<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_28_0637258</id>
	<title>Chinese Root Server Shut Down After DNS Problem</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269773400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>itwbennett writes <i>"After a <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/26/1627226/Chinas-Great-Firewall-Infects-Other-Countries?art\_pos=1">networking error first reported on Wednesday</a> last week caused computers in Chile and the US to come under the control of a system that censors the Internet in China, the 'root DNS server associated with the networking problems has been <a href="http://www.itworld.com/networking/102576/after-dns-problem-chinese-root-server-shut-down">disconnected from the Internet</a>,' writes Robert McMillan. The server's operator, Netnod, has 'withdrawn route announcements' made by the server, according to company CEO Kurt Lindqvist."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>itwbennett writes " After a networking error first reported on Wednesday last week caused computers in Chile and the US to come under the control of a system that censors the Internet in China , the 'root DNS server associated with the networking problems has been disconnected from the Internet, ' writes Robert McMillan .
The server 's operator , Netnod , has 'withdrawn route announcements ' made by the server , according to company CEO Kurt Lindqvist .
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<sentencetext>itwbennett writes "After a networking error first reported on Wednesday last week caused computers in Chile and the US to come under the control of a system that censors the Internet in China, the 'root DNS server associated with the networking problems has been disconnected from the Internet,' writes Robert McMillan.
The server's operator, Netnod, has 'withdrawn route announcements' made by the server, according to company CEO Kurt Lindqvist.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646534</id>
	<title>Re:Google Fights Back</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269782040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All they did was to direct every search for "Scarlett Johansson nude" to the Chinese servers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All they did was to direct every search for " Scarlett Johansson nude " to the Chinese servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All they did was to direct every search for "Scarlett Johansson nude" to the Chinese servers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646332</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646802</id>
	<title>Denial of DNS service for evil Chinese?</title>
	<author>dragisha</author>
	<datestamp>1269786660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember reading od slashdot how problem was not in Chinese root server, but in ISP's who misconfigured...</p><p>Now I read about that root server being shut down.</p><p>Next posting will be some YRO but of course not about right of biggest Internet nation in the world to operate it's own DNS root server.</p><p>Someone, during all this mess, decided - everyone can have some rights, except China.</p><p>And slashdot is in concert with that someone.</p><p>But, it's nothing new, of course. History repeats. Amplitude varies, period is shorter.</p><p>Next week: Commizon's of the world are experiencing unexpected problems on fiber routes to China, all seventeen of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember reading od slashdot how problem was not in Chinese root server , but in ISP 's who misconfigured...Now I read about that root server being shut down.Next posting will be some YRO but of course not about right of biggest Internet nation in the world to operate it 's own DNS root server.Someone , during all this mess , decided - everyone can have some rights , except China.And slashdot is in concert with that someone.But , it 's nothing new , of course .
History repeats .
Amplitude varies , period is shorter.Next week : Commizon 's of the world are experiencing unexpected problems on fiber routes to China , all seventeen of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember reading od slashdot how problem was not in Chinese root server, but in ISP's who misconfigured...Now I read about that root server being shut down.Next posting will be some YRO but of course not about right of biggest Internet nation in the world to operate it's own DNS root server.Someone, during all this mess, decided - everyone can have some rights, except China.And slashdot is in concert with that someone.But, it's nothing new, of course.
History repeats.
Amplitude varies, period is shorter.Next week: Commizon's of the world are experiencing unexpected problems on fiber routes to China, all seventeen of them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647292</id>
	<title>Re:What happened?</title>
	<author>Stephen Samuel</author>
	<datestamp>1269791580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Something like that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. Netnod apparently claims that the data on their server is accurate, so either China was hijacking the connection generally, or they were filtering the results being returned.  This wasn't a problem until the server (and it's hacked data stream)  started being accessed by machines outside of China due to a (silly but otherwise benign) routing change.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something like that .. Netnod apparently claims that the data on their server is accurate , so either China was hijacking the connection generally , or they were filtering the results being returned .
This was n't a problem until the server ( and it 's hacked data stream ) started being accessed by machines outside of China due to a ( silly but otherwise benign ) routing change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something like that .. Netnod apparently claims that the data on their server is accurate, so either China was hijacking the connection generally, or they were filtering the results being returned.
This wasn't a problem until the server (and it's hacked data stream)  started being accessed by machines outside of China due to a (silly but otherwise benign) routing change.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647104</id>
	<title>productivity went up!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269790200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>for that brief period when the great FW stretched to other places, people were not able to connect to facebook and twitter, and as a result, productivity went up!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/s</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for that brief period when the great FW stretched to other places , people were not able to connect to facebook and twitter , and as a result , productivity went up !
/s</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for that brief period when the great FW stretched to other places, people were not able to connect to facebook and twitter, and as a result, productivity went up!
/s</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647308</id>
	<title>Thailand affected, too</title>
	<author>Daengbo</author>
	<datestamp>1269791700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Internet connection in Thailand has had hundreds of 404s for well known sites this week. Waiting a few minutes or forcing a refresh seems to work 70\% of the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Internet connection in Thailand has had hundreds of 404s for well known sites this week .
Waiting a few minutes or forcing a refresh seems to work 70 \ % of the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Internet connection in Thailand has had hundreds of 404s for well known sites this week.
Waiting a few minutes or forcing a refresh seems to work 70\% of the time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646742</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647468</id>
	<title>Re:Heads should roll</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269793020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This should never have been allowed to happen in the first place, and when it had, it shouldn't have been allowed to persist for a few days before being made public and taking action.</p></div><p>Well i think this unreasonably harsh.  No one had ever seen the great firewall of china affect DNS traffic like this in the past.  So no one (not even you) was suggesting that when they set up a root DNS server in Beijing, that it would effectively send out false answers.</p><p>Now, anyone who controls a part of the network you rely on can launch a man-in-the-middle attack, which is what happened here.  So to suggest that this should never have been <i>allowed to happen</i>, you would have to be using strong cryptography in some way.  DNS has never had that mechanism--but it will soon, cause DNSSEC is coming along.The root servers are deploying it right now, and so are the other Top-level-domains.</p><p>Also, as soon as the I-root server operators realized this problem was occurring, and was outside of their control, they disabled the server. Why do you think that they sat on this problem for a few days, doing nothing about it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This should never have been allowed to happen in the first place , and when it had , it should n't have been allowed to persist for a few days before being made public and taking action.Well i think this unreasonably harsh .
No one had ever seen the great firewall of china affect DNS traffic like this in the past .
So no one ( not even you ) was suggesting that when they set up a root DNS server in Beijing , that it would effectively send out false answers.Now , anyone who controls a part of the network you rely on can launch a man-in-the-middle attack , which is what happened here .
So to suggest that this should never have been allowed to happen , you would have to be using strong cryptography in some way .
DNS has never had that mechanism--but it will soon , cause DNSSEC is coming along.The root servers are deploying it right now , and so are the other Top-level-domains.Also , as soon as the I-root server operators realized this problem was occurring , and was outside of their control , they disabled the server .
Why do you think that they sat on this problem for a few days , doing nothing about it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This should never have been allowed to happen in the first place, and when it had, it shouldn't have been allowed to persist for a few days before being made public and taking action.Well i think this unreasonably harsh.
No one had ever seen the great firewall of china affect DNS traffic like this in the past.
So no one (not even you) was suggesting that when they set up a root DNS server in Beijing, that it would effectively send out false answers.Now, anyone who controls a part of the network you rely on can launch a man-in-the-middle attack, which is what happened here.
So to suggest that this should never have been allowed to happen, you would have to be using strong cryptography in some way.
DNS has never had that mechanism--but it will soon, cause DNSSEC is coming along.The root servers are deploying it right now, and so are the other Top-level-domains.Also, as soon as the I-root server operators realized this problem was occurring, and was outside of their control, they disabled the server.
Why do you think that they sat on this problem for a few days, doing nothing about it?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646398</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646362</id>
	<title>route announcements?</title>
	<author>bl8n8r</author>
	<datestamp>1269778080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So... the chinese DNS server was using BGP?  Sorry, not much of a BIND geek.  Is this a reference to the Anycast protocol?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So... the chinese DNS server was using BGP ?
Sorry , not much of a BIND geek .
Is this a reference to the Anycast protocol ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... the chinese DNS server was using BGP?
Sorry, not much of a BIND geek.
Is this a reference to the Anycast protocol?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646420</id>
	<title>A lack of freedom Side Effect ...</title>
	<author>viraltus</author>
	<datestamp>1269779280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's why efforts and actions like Google's stand in front of Facist China deserve big Kudos!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why efforts and actions like Google 's stand in front of Facist China deserve big Kudos !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why efforts and actions like Google's stand in front of Facist China deserve big Kudos!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31654674</id>
	<title>Netnod's comment</title>
	<author>klindqvist</author>
	<datestamp>1269858600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>
   All,

as this topic has drawn quite some interest I would like to reiterate some of our other public comments.At Netnod/Autonomica we are completely dedicated to serving the IANA root zone as we receive it. We do not intercept, interfere, rewrite or otherwise alter either queries, responses or the content of the zone itself. The events that occurred are still being investigated and as soon as we deemed we had collected enough data we withdraw the announcements from on of our anycast nodes that serve i.root-servers.net.

I can't guarantee that me or any of our staff monitors this thread, but we do try and communicate to the community as much as we can without adding further speculations.

Best regards,

- kurtis -

---
Kurt Erik Lindqvist, CEO
kurtis@netnod.se, Direct: +46-8-562 860 11, Switch: +46-8-562 860 00
Please note our new address:
Franz&#233;ngatan 5  | SE-112 51 Stockholm | Sweden</htmltext>
<tokenext>All , as this topic has drawn quite some interest I would like to reiterate some of our other public comments.At Netnod/Autonomica we are completely dedicated to serving the IANA root zone as we receive it .
We do not intercept , interfere , rewrite or otherwise alter either queries , responses or the content of the zone itself .
The events that occurred are still being investigated and as soon as we deemed we had collected enough data we withdraw the announcements from on of our anycast nodes that serve i.root-servers.net .
I ca n't guarantee that me or any of our staff monitors this thread , but we do try and communicate to the community as much as we can without adding further speculations .
Best regards , - kurtis - --- Kurt Erik Lindqvist , CEO kurtis @ netnod.se , Direct : + 46-8-562 860 11 , Switch : + 46-8-562 860 00 Please note our new address : Franz   ngatan 5 | SE-112 51 Stockholm | Sweden</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
   All,

as this topic has drawn quite some interest I would like to reiterate some of our other public comments.At Netnod/Autonomica we are completely dedicated to serving the IANA root zone as we receive it.
We do not intercept, interfere, rewrite or otherwise alter either queries, responses or the content of the zone itself.
The events that occurred are still being investigated and as soon as we deemed we had collected enough data we withdraw the announcements from on of our anycast nodes that serve i.root-servers.net.
I can't guarantee that me or any of our staff monitors this thread, but we do try and communicate to the community as much as we can without adding further speculations.
Best regards,

- kurtis -

---
Kurt Erik Lindqvist, CEO
kurtis@netnod.se, Direct: +46-8-562 860 11, Switch: +46-8-562 860 00
Please note our new address:
Franzéngatan 5  | SE-112 51 Stockholm | Sweden</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646466</id>
	<title>tr07l</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269780240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">serices of internal</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>serices of internal [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>serices of internal [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647038</id>
	<title>Re:Calling it now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269789300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're prophecy is as profound as your</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're prophecy is as profound as your</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're prophecy is as profound as your</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646408</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646408</id>
	<title>Calling it now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269778800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WWIII will be a cyberwar stemming from the fallout of the seemingly  rising tension between China and Other web-present nations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WWIII will be a cyberwar stemming from the fallout of the seemingly rising tension between China and Other web-present nations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WWIII will be a cyberwar stemming from the fallout of the seemingly  rising tension between China and Other web-present nations.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31650054</id>
	<title>Re:I blame American ISP's</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1269768960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Shouldn't you query the closest available server, not the furthest?</p></div></blockquote><p>A host is a host/From coast to coast/And no one will talk to a host that's close/unless the host (that isn't close)/is busy, hung, or dead!<br>(From the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.signature file of one David Lesher...)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't you query the closest available server , not the furthest ? A host is a host/From coast to coast/And no one will talk to a host that 's close/unless the host ( that is n't close ) /is busy , hung , or dead !
( From the .signature file of one David Lesher... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't you query the closest available server, not the furthest?A host is a host/From coast to coast/And no one will talk to a host that's close/unless the host (that isn't close)/is busy, hung, or dead!
(From the .signature file of one David Lesher...)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646518</id>
	<title>What happened?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269781380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>All of the articles I've read about this seem to confuse DNS and BGP.
My guess is that the IP of one of the root dns servers was being "hijacked" by the Chinese by announcing a route to it and that route was being picked up externally so some people thinking they were using the real dns root were being diverted a chinese root server giving out different IP addresses for lookups on these domains.

Does that make sense?</htmltext>
<tokenext>All of the articles I 've read about this seem to confuse DNS and BGP .
My guess is that the IP of one of the root dns servers was being " hijacked " by the Chinese by announcing a route to it and that route was being picked up externally so some people thinking they were using the real dns root were being diverted a chinese root server giving out different IP addresses for lookups on these domains .
Does that make sense ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of the articles I've read about this seem to confuse DNS and BGP.
My guess is that the IP of one of the root dns servers was being "hijacked" by the Chinese by announcing a route to it and that route was being picked up externally so some people thinking they were using the real dns root were being diverted a chinese root server giving out different IP addresses for lookups on these domains.
Does that make sense?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646318</id>
	<title>The great firewall of China</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269777180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For a moment, it stretched around the world. Or, atleast to the Americas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For a moment , it stretched around the world .
Or , atleast to the Americas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a moment, it stretched around the world.
Or, atleast to the Americas.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646906</id>
	<title>Re:route announcements?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269787740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.robtex.com/as/as29216.html#graph" title="robtex.com" rel="nofollow">Here's a graph of the network structure as seen by BGP.</a> [robtex.com]</p><p>AS29216 at the right is the AS which I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET is located in. As we can see, it is only reachable through AS8674 (NETNOD-IX).</p><p>Which in turn is reachable directly from a few different AS:es, including AS24151 (CNNIC-CRITICAL-AP).</p><p>My guess is that Netnod simply started filtering out the routes to AS29216 via AS8674 on the BGP session to AS24151.</p><p>The DNS server itself might have been using BGP, it might not have. But in the end every system on the Internet is reachable with some kind of BGP route somewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a graph of the network structure as seen by BGP .
[ robtex.com ] AS29216 at the right is the AS which I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET is located in .
As we can see , it is only reachable through AS8674 ( NETNOD-IX ) .Which in turn is reachable directly from a few different AS : es , including AS24151 ( CNNIC-CRITICAL-AP ) .My guess is that Netnod simply started filtering out the routes to AS29216 via AS8674 on the BGP session to AS24151.The DNS server itself might have been using BGP , it might not have .
But in the end every system on the Internet is reachable with some kind of BGP route somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a graph of the network structure as seen by BGP.
[robtex.com]AS29216 at the right is the AS which I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET is located in.
As we can see, it is only reachable through AS8674 (NETNOD-IX).Which in turn is reachable directly from a few different AS:es, including AS24151 (CNNIC-CRITICAL-AP).My guess is that Netnod simply started filtering out the routes to AS29216 via AS8674 on the BGP session to AS24151.The DNS server itself might have been using BGP, it might not have.
But in the end every system on the Internet is reachable with some kind of BGP route somewhere.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646362</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646486</id>
	<title>Re:Chinese tweets</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269780600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The artilce includes a sample of Twitter tweets, all in Chinese.  Unfortunately, just entering the Twitter search URL into Google translator doesn't seem to work, as the "Realtime results for Netnod" (<a href="http://twitter.com/search?q=Netnod" title="twitter.com" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/search?q=Netnod</a> [twitter.com]) are apparently served via JSON or something.  Anyone got any ideas?</p></div><p>It's called select, copy, and paste.</p><p>And you go to Slashdot for news?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The artilce includes a sample of Twitter tweets , all in Chinese .
Unfortunately , just entering the Twitter search URL into Google translator does n't seem to work , as the " Realtime results for Netnod " ( http : //twitter.com/search ? q = Netnod [ twitter.com ] ) are apparently served via JSON or something .
Anyone got any ideas ? It 's called select , copy , and paste.And you go to Slashdot for news ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The artilce includes a sample of Twitter tweets, all in Chinese.
Unfortunately, just entering the Twitter search URL into Google translator doesn't seem to work, as the "Realtime results for Netnod" (http://twitter.com/search?q=Netnod [twitter.com]) are apparently served via JSON or something.
Anyone got any ideas?It's called select, copy, and paste.And you go to Slashdot for news?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647218</id>
	<title>Bigger News</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269791100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know we're all concerned with China's web censorship (I certainly am; I live in China).<br>But the ChinaDaily is reporting that the Chinese are *controlling the weather!*<br>http://www.chinadaily.cn/china/2010-03/28/content\_9652977.htm (Sorry, I don't know how to make links in this dialog).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know we 're all concerned with China 's web censorship ( I certainly am ; I live in China ) .But the ChinaDaily is reporting that the Chinese are * controlling the weather !
* http : //www.chinadaily.cn/china/2010-03/28/content \ _9652977.htm ( Sorry , I do n't know how to make links in this dialog ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know we're all concerned with China's web censorship (I certainly am; I live in China).But the ChinaDaily is reporting that the Chinese are *controlling the weather!
*http://www.chinadaily.cn/china/2010-03/28/content\_9652977.htm (Sorry, I don't know how to make links in this dialog).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31648640</id>
	<title>Kurt Lindqvist is a dragon slayer!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269801780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>um.... isn't kurt lindqvist the legendary dragon slayer in tom holt's comic fantasy books??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>um.... is n't kurt lindqvist the legendary dragon slayer in tom holt 's comic fantasy books ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>um.... isn't kurt lindqvist the legendary dragon slayer in tom holt's comic fantasy books?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646454</id>
	<title>So I guess you could say...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269780000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They got to the "Root" of the problem.</p><p>[ducks]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They got to the " Root " of the problem .
[ ducks ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They got to the "Root" of the problem.
[ducks]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646850</id>
	<title>Re:Heads should roll</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269787200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you can inspect the packets, you can change the packets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can inspect the packets , you can change the packets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can inspect the packets, you can change the packets.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646506</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646332</id>
	<title>Google Fights Back</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269777360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It had to happen sooner or later...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It had to happen sooner or later.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It had to happen sooner or later...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646742</id>
	<title>Australia impacted too, not just Chile</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269785340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check out Optus resolving for twitter and facebook as far back as March 11th</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out Optus resolving for twitter and facebook as far back as March 11th</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out Optus resolving for twitter and facebook as far back as March 11th</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647834</id>
	<title>Re:What happened?</title>
	<author>LifesABeach</author>
	<datestamp>1269795960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What amazes me about Chinese censorship is that rather than show that the opposite is true, the Chinese government causes those that disagree to not be heard; so much for those in command whose culture values wisdom and patience.  Its like watching <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtcVMTZkTZQ" title="youtube.com">Sarah Palin</a> [youtube.com] read her notes on her hand on topics that my 14 year old daughter could debate either Pro or Con while trying desperately not to look too bored.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What amazes me about Chinese censorship is that rather than show that the opposite is true , the Chinese government causes those that disagree to not be heard ; so much for those in command whose culture values wisdom and patience .
Its like watching Sarah Palin [ youtube.com ] read her notes on her hand on topics that my 14 year old daughter could debate either Pro or Con while trying desperately not to look too bored .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What amazes me about Chinese censorship is that rather than show that the opposite is true, the Chinese government causes those that disagree to not be heard; so much for those in command whose culture values wisdom and patience.
Its like watching Sarah Palin [youtube.com] read her notes on her hand on topics that my 14 year old daughter could debate either Pro or Con while trying desperately not to look too bored.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646518</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646380</id>
	<title>Chinese tweets</title>
	<author>vrmlguy</author>
	<datestamp>1269778320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The artilce includes a sample of Twitter tweets, all in Chinese.  Unfortunately, just entering the Twitter search URL into Google translator doesn't seem to work, as the "Realtime results for Netnod" (<a href="http://twitter.com/search?q=Netnod" title="twitter.com">http://twitter.com/search?q=Netnod</a> [twitter.com]) are apparently served via JSON or something.  Anyone got any ideas?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The artilce includes a sample of Twitter tweets , all in Chinese .
Unfortunately , just entering the Twitter search URL into Google translator does n't seem to work , as the " Realtime results for Netnod " ( http : //twitter.com/search ? q = Netnod [ twitter.com ] ) are apparently served via JSON or something .
Anyone got any ideas ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The artilce includes a sample of Twitter tweets, all in Chinese.
Unfortunately, just entering the Twitter search URL into Google translator doesn't seem to work, as the "Realtime results for Netnod" (http://twitter.com/search?q=Netnod [twitter.com]) are apparently served via JSON or something.
Anyone got any ideas?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31649666</id>
	<title>Re:I blame American ISP's</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269809100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The default "root-cache" file (which basically everyone uses) gives your nameserver a list of ALL of the root servers.</p><p>In fact, you can't even really pick which ones to use because there are only 11 IPs -- in order to scale the number of servers without making the root-cache huge (and forcing every nameserver on the internet to keep it up-to-date) BGP anycast is used.  So you end up seeing the 11 servers who are "close" to you in BGP.  This means that they travel through the fewest ASes (Autonomous Systems; basically different network providers).  This doesn't mean that they're geographically close but hopefully having the fewest networks in between means they'll be reliable.</p><p>There's an interesting map <a href="http://www.root-servers.org/" title="root-servers.org" rel="nofollow">at root-servers.org</a> [root-servers.org].  Basically, the "rogue" nameserver in Beijing is only one of 34 machines known as i.root-servers.net (aka 192.36.148.17)  Through the magic of BGP anycast there are 33 other machines throughout the world with that exact IP address.  Again, when your American ISP queries that IP address it doesn't have direct control over which country gets to answer the request</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The default " root-cache " file ( which basically everyone uses ) gives your nameserver a list of ALL of the root servers.In fact , you ca n't even really pick which ones to use because there are only 11 IPs -- in order to scale the number of servers without making the root-cache huge ( and forcing every nameserver on the internet to keep it up-to-date ) BGP anycast is used .
So you end up seeing the 11 servers who are " close " to you in BGP .
This means that they travel through the fewest ASes ( Autonomous Systems ; basically different network providers ) .
This does n't mean that they 're geographically close but hopefully having the fewest networks in between means they 'll be reliable.There 's an interesting map at root-servers.org [ root-servers.org ] .
Basically , the " rogue " nameserver in Beijing is only one of 34 machines known as i.root-servers.net ( aka 192.36.148.17 ) Through the magic of BGP anycast there are 33 other machines throughout the world with that exact IP address .
Again , when your American ISP queries that IP address it does n't have direct control over which country gets to answer the request</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The default "root-cache" file (which basically everyone uses) gives your nameserver a list of ALL of the root servers.In fact, you can't even really pick which ones to use because there are only 11 IPs -- in order to scale the number of servers without making the root-cache huge (and forcing every nameserver on the internet to keep it up-to-date) BGP anycast is used.
So you end up seeing the 11 servers who are "close" to you in BGP.
This means that they travel through the fewest ASes (Autonomous Systems; basically different network providers).
This doesn't mean that they're geographically close but hopefully having the fewest networks in between means they'll be reliable.There's an interesting map at root-servers.org [root-servers.org].
Basically, the "rogue" nameserver in Beijing is only one of 34 machines known as i.root-servers.net (aka 192.36.148.17)  Through the magic of BGP anycast there are 33 other machines throughout the world with that exact IP address.
Again, when your American ISP queries that IP address it doesn't have direct control over which country gets to answer the request</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647108</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31648908</id>
	<title>FIRST pOST</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269803460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">the mundane chores interest in having Any0ne that thinks The failure of during which I 4, which by all The future holds while the project megs of ram runs THEY'RE GONE CAME Own lube, beverage, do, and with any But I'd rather hear the project is in 'doing something' as possible? How non-fucking-existant. GNAA (GAY NIGGER ofone single puny However I don't That he documents glov+es, condoms to them...then they learn from our so there are people to any BSD project, Software lawyers</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>the mundane chores interest in having Any0ne that thinks The failure of during which I 4 , which by all The future holds while the project megs of ram runs THEY 'RE GONE CAME Own lube , beverage , do , and with any But I 'd rather hear the project is in 'doing something ' as possible ?
How non-fucking-existant .
GNAA ( GAY NIGGER ofone single puny However I do n't That he documents glov + es , condoms to them...then they learn from our so there are people to any BSD project , Software lawyers [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the mundane chores interest in having Any0ne that thinks The failure of during which I 4, which by all The future holds while the project megs of ram runs THEY'RE GONE CAME Own lube, beverage, do, and with any But I'd rather hear the project is in 'doing something' as possible?
How non-fucking-existant.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ofone single puny However I don't That he documents glov+es, condoms to them...then they learn from our so there are people to any BSD project, Software lawyers [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31648224</id>
	<title>Can we?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269798840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can we just disconnect China? 90\% of the spam, malware and port scans against systems I support all seem to originate from China. I've already blocked quite a few IP ranges, but it's just not very effective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we just disconnect China ?
90 \ % of the spam , malware and port scans against systems I support all seem to originate from China .
I 've already blocked quite a few IP ranges , but it 's just not very effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we just disconnect China?
90\% of the spam, malware and port scans against systems I support all seem to originate from China.
I've already blocked quite a few IP ranges, but it's just not very effective.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646506</id>
	<title>Re:Heads should roll</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269781080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chillax, it's a firewall, not a deathray.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chillax , it 's a firewall , not a deathray .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chillax, it's a firewall, not a deathray.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646398</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31648382</id>
	<title>Re:Heads should roll</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269799980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A better solution would be to just block that root server.  If China doesn't want to play along nicely, well, they can turn into their own mega-LAN all they want.</p><p>In fact, I'd do one better take ALL of their internet access outside of China offline for them - just flat out cut the connection so that their entire country is in the dark.  No news, no information, no business, no nothing.  Not even their government and military has any information(aside from maybe a modem or two or satellite new feeds I guess)</p><p>I'd give them about two months before the people in power weren't any more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A better solution would be to just block that root server .
If China does n't want to play along nicely , well , they can turn into their own mega-LAN all they want.In fact , I 'd do one better take ALL of their internet access outside of China offline for them - just flat out cut the connection so that their entire country is in the dark .
No news , no information , no business , no nothing .
Not even their government and military has any information ( aside from maybe a modem or two or satellite new feeds I guess ) I 'd give them about two months before the people in power were n't any more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A better solution would be to just block that root server.
If China doesn't want to play along nicely, well, they can turn into their own mega-LAN all they want.In fact, I'd do one better take ALL of their internet access outside of China offline for them - just flat out cut the connection so that their entire country is in the dark.
No news, no information, no business, no nothing.
Not even their government and military has any information(aside from maybe a modem or two or satellite new feeds I guess)I'd give them about two months before the people in power weren't any more.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647468</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647914</id>
	<title>Re:Heads should roll</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269796680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you read the mail group thread? This is an ongoing DNS problem since 2002.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you read the mail group thread ?
This is an ongoing DNS problem since 2002 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you read the mail group thread?
This is an ongoing DNS problem since 2002.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647468</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647108</id>
	<title>I blame American ISP's</title>
	<author>ironicsky</author>
	<datestamp>1269790200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I blame American and Chile ISP's.<br>Why on earth would you query the root server on the other side of the world, especially in an ass backwards country like China when there are plenty of good servers here?<br>Shouldn't you query the closest available server, not the furthest?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I blame American and Chile ISP 's.Why on earth would you query the root server on the other side of the world , especially in an ass backwards country like China when there are plenty of good servers here ? Should n't you query the closest available server , not the furthest ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I blame American and Chile ISP's.Why on earth would you query the root server on the other side of the world, especially in an ass backwards country like China when there are plenty of good servers here?Shouldn't you query the closest available server, not the furthest?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646320</id>
	<title>Even more reason</title>
	<author>Finallyjoined!!!</author>
	<datestamp>1269777240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To fully implement dnssec.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To fully implement dnssec .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To fully implement dnssec.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646926</id>
	<title>Re:route announcements?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269787980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please turn in your nerd card at the gate.  Myspace or Friendster is more your mark.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please turn in your nerd card at the gate .
Myspace or Friendster is more your mark .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please turn in your nerd card at the gate.
Myspace or Friendster is more your mark.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646362</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31650946</id>
	<title>Re:I blame American ISP's</title>
	<author>jon3k</author>
	<datestamp>1269774900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree completely.  It's very simple to go into your DNS server root hints file and remove DNS servers you don't want to query.  Pick your favorites, specifically ones near you, using anycast ideally, delete the rest -- problem solved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree completely .
It 's very simple to go into your DNS server root hints file and remove DNS servers you do n't want to query .
Pick your favorites , specifically ones near you , using anycast ideally , delete the rest -- problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree completely.
It's very simple to go into your DNS server root hints file and remove DNS servers you don't want to query.
Pick your favorites, specifically ones near you, using anycast ideally, delete the rest -- problem solved.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647108</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31646398</id>
	<title>Heads should roll</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269778620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who knows, in the few days that the Great Firewall of China crossed the Pacific, the kind of damage that could have been done, or perhaps even already been done?
</p><p>This should never have been allowed to happen in the first place, and when it had, it shouldn't have been allowed to persist for a few days before being made public and taking action.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who knows , in the few days that the Great Firewall of China crossed the Pacific , the kind of damage that could have been done , or perhaps even already been done ?
This should never have been allowed to happen in the first place , and when it had , it should n't have been allowed to persist for a few days before being made public and taking action .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who knows, in the few days that the Great Firewall of China crossed the Pacific, the kind of damage that could have been done, or perhaps even already been done?
This should never have been allowed to happen in the first place, and when it had, it shouldn't have been allowed to persist for a few days before being made public and taking action.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0637258.31647522</id>
	<title>Re:What happened?</title>
	<author>mysticalreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1269793500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your suggestion makes sense, but that's not what happened.</p><p>Something like this</p><p>I.root-servers.net (beijing) -&gt; chinese networks -&gt; Chile networks</p><p>So, the real I root server sent correct answers to the querying computer in Chile.  But, as the DNS packet travelled across the Chinese network, it was modified, and so the packet received by the Chilean network was false, returning a fake IP address for some domains, like 'facebook.com'.</p><p>This is called a 'man-in-the-middle attack'.  The Chinese network, in the middle, is modifying packets.</p><p>Once the I root server operators realized this was happening, they stopped the BGP route announcement from the I root server node in Beijing, so that queries to i.root-servers.net would not be answered in Beijing, but instead by the other i-root nodes. There are 34 currently, so no problems with load would occur shutting off one node.</p><p>Hopefully that makes sense.</p><p>P.S. <a href="http://www.root-servers.org/" title="root-servers.org">www.root-servers.org</a> [root-servers.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your suggestion makes sense , but that 's not what happened.Something like thisI.root-servers.net ( beijing ) - &gt; chinese networks - &gt; Chile networksSo , the real I root server sent correct answers to the querying computer in Chile .
But , as the DNS packet travelled across the Chinese network , it was modified , and so the packet received by the Chilean network was false , returning a fake IP address for some domains , like 'facebook.com'.This is called a 'man-in-the-middle attack' .
The Chinese network , in the middle , is modifying packets.Once the I root server operators realized this was happening , they stopped the BGP route announcement from the I root server node in Beijing , so that queries to i.root-servers.net would not be answered in Beijing , but instead by the other i-root nodes .
There are 34 currently , so no problems with load would occur shutting off one node.Hopefully that makes sense.P.S .
www.root-servers.org [ root-servers.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your suggestion makes sense, but that's not what happened.Something like thisI.root-servers.net (beijing) -&gt; chinese networks -&gt; Chile networksSo, the real I root server sent correct answers to the querying computer in Chile.
But, as the DNS packet travelled across the Chinese network, it was modified, and so the packet received by the Chilean network was false, returning a fake IP address for some domains, like 'facebook.com'.This is called a 'man-in-the-middle attack'.
The Chinese network, in the middle, is modifying packets.Once the I root server operators realized this was happening, they stopped the BGP route announcement from the I root server node in Beijing, so that queries to i.root-servers.net would not be answered in Beijing, but instead by the other i-root nodes.
There are 34 currently, so no problems with load would occur shutting off one node.Hopefully that makes sense.P.S.
www.root-servers.org [root-servers.org]</sentencetext>
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