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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_02_1332222</id>
	<title>What Data Recovery Tools Do the Pros Use?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1243952340000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:hypercube33@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow">Life2Death</a> writes <i>"I've been working with computers for a long time, and every once and a while someone close to me has a drive go belly up on them. I know there are big, expensive recovery houses that specialize in mission-critical data recovery, like if your house blew up and you have millions of files you need or something, but for the local IT group, what do you guys use? Given that most people are on NTFS (Windows XP) by the numbers, what would you use? I found a ton of tools when I googled, and everyone and their brother suggests something else, so I want to know what software 'just works' on most recoveries of bad, but partially working hard drives. Free software always has a warm spot in my heart."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Life2Death writes " I 've been working with computers for a long time , and every once and a while someone close to me has a drive go belly up on them .
I know there are big , expensive recovery houses that specialize in mission-critical data recovery , like if your house blew up and you have millions of files you need or something , but for the local IT group , what do you guys use ?
Given that most people are on NTFS ( Windows XP ) by the numbers , what would you use ?
I found a ton of tools when I googled , and everyone and their brother suggests something else , so I want to know what software 'just works ' on most recoveries of bad , but partially working hard drives .
Free software always has a warm spot in my heart .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Life2Death writes "I've been working with computers for a long time, and every once and a while someone close to me has a drive go belly up on them.
I know there are big, expensive recovery houses that specialize in mission-critical data recovery, like if your house blew up and you have millions of files you need or something, but for the local IT group, what do you guys use?
Given that most people are on NTFS (Windows XP) by the numbers, what would you use?
I found a ton of tools when I googled, and everyone and their brother suggests something else, so I want to know what software 'just works' on most recoveries of bad, but partially working hard drives.
Free software always has a warm spot in my heart.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185003</id>
	<title>Gibson's SpinRite</title>
	<author>swschrad</author>
	<datestamp>1243968300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if the disk is jangling like a janitor's key ring, it won't work.  if the chips are fried, it won't work.</p><p>under any other conditions, SpinRite is just freakin' amazing in what it can do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if the disk is jangling like a janitor 's key ring , it wo n't work .
if the chips are fried , it wo n't work.under any other conditions , SpinRite is just freakin ' amazing in what it can do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if the disk is jangling like a janitor's key ring, it won't work.
if the chips are fried, it won't work.under any other conditions, SpinRite is just freakin' amazing in what it can do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28188193</id>
	<title>Try this SANS course: Drive and Data Recovery F...</title>
	<author>I)\_MaLaClYpSe\_(I</author>
	<datestamp>1243938600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.sans.org/training/description.php?mid=1237" title="sans.org">SECURITY 606: </a> [sans.org]<a href="http://www.sans.org/training/description.php?mid=1237" title="sans.org">http://www.sans.org/training/description.php?mid=1237</a> [sans.org]  <p>

One thing that nobody seems to have mentioned yet is freezer trick. If the drive is just not spinning anymore (and you do not hear a click of death), just throw your drive in a ziplock bag into the freezer for a couple of hours. Often times it will then run long enough to make a bit-to-bit (dd) copy as others already mentioned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SECURITY 606 : [ sans.org ] http : //www.sans.org/training/description.php ? mid = 1237 [ sans.org ] One thing that nobody seems to have mentioned yet is freezer trick .
If the drive is just not spinning anymore ( and you do not hear a click of death ) , just throw your drive in a ziplock bag into the freezer for a couple of hours .
Often times it will then run long enough to make a bit-to-bit ( dd ) copy as others already mentioned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SECURITY 606:  [sans.org]http://www.sans.org/training/description.php?mid=1237 [sans.org]  

One thing that nobody seems to have mentioned yet is freezer trick.
If the drive is just not spinning anymore (and you do not hear a click of death), just throw your drive in a ziplock bag into the freezer for a couple of hours.
Often times it will then run long enough to make a bit-to-bit (dd) copy as others already mentioned.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28190901</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243955040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Get Data Back works very well.</p></div><p>I second the recommendation for Get Data Back.  It's not very expensive, &amp; is 1 of the few programs I've actually forked over $ for.   Last I checked you could get a version for FAT32, the one for NTFS or both for a discount.  You've gotta have another drive to use to copy the files the program retrieves off the drive w/ the damaged filesystem... It's a cinch to use...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get Data Back works very well.I second the recommendation for Get Data Back .
It 's not very expensive , &amp; is 1 of the few programs I 've actually forked over $ for .
Last I checked you could get a version for FAT32 , the one for NTFS or both for a discount .
You 've got ta have another drive to use to copy the files the program retrieves off the drive w/ the damaged filesystem... It 's a cinch to use.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get Data Back works very well.I second the recommendation for Get Data Back.
It's not very expensive, &amp; is 1 of the few programs I've actually forked over $ for.
Last I checked you could get a version for FAT32, the one for NTFS or both for a discount.
You've gotta have another drive to use to copy the files the program retrieves off the drive w/ the damaged filesystem... It's a cinch to use...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181769</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28202227</id>
	<title>IBM Tivoli Storage Manager</title>
	<author>lbalbalba</author>
	<datestamp>1244026860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, IBM Tivoli Storage Manager <a href="http://www-01.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/storage-mgr/" title="ibm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www-01.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/storage-mgr/</a> [ibm.com], formerly Adstar, is used by many large corporations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , IBM Tivoli Storage Manager http : //www-01.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/storage-mgr/ [ ibm.com ] , formerly Adstar , is used by many large corporations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, IBM Tivoli Storage Manager http://www-01.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/storage-mgr/ [ibm.com], formerly Adstar, is used by many large corporations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182821</id>
	<title>Pros before Hos...</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1243959420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If your a Pro you back up all your important data anyway, so it is a moot point. Likely you even have some remote back up. There are services out there. Use Google, it ain't hard. In a pinch you can just email yourself some attachments in Gmail. Not good for media files or anything large, but if you want to save some key documents or your tax returns etc... Privacy may be an issue, but if your really prickly about that, then just encrypt it (though make sure you can decrypt easily later).</p><p>If it is a friend or family member who has just lost everything: Look very superior, point at them, remind them they should have backed up, and how stupid it is not to do so, then laugh at them for a while. Once your eyes clear of tears, repeat. After 4 or 5 times maybe it might sink in, and you will have done them a great service. Send them a bill in the mail.</p><p>Harsh I know, but come on, this has been cannon for years, get with the program.</p><p>Honestly though most people's computers are totally full of crap. There are some things like Personal files, Photos, and the like that are irreplaceable, but most stuff is just media you can replace, or software you can replace, etc... and if it is important to you, then back it up for god sakes.</p><p>Seriously, if you save their data you are just re-enforcing and rewarding bad behavior.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If your a Pro you back up all your important data anyway , so it is a moot point .
Likely you even have some remote back up .
There are services out there .
Use Google , it ai n't hard .
In a pinch you can just email yourself some attachments in Gmail .
Not good for media files or anything large , but if you want to save some key documents or your tax returns etc... Privacy may be an issue , but if your really prickly about that , then just encrypt it ( though make sure you can decrypt easily later ) .If it is a friend or family member who has just lost everything : Look very superior , point at them , remind them they should have backed up , and how stupid it is not to do so , then laugh at them for a while .
Once your eyes clear of tears , repeat .
After 4 or 5 times maybe it might sink in , and you will have done them a great service .
Send them a bill in the mail.Harsh I know , but come on , this has been cannon for years , get with the program.Honestly though most people 's computers are totally full of crap .
There are some things like Personal files , Photos , and the like that are irreplaceable , but most stuff is just media you can replace , or software you can replace , etc... and if it is important to you , then back it up for god sakes.Seriously , if you save their data you are just re-enforcing and rewarding bad behavior .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If your a Pro you back up all your important data anyway, so it is a moot point.
Likely you even have some remote back up.
There are services out there.
Use Google, it ain't hard.
In a pinch you can just email yourself some attachments in Gmail.
Not good for media files or anything large, but if you want to save some key documents or your tax returns etc... Privacy may be an issue, but if your really prickly about that, then just encrypt it (though make sure you can decrypt easily later).If it is a friend or family member who has just lost everything: Look very superior, point at them, remind them they should have backed up, and how stupid it is not to do so, then laugh at them for a while.
Once your eyes clear of tears, repeat.
After 4 or 5 times maybe it might sink in, and you will have done them a great service.
Send them a bill in the mail.Harsh I know, but come on, this has been cannon for years, get with the program.Honestly though most people's computers are totally full of crap.
There are some things like Personal files, Photos, and the like that are irreplaceable, but most stuff is just media you can replace, or software you can replace, etc... and if it is important to you, then back it up for god sakes.Seriously, if you save their data you are just re-enforcing and rewarding bad behavior.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181845</id>
	<title>None!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Real professionals never lose their data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Real professionals never lose their data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real professionals never lose their data.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28191059</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>Exception Duck</author>
	<datestamp>1243956780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It has saved my data many times.</p></div><p>Maybe a backup solution would do you nicely as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It has saved my data many times.Maybe a backup solution would do you nicely as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has saved my data many times.Maybe a backup solution would do you nicely as well.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181877</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183931</id>
	<title>Re:GetDataBack</title>
	<author>Onymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1243963800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another "me too" here.</p><p>Lost a partition to corruption (had extended partition to &gt; 136G without updating W2K service pack to handle it; worked fine for months until I started to fill up the disk).  My data was mincemeat, but GetDataBack helped me get what I could.</p><p>Customer service is excellent.  The developer is very responsive in the forums.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another " me too " here.Lost a partition to corruption ( had extended partition to &gt; 136G without updating W2K service pack to handle it ; worked fine for months until I started to fill up the disk ) .
My data was mincemeat , but GetDataBack helped me get what I could.Customer service is excellent .
The developer is very responsive in the forums .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another "me too" here.Lost a partition to corruption (had extended partition to &gt; 136G without updating W2K service pack to handle it; worked fine for months until I started to fill up the disk).
My data was mincemeat, but GetDataBack helped me get what I could.Customer service is excellent.
The developer is very responsive in the forums.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181807</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184097</id>
	<title>Just keep up with your backups</title>
	<author>adosch</author>
	<datestamp>1243964580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At the gov't facility I work at, we back up everything to prepare for any bare-metal recovery using EMC's Legato Networker; it's expensive, but it works, and tax dollars pay for it.  Just depends on your environment, and technological and idealogical approach I guess.  Since we do regular, monthly full-server offsites, nightly incrementals and any mission critical data (that's in the hundreds of terrbytes) we have ship it to another computer room which houses a STK tape silo for long-term archive, I've never had the need to use data analysis/recovery tools because just doing regular backups have a 99.9\% retention for us to get back anything we want.  And it's not just small talk; our datacenter has a UPS backup power failure and took out a few critical servers, one being our operational Oracle database server.  With the DBAs cold backups and our bare-metal recovery to repair the awry ext3 filesystem, we had zero data loss other than what wasn't commited journaling and database wise with the power outage hit.

A lot of people said it on here; if you back up your important stuff and keep up with the cycle, there should be no question that getting what you need back that has great importance should be anything less than a trivial, minute manner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the gov't facility I work at , we back up everything to prepare for any bare-metal recovery using EMC 's Legato Networker ; it 's expensive , but it works , and tax dollars pay for it .
Just depends on your environment , and technological and idealogical approach I guess .
Since we do regular , monthly full-server offsites , nightly incrementals and any mission critical data ( that 's in the hundreds of terrbytes ) we have ship it to another computer room which houses a STK tape silo for long-term archive , I 've never had the need to use data analysis/recovery tools because just doing regular backups have a 99.9 \ % retention for us to get back anything we want .
And it 's not just small talk ; our datacenter has a UPS backup power failure and took out a few critical servers , one being our operational Oracle database server .
With the DBAs cold backups and our bare-metal recovery to repair the awry ext3 filesystem , we had zero data loss other than what was n't commited journaling and database wise with the power outage hit .
A lot of people said it on here ; if you back up your important stuff and keep up with the cycle , there should be no question that getting what you need back that has great importance should be anything less than a trivial , minute manner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the gov't facility I work at, we back up everything to prepare for any bare-metal recovery using EMC's Legato Networker; it's expensive, but it works, and tax dollars pay for it.
Just depends on your environment, and technological and idealogical approach I guess.
Since we do regular, monthly full-server offsites, nightly incrementals and any mission critical data (that's in the hundreds of terrbytes) we have ship it to another computer room which houses a STK tape silo for long-term archive, I've never had the need to use data analysis/recovery tools because just doing regular backups have a 99.9\% retention for us to get back anything we want.
And it's not just small talk; our datacenter has a UPS backup power failure and took out a few critical servers, one being our operational Oracle database server.
With the DBAs cold backups and our bare-metal recovery to repair the awry ext3 filesystem, we had zero data loss other than what wasn't commited journaling and database wise with the power outage hit.
A lot of people said it on here; if you back up your important stuff and keep up with the cycle, there should be no question that getting what you need back that has great importance should be anything less than a trivial, minute manner.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182121</id>
	<title>Data recovery for pros</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243957080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Leather straps, thumbscrews, jumper cables... there's plenty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Leather straps , thumbscrews , jumper cables... there 's plenty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leather straps, thumbscrews, jumper cables... there's plenty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28187527</id>
	<title>A streamlined and useful guide "recovery 101"</title>
	<author>UberMD</author>
	<datestamp>1243935900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This article has some great tips and a ~ stepwise algorithm on data recovery including recommendations on what tools to use and lots of links.
I use this every time I encounter someone who comes to me whinning of data loss, it always seems to get the job done. It was made by someone who had the same problem, now he just tells them 'here's a link, stop asking me'...
<p>
<a href="http://blog.econtech.selfip.org/2008/05/hard-drive-recovery-101/" title="selfip.org" rel="nofollow">http://blog.econtech.selfip.org/2008/05/hard-drive-recovery-101/</a> [selfip.org]
</p><p>
A short preview
</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."3) Make a copy of the hard drive. Once this is done, we can work on the copy and not worry about messing up the original data. Making a copy of the copy is not a bad idea. This is NOT a copy and paste operation. I&#226;(TM)m not sure if the best way of doing this is even possible under Windows. Never fear, though. Just download ubuntu, burn it to disk, and boot it up. We don&#226;(TM)t need to install it, just run it in &#226;live&#226;(TM) mode. If you are using Apple/OSX, this step can also be done with MacPorts. Technically, you can also install in cygwin on Windows, but I find installing cygwin more difficult than just grabbing the ubuntu live cd, so we are going down that path.
1) Enable universe in Ubuntu&#226;(TM)s repository and update the package database
2) Install GNU&#226;(TM)s ddrescue (sudo apt-get install gddrescue). Note, this is not the same thing as the original dd\_rescue (ddrescue in apt) or dd\_rhelp. GNU&#226;(TM)s ddrescue is like dd\_rescue + dd\_rhelp, only written in C instead of the sh frontend that dd\_rhelp gives you.
3) Figure out which hard drive is the one you want to recover and the one you want to write the copy to. cfdisk and file will be your friends in this area. (Amusingly, it turns out fdisk (which I&#226;(TM)ve always used) should be avoided, from the fdisk man page: &#226;oefdisk is a buggy program that does fuzzy things - usually it happens to produce reasonable results. Its single advantage is that it has some support for BSD disk labels and other non-DOS partition tables. Avoid it if you can.&#226;). For now on, assume hda is the troubled device, and that the current directory is a folder on a drive that has the capacity equal to or greater than hda.
4) In your workspace, make a copy of the partition table (cfdisk -P t<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/hda &gt; hda.part). This will come in handy. I have seen this return non-sense results in OSX. Don&#226;(TM)t know why, but it is actually less important there (continue reading for why).".......</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This article has some great tips and a ~ stepwise algorithm on data recovery including recommendations on what tools to use and lots of links .
I use this every time I encounter someone who comes to me whinning of data loss , it always seems to get the job done .
It was made by someone who had the same problem , now he just tells them 'here 's a link , stop asking me'.. . http : //blog.econtech.selfip.org/2008/05/hard-drive-recovery-101/ [ selfip.org ] A short preview ... " 3 ) Make a copy of the hard drive .
Once this is done , we can work on the copy and not worry about messing up the original data .
Making a copy of the copy is not a bad idea .
This is NOT a copy and paste operation .
I   ( TM ) m not sure if the best way of doing this is even possible under Windows .
Never fear , though .
Just download ubuntu , burn it to disk , and boot it up .
We don   ( TM ) t need to install it , just run it in   live   ( TM ) mode .
If you are using Apple/OSX , this step can also be done with MacPorts .
Technically , you can also install in cygwin on Windows , but I find installing cygwin more difficult than just grabbing the ubuntu live cd , so we are going down that path .
1 ) Enable universe in Ubuntu   ( TM ) s repository and update the package database 2 ) Install GNU   ( TM ) s ddrescue ( sudo apt-get install gddrescue ) .
Note , this is not the same thing as the original dd \ _rescue ( ddrescue in apt ) or dd \ _rhelp .
GNU   ( TM ) s ddrescue is like dd \ _rescue + dd \ _rhelp , only written in C instead of the sh frontend that dd \ _rhelp gives you .
3 ) Figure out which hard drive is the one you want to recover and the one you want to write the copy to .
cfdisk and file will be your friends in this area .
( Amusingly , it turns out fdisk ( which I   ( TM ) ve always used ) should be avoided , from the fdisk man page :   oefdisk is a buggy program that does fuzzy things - usually it happens to produce reasonable results .
Its single advantage is that it has some support for BSD disk labels and other non-DOS partition tables .
Avoid it if you can.   ) .
For now on , assume hda is the troubled device , and that the current directory is a folder on a drive that has the capacity equal to or greater than hda .
4 ) In your workspace , make a copy of the partition table ( cfdisk -P t /dev/hda &gt; hda.part ) .
This will come in handy .
I have seen this return non-sense results in OSX .
Don   ( TM ) t know why , but it is actually less important there ( continue reading for why ) .
" ...... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article has some great tips and a ~ stepwise algorithm on data recovery including recommendations on what tools to use and lots of links.
I use this every time I encounter someone who comes to me whinning of data loss, it always seems to get the job done.
It was made by someone who had the same problem, now he just tells them 'here's a link, stop asking me'...

http://blog.econtech.selfip.org/2008/05/hard-drive-recovery-101/ [selfip.org]

A short preview
 ..."3) Make a copy of the hard drive.
Once this is done, we can work on the copy and not worry about messing up the original data.
Making a copy of the copy is not a bad idea.
This is NOT a copy and paste operation.
Iâ(TM)m not sure if the best way of doing this is even possible under Windows.
Never fear, though.
Just download ubuntu, burn it to disk, and boot it up.
We donâ(TM)t need to install it, just run it in âliveâ(TM) mode.
If you are using Apple/OSX, this step can also be done with MacPorts.
Technically, you can also install in cygwin on Windows, but I find installing cygwin more difficult than just grabbing the ubuntu live cd, so we are going down that path.
1) Enable universe in Ubuntuâ(TM)s repository and update the package database
2) Install GNUâ(TM)s ddrescue (sudo apt-get install gddrescue).
Note, this is not the same thing as the original dd\_rescue (ddrescue in apt) or dd\_rhelp.
GNUâ(TM)s ddrescue is like dd\_rescue + dd\_rhelp, only written in C instead of the sh frontend that dd\_rhelp gives you.
3) Figure out which hard drive is the one you want to recover and the one you want to write the copy to.
cfdisk and file will be your friends in this area.
(Amusingly, it turns out fdisk (which Iâ(TM)ve always used) should be avoided, from the fdisk man page: âoefdisk is a buggy program that does fuzzy things - usually it happens to produce reasonable results.
Its single advantage is that it has some support for BSD disk labels and other non-DOS partition tables.
Avoid it if you can.â).
For now on, assume hda is the troubled device, and that the current directory is a folder on a drive that has the capacity equal to or greater than hda.
4) In your workspace, make a copy of the partition table (cfdisk -P t /dev/hda &gt; hda.part).
This will come in handy.
I have seen this return non-sense results in OSX.
Donâ(TM)t know why, but it is actually less important there (continue reading for why).
".......</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185883</id>
	<title>Magnetized needles</title>
	<author>razvan784</author>
	<datestamp>1243972080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://xkcd.com/378/" title="xkcd.com" rel="nofollow">A magnetized needle and a steady hand.</a> [xkcd.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>A magnetized needle and a steady hand .
[ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A magnetized needle and a steady hand.
[xkcd.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28186189</id>
	<title>Spinrite works miracles, even on RAID</title>
	<author>MasterOfGoingFaster</author>
	<datestamp>1243973400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Spinrite has become a standard part of my workflow.  When a PC comes in for maintenance, I run Spinrite on it overnight to remap bad or weak sectors.</p><p>I had to run it on a high end HP workstation with a set of RAID 0 (striped) SCSI320 drives.  This was one of those million dollar projects the engineer was working on, and had not copied his latest edits to the server.  He needed the performance of his local drives, so he was not being unreasonable in keeping the files local.  He forgot to copy the files to the server after a late night work session, and the workstation wouldn't boot the next morning.  Major panic.</p><p>Spinrite worked on it for a few hours and everything came right back.  Freaking amazing.  Easy too.</p><p>I have no association with GRC, I've just used the product since the early 90's.  I will not be without this product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Spinrite has become a standard part of my workflow .
When a PC comes in for maintenance , I run Spinrite on it overnight to remap bad or weak sectors.I had to run it on a high end HP workstation with a set of RAID 0 ( striped ) SCSI320 drives .
This was one of those million dollar projects the engineer was working on , and had not copied his latest edits to the server .
He needed the performance of his local drives , so he was not being unreasonable in keeping the files local .
He forgot to copy the files to the server after a late night work session , and the workstation would n't boot the next morning .
Major panic.Spinrite worked on it for a few hours and everything came right back .
Freaking amazing .
Easy too.I have no association with GRC , I 've just used the product since the early 90 's .
I will not be without this product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spinrite has become a standard part of my workflow.
When a PC comes in for maintenance, I run Spinrite on it overnight to remap bad or weak sectors.I had to run it on a high end HP workstation with a set of RAID 0 (striped) SCSI320 drives.
This was one of those million dollar projects the engineer was working on, and had not copied his latest edits to the server.
He needed the performance of his local drives, so he was not being unreasonable in keeping the files local.
He forgot to copy the files to the server after a late night work session, and the workstation wouldn't boot the next morning.
Major panic.Spinrite worked on it for a few hours and everything came right back.
Freaking amazing.
Easy too.I have no association with GRC, I've just used the product since the early 90's.
I will not be without this product.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182129</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184025</id>
	<title>The freezer</title>
	<author>naturaverl</author>
	<datestamp>1243964280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've had luck with recovery by using <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html" title="gnu.org" rel="nofollow">GNU ddrescue</a> [gnu.org] to first pull everything off the drive I can.  AFTER that, if there are still unrecovered sections of disk, it gets a little weird...  I have no idea why this works, but...  1) Unplug the drive &amp; let it cool to room temperature.  2)  Put it in the freezer.  3)  Wait an hour.  4)  wrap it in saran wrap (to prevent condensation).  5)  Hook it back up.  6)  If it doesn't spin up, wait 15 minutes and try again.  7)  Once it has spun up, run ddrescue again, using the previously generated log file to recover only the blocks that are still missing from the recovery file.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had luck with recovery by using GNU ddrescue [ gnu.org ] to first pull everything off the drive I can .
AFTER that , if there are still unrecovered sections of disk , it gets a little weird... I have no idea why this works , but... 1 ) Unplug the drive &amp; let it cool to room temperature .
2 ) Put it in the freezer .
3 ) Wait an hour .
4 ) wrap it in saran wrap ( to prevent condensation ) .
5 ) Hook it back up .
6 ) If it does n't spin up , wait 15 minutes and try again .
7 ) Once it has spun up , run ddrescue again , using the previously generated log file to recover only the blocks that are still missing from the recovery file .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had luck with recovery by using GNU ddrescue [gnu.org] to first pull everything off the drive I can.
AFTER that, if there are still unrecovered sections of disk, it gets a little weird...  I have no idea why this works, but...  1) Unplug the drive &amp; let it cool to room temperature.
2)  Put it in the freezer.
3)  Wait an hour.
4)  wrap it in saran wrap (to prevent condensation).
5)  Hook it back up.
6)  If it doesn't spin up, wait 15 minutes and try again.
7)  Once it has spun up, run ddrescue again, using the previously generated log file to recover only the blocks that are still missing from the recovery file.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28189469</id>
	<title>Project time?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243944780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm surprised nobody has come up with a dirty simple cheep: "mount a platter, (the cleaner the room the better) find an entry point, and dump the raw data to a target disk/other source"</p><p>it honestly can't be the hardest thing in the world to do, I mean the uses for such a beast would be pretty few and far between, and some sort of track mapping based on the vendor might be required, but it seems feasible to me!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised nobody has come up with a dirty simple cheep : " mount a platter , ( the cleaner the room the better ) find an entry point , and dump the raw data to a target disk/other source " it honestly ca n't be the hardest thing in the world to do , I mean the uses for such a beast would be pretty few and far between , and some sort of track mapping based on the vendor might be required , but it seems feasible to me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised nobody has come up with a dirty simple cheep: "mount a platter, (the cleaner the room the better) find an entry point, and dump the raw data to a target disk/other source"it honestly can't be the hardest thing in the world to do, I mean the uses for such a beast would be pretty few and far between, and some sort of track mapping based on the vendor might be required, but it seems feasible to me!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184625</id>
	<title>Re:Software</title>
	<author>miggyb</author>
	<datestamp>1243966740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree. Trinity Rescue Kit is all you need if you're getting your mother's vacations pictures from a hard drive that isn't fully dead yet. That and a <a href="http://geeksaresexy.blogspot.com/2006/01/freeze-your-hard-drive-to-recover-data.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">fridge</a> [blogspot.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
Trinity Rescue Kit is all you need if you 're getting your mother 's vacations pictures from a hard drive that is n't fully dead yet .
That and a fridge [ blogspot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
Trinity Rescue Kit is all you need if you're getting your mother's vacations pictures from a hard drive that isn't fully dead yet.
That and a fridge [blogspot.com]</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184447</id>
	<title>Re:dd</title>
	<author>Zakabog</author>
	<datestamp>1243966080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's exactly what I would do at my old job. I had one hard drive that I used for data recovery, I would dd using the bad drive as the input and the data recovery drive as the output, then you can do all the data recovery you want on the good drive. Sometimes I didn't even need to do anything else, and the recovery drive would have all of the files I needed in a readable form.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's exactly what I would do at my old job .
I had one hard drive that I used for data recovery , I would dd using the bad drive as the input and the data recovery drive as the output , then you can do all the data recovery you want on the good drive .
Sometimes I did n't even need to do anything else , and the recovery drive would have all of the files I needed in a readable form .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's exactly what I would do at my old job.
I had one hard drive that I used for data recovery, I would dd using the bad drive as the input and the data recovery drive as the output, then you can do all the data recovery you want on the good drive.
Sometimes I didn't even need to do anything else, and the recovery drive would have all of the files I needed in a readable form.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182015</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184611</id>
	<title>FTK Imager</title>
	<author>cl0secall</author>
	<datestamp>1243966680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTK Imager from AccessData (<a href="http://www.accessdata.com/downloads.html" title="accessdata.com" rel="nofollow">download page</a> [accessdata.com]) is free to download for windows and will carve partitions, files, and even file fragments from disk. It reads NTFS, HFS+, and ext2/3 filesystems. This is the same tool that's used by law enforcement when they image PCs for criminal cases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTK Imager from AccessData ( download page [ accessdata.com ] ) is free to download for windows and will carve partitions , files , and even file fragments from disk .
It reads NTFS , HFS + , and ext2/3 filesystems .
This is the same tool that 's used by law enforcement when they image PCs for criminal cases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTK Imager from AccessData (download page [accessdata.com]) is free to download for windows and will carve partitions, files, and even file fragments from disk.
It reads NTFS, HFS+, and ext2/3 filesystems.
This is the same tool that's used by law enforcement when they image PCs for criminal cases.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28188689</id>
	<title>Do NOT (easily) use Spinrite!</title>
	<author>I)\_MaLaClYpSe\_(I</author>
	<datestamp>1243940760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Disclaimer: this is a redundant posting but I wanted to make sure the author of the comment saw my post which quotes a blog entry by <i>Scott A. Moulton</i> who is a forensic and data recovery expert and currently teaches the <a href="http://www.sans.org/training/description.php?mid=1237" title="sans.org">SANS 606: Drive and Data Recovery Forensics</a> [sans.org] course.<p>

Quoted from <a href="http://www.myharddrivedied.com/weblog/why\_spinrite\_is\_not\_on\_my\_d.html" title="myharddrivedied.com">here</a> [myharddrivedied.com]:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Spinrite is not data recovery software.

I get many questions about why I left off Spinrite on my recommendations of recovery software. I specifically leave off Spinrite because under the strictest terms it is not data recovery software. Almost every single data recovery package knows, and will warn you not to write the data back to the original source drive. Data Recovery/Forensics software almost always recover from a source to a destination. Spinrite does not do that, it refreshes the surface and controls reads to get the maximum amount of data from the sectors and then puts it back down on the same drive. </p><p>

I think it does quite a few things very well and it does an excellent job at reporting and reading the SMART info and refreshing the surface of the hard drive. However, I would like to first try to get the data from the drive before scanning it and trying to rebuild sectors. There are many reasons for this, but the most important one being that the drive can die in the process of running Spinrite.  It is possible to do more damage to the drive by doing excessive read and writes. There are times that you only get once good chance at data and if you use a tool that just goes in and surgically removes the data you want BEFORE doing the scan you will be a lot safer.</p><p>

If I was going to use Spinrite, I would get everything I could off the drive to another destination first and then use Spinrite to try to get anything I could not repair (although I never have to with the tools I use). Another horrific story I have seen with drives sent to me, is that if Spinrite it runs successfully, people are under the impression that the drive is repaired and is usable again and continue to use it. Big mistake and it usually dies again shortly. On a Windows Hard Drive I would try NTFSExplorer/FatExplorer first in the hopes of doing a surgical recovery as oppose to spending days rewriting sectors in the hopes that my drive can live though it as Spinrite does. But for $80 it is well worth the attempt if you are going to do nothing else. Good Luck.</p><p>

Oct 6, 2008 11:26 PM</p></div><p>Also, you can find some very interesting papers/presentations/videos <a href="http://www.myharddrivedied.com/presentations/" title="myharddrivedied.com">here</a> [myharddrivedied.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Disclaimer : this is a redundant posting but I wanted to make sure the author of the comment saw my post which quotes a blog entry by Scott A. Moulton who is a forensic and data recovery expert and currently teaches the SANS 606 : Drive and Data Recovery Forensics [ sans.org ] course .
Quoted from here [ myharddrivedied.com ] : Spinrite is not data recovery software .
I get many questions about why I left off Spinrite on my recommendations of recovery software .
I specifically leave off Spinrite because under the strictest terms it is not data recovery software .
Almost every single data recovery package knows , and will warn you not to write the data back to the original source drive .
Data Recovery/Forensics software almost always recover from a source to a destination .
Spinrite does not do that , it refreshes the surface and controls reads to get the maximum amount of data from the sectors and then puts it back down on the same drive .
I think it does quite a few things very well and it does an excellent job at reporting and reading the SMART info and refreshing the surface of the hard drive .
However , I would like to first try to get the data from the drive before scanning it and trying to rebuild sectors .
There are many reasons for this , but the most important one being that the drive can die in the process of running Spinrite .
It is possible to do more damage to the drive by doing excessive read and writes .
There are times that you only get once good chance at data and if you use a tool that just goes in and surgically removes the data you want BEFORE doing the scan you will be a lot safer .
If I was going to use Spinrite , I would get everything I could off the drive to another destination first and then use Spinrite to try to get anything I could not repair ( although I never have to with the tools I use ) .
Another horrific story I have seen with drives sent to me , is that if Spinrite it runs successfully , people are under the impression that the drive is repaired and is usable again and continue to use it .
Big mistake and it usually dies again shortly .
On a Windows Hard Drive I would try NTFSExplorer/FatExplorer first in the hopes of doing a surgical recovery as oppose to spending days rewriting sectors in the hopes that my drive can live though it as Spinrite does .
But for $ 80 it is well worth the attempt if you are going to do nothing else .
Good Luck .
Oct 6 , 2008 11 : 26 PMAlso , you can find some very interesting papers/presentations/videos here [ myharddrivedied.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disclaimer: this is a redundant posting but I wanted to make sure the author of the comment saw my post which quotes a blog entry by Scott A. Moulton who is a forensic and data recovery expert and currently teaches the SANS 606: Drive and Data Recovery Forensics [sans.org] course.
Quoted from here [myharddrivedied.com]:Spinrite is not data recovery software.
I get many questions about why I left off Spinrite on my recommendations of recovery software.
I specifically leave off Spinrite because under the strictest terms it is not data recovery software.
Almost every single data recovery package knows, and will warn you not to write the data back to the original source drive.
Data Recovery/Forensics software almost always recover from a source to a destination.
Spinrite does not do that, it refreshes the surface and controls reads to get the maximum amount of data from the sectors and then puts it back down on the same drive.
I think it does quite a few things very well and it does an excellent job at reporting and reading the SMART info and refreshing the surface of the hard drive.
However, I would like to first try to get the data from the drive before scanning it and trying to rebuild sectors.
There are many reasons for this, but the most important one being that the drive can die in the process of running Spinrite.
It is possible to do more damage to the drive by doing excessive read and writes.
There are times that you only get once good chance at data and if you use a tool that just goes in and surgically removes the data you want BEFORE doing the scan you will be a lot safer.
If I was going to use Spinrite, I would get everything I could off the drive to another destination first and then use Spinrite to try to get anything I could not repair (although I never have to with the tools I use).
Another horrific story I have seen with drives sent to me, is that if Spinrite it runs successfully, people are under the impression that the drive is repaired and is usable again and continue to use it.
Big mistake and it usually dies again shortly.
On a Windows Hard Drive I would try NTFSExplorer/FatExplorer first in the hopes of doing a surgical recovery as oppose to spending days rewriting sectors in the hopes that my drive can live though it as Spinrite does.
But for $80 it is well worth the attempt if you are going to do nothing else.
Good Luck.
Oct 6, 2008 11:26 PMAlso, you can find some very interesting papers/presentations/videos here [myharddrivedied.com].
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182129</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183621</id>
	<title>Repair a clone of a clone</title>
	<author>seawall</author>
	<datestamp>1243962360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Assuming the disk works at all: Work on a clone, not the original.
<p>
If you are working on a 2nd generation clone you can afford to take risks in restoring
the filesystem. "Oh it that didn't work, fire up another clone and try something else".
</p><p>
ddrescue (and other damaged disk oriented cloners) lets you work on a copy (or in my preference: a copy of a copy). This preserves the original disk if it has to go to a specialist lab later.
</p><p>
SpinRite has also saved my bacon more than once but that's something run on the
original drive: not done lightly.
</p><p>
(Warning: dd\_rescue is not Gnu ddrescue and Debian Linuxes rename dd\_rescue to
          ddrescue. dd\_rescue is a similar but not identical).
</p><p>
Finally: I need to add Windows NTFS rescue (built in) impressed me last time I needed it. It trundled for many hours but at the end, I had a mostly intact copy of a filesystem on my 2nd generation cloned drive. The original disk had been a mess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Assuming the disk works at all : Work on a clone , not the original .
If you are working on a 2nd generation clone you can afford to take risks in restoring the filesystem .
" Oh it that did n't work , fire up another clone and try something else " .
ddrescue ( and other damaged disk oriented cloners ) lets you work on a copy ( or in my preference : a copy of a copy ) .
This preserves the original disk if it has to go to a specialist lab later .
SpinRite has also saved my bacon more than once but that 's something run on the original drive : not done lightly .
( Warning : dd \ _rescue is not Gnu ddrescue and Debian Linuxes rename dd \ _rescue to ddrescue .
dd \ _rescue is a similar but not identical ) .
Finally : I need to add Windows NTFS rescue ( built in ) impressed me last time I needed it .
It trundled for many hours but at the end , I had a mostly intact copy of a filesystem on my 2nd generation cloned drive .
The original disk had been a mess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assuming the disk works at all: Work on a clone, not the original.
If you are working on a 2nd generation clone you can afford to take risks in restoring
the filesystem.
"Oh it that didn't work, fire up another clone and try something else".
ddrescue (and other damaged disk oriented cloners) lets you work on a copy (or in my preference: a copy of a copy).
This preserves the original disk if it has to go to a specialist lab later.
SpinRite has also saved my bacon more than once but that's something run on the
original drive: not done lightly.
(Warning: dd\_rescue is not Gnu ddrescue and Debian Linuxes rename dd\_rescue to
          ddrescue.
dd\_rescue is a similar but not identical).
Finally: I need to add Windows NTFS rescue (built in) impressed me last time I needed it.
It trundled for many hours but at the end, I had a mostly intact copy of a filesystem on my 2nd generation cloned drive.
The original disk had been a mess.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181807</id>
	<title>GetDataBack</title>
	<author>sean\_nestor</author>
	<datestamp>1243956120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-software.htm" title="runtime.org">GetDataBack</a> [runtime.org] has worked perfectly for me many times. Very easy interface, works on deleted files as well as formatted disks (provided the data you want to recover hasn't been overwritten, of course). Worth the $79, IMO.</htmltext>
<tokenext>GetDataBack [ runtime.org ] has worked perfectly for me many times .
Very easy interface , works on deleted files as well as formatted disks ( provided the data you want to recover has n't been overwritten , of course ) .
Worth the $ 79 , IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GetDataBack [runtime.org] has worked perfectly for me many times.
Very easy interface, works on deleted files as well as formatted disks (provided the data you want to recover hasn't been overwritten, of course).
Worth the $79, IMO.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182955</id>
	<title>What Data Recovery Tools Do the Pros Use?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243959840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On our "recovery shop" we use a microscope,  a piece of paper and pencil.</p><p>Our 2000 monkeys^W recovery experts guarantee your data wil be recovered in 1 month, no mather the size of your drive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On our " recovery shop " we use a microscope , a piece of paper and pencil.Our 2000 monkeys ^ W recovery experts guarantee your data wil be recovered in 1 month , no mather the size of your drive : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On our "recovery shop" we use a microscope,  a piece of paper and pencil.Our 2000 monkeys^W recovery experts guarantee your data wil be recovered in 1 month, no mather the size of your drive :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184795</id>
	<title>Re:Spinrite works miracles</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1243967340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>SpinRite is no more capable of causing a head crash than Microsoft Excel is. If the heads crashed, they crashed. Don't blame SpinRite for it. That's like blaming a coolant failure for destroying your engine, when it fact it overheated because you ran out of oil.</htmltext>
<tokenext>SpinRite is no more capable of causing a head crash than Microsoft Excel is .
If the heads crashed , they crashed .
Do n't blame SpinRite for it .
That 's like blaming a coolant failure for destroying your engine , when it fact it overheated because you ran out of oil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SpinRite is no more capable of causing a head crash than Microsoft Excel is.
If the heads crashed, they crashed.
Don't blame SpinRite for it.
That's like blaming a coolant failure for destroying your engine, when it fact it overheated because you ran out of oil.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28189409</id>
	<title>you should get</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243944420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hiren's boot cd</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hiren 's boot cd</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hiren's boot cd</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28200165</id>
	<title>Recuva</title>
	<author>erichsito</author>
	<datestamp>1244062560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well,

Recuva from Piriorm (those guys from Ccleaner) has worked for me a couple of times. It's free

<a href="http://www.piriform.com/recuva/download" title="piriform.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.piriform.com/recuva/download</a> [piriform.com]

Hope it helps.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , Recuva from Piriorm ( those guys from Ccleaner ) has worked for me a couple of times .
It 's free http : //www.piriform.com/recuva/download [ piriform.com ] Hope it helps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well,

Recuva from Piriorm (those guys from Ccleaner) has worked for me a couple of times.
It's free

http://www.piriform.com/recuva/download [piriform.com]

Hope it helps.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183323</id>
	<title>PCInspector</title>
	<author>CyBlue</author>
	<datestamp>1243961160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For a free tool, I've had reasonable success with PCInspector, but File Scavenger seems to do a better job at recovery.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For a free tool , I 've had reasonable success with PCInspector , but File Scavenger seems to do a better job at recovery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a free tool, I've had reasonable success with PCInspector, but File Scavenger seems to do a better job at recovery.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184289</id>
	<title>Freeze the drive, seriously...</title>
	<author>DomNF15</author>
	<datestamp>1243965300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>We recently had an NTFS drive on one of our Dell servers go partially bad.  Windows wouldn't boot or read it.  I had limited success using various Linux Live distros along with tools like PhotoRec (http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec) since the drive was part of a Windows logical raid array.  Don't be fooled by the website, the tool works for all kinds of files, not just photos, on various file system types.  In the end, someone I work with suggested putting the drive in a ziplock bag and freezing it for a few hours.  The rest of us were skeptical, but were also at our wit's end trying to recover the files from this drive, so we tried it.  Amazingly, we were able to boot the drive normally and recover the needed files before it got back up to normal operating temperature and failed again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We recently had an NTFS drive on one of our Dell servers go partially bad .
Windows would n't boot or read it .
I had limited success using various Linux Live distros along with tools like PhotoRec ( http : //www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec ) since the drive was part of a Windows logical raid array .
Do n't be fooled by the website , the tool works for all kinds of files , not just photos , on various file system types .
In the end , someone I work with suggested putting the drive in a ziplock bag and freezing it for a few hours .
The rest of us were skeptical , but were also at our wit 's end trying to recover the files from this drive , so we tried it .
Amazingly , we were able to boot the drive normally and recover the needed files before it got back up to normal operating temperature and failed again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We recently had an NTFS drive on one of our Dell servers go partially bad.
Windows wouldn't boot or read it.
I had limited success using various Linux Live distros along with tools like PhotoRec (http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec) since the drive was part of a Windows logical raid array.
Don't be fooled by the website, the tool works for all kinds of files, not just photos, on various file system types.
In the end, someone I work with suggested putting the drive in a ziplock bag and freezing it for a few hours.
The rest of us were skeptical, but were also at our wit's end trying to recover the files from this drive, so we tried it.
Amazingly, we were able to boot the drive normally and recover the needed files before it got back up to normal operating temperature and failed again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183895</id>
	<title>My toolset.</title>
	<author>EkriirkE</author>
	<datestamp>1243963620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Testdisk to recover partition &amp; mbr data.<br>
Windows PE live disc to try to read disc/chkdsk, and/or use HandyRecovery v1 (fw) for undelete/quick format recovery<br>
Knoppix to read corrupt NTFS<br>
SpinRite to try and recover/reset bad sectors</htmltext>
<tokenext>Testdisk to recover partition &amp; mbr data .
Windows PE live disc to try to read disc/chkdsk , and/or use HandyRecovery v1 ( fw ) for undelete/quick format recovery Knoppix to read corrupt NTFS SpinRite to try and recover/reset bad sectors</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Testdisk to recover partition &amp; mbr data.
Windows PE live disc to try to read disc/chkdsk, and/or use HandyRecovery v1 (fw) for undelete/quick format recovery
Knoppix to read corrupt NTFS
SpinRite to try and recover/reset bad sectors</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183749</id>
	<title>prodiscover</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243962960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>prodiscover works just fine, and it is one of the tools we used in my forensics class. there are many others, but that one has a free version that is reliable. the only catch is that you have to have it plugged into a machine that can boot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>prodiscover works just fine , and it is one of the tools we used in my forensics class .
there are many others , but that one has a free version that is reliable .
the only catch is that you have to have it plugged into a machine that can boot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>prodiscover works just fine, and it is one of the tools we used in my forensics class.
there are many others, but that one has a free version that is reliable.
the only catch is that you have to have it plugged into a machine that can boot.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183347</id>
	<title>Ontrack EasyRecovery Professional</title>
	<author>Killall -9 Bash</author>
	<datestamp>1243961220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ontrack EasyRecovery is the best software I've used.  It WILL NOT WORK under Vista, so hopefully you'll have 2k or xp installed somewhere.<br> <br>The software, last time I checked, is no longer suported or updated.  Ontrack now seems to specialize in data recovery, not data recovery software.  I'm sure however you can find the software.... somewhere....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ontrack EasyRecovery is the best software I 've used .
It WILL NOT WORK under Vista , so hopefully you 'll have 2k or xp installed somewhere .
The software , last time I checked , is no longer suported or updated .
Ontrack now seems to specialize in data recovery , not data recovery software .
I 'm sure however you can find the software.... somewhere... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ontrack EasyRecovery is the best software I've used.
It WILL NOT WORK under Vista, so hopefully you'll have 2k or xp installed somewhere.
The software, last time I checked, is no longer suported or updated.
Ontrack now seems to specialize in data recovery, not data recovery software.
I'm sure however you can find the software.... somewhere....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182001</id>
	<title>Pros avoid having to use data recovery tools.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pros make sure they have good backups. Pros tell their users "nothing on your laptop/desktop is backed up", make that corporate policy, and respond to virus infestations by re-imaging the victim's computers to make sure that everyone's too damn scared of Mordac the Preventer to keep anything on local storage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pros make sure they have good backups .
Pros tell their users " nothing on your laptop/desktop is backed up " , make that corporate policy , and respond to virus infestations by re-imaging the victim 's computers to make sure that everyone 's too damn scared of Mordac the Preventer to keep anything on local storage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pros make sure they have good backups.
Pros tell their users "nothing on your laptop/desktop is backed up", make that corporate policy, and respond to virus infestations by re-imaging the victim's computers to make sure that everyone's too damn scared of Mordac the Preventer to keep anything on local storage.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182391</id>
	<title>SpinRite</title>
	<author>powerbooklinux</author>
	<datestamp>1243958040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does the job when all hope is lost.  I've used it many times for myself and clients.  $89.00 and worth every penny.

<a href="http://spinrite.info/" title="spinrite.info" rel="nofollow">http://spinrite.info/</a> [spinrite.info]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the job when all hope is lost .
I 've used it many times for myself and clients .
$ 89.00 and worth every penny .
http : //spinrite.info/ [ spinrite.info ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the job when all hope is lost.
I've used it many times for myself and clients.
$89.00 and worth every penny.
http://spinrite.info/ [spinrite.info]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183507</id>
	<title>Circuitboard Repair or Replacement often necessary</title>
	<author>TunaPhish</author>
	<datestamp>1243961880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As far as software goes, a combination of dd / ddrescue / strings / fdisk / grep / mount / and the r-studio suite from r-tt.com are what I use.  Though, most of the time the drive is physically damaged, and it's not always inside.</p><p>For example, last week I had a laptop come in with no power to the drive.  I examined the board with my eyes and my Fluke Multimeter and discovered that the power +5V on pins 41 and 42 wasn't reaching very far into the board and was basically disconnected at the first component.  It looked to be a power-protection diode which had blown due to a surge.  I was able to bypass it with a dot of solder, and once reassembled the hard drive powered on, I copied the data off.  When the customer decided he didn't want to pay, well, I removed that solder dot before returning his drive to him without his data...</p><p>On 3.5" hard drives you'll often see a rectifier diode serving the same purpose, so when you run into a drive that doesn't spin up, check that out first.  It's a small black component connecting the power to ground, and it shouldn't be passing electricity (but it will when it fails, so just pop it off to get your drive working again).</p><p>Other times a clicking drive can be fixed by just swapping out the board with an identical one from another drive.  Sometimes, similar model number boards will work as well, but not often.  It's a lot of fun trial and error.  On the plus side, if the drive is totally fubar'd but still spins up, you can pop it open and do some hard drive spin art!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as software goes , a combination of dd / ddrescue / strings / fdisk / grep / mount / and the r-studio suite from r-tt.com are what I use .
Though , most of the time the drive is physically damaged , and it 's not always inside.For example , last week I had a laptop come in with no power to the drive .
I examined the board with my eyes and my Fluke Multimeter and discovered that the power + 5V on pins 41 and 42 was n't reaching very far into the board and was basically disconnected at the first component .
It looked to be a power-protection diode which had blown due to a surge .
I was able to bypass it with a dot of solder , and once reassembled the hard drive powered on , I copied the data off .
When the customer decided he did n't want to pay , well , I removed that solder dot before returning his drive to him without his data...On 3.5 " hard drives you 'll often see a rectifier diode serving the same purpose , so when you run into a drive that does n't spin up , check that out first .
It 's a small black component connecting the power to ground , and it should n't be passing electricity ( but it will when it fails , so just pop it off to get your drive working again ) .Other times a clicking drive can be fixed by just swapping out the board with an identical one from another drive .
Sometimes , similar model number boards will work as well , but not often .
It 's a lot of fun trial and error .
On the plus side , if the drive is totally fubar 'd but still spins up , you can pop it open and do some hard drive spin art !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as software goes, a combination of dd / ddrescue / strings / fdisk / grep / mount / and the r-studio suite from r-tt.com are what I use.
Though, most of the time the drive is physically damaged, and it's not always inside.For example, last week I had a laptop come in with no power to the drive.
I examined the board with my eyes and my Fluke Multimeter and discovered that the power +5V on pins 41 and 42 wasn't reaching very far into the board and was basically disconnected at the first component.
It looked to be a power-protection diode which had blown due to a surge.
I was able to bypass it with a dot of solder, and once reassembled the hard drive powered on, I copied the data off.
When the customer decided he didn't want to pay, well, I removed that solder dot before returning his drive to him without his data...On 3.5" hard drives you'll often see a rectifier diode serving the same purpose, so when you run into a drive that doesn't spin up, check that out first.
It's a small black component connecting the power to ground, and it shouldn't be passing electricity (but it will when it fails, so just pop it off to get your drive working again).Other times a clicking drive can be fixed by just swapping out the board with an identical one from another drive.
Sometimes, similar model number boards will work as well, but not often.
It's a lot of fun trial and error.
On the plus side, if the drive is totally fubar'd but still spins up, you can pop it open and do some hard drive spin art!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28187509</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>glockNine</author>
	<datestamp>1243935840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can also use NTFS Explorer from the same company, which works great in a pinch.  You can recover files one by one without having to wait for recovery of the whole drive.  Well worth the $70.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can also use NTFS Explorer from the same company , which works great in a pinch .
You can recover files one by one without having to wait for recovery of the whole drive .
Well worth the $ 70 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can also use NTFS Explorer from the same company, which works great in a pinch.
You can recover files one by one without having to wait for recovery of the whole drive.
Well worth the $70.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182113</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185111</id>
	<title>EXT3GREP FTW</title>
	<author>enhuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1243968600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If anyone has any deleted files from ext3 - I HIGHLY recommend ext3grep - <a href="http://code.google.com/p/ext3grep/" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/ext3grep/</a> [google.com]

The developer is amazing, really nice guy too! Personally helped with recovering a deleted 312GB vmware drive image.

After 2 weeks of every person I encountered offering only the most arrogant BS response: 'oh you should have had backups'
I stumbled upon ext3grep and with the tremendous help of the ext3grep developer, Carlo, was able to get back the entire 300GB vmware image, and boot it and everything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If anyone has any deleted files from ext3 - I HIGHLY recommend ext3grep - http : //code.google.com/p/ext3grep/ [ google.com ] The developer is amazing , really nice guy too !
Personally helped with recovering a deleted 312GB vmware drive image .
After 2 weeks of every person I encountered offering only the most arrogant BS response : 'oh you should have had backups ' I stumbled upon ext3grep and with the tremendous help of the ext3grep developer , Carlo , was able to get back the entire 300GB vmware image , and boot it and everything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anyone has any deleted files from ext3 - I HIGHLY recommend ext3grep - http://code.google.com/p/ext3grep/ [google.com]

The developer is amazing, really nice guy too!
Personally helped with recovering a deleted 312GB vmware drive image.
After 2 weeks of every person I encountered offering only the most arrogant BS response: 'oh you should have had backups'
I stumbled upon ext3grep and with the tremendous help of the ext3grep developer, Carlo, was able to get back the entire 300GB vmware image, and boot it and everything.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182643</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243958880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used GDB for a long time, and still do occasionally.  Nothing bad to say about it.</p><p>However, I find that X-ways' WinHex is even better for recovering file names/structures -- if you've got a big tree to work with, that's a lifesaver versus having to go through hundreds of sequentially-named directories.   It's a professional product and they have forensic versions that allow you to preserve evidence chain, e.g. working with a image of the drive, read-only modes, etc.</p><p>It's more expensive, but given the time required to do data recovery on a per file basis it's probably still a sound investment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used GDB for a long time , and still do occasionally .
Nothing bad to say about it.However , I find that X-ways ' WinHex is even better for recovering file names/structures -- if you 've got a big tree to work with , that 's a lifesaver versus having to go through hundreds of sequentially-named directories .
It 's a professional product and they have forensic versions that allow you to preserve evidence chain , e.g .
working with a image of the drive , read-only modes , etc.It 's more expensive , but given the time required to do data recovery on a per file basis it 's probably still a sound investment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used GDB for a long time, and still do occasionally.
Nothing bad to say about it.However, I find that X-ways' WinHex is even better for recovering file names/structures -- if you've got a big tree to work with, that's a lifesaver versus having to go through hundreds of sequentially-named directories.
It's a professional product and they have forensic versions that allow you to preserve evidence chain, e.g.
working with a image of the drive, read-only modes, etc.It's more expensive, but given the time required to do data recovery on a per file basis it's probably still a sound investment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181769</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182997</id>
	<title>dd</title>
	<author>goombah99</author>
	<datestamp>1243960020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>once you have linux up and running the first thing I do is try dd  with the "ignore error" setting.  this way I cant get a copy of the bad disk onto a good disk.  Now I've separated the recovery from corruption from the problems due to intermittency.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>once you have linux up and running the first thing I do is try dd with the " ignore error " setting .
this way I cant get a copy of the bad disk onto a good disk .
Now I 've separated the recovery from corruption from the problems due to intermittency .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>once you have linux up and running the first thing I do is try dd  with the "ignore error" setting.
this way I cant get a copy of the bad disk onto a good disk.
Now I've separated the recovery from corruption from the problems due to intermittency.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181849</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184939</id>
	<title>Re:I tell the tools</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243968000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's very helpful.<br>The premise here is to change the future, not the past.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's very helpful.The premise here is to change the future , not the past .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's very helpful.The premise here is to change the future, not the past.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181793</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181983</id>
	<title>Freeware does the job.</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1243956600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Work your way through <a href="http://download.cnet.com/1770-20\_4-0.html?query=file+recovery&amp;searchtype=downloads&amp;filter=licenseName=Free\%7Cplatform=Windows&amp;filterName=licenseName=Free\%7Cplatform=Windows" title="cnet.com">this</a> [cnet.com] list. Unless you're a corporate entity with a large purse, it's probably going to be a freeware app they use too (unless they have a suite which covers many types of media and file systems). They make money from companies, not end users.<br> <br>Further Info: I phoned a Tamworth, UK-based company (Google it if you're bothered) regarding recovering a file from a USB drive for a teacher where I tech. They asked what I did so far to recover the file, I said I'd run some freeware recovery tool. They told me that's all they'd do, as they don't make money spending any more than about 5 minutes on it. If that can't find it, and you don't have hundreds / thousands of pounds to spend on engineer time, it's the best you'll get.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Work your way through this [ cnet.com ] list .
Unless you 're a corporate entity with a large purse , it 's probably going to be a freeware app they use too ( unless they have a suite which covers many types of media and file systems ) .
They make money from companies , not end users .
Further Info : I phoned a Tamworth , UK-based company ( Google it if you 're bothered ) regarding recovering a file from a USB drive for a teacher where I tech .
They asked what I did so far to recover the file , I said I 'd run some freeware recovery tool .
They told me that 's all they 'd do , as they do n't make money spending any more than about 5 minutes on it .
If that ca n't find it , and you do n't have hundreds / thousands of pounds to spend on engineer time , it 's the best you 'll get .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Work your way through this [cnet.com] list.
Unless you're a corporate entity with a large purse, it's probably going to be a freeware app they use too (unless they have a suite which covers many types of media and file systems).
They make money from companies, not end users.
Further Info: I phoned a Tamworth, UK-based company (Google it if you're bothered) regarding recovering a file from a USB drive for a teacher where I tech.
They asked what I did so far to recover the file, I said I'd run some freeware recovery tool.
They told me that's all they'd do, as they don't make money spending any more than about 5 minutes on it.
If that can't find it, and you don't have hundreds / thousands of pounds to spend on engineer time, it's the best you'll get.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28186237</id>
	<title>Recuva is very good</title>
	<author>wbhorton</author>
	<datestamp>1243973640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have used Recuva - File Recovery <a href="http://www.recuva.com/" title="recuva.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.recuva.com/</a> [recuva.com], It worked great I was able to get everything off the hard that i needed plus more that the user didn't need.. I just let them go though it and figure out what they did and didn't want.. it is free and works Great..<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) I hope that this helps</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have used Recuva - File Recovery http : //www.recuva.com/ [ recuva.com ] , It worked great I was able to get everything off the hard that i needed plus more that the user did n't need.. I just let them go though it and figure out what they did and did n't want.. it is free and works Great.. : ) I hope that this helps</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have used Recuva - File Recovery http://www.recuva.com/ [recuva.com], It worked great I was able to get everything off the hard that i needed plus more that the user didn't need.. I just let them go though it and figure out what they did and didn't want.. it is free and works Great.. :) I hope that this helps</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184505</id>
	<title>It depends on the failure type of the drive</title>
	<author>scum-o</author>
	<datestamp>1243966260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to do occasional linux recoveries for a place called Reynolds Data Recovery in Colorado.  They weren't a mega-huge recovery company, but they got a few dozen drives every day and did good business.  They used a collection of software - some proprietary utilities from the drive manufacturers, some commercial utilities.  Also, some drives overheated, so they had a freezer that they could put a drive in, so it ran long enough to copy the data off it, also, they had clean rooms, so they could re-seat heads onto platters if they came off somehow, then they'd run the drive "open" until they could copy the data off.  Other times, the electronics (controller card on the drive) were dead, so they had a huge shelf of working controller cards from every possible drive that you could think of.  They'd pop the old card off, put in a known-working card, then copy the data off.  The data would normally be returned on a 'loaner' drive that the customer would return or a new drive that the customer would pay for.  RAIDs were hit-and-miss and sometimes they worked and sometimes they didn't.  I'm not sure of any of the names of the software that they used, but it varied depending on how difficult the recovery was.</p><p>When I had to do linux recoveries, I slowly built-up a little distro of my own which had tons of tools on it.  I'd have my 'distro' on a disk that they could plug in when they needed me to work on a linux disk, then I'd ssh into the machine remotely and work on the disk without having to drive in.  I'd fix the partitions or the disk if it was possible and copy the data off onto a backup disk.  There are some good tools availble in linux to do recoveries of things, but with the newer filesystems nowadays, it's more and more difficult to get anything off now.  I'm not sure about SSD.  Never had to deal with them yet.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  ext2, fat, vfat and memory cards, easy.  reiserfs &amp; ext3, much more difficult.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to do occasional linux recoveries for a place called Reynolds Data Recovery in Colorado .
They were n't a mega-huge recovery company , but they got a few dozen drives every day and did good business .
They used a collection of software - some proprietary utilities from the drive manufacturers , some commercial utilities .
Also , some drives overheated , so they had a freezer that they could put a drive in , so it ran long enough to copy the data off it , also , they had clean rooms , so they could re-seat heads onto platters if they came off somehow , then they 'd run the drive " open " until they could copy the data off .
Other times , the electronics ( controller card on the drive ) were dead , so they had a huge shelf of working controller cards from every possible drive that you could think of .
They 'd pop the old card off , put in a known-working card , then copy the data off .
The data would normally be returned on a 'loaner ' drive that the customer would return or a new drive that the customer would pay for .
RAIDs were hit-and-miss and sometimes they worked and sometimes they did n't .
I 'm not sure of any of the names of the software that they used , but it varied depending on how difficult the recovery was.When I had to do linux recoveries , I slowly built-up a little distro of my own which had tons of tools on it .
I 'd have my 'distro ' on a disk that they could plug in when they needed me to work on a linux disk , then I 'd ssh into the machine remotely and work on the disk without having to drive in .
I 'd fix the partitions or the disk if it was possible and copy the data off onto a backup disk .
There are some good tools availble in linux to do recoveries of things , but with the newer filesystems nowadays , it 's more and more difficult to get anything off now .
I 'm not sure about SSD .
Never had to deal with them yet .
: ) ext2 , fat , vfat and memory cards , easy .
reiserfs &amp; ext3 , much more difficult .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to do occasional linux recoveries for a place called Reynolds Data Recovery in Colorado.
They weren't a mega-huge recovery company, but they got a few dozen drives every day and did good business.
They used a collection of software - some proprietary utilities from the drive manufacturers, some commercial utilities.
Also, some drives overheated, so they had a freezer that they could put a drive in, so it ran long enough to copy the data off it, also, they had clean rooms, so they could re-seat heads onto platters if they came off somehow, then they'd run the drive "open" until they could copy the data off.
Other times, the electronics (controller card on the drive) were dead, so they had a huge shelf of working controller cards from every possible drive that you could think of.
They'd pop the old card off, put in a known-working card, then copy the data off.
The data would normally be returned on a 'loaner' drive that the customer would return or a new drive that the customer would pay for.
RAIDs were hit-and-miss and sometimes they worked and sometimes they didn't.
I'm not sure of any of the names of the software that they used, but it varied depending on how difficult the recovery was.When I had to do linux recoveries, I slowly built-up a little distro of my own which had tons of tools on it.
I'd have my 'distro' on a disk that they could plug in when they needed me to work on a linux disk, then I'd ssh into the machine remotely and work on the disk without having to drive in.
I'd fix the partitions or the disk if it was possible and copy the data off onto a backup disk.
There are some good tools availble in linux to do recoveries of things, but with the newer filesystems nowadays, it's more and more difficult to get anything off now.
I'm not sure about SSD.
Never had to deal with them yet.
:)  ext2, fat, vfat and memory cards, easy.
reiserfs &amp; ext3, much more difficult.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28191741</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>M0b1u5</author>
	<datestamp>1243962780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. GetDataBack (Two versions, one for FAT and one for NTFS) are outstanding. If the drive spins, and the drive is recognised by the BIOS then GDB will..... get your data back.</p><p>Most importantly, disconnect and de-power any drive which suffers any kind of failure, and do not power it back up until GDB is installed, registered and ready to work. Practice recovering data from a known-good drive before trying your dead-drive.</p><p>GDB will recover damaged files as well as undamaged ones. Getting all your porn back might involve some of your images being sliced across the middle with corrupted JPD data...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>One truly great thing about GDB is that it can recover files from a dead drive faster than Windows Explorer will copy them from a good drive!</p><p>Firstly, and most importantly in this whole process: Beat over the head whichever fool forgot to backup correctly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
GetDataBack ( Two versions , one for FAT and one for NTFS ) are outstanding .
If the drive spins , and the drive is recognised by the BIOS then GDB will..... get your data back.Most importantly , disconnect and de-power any drive which suffers any kind of failure , and do not power it back up until GDB is installed , registered and ready to work .
Practice recovering data from a known-good drive before trying your dead-drive.GDB will recover damaged files as well as undamaged ones .
Getting all your porn back might involve some of your images being sliced across the middle with corrupted JPD data... ; ) One truly great thing about GDB is that it can recover files from a dead drive faster than Windows Explorer will copy them from a good drive ! Firstly , and most importantly in this whole process : Beat over the head whichever fool forgot to backup correctly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
GetDataBack (Two versions, one for FAT and one for NTFS) are outstanding.
If the drive spins, and the drive is recognised by the BIOS then GDB will..... get your data back.Most importantly, disconnect and de-power any drive which suffers any kind of failure, and do not power it back up until GDB is installed, registered and ready to work.
Practice recovering data from a known-good drive before trying your dead-drive.GDB will recover damaged files as well as undamaged ones.
Getting all your porn back might involve some of your images being sliced across the middle with corrupted JPD data... ;)One truly great thing about GDB is that it can recover files from a dead drive faster than Windows Explorer will copy them from a good drive!Firstly, and most importantly in this whole process: Beat over the head whichever fool forgot to backup correctly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182113</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>PFactor</author>
	<datestamp>1243957080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I second this. It great for recovering data from pretty much anything: flash drives, memory cards, hard drives. The primary caveat is that the drive itself has to be fully operational.  If the drive cannot be mounted/connected (like if the drive electronics are fried) this program won't help you.GetDataBack just does a scan of the disk and offers to 'undelete' any file fragments it finds.

Also, the bigger the drive, the longer it takes the process to complete. I suppose this is true of all tools that operate in this fashion so I can't say it's a con to GetDataBack.

Also, there's a separate version for FAT and for NTFS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I second this .
It great for recovering data from pretty much anything : flash drives , memory cards , hard drives .
The primary caveat is that the drive itself has to be fully operational .
If the drive can not be mounted/connected ( like if the drive electronics are fried ) this program wo n't help you.GetDataBack just does a scan of the disk and offers to 'undelete ' any file fragments it finds .
Also , the bigger the drive , the longer it takes the process to complete .
I suppose this is true of all tools that operate in this fashion so I ca n't say it 's a con to GetDataBack .
Also , there 's a separate version for FAT and for NTFS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second this.
It great for recovering data from pretty much anything: flash drives, memory cards, hard drives.
The primary caveat is that the drive itself has to be fully operational.
If the drive cannot be mounted/connected (like if the drive electronics are fried) this program won't help you.GetDataBack just does a scan of the disk and offers to 'undelete' any file fragments it finds.
Also, the bigger the drive, the longer it takes the process to complete.
I suppose this is true of all tools that operate in this fashion so I can't say it's a con to GetDataBack.
Also, there's a separate version for FAT and for NTFS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183127</id>
	<title>simple.. but not free.</title>
	<author>Piffer76</author>
	<datestamp>1243960500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the past I've used SpinRite to check the disk for errors, and it's been a life saver twice.
But in the case where there's nothing wrong with the physical drive, which is probably the case most of the time, I've had great success with R-Studio.

My 2 cents.

-P</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the past I 've used SpinRite to check the disk for errors , and it 's been a life saver twice .
But in the case where there 's nothing wrong with the physical drive , which is probably the case most of the time , I 've had great success with R-Studio .
My 2 cents .
-P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the past I've used SpinRite to check the disk for errors, and it's been a life saver twice.
But in the case where there's nothing wrong with the physical drive, which is probably the case most of the time, I've had great success with R-Studio.
My 2 cents.
-P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28192585</id>
	<title>Re:R-Studio</title>
	<author>EricTheO</author>
	<datestamp>1243972440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Twice over the past 10 years I have had to recover data from a hard-drive. I used R-Studio both times. I found it easy to use and very effective at recovering and organizing the data.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Twice over the past 10 years I have had to recover data from a hard-drive .
I used R-Studio both times .
I found it easy to use and very effective at recovering and organizing the data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Twice over the past 10 years I have had to recover data from a hard-drive.
I used R-Studio both times.
I found it easy to use and very effective at recovering and organizing the data.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185213</id>
	<title>dd + ice cubes?</title>
	<author>Firewing1</author>
	<datestamp>1243969080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You might think it's a bit of an odd combo, but <a href="http://www.firewing1.com/v1/content/view/77/32/" title="firewing1.com" rel="nofollow">ice cubes and dd</a> [firewing1.com] has worked multiple times for me when attempting to recover data from a laptop's internal disk. It's a bit trickier with internal disks since you can't get the circuit boards wet, but it's still possible...

This is the dd command I use:<blockquote><div><p> <tt>dd if=/dev/sda of="/Path/To/Output/Image.img" bs=512 conv=noerror &amp;<br>pid=$! ; while ps $pid &gt;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/null;do kill -SIGUSR1 $pid;sleep 15;done</tt></p></div> </blockquote><p>Gives you a nice status report every 15 seconds. If you're doing this on OS X, use "-s SIGINFO" instead of "-SIGUSR1".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You might think it 's a bit of an odd combo , but ice cubes and dd [ firewing1.com ] has worked multiple times for me when attempting to recover data from a laptop 's internal disk .
It 's a bit trickier with internal disks since you ca n't get the circuit boards wet , but it 's still possible.. . This is the dd command I use : dd if = /dev/sda of = " /Path/To/Output/Image.img " bs = 512 conv = noerror &amp;pid = $ !
; while ps $ pid &gt; /dev/null ; do kill -SIGUSR1 $ pid ; sleep 15 ; done Gives you a nice status report every 15 seconds .
If you 're doing this on OS X , use " -s SIGINFO " instead of " -SIGUSR1 " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might think it's a bit of an odd combo, but ice cubes and dd [firewing1.com] has worked multiple times for me when attempting to recover data from a laptop's internal disk.
It's a bit trickier with internal disks since you can't get the circuit boards wet, but it's still possible...

This is the dd command I use: dd if=/dev/sda of="/Path/To/Output/Image.img" bs=512 conv=noerror &amp;pid=$!
; while ps $pid &gt; /dev/null;do kill -SIGUSR1 $pid;sleep 15;done Gives you a nice status report every 15 seconds.
If you're doing this on OS X, use "-s SIGINFO" instead of "-SIGUSR1".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182239</id>
	<title>Midnight...</title>
	<author>AioKits</author>
	<datestamp>1243957500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Black jump suit, glass cutter, crowbar, can of black spray paint, butterfly knife, pack of smokes, maybe a giant burlap sack with a green $$$ printed on the side because if it said 'data' it might look suspicious...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Black jump suit , glass cutter , crowbar , can of black spray paint , butterfly knife , pack of smokes , maybe a giant burlap sack with a green $ $ $ printed on the side because if it said 'data ' it might look suspicious.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Black jump suit, glass cutter, crowbar, can of black spray paint, butterfly knife, pack of smokes, maybe a giant burlap sack with a green $$$ printed on the side because if it said 'data' it might look suspicious...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182947</id>
	<title>Re:Pros avoid having to use data recovery tools.</title>
	<author>eth1</author>
	<datestamp>1243959840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup... In this case, an ounce of prevention is worth several tons of cure. I was in this situation, and ended up using AD group policy to redirect everyone's My Docs to a server directory that I could back up. Then just make sure everyone knows that *everything* important has to go in there. Fortunately, most stuff defaults to saving there.</p><p>It only took one round of "oh no, I accidentally deleted X, and spent HOURS on it!!" "Was it in your My Documents?" "No" "Sorry, can't help." for everyone to get the hint.</p><p>Plus it means that any time someone messes up their machine, you can just tell them to get a coffee, and push a fresh image onto it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup... In this case , an ounce of prevention is worth several tons of cure .
I was in this situation , and ended up using AD group policy to redirect everyone 's My Docs to a server directory that I could back up .
Then just make sure everyone knows that * everything * important has to go in there .
Fortunately , most stuff defaults to saving there.It only took one round of " oh no , I accidentally deleted X , and spent HOURS on it ! !
" " Was it in your My Documents ?
" " No " " Sorry , ca n't help .
" for everyone to get the hint.Plus it means that any time someone messes up their machine , you can just tell them to get a coffee , and push a fresh image onto it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup... In this case, an ounce of prevention is worth several tons of cure.
I was in this situation, and ended up using AD group policy to redirect everyone's My Docs to a server directory that I could back up.
Then just make sure everyone knows that *everything* important has to go in there.
Fortunately, most stuff defaults to saving there.It only took one round of "oh no, I accidentally deleted X, and spent HOURS on it!!
" "Was it in your My Documents?
" "No" "Sorry, can't help.
" for everyone to get the hint.Plus it means that any time someone messes up their machine, you can just tell them to get a coffee, and push a fresh image onto it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28187977</id>
	<title>Re:I tell the tools</title>
	<author>AmberBlackCat</author>
	<datestamp>1243937580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think, when someone replies to a question about data recovery, and the only thing in the reply is "you should have backed up your data", the person who replied should be modded as some kind of hypertroll. If it were combined with a useful answer, it would be okay. But by itself, it's an absolutely useless reply for the person asking the question.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think , when someone replies to a question about data recovery , and the only thing in the reply is " you should have backed up your data " , the person who replied should be modded as some kind of hypertroll .
If it were combined with a useful answer , it would be okay .
But by itself , it 's an absolutely useless reply for the person asking the question .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think, when someone replies to a question about data recovery, and the only thing in the reply is "you should have backed up your data", the person who replied should be modded as some kind of hypertroll.
If it were combined with a useful answer, it would be okay.
But by itself, it's an absolutely useless reply for the person asking the question.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182051</id>
	<title>EASEUS Disk Copy</title>
	<author>dinkdinkdink</author>
	<datestamp>1243956840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have had success with the *free* EASEUS Disk Copy boot CD - <a href="http://www.easeus.com/download.htm" title="easeus.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.easeus.com/download.htm</a> [easeus.com] [easeus.com]. It will perform a bit for bit copy from the defective drive to a new organ-doner drive. I believe you have the option to continue the copy, even on erroneous sectors. On a recent drive in the early stages of failing, I was able to recover the entire disk after I did the bit-for-bit copy and then performed a error check/fix on boot-up. The standard Windows XP error check tool corrected all of the previously mangled bits.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have had success with the * free * EASEUS Disk Copy boot CD - http : //www.easeus.com/download.htm [ easeus.com ] [ easeus.com ] .
It will perform a bit for bit copy from the defective drive to a new organ-doner drive .
I believe you have the option to continue the copy , even on erroneous sectors .
On a recent drive in the early stages of failing , I was able to recover the entire disk after I did the bit-for-bit copy and then performed a error check/fix on boot-up .
The standard Windows XP error check tool corrected all of the previously mangled bits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have had success with the *free* EASEUS Disk Copy boot CD - http://www.easeus.com/download.htm [easeus.com] [easeus.com].
It will perform a bit for bit copy from the defective drive to a new organ-doner drive.
I believe you have the option to continue the copy, even on erroneous sectors.
On a recent drive in the early stages of failing, I was able to recover the entire disk after I did the bit-for-bit copy and then performed a error check/fix on boot-up.
The standard Windows XP error check tool corrected all of the previously mangled bits.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185499</id>
	<title>Re:TRK - dd/dd\_rescue/ddrescue, Restorer</title>
	<author>visionbeyond</author>
	<datestamp>1243970400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well stated and correct.  I've unfortunately been thrown the task (as many in the IT world get daily) more than once to recover deleted files from a employee no longer with the company, or just recover files from a damaged system or hard drive.  Usually the option of paying a recovering shop $2000 - $5000 to retrieve the data isn't even a consideration for an option, although definitely preferred.  First and foremost I make an exact copy of the drive using the dd utility, such as the following:

dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=512 conv=noerror,sync

Then all recovery is done on the copy made, so worst case scenario and everything including the cat goes south, it's no harm - no foul, since you can just make another copy and try again.

Which tool to use really depends on what type of data your trying to recover, as each program targets specific functionality.  Many do just try to repair partition tables, which is generally not what you want.  I've had great success using ddrescue, and is probably my preferred - again, depending on what your goal in recovery is.  Another great tool is <a href="http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk" title="cgsecurity.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk</a> [cgsecurity.org] (Testdisk) which works well.  Others that are a little more involved to operate and setup are <a href="http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s042078/magicrescue/manpage.html" title="student.dtu.dk" rel="nofollow">http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s042078/magicrescue/manpage.html</a> [student.dtu.dk] (magicrescue) and <a href="http://www.sleuthkit.org/sleuthkit/" title="sleuthkit.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.sleuthkit.org/sleuthkit/</a> [sleuthkit.org] (the sleuthkit) and there is some good information at <a href="http://dftt.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://dftt.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net] (http://dftt.sourceforge.net/) which might provide help and insight.

No matter how you look at it though, your in for a fun ride, so best to stock up on pain killers and red bull.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well stated and correct .
I 've unfortunately been thrown the task ( as many in the IT world get daily ) more than once to recover deleted files from a employee no longer with the company , or just recover files from a damaged system or hard drive .
Usually the option of paying a recovering shop $ 2000 - $ 5000 to retrieve the data is n't even a consideration for an option , although definitely preferred .
First and foremost I make an exact copy of the drive using the dd utility , such as the following : dd if = /dev/sda of = /dev/sdb bs = 512 conv = noerror,sync Then all recovery is done on the copy made , so worst case scenario and everything including the cat goes south , it 's no harm - no foul , since you can just make another copy and try again .
Which tool to use really depends on what type of data your trying to recover , as each program targets specific functionality .
Many do just try to repair partition tables , which is generally not what you want .
I 've had great success using ddrescue , and is probably my preferred - again , depending on what your goal in recovery is .
Another great tool is http : //www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk [ cgsecurity.org ] ( Testdisk ) which works well .
Others that are a little more involved to operate and setup are http : //www.student.dtu.dk/ ~ s042078/magicrescue/manpage.html [ student.dtu.dk ] ( magicrescue ) and http : //www.sleuthkit.org/sleuthkit/ [ sleuthkit.org ] ( the sleuthkit ) and there is some good information at http : //dftt.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ] ( http : //dftt.sourceforge.net/ ) which might provide help and insight .
No matter how you look at it though , your in for a fun ride , so best to stock up on pain killers and red bull .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well stated and correct.
I've unfortunately been thrown the task (as many in the IT world get daily) more than once to recover deleted files from a employee no longer with the company, or just recover files from a damaged system or hard drive.
Usually the option of paying a recovering shop $2000 - $5000 to retrieve the data isn't even a consideration for an option, although definitely preferred.
First and foremost I make an exact copy of the drive using the dd utility, such as the following:

dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=512 conv=noerror,sync

Then all recovery is done on the copy made, so worst case scenario and everything including the cat goes south, it's no harm - no foul, since you can just make another copy and try again.
Which tool to use really depends on what type of data your trying to recover, as each program targets specific functionality.
Many do just try to repair partition tables, which is generally not what you want.
I've had great success using ddrescue, and is probably my preferred - again, depending on what your goal in recovery is.
Another great tool is http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk [cgsecurity.org] (Testdisk) which works well.
Others that are a little more involved to operate and setup are http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s042078/magicrescue/manpage.html [student.dtu.dk] (magicrescue) and http://www.sleuthkit.org/sleuthkit/ [sleuthkit.org] (the sleuthkit) and there is some good information at http://dftt.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] (http://dftt.sourceforge.net/) which might provide help and insight.
No matter how you look at it though, your in for a fun ride, so best to stock up on pain killers and red bull.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28187831</id>
	<title>Sure, I'll recover that...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243936980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was a school sysadmin, there was one particularly clueless/rude teacher who sternly believed that U: was stored on her local hard drive. She told me, that in no uncertain terms, that if her hard drive had a head crash, she would expect me to recover everything that was on her U:.</p><p>Sadly, she never had a head crash. When her U: reappeared, it would be either "told you so", or "I overnighted the hard drive to Taiwan and paid $1000 out of my own pocket for the recovery!"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was a school sysadmin , there was one particularly clueless/rude teacher who sternly believed that U : was stored on her local hard drive .
She told me , that in no uncertain terms , that if her hard drive had a head crash , she would expect me to recover everything that was on her U : .Sadly , she never had a head crash .
When her U : reappeared , it would be either " told you so " , or " I overnighted the hard drive to Taiwan and paid $ 1000 out of my own pocket for the recovery !
" : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was a school sysadmin, there was one particularly clueless/rude teacher who sternly believed that U: was stored on her local hard drive.
She told me, that in no uncertain terms, that if her hard drive had a head crash, she would expect me to recover everything that was on her U:.Sadly, she never had a head crash.
When her U: reappeared, it would be either "told you so", or "I overnighted the hard drive to Taiwan and paid $1000 out of my own pocket for the recovery!
" :-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28187025</id>
	<title>What? A Techie "Ask Slashdot?"</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1243933920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought there was some kind of rule against "Ask Slashdots" questions that technerds actually know how to answer?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought there was some kind of rule against " Ask Slashdots " questions that technerds actually know how to answer ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought there was some kind of rule against "Ask Slashdots" questions that technerds actually know how to answer?
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28187777</id>
	<title>Data recovery tool</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243936860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SpinRite</p><p>www.grc.com</p><p>Nothing better</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SpinRitewww.grc.comNothing better</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SpinRitewww.grc.comNothing better</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28188663</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>Zoromo</author>
	<datestamp>1243940640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No question with <a href="http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk" title="cgsecurity.org" rel="nofollow">TestDisk</a> [cgsecurity.org] as an excellent open source/free recovery option.</p><p>It was the only thing I found (freeware or pay) that relatively easily restored a couple of NTFS logical partitions--and all data--after they were destroyed by an older version (8.0) of Diskeeper's "boot optimization" defragging. The last time I used Diskeeper or recommended it. I continue to use and recommend TestDisk. The author of TestDisk was also responsive to emails when I encountered a unique issue with the drives I ended up needing help with.</p><p>Note that TestDisk is only for recovering lost partitions and making non-bootable partitions bootable again. For those functions, there is no better program out there.</p><p>Its sister program included in its download--<a href="http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec" title="cgsecurity.org" rel="nofollow">PhotoRec</a> [cgsecurity.org]--can do file recovery. Its designed mainly for recovery of photos off all media, but it supports many different file formats. So the TestDisk/PhotoRec package may be all you need.</p><p>Other freeware/non-open source file recovery alternatives that are reliable and work well:</p><p>--<a href="http://www.pcinspector.de/default.htm?Language=1" title="pcinspector.de" rel="nofollow">PC INSPECTOR File Recovery</a> [pcinspector.de]. 100\% free &amp; full featured, many options. Been using it for years.</p><p>--<a href="http://www.recuva.com/" title="recuva.com" rel="nofollow">Recuva</a> [recuva.com]. 100\% free, by <a href="http://www.piriform.com/" title="piriform.com" rel="nofollow">Piriform</a> [piriform.com], the maker of the very popular CCleaner/Crap Cleaner system cleaner.</p><p>Somewhat less elegant than the above one. But the only freeware option I've studied that can do a "deep scan" of your drives for lost files. Which can take hours, but may turn up more missing data than the other non-PhotoRec options here.</p><p>--<a href="http://www.easeus-deletedrecovery.com/" title="easeus-del...covery.com" rel="nofollow">EASEUS Deleted File Recovery</a> [easeus-del...covery.com]. A more limited version of their $70 "EASEUS Data Recovery Wizard", but very well designed for basic file recovery.</p><p>There are other freeware file recovery options I've studied, but they are all more limited than the above. Would recommend TestDisk (for partitions) and PhotoRec (for files) first, then the other three (for files) in the order given.</p><p>In all honesty, shelling out for a payware solution is very unlikely to "find" more deleted files on a NTFS partition than the above freeware solutions, unless you have special needs they don't cover. Which is rare. And again, there is nothing better than TestDisk--free or payware--for recovering partitions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No question with TestDisk [ cgsecurity.org ] as an excellent open source/free recovery option.It was the only thing I found ( freeware or pay ) that relatively easily restored a couple of NTFS logical partitions--and all data--after they were destroyed by an older version ( 8.0 ) of Diskeeper 's " boot optimization " defragging .
The last time I used Diskeeper or recommended it .
I continue to use and recommend TestDisk .
The author of TestDisk was also responsive to emails when I encountered a unique issue with the drives I ended up needing help with.Note that TestDisk is only for recovering lost partitions and making non-bootable partitions bootable again .
For those functions , there is no better program out there.Its sister program included in its download--PhotoRec [ cgsecurity.org ] --can do file recovery .
Its designed mainly for recovery of photos off all media , but it supports many different file formats .
So the TestDisk/PhotoRec package may be all you need.Other freeware/non-open source file recovery alternatives that are reliable and work well : --PC INSPECTOR File Recovery [ pcinspector.de ] .
100 \ % free &amp; full featured , many options .
Been using it for years.--Recuva [ recuva.com ] .
100 \ % free , by Piriform [ piriform.com ] , the maker of the very popular CCleaner/Crap Cleaner system cleaner.Somewhat less elegant than the above one .
But the only freeware option I 've studied that can do a " deep scan " of your drives for lost files .
Which can take hours , but may turn up more missing data than the other non-PhotoRec options here.--EASEUS Deleted File Recovery [ easeus-del...covery.com ] .
A more limited version of their $ 70 " EASEUS Data Recovery Wizard " , but very well designed for basic file recovery.There are other freeware file recovery options I 've studied , but they are all more limited than the above .
Would recommend TestDisk ( for partitions ) and PhotoRec ( for files ) first , then the other three ( for files ) in the order given.In all honesty , shelling out for a payware solution is very unlikely to " find " more deleted files on a NTFS partition than the above freeware solutions , unless you have special needs they do n't cover .
Which is rare .
And again , there is nothing better than TestDisk--free or payware--for recovering partitions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No question with TestDisk [cgsecurity.org] as an excellent open source/free recovery option.It was the only thing I found (freeware or pay) that relatively easily restored a couple of NTFS logical partitions--and all data--after they were destroyed by an older version (8.0) of Diskeeper's "boot optimization" defragging.
The last time I used Diskeeper or recommended it.
I continue to use and recommend TestDisk.
The author of TestDisk was also responsive to emails when I encountered a unique issue with the drives I ended up needing help with.Note that TestDisk is only for recovering lost partitions and making non-bootable partitions bootable again.
For those functions, there is no better program out there.Its sister program included in its download--PhotoRec [cgsecurity.org]--can do file recovery.
Its designed mainly for recovery of photos off all media, but it supports many different file formats.
So the TestDisk/PhotoRec package may be all you need.Other freeware/non-open source file recovery alternatives that are reliable and work well:--PC INSPECTOR File Recovery [pcinspector.de].
100\% free &amp; full featured, many options.
Been using it for years.--Recuva [recuva.com].
100\% free, by Piriform [piriform.com], the maker of the very popular CCleaner/Crap Cleaner system cleaner.Somewhat less elegant than the above one.
But the only freeware option I've studied that can do a "deep scan" of your drives for lost files.
Which can take hours, but may turn up more missing data than the other non-PhotoRec options here.--EASEUS Deleted File Recovery [easeus-del...covery.com].
A more limited version of their $70 "EASEUS Data Recovery Wizard", but very well designed for basic file recovery.There are other freeware file recovery options I've studied, but they are all more limited than the above.
Would recommend TestDisk (for partitions) and PhotoRec (for files) first, then the other three (for files) in the order given.In all honesty, shelling out for a payware solution is very unlikely to "find" more deleted files on a NTFS partition than the above freeware solutions, unless you have special needs they don't cover.
Which is rare.
And again, there is nothing better than TestDisk--free or payware--for recovering partitions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181877</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28195161</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244041320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>THUMBS UP FOR THAT ONE...<br>Get Data Back is awesome.  I lost a hard drive once (system drive with the OS) and happened to come upon GDB doing a google search.  the drive was no longer readable (in the normal way) but I could add it as a slave to a different system.  GDB was able to find every file from the current installation PLUS files that I had deleted (no kidding) over 4 years prior.  I am a music producer and recording engineer by hobby and I found tons of music that I had lost, deleted or misplaced  years ago.</p><p>Get data back is awesome and a bit scary when you think about it.  It truly shows you that deleting files doesn't delete files.  Now for kicks, after I retrieved my files, I ran one of those defense dept (so called) shredders on the drive and while it did do a pretty good job of deleting and wiping the drive, Get Data Back was still able to recover several files from long ago.  So if your drive is at least able to be put into another computer, get data back can be a lifesaver.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>THUMBS UP FOR THAT ONE...Get Data Back is awesome .
I lost a hard drive once ( system drive with the OS ) and happened to come upon GDB doing a google search .
the drive was no longer readable ( in the normal way ) but I could add it as a slave to a different system .
GDB was able to find every file from the current installation PLUS files that I had deleted ( no kidding ) over 4 years prior .
I am a music producer and recording engineer by hobby and I found tons of music that I had lost , deleted or misplaced years ago.Get data back is awesome and a bit scary when you think about it .
It truly shows you that deleting files does n't delete files .
Now for kicks , after I retrieved my files , I ran one of those defense dept ( so called ) shredders on the drive and while it did do a pretty good job of deleting and wiping the drive , Get Data Back was still able to recover several files from long ago .
So if your drive is at least able to be put into another computer , get data back can be a lifesaver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>THUMBS UP FOR THAT ONE...Get Data Back is awesome.
I lost a hard drive once (system drive with the OS) and happened to come upon GDB doing a google search.
the drive was no longer readable (in the normal way) but I could add it as a slave to a different system.
GDB was able to find every file from the current installation PLUS files that I had deleted (no kidding) over 4 years prior.
I am a music producer and recording engineer by hobby and I found tons of music that I had lost, deleted or misplaced  years ago.Get data back is awesome and a bit scary when you think about it.
It truly shows you that deleting files doesn't delete files.
Now for kicks, after I retrieved my files, I ran one of those defense dept (so called) shredders on the drive and while it did do a pretty good job of deleting and wiping the drive, Get Data Back was still able to recover several files from long ago.
So if your drive is at least able to be put into another computer, get data back can be a lifesaver.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181769</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185993</id>
	<title>Re:Pros avoid having to use data recovery tools.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243972560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my office we run weekly backups on our smaller servers and nightly backups on our vital ones. That way we have a fairly recent reference point, just in case. For specific workstations, we just re-image. Every PC in our two domains has about one local profile, the local admin. Every computer uses roaming profiles instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my office we run weekly backups on our smaller servers and nightly backups on our vital ones .
That way we have a fairly recent reference point , just in case .
For specific workstations , we just re-image .
Every PC in our two domains has about one local profile , the local admin .
Every computer uses roaming profiles instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my office we run weekly backups on our smaller servers and nightly backups on our vital ones.
That way we have a fairly recent reference point, just in case.
For specific workstations, we just re-image.
Every PC in our two domains has about one local profile, the local admin.
Every computer uses roaming profiles instead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182001</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183407</id>
	<title>Ubuntu's Data Recover Page</title>
	<author>Innova</author>
	<datestamp>1243961460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This page has helped me in the past:  <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery" title="ubuntu.com" rel="nofollow">Data Recovery</a> [ubuntu.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This page has helped me in the past : Data Recovery [ ubuntu.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This page has helped me in the past:  Data Recovery [ubuntu.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183487</id>
	<title>Real pros use:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243961760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Backups<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. no need for recovery tools!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Backups .. no need for recovery tools !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Backups .. no need for recovery tools!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182017</id>
	<title>TRK - dd/dd\_rescue/ddrescue, Restorer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>My favorite tools are a combination of the Trinity Rescue Kit linux boot cd and the <a href="http://www.restorer-ultimate.com/" title="restorer-ultimate.com">Restorer</a> [restorer-ultimate.com] tool.
<br> <br>
It depends on the type of failure, but generally, I start with a <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html" title="gnu.org">ddrescue</a> [gnu.org] to get an image of the drive, especially if the drive is running bad sectors.  Either I set the image to go to a secondary spare drive or I push it across the network.  ddrescue is nice in that it doesn't bail when it hits those bad sectors, can run in reverse mode, and eventually it'll get as much as isn't corrupt on the drive into the image.
<br> <br>
After establishing the image, the original failed drives go into ESD bags and aren't touched again unless they are to get shipped to one of the expensive clean room type places for their style recovery.
<br> <br>
Most of the win32 drive recovery softwares out there can handle reading from an image file, so from here on out, I work with the images I took with ddrescue.  Restorer has worked pretty well for me on getting things back from hard drives, CF cards, and even raid sets (figuring out the cluster sizes on the raid can be a pain if you don't happen to know them, but the software does support reassembling raid drives from the images you take of the single drives).
<br> <br>
Most of the win32 packages out there have support for making the original images, but I haven't had as much luck with most of them when dealing with severely corrupted drives or with a large scattering of bad sectors.  Either they take far too long to make it through the image or they end up failing to get by the bad sectors.
<br> <br>
Regardless of what you end up picking, you don't want to use any of the recovery tools that advertise how they can fix the partition table and such on the drive, live . . . any recovery operation that thinks it is ok to 'fix' a drive with data on it you want to recover has the wrong mindset.  The data is important, not making the drive work again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My favorite tools are a combination of the Trinity Rescue Kit linux boot cd and the Restorer [ restorer-ultimate.com ] tool .
It depends on the type of failure , but generally , I start with a ddrescue [ gnu.org ] to get an image of the drive , especially if the drive is running bad sectors .
Either I set the image to go to a secondary spare drive or I push it across the network .
ddrescue is nice in that it does n't bail when it hits those bad sectors , can run in reverse mode , and eventually it 'll get as much as is n't corrupt on the drive into the image .
After establishing the image , the original failed drives go into ESD bags and are n't touched again unless they are to get shipped to one of the expensive clean room type places for their style recovery .
Most of the win32 drive recovery softwares out there can handle reading from an image file , so from here on out , I work with the images I took with ddrescue .
Restorer has worked pretty well for me on getting things back from hard drives , CF cards , and even raid sets ( figuring out the cluster sizes on the raid can be a pain if you do n't happen to know them , but the software does support reassembling raid drives from the images you take of the single drives ) .
Most of the win32 packages out there have support for making the original images , but I have n't had as much luck with most of them when dealing with severely corrupted drives or with a large scattering of bad sectors .
Either they take far too long to make it through the image or they end up failing to get by the bad sectors .
Regardless of what you end up picking , you do n't want to use any of the recovery tools that advertise how they can fix the partition table and such on the drive , live .
. .
any recovery operation that thinks it is ok to 'fix ' a drive with data on it you want to recover has the wrong mindset .
The data is important , not making the drive work again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My favorite tools are a combination of the Trinity Rescue Kit linux boot cd and the Restorer [restorer-ultimate.com] tool.
It depends on the type of failure, but generally, I start with a ddrescue [gnu.org] to get an image of the drive, especially if the drive is running bad sectors.
Either I set the image to go to a secondary spare drive or I push it across the network.
ddrescue is nice in that it doesn't bail when it hits those bad sectors, can run in reverse mode, and eventually it'll get as much as isn't corrupt on the drive into the image.
After establishing the image, the original failed drives go into ESD bags and aren't touched again unless they are to get shipped to one of the expensive clean room type places for their style recovery.
Most of the win32 drive recovery softwares out there can handle reading from an image file, so from here on out, I work with the images I took with ddrescue.
Restorer has worked pretty well for me on getting things back from hard drives, CF cards, and even raid sets (figuring out the cluster sizes on the raid can be a pain if you don't happen to know them, but the software does support reassembling raid drives from the images you take of the single drives).
Most of the win32 packages out there have support for making the original images, but I haven't had as much luck with most of them when dealing with severely corrupted drives or with a large scattering of bad sectors.
Either they take far too long to make it through the image or they end up failing to get by the bad sectors.
Regardless of what you end up picking, you don't want to use any of the recovery tools that advertise how they can fix the partition table and such on the drive, live .
. .
any recovery operation that thinks it is ok to 'fix' a drive with data on it you want to recover has the wrong mindset.
The data is important, not making the drive work again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183311</id>
	<title>Re:Cannot beat RAID</title>
	<author>beodd</author>
	<datestamp>1243961100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, I forgot, It also had scheduled snapshots on the LUN so it could be recovered to any point at any time..  Was such a beautiful thing..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , I forgot , It also had scheduled snapshots on the LUN so it could be recovered to any point at any time.. Was such a beautiful thing. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, I forgot, It also had scheduled snapshots on the LUN so it could be recovered to any point at any time..  Was such a beautiful thing..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182921</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185679</id>
	<title>Build your toolkit</title>
	<author>DigitalCrackPipe</author>
	<datestamp>1243971180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here are a few tools I keep on hand for the less catastrophic problems:<br>
-Knoppix - live linux boot, can mount NTFS and flash drives and has a number of standard linux tools<br>
-Gparted - excellent graphical partition tool - useful in setting up a staging disk and in copying partitions, but it's unhappy if your NTFS drive is severely busted <br>
-<a href="http://ultimatebootcd.com/" title="ultimatebootcd.com">Ultimate Boot CD</a> [ultimatebootcd.com] - This disc has many tools (filesystem, hardware, etc) you shouldn't be without<br>
<br>
My recent drive crash (with backups a month old, oops) involved copying one partition with ntfsclone from the gparted disk (manually run to ignore errors).  Chkdsk and some other tinkering was enough to restore the clone.  In the end, the other partition required commercial software which worked despite my scepticism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here are a few tools I keep on hand for the less catastrophic problems : -Knoppix - live linux boot , can mount NTFS and flash drives and has a number of standard linux tools -Gparted - excellent graphical partition tool - useful in setting up a staging disk and in copying partitions , but it 's unhappy if your NTFS drive is severely busted -Ultimate Boot CD [ ultimatebootcd.com ] - This disc has many tools ( filesystem , hardware , etc ) you should n't be without My recent drive crash ( with backups a month old , oops ) involved copying one partition with ntfsclone from the gparted disk ( manually run to ignore errors ) .
Chkdsk and some other tinkering was enough to restore the clone .
In the end , the other partition required commercial software which worked despite my scepticism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here are a few tools I keep on hand for the less catastrophic problems:
-Knoppix - live linux boot, can mount NTFS and flash drives and has a number of standard linux tools
-Gparted - excellent graphical partition tool - useful in setting up a staging disk and in copying partitions, but it's unhappy if your NTFS drive is severely busted 
-Ultimate Boot CD [ultimatebootcd.com] - This disc has many tools (filesystem, hardware, etc) you shouldn't be without

My recent drive crash (with backups a month old, oops) involved copying one partition with ntfsclone from the gparted disk (manually run to ignore errors).
Chkdsk and some other tinkering was enough to restore the clone.
In the end, the other partition required commercial software which worked despite my scepticism.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181793</id>
	<title>I tell the tools</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>That they should have backed up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That they should have backed up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That they should have backed up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28192113</id>
	<title>OnTrack Data Recovery</title>
	<author>trelamenos</author>
	<datestamp>1243966920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/" title="ontrackdatarecovery.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/</a> [ontrackdatarecovery.com]

probably one of the best corp in their section...
good app choise and also services where you are sending them your hard drive and letting them to do the hard work(only when the hard drive is very dead).</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/ [ ontrackdatarecovery.com ] probably one of the best corp in their section.. . good app choise and also services where you are sending them your hard drive and letting them to do the hard work ( only when the hard drive is very dead ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/ [ontrackdatarecovery.com]

probably one of the best corp in their section...
good app choise and also services where you are sending them your hard drive and letting them to do the hard work(only when the hard drive is very dead).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28191007</id>
	<title>The NSA</title>
	<author>fredbox</author>
	<datestamp>1243956120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just file a FOIA request with the NSA for my own data. I can usually remember the redacted bits with some context. If I need help rebuilding my iTunes library I can just subpoena that from the RIAA. You're welcome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just file a FOIA request with the NSA for my own data .
I can usually remember the redacted bits with some context .
If I need help rebuilding my iTunes library I can just subpoena that from the RIAA .
You 're welcome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just file a FOIA request with the NSA for my own data.
I can usually remember the redacted bits with some context.
If I need help rebuilding my iTunes library I can just subpoena that from the RIAA.
You're welcome.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181989</id>
	<title>Spinrite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Spinrite</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Spinrite</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spinrite</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182243</id>
	<title>Re:None!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243957500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm kinda hoping your trying to be amusing here, if you are though its gone under my humour radar today (and I apologise if I seem like an arse)</p><p>Yes most "professionals" will have backups of their data (which is what I presume you are alluding to) however it's not always the case that those backups will be literally up to the minute, and sometimes its just less hassle to recover any lost "recent" data then it is to just cycle to the last backup and deal with the shortfall. Also its not exactly uncommon for "professionals" to be asked to help recover data for NON-professionals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm kinda hoping your trying to be amusing here , if you are though its gone under my humour radar today ( and I apologise if I seem like an arse ) Yes most " professionals " will have backups of their data ( which is what I presume you are alluding to ) however it 's not always the case that those backups will be literally up to the minute , and sometimes its just less hassle to recover any lost " recent " data then it is to just cycle to the last backup and deal with the shortfall .
Also its not exactly uncommon for " professionals " to be asked to help recover data for NON-professionals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm kinda hoping your trying to be amusing here, if you are though its gone under my humour radar today (and I apologise if I seem like an arse)Yes most "professionals" will have backups of their data (which is what I presume you are alluding to) however it's not always the case that those backups will be literally up to the minute, and sometimes its just less hassle to recover any lost "recent" data then it is to just cycle to the last backup and deal with the shortfall.
Also its not exactly uncommon for "professionals" to be asked to help recover data for NON-professionals.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183243</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>TheLinuxSRC</author>
	<datestamp>1243960860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I could not agree more. Just last week I had a designer friend who accidentally deleted the partition his portfolio was on. We tried to recover the partition however the MFT had become lost/corrupted.<br> <br>My first attempt to recover his data was with <a href="http://ntfsundelete.com/" title="ntfsundelete.com">ntfsundelete,</a> [ntfsundelete.com] however it did not recognize the partition at all. I next used <a href="http://www.diskinternals.com/ntfs-recovery/" title="diskinternals.com">Disk Internals NTFS Recovery</a> [diskinternals.com] program (Commercial) with the same results.<br> <br>Finally, I Googled a bit and found the <a href="http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk" title="cgsecurity.org">testdisk/photorec</a> [cgsecurity.org] package and used that. It took about 40 hours to recover ~225GB data. It was unable to recover filenames, however it did create new directories for each directory it found and recreated the files in those directories, albeit with arbitrary names. Most impressively it did recreate the files with the proper file name extensions. With some creative perl scripting I could have even renamed some of these files based on meta data in the files. This was not necessary in my case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I could not agree more .
Just last week I had a designer friend who accidentally deleted the partition his portfolio was on .
We tried to recover the partition however the MFT had become lost/corrupted .
My first attempt to recover his data was with ntfsundelete , [ ntfsundelete.com ] however it did not recognize the partition at all .
I next used Disk Internals NTFS Recovery [ diskinternals.com ] program ( Commercial ) with the same results .
Finally , I Googled a bit and found the testdisk/photorec [ cgsecurity.org ] package and used that .
It took about 40 hours to recover ~ 225GB data .
It was unable to recover filenames , however it did create new directories for each directory it found and recreated the files in those directories , albeit with arbitrary names .
Most impressively it did recreate the files with the proper file name extensions .
With some creative perl scripting I could have even renamed some of these files based on meta data in the files .
This was not necessary in my case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could not agree more.
Just last week I had a designer friend who accidentally deleted the partition his portfolio was on.
We tried to recover the partition however the MFT had become lost/corrupted.
My first attempt to recover his data was with ntfsundelete, [ntfsundelete.com] however it did not recognize the partition at all.
I next used Disk Internals NTFS Recovery [diskinternals.com] program (Commercial) with the same results.
Finally, I Googled a bit and found the testdisk/photorec [cgsecurity.org] package and used that.
It took about 40 hours to recover ~225GB data.
It was unable to recover filenames, however it did create new directories for each directory it found and recreated the files in those directories, albeit with arbitrary names.
Most impressively it did recreate the files with the proper file name extensions.
With some creative perl scripting I could have even renamed some of these files based on meta data in the files.
This was not necessary in my case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28189405</id>
	<title>Professional data recovery engineer speaking</title>
	<author>psychonaut</author>
	<datestamp>1243944420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used to be a software engineer for <a href="http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/" title="ontrackdatarecovery.com">Ontrack Data Recovery</a> [ontrackdatarecovery.com], one of the major data recovery companies.  Perhaps not surprisingly, our data recovery tools were proprietary tools custom-written in-house.  It's not something that was available to, or marketed to, the average Joe (or even the average Joe Programmer).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to be a software engineer for Ontrack Data Recovery [ ontrackdatarecovery.com ] , one of the major data recovery companies .
Perhaps not surprisingly , our data recovery tools were proprietary tools custom-written in-house .
It 's not something that was available to , or marketed to , the average Joe ( or even the average Joe Programmer ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to be a software engineer for Ontrack Data Recovery [ontrackdatarecovery.com], one of the major data recovery companies.
Perhaps not surprisingly, our data recovery tools were proprietary tools custom-written in-house.
It's not something that was available to, or marketed to, the average Joe (or even the average Joe Programmer).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28192543</id>
	<title>Phoenix from the Flames</title>
	<author>misterduffy</author>
	<datestamp>1243971840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I happened upon phoenix NTFS a little while back. No its not free but if you lack LINUX know-how its a very good option if you're having file system traumas. For recovering deleted or formatted data I've not used anything which works better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I happened upon phoenix NTFS a little while back .
No its not free but if you lack LINUX know-how its a very good option if you 're having file system traumas .
For recovering deleted or formatted data I 've not used anything which works better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I happened upon phoenix NTFS a little while back.
No its not free but if you lack LINUX know-how its a very good option if you're having file system traumas.
For recovering deleted or formatted data I've not used anything which works better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184041</id>
	<title>if Linux doesn't work</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1243964340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if the tools you can get for Linux don't work, check out <a href="http://www.r-tt.com/" title="r-tt.com">R-Studio</a> [r-tt.com].</p><p>If you come across a product called "Stellar Phoenix" RUN AWAY. They are the shittiest company in existence. A few years ago I needed a tool and the demo of Stellar Phoenix seemed it would work (it lists the files it said it could recover) so we purchased it only to find that it could not recover them. Come to find out that while they claim support for ALL of NTFS's features, their software WOULD NOT recover files compressed using NTFS compression. This was despite their claims of NTFS5.1 support. They refused to issue a refund and it was a months-long battle so we finally complained to Amex to try to get a chargeback against them but we tried to work it out directly with stellarinfo for too long, so it was too late. They (stellarinfo) claim a 30-day money-back guarantee but DO NOT HONOR IT - or at least they didn't back then.</p><p>We then tried R-Studio, and their trial software listed files it could recover - AND it could recover 64KB chunks to prove it. So for some files I needed immediately I used the trial to decompress and reassemble the files (in 64KB chunks, and then catted them together), and for the rest when we received the key for the full version. We were able to recover every single file. I've used R-studio for clients since then and it has worked every single time, providing the drive will enumerate.</p><p>If the drive will not enumerate you have two possibilities: freezing it in CO2 (I have had success with that), or finding another of the same  model drive with the same firmware and swap PCBs, and hope that the problem is with the controller and not the drive itself.</p><p>Why was there no backup? Believe me I asked the same question.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Summary:</p><p>free Linux tools - good<br>R-Studio - Awesome<br>stellar phoenix from stellar info - snake oil from a shitty company comprised of douchebags</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if the tools you can get for Linux do n't work , check out R-Studio [ r-tt.com ] .If you come across a product called " Stellar Phoenix " RUN AWAY .
They are the shittiest company in existence .
A few years ago I needed a tool and the demo of Stellar Phoenix seemed it would work ( it lists the files it said it could recover ) so we purchased it only to find that it could not recover them .
Come to find out that while they claim support for ALL of NTFS 's features , their software WOULD NOT recover files compressed using NTFS compression .
This was despite their claims of NTFS5.1 support .
They refused to issue a refund and it was a months-long battle so we finally complained to Amex to try to get a chargeback against them but we tried to work it out directly with stellarinfo for too long , so it was too late .
They ( stellarinfo ) claim a 30-day money-back guarantee but DO NOT HONOR IT - or at least they did n't back then.We then tried R-Studio , and their trial software listed files it could recover - AND it could recover 64KB chunks to prove it .
So for some files I needed immediately I used the trial to decompress and reassemble the files ( in 64KB chunks , and then catted them together ) , and for the rest when we received the key for the full version .
We were able to recover every single file .
I 've used R-studio for clients since then and it has worked every single time , providing the drive will enumerate.If the drive will not enumerate you have two possibilities : freezing it in CO2 ( I have had success with that ) , or finding another of the same model drive with the same firmware and swap PCBs , and hope that the problem is with the controller and not the drive itself.Why was there no backup ?
Believe me I asked the same question .
: ) Summary : free Linux tools - goodR-Studio - Awesomestellar phoenix from stellar info - snake oil from a shitty company comprised of douchebags</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if the tools you can get for Linux don't work, check out R-Studio [r-tt.com].If you come across a product called "Stellar Phoenix" RUN AWAY.
They are the shittiest company in existence.
A few years ago I needed a tool and the demo of Stellar Phoenix seemed it would work (it lists the files it said it could recover) so we purchased it only to find that it could not recover them.
Come to find out that while they claim support for ALL of NTFS's features, their software WOULD NOT recover files compressed using NTFS compression.
This was despite their claims of NTFS5.1 support.
They refused to issue a refund and it was a months-long battle so we finally complained to Amex to try to get a chargeback against them but we tried to work it out directly with stellarinfo for too long, so it was too late.
They (stellarinfo) claim a 30-day money-back guarantee but DO NOT HONOR IT - or at least they didn't back then.We then tried R-Studio, and their trial software listed files it could recover - AND it could recover 64KB chunks to prove it.
So for some files I needed immediately I used the trial to decompress and reassemble the files (in 64KB chunks, and then catted them together), and for the rest when we received the key for the full version.
We were able to recover every single file.
I've used R-studio for clients since then and it has worked every single time, providing the drive will enumerate.If the drive will not enumerate you have two possibilities: freezing it in CO2 (I have had success with that), or finding another of the same  model drive with the same firmware and swap PCBs, and hope that the problem is with the controller and not the drive itself.Why was there no backup?
Believe me I asked the same question.
:)Summary:free Linux tools - goodR-Studio - Awesomestellar phoenix from stellar info - snake oil from a shitty company comprised of douchebags</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181827</id>
	<title>Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ddrescue</p><p>But to be honest, if you've hit that point for an "enthusiast" user, then you're already on your last legs.  If you ain't got a backup, forget it - the chances of getting one particular file you've lost might be good, the chances of recovering any significant amounts and being able to verify their integrity are bad.</p><p>Plus, with SSD's, flash, memory cards, etc. the chances of being able to recover *anything* from a faulty drive without professional equipment are fast approaching zero.  Most USB Flash drives just "die" when they hit their write limits, rather than fail gracefully into read-only mode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ddrescueBut to be honest , if you 've hit that point for an " enthusiast " user , then you 're already on your last legs .
If you ai n't got a backup , forget it - the chances of getting one particular file you 've lost might be good , the chances of recovering any significant amounts and being able to verify their integrity are bad.Plus , with SSD 's , flash , memory cards , etc .
the chances of being able to recover * anything * from a faulty drive without professional equipment are fast approaching zero .
Most USB Flash drives just " die " when they hit their write limits , rather than fail gracefully into read-only mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ddrescueBut to be honest, if you've hit that point for an "enthusiast" user, then you're already on your last legs.
If you ain't got a backup, forget it - the chances of getting one particular file you've lost might be good, the chances of recovering any significant amounts and being able to verify their integrity are bad.Plus, with SSD's, flash, memory cards, etc.
the chances of being able to recover *anything* from a faulty drive without professional equipment are fast approaching zero.
Most USB Flash drives just "die" when they hit their write limits, rather than fail gracefully into read-only mode.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184239</id>
	<title>PhotoRec</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243965180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The GPL Free Software tool PhotoRec is a great application.  In combination with ddrescue and dd\_rescue if needed, it can pull the data off from many drive format types (and images when needed) and it has saved many drives for me and my clients.</p><p>http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec<br>apt-get install testdisk</p><p>This of course requires that the drive is visible.  Too often the drive will make some noise at boot and then fail to show once the OS loads.  I've been meaning to get an external USB enclosure to plug the drive in after boot up, but haven't yet done that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The GPL Free Software tool PhotoRec is a great application .
In combination with ddrescue and dd \ _rescue if needed , it can pull the data off from many drive format types ( and images when needed ) and it has saved many drives for me and my clients.http : //www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRecapt-get install testdiskThis of course requires that the drive is visible .
Too often the drive will make some noise at boot and then fail to show once the OS loads .
I 've been meaning to get an external USB enclosure to plug the drive in after boot up , but have n't yet done that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The GPL Free Software tool PhotoRec is a great application.
In combination with ddrescue and dd\_rescue if needed, it can pull the data off from many drive format types (and images when needed) and it has saved many drives for me and my clients.http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRecapt-get install testdiskThis of course requires that the drive is visible.
Too often the drive will make some noise at boot and then fail to show once the OS loads.
I've been meaning to get an external USB enclosure to plug the drive in after boot up, but haven't yet done that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28196629</id>
	<title>Easy Recovery Professional</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244047680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Very pricey, but it's worth it if you're doing DR on anything Windows for a living. Even if WIndows thinks your disk is unformatted, ERP will still be able to sift through and piece together directory and files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very pricey , but it 's worth it if you 're doing DR on anything Windows for a living .
Even if WIndows thinks your disk is unformatted , ERP will still be able to sift through and piece together directory and files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Very pricey, but it's worth it if you're doing DR on anything Windows for a living.
Even if WIndows thinks your disk is unformatted, ERP will still be able to sift through and piece together directory and files.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185365</id>
	<title>Chkdsk dies...</title>
	<author>kubajz</author>
	<datestamp>1243969800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On a similar note, I'm stuck with Chkdsk freezing when I let it run on Vista booting... The disk seems to work well so far, but is there any (free) way to find out what might be wrong? I have seen other cases of this problem on the 'Net but no solutions so far<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>On a similar note , I 'm stuck with Chkdsk freezing when I let it run on Vista booting... The disk seems to work well so far , but is there any ( free ) way to find out what might be wrong ?
I have seen other cases of this problem on the 'Net but no solutions so far : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On a similar note, I'm stuck with Chkdsk freezing when I let it run on Vista booting... The disk seems to work well so far, but is there any (free) way to find out what might be wrong?
I have seen other cases of this problem on the 'Net but no solutions so far :(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183731</id>
	<title>Re:Pros avoid having to use data recovery tools.</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1243962840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And middle-management tells pros "we don't have budget for backup systems!"</i></p><p>Pros implement backup systems anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And middle-management tells pros " we do n't have budget for backup systems !
" Pros implement backup systems anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And middle-management tells pros "we don't have budget for backup systems!
"Pros implement backup systems anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181927</id>
	<title>R-Studio</title>
	<author>CodyRazor</author>
	<datestamp>1243956480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back when most data recovery and disk utility applications didnt work on vista (and many still dont) I found one called r-studio. It managed to recover a whole lot of data of a damaged flaky 5TB Raid 5 array, which is pretty impressive considering it was the only application at the time that could even recognize it as a drive, all the others just call it a damaged volume.</p><p>As far as I know its still the only one that can do Raids, at least as far as I can find. It also allows many customization options of searches and donest over simplify things too much. It takes forever but it finds any potential damaged file systems and then lets you use whichever one you like to recover whichever files you like. It can also be used to recover deleted files.</p><p>As far as I recall its pretty cheap, at least compared to a few out there and worth a try. But with all recovery and security software, I find the information and their website extremely generalized and vague about what exactly you can do, so I always download the software first to make sure it can do what I want, which 90\% of the time it cant, and then if it works I buy it. Its not the most legal practice but if they dont offer demos and wont be specific about what their software does its the only practical solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back when most data recovery and disk utility applications didnt work on vista ( and many still dont ) I found one called r-studio .
It managed to recover a whole lot of data of a damaged flaky 5TB Raid 5 array , which is pretty impressive considering it was the only application at the time that could even recognize it as a drive , all the others just call it a damaged volume.As far as I know its still the only one that can do Raids , at least as far as I can find .
It also allows many customization options of searches and donest over simplify things too much .
It takes forever but it finds any potential damaged file systems and then lets you use whichever one you like to recover whichever files you like .
It can also be used to recover deleted files.As far as I recall its pretty cheap , at least compared to a few out there and worth a try .
But with all recovery and security software , I find the information and their website extremely generalized and vague about what exactly you can do , so I always download the software first to make sure it can do what I want , which 90 \ % of the time it cant , and then if it works I buy it .
Its not the most legal practice but if they dont offer demos and wont be specific about what their software does its the only practical solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back when most data recovery and disk utility applications didnt work on vista (and many still dont) I found one called r-studio.
It managed to recover a whole lot of data of a damaged flaky 5TB Raid 5 array, which is pretty impressive considering it was the only application at the time that could even recognize it as a drive, all the others just call it a damaged volume.As far as I know its still the only one that can do Raids, at least as far as I can find.
It also allows many customization options of searches and donest over simplify things too much.
It takes forever but it finds any potential damaged file systems and then lets you use whichever one you like to recover whichever files you like.
It can also be used to recover deleted files.As far as I recall its pretty cheap, at least compared to a few out there and worth a try.
But with all recovery and security software, I find the information and their website extremely generalized and vague about what exactly you can do, so I always download the software first to make sure it can do what I want, which 90\% of the time it cant, and then if it works I buy it.
Its not the most legal practice but if they dont offer demos and wont be specific about what their software does its the only practical solution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185627</id>
	<title>undelete</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1243971060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anything short of a physical failure of the drive should be recoverable with a tool like <a href="http://www.officerecovery.com/freeundelete/" title="officerecovery.com">FreeUndelete</a> [officerecovery.com] or <a href="http://ntfsundelete.com/" title="ntfsundelete.com">NTFS Undelete</a> [ntfsundelete.com]. I've used both to success, though I've not had to deal with any serious corruption or overt disk failure. Usually, those are a lost cause.</p><p>Seriously, did we bother to STFW? They're the first couple hits for "NTFS undelete" or similar.</p><p>I've also had some luck with photorec, part of the 'testdisk' package on Debian (and Ubuntu) recovering files from memory cards (though it should find lost files, to some degree, in any filesystem type - it's a diverse tool). It sure beats the hell out of manually digging for the file header and trying to reassemble!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anything short of a physical failure of the drive should be recoverable with a tool like FreeUndelete [ officerecovery.com ] or NTFS Undelete [ ntfsundelete.com ] .
I 've used both to success , though I 've not had to deal with any serious corruption or overt disk failure .
Usually , those are a lost cause.Seriously , did we bother to STFW ?
They 're the first couple hits for " NTFS undelete " or similar.I 've also had some luck with photorec , part of the 'testdisk ' package on Debian ( and Ubuntu ) recovering files from memory cards ( though it should find lost files , to some degree , in any filesystem type - it 's a diverse tool ) .
It sure beats the hell out of manually digging for the file header and trying to reassemble !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anything short of a physical failure of the drive should be recoverable with a tool like FreeUndelete [officerecovery.com] or NTFS Undelete [ntfsundelete.com].
I've used both to success, though I've not had to deal with any serious corruption or overt disk failure.
Usually, those are a lost cause.Seriously, did we bother to STFW?
They're the first couple hits for "NTFS undelete" or similar.I've also had some luck with photorec, part of the 'testdisk' package on Debian (and Ubuntu) recovering files from memory cards (though it should find lost files, to some degree, in any filesystem type - it's a diverse tool).
It sure beats the hell out of manually digging for the file header and trying to reassemble!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184811</id>
	<title>For a free solution, check</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1243967400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> <a href="http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk" title="cgsecurity.org">TestDisk</a> [cgsecurity.org].</i></p><p>Thanks for the link.  I have a Linux PC with two drives formated with ReiserFS, one set as the home directory.  The mobo failed while under warranty so I took it to the store where I got it for repair.  I specifically told them not to format the user drive but the tech reformatted it anyway.  I had more than 500GB on it so I've been looking for something to unformat it and recover the data.  Looking at the wiki you link to it looks like it can do it.  Now if only I can get off my ass, buy a new external drive, and try to recover the data.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TestDisk [ cgsecurity.org ] .Thanks for the link .
I have a Linux PC with two drives formated with ReiserFS , one set as the home directory .
The mobo failed while under warranty so I took it to the store where I got it for repair .
I specifically told them not to format the user drive but the tech reformatted it anyway .
I had more than 500GB on it so I 've been looking for something to unformat it and recover the data .
Looking at the wiki you link to it looks like it can do it .
Now if only I can get off my ass , buy a new external drive , and try to recover the data .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext> TestDisk [cgsecurity.org].Thanks for the link.
I have a Linux PC with two drives formated with ReiserFS, one set as the home directory.
The mobo failed while under warranty so I took it to the store where I got it for repair.
I specifically told them not to format the user drive but the tech reformatted it anyway.
I had more than 500GB on it so I've been looking for something to unformat it and recover the data.
Looking at the wiki you link to it looks like it can do it.
Now if only I can get off my ass, buy a new external drive, and try to recover the data.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182021</id>
	<title>foremost</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>check out open source tools for 'file carving' like foremost<br>https://wiki.remote-exploit.org/backtrack/wiki/Foremost</p><p>its open source and avail on backtrack live-cd's</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>check out open source tools for 'file carving ' like foremosthttps : //wiki.remote-exploit.org/backtrack/wiki/Foremostits open source and avail on backtrack live-cd 's</tokentext>
<sentencetext>check out open source tools for 'file carving' like foremosthttps://wiki.remote-exploit.org/backtrack/wiki/Foremostits open source and avail on backtrack live-cd's</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184473</id>
	<title>Re:Pros avoid having to use data recovery tools.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243966200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In this scenario I see a major flaw.  Either you create a quota for peoples my docs folder, or you wind up backing up mp3s, videos, pictures of their nephews first day at camp etc.   Im not certain about you but it gets pretty expensive to assume that all email and all docs and all documents are backed up automatically. Try baby sitting end users and telling them that a 14gb archive is unreasonable, or that 20gb of pictures does not belong on the server or  that mail is not the proper repository for file retrieval and storage. Weigh the cost of baby sitting hand holding and arguing about why they need to delete files and, then think about whether or not every file needs to be automatically considered back up worthy.</p><p>Secondly anything that does need to be backed up goes into a limited home folder on the network and they are responsible for placing it there. If they need to access certain files when working from home then this is mapped via gpo, and accessible thru VPN or on the terminal Server..</p><p>Backing Up/Archiving everything is not a realistic option.  It is wasteful expensive time consuming and unsustainable form a growth perspective.</p><p>Marcus</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In this scenario I see a major flaw .
Either you create a quota for peoples my docs folder , or you wind up backing up mp3s , videos , pictures of their nephews first day at camp etc .
Im not certain about you but it gets pretty expensive to assume that all email and all docs and all documents are backed up automatically .
Try baby sitting end users and telling them that a 14gb archive is unreasonable , or that 20gb of pictures does not belong on the server or that mail is not the proper repository for file retrieval and storage .
Weigh the cost of baby sitting hand holding and arguing about why they need to delete files and , then think about whether or not every file needs to be automatically considered back up worthy.Secondly anything that does need to be backed up goes into a limited home folder on the network and they are responsible for placing it there .
If they need to access certain files when working from home then this is mapped via gpo , and accessible thru VPN or on the terminal Server..Backing Up/Archiving everything is not a realistic option .
It is wasteful expensive time consuming and unsustainable form a growth perspective.Marcus</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In this scenario I see a major flaw.
Either you create a quota for peoples my docs folder, or you wind up backing up mp3s, videos, pictures of their nephews first day at camp etc.
Im not certain about you but it gets pretty expensive to assume that all email and all docs and all documents are backed up automatically.
Try baby sitting end users and telling them that a 14gb archive is unreasonable, or that 20gb of pictures does not belong on the server or  that mail is not the proper repository for file retrieval and storage.
Weigh the cost of baby sitting hand holding and arguing about why they need to delete files and, then think about whether or not every file needs to be automatically considered back up worthy.Secondly anything that does need to be backed up goes into a limited home folder on the network and they are responsible for placing it there.
If they need to access certain files when working from home then this is mapped via gpo, and accessible thru VPN or on the terminal Server..Backing Up/Archiving everything is not a realistic option.
It is wasteful expensive time consuming and unsustainable form a growth perspective.Marcus</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181769</id>
	<title>for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get Data Back works very well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get Data Back works very well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get Data Back works very well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28186879</id>
	<title>A good moment to clean up?</title>
	<author>iwein</author>
	<datestamp>1243933260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't back up (well I do, because I can, but I'm convinced I don't need to). More importantly, I don't recover. Everything of value I produce goes into a repository or to a client. If my disk doesn't crash I usually wipe it after a year anyway. Worst that ever happened to me was the loss of one day of work and the loss of another day to get the new system like I wanted it (meaning without all the crap I installed on it over the months). <p>There are plenty good solutions in this thread, but I'd say don't bother recovering, just learn the lesson and move on. I'm pretty sure you'll waste less time that way. Especially since the time wasted will not be yours it looks pretty good to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't back up ( well I do , because I can , but I 'm convinced I do n't need to ) .
More importantly , I do n't recover .
Everything of value I produce goes into a repository or to a client .
If my disk does n't crash I usually wipe it after a year anyway .
Worst that ever happened to me was the loss of one day of work and the loss of another day to get the new system like I wanted it ( meaning without all the crap I installed on it over the months ) .
There are plenty good solutions in this thread , but I 'd say do n't bother recovering , just learn the lesson and move on .
I 'm pretty sure you 'll waste less time that way .
Especially since the time wasted will not be yours it looks pretty good to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't back up (well I do, because I can, but I'm convinced I don't need to).
More importantly, I don't recover.
Everything of value I produce goes into a repository or to a client.
If my disk doesn't crash I usually wipe it after a year anyway.
Worst that ever happened to me was the loss of one day of work and the loss of another day to get the new system like I wanted it (meaning without all the crap I installed on it over the months).
There are plenty good solutions in this thread, but I'd say don't bother recovering, just learn the lesson and move on.
I'm pretty sure you'll waste less time that way.
Especially since the time wasted will not be yours it looks pretty good to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28186131</id>
	<title>Autopsy is the leading free tool for this</title>
	<author>jschottm</author>
	<datestamp>1243973160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not a full time professional in data recovery but I am trained and certified in hard drive forensics.</p><p>I'm assuming you're talking about recovering data that is lost from corruption errors, not the drive itself dying.</p><p>There's a variety of free command line tools that are used for recovering data from corrupted hard drives that function at various levels (such as inodes), but really, unless you have training in them or need something really specific, the graphic (via web browser) frontend Autopsy is the way to go:</p><p><a href="http://www.sleuthkit.org/autopsy/" title="sleuthkit.org">http://www.sleuthkit.org/autopsy/</a> [sleuthkit.org]</p><p>If I'm looking for a specific type of file, sometimes I'll use Foremost:</p><p><a href="http://foremost.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">http://foremost.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net]</p><p>As far as commercial software, EnCase commonly used but pricey compared to Autopsy.</p><p><a href="http://www.guidancesoftware.com/" title="guidancesoftware.com">http://www.guidancesoftware.com/</a> [guidancesoftware.com]</p><p>The key thing with either the commercial or non-commercial options is to avoid damaging the file system you're working on.  This means that if you're attempting to mount the drive from a working machine that you do so read-only (if you get really into this, there are hard drive -&gt; USB mounts that block all writes) and if possible you clone the drive into an image and work on that rather than the original.  The free version to do that is dd.  Be sure to use the noerror option on it to make sure that a bad sector doesn't cause the process to fail.</p><p>Also, clone the entire drive, not just the partition in case there's data that you need outside of the partition.  In other words, do this:</p><p>dd if=/dev/hda of=/forensics/image.dd conv=noerror,sync</p><p>Rather than this:</p><p>dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/forensics/image.dd conv=noerror,sync</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a full time professional in data recovery but I am trained and certified in hard drive forensics.I 'm assuming you 're talking about recovering data that is lost from corruption errors , not the drive itself dying.There 's a variety of free command line tools that are used for recovering data from corrupted hard drives that function at various levels ( such as inodes ) , but really , unless you have training in them or need something really specific , the graphic ( via web browser ) frontend Autopsy is the way to go : http : //www.sleuthkit.org/autopsy/ [ sleuthkit.org ] If I 'm looking for a specific type of file , sometimes I 'll use Foremost : http : //foremost.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ] As far as commercial software , EnCase commonly used but pricey compared to Autopsy.http : //www.guidancesoftware.com/ [ guidancesoftware.com ] The key thing with either the commercial or non-commercial options is to avoid damaging the file system you 're working on .
This means that if you 're attempting to mount the drive from a working machine that you do so read-only ( if you get really into this , there are hard drive - &gt; USB mounts that block all writes ) and if possible you clone the drive into an image and work on that rather than the original .
The free version to do that is dd .
Be sure to use the noerror option on it to make sure that a bad sector does n't cause the process to fail.Also , clone the entire drive , not just the partition in case there 's data that you need outside of the partition .
In other words , do this : dd if = /dev/hda of = /forensics/image.dd conv = noerror,syncRather than this : dd if = /dev/hda1 of = /forensics/image.dd conv = noerror,sync</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a full time professional in data recovery but I am trained and certified in hard drive forensics.I'm assuming you're talking about recovering data that is lost from corruption errors, not the drive itself dying.There's a variety of free command line tools that are used for recovering data from corrupted hard drives that function at various levels (such as inodes), but really, unless you have training in them or need something really specific, the graphic (via web browser) frontend Autopsy is the way to go:http://www.sleuthkit.org/autopsy/ [sleuthkit.org]If I'm looking for a specific type of file, sometimes I'll use Foremost:http://foremost.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]As far as commercial software, EnCase commonly used but pricey compared to Autopsy.http://www.guidancesoftware.com/ [guidancesoftware.com]The key thing with either the commercial or non-commercial options is to avoid damaging the file system you're working on.
This means that if you're attempting to mount the drive from a working machine that you do so read-only (if you get really into this, there are hard drive -&gt; USB mounts that block all writes) and if possible you clone the drive into an image and work on that rather than the original.
The free version to do that is dd.
Be sure to use the noerror option on it to make sure that a bad sector doesn't cause the process to fail.Also, clone the entire drive, not just the partition in case there's data that you need outside of the partition.
In other words, do this:dd if=/dev/hda of=/forensics/image.dd conv=noerror,syncRather than this:dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/forensics/image.dd conv=noerror,sync</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182031</id>
	<title>Great little tool</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This tool has saved me many times from various issues when it comes to Windows.</p><p>http://www.ntfs.com/boot-disk.htm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This tool has saved me many times from various issues when it comes to Windows.http : //www.ntfs.com/boot-disk.htm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This tool has saved me many times from various issues when it comes to Windows.http://www.ntfs.com/boot-disk.htm</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182137</id>
	<title>RStudio</title>
	<author>horatio</author>
	<datestamp>1243957140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used to use Norton Tools, until it was bastardized by Symantec.  I have had good luck in the last couple of years with RStudio (http://www.r-tt.com/).  I used it to recover the pictures from a wiped SD card.  I wish I hadn't once I saw the photos, but that isn't the software's fault.  Looks like there is a free version for use on ext2/ext3 filesystems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to use Norton Tools , until it was bastardized by Symantec .
I have had good luck in the last couple of years with RStudio ( http : //www.r-tt.com/ ) .
I used it to recover the pictures from a wiped SD card .
I wish I had n't once I saw the photos , but that is n't the software 's fault .
Looks like there is a free version for use on ext2/ext3 filesystems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to use Norton Tools, until it was bastardized by Symantec.
I have had good luck in the last couple of years with RStudio (http://www.r-tt.com/).
I used it to recover the pictures from a wiped SD card.
I wish I hadn't once I saw the photos, but that isn't the software's fault.
Looks like there is a free version for use on ext2/ext3 filesystems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28189207</id>
	<title>Stellar Phoenix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243943460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stellar, www.stellarinfo.com has to be the best tool I have used for recovery,</p><p>It provides a great GUI and has heaps of tweakables, supports most common  systems (yes there is a linux version too!) and can even recover data from a formatted drive.</p><p>5 stars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stellar , www.stellarinfo.com has to be the best tool I have used for recovery,It provides a great GUI and has heaps of tweakables , supports most common systems ( yes there is a linux version too !
) and can even recover data from a formatted drive.5 stars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stellar, www.stellarinfo.com has to be the best tool I have used for recovery,It provides a great GUI and has heaps of tweakables, supports most common  systems (yes there is a linux version too!
) and can even recover data from a formatted drive.5 stars.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182069</id>
	<title>Free Software always has a warm spot in my heart!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Boot up your favorite LiveCD and have a spare hard drive handy</p><p>dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb conv=noerror,sync</p><p>Of course, hda and hdb may vary depending on what you've got under the hood.<br>When all is said and done, your spare hard drive is a great replacement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Boot up your favorite LiveCD and have a spare hard drive handydd if = /dev/hda of = /dev/hdb conv = noerror,syncOf course , hda and hdb may vary depending on what you 've got under the hood.When all is said and done , your spare hard drive is a great replacement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Boot up your favorite LiveCD and have a spare hard drive handydd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb conv=noerror,syncOf course, hda and hdb may vary depending on what you've got under the hood.When all is said and done, your spare hard drive is a great replacement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28186109</id>
	<title>Mac OS X options (also: the freezer trick)</title>
	<author>kriegsman</author>
	<datestamp>1243973040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>For an Mac OS X volume (HFS, HFS+), I've had lots of luck with <a href="http://www.prosofteng.com/products/data\_rescue.php" title="prosofteng.com">Data Rescue II</a> [prosofteng.com] ($99) for recovering from serious drive failures.  For drives that are still operational but have become borked at the filesystem level, <a href="http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html" title="alsoft.com">Disk Warrior</a> [alsoft.com] does a great job of rebuilding a healthy new directory structure.  I make it a point to always have a copy of Disk Warrior within 100 yards of my PowerBook.

<p>Also, a couple of times I've had dying drives that work OK for a few minutes after a cold boot, and then they (heat up and) die.  I've had good luck throwing the drive in the freezer (in a ziplock bag) for a day, then powering up it, recovering as much as I can until the drive chokes again, lather, rinse, repeat, until all recoverable data has been copies off to a good drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For an Mac OS X volume ( HFS , HFS + ) , I 've had lots of luck with Data Rescue II [ prosofteng.com ] ( $ 99 ) for recovering from serious drive failures .
For drives that are still operational but have become borked at the filesystem level , Disk Warrior [ alsoft.com ] does a great job of rebuilding a healthy new directory structure .
I make it a point to always have a copy of Disk Warrior within 100 yards of my PowerBook .
Also , a couple of times I 've had dying drives that work OK for a few minutes after a cold boot , and then they ( heat up and ) die .
I 've had good luck throwing the drive in the freezer ( in a ziplock bag ) for a day , then powering up it , recovering as much as I can until the drive chokes again , lather , rinse , repeat , until all recoverable data has been copies off to a good drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For an Mac OS X volume (HFS, HFS+), I've had lots of luck with Data Rescue II [prosofteng.com] ($99) for recovering from serious drive failures.
For drives that are still operational but have become borked at the filesystem level, Disk Warrior [alsoft.com] does a great job of rebuilding a healthy new directory structure.
I make it a point to always have a copy of Disk Warrior within 100 yards of my PowerBook.
Also, a couple of times I've had dying drives that work OK for a few minutes after a cold boot, and then they (heat up and) die.
I've had good luck throwing the drive in the freezer (in a ziplock bag) for a day, then powering up it, recovering as much as I can until the drive chokes again, lather, rinse, repeat, until all recoverable data has been copies off to a good drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28191229</id>
	<title>data recovery methods</title>
	<author>amxcoder</author>
	<datestamp>1243958160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like many have mentioned, I've used a Knoppix boot CD for my most intense recovery to date and it worked.  It was a corrupted NTFS file system that would cause any windows based computer to crash when it mounted the drive, so using another computer didn't work.  Knoppix was able to mount the drive in read only mode.


Making a clone of the disk is also a good idea and what the "Pro's" would do for the reasons mentioned already.  If it's a physical problem, and the data is important enough, I've seen companies that will go as far as taking the drive to a clean room, and physically disassembling the bad drive and moving the platters over into a new case to get it working, then cloning it, then performing all the software tricks on the clone.  You wouldn't want to try this without a clean room though.


For damaged/corrupted data (like from a damaged platter) I remember seeing a brief video where some FBI guy was going through the harddrive on a byte level and using error correction software and manually guiding the software to try to rebuild the damaged bytes.  I think this would only be effective for single file recovery though, where you know what kind of data 'should be there', and also because going through a 500GB drive byte by byte would be a lesson in futility.


I've also heard that some of the more prestigious data recovery companies use proprietary software that will help rebuild missing data using the data that is available.  The FBI thing I mentioned may be a similar situation.  Remember, that recovering a file and recovering a USABLE file is two different things.  You may be able to get the file back, but if bytes within the file were damaged/lost, then the file still might not be usable without some kind of error correction method.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like many have mentioned , I 've used a Knoppix boot CD for my most intense recovery to date and it worked .
It was a corrupted NTFS file system that would cause any windows based computer to crash when it mounted the drive , so using another computer did n't work .
Knoppix was able to mount the drive in read only mode .
Making a clone of the disk is also a good idea and what the " Pro 's " would do for the reasons mentioned already .
If it 's a physical problem , and the data is important enough , I 've seen companies that will go as far as taking the drive to a clean room , and physically disassembling the bad drive and moving the platters over into a new case to get it working , then cloning it , then performing all the software tricks on the clone .
You would n't want to try this without a clean room though .
For damaged/corrupted data ( like from a damaged platter ) I remember seeing a brief video where some FBI guy was going through the harddrive on a byte level and using error correction software and manually guiding the software to try to rebuild the damaged bytes .
I think this would only be effective for single file recovery though , where you know what kind of data 'should be there ' , and also because going through a 500GB drive byte by byte would be a lesson in futility .
I 've also heard that some of the more prestigious data recovery companies use proprietary software that will help rebuild missing data using the data that is available .
The FBI thing I mentioned may be a similar situation .
Remember , that recovering a file and recovering a USABLE file is two different things .
You may be able to get the file back , but if bytes within the file were damaged/lost , then the file still might not be usable without some kind of error correction method .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like many have mentioned, I've used a Knoppix boot CD for my most intense recovery to date and it worked.
It was a corrupted NTFS file system that would cause any windows based computer to crash when it mounted the drive, so using another computer didn't work.
Knoppix was able to mount the drive in read only mode.
Making a clone of the disk is also a good idea and what the "Pro's" would do for the reasons mentioned already.
If it's a physical problem, and the data is important enough, I've seen companies that will go as far as taking the drive to a clean room, and physically disassembling the bad drive and moving the platters over into a new case to get it working, then cloning it, then performing all the software tricks on the clone.
You wouldn't want to try this without a clean room though.
For damaged/corrupted data (like from a damaged platter) I remember seeing a brief video where some FBI guy was going through the harddrive on a byte level and using error correction software and manually guiding the software to try to rebuild the damaged bytes.
I think this would only be effective for single file recovery though, where you know what kind of data 'should be there', and also because going through a 500GB drive byte by byte would be a lesson in futility.
I've also heard that some of the more prestigious data recovery companies use proprietary software that will help rebuild missing data using the data that is available.
The FBI thing I mentioned may be a similar situation.
Remember, that recovering a file and recovering a USABLE file is two different things.
You may be able to get the file back, but if bytes within the file were damaged/lost, then the file still might not be usable without some kind of error correction method.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28212087</id>
	<title>Re:Repair a clone of a clone</title>
	<author>eta526</author>
	<datestamp>1244140680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Assuming the disk works at all: Work on a clone, not the original.
</p><p>
If you are working on a 2nd generation clone you can afford to take risks in restoring
the filesystem. "Oh it that didn't work, fire up another clone and try something else".
</p></div><p>This is what I have done using Ghost. There was an option to take a bit-for-bit copy of the drive. It didn't always work, but it would sometimes let you make a backup of the bad drive and restore it onto a good one, and then take a proper ghost image if necessary and recover your files. Any files which were corrupted on the original would still be corrupted, but anything else on the drive was suddenly readable and writable, meaning you can not only recover your data but even repair Windows if necessary and keep using the same drive image so there was typically no need to completely rebuild the system.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Assuming the disk works at all : Work on a clone , not the original .
If you are working on a 2nd generation clone you can afford to take risks in restoring the filesystem .
" Oh it that did n't work , fire up another clone and try something else " .
This is what I have done using Ghost .
There was an option to take a bit-for-bit copy of the drive .
It did n't always work , but it would sometimes let you make a backup of the bad drive and restore it onto a good one , and then take a proper ghost image if necessary and recover your files .
Any files which were corrupted on the original would still be corrupted , but anything else on the drive was suddenly readable and writable , meaning you can not only recover your data but even repair Windows if necessary and keep using the same drive image so there was typically no need to completely rebuild the system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assuming the disk works at all: Work on a clone, not the original.
If you are working on a 2nd generation clone you can afford to take risks in restoring
the filesystem.
"Oh it that didn't work, fire up another clone and try something else".
This is what I have done using Ghost.
There was an option to take a bit-for-bit copy of the drive.
It didn't always work, but it would sometimes let you make a backup of the bad drive and restore it onto a good one, and then take a proper ghost image if necessary and recover your files.
Any files which were corrupted on the original would still be corrupted, but anything else on the drive was suddenly readable and writable, meaning you can not only recover your data but even repair Windows if necessary and keep using the same drive image so there was typically no need to completely rebuild the system.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28191775</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>LifesRoadie</author>
	<datestamp>1243963260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I also agree, a simple (read intuitive) and effective package.</p><p>I used it for some years while running a (small) PC repair business. Good stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also agree , a simple ( read intuitive ) and effective package.I used it for some years while running a ( small ) PC repair business .
Good stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also agree, a simple (read intuitive) and effective package.I used it for some years while running a (small) PC repair business.
Good stuff.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181769</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182295</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243957680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a Cleric cast Resurrection on the hard drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Cleric cast Resurrection on the hard drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Cleric cast Resurrection on the hard drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28187963</id>
	<title>Re:Pros avoid having to use data recovery tools.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243937580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a GPO redirecting My Documents to U:. I considered redirecting the desktop to U:\Desktop, but I never bothered with it. Unfortunately, I started to learn--the hard way--that nobody listened to me, and it became my fault when users lost stuff they put on the desktop.</p><p>I redirected desktops to U:\Desktop, and one user called me screaming. She had about 10 GB of crap on her desktop, and the copy process was taking a while...</p><p>There were a few extremely stubborn users who intentionally stored stuff in C:\Documents and Settings\username<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and, of course, one of them lost everything. Of course, I got the riot act for it, and nobody listened. Did I mention I don't work there anymore?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a GPO redirecting My Documents to U : .
I considered redirecting the desktop to U : \ Desktop , but I never bothered with it .
Unfortunately , I started to learn--the hard way--that nobody listened to me , and it became my fault when users lost stuff they put on the desktop.I redirected desktops to U : \ Desktop , and one user called me screaming .
She had about 10 GB of crap on her desktop , and the copy process was taking a while...There were a few extremely stubborn users who intentionally stored stuff in C : \ Documents and Settings \ username ... and , of course , one of them lost everything .
Of course , I got the riot act for it , and nobody listened .
Did I mention I do n't work there anymore ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a GPO redirecting My Documents to U:.
I considered redirecting the desktop to U:\Desktop, but I never bothered with it.
Unfortunately, I started to learn--the hard way--that nobody listened to me, and it became my fault when users lost stuff they put on the desktop.I redirected desktops to U:\Desktop, and one user called me screaming.
She had about 10 GB of crap on her desktop, and the copy process was taking a while...There were a few extremely stubborn users who intentionally stored stuff in C:\Documents and Settings\username ... and, of course, one of them lost everything.
Of course, I got the riot act for it, and nobody listened.
Did I mention I don't work there anymore?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183703</id>
	<title>ddrescue is dd for bad drives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243962720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>don't wast your time using dd on a bad drive, ddrescue is dd that doesn't barf when it cant read a sector</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>do n't wast your time using dd on a bad drive , ddrescue is dd that does n't barf when it cant read a sector</tokentext>
<sentencetext>don't wast your time using dd on a bad drive, ddrescue is dd that doesn't barf when it cant read a sector</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182015</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183727</id>
	<title>Re:I Like Knoppix with a Good BIOS</title>
	<author>ctrl-alt-canc</author>
	<datestamp>1243962780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Knoppix is used here as well, and it can help you to save your data in many situations. One suggestion: not every network card is supported by the standard knoppix distributions, so either you burn a custom knoppix CD tailored for your system, or you keep a disk at hand with the appropriate drivers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Knoppix is used here as well , and it can help you to save your data in many situations .
One suggestion : not every network card is supported by the standard knoppix distributions , so either you burn a custom knoppix CD tailored for your system , or you keep a disk at hand with the appropriate drivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Knoppix is used here as well, and it can help you to save your data in many situations.
One suggestion: not every network card is supported by the standard knoppix distributions, so either you burn a custom knoppix CD tailored for your system, or you keep a disk at hand with the appropriate drivers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181849</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184459</id>
	<title>Re:GetDataBack</title>
	<author>node159</author>
	<datestamp>1243966140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd agree, GetDataBack (NTFS) has recovered some seriously f*cked HDD's my clients have brought in. It might be slow but it gets the job done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd agree , GetDataBack ( NTFS ) has recovered some seriously f * cked HDD 's my clients have brought in .
It might be slow but it gets the job done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd agree, GetDataBack (NTFS) has recovered some seriously f*cked HDD's my clients have brought in.
It might be slow but it gets the job done.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181807</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28204309</id>
	<title>Re:Freeze the drive, seriously...</title>
	<author>gigoguy</author>
	<datestamp>1244036880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is the last ditch attempt to recover a personal drive.  If your donkey is on the line at work, send it to the expensive clean room guys.  After all, they're expensive clean room guys - if they can't do it, how can you be held responsible?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the last ditch attempt to recover a personal drive .
If your donkey is on the line at work , send it to the expensive clean room guys .
After all , they 're expensive clean room guys - if they ca n't do it , how can you be held responsible ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the last ditch attempt to recover a personal drive.
If your donkey is on the line at work, send it to the expensive clean room guys.
After all, they're expensive clean room guys - if they can't do it, how can you be held responsible?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28186909</id>
	<title>GHOST and netbootdisk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243933380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I back up my data by doing the following:</p><p>1. Burn copies of "irreplaceable" data to a DVD and tuck it away someplace safe<br>2. Use netbootdisk (www.netbootdisk.com) to create a recovery CD that will boot the computer and allow me to map a network drive (In my case, a network share running on my linux server) from DOS.<br>3. run GHOST and create or restore an image.</p><p>That has always gotten me back up and running within minutes. Downside is that I have to keep the GHOST image updated, but that's a once-a-month thing. The GHOST image just prevents me from spending hours doing a clean install.. convenience only. The "real" data is always burned to CD.</p><p>I'm sure there are more elegant solutions out there, but this is what works for me. I've probably done a dozen image restorations and they've always worked flawlessly.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I back up my data by doing the following : 1 .
Burn copies of " irreplaceable " data to a DVD and tuck it away someplace safe2 .
Use netbootdisk ( www.netbootdisk.com ) to create a recovery CD that will boot the computer and allow me to map a network drive ( In my case , a network share running on my linux server ) from DOS.3 .
run GHOST and create or restore an image.That has always gotten me back up and running within minutes .
Downside is that I have to keep the GHOST image updated , but that 's a once-a-month thing .
The GHOST image just prevents me from spending hours doing a clean install.. convenience only .
The " real " data is always burned to CD.I 'm sure there are more elegant solutions out there , but this is what works for me .
I 've probably done a dozen image restorations and they 've always worked flawlessly .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I back up my data by doing the following:1.
Burn copies of "irreplaceable" data to a DVD and tuck it away someplace safe2.
Use netbootdisk (www.netbootdisk.com) to create a recovery CD that will boot the computer and allow me to map a network drive (In my case, a network share running on my linux server) from DOS.3.
run GHOST and create or restore an image.That has always gotten me back up and running within minutes.
Downside is that I have to keep the GHOST image updated, but that's a once-a-month thing.
The GHOST image just prevents me from spending hours doing a clean install.. convenience only.
The "real" data is always burned to CD.I'm sure there are more elegant solutions out there, but this is what works for me.
I've probably done a dozen image restorations and they've always worked flawlessly.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182061</id>
	<title>its the mechanical failures</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1243956900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that keep the expensive guys in business</p><p>if all data loss were just a matter of awesome software, then wonderful. but frequently you are dealing with mechanical failures like the write head crashing onto the platters, death of the controller, failing motor, etc.</p><p>no software is going to fix these things. then its to the $100/hr guys in the clean room</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that keep the expensive guys in businessif all data loss were just a matter of awesome software , then wonderful .
but frequently you are dealing with mechanical failures like the write head crashing onto the platters , death of the controller , failing motor , etc.no software is going to fix these things .
then its to the $ 100/hr guys in the clean room</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that keep the expensive guys in businessif all data loss were just a matter of awesome software, then wonderful.
but frequently you are dealing with mechanical failures like the write head crashing onto the platters, death of the controller, failing motor, etc.no software is going to fix these things.
then its to the $100/hr guys in the clean room</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182339</id>
	<title>Re:Pros avoid having to use data recovery tools.</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1243957860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That works just fine until a computer illiterate employee didn't back up their files, spent weeks making a file, the HD gives the click of death and your boss says how he read about recovering data from a broken HD and if you can't do it he can "find someone else".</htmltext>
<tokenext>That works just fine until a computer illiterate employee did n't back up their files , spent weeks making a file , the HD gives the click of death and your boss says how he read about recovering data from a broken HD and if you ca n't do it he can " find someone else " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That works just fine until a computer illiterate employee didn't back up their files, spent weeks making a file, the HD gives the click of death and your boss says how he read about recovering data from a broken HD and if you can't do it he can "find someone else".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182335</id>
	<title>One time I used Me</title>
	<author>TinBromide</author>
	<datestamp>1243957800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a drive where the file system was shredded, so I loaded the drive into <a href="http://www.accessdata.com/downloads.html" title="accessdata.com">FTK Imager (its free, about halway down the page)</a> [accessdata.com], did a search of the raw space of the drive for the file name I needed, found the relevant <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/2187280/NTFS-Documentation" title="scribd.com">$i30 reference (its in there),</a> [scribd.com] jumped to the relevant sectors on the disk using ftk imager's goto command , carved out the hex with ftk imager's copy hex command, dumped it into a hex editor, and saved the file under the extension. It worked perfectly. <br> <br>Uphill, both ways, in the snow. <br> <br>This is the ultimate last resort if you absolutely, have to, get a file back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a drive where the file system was shredded , so I loaded the drive into FTK Imager ( its free , about halway down the page ) [ accessdata.com ] , did a search of the raw space of the drive for the file name I needed , found the relevant $ i30 reference ( its in there ) , [ scribd.com ] jumped to the relevant sectors on the disk using ftk imager 's goto command , carved out the hex with ftk imager 's copy hex command , dumped it into a hex editor , and saved the file under the extension .
It worked perfectly .
Uphill , both ways , in the snow .
This is the ultimate last resort if you absolutely , have to , get a file back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a drive where the file system was shredded, so I loaded the drive into FTK Imager (its free, about halway down the page) [accessdata.com], did a search of the raw space of the drive for the file name I needed, found the relevant $i30 reference (its in there), [scribd.com] jumped to the relevant sectors on the disk using ftk imager's goto command , carved out the hex with ftk imager's copy hex command, dumped it into a hex editor, and saved the file under the extension.
It worked perfectly.
Uphill, both ways, in the snow.
This is the ultimate last resort if you absolutely, have to, get a file back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182393</id>
	<title>Re:Pros avoid having to use data recovery tools.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243958040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think you're confusing BoFH with Pros.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 're confusing BoFH with Pros .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you're confusing BoFH with Pros.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181951</id>
	<title>This question exists on Serverfault.com</title>
	<author>Alt\_Cognito</author>
	<datestamp>1243956540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You may find the following threads helpful:</p><p><a href="http://serverfault.com/questions/4331/crashed-hard-drive-data-retrieval" title="serverfault.com" rel="nofollow">http://serverfault.com/questions/4331/crashed-hard-drive-data-retrieval</a> [serverfault.com]</p><p><a href="http://serverfault.com/questions/4482/hard-drive-data-rescue-services" title="serverfault.com" rel="nofollow">http://serverfault.com/questions/4482/hard-drive-data-rescue-services</a> [serverfault.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may find the following threads helpful : http : //serverfault.com/questions/4331/crashed-hard-drive-data-retrieval [ serverfault.com ] http : //serverfault.com/questions/4482/hard-drive-data-rescue-services [ serverfault.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may find the following threads helpful:http://serverfault.com/questions/4331/crashed-hard-drive-data-retrieval [serverfault.com]http://serverfault.com/questions/4482/hard-drive-data-rescue-services [serverfault.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183041</id>
	<title>Re:Spinrite works miracles</title>
	<author>NetRanger</author>
	<datestamp>1243960260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same here. At $89, SpinRite is a bit on the pricey side, but I have recovered data from hard drives that I thought I had zero chance of saving. I figure since it saved hundreds of dollars in labor -- several times -- it was worth every penny. Especially in those circumstances where your highly paid datacenter techs thought it was a great idea to construct a RAID 5 from all identical hard drives from the exact same manufacturer lot. Sucks when two of those drives experience the exact same fault within a few minutes of each other. Fortunately I was able to whip out SpinRite and save the day, because otherwise we were looking at days and days of restoring from incremental backup tapes.</p><p>It's an ancient-looking DOS command-line utility, but I definitely give props to Steve Gibson for keeping SpinRite up to date to where it works on modern hard drives. $89 versus days and days of overtime pay for IT guys -- it certainly made me look pretty good come performance review time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same here .
At $ 89 , SpinRite is a bit on the pricey side , but I have recovered data from hard drives that I thought I had zero chance of saving .
I figure since it saved hundreds of dollars in labor -- several times -- it was worth every penny .
Especially in those circumstances where your highly paid datacenter techs thought it was a great idea to construct a RAID 5 from all identical hard drives from the exact same manufacturer lot .
Sucks when two of those drives experience the exact same fault within a few minutes of each other .
Fortunately I was able to whip out SpinRite and save the day , because otherwise we were looking at days and days of restoring from incremental backup tapes.It 's an ancient-looking DOS command-line utility , but I definitely give props to Steve Gibson for keeping SpinRite up to date to where it works on modern hard drives .
$ 89 versus days and days of overtime pay for IT guys -- it certainly made me look pretty good come performance review time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same here.
At $89, SpinRite is a bit on the pricey side, but I have recovered data from hard drives that I thought I had zero chance of saving.
I figure since it saved hundreds of dollars in labor -- several times -- it was worth every penny.
Especially in those circumstances where your highly paid datacenter techs thought it was a great idea to construct a RAID 5 from all identical hard drives from the exact same manufacturer lot.
Sucks when two of those drives experience the exact same fault within a few minutes of each other.
Fortunately I was able to whip out SpinRite and save the day, because otherwise we were looking at days and days of restoring from incremental backup tapes.It's an ancient-looking DOS command-line utility, but I definitely give props to Steve Gibson for keeping SpinRite up to date to where it works on modern hard drives.
$89 versus days and days of overtime pay for IT guys -- it certainly made me look pretty good come performance review time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182129</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181875</id>
	<title>Software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have had decent results with GetDataBack , R-studio, active@'s software in a few cases</p><p>ddrescue is convenient.</p><p>Trinity Rescue kit may help you.</p><p>I'd get people to make regular backups (force it if i have to) and then restore off the backup though most likely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have had decent results with GetDataBack , R-studio , active @ 's software in a few casesddrescue is convenient.Trinity Rescue kit may help you.I 'd get people to make regular backups ( force it if i have to ) and then restore off the backup though most likely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have had decent results with GetDataBack , R-studio, active@'s software in a few casesddrescue is convenient.Trinity Rescue kit may help you.I'd get people to make regular backups (force it if i have to) and then restore off the backup though most likely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28196837</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>MrKaos</author>
	<datestamp>1244048340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I've been doing consulting and software development for around 30 years, and when I was young and dumb, thought I could fix anything. Now I know better and have found that in this situation, the phrase "Wow, that's too bad. Where are your backups?" works nicely.</p></div></blockquote><p>
A data recovery job early in my career were Telescope images for the CSIRO that I was told would not be available for imaging for another 25 year. They really appreciated the effort and a lot of unrelated systems work came out of me making the effort for them.</p><p>
I acknowledge that that is a perfectly reasonable position to take for say a database or spreadsheet information, when it comes to word processing documents and pictures it's pretty obvious when artifacts are introduced. However the wisdom of your position is undeniable and I will certainly be incorporating it into whether I undertake a data recovery job considering the potential for liability.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been doing consulting and software development for around 30 years , and when I was young and dumb , thought I could fix anything .
Now I know better and have found that in this situation , the phrase " Wow , that 's too bad .
Where are your backups ?
" works nicely .
A data recovery job early in my career were Telescope images for the CSIRO that I was told would not be available for imaging for another 25 year .
They really appreciated the effort and a lot of unrelated systems work came out of me making the effort for them .
I acknowledge that that is a perfectly reasonable position to take for say a database or spreadsheet information , when it comes to word processing documents and pictures it 's pretty obvious when artifacts are introduced .
However the wisdom of your position is undeniable and I will certainly be incorporating it into whether I undertake a data recovery job considering the potential for liability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been doing consulting and software development for around 30 years, and when I was young and dumb, thought I could fix anything.
Now I know better and have found that in this situation, the phrase "Wow, that's too bad.
Where are your backups?
" works nicely.
A data recovery job early in my career were Telescope images for the CSIRO that I was told would not be available for imaging for another 25 year.
They really appreciated the effort and a lot of unrelated systems work came out of me making the effort for them.
I acknowledge that that is a perfectly reasonable position to take for say a database or spreadsheet information, when it comes to word processing documents and pictures it's pretty obvious when artifacts are introduced.
However the wisdom of your position is undeniable and I will certainly be incorporating it into whether I undertake a data recovery job considering the potential for liability.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183055</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28186125</id>
	<title>Re:dd</title>
	<author>prograde</author>
	<datestamp>1243973100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even better, use <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html" title="gnu.org" rel="nofollow">GNU ddrescue</a> [gnu.org] (basically, an intelligent wrapper for dd).</p><p>It will reads larger blocks when it can, smaller ones when it's finding errors, writes a log file and allows resuming.</p><p>I'll go you one better - make a copy, then make a copy of the copy, then recover the 2nd generation copy.  That way, you avoid a second pass through the failing drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even better , use GNU ddrescue [ gnu.org ] ( basically , an intelligent wrapper for dd ) .It will reads larger blocks when it can , smaller ones when it 's finding errors , writes a log file and allows resuming.I 'll go you one better - make a copy , then make a copy of the copy , then recover the 2nd generation copy .
That way , you avoid a second pass through the failing drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even better, use GNU ddrescue [gnu.org] (basically, an intelligent wrapper for dd).It will reads larger blocks when it can, smaller ones when it's finding errors, writes a log file and allows resuming.I'll go you one better - make a copy, then make a copy of the copy, then recover the 2nd generation copy.
That way, you avoid a second pass through the failing drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185435</id>
	<title>Recuva + good controller</title>
	<author>AmiMoJo</author>
	<datestamp>1243970100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Recuva (http://www.recuva.com/) is free and works pretty well. It has a handy preview feature too, although it doesn't always work.</p><p>To be honest, there isn't really much beyond what Recuva can do. Some paid-for tools support scanning for a few more file types in situations where the filesystem is gone and you have to scan the whole disk, but unless you happen to have files in some unusual format then there is no real advantage.</p><p>The one thing which does make a big difference is the drive controller. Some chipsets are a lot better than others at dealing with knackered disks. You need one which does not lock up for long periods or try to read bad sectors too many times, otherwise your scan will take days or weeks with no improvement in the amount of data recovered. ATI chipsets seem to be best.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Recuva ( http : //www.recuva.com/ ) is free and works pretty well .
It has a handy preview feature too , although it does n't always work.To be honest , there is n't really much beyond what Recuva can do .
Some paid-for tools support scanning for a few more file types in situations where the filesystem is gone and you have to scan the whole disk , but unless you happen to have files in some unusual format then there is no real advantage.The one thing which does make a big difference is the drive controller .
Some chipsets are a lot better than others at dealing with knackered disks .
You need one which does not lock up for long periods or try to read bad sectors too many times , otherwise your scan will take days or weeks with no improvement in the amount of data recovered .
ATI chipsets seem to be best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Recuva (http://www.recuva.com/) is free and works pretty well.
It has a handy preview feature too, although it doesn't always work.To be honest, there isn't really much beyond what Recuva can do.
Some paid-for tools support scanning for a few more file types in situations where the filesystem is gone and you have to scan the whole disk, but unless you happen to have files in some unusual format then there is no real advantage.The one thing which does make a big difference is the drive controller.
Some chipsets are a lot better than others at dealing with knackered disks.
You need one which does not lock up for long periods or try to read bad sectors too many times, otherwise your scan will take days or weeks with no improvement in the amount of data recovered.
ATI chipsets seem to be best.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28201721</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>jra</author>
	<datestamp>1244025180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed.  I had a client who had a 200GB IDE drive get scribbled on, probably by a dying cable.  It whacked the partition table, the FAT and the root directory of the lower partition, and for some reason, there wasn't a backup FAT.</p><p>GDB found both partitions, rebuilt the table, FAT, and the lower root, and let me copy everything off.</p><p>It's slow (I think each 100GB partition scan took about 11 hours), but aside from making me rename the directories in the root -- another great argument for not putting stuff in the root -- it worked fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
I had a client who had a 200GB IDE drive get scribbled on , probably by a dying cable .
It whacked the partition table , the FAT and the root directory of the lower partition , and for some reason , there was n't a backup FAT.GDB found both partitions , rebuilt the table , FAT , and the lower root , and let me copy everything off.It 's slow ( I think each 100GB partition scan took about 11 hours ) , but aside from making me rename the directories in the root -- another great argument for not putting stuff in the root -- it worked fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
I had a client who had a 200GB IDE drive get scribbled on, probably by a dying cable.
It whacked the partition table, the FAT and the root directory of the lower partition, and for some reason, there wasn't a backup FAT.GDB found both partitions, rebuilt the table, FAT, and the lower root, and let me copy everything off.It's slow (I think each 100GB partition scan took about 11 hours), but aside from making me rename the directories in the root -- another great argument for not putting stuff in the root -- it worked fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28187303</id>
	<title>R-STUDIO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243935060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I tried about 20 different data recovery solutions when I was recovering from a nasty crash. To everyone using GetDataBack &amp; co.: take a look at R-Studio. It supports everything all other popular solutions support (finding and restoring partitions, recognition of directory entries and files by signature, all major filesystems) plus support for virtual disks and RAIDs. Unlike many recovery solutions, you don't need to do a full scan to undelete just one file - you can just browse to the directory and undelete it, which really helps when you accidentally pressed the wrong key. The standard edition is at $80, just as much as GetDataBack.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried about 20 different data recovery solutions when I was recovering from a nasty crash .
To everyone using GetDataBack &amp; co. : take a look at R-Studio .
It supports everything all other popular solutions support ( finding and restoring partitions , recognition of directory entries and files by signature , all major filesystems ) plus support for virtual disks and RAIDs .
Unlike many recovery solutions , you do n't need to do a full scan to undelete just one file - you can just browse to the directory and undelete it , which really helps when you accidentally pressed the wrong key .
The standard edition is at $ 80 , just as much as GetDataBack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried about 20 different data recovery solutions when I was recovering from a nasty crash.
To everyone using GetDataBack &amp; co.: take a look at R-Studio.
It supports everything all other popular solutions support (finding and restoring partitions, recognition of directory entries and files by signature, all major filesystems) plus support for virtual disks and RAIDs.
Unlike many recovery solutions, you don't need to do a full scan to undelete just one file - you can just browse to the directory and undelete it, which really helps when you accidentally pressed the wrong key.
The standard edition is at $80, just as much as GetDataBack.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28192033</id>
	<title>Couple of tools I like</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243965960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to throw my support behind 2 tools already mentioned.</p><p>SpinRite is a great tool, and on the occasions where that fails I've had good fortune with a Knoppix Live CD.</p><p>Knoppix is seemingly better than windows at looking as damaged NTFS partitions, and I have managed to recover corrupt partitions using it where windows wouldn't even find the file system.</p><p>If your interested in a good desktop backup tool, a tool I haven't seen mentioned yet is ShadowProtect <a href="http://www.storagecraft.com.au/" title="storagecraft.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.storagecraft.com.au/</a> [storagecraft.com.au]</p><p>I've been using it for a few months now, and it has a minimal impact on desktop performance, and allows incrementals up to every 15 mins.<br>I've only needed it once, and on that occasion I had my machine back up and working within 30 mins, and as far as I could tell lost nothing.<br>Pretty good result from a complete HDD failure I thought - I was impressed.</p><p>I purchased from Blue Technology in Sydney. They pointed me in the right direction when I needed to do the actual restore, so while I'm at it, a shameless plug for them too<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br><a href="http://www.bluetechnology.com.au/" title="bluetechnology.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.bluetechnology.com.au/</a> [bluetechnology.com.au]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to throw my support behind 2 tools already mentioned.SpinRite is a great tool , and on the occasions where that fails I 've had good fortune with a Knoppix Live CD.Knoppix is seemingly better than windows at looking as damaged NTFS partitions , and I have managed to recover corrupt partitions using it where windows would n't even find the file system.If your interested in a good desktop backup tool , a tool I have n't seen mentioned yet is ShadowProtect http : //www.storagecraft.com.au/ [ storagecraft.com.au ] I 've been using it for a few months now , and it has a minimal impact on desktop performance , and allows incrementals up to every 15 mins.I 've only needed it once , and on that occasion I had my machine back up and working within 30 mins , and as far as I could tell lost nothing.Pretty good result from a complete HDD failure I thought - I was impressed.I purchased from Blue Technology in Sydney .
They pointed me in the right direction when I needed to do the actual restore , so while I 'm at it , a shameless plug for them too : ) http : //www.bluetechnology.com.au/ [ bluetechnology.com.au ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to throw my support behind 2 tools already mentioned.SpinRite is a great tool, and on the occasions where that fails I've had good fortune with a Knoppix Live CD.Knoppix is seemingly better than windows at looking as damaged NTFS partitions, and I have managed to recover corrupt partitions using it where windows wouldn't even find the file system.If your interested in a good desktop backup tool, a tool I haven't seen mentioned yet is ShadowProtect http://www.storagecraft.com.au/ [storagecraft.com.au]I've been using it for a few months now, and it has a minimal impact on desktop performance, and allows incrementals up to every 15 mins.I've only needed it once, and on that occasion I had my machine back up and working within 30 mins, and as far as I could tell lost nothing.Pretty good result from a complete HDD failure I thought - I was impressed.I purchased from Blue Technology in Sydney.
They pointed me in the right direction when I needed to do the actual restore, so while I'm at it, a shameless plug for them too :)http://www.bluetechnology.com.au/ [bluetechnology.com.au]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185675</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>HeyBob!</author>
	<datestamp>1243971180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GetDataBack (http://www.runtime.org/) saved my butt when 1 drive (out of 4 on a raid 5 array) failed and while a rebuild was occurring the power supply died! The array was toast but I was able to recover everything to another drive (good thing the MB had 6 sata connections!) - It took a few days to get the 800GB back, but I've never been so happy!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GetDataBack ( http : //www.runtime.org/ ) saved my butt when 1 drive ( out of 4 on a raid 5 array ) failed and while a rebuild was occurring the power supply died !
The array was toast but I was able to recover everything to another drive ( good thing the MB had 6 sata connections !
) - It took a few days to get the 800GB back , but I 've never been so happy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GetDataBack (http://www.runtime.org/) saved my butt when 1 drive (out of 4 on a raid 5 array) failed and while a rebuild was occurring the power supply died!
The array was toast but I was able to recover everything to another drive (good thing the MB had 6 sata connections!
) - It took a few days to get the 800GB back, but I've never been so happy!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28186229</id>
	<title>Easus Data Recovery tools...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243973640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Easus tools have helped me several times and they offer many good data recovery and management tools.</p><p>Some are free, some are not...</p><p>Either way... Easus works, if the drive functions at all...</p><p>PeacE!</p><p>SlavoX</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easus tools have helped me several times and they offer many good data recovery and management tools.Some are free , some are not...Either way... Easus works , if the drive functions at all...PeacE ! SlavoX</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easus tools have helped me several times and they offer many good data recovery and management tools.Some are free, some are not...Either way... Easus works, if the drive functions at all...PeacE!SlavoX</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182905</id>
	<title>MyHardDriveDied.com</title>
	<author>3t3rn4l</author>
	<datestamp>1243959660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've found excellent information on data recovery methodology, software, and physical tools via the free Youtube presentations by Scott A. Moulton at: <p> <a href="http://www.myharddrivedied.com/" title="myharddrivedied.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.myharddrivedied.com/</a> [myharddrivedied.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've found excellent information on data recovery methodology , software , and physical tools via the free Youtube presentations by Scott A. Moulton at : http : //www.myharddrivedied.com/ [ myharddrivedied.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've found excellent information on data recovery methodology, software, and physical tools via the free Youtube presentations by Scott A. Moulton at:  http://www.myharddrivedied.com/ [myharddrivedied.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28187339</id>
	<title>Re:One time I used Me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243935240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pah.</p><p>Worst resort I've had to go to at one time (can't specify) was searching for all sectors starting with 0xFF 0xD8 0xFF 0xC0 and then trying to reconstruct what sectors came after it to get a few images off a system. No directory names or indices left at all. Filesystem was irrelevant - wasn't enough of it left to consider using it. No filenames relevant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pah.Worst resort I 've had to go to at one time ( ca n't specify ) was searching for all sectors starting with 0xFF 0xD8 0xFF 0xC0 and then trying to reconstruct what sectors came after it to get a few images off a system .
No directory names or indices left at all .
Filesystem was irrelevant - was n't enough of it left to consider using it .
No filenames relevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pah.Worst resort I've had to go to at one time (can't specify) was searching for all sectors starting with 0xFF 0xD8 0xFF 0xC0 and then trying to reconstruct what sectors came after it to get a few images off a system.
No directory names or indices left at all.
Filesystem was irrelevant - wasn't enough of it left to consider using it.
No filenames relevant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182253</id>
	<title>TestDisk</title>
	<author>sirsky</author>
	<datestamp>1243957560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one has mentioned TestDisk yet??</p><p><a href="http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk" title="cgsecurity.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk</a> [cgsecurity.org]</p><p>I've used this plenty of times, restoring 'blank' hard drives (especially USB drives who's partition tables were corrupted) and file recovery works great with NTFS, as well as most other filesystem types...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one has mentioned TestDisk yet ?
? http : //www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk [ cgsecurity.org ] I 've used this plenty of times , restoring 'blank ' hard drives ( especially USB drives who 's partition tables were corrupted ) and file recovery works great with NTFS , as well as most other filesystem types.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one has mentioned TestDisk yet?
?http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk [cgsecurity.org]I've used this plenty of times, restoring 'blank' hard drives (especially USB drives who's partition tables were corrupted) and file recovery works great with NTFS, as well as most other filesystem types...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184903</id>
	<title>FindPart for non-physical issues on NTFS</title>
	<author>jhliptak</author>
	<datestamp>1243967880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've used the free FindNTFS utility twice to pull almost everything off of two bad drives (both corrupted boot disks for Windows XP).  A got a lot of points with my father-in-law for that!

You can get it for free at <a href="http://www.partitionsupport.com/utilities.htm" title="partitionsupport.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.partitionsupport.com/utilities.htm</a> [partitionsupport.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used the free FindNTFS utility twice to pull almost everything off of two bad drives ( both corrupted boot disks for Windows XP ) .
A got a lot of points with my father-in-law for that !
You can get it for free at http : //www.partitionsupport.com/utilities.htm [ partitionsupport.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used the free FindNTFS utility twice to pull almost everything off of two bad drives (both corrupted boot disks for Windows XP).
A got a lot of points with my father-in-law for that!
You can get it for free at http://www.partitionsupport.com/utilities.htm [partitionsupport.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185699</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1243971300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had a fairly godo success rate of recovering files from flash media (SD, CF, etc.) in the event of user error. It's happened a couple times where they mistakenly format the card or delete files accidentally. photorec (part of the 'testdisk' package) works wonders; I've only -not- recovered one image file using it (and that was because it was partially overwritten, so I got 2/3 the file).</p><p>Pretty much anything beyond that, though, is a straight suggestion to have it shipped off to a proper data recovery firm without any further tampering. If you've got to muck with the hardware, chances are you need a cleanroom environment. Not much doin' there for even your uber geek variety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had a fairly godo success rate of recovering files from flash media ( SD , CF , etc .
) in the event of user error .
It 's happened a couple times where they mistakenly format the card or delete files accidentally .
photorec ( part of the 'testdisk ' package ) works wonders ; I 've only -not- recovered one image file using it ( and that was because it was partially overwritten , so I got 2/3 the file ) .Pretty much anything beyond that , though , is a straight suggestion to have it shipped off to a proper data recovery firm without any further tampering .
If you 've got to muck with the hardware , chances are you need a cleanroom environment .
Not much doin ' there for even your uber geek variety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had a fairly godo success rate of recovering files from flash media (SD, CF, etc.
) in the event of user error.
It's happened a couple times where they mistakenly format the card or delete files accidentally.
photorec (part of the 'testdisk' package) works wonders; I've only -not- recovered one image file using it (and that was because it was partially overwritten, so I got 2/3 the file).Pretty much anything beyond that, though, is a straight suggestion to have it shipped off to a proper data recovery firm without any further tampering.
If you've got to muck with the hardware, chances are you need a cleanroom environment.
Not much doin' there for even your uber geek variety.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182129</id>
	<title>Spinrite works miracles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243957140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.grc.com/spinrite.htm" title="grc.com" rel="nofollow">Spinrite</a> [grc.com] has worked miracles in the past for me.  It's brought back unbootable corrupted windows partitions back to life for me. Supposedly it also fixes physical defects in hard drives as well.  It boots off of a image from disc.  It costs $89.00 but it's saved my butt in the past.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Spinrite [ grc.com ] has worked miracles in the past for me .
It 's brought back unbootable corrupted windows partitions back to life for me .
Supposedly it also fixes physical defects in hard drives as well .
It boots off of a image from disc .
It costs $ 89.00 but it 's saved my butt in the past .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spinrite [grc.com] has worked miracles in the past for me.
It's brought back unbootable corrupted windows partitions back to life for me.
Supposedly it also fixes physical defects in hard drives as well.
It boots off of a image from disc.
It costs $89.00 but it's saved my butt in the past.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182091</id>
	<title>Re:GetDataBack</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agree, getdataback its excellent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agree , getdataback its excellent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agree, getdataback its excellent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184211</id>
	<title>Re:R-Studio</title>
	<author>Adlopa</author>
	<datestamp>1243965000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>+1 to R-Studio here, too. The NTFS edition has saved my bacon a few times, though the company's refusal to resupply the reg key for my purchased copy (after I lost the email with the original) sent me elsewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 to R-Studio here , too .
The NTFS edition has saved my bacon a few times , though the company 's refusal to resupply the reg key for my purchased copy ( after I lost the email with the original ) sent me elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 to R-Studio here, too.
The NTFS edition has saved my bacon a few times, though the company's refusal to resupply the reg key for my purchased copy (after I lost the email with the original) sent me elsewhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184339</id>
	<title>Re:Spinrite works miracles</title>
	<author>lcoughey</author>
	<datestamp>1243965600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I strongly discourage SpinRite.  I recently discussed this with an IT professional who didn't believe me.  However, after running SpinRite on a drive that did detect before being run, the program did not complete and the drive no longer detected.<br>
<br>
When the drive was brought in for assessment, it was determined that the heads crashed and that the data was no longer recoverable.  If we would have received the drive prior to SpinRite being run, we would have changed the heads and recovered the data.  Instead, the end user lost everything.<br>
<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...it only cost the tech $89 to destroy the client's drive.  Nice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I strongly discourage SpinRite .
I recently discussed this with an IT professional who did n't believe me .
However , after running SpinRite on a drive that did detect before being run , the program did not complete and the drive no longer detected .
When the drive was brought in for assessment , it was determined that the heads crashed and that the data was no longer recoverable .
If we would have received the drive prior to SpinRite being run , we would have changed the heads and recovered the data .
Instead , the end user lost everything .
...it only cost the tech $ 89 to destroy the client 's drive .
Nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I strongly discourage SpinRite.
I recently discussed this with an IT professional who didn't believe me.
However, after running SpinRite on a drive that did detect before being run, the program did not complete and the drive no longer detected.
When the drive was brought in for assessment, it was determined that the heads crashed and that the data was no longer recoverable.
If we would have received the drive prior to SpinRite being run, we would have changed the heads and recovered the data.
Instead, the end user lost everything.
...it only cost the tech $89 to destroy the client's drive.
Nice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182561</id>
	<title>Cannot beat RAID</title>
	<author>beodd</author>
	<datestamp>1243958580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When worst comes to worst there is nothing better than having a RAID.  I personally run a RAID5 at home but drives are cheap enough that is should be easy to set up a mirror on any workstation.  Most motherboards these days support mirroring strait from the bios but even if it does not windows will do it in the OS as well.  It is also my understanding that Linux supports all raid levels in software.<br>Now days it is also common place to see laptops with room for multiple drives.  There is no reason at all to not have some sort of raid these days, especially if there is critical data on the drive.<br>As for OS corruption a raid will not prevent this but there are built in services for configuration "restore" points as well as drive snapshots that will be able to restore a system to a functional state from a "Safe Boot".  There really is no reason to use any special software to "Recover" a system if it is configured in a manner that is redundant and secure.</p><p>Joshua</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When worst comes to worst there is nothing better than having a RAID .
I personally run a RAID5 at home but drives are cheap enough that is should be easy to set up a mirror on any workstation .
Most motherboards these days support mirroring strait from the bios but even if it does not windows will do it in the OS as well .
It is also my understanding that Linux supports all raid levels in software.Now days it is also common place to see laptops with room for multiple drives .
There is no reason at all to not have some sort of raid these days , especially if there is critical data on the drive.As for OS corruption a raid will not prevent this but there are built in services for configuration " restore " points as well as drive snapshots that will be able to restore a system to a functional state from a " Safe Boot " .
There really is no reason to use any special software to " Recover " a system if it is configured in a manner that is redundant and secure.Joshua</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When worst comes to worst there is nothing better than having a RAID.
I personally run a RAID5 at home but drives are cheap enough that is should be easy to set up a mirror on any workstation.
Most motherboards these days support mirroring strait from the bios but even if it does not windows will do it in the OS as well.
It is also my understanding that Linux supports all raid levels in software.Now days it is also common place to see laptops with room for multiple drives.
There is no reason at all to not have some sort of raid these days, especially if there is critical data on the drive.As for OS corruption a raid will not prevent this but there are built in services for configuration "restore" points as well as drive snapshots that will be able to restore a system to a functional state from a "Safe Boot".
There really is no reason to use any special software to "Recover" a system if it is configured in a manner that is redundant and secure.Joshua</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183207</id>
	<title>Re:Spinrite works miracles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243960740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SpinRite definitely works wonders. I've had recover data for myself, friends and family many times over. Well worth the money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SpinRite definitely works wonders .
I 've had recover data for myself , friends and family many times over .
Well worth the money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SpinRite definitely works wonders.
I've had recover data for myself, friends and family many times over.
Well worth the money.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182129</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182217</id>
	<title>Confused by the question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243957380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>s/the pros/you guys/</p><p>There are no recovery pros in local IT groups.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>s/the pros/you guys/There are no recovery pros in local IT groups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>s/the pros/you guys/There are no recovery pros in local IT groups.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28186487</id>
	<title>how can i fix a drive that won't power on?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243974780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is there a way? please tell me there is.. please?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is there a way ?
please tell me there is.. please ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is there a way?
please tell me there is.. please?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183139</id>
	<title>Not true...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243960560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've "accidentally" deleted many files that only had one copy over the years.  If you are talking about recovering only a few specific accidentally delelted files, then the best tool is <a href="http://download.cnet.com/Restoration/3000-2094\_4-10322950.html" title="cnet.com" rel="nofollow">Restoration</a> [cnet.com].  It's free too.  Enjoy.  (As for "disaster recovery," unless you are making regular backups or willing to spend lotsa $$ for a professional clean room recovery, FORGET IT.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've " accidentally " deleted many files that only had one copy over the years .
If you are talking about recovering only a few specific accidentally delelted files , then the best tool is Restoration [ cnet.com ] .
It 's free too .
Enjoy. ( As for " disaster recovery , " unless you are making regular backups or willing to spend lotsa $ $ for a professional clean room recovery , FORGET IT .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've "accidentally" deleted many files that only had one copy over the years.
If you are talking about recovering only a few specific accidentally delelted files, then the best tool is Restoration [cnet.com].
It's free too.
Enjoy.  (As for "disaster recovery," unless you are making regular backups or willing to spend lotsa $$ for a professional clean room recovery, FORGET IT.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28186075</id>
	<title>One Other Thing That Often Works (Don't Laugh)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243972800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Freeze The Drive. Yes, as in put the drive into a zip-top bag with a silicon desiccant thingy and after an hour or so (to dry out the inside of the zip top baggy) gently place the whole thing in the freezer compartment of your fridge. Leave it there overnight. In the morning, open the end of the baggy enough to run in the drive's cables, and place the baggy between two blocks of "Blue Ice" sealed cooler ice packs. Its absolutely AMAZING how often this will allow you to read the entire disk again (at least one time).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Freeze The Drive .
Yes , as in put the drive into a zip-top bag with a silicon desiccant thingy and after an hour or so ( to dry out the inside of the zip top baggy ) gently place the whole thing in the freezer compartment of your fridge .
Leave it there overnight .
In the morning , open the end of the baggy enough to run in the drive 's cables , and place the baggy between two blocks of " Blue Ice " sealed cooler ice packs .
Its absolutely AMAZING how often this will allow you to read the entire disk again ( at least one time ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Freeze The Drive.
Yes, as in put the drive into a zip-top bag with a silicon desiccant thingy and after an hour or so (to dry out the inside of the zip top baggy) gently place the whole thing in the freezer compartment of your fridge.
Leave it there overnight.
In the morning, open the end of the baggy enough to run in the drive's cables, and place the baggy between two blocks of "Blue Ice" sealed cooler ice packs.
Its absolutely AMAZING how often this will allow you to read the entire disk again (at least one time).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28188043</id>
	<title>Re:Pros before Hos...</title>
	<author>Bobb Sledd</author>
	<datestamp>1243937880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And make sure when they get cancer, you stop by every day to ridicule them for smoking.  Great bed-side manner, there.</p><p>You're exactly the kind of IT manager I'm glad I don't have to work with -- you look for excuses why it isn't your fault and then provide no real help to anyone.  You might have the preventative stuff covered, but when the shit hits the fan, you couldn't care less about others' problems.</p><p>So after they call you a prick behind your back, they'll bring it to me and I'll recover their stupid files; because for some of us, IT is a calling, not a job -- regardless of our job titles.</p><p>You, sir, are an asshole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And make sure when they get cancer , you stop by every day to ridicule them for smoking .
Great bed-side manner , there.You 're exactly the kind of IT manager I 'm glad I do n't have to work with -- you look for excuses why it is n't your fault and then provide no real help to anyone .
You might have the preventative stuff covered , but when the shit hits the fan , you could n't care less about others ' problems.So after they call you a prick behind your back , they 'll bring it to me and I 'll recover their stupid files ; because for some of us , IT is a calling , not a job -- regardless of our job titles.You , sir , are an asshole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And make sure when they get cancer, you stop by every day to ridicule them for smoking.
Great bed-side manner, there.You're exactly the kind of IT manager I'm glad I don't have to work with -- you look for excuses why it isn't your fault and then provide no real help to anyone.
You might have the preventative stuff covered, but when the shit hits the fan, you couldn't care less about others' problems.So after they call you a prick behind your back, they'll bring it to me and I'll recover their stupid files; because for some of us, IT is a calling, not a job -- regardless of our job titles.You, sir, are an asshole.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185015</id>
	<title>Re:dd</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243968300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, you first try to copy a the most recent or important files, and then try to copy the whole disk. Running dd on a problematic drive could kill it before you get the the important files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you first try to copy a the most recent or important files , and then try to copy the whole disk .
Running dd on a problematic drive could kill it before you get the the important files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you first try to copy a the most recent or important files, and then try to copy the whole disk.
Running dd on a problematic drive could kill it before you get the the important files.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182015</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28194177</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244035980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll second that - GetDataBack is an excellent tool in the Windows environment.  If you have access to Linux, Sleuthkit is excellent and my staple as a forensic tool.  Enjoy!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll second that - GetDataBack is an excellent tool in the Windows environment .
If you have access to Linux , Sleuthkit is excellent and my staple as a forensic tool .
Enjoy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll second that - GetDataBack is an excellent tool in the Windows environment.
If you have access to Linux, Sleuthkit is excellent and my staple as a forensic tool.
Enjoy!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181769</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184709</id>
	<title>Re:R-Studio</title>
	<author>bryxal</author>
	<datestamp>1243967040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I for one second the R-Studio. I used it and it worked well many times for me especially when dealing with broken RAID arrays.

BUT I recently had to use UFS Explorer <a href="http://www.ufsexplorer.com/" title="ufsexplorer.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ufsexplorer.com/</a> [ufsexplorer.com] because of a XFS partition and it was easier to use than R-Studio and supported more file systems, also their website has a whole bunch of tips as to how to identify what ordering the RAID drives are in for RAID 5 arrays and such.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one second the R-Studio .
I used it and it worked well many times for me especially when dealing with broken RAID arrays .
BUT I recently had to use UFS Explorer http : //www.ufsexplorer.com/ [ ufsexplorer.com ] because of a XFS partition and it was easier to use than R-Studio and supported more file systems , also their website has a whole bunch of tips as to how to identify what ordering the RAID drives are in for RAID 5 arrays and such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one second the R-Studio.
I used it and it worked well many times for me especially when dealing with broken RAID arrays.
BUT I recently had to use UFS Explorer http://www.ufsexplorer.com/ [ufsexplorer.com] because of a XFS partition and it was easier to use than R-Studio and supported more file systems, also their website has a whole bunch of tips as to how to identify what ordering the RAID drives are in for RAID 5 arrays and such.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181927</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181947</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whenever this question comes up on any online forum I post on, the answer is always the same: GetDataBack for NTFS</p><p>Just make sure, you back up the data to a different drive than the one you're trying to recover.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whenever this question comes up on any online forum I post on , the answer is always the same : GetDataBack for NTFSJust make sure , you back up the data to a different drive than the one you 're trying to recover .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whenever this question comes up on any online forum I post on, the answer is always the same: GetDataBack for NTFSJust make sure, you back up the data to a different drive than the one you're trying to recover.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181769</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28189603</id>
	<title>Re:Repair a clone of a clone</title>
	<author>Barny</author>
	<datestamp>1243945620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where I work, if it ain't readable with mount -oro we don't touch it, the amount customers are willing to pay vs the time it spends on a tech bench recovering is not worth it.</p><p>When told labor costs, most customers seem to think $2 an hour is reasonable to fix computers... I wish I was making that up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where I work , if it ai n't readable with mount -oro we do n't touch it , the amount customers are willing to pay vs the time it spends on a tech bench recovering is not worth it.When told labor costs , most customers seem to think $ 2 an hour is reasonable to fix computers... I wish I was making that up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where I work, if it ain't readable with mount -oro we don't touch it, the amount customers are willing to pay vs the time it spends on a tech bench recovering is not worth it.When told labor costs, most customers seem to think $2 an hour is reasonable to fix computers... I wish I was making that up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183621</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185461</id>
	<title>Re:Crashed drive with a virtualbox image</title>
	<author>SomeGuyFromCA</author>
	<datestamp>1243970220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You opened it. You're screwed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You opened it .
You 're screwed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You opened it.
You're screwed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183387</id>
	<title>Crashed drive with a virtualbox image</title>
	<author>ThomasDePaine</author>
	<datestamp>1243961400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Last week I crashed drive with a virtualbox image on it.  The nature of the crash was a ground loop spike while programming a microcontroller board.  This spike blew a big capacitor on the board, fried tracks, wiped out 1 of 2 usb controllers on my laptop and zapped my second hard drive.

By murphy's law I had just cleared off the one hard drive that was the recent backup for this vdi file and now I'm left with a two year old backup (after looking through about 50 dvds and 6 old hard drives).

I bought an equivalent hard drive on Ebay and swapped out the electronics to no effect.  Seeing that people swapped out the heads I tried it but all I get is major clicking.  Opening up the drive I see a faint mark where the head was trying to traverse the top of top platter (there are two platters).  I'm pretty sure that the spindle motor isn't fried.

How screwed am I?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Last week I crashed drive with a virtualbox image on it .
The nature of the crash was a ground loop spike while programming a microcontroller board .
This spike blew a big capacitor on the board , fried tracks , wiped out 1 of 2 usb controllers on my laptop and zapped my second hard drive .
By murphy 's law I had just cleared off the one hard drive that was the recent backup for this vdi file and now I 'm left with a two year old backup ( after looking through about 50 dvds and 6 old hard drives ) .
I bought an equivalent hard drive on Ebay and swapped out the electronics to no effect .
Seeing that people swapped out the heads I tried it but all I get is major clicking .
Opening up the drive I see a faint mark where the head was trying to traverse the top of top platter ( there are two platters ) .
I 'm pretty sure that the spindle motor is n't fried .
How screwed am I ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last week I crashed drive with a virtualbox image on it.
The nature of the crash was a ground loop spike while programming a microcontroller board.
This spike blew a big capacitor on the board, fried tracks, wiped out 1 of 2 usb controllers on my laptop and zapped my second hard drive.
By murphy's law I had just cleared off the one hard drive that was the recent backup for this vdi file and now I'm left with a two year old backup (after looking through about 50 dvds and 6 old hard drives).
I bought an equivalent hard drive on Ebay and swapped out the electronics to no effect.
Seeing that people swapped out the heads I tried it but all I get is major clicking.
Opening up the drive I see a faint mark where the head was trying to traverse the top of top platter (there are two platters).
I'm pretty sure that the spindle motor isn't fried.
How screwed am I?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28190981</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>Denjiro</author>
	<datestamp>1243955820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, just three weeks back I had the MBR go bad on my primary HD. Once I had windows running on an alternate hard drive Get Data Back was able to recover everything on the old HD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , just three weeks back I had the MBR go bad on my primary HD .
Once I had windows running on an alternate hard drive Get Data Back was able to recover everything on the old HD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, just three weeks back I had the MBR go bad on my primary HD.
Once I had windows running on an alternate hard drive Get Data Back was able to recover everything on the old HD.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181769</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183797</id>
	<title>Tandem DXR</title>
	<author>ceo4techass</author>
	<datestamp>1243963200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used LINUX tools and such with KNOPPIX, had mixed success.  We like R-Studio too.  But a good backup is indeed the best.  We now recommend software-less backup solutions like the <a href="http://www.high-rely.com/" title="high-rely.com" rel="nofollow">Tandem DXR or FirstRAID G2</a> [high-rely.com] products from Highly Reliable.  It makes the whole offsite backup problem as simple as the old Video Surveillance tape systems.  Making it easy for the customer ultimately produces the most reliable and frequent backup copies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used LINUX tools and such with KNOPPIX , had mixed success .
We like R-Studio too .
But a good backup is indeed the best .
We now recommend software-less backup solutions like the Tandem DXR or FirstRAID G2 [ high-rely.com ] products from Highly Reliable .
It makes the whole offsite backup problem as simple as the old Video Surveillance tape systems .
Making it easy for the customer ultimately produces the most reliable and frequent backup copies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used LINUX tools and such with KNOPPIX, had mixed success.
We like R-Studio too.
But a good backup is indeed the best.
We now recommend software-less backup solutions like the Tandem DXR or FirstRAID G2 [high-rely.com] products from Highly Reliable.
It makes the whole offsite backup problem as simple as the old Video Surveillance tape systems.
Making it easy for the customer ultimately produces the most reliable and frequent backup copies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182451</id>
	<title>dd, testdisk, foremost</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1243958220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The chain of tools I used barely a month ago goes like this.</p><p>1. dd to get whatever can be had off the hardware and into a disk image.<br>2. testdisk recovers partition information to make the images mount-able.<br>3. foremost to recover files.  Pay attention to the conf file.  There are *lots* of options that will discover all kinds of files in various condition.</p><p>As someone who just went through this with my laptop, the last two things to remember:<br>-You will need tons of disk space to work with the disk images and all of the files foremost recovers.<br>-check your backup files very, very often.  Bacula worked beautifully, but somehow the tar archives it created were corrupt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The chain of tools I used barely a month ago goes like this.1 .
dd to get whatever can be had off the hardware and into a disk image.2 .
testdisk recovers partition information to make the images mount-able.3 .
foremost to recover files .
Pay attention to the conf file .
There are * lots * of options that will discover all kinds of files in various condition.As someone who just went through this with my laptop , the last two things to remember : -You will need tons of disk space to work with the disk images and all of the files foremost recovers.-check your backup files very , very often .
Bacula worked beautifully , but somehow the tar archives it created were corrupt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The chain of tools I used barely a month ago goes like this.1.
dd to get whatever can be had off the hardware and into a disk image.2.
testdisk recovers partition information to make the images mount-able.3.
foremost to recover files.
Pay attention to the conf file.
There are *lots* of options that will discover all kinds of files in various condition.As someone who just went through this with my laptop, the last two things to remember:-You will need tons of disk space to work with the disk images and all of the files foremost recovers.-check your backup files very, very often.
Bacula worked beautifully, but somehow the tar archives it created were corrupt.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185915</id>
	<title>List of data recovery tools</title>
	<author>Aryeh Goretsky</author>
	<datestamp>1243972200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hello,<br>
<br>
Here is a list of data recovery programs I have put together.  Some of them may be a little old, for floppies or optical media only, but should still be useful.  Unless otherwise noted, they are all for Microsoft Windows.<br>
<br>

<a href="http://www.hdd-tools.com/" title="hdd-tools.com">A-FF Labs</a> [hdd-tools.com] - <a href="http://ntfsundelete.com/" title="ntfsundelete.com">NTFS Undelete</a> [ntfsundelete.com] and <a href="http://findandmount.com/" title="findandmount.com">Partition Find and Mount</a> [findandmount.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.accessdata.com/" title="accessdata.com">Access Data</a> [accessdata.com] - <a href="http://www.accessdata.com/downloads.html#Utilities" title="accessdata.com">FTK Imager</a> [accessdata.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.acronis.com/" title="acronis.com">Acronis</a> [acronis.com] - <a href="http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/recoveryexpert/" title="acronis.com">RecoveryExpert</a> [acronis.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.ntfsrecovery.com/" title="ntfsrecovery.com">Advanced NTFS Recovery</a> [ntfsrecovery.com] - <a href="http://www.ntfsrecovery.com/ntfs-recovery.php" title="ntfsrecovery.com">NTFS Recovery</a> [ntfsrecovery.com] <i>(may handle FAT32 as well)</i> <br>
<a href="http://www.bitmart.net/" title="bitmart.net">bitMART</a> [bitmart.net] - <a href="http://www.restorer-ultimate.com/" title="restorer-ultimate.com">Restorer Ultimate</a> [restorer-ultimate.com] <br>
<a href="http://dmitrybrant.com/" title="dmitrybrant.com">Brant, Dmitry</a> [dmitrybrant.com] - <a href="http://dmitrybrant.com/diskdigger" title="dmitrybrant.com">DiskDigger</a> [dmitrybrant.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.briggsoft.com/" title="briggsoft.com">BriggSoft</a> [briggsoft.com] - <a href="http://www.briggsoft.com/dsnoop.htm" title="briggsoft.com">Directory Snoop</a> [briggsoft.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.cgsecurity.org/" title="cgsecurity.org">CGSecurity</a> [cgsecurity.org] - <a href="http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk" title="cgsecurity.org">TeskDisk</a> [cgsecurity.org] and <a href="http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec" title="cgsecurity.org">PhotoRec</a> [cgsecurity.org] <br>
<a href="http://www.convar.com/default.asp" title="convar.com">Convar</a> [convar.com] - <a href="http://www.pcinspector.de/file\_recovery/welcome.htm" title="pcinspector.de">PC Inspector File Recovery</a> [pcinspector.de] <br>
<a href="http://digital-assembly.com/" title="digital-assembly.com">Digital Assembly</a> [digital-assembly.com] - <a href="http://digital-assembly.com/products/" title="digital-assembly.com">Adroit Photo Recovery</a> [digital-assembly.com] <i>(pictures only)</i> <br>
<a href="http://www.diskinternals.com/" title="diskinternals.com">DiskInternals</a> [diskinternals.com] - <a href="http://www.diskinternals.com/ntfs-recovery/" title="diskinternals.com">NTFS Recovery</a> [diskinternals.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/" title="diydatarecovery.nl">DIY Data Recovery</a> [diydatarecovery.nl] - <a href="http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/irecover.htm" title="diydatarecovery.nl">iRecover</a> [diydatarecovery.nl] <br>
<a href="http://www.dtidata.com/index.htm" title="dtidata.com">DTI Data</a> [dtidata.com] - <a href="http://www.dtidata.com/recover\_it\_all.htm" title="dtidata.com">Recover It All</a> [dtidata.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.datarescue.com/" title="datarescue.com">DataRescue.Com</a> [datarescue.com] - <a href="http://www.datarescue.com/photorescue/" title="datarescue.com">PhotoRescue</a> [datarescue.com] <i>(intended for flash RAM cards, which are typically formatted with FAT, may work with other devices as well)</i> <br>
<a href="http://www.easeus.com/" title="easeus.com">EASEUS</a> [easeus.com] - <a href="http://www.easeus.com/solution/data-recovery-and-security-suite/" title="easeus.com">Data Recovery &amp; Security Suite</a> [easeus.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.dfsee.com/index.php" title="dfsee.com">Fsys Software</a> [dfsee.com] - <a href="http://www.dfsee.com/products.php" title="dfsee.com">DFSee</a> [dfsee.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.grc.com/" title="grc.com">Gibson Research Corp.</a> [grc.com] - <a href="http://www.spinrite.com/" title="spinrite.com">Spinrite</a> [spinrite.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.gillware.com/" title="gillware.com">Gillware</a> [gillware.com] - <a href="http://www.gillware.com/fileviewer.php" title="gillware.com">GillWare File Viewer</a> [gillware.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.highergroundsoftware.com/" title="highergroundsoftware.com">Higher Ground Software</a> [highergroundsoftware.com] - <a href="http://www.highergroundsoftware.com/products2.htm" title="highergroundsoftware.com">Hard Drive Mechanic Gold</a> [highergroundsoftware.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.aumha.org/a/recover.php" title="aumha.org">Kato, Brian</a> [aumha.org] - <a href="http://www.aumha.org/freeware/freeware.php#restore" title="aumha.org">Restoration</a> [aumha.org] <i>(also <a href="http://download.cnet.com/Restoration/3000-2094\_4-10322950.html" title="cnet.com">here</a> [cnet.com])</i> <br>
<a href="http://www.lc-tech.com/" title="lc-tech.com">LC Technology</a> [lc-tech.com] - <a href="http://www.lc-tech.com/filerecovery\_pro.htm" title="lc-tech.com"> </a> [lc-tech.com] <br>
<i>[Continued in next message, as for some reason, Slashdot would not let me post in its entirety (too many URLs?). AG]</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hello , Here is a list of data recovery programs I have put together .
Some of them may be a little old , for floppies or optical media only , but should still be useful .
Unless otherwise noted , they are all for Microsoft Windows .
A-FF Labs [ hdd-tools.com ] - NTFS Undelete [ ntfsundelete.com ] and Partition Find and Mount [ findandmount.com ] Access Data [ accessdata.com ] - FTK Imager [ accessdata.com ] Acronis [ acronis.com ] - RecoveryExpert [ acronis.com ] Advanced NTFS Recovery [ ntfsrecovery.com ] - NTFS Recovery [ ntfsrecovery.com ] ( may handle FAT32 as well ) bitMART [ bitmart.net ] - Restorer Ultimate [ restorer-ultimate.com ] Brant , Dmitry [ dmitrybrant.com ] - DiskDigger [ dmitrybrant.com ] BriggSoft [ briggsoft.com ] - Directory Snoop [ briggsoft.com ] CGSecurity [ cgsecurity.org ] - TeskDisk [ cgsecurity.org ] and PhotoRec [ cgsecurity.org ] Convar [ convar.com ] - PC Inspector File Recovery [ pcinspector.de ] Digital Assembly [ digital-assembly.com ] - Adroit Photo Recovery [ digital-assembly.com ] ( pictures only ) DiskInternals [ diskinternals.com ] - NTFS Recovery [ diskinternals.com ] DIY Data Recovery [ diydatarecovery.nl ] - iRecover [ diydatarecovery.nl ] DTI Data [ dtidata.com ] - Recover It All [ dtidata.com ] DataRescue.Com [ datarescue.com ] - PhotoRescue [ datarescue.com ] ( intended for flash RAM cards , which are typically formatted with FAT , may work with other devices as well ) EASEUS [ easeus.com ] - Data Recovery &amp; Security Suite [ easeus.com ] Fsys Software [ dfsee.com ] - DFSee [ dfsee.com ] Gibson Research Corp. [ grc.com ] - Spinrite [ spinrite.com ] Gillware [ gillware.com ] - GillWare File Viewer [ gillware.com ] Higher Ground Software [ highergroundsoftware.com ] - Hard Drive Mechanic Gold [ highergroundsoftware.com ] Kato , Brian [ aumha.org ] - Restoration [ aumha.org ] ( also here [ cnet.com ] ) LC Technology [ lc-tech.com ] - [ lc-tech.com ] [ Continued in next message , as for some reason , Slashdot would not let me post in its entirety ( too many URLs ? ) .
AG ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hello,

Here is a list of data recovery programs I have put together.
Some of them may be a little old, for floppies or optical media only, but should still be useful.
Unless otherwise noted, they are all for Microsoft Windows.
A-FF Labs [hdd-tools.com] - NTFS Undelete [ntfsundelete.com] and Partition Find and Mount [findandmount.com] 
Access Data [accessdata.com] - FTK Imager [accessdata.com] 
Acronis [acronis.com] - RecoveryExpert [acronis.com] 
Advanced NTFS Recovery [ntfsrecovery.com] - NTFS Recovery [ntfsrecovery.com] (may handle FAT32 as well) 
bitMART [bitmart.net] - Restorer Ultimate [restorer-ultimate.com] 
Brant, Dmitry [dmitrybrant.com] - DiskDigger [dmitrybrant.com] 
BriggSoft [briggsoft.com] - Directory Snoop [briggsoft.com] 
CGSecurity [cgsecurity.org] - TeskDisk [cgsecurity.org] and PhotoRec [cgsecurity.org] 
Convar [convar.com] - PC Inspector File Recovery [pcinspector.de] 
Digital Assembly [digital-assembly.com] - Adroit Photo Recovery [digital-assembly.com] (pictures only) 
DiskInternals [diskinternals.com] - NTFS Recovery [diskinternals.com] 
DIY Data Recovery [diydatarecovery.nl] - iRecover [diydatarecovery.nl] 
DTI Data [dtidata.com] - Recover It All [dtidata.com] 
DataRescue.Com [datarescue.com] - PhotoRescue [datarescue.com] (intended for flash RAM cards, which are typically formatted with FAT, may work with other devices as well) 
EASEUS [easeus.com] - Data Recovery &amp; Security Suite [easeus.com] 
Fsys Software [dfsee.com] - DFSee [dfsee.com] 
Gibson Research Corp. [grc.com] - Spinrite [spinrite.com] 
Gillware [gillware.com] - GillWare File Viewer [gillware.com] 
Higher Ground Software [highergroundsoftware.com] - Hard Drive Mechanic Gold [highergroundsoftware.com] 
Kato, Brian [aumha.org] - Restoration [aumha.org] (also here [cnet.com]) 
LC Technology [lc-tech.com] -   [lc-tech.com] 
[Continued in next message, as for some reason, Slashdot would not let me post in its entirety (too many URLs?).
AG]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28190857</id>
	<title>dd\_rescue: like this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243954620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Start by putting the bad drive and a blank drive as big or bigger than the bad drive in a DIFFERENT known working PC.  Sometimes a bad controller, motherboard, or power supply may be the cause.</p><p>dd\_rescue bad-drive to good-drive forward direction writing a sector of zeroes on error (I use direct reads with 4k hard sectors too)</p><p>then again backwards with skip write on error</p><p>repeat as desired with skip write on error and your copy can only get better each time</p><p>when done make a copy of the copy and play with that as many ways as you want.</p><p>the only software thing that might do better than this is a program that does raw reads on the bad sectors and uses that instead of a sector of zeroes.</p><p>After this I usually access the files from a linux mount.</p><p>if that does not do it and you know some text in an important file it is time to search the drive for strings or try different flavors of file system recovery software.</p><p>never write on the original or the first generation copy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Start by putting the bad drive and a blank drive as big or bigger than the bad drive in a DIFFERENT known working PC .
Sometimes a bad controller , motherboard , or power supply may be the cause.dd \ _rescue bad-drive to good-drive forward direction writing a sector of zeroes on error ( I use direct reads with 4k hard sectors too ) then again backwards with skip write on errorrepeat as desired with skip write on error and your copy can only get better each timewhen done make a copy of the copy and play with that as many ways as you want.the only software thing that might do better than this is a program that does raw reads on the bad sectors and uses that instead of a sector of zeroes.After this I usually access the files from a linux mount.if that does not do it and you know some text in an important file it is time to search the drive for strings or try different flavors of file system recovery software.never write on the original or the first generation copy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Start by putting the bad drive and a blank drive as big or bigger than the bad drive in a DIFFERENT known working PC.
Sometimes a bad controller, motherboard, or power supply may be the cause.dd\_rescue bad-drive to good-drive forward direction writing a sector of zeroes on error (I use direct reads with 4k hard sectors too)then again backwards with skip write on errorrepeat as desired with skip write on error and your copy can only get better each timewhen done make a copy of the copy and play with that as many ways as you want.the only software thing that might do better than this is a program that does raw reads on the bad sectors and uses that instead of a sector of zeroes.After this I usually access the files from a linux mount.if that does not do it and you know some text in an important file it is time to search the drive for strings or try different flavors of file system recovery software.never write on the original or the first generation copy.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28192163</id>
	<title>Re:Repair a clone of a clone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243967580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Debian the binary<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/bin/dd\_rescue from Kurt Garloff (Suse) is in the package ddrescue.<br>The binary<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sbin/ddrescue from Antonio Diaz Diaz (GNU) is in the package gddrescue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Debian the binary /bin/dd \ _rescue from Kurt Garloff ( Suse ) is in the package ddrescue.The binary /sbin/ddrescue from Antonio Diaz Diaz ( GNU ) is in the package gddrescue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Debian the binary /bin/dd\_rescue from Kurt Garloff (Suse) is in the package ddrescue.The binary /sbin/ddrescue from Antonio Diaz Diaz (GNU) is in the package gddrescue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183621</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184091</id>
	<title>Re:Spinrite works miracles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243964580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll chip in with a thing or two about SpinRite.</p><p>Firstly, I have used it and agree that it's very good and does what it says. It takes advantage of at least some degree of knowledge of the mechanical properties of the actual physical disk, along with extremely low-level access (such as cleverly detecting the temperature of the disk on modern BIOSes and optionally waiting for it to cool down before continuing). Steve obviously knows what he's doing, and it's too bad that all of the technical documentation is written in market-ese; there's clearly a good knowledge of science and technology behind the product, but I can't follow much of it because the explanations of the principles of operation are virtually nonsensical. Obviously his strategy, but a shame for the rest of us (and possibly counter-productive - I almost dismissed it without a giving it a chance on account of its documentation, and only tried it in the end because I've used other programs by Steve that are exactly what he says they are).</p><p>But I'll also add that it works by making modifications to the data on disk. As has been said many times here, it's a very good idea to make an image before you let this program loose. Honestly, if this program can't save it, then I don't know how much luck you'll have on the image, but it's a good habit to be in anyway. And besides, you should try working on the image first and only using SpinRite as a last resort. It's good, but if the disk is faulty then it's probably not going to be fast.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll chip in with a thing or two about SpinRite.Firstly , I have used it and agree that it 's very good and does what it says .
It takes advantage of at least some degree of knowledge of the mechanical properties of the actual physical disk , along with extremely low-level access ( such as cleverly detecting the temperature of the disk on modern BIOSes and optionally waiting for it to cool down before continuing ) .
Steve obviously knows what he 's doing , and it 's too bad that all of the technical documentation is written in market-ese ; there 's clearly a good knowledge of science and technology behind the product , but I ca n't follow much of it because the explanations of the principles of operation are virtually nonsensical .
Obviously his strategy , but a shame for the rest of us ( and possibly counter-productive - I almost dismissed it without a giving it a chance on account of its documentation , and only tried it in the end because I 've used other programs by Steve that are exactly what he says they are ) .But I 'll also add that it works by making modifications to the data on disk .
As has been said many times here , it 's a very good idea to make an image before you let this program loose .
Honestly , if this program ca n't save it , then I do n't know how much luck you 'll have on the image , but it 's a good habit to be in anyway .
And besides , you should try working on the image first and only using SpinRite as a last resort .
It 's good , but if the disk is faulty then it 's probably not going to be fast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll chip in with a thing or two about SpinRite.Firstly, I have used it and agree that it's very good and does what it says.
It takes advantage of at least some degree of knowledge of the mechanical properties of the actual physical disk, along with extremely low-level access (such as cleverly detecting the temperature of the disk on modern BIOSes and optionally waiting for it to cool down before continuing).
Steve obviously knows what he's doing, and it's too bad that all of the technical documentation is written in market-ese; there's clearly a good knowledge of science and technology behind the product, but I can't follow much of it because the explanations of the principles of operation are virtually nonsensical.
Obviously his strategy, but a shame for the rest of us (and possibly counter-productive - I almost dismissed it without a giving it a chance on account of its documentation, and only tried it in the end because I've used other programs by Steve that are exactly what he says they are).But I'll also add that it works by making modifications to the data on disk.
As has been said many times here, it's a very good idea to make an image before you let this program loose.
Honestly, if this program can't save it, then I don't know how much luck you'll have on the image, but it's a good habit to be in anyway.
And besides, you should try working on the image first and only using SpinRite as a last resort.
It's good, but if the disk is faulty then it's probably not going to be fast.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182475</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>SputnikPanic</author>
	<datestamp>1243958340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By necessity, I discovered and used this software just last night, and the data recovery process was smoother than I had anticipated.  At one point when I was copying the salvaged files to a good drive, Windows took exception with one of the files and started barking one of its usual program-terminating error messages.  I was afraid that I'd have to have GetDataBack reread the whole drive and start the whole process all over again, but the program was robust enough to avoid crashing.  It just moved on to the next file and kept on going.  It's not often that I pay for software but this was $80 well spent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By necessity , I discovered and used this software just last night , and the data recovery process was smoother than I had anticipated .
At one point when I was copying the salvaged files to a good drive , Windows took exception with one of the files and started barking one of its usual program-terminating error messages .
I was afraid that I 'd have to have GetDataBack reread the whole drive and start the whole process all over again , but the program was robust enough to avoid crashing .
It just moved on to the next file and kept on going .
It 's not often that I pay for software but this was $ 80 well spent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By necessity, I discovered and used this software just last night, and the data recovery process was smoother than I had anticipated.
At one point when I was copying the salvaged files to a good drive, Windows took exception with one of the files and started barking one of its usual program-terminating error messages.
I was afraid that I'd have to have GetDataBack reread the whole drive and start the whole process all over again, but the program was robust enough to avoid crashing.
It just moved on to the next file and kept on going.
It's not often that I pay for software but this was $80 well spent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28191547</id>
	<title>Re:dd</title>
	<author>toddestan</author>
	<datestamp>1243960980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That doesn't seem like a very good idea.  Today's drives are huge and take forever to copy - on the order of hours for dd to do its thing.  In most circumstances, with dd you'll be copying 99\% worthless crap, like the operating system, installed games, downloaded stuff that can be downloaded again, and lots of empty space - meanwhile the clock is ticking.  You'd almost certainly be better off chasing after the important data on the drive right away, which is probably less than a gig, and maybe a few gigs at most.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That does n't seem like a very good idea .
Today 's drives are huge and take forever to copy - on the order of hours for dd to do its thing .
In most circumstances , with dd you 'll be copying 99 \ % worthless crap , like the operating system , installed games , downloaded stuff that can be downloaded again , and lots of empty space - meanwhile the clock is ticking .
You 'd almost certainly be better off chasing after the important data on the drive right away , which is probably less than a gig , and maybe a few gigs at most .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That doesn't seem like a very good idea.
Today's drives are huge and take forever to copy - on the order of hours for dd to do its thing.
In most circumstances, with dd you'll be copying 99\% worthless crap, like the operating system, installed games, downloaded stuff that can be downloaded again, and lots of empty space - meanwhile the clock is ticking.
You'd almost certainly be better off chasing after the important data on the drive right away, which is probably less than a gig, and maybe a few gigs at most.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185895</id>
	<title>Re:Pros avoid having to use data recovery tools.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243972140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if you dont have money for backups then you certainly dont have money for me, because the amount of time (and therefore money) that will be required to recover worthwhile data without backups can be exponentially larger than keeping decent backups in the first place. if you work for a company that is too tightfisted to keep from getting themselves fucked, they'll certainly be too tightfisted to get themselves un-fucked. IRL you cant get un-fucked, but if you could how much do you think it would cost? That should begin to give middle management an idea of what they're fucking with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if you dont have money for backups then you certainly dont have money for me , because the amount of time ( and therefore money ) that will be required to recover worthwhile data without backups can be exponentially larger than keeping decent backups in the first place .
if you work for a company that is too tightfisted to keep from getting themselves fucked , they 'll certainly be too tightfisted to get themselves un-fucked .
IRL you cant get un-fucked , but if you could how much do you think it would cost ?
That should begin to give middle management an idea of what they 're fucking with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you dont have money for backups then you certainly dont have money for me, because the amount of time (and therefore money) that will be required to recover worthwhile data without backups can be exponentially larger than keeping decent backups in the first place.
if you work for a company that is too tightfisted to keep from getting themselves fucked, they'll certainly be too tightfisted to get themselves un-fucked.
IRL you cant get un-fucked, but if you could how much do you think it would cost?
That should begin to give middle management an idea of what they're fucking with.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182371</id>
	<title>EnCase</title>
	<author>shadowknot</author>
	<datestamp>1243957980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Although it is primarily used as a forensic analysis tool <a href="http://www.guidancesoftware.com/" title="guidancesoftware.com" rel="nofollow">Guidance Software's EnCase</a> [guidancesoftware.com] is excellent for data recovery and there is extensive support for many filesystems and operating systems.  It's darn expensive but if you are really looking to get data back on a large scale then the long-term investment may be worth it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Although it is primarily used as a forensic analysis tool Guidance Software 's EnCase [ guidancesoftware.com ] is excellent for data recovery and there is extensive support for many filesystems and operating systems .
It 's darn expensive but if you are really looking to get data back on a large scale then the long-term investment may be worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although it is primarily used as a forensic analysis tool Guidance Software's EnCase [guidancesoftware.com] is excellent for data recovery and there is extensive support for many filesystems and operating systems.
It's darn expensive but if you are really looking to get data back on a large scale then the long-term investment may be worth it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185801</id>
	<title>Re:R-Studio</title>
	<author>TheThiefMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1243971720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used "Quetek File Scavenger". It allows you to define a raid array from individual disks, including raid 5 with missing disks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used " Quetek File Scavenger " .
It allows you to define a raid array from individual disks , including raid 5 with missing disks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used "Quetek File Scavenger".
It allows you to define a raid array from individual disks, including raid 5 with missing disks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181927</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183567</id>
	<title>dd + Advanced NTFS Recovery ($100)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243962060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I salvaged a lot of files from an NTFS partition on a badly failing drive by plugging the drive into another computer, making a dd image (it took several days due to all the disk errors), and then using  Advanced NTFS Recovery on Windows to recover files from the dd image.  You can use dd under Linux and transfer the image to a Windows box or just use the Cygwin version of dd.  Advanced NTFS Recovery has a free demo, but it's fairly useless unless you register it (for $100).  The demo only shows you the files it would recover, without actually recovering them.  I was reluctant to pay that much, but it seemed to recover far more files than any of the other free or commercial demo tools I found at the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I salvaged a lot of files from an NTFS partition on a badly failing drive by plugging the drive into another computer , making a dd image ( it took several days due to all the disk errors ) , and then using Advanced NTFS Recovery on Windows to recover files from the dd image .
You can use dd under Linux and transfer the image to a Windows box or just use the Cygwin version of dd .
Advanced NTFS Recovery has a free demo , but it 's fairly useless unless you register it ( for $ 100 ) .
The demo only shows you the files it would recover , without actually recovering them .
I was reluctant to pay that much , but it seemed to recover far more files than any of the other free or commercial demo tools I found at the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I salvaged a lot of files from an NTFS partition on a badly failing drive by plugging the drive into another computer, making a dd image (it took several days due to all the disk errors), and then using  Advanced NTFS Recovery on Windows to recover files from the dd image.
You can use dd under Linux and transfer the image to a Windows box or just use the Cygwin version of dd.
Advanced NTFS Recovery has a free demo, but it's fairly useless unless you register it (for $100).
The demo only shows you the files it would recover, without actually recovering them.
I was reluctant to pay that much, but it seemed to recover far more files than any of the other free or commercial demo tools I found at the time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185575</id>
	<title>data recovery</title>
	<author>FreeBSD evangelist</author>
	<datestamp>1243970760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SpinRite has saved my ass more than once.</p><p>It's not just a checkdisk/fsck type tool, but reads and refreshes all the blocks on the disk, with ECC on and off.  It will beat on a sector hundreds of times if needed to get a trustworthy copy.</p><p>So, not for "Oops, I deleted a file" but for "I keep getting read errors on this vital file."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SpinRite has saved my ass more than once.It 's not just a checkdisk/fsck type tool , but reads and refreshes all the blocks on the disk , with ECC on and off .
It will beat on a sector hundreds of times if needed to get a trustworthy copy.So , not for " Oops , I deleted a file " but for " I keep getting read errors on this vital file .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SpinRite has saved my ass more than once.It's not just a checkdisk/fsck type tool, but reads and refreshes all the blocks on the disk, with ECC on and off.
It will beat on a sector hundreds of times if needed to get a trustworthy copy.So, not for "Oops, I deleted a file" but for "I keep getting read errors on this vital file.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28197635</id>
	<title>Re:Pros before Hos...</title>
	<author>TheSpoom</author>
	<datestamp>1244051520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, you're an asshole.</p><p>Maybe you should just do what you can for your family and then remind them that they should backup with their new drive.  You know, as opposed to reinforcing the stereotype that all computer geeks are antisocial bastards that don't care about a person's feelings at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , you 're an asshole.Maybe you should just do what you can for your family and then remind them that they should backup with their new drive .
You know , as opposed to reinforcing the stereotype that all computer geeks are antisocial bastards that do n't care about a person 's feelings at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, you're an asshole.Maybe you should just do what you can for your family and then remind them that they should backup with their new drive.
You know, as opposed to reinforcing the stereotype that all computer geeks are antisocial bastards that don't care about a person's feelings at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182821</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185599</id>
	<title>Recovery Studio?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243970940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used a program called Recovery Studio successfully a few times.  One time I formatted my wifes old laptop, gave it to my brothers for a few days to screw around with when she mentioned that she neither backed up nor copied off any of her data from the laptop.  Got everything she needed back.  I also used ZAR for flash cards.  Works great and it's free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used a program called Recovery Studio successfully a few times .
One time I formatted my wifes old laptop , gave it to my brothers for a few days to screw around with when she mentioned that she neither backed up nor copied off any of her data from the laptop .
Got everything she needed back .
I also used ZAR for flash cards .
Works great and it 's free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used a program called Recovery Studio successfully a few times.
One time I formatted my wifes old laptop, gave it to my brothers for a few days to screw around with when she mentioned that she neither backed up nor copied off any of her data from the laptop.
Got everything she needed back.
I also used ZAR for flash cards.
Works great and it's free.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28189245</id>
	<title>ntfsundelete.com</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243943640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ntfsundelete.com did work for me</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ntfsundelete.com did work for me</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ntfsundelete.com did work for me</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181977</id>
	<title>My .02</title>
	<author>NES HQ</author>
	<datestamp>1243956600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to be a smartass, but...<p>For the folks (family and friends) that seem to think I'm a free computer repair store I told them to go buy a cheap USB hard drive and just set up a quick and dirty batch file to back things up nightly (or weekly, depending on how big their files are).

</p><p>I've told them to do this or there's a good chance that I won't be able to recover their files if their PC crashes. This is an easy solution, cheap, and requires virtually no end-user interaction. That last bit is especially important since I've found that they typically ignore even the easiest backup procedures (e.g. copy C:\My Documents to D:\).

</p><p>As for the original question, I still do attempt file recovery for the stubborn ones who ignore my backup advice. I've had moderate success with various pieces of software. Just Googled "hard disk recovery software." Interestingly enough, different programs have recovered different data on the same HDDs...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to be a smartass , but...For the folks ( family and friends ) that seem to think I 'm a free computer repair store I told them to go buy a cheap USB hard drive and just set up a quick and dirty batch file to back things up nightly ( or weekly , depending on how big their files are ) .
I 've told them to do this or there 's a good chance that I wo n't be able to recover their files if their PC crashes .
This is an easy solution , cheap , and requires virtually no end-user interaction .
That last bit is especially important since I 've found that they typically ignore even the easiest backup procedures ( e.g .
copy C : \ My Documents to D : \ ) .
As for the original question , I still do attempt file recovery for the stubborn ones who ignore my backup advice .
I 've had moderate success with various pieces of software .
Just Googled " hard disk recovery software .
" Interestingly enough , different programs have recovered different data on the same HDDs.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to be a smartass, but...For the folks (family and friends) that seem to think I'm a free computer repair store I told them to go buy a cheap USB hard drive and just set up a quick and dirty batch file to back things up nightly (or weekly, depending on how big their files are).
I've told them to do this or there's a good chance that I won't be able to recover their files if their PC crashes.
This is an easy solution, cheap, and requires virtually no end-user interaction.
That last bit is especially important since I've found that they typically ignore even the easiest backup procedures (e.g.
copy C:\My Documents to D:\).
As for the original question, I still do attempt file recovery for the stubborn ones who ignore my backup advice.
I've had moderate success with various pieces of software.
Just Googled "hard disk recovery software.
" Interestingly enough, different programs have recovered different data on the same HDDs...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28233019</id>
	<title>Definitely</title>
	<author>DanielSmedegaardBuus</author>
	<datestamp>1244303940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Consistently, hands-down, GetDataBack is the best recovery app I've ever used for FAT and NTFS. It has never failed me. And now, with their RAID Reconstructor, Runtime even help me get my data back from a broken SiI 3115 RAID-5 array. Think your data is safe with RAID-5? Forget it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Consistently , hands-down , GetDataBack is the best recovery app I 've ever used for FAT and NTFS .
It has never failed me .
And now , with their RAID Reconstructor , Runtime even help me get my data back from a broken SiI 3115 RAID-5 array .
Think your data is safe with RAID-5 ?
Forget it : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consistently, hands-down, GetDataBack is the best recovery app I've ever used for FAT and NTFS.
It has never failed me.
And now, with their RAID Reconstructor, Runtime even help me get my data back from a broken SiI 3115 RAID-5 array.
Think your data is safe with RAID-5?
Forget it :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181769</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184737</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>bmoorewiz</author>
	<datestamp>1243967160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"GetDataBack" Absolutely works perfect.I have used it in many cases.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" GetDataBack " Absolutely works perfect.I have used it in many cases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"GetDataBack" Absolutely works perfect.I have used it in many cases.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181769</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28186035</id>
	<title>Re:How to get past mechanical failures</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1243972680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a good idea; I hadn't thought of submerging the drive in water, but I'll likely try it when the opportunity imposes itself.</p><p>Slight (possible) nitpick: while the freezing point of water is 32F, I seem to recall reading at one point that the temperature of melting ice is slightly higher, say 35F (the number I remember) during the physical process due to the heat necessary to catalyze the process being absorbed. Not sure about that, though - I can't find a reference to it online.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a good idea ; I had n't thought of submerging the drive in water , but I 'll likely try it when the opportunity imposes itself.Slight ( possible ) nitpick : while the freezing point of water is 32F , I seem to recall reading at one point that the temperature of melting ice is slightly higher , say 35F ( the number I remember ) during the physical process due to the heat necessary to catalyze the process being absorbed .
Not sure about that , though - I ca n't find a reference to it online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a good idea; I hadn't thought of submerging the drive in water, but I'll likely try it when the opportunity imposes itself.Slight (possible) nitpick: while the freezing point of water is 32F, I seem to recall reading at one point that the temperature of melting ice is slightly higher, say 35F (the number I remember) during the physical process due to the heat necessary to catalyze the process being absorbed.
Not sure about that, though - I can't find a reference to it online.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184335</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183747</id>
	<title>Backups</title>
	<author>Fuseboy</author>
	<datestamp>1243962960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Backups.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Backups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Backups.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28192283</id>
	<title>How about Free?</title>
	<author>ps2os2</author>
	<datestamp>1243969080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go disk to disk and carry the drive over to the next door neighbor (or someone that is a safe distance away).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go disk to disk and carry the drive over to the next door neighbor ( or someone that is a safe distance away ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go disk to disk and carry the drive over to the next door neighbor (or someone that is a safe distance away).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184733</id>
	<title>Re:GetDataBack</title>
	<author>shammyclause</author>
	<datestamp>1243967100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <a href="http://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-software.htm" title="runtime.org" rel="nofollow">GetDataBack</a> [runtime.org] has worked perfectly for me many times. Very easy interface, works on deleted files as well as formatted disks (provided the data you want to recover hasn't been overwritten, of course). Worth the $79, IMO.</p></div><p>Another vote for GetDataBack for NTFS.  IT has worked well for me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>GetDataBack [ runtime.org ] has worked perfectly for me many times .
Very easy interface , works on deleted files as well as formatted disks ( provided the data you want to recover has n't been overwritten , of course ) .
Worth the $ 79 , IMO.Another vote for GetDataBack for NTFS .
IT has worked well for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> GetDataBack [runtime.org] has worked perfectly for me many times.
Very easy interface, works on deleted files as well as formatted disks (provided the data you want to recover hasn't been overwritten, of course).
Worth the $79, IMO.Another vote for GetDataBack for NTFS.
IT has worked well for me.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181807</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28205685</id>
	<title>Re:R-Studio</title>
	<author>DaFallus</author>
	<datestamp>1244049780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I accidentally began to format a drive with a lot of important data on it back in college (never try to install an operating system while drunk). I came across R-Studio and downloaded the demo. If I remember correctly, the demo allows you to do everything the full version does short of actually recovering the files. It allows you to get familiar with the program and see what data is recoverable. I immediately bought the full version after that and saved about 95\% of my data. Now if I could just find the CD with the installer...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I accidentally began to format a drive with a lot of important data on it back in college ( never try to install an operating system while drunk ) .
I came across R-Studio and downloaded the demo .
If I remember correctly , the demo allows you to do everything the full version does short of actually recovering the files .
It allows you to get familiar with the program and see what data is recoverable .
I immediately bought the full version after that and saved about 95 \ % of my data .
Now if I could just find the CD with the installer.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I accidentally began to format a drive with a lot of important data on it back in college (never try to install an operating system while drunk).
I came across R-Studio and downloaded the demo.
If I remember correctly, the demo allows you to do everything the full version does short of actually recovering the files.
It allows you to get familiar with the program and see what data is recoverable.
I immediately bought the full version after that and saved about 95\% of my data.
Now if I could just find the CD with the installer...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181927</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183849</id>
	<title>Re:I Like Knoppix with a Good BIOS</title>
	<author>EkriirkE</author>
	<datestamp>1243963440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Vote here, too.   A few times something got corrupt in the NTFS filesystem on seperate machines.  Windows would start to boot, but once the ntfs driver loaded... BSOD!  Even WindowsPE discs, same result.  If I booted PE fully and attached the drive via USB adaptor<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... BSOD!
<br> <br>
Knoppix (or any linux I'd imagine) was able to read the drive &amp; files with no problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Vote here , too .
A few times something got corrupt in the NTFS filesystem on seperate machines .
Windows would start to boot , but once the ntfs driver loaded... BSOD ! Even WindowsPE discs , same result .
If I booted PE fully and attached the drive via USB adaptor ... BSOD ! Knoppix ( or any linux I 'd imagine ) was able to read the drive &amp; files with no problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vote here, too.
A few times something got corrupt in the NTFS filesystem on seperate machines.
Windows would start to boot, but once the ntfs driver loaded... BSOD!  Even WindowsPE discs, same result.
If I booted PE fully and attached the drive via USB adaptor ... BSOD!
 
Knoppix (or any linux I'd imagine) was able to read the drive &amp; files with no problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181849</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185761</id>
	<title>Windows Recovery</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243971540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had success with PC Inspector File Recovery.</p><p>http://www.pcinspector.de/Sites/file\_recovery/info.htm?language=1</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had success with PC Inspector File Recovery.http : //www.pcinspector.de/Sites/file \ _recovery/info.htm ? language = 1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had success with PC Inspector File Recovery.http://www.pcinspector.de/Sites/file\_recovery/info.htm?language=1</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185719</id>
	<title>Knowledge and experience comes first</title>
	<author>Lawand</author>
	<datestamp>1243971360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Due to the variety of types of errors and possible causes of data loss, I find that -throughout the recovery process- the more options you set by yourself (requiring knowledge and experience in hard drives and file systems) the more efficient the process is.

So, no matter the tool you choose, try to provide as much info to the tool as possible, and don't rely on the software developer(s) to choose a best general case which will always work...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Due to the variety of types of errors and possible causes of data loss , I find that -throughout the recovery process- the more options you set by yourself ( requiring knowledge and experience in hard drives and file systems ) the more efficient the process is .
So , no matter the tool you choose , try to provide as much info to the tool as possible , and do n't rely on the software developer ( s ) to choose a best general case which will always work.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Due to the variety of types of errors and possible causes of data loss, I find that -throughout the recovery process- the more options you set by yourself (requiring knowledge and experience in hard drives and file systems) the more efficient the process is.
So, no matter the tool you choose, try to provide as much info to the tool as possible, and don't rely on the software developer(s) to choose a best general case which will always work...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181939</id>
	<title>Knoppix with a Drive Adaptor</title>
	<author>Push Latency</author>
	<datestamp>1243956540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>For your health!</htmltext>
<tokenext>For your health !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For your health!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28192145</id>
	<title>Re:I Like Knoppix with a Good BIOS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243967340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is changing the spindle speed the same as adjusting the IDE acoustic mode? I'm looking for an entry in the IDE spec because I had no idea that rotational speed is software selectable on some drives. Thanks...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is changing the spindle speed the same as adjusting the IDE acoustic mode ?
I 'm looking for an entry in the IDE spec because I had no idea that rotational speed is software selectable on some drives .
Thanks.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is changing the spindle speed the same as adjusting the IDE acoustic mode?
I'm looking for an entry in the IDE spec because I had no idea that rotational speed is software selectable on some drives.
Thanks...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181849</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183017</id>
	<title>SpinRite 6.0</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243960140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SpinRite 6.0 has worked for me very well for many years now. It's slow, and has very very entertaining graphics. Under 2MB ISO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SpinRite 6.0 has worked for me very well for many years now .
It 's slow , and has very very entertaining graphics .
Under 2MB ISO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SpinRite 6.0 has worked for me very well for many years now.
It's slow, and has very very entertaining graphics.
Under 2MB ISO.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181849</id>
	<title>I Like Knoppix with a Good BIOS</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1243956240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>

I'm not a pro in this department although I've saved a lot of partial data from hard drives for some friends (I'll be very interested in these comments).  <br> <br>

I use a live CD of Knoppix which <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix#Popularity" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">has really good system repair and troubleshooting</a> [wikipedia.org].  I also have another important tool which is an old Dell Intel motherboard that allows me to set the rotational speed of the drive.  Example: my friend's laptop is giving him the click of death so I pop out the IDE drive and hook it up to a 2.5" to 3.5" connector and plug it into the motherboard with a working 1TB 3.5" slaved.  On boot up, I hit the BIOS and set the speed as low as it can go or low enough like 1,000 RPM.  Then I boot into Knoppix live CD and check to see if I can mount the file system.  Knoppix seems to be able to mount a lot of partitions that other more stringent flavors of Linux don't.  Sometimes it clicks from the get go and there's nothing you can do.  But if it doesn't, then I set a script up to copy their most valuable directories first onto the working 1TB drive.  I let it run all night or weekend and check the drive periodically for heat problems.  People are surprised what you can save for them doing this<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the downside is sometimes I'm surprised in what I save for people--p0rn is not worth my time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a pro in this department although I 've saved a lot of partial data from hard drives for some friends ( I 'll be very interested in these comments ) .
I use a live CD of Knoppix which has really good system repair and troubleshooting [ wikipedia.org ] .
I also have another important tool which is an old Dell Intel motherboard that allows me to set the rotational speed of the drive .
Example : my friend 's laptop is giving him the click of death so I pop out the IDE drive and hook it up to a 2.5 " to 3.5 " connector and plug it into the motherboard with a working 1TB 3.5 " slaved .
On boot up , I hit the BIOS and set the speed as low as it can go or low enough like 1,000 RPM .
Then I boot into Knoppix live CD and check to see if I can mount the file system .
Knoppix seems to be able to mount a lot of partitions that other more stringent flavors of Linux do n't .
Sometimes it clicks from the get go and there 's nothing you can do .
But if it does n't , then I set a script up to copy their most valuable directories first onto the working 1TB drive .
I let it run all night or weekend and check the drive periodically for heat problems .
People are surprised what you can save for them doing this ... the downside is sometimes I 'm surprised in what I save for people--p0rn is not worth my time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

I'm not a pro in this department although I've saved a lot of partial data from hard drives for some friends (I'll be very interested in these comments).
I use a live CD of Knoppix which has really good system repair and troubleshooting [wikipedia.org].
I also have another important tool which is an old Dell Intel motherboard that allows me to set the rotational speed of the drive.
Example: my friend's laptop is giving him the click of death so I pop out the IDE drive and hook it up to a 2.5" to 3.5" connector and plug it into the motherboard with a working 1TB 3.5" slaved.
On boot up, I hit the BIOS and set the speed as low as it can go or low enough like 1,000 RPM.
Then I boot into Knoppix live CD and check to see if I can mount the file system.
Knoppix seems to be able to mount a lot of partitions that other more stringent flavors of Linux don't.
Sometimes it clicks from the get go and there's nothing you can do.
But if it doesn't, then I set a script up to copy their most valuable directories first onto the working 1TB drive.
I let it run all night or weekend and check the drive periodically for heat problems.
People are surprised what you can save for them doing this ... the downside is sometimes I'm surprised in what I save for people--p0rn is not worth my time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183085</id>
	<title>Re:GetDataBack</title>
	<author>antdude</author>
	<datestamp>1243960320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any free clones?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any free clones ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any free clones?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181807</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185123</id>
	<title>Re:I Like Knoppix with a Good BIOS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243968660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if it is personal p0rn? You can't remake those movies from your twenties when you're sixty. Same as you cannot get back your baby pictures when you are no longer a baby. I have friends with an excellent photo 'collection' of their long life together that they like to share on occasion. It is all quite tasteful by the way, just a little unusual. In retrospect, I wish my wife and I had done the same, though I am not sure I would be so free in sharing the images with friends.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if it is personal p0rn ?
You ca n't remake those movies from your twenties when you 're sixty .
Same as you can not get back your baby pictures when you are no longer a baby .
I have friends with an excellent photo 'collection ' of their long life together that they like to share on occasion .
It is all quite tasteful by the way , just a little unusual .
In retrospect , I wish my wife and I had done the same , though I am not sure I would be so free in sharing the images with friends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if it is personal p0rn?
You can't remake those movies from your twenties when you're sixty.
Same as you cannot get back your baby pictures when you are no longer a baby.
I have friends with an excellent photo 'collection' of their long life together that they like to share on occasion.
It is all quite tasteful by the way, just a little unusual.
In retrospect, I wish my wife and I had done the same, though I am not sure I would be so free in sharing the images with friends.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181849</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28196173</id>
	<title>Re:GetDataBack</title>
	<author>xaustinx</author>
	<datestamp>1244045580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>R-studio  as long a the drive spins it will work..., i've even been able to recover data from drives where were perpetually clicking (although not much, and the user didn't want to pay a data recovery service).... its works 99/100 times for me..  it can recover file names, directory names, etc.. unless the data has been overwritten...in which case it will only recover the part of the data which hasn't been overwritten yet... have retrieved deleted files that were several years old... cannot recommend it enough.</htmltext>
<tokenext>R-studio as long a the drive spins it will work... , i 've even been able to recover data from drives where were perpetually clicking ( although not much , and the user did n't want to pay a data recovery service ) .... its works 99/100 times for me.. it can recover file names , directory names , etc.. unless the data has been overwritten...in which case it will only recover the part of the data which has n't been overwritten yet... have retrieved deleted files that were several years old... can not recommend it enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>R-studio  as long a the drive spins it will work..., i've even been able to recover data from drives where were perpetually clicking (although not much, and the user didn't want to pay a data recovery service).... its works 99/100 times for me..  it can recover file names, directory names, etc.. unless the data has been overwritten...in which case it will only recover the part of the data which hasn't been overwritten yet... have retrieved deleted files that were several years old... cannot recommend it enough.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181807</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28193895</id>
	<title>Re:Ordinary Kitchen Stuff</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244033340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HEY!  I have a patent on that encryption technique!!!!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HEY !
I have a patent on that encryption technique ! ! ! !
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HEY!
I have a patent on that encryption technique!!!!
:-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181771</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183673</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243962660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Absolutely!  I love this program.</p><p>It's FREE TO USE TO DETERMINE IF IT WORKS FOR YOU!  That sold it to me immediately.</p><p>I was able to look at the files it could recover, decided that yes, it's going to work, and payed for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely !
I love this program.It 's FREE TO USE TO DETERMINE IF IT WORKS FOR YOU !
That sold it to me immediately.I was able to look at the files it could recover , decided that yes , it 's going to work , and payed for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely!
I love this program.It's FREE TO USE TO DETERMINE IF IT WORKS FOR YOU!
That sold it to me immediately.I was able to look at the files it could recover, decided that yes, it's going to work, and payed for it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181769</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183539</id>
	<title>A mix of tools...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243961940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the disk is good, but the OS hosed, try a Vista install DVD. Boot it into recovery mode, and one of the options is "copy files". (Honestly, the recovery tools included with Vista are a good first step). It'll copy the files to a USB hard disk.</p><p>If not, then it's time to boot Knoppix (which can mount NTFS just fine, thanks to ntfs-3g). If the disk is dying, but still good, use something like ddrescue to make an image (ddrescue uses dd to clone the disk, but it'll first do the good parts (fast), then try harder and harder on the parts the disk has problems with - this way you'll get the good parts of the disk off quickly and it can concentrate on the bad parts).</p><p>If you lost your partitions, gpart wourks great at seeking and finding 'em. One of my coworkers had just that problem and gpart managed to recover the partition table...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the disk is good , but the OS hosed , try a Vista install DVD .
Boot it into recovery mode , and one of the options is " copy files " .
( Honestly , the recovery tools included with Vista are a good first step ) .
It 'll copy the files to a USB hard disk.If not , then it 's time to boot Knoppix ( which can mount NTFS just fine , thanks to ntfs-3g ) .
If the disk is dying , but still good , use something like ddrescue to make an image ( ddrescue uses dd to clone the disk , but it 'll first do the good parts ( fast ) , then try harder and harder on the parts the disk has problems with - this way you 'll get the good parts of the disk off quickly and it can concentrate on the bad parts ) .If you lost your partitions , gpart wourks great at seeking and finding 'em .
One of my coworkers had just that problem and gpart managed to recover the partition table.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the disk is good, but the OS hosed, try a Vista install DVD.
Boot it into recovery mode, and one of the options is "copy files".
(Honestly, the recovery tools included with Vista are a good first step).
It'll copy the files to a USB hard disk.If not, then it's time to boot Knoppix (which can mount NTFS just fine, thanks to ntfs-3g).
If the disk is dying, but still good, use something like ddrescue to make an image (ddrescue uses dd to clone the disk, but it'll first do the good parts (fast), then try harder and harder on the parts the disk has problems with - this way you'll get the good parts of the disk off quickly and it can concentrate on the bad parts).If you lost your partitions, gpart wourks great at seeking and finding 'em.
One of my coworkers had just that problem and gpart managed to recover the partition table...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183605</id>
	<title>Re:Cannot beat RAID</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243962240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No problem, just buy an other one. At least you didn't loose your data. RAID is better than a backup because you don't have to think about keeping it up to date.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No problem , just buy an other one .
At least you did n't loose your data .
RAID is better than a backup because you do n't have to think about keeping it up to date .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No problem, just buy an other one.
At least you didn't loose your data.
RAID is better than a backup because you don't have to think about keeping it up to date.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182921</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184335</id>
	<title>How to get past mechanical failures</title>
	<author>comrade.putin</author>
	<datestamp>1243965540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my years of a repair shop, I found a bastard workaround in case of mechanical problems.<br>First we started freezing the drives, which gave us about half hour to copy files. After that the process would completely stop. To get past that, I created a system.<br>Plug the harddrive in. While plugged in, put it into 3 garbage bags. Those seem to have the most trustworthy seals. Place the drive in a bucket of ice, then fill the bucket with cold water. Don't use bubble wrap, since that will insulate the drive from the water, which is counterproductive.<br>At this point, the drive will always stay at the temperature of melting ice, ie 32F or 0C.<br>We were successful at recovering many drives this way, saving clients money, and making more for ourselves<br>Sounds crazy? But it works!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my years of a repair shop , I found a bastard workaround in case of mechanical problems.First we started freezing the drives , which gave us about half hour to copy files .
After that the process would completely stop .
To get past that , I created a system.Plug the harddrive in .
While plugged in , put it into 3 garbage bags .
Those seem to have the most trustworthy seals .
Place the drive in a bucket of ice , then fill the bucket with cold water .
Do n't use bubble wrap , since that will insulate the drive from the water , which is counterproductive.At this point , the drive will always stay at the temperature of melting ice , ie 32F or 0C.We were successful at recovering many drives this way , saving clients money , and making more for ourselvesSounds crazy ?
But it works !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my years of a repair shop, I found a bastard workaround in case of mechanical problems.First we started freezing the drives, which gave us about half hour to copy files.
After that the process would completely stop.
To get past that, I created a system.Plug the harddrive in.
While plugged in, put it into 3 garbage bags.
Those seem to have the most trustworthy seals.
Place the drive in a bucket of ice, then fill the bucket with cold water.
Don't use bubble wrap, since that will insulate the drive from the water, which is counterproductive.At this point, the drive will always stay at the temperature of melting ice, ie 32F or 0C.We were successful at recovering many drives this way, saving clients money, and making more for ourselvesSounds crazy?
But it works!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182061</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183697</id>
	<title>Re:GetDataBack</title>
	<author>cixelsyd</author>
	<datestamp>1243962720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another vote here for the EXCELLENT GetDataBack. I've used it successfully MANY times for clients over the past 5 years.

I've also had some decent luck with the free (as in beer) <a href="http://www.recuva.com/" title="recuva.com" rel="nofollow">Recuva</a> [recuva.com], but it is NOT as capable/in-depth as GetDataBack. It's more intended to be relatively easy to use.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another vote here for the EXCELLENT GetDataBack .
I 've used it successfully MANY times for clients over the past 5 years .
I 've also had some decent luck with the free ( as in beer ) Recuva [ recuva.com ] , but it is NOT as capable/in-depth as GetDataBack .
It 's more intended to be relatively easy to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another vote here for the EXCELLENT GetDataBack.
I've used it successfully MANY times for clients over the past 5 years.
I've also had some decent luck with the free (as in beer) Recuva [recuva.com], but it is NOT as capable/in-depth as GetDataBack.
It's more intended to be relatively easy to use.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181807</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28191905</id>
	<title>Use ddrescue instead of dd</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243964280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>dd is only good to a point.  Gnu ddrescue (not to be confused with dd\_rescue) is much better at working with physical errors in that it can work around them and then come back to the missed and try to get more information.</p><p>Run this once:<br>ddresue -n<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/source/drive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/target logfile</p><p>Then run this to try to work around any errors<br>ddrescue -r -1<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/source/drive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/target logfile</p><p>The process can be stopped and later resumed thanks to the log file.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dd is only good to a point .
Gnu ddrescue ( not to be confused with dd \ _rescue ) is much better at working with physical errors in that it can work around them and then come back to the missed and try to get more information.Run this once : ddresue -n /source/drive /target logfileThen run this to try to work around any errorsddrescue -r -1 /source/drive /target logfileThe process can be stopped and later resumed thanks to the log file .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dd is only good to a point.
Gnu ddrescue (not to be confused with dd\_rescue) is much better at working with physical errors in that it can work around them and then come back to the missed and try to get more information.Run this once:ddresue -n /source/drive /target logfileThen run this to try to work around any errorsddrescue -r -1 /source/drive /target logfileThe process can be stopped and later resumed thanks to the log file.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182015</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182227</id>
	<title>I'm hardcore though...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243957440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Notepad<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Notepad ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Notepad ;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28190527</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>Master of Transhuman</author>
	<datestamp>1243952160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tried that. Didn't work because Cthulhu fucked up the client's drive. Client had a copy of the real Necronomicon on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tried that .
Did n't work because Cthulhu fucked up the client 's drive .
Client had a copy of the real Necronomicon on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tried that.
Didn't work because Cthulhu fucked up the client's drive.
Client had a copy of the real Necronomicon on it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182295</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182595</id>
	<title>Re:Pros avoid having to use data recovery tools.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243958700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And middle-management tells pros "we don't have budget for backup systems!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And middle-management tells pros " we do n't have budget for backup systems !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And middle-management tells pros "we don't have budget for backup systems!
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182001</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183227</id>
	<title>Re:My .02</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1243960800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Something like FreeFileSync has lots of advantages over a batch file:</p><p><a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/</a> [sourceforge.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Something like FreeFileSync has lots of advantages over a batch file : http : //sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/ [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something like FreeFileSync has lots of advantages over a batch file:http://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/ [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181977</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182921</id>
	<title>Re:Cannot beat RAID</title>
	<author>Glonoinha</author>
	<datestamp>1243959720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Backup is better than RAID.<br>Also - RAID 5 is great if you smoke a drive.  What happens if you smoke your RAID controller?  I've seen it happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Backup is better than RAID.Also - RAID 5 is great if you smoke a drive .
What happens if you smoke your RAID controller ?
I 've seen it happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Backup is better than RAID.Also - RAID 5 is great if you smoke a drive.
What happens if you smoke your RAID controller?
I've seen it happen.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182561</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184719</id>
	<title>External USB enclosures + UBCD 4win</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243967100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First time here on slashdot, so I'm still Anonymous Coward.</p><p>I typically use external USB enclosures, and the Ultimate Boot CD for Windows + Live Linux distrobutions.  They both have their pros and cons,<br>The UBCD 4win is great for people who:<br>1. don't know Linux<br>2. are afraid of Linux<br>3 hate Linux<br>It has many tools and works great for both diagnostics of the drive, and data recovery. The environment is a bit laggy.</p><p>The Live Linux CD's give you a better interface to work from and better file-system compatibility, Less diagnostic ability. If I know a drive is dying and I just need the data I prefer Live Linux. If I have questions about the Drives integrity I use the UBCD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First time here on slashdot , so I 'm still Anonymous Coward.I typically use external USB enclosures , and the Ultimate Boot CD for Windows + Live Linux distrobutions .
They both have their pros and cons,The UBCD 4win is great for people who : 1. do n't know Linux2 .
are afraid of Linux3 hate LinuxIt has many tools and works great for both diagnostics of the drive , and data recovery .
The environment is a bit laggy.The Live Linux CD 's give you a better interface to work from and better file-system compatibility , Less diagnostic ability .
If I know a drive is dying and I just need the data I prefer Live Linux .
If I have questions about the Drives integrity I use the UBCD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First time here on slashdot, so I'm still Anonymous Coward.I typically use external USB enclosures, and the Ultimate Boot CD for Windows + Live Linux distrobutions.
They both have their pros and cons,The UBCD 4win is great for people who:1. don't know Linux2.
are afraid of Linux3 hate LinuxIt has many tools and works great for both diagnostics of the drive, and data recovery.
The environment is a bit laggy.The Live Linux CD's give you a better interface to work from and better file-system compatibility, Less diagnostic ability.
If I know a drive is dying and I just need the data I prefer Live Linux.
If I have questions about the Drives integrity I use the UBCD.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28188401</id>
	<title>What I do</title>
	<author>yochaigal</author>
	<datestamp>1243939500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I can't pull the hard drive out right there, I use a live usb stick of either ubuntu or CAINE/Trinity Rescue CD, then run smartmontools short test to see if it is really dying.  I also try mounting the partition and checking dmesg output.
If I can see that the hard drive is dying, I pull the drive out and run ddrescue on another machine, until I can pull off a good image.
If it's simply a partition issue, and I can't mount it or repair the filesystem right away, then I run testdisk.  Of course, a good chkdsk on an NTFS partition can almost always help.

DDRESCUE RULES!!! NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH that OTHER DD\_RESCUE!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I ca n't pull the hard drive out right there , I use a live usb stick of either ubuntu or CAINE/Trinity Rescue CD , then run smartmontools short test to see if it is really dying .
I also try mounting the partition and checking dmesg output .
If I can see that the hard drive is dying , I pull the drive out and run ddrescue on another machine , until I can pull off a good image .
If it 's simply a partition issue , and I ca n't mount it or repair the filesystem right away , then I run testdisk .
Of course , a good chkdsk on an NTFS partition can almost always help .
DDRESCUE RULES ! ! !
NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH that OTHER DD \ _RESCUE ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I can't pull the hard drive out right there, I use a live usb stick of either ubuntu or CAINE/Trinity Rescue CD, then run smartmontools short test to see if it is really dying.
I also try mounting the partition and checking dmesg output.
If I can see that the hard drive is dying, I pull the drive out and run ddrescue on another machine, until I can pull off a good image.
If it's simply a partition issue, and I can't mount it or repair the filesystem right away, then I run testdisk.
Of course, a good chkdsk on an NTFS partition can almost always help.
DDRESCUE RULES!!!
NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH that OTHER DD\_RESCUE!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28187765</id>
	<title>USB Keys??</title>
	<author>Insipid Trunculance</author>
	<datestamp>1243936860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anybody have any luck rescuing dead usb flash drives??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anybody have any luck rescuing dead usb flash drives ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anybody have any luck rescuing dead usb flash drives?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182685</id>
	<title>Re:None!</title>
	<author>Amouth</author>
	<datestamp>1243959000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Backups by definition can't be real time - Mirrors can..  but you wouldn't need to recover data if you have a Mirror.</p><p>Out side of experienceing unknown failure of a backup you shouldn't be trying to recover anything.</p><p>When ever you design your backup strategy you have to define the amount of data that is willing to be lost - then design around that and your budget.</p><p>and i don't care what anyone says.. zero loss is never truly achievable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Backups by definition ca n't be real time - Mirrors can.. but you would n't need to recover data if you have a Mirror.Out side of experienceing unknown failure of a backup you should n't be trying to recover anything.When ever you design your backup strategy you have to define the amount of data that is willing to be lost - then design around that and your budget.and i do n't care what anyone says.. zero loss is never truly achievable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Backups by definition can't be real time - Mirrors can..  but you wouldn't need to recover data if you have a Mirror.Out side of experienceing unknown failure of a backup you shouldn't be trying to recover anything.When ever you design your backup strategy you have to define the amount of data that is willing to be lost - then design around that and your budget.and i don't care what anyone says.. zero loss is never truly achievable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182243</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182077</id>
	<title>I find the most effective tool to be...</title>
	<author>nih</author>
	<datestamp>1243956960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>format c:</htmltext>
<tokenext>format c :</tokentext>
<sentencetext>format c:</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185481</id>
	<title>Methods used by EcoDataRecovery.com</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243970340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>Sample drive:</b> 40GB Hitachi 2.5" Laptop IDE, Windows OS<br>
<b>Equipment:</b> (1) Standard desktop PC, no host operating system, 2 open IDE or SATA ports, floppy drive, (kb/mon) [DRIVE CLONING]<br>
(1) Standard desktop PC, Windows XP operating system, open IDE or SATA port, (kb/mon/mouse) [FILE RECOVERY]<br>
<b>Software:</b> Media Tools Professional, RTT R-Studio, Ontrack Easy Recovery Professional<br> <br>

<b>Step One - Diagnosis:</b> Connect customer drive to first IDE channel and a good, empty drive (previously zeroed) of equal or larger LBA to second channel.  If customer drive model is detected by system BIOS, jump to [Step Two - Cloning].  If drive is not detected, check to see if it is spinning or making noises.  If drive is spinning and indexing (the brief click-clunking you here after it reaches target RPM), then keep power-cycling drive until it detects.  If drive is spinning and not indexing, not spinning, or clacking repeatedly - I can't really cover all that, but you can find HOWTOs on YouTube.  As long as it isn't a firmware related problem, you can attempt a physical recovery at home (unless you have major $$).  *You do NOT NEED A CLEAN ROOM* - a computer desk with all the junk moved aside and some finger condoms will work just fine.  You'd be surprised just how resilient a hard drive is, despite all the horror stories online.  A head swap on a 40GB laptop drive takes less than 15 minutes once you've done it a few thousand times.  The firmware issue I mentioned above is a problem you aren't going to overcome at home (again, unless you're willing to spend $8k+).  Data recovery companies use standard desktop PCs with a special ISA/PCI card to recode the information coming to and from the firmware area of the drive.  Some makes/models have firmware information written to the data tracks and others have it embedded on the PCB.  This is very different from user-accessible firmware areas you might find on some makes of drives.  For more information, contact ACE Labs or DeepSpar and query the PC-3000 drive recovery system.<br> <br>

<b>Step Two - Cloning:</b> Since you've come this far, you're GOING to get data back.  However, this step will determine just how much.  Much like painting an automobile, the result here is a direct result of your preparation and attention to detail.  The onboard SATA/ATA controllers are often pretty sluggish with this step.  If you have the ability, pick up a Promise ATA133/SATA controller PCI card with enough of the corresponding connector type to connect both your source and destination drives to.  You might also find that drives which previously wouldn't detect on the mobo SATA/ATA ports will detect on a PCI-based card - sometimes that's just the delay the drive needs to come to life, since the PCI card initializes well after the PC BIOS.  Anyway, since you still have everything hooked-up from Step One, insert the Media Tools Professional (MTL) floppy disk and boot from it.  This is a much more efficient procedure than using a Windows utility.  Work your way through the menu to clone from disk to disk - 'Source' is the customer drive and 'Destination' is your empty drive.  Begin cloning from the front to back.  If you run into read errors, accept the errors and keep going.  There are more advanced methods possible here but we're going to try for minimum effort since the customer paid a minimum fee of $175 anyway...*ahem*.<br> <br>

<b>Step Three - Recovery:</b> This is the software recovery part.  It is pretty much self-explanitory.  Connect the copy of the customer's drive to the 'File Recovery' PC and boot into your Windows installation.  It is very important that you know what you're doing and how to hook things up so you don't accidently boot off the customer's data drive.  If it gives you fits, you can disconnect the drive and boot Windows first, then put the data drive in a USB sled and connect it after Windows has finished loading.  Now open R-studio and open the drive contents.  Snoop through all their data.  Then begin copying user data to a network drive or large</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sample drive : 40GB Hitachi 2.5 " Laptop IDE , Windows OS Equipment : ( 1 ) Standard desktop PC , no host operating system , 2 open IDE or SATA ports , floppy drive , ( kb/mon ) [ DRIVE CLONING ] ( 1 ) Standard desktop PC , Windows XP operating system , open IDE or SATA port , ( kb/mon/mouse ) [ FILE RECOVERY ] Software : Media Tools Professional , RTT R-Studio , Ontrack Easy Recovery Professional Step One - Diagnosis : Connect customer drive to first IDE channel and a good , empty drive ( previously zeroed ) of equal or larger LBA to second channel .
If customer drive model is detected by system BIOS , jump to [ Step Two - Cloning ] .
If drive is not detected , check to see if it is spinning or making noises .
If drive is spinning and indexing ( the brief click-clunking you here after it reaches target RPM ) , then keep power-cycling drive until it detects .
If drive is spinning and not indexing , not spinning , or clacking repeatedly - I ca n't really cover all that , but you can find HOWTOs on YouTube .
As long as it is n't a firmware related problem , you can attempt a physical recovery at home ( unless you have major $ $ ) .
* You do NOT NEED A CLEAN ROOM * - a computer desk with all the junk moved aside and some finger condoms will work just fine .
You 'd be surprised just how resilient a hard drive is , despite all the horror stories online .
A head swap on a 40GB laptop drive takes less than 15 minutes once you 've done it a few thousand times .
The firmware issue I mentioned above is a problem you are n't going to overcome at home ( again , unless you 're willing to spend $ 8k + ) .
Data recovery companies use standard desktop PCs with a special ISA/PCI card to recode the information coming to and from the firmware area of the drive .
Some makes/models have firmware information written to the data tracks and others have it embedded on the PCB .
This is very different from user-accessible firmware areas you might find on some makes of drives .
For more information , contact ACE Labs or DeepSpar and query the PC-3000 drive recovery system .
Step Two - Cloning : Since you 've come this far , you 're GOING to get data back .
However , this step will determine just how much .
Much like painting an automobile , the result here is a direct result of your preparation and attention to detail .
The onboard SATA/ATA controllers are often pretty sluggish with this step .
If you have the ability , pick up a Promise ATA133/SATA controller PCI card with enough of the corresponding connector type to connect both your source and destination drives to .
You might also find that drives which previously would n't detect on the mobo SATA/ATA ports will detect on a PCI-based card - sometimes that 's just the delay the drive needs to come to life , since the PCI card initializes well after the PC BIOS .
Anyway , since you still have everything hooked-up from Step One , insert the Media Tools Professional ( MTL ) floppy disk and boot from it .
This is a much more efficient procedure than using a Windows utility .
Work your way through the menu to clone from disk to disk - 'Source ' is the customer drive and 'Destination ' is your empty drive .
Begin cloning from the front to back .
If you run into read errors , accept the errors and keep going .
There are more advanced methods possible here but we 're going to try for minimum effort since the customer paid a minimum fee of $ 175 anyway... * ahem * .
Step Three - Recovery : This is the software recovery part .
It is pretty much self-explanitory .
Connect the copy of the customer 's drive to the 'File Recovery ' PC and boot into your Windows installation .
It is very important that you know what you 're doing and how to hook things up so you do n't accidently boot off the customer 's data drive .
If it gives you fits , you can disconnect the drive and boot Windows first , then put the data drive in a USB sled and connect it after Windows has finished loading .
Now open R-studio and open the drive contents .
Snoop through all their data .
Then begin copying user data to a network drive or large</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sample drive: 40GB Hitachi 2.5" Laptop IDE, Windows OS
Equipment: (1) Standard desktop PC, no host operating system, 2 open IDE or SATA ports, floppy drive, (kb/mon) [DRIVE CLONING]
(1) Standard desktop PC, Windows XP operating system, open IDE or SATA port, (kb/mon/mouse) [FILE RECOVERY]
Software: Media Tools Professional, RTT R-Studio, Ontrack Easy Recovery Professional 

Step One - Diagnosis: Connect customer drive to first IDE channel and a good, empty drive (previously zeroed) of equal or larger LBA to second channel.
If customer drive model is detected by system BIOS, jump to [Step Two - Cloning].
If drive is not detected, check to see if it is spinning or making noises.
If drive is spinning and indexing (the brief click-clunking you here after it reaches target RPM), then keep power-cycling drive until it detects.
If drive is spinning and not indexing, not spinning, or clacking repeatedly - I can't really cover all that, but you can find HOWTOs on YouTube.
As long as it isn't a firmware related problem, you can attempt a physical recovery at home (unless you have major $$).
*You do NOT NEED A CLEAN ROOM* - a computer desk with all the junk moved aside and some finger condoms will work just fine.
You'd be surprised just how resilient a hard drive is, despite all the horror stories online.
A head swap on a 40GB laptop drive takes less than 15 minutes once you've done it a few thousand times.
The firmware issue I mentioned above is a problem you aren't going to overcome at home (again, unless you're willing to spend $8k+).
Data recovery companies use standard desktop PCs with a special ISA/PCI card to recode the information coming to and from the firmware area of the drive.
Some makes/models have firmware information written to the data tracks and others have it embedded on the PCB.
This is very different from user-accessible firmware areas you might find on some makes of drives.
For more information, contact ACE Labs or DeepSpar and query the PC-3000 drive recovery system.
Step Two - Cloning: Since you've come this far, you're GOING to get data back.
However, this step will determine just how much.
Much like painting an automobile, the result here is a direct result of your preparation and attention to detail.
The onboard SATA/ATA controllers are often pretty sluggish with this step.
If you have the ability, pick up a Promise ATA133/SATA controller PCI card with enough of the corresponding connector type to connect both your source and destination drives to.
You might also find that drives which previously wouldn't detect on the mobo SATA/ATA ports will detect on a PCI-based card - sometimes that's just the delay the drive needs to come to life, since the PCI card initializes well after the PC BIOS.
Anyway, since you still have everything hooked-up from Step One, insert the Media Tools Professional (MTL) floppy disk and boot from it.
This is a much more efficient procedure than using a Windows utility.
Work your way through the menu to clone from disk to disk - 'Source' is the customer drive and 'Destination' is your empty drive.
Begin cloning from the front to back.
If you run into read errors, accept the errors and keep going.
There are more advanced methods possible here but we're going to try for minimum effort since the customer paid a minimum fee of $175 anyway...*ahem*.
Step Three - Recovery: This is the software recovery part.
It is pretty much self-explanitory.
Connect the copy of the customer's drive to the 'File Recovery' PC and boot into your Windows installation.
It is very important that you know what you're doing and how to hook things up so you don't accidently boot off the customer's data drive.
If it gives you fits, you can disconnect the drive and boot Windows first, then put the data drive in a USB sled and connect it after Windows has finished loading.
Now open R-studio and open the drive contents.
Snoop through all their data.
Then begin copying user data to a network drive or large</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185991</id>
	<title>EnCase and other forensic software</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1243972560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people here will recommend those "one click and you're done" tools. But those tools, and the missing knowledge about file systems and storage, often destroy more than they save.</p><p>Over the years, I gradually went from those colorful one-click things over some different tools, to professional software like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EnCase" title="wikipedia.org">EnCase</a> [wikipedia.org] et. al., plus some Linux shell tools. With them, I even save the hard stuff.</p><p>Still, the best "recovery" is prevention with backups, ZFS scrubbing and S.M.A.R.T.. (But beware those virii and disk errors that slowly corrupt the data. When you notice it, all backups are already destroyed.)</p><p>By the way: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data\_recovery#Recovery\_software" title="wikipedia.org">Wikipedia could have told you this too.</a> [wikipedia.org] ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people here will recommend those " one click and you 're done " tools .
But those tools , and the missing knowledge about file systems and storage , often destroy more than they save.Over the years , I gradually went from those colorful one-click things over some different tools , to professional software like EnCase [ wikipedia.org ] et .
al. , plus some Linux shell tools .
With them , I even save the hard stuff.Still , the best " recovery " is prevention with backups , ZFS scrubbing and S.M.A.R.T.. ( But beware those virii and disk errors that slowly corrupt the data .
When you notice it , all backups are already destroyed .
) By the way : Wikipedia could have told you this too .
[ wikipedia.org ] ^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people here will recommend those "one click and you're done" tools.
But those tools, and the missing knowledge about file systems and storage, often destroy more than they save.Over the years, I gradually went from those colorful one-click things over some different tools, to professional software like EnCase [wikipedia.org] et.
al., plus some Linux shell tools.
With them, I even save the hard stuff.Still, the best "recovery" is prevention with backups, ZFS scrubbing and S.M.A.R.T.. (But beware those virii and disk errors that slowly corrupt the data.
When you notice it, all backups are already destroyed.
)By the way: Wikipedia could have told you this too.
[wikipedia.org] ^^</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184021</id>
	<title>XFS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243964220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anything out there for XFS? Like...at all?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anything out there for XFS ?
Like...at all ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anything out there for XFS?
Like...at all?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183635</id>
	<title>Duct tape!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243962360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is excellent for fixing a rattling disk, giving you enough time for a complete backup.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is excellent for fixing a rattling disk , giving you enough time for a complete backup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is excellent for fixing a rattling disk, giving you enough time for a complete backup.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181877</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>darkvad0r</author>
	<datestamp>1243956300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>For a free solution, check <a href="http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk" title="cgsecurity.org" rel="nofollow">TestDisk</a> [cgsecurity.org].
<br>
It has saved my data many times.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For a free solution , check TestDisk [ cgsecurity.org ] .
It has saved my data many times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a free solution, check TestDisk [cgsecurity.org].
It has saved my data many times.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181769</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185949</id>
	<title>Re:R-Studio</title>
	<author>rivaldufus</author>
	<datestamp>1243972320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In addition to R-studio,

<a href="http://www.runtime.org/raid.htm" title="runtime.org">http://www.runtime.org/raid.htm</a> [runtime.org] works on RAID, especially in combination of getdataback.
<br>I am rather fond of R-studio, though, as it supports UFS and UFS2. Most recovery tools only seem to suppott fat32, fat16, ntfs, and ext3.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In addition to R-studio , http : //www.runtime.org/raid.htm [ runtime.org ] works on RAID , especially in combination of getdataback .
I am rather fond of R-studio , though , as it supports UFS and UFS2 .
Most recovery tools only seem to suppott fat32 , fat16 , ntfs , and ext3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In addition to R-studio,

http://www.runtime.org/raid.htm [runtime.org] works on RAID, especially in combination of getdataback.
I am rather fond of R-studio, though, as it supports UFS and UFS2.
Most recovery tools only seem to suppott fat32, fat16, ntfs, and ext3.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181927</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28181771</id>
	<title>Ordinary Kitchen Stuff</title>
	<author>Mikkeles</author>
	<datestamp>1243956060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lemon juice and heat!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lemon juice and heat !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lemon juice and heat!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28187729</id>
	<title>Re:Spinrite works miracles wout grammar</title>
	<author>cinnamon colbert</author>
	<datestamp>1243936680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SpinRite's strongest and most unique capability<br>quote from their website</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>SpinRite 's strongest and most unique capabilityquote from their website</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SpinRite's strongest and most unique capabilityquote from their website
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183041</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28184033</id>
	<title>MAC OS X Recovery?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243964340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anybody got any good recommendations for MAC OS X recovery?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anybody got any good recommendations for MAC OS X recovery ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anybody got any good recommendations for MAC OS X recovery?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28190943</id>
	<title>Backups, off-site backups and Spinrite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243955400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Backups, off-site backups and Spinrite - in that order.</p><p>In modern servers, spinrite is a hassle to be avoided since it doesn't work on RAID systems.  Individual disks only, so you'll need to swap the failed disk to another machine to run it.  In many organizations, it is easier to pull the SMART data and have the drive returned under warranty.</p><p>Nothing replaces a backup - you did say "professional", right?  Professionals back up the OS, applications and data - PERIOD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Backups , off-site backups and Spinrite - in that order.In modern servers , spinrite is a hassle to be avoided since it does n't work on RAID systems .
Individual disks only , so you 'll need to swap the failed disk to another machine to run it .
In many organizations , it is easier to pull the SMART data and have the drive returned under warranty.Nothing replaces a backup - you did say " professional " , right ?
Professionals back up the OS , applications and data - PERIOD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Backups, off-site backups and Spinrite - in that order.In modern servers, spinrite is a hassle to be avoided since it doesn't work on RAID systems.
Individual disks only, so you'll need to swap the failed disk to another machine to run it.
In many organizations, it is easier to pull the SMART data and have the drive returned under warranty.Nothing replaces a backup - you did say "professional", right?
Professionals back up the OS, applications and data - PERIOD.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183621</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28191419</id>
	<title>Re:For a free solution, check</title>
	<author>MrKaos</author>
	<datestamp>1243959540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I specifically told them not to format the user drive but the tech reformatted it anyway.</p></div></blockquote><p>
*idiots*, the only way to be sure is to remove the drive, but I guess it was part of the warranty deal.</p><blockquote><div><p>I have a Linux PC with two drives formated with ReiserFS,</p></div></blockquote><p>
Good filesystem to recover from, I have successfully recovered data from a drive formatted over ReiserFS. For all his quirks, it's a great filesystem. What did they format over it, NTFS I'm guessing?</p><blockquote><div><p> I had more than 500GB on it so I've been looking for something to unformat it and recover the data.</p></div></blockquote><dl><dd>1. get a bigger drive say 1TB.</dd></dl><dl><dd>2. dd the raw image of the target drive onto the new drive *do not attempt data recovery off the original disk*, all data recovery is conducted from the dd image.</dd></dl><dl><dd>3. Do you have the original partition information, this can be handy as if you can get these original figure you can use some of the Reiser tools to restore the journal and recover the data, if you are lucky you will then be able to use fsck which will start to restore the files to Lost+Found as unconnected inodes. You may even be able to mount the image as a loopfs and copy the files off directly.</dd></dl><dl><dd>4. if you can't use 3, you will need to use a tool (magic rescue comes to mind) to recover files from the drive image based on file types in sweeps.
I have successfully recovered data from trashed drives this way. Fortunately for you you picked reiserFS which is more forgiving that other filesystems. You have lost data, but I rate you chances as pretty high even if some dolt has formatted right over your file systems. It takes a lot of time to do the recoveries so I usually set them up to run in batches over night.<p>
Good Luck!!!!!</p></dd></dl></div>
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<tokenext>I specifically told them not to format the user drive but the tech reformatted it anyway .
* idiots * , the only way to be sure is to remove the drive , but I guess it was part of the warranty deal.I have a Linux PC with two drives formated with ReiserFS , Good filesystem to recover from , I have successfully recovered data from a drive formatted over ReiserFS .
For all his quirks , it 's a great filesystem .
What did they format over it , NTFS I 'm guessing ?
I had more than 500GB on it so I 've been looking for something to unformat it and recover the data.1 .
get a bigger drive say 1TB.2 .
dd the raw image of the target drive onto the new drive * do not attempt data recovery off the original disk * , all data recovery is conducted from the dd image.3 .
Do you have the original partition information , this can be handy as if you can get these original figure you can use some of the Reiser tools to restore the journal and recover the data , if you are lucky you will then be able to use fsck which will start to restore the files to Lost + Found as unconnected inodes .
You may even be able to mount the image as a loopfs and copy the files off directly.4 .
if you ca n't use 3 , you will need to use a tool ( magic rescue comes to mind ) to recover files from the drive image based on file types in sweeps .
I have successfully recovered data from trashed drives this way .
Fortunately for you you picked reiserFS which is more forgiving that other filesystems .
You have lost data , but I rate you chances as pretty high even if some dolt has formatted right over your file systems .
It takes a lot of time to do the recoveries so I usually set them up to run in batches over night .
Good Luck ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I specifically told them not to format the user drive but the tech reformatted it anyway.
*idiots*, the only way to be sure is to remove the drive, but I guess it was part of the warranty deal.I have a Linux PC with two drives formated with ReiserFS,
Good filesystem to recover from, I have successfully recovered data from a drive formatted over ReiserFS.
For all his quirks, it's a great filesystem.
What did they format over it, NTFS I'm guessing?
I had more than 500GB on it so I've been looking for something to unformat it and recover the data.1.
get a bigger drive say 1TB.2.
dd the raw image of the target drive onto the new drive *do not attempt data recovery off the original disk*, all data recovery is conducted from the dd image.3.
Do you have the original partition information, this can be handy as if you can get these original figure you can use some of the Reiser tools to restore the journal and recover the data, if you are lucky you will then be able to use fsck which will start to restore the files to Lost+Found as unconnected inodes.
You may even be able to mount the image as a loopfs and copy the files off directly.4.
if you can't use 3, you will need to use a tool (magic rescue comes to mind) to recover files from the drive image based on file types in sweeps.
I have successfully recovered data from trashed drives this way.
Fortunately for you you picked reiserFS which is more forgiving that other filesystems.
You have lost data, but I rate you chances as pretty high even if some dolt has formatted right over your file systems.
It takes a lot of time to do the recoveries so I usually set them up to run in batches over night.
Good Luck!!!!
!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182015</id>
	<title>dd</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>dd if=/dev/sdb of=dump.img bs=512 conv=noerror,sync iflag=direct</p><p>Once a drive has started failing the first thing you want to do is get as good a copy of everything as you can manage. If it's a physical problem, especially if it's a damaged platter, then it tends to get worse as the drive is used. Get everything off and then work on the copy.</p><p>Tim.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dd if = /dev/sdb of = dump.img bs = 512 conv = noerror,sync iflag = directOnce a drive has started failing the first thing you want to do is get as good a copy of everything as you can manage .
If it 's a physical problem , especially if it 's a damaged platter , then it tends to get worse as the drive is used .
Get everything off and then work on the copy.Tim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dd if=/dev/sdb of=dump.img bs=512 conv=noerror,sync iflag=directOnce a drive has started failing the first thing you want to do is get as good a copy of everything as you can manage.
If it's a physical problem, especially if it's a damaged platter, then it tends to get worse as the drive is used.
Get everything off and then work on the copy.Tim.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28188189</id>
	<title>My tools.... HAMMER AND A FRIGDE !!</title>
	<author>deniea</author>
	<datestamp>1243938600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How to recover, depends on the state of the device you want to recover things from..</p><p>Most people that come to me to recover stuff from a hd.. We ask what type of recovery they want...<br>Corrupt device, corrupt tape, corrupt tapedrive etc..</p><p>Corrupt hd -&gt; Is it a software (filesystem issues)<br>-&gt; recover4all does the undelete actions quite well on MS type fs-esses<br>-&gt; Partition recovery (any fs)<br>-&gt; UFS explorer (linux fs and much more)</p><p>Corrupt tape:<br>-&gt; try tar, else rent really expensive professionals</p><p>Corrupt HD hardware (board)<br>-&gt; Be sure to never junk old HD's.. swapping a HD PCB can fix tons of problems !</p><p>Corrupt HD mechanics:<br>-&gt; Try a Linuxrescue/Knoppix CD.. and use dd\_rescue... Goes a long way</p><p>If the HD mechanics problem does not work... Try:<br>-&gt; Beers, fridge, rubberhammer, ziplock-bag:<br>
&nbsp; Cool down the HD quite a bit in a fridge, in a zip-locked bag (keeping it dry). Reconnect, keep it cool. Hit it with a rubber hammer fron the side...<br>use dd\_rescue.. Then if you can copy it to a working device then use the fs/software tools..</p><p>Over the last 10 years, on about 50 disks like that, I got a 70\% ratio. On tons of different disks.. Novell Netware, EXT3, XFS etc formated disks..</p><p>Be sure.. If a customers asks about pricing.. It ain't cheap !! Sometimes it took me 10 hours for a single disk.. (from a no-RAID Netware server, without backups, that was easily over 2000 euro !!) only 4 files out of 50.000 were corrupt... But had to do the whole thing.. (hd replacement board, in frigde , hit it with rubber hammer, dd\_rescue etc)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How to recover , depends on the state of the device you want to recover things from..Most people that come to me to recover stuff from a hd.. We ask what type of recovery they want...Corrupt device , corrupt tape , corrupt tapedrive etc..Corrupt hd - &gt; Is it a software ( filesystem issues ) - &gt; recover4all does the undelete actions quite well on MS type fs-esses- &gt; Partition recovery ( any fs ) - &gt; UFS explorer ( linux fs and much more ) Corrupt tape : - &gt; try tar , else rent really expensive professionalsCorrupt HD hardware ( board ) - &gt; Be sure to never junk old HD 's.. swapping a HD PCB can fix tons of problems ! Corrupt HD mechanics : - &gt; Try a Linuxrescue/Knoppix CD.. and use dd \ _rescue... Goes a long wayIf the HD mechanics problem does not work... Try : - &gt; Beers , fridge , rubberhammer , ziplock-bag :   Cool down the HD quite a bit in a fridge , in a zip-locked bag ( keeping it dry ) .
Reconnect , keep it cool .
Hit it with a rubber hammer fron the side...use dd \ _rescue.. Then if you can copy it to a working device then use the fs/software tools..Over the last 10 years , on about 50 disks like that , I got a 70 \ % ratio .
On tons of different disks.. Novell Netware , EXT3 , XFS etc formated disks..Be sure.. If a customers asks about pricing.. It ai n't cheap ! !
Sometimes it took me 10 hours for a single disk.. ( from a no-RAID Netware server , without backups , that was easily over 2000 euro ! !
) only 4 files out of 50.000 were corrupt... But had to do the whole thing.. ( hd replacement board , in frigde , hit it with rubber hammer , dd \ _rescue etc )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How to recover, depends on the state of the device you want to recover things from..Most people that come to me to recover stuff from a hd.. We ask what type of recovery they want...Corrupt device, corrupt tape, corrupt tapedrive etc..Corrupt hd -&gt; Is it a software (filesystem issues)-&gt; recover4all does the undelete actions quite well on MS type fs-esses-&gt; Partition recovery (any fs)-&gt; UFS explorer (linux fs and much more)Corrupt tape:-&gt; try tar, else rent really expensive professionalsCorrupt HD hardware (board)-&gt; Be sure to never junk old HD's.. swapping a HD PCB can fix tons of problems !Corrupt HD mechanics:-&gt; Try a Linuxrescue/Knoppix CD.. and use dd\_rescue... Goes a long wayIf the HD mechanics problem does not work... Try:-&gt; Beers, fridge, rubberhammer, ziplock-bag:
  Cool down the HD quite a bit in a fridge, in a zip-locked bag (keeping it dry).
Reconnect, keep it cool.
Hit it with a rubber hammer fron the side...use dd\_rescue.. Then if you can copy it to a working device then use the fs/software tools..Over the last 10 years, on about 50 disks like that, I got a 70\% ratio.
On tons of different disks.. Novell Netware, EXT3, XFS etc formated disks..Be sure.. If a customers asks about pricing.. It ain't cheap !!
Sometimes it took me 10 hours for a single disk.. (from a no-RAID Netware server, without backups, that was easily over 2000 euro !!
) only 4 files out of 50.000 were corrupt... But had to do the whole thing.. (hd replacement board, in frigde , hit it with rubber hammer, dd\_rescue etc)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183055</id>
	<title>Re:for fat and ntfs</title>
	<author>pushf popf</author>
	<datestamp>1243960260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been doing consulting and software development for around 30 years, and when I was young and dumb, thought I could fix anything. Now I know better and have found that in this situation, the phrase "Wow, that's too bad. Where are your backups?" works nicely.<br> <br>

While there are all sorts of voodoo, data scraping bit-remunging apps available, at the point before you do anything you have no liability. After you "recover" the data, you're on the hook for everything forever.<br> <br>

All you need is for the customer to come back 2 years later and tell you they were sued into the dirt because something they were required to disclose was missing or incorrect and you'll wish you never took the job.<br> <br>

And even if they don't sue, there will be a never-ending stream of phone calls about broken documents, files they can't find and all sorts of other "un-tidyness".<br> <br>

And even if they don't call, there will be eternal uncertainty about the quality of the recovered data. Are their financials correct? What was that number that had the letters nearby <strong>really</strong> supposed to be?<br> <br>

My favorite drive recovery method is now BackupPC. You set it up, configure it for an appropriate number of incremental backups each day and let it fly. When a drive craps out, replace it, click the appropriate checkbox on the "Restore" page and press the "go" button. No doubt, no lawsuits, no untidyness.<br> <br>

Do-it-yourself Data Recovery is great if you like to putter with things and have lots of time and no liability (employees generally can't be sued by their employer) however when actual money is at stake, it's better to just send the drive out and let someone who is actually equipped and staffed to do the recovery handle the work.<br> <br>

To put things in a different perspective, how happy would you be if the county tried to sell your house for unpaid taxes because billy-bob "who's really good with computers" did their drive recovery and your tax payments were on one of the bad spots?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been doing consulting and software development for around 30 years , and when I was young and dumb , thought I could fix anything .
Now I know better and have found that in this situation , the phrase " Wow , that 's too bad .
Where are your backups ?
" works nicely .
While there are all sorts of voodoo , data scraping bit-remunging apps available , at the point before you do anything you have no liability .
After you " recover " the data , you 're on the hook for everything forever .
All you need is for the customer to come back 2 years later and tell you they were sued into the dirt because something they were required to disclose was missing or incorrect and you 'll wish you never took the job .
And even if they do n't sue , there will be a never-ending stream of phone calls about broken documents , files they ca n't find and all sorts of other " un-tidyness " .
And even if they do n't call , there will be eternal uncertainty about the quality of the recovered data .
Are their financials correct ?
What was that number that had the letters nearby really supposed to be ?
My favorite drive recovery method is now BackupPC .
You set it up , configure it for an appropriate number of incremental backups each day and let it fly .
When a drive craps out , replace it , click the appropriate checkbox on the " Restore " page and press the " go " button .
No doubt , no lawsuits , no untidyness .
Do-it-yourself Data Recovery is great if you like to putter with things and have lots of time and no liability ( employees generally ca n't be sued by their employer ) however when actual money is at stake , it 's better to just send the drive out and let someone who is actually equipped and staffed to do the recovery handle the work .
To put things in a different perspective , how happy would you be if the county tried to sell your house for unpaid taxes because billy-bob " who 's really good with computers " did their drive recovery and your tax payments were on one of the bad spots ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been doing consulting and software development for around 30 years, and when I was young and dumb, thought I could fix anything.
Now I know better and have found that in this situation, the phrase "Wow, that's too bad.
Where are your backups?
" works nicely.
While there are all sorts of voodoo, data scraping bit-remunging apps available, at the point before you do anything you have no liability.
After you "recover" the data, you're on the hook for everything forever.
All you need is for the customer to come back 2 years later and tell you they were sued into the dirt because something they were required to disclose was missing or incorrect and you'll wish you never took the job.
And even if they don't sue, there will be a never-ending stream of phone calls about broken documents, files they can't find and all sorts of other "un-tidyness".
And even if they don't call, there will be eternal uncertainty about the quality of the recovered data.
Are their financials correct?
What was that number that had the letters nearby really supposed to be?
My favorite drive recovery method is now BackupPC.
You set it up, configure it for an appropriate number of incremental backups each day and let it fly.
When a drive craps out, replace it, click the appropriate checkbox on the "Restore" page and press the "go" button.
No doubt, no lawsuits, no untidyness.
Do-it-yourself Data Recovery is great if you like to putter with things and have lots of time and no liability (employees generally can't be sued by their employer) however when actual money is at stake, it's better to just send the drive out and let someone who is actually equipped and staffed to do the recovery handle the work.
To put things in a different perspective, how happy would you be if the county tried to sell your house for unpaid taxes because billy-bob "who's really good with computers" did their drive recovery and your tax payments were on one of the bad spots?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28206065</id>
	<title>Re:How to get past mechanical failures</title>
	<author>Magic5Ball</author>
	<datestamp>1244055300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Waterboarding FTW!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Waterboarding FTW !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Waterboarding FTW!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28183079</id>
	<title>Re:TestDisk</title>
	<author>Mysticalfruit</author>
	<datestamp>1243960320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've used testdisk more times than I can count.  I've also used photorec on numerous devices large and small.<br><br>Ironically, we haven't had much luck with the commercial stuff.<br><br>We've also got a silly python script that will run the "file" command on each file and sort them into the appropriate piles.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used testdisk more times than I can count .
I 've also used photorec on numerous devices large and small.Ironically , we have n't had much luck with the commercial stuff.We 've also got a silly python script that will run the " file " command on each file and sort them into the appropriate piles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used testdisk more times than I can count.
I've also used photorec on numerous devices large and small.Ironically, we haven't had much luck with the commercial stuff.We've also got a silly python script that will run the "file" command on each file and sort them into the appropriate piles.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28185777</id>
	<title>Two terms..</title>
	<author>EvilBudMan</author>
	<datestamp>1243971600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CHKDSK and RECOVER</p><p>Hell, it works most of the time on a widows box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CHKDSK and RECOVERHell , it works most of the time on a widows box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CHKDSK and RECOVERHell, it works most of the time on a widows box.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182917</id>
	<title>Re:I Like Knoppix with a Good BIOS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243959720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno about a lot of the geeks on here, but my personal pr0n collection is definitely the most prized in my drive family<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) IMO those once in a lifetime shots you get of your friends drunk at a party, showing off their boobs, so you can tease them for the rest of their lives.. Honestly, is worth backing up more than any work I spent a couple days on, that I personally could easily reproduce.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno about a lot of the geeks on here , but my personal pr0n collection is definitely the most prized in my drive family : ) IMO those once in a lifetime shots you get of your friends drunk at a party , showing off their boobs , so you can tease them for the rest of their lives.. Honestly , is worth backing up more than any work I spent a couple days on , that I personally could easily reproduce .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno about a lot of the geeks on here, but my personal pr0n collection is definitely the most prized in my drive family :) IMO those once in a lifetime shots you get of your friends drunk at a party, showing off their boobs, so you can tease them for the rest of their lives.. Honestly, is worth backing up more than any work I spent a couple days on, that I personally could easily reproduce.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28188611</id>
	<title>Do NOT (easily) use SpinRite!</title>
	<author>I)\_MaLaClYpSe\_(I</author>
	<datestamp>1243940340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can get a very good explanation of why not <a href="http://www.myharddrivedied.com/weblog/why\_spinrite\_is\_not\_on\_my\_d.html" title="myharddrivedied.com">here</a> [myharddrivedied.com].<p>
I am referring to a blog entry from <i>Scott A. Moulton</i> who is a forensic and data recovery expert and currently teaches the <a href="http://www.sans.org/training/description.php?mid=1237" title="sans.org">SANS 606: Drive and Data Recovery Forensics</a> [sans.org] course.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Spinrite is not data recovery software.

I get many questions about why I left off Spinrite on my recommendations of recovery software. I specifically leave off Spinrite because under the strictest terms it is not data recovery software. Almost every single data recovery package knows, and will warn you not to write the data back to the original source drive. Data Recovery/Forensics software almost always recover from a source to a destination. Spinrite does not do that, it refreshes the surface and controls reads to get the maximum amount of data from the sectors and then puts it back down on the same drive. </p><p>

I think it does quite a few things very well and it does an excellent job at reporting and reading the SMART info and refreshing the surface of the hard drive. However, I would like to first try to get the data from the drive before scanning it and trying to rebuild sectors. There are many reasons for this, but the most important one being that the drive can die in the process of running Spinrite.  It is possible to do more damage to the drive by doing excessive read and writes. There are times that you only get once good chance at data and if you use a tool that just goes in and surgically removes the data you want BEFORE doing the scan you will be a lot safer.</p><p>

If I was going to use Spinrite, I would get everything I could off the drive to another destination first and then use Spinrite to try to get anything I could not repair (although I never have to with the tools I use). Another horrific story I have seen with drives sent to me, is that if Spinrite it runs successfully, people are under the impression that the drive is repaired and is usable again and continue to use it. Big mistake and it usually dies again shortly. On a Windows Hard Drive I would try NTFSExplorer/FatExplorer first in the hopes of doing a surgical recovery as oppose to spending days rewriting sectors in the hopes that my drive can live though it as Spinrite does. But for $80 it is well worth the attempt if you are going to do nothing else. Good Luck.</p><p>

Oct 6, 2008 11:26 PM</p></div><p>Also, you can find some very interesting papers <a href="http://www.myharddrivedied.com/presentations/" title="myharddrivedied.com">here</a> [myharddrivedied.com].</p></div>
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<tokenext>You can get a very good explanation of why not here [ myharddrivedied.com ] .
I am referring to a blog entry from Scott A. Moulton who is a forensic and data recovery expert and currently teaches the SANS 606 : Drive and Data Recovery Forensics [ sans.org ] course.Spinrite is not data recovery software .
I get many questions about why I left off Spinrite on my recommendations of recovery software .
I specifically leave off Spinrite because under the strictest terms it is not data recovery software .
Almost every single data recovery package knows , and will warn you not to write the data back to the original source drive .
Data Recovery/Forensics software almost always recover from a source to a destination .
Spinrite does not do that , it refreshes the surface and controls reads to get the maximum amount of data from the sectors and then puts it back down on the same drive .
I think it does quite a few things very well and it does an excellent job at reporting and reading the SMART info and refreshing the surface of the hard drive .
However , I would like to first try to get the data from the drive before scanning it and trying to rebuild sectors .
There are many reasons for this , but the most important one being that the drive can die in the process of running Spinrite .
It is possible to do more damage to the drive by doing excessive read and writes .
There are times that you only get once good chance at data and if you use a tool that just goes in and surgically removes the data you want BEFORE doing the scan you will be a lot safer .
If I was going to use Spinrite , I would get everything I could off the drive to another destination first and then use Spinrite to try to get anything I could not repair ( although I never have to with the tools I use ) .
Another horrific story I have seen with drives sent to me , is that if Spinrite it runs successfully , people are under the impression that the drive is repaired and is usable again and continue to use it .
Big mistake and it usually dies again shortly .
On a Windows Hard Drive I would try NTFSExplorer/FatExplorer first in the hopes of doing a surgical recovery as oppose to spending days rewriting sectors in the hopes that my drive can live though it as Spinrite does .
But for $ 80 it is well worth the attempt if you are going to do nothing else .
Good Luck .
Oct 6 , 2008 11 : 26 PMAlso , you can find some very interesting papers here [ myharddrivedied.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can get a very good explanation of why not here [myharddrivedied.com].
I am referring to a blog entry from Scott A. Moulton who is a forensic and data recovery expert and currently teaches the SANS 606: Drive and Data Recovery Forensics [sans.org] course.Spinrite is not data recovery software.
I get many questions about why I left off Spinrite on my recommendations of recovery software.
I specifically leave off Spinrite because under the strictest terms it is not data recovery software.
Almost every single data recovery package knows, and will warn you not to write the data back to the original source drive.
Data Recovery/Forensics software almost always recover from a source to a destination.
Spinrite does not do that, it refreshes the surface and controls reads to get the maximum amount of data from the sectors and then puts it back down on the same drive.
I think it does quite a few things very well and it does an excellent job at reporting and reading the SMART info and refreshing the surface of the hard drive.
However, I would like to first try to get the data from the drive before scanning it and trying to rebuild sectors.
There are many reasons for this, but the most important one being that the drive can die in the process of running Spinrite.
It is possible to do more damage to the drive by doing excessive read and writes.
There are times that you only get once good chance at data and if you use a tool that just goes in and surgically removes the data you want BEFORE doing the scan you will be a lot safer.
If I was going to use Spinrite, I would get everything I could off the drive to another destination first and then use Spinrite to try to get anything I could not repair (although I never have to with the tools I use).
Another horrific story I have seen with drives sent to me, is that if Spinrite it runs successfully, people are under the impression that the drive is repaired and is usable again and continue to use it.
Big mistake and it usually dies again shortly.
On a Windows Hard Drive I would try NTFSExplorer/FatExplorer first in the hopes of doing a surgical recovery as oppose to spending days rewriting sectors in the hopes that my drive can live though it as Spinrite does.
But for $80 it is well worth the attempt if you are going to do nothing else.
Good Luck.
Oct 6, 2008 11:26 PMAlso, you can find some very interesting papers here [myharddrivedied.com].
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182103</id>
	<title>Pros restore from backup.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243957080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See subject line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See subject line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See subject line.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28197579</id>
	<title>Re:One time I used Me</title>
	<author>TheSpoom</author>
	<datestamp>1244051340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>William Shatner, is that you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>William Shatner , is that you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>William Shatner, is that you?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182335</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1332222.28182161</id>
	<title>Re:GetDataBack</title>
	<author>ramblix2006</author>
	<datestamp>1243957200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I completely agree. I have tried many different recovery softwares and I always end up going back to GetDataBack.

--Shareef Huddle</htmltext>
<tokenext>I completely agree .
I have tried many different recovery softwares and I always end up going back to GetDataBack .
--Shareef Huddle</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I completely agree.
I have tried many different recovery softwares and I always end up going back to GetDataBack.
--Shareef Huddle</sentencetext>
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