stir, but it won't be as big as it will be in other countries, notably USA and Japan.</p><p>Televisions here are mainly used to watch the news and football. I watch neither, so I don't feel the need to get me one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know a lot of people here in Germany who , like me , do not have a TV at home .
Unthinkable for some , but it 's normal here .
Banning TV here will definitely cause a stir , but it wo n't be as big as it will be in other countries , notably USA and Japan.Televisions here are mainly used to watch the news and football .
I watch neither , so I do n't feel the need to get me one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know a lot of people here in Germany who, like me, do not have a TV at home.
Unthinkable for some, but it's normal here.
Banning TV here will definitely cause a stir, but it won't be as big as it will be in other countries, notably USA and Japan.Televisions here are mainly used to watch the news and football.
I watch neither, so I don't feel the need to get me one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230319</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231863</id>
	<title>Re:Germany has a problem with democracy</title>
	<author>Uberbah</author>
	<datestamp>1244294040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least Germany isn't spying on it's own citizens in blatant violation of its own constitution, or in the habit of torturing people, or holding people in jail without trials - even people we know for a fact to be innocent, and insisting that top officials never be held accountable for war crimes.</p><p>The U.S. has a far bigger problem with democracy than Germany does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least Germany is n't spying on it 's own citizens in blatant violation of its own constitution , or in the habit of torturing people , or holding people in jail without trials - even people we know for a fact to be innocent , and insisting that top officials never be held accountable for war crimes.The U.S. has a far bigger problem with democracy than Germany does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least Germany isn't spying on it's own citizens in blatant violation of its own constitution, or in the habit of torturing people, or holding people in jail without trials - even people we know for a fact to be innocent, and insisting that top officials never be held accountable for war crimes.The U.S. has a far bigger problem with democracy than Germany does.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230819</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230251</id>
	<title>Re:People don't want to believe in bad people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244224920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>People don't want to believe in bad people? This thread is inherently Godwinned, so I can point out that A. Hitler enjoyed popular support until it became evident that the war was lost.  People <i>wanted</i> to believe in him, even elected him Chancellor, because he promised them solutions. Yete nobody wanted to analyze what those solutions entailed.<p>It wasn't until after the war was over that you couldn't find even a single person who had ever supported him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People do n't want to believe in bad people ?
This thread is inherently Godwinned , so I can point out that A. Hitler enjoyed popular support until it became evident that the war was lost .
People wanted to believe in him , even elected him Chancellor , because he promised them solutions .
Yete nobody wanted to analyze what those solutions entailed.It was n't until after the war was over that you could n't find even a single person who had ever supported him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People don't want to believe in bad people?
This thread is inherently Godwinned, so I can point out that A. Hitler enjoyed popular support until it became evident that the war was lost.
People wanted to believe in him, even elected him Chancellor, because he promised them solutions.
Yete nobody wanted to analyze what those solutions entailed.It wasn't until after the war was over that you couldn't find even a single person who had ever supported him.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230161</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230391</id>
	<title>Re:Free Speech? Really? Best Defense?</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1244226780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is true that free speech may not be the best defense of video games, but it may be the most effective.  Here is why.  If the actions of video games and tv shows can incite people to violent acts, then why not the direct statements or commands of radio personalities.  This is why we have so much sex and violence on TV and video games.  The liberals are generally not going to back massive restrictions of free speech because censorship is not currently the big liberal issue.  It may have been, but now liberals have taken on the issue of fairness, which implies balanced free speech.  Likewise, conservatives are not going to go for the idea that images and language incites violence because much of the communication system is based on the idea that we can say anything because it is only speech.  In this world it is ok for <a href="http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/19273935/detail.html" title="thebostonchannel.com">Rush to equate Somali Pirates to American urban youth</a> [thebostonchannel.com].  It is ok for <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/06/shock-jock-michael-savage-quotes" title="guardian.co.uk">to hate a group of people and hope they all get sick an die</a> [guardian.co.uk].  It is ok for <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0111.coulterwisdom.html" title="washingtonmonthly.com"> to disrespect the veterans of this countries wars, support a poll tax that the courts found unconstitutional, and support flogging and public executions of the type that was inflicted on Jesus Christ.  One might assume she thinks that people who did the later deserve a medal.</a> [washingtonmonthly.com]
<p>
Certainly all those thoughts are legitimately expressed in the United States, even though many of these shows occur at times when young children would be expected to listen.  We assume that these are just words, and hearing that gay people should be punished, or that Lutheran doctors might deserve to be murdered are just words and will not effect them.  This is the same logic we use to support the distribution of other content that reasonable people might find objectionable.  Of course merely being objectionable does not make it subject to regulation.  We may not agree that shooting police in a video games is acceptable, or verbally promoting the murder of large groups of people based on superficial characteristics, or limited opposition speech, but that does not mean we can regulate it
</p><p>
Of course Germany has a history of hate speech escalating to mass murder, so they have different tolerance to such entertainment</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is true that free speech may not be the best defense of video games , but it may be the most effective .
Here is why .
If the actions of video games and tv shows can incite people to violent acts , then why not the direct statements or commands of radio personalities .
This is why we have so much sex and violence on TV and video games .
The liberals are generally not going to back massive restrictions of free speech because censorship is not currently the big liberal issue .
It may have been , but now liberals have taken on the issue of fairness , which implies balanced free speech .
Likewise , conservatives are not going to go for the idea that images and language incites violence because much of the communication system is based on the idea that we can say anything because it is only speech .
In this world it is ok for Rush to equate Somali Pirates to American urban youth [ thebostonchannel.com ] .
It is ok for to hate a group of people and hope they all get sick an die [ guardian.co.uk ] .
It is ok for to disrespect the veterans of this countries wars , support a poll tax that the courts found unconstitutional , and support flogging and public executions of the type that was inflicted on Jesus Christ .
One might assume she thinks that people who did the later deserve a medal .
[ washingtonmonthly.com ] Certainly all those thoughts are legitimately expressed in the United States , even though many of these shows occur at times when young children would be expected to listen .
We assume that these are just words , and hearing that gay people should be punished , or that Lutheran doctors might deserve to be murdered are just words and will not effect them .
This is the same logic we use to support the distribution of other content that reasonable people might find objectionable .
Of course merely being objectionable does not make it subject to regulation .
We may not agree that shooting police in a video games is acceptable , or verbally promoting the murder of large groups of people based on superficial characteristics , or limited opposition speech , but that does not mean we can regulate it Of course Germany has a history of hate speech escalating to mass murder , so they have different tolerance to such entertainment</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is true that free speech may not be the best defense of video games, but it may be the most effective.
Here is why.
If the actions of video games and tv shows can incite people to violent acts, then why not the direct statements or commands of radio personalities.
This is why we have so much sex and violence on TV and video games.
The liberals are generally not going to back massive restrictions of free speech because censorship is not currently the big liberal issue.
It may have been, but now liberals have taken on the issue of fairness, which implies balanced free speech.
Likewise, conservatives are not going to go for the idea that images and language incites violence because much of the communication system is based on the idea that we can say anything because it is only speech.
In this world it is ok for Rush to equate Somali Pirates to American urban youth [thebostonchannel.com].
It is ok for to hate a group of people and hope they all get sick an die [guardian.co.uk].
It is ok for  to disrespect the veterans of this countries wars, support a poll tax that the courts found unconstitutional, and support flogging and public executions of the type that was inflicted on Jesus Christ.
One might assume she thinks that people who did the later deserve a medal.
[washingtonmonthly.com]

Certainly all those thoughts are legitimately expressed in the United States, even though many of these shows occur at times when young children would be expected to listen.
We assume that these are just words, and hearing that gay people should be punished, or that Lutheran doctors might deserve to be murdered are just words and will not effect them.
This is the same logic we use to support the distribution of other content that reasonable people might find objectionable.
Of course merely being objectionable does not make it subject to regulation.
We may not agree that shooting police in a video games is acceptable, or verbally promoting the murder of large groups of people based on superficial characteristics, or limited opposition speech, but that does not mean we can regulate it

Of course Germany has a history of hate speech escalating to mass murder, so they have different tolerance to such entertainment</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230143</id>
	<title>Recession...not?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244223120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey we're really hurting on the economy, let's ban the idiots that dare run a successful business and bring needed tax revenue in! That'l fix the situation! How dare you try and run a business that may offend people in some way!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey we 're really hurting on the economy , let 's ban the idiots that dare run a successful business and bring needed tax revenue in !
That'l fix the situation !
How dare you try and run a business that may offend people in some way !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey we're really hurting on the economy, let's ban the idiots that dare run a successful business and bring needed tax revenue in!
That'l fix the situation!
How dare you try and run a business that may offend people in some way!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231453</id>
	<title>Wehrsportgruppe Online</title>
	<author>Elektroschock</author>
	<datestamp>1244287080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all the case is about populism and elections. Second the interior minister likes to stake the demands a bit higher to negotiate something in between. Third that debate would be a fantastic recruitment tool for a gamer's rights campaign, So in the end Germans will get a a happy interior minister hated by everyone and and we would have a kind of CyberNRA e.V. Germany won't do it alone but on a European level. Sch&#195;uble just tests the national debate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all the case is about populism and elections .
Second the interior minister likes to stake the demands a bit higher to negotiate something in between .
Third that debate would be a fantastic recruitment tool for a gamer 's rights campaign , So in the end Germans will get a a happy interior minister hated by everyone and and we would have a kind of CyberNRA e.V .
Germany wo n't do it alone but on a European level .
Sch   uble just tests the national debate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all the case is about populism and elections.
Second the interior minister likes to stake the demands a bit higher to negotiate something in between.
Third that debate would be a fantastic recruitment tool for a gamer's rights campaign, So in the end Germans will get a a happy interior minister hated by everyone and and we would have a kind of CyberNRA e.V.
Germany won't do it alone but on a European level.
SchÃuble just tests the national debate.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230929</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28233491</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's law...</title>
	<author>Asic Eng</author>
	<datestamp>1244306460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Godwin's law was made for usenet - a network which has never found a viable way to reduce the influence of trolls and spam. Like any of the other "measures" on usenet this law has also achieved nothing. It's almost exclusively applied to situations where the comparison would be useful, and has no effect otherwise. I think it's time to give this "law" a rest.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Godwin 's law was made for usenet - a network which has never found a viable way to reduce the influence of trolls and spam .
Like any of the other " measures " on usenet this law has also achieved nothing .
It 's almost exclusively applied to situations where the comparison would be useful , and has no effect otherwise .
I think it 's time to give this " law " a rest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Godwin's law was made for usenet - a network which has never found a viable way to reduce the influence of trolls and spam.
Like any of the other "measures" on usenet this law has also achieved nothing.
It's almost exclusively applied to situations where the comparison would be useful, and has no effect otherwise.
I think it's time to give this "law" a rest.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230125</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230975</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's law...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244279400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Godwin's Law can go suck my Nazi cock!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Godwin 's Law can go suck my Nazi cock !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Godwin's Law can go suck my Nazi cock!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230125</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28230079</id>
	<title>Crytek</title>
	<author>jgtg32a</author>
	<datestamp>1244222220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hopefully they do leave Germany one of the things that annoyed me about Crysis is that the Koreans didn't respond to dead bodies.  In Crysis you can't move dead bodies because it is against the law or some foolishness in Germany.  Instead the bodies just disappeared after a little while</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully they do leave Germany one of the things that annoyed me about Crysis is that the Koreans did n't respond to dead bodies .
In Crysis you ca n't move dead bodies because it is against the law or some foolishness in Germany .
Instead the bodies just disappeared after a little while</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully they do leave Germany one of the things that annoyed me about Crysis is that the Koreans didn't respond to dead bodies.
In Crysis you can't move dead bodies because it is against the law or some foolishness in Germany.
Instead the bodies just disappeared after a little while</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_06_0154229.28231691</id>
	<title>Re:NOOOOO!</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1244291460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, it will deal a very harsh blow to the German video game industry. Essentially, we have CryTek. And Factor 5-- nope, they first left Germany and then went out of business. Rainbow Ar-- no, they died in the 90s. Okay, Sunflowers and Zuxxez are still alive. And Blue Byte.<br>
<br>
So essentially we have <i>Anno</i> and <i>The Settlers</i>. plus <i>Two Worlds</i> That's two moderately successful series and a rather forgettable game. <i>Gothic</i> doesn't quite count; I don't even know if JowooD is going to have someone develop a fourth game after they scared the original developers away.<br>
<br>
On the other hand we have Crytek, who are internationally reknowned for making a kick-ass engine that generates sales on its own and have pushed out a number of AAA titles. Yeah, we really could stand to lose that. I mean, who wants foreign companies licensing a locally-produced game engine for lots of money? Or a locally-produced game being a hot seller worldwide?<br>
<br>
<br>
Of course laws should be more than a business decision but the tenacity with which some German lawmakers keep trying to ban violent video games (violent shows and movies are A-okay, as long as they have an age recommendation) leaves one wonders if they shouldn't invest some time actually reading about the subject (and not just from one source) and thinking about the possible consequences.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it will deal a very harsh blow to the German video game industry .
Essentially , we have CryTek .
And Factor 5-- nope , they first left Germany and then went out of business .
Rainbow Ar-- no , they died in the 90s .
Okay , Sunflowers and Zuxxez are still alive .
And Blue Byte .
So essentially we have Anno and The Settlers .
plus Two Worlds That 's two moderately successful series and a rather forgettable game .
Gothic does n't quite count ; I do n't even know if JowooD is going to have someone develop a fourth game after they scared the original developers away .
On the other hand we have Crytek , who are internationally reknowned for making a kick-ass engine that generates sales on its own and have pushed out a number of AAA titles .
Yeah , we really could stand to lose that .
I mean , who wants foreign companies licensing a locally-produced game engine for lots of money ?
Or a locally-produced game being a hot seller worldwide ?
Of course laws should be more than a business decision but the tenacity with which some German lawmakers keep trying to ban violent video games ( violent shows and movies are A-okay , as long as they have an age recommendation ) leaves one wonders if they should n't invest some time actually reading about the subject ( and not just from one source ) and thinking about the possible consequences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it will deal a very harsh blow to the German video game industry.
Essentially, we have CryTek.
And Factor 5-- nope, they first left Germany and then went out of business.
Rainbow Ar-- no, they died in the 90s.
Okay, Sunflowers and Zuxxez are still alive.
And Blue Byte.
So essentially we have Anno and The Settlers.
plus Two Worlds That's two moderately successful series and a rather forgettable game.
Gothic doesn't quite count; I don't even know if JowooD is going to have someone develop a fourth game after they scared the original developers away.
On the other hand we have Crytek, who are internationally reknowned for making a kick-ass engine that generates sales on its own and have pushed out a number of AAA titles.
Yeah, we really could stand to lose that.
I mean, who wants foreign companies licensing a locally-produced game engine for lots of money?
Or a locally-produced game being a hot seller worldwide?
Of course laws should be more than a business decision but the tenacity with which some German lawmakers keep trying to ban violent video games (violent shows and movies are A-okay, as long as they have an age recommendation) leaves one wonders if they shouldn't invest some time actually reading about the subject (and not just from one source) and thinking about the possible consequences.</sentencetext>
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