<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_31_182226</id>
	<title>IsoHunt Told To Pull Torrent Files Offline</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1270058640000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>suraj.sun writes with this excerpt from Ars Technica: <i>"The founder of popular Bit Torrent site IsoHunt, Gary Fung, has been <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/03/isohunt-told-to-pull-torrent-files-offline-likely-to-close.ars">ordered to remove the .torrent files</a> for all infringing content &mdash; an order that could result in the site shutting down. US District Judge Stephen Wilson issued the order last week after years of back-and-forths over the legality of IsoHunt and Fung's two other sites (Torrentbox and Podtropolis). Fung claims he's still hoping for a more agreeable resolution that won't result in IsoHunt closing its doors, but for now, things aren't looking good for the torrent site."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>suraj.sun writes with this excerpt from Ars Technica : " The founder of popular Bit Torrent site IsoHunt , Gary Fung , has been ordered to remove the .torrent files for all infringing content    an order that could result in the site shutting down .
US District Judge Stephen Wilson issued the order last week after years of back-and-forths over the legality of IsoHunt and Fung 's two other sites ( Torrentbox and Podtropolis ) .
Fung claims he 's still hoping for a more agreeable resolution that wo n't result in IsoHunt closing its doors , but for now , things are n't looking good for the torrent site .
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<sentencetext>suraj.sun writes with this excerpt from Ars Technica: "The founder of popular Bit Torrent site IsoHunt, Gary Fung, has been ordered to remove the .torrent files for all infringing content — an order that could result in the site shutting down.
US District Judge Stephen Wilson issued the order last week after years of back-and-forths over the legality of IsoHunt and Fung's two other sites (Torrentbox and Podtropolis).
Fung claims he's still hoping for a more agreeable resolution that won't result in IsoHunt closing its doors, but for now, things aren't looking good for the torrent site.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690916</id>
	<title>Re:they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>cpghost</author>
	<datestamp>1270063680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often, we would have already moved to more decentralized and anonymous P2P technologies, and if not, such a (predictable) move would just accelerate this migration. And besides, dictatorships crack down heavily on their internet users, but these users still try to get past censorship despite very heavy risks for their own lives. What makes you think that western governments' cracking down on filesharers will have any more effect than what China, Iran et. al. do to their people? Filesharing will go on, it will just be a little bit more underground and not so open as it is today.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often , we would have already moved to more decentralized and anonymous P2P technologies , and if not , such a ( predictable ) move would just accelerate this migration .
And besides , dictatorships crack down heavily on their internet users , but these users still try to get past censorship despite very heavy risks for their own lives .
What makes you think that western governments ' cracking down on filesharers will have any more effect than what China , Iran et .
al. do to their people ?
Filesharing will go on , it will just be a little bit more underground and not so open as it is today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often, we would have already moved to more decentralized and anonymous P2P technologies, and if not, such a (predictable) move would just accelerate this migration.
And besides, dictatorships crack down heavily on their internet users, but these users still try to get past censorship despite very heavy risks for their own lives.
What makes you think that western governments' cracking down on filesharers will have any more effect than what China, Iran et.
al. do to their people?
Filesharing will go on, it will just be a little bit more underground and not so open as it is today.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690726</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31692732</id>
	<title>Re:they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>krapski</author>
	<datestamp>1270027260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>who are admins? and who are users? or wait a minute, maybe both are one and the same? what shall we do then? what shall we do when the law applies to everyone except the {empty set}?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>who are admins ?
and who are users ?
or wait a minute , maybe both are one and the same ?
what shall we do then ?
what shall we do when the law applies to everyone except the { empty set } ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>who are admins?
and who are users?
or wait a minute, maybe both are one and the same?
what shall we do then?
what shall we do when the law applies to everyone except the {empty set}?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690726</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31694814</id>
	<title>Re:They should more to a more civilized country</title>
	<author>sixsixtysix</author>
	<datestamp>1270037160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>not just intellectual. the whole system reeks of feudalism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>not just intellectual .
the whole system reeks of feudalism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not just intellectual.
the whole system reeks of feudalism.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690742</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690960</id>
	<title>Re:It's stupid really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270063800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup. And a murderer is just a service connecting the bullet manufacturer to the victim. It's the outcome that matters, not all of this legal gymnastics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup .
And a murderer is just a service connecting the bullet manufacturer to the victim .
It 's the outcome that matters , not all of this legal gymnastics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup.
And a murderer is just a service connecting the bullet manufacturer to the victim.
It's the outcome that matters, not all of this legal gymnastics.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690722</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691036</id>
	<title>Time to move to decentralized torrents?</title>
	<author>acheron12</author>
	<datestamp>1270064100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It seems there's already software (<a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/10/28/1722214.shtml" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Tribler</a> [slashdot.org]) that bypasses the need for host sites.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems there 's already software ( Tribler [ slashdot.org ] ) that bypasses the need for host sites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems there's already software (Tribler [slashdot.org]) that bypasses the need for host sites.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690974</id>
	<title>What I want to know</title>
	<author>Aranykai</author>
	<datestamp>1270063860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I realize Canada is a party to the Berne Convention, but what does a US Judge have to do with a site run entirely in Canada?</p><p>On a side note, the original judgement against them was the categorized system in which users access torrents, specifically that it had sections for movies, music and such that could be browsed without a search input. They have been working on a "lite" version of the site that removes all the functionality that the MPAA complained about and are hoping to present it as a way to stay in operation and still satisfy the courts.</p><p><a href="http://isohunt.com/lite/" title="isohunt.com">http://isohunt.com/lite/</a> [isohunt.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I realize Canada is a party to the Berne Convention , but what does a US Judge have to do with a site run entirely in Canada ? On a side note , the original judgement against them was the categorized system in which users access torrents , specifically that it had sections for movies , music and such that could be browsed without a search input .
They have been working on a " lite " version of the site that removes all the functionality that the MPAA complained about and are hoping to present it as a way to stay in operation and still satisfy the courts.http : //isohunt.com/lite/ [ isohunt.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I realize Canada is a party to the Berne Convention, but what does a US Judge have to do with a site run entirely in Canada?On a side note, the original judgement against them was the categorized system in which users access torrents, specifically that it had sections for movies, music and such that could be browsed without a search input.
They have been working on a "lite" version of the site that removes all the functionality that the MPAA complained about and are hoping to present it as a way to stay in operation and still satisfy the courts.http://isohunt.com/lite/ [isohunt.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691944</id>
	<title>Re:they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270067700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's very much an endless river, in that if they push hard enough the Revolution will be upon us....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's very much an endless river , in that if they push hard enough the Revolution will be upon us... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's very much an endless river, in that if they push hard enough the Revolution will be upon us....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690726</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31692620</id>
	<title>Re:The war on torrents...</title>
	<author>cdrguru</author>
	<datestamp>1270026900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iTunes is a sop to over-30 folks that don't understand downloading.  It commands maybe 2\% of the music downloads.  While it is the largest retailer of music where money is collected, it pales in comparison to the free downloads that are going on.</p><p>You cannot make a compelling case for paying when the alternative is free.  You can make it easy for older folks to pay when the alternative is learning about their computer, learning about P2P software and learning about the Internet.  As these folks age-out of the user community, iTunes dies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iTunes is a sop to over-30 folks that do n't understand downloading .
It commands maybe 2 \ % of the music downloads .
While it is the largest retailer of music where money is collected , it pales in comparison to the free downloads that are going on.You can not make a compelling case for paying when the alternative is free .
You can make it easy for older folks to pay when the alternative is learning about their computer , learning about P2P software and learning about the Internet .
As these folks age-out of the user community , iTunes dies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iTunes is a sop to over-30 folks that don't understand downloading.
It commands maybe 2\% of the music downloads.
While it is the largest retailer of music where money is collected, it pales in comparison to the free downloads that are going on.You cannot make a compelling case for paying when the alternative is free.
You can make it easy for older folks to pay when the alternative is learning about their computer, learning about P2P software and learning about the Internet.
As these folks age-out of the user community, iTunes dies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690800</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691184</id>
	<title>Re:Host elsewhere?</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1270064700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I mean, you use the site to search for the desired torrent, and then click to download the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent file - it would be easy to host the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent files on a separate server, seperate site, or by a separate company altogether.<br>Would this get around the ruling?</i> </p><p>"Piercing the corporate veil" - establishing the connections between A, B and C - is well worth the effort for the payoff it delivers in court.</p><p>The prosecutor has all the elements of a criminal conspiracy in his hand.</p><p>The felony charge. Hard time.</p><p>He'll expose a card or two to your partners in the game - and they <b>will</b> cut a deal and sell you out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , you use the site to search for the desired torrent , and then click to download the .torrent file - it would be easy to host the .torrent files on a separate server , seperate site , or by a separate company altogether.Would this get around the ruling ?
" Piercing the corporate veil " - establishing the connections between A , B and C - is well worth the effort for the payoff it delivers in court.The prosecutor has all the elements of a criminal conspiracy in his hand.The felony charge .
Hard time.He 'll expose a card or two to your partners in the game - and they will cut a deal and sell you out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, you use the site to search for the desired torrent, and then click to download the .torrent file - it would be easy to host the .torrent files on a separate server, seperate site, or by a separate company altogether.Would this get around the ruling?
"Piercing the corporate veil" - establishing the connections between A, B and C - is well worth the effort for the payoff it delivers in court.The prosecutor has all the elements of a criminal conspiracy in his hand.The felony charge.
Hard time.He'll expose a card or two to your partners in the game - and they will cut a deal and sell you out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690686</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690676</id>
	<title>they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>krapski</author>
	<datestamp>1270062720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pirate sites will go, and others will replace them, but there is a constant: like death and taxes, piracy will go on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pirate sites will go , and others will replace them , but there is a constant : like death and taxes , piracy will go on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pirate sites will go, and others will replace them, but there is a constant: like death and taxes, piracy will go on.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31693158</id>
	<title>Two words of advice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270028940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Move abroad!<br>(not yourselves psychically, but the website business and hide address of domain owner, preferably use non-US registrar).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Move abroad !
( not yourselves psychically , but the website business and hide address of domain owner , preferably use non-US registrar ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Move abroad!
(not yourselves psychically, but the website business and hide address of domain owner, preferably use non-US registrar).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690924</id>
	<title>A more agreeable resolution?</title>
	<author>SOdhner</author>
	<datestamp>1270063680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Fung claims he's still hoping for a more agreeable resolution that won't result in IsoHunt closing its doors,"<br> <br>Hah!  That's a joke, right?  More agreeable that having to remove infringing content?  The only thing more agreeable than that is if he removes it all AND pays massive fines.  Oh... wait... more agreeable to *him*?<br> <br>That's equally funny.  For that to be a remote possibility someone in authority would have to be okay with him facilitating the transfer of copywrighted material and there's just about zero chance of that happening.  Let it go.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Fung claims he 's still hoping for a more agreeable resolution that wo n't result in IsoHunt closing its doors , " Hah !
That 's a joke , right ?
More agreeable that having to remove infringing content ?
The only thing more agreeable than that is if he removes it all AND pays massive fines .
Oh... wait... more agreeable to * him * ?
That 's equally funny .
For that to be a remote possibility someone in authority would have to be okay with him facilitating the transfer of copywrighted material and there 's just about zero chance of that happening .
Let it go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Fung claims he's still hoping for a more agreeable resolution that won't result in IsoHunt closing its doors," Hah!
That's a joke, right?
More agreeable that having to remove infringing content?
The only thing more agreeable than that is if he removes it all AND pays massive fines.
Oh... wait... more agreeable to *him*?
That's equally funny.
For that to be a remote possibility someone in authority would have to be okay with him facilitating the transfer of copywrighted material and there's just about zero chance of that happening.
Let it go.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31697258</id>
	<title>Re:Keep dreaming.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270055640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LOL - Of course, but if you listed it, you'd be breaking the first rule.<br>Users Should Emphatically Not Ever Tell...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL - Of course , but if you listed it , you 'd be breaking the first rule.Users Should Emphatically Not Ever Tell... ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL - Of course, but if you listed it, you'd be breaking the first rule.Users Should Emphatically Not Ever Tell... ;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691114</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31693370</id>
	<title>Re:They should more to a more civilized country</title>
	<author>Knara</author>
	<datestamp>1270029720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Heh, every post that defends copyright in this particular thread is down-modded, and every one that says "zomg copyright is bad" is upmodded.  Brilliant!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh , every post that defends copyright in this particular thread is down-modded , and every one that says " zomg copyright is bad " is upmodded .
Brilliant !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh, every post that defends copyright in this particular thread is down-modded, and every one that says "zomg copyright is bad" is upmodded.
Brilliant!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690742</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690726</id>
	<title>Re:they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270062900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pirate sites will go, and others will replace them, but there is a constant: like death and taxes, piracy will go on.</p></div><p>Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often, I'm sure the amount of people wanting to run such a site decreases dramatically. It's not an endless river.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pirate sites will go , and others will replace them , but there is a constant : like death and taxes , piracy will go on.Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often , I 'm sure the amount of people wanting to run such a site decreases dramatically .
It 's not an endless river .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pirate sites will go, and others will replace them, but there is a constant: like death and taxes, piracy will go on.Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often, I'm sure the amount of people wanting to run such a site decreases dramatically.
It's not an endless river.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690676</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31693826</id>
	<title>Re:Visit your local library</title>
	<author>SoTerrified</author>
	<datestamp>1270032060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Most cities have these buildings full of books and even media, which they seem perfectly happy to loan out for free.  I'm not entirely sure what their business model is, but they've been doing this for as long as I can remember, so it appears viable, strange though that may seem.  It might be time to rediscover them.</p></div><p>Until the Dewey Decimal System is identified as "An indexer providing links to materials under copyright" and gets shut down by the courts.  Oh sure, Melvil Dewey might try to claim he was only trying to provide a way for people to find material, but the links in the Dewey Decimal System clearly link to material he doesn't own, and that he has no right to make available.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most cities have these buildings full of books and even media , which they seem perfectly happy to loan out for free .
I 'm not entirely sure what their business model is , but they 've been doing this for as long as I can remember , so it appears viable , strange though that may seem .
It might be time to rediscover them.Until the Dewey Decimal System is identified as " An indexer providing links to materials under copyright " and gets shut down by the courts .
Oh sure , Melvil Dewey might try to claim he was only trying to provide a way for people to find material , but the links in the Dewey Decimal System clearly link to material he does n't own , and that he has no right to make available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most cities have these buildings full of books and even media, which they seem perfectly happy to loan out for free.
I'm not entirely sure what their business model is, but they've been doing this for as long as I can remember, so it appears viable, strange though that may seem.
It might be time to rediscover them.Until the Dewey Decimal System is identified as "An indexer providing links to materials under copyright" and gets shut down by the courts.
Oh sure, Melvil Dewey might try to claim he was only trying to provide a way for people to find material, but the links in the Dewey Decimal System clearly link to material he doesn't own, and that he has no right to make available.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691790</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690816</id>
	<title>YAAAAYYYYY.....What a bunch of jerks.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270063260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know that I'm not supposed to say that they were </p><p><div class="quote"><p> stealing  but that's sure what it felt like. They should feel lucky that the judge didn't levy billions in fines. Good riddance to bad rubbish.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know that I 'm not supposed to say that they were stealing but that 's sure what it felt like .
They should feel lucky that the judge did n't levy billions in fines .
Good riddance to bad rubbish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know that I'm not supposed to say that they were  stealing  but that's sure what it felt like.
They should feel lucky that the judge didn't levy billions in fines.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31695292</id>
	<title>Re:they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270039440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Much noise has been made about cryptographic trust relationships, but the fact that none has ever materialized in P2P over the last decade [...]</p><p>ahem... Freenet?</p><p>It's not exactly mainstream, but it (and/or similar systems) may start to gain critical mass if this stuff escalates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Much noise has been made about cryptographic trust relationships , but the fact that none has ever materialized in P2P over the last decade [ ... ] ahem... Freenet ? It 's not exactly mainstream , but it ( and/or similar systems ) may start to gain critical mass if this stuff escalates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Much noise has been made about cryptographic trust relationships, but the fact that none has ever materialized in P2P over the last decade [...]ahem... Freenet?It's not exactly mainstream, but it (and/or similar systems) may start to gain critical mass if this stuff escalates.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31694296</id>
	<title>Re:Visit your local library</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270034340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you rip a DVD you borrowed from the library, is the copy of that DVD distributable throughout your community because it was publicly available anyway?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you rip a DVD you borrowed from the library , is the copy of that DVD distributable throughout your community because it was publicly available anyway ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you rip a DVD you borrowed from the library, is the copy of that DVD distributable throughout your community because it was publicly available anyway?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690874</id>
	<title>Key excerpts from TFA</title>
	<author>emurphy42</author>
	<datestamp>1270063440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The movie studios had brought in expert witnesses stating that a statistical sampling of the content and server logs showed that nearly all of the content infringed copyrights, and about half of the downloads were made within the US. Fung dismissed this as "junk science" but did not present any sort of evidence showing that this wasn't a valid approach.</p></div>
</blockquote><blockquote><div><p>Fung previously tried to argue that his sites were just another search engine that just happened to pick up copyrighted content, but the studios countered with evidence that his search code was specifically tuned to find copyrighted material.</p></div>
</blockquote><blockquote><div><p>it would be nearly impossible for Fung to actively investigate every single file to see whether it's legal or not. Fung believes this goes outside of the DMCA and that the MPAA should provide a list of links to files that it wants taken down instead.</p></div>
</blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The movie studios had brought in expert witnesses stating that a statistical sampling of the content and server logs showed that nearly all of the content infringed copyrights , and about half of the downloads were made within the US .
Fung dismissed this as " junk science " but did not present any sort of evidence showing that this was n't a valid approach .
Fung previously tried to argue that his sites were just another search engine that just happened to pick up copyrighted content , but the studios countered with evidence that his search code was specifically tuned to find copyrighted material .
it would be nearly impossible for Fung to actively investigate every single file to see whether it 's legal or not .
Fung believes this goes outside of the DMCA and that the MPAA should provide a list of links to files that it wants taken down instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The movie studios had brought in expert witnesses stating that a statistical sampling of the content and server logs showed that nearly all of the content infringed copyrights, and about half of the downloads were made within the US.
Fung dismissed this as "junk science" but did not present any sort of evidence showing that this wasn't a valid approach.
Fung previously tried to argue that his sites were just another search engine that just happened to pick up copyrighted content, but the studios countered with evidence that his search code was specifically tuned to find copyrighted material.
it would be nearly impossible for Fung to actively investigate every single file to see whether it's legal or not.
Fung believes this goes outside of the DMCA and that the MPAA should provide a list of links to files that it wants taken down instead.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691364</id>
	<title>Re:You mess with the bull, you get the horns</title>
	<author>Nadaka</author>
	<datestamp>1270065420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And when copyright terms are extended, it is also an attack on centuries of legal thought. The sole purpose of copyright is to enrich the public domain by promoting the publishing of art and sciences by granting a limited monopoly on distribution. Extending the term of that copyright is a direct attack on that sole purpose, while "piracy" is merely an attack on the method of promotion.</p><p>Copyright law is a misnomer, it is really copyright restriction. We all have a right to copy anything we want, this is a natural right inherent in our humanity. It is as natural as our freedom to think, speak, walk or defend ourselves. Copyright law restricts that right temporarily, so that in time we will have a richer and deeper culture to share in the future. The extension of copyright for profit is theft of the highest order, it is stealing from every man, woman and child in existence and leaves humanity as a whole poorer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And when copyright terms are extended , it is also an attack on centuries of legal thought .
The sole purpose of copyright is to enrich the public domain by promoting the publishing of art and sciences by granting a limited monopoly on distribution .
Extending the term of that copyright is a direct attack on that sole purpose , while " piracy " is merely an attack on the method of promotion.Copyright law is a misnomer , it is really copyright restriction .
We all have a right to copy anything we want , this is a natural right inherent in our humanity .
It is as natural as our freedom to think , speak , walk or defend ourselves .
Copyright law restricts that right temporarily , so that in time we will have a richer and deeper culture to share in the future .
The extension of copyright for profit is theft of the highest order , it is stealing from every man , woman and child in existence and leaves humanity as a whole poorer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And when copyright terms are extended, it is also an attack on centuries of legal thought.
The sole purpose of copyright is to enrich the public domain by promoting the publishing of art and sciences by granting a limited monopoly on distribution.
Extending the term of that copyright is a direct attack on that sole purpose, while "piracy" is merely an attack on the method of promotion.Copyright law is a misnomer, it is really copyright restriction.
We all have a right to copy anything we want, this is a natural right inherent in our humanity.
It is as natural as our freedom to think, speak, walk or defend ourselves.
Copyright law restricts that right temporarily, so that in time we will have a richer and deeper culture to share in the future.
The extension of copyright for profit is theft of the highest order, it is stealing from every man, woman and child in existence and leaves humanity as a whole poorer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690688</id>
	<title>Eric</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270062780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Piratebay is very much alive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Piratebay is very much alive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Piratebay is very much alive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690922</id>
	<title>And they'll just move the .torrents</title>
	<author>JorDan Clock</author>
	<datestamp>1270063680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since IsoHunt is mainly a search engine of torrents, they could just crawl the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent hosts and instead of saving a local copy like they do now, they'll just provide a link to the host. I don't see how this will change things much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since IsoHunt is mainly a search engine of torrents , they could just crawl the .torrent hosts and instead of saving a local copy like they do now , they 'll just provide a link to the host .
I do n't see how this will change things much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since IsoHunt is mainly a search engine of torrents, they could just crawl the .torrent hosts and instead of saving a local copy like they do now, they'll just provide a link to the host.
I don't see how this will change things much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690620</id>
	<title>That's easy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270062480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just rename them to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torren\_<br>
It's enough to fool Outlook when I need to send executables.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just rename them to .torren \ _ It 's enough to fool Outlook when I need to send executables .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just rename them to .torren\_
It's enough to fool Outlook when I need to send executables.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690680</id>
	<title>You mess with the bull, you get the horns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270062780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the Song Of Solomon, the author tells the story of how he met his lover. He was walking one day along a rough road when ahead in the distance he saw a shimmering light. Strangely, his head grew heavy and he felt that he had to stop and rest for a while. When he entered the courtyard, his lover was laying in the middle and there were men all around stabbing her with knives. He took her up in his arms and brought her to safety, and she, as is written in Leviticus, became betrothed to him.</p><p>If there weren't laws describing the precise course of action for the author and his lover, there is no guarantee that his good deed would be repaid in full. When people start infringing copyrights, they are attacking centuries of legal thought. These laws exist for a reason. For those that follow them, especially on the content creation side, the laws provide a great benefit. For those that break the law, well, things aren't quite so rosy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the Song Of Solomon , the author tells the story of how he met his lover .
He was walking one day along a rough road when ahead in the distance he saw a shimmering light .
Strangely , his head grew heavy and he felt that he had to stop and rest for a while .
When he entered the courtyard , his lover was laying in the middle and there were men all around stabbing her with knives .
He took her up in his arms and brought her to safety , and she , as is written in Leviticus , became betrothed to him.If there were n't laws describing the precise course of action for the author and his lover , there is no guarantee that his good deed would be repaid in full .
When people start infringing copyrights , they are attacking centuries of legal thought .
These laws exist for a reason .
For those that follow them , especially on the content creation side , the laws provide a great benefit .
For those that break the law , well , things are n't quite so rosy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the Song Of Solomon, the author tells the story of how he met his lover.
He was walking one day along a rough road when ahead in the distance he saw a shimmering light.
Strangely, his head grew heavy and he felt that he had to stop and rest for a while.
When he entered the courtyard, his lover was laying in the middle and there were men all around stabbing her with knives.
He took her up in his arms and brought her to safety, and she, as is written in Leviticus, became betrothed to him.If there weren't laws describing the precise course of action for the author and his lover, there is no guarantee that his good deed would be repaid in full.
When people start infringing copyrights, they are attacking centuries of legal thought.
These laws exist for a reason.
For those that follow them, especially on the content creation side, the laws provide a great benefit.
For those that break the law, well, things aren't quite so rosy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691064</id>
	<title>Re:You mess with the bull, you get the horns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270064160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In the Song Of Solomon, the author tells the story of how he met his lover. He was walking one day along a rough road when ahead in the distance he saw a shimmering light. Strangely, his head grew heavy and he felt that he had to stop and rest for a while. When he entered the courtyard, his lover was laying in the middle and there were men all around stabbing her with knives. He took her up in his arms and brought her to safety, and she, as is written in Leviticus, became betrothed to him.</p><p>If there weren't laws describing the precise course of action for the author and his lover, there is no guarantee that his good deed would be repaid in full. When people start infringing copyrights, they are attacking centuries of legal thought. These laws exist for a reason. For those that follow them, especially on the content creation side, the laws provide a great benefit. For those that break the law, well, things aren't quite so rosy.</p></div><p>Slashdot PROTIP: Lay off the LSD. <br> <br>

Musician PROTIP: Use more LSD!  <br> <br>

You're walking a deep trough between the two and that line is uselessness.  So double your dosage and pick up a guitar or don't use at all.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the Song Of Solomon , the author tells the story of how he met his lover .
He was walking one day along a rough road when ahead in the distance he saw a shimmering light .
Strangely , his head grew heavy and he felt that he had to stop and rest for a while .
When he entered the courtyard , his lover was laying in the middle and there were men all around stabbing her with knives .
He took her up in his arms and brought her to safety , and she , as is written in Leviticus , became betrothed to him.If there were n't laws describing the precise course of action for the author and his lover , there is no guarantee that his good deed would be repaid in full .
When people start infringing copyrights , they are attacking centuries of legal thought .
These laws exist for a reason .
For those that follow them , especially on the content creation side , the laws provide a great benefit .
For those that break the law , well , things are n't quite so rosy.Slashdot PROTIP : Lay off the LSD .
Musician PROTIP : Use more LSD !
You 're walking a deep trough between the two and that line is uselessness .
So double your dosage and pick up a guitar or do n't use at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the Song Of Solomon, the author tells the story of how he met his lover.
He was walking one day along a rough road when ahead in the distance he saw a shimmering light.
Strangely, his head grew heavy and he felt that he had to stop and rest for a while.
When he entered the courtyard, his lover was laying in the middle and there were men all around stabbing her with knives.
He took her up in his arms and brought her to safety, and she, as is written in Leviticus, became betrothed to him.If there weren't laws describing the precise course of action for the author and his lover, there is no guarantee that his good deed would be repaid in full.
When people start infringing copyrights, they are attacking centuries of legal thought.
These laws exist for a reason.
For those that follow them, especially on the content creation side, the laws provide a great benefit.
For those that break the law, well, things aren't quite so rosy.Slashdot PROTIP: Lay off the LSD.
Musician PROTIP: Use more LSD!
You're walking a deep trough between the two and that line is uselessness.
So double your dosage and pick up a guitar or don't use at all.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690870</id>
	<title>So what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270063440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't like isohunt (for reasons I can't remember) and I think copyright violations are wrong in some/most cases (I'm in the 10-20 year copyright crowd), but why would isohunt or anyone else who gets hit by judgements care much? It doesn't take too many hours to move the site to some other country. And as a former abuse-handler of a large webhost, I know that simply hosting whatever you're doing in a different country that the people who wants to shut you down will make it very hard for them (at least in countries not ruled by the RIAA or MPAA.) <br> <br>(as abuse-handler, the best part of my job was to tell all morons sending me DMCA-notices to stuff it, since the DMCA is a US-thing and if they had a valid complaint to make they would say so instead of using silly DMCA-mails to abuse@xxx.com).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't like isohunt ( for reasons I ca n't remember ) and I think copyright violations are wrong in some/most cases ( I 'm in the 10-20 year copyright crowd ) , but why would isohunt or anyone else who gets hit by judgements care much ?
It does n't take too many hours to move the site to some other country .
And as a former abuse-handler of a large webhost , I know that simply hosting whatever you 're doing in a different country that the people who wants to shut you down will make it very hard for them ( at least in countries not ruled by the RIAA or MPAA .
) ( as abuse-handler , the best part of my job was to tell all morons sending me DMCA-notices to stuff it , since the DMCA is a US-thing and if they had a valid complaint to make they would say so instead of using silly DMCA-mails to abuse @ xxx.com ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't like isohunt (for reasons I can't remember) and I think copyright violations are wrong in some/most cases (I'm in the 10-20 year copyright crowd), but why would isohunt or anyone else who gets hit by judgements care much?
It doesn't take too many hours to move the site to some other country.
And as a former abuse-handler of a large webhost, I know that simply hosting whatever you're doing in a different country that the people who wants to shut you down will make it very hard for them (at least in countries not ruled by the RIAA or MPAA.
)  (as abuse-handler, the best part of my job was to tell all morons sending me DMCA-notices to stuff it, since the DMCA is a US-thing and if they had a valid complaint to make they would say so instead of using silly DMCA-mails to abuse@xxx.com).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31693974</id>
	<title>Cultural heritage</title>
	<author>nfc\_Death</author>
	<datestamp>1270032840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is heart wrenching to see where this is going. We are selling our future cultural heritage to entities which have no desire to preserve it, only to control it till it no longer makes them money and then assault those who attempt to enjoy it after that.
<br>
The single reason our species has made it this far is through the free exchange of ideas, art, theory, process, and emotion. To see that we have denied our history and choose to err on the side of greed is terrible indeed.
<br>
To those naysayers out there that believe this series of events in the last ten years, regarding copyright and patent, is healthy for our society; Really? You truly and honestly believe this is for the betterment of our species? Really?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is heart wrenching to see where this is going .
We are selling our future cultural heritage to entities which have no desire to preserve it , only to control it till it no longer makes them money and then assault those who attempt to enjoy it after that .
The single reason our species has made it this far is through the free exchange of ideas , art , theory , process , and emotion .
To see that we have denied our history and choose to err on the side of greed is terrible indeed .
To those naysayers out there that believe this series of events in the last ten years , regarding copyright and patent , is healthy for our society ; Really ?
You truly and honestly believe this is for the betterment of our species ?
Really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is heart wrenching to see where this is going.
We are selling our future cultural heritage to entities which have no desire to preserve it, only to control it till it no longer makes them money and then assault those who attempt to enjoy it after that.
The single reason our species has made it this far is through the free exchange of ideas, art, theory, process, and emotion.
To see that we have denied our history and choose to err on the side of greed is terrible indeed.
To those naysayers out there that believe this series of events in the last ten years, regarding copyright and patent, is healthy for our society; Really?
You truly and honestly believe this is for the betterment of our species?
Really?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31692608</id>
	<title>Re:they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270026900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think most people would equate file "sharing" with free speech, but that is beside the point.  If it goes underground and is not so open, do you not consider that a victory for RIAA/MPAA/etc?  Obviously they can't stop everybody, but they can stop some people and make it more difficult for others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think most people would equate file " sharing " with free speech , but that is beside the point .
If it goes underground and is not so open , do you not consider that a victory for RIAA/MPAA/etc ?
Obviously they ca n't stop everybody , but they can stop some people and make it more difficult for others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think most people would equate file "sharing" with free speech, but that is beside the point.
If it goes underground and is not so open, do you not consider that a victory for RIAA/MPAA/etc?
Obviously they can't stop everybody, but they can stop some people and make it more difficult for others.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690562</id>
	<title>I...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270062300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fucked your dead great grandmother!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fucked your dead great grandmother ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fucked your dead great grandmother!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691304</id>
	<title>Re:Keep dreaming.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270065180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What, Napster? No? Hmm.. How about the mule? No?  I wonder what it is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What , Napster ?
No ? Hmm.. How about the mule ?
No ? I wonder what it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What, Napster?
No? Hmm.. How about the mule?
No?  I wonder what it is.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691114</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690686</id>
	<title>Host elsewhere?</title>
	<author>Chelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1270062780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean, you use the site to search for the desired torrent, and then click to download the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent file - it would be easy to host the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent files on a separate server, seperate site, or by a separate company altogether.<p>

Would this get around the ruling?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , you use the site to search for the desired torrent , and then click to download the .torrent file - it would be easy to host the .torrent files on a separate server , seperate site , or by a separate company altogether .
Would this get around the ruling ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, you use the site to search for the desired torrent, and then click to download the .torrent file - it would be easy to host the .torrent files on a separate server, seperate site, or by a separate company altogether.
Would this get around the ruling?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690886</id>
	<title>Re:It's stupid really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270063500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I go home tonight, can I log on to MSN Messager and expect it to be painfully easy to download all of this week's Xbox 360 releases with just a few clicks?

<br> <br>I doubt you could prove without a doubt that these sites were created exclusively for software piracy, but this is one case in which I think the intent is winning out over the word of the law. "Stop breaking the law, asshole!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I go home tonight , can I log on to MSN Messager and expect it to be painfully easy to download all of this week 's Xbox 360 releases with just a few clicks ?
I doubt you could prove without a doubt that these sites were created exclusively for software piracy , but this is one case in which I think the intent is winning out over the word of the law .
" Stop breaking the law , asshole !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I go home tonight, can I log on to MSN Messager and expect it to be painfully easy to download all of this week's Xbox 360 releases with just a few clicks?
I doubt you could prove without a doubt that these sites were created exclusively for software piracy, but this is one case in which I think the intent is winning out over the word of the law.
"Stop breaking the law, asshole!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691656</id>
	<title>Re:they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1270066560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Filesharing will go on, it will just be a little bit more underground and not so open as it is today</i> </p><p>The underground is chill, damp, slow and lonely. You are marginalized in a space you share with the perverts and wackos. When you come up for air you are tainted by the smell of the sewers.</p><p>The studios don't need to kill P2P - they only need strip away its veneer of convenience, respectablity and safety.</p><p>The geek seems quite capable of doing that job for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Filesharing will go on , it will just be a little bit more underground and not so open as it is today The underground is chill , damp , slow and lonely .
You are marginalized in a space you share with the perverts and wackos .
When you come up for air you are tainted by the smell of the sewers.The studios do n't need to kill P2P - they only need strip away its veneer of convenience , respectablity and safety.The geek seems quite capable of doing that job for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Filesharing will go on, it will just be a little bit more underground and not so open as it is today The underground is chill, damp, slow and lonely.
You are marginalized in a space you share with the perverts and wackos.
When you come up for air you are tainted by the smell of the sewers.The studios don't need to kill P2P - they only need strip away its veneer of convenience, respectablity and safety.The geek seems quite capable of doing that job for them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31692100</id>
	<title>Already moved...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270068300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isohunt's creators and community have already moved on to other things. It only takes a small look at the news section on IsoHunt to see where. Whether these new sites are more effective for P2P users or easier to shut down, only time will tell, but the move has already happened and the MPAA is screwed either way.</p><p>The TPB is also a shining example of the amazing waste of legal and human resources: all that legalese and court BS, but it's still up and running and more popular than ever before!</p><p>What this is really about: from the other article up today on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. and in these disgusting people's own words (I equate them with that SCO a**hole):  We're creating a revenue stream and monetizing the equivalent of an alternative distribution channel,' says Jeffrey Weaver, another lawyer at the firm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Isohunt 's creators and community have already moved on to other things .
It only takes a small look at the news section on IsoHunt to see where .
Whether these new sites are more effective for P2P users or easier to shut down , only time will tell , but the move has already happened and the MPAA is screwed either way.The TPB is also a shining example of the amazing waste of legal and human resources : all that legalese and court BS , but it 's still up and running and more popular than ever before ! What this is really about : from the other article up today on / .
and in these disgusting people 's own words ( I equate them with that SCO a * * hole ) : We 're creating a revenue stream and monetizing the equivalent of an alternative distribution channel, ' says Jeffrey Weaver , another lawyer at the firm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isohunt's creators and community have already moved on to other things.
It only takes a small look at the news section on IsoHunt to see where.
Whether these new sites are more effective for P2P users or easier to shut down, only time will tell, but the move has already happened and the MPAA is screwed either way.The TPB is also a shining example of the amazing waste of legal and human resources: all that legalese and court BS, but it's still up and running and more popular than ever before!What this is really about: from the other article up today on /.
and in these disgusting people's own words (I equate them with that SCO a**hole):  We're creating a revenue stream and monetizing the equivalent of an alternative distribution channel,' says Jeffrey Weaver, another lawyer at the firm.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691114</id>
	<title>Keep dreaming.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270064460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It's not an endless river.</i>
<br>
<br>
Yes, yes it is.  As far back as I can recall -- and that is a long way -- there has always been piracy.   To think or even suggest that you can "dent" or outright stop piracy is just wishful thinking.   It always has been.
<br>
<br>
The method will differ, that's all.  Goodbye torrents, hello ?????
<br>
<br>
The only reason this seems odd is because over the last 10 years, the general public has gotten into piracy in a big way.  If that hadn't have happened and it was much more "low key" -- we wouldn't be having this discussion and you, most likely, would not even realize piracy was taking place.   Now we have torrents.  Before that we had http.  Before that we had SFTP.  Before that we had FTP.  Before that we had Zmodem on BBS's.  Before that, we had X/Ymodem.  And before that we had sneakernet.
<br>
<br>
The evolution continues...
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<br>
(sidenote:  Remember rule #1.  I purposely have a glaring oversight in the list above.  Can you spot it?  LOL)</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not an endless river .
Yes , yes it is .
As far back as I can recall -- and that is a long way -- there has always been piracy .
To think or even suggest that you can " dent " or outright stop piracy is just wishful thinking .
It always has been .
The method will differ , that 's all .
Goodbye torrents , hello ? ? ? ? ?
The only reason this seems odd is because over the last 10 years , the general public has gotten into piracy in a big way .
If that had n't have happened and it was much more " low key " -- we would n't be having this discussion and you , most likely , would not even realize piracy was taking place .
Now we have torrents .
Before that we had http .
Before that we had SFTP .
Before that we had FTP .
Before that we had Zmodem on BBS 's .
Before that , we had X/Ymodem .
And before that we had sneakernet .
The evolution continues.. . ( sidenote : Remember rule # 1 .
I purposely have a glaring oversight in the list above .
Can you spot it ?
LOL )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not an endless river.
Yes, yes it is.
As far back as I can recall -- and that is a long way -- there has always been piracy.
To think or even suggest that you can "dent" or outright stop piracy is just wishful thinking.
It always has been.
The method will differ, that's all.
Goodbye torrents, hello ?????
The only reason this seems odd is because over the last 10 years, the general public has gotten into piracy in a big way.
If that hadn't have happened and it was much more "low key" -- we wouldn't be having this discussion and you, most likely, would not even realize piracy was taking place.
Now we have torrents.
Before that we had http.
Before that we had SFTP.
Before that we had FTP.
Before that we had Zmodem on BBS's.
Before that, we had X/Ymodem.
And before that we had sneakernet.
The evolution continues...



(sidenote:  Remember rule #1.
I purposely have a glaring oversight in the list above.
Can you spot it?
LOL)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31692182</id>
	<title>Easy-button</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270068540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"not to mention that it would be nearly impossible for Fung to actively investigate every single file to see whether it's legal or not."</p><p>Not "nearly impossible", it is impossible. The court has no authority to require that he investigate every single file to see whether it is legal or not. Also, it is an unlawful court order because it is impossible successfully execute. The court cannot lawfully order you to do something that is impossible.</p><p>I have an excellent analogy. Could a judge order a newspaper to remove its classified advertisements for all stolen property? How is a newspaper supposed to know whether that Bowflex was obtained legally? Likewise, ISOHUNT is nothing more than an advertising service for those wishing to very efficiently exchange information/files. Some user content is legal, some is not. It is not appropriate to go after the advertising service or the legal users of an excellent information exchange service for the actions of criminals.</p><p>No, I actually am not a pirate, so they can stop making stupid assumptions. I am an IT pro who uses a tremendous amount of open source software and I enjoy real music by real artists, rather than the polished trash churned out by multinational corporations. BTW, in addition to their willingness to throw regular consumers under the judicial bus to make a few extra bucks, they also are engaging in anti-competitive practices as they hope to silence all the artists who rely on P2P to spread awareness of their content rather than pay<br>the corporations their 'protection money' and conform to their ridiculous standards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" not to mention that it would be nearly impossible for Fung to actively investigate every single file to see whether it 's legal or not .
" Not " nearly impossible " , it is impossible .
The court has no authority to require that he investigate every single file to see whether it is legal or not .
Also , it is an unlawful court order because it is impossible successfully execute .
The court can not lawfully order you to do something that is impossible.I have an excellent analogy .
Could a judge order a newspaper to remove its classified advertisements for all stolen property ?
How is a newspaper supposed to know whether that Bowflex was obtained legally ?
Likewise , ISOHUNT is nothing more than an advertising service for those wishing to very efficiently exchange information/files .
Some user content is legal , some is not .
It is not appropriate to go after the advertising service or the legal users of an excellent information exchange service for the actions of criminals.No , I actually am not a pirate , so they can stop making stupid assumptions .
I am an IT pro who uses a tremendous amount of open source software and I enjoy real music by real artists , rather than the polished trash churned out by multinational corporations .
BTW , in addition to their willingness to throw regular consumers under the judicial bus to make a few extra bucks , they also are engaging in anti-competitive practices as they hope to silence all the artists who rely on P2P to spread awareness of their content rather than paythe corporations their 'protection money ' and conform to their ridiculous standards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"not to mention that it would be nearly impossible for Fung to actively investigate every single file to see whether it's legal or not.
"Not "nearly impossible", it is impossible.
The court has no authority to require that he investigate every single file to see whether it is legal or not.
Also, it is an unlawful court order because it is impossible successfully execute.
The court cannot lawfully order you to do something that is impossible.I have an excellent analogy.
Could a judge order a newspaper to remove its classified advertisements for all stolen property?
How is a newspaper supposed to know whether that Bowflex was obtained legally?
Likewise, ISOHUNT is nothing more than an advertising service for those wishing to very efficiently exchange information/files.
Some user content is legal, some is not.
It is not appropriate to go after the advertising service or the legal users of an excellent information exchange service for the actions of criminals.No, I actually am not a pirate, so they can stop making stupid assumptions.
I am an IT pro who uses a tremendous amount of open source software and I enjoy real music by real artists, rather than the polished trash churned out by multinational corporations.
BTW, in addition to their willingness to throw regular consumers under the judicial bus to make a few extra bucks, they also are engaging in anti-competitive practices as they hope to silence all the artists who rely on P2P to spread awareness of their content rather than paythe corporations their 'protection money' and conform to their ridiculous standards.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691736</id>
	<title>Re:Keep dreaming.....</title>
	<author>Mordok-DestroyerOfWo</author>
	<datestamp>1270066800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But rule number one is I'm not supposed to talk about it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>But rule number one is I 'm not supposed to talk about it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But rule number one is I'm not supposed to talk about it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31693012</id>
	<title>Re:they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>krapski</author>
	<datestamp>1270028280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i object to the "+5 insightful" tag of my post. I have read comments here on slashdot that were leaps and bounds more insightful than the one I posted. I suppose it's because I posted it in "the root"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i object to the " + 5 insightful " tag of my post .
I have read comments here on slashdot that were leaps and bounds more insightful than the one I posted .
I suppose it 's because I posted it in " the root "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i object to the "+5 insightful" tag of my post.
I have read comments here on slashdot that were leaps and bounds more insightful than the one I posted.
I suppose it's because I posted it in "the root"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691770</id>
	<title>Re:It's stupid really</title>
	<author>Schadrach</author>
	<datestamp>1270066980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thought -- what about building another torrent tracker site (ala TPB), but rather than being assholes about it, when a company requests material be taken down, ask them to prove they are who they say they are (more or less a written statement on a company letterhead, maybe a phone call beyond that?) then set them up an account where they can simply blacklist their copyrighted material on their own, with a clear warning that if the capability to blacklist torrents is abused (allow those who get blacklisted to appeal it and duke it out [preferably without your personal involvement in the duking out], it's considered "abuse" of that power if over a certain \% successfully appeal (meaning false positives) as it's clear that they aren't a good judge of their own copyright holdings at that point) then access to that feature will be revoked.  Would that constitute "due diligence" to ensure "non-infringing uses" and comply with copyright holder's wishes, I wonder?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thought -- what about building another torrent tracker site ( ala TPB ) , but rather than being assholes about it , when a company requests material be taken down , ask them to prove they are who they say they are ( more or less a written statement on a company letterhead , maybe a phone call beyond that ?
) then set them up an account where they can simply blacklist their copyrighted material on their own , with a clear warning that if the capability to blacklist torrents is abused ( allow those who get blacklisted to appeal it and duke it out [ preferably without your personal involvement in the duking out ] , it 's considered " abuse " of that power if over a certain \ % successfully appeal ( meaning false positives ) as it 's clear that they are n't a good judge of their own copyright holdings at that point ) then access to that feature will be revoked .
Would that constitute " due diligence " to ensure " non-infringing uses " and comply with copyright holder 's wishes , I wonder ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thought -- what about building another torrent tracker site (ala TPB), but rather than being assholes about it, when a company requests material be taken down, ask them to prove they are who they say they are (more or less a written statement on a company letterhead, maybe a phone call beyond that?
) then set them up an account where they can simply blacklist their copyrighted material on their own, with a clear warning that if the capability to blacklist torrents is abused (allow those who get blacklisted to appeal it and duke it out [preferably without your personal involvement in the duking out], it's considered "abuse" of that power if over a certain \% successfully appeal (meaning false positives) as it's clear that they aren't a good judge of their own copyright holdings at that point) then access to that feature will be revoked.
Would that constitute "due diligence" to ensure "non-infringing uses" and comply with copyright holder's wishes, I wonder?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691432</id>
	<title>meh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270065660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>you kill one site, 4 pop up. If they kill torrenting, it will force us into a new, better format. you will never kill us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you kill one site , 4 pop up .
If they kill torrenting , it will force us into a new , better format .
you will never kill us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you kill one site, 4 pop up.
If they kill torrenting, it will force us into a new, better format.
you will never kill us.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690722</id>
	<title>It's stupid really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270062900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IsoHunt and Torrenting in general is just a service, to connect people. In the same way MSN connects me to my friends and websites connect me to news.</p><p>Making IsoHunt responsible for the copyrighted material would be like making Microsoft responsible for Copyrighted material I share with my friends over filesharing through Live messenger.</p><p>Now, if I go home and do that tonight, can I expect US District Judge Stephen Wilson to order MSN to cut off filesharing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IsoHunt and Torrenting in general is just a service , to connect people .
In the same way MSN connects me to my friends and websites connect me to news.Making IsoHunt responsible for the copyrighted material would be like making Microsoft responsible for Copyrighted material I share with my friends over filesharing through Live messenger.Now , if I go home and do that tonight , can I expect US District Judge Stephen Wilson to order MSN to cut off filesharing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IsoHunt and Torrenting in general is just a service, to connect people.
In the same way MSN connects me to my friends and websites connect me to news.Making IsoHunt responsible for the copyrighted material would be like making Microsoft responsible for Copyrighted material I share with my friends over filesharing through Live messenger.Now, if I go home and do that tonight, can I expect US District Judge Stephen Wilson to order MSN to cut off filesharing?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691142</id>
	<title>Re:It's stupid really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270064520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yup. And a murderer is just a service connecting the bullet manufacturer to the victim. It's the outcome that matters, not all of this legal gymnastics.</p></div><p>IsoHunt would be the gun that fired the bullet in your scenario, not the person firing it, and we already know the law doesn't hold the firearm responsible for the crime, though suits have been brought against the manufacturer. That being said, I think you're a fucking idiot; astro-turf much?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup .
And a murderer is just a service connecting the bullet manufacturer to the victim .
It 's the outcome that matters , not all of this legal gymnastics.IsoHunt would be the gun that fired the bullet in your scenario , not the person firing it , and we already know the law does n't hold the firearm responsible for the crime , though suits have been brought against the manufacturer .
That being said , I think you 're a fucking idiot ; astro-turf much ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup.
And a murderer is just a service connecting the bullet manufacturer to the victim.
It's the outcome that matters, not all of this legal gymnastics.IsoHunt would be the gun that fired the bullet in your scenario, not the person firing it, and we already know the law doesn't hold the firearm responsible for the crime, though suits have been brought against the manufacturer.
That being said, I think you're a fucking idiot; astro-turf much?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31692418</id>
	<title>Re:You mess with the bull, you get the horns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270026120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm, interesting. Just one question - what the hell are you going on about?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and then I saw your username. Touche.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , interesting .
Just one question - what the hell are you going on about ?
...and then I saw your username .
Touche .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, interesting.
Just one question - what the hell are you going on about?
...and then I saw your username.
Touche.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690794</id>
	<title>Since when...</title>
	<author>Hamsterdan</author>
	<datestamp>1270063200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>is a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent file containing any copyrighted material?</htmltext>
<tokenext>is a .torrent file containing any copyrighted material ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is a .torrent file containing any copyrighted material?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691604</id>
	<title>Re:Keep dreaming.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270066380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not name it? Haven't you heard? It's been declared dead for ages. How can they kill that which does not live? There's nothing to fear.</p><p>Fidonet is DEAD! Long Live Fidonet!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not name it ?
Have n't you heard ?
It 's been declared dead for ages .
How can they kill that which does not live ?
There 's nothing to fear.Fidonet is DEAD !
Long Live Fidonet !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not name it?
Haven't you heard?
It's been declared dead for ages.
How can they kill that which does not live?
There's nothing to fear.Fidonet is DEAD!
Long Live Fidonet!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31692472</id>
	<title>Is this a one-time take down?</title>
	<author>subanark</author>
	<datestamp>1270026360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read the article, and I'm still confused. If he is ordered to take down all infringing material, then the solution is simple: purge all torrents, then let the users upload them again. I'm sure if he announced that there was a time planned to do this, someone would back up all the torrents, and then re upload them after the purge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read the article , and I 'm still confused .
If he is ordered to take down all infringing material , then the solution is simple : purge all torrents , then let the users upload them again .
I 'm sure if he announced that there was a time planned to do this , someone would back up all the torrents , and then re upload them after the purge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read the article, and I'm still confused.
If he is ordered to take down all infringing material, then the solution is simple: purge all torrents, then let the users upload them again.
I'm sure if he announced that there was a time planned to do this, someone would back up all the torrents, and then re upload them after the purge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31696394</id>
	<title>Re:Decentralised tracker</title>
	<author>seandiggity</author>
	<datestamp>1270047600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If interested, take a look at the existing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed\_hash\_table#Examples" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">DHT systems</a> [wikipedia.org].  I'm looking into this kind of stuff for <a href="http://foojbook.com/" title="foojbook.com" rel="nofollow">Foojbook</a> [foojbook.com], and I know it takes a ton of work to get it right, but as far as P2P filesharing goes there are a number of DHT implementations already.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If interested , take a look at the existing DHT systems [ wikipedia.org ] .
I 'm looking into this kind of stuff for Foojbook [ foojbook.com ] , and I know it takes a ton of work to get it right , but as far as P2P filesharing goes there are a number of DHT implementations already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If interested, take a look at the existing DHT systems [wikipedia.org].
I'm looking into this kind of stuff for Foojbook [foojbook.com], and I know it takes a ton of work to get it right, but as far as P2P filesharing goes there are a number of DHT implementations already.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690802</id>
	<title>Re:It's stupid really</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1270063200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it weren't so blatant that the site is meant for copyright infringement, and 99\% of the content wasn't illegally distributed without permission from authors, then you could say its just a service to connect people. Just the same way like if someone exchanges drugs in your mall without you knowing about it, it's not your fault. But if you set up a place where people come to exchange drugs and you know it and are looking at it happening from the side, you will be held responsible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it were n't so blatant that the site is meant for copyright infringement , and 99 \ % of the content was n't illegally distributed without permission from authors , then you could say its just a service to connect people .
Just the same way like if someone exchanges drugs in your mall without you knowing about it , it 's not your fault .
But if you set up a place where people come to exchange drugs and you know it and are looking at it happening from the side , you will be held responsible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it weren't so blatant that the site is meant for copyright infringement, and 99\% of the content wasn't illegally distributed without permission from authors, then you could say its just a service to connect people.
Just the same way like if someone exchanges drugs in your mall without you knowing about it, it's not your fault.
But if you set up a place where people come to exchange drugs and you know it and are looking at it happening from the side, you will be held responsible.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31698416</id>
	<title>lemme guess is it ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270114680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>dcc on irc and/or irc chatbots... rofl XP</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dcc on irc and/or irc chatbots... rofl XP</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dcc on irc and/or irc chatbots... rofl XP</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691830</id>
	<title>Re:they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>Clandestine\_Blaze</author>
	<datestamp>1270067280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Pirate sites will go, and others will replace them, but there is a constant: like death and taxes, piracy will go on.</p></div><p>Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often, I'm sure the amount of people wanting to run such a site decreases dramatically. It's not an endless river.</p></div><p>Piracy (Copyright infringement) has been around since the 1550's with the Stationers' Company of London. Even with the threat of prison or jail time, people have found a way to pirate material. No, it's not going anywhere any time soon. This is not a new concept that suddenly became popular in the Internet age. When a method of dealing with a problem has not worked in almost 500 years, then you're probably dealing with it in the wrong manner.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pirate sites will go , and others will replace them , but there is a constant : like death and taxes , piracy will go on.Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often , I 'm sure the amount of people wanting to run such a site decreases dramatically .
It 's not an endless river.Piracy ( Copyright infringement ) has been around since the 1550 's with the Stationers ' Company of London .
Even with the threat of prison or jail time , people have found a way to pirate material .
No , it 's not going anywhere any time soon .
This is not a new concept that suddenly became popular in the Internet age .
When a method of dealing with a problem has not worked in almost 500 years , then you 're probably dealing with it in the wrong manner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pirate sites will go, and others will replace them, but there is a constant: like death and taxes, piracy will go on.Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often, I'm sure the amount of people wanting to run such a site decreases dramatically.
It's not an endless river.Piracy (Copyright infringement) has been around since the 1550's with the Stationers' Company of London.
Even with the threat of prison or jail time, people have found a way to pirate material.
No, it's not going anywhere any time soon.
This is not a new concept that suddenly became popular in the Internet age.
When a method of dealing with a problem has not worked in almost 500 years, then you're probably dealing with it in the wrong manner.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31692712</id>
	<title>Re:they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1270027200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often, we would have already moved to more decentralized and anonymous P2P technologies</p></div></blockquote><p>After Napster, there was Gnutella.  Highly distributed technology, which certainly caught-on.  Kazaa had a little bit of central control opportunities, but if you've experienced it, you're familiar with the same problems...</p><p>Namely, this:  <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/11/4/" title="penny-arcade.com">http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/11/4/</a> [penny-arcade.com]</p><p>Bittorrent is actually the regression, driven mainly by hype more than real benefits over other P2P technologies.  But it does have on thing to it's benefit, and that is trust...  You don't search for file names across the whole network, you visit a website you trust, and download torrents submitted by other (trusted) users, any of whom can be kicked by the site admin if they post deceiving descriptions.  Much noise has been made about cryptographic trust relationships, but the fact that none has ever materialized in P2P over the last decade+, indicates it's not as easy of a problem as people would like to believe.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often , we would have already moved to more decentralized and anonymous P2P technologiesAfter Napster , there was Gnutella .
Highly distributed technology , which certainly caught-on .
Kazaa had a little bit of central control opportunities , but if you 've experienced it , you 're familiar with the same problems...Namely , this : http : //www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/11/4/ [ penny-arcade.com ] Bittorrent is actually the regression , driven mainly by hype more than real benefits over other P2P technologies .
But it does have on thing to it 's benefit , and that is trust... You do n't search for file names across the whole network , you visit a website you trust , and download torrents submitted by other ( trusted ) users , any of whom can be kicked by the site admin if they post deceiving descriptions .
Much noise has been made about cryptographic trust relationships , but the fact that none has ever materialized in P2P over the last decade + , indicates it 's not as easy of a problem as people would like to believe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often, we would have already moved to more decentralized and anonymous P2P technologiesAfter Napster, there was Gnutella.
Highly distributed technology, which certainly caught-on.
Kazaa had a little bit of central control opportunities, but if you've experienced it, you're familiar with the same problems...Namely, this:  http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/11/4/ [penny-arcade.com]Bittorrent is actually the regression, driven mainly by hype more than real benefits over other P2P technologies.
But it does have on thing to it's benefit, and that is trust...  You don't search for file names across the whole network, you visit a website you trust, and download torrents submitted by other (trusted) users, any of whom can be kicked by the site admin if they post deceiving descriptions.
Much noise has been made about cryptographic trust relationships, but the fact that none has ever materialized in P2P over the last decade+, indicates it's not as easy of a problem as people would like to believe.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690750</id>
	<title>Re:You mess with the bull, you get the horns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270063020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Horton Hears a Who, an elephant hears the voices of a tiny person living on a spec of dust.</p><p>Just 'cause it's in a story doesn't make it true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Horton Hears a Who , an elephant hears the voices of a tiny person living on a spec of dust.Just 'cause it 's in a story does n't make it true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Horton Hears a Who, an elephant hears the voices of a tiny person living on a spec of dust.Just 'cause it's in a story doesn't make it true.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691948</id>
	<title>why don't they move?</title>
	<author>iamhassi</author>
	<datestamp>1270067760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often,"</i>
<br> <br>
unless they do something crazy, like <i>move to another country.</i>  <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/18/0027235/P2P-and-P2P-Links-Ruled-Legal-In-Spain" title="slashdot.org">Spain has already ruled P2P and P2P links are legal</a> [slashdot.org].  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IsoHunt" title="wikipedia.org">Isohunt has 40 million unique searches a month</a> [wikipedia.org] and  <a href="http://websiteshadow.com/isohunt.com" title="websiteshadow.com">is worth $51 million dollars, generating $5 million a yr in ad revenue</a> [websiteshadow.com].  <b>If the US Govt told me "Hey!  You can't make $5 million a year anymore!"  I would be on the next plane to where ever it was legal to keep doing what I'm doing.  </b></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often , " unless they do something crazy , like move to another country .
Spain has already ruled P2P and P2P links are legal [ slashdot.org ] .
Isohunt has 40 million unique searches a month [ wikipedia.org ] and is worth $ 51 million dollars , generating $ 5 million a yr in ad revenue [ websiteshadow.com ] .
If the US Govt told me " Hey !
You ca n't make $ 5 million a year anymore !
" I would be on the next plane to where ever it was legal to keep doing what I 'm doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Once the admins and users will start getting jail time and huge fines more often,"
 
unless they do something crazy, like move to another country.
Spain has already ruled P2P and P2P links are legal [slashdot.org].
Isohunt has 40 million unique searches a month [wikipedia.org] and  is worth $51 million dollars, generating $5 million a yr in ad revenue [websiteshadow.com].
If the US Govt told me "Hey!
You can't make $5 million a year anymore!
"  I would be on the next plane to where ever it was legal to keep doing what I'm doing.  </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691394</id>
	<title>One thing the copyright owners are doing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270065540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is not selling their content in countries, like Spain, where piracy is rampant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is not selling their content in countries , like Spain , where piracy is rampant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is not selling their content in countries, like Spain, where piracy is rampant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691910</id>
	<title>OK...</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1270067580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I understand the reason to fight in court, however if he ends up losing, what is to stop him from just moving all his physical servers to some country like Kerblackistan that doesn't give two whits about what some judge in USA land has to say? I mean the whole site is just hosting torrents which are just teeny tiny files that point uTorrent et al where to find the good stuff, correct? That doesn't exactly take a whole lot of horsepower.</p><p>I mean Pirate Bay got shut down because the US pressured the crap out of Sweden to do it, but I am sure there are plenty of places that could care less.</p><p>Anyway I gotta go blow my bandwidth cap for March/April and download what parts of the internet I don't already have...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand the reason to fight in court , however if he ends up losing , what is to stop him from just moving all his physical servers to some country like Kerblackistan that does n't give two whits about what some judge in USA land has to say ?
I mean the whole site is just hosting torrents which are just teeny tiny files that point uTorrent et al where to find the good stuff , correct ?
That does n't exactly take a whole lot of horsepower.I mean Pirate Bay got shut down because the US pressured the crap out of Sweden to do it , but I am sure there are plenty of places that could care less.Anyway I got ta go blow my bandwidth cap for March/April and download what parts of the internet I do n't already have.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand the reason to fight in court, however if he ends up losing, what is to stop him from just moving all his physical servers to some country like Kerblackistan that doesn't give two whits about what some judge in USA land has to say?
I mean the whole site is just hosting torrents which are just teeny tiny files that point uTorrent et al where to find the good stuff, correct?
That doesn't exactly take a whole lot of horsepower.I mean Pirate Bay got shut down because the US pressured the crap out of Sweden to do it, but I am sure there are plenty of places that could care less.Anyway I gotta go blow my bandwidth cap for March/April and download what parts of the internet I don't already have...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691248</id>
	<title>I hate obviously fake news stories on</title>
	<author>BatGnat</author>
	<datestamp>1270064880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>the 1st of April.<br> <br> An yes where I am, It has been the 1st for five and half hours.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the 1st of April .
An yes where I am , It has been the 1st for five and half hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the 1st of April.
An yes where I am, It has been the 1st for five and half hours.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690708</id>
	<title>Decentralised tracker</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270062840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So when is someone going to develop a peer-to-peer system for hosting and tracking torrents? What happened to <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/10/28/1722214.shtml" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">this technology</a> [slashdot.org]?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So when is someone going to develop a peer-to-peer system for hosting and tracking torrents ?
What happened to this technology [ slashdot.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So when is someone going to develop a peer-to-peer system for hosting and tracking torrents?
What happened to this technology [slashdot.org]?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31695452</id>
	<title>Re:OK...</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1270040280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I understand the reason to fight in court, however if he ends up losing, what is to stop him from just moving all his physical servers to some country like Kerblackistan that doesn't give two whits about what some judge in USA land has to say?</p> </div><p>The case is in Canada, the site is hosted in Canada, and its owner is a Canadian citizen.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> I am sure there are plenty of places that could care less.</p></div><p>Care to name some places which "could care less", which also have the necessary infrastructure, and where your servers aren't likely to be taken down for something else (say, some local censorship laws)?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand the reason to fight in court , however if he ends up losing , what is to stop him from just moving all his physical servers to some country like Kerblackistan that does n't give two whits about what some judge in USA land has to say ?
The case is in Canada , the site is hosted in Canada , and its owner is a Canadian citizen .
I am sure there are plenty of places that could care less.Care to name some places which " could care less " , which also have the necessary infrastructure , and where your servers are n't likely to be taken down for something else ( say , some local censorship laws ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand the reason to fight in court, however if he ends up losing, what is to stop him from just moving all his physical servers to some country like Kerblackistan that doesn't give two whits about what some judge in USA land has to say?
The case is in Canada, the site is hosted in Canada, and its owner is a Canadian citizen.
I am sure there are plenty of places that could care less.Care to name some places which "could care less", which also have the necessary infrastructure, and where your servers aren't likely to be taken down for something else (say, some local censorship laws)?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31694740</id>
	<title>Re:Visit your local library</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270036680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not entirely sure what their business model is, but they've been doing this for as long as I can remember, so it appears viable, strange though that may seem.</p></div><p> public libraries are paid for with taxes. that's not a business model.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not entirely sure what their business model is , but they 've been doing this for as long as I can remember , so it appears viable , strange though that may seem .
public libraries are paid for with taxes .
that 's not a business model .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not entirely sure what their business model is, but they've been doing this for as long as I can remember, so it appears viable, strange though that may seem.
public libraries are paid for with taxes.
that's not a business model.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690800</id>
	<title>The war on torrents...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270063200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... is about as likely to be won by the content holders as the 'War on Drugs' to be won by the Federal Govt.</p><p>The parallels are striking, starting with 'Just say no' / 'Don't copy that floppy', and then escalating internationally to ACTA.</p><p>As long as the demand for unauthorized content exists, supply will find its way.</p><p>Until consumers have a compelling reason to buy an authorized copy (iTunes is a great example of this), torrents or some other tech like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.nzb will give the people what they want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... is about as likely to be won by the content holders as the 'War on Drugs ' to be won by the Federal Govt.The parallels are striking , starting with 'Just say no ' / 'Do n't copy that floppy ' , and then escalating internationally to ACTA.As long as the demand for unauthorized content exists , supply will find its way.Until consumers have a compelling reason to buy an authorized copy ( iTunes is a great example of this ) , torrents or some other tech like .nzb will give the people what they want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... is about as likely to be won by the content holders as the 'War on Drugs' to be won by the Federal Govt.The parallels are striking, starting with 'Just say no' / 'Don't copy that floppy', and then escalating internationally to ACTA.As long as the demand for unauthorized content exists, supply will find its way.Until consumers have a compelling reason to buy an authorized copy (iTunes is a great example of this), torrents or some other tech like .nzb will give the people what they want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691616</id>
	<title>Torrent for Torrents?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270066440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think they should make a torrent file for torrent files. Have a site host a single torrent for a whole bunch of torrents. That way, they would have to sue all of the seeders for the torrent files insetad of one entity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they should make a torrent file for torrent files .
Have a site host a single torrent for a whole bunch of torrents .
That way , they would have to sue all of the seeders for the torrent files insetad of one entity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they should make a torrent file for torrent files.
Have a site host a single torrent for a whole bunch of torrents.
That way, they would have to sue all of the seeders for the torrent files insetad of one entity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690986</id>
	<title>Re:They should more to a more civilized country</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1270063920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The owner is already in Canada and is Canadian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The owner is already in Canada and is Canadian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The owner is already in Canada and is Canadian.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691024</id>
	<title>Re:You mess with the bull, you get the horns</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1270064040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>When people start infringing copyrights, they are attacking centuries of legal thought.</i></p><p>No, less than a century of legal thought, as before the 20th century copyrights had reasonable lengths. I wonder how much "pirated" material is older than 20 years?</p><p>Copyright is not about ownership, it is about a limited time monopoly to get creators to create. Jimi Hendrix will perform no more; his work should be in the public domain, as should anything else longer than the length of an invention's patent. Nothing made before 1990 should be covered by copyright, and if it wasn't I believe there would be little piracy.</p><p>I'm sure creativity would evolve much faster. Like technology, art is built on what has come before. Nothing is created out of a vacuum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When people start infringing copyrights , they are attacking centuries of legal thought.No , less than a century of legal thought , as before the 20th century copyrights had reasonable lengths .
I wonder how much " pirated " material is older than 20 years ? Copyright is not about ownership , it is about a limited time monopoly to get creators to create .
Jimi Hendrix will perform no more ; his work should be in the public domain , as should anything else longer than the length of an invention 's patent .
Nothing made before 1990 should be covered by copyright , and if it was n't I believe there would be little piracy.I 'm sure creativity would evolve much faster .
Like technology , art is built on what has come before .
Nothing is created out of a vacuum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When people start infringing copyrights, they are attacking centuries of legal thought.No, less than a century of legal thought, as before the 20th century copyrights had reasonable lengths.
I wonder how much "pirated" material is older than 20 years?Copyright is not about ownership, it is about a limited time monopoly to get creators to create.
Jimi Hendrix will perform no more; his work should be in the public domain, as should anything else longer than the length of an invention's patent.
Nothing made before 1990 should be covered by copyright, and if it wasn't I believe there would be little piracy.I'm sure creativity would evolve much faster.
Like technology, art is built on what has come before.
Nothing is created out of a vacuum.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31696650</id>
	<title>Tuxracer shows that copyright laws are needed</title>
	<author>judeancodersfront</author>
	<datestamp>1270050060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Certain types of software are only produced if there are strong intellectual property laws. Volunteer GPL programmers will not self-organize into groups of 50 and create games like Crysis.

You are free to produce whatever you want and give it away freely. However you take away options other from producers when you argue against copyright laws.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Certain types of software are only produced if there are strong intellectual property laws .
Volunteer GPL programmers will not self-organize into groups of 50 and create games like Crysis .
You are free to produce whatever you want and give it away freely .
However you take away options other from producers when you argue against copyright laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Certain types of software are only produced if there are strong intellectual property laws.
Volunteer GPL programmers will not self-organize into groups of 50 and create games like Crysis.
You are free to produce whatever you want and give it away freely.
However you take away options other from producers when you argue against copyright laws.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31694392</id>
	<title>Re:they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270035000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More decentralized? Yes.  Anonymous? <em>Never</em>.  No one is ever going to invent a file transfer protocol where you don't know where a packet came from on its last hop. That person is either going to go to court, or pay to settle. If he was a proxy, well, now he doesn't want to be a proxy anymore, because it's expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More decentralized ?
Yes. Anonymous ?
Never. No one is ever going to invent a file transfer protocol where you do n't know where a packet came from on its last hop .
That person is either going to go to court , or pay to settle .
If he was a proxy , well , now he does n't want to be a proxy anymore , because it 's expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More decentralized?
Yes.  Anonymous?
Never.  No one is ever going to invent a file transfer protocol where you don't know where a packet came from on its last hop.
That person is either going to go to court, or pay to settle.
If he was a proxy, well, now he doesn't want to be a proxy anymore, because it's expensive.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691790</id>
	<title>Visit your local library</title>
	<author>fyoder</author>
	<datestamp>1270067100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was a lad long, long ago we had no internet and only two tv channels.  Usually there wasn't anything on worth watching.  I read a lot of books.</p><p>Most cities have these buildings full of books and even media, which they seem perfectly happy to loan out for free.  I'm not entirely sure what their business model is, but they've been doing this for as long as I can remember, so it appears viable, strange though that may seem.  It might be time to rediscover them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was a lad long , long ago we had no internet and only two tv channels .
Usually there was n't anything on worth watching .
I read a lot of books.Most cities have these buildings full of books and even media , which they seem perfectly happy to loan out for free .
I 'm not entirely sure what their business model is , but they 've been doing this for as long as I can remember , so it appears viable , strange though that may seem .
It might be time to rediscover them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was a lad long, long ago we had no internet and only two tv channels.
Usually there wasn't anything on worth watching.
I read a lot of books.Most cities have these buildings full of books and even media, which they seem perfectly happy to loan out for free.
I'm not entirely sure what their business model is, but they've been doing this for as long as I can remember, so it appears viable, strange though that may seem.
It might be time to rediscover them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690930</id>
	<title>Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270063680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am saddened by the judge striking down this <b>use</b> of the inter<b>net</b>. A television <b>network</b> should do a <b>news</b> piece on this, in order to <b>transfer</b> knowledge about this subject to the masses. I'm sure they have a <b>protocol</b> to deal with internet stories.</p><p>Someone please keep me <b>post</b>ed. Wh<b>y</b>?<b>ENC</b>ASE THIS <b>B</b>ECOMES A HUGE STORY  <b>ins</b>tead of just letting it die! <b>please!</b> For the good of us all!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am saddened by the judge striking down this use of the internet .
A television network should do a news piece on this , in order to transfer knowledge about this subject to the masses .
I 'm sure they have a protocol to deal with internet stories.Someone please keep me posted .
Why ? ENCASE THIS BECOMES A HUGE STORY instead of just letting it die !
please ! For the good of us all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am saddened by the judge striking down this use of the internet.
A television network should do a news piece on this, in order to transfer knowledge about this subject to the masses.
I'm sure they have a protocol to deal with internet stories.Someone please keep me posted.
Why?ENCASE THIS BECOMES A HUGE STORY  instead of just letting it die!
please! For the good of us all!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31692434</id>
	<title>In a completely unrelated story</title>
	<author>KiwiCanuck</author>
	<datestamp>1270026180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>CEO G@Ry FuNg has introduces a new torrent site: www.is0hunt.com</htmltext>
<tokenext>CEO G @ Ry FuNg has introduces a new torrent site : www.is0hunt.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CEO G@Ry FuNg has introduces a new torrent site: www.is0hunt.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690742</id>
	<title>They should more to a more civilized country</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1270063020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>one which is not hell bent on creating a new form of intellectual feudalism through copyright and ip mechanisms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>one which is not hell bent on creating a new form of intellectual feudalism through copyright and ip mechanisms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>one which is not hell bent on creating a new form of intellectual feudalism through copyright and ip mechanisms.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31694704</id>
	<title>Re:You mess with the bull, you get the horns</title>
	<author>rbrander</author>
	<datestamp>1270036560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I could see at the site, there are few seeders left for any TV show that was broadcast more than 20 DAYS earlier.  By the 20-month mark, you have none worth mentioning.  Try downloading some torrent-megastar like BSG from two seasons ago, and good luck with that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I could see at the site , there are few seeders left for any TV show that was broadcast more than 20 DAYS earlier .
By the 20-month mark , you have none worth mentioning .
Try downloading some torrent-megastar like BSG from two seasons ago , and good luck with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I could see at the site, there are few seeders left for any TV show that was broadcast more than 20 DAYS earlier.
By the 20-month mark, you have none worth mentioning.
Try downloading some torrent-megastar like BSG from two seasons ago, and good luck with that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690654</id>
	<title>Bah....Bah</title>
	<author>muppetman462</author>
	<datestamp>1270062600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>First it's the Pirate Bay, then Mininova, Newzbin, and now IsoHunt?  Where or Where are we to get our stuff from?  Itunes?</htmltext>
<tokenext>First it 's the Pirate Bay , then Mininova , Newzbin , and now IsoHunt ?
Where or Where are we to get our stuff from ?
Itunes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First it's the Pirate Bay, then Mininova, Newzbin, and now IsoHunt?
Where or Where are we to get our stuff from?
Itunes?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691458</id>
	<title>Re:Keep dreaming.....</title>
	<author>fulldecent</author>
	<datestamp>1270065780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; The method will differ, that's all. Goodbye torrents, hello ?????<br>&gt;&gt; (sidenote: Remember rule #1. I purposely have a glaring oversight in the list above. Can you spot it? LOL)</p><p>Yeah, but I thought it's spelled ??????</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; The method will differ , that 's all .
Goodbye torrents , hello ? ? ? ?
? &gt; &gt; ( sidenote : Remember rule # 1 .
I purposely have a glaring oversight in the list above .
Can you spot it ?
LOL ) Yeah , but I thought it 's spelled ? ? ? ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; The method will differ, that's all.
Goodbye torrents, hello ????
?&gt;&gt; (sidenote: Remember rule #1.
I purposely have a glaring oversight in the list above.
Can you spot it?
LOL)Yeah, but I thought it's spelled ?????
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31694686</id>
	<title>Re:Keep dreaming.....</title>
	<author>genner</author>
	<datestamp>1270036440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>It's not an endless river.</i>




Yes, yes it is.  As far back as I can recall -- and that is a long way -- there has always been piracy.   To think or even suggest that you can "dent" or outright stop piracy is just wishful thinking.   It always has been.




The method will differ, that's all.  Goodbye torrents, hello ?????




The only reason this seems odd is because over the last 10 years, the general public has gotten into piracy in a big way.  If that hadn't have happened and it was much more "low key" -- we wouldn't be having this discussion and you, most likely, would not even realize piracy was taking place.   Now we have torrents.  Before that we had http.  Before that we had SFTP.  Before that we had FTP.  Before that we had Zmodem on BBS's.  Before that, we had X/Ymodem.  And before that we had sneakernet.




The evolution continues...</p></div><p>The problem is piracy is too easy now. Your average shmuck wasn't pirating on a invite only BBS using kermit. I hope the next evolution puts piracy back into the hands of geeks where it belongs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not an endless river .
Yes , yes it is .
As far back as I can recall -- and that is a long way -- there has always been piracy .
To think or even suggest that you can " dent " or outright stop piracy is just wishful thinking .
It always has been .
The method will differ , that 's all .
Goodbye torrents , hello ? ? ? ? ?
The only reason this seems odd is because over the last 10 years , the general public has gotten into piracy in a big way .
If that had n't have happened and it was much more " low key " -- we would n't be having this discussion and you , most likely , would not even realize piracy was taking place .
Now we have torrents .
Before that we had http .
Before that we had SFTP .
Before that we had FTP .
Before that we had Zmodem on BBS 's .
Before that , we had X/Ymodem .
And before that we had sneakernet .
The evolution continues...The problem is piracy is too easy now .
Your average shmuck was n't pirating on a invite only BBS using kermit .
I hope the next evolution puts piracy back into the hands of geeks where it belongs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It's not an endless river.
Yes, yes it is.
As far back as I can recall -- and that is a long way -- there has always been piracy.
To think or even suggest that you can "dent" or outright stop piracy is just wishful thinking.
It always has been.
The method will differ, that's all.
Goodbye torrents, hello ?????
The only reason this seems odd is because over the last 10 years, the general public has gotten into piracy in a big way.
If that hadn't have happened and it was much more "low key" -- we wouldn't be having this discussion and you, most likely, would not even realize piracy was taking place.
Now we have torrents.
Before that we had http.
Before that we had SFTP.
Before that we had FTP.
Before that we had Zmodem on BBS's.
Before that, we had X/Ymodem.
And before that we had sneakernet.
The evolution continues...The problem is piracy is too easy now.
Your average shmuck wasn't pirating on a invite only BBS using kermit.
I hope the next evolution puts piracy back into the hands of geeks where it belongs.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31690868</id>
	<title>another incorrect use of "content"</title>
	<author>brre</author>
	<datestamp>1270063440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mean media, or expression, or product. The content, if any, cannot be copyrighted. Also you don't mean infringing, you mean unlicensed, or pirated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean media , or expression , or product .
The content , if any , can not be copyrighted .
Also you do n't mean infringing , you mean unlicensed , or pirated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean media, or expression, or product.
The content, if any, cannot be copyrighted.
Also you don't mean infringing, you mean unlicensed, or pirated.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691638</id>
	<title>Re:they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270066500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh fuck that, people will still do it, period.</p><p>Do you see murders decreasing because some dude got jail time?  Hell no.<br>Everybody, EVERYBODY, thinks they can get away with it.<br>The only time some people might consider stopping it (for a while, maybe) are when someone THEY knew who got screwed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh fuck that , people will still do it , period.Do you see murders decreasing because some dude got jail time ?
Hell no.Everybody , EVERYBODY , thinks they can get away with it.The only time some people might consider stopping it ( for a while , maybe ) are when someone THEY knew who got screwed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh fuck that, people will still do it, period.Do you see murders decreasing because some dude got jail time?
Hell no.Everybody, EVERYBODY, thinks they can get away with it.The only time some people might consider stopping it (for a while, maybe) are when someone THEY knew who got screwed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31694170</id>
	<title>Re:they come and they go but there is one constant</title>
	<author>Amouth</author>
	<datestamp>1270033740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or they will move back to a world of bbs style places with seats and a quality of service in a small sub culture for their material - maybe still a bit torrent network run inside of a user provided mess network set up with tor style vpn clients.</p><p>people shared copies of mp3's for years before napster - it was when they made it so the random joe with no idea what he was doing could do it that they started pressing against it and calling afoul.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or they will move back to a world of bbs style places with seats and a quality of service in a small sub culture for their material - maybe still a bit torrent network run inside of a user provided mess network set up with tor style vpn clients.people shared copies of mp3 's for years before napster - it was when they made it so the random joe with no idea what he was doing could do it that they started pressing against it and calling afoul .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or they will move back to a world of bbs style places with seats and a quality of service in a small sub culture for their material - maybe still a bit torrent network run inside of a user provided mess network set up with tor style vpn clients.people shared copies of mp3's for years before napster - it was when they made it so the random joe with no idea what he was doing could do it that they started pressing against it and calling afoul.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691760</id>
	<title>Re:The war on torrents...</title>
	<author>Facegarden</author>
	<datestamp>1270066920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>... is about as likely to be won by the content holders as the 'War on Drugs' to be won by the Federal Govt.</p><p>The parallels are striking, starting with 'Just say no' / 'Don't copy that floppy', and then escalating internationally to ACTA.</p><p>As long as the demand for unauthorized content exists, supply will find its way.</p><p>Until consumers have a compelling reason to buy an authorized copy (iTunes is a great example of this), torrents or some other tech like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.nzb will give the people what they want.</p></div><p>Interesting that your bring up iTunes. Last I checked (it's been a while) the videos on iTunes still had DRM (even though the music doesn't). As long as legitimate means of getting content still require DRM, I'll keep pirating it. I don't want my movie collection disappearing in 5 or 15 years when I've moved computers too many times, or some server gets taken offline, or the prevailing OS of today falls by the wayside.</p><p>I actually buy music now, because i know i can keep it forever.</p><p>Not sure if you meant itunes is an example of the right way or the wrong way, and i suppose its better than nothing, but i just felt I should add my sentiments - I don't see why they stopped using DRM for music but kept using it for video, and until thats gone, I don't be using it.<br>-Taylor</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... is about as likely to be won by the content holders as the 'War on Drugs ' to be won by the Federal Govt.The parallels are striking , starting with 'Just say no ' / 'Do n't copy that floppy ' , and then escalating internationally to ACTA.As long as the demand for unauthorized content exists , supply will find its way.Until consumers have a compelling reason to buy an authorized copy ( iTunes is a great example of this ) , torrents or some other tech like .nzb will give the people what they want.Interesting that your bring up iTunes .
Last I checked ( it 's been a while ) the videos on iTunes still had DRM ( even though the music does n't ) .
As long as legitimate means of getting content still require DRM , I 'll keep pirating it .
I do n't want my movie collection disappearing in 5 or 15 years when I 've moved computers too many times , or some server gets taken offline , or the prevailing OS of today falls by the wayside.I actually buy music now , because i know i can keep it forever.Not sure if you meant itunes is an example of the right way or the wrong way , and i suppose its better than nothing , but i just felt I should add my sentiments - I do n't see why they stopped using DRM for music but kept using it for video , and until thats gone , I do n't be using it.-Taylor</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... is about as likely to be won by the content holders as the 'War on Drugs' to be won by the Federal Govt.The parallels are striking, starting with 'Just say no' / 'Don't copy that floppy', and then escalating internationally to ACTA.As long as the demand for unauthorized content exists, supply will find its way.Until consumers have a compelling reason to buy an authorized copy (iTunes is a great example of this), torrents or some other tech like .nzb will give the people what they want.Interesting that your bring up iTunes.
Last I checked (it's been a while) the videos on iTunes still had DRM (even though the music doesn't).
As long as legitimate means of getting content still require DRM, I'll keep pirating it.
I don't want my movie collection disappearing in 5 or 15 years when I've moved computers too many times, or some server gets taken offline, or the prevailing OS of today falls by the wayside.I actually buy music now, because i know i can keep it forever.Not sure if you meant itunes is an example of the right way or the wrong way, and i suppose its better than nothing, but i just felt I should add my sentiments - I don't see why they stopped using DRM for music but kept using it for video, and until thats gone, I don't be using it.-Taylor
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_182226.31691320</id>
	<title>Re:The war on torrents...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270065240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>as likely to be won by the content holders as the 'War on Drugs' to be won by the Federal Govt</i></p><p>Considering that drug prohibition rakes billions of dollars through the business of government every year, I'd say yes, drug prohibition is a HUGE win -- for those at the top of the power pyramid.</p><p>You're not in the business of government, are you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as likely to be won by the content holders as the 'War on Drugs ' to be won by the Federal GovtConsidering that drug prohibition rakes billions of dollars through the business of government every year , I 'd say yes , drug prohibition is a HUGE win -- for those at the top of the power pyramid.You 're not in the business of government , are you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as likely to be won by the content holders as the 'War on Drugs' to be won by the Federal GovtConsidering that drug prohibition rakes billions of dollars through the business of government every year, I'd say yes, drug prohibition is a HUGE win -- for those at the top of the power pyramid.You're not in the business of government, are you?</sentencetext>
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