<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_27_0139255</id>
	<title>SoftMaker Office 2010 For Linux Nearing Release</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269700860000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.softmaker.com/" rel="nofollow">martin-k</a> writes <i>"SoftMaker Office is a Microsoft-compatible office suite that competes with OpenOffice.org. Its creator, German software publisher <a href="http://www.softmaker.com/">SoftMaker</a>, is nearing completion of the latest release, <a href="http://www.softmaker.com/english/ofl\_en.htm">SoftMaker Office 2010 for Linux</a>. This new release offers document tabs, high-quality filters for the Microsoft Office 2007 file formats DOCX and XLSX, and presentation-quality charts in the spreadsheet. It also brings integration into KDE and Gnome, using the system's colors and fonts. A release candidate is available as a free download."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>martin-k writes " SoftMaker Office is a Microsoft-compatible office suite that competes with OpenOffice.org .
Its creator , German software publisher SoftMaker , is nearing completion of the latest release , SoftMaker Office 2010 for Linux .
This new release offers document tabs , high-quality filters for the Microsoft Office 2007 file formats DOCX and XLSX , and presentation-quality charts in the spreadsheet .
It also brings integration into KDE and Gnome , using the system 's colors and fonts .
A release candidate is available as a free download .
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<sentencetext>martin-k writes "SoftMaker Office is a Microsoft-compatible office suite that competes with OpenOffice.org.
Its creator, German software publisher SoftMaker, is nearing completion of the latest release, SoftMaker Office 2010 for Linux.
This new release offers document tabs, high-quality filters for the Microsoft Office 2007 file formats DOCX and XLSX, and presentation-quality charts in the spreadsheet.
It also brings integration into KDE and Gnome, using the system's colors and fonts.
A release candidate is available as a free download.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636184</id>
	<title>Paying for OO.o</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269619680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So essentially it's Open Office, except with only 3 programs (word processor, spreadsheet, presentation) and they want 70 euros for it?  I'm sorry, but I fail to see why anyone would pay 70 euros (10 I could possibly see) when you can get Open Office for free.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So essentially it 's Open Office , except with only 3 programs ( word processor , spreadsheet , presentation ) and they want 70 euros for it ?
I 'm sorry , but I fail to see why anyone would pay 70 euros ( 10 I could possibly see ) when you can get Open Office for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So essentially it's Open Office, except with only 3 programs (word processor, spreadsheet, presentation) and they want 70 euros for it?
I'm sorry, but I fail to see why anyone would pay 70 euros (10 I could possibly see) when you can get Open Office for free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31640948</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>centuren</author>
	<datestamp>1269715080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Let's see:</p><p>1) It lacks vector drawing (Draw)<br>2) It lacks database (Base)<br>3) It is closed source<br>4) Although it supports Linux, it seems to not support MacOS<br>5) It costs a lot more than OpenOffice</p><p>Sorry, it is hard to get all that excited.</p></div><p>It seems like they're suffering from being closed source. At least, I see no reason why they would brag on their feature list about having spelling dictionaries for 20 languages; isn't that something aspell or another open source equivalent would immediately improve? Are they writing their own to keep GPL'd code out completely?</p><p>It <em>may</em> have better MS Office compatibility, and if that's a major need for someone who doesn't want to mess about with MS Office and Wine, they should try it while it's free. Aside from that, I couldn't really find anything in the feature list that didn't seem to belong under the single theme "default word processor features" (it read and writes files using ASCII formatting!). Something about image manipulation, I suppose, but I'd rather keep that separated, just as I'd rather not have a word processor inside my image editor.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Let 's see : 1 ) It lacks vector drawing ( Draw ) 2 ) It lacks database ( Base ) 3 ) It is closed source4 ) Although it supports Linux , it seems to not support MacOS5 ) It costs a lot more than OpenOfficeSorry , it is hard to get all that excited.It seems like they 're suffering from being closed source .
At least , I see no reason why they would brag on their feature list about having spelling dictionaries for 20 languages ; is n't that something aspell or another open source equivalent would immediately improve ?
Are they writing their own to keep GPL 'd code out completely ? It may have better MS Office compatibility , and if that 's a major need for someone who does n't want to mess about with MS Office and Wine , they should try it while it 's free .
Aside from that , I could n't really find anything in the feature list that did n't seem to belong under the single theme " default word processor features " ( it read and writes files using ASCII formatting ! ) .
Something about image manipulation , I suppose , but I 'd rather keep that separated , just as I 'd rather not have a word processor inside my image editor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see:1) It lacks vector drawing (Draw)2) It lacks database (Base)3) It is closed source4) Although it supports Linux, it seems to not support MacOS5) It costs a lot more than OpenOfficeSorry, it is hard to get all that excited.It seems like they're suffering from being closed source.
At least, I see no reason why they would brag on their feature list about having spelling dictionaries for 20 languages; isn't that something aspell or another open source equivalent would immediately improve?
Are they writing their own to keep GPL'd code out completely?It may have better MS Office compatibility, and if that's a major need for someone who doesn't want to mess about with MS Office and Wine, they should try it while it's free.
Aside from that, I couldn't really find anything in the feature list that didn't seem to belong under the single theme "default word processor features" (it read and writes files using ASCII formatting!).
Something about image manipulation, I suppose, but I'd rather keep that separated, just as I'd rather not have a word processor inside my image editor.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31637810</id>
	<title>Re:And drop the "register to download" stuff</title>
	<author>symbolic</author>
	<datestamp>1269683400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...If I have to register to check out anything that I may find interesting or useful, it's a complete non-starter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...If I have to register to check out anything that I may find interesting or useful , it 's a complete non-starter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...If I have to register to check out anything that I may find interesting or useful, it's a complete non-starter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31641546</id>
	<title>Re:Objective comparison with OO.o</title>
	<author>centuren</author>
	<datestamp>1269719160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Thank you for the interesting and informative comparison.</p><p>The only flaw I see it in is fonts.  If you don't have the font loaded on the target machine, it doesn't matter what software you use, it will not render/load it, because it doesn't exist.  Almost no "office" program embeds fonts.  So that cannot be a valid factor when comparing compatibility.</p><p>If you have an MS-Windows machine running MS-Office and create a document with a specific font, then try to load that document on an IDENTICAL machine in the IDENTICAL software that lacks the font, you won't see that font- it will have to substitute some other font.</p></div><p>I believe that was known, and the primary reason for using such a font in the test. It let us see how the two programs compared when it comes to handling a font that doesn't exist on the machine, and see if it substitutes correctly and keeps any formatting, or does something unexpected and buggy.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Thank you for the interesting and informative comparison.The only flaw I see it in is fonts .
If you do n't have the font loaded on the target machine , it does n't matter what software you use , it will not render/load it , because it does n't exist .
Almost no " office " program embeds fonts .
So that can not be a valid factor when comparing compatibility.If you have an MS-Windows machine running MS-Office and create a document with a specific font , then try to load that document on an IDENTICAL machine in the IDENTICAL software that lacks the font , you wo n't see that font- it will have to substitute some other font.I believe that was known , and the primary reason for using such a font in the test .
It let us see how the two programs compared when it comes to handling a font that does n't exist on the machine , and see if it substitutes correctly and keeps any formatting , or does something unexpected and buggy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for the interesting and informative comparison.The only flaw I see it in is fonts.
If you don't have the font loaded on the target machine, it doesn't matter what software you use, it will not render/load it, because it doesn't exist.
Almost no "office" program embeds fonts.
So that cannot be a valid factor when comparing compatibility.If you have an MS-Windows machine running MS-Office and create a document with a specific font, then try to load that document on an IDENTICAL machine in the IDENTICAL software that lacks the font, you won't see that font- it will have to substitute some other font.I believe that was known, and the primary reason for using such a font in the test.
It let us see how the two programs compared when it comes to handling a font that doesn't exist on the machine, and see if it substitutes correctly and keeps any formatting, or does something unexpected and buggy.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31641764</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269720600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is OOo really so heavy that you need to pay for a lightweight office suite?  I don't really have much use for office software, so I'm not the best judge, but OOo only takes 10s to open on my netbook on first-run which is quite tolerable, it seems a bit heavy on the RAM, but RAM is cheap, so if OOo is too heavy for your hardware it seems like a better investment to put the money towards a hardware upgrade rather than lightweight software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is OOo really so heavy that you need to pay for a lightweight office suite ?
I do n't really have much use for office software , so I 'm not the best judge , but OOo only takes 10s to open on my netbook on first-run which is quite tolerable , it seems a bit heavy on the RAM , but RAM is cheap , so if OOo is too heavy for your hardware it seems like a better investment to put the money towards a hardware upgrade rather than lightweight software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is OOo really so heavy that you need to pay for a lightweight office suite?
I don't really have much use for office software, so I'm not the best judge, but OOo only takes 10s to open on my netbook on first-run which is quite tolerable, it seems a bit heavy on the RAM, but RAM is cheap, so if OOo is too heavy for your hardware it seems like a better investment to put the money towards a hardware upgrade rather than lightweight software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31637966</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>aussie\_a</author>
	<datestamp>1269686760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have yet to notice any problems importing MS files to OO so that's hard to see.</p> </div><p>Formatting. When you're sending out resumes businesses expect it to be in Microsoft Office (I don't know, PDF seems better to me) and so if you've got poor formatting then it reflects poorly on you for your employer. If they're getting dozens if not hundreds of job applications, poor formatting is enough to get your resume dismissed straight out the door.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have yet to notice any problems importing MS files to OO so that 's hard to see .
Formatting. When you 're sending out resumes businesses expect it to be in Microsoft Office ( I do n't know , PDF seems better to me ) and so if you 've got poor formatting then it reflects poorly on you for your employer .
If they 're getting dozens if not hundreds of job applications , poor formatting is enough to get your resume dismissed straight out the door .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have yet to notice any problems importing MS files to OO so that's hard to see.
Formatting. When you're sending out resumes businesses expect it to be in Microsoft Office (I don't know, PDF seems better to me) and so if you've got poor formatting then it reflects poorly on you for your employer.
If they're getting dozens if not hundreds of job applications, poor formatting is enough to get your resume dismissed straight out the door.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636190</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1269619740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe because it's an ad for a product that's actually useful to the point where it has no real competitors? It has noticeably better MSOffice compatibility than OO.org, and it's much more lightweight, as well. I suspect it would be something that quite a few Linux users could use - so long as they aren't morally opposed to shelling out $50 (or whatever it is these days) for software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe because it 's an ad for a product that 's actually useful to the point where it has no real competitors ?
It has noticeably better MSOffice compatibility than OO.org , and it 's much more lightweight , as well .
I suspect it would be something that quite a few Linux users could use - so long as they are n't morally opposed to shelling out $ 50 ( or whatever it is these days ) for software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe because it's an ad for a product that's actually useful to the point where it has no real competitors?
It has noticeably better MSOffice compatibility than OO.org, and it's much more lightweight, as well.
I suspect it would be something that quite a few Linux users could use - so long as they aren't morally opposed to shelling out $50 (or whatever it is these days) for software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31639634</id>
	<title>What SoftMaker is *really* for ...</title>
	<author>charlie</author>
	<datestamp>1269706620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've used it on and off for about eight years now.
<p>
SoftMaker office isn't really a decent replacement for OO.o on Linux. But there is <b>one</b> place where it's indispensible -- if you have a WinCE or Windows Mobile PDA/smartphone, it's <em>miles</em> better than the Pocket version of Microsoft Office. It actually makes my old HP iPaq 214 useful for writing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used it on and off for about eight years now .
SoftMaker office is n't really a decent replacement for OO.o on Linux .
But there is one place where it 's indispensible -- if you have a WinCE or Windows Mobile PDA/smartphone , it 's miles better than the Pocket version of Microsoft Office .
It actually makes my old HP iPaq 214 useful for writing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used it on and off for about eight years now.
SoftMaker office isn't really a decent replacement for OO.o on Linux.
But there is one place where it's indispensible -- if you have a WinCE or Windows Mobile PDA/smartphone, it's miles better than the Pocket version of Microsoft Office.
It actually makes my old HP iPaq 214 useful for writing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636522</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269622500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's see:</p><p>1) It lacks vector drawing (Draw)<br>2) It lacks database (Base)<br>3) It is closed source<br>4) Although it supports Linux, it seems to not support MacOS<br>5) It costs a lot more than OpenOffice</p><p>Sorry, it is hard to get all that excited.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see : 1 ) It lacks vector drawing ( Draw ) 2 ) It lacks database ( Base ) 3 ) It is closed source4 ) Although it supports Linux , it seems to not support MacOS5 ) It costs a lot more than OpenOfficeSorry , it is hard to get all that excited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see:1) It lacks vector drawing (Draw)2) It lacks database (Base)3) It is closed source4) Although it supports Linux, it seems to not support MacOS5) It costs a lot more than OpenOfficeSorry, it is hard to get all that excited.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31639142</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>markdavis</author>
	<datestamp>1269701940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;so if you've got poor formatting then it reflects poorly on you for your employer.</p><p>Bingo. And 95\% of the time, the "poor formatting" is due to the person formatting the document and it has little nothing to do with file comparability.  There are a zillion ways to poorly format any document in any program (and I recently listed a dozen examples I see all the time in another posting).  And such poorly formatted documents will FALL APART when not viewed with identical software versions with identical fonts available, etc.</p><p>So yes, if you can't properly format a document, it is bought to have even poorer formatting when it is converted from one platform to another.  And if your job requires any type of word processing skills, then you certainly have just revealed something to a potential employer<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>So if you can't properly format a document, then your best bet is to supply a PDF.  Or at least a PDF IN ADDITION to the MS-Word document.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; so if you 've got poor formatting then it reflects poorly on you for your employer.Bingo .
And 95 \ % of the time , the " poor formatting " is due to the person formatting the document and it has little nothing to do with file comparability .
There are a zillion ways to poorly format any document in any program ( and I recently listed a dozen examples I see all the time in another posting ) .
And such poorly formatted documents will FALL APART when not viewed with identical software versions with identical fonts available , etc.So yes , if you ca n't properly format a document , it is bought to have even poorer formatting when it is converted from one platform to another .
And if your job requires any type of word processing skills , then you certainly have just revealed something to a potential employer : ) So if you ca n't properly format a document , then your best bet is to supply a PDF .
Or at least a PDF IN ADDITION to the MS-Word document .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;so if you've got poor formatting then it reflects poorly on you for your employer.Bingo.
And 95\% of the time, the "poor formatting" is due to the person formatting the document and it has little nothing to do with file comparability.
There are a zillion ways to poorly format any document in any program (and I recently listed a dozen examples I see all the time in another posting).
And such poorly formatted documents will FALL APART when not viewed with identical software versions with identical fonts available, etc.So yes, if you can't properly format a document, it is bought to have even poorer formatting when it is converted from one platform to another.
And if your job requires any type of word processing skills, then you certainly have just revealed something to a potential employer :)So if you can't properly format a document, then your best bet is to supply a PDF.
Or at least a PDF IN ADDITION to the MS-Word document.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31637942</id>
	<title>It's Wine, people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269686160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just installed the 64-bit deb on my Ubuntu machine and launch it just to see that it's just a Wine application.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>It also brings integration into KDE and Gnome</p></div><p>My ass. It's just the Windows version compiled with winelib and on my Ubuntu desktop it is really looking ugly. And I mean more than usual for a wine application. It's all "Windows 2000" greyish.</p><p>Look for yourself <a href="http://twitpic.com/1b8ds2" title="twitpic.com" rel="nofollow">http://twitpic.com/1b8ds2</a> [twitpic.com].</p><p>Not free, not native and really ugly. Don't bother with it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I just installed the 64-bit deb on my Ubuntu machine and launch it just to see that it 's just a Wine application.It also brings integration into KDE and GnomeMy ass .
It 's just the Windows version compiled with winelib and on my Ubuntu desktop it is really looking ugly .
And I mean more than usual for a wine application .
It 's all " Windows 2000 " greyish.Look for yourself http : //twitpic.com/1b8ds2 [ twitpic.com ] .Not free , not native and really ugly .
Do n't bother with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just installed the 64-bit deb on my Ubuntu machine and launch it just to see that it's just a Wine application.It also brings integration into KDE and GnomeMy ass.
It's just the Windows version compiled with winelib and on my Ubuntu desktop it is really looking ugly.
And I mean more than usual for a wine application.
It's all "Windows 2000" greyish.Look for yourself http://twitpic.com/1b8ds2 [twitpic.com].Not free, not native and really ugly.
Don't bother with it.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636078</id>
	<title>What's this,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269618840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Slashad?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashad ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashad?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31637768</id>
	<title>Not Free. No 64bit RPM. No Source Available.</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1269682440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given the existence of OpenOffice.org, I can't imagine how anyone could justify buying this software.  It sounds like a company or product built for the purpose of being bought out by a larger company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given the existence of OpenOffice.org , I ca n't imagine how anyone could justify buying this software .
It sounds like a company or product built for the purpose of being bought out by a larger company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given the existence of OpenOffice.org, I can't imagine how anyone could justify buying this software.
It sounds like a company or product built for the purpose of being bought out by a larger company.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31641608</id>
	<title>Re:Objective comparison with OO.o</title>
	<author>heffrey</author>
	<datestamp>1269719580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Office 2007, open from cache in less than 1 second on a crap machine!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Office 2007 , open from cache in less than 1 second on a crap machine !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Office 2007, open from cache in less than 1 second on a crap machine!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31638806</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>markdavis</author>
	<datestamp>1269698640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;The story is about Linux. What relevance does OS X have here?</p><p>The obvious comparison is to OpenOffice.  One of the *major* advantages of OpenOffice is that it runs on all platforms of modern interest- Linux, MacOS, Solaris, and MS-Windows.  You can select one application and know it will run on whatever machine you come across, use, or want to select later.  It frees you from platform lock-in.  It creates a bigger support community.  As a school, you know everyone can run it at home.  At work, you can know everyone can run it at home or at all other businesses you interact with, or even your customers.  In government, you know all citizens and businesses you interact with can run it.</p><p>It is a feature far more important than being a bit faster or having slightly better proprietary file format compatibility.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The story is about Linux .
What relevance does OS X have here ? The obvious comparison is to OpenOffice .
One of the * major * advantages of OpenOffice is that it runs on all platforms of modern interest- Linux , MacOS , Solaris , and MS-Windows .
You can select one application and know it will run on whatever machine you come across , use , or want to select later .
It frees you from platform lock-in .
It creates a bigger support community .
As a school , you know everyone can run it at home .
At work , you can know everyone can run it at home or at all other businesses you interact with , or even your customers .
In government , you know all citizens and businesses you interact with can run it.It is a feature far more important than being a bit faster or having slightly better proprietary file format compatibility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;The story is about Linux.
What relevance does OS X have here?The obvious comparison is to OpenOffice.
One of the *major* advantages of OpenOffice is that it runs on all platforms of modern interest- Linux, MacOS, Solaris, and MS-Windows.
You can select one application and know it will run on whatever machine you come across, use, or want to select later.
It frees you from platform lock-in.
It creates a bigger support community.
As a school, you know everyone can run it at home.
At work, you can know everyone can run it at home or at all other businesses you interact with, or even your customers.
In government, you know all citizens and businesses you interact with can run it.It is a feature far more important than being a bit faster or having slightly better proprietary file format compatibility.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31638014</id>
	<title>Does not integrate well with GNOME at all</title>
	<author>sammydee</author>
	<datestamp>1269687360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It almost looks like it's been compiled with winelib, the fonts and buttons resemble wine widgets. It does not integrate at all with GNOME, the fonts are horrible and the interface is clunky.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It almost looks like it 's been compiled with winelib , the fonts and buttons resemble wine widgets .
It does not integrate at all with GNOME , the fonts are horrible and the interface is clunky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It almost looks like it's been compiled with winelib, the fonts and buttons resemble wine widgets.
It does not integrate at all with GNOME, the fonts are horrible and the interface is clunky.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31637514</id>
	<title>Re:Paying for OO.o</title>
	<author>Sique</author>
	<datestamp>1269721320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, it has nothing to do with OO.org. SoftMaker is in the Office software business since the late 1980ies, when they were first publishing TextMaker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it has nothing to do with OO.org .
SoftMaker is in the Office software business since the late 1980ies , when they were first publishing TextMaker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it has nothing to do with OO.org.
SoftMaker is in the Office software business since the late 1980ies, when they were first publishing TextMaker.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31638578</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269695700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you tried opening an rtf file? At our office this was the reason for stopping migration to open office. sad but true. and checking oo's list of bugs i see that nothing has changed in a year. i wonder what happens to oo now that oracle has acquired sun. hopefully they release oo as a truly open source sw and they abandon dictatorship they are currently abusing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you tried opening an rtf file ?
At our office this was the reason for stopping migration to open office .
sad but true .
and checking oo 's list of bugs i see that nothing has changed in a year .
i wonder what happens to oo now that oracle has acquired sun .
hopefully they release oo as a truly open source sw and they abandon dictatorship they are currently abusing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you tried opening an rtf file?
At our office this was the reason for stopping migration to open office.
sad but true.
and checking oo's list of bugs i see that nothing has changed in a year.
i wonder what happens to oo now that oracle has acquired sun.
hopefully they release oo as a truly open source sw and they abandon dictatorship they are currently abusing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636474</id>
	<title>ooh!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269621960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does it work with Gnome-GlobalMenu?  Does gnome actually have a native slide show presentation app now?  What about Bespin's XBar in KDE?</p><p>I'm downloading the beta.  Can't be uglier than OpenOffice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it work with Gnome-GlobalMenu ?
Does gnome actually have a native slide show presentation app now ?
What about Bespin 's XBar in KDE ? I 'm downloading the beta .
Ca n't be uglier than OpenOffice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it work with Gnome-GlobalMenu?
Does gnome actually have a native slide show presentation app now?
What about Bespin's XBar in KDE?I'm downloading the beta.
Can't be uglier than OpenOffice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636528</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1269622560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's still not a competitor, because OOO is free. Therefore, it competes in a different market. (Much different, if it's nearly $100.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's still not a competitor , because OOO is free .
Therefore , it competes in a different market .
( Much different , if it 's nearly $ 100 .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's still not a competitor, because OOO is free.
Therefore, it competes in a different market.
(Much different, if it's nearly $100.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31638568</id>
	<title>Re:It's Wine, people.</title>
	<author>bcmm</author>
	<datestamp>1269695580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hah, I was wondering why the prominent screenshot on the <a href="http://www.softmaker.com/english/ofltm\_en.htm" title="softmaker.com">TextMaker for Linux page</a> [softmaker.com] was taken in Windows Vista.<br> <br>Also, anybody saying that using system colours counts as KDE or Gnome "integration" needs to be taken out and shot. Even OO.o is integrated better than that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hah , I was wondering why the prominent screenshot on the TextMaker for Linux page [ softmaker.com ] was taken in Windows Vista .
Also , anybody saying that using system colours counts as KDE or Gnome " integration " needs to be taken out and shot .
Even OO.o is integrated better than that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hah, I was wondering why the prominent screenshot on the TextMaker for Linux page [softmaker.com] was taken in Windows Vista.
Also, anybody saying that using system colours counts as KDE or Gnome "integration" needs to be taken out and shot.
Even OO.o is integrated better than that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636188</id>
	<title>Look at Evermore. It's got lots of potential too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269619740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.evermoresw.com/" title="evermoresw.com">This office suite</a> [evermoresw.com] has got lots of potential too. Now if only they could release a Linux version.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This office suite [ evermoresw.com ] has got lots of potential too .
Now if only they could release a Linux version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This office suite [evermoresw.com] has got lots of potential too.
Now if only they could release a Linux version.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636748</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269624480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Noticeable? Really? I have yet to notice any problems importing MS files to OO so that's hard to see.</i></p><p>Clearly you haven't tried to open a PPTX file in Impress; that import filter is barely alpha quality at best.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Noticeable ?
Really ? I have yet to notice any problems importing MS files to OO so that 's hard to see.Clearly you have n't tried to open a PPTX file in Impress ; that import filter is barely alpha quality at best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Noticeable?
Really? I have yet to notice any problems importing MS files to OO so that's hard to see.Clearly you haven't tried to open a PPTX file in Impress; that import filter is barely alpha quality at best.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31655104</id>
	<title>Re:Paying for OO.o</title>
	<author>Caetel</author>
	<datestamp>1269864120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The cheapest version of Microsoft Office (Home &amp; Student, contains Word, Excel and Powerpoint, supposedly non-commercial use only) costs ~&pound;100, and many people don't seem to have a problem paying for that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The cheapest version of Microsoft Office ( Home &amp; Student , contains Word , Excel and Powerpoint , supposedly non-commercial use only ) costs ~   100 , and many people do n't seem to have a problem paying for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The cheapest version of Microsoft Office (Home &amp; Student, contains Word, Excel and Powerpoint, supposedly non-commercial use only) costs ~£100, and many people don't seem to have a problem paying for that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31638596</id>
	<title>Logo</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1269695940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where have I seen their logo before?  It looks \_very\_ familiar...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where have I seen their logo before ?
It looks \ _very \ _ familiar.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where have I seen their logo before?
It looks \_very\_ familiar...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31635988</id>
	<title>Ach du lieber!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269618300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First post, spassmacher!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First post , spassmacher !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First post, spassmacher!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636646</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>Arker</author>
	<datestamp>1269623520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It has noticeably better MSOffice compatibility than OO.org</p></div></blockquote><p>Noticeable? Really? I have yet to notice any problems importing MS files to OO so that's hard to see. </p><blockquote><div><p>and it's much more lightweight, as well.</p></div></blockquote><p>Well that part does sound good. </p><blockquote><div><p>I suspect it would be something that quite a few Linux users could use - so long as they aren't morally opposed to shelling out $50 (or whatever it is these days) for software.</p></div></blockquote><p>I have no objection to shelling out money (it's actually closer to $100 US but no matter) for good software, however best I can tell you dont actually get any software for your money here, just a binary blob. I wont pay for that. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It has noticeably better MSOffice compatibility than OO.orgNoticeable ?
Really ? I have yet to notice any problems importing MS files to OO so that 's hard to see .
and it 's much more lightweight , as well.Well that part does sound good .
I suspect it would be something that quite a few Linux users could use - so long as they are n't morally opposed to shelling out $ 50 ( or whatever it is these days ) for software.I have no objection to shelling out money ( it 's actually closer to $ 100 US but no matter ) for good software , however best I can tell you dont actually get any software for your money here , just a binary blob .
I wont pay for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has noticeably better MSOffice compatibility than OO.orgNoticeable?
Really? I have yet to notice any problems importing MS files to OO so that's hard to see.
and it's much more lightweight, as well.Well that part does sound good.
I suspect it would be something that quite a few Linux users could use - so long as they aren't morally opposed to shelling out $50 (or whatever it is these days) for software.I have no objection to shelling out money (it's actually closer to $100 US but no matter) for good software, however best I can tell you dont actually get any software for your money here, just a binary blob.
I wont pay for that. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636272</id>
	<title>Re:Paying for OO.o</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269620340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Open Office is not bad, but it doesn't feel as polished as MS Office.  Then again, what do you expect for free, largely developed by volunteers right?  So this German company is trying to fit a niche in the middle.  The three apps they provide are the ones that people most commonly use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Open Office is not bad , but it does n't feel as polished as MS Office .
Then again , what do you expect for free , largely developed by volunteers right ?
So this German company is trying to fit a niche in the middle .
The three apps they provide are the ones that people most commonly use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open Office is not bad, but it doesn't feel as polished as MS Office.
Then again, what do you expect for free, largely developed by volunteers right?
So this German company is trying to fit a niche in the middle.
The three apps they provide are the ones that people most commonly use.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31638858</id>
	<title>Re:Objective comparison with OO.o</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269699120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except their front/home page (linked from the submissions) says it does work with docx and xlsx, specifically mentioning 2007. Not that I'm surprised there are issues on this front, in a release candidate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except their front/home page ( linked from the submissions ) says it does work with docx and xlsx , specifically mentioning 2007 .
Not that I 'm surprised there are issues on this front , in a release candidate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except their front/home page (linked from the submissions) says it does work with docx and xlsx, specifically mentioning 2007.
Not that I'm surprised there are issues on this front, in a release candidate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636626</id>
	<title>Why is this not relevant?</title>
	<author>HangingChad</author>
	<datestamp>1269623280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Holy cow, how did this not get binspammed off of the submissions?</i>

</p><p>Every corporate press release about a new product could be considered advertising, I'm not sure why this one is getting singled out.  I thought it was interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy cow , how did this not get binspammed off of the submissions ?
Every corporate press release about a new product could be considered advertising , I 'm not sure why this one is getting singled out .
I thought it was interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Holy cow, how did this not get binspammed off of the submissions?
Every corporate press release about a new product could be considered advertising, I'm not sure why this one is getting singled out.
I thought it was interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31637484</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269721020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Clearly you haven't tried to open a PPTX file in Impress; that import filter is barely alpha quality at best.</p></div><p>Clearly you haven't tried to open a PPTX file in SoftMaker - it doesn't even recognize it - only PPS and PPT.<br>See their <a href="http://softmaker.com/english/blog/?p=71" title="softmaker.com" rel="nofollow">blog</a> [softmaker.com] for confirmation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly you have n't tried to open a PPTX file in Impress ; that import filter is barely alpha quality at best.Clearly you have n't tried to open a PPTX file in SoftMaker - it does n't even recognize it - only PPS and PPT.See their blog [ softmaker.com ] for confirmation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly you haven't tried to open a PPTX file in Impress; that import filter is barely alpha quality at best.Clearly you haven't tried to open a PPTX file in SoftMaker - it doesn't even recognize it - only PPS and PPT.See their blog [softmaker.com] for confirmation.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31641488</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>centuren</author>
	<datestamp>1269718740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>I have yet to notice any problems importing MS files to OO so that's hard to see.</p></div><p>Formatting. When you're sending out resumes businesses expect it to be in Microsoft Office (I don't know, PDF seems better to me) and so if you've got poor formatting then it reflects poorly on you for your employer. If they're getting dozens if not hundreds of job applications, poor formatting is enough to get your resume dismissed straight out the door.</p></div><p>Companies are more interested in finding a fit for the job than if the header styles line up properly. If you are sending a basic, professional resume (and not using a template in your word processor), there won't be any issues anyway, as you don't need anything more than rich text formatting to do it. If you need something with more "pizazz" to impress (perhaps you're a graphic designer), then using a word processor at all seems limiting.</p><p>I don't like sending resumes as Word doc files, but I'm not 100\% happy with PDF either. If they're using Windows, they probably rely on Adobe for PDF, and the last thing I'd wish on anyone is to make Acrobat fire up when they open my attachment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have yet to notice any problems importing MS files to OO so that 's hard to see.Formatting .
When you 're sending out resumes businesses expect it to be in Microsoft Office ( I do n't know , PDF seems better to me ) and so if you 've got poor formatting then it reflects poorly on you for your employer .
If they 're getting dozens if not hundreds of job applications , poor formatting is enough to get your resume dismissed straight out the door.Companies are more interested in finding a fit for the job than if the header styles line up properly .
If you are sending a basic , professional resume ( and not using a template in your word processor ) , there wo n't be any issues anyway , as you do n't need anything more than rich text formatting to do it .
If you need something with more " pizazz " to impress ( perhaps you 're a graphic designer ) , then using a word processor at all seems limiting.I do n't like sending resumes as Word doc files , but I 'm not 100 \ % happy with PDF either .
If they 're using Windows , they probably rely on Adobe for PDF , and the last thing I 'd wish on anyone is to make Acrobat fire up when they open my attachment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have yet to notice any problems importing MS files to OO so that's hard to see.Formatting.
When you're sending out resumes businesses expect it to be in Microsoft Office (I don't know, PDF seems better to me) and so if you've got poor formatting then it reflects poorly on you for your employer.
If they're getting dozens if not hundreds of job applications, poor formatting is enough to get your resume dismissed straight out the door.Companies are more interested in finding a fit for the job than if the header styles line up properly.
If you are sending a basic, professional resume (and not using a template in your word processor), there won't be any issues anyway, as you don't need anything more than rich text formatting to do it.
If you need something with more "pizazz" to impress (perhaps you're a graphic designer), then using a word processor at all seems limiting.I don't like sending resumes as Word doc files, but I'm not 100\% happy with PDF either.
If they're using Windows, they probably rely on Adobe for PDF, and the last thing I'd wish on anyone is to make Acrobat fire up when they open my attachment.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636974</id>
	<title>I might be interested in an openoffice alternative</title>
	<author>lotho brandybuck</author>
	<datestamp>1269626160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Openoffice causes me trouble occasionally when I've got a document with a lot of figures in it.  The worst is when I accidently try to edit a picture, and it crashes because it can't find a Java VM.  In my experience... Openoffice has been a little bloaty and a little crashy sometimes, generally at the worst of times.  (big report that I'm just about done with)
<p>
I'm running OO 2.4 at work, 3.1 at home.. I'm scared to upgrade at work until I've got time to really sit with it.
</p><p>
I don't run OO because its free, I run it because it runs on Linux.
I am willing to pay for software to run on Linux... I am running Cadsoft Eagle for board layout, and Varicad for mechanical.   I probably spend more time in front of OpenOffice than both these put together, so getting something that could make me look better and improve efficiency wouldn't be a bad deal.
</p><p>
I'm also nervous about what Oracle is going to do with OpenOffice... I'd like to see them take it on and improve it,  maybe fund some good fonts.  Maybe do some tearing up and fixing up for stability and speed.  But I'm not sure our definitions of "improve" would be the same, and I'm not at all sure I trust Oracle anyways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Openoffice causes me trouble occasionally when I 've got a document with a lot of figures in it .
The worst is when I accidently try to edit a picture , and it crashes because it ca n't find a Java VM .
In my experience... Openoffice has been a little bloaty and a little crashy sometimes , generally at the worst of times .
( big report that I 'm just about done with ) I 'm running OO 2.4 at work , 3.1 at home.. I 'm scared to upgrade at work until I 've got time to really sit with it .
I do n't run OO because its free , I run it because it runs on Linux .
I am willing to pay for software to run on Linux... I am running Cadsoft Eagle for board layout , and Varicad for mechanical .
I probably spend more time in front of OpenOffice than both these put together , so getting something that could make me look better and improve efficiency would n't be a bad deal .
I 'm also nervous about what Oracle is going to do with OpenOffice... I 'd like to see them take it on and improve it , maybe fund some good fonts .
Maybe do some tearing up and fixing up for stability and speed .
But I 'm not sure our definitions of " improve " would be the same , and I 'm not at all sure I trust Oracle anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Openoffice causes me trouble occasionally when I've got a document with a lot of figures in it.
The worst is when I accidently try to edit a picture, and it crashes because it can't find a Java VM.
In my experience... Openoffice has been a little bloaty and a little crashy sometimes, generally at the worst of times.
(big report that I'm just about done with)

I'm running OO 2.4 at work, 3.1 at home.. I'm scared to upgrade at work until I've got time to really sit with it.
I don't run OO because its free, I run it because it runs on Linux.
I am willing to pay for software to run on Linux... I am running Cadsoft Eagle for board layout, and Varicad for mechanical.
I probably spend more time in front of OpenOffice than both these put together, so getting something that could make me look better and improve efficiency wouldn't be a bad deal.
I'm also nervous about what Oracle is going to do with OpenOffice... I'd like to see them take it on and improve it,  maybe fund some good fonts.
Maybe do some tearing up and fixing up for stability and speed.
But I'm not sure our definitions of "improve" would be the same, and I'm not at all sure I trust Oracle anyways.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31638982</id>
	<title>Re:Objective comparison with OO.o</title>
	<author>markdavis</author>
	<datestamp>1269700200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you for the interesting and informative comparison.</p><p>The only flaw I see it in is fonts.  If you don't have the font loaded on the target machine, it doesn't matter what software you use, it will not render/load it, because it doesn't exist.  Almost no "office" program embeds fonts.  So that cannot be a valid factor when comparing compatibility.</p><p>If you have an MS-Windows machine running MS-Office and create a document with a specific font, then try to load that document on an IDENTICAL machine in the IDENTICAL software that lacks the font, you won't see that font- it will have to substitute some other font.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you for the interesting and informative comparison.The only flaw I see it in is fonts .
If you do n't have the font loaded on the target machine , it does n't matter what software you use , it will not render/load it , because it does n't exist .
Almost no " office " program embeds fonts .
So that can not be a valid factor when comparing compatibility.If you have an MS-Windows machine running MS-Office and create a document with a specific font , then try to load that document on an IDENTICAL machine in the IDENTICAL software that lacks the font , you wo n't see that font- it will have to substitute some other font .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for the interesting and informative comparison.The only flaw I see it in is fonts.
If you don't have the font loaded on the target machine, it doesn't matter what software you use, it will not render/load it, because it doesn't exist.
Almost no "office" program embeds fonts.
So that cannot be a valid factor when comparing compatibility.If you have an MS-Windows machine running MS-Office and create a document with a specific font, then try to load that document on an IDENTICAL machine in the IDENTICAL software that lacks the font, you won't see that font- it will have to substitute some other font.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31637554</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1269722220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Therefore, it competes in a different market.</i> <br> <br>
This is true. However, I have a suspicion it might not do so for long. I am reminded of Applixware (I think it was called), a commercial office suite available for Linux back in the late '90s. Although at the time Linux was poorly supplied with useful office suites, Applixware got little traction, and was essentially wiped out when Sun started distributing StarOffice for free.<br> <br>
Until then, I had made do with legacy free releases of WordPerfect and with the various Gnome office programs which were of rather variable quality. (Abiword was a godawful POS, while Gnumeric was actually quite powerful and useful.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Therefore , it competes in a different market .
This is true .
However , I have a suspicion it might not do so for long .
I am reminded of Applixware ( I think it was called ) , a commercial office suite available for Linux back in the late '90s .
Although at the time Linux was poorly supplied with useful office suites , Applixware got little traction , and was essentially wiped out when Sun started distributing StarOffice for free .
Until then , I had made do with legacy free releases of WordPerfect and with the various Gnome office programs which were of rather variable quality .
( Abiword was a godawful POS , while Gnumeric was actually quite powerful and useful .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Therefore, it competes in a different market.
This is true.
However, I have a suspicion it might not do so for long.
I am reminded of Applixware (I think it was called), a commercial office suite available for Linux back in the late '90s.
Although at the time Linux was poorly supplied with useful office suites, Applixware got little traction, and was essentially wiped out when Sun started distributing StarOffice for free.
Until then, I had made do with legacy free releases of WordPerfect and with the various Gnome office programs which were of rather variable quality.
(Abiword was a godawful POS, while Gnumeric was actually quite powerful and useful.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31639026</id>
	<title>Re:Objective comparison with OO.o</title>
	<author>martin-k</author>
	<datestamp>1269700740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it takes 12 seconds to start a SoftMaker Office app, there is something seriously wrong with your setup. If you care, start it with "textmaker -debug", and it will create a log file (tmlog.txt) that protocols the launch process. Might be interesting to figure where it's idling.</p><p>As for the test documents, is it possible to get them? We take pride in our DOCX and XLSX filters (and their quality has been confirmed by several reviews), so I'd like to check them out.</p><p>On 32 bit systems, SoftMaker Office inherits the colors and fonts from the system (if you are running KDE or Gnome). On 64 bit systems, this doesn't work yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it takes 12 seconds to start a SoftMaker Office app , there is something seriously wrong with your setup .
If you care , start it with " textmaker -debug " , and it will create a log file ( tmlog.txt ) that protocols the launch process .
Might be interesting to figure where it 's idling.As for the test documents , is it possible to get them ?
We take pride in our DOCX and XLSX filters ( and their quality has been confirmed by several reviews ) , so I 'd like to check them out.On 32 bit systems , SoftMaker Office inherits the colors and fonts from the system ( if you are running KDE or Gnome ) .
On 64 bit systems , this does n't work yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it takes 12 seconds to start a SoftMaker Office app, there is something seriously wrong with your setup.
If you care, start it with "textmaker -debug", and it will create a log file (tmlog.txt) that protocols the launch process.
Might be interesting to figure where it's idling.As for the test documents, is it possible to get them?
We take pride in our DOCX and XLSX filters (and their quality has been confirmed by several reviews), so I'd like to check them out.On 32 bit systems, SoftMaker Office inherits the colors and fonts from the system (if you are running KDE or Gnome).
On 64 bit systems, this doesn't work yet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636668</id>
	<title>Re:How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1269623820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The story is about Linux. What relevance does OS X have here?</p><p>If you just want an office package for Linux, OO.org will probably suit you fine. The point of SMO is to 1) assuredly open/save MSOffice files (for which only Word/Excel/PowerPoint are really interesting), and 2) run with decent performance on slower PCs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The story is about Linux .
What relevance does OS X have here ? If you just want an office package for Linux , OO.org will probably suit you fine .
The point of SMO is to 1 ) assuredly open/save MSOffice files ( for which only Word/Excel/PowerPoint are really interesting ) , and 2 ) run with decent performance on slower PCs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The story is about Linux.
What relevance does OS X have here?If you just want an office package for Linux, OO.org will probably suit you fine.
The point of SMO is to 1) assuredly open/save MSOffice files (for which only Word/Excel/PowerPoint are really interesting), and 2) run with decent performance on slower PCs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31637320</id>
	<title>Not FOSS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269630960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>therefore it is not<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. worthy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>therefore it is not / .
worthy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>therefore it is not /.
worthy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31638182</id>
	<title>Re:Objective comparison with OO.o</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269689640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Softmaker doesn't appear to support Office 2007 (.xlsx,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.docx,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.pptx etc) formats. You should try softmaker with the older<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ppt or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.xls format.</p><p>Softmaker not having support for the Office 2007 format is a major negative.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Softmaker does n't appear to support Office 2007 ( .xlsx , .docx , .pptx etc ) formats .
You should try softmaker with the older .doc , .ppt or .xls format.Softmaker not having support for the Office 2007 format is a major negative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Softmaker doesn't appear to support Office 2007 (.xlsx, .docx, .pptx etc) formats.
You should try softmaker with the older .doc, .ppt or .xls format.Softmaker not having support for the Office 2007 format is a major negative.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31636096</id>
	<title>How did this not get binspammed?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269619020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Holy cow, how did this not get binspammed off of the submissions?  Someone actually managed to get an advertisement as a story into Slashdot.  Actually, it's sort of an impressive accomplishment.  Off to the submissions I go to try and make some money!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy cow , how did this not get binspammed off of the submissions ?
Someone actually managed to get an advertisement as a story into Slashdot .
Actually , it 's sort of an impressive accomplishment .
Off to the submissions I go to try and make some money !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy cow, how did this not get binspammed off of the submissions?
Someone actually managed to get an advertisement as a story into Slashdot.
Actually, it's sort of an impressive accomplishment.
Off to the submissions I go to try and make some money!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_0139255.31637486</id>
	<title>Objective comparison with OO.o</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269721020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I downloaded and installed SoftMaker Office 2010 Beta (rev 580) and ran a comparison to OpenOffice.org version 3.1.1.  My system is a stock Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala).  It has dual-core atom processors with 2gb of ram.  <br> <br>

Startup speed: <ul>
<li>From a fresh reboot:  SoftMaker Office, 12 seconds;  Open Office, 9 seconds.</li><li>From cache (opened again after closing): SoftMaker Office, 6 seconds;  Open Office, 3 seconds</li></ul><p>

Compatibility with Microsoft Office 2007:</p><ul>
<li>Powerpoint 2007<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.pptx files (I used some sample shapes and text with some of the new shape effects):
SoftMaker Presentations would not even open at all;  OpenOffice.org Presentation opened the file, loaded the text and shapes of my test file, but failed to load some special shape effects like the halo.</li><li>Word 2007<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.docx files (I used some sample text with a funky font, a table with some formatted borders, a graph, a diagram, and a shape):
SoftMaker TextMaker failed to load the font correctly, improperly formatted the table, failed to load the graph, failed to load the diagram, and loaded the shape fine;  OpenOffice.org Word Processor failed to load the font correctly, imported the table perfect, failed to load the graph, failed to load the diagram, and loaded the shape fine.</li><li>Excel 2007<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.xlsx files (I created a column with conditional formatting, a column with a colored background, and a column with a border around it):
SoftMaker PlanMaker failed to load the conditional formatting, but showed the column data.  Failed to load the column with the colored background entirely, showing none of the data.  Failed to load the border around the last column.  Open office failed to load the conditional formatting, but showed the column data.  Loaded the column with colored background perfectly.  Loaded the column border perfectly.</li></ul><p>

Conclusions:
<br> <br>
OpenOffice.org is faster, more compatible with Office 2007, blends in well with my native theme, and is Free.  SoftMaker is slow, not as compatible as OO.o, uses it's own theme and widgets, and is 70 Euros.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I downloaded and installed SoftMaker Office 2010 Beta ( rev 580 ) and ran a comparison to OpenOffice.org version 3.1.1 .
My system is a stock Ubuntu 9.10 ( Karmic Koala ) .
It has dual-core atom processors with 2gb of ram .
Startup speed : From a fresh reboot : SoftMaker Office , 12 seconds ; Open Office , 9 seconds.From cache ( opened again after closing ) : SoftMaker Office , 6 seconds ; Open Office , 3 seconds Compatibility with Microsoft Office 2007 : Powerpoint 2007 .pptx files ( I used some sample shapes and text with some of the new shape effects ) : SoftMaker Presentations would not even open at all ; OpenOffice.org Presentation opened the file , loaded the text and shapes of my test file , but failed to load some special shape effects like the halo.Word 2007 .docx files ( I used some sample text with a funky font , a table with some formatted borders , a graph , a diagram , and a shape ) : SoftMaker TextMaker failed to load the font correctly , improperly formatted the table , failed to load the graph , failed to load the diagram , and loaded the shape fine ; OpenOffice.org Word Processor failed to load the font correctly , imported the table perfect , failed to load the graph , failed to load the diagram , and loaded the shape fine.Excel 2007 .xlsx files ( I created a column with conditional formatting , a column with a colored background , and a column with a border around it ) : SoftMaker PlanMaker failed to load the conditional formatting , but showed the column data .
Failed to load the column with the colored background entirely , showing none of the data .
Failed to load the border around the last column .
Open office failed to load the conditional formatting , but showed the column data .
Loaded the column with colored background perfectly .
Loaded the column border perfectly .
Conclusions : OpenOffice.org is faster , more compatible with Office 2007 , blends in well with my native theme , and is Free .
SoftMaker is slow , not as compatible as OO.o , uses it 's own theme and widgets , and is 70 Euros .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I downloaded and installed SoftMaker Office 2010 Beta (rev 580) and ran a comparison to OpenOffice.org version 3.1.1.
My system is a stock Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala).
It has dual-core atom processors with 2gb of ram.
Startup speed: 
From a fresh reboot:  SoftMaker Office, 12 seconds;  Open Office, 9 seconds.From cache (opened again after closing): SoftMaker Office, 6 seconds;  Open Office, 3 seconds

Compatibility with Microsoft Office 2007:
Powerpoint 2007 .pptx files (I used some sample shapes and text with some of the new shape effects):
SoftMaker Presentations would not even open at all;  OpenOffice.org Presentation opened the file, loaded the text and shapes of my test file, but failed to load some special shape effects like the halo.Word 2007 .docx files (I used some sample text with a funky font, a table with some formatted borders, a graph, a diagram, and a shape):
SoftMaker TextMaker failed to load the font correctly, improperly formatted the table, failed to load the graph, failed to load the diagram, and loaded the shape fine;  OpenOffice.org Word Processor failed to load the font correctly, imported the table perfect, failed to load the graph, failed to load the diagram, and loaded the shape fine.Excel 2007 .xlsx files (I created a column with conditional formatting, a column with a colored background, and a column with a border around it):
SoftMaker PlanMaker failed to load the conditional formatting, but showed the column data.
Failed to load the column with the colored background entirely, showing none of the data.
Failed to load the border around the last column.
Open office failed to load the conditional formatting, but showed the column data.
Loaded the column with colored background perfectly.
Loaded the column border perfectly.
Conclusions:
 
OpenOffice.org is faster, more compatible with Office 2007, blends in well with my native theme, and is Free.
SoftMaker is slow, not as compatible as OO.o, uses it's own theme and widgets, and is 70 Euros.</sentencetext>
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