<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_05_0548202</id>
	<title>Protecting the Apollo Landing Sites From Later Landings</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244227560000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>R3d M3rcury writes <i>"The <a href="http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/">Lunar X-Prize</a> is a contest offering $20 million to the first private organization to land and maneuver a robotic rover on the moon.  There is also a $1 million bonus to anyone who can get a picture of a man-made object on the moon.  But one archeologist believes that 'The sites of early lunar landings are of unparalleled significance in the history of humanity, and <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-walsh1-2009jun01,0,5840745.story">extraordinary caution should be taken to protect them</a>.'  He's concerned that we may end up with rover tracks destroying historic artifacts, such as Neil Armstrong's first bootprint, or that a mistake could send a rocket slamming into a landing site.  He calls on the organizers to ban any contestant from landing within 100KM of a prior moon landing site. Now he seems to think this just means Apollo.  What about the <a href="http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/lunarussr.html">Luna</a> and <a href="http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/surveyor.html">Surveyor</a> landers?  What about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunokhod\_programme">Lunokhod</a> rovers?  Are they fair game?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>R3d M3rcury writes " The Lunar X-Prize is a contest offering $ 20 million to the first private organization to land and maneuver a robotic rover on the moon .
There is also a $ 1 million bonus to anyone who can get a picture of a man-made object on the moon .
But one archeologist believes that 'The sites of early lunar landings are of unparalleled significance in the history of humanity , and extraordinary caution should be taken to protect them .
' He 's concerned that we may end up with rover tracks destroying historic artifacts , such as Neil Armstrong 's first bootprint , or that a mistake could send a rocket slamming into a landing site .
He calls on the organizers to ban any contestant from landing within 100KM of a prior moon landing site .
Now he seems to think this just means Apollo .
What about the Luna and Surveyor landers ?
What about the Lunokhod rovers ?
Are they fair game ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>R3d M3rcury writes "The Lunar X-Prize is a contest offering $20 million to the first private organization to land and maneuver a robotic rover on the moon.
There is also a $1 million bonus to anyone who can get a picture of a man-made object on the moon.
But one archeologist believes that 'The sites of early lunar landings are of unparalleled significance in the history of humanity, and extraordinary caution should be taken to protect them.
'  He's concerned that we may end up with rover tracks destroying historic artifacts, such as Neil Armstrong's first bootprint, or that a mistake could send a rocket slamming into a landing site.
He calls on the organizers to ban any contestant from landing within 100KM of a prior moon landing site.
Now he seems to think this just means Apollo.
What about the Luna and Surveyor landers?
What about the Lunokhod rovers?
Are they fair game?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221223</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244211300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>to preserve anything, we will need to live on trees. really, think about leaving all the european victorian ages settlement, due of their historical importance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>to preserve anything , we will need to live on trees .
really , think about leaving all the european victorian ages settlement , due of their historical importance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to preserve anything, we will need to live on trees.
really, think about leaving all the european victorian ages settlement, due of their historical importance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221877</id>
	<title>Re:Idolatry</title>
	<author>ankhank</author>
	<datestamp>1244214360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah!  Besides I've got my hand-carved Bigfoot track-making shoe covers all ready to go.<br>We're gonna \_improve\_ that site all to hell as soon as we can get to it.</p><p>We'll cut out the original bootprint first, though.  Watch for it on eBay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah !
Besides I 've got my hand-carved Bigfoot track-making shoe covers all ready to go.We 're gon na \ _improve \ _ that site all to hell as soon as we can get to it.We 'll cut out the original bootprint first , though .
Watch for it on eBay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah!
Besides I've got my hand-carved Bigfoot track-making shoe covers all ready to go.We're gonna \_improve\_ that site all to hell as soon as we can get to it.We'll cut out the original bootprint first, though.
Watch for it on eBay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219425</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1244192700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Counterpoint: why not?</p><p>The wiki page for the moon tells me the surface area of the moon is "about a quarter the Earth's land area, approximately as large as Russia, Canada, and the United States combined."  Plenty of room to make new historical sites rather than change old one which has no significance that I can see other than historical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Counterpoint : why not ? The wiki page for the moon tells me the surface area of the moon is " about a quarter the Earth 's land area , approximately as large as Russia , Canada , and the United States combined .
" Plenty of room to make new historical sites rather than change old one which has no significance that I can see other than historical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Counterpoint: why not?The wiki page for the moon tells me the surface area of the moon is "about a quarter the Earth's land area, approximately as large as Russia, Canada, and the United States combined.
"  Plenty of room to make new historical sites rather than change old one which has no significance that I can see other than historical.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28237881</id>
	<title>Did we really go to the moon?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244296080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm 75\% sure that we didn't although all my life I made fund of people who expressed that idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm 75 \ % sure that we did n't although all my life I made fund of people who expressed that idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm 75\% sure that we didn't although all my life I made fund of people who expressed that idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219633</id>
	<title>Footprints? meh! keep the tech? yes</title>
	<author>petes\_PoV</author>
	<datestamp>1244195400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is some scientific value in stopping the tech (all of it, not merely the apollo stuff for sentimental reasons) from getting contaminated. That's to help us assess how materials and electronics survive in the harsh, irradiated environment. I realise the electronics is decades obsolete, but the components may yield usable data if they are analysed - not just left to rot away.
<p>
After all we explore wrecks on the ocean floors, the landers should be afforded the same status for scientific investigation.
</p><p>
As it is, We've still got Neil's boot, so we can make more footprints anytime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is some scientific value in stopping the tech ( all of it , not merely the apollo stuff for sentimental reasons ) from getting contaminated .
That 's to help us assess how materials and electronics survive in the harsh , irradiated environment .
I realise the electronics is decades obsolete , but the components may yield usable data if they are analysed - not just left to rot away .
After all we explore wrecks on the ocean floors , the landers should be afforded the same status for scientific investigation .
As it is , We 've still got Neil 's boot , so we can make more footprints anytime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is some scientific value in stopping the tech (all of it, not merely the apollo stuff for sentimental reasons) from getting contaminated.
That's to help us assess how materials and electronics survive in the harsh, irradiated environment.
I realise the electronics is decades obsolete, but the components may yield usable data if they are analysed - not just left to rot away.
After all we explore wrecks on the ocean floors, the landers should be afforded the same status for scientific investigation.
As it is, We've still got Neil's boot, so we can make more footprints anytime.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219415</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>dintech</author>
	<datestamp>1244192460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Worse yet. All it takes is one unlucky asteroid and everything is dust anyway. I say send in the bots.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Worse yet .
All it takes is one unlucky asteroid and everything is dust anyway .
I say send in the bots .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Worse yet.
All it takes is one unlucky asteroid and everything is dust anyway.
I say send in the bots.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220187</id>
	<title>Re:Idolatry</title>
	<author>Merls the Sneaky</author>
	<datestamp>1244202840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ever since i was alttle boy people have enjoyed the sound of my voice. And I figured you erither get busy talkin' or you get busy dyin'.<br>The work is really quite easy, why even right now I'm just sitting in a chair, sipping some tea and reading from a script. The wall is covered with something that resembles egg crates except they're soft and spongy. Like a twinkie. Like a twinkie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever since i was alttle boy people have enjoyed the sound of my voice .
And I figured you erither get busy talkin ' or you get busy dyin'.The work is really quite easy , why even right now I 'm just sitting in a chair , sipping some tea and reading from a script .
The wall is covered with something that resembles egg crates except they 're soft and spongy .
Like a twinkie .
Like a twinkie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever since i was alttle boy people have enjoyed the sound of my voice.
And I figured you erither get busy talkin' or you get busy dyin'.The work is really quite easy, why even right now I'm just sitting in a chair, sipping some tea and reading from a script.
The wall is covered with something that resembles egg crates except they're soft and spongy.
Like a twinkie.
Like a twinkie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220151</id>
	<title>"People who spray paint..."</title>
	<author>msauve</author>
	<datestamp>1244202360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>People who spray paint anything on the Grand Canyon should be shot on sight.</p></div></blockquote><p>So that's what happened to the <a href="http://www.jqjacobs.net/rock\_art/anasazi.html" title="jqjacobs.net">Anasazi</a> [jqjacobs.net]. Now, somebody just needs to go clean up the mess they left.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>People who spray paint anything on the Grand Canyon should be shot on sight.So that 's what happened to the Anasazi [ jqjacobs.net ] .
Now , somebody just needs to go clean up the mess they left .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People who spray paint anything on the Grand Canyon should be shot on sight.So that's what happened to the Anasazi [jqjacobs.net].
Now, somebody just needs to go clean up the mess they left.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219303</id>
	<title>Sea of Tranquility National Park</title>
	<author>metaforest</author>
	<datestamp>1244233860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not?   I personally think that preserving the artifacts of the first moon landing should be considered important.</p><p>Though realistically....  Neil Armstrong's first boot print was most likely obliterated when the LEM blasted off.</p><p>There's a lot of moon up there.   I see no reason to disturb the existing landing sites until we have the means to preserve them properly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not ?
I personally think that preserving the artifacts of the first moon landing should be considered important.Though realistically.... Neil Armstrong 's first boot print was most likely obliterated when the LEM blasted off.There 's a lot of moon up there .
I see no reason to disturb the existing landing sites until we have the means to preserve them properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not?
I personally think that preserving the artifacts of the first moon landing should be considered important.Though realistically....  Neil Armstrong's first boot print was most likely obliterated when the LEM blasted off.There's a lot of moon up there.
I see no reason to disturb the existing landing sites until we have the means to preserve them properly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28223191</id>
	<title>Taking a picture of a man-made object ?</title>
	<author>this great guy</author>
	<datestamp>1244219700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>With today's telescopes like the VLT with a resolution of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLT" title="wikipedia.org">around 1 milliarcsecond, equivalent to the distance between the headlights on a car at the distance of the Moon</a> [wikipedia.org], wouldn't it be possible to take a picture of one of the numerous lander on the Moon ? Seems like they are slightly bigger than a car, so they would appear as 1 or 2 pixels on a shot taken from such a telescope...</htmltext>
<tokenext>With today 's telescopes like the VLT with a resolution of around 1 milliarcsecond , equivalent to the distance between the headlights on a car at the distance of the Moon [ wikipedia.org ] , would n't it be possible to take a picture of one of the numerous lander on the Moon ?
Seems like they are slightly bigger than a car , so they would appear as 1 or 2 pixels on a shot taken from such a telescope.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With today's telescopes like the VLT with a resolution of around 1 milliarcsecond, equivalent to the distance between the headlights on a car at the distance of the Moon [wikipedia.org], wouldn't it be possible to take a picture of one of the numerous lander on the Moon ?
Seems like they are slightly bigger than a car, so they would appear as 1 or 2 pixels on a shot taken from such a telescope...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222355</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>SilverJets</author>
	<datestamp>1244216580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So rather than being preserved, the existing copies of the Gutenberg bible should be recycled for toilet paper?  Since we have the knowledge of how the printing press works.</p><p>The stone blocks of the pyramids should be removed and used to build more modern structures?  Since we have the knowledge of the lever and other construction techniques.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So rather than being preserved , the existing copies of the Gutenberg bible should be recycled for toilet paper ?
Since we have the knowledge of how the printing press works.The stone blocks of the pyramids should be removed and used to build more modern structures ?
Since we have the knowledge of the lever and other construction techniques .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So rather than being preserved, the existing copies of the Gutenberg bible should be recycled for toilet paper?
Since we have the knowledge of how the printing press works.The stone blocks of the pyramids should be removed and used to build more modern structures?
Since we have the knowledge of the lever and other construction techniques.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219745</id>
	<title>Capitalism IN SPACE</title>
	<author>dugeen</author>
	<datestamp>1244197260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This issue draws attention to the danger of encouraging for-profit space travel. If in 50 years' time you find yourself looking up at the moon and seeing a Microsoft logo on it, don't say I didn't warn you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This issue draws attention to the danger of encouraging for-profit space travel .
If in 50 years ' time you find yourself looking up at the moon and seeing a Microsoft logo on it , do n't say I did n't warn you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This issue draws attention to the danger of encouraging for-profit space travel.
If in 50 years' time you find yourself looking up at the moon and seeing a Microsoft logo on it, don't say I didn't warn you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219899</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>phoenix321</author>
	<datestamp>1244199600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People who spray paint anything on the Grand Canyon should be shot on sight. Several times, just to be sure. It's bad enough they ruined all vertical and non-vertical walls in our cities, but willfully damaging natural monuments as important and incredible as the Grand Canyon for no reason other than pure asshattery is over the line.</p><p>Graffiti sprayers should be incarcerated for decades anyway, but in the case of natural world wonders of this scale I have zero tolerance for them using up any more of our oxygen. Graffiti sprayers are worse than thieves, because the results of their actions are visible years from now and their damages may be much higher than that of even professional shoplifters. And their actions are done for really no reason other than to imprint their name on everything they see. Which only a small circle of their fellow jerks can even read or recognize.</p><p>Anyone who's ever been to an Asian country will instantly recognize how large the effect and impact of widespread graffiti in any environment really is, because there's absolutely no Graffiti to speak of, only some sprayed rogue advertisements. Visible graffiti means law enforcement is far or ineffective and there's people around who don't respect others or others property. That feels less safe and emboldens others that law enforcement really IS ineffective and/or nobody cares about their wrongdoings.</p><p>It's becoming impossible to uphold even the most basic laws fifteen to twenty years after social norms are not enforced anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People who spray paint anything on the Grand Canyon should be shot on sight .
Several times , just to be sure .
It 's bad enough they ruined all vertical and non-vertical walls in our cities , but willfully damaging natural monuments as important and incredible as the Grand Canyon for no reason other than pure asshattery is over the line.Graffiti sprayers should be incarcerated for decades anyway , but in the case of natural world wonders of this scale I have zero tolerance for them using up any more of our oxygen .
Graffiti sprayers are worse than thieves , because the results of their actions are visible years from now and their damages may be much higher than that of even professional shoplifters .
And their actions are done for really no reason other than to imprint their name on everything they see .
Which only a small circle of their fellow jerks can even read or recognize.Anyone who 's ever been to an Asian country will instantly recognize how large the effect and impact of widespread graffiti in any environment really is , because there 's absolutely no Graffiti to speak of , only some sprayed rogue advertisements .
Visible graffiti means law enforcement is far or ineffective and there 's people around who do n't respect others or others property .
That feels less safe and emboldens others that law enforcement really IS ineffective and/or nobody cares about their wrongdoings.It 's becoming impossible to uphold even the most basic laws fifteen to twenty years after social norms are not enforced anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People who spray paint anything on the Grand Canyon should be shot on sight.
Several times, just to be sure.
It's bad enough they ruined all vertical and non-vertical walls in our cities, but willfully damaging natural monuments as important and incredible as the Grand Canyon for no reason other than pure asshattery is over the line.Graffiti sprayers should be incarcerated for decades anyway, but in the case of natural world wonders of this scale I have zero tolerance for them using up any more of our oxygen.
Graffiti sprayers are worse than thieves, because the results of their actions are visible years from now and their damages may be much higher than that of even professional shoplifters.
And their actions are done for really no reason other than to imprint their name on everything they see.
Which only a small circle of their fellow jerks can even read or recognize.Anyone who's ever been to an Asian country will instantly recognize how large the effect and impact of widespread graffiti in any environment really is, because there's absolutely no Graffiti to speak of, only some sprayed rogue advertisements.
Visible graffiti means law enforcement is far or ineffective and there's people around who don't respect others or others property.
That feels less safe and emboldens others that law enforcement really IS ineffective and/or nobody cares about their wrongdoings.It's becoming impossible to uphold even the most basic laws fifteen to twenty years after social norms are not enforced anymore.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220663</id>
	<title>Lunar Park Surface Protected Area</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1244207640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some rough estimates and finger counting calculations:</p><p>If 10 lunar sites were set aside, the surface area protected would be 100000 mi^2</p><p>The moon has 10 times the surface area of the US, so consider it as 10000 mi^2 of US land set aside.</p><p>The US National Park Service holdings total 10 times that. Just the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone and Death Valley total just a bit more than the 10000 mi^2</p><p>The amount suggested to be protected is not excessive. The distance is. There's no reason craft can't land or crawl closer.</p><p>A better suggestion might be to set a smaller radius for powered travel that would protect the areas from dust being blasted over the artifacts. Say 10 miles for landers and 1 for crawlers. Landers could overfly on a slow ballistic trajectory without firing, allowing overhead viewing. Crawlers could get close enough for people to walk up to fencing protecting the sites and the exact areas determined to have markings or artifacts of interest.</p><p>The time is now to set up a Lunar Park Service, determine the sites and boundaries, and send up the park rangers to put up the fencing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some rough estimates and finger counting calculations : If 10 lunar sites were set aside , the surface area protected would be 100000 mi ^ 2The moon has 10 times the surface area of the US , so consider it as 10000 mi ^ 2 of US land set aside.The US National Park Service holdings total 10 times that .
Just the Grand Canyon , Yellowstone and Death Valley total just a bit more than the 10000 mi ^ 2The amount suggested to be protected is not excessive .
The distance is .
There 's no reason craft ca n't land or crawl closer.A better suggestion might be to set a smaller radius for powered travel that would protect the areas from dust being blasted over the artifacts .
Say 10 miles for landers and 1 for crawlers .
Landers could overfly on a slow ballistic trajectory without firing , allowing overhead viewing .
Crawlers could get close enough for people to walk up to fencing protecting the sites and the exact areas determined to have markings or artifacts of interest.The time is now to set up a Lunar Park Service , determine the sites and boundaries , and send up the park rangers to put up the fencing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some rough estimates and finger counting calculations:If 10 lunar sites were set aside, the surface area protected would be 100000 mi^2The moon has 10 times the surface area of the US, so consider it as 10000 mi^2 of US land set aside.The US National Park Service holdings total 10 times that.
Just the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone and Death Valley total just a bit more than the 10000 mi^2The amount suggested to be protected is not excessive.
The distance is.
There's no reason craft can't land or crawl closer.A better suggestion might be to set a smaller radius for powered travel that would protect the areas from dust being blasted over the artifacts.
Say 10 miles for landers and 1 for crawlers.
Landers could overfly on a slow ballistic trajectory without firing, allowing overhead viewing.
Crawlers could get close enough for people to walk up to fencing protecting the sites and the exact areas determined to have markings or artifacts of interest.The time is now to set up a Lunar Park Service, determine the sites and boundaries, and send up the park rangers to put up the fencing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219917</id>
	<title>or to avoid to embarassing lack of evidence...</title>
	<author>Latinhypercube</author>
	<datestamp>1244199780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oops. Don't go there. Nothing to see, honest.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oops .
Do n't go there .
Nothing to see , honest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oops.
Don't go there.
Nothing to see, honest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220131</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244202120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't want to accelerate the "natural" erosion of a footprint, in outerspace, from a human?</p><p>A human on the Moon, or any other planet doesn't constitute "natural".</p><p>Its a footprint.<br>A footprint!</p><p>Is this what we consider historical? A footprint?<br>How about the technical advancement, research and design that allowed us to get to the fucking moon! Wait, we have it, it came back. Its in a nice pretty museum where its being fucking preserved. Are we gonna freeze Lance Armstrong when he dies? Seriously. Get a fucking mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't want to accelerate the " natural " erosion of a footprint , in outerspace , from a human ? A human on the Moon , or any other planet does n't constitute " natural " .Its a footprint.A footprint ! Is this what we consider historical ?
A footprint ? How about the technical advancement , research and design that allowed us to get to the fucking moon !
Wait , we have it , it came back .
Its in a nice pretty museum where its being fucking preserved .
Are we gon na freeze Lance Armstrong when he dies ?
Seriously. Get a fucking mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't want to accelerate the "natural" erosion of a footprint, in outerspace, from a human?A human on the Moon, or any other planet doesn't constitute "natural".Its a footprint.A footprint!Is this what we consider historical?
A footprint?How about the technical advancement, research and design that allowed us to get to the fucking moon!
Wait, we have it, it came back.
Its in a nice pretty museum where its being fucking preserved.
Are we gonna freeze Lance Armstrong when he dies?
Seriously. Get a fucking mind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219523</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28241471</id>
	<title>Re:Cover up!</title>
	<author>landaishan</author>
	<datestamp>1244391660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>lol exactly what i thought, not that i necessarily believe it</htmltext>
<tokenext>lol exactly what i thought , not that i necessarily believe it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lol exactly what i thought, not that i necessarily believe it</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28228137</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28235455</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>phoenix321</author>
	<datestamp>1244319780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And it feels so repressive in the subway at 11pm with no punks, no trash, no graffiti, no vandalism, no threatening behaviour and absolutely no other disgusting things to see, smell or hear. Only other repressed people minding their own business, talking on their phones, laughing with their friends, reading their books. Oh boy, are they repressed, I tell you, especially in Japan and South Korea.</p><p>Thank God I live in Europe where we have all the freedom of The West (tm) and our subways have that nice Thriller feeling, not only after sunset, but all day long. Beggars, dealers, lunatics, painters, scratchers and gropers - you name it, we have it.</p><p>I think we Westerners should get the head out of our collective behinds and remember the times when we were free from repression from the state but also from repression from individual nutjobs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And it feels so repressive in the subway at 11pm with no punks , no trash , no graffiti , no vandalism , no threatening behaviour and absolutely no other disgusting things to see , smell or hear .
Only other repressed people minding their own business , talking on their phones , laughing with their friends , reading their books .
Oh boy , are they repressed , I tell you , especially in Japan and South Korea.Thank God I live in Europe where we have all the freedom of The West ( tm ) and our subways have that nice Thriller feeling , not only after sunset , but all day long .
Beggars , dealers , lunatics , painters , scratchers and gropers - you name it , we have it.I think we Westerners should get the head out of our collective behinds and remember the times when we were free from repression from the state but also from repression from individual nutjobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it feels so repressive in the subway at 11pm with no punks, no trash, no graffiti, no vandalism, no threatening behaviour and absolutely no other disgusting things to see, smell or hear.
Only other repressed people minding their own business, talking on their phones, laughing with their friends, reading their books.
Oh boy, are they repressed, I tell you, especially in Japan and South Korea.Thank God I live in Europe where we have all the freedom of The West (tm) and our subways have that nice Thriller feeling, not only after sunset, but all day long.
Beggars, dealers, lunatics, painters, scratchers and gropers - you name it, we have it.I think we Westerners should get the head out of our collective behinds and remember the times when we were free from repression from the state but also from repression from individual nutjobs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220435</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222167</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244215860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only did Buzz have to trample all over the first boot print, the eventual take off from the moon surface strirred up so much dust that all footprints near the lander are gone anyway. O, and it knocked over the flag as well. Only since Apollo 12 they were smart enough to plant the flag far enough from the lander so ol' glory will  keep standing up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only did Buzz have to trample all over the first boot print , the eventual take off from the moon surface strirred up so much dust that all footprints near the lander are gone anyway .
O , and it knocked over the flag as well .
Only since Apollo 12 they were smart enough to plant the flag far enough from the lander so ol ' glory will keep standing up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only did Buzz have to trample all over the first boot print, the eventual take off from the moon surface strirred up so much dust that all footprints near the lander are gone anyway.
O, and it knocked over the flag as well.
Only since Apollo 12 they were smart enough to plant the flag far enough from the lander so ol' glory will  keep standing up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219239</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28223643</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1244221380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So the very first one might be erased. What about the thousands of other ones Armstrong left?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So the very first one might be erased .
What about the thousands of other ones Armstrong left ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the very first one might be erased.
What about the thousands of other ones Armstrong left?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219511</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222243</id>
	<title>Re:Chinese Policy</title>
	<author>twostix</author>
	<datestamp>1244216160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then they realised that to gain the respect they crave it would be cheaper to just *buy* the US instead of sending a man to the moon and after counting their pennies went down that path instead.</p><p>Went pretty well for them!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then they realised that to gain the respect they crave it would be cheaper to just * buy * the US instead of sending a man to the moon and after counting their pennies went down that path instead.Went pretty well for them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then they realised that to gain the respect they crave it would be cheaper to just *buy* the US instead of sending a man to the moon and after counting their pennies went down that path instead.Went pretty well for them!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219183</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222975</id>
	<title>To hell with footprints, what about sewage????</title>
	<author>motherpusbucket</author>
	<datestamp>1244218920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did the Eagle LM do a sewage dump on the lunar surface before lift-off?  If so, we should preserve the dump site.  A frozen turd may hold up better than a footprint anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did the Eagle LM do a sewage dump on the lunar surface before lift-off ?
If so , we should preserve the dump site .
A frozen turd may hold up better than a footprint anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did the Eagle LM do a sewage dump on the lunar surface before lift-off?
If so, we should preserve the dump site.
A frozen turd may hold up better than a footprint anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219209</id>
	<title>Idolatry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244232540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is ridiculous idolatry. It's not like there is something we *don't* know about these events, there is nothing to discover there, and hence nothing to protect, as opposed to an archeological site.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is ridiculous idolatry .
It 's not like there is something we * do n't * know about these events , there is nothing to discover there , and hence nothing to protect , as opposed to an archeological site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is ridiculous idolatry.
It's not like there is something we *don't* know about these events, there is nothing to discover there, and hence nothing to protect, as opposed to an archeological site.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28231273</id>
	<title>curious - it takes a moon to legitimize the theory</title>
	<author>ibsteve2u</author>
	<datestamp>1244283840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that he who litters first, litters last.</htmltext>
<tokenext>that he who litters first , litters last .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that he who litters first, litters last.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28223591</id>
	<title>apollo landings in arizona desert</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244221200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if such protection act gets enforced all the conspiracy theoretics are going to have a field day with it. for lots of people still need some actual proof that these landing did indeed happen. also wouldn't be surprising if one or two actually were filmed in desert, just to cut budget or fit in the schedule</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if such protection act gets enforced all the conspiracy theoretics are going to have a field day with it .
for lots of people still need some actual proof that these landing did indeed happen .
also would n't be surprising if one or two actually were filmed in desert , just to cut budget or fit in the schedule</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if such protection act gets enforced all the conspiracy theoretics are going to have a field day with it.
for lots of people still need some actual proof that these landing did indeed happen.
also wouldn't be surprising if one or two actually were filmed in desert, just to cut budget or fit in the schedule</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220571</id>
	<title>Re:Chinese Policy</title>
	<author>TorKlingberg</author>
	<datestamp>1244206920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like bullshit to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like bullshit to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like bullshit to me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219183</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28223949</id>
	<title>A little extreme</title>
	<author>slapout</author>
	<datestamp>1244222460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can understand preserving Armstrong's footprint. But if we don't get back in the business of going to the moon, then it's not going to do any good if no one can see it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can understand preserving Armstrong 's footprint .
But if we do n't get back in the business of going to the moon , then it 's not going to do any good if no one can see it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can understand preserving Armstrong's footprint.
But if we don't get back in the business of going to the moon, then it's not going to do any good if no one can see it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219525</id>
	<title>They're gonna get hit by a meteorite anyway.</title>
	<author>Ihlosi</author>
	<datestamp>1244193720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's just a matter of time until some chunk of space rock comes along and obliterates the whole landing site, bootprints, flags, rovers and all. Where do they think all the craters on the moon come from?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's just a matter of time until some chunk of space rock comes along and obliterates the whole landing site , bootprints , flags , rovers and all .
Where do they think all the craters on the moon come from ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's just a matter of time until some chunk of space rock comes along and obliterates the whole landing site, bootprints, flags, rovers and all.
Where do they think all the craters on the moon come from?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220199</id>
	<title>Re:Idolatry</title>
	<author>TerribleNews</author>
	<datestamp>1244202960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You might be interested in the <a href="http://www.longnow.org/" title="longnow.org" rel="nofollow">Long Now Foundation</a> [longnow.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>You might be interested in the Long Now Foundation [ longnow.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might be interested in the Long Now Foundation [longnow.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219555</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219183</id>
	<title>Chinese Policy</title>
	<author>Microlith</author>
	<datestamp>1244232180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember reading long ago, forget where, that official CCP policy was that if they were to arrive on the moon before the US returned, their first goal was to remove as much evidence of American landing sites as possible so as to claim the US had lied and in fact China was the first on the moon.</p><p>Probably some wharrgarbl from the intertubes stuck in my head, but who knows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember reading long ago , forget where , that official CCP policy was that if they were to arrive on the moon before the US returned , their first goal was to remove as much evidence of American landing sites as possible so as to claim the US had lied and in fact China was the first on the moon.Probably some wharrgarbl from the intertubes stuck in my head , but who knows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember reading long ago, forget where, that official CCP policy was that if they were to arrive on the moon before the US returned, their first goal was to remove as much evidence of American landing sites as possible so as to claim the US had lied and in fact China was the first on the moon.Probably some wharrgarbl from the intertubes stuck in my head, but who knows.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219743</id>
	<title>Re:Chinese Policy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244197200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or the first commercial flight is used by the Coca-Cola corporation is to write <b>Coke</b> in big letters on the light side of the moon!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or the first commercial flight is used by the Coca-Cola corporation is to write Coke in big letters on the light side of the moon !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or the first commercial flight is used by the Coca-Cola corporation is to write Coke in big letters on the light side of the moon!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219183</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219197</id>
	<title>Depends on who gets there next</title>
	<author>Centurix</author>
	<datestamp>1244232360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't imagine the bootprint lasting long if North Korea make it up there.</p><p>You think those were nuclear missiles they were firing? North Korea are planning the worlds first single stage rocket 'landing' on the moon, with their great leader strapped to the front because he is so awesome he can actually reduce drag.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't imagine the bootprint lasting long if North Korea make it up there.You think those were nuclear missiles they were firing ?
North Korea are planning the worlds first single stage rocket 'landing ' on the moon , with their great leader strapped to the front because he is so awesome he can actually reduce drag .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't imagine the bootprint lasting long if North Korea make it up there.You think those were nuclear missiles they were firing?
North Korea are planning the worlds first single stage rocket 'landing' on the moon, with their great leader strapped to the front because he is so awesome he can actually reduce drag.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220867</id>
	<title>Who cares what a graduate student thinks?</title>
	<author>Rastl</author>
	<datestamp>1244209260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This whole stupid idea was in an LA paper and written by a graduate student who has done 'research on cultural heritage in space'.  What a load of crap.</p><p>The US Government retains ownership of anything they sent to the moon so if someone did make the trip and suddenly there were a bunch of Apollo items up for sale I think we all know what would happen.</p><p>The Apollo 11 landing site is an important historical landmark.  There's no question about that.  Until it can be properly protected, if it should be properly protected, then I agree with a number of posters who think it should be left alone.  And when I say left alone I mean 'do not approach within X meters' so that the site is reasonably uncontaminated.  That's just good sense.</p><p>I'm simply appalled that some crap-ass ideas of a graduate student are getting this much attention.  If NASA, Neil, or any of that crew were making the statements then I might have a different opinion but for now this chick either needs to get her head back into the books and keep it there where she can't bother us or get some actual credentials so she has something to back up her 'concerns'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This whole stupid idea was in an LA paper and written by a graduate student who has done 'research on cultural heritage in space' .
What a load of crap.The US Government retains ownership of anything they sent to the moon so if someone did make the trip and suddenly there were a bunch of Apollo items up for sale I think we all know what would happen.The Apollo 11 landing site is an important historical landmark .
There 's no question about that .
Until it can be properly protected , if it should be properly protected , then I agree with a number of posters who think it should be left alone .
And when I say left alone I mean 'do not approach within X meters ' so that the site is reasonably uncontaminated .
That 's just good sense.I 'm simply appalled that some crap-ass ideas of a graduate student are getting this much attention .
If NASA , Neil , or any of that crew were making the statements then I might have a different opinion but for now this chick either needs to get her head back into the books and keep it there where she ca n't bother us or get some actual credentials so she has something to back up her 'concerns' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This whole stupid idea was in an LA paper and written by a graduate student who has done 'research on cultural heritage in space'.
What a load of crap.The US Government retains ownership of anything they sent to the moon so if someone did make the trip and suddenly there were a bunch of Apollo items up for sale I think we all know what would happen.The Apollo 11 landing site is an important historical landmark.
There's no question about that.
Until it can be properly protected, if it should be properly protected, then I agree with a number of posters who think it should be left alone.
And when I say left alone I mean 'do not approach within X meters' so that the site is reasonably uncontaminated.
That's just good sense.I'm simply appalled that some crap-ass ideas of a graduate student are getting this much attention.
If NASA, Neil, or any of that crew were making the statements then I might have a different opinion but for now this chick either needs to get her head back into the books and keep it there where she can't bother us or get some actual credentials so she has something to back up her 'concerns'.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220415</id>
	<title>Re:Ugh</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1244205660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NIMBYs? There are people living on the Moon who don't want landings near them? I don't think so.</p><p>You can debate the value of historical sites all you like, but I don't see what NIMBYism has to do with anything. Last time I looked, the Moon wasn't in anyone's back yard.</p><p><i>It is a shame that some people exist merely to hold the rest of us back from our ideal Star Trek future with green alien babes.</i></p><p>On the contrary, their viewpoint is looking forward to a time when people might visit or live on the Moon, and the first human landing site would be a natural place of great historical importance. It's those people saying "Who cares, no one can go there" who don't seem to be looking towards the future.</p><p>Unless you have a specific desire to engage with alien babes <i>on the Apollo landing site</i> as opposed to anywhere else on the entire Moon, I don't see the problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NIMBYs ?
There are people living on the Moon who do n't want landings near them ?
I do n't think so.You can debate the value of historical sites all you like , but I do n't see what NIMBYism has to do with anything .
Last time I looked , the Moon was n't in anyone 's back yard.It is a shame that some people exist merely to hold the rest of us back from our ideal Star Trek future with green alien babes.On the contrary , their viewpoint is looking forward to a time when people might visit or live on the Moon , and the first human landing site would be a natural place of great historical importance .
It 's those people saying " Who cares , no one can go there " who do n't seem to be looking towards the future.Unless you have a specific desire to engage with alien babes on the Apollo landing site as opposed to anywhere else on the entire Moon , I do n't see the problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NIMBYs?
There are people living on the Moon who don't want landings near them?
I don't think so.You can debate the value of historical sites all you like, but I don't see what NIMBYism has to do with anything.
Last time I looked, the Moon wasn't in anyone's back yard.It is a shame that some people exist merely to hold the rest of us back from our ideal Star Trek future with green alien babes.On the contrary, their viewpoint is looking forward to a time when people might visit or live on the Moon, and the first human landing site would be a natural place of great historical importance.
It's those people saying "Who cares, no one can go there" who don't seem to be looking towards the future.Unless you have a specific desire to engage with alien babes on the Apollo landing site as opposed to anywhere else on the entire Moon, I don't see the problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219187</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219787</id>
	<title>Re:Idolatry</title>
	<author>Ma8thew</author>
	<datestamp>1244198040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe if previous generations in history hadn't had this attitude, we would know more about them today. Some day, many years from now, people may wish we had preserved the place man first walked on the moon. Guess what, all archeological sites were at one point places where there was 'nothing to discover'.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe if previous generations in history had n't had this attitude , we would know more about them today .
Some day , many years from now , people may wish we had preserved the place man first walked on the moon .
Guess what , all archeological sites were at one point places where there was 'nothing to discover' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe if previous generations in history hadn't had this attitude, we would know more about them today.
Some day, many years from now, people may wish we had preserved the place man first walked on the moon.
Guess what, all archeological sites were at one point places where there was 'nothing to discover'.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219209</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219839</id>
	<title>Bonus and team ./</title>
	<author>tagno25</author>
	<datestamp>1244198880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>BONUSES: An additional $5 million in bonus prizes can be won by successfully completing additional mission tasks such as roving longer distances (&gt; 5,000 meters), imaging man made artifacts (e.g. Apollo hardware), discovering water ice, and/or surviving through a frigid lunar night (approximately 14.5 Earth days). The competing lunar spacecraft will be equipped with high-definition video and still cameras, and will send images and data to Earth, which the public will be able to view on the Google Lunar X PRIZE website.</p></div><p>1. have multiple mini rovers that move 1km
2. take a call phone up and use it to send a cell call to earth as well a post on twitter for even more bonus prizes (or take up an earth fossil)
3. take a watter bottle up
4. completely shutdown at night or have a nuclear reactor to generate heat

Only HD not SHD (like the manned missions)?

Does anybody on Slashdot want to create our own team?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>BONUSES : An additional $ 5 million in bonus prizes can be won by successfully completing additional mission tasks such as roving longer distances ( &gt; 5,000 meters ) , imaging man made artifacts ( e.g .
Apollo hardware ) , discovering water ice , and/or surviving through a frigid lunar night ( approximately 14.5 Earth days ) .
The competing lunar spacecraft will be equipped with high-definition video and still cameras , and will send images and data to Earth , which the public will be able to view on the Google Lunar X PRIZE website.1 .
have multiple mini rovers that move 1km 2. take a call phone up and use it to send a cell call to earth as well a post on twitter for even more bonus prizes ( or take up an earth fossil ) 3. take a watter bottle up 4. completely shutdown at night or have a nuclear reactor to generate heat Only HD not SHD ( like the manned missions ) ?
Does anybody on Slashdot want to create our own team ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BONUSES: An additional $5 million in bonus prizes can be won by successfully completing additional mission tasks such as roving longer distances (&gt; 5,000 meters), imaging man made artifacts (e.g.
Apollo hardware), discovering water ice, and/or surviving through a frigid lunar night (approximately 14.5 Earth days).
The competing lunar spacecraft will be equipped with high-definition video and still cameras, and will send images and data to Earth, which the public will be able to view on the Google Lunar X PRIZE website.1.
have multiple mini rovers that move 1km
2. take a call phone up and use it to send a cell call to earth as well a post on twitter for even more bonus prizes (or take up an earth fossil)
3. take a watter bottle up
4. completely shutdown at night or have a nuclear reactor to generate heat

Only HD not SHD (like the manned missions)?
Does anybody on Slashdot want to create our own team?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219807</id>
	<title>this guy is a wackjob</title>
	<author>z\_gringo</author>
	<datestamp>1244198340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure those sites are important, but trying to ban anyone from ever landing within 100km of the site is absurd.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure those sites are important , but trying to ban anyone from ever landing within 100km of the site is absurd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure those sites are important, but trying to ban anyone from ever landing within 100km of the site is absurd.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219257</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244233200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have pictures, right.<br>But aren't the original NASA shots lost or something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have pictures , right.But are n't the original NASA shots lost or something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have pictures, right.But aren't the original NASA shots lost or something?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219645</id>
	<title>Lunar environmentalism</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1244195520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nothing wrong here, just environmentalists doing their thing.  They also think we should stop exploring Mars, as we might disturb the environment there, too.  They view space exploration as nothing more than a virus looking for new hosts to infect.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing wrong here , just environmentalists doing their thing .
They also think we should stop exploring Mars , as we might disturb the environment there , too .
They view space exploration as nothing more than a virus looking for new hosts to infect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing wrong here, just environmentalists doing their thing.
They also think we should stop exploring Mars, as we might disturb the environment there, too.
They view space exploration as nothing more than a virus looking for new hosts to infect.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221971</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>VikingBerserker</author>
	<datestamp>1244214840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that it should be preserved, but there is room for discussion on how to preserve them.</p><p>Consider the case of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth\_Rock" title="wikipedia.org">Plymouth Rock</a> [wikipedia.org].  Taught in American schools as where the Pilgrims first set foot in the New World, it's really a shadow of its former self.  Not only is it much smaller than it was, due to a few hundred years of people chipping off souvenirs, but it's even been dragged across town, so it's not in its original location!</p><p>Worse still, Plymouth isn't even where the Pilgrims first landed.  They landed in Provincetown, and did some exploring along Cape Cod before settling in Plymouth.</p><p>How will the future see the significance of Apollo 11?  Is only the base of the lander significant?  Will it end up in the Smithsonian Air &amp; Space Museum?  Or will the lunar soil and footprints bee seen as significant as well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that it should be preserved , but there is room for discussion on how to preserve them.Consider the case of Plymouth Rock [ wikipedia.org ] .
Taught in American schools as where the Pilgrims first set foot in the New World , it 's really a shadow of its former self .
Not only is it much smaller than it was , due to a few hundred years of people chipping off souvenirs , but it 's even been dragged across town , so it 's not in its original location ! Worse still , Plymouth is n't even where the Pilgrims first landed .
They landed in Provincetown , and did some exploring along Cape Cod before settling in Plymouth.How will the future see the significance of Apollo 11 ?
Is only the base of the lander significant ?
Will it end up in the Smithsonian Air &amp; Space Museum ?
Or will the lunar soil and footprints bee seen as significant as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that it should be preserved, but there is room for discussion on how to preserve them.Consider the case of Plymouth Rock [wikipedia.org].
Taught in American schools as where the Pilgrims first set foot in the New World, it's really a shadow of its former self.
Not only is it much smaller than it was, due to a few hundred years of people chipping off souvenirs, but it's even been dragged across town, so it's not in its original location!Worse still, Plymouth isn't even where the Pilgrims first landed.
They landed in Provincetown, and did some exploring along Cape Cod before settling in Plymouth.How will the future see the significance of Apollo 11?
Is only the base of the lander significant?
Will it end up in the Smithsonian Air &amp; Space Museum?
Or will the lunar soil and footprints bee seen as significant as well?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219829</id>
	<title>Protect what ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244198760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You cannot protect something that does not exists, remember it was all setup in a studio ! America and Truth does not mix.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can not protect something that does not exists , remember it was all setup in a studio !
America and Truth does not mix .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You cannot protect something that does not exists, remember it was all setup in a studio !
America and Truth does not mix.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220371</id>
	<title>Re:Uhhh....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244205300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I distinctly remember seeing the print disappear in the film clip 4th of July.  Seems like the vibrations of the approaching space ship had some thing to do with it.  Then with the explosion of said ship I would guess that the flag and also the other equipment would have sustained damage, but then if the film clip from Wall-E can be entered as proof B&amp;L landed and built their flashing billboard close to the landing site and left the used equipment alone and intact.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I distinctly remember seeing the print disappear in the film clip 4th of July .
Seems like the vibrations of the approaching space ship had some thing to do with it .
Then with the explosion of said ship I would guess that the flag and also the other equipment would have sustained damage , but then if the film clip from Wall-E can be entered as proof B&amp;L landed and built their flashing billboard close to the landing site and left the used equipment alone and intact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I distinctly remember seeing the print disappear in the film clip 4th of July.
Seems like the vibrations of the approaching space ship had some thing to do with it.
Then with the explosion of said ship I would guess that the flag and also the other equipment would have sustained damage, but then if the film clip from Wall-E can be entered as proof B&amp;L landed and built their flashing billboard close to the landing site and left the used equipment alone and intact.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219775</id>
	<title>this is so immoral</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244197860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The X-prize is so immoral. To think that while some starve, one group of people can become so rich as to invest in this sort of folly.</p><p>Cue fat nerds who have never experienced hardship explaining why the poor should die and why this is actually more important than saving human lives back on earth.</p><p>Bill Gates has the right idea of what to do when you have too much money. He is doing so much good right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The X-prize is so immoral .
To think that while some starve , one group of people can become so rich as to invest in this sort of folly.Cue fat nerds who have never experienced hardship explaining why the poor should die and why this is actually more important than saving human lives back on earth.Bill Gates has the right idea of what to do when you have too much money .
He is doing so much good right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The X-prize is so immoral.
To think that while some starve, one group of people can become so rich as to invest in this sort of folly.Cue fat nerds who have never experienced hardship explaining why the poor should die and why this is actually more important than saving human lives back on earth.Bill Gates has the right idea of what to do when you have too much money.
He is doing so much good right now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219323</id>
	<title>Bletchley Park</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244234100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, do you feel the same about Bletchley Park?  It's not a simple question.  There ARE things we sometimes like to see preserved for the awe inspiring value they have for posterity.  I don't know about all the sites on the moon but I'd vote for the first landing site of anything ever (Russian?) and the spot where a human being first walked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , do you feel the same about Bletchley Park ?
It 's not a simple question .
There ARE things we sometimes like to see preserved for the awe inspiring value they have for posterity .
I do n't know about all the sites on the moon but I 'd vote for the first landing site of anything ever ( Russian ?
) and the spot where a human being first walked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, do you feel the same about Bletchley Park?
It's not a simple question.
There ARE things we sometimes like to see preserved for the awe inspiring value they have for posterity.
I don't know about all the sites on the moon but I'd vote for the first landing site of anything ever (Russian?
) and the spot where a human being first walked.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220691</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Cowmonaut</author>
	<datestamp>1244207880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So to show how NOT authoritarian we are you had best help your country and start tagging!  America needs YOU to to spray Baby Jesus riding a Dinosaur on the backwall of Applebees!</htmltext>
<tokenext>So to show how NOT authoritarian we are you had best help your country and start tagging !
America needs YOU to to spray Baby Jesus riding a Dinosaur on the backwall of Applebees !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So to show how NOT authoritarian we are you had best help your country and start tagging!
America needs YOU to to spray Baby Jesus riding a Dinosaur on the backwall of Applebees!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220435</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219547</id>
	<title>Re:Uhhh....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244194020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or even by Armstrongs other foot.  Or by the same foot on the way back in to the lander.<br>Or by either of Aldrins two feet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or even by Armstrongs other foot .
Or by the same foot on the way back in to the lander.Or by either of Aldrins two feet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or even by Armstrongs other foot.
Or by the same foot on the way back in to the lander.Or by either of Aldrins two feet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219523</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244193720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't believe the current trend of comments regarding this story. Of course it should be fucking preserved. Yes, one day the footprint will disappear. I don't see any reason to accelerate natural processes though. It's kind of the same as graffiti artists (vandals) spray painting their names all over the Grand Canyon. Why should we waste our time trying to stop them, it's going to erode away anyway?</p><p>
&nbsp; </p><p><div class="quote"><p>What if nobody as allowed to visit the beach of Columbus's first landing sites?</p></div><p>What if they did? Your sheltered life would probably be no worse off.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe the current trend of comments regarding this story .
Of course it should be fucking preserved .
Yes , one day the footprint will disappear .
I do n't see any reason to accelerate natural processes though .
It 's kind of the same as graffiti artists ( vandals ) spray painting their names all over the Grand Canyon .
Why should we waste our time trying to stop them , it 's going to erode away anyway ?
  What if nobody as allowed to visit the beach of Columbus 's first landing sites ? What if they did ?
Your sheltered life would probably be no worse off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe the current trend of comments regarding this story.
Of course it should be fucking preserved.
Yes, one day the footprint will disappear.
I don't see any reason to accelerate natural processes though.
It's kind of the same as graffiti artists (vandals) spray painting their names all over the Grand Canyon.
Why should we waste our time trying to stop them, it's going to erode away anyway?
  What if nobody as allowed to visit the beach of Columbus's first landing sites?What if they did?
Your sheltered life would probably be no worse off.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28228965</id>
	<title>Re:Bletchley Park</title>
	<author>R3d M3rcury</author>
	<datestamp>1244206380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't know about all the sites on the moon but I'd vote for the first landing site of anything ever (Russian?) and the spot where a human being first walked.</p></div><p>Okay.  Fair enough.  How about the first landing on the moon, accomplished by Luna 9 (February 3, 1966)?  How about the first wheeled vehicle on the moon (Lunokhod 1, November 17, 1970)?  Does the ban include both the landing site and the final resting place of the vehicle (about 10 KM away?)</p><p>I don't necessarily have a problem with preserving the Apollo 11 landing site.  But I think it will be just as awe inspiring with a rover track running across the footprints.  And it would be just as awe-inspiring to see it in 2012 through the eyes of a rover as it would be to see it in person.</p><p>If I was in the X-Prize, I might avoid the Apollo 11 landing site.  But how about Apollo 12, 14, 15, 16, 17?  How about Surveyor 5, 6, and 7?  Luna 13, 16, 20, 21 (and, if you can find it, Lunokhod 2), and 24?  Heck, if I had the skill, it might be interesting to visit some of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranger\_program" title="wikipedia.org">Ranger</a> [wikipedia.org] crash sites and see if there's any man-made debris from those lying around.</p><p>I'll agree that even if we avoided the "first" sites, I still think there's plenty of man-made stuff to send back images of and win the bonus money for the X-Prize.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about all the sites on the moon but I 'd vote for the first landing site of anything ever ( Russian ?
) and the spot where a human being first walked.Okay .
Fair enough .
How about the first landing on the moon , accomplished by Luna 9 ( February 3 , 1966 ) ?
How about the first wheeled vehicle on the moon ( Lunokhod 1 , November 17 , 1970 ) ?
Does the ban include both the landing site and the final resting place of the vehicle ( about 10 KM away ?
) I do n't necessarily have a problem with preserving the Apollo 11 landing site .
But I think it will be just as awe inspiring with a rover track running across the footprints .
And it would be just as awe-inspiring to see it in 2012 through the eyes of a rover as it would be to see it in person.If I was in the X-Prize , I might avoid the Apollo 11 landing site .
But how about Apollo 12 , 14 , 15 , 16 , 17 ?
How about Surveyor 5 , 6 , and 7 ?
Luna 13 , 16 , 20 , 21 ( and , if you can find it , Lunokhod 2 ) , and 24 ?
Heck , if I had the skill , it might be interesting to visit some of the Ranger [ wikipedia.org ] crash sites and see if there 's any man-made debris from those lying around.I 'll agree that even if we avoided the " first " sites , I still think there 's plenty of man-made stuff to send back images of and win the bonus money for the X-Prize .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about all the sites on the moon but I'd vote for the first landing site of anything ever (Russian?
) and the spot where a human being first walked.Okay.
Fair enough.
How about the first landing on the moon, accomplished by Luna 9 (February 3, 1966)?
How about the first wheeled vehicle on the moon (Lunokhod 1, November 17, 1970)?
Does the ban include both the landing site and the final resting place of the vehicle (about 10 KM away?
)I don't necessarily have a problem with preserving the Apollo 11 landing site.
But I think it will be just as awe inspiring with a rover track running across the footprints.
And it would be just as awe-inspiring to see it in 2012 through the eyes of a rover as it would be to see it in person.If I was in the X-Prize, I might avoid the Apollo 11 landing site.
But how about Apollo 12, 14, 15, 16, 17?
How about Surveyor 5, 6, and 7?
Luna 13, 16, 20, 21 (and, if you can find it, Lunokhod 2), and 24?
Heck, if I had the skill, it might be interesting to visit some of the Ranger [wikipedia.org] crash sites and see if there's any man-made debris from those lying around.I'll agree that even if we avoided the "first" sites, I still think there's plenty of man-made stuff to send back images of and win the bonus money for the X-Prize.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28223263</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded, and more than you think</title>
	<author>CmpterJones</author>
	<datestamp>1244219940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The photo you're thinking of isn't the first step on the moon. It wasn't even Armstrong's boot that did it. That photo was part of an experiment that Aldrin carried out. He first photographed the area, stepped in it, then photographed his footprint to document the properties of the lunar soil.

The first footprint was immediately damaged/erased when Armstrong finished getting off the ladder. Not to mention when Aldrin climbed-down next.

Then, when the ascent stage launched, you can definitely see dust having been displaced. The force even knocked-down the flag they placed (I can't find the video, I'm at work, but it's out there). On future missions, they decided to place the flag further from the lander due to this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The photo you 're thinking of is n't the first step on the moon .
It was n't even Armstrong 's boot that did it .
That photo was part of an experiment that Aldrin carried out .
He first photographed the area , stepped in it , then photographed his footprint to document the properties of the lunar soil .
The first footprint was immediately damaged/erased when Armstrong finished getting off the ladder .
Not to mention when Aldrin climbed-down next .
Then , when the ascent stage launched , you can definitely see dust having been displaced .
The force even knocked-down the flag they placed ( I ca n't find the video , I 'm at work , but it 's out there ) .
On future missions , they decided to place the flag further from the lander due to this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The photo you're thinking of isn't the first step on the moon.
It wasn't even Armstrong's boot that did it.
That photo was part of an experiment that Aldrin carried out.
He first photographed the area, stepped in it, then photographed his footprint to document the properties of the lunar soil.
The first footprint was immediately damaged/erased when Armstrong finished getting off the ladder.
Not to mention when Aldrin climbed-down next.
Then, when the ascent stage launched, you can definitely see dust having been displaced.
The force even knocked-down the flag they placed (I can't find the video, I'm at work, but it's out there).
On future missions, they decided to place the flag further from the lander due to this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220005</id>
	<title>Anyone else remember...</title>
	<author>dugrrr</author>
	<datestamp>1244200800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... <a href="http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/9782/salvage1.html" title="geocities.com" rel="nofollow">Salvage 1</a> [geocities.com] ?

That stuff's gotta be worth something.  What's a few years of R&amp;D, a few tons of fuel and some venture capital by comparison?</htmltext>
<tokenext>... Salvage 1 [ geocities.com ] ?
That stuff 's got ta be worth something .
What 's a few years of R&amp;D , a few tons of fuel and some venture capital by comparison ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Salvage 1 [geocities.com] ?
That stuff's gotta be worth something.
What's a few years of R&amp;D, a few tons of fuel and some venture capital by comparison?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28226717</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>bwcbwc</author>
	<datestamp>1244234820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>... Besides, it's stupid to think that Armstrong and Aldrin wouldn't have messed up the first footprint since it was, you know, right at the bottom of the ladder and in a high traffic area.</p></div><p>Not to mention the rocket blast when the upper portion of the LEM returned to orbit.</p><p>On the other hand, we're talking about a bunch of teams including amateurs and semi-pros that may have less than perfect aim over distance of 230,000 miles or so. It would be a shame if someone crashed into the base of one of the LEMS or one of the moon buggies.  Best way would probably be to require the pictures to be taken from lunar orbit or from a distance of no less than 10 km. That would prevent attempts to land virtually on top of one of the historic sites.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... Besides , it 's stupid to think that Armstrong and Aldrin would n't have messed up the first footprint since it was , you know , right at the bottom of the ladder and in a high traffic area.Not to mention the rocket blast when the upper portion of the LEM returned to orbit.On the other hand , we 're talking about a bunch of teams including amateurs and semi-pros that may have less than perfect aim over distance of 230,000 miles or so .
It would be a shame if someone crashed into the base of one of the LEMS or one of the moon buggies .
Best way would probably be to require the pictures to be taken from lunar orbit or from a distance of no less than 10 km .
That would prevent attempts to land virtually on top of one of the historic sites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Besides, it's stupid to think that Armstrong and Aldrin wouldn't have messed up the first footprint since it was, you know, right at the bottom of the ladder and in a high traffic area.Not to mention the rocket blast when the upper portion of the LEM returned to orbit.On the other hand, we're talking about a bunch of teams including amateurs and semi-pros that may have less than perfect aim over distance of 230,000 miles or so.
It would be a shame if someone crashed into the base of one of the LEMS or one of the moon buggies.
Best way would probably be to require the pictures to be taken from lunar orbit or from a distance of no less than 10 km.
That would prevent attempts to land virtually on top of one of the historic sites.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221923</id>
	<title>Re:Idolatry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244214600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is ridiculous idolatry. It's not like there is something we *don't* know about these events, there is nothing to discover there, and hence nothing to protect, as opposed to an archeological site.</p></div><p>What about how the lunar environment REALLY affects man-made structures over time?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... or do you think simulations are good enough?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is ridiculous idolatry .
It 's not like there is something we * do n't * know about these events , there is nothing to discover there , and hence nothing to protect , as opposed to an archeological site.What about how the lunar environment REALLY affects man-made structures over time ?
... or do you think simulations are good enough ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is ridiculous idolatry.
It's not like there is something we *don't* know about these events, there is nothing to discover there, and hence nothing to protect, as opposed to an archeological site.What about how the lunar environment REALLY affects man-made structures over time?
... or do you think simulations are good enough?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28355069</id>
	<title>Re:Chinese Policy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245154200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no "light-side" of the moon.  Or more accurately, there is no side of the moon which is constantly light, the moon rotates approximately once every 28 days (if you want the exact figure look it up, it is close to, but not quite the same as the time it takes to orbit the Earth).  This means the logo/word won't stay in the same place (from our perspective) and won't even be visible a lot of the time.  It'd probably be simpler, better and cheaper to just project the logo/word onto the moon somehow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no " light-side " of the moon .
Or more accurately , there is no side of the moon which is constantly light , the moon rotates approximately once every 28 days ( if you want the exact figure look it up , it is close to , but not quite the same as the time it takes to orbit the Earth ) .
This means the logo/word wo n't stay in the same place ( from our perspective ) and wo n't even be visible a lot of the time .
It 'd probably be simpler , better and cheaper to just project the logo/word onto the moon somehow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no "light-side" of the moon.
Or more accurately, there is no side of the moon which is constantly light, the moon rotates approximately once every 28 days (if you want the exact figure look it up, it is close to, but not quite the same as the time it takes to orbit the Earth).
This means the logo/word won't stay in the same place (from our perspective) and won't even be visible a lot of the time.
It'd probably be simpler, better and cheaper to just project the logo/word onto the moon somehow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219125</id>
	<title>That's retarded</title>
	<author>*no comment*</author>
	<datestamp>1244145060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have a picture of it right?  Seriously what if every time somebody did something new that spot was forbidden to be stepped on again? asinine.  What if nobody as allowed to visit the beach of Columbus's first landing sites?  BFD, send a plaque or something and stop wasting your time worrying about whether a footprint is going to disappear someday. It will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have a picture of it right ?
Seriously what if every time somebody did something new that spot was forbidden to be stepped on again ?
asinine. What if nobody as allowed to visit the beach of Columbus 's first landing sites ?
BFD , send a plaque or something and stop wasting your time worrying about whether a footprint is going to disappear someday .
It will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have a picture of it right?
Seriously what if every time somebody did something new that spot was forbidden to be stepped on again?
asinine.  What if nobody as allowed to visit the beach of Columbus's first landing sites?
BFD, send a plaque or something and stop wasting your time worrying about whether a footprint is going to disappear someday.
It will.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28224451</id>
	<title>Riiiiiiight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244224440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seeing as no party independent of NASA has ever documented evidence of the Apollo moon landings (at least publicly), I see this as a simple ploy to continue this legacy.</p><p>But hey, I'm one of those whackos who doubts we actually walked on the moon and to me, this just adds weight to that possibility since it seems to be further obfuscation.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/back to ATS I go!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seeing as no party independent of NASA has ever documented evidence of the Apollo moon landings ( at least publicly ) , I see this as a simple ploy to continue this legacy.But hey , I 'm one of those whackos who doubts we actually walked on the moon and to me , this just adds weight to that possibility since it seems to be further obfuscation .
/back to ATS I go !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seeing as no party independent of NASA has ever documented evidence of the Apollo moon landings (at least publicly), I see this as a simple ploy to continue this legacy.But hey, I'm one of those whackos who doubts we actually walked on the moon and to me, this just adds weight to that possibility since it seems to be further obfuscation.
/back to ATS I go!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221661</id>
	<title>Re:Bletchley Park</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244213400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bletchley Park is on Earth where humans have always lived. On Earth, we humans need to take special pains to preserve places because land is at a premium. We tend to want old things removed around here because we want to use the land for something else. On the Moon, all we need to do is say 'Hey, try not to mess that site up too much' because Moon land is difficult to get to and there is a lot to go around considering we are literally just LOOKING AT IT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bletchley Park is on Earth where humans have always lived .
On Earth , we humans need to take special pains to preserve places because land is at a premium .
We tend to want old things removed around here because we want to use the land for something else .
On the Moon , all we need to do is say 'Hey , try not to mess that site up too much ' because Moon land is difficult to get to and there is a lot to go around considering we are literally just LOOKING AT IT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bletchley Park is on Earth where humans have always lived.
On Earth, we humans need to take special pains to preserve places because land is at a premium.
We tend to want old things removed around here because we want to use the land for something else.
On the Moon, all we need to do is say 'Hey, try not to mess that site up too much' because Moon land is difficult to get to and there is a lot to go around considering we are literally just LOOKING AT IT.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219499</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244193480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Columbus's first foot print isn't still there...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Columbus 's first foot print is n't still there.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Columbus's first foot print isn't still there...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220009</id>
	<title>The Take Off</title>
	<author>missileman</author>
	<datestamp>1244200800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When the Apollo 11 LEM took off from the surface of the moon, the blast would have obliterated any footprints in the area, In fact the US flag was knocked over flat according to the astronauts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the Apollo 11 LEM took off from the surface of the moon , the blast would have obliterated any footprints in the area , In fact the US flag was knocked over flat according to the astronauts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the Apollo 11 LEM took off from the surface of the moon, the blast would have obliterated any footprints in the area, In fact the US flag was knocked over flat according to the astronauts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219983</id>
	<title>Is this a trick question? ...been there, done that</title>
	<author>sagman</author>
	<datestamp>1244200620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey all,</p><p>We've already visited one former Surveyor site: Apollo 12 astronaut Pete Conrad visited the Surveyor 3 spacecraft in November of 1969 -- check out the stereo picture:</p><p>http://www.nasaimages.org/luna/servlet/detail/NVA2~4~4~4237~104763:Apollo---Surveyor-Stereo-View</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey all,We 've already visited one former Surveyor site : Apollo 12 astronaut Pete Conrad visited the Surveyor 3 spacecraft in November of 1969 -- check out the stereo picture : http : //www.nasaimages.org/luna/servlet/detail/NVA2 ~ 4 ~ 4 ~ 4237 ~ 104763 : Apollo---Surveyor-Stereo-View</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey all,We've already visited one former Surveyor site: Apollo 12 astronaut Pete Conrad visited the Surveyor 3 spacecraft in November of 1969 -- check out the stereo picture:http://www.nasaimages.org/luna/servlet/detail/NVA2~4~4~4237~104763:Apollo---Surveyor-Stereo-View</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219589</id>
	<title>Here we go again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244194440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope that I'm not the only one that is fed up with this modern approach to trying to preserve everything we ever do. Why can't we be happy with the knowledge that we did it? If I got a chance to see the first boot print on the moon I'd jump at it but would my life be any worse if that boot print accidentally got driven over, hardly. I'm not advocating that we should go out of our way to erase history just let it take care of itself.</p><p>

I'd bet that 99.999\% of the population probably didn't even realize that there was a first boot print still up there and now they will get all up in arms because it might at some point in the future get erased. Sigh. Give me a solution to world hunger, fusion power and a decent internet connection first and then I'll care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope that I 'm not the only one that is fed up with this modern approach to trying to preserve everything we ever do .
Why ca n't we be happy with the knowledge that we did it ?
If I got a chance to see the first boot print on the moon I 'd jump at it but would my life be any worse if that boot print accidentally got driven over , hardly .
I 'm not advocating that we should go out of our way to erase history just let it take care of itself .
I 'd bet that 99.999 \ % of the population probably did n't even realize that there was a first boot print still up there and now they will get all up in arms because it might at some point in the future get erased .
Sigh. Give me a solution to world hunger , fusion power and a decent internet connection first and then I 'll care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope that I'm not the only one that is fed up with this modern approach to trying to preserve everything we ever do.
Why can't we be happy with the knowledge that we did it?
If I got a chance to see the first boot print on the moon I'd jump at it but would my life be any worse if that boot print accidentally got driven over, hardly.
I'm not advocating that we should go out of our way to erase history just let it take care of itself.
I'd bet that 99.999\% of the population probably didn't even realize that there was a first boot print still up there and now they will get all up in arms because it might at some point in the future get erased.
Sigh. Give me a solution to world hunger, fusion power and a decent internet connection first and then I'll care.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220551</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244206800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ever read \_A Canticle for Leibowitz\_?  It's one of my favorites, particularly because it pokes fun at our tendency to sanctify the innocuous.  In the book an ancient relic is found, something from antiquity. Turns out to be a shopping list from a guy who works a 9 to 5 job.  There's another short story called "Motel of the Mysteries" that does a similar thing, except that toilet seats become some ancient religious headdressing.</p><p>The knowledge is what we need to hold dear, not the artifacts created in search of that knowledge. It's nice in a saccharine sort of way to have tangible evidence of where someone stood, but the real treasure is what that person did. If we sanctify the artifacts we tend to lose sight of the knowledge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever read \ _A Canticle for Leibowitz \ _ ?
It 's one of my favorites , particularly because it pokes fun at our tendency to sanctify the innocuous .
In the book an ancient relic is found , something from antiquity .
Turns out to be a shopping list from a guy who works a 9 to 5 job .
There 's another short story called " Motel of the Mysteries " that does a similar thing , except that toilet seats become some ancient religious headdressing.The knowledge is what we need to hold dear , not the artifacts created in search of that knowledge .
It 's nice in a saccharine sort of way to have tangible evidence of where someone stood , but the real treasure is what that person did .
If we sanctify the artifacts we tend to lose sight of the knowledge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever read \_A Canticle for Leibowitz\_?
It's one of my favorites, particularly because it pokes fun at our tendency to sanctify the innocuous.
In the book an ancient relic is found, something from antiquity.
Turns out to be a shopping list from a guy who works a 9 to 5 job.
There's another short story called "Motel of the Mysteries" that does a similar thing, except that toilet seats become some ancient religious headdressing.The knowledge is what we need to hold dear, not the artifacts created in search of that knowledge.
It's nice in a saccharine sort of way to have tangible evidence of where someone stood, but the real treasure is what that person did.
If we sanctify the artifacts we tend to lose sight of the knowledge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221131</id>
	<title>RANSOM!</title>
	<author>BubbaDave</author>
	<datestamp>1244210880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What, I'm the 1st to think of demanding a ransom for *not* wiping out the footprints?</p><p>Dave</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What , I 'm the 1st to think of demanding a ransom for * not * wiping out the footprints ? Dave</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What, I'm the 1st to think of demanding a ransom for *not* wiping out the footprints?Dave</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28231865</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Nyder</author>
	<datestamp>1244294040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no, seriously wasting money preserving something like that is stupid.</p><p>Sure, maybe if back in the day they took an imprint of it or something, but now?</p><p>While I'm all up for remembering and learning from history, I'm am not up for saving very little piece of it.  Sheesh, i mean, seriously, what good is it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no , seriously wasting money preserving something like that is stupid.Sure , maybe if back in the day they took an imprint of it or something , but now ? While I 'm all up for remembering and learning from history , I 'm am not up for saving very little piece of it .
Sheesh , i mean , seriously , what good is it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no, seriously wasting money preserving something like that is stupid.Sure, maybe if back in the day they took an imprint of it or something, but now?While I'm all up for remembering and learning from history, I'm am not up for saving very little piece of it.
Sheesh, i mean, seriously, what good is it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222747</id>
	<title>Preserve it, but not for the reason most think...</title>
	<author>HikingStick</author>
	<datestamp>1244218080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd be in favor of protecting the sites, but not as a means of protecting the evidences and artifacts of the earlier activities of themselves.  I believe the real opportunity here would be to inspect and test the area to see if any measurable amounts of dust or other materials have settled on the previous tracks and artifacts.  If properly measured, and since our last activity dates on the moon are known, it would provide a very interesting set of data regarding dust and sedimentary movement on the surface of the moon.  With micro-gravity and (depending on your view) a trace atmosphere (one that does not well-protect against solar winds and magnetic influences), we could learn much more about the moon.  Who knows? Maybe there are faint winds that were not measurable by then-contemporary measurement devices.  Perhaps solar wind is able to affect particles on the surface.  Our knowledge of the moon is still quite limited.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd be in favor of protecting the sites , but not as a means of protecting the evidences and artifacts of the earlier activities of themselves .
I believe the real opportunity here would be to inspect and test the area to see if any measurable amounts of dust or other materials have settled on the previous tracks and artifacts .
If properly measured , and since our last activity dates on the moon are known , it would provide a very interesting set of data regarding dust and sedimentary movement on the surface of the moon .
With micro-gravity and ( depending on your view ) a trace atmosphere ( one that does not well-protect against solar winds and magnetic influences ) , we could learn much more about the moon .
Who knows ?
Maybe there are faint winds that were not measurable by then-contemporary measurement devices .
Perhaps solar wind is able to affect particles on the surface .
Our knowledge of the moon is still quite limited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd be in favor of protecting the sites, but not as a means of protecting the evidences and artifacts of the earlier activities of themselves.
I believe the real opportunity here would be to inspect and test the area to see if any measurable amounts of dust or other materials have settled on the previous tracks and artifacts.
If properly measured, and since our last activity dates on the moon are known, it would provide a very interesting set of data regarding dust and sedimentary movement on the surface of the moon.
With micro-gravity and (depending on your view) a trace atmosphere (one that does not well-protect against solar winds and magnetic influences), we could learn much more about the moon.
Who knows?
Maybe there are faint winds that were not measurable by then-contemporary measurement devices.
Perhaps solar wind is able to affect particles on the surface.
Our knowledge of the moon is still quite limited.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219255</id>
	<title>Uhhh....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244233200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first bootprint was likely obliterated by the lunar ascent engine exhaust on the way out.  Hello!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first bootprint was likely obliterated by the lunar ascent engine exhaust on the way out .
Hello !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first bootprint was likely obliterated by the lunar ascent engine exhaust on the way out.
Hello!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220033</id>
	<title>Re:this is so immoral</title>
	<author>rastilin</author>
	<datestamp>1244201100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Bill Gates has the right idea of what to do when you have too much money. He is doing so much good right now.</p></div><p>
He is indeed and when you have money you too can give it away. Me? I give to charity but I also want the human race to expand outwards.</p><p>I've also been bothered by the amount of poverty in the world. We as First world nations do give massive amounts of charity to other nations and provide safety nets for our own people. However, unless your stance is that all the third world nations are made up of children who need to listen to us; you cannot dump all responsibility on the people already giving charity. At which point are the people on the receiving end held accountable for refusing efficient GM crops, committing inter-tribal murders and revenge killings, printing money and causing rapid inflation, piracy and banditry, etc?</p><p> This reminds me of a conversation I had with a charity collector outside the local University. They contended that many Aboriginal communities in Australia didn't have clean water or proper electrical connections, I asked why not, since it's been over a century since westerners set up shop. She told me they didn't want any. I asked how she was proposing to get everything set up if these people didn't want what she was offering. She told me they would petition local leaders.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Cue fat nerds who have never experienced hardship explaining why the poor should die and why this is actually more important than saving human lives back on earth.</p></div><p>Of course, it's also possible you're simply a better person than the rest of us and wise enough to see the truth. However since you're posting anonymously and won't stand behind your words, I'm doubting it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Bill Gates has the right idea of what to do when you have too much money .
He is doing so much good right now .
He is indeed and when you have money you too can give it away .
Me ? I give to charity but I also want the human race to expand outwards.I 've also been bothered by the amount of poverty in the world .
We as First world nations do give massive amounts of charity to other nations and provide safety nets for our own people .
However , unless your stance is that all the third world nations are made up of children who need to listen to us ; you can not dump all responsibility on the people already giving charity .
At which point are the people on the receiving end held accountable for refusing efficient GM crops , committing inter-tribal murders and revenge killings , printing money and causing rapid inflation , piracy and banditry , etc ?
This reminds me of a conversation I had with a charity collector outside the local University .
They contended that many Aboriginal communities in Australia did n't have clean water or proper electrical connections , I asked why not , since it 's been over a century since westerners set up shop .
She told me they did n't want any .
I asked how she was proposing to get everything set up if these people did n't want what she was offering .
She told me they would petition local leaders.Cue fat nerds who have never experienced hardship explaining why the poor should die and why this is actually more important than saving human lives back on earth.Of course , it 's also possible you 're simply a better person than the rest of us and wise enough to see the truth .
However since you 're posting anonymously and wo n't stand behind your words , I 'm doubting it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bill Gates has the right idea of what to do when you have too much money.
He is doing so much good right now.
He is indeed and when you have money you too can give it away.
Me? I give to charity but I also want the human race to expand outwards.I've also been bothered by the amount of poverty in the world.
We as First world nations do give massive amounts of charity to other nations and provide safety nets for our own people.
However, unless your stance is that all the third world nations are made up of children who need to listen to us; you cannot dump all responsibility on the people already giving charity.
At which point are the people on the receiving end held accountable for refusing efficient GM crops, committing inter-tribal murders and revenge killings, printing money and causing rapid inflation, piracy and banditry, etc?
This reminds me of a conversation I had with a charity collector outside the local University.
They contended that many Aboriginal communities in Australia didn't have clean water or proper electrical connections, I asked why not, since it's been over a century since westerners set up shop.
She told me they didn't want any.
I asked how she was proposing to get everything set up if these people didn't want what she was offering.
She told me they would petition local leaders.Cue fat nerds who have never experienced hardship explaining why the poor should die and why this is actually more important than saving human lives back on earth.Of course, it's also possible you're simply a better person than the rest of us and wise enough to see the truth.
However since you're posting anonymously and won't stand behind your words, I'm doubting it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28226823</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded, and more than you think</title>
	<author>bwcbwc</author>
	<datestamp>1244235300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course, what is the point of preserving a site that nobody can really go to anyway? Sure, if someone went there, they could 'ruin' the artifacts that remain, but who cares? It's not like anyone can visit the site and appreciate it. The best you could hope for would be to preserve it for future generations' camera equipped robotic lunar rovers.</p></div><p>So you're predicting that the demise of the human race before anyone ever gets back to the moon is virtually certain? Just because it seems beyond anyone right now doesn't make it impossible for someone (China? The UN?) in the future. Even then, there's always the possibility that some aliens might find it. And in the meantime, we wouldn't have to worry about damage in the first place if we weren't already capable of sending robotic rovers there.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Of course , what is the point of preserving a site that nobody can really go to anyway ?
Sure , if someone went there , they could 'ruin ' the artifacts that remain , but who cares ?
It 's not like anyone can visit the site and appreciate it .
The best you could hope for would be to preserve it for future generations ' camera equipped robotic lunar rovers.So you 're predicting that the demise of the human race before anyone ever gets back to the moon is virtually certain ?
Just because it seems beyond anyone right now does n't make it impossible for someone ( China ?
The UN ?
) in the future .
Even then , there 's always the possibility that some aliens might find it .
And in the meantime , we would n't have to worry about damage in the first place if we were n't already capable of sending robotic rovers there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, what is the point of preserving a site that nobody can really go to anyway?
Sure, if someone went there, they could 'ruin' the artifacts that remain, but who cares?
It's not like anyone can visit the site and appreciate it.
The best you could hope for would be to preserve it for future generations' camera equipped robotic lunar rovers.So you're predicting that the demise of the human race before anyone ever gets back to the moon is virtually certain?
Just because it seems beyond anyone right now doesn't make it impossible for someone (China?
The UN?
) in the future.
Even then, there's always the possibility that some aliens might find it.
And in the meantime, we wouldn't have to worry about damage in the first place if we weren't already capable of sending robotic rovers there.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28223393</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Pandrake</author>
	<datestamp>1244220420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The knowledge is what we need to hold dear, not the artifacts created in search of that knowledge. It's nice in a saccharine sort of way to have tangible evidence of where someone stood, but the real treasure is what that person did. If we sanctify the artifacts we tend to lose sight of the knowledge.</p></div><p>You have simply thrilled me with that insight, thank you; and I hope that other religious, political, and every manner of leader and follower lets it sink in before spouting off some kind of drivel about essentially nothing more than either geography or architecture.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The knowledge is what we need to hold dear , not the artifacts created in search of that knowledge .
It 's nice in a saccharine sort of way to have tangible evidence of where someone stood , but the real treasure is what that person did .
If we sanctify the artifacts we tend to lose sight of the knowledge.You have simply thrilled me with that insight , thank you ; and I hope that other religious , political , and every manner of leader and follower lets it sink in before spouting off some kind of drivel about essentially nothing more than either geography or architecture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The knowledge is what we need to hold dear, not the artifacts created in search of that knowledge.
It's nice in a saccharine sort of way to have tangible evidence of where someone stood, but the real treasure is what that person did.
If we sanctify the artifacts we tend to lose sight of the knowledge.You have simply thrilled me with that insight, thank you; and I hope that other religious, political, and every manner of leader and follower lets it sink in before spouting off some kind of drivel about essentially nothing more than either geography or architecture.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219715</id>
	<title>Neil and</title>
	<author>Antique Geekmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1244196720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I think that Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin would be \_thrilled\_ if it became a popular picnic spot, with kids climbing over it and tourists pinching moon rocks. Because that would mean that humans have in fact settled there and made it a fact of life, rather than the expensive military publicity stunt their original visit was.</p><p>I think they'd settle happily for making the square kilometor a Lunar equivalent of a national monument, and having the tourist booth with the commemorative flags and the funny hats and the "authentic" souvenirs just outside it, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I think that Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin would be \ _thrilled \ _ if it became a popular picnic spot , with kids climbing over it and tourists pinching moon rocks .
Because that would mean that humans have in fact settled there and made it a fact of life , rather than the expensive military publicity stunt their original visit was.I think they 'd settle happily for making the square kilometor a Lunar equivalent of a national monument , and having the tourist booth with the commemorative flags and the funny hats and the " authentic " souvenirs just outside it , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I think that Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin would be \_thrilled\_ if it became a popular picnic spot, with kids climbing over it and tourists pinching moon rocks.
Because that would mean that humans have in fact settled there and made it a fact of life, rather than the expensive military publicity stunt their original visit was.I think they'd settle happily for making the square kilometor a Lunar equivalent of a national monument, and having the tourist booth with the commemorative flags and the funny hats and the "authentic" souvenirs just outside it, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28225061</id>
	<title>Andy Griffith has already done this!</title>
	<author>sprior</author>
	<datestamp>1244226720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, who watched this series...<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvage\_1" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvage\_1</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , who watched this series...http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvage \ _1 [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, who watched this series...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvage\_1 [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222601</id>
	<title>Re:translation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244217480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"The sites of early lunar landings are of unparalleled significance in the history of humanity, and extraordinary caution should be taken to PREVENT EVER BEING ABLE TO PROVE THEY EVEN EXIST"</p></div><p>I would normally agree, but I don't really see why we need to take 'extraordinary caution' to make sure every last telescope on our planet does not get destroyed.<br>I mean, it just isn't likely, and even if it was, if something has the ability to destroy all of earths telescopes, I don't know what we could collectively do that would be 'extraordinary cautious' to stop it.</p><p>There is a pretty decent little reflective mirror (Same technology that brought you bicycle and street sign reflectors) that is used with an earth based laser/telescope combo to map the distance from the earth to the moon down to 3cm or so.<br>This is the method humanity used to prove Newtons formulas for gravity are not correct.</p><p>There are things on the moon that we put there that can be seen with a decent mid-range home telescope.</p><p>Of course to prove this to any of the idiots that think the whole thing was faked, you would probably want a much better telescope, ideally one that would not be considered for 'home' use.</p><p>But then again, those are the same idiots that convince themselves that anything they see with their eyes is fake, and the voices in their head from their own mind are real people.  Those people do not need 'proof' to prove something.  Any old made up story that goes with their desires will do!</p><p>I didn't mean to twist things around from 'omglolnoze11!  we need to protect the footprints that are already messed up and mostly gone!!'  into actually arguing against the only way your purposed situation could happen, which i know you didn't intend...   But that is the reality of the matter.</p></div>
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<tokenext>" The sites of early lunar landings are of unparalleled significance in the history of humanity , and extraordinary caution should be taken to PREVENT EVER BEING ABLE TO PROVE THEY EVEN EXIST " I would normally agree , but I do n't really see why we need to take 'extraordinary caution ' to make sure every last telescope on our planet does not get destroyed.I mean , it just is n't likely , and even if it was , if something has the ability to destroy all of earths telescopes , I do n't know what we could collectively do that would be 'extraordinary cautious ' to stop it.There is a pretty decent little reflective mirror ( Same technology that brought you bicycle and street sign reflectors ) that is used with an earth based laser/telescope combo to map the distance from the earth to the moon down to 3cm or so.This is the method humanity used to prove Newtons formulas for gravity are not correct.There are things on the moon that we put there that can be seen with a decent mid-range home telescope.Of course to prove this to any of the idiots that think the whole thing was faked , you would probably want a much better telescope , ideally one that would not be considered for 'home ' use.But then again , those are the same idiots that convince themselves that anything they see with their eyes is fake , and the voices in their head from their own mind are real people .
Those people do not need 'proof ' to prove something .
Any old made up story that goes with their desires will do ! I did n't mean to twist things around from 'omglolnoze11 !
we need to protect the footprints that are already messed up and mostly gone ! !
' into actually arguing against the only way your purposed situation could happen , which i know you did n't intend... But that is the reality of the matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The sites of early lunar landings are of unparalleled significance in the history of humanity, and extraordinary caution should be taken to PREVENT EVER BEING ABLE TO PROVE THEY EVEN EXIST"I would normally agree, but I don't really see why we need to take 'extraordinary caution' to make sure every last telescope on our planet does not get destroyed.I mean, it just isn't likely, and even if it was, if something has the ability to destroy all of earths telescopes, I don't know what we could collectively do that would be 'extraordinary cautious' to stop it.There is a pretty decent little reflective mirror (Same technology that brought you bicycle and street sign reflectors) that is used with an earth based laser/telescope combo to map the distance from the earth to the moon down to 3cm or so.This is the method humanity used to prove Newtons formulas for gravity are not correct.There are things on the moon that we put there that can be seen with a decent mid-range home telescope.Of course to prove this to any of the idiots that think the whole thing was faked, you would probably want a much better telescope, ideally one that would not be considered for 'home' use.But then again, those are the same idiots that convince themselves that anything they see with their eyes is fake, and the voices in their head from their own mind are real people.
Those people do not need 'proof' to prove something.
Any old made up story that goes with their desires will do!I didn't mean to twist things around from 'omglolnoze11!
we need to protect the footprints that are already messed up and mostly gone!!
'  into actually arguing against the only way your purposed situation could happen, which i know you didn't intend...   But that is the reality of the matter.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219555</id>
	<title>Re:Idolatry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244194080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't that the way most of historical data is lost? People not saving important information because it's common sense for them. I want wikipedia (and other enciclopaedias) saved in some very reliable and autonomous computer with a sexy woman AI voice (or maybe Morgan Freeman's) that will explain everything you ask about human history. <br> <br>That way in 3000 years when people have restarted civilization after a nuclear war they can find out about human life and maybe accelerate their development faster than the last one so they don't have to go through 1000 years of dark ages again (and maybe they won't start up with religious bullshit either).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't that the way most of historical data is lost ?
People not saving important information because it 's common sense for them .
I want wikipedia ( and other enciclopaedias ) saved in some very reliable and autonomous computer with a sexy woman AI voice ( or maybe Morgan Freeman 's ) that will explain everything you ask about human history .
That way in 3000 years when people have restarted civilization after a nuclear war they can find out about human life and maybe accelerate their development faster than the last one so they do n't have to go through 1000 years of dark ages again ( and maybe they wo n't start up with religious bullshit either ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't that the way most of historical data is lost?
People not saving important information because it's common sense for them.
I want wikipedia (and other enciclopaedias) saved in some very reliable and autonomous computer with a sexy woman AI voice (or maybe Morgan Freeman's) that will explain everything you ask about human history.
That way in 3000 years when people have restarted civilization after a nuclear war they can find out about human life and maybe accelerate their development faster than the last one so they don't have to go through 1000 years of dark ages again (and maybe they won't start up with religious bullshit either).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28229215</id>
	<title>Don't Care about the Soviet Sites</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244209500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the Soviets don't care about the Apollo sites.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the Soviets do n't care about the Apollo sites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the Soviets don't care about the Apollo sites.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220617</id>
	<title>Sasquatches</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244207280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We need to preserve as many of their footprints as possible.  Those are pretty important too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We need to preserve as many of their footprints as possible .
Those are pretty important too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need to preserve as many of their footprints as possible.
Those are pretty important too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220645</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>tick\_and\_bash</author>
	<datestamp>1244207460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>For some reason, I keep seeing Fry step on that footstep and leaving the Nike symbol behind.

(Futurama ref.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>For some reason , I keep seeing Fry step on that footstep and leaving the Nike symbol behind .
( Futurama ref .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some reason, I keep seeing Fry step on that footstep and leaving the Nike symbol behind.
(Futurama ref.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222313</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Workaphobia</author>
	<datestamp>1244216400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude, it's the Grand Canyon. Every person on the planet could write "Kilroy was here" and there'd be room to spare. We've got as much right to make our mark on it as civilizations that will follow us - more even, because we were here first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , it 's the Grand Canyon .
Every person on the planet could write " Kilroy was here " and there 'd be room to spare .
We 've got as much right to make our mark on it as civilizations that will follow us - more even , because we were here first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, it's the Grand Canyon.
Every person on the planet could write "Kilroy was here" and there'd be room to spare.
We've got as much right to make our mark on it as civilizations that will follow us - more even, because we were here first.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220435</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>that this is not und</author>
	<datestamp>1244205780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anybody who's been to an Asian country will recognize how authoritarian said countries are by the total lack of graffiti.</p><p>Just sayin'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anybody who 's been to an Asian country will recognize how authoritarian said countries are by the total lack of graffiti.Just sayin' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anybody who's been to an Asian country will recognize how authoritarian said countries are by the total lack of graffiti.Just sayin'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28307529</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244818920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>People who spray paint anything on the Grand Canyon should be shot on sight.</p></div> </blockquote><blockquote><div><p>Graffiti sprayers should be incarcerated for decades anyway</p></div></blockquote><p>

Damn right. When I invent a time machine I'll go back 40,000 years and kill the inconsiderate bastards that made all this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock\_art" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">graffiti</a> [wikipedia.org].  It's not like it's part of our cultural heritage or anything.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>People who spray paint anything on the Grand Canyon should be shot on sight .
Graffiti sprayers should be incarcerated for decades anyway Damn right .
When I invent a time machine I 'll go back 40,000 years and kill the inconsiderate bastards that made all this graffiti [ wikipedia.org ] .
It 's not like it 's part of our cultural heritage or anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People who spray paint anything on the Grand Canyon should be shot on sight.
Graffiti sprayers should be incarcerated for decades anyway

Damn right.
When I invent a time machine I'll go back 40,000 years and kill the inconsiderate bastards that made all this graffiti [wikipedia.org].
It's not like it's part of our cultural heritage or anything.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220271</id>
	<title>zzz</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244204040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its sad that my first thought was this:

the very first private venture to the moon will probably sell the Apollo and unmanned probes as the ultimate collectible artifacts to the highest bidder - and there is nothing that can be done about it.

of course, I then started thinking more about the logistics as lifting a landing module off the moon and retuning safely and realized it was not going to happen yet, or any time soon. but the point remains that they could and there is nothing that can be done to stop them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its sad that my first thought was this : the very first private venture to the moon will probably sell the Apollo and unmanned probes as the ultimate collectible artifacts to the highest bidder - and there is nothing that can be done about it .
of course , I then started thinking more about the logistics as lifting a landing module off the moon and retuning safely and realized it was not going to happen yet , or any time soon .
but the point remains that they could and there is nothing that can be done to stop them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its sad that my first thought was this:

the very first private venture to the moon will probably sell the Apollo and unmanned probes as the ultimate collectible artifacts to the highest bidder - and there is nothing that can be done about it.
of course, I then started thinking more about the logistics as lifting a landing module off the moon and retuning safely and realized it was not going to happen yet, or any time soon.
but the point remains that they could and there is nothing that can be done to stop them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219329</id>
	<title>That's retarded, and more than you think</title>
	<author>TiggertheMad</author>
	<datestamp>1244234160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>whether a footprint is going to disappear someday. It will</i>
<br> <br>
If it hasn't been already destroyed. Wasn't the photo of where he first stepped on the moon next to the lander? Wouldn't the lander module have toasted the ground around it when it fired it's engines up to re-enter lunar orbit?
<br> <br>
Of course, what is the point of preserving a site that nobody can really go to anyway? Sure, if someone went there, they could 'ruin' the artifacts that remain, but who cares? It's not like anyone can visit the site and appreciate it. The best you could hope for would be to preserve it for future generations' camera equipped robotic lunar rovers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>whether a footprint is going to disappear someday .
It will If it has n't been already destroyed .
Was n't the photo of where he first stepped on the moon next to the lander ?
Would n't the lander module have toasted the ground around it when it fired it 's engines up to re-enter lunar orbit ?
Of course , what is the point of preserving a site that nobody can really go to anyway ?
Sure , if someone went there , they could 'ruin ' the artifacts that remain , but who cares ?
It 's not like anyone can visit the site and appreciate it .
The best you could hope for would be to preserve it for future generations ' camera equipped robotic lunar rovers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>whether a footprint is going to disappear someday.
It will
 
If it hasn't been already destroyed.
Wasn't the photo of where he first stepped on the moon next to the lander?
Wouldn't the lander module have toasted the ground around it when it fired it's engines up to re-enter lunar orbit?
Of course, what is the point of preserving a site that nobody can really go to anyway?
Sure, if someone went there, they could 'ruin' the artifacts that remain, but who cares?
It's not like anyone can visit the site and appreciate it.
The best you could hope for would be to preserve it for future generations' camera equipped robotic lunar rovers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221347</id>
	<title>Re:Ugh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244211960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, come on already. The Moon has a surface area of 37930000 km2. Protecting even as much as the 10000 km2 this dude suggests isn't going to hamper the industrialisation of Moon for centuries.</p><p>Although I'd say any future rovers should be allowed to get close enough to get a picture of the site - say a 100m or so?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , come on already .
The Moon has a surface area of 37930000 km2 .
Protecting even as much as the 10000 km2 this dude suggests is n't going to hamper the industrialisation of Moon for centuries.Although I 'd say any future rovers should be allowed to get close enough to get a picture of the site - say a 100m or so ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, come on already.
The Moon has a surface area of 37930000 km2.
Protecting even as much as the 10000 km2 this dude suggests isn't going to hamper the industrialisation of Moon for centuries.Although I'd say any future rovers should be allowed to get close enough to get a picture of the site - say a 100m or so?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222173</id>
	<title>Re:Uhhh....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244215860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah right. GP is right; have you seen a lunar launch? It's pretty fantastic. And even so, Neil's first bootprint was probably obliterated by<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Buzz Aldrin! Or maybe Neil, considering they only had one ladder. They're both still alive, we could ask them about it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah right .
GP is right ; have you seen a lunar launch ?
It 's pretty fantastic .
And even so , Neil 's first bootprint was probably obliterated by ... Buzz Aldrin !
Or maybe Neil , considering they only had one ladder .
They 're both still alive , we could ask them about it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah right.
GP is right; have you seen a lunar launch?
It's pretty fantastic.
And even so, Neil's first bootprint was probably obliterated by ... Buzz Aldrin!
Or maybe Neil, considering they only had one ladder.
They're both still alive, we could ask them about it...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220961</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>darkwhite</author>
	<datestamp>1244209800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't believe <i>your</i> attitude regarding this story. This is archaeology at its worst. The lunar module, the plaque, the flag, whatever else should be preserved. To prevent people from visiting the site because it is somehow sacred as an archaeological artifact is bullshit. This person would have us never set foot on any site of historical significance and preserve every smallest thing associated with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe your attitude regarding this story .
This is archaeology at its worst .
The lunar module , the plaque , the flag , whatever else should be preserved .
To prevent people from visiting the site because it is somehow sacred as an archaeological artifact is bullshit .
This person would have us never set foot on any site of historical significance and preserve every smallest thing associated with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe your attitude regarding this story.
This is archaeology at its worst.
The lunar module, the plaque, the flag, whatever else should be preserved.
To prevent people from visiting the site because it is somehow sacred as an archaeological artifact is bullshit.
This person would have us never set foot on any site of historical significance and preserve every smallest thing associated with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222271</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Workaphobia</author>
	<datestamp>1244216220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That depends on where the rocket was located and how big an area it wipes out on the ground underneath. Remember, there's no atmosphere to convey that energy to a wide area.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That depends on where the rocket was located and how big an area it wipes out on the ground underneath .
Remember , there 's no atmosphere to convey that energy to a wide area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That depends on where the rocket was located and how big an area it wipes out on the ground underneath.
Remember, there's no atmosphere to convey that energy to a wide area.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219511</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Hertog</author>
	<datestamp>1244193540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since the first footprint was at the end of the lunar-lander ladder, the same ladder that was used to get out and get in the Eagle again by Aldrin and Armstrong, my guess is that the very first footprint was already pretty messed up, even before they left the place...</p><p>And don't forget the blast from the rocket engine at take of.. that one was sure to wipe it of the face of the moon...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since the first footprint was at the end of the lunar-lander ladder , the same ladder that was used to get out and get in the Eagle again by Aldrin and Armstrong , my guess is that the very first footprint was already pretty messed up , even before they left the place...And do n't forget the blast from the rocket engine at take of.. that one was sure to wipe it of the face of the moon.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since the first footprint was at the end of the lunar-lander ladder, the same ladder that was used to get out and get in the Eagle again by Aldrin and Armstrong, my guess is that the very first footprint was already pretty messed up, even before they left the place...And don't forget the blast from the rocket engine at take of.. that one was sure to wipe it of the face of the moon...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219991</id>
	<title>Wierd logic</title>
	<author>TiggertheMad</author>
	<datestamp>1244200680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It's kind of the same as graffiti artists (vandals) spray painting their names all over the Grand Canyon.</i>
<br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...Since we aren't debating allowing people to literally 'tag up' the moon landing site, can I presume that by 'preserve' you agree with the article that people should be kept away from the sites?
<br> <br>
I agree with your logic, we should also 'preserve' the Grand Canyon by prohibiting people from going within 100km of it.
<br> <br>
(BTW, if I ever land on the moon, I will now have to violently suppress the urge to tag up the lander.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's kind of the same as graffiti artists ( vandals ) spray painting their names all over the Grand Canyon .
...Since we are n't debating allowing people to literally 'tag up ' the moon landing site , can I presume that by 'preserve ' you agree with the article that people should be kept away from the sites ?
I agree with your logic , we should also 'preserve ' the Grand Canyon by prohibiting people from going within 100km of it .
( BTW , if I ever land on the moon , I will now have to violently suppress the urge to tag up the lander .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's kind of the same as graffiti artists (vandals) spray painting their names all over the Grand Canyon.
...Since we aren't debating allowing people to literally 'tag up' the moon landing site, can I presume that by 'preserve' you agree with the article that people should be kept away from the sites?
I agree with your logic, we should also 'preserve' the Grand Canyon by prohibiting people from going within 100km of it.
(BTW, if I ever land on the moon, I will now have to violently suppress the urge to tag up the lander.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28224865</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>FatdogHaiku</author>
	<datestamp>1244226000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Besides, it's stupid to think that Armstrong and Aldrin wouldn't have messed up the first footprint since it was, you know, right at the bottom of the ladder and in a high traffic area.</p></div><p>Also, there was a lot dust flying when they did a vertical launch to rejoin the command module. Apollo 11 did not leave a TV camera behind, but other trips (when we sent rovers) did. Apollo 17 looks like what I would expect from this operation, and I would not expect a footprint just below the rockets to survive...</p><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obd\_jTO66-0" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obd\_jTO66-0</a> [youtube.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Besides , it 's stupid to think that Armstrong and Aldrin would n't have messed up the first footprint since it was , you know , right at the bottom of the ladder and in a high traffic area.Also , there was a lot dust flying when they did a vertical launch to rejoin the command module .
Apollo 11 did not leave a TV camera behind , but other trips ( when we sent rovers ) did .
Apollo 17 looks like what I would expect from this operation , and I would not expect a footprint just below the rockets to survive... http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = Obd \ _jTO66-0 [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Besides, it's stupid to think that Armstrong and Aldrin wouldn't have messed up the first footprint since it was, you know, right at the bottom of the ladder and in a high traffic area.Also, there was a lot dust flying when they did a vertical launch to rejoin the command module.
Apollo 11 did not leave a TV camera behind, but other trips (when we sent rovers) did.
Apollo 17 looks like what I would expect from this operation, and I would not expect a footprint just below the rockets to survive... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obd\_jTO66-0 [youtube.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28223333</id>
	<title>Re:Depends on who gets there next</title>
	<author>AttillaTheNun</author>
	<datestamp>1244220240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The U.S. will counter with a rocket with Chuck Norris strapped to the front.
<p>
The footprints are probably already gone due to the sheer magnitude of all those Chuck Norris drop kicks over the past few decades. I'm sure they're rippling throughout the solar system to this day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The U.S. will counter with a rocket with Chuck Norris strapped to the front .
The footprints are probably already gone due to the sheer magnitude of all those Chuck Norris drop kicks over the past few decades .
I 'm sure they 're rippling throughout the solar system to this day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The U.S. will counter with a rocket with Chuck Norris strapped to the front.
The footprints are probably already gone due to the sheer magnitude of all those Chuck Norris drop kicks over the past few decades.
I'm sure they're rippling throughout the solar system to this day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219197</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219497</id>
	<title>Just like on Earth...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244193480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...where it's illegal to build within 100km of historical landmarks.</p><p>Oh, wait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...where it 's illegal to build within 100km of historical landmarks.Oh , wait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...where it's illegal to build within 100km of historical landmarks.Oh, wait.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221605</id>
	<title>Tinfoil Hats!</title>
	<author>awfar</author>
	<datestamp>1244213220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How will they prove/disprove by disinterested parties an actual landing?</p><p>haha</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How will they prove/disprove by disinterested parties an actual landing ? haha</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How will they prove/disprove by disinterested parties an actual landing?haha</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220255</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>SlashV</author>
	<datestamp>1244203800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Indeed. We can't even protect our own planet's historical sites, lets get some perpective on what's important . .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p></div><p>Maybe that's his point. Space, or the moon in this case, may be an opportunity to get it *right* this time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
We ca n't even protect our own planet 's historical sites , lets get some perpective on what 's important .
. .Maybe that 's his point .
Space , or the moon in this case , may be an opportunity to get it * right * this time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
We can't even protect our own planet's historical sites, lets get some perpective on what's important .
. .Maybe that's his point.
Space, or the moon in this case, may be an opportunity to get it *right* this time.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28229583</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244215080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>People who spray paint anything on the Grand Canyon should be <b>thrown over the side!</b> </i> There, fixed that for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People who spray paint anything on the Grand Canyon should be thrown over the side !
There , fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People who spray paint anything on the Grand Canyon should be thrown over the side!
There, fixed that for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221007</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1244210100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Besides, it's stupid to think that Armstrong and Aldrin wouldn't have messed up the first footprint since it was, you know, right at the bottom of the ladder and in a high traffic area.</i></p><p>To say nothing of being right underneath a rocket that was launched less than 24 hours later!  Doesn't anyone remember the images that came back from a camera left on the moon during one of the later missions, with dust blowing everywhere as the ascent stage engine of the LM fired?  The whole area around the site will almost certainly be scoured clean.</p><p>I can see some scientific value in the sites:  having pristine stuff exposed to lunar conditions for fifty years will probably provide a wealth of data on materials behaviour in space.  But anyone who talks about Armstrong's first bootprint as if it's still there is preaching unicorns.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Besides , it 's stupid to think that Armstrong and Aldrin would n't have messed up the first footprint since it was , you know , right at the bottom of the ladder and in a high traffic area.To say nothing of being right underneath a rocket that was launched less than 24 hours later !
Does n't anyone remember the images that came back from a camera left on the moon during one of the later missions , with dust blowing everywhere as the ascent stage engine of the LM fired ?
The whole area around the site will almost certainly be scoured clean.I can see some scientific value in the sites : having pristine stuff exposed to lunar conditions for fifty years will probably provide a wealth of data on materials behaviour in space .
But anyone who talks about Armstrong 's first bootprint as if it 's still there is preaching unicorns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Besides, it's stupid to think that Armstrong and Aldrin wouldn't have messed up the first footprint since it was, you know, right at the bottom of the ladder and in a high traffic area.To say nothing of being right underneath a rocket that was launched less than 24 hours later!
Doesn't anyone remember the images that came back from a camera left on the moon during one of the later missions, with dust blowing everywhere as the ascent stage engine of the LM fired?
The whole area around the site will almost certainly be scoured clean.I can see some scientific value in the sites:  having pristine stuff exposed to lunar conditions for fifty years will probably provide a wealth of data on materials behaviour in space.
But anyone who talks about Armstrong's first bootprint as if it's still there is preaching unicorns.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221303</id>
	<title>They should be cleaned up instead.</title>
	<author>stoicio</author>
	<datestamp>1244211780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's no reason to leave the moons surface littered with<br>historic space junk. Those sites could well be surveyed<br>from orbit and then cleaned up.</p><p>People would get more out of that stuff if it went into<br>a big museum on the moon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no reason to leave the moons surface littered withhistoric space junk .
Those sites could well be surveyedfrom orbit and then cleaned up.People would get more out of that stuff if it went intoa big museum on the moon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no reason to leave the moons surface littered withhistoric space junk.
Those sites could well be surveyedfrom orbit and then cleaned up.People would get more out of that stuff if it went intoa big museum on the moon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220069</id>
	<title>First footprint</title>
	<author>HonIsCool</author>
	<datestamp>1244201520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As has already been mentioned, the very first footprint has likely been damaged/destroyed already since it was (obviously) positioned right in the path Neil and Buzz would have to traverse to get into and out of the LEM.</p><p>Furthermore, people are talking about a photo of the first footprint, but I'm guessing they are thinking of the famous photo that Buzz took of his own boot impression (as part of analyzing the soil characteristics):</p><p><a href="http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5877HR.jpg" title="nasa.gov" rel="nofollow">http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5877HR.jpg</a> [nasa.gov]<br><a href="http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5878HR.jpg" title="nasa.gov" rel="nofollow">http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5878HR.jpg</a> [nasa.gov]</p><p>This was taken quite some time after Neil first stepped onto the lunar surface.</p><p>The first footprint might be hiding somewhere in thid photo that Neil took of Buzz coming down the ladder:</p><p><a href="http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5869HR.jpg" title="nasa.gov" rel="nofollow">http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5869HR.jpg</a> [nasa.gov]</p><p>Not so easy to tell which one it would be though, and it's in shadow...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As has already been mentioned , the very first footprint has likely been damaged/destroyed already since it was ( obviously ) positioned right in the path Neil and Buzz would have to traverse to get into and out of the LEM.Furthermore , people are talking about a photo of the first footprint , but I 'm guessing they are thinking of the famous photo that Buzz took of his own boot impression ( as part of analyzing the soil characteristics ) : http : //history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5877HR.jpg [ nasa.gov ] http : //history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5878HR.jpg [ nasa.gov ] This was taken quite some time after Neil first stepped onto the lunar surface.The first footprint might be hiding somewhere in thid photo that Neil took of Buzz coming down the ladder : http : //history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5869HR.jpg [ nasa.gov ] Not so easy to tell which one it would be though , and it 's in shadow.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As has already been mentioned, the very first footprint has likely been damaged/destroyed already since it was (obviously) positioned right in the path Neil and Buzz would have to traverse to get into and out of the LEM.Furthermore, people are talking about a photo of the first footprint, but I'm guessing they are thinking of the famous photo that Buzz took of his own boot impression (as part of analyzing the soil characteristics):http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5877HR.jpg [nasa.gov]http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5878HR.jpg [nasa.gov]This was taken quite some time after Neil first stepped onto the lunar surface.The first footprint might be hiding somewhere in thid photo that Neil took of Buzz coming down the ladder:http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5869HR.jpg [nasa.gov]Not so easy to tell which one it would be though, and it's in shadow...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28224177</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Limburgher</author>
	<datestamp>1244223300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like today's XKCD was apropos:  <a href="http://xkcd.com/593/" title="xkcd.com">http://xkcd.com/593/</a> [xkcd.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like today 's XKCD was apropos : http : //xkcd.com/593/ [ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like today's XKCD was apropos:  http://xkcd.com/593/ [xkcd.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222713</id>
	<title>Collect our Junk</title>
	<author>AngryOnions</author>
	<datestamp>1244217960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Send a large collection rocket, collect all the 'historic' equipment and move on. Jeez you don't see a cordoned off area at a beach somewhere with a plaque proclaiming "Spot where amphibians first stepped on land."

Trust me, the phrase "I'm stepping on the moon." will get old after about the one millionth time.

(well assuming we don't have Bush III, in which case the above phrase may be in another language)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Send a large collection rocket , collect all the 'historic ' equipment and move on .
Jeez you do n't see a cordoned off area at a beach somewhere with a plaque proclaiming " Spot where amphibians first stepped on land .
" Trust me , the phrase " I 'm stepping on the moon .
" will get old after about the one millionth time .
( well assuming we do n't have Bush III , in which case the above phrase may be in another language )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Send a large collection rocket, collect all the 'historic' equipment and move on.
Jeez you don't see a cordoned off area at a beach somewhere with a plaque proclaiming "Spot where amphibians first stepped on land.
"

Trust me, the phrase "I'm stepping on the moon.
" will get old after about the one millionth time.
(well assuming we don't have Bush III, in which case the above phrase may be in another language)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28223049</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244219160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is people can't be trusted to keep the knowledge over the long term. Just look at the life span of digital media, or for that matter documents created in word processors from the 80's.  Also I don't think you appreciate how fragile society is and the knowledge that goes with it. I'm sure there were educated Romans back in the day that said similarly flippant things about the Library of Alexandria before it was destroyed. Try to remember that there are Christians and other religious anti-enlightenment movements all over the world that are chomping at the bit to destroy "The Knowledge." They've cast humanity into centuries long dark ages before.  I'm not saying they will again, but look at what happened after 9/11 in the US with the conservatives in power. They immediately began waging a war against science. Hell, to top it all off there's already a meme going that we never landed on the moon, the last thing we need to do is destroy any evidence that we actually did.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is people ca n't be trusted to keep the knowledge over the long term .
Just look at the life span of digital media , or for that matter documents created in word processors from the 80 's .
Also I do n't think you appreciate how fragile society is and the knowledge that goes with it .
I 'm sure there were educated Romans back in the day that said similarly flippant things about the Library of Alexandria before it was destroyed .
Try to remember that there are Christians and other religious anti-enlightenment movements all over the world that are chomping at the bit to destroy " The Knowledge .
" They 've cast humanity into centuries long dark ages before .
I 'm not saying they will again , but look at what happened after 9/11 in the US with the conservatives in power .
They immediately began waging a war against science .
Hell , to top it all off there 's already a meme going that we never landed on the moon , the last thing we need to do is destroy any evidence that we actually did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is people can't be trusted to keep the knowledge over the long term.
Just look at the life span of digital media, or for that matter documents created in word processors from the 80's.
Also I don't think you appreciate how fragile society is and the knowledge that goes with it.
I'm sure there were educated Romans back in the day that said similarly flippant things about the Library of Alexandria before it was destroyed.
Try to remember that there are Christians and other religious anti-enlightenment movements all over the world that are chomping at the bit to destroy "The Knowledge.
" They've cast humanity into centuries long dark ages before.
I'm not saying they will again, but look at what happened after 9/11 in the US with the conservatives in power.
They immediately began waging a war against science.
Hell, to top it all off there's already a meme going that we never landed on the moon, the last thing we need to do is destroy any evidence that we actually did.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220343</id>
	<title>People needa chill out...</title>
	<author>hh4m</author>
	<datestamp>1244205000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dont destroy the footprint intentionally (if it still exists that is)... but dont make a big deal to preserve it either... let time do its thing...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dont destroy the footprint intentionally ( if it still exists that is ) ... but dont make a big deal to preserve it either... let time do its thing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dont destroy the footprint intentionally (if it still exists that is)... but dont make a big deal to preserve it either... let time do its thing...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220489</id>
	<title>Spotted owls</title>
	<author>jag7720</author>
	<datestamp>1244206140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And what about the Lunar Spotted Owls... we have to do everything possible to preserver them too.  We should start putting lunar spikes in the lunar forest trees to stop the lunar clear cutting.

On second thought... why don't  we put a clear plexi container around the entire moon and just fahgeddaboudit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And what about the Lunar Spotted Owls... we have to do everything possible to preserver them too .
We should start putting lunar spikes in the lunar forest trees to stop the lunar clear cutting .
On second thought... why do n't we put a clear plexi container around the entire moon and just fahgeddaboudit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what about the Lunar Spotted Owls... we have to do everything possible to preserver them too.
We should start putting lunar spikes in the lunar forest trees to stop the lunar clear cutting.
On second thought... why don't  we put a clear plexi container around the entire moon and just fahgeddaboudit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28228137</id>
	<title>Cover up!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244200200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The most assured way to maintain the cover-up, that the moon landings were fake, is to prohibit anyone from approaching the original sites!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The most assured way to maintain the cover-up , that the moon landings were fake , is to prohibit anyone from approaching the original sites !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The most assured way to maintain the cover-up, that the moon landings were fake, is to prohibit anyone from approaching the original sites!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219693</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Faylone</author>
	<datestamp>1244196360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Armstrong's shouldn't be either, having a rocket fired right next to it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Armstrong 's should n't be either , having a rocket fired right next to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Armstrong's shouldn't be either, having a rocket fired right next to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220901</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244209500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's why I only spray paint the dirt, in large neon blue lines that can only be seen by passing helicopters. But they still haven't come to rescue me. Help!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why I only spray paint the dirt , in large neon blue lines that can only be seen by passing helicopters .
But they still have n't come to rescue me .
Help ! ! !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why I only spray paint the dirt, in large neon blue lines that can only be seen by passing helicopters.
But they still haven't come to rescue me.
Help!!!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222651</id>
	<title>This is actually....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244217720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a slice of a larger philosophy that we should preserve all space bodies from human "contamination".  There are a lot of environmentalists that argue that the moon and other bodies should be off-limits to human activities because we will wreck them like we did the Earth.  I'm assuming this professor sees his position as a "compromise" between the two options.</p><p>I suspect the original footprints are still there (Neal was very careful about such things), but we'd have to ask him.  So, I'd vote for a 50' or so cushion space for future tourists and archaeologists to enjoy.  It's about time we went back to the moon anyway.  Otherwise, there are a billion things more important to worry about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a slice of a larger philosophy that we should preserve all space bodies from human " contamination " .
There are a lot of environmentalists that argue that the moon and other bodies should be off-limits to human activities because we will wreck them like we did the Earth .
I 'm assuming this professor sees his position as a " compromise " between the two options.I suspect the original footprints are still there ( Neal was very careful about such things ) , but we 'd have to ask him .
So , I 'd vote for a 50 ' or so cushion space for future tourists and archaeologists to enjoy .
It 's about time we went back to the moon anyway .
Otherwise , there are a billion things more important to worry about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a slice of a larger philosophy that we should preserve all space bodies from human "contamination".
There are a lot of environmentalists that argue that the moon and other bodies should be off-limits to human activities because we will wreck them like we did the Earth.
I'm assuming this professor sees his position as a "compromise" between the two options.I suspect the original footprints are still there (Neal was very careful about such things), but we'd have to ask him.
So, I'd vote for a 50' or so cushion space for future tourists and archaeologists to enjoy.
It's about time we went back to the moon anyway.
Otherwise, there are a billion things more important to worry about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221791</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244213940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>.... And don't forget the blast from the rocket engine at take of.. that one was sure to wipe it of the face of the moon...</p></div><p>You don't know much about the lander, do you?  The bottom half was the launch pad for the crew's ascent module.  The blast didn't reach the surface.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.... And do n't forget the blast from the rocket engine at take of.. that one was sure to wipe it of the face of the moon...You do n't know much about the lander , do you ?
The bottom half was the launch pad for the crew 's ascent module .
The blast did n't reach the surface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.... And don't forget the blast from the rocket engine at take of.. that one was sure to wipe it of the face of the moon...You don't know much about the lander, do you?
The bottom half was the launch pad for the crew's ascent module.
The blast didn't reach the surface.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220001</id>
	<title>Enough to preserve Apollo 11 site.</title>
	<author>Flanders</author>
	<datestamp>1244200740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's enough to preserve the Apollo 11 landing site. That was after all where the human race first walked on the lunar surface.</p><p>The other sites are after all not that valuable, instead they should be cleaned up from all the trash the astronauts/tourists left behind<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's enough to preserve the Apollo 11 landing site .
That was after all where the human race first walked on the lunar surface.The other sites are after all not that valuable , instead they should be cleaned up from all the trash the astronauts/tourists left behind ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's enough to preserve the Apollo 11 landing site.
That was after all where the human race first walked on the lunar surface.The other sites are after all not that valuable, instead they should be cleaned up from all the trash the astronauts/tourists left behind ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221321</id>
	<title>Is it still there?</title>
	<author>FaytLeingod</author>
	<datestamp>1244211840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>With all the stuff in space crashing into the moon is the boot print still there?</htmltext>
<tokenext>With all the stuff in space crashing into the moon is the boot print still there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all the stuff in space crashing into the moon is the boot print still there?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219781</id>
	<title>Unnecessary...</title>
	<author>PinkyDead</author>
	<datestamp>1244197980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Eagle's descent stage is still in place.  This is a fairly substantial piece of kit with lots of angular edges that could do a lot of damage to a descending experimental lunar vehicle.</p><p>I wouldn't want to go anywhere near that thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Eagle 's descent stage is still in place .
This is a fairly substantial piece of kit with lots of angular edges that could do a lot of damage to a descending experimental lunar vehicle.I would n't want to go anywhere near that thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Eagle's descent stage is still in place.
This is a fairly substantial piece of kit with lots of angular edges that could do a lot of damage to a descending experimental lunar vehicle.I wouldn't want to go anywhere near that thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222905</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>neumayr</author>
	<datestamp>1244218620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh yeah, the presence of Graffiti heralds the downfall of society and our descent into anarchy.<br>
Everyone their own bogeyman, but are you sure you're not exaggerating, at least a little? Law enforcement hopefully has higher priorities than some teenage scumbags and their territorial pissings, and if they don't, that means it's probably an authoritarian state with a huge police/population ratio - using the term 'police' quite loosely in that case. At least in the western hemisphere.<br>
Maybe those Asian countries you're referring to are not authoritarian, but Western and Eastern cultures do indeed have very deeply rooted differences, so comparing those two takes a lot more than a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. comment and some portrayal of seemingly shared values.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yeah , the presence of Graffiti heralds the downfall of society and our descent into anarchy .
Everyone their own bogeyman , but are you sure you 're not exaggerating , at least a little ?
Law enforcement hopefully has higher priorities than some teenage scumbags and their territorial pissings , and if they do n't , that means it 's probably an authoritarian state with a huge police/population ratio - using the term 'police ' quite loosely in that case .
At least in the western hemisphere .
Maybe those Asian countries you 're referring to are not authoritarian , but Western and Eastern cultures do indeed have very deeply rooted differences , so comparing those two takes a lot more than a / .
comment and some portrayal of seemingly shared values .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yeah, the presence of Graffiti heralds the downfall of society and our descent into anarchy.
Everyone their own bogeyman, but are you sure you're not exaggerating, at least a little?
Law enforcement hopefully has higher priorities than some teenage scumbags and their territorial pissings, and if they don't, that means it's probably an authoritarian state with a huge police/population ratio - using the term 'police' quite loosely in that case.
At least in the western hemisphere.
Maybe those Asian countries you're referring to are not authoritarian, but Western and Eastern cultures do indeed have very deeply rooted differences, so comparing those two takes a lot more than a /.
comment and some portrayal of seemingly shared values.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219239</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244232960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's already a plaque attached to the base of the Eagle Lander, so... all set.</p><p>I say the rovers should drive wherever the hell the operators want. Besides, it's stupid to think that Armstrong and Aldrin wouldn't have messed up the first footprint since it was, you know, right at the bottom of the ladder and in a high traffic area.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's already a plaque attached to the base of the Eagle Lander , so... all set.I say the rovers should drive wherever the hell the operators want .
Besides , it 's stupid to think that Armstrong and Aldrin would n't have messed up the first footprint since it was , you know , right at the bottom of the ladder and in a high traffic area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's already a plaque attached to the base of the Eagle Lander, so... all set.I say the rovers should drive wherever the hell the operators want.
Besides, it's stupid to think that Armstrong and Aldrin wouldn't have messed up the first footprint since it was, you know, right at the bottom of the ladder and in a high traffic area.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28227315</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>MushingBits</author>
	<datestamp>1244194680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thank you for referencing "Motel of the Mysteries"- I read that book years ago in grade school or jr high and have been looking for it since.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you for referencing " Motel of the Mysteries " - I read that book years ago in grade school or jr high and have been looking for it since .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for referencing "Motel of the Mysteries"- I read that book years ago in grade school or jr high and have been looking for it since.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219585</id>
	<title>How many GLXP teams will actually make it?</title>
	<author>Dante\_J</author>
	<datestamp>1244194440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Between now and the 2012 deadline we're likely to hear more and more of the developments and adventures or the various GLXP teams.</p><p><a href="http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/lunar/teams" title="googlelunarxprize.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/lunar/teams</a> [googlelunarxprize.org]</p><p>A more appropriate question is of all the GLXP teams, how many will actually get to the point of getting off the ground and doing a successful Trans Lunar Injection, and of that number, how many are actually going to attempt to meet the "imaging man made artefacts" criteria.</p><p>Official GLXP team; <b>White Label Space</b> has recently written of it's Lunar landing intentions and the focus seems to be more on finding water (another bonus) than finding Apollo, Lunokhod, Surveyor et al. They're considering the peaks of eternal light near the Moon's south pole which would also provide nearby landing sites with rover routes into the permanently shadowed zones.</p><p><a href="http://www.whitelabelspace.com/2009/05/preliminary-landing-site-considerations.html" title="whitelabelspace.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitelabelspace.com/2009/05/preliminary-landing-site-considerations.html</a> [whitelabelspace.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Between now and the 2012 deadline we 're likely to hear more and more of the developments and adventures or the various GLXP teams.http : //www.googlelunarxprize.org/lunar/teams [ googlelunarxprize.org ] A more appropriate question is of all the GLXP teams , how many will actually get to the point of getting off the ground and doing a successful Trans Lunar Injection , and of that number , how many are actually going to attempt to meet the " imaging man made artefacts " criteria.Official GLXP team ; White Label Space has recently written of it 's Lunar landing intentions and the focus seems to be more on finding water ( another bonus ) than finding Apollo , Lunokhod , Surveyor et al .
They 're considering the peaks of eternal light near the Moon 's south pole which would also provide nearby landing sites with rover routes into the permanently shadowed zones.http : //www.whitelabelspace.com/2009/05/preliminary-landing-site-considerations.html [ whitelabelspace.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Between now and the 2012 deadline we're likely to hear more and more of the developments and adventures or the various GLXP teams.http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/lunar/teams [googlelunarxprize.org]A more appropriate question is of all the GLXP teams, how many will actually get to the point of getting off the ground and doing a successful Trans Lunar Injection, and of that number, how many are actually going to attempt to meet the "imaging man made artefacts" criteria.Official GLXP team; White Label Space has recently written of it's Lunar landing intentions and the focus seems to be more on finding water (another bonus) than finding Apollo, Lunokhod, Surveyor et al.
They're considering the peaks of eternal light near the Moon's south pole which would also provide nearby landing sites with rover routes into the permanently shadowed zones.http://www.whitelabelspace.com/2009/05/preliminary-landing-site-considerations.html [whitelabelspace.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219911</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded, and more than you think</title>
	<author>the\_other\_chewey</author>
	<datestamp>1244199720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wouldn't the lander module have toasted the ground around it when it fired it's engines up to re-enter lunar orbit?</p></div><p>
Not necessarily - the lander module's landing platform was left behind, and the ascension stage had only one rather weak<br>
rocket motor. I think footprints close to the platform had a very good chance to be protected from the blast.<br>
Also: Without atmosphere, no turbulence. Additional protection.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't the lander module have toasted the ground around it when it fired it 's engines up to re-enter lunar orbit ?
Not necessarily - the lander module 's landing platform was left behind , and the ascension stage had only one rather weak rocket motor .
I think footprints close to the platform had a very good chance to be protected from the blast .
Also : Without atmosphere , no turbulence .
Additional protection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't the lander module have toasted the ground around it when it fired it's engines up to re-enter lunar orbit?
Not necessarily - the lander module's landing platform was left behind, and the ascension stage had only one rather weak
rocket motor.
I think footprints close to the platform had a very good chance to be protected from the blast.
Also: Without atmosphere, no turbulence.
Additional protection.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219599</id>
	<title>Re:Uhhh....</title>
	<author>adolf</author>
	<datestamp>1244194620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But if it wasn't....</p><p>I'm thinking that a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia\_Plaster\_Caster" title="wikipedia.org">plaster cast</a> [wikipedia.org] of Armstrong's, uh, <i>boot</i> would be one of the most meaningful things in human possession.  I, for one, want as many lunar missions as necessary in order to ensure that a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaster\_Caster" title="wikipedia.org">plaster cast</a> [wikipedia.org] of the item is successful, to preserve it for an eternity of gawkers and onlookers.</p><p>Unless, of course, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil\_armstrong" title="wikipedia.org">he</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://www.science.uva.nl/~robbert/zappa/interviews/Playboy/Interview.html" title="science.uva.nl">declines to be enshrined</a> [science.uva.nl], in which case the whole point is moot anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But if it was n't....I 'm thinking that a plaster cast [ wikipedia.org ] of Armstrong 's , uh , boot would be one of the most meaningful things in human possession .
I , for one , want as many lunar missions as necessary in order to ensure that a plaster cast [ wikipedia.org ] of the item is successful , to preserve it for an eternity of gawkers and onlookers.Unless , of course , he [ wikipedia.org ] declines to be enshrined [ science.uva.nl ] , in which case the whole point is moot anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if it wasn't....I'm thinking that a plaster cast [wikipedia.org] of Armstrong's, uh, boot would be one of the most meaningful things in human possession.
I, for one, want as many lunar missions as necessary in order to ensure that a plaster cast [wikipedia.org] of the item is successful, to preserve it for an eternity of gawkers and onlookers.Unless, of course, he [wikipedia.org] declines to be enshrined [science.uva.nl], in which case the whole point is moot anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219207</id>
	<title>translation</title>
	<author>Swampash</author>
	<datestamp>1244232480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The sites of early lunar landings are of unparalleled significance in the history of humanity, and extraordinary caution should be taken to PREVENT EVER BEING ABLE TO PROVE THEY EVEN EXIST"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The sites of early lunar landings are of unparalleled significance in the history of humanity , and extraordinary caution should be taken to PREVENT EVER BEING ABLE TO PROVE THEY EVEN EXIST "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The sites of early lunar landings are of unparalleled significance in the history of humanity, and extraordinary caution should be taken to PREVENT EVER BEING ABLE TO PROVE THEY EVEN EXIST"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221775</id>
	<title>But there is science to be done</title>
	<author>jzarling</author>
	<datestamp>1244213880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As pointed out earlier the first foot print was probably obliterated by both Aldrin, and Armstrong.
<br>Why don't we ask the lunar astronauts what they think, I bet they would prefer science trumps some treasure hunter.<br> <br>
Besides I think up close inspections of the Lander bits, and especially the rovers would provide valuable insights into building vehicles that can withstand years, or decades on the moon, and still be useful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As pointed out earlier the first foot print was probably obliterated by both Aldrin , and Armstrong .
Why do n't we ask the lunar astronauts what they think , I bet they would prefer science trumps some treasure hunter .
Besides I think up close inspections of the Lander bits , and especially the rovers would provide valuable insights into building vehicles that can withstand years , or decades on the moon , and still be useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As pointed out earlier the first foot print was probably obliterated by both Aldrin, and Armstrong.
Why don't we ask the lunar astronauts what they think, I bet they would prefer science trumps some treasure hunter.
Besides I think up close inspections of the Lander bits, and especially the rovers would provide valuable insights into building vehicles that can withstand years, or decades on the moon, and still be useful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219561</id>
	<title>Re:Uhhh....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244194200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps somewhat, but remember that the lunar module that blasted off from the surface of the moon was only the top half of the part that landed.  The bottom half served as a launch platform and probably took the brunt of the blast.
<br> <br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtFYCe-FD8&amp;feature=related" title="youtube.com">Apollo 17 lunar module ascent.</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps somewhat , but remember that the lunar module that blasted off from the surface of the moon was only the top half of the part that landed .
The bottom half served as a launch platform and probably took the brunt of the blast .
Apollo 17 lunar module ascent .
[ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps somewhat, but remember that the lunar module that blasted off from the surface of the moon was only the top half of the part that landed.
The bottom half served as a launch platform and probably took the brunt of the blast.
Apollo 17 lunar module ascent.
[youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219251</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244233140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>stop wasting your time worrying about whether a footprint is going to disappear someday.</p></div><p>Indeed. We can't even protect our own planet's historical sites, lets get some perpective on what's important . . .</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>stop wasting your time worrying about whether a footprint is going to disappear someday.Indeed .
We ca n't even protect our own planet 's historical sites , lets get some perpective on what 's important .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>stop wasting your time worrying about whether a footprint is going to disappear someday.Indeed.
We can't even protect our own planet's historical sites, lets get some perpective on what's important .
. .
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28226295</id>
	<title>Re:Chinese Policy</title>
	<author>BeanThere</author>
	<datestamp>1244232540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Probably some wharrgarbl from the intertubes stuck in my head, but who knows.</p></div><p>Possibly - I remember wharrgarbling precisely that possibility back when that stupid 'moon truth' video came out and everyone was talking about it (someone paid a lot to make that video, seemed to me the Chinese were the ones with the motivation to fund such a thing) - and probably it was on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. here that I brought it up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably some wharrgarbl from the intertubes stuck in my head , but who knows.Possibly - I remember wharrgarbling precisely that possibility back when that stupid 'moon truth ' video came out and everyone was talking about it ( someone paid a lot to make that video , seemed to me the Chinese were the ones with the motivation to fund such a thing ) - and probably it was on / .
here that I brought it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably some wharrgarbl from the intertubes stuck in my head, but who knows.Possibly - I remember wharrgarbling precisely that possibility back when that stupid 'moon truth' video came out and everyone was talking about it (someone paid a lot to make that video, seemed to me the Chinese were the ones with the motivation to fund such a thing) - and probably it was on /.
here that I brought it up.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220451</id>
	<title>Blasted</title>
	<author>Wuahn</author>
	<datestamp>1244205960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As far as the footprint, flag, etc, are concerned, they were blasted pretty thoroughly when the ascent stage returned the astronauts to the command module.

That said, I agree that the sites should be protected but I don't think vandals and looters are going to be much of a problem for MANY decades.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as the footprint , flag , etc , are concerned , they were blasted pretty thoroughly when the ascent stage returned the astronauts to the command module .
That said , I agree that the sites should be protected but I do n't think vandals and looters are going to be much of a problem for MANY decades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as the footprint, flag, etc, are concerned, they were blasted pretty thoroughly when the ascent stage returned the astronauts to the command module.
That said, I agree that the sites should be protected but I don't think vandals and looters are going to be much of a problem for MANY decades.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219187</id>
	<title>Ugh</title>
	<author>Xenkar</author>
	<datestamp>1244232180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great, now we'll need to deal with the lunar version of NIMBYs. I was personally looking forward to Hydrogen 3 and titanium surface mining on the Moon. I want vast robotic factories on the Moon so we can start mass producing segments for cylinder-type space colonies. I want to be able to retire in one of those space colonies.</p><p>It is a shame that some people exist merely to hold the rest of us back from our ideal Star Trek future with green alien babes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , now we 'll need to deal with the lunar version of NIMBYs .
I was personally looking forward to Hydrogen 3 and titanium surface mining on the Moon .
I want vast robotic factories on the Moon so we can start mass producing segments for cylinder-type space colonies .
I want to be able to retire in one of those space colonies.It is a shame that some people exist merely to hold the rest of us back from our ideal Star Trek future with green alien babes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great, now we'll need to deal with the lunar version of NIMBYs.
I was personally looking forward to Hydrogen 3 and titanium surface mining on the Moon.
I want vast robotic factories on the Moon so we can start mass producing segments for cylinder-type space colonies.
I want to be able to retire in one of those space colonies.It is a shame that some people exist merely to hold the rest of us back from our ideal Star Trek future with green alien babes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219679</id>
	<title>What footprint, are you guys nuts</title>
	<author>giorgist</author>
	<datestamp>1244196180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OK a photo was taken of the first footprint. I am guessing they walked all over it during the mission.<br>It was inconveniently placed at the bottom of the step ladder.<br><br>It is unlikely to have survived the first few minutes, let alone the blastoff<br><br>G</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK a photo was taken of the first footprint .
I am guessing they walked all over it during the mission.It was inconveniently placed at the bottom of the step ladder.It is unlikely to have survived the first few minutes , let alone the blastoffG</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK a photo was taken of the first footprint.
I am guessing they walked all over it during the mission.It was inconveniently placed at the bottom of the step ladder.It is unlikely to have survived the first few minutes, let alone the blastoffG</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220665</id>
	<title>Re:Idolatry</title>
	<author>c0d3g33k</author>
	<datestamp>1244207640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You and I disagree on what information is considered important (not that I think a footprint should be dignified with the term "information").  The knowledge of how to get to the moon and back in the first place - *that* is information worth preserving, and would be more useful than a footprint in the dust.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You and I disagree on what information is considered important ( not that I think a footprint should be dignified with the term " information " ) .
The knowledge of how to get to the moon and back in the first place - * that * is information worth preserving , and would be more useful than a footprint in the dust .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You and I disagree on what information is considered important (not that I think a footprint should be dignified with the term "information").
The knowledge of how to get to the moon and back in the first place - *that* is information worth preserving, and would be more useful than a footprint in the dust.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219555</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221209</id>
	<title>Do they want to protect ALL the sites?</title>
	<author>Ellis D. Tripp</author>
	<datestamp>1244211180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In addition to the actual sites where the LMs set down, most Apollo missions created at least 2 OTHER "human influence sites" on the lunar surface.</p><p>The 3rd stage of the Saturn V rocket (S-IVB) was used to accomplish the translunar injection burn, and kept on heading to the moon after the LM/CSM separated from it. It was maneuvered onto a slightly different trajectory, and deliberately crashed into the moon in an experiment to test the seismographs left on previous missions.</p><p>And after the surface crew was safely back aboard the CSM in lunar orbit, the spent ascent stage of the LM was jettisoned, with it's orbit slowly decaying to an eventual crash into the lunar surface.</p><p>We don't even know where all these impact sites ARE, so forget trying to keep people 100 km away from them...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In addition to the actual sites where the LMs set down , most Apollo missions created at least 2 OTHER " human influence sites " on the lunar surface.The 3rd stage of the Saturn V rocket ( S-IVB ) was used to accomplish the translunar injection burn , and kept on heading to the moon after the LM/CSM separated from it .
It was maneuvered onto a slightly different trajectory , and deliberately crashed into the moon in an experiment to test the seismographs left on previous missions.And after the surface crew was safely back aboard the CSM in lunar orbit , the spent ascent stage of the LM was jettisoned , with it 's orbit slowly decaying to an eventual crash into the lunar surface.We do n't even know where all these impact sites ARE , so forget trying to keep people 100 km away from them.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In addition to the actual sites where the LMs set down, most Apollo missions created at least 2 OTHER "human influence sites" on the lunar surface.The 3rd stage of the Saturn V rocket (S-IVB) was used to accomplish the translunar injection burn, and kept on heading to the moon after the LM/CSM separated from it.
It was maneuvered onto a slightly different trajectory, and deliberately crashed into the moon in an experiment to test the seismographs left on previous missions.And after the surface crew was safely back aboard the CSM in lunar orbit, the spent ascent stage of the LM was jettisoned, with it's orbit slowly decaying to an eventual crash into the lunar surface.We don't even know where all these impact sites ARE, so forget trying to keep people 100 km away from them...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219459</id>
	<title>Re:Idolatry</title>
	<author>Trogre</author>
	<datestamp>1244192940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So... you're saying only things with something left to discover are worth preserving?  Just checking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So... you 're saying only things with something left to discover are worth preserving ?
Just checking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... you're saying only things with something left to discover are worth preserving?
Just checking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219209</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222169</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244215860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, it turns out to be the shopping list of things to bring to the fallout shelter from a physicist who tried (and failed) to save his wife from a nuclear exchange, and then went out in search of her and along the way helped to restart civilization, before being martyred by a bunch of anti-technology nutjobs. But thanks for playing!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it turns out to be the shopping list of things to bring to the fallout shelter from a physicist who tried ( and failed ) to save his wife from a nuclear exchange , and then went out in search of her and along the way helped to restart civilization , before being martyred by a bunch of anti-technology nutjobs .
But thanks for playing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it turns out to be the shopping list of things to bring to the fallout shelter from a physicist who tried (and failed) to save his wife from a nuclear exchange, and then went out in search of her and along the way helped to restart civilization, before being martyred by a bunch of anti-technology nutjobs.
But thanks for playing!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28220551</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28222291</id>
	<title>But that's epistemologically absurd!</title>
	<author>ElmoGonzo</author>
	<datestamp>1244216340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the same way that the question "What did I hear you say?" is absurd (How can anyone know what I hear?), so too is the notion of protecting Neil Armstrong's boot print and the rest of the Apollo landing sites.  If no one can explore them, of what use is it to protect them for historical or scientific purposes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the same way that the question " What did I hear you say ?
" is absurd ( How can anyone know what I hear ?
) , so too is the notion of protecting Neil Armstrong 's boot print and the rest of the Apollo landing sites .
If no one can explore them , of what use is it to protect them for historical or scientific purposes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the same way that the question "What did I hear you say?
" is absurd (How can anyone know what I hear?
), so too is the notion of protecting Neil Armstrong's boot print and the rest of the Apollo landing sites.
If no one can explore them, of what use is it to protect them for historical or scientific purposes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219409</id>
	<title>Re:That's retarded</title>
	<author>tbj61898</author>
	<datestamp>1244235540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bet He's having serious issues with non-virgin women...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet He 's having serious issues with non-virgin women.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet He's having serious issues with non-virgin women...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28219125</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28231363</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244285280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a load of rubbish. What, we are going to start worshipping the boot print now. Get over it! Progress is always being halted by sentiment and environmentalism. If I had the money I would offer 10x as much to land something right on the boot print!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a load of rubbish .
What , we are going to start worshipping the boot print now .
Get over it !
Progress is always being halted by sentiment and environmentalism .
If I had the money I would offer 10x as much to land something right on the boot print !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a load of rubbish.
What, we are going to start worshipping the boot print now.
Get over it!
Progress is always being halted by sentiment and environmentalism.
If I had the money I would offer 10x as much to land something right on the boot print!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_0548202.28221065</id>
	<title>Don't mess with Lunokhod 2.</title>
	<author>Ihlosi</author>
	<datestamp>1244210460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or Richard Garriot is goign to be mad (and/or send an army of lawyers after you).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or Richard Garriot is goign to be mad ( and/or send an army of lawyers after you ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or Richard Garriot is goign to be mad (and/or send an army of lawyers after you).</sentencetext>
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