<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_28_0455227</id>
	<title>Israel's Supreme Court Says Yes To Internet Anonymity</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269796080000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>jonklinger writes <i>"The Israeli Supreme Court ruled this week that there is no civil procedure to reveal the identity of users behind an IP address, and that until such procedure shall be legislated, <a href="http://2jk.org/english/?p=197">all internet postings, even tortious, may remain anonymous</a>. The 69-page decision acknowledges the right to privacy and makes internet anonymity <em>de facto</em> a constitutional right in Israel. Justice Rivlin noted that revealing a person behind an IP address is 'an attempt to harness, prior to a legal proceeding, the justice system and a third party in order to conduct an inquiry which will lead to the revealing of a person committing a tort so that a civil suit could be filed against him.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>jonklinger writes " The Israeli Supreme Court ruled this week that there is no civil procedure to reveal the identity of users behind an IP address , and that until such procedure shall be legislated , all internet postings , even tortious , may remain anonymous .
The 69-page decision acknowledges the right to privacy and makes internet anonymity de facto a constitutional right in Israel .
Justice Rivlin noted that revealing a person behind an IP address is 'an attempt to harness , prior to a legal proceeding , the justice system and a third party in order to conduct an inquiry which will lead to the revealing of a person committing a tort so that a civil suit could be filed against him .
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<sentencetext>jonklinger writes "The Israeli Supreme Court ruled this week that there is no civil procedure to reveal the identity of users behind an IP address, and that until such procedure shall be legislated, all internet postings, even tortious, may remain anonymous.
The 69-page decision acknowledges the right to privacy and makes internet anonymity de facto a constitutional right in Israel.
Justice Rivlin noted that revealing a person behind an IP address is 'an attempt to harness, prior to a legal proceeding, the justice system and a third party in order to conduct an inquiry which will lead to the revealing of a person committing a tort so that a civil suit could be filed against him.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645266</id>
	<title>Wow!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269713700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A country that appears to have so little respect for the rights of other folks in it's region appears to hold the rights of it's own folks in very high regard.<br> <br>

I don't know whether to applaud or to cry at the irony.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A country that appears to have so little respect for the rights of other folks in it 's region appears to hold the rights of it 's own folks in very high regard .
I do n't know whether to applaud or to cry at the irony .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A country that appears to have so little respect for the rights of other folks in it's region appears to hold the rights of it's own folks in very high regard.
I don't know whether to applaud or to cry at the irony.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646392</id>
	<title>Re:Even for torts?</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1269778380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And there's a strong argument that people are quickly getting used to the fact that anyone can say anything on the internet, so few people will believe an anonymous poster.</p><p>You can go either way, but I always prefer to err on the side of liberty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And there 's a strong argument that people are quickly getting used to the fact that anyone can say anything on the internet , so few people will believe an anonymous poster.You can go either way , but I always prefer to err on the side of liberty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And there's a strong argument that people are quickly getting used to the fact that anyone can say anything on the internet, so few people will believe an anonymous poster.You can go either way, but I always prefer to err on the side of liberty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645508</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269717000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe the current french president, Sarkozy, is from the right wing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe the current french president , Sarkozy , is from the right wing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe the current french president, Sarkozy, is from the right wing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646626</id>
	<title>Re:Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269783420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Israel, not Turkey, deserves to be a member of the European Union (EU).</p><p>The Turks have long attacked human rights.  In Turkey, suppressing free speech on and off the Internet is almost <a href="http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no\_cache=1&amp;tx\_ttnews\%5Btt\_news\%5D=33735" title="jamestown.org" rel="nofollow">a national sport</a> [jamestown.org].  You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/05/armenia-deportations-first-world-war-turkey" title="guardian.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Armenian genocide</a> [guardian.co.uk].</p><p>After a Congressional committee approved a resolution ascribing responsibility for the genocide to the Turks, the Turks withdrew their ambassador from the USA.</p><p>This sort of behavior is not what we Westerners want to see in the European Union.  The Israelis act more like Europeans than the Turks and deserve EU membership far more than the Turks.</p></div><p>So in Israel's case where the genocide is ongoing, it's somehow better, not worse, than a genocide that happened in the past?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Israel , not Turkey , deserves to be a member of the European Union ( EU ) .The Turks have long attacked human rights .
In Turkey , suppressing free speech on and off the Internet is almost a national sport [ jamestown.org ] .
You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the Armenian genocide [ guardian.co.uk ] .After a Congressional committee approved a resolution ascribing responsibility for the genocide to the Turks , the Turks withdrew their ambassador from the USA.This sort of behavior is not what we Westerners want to see in the European Union .
The Israelis act more like Europeans than the Turks and deserve EU membership far more than the Turks.So in Israel 's case where the genocide is ongoing , it 's somehow better , not worse , than a genocide that happened in the past ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Israel, not Turkey, deserves to be a member of the European Union (EU).The Turks have long attacked human rights.
In Turkey, suppressing free speech on and off the Internet is almost a national sport [jamestown.org].
You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the Armenian genocide [guardian.co.uk].After a Congressional committee approved a resolution ascribing responsibility for the genocide to the Turks, the Turks withdrew their ambassador from the USA.This sort of behavior is not what we Westerners want to see in the European Union.
The Israelis act more like Europeans than the Turks and deserve EU membership far more than the Turks.So in Israel's case where the genocide is ongoing, it's somehow better, not worse, than a genocide that happened in the past?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646298</id>
	<title>The Israeli high court</title>
	<author>Peaker</author>
	<datestamp>1269776640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Israeli high court is truly a beacon of democracy and considered relatively left-wing inside Israel.</p><p>It has quite a bit of opposition inside Israel.</p><p>In my opinion as an Israeli, it is often hated in Israel for upholding Israel's actual law (including those about preserving human dignity) even when it contradicts the right-wingers goals or sometimes even the interests of the Israeli state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Israeli high court is truly a beacon of democracy and considered relatively left-wing inside Israel.It has quite a bit of opposition inside Israel.In my opinion as an Israeli , it is often hated in Israel for upholding Israel 's actual law ( including those about preserving human dignity ) even when it contradicts the right-wingers goals or sometimes even the interests of the Israeli state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Israeli high court is truly a beacon of democracy and considered relatively left-wing inside Israel.It has quite a bit of opposition inside Israel.In my opinion as an Israeli, it is often hated in Israel for upholding Israel's actual law (including those about preserving human dignity) even when it contradicts the right-wingers goals or sometimes even the interests of the Israeli state.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645510</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1269717060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They didn't explicitly "approve" anything.  They basically said that the legislature needs to make a law about it first.  How long before that happens?</htmltext>
<tokenext>They did n't explicitly " approve " anything .
They basically said that the legislature needs to make a law about it first .
How long before that happens ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They didn't explicitly "approve" anything.
They basically said that the legislature needs to make a law about it first.
How long before that happens?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645284</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645592</id>
	<title>Re:Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1269718500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whatever.  Cut off our aid so that they can do what they'd like, and we won't have to care.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whatever .
Cut off our aid so that they can do what they 'd like , and we wo n't have to care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whatever.
Cut off our aid so that they can do what they'd like, and we won't have to care.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645322</id>
	<title>Even for torts?</title>
	<author>dancingmad</author>
	<datestamp>1269714300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there a good argument to cover even tortuous actions under this?  I'm for a free Internet, but defamation on the Internet is still defamation (for example).</p><p>Of course, an anonymous source who defamed someone else could be judged by society; (if you're not willing to sign your name then why should we trust you?).  That said, there's a strong argument for a defamation plaintiff that even if the defamer is anonymous he or she is still subject to the harm from an anonymous person's defamation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there a good argument to cover even tortuous actions under this ?
I 'm for a free Internet , but defamation on the Internet is still defamation ( for example ) .Of course , an anonymous source who defamed someone else could be judged by society ; ( if you 're not willing to sign your name then why should we trust you ? ) .
That said , there 's a strong argument for a defamation plaintiff that even if the defamer is anonymous he or she is still subject to the harm from an anonymous person 's defamation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there a good argument to cover even tortuous actions under this?
I'm for a free Internet, but defamation on the Internet is still defamation (for example).Of course, an anonymous source who defamed someone else could be judged by society; (if you're not willing to sign your name then why should we trust you?).
That said, there's a strong argument for a defamation plaintiff that even if the defamer is anonymous he or she is still subject to the harm from an anonymous person's defamation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645412</id>
	<title>Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269715200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Israelis, yet again, demonstrate that their nation is part of the West.  Israel is a Western democracy that safeguards civil rights and, in general, human rights.  <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/11/international/middleeast/11sultan.html" title="nytimes.com" rel="nofollow">Wafa Sultan</a> [nytimes.com], a prominent American of Syrian ancestry, correctly and firmly praises the achievements of the Israelis.
<p>
Israel, not Turkey, deserves to be a member of the European Union (EU).
</p><p>
The Turks have long attacked human rights.  In Turkey, suppressing free speech on and off the Internet is almost <a href="http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no\_cache=1&amp;tx\_ttnews\%5Btt\_news\%5D=33735" title="jamestown.org" rel="nofollow">a national sport</a> [jamestown.org].  You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/05/armenia-deportations-first-world-war-turkey" title="guardian.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Armenian genocide</a> [guardian.co.uk].
</p><p>
After a Congressional committee approved a resolution ascribing responsibility for the genocide to the Turks, the Turks withdrew their ambassador from the USA.
</p><p>
This sort of behavior is not what we Westerners want to see in the European Union.  The Israelis act more like Europeans than the Turks and deserve EU membership far more than the Turks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Israelis , yet again , demonstrate that their nation is part of the West .
Israel is a Western democracy that safeguards civil rights and , in general , human rights .
Wafa Sultan [ nytimes.com ] , a prominent American of Syrian ancestry , correctly and firmly praises the achievements of the Israelis .
Israel , not Turkey , deserves to be a member of the European Union ( EU ) .
The Turks have long attacked human rights .
In Turkey , suppressing free speech on and off the Internet is almost a national sport [ jamestown.org ] .
You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the Armenian genocide [ guardian.co.uk ] .
After a Congressional committee approved a resolution ascribing responsibility for the genocide to the Turks , the Turks withdrew their ambassador from the USA .
This sort of behavior is not what we Westerners want to see in the European Union .
The Israelis act more like Europeans than the Turks and deserve EU membership far more than the Turks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Israelis, yet again, demonstrate that their nation is part of the West.
Israel is a Western democracy that safeguards civil rights and, in general, human rights.
Wafa Sultan [nytimes.com], a prominent American of Syrian ancestry, correctly and firmly praises the achievements of the Israelis.
Israel, not Turkey, deserves to be a member of the European Union (EU).
The Turks have long attacked human rights.
In Turkey, suppressing free speech on and off the Internet is almost a national sport [jamestown.org].
You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the Armenian genocide [guardian.co.uk].
After a Congressional committee approved a resolution ascribing responsibility for the genocide to the Turks, the Turks withdrew their ambassador from the USA.
This sort of behavior is not what we Westerners want to see in the European Union.
The Israelis act more like Europeans than the Turks and deserve EU membership far more than the Turks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645608</id>
	<title>Re:Hardly narrows it down</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269718740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you tried 4chan? ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you tried 4chan ?
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you tried 4chan?
^^</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646358</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1269778080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; France? Left-wing?<br><br>Compared to a country like the US, yes.<br><br>Terms like "right wing" and "left wing" are inherently relative.  France of course has politicians that are fairly described as "right wing" by French standards, but they're still left-of-center (i.e., liberal) by US standards.  If you prefer to look at things from the other perspective, the "moderates" in the US are pretty right-wing by French standards.<br><br>France is not as far left of center as, say, Sweden.<br><br>And the US (or Israel for that matter) is not the most right-wing country there is, either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; France ?
Left-wing ? Compared to a country like the US , yes.Terms like " right wing " and " left wing " are inherently relative .
France of course has politicians that are fairly described as " right wing " by French standards , but they 're still left-of-center ( i.e. , liberal ) by US standards .
If you prefer to look at things from the other perspective , the " moderates " in the US are pretty right-wing by French standards.France is not as far left of center as , say , Sweden.And the US ( or Israel for that matter ) is not the most right-wing country there is , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; France?
Left-wing?Compared to a country like the US, yes.Terms like "right wing" and "left wing" are inherently relative.
France of course has politicians that are fairly described as "right wing" by French standards, but they're still left-of-center (i.e., liberal) by US standards.
If you prefer to look at things from the other perspective, the "moderates" in the US are pretty right-wing by French standards.France is not as far left of center as, say, Sweden.And the US (or Israel for that matter) is not the most right-wing country there is, either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31650526</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>belmolis</author>
	<datestamp>1269772380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Actually, Israel is not right wing. Even under the "right wing" governments, Israel retains many socialist features, including a universal health care system. In spite of some censorship for military reasons, civil liberties in Israel are better protected than in most countries in the world. Indeed, even Arabs have greater political rights, including freedom of expression, than in any Arab country. (Israel was, not coincidentally, the first country in the Middle East to give Arab women the vote.)
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , Israel is not right wing .
Even under the " right wing " governments , Israel retains many socialist features , including a universal health care system .
In spite of some censorship for military reasons , civil liberties in Israel are better protected than in most countries in the world .
Indeed , even Arabs have greater political rights , including freedom of expression , than in any Arab country .
( Israel was , not coincidentally , the first country in the Middle East to give Arab women the vote .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Actually, Israel is not right wing.
Even under the "right wing" governments, Israel retains many socialist features, including a universal health care system.
In spite of some censorship for military reasons, civil liberties in Israel are better protected than in most countries in the world.
Indeed, even Arabs have greater political rights, including freedom of expression, than in any Arab country.
(Israel was, not coincidentally, the first country in the Middle East to give Arab women the vote.
)
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646104</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269771540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe my political analysis toolset needs to move out of the 20th century.</p></div><p>Left-wing means right-wing. Right-wing means left-wing. Got it? Welcome to the 21st century.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe my political analysis toolset needs to move out of the 20th century.Left-wing means right-wing .
Right-wing means left-wing .
Got it ?
Welcome to the 21st century .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe my political analysis toolset needs to move out of the 20th century.Left-wing means right-wing.
Right-wing means left-wing.
Got it?
Welcome to the 21st century.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31647560</id>
	<title>Re:Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269793920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the Armenian genocide.</p></div><p>Well, to be fair, in a few EU countries you can be arrested for saying that the Holocaust didn't happen.</p></div><p>I happen to be Jewish.  Even though saying that the Holocaust didn't happen is ignorant, inflammatory, and just plain wrong, the person who said it should have the right to say it.  In my opinion, it just shows how ignorant that person is, since there is more than enough historical evidence and documentation to show the contrary.  It's like saying that Jesus of Nazareth didn't exist.  We all know he did exist, but we just don't agree with each other on whether or not his claims to be Hamashia (Messiah) are valid.</p><p>Let them talk.  Give them enough rope, and they will hang themselves.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the Armenian genocide.Well , to be fair , in a few EU countries you can be arrested for saying that the Holocaust did n't happen.I happen to be Jewish .
Even though saying that the Holocaust did n't happen is ignorant , inflammatory , and just plain wrong , the person who said it should have the right to say it .
In my opinion , it just shows how ignorant that person is , since there is more than enough historical evidence and documentation to show the contrary .
It 's like saying that Jesus of Nazareth did n't exist .
We all know he did exist , but we just do n't agree with each other on whether or not his claims to be Hamashia ( Messiah ) are valid.Let them talk .
Give them enough rope , and they will hang themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the Armenian genocide.Well, to be fair, in a few EU countries you can be arrested for saying that the Holocaust didn't happen.I happen to be Jewish.
Even though saying that the Holocaust didn't happen is ignorant, inflammatory, and just plain wrong, the person who said it should have the right to say it.
In my opinion, it just shows how ignorant that person is, since there is more than enough historical evidence and documentation to show the contrary.
It's like saying that Jesus of Nazareth didn't exist.
We all know he did exist, but we just don't agree with each other on whether or not his claims to be Hamashia (Messiah) are valid.Let them talk.
Give them enough rope, and they will hang themselves.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646426</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269779400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has always astounded me how sane Isra&#235;l has remained even though it's more or less in a permanent state of war. If my home country would have gotten itself in the same situation it would devolve into a fascist dictatorship within a week.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has always astounded me how sane Isra   l has remained even though it 's more or less in a permanent state of war .
If my home country would have gotten itself in the same situation it would devolve into a fascist dictatorship within a week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has always astounded me how sane Israël has remained even though it's more or less in a permanent state of war.
If my home country would have gotten itself in the same situation it would devolve into a fascist dictatorship within a week.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646376</id>
	<title>Re:Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1269778260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the Armenian genocide.</p></div><p>Well, to be fair, in a few EU countries you can be arrested for saying that the Holocaust didn't happen.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the Armenian genocide.Well , to be fair , in a few EU countries you can be arrested for saying that the Holocaust did n't happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the Armenian genocide.Well, to be fair, in a few EU countries you can be arrested for saying that the Holocaust didn't happen.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646416</id>
	<title>Re:Even for torts?</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1269778980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; Is there a good argument to cover even tortuous actions under this?<br>&gt; I'm for a free Internet, but defamation on the Internet is still defamation<br><br>Nobody's saying you can't be sued for defamation just because it happens on the internet.<br><br>I guess the argument goes something like this:  in the real world, if you've said something inflammatory and somebody wants to sue you for it, figuring out who you are is entirely their problem.  There's no magic way for them to track you down just by looking at what you said.  For instance, if you hand out leaflets with something inflammatory on them, getting ahold of a copy of the leaflet does not in itself give them a way to identify you.<br><br>The other side of the argument, I suppose, would be that figuring out how to hand out the leaflets in a way that doesn't identify you as the defamer is entirely *your* problem.<br><br>I haven't yet entirely decided exactly how I feel about this.  I can see some disadvantages to society either way it goes, so it's a matter of figuring out priorities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Is there a good argument to cover even tortuous actions under this ? &gt; I 'm for a free Internet , but defamation on the Internet is still defamationNobody 's saying you ca n't be sued for defamation just because it happens on the internet.I guess the argument goes something like this : in the real world , if you 've said something inflammatory and somebody wants to sue you for it , figuring out who you are is entirely their problem .
There 's no magic way for them to track you down just by looking at what you said .
For instance , if you hand out leaflets with something inflammatory on them , getting ahold of a copy of the leaflet does not in itself give them a way to identify you.The other side of the argument , I suppose , would be that figuring out how to hand out the leaflets in a way that does n't identify you as the defamer is entirely * your * problem.I have n't yet entirely decided exactly how I feel about this .
I can see some disadvantages to society either way it goes , so it 's a matter of figuring out priorities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Is there a good argument to cover even tortuous actions under this?&gt; I'm for a free Internet, but defamation on the Internet is still defamationNobody's saying you can't be sued for defamation just because it happens on the internet.I guess the argument goes something like this:  in the real world, if you've said something inflammatory and somebody wants to sue you for it, figuring out who you are is entirely their problem.
There's no magic way for them to track you down just by looking at what you said.
For instance, if you hand out leaflets with something inflammatory on them, getting ahold of a copy of the leaflet does not in itself give them a way to identify you.The other side of the argument, I suppose, would be that figuring out how to hand out the leaflets in a way that doesn't identify you as the defamer is entirely *your* problem.I haven't yet entirely decided exactly how I feel about this.
I can see some disadvantages to society either way it goes, so it's a matter of figuring out priorities.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646178</id>
	<title>Re:Even for torts?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269773520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>dancingmad... he touched me... down there...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dancingmad... he touched me... down there.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dancingmad... he touched me... down there...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645564</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269718080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>France? Left-wing? You must be in the &ldquo;We in the US hate the French&rdquo; reality distortion bubble.</p><p>The government there is full of right-wingers and even nationalists!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>France ?
Left-wing ? You must be in the    We in the US hate the French    reality distortion bubble.The government there is full of right-wingers and even nationalists !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>France?
Left-wing? You must be in the “We in the US hate the French” reality distortion bubble.The government there is full of right-wingers and even nationalists!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646510</id>
	<title>Re:Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269781200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry but certain members of the EU are a little bit wary about Nations attribute citizenship based on ethnicity and appropriate land that does not belong to them under reasons like Lebensraum - oh sorry, i mean potential for Israeli growth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry but certain members of the EU are a little bit wary about Nations attribute citizenship based on ethnicity and appropriate land that does not belong to them under reasons like Lebensraum - oh sorry , i mean potential for Israeli growth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry but certain members of the EU are a little bit wary about Nations attribute citizenship based on ethnicity and appropriate land that does not belong to them under reasons like Lebensraum - oh sorry, i mean potential for Israeli growth.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645774</id>
	<title>Re:Even for torts?</title>
	<author>sigxcpu</author>
	<datestamp>1269807960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if this decision will survive if someone does a personal smear campaign against supreme judges.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if this decision will survive if someone does a personal smear campaign against supreme judges .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if this decision will survive if someone does a personal smear campaign against supreme judges.
   </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646122</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>amorsen</author>
	<datestamp>1269771900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well in theory the right wing is all about individual freedom whereas the left wing is about what's good for everyone. This particular decision fits perfectly with that.</p><p>What is strange is all the OTHER decisions where the right wing has restricted individual freedom to do something which is good for everyone (or at least to prevent something which is bad for everyone).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well in theory the right wing is all about individual freedom whereas the left wing is about what 's good for everyone .
This particular decision fits perfectly with that.What is strange is all the OTHER decisions where the right wing has restricted individual freedom to do something which is good for everyone ( or at least to prevent something which is bad for everyone ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well in theory the right wing is all about individual freedom whereas the left wing is about what's good for everyone.
This particular decision fits perfectly with that.What is strange is all the OTHER decisions where the right wing has restricted individual freedom to do something which is good for everyone (or at least to prevent something which is bad for everyone).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645722</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1269807000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, that left-wing vs right-wing thing was misleading even before it became obsolete, way back in the '80's.  But, it still has a catchy sound to it, and prevents people looking at the real issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , that left-wing vs right-wing thing was misleading even before it became obsolete , way back in the '80 's .
But , it still has a catchy sound to it , and prevents people looking at the real issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, that left-wing vs right-wing thing was misleading even before it became obsolete, way back in the '80's.
But, it still has a catchy sound to it, and prevents people looking at the real issues.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646768</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>ChiRaven</author>
	<datestamp>1269785820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The "left wing" has recently shown themselves (in cases like <i>Jewel v. NSA</i>, for example) to be even worse than their "right-wing" predecessors in attacking rights to individual privacy in electronic communications.  There's no help there.  Apparently there ARE no American mainstream politicians who actually believe that freedom of speech should be part of our fundamental rights in the 21st century.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The " left wing " has recently shown themselves ( in cases like Jewel v. NSA , for example ) to be even worse than their " right-wing " predecessors in attacking rights to individual privacy in electronic communications .
There 's no help there .
Apparently there ARE no American mainstream politicians who actually believe that freedom of speech should be part of our fundamental rights in the 21st century .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "left wing" has recently shown themselves (in cases like Jewel v. NSA, for example) to be even worse than their "right-wing" predecessors in attacking rights to individual privacy in electronic communications.
There's no help there.
Apparently there ARE no American mainstream politicians who actually believe that freedom of speech should be part of our fundamental rights in the 21st century.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645342</id>
	<title>Torturous?</title>
	<author>DustyShadow</author>
	<datestamp>1269714600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No. Tortuous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Tortuous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Tortuous.</sentencetext>
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	<title>I had no idea they wanted it!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269768300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an EU citizen who does follow politics, I'm embarrassed to notice that Israelis could be interested in membership considering how often our media criticizes Israel (IMHO too much). But your post made me do some googling and evidently Israelis have a much more positive attitude towards the EU than I had expected and indeed have expressed some interest in joining. Now, I consider Turkish membership still very, very distant and Israel much more suited to join but don't see that happening any time soon either. At the moment Turkey seems to be much more eager, though, since they're so willing to dance to the EU's pipe, which of course is good for human rights there.</p><p>However, what I do wonder is what would happen to US-Israel relations if Israel were to become a member. Especially since the EU is moving towards a common foreign policy and Israel's actions seems to be one of the main issues that the US and the EU have disagreements about and usually the EU has a gripe with how much the US sides with Israel. However, if Israel were to become a member state they would both formally and in practice (through intensified trade ties) be much more within the EU's sphere of influence (although also able to influence the EU more as a member state but one member state is still just one member state). It wouldn't surprise me if the US would try to exert pressure on Israel not to join the EU whilst the question for Israel would be how their national security would be affected, if the EU on the one hand would have more of a say yet on the other also be more interested in ensuring it. As we've recently observed, since the EU economies depend on each other, Greece is getting exorbitant help from other member states since it's in their interests to assist and similarly, regional instability would affect the Israeli economy and thus it would be much more in the EU's interests to help but the question is how since whilst you can use money to make an economy recover, money might not be a working solution, if neighbouring countries become too hostile. So the question of Israeli EU membership is quite fascinating and there's a lot of room for speculation. Especially wrt. to US interests.</p><p>From a pragmatic point of view there's still the question of much more freedom for EU citizens to live and travel in other member states and I suspect that the Israelis wouldn't approve of how EU member states grant citizenship to people with suspicious backgrounds and that such individuals then as EU citizens would have more freedom in Israel as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an EU citizen who does follow politics , I 'm embarrassed to notice that Israelis could be interested in membership considering how often our media criticizes Israel ( IMHO too much ) .
But your post made me do some googling and evidently Israelis have a much more positive attitude towards the EU than I had expected and indeed have expressed some interest in joining .
Now , I consider Turkish membership still very , very distant and Israel much more suited to join but do n't see that happening any time soon either .
At the moment Turkey seems to be much more eager , though , since they 're so willing to dance to the EU 's pipe , which of course is good for human rights there.However , what I do wonder is what would happen to US-Israel relations if Israel were to become a member .
Especially since the EU is moving towards a common foreign policy and Israel 's actions seems to be one of the main issues that the US and the EU have disagreements about and usually the EU has a gripe with how much the US sides with Israel .
However , if Israel were to become a member state they would both formally and in practice ( through intensified trade ties ) be much more within the EU 's sphere of influence ( although also able to influence the EU more as a member state but one member state is still just one member state ) .
It would n't surprise me if the US would try to exert pressure on Israel not to join the EU whilst the question for Israel would be how their national security would be affected , if the EU on the one hand would have more of a say yet on the other also be more interested in ensuring it .
As we 've recently observed , since the EU economies depend on each other , Greece is getting exorbitant help from other member states since it 's in their interests to assist and similarly , regional instability would affect the Israeli economy and thus it would be much more in the EU 's interests to help but the question is how since whilst you can use money to make an economy recover , money might not be a working solution , if neighbouring countries become too hostile .
So the question of Israeli EU membership is quite fascinating and there 's a lot of room for speculation .
Especially wrt .
to US interests.From a pragmatic point of view there 's still the question of much more freedom for EU citizens to live and travel in other member states and I suspect that the Israelis would n't approve of how EU member states grant citizenship to people with suspicious backgrounds and that such individuals then as EU citizens would have more freedom in Israel as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an EU citizen who does follow politics, I'm embarrassed to notice that Israelis could be interested in membership considering how often our media criticizes Israel (IMHO too much).
But your post made me do some googling and evidently Israelis have a much more positive attitude towards the EU than I had expected and indeed have expressed some interest in joining.
Now, I consider Turkish membership still very, very distant and Israel much more suited to join but don't see that happening any time soon either.
At the moment Turkey seems to be much more eager, though, since they're so willing to dance to the EU's pipe, which of course is good for human rights there.However, what I do wonder is what would happen to US-Israel relations if Israel were to become a member.
Especially since the EU is moving towards a common foreign policy and Israel's actions seems to be one of the main issues that the US and the EU have disagreements about and usually the EU has a gripe with how much the US sides with Israel.
However, if Israel were to become a member state they would both formally and in practice (through intensified trade ties) be much more within the EU's sphere of influence (although also able to influence the EU more as a member state but one member state is still just one member state).
It wouldn't surprise me if the US would try to exert pressure on Israel not to join the EU whilst the question for Israel would be how their national security would be affected, if the EU on the one hand would have more of a say yet on the other also be more interested in ensuring it.
As we've recently observed, since the EU economies depend on each other, Greece is getting exorbitant help from other member states since it's in their interests to assist and similarly, regional instability would affect the Israeli economy and thus it would be much more in the EU's interests to help but the question is how since whilst you can use money to make an economy recover, money might not be a working solution, if neighbouring countries become too hostile.
So the question of Israeli EU membership is quite fascinating and there's a lot of room for speculation.
Especially wrt.
to US interests.From a pragmatic point of view there's still the question of much more freedom for EU citizens to live and travel in other member states and I suspect that the Israelis wouldn't approve of how EU member states grant citizenship to people with suspicious backgrounds and that such individuals then as EU citizens would have more freedom in Israel as well.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Wow!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269714960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>so true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so true.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645720</id>
	<title>Re:Hardly narrows it down</title>
	<author>gavron</author>
	<datestamp>1269807000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this discussion is turtUous...</p><p>But the quoted article discusses tort law and that's tortIous.</p><p>All of it is torturous.</p><p>Ehud</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this discussion is turtUous...But the quoted article discusses tort law and that 's tortIous.All of it is torturous.Ehud</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this discussion is turtUous...But the quoted article discusses tort law and that's tortIous.All of it is torturous.Ehud</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646766</id>
	<title>Re:Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269785820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes.  In some countries, you can be arrested for saying that the Holocaust DIDN'T happen, when in fact it DID.</p><p>In Turkey you can be arrested for saying that the Turks were the cause of the Armenian genocide, when in fact they WERE.</p><p>Both are examples of suppressing unpopular speech, but one is an example of suppressing LIES and the other is an example of suppressing THE TRUTH.</p><p>Somebody needs to work on their critical thinking skills.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
In some countries , you can be arrested for saying that the Holocaust DID N'T happen , when in fact it DID.In Turkey you can be arrested for saying that the Turks were the cause of the Armenian genocide , when in fact they WERE.Both are examples of suppressing unpopular speech , but one is an example of suppressing LIES and the other is an example of suppressing THE TRUTH.Somebody needs to work on their critical thinking skills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.
In some countries, you can be arrested for saying that the Holocaust DIDN'T happen, when in fact it DID.In Turkey you can be arrested for saying that the Turks were the cause of the Armenian genocide, when in fact they WERE.Both are examples of suppressing unpopular speech, but one is an example of suppressing LIES and the other is an example of suppressing THE TRUTH.Somebody needs to work on their critical thinking skills.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31651236</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1269777120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe my political analysis toolset needs to move out of the 20th century....</p></div><p>Indeed.  You have shown yet another example of why <a href="http://www.politicalcompass.org/" title="politicalcompass.org">"right" and "left"</a> [politicalcompass.org] are meaningless ways to compare philosophies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe my political analysis toolset needs to move out of the 20th century....Indeed .
You have shown yet another example of why " right " and " left " [ politicalcompass.org ] are meaningless ways to compare philosophies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe my political analysis toolset needs to move out of the 20th century....Indeed.
You have shown yet another example of why "right" and "left" [politicalcompass.org] are meaningless ways to compare philosophies.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646292</id>
	<title>Re:Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269776580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Israel deserves EU? Yeah maybe, but does EU deserve Israel? I don't think so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Israel deserves EU ?
Yeah maybe , but does EU deserve Israel ?
I do n't think so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Israel deserves EU?
Yeah maybe, but does EU deserve Israel?
I don't think so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646396</id>
	<title>Re:Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269778620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I don't really know if Israeli's, would like to join EU. Sincerely, I don't believe it and I think they have much more in common with the united states (including the $3 billion per year military aid USA gives them: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel\_\%E2\%80\%93\_United\_States\_military\_relations#Military\_aid" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel\_\%E2\%80\%93\_United\_States\_military\_relations#Military\_aid</a> [wikipedia.org]). What I do know is that except for Berlusconi (and well, if you lived in EU, you would really know that when we talk about Berlusconi it actually means that not only we don't believe a word the guy says, but also that we don't really care about any opinion he might express or not), it would be quite hard to find someone here, both from the populace or from the political leaders that wants Israel in here.</p><p>EU is based in a sense of stability and respect for the neighbors that Israel simply doesn't have. I don't want to discuss their motives, cause I know that there are some very educated people here that are clearly pro Israel and can always twist anti-Israel opinions by giving some case in which is not true<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but the truth is that most of the times it's true. It's true that you treat the non Israeli population like garbage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisjordania#Annexation), it's true that you are constantly stealing property in Cisjordania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisjordania#Settlements\_and\_international\_law), it's true that you impose a blockade to Gaza that is degrading their population (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007\%E2\%80\%932010\_blockade\_of\_the\_Gaza\_Strip), it's true that you don't let the Palestinian authority sell the vast natural gas reserves they have in their shore line (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=11680), it's true that when Israel was formed you committed genocide in several Arab villages during the night (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya\_massacre). Anyway.</p><p>Most of Europeans are anti-war, either cause we are apathetic or simply because we don't believe in it. And we are not accepting a country between us that has the attitude Israel has. For instance, just some days ago you used your ambassadors in France and UK to forge some passports in order for you to go in Dubai and kill some Hamas leader (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/7294046/Dubai-assassination-eight-British-passports-used-in-Hamas-killing.html)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... that shows very well the kind of lack of respect you have.</p><p>Also, that is one of the main reasons putting Turkey aside from entering the EU. The problem with Kurdistan is all but controlled<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and I don't mean controlled by force, I mean controlled by diplomacy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I do n't really know if Israeli 's , would like to join EU .
Sincerely , I do n't believe it and I think they have much more in common with the united states ( including the $ 3 billion per year military aid USA gives them : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel \ _ \ % E2 \ % 80 \ % 93 \ _United \ _States \ _military \ _relations # Military \ _aid [ wikipedia.org ] ) .
What I do know is that except for Berlusconi ( and well , if you lived in EU , you would really know that when we talk about Berlusconi it actually means that not only we do n't believe a word the guy says , but also that we do n't really care about any opinion he might express or not ) , it would be quite hard to find someone here , both from the populace or from the political leaders that wants Israel in here.EU is based in a sense of stability and respect for the neighbors that Israel simply does n't have .
I do n't want to discuss their motives , cause I know that there are some very educated people here that are clearly pro Israel and can always twist anti-Israel opinions by giving some case in which is not true ... but the truth is that most of the times it 's true .
It 's true that you treat the non Israeli population like garbage ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisjordania # Annexation ) , it 's true that you are constantly stealing property in Cisjordania ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisjordania # Settlements \ _and \ _international \ _law ) , it 's true that you impose a blockade to Gaza that is degrading their population ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007 \ % E2 \ % 80 \ % 932010 \ _blockade \ _of \ _the \ _Gaza \ _Strip ) , it 's true that you do n't let the Palestinian authority sell the vast natural gas reserves they have in their shore line ( http : //www.globalresearch.ca/index.php ? context = va&amp;aid = 11680 ) , it 's true that when Israel was formed you committed genocide in several Arab villages during the night ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya \ _massacre ) .
Anyway.Most of Europeans are anti-war , either cause we are apathetic or simply because we do n't believe in it .
And we are not accepting a country between us that has the attitude Israel has .
For instance , just some days ago you used your ambassadors in France and UK to forge some passports in order for you to go in Dubai and kill some Hamas leader ( http : //www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/7294046/Dubai-assassination-eight-British-passports-used-in-Hamas-killing.html ) ... that shows very well the kind of lack of respect you have.Also , that is one of the main reasons putting Turkey aside from entering the EU .
The problem with Kurdistan is all but controlled ... and I do n't mean controlled by force , I mean controlled by diplomacy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I don't really know if Israeli's, would like to join EU.
Sincerely, I don't believe it and I think they have much more in common with the united states (including the $3 billion per year military aid USA gives them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel\_\%E2\%80\%93\_United\_States\_military\_relations#Military\_aid [wikipedia.org]).
What I do know is that except for Berlusconi (and well, if you lived in EU, you would really know that when we talk about Berlusconi it actually means that not only we don't believe a word the guy says, but also that we don't really care about any opinion he might express or not), it would be quite hard to find someone here, both from the populace or from the political leaders that wants Israel in here.EU is based in a sense of stability and respect for the neighbors that Israel simply doesn't have.
I don't want to discuss their motives, cause I know that there are some very educated people here that are clearly pro Israel and can always twist anti-Israel opinions by giving some case in which is not true ... but the truth is that most of the times it's true.
It's true that you treat the non Israeli population like garbage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisjordania#Annexation), it's true that you are constantly stealing property in Cisjordania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisjordania#Settlements\_and\_international\_law), it's true that you impose a blockade to Gaza that is degrading their population (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007\%E2\%80\%932010\_blockade\_of\_the\_Gaza\_Strip), it's true that you don't let the Palestinian authority sell the vast natural gas reserves they have in their shore line (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=11680), it's true that when Israel was formed you committed genocide in several Arab villages during the night (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya\_massacre).
Anyway.Most of Europeans are anti-war, either cause we are apathetic or simply because we don't believe in it.
And we are not accepting a country between us that has the attitude Israel has.
For instance, just some days ago you used your ambassadors in France and UK to forge some passports in order for you to go in Dubai and kill some Hamas leader (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/7294046/Dubai-assassination-eight-British-passports-used-in-Hamas-killing.html) ... that shows very well the kind of lack of respect you have.Also, that is one of the main reasons putting Turkey aside from entering the EU.
The problem with Kurdistan is all but controlled ... and I don't mean controlled by force, I mean controlled by diplomacy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645340</id>
	<title>Hardly narrows it down</title>
	<author>Guido del Confuso</author>
	<datestamp>1269714600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Israeli Supreme Court ruled this week that there is no civil procedure to reveal the identity of users behind an IP address, and that until such procedure shall be legislated, all internet postings, even <b>torturous</b>, may remain anonymous.</p></div><p>The occasional posting may well be tortuous, but the vast majority of postings on the Internet are torturous.  Check out MySpace and Facebook to see what I mean.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The Israeli Supreme Court ruled this week that there is no civil procedure to reveal the identity of users behind an IP address , and that until such procedure shall be legislated , all internet postings , even torturous , may remain anonymous.The occasional posting may well be tortuous , but the vast majority of postings on the Internet are torturous .
Check out MySpace and Facebook to see what I mean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Israeli Supreme Court ruled this week that there is no civil procedure to reveal the identity of users behind an IP address, and that until such procedure shall be legislated, all internet postings, even torturous, may remain anonymous.The occasional posting may well be tortuous, but the vast majority of postings on the Internet are torturous.
Check out MySpace and Facebook to see what I mean.
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	<title>Re:Hardly narrows it down</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269718980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But how many posts are about tortoises?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But how many posts are about tortoises ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But how many posts are about tortoises?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646198</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>ido50</author>
	<datestamp>1269774000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Israel is one of the most right wing western countries? I've been living here all my life and I never knew that. Thanks for opening my eyes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Israel is one of the most right wing western countries ?
I 've been living here all my life and I never knew that .
Thanks for opening my eyes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Israel is one of the most right wing western countries?
I've been living here all my life and I never knew that.
Thanks for opening my eyes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645420</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1269715320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Israel, one of the most right wing western countries has explicitly approved internet privacy, while France, one of the most left wing western countries, is actively trying to put the internet genies back in the bottle.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Actually, I don't see anything in your link about the French making a blanket ruling against Internet anonymity.  The French law gives the govt the power to deem websites illegal and block them, and to wiretap computers with the equivalent of a warrant, even by using a trojan.  Those might be bad things, but they're not incompatible with the Israeli ruling anyways.
</p><p>
Despite the ruling, if you think Israel isn't trying to track down Muslim extremists trying to conceal their identities on pro-terrorism websites, well, I'm skeptical.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Israel , one of the most right wing western countries has explicitly approved internet privacy , while France , one of the most left wing western countries , is actively trying to put the internet genies back in the bottle .
Actually , I do n't see anything in your link about the French making a blanket ruling against Internet anonymity .
The French law gives the govt the power to deem websites illegal and block them , and to wiretap computers with the equivalent of a warrant , even by using a trojan .
Those might be bad things , but they 're not incompatible with the Israeli ruling anyways .
Despite the ruling , if you think Israel is n't trying to track down Muslim extremists trying to conceal their identities on pro-terrorism websites , well , I 'm skeptical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Israel, one of the most right wing western countries has explicitly approved internet privacy, while France, one of the most left wing western countries, is actively trying to put the internet genies back in the bottle.
Actually, I don't see anything in your link about the French making a blanket ruling against Internet anonymity.
The French law gives the govt the power to deem websites illegal and block them, and to wiretap computers with the equivalent of a warrant, even by using a trojan.
Those might be bad things, but they're not incompatible with the Israeli ruling anyways.
Despite the ruling, if you think Israel isn't trying to track down Muslim extremists trying to conceal their identities on pro-terrorism websites, well, I'm skeptical.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646412</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1269778920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget that here in the US, your anonymity is under constant attack, and paramilitary organizations have already demonstrated an absolute willingness to abuse their powers to snoop on your whereabouts and activities.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe my political analysis toolset needs to move out of the 20th century....</p></div><p>Sometimes I feel like I need to move to another country. The problem is that there's nowhere left to go...</p></div>
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<tokenext>Do n't forget that here in the US , your anonymity is under constant attack , and paramilitary organizations have already demonstrated an absolute willingness to abuse their powers to snoop on your whereabouts and activities.Maybe my political analysis toolset needs to move out of the 20th century....Sometimes I feel like I need to move to another country .
The problem is that there 's nowhere left to go.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget that here in the US, your anonymity is under constant attack, and paramilitary organizations have already demonstrated an absolute willingness to abuse their powers to snoop on your whereabouts and activities.Maybe my political analysis toolset needs to move out of the 20th century....Sometimes I feel like I need to move to another country.
The problem is that there's nowhere left to go...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31647056</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269789660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>our Nazi parties (which, in fact, tend to be left-authoritarian, remember, national *socialist*, but nobody wants to hear that).</p></div></blockquote><p>By that logic, North Korea is a democracy.</p></div>
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<tokenext>our Nazi parties ( which , in fact , tend to be left-authoritarian , remember , national * socialist * , but nobody wants to hear that ) .By that logic , North Korea is a democracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>our Nazi parties (which, in fact, tend to be left-authoritarian, remember, national *socialist*, but nobody wants to hear that).By that logic, North Korea is a democracy.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31648054</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>moortak</author>
	<datestamp>1269797640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, national socialist, who rounded up communists and trade union members.  Maybe, and this is a wild idea,  it was an organization that appropriated ideas and symbols from both the left and right to have a broad enough appeal to gain power.  Names and stated intents mean very little in politics.  Actions define everything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , national socialist , who rounded up communists and trade union members .
Maybe , and this is a wild idea , it was an organization that appropriated ideas and symbols from both the left and right to have a broad enough appeal to gain power .
Names and stated intents mean very little in politics .
Actions define everything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, national socialist, who rounded up communists and trade union members.
Maybe, and this is a wild idea,  it was an organization that appropriated ideas and symbols from both the left and right to have a broad enough appeal to gain power.
Names and stated intents mean very little in politics.
Actions define everything.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645892</id>
	<title>Re:Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union</title>
	<author>matunos</author>
	<datestamp>1269767100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If only they could find a way to avoid treating a significant portion of their population like a leper colony...</htmltext>
<tokenext>If only they could find a way to avoid treating a significant portion of their population like a leper colony.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only they could find a way to avoid treating a significant portion of their population like a leper colony...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645514</id>
	<title>Re:Even for torts?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269717060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is there a good argument to cover even tortuous actions under this? I'm for a free Internet, but defamation on the Internet is still defamation (for example).</p></div><p>The problem is that the defamation (or whatever) hasn't been proven yet. If all it takes to unmask your critics is to make a baseless allegation and then drop the lawsuit after you get the name, how is that going to provide any meaningful protection for whistle blowers etc.?</p><p>The whole problem with the Internet is that you can determine, at least, who pays for the internet connection that something is posted under. In meatspace you can post a handbill anonymously on a public bulletin board and after the fact no one has any means to determine who posted it. We need an Internet where the same thing is possible.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Is there a good argument to cover even tortuous actions under this ?
I 'm for a free Internet , but defamation on the Internet is still defamation ( for example ) .The problem is that the defamation ( or whatever ) has n't been proven yet .
If all it takes to unmask your critics is to make a baseless allegation and then drop the lawsuit after you get the name , how is that going to provide any meaningful protection for whistle blowers etc .
? The whole problem with the Internet is that you can determine , at least , who pays for the internet connection that something is posted under .
In meatspace you can post a handbill anonymously on a public bulletin board and after the fact no one has any means to determine who posted it .
We need an Internet where the same thing is possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there a good argument to cover even tortuous actions under this?
I'm for a free Internet, but defamation on the Internet is still defamation (for example).The problem is that the defamation (or whatever) hasn't been proven yet.
If all it takes to unmask your critics is to make a baseless allegation and then drop the lawsuit after you get the name, how is that going to provide any meaningful protection for whistle blowers etc.
?The whole problem with the Internet is that you can determine, at least, who pays for the internet connection that something is posted under.
In meatspace you can post a handbill anonymously on a public bulletin board and after the fact no one has any means to determine who posted it.
We need an Internet where the same thing is possible.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31650652</id>
	<title>Re:Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union</title>
	<author>belmolis</author>
	<datestamp>1269773220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
In spite of the loud posturing of the Dubai authorities, no evidence whatever has been produced that al-Mabhouh was assassinated by Israel. Israel is certainly a likely candidate, but other Arab factions might equally well be responsible. In any case, if Israel did assassinate him, it was morally perfectly justifiable. He was a leader of a criminal organization, one that by its own admission engages in daily war crimes, whose stated purpose is genocide. He was known to have participated in acts of war against Israel including war crimes. He was a criminal and a combatant whose assassination was morally no less justifiable than Allied attempts to assassinate senior Nazis.
There was no chance that Dubai would arrest him and extradite him. Whoever assassinated him deserves our thanks.
If his assassination outrages Europeans, what that reflects is the lack of respect that Europeans have for fundamental human rights and international law when it comes to Jews.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In spite of the loud posturing of the Dubai authorities , no evidence whatever has been produced that al-Mabhouh was assassinated by Israel .
Israel is certainly a likely candidate , but other Arab factions might equally well be responsible .
In any case , if Israel did assassinate him , it was morally perfectly justifiable .
He was a leader of a criminal organization , one that by its own admission engages in daily war crimes , whose stated purpose is genocide .
He was known to have participated in acts of war against Israel including war crimes .
He was a criminal and a combatant whose assassination was morally no less justifiable than Allied attempts to assassinate senior Nazis .
There was no chance that Dubai would arrest him and extradite him .
Whoever assassinated him deserves our thanks .
If his assassination outrages Europeans , what that reflects is the lack of respect that Europeans have for fundamental human rights and international law when it comes to Jews .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
In spite of the loud posturing of the Dubai authorities, no evidence whatever has been produced that al-Mabhouh was assassinated by Israel.
Israel is certainly a likely candidate, but other Arab factions might equally well be responsible.
In any case, if Israel did assassinate him, it was morally perfectly justifiable.
He was a leader of a criminal organization, one that by its own admission engages in daily war crimes, whose stated purpose is genocide.
He was known to have participated in acts of war against Israel including war crimes.
He was a criminal and a combatant whose assassination was morally no less justifiable than Allied attempts to assassinate senior Nazis.
There was no chance that Dubai would arrest him and extradite him.
Whoever assassinated him deserves our thanks.
If his assassination outrages Europeans, what that reflects is the lack of respect that Europeans have for fundamental human rights and international law when it comes to Jews.
</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645284</id>
	<title>Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269714000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok. Let me get this straight. Israel, one of the most right wing western countries has explicitly approved internet privacy, while France, one of the most left wing western countries, <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,678508,00.html" title="spiegel.de">is actively trying to put the internet genies back in the bottle</a> [spiegel.de].</p><p>Maybe my political analysis toolset needs to move out of the 20th century....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok. Let me get this straight .
Israel , one of the most right wing western countries has explicitly approved internet privacy , while France , one of the most left wing western countries , is actively trying to put the internet genies back in the bottle [ spiegel.de ] .Maybe my political analysis toolset needs to move out of the 20th century... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok. Let me get this straight.
Israel, one of the most right wing western countries has explicitly approved internet privacy, while France, one of the most left wing western countries, is actively trying to put the internet genies back in the bottle [spiegel.de].Maybe my political analysis toolset needs to move out of the 20th century....</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269778440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>What's described as "right wing" in Europe usually means "left-leaning centrist" or even "moderate left". Actual right wing politicians (Geert Wilders, Thatcher, US Neocons, Libertarians) are usually described as "fascist" and thrown in together with our Nazi parties (which, in fact, tend to be left-authoritarian, remember, national *socialist*, but nobody wants to hear that).</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's described as " right wing " in Europe usually means " left-leaning centrist " or even " moderate left " .
Actual right wing politicians ( Geert Wilders , Thatcher , US Neocons , Libertarians ) are usually described as " fascist " and thrown in together with our Nazi parties ( which , in fact , tend to be left-authoritarian , remember , national * socialist * , but nobody wants to hear that ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's described as "right wing" in Europe usually means "left-leaning centrist" or even "moderate left".
Actual right wing politicians (Geert Wilders, Thatcher, US Neocons, Libertarians) are usually described as "fascist" and thrown in together with our Nazi parties (which, in fact, tend to be left-authoritarian, remember, national *socialist*, but nobody wants to hear that).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31648122</id>
	<title>Re:Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269798120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Israelis, yet again, demonstrate that their nation is part of the West.  Israel is a Western democracy that safeguards civil rights and, in general, human rights.  <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/11/international/middleeast/11sultan.html" title="nytimes.com" rel="nofollow">Wafa Sultan</a> [nytimes.com], a prominent American of Syrian ancestry, correctly and firmly praises the achievements of the Israelis.</p><p>Israel, not Turkey, deserves to be a member of the European Union (EU).</p><p>The Turks have long attacked human rights.  In Turkey, suppressing free speech on and off the Internet is almost <a href="http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no\_cache=1&amp;tx\_ttnews\%5Btt\_news\%5D=33735" title="jamestown.org" rel="nofollow">a national sport</a> [jamestown.org].  You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/05/armenia-deportations-first-world-war-turkey" title="guardian.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Armenian genocide</a> [guardian.co.uk].</p><p>After a Congressional committee approved a resolution ascribing responsibility for the genocide to the Turks, the Turks withdrew their ambassador from the USA.</p><p>This sort of behavior is not what we Westerners want to see in the European Union.  The Israelis act more like Europeans than the Turks and deserve EU membership far more than the Turks.</p></div><p>ah ?!</p><p>Israel is a racist country which violets human rights and international law.<br>Our army top officers ordered solders to ignore our Bagats (which is the highest authority in our court system.) orders and to ignore the law.</p><p>As one that live in Israel I can say FUCK NO, my country doesn't deserve to even be called a democracy, my friends has been arrested for saying stuff like what I write to Israelis.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The Israelis , yet again , demonstrate that their nation is part of the West .
Israel is a Western democracy that safeguards civil rights and , in general , human rights .
Wafa Sultan [ nytimes.com ] , a prominent American of Syrian ancestry , correctly and firmly praises the achievements of the Israelis.Israel , not Turkey , deserves to be a member of the European Union ( EU ) .The Turks have long attacked human rights .
In Turkey , suppressing free speech on and off the Internet is almost a national sport [ jamestown.org ] .
You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the Armenian genocide [ guardian.co.uk ] .After a Congressional committee approved a resolution ascribing responsibility for the genocide to the Turks , the Turks withdrew their ambassador from the USA.This sort of behavior is not what we Westerners want to see in the European Union .
The Israelis act more like Europeans than the Turks and deserve EU membership far more than the Turks.ah ?
! Israel is a racist country which violets human rights and international law.Our army top officers ordered solders to ignore our Bagats ( which is the highest authority in our court system .
) orders and to ignore the law.As one that live in Israel I can say FUCK NO , my country does n't deserve to even be called a democracy , my friends has been arrested for saying stuff like what I write to Israelis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Israelis, yet again, demonstrate that their nation is part of the West.
Israel is a Western democracy that safeguards civil rights and, in general, human rights.
Wafa Sultan [nytimes.com], a prominent American of Syrian ancestry, correctly and firmly praises the achievements of the Israelis.Israel, not Turkey, deserves to be a member of the European Union (EU).The Turks have long attacked human rights.
In Turkey, suppressing free speech on and off the Internet is almost a national sport [jamestown.org].
You can be arrested and imprisoned for claiming that the Turks are responsible for the Armenian genocide [guardian.co.uk].After a Congressional committee approved a resolution ascribing responsibility for the genocide to the Turks, the Turks withdrew their ambassador from the USA.This sort of behavior is not what we Westerners want to see in the European Union.
The Israelis act more like Europeans than the Turks and deserve EU membership far more than the Turks.ah ?
!Israel is a racist country which violets human rights and international law.Our army top officers ordered solders to ignore our Bagats (which is the highest authority in our court system.
) orders and to ignore the law.As one that live in Israel I can say FUCK NO, my country doesn't deserve to even be called a democracy, my friends has been arrested for saying stuff like what I write to Israelis.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31645546</id>
	<title>Re:Topsy Turvy World We Live In</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1269717780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Politicians make poor Judges and vice versa.  So long as the seperation of powers is preserved it works out quite well and you can have complete fruitcakes in charge without it hurting too much.<br>Israel may just happen to have a bunch of Fascists that would make their grandparents roll in their graves in horror running it at the moment but it's the only place in that part of the world where the rule of law is repected at all.  In other places it's simply "might makes right".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Politicians make poor Judges and vice versa .
So long as the seperation of powers is preserved it works out quite well and you can have complete fruitcakes in charge without it hurting too much.Israel may just happen to have a bunch of Fascists that would make their grandparents roll in their graves in horror running it at the moment but it 's the only place in that part of the world where the rule of law is repected at all .
In other places it 's simply " might makes right " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Politicians make poor Judges and vice versa.
So long as the seperation of powers is preserved it works out quite well and you can have complete fruitcakes in charge without it hurting too much.Israel may just happen to have a bunch of Fascists that would make their grandparents roll in their graves in horror running it at the moment but it's the only place in that part of the world where the rule of law is repected at all.
In other places it's simply "might makes right".</sentencetext>
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	<title>This is the normal case, world-wide</title>
	<author>davecb</author>
	<datestamp>1269788340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's <b>prior to</b> a legal action being commenced that's unusual. One files suit, and if it is not thrown out as frivolous, one then gets a court order requiring the owner of the IP address to be identified.
That's not new: in fact, it's the normal process world-wide.

<p>Getting an order before a suit is filed is extraordinary and requires a commitment to the court to commence an action.

</p><p>In York University v. Bell Canada Enterprises and Rogers Communications. York University successfully applied for a "Norwich Order", after committing to file suit.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>[2009] O.J. No. 3689 (Courtesy of Lexis Nexis QuickLaw)
</p><p>
Application by York University for a Norwich order. The purpose of the order was to require the respondents Bell Canada Enterprises and Rogers Communications Inc. to disclose information necessary to obtain the identity of the anonymous author of allegedly defamatory e-mails and a web site posting. The information was necessary for York to identify the proper defendants in an action for libel and it would only be used for this limited purpose. [...]
</p><p>
HELD: Application allowed. York established a prima facie case of defamation and the claim appeared to be reasonable and was made in good faith. [...] The disclosure of the information was for the limited purpose of enabling York to commence litigation, if so advised.</p></div><p>--dave</p></div>
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<tokenext>It 's prior to a legal action being commenced that 's unusual .
One files suit , and if it is not thrown out as frivolous , one then gets a court order requiring the owner of the IP address to be identified .
That 's not new : in fact , it 's the normal process world-wide .
Getting an order before a suit is filed is extraordinary and requires a commitment to the court to commence an action .
In York University v. Bell Canada Enterprises and Rogers Communications .
York University successfully applied for a " Norwich Order " , after committing to file suit .
[ 2009 ] O.J .
No. 3689 ( Courtesy of Lexis Nexis QuickLaw ) Application by York University for a Norwich order .
The purpose of the order was to require the respondents Bell Canada Enterprises and Rogers Communications Inc. to disclose information necessary to obtain the identity of the anonymous author of allegedly defamatory e-mails and a web site posting .
The information was necessary for York to identify the proper defendants in an action for libel and it would only be used for this limited purpose .
[ ... ] HELD : Application allowed .
York established a prima facie case of defamation and the claim appeared to be reasonable and was made in good faith .
[ ... ] The disclosure of the information was for the limited purpose of enabling York to commence litigation , if so advised.--dave</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's prior to a legal action being commenced that's unusual.
One files suit, and if it is not thrown out as frivolous, one then gets a court order requiring the owner of the IP address to be identified.
That's not new: in fact, it's the normal process world-wide.
Getting an order before a suit is filed is extraordinary and requires a commitment to the court to commence an action.
In York University v. Bell Canada Enterprises and Rogers Communications.
York University successfully applied for a "Norwich Order", after committing to file suit.
[2009] O.J.
No. 3689 (Courtesy of Lexis Nexis QuickLaw)

Application by York University for a Norwich order.
The purpose of the order was to require the respondents Bell Canada Enterprises and Rogers Communications Inc. to disclose information necessary to obtain the identity of the anonymous author of allegedly defamatory e-mails and a web site posting.
The information was necessary for York to identify the proper defendants in an action for libel and it would only be used for this limited purpose.
[...]

HELD: Application allowed.
York established a prima facie case of defamation and the claim appeared to be reasonable and was made in good faith.
[...] The disclosure of the information was for the limited purpose of enabling York to commence litigation, if so advised.--dave
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646736</id>
	<title>Re:Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union</title>
	<author>K. S. Kyosuke</author>
	<datestamp>1269785280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Which makes a little bit more sense, even if it's just a last-ditch effort against human stupidity (i.e., those people disregarding all the evidence). By the same token, Turkey could have have a law against people saying that the Armenian genocide didn't happen. (OK, that's just a pipe dream.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:))</htmltext>
<tokenext>Which makes a little bit more sense , even if it 's just a last-ditch effort against human stupidity ( i.e. , those people disregarding all the evidence ) .
By the same token , Turkey could have have a law against people saying that the Armenian genocide did n't happen .
( OK , that 's just a pipe dream .
: ) )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which makes a little bit more sense, even if it's just a last-ditch effort against human stupidity (i.e., those people disregarding all the evidence).
By the same token, Turkey could have have a law against people saying that the Armenian genocide didn't happen.
(OK, that's just a pipe dream.
:))</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_28_0455227.31646772</id>
	<title>Re:Israel, not Turkey, deserves the European Union</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269785940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And that was a party political broadcast for the Zionist Party.</p><p>Get a grip.  The occasional token nod to civility does not mean Israel (as a government and the people who support the actions of that government) are civilised or should be considered for inclusion in the EU.  Israel should not be considered a potential EU member until they remove all their illegal settlements and physical barrier around their stolen land.  If a country ever needed regime change, it's Israel.  Why are we not invading to stop their ever-increasing encroachment beyond their assigned borders?  Sanctions should be the initial action, of course, but I suspect the Israeli government are far too prideful to admit wrongdoing.  He who wishes peace must prepare for war.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And that was a party political broadcast for the Zionist Party.Get a grip .
The occasional token nod to civility does not mean Israel ( as a government and the people who support the actions of that government ) are civilised or should be considered for inclusion in the EU .
Israel should not be considered a potential EU member until they remove all their illegal settlements and physical barrier around their stolen land .
If a country ever needed regime change , it 's Israel .
Why are we not invading to stop their ever-increasing encroachment beyond their assigned borders ?
Sanctions should be the initial action , of course , but I suspect the Israeli government are far too prideful to admit wrongdoing .
He who wishes peace must prepare for war .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that was a party political broadcast for the Zionist Party.Get a grip.
The occasional token nod to civility does not mean Israel (as a government and the people who support the actions of that government) are civilised or should be considered for inclusion in the EU.
Israel should not be considered a potential EU member until they remove all their illegal settlements and physical barrier around their stolen land.
If a country ever needed regime change, it's Israel.
Why are we not invading to stop their ever-increasing encroachment beyond their assigned borders?
Sanctions should be the initial action, of course, but I suspect the Israeli government are far too prideful to admit wrongdoing.
He who wishes peace must prepare for war.</sentencetext>
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