<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_29_0251207</id>
	<title>Atom Processors Set New Record For  Power-Efficient Sorting</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269854400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>schliz writes <i>"German researchers have <a href="http://itnews.com.au/News/170749,netbook-processors-break-power-efficiency-benchmark.aspx">set a new record</a> for energy efficient data sorting with a system based on netbook processors and Solid State Disks. The system, dubbed EcoSort, more than tripled the power efficiency of former record holders, leading one of its developers to claim: 'In the long run, many small, power-efficient and cooperating systems are going to replace the so far used, heavy weighted ones.' Records were defined by '<a href="http://sortbenchmark.org/">Sort Benchmark</a>,' which was created by <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/07/01/30/0353228/Jim-Gray-Is-Missing">missing Microsoft scientist Jim Gray</a> and was now managed by representatives of companies like Hewlett-Packard and Microsoft."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>schliz writes " German researchers have set a new record for energy efficient data sorting with a system based on netbook processors and Solid State Disks .
The system , dubbed EcoSort , more than tripled the power efficiency of former record holders , leading one of its developers to claim : 'In the long run , many small , power-efficient and cooperating systems are going to replace the so far used , heavy weighted ones .
' Records were defined by 'Sort Benchmark, ' which was created by missing Microsoft scientist Jim Gray and was now managed by representatives of companies like Hewlett-Packard and Microsoft .
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<sentencetext>schliz writes "German researchers have set a new record for energy efficient data sorting with a system based on netbook processors and Solid State Disks.
The system, dubbed EcoSort, more than tripled the power efficiency of former record holders, leading one of its developers to claim: 'In the long run, many small, power-efficient and cooperating systems are going to replace the so far used, heavy weighted ones.
' Records were defined by 'Sort Benchmark,' which was created by missing Microsoft scientist Jim Gray and was now managed by representatives of companies like Hewlett-Packard and Microsoft.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31655076</id>
	<title>Hand-Optimizing for architecture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269863820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a few lectures with prof. Sanders, and as far as I remember, they try to optimize as much as possible for the target architecture by hand.<br>As impressive as this feat is, it is in no way generic or usable across multiple architectures as far as I remember, but I am very willing to be proven wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a few lectures with prof. Sanders , and as far as I remember , they try to optimize as much as possible for the target architecture by hand.As impressive as this feat is , it is in no way generic or usable across multiple architectures as far as I remember , but I am very willing to be proven wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a few lectures with prof. Sanders, and as far as I remember, they try to optimize as much as possible for the target architecture by hand.As impressive as this feat is, it is in no way generic or usable across multiple architectures as far as I remember, but I am very willing to be proven wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31657782</id>
	<title>Not most energy efficient sorting</title>
	<author>vaebnkehn</author>
	<datestamp>1269879960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This assumes that we are limiting ourselves to digital media:
You can sort any number of coins using no energy at all (besides gravity). <a href="http://www.algodoo.com/algobox/details.php?id=27217" title="algodoo.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.algodoo.com/algobox/details.php?id=27217</a> [algodoo.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>This assumes that we are limiting ourselves to digital media : You can sort any number of coins using no energy at all ( besides gravity ) .
http : //www.algodoo.com/algobox/details.php ? id = 27217 [ algodoo.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This assumes that we are limiting ourselves to digital media:
You can sort any number of coins using no energy at all (besides gravity).
http://www.algodoo.com/algobox/details.php?id=27217 [algodoo.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654910</id>
	<title>North bridge, not so much...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269861960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course you set records, when most of your CPU actually sits in your north bridge. Yes. That thing with the large heat sink and fan, is the north bridge. Not the CPU. The CPU is that smaller chip that you thought were the NB.</p><p>It&rsquo;s a fraud. Nothing else. A trick to hide their failure to get even in the same magnitude as ARM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course you set records , when most of your CPU actually sits in your north bridge .
Yes. That thing with the large heat sink and fan , is the north bridge .
Not the CPU .
The CPU is that smaller chip that you thought were the NB.It    s a fraud .
Nothing else .
A trick to hide their failure to get even in the same magnitude as ARM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course you set records, when most of your CPU actually sits in your north bridge.
Yes. That thing with the large heat sink and fan, is the north bridge.
Not the CPU.
The CPU is that smaller chip that you thought were the NB.It’s a fraud.
Nothing else.
A trick to hide their failure to get even in the same magnitude as ARM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31656068</id>
	<title>Re:why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1269872820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>50W is a little high but not altogether bad for a system with multiple spinning disks and fans. The Beagleboard is an embedded system. Even with the required peripherals it doesn't hold a candle performance-wise to an Atom/Nano-based server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>50W is a little high but not altogether bad for a system with multiple spinning disks and fans .
The Beagleboard is an embedded system .
Even with the required peripherals it does n't hold a candle performance-wise to an Atom/Nano-based server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>50W is a little high but not altogether bad for a system with multiple spinning disks and fans.
The Beagleboard is an embedded system.
Even with the required peripherals it doesn't hold a candle performance-wise to an Atom/Nano-based server.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654712</id>
	<title>Not much in the article</title>
	<author>Bearhouse</author>
	<datestamp>1269859020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good to see that Jim's work lives on...meanwhile, this is about all you get in the article:</p><p>"EcoSort set records in the Joule category, which measured the amount of energy required to sort either 10GB, 100GB or 1TB of records.</p><p>It reached a maximum efficiency of 36,400 records sorted per joule for 100GB of data, using an Intel Atom 330 processor, 4GB of RAM, and four 256GB SSDs by flash vendor Super Talent Technology.</p><p>In 2009, a team from the University of Melbourne had the 100GB record of 11,600 records sorted per joule using the OzSort system, which comprised a 2.6GHz AMD processor, 4GB of RAM, seven 160GB 7200 RPM SATA hard disks and a Linux operating System."</p><p>Sure, this is the way things are going, but until prices come down we won't be seeing SSDs replacing HDDs; work fine for the desktop, tho'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good to see that Jim 's work lives on...meanwhile , this is about all you get in the article : " EcoSort set records in the Joule category , which measured the amount of energy required to sort either 10GB , 100GB or 1TB of records.It reached a maximum efficiency of 36,400 records sorted per joule for 100GB of data , using an Intel Atom 330 processor , 4GB of RAM , and four 256GB SSDs by flash vendor Super Talent Technology.In 2009 , a team from the University of Melbourne had the 100GB record of 11,600 records sorted per joule using the OzSort system , which comprised a 2.6GHz AMD processor , 4GB of RAM , seven 160GB 7200 RPM SATA hard disks and a Linux operating System .
" Sure , this is the way things are going , but until prices come down we wo n't be seeing SSDs replacing HDDs ; work fine for the desktop , tho'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good to see that Jim's work lives on...meanwhile, this is about all you get in the article:"EcoSort set records in the Joule category, which measured the amount of energy required to sort either 10GB, 100GB or 1TB of records.It reached a maximum efficiency of 36,400 records sorted per joule for 100GB of data, using an Intel Atom 330 processor, 4GB of RAM, and four 256GB SSDs by flash vendor Super Talent Technology.In 2009, a team from the University of Melbourne had the 100GB record of 11,600 records sorted per joule using the OzSort system, which comprised a 2.6GHz AMD processor, 4GB of RAM, seven 160GB 7200 RPM SATA hard disks and a Linux operating System.
"Sure, this is the way things are going, but until prices come down we won't be seeing SSDs replacing HDDs; work fine for the desktop, tho'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31656788</id>
	<title>Re:why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269875940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you're comparing a bare DC-powered embedded board which doesn't even have a NIC with a fully kitted out server? why is this modded up?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you 're comparing a bare DC-powered embedded board which does n't even have a NIC with a fully kitted out server ?
why is this modded up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you're comparing a bare DC-powered embedded board which doesn't even have a NIC with a fully kitted out server?
why is this modded up?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31657378</id>
	<title>some data farms exploring cell-phone netbook chips</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1269878460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Total Cost of Operation of a data center is more than half facilities and power than the chips.  It looks to be more economical (TCO) to use low-power chips, and more of them, over the long run.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Total Cost of Operation of a data center is more than half facilities and power than the chips .
It looks to be more economical ( TCO ) to use low-power chips , and more of them , over the long run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Total Cost of Operation of a data center is more than half facilities and power than the chips.
It looks to be more economical (TCO) to use low-power chips, and more of them, over the long run.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654646</id>
	<title>slow news day?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269858120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>blah blah blah moore's law...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>blah blah blah moore 's law.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>blah blah blah moore's law...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31655990</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way we are headed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269872280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actually, for my laptop I care about a few things:<br>noise level (I love watching videos while my wife sleeps)<br>heat (I hate it when the laptop is hot and I actually have it on my laps<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)<br>autonomy (I travel quite a bit in trains and planes, and my 2 hour autonomy laptop is not so great<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)</p><p>I like powerful machines, but they usually fail for the above</p><p>So maybe my next machine will be atom/ssd  based, anyway I'll certainly take a look.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually , for my laptop I care about a few things : noise level ( I love watching videos while my wife sleeps ) heat ( I hate it when the laptop is hot and I actually have it on my laps ... ) autonomy ( I travel quite a bit in trains and planes , and my 2 hour autonomy laptop is not so great ... ) I like powerful machines , but they usually fail for the aboveSo maybe my next machine will be atom/ssd based , anyway I 'll certainly take a look .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually, for my laptop I care about a few things:noise level (I love watching videos while my wife sleeps)heat (I hate it when the laptop is hot and I actually have it on my laps ...)autonomy (I travel quite a bit in trains and planes, and my 2 hour autonomy laptop is not so great ...)I like powerful machines, but they usually fail for the aboveSo maybe my next machine will be atom/ssd  based, anyway I'll certainly take a look.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654968</id>
	<title>Re:why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269862680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried to use my C7 system as a home server with remote desktop abilities. Unfortunately there was no video driver available supporting the chipset so I could only get it to run X in 16bit and scrolling pages would take forever (framebuffer). I tried the official VIA drivers and the OS replacement drivers but none of them would fully support the chipset (I am at work so I can't lookup the model).</p><p>So the next time when I need to purchase a system it will not be a VIA due to their fake Linux support.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried to use my C7 system as a home server with remote desktop abilities .
Unfortunately there was no video driver available supporting the chipset so I could only get it to run X in 16bit and scrolling pages would take forever ( framebuffer ) .
I tried the official VIA drivers and the OS replacement drivers but none of them would fully support the chipset ( I am at work so I ca n't lookup the model ) .So the next time when I need to purchase a system it will not be a VIA due to their fake Linux support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried to use my C7 system as a home server with remote desktop abilities.
Unfortunately there was no video driver available supporting the chipset so I could only get it to run X in 16bit and scrolling pages would take forever (framebuffer).
I tried the official VIA drivers and the OS replacement drivers but none of them would fully support the chipset (I am at work so I can't lookup the model).So the next time when I need to purchase a system it will not be a VIA due to their fake Linux support.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31656006</id>
	<title>Re:Not much in the article</title>
	<author>Jeppe Salvesen</author>
	<datestamp>1269872400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Sure, this is the way things are going, but until prices come down we won't be seeing SSDs replacing HDDs; work fine for the desktop, tho'</p></div></blockquote><p>We won't be seeing SSDs replacing HDDs until people start calculating differently: (Total power consumption costs + total cooling costs + price) / years until failure or replacement.  And let's face it - 128GB of storage is enough for a lot of servers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , this is the way things are going , but until prices come down we wo n't be seeing SSDs replacing HDDs ; work fine for the desktop , tho'We wo n't be seeing SSDs replacing HDDs until people start calculating differently : ( Total power consumption costs + total cooling costs + price ) / years until failure or replacement .
And let 's face it - 128GB of storage is enough for a lot of servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, this is the way things are going, but until prices come down we won't be seeing SSDs replacing HDDs; work fine for the desktop, tho'We won't be seeing SSDs replacing HDDs until people start calculating differently: (Total power consumption costs + total cooling costs + price) / years until failure or replacement.
And let's face it - 128GB of storage is enough for a lot of servers.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31655092</id>
	<title>Re:why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269863880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Am I the only one who read this and thought that 50W idle is insanely high?  For comparison, the BeagleBoard draws under 50mW idle.  If the hard disks have spun down, that should be about your total power drain.  Maybe 1W if you add a very inefficient PSU.  Consuming 50W while doing nothing?  That's not low power, that's embarrassing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one who read this and thought that 50W idle is insanely high ?
For comparison , the BeagleBoard draws under 50mW idle .
If the hard disks have spun down , that should be about your total power drain .
Maybe 1W if you add a very inefficient PSU .
Consuming 50W while doing nothing ?
That 's not low power , that 's embarrassing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one who read this and thought that 50W idle is insanely high?
For comparison, the BeagleBoard draws under 50mW idle.
If the hard disks have spun down, that should be about your total power drain.
Maybe 1W if you add a very inefficient PSU.
Consuming 50W while doing nothing?
That's not low power, that's embarrassing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31655014</id>
	<title>Re:why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>pinkishpunk</author>
	<datestamp>1269863220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except for via`s own boards, dell blades and samsung nc20 there aint much out there actual uses it, the mainboards from intel are atleast here alot cheaper than those from via.<br>
For the consumer its down to whats cheaper and what have they heard about, Via never ran big advertisments like intel has done for atom in different mags, so lack of knowledge of the product leads to no comsumer demant.<br>
While the c7/nano compares favoritable to the atom, they have failed to keep up and offer a dual core version, and if you look at linux atleast the situation with via based graphics, is pretty bad compared to intel offerings.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except for via ` s own boards , dell blades and samsung nc20 there aint much out there actual uses it , the mainboards from intel are atleast here alot cheaper than those from via .
For the consumer its down to whats cheaper and what have they heard about , Via never ran big advertisments like intel has done for atom in different mags , so lack of knowledge of the product leads to no comsumer demant .
While the c7/nano compares favoritable to the atom , they have failed to keep up and offer a dual core version , and if you look at linux atleast the situation with via based graphics , is pretty bad compared to intel offerings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except for via`s own boards, dell blades and samsung nc20 there aint much out there actual uses it, the mainboards from intel are atleast here alot cheaper than those from via.
For the consumer its down to whats cheaper and what have they heard about, Via never ran big advertisments like intel has done for atom in different mags, so lack of knowledge of the product leads to no comsumer demant.
While the c7/nano compares favoritable to the atom, they have failed to keep up and offer a dual core version, and if you look at linux atleast the situation with via based graphics, is pretty bad compared to intel offerings.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31680482</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way we are headed</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1269956220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>noise level (I love watching videos while my wife sleeps)</i><br>You might just wake up the wife instead of relying on videos...</p><p><i>heat (I hate it when the laptop is hot and I actually have it on my laps<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)</i><br>And that's a bad thing how?</p><p><i>autonomy (I travel quite a bit in trains and planes, and my 2 hour autonomy laptop is not so great<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)</i><br>I hope those trains and planes are often rather empty...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>noise level ( I love watching videos while my wife sleeps ) You might just wake up the wife instead of relying on videos...heat ( I hate it when the laptop is hot and I actually have it on my laps ... ) And that 's a bad thing how ? autonomy ( I travel quite a bit in trains and planes , and my 2 hour autonomy laptop is not so great ... ) I hope those trains and planes are often rather empty.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>noise level (I love watching videos while my wife sleeps)You might just wake up the wife instead of relying on videos...heat (I hate it when the laptop is hot and I actually have it on my laps ...)And that's a bad thing how?autonomy (I travel quite a bit in trains and planes, and my 2 hour autonomy laptop is not so great ...)I hope those trains and planes are often rather empty...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31656416</id>
	<title>Personally I hope this catches on</title>
	<author>PalmKiller</author>
	<datestamp>1269874380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>as this could drive the prices of ssd devices way down if big number crunching outfits decide to go with the solid state disks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>as this could drive the prices of ssd devices way down if big number crunching outfits decide to go with the solid state disks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as this could drive the prices of ssd devices way down if big number crunching outfits decide to go with the solid state disks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31655816</id>
	<title>Re:why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269871260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>if I replaced hard with spinning solid state storage</i></p> </div><p>I don't think that is going to help the power figures. Besides, you'd also have to work out cable tangling issues... and that can be a difficult knot to solve.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>if I replaced hard with spinning solid state storage I do n't think that is going to help the power figures .
Besides , you 'd also have to work out cable tangling issues... and that can be a difficult knot to solve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> if I replaced hard with spinning solid state storage I don't think that is going to help the power figures.
Besides, you'd also have to work out cable tangling issues... and that can be a difficult knot to solve.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31655896</id>
	<title>Meme built into the summary...</title>
	<author>MiniMike</author>
	<datestamp>1269871680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...leading one of its developers to claim: 'In the long run, many small, power-efficient and cooperating systems are going to replace the so far used, heavy weighted ones.'</p> </div><p>They're imagining the Beowulf clusters for us...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...leading one of its developers to claim : 'In the long run , many small , power-efficient and cooperating systems are going to replace the so far used , heavy weighted ones .
' They 're imagining the Beowulf clusters for us.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...leading one of its developers to claim: 'In the long run, many small, power-efficient and cooperating systems are going to replace the so far used, heavy weighted ones.
' They're imagining the Beowulf clusters for us...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654690</id>
	<title>Now we can have...</title>
	<author>bostei2008</author>
	<datestamp>1269858780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...sorting farms, with thousands of netbooks...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...sorting farms , with thousands of netbooks.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...sorting farms, with thousands of netbooks...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31655148</id>
	<title>Re:why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>thasmudyan</author>
	<datestamp>1269864780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sort of. You have to install the VIA Java Cryptography Service Provider to use the hardware acceleration, and I have the distinct feeling that standard SSH implementations won't be able to use that unless you patch them accordingly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sort of .
You have to install the VIA Java Cryptography Service Provider to use the hardware acceleration , and I have the distinct feeling that standard SSH implementations wo n't be able to use that unless you patch them accordingly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sort of.
You have to install the VIA Java Cryptography Service Provider to use the hardware acceleration, and I have the distinct feeling that standard SSH implementations won't be able to use that unless you patch them accordingly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654994</id>
	<title>All thanks to Ninnle!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269862980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>What the article fails to mention is the usage of the latest version of Ninnle Linux, nicely optimized for Atom processors.  (I'm using it right here on this netbook.)  Thanks to Ninnle, the system could be properly optimized, something that cannot happen within the current Windoze framework.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What the article fails to mention is the usage of the latest version of Ninnle Linux , nicely optimized for Atom processors .
( I 'm using it right here on this netbook .
) Thanks to Ninnle , the system could be properly optimized , something that can not happen within the current Windoze framework .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the article fails to mention is the usage of the latest version of Ninnle Linux, nicely optimized for Atom processors.
(I'm using it right here on this netbook.
)  Thanks to Ninnle, the system could be properly optimized, something that cannot happen within the current Windoze framework.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31655324</id>
	<title>System power is what they measure</title>
	<author>Xocet\_00</author>
	<datestamp>1269867240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>They measure the power at the wall and not on the CPU specifically, so there's no 'fraud' going on. Putting processing elements on the north bridge does nothing to gain this system an advantage. Reading the contest rules, they recommend power meters like this: <a href="http://www.brandelectronics.com/meters.html" title="brandelectronics.com">http://www.brandelectronics.com/meters.html</a> [brandelectronics.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>They measure the power at the wall and not on the CPU specifically , so there 's no 'fraud ' going on .
Putting processing elements on the north bridge does nothing to gain this system an advantage .
Reading the contest rules , they recommend power meters like this : http : //www.brandelectronics.com/meters.html [ brandelectronics.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They measure the power at the wall and not on the CPU specifically, so there's no 'fraud' going on.
Putting processing elements on the north bridge does nothing to gain this system an advantage.
Reading the contest rules, they recommend power meters like this: http://www.brandelectronics.com/meters.html [brandelectronics.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654774</id>
	<title>why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>FuckingNickName</author>
	<datestamp>1269860040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Via C7/Nano seems to be a great chip for a home/small office server, what with its built-in AES encryption making it faster than even a high end Xeon without hardware acceleration. My current setup consists of 2*WD SE16 hard drives, APC UPS, 80+ Corsair PSU, PC2500e Nano mobo with 1GB, and a couple of 80mm case fans, together running under 50W idle, and only 7W more at full CPU load. If I were to replace the Corsair with a fanless PSU good up to 80-120W I might get an extra 5-10\% efficiency; I could wipe out the case fans probably with no problem (2-3W, say), especially if I replaced hard with spinning solid state storage, and that of course would shave off around 15W. Substitute a large fanless heatsink for another W (or just get a fanless motherboard/CPU in the first place). But even as-is, it's a good improvement on my previous regular desktop CPU-based setup.</p><p>For something which is on 24 hours a day, going several months between reboots and stressed only in the IO and encryption departments, I see no reason to use a full-power desktop processor. So, what problems have you guys encountered which has meant you haven't ended up with this option?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Via C7/Nano seems to be a great chip for a home/small office server , what with its built-in AES encryption making it faster than even a high end Xeon without hardware acceleration .
My current setup consists of 2 * WD SE16 hard drives , APC UPS , 80 + Corsair PSU , PC2500e Nano mobo with 1GB , and a couple of 80mm case fans , together running under 50W idle , and only 7W more at full CPU load .
If I were to replace the Corsair with a fanless PSU good up to 80-120W I might get an extra 5-10 \ % efficiency ; I could wipe out the case fans probably with no problem ( 2-3W , say ) , especially if I replaced hard with spinning solid state storage , and that of course would shave off around 15W .
Substitute a large fanless heatsink for another W ( or just get a fanless motherboard/CPU in the first place ) .
But even as-is , it 's a good improvement on my previous regular desktop CPU-based setup.For something which is on 24 hours a day , going several months between reboots and stressed only in the IO and encryption departments , I see no reason to use a full-power desktop processor .
So , what problems have you guys encountered which has meant you have n't ended up with this option ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Via C7/Nano seems to be a great chip for a home/small office server, what with its built-in AES encryption making it faster than even a high end Xeon without hardware acceleration.
My current setup consists of 2*WD SE16 hard drives, APC UPS, 80+ Corsair PSU, PC2500e Nano mobo with 1GB, and a couple of 80mm case fans, together running under 50W idle, and only 7W more at full CPU load.
If I were to replace the Corsair with a fanless PSU good up to 80-120W I might get an extra 5-10\% efficiency; I could wipe out the case fans probably with no problem (2-3W, say), especially if I replaced hard with spinning solid state storage, and that of course would shave off around 15W.
Substitute a large fanless heatsink for another W (or just get a fanless motherboard/CPU in the first place).
But even as-is, it's a good improvement on my previous regular desktop CPU-based setup.For something which is on 24 hours a day, going several months between reboots and stressed only in the IO and encryption departments, I see no reason to use a full-power desktop processor.
So, what problems have you guys encountered which has meant you haven't ended up with this option?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654652</id>
	<title>This is the way we are headed</title>
	<author>hairyfeet</author>
	<datestamp>1269858240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>As electricity and cooling bills get ever higher being more frugal with the power will count more and more on the bottom line. Congrats to the team on a new record!</htmltext>
<tokenext>As electricity and cooling bills get ever higher being more frugal with the power will count more and more on the bottom line .
Congrats to the team on a new record !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As electricity and cooling bills get ever higher being more frugal with the power will count more and more on the bottom line.
Congrats to the team on a new record!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654952</id>
	<title>Re:why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>SpzToid</author>
	<datestamp>1269862500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What are you using AES encryption for, hard disk encryption? If so, this is a little unusual for a server, which are normally found in secure facilities, but make sense for a home perhaps.</p><p>I'm thinking a home NAS isn't something one would want a common house-thief to walk away with. But TFA article talks about sorting, and not NAS work, hence my request for clarity. I'm curious what your application, and OS is. Your setup is certainly interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What are you using AES encryption for , hard disk encryption ?
If so , this is a little unusual for a server , which are normally found in secure facilities , but make sense for a home perhaps.I 'm thinking a home NAS is n't something one would want a common house-thief to walk away with .
But TFA article talks about sorting , and not NAS work , hence my request for clarity .
I 'm curious what your application , and OS is .
Your setup is certainly interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are you using AES encryption for, hard disk encryption?
If so, this is a little unusual for a server, which are normally found in secure facilities, but make sense for a home perhaps.I'm thinking a home NAS isn't something one would want a common house-thief to walk away with.
But TFA article talks about sorting, and not NAS work, hence my request for clarity.
I'm curious what your application, and OS is.
Your setup is certainly interesting.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31656082</id>
	<title>Dangerous Metric</title>
	<author>eabrek</author>
	<datestamp>1269872880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Records / joule might be interesting to some people, but it is a dangerous metric overall.</p><p>Why?</p><p>Because it ignores time.</p><p>It is accounted for somewhat in that there will be some power draw for spinning disks, or leakage; but all-in-all not good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Records / joule might be interesting to some people , but it is a dangerous metric overall.Why ? Because it ignores time.It is accounted for somewhat in that there will be some power draw for spinning disks , or leakage ; but all-in-all not good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Records / joule might be interesting to some people, but it is a dangerous metric overall.Why?Because it ignores time.It is accounted for somewhat in that there will be some power draw for spinning disks, or leakage; but all-in-all not good.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654942</id>
	<title>Re:why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>Trepidity</author>
	<datestamp>1269862380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is the built-in AES encryption useful on Linux installations? E.g. if I scp files, will the encryption/decryption get offloaded to hardware?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is the built-in AES encryption useful on Linux installations ?
E.g. if I scp files , will the encryption/decryption get offloaded to hardware ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is the built-in AES encryption useful on Linux installations?
E.g. if I scp files, will the encryption/decryption get offloaded to hardware?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31656958</id>
	<title>Imagine what a cluster of ARM CPUs can do</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269876780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Similar performance, 1/10 the power consumption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Similar performance , 1/10 the power consumption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Similar performance, 1/10 the power consumption.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654880</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way we are headed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269861420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't SSDs somewhat limited in the number of read/write actions they can perform?  Specifically, the ability to adequately make a distinction between a 1 and a 0 diminishes with the number of overwrites of a particular section of disk.  <br> <br>
I'm sure I could phrase this better... I've got to admit I don't know much about low-level hard disk theory.  But I do recall seeing something regarding researchers trying to extend the life of SSDs, since their life is not nearly as long as spinning platters.  <br> <br>
If that's the case, even if researchers have made some progress, wouldn't something like sorting be exactly the WRONG application for SSDs?  I mean, unless you want to spend tons of time and money (and indirectly "energy") replacing SSDs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Correct me if I 'm wrong , but are n't SSDs somewhat limited in the number of read/write actions they can perform ?
Specifically , the ability to adequately make a distinction between a 1 and a 0 diminishes with the number of overwrites of a particular section of disk .
I 'm sure I could phrase this better... I 've got to admit I do n't know much about low-level hard disk theory .
But I do recall seeing something regarding researchers trying to extend the life of SSDs , since their life is not nearly as long as spinning platters .
If that 's the case , even if researchers have made some progress , would n't something like sorting be exactly the WRONG application for SSDs ?
I mean , unless you want to spend tons of time and money ( and indirectly " energy " ) replacing SSDs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't SSDs somewhat limited in the number of read/write actions they can perform?
Specifically, the ability to adequately make a distinction between a 1 and a 0 diminishes with the number of overwrites of a particular section of disk.
I'm sure I could phrase this better... I've got to admit I don't know much about low-level hard disk theory.
But I do recall seeing something regarding researchers trying to extend the life of SSDs, since their life is not nearly as long as spinning platters.
If that's the case, even if researchers have made some progress, wouldn't something like sorting be exactly the WRONG application for SSDs?
I mean, unless you want to spend tons of time and money (and indirectly "energy") replacing SSDs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31657840</id>
	<title>Re:why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1269880200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>50W idle is frankly unimpressive for such an underpowered rig. I'm running an Athlon x2 4200, 4GB of ram, 2x HDD's, tv tuner, NVidia 9600 GSO and I idle under 50W (max is about 150W).</htmltext>
<tokenext>50W idle is frankly unimpressive for such an underpowered rig .
I 'm running an Athlon x2 4200 , 4GB of ram , 2x HDD 's , tv tuner , NVidia 9600 GSO and I idle under 50W ( max is about 150W ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>50W idle is frankly unimpressive for such an underpowered rig.
I'm running an Athlon x2 4200, 4GB of ram, 2x HDD's, tv tuner, NVidia 9600 GSO and I idle under 50W (max is about 150W).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31657028</id>
	<title>Re:why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269877140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What are you using AES encryption for, hard disk encryption? If so, this is a little unusual for a server, which are normally found in secure facilities, but make sense for a home perhaps.</p></div><p>Except when a drive fails and you have to return it to the vendor (though some offer "no return" part replacements).</p><p>There's also the fact that it will be retired sometime, at which point you have to make sure it's wiped before hand (or trust the vendor will do it).</p><p>If you want offsite, offline backup you have have to worry about data-at-rest encryption. This is handled in hardware with LTO-4 tapes, but if want to carry disks outside the secure facility you have to start worrying about it as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What are you using AES encryption for , hard disk encryption ?
If so , this is a little unusual for a server , which are normally found in secure facilities , but make sense for a home perhaps.Except when a drive fails and you have to return it to the vendor ( though some offer " no return " part replacements ) .There 's also the fact that it will be retired sometime , at which point you have to make sure it 's wiped before hand ( or trust the vendor will do it ) .If you want offsite , offline backup you have have to worry about data-at-rest encryption .
This is handled in hardware with LTO-4 tapes , but if want to carry disks outside the secure facility you have to start worrying about it as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are you using AES encryption for, hard disk encryption?
If so, this is a little unusual for a server, which are normally found in secure facilities, but make sense for a home perhaps.Except when a drive fails and you have to return it to the vendor (though some offer "no return" part replacements).There's also the fact that it will be retired sometime, at which point you have to make sure it's wiped before hand (or trust the vendor will do it).If you want offsite, offline backup you have have to worry about data-at-rest encryption.
This is handled in hardware with LTO-4 tapes, but if want to carry disks outside the secure facility you have to start worrying about it as well.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31657696</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way we are headed</title>
	<author>Taxman415a</author>
	<datestamp>1269879720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you click to the sortbenchmark.org link, and click on the Ecosort link, it links to a <a href="http://sortbenchmark.org/ecosort\_2010\_Jan\_01.pdf" title="sortbenchmark.org">paper</a> [sortbenchmark.org] by the people that put the system together.  It gives much more details about their system including this about their hardware decisions:<p><div class="quote"><p>The system is based on a Zotac IONITX-A board, equipped with an Atom 330. This processor consumes more than three times the power of an N270 (8 W TDP) but supports two cores and four hardware threads. The main advantage of this system is that its nVidia Ion chipset provides four SATA ports that can handle the SSD transfers at full speed. Moreover, it allows two DIMMs for a total of 4 GiB of RAM. The 64 bit logical address space is less prone to fragmentation, which we experienced on the 32-bit Atom N270.</p></div><p>Which really shows that they got a 3 times improvement by going with sub-optimal choices because that's all that was available. If there existed a two or 4 core N270 64 bit that had the necessary RAM and SATA interfaces the results would have been even better. Just think if there was an ARM chipset and motherboard that had the needed interfaces. So there is quite a ways to go with power efficient computing and that's a good thing. I'm still waiting for a low power desktop Cortex A8 or A9 system to be widely available with all the standard PC parts. It's just going to take someone putting all the pieces together right.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you click to the sortbenchmark.org link , and click on the Ecosort link , it links to a paper [ sortbenchmark.org ] by the people that put the system together .
It gives much more details about their system including this about their hardware decisions : The system is based on a Zotac IONITX-A board , equipped with an Atom 330 .
This processor consumes more than three times the power of an N270 ( 8 W TDP ) but supports two cores and four hardware threads .
The main advantage of this system is that its nVidia Ion chipset provides four SATA ports that can handle the SSD transfers at full speed .
Moreover , it allows two DIMMs for a total of 4 GiB of RAM .
The 64 bit logical address space is less prone to fragmentation , which we experienced on the 32-bit Atom N270.Which really shows that they got a 3 times improvement by going with sub-optimal choices because that 's all that was available .
If there existed a two or 4 core N270 64 bit that had the necessary RAM and SATA interfaces the results would have been even better .
Just think if there was an ARM chipset and motherboard that had the needed interfaces .
So there is quite a ways to go with power efficient computing and that 's a good thing .
I 'm still waiting for a low power desktop Cortex A8 or A9 system to be widely available with all the standard PC parts .
It 's just going to take someone putting all the pieces together right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you click to the sortbenchmark.org link, and click on the Ecosort link, it links to a paper [sortbenchmark.org] by the people that put the system together.
It gives much more details about their system including this about their hardware decisions:The system is based on a Zotac IONITX-A board, equipped with an Atom 330.
This processor consumes more than three times the power of an N270 (8 W TDP) but supports two cores and four hardware threads.
The main advantage of this system is that its nVidia Ion chipset provides four SATA ports that can handle the SSD transfers at full speed.
Moreover, it allows two DIMMs for a total of 4 GiB of RAM.
The 64 bit logical address space is less prone to fragmentation, which we experienced on the 32-bit Atom N270.Which really shows that they got a 3 times improvement by going with sub-optimal choices because that's all that was available.
If there existed a two or 4 core N270 64 bit that had the necessary RAM and SATA interfaces the results would have been even better.
Just think if there was an ARM chipset and motherboard that had the needed interfaces.
So there is quite a ways to go with power efficient computing and that's a good thing.
I'm still waiting for a low power desktop Cortex A8 or A9 system to be widely available with all the standard PC parts.
It's just going to take someone putting all the pieces together right.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31656908</id>
	<title>Suspicious</title>
	<author>bytesex</author>
	<datestamp>1269876600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jim Gray, Tim Bray... hm.  Has anyone ever seen them in the same room together ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jim Gray , Tim Bray... hm. Has anyone ever seen them in the same room together ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jim Gray, Tim Bray... hm.  Has anyone ever seen them in the same room together ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31659206</id>
	<title>Re:why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>Aranykai</author>
	<datestamp>1269886320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did also considering a bone stock 200$ eeepc 900 series draws only 36 watts under full load. Hook that up to an external monitor and keyboard and you have something much more efficient for web browsing use. Toss in an external hard disk and you're all set to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did also considering a bone stock 200 $ eeepc 900 series draws only 36 watts under full load .
Hook that up to an external monitor and keyboard and you have something much more efficient for web browsing use .
Toss in an external hard disk and you 're all set to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did also considering a bone stock 200$ eeepc 900 series draws only 36 watts under full load.
Hook that up to an external monitor and keyboard and you have something much more efficient for web browsing use.
Toss in an external hard disk and you're all set to go.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654760</id>
	<title>Re:Now we can have...</title>
	<author>CarbonShell</author>
	<datestamp>1269859980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually I have seen pictures of server farms using massive amounts of ITX boards.</p><p>One of the added benefits is to have a RAID style set-up aka RAIN : 'Redundant Array of Inexpensive Nodes' where you just have added hardware you might not need now, but since they are cheap, you just add more and power wise it also won't hurt much.</p><p>I have to still fight with 'old-timers' who still think in 'big and powerful monolithic' systems.<br>If I can get 2x the power with 1/2 the costs, what will the customer take?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually I have seen pictures of server farms using massive amounts of ITX boards.One of the added benefits is to have a RAID style set-up aka RAIN : 'Redundant Array of Inexpensive Nodes ' where you just have added hardware you might not need now , but since they are cheap , you just add more and power wise it also wo n't hurt much.I have to still fight with 'old-timers ' who still think in 'big and powerful monolithic ' systems.If I can get 2x the power with 1/2 the costs , what will the customer take ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually I have seen pictures of server farms using massive amounts of ITX boards.One of the added benefits is to have a RAID style set-up aka RAIN : 'Redundant Array of Inexpensive Nodes' where you just have added hardware you might not need now, but since they are cheap, you just add more and power wise it also won't hurt much.I have to still fight with 'old-timers' who still think in 'big and powerful monolithic' systems.If I can get 2x the power with 1/2 the costs, what will the customer take?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654902</id>
	<title>Re:Not much in the article</title>
	<author>dingen</author>
	<datestamp>1269861780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> until prices come down we won't be seeing SSDs replacing HDDs</p></div><p>SSDs wont be as cheap per GB as HDDs for years and years, but that doesn't mean SSDs dont have their application already today. A 80 GB SSD is already quite affordable and holds enough data to be useful for a lot of people. And of course there's always the option to put your large data on HDDs (photos, videos, music, porn, whatever), and run your OS and applications from an SSD to get the benefit of the increased access times.</p></div>
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<tokenext>until prices come down we wo n't be seeing SSDs replacing HDDsSSDs wont be as cheap per GB as HDDs for years and years , but that does n't mean SSDs dont have their application already today .
A 80 GB SSD is already quite affordable and holds enough data to be useful for a lot of people .
And of course there 's always the option to put your large data on HDDs ( photos , videos , music , porn , whatever ) , and run your OS and applications from an SSD to get the benefit of the increased access times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> until prices come down we won't be seeing SSDs replacing HDDsSSDs wont be as cheap per GB as HDDs for years and years, but that doesn't mean SSDs dont have their application already today.
A 80 GB SSD is already quite affordable and holds enough data to be useful for a lot of people.
And of course there's always the option to put your large data on HDDs (photos, videos, music, porn, whatever), and run your OS and applications from an SSD to get the benefit of the increased access times.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31658444</id>
	<title>Re:why is the Via C7 not more popular?</title>
	<author>michael\_cain</author>
	<datestamp>1269882780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agree that it's unimpressive. My Mac Mini running a 1.8 GHz Core 2 Duo, 2 GB RAM, built-in drive, assorted USB peripherals including a second drive, all running through a UPS, typically measures 5-7W at the wall when idling. From time to time I've tried to load it up so that everything is in use and the processors are pegged, but have never gotten above 70W, again measured at the wall. The graphics capabilities are pretty anemic, which may make a substantial difference relative to many systems. OS X appears to be rather aggressive about getting into that 5-7W mode.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agree that it 's unimpressive .
My Mac Mini running a 1.8 GHz Core 2 Duo , 2 GB RAM , built-in drive , assorted USB peripherals including a second drive , all running through a UPS , typically measures 5-7W at the wall when idling .
From time to time I 've tried to load it up so that everything is in use and the processors are pegged , but have never gotten above 70W , again measured at the wall .
The graphics capabilities are pretty anemic , which may make a substantial difference relative to many systems .
OS X appears to be rather aggressive about getting into that 5-7W mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agree that it's unimpressive.
My Mac Mini running a 1.8 GHz Core 2 Duo, 2 GB RAM, built-in drive, assorted USB peripherals including a second drive, all running through a UPS, typically measures 5-7W at the wall when idling.
From time to time I've tried to load it up so that everything is in use and the processors are pegged, but have never gotten above 70W, again measured at the wall.
The graphics capabilities are pretty anemic, which may make a substantial difference relative to many systems.
OS X appears to be rather aggressive about getting into that 5-7W mode.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31656776</id>
	<title>Re:North bridge, not so much...</title>
	<author>washu\_k</author>
	<datestamp>1269875880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What the hell are you talking about?  The north bridge does not contain most of the CPU.  Yes, the Atom is often paired with an inefficient north bridge which requires a fan, but that's it.  If what you said was true then Nvidia's ION (which replaces the north bridge) would be impossible.
<br> <br>
The newer Pineview Atoms do combine the Northbridge and CPU.  Again this is nothing speical or any trickery, AMD has been doing this for years.  You would again be wrong in your description if it was a Pineview in that the small chip is just the south bridge, not the CPU.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell are you talking about ?
The north bridge does not contain most of the CPU .
Yes , the Atom is often paired with an inefficient north bridge which requires a fan , but that 's it .
If what you said was true then Nvidia 's ION ( which replaces the north bridge ) would be impossible .
The newer Pineview Atoms do combine the Northbridge and CPU .
Again this is nothing speical or any trickery , AMD has been doing this for years .
You would again be wrong in your description if it was a Pineview in that the small chip is just the south bridge , not the CPU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell are you talking about?
The north bridge does not contain most of the CPU.
Yes, the Atom is often paired with an inefficient north bridge which requires a fan, but that's it.
If what you said was true then Nvidia's ION (which replaces the north bridge) would be impossible.
The newer Pineview Atoms do combine the Northbridge and CPU.
Again this is nothing speical or any trickery, AMD has been doing this for years.
You would again be wrong in your description if it was a Pineview in that the small chip is just the south bridge, not the CPU.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0251207.31654984</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way we are headed</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1269862860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First off, I apologize for the off-topic post in advance. I couldn't find any contact links to report this.</p><p>The Firehose has been Spam botted. Only 3 of the current 20 or so submissions are actually story submissions, the rest are spam/adverts for everything from acai berry shit to resorts in Goa. Spam posts about every 3 mins now...</p><p>And whats with all the wall-of-text repeat troll posts? They are in pretty much every story thread these days.</p><p>Could someone that knows how, or who, to contact about this (the spam) please do so?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , I apologize for the off-topic post in advance .
I could n't find any contact links to report this.The Firehose has been Spam botted .
Only 3 of the current 20 or so submissions are actually story submissions , the rest are spam/adverts for everything from acai berry shit to resorts in Goa .
Spam posts about every 3 mins now...And whats with all the wall-of-text repeat troll posts ?
They are in pretty much every story thread these days.Could someone that knows how , or who , to contact about this ( the spam ) please do so ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, I apologize for the off-topic post in advance.
I couldn't find any contact links to report this.The Firehose has been Spam botted.
Only 3 of the current 20 or so submissions are actually story submissions, the rest are spam/adverts for everything from acai berry shit to resorts in Goa.
Spam posts about every 3 mins now...And whats with all the wall-of-text repeat troll posts?
They are in pretty much every story thread these days.Could someone that knows how, or who, to contact about this (the spam) please do so?</sentencetext>
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