<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_03_1521243</id>
	<title>Google's Android To Challenge Windows?</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1244046660000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://psoug.org/" rel="nofollow">PL/SQL Guy</a> writes <i>"Search giant Google is set to offer its free Android mobile-phone operating system for computers, <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aaNxkUvBLWdM&amp;refer=worldwide">opening a new front in its rivalry with Microsoft</a> by challenging the dominance of the company's Windows software. Acer Inc., the world's second-largest laptop maker, will <a href="http://www.telecoms.com/11738/acer-confirms-android-handsets-netbooks">release a low-cost notebook powered by Android</a> next quarter, said Jim Wong, head of information-technology products at the Taipei-based company. Calvin Huang, an analyst at Daiwa Securities Group Inc, says that adoption of Android-based netbooks will likely eat into Windows' share of PC operating systems."</i>
Meanwhile, notes reader Barence, Asus is continuing to <a href="http://www.telecoms.com/11738/acer-confirms-android-handsets-netbooks">distance itself from Android</a>, saying it "isn't a priority."</htmltext>
<tokenext>PL/SQL Guy writes " Search giant Google is set to offer its free Android mobile-phone operating system for computers , opening a new front in its rivalry with Microsoft by challenging the dominance of the company 's Windows software .
Acer Inc. , the world 's second-largest laptop maker , will release a low-cost notebook powered by Android next quarter , said Jim Wong , head of information-technology products at the Taipei-based company .
Calvin Huang , an analyst at Daiwa Securities Group Inc , says that adoption of Android-based netbooks will likely eat into Windows ' share of PC operating systems .
" Meanwhile , notes reader Barence , Asus is continuing to distance itself from Android , saying it " is n't a priority .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PL/SQL Guy writes "Search giant Google is set to offer its free Android mobile-phone operating system for computers, opening a new front in its rivalry with Microsoft by challenging the dominance of the company's Windows software.
Acer Inc., the world's second-largest laptop maker, will release a low-cost notebook powered by Android next quarter, said Jim Wong, head of information-technology products at the Taipei-based company.
Calvin Huang, an analyst at Daiwa Securities Group Inc, says that adoption of Android-based netbooks will likely eat into Windows' share of PC operating systems.
"
Meanwhile, notes reader Barence, Asus is continuing to distance itself from Android, saying it "isn't a priority.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198683</id>
	<title>Conventions</title>
	<author>slasho81</author>
	<datestamp>1244055540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The appropriate title for this should have been: "Is Android a Windows-Killer?"
<br> <br>
Come on, stick with the proper conventions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The appropriate title for this should have been : " Is Android a Windows-Killer ?
" Come on , stick with the proper conventions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The appropriate title for this should have been: "Is Android a Windows-Killer?
"
 
Come on, stick with the proper conventions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197693</id>
	<title>Re:How exactly?</title>
	<author>digsbo</author>
	<datestamp>1244051700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Branding.  Everybody knows Google.  Not everybody knows Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Suse/Mandriva/should I continue?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Branding .
Everybody knows Google .
Not everybody knows Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Suse/Mandriva/should I continue ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Branding.
Everybody knows Google.
Not everybody knows Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Suse/Mandriva/should I continue?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28199387</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>digsbo</author>
	<datestamp>1244059080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He's not an idiot. It turned out the necessary drivers weren't offered for XP for the laptop. But it took a bit of him tinkering/researching to be convinced there was no way around it.</p><p>Perhaps you can suggest a turnkey way to convert Vista drivers to XP, if you're so insightful?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's not an idiot .
It turned out the necessary drivers were n't offered for XP for the laptop .
But it took a bit of him tinkering/researching to be convinced there was no way around it.Perhaps you can suggest a turnkey way to convert Vista drivers to XP , if you 're so insightful ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's not an idiot.
It turned out the necessary drivers weren't offered for XP for the laptop.
But it took a bit of him tinkering/researching to be convinced there was no way around it.Perhaps you can suggest a turnkey way to convert Vista drivers to XP, if you're so insightful?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28200391</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244020380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I may be one of your friends. I tried Ubuntu on my Dell Mini 9. It worked OK until I was notified of updates. I did the updates and then my wireless card would no longer connect to my wireless network, windows laptops did just fine, and found it was a bug in NetworkManager. From there I opted to update from 8.1 that was just updated to the 9.x Netbook Remix.</p><p>That opened a new can of worms in that gnome-panel stopped auto-starting when I logged into my account. I tried using Kubuntu after that but then the fancy netbook desktop fought with KDE over what was loaded and I ended up with a quick launch 'desktop' fighting with the panels of Kubuntu. In the end I had to restore, and upgrade to 9.x twice. I still can't get the thing to connect to my wireless network, it will if i restore the original system, but then upgrades are prompted constantly.</p><p>Worse yet I found open bug reports for the problems from last year that are still open. I am by no means a linux expert, i'd use the term noob on myself, but I for one got sick and tired of looking through forums for answers with complicated command line scripts I don't understand yet to try to fix bugs that a free openly touted Windows alternative OS has left me with.</p><p>Honestly it bring back the point of mind that you get what you pay for. The OS may be free but if i paid myself by the hour (i am a self-employed person so I do count it) i've probably spends thousands of dollars trying to figure out why the unit doesn't function correctly. I did get some problems resolved but for petes sake at least Windows works. It's mostly UI based, and it's easy to figure out problems.</p><p>Oh, and as far as bloatware. I was in awe in the amount of software available to Ubuntu but i'll tell you I had more than 2gigs of junk installed on my netbook, seriously when you have only an 8 gig HD you notice, and whats funny is what kinds of software came pre-installed. I had tons of educational games, pre-school, and early education software. I don't think a child will be able to navigate Ubuntu, unless i'm just that out of touch (i'm 26), but I had tons of bloat. CD-ROM software, burning software, movie maker, webcam software, small kids educational software, and i have no CD-ROM/camera/kids.</p><p>Anyway, a bit of a tangent, but honestly linux may 'work' if you know how to work it. It's like flying a fighter jet compared to a car. Everyone can learn a car (windows) with a bit of practice, but you've still got to be very skilled to fly the jet (linux distros.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I may be one of your friends .
I tried Ubuntu on my Dell Mini 9 .
It worked OK until I was notified of updates .
I did the updates and then my wireless card would no longer connect to my wireless network , windows laptops did just fine , and found it was a bug in NetworkManager .
From there I opted to update from 8.1 that was just updated to the 9.x Netbook Remix.That opened a new can of worms in that gnome-panel stopped auto-starting when I logged into my account .
I tried using Kubuntu after that but then the fancy netbook desktop fought with KDE over what was loaded and I ended up with a quick launch 'desktop ' fighting with the panels of Kubuntu .
In the end I had to restore , and upgrade to 9.x twice .
I still ca n't get the thing to connect to my wireless network , it will if i restore the original system , but then upgrades are prompted constantly.Worse yet I found open bug reports for the problems from last year that are still open .
I am by no means a linux expert , i 'd use the term noob on myself , but I for one got sick and tired of looking through forums for answers with complicated command line scripts I do n't understand yet to try to fix bugs that a free openly touted Windows alternative OS has left me with.Honestly it bring back the point of mind that you get what you pay for .
The OS may be free but if i paid myself by the hour ( i am a self-employed person so I do count it ) i 've probably spends thousands of dollars trying to figure out why the unit does n't function correctly .
I did get some problems resolved but for petes sake at least Windows works .
It 's mostly UI based , and it 's easy to figure out problems.Oh , and as far as bloatware .
I was in awe in the amount of software available to Ubuntu but i 'll tell you I had more than 2gigs of junk installed on my netbook , seriously when you have only an 8 gig HD you notice , and whats funny is what kinds of software came pre-installed .
I had tons of educational games , pre-school , and early education software .
I do n't think a child will be able to navigate Ubuntu , unless i 'm just that out of touch ( i 'm 26 ) , but I had tons of bloat .
CD-ROM software , burning software , movie maker , webcam software , small kids educational software , and i have no CD-ROM/camera/kids.Anyway , a bit of a tangent , but honestly linux may 'work ' if you know how to work it .
It 's like flying a fighter jet compared to a car .
Everyone can learn a car ( windows ) with a bit of practice , but you 've still got to be very skilled to fly the jet ( linux distros .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I may be one of your friends.
I tried Ubuntu on my Dell Mini 9.
It worked OK until I was notified of updates.
I did the updates and then my wireless card would no longer connect to my wireless network, windows laptops did just fine, and found it was a bug in NetworkManager.
From there I opted to update from 8.1 that was just updated to the 9.x Netbook Remix.That opened a new can of worms in that gnome-panel stopped auto-starting when I logged into my account.
I tried using Kubuntu after that but then the fancy netbook desktop fought with KDE over what was loaded and I ended up with a quick launch 'desktop' fighting with the panels of Kubuntu.
In the end I had to restore, and upgrade to 9.x twice.
I still can't get the thing to connect to my wireless network, it will if i restore the original system, but then upgrades are prompted constantly.Worse yet I found open bug reports for the problems from last year that are still open.
I am by no means a linux expert, i'd use the term noob on myself, but I for one got sick and tired of looking through forums for answers with complicated command line scripts I don't understand yet to try to fix bugs that a free openly touted Windows alternative OS has left me with.Honestly it bring back the point of mind that you get what you pay for.
The OS may be free but if i paid myself by the hour (i am a self-employed person so I do count it) i've probably spends thousands of dollars trying to figure out why the unit doesn't function correctly.
I did get some problems resolved but for petes sake at least Windows works.
It's mostly UI based, and it's easy to figure out problems.Oh, and as far as bloatware.
I was in awe in the amount of software available to Ubuntu but i'll tell you I had more than 2gigs of junk installed on my netbook, seriously when you have only an 8 gig HD you notice, and whats funny is what kinds of software came pre-installed.
I had tons of educational games, pre-school, and early education software.
I don't think a child will be able to navigate Ubuntu, unless i'm just that out of touch (i'm 26), but I had tons of bloat.
CD-ROM software, burning software, movie maker, webcam software, small kids educational software, and i have no CD-ROM/camera/kids.Anyway, a bit of a tangent, but honestly linux may 'work' if you know how to work it.
It's like flying a fighter jet compared to a car.
Everyone can learn a car (windows) with a bit of practice, but you've still got to be very skilled to fly the jet (linux distros.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197943</id>
	<title>Re:Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244052660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Linux has already been edged out of the netbook market by Windows</p></div></blockquote><p>I agreed with your analysis otherwise, but this battle is just starting... We haven't seen usable preinstalled linux netbooks yet, and if we do get those they are going to be a very hard curve ball for MS: Microsoft wants people to move from XP to Windows 7, which is going to mean a price hike because of hardware demands and another for the more expensive OS.</p><p>My guess: If Moblin et al can match or pass Windows 7 in UI design and general usability (something that should be possible in a segment like netbooks), the easily available applications and significantly lower price are going even out the inevitable compatibility problems...</p><p>But android on a netbook? That just sounds like they are going to try Qualcomms snapdragon and can't really run proper desktop applications without slowing to a crawl.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux has already been edged out of the netbook market by WindowsI agreed with your analysis otherwise , but this battle is just starting... We have n't seen usable preinstalled linux netbooks yet , and if we do get those they are going to be a very hard curve ball for MS : Microsoft wants people to move from XP to Windows 7 , which is going to mean a price hike because of hardware demands and another for the more expensive OS.My guess : If Moblin et al can match or pass Windows 7 in UI design and general usability ( something that should be possible in a segment like netbooks ) , the easily available applications and significantly lower price are going even out the inevitable compatibility problems...But android on a netbook ?
That just sounds like they are going to try Qualcomms snapdragon and ca n't really run proper desktop applications without slowing to a crawl .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux has already been edged out of the netbook market by WindowsI agreed with your analysis otherwise, but this battle is just starting... We haven't seen usable preinstalled linux netbooks yet, and if we do get those they are going to be a very hard curve ball for MS: Microsoft wants people to move from XP to Windows 7, which is going to mean a price hike because of hardware demands and another for the more expensive OS.My guess: If Moblin et al can match or pass Windows 7 in UI design and general usability (something that should be possible in a segment like netbooks), the easily available applications and significantly lower price are going even out the inevitable compatibility problems...But android on a netbook?
That just sounds like they are going to try Qualcomms snapdragon and can't really run proper desktop applications without slowing to a crawl.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197371</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28204555</id>
	<title>Re:Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>AceofSpades19</author>
	<datestamp>1244038920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Here we have a very interesting inversion of the typical Open vs Closed debate. Although Windows itself may be a closed source OS, it is actually a very open system. And although Android is built on layers of open source components, it is fundamentally a closed system (like iPhone).</p><p>The target audience for Android PCs would be one which needs a dedicated internet browsing device. Anything more would mean that they would be looking at Windows.</p><p>This strategy has been tried several times before. And it has failed every time. Linux has already been edged out of the netbook market by Windows, so it's going to be interesting to see how an even more crippled system could possibly compete.</p></div><p>The only reason linux "was edged out of the netbook market" is because the OEMs are fucking retarded when it comes it to deploying linux. They didn't even make an effort to get people to buy it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here we have a very interesting inversion of the typical Open vs Closed debate .
Although Windows itself may be a closed source OS , it is actually a very open system .
And although Android is built on layers of open source components , it is fundamentally a closed system ( like iPhone ) .The target audience for Android PCs would be one which needs a dedicated internet browsing device .
Anything more would mean that they would be looking at Windows.This strategy has been tried several times before .
And it has failed every time .
Linux has already been edged out of the netbook market by Windows , so it 's going to be interesting to see how an even more crippled system could possibly compete.The only reason linux " was edged out of the netbook market " is because the OEMs are fucking retarded when it comes it to deploying linux .
They did n't even make an effort to get people to buy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here we have a very interesting inversion of the typical Open vs Closed debate.
Although Windows itself may be a closed source OS, it is actually a very open system.
And although Android is built on layers of open source components, it is fundamentally a closed system (like iPhone).The target audience for Android PCs would be one which needs a dedicated internet browsing device.
Anything more would mean that they would be looking at Windows.This strategy has been tried several times before.
And it has failed every time.
Linux has already been edged out of the netbook market by Windows, so it's going to be interesting to see how an even more crippled system could possibly compete.The only reason linux "was edged out of the netbook market" is because the OEMs are fucking retarded when it comes it to deploying linux.
They didn't even make an effort to get people to buy it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197957</id>
	<title>Re:Contradictory Statements!</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1244052720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's easy for this to appear as contradictory statements and here's why.</p><p><i>Asus distances itself from Android netbook.</i><br>Don't forget, Acer's an OEM.  They build lots of devices.  Building a sample laptop for Qualcomm has little to do with what happens with Acer branded products.  Does Acer brand similar products to their OEM devices?  Sure.  Management at Acer will **only** follow Qualcomm, HP, Dell products with an Acer branded version they don't ever take huge leading gambles that would piss off Redmond.</p><p><i>When you release an ARM Processor based chipset in a netbook, you're actually distancing yourself from Windows and x86 applications.</i><br>The 'you' in your statement is probably their OEM side building a product for bid.  Microsoft knows they have no control over this end.  Microsoft/Intel would go to Qualcomm and get the spec changed to suit them, at a cost to Microsoft.  But that's how they'd do it.</p><p><i>just don't alarm our Redmond masters</i><br>The OEM/ODM side doesn't really fear Microsoft.  If it sells more devices with a Microsoft product on-board, then Microsoft it is!  The same is true for the Acer-branded stuff.  As long as a device with a Microsoft OS moves more product, Microsoft has some influence.  At some point Microsoft runs out of resources to crowd out totally Free competitors.  Hopefully that happens in my lifetime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's easy for this to appear as contradictory statements and here 's why.Asus distances itself from Android netbook.Do n't forget , Acer 's an OEM .
They build lots of devices .
Building a sample laptop for Qualcomm has little to do with what happens with Acer branded products .
Does Acer brand similar products to their OEM devices ?
Sure. Management at Acer will * * only * * follow Qualcomm , HP , Dell products with an Acer branded version they do n't ever take huge leading gambles that would piss off Redmond.When you release an ARM Processor based chipset in a netbook , you 're actually distancing yourself from Windows and x86 applications.The 'you ' in your statement is probably their OEM side building a product for bid .
Microsoft knows they have no control over this end .
Microsoft/Intel would go to Qualcomm and get the spec changed to suit them , at a cost to Microsoft .
But that 's how they 'd do it.just do n't alarm our Redmond mastersThe OEM/ODM side does n't really fear Microsoft .
If it sells more devices with a Microsoft product on-board , then Microsoft it is !
The same is true for the Acer-branded stuff .
As long as a device with a Microsoft OS moves more product , Microsoft has some influence .
At some point Microsoft runs out of resources to crowd out totally Free competitors .
Hopefully that happens in my lifetime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's easy for this to appear as contradictory statements and here's why.Asus distances itself from Android netbook.Don't forget, Acer's an OEM.
They build lots of devices.
Building a sample laptop for Qualcomm has little to do with what happens with Acer branded products.
Does Acer brand similar products to their OEM devices?
Sure.  Management at Acer will **only** follow Qualcomm, HP, Dell products with an Acer branded version they don't ever take huge leading gambles that would piss off Redmond.When you release an ARM Processor based chipset in a netbook, you're actually distancing yourself from Windows and x86 applications.The 'you' in your statement is probably their OEM side building a product for bid.
Microsoft knows they have no control over this end.
Microsoft/Intel would go to Qualcomm and get the spec changed to suit them, at a cost to Microsoft.
But that's how they'd do it.just don't alarm our Redmond mastersThe OEM/ODM side doesn't really fear Microsoft.
If it sells more devices with a Microsoft product on-board, then Microsoft it is!
The same is true for the Acer-branded stuff.
As long as a device with a Microsoft OS moves more product, Microsoft has some influence.
At some point Microsoft runs out of resources to crowd out totally Free competitors.
Hopefully that happens in my lifetime.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28207053</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244112480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Stop being so anecdotal and go and fucking install it so you have a clue what you're talking about!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop being so anecdotal and go and fucking install it so you have a clue what you 're talking about !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Stop being so anecdotal and go and fucking install it so you have a clue what you're talking about!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197503</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28201531</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1244024520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When that day comes, the company I work for will release Linux versions of all of our applications.  We've already built them and I use them often, but there is no way in hell I'm going to deal with the support issues associated with giving them to an end user at this point.  Make me a target I can aim for and hit and I'm on your side, until then I'd rather make money and not piss off our customers with a product that works half assed because I can't be sure of anything about their software/hardware combo.  Windows has an API that is stable enough that its an EASY target to hit.   We have about 600 lines of code to deal with differences between Windows 2000 all the way to Windows 7.  We do require a couple Microsoft compatibility fixes for Vista/Windows7, but other than that, out of a couple million lines of code, 600 is all that matters.</p><p>I upgrade my ubuntu box and at best I can get by with just recompiling existing sources, many times I'll have to make some sort of minor tweaks to the code.  So unless I tell customers they have to use an exact version of the kernel, libraries and all sorts of other things, its not worth it.  And no one wants to hear that.  So its just easier and less frustrating to the customer to say 'we don't support it, sorry'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When that day comes , the company I work for will release Linux versions of all of our applications .
We 've already built them and I use them often , but there is no way in hell I 'm going to deal with the support issues associated with giving them to an end user at this point .
Make me a target I can aim for and hit and I 'm on your side , until then I 'd rather make money and not piss off our customers with a product that works half assed because I ca n't be sure of anything about their software/hardware combo .
Windows has an API that is stable enough that its an EASY target to hit .
We have about 600 lines of code to deal with differences between Windows 2000 all the way to Windows 7 .
We do require a couple Microsoft compatibility fixes for Vista/Windows7 , but other than that , out of a couple million lines of code , 600 is all that matters.I upgrade my ubuntu box and at best I can get by with just recompiling existing sources , many times I 'll have to make some sort of minor tweaks to the code .
So unless I tell customers they have to use an exact version of the kernel , libraries and all sorts of other things , its not worth it .
And no one wants to hear that .
So its just easier and less frustrating to the customer to say 'we do n't support it , sorry' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When that day comes, the company I work for will release Linux versions of all of our applications.
We've already built them and I use them often, but there is no way in hell I'm going to deal with the support issues associated with giving them to an end user at this point.
Make me a target I can aim for and hit and I'm on your side, until then I'd rather make money and not piss off our customers with a product that works half assed because I can't be sure of anything about their software/hardware combo.
Windows has an API that is stable enough that its an EASY target to hit.
We have about 600 lines of code to deal with differences between Windows 2000 all the way to Windows 7.
We do require a couple Microsoft compatibility fixes for Vista/Windows7, but other than that, out of a couple million lines of code, 600 is all that matters.I upgrade my ubuntu box and at best I can get by with just recompiling existing sources, many times I'll have to make some sort of minor tweaks to the code.
So unless I tell customers they have to use an exact version of the kernel, libraries and all sorts of other things, its not worth it.
And no one wants to hear that.
So its just easier and less frustrating to the customer to say 'we don't support it, sorry'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197601</id>
	<title>Re:Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>socketwiz</author>
	<datestamp>1244051400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The number of people that want to do only those things is so small its a moot point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The number of people that want to do only those things is so small its a moot point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The number of people that want to do only those things is so small its a moot point.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28200871</id>
	<title>Re:Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1244022120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Linux has already been edged out of the netbook market by Windows, so it's going to be interesting to see how an even more crippled system could possibly compete.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
In what way do you consider Linux "crippled?"
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<tokenext>Linux has already been edged out of the netbook market by Windows , so it 's going to be interesting to see how an even more crippled system could possibly compete .
In what way do you consider Linux " crippled ?
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<sentencetext>Linux has already been edged out of the netbook market by Windows, so it's going to be interesting to see how an even more crippled system could possibly compete.
In what way do you consider Linux "crippled?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28199771</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>JasterBobaMereel</author>
	<datestamp>1244061060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try installing Windows (any version) on a random Laptop<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... it will fail with hardware driver problems just as much</p><p>The drivers you get pre-installed with the laptop are carefully tailored by the manufacturer of the laptop to work<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the standard ones often have problems,they are more likely to be fixable for windows but you still need to hunt<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p><p>If the manufacturer of the laptop did Linux drivers for all the hardware it would be as little hassle</p><p>Most people *never* install Windows or OSX it comes preinstalled</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try installing Windows ( any version ) on a random Laptop .... it will fail with hardware driver problems just as muchThe drivers you get pre-installed with the laptop are carefully tailored by the manufacturer of the laptop to work ... the standard ones often have problems,they are more likely to be fixable for windows but you still need to hunt ....If the manufacturer of the laptop did Linux drivers for all the hardware it would be as little hassleMost people * never * install Windows or OSX it comes preinstalled</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try installing Windows (any version) on a random Laptop .... it will fail with hardware driver problems just as muchThe drivers you get pre-installed with the laptop are carefully tailored by the manufacturer of the laptop to work ... the standard ones often have problems,they are more likely to be fixable for windows but you still need to hunt ....If the manufacturer of the laptop did Linux drivers for all the hardware it would be as little hassleMost people *never* install Windows or OSX it comes preinstalled</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28199009</id>
	<title>Re:Er... what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244057160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think he means you can't get the source for the Android that runs on your phone (G1 for example). So even if you build Android and flash it on your phone, it might not be able to use all the phone's features.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think he means you ca n't get the source for the Android that runs on your phone ( G1 for example ) .
So even if you build Android and flash it on your phone , it might not be able to use all the phone 's features .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think he means you can't get the source for the Android that runs on your phone (G1 for example).
So even if you build Android and flash it on your phone, it might not be able to use all the phone's features.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198649</id>
	<title>Unity, name recognition, money.</title>
	<author>guidryp</author>
	<datestamp>1244055420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"What does android has that linux doesn't?"</p><p>Unity: as opposed to the fragmentation of Linux. Linux has ~1\% of the desktop market and that is divided into a hundred fragments. I say this as someone who uses RH at work and Ubuntu at home (secondary boot to windows). I am not going to get into a back and forth over the benefit of the freedom to fork new things. Yep thats nice, but with the utter fragmentation reducing Linux to the ghetto forever, it has IMO relegated it to the backwaters forever.</p><p>Name recognition: To stand out from the Linux rabble.</p><p>Money: to advertise/fix issue/build whatever they need to make it work...</p><p>From all of the above you get buy in, trust, investment.</p><p>I'd love to replace my Ubuntu boot with Android if it ever heads in that direction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" What does android has that linux does n't ?
" Unity : as opposed to the fragmentation of Linux .
Linux has ~ 1 \ % of the desktop market and that is divided into a hundred fragments .
I say this as someone who uses RH at work and Ubuntu at home ( secondary boot to windows ) .
I am not going to get into a back and forth over the benefit of the freedom to fork new things .
Yep thats nice , but with the utter fragmentation reducing Linux to the ghetto forever , it has IMO relegated it to the backwaters forever.Name recognition : To stand out from the Linux rabble.Money : to advertise/fix issue/build whatever they need to make it work...From all of the above you get buy in , trust , investment.I 'd love to replace my Ubuntu boot with Android if it ever heads in that direction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"What does android has that linux doesn't?
"Unity: as opposed to the fragmentation of Linux.
Linux has ~1\% of the desktop market and that is divided into a hundred fragments.
I say this as someone who uses RH at work and Ubuntu at home (secondary boot to windows).
I am not going to get into a back and forth over the benefit of the freedom to fork new things.
Yep thats nice, but with the utter fragmentation reducing Linux to the ghetto forever, it has IMO relegated it to the backwaters forever.Name recognition: To stand out from the Linux rabble.Money: to advertise/fix issue/build whatever they need to make it work...From all of the above you get buy in, trust, investment.I'd love to replace my Ubuntu boot with Android if it ever heads in that direction.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198509</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>SBFCOblivion</author>
	<datestamp>1244054820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But at the same time I can't imagine anyone's mom or grandmother installing windows either. Most systems come preloaded so a lot of people who do use windows don't actually know anything about installing it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But at the same time I ca n't imagine anyone 's mom or grandmother installing windows either .
Most systems come preloaded so a lot of people who do use windows do n't actually know anything about installing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But at the same time I can't imagine anyone's mom or grandmother installing windows either.
Most systems come preloaded so a lot of people who do use windows don't actually know anything about installing it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198271</id>
	<title>Re:Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>HangingChad</author>
	<datestamp>1244053920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>The number of people that want to do only those things is so small its a moot point.</i>

</p><p>You might be surprised.  If you want to look at what's likely to happen in the tech market, look to Japan.  The netbook/internet appliance trend started there way before it came to our shores.  The trend toward less expensive appliance type devices has continued to expand over there and I can't see a reason to think the same thing won't happen here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The number of people that want to do only those things is so small its a moot point .
You might be surprised .
If you want to look at what 's likely to happen in the tech market , look to Japan .
The netbook/internet appliance trend started there way before it came to our shores .
The trend toward less expensive appliance type devices has continued to expand over there and I ca n't see a reason to think the same thing wo n't happen here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The number of people that want to do only those things is so small its a moot point.
You might be surprised.
If you want to look at what's likely to happen in the tech market, look to Japan.
The netbook/internet appliance trend started there way before it came to our shores.
The trend toward less expensive appliance type devices has continued to expand over there and I can't see a reason to think the same thing won't happen here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198663</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244055480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree.  Use Ubuntu as a standard in schools, and whole generations of people will grow accustomed to it.  Put them on Windows later, and many of them will give it up on their first virus infection, because Ubuntu "just doesn't do that".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
Use Ubuntu as a standard in schools , and whole generations of people will grow accustomed to it .
Put them on Windows later , and many of them will give it up on their first virus infection , because Ubuntu " just does n't do that " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
Use Ubuntu as a standard in schools, and whole generations of people will grow accustomed to it.
Put them on Windows later, and many of them will give it up on their first virus infection, because Ubuntu "just doesn't do that".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198813</id>
	<title>At last!</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1244056320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just realised a few days ago that there was something wrong with the desktop OS market: you have a declining giant which held until now pretty much 98\% of its market (non-Mac PC market), a strong but much smaller giant which is much more limited in how it can eat the big declining giant because he requires buying a whole new machine (and doesn't even cover all the ranges of machines, i.e. hardly any low end machines), and the rest, which is the tiny Linux and BSD guys who can't do much because well, none of them are anywhere near being giants.</p><p>So I thought something is missing, cause if the big giant is declining fast, then another giant has to help him lose its market share. Apple can only do it in a very limited manner, and even if desktop Linux was ready as a product it just isn't pushed into the desktop OS market by a giant.</p><p>And there comes Google and its Android platform. If they are actually going for the desktop market, and if they do things right, then I believe that within a few years they'll manage to relieve Microsoft from a portion of their desktop OS share that we'd consider quite significant by our current standards (understand 5-10\% in 5 years), and in the long term they may turn out to be the ones who break the Windows' image of being the big OS you can't do without.

</p><p>That's a huge challenge, but the thing about Google is, they're fucking huge now, but their biggest thing is still by far their web searching, and they're as big as one can be there, so I think they need something else that is huge to get into. Taking a shot at replacing Windows on desktops/laptops/netbooks seems like a logical choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just realised a few days ago that there was something wrong with the desktop OS market : you have a declining giant which held until now pretty much 98 \ % of its market ( non-Mac PC market ) , a strong but much smaller giant which is much more limited in how it can eat the big declining giant because he requires buying a whole new machine ( and does n't even cover all the ranges of machines , i.e .
hardly any low end machines ) , and the rest , which is the tiny Linux and BSD guys who ca n't do much because well , none of them are anywhere near being giants.So I thought something is missing , cause if the big giant is declining fast , then another giant has to help him lose its market share .
Apple can only do it in a very limited manner , and even if desktop Linux was ready as a product it just is n't pushed into the desktop OS market by a giant.And there comes Google and its Android platform .
If they are actually going for the desktop market , and if they do things right , then I believe that within a few years they 'll manage to relieve Microsoft from a portion of their desktop OS share that we 'd consider quite significant by our current standards ( understand 5-10 \ % in 5 years ) , and in the long term they may turn out to be the ones who break the Windows ' image of being the big OS you ca n't do without .
That 's a huge challenge , but the thing about Google is , they 're fucking huge now , but their biggest thing is still by far their web searching , and they 're as big as one can be there , so I think they need something else that is huge to get into .
Taking a shot at replacing Windows on desktops/laptops/netbooks seems like a logical choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just realised a few days ago that there was something wrong with the desktop OS market: you have a declining giant which held until now pretty much 98\% of its market (non-Mac PC market), a strong but much smaller giant which is much more limited in how it can eat the big declining giant because he requires buying a whole new machine (and doesn't even cover all the ranges of machines, i.e.
hardly any low end machines), and the rest, which is the tiny Linux and BSD guys who can't do much because well, none of them are anywhere near being giants.So I thought something is missing, cause if the big giant is declining fast, then another giant has to help him lose its market share.
Apple can only do it in a very limited manner, and even if desktop Linux was ready as a product it just isn't pushed into the desktop OS market by a giant.And there comes Google and its Android platform.
If they are actually going for the desktop market, and if they do things right, then I believe that within a few years they'll manage to relieve Microsoft from a portion of their desktop OS share that we'd consider quite significant by our current standards (understand 5-10\% in 5 years), and in the long term they may turn out to be the ones who break the Windows' image of being the big OS you can't do without.
That's a huge challenge, but the thing about Google is, they're fucking huge now, but their biggest thing is still by far their web searching, and they're as big as one can be there, so I think they need something else that is huge to get into.
Taking a shot at replacing Windows on desktops/laptops/netbooks seems like a logical choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28204045</id>
	<title>Re:How exactly?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244035020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Android has Standards.</p><p>If you want linux to succeed, you need to standardize it on the most basic level. "Flavors" should be to the OS what "floorplan" is to a spec house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Android has Standards.If you want linux to succeed , you need to standardize it on the most basic level .
" Flavors " should be to the OS what " floorplan " is to a spec house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android has Standards.If you want linux to succeed, you need to standardize it on the most basic level.
"Flavors" should be to the OS what "floorplan" is to a spec house.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197795</id>
	<title>Er... what?</title>
	<author>brunes69</author>
	<datestamp>1244052060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In what way is Android a closed system? Anyone can write Android apps. The API is fully open. Anyone can publish them to the Google ap store. Or you can just install them individually like any application for any OS.</p><p>I don't see how you can compare Android to the iPhone as both being closed. The iPhone is closed in every single way. Android in nearly none.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In what way is Android a closed system ?
Anyone can write Android apps .
The API is fully open .
Anyone can publish them to the Google ap store .
Or you can just install them individually like any application for any OS.I do n't see how you can compare Android to the iPhone as both being closed .
The iPhone is closed in every single way .
Android in nearly none .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In what way is Android a closed system?
Anyone can write Android apps.
The API is fully open.
Anyone can publish them to the Google ap store.
Or you can just install them individually like any application for any OS.I don't see how you can compare Android to the iPhone as both being closed.
The iPhone is closed in every single way.
Android in nearly none.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198895</id>
	<title>Java</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244056740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why isn't anyone here worried about its Java-only API? I'm running an c2d E8500 @ 4.5GHz, DDR@2GHz 6-6-6-20 (the cooling system protrudes through the case),  just so that the IDEs for Android and Blackberry don't make me wait 2 seconds after each char I type in the text-editor and 10 minutes for each compile+run.<br>The G1 simply can't handle stuff a 33MHz x86 could.<br>Java is extremely useless or downright anti-productive for serious code.<br>So, you can't expect to have more than a simplified web-browser, a calendar and a calculator in that notebook (or *gasp*  PC). Why not have the thing in your pocket in the form of a G1, then??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is n't anyone here worried about its Java-only API ?
I 'm running an c2d E8500 @ 4.5GHz , DDR @ 2GHz 6-6-6-20 ( the cooling system protrudes through the case ) , just so that the IDEs for Android and Blackberry do n't make me wait 2 seconds after each char I type in the text-editor and 10 minutes for each compile + run.The G1 simply ca n't handle stuff a 33MHz x86 could.Java is extremely useless or downright anti-productive for serious code.So , you ca n't expect to have more than a simplified web-browser , a calendar and a calculator in that notebook ( or * gasp * PC ) .
Why not have the thing in your pocket in the form of a G1 , then ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why isn't anyone here worried about its Java-only API?
I'm running an c2d E8500 @ 4.5GHz, DDR@2GHz 6-6-6-20 (the cooling system protrudes through the case),  just so that the IDEs for Android and Blackberry don't make me wait 2 seconds after each char I type in the text-editor and 10 minutes for each compile+run.The G1 simply can't handle stuff a 33MHz x86 could.Java is extremely useless or downright anti-productive for serious code.So, you can't expect to have more than a simplified web-browser, a calendar and a calculator in that notebook (or *gasp*  PC).
Why not have the thing in your pocket in the form of a G1, then?
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28207341</id>
	<title>Re:Next Wave</title>
	<author>crhylove</author>
	<datestamp>1244117040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're forgetting something: hardware is constantly lowering in price.  There will be a tiny laptop the size of a sidekick that can run XP for $100 sometime in the next 2 years.</p><p>Why the fuck would you pay for an iPhone then?  So you could do LESS and pay more?</p><p>Sure, I'm a FOSS zealot that would like to see Linux win out as the OS, but then I was rooting for openmoko, and they seem pretty dead too.  I can still run zsnes, skype, and firefox in XP.  If there was a good linux phone that did all that for $100, everyone would buy that instead.</p><p>We'll just have to wait and see.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're forgetting something : hardware is constantly lowering in price .
There will be a tiny laptop the size of a sidekick that can run XP for $ 100 sometime in the next 2 years.Why the fuck would you pay for an iPhone then ?
So you could do LESS and pay more ? Sure , I 'm a FOSS zealot that would like to see Linux win out as the OS , but then I was rooting for openmoko , and they seem pretty dead too .
I can still run zsnes , skype , and firefox in XP .
If there was a good linux phone that did all that for $ 100 , everyone would buy that instead.We 'll just have to wait and see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're forgetting something: hardware is constantly lowering in price.
There will be a tiny laptop the size of a sidekick that can run XP for $100 sometime in the next 2 years.Why the fuck would you pay for an iPhone then?
So you could do LESS and pay more?Sure, I'm a FOSS zealot that would like to see Linux win out as the OS, but then I was rooting for openmoko, and they seem pretty dead too.
I can still run zsnes, skype, and firefox in XP.
If there was a good linux phone that did all that for $100, everyone would buy that instead.We'll just have to wait and see.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28203841</id>
	<title>Re:How exactly?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244033640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What does android has that linux doesn't?</p></div><p>Grammar.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What does android has that linux does n't ? Grammar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does android has that linux doesn't?Grammar.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28199629</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>Rary</author>
	<datestamp>1244060220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's not that the thing's 'ready to go', the problem still remains that the majority people currently using windows are use to windows and don't want to spend another 5 years learning a new operating system with new software.</p></div><p>You're absolutely right. The "Year of the Linux Desktop" people need to get it through their heads that most people <i>aren't interested in changing their OS</i>. Sure, lots of people bitch and complain about Windows, but most are content sticking with what they already have.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>We really need to target the younger audiences and schools if we want to make progress.  It's something that windows did early on, and something that worked very well.</p></div><p>Targeting schools would only be effective if the schools' students didn't already have Windows machines at home, which they mostly do. Sure, you may end up with a generation of kids that are more adaptable, with both Windows and Linux skills, but they're still going to end up in a workplace that uses Windows, and dealing with family and friends who use Windows.</p><p>Honestly, I love the idea of Linux (and F/OSS in general), I love Linux on the server (it's all I use on servers), and I even like (not love) Linux on the desktop, but I don't see myself switching from Windows in the foreseeable future. I seriously doubt the "Year of the Linux Desktop" is ever going to happen.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not that the thing 's 'ready to go ' , the problem still remains that the majority people currently using windows are use to windows and do n't want to spend another 5 years learning a new operating system with new software.You 're absolutely right .
The " Year of the Linux Desktop " people need to get it through their heads that most people are n't interested in changing their OS .
Sure , lots of people bitch and complain about Windows , but most are content sticking with what they already have.We really need to target the younger audiences and schools if we want to make progress .
It 's something that windows did early on , and something that worked very well.Targeting schools would only be effective if the schools ' students did n't already have Windows machines at home , which they mostly do .
Sure , you may end up with a generation of kids that are more adaptable , with both Windows and Linux skills , but they 're still going to end up in a workplace that uses Windows , and dealing with family and friends who use Windows.Honestly , I love the idea of Linux ( and F/OSS in general ) , I love Linux on the server ( it 's all I use on servers ) , and I even like ( not love ) Linux on the desktop , but I do n't see myself switching from Windows in the foreseeable future .
I seriously doubt the " Year of the Linux Desktop " is ever going to happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not that the thing's 'ready to go', the problem still remains that the majority people currently using windows are use to windows and don't want to spend another 5 years learning a new operating system with new software.You're absolutely right.
The "Year of the Linux Desktop" people need to get it through their heads that most people aren't interested in changing their OS.
Sure, lots of people bitch and complain about Windows, but most are content sticking with what they already have.We really need to target the younger audiences and schools if we want to make progress.
It's something that windows did early on, and something that worked very well.Targeting schools would only be effective if the schools' students didn't already have Windows machines at home, which they mostly do.
Sure, you may end up with a generation of kids that are more adaptable, with both Windows and Linux skills, but they're still going to end up in a workplace that uses Windows, and dealing with family and friends who use Windows.Honestly, I love the idea of Linux (and F/OSS in general), I love Linux on the server (it's all I use on servers), and I even like (not love) Linux on the desktop, but I don't see myself switching from Windows in the foreseeable future.
I seriously doubt the "Year of the Linux Desktop" is ever going to happen.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197561</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian?</title>
	<author>harryandthehenderson</author>
	<datestamp>1244051280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Right now, Android is more a rival for symbian than for Windows.</p></div><p>And it's just about as much of a threat to Symbian as it is to Windows: not at all.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Right now , Android is more a rival for symbian than for Windows.And it 's just about as much of a threat to Symbian as it is to Windows : not at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now, Android is more a rival for symbian than for Windows.And it's just about as much of a threat to Symbian as it is to Windows: not at all.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28204675</id>
	<title>Re:Explain to me why Android is good for Netbooks.</title>
	<author>Civil\_Disobedient</author>
	<datestamp>1244039760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because Google can put a lot more pressure on the hardware vendors than the Linux community can.  And that means they will have more <i>"it just works"</i> success rates than Linux.  This has always been Apple's big secret.  The more you can guarantee that the hardware will just work, the more time the software guys can have working on fancy user interfaces.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because Google can put a lot more pressure on the hardware vendors than the Linux community can .
And that means they will have more " it just works " success rates than Linux .
This has always been Apple 's big secret .
The more you can guarantee that the hardware will just work , the more time the software guys can have working on fancy user interfaces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because Google can put a lot more pressure on the hardware vendors than the Linux community can.
And that means they will have more "it just works" success rates than Linux.
This has always been Apple's big secret.
The more you can guarantee that the hardware will just work, the more time the software guys can have working on fancy user interfaces.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197501</id>
	<title>Re:Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244050980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the problem is that you can't produce the hardware cheap enough to make Windows compatibility a non-issue. If you could buy a typical sized netbook that could just do email and browse the internet (including supporting things like flash, like it or not) nobody would care which OS it used.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the problem is that you ca n't produce the hardware cheap enough to make Windows compatibility a non-issue .
If you could buy a typical sized netbook that could just do email and browse the internet ( including supporting things like flash , like it or not ) nobody would care which OS it used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the problem is that you can't produce the hardware cheap enough to make Windows compatibility a non-issue.
If you could buy a typical sized netbook that could just do email and browse the internet (including supporting things like flash, like it or not) nobody would care which OS it used.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28207295</id>
	<title>I sort of agree, except....</title>
	<author>crhylove</author>
	<datestamp>1244116500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... I think that PRICE is the motivating factor here.  As soon as we see quantities of netbooks that are $100, the OS won't matter much.  Hell, I'd run Windows 98 if I could get a fast netbook that did skype for $100.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... I think that PRICE is the motivating factor here .
As soon as we see quantities of netbooks that are $ 100 , the OS wo n't matter much .
Hell , I 'd run Windows 98 if I could get a fast netbook that did skype for $ 100 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... I think that PRICE is the motivating factor here.
As soon as we see quantities of netbooks that are $100, the OS won't matter much.
Hell, I'd run Windows 98 if I could get a fast netbook that did skype for $100.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197989</id>
	<title>Not fair!</title>
	<author>Maavin</author>
	<datestamp>1244052840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think windows is challenged enough... ^\_\_\_\_^;</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think windows is challenged enough... ^ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ ^ ;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think windows is challenged enough... ^\_\_\_\_^;</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28202699</id>
	<title>Missing the Point</title>
	<author>salesgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1244028660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is such a misunderstanding of what is going on with netbooks. There are two markets developing, and they could not be more different. The most important difference is who the customer really is:</p><p>Consumers (meaning you and me) are buying cheap, small, wimpy laptops.  This is the market that is going crazy right now as people are buying $279 netbooks instead of $500 laptops. (Windows is a plus here as it protects the buyer's investment in legacy software). For most netbook buyers, it's either a compliment to their desktop or it is the primary machine for a non power user.  Linux is important in this market because MS was forced to allow XP to be sold as Vista was too heavy, and will continue to be too heavy.  In fact, MS had end of lifed XP before allowing netbook manufacturers to distribute with their computers.</p><p>- and -</p><p>Cell phone carriers are buying connected netbooks.  Cell carriers want to sell these inexpensive netbooks locked on to their network. It's a way to sell another connection to you for $50/month using their traditional loss leader strategy (have a $250 phone for free, just pay us $50/month for two years).  Windows is a liability here as it takes a lot more end user support than a purpose built environment like Android. Windows also just can't be locked down like Android either (this is considered good. Android is not itself a consumer product, but Android applications are).  Most software is going to be either small applications that are installed on the netbook or bigger ones that are provided via browser (Google Apps).  Android is built to deliver internet based applications and distribute applications in a way that limits the need for technical support.  In other words: it's amazingly easy to use for end users and doesn't break in ways that reqire support calls.  It also can be locked down to the carrier's needs (doing so may limit what Google software may be shipped with the device).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is such a misunderstanding of what is going on with netbooks .
There are two markets developing , and they could not be more different .
The most important difference is who the customer really is : Consumers ( meaning you and me ) are buying cheap , small , wimpy laptops .
This is the market that is going crazy right now as people are buying $ 279 netbooks instead of $ 500 laptops .
( Windows is a plus here as it protects the buyer 's investment in legacy software ) .
For most netbook buyers , it 's either a compliment to their desktop or it is the primary machine for a non power user .
Linux is important in this market because MS was forced to allow XP to be sold as Vista was too heavy , and will continue to be too heavy .
In fact , MS had end of lifed XP before allowing netbook manufacturers to distribute with their computers.- and -Cell phone carriers are buying connected netbooks .
Cell carriers want to sell these inexpensive netbooks locked on to their network .
It 's a way to sell another connection to you for $ 50/month using their traditional loss leader strategy ( have a $ 250 phone for free , just pay us $ 50/month for two years ) .
Windows is a liability here as it takes a lot more end user support than a purpose built environment like Android .
Windows also just ca n't be locked down like Android either ( this is considered good .
Android is not itself a consumer product , but Android applications are ) .
Most software is going to be either small applications that are installed on the netbook or bigger ones that are provided via browser ( Google Apps ) .
Android is built to deliver internet based applications and distribute applications in a way that limits the need for technical support .
In other words : it 's amazingly easy to use for end users and does n't break in ways that reqire support calls .
It also can be locked down to the carrier 's needs ( doing so may limit what Google software may be shipped with the device ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is such a misunderstanding of what is going on with netbooks.
There are two markets developing, and they could not be more different.
The most important difference is who the customer really is:Consumers (meaning you and me) are buying cheap, small, wimpy laptops.
This is the market that is going crazy right now as people are buying $279 netbooks instead of $500 laptops.
(Windows is a plus here as it protects the buyer's investment in legacy software).
For most netbook buyers, it's either a compliment to their desktop or it is the primary machine for a non power user.
Linux is important in this market because MS was forced to allow XP to be sold as Vista was too heavy, and will continue to be too heavy.
In fact, MS had end of lifed XP before allowing netbook manufacturers to distribute with their computers.- and -Cell phone carriers are buying connected netbooks.
Cell carriers want to sell these inexpensive netbooks locked on to their network.
It's a way to sell another connection to you for $50/month using their traditional loss leader strategy (have a $250 phone for free, just pay us $50/month for two years).
Windows is a liability here as it takes a lot more end user support than a purpose built environment like Android.
Windows also just can't be locked down like Android either (this is considered good.
Android is not itself a consumer product, but Android applications are).
Most software is going to be either small applications that are installed on the netbook or bigger ones that are provided via browser (Google Apps).
Android is built to deliver internet based applications and distribute applications in a way that limits the need for technical support.
In other words: it's amazingly easy to use for end users and doesn't break in ways that reqire support calls.
It also can be locked down to the carrier's needs (doing so may limit what Google software may be shipped with the device).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198131</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244053380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like you and your coworker are idiots if you can't get XP installed.  Seriously, you guys need some real experience...</p><p>Ubuntu fanboys...gotta love em</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like you and your coworker are idiots if you ca n't get XP installed .
Seriously , you guys need some real experience...Ubuntu fanboys...got ta love em</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like you and your coworker are idiots if you can't get XP installed.
Seriously, you guys need some real experience...Ubuntu fanboys...gotta love em</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28199487</id>
	<title>'Microsoft to leave smartbooks to Google'</title>
	<author>snydeq</author>
	<datestamp>1244059560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lost perhaps in the fervor over "eating into Windows' share of PC operating systems" is the fact that Microsoft doesn't seem to -- or doesn't want to appear to seem to -- care. <br> <br>
Although it may be a case of CYA, or a byproduct of some Wintel partnership fine print, Microsoft has said it has no plans to port a PC version of Windows over to the ARM core, in a sense <a href="http://infoworld.com/d/windows/microsoft-leave-smartbooks-google-927" title="infoworld.com">leaving the whole "smartbooks" market Linux and Android</a> [infoworld.com].<br> <br>
And though it may be true that an Intel deal, a desire not to eat into its own Windows netbook/notebook revenue, or the difficulty of porting a worthwhile version of Windows to ARM is at the heart of this deference to Android, you have to wonder whether there is some grain of truth to the fact that it is 'hard to create new categories' of technology, as Microsoft is claiming in relation to its stated disinterest in "smartbooks."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lost perhaps in the fervor over " eating into Windows ' share of PC operating systems " is the fact that Microsoft does n't seem to -- or does n't want to appear to seem to -- care .
Although it may be a case of CYA , or a byproduct of some Wintel partnership fine print , Microsoft has said it has no plans to port a PC version of Windows over to the ARM core , in a sense leaving the whole " smartbooks " market Linux and Android [ infoworld.com ] .
And though it may be true that an Intel deal , a desire not to eat into its own Windows netbook/notebook revenue , or the difficulty of porting a worthwhile version of Windows to ARM is at the heart of this deference to Android , you have to wonder whether there is some grain of truth to the fact that it is 'hard to create new categories ' of technology , as Microsoft is claiming in relation to its stated disinterest in " smartbooks .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lost perhaps in the fervor over "eating into Windows' share of PC operating systems" is the fact that Microsoft doesn't seem to -- or doesn't want to appear to seem to -- care.
Although it may be a case of CYA, or a byproduct of some Wintel partnership fine print, Microsoft has said it has no plans to port a PC version of Windows over to the ARM core, in a sense leaving the whole "smartbooks" market Linux and Android [infoworld.com].
And though it may be true that an Intel deal, a desire not to eat into its own Windows netbook/notebook revenue, or the difficulty of porting a worthwhile version of Windows to ARM is at the heart of this deference to Android, you have to wonder whether there is some grain of truth to the fact that it is 'hard to create new categories' of technology, as Microsoft is claiming in relation to its stated disinterest in "smartbooks.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28207821</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244121780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ubuntu 9.04 check<br>Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) check</p><p>graphics problem, no not here.<br>ah i see </p><p><div class="quote"><p> Ubuntu 9.04<b> had </b>a serious regression on Intel integrated graphics, as did Fedora 10. The sad part is this used to "just work" - Intel's drivers are fully open source.</p> </div><p>you meant there was a problem on initial release but there isn't now.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>- why did this happen now, and what prevents it from happening again?</p></div><p>from the link you provided</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The performance regressions in the Intel video driver result from major code revisions in Xorg and the driver itself, which will ultimately provide a leaner and faster graphical framework for Linux.  Those changes are useful and valuable.</p>  </div><p>Ok do you understand the difference between an LTS version and a regular six monthly release? Essentially LTS is looking to be relatively stable while a six monthly release tends to be closer to the bleeding edge. I found 8.10 wasn't a version I liked much on my netbook and reverted back to 8.04 however the release of 9.04 brought many improvements and fixed the issues I had with 8.10 I never noticed a graphics issue with 9.04, Others did</p><p>To be honest I've come to the conclusion, and i'm not alone in this, each Ubuntu release has an unofficial beta period for about the first month <b>after</b>release.</p><p>This situation can be expected to continue as long as manufacturers are looking at producing windows PC's. Every PC manufactured is tested and developed with the intention of it running one maybe two versions of windows. Acer for example don't expect my aspire one to run 2000 and the web cam has no 2000 driver.</p><p>With Linux there is a different situation beta testing is done largely by a relatively small group of users and developers who have picked hardware that is well supported. Is it surprising then that mostly there are no big issues? Some systems are targeted to be well supported but in general the beta tests are limited. Come release day Ubuntu's latest version gets exposed to a much larger range of users and PC's and there are issues, some fixable some not.</p><p>I don't see a lot of change occurring in this pattern. Newbies are told don't install the latest release and are pointed in the direction of the LTS releases some listen, some don't.<br>That flaky period, the first few weeks after release while daunting for some is a necessary part of the development cycle and no one is forced to take part.</p><p>The opposite of Linux is Apple, they limit the hardware to known quantities and can test the systems it is designed to run on. If Apple relinquish control they can have clones which are not fully compatible, or are better than Apples hardware.</p></div>
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<tokenext>ubuntu 9.04 checkIntel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME , 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller ( rev 03 ) checkgraphics problem , no not here.ah i see Ubuntu 9.04 had a serious regression on Intel integrated graphics , as did Fedora 10 .
The sad part is this used to " just work " - Intel 's drivers are fully open source .
you meant there was a problem on initial release but there is n't now.- why did this happen now , and what prevents it from happening again ? from the link you providedThe performance regressions in the Intel video driver result from major code revisions in Xorg and the driver itself , which will ultimately provide a leaner and faster graphical framework for Linux .
Those changes are useful and valuable .
Ok do you understand the difference between an LTS version and a regular six monthly release ?
Essentially LTS is looking to be relatively stable while a six monthly release tends to be closer to the bleeding edge .
I found 8.10 was n't a version I liked much on my netbook and reverted back to 8.04 however the release of 9.04 brought many improvements and fixed the issues I had with 8.10 I never noticed a graphics issue with 9.04 , Others didTo be honest I 've come to the conclusion , and i 'm not alone in this , each Ubuntu release has an unofficial beta period for about the first month afterrelease.This situation can be expected to continue as long as manufacturers are looking at producing windows PC 's .
Every PC manufactured is tested and developed with the intention of it running one maybe two versions of windows .
Acer for example do n't expect my aspire one to run 2000 and the web cam has no 2000 driver.With Linux there is a different situation beta testing is done largely by a relatively small group of users and developers who have picked hardware that is well supported .
Is it surprising then that mostly there are no big issues ?
Some systems are targeted to be well supported but in general the beta tests are limited .
Come release day Ubuntu 's latest version gets exposed to a much larger range of users and PC 's and there are issues , some fixable some not.I do n't see a lot of change occurring in this pattern .
Newbies are told do n't install the latest release and are pointed in the direction of the LTS releases some listen , some do n't.That flaky period , the first few weeks after release while daunting for some is a necessary part of the development cycle and no one is forced to take part.The opposite of Linux is Apple , they limit the hardware to known quantities and can test the systems it is designed to run on .
If Apple relinquish control they can have clones which are not fully compatible , or are better than Apples hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ubuntu 9.04 checkIntel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) checkgraphics problem, no not here.ah i see  Ubuntu 9.04 had a serious regression on Intel integrated graphics, as did Fedora 10.
The sad part is this used to "just work" - Intel's drivers are fully open source.
you meant there was a problem on initial release but there isn't now.- why did this happen now, and what prevents it from happening again?from the link you providedThe performance regressions in the Intel video driver result from major code revisions in Xorg and the driver itself, which will ultimately provide a leaner and faster graphical framework for Linux.
Those changes are useful and valuable.
Ok do you understand the difference between an LTS version and a regular six monthly release?
Essentially LTS is looking to be relatively stable while a six monthly release tends to be closer to the bleeding edge.
I found 8.10 wasn't a version I liked much on my netbook and reverted back to 8.04 however the release of 9.04 brought many improvements and fixed the issues I had with 8.10 I never noticed a graphics issue with 9.04, Others didTo be honest I've come to the conclusion, and i'm not alone in this, each Ubuntu release has an unofficial beta period for about the first month afterrelease.This situation can be expected to continue as long as manufacturers are looking at producing windows PC's.
Every PC manufactured is tested and developed with the intention of it running one maybe two versions of windows.
Acer for example don't expect my aspire one to run 2000 and the web cam has no 2000 driver.With Linux there is a different situation beta testing is done largely by a relatively small group of users and developers who have picked hardware that is well supported.
Is it surprising then that mostly there are no big issues?
Some systems are targeted to be well supported but in general the beta tests are limited.
Come release day Ubuntu's latest version gets exposed to a much larger range of users and PC's and there are issues, some fixable some not.I don't see a lot of change occurring in this pattern.
Newbies are told don't install the latest release and are pointed in the direction of the LTS releases some listen, some don't.That flaky period, the first few weeks after release while daunting for some is a necessary part of the development cycle and no one is forced to take part.The opposite of Linux is Apple, they limit the hardware to known quantities and can test the systems it is designed to run on.
If Apple relinquish control they can have clones which are not fully compatible, or are better than Apples hardware.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28200043</id>
	<title>Re:How exactly?</title>
	<author>cortesoft</author>
	<datestamp>1244062140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well considering that Android is built on the Linux kernel... <a href="http://www.android.com/about/" title="android.com">http://www.android.com/about/</a> [android.com]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..... I don't think Linux has more than Android</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well considering that Android is built on the Linux kernel... http : //www.android.com/about/ [ android.com ] ..... I do n't think Linux has more than Android</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well considering that Android is built on the Linux kernel... http://www.android.com/about/ [android.com] ..... I don't think Linux has more than Android</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28207275</id>
	<title>Or.....</title>
	<author>crhylove</author>
	<datestamp>1244116320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...We could make a Linux that worked and looked almost exactly like Windows:</p><p><a href="http://www.linuxmint.com/" title="linuxmint.com">http://www.linuxmint.com/</a> [linuxmint.com]</p><p>Or we could release an open source alternative to Windows:</p><p><a href="http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html" title="reactos.org">http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html</a> [reactos.org]</p><p>I think Windows or it's design will be with us long after Microsoft has failed as a corporation, which is likely sooner than most are currently guessing.  Their huge reserves of cash aren't going to matter when more is not coming in, which I think is inevitable.  I know not one person willing to pay for Vista, OR Vista 2.0, which MS is calling Windows 7.</p><p>The snake oil is obvious now.  Nobody's buying it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...We could make a Linux that worked and looked almost exactly like Windows : http : //www.linuxmint.com/ [ linuxmint.com ] Or we could release an open source alternative to Windows : http : //www.reactos.org/en/index.html [ reactos.org ] I think Windows or it 's design will be with us long after Microsoft has failed as a corporation , which is likely sooner than most are currently guessing .
Their huge reserves of cash are n't going to matter when more is not coming in , which I think is inevitable .
I know not one person willing to pay for Vista , OR Vista 2.0 , which MS is calling Windows 7.The snake oil is obvious now .
Nobody 's buying it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...We could make a Linux that worked and looked almost exactly like Windows:http://www.linuxmint.com/ [linuxmint.com]Or we could release an open source alternative to Windows:http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html [reactos.org]I think Windows or it's design will be with us long after Microsoft has failed as a corporation, which is likely sooner than most are currently guessing.
Their huge reserves of cash aren't going to matter when more is not coming in, which I think is inevitable.
I know not one person willing to pay for Vista, OR Vista 2.0, which MS is calling Windows 7.The snake oil is obvious now.
Nobody's buying it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197623</id>
	<title>Famous Last Words</title>
	<author>Drakkenmensch</author>
	<datestamp>1244051520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Asus is continuing to distance itself from Android, saying it "isn't a priority."</p> </div><p>They're probably also thinking that those long-haired young guys calling themselves the "Beatles" aren't worth the investment in signing up with their company, either.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Asus is continuing to distance itself from Android , saying it " is n't a priority .
" They 're probably also thinking that those long-haired young guys calling themselves the " Beatles " are n't worth the investment in signing up with their company , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Asus is continuing to distance itself from Android, saying it "isn't a priority.
" They're probably also thinking that those long-haired young guys calling themselves the "Beatles" aren't worth the investment in signing up with their company, either.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28200551</id>
	<title>Re:Er... what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244021100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Anyone can write Android apps.</p></div></blockquote><p>Anyone can write a Windows and/or an iPhone app as well.  For free, assuming you want to put some effort into cross compiling your iPhone app from Linux, then you don't even need a Mac or a Windows machine.</p><blockquote><div><p>The API is fully open.</p></div></blockquote><p>And in what way is the Win32 API or the iPhone API different?  I have complete reference texts for both, not sure how Android can be more open.  This is a place where having the source to the API is unhelpful outside of debugging.  Sure you can figure out that there is a bug in the API and you can even fix it, but you aren't going to force everyone with an Android device to use your special patches unless you intend on breaking other software that expects those bugs or works differently without them.</p><blockquote><div><p>Anyone can publish them to the Google ap store</p></div></blockquote><p>And anyone can publish to the app store and the windows market place.  Just because no one KNOWs about the Windows marketplace, or that Apple charges a base fee doesn't make them any less open.  I hope you're not silly enough to think that an App will never be rejected from the Android app store.</p><blockquote><div><p>Or you can just install them individually like any application for any OS.</p></div></blockquote><p>Okay, you got the iPhone on this one.  But do you think Windows is different?  The second thought to all that is, while you can rant and rave about how great it is to be able to install any app you want, 99.999999999999999999999999999999999\% of the people on the planet don't give a damn so the practical value of this is 0 to everyone that isn't a hard core geek, and 0 to many hard core geeks that just want their phone to fucking work nicely.</p><blockquote><div><p>The iPhone is closed in every single way. Android in nearly none.</p></div></blockquote><p>Fanboy much?  All of your 'points' except for one are factually incorrect about both Windows, Windows Mobile and the iPhone.  The one point you were correct about the iPhone is a technicality that no one really cares about except for an extrodinarily small portion of the worlds population that no one outside that population cares about.  The geeks ranting on principle about not having the ability to run ANY app they want on their phone will not make a noticeable difference in the books of any company on the planet regardless of how many iPhones, Windows boxes, or Android devices they buy.  The population of the world that matters just doesn't care, and why should they, most of them would rather have someone doing SOME sort of vetting of apps anyway, so they don't have to be so paranoid about getting something bad on their device.</p><p>No where did you point out anything that matters from a practical point of view about the 'openness' of any of the platforms over another.  Its cool that you're all gung hoe about OSS and making it so anyone can do anything they want, but from a practical standpoint your entire post just smacks of ignorance.  Come back to me when you've written an app that patches the kernel and system libraries on MY G1 just by installing the app and without breaking in any way all the other apps I have on mine.</p><p>Let me summarize your post for you:<br>OMG OMG CLOSED CLOSED CLOSED BAD BAD BAD I HAVE NO CLUE WHY IT WOULD MATTER TO ANYONE INCLUDING MYSELF!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Anyone can write Android apps.Anyone can write a Windows and/or an iPhone app as well .
For free , assuming you want to put some effort into cross compiling your iPhone app from Linux , then you do n't even need a Mac or a Windows machine.The API is fully open.And in what way is the Win32 API or the iPhone API different ?
I have complete reference texts for both , not sure how Android can be more open .
This is a place where having the source to the API is unhelpful outside of debugging .
Sure you can figure out that there is a bug in the API and you can even fix it , but you are n't going to force everyone with an Android device to use your special patches unless you intend on breaking other software that expects those bugs or works differently without them.Anyone can publish them to the Google ap storeAnd anyone can publish to the app store and the windows market place .
Just because no one KNOWs about the Windows marketplace , or that Apple charges a base fee does n't make them any less open .
I hope you 're not silly enough to think that an App will never be rejected from the Android app store.Or you can just install them individually like any application for any OS.Okay , you got the iPhone on this one .
But do you think Windows is different ?
The second thought to all that is , while you can rant and rave about how great it is to be able to install any app you want , 99.999999999999999999999999999999999 \ % of the people on the planet do n't give a damn so the practical value of this is 0 to everyone that is n't a hard core geek , and 0 to many hard core geeks that just want their phone to fucking work nicely.The iPhone is closed in every single way .
Android in nearly none.Fanboy much ?
All of your 'points ' except for one are factually incorrect about both Windows , Windows Mobile and the iPhone .
The one point you were correct about the iPhone is a technicality that no one really cares about except for an extrodinarily small portion of the worlds population that no one outside that population cares about .
The geeks ranting on principle about not having the ability to run ANY app they want on their phone will not make a noticeable difference in the books of any company on the planet regardless of how many iPhones , Windows boxes , or Android devices they buy .
The population of the world that matters just does n't care , and why should they , most of them would rather have someone doing SOME sort of vetting of apps anyway , so they do n't have to be so paranoid about getting something bad on their device.No where did you point out anything that matters from a practical point of view about the 'openness ' of any of the platforms over another .
Its cool that you 're all gung hoe about OSS and making it so anyone can do anything they want , but from a practical standpoint your entire post just smacks of ignorance .
Come back to me when you 've written an app that patches the kernel and system libraries on MY G1 just by installing the app and without breaking in any way all the other apps I have on mine.Let me summarize your post for you : OMG OMG CLOSED CLOSED CLOSED BAD BAD BAD I HAVE NO CLUE WHY IT WOULD MATTER TO ANYONE INCLUDING MYSELF !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone can write Android apps.Anyone can write a Windows and/or an iPhone app as well.
For free, assuming you want to put some effort into cross compiling your iPhone app from Linux, then you don't even need a Mac or a Windows machine.The API is fully open.And in what way is the Win32 API or the iPhone API different?
I have complete reference texts for both, not sure how Android can be more open.
This is a place where having the source to the API is unhelpful outside of debugging.
Sure you can figure out that there is a bug in the API and you can even fix it, but you aren't going to force everyone with an Android device to use your special patches unless you intend on breaking other software that expects those bugs or works differently without them.Anyone can publish them to the Google ap storeAnd anyone can publish to the app store and the windows market place.
Just because no one KNOWs about the Windows marketplace, or that Apple charges a base fee doesn't make them any less open.
I hope you're not silly enough to think that an App will never be rejected from the Android app store.Or you can just install them individually like any application for any OS.Okay, you got the iPhone on this one.
But do you think Windows is different?
The second thought to all that is, while you can rant and rave about how great it is to be able to install any app you want, 99.999999999999999999999999999999999\% of the people on the planet don't give a damn so the practical value of this is 0 to everyone that isn't a hard core geek, and 0 to many hard core geeks that just want their phone to fucking work nicely.The iPhone is closed in every single way.
Android in nearly none.Fanboy much?
All of your 'points' except for one are factually incorrect about both Windows, Windows Mobile and the iPhone.
The one point you were correct about the iPhone is a technicality that no one really cares about except for an extrodinarily small portion of the worlds population that no one outside that population cares about.
The geeks ranting on principle about not having the ability to run ANY app they want on their phone will not make a noticeable difference in the books of any company on the planet regardless of how many iPhones, Windows boxes, or Android devices they buy.
The population of the world that matters just doesn't care, and why should they, most of them would rather have someone doing SOME sort of vetting of apps anyway, so they don't have to be so paranoid about getting something bad on their device.No where did you point out anything that matters from a practical point of view about the 'openness' of any of the platforms over another.
Its cool that you're all gung hoe about OSS and making it so anyone can do anything they want, but from a practical standpoint your entire post just smacks of ignorance.
Come back to me when you've written an app that patches the kernel and system libraries on MY G1 just by installing the app and without breaking in any way all the other apps I have on mine.Let me summarize your post for you:OMG OMG CLOSED CLOSED CLOSED BAD BAD BAD I HAVE NO CLUE WHY IT WOULD MATTER TO ANYONE INCLUDING MYSELF!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28201979</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>david\_thornley</author>
	<datestamp>1244025960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
So, how did they do at installing Windows on their recent laptops?
</p><p>
The parallel is not with somebody buying a laptop with Windows and installing Ubuntu, but rather somebody installing both or buying both pre-installed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , how did they do at installing Windows on their recent laptops ?
The parallel is not with somebody buying a laptop with Windows and installing Ubuntu , but rather somebody installing both or buying both pre-installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
So, how did they do at installing Windows on their recent laptops?
The parallel is not with somebody buying a laptop with Windows and installing Ubuntu, but rather somebody installing both or buying both pre-installed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197585</id>
	<title>How exactly?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244051400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>What does android has that linux doesn't?<br>
Linux has more software than android and if we're talking about familiarity the linux desktop is closer to windows than android.<br>
The android netbooks will be cheaper than the windows ones but, again, if that hasn't helped linux I don't see how it's going to help android.<br>
I'd like to see the microsoft dominance in the os market broken as much as anyone but I don't have much hope this is going to do it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What does android has that linux does n't ?
Linux has more software than android and if we 're talking about familiarity the linux desktop is closer to windows than android .
The android netbooks will be cheaper than the windows ones but , again , if that has n't helped linux I do n't see how it 's going to help android .
I 'd like to see the microsoft dominance in the os market broken as much as anyone but I do n't have much hope this is going to do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does android has that linux doesn't?
Linux has more software than android and if we're talking about familiarity the linux desktop is closer to windows than android.
The android netbooks will be cheaper than the windows ones but, again, if that hasn't helped linux I don't see how it's going to help android.
I'd like to see the microsoft dominance in the os market broken as much as anyone but I don't have much hope this is going to do it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198521</id>
	<title>Re:Er... what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244054880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In what way is Android a closed system?</p></div><p>can I touch kernel from userspace?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In what way is Android a closed system ? can I touch kernel from userspace ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In what way is Android a closed system?can I touch kernel from userspace?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198983</id>
	<title>The DSi could almost do it</title>
	<author>querist</author>
	<datestamp>1244057100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought my son a DSi when I was in Hong Kong last March. It's a pretty impressive piece of hardware for something that inexpensive, and it makes a wonderful educational platform because of the touch screen. I can see the DSi mark 2 or so supporting GSM and being able to work as a video phone. It already has two cameras - one facing the user and one facing away - that would make it ideal for video phone calls so the person on the other end can see you and then you can say "Hey... look at this..." and just toggle to the other camera while keeping all of the controls where you can access them.</p><p>About 2/3 of the "games" we have for the DS family of devices are educational, and they work. The kids use them and the material is "taking" - they're learning it. I know, there are other ways to study and learn, but when you have a very kinesthetic learner (hands-on, moving, etc.) on your hands doing something where you need to interact physically with something during the learning process helps.</p><p>The DS could be a pretty darn good PDA if they'd make the calendar a little less lame, add handwriting recognition and an address book, an a few other things. The dual-screen interface has its advantages, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought my son a DSi when I was in Hong Kong last March .
It 's a pretty impressive piece of hardware for something that inexpensive , and it makes a wonderful educational platform because of the touch screen .
I can see the DSi mark 2 or so supporting GSM and being able to work as a video phone .
It already has two cameras - one facing the user and one facing away - that would make it ideal for video phone calls so the person on the other end can see you and then you can say " Hey... look at this... " and just toggle to the other camera while keeping all of the controls where you can access them.About 2/3 of the " games " we have for the DS family of devices are educational , and they work .
The kids use them and the material is " taking " - they 're learning it .
I know , there are other ways to study and learn , but when you have a very kinesthetic learner ( hands-on , moving , etc .
) on your hands doing something where you need to interact physically with something during the learning process helps.The DS could be a pretty darn good PDA if they 'd make the calendar a little less lame , add handwriting recognition and an address book , an a few other things .
The dual-screen interface has its advantages , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought my son a DSi when I was in Hong Kong last March.
It's a pretty impressive piece of hardware for something that inexpensive, and it makes a wonderful educational platform because of the touch screen.
I can see the DSi mark 2 or so supporting GSM and being able to work as a video phone.
It already has two cameras - one facing the user and one facing away - that would make it ideal for video phone calls so the person on the other end can see you and then you can say "Hey... look at this..." and just toggle to the other camera while keeping all of the controls where you can access them.About 2/3 of the "games" we have for the DS family of devices are educational, and they work.
The kids use them and the material is "taking" - they're learning it.
I know, there are other ways to study and learn, but when you have a very kinesthetic learner (hands-on, moving, etc.
) on your hands doing something where you need to interact physically with something during the learning process helps.The DS could be a pretty darn good PDA if they'd make the calendar a little less lame, add handwriting recognition and an address book, an a few other things.
The dual-screen interface has its advantages, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198301</id>
	<title>Pointless Link</title>
	<author>CompMD</author>
	<datestamp>1244054040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Asus is continuing to distance itself from Android, saying it "isn't a priority.""</p><p>If you follow the link from that quote in the summary, the word "Asus" isn't anywhere on the page.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Asus is continuing to distance itself from Android , saying it " is n't a priority .
" " If you follow the link from that quote in the summary , the word " Asus " is n't anywhere on the page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Asus is continuing to distance itself from Android, saying it "isn't a priority.
""If you follow the link from that quote in the summary, the word "Asus" isn't anywhere on the page.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198661</id>
	<title>This won't work on netbooks, but...</title>
	<author>alispguru</author>
	<datestamp>1244055480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it looks like a portable computer (laptop/netbook), people will expect to see Windows on it, and the vast majority of them will run away if it doesn't have it.</p><p>Alternative OSs have a chance on things that have the same compute power as a portable computer, but don't look like them.</p><p>Android/Linux/OS X on smartphones or similar things will sell.</p><p>I predict that whatever Apple does with all those 10" screens it it rumored to be buying, it won't look like a netbook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it looks like a portable computer ( laptop/netbook ) , people will expect to see Windows on it , and the vast majority of them will run away if it does n't have it.Alternative OSs have a chance on things that have the same compute power as a portable computer , but do n't look like them.Android/Linux/OS X on smartphones or similar things will sell.I predict that whatever Apple does with all those 10 " screens it it rumored to be buying , it wo n't look like a netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it looks like a portable computer (laptop/netbook), people will expect to see Windows on it, and the vast majority of them will run away if it doesn't have it.Alternative OSs have a chance on things that have the same compute power as a portable computer, but don't look like them.Android/Linux/OS X on smartphones or similar things will sell.I predict that whatever Apple does with all those 10" screens it it rumored to be buying, it won't look like a netbook.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198173</id>
	<title>Challenge Windows, or changing the Game?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244053560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you start looking at the browser based applications that Google is producing/pushing, does the host OS really matter?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you start looking at the browser based applications that Google is producing/pushing , does the host OS really matter ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you start looking at the browser based applications that Google is producing/pushing, does the host OS really matter?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197371</id>
	<title>Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244050500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here we have a very interesting inversion of the typical Open vs Closed debate. Although Windows itself may be a closed source OS, it is actually a very open system. And although Android is built on layers of open source components, it is fundamentally a closed system (like iPhone).</p><p>The target audience for Android PCs would be one which needs a dedicated internet browsing device. Anything more would mean that they would be looking at Windows.</p><p>This strategy has been tried several times before. And it has failed every time. Linux has already been edged out of the netbook market by Windows, so it's going to be interesting to see how an even more crippled system could possibly compete.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here we have a very interesting inversion of the typical Open vs Closed debate .
Although Windows itself may be a closed source OS , it is actually a very open system .
And although Android is built on layers of open source components , it is fundamentally a closed system ( like iPhone ) .The target audience for Android PCs would be one which needs a dedicated internet browsing device .
Anything more would mean that they would be looking at Windows.This strategy has been tried several times before .
And it has failed every time .
Linux has already been edged out of the netbook market by Windows , so it 's going to be interesting to see how an even more crippled system could possibly compete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here we have a very interesting inversion of the typical Open vs Closed debate.
Although Windows itself may be a closed source OS, it is actually a very open system.
And although Android is built on layers of open source components, it is fundamentally a closed system (like iPhone).The target audience for Android PCs would be one which needs a dedicated internet browsing device.
Anything more would mean that they would be looking at Windows.This strategy has been tried several times before.
And it has failed every time.
Linux has already been edged out of the netbook market by Windows, so it's going to be interesting to see how an even more crippled system could possibly compete.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198199</id>
	<title>Re:Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>93,000</author>
	<datestamp>1244053620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the price point was low enough I'd buy one just to keep my wife &amp; kids off my main machine.  All they do is club penguin and facebook, so their needs are pretty small.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the price point was low enough I 'd buy one just to keep my wife &amp; kids off my main machine .
All they do is club penguin and facebook , so their needs are pretty small .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the price point was low enough I'd buy one just to keep my wife &amp; kids off my main machine.
All they do is club penguin and facebook, so their needs are pretty small.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198399</id>
	<title>Re:Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1244054460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Although Windows itself may be a closed source OS, it is actually a very open system. And although Android is built on layers of open source components, it is fundamentally a closed system (like iPhone).</p></div><p>This doesn't make much sense. If we're comparing OSes themselves, then neither one restricts application development or distribution. If we're comparing devices, then, obviously, it's quite possible to lock down Windows just as much as any other OS if the device manufacturer decides to do that - it's just that it's something much more common in phone/handheld market. I doubt that Android-based netbooks, for example, would be similarly locked down - it would fall short of the expectations consumers have of those devices, based on existing models.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Although Windows itself may be a closed source OS , it is actually a very open system .
And although Android is built on layers of open source components , it is fundamentally a closed system ( like iPhone ) .This does n't make much sense .
If we 're comparing OSes themselves , then neither one restricts application development or distribution .
If we 're comparing devices , then , obviously , it 's quite possible to lock down Windows just as much as any other OS if the device manufacturer decides to do that - it 's just that it 's something much more common in phone/handheld market .
I doubt that Android-based netbooks , for example , would be similarly locked down - it would fall short of the expectations consumers have of those devices , based on existing models .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although Windows itself may be a closed source OS, it is actually a very open system.
And although Android is built on layers of open source components, it is fundamentally a closed system (like iPhone).This doesn't make much sense.
If we're comparing OSes themselves, then neither one restricts application development or distribution.
If we're comparing devices, then, obviously, it's quite possible to lock down Windows just as much as any other OS if the device manufacturer decides to do that - it's just that it's something much more common in phone/handheld market.
I doubt that Android-based netbooks, for example, would be similarly locked down - it would fall short of the expectations consumers have of those devices, based on existing models.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198759</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244056020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux has far better hardware support than Vista.</p><p>And if you really want to get technical, it's got a fsck of a lot better hardware support than any version of windows - AMR, MIPS, Sparc, Power, it runs on all of these.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux has far better hardware support than Vista.And if you really want to get technical , it 's got a fsck of a lot better hardware support than any version of windows - AMR , MIPS , Sparc , Power , it runs on all of these .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux has far better hardware support than Vista.And if you really want to get technical, it's got a fsck of a lot better hardware support than any version of windows - AMR, MIPS, Sparc, Power, it runs on all of these.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197537</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>ToasterMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1244051160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm just leaving a note here so I can Google (or Bing) this next year and get an even bigger laugh out of it than just now.</p><p>rofl\_yolotd</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm just leaving a note here so I can Google ( or Bing ) this next year and get an even bigger laugh out of it than just now.rofl \ _yolotd</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm just leaving a note here so I can Google (or Bing) this next year and get an even bigger laugh out of it than just now.rofl\_yolotd</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197397</id>
	<title>Probably not</title>
	<author>netscan</author>
	<datestamp>1244050620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Windows != Windows Mobile</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows ! = Windows Mobile</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows != Windows Mobile</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197677</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244051640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ok, legitimate anecdotal evidence...but my coworker and I just bought the same new HP laptop (G70t).  He tried for weeks to install XP alongside Vista, and couldn't.  I had no problem w/ a dual boot Ubuntu 9.04 install (are they trying to install 9.04 or something older?).  Furthermore, we've both had bluescreens from Vista updates.  I haven't done anything remotely unusual on my Vista partition, and it blue screened on me from regular MS updates, on a factory installed, plain-vanilla configuration.  My coworker's has blue screened multiple times.  Ubuntu has been rock-solid.  So it can happen to MS, too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , legitimate anecdotal evidence...but my coworker and I just bought the same new HP laptop ( G70t ) .
He tried for weeks to install XP alongside Vista , and could n't .
I had no problem w/ a dual boot Ubuntu 9.04 install ( are they trying to install 9.04 or something older ? ) .
Furthermore , we 've both had bluescreens from Vista updates .
I have n't done anything remotely unusual on my Vista partition , and it blue screened on me from regular MS updates , on a factory installed , plain-vanilla configuration .
My coworker 's has blue screened multiple times .
Ubuntu has been rock-solid .
So it can happen to MS , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, legitimate anecdotal evidence...but my coworker and I just bought the same new HP laptop (G70t).
He tried for weeks to install XP alongside Vista, and couldn't.
I had no problem w/ a dual boot Ubuntu 9.04 install (are they trying to install 9.04 or something older?).
Furthermore, we've both had bluescreens from Vista updates.
I haven't done anything remotely unusual on my Vista partition, and it blue screened on me from regular MS updates, on a factory installed, plain-vanilla configuration.
My coworker's has blue screened multiple times.
Ubuntu has been rock-solid.
So it can happen to MS, too.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198889</id>
	<title>Does it....</title>
	<author>castironpigeon</author>
	<datestamp>1244056680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does Android have games? Not Flash games and Solitaire, but WoW and the latest closed source FPS released for Windows. Does Android have photography workflow software? CAD? Anything that's not an internet product, office product, or a widget? <br> <br>Hrm... I see. Well, if I want an OS that lets me chat, email, and surf the net then I'll install Ubuntu.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does Android have games ?
Not Flash games and Solitaire , but WoW and the latest closed source FPS released for Windows .
Does Android have photography workflow software ?
CAD ? Anything that 's not an internet product , office product , or a widget ?
Hrm... I see .
Well , if I want an OS that lets me chat , email , and surf the net then I 'll install Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does Android have games?
Not Flash games and Solitaire, but WoW and the latest closed source FPS released for Windows.
Does Android have photography workflow software?
CAD? Anything that's not an internet product, office product, or a widget?
Hrm... I see.
Well, if I want an OS that lets me chat, email, and surf the net then I'll install Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28201047</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1244022840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Unfortunately, my own stats (and I have installed Ubuntu on lots of different hardware configurations) indicate that in only about 30\% cases it just works with all the hardware that an average user will immediately notice to fail. Wireless, sound cards, video cards (missing 3d support and more), ACPI quirks...</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
In the physics lab at the community college where I teach, I have 8 random boxes that I picked up cheap at garage sales, swap meets, etc. They're all running ubuntu. I never had any problem installing ubuntu on any of them, never had to do any more than stick in the CD and fill in the information it requests in the gui. Out of the eight machines, the only problem I have was that on one of them, sound doesn't work. (It works on the others.)
</p><p>
It's true that some people have trouble installing linux on some hardware, and getting the full functionality working right. However, your statement that 70\% of installs are broken in just way out of line with my experience.
</p><p>
In any case, I would agree that linux is not going to expand its share of the desktop unless people start buying it preinstalled. Installing an OS is definitely way beyond what most users want to attempt. However we don't have to wait for google to do that. For instance, zareason.com and system76.com will be happy to sell you a linux box.
</p><p>
The real issues, IMO are (1) total lack of marketing of linux, (2) excessive returns to retailers that sell linux machines, (3) flaky and inconsistent availability of very low-end linux machines via retail channels, and (4) price competition, and Microsoft's willingness to price Windows low enough on low-end machines so that they sell for the same price as ones with linux on them.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , my own stats ( and I have installed Ubuntu on lots of different hardware configurations ) indicate that in only about 30 \ % cases it just works with all the hardware that an average user will immediately notice to fail .
Wireless , sound cards , video cards ( missing 3d support and more ) , ACPI quirks.. . In the physics lab at the community college where I teach , I have 8 random boxes that I picked up cheap at garage sales , swap meets , etc .
They 're all running ubuntu .
I never had any problem installing ubuntu on any of them , never had to do any more than stick in the CD and fill in the information it requests in the gui .
Out of the eight machines , the only problem I have was that on one of them , sound does n't work .
( It works on the others .
) It 's true that some people have trouble installing linux on some hardware , and getting the full functionality working right .
However , your statement that 70 \ % of installs are broken in just way out of line with my experience .
In any case , I would agree that linux is not going to expand its share of the desktop unless people start buying it preinstalled .
Installing an OS is definitely way beyond what most users want to attempt .
However we do n't have to wait for google to do that .
For instance , zareason.com and system76.com will be happy to sell you a linux box .
The real issues , IMO are ( 1 ) total lack of marketing of linux , ( 2 ) excessive returns to retailers that sell linux machines , ( 3 ) flaky and inconsistent availability of very low-end linux machines via retail channels , and ( 4 ) price competition , and Microsoft 's willingness to price Windows low enough on low-end machines so that they sell for the same price as ones with linux on them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, my own stats (and I have installed Ubuntu on lots of different hardware configurations) indicate that in only about 30\% cases it just works with all the hardware that an average user will immediately notice to fail.
Wireless, sound cards, video cards (missing 3d support and more), ACPI quirks...

In the physics lab at the community college where I teach, I have 8 random boxes that I picked up cheap at garage sales, swap meets, etc.
They're all running ubuntu.
I never had any problem installing ubuntu on any of them, never had to do any more than stick in the CD and fill in the information it requests in the gui.
Out of the eight machines, the only problem I have was that on one of them, sound doesn't work.
(It works on the others.
)

It's true that some people have trouble installing linux on some hardware, and getting the full functionality working right.
However, your statement that 70\% of installs are broken in just way out of line with my experience.
In any case, I would agree that linux is not going to expand its share of the desktop unless people start buying it preinstalled.
Installing an OS is definitely way beyond what most users want to attempt.
However we don't have to wait for google to do that.
For instance, zareason.com and system76.com will be happy to sell you a linux box.
The real issues, IMO are (1) total lack of marketing of linux, (2) excessive returns to retailers that sell linux machines, (3) flaky and inconsistent availability of very low-end linux machines via retail channels, and (4) price competition, and Microsoft's willingness to price Windows low enough on low-end machines so that they sell for the same price as ones with linux on them.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198395</id>
	<title>Explain to me why Android is good for Netbooks...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244054460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(This is not intended to be a knock on Linux).  Linux netbooks, after enjoying a brief marketshare spike when there was no alternative, are not popular with the majority of end-users.  So what makes Google think that Android will do any better than Linux did?  There's way more software for Linux than Android--and way more for Windows than Linux...</p><p>Even if you add a way to connect to the Internet, why would Android be any better for Netbooks than Linux was?  At least with Linux, and especially with Windows, I'm not stuck with a useless dumb terminal when I'm not able to connect to the Internet.</p><p>Sorry, but if Linux isn't doing too hot on Netbooks, I really don't see how Android wouldn't be worse...  Android is a cell phone OS and that's it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( This is not intended to be a knock on Linux ) .
Linux netbooks , after enjoying a brief marketshare spike when there was no alternative , are not popular with the majority of end-users .
So what makes Google think that Android will do any better than Linux did ?
There 's way more software for Linux than Android--and way more for Windows than Linux...Even if you add a way to connect to the Internet , why would Android be any better for Netbooks than Linux was ?
At least with Linux , and especially with Windows , I 'm not stuck with a useless dumb terminal when I 'm not able to connect to the Internet.Sorry , but if Linux is n't doing too hot on Netbooks , I really do n't see how Android would n't be worse... Android is a cell phone OS and that 's it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(This is not intended to be a knock on Linux).
Linux netbooks, after enjoying a brief marketshare spike when there was no alternative, are not popular with the majority of end-users.
So what makes Google think that Android will do any better than Linux did?
There's way more software for Linux than Android--and way more for Windows than Linux...Even if you add a way to connect to the Internet, why would Android be any better for Netbooks than Linux was?
At least with Linux, and especially with Windows, I'm not stuck with a useless dumb terminal when I'm not able to connect to the Internet.Sorry, but if Linux isn't doing too hot on Netbooks, I really don't see how Android wouldn't be worse...  Android is a cell phone OS and that's it...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198505</id>
	<title>Next Wave</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244054820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that this is all part of the next wave of computing devices.  The iPhone showed that portable computing device could be easy to use and fulfill a number of functions including cell phone, internet browser, applications platform and media player.  It's not so much a smart phone as it is a computer.  Google followed with Android.  Nokia and RIM are now inspired to try to make their smartphone operating systems work the same way.  They won't.  They are going to have to adopt Android or develop new operating systems (Linux-based most likely) if they want to compete for the long term.
</p><p>
The next step (this new wave) is to use the operating system developed for iPhone type devices on larger form factors better suited for more general purpose computing.  The rumored Apple tablet and what is being announced here are just that.  The approach of trying to fit a full desktop operating system on crapped-down hardware that conforms to a common PC form factor yielded netbooks.  If you are used to a full blown laptop netbooks are very unsatisfying.  Yet the need for a less expensive, useful and durable device with excellent battery life remains. I think that is what these new devices are trying to address and it makes sense to me that they are more likely to be successful.
</p><p>
Microsoft, watch out.  The growth in the computing market will be devices like these, not general purpose computers - desktops and laptops.  These devices will be more reliant on browser based RIA apps (e.g. Javascript &amp; HTML5) and web services than on native applications.  General purpose PCs will still be around in large but stagnant numbers. If I'm making these more specialized devices, why would I pay for an operating system when I can get one for free? If the browser I put on my device meets all the requisite standards, you can no longer offer me the advantage of lot's of applications. </p><p>
But Microsoft is not stupid.  The new Zune HD shows me that at least they are thinking about this market and how to compete in it.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that this is all part of the next wave of computing devices .
The iPhone showed that portable computing device could be easy to use and fulfill a number of functions including cell phone , internet browser , applications platform and media player .
It 's not so much a smart phone as it is a computer .
Google followed with Android .
Nokia and RIM are now inspired to try to make their smartphone operating systems work the same way .
They wo n't .
They are going to have to adopt Android or develop new operating systems ( Linux-based most likely ) if they want to compete for the long term .
The next step ( this new wave ) is to use the operating system developed for iPhone type devices on larger form factors better suited for more general purpose computing .
The rumored Apple tablet and what is being announced here are just that .
The approach of trying to fit a full desktop operating system on crapped-down hardware that conforms to a common PC form factor yielded netbooks .
If you are used to a full blown laptop netbooks are very unsatisfying .
Yet the need for a less expensive , useful and durable device with excellent battery life remains .
I think that is what these new devices are trying to address and it makes sense to me that they are more likely to be successful .
Microsoft , watch out .
The growth in the computing market will be devices like these , not general purpose computers - desktops and laptops .
These devices will be more reliant on browser based RIA apps ( e.g .
Javascript &amp; HTML5 ) and web services than on native applications .
General purpose PCs will still be around in large but stagnant numbers .
If I 'm making these more specialized devices , why would I pay for an operating system when I can get one for free ?
If the browser I put on my device meets all the requisite standards , you can no longer offer me the advantage of lot 's of applications .
But Microsoft is not stupid .
The new Zune HD shows me that at least they are thinking about this market and how to compete in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that this is all part of the next wave of computing devices.
The iPhone showed that portable computing device could be easy to use and fulfill a number of functions including cell phone, internet browser, applications platform and media player.
It's not so much a smart phone as it is a computer.
Google followed with Android.
Nokia and RIM are now inspired to try to make their smartphone operating systems work the same way.
They won't.
They are going to have to adopt Android or develop new operating systems (Linux-based most likely) if they want to compete for the long term.
The next step (this new wave) is to use the operating system developed for iPhone type devices on larger form factors better suited for more general purpose computing.
The rumored Apple tablet and what is being announced here are just that.
The approach of trying to fit a full desktop operating system on crapped-down hardware that conforms to a common PC form factor yielded netbooks.
If you are used to a full blown laptop netbooks are very unsatisfying.
Yet the need for a less expensive, useful and durable device with excellent battery life remains.
I think that is what these new devices are trying to address and it makes sense to me that they are more likely to be successful.
Microsoft, watch out.
The growth in the computing market will be devices like these, not general purpose computers - desktops and laptops.
These devices will be more reliant on browser based RIA apps (e.g.
Javascript &amp; HTML5) and web services than on native applications.
General purpose PCs will still be around in large but stagnant numbers.
If I'm making these more specialized devices, why would I pay for an operating system when I can get one for free?
If the browser I put on my device meets all the requisite standards, you can no longer offer me the advantage of lot's of applications.
But Microsoft is not stupid.
The new Zune HD shows me that at least they are thinking about this market and how to compete in it.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198795</id>
	<title>Re:How exactly?</title>
	<author>spuke4000</author>
	<datestamp>1244056200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What does android has that linux doesn't?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Cheezburger?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What does android has that linux does n't ?
Cheezburger ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does android has that linux doesn't?
Cheezburger?
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198645</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244055420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Many times beaten horse...
<br>
<br>
Don't freeze hardware.
<br>
Just freeze API/ABI and commercial developers will come in droves (assuming the <b>Linux community really wants commercial developers' support</b>).
<br>
<br>

I currently do an embedded Linux project for Atom-based board.
<br>
It is a nightmare to select a kernel that supports all features of my board.
<br>
The drivers appear and disappear between kernel releases.
<br>
Their names and placements change between releases.
<br>
Because of API changes, they are often uncompilable between releases without major hacking.
<br>
<br>
With frozen API/ABI I would grub a driver from a different release and be done.
<br>
<br>
I am contemplating an idea to port our project to a different OS from Linux staring from the next release.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many times beaten horse.. . Do n't freeze hardware .
Just freeze API/ABI and commercial developers will come in droves ( assuming the Linux community really wants commercial developers ' support ) .
I currently do an embedded Linux project for Atom-based board .
It is a nightmare to select a kernel that supports all features of my board .
The drivers appear and disappear between kernel releases .
Their names and placements change between releases .
Because of API changes , they are often uncompilable between releases without major hacking .
With frozen API/ABI I would grub a driver from a different release and be done .
I am contemplating an idea to port our project to a different OS from Linux staring from the next release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many times beaten horse...


Don't freeze hardware.
Just freeze API/ABI and commercial developers will come in droves (assuming the Linux community really wants commercial developers' support).
I currently do an embedded Linux project for Atom-based board.
It is a nightmare to select a kernel that supports all features of my board.
The drivers appear and disappear between kernel releases.
Their names and placements change between releases.
Because of API changes, they are often uncompilable between releases without major hacking.
With frozen API/ABI I would grub a driver from a different release and be done.
I am contemplating an idea to port our project to a different OS from Linux staring from the next release.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197881</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197617</id>
	<title>Windows' biggest challenge is its size</title>
	<author>HonkyLips</author>
	<datestamp>1244051460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The biggest challenge facing Windows is its size and hardware requirements - as phones get smarter and netbooks become more popular then people will become accustomed to having a 'proper' computer on them at all time- for many people with an iPhone this is already happening.  Even Miyamoto (the Nintendo guy) was talking today about broadening the range of applications available for the DS so that gamers begin to take them everywhere and use them for everything.  It doesn't really matter whether it's a Nintendo DS, an Apple iPhone, a Palm Pre, a Blackberry or a netbook running Android- the key is portability.  Portability is The Next Big Thing and in this market Windows does not seem to have a very attractive offering - Windows Mobile only makes headlines when it's market share is overtaken by something else.  <br> So personally I don't see Android as a specific challenge to Windows, I see Windows being challenged by a fundamental shift in computing - from the desktop to personal - and Windows biggest challenge in this area is probably itself and it's own bloated history.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest challenge facing Windows is its size and hardware requirements - as phones get smarter and netbooks become more popular then people will become accustomed to having a 'proper ' computer on them at all time- for many people with an iPhone this is already happening .
Even Miyamoto ( the Nintendo guy ) was talking today about broadening the range of applications available for the DS so that gamers begin to take them everywhere and use them for everything .
It does n't really matter whether it 's a Nintendo DS , an Apple iPhone , a Palm Pre , a Blackberry or a netbook running Android- the key is portability .
Portability is The Next Big Thing and in this market Windows does not seem to have a very attractive offering - Windows Mobile only makes headlines when it 's market share is overtaken by something else .
So personally I do n't see Android as a specific challenge to Windows , I see Windows being challenged by a fundamental shift in computing - from the desktop to personal - and Windows biggest challenge in this area is probably itself and it 's own bloated history .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest challenge facing Windows is its size and hardware requirements - as phones get smarter and netbooks become more popular then people will become accustomed to having a 'proper' computer on them at all time- for many people with an iPhone this is already happening.
Even Miyamoto (the Nintendo guy) was talking today about broadening the range of applications available for the DS so that gamers begin to take them everywhere and use them for everything.
It doesn't really matter whether it's a Nintendo DS, an Apple iPhone, a Palm Pre, a Blackberry or a netbook running Android- the key is portability.
Portability is The Next Big Thing and in this market Windows does not seem to have a very attractive offering - Windows Mobile only makes headlines when it's market share is overtaken by something else.
So personally I don't see Android as a specific challenge to Windows, I see Windows being challenged by a fundamental shift in computing - from the desktop to personal - and Windows biggest challenge in this area is probably itself and it's own bloated history.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197863</id>
	<title>Speaking of distance</title>
	<author>likuidkewl</author>
	<datestamp>1244052360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hopefully users will distance themselves from Asus too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully users will distance themselves from Asus too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully users will distance themselves from Asus too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28202391</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>nxtw</author>
	<datestamp>1244027460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Red Hat Enterprise Linux and SuSE Linux Enterprise tend to have a decent amount of (server) support from hardware vendors.  Both distributions have long lifecycles - they provide support (including updates) for many years after the release.  They strive to maintain binary compatibility within a release - they do not change the major versions of that version's components.  Modules compiled for a RHEL or SLES kernel should generally work with the newer patches of that kernel version.</p><p>As a result, each major version uses one version of the Linux kernel and the vendors patch it throughout the lifecycle.  The latest version of RHEL (5) is using a highly patched 2.6.18 - and many of the patches are driver backports.  (There are over 2000 patches in total.)</p><p>After experiencing a few hardware support regressions (Intel graphics, audio working better with 2.6.18 than 2.6.27, audio working better with the open source and third-party OSS), and after having to upgrade the operating system on perfectly working systems because the old version was not getting necessary bug fixes or security updates, I've generally given up on anything that has a short support lifecycle - no more Debian, no more regular Ubuntu releases, no more Fedora.  I only run these distributions in virtual environments, and only when they for things that aren't important.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Red Hat Enterprise Linux and SuSE Linux Enterprise tend to have a decent amount of ( server ) support from hardware vendors .
Both distributions have long lifecycles - they provide support ( including updates ) for many years after the release .
They strive to maintain binary compatibility within a release - they do not change the major versions of that version 's components .
Modules compiled for a RHEL or SLES kernel should generally work with the newer patches of that kernel version.As a result , each major version uses one version of the Linux kernel and the vendors patch it throughout the lifecycle .
The latest version of RHEL ( 5 ) is using a highly patched 2.6.18 - and many of the patches are driver backports .
( There are over 2000 patches in total .
) After experiencing a few hardware support regressions ( Intel graphics , audio working better with 2.6.18 than 2.6.27 , audio working better with the open source and third-party OSS ) , and after having to upgrade the operating system on perfectly working systems because the old version was not getting necessary bug fixes or security updates , I 've generally given up on anything that has a short support lifecycle - no more Debian , no more regular Ubuntu releases , no more Fedora .
I only run these distributions in virtual environments , and only when they for things that are n't important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Red Hat Enterprise Linux and SuSE Linux Enterprise tend to have a decent amount of (server) support from hardware vendors.
Both distributions have long lifecycles - they provide support (including updates) for many years after the release.
They strive to maintain binary compatibility within a release - they do not change the major versions of that version's components.
Modules compiled for a RHEL or SLES kernel should generally work with the newer patches of that kernel version.As a result, each major version uses one version of the Linux kernel and the vendors patch it throughout the lifecycle.
The latest version of RHEL (5) is using a highly patched 2.6.18 - and many of the patches are driver backports.
(There are over 2000 patches in total.
)After experiencing a few hardware support regressions (Intel graphics, audio working better with 2.6.18 than 2.6.27, audio working better with the open source and third-party OSS), and after having to upgrade the operating system on perfectly working systems because the old version was not getting necessary bug fixes or security updates, I've generally given up on anything that has a short support lifecycle - no more Debian, no more regular Ubuntu releases, no more Fedora.
I only run these distributions in virtual environments, and only when they for things that aren't important.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28203595</id>
	<title>Tricked out Android + VNC?</title>
	<author>Celeste R</author>
	<datestamp>1244032500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If people want Windows, they can have Windows.  However, I'll be more than happy to stick with the rarely-used Windows installation I already have.</p><p>How often do you use a full-blown OS while you're waiting at the fast food line?  Not very often, I'll bet.  Why not simply leave the bloat at home or in the office?  Most of us would be happy with relatively simple things like a good web browser, email reader, and a cheap old rich text editor, and if you're going to blur the lines between phone and netbook, why not add phone functions to that list?  All of those things are things that will come to Android, and it basically takes care of the "necessities" on the go.</p><p>As far as the luxuries on the go, you might be able to squeeze a DVD drive into that sub-netbook.  Wireless connectivity can be used to connect to the heavier iron, making things that people use at work and home accessible (take for example:  MS Office or programming tasks).</p><p>VNC is not out of the question; the most you may have to do is bring your little charger around with you.  The bigger question than VNC is how to make it accessible to the masses?  I'd think that's easy.  Google has the connectedness to be able to tell one computer where to find another computer, all you'd need is the connecting software.  Granted, it's not quite like having a laptop right in front of you, but it allows the casual person to be able to take care of things at home, including checking on the shopping list.</p><p>Let's face it; we're not limited to the world of x86 netbooks.  smartbooks (or sub-netbooks) can be the tool of choice; capable of things that you wouldn't even be able to do casually with your favorite phone or Windows-based laptop variant.  I know that I'd ditch my laptop for a smartbook that can do the works, even if I have to do some things remotely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If people want Windows , they can have Windows .
However , I 'll be more than happy to stick with the rarely-used Windows installation I already have.How often do you use a full-blown OS while you 're waiting at the fast food line ?
Not very often , I 'll bet .
Why not simply leave the bloat at home or in the office ?
Most of us would be happy with relatively simple things like a good web browser , email reader , and a cheap old rich text editor , and if you 're going to blur the lines between phone and netbook , why not add phone functions to that list ?
All of those things are things that will come to Android , and it basically takes care of the " necessities " on the go.As far as the luxuries on the go , you might be able to squeeze a DVD drive into that sub-netbook .
Wireless connectivity can be used to connect to the heavier iron , making things that people use at work and home accessible ( take for example : MS Office or programming tasks ) .VNC is not out of the question ; the most you may have to do is bring your little charger around with you .
The bigger question than VNC is how to make it accessible to the masses ?
I 'd think that 's easy .
Google has the connectedness to be able to tell one computer where to find another computer , all you 'd need is the connecting software .
Granted , it 's not quite like having a laptop right in front of you , but it allows the casual person to be able to take care of things at home , including checking on the shopping list.Let 's face it ; we 're not limited to the world of x86 netbooks .
smartbooks ( or sub-netbooks ) can be the tool of choice ; capable of things that you would n't even be able to do casually with your favorite phone or Windows-based laptop variant .
I know that I 'd ditch my laptop for a smartbook that can do the works , even if I have to do some things remotely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If people want Windows, they can have Windows.
However, I'll be more than happy to stick with the rarely-used Windows installation I already have.How often do you use a full-blown OS while you're waiting at the fast food line?
Not very often, I'll bet.
Why not simply leave the bloat at home or in the office?
Most of us would be happy with relatively simple things like a good web browser, email reader, and a cheap old rich text editor, and if you're going to blur the lines between phone and netbook, why not add phone functions to that list?
All of those things are things that will come to Android, and it basically takes care of the "necessities" on the go.As far as the luxuries on the go, you might be able to squeeze a DVD drive into that sub-netbook.
Wireless connectivity can be used to connect to the heavier iron, making things that people use at work and home accessible (take for example:  MS Office or programming tasks).VNC is not out of the question; the most you may have to do is bring your little charger around with you.
The bigger question than VNC is how to make it accessible to the masses?
I'd think that's easy.
Google has the connectedness to be able to tell one computer where to find another computer, all you'd need is the connecting software.
Granted, it's not quite like having a laptop right in front of you, but it allows the casual person to be able to take care of things at home, including checking on the shopping list.Let's face it; we're not limited to the world of x86 netbooks.
smartbooks (or sub-netbooks) can be the tool of choice; capable of things that you wouldn't even be able to do casually with your favorite phone or Windows-based laptop variant.
I know that I'd ditch my laptop for a smartbook that can do the works, even if I have to do some things remotely.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198539</id>
	<title>You dont need big market share to win here</title>
	<author>140Mandak262Jamuna</author>
	<datestamp>1244054940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Android based hand held device does not pose a <b>direct</b> threat to MSFT. But all it needs is just large enough market share to force MSFT to be standards compliant. MSFT cant keep changing internal file formats, APIs and other tricks to be eternally non standards compliant. If enough people use Android to check email, it will force MSExchange to be more open. <p>

Remember Firefox? Once it reached a 10\% market share most websites started abandoning MSFT's walled garden and adopt standards. Same way if enough people migrate to Google docs, Open Office, Android etc etc, it will nail MSFT's underhanded tactics. If 10\% of the people are using OpenOffice, they will interact with some 20\% of the MsOffice market, and start demanding smooth file transfers. If 10\% of the people use Android net book to take a quick look at MsOffice powerpoint it will force MSFT to at least allow a standard compliant export or standard compliant view only mode. </p><p>

That is all it takes to start shaking the monopoly. Once MSFT market share in Office and OS starts to dip below 80\% it will get into a avalanche mode and drop to 40\% in just 4 or 5 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Android based hand held device does not pose a direct threat to MSFT .
But all it needs is just large enough market share to force MSFT to be standards compliant .
MSFT cant keep changing internal file formats , APIs and other tricks to be eternally non standards compliant .
If enough people use Android to check email , it will force MSExchange to be more open .
Remember Firefox ?
Once it reached a 10 \ % market share most websites started abandoning MSFT 's walled garden and adopt standards .
Same way if enough people migrate to Google docs , Open Office , Android etc etc , it will nail MSFT 's underhanded tactics .
If 10 \ % of the people are using OpenOffice , they will interact with some 20 \ % of the MsOffice market , and start demanding smooth file transfers .
If 10 \ % of the people use Android net book to take a quick look at MsOffice powerpoint it will force MSFT to at least allow a standard compliant export or standard compliant view only mode .
That is all it takes to start shaking the monopoly .
Once MSFT market share in Office and OS starts to dip below 80 \ % it will get into a avalanche mode and drop to 40 \ % in just 4 or 5 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Android based hand held device does not pose a direct threat to MSFT.
But all it needs is just large enough market share to force MSFT to be standards compliant.
MSFT cant keep changing internal file formats, APIs and other tricks to be eternally non standards compliant.
If enough people use Android to check email, it will force MSExchange to be more open.
Remember Firefox?
Once it reached a 10\% market share most websites started abandoning MSFT's walled garden and adopt standards.
Same way if enough people migrate to Google docs, Open Office, Android etc etc, it will nail MSFT's underhanded tactics.
If 10\% of the people are using OpenOffice, they will interact with some 20\% of the MsOffice market, and start demanding smooth file transfers.
If 10\% of the people use Android net book to take a quick look at MsOffice powerpoint it will force MSFT to at least allow a standard compliant export or standard compliant view only mode.
That is all it takes to start shaking the monopoly.
Once MSFT market share in Office and OS starts to dip below 80\% it will get into a avalanche mode and drop to 40\% in just 4 or 5 years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28200997</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244022600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup, Ubuntu unfortunately doesn't "just work...on most hardware".  This isn't anecdotal, it's me; and yes, I'm very tech-savvy (and pretty smart).  Three different wireless adapters in my desktop machine; none recognized.  My laptop has built-in Atheros wifi, which is supposed to "just work" but doesn't.  Frankly I'm not interested enough most of them time to attempt to make them work.  Not to mention sound, etc.  Sorry, it's still not quite ready.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , Ubuntu unfortunately does n't " just work...on most hardware " .
This is n't anecdotal , it 's me ; and yes , I 'm very tech-savvy ( and pretty smart ) .
Three different wireless adapters in my desktop machine ; none recognized .
My laptop has built-in Atheros wifi , which is supposed to " just work " but does n't .
Frankly I 'm not interested enough most of them time to attempt to make them work .
Not to mention sound , etc .
Sorry , it 's still not quite ready.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, Ubuntu unfortunately doesn't "just work...on most hardware".
This isn't anecdotal, it's me; and yes, I'm very tech-savvy (and pretty smart).
Three different wireless adapters in my desktop machine; none recognized.
My laptop has built-in Atheros wifi, which is supposed to "just work" but doesn't.
Frankly I'm not interested enough most of them time to attempt to make them work.
Not to mention sound, etc.
Sorry, it's still not quite ready.....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197929</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244052660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is something that is currently being exploited by Apple.  Walking around the college campuses lately I have been noticing that Macs are about 50\% of the "I brought it to class to take notes" crowd.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is something that is currently being exploited by Apple .
Walking around the college campuses lately I have been noticing that Macs are about 50 \ % of the " I brought it to class to take notes " crowd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is something that is currently being exploited by Apple.
Walking around the college campuses lately I have been noticing that Macs are about 50\% of the "I brought it to class to take notes" crowd.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197475</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198931</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>rumith</author>
	<datestamp>1244056920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> 1) I didn't compare Linux to Vista. I said that on many installations, Linux hardware support is lacking to say the least. I don't care if somebody's favorite garbage OS has better or worse hardware support, I tell about an important problem we have to solve. Vista may or may not support a huge amount of hardware, but unless we do <i>far</i> better (i.e. support everything it supports and more out of the box. Yes I really mean out of the box), we're not going to win this fight.</p><p>
2) Last time I checked, x86 is used on every single notebook and every single modern desktop out there (older Macs aside). I'm a Debian user myself, so you don't have to tell me about the number of platforms a Linux distro may support. Things may change if these new ARM netbooks will take off; until then, we bow to our old x86 overlords.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) I did n't compare Linux to Vista .
I said that on many installations , Linux hardware support is lacking to say the least .
I do n't care if somebody 's favorite garbage OS has better or worse hardware support , I tell about an important problem we have to solve .
Vista may or may not support a huge amount of hardware , but unless we do far better ( i.e .
support everything it supports and more out of the box .
Yes I really mean out of the box ) , we 're not going to win this fight .
2 ) Last time I checked , x86 is used on every single notebook and every single modern desktop out there ( older Macs aside ) .
I 'm a Debian user myself , so you do n't have to tell me about the number of platforms a Linux distro may support .
Things may change if these new ARM netbooks will take off ; until then , we bow to our old x86 overlords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 1) I didn't compare Linux to Vista.
I said that on many installations, Linux hardware support is lacking to say the least.
I don't care if somebody's favorite garbage OS has better or worse hardware support, I tell about an important problem we have to solve.
Vista may or may not support a huge amount of hardware, but unless we do far better (i.e.
support everything it supports and more out of the box.
Yes I really mean out of the box), we're not going to win this fight.
2) Last time I checked, x86 is used on every single notebook and every single modern desktop out there (older Macs aside).
I'm a Debian user myself, so you don't have to tell me about the number of platforms a Linux distro may support.
Things may change if these new ARM netbooks will take off; until then, we bow to our old x86 overlords.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198759</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198945</id>
	<title>Re:How exactly?</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1244056920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You realise that these days, if you see someone who never heard of Google you can safely call him a Luddite, right? Everyone knows who Google is, a lot of people even refer to their web browser as "Google". They have as much brand recognition if not more than Microsoft and Apple, and everyone knows that Google makes great services.</p><p>Given how much muscle they can flex on any front if they really get into it, in 10 years even your mom will want a "Google laptop".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You realise that these days , if you see someone who never heard of Google you can safely call him a Luddite , right ?
Everyone knows who Google is , a lot of people even refer to their web browser as " Google " .
They have as much brand recognition if not more than Microsoft and Apple , and everyone knows that Google makes great services.Given how much muscle they can flex on any front if they really get into it , in 10 years even your mom will want a " Google laptop " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You realise that these days, if you see someone who never heard of Google you can safely call him a Luddite, right?
Everyone knows who Google is, a lot of people even refer to their web browser as "Google".
They have as much brand recognition if not more than Microsoft and Apple, and everyone knows that Google makes great services.Given how much muscle they can flex on any front if they really get into it, in 10 years even your mom will want a "Google laptop".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197585</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197787</id>
	<title>Nice!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244052060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A version of Linux that people can pronounce!  I'm sure that has been the only thing holding Ubuntu (sp?) back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A version of Linux that people can pronounce !
I 'm sure that has been the only thing holding Ubuntu ( sp ?
) back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A version of Linux that people can pronounce!
I'm sure that has been the only thing holding Ubuntu (sp?
) back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198887</id>
	<title>Troll2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244056680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So where can I get this for my netbook. Oh that's right, it's vaporware. But boy it is still snappy on Win 7.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So where can I get this for my netbook .
Oh that 's right , it 's vaporware .
But boy it is still snappy on Win 7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So where can I get this for my netbook.
Oh that's right, it's vaporware.
But boy it is still snappy on Win 7.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28199125</id>
	<title>And what are we meant to run on this OS?</title>
	<author>Latinhypercube</author>
	<datestamp>1244057760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does Android have ANY applications AT ALL ?

What a bogus article.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does Android have ANY applications AT ALL ?
What a bogus article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does Android have ANY applications AT ALL ?
What a bogus article.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28200143</id>
	<title>Re:Next Wave</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244062500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So where do the millions of applications written for the iPhone in objective C fit in your scheme?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So where do the millions of applications written for the iPhone in objective C fit in your scheme ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So where do the millions of applications written for the iPhone in objective C fit in your scheme?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198505</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28201619</id>
	<title>Re:How exactly?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244024820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Consistency.</p><p>There is no 'Linux OS'.  There is Ubuntu, SUSE, Redhat, CentOS, Debian, Slackware, (insert the other 150 distros or whatever we're up to now), and Android.</p><p>Cell phone manufactures vet software that goes on phones on their networks, you don't change it every day with new libraries, kernels and feature sets.  Makes hitting the Android target about a billion times easier than hitting any given distro for anything more than hello world.</p><p>Back in the DOS days, did people use something other than MS DOS?  Certainly.  Did they often find compatibility problems and other random issues when they were using PC DOS or DR DOS or Novell DOS? Damn sure did, and this is why most people used MS DOS rather than something else.</p><p>Microsoft doesn't generally change kernel interfaces for several years.  Whens the last time a kernel interface was changed in Linux?  30 minutes ago?  A hour?</p><p>Google will probably not push changes out all the time, thus providing developers a consistent target to hit, making it a viable business proposition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Consistency.There is no 'Linux OS' .
There is Ubuntu , SUSE , Redhat , CentOS , Debian , Slackware , ( insert the other 150 distros or whatever we 're up to now ) , and Android.Cell phone manufactures vet software that goes on phones on their networks , you do n't change it every day with new libraries , kernels and feature sets .
Makes hitting the Android target about a billion times easier than hitting any given distro for anything more than hello world.Back in the DOS days , did people use something other than MS DOS ?
Certainly. Did they often find compatibility problems and other random issues when they were using PC DOS or DR DOS or Novell DOS ?
Damn sure did , and this is why most people used MS DOS rather than something else.Microsoft does n't generally change kernel interfaces for several years .
Whens the last time a kernel interface was changed in Linux ?
30 minutes ago ?
A hour ? Google will probably not push changes out all the time , thus providing developers a consistent target to hit , making it a viable business proposition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consistency.There is no 'Linux OS'.
There is Ubuntu, SUSE, Redhat, CentOS, Debian, Slackware, (insert the other 150 distros or whatever we're up to now), and Android.Cell phone manufactures vet software that goes on phones on their networks, you don't change it every day with new libraries, kernels and feature sets.
Makes hitting the Android target about a billion times easier than hitting any given distro for anything more than hello world.Back in the DOS days, did people use something other than MS DOS?
Certainly.  Did they often find compatibility problems and other random issues when they were using PC DOS or DR DOS or Novell DOS?
Damn sure did, and this is why most people used MS DOS rather than something else.Microsoft doesn't generally change kernel interfaces for several years.
Whens the last time a kernel interface was changed in Linux?
30 minutes ago?
A hour?Google will probably not push changes out all the time, thus providing developers a consistent target to hit, making it a viable business proposition.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197585</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28230153</id>
	<title>Re:Wont Happen Unless</title>
	<author>Nicolay77</author>
	<datestamp>1244223300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And Mobile Windows and netbooks is precisely where Android plans to compete.</p><p>Total computers in use are about 1.3 billion right now, and it is a saturated market.</p><p>Total cell phones in use are about 4.2 Billion and still growing in most markets worldwide.</p><p>In ten years probably every single cell phone will be what we now call a smartphone.</p><p>These numbers is what Google really cares about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And Mobile Windows and netbooks is precisely where Android plans to compete.Total computers in use are about 1.3 billion right now , and it is a saturated market.Total cell phones in use are about 4.2 Billion and still growing in most markets worldwide.In ten years probably every single cell phone will be what we now call a smartphone.These numbers is what Google really cares about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Mobile Windows and netbooks is precisely where Android plans to compete.Total computers in use are about 1.3 billion right now, and it is a saturated market.Total cell phones in use are about 4.2 Billion and still growing in most markets worldwide.In ten years probably every single cell phone will be what we now call a smartphone.These numbers is what Google really cares about.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198469</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28199105</id>
	<title>No thank you!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244057640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is hard enough to keep Google out of your personal business. The word privacy is not even in their vocabulary. Now I am supposed to use their operating system?</p><p>Any Google guys reading this: look up the work privacy in a dictionary, then apply it. Google still has the #1 worst privacy record of any company on Earth today. If the government pulled the same stunts that Google does we would be taking over the white house with shotguns.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is hard enough to keep Google out of your personal business .
The word privacy is not even in their vocabulary .
Now I am supposed to use their operating system ? Any Google guys reading this : look up the work privacy in a dictionary , then apply it .
Google still has the # 1 worst privacy record of any company on Earth today .
If the government pulled the same stunts that Google does we would be taking over the white house with shotguns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is hard enough to keep Google out of your personal business.
The word privacy is not even in their vocabulary.
Now I am supposed to use their operating system?Any Google guys reading this: look up the work privacy in a dictionary, then apply it.
Google still has the #1 worst privacy record of any company on Earth today.
If the government pulled the same stunts that Google does we would be taking over the white house with shotguns.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28202059</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian?</title>
	<author>salesgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1244026260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There you would be wrong.  There are now 18 (six of which are restriction free level 3 devices) different announced devices running three different levels of Andriod, all due out by EOY.  Not all the devices coming out are smartphones. Motorola has made a fairly extreme commitment to Android carriers not in on iPhone are seeing technology that is at least a match for it, in nearly every way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There you would be wrong .
There are now 18 ( six of which are restriction free level 3 devices ) different announced devices running three different levels of Andriod , all due out by EOY .
Not all the devices coming out are smartphones .
Motorola has made a fairly extreme commitment to Android carriers not in on iPhone are seeing technology that is at least a match for it , in nearly every way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There you would be wrong.
There are now 18 (six of which are restriction free level 3 devices) different announced devices running three different levels of Andriod, all due out by EOY.
Not all the devices coming out are smartphones.
Motorola has made a fairly extreme commitment to Android carriers not in on iPhone are seeing technology that is at least a match for it, in nearly every way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197561</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28206535</id>
	<title>Interesting...</title>
	<author>jschmerge</author>
	<datestamp>1244148780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I find this kind of interesting... While I haven't yet played with Android yet (or for that matter Windows on a netbook), this does seem to be an interesting development. I would *really* like to see a performance comparison between Android and Windows on the same netbook; both from a speed and resource consumption standpoint.
</p><p>
Overall, I really like the idea of Android, but think the platform is still too new for anyone to really pay it any serious attention. What really needs to happen is for cell phone manufacturers to have a compelling reason to use it on their cell phones.
</p><p>
That being said, I think Android is going to slowly whither away as a technological footnote over the next several years.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find this kind of interesting... While I have n't yet played with Android yet ( or for that matter Windows on a netbook ) , this does seem to be an interesting development .
I would * really * like to see a performance comparison between Android and Windows on the same netbook ; both from a speed and resource consumption standpoint .
Overall , I really like the idea of Android , but think the platform is still too new for anyone to really pay it any serious attention .
What really needs to happen is for cell phone manufacturers to have a compelling reason to use it on their cell phones .
That being said , I think Android is going to slowly whither away as a technological footnote over the next several years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I find this kind of interesting... While I haven't yet played with Android yet (or for that matter Windows on a netbook), this does seem to be an interesting development.
I would *really* like to see a performance comparison between Android and Windows on the same netbook; both from a speed and resource consumption standpoint.
Overall, I really like the idea of Android, but think the platform is still too new for anyone to really pay it any serious attention.
What really needs to happen is for cell phone manufacturers to have a compelling reason to use it on their cell phones.
That being said, I think Android is going to slowly whither away as a technological footnote over the next several years.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28203615</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1244032620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"With Windows now in a "just works" state on some hardware"</p><p>There fixed it for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" With Windows now in a " just works " state on some hardware " There fixed it for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"With Windows now in a "just works" state on some hardware"There fixed it for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28199469</id>
	<title>Re:Er... what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244059500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we you can pull down the source and modify any component you'd like.</p><p>if that's a feature you need, why not modify it to do so?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we you can pull down the source and modify any component you 'd like.if that 's a feature you need , why not modify it to do so ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we you can pull down the source and modify any component you'd like.if that's a feature you need, why not modify it to do so?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198521</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28204215</id>
	<title>Re:How exactly?</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1244036340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What does android has</p></div><p>Cheezburgar?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What does android hasCheezburgar ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does android hasCheezburgar?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198587</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>nxtw</author>
	<datestamp>1244055120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Seriously. With Ubuntu now in a "just works" state on most hardware, and Android tested by commercial entities to work out-of-the-box fro specific hardware, there is real choice. The lower cost of slick Linux devices and PCs compared to OS X premium hardware from Apple will start to take hold this year.</p></div></blockquote><p>Ubuntu 9.04 had <a href="http://www.workswithu.com/2009/05/06/the-ubuntu-904-intel-graphics-fiasco/" title="workswithu.com">a serious regression on Intel integrated graphics</a> [workswithu.com], as did Fedora 10.  The sad part is this used to "just work" - Intel's drivers are fully open source.</p><p>Intel <a href="http://www.edn.com/article/CA6654751.html" title="edn.com">holds nearly 50\% of the PC graphics market share</a> [edn.com].  It's tough to say that it "just works" when nearly half of the latest hardware has broken graphics support -  including the nearly all of the netbooks that Linux is supposed to be so great for.  I find it troubling that they shipped an OS that broke graphics performance on so many systems - why did this happen now, and what prevents it from happening again?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
With Ubuntu now in a " just works " state on most hardware , and Android tested by commercial entities to work out-of-the-box fro specific hardware , there is real choice .
The lower cost of slick Linux devices and PCs compared to OS X premium hardware from Apple will start to take hold this year.Ubuntu 9.04 had a serious regression on Intel integrated graphics [ workswithu.com ] , as did Fedora 10 .
The sad part is this used to " just work " - Intel 's drivers are fully open source.Intel holds nearly 50 \ % of the PC graphics market share [ edn.com ] .
It 's tough to say that it " just works " when nearly half of the latest hardware has broken graphics support - including the nearly all of the netbooks that Linux is supposed to be so great for .
I find it troubling that they shipped an OS that broke graphics performance on so many systems - why did this happen now , and what prevents it from happening again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
With Ubuntu now in a "just works" state on most hardware, and Android tested by commercial entities to work out-of-the-box fro specific hardware, there is real choice.
The lower cost of slick Linux devices and PCs compared to OS X premium hardware from Apple will start to take hold this year.Ubuntu 9.04 had a serious regression on Intel integrated graphics [workswithu.com], as did Fedora 10.
The sad part is this used to "just work" - Intel's drivers are fully open source.Intel holds nearly 50\% of the PC graphics market share [edn.com].
It's tough to say that it "just works" when nearly half of the latest hardware has broken graphics support -  including the nearly all of the netbooks that Linux is supposed to be so great for.
I find it troubling that they shipped an OS that broke graphics performance on so many systems - why did this happen now, and what prevents it from happening again?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28201947</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>chuckymonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1244025900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know what's interesting about that? I work for a Fortune 50 company engineering all things *nix, so I'm a big supporter of your idea. I recently was talking to our IT department and found out that the majority of perfectly good desktops that get replaced on a regular cycle are just thrown out. To me this is unacceptable, so I went to a couple of schools in rough neighborhoods and talked to the superintendents. What I wanted to do was take these computers and put Edubuntu on them for the kids and work with the schools to put them in homes that need them. All I needed from the schools was a tax code so my company could write off the computers and a list of kids that needed them. I was given an emphatic no from every one of the schools I talked to. Some gave reasons, mostly borne out of ignorance and others didn't. It just astounded me how narrow minded these people were when I was offering my time and a pile of computers to kids that need them. I'm currently looking into doing something like Helios and just working with teachers directly. Still, it just blows my mind that they don't want these kids to succeed like I did. Even when presented with a former free lunch kid who has come up through the world and wants to help other kids do the same they resist having these kids aspire to something different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know what 's interesting about that ?
I work for a Fortune 50 company engineering all things * nix , so I 'm a big supporter of your idea .
I recently was talking to our IT department and found out that the majority of perfectly good desktops that get replaced on a regular cycle are just thrown out .
To me this is unacceptable , so I went to a couple of schools in rough neighborhoods and talked to the superintendents .
What I wanted to do was take these computers and put Edubuntu on them for the kids and work with the schools to put them in homes that need them .
All I needed from the schools was a tax code so my company could write off the computers and a list of kids that needed them .
I was given an emphatic no from every one of the schools I talked to .
Some gave reasons , mostly borne out of ignorance and others did n't .
It just astounded me how narrow minded these people were when I was offering my time and a pile of computers to kids that need them .
I 'm currently looking into doing something like Helios and just working with teachers directly .
Still , it just blows my mind that they do n't want these kids to succeed like I did .
Even when presented with a former free lunch kid who has come up through the world and wants to help other kids do the same they resist having these kids aspire to something different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what's interesting about that?
I work for a Fortune 50 company engineering all things *nix, so I'm a big supporter of your idea.
I recently was talking to our IT department and found out that the majority of perfectly good desktops that get replaced on a regular cycle are just thrown out.
To me this is unacceptable, so I went to a couple of schools in rough neighborhoods and talked to the superintendents.
What I wanted to do was take these computers and put Edubuntu on them for the kids and work with the schools to put them in homes that need them.
All I needed from the schools was a tax code so my company could write off the computers and a list of kids that needed them.
I was given an emphatic no from every one of the schools I talked to.
Some gave reasons, mostly borne out of ignorance and others didn't.
It just astounded me how narrow minded these people were when I was offering my time and a pile of computers to kids that need them.
I'm currently looking into doing something like Helios and just working with teachers directly.
Still, it just blows my mind that they don't want these kids to succeed like I did.
Even when presented with a former free lunch kid who has come up through the world and wants to help other kids do the same they resist having these kids aspire to something different.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28203597</id>
	<title>Re:Er... what?</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1244032500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, but you got to leave 2 Hundred on the dresser on your way out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , but you got to leave 2 Hundred on the dresser on your way out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, but you got to leave 2 Hundred on the dresser on your way out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198527</id>
	<title>Re:Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244054880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google should really be pushing the Google App store.  There should be a link on the Android netbook 'desktop' to the app store.  Or even better, they should build an interface so that free software can be obtained on an Android netbook as easily as it is on Ubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google should really be pushing the Google App store .
There should be a link on the Android netbook 'desktop ' to the app store .
Or even better , they should build an interface so that free software can be obtained on an Android netbook as easily as it is on Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google should really be pushing the Google App store.
There should be a link on the Android netbook 'desktop' to the app store.
Or even better, they should build an interface so that free software can be obtained on an Android netbook as easily as it is on Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197371</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28202555</id>
	<title>Re:Contradictory Statements!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244028000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love you never really say anything at all, yet always get modded up for it.  I am in awe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love you never really say anything at all , yet always get modded up for it .
I am in awe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love you never really say anything at all, yet always get modded up for it.
I am in awe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197307</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28201679</id>
	<title>You aren't listening</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1244025060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If you could buy a typical sized netbook that could just do email and browse the internet...nobody would care which OS it used.</i> </p><p>This is the product that is DOA but won't lie down.</p><p> The product the stock boy at WalMart drop-kicks into the dumpster.</p><p>It's the 99 pound weakling Charles Atlas pounds into the sand. The clapped-out Yugo the geek drives to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you could buy a typical sized netbook that could just do email and browse the internet...nobody would care which OS it used .
This is the product that is DOA but wo n't lie down .
The product the stock boy at WalMart drop-kicks into the dumpster.It 's the 99 pound weakling Charles Atlas pounds into the sand .
The clapped-out Yugo the geek drives to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you could buy a typical sized netbook that could just do email and browse the internet...nobody would care which OS it used.
This is the product that is DOA but won't lie down.
The product the stock boy at WalMart drop-kicks into the dumpster.It's the 99 pound weakling Charles Atlas pounds into the sand.
The clapped-out Yugo the geek drives to work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197501</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197477</id>
	<title>If anything deserves a GoodLuckWithThat tag...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244050920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This article CERTAINLY deserves a GoodLuckWithThat Slashdot article tag!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This article CERTAINLY deserves a GoodLuckWithThat Slashdot article tag !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article CERTAINLY deserves a GoodLuckWithThat Slashdot article tag!
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198051</id>
	<title>Re:Windows' biggest challenge is its size</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244053080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I completely agree with your point, but I completely disagree with your signature.<br> <br>Adding hazelnut syrup to my coffee is delicious and creamy in my mouth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I completely agree with your point , but I completely disagree with your signature .
Adding hazelnut syrup to my coffee is delicious and creamy in my mouth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I completely agree with your point, but I completely disagree with your signature.
Adding hazelnut syrup to my coffee is delicious and creamy in my mouth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28199193</id>
	<title>Re:Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>Lonewolf666</author>
	<datestamp>1244058120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is anyone really trying?</p><p>The cheapest netbooks I can find on Amazon are around $250, with specs that are sufficient for Windows XP. The OLPC laptop reportedly costs around $200 these days (difficult to compare because it is not in the usual sales channels).</p><p>I wonder how much you could squeeze the price with a cheaper processor (ARM?), less memory and a minimalistic Linux setup.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is anyone really trying ? The cheapest netbooks I can find on Amazon are around $ 250 , with specs that are sufficient for Windows XP .
The OLPC laptop reportedly costs around $ 200 these days ( difficult to compare because it is not in the usual sales channels ) .I wonder how much you could squeeze the price with a cheaper processor ( ARM ?
) , less memory and a minimalistic Linux setup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is anyone really trying?The cheapest netbooks I can find on Amazon are around $250, with specs that are sufficient for Windows XP.
The OLPC laptop reportedly costs around $200 these days (difficult to compare because it is not in the usual sales channels).I wonder how much you could squeeze the price with a cheaper processor (ARM?
), less memory and a minimalistic Linux setup.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28200787</id>
	<title>Android Sucks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244021820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish people would realize that its not as good as people think it is. Only if google developer are doing a device, it will happen. The open source community of android developers dont have the power to really make things happen with that platform yet... It needs a good few years before I will be able to do anything cool!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish people would realize that its not as good as people think it is .
Only if google developer are doing a device , it will happen .
The open source community of android developers dont have the power to really make things happen with that platform yet... It needs a good few years before I will be able to do anything cool !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish people would realize that its not as good as people think it is.
Only if google developer are doing a device, it will happen.
The open source community of android developers dont have the power to really make things happen with that platform yet... It needs a good few years before I will be able to do anything cool!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28204779</id>
	<title>Re:Ho Hum</title>
	<author>Civil\_Disobedient</author>
	<datestamp>1244040720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>At some point, they can run Windows without sacrificing the "user experience."</i></p><p>You just contradicted yourself.  <i>People don't care about the OS</i>.  Consumers don't care if they can run Windows.  They want to be able to surf the web, write letters, maybe use a spreadsheet once or twice a month, listen to music and watch some porn.  Give them hardware that can handle that, and they won't care about the OS.</p><p>There's only so much processing power you need to be able to do these things.  With a nice, fast OS, you don't <i>need</i> the latest &amp; greatest Intel offering.  Which means you can reduce manufacturing costs to peanuts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At some point , they can run Windows without sacrificing the " user experience .
" You just contradicted yourself .
People do n't care about the OS .
Consumers do n't care if they can run Windows .
They want to be able to surf the web , write letters , maybe use a spreadsheet once or twice a month , listen to music and watch some porn .
Give them hardware that can handle that , and they wo n't care about the OS.There 's only so much processing power you need to be able to do these things .
With a nice , fast OS , you do n't need the latest &amp; greatest Intel offering .
Which means you can reduce manufacturing costs to peanuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At some point, they can run Windows without sacrificing the "user experience.
"You just contradicted yourself.
People don't care about the OS.
Consumers don't care if they can run Windows.
They want to be able to surf the web, write letters, maybe use a spreadsheet once or twice a month, listen to music and watch some porn.
Give them hardware that can handle that, and they won't care about the OS.There's only so much processing power you need to be able to do these things.
With a nice, fast OS, you don't need the latest &amp; greatest Intel offering.
Which means you can reduce manufacturing costs to peanuts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198501</id>
	<title>Re:Windows' biggest challenge is its size</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1244054820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The biggest challenge facing Windows is its size and hardware requirements</p></div><p>Well, most people would say its reliability and security issues. But I guess those are also effects of feature bloat, driven by a desire to please lots of diverse customers.</p><p>Nobody seems immune from this. Apple people I know blame it for the meltdown in OS 8 development. I work at Sun, and I noticed that our latest crop of <a href="http://www.sun.com/sunray/sunray270/specs.xml" title="sun.com">Sun Ray thin clients</a> [sun.com] come with RS-232 ports &mdash; this at a time when such ports are disappearing from most products, including previous Sun Rays. When I asked about it, I was told that it was to accommodate a big customer deploying point-of-sale systems. (Bar code scanners, card swipers, etc., still haven't migrated to USB.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest challenge facing Windows is its size and hardware requirementsWell , most people would say its reliability and security issues .
But I guess those are also effects of feature bloat , driven by a desire to please lots of diverse customers.Nobody seems immune from this .
Apple people I know blame it for the meltdown in OS 8 development .
I work at Sun , and I noticed that our latest crop of Sun Ray thin clients [ sun.com ] come with RS-232 ports    this at a time when such ports are disappearing from most products , including previous Sun Rays .
When I asked about it , I was told that it was to accommodate a big customer deploying point-of-sale systems .
( Bar code scanners , card swipers , etc. , still have n't migrated to USB .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest challenge facing Windows is its size and hardware requirementsWell, most people would say its reliability and security issues.
But I guess those are also effects of feature bloat, driven by a desire to please lots of diverse customers.Nobody seems immune from this.
Apple people I know blame it for the meltdown in OS 8 development.
I work at Sun, and I noticed that our latest crop of Sun Ray thin clients [sun.com] come with RS-232 ports — this at a time when such ports are disappearing from most products, including previous Sun Rays.
When I asked about it, I was told that it was to accommodate a big customer deploying point-of-sale systems.
(Bar code scanners, card swipers, etc., still haven't migrated to USB.
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28199137</id>
	<title>Re:Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1244057820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think you'll find most people aren't gamers, aren't Photoshop users and actually do just use their computer for communication and watching videos. Ubuntu will do what most people want but it's different and having to learn, for example, how to use Pidgin over MSN or AIM is too much for some people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 'll find most people are n't gamers , are n't Photoshop users and actually do just use their computer for communication and watching videos .
Ubuntu will do what most people want but it 's different and having to learn , for example , how to use Pidgin over MSN or AIM is too much for some people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you'll find most people aren't gamers, aren't Photoshop users and actually do just use their computer for communication and watching videos.
Ubuntu will do what most people want but it's different and having to learn, for example, how to use Pidgin over MSN or AIM is too much for some people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28199095</id>
	<title>nobody likes a stylus</title>
	<author>docbrody</author>
	<datestamp>1244057580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>These smartphone touch based OSs like Android and iPhoneOS bode well for a market segment that just never took off... Tablet Computing.<br> <br>

Bill Gates was a big believer in the Tablet form factor, but it never took off because it used the Windows UI (Start Bar, icons, windows), AND because it basically <b>requires the use of a stylus</b>. Now Bill Gates may be the kind of guy who has his shit together enough to not lose his stylus  constantly, but a lot of the rest of us do not.  If there is one thing you have to give Apple credit for is realizing that "nobody likes a stylus" and building an OS around touch.<br> <br>

A scaled up iTouch/Android/WebOS style interface on a tablet sized device sounds pretty cool to me.  And if you really want a stylus, it should be and optional device, not the default method of input.</htmltext>
<tokenext>These smartphone touch based OSs like Android and iPhoneOS bode well for a market segment that just never took off... Tablet Computing .
Bill Gates was a big believer in the Tablet form factor , but it never took off because it used the Windows UI ( Start Bar , icons , windows ) , AND because it basically requires the use of a stylus .
Now Bill Gates may be the kind of guy who has his shit together enough to not lose his stylus constantly , but a lot of the rest of us do not .
If there is one thing you have to give Apple credit for is realizing that " nobody likes a stylus " and building an OS around touch .
A scaled up iTouch/Android/WebOS style interface on a tablet sized device sounds pretty cool to me .
And if you really want a stylus , it should be and optional device , not the default method of input .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These smartphone touch based OSs like Android and iPhoneOS bode well for a market segment that just never took off... Tablet Computing.
Bill Gates was a big believer in the Tablet form factor, but it never took off because it used the Windows UI (Start Bar, icons, windows), AND because it basically requires the use of a stylus.
Now Bill Gates may be the kind of guy who has his shit together enough to not lose his stylus  constantly, but a lot of the rest of us do not.
If there is one thing you have to give Apple credit for is realizing that "nobody likes a stylus" and building an OS around touch.
A scaled up iTouch/Android/WebOS style interface on a tablet sized device sounds pretty cool to me.
And if you really want a stylus, it should be and optional device, not the default method of input.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197891</id>
	<title>Re:Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1244052480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm just going to buy one, and think of it as a high-end Smartphone. It may also function as a PC, but I'm mostly buying it to have a versatile, low-power media hub I can take with me anywhere.</p><p>Flash is really slow, and I would really like for it to die before all the hardware catches up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm just going to buy one , and think of it as a high-end Smartphone .
It may also function as a PC , but I 'm mostly buying it to have a versatile , low-power media hub I can take with me anywhere.Flash is really slow , and I would really like for it to die before all the hardware catches up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm just going to buy one, and think of it as a high-end Smartphone.
It may also function as a PC, but I'm mostly buying it to have a versatile, low-power media hub I can take with me anywhere.Flash is really slow, and I would really like for it to die before all the hardware catches up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197501</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28199733</id>
	<title>Re:Windows' biggest challenge is its size</title>
	<author>Paracelcus</author>
	<datestamp>1244060880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually if MS could just stop trying to re-invent the wheel every few years with a "new improved" version of Windows the hardware would catch up to XP, and to a certain extent it already has <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/apr08/04-03xpeos.mspx" title="microsoft.com">http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/apr08/04-03xpeos.mspx</a> [microsoft.com].  IMHO, all of this has the one laptop per child program at it's roots.</p><p>My prediction is that a fully functional mini-netbook will be mass marketed for $99.00 by Xmas 2010.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually if MS could just stop trying to re-invent the wheel every few years with a " new improved " version of Windows the hardware would catch up to XP , and to a certain extent it already has http : //www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/apr08/04-03xpeos.mspx [ microsoft.com ] .
IMHO , all of this has the one laptop per child program at it 's roots.My prediction is that a fully functional mini-netbook will be mass marketed for $ 99.00 by Xmas 2010 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually if MS could just stop trying to re-invent the wheel every few years with a "new improved" version of Windows the hardware would catch up to XP, and to a certain extent it already has http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/apr08/04-03xpeos.mspx [microsoft.com].
IMHO, all of this has the one laptop per child program at it's roots.My prediction is that a fully functional mini-netbook will be mass marketed for $99.00 by Xmas 2010.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197617</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197603</id>
	<title>Troll</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244051400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, Android is going to make it the year of the Linux desktop.  Just because you sell a few copies to some geeks doesn't mean you're going to take over the world, it'll be good when you finally get it into your head.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Android is going to make it the year of the Linux desktop .
Just because you sell a few copies to some geeks does n't mean you 're going to take over the world , it 'll be good when you finally get it into your head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Android is going to make it the year of the Linux desktop.
Just because you sell a few copies to some geeks doesn't mean you're going to take over the world, it'll be good when you finally get it into your head.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198525</id>
	<title>Re:Contradictory Statements!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244054880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The ODMs build the devices. Wistron and Compal build for Acer. Asus is currently built by a different ODM that isn't doing so hot, and will likely need to shift their production to a different gropu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ODMs build the devices .
Wistron and Compal build for Acer .
Asus is currently built by a different ODM that is n't doing so hot , and will likely need to shift their production to a different gropu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ODMs build the devices.
Wistron and Compal build for Acer.
Asus is currently built by a different ODM that isn't doing so hot, and will likely need to shift their production to a different gropu.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197957</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197307</id>
	<title>Contradictory Statements!</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1244050320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Meanwhile, notes reader Barence, Asus is continuing to distance itself from Android, saying it "isn't a priority."</p></div><p>I think the article you wanted to link there was <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/254506/asus-distances-itself-from-android-netbook.html" title="pcpro.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Asus distances itself from Android netbook</a> [pcpro.co.uk].  <br> <br>

That's odd considering the story we <a href="http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/06/02/1243237" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">discussed yesterday</a> [slashdot.org] in which Qualcomm showed an eee PC (an Asus product) running Android with an <i>ARM processor</i>.  And in the Bloomberg article (which also mentions that), "Asustek said in February its engineers were trying to develop an Android-based netbook this year."  <br> <br>

The comments of Jonathan Tsang, vice chairman of Asus, don't convince me.  Actions speak louder than words.  Hint: When you release an ARM Processor based chipset in a netbook, you're actually distancing yourself from Windows and x86 applications.  <br> <br>

What he means to say is "everything's ready, just don't alarm <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/28/0321251" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">our Redmond masters</a> [slashdot.org] until we're sure the consumer likes Android."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Meanwhile , notes reader Barence , Asus is continuing to distance itself from Android , saying it " is n't a priority .
" I think the article you wanted to link there was Asus distances itself from Android netbook [ pcpro.co.uk ] .
That 's odd considering the story we discussed yesterday [ slashdot.org ] in which Qualcomm showed an eee PC ( an Asus product ) running Android with an ARM processor .
And in the Bloomberg article ( which also mentions that ) , " Asustek said in February its engineers were trying to develop an Android-based netbook this year .
" The comments of Jonathan Tsang , vice chairman of Asus , do n't convince me .
Actions speak louder than words .
Hint : When you release an ARM Processor based chipset in a netbook , you 're actually distancing yourself from Windows and x86 applications .
What he means to say is " everything 's ready , just do n't alarm our Redmond masters [ slashdot.org ] until we 're sure the consumer likes Android .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meanwhile, notes reader Barence, Asus is continuing to distance itself from Android, saying it "isn't a priority.
"I think the article you wanted to link there was Asus distances itself from Android netbook [pcpro.co.uk].
That's odd considering the story we discussed yesterday [slashdot.org] in which Qualcomm showed an eee PC (an Asus product) running Android with an ARM processor.
And in the Bloomberg article (which also mentions that), "Asustek said in February its engineers were trying to develop an Android-based netbook this year.
"   

The comments of Jonathan Tsang, vice chairman of Asus, don't convince me.
Actions speak louder than words.
Hint: When you release an ARM Processor based chipset in a netbook, you're actually distancing yourself from Windows and x86 applications.
What he means to say is "everything's ready, just don't alarm our Redmond masters [slashdot.org] until we're sure the consumer likes Android.
"
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198469</id>
	<title>Wont Happen Unless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244054700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Android wont challenge windows Unless A. Business Apps work a lot more seemlessly with a linux based OS which Android is and B. Games work better on the platform. Only two areas Android will challenge Windows and that would be Mobile Windows and netbook.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Android wont challenge windows Unless A. Business Apps work a lot more seemlessly with a linux based OS which Android is and B. Games work better on the platform .
Only two areas Android will challenge Windows and that would be Mobile Windows and netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android wont challenge windows Unless A. Business Apps work a lot more seemlessly with a linux based OS which Android is and B. Games work better on the platform.
Only two areas Android will challenge Windows and that would be Mobile Windows and netbook.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197475</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>Random2</author>
	<datestamp>1244050920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not that the thing's 'ready to go', the problem still remains that the majority people currently using windows are use to windows and don't want to spend another 5 years learning a new operating system with new software. We really need to target the younger audiences and schools if we want to make progress.  It's something that windows did early on, and something that worked very well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not that the thing 's 'ready to go ' , the problem still remains that the majority people currently using windows are use to windows and do n't want to spend another 5 years learning a new operating system with new software .
We really need to target the younger audiences and schools if we want to make progress .
It 's something that windows did early on , and something that worked very well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not that the thing's 'ready to go', the problem still remains that the majority people currently using windows are use to windows and don't want to spend another 5 years learning a new operating system with new software.
We really need to target the younger audiences and schools if we want to make progress.
It's something that windows did early on, and something that worked very well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197413</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198837</id>
	<title>Ho Hum</title>
	<author>thethibs</author>
	<datestamp>1244056380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Two things: </p><p>1. People don't buy operating systems, they buy applications. Yet another OS is not interesting.</p><p>2. Handhelds and netbooks are getting more powerful with every new product. At some point, they can run Windows without sacrificing the "user experience." Small fast OS' have a fleeting advantage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Two things : 1 .
People do n't buy operating systems , they buy applications .
Yet another OS is not interesting.2 .
Handhelds and netbooks are getting more powerful with every new product .
At some point , they can run Windows without sacrificing the " user experience .
" Small fast OS ' have a fleeting advantage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two things: 1.
People don't buy operating systems, they buy applications.
Yet another OS is not interesting.2.
Handhelds and netbooks are getting more powerful with every new product.
At some point, they can run Windows without sacrificing the "user experience.
" Small fast OS' have a fleeting advantage.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28199423</id>
	<title>Seriously?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244059260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Android is cool and all, but it has a \_long\_ way to go before it challenges Windows in any serious way. Maybe (we can hope) Windows Mobile/CE, but Windows proper? Please.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Android is cool and all , but it has a \ _long \ _ way to go before it challenges Windows in any serious way .
Maybe ( we can hope ) Windows Mobile/CE , but Windows proper ?
Please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android is cool and all, but it has a \_long\_ way to go before it challenges Windows in any serious way.
Maybe (we can hope) Windows Mobile/CE, but Windows proper?
Please.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28207311</id>
	<title>Maybe....</title>
	<author>crhylove</author>
	<datestamp>1244116740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bet if MS put out a netbook with XP that ran decently for $100, nobody would buy any of that other crap you're talking about.  Price will win this war.  I know plenty of people who still don't own an iPhone, because it's not worth the price and the egregious AT&amp;T contract.  I think ubiquitous wifi and skype (or a FOSS clone) will eventually begin to outweigh all the phone carriers and operating systems, once the hardware is common and cheap enough, which it will be eventually.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet if MS put out a netbook with XP that ran decently for $ 100 , nobody would buy any of that other crap you 're talking about .
Price will win this war .
I know plenty of people who still do n't own an iPhone , because it 's not worth the price and the egregious AT&amp;T contract .
I think ubiquitous wifi and skype ( or a FOSS clone ) will eventually begin to outweigh all the phone carriers and operating systems , once the hardware is common and cheap enough , which it will be eventually .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet if MS put out a netbook with XP that ran decently for $100, nobody would buy any of that other crap you're talking about.
Price will win this war.
I know plenty of people who still don't own an iPhone, because it's not worth the price and the egregious AT&amp;T contract.
I think ubiquitous wifi and skype (or a FOSS clone) will eventually begin to outweigh all the phone carriers and operating systems, once the hardware is common and cheap enough, which it will be eventually.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197617</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28200785</id>
	<title>Re:How exactly?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244021820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Continue, please.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Continue , please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Continue, please.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197693</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197351</id>
	<title>Symbian?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244050440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right now, Android is more a rival for symbian than for Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right now , Android is more a rival for symbian than for Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now, Android is more a rival for symbian than for Windows.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197503</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>paazin</author>
	<datestamp>1244051040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>With Ubuntu now in a "just works" state on most hardware</p></div></blockquote><p>
Not really true, unfortunately.  I know this is just anecdotal but I've a few friends who were just getting into linux and they had nothing but trouble with installing on recent laptops.<br>They're pretty smart folks and somewhat tech-savvy, so I can't imagine someone's mom or grandmother trying to do the same.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With Ubuntu now in a " just works " state on most hardware Not really true , unfortunately .
I know this is just anecdotal but I 've a few friends who were just getting into linux and they had nothing but trouble with installing on recent laptops.They 're pretty smart folks and somewhat tech-savvy , so I ca n't imagine someone 's mom or grandmother trying to do the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Ubuntu now in a "just works" state on most hardware
Not really true, unfortunately.
I know this is just anecdotal but I've a few friends who were just getting into linux and they had nothing but trouble with installing on recent laptops.They're pretty smart folks and somewhat tech-savvy, so I can't imagine someone's mom or grandmother trying to do the same.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197413</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28202065</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1244026260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>We really need to target the younger audiences and schools if we want to make progress. It's something that windows did early on, and something that worked very well.</i> </p><p>It worked so well that my four year niece carries an XP netbook to her pre-school.<br>But - seriously now - where do you find a younger generation of users that doesn't already have a substantial investment in Windows?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We really need to target the younger audiences and schools if we want to make progress .
It 's something that windows did early on , and something that worked very well .
It worked so well that my four year niece carries an XP netbook to her pre-school.But - seriously now - where do you find a younger generation of users that does n't already have a substantial investment in Windows ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We really need to target the younger audiences and schools if we want to make progress.
It's something that windows did early on, and something that worked very well.
It worked so well that my four year niece carries an XP netbook to her pre-school.But - seriously now - where do you find a younger generation of users that doesn't already have a substantial investment in Windows?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197475</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197577</id>
	<title>Not just Android vs. Windows</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244051340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a growing willingness to attack the Windows+Intel+Dell+Apple cartel.  Well, Dell is already history.  Intel did well with Atom but it's a temporary victory that in fact opened a market segment where ARM-based CPUs can significantly beat Intel ones.  And the winning combination is Android + ARM, with long battery lives, Google's guarantee of world-class applications, and massive funding into the open source platforms needed to make it work.</p><p>Of course ASUS will produce Android smartbooks when the time comes, but for now they're getting fat discounts on Windows for their loyalty.</p><p>Very exciting times, I feel that thin cheap netbooks / smartbooks, and thin cheap VESA-mounted nettops already handle about 80\% of the use cases I see.  Only a few people need a multicore machine with huge disks.</p><p>I wonder how Intel is going to respond to this, but my guess is they will embrace Android and buy ARM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a growing willingness to attack the Windows + Intel + Dell + Apple cartel .
Well , Dell is already history .
Intel did well with Atom but it 's a temporary victory that in fact opened a market segment where ARM-based CPUs can significantly beat Intel ones .
And the winning combination is Android + ARM , with long battery lives , Google 's guarantee of world-class applications , and massive funding into the open source platforms needed to make it work.Of course ASUS will produce Android smartbooks when the time comes , but for now they 're getting fat discounts on Windows for their loyalty.Very exciting times , I feel that thin cheap netbooks / smartbooks , and thin cheap VESA-mounted nettops already handle about 80 \ % of the use cases I see .
Only a few people need a multicore machine with huge disks.I wonder how Intel is going to respond to this , but my guess is they will embrace Android and buy ARM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a growing willingness to attack the Windows+Intel+Dell+Apple cartel.
Well, Dell is already history.
Intel did well with Atom but it's a temporary victory that in fact opened a market segment where ARM-based CPUs can significantly beat Intel ones.
And the winning combination is Android + ARM, with long battery lives, Google's guarantee of world-class applications, and massive funding into the open source platforms needed to make it work.Of course ASUS will produce Android smartbooks when the time comes, but for now they're getting fat discounts on Windows for their loyalty.Very exciting times, I feel that thin cheap netbooks / smartbooks, and thin cheap VESA-mounted nettops already handle about 80\% of the use cases I see.
Only a few people need a multicore machine with huge disks.I wonder how Intel is going to respond to this, but my guess is they will embrace Android and buy ARM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197881</id>
	<title>Re:2010...</title>
	<author>rumith</author>
	<datestamp>1244052420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> With Ubuntu now in a "just works" state on <b>some</b> hardware</p></div><p>There. Fixed that for you. Unfortunately, my own stats (and I have installed Ubuntu on <i>lots</i> of different hardware configurations) indicate that in only about 30\% cases it just works with all the hardware that an average user will immediately notice to fail. Wireless, sound cards, video cards (missing 3d support and more), ACPI quirks... I think that the year of Linux on Desktop will never come, until we realize that we must not go the Microsoft Way -  we must go the Apple Way, no matter how absurd as it may sound at first! And maybe Google is trying to do just that - make sure there are several distinct hardware configurations 100\% supported by Android, instead of writing software to support everything invented by the mankind.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With Ubuntu now in a " just works " state on some hardwareThere .
Fixed that for you .
Unfortunately , my own stats ( and I have installed Ubuntu on lots of different hardware configurations ) indicate that in only about 30 \ % cases it just works with all the hardware that an average user will immediately notice to fail .
Wireless , sound cards , video cards ( missing 3d support and more ) , ACPI quirks... I think that the year of Linux on Desktop will never come , until we realize that we must not go the Microsoft Way - we must go the Apple Way , no matter how absurd as it may sound at first !
And maybe Google is trying to do just that - make sure there are several distinct hardware configurations 100 \ % supported by Android , instead of writing software to support everything invented by the mankind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> With Ubuntu now in a "just works" state on some hardwareThere.
Fixed that for you.
Unfortunately, my own stats (and I have installed Ubuntu on lots of different hardware configurations) indicate that in only about 30\% cases it just works with all the hardware that an average user will immediately notice to fail.
Wireless, sound cards, video cards (missing 3d support and more), ACPI quirks... I think that the year of Linux on Desktop will never come, until we realize that we must not go the Microsoft Way -  we must go the Apple Way, no matter how absurd as it may sound at first!
And maybe Google is trying to do just that - make sure there are several distinct hardware configurations 100\% supported by Android, instead of writing software to support everything invented by the mankind.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197413</id>
	<title>2010...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244050680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...will be the year of Linux on the Desktop.</p><p>Seriously.  With Ubuntu now in a "just works" state on most hardware, and Android tested by commercial entities to work out-of-the-box fro specific hardware, there is real choice.  The lower cost of slick Linux devices and PCs compared to OS X premium hardware from Apple will start to take hold this year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...will be the year of Linux on the Desktop.Seriously .
With Ubuntu now in a " just works " state on most hardware , and Android tested by commercial entities to work out-of-the-box fro specific hardware , there is real choice .
The lower cost of slick Linux devices and PCs compared to OS X premium hardware from Apple will start to take hold this year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...will be the year of Linux on the Desktop.Seriously.
With Ubuntu now in a "just works" state on most hardware, and Android tested by commercial entities to work out-of-the-box fro specific hardware, there is real choice.
The lower cost of slick Linux devices and PCs compared to OS X premium hardware from Apple will start to take hold this year.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28197553</id>
	<title>Re:Open vs Closed</title>
	<author>smitty\_one\_each</author>
	<datestamp>1244051220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>How could the Bad Analogy Guy overlook the 'droid vs. Borg comparison?<br>
You're slipping badly there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How could the Bad Analogy Guy overlook the 'droid vs. Borg comparison ?
You 're slipping badly there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How could the Bad Analogy Guy overlook the 'droid vs. Borg comparison?
You're slipping badly there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_1521243.28198715</id>
	<title>No Way, Really?</title>
	<author>rAiNsT0rm</author>
	<datestamp>1244055720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who didn't see this coming? But I think the smarter route is to start it as purely a mobile (smartphone/netbook) OS, work out the kinks and extend it THEN break it out as a full fledged OS. You'd hit the ground running, people already familiar with it, apps developed for it, etc. Then crush Microsoft's grapes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who did n't see this coming ?
But I think the smarter route is to start it as purely a mobile ( smartphone/netbook ) OS , work out the kinks and extend it THEN break it out as a full fledged OS .
You 'd hit the ground running , people already familiar with it , apps developed for it , etc .
Then crush Microsoft 's grapes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who didn't see this coming?
But I think the smarter route is to start it as purely a mobile (smartphone/netbook) OS, work out the kinks and extend it THEN break it out as a full fledged OS.
You'd hit the ground running, people already familiar with it, apps developed for it, etc.
Then crush Microsoft's grapes.</sentencetext>
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