<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_05_28_2313230</id>
	<title>Homeland Security To Scan Citizens Exiting US</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1243510020000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"The US Department of Homeland Security is set to kickstart <a href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/104310,homeland-security-to-scan-fingerprints-of-travellers-exiting-the-us.aspx"> a controversial new pilot to scan the fingerprints of travellers departing the United States</a>. From June, US Customs and Border Patrol will take a fingerprint scan of travellers exiting the United States from Detroit, while the US Transport Security Administration will take fingerprint scans of international travellers exiting the United States from Atlanta. The controversial plan to scan outgoing passengers &mdash; including US citizens &mdash; was allegedly hatched under the Bush Administration. An official has said it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal immigrants."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " The US Department of Homeland Security is set to kickstart a controversial new pilot to scan the fingerprints of travellers departing the United States .
From June , US Customs and Border Patrol will take a fingerprint scan of travellers exiting the United States from Detroit , while the US Transport Security Administration will take fingerprint scans of international travellers exiting the United States from Atlanta .
The controversial plan to scan outgoing passengers    including US citizens    was allegedly hatched under the Bush Administration .
An official has said it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal immigrants .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "The US Department of Homeland Security is set to kickstart  a controversial new pilot to scan the fingerprints of travellers departing the United States.
From June, US Customs and Border Patrol will take a fingerprint scan of travellers exiting the United States from Detroit, while the US Transport Security Administration will take fingerprint scans of international travellers exiting the United States from Atlanta.
The controversial plan to scan outgoing passengers — including US citizens — was allegedly hatched under the Bush Administration.
An official has said it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal immigrants.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28147015</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>zuperduperman</author>
	<datestamp>1243616940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I actually always wondered about this.  One could easily:</p><p>a) travel into the country on temporary visa<br>b) give passport to American citizen who looks enough like you to pass and exits on your documents<br>c) American citizen comes back in after a nice holiday on their own passport</p><p>At worst immigration might be suspicious because the American citizen is not shown as exiting the country, but they really have no choice but to allow them back in, and the net result is that you have imported one person permanently into the country and immigration have no idea who it is, if they can tell it happened at all.</p><p>While I completely disagree with the fingerprinting, I suspect this might be a legitimate problem that they are trying to figure out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually always wondered about this .
One could easily : a ) travel into the country on temporary visab ) give passport to American citizen who looks enough like you to pass and exits on your documentsc ) American citizen comes back in after a nice holiday on their own passportAt worst immigration might be suspicious because the American citizen is not shown as exiting the country , but they really have no choice but to allow them back in , and the net result is that you have imported one person permanently into the country and immigration have no idea who it is , if they can tell it happened at all.While I completely disagree with the fingerprinting , I suspect this might be a legitimate problem that they are trying to figure out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually always wondered about this.
One could easily:a) travel into the country on temporary visab) give passport to American citizen who looks enough like you to pass and exits on your documentsc) American citizen comes back in after a nice holiday on their own passportAt worst immigration might be suspicious because the American citizen is not shown as exiting the country, but they really have no choice but to allow them back in, and the net result is that you have imported one person permanently into the country and immigration have no idea who it is, if they can tell it happened at all.While I completely disagree with the fingerprinting, I suspect this might be a legitimate problem that they are trying to figure out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132079</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28141291</id>
	<title>Re:What if you refuse?</title>
	<author>srvivn21</author>
	<datestamp>1243624080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When you come in to the US, they tell you that you don't have to comply with the checks, but that if you don't you can't enter. So what if you refuse to comply with that one? You can't leave?</p></div><p>That's certainly the most likely possibility.</p><p>On the other hand, perhaps you won't be allowed to return...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When you come in to the US , they tell you that you do n't have to comply with the checks , but that if you do n't you ca n't enter .
So what if you refuse to comply with that one ?
You ca n't leave ? That 's certainly the most likely possibility.On the other hand , perhaps you wo n't be allowed to return.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you come in to the US, they tell you that you don't have to comply with the checks, but that if you don't you can't enter.
So what if you refuse to comply with that one?
You can't leave?That's certainly the most likely possibility.On the other hand, perhaps you won't be allowed to return...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132277</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133385</id>
	<title>Detroit and Atlanta</title>
	<author>oldspewey</author>
	<datestamp>1243521060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Detroit and Atlanta are both Delta hubs. So you can avoid this "pilot" by choosing a different airline to leave the US<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... at least until the "pilot" expands.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Detroit and Atlanta are both Delta hubs .
So you can avoid this " pilot " by choosing a different airline to leave the US ... at least until the " pilot " expands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Detroit and Atlanta are both Delta hubs.
So you can avoid this "pilot" by choosing a different airline to leave the US ... at least until the "pilot" expands.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132833</id>
	<title>Re:i totally agree with your sentiment</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1243517760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chabo is precisely right.  Generally when your country starts making it hard to leave it's time to get out.  Quick.  North Korea, China (to some extent).  Let me add examples from the past: the Soviet Union, East Germany, Idi Amin's Uganda.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chabo is precisely right .
Generally when your country starts making it hard to leave it 's time to get out .
Quick. North Korea , China ( to some extent ) .
Let me add examples from the past : the Soviet Union , East Germany , Idi Amin 's Uganda .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chabo is precisely right.
Generally when your country starts making it hard to leave it's time to get out.
Quick.  North Korea, China (to some extent).
Let me add examples from the past: the Soviet Union, East Germany, Idi Amin's Uganda.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132271</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132015</id>
	<title>What?!??!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243513680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has got to be a joke.  BTW -- first!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has got to be a joke .
BTW -- first ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has got to be a joke.
BTW -- first!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135013</id>
	<title>This is serious</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243534500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's time for me to put sarcasm aside and get serious here. Although I love to bitch about eroding civil liberties in the USA, we still have the basic freedoms that many other countries don't have: no national ID card, freedom of internal movement at will, and the freedom to leave the country at will. No internal passports here.</p><p>Take a look at the mess our Customs has made out of entering the USA. They steal laptop computers from people entering the country. A Canadian has been permanently banned from the USA because one Customs agent Googled him and found his online confession about past illicit drug use.</p><p>We take for granted, however, our right to leave at will. Think of it as the ultimate foot voting: if you don't like the country, you're free to leave, and it's your job to find a country willing to take you in. Unlike North Korea, you're not stuck here.</p><p>This fingerprinting thing is an extremely scary precedent. We all know about the no-fly list. What's next? A no-leave list?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's time for me to put sarcasm aside and get serious here .
Although I love to bitch about eroding civil liberties in the USA , we still have the basic freedoms that many other countries do n't have : no national ID card , freedom of internal movement at will , and the freedom to leave the country at will .
No internal passports here.Take a look at the mess our Customs has made out of entering the USA .
They steal laptop computers from people entering the country .
A Canadian has been permanently banned from the USA because one Customs agent Googled him and found his online confession about past illicit drug use.We take for granted , however , our right to leave at will .
Think of it as the ultimate foot voting : if you do n't like the country , you 're free to leave , and it 's your job to find a country willing to take you in .
Unlike North Korea , you 're not stuck here.This fingerprinting thing is an extremely scary precedent .
We all know about the no-fly list .
What 's next ?
A no-leave list ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's time for me to put sarcasm aside and get serious here.
Although I love to bitch about eroding civil liberties in the USA, we still have the basic freedoms that many other countries don't have: no national ID card, freedom of internal movement at will, and the freedom to leave the country at will.
No internal passports here.Take a look at the mess our Customs has made out of entering the USA.
They steal laptop computers from people entering the country.
A Canadian has been permanently banned from the USA because one Customs agent Googled him and found his online confession about past illicit drug use.We take for granted, however, our right to leave at will.
Think of it as the ultimate foot voting: if you don't like the country, you're free to leave, and it's your job to find a country willing to take you in.
Unlike North Korea, you're not stuck here.This fingerprinting thing is an extremely scary precedent.
We all know about the no-fly list.
What's next?
A no-leave list?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132777</id>
	<title>Re:What if you refuse?</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1243517520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm assuming you mean for aliens and immigrants. The US can't refuse you entry if you're a US citizen unless they revoke your citizenship (at which point you're no longer a citizen). The only way I know of (off the top of my head) for the state to forcibly remove your citizen status is to convict you of a Felony, otherwise you'd have to willingly surrender it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm assuming you mean for aliens and immigrants .
The US ca n't refuse you entry if you 're a US citizen unless they revoke your citizenship ( at which point you 're no longer a citizen ) .
The only way I know of ( off the top of my head ) for the state to forcibly remove your citizen status is to convict you of a Felony , otherwise you 'd have to willingly surrender it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm assuming you mean for aliens and immigrants.
The US can't refuse you entry if you're a US citizen unless they revoke your citizenship (at which point you're no longer a citizen).
The only way I know of (off the top of my head) for the state to forcibly remove your citizen status is to convict you of a Felony, otherwise you'd have to willingly surrender it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132613</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132251</id>
	<title>To be fair...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243514940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are scanning them just to make sure they aren't shoplifting upon exiting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are scanning them just to make sure they are n't shoplifting upon exiting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are scanning them just to make sure they aren't shoplifting upon exiting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132627</id>
	<title>Alright!</title>
	<author>unreadepitaph</author>
	<datestamp>1243516740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Step 1: Fringerprint people leaving country<br>
Step 2: ???????<br>
Step 3: Profit<br> <br>

Maybe just don't fly from those airports? Either way it just makes it more off putting for backpackers to go to the states.<br> <br>Tourism Fail?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Step 1 : Fringerprint people leaving country Step 2 : ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Step 3 : Profit Maybe just do n't fly from those airports ?
Either way it just makes it more off putting for backpackers to go to the states .
Tourism Fail ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Step 1: Fringerprint people leaving country
Step 2: ???????
Step 3: Profit 

Maybe just don't fly from those airports?
Either way it just makes it more off putting for backpackers to go to the states.
Tourism Fail?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133655</id>
	<title>I love a good flame war fueled by paranoia, but...</title>
	<author>curmudgeous</author>
	<datestamp>1243523160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like most of the people posting here, I had the immediate knee-jerk reaction to this story of "OMFG, they is intruding on mine privacy!"  However, after thinking about it for a few minutes, I realized this could be nothing more than an attempt to insure the person who comes back from overseas is the same person who left.  I can think of many situations where a valid US passport might be useful to someone wanting to enter this country covertly, and I'm sure there is a thriving black market in such documents.  This could be nothing more than an extra layer of verification.

Go ahead, let the flaming begin.  I'm wearing my Nomex moisturizer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like most of the people posting here , I had the immediate knee-jerk reaction to this story of " OMFG , they is intruding on mine privacy !
" However , after thinking about it for a few minutes , I realized this could be nothing more than an attempt to insure the person who comes back from overseas is the same person who left .
I can think of many situations where a valid US passport might be useful to someone wanting to enter this country covertly , and I 'm sure there is a thriving black market in such documents .
This could be nothing more than an extra layer of verification .
Go ahead , let the flaming begin .
I 'm wearing my Nomex moisturizer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like most of the people posting here, I had the immediate knee-jerk reaction to this story of "OMFG, they is intruding on mine privacy!
"  However, after thinking about it for a few minutes, I realized this could be nothing more than an attempt to insure the person who comes back from overseas is the same person who left.
I can think of many situations where a valid US passport might be useful to someone wanting to enter this country covertly, and I'm sure there is a thriving black market in such documents.
This could be nothing more than an extra layer of verification.
Go ahead, let the flaming begin.
I'm wearing my Nomex moisturizer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133665</id>
	<title>Re:Won't work</title>
	<author>MightyYar</author>
	<datestamp>1243523220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>None of the illegal immigrants I've ever met have arrived by airplane.</p></div><p>We must have a different circle of friends... most of the illegal immigrants that I know flew in on a student or tourist visa and then over-stayed it. Then, when they finally get their paperwork in order, they fly back home for a little while and fly back in to the US legally.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>None of the illegal immigrants I 've ever met have arrived by airplane.We must have a different circle of friends... most of the illegal immigrants that I know flew in on a student or tourist visa and then over-stayed it .
Then , when they finally get their paperwork in order , they fly back home for a little while and fly back in to the US legally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of the illegal immigrants I've ever met have arrived by airplane.We must have a different circle of friends... most of the illegal immigrants that I know flew in on a student or tourist visa and then over-stayed it.
Then, when they finally get their paperwork in order, they fly back home for a little while and fly back in to the US legally.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132099</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132867</id>
	<title>Hah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243518000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The controversial plan to scan outgoing passengers -- including US citizens -- was allegedly hatched under the Bush Administration. An official has said it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal immigrants.</i></p><p>Yea, but who has had control of Congress + the White House for the past 4+ months.  Can't blame it all on Bush when the current administration can prevent it.  Oh, I'm sorry, everything is still Bush's fault.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The controversial plan to scan outgoing passengers -- including US citizens -- was allegedly hatched under the Bush Administration .
An official has said it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal immigrants.Yea , but who has had control of Congress + the White House for the past 4 + months .
Ca n't blame it all on Bush when the current administration can prevent it .
Oh , I 'm sorry , everything is still Bush 's fault .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The controversial plan to scan outgoing passengers -- including US citizens -- was allegedly hatched under the Bush Administration.
An official has said it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal immigrants.Yea, but who has had control of Congress + the White House for the past 4+ months.
Can't blame it all on Bush when the current administration can prevent it.
Oh, I'm sorry, everything is still Bush's fault.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132727</id>
	<title>Re:i totally agree with your sentiment</title>
	<author>MaskedSlacker</author>
	<datestamp>1243517280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rolled a 1 on your reading comprehension.</p><p>You are convinced that the dragon is vulnerable to fire.</p><p>You cast fireball.</p><p>Dragon laughs in your face.</p><p>Dragon eats you.</p><p>You are dead.</p><p>You should have tried the Hooked on Phonics feat.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/DMmode</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rolled a 1 on your reading comprehension.You are convinced that the dragon is vulnerable to fire.You cast fireball.Dragon laughs in your face.Dragon eats you.You are dead.You should have tried the Hooked on Phonics feat .
/DMmode</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rolled a 1 on your reading comprehension.You are convinced that the dragon is vulnerable to fire.You cast fireball.Dragon laughs in your face.Dragon eats you.You are dead.You should have tried the Hooked on Phonics feat.
/DMmode</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132271</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132943</id>
	<title>Ah yes</title>
	<author>xednieht</author>
	<datestamp>1243518360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Department of Homeland Stupidity at it's finest. Why not just tattoo and incinerate them to make sure they don't come back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Department of Homeland Stupidity at it 's finest .
Why not just tattoo and incinerate them to make sure they do n't come back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Department of Homeland Stupidity at it's finest.
Why not just tattoo and incinerate them to make sure they don't come back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28136677</id>
	<title>What about the rest of the world...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243598400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently went through LA from London to New Zealand. We were pulled out of the place, herded through security where we had all fingerprints taken along with a photo of our face. Then shoved back into a waiting room (no shops) for 1.5 hours while we waited for the plane to be ready.</p><p>Keep in mind that we were just passing through (we didn't even change planes, it was the same flight), we weren't entering OR leaving the country!</p><p>At least US citizens can protest about this, I never got the choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently went through LA from London to New Zealand .
We were pulled out of the place , herded through security where we had all fingerprints taken along with a photo of our face .
Then shoved back into a waiting room ( no shops ) for 1.5 hours while we waited for the plane to be ready.Keep in mind that we were just passing through ( we did n't even change planes , it was the same flight ) , we were n't entering OR leaving the country ! At least US citizens can protest about this , I never got the choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently went through LA from London to New Zealand.
We were pulled out of the place, herded through security where we had all fingerprints taken along with a photo of our face.
Then shoved back into a waiting room (no shops) for 1.5 hours while we waited for the plane to be ready.Keep in mind that we were just passing through (we didn't even change planes, it was the same flight), we weren't entering OR leaving the country!At least US citizens can protest about this, I never got the choice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132465</id>
	<title>Can't wait for the first 'catch'</title>
	<author>superdave80</author>
	<datestamp>1243515960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Brave Homeland Security Officer:  Place your thumb here.<br>Traveler: Ok.<br>*Presses thumb to scanner*<br>Brave Homeland Security Officer:  Ah-ha!  This says that you are in this country illegally!  I've got you now!<br>Traveler/Illegal immigrant:  Sooooo... since I'm not allowed to be in this country, do you want me to get on my plane and leave, or what?<br>Brave Homeland Security Officer:  Yes!  And, um, never come back!  That'll teach you!<br>Traveler/Illegal immigrant:  Yes, this punishment of being delayed from my flight for 30 seconds has surely made me so uncomfortable that I won't ever sneak back into this country.  You win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Brave Homeland Security Officer : Place your thumb here.Traveler : Ok. * Presses thumb to scanner * Brave Homeland Security Officer : Ah-ha !
This says that you are in this country illegally !
I 've got you now ! Traveler/Illegal immigrant : Sooooo... since I 'm not allowed to be in this country , do you want me to get on my plane and leave , or what ? Brave Homeland Security Officer : Yes !
And , um , never come back !
That 'll teach you ! Traveler/Illegal immigrant : Yes , this punishment of being delayed from my flight for 30 seconds has surely made me so uncomfortable that I wo n't ever sneak back into this country .
You win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brave Homeland Security Officer:  Place your thumb here.Traveler: Ok.*Presses thumb to scanner*Brave Homeland Security Officer:  Ah-ha!
This says that you are in this country illegally!
I've got you now!Traveler/Illegal immigrant:  Sooooo... since I'm not allowed to be in this country, do you want me to get on my plane and leave, or what?Brave Homeland Security Officer:  Yes!
And, um, never come back!
That'll teach you!Traveler/Illegal immigrant:  Yes, this punishment of being delayed from my flight for 30 seconds has surely made me so uncomfortable that I won't ever sneak back into this country.
You win.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132713</id>
	<title>Figured it out!</title>
	<author>WildStreet</author>
	<datestamp>1243517220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently our elected officials don't use the internet, listen to the news, or GASP, even know how to read. Certainly these continued moves towards a police state can't be tolerated by our democratic overlords. Obama and his cabinet won't allow this to happen will they?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently our elected officials do n't use the internet , listen to the news , or GASP , even know how to read .
Certainly these continued moves towards a police state ca n't be tolerated by our democratic overlords .
Obama and his cabinet wo n't allow this to happen will they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently our elected officials don't use the internet, listen to the news, or GASP, even know how to read.
Certainly these continued moves towards a police state can't be tolerated by our democratic overlords.
Obama and his cabinet won't allow this to happen will they?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132361</id>
	<title>maybe those who are complaining can explain:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243515480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Why do you hate America?"(TM)  so much that you want to leave?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Why do you hate America ?
" ( TM ) so much that you want to leave ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Why do you hate America?
"(TM)  so much that you want to leave?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133571</id>
	<title>They won't get my fingerprints...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243522500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would feel deeply violated to have my finger prints on record by any government, and will not under any circumstances cross a border at a location that implements such a policy as long as other entrances exist without it.  If that means flying out of my way, so be it...but this is a ridiculous invasion of privacy in my book.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would feel deeply violated to have my finger prints on record by any government , and will not under any circumstances cross a border at a location that implements such a policy as long as other entrances exist without it .
If that means flying out of my way , so be it...but this is a ridiculous invasion of privacy in my book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would feel deeply violated to have my finger prints on record by any government, and will not under any circumstances cross a border at a location that implements such a policy as long as other entrances exist without it.
If that means flying out of my way, so be it...but this is a ridiculous invasion of privacy in my book.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133205</id>
	<title>Re:totalitarianism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243519740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>it keeps creeping in, step by step, for as long as enough of us remain silent.</p></div></blockquote><p>Or for as long as people just post pithy soundbites about it online.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it keeps creeping in , step by step , for as long as enough of us remain silent.Or for as long as people just post pithy soundbites about it online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it keeps creeping in, step by step, for as long as enough of us remain silent.Or for as long as people just post pithy soundbites about it online.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132067</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132059</id>
	<title>Sounds RACIST - instead only check</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243513860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only check those with towels on the head.  That's who we need to crack skulls on, them towle heads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only check those with towels on the head .
That 's who we need to crack skulls on , them towle heads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only check those with towels on the head.
That's who we need to crack skulls on, them towle heads.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132281</id>
	<title>Re:Barriers to leaving a country</title>
	<author>netruner</author>
	<datestamp>1243515060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What do you do with people who refuse to cooperate?  My assumption must be that they are not allowed to leave.  This is not compatible with the American idea of freedom.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you do with people who refuse to cooperate ?
My assumption must be that they are not allowed to leave .
This is not compatible with the American idea of freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you do with people who refuse to cooperate?
My assumption must be that they are not allowed to leave.
This is not compatible with the American idea of freedom.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134921</id>
	<title>Re:Your Papers, Please</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1243533600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One begins to wonder what our own Iron Curtain or Berlin Wall will look like...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One begins to wonder what our own Iron Curtain or Berlin Wall will look like.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One begins to wonder what our own Iron Curtain or Berlin Wall will look like...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132483</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134051</id>
	<title>Re:Won't work</title>
	<author>bryan1945</author>
	<datestamp>1243525980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"None of the illegal immigrants I've ever met have arrived by airplane."</p><p>Well I'll go one further- no illegal immigrants I've met have ever arrived by leaving on an airplane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" None of the illegal immigrants I 've ever met have arrived by airplane .
" Well I 'll go one further- no illegal immigrants I 've met have ever arrived by leaving on an airplane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"None of the illegal immigrants I've ever met have arrived by airplane.
"Well I'll go one further- no illegal immigrants I've met have ever arrived by leaving on an airplane.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132099</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28141283</id>
	<title>Dumb</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243624080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is dumb... illegal aliens DO NOT travel abroad... duh!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is dumb... illegal aliens DO NOT travel abroad... duh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is dumb... illegal aliens DO NOT travel abroad... duh!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28143911</id>
	<title>Re:maybe those who are complaining can explain:</title>
	<author>Nethead</author>
	<datestamp>1243591800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To get to my off-shore bank account.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To get to my off-shore bank account .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To get to my off-shore bank account.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132361</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133225</id>
	<title>Re:Barriers to leaving a country</title>
	<author>ashitaka</author>
	<datestamp>1243519860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really?  Once the administration of foreign residents is passed to the Japanese government from the prefectures I might see that happening. Under the current rules the immigration officials at the airport are not required to see anything other than your passport.</p><p>I find it unlikely they would detain you for not having your gaikokujin torokusho on your way out of the country unless you didn't have a re-entry permit in which case you are supposed to surrender it to them.</p><p>I have never, in 23 years of going in and out of Japan, been asked for my gaijin card at the airport. Being a permanent resident (eijuusha) does help.</p><p>What is your status?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
Once the administration of foreign residents is passed to the Japanese government from the prefectures I might see that happening .
Under the current rules the immigration officials at the airport are not required to see anything other than your passport.I find it unlikely they would detain you for not having your gaikokujin torokusho on your way out of the country unless you did n't have a re-entry permit in which case you are supposed to surrender it to them.I have never , in 23 years of going in and out of Japan , been asked for my gaijin card at the airport .
Being a permanent resident ( eijuusha ) does help.What is your status ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
Once the administration of foreign residents is passed to the Japanese government from the prefectures I might see that happening.
Under the current rules the immigration officials at the airport are not required to see anything other than your passport.I find it unlikely they would detain you for not having your gaikokujin torokusho on your way out of the country unless you didn't have a re-entry permit in which case you are supposed to surrender it to them.I have never, in 23 years of going in and out of Japan, been asked for my gaijin card at the airport.
Being a permanent resident (eijuusha) does help.What is your status?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132335</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132335</id>
	<title>Re:Barriers to leaving a country</title>
	<author>spooje</author>
	<datestamp>1243515360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually Japan does this all the time.  If you're trying to leave and they found out you over stayed your visa they'll arrest, try and imprison you for the maximum amount of time <i>then</i> deport you.

I had trouble leaving once because a government agency kept my foreigner card.  I had to wait in custody about an hour, making the plane late before they decided to let me go.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually Japan does this all the time .
If you 're trying to leave and they found out you over stayed your visa they 'll arrest , try and imprison you for the maximum amount of time then deport you .
I had trouble leaving once because a government agency kept my foreigner card .
I had to wait in custody about an hour , making the plane late before they decided to let me go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually Japan does this all the time.
If you're trying to leave and they found out you over stayed your visa they'll arrest, try and imprison you for the maximum amount of time then deport you.
I had trouble leaving once because a government agency kept my foreigner card.
I had to wait in custody about an hour, making the plane late before they decided to let me go.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28137673</id>
	<title>Re:totalitarianism, as per the USSR</title>
	<author>davecb</author>
	<datestamp>1243606620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well citizen, let's see... I see here you're a member of the National Guard on callup. I'm afraid you can't leave the country without an exit visa signed by the Secretary of the Army. Please return to your base for a free trip to a different foreign country.

</p><p>--dave</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well citizen , let 's see... I see here you 're a member of the National Guard on callup .
I 'm afraid you ca n't leave the country without an exit visa signed by the Secretary of the Army .
Please return to your base for a free trip to a different foreign country .
--dave</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well citizen, let's see... I see here you're a member of the National Guard on callup.
I'm afraid you can't leave the country without an exit visa signed by the Secretary of the Army.
Please return to your base for a free trip to a different foreign country.
--dave</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132067</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132345</id>
	<title>Already existed?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243515360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't they already do this for quite some time? There was a pilot program particularly in Chicago (and some other places) where upon exiting US you needed to head to a special kiosk (US-VISIT was the name, I believe) and scan your passport/visa and fingers.<br>Though that older system seems to have been discontinued on May 6th 2007, according to http://www.immihelp.com/visas/usvisit.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't they already do this for quite some time ?
There was a pilot program particularly in Chicago ( and some other places ) where upon exiting US you needed to head to a special kiosk ( US-VISIT was the name , I believe ) and scan your passport/visa and fingers.Though that older system seems to have been discontinued on May 6th 2007 , according to http : //www.immihelp.com/visas/usvisit.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't they already do this for quite some time?
There was a pilot program particularly in Chicago (and some other places) where upon exiting US you needed to head to a special kiosk (US-VISIT was the name, I believe) and scan your passport/visa and fingers.Though that older system seems to have been discontinued on May 6th 2007, according to http://www.immihelp.com/visas/usvisit.html</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28139679</id>
	<title>Re:Ya this is kinda scary</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1243616160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who are they to tell me I can't go to my country?</p></div><p>The guys with the guns? Governments are in the business of violence or did you think that they maintained sovereign power by being nice?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who are they to tell me I ca n't go to my country ? The guys with the guns ?
Governments are in the business of violence or did you think that they maintained sovereign power by being nice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who are they to tell me I can't go to my country?The guys with the guns?
Governments are in the business of violence or did you think that they maintained sovereign power by being nice?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132383</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133827</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>kklein</author>
	<datestamp>1243524600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you. I had a couple friends (a couple) who were going up to Canada to camp (from Colorado--long trip). The guy is white, the girl, Latina.

</p><p>They were detained for half a day, subjected to lots of separate questioning... It turns out that for some reason these yahoos got it in their head that the guy had picked up an underage prostitute in Mexico and was fleeing to Canada.  The girl was--and looked--27.

</p><p>After every conceivable search and interrogation, they finally said "You're free to enter Canada," to which the guy said, "You know what? Fuck Canada," and they turned around and went back home.

</p><p>So that's N=2 now, but I suspect there are a lot more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you .
I had a couple friends ( a couple ) who were going up to Canada to camp ( from Colorado--long trip ) .
The guy is white , the girl , Latina .
They were detained for half a day , subjected to lots of separate questioning... It turns out that for some reason these yahoos got it in their head that the guy had picked up an underage prostitute in Mexico and was fleeing to Canada .
The girl was--and looked--27 .
After every conceivable search and interrogation , they finally said " You 're free to enter Canada , " to which the guy said , " You know what ?
Fuck Canada , " and they turned around and went back home .
So that 's N = 2 now , but I suspect there are a lot more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you.
I had a couple friends (a couple) who were going up to Canada to camp (from Colorado--long trip).
The guy is white, the girl, Latina.
They were detained for half a day, subjected to lots of separate questioning... It turns out that for some reason these yahoos got it in their head that the guy had picked up an underage prostitute in Mexico and was fleeing to Canada.
The girl was--and looked--27.
After every conceivable search and interrogation, they finally said "You're free to enter Canada," to which the guy said, "You know what?
Fuck Canada," and they turned around and went back home.
So that's N=2 now, but I suspect there are a lot more.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132947</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28138195</id>
	<title>A wise man once said...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243609080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The only thing we have to fear is... fear itself!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The only thing we have to fear is... fear itself !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The only thing we have to fear is... fear itself!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133839</id>
	<title>Homeland Security To Scan Citizens Exiting US</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243524720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Next time I leave the US I won't be coming back..so they can scan whatever they like. I've just about had enough of the American police state and will be leaving the country for good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Next time I leave the US I wo n't be coming back..so they can scan whatever they like .
I 've just about had enough of the American police state and will be leaving the country for good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next time I leave the US I won't be coming back..so they can scan whatever they like.
I've just about had enough of the American police state and will be leaving the country for good.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28138243</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>intheshelter</author>
	<datestamp>1243609140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is the post cowardly?  I'm an American and I would say the post was completely accurate.  We've become the new East Germany.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is the post cowardly ?
I 'm an American and I would say the post was completely accurate .
We 've become the new East Germany .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is the post cowardly?
I'm an American and I would say the post was completely accurate.
We've become the new East Germany.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132947</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135429</id>
	<title>burning off prints?</title>
	<author>Deanalator</author>
	<datestamp>1243539480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This brings up an interesting point, does anyone know any good ways to burn your fingerprints off?  From the sources I can see on google, physical burning (with an iron etc) fails, and they grow back pretty fast, but more chemical methods, like lye or alcohol etc are pretty effective at permanently removing, or at least obscuring your prints.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This brings up an interesting point , does anyone know any good ways to burn your fingerprints off ?
From the sources I can see on google , physical burning ( with an iron etc ) fails , and they grow back pretty fast , but more chemical methods , like lye or alcohol etc are pretty effective at permanently removing , or at least obscuring your prints .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This brings up an interesting point, does anyone know any good ways to burn your fingerprints off?
From the sources I can see on google, physical burning (with an iron etc) fails, and they grow back pretty fast, but more chemical methods, like lye or alcohol etc are pretty effective at permanently removing, or at least obscuring your prints.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132099</id>
	<title>Won't work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243514100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>None of the illegal immigrants I've ever met have arrived by airplane.</p><p>This leaves two options: either these guys are really stupid, or the real goal is different from the stated goal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>None of the illegal immigrants I 've ever met have arrived by airplane.This leaves two options : either these guys are really stupid , or the real goal is different from the stated goal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of the illegal immigrants I've ever met have arrived by airplane.This leaves two options: either these guys are really stupid, or the real goal is different from the stated goal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28142817</id>
	<title>Re:burning off prints?</title>
	<author>SwedishChef</author>
	<datestamp>1243630140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Once you burn off your distinctive fingerprints you leave a finger with either no prints or (more likely) several distinctive scars. Since only a tiny number of people have actually done this you would become even more distinctive than you are now. In addition, they'd start to wonder just exactly why you went to so much trouble to hide your identity. I'm pretty sure that the bureaucratic mind would think up all sorts of possible reasons and investigate every single one of them thoroughly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once you burn off your distinctive fingerprints you leave a finger with either no prints or ( more likely ) several distinctive scars .
Since only a tiny number of people have actually done this you would become even more distinctive than you are now .
In addition , they 'd start to wonder just exactly why you went to so much trouble to hide your identity .
I 'm pretty sure that the bureaucratic mind would think up all sorts of possible reasons and investigate every single one of them thoroughly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once you burn off your distinctive fingerprints you leave a finger with either no prints or (more likely) several distinctive scars.
Since only a tiny number of people have actually done this you would become even more distinctive than you are now.
In addition, they'd start to wonder just exactly why you went to so much trouble to hide your identity.
I'm pretty sure that the bureaucratic mind would think up all sorts of possible reasons and investigate every single one of them thoroughly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135429</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135515</id>
	<title>Correction:  Only for NON-US citizens</title>
	<author>tfischer</author>
	<datestamp>1243540560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The summary description on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./ is wrong.  If one does RFA all the way to the end, one will see the following:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens. This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record.</p></div><p>As a US citizen living in France, and often travelling through Detroit and Atlanta to get to/from Chicago, I'm relieved that I won't be delayed by this hassle.  As a human being, I don't agree with the idea of requiring visiters to submit their fingerprints to the the US government - I feel it is infringing on one's human rights and/or privacy, and feel ashamed when I see fellow travellers submitting to this procedure upon entry into the US - but it's too early in the morning for me to formulate a clear and logical argument against the requirement...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary description on ./ is wrong .
If one does RFA all the way to the end , one will see the following : Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens .
This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record.As a US citizen living in France , and often travelling through Detroit and Atlanta to get to/from Chicago , I 'm relieved that I wo n't be delayed by this hassle .
As a human being , I do n't agree with the idea of requiring visiters to submit their fingerprints to the the US government - I feel it is infringing on one 's human rights and/or privacy , and feel ashamed when I see fellow travellers submitting to this procedure upon entry into the US - but it 's too early in the morning for me to formulate a clear and logical argument against the requirement.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary description on ./ is wrong.
If one does RFA all the way to the end, one will see the following:Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens.
This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record.As a US citizen living in France, and often travelling through Detroit and Atlanta to get to/from Chicago, I'm relieved that I won't be delayed by this hassle.
As a human being, I don't agree with the idea of requiring visiters to submit their fingerprints to the the US government - I feel it is infringing on one's human rights and/or privacy, and feel ashamed when I see fellow travellers submitting to this procedure upon entry into the US - but it's too early in the morning for me to formulate a clear and logical argument against the requirement...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135797</id>
	<title>Re:burning off prints?</title>
	<author>Ihlosi</author>
	<datestamp>1243630080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>but more chemical methods,</i> <p>

Pineapple juice. In fact, there's already been a "missing fingerprints at immigration" case that was due to the traveller handling lots of raw, peeled pineapple at work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but more chemical methods , Pineapple juice .
In fact , there 's already been a " missing fingerprints at immigration " case that was due to the traveller handling lots of raw , peeled pineapple at work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but more chemical methods, 

Pineapple juice.
In fact, there's already been a "missing fingerprints at immigration" case that was due to the traveller handling lots of raw, peeled pineapple at work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135429</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28143799</id>
	<title>Re:Your Papers, Please</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243591320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Nobody expects the Spa... the real dictatorships. They aren't created all at once out of the blue, and they're seldom openly announced as such.</p></div><p>The USA might very well become the first dictatorless dictatorship. Fuck yeah, innovation capital at work!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody expects the Spa... the real dictatorships .
They are n't created all at once out of the blue , and they 're seldom openly announced as such.The USA might very well become the first dictatorless dictatorship .
Fuck yeah , innovation capital at work !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody expects the Spa... the real dictatorships.
They aren't created all at once out of the blue, and they're seldom openly announced as such.The USA might very well become the first dictatorless dictatorship.
Fuck yeah, innovation capital at work!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132483</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132639</id>
	<title>Exit Tax</title>
	<author>copponex</author>
	<datestamp>1243516800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=97245,00.html" title="irs.gov">http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=97245,00.html</a> [irs.gov]</p><p>To leave the country, you have to pay taxes for all of your assets, and renounce your US citizenship if you'd like to stop paying the IRS.</p><p>I'm actually in favor of regulations against capital flight, but this is probably going a little too far...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id = 97245,00.html [ irs.gov ] To leave the country , you have to pay taxes for all of your assets , and renounce your US citizenship if you 'd like to stop paying the IRS.I 'm actually in favor of regulations against capital flight , but this is probably going a little too far.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=97245,00.html [irs.gov]To leave the country, you have to pay taxes for all of your assets, and renounce your US citizenship if you'd like to stop paying the IRS.I'm actually in favor of regulations against capital flight, but this is probably going a little too far...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132271</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132613</id>
	<title>Re:What if you refuse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243516680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you refuse this border check, you will *also* not be allowed to enter the US (once you leave, obviously).  In other words, you can refuse, but you're no longer welcome in the US.  Either that, or they will lock you up for however long the punishment is and then deport you, similar to what other countries (e.g. Japan) do when you try to leave without documentation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you refuse this border check , you will * also * not be allowed to enter the US ( once you leave , obviously ) .
In other words , you can refuse , but you 're no longer welcome in the US .
Either that , or they will lock you up for however long the punishment is and then deport you , similar to what other countries ( e.g .
Japan ) do when you try to leave without documentation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you refuse this border check, you will *also* not be allowed to enter the US (once you leave, obviously).
In other words, you can refuse, but you're no longer welcome in the US.
Either that, or they will lock you up for however long the punishment is and then deport you, similar to what other countries (e.g.
Japan) do when you try to leave without documentation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132277</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28137737</id>
	<title>Re:Barriers to leaving a country</title>
	<author>bleh-of-the-huns</author>
	<datestamp>1243606920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a huge difference though, its not that we are preventing people from leaving, its we are documenting who is leaving.  They can call it whatever they want, using illegal immigration (which I will admit is a problem) is just a means to an end.</p><p>Now on the other hand, I could care less if they fingerprint me, my prints are on record with every federal agency known to man (through my security clearances and work at various federal and civilian gov agencies).</p><p>At the same time, I honestly do not have a problem with people being identified, as long as the data is kept secure, and not abused (this is where the problems start to come up).  It's when they start to create massive databases of not just your identity, but add your travel habits, buying habits, personal things about you, sexual preferences etc, and then start to use that data to preempt things like crime, or use it to prevent you from getting insurance/medical/etc... thats where I start having issues...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a huge difference though , its not that we are preventing people from leaving , its we are documenting who is leaving .
They can call it whatever they want , using illegal immigration ( which I will admit is a problem ) is just a means to an end.Now on the other hand , I could care less if they fingerprint me , my prints are on record with every federal agency known to man ( through my security clearances and work at various federal and civilian gov agencies ) .At the same time , I honestly do not have a problem with people being identified , as long as the data is kept secure , and not abused ( this is where the problems start to come up ) .
It 's when they start to create massive databases of not just your identity , but add your travel habits , buying habits , personal things about you , sexual preferences etc , and then start to use that data to preempt things like crime , or use it to prevent you from getting insurance/medical/etc... thats where I start having issues.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a huge difference though, its not that we are preventing people from leaving, its we are documenting who is leaving.
They can call it whatever they want, using illegal immigration (which I will admit is a problem) is just a means to an end.Now on the other hand, I could care less if they fingerprint me, my prints are on record with every federal agency known to man (through my security clearances and work at various federal and civilian gov agencies).At the same time, I honestly do not have a problem with people being identified, as long as the data is kept secure, and not abused (this is where the problems start to come up).
It's when they start to create massive databases of not just your identity, but add your travel habits, buying habits, personal things about you, sexual preferences etc, and then start to use that data to preempt things like crime, or use it to prevent you from getting insurance/medical/etc... thats where I start having issues...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132057</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133015</id>
	<title>Re:As a Canadian...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243518780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The same way everyone is deported. By a court order or some other legal procedure.</p><p>But, your question misses out on the fun stuff. Allow me:<br>"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... As a Canadian, I assume that if I don't comply with Homeland Security's request, I would be deported. Which means I just go home anyway, right?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."</p><p>Wrong. It means you might be detained, questioned, jailed, convicted of a crime first. Then comes the fact that you were deported.</p><p>Now you will have problems re-entering the US, and could be prohibited from re-entry, from boarding an aircraft where the flight path goes over US territory (even if it's a direct flight that does not land in the USA), you might find yourself on one of the "lists" that can be hard to get your name off of, and since all Canadian and US Border Agencies have a shared database and equal access to each other's data about each other's citizens, you can find yourself having hassles while re-entering Canada.</p><p>Not all of this is automatic, and not all of it is inevitable, but a whole lot of it is at the discretion of others who have no sense of humor (or humour, as the case may be) and lying to a Border Agent in either country and about any thing whatsoever ("what did you eat for breakfast" is as good as any) is grounds for refusal of entry.</p><p>They WILL ask you if you were ever refused entry or deported the next time you attempt to cross, and the Canadian Agents WILL ask you why you were refused or deported from the USA. And they will have the answers right in front of them, so that they WILL know if you are lying.</p><p>And, that's assuming the extra attention doesn't get you in real shit; when Peace Officers look for things, they often find them, sometimes even when there is nothing to find.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same way everyone is deported .
By a court order or some other legal procedure.But , your question misses out on the fun stuff .
Allow me : " ... As a Canadian , I assume that if I do n't comply with Homeland Security 's request , I would be deported .
Which means I just go home anyway , right ?
... " Wrong. It means you might be detained , questioned , jailed , convicted of a crime first .
Then comes the fact that you were deported.Now you will have problems re-entering the US , and could be prohibited from re-entry , from boarding an aircraft where the flight path goes over US territory ( even if it 's a direct flight that does not land in the USA ) , you might find yourself on one of the " lists " that can be hard to get your name off of , and since all Canadian and US Border Agencies have a shared database and equal access to each other 's data about each other 's citizens , you can find yourself having hassles while re-entering Canada.Not all of this is automatic , and not all of it is inevitable , but a whole lot of it is at the discretion of others who have no sense of humor ( or humour , as the case may be ) and lying to a Border Agent in either country and about any thing whatsoever ( " what did you eat for breakfast " is as good as any ) is grounds for refusal of entry.They WILL ask you if you were ever refused entry or deported the next time you attempt to cross , and the Canadian Agents WILL ask you why you were refused or deported from the USA .
And they will have the answers right in front of them , so that they WILL know if you are lying.And , that 's assuming the extra attention does n't get you in real shit ; when Peace Officers look for things , they often find them , sometimes even when there is nothing to find .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same way everyone is deported.
By a court order or some other legal procedure.But, your question misses out on the fun stuff.
Allow me:" ... As a Canadian, I assume that if I don't comply with Homeland Security's request, I would be deported.
Which means I just go home anyway, right?
..."Wrong. It means you might be detained, questioned, jailed, convicted of a crime first.
Then comes the fact that you were deported.Now you will have problems re-entering the US, and could be prohibited from re-entry, from boarding an aircraft where the flight path goes over US territory (even if it's a direct flight that does not land in the USA), you might find yourself on one of the "lists" that can be hard to get your name off of, and since all Canadian and US Border Agencies have a shared database and equal access to each other's data about each other's citizens, you can find yourself having hassles while re-entering Canada.Not all of this is automatic, and not all of it is inevitable, but a whole lot of it is at the discretion of others who have no sense of humor (or humour, as the case may be) and lying to a Border Agent in either country and about any thing whatsoever ("what did you eat for breakfast" is as good as any) is grounds for refusal of entry.They WILL ask you if you were ever refused entry or deported the next time you attempt to cross, and the Canadian Agents WILL ask you why you were refused or deported from the USA.
And they will have the answers right in front of them, so that they WILL know if you are lying.And, that's assuming the extra attention doesn't get you in real shit; when Peace Officers look for things, they often find them, sometimes even when there is nothing to find.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132287</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134903</id>
	<title>Re:Won't work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243533480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No kidding.  If someone can afford international air fare, make them feel welcome.  Invite them back and have them bring friends.</p><p>Come: work, play, spend money, pay tax, and keep any crime petty and infrequent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No kidding .
If someone can afford international air fare , make them feel welcome .
Invite them back and have them bring friends.Come : work , play , spend money , pay tax , and keep any crime petty and infrequent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No kidding.
If someone can afford international air fare, make them feel welcome.
Invite them back and have them bring friends.Come: work, play, spend money, pay tax, and keep any crime petty and infrequent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132099</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132287</id>
	<title>As a Canadian...</title>
	<author>HtR</author>
	<datestamp>1243515120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a Canadian, I assume that if I don't comply with Homeland Security's request, I would be deported.  But how?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Canadian , I assume that if I do n't comply with Homeland Security 's request , I would be deported .
But how ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Canadian, I assume that if I don't comply with Homeland Security's request, I would be deported.
But how?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132773</id>
	<title>Re:Won't work</title>
	<author>cc\_pirate</author>
	<datestamp>1243517520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've met ones who have....  Not every illegal immigrant is from Mexico and/or poor...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've met ones who have.... Not every illegal immigrant is from Mexico and/or poor.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've met ones who have....  Not every illegal immigrant is from Mexico and/or poor...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132099</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28143907</id>
	<title>this is another us-visit exit pilot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243591800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The entry side of this program has been running for years.  The exist side was piloted and canceled once before already.  This applies only to non US citizens.  The purpose of the exit system is to confirm a visa holder adhered to the period the visa was issued for; and that the person who leaves is the same one who entered.  The usefulness of this is another issue entirely.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US\_Visit" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US\_Visit</a> [wikipedia.org]<br><a href="http://fcw.com/articles/2007/10/18/dhs-to-issue-plan-for-usvisit-exit-program-by-january.aspx" title="fcw.com" rel="nofollow">http://fcw.com/articles/2007/10/18/dhs-to-issue-plan-for-usvisit-exit-program-by-january.aspx</a> [fcw.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The entry side of this program has been running for years .
The exist side was piloted and canceled once before already .
This applies only to non US citizens .
The purpose of the exit system is to confirm a visa holder adhered to the period the visa was issued for ; and that the person who leaves is the same one who entered .
The usefulness of this is another issue entirely.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US \ _Visit [ wikipedia.org ] http : //fcw.com/articles/2007/10/18/dhs-to-issue-plan-for-usvisit-exit-program-by-january.aspx [ fcw.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The entry side of this program has been running for years.
The exist side was piloted and canceled once before already.
This applies only to non US citizens.
The purpose of the exit system is to confirm a visa holder adhered to the period the visa was issued for; and that the person who leaves is the same one who entered.
The usefulness of this is another issue entirely.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US\_Visit [wikipedia.org]http://fcw.com/articles/2007/10/18/dhs-to-issue-plan-for-usvisit-exit-program-by-january.aspx [fcw.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134043</id>
	<title>What's the problem?</title>
	<author>Foobar of Borg</author>
	<datestamp>1243525980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean, after all, we know that no <b>real</b> American would ever want to leave the country!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , after all , we know that no real American would ever want to leave the country !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, after all, we know that no real American would ever want to leave the country!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133527</id>
	<title>Re:Ya this is kinda scary</title>
	<author>mokus000</author>
	<datestamp>1243522260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps if you don't cooperate they'll let you out, but not back in?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps if you do n't cooperate they 'll let you out , but not back in ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps if you don't cooperate they'll let you out, but not back in?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132383</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133775</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1243524180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having crossed the border dozens of times (near buffalo) getting into Canada has always been easier. Going into the US by bus they run your bags through a metal detector. I've also seen a US border cop pull a gun on some guy who forgot a bag (they assumed it was a bomb?). Canadian side doesn't even have metal detectors and questioning is about the same for both sides. Oh and on the US side they actually look through your bags they dont going to Canada. And that isn't an example, that is policy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having crossed the border dozens of times ( near buffalo ) getting into Canada has always been easier .
Going into the US by bus they run your bags through a metal detector .
I 've also seen a US border cop pull a gun on some guy who forgot a bag ( they assumed it was a bomb ? ) .
Canadian side does n't even have metal detectors and questioning is about the same for both sides .
Oh and on the US side they actually look through your bags they dont going to Canada .
And that is n't an example , that is policy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having crossed the border dozens of times (near buffalo) getting into Canada has always been easier.
Going into the US by bus they run your bags through a metal detector.
I've also seen a US border cop pull a gun on some guy who forgot a bag (they assumed it was a bomb?).
Canadian side doesn't even have metal detectors and questioning is about the same for both sides.
Oh and on the US side they actually look through your bags they dont going to Canada.
And that isn't an example, that is policy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132947</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133491</id>
	<title>Re:Won't work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243522020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Insightful 5???  You can not be serious.</p><p>Obviously nobody lives in a big city, reads history, or people simply don't trust you.</p><p>Nobody thinks tourists fly into the US and just never returned?  It's not exactly illegal to visit the US, not yet at least.  In New York we can barley track our homeless much less outsiders.</p><p>Hell for a long while it was a popular way for Cuban athletes to get here and you can almost swim!</p><p>So maybe you haven't met an illegal coming off a plane but 100 bucks says they've met you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Insightful 5 ? ? ?
You can not be serious.Obviously nobody lives in a big city , reads history , or people simply do n't trust you.Nobody thinks tourists fly into the US and just never returned ?
It 's not exactly illegal to visit the US , not yet at least .
In New York we can barley track our homeless much less outsiders.Hell for a long while it was a popular way for Cuban athletes to get here and you can almost swim ! So maybe you have n't met an illegal coming off a plane but 100 bucks says they 've met you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Insightful 5???
You can not be serious.Obviously nobody lives in a big city, reads history, or people simply don't trust you.Nobody thinks tourists fly into the US and just never returned?
It's not exactly illegal to visit the US, not yet at least.
In New York we can barley track our homeless much less outsiders.Hell for a long while it was a popular way for Cuban athletes to get here and you can almost swim!So maybe you haven't met an illegal coming off a plane but 100 bucks says they've met you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132271</id>
	<title>i totally agree with your sentiment</title>
	<author>ClintJCL</author>
	<datestamp>1243515000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...But I have to ask, is it really true that we're the only one to erect barriers to who can leave? North Korea? China? Hello?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...But I have to ask , is it really true that we 're the only one to erect barriers to who can leave ?
North Korea ?
China ? Hello ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...But I have to ask, is it really true that we're the only one to erect barriers to who can leave?
North Korea?
China? Hello?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28137825</id>
	<title>Iron curtain</title>
	<author>Script Cat</author>
	<datestamp>1243607280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>An iron curtain has descended across the continent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An iron curtain has descended across the continent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An iron curtain has descended across the continent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132863</id>
	<title>Living in Detroit....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243517940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My first thought was that this is incredibly stupid.  This wouldn't do ANYTHING for security.</p><p>My second thought was what if I say No.  Will they block me from exiting the country?</p><p>My third thought was that if they did block me from exiting that it would be exactly like Communism in Old Russia.  I can't imagine the border patrol being happy about being called communists.</p><p>That said, when does this take effect?  I'll try to cross the border just to see what happens if I say no to the fingerprinting.  I will have done nothing wrong in trying to cross the border so i don't see how they could demand fingerprints.  I'll report back to slashdot what happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My first thought was that this is incredibly stupid .
This would n't do ANYTHING for security.My second thought was what if I say No .
Will they block me from exiting the country ? My third thought was that if they did block me from exiting that it would be exactly like Communism in Old Russia .
I ca n't imagine the border patrol being happy about being called communists.That said , when does this take effect ?
I 'll try to cross the border just to see what happens if I say no to the fingerprinting .
I will have done nothing wrong in trying to cross the border so i do n't see how they could demand fingerprints .
I 'll report back to slashdot what happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My first thought was that this is incredibly stupid.
This wouldn't do ANYTHING for security.My second thought was what if I say No.
Will they block me from exiting the country?My third thought was that if they did block me from exiting that it would be exactly like Communism in Old Russia.
I can't imagine the border patrol being happy about being called communists.That said, when does this take effect?
I'll try to cross the border just to see what happens if I say no to the fingerprinting.
I will have done nothing wrong in trying to cross the border so i don't see how they could demand fingerprints.
I'll report back to slashdot what happens.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134605</id>
	<title>electronics</title>
	<author>binaryseraph</author>
	<datestamp>1243530720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this mean that can seize my laptop indefinitely- like they do when you enter?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean that can seize my laptop indefinitely- like they do when you enter ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean that can seize my laptop indefinitely- like they do when you enter?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132057</id>
	<title>Barriers to leaving a country</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243513860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All countries exercise at least some control over who can enter, but there's only one kind of country that erects barriers to who can leave.  How long until you guys build a wall?  <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/systems/mexico-wall.htm" title="globalsecurity.org">Oh, apparently you've started already.</a> [globalsecurity.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All countries exercise at least some control over who can enter , but there 's only one kind of country that erects barriers to who can leave .
How long until you guys build a wall ?
Oh , apparently you 've started already .
[ globalsecurity.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All countries exercise at least some control over who can enter, but there's only one kind of country that erects barriers to who can leave.
How long until you guys build a wall?
Oh, apparently you've started already.
[globalsecurity.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28141125</id>
	<title>People who leave the country are...</title>
	<author>Trevin</author>
	<datestamp>1243623360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>An official has said it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal <b>emigrants</b>.</p></div></blockquote><p>Fixed it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>An official has said it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal emigrants.Fixed it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An official has said it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal emigrants.Fixed it.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132313</id>
	<title>What shoudl happen</title>
	<author>EkriirkE</author>
	<datestamp>1243515240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would love to see a backlash or movement for when this takes effect to have people install de-fingerprinting kiosks outside the airports... maybe offering a swipe of super glue before entry to the airport.  If only a few people do this it wont work so well, but if masses do it...???</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would love to see a backlash or movement for when this takes effect to have people install de-fingerprinting kiosks outside the airports... maybe offering a swipe of super glue before entry to the airport .
If only a few people do this it wont work so well , but if masses do it... ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would love to see a backlash or movement for when this takes effect to have people install de-fingerprinting kiosks outside the airports... maybe offering a swipe of super glue before entry to the airport.
If only a few people do this it wont work so well, but if masses do it...??
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132405</id>
	<title>Re:i totally agree with your sentiment</title>
	<author>amRadioHed</author>
	<datestamp>1243515600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He said "one kind of country" not "one country".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He said " one kind of country " not " one country " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He said "one kind of country" not "one country".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132271</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28143043</id>
	<title>Re:Barriers to leaving a country</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1243587960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lots of countries like to know when you leave... that's what they use passports for.  Nobody has a problem showing their passport when they leave.  The fingerprinting is the problem.  Why do you need to fingerprint?  My fingerprints will be linked to the passport I entered with, so what reason would I have for trying to use a different passport on the way out?</p><p>Fingerprinting people on the way in can at least be justified as making it harder to fake your identity when entering, but the argument doesn't hold water when leaving.  The only realistic reason seems to be building a large, mandatory fingerprint database... of US citizens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lots of countries like to know when you leave... that 's what they use passports for .
Nobody has a problem showing their passport when they leave .
The fingerprinting is the problem .
Why do you need to fingerprint ?
My fingerprints will be linked to the passport I entered with , so what reason would I have for trying to use a different passport on the way out ? Fingerprinting people on the way in can at least be justified as making it harder to fake your identity when entering , but the argument does n't hold water when leaving .
The only realistic reason seems to be building a large , mandatory fingerprint database... of US citizens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lots of countries like to know when you leave... that's what they use passports for.
Nobody has a problem showing their passport when they leave.
The fingerprinting is the problem.
Why do you need to fingerprint?
My fingerprints will be linked to the passport I entered with, so what reason would I have for trying to use a different passport on the way out?Fingerprinting people on the way in can at least be justified as making it harder to fake your identity when entering, but the argument doesn't hold water when leaving.
The only realistic reason seems to be building a large, mandatory fingerprint database... of US citizens.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28137737</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28138291</id>
	<title>Damn.  I'm going to miss visiting Canada</title>
	<author>moeinvt</author>
	<datestamp>1243609320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm NEVER going to get any biometric or RF enabled ID, and I'm sure as hell not going to allow them to fingerprint me at the border.</p><p>Guess I'll be staying home until we decide it's time to restore our civil liberties.  No more hockey games or concerts at The Bell Center, and missing The Montreal Film Festival is totally going to suck.</p><p>Oh well, anything for the illusion of a little temporary safety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm NEVER going to get any biometric or RF enabled ID , and I 'm sure as hell not going to allow them to fingerprint me at the border.Guess I 'll be staying home until we decide it 's time to restore our civil liberties .
No more hockey games or concerts at The Bell Center , and missing The Montreal Film Festival is totally going to suck.Oh well , anything for the illusion of a little temporary safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm NEVER going to get any biometric or RF enabled ID, and I'm sure as hell not going to allow them to fingerprint me at the border.Guess I'll be staying home until we decide it's time to restore our civil liberties.
No more hockey games or concerts at The Bell Center, and missing The Montreal Film Festival is totally going to suck.Oh well, anything for the illusion of a little temporary safety.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132237</id>
	<title>Honestly, what's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243514880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what if they want to fingerprint travelers? I think this is a good idea, since it can be used to catch those who may be trying to flee the country because they have warrants out, etc.  Please tell me how this is an infringement on your 'rights'?</p><p>The DHS/ICE already do biometric scanning of all permanent residents when they're entering the country, and I mean fingerprinting all the fingers in both of your hands. People with US Passports, by comparison, are waived through, which I think is a incredibly stupid thing.</p><p>Besides, the EU has been doing this for <a href="http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd\%5B347\%5D=x-347-560378" title="privacyinternational.org" rel="nofollow">quite some time</a> [privacyinternational.org].  Get over it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what if they want to fingerprint travelers ?
I think this is a good idea , since it can be used to catch those who may be trying to flee the country because they have warrants out , etc .
Please tell me how this is an infringement on your 'rights ' ? The DHS/ICE already do biometric scanning of all permanent residents when they 're entering the country , and I mean fingerprinting all the fingers in both of your hands .
People with US Passports , by comparison , are waived through , which I think is a incredibly stupid thing.Besides , the EU has been doing this for quite some time [ privacyinternational.org ] .
Get over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what if they want to fingerprint travelers?
I think this is a good idea, since it can be used to catch those who may be trying to flee the country because they have warrants out, etc.
Please tell me how this is an infringement on your 'rights'?The DHS/ICE already do biometric scanning of all permanent residents when they're entering the country, and I mean fingerprinting all the fingers in both of your hands.
People with US Passports, by comparison, are waived through, which I think is a incredibly stupid thing.Besides, the EU has been doing this for quite some time [privacyinternational.org].
Get over it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132067</id>
	<title>totalitarianism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243513920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>it keeps creeping in, step by step, for as long as enough of us remain silent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>it keeps creeping in , step by step , for as long as enough of us remain silent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it keeps creeping in, step by step, for as long as enough of us remain silent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132429</id>
	<title>Now youll know</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243515720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How it feeels.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How it feeels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How it feeels.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28139299</id>
	<title>By Neruos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243614300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a USA passport, I am a USA citizen. If I show proof of those 2 things, I should not have to do anything to provide further proof. Show my passport and move on.</p><p>If the USA system is so ill equiped to protect its passport, then design a new one that illegals can not duplicate. Do not hold me, a law biding citizen who holds the documents the USA government tells me to hold so that I can move freely and with-in my privacy to move country to country.</p><p>USA: Stop becoming a police state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a USA passport , I am a USA citizen .
If I show proof of those 2 things , I should not have to do anything to provide further proof .
Show my passport and move on.If the USA system is so ill equiped to protect its passport , then design a new one that illegals can not duplicate .
Do not hold me , a law biding citizen who holds the documents the USA government tells me to hold so that I can move freely and with-in my privacy to move country to country.USA : Stop becoming a police state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a USA passport, I am a USA citizen.
If I show proof of those 2 things, I should not have to do anything to provide further proof.
Show my passport and move on.If the USA system is so ill equiped to protect its passport, then design a new one that illegals can not duplicate.
Do not hold me, a law biding citizen who holds the documents the USA government tells me to hold so that I can move freely and with-in my privacy to move country to country.USA: Stop becoming a police state.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132391</id>
	<title>Re:Barriers to leaving a country</title>
	<author>schwanerhill</author>
	<datestamp>1243515540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>All countries exercise at least some control over who can enter, but there's only one kind of country that erects barriers to who can leave. How long until you guys build a wall? Oh, apparently you've started already.</p></div></blockquote><p>Huh?</p><p>While I agree with the complaint and don't like much of anything about the changes to US Customs and Immigration procedures in the last 7-8 years, the US is one of relatively few countries that doesn't put all passengers through an exit customs and/or immigration check. In all the overseas airports I've flown out of in recent years (in Australia, Chile, the UK, and Spain), you pass through a customs check before entering the international departures area.</p><p>This check is pretty cursory, but it's only the US and Canada (in my relatively limited experience) that don't do it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All countries exercise at least some control over who can enter , but there 's only one kind of country that erects barriers to who can leave .
How long until you guys build a wall ?
Oh , apparently you 've started already.Huh ? While I agree with the complaint and do n't like much of anything about the changes to US Customs and Immigration procedures in the last 7-8 years , the US is one of relatively few countries that does n't put all passengers through an exit customs and/or immigration check .
In all the overseas airports I 've flown out of in recent years ( in Australia , Chile , the UK , and Spain ) , you pass through a customs check before entering the international departures area.This check is pretty cursory , but it 's only the US and Canada ( in my relatively limited experience ) that do n't do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All countries exercise at least some control over who can enter, but there's only one kind of country that erects barriers to who can leave.
How long until you guys build a wall?
Oh, apparently you've started already.Huh?While I agree with the complaint and don't like much of anything about the changes to US Customs and Immigration procedures in the last 7-8 years, the US is one of relatively few countries that doesn't put all passengers through an exit customs and/or immigration check.
In all the overseas airports I've flown out of in recent years (in Australia, Chile, the UK, and Spain), you pass through a customs check before entering the international departures area.This check is pretty cursory, but it's only the US and Canada (in my relatively limited experience) that don't do it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135933</id>
	<title>Re:Ya this is kinda scary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243588500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You write "Saying who can and can't enter is, well, part of being an nation".  I'm sorry, I don't understand. The whole idea of controlling borders is fairly recent, started with the French requiring papers for young men to leave the country. You needed to have a pass to get out of the port. This was instituted to help with recruitment for the Navy.</p><p>After WWI some more nations got serious about controlling who came in or out, to prevent "spying."</p><p>Now in Europe the trend is to roll back border controls. There's this nice idea called the Schengen Agreement which allows for the free movement of ALL PEOPLE (regardless of citizenship) among member nations. Seems to be working pretty well, too.</p><p>So I could see that "saying who can and cannot enter" is part of SOME nations, but certainly not a prerequisite for nationhood per se.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You write " Saying who can and ca n't enter is , well , part of being an nation " .
I 'm sorry , I do n't understand .
The whole idea of controlling borders is fairly recent , started with the French requiring papers for young men to leave the country .
You needed to have a pass to get out of the port .
This was instituted to help with recruitment for the Navy.After WWI some more nations got serious about controlling who came in or out , to prevent " spying .
" Now in Europe the trend is to roll back border controls .
There 's this nice idea called the Schengen Agreement which allows for the free movement of ALL PEOPLE ( regardless of citizenship ) among member nations .
Seems to be working pretty well , too.So I could see that " saying who can and can not enter " is part of SOME nations , but certainly not a prerequisite for nationhood per se .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You write "Saying who can and can't enter is, well, part of being an nation".
I'm sorry, I don't understand.
The whole idea of controlling borders is fairly recent, started with the French requiring papers for young men to leave the country.
You needed to have a pass to get out of the port.
This was instituted to help with recruitment for the Navy.After WWI some more nations got serious about controlling who came in or out, to prevent "spying.
"Now in Europe the trend is to roll back border controls.
There's this nice idea called the Schengen Agreement which allows for the free movement of ALL PEOPLE (regardless of citizenship) among member nations.
Seems to be working pretty well, too.So I could see that "saying who can and cannot enter" is part of SOME nations, but certainly not a prerequisite for nationhood per se.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132383</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28143593</id>
	<title>fuck it</title>
	<author>smoker2</author>
	<datestamp>1243590540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I spent just about $40,000 the last time I was in the US (In restaurants, hotels and cars and air fares mostly). I was there for less than 4 months. I've not been back since you started treating me like a criminal. I first arrived November 2001. I had less hassle then than now, and that was 2 months after 9/11.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I spent just about $ 40,000 the last time I was in the US ( In restaurants , hotels and cars and air fares mostly ) .
I was there for less than 4 months .
I 've not been back since you started treating me like a criminal .
I first arrived November 2001 .
I had less hassle then than now , and that was 2 months after 9/11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spent just about $40,000 the last time I was in the US (In restaurants, hotels and cars and air fares mostly).
I was there for less than 4 months.
I've not been back since you started treating me like a criminal.
I first arrived November 2001.
I had less hassle then than now, and that was 2 months after 9/11.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135655</id>
	<title>Re:Ya this is kinda scary</title>
	<author>DigiShaman</author>
	<datestamp>1243628580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Saying who can and can't enter is, well, part of being an nation. I would place it akin to an individual being able to decide who can and can't enter their home. Part of being a sovereign nation is you need to be able to decide who is allowed to come in.</p></div></blockquote><p>I agree with you. However, the US Department of States has posted the following regarding dual nationality.</p><p><i>However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. <b>They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there</b>. Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.</i> <a href="http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis\_pa\_tw/cis/cis\_1753.html" title="state.gov">http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis\_pa\_tw/cis/cis\_1753.html</a> [state.gov]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Saying who can and ca n't enter is , well , part of being an nation .
I would place it akin to an individual being able to decide who can and ca n't enter their home .
Part of being a sovereign nation is you need to be able to decide who is allowed to come in.I agree with you .
However , the US Department of States has posted the following regarding dual nationality.However , dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country .
They are required to obey the laws of both countries .
Either country has the right to enforce its laws , particularly if the person later travels there .
Most U.S. citizens , including dual nationals , must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States .
Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country .
Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship .
http : //travel.state.gov/travel/cis \ _pa \ _tw/cis/cis \ _1753.html [ state.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saying who can and can't enter is, well, part of being an nation.
I would place it akin to an individual being able to decide who can and can't enter their home.
Part of being a sovereign nation is you need to be able to decide who is allowed to come in.I agree with you.
However, the US Department of States has posted the following regarding dual nationality.However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country.
They are required to obey the laws of both countries.
Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.
Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.
Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country.
Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis\_pa\_tw/cis/cis\_1753.html [state.gov]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132383</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28137683</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243606680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're Canadian and you would vote to join the US??!  Hey, I might have problems with the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT but in general have nothing wrong with Americans... my wife is an American whom I met in Texas.  But as for joining the US, please go fuck yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're Canadian and you would vote to join the US ? ? !
Hey , I might have problems with the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT but in general have nothing wrong with Americans... my wife is an American whom I met in Texas .
But as for joining the US , please go fuck yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're Canadian and you would vote to join the US??!
Hey, I might have problems with the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT but in general have nothing wrong with Americans... my wife is an American whom I met in Texas.
But as for joining the US, please go fuck yourself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132341</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132705</id>
	<title>Re:What if you refuse?</title>
	<author>msimm</author>
	<datestamp>1243517160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No. They'll probably strip/cavity search you, detain you and eventually after making a big show, contact your embassy and let you go.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
They 'll probably strip/cavity search you , detain you and eventually after making a big show , contact your embassy and let you go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
They'll probably strip/cavity search you, detain you and eventually after making a big show, contact your embassy and let you go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132277</id>
	<title>What if you refuse?</title>
	<author>jmv</author>
	<datestamp>1243515060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you come in to the US, they tell you that you don't have to comply with the checks, but that if you don't you can't enter. So what if you refuse to comply with that one? You can't leave?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you come in to the US , they tell you that you do n't have to comply with the checks , but that if you do n't you ca n't enter .
So what if you refuse to comply with that one ?
You ca n't leave ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you come in to the US, they tell you that you don't have to comply with the checks, but that if you don't you can't enter.
So what if you refuse to comply with that one?
You can't leave?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133599</id>
	<title>Re:Ya this is kinda scary</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1243522740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The USSR had very strict border control and it was more to keep their populace in than to keep foreigners out. Thus I see this as a step down a very bad path.</p></div><p>You might be interested in this video:</p><p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1294790/" title="imdb.com">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1294790/</a> [imdb.com]</p><p>It presents some interesting info on Fascism, and the parallels that have been appearing between the US and Germany(of the past).</p><p>Even if you disagree with it (unlikely), it educates on what to watch out for. The rights of the US citizen are slowly slipping away.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The USSR had very strict border control and it was more to keep their populace in than to keep foreigners out .
Thus I see this as a step down a very bad path.You might be interested in this video : http : //www.imdb.com/title/tt1294790/ [ imdb.com ] It presents some interesting info on Fascism , and the parallels that have been appearing between the US and Germany ( of the past ) .Even if you disagree with it ( unlikely ) , it educates on what to watch out for .
The rights of the US citizen are slowly slipping away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The USSR had very strict border control and it was more to keep their populace in than to keep foreigners out.
Thus I see this as a step down a very bad path.You might be interested in this video:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1294790/ [imdb.com]It presents some interesting info on Fascism, and the parallels that have been appearing between the US and Germany(of the past).Even if you disagree with it (unlikely), it educates on what to watch out for.
The rights of the US citizen are slowly slipping away.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132383</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134297</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>Richard\_J\_N</author>
	<datestamp>1243527780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I totally agree. The DHS should be eliminated, together with all it stands for.</p><p>As a British citizen, I won't travel to the USA again - I have fond memories of the times when visitors were welcomed, rather than fingerprinted like criminals. This "security" does have a cost to the USA - our family alone has taken at least 10 vacations elsewhere as a result of the fingerprinting and guantanamo policies. That means at least $100,000 that we have spent in Europe rather than the USA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally agree .
The DHS should be eliminated , together with all it stands for.As a British citizen , I wo n't travel to the USA again - I have fond memories of the times when visitors were welcomed , rather than fingerprinted like criminals .
This " security " does have a cost to the USA - our family alone has taken at least 10 vacations elsewhere as a result of the fingerprinting and guantanamo policies .
That means at least $ 100,000 that we have spent in Europe rather than the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally agree.
The DHS should be eliminated, together with all it stands for.As a British citizen, I won't travel to the USA again - I have fond memories of the times when visitors were welcomed, rather than fingerprinted like criminals.
This "security" does have a cost to the USA - our family alone has taken at least 10 vacations elsewhere as a result of the fingerprinting and guantanamo policies.
That means at least $100,000 that we have spent in Europe rather than the USA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28145225</id>
	<title>Airports to avoid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243598880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.tsa.gov/approach/tech/mwave.shtm" title="tsa.gov" rel="nofollow">Nudie scanners</a> [tsa.gov]:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Albuquerque International Sunport Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * <strong>Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport</strong><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Denver International Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * <strong>Detroit Metro Airport</strong><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Indianapolis International Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Jacksonville International Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * McCarran International Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Los Angeles International Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Miami International Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Raleigh-Durham International Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Richmond International Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * San Francisco International Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Salt Lake City International Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Tampa International Airport<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Tulsa International Airport</p><p>Now we have two reasons to avoid Detroit and Atlanta.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nudie scanners [ tsa.gov ] :         * Albuquerque International Sunport Airport         * Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport         * Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport         * Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport         * Denver International Airport         * Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport         * Detroit Metro Airport         * Indianapolis International Airport         * Jacksonville International Airport         * McCarran International Airport         * Los Angeles International Airport         * Miami International Airport         * Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport         * Raleigh-Durham International Airport         * Richmond International Airport         * San Francisco International Airport         * Salt Lake City International Airport         * Tampa International Airport         * Tulsa International AirportNow we have two reasons to avoid Detroit and Atlanta .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nudie scanners [tsa.gov]:
        * Albuquerque International Sunport Airport
        * Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport
        * Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport
        * Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport
        * Denver International Airport
        * Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport
        * Detroit Metro Airport
        * Indianapolis International Airport
        * Jacksonville International Airport
        * McCarran International Airport
        * Los Angeles International Airport
        * Miami International Airport
        * Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport
        * Raleigh-Durham International Airport
        * Richmond International Airport
        * San Francisco International Airport
        * Salt Lake City International Airport
        * Tampa International Airport
        * Tulsa International AirportNow we have two reasons to avoid Detroit and Atlanta.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135435</id>
	<title>Won't stamp your hand</title>
	<author>SgtChaireBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1243539540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Brave Homeland Security Officer:  Place your thumb here.<br>
Traveler: Ok.<br>
*Presses thumb to scanner*<br>
Brave Homeland Security Officer:  Ah-ha!  This says that you are in this country illegally!  I've got you now!<br>
Traveler/Illegal immigrant:  Sooooo... since I'm not allowed to be in this country, do you want me to get on my plane and leave, or what?<br>
Brave Homeland Security Officer:  Yes!  And, um, never come back!  That'll teach you!<br>
Traveler/Illegal immigrant:  Yes, this punishment of being delayed from my flight for 30 seconds has surely made me so uncomfortable that I won't ever sneak back into this country.  You win.</p></div><p>
It's more than a 30 second delay.  Make note that BHSO above didn't stamp TI's hand so he won't be able to get back in.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Brave Homeland Security Officer : Place your thumb here .
Traveler : Ok . * Presses thumb to scanner * Brave Homeland Security Officer : Ah-ha !
This says that you are in this country illegally !
I 've got you now !
Traveler/Illegal immigrant : Sooooo... since I 'm not allowed to be in this country , do you want me to get on my plane and leave , or what ?
Brave Homeland Security Officer : Yes !
And , um , never come back !
That 'll teach you !
Traveler/Illegal immigrant : Yes , this punishment of being delayed from my flight for 30 seconds has surely made me so uncomfortable that I wo n't ever sneak back into this country .
You win .
It 's more than a 30 second delay .
Make note that BHSO above did n't stamp TI 's hand so he wo n't be able to get back in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brave Homeland Security Officer:  Place your thumb here.
Traveler: Ok.
*Presses thumb to scanner*
Brave Homeland Security Officer:  Ah-ha!
This says that you are in this country illegally!
I've got you now!
Traveler/Illegal immigrant:  Sooooo... since I'm not allowed to be in this country, do you want me to get on my plane and leave, or what?
Brave Homeland Security Officer:  Yes!
And, um, never come back!
That'll teach you!
Traveler/Illegal immigrant:  Yes, this punishment of being delayed from my flight for 30 seconds has surely made me so uncomfortable that I won't ever sneak back into this country.
You win.
It's more than a 30 second delay.
Make note that BHSO above didn't stamp TI's hand so he won't be able to get back in.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132969</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243518480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just imagine in another ten.  Fucking hell.<br> <br>

I used to respect the US a lot too, the whole thing is BASED on good principles.  But almost nobody sticks by them or believes in them anymore, it's all rhetoric and cumulative power grabs.  Stupid fucking bastards, look what you've allowed to happen!  And what hope is there that Obama will change this?  God damn it's frustrating.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just imagine in another ten .
Fucking hell .
I used to respect the US a lot too , the whole thing is BASED on good principles .
But almost nobody sticks by them or believes in them anymore , it 's all rhetoric and cumulative power grabs .
Stupid fucking bastards , look what you 've allowed to happen !
And what hope is there that Obama will change this ?
God damn it 's frustrating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just imagine in another ten.
Fucking hell.
I used to respect the US a lot too, the whole thing is BASED on good principles.
But almost nobody sticks by them or believes in them anymore, it's all rhetoric and cumulative power grabs.
Stupid fucking bastards, look what you've allowed to happen!
And what hope is there that Obama will change this?
God damn it's frustrating.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134677</id>
	<title>Editor's Note</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243531500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did anyone see the Editor's note? Should probably update the Post.</p><p>Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens. This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did anyone see the Editor 's note ?
Should probably update the Post.Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens .
This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did anyone see the Editor's note?
Should probably update the Post.Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens.
This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134391</id>
	<title>I'll stay here.</title>
	<author>delysid-x</author>
	<datestamp>1243528500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>another reason why i'll never cross the border from canada again. canada is a pretty harsh police state, but not nearly as bad as the usa (or britain, it's 1984 there from now on) I used to go down to Bellingham, WA for cheap goods, but I don't think I'm welcome there anymore. I always feel like I'm in danger when I cross the border, like some crackhead is going to shoot me with a handgun. Plus they'd send me to jail for all the BC Bud I smoke heh<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) Nobody I know could take their car across the border without it getting seized.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>another reason why i 'll never cross the border from canada again .
canada is a pretty harsh police state , but not nearly as bad as the usa ( or britain , it 's 1984 there from now on ) I used to go down to Bellingham , WA for cheap goods , but I do n't think I 'm welcome there anymore .
I always feel like I 'm in danger when I cross the border , like some crackhead is going to shoot me with a handgun .
Plus they 'd send me to jail for all the BC Bud I smoke heh ; ) Nobody I know could take their car across the border without it getting seized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>another reason why i'll never cross the border from canada again.
canada is a pretty harsh police state, but not nearly as bad as the usa (or britain, it's 1984 there from now on) I used to go down to Bellingham, WA for cheap goods, but I don't think I'm welcome there anymore.
I always feel like I'm in danger when I cross the border, like some crackhead is going to shoot me with a handgun.
Plus they'd send me to jail for all the BC Bud I smoke heh ;) Nobody I know could take their car across the border without it getting seized.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132543</id>
	<title>Re:i totally agree with your sentiment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243516380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China doesn't erect barriers to who can leave.  It's a trivial process for a Chinese person to obtain a passport and purchase a ticket to some other country - the problem is obtaining a visa for the country you want to go to, which is nothing to do with China and everything to do with other countries not wanting to grant visas to Chinese citizens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China does n't erect barriers to who can leave .
It 's a trivial process for a Chinese person to obtain a passport and purchase a ticket to some other country - the problem is obtaining a visa for the country you want to go to , which is nothing to do with China and everything to do with other countries not wanting to grant visas to Chinese citizens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China doesn't erect barriers to who can leave.
It's a trivial process for a Chinese person to obtain a passport and purchase a ticket to some other country - the problem is obtaining a visa for the country you want to go to, which is nothing to do with China and everything to do with other countries not wanting to grant visas to Chinese citizens.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132271</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133761</id>
	<title>Re:Ya this is kinda scary</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1243524120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It might interest you that someone is pushing a ballot proposition in California that would impose a massive exit tax on anyone moving out of CA. I see this as all part of the same road -- to the wrong side of the Iron Curtain.</p><p><a href="http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections\_j.htm#1351" title="ca.gov">http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections\_j.htm#1351</a> [ca.gov]<br>Wealth Tax. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute.<br>Summary Date: 01/28/09 Circulation Deadline: 06/29/09 Signatures Required: 694,354<br>Proponent: Paul McCauley<br>In part: "Imposes one-time tax of at least 55\% on property in California exceeding $15 million if single, $20 million if married. Imposes one-time tax (between 36.5\% - 54.3\%) on income exceeding $10 million when resident dies or leaves California. Imposes additional 17.5\% tax on total incomes of taxpayers with income exceeding $150,000 if single, $250,000 if married; 35\% if incomes exceed $350,000 if single, $500,000 if married. Creates tax credits. Requires State to acquire shares of specified corporations to influence environmental practices."</p><p>This amounts to a Soviet-style assets grab -- no one will be able to cough up that much cash for property taxes (even people who own $15M properties don't normally keep $8M in cash laying around), so these expensive properties will be either sold (and a chunk of the proceeds confiscated under this proposal) or ceded to the state for unpaid taxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It might interest you that someone is pushing a ballot proposition in California that would impose a massive exit tax on anyone moving out of CA .
I see this as all part of the same road -- to the wrong side of the Iron Curtain.http : //www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections \ _j.htm # 1351 [ ca.gov ] Wealth Tax .
Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute.Summary Date : 01/28/09 Circulation Deadline : 06/29/09 Signatures Required : 694,354Proponent : Paul McCauleyIn part : " Imposes one-time tax of at least 55 \ % on property in California exceeding $ 15 million if single , $ 20 million if married .
Imposes one-time tax ( between 36.5 \ % - 54.3 \ % ) on income exceeding $ 10 million when resident dies or leaves California .
Imposes additional 17.5 \ % tax on total incomes of taxpayers with income exceeding $ 150,000 if single , $ 250,000 if married ; 35 \ % if incomes exceed $ 350,000 if single , $ 500,000 if married .
Creates tax credits .
Requires State to acquire shares of specified corporations to influence environmental practices .
" This amounts to a Soviet-style assets grab -- no one will be able to cough up that much cash for property taxes ( even people who own $ 15M properties do n't normally keep $ 8M in cash laying around ) , so these expensive properties will be either sold ( and a chunk of the proceeds confiscated under this proposal ) or ceded to the state for unpaid taxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It might interest you that someone is pushing a ballot proposition in California that would impose a massive exit tax on anyone moving out of CA.
I see this as all part of the same road -- to the wrong side of the Iron Curtain.http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections\_j.htm#1351 [ca.gov]Wealth Tax.
Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute.Summary Date: 01/28/09 Circulation Deadline: 06/29/09 Signatures Required: 694,354Proponent: Paul McCauleyIn part: "Imposes one-time tax of at least 55\% on property in California exceeding $15 million if single, $20 million if married.
Imposes one-time tax (between 36.5\% - 54.3\%) on income exceeding $10 million when resident dies or leaves California.
Imposes additional 17.5\% tax on total incomes of taxpayers with income exceeding $150,000 if single, $250,000 if married; 35\% if incomes exceed $350,000 if single, $500,000 if married.
Creates tax credits.
Requires State to acquire shares of specified corporations to influence environmental practices.
"This amounts to a Soviet-style assets grab -- no one will be able to cough up that much cash for property taxes (even people who own $15M properties don't normally keep $8M in cash laying around), so these expensive properties will be either sold (and a chunk of the proceeds confiscated under this proposal) or ceded to the state for unpaid taxes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28147055</id>
	<title>Epidemic - so ironic!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243617240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>huh? so the epidemic of people pretending to leave the country on commercial flights by booking flights and sending doppelgangers in their place is finally over! rejoice Americans! we are all now super safe!</p></div><p>It is so ironic you used the term "epidemic" because we have a real epidemic* here (the new H1N1 flu), and the US did practically nothing to stop to flow of H1N1 carriers spreading the flu to other countries, not even a kindly suggestion to citizens to avoid travel when sick.  Now over ~80\% of the new H1N1 cases caught in Asia comes from the US.</p><p>Yet OTOH the US govt find the time and money to screen people to "crack down illegal immigrants".  Goes to show you what kind of priority the US govt has on public control vs public health.</p><p>* - while the US didn't think much of it, you have remember not every country is as rich as the US, their medical system cannot safely handle the additional load of a new flu pandemic.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>huh ?
so the epidemic of people pretending to leave the country on commercial flights by booking flights and sending doppelgangers in their place is finally over !
rejoice Americans !
we are all now super safe ! It is so ironic you used the term " epidemic " because we have a real epidemic * here ( the new H1N1 flu ) , and the US did practically nothing to stop to flow of H1N1 carriers spreading the flu to other countries , not even a kindly suggestion to citizens to avoid travel when sick .
Now over ~ 80 \ % of the new H1N1 cases caught in Asia comes from the US.Yet OTOH the US govt find the time and money to screen people to " crack down illegal immigrants " .
Goes to show you what kind of priority the US govt has on public control vs public health .
* - while the US did n't think much of it , you have remember not every country is as rich as the US , their medical system can not safely handle the additional load of a new flu pandemic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>huh?
so the epidemic of people pretending to leave the country on commercial flights by booking flights and sending doppelgangers in their place is finally over!
rejoice Americans!
we are all now super safe!It is so ironic you used the term "epidemic" because we have a real epidemic* here (the new H1N1 flu), and the US did practically nothing to stop to flow of H1N1 carriers spreading the flu to other countries, not even a kindly suggestion to citizens to avoid travel when sick.
Now over ~80\% of the new H1N1 cases caught in Asia comes from the US.Yet OTOH the US govt find the time and money to screen people to "crack down illegal immigrants".
Goes to show you what kind of priority the US govt has on public control vs public health.
* - while the US didn't think much of it, you have remember not every country is as rich as the US, their medical system cannot safely handle the additional load of a new flu pandemic.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132079</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132659</id>
	<title>Re:As a Canadian...</title>
	<author>Cassini2</author>
	<datestamp>1243516920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Getting deported for not volunteering your finger prints would be an interesting way to get a free trip out of the country.
</p><p>In practice, I doubt they would let you back in, and you might need a lawyer to talk your way out of trouble.  Somehow, I think the U.S. will find a way of making it a costly "free" trip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Getting deported for not volunteering your finger prints would be an interesting way to get a free trip out of the country .
In practice , I doubt they would let you back in , and you might need a lawyer to talk your way out of trouble .
Somehow , I think the U.S. will find a way of making it a costly " free " trip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Getting deported for not volunteering your finger prints would be an interesting way to get a free trip out of the country.
In practice, I doubt they would let you back in, and you might need a lawyer to talk your way out of trouble.
Somehow, I think the U.S. will find a way of making it a costly "free" trip.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132287</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28136779</id>
	<title>Funny... but probably true...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243599900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Added to the "Never come back" - they would probably say that you are banned from entering the United States for 10 consecutive years<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Added to the " Never come back " - they would probably say that you are banned from entering the United States for 10 consecutive years .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Added to the "Never come back" - they would probably say that you are banned from entering the United States for 10 consecutive years ...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132465</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135533</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1243627200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because even though they have their second amendment they were too lazy to enforce it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because even though they have their second amendment they were too lazy to enforce it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because even though they have their second amendment they were too lazy to enforce it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132341</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133701</id>
	<title>The Real Reason...</title>
	<author>scorp1us</author>
	<datestamp>1243523640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The US is going to be the place NOT to be in a few years. Hyper inflation and 60\% income tax rates are being talked about on MSNBC tonight. The US will have to make people think twice before a mass exodus to new lands because of the ensuing drop in GDP, which will leave America without an economy...</p><p>Even if they start with foreigners today, it'll spread to citizens in 10 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US is going to be the place NOT to be in a few years .
Hyper inflation and 60 \ % income tax rates are being talked about on MSNBC tonight .
The US will have to make people think twice before a mass exodus to new lands because of the ensuing drop in GDP , which will leave America without an economy...Even if they start with foreigners today , it 'll spread to citizens in 10 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US is going to be the place NOT to be in a few years.
Hyper inflation and 60\% income tax rates are being talked about on MSNBC tonight.
The US will have to make people think twice before a mass exodus to new lands because of the ensuing drop in GDP, which will leave America without an economy...Even if they start with foreigners today, it'll spread to citizens in 10 years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28139815</id>
	<title>Update</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243617000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to the correction at the bottom of the article, only non-U.S.-citizens will be scanned wile leaving Detroit or Atlanta during the trial.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the correction at the bottom of the article , only non-U.S.-citizens will be scanned wile leaving Detroit or Atlanta during the trial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the correction at the bottom of the article, only non-U.S.-citizens will be scanned wile leaving Detroit or Atlanta during the trial.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132873</id>
	<title>Re:Barriers to leaving a country</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1243518060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Japan is pretty famous for being unfriendly to foreigners.  The question is, do they hassle Japanese passport holders as well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Japan is pretty famous for being unfriendly to foreigners .
The question is , do they hassle Japanese passport holders as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Japan is pretty famous for being unfriendly to foreigners.
The question is, do they hassle Japanese passport holders as well?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132335</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132483</id>
	<title>Your Papers, Please</title>
	<author>kylben</author>
	<datestamp>1243516080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal immigrants."</p></div><p>
The only way fingerprinting could possibly aid in tracking illegal immigrants is if it was used to track every single US citizen and legal alien.  Then anyone caught on the street without their fingerprints in the system is by definition illegal.  And even that is only useful if people are routinely fingerprinted on the street. I'm pretty sure there's a name for that kind of system.
</p><p>
The more likely use, down the road a (very short) way, is to make <b>em</b>igration illegal, or at least restricted.  There's a name for places where that happens, too.
</p><p>
Everybody likes to talk about police states in the past tense, or in the abstract.  Nobody expects the Spa... the real dictatorships. They aren't created all at once out of the blue, and they're seldom openly announced as such.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal immigrants .
" The only way fingerprinting could possibly aid in tracking illegal immigrants is if it was used to track every single US citizen and legal alien .
Then anyone caught on the street without their fingerprints in the system is by definition illegal .
And even that is only useful if people are routinely fingerprinted on the street .
I 'm pretty sure there 's a name for that kind of system .
The more likely use , down the road a ( very short ) way , is to make emigration illegal , or at least restricted .
There 's a name for places where that happens , too .
Everybody likes to talk about police states in the past tense , or in the abstract .
Nobody expects the Spa... the real dictatorships .
They are n't created all at once out of the blue , and they 're seldom openly announced as such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal immigrants.
"
The only way fingerprinting could possibly aid in tracking illegal immigrants is if it was used to track every single US citizen and legal alien.
Then anyone caught on the street without their fingerprints in the system is by definition illegal.
And even that is only useful if people are routinely fingerprinted on the street.
I'm pretty sure there's a name for that kind of system.
The more likely use, down the road a (very short) way, is to make emigration illegal, or at least restricted.
There's a name for places where that happens, too.
Everybody likes to talk about police states in the past tense, or in the abstract.
Nobody expects the Spa... the real dictatorships.
They aren't created all at once out of the blue, and they're seldom openly announced as such.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132827</id>
	<title>Re:Honestly, what's the big deal?</title>
	<author>MaskedSlacker</author>
	<datestamp>1243517760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're telling me that you need to fingerprint the man handing you his passport to verify his ID?</p><p>Sure, passports can be forged, so can fingerprints though.  In fact, it's likely easier to forge prints than passports.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're telling me that you need to fingerprint the man handing you his passport to verify his ID ? Sure , passports can be forged , so can fingerprints though .
In fact , it 's likely easier to forge prints than passports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're telling me that you need to fingerprint the man handing you his passport to verify his ID?Sure, passports can be forged, so can fingerprints though.
In fact, it's likely easier to forge prints than passports.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132237</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132333</id>
	<title>just cause it was hatched under bush ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243515360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where is your magic negro now ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where is your magic negro now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where is your magic negro now ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134441</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1243529100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It reminds me of all those B movies just after WW2 "Achtung! Show me your papers". How could y'all have just let this happen ?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
We let it happen because we didn't believe in our own values. A band of terrorists attacked us, and we reacted by panicking and throwing the rule of law out the window.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It reminds me of all those B movies just after WW2 " Achtung !
Show me your papers " .
How could y'all have just let this happen ?
We let it happen because we did n't believe in our own values .
A band of terrorists attacked us , and we reacted by panicking and throwing the rule of law out the window .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It reminds me of all those B movies just after WW2 "Achtung!
Show me your papers".
How could y'all have just let this happen ?
We let it happen because we didn't believe in our own values.
A band of terrorists attacked us, and we reacted by panicking and throwing the rule of law out the window.

	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132341</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133543</id>
	<title>I hate carrying ID on me...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243522380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one would prefer some biometric form of ID so I don't have to worry about forgetting my passport at home while I'm running late to catch a flight.</p><p>I think it would help in scenarios where you're banned from flights because your name matches someone else on the watch list.</p><p>If you don't agree with the policy of deporting illegal immigrants, change the policy but don't change the enforcement of it.  Not enforcing a law only sends the message that laws don't apply in general</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one would prefer some biometric form of ID so I do n't have to worry about forgetting my passport at home while I 'm running late to catch a flight.I think it would help in scenarios where you 're banned from flights because your name matches someone else on the watch list.If you do n't agree with the policy of deporting illegal immigrants , change the policy but do n't change the enforcement of it .
Not enforcing a law only sends the message that laws do n't apply in general</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one would prefer some biometric form of ID so I don't have to worry about forgetting my passport at home while I'm running late to catch a flight.I think it would help in scenarios where you're banned from flights because your name matches someone else on the watch list.If you don't agree with the policy of deporting illegal immigrants, change the policy but don't change the enforcement of it.
Not enforcing a law only sends the message that laws don't apply in general</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133625</id>
	<title>Scan this</title>
	<author>supachupa</author>
	<datestamp>1243522920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good.  They can scan my middle finger when I leave the US for good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good .
They can scan my middle finger when I leave the US for good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good.
They can scan my middle finger when I leave the US for good.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28136129</id>
	<title>They want to control everything?</title>
	<author>Nephrite</author>
	<datestamp>1243591080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am waiting for them to seize and "scan" ships and aircraft passing by near their shores...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am waiting for them to seize and " scan " ships and aircraft passing by near their shores.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am waiting for them to seize and "scan" ships and aircraft passing by near their shores...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133649</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>ThatCanadianGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1243523100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're not alone, last time i was there i was driving from Manitoba to ND.  I was kept for 3 hours in the garage's two way mirror'd room while they tore my car apart.  everything was on the ground and told that i had to pack it away.  They asked "do you have any weapons, or any drugs." then i was given the 3rd degree when they found fishing gear.  HOOKS ARE WEAPONS the state trooper said.  BULLSHIT!    the Stinky hippies in the next car in line went right on through.   I could smell the pot from 10 feet away.

Needless to say,  it goes both ways.  And I'm pissed about it.

But on the positive note, now everyone thinks I'm a terrorist.  Especially you're Uncle Sam.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're not alone , last time i was there i was driving from Manitoba to ND .
I was kept for 3 hours in the garage 's two way mirror 'd room while they tore my car apart .
everything was on the ground and told that i had to pack it away .
They asked " do you have any weapons , or any drugs .
" then i was given the 3rd degree when they found fishing gear .
HOOKS ARE WEAPONS the state trooper said .
BULLSHIT ! the Stinky hippies in the next car in line went right on through .
I could smell the pot from 10 feet away .
Needless to say , it goes both ways .
And I 'm pissed about it .
But on the positive note , now everyone thinks I 'm a terrorist .
Especially you 're Uncle Sam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're not alone, last time i was there i was driving from Manitoba to ND.
I was kept for 3 hours in the garage's two way mirror'd room while they tore my car apart.
everything was on the ground and told that i had to pack it away.
They asked "do you have any weapons, or any drugs.
" then i was given the 3rd degree when they found fishing gear.
HOOKS ARE WEAPONS the state trooper said.
BULLSHIT!    the Stinky hippies in the next car in line went right on through.
I could smell the pot from 10 feet away.
Needless to say,  it goes both ways.
And I'm pissed about it.
But on the positive note, now everyone thinks I'm a terrorist.
Especially you're Uncle Sam.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132947</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28137599</id>
	<title>U.S. 6th WORST Police State</title>
	<author>gabrieltss</author>
	<datestamp>1243606080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No surprise! Bush starded it - and Obama is continuing it. New boss same as the old boss. Both are FACISTS NAZI's!! They both should be put on trial for TREASDON against the U.S..</p><p><a href="https://secure.cryptohippie.com/pubs/EPS-2008.pdf" title="cryptohippie.com">Police State Study Ranks U.S. As 6th Worst In The World</a> [cryptohippie.com]<br><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/police-state-study-ranks-us-as-6th-worst-in-the-world.html" title="prisonplanet.com">Police State Study Ranks U.S. As 6th Worst In The World</a> [prisonplanet.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No surprise !
Bush starded it - and Obama is continuing it .
New boss same as the old boss .
Both are FACISTS NAZI 's ! !
They both should be put on trial for TREASDON against the U.S..Police State Study Ranks U.S. As 6th Worst In The World [ cryptohippie.com ] Police State Study Ranks U.S. As 6th Worst In The World [ prisonplanet.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No surprise!
Bush starded it - and Obama is continuing it.
New boss same as the old boss.
Both are FACISTS NAZI's!!
They both should be put on trial for TREASDON against the U.S..Police State Study Ranks U.S. As 6th Worst In The World [cryptohippie.com]Police State Study Ranks U.S. As 6th Worst In The World [prisonplanet.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135719</id>
	<title>Re:Your Papers, Please</title>
	<author>dbcad7</author>
	<datestamp>1243629240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If fingerprinting were in fact tied to all ID.. drivers license passports etc.. it could reduce fraud I suppose.. I really don't have a problem with that.. If that's what we do, then fine.. but just make the decision and implement it beforehand.. no playing CSI at the airport.. and international flights of all things.. I mean you have to have a passport, it's either valid or not, and the picture either looks like you or not.. The only thing fingerprinting could add is to determine if someone somehow obtained an additional passport under another name. I doubt this airport fingerprinting will discover this, but who knows.. maybe like most police activities they're just hoping to get lucky.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If fingerprinting were in fact tied to all ID.. drivers license passports etc.. it could reduce fraud I suppose.. I really do n't have a problem with that.. If that 's what we do , then fine.. but just make the decision and implement it beforehand.. no playing CSI at the airport.. and international flights of all things.. I mean you have to have a passport , it 's either valid or not , and the picture either looks like you or not.. The only thing fingerprinting could add is to determine if someone somehow obtained an additional passport under another name .
I doubt this airport fingerprinting will discover this , but who knows.. maybe like most police activities they 're just hoping to get lucky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If fingerprinting were in fact tied to all ID.. drivers license passports etc.. it could reduce fraud I suppose.. I really don't have a problem with that.. If that's what we do, then fine.. but just make the decision and implement it beforehand.. no playing CSI at the airport.. and international flights of all things.. I mean you have to have a passport, it's either valid or not, and the picture either looks like you or not.. The only thing fingerprinting could add is to determine if someone somehow obtained an additional passport under another name.
I doubt this airport fingerprinting will discover this, but who knows.. maybe like most police activities they're just hoping to get lucky.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132483</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132671</id>
	<title>Movie Idea</title>
	<author>arthurpaliden</author>
	<datestamp>1243516980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the early years of The War on Terror, the American city of Cincinnati attracts people from all over the United States. Many are transients trying to get out on the next plane to Canada or even Europe, a few are just trying to make a buck...Two DHS couriers have been killed and the letters of transit they were carrying have gone missing.  These letters are blank and represent freedom for two, all the action centers around a cafe<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the early years of The War on Terror , the American city of Cincinnati attracts people from all over the United States .
Many are transients trying to get out on the next plane to Canada or even Europe , a few are just trying to make a buck...Two DHS couriers have been killed and the letters of transit they were carrying have gone missing .
These letters are blank and represent freedom for two , all the action centers around a cafe ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the early years of The War on Terror, the American city of Cincinnati attracts people from all over the United States.
Many are transients trying to get out on the next plane to Canada or even Europe, a few are just trying to make a buck...Two DHS couriers have been killed and the letters of transit they were carrying have gone missing.
These letters are blank and represent freedom for two, all the action centers around a cafe ....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133303</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>ergo98</author>
	<datestamp>1243520400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I traveled to Canada</p></div> </blockquote><p>You're talking about being an American traveling to Canada, and how it was harder to enter Canada than to return to the US. This surprises you how? It's generally quite a bit easier to return to your own country than to enter another.</p><p>This thread was about the US demanding fingerprints to leave, which is just extraordinary, and is a stop in the very wrong direction. Add that to the "Constitution Free" zones that encompass a good percentage of the US population...the US is truly looking very much like the propaganda we saw about the USSR during the 80s.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I traveled to Canada You 're talking about being an American traveling to Canada , and how it was harder to enter Canada than to return to the US .
This surprises you how ?
It 's generally quite a bit easier to return to your own country than to enter another.This thread was about the US demanding fingerprints to leave , which is just extraordinary , and is a stop in the very wrong direction .
Add that to the " Constitution Free " zones that encompass a good percentage of the US population...the US is truly looking very much like the propaganda we saw about the USSR during the 80s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I traveled to Canada You're talking about being an American traveling to Canada, and how it was harder to enter Canada than to return to the US.
This surprises you how?
It's generally quite a bit easier to return to your own country than to enter another.This thread was about the US demanding fingerprints to leave, which is just extraordinary, and is a stop in the very wrong direction.
Add that to the "Constitution Free" zones that encompass a good percentage of the US population...the US is truly looking very much like the propaganda we saw about the USSR during the 80s.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132947</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133313</id>
	<title>Re:What if you refuse?</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1243520460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So what if you refuse to comply with that one? You can't leave?</p></div><p>You'll be detained by the TSA for additional security checks. Mysteriously, these checks will last long enough for you to miss your plane. And if you ever tried to complain, they'd claim suspicious behavior (read: terrorist suspect) and it'd get nowhere except maybe on the no-fly list.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So what if you refuse to comply with that one ?
You ca n't leave ? You 'll be detained by the TSA for additional security checks .
Mysteriously , these checks will last long enough for you to miss your plane .
And if you ever tried to complain , they 'd claim suspicious behavior ( read : terrorist suspect ) and it 'd get nowhere except maybe on the no-fly list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what if you refuse to comply with that one?
You can't leave?You'll be detained by the TSA for additional security checks.
Mysteriously, these checks will last long enough for you to miss your plane.
And if you ever tried to complain, they'd claim suspicious behavior (read: terrorist suspect) and it'd get nowhere except maybe on the no-fly list.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132277</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28140095</id>
	<title>Time to route around damage?</title>
	<author>anyGould</author>
	<datestamp>1243618500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Non-American here...</p><p>First question - what happens if you refuse? Will they not let you out of the country? </p><p>My thought was, just one more reason for me not to visit the US. Why put myself through the hassle and potential risk?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Non-American here...First question - what happens if you refuse ?
Will they not let you out of the country ?
My thought was , just one more reason for me not to visit the US .
Why put myself through the hassle and potential risk ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Non-American here...First question - what happens if you refuse?
Will they not let you out of the country?
My thought was, just one more reason for me not to visit the US.
Why put myself through the hassle and potential risk?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135095</id>
	<title>Not required for US citizens!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243535280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The original article was incorrect when they said that US citizens are to be included in this program. They have since corrected their mistake:</p><p>"Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens. This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The original article was incorrect when they said that US citizens are to be included in this program .
They have since corrected their mistake : " Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens .
This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original article was incorrect when they said that US citizens are to be included in this program.
They have since corrected their mistake:"Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens.
This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28137341</id>
	<title>Re:Won't work</title>
	<author>identity0</author>
	<datestamp>1243604520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More importantly, if they ARE in the country illegally, wouldn't this convince them to stay instead of risk getting caught?</p><p>Am I the only one who actually thinks about how people will react to/get around laws that are proposed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More importantly , if they ARE in the country illegally , would n't this convince them to stay instead of risk getting caught ? Am I the only one who actually thinks about how people will react to/get around laws that are proposed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More importantly, if they ARE in the country illegally, wouldn't this convince them to stay instead of risk getting caught?Am I the only one who actually thinks about how people will react to/get around laws that are proposed?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132099</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134035</id>
	<title>Same system as 5 years ago</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243525920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An identical system was introduced about 5 years ago for anyone visiting the US on a non-resident visa.  Incidentally, that test program was also rolled out first in Detroit and Atlanta.  Before leaving the country you had to scan your passport and give your fingerprint at an automated US-VISIT station.  You then received a 2D barcode which was needed to board the plane.  After less than a year the system was abandoned.  That was a period where they introduced a new stupid system every month...</p><p>They never removed the 10 or 15 stations in the Detroit McNamara terminal (they are next to the big jumpy fountain), so they will probably just start using them again.  But now for everyone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An identical system was introduced about 5 years ago for anyone visiting the US on a non-resident visa .
Incidentally , that test program was also rolled out first in Detroit and Atlanta .
Before leaving the country you had to scan your passport and give your fingerprint at an automated US-VISIT station .
You then received a 2D barcode which was needed to board the plane .
After less than a year the system was abandoned .
That was a period where they introduced a new stupid system every month...They never removed the 10 or 15 stations in the Detroit McNamara terminal ( they are next to the big jumpy fountain ) , so they will probably just start using them again .
But now for everyone : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An identical system was introduced about 5 years ago for anyone visiting the US on a non-resident visa.
Incidentally, that test program was also rolled out first in Detroit and Atlanta.
Before leaving the country you had to scan your passport and give your fingerprint at an automated US-VISIT station.
You then received a 2D barcode which was needed to board the plane.
After less than a year the system was abandoned.
That was a period where they introduced a new stupid system every month...They never removed the 10 or 15 stations in the Detroit McNamara terminal (they are next to the big jumpy fountain), so they will probably just start using them again.
But now for everyone :-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133347</id>
	<title>Re:As a Canadian...</title>
	<author>BigSlowTarget</author>
	<datestamp>1243520760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe unpleasantly.  They would probably tack on an extended stay in an empty office answering boring questions, force you to reschedule your flight (at your expense), trash your luggage and generally make life unpleasant.  It never pays to screw with law enforcement - they have too many ways to make your life miserable</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe unpleasantly .
They would probably tack on an extended stay in an empty office answering boring questions , force you to reschedule your flight ( at your expense ) , trash your luggage and generally make life unpleasant .
It never pays to screw with law enforcement - they have too many ways to make your life miserable</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe unpleasantly.
They would probably tack on an extended stay in an empty office answering boring questions, force you to reschedule your flight (at your expense), trash your luggage and generally make life unpleasant.
It never pays to screw with law enforcement - they have too many ways to make your life miserable</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132287</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132775</id>
	<title>Re:Ya this is kinda scary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243517520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It also raises some serious legal questions for people like me. I am a citizen of two nations, the US and Canada. I have a right to go to either nation. So is it legal for the US to say "No, you can't go to Canada,"? Who are they to tell me I can't go to my country?</p></div><p>As a dual citizen you are subject to laws of *both* nations. So regardless of where you are, you are subject to any US laws including but not limited to compulsory military service, paying taxes, etc, *as well as* any Canadian laws, such as compulsory military service, paying taxes, etc.</p><p>Also, if you are in Canada and a war breaks out, you cannot seek refuge at a US Embassy or aid from US authorities because the embassy cannot protect you from Canadian authorities. Canada's claims on you as their citizen are stronger in this case than US claims. This also applies in the fictional case you gave where the US claims on you as a US citizen outweigh any Canadian claims because you are at that point located in the USA and subject to full authority of any fingerprint laws. This is well documented in your US passport. You can also google "dual nationality" and specify the site:state.gov.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It also raises some serious legal questions for people like me .
I am a citizen of two nations , the US and Canada .
I have a right to go to either nation .
So is it legal for the US to say " No , you ca n't go to Canada , " ?
Who are they to tell me I ca n't go to my country ? As a dual citizen you are subject to laws of * both * nations .
So regardless of where you are , you are subject to any US laws including but not limited to compulsory military service , paying taxes , etc , * as well as * any Canadian laws , such as compulsory military service , paying taxes , etc.Also , if you are in Canada and a war breaks out , you can not seek refuge at a US Embassy or aid from US authorities because the embassy can not protect you from Canadian authorities .
Canada 's claims on you as their citizen are stronger in this case than US claims .
This also applies in the fictional case you gave where the US claims on you as a US citizen outweigh any Canadian claims because you are at that point located in the USA and subject to full authority of any fingerprint laws .
This is well documented in your US passport .
You can also google " dual nationality " and specify the site : state.gov .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It also raises some serious legal questions for people like me.
I am a citizen of two nations, the US and Canada.
I have a right to go to either nation.
So is it legal for the US to say "No, you can't go to Canada,"?
Who are they to tell me I can't go to my country?As a dual citizen you are subject to laws of *both* nations.
So regardless of where you are, you are subject to any US laws including but not limited to compulsory military service, paying taxes, etc, *as well as* any Canadian laws, such as compulsory military service, paying taxes, etc.Also, if you are in Canada and a war breaks out, you cannot seek refuge at a US Embassy or aid from US authorities because the embassy cannot protect you from Canadian authorities.
Canada's claims on you as their citizen are stronger in this case than US claims.
This also applies in the fictional case you gave where the US claims on you as a US citizen outweigh any Canadian claims because you are at that point located in the USA and subject to full authority of any fingerprint laws.
This is well documented in your US passport.
You can also google "dual nationality" and specify the site:state.gov.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132383</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28137795</id>
	<title>Re:Editor's Note</title>
	<author>chord.wav</author>
	<datestamp>1243607220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't really matter. Like in chess, you have to visuallize the next move. This is just how it begins.<br>They'll have 2 lines, one for US citizens and another for the rest. One day, the guy in the US booth will take a lunch brake and never come back. And everything is already in place for they to scan everyone...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't really matter .
Like in chess , you have to visuallize the next move .
This is just how it begins.They 'll have 2 lines , one for US citizens and another for the rest .
One day , the guy in the US booth will take a lunch brake and never come back .
And everything is already in place for they to scan everyone.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't really matter.
Like in chess, you have to visuallize the next move.
This is just how it begins.They'll have 2 lines, one for US citizens and another for the rest.
One day, the guy in the US booth will take a lunch brake and never come back.
And everything is already in place for they to scan everyone...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134677</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28143783</id>
	<title>Re:Ya this is kinda scary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243591260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By the possesive used in your last sentence, it seems apparent that you've already decided.  So come back to your (our) country and try to stop it from going down the same path as the one you just left.  Everyone here will thank you, because right now it's looking kind of shaky.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By the possesive used in your last sentence , it seems apparent that you 've already decided .
So come back to your ( our ) country and try to stop it from going down the same path as the one you just left .
Everyone here will thank you , because right now it 's looking kind of shaky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By the possesive used in your last sentence, it seems apparent that you've already decided.
So come back to your (our) country and try to stop it from going down the same path as the one you just left.
Everyone here will thank you, because right now it's looking kind of shaky.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132383</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133117</id>
	<title>Re:Won't work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243519200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ummm... they're not stupid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ummm... they 're not stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ummm... they're not stupid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132099</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28136575</id>
	<title>Re:Won't work</title>
	<author>goldaryn</author>
	<datestamp>1243597020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>None of the illegal immigrants I've ever met have arrived by airplane.<br>
This leaves two options: either these guys are really stupid, or the real goal is different from the stated goal.<br> </i>
<br>
Hey, the two arent mutually exclusive, this is the government we're talking about!</htmltext>
<tokenext>None of the illegal immigrants I 've ever met have arrived by airplane .
This leaves two options : either these guys are really stupid , or the real goal is different from the stated goal .
Hey , the two arent mutually exclusive , this is the government we 're talking about !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of the illegal immigrants I've ever met have arrived by airplane.
This leaves two options: either these guys are really stupid, or the real goal is different from the stated goal.
Hey, the two arent mutually exclusive, this is the government we're talking about!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132099</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133277</id>
	<title>Australian based article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243520220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice.  In under 10 years, we're all criminals.</p><p>And note the source of the information comes from Australia, when the source of the problem is in the United States.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice .
In under 10 years , we 're all criminals.And note the source of the information comes from Australia , when the source of the problem is in the United States .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice.
In under 10 years, we're all criminals.And note the source of the information comes from Australia, when the source of the problem is in the United States.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134227</id>
	<title>Does NOT apply to US Citizens</title>
	<author>adiemus</author>
	<datestamp>1243527240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TFA seems to be wrong about this including US citizens.  While I think fingerprinting anyone, citizen or not, coming into the country isn't something we should be doing, and certainly not when exiting, the bit about fingerprinting exiting US citizens is found nowhere other than in the article from IT News Australia.  The actual DHS press release is very specific that this is a planned extension to US-VISIT and, as such, only applies to non-US-citizens:</p><p><a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=AUSASAIR.story&amp;STORY=/www/story/05-28-2009/0005034173&amp;EDATE=THU+May+28+2009,+01:22+PM" title="prnewswire.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=AUSASAIR.story&amp;STORY=/www/story/05-28-2009/0005034173&amp;EDATE=THU+May+28+2009,+01:22+PM</a> [prnewswire.com]</p><p>Several additional articles all clearly indicating that this applies only to non-citizens:</p><p><a href="http://www.fcw.com/Articles/2009/05/27/Web-US-VISIT-pilots.aspx" title="fcw.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.fcw.com/Articles/2009/05/27/Web-US-VISIT-pilots.aspx</a> [fcw.com]<br><a href="http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng\_20090528\_7835.php?oref=rss" title="nextgov.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng\_20090528\_7835.php?oref=rss</a> [nextgov.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA seems to be wrong about this including US citizens .
While I think fingerprinting anyone , citizen or not , coming into the country is n't something we should be doing , and certainly not when exiting , the bit about fingerprinting exiting US citizens is found nowhere other than in the article from IT News Australia .
The actual DHS press release is very specific that this is a planned extension to US-VISIT and , as such , only applies to non-US-citizens : http : //www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl ? ACCT = AUSASAIR.story&amp;STORY = /www/story/05-28-2009/0005034173&amp;EDATE = THU + May + 28 + 2009 , + 01 : 22 + PM [ prnewswire.com ] Several additional articles all clearly indicating that this applies only to non-citizens : http : //www.fcw.com/Articles/2009/05/27/Web-US-VISIT-pilots.aspx [ fcw.com ] http : //www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng \ _20090528 \ _7835.php ? oref = rss [ nextgov.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA seems to be wrong about this including US citizens.
While I think fingerprinting anyone, citizen or not, coming into the country isn't something we should be doing, and certainly not when exiting, the bit about fingerprinting exiting US citizens is found nowhere other than in the article from IT News Australia.
The actual DHS press release is very specific that this is a planned extension to US-VISIT and, as such, only applies to non-US-citizens:http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=AUSASAIR.story&amp;STORY=/www/story/05-28-2009/0005034173&amp;EDATE=THU+May+28+2009,+01:22+PM [prnewswire.com]Several additional articles all clearly indicating that this applies only to non-citizens:http://www.fcw.com/Articles/2009/05/27/Web-US-VISIT-pilots.aspx [fcw.com]http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng\_20090528\_7835.php?oref=rss [nextgov.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132219</id>
	<title>No finger prints?</title>
	<author>bfmorgan</author>
	<datestamp>1243514700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So if I have no hands?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So if I have no hands ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if I have no hands?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132941</id>
	<title>Only affects the poor and middle class.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243518360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not going to fingerprint me flying from the airport in my own plane. Ever ask why all these laws don't affect people with money? Enjoy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not going to fingerprint me flying from the airport in my own plane .
Ever ask why all these laws do n't affect people with money ?
Enjoy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not going to fingerprint me flying from the airport in my own plane.
Ever ask why all these laws don't affect people with money?
Enjoy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28138229</id>
	<title>They do not have my fingerprints ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243609140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is so obviously a play for police power. I would wager a guess that many illegal immigrants do not have their finger prints in the system... Where would they be scanned? In the desert? How is making a catalog of all people leaving the country going to help?</p><p>Consider, every time I leave the country on a commercial airplane, my passport is checked. Do illegal immigrants have US Passports? No - they would be caught way before a need for a finger print scan. This just doesn't make sense.</p><p>My finger prints have NEVER been taken. I have made sure of that. So - does that make me an illegal immigrant? No - just suspicious of too much government.</p><p>Sigh - police state here we come.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is so obviously a play for police power .
I would wager a guess that many illegal immigrants do not have their finger prints in the system... Where would they be scanned ?
In the desert ?
How is making a catalog of all people leaving the country going to help ? Consider , every time I leave the country on a commercial airplane , my passport is checked .
Do illegal immigrants have US Passports ?
No - they would be caught way before a need for a finger print scan .
This just does n't make sense.My finger prints have NEVER been taken .
I have made sure of that .
So - does that make me an illegal immigrant ?
No - just suspicious of too much government.Sigh - police state here we come .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is so obviously a play for police power.
I would wager a guess that many illegal immigrants do not have their finger prints in the system... Where would they be scanned?
In the desert?
How is making a catalog of all people leaving the country going to help?Consider, every time I leave the country on a commercial airplane, my passport is checked.
Do illegal immigrants have US Passports?
No - they would be caught way before a need for a finger print scan.
This just doesn't make sense.My finger prints have NEVER been taken.
I have made sure of that.
So - does that make me an illegal immigrant?
No - just suspicious of too much government.Sigh - police state here we come.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135341</id>
	<title>ERROR IN SUMMARY: THIS IS NOT FOR CITIZENS!</title>
	<author>chainLynx</author>
	<datestamp>1243538100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the linked article: "Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens. This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record."</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the linked article : " Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens .
This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the linked article: "Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens.
This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28141727</id>
	<title>A bet for all takers "threat level" bingo</title>
	<author>RobertLTux</author>
	<datestamp>1243625820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One thing that bugs me is the "threat level" may go up to Red but never goes down below yellow</p><p>So here is my bet we will never see green until a third party president is in office.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing that bugs me is the " threat level " may go up to Red but never goes down below yellowSo here is my bet we will never see green until a third party president is in office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing that bugs me is the "threat level" may go up to Red but never goes down below yellowSo here is my bet we will never see green until a third party president is in office.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132383</id>
	<title>Ya this is kinda scary</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1243515480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Saying who can and can't enter is, well, part of being an nation. I would place it akin to an individual being able to decide who can and can't enter their home. Part of being a sovereign nation is you need to be able to decide who is allowed to come in.</p><p>However not being able to leave? Well again I'd say it is like a private individual and while you can tell me I can't come in to your house, once you've let me in you have to let me out when I want to go. Barriers for exit are things that are normally associated with extremely oppressive societies. The USSR had very strict border control and it was more to keep their populace in than to keep foreigners out. Thus I see this as a step down a very bad path.</p><p>It also raises some serious legal questions for people like me. I am a citizen of two nations, the US and Canada. I have a right to go to either nation. So is it legal for the US to say "No, you can't go to Canada,"? Who are they to tell me I can't go to my country?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Saying who can and ca n't enter is , well , part of being an nation .
I would place it akin to an individual being able to decide who can and ca n't enter their home .
Part of being a sovereign nation is you need to be able to decide who is allowed to come in.However not being able to leave ?
Well again I 'd say it is like a private individual and while you can tell me I ca n't come in to your house , once you 've let me in you have to let me out when I want to go .
Barriers for exit are things that are normally associated with extremely oppressive societies .
The USSR had very strict border control and it was more to keep their populace in than to keep foreigners out .
Thus I see this as a step down a very bad path.It also raises some serious legal questions for people like me .
I am a citizen of two nations , the US and Canada .
I have a right to go to either nation .
So is it legal for the US to say " No , you ca n't go to Canada , " ?
Who are they to tell me I ca n't go to my country ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saying who can and can't enter is, well, part of being an nation.
I would place it akin to an individual being able to decide who can and can't enter their home.
Part of being a sovereign nation is you need to be able to decide who is allowed to come in.However not being able to leave?
Well again I'd say it is like a private individual and while you can tell me I can't come in to your house, once you've let me in you have to let me out when I want to go.
Barriers for exit are things that are normally associated with extremely oppressive societies.
The USSR had very strict border control and it was more to keep their populace in than to keep foreigners out.
Thus I see this as a step down a very bad path.It also raises some serious legal questions for people like me.
I am a citizen of two nations, the US and Canada.
I have a right to go to either nation.
So is it legal for the US to say "No, you can't go to Canada,"?
Who are they to tell me I can't go to my country?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132793</id>
	<title>Re:maybe those who are complaining can explain:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243517640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Love it or leave it!  Oh, wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Love it or leave it !
Oh , wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Love it or leave it!
Oh, wait...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132361</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135441</id>
	<title>Reality Control</title>
	<author>pinkushun</author>
	<datestamp>1243539720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is plusgood doublethink, it's Ingsoc slowly revealing itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is plusgood doublethink , it 's Ingsoc slowly revealing itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is plusgood doublethink, it's Ingsoc slowly revealing itself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28147065</id>
	<title>by now we raised a version ...</title>
	<author>freaker\_TuC</author>
	<datestamp>1243617420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think we've had v2.0 in beta for 8 years...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think we 've had v2.0 in beta for 8 years.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think we've had v2.0 in beta for 8 years...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132759</id>
	<title>Re:maybe those who are complaining can explain:</title>
	<author>msimm</author>
	<datestamp>1243517460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't wait until we can view ads from sponsors during the scanning. Hope you enjoyed your visit! And Drink Pepsi!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't wait until we can view ads from sponsors during the scanning .
Hope you enjoyed your visit !
And Drink Pepsi !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't wait until we can view ads from sponsors during the scanning.
Hope you enjoyed your visit!
And Drink Pepsi!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132361</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132905</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Ned Fletcher</author>
	<datestamp>1243518180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>"We are trying to ensure we know more about who came and who left," [Michael Hardin] said. "We have a large population of illegal immigrants in the United States - we want to make sure the person getting on the plane really is the person the records show to be leaving."</p></div><p>huh?  so the epidemic of people pretending to leave the country on commercial flights by booking flights and sending doppelgangers in their place is finally over!  rejoice Americans!  we are all now super safe!</p></div><p>"Tell it to Queen Dopplepopolis!"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" We are trying to ensure we know more about who came and who left , " [ Michael Hardin ] said .
" We have a large population of illegal immigrants in the United States - we want to make sure the person getting on the plane really is the person the records show to be leaving. " huh ?
so the epidemic of people pretending to leave the country on commercial flights by booking flights and sending doppelgangers in their place is finally over !
rejoice Americans !
we are all now super safe !
" Tell it to Queen Dopplepopolis !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We are trying to ensure we know more about who came and who left," [Michael Hardin] said.
"We have a large population of illegal immigrants in the United States - we want to make sure the person getting on the plane really is the person the records show to be leaving."huh?
so the epidemic of people pretending to leave the country on commercial flights by booking flights and sending doppelgangers in their place is finally over!
rejoice Americans!
we are all now super safe!
"Tell it to Queen Dopplepopolis!
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132079</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28137383</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>Acer500</author>
	<datestamp>1243604760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You know, I'm a Canadian, and ten years ago, I would have voted to join the US... How could y'all have just let this happen ?</p></div><p>Sadly, Canada isn't that much better. As a Uruguayan traveling to Canada I had to present all kinds of documents to your country to convince them I wasn't staying... and, though they did issue a visa, they made it a one-trip-only visa, which means I'm not going again, as it's not worth it (if the visa issued was for multiple visits, I probably would have gone again).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I 'm a Canadian , and ten years ago , I would have voted to join the US... How could y'all have just let this happen ? Sadly , Canada is n't that much better .
As a Uruguayan traveling to Canada I had to present all kinds of documents to your country to convince them I was n't staying... and , though they did issue a visa , they made it a one-trip-only visa , which means I 'm not going again , as it 's not worth it ( if the visa issued was for multiple visits , I probably would have gone again ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I'm a Canadian, and ten years ago, I would have voted to join the US... How could y'all have just let this happen ?Sadly, Canada isn't that much better.
As a Uruguayan traveling to Canada I had to present all kinds of documents to your country to convince them I wasn't staying... and, though they did issue a visa, they made it a one-trip-only visa, which means I'm not going again, as it's not worth it (if the visa issued was for multiple visits, I probably would have gone again).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132341</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28140917</id>
	<title>That would be a violation of my rights</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243622580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That would be a violation of my rights as a Canadan citizen. I will not be entering the US if they're going to fingerprint me and I am sure as hell not letting them fingerprint me on my way out (what are they going to do, not let me out of the country, fine - it worked out rather well for Tom Hanks if I recall correctly). I will take my skillset and my vacation money to a country that values my rights and freedoms, thank you very much. Land of the free, yeah right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be a violation of my rights as a Canadan citizen .
I will not be entering the US if they 're going to fingerprint me and I am sure as hell not letting them fingerprint me on my way out ( what are they going to do , not let me out of the country , fine - it worked out rather well for Tom Hanks if I recall correctly ) .
I will take my skillset and my vacation money to a country that values my rights and freedoms , thank you very much .
Land of the free , yeah right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be a violation of my rights as a Canadan citizen.
I will not be entering the US if they're going to fingerprint me and I am sure as hell not letting them fingerprint me on my way out (what are they going to do, not let me out of the country, fine - it worked out rather well for Tom Hanks if I recall correctly).
I will take my skillset and my vacation money to a country that values my rights and freedoms, thank you very much.
Land of the free, yeah right.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28140891</id>
	<title>Re:Ya this is kinda scary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243622460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>So is it legal for the US to say "No, you can't go to Canada,"?</i></p><p>Yes.</p><p><i>Who are they to tell me I can't go to my country?</i></p><p>They would not be saying that. They would be saying "You cannot <b>leave</b> your country". That's the double edged sword of dual nationality, and you are still American. You are bound by both sets of laws. When I became a dual national by taking Canadian citizenship (I am also a Brit), I was told quite categorically that while I enjoy the protection of all that Canadian citizenship brings, I am not protected against UK laws - I am still bound by them and the only way Canada will help be out (for example if some weird laws change and Britain decides to draft me into the military) is if I renounce my British citizenship.</p><p>IANAL, BTW. Usual caveats etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So is it legal for the US to say " No , you ca n't go to Canada , " ? Yes.Who are they to tell me I ca n't go to my country ? They would not be saying that .
They would be saying " You can not leave your country " .
That 's the double edged sword of dual nationality , and you are still American .
You are bound by both sets of laws .
When I became a dual national by taking Canadian citizenship ( I am also a Brit ) , I was told quite categorically that while I enjoy the protection of all that Canadian citizenship brings , I am not protected against UK laws - I am still bound by them and the only way Canada will help be out ( for example if some weird laws change and Britain decides to draft me into the military ) is if I renounce my British citizenship.IANAL , BTW .
Usual caveats etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So is it legal for the US to say "No, you can't go to Canada,"?Yes.Who are they to tell me I can't go to my country?They would not be saying that.
They would be saying "You cannot leave your country".
That's the double edged sword of dual nationality, and you are still American.
You are bound by both sets of laws.
When I became a dual national by taking Canadian citizenship (I am also a Brit), I was told quite categorically that while I enjoy the protection of all that Canadian citizenship brings, I am not protected against UK laws - I am still bound by them and the only way Canada will help be out (for example if some weird laws change and Britain decides to draft me into the military) is if I renounce my British citizenship.IANAL, BTW.
Usual caveats etc.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132383</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28137163</id>
	<title>Original article updated - NOT U.S. citizens</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243603560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article now contains this note:</p><p>"Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens. This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record."</p><p>That makes a bit more sense, since they were already fingerprinting non-U.S. citizens inbound.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article now contains this note : " Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens .
This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record .
" That makes a bit more sense , since they were already fingerprinting non-U.S. citizens inbound .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article now contains this note:"Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens.
This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record.
"That makes a bit more sense, since they were already fingerprinting non-U.S. citizens inbound.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28204147</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244035860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bill,</p><p>Have you ever considered getting a <i>life coach</i>?  I think you could seriously benefit from one.  Just think about it.</p><p>-Josh</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bill,Have you ever considered getting a life coach ?
I think you could seriously benefit from one .
Just think about it.-Josh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bill,Have you ever considered getting a life coach?
I think you could seriously benefit from one.
Just think about it.-Josh</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132947</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132929</id>
	<title>Re:Honestly, what's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243518360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>statist assholes like you are the reason we have a DHS in the first place. people with warrants out aren't going to use normal channels anyway.  they'll find another way out. the only thing this does is punish the law abiding citizen</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>statist assholes like you are the reason we have a DHS in the first place .
people with warrants out are n't going to use normal channels anyway .
they 'll find another way out .
the only thing this does is punish the law abiding citizen</tokentext>
<sentencetext>statist assholes like you are the reason we have a DHS in the first place.
people with warrants out aren't going to use normal channels anyway.
they'll find another way out.
the only thing this does is punish the law abiding citizen</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132237</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133467</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>morgan\_greywolf</author>
	<datestamp>1243521720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, we'll fight for our freedom alright.  Just give it a little more time... keep taking away our rights.  Watch what happens.  All I know is, I don't want any part of it because it's going to be very, very ugly.  Don't believe me?  Read <a href="http://hecatedemetersdatter.blogspot.com/2009/04/shameless.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">this wacko</a> [blogspot.com].  Don't think she's credible?  There's a hundred thousand more out there, each with a different agenda.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , we 'll fight for our freedom alright .
Just give it a little more time... keep taking away our rights .
Watch what happens .
All I know is , I do n't want any part of it because it 's going to be very , very ugly .
Do n't believe me ?
Read this wacko [ blogspot.com ] .
Do n't think she 's credible ?
There 's a hundred thousand more out there , each with a different agenda .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, we'll fight for our freedom alright.
Just give it a little more time... keep taking away our rights.
Watch what happens.
All I know is, I don't want any part of it because it's going to be very, very ugly.
Don't believe me?
Read this wacko [blogspot.com].
Don't think she's credible?
There's a hundred thousand more out there, each with a different agenda.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132341</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28137869</id>
	<title>Re:Barriers to leaving a country</title>
	<author>bleh-of-the-huns</author>
	<datestamp>1243607640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No idea about other countries, but the US makes you sign a form that states you understand that you stayed beyond the time allowed by the visa.  That is kept on record in case you want to return to the US and will be used in the decision on whether or not to grant you a visa again.</p><p>My cousin, from South Africa (his brother lives in NY legally and is a citizen now) decided shortly after 9/11 to leave the US voluntarily, as he had been in the US illegally for about 4 years, he only had a 3 month tourist visa.  At some point he wants to move here, his brother will sponsor him (or I will), so leaving voluntarily as opposed to being rounded up at some point and deported was his only choice.  They basically made him sign a form that he realized being in the US past his visa was wrong, and that it may or not may affect his chances in the future, but leaving of his own volition was his best option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No idea about other countries , but the US makes you sign a form that states you understand that you stayed beyond the time allowed by the visa .
That is kept on record in case you want to return to the US and will be used in the decision on whether or not to grant you a visa again.My cousin , from South Africa ( his brother lives in NY legally and is a citizen now ) decided shortly after 9/11 to leave the US voluntarily , as he had been in the US illegally for about 4 years , he only had a 3 month tourist visa .
At some point he wants to move here , his brother will sponsor him ( or I will ) , so leaving voluntarily as opposed to being rounded up at some point and deported was his only choice .
They basically made him sign a form that he realized being in the US past his visa was wrong , and that it may or not may affect his chances in the future , but leaving of his own volition was his best option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No idea about other countries, but the US makes you sign a form that states you understand that you stayed beyond the time allowed by the visa.
That is kept on record in case you want to return to the US and will be used in the decision on whether or not to grant you a visa again.My cousin, from South Africa (his brother lives in NY legally and is a citizen now) decided shortly after 9/11 to leave the US voluntarily, as he had been in the US illegally for about 4 years, he only had a 3 month tourist visa.
At some point he wants to move here, his brother will sponsor him (or I will), so leaving voluntarily as opposed to being rounded up at some point and deported was his only choice.
They basically made him sign a form that he realized being in the US past his visa was wrong, and that it may or not may affect his chances in the future, but leaving of his own volition was his best option.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132335</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135879</id>
	<title>Re:Won't work</title>
	<author>VShael</author>
	<datestamp>1243587720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>This leaves two options: either these guys are really stupid, or the real goal is different from the stated goal.</i></p><p>Or both.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This leaves two options : either these guys are really stupid , or the real goal is different from the stated goal.Or both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This leaves two options: either these guys are really stupid, or the real goal is different from the stated goal.Or both.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132099</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132595</id>
	<title>Re:What if you refuse?</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1243516620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>LOL I once met this guy from El Salvador who was in the US illegaly working.  After a while, he got sick of it and wanted to go home.  Around that time he saw some immigration officers walking down the street, and announced, "I am here illegaly!  Send me home!"   They laughed and told him to work and get his own ticket.  So he gave up and did.</htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL I once met this guy from El Salvador who was in the US illegaly working .
After a while , he got sick of it and wanted to go home .
Around that time he saw some immigration officers walking down the street , and announced , " I am here illegaly !
Send me home !
" They laughed and told him to work and get his own ticket .
So he gave up and did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL I once met this guy from El Salvador who was in the US illegaly working.
After a while, he got sick of it and wanted to go home.
Around that time he saw some immigration officers walking down the street, and announced, "I am here illegaly!
Send me home!
"   They laughed and told him to work and get his own ticket.
So he gave up and did.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132277</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132005</id>
	<title>fp</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243513680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>eay my asshole, you fags!</htmltext>
<tokenext>eay my asshole , you fags !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eay my asshole, you fags!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133247</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1243519980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You know, I hate what's going on in America but your cowardly post is bullshit. I traveled to Canada (Winnipeg via North Dakota to be exact) in 2006 and while I had absolutely ZERO issues getting back into the US (I was actually surprised--weren't we trying to keep terrorists out?) getting into Canada was a fucking pain in the ass.</p></div><p>Do you see him saying Canada is better?  If Canada was better, then why did he want to join the US 10 years ago?  Obviously Canada sucked then too, just now the US sucks as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I hate what 's going on in America but your cowardly post is bullshit .
I traveled to Canada ( Winnipeg via North Dakota to be exact ) in 2006 and while I had absolutely ZERO issues getting back into the US ( I was actually surprised--were n't we trying to keep terrorists out ?
) getting into Canada was a fucking pain in the ass.Do you see him saying Canada is better ?
If Canada was better , then why did he want to join the US 10 years ago ?
Obviously Canada sucked then too , just now the US sucks as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I hate what's going on in America but your cowardly post is bullshit.
I traveled to Canada (Winnipeg via North Dakota to be exact) in 2006 and while I had absolutely ZERO issues getting back into the US (I was actually surprised--weren't we trying to keep terrorists out?
) getting into Canada was a fucking pain in the ass.Do you see him saying Canada is better?
If Canada was better, then why did he want to join the US 10 years ago?
Obviously Canada sucked then too, just now the US sucks as well.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132947</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28136361</id>
	<title>what its really about....secretly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243594140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>seems that hollywood wants to make sure your not leaving with something.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>seems that hollywood wants to make sure your not leaving with something.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>seems that hollywood wants to make sure your not leaving with something.....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132847</id>
	<title>Re:maybe those who are complaining can explain:</title>
	<author>MaskedSlacker</author>
	<datestamp>1243517880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Precisely because of shit like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Precisely because of shit like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Precisely because of shit like this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132361</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28142295</id>
	<title>Re:What if you refuse?</title>
	<author>againjj</author>
	<datestamp>1243628100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They can't even do that.  They can revoke permanent residence for that, but not citizenship.  For citizenship, only things like treason will get you -- even lying on the application is not sufficient grounds any longer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They ca n't even do that .
They can revoke permanent residence for that , but not citizenship .
For citizenship , only things like treason will get you -- even lying on the application is not sufficient grounds any longer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can't even do that.
They can revoke permanent residence for that, but not citizenship.
For citizenship, only things like treason will get you -- even lying on the application is not sufficient grounds any longer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132777</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132707</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>arthurpaliden</author>
	<datestamp>1243517160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>"How could y'all have just let this happen ?"</i> </p><p>
To see how it happened rent the movie "V for Vendeta".  It explains it quite nicely.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" How could y'all have just let this happen ?
" To see how it happened rent the movie " V for Vendeta " .
It explains it quite nicely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "How could y'all have just let this happen ?
" 
To see how it happened rent the movie "V for Vendeta".
It explains it quite nicely.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132341</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132073</id>
	<title>allegedly hatched under the Bush Administration???</title>
	<author>Nutria</author>
	<datestamp>1243513980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obama's only been in office for 4 months and W for 8 years.</p><p>Who else could have come up with this plan?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama 's only been in office for 4 months and W for 8 years.Who else could have come up with this plan ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama's only been in office for 4 months and W for 8 years.Who else could have come up with this plan?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28146097</id>
	<title>Re:Barriers to leaving a country</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243605900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The discrimination goes deeper than being just at border control points. One of the most notorious examples in recent years was the case of the law-abiding Canadian academic <a href="http://noiman.com/gefaengnisd.html" title="noiman.com" rel="nofollow">arrested and held in jail, mostly incommunicado, for 23 days after a mistaken presumed criminal association</a> [noiman.com]. </p><p>And <a href="http://www.debito.org/index.html?p=1437" title="debito.org" rel="nofollow">"What not to do if arrested in Japan"</a> [debito.org]. </p><p>Hope that helps if you or anybody you know ever visits Japan!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The discrimination goes deeper than being just at border control points .
One of the most notorious examples in recent years was the case of the law-abiding Canadian academic arrested and held in jail , mostly incommunicado , for 23 days after a mistaken presumed criminal association [ noiman.com ] .
And " What not to do if arrested in Japan " [ debito.org ] .
Hope that helps if you or anybody you know ever visits Japan !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The discrimination goes deeper than being just at border control points.
One of the most notorious examples in recent years was the case of the law-abiding Canadian academic arrested and held in jail, mostly incommunicado, for 23 days after a mistaken presumed criminal association [noiman.com].
And "What not to do if arrested in Japan" [debito.org].
Hope that helps if you or anybody you know ever visits Japan!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132873</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132341</id>
	<title>what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243515360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, I'm a Canadian, and ten years ago, I would have voted to join the US. I felt that Americans recognised the value of their freedoms and that they had, and would fight to keep, a more free society than just about anywhere else on Earth. Today, I won't even travel there. It reminds me of all those B movies just after WW2 "Achtung! Show me your papers". How could y'all have just let this happen ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I 'm a Canadian , and ten years ago , I would have voted to join the US .
I felt that Americans recognised the value of their freedoms and that they had , and would fight to keep , a more free society than just about anywhere else on Earth .
Today , I wo n't even travel there .
It reminds me of all those B movies just after WW2 " Achtung !
Show me your papers " .
How could y'all have just let this happen ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I'm a Canadian, and ten years ago, I would have voted to join the US.
I felt that Americans recognised the value of their freedoms and that they had, and would fight to keep, a more free society than just about anywhere else on Earth.
Today, I won't even travel there.
It reminds me of all those B movies just after WW2 "Achtung!
Show me your papers".
How could y'all have just let this happen ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132265</id>
	<title>Re:Barriers to leaving a country</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243515000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Welcome to East Germany 2.0!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to East Germany 2.0 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to East Germany 2.0!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132947</id>
	<title>Re:what a difference 10 years make</title>
	<author>garcia</author>
	<datestamp>1243518420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, I hate what's going on in America but your cowardly post is bullshit. I traveled to Canada (Winnipeg via North Dakota to be exact) in 2006 and while I had absolutely ZERO issues getting back into the US (I was actually surprised--weren't we trying to keep terrorists out?) getting into Canada was a fucking pain in the ass.</p><p>1. We were detained at the border.</p><p>2. We were made to wait for 60 minutes next to three shady looking motherfuckers (who fit the racial profile of those the US would detain) while the border agents stood around and talked amongst themselves.</p><p>3. The three shady fucks were questioned in the back. Eventually they were all called to the front one at a time. Each was told, "you said you were never convicted but records from the MN State Patrol say foo foo and foo. Don't lie to a border agent. You may enter the country." (all three had some sort of conviction including a DUI which is grounds for being barred from entering Canada and indecent exposure which the guy argued had been expunged). They were free to enter Canada without any further complications.</p><p>4. We were also questioned separately. They asked me 20 or so questions about why I was planning on entering Canada (we were going geocaching).</p><p>5. We were detained further as they searched our entire vehicle for the next 30 or so minutes (they didn't do this to the douchebags who LIED TO THE BORDER AGENTS). We were finally allowed to pass into Canada after nearly two hours.</p><p>---</p><p>On our way home they asked to see our birth certificates, IDs, and/or passports. We were asked how long we were in Canada, why, and after explaining what geocaching was in general terms we were on our way. 10 minutes tops.</p><p>Yeah, so the US is just so much more scary. Give me a fucking break.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I hate what 's going on in America but your cowardly post is bullshit .
I traveled to Canada ( Winnipeg via North Dakota to be exact ) in 2006 and while I had absolutely ZERO issues getting back into the US ( I was actually surprised--were n't we trying to keep terrorists out ?
) getting into Canada was a fucking pain in the ass.1 .
We were detained at the border.2 .
We were made to wait for 60 minutes next to three shady looking motherfuckers ( who fit the racial profile of those the US would detain ) while the border agents stood around and talked amongst themselves.3 .
The three shady fucks were questioned in the back .
Eventually they were all called to the front one at a time .
Each was told , " you said you were never convicted but records from the MN State Patrol say foo foo and foo .
Do n't lie to a border agent .
You may enter the country .
" ( all three had some sort of conviction including a DUI which is grounds for being barred from entering Canada and indecent exposure which the guy argued had been expunged ) .
They were free to enter Canada without any further complications.4 .
We were also questioned separately .
They asked me 20 or so questions about why I was planning on entering Canada ( we were going geocaching ) .5 .
We were detained further as they searched our entire vehicle for the next 30 or so minutes ( they did n't do this to the douchebags who LIED TO THE BORDER AGENTS ) .
We were finally allowed to pass into Canada after nearly two hours.---On our way home they asked to see our birth certificates , IDs , and/or passports .
We were asked how long we were in Canada , why , and after explaining what geocaching was in general terms we were on our way .
10 minutes tops.Yeah , so the US is just so much more scary .
Give me a fucking break .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I hate what's going on in America but your cowardly post is bullshit.
I traveled to Canada (Winnipeg via North Dakota to be exact) in 2006 and while I had absolutely ZERO issues getting back into the US (I was actually surprised--weren't we trying to keep terrorists out?
) getting into Canada was a fucking pain in the ass.1.
We were detained at the border.2.
We were made to wait for 60 minutes next to three shady looking motherfuckers (who fit the racial profile of those the US would detain) while the border agents stood around and talked amongst themselves.3.
The three shady fucks were questioned in the back.
Eventually they were all called to the front one at a time.
Each was told, "you said you were never convicted but records from the MN State Patrol say foo foo and foo.
Don't lie to a border agent.
You may enter the country.
" (all three had some sort of conviction including a DUI which is grounds for being barred from entering Canada and indecent exposure which the guy argued had been expunged).
They were free to enter Canada without any further complications.4.
We were also questioned separately.
They asked me 20 or so questions about why I was planning on entering Canada (we were going geocaching).5.
We were detained further as they searched our entire vehicle for the next 30 or so minutes (they didn't do this to the douchebags who LIED TO THE BORDER AGENTS).
We were finally allowed to pass into Canada after nearly two hours.---On our way home they asked to see our birth certificates, IDs, and/or passports.
We were asked how long we were in Canada, why, and after explaining what geocaching was in general terms we were on our way.
10 minutes tops.Yeah, so the US is just so much more scary.
Give me a fucking break.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132341</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28136069</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243590240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone read the article, and editors note?? "Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens. This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone read the article , and editors note ? ?
" Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens .
This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone read the article, and editors note??
"Editors Note - This story originally contained a representation that the biometrics trial in Atlanta and Detroit included the fingerprint scanning of US citizens.
This has since been proved to be incorrect and the story has been modified - only non-US citizens will be expected to provide a biometric record.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28137033</id>
	<title>unconstitutional</title>
	<author>DragonTHC</author>
	<datestamp>1243602600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This violates the 4th amendment of the constitution.</p><p>This is an unreasonable search.  When you refuse, they will help you with an unreasonable seizure.</p><p>They have absolutely no probable cause.  It's a wide dragnet that is illegal and unconstitutional.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This violates the 4th amendment of the constitution.This is an unreasonable search .
When you refuse , they will help you with an unreasonable seizure.They have absolutely no probable cause .
It 's a wide dragnet that is illegal and unconstitutional .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This violates the 4th amendment of the constitution.This is an unreasonable search.
When you refuse, they will help you with an unreasonable seizure.They have absolutely no probable cause.
It's a wide dragnet that is illegal and unconstitutional.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28140717</id>
	<title>Civil Rights</title>
	<author>Peteyo311</author>
	<datestamp>1243621740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First off most people in the United States do not have their fingerprints on file anywhere.  So I think this is just a very sneaky way (since airports already have security measures) to create a record of even more peoples fingerprints.
     The Problem I have is not that I have is when people will start to be wrongly accused because now their prints are being found at crime scenes of people they know.  For example lets say a friend of mines' house was broken into and now because my prints are now in a file somewhere, I get wrongly accused.  Or even worse I was working at a Lowe's and was the cashier for someone who purchased fertilizer or other materials for a bomb   ; if my prints matched I'm suddenly under suspicion.  Sure my alibi (if in fact I have one and was not at home by myself posting comments on some website)  would check out but now I'm dragged into a mess I have no buisiness being in.
     So I'm of the opinion this is just another step towards George Orwell's 1984.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First off most people in the United States do not have their fingerprints on file anywhere .
So I think this is just a very sneaky way ( since airports already have security measures ) to create a record of even more peoples fingerprints .
The Problem I have is not that I have is when people will start to be wrongly accused because now their prints are being found at crime scenes of people they know .
For example lets say a friend of mines ' house was broken into and now because my prints are now in a file somewhere , I get wrongly accused .
Or even worse I was working at a Lowe 's and was the cashier for someone who purchased fertilizer or other materials for a bomb ; if my prints matched I 'm suddenly under suspicion .
Sure my alibi ( if in fact I have one and was not at home by myself posting comments on some website ) would check out but now I 'm dragged into a mess I have no buisiness being in .
So I 'm of the opinion this is just another step towards George Orwell 's 1984 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off most people in the United States do not have their fingerprints on file anywhere.
So I think this is just a very sneaky way (since airports already have security measures) to create a record of even more peoples fingerprints.
The Problem I have is not that I have is when people will start to be wrongly accused because now their prints are being found at crime scenes of people they know.
For example lets say a friend of mines' house was broken into and now because my prints are now in a file somewhere, I get wrongly accused.
Or even worse I was working at a Lowe's and was the cashier for someone who purchased fertilizer or other materials for a bomb   ; if my prints matched I'm suddenly under suspicion.
Sure my alibi (if in fact I have one and was not at home by myself posting comments on some website)  would check out but now I'm dragged into a mess I have no buisiness being in.
So I'm of the opinion this is just another step towards George Orwell's 1984.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132521</id>
	<title>/. identifies the problem and gives the solution!</title>
	<author>pbrooks100</author>
	<datestamp>1243516320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Time to start taking capecitabine...

<a href="http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/28/1617225&amp;from=rss" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/28/1617225&amp;from=rss</a> [slashdot.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Time to start taking capecitabine.. . http : //science.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 09/05/28/1617225&amp;from = rss [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time to start taking capecitabine...

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/28/1617225&amp;from=rss [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132691</id>
	<title>"Partially" used?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243517040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They will partially be used to control illegal immigration? What else will they "partially" be used for?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They will partially be used to control illegal immigration ?
What else will they " partially " be used for ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They will partially be used to control illegal immigration?
What else will they "partially" be used for?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132025</id>
	<title>Idiocy</title>
	<author>vux984</author>
	<datestamp>1243513740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"An official has said it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal immigrants"</p><p>Why not just let them leave? And bar them when they try to come back. What is the point of catching someone you don't want in the country when they are leaving it??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" An official has said it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal immigrants " Why not just let them leave ?
And bar them when they try to come back .
What is the point of catching someone you do n't want in the country when they are leaving it ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"An official has said it will be used in part to crack down on the US population of illegal immigrants"Why not just let them leave?
And bar them when they try to come back.
What is the point of catching someone you don't want in the country when they are leaving it?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133415</id>
	<title>CRITICAL ERROR IN ARTICLE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243521300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These following storys all say "FOREIGNERS" and do not say US Citizens will be fingerprinted. Perhaps this was a mistake in the article submitted:</p><p>http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0509/0502809cdpm3.htm</p><p>http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-05-27-voa55.cfm</p><p>http://www.azstarnet.com/news/294712</p><p>http://fcw.com/articles/2009/05/27/web-us-visit-pilots.aspx</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These following storys all say " FOREIGNERS " and do not say US Citizens will be fingerprinted .
Perhaps this was a mistake in the article submitted : http : //www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0509/0502809cdpm3.htmhttp : //www.voanews.com/english/2009-05-27-voa55.cfmhttp : //www.azstarnet.com/news/294712http : //fcw.com/articles/2009/05/27/web-us-visit-pilots.aspx</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These following storys all say "FOREIGNERS" and do not say US Citizens will be fingerprinted.
Perhaps this was a mistake in the article submitted:http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0509/0502809cdpm3.htmhttp://www.voanews.com/english/2009-05-27-voa55.cfmhttp://www.azstarnet.com/news/294712http://fcw.com/articles/2009/05/27/web-us-visit-pilots.aspx</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28142339</id>
	<title>Re:Barriers to leaving a country</title>
	<author>againjj</author>
	<datestamp>1243628280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They don't stop you from leaving, they just want to notice you on the way out.  Then you are in the database for the future.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't stop you from leaving , they just want to notice you on the way out .
Then you are in the database for the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't stop you from leaving, they just want to notice you on the way out.
Then you are in the database for the future.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132637</id>
	<title>Re:Barriers to leaving a country</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1243516800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But that one is not designed to keep ppl in. Anybody can illegally cross over into Mexico with little hassle, just a little walk in the desert. And you will NOT be stopped by American police. OTH, if you are picked up by Mexican police, you wish that you were in American prisons instead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But that one is not designed to keep ppl in .
Anybody can illegally cross over into Mexico with little hassle , just a little walk in the desert .
And you will NOT be stopped by American police .
OTH , if you are picked up by Mexican police , you wish that you were in American prisons instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But that one is not designed to keep ppl in.
Anybody can illegally cross over into Mexico with little hassle, just a little walk in the desert.
And you will NOT be stopped by American police.
OTH, if you are picked up by Mexican police, you wish that you were in American prisons instead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133411</id>
	<title>Re:Won't work</title>
	<author>Extremus</author>
	<datestamp>1243521300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I did. Nice to meet you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did .
Nice to meet you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did.
Nice to meet you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132099</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135697</id>
	<title>Kiss my ass and my dollars goodbye</title>
	<author>Stu101</author>
	<datestamp>1243628940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are they trying to deter visitors with $$ from visiting?</p><p>My SO is 30 next year and I thought that now Bush has gone etc, I could lift my own personal no visit status of the US. Do it big, splurge lots of cash on casinos, shopping, nice hotels etc</p><p>Now there is NO chance I am coming. Why should I give them my fingerprints when I am leaving the place FFS. I wouldn't ne a troublemaker, but its a point of principle. What business does the US gvt have with my foreign fingerprints ? None that is reasonable!</p><p>So in real terms (and I am sure any other geeks will feel similar) I am not visiting your ever increasing police state! This means that they won't get our tourism $ and we will just party somewhere else instead and the economys that would have benefited in a time of need, don't.</p><p>Unfortunatly, the morons that do disneyland won't care. So the potential effect is minimal, but still noticable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are they trying to deter visitors with $ $ from visiting ? My SO is 30 next year and I thought that now Bush has gone etc , I could lift my own personal no visit status of the US .
Do it big , splurge lots of cash on casinos , shopping , nice hotels etcNow there is NO chance I am coming .
Why should I give them my fingerprints when I am leaving the place FFS .
I would n't ne a troublemaker , but its a point of principle .
What business does the US gvt have with my foreign fingerprints ?
None that is reasonable ! So in real terms ( and I am sure any other geeks will feel similar ) I am not visiting your ever increasing police state !
This means that they wo n't get our tourism $ and we will just party somewhere else instead and the economys that would have benefited in a time of need , do n't.Unfortunatly , the morons that do disneyland wo n't care .
So the potential effect is minimal , but still noticable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are they trying to deter visitors with $$ from visiting?My SO is 30 next year and I thought that now Bush has gone etc, I could lift my own personal no visit status of the US.
Do it big, splurge lots of cash on casinos, shopping, nice hotels etcNow there is NO chance I am coming.
Why should I give them my fingerprints when I am leaving the place FFS.
I wouldn't ne a troublemaker, but its a point of principle.
What business does the US gvt have with my foreign fingerprints ?
None that is reasonable!So in real terms (and I am sure any other geeks will feel similar) I am not visiting your ever increasing police state!
This means that they won't get our tourism $ and we will just party somewhere else instead and the economys that would have benefited in a time of need, don't.Unfortunatly, the morons that do disneyland won't care.
So the potential effect is minimal, but still noticable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134849</id>
	<title>Re:What if you refuse?</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1243533060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>When you come in to the US, they tell you that you don't have to comply with the checks, but that if you don't you can't enter. So what if you refuse to comply with that one? You can't leave?</i></p><p>Yep, you have to stay at the airport for several years and Tom Hanks stars in <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0362227/" title="imdb.com">a really boring film about your time there</a> [imdb.com]. Please, comply with the searches so we don't have to sit through another movie like this!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you come in to the US , they tell you that you do n't have to comply with the checks , but that if you do n't you ca n't enter .
So what if you refuse to comply with that one ?
You ca n't leave ? Yep , you have to stay at the airport for several years and Tom Hanks stars in a really boring film about your time there [ imdb.com ] .
Please , comply with the searches so we do n't have to sit through another movie like this !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you come in to the US, they tell you that you don't have to comply with the checks, but that if you don't you can't enter.
So what if you refuse to comply with that one?
You can't leave?Yep, you have to stay at the airport for several years and Tom Hanks stars in a really boring film about your time there [imdb.com].
Please, comply with the searches so we don't have to sit through another movie like this!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132277</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133717</id>
	<title>Misleading summary &amp; story!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243523760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The actual press release issued by DHS makes no mention of fingerprinting US citizens upon departure:</p><p>http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS202520+28-May-2009+PRN20090528</p><p>Only non-US citizens are to be fingerprinted as of today.</p><p>TFA mentions "a plan" by the Bush administration to fingerprint US citizens as well, but it's not being implemented.</p><p>(Yet.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The actual press release issued by DHS makes no mention of fingerprinting US citizens upon departure : http : //www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS202520 + 28-May-2009 + PRN20090528Only non-US citizens are to be fingerprinted as of today.TFA mentions " a plan " by the Bush administration to fingerprint US citizens as well , but it 's not being implemented. ( Yet .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The actual press release issued by DHS makes no mention of fingerprinting US citizens upon departure:http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS202520+28-May-2009+PRN20090528Only non-US citizens are to be fingerprinted as of today.TFA mentions "a plan" by the Bush administration to fingerprint US citizens as well, but it's not being implemented.(Yet.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28135031</id>
	<title>Techology is not a good solution</title>
	<author>jandersen</author>
	<datestamp>1243534740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that America is always trying to solve all problems with technology rather than simply learning to avoid the problems in the first place. The problem with technology is that it will always be too easy to circumvent - it is never going to be entirely watertight.</p><p>Of course that is not always a problem, if what you are trying to achieve is simply to reduce the size of a problem; but since we are talking Homeland Security, ie trying to stop terrorism, how likely is that to be entirely successful? To paraphrase Terry Pratchett - the terrorists only need to lucky once, but America needs to be lucky every time.</p><p>What makes it seem even more futile is that there is a much cheaper and more effective alternative: why not try to be more of a friend to those in need? The biggest help terrorists have is that they can point their finger at America and say "The Big Satan".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that America is always trying to solve all problems with technology rather than simply learning to avoid the problems in the first place .
The problem with technology is that it will always be too easy to circumvent - it is never going to be entirely watertight.Of course that is not always a problem , if what you are trying to achieve is simply to reduce the size of a problem ; but since we are talking Homeland Security , ie trying to stop terrorism , how likely is that to be entirely successful ?
To paraphrase Terry Pratchett - the terrorists only need to lucky once , but America needs to be lucky every time.What makes it seem even more futile is that there is a much cheaper and more effective alternative : why not try to be more of a friend to those in need ?
The biggest help terrorists have is that they can point their finger at America and say " The Big Satan " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that America is always trying to solve all problems with technology rather than simply learning to avoid the problems in the first place.
The problem with technology is that it will always be too easy to circumvent - it is never going to be entirely watertight.Of course that is not always a problem, if what you are trying to achieve is simply to reduce the size of a problem; but since we are talking Homeland Security, ie trying to stop terrorism, how likely is that to be entirely successful?
To paraphrase Terry Pratchett - the terrorists only need to lucky once, but America needs to be lucky every time.What makes it seem even more futile is that there is a much cheaper and more effective alternative: why not try to be more of a friend to those in need?
The biggest help terrorists have is that they can point their finger at America and say "The Big Satan".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133851</id>
	<title>Re:Can't wait for the first 'catch'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243524720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actually it will play out more like :<br>Traveler/Illegal immigrant: Sooooo... since I'm not allowed to be in this country, do you want me to get on my plane and leave, or what?<br>Brave Homeland Security Officer: Yes! But only after 8 months in a DHS reeducation camp<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...err... prison ! That'll teach you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually it will play out more like : Traveler/Illegal immigrant : Sooooo... since I 'm not allowed to be in this country , do you want me to get on my plane and leave , or what ? Brave Homeland Security Officer : Yes !
But only after 8 months in a DHS reeducation camp ...err... prison !
That 'll teach you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually it will play out more like :Traveler/Illegal immigrant: Sooooo... since I'm not allowed to be in this country, do you want me to get on my plane and leave, or what?Brave Homeland Security Officer: Yes!
But only after 8 months in a DHS reeducation camp ...err... prison !
That'll teach you!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132465</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28136107</id>
	<title>This is mindboggling...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243590780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All this talk about keeping people in, police states, and how much freedom we are losing in the USA...</p><p>It doesn't make sense people.  More specifically, it has nothing to do with what TFA is about.</p><p>Not all illegal immigrants swim through a sewer drain to get here.  Some people pay other people to get them here, by providing identities and getting them here by any means.  These identities are usually stolen or completely fabricated.</p><p>That's all they want to prevent.  That's the entire purpose of this system.  Yes, they will take your fingerprint.  So does your bank.  And for the same reason, to make sure it's you.</p><p>Most of you read the headline, saw that this plan was hatched under Bush and starting going Olbermann on way too many tangents.  It's far simpler than that, really.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All this talk about keeping people in , police states , and how much freedom we are losing in the USA...It does n't make sense people .
More specifically , it has nothing to do with what TFA is about.Not all illegal immigrants swim through a sewer drain to get here .
Some people pay other people to get them here , by providing identities and getting them here by any means .
These identities are usually stolen or completely fabricated.That 's all they want to prevent .
That 's the entire purpose of this system .
Yes , they will take your fingerprint .
So does your bank .
And for the same reason , to make sure it 's you.Most of you read the headline , saw that this plan was hatched under Bush and starting going Olbermann on way too many tangents .
It 's far simpler than that , really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All this talk about keeping people in, police states, and how much freedom we are losing in the USA...It doesn't make sense people.
More specifically, it has nothing to do with what TFA is about.Not all illegal immigrants swim through a sewer drain to get here.
Some people pay other people to get them here, by providing identities and getting them here by any means.
These identities are usually stolen or completely fabricated.That's all they want to prevent.
That's the entire purpose of this system.
Yes, they will take your fingerprint.
So does your bank.
And for the same reason, to make sure it's you.Most of you read the headline, saw that this plan was hatched under Bush and starting going Olbermann on way too many tangents.
It's far simpler than that, really.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28134581</id>
	<title>Meet the new boss,</title>
	<author>Schemat1c</author>
	<datestamp>1243530540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>same as the old boss.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>same as the old boss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>same as the old boss.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28161995</id>
	<title>Mexican passports.</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1243771800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Mexican passport has my photograph printed in the paper, so there is no way to replace it , like it was theoretically possible with older passports.</p><p>So they look at me, check the picture and let me in if I am the guy in the picture. Passports come with codes and an electronic tag that should ensure it is legit (as we know they are using the wrong technology, but that is the problem with authoritarian people, you can't trust them to run anything efficiently).</p><p>So which problem exactly they are trying to solve?</p><p>I'll tell you which one: they try to keep their jobs (Homeland Security) byt busying themselves doing something, anything, the more authoritarian the better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Mexican passport has my photograph printed in the paper , so there is no way to replace it , like it was theoretically possible with older passports.So they look at me , check the picture and let me in if I am the guy in the picture .
Passports come with codes and an electronic tag that should ensure it is legit ( as we know they are using the wrong technology , but that is the problem with authoritarian people , you ca n't trust them to run anything efficiently ) .So which problem exactly they are trying to solve ? I 'll tell you which one : they try to keep their jobs ( Homeland Security ) byt busying themselves doing something , anything , the more authoritarian the better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Mexican passport has my photograph printed in the paper, so there is no way to replace it , like it was theoretically possible with older passports.So they look at me, check the picture and let me in if I am the guy in the picture.
Passports come with codes and an electronic tag that should ensure it is legit (as we know they are using the wrong technology, but that is the problem with authoritarian people, you can't trust them to run anything efficiently).So which problem exactly they are trying to solve?I'll tell you which one: they try to keep their jobs (Homeland Security) byt busying themselves doing something, anything, the more authoritarian the better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28133655</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132745</id>
	<title>Re:What if you refuse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243517400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They'll kick you out and not even realize that's what you were trying to do in the first place!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll kick you out and not even realize that 's what you were trying to do in the first place !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll kick you out and not even realize that's what you were trying to do in the first place!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132277</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132731</id>
	<title>If you refuse?</title>
	<author>KenMcM</author>
	<datestamp>1243517280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What, then, if you refuse to be fingerprinted?

Do they prevent you from leaving the country?
Would this not be illegal detention?
Must refusal to provide fingerprints be criminalized for this to work?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What , then , if you refuse to be fingerprinted ?
Do they prevent you from leaving the country ?
Would this not be illegal detention ?
Must refusal to provide fingerprints be criminalized for this to work ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What, then, if you refuse to be fingerprinted?
Do they prevent you from leaving the country?
Would this not be illegal detention?
Must refusal to provide fingerprints be criminalized for this to work?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_2313230.28132079</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>sweatyboatman</author>
	<datestamp>1243513980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"We are trying to ensure we know more about who came and who left," [Michael Hardin] said. "We have a large population of illegal immigrants in the United States - we want to make sure the person getting on the plane really is the person the records show to be leaving."</p></div><p>huh?  so the epidemic of people pretending to leave the country on commercial flights by booking flights and sending doppelgangers in their place is finally over!  rejoice Americans!  we are all now super safe!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" We are trying to ensure we know more about who came and who left , " [ Michael Hardin ] said .
" We have a large population of illegal immigrants in the United States - we want to make sure the person getting on the plane really is the person the records show to be leaving. " huh ?
so the epidemic of people pretending to leave the country on commercial flights by booking flights and sending doppelgangers in their place is finally over !
rejoice Americans !
we are all now super safe !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We are trying to ensure we know more about who came and who left," [Michael Hardin] said.
"We have a large population of illegal immigrants in the United States - we want to make sure the person getting on the plane really is the person the records show to be leaving."huh?
so the epidemic of people pretending to leave the country on commercial flights by booking flights and sending doppelgangers in their place is finally over!
rejoice Americans!
we are all now super safe!
	</sentencetext>
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