<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_05_27_1934245</id>
	<title>Painting The World's Roofs White Could Slow Climate Change</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1243414800000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"Dr. Steven Chu, the Nobel prize-winning physicist appointed by President Obama as Energy Secretary, wants to paint the world white. Chu said at the opening of the St James's Palace Nobel Laureate Symposium that by lightening paved surfaces and roofs to the color of cement, it would be possible <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6366639.ece">to cut carbon emissions by as much as taking all the world's cars off the roads for 11 years</a>. Pale surfaces reflect up to 80 percent of the sunlight that falls on them, compared with about 20 percent for dark ones, which is why roofs and walls in hot countries are often whitewashed."</i> (Continues, below.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " Dr. Steven Chu , the Nobel prize-winning physicist appointed by President Obama as Energy Secretary , wants to paint the world white .
Chu said at the opening of the St James 's Palace Nobel Laureate Symposium that by lightening paved surfaces and roofs to the color of cement , it would be possible to cut carbon emissions by as much as taking all the world 's cars off the roads for 11 years .
Pale surfaces reflect up to 80 percent of the sunlight that falls on them , compared with about 20 percent for dark ones , which is why roofs and walls in hot countries are often whitewashed .
" ( Continues , below .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "Dr. Steven Chu, the Nobel prize-winning physicist appointed by President Obama as Energy Secretary, wants to paint the world white.
Chu said at the opening of the St James's Palace Nobel Laureate Symposium that by lightening paved surfaces and roofs to the color of cement, it would be possible to cut carbon emissions by as much as taking all the world's cars off the roads for 11 years.
Pale surfaces reflect up to 80 percent of the sunlight that falls on them, compared with about 20 percent for dark ones, which is why roofs and walls in hot countries are often whitewashed.
" (Continues, below.
)</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28155697</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>sorak</author>
	<datestamp>1243706580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My cynicism knows no bounds, which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it. I'm betting something to the tune of, "Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years!"</p></div><p>Maybe that's because Bush would have stopped there, had he ever gotten there. Obama has done more (positive) for the environment in 4 months than GWB did in eight years, and this, combined with stricter mileage standards, is a good start.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My cynicism knows no bounds , which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it .
I 'm betting something to the tune of , " Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years !
" Maybe that 's because Bush would have stopped there , had he ever gotten there .
Obama has done more ( positive ) for the environment in 4 months than GWB did in eight years , and this , combined with stricter mileage standards , is a good start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My cynicism knows no bounds, which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it.
I'm betting something to the tune of, "Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years!
"Maybe that's because Bush would have stopped there, had he ever gotten there.
Obama has done more (positive) for the environment in 4 months than GWB did in eight years, and this, combined with stricter mileage standards, is a good start.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115555</id>
	<title>All the world  Washinton DC</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1243420260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Uhmmm, even painting the all the cities in the world mirror silver won't achieve anything.  The world is much, much larger than the cities.  Three quarters of the globe is covered in water.  A miniscule part of the 25\% that is land mass is covered in cities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Uhmmm , even painting the all the cities in the world mirror silver wo n't achieve anything .
The world is much , much larger than the cities .
Three quarters of the globe is covered in water .
A miniscule part of the 25 \ % that is land mass is covered in cities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uhmmm, even painting the all the cities in the world mirror silver won't achieve anything.
The world is much, much larger than the cities.
Three quarters of the globe is covered in water.
A miniscule part of the 25\% that is land mass is covered in cities.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28118615</id>
	<title>Mod parent... at least not flamebait, ffs.</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1243439220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, that's a serious moderation injustice.  Coming from Canada (Edmonton Alberta, the northernmost North American city with a population &gt;1M... woo!), I completely agree... in the dead of winter, a good blanket of snow on the roof is a very good thing.  But the summers... jebus, I'd give anything for a nice, highly reflective roof.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , that 's a serious moderation injustice .
Coming from Canada ( Edmonton Alberta , the northernmost North American city with a population &gt; 1M.. .
woo ! ) , I completely agree... in the dead of winter , a good blanket of snow on the roof is a very good thing .
But the summers... jebus , I 'd give anything for a nice , highly reflective roof .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, that's a serious moderation injustice.
Coming from Canada (Edmonton Alberta, the northernmost North American city with a population &gt;1M...
woo!), I completely agree... in the dead of winter, a good blanket of snow on the roof is a very good thing.
But the summers... jebus, I'd give anything for a nice, highly reflective roof.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28118253</id>
	<title>Re:Chu's claim disproves global warming!</title>
	<author>itsybitsy</author>
	<datestamp>1243436340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Additional material can be found at <a href="http://pathstoknowledge.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/proofs-against-anthropogenic-global-warming/" title="wordpress.com">Proofs against Anthropogenic Global Warming</a> [wordpress.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Additional material can be found at Proofs against Anthropogenic Global Warming [ wordpress.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Additional material can be found at Proofs against Anthropogenic Global Warming [wordpress.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119869</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>OnlyHalfEvil</author>
	<datestamp>1243451880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>
<i>I think this is a good idea, and if Chu can make it happen (again, colour me cynical)...</i> </p></div><p>Nah, I'm gonna color you white. It saves me energy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is a good idea , and if Chu can make it happen ( again , colour me cynical ) ... Nah , I 'm gon na color you white .
It saves me energy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I think this is a good idea, and if Chu can make it happen (again, colour me cynical)... Nah, I'm gonna color you white.
It saves me energy.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117813</id>
	<title>Fun Facts.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243432560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Global warming isn't real.<br>2. Communism doesn't  work.<br>3. Making someone with a 78 IQ president just because they are a black man who can read is retarded.<br>4. There is no gay gene.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Global warming is n't real.2 .
Communism does n't work.3 .
Making someone with a 78 IQ president just because they are a black man who can read is retarded.4 .
There is no gay gene .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Global warming isn't real.2.
Communism doesn't  work.3.
Making someone with a 78 IQ president just because they are a black man who can read is retarded.4.
There is no gay gene.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116807</id>
	<title>Painting surfaces doesn't reduce emissions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243425960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It could just have a \_similar effect on global temperatures\_ as reducing emissions.  Nitpicky, I know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It could just have a \ _similar effect on global temperatures \ _ as reducing emissions .
Nitpicky , I know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It could just have a \_similar effect on global temperatures\_ as reducing emissions.
Nitpicky, I know.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116425</id>
	<title>Mike Judge's New Anti-Environmental Show TONIGHT</title>
	<author>scorp1us</author>
	<datestamp>1243424040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Beavis and Butthead creator has a <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203771904574180442354457688.html" title="wsj.com">new show</a> [wsj.com] airing on ABC. It should be funny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beavis and Butthead creator has a new show [ wsj.com ] airing on ABC .
It should be funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beavis and Butthead creator has a new show [wsj.com] airing on ABC.
It should be funny.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115747</id>
	<title>Re:Light Pollution</title>
	<author>Alarindris</author>
	<datestamp>1243420920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah all that sunlight being reflected off the roofs at night will surely obfuscate the stars...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah all that sunlight being reflected off the roofs at night will surely obfuscate the stars.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah all that sunlight being reflected off the roofs at night will surely obfuscate the stars...</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115247</id>
	<title>Not really news</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1243419360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, okay, it's news but it's OLD news - I heard this idea from a number of climate researchers back in the early 1990s. I suppose there's a possibility it might gain more traction in today's climate (no pun intended), but I'm skeptical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , okay , it 's news but it 's OLD news - I heard this idea from a number of climate researchers back in the early 1990s .
I suppose there 's a possibility it might gain more traction in today 's climate ( no pun intended ) , but I 'm skeptical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, okay, it's news but it's OLD news - I heard this idea from a number of climate researchers back in the early 1990s.
I suppose there's a possibility it might gain more traction in today's climate (no pun intended), but I'm skeptical.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119607</id>
	<title>how about painting cars white?</title>
	<author>DrEasy</author>
	<datestamp>1243449480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cars need to be painted anyway, how about painting them all white? I guess the world would be less colorful and a bit boring-looking.It would also make it difficult to find your car in a parking-lot...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cars need to be painted anyway , how about painting them all white ?
I guess the world would be less colorful and a bit boring-looking.It would also make it difficult to find your car in a parking-lot.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cars need to be painted anyway, how about painting them all white?
I guess the world would be less colorful and a bit boring-looking.It would also make it difficult to find your car in a parking-lot...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115073</id>
	<title>Snow blindness anyone?</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1243418820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know that when it snows, my eyes are really messed with by all the white reflecting everywhere.  Having roofs on buildings all white might cause similar problems.</p><p>That said, I have noticed UPS trucks have long since been doing this with good results.  Perhaps snow blindness might not be an issue to anyone but pilots and perhaps not even to them.  I know I would like to see my electric bill reduced and I'll bet that is a good way to accomplish it.  I wonder if those home-owners associations would do anything to interfere with someone making their roofs white?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know that when it snows , my eyes are really messed with by all the white reflecting everywhere .
Having roofs on buildings all white might cause similar problems.That said , I have noticed UPS trucks have long since been doing this with good results .
Perhaps snow blindness might not be an issue to anyone but pilots and perhaps not even to them .
I know I would like to see my electric bill reduced and I 'll bet that is a good way to accomplish it .
I wonder if those home-owners associations would do anything to interfere with someone making their roofs white ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know that when it snows, my eyes are really messed with by all the white reflecting everywhere.
Having roofs on buildings all white might cause similar problems.That said, I have noticed UPS trucks have long since been doing this with good results.
Perhaps snow blindness might not be an issue to anyone but pilots and perhaps not even to them.
I know I would like to see my electric bill reduced and I'll bet that is a good way to accomplish it.
I wonder if those home-owners associations would do anything to interfere with someone making their roofs white?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28121207</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243510080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too bad solar cells are dark...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad solar cells are dark.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad solar cells are dark...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28124681</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243529760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Solar panel production creates both C02 and Nitrogen trifluoride, a more potent "greenhouse gas" that also happens to be toxic. Solar is also incredibly inefficient and has a very low power density. It requires enormous areas of panel for low (negative, actually) ROI. My understanding is that their functional lifespan is also low. Solar power is not the holy cross to the vampire of fossil fuels.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Solar panel production creates both C02 and Nitrogen trifluoride , a more potent " greenhouse gas " that also happens to be toxic .
Solar is also incredibly inefficient and has a very low power density .
It requires enormous areas of panel for low ( negative , actually ) ROI .
My understanding is that their functional lifespan is also low .
Solar power is not the holy cross to the vampire of fossil fuels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Solar panel production creates both C02 and Nitrogen trifluoride, a more potent "greenhouse gas" that also happens to be toxic.
Solar is also incredibly inefficient and has a very low power density.
It requires enormous areas of panel for low (negative, actually) ROI.
My understanding is that their functional lifespan is also low.
Solar power is not the holy cross to the vampire of fossil fuels.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115653</id>
	<title>Or...</title>
	<author>Endo13</author>
	<datestamp>1243420680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it could be possible that the global climate change is just part of a natural cycle, and is actually a good thing. But hey, let's just ignore that possibility and try every idea no matter how stupid that we can possibly think of to "fix" it.</p><p>Seriously, if science has taught us <b>*anything*</b> it's that tampering with things we don't understand almost always makes them worse. Even when - actually, maybe that should be <b>especially</b> when - we're trying to "correct" a "mistake we've made".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it could be possible that the global climate change is just part of a natural cycle , and is actually a good thing .
But hey , let 's just ignore that possibility and try every idea no matter how stupid that we can possibly think of to " fix " it.Seriously , if science has taught us * anything * it 's that tampering with things we do n't understand almost always makes them worse .
Even when - actually , maybe that should be especially when - we 're trying to " correct " a " mistake we 've made " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it could be possible that the global climate change is just part of a natural cycle, and is actually a good thing.
But hey, let's just ignore that possibility and try every idea no matter how stupid that we can possibly think of to "fix" it.Seriously, if science has taught us *anything* it's that tampering with things we don't understand almost always makes them worse.
Even when - actually, maybe that should be especially when - we're trying to "correct" a "mistake we've made".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117187</id>
	<title>Re:White asphalt?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243428360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>concrete<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/= asphalt, dummy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>concrete / = asphalt , dummy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>concrete /= asphalt, dummy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28122617</id>
	<title>It's all procrastination</title>
	<author>Crayon Kid</author>
	<datestamp>1243520580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All these makeshift solutions are just temporary workarounds. What we need to do is address the root causes: stop using fossil fuel, reduce heat emissions in everything and so on.</p><p>You know what would happen if such a solution would give us 11 extra years? We'd just use those 11 years to put off working on the real thing. Don't imagine for a moment we'd use them to get started on the real problems.</p><p>Man is a strange animal in that respect. It loves its vices and won't give them up until it's too late. We love our smoking, big fat cars, wasteful PC's and wasting resources of all kinds, and we'll take instant gratification over long term planning any day. I guess we're all still children, as far as civilization maturity is concerned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All these makeshift solutions are just temporary workarounds .
What we need to do is address the root causes : stop using fossil fuel , reduce heat emissions in everything and so on.You know what would happen if such a solution would give us 11 extra years ?
We 'd just use those 11 years to put off working on the real thing .
Do n't imagine for a moment we 'd use them to get started on the real problems.Man is a strange animal in that respect .
It loves its vices and wo n't give them up until it 's too late .
We love our smoking , big fat cars , wasteful PC 's and wasting resources of all kinds , and we 'll take instant gratification over long term planning any day .
I guess we 're all still children , as far as civilization maturity is concerned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All these makeshift solutions are just temporary workarounds.
What we need to do is address the root causes: stop using fossil fuel, reduce heat emissions in everything and so on.You know what would happen if such a solution would give us 11 extra years?
We'd just use those 11 years to put off working on the real thing.
Don't imagine for a moment we'd use them to get started on the real problems.Man is a strange animal in that respect.
It loves its vices and won't give them up until it's too late.
We love our smoking, big fat cars, wasteful PC's and wasting resources of all kinds, and we'll take instant gratification over long term planning any day.
I guess we're all still children, as far as civilization maturity is concerned.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116759</id>
	<title>Re:White asphalt?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243425600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now all we need is white tar...</p></div><p>And black feathers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now all we need is white tar...And black feathers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now all we need is white tar...And black feathers.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117331</id>
	<title>Follow the money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243429260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has nothing to do with science and everything to do with money.  The 'scientists' who are proposing this are former colleges of Chu and are looking to feed out of the public stimulus troft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has nothing to do with science and everything to do with money .
The 'scientists ' who are proposing this are former colleges of Chu and are looking to feed out of the public stimulus troft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has nothing to do with science and everything to do with money.
The 'scientists' who are proposing this are former colleges of Chu and are looking to feed out of the public stimulus troft.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116745</id>
	<title>Re:and make all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243425480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes but if everything is white the birds cant flock to everything</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes but if everything is white the birds cant flock to everything</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes but if everything is white the birds cant flock to everything</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115279</id>
	<title>Re:White asphalt?</title>
	<author>Jeng</author>
	<datestamp>1243419480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Concrete is lightly colored, abit off white.</p><p>Also, concrete paving lasts longer and needs less maintenance.  The reason asphalt is used so much is its cheaper in the short term.</p><p>Tire wear on the concrete will turn it blackish, so I guess now all we need is white rubber?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Concrete is lightly colored , abit off white.Also , concrete paving lasts longer and needs less maintenance .
The reason asphalt is used so much is its cheaper in the short term.Tire wear on the concrete will turn it blackish , so I guess now all we need is white rubber ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Concrete is lightly colored, abit off white.Also, concrete paving lasts longer and needs less maintenance.
The reason asphalt is used so much is its cheaper in the short term.Tire wear on the concrete will turn it blackish, so I guess now all we need is white rubber?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28128561</id>
	<title>Still net gain</title>
	<author>curri</author>
	<datestamp>1243542540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As mentioned above, there's still a net gain, since there's much more sunlight in Summer than in Winter (of course, it all depends on where you are, but the research says that it works<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As mentioned above , there 's still a net gain , since there 's much more sunlight in Summer than in Winter ( of course , it all depends on where you are , but the research says that it works : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As mentioned above, there's still a net gain, since there's much more sunlight in Summer than in Winter (of course, it all depends on where you are, but the research says that it works :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117013</id>
	<title>"climate-change types"?</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1243427400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean "scientists."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean " scientists .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean "scientists.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115503</id>
	<title>I call BS on this.</title>
	<author>thinktech</author>
	<datestamp>1243420080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Go look at google maps. Zoom in on a major city like San Francisco. The percentage of man-made dark surfaces are very tiny. I'd be stunned if it equaled a fraction of a percent world-wide. And personally I'd like to see some actual numbers on this before we start strip-mining for the titanium compound that makes white paint.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go look at google maps .
Zoom in on a major city like San Francisco .
The percentage of man-made dark surfaces are very tiny .
I 'd be stunned if it equaled a fraction of a percent world-wide .
And personally I 'd like to see some actual numbers on this before we start strip-mining for the titanium compound that makes white paint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go look at google maps.
Zoom in on a major city like San Francisco.
The percentage of man-made dark surfaces are very tiny.
I'd be stunned if it equaled a fraction of a percent world-wide.
And personally I'd like to see some actual numbers on this before we start strip-mining for the titanium compound that makes white paint.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115265</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>Hubbell</author>
	<datestamp>1243419420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, when hundreds of scientists who had their studies used by the IPCC in fraudulent ways of presenting the data to support global warming came out and many thousands more came out showing hard facts that man has not had as big of an effect on the climate as the alarmists want you to believe, they kinda dropped it.  Oh, and the whole thing with the world going through a cooling period now probably has something to do with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , when hundreds of scientists who had their studies used by the IPCC in fraudulent ways of presenting the data to support global warming came out and many thousands more came out showing hard facts that man has not had as big of an effect on the climate as the alarmists want you to believe , they kinda dropped it .
Oh , and the whole thing with the world going through a cooling period now probably has something to do with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, when hundreds of scientists who had their studies used by the IPCC in fraudulent ways of presenting the data to support global warming came out and many thousands more came out showing hard facts that man has not had as big of an effect on the climate as the alarmists want you to believe, they kinda dropped it.
Oh, and the whole thing with the world going through a cooling period now probably has something to do with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116139</id>
	<title>And if we can't get people to paint roofs white...</title>
	<author>serutan</author>
	<datestamp>1243422360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe we could selctively paint them to form graffiti. That would at least make global warming more entertaining on Google Maps. You could use multiple roofs to form dot matrix ASCII characters, then at a larger scale use those ASCII characters to form nudes. The first pr0n visible from space! Finally, a welcome that would truly impress aliens!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe we could selctively paint them to form graffiti .
That would at least make global warming more entertaining on Google Maps .
You could use multiple roofs to form dot matrix ASCII characters , then at a larger scale use those ASCII characters to form nudes .
The first pr0n visible from space !
Finally , a welcome that would truly impress aliens !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we could selctively paint them to form graffiti.
That would at least make global warming more entertaining on Google Maps.
You could use multiple roofs to form dot matrix ASCII characters, then at a larger scale use those ASCII characters to form nudes.
The first pr0n visible from space!
Finally, a welcome that would truly impress aliens!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28120515</id>
	<title>Re:Double benefit</title>
	<author>Inda</author>
	<datestamp>1243503300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Butt ugly isn't the word.<br><br>I paited my house last summer. Not white, more of a light, light tan.<br><br>If you look at it now, it's covered with brake dust, bird shit, dust and grit.<br><br>A brilliant white would stay white for about a day where I live.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Butt ugly is n't the word.I paited my house last summer .
Not white , more of a light , light tan.If you look at it now , it 's covered with brake dust , bird shit , dust and grit.A brilliant white would stay white for about a day where I live .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Butt ugly isn't the word.I paited my house last summer.
Not white, more of a light, light tan.If you look at it now, it's covered with brake dust, bird shit, dust and grit.A brilliant white would stay white for about a day where I live.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28130005</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>scot4875</author>
	<datestamp>1243504500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>tampering with things we don't understand almost always makes them worse</p></div></blockquote><p>Yeah!  Quit tampering with stuff!  Good thing that "burning shit we find in the ground because it makes things go" couldn't be classified as "tampering," or we might be in trouble.</p><p>--Jeremy</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>tampering with things we do n't understand almost always makes them worseYeah !
Quit tampering with stuff !
Good thing that " burning shit we find in the ground because it makes things go " could n't be classified as " tampering , " or we might be in trouble.--Jeremy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>tampering with things we don't understand almost always makes them worseYeah!
Quit tampering with stuff!
Good thing that "burning shit we find in the ground because it makes things go" couldn't be classified as "tampering," or we might be in trouble.--Jeremy
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116667</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243425180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>My cynicism knows no bounds, which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it.</i></p><p>That's easy. The Republicans would accuse the official of being a RINO (Republican In Name Only). For example, the Republicans for Environmental Protection were accused by their party of being closet-Democrats because they opposed oil drilling in environmentally sensitive locations and fought for reduction in fossil fuel use. It's an interesting distinction too. While most other Republicans were shouting, "reduce dependence on <b>foreign</b> oil", the REP was shouting, "reduce dependence on oil."  But that distinction made them RINOs. Go figure.</p><p>The Democrats have their DINOs too... and perhaps a Democrat can respond and dig those up..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My cynicism knows no bounds , which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it.That 's easy .
The Republicans would accuse the official of being a RINO ( Republican In Name Only ) .
For example , the Republicans for Environmental Protection were accused by their party of being closet-Democrats because they opposed oil drilling in environmentally sensitive locations and fought for reduction in fossil fuel use .
It 's an interesting distinction too .
While most other Republicans were shouting , " reduce dependence on foreign oil " , the REP was shouting , " reduce dependence on oil .
" But that distinction made them RINOs .
Go figure.The Democrats have their DINOs too... and perhaps a Democrat can respond and dig those up. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My cynicism knows no bounds, which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it.That's easy.
The Republicans would accuse the official of being a RINO (Republican In Name Only).
For example, the Republicans for Environmental Protection were accused by their party of being closet-Democrats because they opposed oil drilling in environmentally sensitive locations and fought for reduction in fossil fuel use.
It's an interesting distinction too.
While most other Republicans were shouting, "reduce dependence on foreign oil", the REP was shouting, "reduce dependence on oil.
"  But that distinction made them RINOs.
Go figure.The Democrats have their DINOs too... and perhaps a Democrat can respond and dig those up..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116193</id>
	<title>Re:Other Pollution</title>
	<author>value\_added</author>
	<datestamp>1243422720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>roads. My favorite roof solution, and something I plan on working on this summer or next summer is to turn my garage roof in to a natural garden by placing a protective tar paper over the shingles, a couple of inches of dirt and then grass or moss seeds. I'll let nature reclaim my man-made structure. Inch for inch, it would be just like grass growing on the ground, except not.</i></p><p>You're in good company.  Lots of cities are doing the same.  Chicago, for example, is doing this, and the benefits are clear from both social and environmental points of view.  On a commercial building with a flat roof, for example, a rooftop garden that includes decorative plants and vegetables could be a no brainer.  For a residential building, however, you're probably limited to grass and moss.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>roads .
My favorite roof solution , and something I plan on working on this summer or next summer is to turn my garage roof in to a natural garden by placing a protective tar paper over the shingles , a couple of inches of dirt and then grass or moss seeds .
I 'll let nature reclaim my man-made structure .
Inch for inch , it would be just like grass growing on the ground , except not.You 're in good company .
Lots of cities are doing the same .
Chicago , for example , is doing this , and the benefits are clear from both social and environmental points of view .
On a commercial building with a flat roof , for example , a rooftop garden that includes decorative plants and vegetables could be a no brainer .
For a residential building , however , you 're probably limited to grass and moss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>roads.
My favorite roof solution, and something I plan on working on this summer or next summer is to turn my garage roof in to a natural garden by placing a protective tar paper over the shingles, a couple of inches of dirt and then grass or moss seeds.
I'll let nature reclaim my man-made structure.
Inch for inch, it would be just like grass growing on the ground, except not.You're in good company.
Lots of cities are doing the same.
Chicago, for example, is doing this, and the benefits are clear from both social and environmental points of view.
On a commercial building with a flat roof, for example, a rooftop garden that includes decorative plants and vegetables could be a no brainer.
For a residential building, however, you're probably limited to grass and moss.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28127685</id>
	<title>Re: Run away Whitehouse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243540200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's see.  70\% of the earth's surface is water.</p><p>Of the 30\% of the earth's surface which is land, 70\% is uninhabitable (desert, mountains, arctic, etc.).</p><p>Of the 9\% of the inhabitable earth's surface, 50\% is very low population density - i.e. devoted to agriculture, or simply NOT populated (forests, jungles, etc.)</p><p>Of the 4.5\% of the actually inhabited earth's surface, most of the population lives within 200 miles of water in some form - on the marge of lakes, oceans, rivers.  These areas are relatively very high density with closely spaced buildings and a lot of roads.  The remainder are medium density with lots of grass, trees, etc.</p><p>It seems as if Mr. Chu is proposing that by changing the reflectivity of no more than (an estimated) 2\% of the earth's surface we can affect the climate.</p><p>Pretty far fetched to me.  I thought it was from the Onion at first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see .
70 \ % of the earth 's surface is water.Of the 30 \ % of the earth 's surface which is land , 70 \ % is uninhabitable ( desert , mountains , arctic , etc .
) .Of the 9 \ % of the inhabitable earth 's surface , 50 \ % is very low population density - i.e .
devoted to agriculture , or simply NOT populated ( forests , jungles , etc .
) Of the 4.5 \ % of the actually inhabited earth 's surface , most of the population lives within 200 miles of water in some form - on the marge of lakes , oceans , rivers .
These areas are relatively very high density with closely spaced buildings and a lot of roads .
The remainder are medium density with lots of grass , trees , etc.It seems as if Mr. Chu is proposing that by changing the reflectivity of no more than ( an estimated ) 2 \ % of the earth 's surface we can affect the climate.Pretty far fetched to me .
I thought it was from the Onion at first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see.
70\% of the earth's surface is water.Of the 30\% of the earth's surface which is land, 70\% is uninhabitable (desert, mountains, arctic, etc.
).Of the 9\% of the inhabitable earth's surface, 50\% is very low population density - i.e.
devoted to agriculture, or simply NOT populated (forests, jungles, etc.
)Of the 4.5\% of the actually inhabited earth's surface, most of the population lives within 200 miles of water in some form - on the marge of lakes, oceans, rivers.
These areas are relatively very high density with closely spaced buildings and a lot of roads.
The remainder are medium density with lots of grass, trees, etc.It seems as if Mr. Chu is proposing that by changing the reflectivity of no more than (an estimated) 2\% of the earth's surface we can affect the climate.Pretty far fetched to me.
I thought it was from the Onion at first.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116441</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>cowscows</author>
	<datestamp>1243424160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it depends on the context of the suggestion. If you say that here's a relatively easy first step towards sustainability, I'd say good for you, let's go for it. On the other hand, if you say, here's a quick easy fix to our global warming problems, so stop worrying about coal plants, then you're just going to piss me off. Not only are you not solving the problems, but you're treating me like a little kid that you think doesn't know any better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it depends on the context of the suggestion .
If you say that here 's a relatively easy first step towards sustainability , I 'd say good for you , let 's go for it .
On the other hand , if you say , here 's a quick easy fix to our global warming problems , so stop worrying about coal plants , then you 're just going to piss me off .
Not only are you not solving the problems , but you 're treating me like a little kid that you think does n't know any better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it depends on the context of the suggestion.
If you say that here's a relatively easy first step towards sustainability, I'd say good for you, let's go for it.
On the other hand, if you say, here's a quick easy fix to our global warming problems, so stop worrying about coal plants, then you're just going to piss me off.
Not only are you not solving the problems, but you're treating me like a little kid that you think doesn't know any better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28118057</id>
	<title>Re:Double benefit</title>
	<author>williamhb</author>
	<datestamp>1243434360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>On the downside, whitewashed walls look butt ugly.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.appleby-lincolnshire.co.uk/thatched\%20cottage\%20010507\%20mi.jpg" title="appleby-li...hire.co.uk">I disagree</a> [appleby-li...hire.co.uk]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the downside , whitewashed walls look butt ugly .
I disagree [ appleby-li...hire.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the downside, whitewashed walls look butt ugly.
I disagree [appleby-li...hire.co.uk]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115431</id>
	<title>Re:Mirrors</title>
	<author>aicrules</author>
	<datestamp>1243419900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Which would also solve the problem of having human pilots since they'd all be blind...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Which would also solve the problem of having human pilots since they 'd all be blind.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which would also solve the problem of having human pilots since they'd all be blind...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116607</id>
	<title>Sun Damage</title>
	<author>bananaquackmoo</author>
	<datestamp>1243424880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds great and all, until you realize there is a reason roofing materials are what they are. Sun damage to building materials is a very, very serious problem. This is why you have to re-roof your home as often as you do. Painting them white isn't going to help.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds great and all , until you realize there is a reason roofing materials are what they are .
Sun damage to building materials is a very , very serious problem .
This is why you have to re-roof your home as often as you do .
Painting them white is n't going to help .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds great and all, until you realize there is a reason roofing materials are what they are.
Sun damage to building materials is a very, very serious problem.
This is why you have to re-roof your home as often as you do.
Painting them white isn't going to help.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115205</id>
	<title>Re:White asphalt?</title>
	<author>JSBiff</author>
	<datestamp>1243419240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There might be some safety issues with making road surfaces reflect more light. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.things that come to mind:</p><p>* Increased road glare on sunny days - good sun glasses could largely deal with this, but if you don't happen to have a pair of sunglasses, you might be having a pretty hard time seeing on very bright days.</p><p>* Night driving: harder to see the painted lines and reflectors embedded in the concrete (I'm not sure if this would really be much of a problem or not, but maybe could be)</p><p>* Winter driving - In the winter, I'm sure that black pavement absorbing sunlight has some beneficial effect in the form of melting ice off the road sooner than light-colored pavement would. Lighter colored road surfaces might lead to ice lasting longer, or requiring more salt to be put on the roads by road crews.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There might be some safety issues with making road surfaces reflect more light .
. .things that come to mind : * Increased road glare on sunny days - good sun glasses could largely deal with this , but if you do n't happen to have a pair of sunglasses , you might be having a pretty hard time seeing on very bright days .
* Night driving : harder to see the painted lines and reflectors embedded in the concrete ( I 'm not sure if this would really be much of a problem or not , but maybe could be ) * Winter driving - In the winter , I 'm sure that black pavement absorbing sunlight has some beneficial effect in the form of melting ice off the road sooner than light-colored pavement would .
Lighter colored road surfaces might lead to ice lasting longer , or requiring more salt to be put on the roads by road crews .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There might be some safety issues with making road surfaces reflect more light.
. .things that come to mind:* Increased road glare on sunny days - good sun glasses could largely deal with this, but if you don't happen to have a pair of sunglasses, you might be having a pretty hard time seeing on very bright days.
* Night driving: harder to see the painted lines and reflectors embedded in the concrete (I'm not sure if this would really be much of a problem or not, but maybe could be)* Winter driving - In the winter, I'm sure that black pavement absorbing sunlight has some beneficial effect in the form of melting ice off the road sooner than light-colored pavement would.
Lighter colored road surfaces might lead to ice lasting longer, or requiring more salt to be put on the roads by road crews.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28124899</id>
	<title>Fail</title>
	<author>sean.peters</author>
	<datestamp>1243530660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because of 1) the tendency for heat to rise, and 2) the low angle of the sun in winter, contributions to your house's heat budget through solar heating of the roof are pretty minimal. By contrast, in the summer, the heat building up in your house is less able to escape via the attic when the attic is really hot. And white roofs really do lower the temperature in your attic. If you air condition even a little, you'd save money with a white roof pretty quickly. But I guess forgoing the savings is a small price to pay to be able to continue to pooh-pooh climate change.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because of 1 ) the tendency for heat to rise , and 2 ) the low angle of the sun in winter , contributions to your house 's heat budget through solar heating of the roof are pretty minimal .
By contrast , in the summer , the heat building up in your house is less able to escape via the attic when the attic is really hot .
And white roofs really do lower the temperature in your attic .
If you air condition even a little , you 'd save money with a white roof pretty quickly .
But I guess forgoing the savings is a small price to pay to be able to continue to pooh-pooh climate change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because of 1) the tendency for heat to rise, and 2) the low angle of the sun in winter, contributions to your house's heat budget through solar heating of the roof are pretty minimal.
By contrast, in the summer, the heat building up in your house is less able to escape via the attic when the attic is really hot.
And white roofs really do lower the temperature in your attic.
If you air condition even a little, you'd save money with a white roof pretty quickly.
But I guess forgoing the savings is a small price to pay to be able to continue to pooh-pooh climate change.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115455</id>
	<title>Re:Mirrors</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243419960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If white roofs are good, maybe we can put down aluminum foil and that will be even better.</p></div><p>The ultimate tin-foil hat.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If white roofs are good , maybe we can put down aluminum foil and that will be even better.The ultimate tin-foil hat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If white roofs are good, maybe we can put down aluminum foil and that will be even better.The ultimate tin-foil hat.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28120457</id>
	<title>Re:Mirrors</title>
	<author>spitzak</author>
	<datestamp>1243502760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aluminum is used in roof paint all the time.</p><p>I have a big can of it in the garage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aluminum is used in roof paint all the time.I have a big can of it in the garage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aluminum is used in roof paint all the time.I have a big can of it in the garage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28122805</id>
	<title>Re:Double benefit</title>
	<author>ausekilis</author>
	<datestamp>1243521540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>On the downside, whitewashed walls look butt ugly.</p></div><p>You obviously missed the previous "mooning" thread. It's not the whitewash that makes it look butt ugly, it's asses hanging out of every window that makes it butt ugly.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the downside , whitewashed walls look butt ugly.You obviously missed the previous " mooning " thread .
It 's not the whitewash that makes it look butt ugly , it 's asses hanging out of every window that makes it butt ugly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the downside, whitewashed walls look butt ugly.You obviously missed the previous "mooning" thread.
It's not the whitewash that makes it look butt ugly, it's asses hanging out of every window that makes it butt ugly.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115329</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>stpere</author>
	<datestamp>1243419600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, even if we can't reverse the process, there are other good reasons to lower our energy consumption.</p><p>Energy isn't free; by polluting less, you often spend less in the long run...  It's not only good for the planet, it's good for the economy in general.</p><p>Both shouldn't be seen as incompatible things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , even if we ca n't reverse the process , there are other good reasons to lower our energy consumption.Energy is n't free ; by polluting less , you often spend less in the long run... It 's not only good for the planet , it 's good for the economy in general.Both should n't be seen as incompatible things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, even if we can't reverse the process, there are other good reasons to lower our energy consumption.Energy isn't free; by polluting less, you often spend less in the long run...  It's not only good for the planet, it's good for the economy in general.Both shouldn't be seen as incompatible things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28123501</id>
	<title>Re:and make all</title>
	<author>zildgulf</author>
	<datestamp>1243524660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What about a light beige roof?  I would think the birds would not splatter themselves on a roof that looks like light colored dirt.<br> <br>

I know its not as aesthetically pleasing as a bright white roof, but it certainly would beat a dark colored roof in reflecting sunlight and on the AC requirements.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about a light beige roof ?
I would think the birds would not splatter themselves on a roof that looks like light colored dirt .
I know its not as aesthetically pleasing as a bright white roof , but it certainly would beat a dark colored roof in reflecting sunlight and on the AC requirements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about a light beige roof?
I would think the birds would not splatter themselves on a roof that looks like light colored dirt.
I know its not as aesthetically pleasing as a bright white roof, but it certainly would beat a dark colored roof in reflecting sunlight and on the AC requirements.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119349</id>
	<title>Re:and make all</title>
	<author>talcite</author>
	<datestamp>1243446840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a moot point. It's easy to paint silhouettes of predatory birds onto the wall. The science center in my home town did this for as long as I can remember.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a moot point .
It 's easy to paint silhouettes of predatory birds onto the wall .
The science center in my home town did this for as long as I can remember .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a moot point.
It's easy to paint silhouettes of predatory birds onto the wall.
The science center in my home town did this for as long as I can remember.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28126767</id>
	<title>Re:why roofs in hot countries are whitewashed</title>
	<author>Dunavant</author>
	<datestamp>1243537620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hence the reason eskimos can live in igloos without freezing to death.  Snow is a great insulator.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hence the reason eskimos can live in igloos without freezing to death .
Snow is a great insulator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hence the reason eskimos can live in igloos without freezing to death.
Snow is a great insulator.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115783</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>pcolaman</author>
	<datestamp>1243421100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fact that it was reported by NPR, CNN, and MSNBC tells me all I need to know about the likeliness of it being a legit claim.  My only question is which analyst on which of those networks pulled the claim out of their ass and allow the other networks to co opt that info.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that it was reported by NPR , CNN , and MSNBC tells me all I need to know about the likeliness of it being a legit claim .
My only question is which analyst on which of those networks pulled the claim out of their ass and allow the other networks to co opt that info .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that it was reported by NPR, CNN, and MSNBC tells me all I need to know about the likeliness of it being a legit claim.
My only question is which analyst on which of those networks pulled the claim out of their ass and allow the other networks to co opt that info.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116257</id>
	<title>Don't paint your house, plant a tree</title>
	<author>levicivita</author>
	<datestamp>1243423020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to the recent <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html?\_r=1" title="nytimes.com" rel="nofollow">NYT</a> [nytimes.com] piece on aging yet brilliant physicist Freeman Dyson: <br> <br> <i> Dyson published a paper titled "Can We Control the Carbon Dioxide in the Atmosphere?" His answer was yes, and he added that any emergency could be temporarily thwarted with a "carbon bank" of "fast-growing trees." He calculated how many trees it would take to remove all carbon from the atmosphere. The number, he says, was a trillion, which was "in principle quite feasible."</i> <br> <br> You can <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/authority/2009/03/co2\_freeman\_dyson\_magic\_trees.php" title="scienceblogs.com" rel="nofollow">disagree</a> [scienceblogs.com] with his math, but he does raise an interesting point.  Sometimes the best ideas are also the simplest. <br> <br> As an aside, I noticed that a lot of his critics seem to focus on what happens if you extract <i> too much </i> carbon from the atmosphere - which begs the question of how can Global Warming be an irreversible, extinction-threatening process if it's so 'easy' to fight.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the recent NYT [ nytimes.com ] piece on aging yet brilliant physicist Freeman Dyson : Dyson published a paper titled " Can We Control the Carbon Dioxide in the Atmosphere ?
" His answer was yes , and he added that any emergency could be temporarily thwarted with a " carbon bank " of " fast-growing trees .
" He calculated how many trees it would take to remove all carbon from the atmosphere .
The number , he says , was a trillion , which was " in principle quite feasible .
" You can disagree [ scienceblogs.com ] with his math , but he does raise an interesting point .
Sometimes the best ideas are also the simplest .
As an aside , I noticed that a lot of his critics seem to focus on what happens if you extract too much carbon from the atmosphere - which begs the question of how can Global Warming be an irreversible , extinction-threatening process if it 's so 'easy ' to fight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the recent NYT [nytimes.com] piece on aging yet brilliant physicist Freeman Dyson:    Dyson published a paper titled "Can We Control the Carbon Dioxide in the Atmosphere?
" His answer was yes, and he added that any emergency could be temporarily thwarted with a "carbon bank" of "fast-growing trees.
" He calculated how many trees it would take to remove all carbon from the atmosphere.
The number, he says, was a trillion, which was "in principle quite feasible.
"   You can disagree [scienceblogs.com] with his math, but he does raise an interesting point.
Sometimes the best ideas are also the simplest.
As an aside, I noticed that a lot of his critics seem to focus on what happens if you extract  too much  carbon from the atmosphere - which begs the question of how can Global Warming be an irreversible, extinction-threatening process if it's so 'easy' to fight.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28118911</id>
	<title>Re:Double benefit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243442040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do realise that white wash is made by removing CO2 from Calcium carbonate in the first place?<br>So there will be zero net benifit on the CO2 front.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realise that white wash is made by removing CO2 from Calcium carbonate in the first place ? So there will be zero net benifit on the CO2 front .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realise that white wash is made by removing CO2 from Calcium carbonate in the first place?So there will be zero net benifit on the CO2 front.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115339</id>
	<title>White paint or solar panels?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243419600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>    Or we could put solar panels on roofs and convert the sunlight, that would ordinarily be<br>converted to heat, into electricity which I am sure we could find a use for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or we could put solar panels on roofs and convert the sunlight , that would ordinarily beconverted to heat , into electricity which I am sure we could find a use for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>    Or we could put solar panels on roofs and convert the sunlight, that would ordinarily beconverted to heat, into electricity which I am sure we could find a use for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117579</id>
	<title>Different wavelengths</title>
	<author>Snorfalorpagus</author>
	<datestamp>1243430940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The climate science in that makes me want to throw up.</p><p>From what I understand:</p><p>Yes. Black absorbs solar radiation. But then it re-emits it, at a different wavelength. Greenhouse gases aren't sensitive to solar radiation, but they are sensitive to terrestrial radiation &#226;" due to the wavelengths corresponding to bond energies in the compounds. White will reflect the solar radiation, without changing it's wavelength. Thus, net albedo increase = net temperature decrease.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The climate science in that makes me want to throw up.From what I understand : Yes .
Black absorbs solar radiation .
But then it re-emits it , at a different wavelength .
Greenhouse gases are n't sensitive to solar radiation , but they are sensitive to terrestrial radiation   " due to the wavelengths corresponding to bond energies in the compounds .
White will reflect the solar radiation , without changing it 's wavelength .
Thus , net albedo increase = net temperature decrease .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The climate science in that makes me want to throw up.From what I understand:Yes.
Black absorbs solar radiation.
But then it re-emits it, at a different wavelength.
Greenhouse gases aren't sensitive to solar radiation, but they are sensitive to terrestrial radiation â" due to the wavelengths corresponding to bond energies in the compounds.
White will reflect the solar radiation, without changing it's wavelength.
Thus, net albedo increase = net temperature decrease.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28120251</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243543680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>My cynicism knows no bounds, which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it. I'm betting something to the tune of, "Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years!"</p></div></blockquote><p>My memory may be letting me down here, but I don't believe the Bush Administration did propose it. And I think the probability of a Bush Administration future proposal along these lines is pretty limited.</p><p>This may possibly be linked to the low enthusiasm the Bush Administration showed for believing/promoting science in federal agencies. Which I believe was the GP's point.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My cynicism knows no bounds , which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it .
I 'm betting something to the tune of , " Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years !
" My memory may be letting me down here , but I do n't believe the Bush Administration did propose it .
And I think the probability of a Bush Administration future proposal along these lines is pretty limited.This may possibly be linked to the low enthusiasm the Bush Administration showed for believing/promoting science in federal agencies .
Which I believe was the GP 's point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My cynicism knows no bounds, which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it.
I'm betting something to the tune of, "Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years!
"My memory may be letting me down here, but I don't believe the Bush Administration did propose it.
And I think the probability of a Bush Administration future proposal along these lines is pretty limited.This may possibly be linked to the low enthusiasm the Bush Administration showed for believing/promoting science in federal agencies.
Which I believe was the GP's point.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115723</id>
	<title>I call shenanigans.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243420860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The heat energy may reflect off the roof but it won't be bleeding out of the atmosphere.  It's bullshit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The heat energy may reflect off the roof but it wo n't be bleeding out of the atmosphere .
It 's bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The heat energy may reflect off the roof but it won't be bleeding out of the atmosphere.
It's bullshit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28121003</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243508160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And as all scientists the ideas generated are entirely impractical. This may work well in Bermuda where house roofs have always been white, but repainting houses is an entirely different problem. I'm sure many of you American city folk with your apartments have never had a 3 month long battle with your neighbour about painting their roof white, resulting in you having to wear sunglasses in your own living room.</p><p>Better yet due to the expanding deserts replacing dark green trees with bright yellow sand the situation will solve itself anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And as all scientists the ideas generated are entirely impractical .
This may work well in Bermuda where house roofs have always been white , but repainting houses is an entirely different problem .
I 'm sure many of you American city folk with your apartments have never had a 3 month long battle with your neighbour about painting their roof white , resulting in you having to wear sunglasses in your own living room.Better yet due to the expanding deserts replacing dark green trees with bright yellow sand the situation will solve itself anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And as all scientists the ideas generated are entirely impractical.
This may work well in Bermuda where house roofs have always been white, but repainting houses is an entirely different problem.
I'm sure many of you American city folk with your apartments have never had a 3 month long battle with your neighbour about painting their roof white, resulting in you having to wear sunglasses in your own living room.Better yet due to the expanding deserts replacing dark green trees with bright yellow sand the situation will solve itself anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117179</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243428360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Santa Monica asked themselves what there is not to love about trees a few years ago.  And then went looking for a species that was low maintenance in a dry climate and provided lots of shade.</p><p>Now they have lots of ficus trees whose roots like to dig under sidewalks and roads, then swell, breaking said sidewalks and roads.  And have been trying to get rid of them ever since.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Santa Monica asked themselves what there is not to love about trees a few years ago .
And then went looking for a species that was low maintenance in a dry climate and provided lots of shade.Now they have lots of ficus trees whose roots like to dig under sidewalks and roads , then swell , breaking said sidewalks and roads .
And have been trying to get rid of them ever since .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Santa Monica asked themselves what there is not to love about trees a few years ago.
And then went looking for a species that was low maintenance in a dry climate and provided lots of shade.Now they have lots of ficus trees whose roots like to dig under sidewalks and roads, then swell, breaking said sidewalks and roads.
And have been trying to get rid of them ever since.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116003</id>
	<title>What about the colder areas?</title>
	<author>dlevitan</author>
	<datestamp>1243421820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This may work great for southern California, Florida, and the like, but what about places like New York? Sure, you'll lower the temperature in the summer, but you'll also lower the temperature in the winter. How will that effect carbon emissions from the need to heat more?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This may work great for southern California , Florida , and the like , but what about places like New York ?
Sure , you 'll lower the temperature in the summer , but you 'll also lower the temperature in the winter .
How will that effect carbon emissions from the need to heat more ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may work great for southern California, Florida, and the like, but what about places like New York?
Sure, you'll lower the temperature in the summer, but you'll also lower the temperature in the winter.
How will that effect carbon emissions from the need to heat more?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28121027</id>
	<title>Re:Chu's claim disproves global warming!</title>
	<author>Cymurgh</author>
	<datestamp>1243508340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No it doesn't. Greenhouse gases do keep in heat radiation. They don't stop visible light coming in from space, and they don't stop reflected visible light going back out. The visible light that is not reflected, heats the surface, which then radiates heat in the infrared, which is what is absorbed by greenhouse gases. Painting roofs white would mean more visible light is reflected back out of the atmosphere, not more heat. Do try getting a very basic grasp of the physics involved before ranting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No it does n't .
Greenhouse gases do keep in heat radiation .
They do n't stop visible light coming in from space , and they do n't stop reflected visible light going back out .
The visible light that is not reflected , heats the surface , which then radiates heat in the infrared , which is what is absorbed by greenhouse gases .
Painting roofs white would mean more visible light is reflected back out of the atmosphere , not more heat .
Do try getting a very basic grasp of the physics involved before ranting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No it doesn't.
Greenhouse gases do keep in heat radiation.
They don't stop visible light coming in from space, and they don't stop reflected visible light going back out.
The visible light that is not reflected, heats the surface, which then radiates heat in the infrared, which is what is absorbed by greenhouse gases.
Painting roofs white would mean more visible light is reflected back out of the atmosphere, not more heat.
Do try getting a very basic grasp of the physics involved before ranting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115427</id>
	<title>Re:White crop fields?</title>
	<author>paazin</author>
	<datestamp>1243419840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Can't we genetically engineer crop fields, to make the them white?<br> <br>

This is not entirely a joke, there's a similar idea in the original Gaia Hypothesis, even if only as a thought experiment.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Psh, forget Steven Chu - they should get Will Wright running this thing!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't we genetically engineer crop fields , to make the them white ?
This is not entirely a joke , there 's a similar idea in the original Gaia Hypothesis , even if only as a thought experiment .
Psh , forget Steven Chu - they should get Will Wright running this thing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't we genetically engineer crop fields, to make the them white?
This is not entirely a joke, there's a similar idea in the original Gaia Hypothesis, even if only as a thought experiment.
Psh, forget Steven Chu - they should get Will Wright running this thing!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117577</id>
	<title>Re:Let's pave the road with solar cells.</title>
	<author>NeuroManson</author>
	<datestamp>1243430880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or at least get you a few trips through time in a DeLorean @88 MPH.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or at least get you a few trips through time in a DeLorean @ 88 MPH .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or at least get you a few trips through time in a DeLorean @88 MPH.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117745</id>
	<title>just a question...</title>
	<author>xaothewretched</author>
	<datestamp>1243432140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>how much CO2 is in sunlight?
and how do dark colors take it out?
does reflecting the sunlight into the atmosphere put the CO2 into outer space?</htmltext>
<tokenext>how much CO2 is in sunlight ?
and how do dark colors take it out ?
does reflecting the sunlight into the atmosphere put the CO2 into outer space ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how much CO2 is in sunlight?
and how do dark colors take it out?
does reflecting the sunlight into the atmosphere put the CO2 into outer space?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116189</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1243422720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's too late in the sense that stopping emitting gases right now won't stop the warming process anytime soon. However with geoengineering (such as painting white) we can counter the effects right now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's too late in the sense that stopping emitting gases right now wo n't stop the warming process anytime soon .
However with geoengineering ( such as painting white ) we can counter the effects right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's too late in the sense that stopping emitting gases right now won't stop the warming process anytime soon.
However with geoengineering (such as painting white) we can counter the effects right now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28128739</id>
	<title>You don't have to do it all at once !</title>
	<author>curri</author>
	<datestamp>1243543080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know the exact numbers, but let's assume you change your roof every 20 years, so 5\% of houses will get their roof replaced this year, lets ask/push people to use lighter shades (or white), probably same cost (just replaced my roof, color didn't affect price to me, so I assume doesn't affect supply cost), in 20 years, it's all replaced (not centuries !)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know the exact numbers , but let 's assume you change your roof every 20 years , so 5 \ % of houses will get their roof replaced this year , lets ask/push people to use lighter shades ( or white ) , probably same cost ( just replaced my roof , color did n't affect price to me , so I assume does n't affect supply cost ) , in 20 years , it 's all replaced ( not centuries !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know the exact numbers, but let's assume you change your roof every 20 years, so 5\% of houses will get their roof replaced this year, lets ask/push people to use lighter shades (or white), probably same cost (just replaced my roof, color didn't affect price to me, so I assume doesn't affect supply cost), in 20 years, it's all replaced (not centuries !
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28123307</id>
	<title>Re:Big Difference</title>
	<author>swillden</author>
	<datestamp>1243523760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The democrats owe their political power to people who believe in science.</p> </div><p>A belief in science is correlated with low income and dependency on welfare?</p><p>Yes, a cheap shot, but it's about as accurate as your characterization of Democratic and Republican support (I should mention that I think both parties are despicable).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The democrats owe their political power to people who believe in science .
A belief in science is correlated with low income and dependency on welfare ? Yes , a cheap shot , but it 's about as accurate as your characterization of Democratic and Republican support ( I should mention that I think both parties are despicable ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The democrats owe their political power to people who believe in science.
A belief in science is correlated with low income and dependency on welfare?Yes, a cheap shot, but it's about as accurate as your characterization of Democratic and Republican support (I should mention that I think both parties are despicable).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116199</id>
	<title>How many Libraries of Congress is that?</title>
	<author>NotQuiteReal</author>
	<datestamp>1243422780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>one-time carbon-offset equivalent to preventing 44 billion tons of CO2 from entering the atmosphere.</i>
<br>
<br>
That doesn't mean anything to most people. Is that a lot? Is it how much the average cow belches?
<br>
<br>
Here's about how much it is; 44 billion tons of C02 is about how much CO2 a modern coal-burning power plan turns out in 44 years. China is bringing a new coal-power plant online every week to 10 days.
<br>
So, IF we could paint all of the roofs in America white by, say 2012, we could reduce the global carbon footprint to 2010 levels (about).
<br>
<br>
Seems to me this is the type of thing no one ought to be compelled to do. If any laws are made about the issue, it should be no more than to grant the right to paint your roof white, without regard to homeowners rule, city zoning laws, etc.
<br>
<br>
Now you know, a white roof might save you money, knock yourself out. Leave me out of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>one-time carbon-offset equivalent to preventing 44 billion tons of CO2 from entering the atmosphere .
That does n't mean anything to most people .
Is that a lot ?
Is it how much the average cow belches ?
Here 's about how much it is ; 44 billion tons of C02 is about how much CO2 a modern coal-burning power plan turns out in 44 years .
China is bringing a new coal-power plant online every week to 10 days .
So , IF we could paint all of the roofs in America white by , say 2012 , we could reduce the global carbon footprint to 2010 levels ( about ) .
Seems to me this is the type of thing no one ought to be compelled to do .
If any laws are made about the issue , it should be no more than to grant the right to paint your roof white , without regard to homeowners rule , city zoning laws , etc .
Now you know , a white roof might save you money , knock yourself out .
Leave me out of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>one-time carbon-offset equivalent to preventing 44 billion tons of CO2 from entering the atmosphere.
That doesn't mean anything to most people.
Is that a lot?
Is it how much the average cow belches?
Here's about how much it is; 44 billion tons of C02 is about how much CO2 a modern coal-burning power plan turns out in 44 years.
China is bringing a new coal-power plant online every week to 10 days.
So, IF we could paint all of the roofs in America white by, say 2012, we could reduce the global carbon footprint to 2010 levels (about).
Seems to me this is the type of thing no one ought to be compelled to do.
If any laws are made about the issue, it should be no more than to grant the right to paint your roof white, without regard to homeowners rule, city zoning laws, etc.
Now you know, a white roof might save you money, knock yourself out.
Leave me out of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28124855</id>
	<title>Re:Great for Global warming....</title>
	<author>cekander</author>
	<datestamp>1243530480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the world would be a better place if everybody grew herb on their roof. And if the world heats up anyway.... well fuck it. who cares?</htmltext>
<tokenext>the world would be a better place if everybody grew herb on their roof .
And if the world heats up anyway.... well fuck it .
who cares ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the world would be a better place if everybody grew herb on their roof.
And if the world heats up anyway.... well fuck it.
who cares?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115743</id>
	<title>Bad idea...</title>
	<author>DeathToBill</author>
	<datestamp>1243420920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Although this change the earth's albedo noticeably, it doesn't deal with the problem, and leaves some nasty side-effects, such as:</p><p>1.  Acidification of oceans.  If atmospheric CO2 doesn't decrease, neither does CO2 dissolved in oceans.  This means coral still dies etc etc.</p><p>2.  Rising sea levels.  In fact, it makes it worse.  Because the albedo is only change in temperate and tropical zones (there are no roofs or roads at the poles) and because the greenhouse effect continues unabated, the temperature at the poles continues to increase even though the temperature at the equator drops.  Cue melting ice-cap apocalypse etc etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Although this change the earth 's albedo noticeably , it does n't deal with the problem , and leaves some nasty side-effects , such as : 1 .
Acidification of oceans .
If atmospheric CO2 does n't decrease , neither does CO2 dissolved in oceans .
This means coral still dies etc etc.2 .
Rising sea levels .
In fact , it makes it worse .
Because the albedo is only change in temperate and tropical zones ( there are no roofs or roads at the poles ) and because the greenhouse effect continues unabated , the temperature at the poles continues to increase even though the temperature at the equator drops .
Cue melting ice-cap apocalypse etc etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although this change the earth's albedo noticeably, it doesn't deal with the problem, and leaves some nasty side-effects, such as:1.
Acidification of oceans.
If atmospheric CO2 doesn't decrease, neither does CO2 dissolved in oceans.
This means coral still dies etc etc.2.
Rising sea levels.
In fact, it makes it worse.
Because the albedo is only change in temperate and tropical zones (there are no roofs or roads at the poles) and because the greenhouse effect continues unabated, the temperature at the poles continues to increase even though the temperature at the equator drops.
Cue melting ice-cap apocalypse etc etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116353</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243423620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>a hardcore Democrat</p></div><p>Some day you useful idiot loyalists will realize that any statement along the lines of "I am a hardcore $POLITICAL\_GROUPING" is, to truly intelligent folks, the sad, wailing call of the truly fuckheaded.</p><p>You know all the middle and high level Democrats in the Party laugh their asses off at people like you, right? I did an internship during college in D.C. in the 1990s. I saw it first hand, and it's what woke *me* up to the pointless of the Parties. But live in happy, rose colored denial all you like.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>a hardcore DemocratSome day you useful idiot loyalists will realize that any statement along the lines of " I am a hardcore $ POLITICAL \ _GROUPING " is , to truly intelligent folks , the sad , wailing call of the truly fuckheaded.You know all the middle and high level Democrats in the Party laugh their asses off at people like you , right ?
I did an internship during college in D.C. in the 1990s .
I saw it first hand , and it 's what woke * me * up to the pointless of the Parties .
But live in happy , rose colored denial all you like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a hardcore DemocratSome day you useful idiot loyalists will realize that any statement along the lines of "I am a hardcore $POLITICAL\_GROUPING" is, to truly intelligent folks, the sad, wailing call of the truly fuckheaded.You know all the middle and high level Democrats in the Party laugh their asses off at people like you, right?
I did an internship during college in D.C. in the 1990s.
I saw it first hand, and it's what woke *me* up to the pointless of the Parties.
But live in happy, rose colored denial all you like.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119319</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243446660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$$$$ - altering something as common as roads, even if it is only a modest increase in cost will amount to a significant investment of money.  Money that will likely be in the form of higher taxes.  Do you understand the snark now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ $ $ $ - altering something as common as roads , even if it is only a modest increase in cost will amount to a significant investment of money .
Money that will likely be in the form of higher taxes .
Do you understand the snark now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$$$$ - altering something as common as roads, even if it is only a modest increase in cost will amount to a significant investment of money.
Money that will likely be in the form of higher taxes.
Do you understand the snark now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115753</id>
	<title>It's About Time....</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1243420980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone else love this idea simply due to the fact that it will make roads visible at night? I, for one, am sick of driving on unlit country roads and only having the fogline to navigate by. Oh, and on roads with heavy chains usage you might as well be driving blind at night, you can't even see the edge of damned road because the chains tear the fogline paint up so bad. Bring on the paint, it would be a nice change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone else love this idea simply due to the fact that it will make roads visible at night ?
I , for one , am sick of driving on unlit country roads and only having the fogline to navigate by .
Oh , and on roads with heavy chains usage you might as well be driving blind at night , you ca n't even see the edge of damned road because the chains tear the fogline paint up so bad .
Bring on the paint , it would be a nice change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone else love this idea simply due to the fact that it will make roads visible at night?
I, for one, am sick of driving on unlit country roads and only having the fogline to navigate by.
Oh, and on roads with heavy chains usage you might as well be driving blind at night, you can't even see the edge of damned road because the chains tear the fogline paint up so bad.
Bring on the paint, it would be a nice change.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117753</id>
	<title>That's not what Rush said.....</title>
	<author>daemonenwind</author>
	<datestamp>1243432200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Here's the part of the transcript where he leads the caller on, who is really the person who said that, and Rush debunking it.</p><p>Try reading the entire FA you link to.</p><p>CALLER:  I listened to your show last hour, but I don't know who came up with this, but I think they have it backwards.  If you want to cool the air or the atmospheric you should paint all cars black.</p><p>RUSH:  Explain this.</p><p>CALLER:  Well, black absorbs.  I have a black car.  It's warmer only on the inside.  The air above it is actually cooler.  If you want to warm the atmosphere, you're going to paint all cars white.  It reflects.  It reflects what?  Heat and light.</p><p>RUSH:  Well, but see, we're a little confused on the intention here.  Because the story only says that they want to reduce the heat inside cars to reduce automobile air-conditioning usage, and the less automobile air-conditioning usage, the less emissions, the less gasoline used, and therefore the less damage to the planet.  Now, what you're saying is --</p><p>CALLER:  Yeah.</p><p>RUSH:  --  that if you're right, if these white cars, if these light colored cars are going to reflect the heat then that's just going to make global warming even worse, right?</p><p>CALLER:  I would think so.</p><p>RUSH:  Yeah.  And so what you need to do is have every car be black like the old Model Ts were, so that the earth gets cooler.</p><p>CALLER:  Yes, it will use a little bit more air-conditioning in the summertime than a person with a white car.</p><p>RUSH:  I bet you don't.  I'll bet you that's bogus.</p><p>CALLER:  Well, no, that is technically true.  The car is actually a little bit warmer on the inside, a black car.  But, it balances out --</p><p>RUSH:  Okay, you get in the car in the summertime, let's use Florida.</p><p>CALLER:  Okay.</p><p>RUSH:  I have black cars, and I'll guaran-damn-tee you, if I'm playing golf for five hours, and I got a white car or black car, if I get in either one of those cars, it's gonna be an oven because I lock it and keep the windows up, because everybody knows my car, don't want any vandalism, I don't care if it's ten degrees cooler in the white car or the black car, it's still going to be an oven in there --</p><p>CALLER:  Oh, yes.</p><p>RUSH:  -- and the AC is going on full blast!</p><p>CALLER:  It's hot either way.</p><p>RUSH:  All right.  So the whole thing is just bogus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the part of the transcript where he leads the caller on , who is really the person who said that , and Rush debunking it.Try reading the entire FA you link to.CALLER : I listened to your show last hour , but I do n't know who came up with this , but I think they have it backwards .
If you want to cool the air or the atmospheric you should paint all cars black.RUSH : Explain this.CALLER : Well , black absorbs .
I have a black car .
It 's warmer only on the inside .
The air above it is actually cooler .
If you want to warm the atmosphere , you 're going to paint all cars white .
It reflects .
It reflects what ?
Heat and light.RUSH : Well , but see , we 're a little confused on the intention here .
Because the story only says that they want to reduce the heat inside cars to reduce automobile air-conditioning usage , and the less automobile air-conditioning usage , the less emissions , the less gasoline used , and therefore the less damage to the planet .
Now , what you 're saying is --CALLER : Yeah.RUSH : -- that if you 're right , if these white cars , if these light colored cars are going to reflect the heat then that 's just going to make global warming even worse , right ? CALLER : I would think so.RUSH : Yeah .
And so what you need to do is have every car be black like the old Model Ts were , so that the earth gets cooler.CALLER : Yes , it will use a little bit more air-conditioning in the summertime than a person with a white car.RUSH : I bet you do n't .
I 'll bet you that 's bogus.CALLER : Well , no , that is technically true .
The car is actually a little bit warmer on the inside , a black car .
But , it balances out --RUSH : Okay , you get in the car in the summertime , let 's use Florida.CALLER : Okay.RUSH : I have black cars , and I 'll guaran-damn-tee you , if I 'm playing golf for five hours , and I got a white car or black car , if I get in either one of those cars , it 's gon na be an oven because I lock it and keep the windows up , because everybody knows my car , do n't want any vandalism , I do n't care if it 's ten degrees cooler in the white car or the black car , it 's still going to be an oven in there --CALLER : Oh , yes.RUSH : -- and the AC is going on full blast ! CALLER : It 's hot either way.RUSH : All right .
So the whole thing is just bogus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the part of the transcript where he leads the caller on, who is really the person who said that, and Rush debunking it.Try reading the entire FA you link to.CALLER:  I listened to your show last hour, but I don't know who came up with this, but I think they have it backwards.
If you want to cool the air or the atmospheric you should paint all cars black.RUSH:  Explain this.CALLER:  Well, black absorbs.
I have a black car.
It's warmer only on the inside.
The air above it is actually cooler.
If you want to warm the atmosphere, you're going to paint all cars white.
It reflects.
It reflects what?
Heat and light.RUSH:  Well, but see, we're a little confused on the intention here.
Because the story only says that they want to reduce the heat inside cars to reduce automobile air-conditioning usage, and the less automobile air-conditioning usage, the less emissions, the less gasoline used, and therefore the less damage to the planet.
Now, what you're saying is --CALLER:  Yeah.RUSH:  --  that if you're right, if these white cars, if these light colored cars are going to reflect the heat then that's just going to make global warming even worse, right?CALLER:  I would think so.RUSH:  Yeah.
And so what you need to do is have every car be black like the old Model Ts were, so that the earth gets cooler.CALLER:  Yes, it will use a little bit more air-conditioning in the summertime than a person with a white car.RUSH:  I bet you don't.
I'll bet you that's bogus.CALLER:  Well, no, that is technically true.
The car is actually a little bit warmer on the inside, a black car.
But, it balances out --RUSH:  Okay, you get in the car in the summertime, let's use Florida.CALLER:  Okay.RUSH:  I have black cars, and I'll guaran-damn-tee you, if I'm playing golf for five hours, and I got a white car or black car, if I get in either one of those cars, it's gonna be an oven because I lock it and keep the windows up, because everybody knows my car, don't want any vandalism, I don't care if it's ten degrees cooler in the white car or the black car, it's still going to be an oven in there --CALLER:  Oh, yes.RUSH:  -- and the AC is going on full blast!CALLER:  It's hot either way.RUSH:  All right.
So the whole thing is just bogus.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116377</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243423740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is this a free lunch?  Looking at just the money - do you really think that the government can honestly repaint, resurface, and grow 3 shade trees per house for less than $100 per house?  Paint isn't free, maintaining road surfaces isn't free, trees aren't free, and labor isn't free.  Throw in government overhead and incompetent program management, and you can't make a "think of the cost savings" argument for it anymore.  Other reasons, sure, but not cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this a free lunch ?
Looking at just the money - do you really think that the government can honestly repaint , resurface , and grow 3 shade trees per house for less than $ 100 per house ?
Paint is n't free , maintaining road surfaces is n't free , trees are n't free , and labor is n't free .
Throw in government overhead and incompetent program management , and you ca n't make a " think of the cost savings " argument for it anymore .
Other reasons , sure , but not cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this a free lunch?
Looking at just the money - do you really think that the government can honestly repaint, resurface, and grow 3 shade trees per house for less than $100 per house?
Paint isn't free, maintaining road surfaces isn't free, trees aren't free, and labor isn't free.
Throw in government overhead and incompetent program management, and you can't make a "think of the cost savings" argument for it anymore.
Other reasons, sure, but not cost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119211</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>The\_Quinn</author>
	<datestamp>1243445640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only way to eliminate mankind's effects on the climate is to eliminate mankind.</p><p>If people have a right to exist - the environment will be affected.</p><p>If people have a right to pursue comfort and happiness, it will be affected even more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only way to eliminate mankind 's effects on the climate is to eliminate mankind.If people have a right to exist - the environment will be affected.If people have a right to pursue comfort and happiness , it will be affected even more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only way to eliminate mankind's effects on the climate is to eliminate mankind.If people have a right to exist - the environment will be affected.If people have a right to pursue comfort and happiness, it will be affected even more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28128495</id>
	<title>nobody says do it all at once</title>
	<author>curri</author>
	<datestamp>1243542420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back of the envelope, if roofs last an average of 20 years, we're replacing 5\% of the roofs every year; lets replace with lighter shades. I just did that (they didn't have the good shingles in white, so I chose the lighter possible shade of gray they had). Only about a month in,  AC runs noticeably less now (but we'll see when the real Summer is in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back of the envelope , if roofs last an average of 20 years , we 're replacing 5 \ % of the roofs every year ; lets replace with lighter shades .
I just did that ( they did n't have the good shingles in white , so I chose the lighter possible shade of gray they had ) .
Only about a month in , AC runs noticeably less now ( but we 'll see when the real Summer is in : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back of the envelope, if roofs last an average of 20 years, we're replacing 5\% of the roofs every year; lets replace with lighter shades.
I just did that (they didn't have the good shingles in white, so I chose the lighter possible shade of gray they had).
Only about a month in,  AC runs noticeably less now (but we'll see when the real Summer is in :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115459</id>
	<title>Re:White crop fields?</title>
	<author>sweetking</author>
	<datestamp>1243419960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This may be a problem seeing that chlorophyll makes them so green and the fact that reflecting sunlight from an organism that uses the sun to create energy is probably not a good idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This may be a problem seeing that chlorophyll makes them so green and the fact that reflecting sunlight from an organism that uses the sun to create energy is probably not a good idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may be a problem seeing that chlorophyll makes them so green and the fact that reflecting sunlight from an organism that uses the sun to create energy is probably not a good idea.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115191</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116045</id>
	<title>what about all that paint?</title>
	<author>MITpianoman</author>
	<datestamp>1243422000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's all good and fine, except for the side-effects of producing all that white paint.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's all good and fine , except for the side-effects of producing all that white paint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's all good and fine, except for the side-effects of producing all that white paint.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115195</id>
	<title>Light Pollution</title>
	<author>AnonGCB</author>
	<datestamp>1243419240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, nobody is worried about even worse light pollution from this? The night sky is already obfuscated in most cities, even in smaller cities and suburbs. I do agree something needs to be done, but the negatives seem to outweigh the benefits here (from the few comments I've read)</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , nobody is worried about even worse light pollution from this ?
The night sky is already obfuscated in most cities , even in smaller cities and suburbs .
I do agree something needs to be done , but the negatives seem to outweigh the benefits here ( from the few comments I 've read )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, nobody is worried about even worse light pollution from this?
The night sky is already obfuscated in most cities, even in smaller cities and suburbs.
I do agree something needs to be done, but the negatives seem to outweigh the benefits here (from the few comments I've read)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115341</id>
	<title>Or...</title>
	<author>psnyder</author>
	<datestamp>1243419600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We could just <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/video/in\_the\_know\_should\_the\_government" title="theonion.com">throw money into a giant hole</a> [theonion.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>We could just throw money into a giant hole [ theonion.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We could just throw money into a giant hole [theonion.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116031</id>
	<title>Re:White paint or solar panels?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243421940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>    Or we could put solar panels on roofs and convert the sunlight, that would ordinarily be<br>converted to heat, into electricity which I am sure we could find a use for.</p></div><p>Why don't we paint the solar panels white? Best of both worlds!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or we could put solar panels on roofs and convert the sunlight , that would ordinarily beconverted to heat , into electricity which I am sure we could find a use for.Why do n't we paint the solar panels white ?
Best of both worlds !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>    Or we could put solar panels on roofs and convert the sunlight, that would ordinarily beconverted to heat, into electricity which I am sure we could find a use for.Why don't we paint the solar panels white?
Best of both worlds!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115339</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28123495</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>swillden</author>
	<datestamp>1243524600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seriously, if science has taught us *anything* it's that tampering with things we don't understand almost always makes them worse. Even when - actually, maybe that should be especially when - we're trying to "correct" a "mistake we've made".</p></div><p>Hmm.  I thought it was comic books that taught us that lesson.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , if science has taught us * anything * it 's that tampering with things we do n't understand almost always makes them worse .
Even when - actually , maybe that should be especially when - we 're trying to " correct " a " mistake we 've made " .Hmm .
I thought it was comic books that taught us that lesson .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, if science has taught us *anything* it's that tampering with things we don't understand almost always makes them worse.
Even when - actually, maybe that should be especially when - we're trying to "correct" a "mistake we've made".Hmm.
I thought it was comic books that taught us that lesson.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115653</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115049</id>
	<title>Unfortunately...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243418760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately, producing the massive amounts of white paint needed to paint all these surfaces and maintain them produces about as much CO2 as was saved by starting this excellent project.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , producing the massive amounts of white paint needed to paint all these surfaces and maintain them produces about as much CO2 as was saved by starting this excellent project .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, producing the massive amounts of white paint needed to paint all these surfaces and maintain them produces about as much CO2 as was saved by starting this excellent project.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115469</id>
	<title>I think I have heard this somewhere...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243420020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seriously sounds like an idea Hitler would have.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seriously sounds like an idea Hitler would have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seriously sounds like an idea Hitler would have.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116069</id>
	<title>Yeah, sure, it's not sexy.</title>
	<author>whathappenedtomonday</author>
	<datestamp>1243422060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right, and (just see the replies) therefore it's not gonna happen. See, here at<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. we have a lot of people that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... let's just say we are a bit above average. Still, there's people like bonch with a low UID saying "If I want less smog, I'll move out of L.A." - basically, that means "I don't care a f\/ck."<br> <br>
It is this one planet we live on that we destroy and render inhabitable, and we don't have a backup. Still, stupidity and ignorance and lazyness and greed will keep us from doing the right thing, even if it is as easy as "Paint stuff white, it works!".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , and ( just see the replies ) therefore it 's not gon na happen .
See , here at / .
we have a lot of people that ... let 's just say we are a bit above average .
Still , there 's people like bonch with a low UID saying " If I want less smog , I 'll move out of L.A. " - basically , that means " I do n't care a f \ /ck .
" It is this one planet we live on that we destroy and render inhabitable , and we do n't have a backup .
Still , stupidity and ignorance and lazyness and greed will keep us from doing the right thing , even if it is as easy as " Paint stuff white , it works !
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, and (just see the replies) therefore it's not gonna happen.
See, here at /.
we have a lot of people that ... let's just say we are a bit above average.
Still, there's people like bonch with a low UID saying "If I want less smog, I'll move out of L.A." - basically, that means "I don't care a f\/ck.
" 
It is this one planet we live on that we destroy and render inhabitable, and we don't have a backup.
Still, stupidity and ignorance and lazyness and greed will keep us from doing the right thing, even if it is as easy as "Paint stuff white, it works!
".</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115285</id>
	<title>According to Rush Limbaugh ...</title>
	<author>tiedyejeremy</author>
	<datestamp>1243419480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>White paint CAUSES GLOBAL WARMING by reflecting light into the atmosphere!

<a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site\_032609/content/01125110.guest.html" title="rushlimbaugh.com">http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site\_032609/content/01125110.guest.html</a> [rushlimbaugh.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>White paint CAUSES GLOBAL WARMING by reflecting light into the atmosphere !
http : //www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site \ _032609/content/01125110.guest.html [ rushlimbaugh.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>White paint CAUSES GLOBAL WARMING by reflecting light into the atmosphere!
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site\_032609/content/01125110.guest.html [rushlimbaugh.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115365</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1243419660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't you know?  The wind blows one way, than the other.  We're doomed, then not doomed.  Followed by we're so guilty we're already screwed that we should just wipe out humanity for the next apex species.</p><p>Yeah, seriously this stuff gets old pretty quick.  Half the reason why you can't take stalk in most of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you know ?
The wind blows one way , than the other .
We 're doomed , then not doomed .
Followed by we 're so guilty we 're already screwed that we should just wipe out humanity for the next apex species.Yeah , seriously this stuff gets old pretty quick .
Half the reason why you ca n't take stalk in most of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you know?
The wind blows one way, than the other.
We're doomed, then not doomed.
Followed by we're so guilty we're already screwed that we should just wipe out humanity for the next apex species.Yeah, seriously this stuff gets old pretty quick.
Half the reason why you can't take stalk in most of it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115047</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28118145</id>
	<title>Heat Island Effect</title>
	<author>SrLnclt</author>
	<datestamp>1243435260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Imagine that - lighter colored surfaces remain cooler, while black roofs and asphalt heat up and locally increase the surrounding temperatures, especially in urban areas.  Could this be why the rating system for LEED (pretty much the standard in the US for certifying "green" buildings) for years has offered points for minimizing the "Heat Island Effect", for both roof and non-roof surfaces?<br>
<br>
Just because it's not common practice yet in the US doesn't mean it takes a Nobel Prize winning Physicist to come up with ideas like this...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine that - lighter colored surfaces remain cooler , while black roofs and asphalt heat up and locally increase the surrounding temperatures , especially in urban areas .
Could this be why the rating system for LEED ( pretty much the standard in the US for certifying " green " buildings ) for years has offered points for minimizing the " Heat Island Effect " , for both roof and non-roof surfaces ?
Just because it 's not common practice yet in the US does n't mean it takes a Nobel Prize winning Physicist to come up with ideas like this.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine that - lighter colored surfaces remain cooler, while black roofs and asphalt heat up and locally increase the surrounding temperatures, especially in urban areas.
Could this be why the rating system for LEED (pretty much the standard in the US for certifying "green" buildings) for years has offered points for minimizing the "Heat Island Effect", for both roof and non-roof surfaces?
Just because it's not common practice yet in the US doesn't mean it takes a Nobel Prize winning Physicist to come up with ideas like this...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119475</id>
	<title>Re:Unfortunately...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243448100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Proving once again, that an educated idiot is still an idiot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Proving once again , that an educated idiot is still an idiot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Proving once again, that an educated idiot is still an idiot.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115639</id>
	<title>White rocks on your roof count?</title>
	<author>YCrCb</author>
	<datestamp>1243420560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have white rocks on my roof!

and before anyone asks... Yes, I live in California.  It NEVER snows here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have white rocks on my roof !
and before anyone asks... Yes , I live in California .
It NEVER snows here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have white rocks on my roof!
and before anyone asks... Yes, I live in California.
It NEVER snows here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116549</id>
	<title>Light... White....</title>
	<author>anonymousNR</author>
	<datestamp>1243424640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>how about white clothes, and white wings attached to our backs and little golden rings on the head, wait a minute.</htmltext>
<tokenext>how about white clothes , and white wings attached to our backs and little golden rings on the head , wait a minute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how about white clothes, and white wings attached to our backs and little golden rings on the head, wait a minute.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28114955</id>
	<title>Pavement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243418520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Makes me wonder why roofs and not pavement. There's a lot of roads and parking lots around the world. Seems like there's more surface area of those than roofs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Makes me wonder why roofs and not pavement .
There 's a lot of roads and parking lots around the world .
Seems like there 's more surface area of those than roofs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Makes me wonder why roofs and not pavement.
There's a lot of roads and parking lots around the world.
Seems like there's more surface area of those than roofs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117211</id>
	<title>One issue i did not see yet....</title>
	<author>hurfy</author>
	<datestamp>1243428540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you paint everything white it stays lighter at night<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p><p>Do we all want perpetual Alaska summers down here? I know when we get a good snowfall it is almost as bright as day all night long if there is any clouds at all to reflect off of. Not sure i want that effect on EVERY cloudy day for all time. It won't be quite as pronounced as snowfall, since roofs and stuff is only 20\% or so of what stays covered in snow, but that is still a lot of light bouncing around.</p><p>Not that it matters. Unless someone is going to give us a new roof it is 28 years away for us hopefully. We certainly aren't going to whitewash the pretty (and pretty high-end) green shingles i picked out in 2007. Maybe if someone makes (and subsidizes!) white and pastel roof shingles to sell cheaper than current it would catch in a few decades....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you paint everything white it stays lighter at night : ( Do we all want perpetual Alaska summers down here ?
I know when we get a good snowfall it is almost as bright as day all night long if there is any clouds at all to reflect off of .
Not sure i want that effect on EVERY cloudy day for all time .
It wo n't be quite as pronounced as snowfall , since roofs and stuff is only 20 \ % or so of what stays covered in snow , but that is still a lot of light bouncing around.Not that it matters .
Unless someone is going to give us a new roof it is 28 years away for us hopefully .
We certainly are n't going to whitewash the pretty ( and pretty high-end ) green shingles i picked out in 2007 .
Maybe if someone makes ( and subsidizes !
) white and pastel roof shingles to sell cheaper than current it would catch in a few decades... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you paint everything white it stays lighter at night :(Do we all want perpetual Alaska summers down here?
I know when we get a good snowfall it is almost as bright as day all night long if there is any clouds at all to reflect off of.
Not sure i want that effect on EVERY cloudy day for all time.
It won't be quite as pronounced as snowfall, since roofs and stuff is only 20\% or so of what stays covered in snow, but that is still a lot of light bouncing around.Not that it matters.
Unless someone is going to give us a new roof it is 28 years away for us hopefully.
We certainly aren't going to whitewash the pretty (and pretty high-end) green shingles i picked out in 2007.
Maybe if someone makes (and subsidizes!
) white and pastel roof shingles to sell cheaper than current it would catch in a few decades....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28139163</id>
	<title>Re:It's Kelvintastic!</title>
	<author>insane\_membrane</author>
	<datestamp>1243613580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Um I believe that they are talking about 2 Kelvin (aka 2 C).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Um I believe that they are talking about 2 Kelvin ( aka 2 C ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um I believe that they are talking about 2 Kelvin (aka 2 C).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116379</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115649</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243420620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm totally shocked that a self-professed hardcore Democrat is congratulating his Democrat president and supporting whatever his appointee says.  Let's paint an entire city white based on a computer simulation.  These are the kinds of ideas that people laugh at ten years from now.</p><p>The moment my government is telling me what color to paint my house is the moment I know my freedom is gone.  If I want less smog, I'll move out of L.A.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm totally shocked that a self-professed hardcore Democrat is congratulating his Democrat president and supporting whatever his appointee says .
Let 's paint an entire city white based on a computer simulation .
These are the kinds of ideas that people laugh at ten years from now.The moment my government is telling me what color to paint my house is the moment I know my freedom is gone .
If I want less smog , I 'll move out of L.A .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm totally shocked that a self-professed hardcore Democrat is congratulating his Democrat president and supporting whatever his appointee says.
Let's paint an entire city white based on a computer simulation.
These are the kinds of ideas that people laugh at ten years from now.The moment my government is telling me what color to paint my house is the moment I know my freedom is gone.
If I want less smog, I'll move out of L.A.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115137</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117409</id>
	<title>Big Difference</title>
	<author>copponex</author>
	<datestamp>1243429860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The democrats owe their political power to people who believe in science. The republicans owe their political power to people who believe in God.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The democrats owe their political power to people who believe in science .
The republicans owe their political power to people who believe in God .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The democrats owe their political power to people who believe in science.
The republicans owe their political power to people who believe in God.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115725</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115557</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1243420260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I find the color 190 190 255 quite "sexy", and it's almost white. Open up an image editor and try it. It would be good especially for roads I imagine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find the color 190 190 255 quite " sexy " , and it 's almost white .
Open up an image editor and try it .
It would be good especially for roads I imagine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find the color 190 190 255 quite "sexy", and it's almost white.
Open up an image editor and try it.
It would be good especially for roads I imagine.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115137</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115133</id>
	<title>Double benefit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243419000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whitewash also absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere and turns into Calcium carbonate to get that milky white look, so in addition to reflecting sunlight, we also remove some CO2 from the air. On the downside, whitewashed walls look butt ugly.<br> <br> Anyone know what the environment/economic cost of making all that whitewash is?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whitewash also absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere and turns into Calcium carbonate to get that milky white look , so in addition to reflecting sunlight , we also remove some CO2 from the air .
On the downside , whitewashed walls look butt ugly .
Anyone know what the environment/economic cost of making all that whitewash is ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whitewash also absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere and turns into Calcium carbonate to get that milky white look, so in addition to reflecting sunlight, we also remove some CO2 from the air.
On the downside, whitewashed walls look butt ugly.
Anyone know what the environment/economic cost of making all that whitewash is?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115461</id>
	<title>Ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243419960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Paint roofs white? With the efficiency increases in photo-electric technology, why not put solar panels on every roof? Not only would we reduce the amount of heat being re-radiated back into the atmosphere but, if done on a global scale, we'd eliminate one of the primary reasons for climate change in the first place : the burning of fossil fuels. And before you respond with "but it will cost too much and generate more CO2 than it eliminates" let me give you one word : <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping" title="wikipedia.org">Bootstrapping</a> [wikipedia.org]. That's right -- Use the power from the existing global infrastructure for solar energy capture to build more global infrastructure for solar energy capture; That way, you would generate a minimal amount of greenhouse gases in the manufacture of new solar panels while at the same time creating a self-sustaining positive feedback loop wherein the more energy we can capture, the more energy capture infrastructure we can build, resulting in our ability to capture more energy.<br> <br>I didn't RTFA but the summary sounds retarded.
<br> <br>
jdb2</htmltext>
<tokenext>Paint roofs white ?
With the efficiency increases in photo-electric technology , why not put solar panels on every roof ?
Not only would we reduce the amount of heat being re-radiated back into the atmosphere but , if done on a global scale , we 'd eliminate one of the primary reasons for climate change in the first place : the burning of fossil fuels .
And before you respond with " but it will cost too much and generate more CO2 than it eliminates " let me give you one word : Bootstrapping [ wikipedia.org ] .
That 's right -- Use the power from the existing global infrastructure for solar energy capture to build more global infrastructure for solar energy capture ; That way , you would generate a minimal amount of greenhouse gases in the manufacture of new solar panels while at the same time creating a self-sustaining positive feedback loop wherein the more energy we can capture , the more energy capture infrastructure we can build , resulting in our ability to capture more energy .
I did n't RTFA but the summary sounds retarded .
jdb2</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paint roofs white?
With the efficiency increases in photo-electric technology, why not put solar panels on every roof?
Not only would we reduce the amount of heat being re-radiated back into the atmosphere but, if done on a global scale, we'd eliminate one of the primary reasons for climate change in the first place : the burning of fossil fuels.
And before you respond with "but it will cost too much and generate more CO2 than it eliminates" let me give you one word : Bootstrapping [wikipedia.org].
That's right -- Use the power from the existing global infrastructure for solar energy capture to build more global infrastructure for solar energy capture; That way, you would generate a minimal amount of greenhouse gases in the manufacture of new solar panels while at the same time creating a self-sustaining positive feedback loop wherein the more energy we can capture, the more energy capture infrastructure we can build, resulting in our ability to capture more energy.
I didn't RTFA but the summary sounds retarded.
jdb2</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116469</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Nimey</author>
	<datestamp>1243424280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much water they use if you're in an arid area, and as the other poster noted idiots tend to place taller species of tree near power lines.</p><p>I like trees too, but they're not suitable everywhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much water they use if you 're in an arid area , and as the other poster noted idiots tend to place taller species of tree near power lines.I like trees too , but they 're not suitable everywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much water they use if you're in an arid area, and as the other poster noted idiots tend to place taller species of tree near power lines.I like trees too, but they're not suitable everywhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115249</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1243419360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm curious -- how did you get that global warming is reversible out of: <i>"'This does not make the problem of global warming go away. But we can buy ourselves some time.'"</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm curious -- how did you get that global warming is reversible out of : " 'This does not make the problem of global warming go away .
But we can buy ourselves some time .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm curious -- how did you get that global warming is reversible out of: "'This does not make the problem of global warming go away.
But we can buy ourselves some time.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115749</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>DigiShaman</author>
	<datestamp>1243420980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Two to three degrees in temperature reduction in a major city just by resurfacing, repainting, and planting trees. Yeah, sure, it's not sexy</p></div></blockquote><p>Hey, I love trees. They're green, provide shade, and help increase the property value in a city. What's not to love about them?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two to three degrees in temperature reduction in a major city just by resurfacing , repainting , and planting trees .
Yeah , sure , it 's not sexyHey , I love trees .
They 're green , provide shade , and help increase the property value in a city .
What 's not to love about them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two to three degrees in temperature reduction in a major city just by resurfacing, repainting, and planting trees.
Yeah, sure, it's not sexyHey, I love trees.
They're green, provide shade, and help increase the property value in a city.
What's not to love about them?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28124939</id>
	<title>I'm excited about this....</title>
	<author>motherpusbucket</author>
	<datestamp>1243530840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I plan to paint my roof white with lead-based paint.  When I'm done, I'm going to host a spotted owl fry for the neighborhood.  I also will serve some snail darter 'poppers'.  They go great with beer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I plan to paint my roof white with lead-based paint .
When I 'm done , I 'm going to host a spotted owl fry for the neighborhood .
I also will serve some snail darter 'poppers' .
They go great with beer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I plan to paint my roof white with lead-based paint.
When I'm done, I'm going to host a spotted owl fry for the neighborhood.
I also will serve some snail darter 'poppers'.
They go great with beer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28118085</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>rpillala</author>
	<datestamp>1243434720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually you can observe what the response would be by seeing how people responded to Obama suggesting that people make sure their tires are properly inflated.  Lots of people made fun of that.  As I recall, however, McCain said it was a pretty sensible idea.</p><p>I'm not 100\% on that last part.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually you can observe what the response would be by seeing how people responded to Obama suggesting that people make sure their tires are properly inflated .
Lots of people made fun of that .
As I recall , however , McCain said it was a pretty sensible idea.I 'm not 100 \ % on that last part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually you can observe what the response would be by seeing how people responded to Obama suggesting that people make sure their tires are properly inflated.
Lots of people made fun of that.
As I recall, however, McCain said it was a pretty sensible idea.I'm not 100\% on that last part.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115157</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1243419120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Or do climate-change types believe stuff whenever it's convenient for them?</p></div><p>yes</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or do climate-change types believe stuff whenever it 's convenient for them ? yes</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or do climate-change types believe stuff whenever it's convenient for them?yes
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115485</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1243420020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First off, it's the TV, oplease use a grain of salt, baring that use some brain cells.</p><p>Second, stopping all emission right jow would still take years to remove the CO2, assuming we let forests grow large enough to absorb it.</p><p>None of this means  we should do what we can to not make it worse.<br>Personally, I would rather he focused on Industrial Solar Thermal and IFRs. We need to be all electric. I want to get to a point where no petroleum is burned to ru a generator or motor ever again.<br>This would do us a lot more good then white roofs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , it 's the TV , oplease use a grain of salt , baring that use some brain cells.Second , stopping all emission right jow would still take years to remove the CO2 , assuming we let forests grow large enough to absorb it.None of this means we should do what we can to not make it worse.Personally , I would rather he focused on Industrial Solar Thermal and IFRs .
We need to be all electric .
I want to get to a point where no petroleum is burned to ru a generator or motor ever again.This would do us a lot more good then white roofs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, it's the TV, oplease use a grain of salt, baring that use some brain cells.Second, stopping all emission right jow would still take years to remove the CO2, assuming we let forests grow large enough to absorb it.None of this means  we should do what we can to not make it worse.Personally, I would rather he focused on Industrial Solar Thermal and IFRs.
We need to be all electric.
I want to get to a point where no petroleum is burned to ru a generator or motor ever again.This would do us a lot more good then white roofs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28130829</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243507920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because solar panels are really, really fucking expensive. Cost of covering a roof with solar panels: on the order of $10,000 or more, and not going to go down much soon. Cost of painting a roof white: $100 or so. Including labour. If you do it when the house is being built, it's basically free.</p><p>Your "bootstrapping" idea doesn't solve this, because most of the cost of solar panel manufacture isn't in the electricity, it's in the MASSIVE initial investment to build the fabs, and the opportunity cost of making solar panels rather than something high volume and margin like CPUs.</p><p>This is why environmentalists aren't taken seriously.</p><p>Footnote: nuclear is the solution to basically every energy problem, but absorbing less heat can't be a bad thing!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because solar panels are really , really fucking expensive .
Cost of covering a roof with solar panels : on the order of $ 10,000 or more , and not going to go down much soon .
Cost of painting a roof white : $ 100 or so .
Including labour .
If you do it when the house is being built , it 's basically free.Your " bootstrapping " idea does n't solve this , because most of the cost of solar panel manufacture is n't in the electricity , it 's in the MASSIVE initial investment to build the fabs , and the opportunity cost of making solar panels rather than something high volume and margin like CPUs.This is why environmentalists are n't taken seriously.Footnote : nuclear is the solution to basically every energy problem , but absorbing less heat ca n't be a bad thing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because solar panels are really, really fucking expensive.
Cost of covering a roof with solar panels: on the order of $10,000 or more, and not going to go down much soon.
Cost of painting a roof white: $100 or so.
Including labour.
If you do it when the house is being built, it's basically free.Your "bootstrapping" idea doesn't solve this, because most of the cost of solar panel manufacture isn't in the electricity, it's in the MASSIVE initial investment to build the fabs, and the opportunity cost of making solar panels rather than something high volume and margin like CPUs.This is why environmentalists aren't taken seriously.Footnote: nuclear is the solution to basically every energy problem, but absorbing less heat can't be a bad thing!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115901</id>
	<title>Re:Light Pollution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243421520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lisa Simpson, is that you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lisa Simpson , is that you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lisa Simpson, is that you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116899</id>
	<title>Common practice..</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1243426500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is already common practice in many tropical locations with flat roofs (as seen in TFA in the video).  The problem is keeping them clean -- mildew grows pretty fast in warm moist climates.  Biennial cleaning is necessary at a *bare minimum*, and even then the roof will still be largely covered by the time it's due for cleaning.</p><p>In temperate climates, you won't have as much of a net gain because you'll be losing natural heating during the winter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is already common practice in many tropical locations with flat roofs ( as seen in TFA in the video ) .
The problem is keeping them clean -- mildew grows pretty fast in warm moist climates .
Biennial cleaning is necessary at a * bare minimum * , and even then the roof will still be largely covered by the time it 's due for cleaning.In temperate climates , you wo n't have as much of a net gain because you 'll be losing natural heating during the winter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is already common practice in many tropical locations with flat roofs (as seen in TFA in the video).
The problem is keeping them clean -- mildew grows pretty fast in warm moist climates.
Biennial cleaning is necessary at a *bare minimum*, and even then the roof will still be largely covered by the time it's due for cleaning.In temperate climates, you won't have as much of a net gain because you'll be losing natural heating during the winter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115815</id>
	<title>Re:According to Rush Limbaugh ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243421220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, I think this is the first time I've ever heard him say something nice about something black.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , I think this is the first time I 've ever heard him say something nice about something black .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, I think this is the first time I've ever heard him say something nice about something black.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119671</id>
	<title>Re:Big Difference</title>
	<author>bnenning</author>
	<datestamp>1243450080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The democrats owe their political power to people who believe in science.</i></p><p>Once Democrats start talking about economics they're as deep into magical thinking as the Republicans. And there are quite a few <a href="http://darwincentral.org/" title="darwincentral.org">rational conservatives</a> [darwincentral.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The democrats owe their political power to people who believe in science.Once Democrats start talking about economics they 're as deep into magical thinking as the Republicans .
And there are quite a few rational conservatives [ darwincentral.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The democrats owe their political power to people who believe in science.Once Democrats start talking about economics they're as deep into magical thinking as the Republicans.
And there are quite a few rational conservatives [darwincentral.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115839</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243421340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, in localized environments like a city it can make a difference. It won't make a lick of difference to the planet as a whole though. The energy in the system will remain in the system. If anything reflecting that light/heat energy back into the atmosphere will raise the air temperature of the upper atmosphere. Maybe it will go from -30 to -29.8 or something. Now, at that level of atmosphere a half degree difference may very well impact weather systems. Problem is we have no idea how they will affect them. It's another kneejerk response with unknown consequences. Not a good way to play with our climate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , in localized environments like a city it can make a difference .
It wo n't make a lick of difference to the planet as a whole though .
The energy in the system will remain in the system .
If anything reflecting that light/heat energy back into the atmosphere will raise the air temperature of the upper atmosphere .
Maybe it will go from -30 to -29.8 or something .
Now , at that level of atmosphere a half degree difference may very well impact weather systems .
Problem is we have no idea how they will affect them .
It 's another kneejerk response with unknown consequences .
Not a good way to play with our climate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, in localized environments like a city it can make a difference.
It won't make a lick of difference to the planet as a whole though.
The energy in the system will remain in the system.
If anything reflecting that light/heat energy back into the atmosphere will raise the air temperature of the upper atmosphere.
Maybe it will go from -30 to -29.8 or something.
Now, at that level of atmosphere a half degree difference may very well impact weather systems.
Problem is we have no idea how they will affect them.
It's another kneejerk response with unknown consequences.
Not a good way to play with our climate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28125293</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>DeadPanDan</author>
	<datestamp>1243532400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are sure that mindless partisans are incurable jackasses, then maybe you should concentrate on the opinions/actions of the more reasonable.
</p><p>Just a suggestion.
</p><p>Seriously, plenty of people have mentioned the issue of partisanship.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are sure that mindless partisans are incurable jackasses , then maybe you should concentrate on the opinions/actions of the more reasonable .
Just a suggestion .
Seriously , plenty of people have mentioned the issue of partisanship .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are sure that mindless partisans are incurable jackasses, then maybe you should concentrate on the opinions/actions of the more reasonable.
Just a suggestion.
Seriously, plenty of people have mentioned the issue of partisanship.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115391</id>
	<title>Re:Unfortunately...</title>
	<author>hankwang</author>
	<datestamp>1243419720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Unfortunately, producing the massive amounts of white paint needed to paint all these surfaces and maintain them produces about as much CO2 as was saved by starting this excellent project.</p></div></blockquote><p>You need about 100 g of paint to cover a square meter. Suppose that the paint costs 1 kg worth of fuel to manufacture. The amount of sunlight it reflects over 10 years in a sunny climate is on the order of 50 gigajoules, or about 1000 kg of fuel to burn. Even if only 10\% of the heat has to be cooled away by airconditioning, it is a good deal: invest 1 kg of fuel; save 100 kg in fuel for the airconditioning. (I assume that the inefficiency of a power plant compensates the efficiency of a heat pump)

</p><p>I'm not sure how making the pavement lighter will reduce CO2 emissions. It would reduce the greenhouse effect a bit due to less infared radiation being trapped - increasing the world's albedo by 1\% or so would have a quite significant impact on the climate, but it is difficult to translate than into an absolute amount of CO2 emission.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , producing the massive amounts of white paint needed to paint all these surfaces and maintain them produces about as much CO2 as was saved by starting this excellent project.You need about 100 g of paint to cover a square meter .
Suppose that the paint costs 1 kg worth of fuel to manufacture .
The amount of sunlight it reflects over 10 years in a sunny climate is on the order of 50 gigajoules , or about 1000 kg of fuel to burn .
Even if only 10 \ % of the heat has to be cooled away by airconditioning , it is a good deal : invest 1 kg of fuel ; save 100 kg in fuel for the airconditioning .
( I assume that the inefficiency of a power plant compensates the efficiency of a heat pump ) I 'm not sure how making the pavement lighter will reduce CO2 emissions .
It would reduce the greenhouse effect a bit due to less infared radiation being trapped - increasing the world 's albedo by 1 \ % or so would have a quite significant impact on the climate , but it is difficult to translate than into an absolute amount of CO2 emission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, producing the massive amounts of white paint needed to paint all these surfaces and maintain them produces about as much CO2 as was saved by starting this excellent project.You need about 100 g of paint to cover a square meter.
Suppose that the paint costs 1 kg worth of fuel to manufacture.
The amount of sunlight it reflects over 10 years in a sunny climate is on the order of 50 gigajoules, or about 1000 kg of fuel to burn.
Even if only 10\% of the heat has to be cooled away by airconditioning, it is a good deal: invest 1 kg of fuel; save 100 kg in fuel for the airconditioning.
(I assume that the inefficiency of a power plant compensates the efficiency of a heat pump)

I'm not sure how making the pavement lighter will reduce CO2 emissions.
It would reduce the greenhouse effect a bit due to less infared radiation being trapped - increasing the world's albedo by 1\% or so would have a quite significant impact on the climate, but it is difficult to translate than into an absolute amount of CO2 emission.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119091</id>
	<title>Um...not to be a spoilsport but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243444200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...resurfacing about two-third of the pavements and rooftops with reflective surfaces and planting three trees per house can cool down LA by an average of 2-3 (deg C)...."</p><p>Wouldn't that then imply that the "great global WARMING" that we're all terrified of, whose data is derived from temperature sensors that have in many cases been surrounded by urbanization, might be caused by localized temperature increases of, I dunno, maybe 2-3 deg C due to the URBANIZATION and not some somewhat-speculative CO2 mechanism that's not even known for sure whether it's a cause or effect?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...resurfacing about two-third of the pavements and rooftops with reflective surfaces and planting three trees per house can cool down LA by an average of 2-3 ( deg C ) .... " Would n't that then imply that the " great global WARMING " that we 're all terrified of , whose data is derived from temperature sensors that have in many cases been surrounded by urbanization , might be caused by localized temperature increases of , I dunno , maybe 2-3 deg C due to the URBANIZATION and not some somewhat-speculative CO2 mechanism that 's not even known for sure whether it 's a cause or effect ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...resurfacing about two-third of the pavements and rooftops with reflective surfaces and planting three trees per house can cool down LA by an average of 2-3 (deg C)...."Wouldn't that then imply that the "great global WARMING" that we're all terrified of, whose data is derived from temperature sensors that have in many cases been surrounded by urbanization, might be caused by localized temperature increases of, I dunno, maybe 2-3 deg C due to the URBANIZATION and not some somewhat-speculative CO2 mechanism that's not even known for sure whether it's a cause or effect?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116037</id>
	<title>Re:White asphalt?</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1243422000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are people treating this "white roads" thing like something new and exciting and dangerous.  Here in the northeast US, interstate highways are white concrete anyway.  I assume it is lower maintenance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are people treating this " white roads " thing like something new and exciting and dangerous .
Here in the northeast US , interstate highways are white concrete anyway .
I assume it is lower maintenance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are people treating this "white roads" thing like something new and exciting and dangerous.
Here in the northeast US, interstate highways are white concrete anyway.
I assume it is lower maintenance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116951</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Bartab</author>
	<datestamp>1243426860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I know this is going to sound like a self-serving political statement from a hardcore Democrat -- but well done, President Obama. You picked a scientist to run an agency.</i></p><p>Oh please. The EPA has been suggesting white roofs, etc, since at least 2007. Possibly earlier.</p><p>Also look at California Title 24, Part 6 which have been in place since 2005. <a href="http://www.energy.ca.gov/title24/2005standards/2006-09-11\_ADOPTED\_AMENDMENTS.PDF" title="ca.gov">http://www.energy.ca.gov/title24/2005standards/2006-09-11\_ADOPTED\_AMENDMENTS.PDF</a> [ca.gov]</p><p>Chu is repeating well known information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is going to sound like a self-serving political statement from a hardcore Democrat -- but well done , President Obama .
You picked a scientist to run an agency.Oh please .
The EPA has been suggesting white roofs , etc , since at least 2007 .
Possibly earlier.Also look at California Title 24 , Part 6 which have been in place since 2005. http : //www.energy.ca.gov/title24/2005standards/2006-09-11 \ _ADOPTED \ _AMENDMENTS.PDF [ ca.gov ] Chu is repeating well known information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is going to sound like a self-serving political statement from a hardcore Democrat -- but well done, President Obama.
You picked a scientist to run an agency.Oh please.
The EPA has been suggesting white roofs, etc, since at least 2007.
Possibly earlier.Also look at California Title 24, Part 6 which have been in place since 2005. http://www.energy.ca.gov/title24/2005standards/2006-09-11\_ADOPTED\_AMENDMENTS.PDF [ca.gov]Chu is repeating well known information.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119695</id>
	<title>Re:White paint or solar panels?</title>
	<author>Shisouka</author>
	<datestamp>1243450260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>    Or we could put solar panels on roofs and convert the sunlight, that would ordinarily be
converted to heat, into electricity which I am sure we could find a use for.</p></div><p>Does it hail where you live?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or we could put solar panels on roofs and convert the sunlight , that would ordinarily be converted to heat , into electricity which I am sure we could find a use for.Does it hail where you live ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>    Or we could put solar panels on roofs and convert the sunlight, that would ordinarily be
converted to heat, into electricity which I am sure we could find a use for.Does it hail where you live?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116919</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>bsDaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1243426560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As an example, computer simulations for Los Angeles, CA show that resurfacing about two-third of the pavements and rooftops with reflective surfaces and planting three trees per house can cool down LA by an average of <b>2-3K</b></p> </div><p>Just wondering, but is cooling the city b 5-700 degrees Celsuius really a good idea?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an example , computer simulations for Los Angeles , CA show that resurfacing about two-third of the pavements and rooftops with reflective surfaces and planting three trees per house can cool down LA by an average of 2-3K Just wondering , but is cooling the city b 5-700 degrees Celsuius really a good idea ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an example, computer simulations for Los Angeles, CA show that resurfacing about two-third of the pavements and rooftops with reflective surfaces and planting three trees per house can cool down LA by an average of 2-3K Just wondering, but is cooling the city b 5-700 degrees Celsuius really a good idea?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116443</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243424160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm socially liberal and despise the GOP, and my response to Bush proposing something like this would have been pure dumbfounded shock.</p><p>You just didn't get good sensical ideas like this out of his administration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm socially liberal and despise the GOP , and my response to Bush proposing something like this would have been pure dumbfounded shock.You just did n't get good sensical ideas like this out of his administration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm socially liberal and despise the GOP, and my response to Bush proposing something like this would have been pure dumbfounded shock.You just didn't get good sensical ideas like this out of his administration.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115093</id>
	<title>White asphalt?</title>
	<author>idontgno</author>
	<datestamp>1243418880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Now, you smile, but he's done a calculation, and if you take all the buildings and make their roofs white and if you <strong>make the pavement more of a concrete type of colour rather than a black type of colour,</strong> and you do this uniformly . . . it's the equivalent of reducing the carbon emissions due to all the cars on the road for 11 years.</p></div></blockquote><p>Now all we need is white tar...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , you smile , but he 's done a calculation , and if you take all the buildings and make their roofs white and if you make the pavement more of a concrete type of colour rather than a black type of colour , and you do this uniformly .
. .
it 's the equivalent of reducing the carbon emissions due to all the cars on the road for 11 years.Now all we need is white tar.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, you smile, but he's done a calculation, and if you take all the buildings and make their roofs white and if you make the pavement more of a concrete type of colour rather than a black type of colour, and you do this uniformly .
. .
it's the equivalent of reducing the carbon emissions due to all the cars on the road for 11 years.Now all we need is white tar...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117843</id>
	<title>Re:Mirrors</title>
	<author>jbengt</author>
	<datestamp>1243432740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, it's not uncommon to use an aluminum-colored paint on flat roofs in the hottest areas.  For work I've had to walk around on one in Phoenix in the summer on a day when it got up to 114F. I literally thought I was going to die, what with one hot sun heating me from above, and its' reflection heating me from below.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it 's not uncommon to use an aluminum-colored paint on flat roofs in the hottest areas .
For work I 've had to walk around on one in Phoenix in the summer on a day when it got up to 114F .
I literally thought I was going to die , what with one hot sun heating me from above , and its ' reflection heating me from below .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it's not uncommon to use an aluminum-colored paint on flat roofs in the hottest areas.
For work I've had to walk around on one in Phoenix in the summer on a day when it got up to 114F.
I literally thought I was going to die, what with one hot sun heating me from above, and its' reflection heating me from below.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28122537</id>
	<title>Re:I call BS on this.</title>
	<author>Helix666</author>
	<datestamp>1243520220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is this modded troll? As far as I can see, thinktech has a perfectly valid point. If painting everything white has minimal effect, is it really worth it to go mine all that titanium for this?</p><p>Of course, if there's a hidden message in this that I didn't read because I didn't read it backwards or something, please point it out to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this modded troll ?
As far as I can see , thinktech has a perfectly valid point .
If painting everything white has minimal effect , is it really worth it to go mine all that titanium for this ? Of course , if there 's a hidden message in this that I did n't read because I did n't read it backwards or something , please point it out to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is this modded troll?
As far as I can see, thinktech has a perfectly valid point.
If painting everything white has minimal effect, is it really worth it to go mine all that titanium for this?Of course, if there's a hidden message in this that I didn't read because I didn't read it backwards or something, please point it out to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117673</id>
	<title>Re:White asphalt?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243431600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or we could just use Concrete</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or we could just use Concrete</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or we could just use Concrete</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115539</id>
	<title>Re:why roofs in hot countries are whitewashed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243420200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's nice for the hot countries.   What about cold countries?  Maybe we like having black roofs and roads to melt the snow faster if there's a little opening?</p></div><p>Yes.  Or nearly so.  I just happened to be doing some research on roof treatments.  There are basically two types -- for flat roofs.  Angled roofs are a different story since they're angled for snow and rain shedding.  The two types of flat-roof coatings are white paint and aluminum paint.</p><p>Here's the link: <a href="http://eetd.lbl.gov/coolroof/coating.htm" title="lbl.gov">http://eetd.lbl.gov/coolroof/coating.htm</a> [lbl.gov]</p><p>White paint coatings use titanium dioxide as a pigment (very, very white) and reflect 70-80 percent of incident light.  That means they keep the roof cool in the summer.  They are, however, reasonably transparent to IR from below, so unfortunately do nothing to hold heat in during the winter.</p><p>Aluminum paint coatings use little flakes of alumnimum and reflect about 50-60 percent of incident light.  That means they also keep the roof cool in the summer.  They are, however, much less transparent to IR from below, so help keep in heat during the winter by reflecting it back down.</p><p>Then again, nothing stops you from painting your flat roof white or aluminum and unrolling black sheeting during the winter to help absorb heat from the sun.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's nice for the hot countries .
What about cold countries ?
Maybe we like having black roofs and roads to melt the snow faster if there 's a little opening ? Yes .
Or nearly so .
I just happened to be doing some research on roof treatments .
There are basically two types -- for flat roofs .
Angled roofs are a different story since they 're angled for snow and rain shedding .
The two types of flat-roof coatings are white paint and aluminum paint.Here 's the link : http : //eetd.lbl.gov/coolroof/coating.htm [ lbl.gov ] White paint coatings use titanium dioxide as a pigment ( very , very white ) and reflect 70-80 percent of incident light .
That means they keep the roof cool in the summer .
They are , however , reasonably transparent to IR from below , so unfortunately do nothing to hold heat in during the winter.Aluminum paint coatings use little flakes of alumnimum and reflect about 50-60 percent of incident light .
That means they also keep the roof cool in the summer .
They are , however , much less transparent to IR from below , so help keep in heat during the winter by reflecting it back down.Then again , nothing stops you from painting your flat roof white or aluminum and unrolling black sheeting during the winter to help absorb heat from the sun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's nice for the hot countries.
What about cold countries?
Maybe we like having black roofs and roads to melt the snow faster if there's a little opening?Yes.
Or nearly so.
I just happened to be doing some research on roof treatments.
There are basically two types -- for flat roofs.
Angled roofs are a different story since they're angled for snow and rain shedding.
The two types of flat-roof coatings are white paint and aluminum paint.Here's the link: http://eetd.lbl.gov/coolroof/coating.htm [lbl.gov]White paint coatings use titanium dioxide as a pigment (very, very white) and reflect 70-80 percent of incident light.
That means they keep the roof cool in the summer.
They are, however, reasonably transparent to IR from below, so unfortunately do nothing to hold heat in during the winter.Aluminum paint coatings use little flakes of alumnimum and reflect about 50-60 percent of incident light.
That means they also keep the roof cool in the summer.
They are, however, much less transparent to IR from below, so help keep in heat during the winter by reflecting it back down.Then again, nothing stops you from painting your flat roof white or aluminum and unrolling black sheeting during the winter to help absorb heat from the sun.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115037</id>
	<title>and make all</title>
	<author>markringen</author>
	<datestamp>1243418760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>and make all the birds blind.
we had a man in the neighborhood who had a white roof and it was filled with dead birds.

birds fly towards white objects for some reason as if it's the sky, and splatter to death.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and make all the birds blind .
we had a man in the neighborhood who had a white roof and it was filled with dead birds .
birds fly towards white objects for some reason as if it 's the sky , and splatter to death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and make all the birds blind.
we had a man in the neighborhood who had a white roof and it was filled with dead birds.
birds fly towards white objects for some reason as if it's the sky, and splatter to death.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115597</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243420440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one outside a doomsday cult says that "it is too late". If you read the studies, it's all the same stuff: if we keep doing this, that will happen. If we do something else, something different will happen. It's useful to understand the assumptions in the studies before bringing out the pitchforks. On a side note, what's with people jumping all over someone saying something that contradicts what someone else is saying? No one seriously thinks that all slashdotters think alike, but it seems that all climate scientists have to speak with one voice.</p><p>As for the study that advocates painting roofs white: I've got a better solution: put solar panels on all the roofs. Not only does the EM energy not get converted into heat (alright, not immediately, and not fully), but it also reduces our reliance on other energy sources. Yes, it's more expensive buying 1500 square feet of quality solar panels than it is to buy a bucket of white paint. But white paint won't power your Linux server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one outside a doomsday cult says that " it is too late " .
If you read the studies , it 's all the same stuff : if we keep doing this , that will happen .
If we do something else , something different will happen .
It 's useful to understand the assumptions in the studies before bringing out the pitchforks .
On a side note , what 's with people jumping all over someone saying something that contradicts what someone else is saying ?
No one seriously thinks that all slashdotters think alike , but it seems that all climate scientists have to speak with one voice.As for the study that advocates painting roofs white : I 've got a better solution : put solar panels on all the roofs .
Not only does the EM energy not get converted into heat ( alright , not immediately , and not fully ) , but it also reduces our reliance on other energy sources .
Yes , it 's more expensive buying 1500 square feet of quality solar panels than it is to buy a bucket of white paint .
But white paint wo n't power your Linux server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one outside a doomsday cult says that "it is too late".
If you read the studies, it's all the same stuff: if we keep doing this, that will happen.
If we do something else, something different will happen.
It's useful to understand the assumptions in the studies before bringing out the pitchforks.
On a side note, what's with people jumping all over someone saying something that contradicts what someone else is saying?
No one seriously thinks that all slashdotters think alike, but it seems that all climate scientists have to speak with one voice.As for the study that advocates painting roofs white: I've got a better solution: put solar panels on all the roofs.
Not only does the EM energy not get converted into heat (alright, not immediately, and not fully), but it also reduces our reliance on other energy sources.
Yes, it's more expensive buying 1500 square feet of quality solar panels than it is to buy a bucket of white paint.
But white paint won't power your Linux server.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116409</id>
	<title>I already did this ...</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1243423980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... by painting all the solar cells on my roof white.  But I'm gonna have to do this all over again because these solar cells aren't making any electricity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... by painting all the solar cells on my roof white .
But I 'm gon na have to do this all over again because these solar cells are n't making any electricity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... by painting all the solar cells on my roof white.
But I'm gonna have to do this all over again because these solar cells aren't making any electricity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119953</id>
	<title>no it doesn't, show your math</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243453500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no it doesn't, show your math</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no it does n't , show your math</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no it doesn't, show your math</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28124103</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243527540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I imagine the snark is because many, many people believe that "Global Warming" is only minutely effected by humans, and the measures being proposed to "combat" it would bankrupt most first world countries while having no actual effect on the non-pollutant C02. Wasn't this guy affiliated with the same people that claimed urban heat islands had no effect on heat estimates when people pointed out that most of the new measuring stations were in such heat islands? Now he claims reducing the impact of those heat islands would have such a large effect? Hmm....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I imagine the snark is because many , many people believe that " Global Warming " is only minutely effected by humans , and the measures being proposed to " combat " it would bankrupt most first world countries while having no actual effect on the non-pollutant C02 .
Was n't this guy affiliated with the same people that claimed urban heat islands had no effect on heat estimates when people pointed out that most of the new measuring stations were in such heat islands ?
Now he claims reducing the impact of those heat islands would have such a large effect ?
Hmm... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I imagine the snark is because many, many people believe that "Global Warming" is only minutely effected by humans, and the measures being proposed to "combat" it would bankrupt most first world countries while having no actual effect on the non-pollutant C02.
Wasn't this guy affiliated with the same people that claimed urban heat islands had no effect on heat estimates when people pointed out that most of the new measuring stations were in such heat islands?
Now he claims reducing the impact of those heat islands would have such a large effect?
Hmm....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28120991</id>
	<title>The world is going nuts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243508040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much does every roof of every human household account for in terms of the earth surface ?<br>Er.. 1\% ?<br>So, changing 1\% of the Earth's surface will definitely change the planet's albedo ? Right...</p><p>Man, this is a brilliant conclusion... NOT !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much does every roof of every human household account for in terms of the earth surface ? Er.. 1 \ % ? So , changing 1 \ % of the Earth 's surface will definitely change the planet 's albedo ?
Right...Man , this is a brilliant conclusion... NOT !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much does every roof of every human household account for in terms of the earth surface ?Er.. 1\% ?So, changing 1\% of the Earth's surface will definitely change the planet's albedo ?
Right...Man, this is a brilliant conclusion... NOT !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28123347</id>
	<title>Seriously?</title>
	<author>anonymousJUGGERNAUT</author>
	<datestamp>1243524000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you believe that, or are you just being a troll?

If you believe that, and you're open to being persuaded by facts, take a look at the graph at <a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif" title="nasa.gov" rel="nofollow">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif</a> [nasa.gov] and tell me if you see anything in the period from 1998-present that looks inconsistent with the trend over the past 40 years or so.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you believe that , or are you just being a troll ?
If you believe that , and you 're open to being persuaded by facts , take a look at the graph at http : //data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif [ nasa.gov ] and tell me if you see anything in the period from 1998-present that looks inconsistent with the trend over the past 40 years or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you believe that, or are you just being a troll?
If you believe that, and you're open to being persuaded by facts, take a look at the graph at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif [nasa.gov] and tell me if you see anything in the period from 1998-present that looks inconsistent with the trend over the past 40 years or so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115047</id>
	<title>Time out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243418760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wasn't there a study a year or two ago, which was loudly trumpeted by NPR, CNN, MSNBC, etc, that concluded that manmade global warming (or "climate change") was already a sure thing, and it was way past too late for us to do anything about it now.</p><p>So, uh...  What happened to that?  Was that fake, or is this guy ignorant?  Or do climate-change types believe stuff whenever it's convenient for them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't there a study a year or two ago , which was loudly trumpeted by NPR , CNN , MSNBC , etc , that concluded that manmade global warming ( or " climate change " ) was already a sure thing , and it was way past too late for us to do anything about it now.So , uh... What happened to that ?
Was that fake , or is this guy ignorant ?
Or do climate-change types believe stuff whenever it 's convenient for them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't there a study a year or two ago, which was loudly trumpeted by NPR, CNN, MSNBC, etc, that concluded that manmade global warming (or "climate change") was already a sure thing, and it was way past too late for us to do anything about it now.So, uh...  What happened to that?
Was that fake, or is this guy ignorant?
Or do climate-change types believe stuff whenever it's convenient for them?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28122771</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243521300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If republican presidents proposed this sort of thing then all us democrats would be republicans. But they don't. They are republicans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If republican presidents proposed this sort of thing then all us democrats would be republicans .
But they do n't .
They are republicans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If republican presidents proposed this sort of thing then all us democrats would be republicans.
But they don't.
They are republicans.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28118131</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>antirelic</author>
	<datestamp>1243435140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a hard core conservative, but I have to say that I like the argument presented. It seems practical enough if presented in the form of incentives instead of regulation, has the possibility of reducing the load on the national energy grid (as well as local and regional grids) and allows the people to spend less money cooling their homes, allowing them to save the money or spend it elsewhere.</p><p>My main question is, why is something so simple sounding not already in practice? If painting my roof a lighter color will cut my cooling costs, I'll be buying paint tomorrow (provided the paint costs less than the energy savings).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a hard core conservative , but I have to say that I like the argument presented .
It seems practical enough if presented in the form of incentives instead of regulation , has the possibility of reducing the load on the national energy grid ( as well as local and regional grids ) and allows the people to spend less money cooling their homes , allowing them to save the money or spend it elsewhere.My main question is , why is something so simple sounding not already in practice ?
If painting my roof a lighter color will cut my cooling costs , I 'll be buying paint tomorrow ( provided the paint costs less than the energy savings ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a hard core conservative, but I have to say that I like the argument presented.
It seems practical enough if presented in the form of incentives instead of regulation, has the possibility of reducing the load on the national energy grid (as well as local and regional grids) and allows the people to spend less money cooling their homes, allowing them to save the money or spend it elsewhere.My main question is, why is something so simple sounding not already in practice?
If painting my roof a lighter color will cut my cooling costs, I'll be buying paint tomorrow (provided the paint costs less than the energy savings).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115191</id>
	<title>White crop fields?</title>
	<author>brasselv</author>
	<datestamp>1243419180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't we genetically engineer crop fields, to make the them white?</p><p>This is not entirely a joke, there's a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisyworld" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">similar idea</a> [wikipedia.org] in the original <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia\_hypothesis" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Gaia Hypothesis</a> [wikipedia.org], even if only as a thought experiment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't we genetically engineer crop fields , to make the them white ? This is not entirely a joke , there 's a similar idea [ wikipedia.org ] in the original Gaia Hypothesis [ wikipedia.org ] , even if only as a thought experiment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't we genetically engineer crop fields, to make the them white?This is not entirely a joke, there's a similar idea [wikipedia.org] in the original Gaia Hypothesis [wikipedia.org], even if only as a thought experiment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116397</id>
	<title>Re:Let's pave the road with solar cells.</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1243423920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's two very different problems you mixed together. Solar panels still absorb a lot of heat. You'd be better off painting everything white and using nuclear power plants.</p><p>By the way, couldn't that be an anti-solar energy argument, that they require vast dark heat-absorbent surfaces to be in the sun and that therefore they absorb a lot of heat from the Sun instead of bouncing it back into space as lighter surfaces would?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's two very different problems you mixed together .
Solar panels still absorb a lot of heat .
You 'd be better off painting everything white and using nuclear power plants.By the way , could n't that be an anti-solar energy argument , that they require vast dark heat-absorbent surfaces to be in the sun and that therefore they absorb a lot of heat from the Sun instead of bouncing it back into space as lighter surfaces would ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's two very different problems you mixed together.
Solar panels still absorb a lot of heat.
You'd be better off painting everything white and using nuclear power plants.By the way, couldn't that be an anti-solar energy argument, that they require vast dark heat-absorbent surfaces to be in the sun and that therefore they absorb a lot of heat from the Sun instead of bouncing it back into space as lighter surfaces would?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119269</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243446240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has got to be one of the most stupid ideas floated by a Nobel winning scientist in recent memory.</p><p>Cooling a house or cooling a city with this white roof plan will have NO cooling effect on atmospheric temperature. If anything, the effect will be increasing atmospheric temp. The idea that the heat island phenomenon affects atmospheric temp is ludicrous and not supported by the data or common sense.</p><p>Maybe Mr. Chu will next suggest covering the BIG dark spots on Earth--our oceans--with white coverings, because of deep water's low albedo. Because we all know that high albedo=cooling, right? That's how the white sands of Death Valley and the Sahara keep those areas so pleasantly cool.</p><p>Go back to cooling atoms with lasers Mr. Chu, you're not a big picture kind of guy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has got to be one of the most stupid ideas floated by a Nobel winning scientist in recent memory.Cooling a house or cooling a city with this white roof plan will have NO cooling effect on atmospheric temperature .
If anything , the effect will be increasing atmospheric temp .
The idea that the heat island phenomenon affects atmospheric temp is ludicrous and not supported by the data or common sense.Maybe Mr. Chu will next suggest covering the BIG dark spots on Earth--our oceans--with white coverings , because of deep water 's low albedo .
Because we all know that high albedo = cooling , right ?
That 's how the white sands of Death Valley and the Sahara keep those areas so pleasantly cool.Go back to cooling atoms with lasers Mr. Chu , you 're not a big picture kind of guy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has got to be one of the most stupid ideas floated by a Nobel winning scientist in recent memory.Cooling a house or cooling a city with this white roof plan will have NO cooling effect on atmospheric temperature.
If anything, the effect will be increasing atmospheric temp.
The idea that the heat island phenomenon affects atmospheric temp is ludicrous and not supported by the data or common sense.Maybe Mr. Chu will next suggest covering the BIG dark spots on Earth--our oceans--with white coverings, because of deep water's low albedo.
Because we all know that high albedo=cooling, right?
That's how the white sands of Death Valley and the Sahara keep those areas so pleasantly cool.Go back to cooling atoms with lasers Mr. Chu, you're not a big picture kind of guy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116867</id>
	<title>climate change?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243426320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And which direction is this "climate change" thing heading again? In the sixties they scared us with global warming of catastrophic consequences. In the seventies they scared us with catastrophic global cooling. Then they again started with the warming. At which point of the brain-mincing propaganda cycle are we currently? I'm sorry, I'm not following the news recently, and this new "climate change" terminology doesn't help, either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And which direction is this " climate change " thing heading again ?
In the sixties they scared us with global warming of catastrophic consequences .
In the seventies they scared us with catastrophic global cooling .
Then they again started with the warming .
At which point of the brain-mincing propaganda cycle are we currently ?
I 'm sorry , I 'm not following the news recently , and this new " climate change " terminology does n't help , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And which direction is this "climate change" thing heading again?
In the sixties they scared us with global warming of catastrophic consequences.
In the seventies they scared us with catastrophic global cooling.
Then they again started with the warming.
At which point of the brain-mincing propaganda cycle are we currently?
I'm sorry, I'm not following the news recently, and this new "climate change" terminology doesn't help, either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119827</id>
	<title>They're never gonna give up with this</title>
	<author>phtpht</author>
	<datestamp>1243451580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First it was the space mirror/shade, then it was some reflective shit in the oceans,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... finally it will be to wearing silvery hats!</htmltext>
<tokenext>First it was the space mirror/shade , then it was some reflective shit in the oceans , ... finally it will be to wearing silvery hats !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First it was the space mirror/shade, then it was some reflective shit in the oceans, ... finally it will be to wearing silvery hats!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115907</id>
	<title>Why not plant grass instead?</title>
	<author>phallstrom</author>
	<datestamp>1243421580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't it be better to simply plant grass instead?  Ignoring the problem of having to reinforce roofs that is...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it be better to simply plant grass instead ?
Ignoring the problem of having to reinforce roofs that is.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it be better to simply plant grass instead?
Ignoring the problem of having to reinforce roofs that is...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115295</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>jfoucar</author>
	<datestamp>1243419480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The degree to which the climate will change is not certain. Maybe it is too late to avoid significant climate change, but it probably isn't to late to take actions to mitigate the severity of the change.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The degree to which the climate will change is not certain .
Maybe it is too late to avoid significant climate change , but it probably is n't to late to take actions to mitigate the severity of the change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The degree to which the climate will change is not certain.
Maybe it is too late to avoid significant climate change, but it probably isn't to late to take actions to mitigate the severity of the change.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116393</id>
	<title>Re:White asphalt?</title>
	<author>Nimey</author>
	<datestamp>1243423860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, prescription sunglasses for those of us with off-spec eyes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , prescription sunglasses for those of us with off-spec eyes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, prescription sunglasses for those of us with off-spec eyes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115611</id>
	<title>Re:White asphalt?</title>
	<author>cdub1900</author>
	<datestamp>1243420500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sort of. It's called "whitetopping." You add about a  layer of concrete on top of the asphalt during a maintenance or repair project. Advances in the 1990s improved the ultra-thin whitetopping (UTW) where the layer isn't required to be so thick.<br> <br>

<a href="http://www.whitetopping.com/faq.asp" title="whitetopping.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitetopping.com/faq.asp</a> [whitetopping.com] <br> <br>

Alternatively, you can put additives such as limestone into the asphalt mix to help lighten the color.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sort of .
It 's called " whitetopping .
" You add about a layer of concrete on top of the asphalt during a maintenance or repair project .
Advances in the 1990s improved the ultra-thin whitetopping ( UTW ) where the layer is n't required to be so thick .
http : //www.whitetopping.com/faq.asp [ whitetopping.com ] Alternatively , you can put additives such as limestone into the asphalt mix to help lighten the color .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sort of.
It's called "whitetopping.
" You add about a  layer of concrete on top of the asphalt during a maintenance or repair project.
Advances in the 1990s improved the ultra-thin whitetopping (UTW) where the layer isn't required to be so thick.
http://www.whitetopping.com/faq.asp [whitetopping.com]  

Alternatively, you can put additives such as limestone into the asphalt mix to help lighten the color.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116061</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>choconutdancer</author>
	<datestamp>1243422060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's a proven fact that man has caused a warming of the planet</p></div><p> No, it isn't.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>and it's generally accepted that this warming will continue until 2100</p></div><p> The warming stopped in 1998, leveled off for several years, and for the last two to three years the temperature has gone DOWN.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a proven fact that man has caused a warming of the planet No , it is n't.and it 's generally accepted that this warming will continue until 2100 The warming stopped in 1998 , leveled off for several years , and for the last two to three years the temperature has gone DOWN .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a proven fact that man has caused a warming of the planet No, it isn't.and it's generally accepted that this warming will continue until 2100 The warming stopped in 1998, leveled off for several years, and for the last two to three years the temperature has gone DOWN.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115725</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1243420860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I know this is going to sound like a self-serving political statement from a hardcore Democrat -- but well done, President Obama.</i></p><p>My cynicism knows no bounds, which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it.  I'm betting something to the tune of, "Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years!"</p><p>I think this is a good idea, and if Chu can make it happen (again, colour me cynical) it'll be a good thing, particularly because of the reduced energy demand aspect, which will help with the whole peak oil deal.</p><p>But I can't help thinking about how mindless partisans (not necessarily you) would have reacted if the Offence rather than the Defence had suggested this (both parties are ultimately on the same team, of course, representing the plutocrats united against the people.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is going to sound like a self-serving political statement from a hardcore Democrat -- but well done , President Obama.My cynicism knows no bounds , which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it .
I 'm betting something to the tune of , " Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years !
" I think this is a good idea , and if Chu can make it happen ( again , colour me cynical ) it 'll be a good thing , particularly because of the reduced energy demand aspect , which will help with the whole peak oil deal.But I ca n't help thinking about how mindless partisans ( not necessarily you ) would have reacted if the Offence rather than the Defence had suggested this ( both parties are ultimately on the same team , of course , representing the plutocrats united against the people .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is going to sound like a self-serving political statement from a hardcore Democrat -- but well done, President Obama.My cynicism knows no bounds, which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it.
I'm betting something to the tune of, "Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years!
"I think this is a good idea, and if Chu can make it happen (again, colour me cynical) it'll be a good thing, particularly because of the reduced energy demand aspect, which will help with the whole peak oil deal.But I can't help thinking about how mindless partisans (not necessarily you) would have reacted if the Offence rather than the Defence had suggested this (both parties are ultimately on the same team, of course, representing the plutocrats united against the people.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28121005</id>
	<title>Re:White paint or solar panels?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243508160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Couple of tins of white paint  $5000</p><p>Ok, again I'm guessing on the price of solar panels, but I'm sure you see my point.</p><p>Sure if you've got enough cash to cover your roof in solar panels then go for it! But while we're talking about doing this on a city wide scale, and since this is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. I'll assume the idea of using tax payers money will be likened to communism; why don't we move with a cheap but effective idea first?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Couple of tins of white paint $ 5000Ok , again I 'm guessing on the price of solar panels , but I 'm sure you see my point.Sure if you 've got enough cash to cover your roof in solar panels then go for it !
But while we 're talking about doing this on a city wide scale , and since this is / .
I 'll assume the idea of using tax payers money will be likened to communism ; why do n't we move with a cheap but effective idea first ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couple of tins of white paint  $5000Ok, again I'm guessing on the price of solar panels, but I'm sure you see my point.Sure if you've got enough cash to cover your roof in solar panels then go for it!
But while we're talking about doing this on a city wide scale, and since this is /.
I'll assume the idea of using tax payers money will be likened to communism; why don't we move with a cheap but effective idea first?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115711</id>
	<title>According to Hush "dailylunchwithhillary" Dimbog</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243420800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...as well as every Demorat and Republitard, a wayning-suffocated jetfuel fire brought down the World Trade "Freedom" Towers and that smell of chordite in the air was from the unrelated co-incidental demolition of the unrelated Building 7 owned by Silverstein.</p><p>Who actually learns anything when listening to main-stream media "Rush Limbaugh" and the related trash from KFIAM640 to KLMNOP Twizzleteats?  Alex Jones PRISONPLANET, American Voice Radio, BurlingtonNews.net, CrusadeRadio.net, and WWFAR.COM is where you get the news, not "Real News."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...as well as every Demorat and Republitard , a wayning-suffocated jetfuel fire brought down the World Trade " Freedom " Towers and that smell of chordite in the air was from the unrelated co-incidental demolition of the unrelated Building 7 owned by Silverstein.Who actually learns anything when listening to main-stream media " Rush Limbaugh " and the related trash from KFIAM640 to KLMNOP Twizzleteats ?
Alex Jones PRISONPLANET , American Voice Radio , BurlingtonNews.net , CrusadeRadio.net , and WWFAR.COM is where you get the news , not " Real News .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...as well as every Demorat and Republitard, a wayning-suffocated jetfuel fire brought down the World Trade "Freedom" Towers and that smell of chordite in the air was from the unrelated co-incidental demolition of the unrelated Building 7 owned by Silverstein.Who actually learns anything when listening to main-stream media "Rush Limbaugh" and the related trash from KFIAM640 to KLMNOP Twizzleteats?
Alex Jones PRISONPLANET, American Voice Radio, BurlingtonNews.net, CrusadeRadio.net, and WWFAR.COM is where you get the news, not "Real News.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116109</id>
	<title>Re:Other Pollution</title>
	<author>maharb</author>
	<datestamp>1243422240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bet mowing that will be a bitch<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet mowing that will be a bitch : ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet mowing that will be a bitch :).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28161465</id>
	<title>Say it with me:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243767000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Solar Panels"<br>Why the heck would we choose to only deflect all that free natural energy when we can harness what we need and get the same result?<br>Either that or use the Green Roof System. Gees, why do people fixate on solving a problem with a solution which creates wasteful results?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Solar Panels " Why the heck would we choose to only deflect all that free natural energy when we can harness what we need and get the same result ? Either that or use the Green Roof System .
Gees , why do people fixate on solving a problem with a solution which creates wasteful results ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Solar Panels"Why the heck would we choose to only deflect all that free natural energy when we can harness what we need and get the same result?Either that or use the Green Roof System.
Gees, why do people fixate on solving a problem with a solution which creates wasteful results?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115079</id>
	<title>Not Likely to stay white</title>
	<author>supercell</author>
	<datestamp>1243418880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It some cases this may make sense, but on large scale I see problems with it.

I roof painted white, or with white shingles would, fairly quickly lose its high reflection [Albedo] as dirt/grim turns it from white to brown/black in just a couple of years. In addition, the solar insolation in areas north 40 degrees north, would have a much less of an affect.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It some cases this may make sense , but on large scale I see problems with it .
I roof painted white , or with white shingles would , fairly quickly lose its high reflection [ Albedo ] as dirt/grim turns it from white to brown/black in just a couple of years .
In addition , the solar insolation in areas north 40 degrees north , would have a much less of an affect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It some cases this may make sense, but on large scale I see problems with it.
I roof painted white, or with white shingles would, fairly quickly lose its high reflection [Albedo] as dirt/grim turns it from white to brown/black in just a couple of years.
In addition, the solar insolation in areas north 40 degrees north, would have a much less of an affect.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119587</id>
	<title>Small world</title>
	<author>dradler</author>
	<datestamp>1243449300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it.
<p>
-- Steven Wright</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a small world , but I would n't want to paint it .
-- Steven Wright</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it.
-- Steven Wright</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116637</id>
	<title>why not take a different tack?</title>
	<author>mcrbids</author>
	<datestamp>1243425000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a private pilot and routinely see cities from the air. Numbers like this really don't surprise me much - it is simply amazing how much of a city consists of roads, parking lots, and rooftops. Especially parking lots....</p><p>But painting roads and parking lots white seems impractical. But what if we covered them with solar panels? Then we'd all have cooler cars to get into at the mall, a 15\% heat reduction (converted to electricity) and most importantly, a clear profit motive to do it in the first place.</p><p>Not only would this generate cash for mall owners while keeping their patrons' cars cool, it would also help economies of scale push PV prices down further! It's a win-win-win situation for all involved, and the only thing we need to do is change a law for the CA PUC to allow micro-electric plants to feed the grid!</p><p>Why we aren't doing this already just baffles me....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a private pilot and routinely see cities from the air .
Numbers like this really do n't surprise me much - it is simply amazing how much of a city consists of roads , parking lots , and rooftops .
Especially parking lots....But painting roads and parking lots white seems impractical .
But what if we covered them with solar panels ?
Then we 'd all have cooler cars to get into at the mall , a 15 \ % heat reduction ( converted to electricity ) and most importantly , a clear profit motive to do it in the first place.Not only would this generate cash for mall owners while keeping their patrons ' cars cool , it would also help economies of scale push PV prices down further !
It 's a win-win-win situation for all involved , and the only thing we need to do is change a law for the CA PUC to allow micro-electric plants to feed the grid ! Why we are n't doing this already just baffles me... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a private pilot and routinely see cities from the air.
Numbers like this really don't surprise me much - it is simply amazing how much of a city consists of roads, parking lots, and rooftops.
Especially parking lots....But painting roads and parking lots white seems impractical.
But what if we covered them with solar panels?
Then we'd all have cooler cars to get into at the mall, a 15\% heat reduction (converted to electricity) and most importantly, a clear profit motive to do it in the first place.Not only would this generate cash for mall owners while keeping their patrons' cars cool, it would also help economies of scale push PV prices down further!
It's a win-win-win situation for all involved, and the only thing we need to do is change a law for the CA PUC to allow micro-electric plants to feed the grid!Why we aren't doing this already just baffles me....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116623</id>
	<title>Physics fine but economics?</title>
	<author>owlnation</author>
	<datestamp>1243424940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I appreciate that this guy is a really smart physicist, thus I'm sure he's got the math right on the effect of changing the albedo of structures.<br> <br>

However, I seriously question the environmental economics of this. It seems that this needs a very well-scoped Cost Benefit Analysis.<br> <br>

We are talking about replacing or altering a vast surface area of global structures. This alone has a massive environmental impact - even just in the trucks needed to transport materials alone. Not to mention the retooling of factories, mining or manufacturing new materials and disposing of waste products, as well as disposing of the old surfaces and excess stock of the same. Not to mention also that shifting to whiter concrete roads, for example, will significantly increase noise pollution, and may result in the need for more salt/grit use in Winter (a serious environmental impact), as well as a higher risk of accidents from glare, reduced ability to see ice patches, etc.<br> <br>

Obviously this would take generations to complete, even in the US with a huge amount of money and resources at its disposal, even if there was a massive construction program that started right now. <br> <br>

It would take far, far longer in countries like India or China. It may never happen in Africa, or take many centuries. Surely the time taken for the deferred benefit of making these changes to kick in, would barely offset the significant short-run environmental impact of making those changes long-run, if at all. The carbon issues are far greater in developing countries, they cannot afford to make these changes, some developing countries are vast in geographic size and population, with a large number of structures. They carbon impact will increase, while not being able to afford to offset it by utilizing this method. For it to work fully and effectively the world world's structures need to be painted white. There really aren't that many in the US compared with other nations.<br> <br>

The environmental costs listed above are probably only the tip of the iceberg, just off the top of my head without thinking too hard. With a fully-scoped Cost Benefit Analysis there will be many, many additional costs to those listed here. He's really only examined the benefit. I do not believe the benefit exceeds the cost in this case.<br> <br>

Surely there is a quicker, better way to achieve the same benefit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I appreciate that this guy is a really smart physicist , thus I 'm sure he 's got the math right on the effect of changing the albedo of structures .
However , I seriously question the environmental economics of this .
It seems that this needs a very well-scoped Cost Benefit Analysis .
We are talking about replacing or altering a vast surface area of global structures .
This alone has a massive environmental impact - even just in the trucks needed to transport materials alone .
Not to mention the retooling of factories , mining or manufacturing new materials and disposing of waste products , as well as disposing of the old surfaces and excess stock of the same .
Not to mention also that shifting to whiter concrete roads , for example , will significantly increase noise pollution , and may result in the need for more salt/grit use in Winter ( a serious environmental impact ) , as well as a higher risk of accidents from glare , reduced ability to see ice patches , etc .
Obviously this would take generations to complete , even in the US with a huge amount of money and resources at its disposal , even if there was a massive construction program that started right now .
It would take far , far longer in countries like India or China .
It may never happen in Africa , or take many centuries .
Surely the time taken for the deferred benefit of making these changes to kick in , would barely offset the significant short-run environmental impact of making those changes long-run , if at all .
The carbon issues are far greater in developing countries , they can not afford to make these changes , some developing countries are vast in geographic size and population , with a large number of structures .
They carbon impact will increase , while not being able to afford to offset it by utilizing this method .
For it to work fully and effectively the world world 's structures need to be painted white .
There really are n't that many in the US compared with other nations .
The environmental costs listed above are probably only the tip of the iceberg , just off the top of my head without thinking too hard .
With a fully-scoped Cost Benefit Analysis there will be many , many additional costs to those listed here .
He 's really only examined the benefit .
I do not believe the benefit exceeds the cost in this case .
Surely there is a quicker , better way to achieve the same benefit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I appreciate that this guy is a really smart physicist, thus I'm sure he's got the math right on the effect of changing the albedo of structures.
However, I seriously question the environmental economics of this.
It seems that this needs a very well-scoped Cost Benefit Analysis.
We are talking about replacing or altering a vast surface area of global structures.
This alone has a massive environmental impact - even just in the trucks needed to transport materials alone.
Not to mention the retooling of factories, mining or manufacturing new materials and disposing of waste products, as well as disposing of the old surfaces and excess stock of the same.
Not to mention also that shifting to whiter concrete roads, for example, will significantly increase noise pollution, and may result in the need for more salt/grit use in Winter (a serious environmental impact), as well as a higher risk of accidents from glare, reduced ability to see ice patches, etc.
Obviously this would take generations to complete, even in the US with a huge amount of money and resources at its disposal, even if there was a massive construction program that started right now.
It would take far, far longer in countries like India or China.
It may never happen in Africa, or take many centuries.
Surely the time taken for the deferred benefit of making these changes to kick in, would barely offset the significant short-run environmental impact of making those changes long-run, if at all.
The carbon issues are far greater in developing countries, they cannot afford to make these changes, some developing countries are vast in geographic size and population, with a large number of structures.
They carbon impact will increase, while not being able to afford to offset it by utilizing this method.
For it to work fully and effectively the world world's structures need to be painted white.
There really aren't that many in the US compared with other nations.
The environmental costs listed above are probably only the tip of the iceberg, just off the top of my head without thinking too hard.
With a fully-scoped Cost Benefit Analysis there will be many, many additional costs to those listed here.
He's really only examined the benefit.
I do not believe the benefit exceeds the cost in this case.
Surely there is a quicker, better way to achieve the same benefit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119187</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>darkmeridian</author>
	<datestamp>1243445340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're projecting yourself onto others. I would have been freaking ecstatic if the Republicans believed in climate change enough to actually do something about it. But you have to understand that McCain/Palin did not believe in climate change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're projecting yourself onto others .
I would have been freaking ecstatic if the Republicans believed in climate change enough to actually do something about it .
But you have to understand that McCain/Palin did not believe in climate change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're projecting yourself onto others.
I would have been freaking ecstatic if the Republicans believed in climate change enough to actually do something about it.
But you have to understand that McCain/Palin did not believe in climate change.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117165</id>
	<title>Re:why roofs in hot countries are whitewashed</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1243428240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oddly enough terracotta and a brown tarnished copper colour are fairly close to the ideal colour for absorbing sunlight (which is not white light).  It looks like roofers in cold climates picked up a few things over the centuries.  The stupid thing is when that gets transferred to the subtropics and you get a galvanised steel roof which could reflect a fair bit of light painted a dark reddish brown to look like a european roof.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oddly enough terracotta and a brown tarnished copper colour are fairly close to the ideal colour for absorbing sunlight ( which is not white light ) .
It looks like roofers in cold climates picked up a few things over the centuries .
The stupid thing is when that gets transferred to the subtropics and you get a galvanised steel roof which could reflect a fair bit of light painted a dark reddish brown to look like a european roof .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oddly enough terracotta and a brown tarnished copper colour are fairly close to the ideal colour for absorbing sunlight (which is not white light).
It looks like roofers in cold climates picked up a few things over the centuries.
The stupid thing is when that gets transferred to the subtropics and you get a galvanised steel roof which could reflect a fair bit of light painted a dark reddish brown to look like a european roof.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117721</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>wytcld</author>
	<datestamp>1243431960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"colo<b>u</b>r me cynical" - no friend, but that makes us color you unAmerican. Seriously though, Bush's people wouldn't even allow themselves to nod in the direction of any action that would recognize climate change as a threat.</p><p>Also, on the "plutocrats united" thing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... know Plutocrats much? I've known a few. They're far from united. They can be played off against each other. Most of them are no smarter than the guys who've run Wall Street into the ditch. And they're just as divided in their strategies as any group of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. geeks taking sides on coding methods. So do both parties enjoy plutocratic embraces? Sure. But it's largely different groups of plutocrats, and quite often their bread is buttered on different sides.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" colour me cynical " - no friend , but that makes us color you unAmerican .
Seriously though , Bush 's people would n't even allow themselves to nod in the direction of any action that would recognize climate change as a threat.Also , on the " plutocrats united " thing ... know Plutocrats much ?
I 've known a few .
They 're far from united .
They can be played off against each other .
Most of them are no smarter than the guys who 've run Wall Street into the ditch .
And they 're just as divided in their strategies as any group of / .
geeks taking sides on coding methods .
So do both parties enjoy plutocratic embraces ?
Sure. But it 's largely different groups of plutocrats , and quite often their bread is buttered on different sides .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"colour me cynical" - no friend, but that makes us color you unAmerican.
Seriously though, Bush's people wouldn't even allow themselves to nod in the direction of any action that would recognize climate change as a threat.Also, on the "plutocrats united" thing ... know Plutocrats much?
I've known a few.
They're far from united.
They can be played off against each other.
Most of them are no smarter than the guys who've run Wall Street into the ditch.
And they're just as divided in their strategies as any group of /.
geeks taking sides on coding methods.
So do both parties enjoy plutocratic embraces?
Sure. But it's largely different groups of plutocrats, and quite often their bread is buttered on different sides.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115085</id>
	<title>saves on air conditioning too</title>
	<author>h00manist</author>
	<datestamp>1243418880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>it's short term medicine, but should help until the world's car fleets find some alternatives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's short term medicine , but should help until the world 's car fleets find some alternatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's short term medicine, but should help until the world's car fleets find some alternatives.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115925</id>
	<title>Re:White paint or solar panels?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243421580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Paint is cheap, solar panels are expensive and not economically viable in all situations?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Paint is cheap , solar panels are expensive and not economically viable in all situations ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paint is cheap, solar panels are expensive and not economically viable in all situations?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115745</id>
	<title>RTFS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243420920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obviously someone doesn't know the planet hasn't been warming for a decade.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously someone does n't know the planet has n't been warming for a decade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously someone doesn't know the planet hasn't been warming for a decade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116277</id>
	<title>Plants are already white!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243423140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://dwarmstr.blogspot.com/2005/06/plants-in-near-infrared.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://dwarmstr.blogspot.com/2005/06/plants-in-near-infrared.html</a> [blogspot.com]<br>As the pictures in the above link show, plants are white (ie. highly reflective) to near infrared light.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //dwarmstr.blogspot.com/2005/06/plants-in-near-infrared.html [ blogspot.com ] As the pictures in the above link show , plants are white ( ie .
highly reflective ) to near infrared light .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://dwarmstr.blogspot.com/2005/06/plants-in-near-infrared.html [blogspot.com]As the pictures in the above link show, plants are white (ie.
highly reflective) to near infrared light.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115153</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243419120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, that was accurate - the climate is changing all the time, and humans have caused various changes to accelerate in ways that are detrimental to the survival of our species (growth of deserts, loss of farmland, etc.)</p><p>What this is proposing, is a way to mitigate some of the detrimental changes.</p><p>That aside, why the snark? I understand that people of course have personal investment in their enviroment (it's where we live, after all), but for someone proposing a simple change like this that could have multiple beneficial results for our species, I'm not sure why you feel so threatened.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , that was accurate - the climate is changing all the time , and humans have caused various changes to accelerate in ways that are detrimental to the survival of our species ( growth of deserts , loss of farmland , etc .
) What this is proposing , is a way to mitigate some of the detrimental changes.That aside , why the snark ?
I understand that people of course have personal investment in their enviroment ( it 's where we live , after all ) , but for someone proposing a simple change like this that could have multiple beneficial results for our species , I 'm not sure why you feel so threatened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, that was accurate - the climate is changing all the time, and humans have caused various changes to accelerate in ways that are detrimental to the survival of our species (growth of deserts, loss of farmland, etc.
)What this is proposing, is a way to mitigate some of the detrimental changes.That aside, why the snark?
I understand that people of course have personal investment in their enviroment (it's where we live, after all), but for someone proposing a simple change like this that could have multiple beneficial results for our species, I'm not sure why you feel so threatened.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117731</id>
	<title>here we go again</title>
	<author>space\_hippy</author>
	<datestamp>1243432020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/25/california-to-reduce-carbon-emissions-by-banning-black-cars/" title="autoblog.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/25/california-to-reduce-carbon-emissions-by-banning-black-cars/</a> [autoblog.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.autoblog.com/2009/03/25/california-to-reduce-carbon-emissions-by-banning-black-cars/ [ autoblog.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/25/california-to-reduce-carbon-emissions-by-banning-black-cars/ [autoblog.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28120471</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>JasterBobaMereel</author>
	<datestamp>1243502880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gravity is just a theory but you still fall, and space probes still get to their destination using calculations based on the theory</p><p>The USA currently uses significantly more energy per head of population than any other country, this is contributing to pollution, which everyone agrees would be good to reduce, and importing a large amount of energy costs a lot, which again everyone agrees would be a good idea to reduce....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gravity is just a theory but you still fall , and space probes still get to their destination using calculations based on the theoryThe USA currently uses significantly more energy per head of population than any other country , this is contributing to pollution , which everyone agrees would be good to reduce , and importing a large amount of energy costs a lot , which again everyone agrees would be a good idea to reduce... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gravity is just a theory but you still fall, and space probes still get to their destination using calculations based on the theoryThe USA currently uses significantly more energy per head of population than any other country, this is contributing to pollution, which everyone agrees would be good to reduce, and importing a large amount of energy costs a lot, which again everyone agrees would be a good idea to reduce....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116355</id>
	<title>Re:White paint or solar panels?</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1243423620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That wouldn't directly help, it'd still absorb a lot of heat, so free electricity aside, a white rooftop would still be better for cooling down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That would n't directly help , it 'd still absorb a lot of heat , so free electricity aside , a white rooftop would still be better for cooling down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That wouldn't directly help, it'd still absorb a lot of heat, so free electricity aside, a white rooftop would still be better for cooling down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115769</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243421040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, how about putting grass on the tops of buildings instead? Maybe wheatgrass for the health concious. That way we don't have to worry about hard white light blinding people since it's an easier shade of green. Also there's the benefit of thermal insulation for the building. <p>Hey, it worked for Hobbits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , how about putting grass on the tops of buildings instead ?
Maybe wheatgrass for the health concious .
That way we do n't have to worry about hard white light blinding people since it 's an easier shade of green .
Also there 's the benefit of thermal insulation for the building .
Hey , it worked for Hobbits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, how about putting grass on the tops of buildings instead?
Maybe wheatgrass for the health concious.
That way we don't have to worry about hard white light blinding people since it's an easier shade of green.
Also there's the benefit of thermal insulation for the building.
Hey, it worked for Hobbits.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115755</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>syphax</author>
	<datestamp>1243420980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your post seems to omit a link to said study with the precise language, "it was way past too late for us to do anything about it now."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your post seems to omit a link to said study with the precise language , " it was way past too late for us to do anything about it now .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your post seems to omit a link to said study with the precise language, "it was way past too late for us to do anything about it now.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28121973</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>MightyDrunken</author>
	<datestamp>1243517100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Are you sure that it's detrimental?


In general, the warmer periods in Earth's history coincide with a vigorous growth in the biosphere.</p></div><p>Citation needed.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>More energy is available.</p></div><p>I could quibble but I won't.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeah, we lose Texas. but we gain large swaths of Canada and Siberia.</p></div><p>You forgot we lose India, China, Brazil, Southern Europe<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...(depends on the degree of warming)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Just remember:  Change isn't always bad.  Climate change might be bad, might be good; most likely it will be a mix.</p></div><p>Well it is bad if people are living in areas which are by the sea or where they can farm and then it moves. Lots of people would have to move.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you sure that it 's detrimental ?
In general , the warmer periods in Earth 's history coincide with a vigorous growth in the biosphere.Citation needed.More energy is available.I could quibble but I wo n't.Yeah , we lose Texas .
but we gain large swaths of Canada and Siberia.You forgot we lose India , China , Brazil , Southern Europe ... ( depends on the degree of warming ) Just remember : Change is n't always bad .
Climate change might be bad , might be good ; most likely it will be a mix.Well it is bad if people are living in areas which are by the sea or where they can farm and then it moves .
Lots of people would have to move .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you sure that it's detrimental?
In general, the warmer periods in Earth's history coincide with a vigorous growth in the biosphere.Citation needed.More energy is available.I could quibble but I won't.Yeah, we lose Texas.
but we gain large swaths of Canada and Siberia.You forgot we lose India, China, Brazil, Southern Europe ...(depends on the degree of warming)Just remember:  Change isn't always bad.
Climate change might be bad, might be good; most likely it will be a mix.Well it is bad if people are living in areas which are by the sea or where they can farm and then it moves.
Lots of people would have to move.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116341</id>
	<title>Pale Surfaces</title>
	<author>paintballer1087</author>
	<datestamp>1243423500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>An increase in pale surfaces would help to contain climate change both by reflecting more solar radiation into space and by reducing the amount of energy needed to keep buildings cool by air-conditioning.</p></div><p> Don't believe them, It's all part of an evil plot to get Slashdotters to leave the basement and go outside.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>An increase in pale surfaces would help to contain climate change both by reflecting more solar radiation into space and by reducing the amount of energy needed to keep buildings cool by air-conditioning .
Do n't believe them , It 's all part of an evil plot to get Slashdotters to leave the basement and go outside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An increase in pale surfaces would help to contain climate change both by reflecting more solar radiation into space and by reducing the amount of energy needed to keep buildings cool by air-conditioning.
Don't believe them, It's all part of an evil plot to get Slashdotters to leave the basement and go outside.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117265</id>
	<title>White roofs decrease A/C load!!</title>
	<author>caffeineboy</author>
	<datestamp>1243428900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>White roofs have the double effect of significantly reducing the air conditioning load within the building.  This reduction in power consumption will probably reduce global warming by avoiding CO2 emissions as much if not more than the direct reflection effect...  The peak power demand days in California are during the summer because of all the air conditioning.</p><p><a href="http://www.homeenergy.org/archive/hem.dis.anl.gov/eehem/94/940509.html" title="homeenergy.org">One study</a> [homeenergy.org] found that there was between a 15\% and 60\% reduction in cooling power use just by applying a white roofing compound.</p><p>One problem with this is that high albeido (white-ish) pavement doesn't stay that way for very long because concrete ages and gets dirty.<br>You can read more about this <a href="http://www.eoearth.org/article/Cool\_paving" title="eoearth.org">here</a> [eoearth.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>White roofs have the double effect of significantly reducing the air conditioning load within the building .
This reduction in power consumption will probably reduce global warming by avoiding CO2 emissions as much if not more than the direct reflection effect... The peak power demand days in California are during the summer because of all the air conditioning.One study [ homeenergy.org ] found that there was between a 15 \ % and 60 \ % reduction in cooling power use just by applying a white roofing compound.One problem with this is that high albeido ( white-ish ) pavement does n't stay that way for very long because concrete ages and gets dirty.You can read more about this here [ eoearth.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>White roofs have the double effect of significantly reducing the air conditioning load within the building.
This reduction in power consumption will probably reduce global warming by avoiding CO2 emissions as much if not more than the direct reflection effect...  The peak power demand days in California are during the summer because of all the air conditioning.One study [homeenergy.org] found that there was between a 15\% and 60\% reduction in cooling power use just by applying a white roofing compound.One problem with this is that high albeido (white-ish) pavement doesn't stay that way for very long because concrete ages and gets dirty.You can read more about this here [eoearth.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116379</id>
	<title>It's Kelvintastic!</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1243423800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>can cool down LA by an average of 2-3K</p></div><p>Holy crap! Two to three thousand degrees of cooling? Wait! Won't that take use below absolute zero? Augh!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>can cool down LA by an average of 2-3KHoly crap !
Two to three thousand degrees of cooling ?
Wait ! Wo n't that take use below absolute zero ?
Augh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>can cool down LA by an average of 2-3KHoly crap!
Two to three thousand degrees of cooling?
Wait! Won't that take use below absolute zero?
Augh!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117261</id>
	<title>AGW Asshats</title>
	<author>arcticinfantry</author>
	<datestamp>1243428840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone in the US who thinks the earth needs to be cooler needs to sleep outside for a year.  If you still have the same opinion a year later, give me a call.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone in the US who thinks the earth needs to be cooler needs to sleep outside for a year .
If you still have the same opinion a year later , give me a call .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone in the US who thinks the earth needs to be cooler needs to sleep outside for a year.
If you still have the same opinion a year later, give me a call.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115779</id>
	<title>Re:Mirrors</title>
	<author>syphax</author>
	<datestamp>1243421100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, a light-colored metal roof is <a href="http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=roof\_prods.pr\_roof\_products" title="energystar.gov">a really good thing</a> [energystar.gov]- sheds snow, much better energy characteristics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , a light-colored metal roof is a really good thing [ energystar.gov ] - sheds snow , much better energy characteristics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, a light-colored metal roof is a really good thing [energystar.gov]- sheds snow, much better energy characteristics.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115447</id>
	<title>Re:Other Pollution</title>
	<author>Jeng</author>
	<datestamp>1243419960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Titanium dioxide which is the most common pigment for white paint has some interesting anti-pollution features.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium\_dioxide" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium\_dioxide</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>As for your proposed green roof, research the hell out of it or find a reputable roofing company to do the work and have them guarantee it.  You destroy your roof, you destroy your home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Titanium dioxide which is the most common pigment for white paint has some interesting anti-pollution features.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium \ _dioxide [ wikipedia.org ] As for your proposed green roof , research the hell out of it or find a reputable roofing company to do the work and have them guarantee it .
You destroy your roof , you destroy your home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Titanium dioxide which is the most common pigment for white paint has some interesting anti-pollution features.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium\_dioxide [wikipedia.org]As for your proposed green roof, research the hell out of it or find a reputable roofing company to do the work and have them guarantee it.
You destroy your roof, you destroy your home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28118123</id>
	<title>Re:Chu's claim disproves global warming!</title>
	<author>femtobyte</author>
	<datestamp>1243435080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The light coming in from the sun is mostly near the "visible" band of frequencies that our eyes are good at seeing, ~300-800nm wavelength. The atmosphere is fairly transparent to these wavelengths (hence all the light getting through to us from the sun). The "greenhouse effect" occurs when this visible light is absorbed by (dark-colored) matter and then re-emitted as heat in the thermal IR, at wavelengths around 10,000nm, which are more strongly reflected by "greenhouse gasses" like CO2 in the atmosphere than visible light. A white surface reflects back the visible light --- that can escape back out through the atmosphere --- instead of absorbing it and re-emitting thermal IR that gets trapped. There is no contradiction of the standard global warming model here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The light coming in from the sun is mostly near the " visible " band of frequencies that our eyes are good at seeing , ~ 300-800nm wavelength .
The atmosphere is fairly transparent to these wavelengths ( hence all the light getting through to us from the sun ) .
The " greenhouse effect " occurs when this visible light is absorbed by ( dark-colored ) matter and then re-emitted as heat in the thermal IR , at wavelengths around 10,000nm , which are more strongly reflected by " greenhouse gasses " like CO2 in the atmosphere than visible light .
A white surface reflects back the visible light --- that can escape back out through the atmosphere --- instead of absorbing it and re-emitting thermal IR that gets trapped .
There is no contradiction of the standard global warming model here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The light coming in from the sun is mostly near the "visible" band of frequencies that our eyes are good at seeing, ~300-800nm wavelength.
The atmosphere is fairly transparent to these wavelengths (hence all the light getting through to us from the sun).
The "greenhouse effect" occurs when this visible light is absorbed by (dark-colored) matter and then re-emitted as heat in the thermal IR, at wavelengths around 10,000nm, which are more strongly reflected by "greenhouse gasses" like CO2 in the atmosphere than visible light.
A white surface reflects back the visible light --- that can escape back out through the atmosphere --- instead of absorbing it and re-emitting thermal IR that gets trapped.
There is no contradiction of the standard global warming model here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115607</id>
	<title>Re:Snow blindness anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243420500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've obviously never seen a UPS truck from above at night. The dome light in the truck shines through the roof. Therefore, it's clear that the roof is plastic, and its purpose is to <em>transmit</em> light, not reflect it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've obviously never seen a UPS truck from above at night .
The dome light in the truck shines through the roof .
Therefore , it 's clear that the roof is plastic , and its purpose is to transmit light , not reflect it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've obviously never seen a UPS truck from above at night.
The dome light in the truck shines through the roof.
Therefore, it's clear that the roof is plastic, and its purpose is to transmit light, not reflect it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28120395</id>
	<title>I can do better</title>
	<author>Kim0</author>
	<datestamp>1243502160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are much better stuff than white paint for reflecting the sun light.</p><p>There are retro-reflectors, which send the sun back into space, while white paint sends most of it to the ground and clouds.</p><p>My system can even turn off the reflection, to cool off at night. It is a sun driven air conditioner, or heater, and cheap as well</p><p><a href="http://kim.oyhus.no/SunValve/" title="oyhus.no" rel="nofollow">http://kim.oyhus.no/SunValve/</a> [oyhus.no]</p><p>Kim0</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are much better stuff than white paint for reflecting the sun light.There are retro-reflectors , which send the sun back into space , while white paint sends most of it to the ground and clouds.My system can even turn off the reflection , to cool off at night .
It is a sun driven air conditioner , or heater , and cheap as wellhttp : //kim.oyhus.no/SunValve/ [ oyhus.no ] Kim0</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are much better stuff than white paint for reflecting the sun light.There are retro-reflectors, which send the sun back into space, while white paint sends most of it to the ground and clouds.My system can even turn off the reflection, to cool off at night.
It is a sun driven air conditioner, or heater, and cheap as wellhttp://kim.oyhus.no/SunValve/ [oyhus.no]Kim0</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116057</id>
	<title>Follow the money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243422060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And Al Gore will be happy to sell you the paint.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And Al Gore will be happy to sell you the paint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Al Gore will be happy to sell you the paint.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115617</id>
	<title>What about heat?</title>
	<author>IGnatius T Foobar</author>
	<datestamp>1243420500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This brilliant "idea" fails to take into consideration the fact that in the winter, sunlight falling on a roof does add to the heat inside the house.  If the roof were a light color, that heat would have to be replaced by burning some sort of fuel.  So unless you're in a location that never needs heat, the idea doesn't work.<br> <br>Personally I don't believe there is such a thing as anthropomorphic climate change, but if I did, I would still keep my roof a dark color.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This brilliant " idea " fails to take into consideration the fact that in the winter , sunlight falling on a roof does add to the heat inside the house .
If the roof were a light color , that heat would have to be replaced by burning some sort of fuel .
So unless you 're in a location that never needs heat , the idea does n't work .
Personally I do n't believe there is such a thing as anthropomorphic climate change , but if I did , I would still keep my roof a dark color .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This brilliant "idea" fails to take into consideration the fact that in the winter, sunlight falling on a roof does add to the heat inside the house.
If the roof were a light color, that heat would have to be replaced by burning some sort of fuel.
So unless you're in a location that never needs heat, the idea doesn't work.
Personally I don't believe there is such a thing as anthropomorphic climate change, but if I did, I would still keep my roof a dark color.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115855</id>
	<title>Re:Light Pollution</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1243421340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, it's so hot that going outdoors melts my eyeballs, but at least I can see the stars!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it 's so hot that going outdoors melts my eyeballs , but at least I can see the stars !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it's so hot that going outdoors melts my eyeballs, but at least I can see the stars!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115583</id>
	<title>Re:why roofs in hot countries are whitewashed</title>
	<author>puppetman</author>
	<datestamp>1243420320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How does that work?</p><p>I would expect that the color of the roof would be irrelevant if it was buried under a blanket of white, insulating snow - no sunshine would hit it.</p><p>A bare roof on a cold, clear day would heat up. But it sounds like it would make more sense to paint your house black, not your roof, as heat rises.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How does that work ? I would expect that the color of the roof would be irrelevant if it was buried under a blanket of white , insulating snow - no sunshine would hit it.A bare roof on a cold , clear day would heat up .
But it sounds like it would make more sense to paint your house black , not your roof , as heat rises .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does that work?I would expect that the color of the roof would be irrelevant if it was buried under a blanket of white, insulating snow - no sunshine would hit it.A bare roof on a cold, clear day would heat up.
But it sounds like it would make more sense to paint your house black, not your roof, as heat rises.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115353</id>
	<title>Re:Double benefit</title>
	<author>geekmux</author>
	<datestamp>1243419660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Whitewash also absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere and turns into Calcium carbonate to get that milky white look, so in addition to reflecting sunlight, we also remove some CO2 from the air. On the downside, whitewashed walls look butt ugly...</p></div><p>Ah, don't worry, maybe whitewash will become the new black, and will be the next not-as-hottest thing in building "fashion"...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whitewash also absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere and turns into Calcium carbonate to get that milky white look , so in addition to reflecting sunlight , we also remove some CO2 from the air .
On the downside , whitewashed walls look butt ugly...Ah , do n't worry , maybe whitewash will become the new black , and will be the next not-as-hottest thing in building " fashion " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whitewash also absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere and turns into Calcium carbonate to get that milky white look, so in addition to reflecting sunlight, we also remove some CO2 from the air.
On the downside, whitewashed walls look butt ugly...Ah, don't worry, maybe whitewash will become the new black, and will be the next not-as-hottest thing in building "fashion"...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115511</id>
	<title>Buying paint could accelerate climate change.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1243420080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other news: Being stupid now rewarded by society more than ever before! Government offering tax breaks.</p><p>^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news : Being stupid now rewarded by society more than ever before !
Government offering tax breaks. ^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news: Being stupid now rewarded by society more than ever before!
Government offering tax breaks.^^</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115841</id>
	<title>Re:Light Pollution</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1243421340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only am I not worried about light pollution from people painting roofs white, I'm not worried about light pollution period! If you are, I suggest you move-- it's a big country*.</p><p>* Note: I'm assuming you're in the US, China, Russia, Canada, or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... a big country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only am I not worried about light pollution from people painting roofs white , I 'm not worried about light pollution period !
If you are , I suggest you move-- it 's a big country * .
* Note : I 'm assuming you 're in the US , China , Russia , Canada , or ... a big country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only am I not worried about light pollution from people painting roofs white, I'm not worried about light pollution period!
If you are, I suggest you move-- it's a big country*.
* Note: I'm assuming you're in the US, China, Russia, Canada, or ... a big country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28118837</id>
	<title>No thanks.</title>
	<author>w0mprat</author>
	<datestamp>1243441320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I rely on my dark roof for forced air solar heating/heat recover, which incidentally saves me quite a lot on winter energy bills, and thus contributes just the same.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I rely on my dark roof for forced air solar heating/heat recover , which incidentally saves me quite a lot on winter energy bills , and thus contributes just the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I rely on my dark roof for forced air solar heating/heat recover, which incidentally saves me quite a lot on winter energy bills, and thus contributes just the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28120613</id>
	<title>White?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243504260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why white? From my physics knowledge, that would reduce the amount of heat captured from the sun, which would cause the electric heaters to work harder to keep my apartment warm.</p><p>Please explain how painting *the world* white would help with global warming. The world is more than the air-conditioned equatorial regions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why white ?
From my physics knowledge , that would reduce the amount of heat captured from the sun , which would cause the electric heaters to work harder to keep my apartment warm.Please explain how painting * the world * white would help with global warming .
The world is more than the air-conditioned equatorial regions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why white?
From my physics knowledge, that would reduce the amount of heat captured from the sun, which would cause the electric heaters to work harder to keep my apartment warm.Please explain how painting *the world* white would help with global warming.
The world is more than the air-conditioned equatorial regions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28121303</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243511100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But they didn't, did they?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But they did n't , did they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But they didn't, did they?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116135</id>
	<title>Who is this Chu?</title>
	<author>Malakkar</author>
	<datestamp>1243422360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Looks like just another plan by the man, to try and whiten Homie d' Clown up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like just another plan by the man , to try and whiten Homie d ' Clown up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like just another plan by the man, to try and whiten Homie d' Clown up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28124081</id>
	<title>Re:White asphalt?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243527420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How the hell did these get moderated +5?  Places like Minnesota have used conrete roads for decades (last longer in the extreme climate) and have not run into any of those issues that  "come to mind".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How the hell did these get moderated + 5 ?
Places like Minnesota have used conrete roads for decades ( last longer in the extreme climate ) and have not run into any of those issues that " come to mind " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How the hell did these get moderated +5?
Places like Minnesota have used conrete roads for decades (last longer in the extreme climate) and have not run into any of those issues that  "come to mind".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115137</id>
	<title>Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the Lit</title>
	<author>sampson7</author>
	<datestamp>1243419000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are very free lunches in the world of energy production and consumption.  Lightening the color of pavement and roofing materials about as close as we get.  From a <a href="http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp;jsessionid=0B736FBA353F47291BC5280950C04B8C?purl=/860475-UlHWIq/" title="osti.gov">DOE study</a> [osti.gov]:<blockquote><div><p>As an example, computer simulations for Los Angeles, CA show that resurfacing about two-third of the pavements and rooftops with reflective surfaces and planting three trees per house can cool down LA by an average of 2-3K. This reduction in air temperature will reduce urban smog exposure in the LA basin by roughly the same amount as removing the basin entire onroad vehicle exhaust. Heat island mitigation is an effective air pollution control strategy, more than paying for itself in cooling energy cost savings. We estimate that the cooling energy savings in U.S. from cool surfaces and shade trees, when fully implemented, is about $5 billion per year (about $100 per air-conditioned house).</p></div></blockquote><p>Amazing, isn't it?  Two to three degrees in temperature reduction in a major city just by resurfacing, repainting, and planting trees.  Yeah, sure, it's not sexy.  But the cost savings<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... staggering.  Add in the health benefits of reducing smog, plus the reduction of human misery from over-heated citys, and you wonder why we haven't done this years ago.  <br> <br>I know this is going to sound like a self-serving political statement from a hardcore Democrat -- but well done, President Obama.  You picked a scientist to run an agency.  You gave him a mission to better humanity through reducing carbon emissions and energy consumption.  You gave him a platform where he would be heard.  Well done indeed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are very free lunches in the world of energy production and consumption .
Lightening the color of pavement and roofing materials about as close as we get .
From a DOE study [ osti.gov ] : As an example , computer simulations for Los Angeles , CA show that resurfacing about two-third of the pavements and rooftops with reflective surfaces and planting three trees per house can cool down LA by an average of 2-3K .
This reduction in air temperature will reduce urban smog exposure in the LA basin by roughly the same amount as removing the basin entire onroad vehicle exhaust .
Heat island mitigation is an effective air pollution control strategy , more than paying for itself in cooling energy cost savings .
We estimate that the cooling energy savings in U.S. from cool surfaces and shade trees , when fully implemented , is about $ 5 billion per year ( about $ 100 per air-conditioned house ) .Amazing , is n't it ?
Two to three degrees in temperature reduction in a major city just by resurfacing , repainting , and planting trees .
Yeah , sure , it 's not sexy .
But the cost savings ... staggering. Add in the health benefits of reducing smog , plus the reduction of human misery from over-heated citys , and you wonder why we have n't done this years ago .
I know this is going to sound like a self-serving political statement from a hardcore Democrat -- but well done , President Obama .
You picked a scientist to run an agency .
You gave him a mission to better humanity through reducing carbon emissions and energy consumption .
You gave him a platform where he would be heard .
Well done indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are very free lunches in the world of energy production and consumption.
Lightening the color of pavement and roofing materials about as close as we get.
From a DOE study [osti.gov]:As an example, computer simulations for Los Angeles, CA show that resurfacing about two-third of the pavements and rooftops with reflective surfaces and planting three trees per house can cool down LA by an average of 2-3K.
This reduction in air temperature will reduce urban smog exposure in the LA basin by roughly the same amount as removing the basin entire onroad vehicle exhaust.
Heat island mitigation is an effective air pollution control strategy, more than paying for itself in cooling energy cost savings.
We estimate that the cooling energy savings in U.S. from cool surfaces and shade trees, when fully implemented, is about $5 billion per year (about $100 per air-conditioned house).Amazing, isn't it?
Two to three degrees in temperature reduction in a major city just by resurfacing, repainting, and planting trees.
Yeah, sure, it's not sexy.
But the cost savings ... staggering.  Add in the health benefits of reducing smog, plus the reduction of human misery from over-heated citys, and you wonder why we haven't done this years ago.
I know this is going to sound like a self-serving political statement from a hardcore Democrat -- but well done, President Obama.
You picked a scientist to run an agency.
You gave him a mission to better humanity through reducing carbon emissions and energy consumption.
You gave him a platform where he would be heard.
Well done indeed.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28125515</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243533300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Paint roofs white? With the efficiency increases in photo-electric technology, why not put solar panels on every roof?</p></div><p>As the owner a small business in California, I will say I would not be very surprised to receive a mandate from the government to do both. In my rented office.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Paint roofs white ?
With the efficiency increases in photo-electric technology , why not put solar panels on every roof ? As the owner a small business in California , I will say I would not be very surprised to receive a mandate from the government to do both .
In my rented office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paint roofs white?
With the efficiency increases in photo-electric technology, why not put solar panels on every roof?As the owner a small business in California, I will say I would not be very surprised to receive a mandate from the government to do both.
In my rented office.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28127053</id>
	<title>I guess Dr. Chu's from someplace warm...</title>
	<author>smithmc</author>
	<datestamp>1243538460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If we paint all the roofs white, what about the additional heating costs this will incur in the winter in the colder parts of the world?  Seems to me we need a way to turn the roofs (and pavement etc.) white in the summer, and black in the winter, no?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we paint all the roofs white , what about the additional heating costs this will incur in the winter in the colder parts of the world ?
Seems to me we need a way to turn the roofs ( and pavement etc .
) white in the summer , and black in the winter , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we paint all the roofs white, what about the additional heating costs this will incur in the winter in the colder parts of the world?
Seems to me we need a way to turn the roofs (and pavement etc.
) white in the summer, and black in the winter, no?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28118575</id>
	<title>Re:why roofs in hot countries are whitewashed</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1243438920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Maybe we like having black roofs and roads to melt the snow faster if there's a little opening?</i></p><p>Speaking as someone who lives around the 53rd parallel, dibs out.  Snow melting prematurely on my roof means the danger of ice jams, which means water backing up under the shingles and causing all sorts of havoc.  Hell, we go out of our way, around here, to ensure our roofs are properly vented so that warm air escapes the attic and doesn't melt snow cover from beneath.</p><p>As for roads, a combination of plowing, sheer traffic volume, and in some areas, salting, will do far more to keep roads clear than a little blacktop.  Once again, speaking from experience, around here, the roads that are clear during the winter are ones that are cleared off, and frequently driven on.  After all, once the snow is down, unless something removes, it, no sunlight will hit the blacktop to heat it up in the first place.</p><p>Hell, a road surface that discourages partial melting might even be a good thing... or have you never hit a patch of black ice?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe we like having black roofs and roads to melt the snow faster if there 's a little opening ? Speaking as someone who lives around the 53rd parallel , dibs out .
Snow melting prematurely on my roof means the danger of ice jams , which means water backing up under the shingles and causing all sorts of havoc .
Hell , we go out of our way , around here , to ensure our roofs are properly vented so that warm air escapes the attic and does n't melt snow cover from beneath.As for roads , a combination of plowing , sheer traffic volume , and in some areas , salting , will do far more to keep roads clear than a little blacktop .
Once again , speaking from experience , around here , the roads that are clear during the winter are ones that are cleared off , and frequently driven on .
After all , once the snow is down , unless something removes , it , no sunlight will hit the blacktop to heat it up in the first place.Hell , a road surface that discourages partial melting might even be a good thing... or have you never hit a patch of black ice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we like having black roofs and roads to melt the snow faster if there's a little opening?Speaking as someone who lives around the 53rd parallel, dibs out.
Snow melting prematurely on my roof means the danger of ice jams, which means water backing up under the shingles and causing all sorts of havoc.
Hell, we go out of our way, around here, to ensure our roofs are properly vented so that warm air escapes the attic and doesn't melt snow cover from beneath.As for roads, a combination of plowing, sheer traffic volume, and in some areas, salting, will do far more to keep roads clear than a little blacktop.
Once again, speaking from experience, around here, the roads that are clear during the winter are ones that are cleared off, and frequently driven on.
After all, once the snow is down, unless something removes, it, no sunlight will hit the blacktop to heat it up in the first place.Hell, a road surface that discourages partial melting might even be a good thing... or have you never hit a patch of black ice?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28127849</id>
	<title>Use some critical thinking</title>
	<author>GPS Pilot</author>
	<datestamp>1243540740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Amazing, isn't it? Two to three degrees in temperature reduction in a major city just by resurfacing, repainting, and planting trees. Yeah, sure, it's not sexy. But the cost savings<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... staggering</i></p><p>Are they?  I don't see where you've even begun to attempt to estimate the cost of doing this.  To resurface all of our roads would itself have a staggering cost.  Until someone estimates the cost of doing this, any claim that the savings would be "staggering" is B.S.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazing , is n't it ?
Two to three degrees in temperature reduction in a major city just by resurfacing , repainting , and planting trees .
Yeah , sure , it 's not sexy .
But the cost savings ... staggeringAre they ?
I do n't see where you 've even begun to attempt to estimate the cost of doing this .
To resurface all of our roads would itself have a staggering cost .
Until someone estimates the cost of doing this , any claim that the savings would be " staggering " is B.S .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazing, isn't it?
Two to three degrees in temperature reduction in a major city just by resurfacing, repainting, and planting trees.
Yeah, sure, it's not sexy.
But the cost savings ... staggeringAre they?
I don't see where you've even begun to attempt to estimate the cost of doing this.
To resurface all of our roads would itself have a staggering cost.
Until someone estimates the cost of doing this, any claim that the savings would be "staggering" is B.S.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115057</id>
	<title>Mirrors</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243418760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If white roofs are good, maybe we can put down aluminum foil and that will be even better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If white roofs are good , maybe we can put down aluminum foil and that will be even better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If white roofs are good, maybe we can put down aluminum foil and that will be even better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117963</id>
	<title>THIS JUST IN!</title>
	<author>p51d007</author>
	<datestamp>1243433640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Holding your breath will reduce "global warming".
Painting your roof white........will you idiotic tree huggin idiots
please crawl back under the rock you came from?  You're screwing it
up for everyone else!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Holding your breath will reduce " global warming " .
Painting your roof white........will you idiotic tree huggin idiots please crawl back under the rock you came from ?
You 're screwing it up for everyone else !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holding your breath will reduce "global warming".
Painting your roof white........will you idiotic tree huggin idiots
please crawl back under the rock you came from?
You're screwing it
up for everyone else!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115463</id>
	<title>This is not a new idea...</title>
	<author>DFarmerTX</author>
	<datestamp>1243420020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But, check out this article:
<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2007/tc20070613\_758755.htm" title="businessweek.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/</a> [businessweek.com] <br>
It says painting everything white is <i>better</i> than solar!</htmltext>
<tokenext>But , check out this article : http : //www.businessweek.com/ [ businessweek.com ] It says painting everything white is better than solar !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But, check out this article:
http://www.businessweek.com/ [businessweek.com] 
It says painting everything white is better than solar!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117887</id>
	<title>Tack space blankets to your roof</title>
	<author>BoromirTheBold</author>
	<datestamp>1243433160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Experiment: Step 1: Monitor temperature in your attic for several days. And Outside. Step 2: Tack 4-5 space blankets to your roof rather than use paint. Step 3. Remeasure temperature in your attic and outside for several days.

Space blankets should reflect light away from the roof. What do you expect?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Experiment : Step 1 : Monitor temperature in your attic for several days .
And Outside .
Step 2 : Tack 4-5 space blankets to your roof rather than use paint .
Step 3 .
Remeasure temperature in your attic and outside for several days .
Space blankets should reflect light away from the roof .
What do you expect ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Experiment: Step 1: Monitor temperature in your attic for several days.
And Outside.
Step 2: Tack 4-5 space blankets to your roof rather than use paint.
Step 3.
Remeasure temperature in your attic and outside for several days.
Space blankets should reflect light away from the roof.
What do you expect?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117803</id>
	<title>That was easy!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243432500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now I just need a big red button</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I just need a big red button</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now I just need a big red button</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28120097</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>oneplus999</author>
	<datestamp>1243541760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My cynicism knows no bounds, which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it.  I'm betting something to the tune of, "Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years!"</p></div><p>Tried to think of a similar situation, but the closest I could think of was when Obama pointed out that keeping your tires inflated to the proper psi could save a lot of gas for the whole nation.  McCain criticized it because, I dunno, it wasn't as sexy as electric cars?  It's actually a perfectly reasonable suggestion that would be effective and easy to do, and as far as I can tell McCain was forced to "fight" it because the other guy brought it up first.  I can't off the top of my head think of any things like this going the other way.  However, Obama was sort of criticized or made fun of for agreeing with Hillary in the primaries too much.</p><p>

<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2008/08/07/tire-pressure-taunt/" title="foxnews.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2008/08/07/tire-pressure-taunt/</a> [foxnews.com]
</p><p>
Yes it's Fox News, but it was the first google hit and I'm lazy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My cynicism knows no bounds , which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it .
I 'm betting something to the tune of , " Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years !
" Tried to think of a similar situation , but the closest I could think of was when Obama pointed out that keeping your tires inflated to the proper psi could save a lot of gas for the whole nation .
McCain criticized it because , I dunno , it was n't as sexy as electric cars ?
It 's actually a perfectly reasonable suggestion that would be effective and easy to do , and as far as I can tell McCain was forced to " fight " it because the other guy brought it up first .
I ca n't off the top of my head think of any things like this going the other way .
However , Obama was sort of criticized or made fun of for agreeing with Hillary in the primaries too much .
http : //www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2008/08/07/tire-pressure-taunt/ [ foxnews.com ] Yes it 's Fox News , but it was the first google hit and I 'm lazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My cynicism knows no bounds, which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it.
I'm betting something to the tune of, "Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years!
"Tried to think of a similar situation, but the closest I could think of was when Obama pointed out that keeping your tires inflated to the proper psi could save a lot of gas for the whole nation.
McCain criticized it because, I dunno, it wasn't as sexy as electric cars?
It's actually a perfectly reasonable suggestion that would be effective and easy to do, and as far as I can tell McCain was forced to "fight" it because the other guy brought it up first.
I can't off the top of my head think of any things like this going the other way.
However, Obama was sort of criticized or made fun of for agreeing with Hillary in the primaries too much.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2008/08/07/tire-pressure-taunt/ [foxnews.com]

Yes it's Fox News, but it was the first google hit and I'm lazy.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117659</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1243431480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No, it isn't. It's a theory. You can debate how well supported the theory is, but to claim it is a fact is a sign of religion seeping into science.</p></div><p>Another sign of religion seeping into science is blatant misuse of the term "theory" as if it means "on par with any random speculation."  Same basic tactic being used by creationists to suggest that evolution is "just a theory."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it is n't .
It 's a theory .
You can debate how well supported the theory is , but to claim it is a fact is a sign of religion seeping into science.Another sign of religion seeping into science is blatant misuse of the term " theory " as if it means " on par with any random speculation .
" Same basic tactic being used by creationists to suggest that evolution is " just a theory .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it isn't.
It's a theory.
You can debate how well supported the theory is, but to claim it is a fact is a sign of religion seeping into science.Another sign of religion seeping into science is blatant misuse of the term "theory" as if it means "on par with any random speculation.
"  Same basic tactic being used by creationists to suggest that evolution is "just a theory.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116739</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>bishop32x</author>
	<datestamp>1243425480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The climate isn't a boolean.</p><p>We know the climate is going to change, the question is now how much is it going to change?</p><p>If we stop all human green house gas emissions now (last year actually) the average global temperature will increase by roughly 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit over the next century. If we maintain our current level of green house gas emissions for the next 100 years we should see an increase of 9 degrees. If we bring India and China up to western emissions levels it'll be 12 degrees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The climate is n't a boolean.We know the climate is going to change , the question is now how much is it going to change ? If we stop all human green house gas emissions now ( last year actually ) the average global temperature will increase by roughly 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit over the next century .
If we maintain our current level of green house gas emissions for the next 100 years we should see an increase of 9 degrees .
If we bring India and China up to western emissions levels it 'll be 12 degrees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The climate isn't a boolean.We know the climate is going to change, the question is now how much is it going to change?If we stop all human green house gas emissions now (last year actually) the average global temperature will increase by roughly 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit over the next century.
If we maintain our current level of green house gas emissions for the next 100 years we should see an increase of 9 degrees.
If we bring India and China up to western emissions levels it'll be 12 degrees.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115903</id>
	<title>Unless your roof is sloped 40 degrees...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243421520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Duh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Duh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Duh.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116955</id>
	<title>This is good. But California isn't the world.</title>
	<author>DoninIN</author>
	<datestamp>1243426920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a good idea, as far as it goes. I live in Indiana, if I paint my roof white, I pay less to cool it in the summer... but more to heat it in the winter? Is my heater "greener" than my air conditioner? (probably, but does this margin justify the paint?) So often this kind of thing just assumes the whole planet is someplace like Texas or California or Florida... Yeah white roofs make a LOT of sense there, why in the heck would you have a black one? But those places are not the whole planet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a good idea , as far as it goes .
I live in Indiana , if I paint my roof white , I pay less to cool it in the summer... but more to heat it in the winter ?
Is my heater " greener " than my air conditioner ?
( probably , but does this margin justify the paint ?
) So often this kind of thing just assumes the whole planet is someplace like Texas or California or Florida... Yeah white roofs make a LOT of sense there , why in the heck would you have a black one ?
But those places are not the whole planet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a good idea, as far as it goes.
I live in Indiana, if I paint my roof white, I pay less to cool it in the summer... but more to heat it in the winter?
Is my heater "greener" than my air conditioner?
(probably, but does this margin justify the paint?
) So often this kind of thing just assumes the whole planet is someplace like Texas or California or Florida... Yeah white roofs make a LOT of sense there, why in the heck would you have a black one?
But those places are not the whole planet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28134171</id>
	<title>Incomplete Statistics</title>
	<author>poisoneleven</author>
	<datestamp>1243526880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a huge pet peave of mine. The numbers given are incomplete, if we paint all the roofs white, after how long does it equal taking all cars of the roads for 11 years? 1 year of roofs painted white? 10 years? I mean, theoretically, if I paint just *my* roof white, it will be the equivalent of taking all the cars off all roads for 11 years with a million years payoff time or something. I'm sick and tired of these incomplete statistics. Yes, I skimmed TFA and saw nothing indicating payoff time. I see these kind of part of the information all the time with energy statistics, and while I agree that it will save energy it is impossible to judge real ROI without the timeframe for the return.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a huge pet peave of mine .
The numbers given are incomplete , if we paint all the roofs white , after how long does it equal taking all cars of the roads for 11 years ?
1 year of roofs painted white ?
10 years ?
I mean , theoretically , if I paint just * my * roof white , it will be the equivalent of taking all the cars off all roads for 11 years with a million years payoff time or something .
I 'm sick and tired of these incomplete statistics .
Yes , I skimmed TFA and saw nothing indicating payoff time .
I see these kind of part of the information all the time with energy statistics , and while I agree that it will save energy it is impossible to judge real ROI without the timeframe for the return .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a huge pet peave of mine.
The numbers given are incomplete, if we paint all the roofs white, after how long does it equal taking all cars of the roads for 11 years?
1 year of roofs painted white?
10 years?
I mean, theoretically, if I paint just *my* roof white, it will be the equivalent of taking all the cars off all roads for 11 years with a million years payoff time or something.
I'm sick and tired of these incomplete statistics.
Yes, I skimmed TFA and saw nothing indicating payoff time.
I see these kind of part of the information all the time with energy statistics, and while I agree that it will save energy it is impossible to judge real ROI without the timeframe for the return.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115383</id>
	<title>paint the ocean</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243419720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if we just poured a bunch of white paint in the ocean?  Would that work too?  Man we'd have to make a lot of paint for his plan to work.  Good thing paint doesn't pollute the earth more than carbon.  Oh wait.  It does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if we just poured a bunch of white paint in the ocean ?
Would that work too ?
Man we 'd have to make a lot of paint for his plan to work .
Good thing paint does n't pollute the earth more than carbon .
Oh wait .
It does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if we just poured a bunch of white paint in the ocean?
Would that work too?
Man we'd have to make a lot of paint for his plan to work.
Good thing paint doesn't pollute the earth more than carbon.
Oh wait.
It does.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117541</id>
	<title>Paint wont just magically appear....</title>
	<author>Lord\_of\_the\_nerf</author>
	<datestamp>1243430700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder what kind of an environmental impact making, transporting and maintaining all the white paint would have.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder what kind of an environmental impact making , transporting and maintaining all the white paint would have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder what kind of an environmental impact making, transporting and maintaining all the white paint would have.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28118151</id>
	<title>Stupid, stupid, stupid</title>
	<author>ChrisMaple</author>
	<datestamp>1243435380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Regardless of the merits of painting roofs white, how is this a one-time benefit? Once painted white, they're white as long as maintained. If they're made of white materials, they're white "forever."<br>
Similarly, the claim of cutting carbon emissions by as much as taking all cars off the road for eleven years fails the dimensional analysis test. Having all white roofs <b> <i>for how long</i></b>  makes that equivalence?<p>Come on people, try to think these things through.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Regardless of the merits of painting roofs white , how is this a one-time benefit ?
Once painted white , they 're white as long as maintained .
If they 're made of white materials , they 're white " forever .
" Similarly , the claim of cutting carbon emissions by as much as taking all cars off the road for eleven years fails the dimensional analysis test .
Having all white roofs for how long makes that equivalence ? Come on people , try to think these things through .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regardless of the merits of painting roofs white, how is this a one-time benefit?
Once painted white, they're white as long as maintained.
If they're made of white materials, they're white "forever.
"
Similarly, the claim of cutting carbon emissions by as much as taking all cars off the road for eleven years fails the dimensional analysis test.
Having all white roofs  for how long  makes that equivalence?Come on people, try to think these things through.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119251</id>
	<title>Re:Unfortunately...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243446060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As if painting anything white will save CO2</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As if painting anything white will save CO2</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As if painting anything white will save CO2</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115049</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115337</id>
	<title>Why use paint?</title>
	<author>wonderboss</author>
	<datestamp>1243419600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why use paint?
If you view the video of Dr. Chu's speech in the actual article,
he does not say to paint anything.

Simply using white or light colored roofing materials on
new or replacement roofs does the trick.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why use paint ?
If you view the video of Dr. Chu 's speech in the actual article , he does not say to paint anything .
Simply using white or light colored roofing materials on new or replacement roofs does the trick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why use paint?
If you view the video of Dr. Chu's speech in the actual article,
he does not say to paint anything.
Simply using white or light colored roofing materials on
new or replacement roofs does the trick.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115049</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116015</id>
	<title>Steel Mills</title>
	<author>slowgreenturtle</author>
	<datestamp>1243421880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this go along with the plan to put steel mills in everyone's backyards? Is this the role of our government? Have the scientists whored themselves out so badly that this is all they have left?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this go along with the plan to put steel mills in everyone 's backyards ?
Is this the role of our government ?
Have the scientists whored themselves out so badly that this is all they have left ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this go along with the plan to put steel mills in everyone's backyards?
Is this the role of our government?
Have the scientists whored themselves out so badly that this is all they have left?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116105</id>
	<title>Re:White paint or solar panels?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243422180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and maybe plant some more plants? nah! paint everything instead - what could possibly go wrong?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and maybe plant some more plants ?
nah ! paint everything instead - what could possibly go wrong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and maybe plant some more plants?
nah! paint everything instead - what could possibly go wrong?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115339</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116001</id>
	<title>How about Green?</title>
	<author>Ozlanthos</author>
	<datestamp>1243421820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As almost all foliage is green, wouldn't it make more sense to paint rooftops Green instead of white?

<br>
<br>
-Oz</htmltext>
<tokenext>As almost all foliage is green , would n't it make more sense to paint rooftops Green instead of white ?
-Oz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As almost all foliage is green, wouldn't it make more sense to paint rooftops Green instead of white?
-Oz</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115401</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243419780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a proven fact that man has caused a warming of the planet, and it's generally accepted that this warming will continue until 2100. However, that's no reason to continue the behaviors that caused the warming. Any steps we can take will slow the warming and contribute to an eventual slow reversal.</p><p>The point of that study you mentioned is that the climate fight is a trans-generational battle, and gestures that look like a drop in the sand to us are necessary to eventually reverse the tide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a proven fact that man has caused a warming of the planet , and it 's generally accepted that this warming will continue until 2100 .
However , that 's no reason to continue the behaviors that caused the warming .
Any steps we can take will slow the warming and contribute to an eventual slow reversal.The point of that study you mentioned is that the climate fight is a trans-generational battle , and gestures that look like a drop in the sand to us are necessary to eventually reverse the tide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a proven fact that man has caused a warming of the planet, and it's generally accepted that this warming will continue until 2100.
However, that's no reason to continue the behaviors that caused the warming.
Any steps we can take will slow the warming and contribute to an eventual slow reversal.The point of that study you mentioned is that the climate fight is a trans-generational battle, and gestures that look like a drop in the sand to us are necessary to eventually reverse the tide.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115047</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117017</id>
	<title>Chu's claim disproves global warming!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243427400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>An increase in pale surfaces would help to contain climate change both by reflecting more solar radiation into space and by reducing the amount of energy needed to keep buildings cool by air-conditioning.</i></p><p>What? The AWG hypothesis says that the radiation is being kept IN by the C02 in the atmosphere... thus it matters not that it's reflected back into space by white surfaces on the SURFACE of the Earth SINCE they ARE well within and UNDER the green house gas layers of the atmosphere (not counting the painting of mount everest et. al.)!  Dah!</p><p>What kind of bizarro world is this where the radiation can be reflected back and NOT be stopped by the VERY C02 (and other) GREEN HOUSE GASES that are the problem?</p><p>It is the height of nonsense coming out of Chu's brain as you can't have it both ways there Steve and Al, either the green house gasses keep the radiation trapped in OR they don't! Which will it be?</p><p>If the green house gasses can't keep the heat radiation in then it follows that AWG is now proven false.</p><p>If the green house gases do keep in the heat radiation then AWG might have some tiny probability of being true AND Steven Chu's been proven an idiot for wanting to paint the world a 1984 gray.</p><p>I don't know about you but in Canada we like it toasty thus darker colors for buildings are better to keep it warm in the winter and use less energy for heating.</p><p>White buildings in the southern regions closer to the equator make sense to keep the buildings cooler in the heat that is there most of the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An increase in pale surfaces would help to contain climate change both by reflecting more solar radiation into space and by reducing the amount of energy needed to keep buildings cool by air-conditioning.What ?
The AWG hypothesis says that the radiation is being kept IN by the C02 in the atmosphere... thus it matters not that it 's reflected back into space by white surfaces on the SURFACE of the Earth SINCE they ARE well within and UNDER the green house gas layers of the atmosphere ( not counting the painting of mount everest et .
al. ) ! Dah ! What kind of bizarro world is this where the radiation can be reflected back and NOT be stopped by the VERY C02 ( and other ) GREEN HOUSE GASES that are the problem ? It is the height of nonsense coming out of Chu 's brain as you ca n't have it both ways there Steve and Al , either the green house gasses keep the radiation trapped in OR they do n't !
Which will it be ? If the green house gasses ca n't keep the heat radiation in then it follows that AWG is now proven false.If the green house gases do keep in the heat radiation then AWG might have some tiny probability of being true AND Steven Chu 's been proven an idiot for wanting to paint the world a 1984 gray.I do n't know about you but in Canada we like it toasty thus darker colors for buildings are better to keep it warm in the winter and use less energy for heating.White buildings in the southern regions closer to the equator make sense to keep the buildings cooler in the heat that is there most of the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An increase in pale surfaces would help to contain climate change both by reflecting more solar radiation into space and by reducing the amount of energy needed to keep buildings cool by air-conditioning.What?
The AWG hypothesis says that the radiation is being kept IN by the C02 in the atmosphere... thus it matters not that it's reflected back into space by white surfaces on the SURFACE of the Earth SINCE they ARE well within and UNDER the green house gas layers of the atmosphere (not counting the painting of mount everest et.
al.)!  Dah!What kind of bizarro world is this where the radiation can be reflected back and NOT be stopped by the VERY C02 (and other) GREEN HOUSE GASES that are the problem?It is the height of nonsense coming out of Chu's brain as you can't have it both ways there Steve and Al, either the green house gasses keep the radiation trapped in OR they don't!
Which will it be?If the green house gasses can't keep the heat radiation in then it follows that AWG is now proven false.If the green house gases do keep in the heat radiation then AWG might have some tiny probability of being true AND Steven Chu's been proven an idiot for wanting to paint the world a 1984 gray.I don't know about you but in Canada we like it toasty thus darker colors for buildings are better to keep it warm in the winter and use less energy for heating.White buildings in the southern regions closer to the equator make sense to keep the buildings cooler in the heat that is there most of the time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28123145</id>
	<title>INSIGHTFUL?!?</title>
	<author>anonymousJUGGERNAUT</author>
	<datestamp>1243523040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This person makes a statement like this: "I wonder, when the tide "reverses" because of the Maunder Minimum, will those who cried wolf admit they cried wolf, or will they use the reversal as proof that they were right?" and gets modded insightful?

This shows ignorance at best.

First, the Maunder Minimum happened back around 1700, so nothing is going to "reverse" because of the Maunder Minimum now. To be generous one may assume that the appropriately named "Obfuscant" was trying to refer to the fact that the sun is currently in an extended minimum, and that he/she (I'm betting on "he") is predicting that the current solar minimum will produce a reduction in temperature.

But if we do make that generous assumption that the poster knows what the hell he's talking about and isn't just regurgitating misunderstood talking points, the bit about using the "reversal as proof they were right" reveals this person's mendacity. OF COURSE any reduction in solar output will slow or reverse warming. The greenhouse effect works by trapping solar energy. Anyone who tries to imply that mainstream climate science neglects the importance of the sun is trying to feed you shit. Do not swallow it.

So "Obfuscant" seems to be trying to convince you that if solar output reduces, and climate scientists say "of course that slows down warming, until solar output increases again, but it does not change the fact of the additional greenhouse effect from human emissions--at best it masks it for a little while," that you should think they're changing their story and full of shit. But this is they way the story has always run: there are multiple forcings on the total energy balance of the earth--solar output is one, and the composition of the atmosphere is another--and changes in any of those forcings will affect the total balance.

Right now we're in a period of (in geological terms) very rapid change because of human intervention in one of those forcings: atmospheric composition. This (obviously, to anyone who thinks it through) does not mean that changes to other forcings will cease to have an effect. Similarly, changes to other forcings will not make atmospheric forcings go away, either.

So the only way the solar minimum will "reverse the tide" of human-induced warming is if it continues perpetually, always balancing out the warming from the greenhouse effect with less and less solar output. That is a profoundly unlikely scenario. The parent was the opposite of insightful--the parent was trying to obscure any genuine insight into what's going on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This person makes a statement like this : " I wonder , when the tide " reverses " because of the Maunder Minimum , will those who cried wolf admit they cried wolf , or will they use the reversal as proof that they were right ?
" and gets modded insightful ?
This shows ignorance at best .
First , the Maunder Minimum happened back around 1700 , so nothing is going to " reverse " because of the Maunder Minimum now .
To be generous one may assume that the appropriately named " Obfuscant " was trying to refer to the fact that the sun is currently in an extended minimum , and that he/she ( I 'm betting on " he " ) is predicting that the current solar minimum will produce a reduction in temperature .
But if we do make that generous assumption that the poster knows what the hell he 's talking about and is n't just regurgitating misunderstood talking points , the bit about using the " reversal as proof they were right " reveals this person 's mendacity .
OF COURSE any reduction in solar output will slow or reverse warming .
The greenhouse effect works by trapping solar energy .
Anyone who tries to imply that mainstream climate science neglects the importance of the sun is trying to feed you shit .
Do not swallow it .
So " Obfuscant " seems to be trying to convince you that if solar output reduces , and climate scientists say " of course that slows down warming , until solar output increases again , but it does not change the fact of the additional greenhouse effect from human emissions--at best it masks it for a little while , " that you should think they 're changing their story and full of shit .
But this is they way the story has always run : there are multiple forcings on the total energy balance of the earth--solar output is one , and the composition of the atmosphere is another--and changes in any of those forcings will affect the total balance .
Right now we 're in a period of ( in geological terms ) very rapid change because of human intervention in one of those forcings : atmospheric composition .
This ( obviously , to anyone who thinks it through ) does not mean that changes to other forcings will cease to have an effect .
Similarly , changes to other forcings will not make atmospheric forcings go away , either .
So the only way the solar minimum will " reverse the tide " of human-induced warming is if it continues perpetually , always balancing out the warming from the greenhouse effect with less and less solar output .
That is a profoundly unlikely scenario .
The parent was the opposite of insightful--the parent was trying to obscure any genuine insight into what 's going on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This person makes a statement like this: "I wonder, when the tide "reverses" because of the Maunder Minimum, will those who cried wolf admit they cried wolf, or will they use the reversal as proof that they were right?
" and gets modded insightful?
This shows ignorance at best.
First, the Maunder Minimum happened back around 1700, so nothing is going to "reverse" because of the Maunder Minimum now.
To be generous one may assume that the appropriately named "Obfuscant" was trying to refer to the fact that the sun is currently in an extended minimum, and that he/she (I'm betting on "he") is predicting that the current solar minimum will produce a reduction in temperature.
But if we do make that generous assumption that the poster knows what the hell he's talking about and isn't just regurgitating misunderstood talking points, the bit about using the "reversal as proof they were right" reveals this person's mendacity.
OF COURSE any reduction in solar output will slow or reverse warming.
The greenhouse effect works by trapping solar energy.
Anyone who tries to imply that mainstream climate science neglects the importance of the sun is trying to feed you shit.
Do not swallow it.
So "Obfuscant" seems to be trying to convince you that if solar output reduces, and climate scientists say "of course that slows down warming, until solar output increases again, but it does not change the fact of the additional greenhouse effect from human emissions--at best it masks it for a little while," that you should think they're changing their story and full of shit.
But this is they way the story has always run: there are multiple forcings on the total energy balance of the earth--solar output is one, and the composition of the atmosphere is another--and changes in any of those forcings will affect the total balance.
Right now we're in a period of (in geological terms) very rapid change because of human intervention in one of those forcings: atmospheric composition.
This (obviously, to anyone who thinks it through) does not mean that changes to other forcings will cease to have an effect.
Similarly, changes to other forcings will not make atmospheric forcings go away, either.
So the only way the solar minimum will "reverse the tide" of human-induced warming is if it continues perpetually, always balancing out the warming from the greenhouse effect with less and less solar output.
That is a profoundly unlikely scenario.
The parent was the opposite of insightful--the parent was trying to obscure any genuine insight into what's going on.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115243</id>
	<title>Brilliant Idea!</title>
	<author>CoolCalmChris</author>
	<datestamp>1243419360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Hello, loan department? Stephen Chu just told me that I need to get into the roof-painting business pronto."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Hello , loan department ?
Stephen Chu just told me that I need to get into the roof-painting business pronto .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hello, loan department?
Stephen Chu just told me that I need to get into the roof-painting business pronto.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28121515</id>
	<title>Re:why roofs in hot countries are whitewashed</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1243513680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You want some snow on your roof.  It's a good insulator, but it's also very heavy.  If your house is designed to support a large weight of snow on the roof, then you're fine.  If not, then you want to get the snow off before it accumulates enough to cause the roof to collapse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You want some snow on your roof .
It 's a good insulator , but it 's also very heavy .
If your house is designed to support a large weight of snow on the roof , then you 're fine .
If not , then you want to get the snow off before it accumulates enough to cause the roof to collapse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You want some snow on your roof.
It's a good insulator, but it's also very heavy.
If your house is designed to support a large weight of snow on the roof, then you're fine.
If not, then you want to get the snow off before it accumulates enough to cause the roof to collapse.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28125541</id>
	<title>Re:why roofs in hot countries are whitewashed</title>
	<author>rhakka</author>
	<datestamp>1243533420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh, I think you misunderstand the heat transfer at work here.</p><p>If you are trying to reflect energy, that energy must be travelling through space.  IR waves "from below' have already hit the roof sheathing, which is what will radiate the heat into space in a heating situation.  If you coat the roof in aluminum, you're reduced its emissivity somewhat, but you are not helping to 'reflect' IR waves.. they already stopped, now you're conducting and re-radiatiating/convecting off of the roof surface.</p><p>In other words, your top surface paint is nearly irrelevant to keeping your heat in.  Likewise, your bottom surface is nearly irrelevant to keeping heat out.  If you want to reflect radiant energy in both directions, you need an airspace and reflector plane on both sides, not just top side paint coating.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , I think you misunderstand the heat transfer at work here.If you are trying to reflect energy , that energy must be travelling through space .
IR waves " from below ' have already hit the roof sheathing , which is what will radiate the heat into space in a heating situation .
If you coat the roof in aluminum , you 're reduced its emissivity somewhat , but you are not helping to 'reflect ' IR waves.. they already stopped , now you 're conducting and re-radiatiating/convecting off of the roof surface.In other words , your top surface paint is nearly irrelevant to keeping your heat in .
Likewise , your bottom surface is nearly irrelevant to keeping heat out .
If you want to reflect radiant energy in both directions , you need an airspace and reflector plane on both sides , not just top side paint coating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, I think you misunderstand the heat transfer at work here.If you are trying to reflect energy, that energy must be travelling through space.
IR waves "from below' have already hit the roof sheathing, which is what will radiate the heat into space in a heating situation.
If you coat the roof in aluminum, you're reduced its emissivity somewhat, but you are not helping to 'reflect' IR waves.. they already stopped, now you're conducting and re-radiatiating/convecting off of the roof surface.In other words, your top surface paint is nearly irrelevant to keeping your heat in.
Likewise, your bottom surface is nearly irrelevant to keeping heat out.
If you want to reflect radiant energy in both directions, you need an airspace and reflector plane on both sides, not just top side paint coating.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28123739</id>
	<title>Re:why roofs in hot countries are whitewashed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243525860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Then again, nothing stops you from painting your flat roof white or aluminum and unrolling black sheeting during the winter to help absorb heat from the sun.</p></div><p>Except the 55 degree angle... and 25+ foot drop... and 4-8 hours of labour... multiply all of this by how many times the wind blows it away.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then again , nothing stops you from painting your flat roof white or aluminum and unrolling black sheeting during the winter to help absorb heat from the sun.Except the 55 degree angle... and 25 + foot drop... and 4-8 hours of labour... multiply all of this by how many times the wind blows it away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then again, nothing stops you from painting your flat roof white or aluminum and unrolling black sheeting during the winter to help absorb heat from the sun.Except the 55 degree angle... and 25+ foot drop... and 4-8 hours of labour... multiply all of this by how many times the wind blows it away.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28118185</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243435560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...a self-sustaining positive feedback loop...</p></div><p>There are inputs to solar panel production other than energy.  Ergo, your feedback loop is not self-sustaining.  Ergo, your argument is bunk.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...a self-sustaining positive feedback loop...There are inputs to solar panel production other than energy .
Ergo , your feedback loop is not self-sustaining .
Ergo , your argument is bunk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...a self-sustaining positive feedback loop...There are inputs to solar panel production other than energy.
Ergo, your feedback loop is not self-sustaining.
Ergo, your argument is bunk.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28123811</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1243526220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>My cynicism knows no bounds, which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it. I'm betting something to the tune of, "Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years!"</i></p><p>To be fair, Bush did create the <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13300363/" title="msn.com">world's largest oceanic preserve</a> [msn.com] and was universally lauded for it.  Personally, I think Bush is a war criminal, but at least he did something right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My cynicism knows no bounds , which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it .
I 'm betting something to the tune of , " Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years !
" To be fair , Bush did create the world 's largest oceanic preserve [ msn.com ] and was universally lauded for it .
Personally , I think Bush is a war criminal , but at least he did something right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My cynicism knows no bounds, which gives me to think what the Democratic response to this might have been if a Bush Administration official had proposed it.
I'm betting something to the tune of, "Oh those damned Republicans they want to use band-aid technological fixes so they can go on driving their SUVs over baby polar bears for another ten years!
"To be fair, Bush did create the world's largest oceanic preserve [msn.com] and was universally lauded for it.
Personally, I think Bush is a war criminal, but at least he did something right.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28127761</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>DaveGod</author>
	<datestamp>1243540440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whether substantial change is inevitable or not is a moot point. We can still delay problems and minimise their effect. Just because you are going to die some day does not mean you might as well make it today. The same applies to whether the change is man made or not - we know change will be bad so we should fight it. Regardless, what is most important is the rate of change.</p><p>I mean, shit happens and the everything adapts. If the food supply is cut, eventually it will be OK because it will feed fewer people. That might not be a good thing, but the awful thing will be getting there.</p><p>The rate of change is the sensitive factor. Nature is good at adapting. But it needs time to do it in a way that is not very bad for us. Time also allows us to adapt to it with the minimum of pain.  </p><p>That said, there are some specific points of major concern, such as if the global air and ocean currents (distributing heat from the equator, amongst other things) cease to function. There are some tipping points that when reached, will result in dramatic change. Again though, we can delay when that happens, and minimise all the other problems we will be dealing with at the same time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whether substantial change is inevitable or not is a moot point .
We can still delay problems and minimise their effect .
Just because you are going to die some day does not mean you might as well make it today .
The same applies to whether the change is man made or not - we know change will be bad so we should fight it .
Regardless , what is most important is the rate of change.I mean , shit happens and the everything adapts .
If the food supply is cut , eventually it will be OK because it will feed fewer people .
That might not be a good thing , but the awful thing will be getting there.The rate of change is the sensitive factor .
Nature is good at adapting .
But it needs time to do it in a way that is not very bad for us .
Time also allows us to adapt to it with the minimum of pain .
That said , there are some specific points of major concern , such as if the global air and ocean currents ( distributing heat from the equator , amongst other things ) cease to function .
There are some tipping points that when reached , will result in dramatic change .
Again though , we can delay when that happens , and minimise all the other problems we will be dealing with at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whether substantial change is inevitable or not is a moot point.
We can still delay problems and minimise their effect.
Just because you are going to die some day does not mean you might as well make it today.
The same applies to whether the change is man made or not - we know change will be bad so we should fight it.
Regardless, what is most important is the rate of change.I mean, shit happens and the everything adapts.
If the food supply is cut, eventually it will be OK because it will feed fewer people.
That might not be a good thing, but the awful thing will be getting there.The rate of change is the sensitive factor.
Nature is good at adapting.
But it needs time to do it in a way that is not very bad for us.
Time also allows us to adapt to it with the minimum of pain.
That said, there are some specific points of major concern, such as if the global air and ocean currents (distributing heat from the equator, amongst other things) cease to function.
There are some tipping points that when reached, will result in dramatic change.
Again though, we can delay when that happens, and minimise all the other problems we will be dealing with at the same time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117439</id>
	<title>a question on this reflected light</title>
	<author>louden obscure</author>
	<datestamp>1243430040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i'm curious; what eventually absorbs all this light that gets reflected from these large expanses of "white?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>i 'm curious ; what eventually absorbs all this light that gets reflected from these large expanses of " white ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i'm curious; what eventually absorbs all this light that gets reflected from these large expanses of "white?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115095</id>
	<title>Other Pollution</title>
	<author>ironicsky</author>
	<datestamp>1243418880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if he calculated the amount of green house gas and other pollution would be created by manufacturing all this new paint.
If they were you make roofing tiles and shingles white, what would the pollution cost from people throwing out their old roofs to bring in new white ones? Same with roads.

My favorite roof solution, and something I plan on working on this summer or next summer is to turn my garage roof in to a natural garden by placing a protective tar paper over the shingles, a couple of inches of dirt and then grass or moss seeds. I'll let nature reclaim my man-made structure. Inch for inch, it would be just like grass growing on the ground, except not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if he calculated the amount of green house gas and other pollution would be created by manufacturing all this new paint .
If they were you make roofing tiles and shingles white , what would the pollution cost from people throwing out their old roofs to bring in new white ones ?
Same with roads .
My favorite roof solution , and something I plan on working on this summer or next summer is to turn my garage roof in to a natural garden by placing a protective tar paper over the shingles , a couple of inches of dirt and then grass or moss seeds .
I 'll let nature reclaim my man-made structure .
Inch for inch , it would be just like grass growing on the ground , except not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if he calculated the amount of green house gas and other pollution would be created by manufacturing all this new paint.
If they were you make roofing tiles and shingles white, what would the pollution cost from people throwing out their old roofs to bring in new white ones?
Same with roads.
My favorite roof solution, and something I plan on working on this summer or next summer is to turn my garage roof in to a natural garden by placing a protective tar paper over the shingles, a couple of inches of dirt and then grass or moss seeds.
I'll let nature reclaim my man-made structure.
Inch for inch, it would be just like grass growing on the ground, except not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115163</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>wjousts</author>
	<datestamp>1243419120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a difference in the severity. Even if we can't stop it, we can maybe make it less bad. But, if you want to throw the towel in, then go right ahead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a difference in the severity .
Even if we ca n't stop it , we can maybe make it less bad .
But , if you want to throw the towel in , then go right ahead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a difference in the severity.
Even if we can't stop it, we can maybe make it less bad.
But, if you want to throw the towel in, then go right ahead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115117</id>
	<title>White roofs</title>
	<author>Geoffrey.landis</author>
	<datestamp>1243418940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not really new: <a href="http://ksjtracker.mit.edu/?p=7408" title="mit.edu">Knight science journalism tracker link</a> [mit.edu],
<a href="http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2008/09/10/study-white-rooftops-could-curb-climate-change/" title="csmonitor.com">Christian Science Monitor Blog:</a> [csmonitor.com]
<p>and, the original source:
Powerpoint presentation from LBL: "Global Cooling: Increasing World-wideUrban Albedos to Offset CO2," Hashem Akbari
<a href="http://ksjtracker.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/white-roofs-ppt.pdf" title="mit.edu">PDF file</a> [mit.edu]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really new : Knight science journalism tracker link [ mit.edu ] , Christian Science Monitor Blog : [ csmonitor.com ] and , the original source : Powerpoint presentation from LBL : " Global Cooling : Increasing World-wideUrban Albedos to Offset CO2 , " Hashem Akbari PDF file [ mit.edu ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really new: Knight science journalism tracker link [mit.edu],
Christian Science Monitor Blog: [csmonitor.com]
and, the original source:
Powerpoint presentation from LBL: "Global Cooling: Increasing World-wideUrban Albedos to Offset CO2," Hashem Akbari
PDF file [mit.edu]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115765</id>
	<title>Re:and make all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243421040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's also why roofs are painted that way in tropical regions. No birds on the roof means you can gather a clean water supply from rainfall. Bermuda does this with excellent success.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's also why roofs are painted that way in tropical regions .
No birds on the roof means you can gather a clean water supply from rainfall .
Bermuda does this with excellent success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's also why roofs are painted that way in tropical regions.
No birds on the roof means you can gather a clean water supply from rainfall.
Bermuda does this with excellent success.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117765</id>
	<title>This is obvious.</title>
	<author>Rabbitbunny</author>
	<datestamp>1243432260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ever been on a running track? they're light red and have awesome traction. trade a little traction for durability and you have the perfect road surface. IIRC, this would also increase the ductility and increase it's lifespan in freeze country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever been on a running track ?
they 're light red and have awesome traction .
trade a little traction for durability and you have the perfect road surface .
IIRC , this would also increase the ductility and increase it 's lifespan in freeze country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever been on a running track?
they're light red and have awesome traction.
trade a little traction for durability and you have the perfect road surface.
IIRC, this would also increase the ductility and increase it's lifespan in freeze country.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116297</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1243423260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, <em>all</em> you have to do is repaint, resurface, and plant a whole lotta trees.  It's so simple, I don't know why no one thought of it before.  All it costs is lots of money, time, energy and materials...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , all you have to do is repaint , resurface , and plant a whole lotta trees .
It 's so simple , I do n't know why no one thought of it before .
All it costs is lots of money , time , energy and materials.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, all you have to do is repaint, resurface, and plant a whole lotta trees.
It's so simple, I don't know why no one thought of it before.
All it costs is lots of money, time, energy and materials...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115941</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>Obfuscant</author>
	<datestamp>1243421640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It's a proven fact that man has caused a warming of the planet, </i> <p>
No, it isn't. It's a theory. You can debate how well supported the theory is, but to claim it is a fact is a sign of religion seeping into science.</p><p>
You might look up the difference between "causality" and "correlation".</p><p>
<i>and it's generally accepted that this warming will continue until 2100.</i> </p><p>
<a href="http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm" title="dailytech.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm</a> [dailytech.com] </p><p>
<a href="http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175" title="ibdeditorial.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175</a> [ibdeditorial.com] </p><p>
<i>However, that's no reason to continue the behaviors that caused the warming. Any steps we can take will slow the warming and contribute to an eventual slow reversal.</i> </p><p>
Taking low-cost steps that reduce energy use is quite practical. Demanding that the US cut energy use by 80\% is not. </p><p>
<i>and gestures that look like a drop in the sand to us are necessary to eventually reverse the tide.</i> </p><p>
I wonder, when the tide "reverses" because of the Maunder Minimum, will those who cried wolf admit they cried wolf, or will they use the reversal as proof that they were right? And do those who talk about "reversing tides" recognize the name Xerxes?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a proven fact that man has caused a warming of the planet , No , it is n't .
It 's a theory .
You can debate how well supported the theory is , but to claim it is a fact is a sign of religion seeping into science .
You might look up the difference between " causality " and " correlation " .
and it 's generally accepted that this warming will continue until 2100 . http : //www.dailytech.com/Temperature + Monitors + Report + Widescale + Global + Cooling/article10866.htm [ dailytech.com ] http : //www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx ? id = 287279412587175 [ ibdeditorial.com ] However , that 's no reason to continue the behaviors that caused the warming .
Any steps we can take will slow the warming and contribute to an eventual slow reversal .
Taking low-cost steps that reduce energy use is quite practical .
Demanding that the US cut energy use by 80 \ % is not .
and gestures that look like a drop in the sand to us are necessary to eventually reverse the tide .
I wonder , when the tide " reverses " because of the Maunder Minimum , will those who cried wolf admit they cried wolf , or will they use the reversal as proof that they were right ?
And do those who talk about " reversing tides " recognize the name Xerxes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a proven fact that man has caused a warming of the planet,  
No, it isn't.
It's a theory.
You can debate how well supported the theory is, but to claim it is a fact is a sign of religion seeping into science.
You might look up the difference between "causality" and "correlation".
and it's generally accepted that this warming will continue until 2100. 
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm [dailytech.com] 
http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175 [ibdeditorial.com] 
However, that's no reason to continue the behaviors that caused the warming.
Any steps we can take will slow the warming and contribute to an eventual slow reversal.
Taking low-cost steps that reduce energy use is quite practical.
Demanding that the US cut energy use by 80\% is not.
and gestures that look like a drop in the sand to us are necessary to eventually reverse the tide.
I wonder, when the tide "reverses" because of the Maunder Minimum, will those who cried wolf admit they cried wolf, or will they use the reversal as proof that they were right?
And do those who talk about "reversing tides" recognize the name Xerxes?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115183</id>
	<title>Re:and make all</title>
	<author>wonderboss</author>
	<datestamp>1243419180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have two large buildings with white metal roofs.
Birds don't fly into either of them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have two large buildings with white metal roofs .
Birds do n't fly into either of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have two large buildings with white metal roofs.
Birds don't fly into either of them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115197</id>
	<title>why roofs in hot countries are whitewashed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243419240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's nice for the hot countries.   What about cold countries?  Maybe we like having black roofs and roads to melt the snow faster if there's a little opening?</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's nice for the hot countries .
What about cold countries ?
Maybe we like having black roofs and roads to melt the snow faster if there 's a little opening ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's nice for the hot countries.
What about cold countries?
Maybe we like having black roofs and roads to melt the snow faster if there's a little opening?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28121993</id>
	<title>Cracks me up!</title>
	<author>pottymouth</author>
	<datestamp>1243517160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The way the media (and Slashdot) eats up statements like this as though there were no question of it's validity while, at the same time, rejecting similiary silly (because it is a silly statement) statements that don't corespond to your world view.</p><p>Look for this guy to be gone soon. A half brained monkey with turetts can tell you that the "white roof" concept is only going to be useful in a warm climate area and that excludes much of the US. How about pushing to build more nuclear power plants so we can actually power those electric go-carts Obama will mandate "The Peoples Car Company" (formerly GM) make.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The way the media ( and Slashdot ) eats up statements like this as though there were no question of it 's validity while , at the same time , rejecting similiary silly ( because it is a silly statement ) statements that do n't corespond to your world view.Look for this guy to be gone soon .
A half brained monkey with turetts can tell you that the " white roof " concept is only going to be useful in a warm climate area and that excludes much of the US .
How about pushing to build more nuclear power plants so we can actually power those electric go-carts Obama will mandate " The Peoples Car Company " ( formerly GM ) make .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way the media (and Slashdot) eats up statements like this as though there were no question of it's validity while, at the same time, rejecting similiary silly (because it is a silly statement) statements that don't corespond to your world view.Look for this guy to be gone soon.
A half brained monkey with turetts can tell you that the "white roof" concept is only going to be useful in a warm climate area and that excludes much of the US.
How about pushing to build more nuclear power plants so we can actually power those electric go-carts Obama will mandate "The Peoples Car Company" (formerly GM) make.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28124499</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>ArmorFiend</author>
	<datestamp>1243528980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This does not compete with solar panels, nor is it a "better" or "worse" idea. This should be obvious. Paint is several orders of magnitude cheaper than solar panels.</p><p>As to your "bootstrapping" idea on making solar panels with the electricity from solar panels - guess what - it takes more than electricity to make solar panels.</p><p>You are right though, something here sounds retarded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This does not compete with solar panels , nor is it a " better " or " worse " idea .
This should be obvious .
Paint is several orders of magnitude cheaper than solar panels.As to your " bootstrapping " idea on making solar panels with the electricity from solar panels - guess what - it takes more than electricity to make solar panels.You are right though , something here sounds retarded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This does not compete with solar panels, nor is it a "better" or "worse" idea.
This should be obvious.
Paint is several orders of magnitude cheaper than solar panels.As to your "bootstrapping" idea on making solar panels with the electricity from solar panels - guess what - it takes more than electricity to make solar panels.You are right though, something here sounds retarded.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115273</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243419480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>So, uh... What happened to that? Was that fake, or is this guy ignorant? Or do climate-change types believe stuff whenever it's convenient for them?</i></p><p>Yes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , uh... What happened to that ?
Was that fake , or is this guy ignorant ?
Or do climate-change types believe stuff whenever it 's convenient for them ? Yes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, uh... What happened to that?
Was that fake, or is this guy ignorant?
Or do climate-change types believe stuff whenever it's convenient for them?Yes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28128615</id>
	<title>Examples ?</title>
	<author>curri</author>
	<datestamp>1243542720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Science has taught us (me?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) many things, but I haven't got that conclusion and can't recall one example; do you ? BTW, this is how we learn in science, we tamper with things we don't understand so we understand them</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Science has taught us ( me ?
: ) many things , but I have n't got that conclusion and ca n't recall one example ; do you ?
BTW , this is how we learn in science , we tamper with things we do n't understand so we understand them</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Science has taught us (me?
:) many things, but I haven't got that conclusion and can't recall one example; do you ?
BTW, this is how we learn in science, we tamper with things we don't understand so we understand them</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116399</id>
	<title>Won't work and here's why</title>
	<author>kiick</author>
	<datestamp>1243423920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the Home Owner's Association requires roofs to be black or dark gray. And if you think the it's hot now, you haven't dealt with a HOA on the warpath.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the Home Owner 's Association requires roofs to be black or dark gray .
And if you think the it 's hot now , you have n't dealt with a HOA on the warpath .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the Home Owner's Association requires roofs to be black or dark gray.
And if you think the it's hot now, you haven't dealt with a HOA on the warpath.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28118079</id>
	<title>Re:According to Rush Limbaugh ...</title>
	<author>ChrisMaple</author>
	<datestamp>1243434660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Limbaugh's stated understanding of the white paint issue is so astonishingly stupid it makes me cringe.<br>
His respect for what he thinks are good representatives of conservatism regardless of color is obvious to anyone who bothers to pay attention. His call screener, James Golden ("Bo Snurdley"), is black. So is his best substitute host, Walter E. Williams.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Limbaugh 's stated understanding of the white paint issue is so astonishingly stupid it makes me cringe .
His respect for what he thinks are good representatives of conservatism regardless of color is obvious to anyone who bothers to pay attention .
His call screener , James Golden ( " Bo Snurdley " ) , is black .
So is his best substitute host , Walter E. Williams .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Limbaugh's stated understanding of the white paint issue is so astonishingly stupid it makes me cringe.
His respect for what he thinks are good representatives of conservatism regardless of color is obvious to anyone who bothers to pay attention.
His call screener, James Golden ("Bo Snurdley"), is black.
So is his best substitute host, Walter E. Williams.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115467</id>
	<title>Great for Global warming....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243420020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and sea levels, but not for the pH balance of the oceans, which are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean\_acidification" title="wikipedia.org">acidifying as they absorb additional carbon</a> [wikipedia.org] from the atmosphere.</p><p>I remember reading about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green\_roof" title="wikipedia.org">green roofs (growing plants etc on the roof of buildings) and the effect it had on temperatures when done in urban environments</a> [wikipedia.org]:</p><p>Reduce heating (by adding mass and thermal resistance value) and cooling (by evaporative cooling) loads on a building &#226;" especially if it is glassed in so as to act as a terrarium and passive solar heat reservoir &#226;" a concentration of green roofs in an urban area can even reduce the city's average temperatures during the summer.</p><p>The <a href="http://www.architecture.uwaterloo.ca/faculty\_projects/terri/fairmont\_greenroof.html" title="uwaterloo.ca">Fairmont Hotel, here in Vancouver BC does this, growing herbs for the hotel kitchens.</a> [uwaterloo.ca]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and sea levels , but not for the pH balance of the oceans , which are acidifying as they absorb additional carbon [ wikipedia.org ] from the atmosphere.I remember reading about green roofs ( growing plants etc on the roof of buildings ) and the effect it had on temperatures when done in urban environments [ wikipedia.org ] : Reduce heating ( by adding mass and thermal resistance value ) and cooling ( by evaporative cooling ) loads on a building   " especially if it is glassed in so as to act as a terrarium and passive solar heat reservoir   " a concentration of green roofs in an urban area can even reduce the city 's average temperatures during the summer.The Fairmont Hotel , here in Vancouver BC does this , growing herbs for the hotel kitchens .
[ uwaterloo.ca ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and sea levels, but not for the pH balance of the oceans, which are acidifying as they absorb additional carbon [wikipedia.org] from the atmosphere.I remember reading about green roofs (growing plants etc on the roof of buildings) and the effect it had on temperatures when done in urban environments [wikipedia.org]:Reduce heating (by adding mass and thermal resistance value) and cooling (by evaporative cooling) loads on a building â" especially if it is glassed in so as to act as a terrarium and passive solar heat reservoir â" a concentration of green roofs in an urban area can even reduce the city's average temperatures during the summer.The Fairmont Hotel, here in Vancouver BC does this, growing herbs for the hotel kitchens.
[uwaterloo.ca]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116381</id>
	<title>News is 12 years old or more.</title>
	<author>FooAtWFU</author>
	<datestamp>1243423800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Libertarian magazines</i> (of all places) were bandying around ideas like this one in <a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/30433.html" title="reason.com">articles from <i>1997</i> </a> [reason.com].
<p>
You know what? It's nice to <b>finally</b> see "climate change" being less of a parareligious asceticism movement and more results-oriented. About time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Libertarian magazines ( of all places ) were bandying around ideas like this one in articles from 1997 [ reason.com ] .
You know what ?
It 's nice to finally see " climate change " being less of a parareligious asceticism movement and more results-oriented .
About time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Libertarian magazines (of all places) were bandying around ideas like this one in articles from 1997  [reason.com].
You know what?
It's nice to finally see "climate change" being less of a parareligious asceticism movement and more results-oriented.
About time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119723</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>bnenning</author>
	<datestamp>1243450500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depressingly, that would be far less harmful than lots of things government does. (And the private sector as well). Throwing money in a hole doesn't actually destroy wealth; the money outside the hole becomes proportionally more valuable. The only loss is the cost to operate the hole and print the money for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depressingly , that would be far less harmful than lots of things government does .
( And the private sector as well ) .
Throwing money in a hole does n't actually destroy wealth ; the money outside the hole becomes proportionally more valuable .
The only loss is the cost to operate the hole and print the money for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depressingly, that would be far less harmful than lots of things government does.
(And the private sector as well).
Throwing money in a hole doesn't actually destroy wealth; the money outside the hole becomes proportionally more valuable.
The only loss is the cost to operate the hole and print the money for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115909</id>
	<title>Paint it black!</title>
	<author>Brandybuck</author>
	<datestamp>1243421580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with painting everything white, is that very shortly we're going to have cheap and durable solar cells. The nanotech is on its way, and we will soon be paving our roads and shingling our roofs with solar power. And it will be black.</p><p>So the big question is whether we want to reflect all that energy away with white, or collect it for energy with black.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with painting everything white , is that very shortly we 're going to have cheap and durable solar cells .
The nanotech is on its way , and we will soon be paving our roads and shingling our roofs with solar power .
And it will be black.So the big question is whether we want to reflect all that energy away with white , or collect it for energy with black .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with painting everything white, is that very shortly we're going to have cheap and durable solar cells.
The nanotech is on its way, and we will soon be paving our roads and shingling our roofs with solar power.
And it will be black.So the big question is whether we want to reflect all that energy away with white, or collect it for energy with black.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115389</id>
	<title>Save the earth, eliminate your carbon footprint...</title>
	<author>GottliebPins</author>
	<datestamp>1243419720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Step 1: Dig a hole<br>
Step 2: Climb into hole<br>
Step 3: Bury yourself<br>
Step 4: Earth saved!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Step 1 : Dig a hole Step 2 : Climb into hole Step 3 : Bury yourself Step 4 : Earth saved !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Step 1: Dig a hole
Step 2: Climb into hole
Step 3: Bury yourself
Step 4: Earth saved!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28117067</id>
	<title>Re:Unfortunately...</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1243427580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe just replacing color with lighter one as part of the normal repainting cycle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe just replacing color with lighter one as part of the normal repainting cycle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe just replacing color with lighter one as part of the normal repainting cycle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28116145</id>
	<title>Re:According to Rush Limbaugh ...</title>
	<author>mrsquid0</author>
	<datestamp>1243422360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone needs to tell that caller about the difference between optical light and infrared light.  I wonder if he has ever tried to boil coffee with a flashlight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone needs to tell that caller about the difference between optical light and infrared light .
I wonder if he has ever tried to boil coffee with a flashlight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone needs to tell that caller about the difference between optical light and infrared light.
I wonder if he has ever tried to boil coffee with a flashlight.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28125701</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243533960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They aren't any different from anybody else (including you) - they believe stuff whenever it's convenient for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are n't any different from anybody else ( including you ) - they believe stuff whenever it 's convenient for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They aren't any different from anybody else (including you) - they believe stuff whenever it's convenient for them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115363</id>
	<title>Let's pave the road with solar cells.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243419660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I we could develop a cheap solar panel for paving our roads and parking lots, we could solve two problems at once.
</p><p>
According to Yahoo answers there are 61,000 square miles of pavement in the US.  Assuming about 750 watt/meter, with about 2 hours of sunlight per day, and 10\% efficiency, that works out to an average power of 1000 Gigawatts.  That should put a real dent in our power consumption.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I we could develop a cheap solar panel for paving our roads and parking lots , we could solve two problems at once .
According to Yahoo answers there are 61,000 square miles of pavement in the US .
Assuming about 750 watt/meter , with about 2 hours of sunlight per day , and 10 \ % efficiency , that works out to an average power of 1000 Gigawatts .
That should put a real dent in our power consumption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I we could develop a cheap solar panel for paving our roads and parking lots, we could solve two problems at once.
According to Yahoo answers there are 61,000 square miles of pavement in the US.
Assuming about 750 watt/meter, with about 2 hours of sunlight per day, and 10\% efficiency, that works out to an average power of 1000 Gigawatts.
That should put a real dent in our power consumption.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115975</id>
	<title>Re:Time out</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1243421760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you sure that it's detrimental?<br> <br>

In general, the warmer periods in Earth's history coincide with a vigorous growth in the biosphere.  More energy is available.  Yeah, we lose Texas. but we gain large swaths of Canada and Siberia.<br> <br>

Just remember:  Change isn't always bad.  Climate change might be bad, might be good; most likely it will be a mix.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you sure that it 's detrimental ?
In general , the warmer periods in Earth 's history coincide with a vigorous growth in the biosphere .
More energy is available .
Yeah , we lose Texas .
but we gain large swaths of Canada and Siberia .
Just remember : Change is n't always bad .
Climate change might be bad , might be good ; most likely it will be a mix .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you sure that it's detrimental?
In general, the warmer periods in Earth's history coincide with a vigorous growth in the biosphere.
More energy is available.
Yeah, we lose Texas.
but we gain large swaths of Canada and Siberia.
Just remember:  Change isn't always bad.
Climate change might be bad, might be good; most likely it will be a mix.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28115681</id>
	<title>Re:Light Pollution</title>
	<author>Volante3192</author>
	<datestamp>1243420740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Move to Flagstaff</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Move to Flagstaff</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Move to Flagstaff</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28121259</id>
	<title>Kill all the trees</title>
	<author>Zippy\_wonderslug</author>
	<datestamp>1243510560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are dark so they must be absorbing all this evil heat. Cut them all down and pave the dirt with concrete, then paint it white just to make sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are dark so they must be absorbing all this evil heat .
Cut them all down and pave the dirt with concrete , then paint it white just to make sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are dark so they must be absorbing all this evil heat.
Cut them all down and pave the dirt with concrete, then paint it white just to make sure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28121475</id>
	<title>Re:White paint or solar panels?</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1243513260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>    Or we could put solar panels on roofs and convert the sunlight, that would ordinarily be<br>converted to heat, into electricity which I am sure we could find a use for.</p></div><p>That of course will retain the heat within our local system as eventually the electrical energy will be turned back to heat - black body radiation not withstanding.</p><p>We should erect a sun shade<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or we could put solar panels on roofs and convert the sunlight , that would ordinarily beconverted to heat , into electricity which I am sure we could find a use for.That of course will retain the heat within our local system as eventually the electrical energy will be turned back to heat - black body radiation not withstanding.We should erect a sun shade ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>    Or we could put solar panels on roofs and convert the sunlight, that would ordinarily beconverted to heat, into electricity which I am sure we could find a use for.That of course will retain the heat within our local system as eventually the electrical energy will be turned back to heat - black body radiation not withstanding.We should erect a sun shade ....
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119895</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243452180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>That's right -- Use the power from the existing global infrastructure for solar energy capture to build more global infrastructure for solar energy capture; That way, you would generate a minimal amount of greenhouse gases in the manufacture of new solar panels while at the same time creating a self-sustaining positive feedback loop wherein the more energy we can capture, the more energy capture infrastructure we can build, resulting in our ability to capture more energy.</i> </p><p>Better would be to realize that energy, much like money, has a fungible nature.  It doesn't matter whether your electrocute a criminal with solar power or coal power.  The guy is just as dead and all it means is that somebody's AC got the fuel source the prison elected not to use.  Also, you can't "bootstrap" a process with a negative return.  That would be like trying to pick yourself up by pulling up the back of your shirt.  No, I am not saying solar is net energy loser.  However, if it isn't profitable, it is likely that region has a better "nut to crack": wind power, nuclear, diverting the money to insulation and double/triple-glaze windows, better/smarter lighting.  If you don't look at your region and only focus on the "tech", then you've missed the whole point of green building.  What is suitable for you?  Also, if you go out of your way to "bootstrap" by matching green products with green ambitions rather than acting economically, all you are doing is wasting money, misallocating resources, and wasting more energy transporting your green shit where it doesn't belong.  Don't tell me that some fru-fru wood costing $10/sf AND imported halfway around the world is somehow "renewable" or "green".  The green solution is at your hardware store for $1/sf.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's right -- Use the power from the existing global infrastructure for solar energy capture to build more global infrastructure for solar energy capture ; That way , you would generate a minimal amount of greenhouse gases in the manufacture of new solar panels while at the same time creating a self-sustaining positive feedback loop wherein the more energy we can capture , the more energy capture infrastructure we can build , resulting in our ability to capture more energy .
Better would be to realize that energy , much like money , has a fungible nature .
It does n't matter whether your electrocute a criminal with solar power or coal power .
The guy is just as dead and all it means is that somebody 's AC got the fuel source the prison elected not to use .
Also , you ca n't " bootstrap " a process with a negative return .
That would be like trying to pick yourself up by pulling up the back of your shirt .
No , I am not saying solar is net energy loser .
However , if it is n't profitable , it is likely that region has a better " nut to crack " : wind power , nuclear , diverting the money to insulation and double/triple-glaze windows , better/smarter lighting .
If you do n't look at your region and only focus on the " tech " , then you 've missed the whole point of green building .
What is suitable for you ?
Also , if you go out of your way to " bootstrap " by matching green products with green ambitions rather than acting economically , all you are doing is wasting money , misallocating resources , and wasting more energy transporting your green shit where it does n't belong .
Do n't tell me that some fru-fru wood costing $ 10/sf AND imported halfway around the world is somehow " renewable " or " green " .
The green solution is at your hardware store for $ 1/sf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's right -- Use the power from the existing global infrastructure for solar energy capture to build more global infrastructure for solar energy capture; That way, you would generate a minimal amount of greenhouse gases in the manufacture of new solar panels while at the same time creating a self-sustaining positive feedback loop wherein the more energy we can capture, the more energy capture infrastructure we can build, resulting in our ability to capture more energy.
Better would be to realize that energy, much like money, has a fungible nature.
It doesn't matter whether your electrocute a criminal with solar power or coal power.
The guy is just as dead and all it means is that somebody's AC got the fuel source the prison elected not to use.
Also, you can't "bootstrap" a process with a negative return.
That would be like trying to pick yourself up by pulling up the back of your shirt.
No, I am not saying solar is net energy loser.
However, if it isn't profitable, it is likely that region has a better "nut to crack": wind power, nuclear, diverting the money to insulation and double/triple-glaze windows, better/smarter lighting.
If you don't look at your region and only focus on the "tech", then you've missed the whole point of green building.
What is suitable for you?
Also, if you go out of your way to "bootstrap" by matching green products with green ambitions rather than acting economically, all you are doing is wasting money, misallocating resources, and wasting more energy transporting your green shit where it doesn't belong.
Don't tell me that some fru-fru wood costing $10/sf AND imported halfway around the world is somehow "renewable" or "green".
The green solution is at your hardware store for $1/sf.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:why roofs in hot countries are whitewashed</title>
	<author>MaXintosh</author>
	<datestamp>1243424820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm an Alaskan (and I apologize for Palin), and so as one of those people in a cold place, I can say you \_want\_ snow on your roof. Snow traps heat in, because snow is a great insulator. Snow is good. And we don't get enough insolation in the winter to pick up much heating from that, anyhow. But in the summer, you have to cool your place (it gets into the high 80s here in Fairbanks) because of how much light is constantly bombarding your home. The other day, it was 95 inside my poorly designed home.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm an Alaskan ( and I apologize for Palin ) , and so as one of those people in a cold place , I can say you \ _want \ _ snow on your roof .
Snow traps heat in , because snow is a great insulator .
Snow is good .
And we do n't get enough insolation in the winter to pick up much heating from that , anyhow .
But in the summer , you have to cool your place ( it gets into the high 80s here in Fairbanks ) because of how much light is constantly bombarding your home .
The other day , it was 95 inside my poorly designed home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm an Alaskan (and I apologize for Palin), and so as one of those people in a cold place, I can say you \_want\_ snow on your roof.
Snow traps heat in, because snow is a great insulator.
Snow is good.
And we don't get enough insolation in the winter to pick up much heating from that, anyhow.
But in the summer, you have to cool your place (it gets into the high 80s here in Fairbanks) because of how much light is constantly bombarding your home.
The other day, it was 95 inside my poorly designed home.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28119003</id>
	<title>Mr Chu is a moron</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243443180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Half of the energy from the sun is IR that we can't see anyway.  There has been roofing materials on the market for several years which still look dark to us but don't absorb much energy because they reflect the IR radiation we can't see anyway.</p><p>Doing stupid things like expecting everyone to rush out and paint their roofs white is both moronic and unecessary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Half of the energy from the sun is IR that we ca n't see anyway .
There has been roofing materials on the market for several years which still look dark to us but do n't absorb much energy because they reflect the IR radiation we ca n't see anyway.Doing stupid things like expecting everyone to rush out and paint their roofs white is both moronic and unecessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Half of the energy from the sun is IR that we can't see anyway.
There has been roofing materials on the market for several years which still look dark to us but don't absorb much energy because they reflect the IR radiation we can't see anyway.Doing stupid things like expecting everyone to rush out and paint their roofs white is both moronic and unecessary.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28125023</id>
	<title>Geez, I don't understand why this concept is hard</title>
	<author>sean.peters</author>
	<datestamp>1243531260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're simply not gaining very much heat through your roof in the winter, no matter what color it is. Even if it wasn't snow covered (which it would be much of the winter, especially in upstate NY), the angle of the sun is just too low to heat the roof much. But in the summer, when the sun is beating down from more directly overhead, your attic gets hot, which makes it hard for the interior of your house to lose heat via the roof. If you use air conditioning at all, you're better off with a light roof.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're simply not gaining very much heat through your roof in the winter , no matter what color it is .
Even if it was n't snow covered ( which it would be much of the winter , especially in upstate NY ) , the angle of the sun is just too low to heat the roof much .
But in the summer , when the sun is beating down from more directly overhead , your attic gets hot , which makes it hard for the interior of your house to lose heat via the roof .
If you use air conditioning at all , you 're better off with a light roof .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're simply not gaining very much heat through your roof in the winter, no matter what color it is.
Even if it wasn't snow covered (which it would be much of the winter, especially in upstate NY), the angle of the sun is just too low to heat the roof much.
But in the summer, when the sun is beating down from more directly overhead, your attic gets hot, which makes it hard for the interior of your house to lose heat via the roof.
If you use air conditioning at all, you're better off with a light roof.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_27_1934245.28125341</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to have a Sec of Energy actually Read the</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243532580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Amazing, isn't it?  Two to three degrees in temperature reduction in a major city just by resurfacing, repainting, and planting trees.  Yeah, sure, it's not sexy...</p></div><p>Not sexy? Tree-huggers everywhere are having wet dreams about this.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I know this is going to sound like a self-serving political statement from a hardcore Democrat...</p></div><p>No, really?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazing , is n't it ?
Two to three degrees in temperature reduction in a major city just by resurfacing , repainting , and planting trees .
Yeah , sure , it 's not sexy...Not sexy ?
Tree-huggers everywhere are having wet dreams about this.I know this is going to sound like a self-serving political statement from a hardcore Democrat...No , really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazing, isn't it?
Two to three degrees in temperature reduction in a major city just by resurfacing, repainting, and planting trees.
Yeah, sure, it's not sexy...Not sexy?
Tree-huggers everywhere are having wet dreams about this.I know this is going to sound like a self-serving political statement from a hardcore Democrat...No, really?
	</sentencetext>
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