<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_31_0346217</id>
	<title>Journalists' Yahoo E-Mail Accounts Compromised In China</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1270037340000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>andy1307 writes <i>"According to this article in the New York Times, 'In what appears to be a coordinated assault, the e-mail accounts of at least a dozen rights activists, academics and journalists who cover China  have been <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/world/asia/31china.html?hp=&amp;pagewanted=print">compromised by unknown intruders</a>. The infiltrations, which involved Yahoo e-mail accounts, appeared to be aimed at people who write about China and Taiwan, rendering their accounts inaccessible, according to those who were affected. In the case of this reporter, hackers altered e-mail settings so that all correspondence was surreptitiously forwarded to another e-mail address. ... The victims of the most recent intrusions included a law professor in the United States, an analyst who writes about China's security apparatus and several print journalists based in Beijing and Taipei, the capital of Taiwan."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>andy1307 writes " According to this article in the New York Times , 'In what appears to be a coordinated assault , the e-mail accounts of at least a dozen rights activists , academics and journalists who cover China have been compromised by unknown intruders .
The infiltrations , which involved Yahoo e-mail accounts , appeared to be aimed at people who write about China and Taiwan , rendering their accounts inaccessible , according to those who were affected .
In the case of this reporter , hackers altered e-mail settings so that all correspondence was surreptitiously forwarded to another e-mail address .
... The victims of the most recent intrusions included a law professor in the United States , an analyst who writes about China 's security apparatus and several print journalists based in Beijing and Taipei , the capital of Taiwan .
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<sentencetext>andy1307 writes "According to this article in the New York Times, 'In what appears to be a coordinated assault, the e-mail accounts of at least a dozen rights activists, academics and journalists who cover China  have been compromised by unknown intruders.
The infiltrations, which involved Yahoo e-mail accounts, appeared to be aimed at people who write about China and Taiwan, rendering their accounts inaccessible, according to those who were affected.
In the case of this reporter, hackers altered e-mail settings so that all correspondence was surreptitiously forwarded to another e-mail address.
... The victims of the most recent intrusions included a law professor in the United States, an analyst who writes about China's security apparatus and several print journalists based in Beijing and Taipei, the capital of Taiwan.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685938</id>
	<title>Another reason...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270042140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern\_Hu" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Stern Hu</a> [wikipedia.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stern Hu [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stern Hu [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686036</id>
	<title>the only way to avoid the truth now....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270042800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is to pretend that you already have it. tell 'em robbie?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is to pretend that you already have it .
tell 'em robbie ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is to pretend that you already have it.
tell 'em robbie?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31688984</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm yeah</title>
	<author>umghhh</author>
	<datestamp>1270055520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well it is not only content of mails that went to wrong people but <a href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/03/yahoo\_and\_china" title="economist.com">contact names</a> [economist.com] too - so Chinese governement has surely hands in it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it is not only content of mails that went to wrong people but contact names [ economist.com ] too - so Chinese governement has surely hands in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it is not only content of mails that went to wrong people but contact names [economist.com] too - so Chinese governement has surely hands in it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685874</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686162</id>
	<title>Re:Is anyone surprised?</title>
	<author>Gothmolly</author>
	<datestamp>1270043520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+1 Insightful to you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 Insightful to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 Insightful to you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685856</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685876</id>
	<title>It Must Be....</title>
	<author>N8F8</author>
	<datestamp>1270041720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The evil US government at work, again!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The evil US government at work , again !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The evil US government at work, again!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31687556</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm yeah</title>
	<author>crunzh</author>
	<datestamp>1270049940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I actually think security a yahoo/google and so on is better than at most small ISP's the would otherwise host their emails.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I actually think security a yahoo/google and so on is better than at most small ISP 's the would otherwise host their emails .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I actually think security a yahoo/google and so on is better than at most small ISP's the would otherwise host their emails.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685874</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685990</id>
	<title>Is Yahoo going to follow Google?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270042560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Time for all foreign internet companies to boycott the Chinese network, in my view. If they want to wall themselves off and not play nice, let them see where it gets their economy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time for all foreign internet companies to boycott the Chinese network , in my view .
If they want to wall themselves off and not play nice , let them see where it gets their economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time for all foreign internet companies to boycott the Chinese network, in my view.
If they want to wall themselves off and not play nice, let them see where it gets their economy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31689864</id>
	<title>Re:Is anyone surprised?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270059420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>China is a totalitarian state.</p></div><p>I think totalitarian state is a pretty cool guy. Eh completely ignores human rights and doesnt afraid of anything.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>China is a totalitarian state.I think totalitarian state is a pretty cool guy .
Eh completely ignores human rights and doesnt afraid of anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China is a totalitarian state.I think totalitarian state is a pretty cool guy.
Eh completely ignores human rights and doesnt afraid of anything.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685856</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685966</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270042380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bet my future wife and unborn daughter that the computer you posted from is made in china.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet my future wife and unborn daughter that the computer you posted from is made in china .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet my future wife and unborn daughter that the computer you posted from is made in china.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31687690</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Chinese!</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1270050420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't you know that you should do your wiretapping directly at the ISP level, like real Americans?</p></div><p>Why would you need to when the e-mail hosts have so thoughtfully buried an auto-forwarding function on a settings page that no one ever checks?</p><p>"Free" e-mail has generally only improved in quality over the last decade, but that one move was incredibly boneheaded.<br>Every time I log in, the first thing I should see is "Your E-Mail Is Forwarded To: [No Where/Address]".<br>Anything else is just pure gold for malicious actors.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you know that you should do your wiretapping directly at the ISP level , like real Americans ? Why would you need to when the e-mail hosts have so thoughtfully buried an auto-forwarding function on a settings page that no one ever checks ?
" Free " e-mail has generally only improved in quality over the last decade , but that one move was incredibly boneheaded.Every time I log in , the first thing I should see is " Your E-Mail Is Forwarded To : [ No Where/Address ] " .Anything else is just pure gold for malicious actors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you know that you should do your wiretapping directly at the ISP level, like real Americans?Why would you need to when the e-mail hosts have so thoughtfully buried an auto-forwarding function on a settings page that no one ever checks?
"Free" e-mail has generally only improved in quality over the last decade, but that one move was incredibly boneheaded.Every time I log in, the first thing I should see is "Your E-Mail Is Forwarded To: [No Where/Address]".Anything else is just pure gold for malicious actors.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685834</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685942</id>
	<title>Are you sure it wasn't the Mossad?</title>
	<author>Noam.of.Doom</author>
	<datestamp>1270042200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And I bet they would've gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling journalists.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And I bet they would 've gotten away with it , if it was n't for those meddling journalists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I bet they would've gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling journalists.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685792</id>
	<title>move along folks...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270041120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...nothing to see here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...nothing to see here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...nothing to see here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31687558</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1270049940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately, decades of corporate dominance in the western world have made an embargo of China pretty much impossible. Any country that tried this would face economic collapse (even the whole EU united probably couldn't pull it off). Very little in the way of manufactured goods is still made or exporting outside of Asia (mostly China). Boycotting them would mean having to recreate from scratch the entire manufacturing base of your country and having to completely redefine modern retail (no more Walmarts or malls), and that would take decades of economic suffering and scarcity to accomplish (though the end goal might well be worthwhile). No democratic society is going to put up with that kind of hardship for that long just to flip China off.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , decades of corporate dominance in the western world have made an embargo of China pretty much impossible .
Any country that tried this would face economic collapse ( even the whole EU united probably could n't pull it off ) .
Very little in the way of manufactured goods is still made or exporting outside of Asia ( mostly China ) .
Boycotting them would mean having to recreate from scratch the entire manufacturing base of your country and having to completely redefine modern retail ( no more Walmarts or malls ) , and that would take decades of economic suffering and scarcity to accomplish ( though the end goal might well be worthwhile ) .
No democratic society is going to put up with that kind of hardship for that long just to flip China off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, decades of corporate dominance in the western world have made an embargo of China pretty much impossible.
Any country that tried this would face economic collapse (even the whole EU united probably couldn't pull it off).
Very little in the way of manufactured goods is still made or exporting outside of Asia (mostly China).
Boycotting them would mean having to recreate from scratch the entire manufacturing base of your country and having to completely redefine modern retail (no more Walmarts or malls), and that would take decades of economic suffering and scarcity to accomplish (though the end goal might well be worthwhile).
No democratic society is going to put up with that kind of hardship for that long just to flip China off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686478</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>Cro Magnon</author>
	<datestamp>1270045380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Some people talk the talk when it comes to making a statement. Very few actually walk the walk.</p></div></blockquote><p>Unfortunately, my shoes are also made in China.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people talk the talk when it comes to making a statement .
Very few actually walk the walk.Unfortunately , my shoes are also made in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people talk the talk when it comes to making a statement.
Very few actually walk the walk.Unfortunately, my shoes are also made in China.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686170</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1270043580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>People roll their eyes when I tell them I don't buy products made in China. I refuse to support a government with such an abusive human rights record.</p></div></blockquote><p>Oh jeeze, are you going on about <i>this</i> again?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>People roll their eyes when I tell them I do n't buy products made in China .
I refuse to support a government with such an abusive human rights record.Oh jeeze , are you going on about this again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People roll their eyes when I tell them I don't buy products made in China.
I refuse to support a government with such an abusive human rights record.Oh jeeze, are you going on about this again?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686034</id>
	<title>So let's get this straight:</title>
	<author>muckracer</author>
	<datestamp>1270042800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>- for 20 years now malware targets mostly DOS/Windows, yet these guys still use exactly that<br>- the main vector of malware coming in is via e-mail attachments, yet these guys keep clicking on them<br>- signed e-mails and attachments would make reception thereof fairly safe, yet these guys have no idea about it<br>- nevermind encryption, cause why would these guys be responsible towards their sources<br>- etc.pp.</p><p>So I'd say....TOLD YOU SO....but then these guys probably would feign complete ignorance and amazement over the fact, that especially the totalitarian governments of the world don't exactly work with white gloves on and...GASP...don't give a shit about your self-aggrandized ego of 'a journalist' and the hallowed freedom of press!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>- for 20 years now malware targets mostly DOS/Windows , yet these guys still use exactly that- the main vector of malware coming in is via e-mail attachments , yet these guys keep clicking on them- signed e-mails and attachments would make reception thereof fairly safe , yet these guys have no idea about it- nevermind encryption , cause why would these guys be responsible towards their sources- etc.pp.So I 'd say....TOLD YOU SO....but then these guys probably would feign complete ignorance and amazement over the fact , that especially the totalitarian governments of the world do n't exactly work with white gloves on and...GASP...do n't give a shit about your self-aggrandized ego of 'a journalist ' and the hallowed freedom of press !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- for 20 years now malware targets mostly DOS/Windows, yet these guys still use exactly that- the main vector of malware coming in is via e-mail attachments, yet these guys keep clicking on them- signed e-mails and attachments would make reception thereof fairly safe, yet these guys have no idea about it- nevermind encryption, cause why would these guys be responsible towards their sources- etc.pp.So I'd say....TOLD YOU SO....but then these guys probably would feign complete ignorance and amazement over the fact, that especially the totalitarian governments of the world don't exactly work with white gloves on and...GASP...don't give a shit about your self-aggrandized ego of 'a journalist' and the hallowed freedom of press!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685880</id>
	<title>This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270041720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People roll their eyes when I tell them I don't buy products made in China.  I refuse to support a government with such an abusive human rights record.</p><p>It's tough at times finding a product not made in China, but I use the free market to make my point.</p><p>Some people talk the talk when it comes to making a statement.  Very few actually walk the walk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People roll their eyes when I tell them I do n't buy products made in China .
I refuse to support a government with such an abusive human rights record.It 's tough at times finding a product not made in China , but I use the free market to make my point.Some people talk the talk when it comes to making a statement .
Very few actually walk the walk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People roll their eyes when I tell them I don't buy products made in China.
I refuse to support a government with such an abusive human rights record.It's tough at times finding a product not made in China, but I use the free market to make my point.Some people talk the talk when it comes to making a statement.
Very few actually walk the walk.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686684</id>
	<title>Re:Is anyone surprised?</title>
	<author>Hijacked Public</author>
	<datestamp>1270046280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't understand it either, mainly because I think the climate in China is closer to free market capitalism than the climate in the US. In relative terms China is a capitalist utopia, particularly from a producer's perspective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand it either , mainly because I think the climate in China is closer to free market capitalism than the climate in the US .
In relative terms China is a capitalist utopia , particularly from a producer 's perspective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand it either, mainly because I think the climate in China is closer to free market capitalism than the climate in the US.
In relative terms China is a capitalist utopia, particularly from a producer's perspective.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685856</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686756</id>
	<title>Re:Is anyone surprised?</title>
	<author>corbettw</author>
	<datestamp>1270046580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The argument is that capitalism would increase the general wealth of the nation. As wealth increased, living standards would increase. As living standards increased, a middle class would form. And that it would be that middle class that would lead the push for democracy and freedom.</p><p>Of course, this ignores the fact that stable democracies have, historically, been formed by pushes from an aristocratic regime focused on ensuring property rights and liberty for as many people as possible. Athens, Rome, Iceland, the UK, the US. All had this trait in common, at least in the beginning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The argument is that capitalism would increase the general wealth of the nation .
As wealth increased , living standards would increase .
As living standards increased , a middle class would form .
And that it would be that middle class that would lead the push for democracy and freedom.Of course , this ignores the fact that stable democracies have , historically , been formed by pushes from an aristocratic regime focused on ensuring property rights and liberty for as many people as possible .
Athens , Rome , Iceland , the UK , the US .
All had this trait in common , at least in the beginning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The argument is that capitalism would increase the general wealth of the nation.
As wealth increased, living standards would increase.
As living standards increased, a middle class would form.
And that it would be that middle class that would lead the push for democracy and freedom.Of course, this ignores the fact that stable democracies have, historically, been formed by pushes from an aristocratic regime focused on ensuring property rights and liberty for as many people as possible.
Athens, Rome, Iceland, the UK, the US.
All had this trait in common, at least in the beginning.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685856</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685874</id>
	<title>Hmm yeah</title>
	<author>Dunbal</author>
	<datestamp>1270041720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reminds me of all those emails I get from the head of the International Bank of Nigeria who somehow has to use hotmail/gmail/yahoo mail. Or how the "British National Lottery" also can't afford it's own mail server.</p><p>Seriously, "journalists" can't use anything but yahoo? Or even if they were limited to yahoo - they can't encrypt their email?</p><p>I suspect these "journalists" are just some "random group of people" and that the story is just more hype.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reminds me of all those emails I get from the head of the International Bank of Nigeria who somehow has to use hotmail/gmail/yahoo mail .
Or how the " British National Lottery " also ca n't afford it 's own mail server.Seriously , " journalists " ca n't use anything but yahoo ?
Or even if they were limited to yahoo - they ca n't encrypt their email ? I suspect these " journalists " are just some " random group of people " and that the story is just more hype .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reminds me of all those emails I get from the head of the International Bank of Nigeria who somehow has to use hotmail/gmail/yahoo mail.
Or how the "British National Lottery" also can't afford it's own mail server.Seriously, "journalists" can't use anything but yahoo?
Or even if they were limited to yahoo - they can't encrypt their email?I suspect these "journalists" are just some "random group of people" and that the story is just more hype.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686364</id>
	<title>At least this will never happen with Hotmail</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1270044720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean, they won't have to <em>hack</em> the accounts - MS will just meekly hand over the keys to "comply with local laws."</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , they wo n't have to hack the accounts - MS will just meekly hand over the keys to " comply with local laws .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, they won't have to hack the accounts - MS will just meekly hand over the keys to "comply with local laws.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686826</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Chinese!</title>
	<author>Asic Eng</author>
	<datestamp>1270046880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wiretapping at the ISP level isn't so convenient when the ISP is outside your jurisdiction. Some of the people attacked were based in Taiwan and the US. Also journalists often move around, so you might have to attack many ISPs in order to gain access. In this case it just makes more sense for the Chinese to attack webmail accounts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wiretapping at the ISP level is n't so convenient when the ISP is outside your jurisdiction .
Some of the people attacked were based in Taiwan and the US .
Also journalists often move around , so you might have to attack many ISPs in order to gain access .
In this case it just makes more sense for the Chinese to attack webmail accounts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wiretapping at the ISP level isn't so convenient when the ISP is outside your jurisdiction.
Some of the people attacked were based in Taiwan and the US.
Also journalists often move around, so you might have to attack many ISPs in order to gain access.
In this case it just makes more sense for the Chinese to attack webmail accounts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685834</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686062</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1270042920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>May I ask what brand of computer you are using that has no components made in China?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>May I ask what brand of computer you are using that has no components made in China ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>May I ask what brand of computer you are using that has no components made in China?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31703080</id>
	<title>Re:Is anyone surprised?</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1270117500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most people don't care. They love the cheap shit China produces.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people do n't care .
They love the cheap shit China produces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people don't care.
They love the cheap shit China produces.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685856</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686806</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>e2d2</author>
	<datestamp>1270046820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a Hemptronics 3000 with a bubbler CPU. I like how the glass turns colors over time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a Hemptronics 3000 with a bubbler CPU .
I like how the glass turns colors over time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a Hemptronics 3000 with a bubbler CPU.
I like how the glass turns colors over time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686062</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686192</id>
	<title>Yahoo, MS is poison</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1270043760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>With reports like "Yahoo 'helped jail China writer'" in 2005<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... would  most people with any public or private interest in China stay with Yahoo's products in any form after its "complicity" over the past years?<br>
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4221538.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4221538.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>With reports like " Yahoo 'helped jail China writer ' " in 2005 ... would most people with any public or private interest in China stay with Yahoo 's products in any form after its " complicity " over the past years ?
http : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4221538.stm [ bbc.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With reports like "Yahoo 'helped jail China writer'" in 2005 ... would  most people with any public or private interest in China stay with Yahoo's products in any form after its "complicity" over the past years?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4221538.stm [bbc.co.uk]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31687726</id>
	<title>Re:Is anyone surprised?</title>
	<author>labotux</author>
	<datestamp>1270050540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fact China is a dictatorship (one party only) doesn't mean it is a totalitarian state such as Causescu's Romania or North Korea. Chine was indeed totalitarian during cultural revolution but not anymore. Thus, the people of China, even subjected to censorship and 'official propaganda' have an opinion and can express it. There are several examples where the internet crowd probably changed some rulings.


Otherwise, if i hacked your email from France, what would you say about France ?

Such article and the repetition of such articles have one purpose : demonize China.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact China is a dictatorship ( one party only ) does n't mean it is a totalitarian state such as Causescu 's Romania or North Korea .
Chine was indeed totalitarian during cultural revolution but not anymore .
Thus , the people of China , even subjected to censorship and 'official propaganda ' have an opinion and can express it .
There are several examples where the internet crowd probably changed some rulings .
Otherwise , if i hacked your email from France , what would you say about France ?
Such article and the repetition of such articles have one purpose : demonize China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact China is a dictatorship (one party only) doesn't mean it is a totalitarian state such as Causescu's Romania or North Korea.
Chine was indeed totalitarian during cultural revolution but not anymore.
Thus, the people of China, even subjected to censorship and 'official propaganda' have an opinion and can express it.
There are several examples where the internet crowd probably changed some rulings.
Otherwise, if i hacked your email from France, what would you say about France ?
Such article and the repetition of such articles have one purpose : demonize China.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685856</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31688116</id>
	<title>Its a setup</title>
	<author>Zecheus</author>
	<datestamp>1270051920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Remember your lessons from spy school: it would be the pro-reform activists who would break into pro-reform data in order to implicate anti-reform entities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember your lessons from spy school : it would be the pro-reform activists who would break into pro-reform data in order to implicate anti-reform entities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember your lessons from spy school: it would be the pro-reform activists who would break into pro-reform data in order to implicate anti-reform entities.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685896</id>
	<title>Just helping the people</title>
	<author>irn</author>
	<datestamp>1270041840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This was obviously <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/17/0517245" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">just another step</a> [slashdot.org] in ridding the China-ternet of porn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This was obviously just another step [ slashdot.org ] in ridding the China-ternet of porn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was obviously just another step [slashdot.org] in ridding the China-ternet of porn.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31687528</id>
	<title>Re:Is anyone surprised?</title>
	<author>crunzh</author>
	<datestamp>1270049880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>China has ALLWAYS been a totalitarian state, the communist takeover in '49 was just a new regime in a long line of totalitarian regimes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>China has ALLWAYS been a totalitarian state , the communist takeover in '49 was just a new regime in a long line of totalitarian regimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China has ALLWAYS been a totalitarian state, the communist takeover in '49 was just a new regime in a long line of totalitarian regimes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685856</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31703340</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm yeah</title>
	<author>jon3k</author>
	<datestamp>1270120620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Freelance journalists would use free web based e-mail, possibly with <a href="http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/email/" title="yahoo.com">their own domain</a> [yahoo.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Freelance journalists would use free web based e-mail , possibly with their own domain [ yahoo.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Freelance journalists would use free web based e-mail, possibly with their own domain [yahoo.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685874</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31693164</id>
	<title>Re:Is anyone surprised?</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1270028940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China has rules and regulations, they just aren't enforced until there's a bit problem.   Then you, like everyone else, are in violation of some many laws you get an automatic death penalty.</p><p>For larger companies, who can't continue to operate under the radar, the government is ever-present.  You can't really have a large company without the Chinese government owning a major share of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China has rules and regulations , they just are n't enforced until there 's a bit problem .
Then you , like everyone else , are in violation of some many laws you get an automatic death penalty.For larger companies , who ca n't continue to operate under the radar , the government is ever-present .
You ca n't really have a large company without the Chinese government owning a major share of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China has rules and regulations, they just aren't enforced until there's a bit problem.
Then you, like everyone else, are in violation of some many laws you get an automatic death penalty.For larger companies, who can't continue to operate under the radar, the government is ever-present.
You can't really have a large company without the Chinese government owning a major share of it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686684</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31687738</id>
	<title>Re:Is anyone surprised?</title>
	<author>guanxi</author>
	<datestamp>1270050600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I never understood the argument that capitalism would lead to anything like democracy. Democracy [usually] leads to at least some level of capitalist/free-enterprise economy, but not the other way around.</i></p><p>There's some evidence for it: Chile, South Korea, and Taiwan are examples of countries that went from right-wing, capitalist dictatorships to democracies. The idea is that capitalism allows individuals to build wealth and make large investments (e.g., factories). Then, they have something to lose in the political process.</p><p>They don't want the government to appropriate their hard-earned assets. For example, who will invest millions of dollars and years of their life building a factory, if the government can take it away on a whim? Thus they want property rights, limited government, and influence over policy. They also want a stable, effective government, and the track record of democracy (all the most prosperous countries in the world) is very attractive.</p><p>It doesn't always work out, but having a middle class helps, also because they have time, skills, and money to spend on politics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never understood the argument that capitalism would lead to anything like democracy .
Democracy [ usually ] leads to at least some level of capitalist/free-enterprise economy , but not the other way around.There 's some evidence for it : Chile , South Korea , and Taiwan are examples of countries that went from right-wing , capitalist dictatorships to democracies .
The idea is that capitalism allows individuals to build wealth and make large investments ( e.g. , factories ) .
Then , they have something to lose in the political process.They do n't want the government to appropriate their hard-earned assets .
For example , who will invest millions of dollars and years of their life building a factory , if the government can take it away on a whim ?
Thus they want property rights , limited government , and influence over policy .
They also want a stable , effective government , and the track record of democracy ( all the most prosperous countries in the world ) is very attractive.It does n't always work out , but having a middle class helps , also because they have time , skills , and money to spend on politics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never understood the argument that capitalism would lead to anything like democracy.
Democracy [usually] leads to at least some level of capitalist/free-enterprise economy, but not the other way around.There's some evidence for it: Chile, South Korea, and Taiwan are examples of countries that went from right-wing, capitalist dictatorships to democracies.
The idea is that capitalism allows individuals to build wealth and make large investments (e.g., factories).
Then, they have something to lose in the political process.They don't want the government to appropriate their hard-earned assets.
For example, who will invest millions of dollars and years of their life building a factory, if the government can take it away on a whim?
Thus they want property rights, limited government, and influence over policy.
They also want a stable, effective government, and the track record of democracy (all the most prosperous countries in the world) is very attractive.It doesn't always work out, but having a middle class helps, also because they have time, skills, and money to spend on politics.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685856</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31692634</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270026960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No.  Do you know how many people are supportive of their current government in China?  I would not be surprised that government doesn't even need to do anything like hacking, the self-imposed nationalist will do it for them.  To quickest way to sort out human rights situation is through education, or kill off every nationalist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Do you know how many people are supportive of their current government in China ?
I would not be surprised that government does n't even need to do anything like hacking , the self-imposed nationalist will do it for them .
To quickest way to sort out human rights situation is through education , or kill off every nationalist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Do you know how many people are supportive of their current government in China?
I would not be surprised that government doesn't even need to do anything like hacking, the self-imposed nationalist will do it for them.
To quickest way to sort out human rights situation is through education, or kill off every nationalist.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686152</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686458</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm yeah</title>
	<author>Bearhouse</author>
	<datestamp>1270045260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A lot of freelance journalists use google and yahoo, as do many people who have professional mail accounts, but prefer to conduct private and/or personal business using a 'free' provider.  Do you really want a confidential source in China to risk sending info to *@nytimes.etc?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of freelance journalists use google and yahoo , as do many people who have professional mail accounts , but prefer to conduct private and/or personal business using a 'free ' provider .
Do you really want a confidential source in China to risk sending info to * @ nytimes.etc ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of freelance journalists use google and yahoo, as do many people who have professional mail accounts, but prefer to conduct private and/or personal business using a 'free' provider.
Do you really want a confidential source in China to risk sending info to *@nytimes.etc?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685874</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31687932</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>camg188</author>
	<datestamp>1270051200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's tough at times finding a product not made in China</p></div></blockquote><p>Indeed, but "Made in China" often actually means "Assembled in China".  Our global economy often makes your decision difficult. <br>For example, according to this article, <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/edmundconway/100002310/what-the-ipod-tells-us-about-britains-economic-future/" title="telegraph.co.uk">What the iPod tells us about Britain's economic future</a> [telegraph.co.uk], out of the $190 captured value for every iPod (made in China) sold in the US, China actually only earns $4. The rest of the captured value goes to countries where the retailer, product developer and high value component manufacturers are located, primarily the US and Japan.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's tough at times finding a product not made in ChinaIndeed , but " Made in China " often actually means " Assembled in China " .
Our global economy often makes your decision difficult .
For example , according to this article , What the iPod tells us about Britain 's economic future [ telegraph.co.uk ] , out of the $ 190 captured value for every iPod ( made in China ) sold in the US , China actually only earns $ 4 .
The rest of the captured value goes to countries where the retailer , product developer and high value component manufacturers are located , primarily the US and Japan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's tough at times finding a product not made in ChinaIndeed, but "Made in China" often actually means "Assembled in China".
Our global economy often makes your decision difficult.
For example, according to this article, What the iPod tells us about Britain's economic future [telegraph.co.uk], out of the $190 captured value for every iPod (made in China) sold in the US, China actually only earns $4.
The rest of the captured value goes to countries where the retailer, product developer and high value component manufacturers are located, primarily the US and Japan.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685998</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270042560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>I dont believe that the hardware you are writing from is not made in China.<br>They have the greatest power of all: economic power.<br>What if, some day, China stops exporting goods? The whole economy would hang, while China will still be self sufficient. Yes, they too would be hit stopping the economy cycle, but being foreseen I'm quite sure they could handle it much better than any other country.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont believe that the hardware you are writing from is not made in China.They have the greatest power of all : economic power.What if , some day , China stops exporting goods ?
The whole economy would hang , while China will still be self sufficient .
Yes , they too would be hit stopping the economy cycle , but being foreseen I 'm quite sure they could handle it much better than any other country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont believe that the hardware you are writing from is not made in China.They have the greatest power of all: economic power.What if, some day, China stops exporting goods?
The whole economy would hang, while China will still be self sufficient.
Yes, they too would be hit stopping the economy cycle, but being foreseen I'm quite sure they could handle it much better than any other country.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31693082</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>Skuld-Chan</author>
	<datestamp>1270028580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I try the best I can to buy American made products - or failing that products made in countries that have fair treatment of their employees, but I know for a fact you typed that message on a machine that has at least one Chinese component in it.</p><p>Even my Pegasos II (which was made in Germany) has some chips on it that were manufactured in China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I try the best I can to buy American made products - or failing that products made in countries that have fair treatment of their employees , but I know for a fact you typed that message on a machine that has at least one Chinese component in it.Even my Pegasos II ( which was made in Germany ) has some chips on it that were manufactured in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I try the best I can to buy American made products - or failing that products made in countries that have fair treatment of their employees, but I know for a fact you typed that message on a machine that has at least one Chinese component in it.Even my Pegasos II (which was made in Germany) has some chips on it that were manufactured in China.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685974</id>
	<title>Yahoo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270042440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I'm sorry, but if you use a Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail och any kind of crappy webmail throwaway account for anything serious, you had it coming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I 'm sorry , but if you use a Yahoo , Gmail , Hotmail och any kind of crappy webmail throwaway account for anything serious , you had it coming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I'm sorry, but if you use a Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail och any kind of crappy webmail throwaway account for anything serious, you had it coming.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31689248</id>
	<title>Google is still worse!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270056720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google uses your email to sell ads, then sells your name and address to door to door salesmen.  Google is much much more evil than China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google uses your email to sell ads , then sells your name and address to door to door salesmen .
Google is much much more evil than China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google uses your email to sell ads, then sells your name and address to door to door salesmen.
Google is much much more evil than China.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686152</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270043400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The quickest way to sort out the human rights situation in China is to create a population with enough of a stake in society for it to be worth standing up and be counted.  Free speech means very little when you're on the breadline.  Even if your boycott had any meaningful effect, it would just make government repression easier, not harder - and China is quite easily big enough to run a closed economy if it wanted to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The quickest way to sort out the human rights situation in China is to create a population with enough of a stake in society for it to be worth standing up and be counted .
Free speech means very little when you 're on the breadline .
Even if your boycott had any meaningful effect , it would just make government repression easier , not harder - and China is quite easily big enough to run a closed economy if it wanted to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The quickest way to sort out the human rights situation in China is to create a population with enough of a stake in society for it to be worth standing up and be counted.
Free speech means very little when you're on the breadline.
Even if your boycott had any meaningful effect, it would just make government repression easier, not harder - and China is quite easily big enough to run a closed economy if it wanted to.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31689708</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>c++0xFF</author>
	<datestamp>1270058700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean there are products <i>not</i> made in China?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean there are products not made in China ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean there are products not made in China?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31689354</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270057200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do the same as you whenever I can. Some articles I buy that are NOT from china are:<br>foodstuffs, shoes, clothes, but otherwise everything is from china. What about you?</p><p>I also make it a point to ask a store clerk if they have the same article that is not made in china. As expected I get the glazed eyes response, but I keep doing it anyway.</p><p>One thing I do that has ZERO effect on political policies, or global economics but makes me feel better, is to donate a little money to a local Tibetan association whenever I am forced to buy something that is made in china. I am told that some of that money makes its way back to a Tibetan refugee center in India... ah well better in a Tibetans pocket than<br>a communists.</p><p>Recently I had to buy an electric shaver... of the 3 brands I looked ALL were made in china, where labour is 80 cents per hour, but hey where everyone is communist, equal, and shares in everything right? It cost me $60, so I donated $10.</p><p>Now I do remember that about 5 years ago I could find one that was made in a democratic country and still cost me about $60. So how has the 80cents labour costs affected me? not much at all, things are just as or even more expensive...but did we really expect anything different?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do the same as you whenever I can .
Some articles I buy that are NOT from china are : foodstuffs , shoes , clothes , but otherwise everything is from china .
What about you ? I also make it a point to ask a store clerk if they have the same article that is not made in china .
As expected I get the glazed eyes response , but I keep doing it anyway.One thing I do that has ZERO effect on political policies , or global economics but makes me feel better , is to donate a little money to a local Tibetan association whenever I am forced to buy something that is made in china .
I am told that some of that money makes its way back to a Tibetan refugee center in India... ah well better in a Tibetans pocket thana communists.Recently I had to buy an electric shaver... of the 3 brands I looked ALL were made in china , where labour is 80 cents per hour , but hey where everyone is communist , equal , and shares in everything right ?
It cost me $ 60 , so I donated $ 10.Now I do remember that about 5 years ago I could find one that was made in a democratic country and still cost me about $ 60 .
So how has the 80cents labour costs affected me ?
not much at all , things are just as or even more expensive...but did we really expect anything different ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do the same as you whenever I can.
Some articles I buy that are NOT from china are:foodstuffs, shoes, clothes, but otherwise everything is from china.
What about you?I also make it a point to ask a store clerk if they have the same article that is not made in china.
As expected I get the glazed eyes response, but I keep doing it anyway.One thing I do that has ZERO effect on political policies, or global economics but makes me feel better, is to donate a little money to a local Tibetan association whenever I am forced to buy something that is made in china.
I am told that some of that money makes its way back to a Tibetan refugee center in India... ah well better in a Tibetans pocket thana communists.Recently I had to buy an electric shaver... of the 3 brands I looked ALL were made in china, where labour is 80 cents per hour, but hey where everyone is communist, equal, and shares in everything right?
It cost me $60, so I donated $10.Now I do remember that about 5 years ago I could find one that was made in a democratic country and still cost me about $60.
So how has the 80cents labour costs affected me?
not much at all, things are just as or even more expensive...but did we really expect anything different?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685834</id>
	<title>Damn Chinese!</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1270041420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't you know that you should do your wiretapping directly at the ISP level, like real Americans?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you know that you should do your wiretapping directly at the ISP level , like real Americans ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you know that you should do your wiretapping directly at the ISP level, like real Americans?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31687246</id>
	<title>Re:Is anyone surprised?</title>
	<author>jav1231</author>
	<datestamp>1270048800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>We should have shit-canned our trade with China when Tienanmen Square happened. Period. Everything after was hypocrisy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We should have shit-canned our trade with China when Tienanmen Square happened .
Period. Everything after was hypocrisy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We should have shit-canned our trade with China when Tienanmen Square happened.
Period. Everything after was hypocrisy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686094</id>
	<title>tub0girl</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270043040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">project somewhere may be hurting to the original JOIN THE GNAA!! th3 numbers. The Other members in</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>project somewhere may be hurting to the original JOIN THE GNAA ! !
th3 numbers .
The Other members in [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>project somewhere may be hurting to the original JOIN THE GNAA!!
th3 numbers.
The Other members in [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686126</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>dr-alves</author>
	<datestamp>1270043220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Very true.
<br> <br>
People seem to think of China as this troublesome country that does whatever it wants and that nothing can be done about it. This is simply not true.
<br> <br>
China is actually more dependent on US and EU than the other way around. They devote most resources to the production of products that need to be mandatorily exported as the the chinese masses cannot afford them.
<br> <br>
Corporations and states seem to ignore the blatant anti-freemarket and anti-freedom-speech-policies because of the el-dorado of the 2 bilion people market. WAKE UP. Chinese policy will never allow for free market, and will always be biased towards chinese products.
<br> <br>
To add insult to injury, in EU, chinese imports SIMPLY PAY NO TAXES, sinking the local producers in the process.
<br> <br>
So what can be done? Well western states can stop acting like slaves to their chinese overlords.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Very true .
People seem to think of China as this troublesome country that does whatever it wants and that nothing can be done about it .
This is simply not true .
China is actually more dependent on US and EU than the other way around .
They devote most resources to the production of products that need to be mandatorily exported as the the chinese masses can not afford them .
Corporations and states seem to ignore the blatant anti-freemarket and anti-freedom-speech-policies because of the el-dorado of the 2 bilion people market .
WAKE UP .
Chinese policy will never allow for free market , and will always be biased towards chinese products .
To add insult to injury , in EU , chinese imports SIMPLY PAY NO TAXES , sinking the local producers in the process .
So what can be done ?
Well western states can stop acting like slaves to their chinese overlords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very true.
People seem to think of China as this troublesome country that does whatever it wants and that nothing can be done about it.
This is simply not true.
China is actually more dependent on US and EU than the other way around.
They devote most resources to the production of products that need to be mandatorily exported as the the chinese masses cannot afford them.
Corporations and states seem to ignore the blatant anti-freemarket and anti-freedom-speech-policies because of the el-dorado of the 2 bilion people market.
WAKE UP.
Chinese policy will never allow for free market, and will always be biased towards chinese products.
To add insult to injury, in EU, chinese imports SIMPLY PAY NO TAXES, sinking the local producers in the process.
So what can be done?
Well western states can stop acting like slaves to their chinese overlords.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686102</id>
	<title>Re:Is anyone surprised?</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1270043100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>China is a totalitarian state. Has been since 949.</p></div><p>FTFY.  To an order of magnitude, anyways.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>China is a totalitarian state .
Has been since 949.FTFY .
To an order of magnitude , anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China is a totalitarian state.
Has been since 949.FTFY.
To an order of magnitude, anyways.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31687814</id>
	<title>They use webmail for confidential data?</title>
	<author>guanxi</author>
	<datestamp>1270050840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think I probably wrote the same thing when news of the GMail hacking allegations came out: Who is dumb enough to use a public webmail service for confidential email? Don't they have access to any good advice? Training? Or just think it through a little -- does Yahoo Mail seem like a secure place to store sensitive data?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I probably wrote the same thing when news of the GMail hacking allegations came out : Who is dumb enough to use a public webmail service for confidential email ?
Do n't they have access to any good advice ?
Training ? Or just think it through a little -- does Yahoo Mail seem like a secure place to store sensitive data ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I probably wrote the same thing when news of the GMail hacking allegations came out: Who is dumb enough to use a public webmail service for confidential email?
Don't they have access to any good advice?
Training? Or just think it through a little -- does Yahoo Mail seem like a secure place to store sensitive data?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31685906</id>
	<title>And again.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270041960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given Yahoo's previous history of cooperating with China, I doubt they are going to react as Google did. Unfortunatly. No, they'll just issue some statement about having improved their security and try to pretend this never happened.</p><p>A shame, as even the might of Google is as nothing compared to the Chinese government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given Yahoo 's previous history of cooperating with China , I doubt they are going to react as Google did .
Unfortunatly. No , they 'll just issue some statement about having improved their security and try to pretend this never happened.A shame , as even the might of Google is as nothing compared to the Chinese government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given Yahoo's previous history of cooperating with China, I doubt they are going to react as Google did.
Unfortunatly. No, they'll just issue some statement about having improved their security and try to pretend this never happened.A shame, as even the might of Google is as nothing compared to the Chinese government.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Is anyone surprised?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270041600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China is a totalitarian state.  Has been since 1949.  What free trade has done is to make it a rich totalitarian state instead of a poor one.  I never understood the argument that capitalism would lead to anything like democracy.  Democracy [usually] leads to at least some level of capitalist/free-enterprise economy, but not the other way around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China is a totalitarian state .
Has been since 1949 .
What free trade has done is to make it a rich totalitarian state instead of a poor one .
I never understood the argument that capitalism would lead to anything like democracy .
Democracy [ usually ] leads to at least some level of capitalist/free-enterprise economy , but not the other way around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China is a totalitarian state.
Has been since 1949.
What free trade has done is to make it a rich totalitarian state instead of a poor one.
I never understood the argument that capitalism would lead to anything like democracy.
Democracy [usually] leads to at least some level of capitalist/free-enterprise economy, but not the other way around.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31688410</id>
	<title>Re:So let's get this straight:</title>
	<author>Asic Eng</author>
	<datestamp>1270053060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>for 20 years now malware targets mostly DOS/Windows, yet these guys still use exactly that</i>
<p>
Like everyone else on the planet. Not that it matters whether you access webmail via Linux or via Windows.
</p><p>
<i>the main vector of malware coming in is via e-mail attachments, yet these guys keep clicking on them</i>
</p><p>
Webmail cracked - that's almost certainly not clicking-on-attachments territory, more likely poor password choice. Access to company servers from the inside (employees collaborating with the attackers) is another possible path of attack.
</p><p>
<i>signed e-mails and attachments would make reception thereof fairly safe, yet these guys have no idea about it</i> </p><p>
Works only on a node-to-node basis. If their contact doesn't have the tools, then they can't use it. Same applies to encryption obviously. Is PGP freely available in China? How long till the government detects that you are using PGP and takes you in for questioning solely based on that fact?
</p><p>
<i>but then these guys probably would feign complete ignorance and amazement over the fact, that especially the totalitarian governments of the world don't exactly work with white gloves</i> </p><p>
If the Chinese government attacks western computer systems, that's news. It might require a political response, that should be in the public discussion. Regardless, it's certainly worth reporting.
</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>...don't give a shit about your self-aggrandized ego of 'a journalist' and the hallowed freedom of press</i>
</p><p>
Freedom of the press is vital for my freedom and for yours. I think your disdain is completely inappropriate here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for 20 years now malware targets mostly DOS/Windows , yet these guys still use exactly that Like everyone else on the planet .
Not that it matters whether you access webmail via Linux or via Windows .
the main vector of malware coming in is via e-mail attachments , yet these guys keep clicking on them Webmail cracked - that 's almost certainly not clicking-on-attachments territory , more likely poor password choice .
Access to company servers from the inside ( employees collaborating with the attackers ) is another possible path of attack .
signed e-mails and attachments would make reception thereof fairly safe , yet these guys have no idea about it Works only on a node-to-node basis .
If their contact does n't have the tools , then they ca n't use it .
Same applies to encryption obviously .
Is PGP freely available in China ?
How long till the government detects that you are using PGP and takes you in for questioning solely based on that fact ?
but then these guys probably would feign complete ignorance and amazement over the fact , that especially the totalitarian governments of the world do n't exactly work with white gloves If the Chinese government attacks western computer systems , that 's news .
It might require a political response , that should be in the public discussion .
Regardless , it 's certainly worth reporting .
...do n't give a shit about your self-aggrandized ego of 'a journalist ' and the hallowed freedom of press Freedom of the press is vital for my freedom and for yours .
I think your disdain is completely inappropriate here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for 20 years now malware targets mostly DOS/Windows, yet these guys still use exactly that

Like everyone else on the planet.
Not that it matters whether you access webmail via Linux or via Windows.
the main vector of malware coming in is via e-mail attachments, yet these guys keep clicking on them

Webmail cracked - that's almost certainly not clicking-on-attachments territory, more likely poor password choice.
Access to company servers from the inside (employees collaborating with the attackers) is another possible path of attack.
signed e-mails and attachments would make reception thereof fairly safe, yet these guys have no idea about it 
Works only on a node-to-node basis.
If their contact doesn't have the tools, then they can't use it.
Same applies to encryption obviously.
Is PGP freely available in China?
How long till the government detects that you are using PGP and takes you in for questioning solely based on that fact?
but then these guys probably would feign complete ignorance and amazement over the fact, that especially the totalitarian governments of the world don't exactly work with white gloves 
If the Chinese government attacks western computer systems, that's news.
It might require a political response, that should be in the public discussion.
Regardless, it's certainly worth reporting.
...don't give a shit about your self-aggrandized ego of 'a journalist' and the hallowed freedom of press

Freedom of the press is vital for my freedom and for yours.
I think your disdain is completely inappropriate here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31693020</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1270028340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The quickest way to sort out the human rights situation in China is to create a population with enough of a stake in society for it to be worth standing up and be counted.</p></div></blockquote><p>Actually, the booming economy has undeniably lessened the popular unrest of the 80s, and the government sees it as necessary to ensure a continuously growing economy, to maintain their power over the people.</p><p>Almost every example in history of government overthrow is one of peoples being repressed and suffering.  Keeping them fat and happy tends to keep them from demanding more from their government, not the other way around.  Bread and Circuses is a decent example.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The quickest way to sort out the human rights situation in China is to create a population with enough of a stake in society for it to be worth standing up and be counted.Actually , the booming economy has undeniably lessened the popular unrest of the 80s , and the government sees it as necessary to ensure a continuously growing economy , to maintain their power over the people.Almost every example in history of government overthrow is one of peoples being repressed and suffering .
Keeping them fat and happy tends to keep them from demanding more from their government , not the other way around .
Bread and Circuses is a decent example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The quickest way to sort out the human rights situation in China is to create a population with enough of a stake in society for it to be worth standing up and be counted.Actually, the booming economy has undeniably lessened the popular unrest of the 80s, and the government sees it as necessary to ensure a continuously growing economy, to maintain their power over the people.Almost every example in history of government overthrow is one of peoples being repressed and suffering.
Keeping them fat and happy tends to keep them from demanding more from their government, not the other way around.
Bread and Circuses is a decent example.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_31_0346217.31686042</id>
	<title>Re:This is why you don't do business with China</title>
	<author>darku</author>
	<datestamp>1270042800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would refuse to buy products that use patented stuff if I were you. Then all of your furniture would be made out of wood by gypsies on the side of the road, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would refuse to buy products that use patented stuff if I were you .
Then all of your furniture would be made out of wood by gypsies on the side of the road , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would refuse to buy products that use patented stuff if I were you.
Then all of your furniture would be made out of wood by gypsies on the side of the road, right?</sentencetext>
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