<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_02_2117247</id>
	<title>GM's Hummer Brand To Be Sold To a Chinese Company</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1243939140000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes in to note that GM will <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/02/news/companies/gm\_hummer/?postversion=2009060216">sell its Hummer brand to Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Co.</a> of China, a little-known industrial firm. For now, the deal will save 3,000 jobs in the US. (The military HumVees are made by a separate company and are not involved in this deal.) <i>"As part of the deal, some GM plants will continue to build the Hummer brand for the new owner, at least for awhile. The company said its Shreveport, La., plant will keep building Hummers for the new owner until at least 2010. ... GM said it sold 5,013 Hummers worldwide in the first quarter, down 62\% from the 13,050 that it sold in the same period the prior year."</i> AP coverage has <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-source-GM-to-sell-Hummer-apf-15414837.html?sec=topStories&amp;pos=3&amp;asset=&amp;ccode=">more details on GM's planned divestitures</a>, including the shedding of Pontiac, Saturn, and Saab.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes in to note that GM will sell its Hummer brand to Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Co. of China , a little-known industrial firm .
For now , the deal will save 3,000 jobs in the US .
( The military HumVees are made by a separate company and are not involved in this deal .
) " As part of the deal , some GM plants will continue to build the Hummer brand for the new owner , at least for awhile .
The company said its Shreveport , La. , plant will keep building Hummers for the new owner until at least 2010 .
... GM said it sold 5,013 Hummers worldwide in the first quarter , down 62 \ % from the 13,050 that it sold in the same period the prior year .
" AP coverage has more details on GM 's planned divestitures , including the shedding of Pontiac , Saturn , and Saab .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes in to note that GM will sell its Hummer brand to Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Co. of China, a little-known industrial firm.
For now, the deal will save 3,000 jobs in the US.
(The military HumVees are made by a separate company and are not involved in this deal.
) "As part of the deal, some GM plants will continue to build the Hummer brand for the new owner, at least for awhile.
The company said its Shreveport, La., plant will keep building Hummers for the new owner until at least 2010.
... GM said it sold 5,013 Hummers worldwide in the first quarter, down 62\% from the 13,050 that it sold in the same period the prior year.
" AP coverage has more details on GM's planned divestitures, including the shedding of Pontiac, Saturn, and Saab.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190507</id>
	<title>They already have all the information</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1243951920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Behold, Chinese Humvees: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRC\_HMMWVs" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRC\_HMMWVs</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>(it must be stressed that current Hummers have absolutely nothing in common with Humvee)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Behold , Chinese Humvees : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRC \ _HMMWVs [ wikipedia.org ] ( it must be stressed that current Hummers have absolutely nothing in common with Humvee )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Behold, Chinese Humvees: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRC\_HMMWVs [wikipedia.org](it must be stressed that current Hummers have absolutely nothing in common with Humvee)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189789</id>
	<title>. . . Ricardo Montalban sells HumVees . . .</title>
	<author>PolygamousRanchKid </author>
	<datestamp>1243946820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So no, the Chinese are not getting military information out of it, other than perhaps how to add <b>leather seats</b> and cupholders to an existing H1.</p></div><p>. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.and rich Corinthian Leather . . .
</p><p> . . . if the Chinese get that technology, we're all toast . . .</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So no , the Chinese are not getting military information out of it , other than perhaps how to add leather seats and cupholders to an existing H1.. . .and rich Corinthian Leather .
. .
. .
. if the Chinese get that technology , we 're all toast .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So no, the Chinese are not getting military information out of it, other than perhaps how to add leather seats and cupholders to an existing H1.. . .and rich Corinthian Leather .
. .
. .
. if the Chinese get that technology, we're all toast .
. .
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28199625</id>
	<title>Re:An excellent company name</title>
	<author>EvilBudMan</author>
	<datestamp>1244060220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't like them as well as the the old jeep. Maybe it can go in deeper water, go over bigger rocks,etc. but they are expensive and they get hung up on four wheeling trails that an old CJ 7 Jeep or Toyota 4WD pickup can pass. I had a 94 Toyota that could make it through trails a hummer couldn't. A guy around her got his H1 stuck in between two trees. I would say old towns would have the same issues. Of course a military hummer can drag more stuff with it than the old small jeep but you could carry quite a bit with those jeeps as well, but what if our government spent less money and gave every other infantryman a four wheeler off the shelf from Honda or Yamaha. I just think a Hummer is to damn wide. Build more Strykers for something that size and get something small and handy off the shelf.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't like them as well as the the old jeep .
Maybe it can go in deeper water , go over bigger rocks,etc .
but they are expensive and they get hung up on four wheeling trails that an old CJ 7 Jeep or Toyota 4WD pickup can pass .
I had a 94 Toyota that could make it through trails a hummer could n't .
A guy around her got his H1 stuck in between two trees .
I would say old towns would have the same issues .
Of course a military hummer can drag more stuff with it than the old small jeep but you could carry quite a bit with those jeeps as well , but what if our government spent less money and gave every other infantryman a four wheeler off the shelf from Honda or Yamaha .
I just think a Hummer is to damn wide .
Build more Strykers for something that size and get something small and handy off the shelf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't like them as well as the the old jeep.
Maybe it can go in deeper water, go over bigger rocks,etc.
but they are expensive and they get hung up on four wheeling trails that an old CJ 7 Jeep or Toyota 4WD pickup can pass.
I had a 94 Toyota that could make it through trails a hummer couldn't.
A guy around her got his H1 stuck in between two trees.
I would say old towns would have the same issues.
Of course a military hummer can drag more stuff with it than the old small jeep but you could carry quite a bit with those jeeps as well, but what if our government spent less money and gave every other infantryman a four wheeler off the shelf from Honda or Yamaha.
I just think a Hummer is to damn wide.
Build more Strykers for something that size and get something small and handy off the shelf.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191611</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1243961760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>
From what I'm told, AM General [amgeneral.com] makes the HumVee, which for the original Hummer, was sold to GM as-is (well, a stripped down version anyhow). GM then painted them, added luxuries and such and then sold them to the public. </i>
</p><p>
There were some engineering changes.  For example, the original HMMWV had a top speed of 54MPH.
(The military didn't buy those things to drive them on freeways.)
The civilian version has a completely different transmission so it can go faster.
Here's the <a href="http://flashoffroad.com/hmmwv/HummervsHMMWV.htm" title="flashoffroad.com">full list of differences.</a> [flashoffroad.com] A few of the civilian features, like air conditioning, were backported to the HMMWV for ambulance and other enclosed applications.
</p><p>
The H2/H3/H4, of course, are based on ordinary GMC platforms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I 'm told , AM General [ amgeneral.com ] makes the HumVee , which for the original Hummer , was sold to GM as-is ( well , a stripped down version anyhow ) .
GM then painted them , added luxuries and such and then sold them to the public .
There were some engineering changes .
For example , the original HMMWV had a top speed of 54MPH .
( The military did n't buy those things to drive them on freeways .
) The civilian version has a completely different transmission so it can go faster .
Here 's the full list of differences .
[ flashoffroad.com ] A few of the civilian features , like air conditioning , were backported to the HMMWV for ambulance and other enclosed applications .
The H2/H3/H4 , of course , are based on ordinary GMC platforms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

From what I'm told, AM General [amgeneral.com] makes the HumVee, which for the original Hummer, was sold to GM as-is (well, a stripped down version anyhow).
GM then painted them, added luxuries and such and then sold them to the public.
There were some engineering changes.
For example, the original HMMWV had a top speed of 54MPH.
(The military didn't buy those things to drive them on freeways.
)
The civilian version has a completely different transmission so it can go faster.
Here's the full list of differences.
[flashoffroad.com] A few of the civilian features, like air conditioning, were backported to the HMMWV for ambulance and other enclosed applications.
The H2/H3/H4, of course, are based on ordinary GMC platforms.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28195279</id>
	<title>Re:America...</title>
	<author>NeoSkandranon</author>
	<datestamp>1244041860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"America's classic redneck, blow-hard, compensation-for-a-little-something"</p><p>That'd be the F250 IMO.  Hummer screams status-obsessed doctor, not obnoxious redneck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" America 's classic redneck , blow-hard , compensation-for-a-little-something " That 'd be the F250 IMO .
Hummer screams status-obsessed doctor , not obnoxious redneck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"America's classic redneck, blow-hard, compensation-for-a-little-something"That'd be the F250 IMO.
Hummer screams status-obsessed doctor, not obnoxious redneck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189557</id>
	<title>EV-1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243945260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guess that decision to produce the Hummer over the EV-1 has come back to bite GM in the <b>ASS</b> big time!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guess that decision to produce the Hummer over the EV-1 has come back to bite GM in the ASS big time !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guess that decision to produce the Hummer over the EV-1 has come back to bite GM in the ASS big time!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28195003</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>whipnet</author>
	<datestamp>1244040480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The H2 is actually sitting on a Suburban frame, not Tahoe.

*</htmltext>
<tokenext>The H2 is actually sitting on a Suburban frame , not Tahoe .
*</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The H2 is actually sitting on a Suburban frame, not Tahoe.
*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191031</id>
	<title>Re:The missing part?</title>
	<author>JackieBrown</author>
	<datestamp>1243956480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They did cut out anything positive about GM save the jobs "saved."  (I'm curious how that number is calculated as well.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They did cut out anything positive about GM save the jobs " saved .
" ( I 'm curious how that number is calculated as well .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They did cut out anything positive about GM save the jobs "saved.
"  (I'm curious how that number is calculated as well.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191573</id>
	<title>What I think is the real reason for auto bailouts.</title>
	<author>Animixer</author>
	<datestamp>1243961400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure I will get modded to heck for this, but I think it is in the best interests of our country to try and keep the automakers afloat.</p><p>Not for jobs, or iconic brands, or saving face; those are good side effects if they work.</p><p>Think about what the big automakers produced during the late 1930s to mid 1940s.</p><p>Making cars is just something to keep the plants busy and keep a skilled manufacturing force around should we ever need to ramp up quickly again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure I will get modded to heck for this , but I think it is in the best interests of our country to try and keep the automakers afloat.Not for jobs , or iconic brands , or saving face ; those are good side effects if they work.Think about what the big automakers produced during the late 1930s to mid 1940s.Making cars is just something to keep the plants busy and keep a skilled manufacturing force around should we ever need to ramp up quickly again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure I will get modded to heck for this, but I think it is in the best interests of our country to try and keep the automakers afloat.Not for jobs, or iconic brands, or saving face; those are good side effects if they work.Think about what the big automakers produced during the late 1930s to mid 1940s.Making cars is just something to keep the plants busy and keep a skilled manufacturing force around should we ever need to ramp up quickly again.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189281</id>
	<title>Re:Yay</title>
	<author>neoform</author>
	<datestamp>1243943820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You love being able to watch Madagascar while driving and merge without looking?</p><p>Yeah!!! Rumsfeld!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You love being able to watch Madagascar while driving and merge without looking ? Yeah ! ! !
Rumsfeld ! ! !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You love being able to watch Madagascar while driving and merge without looking?Yeah!!!
Rumsfeld!!!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191009</id>
	<title>Re:Are they going to still be sold here?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I wonder if anyone will buy Saab now, it has had worse sales than Hummer for a long time.</i>
<br> <br>
In the USA (the chart you link to is USA sales). In the civilized world, Saab sells far more than Hummer - Saabs are still selling reasonably well in Europe.
<br> <br>
The biggest problem with Saab vehicles recently have all been caused by them being owned by GM (lousy dealers with questionable warranty coverage, problems with the GM engines, inclusion of "features" like OnStar). If Saab became an independant car company again, they would have a decent chance at survival. Hey, if Skoda can become a fairly well selling car brand, Saab could easily do the same thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if anyone will buy Saab now , it has had worse sales than Hummer for a long time .
In the USA ( the chart you link to is USA sales ) .
In the civilized world , Saab sells far more than Hummer - Saabs are still selling reasonably well in Europe .
The biggest problem with Saab vehicles recently have all been caused by them being owned by GM ( lousy dealers with questionable warranty coverage , problems with the GM engines , inclusion of " features " like OnStar ) .
If Saab became an independant car company again , they would have a decent chance at survival .
Hey , if Skoda can become a fairly well selling car brand , Saab could easily do the same thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if anyone will buy Saab now, it has had worse sales than Hummer for a long time.
In the USA (the chart you link to is USA sales).
In the civilized world, Saab sells far more than Hummer - Saabs are still selling reasonably well in Europe.
The biggest problem with Saab vehicles recently have all been caused by them being owned by GM (lousy dealers with questionable warranty coverage, problems with the GM engines, inclusion of "features" like OnStar).
If Saab became an independant car company again, they would have a decent chance at survival.
Hey, if Skoda can become a fairly well selling car brand, Saab could easily do the same thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189645</id>
	<title>Mil version H1 is good</title>
	<author>AnAdventurer</author>
	<datestamp>1243945860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>While the Humvee is a good mil truck. The H2 is basically a Suburban and the H3 is basically a POS that was a failed attempt to capitalize on the desire of those who wished to own a H2 but couldn't afford one.<p>There is irony that a Chinese company now owns the brand, but I am not going to back that up with how.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While the Humvee is a good mil truck .
The H2 is basically a Suburban and the H3 is basically a POS that was a failed attempt to capitalize on the desire of those who wished to own a H2 but could n't afford one.There is irony that a Chinese company now owns the brand , but I am not going to back that up with how .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the Humvee is a good mil truck.
The H2 is basically a Suburban and the H3 is basically a POS that was a failed attempt to capitalize on the desire of those who wished to own a H2 but couldn't afford one.There is irony that a Chinese company now owns the brand, but I am not going to back that up with how.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190897</id>
	<title>Re:Are they going to still be sold here?</title>
	<author>Planesdragon</author>
	<datestamp>1243954980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The real problem isn't that Hummer is sold, it is that the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler have both been shoved down the companies and investor's throats</p></div><p>Yes.  By <b>bondholders</b>.  GM and Chrysler simply could not pay all their debt obligations, and had no way to grow enough to do so in a year's time.  So, they had two choices: get their creditors to renegotiate, or declare bankruptcy.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If Wall Street had been held to the same standards as Detroit the change might have been something I could believe in</p></div><p>Change?  How about the White House giving American auto-manufacturers the same deal that banks have had since the great depression?  Pretty smooth, if you ask me.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Hummer. Funny thing is they will survive in the real world and not the alternate reality world the US has become.</p></div><p>Hummer is a product of GM.  For all intents and purposes, GM "died" yesterday.</p><p>Talking about Hummer "surviving" after GM's bankruptcy is like talking about how Big Mac could "survive" McDonald's bankrupcty.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem is n't that Hummer is sold , it is that the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler have both been shoved down the companies and investor 's throatsYes .
By bondholders .
GM and Chrysler simply could not pay all their debt obligations , and had no way to grow enough to do so in a year 's time .
So , they had two choices : get their creditors to renegotiate , or declare bankruptcy.If Wall Street had been held to the same standards as Detroit the change might have been something I could believe inChange ?
How about the White House giving American auto-manufacturers the same deal that banks have had since the great depression ?
Pretty smooth , if you ask me.Hummer .
Funny thing is they will survive in the real world and not the alternate reality world the US has become.Hummer is a product of GM .
For all intents and purposes , GM " died " yesterday.Talking about Hummer " surviving " after GM 's bankruptcy is like talking about how Big Mac could " survive " McDonald 's bankrupcty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem isn't that Hummer is sold, it is that the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler have both been shoved down the companies and investor's throatsYes.
By bondholders.
GM and Chrysler simply could not pay all their debt obligations, and had no way to grow enough to do so in a year's time.
So, they had two choices: get their creditors to renegotiate, or declare bankruptcy.If Wall Street had been held to the same standards as Detroit the change might have been something I could believe inChange?
How about the White House giving American auto-manufacturers the same deal that banks have had since the great depression?
Pretty smooth, if you ask me.Hummer.
Funny thing is they will survive in the real world and not the alternate reality world the US has become.Hummer is a product of GM.
For all intents and purposes, GM "died" yesterday.Talking about Hummer "surviving" after GM's bankruptcy is like talking about how Big Mac could "survive" McDonald's bankrupcty.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190591</id>
	<title>Re:Yay</title>
	<author>R3d M3rcury</author>
	<datestamp>1243952820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Chinese Economy:  <b>Designed</b> in America.</p></div><p>Fixed that for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chinese Economy : Designed in America.Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chinese Economy:  Designed in America.Fixed that for you.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190657</id>
	<title>Re:EV-1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243953360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GM ex-President Rick Wagoner says that killing off the EV1 was his worst mistake. Not only did they stop making the cars, but they canceled the entire program.</p><p>http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2009-05-31-gm-mistakes-bankruptcy\_N.htm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GM ex-President Rick Wagoner says that killing off the EV1 was his worst mistake .
Not only did they stop making the cars , but they canceled the entire program.http : //www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2009-05-31-gm-mistakes-bankruptcy \ _N.htm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GM ex-President Rick Wagoner says that killing off the EV1 was his worst mistake.
Not only did they stop making the cars, but they canceled the entire program.http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2009-05-31-gm-mistakes-bankruptcy\_N.htm</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190031</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243948260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hang on.  People are seriously suggesting that the Chinese can learn something from a thing that is pretty well a 1940s British Leyland reject with worse construction than if the Yugoslavian state washing machine company was building them in the 1960s?  Unless it's a plot to reduce the quality of Chinese motor vehicles even furthur.<br> <br>A Hummer is a badge - it says to all "I'm rich and so is my mechanic."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hang on .
People are seriously suggesting that the Chinese can learn something from a thing that is pretty well a 1940s British Leyland reject with worse construction than if the Yugoslavian state washing machine company was building them in the 1960s ?
Unless it 's a plot to reduce the quality of Chinese motor vehicles even furthur .
A Hummer is a badge - it says to all " I 'm rich and so is my mechanic .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hang on.
People are seriously suggesting that the Chinese can learn something from a thing that is pretty well a 1940s British Leyland reject with worse construction than if the Yugoslavian state washing machine company was building them in the 1960s?
Unless it's a plot to reduce the quality of Chinese motor vehicles even furthur.
A Hummer is a badge - it says to all "I'm rich and so is my mechanic.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189209</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189825</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1243947000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HumVees (HMMWVs) are made by <a href="http://www.amgeneral.com/" title="amgeneral.com">AM General</a> [amgeneral.com]. They sold the distribution rights of the civilian version, the H1 Hummer to GM. GM based the H2 and H3 Hummers on other civilian vehicle chassis. The H2/H3 vehicles share no mechanical systems or production facilities with the HMMWV.
</p><p>Personnaly, I'd rather have a <a href="http://www.megacruiser.com/" title="megacruiser.com">MegaCrusier</a> [megacruiser.com] than any of these.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HumVees ( HMMWVs ) are made by AM General [ amgeneral.com ] .
They sold the distribution rights of the civilian version , the H1 Hummer to GM .
GM based the H2 and H3 Hummers on other civilian vehicle chassis .
The H2/H3 vehicles share no mechanical systems or production facilities with the HMMWV .
Personnaly , I 'd rather have a MegaCrusier [ megacruiser.com ] than any of these .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HumVees (HMMWVs) are made by AM General [amgeneral.com].
They sold the distribution rights of the civilian version, the H1 Hummer to GM.
GM based the H2 and H3 Hummers on other civilian vehicle chassis.
The H2/H3 vehicles share no mechanical systems or production facilities with the HMMWV.
Personnaly, I'd rather have a MegaCrusier [megacruiser.com] than any of these.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189103</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28200477</id>
	<title>Re:An excellent company name</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244020800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>H2 is a shell over the 1500 series, H3 is over the Trailblazer.</p><p>China just wants a leg in to the the US market to push Chinese crap cars.</p><p>They can also lease the name to who  or whatever to push their crap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>H2 is a shell over the 1500 series , H3 is over the Trailblazer.China just wants a leg in to the the US market to push Chinese crap cars.They can also lease the name to who or whatever to push their crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>H2 is a shell over the 1500 series, H3 is over the Trailblazer.China just wants a leg in to the the US market to push Chinese crap cars.They can also lease the name to who  or whatever to push their crap.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28193855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189147</id>
	<title>They want the tech</title>
	<author>timpdx</author>
	<datestamp>1243943160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They want the technology of building a large automobile &amp; other auto-related technology and practices. They are getting it pretty cheap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They want the technology of building a large automobile &amp; other auto-related technology and practices .
They are getting it pretty cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They want the technology of building a large automobile &amp; other auto-related technology and practices.
They are getting it pretty cheap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189583</id>
	<title>Re:Heads aspode</title>
	<author>lelitsch</author>
	<datestamp>1243945500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope the "Buy American" guy with his Hummer never walks into a Walmart. He might have a coronary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope the " Buy American " guy with his Hummer never walks into a Walmart .
He might have a coronary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope the "Buy American" guy with his Hummer never walks into a Walmart.
He might have a coronary.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189307</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189433</id>
	<title>"Communist" China.. workers paradise?</title>
	<author>gringofrijolero</author>
	<datestamp>1243944600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would definitely love to be around for the contract negotiations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would definitely love to be around for the contract negotiations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would definitely love to be around for the contract negotiations.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192073</id>
	<title>Re:Are they going to still be sold here?</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1243966560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is all about Wall Street and not Main Street.</p></div><p>Is that you, Sarah Palin? Stop posting on slashdot, and get back home, woman! There's diapers to change and the snowmobiles need cleaning.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is all about Wall Street and not Main Street.Is that you , Sarah Palin ?
Stop posting on slashdot , and get back home , woman !
There 's diapers to change and the snowmobiles need cleaning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is all about Wall Street and not Main Street.Is that you, Sarah Palin?
Stop posting on slashdot, and get back home, woman!
There's diapers to change and the snowmobiles need cleaning.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189177</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189357</id>
	<title>Goodriddance</title>
	<author>Trogre</author>
	<datestamp>1243944120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's about all I can say for the abomination that the Hummer became.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's about all I can say for the abomination that the Hummer became .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's about all I can say for the abomination that the Hummer became.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190329</id>
	<title>Re:Heads aspode</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243950420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, you are a real american hero!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , you are a real american hero !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, you are a real american hero!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189307</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192439</id>
	<title>Let 'em have it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243970760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Hummer (all models) is possibly Detroits biggest source of embarrassment since the Edsel.</p><p>The only people who buy them are ass-hats.  They suck as an off-road vehicle, and they suck worse as an on-road vehicle.</p><p>Hey, GM, take the capital injection and blow it on another severance package !</p><p>America, F&amp;$K Yeah !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Hummer ( all models ) is possibly Detroits biggest source of embarrassment since the Edsel.The only people who buy them are ass-hats .
They suck as an off-road vehicle , and they suck worse as an on-road vehicle.Hey , GM , take the capital injection and blow it on another severance package ! America , F&amp; $ K Yeah !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Hummer (all models) is possibly Detroits biggest source of embarrassment since the Edsel.The only people who buy them are ass-hats.
They suck as an off-road vehicle, and they suck worse as an on-road vehicle.Hey, GM, take the capital injection and blow it on another severance package !America, F&amp;$K Yeah !</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189549</id>
	<title>So....</title>
	<author>ak\_hepcat</author>
	<datestamp>1243945200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who gets the happy ending now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who gets the happy ending now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who gets the happy ending now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28200247</id>
	<title>Re:An excellent company name</title>
	<author>10Ghz</author>
	<datestamp>1244019660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I see a H2 and think soccer mom in a 4x4 rather than military.</p></div><p>If the original ones makes you think of the military (they were meant for the military after all), why on Earth would normal consumers need or want to drive one? When you see your SUV-driving neighbour, does he remind you of a veteran or a soldier, or just another Joe Sixpack?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I see a H2 and think soccer mom in a 4x4 rather than military.If the original ones makes you think of the military ( they were meant for the military after all ) , why on Earth would normal consumers need or want to drive one ?
When you see your SUV-driving neighbour , does he remind you of a veteran or a soldier , or just another Joe Sixpack ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I see a H2 and think soccer mom in a 4x4 rather than military.If the original ones makes you think of the military (they were meant for the military after all), why on Earth would normal consumers need or want to drive one?
When you see your SUV-driving neighbour, does he remind you of a veteran or a soldier, or just another Joe Sixpack?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190355</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189203</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it's just me...</title>
	<author>royallthefourth</author>
	<datestamp>1243943400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not news for nerds, but it is stuff that matters (to Americans). Things like Hummers make it hard to show pride in my country. At least now we can legitimately shift a bit of the blame on someone else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not news for nerds , but it is stuff that matters ( to Americans ) .
Things like Hummers make it hard to show pride in my country .
At least now we can legitimately shift a bit of the blame on someone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not news for nerds, but it is stuff that matters (to Americans).
Things like Hummers make it hard to show pride in my country.
At least now we can legitimately shift a bit of the blame on someone else.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189119</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190259</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Fulcrum of Evil</author>
	<datestamp>1243949880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>even what American's fondly call beer.</p></div><p>I'll have you know, America produce quite a bit of very good beer. Show up in seattle and I'll introduce you to some.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>even what American 's fondly call beer.I 'll have you know , America produce quite a bit of very good beer .
Show up in seattle and I 'll introduce you to some .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>even what American's fondly call beer.I'll have you know, America produce quite a bit of very good beer.
Show up in seattle and I'll introduce you to some.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189437</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189287</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243943820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a license deal along with the distribution, dealer support network and trademark/design rights for civilian vehicles.</p><p>AM General corporation [www.amgeneral.com], a privately held company, builds the HMMWV and other military vehicles [LSSV], as well as the H2 under contract to GM.</p><p>GM builds the H3 in Louisiana with a plant developed in conjunction with Isuzu.</p><p>The deal partners AM General with Sichuan providing the financing for future models and expanding sales overseas.</p><p>AM General is not being sold.</p><p>I'm a h1 owner [98 diesel HMCO] and it's a common misconception for a long time that GM builds the hummer/humvee when in reality they contract it out. The H3 is the only product that GM mades directly.</p><p>That being said, they stated in the dealer memo that went out today, they were planning on focusing on the future hx/h3 lines including a non crew cab version of the H3T as well as diesel versions.</p><p>That being said, I'm surprised it's mentioned on Slashdot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a license deal along with the distribution , dealer support network and trademark/design rights for civilian vehicles.AM General corporation [ www.amgeneral.com ] , a privately held company , builds the HMMWV and other military vehicles [ LSSV ] , as well as the H2 under contract to GM.GM builds the H3 in Louisiana with a plant developed in conjunction with Isuzu.The deal partners AM General with Sichuan providing the financing for future models and expanding sales overseas.AM General is not being sold.I 'm a h1 owner [ 98 diesel HMCO ] and it 's a common misconception for a long time that GM builds the hummer/humvee when in reality they contract it out .
The H3 is the only product that GM mades directly.That being said , they stated in the dealer memo that went out today , they were planning on focusing on the future hx/h3 lines including a non crew cab version of the H3T as well as diesel versions.That being said , I 'm surprised it 's mentioned on Slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a license deal along with the distribution, dealer support network and trademark/design rights for civilian vehicles.AM General corporation [www.amgeneral.com], a privately held company, builds the HMMWV and other military vehicles [LSSV], as well as the H2 under contract to GM.GM builds the H3 in Louisiana with a plant developed in conjunction with Isuzu.The deal partners AM General with Sichuan providing the financing for future models and expanding sales overseas.AM General is not being sold.I'm a h1 owner [98 diesel HMCO] and it's a common misconception for a long time that GM builds the hummer/humvee when in reality they contract it out.
The H3 is the only product that GM mades directly.That being said, they stated in the dealer memo that went out today, they were planning on focusing on the future hx/h3 lines including a non crew cab version of the H3T as well as diesel versions.That being said, I'm surprised it's mentioned on Slashdot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189103</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189119</id>
	<title>Maybe it's just me...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243942980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>... but news for nerds? I'm not seeing it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... but news for nerds ?
I 'm not seeing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but news for nerds?
I'm not seeing it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189081</id>
	<title>An excellent company name</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243942860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well if any company was to own the Hummer brand, it should have a name including "Heavy Industrial Machinery Co." in it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if any company was to own the Hummer brand , it should have a name including " Heavy Industrial Machinery Co. " in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if any company was to own the Hummer brand, it should have a name including "Heavy Industrial Machinery Co." in it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190493</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243951740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>H2 = GMC Jimmy AKA Chevy Tahoe chassis<br>H3 = GMC Envoy AKA Chevy Trailblazer chassis</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>H2 = GMC Jimmy AKA Chevy Tahoe chassisH3 = GMC Envoy AKA Chevy Trailblazer chassis</tokentext>
<sentencetext>H2 = GMC Jimmy AKA Chevy Tahoe chassisH3 = GMC Envoy AKA Chevy Trailblazer chassis</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189527</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189909</id>
	<title>Re:EV-1</title>
	<author>mobby\_6kl</author>
	<datestamp>1243947480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they had been making the EV-1 instead of the Hummers all this time, they would have probably gone bankrupt ten years ago. So... no.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they had been making the EV-1 instead of the Hummers all this time , they would have probably gone bankrupt ten years ago .
So... no .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they had been making the EV-1 instead of the Hummers all this time, they would have probably gone bankrupt ten years ago.
So... no.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189557</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28196349</id>
	<title>H2 H3</title>
	<author>Capt.DrumkenBum</author>
	<datestamp>1244046300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think what you mean to say was "<b>The H2 and H3 were abominations</b> that should have never been built."<br>
As a semi-serious 4x4 guy I have driven just about every 4x4 out there. The original H1 (Not the military one.) was a pretty good off road vehicle. Not great. There is not a truly great 4x4 on the market right now. If someone puts one out that is simple, robust, and customizable, they will find a substantial market waiting for them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think what you mean to say was " The H2 and H3 were abominations that should have never been built .
" As a semi-serious 4x4 guy I have driven just about every 4x4 out there .
The original H1 ( Not the military one .
) was a pretty good off road vehicle .
Not great .
There is not a truly great 4x4 on the market right now .
If someone puts one out that is simple , robust , and customizable , they will find a substantial market waiting for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think what you mean to say was "The H2 and H3 were abominations that should have never been built.
"
As a semi-serious 4x4 guy I have driven just about every 4x4 out there.
The original H1 (Not the military one.
) was a pretty good off road vehicle.
Not great.
There is not a truly great 4x4 on the market right now.
If someone puts one out that is simple, robust, and customizable, they will find a substantial market waiting for them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189209</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28197873</id>
	<title>Re:An excellent company name</title>
	<author>inode\_buddha</author>
	<datestamp>1244052420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There never was much "heavy Industrial Machinery" in them. I'm not saying that to be an asshat. I've worked on caterpillars, drove big trucks, and owned a few 1970's Chevy and GMC's. And in my neck of the woods (northeast US) you really do need 4x4 and good rubber.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There never was much " heavy Industrial Machinery " in them .
I 'm not saying that to be an asshat .
I 've worked on caterpillars , drove big trucks , and owned a few 1970 's Chevy and GMC 's .
And in my neck of the woods ( northeast US ) you really do need 4x4 and good rubber .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There never was much "heavy Industrial Machinery" in them.
I'm not saying that to be an asshat.
I've worked on caterpillars, drove big trucks, and owned a few 1970's Chevy and GMC's.
And in my neck of the woods (northeast US) you really do need 4x4 and good rubber.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190355</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189195</id>
	<title>Suburban wives nonplussed</title>
	<author>bzzfzz</author>
	<datestamp>1243943400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The demographic segment that characterizes their customer base is already accustomed to buying Chinese-made products from clothing to blow molded lawn ornaments.  </p><p>
In other news, somebody in China thinks the price of oil is headed down.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The demographic segment that characterizes their customer base is already accustomed to buying Chinese-made products from clothing to blow molded lawn ornaments .
In other news , somebody in China thinks the price of oil is headed down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The demographic segment that characterizes their customer base is already accustomed to buying Chinese-made products from clothing to blow molded lawn ornaments.
In other news, somebody in China thinks the price of oil is headed down.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189577</id>
	<title>Re:Are they going to still be sold here?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243945440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The irony is, with less profitable dealerships comes less exposure, and less people buying GM in the long term, which will lead to less dealerships......</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The irony is , with less profitable dealerships comes less exposure , and less people buying GM in the long term , which will lead to less dealerships..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The irony is, with less profitable dealerships comes less exposure, and less people buying GM in the long term, which will lead to less dealerships......</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189311</id>
	<title>[Insert Small-Asian-Penis Joke Here]</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243943940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just kinda writes itself, really.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just kinda writes itself , really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just kinda writes itself, really.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28194879</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it's just me...</title>
	<author>conejo especial</author>
	<datestamp>1244039940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>... but news for nerds? I'm not seeing it.</p></div></blockquote><p>Call me naive, but as I see it the interesting part of this community is the community response - opinion, insight, bullshit, etc. The "news" is less interesting than what people have to say about it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... but news for nerds ?
I 'm not seeing it.Call me naive , but as I see it the interesting part of this community is the community response - opinion , insight , bullshit , etc .
The " news " is less interesting than what people have to say about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but news for nerds?
I'm not seeing it.Call me naive, but as I see it the interesting part of this community is the community response - opinion, insight, bullshit, etc.
The "news" is less interesting than what people have to say about it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190545</id>
	<title>Re:Are they going to still be sold here?</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1243952220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>SAAB has a history of real safety.  Many consumers have not been traditionally very concerned about the reliability problem.  SAAB does not really down sell.
<p>
Hummer is simply an effecient way to kill families of four in smaller cars, as well as slowly killing the rest of us.  Hummer does down sell, as with the H3.  The H1 was a special vehicle in that it was large enough to not have follow pollution control standards that most cars do have to follow.  Everyone complians about pollution control standards, but think about.  You have toilet in your house, don't you?  And pay plumbers.  I mean, you don't have to have this expense.  You could just crap in your neighbors yard, but you don't.  And yet somehow we complain about catalytic converters and the cost of the emission control systems.
</p><p>
The H1 was special in another way.  It was big enough to be taken off taxes in one big swoop, not over time.  Need to reduce you tax liability.  But an h1.  Take it off your bogus lawnmower or antique bussinesss.  The taxpayer has now bought you a car.
</p><p>
Again the problem with Hummer is that it was actively sold to people who could not really afford it.  The economy allowed those people to buy it, and pay for gas, but now the magic house bank account is gone.  Reports from everywhere say no one is buying these.
</p><p>
The good news is the chinese restrictions on cars to do apply to foreign made vehicles, so Hummer is likely not going to made in china.  But the chinese do not have to pay the executive salaries that have been the main means of killin the car company, and can control costs in other ways, so they may be able to sell enough of these vehicles to turn a profit.  No possible with American car companies who seem to think they are in the real estate business rather than the car business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SAAB has a history of real safety .
Many consumers have not been traditionally very concerned about the reliability problem .
SAAB does not really down sell .
Hummer is simply an effecient way to kill families of four in smaller cars , as well as slowly killing the rest of us .
Hummer does down sell , as with the H3 .
The H1 was a special vehicle in that it was large enough to not have follow pollution control standards that most cars do have to follow .
Everyone complians about pollution control standards , but think about .
You have toilet in your house , do n't you ?
And pay plumbers .
I mean , you do n't have to have this expense .
You could just crap in your neighbors yard , but you do n't .
And yet somehow we complain about catalytic converters and the cost of the emission control systems .
The H1 was special in another way .
It was big enough to be taken off taxes in one big swoop , not over time .
Need to reduce you tax liability .
But an h1 .
Take it off your bogus lawnmower or antique bussinesss .
The taxpayer has now bought you a car .
Again the problem with Hummer is that it was actively sold to people who could not really afford it .
The economy allowed those people to buy it , and pay for gas , but now the magic house bank account is gone .
Reports from everywhere say no one is buying these .
The good news is the chinese restrictions on cars to do apply to foreign made vehicles , so Hummer is likely not going to made in china .
But the chinese do not have to pay the executive salaries that have been the main means of killin the car company , and can control costs in other ways , so they may be able to sell enough of these vehicles to turn a profit .
No possible with American car companies who seem to think they are in the real estate business rather than the car business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SAAB has a history of real safety.
Many consumers have not been traditionally very concerned about the reliability problem.
SAAB does not really down sell.
Hummer is simply an effecient way to kill families of four in smaller cars, as well as slowly killing the rest of us.
Hummer does down sell, as with the H3.
The H1 was a special vehicle in that it was large enough to not have follow pollution control standards that most cars do have to follow.
Everyone complians about pollution control standards, but think about.
You have toilet in your house, don't you?
And pay plumbers.
I mean, you don't have to have this expense.
You could just crap in your neighbors yard, but you don't.
And yet somehow we complain about catalytic converters and the cost of the emission control systems.
The H1 was special in another way.
It was big enough to be taken off taxes in one big swoop, not over time.
Need to reduce you tax liability.
But an h1.
Take it off your bogus lawnmower or antique bussinesss.
The taxpayer has now bought you a car.
Again the problem with Hummer is that it was actively sold to people who could not really afford it.
The economy allowed those people to buy it, and pay for gas, but now the magic house bank account is gone.
Reports from everywhere say no one is buying these.
The good news is the chinese restrictions on cars to do apply to foreign made vehicles, so Hummer is likely not going to made in china.
But the chinese do not have to pay the executive salaries that have been the main means of killin the car company, and can control costs in other ways, so they may be able to sell enough of these vehicles to turn a profit.
No possible with American car companies who seem to think they are in the real estate business rather than the car business.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189527</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Brett Buck</author>
	<datestamp>1243945140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The H2 and H2 are HMMV-styled bodies on standard GMC truck frames and running gear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The H2 and H2 are HMMV-styled bodies on standard GMC truck frames and running gear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The H2 and H2 are HMMV-styled bodies on standard GMC truck frames and running gear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189255</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>johndiii</author>
	<datestamp>1243943700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, the HumVees were the originals.  A Hummer is just a big, heavy HumVee-style body on an SUV chassis.  At least, that's what they are now.  The H1 was closer to the military version.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer" title="wikipedia.org">Hummer on Wikipedia</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the HumVees were the originals .
A Hummer is just a big , heavy HumVee-style body on an SUV chassis .
At least , that 's what they are now .
The H1 was closer to the military version .
Hummer on Wikipedia [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the HumVees were the originals.
A Hummer is just a big, heavy HumVee-style body on an SUV chassis.
At least, that's what they are now.
The H1 was closer to the military version.
Hummer on Wikipedia [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190993</id>
	<title>Re:Swings and roundabouts . . .</title>
	<author>ChrisMaple</author>
	<datestamp>1243956000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Save Jobs, Fuck The Planet!</p></div></blockquote><p>
Jobs are what people use to earn a living, to keep themselves alive without stealing. Apparently you object to this.<br>
Only rich countries can afford to be concerned about the "environment". Others are more concerned about staying alive, regardless of the cosequences.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Save Jobs , Fuck The Planet !
Jobs are what people use to earn a living , to keep themselves alive without stealing .
Apparently you object to this .
Only rich countries can afford to be concerned about the " environment " .
Others are more concerned about staying alive , regardless of the cosequences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Save Jobs, Fuck The Planet!
Jobs are what people use to earn a living, to keep themselves alive without stealing.
Apparently you object to this.
Only rich countries can afford to be concerned about the "environment".
Others are more concerned about staying alive, regardless of the cosequences.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189993</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1243948020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about the H2?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about the H2 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about the H2?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189209</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243943460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Are they simply licensing the brand and making completely different vehicles to Military Specs?</p></div></blockquote><p>From what I'm told, <a href="http://www.amgeneral.com/vehicles/hmmwv/" title="amgeneral.com">AM General</a> [amgeneral.com] makes the HumVee, which for the original Hummer, was sold to GM as-is (well, a stripped down version anyhow). GM then painted them, added luxuries and such and then sold them to the public. That's why the H2 and H3 were so different compared to the original H1 - GM does not own the design of the H1 at all - they merely resold the hardware after some modifications. The H2 and H3 were original GM designs.</p><p>So no, the Chinese are not getting military information out of it, other than perhaps how to add leather seats and cupholders to an existing H1.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are they simply licensing the brand and making completely different vehicles to Military Specs ? From what I 'm told , AM General [ amgeneral.com ] makes the HumVee , which for the original Hummer , was sold to GM as-is ( well , a stripped down version anyhow ) .
GM then painted them , added luxuries and such and then sold them to the public .
That 's why the H2 and H3 were so different compared to the original H1 - GM does not own the design of the H1 at all - they merely resold the hardware after some modifications .
The H2 and H3 were original GM designs.So no , the Chinese are not getting military information out of it , other than perhaps how to add leather seats and cupholders to an existing H1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are they simply licensing the brand and making completely different vehicles to Military Specs?From what I'm told, AM General [amgeneral.com] makes the HumVee, which for the original Hummer, was sold to GM as-is (well, a stripped down version anyhow).
GM then painted them, added luxuries and such and then sold them to the public.
That's why the H2 and H3 were so different compared to the original H1 - GM does not own the design of the H1 at all - they merely resold the hardware after some modifications.
The H2 and H3 were original GM designs.So no, the Chinese are not getting military information out of it, other than perhaps how to add leather seats and cupholders to an existing H1.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28194909</id>
	<title>Re:Yay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244040060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as they don't close their damn seaport every time someone coughs in Brazil...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as they do n't close their damn seaport every time someone coughs in Brazil.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as they don't close their damn seaport every time someone coughs in Brazil...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189219</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243943520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The military (humvee) units are manufactured by AM General in Indiana.  They sold the brand name to GM, who's now reselling it.  The vehicles are built in Louisiana (?) (for the US) and South Africa (worldwide exports).  Those plants will continue manufacturing them for at least another year.  Maybe not the US one... I think most people who would buy a hummer would refuse to buy a chi-com hummer.
</p><p>
Anyhow, it's basically a name and a grill design.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The military ( humvee ) units are manufactured by AM General in Indiana .
They sold the brand name to GM , who 's now reselling it .
The vehicles are built in Louisiana ( ?
) ( for the US ) and South Africa ( worldwide exports ) .
Those plants will continue manufacturing them for at least another year .
Maybe not the US one... I think most people who would buy a hummer would refuse to buy a chi-com hummer .
Anyhow , it 's basically a name and a grill design .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The military (humvee) units are manufactured by AM General in Indiana.
They sold the brand name to GM, who's now reselling it.
The vehicles are built in Louisiana (?
) (for the US) and South Africa (worldwide exports).
Those plants will continue manufacturing them for at least another year.
Maybe not the US one... I think most people who would buy a hummer would refuse to buy a chi-com hummer.
Anyhow, it's basically a name and a grill design.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28197671</id>
	<title>US finally using head!</title>
	<author>MasTRE</author>
	<datestamp>1244051640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Outsourcing pollution = smart.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Outsourcing pollution = smart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Outsourcing pollution = smart.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28195587</id>
	<title>Technically</title>
	<author>Amazing Quantum Man</author>
	<datestamp>1244043120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The military version is not a "HumVee", but a HMMWV (High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicle).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The military version is not a " HumVee " , but a HMMWV ( High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicle ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The military version is not a "HumVee", but a HMMWV (High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicle).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190417</id>
	<title>Re:The missing part?</title>
	<author>Brian Gordon</author>
	<datestamp>1243951020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>What does GM China making sales in China have to do with the army riding jeeps?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What does GM China making sales in China have to do with the army riding jeeps ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does GM China making sales in China have to do with the army riding jeeps?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189177</id>
	<title>Are they going to still be sold here?</title>
	<author>Shivetya</author>
	<datestamp>1243943280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if anyone will buy Saab now, it has had worse sales than Hummer for a long time.</p><p><a href="http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/02/by-the-numbers-may-2009-gm-and-ford-surprise-edition/" title="autoblog.com">http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/02/by-the-numbers-may-2009-gm-and-ford-surprise-edition/</a> [autoblog.com]</p><p>The above link has some sales data.</p><p>The real problem isn't that Hummer is sold, it is that the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler have both been shoved down the companies and investor's throats.  So they will trot out that they saved 3,000 or so jobs.  What about the 100,000 plus jobs lost when all the dealerships are being forced to close, even ones who make a profit?  A considerable number, if not the majority, of dealerships being punted are profitable.</p><p>This is all about Wall Street and not Main Street.  The people tasked with doing these close outs and sales are all Wall Street regulars.  If Wall Street had been held to the same standards as Detroit the change might have been something I could believe in.  Instead communities are going to face real problems when dealerships close.  Yeah, 3000 jobs is nice but it is a nickle on a Cadillac in terms of loss/gain.  In other words, who the flip cares?</p><p>Hummer.  Funny thing is they will survive in the real world and not the alternate reality world the US has become.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if anyone will buy Saab now , it has had worse sales than Hummer for a long time.http : //www.autoblog.com/2009/06/02/by-the-numbers-may-2009-gm-and-ford-surprise-edition/ [ autoblog.com ] The above link has some sales data.The real problem is n't that Hummer is sold , it is that the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler have both been shoved down the companies and investor 's throats .
So they will trot out that they saved 3,000 or so jobs .
What about the 100,000 plus jobs lost when all the dealerships are being forced to close , even ones who make a profit ?
A considerable number , if not the majority , of dealerships being punted are profitable.This is all about Wall Street and not Main Street .
The people tasked with doing these close outs and sales are all Wall Street regulars .
If Wall Street had been held to the same standards as Detroit the change might have been something I could believe in .
Instead communities are going to face real problems when dealerships close .
Yeah , 3000 jobs is nice but it is a nickle on a Cadillac in terms of loss/gain .
In other words , who the flip cares ? Hummer .
Funny thing is they will survive in the real world and not the alternate reality world the US has become .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if anyone will buy Saab now, it has had worse sales than Hummer for a long time.http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/02/by-the-numbers-may-2009-gm-and-ford-surprise-edition/ [autoblog.com]The above link has some sales data.The real problem isn't that Hummer is sold, it is that the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler have both been shoved down the companies and investor's throats.
So they will trot out that they saved 3,000 or so jobs.
What about the 100,000 plus jobs lost when all the dealerships are being forced to close, even ones who make a profit?
A considerable number, if not the majority, of dealerships being punted are profitable.This is all about Wall Street and not Main Street.
The people tasked with doing these close outs and sales are all Wall Street regulars.
If Wall Street had been held to the same standards as Detroit the change might have been something I could believe in.
Instead communities are going to face real problems when dealerships close.
Yeah, 3000 jobs is nice but it is a nickle on a Cadillac in terms of loss/gain.
In other words, who the flip cares?Hummer.
Funny thing is they will survive in the real world and not the alternate reality world the US has become.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28195005</id>
	<title>The new 2011 Hummer</title>
	<author>EEGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1244040480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The new 2011 Hummer now comes with happy ending!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The new 2011 Hummer now comes with happy ending !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The new 2011 Hummer now comes with happy ending!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192491</id>
	<title>Re:The missing part?</title>
	<author>iroll</author>
	<datestamp>1243971240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was probably deleted because it's misleading and completely uninformative.</p><p>"Hummer" is a badge that was created by GM and AM General for civilian HMMWVs (which are made by AM General).  It was used for some GM-designed trucks that AM General built.</p><p>Selling the "Hummer" badge doesn't mean a damned thing to GM China or to the US Army.  AM General is completely independent of GM.  It would be nice if somebody would explain their relationship to the newly divorced Hummer, but that "missing paragraph" was nothing but fluff and nonsense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was probably deleted because it 's misleading and completely uninformative .
" Hummer " is a badge that was created by GM and AM General for civilian HMMWVs ( which are made by AM General ) .
It was used for some GM-designed trucks that AM General built.Selling the " Hummer " badge does n't mean a damned thing to GM China or to the US Army .
AM General is completely independent of GM .
It would be nice if somebody would explain their relationship to the newly divorced Hummer , but that " missing paragraph " was nothing but fluff and nonsense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was probably deleted because it's misleading and completely uninformative.
"Hummer" is a badge that was created by GM and AM General for civilian HMMWVs (which are made by AM General).
It was used for some GM-designed trucks that AM General built.Selling the "Hummer" badge doesn't mean a damned thing to GM China or to the US Army.
AM General is completely independent of GM.
It would be nice if somebody would explain their relationship to the newly divorced Hummer, but that "missing paragraph" was nothing but fluff and nonsense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189627</id>
	<title>Heavy Machinery?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243945740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My sympathies to the sweatshop kids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My sympathies to the sweatshop kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My sympathies to the sweatshop kids.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28196371</id>
	<title>Re:Are they going to still be sold here?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244046420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler have both been shoved down the companies and investor's throats.</p></div><p>You make the bed, you sleep in it.  GM and Chrysler have been terrible companies in so many ways, I find it surprising they lasted as long as they did.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler have both been shoved down the companies and investor 's throats.You make the bed , you sleep in it .
GM and Chrysler have been terrible companies in so many ways , I find it surprising they lasted as long as they did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler have both been shoved down the companies and investor's throats.You make the bed, you sleep in it.
GM and Chrysler have been terrible companies in so many ways, I find it surprising they lasted as long as they did.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189177</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191069</id>
	<title>Re:Are they going to still be sold here?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>GM has been under public and governmental pressure to make a small domestic car for decades. Previous attempts (Corvair, Vega) were expensive failures. The Saturn is a huge effort to make a financially successful small car, and once again it is destroyed by expenses caused by unions. The car is reasonably reliable compared to the competition, even if not up to Toyota standards.</htmltext>
<tokenext>GM has been under public and governmental pressure to make a small domestic car for decades .
Previous attempts ( Corvair , Vega ) were expensive failures .
The Saturn is a huge effort to make a financially successful small car , and once again it is destroyed by expenses caused by unions .
The car is reasonably reliable compared to the competition , even if not up to Toyota standards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GM has been under public and governmental pressure to make a small domestic car for decades.
Previous attempts (Corvair, Vega) were expensive failures.
The Saturn is a huge effort to make a financially successful small car, and once again it is destroyed by expenses caused by unions.
The car is reasonably reliable compared to the competition, even if not up to Toyota standards.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189497</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190649</id>
	<title>Re:EV-1</title>
	<author>joggle</author>
	<datestamp>1243953300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not if they followed the Toyota model. Toyota initially lost money on the Prius but over time were able to lower production costs to the point that not only could they produce them at a profit but could not make them fast enough to meet demand (at least not up until the recession that hit).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not if they followed the Toyota model .
Toyota initially lost money on the Prius but over time were able to lower production costs to the point that not only could they produce them at a profit but could not make them fast enough to meet demand ( at least not up until the recession that hit ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not if they followed the Toyota model.
Toyota initially lost money on the Prius but over time were able to lower production costs to the point that not only could they produce them at a profit but could not make them fast enough to meet demand (at least not up until the recession that hit).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189909</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189315</id>
	<title>Re:Suburban wives nonplussed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243943940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Alternately someone in China thinks the civilian model may be a good platform to build military spec Chinese vehicles....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alternately someone in China thinks the civilian model may be a good platform to build military spec Chinese vehicles... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alternately someone in China thinks the civilian model may be a good platform to build military spec Chinese vehicles....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190355</id>
	<title>Re:An excellent company name</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243950540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does that take into account that the new hummers are nothing like the old ones? I see a H2 and think soccer mom in a 4x4 rather than military. Not much of a "Heavy Industrial Machinery Co." left in them now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does that take into account that the new hummers are nothing like the old ones ?
I see a H2 and think soccer mom in a 4x4 rather than military .
Not much of a " Heavy Industrial Machinery Co. " left in them now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does that take into account that the new hummers are nothing like the old ones?
I see a H2 and think soccer mom in a 4x4 rather than military.
Not much of a "Heavy Industrial Machinery Co." left in them now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189081</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189293</id>
	<title>Re:Yay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243943820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like them in the backseat.   I also like them while driving,  although that is very dangerous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like them in the backseat .
I also like them while driving , although that is very dangerous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like them in the backseat.
I also like them while driving,  although that is very dangerous.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189083</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28194509</id>
	<title>Not-so-happy Ending</title>
	<author>Joebert</author>
	<datestamp>1244038260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aw come on man !<br> <br>

I already have a tough time explaining why I go to the Chinese massage parlor !</htmltext>
<tokenext>Aw come on man !
I already have a tough time explaining why I go to the Chinese massage parlor !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aw come on man !
I already have a tough time explaining why I go to the Chinese massage parlor !</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190999</id>
	<title>Re:The missing part?</title>
	<author>Rik Rohl</author>
	<datestamp>1243956000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why is it edited away? Is / . censoring our post, because the news of american company doing well in China does not fit the site's editorial agenda?</p></div></blockquote><p> Look who posted the story.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it edited away ?
Is / .
censoring our post , because the news of american company doing well in China does not fit the site 's editorial agenda ?
Look who posted the story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it edited away?
Is / .
censoring our post, because the news of american company doing well in China does not fit the site's editorial agenda?
Look who posted the story.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189891</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190033</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it's just me...</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1243948260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never met a nerd who wasn't interested in Chinese hummers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never met a nerd who was n't interested in Chinese hummers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never met a nerd who wasn't interested in Chinese hummers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189119</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189485</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243944840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The H1 is the one that is based on the military model and shares many of the same parts.  It was made by AM General (the builder of the military HMMWV) who sold the marketing and distribution off the GM.  They stopped making the H1s in 2006.</p><p>GM then designed the H2 and contracted AM General to build it.</p><p>The H3 is all GM.</p><p>Aside from the price tag, the H2 and H3 aren't based on military vehicles.</p><p>Aside from the price tag, H2 and H3 aren't based off of the military at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The H1 is the one that is based on the military model and shares many of the same parts .
It was made by AM General ( the builder of the military HMMWV ) who sold the marketing and distribution off the GM .
They stopped making the H1s in 2006.GM then designed the H2 and contracted AM General to build it.The H3 is all GM.Aside from the price tag , the H2 and H3 are n't based on military vehicles.Aside from the price tag , H2 and H3 are n't based off of the military at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The H1 is the one that is based on the military model and shares many of the same parts.
It was made by AM General (the builder of the military HMMWV) who sold the marketing and distribution off the GM.
They stopped making the H1s in 2006.GM then designed the H2 and contracted AM General to build it.The H3 is all GM.Aside from the price tag, the H2 and H3 aren't based on military vehicles.Aside from the price tag, H2 and H3 aren't based off of the military at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189103</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189585</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Neanderthal Ninny</author>
	<datestamp>1243945500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AM General licensed the manufacture of civilian version of the Hummer to GM. The Hummer you buy is actually a Suburban with a HMMWV shaped body on top. AM General High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle -M998 Truck has different design specs for the military vehicle. Here is some history about this:<br><a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/hmmwv-hummer.htm" title="globalsecurity.org">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/hmmwv-hummer.htm</a> [globalsecurity.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AM General licensed the manufacture of civilian version of the Hummer to GM .
The Hummer you buy is actually a Suburban with a HMMWV shaped body on top .
AM General High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle -M998 Truck has different design specs for the military vehicle .
Here is some history about this : http : //www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/hmmwv-hummer.htm [ globalsecurity.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AM General licensed the manufacture of civilian version of the Hummer to GM.
The Hummer you buy is actually a Suburban with a HMMWV shaped body on top.
AM General High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle -M998 Truck has different design specs for the military vehicle.
Here is some history about this:http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/hmmwv-hummer.htm [globalsecurity.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189103</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190847</id>
	<title>Re:EV-1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243954500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GM claims each EV-1 costed $400,000 to make and that developing it in the first place cost them 1 Billion dollars, I don't buy it.<br>How in the hell can copper wire spooled around a couple of magnets, with 200$ of Chinese made electronics and a couple of battery's<br>in a smaller then chevy cavalier vehicle cost $400,000 to make and a Billion dollars to develop. Ohh right I forgot the executive pay could<br>easily cover the entire Billion dollar development bill by it self.</p><p>whoever tells you that electric cars cost alot to make is an idiot. The only part that is expensive is the battery's, and that is because<br>Chevron owns Ovonic the holder of several important NIMH battery patents, note however those patents run out in 2011. If I can convert a chevy S-10<br>truck to electricity for a few thousand dollars you bet that GM could manufacture new electric cars for retail prices under 20 grand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GM claims each EV-1 costed $ 400,000 to make and that developing it in the first place cost them 1 Billion dollars , I do n't buy it.How in the hell can copper wire spooled around a couple of magnets , with 200 $ of Chinese made electronics and a couple of battery'sin a smaller then chevy cavalier vehicle cost $ 400,000 to make and a Billion dollars to develop .
Ohh right I forgot the executive pay couldeasily cover the entire Billion dollar development bill by it self.whoever tells you that electric cars cost alot to make is an idiot .
The only part that is expensive is the battery 's , and that is becauseChevron owns Ovonic the holder of several important NIMH battery patents , note however those patents run out in 2011 .
If I can convert a chevy S-10truck to electricity for a few thousand dollars you bet that GM could manufacture new electric cars for retail prices under 20 grand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GM claims each EV-1 costed $400,000 to make and that developing it in the first place cost them 1 Billion dollars, I don't buy it.How in the hell can copper wire spooled around a couple of magnets, with 200$ of Chinese made electronics and a couple of battery'sin a smaller then chevy cavalier vehicle cost $400,000 to make and a Billion dollars to develop.
Ohh right I forgot the executive pay couldeasily cover the entire Billion dollar development bill by it self.whoever tells you that electric cars cost alot to make is an idiot.
The only part that is expensive is the battery's, and that is becauseChevron owns Ovonic the holder of several important NIMH battery patents, note however those patents run out in 2011.
If I can convert a chevy S-10truck to electricity for a few thousand dollars you bet that GM could manufacture new electric cars for retail prices under 20 grand.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189909</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189609</id>
	<title>Slashdot: STOP CENSORING my post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243945680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As the original Anoymous poster of the entry, I must obligate to point out the important part of my post was DELETED by the editor:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Before you worry about soldiers of US army and marines riding on Chinese made jeeps, you should also note that GM China has made recorded sales in China, despite of its parent's woe in the US. I personally did notice quite a lot more Buick's running in the city of Shenzhen than on the streets of California. When I was over there, I owned a Buick myself which was made in China but with US-made engines and transmissions; whereas i own a Japanese car here in California. Strange world.</p></div><p>GM's cars are among the top seller over there. </p><p>Maybe you don't like to hear US company ``succeed'' in China, but don't censor our posts!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As the original Anoymous poster of the entry , I must obligate to point out the important part of my post was DELETED by the editor : Before you worry about soldiers of US army and marines riding on Chinese made jeeps , you should also note that GM China has made recorded sales in China , despite of its parent 's woe in the US .
I personally did notice quite a lot more Buick 's running in the city of Shenzhen than on the streets of California .
When I was over there , I owned a Buick myself which was made in China but with US-made engines and transmissions ; whereas i own a Japanese car here in California .
Strange world.GM 's cars are among the top seller over there .
Maybe you do n't like to hear US company ` ` succeed' ' in China , but do n't censor our posts !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the original Anoymous poster of the entry, I must obligate to point out the important part of my post was DELETED by the editor:Before you worry about soldiers of US army and marines riding on Chinese made jeeps, you should also note that GM China has made recorded sales in China, despite of its parent's woe in the US.
I personally did notice quite a lot more Buick's running in the city of Shenzhen than on the streets of California.
When I was over there, I owned a Buick myself which was made in China but with US-made engines and transmissions; whereas i own a Japanese car here in California.
Strange world.GM's cars are among the top seller over there.
Maybe you don't like to hear US company ``succeed'' in China, but don't censor our posts!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191097</id>
	<title>Stalinist purge</title>
	<author>ChrisMaple</author>
	<datestamp>1243957260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Almost all the dealers being cut off are owned by Republicans. This is a clear act of political aggression by the Obama administration. We are on track to tyranny.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost all the dealers being cut off are owned by Republicans .
This is a clear act of political aggression by the Obama administration .
We are on track to tyranny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost all the dealers being cut off are owned by Republicans.
This is a clear act of political aggression by the Obama administration.
We are on track to tyranny.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189177</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189663</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it's just me...</title>
	<author>lothos</author>
	<datestamp>1243945980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want to see news for nerds, go to the firehose and vote up what you want to see.</p><p>I have a story in the firehose:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.org now signed for dnssec</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want to see news for nerds , go to the firehose and vote up what you want to see.I have a story in the firehose : .org now signed for dnssec</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want to see news for nerds, go to the firehose and vote up what you want to see.I have a story in the firehose: .org now signed for dnssec</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189119</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28193657</id>
	<title>Re:EV-1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244030100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, I love when people say GM should have made smaller cars. Like GEO Metros right? Yeah those sold so f'ing well. I think the thing people really don't understand about SUVs is the win span is HUGE. If you make a 14,000 dollar car it is going to cost you at least 8,000 dollars probably closer to 10,000. Yet a 40,000 dollar SUV costs about 16,000 to make maybe even less. And needs more maintenance. Also factor in competing with complains that have less over head then you do (Pensions, Labor cost, etc) and are perceived has having better quality. What would you do??? PHBs could even figure this one out. Remember, that Toyota and Honda along with many European Brands where kicking themselves in the butt over not having made big SUVs right about until the price of GAS sky rocketed. SUVs kept the American Auto companies alive well longer then would have been otherwise possible. Which was probably worse for all of us. Going bankrupt in a good economy is easier on everyone then in a bad economy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , I love when people say GM should have made smaller cars .
Like GEO Metros right ?
Yeah those sold so f'ing well .
I think the thing people really do n't understand about SUVs is the win span is HUGE .
If you make a 14,000 dollar car it is going to cost you at least 8,000 dollars probably closer to 10,000 .
Yet a 40,000 dollar SUV costs about 16,000 to make maybe even less .
And needs more maintenance .
Also factor in competing with complains that have less over head then you do ( Pensions , Labor cost , etc ) and are perceived has having better quality .
What would you do ? ? ?
PHBs could even figure this one out .
Remember , that Toyota and Honda along with many European Brands where kicking themselves in the butt over not having made big SUVs right about until the price of GAS sky rocketed .
SUVs kept the American Auto companies alive well longer then would have been otherwise possible .
Which was probably worse for all of us .
Going bankrupt in a good economy is easier on everyone then in a bad economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, I love when people say GM should have made smaller cars.
Like GEO Metros right?
Yeah those sold so f'ing well.
I think the thing people really don't understand about SUVs is the win span is HUGE.
If you make a 14,000 dollar car it is going to cost you at least 8,000 dollars probably closer to 10,000.
Yet a 40,000 dollar SUV costs about 16,000 to make maybe even less.
And needs more maintenance.
Also factor in competing with complains that have less over head then you do (Pensions, Labor cost, etc) and are perceived has having better quality.
What would you do???
PHBs could even figure this one out.
Remember, that Toyota and Honda along with many European Brands where kicking themselves in the butt over not having made big SUVs right about until the price of GAS sky rocketed.
SUVs kept the American Auto companies alive well longer then would have been otherwise possible.
Which was probably worse for all of us.
Going bankrupt in a good economy is easier on everyone then in a bad economy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189909</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192187</id>
	<title>Ok, now where's their hearing?</title>
	<author>sethstorm</author>
	<datestamp>1243967880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are national security implications in selling off that particular brand.</p><p>Never mind the entire bit about China being the eternally broken copier, creating junk wherever it goes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are national security implications in selling off that particular brand.Never mind the entire bit about China being the eternally broken copier , creating junk wherever it goes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are national security implications in selling off that particular brand.Never mind the entire bit about China being the eternally broken copier, creating junk wherever it goes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189307</id>
	<title>Heads aspode</title>
	<author>microcars</author>
	<datestamp>1243943880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>at the gas station in Wisconsin where I got "told" by a guy bitching about my Toyota.<br> <br>Despite the fact that my truck is built in Texas by Americans with 85\% US content apparently the "profits" all go back to "Japan" SO THERE! <i>(never mind Toyota being on the NYSE and the "profits" go to the shareholders...)</i> <br>I can't imagine what this guy will do now when a new Hummer - built in Louisiana by Americans, but owned by the Chinese - pulls up to the pump!<br> <br> I would love to be there when it happens though!  ack ack ack....</htmltext>
<tokenext>at the gas station in Wisconsin where I got " told " by a guy bitching about my Toyota .
Despite the fact that my truck is built in Texas by Americans with 85 \ % US content apparently the " profits " all go back to " Japan " SO THERE !
( never mind Toyota being on the NYSE and the " profits " go to the shareholders... ) I ca n't imagine what this guy will do now when a new Hummer - built in Louisiana by Americans , but owned by the Chinese - pulls up to the pump !
I would love to be there when it happens though !
ack ack ack... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at the gas station in Wisconsin where I got "told" by a guy bitching about my Toyota.
Despite the fact that my truck is built in Texas by Americans with 85\% US content apparently the "profits" all go back to "Japan" SO THERE!
(never mind Toyota being on the NYSE and the "profits" go to the shareholders...) I can't imagine what this guy will do now when a new Hummer - built in Louisiana by Americans, but owned by the Chinese - pulls up to the pump!
I would love to be there when it happens though!
ack ack ack....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189933</id>
	<title>Re:Yay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243947600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Chinese economy: Made in America.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chinese economy : Made in America .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chinese economy: Made in America.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189299</id>
	<title>Great news!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243943880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>My goal of getting a hummer from a cute Asian girl is that much closer to completion!</htmltext>
<tokenext>My goal of getting a hummer from a cute Asian girl is that much closer to completion !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My goal of getting a hummer from a cute Asian girl is that much closer to completion!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189083</id>
	<title>Yay</title>
	<author>Alethes</author>
	<datestamp>1243942860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love hummers, and I don't care if I get it from an American or a Chinese.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love hummers , and I do n't care if I get it from an American or a Chinese .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love hummers, and I don't care if I get it from an American or a Chinese.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190413</id>
	<title>Re:The missing part?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243951020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Why is it edited away? Is / . censoring our post, because the news of american company doing well in China does not fit the site's editorial agenda?</i> <br>
<br>
So now you're bitching that the EDITORS of slashdot are doing their fucking jobs for once and actually editing a submission?!? While the extra bit is mildly interesting, it really has no bearing on the point of the actual story/article itself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it edited away ?
Is / .
censoring our post , because the news of american company doing well in China does not fit the site 's editorial agenda ?
So now you 're bitching that the EDITORS of slashdot are doing their fucking jobs for once and actually editing a submission ? ! ?
While the extra bit is mildly interesting , it really has no bearing on the point of the actual story/article itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it edited away?
Is / .
censoring our post, because the news of american company doing well in China does not fit the site's editorial agenda?
So now you're bitching that the EDITORS of slashdot are doing their fucking jobs for once and actually editing a submission?!?
While the extra bit is mildly interesting, it really has no bearing on the point of the actual story/article itself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189873</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it's just me...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243947240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most nerds have little in the way of physical endowment, and therefore must compensate.<br>
&nbsp; <br>Hummers are the method of choice of compensating for small penises.<br>
&nbsp; <br>Therefore, for some, this is most certainly news for nerds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most nerds have little in the way of physical endowment , and therefore must compensate .
  Hummers are the method of choice of compensating for small penises .
  Therefore , for some , this is most certainly news for nerds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most nerds have little in the way of physical endowment, and therefore must compensate.
  Hummers are the method of choice of compensating for small penises.
  Therefore, for some, this is most certainly news for nerds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191485</id>
	<title>Re:Yay</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1243960320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>American Culture: Made in China</p></div></blockquote><p>They're welcome to it, as far as I'm concerned.  Anyway, this is nothing new.</p><p>America's indigenous art forms have always had to go overseas in order to survive.  Why do you think all the jazz musicians in the 40's and 50's had to move to Paris, or why Hendrix and The Ramones had to go to England to break out.  Muddy Waters and Willie Dixon were practically destitute until the Rolling Stones took them on a European tour and exposed their music widely (to American audiences).</p><p>It's shocking how much of the greatest American artists have had to leave the country in order to find artistic and financial success.</p><p>As far as the Hummer goes, I'm not sure this is a great loss.  The notion that personal automobiles ought to look like (and be as big as) diesel locomotives is one that I will not miss.  And I don't think I'm the only one.  I've noticed, in fact, that people who are still driving behemoths like the Lincoln Navigator or Chevy Tahoe or GMC or the bloated Nissan Armada look a wee bit sheepish lately when I see them at the gas pumps, sort of like a guy with a fat girlfriend who tries to pretend she's not with him when he runs into someone he knows.  In fact, it's <i>exactly</i> like that.</p><p>To think that when the Lincoln Continental was first introduced it was a two-seat roadster built on a Thunderbird chassis and was rather small and graceful and drop-dead gorgeous and with the overblown 80's became as big as an aircraft carrier (and about as graceful) and today looks like a Ford police sedan with edema (and a little extra chrome bolted on).</p><p>The US auto industry, which once made iconic and stunning (if somewhat baroque) masterpieces, now couldn't design their way out of a brown paper bag.  Think about it:  the biggest hits for the US automakers since the 90s (besides the aforementioned personal sport locomotives) are campy, overpriced, faux-retro clunkers like the recent Mustangs, Dodge Chargers, Camaros and Thunderbirds, designed to make fifty-something baby boomers relive their miserable adolescent gropings in their progenitors' back seats.</p><p>Put a 1955 Corvette next to any Corvette since 2000 to see what I mean.  Remember, that '55 Vette cost about $2800 so you didn't have to be a partner in a law firm or a crooked derivatives trader to afford one.</p><p>Anyway, fuck alla that fossil fuel bullshit.  I ride a bike.  I don't have to make payments, ransom my daughter's college fund to fill the gas tank and when I get to work, my blood pressure is <i>lower</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>American Culture : Made in ChinaThey 're welcome to it , as far as I 'm concerned .
Anyway , this is nothing new.America 's indigenous art forms have always had to go overseas in order to survive .
Why do you think all the jazz musicians in the 40 's and 50 's had to move to Paris , or why Hendrix and The Ramones had to go to England to break out .
Muddy Waters and Willie Dixon were practically destitute until the Rolling Stones took them on a European tour and exposed their music widely ( to American audiences ) .It 's shocking how much of the greatest American artists have had to leave the country in order to find artistic and financial success.As far as the Hummer goes , I 'm not sure this is a great loss .
The notion that personal automobiles ought to look like ( and be as big as ) diesel locomotives is one that I will not miss .
And I do n't think I 'm the only one .
I 've noticed , in fact , that people who are still driving behemoths like the Lincoln Navigator or Chevy Tahoe or GMC or the bloated Nissan Armada look a wee bit sheepish lately when I see them at the gas pumps , sort of like a guy with a fat girlfriend who tries to pretend she 's not with him when he runs into someone he knows .
In fact , it 's exactly like that.To think that when the Lincoln Continental was first introduced it was a two-seat roadster built on a Thunderbird chassis and was rather small and graceful and drop-dead gorgeous and with the overblown 80 's became as big as an aircraft carrier ( and about as graceful ) and today looks like a Ford police sedan with edema ( and a little extra chrome bolted on ) .The US auto industry , which once made iconic and stunning ( if somewhat baroque ) masterpieces , now could n't design their way out of a brown paper bag .
Think about it : the biggest hits for the US automakers since the 90s ( besides the aforementioned personal sport locomotives ) are campy , overpriced , faux-retro clunkers like the recent Mustangs , Dodge Chargers , Camaros and Thunderbirds , designed to make fifty-something baby boomers relive their miserable adolescent gropings in their progenitors ' back seats.Put a 1955 Corvette next to any Corvette since 2000 to see what I mean .
Remember , that '55 Vette cost about $ 2800 so you did n't have to be a partner in a law firm or a crooked derivatives trader to afford one.Anyway , fuck alla that fossil fuel bullshit .
I ride a bike .
I do n't have to make payments , ransom my daughter 's college fund to fill the gas tank and when I get to work , my blood pressure is lower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>American Culture: Made in ChinaThey're welcome to it, as far as I'm concerned.
Anyway, this is nothing new.America's indigenous art forms have always had to go overseas in order to survive.
Why do you think all the jazz musicians in the 40's and 50's had to move to Paris, or why Hendrix and The Ramones had to go to England to break out.
Muddy Waters and Willie Dixon were practically destitute until the Rolling Stones took them on a European tour and exposed their music widely (to American audiences).It's shocking how much of the greatest American artists have had to leave the country in order to find artistic and financial success.As far as the Hummer goes, I'm not sure this is a great loss.
The notion that personal automobiles ought to look like (and be as big as) diesel locomotives is one that I will not miss.
And I don't think I'm the only one.
I've noticed, in fact, that people who are still driving behemoths like the Lincoln Navigator or Chevy Tahoe or GMC or the bloated Nissan Armada look a wee bit sheepish lately when I see them at the gas pumps, sort of like a guy with a fat girlfriend who tries to pretend she's not with him when he runs into someone he knows.
In fact, it's exactly like that.To think that when the Lincoln Continental was first introduced it was a two-seat roadster built on a Thunderbird chassis and was rather small and graceful and drop-dead gorgeous and with the overblown 80's became as big as an aircraft carrier (and about as graceful) and today looks like a Ford police sedan with edema (and a little extra chrome bolted on).The US auto industry, which once made iconic and stunning (if somewhat baroque) masterpieces, now couldn't design their way out of a brown paper bag.
Think about it:  the biggest hits for the US automakers since the 90s (besides the aforementioned personal sport locomotives) are campy, overpriced, faux-retro clunkers like the recent Mustangs, Dodge Chargers, Camaros and Thunderbirds, designed to make fifty-something baby boomers relive their miserable adolescent gropings in their progenitors' back seats.Put a 1955 Corvette next to any Corvette since 2000 to see what I mean.
Remember, that '55 Vette cost about $2800 so you didn't have to be a partner in a law firm or a crooked derivatives trader to afford one.Anyway, fuck alla that fossil fuel bullshit.
I ride a bike.
I don't have to make payments, ransom my daughter's college fund to fill the gas tank and when I get to work, my blood pressure is lower.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28193855</id>
	<title>Re:An excellent company name</title>
	<author>Talderas</author>
	<datestamp>1244032800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because they aren't?</p><p>The original Hummer, HMMWV, is still produced by AM General. GM never produced Humvees for the military. The H1 version of the Hummer was produced by AM General as well, but marketed by GM, and was based off the Humvee design. The H2 and H3 were basically a Suburban chassis with an body that bastardized the HMMWV body design.</p><p>At least the H2 shares some similarities with the H1 model. The H3 model is just trash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they are n't ? The original Hummer , HMMWV , is still produced by AM General .
GM never produced Humvees for the military .
The H1 version of the Hummer was produced by AM General as well , but marketed by GM , and was based off the Humvee design .
The H2 and H3 were basically a Suburban chassis with an body that bastardized the HMMWV body design.At least the H2 shares some similarities with the H1 model .
The H3 model is just trash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they aren't?The original Hummer, HMMWV, is still produced by AM General.
GM never produced Humvees for the military.
The H1 version of the Hummer was produced by AM General as well, but marketed by GM, and was based off the Humvee design.
The H2 and H3 were basically a Suburban chassis with an body that bastardized the HMMWV body design.At least the H2 shares some similarities with the H1 model.
The H3 model is just trash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189197</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>mu51c10rd</author>
	<datestamp>1243943400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Military Humvees are made by AM General, who sold the rights to the civilian versions back in 99 to GM I believe. This won't affect the military production lines in Indiana.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Military Humvees are made by AM General , who sold the rights to the civilian versions back in 99 to GM I believe .
This wo n't affect the military production lines in Indiana .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Military Humvees are made by AM General, who sold the rights to the civilian versions back in 99 to GM I believe.
This won't affect the military production lines in Indiana.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190447</id>
	<title>For once!</title>
	<author>Ozlanthos</author>
	<datestamp>1243951260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have been hearing about this crap all day long from every AM station I listen to (even NPR). I do believe this is the very first time I heard about it there, without having already read about it like 2 weeks before on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. . Some hell somewhere has just frozen over......
<br>
<br>
-Oz</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been hearing about this crap all day long from every AM station I listen to ( even NPR ) .
I do believe this is the very first time I heard about it there , without having already read about it like 2 weeks before on / .
. Some hell somewhere has just frozen over..... . -Oz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been hearing about this crap all day long from every AM station I listen to (even NPR).
I do believe this is the very first time I heard about it there, without having already read about it like 2 weeks before on /.
. Some hell somewhere has just frozen over......


-Oz</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189509</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243945020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The H2 and H3 were original GM designs.</i></p><p>Original? Ha. The H2 is a rebadged Tahoe with different sheet metal.</p><p>I never understood the H2 &amp; H3. Despite its impracticality in regular traffic, the H1 is an awesome off-road machine. The H2 &amp; H3 are POSes off-road.</p><p>If you want a Hummer, get a real Hummer. Or get a poser SUV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The H2 and H3 were original GM designs.Original ?
Ha. The H2 is a rebadged Tahoe with different sheet metal.I never understood the H2 &amp; H3 .
Despite its impracticality in regular traffic , the H1 is an awesome off-road machine .
The H2 &amp; H3 are POSes off-road.If you want a Hummer , get a real Hummer .
Or get a poser SUV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The H2 and H3 were original GM designs.Original?
Ha. The H2 is a rebadged Tahoe with different sheet metal.I never understood the H2 &amp; H3.
Despite its impracticality in regular traffic, the H1 is an awesome off-road machine.
The H2 &amp; H3 are POSes off-road.If you want a Hummer, get a real Hummer.
Or get a poser SUV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28195021</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244040540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>H2 = GMC Jimmy AKA Chevy Tahoe chassis<br>H3 = GMC Envoy AKA Chevy Trailblazer chassis</p></div><p>Not quite.  The H3 is based on the Chevrolet Colorado/GMC Canyon platform, not the Trailblazer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>H2 = GMC Jimmy AKA Chevy Tahoe chassisH3 = GMC Envoy AKA Chevy Trailblazer chassisNot quite .
The H3 is based on the Chevrolet Colorado/GMC Canyon platform , not the Trailblazer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>H2 = GMC Jimmy AKA Chevy Tahoe chassisH3 = GMC Envoy AKA Chevy Trailblazer chassisNot quite.
The H3 is based on the Chevrolet Colorado/GMC Canyon platform, not the Trailblazer.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189123</id>
	<title>Swings and roundabouts . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243942980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Save Jobs, Fuck The Planet! The motto of the new depression. Roll up, Roll up, get your tickets here for the latest 'End of the World' show!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Save Jobs , Fuck The Planet !
The motto of the new depression .
Roll up , Roll up , get your tickets here for the latest 'End of the World ' show !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Save Jobs, Fuck The Planet!
The motto of the new depression.
Roll up, Roll up, get your tickets here for the latest 'End of the World' show!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191369</id>
	<title>The New Hummer Is STILL RETARDED.....</title>
	<author>IHC Navistar</author>
	<datestamp>1243959240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GM completely ruined the Hummer with their godforsaken pile of wheeled plastic crap.</p><p>Sold it to a Chinese company? So what. Now that same godforsaken pile of wheeled plastic crap will fall apart when you turn set the car alarm.</p><p>HUMVEER = HUMMER</p><p>GM HUMMER = PURE SHIT</p><p>Let GM rot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GM completely ruined the Hummer with their godforsaken pile of wheeled plastic crap.Sold it to a Chinese company ?
So what .
Now that same godforsaken pile of wheeled plastic crap will fall apart when you turn set the car alarm.HUMVEER = HUMMERGM HUMMER = PURE SHITLet GM rot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GM completely ruined the Hummer with their godforsaken pile of wheeled plastic crap.Sold it to a Chinese company?
So what.
Now that same godforsaken pile of wheeled plastic crap will fall apart when you turn set the car alarm.HUMVEER = HUMMERGM HUMMER = PURE SHITLet GM rot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192995</id>
	<title>Apparently, the Chinese still have a few ...</title>
	<author>Ihlosi</author>
	<datestamp>1244020620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>... things too learn, since I've never seen a Chinese saying along the lines of:<p>
"If you try to swim in rough water, the first thing to do is \_not\_ to chain an iron ball to your ankle."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... things too learn , since I 've never seen a Chinese saying along the lines of : " If you try to swim in rough water , the first thing to do is \ _not \ _ to chain an iron ball to your ankle .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... things too learn, since I've never seen a Chinese saying along the lines of:
"If you try to swim in rough water, the first thing to do is \_not\_ to chain an iron ball to your ankle.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190121</id>
	<title>Re:Heads aspode</title>
	<author>gpalyu</author>
	<datestamp>1243948860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The difference is the amount of jobs you're supporting here with domestic vs. foreign. With Toyota you're supporting a few thousand schlubs being paid a decent wage to work in a factory. With the domestic you're supporting not just the people who build the cars but also the parts. Toyota and Honda don't build their parts here, they ship them from oversea's. The manufacturing base that is built up around these domestic guys is what is most valuable to us as a country. Those are the guys most of us know, not the ones who work at corporate hq or even the factory these days.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The difference is the amount of jobs you 're supporting here with domestic vs. foreign. With Toyota you 're supporting a few thousand schlubs being paid a decent wage to work in a factory .
With the domestic you 're supporting not just the people who build the cars but also the parts .
Toyota and Honda do n't build their parts here , they ship them from oversea 's .
The manufacturing base that is built up around these domestic guys is what is most valuable to us as a country .
Those are the guys most of us know , not the ones who work at corporate hq or even the factory these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The difference is the amount of jobs you're supporting here with domestic vs. foreign. With Toyota you're supporting a few thousand schlubs being paid a decent wage to work in a factory.
With the domestic you're supporting not just the people who build the cars but also the parts.
Toyota and Honda don't build their parts here, they ship them from oversea's.
The manufacturing base that is built up around these domestic guys is what is most valuable to us as a country.
Those are the guys most of us know, not the ones who work at corporate hq or even the factory these days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191209</id>
	<title>Re:Are they going to still be sold here?</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1243958040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you have any suggestions about how the situation could have been handled better?  As far as I can tell, the government went far beyond what was necessary or reasonable to try to keep the industry afloat.  Even the unions were willing to consider virtually any plan on the table.</p><p>Yes, the first stages of the bailout and stimulus were handled extremely poorly, and cut far too much slack for the financial industry.  However, the people who orchestrated it are mostly out of office by now, and it's unlikely that anybody will trust the financial services industry for the next several generations.  It's water under the bridge.</p><p>Also, how is the US some sort of "alternate reality?"  As far as I can tell, the only alternate reality took place over the past 4-6 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you have any suggestions about how the situation could have been handled better ?
As far as I can tell , the government went far beyond what was necessary or reasonable to try to keep the industry afloat .
Even the unions were willing to consider virtually any plan on the table.Yes , the first stages of the bailout and stimulus were handled extremely poorly , and cut far too much slack for the financial industry .
However , the people who orchestrated it are mostly out of office by now , and it 's unlikely that anybody will trust the financial services industry for the next several generations .
It 's water under the bridge.Also , how is the US some sort of " alternate reality ?
" As far as I can tell , the only alternate reality took place over the past 4-6 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you have any suggestions about how the situation could have been handled better?
As far as I can tell, the government went far beyond what was necessary or reasonable to try to keep the industry afloat.
Even the unions were willing to consider virtually any plan on the table.Yes, the first stages of the bailout and stimulus were handled extremely poorly, and cut far too much slack for the financial industry.
However, the people who orchestrated it are mostly out of office by now, and it's unlikely that anybody will trust the financial services industry for the next several generations.
It's water under the bridge.Also, how is the US some sort of "alternate reality?
"  As far as I can tell, the only alternate reality took place over the past 4-6 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28196175</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244045580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GMC Jimmy = Chevy Blazer<br>GMC Yukon  = Chevy Tahoe</p><p>I can see how a lack of distinct branding hurt GM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GMC Jimmy = Chevy BlazerGMC Yukon = Chevy TahoeI can see how a lack of distinct branding hurt GM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GMC Jimmy = Chevy BlazerGMC Yukon  = Chevy TahoeI can see how a lack of distinct branding hurt GM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192293</id>
	<title>Re:This is a warning to those other industries</title>
	<author>ianare</author>
	<datestamp>1243969320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean we'll nationalise the entertainment industry too ? Sounds awfully dangerous<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean we 'll nationalise the entertainment industry too ?
Sounds awfully dangerous .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean we'll nationalise the entertainment industry too ?
Sounds awfully dangerous ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189849</id>
	<title>Re:Are they going to still be sold here?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243947180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The real problem isn't that Hummer is sold, it is that the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler have both been shoved down the companies and investor's throats.</p></div><p>My impression was that the federal government went to great lengths to help GM and Chrysler avoid bankruptcy (by, at least indirectly, ponying up substantial amounts of tax payer dollars) and then when it finally became clear that bankruptcy was unavoidable the federal government has bent over backwards to expedite the bankruptcy process.</p><p>If anything, the federal government has been way too soft on GM and Chrysler; providing them with preferential treatment unavailable to individuals and small businesses. In a purely capitalist economy GM and Chrysler would have gone bankrupt long ago.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem is n't that Hummer is sold , it is that the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler have both been shoved down the companies and investor 's throats.My impression was that the federal government went to great lengths to help GM and Chrysler avoid bankruptcy ( by , at least indirectly , ponying up substantial amounts of tax payer dollars ) and then when it finally became clear that bankruptcy was unavoidable the federal government has bent over backwards to expedite the bankruptcy process.If anything , the federal government has been way too soft on GM and Chrysler ; providing them with preferential treatment unavailable to individuals and small businesses .
In a purely capitalist economy GM and Chrysler would have gone bankrupt long ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem isn't that Hummer is sold, it is that the bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler have both been shoved down the companies and investor's throats.My impression was that the federal government went to great lengths to help GM and Chrysler avoid bankruptcy (by, at least indirectly, ponying up substantial amounts of tax payer dollars) and then when it finally became clear that bankruptcy was unavoidable the federal government has bent over backwards to expedite the bankruptcy process.If anything, the federal government has been way too soft on GM and Chrysler; providing them with preferential treatment unavailable to individuals and small businesses.
In a purely capitalist economy GM and Chrysler would have gone bankrupt long ago.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189769</id>
	<title>Re:Yay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243946640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>American Culture:  \_Manufactured\_ in China</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>American Culture : \ _Manufactured \ _ in China</tokentext>
<sentencetext>American Culture:  \_Manufactured\_ in China</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28193519</id>
	<title>Why buy Hummer</title>
	<author>ebonum</author>
	<datestamp>1244027760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I doubt the Chinese are interested in building Hummers. However, they are very very interested in owning the intellectual property rights to certain components such as engines and transmissions.  Once they are legally in the clear and have a good design, they will be able to build and sell a car for the US market.</p><p>Disclosure - I live in China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt the Chinese are interested in building Hummers .
However , they are very very interested in owning the intellectual property rights to certain components such as engines and transmissions .
Once they are legally in the clear and have a good design , they will be able to build and sell a car for the US market.Disclosure - I live in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt the Chinese are interested in building Hummers.
However, they are very very interested in owning the intellectual property rights to certain components such as engines and transmissions.
Once they are legally in the clear and have a good design, they will be able to build and sell a car for the US market.Disclosure - I live in China.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190779</id>
	<title>Range Rover</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243954200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Chinese also bought Range Rover (everything but the name). They also build a clone of the Rolls-Royce.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chinese also bought Range Rover ( everything but the name ) .
They also build a clone of the Rolls-Royce .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chinese also bought Range Rover (everything but the name).
They also build a clone of the Rolls-Royce.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28194861</id>
	<title>Re:An excellent company name</title>
	<author>Chewbacon</author>
	<datestamp>1244039820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Damn, we outsource everything to China and now we have to give them a Hummer?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn , we outsource everything to China and now we have to give them a Hummer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn, we outsource everything to China and now we have to give them a Hummer?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192119</id>
	<title>Re:EV-1</title>
	<author>A12m0v</author>
	<datestamp>1243967040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Volt can't come soon enough.<br>An electric car with a range extender (internal combustion engine for backup).<br><a href="http://www.chevrolet.com/experience/fuel-solutions/electric/" title="chevrolet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.chevrolet.com/experience/fuel-solutions/electric/</a> [chevrolet.com]<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy\_Volt" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy\_Volt</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>And it will be built close to my birthplace<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamtramck,\_Michigan" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamtramck,\_Michigan</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Volt ca n't come soon enough.An electric car with a range extender ( internal combustion engine for backup ) .http : //www.chevrolet.com/experience/fuel-solutions/electric/ [ chevrolet.com ] http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy \ _Volt [ wikipedia.org ] And it will be built close to my birthplacehttp : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamtramck , \ _Michigan [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Volt can't come soon enough.An electric car with a range extender (internal combustion engine for backup).http://www.chevrolet.com/experience/fuel-solutions/electric/ [chevrolet.com]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy\_Volt [wikipedia.org]And it will be built close to my birthplacehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamtramck,\_Michigan [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189445</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it's just me...</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1243944600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you cry into a beer, at least you have a beer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you cry into a beer , at least you have a beer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you cry into a beer, at least you have a beer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192105</id>
	<title>Re:This is a warning to those other industries</title>
	<author>gringofrijolero</author>
	<datestamp>1243966860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Watch out RIAA/MPAA your industries are next. The market will handle you as well.</i></p><p>Eh so what. The money will move(diversify?) into into other markets, and we keep the same people in charge.. What's changed? The market is dumb. Where's my AM stereo?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Watch out RIAA/MPAA your industries are next .
The market will handle you as well.Eh so what .
The money will move ( diversify ?
) into into other markets , and we keep the same people in charge.. What 's changed ?
The market is dumb .
Where 's my AM stereo ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Watch out RIAA/MPAA your industries are next.
The market will handle you as well.Eh so what.
The money will move(diversify?
) into into other markets, and we keep the same people in charge.. What's changed?
The market is dumb.
Where's my AM stereo?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28194199</id>
	<title>Re:Swings and roundabouts . . .</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1244036160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought I was supposed to roll up for the Magical Mystery Tour, not the End of the World As We Know It.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought I was supposed to roll up for the Magical Mystery Tour , not the End of the World As We Know It .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought I was supposed to roll up for the Magical Mystery Tour, not the End of the World As We Know It.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28198225</id>
	<title>Hummer</title>
	<author>Chiindi</author>
	<datestamp>1244053740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I got a hummer from a Chinese Ho in Hong Kong!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I got a hummer from a Chinese Ho in Hong Kong !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got a hummer from a Chinese Ho in Hong Kong!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28196541</id>
	<title>Re:This is a warning to those other industries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244047320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean the US government will take a 70\% stake in the RIAA by forcing them into bankruptcy then use our tax dollars to keep them afloat?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean the US government will take a 70 \ % stake in the RIAA by forcing them into bankruptcy then use our tax dollars to keep them afloat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean the US government will take a 70\% stake in the RIAA by forcing them into bankruptcy then use our tax dollars to keep them afloat?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189605</id>
	<title>Re:Are they going to still be sold here?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243945620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>erhm.. worse sales != greater loses<br>Just because they are selling even less has nothing to do with their ability to cope with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>erhm.. worse sales ! = greater losesJust because they are selling even less has nothing to do with their ability to cope with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>erhm.. worse sales != greater losesJust because they are selling even less has nothing to do with their ability to cope with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190323</id>
	<title>This is a warning to those other industries</title>
	<author>DragonTHC</author>
	<datestamp>1243950360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Keep plowing ahead ignoring your customers.<br>After all, they'll buy what you damn well want them to buy, right?  Wrong.  GM had piss-poor leadership, management with no vision.  They kept making product that no one wanted to buy.  The market handled GM alright.</p><p>Now, just think if GM had treated every potential customer that entered a dealership as a criminal.</p><p>Watch out RIAA/MPAA your industries are next.  The market will handle you as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Keep plowing ahead ignoring your customers.After all , they 'll buy what you damn well want them to buy , right ?
Wrong. GM had piss-poor leadership , management with no vision .
They kept making product that no one wanted to buy .
The market handled GM alright.Now , just think if GM had treated every potential customer that entered a dealership as a criminal.Watch out RIAA/MPAA your industries are next .
The market will handle you as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keep plowing ahead ignoring your customers.After all, they'll buy what you damn well want them to buy, right?
Wrong.  GM had piss-poor leadership, management with no vision.
They kept making product that no one wanted to buy.
The market handled GM alright.Now, just think if GM had treated every potential customer that entered a dealership as a criminal.Watch out RIAA/MPAA your industries are next.
The market will handle you as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28203233</id>
	<title>Foreign auto suppliers are local</title>
	<author>sjbe</author>
	<datestamp>1244030940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With Toyota you're supporting a few thousand schlubs being paid a decent wage to work in a factory.</p> </div><p>A few thousand?  Try tens of thousands across their various operating companies plus the extensive supply base, much of which is here in the US.  Toyota makes <a href="http://www.toyota.com/about/our\_business/investor\_relations/financial\_data/2009/20090509FinancialSummary.pdf" title="toyota.com">close to half</a> [toyota.com] of the vehicles they sell in the US right here in the US.  Last year that was approximately 1 million vehicles.  (they make more in Japan but most of those are sold elsewhere in the world - they only import a bit over 1 million vehicles annually)  You can't build that many vehicles locally and import all the parts.  The currency risk and lead times would make it impossible.  Furthermore the dollar has been weakening which would make it more expensive to bring parts from overseas to the US.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>With the domestic you're supporting not just the people who build the cars but also the parts. Toyota and Honda don't build their parts here, they ship them from oversea's.</p></div><p>You couldn't be more wrong.  That hasn't been true for a LONG time.  I've been in the plants where they make parts for Toyota right here in the US.  I've seen the frames for the Toyota Tacoma, Sequoia and Tundra being assembled with my own eyes and even helped optimize the lines.  It's simply not economical to make and ship every or even most parts from Japan if the assembly occurs here in the US.  The logistics get too difficult for a Just-In-Time system like Toyota uses - most of the parts HAVE to be made close to where assembly occurs.  Furthermore there are joint ventures like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUMMI" title="wikipedia.org">NUMMI</a> [wikipedia.org].  If you go to a Honda dealer they list the percentage of parts made in the US versus made in Japan.  A current model Civic has about 20\% of the parts made in Japan and most of the rest are made in either the US or Canada and assembly happens in Ohio.  Supply chains are global these days.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The manufacturing base that is built up around these domestic guys is what is most valuable to us as a country.</p> </div><p>Most of those suppliers, especially the large ones, supply both foreign and domestic auto makers.  In fact it is a problem for Toyota and other auto makers if GM goes under because they share a non-trivial amount of their supply base.  I used to work for one of the 10 biggest auto suppliers.  Just over 55\% of their business was domestic and the rest was overseas.  The largest single client was one of the big three (Chrysler at the time if memory serves) and it accounted for somewhere north of 12\% of the company's business at the time.  The other big Tier One suppliers in the US depend on the Big 3 but most of them have plenty of business with non-US based automakers too.  Don't get me wrong, losing the Big 3 business would hurt the supply base a lot but don't have any illusions about the nature of the supply base.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With Toyota you 're supporting a few thousand schlubs being paid a decent wage to work in a factory .
A few thousand ?
Try tens of thousands across their various operating companies plus the extensive supply base , much of which is here in the US .
Toyota makes close to half [ toyota.com ] of the vehicles they sell in the US right here in the US .
Last year that was approximately 1 million vehicles .
( they make more in Japan but most of those are sold elsewhere in the world - they only import a bit over 1 million vehicles annually ) You ca n't build that many vehicles locally and import all the parts .
The currency risk and lead times would make it impossible .
Furthermore the dollar has been weakening which would make it more expensive to bring parts from overseas to the US.With the domestic you 're supporting not just the people who build the cars but also the parts .
Toyota and Honda do n't build their parts here , they ship them from oversea 's.You could n't be more wrong .
That has n't been true for a LONG time .
I 've been in the plants where they make parts for Toyota right here in the US .
I 've seen the frames for the Toyota Tacoma , Sequoia and Tundra being assembled with my own eyes and even helped optimize the lines .
It 's simply not economical to make and ship every or even most parts from Japan if the assembly occurs here in the US .
The logistics get too difficult for a Just-In-Time system like Toyota uses - most of the parts HAVE to be made close to where assembly occurs .
Furthermore there are joint ventures like NUMMI [ wikipedia.org ] .
If you go to a Honda dealer they list the percentage of parts made in the US versus made in Japan .
A current model Civic has about 20 \ % of the parts made in Japan and most of the rest are made in either the US or Canada and assembly happens in Ohio .
Supply chains are global these days.The manufacturing base that is built up around these domestic guys is what is most valuable to us as a country .
Most of those suppliers , especially the large ones , supply both foreign and domestic auto makers .
In fact it is a problem for Toyota and other auto makers if GM goes under because they share a non-trivial amount of their supply base .
I used to work for one of the 10 biggest auto suppliers .
Just over 55 \ % of their business was domestic and the rest was overseas .
The largest single client was one of the big three ( Chrysler at the time if memory serves ) and it accounted for somewhere north of 12 \ % of the company 's business at the time .
The other big Tier One suppliers in the US depend on the Big 3 but most of them have plenty of business with non-US based automakers too .
Do n't get me wrong , losing the Big 3 business would hurt the supply base a lot but do n't have any illusions about the nature of the supply base .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Toyota you're supporting a few thousand schlubs being paid a decent wage to work in a factory.
A few thousand?
Try tens of thousands across their various operating companies plus the extensive supply base, much of which is here in the US.
Toyota makes close to half [toyota.com] of the vehicles they sell in the US right here in the US.
Last year that was approximately 1 million vehicles.
(they make more in Japan but most of those are sold elsewhere in the world - they only import a bit over 1 million vehicles annually)  You can't build that many vehicles locally and import all the parts.
The currency risk and lead times would make it impossible.
Furthermore the dollar has been weakening which would make it more expensive to bring parts from overseas to the US.With the domestic you're supporting not just the people who build the cars but also the parts.
Toyota and Honda don't build their parts here, they ship them from oversea's.You couldn't be more wrong.
That hasn't been true for a LONG time.
I've been in the plants where they make parts for Toyota right here in the US.
I've seen the frames for the Toyota Tacoma, Sequoia and Tundra being assembled with my own eyes and even helped optimize the lines.
It's simply not economical to make and ship every or even most parts from Japan if the assembly occurs here in the US.
The logistics get too difficult for a Just-In-Time system like Toyota uses - most of the parts HAVE to be made close to where assembly occurs.
Furthermore there are joint ventures like NUMMI [wikipedia.org].
If you go to a Honda dealer they list the percentage of parts made in the US versus made in Japan.
A current model Civic has about 20\% of the parts made in Japan and most of the rest are made in either the US or Canada and assembly happens in Ohio.
Supply chains are global these days.The manufacturing base that is built up around these domestic guys is what is most valuable to us as a country.
Most of those suppliers, especially the large ones, supply both foreign and domestic auto makers.
In fact it is a problem for Toyota and other auto makers if GM goes under because they share a non-trivial amount of their supply base.
I used to work for one of the 10 biggest auto suppliers.
Just over 55\% of their business was domestic and the rest was overseas.
The largest single client was one of the big three (Chrysler at the time if memory serves) and it accounted for somewhere north of 12\% of the company's business at the time.
The other big Tier One suppliers in the US depend on the Big 3 but most of them have plenty of business with non-US based automakers too.
Don't get me wrong, losing the Big 3 business would hurt the supply base a lot but don't have any illusions about the nature of the supply base.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28194895</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244040000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The H1 is the original military hummer, the h2 is based on the suburban, hopefully China doesn't get the military contract along with the company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The H1 is the original military hummer , the h2 is based on the suburban , hopefully China does n't get the military contract along with the company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The H1 is the original military hummer, the h2 is based on the suburban, hopefully China doesn't get the military contract along with the company.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191621</id>
	<title>Re:Heads aspode</title>
	<author>sponga</author>
	<datestamp>1243961880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate to say this and don't mean to be racist.</p><p>I put it this way with my Toyota truck to other owners of big cars.</p><p>I tell them my Tacoma was built in Louisiana by American autoworkers and that I get much better gas mileage, which makes me feel better that I don't have to spend as much on gas which comes from Arab countries. I basically than tell them that by purchasing a Hummer that they are feeding 5 hunger Arab families everytime they fill up and that they just made a small donation to the local Mosque over there.</p><p>Don't worry though brotha, in my job sometimes I operate a 800HP machine and some people kind of get a little shocked that I drive a little Toyota truck to there perfectly with all my tools in the back to put it in perspective.</p><p>But yeah you are right, Chinese made and Arab powered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate to say this and do n't mean to be racist.I put it this way with my Toyota truck to other owners of big cars.I tell them my Tacoma was built in Louisiana by American autoworkers and that I get much better gas mileage , which makes me feel better that I do n't have to spend as much on gas which comes from Arab countries .
I basically than tell them that by purchasing a Hummer that they are feeding 5 hunger Arab families everytime they fill up and that they just made a small donation to the local Mosque over there.Do n't worry though brotha , in my job sometimes I operate a 800HP machine and some people kind of get a little shocked that I drive a little Toyota truck to there perfectly with all my tools in the back to put it in perspective.But yeah you are right , Chinese made and Arab powered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate to say this and don't mean to be racist.I put it this way with my Toyota truck to other owners of big cars.I tell them my Tacoma was built in Louisiana by American autoworkers and that I get much better gas mileage, which makes me feel better that I don't have to spend as much on gas which comes from Arab countries.
I basically than tell them that by purchasing a Hummer that they are feeding 5 hunger Arab families everytime they fill up and that they just made a small donation to the local Mosque over there.Don't worry though brotha, in my job sometimes I operate a 800HP machine and some people kind of get a little shocked that I drive a little Toyota truck to there perfectly with all my tools in the back to put it in perspective.But yeah you are right, Chinese made and Arab powered.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189307</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192265</id>
	<title>Market Schmarket</title>
	<author>Vainglorious Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1243968840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The market handled GM alright...Watch out RIAA/MPAA your industries are next. The market will handle you as well.</p></div></blockquote><p>Since "handled" in GM's case means "left to government to bail out with tens of billions of taxpayers' dollars", I sincerely hope that "the market" does not do the same for those culture thieves.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The market handled GM alright...Watch out RIAA/MPAA your industries are next .
The market will handle you as well.Since " handled " in GM 's case means " left to government to bail out with tens of billions of taxpayers ' dollars " , I sincerely hope that " the market " does not do the same for those culture thieves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The market handled GM alright...Watch out RIAA/MPAA your industries are next.
The market will handle you as well.Since "handled" in GM's case means "left to government to bail out with tens of billions of taxpayers' dollars", I sincerely hope that "the market" does not do the same for those culture thieves.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190323</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28194667</id>
	<title>Re:Heads aspode</title>
	<author>FatAlb3rt</author>
	<datestamp>1244039100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You might be surprised to learn that most of our <a href="http://acta.us/growls/2008/02/where\_do\_us\_oil\_imports\_come\_f.html" title="acta.us">imported oil</a> [acta.us] doesn't come from Arab countries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You might be surprised to learn that most of our imported oil [ acta.us ] does n't come from Arab countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might be surprised to learn that most of our imported oil [acta.us] doesn't come from Arab countries.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191621</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192593</id>
	<title>Being Chinese...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243972560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...this leaves a bad taste in my mouth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28194911</id>
	<title>Re:Yay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244040060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Put a 1955 Corvette next to any Corvette since 2000 to see what I mean.  Remember, that '55 Vette cost about $2800 so you didn't have to be a partner in a law firm or a crooked derivatives trader to afford one.</p></div><p>Brilliant logic there, Holmes.</p><p>That $2800 in 1955 would have been a year's wages for a person with a good job, considering that minimum wage in 1955 was $0.75 an hour....</p><p>0.75 X 8hr/day X 5days/week = $30 / week, before tax.</p><p>It would take a minimum wage person in 1955 just under two years to be able to afford a Corvette, if they needed no money for \_anything\_ else, and paid no taxes.</p><p>MSRP for the base 2009 Corvette is $48,565.  Current minimum wage is $7.25.</p><p>Same calculations:</p><p>7.25X8X5 = $290/week</p><p>Now, it would take someone on minimum wage slightly over 3 years to be able to afford a Corvette.  Not exactly a huge jump.  And not so much a problem with the price of the car, as it is that minimum wage has not kept up to the cost of living.  A person living on minimum wage now is much worse off than somebody living on minimum wage in 1955, across the board.  Food, rent, transportation, entertainment....they call cost a significant portion more than in 1955, relative to minimum wage.</p><p>Suddenly that $2800 Corvette's not looking so cheap, is it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Put a 1955 Corvette next to any Corvette since 2000 to see what I mean .
Remember , that '55 Vette cost about $ 2800 so you did n't have to be a partner in a law firm or a crooked derivatives trader to afford one.Brilliant logic there , Holmes.That $ 2800 in 1955 would have been a year 's wages for a person with a good job , considering that minimum wage in 1955 was $ 0.75 an hour....0.75 X 8hr/day X 5days/week = $ 30 / week , before tax.It would take a minimum wage person in 1955 just under two years to be able to afford a Corvette , if they needed no money for \ _anything \ _ else , and paid no taxes.MSRP for the base 2009 Corvette is $ 48,565 .
Current minimum wage is $ 7.25.Same calculations : 7.25X8X5 = $ 290/weekNow , it would take someone on minimum wage slightly over 3 years to be able to afford a Corvette .
Not exactly a huge jump .
And not so much a problem with the price of the car , as it is that minimum wage has not kept up to the cost of living .
A person living on minimum wage now is much worse off than somebody living on minimum wage in 1955 , across the board .
Food , rent , transportation , entertainment....they call cost a significant portion more than in 1955 , relative to minimum wage.Suddenly that $ 2800 Corvette 's not looking so cheap , is it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put a 1955 Corvette next to any Corvette since 2000 to see what I mean.
Remember, that '55 Vette cost about $2800 so you didn't have to be a partner in a law firm or a crooked derivatives trader to afford one.Brilliant logic there, Holmes.That $2800 in 1955 would have been a year's wages for a person with a good job, considering that minimum wage in 1955 was $0.75 an hour....0.75 X 8hr/day X 5days/week = $30 / week, before tax.It would take a minimum wage person in 1955 just under two years to be able to afford a Corvette, if they needed no money for \_anything\_ else, and paid no taxes.MSRP for the base 2009 Corvette is $48,565.
Current minimum wage is $7.25.Same calculations:7.25X8X5 = $290/weekNow, it would take someone on minimum wage slightly over 3 years to be able to afford a Corvette.
Not exactly a huge jump.
And not so much a problem with the price of the car, as it is that minimum wage has not kept up to the cost of living.
A person living on minimum wage now is much worse off than somebody living on minimum wage in 1955, across the board.
Food, rent, transportation, entertainment....they call cost a significant portion more than in 1955, relative to minimum wage.Suddenly that $2800 Corvette's not looking so cheap, is it?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191485</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189303</id>
	<title>the price will be better</title>
	<author>observer7</author>
	<datestamp>1243943880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>labor cost and reintroduction of lead gas and paint will bring the price down . everyone will be able to own one...in the third world. regulations by the environmentalists  wont let us have one in the us</htmltext>
<tokenext>labor cost and reintroduction of lead gas and paint will bring the price down .
everyone will be able to own one...in the third world .
regulations by the environmentalists wont let us have one in the us</tokentext>
<sentencetext>labor cost and reintroduction of lead gas and paint will bring the price down .
everyone will be able to own one...in the third world.
regulations by the environmentalists  wont let us have one in the us</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28194677</id>
	<title>Re:Yay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244039160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My kayak and various camping gear, workstands, tools, etc, don't fit on my bike, sorry.  Bikes don't work so well in the winter to get to the mountains to ride my board either.  And hundreds of miles of hilly roads aren't exactly fun on the bike, and not possible for a weekend away from work anyway.</p><p>But, to you city dwellers, enjoy.  Some of us have good reason to own a car, and perhaps even a truck.  Enjoy your concrete jungle that is so well suited to the skinny high pressure tires.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My kayak and various camping gear , workstands , tools , etc , do n't fit on my bike , sorry .
Bikes do n't work so well in the winter to get to the mountains to ride my board either .
And hundreds of miles of hilly roads are n't exactly fun on the bike , and not possible for a weekend away from work anyway.But , to you city dwellers , enjoy .
Some of us have good reason to own a car , and perhaps even a truck .
Enjoy your concrete jungle that is so well suited to the skinny high pressure tires .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My kayak and various camping gear, workstands, tools, etc, don't fit on my bike, sorry.
Bikes don't work so well in the winter to get to the mountains to ride my board either.
And hundreds of miles of hilly roads aren't exactly fun on the bike, and not possible for a weekend away from work anyway.But, to you city dwellers, enjoy.
Some of us have good reason to own a car, and perhaps even a truck.
Enjoy your concrete jungle that is so well suited to the skinny high pressure tires.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191485</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189103</id>
	<title>So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243942920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are they simply licensing the brand and making completely different vehicles to Military Specs?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are they simply licensing the brand and making completely different vehicles to Military Specs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are they simply licensing the brand and making completely different vehicles to Military Specs?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192171</id>
	<title>A pair of Chrysler men, now vindicated.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243967700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right now, I'm betting that Michael Nitz and Richard Ebens are feeling quite vindicated for their actions against someone; they may have mistaken China for Japan but certainly weren't off the mark on saying who'd take their jobs - the Chinese.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right now , I 'm betting that Michael Nitz and Richard Ebens are feeling quite vindicated for their actions against someone ; they may have mistaken China for Japan but certainly were n't off the mark on saying who 'd take their jobs - the Chinese .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now, I'm betting that Michael Nitz and Richard Ebens are feeling quite vindicated for their actions against someone; they may have mistaken China for Japan but certainly weren't off the mark on saying who'd take their jobs - the Chinese.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192897</id>
	<title>Another American Icon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244019600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sold to the chineese.</p><p>Whats next? The statue of Liberty?</p><p>Dear God, lets hope the Chineese never cash in and collect all the US Debt they bought up over the years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sold to the chineese.Whats next ?
The statue of Liberty ? Dear God , lets hope the Chineese never cash in and collect all the US Debt they bought up over the years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sold to the chineese.Whats next?
The statue of Liberty?Dear God, lets hope the Chineese never cash in and collect all the US Debt they bought up over the years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189403</id>
	<title>Aha!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243944420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Suckazz!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Suckazz !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suckazz!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192181</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243967820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>H2 = GMC Jimmy AKA Chevy Tahoe chassis<br>H3 = GMC Envoy AKA Chevy Trailblazer chassis</i></p><p>The H3 is actually on the Colorado / Canyon chassis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>H2 = GMC Jimmy AKA Chevy Tahoe chassisH3 = GMC Envoy AKA Chevy Trailblazer chassisThe H3 is actually on the Colorado / Canyon chassis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>H2 = GMC Jimmy AKA Chevy Tahoe chassisH3 = GMC Envoy AKA Chevy Trailblazer chassisThe H3 is actually on the Colorado / Canyon chassis.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190493</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189381</id>
	<title>Re:Yay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243944300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>American Culture: Made in China</htmltext>
<tokenext>American Culture : Made in China</tokentext>
<sentencetext>American Culture: Made in China</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189083</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28196099</id>
	<title>Re:Yay</title>
	<author>kungfugleek</author>
	<datestamp>1244045340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>America's indigenous art forms have always had to go overseas in order to survive.  Why do you think all the jazz musicians in the 40's and 50's had to move to Paris, or why Hendrix and The Ramones had to go to England to break out.  Muddy Waters and Willie Dixon were practically destitute until the Rolling Stones took them on a European tour and exposed their music widely (to American audiences).</p></div><p>You forgot Jerry Lewis, too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>America 's indigenous art forms have always had to go overseas in order to survive .
Why do you think all the jazz musicians in the 40 's and 50 's had to move to Paris , or why Hendrix and The Ramones had to go to England to break out .
Muddy Waters and Willie Dixon were practically destitute until the Rolling Stones took them on a European tour and exposed their music widely ( to American audiences ) .You forgot Jerry Lewis , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America's indigenous art forms have always had to go overseas in order to survive.
Why do you think all the jazz musicians in the 40's and 50's had to move to Paris, or why Hendrix and The Ramones had to go to England to break out.
Muddy Waters and Willie Dixon were practically destitute until the Rolling Stones took them on a European tour and exposed their music widely (to American audiences).You forgot Jerry Lewis, too.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191179</id>
	<title>What can I get for 10 dollars?</title>
	<author>Immostlyharmless</author>
	<datestamp>1243957860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently, either type of Hummer?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently , either type of Hummer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently, either type of Hummer?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189497</id>
	<title>Re:Are they going to still be sold here?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243944960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Investors and companies should be happy that GM didn't completely shut down and liquidate 6 months ago, yielding no profits on those precious investments.</p><p>GM's failure has been coming for decades. The writing has been on the wall for years. GM's 2007 profits were still poor, even before this recession. Most of GM's cars are poor quality, but GM has been doing better in recent years.</p><p>It's pretty clear that GM was over expanding when it bought Hummer, Saab and Saturn. It's pretty clear that the Saturn product turned to crap after GM bought Saturn. It's pretty clear that many GM's cars were among the lowest rated cars according to several automotive magazines. Investors and dealerships should have complained louder when they had the chance.</p><p>I'll look forward to the day if and when GM pays off it's US government funded bridge loan. GM has potential.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Investors and companies should be happy that GM did n't completely shut down and liquidate 6 months ago , yielding no profits on those precious investments.GM 's failure has been coming for decades .
The writing has been on the wall for years .
GM 's 2007 profits were still poor , even before this recession .
Most of GM 's cars are poor quality , but GM has been doing better in recent years.It 's pretty clear that GM was over expanding when it bought Hummer , Saab and Saturn .
It 's pretty clear that the Saturn product turned to crap after GM bought Saturn .
It 's pretty clear that many GM 's cars were among the lowest rated cars according to several automotive magazines .
Investors and dealerships should have complained louder when they had the chance.I 'll look forward to the day if and when GM pays off it 's US government funded bridge loan .
GM has potential .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Investors and companies should be happy that GM didn't completely shut down and liquidate 6 months ago, yielding no profits on those precious investments.GM's failure has been coming for decades.
The writing has been on the wall for years.
GM's 2007 profits were still poor, even before this recession.
Most of GM's cars are poor quality, but GM has been doing better in recent years.It's pretty clear that GM was over expanding when it bought Hummer, Saab and Saturn.
It's pretty clear that the Saturn product turned to crap after GM bought Saturn.
It's pretty clear that many GM's cars were among the lowest rated cars according to several automotive magazines.
Investors and dealerships should have complained louder when they had the chance.I'll look forward to the day if and when GM pays off it's US government funded bridge loan.
GM has potential.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189177</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189437</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243944600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Neither. The military versions are called HMMV, which people tend to sound as HumVee. The GM product is called H1/H2/H3 Hummer and is based upon the Chevy Suburban Platform. Mainly the entire division is a marketing drone's wet dream as the best Mileage I've seen listed for the Hummer was 12MPG on the highway. Simply put, what killed the division is the low mileage and fuel guzzler tax here in the states because the vehicles simply couldn't get any mileage at all unlike the Real HMMV, that avgs. 20+mpg and the engine is a true multi-fuel capable. Primary is diesel but it will run on damn near anything including gasoline, ethonal and even what American's fondly call beer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Neither .
The military versions are called HMMV , which people tend to sound as HumVee .
The GM product is called H1/H2/H3 Hummer and is based upon the Chevy Suburban Platform .
Mainly the entire division is a marketing drone 's wet dream as the best Mileage I 've seen listed for the Hummer was 12MPG on the highway .
Simply put , what killed the division is the low mileage and fuel guzzler tax here in the states because the vehicles simply could n't get any mileage at all unlike the Real HMMV , that avgs .
20 + mpg and the engine is a true multi-fuel capable .
Primary is diesel but it will run on damn near anything including gasoline , ethonal and even what American 's fondly call beer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Neither.
The military versions are called HMMV, which people tend to sound as HumVee.
The GM product is called H1/H2/H3 Hummer and is based upon the Chevy Suburban Platform.
Mainly the entire division is a marketing drone's wet dream as the best Mileage I've seen listed for the Hummer was 12MPG on the highway.
Simply put, what killed the division is the low mileage and fuel guzzler tax here in the states because the vehicles simply couldn't get any mileage at all unlike the Real HMMV, that avgs.
20+mpg and the engine is a true multi-fuel capable.
Primary is diesel but it will run on damn near anything including gasoline, ethonal and even what American's fondly call beer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28198917</id>
	<title>Re:[Insert Small-Asian-Penis Joke Here]</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244056800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am an American of Asian descent, and I would love to read Slashdot without having to see these racist and hurtful comments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am an American of Asian descent , and I would love to read Slashdot without having to see these racist and hurtful comments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am an American of Asian descent, and I would love to read Slashdot without having to see these racist and hurtful comments.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189311</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189891</id>
	<title>The missing part?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243947420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The original post has</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Before you worry about soldiers of US army and marines riding on Chinese made jeeps, you should also note that GM China has made recorded sales in China, despite of its parent's woe in the US. I personally did notice quite a lot more Buick's running in the city of Shenzhen than on the streets of California. When I was over there, I owned a Buick myself which was made in China but with US-made engines and transmissions; whereas i own a Japanese car here in California. Strange world.</p></div><p>Why is it edited away? Is / . censoring our post, because the news of american company doing well in China does not fit the site's editorial agenda?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The original post hasBefore you worry about soldiers of US army and marines riding on Chinese made jeeps , you should also note that GM China has made recorded sales in China , despite of its parent 's woe in the US .
I personally did notice quite a lot more Buick 's running in the city of Shenzhen than on the streets of California .
When I was over there , I owned a Buick myself which was made in China but with US-made engines and transmissions ; whereas i own a Japanese car here in California .
Strange world.Why is it edited away ?
Is / .
censoring our post , because the news of american company doing well in China does not fit the site 's editorial agenda ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original post hasBefore you worry about soldiers of US army and marines riding on Chinese made jeeps, you should also note that GM China has made recorded sales in China, despite of its parent's woe in the US.
I personally did notice quite a lot more Buick's running in the city of Shenzhen than on the streets of California.
When I was over there, I owned a Buick myself which was made in China but with US-made engines and transmissions; whereas i own a Japanese car here in California.
Strange world.Why is it edited away?
Is / .
censoring our post, because the news of american company doing well in China does not fit the site's editorial agenda?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28194543</id>
	<title>Re:Are they going to still be sold here?</title>
	<author>cbiltcliffe</author>
	<datestamp>1244038380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Huh?</p><p>GM didn't buy Saturn.  It was a new division that was developed completely in house, with completely dedicated platforms, engines, and factories.</p><p>It didn't "turn to crap" after GM bought them, because GM didn't buy them.  It was crap for a few years after GM first released them, just like every new car is crap and has various bugs and issues to work out.</p><p>And considering this was a new car from the ground up, it's not exactly surprising that there were problems.</p><p>Incidentally, I owned a 1998 Saturn for six years, and it never gave me an serious problems.  I'd still be driving it, but some idiot in a full-size pickup turned left across the front of me and I T-boned him at close to 80km/h.  Totalled the car, and I walked away from it.  The guy in the truck was hurt worse than I was.  Which tells you something about the quality and safety of this car...</p><p>It really pisses me off when some dope comes out with crap about some company (not that I'm not the first in line to bash corporate stupidity, mind you) when it's obvious they know nothing about them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh ? GM did n't buy Saturn .
It was a new division that was developed completely in house , with completely dedicated platforms , engines , and factories.It did n't " turn to crap " after GM bought them , because GM did n't buy them .
It was crap for a few years after GM first released them , just like every new car is crap and has various bugs and issues to work out.And considering this was a new car from the ground up , it 's not exactly surprising that there were problems.Incidentally , I owned a 1998 Saturn for six years , and it never gave me an serious problems .
I 'd still be driving it , but some idiot in a full-size pickup turned left across the front of me and I T-boned him at close to 80km/h .
Totalled the car , and I walked away from it .
The guy in the truck was hurt worse than I was .
Which tells you something about the quality and safety of this car...It really pisses me off when some dope comes out with crap about some company ( not that I 'm not the first in line to bash corporate stupidity , mind you ) when it 's obvious they know nothing about them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh?GM didn't buy Saturn.
It was a new division that was developed completely in house, with completely dedicated platforms, engines, and factories.It didn't "turn to crap" after GM bought them, because GM didn't buy them.
It was crap for a few years after GM first released them, just like every new car is crap and has various bugs and issues to work out.And considering this was a new car from the ground up, it's not exactly surprising that there were problems.Incidentally, I owned a 1998 Saturn for six years, and it never gave me an serious problems.
I'd still be driving it, but some idiot in a full-size pickup turned left across the front of me and I T-boned him at close to 80km/h.
Totalled the car, and I walked away from it.
The guy in the truck was hurt worse than I was.
Which tells you something about the quality and safety of this car...It really pisses me off when some dope comes out with crap about some company (not that I'm not the first in line to bash corporate stupidity, mind you) when it's obvious they know nothing about them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28202679</id>
	<title>GM did not buy Saturn</title>
	<author>sjbe</author>
	<datestamp>1244028600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's pretty clear that the Saturn product turned to crap after GM bought Saturn.  It's pretty clear that the Saturn product turned to crap after GM bought Saturn.</p></div><p>GM did not buy Saturn.  Saturn was started in 1985 as a subsidiary of GM in order to compete with the perceived Japanese threat.  It did well for a while but eventually was ignored by GM and starved of capital for years.  Saturn has ALWAYS been a part of GM from the moment it was founded.  It was operated outside the normal GM reporting structure for a while but the owner was GM.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's pretty clear that the Saturn product turned to crap after GM bought Saturn .
It 's pretty clear that the Saturn product turned to crap after GM bought Saturn.GM did not buy Saturn .
Saturn was started in 1985 as a subsidiary of GM in order to compete with the perceived Japanese threat .
It did well for a while but eventually was ignored by GM and starved of capital for years .
Saturn has ALWAYS been a part of GM from the moment it was founded .
It was operated outside the normal GM reporting structure for a while but the owner was GM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's pretty clear that the Saturn product turned to crap after GM bought Saturn.
It's pretty clear that the Saturn product turned to crap after GM bought Saturn.GM did not buy Saturn.
Saturn was started in 1985 as a subsidiary of GM in order to compete with the perceived Japanese threat.
It did well for a while but eventually was ignored by GM and starved of capital for years.
Saturn has ALWAYS been a part of GM from the moment it was founded.
It was operated outside the normal GM reporting structure for a while but the owner was GM.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190371</id>
	<title>Jobs losses were inevitable</title>
	<author>sjbe</author>
	<datestamp>1243950660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So they will trot out that they saved 3,000 or so jobs.</p> </div><p>A little cynical are we?  The job loses at GM are going to be in the many tens of thousands.  GM is closing 14 plants and 3 distribution centers.  That is a HUGE number of workers getting pink slips and it won't stop there.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>What about the 100,000 plus jobs lost when all the dealerships are being forced to close, even ones who make a profit? A considerable number, if not the majority, of dealerships being punted are profitable.</p></div><p>What about them?  GM has been hemorrhaging money for years so these dealerships have been getting a free ride for some time.  GM almost certainly has WAY more dealerships than it actually needs and that means it is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalization#In\_Retail\_business" title="wikipedia.org">cannibalizing sales</a> [wikipedia.org] and hurting profit margins both for the dealers and for GM.  It costs money to support those dealerships and many of them are not well run operations.  It's a lot easier to control the quality of customer service with fewer dealerships.  Toyota has far fewer dealerships and every year gets better customer service ratings than most if not all GM divisions.  Some sort of contraction was virtually inevitable.  That in no way minimizes the unfortunate nature of what has occurred but it is not even remotely a surprise.</p><p>If you really want to see where the trouble is happening by the way look at the auto suppliers.  Visteon declared bankruptcy and there will be plenty more besides.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So they will trot out that they saved 3,000 or so jobs .
A little cynical are we ?
The job loses at GM are going to be in the many tens of thousands .
GM is closing 14 plants and 3 distribution centers .
That is a HUGE number of workers getting pink slips and it wo n't stop there.What about the 100,000 plus jobs lost when all the dealerships are being forced to close , even ones who make a profit ?
A considerable number , if not the majority , of dealerships being punted are profitable.What about them ?
GM has been hemorrhaging money for years so these dealerships have been getting a free ride for some time .
GM almost certainly has WAY more dealerships than it actually needs and that means it is cannibalizing sales [ wikipedia.org ] and hurting profit margins both for the dealers and for GM .
It costs money to support those dealerships and many of them are not well run operations .
It 's a lot easier to control the quality of customer service with fewer dealerships .
Toyota has far fewer dealerships and every year gets better customer service ratings than most if not all GM divisions .
Some sort of contraction was virtually inevitable .
That in no way minimizes the unfortunate nature of what has occurred but it is not even remotely a surprise.If you really want to see where the trouble is happening by the way look at the auto suppliers .
Visteon declared bankruptcy and there will be plenty more besides .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they will trot out that they saved 3,000 or so jobs.
A little cynical are we?
The job loses at GM are going to be in the many tens of thousands.
GM is closing 14 plants and 3 distribution centers.
That is a HUGE number of workers getting pink slips and it won't stop there.What about the 100,000 plus jobs lost when all the dealerships are being forced to close, even ones who make a profit?
A considerable number, if not the majority, of dealerships being punted are profitable.What about them?
GM has been hemorrhaging money for years so these dealerships have been getting a free ride for some time.
GM almost certainly has WAY more dealerships than it actually needs and that means it is cannibalizing sales [wikipedia.org] and hurting profit margins both for the dealers and for GM.
It costs money to support those dealerships and many of them are not well run operations.
It's a lot easier to control the quality of customer service with fewer dealerships.
Toyota has far fewer dealerships and every year gets better customer service ratings than most if not all GM divisions.
Some sort of contraction was virtually inevitable.
That in no way minimizes the unfortunate nature of what has occurred but it is not even remotely a surprise.If you really want to see where the trouble is happening by the way look at the auto suppliers.
Visteon declared bankruptcy and there will be plenty more besides.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28193011</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>Ihlosi</author>
	<datestamp>1244020920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>even what American's fondly call beer.</i> <p>

What, are you saying that there's a car that runs on water?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>even what American 's fondly call beer .
What , are you saying that there 's a car that runs on water ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>even what American's fondly call beer.
What, are you saying that there's a car that runs on water?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191375</id>
	<title>Re:Heads aspode</title>
	<author>CruisinAdam</author>
	<datestamp>1243959300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And designed by American engineers? In a building staffed with American IT professionals? So we keep a few manufacturing jobs and send all of our high-tech jobs over to Japan? It's a free country. Buy whatever car you want. But don't pass it off as your American duty to buy imports. That's just silly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And designed by American engineers ?
In a building staffed with American IT professionals ?
So we keep a few manufacturing jobs and send all of our high-tech jobs over to Japan ?
It 's a free country .
Buy whatever car you want .
But do n't pass it off as your American duty to buy imports .
That 's just silly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And designed by American engineers?
In a building staffed with American IT professionals?
So we keep a few manufacturing jobs and send all of our high-tech jobs over to Japan?
It's a free country.
Buy whatever car you want.
But don't pass it off as your American duty to buy imports.
That's just silly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28192245</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot: STOP CENSORING my post!</title>
	<author>sethstorm</author>
	<datestamp>1243968720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unlike the Buicks of China, the US ones have actual power to them.  Find a slave-labor built Chinese Buick with a 3800, and I'll say it's a one-off copy.  Enjoy your mysterious head gasket failures at 40,000 miles.</p><p>They're just poor copies of the Real McCoy, undeserving of the Buick name.</p><p>As for the folks who bought anything with the N* engines, the joke's on you.  Hopefully you're not at the wrong end of a slave labor camp uprising and the engine blows as they reach you; I'd consider it karmic justice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unlike the Buicks of China , the US ones have actual power to them .
Find a slave-labor built Chinese Buick with a 3800 , and I 'll say it 's a one-off copy .
Enjoy your mysterious head gasket failures at 40,000 miles.They 're just poor copies of the Real McCoy , undeserving of the Buick name.As for the folks who bought anything with the N * engines , the joke 's on you .
Hopefully you 're not at the wrong end of a slave labor camp uprising and the engine blows as they reach you ; I 'd consider it karmic justice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unlike the Buicks of China, the US ones have actual power to them.
Find a slave-labor built Chinese Buick with a 3800, and I'll say it's a one-off copy.
Enjoy your mysterious head gasket failures at 40,000 miles.They're just poor copies of the Real McCoy, undeserving of the Buick name.As for the folks who bought anything with the N* engines, the joke's on you.
Hopefully you're not at the wrong end of a slave labor camp uprising and the engine blows as they reach you; I'd consider it karmic justice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28194659</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot: STOP CENSORING my post!</title>
	<author>Malc</author>
	<datestamp>1244039040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would guess that there is a Buick factory in Shenzhen.  It seems that Chinese cities seem to grant companies monopolies if they agree to building a factory.  Shanghai is very VW (every taxi seems to be a VW Satana), as is Hangzhou (every taxi seems to be a VW Passat).</p><p>A Chinese colleague of mine in Hangzhou bought a used Buick, which at the exchange rate was more expensive than if he'd bought it Stateside.  This is amazing, especially considering he's earning 25\% of what our engineers in California earn, and thus that the relative costs of petrol and insurance are also much higher.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would guess that there is a Buick factory in Shenzhen .
It seems that Chinese cities seem to grant companies monopolies if they agree to building a factory .
Shanghai is very VW ( every taxi seems to be a VW Satana ) , as is Hangzhou ( every taxi seems to be a VW Passat ) .A Chinese colleague of mine in Hangzhou bought a used Buick , which at the exchange rate was more expensive than if he 'd bought it Stateside .
This is amazing , especially considering he 's earning 25 \ % of what our engineers in California earn , and thus that the relative costs of petrol and insurance are also much higher .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would guess that there is a Buick factory in Shenzhen.
It seems that Chinese cities seem to grant companies monopolies if they agree to building a factory.
Shanghai is very VW (every taxi seems to be a VW Satana), as is Hangzhou (every taxi seems to be a VW Passat).A Chinese colleague of mine in Hangzhou bought a used Buick, which at the exchange rate was more expensive than if he'd bought it Stateside.
This is amazing, especially considering he's earning 25\% of what our engineers in California earn, and thus that the relative costs of petrol and insurance are also much higher.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191879</id>
	<title>Re:Great news!</title>
	<author>Burning1</author>
	<datestamp>1243964040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dealer network is still going to be American. So, you'll probably be stuck buying your hummers from fat truck guys, as per usual.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dealer network is still going to be American .
So , you 'll probably be stuck buying your hummers from fat truck guys , as per usual .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dealer network is still going to be American.
So, you'll probably be stuck buying your hummers from fat truck guys, as per usual.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28196319</id>
	<title>Oh! me sooo horny!</title>
	<author>macdaddy357</author>
	<datestamp>1244046180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Chinese hummer for Joe? Five dollar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chinese hummer for Joe ?
Five dollar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chinese hummer for Joe?
Five dollar.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28190473</id>
	<title>Re:So, who makes HumVees?</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1243951560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Current Hummers have absolutely nothing in common with Humvees except for general similarity in styling/look (plus made appropriately shitty by chrome/etc. for general consumption)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Current Hummers have absolutely nothing in common with Humvees except for general similarity in styling/look ( plus made appropriately shitty by chrome/etc .
for general consumption )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Current Hummers have absolutely nothing in common with Humvees except for general similarity in styling/look (plus made appropriately shitty by chrome/etc.
for general consumption)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28191399</id>
	<title>Hope and Change</title>
	<author>chasisaac</author>
	<datestamp>1243959420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So how is that hope and change working out for you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So how is that hope and change working out for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So how is that hope and change working out for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_2117247.28189309</id>
	<title>America...</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1243943940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>America's classic redneck, blow-hard, compensation-for-a-little-something vehicle is being sold to China?
<br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...It's official, America has truly collapsed and is now on the third-world countries list.</htmltext>
<tokenext>America 's classic redneck , blow-hard , compensation-for-a-little-something vehicle is being sold to China ?
...It 's official , America has truly collapsed and is now on the third-world countries list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America's classic redneck, blow-hard, compensation-for-a-little-something vehicle is being sold to China?
...It's official, America has truly collapsed and is now on the third-world countries list.</sentencetext>
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