<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_29_1645232</id>
	<title>Newzbin Usenet Indexer Liable For Copyright Infringement</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1269883320000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"The world's most popular Usenet indexing site, Newzbin, has been <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/high-court-finds-newzbin-liable-for-copyright-infringement-100329/">trounced in London's High Court by the movie studios</a>. Held liable for the infringements of its users, later this week Newzbin will be subjected to an injunction which will force it to filter out illegal copies of movies from its NZB index. From the article: 'Newzbin&rsquo;s help guides were referred to in the decision. They state that the site can help people find what they're looking for, "whether that be obscure music, tv shows, games or movies. Think of us as a TV guide, but we're a guide that applies to Usenet." ... Newzbin has members called "editors" who help to compile reports on material to be found on Usenet. Newzbin's own documentation was used to show that the site encouraged editors to post links to movies. The verdict notes that to assist editors useful links to IMDb and VCDQuality are provided, the latter being useful to provide information about "screeners."'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " The world 's most popular Usenet indexing site , Newzbin , has been trounced in London 's High Court by the movie studios .
Held liable for the infringements of its users , later this week Newzbin will be subjected to an injunction which will force it to filter out illegal copies of movies from its NZB index .
From the article : 'Newzbin    s help guides were referred to in the decision .
They state that the site can help people find what they 're looking for , " whether that be obscure music , tv shows , games or movies .
Think of us as a TV guide , but we 're a guide that applies to Usenet .
" ... Newzbin has members called " editors " who help to compile reports on material to be found on Usenet .
Newzbin 's own documentation was used to show that the site encouraged editors to post links to movies .
The verdict notes that to assist editors useful links to IMDb and VCDQuality are provided , the latter being useful to provide information about " screeners .
" ' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "The world's most popular Usenet indexing site, Newzbin, has been trounced in London's High Court by the movie studios.
Held liable for the infringements of its users, later this week Newzbin will be subjected to an injunction which will force it to filter out illegal copies of movies from its NZB index.
From the article: 'Newzbin’s help guides were referred to in the decision.
They state that the site can help people find what they're looking for, "whether that be obscure music, tv shows, games or movies.
Think of us as a TV guide, but we're a guide that applies to Usenet.
" ... Newzbin has members called "editors" who help to compile reports on material to be found on Usenet.
Newzbin's own documentation was used to show that the site encouraged editors to post links to movies.
The verdict notes that to assist editors useful links to IMDb and VCDQuality are provided, the latter being useful to provide information about "screeners.
"'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659568</id>
	<title>Standard Arguments:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269887760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A: Someone should go after (insert\_search\_engine)!<br>B: No, that's silly. (insert\_search\_engine) is a common carrier!<br>C: Negative. Common carrier status applies to ISPs.<br>D: Well, fundamentally, search engines should be common carriers and get protection.<br>E: Who cares? You people at Slashdot make me sick. You cover for the pirates. Why don't you respect copyright.<br>F: Copyright is too long. Take it back to a reasonable time, then people won't pirate like this. 10-15 years max.<br>G: Streisand Effect.</p><p>There we go, got most of my bases covered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A : Someone should go after ( insert \ _search \ _engine ) ! B : No , that 's silly .
( insert \ _search \ _engine ) is a common carrier ! C : Negative .
Common carrier status applies to ISPs.D : Well , fundamentally , search engines should be common carriers and get protection.E : Who cares ?
You people at Slashdot make me sick .
You cover for the pirates .
Why do n't you respect copyright.F : Copyright is too long .
Take it back to a reasonable time , then people wo n't pirate like this .
10-15 years max.G : Streisand Effect.There we go , got most of my bases covered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A: Someone should go after (insert\_search\_engine)!B: No, that's silly.
(insert\_search\_engine) is a common carrier!C: Negative.
Common carrier status applies to ISPs.D: Well, fundamentally, search engines should be common carriers and get protection.E: Who cares?
You people at Slashdot make me sick.
You cover for the pirates.
Why don't you respect copyright.F: Copyright is too long.
Take it back to a reasonable time, then people won't pirate like this.
10-15 years max.G: Streisand Effect.There we go, got most of my bases covered.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31662130</id>
	<title>Usenet?</title>
	<author>CohibaVancouver</author>
	<datestamp>1269856560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Usenet?  That thing still around?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Usenet ?
That thing still around ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Usenet?
That thing still around?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31666428</id>
	<title>You know what's hilarious?</title>
	<author>OrwellianLurker</author>
	<datestamp>1269883440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a pretty big pirate, and I have spent money to pirate things before. I've bought Rapidshare accounts, and such, so clearly my pirating isn't derived from my lack of will to pay anything. However, due to ridiculously high prices, DRM, and other annoying things that occur during my purchase (or as someone wittily noted, my "rental"), I am encouraged to pirate. I spend roughly $100 a year on tickets to movies at various theaters. I LOVE going to the movies. But I'm a college student with somewhat limited funds. I can't afford to get a ticket whenever I want to see a movie. So for some movies, I pirate and stay home. Does this take away money from the studios? Maybe, but I suspect my piracy has lead to a net gain for many producers and artists. If a better method of seeing movies was introduced, I would pirate less and spend more money that would go towards the creators and publishers (movies are expensive to make!). I would like to see some sort of membership at movie theaters that would allow me to see more movies without depleting all my funds. I would be happy to spend much more on media if the experience was better. I remember downloading some tracks from iTunes years ago, and after noticing how long it took to download individual tracks, I pirated them instead. The iTunes tracks came encumbered with DRM. The pirated tracks were DRM free and higher quality. I don't care if the big music studios go under. A microphone, a guitar, etc don't need big studios to reach large audiences these days (hell, even in the past really). Movies, on the other hand, aren't easily produced (especially movies like Avatar) and are often costly. Instead of treating me like a criminal, treat me like a goddamn aggrieved customers and I'll open my wallet to you again, and more often.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a pretty big pirate , and I have spent money to pirate things before .
I 've bought Rapidshare accounts , and such , so clearly my pirating is n't derived from my lack of will to pay anything .
However , due to ridiculously high prices , DRM , and other annoying things that occur during my purchase ( or as someone wittily noted , my " rental " ) , I am encouraged to pirate .
I spend roughly $ 100 a year on tickets to movies at various theaters .
I LOVE going to the movies .
But I 'm a college student with somewhat limited funds .
I ca n't afford to get a ticket whenever I want to see a movie .
So for some movies , I pirate and stay home .
Does this take away money from the studios ?
Maybe , but I suspect my piracy has lead to a net gain for many producers and artists .
If a better method of seeing movies was introduced , I would pirate less and spend more money that would go towards the creators and publishers ( movies are expensive to make ! ) .
I would like to see some sort of membership at movie theaters that would allow me to see more movies without depleting all my funds .
I would be happy to spend much more on media if the experience was better .
I remember downloading some tracks from iTunes years ago , and after noticing how long it took to download individual tracks , I pirated them instead .
The iTunes tracks came encumbered with DRM .
The pirated tracks were DRM free and higher quality .
I do n't care if the big music studios go under .
A microphone , a guitar , etc do n't need big studios to reach large audiences these days ( hell , even in the past really ) .
Movies , on the other hand , are n't easily produced ( especially movies like Avatar ) and are often costly .
Instead of treating me like a criminal , treat me like a goddamn aggrieved customers and I 'll open my wallet to you again , and more often .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a pretty big pirate, and I have spent money to pirate things before.
I've bought Rapidshare accounts, and such, so clearly my pirating isn't derived from my lack of will to pay anything.
However, due to ridiculously high prices, DRM, and other annoying things that occur during my purchase (or as someone wittily noted, my "rental"), I am encouraged to pirate.
I spend roughly $100 a year on tickets to movies at various theaters.
I LOVE going to the movies.
But I'm a college student with somewhat limited funds.
I can't afford to get a ticket whenever I want to see a movie.
So for some movies, I pirate and stay home.
Does this take away money from the studios?
Maybe, but I suspect my piracy has lead to a net gain for many producers and artists.
If a better method of seeing movies was introduced, I would pirate less and spend more money that would go towards the creators and publishers (movies are expensive to make!).
I would like to see some sort of membership at movie theaters that would allow me to see more movies without depleting all my funds.
I would be happy to spend much more on media if the experience was better.
I remember downloading some tracks from iTunes years ago, and after noticing how long it took to download individual tracks, I pirated them instead.
The iTunes tracks came encumbered with DRM.
The pirated tracks were DRM free and higher quality.
I don't care if the big music studios go under.
A microphone, a guitar, etc don't need big studios to reach large audiences these days (hell, even in the past really).
Movies, on the other hand, aren't easily produced (especially movies like Avatar) and are often costly.
Instead of treating me like a criminal, treat me like a goddamn aggrieved customers and I'll open my wallet to you again, and more often.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659950</id>
	<title>Re:Standard Arguments:</title>
	<author>Lunix Nutcase</author>
	<datestamp>1269889500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ISPs aren't and never have been common carriers.  This is a widespread falsity spread around by Slashdotters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ISPs are n't and never have been common carriers .
This is a widespread falsity spread around by Slashdotters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ISPs aren't and never have been common carriers.
This is a widespread falsity spread around by Slashdotters.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659568</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31663054</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1269860700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>1) will they get a copy of users search history (complete with creditcard logs linking them to the account)? (and no, I've never been a member)<br>2) when do they start going after the usenet providers themselves?</p></div><p>Yes ( and i bet its grounds for warrants to search your home/pc ), and looks like they are heading that direction now.</p><p>Gotta love getting in hot water decades later for doing something that was legal..   "you used usenet... that makes you a pirate"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) will they get a copy of users search history ( complete with creditcard logs linking them to the account ) ?
( and no , I 've never been a member ) 2 ) when do they start going after the usenet providers themselves ? Yes ( and i bet its grounds for warrants to search your home/pc ) , and looks like they are heading that direction now.Got ta love getting in hot water decades later for doing something that was legal.. " you used usenet... that makes you a pirate "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) will they get a copy of users search history (complete with creditcard logs linking them to the account)?
(and no, I've never been a member)2) when do they start going after the usenet providers themselves?Yes ( and i bet its grounds for warrants to search your home/pc ), and looks like they are heading that direction now.Gotta love getting in hot water decades later for doing something that was legal..   "you used usenet... that makes you a pirate"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660184</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>t0p</author>
	<datestamp>1269890520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The protocol isn't the problem.  The problem is someone profiting from the online availability of "infringing" material.  It's very difficult to portray yourself as a "content-agnostic" search engine merely enabling users to share files when you're turning over &pound;1 million a year.</p><p>What I find a little unsettling is the judge's critcism of Newzbin's takedown procedures.  From TFA:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Newzbin was also criticized for its &ldquo;delisting&rdquo; or notice and takedown procedures, which were referred to as a &ldquo;cosmetic&rdquo; and &ldquo;cumbersome&rdquo; mechanism designed to &ldquo;render it impractical&rdquo; for rights holders to have material removed.</p></div><p>While I have no personal knowledge of how "cumbersome" the procedure is, I don't see why it shouldn't be "cumbersome".  If an alleged rights-holder wants his alleged material removed from the index, why shouldn't he have to jump through a few hoops?  Why shouldn't the alleged rights-holder have to prove definitively that he owns the rights he claims?  If the takedown procedure were too streamlined and gave the alleged rights-holder too much benefit of the doubt we could end up with a situation where any tom dick or harry could make malicious complaints about content they don't own just to cause trouble for the site.  I can't just point at any car I like the look of, say "that's mine" and get the police to drag the driver out through the window.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The protocol is n't the problem .
The problem is someone profiting from the online availability of " infringing " material .
It 's very difficult to portray yourself as a " content-agnostic " search engine merely enabling users to share files when you 're turning over   1 million a year.What I find a little unsettling is the judge 's critcism of Newzbin 's takedown procedures .
From TFA : Newzbin was also criticized for its    delisting    or notice and takedown procedures , which were referred to as a    cosmetic    and    cumbersome    mechanism designed to    render it impractical    for rights holders to have material removed.While I have no personal knowledge of how " cumbersome " the procedure is , I do n't see why it should n't be " cumbersome " .
If an alleged rights-holder wants his alleged material removed from the index , why should n't he have to jump through a few hoops ?
Why should n't the alleged rights-holder have to prove definitively that he owns the rights he claims ?
If the takedown procedure were too streamlined and gave the alleged rights-holder too much benefit of the doubt we could end up with a situation where any tom dick or harry could make malicious complaints about content they do n't own just to cause trouble for the site .
I ca n't just point at any car I like the look of , say " that 's mine " and get the police to drag the driver out through the window .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The protocol isn't the problem.
The problem is someone profiting from the online availability of "infringing" material.
It's very difficult to portray yourself as a "content-agnostic" search engine merely enabling users to share files when you're turning over £1 million a year.What I find a little unsettling is the judge's critcism of Newzbin's takedown procedures.
From TFA:Newzbin was also criticized for its “delisting” or notice and takedown procedures, which were referred to as a “cosmetic” and “cumbersome” mechanism designed to “render it impractical” for rights holders to have material removed.While I have no personal knowledge of how "cumbersome" the procedure is, I don't see why it shouldn't be "cumbersome".
If an alleged rights-holder wants his alleged material removed from the index, why shouldn't he have to jump through a few hoops?
Why shouldn't the alleged rights-holder have to prove definitively that he owns the rights he claims?
If the takedown procedure were too streamlined and gave the alleged rights-holder too much benefit of the doubt we could end up with a situation where any tom dick or harry could make malicious complaints about content they don't own just to cause trouble for the site.
I can't just point at any car I like the look of, say "that's mine" and get the police to drag the driver out through the window.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659424</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660440</id>
	<title>Don't Get Caught, Derp!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269891960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Honestly, if you're going to base your <b>ENTIRE BUSINESS MODEL</b> around something illegal, don't fucking TALK about that shit! For God's sake! Ok look at Bernie Madoff, he successfully <b>didn't get caught</b> for decades, even when several very smart people were yelling at the FTC that what he was doing <b>had</b> to be fraud! How? He didn't talk about it! When the FTC came 'round and asked "Hey, are you defrauding people" he was all like "No!" and then he made fun of them for even asking and they felt so bad about questioning him about it, they just kind of wandered off.
<p>
The wrong way to go about basing your business around illegal stuff would be to, say, have meetings about how everything you're doing is completely illegal and then sending your meeting minutes to the ISO auditors. That always leads to questions like "This bit here about where you're illegally benefiting from copyright infringement... what's that about?" It goes downhill from there.
</p><p>
If you're uncomfortable being compared to Bernie Madoff perhaps you should consider a career in something less illegal. The rest of you, only have meetings about your illegal stuff in the bathroom with the water running and don't keep minutes of those meetings! For fuck's sake... This isn't rocket science people!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , if you 're going to base your ENTIRE BUSINESS MODEL around something illegal , do n't fucking TALK about that shit !
For God 's sake !
Ok look at Bernie Madoff , he successfully did n't get caught for decades , even when several very smart people were yelling at the FTC that what he was doing had to be fraud !
How ? He did n't talk about it !
When the FTC came 'round and asked " Hey , are you defrauding people " he was all like " No !
" and then he made fun of them for even asking and they felt so bad about questioning him about it , they just kind of wandered off .
The wrong way to go about basing your business around illegal stuff would be to , say , have meetings about how everything you 're doing is completely illegal and then sending your meeting minutes to the ISO auditors .
That always leads to questions like " This bit here about where you 're illegally benefiting from copyright infringement... what 's that about ?
" It goes downhill from there .
If you 're uncomfortable being compared to Bernie Madoff perhaps you should consider a career in something less illegal .
The rest of you , only have meetings about your illegal stuff in the bathroom with the water running and do n't keep minutes of those meetings !
For fuck 's sake... This is n't rocket science people !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, if you're going to base your ENTIRE BUSINESS MODEL around something illegal, don't fucking TALK about that shit!
For God's sake!
Ok look at Bernie Madoff, he successfully didn't get caught for decades, even when several very smart people were yelling at the FTC that what he was doing had to be fraud!
How? He didn't talk about it!
When the FTC came 'round and asked "Hey, are you defrauding people" he was all like "No!
" and then he made fun of them for even asking and they felt so bad about questioning him about it, they just kind of wandered off.
The wrong way to go about basing your business around illegal stuff would be to, say, have meetings about how everything you're doing is completely illegal and then sending your meeting minutes to the ISO auditors.
That always leads to questions like "This bit here about where you're illegally benefiting from copyright infringement... what's that about?
" It goes downhill from there.
If you're uncomfortable being compared to Bernie Madoff perhaps you should consider a career in something less illegal.
The rest of you, only have meetings about your illegal stuff in the bathroom with the water running and don't keep minutes of those meetings!
For fuck's sake... This isn't rocket science people!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31662292</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>tecnico.hitos</author>
	<datestamp>1269857220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What if it isn't commercially available anymore?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if it is n't commercially available anymore ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if it isn't commercially available anymore?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660058</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660342</id>
	<title>When will people learn</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1269891300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or - why are people are so stupid.</p><p>If you write about breaking the law on your site, you are going to get nailed soon or later.</p><p>We've seen that again and again - its not that they are overlooking you, its that THEY are overworked and haven't gotten around to you yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or - why are people are so stupid.If you write about breaking the law on your site , you are going to get nailed soon or later.We 've seen that again and again - its not that they are overlooking you , its that THEY are overworked and have n't gotten around to you yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or - why are people are so stupid.If you write about breaking the law on your site, you are going to get nailed soon or later.We've seen that again and again - its not that they are overlooking you, its that THEY are overworked and haven't gotten around to you yet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659682</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269888240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean, SFTP, right??</p><p>Those who download copyrighted content via NNTP are simply hiding by obscurity. Most of the public doesn't know about NNTP nor is it a "simple" (simple as in guntella,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent) method of file sharing. I personally believe that the RIAA/MPAA went after the wrong protocol by attacking torrent and P2P networks when all along those who "know" know that if you want to kill the beast you need to cut off the head (or in this case, the backbone). NNTP also allows for advanced encryption schemes and large amounts of bandwidth. It's a pirate's haven.</p><p>The issue with attacking NNTP has been that those who run NNTP services don't control the content whatsoever. They aren't held responsible for what's uploaded to their servers, and I think this is a fundamental issue with regarding net-neutrality.</p><p>Usenet is sort of a micro-chasm of the entire internet. Servers host files and peers download and upload data as needed. The servers, in this case, represent the free internet. Unregulated. This is the beginning of effective attempts by the RIAA/MPAA to get their proverbial hands into the Usenet system and restrict it. They'll start on the outside and work their way in to core services, all in the name of protecting "American IP" (read: profits).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean , SFTP , right ?
? Those who download copyrighted content via NNTP are simply hiding by obscurity .
Most of the public does n't know about NNTP nor is it a " simple " ( simple as in guntella , .torrent ) method of file sharing .
I personally believe that the RIAA/MPAA went after the wrong protocol by attacking torrent and P2P networks when all along those who " know " know that if you want to kill the beast you need to cut off the head ( or in this case , the backbone ) .
NNTP also allows for advanced encryption schemes and large amounts of bandwidth .
It 's a pirate 's haven.The issue with attacking NNTP has been that those who run NNTP services do n't control the content whatsoever .
They are n't held responsible for what 's uploaded to their servers , and I think this is a fundamental issue with regarding net-neutrality.Usenet is sort of a micro-chasm of the entire internet .
Servers host files and peers download and upload data as needed .
The servers , in this case , represent the free internet .
Unregulated. This is the beginning of effective attempts by the RIAA/MPAA to get their proverbial hands into the Usenet system and restrict it .
They 'll start on the outside and work their way in to core services , all in the name of protecting " American IP " ( read : profits ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean, SFTP, right?
?Those who download copyrighted content via NNTP are simply hiding by obscurity.
Most of the public doesn't know about NNTP nor is it a "simple" (simple as in guntella, .torrent) method of file sharing.
I personally believe that the RIAA/MPAA went after the wrong protocol by attacking torrent and P2P networks when all along those who "know" know that if you want to kill the beast you need to cut off the head (or in this case, the backbone).
NNTP also allows for advanced encryption schemes and large amounts of bandwidth.
It's a pirate's haven.The issue with attacking NNTP has been that those who run NNTP services don't control the content whatsoever.
They aren't held responsible for what's uploaded to their servers, and I think this is a fundamental issue with regarding net-neutrality.Usenet is sort of a micro-chasm of the entire internet.
Servers host files and peers download and upload data as needed.
The servers, in this case, represent the free internet.
Unregulated. This is the beginning of effective attempts by the RIAA/MPAA to get their proverbial hands into the Usenet system and restrict it.
They'll start on the outside and work their way in to core services, all in the name of protecting "American IP" (read: profits).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659424</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31661406</id>
	<title>Re:Help guides refer to COPYRIGHTED movie download</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1269853260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Just because it's a movie doesn't mean the MPAA owns it.</i> </p><p>The MPAA is a trade association. It doesn't "own" anything." Members are drawn form the "big six" studios"</p><p>20th Century Fox<br>Walt Disney<br>Sony Pictures<br>Paramount (Viacom)<br>Universal<br>Warner</p><p>But you'll most likely discover the independent studio has signed on to the MPAA's rating and title registration services. You can't copyright a title, but you can protect it by contract.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because it 's a movie does n't mean the MPAA owns it .
The MPAA is a trade association .
It does n't " own " anything .
" Members are drawn form the " big six " studios " 20th Century FoxWalt DisneySony PicturesParamount ( Viacom ) UniversalWarnerBut you 'll most likely discover the independent studio has signed on to the MPAA 's rating and title registration services .
You ca n't copyright a title , but you can protect it by contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because it's a movie doesn't mean the MPAA owns it.
The MPAA is a trade association.
It doesn't "own" anything.
" Members are drawn form the "big six" studios"20th Century FoxWalt DisneySony PicturesParamount (Viacom)UniversalWarnerBut you'll most likely discover the independent studio has signed on to the MPAA's rating and title registration services.
You can't copyright a title, but you can protect it by contract.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659612</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31663942</id>
	<title>Re:Standard Arguments:</title>
	<author>Nerdfest</author>
	<datestamp>1269865740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well they damn well should be.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well they damn well should be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well they damn well should be.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659950</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660928</id>
	<title>Does Usenet still need tiny size limits on files?</title>
	<author>nuckfuts</author>
	<datestamp>1269893880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason that NZB's even exist is that large files uploaded to Usenet get broken up into a ridiculous number of small fragments. It then becomes a chore to locate and reassemble all the pieces.</p><p>Bandwidth and storage capacities have increased tremendously over the years that Usenet has been around. Why do people who operate NNTP servers still impose such restrictive limits on file size?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason that NZB 's even exist is that large files uploaded to Usenet get broken up into a ridiculous number of small fragments .
It then becomes a chore to locate and reassemble all the pieces.Bandwidth and storage capacities have increased tremendously over the years that Usenet has been around .
Why do people who operate NNTP servers still impose such restrictive limits on file size ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason that NZB's even exist is that large files uploaded to Usenet get broken up into a ridiculous number of small fragments.
It then becomes a chore to locate and reassemble all the pieces.Bandwidth and storage capacities have increased tremendously over the years that Usenet has been around.
Why do people who operate NNTP servers still impose such restrictive limits on file size?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659504</id>
	<title>Intent</title>
	<author>GPLDAN</author>
	<datestamp>1269887460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isohunt is treading the same line, you can go to Isohunt's main page and read up on the legal fights. Much of it has to do with the perception that it is actively aiding users in finding or distributing  illegal content. It's the equivalent, here in Chicago, to the old Maxwell Street market. Everybody knew if you lost your hubcaps, you went to Maxwell Street to buy them back. But as long as the street organizers themselves kept up some semblance of actual legit commerce, they city turned a blind eye. <br> <br>
<a href="http://home.netcom.com/~cowdery/maxwell/mamoser.html" title="netcom.com">http://home.netcom.com/~cowdery/maxwell/mamoser.html</a> [netcom.com] <br> <br>
In this case, Usenet contains what I affectionately call a "Rared Sale" (get it?) - where everything is less than a quarter. In fact, it's free! And as long as we all remember the First Rule of Usenet: Nobody talks about Usenet, then it's all fine. Apparently, these blokes forgot that rule.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Isohunt is treading the same line , you can go to Isohunt 's main page and read up on the legal fights .
Much of it has to do with the perception that it is actively aiding users in finding or distributing illegal content .
It 's the equivalent , here in Chicago , to the old Maxwell Street market .
Everybody knew if you lost your hubcaps , you went to Maxwell Street to buy them back .
But as long as the street organizers themselves kept up some semblance of actual legit commerce , they city turned a blind eye .
http : //home.netcom.com/ ~ cowdery/maxwell/mamoser.html [ netcom.com ] In this case , Usenet contains what I affectionately call a " Rared Sale " ( get it ?
) - where everything is less than a quarter .
In fact , it 's free !
And as long as we all remember the First Rule of Usenet : Nobody talks about Usenet , then it 's all fine .
Apparently , these blokes forgot that rule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isohunt is treading the same line, you can go to Isohunt's main page and read up on the legal fights.
Much of it has to do with the perception that it is actively aiding users in finding or distributing  illegal content.
It's the equivalent, here in Chicago, to the old Maxwell Street market.
Everybody knew if you lost your hubcaps, you went to Maxwell Street to buy them back.
But as long as the street organizers themselves kept up some semblance of actual legit commerce, they city turned a blind eye.
http://home.netcom.com/~cowdery/maxwell/mamoser.html [netcom.com]  
In this case, Usenet contains what I affectionately call a "Rared Sale" (get it?
) - where everything is less than a quarter.
In fact, it's free!
And as long as we all remember the First Rule of Usenet: Nobody talks about Usenet, then it's all fine.
Apparently, these blokes forgot that rule.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659738</id>
	<title>HA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269888480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nice try, MPAA!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice try , MPAA !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice try, MPAA!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31661964</id>
	<title>Re:Recommendations for an Indexing service?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269855720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what instructions you'll get from anyone given that message:</p><p>1. Buy a gun<br>2. Point the gun at your head<br>3. Pull trigger</p><p>(Jneavat! Qb ABG ybnq gur tha.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what instructions you 'll get from anyone given that message : 1 .
Buy a gun2 .
Point the gun at your head3 .
Pull trigger ( Jneavat !
Qb ABG ybnq gur tha .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what instructions you'll get from anyone given that message:1.
Buy a gun2.
Point the gun at your head3.
Pull trigger(Jneavat!
Qb ABG ybnq gur tha.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659840</id>
	<title>Re:Intent</title>
	<author>Aladrin</author>
	<datestamp>1269888960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, Newzbin -is- actively helping.  They have 'editors' that go through the raw data and form indexed downloads manually and filter out serial numbers.</p><p>I'm not condemning the service, just saying that it's not 100\% passive like Google or isoHunt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , Newzbin -is- actively helping .
They have 'editors ' that go through the raw data and form indexed downloads manually and filter out serial numbers.I 'm not condemning the service , just saying that it 's not 100 \ % passive like Google or isoHunt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, Newzbin -is- actively helping.
They have 'editors' that go through the raw data and form indexed downloads manually and filter out serial numbers.I'm not condemning the service, just saying that it's not 100\% passive like Google or isoHunt.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659504</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660386</id>
	<title>I don't get it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269891600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Not all movies are illegal.  Some don't contain "objectionable content".  Some - mostly the kind I'm rediscovering - have elapsed the protection of copyright.
</p><p>
What sites like Newzbin do is provide a central repository for content owners to search for infringing content.  If I had my book/movie/video game being pirated, believe me, I would find sites like this very helpful in shutting down the uploaders.  At least, those within the relevant legal jurisdiction.
</p><p>
Even the police like an anonymous tip.  It's almost as if the content cartels *WANT* you to pirate their content, so they can then sue you for ridiculous amounts of money. (Why get 99 cents a song, when you can get statutory damages of a few hundred thousand dollars?)
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not all movies are illegal .
Some do n't contain " objectionable content " .
Some - mostly the kind I 'm rediscovering - have elapsed the protection of copyright .
What sites like Newzbin do is provide a central repository for content owners to search for infringing content .
If I had my book/movie/video game being pirated , believe me , I would find sites like this very helpful in shutting down the uploaders .
At least , those within the relevant legal jurisdiction .
Even the police like an anonymous tip .
It 's almost as if the content cartels * WANT * you to pirate their content , so they can then sue you for ridiculous amounts of money .
( Why get 99 cents a song , when you can get statutory damages of a few hundred thousand dollars ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Not all movies are illegal.
Some don't contain "objectionable content".
Some - mostly the kind I'm rediscovering - have elapsed the protection of copyright.
What sites like Newzbin do is provide a central repository for content owners to search for infringing content.
If I had my book/movie/video game being pirated, believe me, I would find sites like this very helpful in shutting down the uploaders.
At least, those within the relevant legal jurisdiction.
Even the police like an anonymous tip.
It's almost as if the content cartels *WANT* you to pirate their content, so they can then sue you for ridiculous amounts of money.
(Why get 99 cents a song, when you can get statutory damages of a few hundred thousand dollars?
)
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659958</id>
	<title>Re:Damnit!!</title>
	<author>muppetman462</author>
	<datestamp>1269889560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Umm....No.....only thing is doing is messing up a great service.  I wonder if the MPAA is going to go after Google now because you can search for nzb files via google......</htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm....No.....only thing is doing is messing up a great service .
I wonder if the MPAA is going to go after Google now because you can search for nzb files via google..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm....No.....only thing is doing is messing up a great service.
I wonder if the MPAA is going to go after Google now because you can search for nzb files via google......</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659824</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31662648</id>
	<title>Re:Don't Get Caught, Derp!</title>
	<author>MattskEE</author>
	<datestamp>1269858660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(Obligatory Office Space quote)</p><p>MICHAEL<br>I wish we had never done this. What are we going to do? You know what I<br>can't figure out? How is it that all these stupid, Neanderthal, Mafia<br>guys can be so good at crime and smart guys like us can suck so badly<br>at it?</p><p>SAMIR<br>We're new to it, though. If we had more experience -</p><p>MICHAEL<br>No. No. Y'know what I think? I think we're screwed. There's evidence<br>all over that building to link it to us. Even if we could launder<br>money, I wouldn't want to. If we're caught while laundering money,<br>we're not going to go to white-collar-resort-prison. No, no, no. We're<br>gonna go to federal-reserve-pound-me-in-the-ass-prison.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( Obligatory Office Space quote ) MICHAELI wish we had never done this .
What are we going to do ?
You know what Ica n't figure out ?
How is it that all these stupid , Neanderthal , Mafiaguys can be so good at crime and smart guys like us can suck so badlyat it ? SAMIRWe 're new to it , though .
If we had more experience -MICHAELNo .
No. Y'know what I think ?
I think we 're screwed .
There 's evidenceall over that building to link it to us .
Even if we could laundermoney , I would n't want to .
If we 're caught while laundering money,we 're not going to go to white-collar-resort-prison .
No , no , no .
We'regonna go to federal-reserve-pound-me-in-the-ass-prison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Obligatory Office Space quote)MICHAELI wish we had never done this.
What are we going to do?
You know what Ican't figure out?
How is it that all these stupid, Neanderthal, Mafiaguys can be so good at crime and smart guys like us can suck so badlyat it?SAMIRWe're new to it, though.
If we had more experience -MICHAELNo.
No. Y'know what I think?
I think we're screwed.
There's evidenceall over that building to link it to us.
Even if we could laundermoney, I wouldn't want to.
If we're caught while laundering money,we're not going to go to white-collar-resort-prison.
No, no, no.
We'regonna go to federal-reserve-pound-me-in-the-ass-prison.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660440</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659424</id>
	<title>Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>Junior J. Junior III</author>
	<datestamp>1269887160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Time to migrate to a new protocol.  What's next, FTP?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time to migrate to a new protocol .
What 's next , FTP ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time to migrate to a new protocol.
What's next, FTP?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31661720</id>
	<title>Simple Solution: Encrypt header titles = Fun</title>
	<author>Jackie\_Chan\_Fan</author>
	<datestamp>1269854640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All anyone would need to do is simply encrypt header titles that are only viewable in specific programs correctly</p><p>Then they cant filter them.... and you know they dont want to filter them anyways<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>First rule about Usenet... dont talk about Usenet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All anyone would need to do is simply encrypt header titles that are only viewable in specific programs correctlyThen they cant filter them.... and you know they dont want to filter them anyways ; ) First rule about Usenet... dont talk about Usenet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All anyone would need to do is simply encrypt header titles that are only viewable in specific programs correctlyThen they cant filter them.... and you know they dont want to filter them anyways ;)First rule about Usenet... dont talk about Usenet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659564</id>
	<title>was only a matter of time..</title>
	<author>BitwiseX</author>
	<datestamp>1269887760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But as usual the cart is put in front of the horse.<br>
<br>
I could take my house off of every map in existence.. and you'll still be able to find my house if you've been there. <br>
If you don't going to go after illegal content, go after ILLEGAL <b>CONTENT!</b>  If the content is there it will be found.. no matter how many signs and arrows to it you remove.
<br> <br>
Here we go again..</htmltext>
<tokenext>But as usual the cart is put in front of the horse .
I could take my house off of every map in existence.. and you 'll still be able to find my house if you 've been there .
If you do n't going to go after illegal content , go after ILLEGAL CONTENT !
If the content is there it will be found.. no matter how many signs and arrows to it you remove .
Here we go again. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But as usual the cart is put in front of the horse.
I could take my house off of every map in existence.. and you'll still be able to find my house if you've been there.
If you don't going to go after illegal content, go after ILLEGAL CONTENT!
If the content is there it will be found.. no matter how many signs and arrows to it you remove.
Here we go again..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31661418</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269853260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>how about you actually stop ripping off the people who make original content and open your fucjing wallet you sad little tight-ass freeloader?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how about you actually stop ripping off the people who make original content and open your fucjing wallet you sad little tight-ass freeloader ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how about you actually stop ripping off the people who make original content and open your fucjing wallet you sad little tight-ass freeloader?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659424</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31662578</id>
	<title>Usenet is safer than torrenting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269858360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if you get caught downloading copyrighted material this is equivalent to buying counterfeit copies from the street (well except you're not paying for it). In that case the MAFIAA can't get thousands of dollars from you as you only made one copy for yourself, unlike in torrenting where by downloading you also create copies for others.</p><p>So the worst case scenario is you get a fine plus a slap on the wrist, but nothing like the ridiculous settlements those college kids were forced into<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if you get caught downloading copyrighted material this is equivalent to buying counterfeit copies from the street ( well except you 're not paying for it ) .
In that case the MAFIAA ca n't get thousands of dollars from you as you only made one copy for yourself , unlike in torrenting where by downloading you also create copies for others.So the worst case scenario is you get a fine plus a slap on the wrist , but nothing like the ridiculous settlements those college kids were forced into ...Right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if you get caught downloading copyrighted material this is equivalent to buying counterfeit copies from the street (well except you're not paying for it).
In that case the MAFIAA can't get thousands of dollars from you as you only made one copy for yourself, unlike in torrenting where by downloading you also create copies for others.So the worst case scenario is you get a fine plus a slap on the wrist, but nothing like the ridiculous settlements those college kids were forced into ...Right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659502</id>
	<title>The Pirate Barge?</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1269887460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, who's with me? I can offer my skills and craftsmanship in constructing the datacenter bays, but I admit my passion lies in defense (I have several working designs for Phalanx style turrets, as well as mortar and rocket launchers).</p><p>

We should attempt to procure some satcom equipment, or worst case scenario some microwave/radioLAN gear. Seriously, who's with me?! YARRRRRRRR!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , who 's with me ?
I can offer my skills and craftsmanship in constructing the datacenter bays , but I admit my passion lies in defense ( I have several working designs for Phalanx style turrets , as well as mortar and rocket launchers ) .
We should attempt to procure some satcom equipment , or worst case scenario some microwave/radioLAN gear .
Seriously , who 's with me ? !
YARRRRRRRR !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, who's with me?
I can offer my skills and craftsmanship in constructing the datacenter bays, but I admit my passion lies in defense (I have several working designs for Phalanx style turrets, as well as mortar and rocket launchers).
We should attempt to procure some satcom equipment, or worst case scenario some microwave/radioLAN gear.
Seriously, who's with me?!
YARRRRRRRR!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659736</id>
	<title>Pointless fight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269888480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The more you tighten your grip, Shapiro, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The more you tighten your grip , Shapiro , the more star systems will slip through your fingers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The more you tighten your grip, Shapiro, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31668850</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>dargaud</author>
	<datestamp>1269955380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, who has invitations for newzbin so we can evaluate if those piracy claims have any validity in them, heh ?!?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , who has invitations for newzbin so we can evaluate if those piracy claims have any validity in them , heh ? !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, who has invitations for newzbin so we can evaluate if those piracy claims have any validity in them, heh ?!
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659802</id>
	<title>The shutdown of freedom, need for adhoc internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269888780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Splintering the internet by language(check) ban of proxies(in the works) usenet targeted for destruction (suspected)
<br> Money and bought politicians will strive to plug any holes in the internet beyond government control. <br>This is why
adhoc wireless is so important.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Splintering the internet by language ( check ) ban of proxies ( in the works ) usenet targeted for destruction ( suspected ) Money and bought politicians will strive to plug any holes in the internet beyond government control .
This is why adhoc wireless is so important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Splintering the internet by language(check) ban of proxies(in the works) usenet targeted for destruction (suspected)
 Money and bought politicians will strive to plug any holes in the internet beyond government control.
This is why
adhoc wireless is so important.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31661524</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269853860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RTFA. We're talking about <strong>movies</strong> here, not music.  Even if you buy it, if you <em>also</em> want to watch it, then you still need to either remove the DRM or pirate it.</p><p>If it's just DVDs, removing the DRM is fine.  It's illegal in many countries but it's easy and you won't ever get caught.  But as soon as you start talking about Blu-Rays, removing the DRM is enough of a pain in the ass that you might as well pirate it.  And once you've decided to pirate it, I think most people will then stop and say, "Wait, if I have to pirate it, why bother to pay for it?"</p><p>Buying it and pirating it aren't really exclusive whenever DRM is involved; in fact you'd expect a lot of overlap.  It's just that, for most users, you also wouldn't expect the overlap to last very long.</p><p>"How about buying it?"  Been there, done that, it didn't help.  DRM =&gt; Piracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RTFA .
We 're talking about movies here , not music .
Even if you buy it , if you also want to watch it , then you still need to either remove the DRM or pirate it.If it 's just DVDs , removing the DRM is fine .
It 's illegal in many countries but it 's easy and you wo n't ever get caught .
But as soon as you start talking about Blu-Rays , removing the DRM is enough of a pain in the ass that you might as well pirate it .
And once you 've decided to pirate it , I think most people will then stop and say , " Wait , if I have to pirate it , why bother to pay for it ?
" Buying it and pirating it are n't really exclusive whenever DRM is involved ; in fact you 'd expect a lot of overlap .
It 's just that , for most users , you also would n't expect the overlap to last very long .
" How about buying it ?
" Been there , done that , it did n't help .
DRM = &gt; Piracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RTFA.
We're talking about movies here, not music.
Even if you buy it, if you also want to watch it, then you still need to either remove the DRM or pirate it.If it's just DVDs, removing the DRM is fine.
It's illegal in many countries but it's easy and you won't ever get caught.
But as soon as you start talking about Blu-Rays, removing the DRM is enough of a pain in the ass that you might as well pirate it.
And once you've decided to pirate it, I think most people will then stop and say, "Wait, if I have to pirate it, why bother to pay for it?
"Buying it and pirating it aren't really exclusive whenever DRM is involved; in fact you'd expect a lot of overlap.
It's just that, for most users, you also wouldn't expect the overlap to last very long.
"How about buying it?
"  Been there, done that, it didn't help.
DRM =&gt; Piracy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31663036</id>
	<title>The battle of freedom</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1269860580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are losing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are losing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are losing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31661782</id>
	<title>Cool!</title>
	<author>gilgongo</author>
	<datestamp>1269854880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Until now, I'd never heard of Newzbin. Now I know about this "usenet" thing you speak of, I will investigate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until now , I 'd never heard of Newzbin .
Now I know about this " usenet " thing you speak of , I will investigate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until now, I'd never heard of Newzbin.
Now I know about this "usenet" thing you speak of, I will investigate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659698</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269888300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's nothing wrong with the protocol. Newzbin are an indexing site; one of many. In their case, they provided a commercial service for hand-categorized nzbs, which are pretty analogous to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent files, from a legal point of view at least. That they had categories labelled up for 'screener', 'R5', 'Warez' etc etc along with the documentation explicitly advising editors how to post infringing material.</p><p>What's interesting is that they've not been threatened with shut down or massive fines yet, unlike the pirate bay; as far as I'm aware, <a href="http://www.chillingeffects.org/piracy/faq.cgi#QID268" title="chillingeffects.org">contributory infringement</a> [chillingeffects.org] is illegal in the UK.</p><p>So while Newsbin's nzb files will live on as the standard method of collating binary files on usenet, the site itself is destined to be filtered into 'uselessness' (see mininova) even if it isn't shut down with a followup judgement. I expect a number of other indexing sites to spring up, and a number of the existing ones to grow larger - probably hosted in countries that aren't quite so pro-copyright holders as the UK, especially if they don't have contributory copyright infringement laws common in the US and western Europe.</p><p>Two thoughts spring to mind;<br>1) will they get a copy of users search history (complete with creditcard logs linking them to the account)? (and no, I've never been a member)<br>2) when do they start going after the usenet providers themselves?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's nothing wrong with the protocol .
Newzbin are an indexing site ; one of many .
In their case , they provided a commercial service for hand-categorized nzbs , which are pretty analogous to .torrent files , from a legal point of view at least .
That they had categories labelled up for 'screener ' , 'R5 ' , 'Warez ' etc etc along with the documentation explicitly advising editors how to post infringing material.What 's interesting is that they 've not been threatened with shut down or massive fines yet , unlike the pirate bay ; as far as I 'm aware , contributory infringement [ chillingeffects.org ] is illegal in the UK.So while Newsbin 's nzb files will live on as the standard method of collating binary files on usenet , the site itself is destined to be filtered into 'uselessness ' ( see mininova ) even if it is n't shut down with a followup judgement .
I expect a number of other indexing sites to spring up , and a number of the existing ones to grow larger - probably hosted in countries that are n't quite so pro-copyright holders as the UK , especially if they do n't have contributory copyright infringement laws common in the US and western Europe.Two thoughts spring to mind ; 1 ) will they get a copy of users search history ( complete with creditcard logs linking them to the account ) ?
( and no , I 've never been a member ) 2 ) when do they start going after the usenet providers themselves ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's nothing wrong with the protocol.
Newzbin are an indexing site; one of many.
In their case, they provided a commercial service for hand-categorized nzbs, which are pretty analogous to .torrent files, from a legal point of view at least.
That they had categories labelled up for 'screener', 'R5', 'Warez' etc etc along with the documentation explicitly advising editors how to post infringing material.What's interesting is that they've not been threatened with shut down or massive fines yet, unlike the pirate bay; as far as I'm aware, contributory infringement [chillingeffects.org] is illegal in the UK.So while Newsbin's nzb files will live on as the standard method of collating binary files on usenet, the site itself is destined to be filtered into 'uselessness' (see mininova) even if it isn't shut down with a followup judgement.
I expect a number of other indexing sites to spring up, and a number of the existing ones to grow larger - probably hosted in countries that aren't quite so pro-copyright holders as the UK, especially if they don't have contributory copyright infringement laws common in the US and western Europe.Two thoughts spring to mind;1) will they get a copy of users search history (complete with creditcard logs linking them to the account)?
(and no, I've never been a member)2) when do they start going after the usenet providers themselves?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659990</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>Spad</author>
	<datestamp>1269889680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See my post below - afaik this judgement applies only to movies that MPA members hold the copyright to and not to other movies or, indeed, other media.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See my post below - afaik this judgement applies only to movies that MPA members hold the copyright to and not to other movies or , indeed , other media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See my post below - afaik this judgement applies only to movies that MPA members hold the copyright to and not to other movies or, indeed, other media.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659780</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269888660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://mute-net.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">...</a> [sourceforge.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31662974</id>
	<title>Re:Standard Arguments:</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1269860280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rubbish.<br>This is the defacto notion all over america not just slashdot. Whilst it may not be entirely enshrined in law, they get treated as such DMCA for instance gives them the status that they wont be liable for third party violations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rubbish.This is the defacto notion all over america not just slashdot .
Whilst it may not be entirely enshrined in law , they get treated as such DMCA for instance gives them the status that they wont be liable for third party violations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rubbish.This is the defacto notion all over america not just slashdot.
Whilst it may not be entirely enshrined in law, they get treated as such DMCA for instance gives them the status that they wont be liable for third party violations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660358</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>dwandy</author>
	<datestamp>1269891420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>How about actually buying the work that you want?</p></div></blockquote><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...didn't know that was an option. They all look like licensing or rental deals to me. Actual ownership seems to be something that won't be conferred to the serfs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about actually buying the work that you want ?
...did n't know that was an option .
They all look like licensing or rental deals to me .
Actual ownership seems to be something that wo n't be conferred to the serfs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about actually buying the work that you want?
...didn't know that was an option.
They all look like licensing or rental deals to me.
Actual ownership seems to be something that won't be conferred to the serfs.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659478</id>
	<title>Violation of the second rule</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269887280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Don't talk about Usenet.<br>2. Don't index Usenet.</p><p>This might lead to less people complaining about rar files in their torrents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Do n't talk about Usenet.2 .
Do n't index Usenet.This might lead to less people complaining about rar files in their torrents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Don't talk about Usenet.2.
Don't index Usenet.This might lead to less people complaining about rar files in their torrents.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659824</id>
	<title>Damnit!!</title>
	<author>Stenchwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1269888900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I switched to a paid Usenet service because it was more "private" than torrent. Does this mean I'm going to have to back to BitchX and CLI to get movies?</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><b>/dcc send MPAA "my ass"</b> </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I switched to a paid Usenet service because it was more " private " than torrent .
Does this mean I 'm going to have to back to BitchX and CLI to get movies ?
/dcc send MPAA " my ass "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I switched to a paid Usenet service because it was more "private" than torrent.
Does this mean I'm going to have to back to BitchX and CLI to get movies?
/dcc send MPAA "my ass" </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660138</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>ArundelCastle</author>
	<datestamp>1269890340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>2) when do they start going after the usenet providers themselves?</p></div><p>Hard to say, but they'll probably stop once they find government servers that have a Usenet feed.</p><p>alt.iron.margaret.thatcher.fist.fist.fist</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>2 ) when do they start going after the usenet providers themselves ? Hard to say , but they 'll probably stop once they find government servers that have a Usenet feed.alt.iron.margaret.thatcher.fist.fist.fist</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2) when do they start going after the usenet providers themselves?Hard to say, but they'll probably stop once they find government servers that have a Usenet feed.alt.iron.margaret.thatcher.fist.fist.fist
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659612</id>
	<title>Help guides refer to COPYRIGHTED movie downloads?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269888000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just because it's a movie doesn't mean the MPAA owns it. Did the help guides specifically say they help you find MPAA owned/copyrighted movies, or just movies in general? I'd hate to think the whole world has forgotten that a "movie" itself is an art form, not just an MPAA dropping subject to fees and copyrights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because it 's a movie does n't mean the MPAA owns it .
Did the help guides specifically say they help you find MPAA owned/copyrighted movies , or just movies in general ?
I 'd hate to think the whole world has forgotten that a " movie " itself is an art form , not just an MPAA dropping subject to fees and copyrights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because it's a movie doesn't mean the MPAA owns it.
Did the help guides specifically say they help you find MPAA owned/copyrighted movies, or just movies in general?
I'd hate to think the whole world has forgotten that a "movie" itself is an art form, not just an MPAA dropping subject to fees and copyrights.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659580</id>
	<title>Recommendations for an Indexing service?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269887880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm interested in signing up with one of these Usenet indexing services.  I see there are a bunch out there, so can anyone with experience give some recommendations for one that's still accepting new members, and reasonably priced?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm interested in signing up with one of these Usenet indexing services .
I see there are a bunch out there , so can anyone with experience give some recommendations for one that 's still accepting new members , and reasonably priced ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm interested in signing up with one of these Usenet indexing services.
I see there are a bunch out there, so can anyone with experience give some recommendations for one that's still accepting new members, and reasonably priced?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659444</id>
	<title>It has begun</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269887160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Finally usenet showed up on the radar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally usenet showed up on the radar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally usenet showed up on the radar.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660016</id>
	<title>Re:Help guides refer to COPYRIGHTED movie download</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269889740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Did the help guides specifically say they help you find MPAA owned/copyrighted movies, or just movies in general?</p></div><p>Which is a meaningless distinction when pretty all of them (I'm sure it would be safe to say 99.9+\%) are from MPAA members.  I can't tell if you're either extremely naive or just intentionally stupid.  This is almost as laughable as when everyone tries to make it seem like bittorrent is only being used to transfer Linux ISOs and public domain movies/music.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did the help guides specifically say they help you find MPAA owned/copyrighted movies , or just movies in general ? Which is a meaningless distinction when pretty all of them ( I 'm sure it would be safe to say 99.9 + \ % ) are from MPAA members .
I ca n't tell if you 're either extremely naive or just intentionally stupid .
This is almost as laughable as when everyone tries to make it seem like bittorrent is only being used to transfer Linux ISOs and public domain movies/music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did the help guides specifically say they help you find MPAA owned/copyrighted movies, or just movies in general?Which is a meaningless distinction when pretty all of them (I'm sure it would be safe to say 99.9+\%) are from MPAA members.
I can't tell if you're either extremely naive or just intentionally stupid.
This is almost as laughable as when everyone tries to make it seem like bittorrent is only being used to transfer Linux ISOs and public domain movies/music.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660456</id>
	<title>Re:Intent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269892020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a very strange concept about being a "notifier".  If Bob is selling drugs on the corner of 5th and Main, and you whisper that information to people as they walk by, you are considered a part of the problem and encouraging the promotion and selling of the drugs.  If you hold a sign up that states "OMG, the horror, that Bob guy on the corner of 5th and Main is selling drugs!, it must be stopped, same your children", you are treated with respect and encouraged to continue your crusade to clean up the streets.  The bottom line though is with BOTH methods, you are doing the same exact thing.  Letting people know that if you want drugs, see Bob on the corner of 5th and main.  Your opinion or your approach of doing it is not relevant.  You are still disseminating the same information and people that want drugs can take that information and go to Bob.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a very strange concept about being a " notifier " .
If Bob is selling drugs on the corner of 5th and Main , and you whisper that information to people as they walk by , you are considered a part of the problem and encouraging the promotion and selling of the drugs .
If you hold a sign up that states " OMG , the horror , that Bob guy on the corner of 5th and Main is selling drugs ! , it must be stopped , same your children " , you are treated with respect and encouraged to continue your crusade to clean up the streets .
The bottom line though is with BOTH methods , you are doing the same exact thing .
Letting people know that if you want drugs , see Bob on the corner of 5th and main .
Your opinion or your approach of doing it is not relevant .
You are still disseminating the same information and people that want drugs can take that information and go to Bob .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a very strange concept about being a "notifier".
If Bob is selling drugs on the corner of 5th and Main, and you whisper that information to people as they walk by, you are considered a part of the problem and encouraging the promotion and selling of the drugs.
If you hold a sign up that states "OMG, the horror, that Bob guy on the corner of 5th and Main is selling drugs!, it must be stopped, same your children", you are treated with respect and encouraged to continue your crusade to clean up the streets.
The bottom line though is with BOTH methods, you are doing the same exact thing.
Letting people know that if you want drugs, see Bob on the corner of 5th and main.
Your opinion or your approach of doing it is not relevant.
You are still disseminating the same information and people that want drugs can take that information and go to Bob.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660190</id>
	<title>Revolt!</title>
	<author>chucklebutte</author>
	<datestamp>1269890520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Time to get our asses up out of our computer chairs and fight back!</p><p>Over throw the government! Over throw the corporations! Fuck these idiots!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time to get our asses up out of our computer chairs and fight back ! Over throw the government !
Over throw the corporations !
Fuck these idiots !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time to get our asses up out of our computer chairs and fight back!Over throw the government!
Over throw the corporations!
Fuck these idiots!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660058</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269889980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about actually buying the work that you want?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about actually buying the work that you want ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about actually buying the work that you want?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659416</id>
	<title>Be wary of where you are.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269887100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The first rule of fight club is don't talk about fight club.  Well, unless you're <a href="http://thepiratebay.org/legal" title="thepiratebay.org" rel="nofollow">The Pirate Bay</a> [thepiratebay.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>The first rule of fight club is do n't talk about fight club .
Well , unless you 're The Pirate Bay [ thepiratebay.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first rule of fight club is don't talk about fight club.
Well, unless you're The Pirate Bay [thepiratebay.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659962</id>
	<title>Limited scope</title>
	<author>Spad</author>
	<datestamp>1269889560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As far as I can tell from the limited information available and still pending the final injunction details, this judgement only applies to movies and not any other content that may or may not be indexed on Usenet.</p><p>At least the judge showed sense in ruling that the MPA couldn't get an injection banning the publishing of content that they didn't hold the copyright to; I know they like to think that they control everything, but sometimes reality gets in the way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as I can tell from the limited information available and still pending the final injunction details , this judgement only applies to movies and not any other content that may or may not be indexed on Usenet.At least the judge showed sense in ruling that the MPA could n't get an injection banning the publishing of content that they did n't hold the copyright to ; I know they like to think that they control everything , but sometimes reality gets in the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as I can tell from the limited information available and still pending the final injunction details, this judgement only applies to movies and not any other content that may or may not be indexed on Usenet.At least the judge showed sense in ruling that the MPA couldn't get an injection banning the publishing of content that they didn't hold the copyright to; I know they like to think that they control everything, but sometimes reality gets in the way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31661266</id>
	<title>presumption</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269895560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"music, tv shows, games or movies"<br>public domain, creative commons, gnu gpl, etc.<br>why is there this presumption that everything out there is under a restrictive license. the big media monopolies are going the way of the dodo. who wants to watch a bunch of propaganda. instead people are focusing on liberally licensed art, documentaries, educational and historic materials, how-tos, important info on death camps of the NWO, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" music , tv shows , games or movies " public domain , creative commons , gnu gpl , etc.why is there this presumption that everything out there is under a restrictive license .
the big media monopolies are going the way of the dodo .
who wants to watch a bunch of propaganda .
instead people are focusing on liberally licensed art , documentaries , educational and historic materials , how-tos , important info on death camps of the NWO , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"music, tv shows, games or movies"public domain, creative commons, gnu gpl, etc.why is there this presumption that everything out there is under a restrictive license.
the big media monopolies are going the way of the dodo.
who wants to watch a bunch of propaganda.
instead people are focusing on liberally licensed art, documentaries, educational and historic materials, how-tos, important info on death camps of the NWO, etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660100</id>
	<title>its only a matter of time..</title>
	<author>zcold</author>
	<datestamp>1269890160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whats next? Rapidshare, megaupload etc... Funny how there are so many sites outside of those as well... What a waste of time and money... The best way to get people to do something is to tell them they can't...All this litigation is working well for piracy..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whats next ?
Rapidshare , megaupload etc... Funny how there are so many sites outside of those as well... What a waste of time and money... The best way to get people to do something is to tell them they ca n't...All this litigation is working well for piracy. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whats next?
Rapidshare, megaupload etc... Funny how there are so many sites outside of those as well... What a waste of time and money... The best way to get people to do something is to tell them they can't...All this litigation is working well for piracy..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31667888</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>Nursie</author>
	<datestamp>1269943680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And then I can store the movies on my media server and stream them to any PC in the house? And take them with me on a laptop drive when I travel? Transcode for PSP?</p><p>Oh wait, ripping and encoding tools are also illegal because they bypass anti-circumvention methods.</p><p>There is a better product available from the pirates, money or no. Hell in the past I've both downloaded and bought movies (Futurama, for instance) because I wanted to pay but also wanted the convenience of having an unrestricted electronic copy, or because they came out two weeks earlier in another country, or...</p><p>Until these issues are fixed, people will pirate. Some will pirate anyway. Some suffer from a bizarre form of digital kleptomania and never watch half of what they download. Me? Prices need to fall a little IMHO, and when movies can be bought in a DRM free, convenient form, I'll buy in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And then I can store the movies on my media server and stream them to any PC in the house ?
And take them with me on a laptop drive when I travel ?
Transcode for PSP ? Oh wait , ripping and encoding tools are also illegal because they bypass anti-circumvention methods.There is a better product available from the pirates , money or no .
Hell in the past I 've both downloaded and bought movies ( Futurama , for instance ) because I wanted to pay but also wanted the convenience of having an unrestricted electronic copy , or because they came out two weeks earlier in another country , or...Until these issues are fixed , people will pirate .
Some will pirate anyway .
Some suffer from a bizarre form of digital kleptomania and never watch half of what they download .
Me ? Prices need to fall a little IMHO , and when movies can be bought in a DRM free , convenient form , I 'll buy in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And then I can store the movies on my media server and stream them to any PC in the house?
And take them with me on a laptop drive when I travel?
Transcode for PSP?Oh wait, ripping and encoding tools are also illegal because they bypass anti-circumvention methods.There is a better product available from the pirates, money or no.
Hell in the past I've both downloaded and bought movies (Futurama, for instance) because I wanted to pay but also wanted the convenience of having an unrestricted electronic copy, or because they came out two weeks earlier in another country, or...Until these issues are fixed, people will pirate.
Some will pirate anyway.
Some suffer from a bizarre form of digital kleptomania and never watch half of what they download.
Me? Prices need to fall a little IMHO, and when movies can be bought in a DRM free, convenient form, I'll buy in.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660050</id>
	<title>Re:The shutdown of freedom, need for adhoc interne</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269889980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So then you have no problems with people violating the copyrights to GPL code, right?  How dare you advocate that the government controls my ability to take whatever I want from whomever I want!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So then you have no problems with people violating the copyrights to GPL code , right ?
How dare you advocate that the government controls my ability to take whatever I want from whomever I want !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So then you have no problems with people violating the copyrights to GPL code, right?
How dare you advocate that the government controls my ability to take whatever I want from whomever I want!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659928</id>
	<title>Re:Help guides refer to COPYRIGHTED movie download</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269889380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Simple question:</p><p>And of those movies, how many are being downloaded that are not being distributed on your service without the permission of the copyright owner?  What proportion?  Would it be a majority?</p><p>That's all a lawyer has to think to ask.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple question : And of those movies , how many are being downloaded that are not being distributed on your service without the permission of the copyright owner ?
What proportion ?
Would it be a majority ? That 's all a lawyer has to think to ask .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple question:And of those movies, how many are being downloaded that are not being distributed on your service without the permission of the copyright owner?
What proportion?
Would it be a majority?That's all a lawyer has to think to ask.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660954</id>
	<title>Re:Recommendations for an Indexing service?</title>
	<author>Inda</author>
	<datestamp>1269893940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Hi, my name is Mark and I'm a member of the Noob foundation. I would really, really, really like a website that provides me with the Warez (War-rez). I have money for friends."<br><br>Are you for real AC? Who the hell under 50 writes like that? On Slashdot of all places?<br><br>Use a search engine, and scene release (whatever that is) indexing site. Newsbin was overrated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Hi , my name is Mark and I 'm a member of the Noob foundation .
I would really , really , really like a website that provides me with the Warez ( War-rez ) .
I have money for friends .
" Are you for real AC ?
Who the hell under 50 writes like that ?
On Slashdot of all places ? Use a search engine , and scene release ( whatever that is ) indexing site .
Newsbin was overrated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hi, my name is Mark and I'm a member of the Noob foundation.
I would really, really, really like a website that provides me with the Warez (War-rez).
I have money for friends.
"Are you for real AC?
Who the hell under 50 writes like that?
On Slashdot of all places?Use a search engine, and scene release (whatever that is) indexing site.
Newsbin was overrated.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660930</id>
	<title>Re:Somebody violated the first rule of usenet</title>
	<author>value\_added</author>
	<datestamp>1269893880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Newzbin are an indexing site; one of many.</i></p><p>Worth pointing out that some of the larger usenet providers also index their content and make it available for searches.  Hell, even the makers of Newsbin (the client program of a similar name) does it and sells it to customers for a $5/month.</p><p>I guess Rule No. 1 for usenet providers is don't base your business model on a tarted-up search.  For everyone else, terrabytes of "data" will continue to be posted to usenet on a daily basis.  Finding what you want may be a little less convenient.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Newzbin are an indexing site ; one of many.Worth pointing out that some of the larger usenet providers also index their content and make it available for searches .
Hell , even the makers of Newsbin ( the client program of a similar name ) does it and sells it to customers for a $ 5/month.I guess Rule No .
1 for usenet providers is do n't base your business model on a tarted-up search .
For everyone else , terrabytes of " data " will continue to be posted to usenet on a daily basis .
Finding what you want may be a little less convenient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newzbin are an indexing site; one of many.Worth pointing out that some of the larger usenet providers also index their content and make it available for searches.
Hell, even the makers of Newsbin (the client program of a similar name) does it and sells it to customers for a $5/month.I guess Rule No.
1 for usenet providers is don't base your business model on a tarted-up search.
For everyone else, terrabytes of "data" will continue to be posted to usenet on a daily basis.
Finding what you want may be a little less convenient.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31660976</id>
	<title>Re:Damnit!!</title>
	<author>harl</author>
	<datestamp>1269894060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How exactly is a central server log recording every single file you download private?  Additionally you now have a nice financial trail making things eve less private.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How exactly is a central server log recording every single file you download private ?
Additionally you now have a nice financial trail making things eve less private .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How exactly is a central server log recording every single file you download private?
Additionally you now have a nice financial trail making things eve less private.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659460</id>
	<title>Shame</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269887220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is bad!<br>Time to look into p2p via i2p etc.<br>I always liked the social aspects of sharing via p2p.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is bad ! Time to look into p2p via i2p etc.I always liked the social aspects of sharing via p2p .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is bad!Time to look into p2p via i2p etc.I always liked the social aspects of sharing via p2p.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659866</id>
	<title>Right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269889080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so I need a replacement.</p><p>Anyone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so I need a replacement.Anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so I need a replacement.Anyone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1645232.31659838</id>
	<title>Finally...</title>
	<author>frank\_adrian314159</author>
	<datestamp>1269888900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We will get you pirates and prove that Global Warming is a hoax, once and for all!!!</p><p>Either that or we'll finally kill off Usenet - win-win, either way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We will get you pirates and prove that Global Warming is a hoax , once and for all ! !
! Either that or we 'll finally kill off Usenet - win-win , either way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We will get you pirates and prove that Global Warming is a hoax, once and for all!!
!Either that or we'll finally kill off Usenet - win-win, either way.</sentencetext>
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