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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_29_1417243</id>
	<title>Good SAT Scores Lead To Higher Egg Donor Prices</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1269889140000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>alphadogg writes <i>"Analysis from Georgia Institute of Technology of college newspaper egg donor ads showed that <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2010/03/26/yes\_top\_students\_reap\_rich\_rewards\_even\_as\_egg\_donors/">higher payments offered to egg donors correlated with higher SAT scores</a>. 'Holding all else equal, an increase of 100 SAT points in the score of a typical incoming student increased the compensation offered to oocyte donors at that college or university by $2,350,' writes researcher Aaron D. Levine in a paper published in the March-April issue of the Hastings Center Report. Concerned about eggs being treated as commodities, and worried that big financial rewards could entice women to ignore the risks of the rigorous procedures required for harvesting, the American Society for Reproductive Medicine discourages compensation based on donors' personal characteristics. The society also discourages any payments over $10,000."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>alphadogg writes " Analysis from Georgia Institute of Technology of college newspaper egg donor ads showed that higher payments offered to egg donors correlated with higher SAT scores .
'Holding all else equal , an increase of 100 SAT points in the score of a typical incoming student increased the compensation offered to oocyte donors at that college or university by $ 2,350, ' writes researcher Aaron D. Levine in a paper published in the March-April issue of the Hastings Center Report .
Concerned about eggs being treated as commodities , and worried that big financial rewards could entice women to ignore the risks of the rigorous procedures required for harvesting , the American Society for Reproductive Medicine discourages compensation based on donors ' personal characteristics .
The society also discourages any payments over $ 10,000 .
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<sentencetext>alphadogg writes "Analysis from Georgia Institute of Technology of college newspaper egg donor ads showed that higher payments offered to egg donors correlated with higher SAT scores.
'Holding all else equal, an increase of 100 SAT points in the score of a typical incoming student increased the compensation offered to oocyte donors at that college or university by $2,350,' writes researcher Aaron D. Levine in a paper published in the March-April issue of the Hastings Center Report.
Concerned about eggs being treated as commodities, and worried that big financial rewards could entice women to ignore the risks of the rigorous procedures required for harvesting, the American Society for Reproductive Medicine discourages compensation based on donors' personal characteristics.
The society also discourages any payments over $10,000.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31679918</id>
	<title>Re:What about men?</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1269954000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Do they offer men bonuses for high SAT scores?</p></div></blockquote><p>Beware thinking like that. What you mean by a "SAT score" may not be what other people mean.<br>[Oblig Futurama reference] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish\_Fry" title="wikipedia.org">Human Horn</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they offer men bonuses for high SAT scores ? Beware thinking like that .
What you mean by a " SAT score " may not be what other people mean .
[ Oblig Futurama reference ] Human Horn [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they offer men bonuses for high SAT scores?Beware thinking like that.
What you mean by a "SAT score" may not be what other people mean.
[Oblig Futurama reference] Human Horn [wikipedia.org]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660746</id>
	<title>Not a new phenomenon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269893160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a surprise?  Just take a look around any big name campus - there will usually be some kind of ads posted looking for egg donors.  I'm a student at Columbia University and I've seen posters offering $18,000 for eggs from any Columbia student for years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a surprise ?
Just take a look around any big name campus - there will usually be some kind of ads posted looking for egg donors .
I 'm a student at Columbia University and I 've seen posters offering $ 18,000 for eggs from any Columbia student for years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a surprise?
Just take a look around any big name campus - there will usually be some kind of ads posted looking for egg donors.
I'm a student at Columbia University and I've seen posters offering $18,000 for eggs from any Columbia student for years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661904</id>
	<title>Re:What about men?</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1269855420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i've thought about the egg/sperm donor thing as a sort of experiment in socio-genetics.  Instead of having kids with my wife, which would produce another smart honkey but a bit on the short and short sighted side, i would find sperm and egg donors.  Each would be a different race from us and each other.  Definitely would want donors on the right half of the IQ bell curve.  We'd have a smart mixed race kid, who would prolly be good looking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i 've thought about the egg/sperm donor thing as a sort of experiment in socio-genetics .
Instead of having kids with my wife , which would produce another smart honkey but a bit on the short and short sighted side , i would find sperm and egg donors .
Each would be a different race from us and each other .
Definitely would want donors on the right half of the IQ bell curve .
We 'd have a smart mixed race kid , who would prolly be good looking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i've thought about the egg/sperm donor thing as a sort of experiment in socio-genetics.
Instead of having kids with my wife, which would produce another smart honkey but a bit on the short and short sighted side, i would find sperm and egg donors.
Each would be a different race from us and each other.
Definitely would want donors on the right half of the IQ bell curve.
We'd have a smart mixed race kid, who would prolly be good looking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660818</id>
	<title>Tuition</title>
	<author>c++0xFF</author>
	<datestamp>1269893400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Egg donation: yet another way that a high SAT score help you get through college.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Egg donation : yet another way that a high SAT score help you get through college .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Egg donation: yet another way that a high SAT score help you get through college.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31662010</id>
	<title>Re:Genetics and prejudice</title>
	<author>bocin</author>
	<datestamp>1269855960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Eugenics is evil. Control of the outcome of birth is only half the means to an unproven end. The other side of the eugenics coin is the control over who is suitable to continue living and who will be weeded out. Eugenics has always used both of these methods to attempt to create the "superman". Beware the folk who promote eugenics. They, in most cases, have delusions of grandeur and feel they alone can make the decisions concerning who lives and who dies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Eugenics is evil .
Control of the outcome of birth is only half the means to an unproven end .
The other side of the eugenics coin is the control over who is suitable to continue living and who will be weeded out .
Eugenics has always used both of these methods to attempt to create the " superman " .
Beware the folk who promote eugenics .
They , in most cases , have delusions of grandeur and feel they alone can make the decisions concerning who lives and who dies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eugenics is evil.
Control of the outcome of birth is only half the means to an unproven end.
The other side of the eugenics coin is the control over who is suitable to continue living and who will be weeded out.
Eugenics has always used both of these methods to attempt to create the "superman".
Beware the folk who promote eugenics.
They, in most cases, have delusions of grandeur and feel they alone can make the decisions concerning who lives and who dies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31664846</id>
	<title>Re:What about men?</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1269870480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Instead of having kids with my wife, which would produce another smart honkey but a bit on the short and short sighted side, i would find sperm and egg donors.</p></div></blockquote><p>You do know, of course, that offspring of your union are likely to regress to the mean, and be less smart than either of you, right?<br> <br>This is why I've chosen only below-average-intelligence women to be my baby mommas, so that I'll be more likely to have genius children.<br> <br>Well, that, and they are the only ones who will sleep with me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of having kids with my wife , which would produce another smart honkey but a bit on the short and short sighted side , i would find sperm and egg donors.You do know , of course , that offspring of your union are likely to regress to the mean , and be less smart than either of you , right ?
This is why I 've chosen only below-average-intelligence women to be my baby mommas , so that I 'll be more likely to have genius children .
Well , that , and they are the only ones who will sleep with me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of having kids with my wife, which would produce another smart honkey but a bit on the short and short sighted side, i would find sperm and egg donors.You do know, of course, that offspring of your union are likely to regress to the mean, and be less smart than either of you, right?
This is why I've chosen only below-average-intelligence women to be my baby mommas, so that I'll be more likely to have genius children.
Well, that, and they are the only ones who will sleep with me.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31670620</id>
	<title>Let the scrupulously regulated market decide</title>
	<author>PMuse</author>
	<datestamp>1269963960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The parent is right about kidneys and every other donate-able organ.  Receiving an organ costs $$$$$.  Everyone else in the organ supply pipeline gets paid -- except the donor.  It's no wonder that lack of donations is the bottleneck.</p><p>The danger of abuse and fraud can be kept to a reasonable level for $ (or at most $$) worth of enforcement.  That's a bargain compared to the overall $$$$$ spent on each transplant, let alone compared to the value of the lives saved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The parent is right about kidneys and every other donate-able organ .
Receiving an organ costs $ $ $ $ $ .
Everyone else in the organ supply pipeline gets paid -- except the donor .
It 's no wonder that lack of donations is the bottleneck.The danger of abuse and fraud can be kept to a reasonable level for $ ( or at most $ $ ) worth of enforcement .
That 's a bargain compared to the overall $ $ $ $ $ spent on each transplant , let alone compared to the value of the lives saved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The parent is right about kidneys and every other donate-able organ.
Receiving an organ costs $$$$$.
Everyone else in the organ supply pipeline gets paid -- except the donor.
It's no wonder that lack of donations is the bottleneck.The danger of abuse and fraud can be kept to a reasonable level for $ (or at most $$) worth of enforcement.
That's a bargain compared to the overall $$$$$ spent on each transplant, let alone compared to the value of the lives saved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661300</id>
	<title>Quality</title>
	<author>ThePlague</author>
	<datestamp>1269895800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You pay for quality, and this is just an example of that.  You wouldn't pay $15 for a McD's burger, at least most people wouldn't, but a Red Robin (or similar high end) one could command that sort of price.</p><p>I know some people might think that's horrible, but the cold-hard truth is that some people are higher quality than others.  We might be equal before the law, and have equal rights, but when people are given a choice in potential breeding partners, they will opt for as high as they can afford.  In the social realm, that means relying on their own value as judged by whatever criteria (looks, smarts, social success as measured by wealth, social success as measured by "charm", etc) to get as good a "product" as possible.  The pricing in this article just reflects the ability to turn one set of attributes into cash, and people's willingness to pay for certain attributes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You pay for quality , and this is just an example of that .
You would n't pay $ 15 for a McD 's burger , at least most people would n't , but a Red Robin ( or similar high end ) one could command that sort of price.I know some people might think that 's horrible , but the cold-hard truth is that some people are higher quality than others .
We might be equal before the law , and have equal rights , but when people are given a choice in potential breeding partners , they will opt for as high as they can afford .
In the social realm , that means relying on their own value as judged by whatever criteria ( looks , smarts , social success as measured by wealth , social success as measured by " charm " , etc ) to get as good a " product " as possible .
The pricing in this article just reflects the ability to turn one set of attributes into cash , and people 's willingness to pay for certain attributes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You pay for quality, and this is just an example of that.
You wouldn't pay $15 for a McD's burger, at least most people wouldn't, but a Red Robin (or similar high end) one could command that sort of price.I know some people might think that's horrible, but the cold-hard truth is that some people are higher quality than others.
We might be equal before the law, and have equal rights, but when people are given a choice in potential breeding partners, they will opt for as high as they can afford.
In the social realm, that means relying on their own value as judged by whatever criteria (looks, smarts, social success as measured by wealth, social success as measured by "charm", etc) to get as good a "product" as possible.
The pricing in this article just reflects the ability to turn one set of attributes into cash, and people's willingness to pay for certain attributes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660942</id>
	<title>Duh</title>
	<author>Colonel Korn</author>
	<datestamp>1269893880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back in college our daily newspaper had standing offers in the $15-50k range for eggs of a woman above a certain height, below a certain weight, and above a certain SAT score.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in college our daily newspaper had standing offers in the $ 15-50k range for eggs of a woman above a certain height , below a certain weight , and above a certain SAT score .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in college our daily newspaper had standing offers in the $15-50k range for eggs of a woman above a certain height, below a certain weight, and above a certain SAT score.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31666544</id>
	<title>Re:Genetics and prejudice</title>
	<author>arekusu\_ou</author>
	<datestamp>1269884520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By entertaining the possibility that preferred traits can be genetically determined and in turn reproduced in controlled manner, you are opening the possibility of creating genetically superior humans, and that is a situation parts of society won't tolerate.</p><p>Sci Fi have always entertained that notion and society's rejection of it.  Star Trek DS9 had Dr. Bashir. Enterprise had those augments.  Brave New World had a horrid extremist view of genetic superiority.  Harrison Bergeron had a society who stifled superiority.</p><p>So no, I don't think the uproar is about a possible scientific fact.  I think the uproar is about the implications of that possible fact.</p><p>Bush spent part of his power stifling the education in America, removing those who would excel, and lowering the bar.  Average SAT score has been 1500 out of 2400 for too many years even before Bush (1000 out of 1600), that's 62.5\%.  That is horrendous.</p><p>I would rather have the average raised closer to my score, and have my status lowered to closer to merely average.  Then I would have better hopes for the future of humanity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By entertaining the possibility that preferred traits can be genetically determined and in turn reproduced in controlled manner , you are opening the possibility of creating genetically superior humans , and that is a situation parts of society wo n't tolerate.Sci Fi have always entertained that notion and society 's rejection of it .
Star Trek DS9 had Dr. Bashir. Enterprise had those augments .
Brave New World had a horrid extremist view of genetic superiority .
Harrison Bergeron had a society who stifled superiority.So no , I do n't think the uproar is about a possible scientific fact .
I think the uproar is about the implications of that possible fact.Bush spent part of his power stifling the education in America , removing those who would excel , and lowering the bar .
Average SAT score has been 1500 out of 2400 for too many years even before Bush ( 1000 out of 1600 ) , that 's 62.5 \ % .
That is horrendous.I would rather have the average raised closer to my score , and have my status lowered to closer to merely average .
Then I would have better hopes for the future of humanity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By entertaining the possibility that preferred traits can be genetically determined and in turn reproduced in controlled manner, you are opening the possibility of creating genetically superior humans, and that is a situation parts of society won't tolerate.Sci Fi have always entertained that notion and society's rejection of it.
Star Trek DS9 had Dr. Bashir. Enterprise had those augments.
Brave New World had a horrid extremist view of genetic superiority.
Harrison Bergeron had a society who stifled superiority.So no, I don't think the uproar is about a possible scientific fact.
I think the uproar is about the implications of that possible fact.Bush spent part of his power stifling the education in America, removing those who would excel, and lowering the bar.
Average SAT score has been 1500 out of 2400 for too many years even before Bush (1000 out of 1600), that's 62.5\%.
That is horrendous.I would rather have the average raised closer to my score, and have my status lowered to closer to merely average.
Then I would have better hopes for the future of humanity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661454</id>
	<title>Genetics and prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269853440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So we know that certain people have higher risks of developing certain diseases based on genetic factors, such as gender (color-blindness in men) or 'race' (Tay-Sachs in Ashkenazi jews).  People are even willing to pay more for eggs or sperm from people with high SAT scores or PhD's.  Yet, when a Harvard University President suggests that maybe certain aspects of intelligence are based on genetics, it causes an uproar.</p><p>I'm not suggesting that a certain race or sex is inferior to another, but why is the mere suggestion that intelligence is based on genetics (and therefore gives inherent benefits to certain genetic groups) considered so taboo?  Can't we at least consider, discuss, and perform rigorous research on the subject?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So we know that certain people have higher risks of developing certain diseases based on genetic factors , such as gender ( color-blindness in men ) or 'race ' ( Tay-Sachs in Ashkenazi jews ) .
People are even willing to pay more for eggs or sperm from people with high SAT scores or PhD 's .
Yet , when a Harvard University President suggests that maybe certain aspects of intelligence are based on genetics , it causes an uproar.I 'm not suggesting that a certain race or sex is inferior to another , but why is the mere suggestion that intelligence is based on genetics ( and therefore gives inherent benefits to certain genetic groups ) considered so taboo ?
Ca n't we at least consider , discuss , and perform rigorous research on the subject ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So we know that certain people have higher risks of developing certain diseases based on genetic factors, such as gender (color-blindness in men) or 'race' (Tay-Sachs in Ashkenazi jews).
People are even willing to pay more for eggs or sperm from people with high SAT scores or PhD's.
Yet, when a Harvard University President suggests that maybe certain aspects of intelligence are based on genetics, it causes an uproar.I'm not suggesting that a certain race or sex is inferior to another, but why is the mere suggestion that intelligence is based on genetics (and therefore gives inherent benefits to certain genetic groups) considered so taboo?
Can't we at least consider, discuss, and perform rigorous research on the subject?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31670314</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269962940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And here I thought teaching SAT classes was the best way to get money for my abilities.  Guess I've been doing it wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And here I thought teaching SAT classes was the best way to get money for my abilities .
Guess I 've been doing it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And here I thought teaching SAT classes was the best way to get money for my abilities.
Guess I've been doing it wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31662620</id>
	<title>Re:What's this worth?</title>
	<author>Arthur Grumbine</author>
	<datestamp>1269858540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>SATs over 750 each<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>High metablosim</p></div><p>For some strange reason I find myself doubting the veracity of your SAT claims...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>SATs over 750 each ...High metablosimFor some strange reason I find myself doubting the veracity of your SAT claims.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SATs over 750 each ...High metablosimFor some strange reason I find myself doubting the veracity of your SAT claims...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661926</id>
	<title>Irony</title>
	<author>blair1q</author>
	<datestamp>1269855600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So they're worried that the smart people are going to act stupid and risk their health when offered an extra $2300?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So they 're worried that the smart people are going to act stupid and risk their health when offered an extra $ 2300 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they're worried that the smart people are going to act stupid and risk their health when offered an extra $2300?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660970</id>
	<title>DON'T DO IT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269894000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>DO NOT donate sperm, it can bite you in the ass later.  There have been court cases where the mother who was artificially inseminated with donated sperm was later able to track down the man who donated the sperm, and successfully sue him for child support.
<br> <br>
This is just another example of where the family court system is biased against men.  Women automatically get custody of children, or more custody than the man, unless they are on crack or something and this can be proven.  Alimony is a total insult; it's the notion that a woman has a legal right to get used to a particular lifestyle that her husband provided, and therefore her former husband has to pay her money after the divorce to make sure she doesn't have to get used to what her income alone can provide.  If that was really fair, the woman would have to continue having sex with the man after the divorce, since that was the lifestyle he was used to when married, but fairness is not the goal here.  Imagine a couple suing the female egg donor for child support after using her egg to produce a baby.  It would be laughed out of court.  But women have successfully sued men for child support for donating sperm.
<br> <br>
Warning to men - it might look like easy money for something you do anyway (masturbating) but seriously, it's a bad idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>DO NOT donate sperm , it can bite you in the ass later .
There have been court cases where the mother who was artificially inseminated with donated sperm was later able to track down the man who donated the sperm , and successfully sue him for child support .
This is just another example of where the family court system is biased against men .
Women automatically get custody of children , or more custody than the man , unless they are on crack or something and this can be proven .
Alimony is a total insult ; it 's the notion that a woman has a legal right to get used to a particular lifestyle that her husband provided , and therefore her former husband has to pay her money after the divorce to make sure she does n't have to get used to what her income alone can provide .
If that was really fair , the woman would have to continue having sex with the man after the divorce , since that was the lifestyle he was used to when married , but fairness is not the goal here .
Imagine a couple suing the female egg donor for child support after using her egg to produce a baby .
It would be laughed out of court .
But women have successfully sued men for child support for donating sperm .
Warning to men - it might look like easy money for something you do anyway ( masturbating ) but seriously , it 's a bad idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DO NOT donate sperm, it can bite you in the ass later.
There have been court cases where the mother who was artificially inseminated with donated sperm was later able to track down the man who donated the sperm, and successfully sue him for child support.
This is just another example of where the family court system is biased against men.
Women automatically get custody of children, or more custody than the man, unless they are on crack or something and this can be proven.
Alimony is a total insult; it's the notion that a woman has a legal right to get used to a particular lifestyle that her husband provided, and therefore her former husband has to pay her money after the divorce to make sure she doesn't have to get used to what her income alone can provide.
If that was really fair, the woman would have to continue having sex with the man after the divorce, since that was the lifestyle he was used to when married, but fairness is not the goal here.
Imagine a couple suing the female egg donor for child support after using her egg to produce a baby.
It would be laughed out of court.
But women have successfully sued men for child support for donating sperm.
Warning to men - it might look like easy money for something you do anyway (masturbating) but seriously, it's a bad idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661004</id>
	<title>JJ's Fertility and SAT Cram Course</title>
	<author>NicknamesAreStupid</author>
	<datestamp>1269894120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It seems ironic that women of higher learning who might, as some suggest, fund their education from their ovaries, would need to go to a fertility clinic after their successful education and careers that kept them way from the maternity ward until their 30s or 40s.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems ironic that women of higher learning who might , as some suggest , fund their education from their ovaries , would need to go to a fertility clinic after their successful education and careers that kept them way from the maternity ward until their 30s or 40s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems ironic that women of higher learning who might, as some suggest, fund their education from their ovaries, would need to go to a fertility clinic after their successful education and careers that kept them way from the maternity ward until their 30s or 40s.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660802</id>
	<title>Triumph Of The Nerds</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269893340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This should lead to geeks lessening jocks' reproductive advantages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This should lead to geeks lessening jocks ' reproductive advantages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This should lead to geeks lessening jocks' reproductive advantages.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31666024</id>
	<title>Re:Cha-Ching!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269879240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that if every woman would do it, they would only get $0.000,53 per egg.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that if every woman would do it , they would only get $ 0.000,53 per egg .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that if every woman would do it, they would only get $0.000,53 per egg.
;)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660834</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661760</id>
	<title>Re:What's this worth?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269854760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno.  How much <b>do</b> you pay him for his services?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno .
How much do you pay him for his services ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno.
How much do you pay him for his services?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661274</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31666038</id>
	<title>"Egg?" WTF</title>
	<author>cffrost</author>
	<datestamp>1269879420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We're talking about humans here, are we not? Human females don't lay fucking "eggs." Female humans produce an ova; an ovum.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're talking about humans here , are we not ?
Human females do n't lay fucking " eggs .
" Female humans produce an ova ; an ovum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're talking about humans here, are we not?
Human females don't lay fucking "eggs.
" Female humans produce an ova; an ovum.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661700</id>
	<title>Re:I have VERY high SAT scores</title>
	<author>Singularity42</author>
	<datestamp>1269854580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Liar.  There are no males on the internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Liar .
There are no males on the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Liar.
There are no males on the internet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660790</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31663708</id>
	<title>Re:DON'T DO IT</title>
	<author>MidnightBrewer</author>
	<datestamp>1269864420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those cases all involve known sperm donors who are friends of the mothers, participated without a contract, and then continued to be involved in the child's life afterwards explicitly as their father.  In the case of clinics, they specifically make you sign paperwork absolving them of all liability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those cases all involve known sperm donors who are friends of the mothers , participated without a contract , and then continued to be involved in the child 's life afterwards explicitly as their father .
In the case of clinics , they specifically make you sign paperwork absolving them of all liability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those cases all involve known sperm donors who are friends of the mothers, participated without a contract, and then continued to be involved in the child's life afterwards explicitly as their father.
In the case of clinics, they specifically make you sign paperwork absolving them of all liability.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660970</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661056</id>
	<title>No, about the only thing guys get for it would be</title>
	<author>NotSoHeavyD3</author>
	<datestamp>1269894420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>a wedgie and that's not a bonus.</htmltext>
<tokenext>a wedgie and that 's not a bonus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a wedgie and that's not a bonus.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660726</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661368</id>
	<title>Re:Cha-Ching!</title>
	<author>Fnkmaster</author>
	<datestamp>1269896280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Marry chick with high IQ<br>2) Train her to do whatever you tell her<br>3) ???<br>4) Profit!</p><p>Gentlemen, I think we've figured out what to put in step 3.  Harvest away!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Marry chick with high IQ2 ) Train her to do whatever you tell her3 ) ? ?
? 4 ) Profit ! Gentlemen , I think we 've figured out what to put in step 3 .
Harvest away ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Marry chick with high IQ2) Train her to do whatever you tell her3) ??
?4) Profit!Gentlemen, I think we've figured out what to put in step 3.
Harvest away!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660834</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31662558</id>
	<title>Re:Triumph Of The Nerds</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269858300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... into a cup.  Thanks for the mental image.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... into a cup .
Thanks for the mental image .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... into a cup.
Thanks for the mental image.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31662202</id>
	<title>You can make money, but don't!</title>
	<author>sarysa</author>
	<datestamp>1269856740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>For some weird reason, I'm irked by the standard disclaimer in the article that discourages egg donation for (implied) paying your way through college. Risky as any surgical procedure may be, it's a far cry from any Ayn-Rand-gone-amuk dystopian cliche.<br> <br>(says one geek with laissez-faire ethics...)</htmltext>
<tokenext>For some weird reason , I 'm irked by the standard disclaimer in the article that discourages egg donation for ( implied ) paying your way through college .
Risky as any surgical procedure may be , it 's a far cry from any Ayn-Rand-gone-amuk dystopian cliche .
( says one geek with laissez-faire ethics... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some weird reason, I'm irked by the standard disclaimer in the article that discourages egg donation for (implied) paying your way through college.
Risky as any surgical procedure may be, it's a far cry from any Ayn-Rand-gone-amuk dystopian cliche.
(says one geek with laissez-faire ethics...)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31662694</id>
	<title>Re:What's this worth?</title>
	<author>adisakp</author>
	<datestamp>1269858840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>SATs over 750 each
Certified Mensa IQ
High metablosim</p></div><p>Can you explain to me what a <i>metablosim</i> is?  I must not be the genius you are since I've never heard of that word.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>SATs over 750 each Certified Mensa IQ High metablosimCan you explain to me what a metablosim is ?
I must not be the genius you are since I 've never heard of that word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SATs over 750 each
Certified Mensa IQ
High metablosimCan you explain to me what a metablosim is?
I must not be the genius you are since I've never heard of that word.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661274</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31662412</id>
	<title>Common Sense</title>
	<author>mosb1000</author>
	<datestamp>1269857700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Unless you want to have the "No, we didn't adopt; but I shoot blanks/am a poison-womb" chat with everybody who sees your children</p></div></blockquote><p>Or you could actually adopt.  That would be the sensible solution.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless you want to have the " No , we did n't adopt ; but I shoot blanks/am a poison-womb " chat with everybody who sees your childrenOr you could actually adopt .
That would be the sensible solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless you want to have the "No, we didn't adopt; but I shoot blanks/am a poison-womb" chat with everybody who sees your childrenOr you could actually adopt.
That would be the sensible solution.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661212</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31663124</id>
	<title>Re:DON'T DO IT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269861060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Married men accustomed to regular sex, You are obviously not married.</p></div></blockquote><p>Lots of married men are accustomed to regular sex.  Look at Tiger Woods or Bill Clinton, for example.</p><p>(I'd apologize to my wife here but I don't think she reads slashdot)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Married men accustomed to regular sex , You are obviously not married.Lots of married men are accustomed to regular sex .
Look at Tiger Woods or Bill Clinton , for example .
( I 'd apologize to my wife here but I do n't think she reads slashdot )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Married men accustomed to regular sex, You are obviously not married.Lots of married men are accustomed to regular sex.
Look at Tiger Woods or Bill Clinton, for example.
(I'd apologize to my wife here but I don't think she reads slashdot)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661572</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31663838</id>
	<title>Re:Genetics and prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269865080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whether eugenics really is evil or not, it's sneaking in. Capitalism (I know, I know, please keep reading) is doing it in characteristic 'quasi-organic, free-market' style.</p><p>Insurance premiums now vary based on your genetic predisposition to various diseases; eggs and sperm from superior people fetch a higher price than those from Morlocks.</p><p>Maybe it's evil, maybe not but if you want something else you will need to tell somebody, sometime, what they are NOT ALLOWED to do. That said, I tend to think that the argument "you know who else liked eugenics? The NAZIS" is a bit weak. I mean, those guys loved sausages and the Volkswagen.</p><p>Finally, and to put it out there: everyone practices eugenics and discrimination all the time in their own mating habits. This is why your typical deformed, chronically ill microcephalic freaks don't have as many kids as... well, we call you people 'norms'. People are already discriminating and making vicious value judgements with their preference to sleep with happy, healthy, bright people and have been for millenia. Now that it's quantified some people are panicking that the secret's out!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whether eugenics really is evil or not , it 's sneaking in .
Capitalism ( I know , I know , please keep reading ) is doing it in characteristic 'quasi-organic , free-market ' style.Insurance premiums now vary based on your genetic predisposition to various diseases ; eggs and sperm from superior people fetch a higher price than those from Morlocks.Maybe it 's evil , maybe not but if you want something else you will need to tell somebody , sometime , what they are NOT ALLOWED to do .
That said , I tend to think that the argument " you know who else liked eugenics ?
The NAZIS " is a bit weak .
I mean , those guys loved sausages and the Volkswagen.Finally , and to put it out there : everyone practices eugenics and discrimination all the time in their own mating habits .
This is why your typical deformed , chronically ill microcephalic freaks do n't have as many kids as... well , we call you people 'norms' .
People are already discriminating and making vicious value judgements with their preference to sleep with happy , healthy , bright people and have been for millenia .
Now that it 's quantified some people are panicking that the secret 's out !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whether eugenics really is evil or not, it's sneaking in.
Capitalism (I know, I know, please keep reading) is doing it in characteristic 'quasi-organic, free-market' style.Insurance premiums now vary based on your genetic predisposition to various diseases; eggs and sperm from superior people fetch a higher price than those from Morlocks.Maybe it's evil, maybe not but if you want something else you will need to tell somebody, sometime, what they are NOT ALLOWED to do.
That said, I tend to think that the argument "you know who else liked eugenics?
The NAZIS" is a bit weak.
I mean, those guys loved sausages and the Volkswagen.Finally, and to put it out there: everyone practices eugenics and discrimination all the time in their own mating habits.
This is why your typical deformed, chronically ill microcephalic freaks don't have as many kids as... well, we call you people 'norms'.
People are already discriminating and making vicious value judgements with their preference to sleep with happy, healthy, bright people and have been for millenia.
Now that it's quantified some people are panicking that the secret's out!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31662828</id>
	<title>Re:Let the free market decide</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1269859620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't think society has any legitimate interest at stake here that is not covered by allowing the free market to set prices for human kidneys. It should be interesting to see what kidney buyers will place real $ value on.</p></div><p>I agree.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think society has any legitimate interest at stake here that is not covered by allowing the free market to set prices for human kidneys .
It should be interesting to see what kidney buyers will place real $ value on.I agree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think society has any legitimate interest at stake here that is not covered by allowing the free market to set prices for human kidneys.
It should be interesting to see what kidney buyers will place real $ value on.I agree.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661372</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661012</id>
	<title>Numbers don't lie but they are vague.</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1269894180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aka correlation != causation</p><p>People with High SAT scores often get into good colleges... People who get into good colleges get the top choice of jobs... High Egg Downer prices for woman who are more successful over all.</p><p>However I am sure person with a high SAT score who dropped out of college flipping burgers is not going to get so much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aka correlation ! = causationPeople with High SAT scores often get into good colleges... People who get into good colleges get the top choice of jobs... High Egg Downer prices for woman who are more successful over all.However I am sure person with a high SAT score who dropped out of college flipping burgers is not going to get so much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aka correlation != causationPeople with High SAT scores often get into good colleges... People who get into good colleges get the top choice of jobs... High Egg Downer prices for woman who are more successful over all.However I am sure person with a high SAT score who dropped out of college flipping burgers is not going to get so much.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31667288</id>
	<title>Re:Quality</title>
	<author>ajlisows</author>
	<datestamp>1269979500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Saying some people are higher quality than others is a tough statement to make and depends on your definition of quality.  Intelligent?  Attractive?  Athletically Gifted?  Acting/Music/Artistically gifted?  Compassionate? Sane?  Less prone to diseases?  Heterosexual? Excellent work ethic? Not an alcoholic/drug addict?   </p><p>You are assuming that the traits you hold dear are the absolutes when it comes to judging a person's worth.  I know a few Intelligent, Attractive, lazy, drug abusing, insane jerks.  They really don't seem to enjoy life. They are a drain on society and nothing I want my children to end up like.  I've met some rather unintelligent, homely, sane, drug free, hard working types.   Heck, my best friend probably falls into this group.   I'm pretty sure he'd fall under an IQ of 100, he isn't gross looking but he isn't really attractive either.  He does go work hard at his job (he fuels airplanes), he runs home to spend time with his daughter, he is the first person there when a friend is in need of help, and he is pretty well grounded and happy with life.  I consider him to be a very high quality individual.  I would have no complaints if my progeny were to end up like him.</p><p>I just can't see being willing to pay that much more for a shake of the genetic dice based on a test score that has some pretty shaky links to actual intelligence.  Even if the donor is intelligent, it does not guarantee the child will be.  For overall quality of the child, you probably have the same chance taking a random egg from the "Not imprisoned/institutionalized, not mentally retarded, not stricken by some horrible disease" general population as you do selecting by something like SAT score.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Saying some people are higher quality than others is a tough statement to make and depends on your definition of quality .
Intelligent ? Attractive ?
Athletically Gifted ?
Acting/Music/Artistically gifted ?
Compassionate ? Sane ?
Less prone to diseases ?
Heterosexual ? Excellent work ethic ?
Not an alcoholic/drug addict ?
You are assuming that the traits you hold dear are the absolutes when it comes to judging a person 's worth .
I know a few Intelligent , Attractive , lazy , drug abusing , insane jerks .
They really do n't seem to enjoy life .
They are a drain on society and nothing I want my children to end up like .
I 've met some rather unintelligent , homely , sane , drug free , hard working types .
Heck , my best friend probably falls into this group .
I 'm pretty sure he 'd fall under an IQ of 100 , he is n't gross looking but he is n't really attractive either .
He does go work hard at his job ( he fuels airplanes ) , he runs home to spend time with his daughter , he is the first person there when a friend is in need of help , and he is pretty well grounded and happy with life .
I consider him to be a very high quality individual .
I would have no complaints if my progeny were to end up like him.I just ca n't see being willing to pay that much more for a shake of the genetic dice based on a test score that has some pretty shaky links to actual intelligence .
Even if the donor is intelligent , it does not guarantee the child will be .
For overall quality of the child , you probably have the same chance taking a random egg from the " Not imprisoned/institutionalized , not mentally retarded , not stricken by some horrible disease " general population as you do selecting by something like SAT score .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saying some people are higher quality than others is a tough statement to make and depends on your definition of quality.
Intelligent?  Attractive?
Athletically Gifted?
Acting/Music/Artistically gifted?
Compassionate? Sane?
Less prone to diseases?
Heterosexual? Excellent work ethic?
Not an alcoholic/drug addict?
You are assuming that the traits you hold dear are the absolutes when it comes to judging a person's worth.
I know a few Intelligent, Attractive, lazy, drug abusing, insane jerks.
They really don't seem to enjoy life.
They are a drain on society and nothing I want my children to end up like.
I've met some rather unintelligent, homely, sane, drug free, hard working types.
Heck, my best friend probably falls into this group.
I'm pretty sure he'd fall under an IQ of 100, he isn't gross looking but he isn't really attractive either.
He does go work hard at his job (he fuels airplanes), he runs home to spend time with his daughter, he is the first person there when a friend is in need of help, and he is pretty well grounded and happy with life.
I consider him to be a very high quality individual.
I would have no complaints if my progeny were to end up like him.I just can't see being willing to pay that much more for a shake of the genetic dice based on a test score that has some pretty shaky links to actual intelligence.
Even if the donor is intelligent, it does not guarantee the child will be.
For overall quality of the child, you probably have the same chance taking a random egg from the "Not imprisoned/institutionalized, not mentally retarded, not stricken by some horrible disease" general population as you do selecting by something like SAT score.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660838</id>
	<title>Re:What about men?</title>
	<author>vekrander</author>
	<datestamp>1269893460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There actually are places out there where you can get paid a premium on your donation if you fulfill certain characteristics.  While SAT scores don't typically fetch higher prices, a man's profession can fetch them higher values particularly if they are a doctor or lawyer.  Racial or ethnic background can add to the value as the price paid for the specimen depends on what has a high demand at the bank.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There actually are places out there where you can get paid a premium on your donation if you fulfill certain characteristics .
While SAT scores do n't typically fetch higher prices , a man 's profession can fetch them higher values particularly if they are a doctor or lawyer .
Racial or ethnic background can add to the value as the price paid for the specimen depends on what has a high demand at the bank .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There actually are places out there where you can get paid a premium on your donation if you fulfill certain characteristics.
While SAT scores don't typically fetch higher prices, a man's profession can fetch them higher values particularly if they are a doctor or lawyer.
Racial or ethnic background can add to the value as the price paid for the specimen depends on what has a high demand at the bank.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31666036</id>
	<title>Re:What's this worth?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269879420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>High metablosim - hint, hint</p></div><p>Cons:<br>- An F in grammar!<br>- More full of himself than a French-American-Nazi-hybrid.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>High metablosim - hint , hintCons : - An F in grammar ! - More full of himself than a French-American-Nazi-hybrid .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>High metablosim - hint, hintCons:- An F in grammar!- More full of himself than a French-American-Nazi-hybrid.
;)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660794</id>
	<title>They should be smart enough to understand the risk</title>
	<author>kg8484</author>
	<datestamp>1269893340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>FTA:<p><div class="quote"><p>The Harvard Crimson was one of three college newspapers that ran an identical classified ad seeking a woman who fit a narrow profile: younger than 29 with a GPA over 3.5 and an SAT score over 1,400.</p></div><p>Wouldn't one think that someone going to Harvard with a high GPA and SAT score be smart enough to weigh the risks? Furthermore, these aren't desperate people from a starving nation; they are kids going to some of the most prestigious schools in the country.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : The Harvard Crimson was one of three college newspapers that ran an identical classified ad seeking a woman who fit a narrow profile : younger than 29 with a GPA over 3.5 and an SAT score over 1,400.Would n't one think that someone going to Harvard with a high GPA and SAT score be smart enough to weigh the risks ?
Furthermore , these are n't desperate people from a starving nation ; they are kids going to some of the most prestigious schools in the country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA:The Harvard Crimson was one of three college newspapers that ran an identical classified ad seeking a woman who fit a narrow profile: younger than 29 with a GPA over 3.5 and an SAT score over 1,400.Wouldn't one think that someone going to Harvard with a high GPA and SAT score be smart enough to weigh the risks?
Furthermore, these aren't desperate people from a starving nation; they are kids going to some of the most prestigious schools in the country.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31663032</id>
	<title>Re:What about men?</title>
	<author>Zero\_Independent</author>
	<datestamp>1269860580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But it's not their child. If you replace your kid with some else's who is superior, you haven't increased the genetic superiority of your gene lineage. In fact by raising someone else's kid, you're not only terminating your own linage but are actively boosting the propagation of someone else's genes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But it 's not their child .
If you replace your kid with some else 's who is superior , you have n't increased the genetic superiority of your gene lineage .
In fact by raising someone else 's kid , you 're not only terminating your own linage but are actively boosting the propagation of someone else 's genes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it's not their child.
If you replace your kid with some else's who is superior, you haven't increased the genetic superiority of your gene lineage.
In fact by raising someone else's kid, you're not only terminating your own linage but are actively boosting the propagation of someone else's genes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661154</id>
	<title>Re:What about men?</title>
	<author>e2d2</author>
	<datestamp>1269895020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It depends. How long is your SAT? If it's over 10 inches then yes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It depends .
How long is your SAT ?
If it 's over 10 inches then yes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It depends.
How long is your SAT?
If it's over 10 inches then yes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661852</id>
	<title>How horrible is the donation process?</title>
	<author>wonkavader</author>
	<datestamp>1269855180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My coworker suggests that the process involves a roughly six month process of pretty nasty drugs, which makes the money a lot less attractive.</p><p>Are these offers generally for a few eggs, for fifty, for one which implants properly, for one which comes to term, etc?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My coworker suggests that the process involves a roughly six month process of pretty nasty drugs , which makes the money a lot less attractive.Are these offers generally for a few eggs , for fifty , for one which implants properly , for one which comes to term , etc ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My coworker suggests that the process involves a roughly six month process of pretty nasty drugs, which makes the money a lot less attractive.Are these offers generally for a few eggs, for fifty, for one which implants properly, for one which comes to term, etc?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31663358</id>
	<title>Re:What's this worth?</title>
	<author>Totenglocke</author>
	<datestamp>1269862560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think you forgot to list "excellent oral skills" on there!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you forgot to list " excellent oral skills " on there !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you forgot to list "excellent oral skills" on there!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660790</id>
	<title>I have VERY high SAT scores</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1269893280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I called them and asked about what their going rate was for a high-SAT scorer like me, and they offered me $12,000!</p><p>Things went badly when I asked if the eggs had to be organic, and what size they should be, and was styrofoam OK or did they prefer paper cartons.  Oh, and when they found out I was a guy.</p><p>Sexist bastards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I called them and asked about what their going rate was for a high-SAT scorer like me , and they offered me $ 12,000 ! Things went badly when I asked if the eggs had to be organic , and what size they should be , and was styrofoam OK or did they prefer paper cartons .
Oh , and when they found out I was a guy.Sexist bastards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I called them and asked about what their going rate was for a high-SAT scorer like me, and they offered me $12,000!Things went badly when I asked if the eggs had to be organic, and what size they should be, and was styrofoam OK or did they prefer paper cartons.
Oh, and when they found out I was a guy.Sexist bastards.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31662960</id>
	<title>Re:Genetics and prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269860220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm are you talking about the same Harvard president who suggested that the reason there were less postdoc women was because they were innately inferior?<br><a href="http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2006/02/22/14562/" title="dailyprincetonian.com">www.dailyprincetonian.com</a> [dailyprincetonian.com] </p><p>There are facts that women are under-represented in a lot of careers, particularly engineering, but rather than funding rigorous studies "on whether or not women lack the same mental abilities as men", shouldn't we be looking at social problems?  Perhaps those women were told at a young age that they couldn't be good at math, or encouraged to play with dollies while the boys were encouraged play with Legos and blocks.  It was only within the last 50 years that women were even let into most rigorous programs (medicine, law, etc).  They were often refused on the most flimsy and outright sexist grounds, "Well academically you are overqualified, but we can't admit you because you might get pregnant and then will drop out"</p><p>I think history has had enough people trying to argue a scientific basis for discrimination or bias against women and minorities.  If you want to do rigorous research, you will have to eliminate social and class variables which is quite impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm are you talking about the same Harvard president who suggested that the reason there were less postdoc women was because they were innately inferior ? www.dailyprincetonian.com [ dailyprincetonian.com ] There are facts that women are under-represented in a lot of careers , particularly engineering , but rather than funding rigorous studies " on whether or not women lack the same mental abilities as men " , should n't we be looking at social problems ?
Perhaps those women were told at a young age that they could n't be good at math , or encouraged to play with dollies while the boys were encouraged play with Legos and blocks .
It was only within the last 50 years that women were even let into most rigorous programs ( medicine , law , etc ) .
They were often refused on the most flimsy and outright sexist grounds , " Well academically you are overqualified , but we ca n't admit you because you might get pregnant and then will drop out " I think history has had enough people trying to argue a scientific basis for discrimination or bias against women and minorities .
If you want to do rigorous research , you will have to eliminate social and class variables which is quite impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm are you talking about the same Harvard president who suggested that the reason there were less postdoc women was because they were innately inferior?www.dailyprincetonian.com [dailyprincetonian.com] There are facts that women are under-represented in a lot of careers, particularly engineering, but rather than funding rigorous studies "on whether or not women lack the same mental abilities as men", shouldn't we be looking at social problems?
Perhaps those women were told at a young age that they couldn't be good at math, or encouraged to play with dollies while the boys were encouraged play with Legos and blocks.
It was only within the last 50 years that women were even let into most rigorous programs (medicine, law, etc).
They were often refused on the most flimsy and outright sexist grounds, "Well academically you are overqualified, but we can't admit you because you might get pregnant and then will drop out"I think history has had enough people trying to argue a scientific basis for discrimination or bias against women and minorities.
If you want to do rigorous research, you will have to eliminate social and class variables which is quite impossible.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31662742</id>
	<title>Re:DON'T DO IT</title>
	<author>amplt1337</author>
	<datestamp>1269859140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There have been court cases where the mother who was artificially inseminated with donated sperm was later able to track down the man who donated the sperm, and successfully sue him for child support.</p> </div><p>Mmhm.  What's the source on this?  I remember a case like that happening once in Germany about ten years back, when the sperm donor was a personal friend of the woman receiving the sperm, but that was the only one I ever heard of.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There have been court cases where the mother who was artificially inseminated with donated sperm was later able to track down the man who donated the sperm , and successfully sue him for child support .
Mmhm. What 's the source on this ?
I remember a case like that happening once in Germany about ten years back , when the sperm donor was a personal friend of the woman receiving the sperm , but that was the only one I ever heard of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There have been court cases where the mother who was artificially inseminated with donated sperm was later able to track down the man who donated the sperm, and successfully sue him for child support.
Mmhm.  What's the source on this?
I remember a case like that happening once in Germany about ten years back, when the sperm donor was a personal friend of the woman receiving the sperm, but that was the only one I ever heard of.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31665088</id>
	<title>Lifetime earning potential</title>
	<author>Stuntmonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1269871920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not surprisingly, higher SAT scores correlate with a higher eventual annual income, something to the tune of <a href="http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/27/sat-scores-and-family-income/" title="nytimes.com">$20k/yr per 40 points</a> [nytimes.com] in the combined SAT score (critical reading + math + writing).  Assuming wages increase at the inflation rate of 3\%, income is earned from ages 23 through 65, and a discount rate of 10\%, the average additional lifetime earning potential of +100 points equates to $162k in present dollars.</p><p>Obviously not all eggs result in a baby; only <a href="http://www.advancedfertility.com/eggspregnancyrates.htm" title="advancedfertility.com">about 10\% of eggs result in a live birth.</a> [advancedfertility.com]  Even so, the economic value of higher SAT scores makes the $2350 look pretty trivial.</p><p>As for the American Society for Reproductive Medicine discouraging "compensation based on donors' personal characteristics"...well, they're exactly not raising my kid are they?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not surprisingly , higher SAT scores correlate with a higher eventual annual income , something to the tune of $ 20k/yr per 40 points [ nytimes.com ] in the combined SAT score ( critical reading + math + writing ) .
Assuming wages increase at the inflation rate of 3 \ % , income is earned from ages 23 through 65 , and a discount rate of 10 \ % , the average additional lifetime earning potential of + 100 points equates to $ 162k in present dollars.Obviously not all eggs result in a baby ; only about 10 \ % of eggs result in a live birth .
[ advancedfertility.com ] Even so , the economic value of higher SAT scores makes the $ 2350 look pretty trivial.As for the American Society for Reproductive Medicine discouraging " compensation based on donors ' personal characteristics " ...well , they 're exactly not raising my kid are they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not surprisingly, higher SAT scores correlate with a higher eventual annual income, something to the tune of $20k/yr per 40 points [nytimes.com] in the combined SAT score (critical reading + math + writing).
Assuming wages increase at the inflation rate of 3\%, income is earned from ages 23 through 65, and a discount rate of 10\%, the average additional lifetime earning potential of +100 points equates to $162k in present dollars.Obviously not all eggs result in a baby; only about 10\% of eggs result in a live birth.
[advancedfertility.com]  Even so, the economic value of higher SAT scores makes the $2350 look pretty trivial.As for the American Society for Reproductive Medicine discouraging "compensation based on donors' personal characteristics"...well, they're exactly not raising my kid are they?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31665330</id>
	<title>What do they think 'commodity' means?</title>
	<author>Asdanf</author>
	<datestamp>1269873960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Concerned about eggs being treated as commodities<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the American Society for Reproductive Medicine discourages compensation based on donors' personal characteristics.</p></div><p>Basing compensation on characteristics of the egg causes differentiation in the market, and <b>prevents</b> eggs from becoming a commodity.  The ASRM is making no sense.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Concerned about eggs being treated as commodities ... the American Society for Reproductive Medicine discourages compensation based on donors ' personal characteristics.Basing compensation on characteristics of the egg causes differentiation in the market , and prevents eggs from becoming a commodity .
The ASRM is making no sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Concerned about eggs being treated as commodities ... the American Society for Reproductive Medicine discourages compensation based on donors' personal characteristics.Basing compensation on characteristics of the egg causes differentiation in the market, and prevents eggs from becoming a commodity.
The ASRM is making no sense.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660924</id>
	<title>Why discourage this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269893880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think that the worries expressed betray a double standard. How does it make sense to worry about high-SAT women "ignoring the health dangers" of forced ovulation, when you don't worry about low-SAT women ignoring the same dangers and getting a tenth of the money for the ordeal? To be clear: these people don't want women to stop donating eggs. They don't want high-SAT women donating eggs for a lot of money. But the risk in each donation is the same!</p><p>In any case, an egg donor will suddenly get a quick and large pile of money. I think the real question should be: How will the money be spent? If the donor gets $50,000 and uses it to help pay for three semesters of her Princeton tuition, I don't see a problem. If another donor, who is not in college, spends $5,000 on shoes and handbags, I don't see a great deal of good having been done.</p><p>I know someone who has donated an egg, and she was actually pretty sick for a part of the procedure. Smart women in Princeton, who have other options, will not want to undergo something like this unless you offer them more money. That just seems like a fact. But if the people who want the eggs have the money, and their satisfaction is increased by the knowledge that their donor is academically talented, and the donor herself will use the money to develop her talents further, it's a clear case of "everyone wins."</p><p>

So why does the American Society for Reproductive Medicine need to shit on this optimal outcome? I think they should be encouraging it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that the worries expressed betray a double standard .
How does it make sense to worry about high-SAT women " ignoring the health dangers " of forced ovulation , when you do n't worry about low-SAT women ignoring the same dangers and getting a tenth of the money for the ordeal ?
To be clear : these people do n't want women to stop donating eggs .
They do n't want high-SAT women donating eggs for a lot of money .
But the risk in each donation is the same ! In any case , an egg donor will suddenly get a quick and large pile of money .
I think the real question should be : How will the money be spent ?
If the donor gets $ 50,000 and uses it to help pay for three semesters of her Princeton tuition , I do n't see a problem .
If another donor , who is not in college , spends $ 5,000 on shoes and handbags , I do n't see a great deal of good having been done.I know someone who has donated an egg , and she was actually pretty sick for a part of the procedure .
Smart women in Princeton , who have other options , will not want to undergo something like this unless you offer them more money .
That just seems like a fact .
But if the people who want the eggs have the money , and their satisfaction is increased by the knowledge that their donor is academically talented , and the donor herself will use the money to develop her talents further , it 's a clear case of " everyone wins .
" So why does the American Society for Reproductive Medicine need to shit on this optimal outcome ?
I think they should be encouraging it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that the worries expressed betray a double standard.
How does it make sense to worry about high-SAT women "ignoring the health dangers" of forced ovulation, when you don't worry about low-SAT women ignoring the same dangers and getting a tenth of the money for the ordeal?
To be clear: these people don't want women to stop donating eggs.
They don't want high-SAT women donating eggs for a lot of money.
But the risk in each donation is the same!In any case, an egg donor will suddenly get a quick and large pile of money.
I think the real question should be: How will the money be spent?
If the donor gets $50,000 and uses it to help pay for three semesters of her Princeton tuition, I don't see a problem.
If another donor, who is not in college, spends $5,000 on shoes and handbags, I don't see a great deal of good having been done.I know someone who has donated an egg, and she was actually pretty sick for a part of the procedure.
Smart women in Princeton, who have other options, will not want to undergo something like this unless you offer them more money.
That just seems like a fact.
But if the people who want the eggs have the money, and their satisfaction is increased by the knowledge that their donor is academically talented, and the donor herself will use the money to develop her talents further, it's a clear case of "everyone wins.
"

So why does the American Society for Reproductive Medicine need to shit on this optimal outcome?
I think they should be encouraging it!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660714</id>
	<title>Is this news</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1269893100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought this was the case with sperm donors for over 20 years.  I'm surprised it took so long to apply it to the ova<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I mean other side of the transaction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought this was the case with sperm donors for over 20 years .
I 'm surprised it took so long to apply it to the ova ... I mean other side of the transaction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought this was the case with sperm donors for over 20 years.
I'm surprised it took so long to apply it to the ova ... I mean other side of the transaction.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31662036</id>
	<title>Re:What about men?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269856080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Men don't get crap for sperm unless they're 6'+, physically fit, no diseases or sickness, very high SAT or college stats, and in a high paying profession.</p><p>Why? Because there are tons of men who want donate, and almost no women who want to pay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Men do n't get crap for sperm unless they 're 6 ' + , physically fit , no diseases or sickness , very high SAT or college stats , and in a high paying profession.Why ?
Because there are tons of men who want donate , and almost no women who want to pay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Men don't get crap for sperm unless they're 6'+, physically fit, no diseases or sickness, very high SAT or college stats, and in a high paying profession.Why?
Because there are tons of men who want donate, and almost no women who want to pay.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661940</id>
	<title>Re:Numbers don't lie but they are vague.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269855660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Regression estimates are orthogonal effects, i.e., they are independent of the other factors included in the model.  Have you even had a basic statistics class?</p><p>Unless you have, why are you statistically critiquing a study that surely several real statisticians already have?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Regression estimates are orthogonal effects , i.e. , they are independent of the other factors included in the model .
Have you even had a basic statistics class ? Unless you have , why are you statistically critiquing a study that surely several real statisticians already have ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regression estimates are orthogonal effects, i.e., they are independent of the other factors included in the model.
Have you even had a basic statistics class?Unless you have, why are you statistically critiquing a study that surely several real statisticians already have?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31665388</id>
	<title>SATs? I remember them.</title>
	<author>Ralph Spoilsport</author>
	<datestamp>1269874380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I pulled an 1180. I should have done a lot better - my pretests we all around 1300 - 1400. I figured - heck that was easy, so I dropped a shitload of acid and  was tripping my butt off the whole time. My pencil kept melting.I had a kneadable eraser and when I pulled on that thing - damn - I lost a solid 20 minutes just stretching that thing around. Then I panicked, and instantly there was this smelly horde of bats hovering on my right shoulder, making fun of me like they were a bunch of greasers... "YO RALPH! The answer to question 10 is PINOCHLE MOTHERFUXOR!!! SNOW IS VAGUE! SO IS TUESDAY!!!! Come on man touch your dick. Your dick itches man. Do it now. who cares what people think - you gotta scratch your itch and your DICK ITCHES!" And crap like that. Cuz my dick didn't itch. They were just fuckin with me. Stupid bats.
<p>
Damn. 1180's not so bad, so I didn't bother retaking it. I still got into the university of my choice.
</p><p>
Learned a big lesson, though. Purple Microdot can be pretty sketchy stuff, and its all SETTING.
</p><p>
Throw the horsie some sugar cubes! Oh LOOK! It's all PAISLEY!!!
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I pulled an 1180 .
I should have done a lot better - my pretests we all around 1300 - 1400 .
I figured - heck that was easy , so I dropped a shitload of acid and was tripping my butt off the whole time .
My pencil kept melting.I had a kneadable eraser and when I pulled on that thing - damn - I lost a solid 20 minutes just stretching that thing around .
Then I panicked , and instantly there was this smelly horde of bats hovering on my right shoulder , making fun of me like they were a bunch of greasers... " YO RALPH !
The answer to question 10 is PINOCHLE MOTHERFUXOR ! ! !
SNOW IS VAGUE !
SO IS TUESDAY ! ! ! !
Come on man touch your dick .
Your dick itches man .
Do it now .
who cares what people think - you got ta scratch your itch and your DICK ITCHES !
" And crap like that .
Cuz my dick did n't itch .
They were just fuckin with me .
Stupid bats .
Damn. 1180 's not so bad , so I did n't bother retaking it .
I still got into the university of my choice .
Learned a big lesson , though .
Purple Microdot can be pretty sketchy stuff , and its all SETTING .
Throw the horsie some sugar cubes !
Oh LOOK !
It 's all PAISLEY ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I pulled an 1180.
I should have done a lot better - my pretests we all around 1300 - 1400.
I figured - heck that was easy, so I dropped a shitload of acid and  was tripping my butt off the whole time.
My pencil kept melting.I had a kneadable eraser and when I pulled on that thing - damn - I lost a solid 20 minutes just stretching that thing around.
Then I panicked, and instantly there was this smelly horde of bats hovering on my right shoulder, making fun of me like they were a bunch of greasers... "YO RALPH!
The answer to question 10 is PINOCHLE MOTHERFUXOR!!!
SNOW IS VAGUE!
SO IS TUESDAY!!!!
Come on man touch your dick.
Your dick itches man.
Do it now.
who cares what people think - you gotta scratch your itch and your DICK ITCHES!
" And crap like that.
Cuz my dick didn't itch.
They were just fuckin with me.
Stupid bats.
Damn. 1180's not so bad, so I didn't bother retaking it.
I still got into the university of my choice.
Learned a big lesson, though.
Purple Microdot can be pretty sketchy stuff, and its all SETTING.
Throw the horsie some sugar cubes!
Oh LOOK!
It's all PAISLEY!!
!
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31663776</id>
	<title>Re:JJ's Fertility and SAT Cram Course</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269864840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://xkcd.com/250/" title="xkcd.com" rel="nofollow">oh my god.</a> [xkcd.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>oh my god .
[ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oh my god.
[xkcd.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661714</id>
	<title>Re:Let the free market decide</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269854580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, given the number of people who die each year for the lack of a kidney donation, the fact that one kidney is generally sufficient, I would suggest that allowing people to sell a kidney would be in our overall best interests... I'm awaiting any actual reason other than the 'ick' factor to ban paying kidney donors.  There would be a hell of a lot more kidneys available and fewer people dieing if they were sellable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , given the number of people who die each year for the lack of a kidney donation , the fact that one kidney is generally sufficient , I would suggest that allowing people to sell a kidney would be in our overall best interests... I 'm awaiting any actual reason other than the 'ick ' factor to ban paying kidney donors .
There would be a hell of a lot more kidneys available and fewer people dieing if they were sellable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, given the number of people who die each year for the lack of a kidney donation, the fact that one kidney is generally sufficient, I would suggest that allowing people to sell a kidney would be in our overall best interests... I'm awaiting any actual reason other than the 'ick' factor to ban paying kidney donors.
There would be a hell of a lot more kidneys available and fewer people dieing if they were sellable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661572</id>
	<title>Re:DON'T DO IT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269854100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If that was really fair, the woman would have to continue having sex with the man after the divorce, since that was the lifestyle he was used to when married</p></div><p>

Married men accustomed to regular sex, You are obviously not married.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If that was really fair , the woman would have to continue having sex with the man after the divorce , since that was the lifestyle he was used to when married Married men accustomed to regular sex , You are obviously not married .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If that was really fair, the woman would have to continue having sex with the man after the divorce, since that was the lifestyle he was used to when married

Married men accustomed to regular sex, You are obviously not married.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31663356</id>
	<title>Dangers of egg donation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269862560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The whole egg donation market is skewed towards the woman receiving the eggs.  There is simply no data collection to see how these donors are doing health wise in the long run after going through an egg donation cycle.  An egg donation cycle means that a donor gets injected with an ungodly and unnatural amount of hormones in order to hyper stimulate her eggs into producing mass quantities of eggs.  This large amount of hormones has been known to cause cancer to donors down the road and only now in the internet age, do we start to see women sharing their egg donor horror stories.  Currently there are bills in Arizona and Tennessee that are attempting to create a national database of egg donors in order to track a donor's long term health and more accurately expose the dangers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole egg donation market is skewed towards the woman receiving the eggs .
There is simply no data collection to see how these donors are doing health wise in the long run after going through an egg donation cycle .
An egg donation cycle means that a donor gets injected with an ungodly and unnatural amount of hormones in order to hyper stimulate her eggs into producing mass quantities of eggs .
This large amount of hormones has been known to cause cancer to donors down the road and only now in the internet age , do we start to see women sharing their egg donor horror stories .
Currently there are bills in Arizona and Tennessee that are attempting to create a national database of egg donors in order to track a donor 's long term health and more accurately expose the dangers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole egg donation market is skewed towards the woman receiving the eggs.
There is simply no data collection to see how these donors are doing health wise in the long run after going through an egg donation cycle.
An egg donation cycle means that a donor gets injected with an ungodly and unnatural amount of hormones in order to hyper stimulate her eggs into producing mass quantities of eggs.
This large amount of hormones has been known to cause cancer to donors down the road and only now in the internet age, do we start to see women sharing their egg donor horror stories.
Currently there are bills in Arizona and Tennessee that are attempting to create a national database of egg donors in order to track a donor's long term health and more accurately expose the dangers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661144</id>
	<title>Wait, this sounds like</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269894960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait, this sounds like a movie.  Two Brothers, betting on the heredity vs. environment thing, something about a dollar... Oh well, this sounds old and lame.</p><p>So SAT scores mean what in terms of offspring?  That the person had better opportunities to learn?  They were cared for and had an environment that fostered education?  That they could handle word problems?</p><p>What if the consumers buying the egg are morons?  Yeah, paying that much for a donor egg would render your intellect questionable.  I think, like some of these other posts, that the genetic makeup would be at a premium.  I want characteristic X, Y, Z not that it came from a person<br>with a high SAT.  Then again, we can always start a Eugenics War and see if the smart folks prevail.  Now for me, I'm looking for:</p><p>Cross between Rachquel Welch, Barbara Eden, Anna Nicole Smith and Tylene Buck.  And to make it simpler, I'm just looking for manual modes of dealing with my offspring, nothing artificial is required.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , this sounds like a movie .
Two Brothers , betting on the heredity vs. environment thing , something about a dollar... Oh well , this sounds old and lame.So SAT scores mean what in terms of offspring ?
That the person had better opportunities to learn ?
They were cared for and had an environment that fostered education ?
That they could handle word problems ? What if the consumers buying the egg are morons ?
Yeah , paying that much for a donor egg would render your intellect questionable .
I think , like some of these other posts , that the genetic makeup would be at a premium .
I want characteristic X , Y , Z not that it came from a personwith a high SAT .
Then again , we can always start a Eugenics War and see if the smart folks prevail .
Now for me , I 'm looking for : Cross between Rachquel Welch , Barbara Eden , Anna Nicole Smith and Tylene Buck .
And to make it simpler , I 'm just looking for manual modes of dealing with my offspring , nothing artificial is required .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, this sounds like a movie.
Two Brothers, betting on the heredity vs. environment thing, something about a dollar... Oh well, this sounds old and lame.So SAT scores mean what in terms of offspring?
That the person had better opportunities to learn?
They were cared for and had an environment that fostered education?
That they could handle word problems?What if the consumers buying the egg are morons?
Yeah, paying that much for a donor egg would render your intellect questionable.
I think, like some of these other posts, that the genetic makeup would be at a premium.
I want characteristic X, Y, Z not that it came from a personwith a high SAT.
Then again, we can always start a Eugenics War and see if the smart folks prevail.
Now for me, I'm looking for:Cross between Rachquel Welch, Barbara Eden, Anna Nicole Smith and Tylene Buck.
And to make it simpler, I'm just looking for manual modes of dealing with my offspring, nothing artificial is required.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31666876</id>
	<title>Re:DON'T DO IT</title>
	<author>amplt1337</author>
	<datestamp>1269888060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, I did some more looking into this.  More info e.g. <a href="http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2883/can-a-sperm-donor-be-forced-to-pay-child-support" title="straightdope.com">here</a> [straightdope.com].</p><p>The parent's point (misogynistic ranting aside) is actually correct; many states consider parentage and parental obligations to inhere in genetic parentage.  This has nothing to do with the mother's rights vs. the father's; it's about the child's right to support.  Which is fair enough as far as it goes, except the legal precedent is obsessed with the child at the expense of the parents (e.g. a case where a 12-year-old who impregnated his babysitter is liable for child support, even though it was statutory rape -- that ruling actually implies that consent to a sexual act is of no relevance whatsoever in determining obligations to the child, which is obviously wrong; there is no better example of a case where a child should be supported by the community/state rather than a 12-year-old...)</p><p>Family law is far from just, but it looks like a couple really could sue a female egg donor for child support if they could demonstrate that she was in a better financial position than they were, and they didn't mind that the woman who received the egg would probably lose all parental rights to a  "stranger child."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , I did some more looking into this .
More info e.g .
here [ straightdope.com ] .The parent 's point ( misogynistic ranting aside ) is actually correct ; many states consider parentage and parental obligations to inhere in genetic parentage .
This has nothing to do with the mother 's rights vs. the father 's ; it 's about the child 's right to support .
Which is fair enough as far as it goes , except the legal precedent is obsessed with the child at the expense of the parents ( e.g .
a case where a 12-year-old who impregnated his babysitter is liable for child support , even though it was statutory rape -- that ruling actually implies that consent to a sexual act is of no relevance whatsoever in determining obligations to the child , which is obviously wrong ; there is no better example of a case where a child should be supported by the community/state rather than a 12-year-old... ) Family law is far from just , but it looks like a couple really could sue a female egg donor for child support if they could demonstrate that she was in a better financial position than they were , and they did n't mind that the woman who received the egg would probably lose all parental rights to a " stranger child .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, I did some more looking into this.
More info e.g.
here [straightdope.com].The parent's point (misogynistic ranting aside) is actually correct; many states consider parentage and parental obligations to inhere in genetic parentage.
This has nothing to do with the mother's rights vs. the father's; it's about the child's right to support.
Which is fair enough as far as it goes, except the legal precedent is obsessed with the child at the expense of the parents (e.g.
a case where a 12-year-old who impregnated his babysitter is liable for child support, even though it was statutory rape -- that ruling actually implies that consent to a sexual act is of no relevance whatsoever in determining obligations to the child, which is obviously wrong; there is no better example of a case where a child should be supported by the community/state rather than a 12-year-old...)Family law is far from just, but it looks like a couple really could sue a female egg donor for child support if they could demonstrate that she was in a better financial position than they were, and they didn't mind that the woman who received the egg would probably lose all parental rights to a  "stranger child.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660834</id>
	<title>Cha-Ching!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269893460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Each woman has two ovaries with 300,000 eggs each.  At $35,000 per egg, that's $21-billion per woman.  You'd think more women would cash in on this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Each woman has two ovaries with 300,000 eggs each .
At $ 35,000 per egg , that 's $ 21-billion per woman .
You 'd think more women would cash in on this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Each woman has two ovaries with 300,000 eggs each.
At $35,000 per egg, that's $21-billion per woman.
You'd think more women would cash in on this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31662674</id>
	<title>Re:DON'T DO IT</title>
	<author>Pamplona Slowpoke</author>
	<datestamp>1269858780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Alimony is a total insult; it's the notion that a woman has a legal right to get used to a particular lifestyle that her husband provided, and therefore her former husband has to pay her money after the divorce to make sure she doesn't have to get used to what her income alone can provide.</p></div><p>Put the shoe on the other foot.  I married my ex right out of college.  She went to medical school and I started work doing contract programming starting in 1995.  I did really well through Y2K and on into 2003.  I quit working when our son was born and she only had 6 months left of a general surgery residency at the Mayo Clinic.  Afterwords we moved to her home town in rural Montana.  4 years later she and one of the orthopedic surgeons in town become an item.</p><p>During the 9 years she went to medical school and residency I earned $855,000 more than her.  The legal term for that is a reduced marital estate due to her deferring income for a greater income in the future.</p><p>There is no demand for programmers here in Montana and I am making about 28\% what I was able to previously.  Do I deserve alimony so I can defer my income for 4 to 6 years to gain a skill that does have demand in here where I live so I can live in the same town as my son?  Yes I do.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Alimony is a total insult ; it 's the notion that a woman has a legal right to get used to a particular lifestyle that her husband provided , and therefore her former husband has to pay her money after the divorce to make sure she does n't have to get used to what her income alone can provide.Put the shoe on the other foot .
I married my ex right out of college .
She went to medical school and I started work doing contract programming starting in 1995 .
I did really well through Y2K and on into 2003 .
I quit working when our son was born and she only had 6 months left of a general surgery residency at the Mayo Clinic .
Afterwords we moved to her home town in rural Montana .
4 years later she and one of the orthopedic surgeons in town become an item.During the 9 years she went to medical school and residency I earned $ 855,000 more than her .
The legal term for that is a reduced marital estate due to her deferring income for a greater income in the future.There is no demand for programmers here in Montana and I am making about 28 \ % what I was able to previously .
Do I deserve alimony so I can defer my income for 4 to 6 years to gain a skill that does have demand in here where I live so I can live in the same town as my son ?
Yes I do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alimony is a total insult; it's the notion that a woman has a legal right to get used to a particular lifestyle that her husband provided, and therefore her former husband has to pay her money after the divorce to make sure she doesn't have to get used to what her income alone can provide.Put the shoe on the other foot.
I married my ex right out of college.
She went to medical school and I started work doing contract programming starting in 1995.
I did really well through Y2K and on into 2003.
I quit working when our son was born and she only had 6 months left of a general surgery residency at the Mayo Clinic.
Afterwords we moved to her home town in rural Montana.
4 years later she and one of the orthopedic surgeons in town become an item.During the 9 years she went to medical school and residency I earned $855,000 more than her.
The legal term for that is a reduced marital estate due to her deferring income for a greater income in the future.There is no demand for programmers here in Montana and I am making about 28\% what I was able to previously.
Do I deserve alimony so I can defer my income for 4 to 6 years to gain a skill that does have demand in here where I live so I can live in the same town as my son?
Yes I do.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31664876</id>
	<title>Re:Let the free market decide</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1269870660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since cloning is increasingly easy to do, I would think the value should be near $0 very soon.
<p>
However, I hope there is some maximum number of children that any single person is able to (indirectly) have.  If it gets to the point that thousands of people have the same biological mother or father, which technically should be quiet easy now or very soon, we are going to see a lot of inbreeding problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since cloning is increasingly easy to do , I would think the value should be near $ 0 very soon .
However , I hope there is some maximum number of children that any single person is able to ( indirectly ) have .
If it gets to the point that thousands of people have the same biological mother or father , which technically should be quiet easy now or very soon , we are going to see a lot of inbreeding problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since cloning is increasingly easy to do, I would think the value should be near $0 very soon.
However, I hope there is some maximum number of children that any single person is able to (indirectly) have.
If it gets to the point that thousands of people have the same biological mother or father, which technically should be quiet easy now or very soon, we are going to see a lot of inbreeding problems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31663912</id>
	<title>Re:JJ's Fertility and SAT Cram Course</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269865500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But if someone uses your eggs to become successfully pregnant, then in the Darwinian sense, you've already reproduced - and with ridiculously little effort, since you got someone else to do all that tedious "being pregnant" and "feeding the kids" and "paying for their education".</p><p>Operation cuckoo: successful!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But if someone uses your eggs to become successfully pregnant , then in the Darwinian sense , you 've already reproduced - and with ridiculously little effort , since you got someone else to do all that tedious " being pregnant " and " feeding the kids " and " paying for their education " .Operation cuckoo : successful !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if someone uses your eggs to become successfully pregnant, then in the Darwinian sense, you've already reproduced - and with ridiculously little effort, since you got someone else to do all that tedious "being pregnant" and "feeding the kids" and "paying for their education".Operation cuckoo: successful!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660736</id>
	<title>Let the free market decide</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269893160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think society has any legitimate interest at stake here that is not covered by allowing the free market to set prices for human eggs.  It should be interesting to see what egg buyers will place real $ value on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think society has any legitimate interest at stake here that is not covered by allowing the free market to set prices for human eggs .
It should be interesting to see what egg buyers will place real $ value on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think society has any legitimate interest at stake here that is not covered by allowing the free market to set prices for human eggs.
It should be interesting to see what egg buyers will place real $ value on.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31662894</id>
	<title>Re:Let the free market decide</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1269859860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently it's morally wrong for rich people to get preferential treatment, even if the total number of lives saved by kidney transplants is the same regardless of who gets them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently it 's morally wrong for rich people to get preferential treatment , even if the total number of lives saved by kidney transplants is the same regardless of who gets them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently it's morally wrong for rich people to get preferential treatment, even if the total number of lives saved by kidney transplants is the same regardless of who gets them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31663528</id>
	<title>Re:Let the free market decide</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269863340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because nobody would sell his kidneys unless they were in a desperate situation. Allowing kidney sell gives an incentive to very wealthy sick persons to use their money to<br>1)find a compatible donor.<br>2)bankrupt them<br>3)come as the savior and offer them money in exchange for one kidney</p><p>Since society as a whole doesn't want persons to have incentives to harm others, society as a whole has decided to remove the choice from the individual and to forbid selling one's own kidneys. Result, extremely wealthy sick people don't have any  reason to do 2) since even if one is bankrupt he doesn't have the choice the ability to make a kidney/money exchange deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because nobody would sell his kidneys unless they were in a desperate situation .
Allowing kidney sell gives an incentive to very wealthy sick persons to use their money to1 ) find a compatible donor.2 ) bankrupt them3 ) come as the savior and offer them money in exchange for one kidneySince society as a whole does n't want persons to have incentives to harm others , society as a whole has decided to remove the choice from the individual and to forbid selling one 's own kidneys .
Result , extremely wealthy sick people do n't have any reason to do 2 ) since even if one is bankrupt he does n't have the choice the ability to make a kidney/money exchange deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because nobody would sell his kidneys unless they were in a desperate situation.
Allowing kidney sell gives an incentive to very wealthy sick persons to use their money to1)find a compatible donor.2)bankrupt them3)come as the savior and offer them money in exchange for one kidneySince society as a whole doesn't want persons to have incentives to harm others, society as a whole has decided to remove the choice from the individual and to forbid selling one's own kidneys.
Result, extremely wealthy sick people don't have any  reason to do 2) since even if one is bankrupt he doesn't have the choice the ability to make a kidney/money exchange deal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660758</id>
	<title>Re:What about men?</title>
	<author>Kenja</author>
	<datestamp>1269893220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Men they ask "where did you get these eggs from".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Men they ask " where did you get these eggs from " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Men they ask "where did you get these eggs from".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661644</id>
	<title>Re:Genetics and prejudice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269854340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There has been rigorous research on the matter, but the results aren't politically correct so they're considered bogus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There has been rigorous research on the matter , but the results are n't politically correct so they 're considered bogus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There has been rigorous research on the matter, but the results aren't politically correct so they're considered bogus.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660726</id>
	<title>What about men?</title>
	<author>Anitech</author>
	<datestamp>1269893100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do they offer men bonuses for high SAT scores?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they offer men bonuses for high SAT scores ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they offer men bonuses for high SAT scores?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660654</id>
	<title>duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269892800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>duh</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>duh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>duh</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661808</id>
	<title>Re:What about men?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269854940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Approximately like them. Unless you want to have the "No, we didn't adopt; but I shoot blanks/am a poison-womb" chat with everybody who sees your children, you usually want a donor or donors who are phenotypically similar to you.</p></div></blockquote><p>Why should people expect their kids to look like them?  It's rascalist, that is!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Approximately like them .
Unless you want to have the " No , we did n't adopt ; but I shoot blanks/am a poison-womb " chat with everybody who sees your children , you usually want a donor or donors who are phenotypically similar to you.Why should people expect their kids to look like them ?
It 's rascalist , that is !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Approximately like them.
Unless you want to have the "No, we didn't adopt; but I shoot blanks/am a poison-womb" chat with everybody who sees your children, you usually want a donor or donors who are phenotypically similar to you.Why should people expect their kids to look like them?
It's rascalist, that is!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31667538</id>
	<title>Re:Genetics and prejudice</title>
	<author>ajlisows</author>
	<datestamp>1269982500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My wife recently completed her degree to teach High School Geography/History/.   Over 90\% of the people in the same degree program as her were male.  She is still looking for a permanent job and is subbing for the time being.  Between subbing and two semesters of student teaching she has seen about 20 schools in the area.  She met a total of 4 female social studies teachers.  Three of them acted legitimately surprised to see another woman who wanted to be a History teacher.</p><p>Teaching High School History isn't really the first thing that comes to mind when you think of jobs that require intelligence.  My wife thought the degree program was laughably easy and I'm sure it wouldn't compare to getting a math or engineering degree.  There is clearly something else at play here other than intelligence.</p><p>  My wife's take on the matter has been that societal issues are the likely cause.  She knew only two other girls all through high school who enjoyed History and took higher level Social Studies classes.  A good number of her female relatives would repeatedly ask her why she would want to teach High School History....she could teach at a nice elementary school instead.  She is a little self conscious and wondered if there was something wrong with her wanting to study History.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My wife recently completed her degree to teach High School Geography/History/ .
Over 90 \ % of the people in the same degree program as her were male .
She is still looking for a permanent job and is subbing for the time being .
Between subbing and two semesters of student teaching she has seen about 20 schools in the area .
She met a total of 4 female social studies teachers .
Three of them acted legitimately surprised to see another woman who wanted to be a History teacher.Teaching High School History is n't really the first thing that comes to mind when you think of jobs that require intelligence .
My wife thought the degree program was laughably easy and I 'm sure it would n't compare to getting a math or engineering degree .
There is clearly something else at play here other than intelligence .
My wife 's take on the matter has been that societal issues are the likely cause .
She knew only two other girls all through high school who enjoyed History and took higher level Social Studies classes .
A good number of her female relatives would repeatedly ask her why she would want to teach High School History....she could teach at a nice elementary school instead .
She is a little self conscious and wondered if there was something wrong with her wanting to study History .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My wife recently completed her degree to teach High School Geography/History/.
Over 90\% of the people in the same degree program as her were male.
She is still looking for a permanent job and is subbing for the time being.
Between subbing and two semesters of student teaching she has seen about 20 schools in the area.
She met a total of 4 female social studies teachers.
Three of them acted legitimately surprised to see another woman who wanted to be a History teacher.Teaching High School History isn't really the first thing that comes to mind when you think of jobs that require intelligence.
My wife thought the degree program was laughably easy and I'm sure it wouldn't compare to getting a math or engineering degree.
There is clearly something else at play here other than intelligence.
My wife's take on the matter has been that societal issues are the likely cause.
She knew only two other girls all through high school who enjoyed History and took higher level Social Studies classes.
A good number of her female relatives would repeatedly ask her why she would want to teach High School History....she could teach at a nice elementary school instead.
She is a little self conscious and wondered if there was something wrong with her wanting to study History.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31663634</id>
	<title>Re:I have VERY high SAT scores</title>
	<author>MidnightBrewer</author>
	<datestamp>1269863940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly how far through the phone conversation did they get before they figured out you were a guy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly how far through the phone conversation did they get before they figured out you were a guy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly how far through the phone conversation did they get before they figured out you were a guy?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31662162</id>
	<title>Re:What about men?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269856680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>We'd have a smart mixed race kid</p></div></blockquote><p>So that'd be half Japanese, half Jew?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 'd have a smart mixed race kidSo that 'd be half Japanese , half Jew ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We'd have a smart mixed race kidSo that'd be half Japanese, half Jew?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31660730</id>
	<title>Re:duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269893160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>duh</p></div><p>I like fried eggs with a splash of sperm for breakfast.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>duhI like fried eggs with a splash of sperm for breakfast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>duhI like fried eggs with a splash of sperm for breakfast.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661372</id>
	<title>Re:Let the free market decide</title>
	<author>Bartab</author>
	<datestamp>1269896280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think society has any legitimate interest at stake here that is not covered by allowing the free market to set prices for human kidneys. It should be interesting to see what kidney buyers will place real $ value on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think society has any legitimate interest at stake here that is not covered by allowing the free market to set prices for human kidneys .
It should be interesting to see what kidney buyers will place real $ value on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think society has any legitimate interest at stake here that is not covered by allowing the free market to set prices for human kidneys.
It should be interesting to see what kidney buyers will place real $ value on.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661894</id>
	<title>Re:DON'T DO IT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269855420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wasn't "pussy payments" in return for alimony what Chris Rock advocated too in one of his routines? Then again, he has also had something about marriage meaning that sex ends...</p><p>Now, on a more serious note. Since I don't see why sperm banks shouldn't be there for those who want them, mechanisms should be in place to ensure that the donor is virtually untraceable. Whilst certain characteristics about the man might be fair to hand out, maybe donations with a note attached containing that anonymous information should be transported between banks on a random basis and without any records kept longer than absolutely necessary. Records about who has donated sperm should also not be kept any longer than necessary. Then tracing would at least cost too much to be worth it for child support. You'd have to employ a private investigator to narrow it down to maybe a few thousand men in the country (all who you can find out have donated and match the rough description) and then test a DNA sample from each one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't " pussy payments " in return for alimony what Chris Rock advocated too in one of his routines ?
Then again , he has also had something about marriage meaning that sex ends...Now , on a more serious note .
Since I do n't see why sperm banks should n't be there for those who want them , mechanisms should be in place to ensure that the donor is virtually untraceable .
Whilst certain characteristics about the man might be fair to hand out , maybe donations with a note attached containing that anonymous information should be transported between banks on a random basis and without any records kept longer than absolutely necessary .
Records about who has donated sperm should also not be kept any longer than necessary .
Then tracing would at least cost too much to be worth it for child support .
You 'd have to employ a private investigator to narrow it down to maybe a few thousand men in the country ( all who you can find out have donated and match the rough description ) and then test a DNA sample from each one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't "pussy payments" in return for alimony what Chris Rock advocated too in one of his routines?
Then again, he has also had something about marriage meaning that sex ends...Now, on a more serious note.
Since I don't see why sperm banks shouldn't be there for those who want them, mechanisms should be in place to ensure that the donor is virtually untraceable.
Whilst certain characteristics about the man might be fair to hand out, maybe donations with a note attached containing that anonymous information should be transported between banks on a random basis and without any records kept longer than absolutely necessary.
Records about who has donated sperm should also not be kept any longer than necessary.
Then tracing would at least cost too much to be worth it for child support.
You'd have to employ a private investigator to narrow it down to maybe a few thousand men in the country (all who you can find out have donated and match the rough description) and then test a DNA sample from each one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661212</id>
	<title>Re:What about men?</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1269895260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The numbers are <i>substantially</i> lower across the board, largely because harvesting eggs is an unpleasant business, while harvesting sperm is modestly recreational; but the same general principles apply.<br> <br>

People are generally looking for one of two things(or a combination) in a donor: A) Approximately like them. Unless you want to have the "No, we didn't adopt; but I shoot blanks/am a poison-womb" chat with everybody who sees your children, you usually want a donor or donors who are phenotypically similar to you. B)Superiority. If you get to chose, why not? This tendency is sometimes constrained by point A); but, when it comes right down to it, this sort of "soft" eugenics is hard to argue with, particularly against a parent who wants the best for their child. We know that all sorts of traits, physical and behavioral, are at least modestly heritable, so why not load the dice?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The numbers are substantially lower across the board , largely because harvesting eggs is an unpleasant business , while harvesting sperm is modestly recreational ; but the same general principles apply .
People are generally looking for one of two things ( or a combination ) in a donor : A ) Approximately like them .
Unless you want to have the " No , we did n't adopt ; but I shoot blanks/am a poison-womb " chat with everybody who sees your children , you usually want a donor or donors who are phenotypically similar to you .
B ) Superiority. If you get to chose , why not ?
This tendency is sometimes constrained by point A ) ; but , when it comes right down to it , this sort of " soft " eugenics is hard to argue with , particularly against a parent who wants the best for their child .
We know that all sorts of traits , physical and behavioral , are at least modestly heritable , so why not load the dice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The numbers are substantially lower across the board, largely because harvesting eggs is an unpleasant business, while harvesting sperm is modestly recreational; but the same general principles apply.
People are generally looking for one of two things(or a combination) in a donor: A) Approximately like them.
Unless you want to have the "No, we didn't adopt; but I shoot blanks/am a poison-womb" chat with everybody who sees your children, you usually want a donor or donors who are phenotypically similar to you.
B)Superiority. If you get to chose, why not?
This tendency is sometimes constrained by point A); but, when it comes right down to it, this sort of "soft" eugenics is hard to argue with, particularly against a parent who wants the best for their child.
We know that all sorts of traits, physical and behavioral, are at least modestly heritable, so why not load the dice?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31663526</id>
	<title>Re:What about men?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269863340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IF you have ever actually looked into donating sperm, it isn't that recreational.<br>You need to maximize your sperm count.<br>They have rules about what activities you can do and still get payed to donate.<br>You give up real sex and regular masturbation for at least 6 months.<br>In that time you only release maybe handful of times, so to speak, all at the donation facility.<br>Then they only pay you if the sperm meets testing criteria.<br>The payment is pretty low as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IF you have ever actually looked into donating sperm , it is n't that recreational.You need to maximize your sperm count.They have rules about what activities you can do and still get payed to donate.You give up real sex and regular masturbation for at least 6 months.In that time you only release maybe handful of times , so to speak , all at the donation facility.Then they only pay you if the sperm meets testing criteria.The payment is pretty low as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IF you have ever actually looked into donating sperm, it isn't that recreational.You need to maximize your sperm count.They have rules about what activities you can do and still get payed to donate.You give up real sex and regular masturbation for at least 6 months.In that time you only release maybe handful of times, so to speak, all at the donation facility.Then they only pay you if the sperm meets testing criteria.The payment is pretty low as well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31666148</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269880320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So that&rsquo;s the reason women do so much stretching in their aerobic courses?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So that    s the reason women do so much stretching in their aerobic courses ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So that’s the reason women do so much stretching in their aerobic courses?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31661274</id>
	<title>What's this worth?</title>
	<author>Trip6</author>
	<datestamp>1269895620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SATs over 750 each<br>Certified Mensa IQ<br>Concert pianist<br>Well endowed<br>High metablosim - hint, hint<br>Blonde, blue eyes</p><p>Starting bid: $youcantaffordit</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SATs over 750 eachCertified Mensa IQConcert pianistWell endowedHigh metablosim - hint , hintBlonde , blue eyesStarting bid : $ youcantaffordit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SATs over 750 eachCertified Mensa IQConcert pianistWell endowedHigh metablosim - hint, hintBlonde, blue eyesStarting bid: $youcantaffordit</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_1417243.31663118</id>
	<title>Re:They should be smart enough to understand the r</title>
	<author>D Ninja</author>
	<datestamp>1269861000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lots of Smarts != Lots of Common Sense</p><p>In fact, I have somewhat noticed the reverse in many situations.  Granted, a smart person has the capacity to better think about a situation and reason out all the possible problems, but, most people don't do that to begin with.</p><p>Besides, high SAT scores != smart, either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lots of Smarts ! = Lots of Common SenseIn fact , I have somewhat noticed the reverse in many situations .
Granted , a smart person has the capacity to better think about a situation and reason out all the possible problems , but , most people do n't do that to begin with.Besides , high SAT scores ! = smart , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lots of Smarts != Lots of Common SenseIn fact, I have somewhat noticed the reverse in many situations.
Granted, a smart person has the capacity to better think about a situation and reason out all the possible problems, but, most people don't do that to begin with.Besides, high SAT scores != smart, either.</sentencetext>
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