<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_26_179248</id>
	<title>New Malware Overwrites Software Updaters</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1269628260000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>itwbennett writes <i>"Researchers at Bach Khoa Internetwork Security (BKIS), a Vietnamese security company, have <a href="http://www.itworld.com/security/102359/new-malware-overwrites-software-updaters">found a new type of malware</a> that 'masks itself as an updater for Adobe Systems' products and other software such as Java,' wrote BKIS analyst Nguyen Cong Cuong in a post on the company's blog. BKIS showed screenshots of a variant of the malware that <a href="http://blog.bkis.com/en/malware-faking-adobe-update/">imitates Adobe Reader version 9</a> and overwrites the AdobeUpdater.exe, which regularly checks in with Adobe to see if a new version of the software is available."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>itwbennett writes " Researchers at Bach Khoa Internetwork Security ( BKIS ) , a Vietnamese security company , have found a new type of malware that 'masks itself as an updater for Adobe Systems ' products and other software such as Java, ' wrote BKIS analyst Nguyen Cong Cuong in a post on the company 's blog .
BKIS showed screenshots of a variant of the malware that imitates Adobe Reader version 9 and overwrites the AdobeUpdater.exe , which regularly checks in with Adobe to see if a new version of the software is available .
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<sentencetext>itwbennett writes "Researchers at Bach Khoa Internetwork Security (BKIS), a Vietnamese security company, have found a new type of malware that 'masks itself as an updater for Adobe Systems' products and other software such as Java,' wrote BKIS analyst Nguyen Cong Cuong in a post on the company's blog.
BKIS showed screenshots of a variant of the malware that imitates Adobe Reader version 9 and overwrites the AdobeUpdater.exe, which regularly checks in with Adobe to see if a new version of the software is available.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31636248</id>
	<title>Re:i had a bout of paranoia where i imagined this</title>
	<author>thejynxed</author>
	<datestamp>1269620100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think they should. They should also all require signing by Microsoft and the software vendor, which can be revoked by Microsoft and locally by system administrators.</p><p>I for one, would welcome Steam as an integrated part of Windows 8.</p><p>Wow, if they did that, I would have an actual use for that TPM chip that's sitting on my motherboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they should .
They should also all require signing by Microsoft and the software vendor , which can be revoked by Microsoft and locally by system administrators.I for one , would welcome Steam as an integrated part of Windows 8.Wow , if they did that , I would have an actual use for that TPM chip that 's sitting on my motherboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they should.
They should also all require signing by Microsoft and the software vendor, which can be revoked by Microsoft and locally by system administrators.I for one, would welcome Steam as an integrated part of Windows 8.Wow, if they did that, I would have an actual use for that TPM chip that's sitting on my motherboard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31631150</id>
	<title>Adobe</title>
	<author>dandart</author>
	<datestamp>1269635880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now if that's not an excuse to get away from Adobe Reader, what is? <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/02/17/141228/Rogue-PDFs-Behind-80-of-Exploits-In-Q4-09?from=rss&amp;utm\_source=feedburner&amp;utm\_medium=feed&amp;utm\_campaign=Feed\%3A+Slashdot\%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&amp;utm\_content=Google+Reader" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">This</a> [slashdot.org]?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now if that 's not an excuse to get away from Adobe Reader , what is ?
This [ slashdot.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now if that's not an excuse to get away from Adobe Reader, what is?
This [slashdot.org]?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630788</id>
	<title>Re:i had a bout of paranoia where i imagined this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269634380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is surprising that MS hasn't done this yet. I don't think every app should be <em>required</em> to go through through a package manager, but it just makes sense for the big ones. GNU/Linux has had this for years. And I've had it with Adobe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is surprising that MS has n't done this yet .
I do n't think every app should be required to go through through a package manager , but it just makes sense for the big ones .
GNU/Linux has had this for years .
And I 've had it with Adobe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is surprising that MS hasn't done this yet.
I don't think every app should be required to go through through a package manager, but it just makes sense for the big ones.
GNU/Linux has had this for years.
And I've had it with Adobe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31631164</id>
	<title>This sucks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269635940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are these Windows malware problems constantly cropping up?</p><p>If only there were a less malware-prone OS to use . . .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are these Windows malware problems constantly cropping up ? If only there were a less malware-prone OS to use .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are these Windows malware problems constantly cropping up?If only there were a less malware-prone OS to use .
. .</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31632774</id>
	<title>Re:i had a bout of paranoia where i imagined this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269599160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>about a month ago, while going through the motions of updating java one day (clicking on all those security warnings, running the little interface), i thought: to hack a system, why not just copy this stupid little interface and have the user gleefully click through all of the little security warnings?</p></div><p>Because by the time you've overwritten the updater software and you're displaying a UI you're already running code on the system.  A prerequisite to your idea is that the system already be hacked.  So no, it can't help you hack a system.</p><p>Basically, a virus will not let you know what it's doing.  And your autoupdate services are either already running malicious code or they won't go out and download bad stuff.  You're perfectly safe going through dialogs and letting Java update itself.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>about a month ago , while going through the motions of updating java one day ( clicking on all those security warnings , running the little interface ) , i thought : to hack a system , why not just copy this stupid little interface and have the user gleefully click through all of the little security warnings ? Because by the time you 've overwritten the updater software and you 're displaying a UI you 're already running code on the system .
A prerequisite to your idea is that the system already be hacked .
So no , it ca n't help you hack a system.Basically , a virus will not let you know what it 's doing .
And your autoupdate services are either already running malicious code or they wo n't go out and download bad stuff .
You 're perfectly safe going through dialogs and letting Java update itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>about a month ago, while going through the motions of updating java one day (clicking on all those security warnings, running the little interface), i thought: to hack a system, why not just copy this stupid little interface and have the user gleefully click through all of the little security warnings?Because by the time you've overwritten the updater software and you're displaying a UI you're already running code on the system.
A prerequisite to your idea is that the system already be hacked.
So no, it can't help you hack a system.Basically, a virus will not let you know what it's doing.
And your autoupdate services are either already running malicious code or they won't go out and download bad stuff.
You're perfectly safe going through dialogs and letting Java update itself.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630358</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31631286</id>
	<title>Re:Irony: Adobe and Java updaters targeted</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269636360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right now in my Task Manager "GoogleUpdate.ex" is running. I click <i>End Process</i> and access is denied.</p><p>I have previously removed this program, but it is reinstalled if I install a minor update of Google Earth. I'm not actually concerned about all Google's privacy issues. But I HATE that they arrogantly have this software updater running, when I am perfectly capable of installing/updating their software myself!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right now in my Task Manager " GoogleUpdate.ex " is running .
I click End Process and access is denied.I have previously removed this program , but it is reinstalled if I install a minor update of Google Earth .
I 'm not actually concerned about all Google 's privacy issues .
But I HATE that they arrogantly have this software updater running , when I am perfectly capable of installing/updating their software myself !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now in my Task Manager "GoogleUpdate.ex" is running.
I click End Process and access is denied.I have previously removed this program, but it is reinstalled if I install a minor update of Google Earth.
I'm not actually concerned about all Google's privacy issues.
But I HATE that they arrogantly have this software updater running, when I am perfectly capable of installing/updating their software myself!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31645286</id>
	<title>Re:Adobe was removed 3 years ago</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269714000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What dialogs? Real men don&rsquo;t need no stinkin&rdquo; GUIs!</p><p>Yes, I&rsquo;m posting this, by holding an acoustic coupler like a telephone and whistling. Now get off my line!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What dialogs ?
Real men don    t need no stinkin    GUIs ! Yes , I    m posting this , by holding an acoustic coupler like a telephone and whistling .
Now get off my line !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What dialogs?
Real men don’t need no stinkin” GUIs!Yes, I’m posting this, by holding an acoustic coupler like a telephone and whistling.
Now get off my line!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630588</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630778</id>
	<title>Re:i had a bout of paranoia where i imagined this</title>
	<author>andrea.sartori</author>
	<datestamp>1269634320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>s/microsoft/debian</htmltext>
<tokenext>s/microsoft/debian</tokentext>
<sentencetext>s/microsoft/debian</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630268</id>
	<title>Re:I'm torned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269632220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was going to mod this insightful until I saw the phrase "I'm torned"</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to mod this insightful until I saw the phrase " I 'm torned "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to mod this insightful until I saw the phrase "I'm torned"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630464</id>
	<title>Oh, for the good old days...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269633060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to sit there and think, "well, if I were a criminal, I'd do this, that and the other" (this that and the other being stuff like replacing updaters, faking out security software so it couldn't update, having multiple processes that "watchdogged" each other, yada yada). Nowadays, they're doing that shit and a whole lot more I never thought of.</p><p>Once your system is comprised, it's pretty much never a good idea to trust it until its been completely rebuilt from the ground up.</p><p>I'm currently in the middle of doing this for a friend. Whatever the heck he had was so dug in that I had him replace the hard drive, reinstall a fresh OS, patch up, reinstall apps from disk, and now I'm restoring his user data from the original drive (carefully with auto-run disabled) mounted from a USB enclosure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to sit there and think , " well , if I were a criminal , I 'd do this , that and the other " ( this that and the other being stuff like replacing updaters , faking out security software so it could n't update , having multiple processes that " watchdogged " each other , yada yada ) .
Nowadays , they 're doing that shit and a whole lot more I never thought of.Once your system is comprised , it 's pretty much never a good idea to trust it until its been completely rebuilt from the ground up.I 'm currently in the middle of doing this for a friend .
Whatever the heck he had was so dug in that I had him replace the hard drive , reinstall a fresh OS , patch up , reinstall apps from disk , and now I 'm restoring his user data from the original drive ( carefully with auto-run disabled ) mounted from a USB enclosure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to sit there and think, "well, if I were a criminal, I'd do this, that and the other" (this that and the other being stuff like replacing updaters, faking out security software so it couldn't update, having multiple processes that "watchdogged" each other, yada yada).
Nowadays, they're doing that shit and a whole lot more I never thought of.Once your system is comprised, it's pretty much never a good idea to trust it until its been completely rebuilt from the ground up.I'm currently in the middle of doing this for a friend.
Whatever the heck he had was so dug in that I had him replace the hard drive, reinstall a fresh OS, patch up, reinstall apps from disk, and now I'm restoring his user data from the original drive (carefully with auto-run disabled) mounted from a USB enclosure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630198</id>
	<title>Irony: Adobe and Java updaters targeted</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269632040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've always filed the original forms of both these aggressive updaters under malware anyway...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always filed the original forms of both these aggressive updaters under malware anyway.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always filed the original forms of both these aggressive updaters under malware anyway...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31631172</id>
	<title>damn fake dialogs!</title>
	<author>Sloppy</author>
	<datestamp>1269635940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I don't know of an OS that hasn't been attacked with a fake dialog trying to trick a user.</p></div></blockquote><p>Me neither, and sometimes I even fall prey to it.<br><tt># sudo apt-get install malware<br>Password:<br>Reading package lists... Done<br>Building dependency tree<br>Reading state information... Done<br>The following NEW packages will be installed:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; cool-benign-app-1.1<br>After this operation, 1.6MB of additional disk space will be used.<br>Do you want to continue? [Y/n]? y<br></tt><br>I did that and got infected.  WTF?!  I'll never use cool-benign-app again!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know of an OS that has n't been attacked with a fake dialog trying to trick a user.Me neither , and sometimes I even fall prey to it. # sudo apt-get install malwarePassword : Reading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DoneThe following NEW packages will be installed :     cool-benign-app-1.1After this operation , 1.6MB of additional disk space will be used.Do you want to continue ?
[ Y/n ] ? yI did that and got infected .
WTF ? ! I 'll never use cool-benign-app again !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know of an OS that hasn't been attacked with a fake dialog trying to trick a user.Me neither, and sometimes I even fall prey to it.# sudo apt-get install malwarePassword:Reading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DoneThe following NEW packages will be installed:
    cool-benign-app-1.1After this operation, 1.6MB of additional disk space will be used.Do you want to continue?
[Y/n]? yI did that and got infected.
WTF?!  I'll never use cool-benign-app again!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31631752</id>
	<title>Intuit products</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269595080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>furthermore, i despise the fact that just because i have quicktime and adobe and java installed, i have to always have these useless potentially bogus processes constantly running in the background doing nothing but waiting for their once monthly updates</p></div><p>All Intuit products do this to and it annoys the piss out of me - annoyed the piss, I mean, since I ripped every goddamn Intuit app off of my system.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>furthermore , i despise the fact that just because i have quicktime and adobe and java installed , i have to always have these useless potentially bogus processes constantly running in the background doing nothing but waiting for their once monthly updatesAll Intuit products do this to and it annoys the piss out of me - annoyed the piss , I mean , since I ripped every goddamn Intuit app off of my system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>furthermore, i despise the fact that just because i have quicktime and adobe and java installed, i have to always have these useless potentially bogus processes constantly running in the background doing nothing but waiting for their once monthly updatesAll Intuit products do this to and it annoys the piss out of me - annoyed the piss, I mean, since I ripped every goddamn Intuit app off of my system.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630954</id>
	<title>Re:Adobe was removed 3 years ago</title>
	<author>Finallyjoined!!!</author>
	<datestamp>1269635100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You should get out more.......</htmltext>
<tokenext>You should get out more...... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should get out more.......</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630602</id>
	<title>Re:I'm torned</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1269633600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>In other words, you were going to mod a post insightful until you read the first two words of the post?  Hm.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>In other words , you were going to mod a post insightful until you read the first two words of the post ?
Hm. ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other words, you were going to mod a post insightful until you read the first two words of the post?
Hm. ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630208</id>
	<title>That's a Good Idea</title>
	<author>Petersko</author>
	<datestamp>1269632040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everybody I know would click through that bad boy without a moment's hesitation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everybody I know would click through that bad boy without a moment 's hesitation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everybody I know would click through that bad boy without a moment's hesitation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630692</id>
	<title>Re:Irony: Adobe and Java updaters targeted</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1269634020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've always filed the original forms of both these aggressive updaters under malware anyway...</p></div><p>Agreed.</p><p>I always disable automatic updating on everything I can...  And then I'll manually check it once a month or so.</p><p>I realize I'm probably missing some updates, and probably vulnerable to some threats...  But I just hate logging in to my computer and getting bombarded with four or five different update notices.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always filed the original forms of both these aggressive updaters under malware anyway...Agreed.I always disable automatic updating on everything I can... And then I 'll manually check it once a month or so.I realize I 'm probably missing some updates , and probably vulnerable to some threats... But I just hate logging in to my computer and getting bombarded with four or five different update notices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always filed the original forms of both these aggressive updaters under malware anyway...Agreed.I always disable automatic updating on everything I can...  And then I'll manually check it once a month or so.I realize I'm probably missing some updates, and probably vulnerable to some threats...  But I just hate logging in to my computer and getting bombarded with four or five different update notices.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31632004</id>
	<title>Re:i had a bout of paranoia where i imagined this</title>
	<author>Vexo</author>
	<datestamp>1269596100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it makes much better sense to have ALL software updated through one repository which, obviously, has to be microsoft</p></div><p>Yes of course - why waste time finding exploits in individual update services when it's so much easier to just go ahead and infect everything at once.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it makes much better sense to have ALL software updated through one repository which , obviously , has to be microsoftYes of course - why waste time finding exploits in individual update services when it 's so much easier to just go ahead and infect everything at once .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it makes much better sense to have ALL software updated through one repository which, obviously, has to be microsoftYes of course - why waste time finding exploits in individual update services when it's so much easier to just go ahead and infect everything at once.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31632112</id>
	<title>I'm surprised it took so long</title>
	<author>dave562</author>
	<datestamp>1269596580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When Microsoft introduced Windows Update there was a lot of speculation that it would be compromised and used as an infection vector.  That threat never seemed to materialize.  I always thought that the 3rd party apps like Adobe, Java, etc would be more vulnerable due to the fact that they run on the local machine.</p><p>At the rate it takes Microsoft to adjust, we should have a centralized patch management system by 2020.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When Microsoft introduced Windows Update there was a lot of speculation that it would be compromised and used as an infection vector .
That threat never seemed to materialize .
I always thought that the 3rd party apps like Adobe , Java , etc would be more vulnerable due to the fact that they run on the local machine.At the rate it takes Microsoft to adjust , we should have a centralized patch management system by 2020 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When Microsoft introduced Windows Update there was a lot of speculation that it would be compromised and used as an infection vector.
That threat never seemed to materialize.
I always thought that the 3rd party apps like Adobe, Java, etc would be more vulnerable due to the fact that they run on the local machine.At the rate it takes Microsoft to adjust, we should have a centralized patch management system by 2020.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630216</id>
	<title>Even TFA admits nothing new</title>
	<author>Orga</author>
	<datestamp>1269632040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Malware that poses as an updater or installer for applications such as Adobe's Acrobat or Flash are nothing new, said Rik Ferguson, senior security advisor for Trend Micro.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Malware that poses as an updater or installer for applications such as Adobe 's Acrobat or Flash are nothing new , said Rik Ferguson , senior security advisor for Trend Micro .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Malware that poses as an updater or installer for applications such as Adobe's Acrobat or Flash are nothing new, said Rik Ferguson, senior security advisor for Trend Micro.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31631270</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, for the good old days...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269636300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check the HPA (host protected area) of the drive. I'd wager it's hiding in there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check the HPA ( host protected area ) of the drive .
I 'd wager it 's hiding in there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check the HPA (host protected area) of the drive.
I'd wager it's hiding in there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630264</id>
	<title>Adobe was removed 3 years ago</title>
	<author>Finallyjoined!!!</author>
	<datestamp>1269632220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>On the strength of this, looks like Java will be following it.<br> <br>
What difference will that make to my general new-fangled-interweb experience?<br> <br>
Enquiring minds need to know...</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the strength of this , looks like Java will be following it .
What difference will that make to my general new-fangled-interweb experience ?
Enquiring minds need to know.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the strength of this, looks like Java will be following it.
What difference will that make to my general new-fangled-interweb experience?
Enquiring minds need to know...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31633798</id>
	<title>Re:i had a bout of paranoia where i imagined this</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1269604740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Correctly written these updaters would use essentially no resources at all while loaded, unfortunately that is not the case.</p><p>You could have 50 of them running and not doing anything, but no, can't do that can we?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Correctly written these updaters would use essentially no resources at all while loaded , unfortunately that is not the case.You could have 50 of them running and not doing anything , but no , ca n't do that can we ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correctly written these updaters would use essentially no resources at all while loaded, unfortunately that is not the case.You could have 50 of them running and not doing anything, but no, can't do that can we?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630358</id>
	<title>i had a bout of paranoia where i imagined this</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1269632640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>about a month ago, while going through the motions of updating java one day (clicking on all those security warnings, running the little interface), i thought: to hack a system, why not just copy this stupid little interface and have the user gleefully click through all of the little security warnings?</p><p>and now my fleeting paranoia is reality: you can't trust the updaters anymore</p><p>which makes this news from two days ago all the more prescient:</p><p><a href="http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/03/24/189248" title="slashdot.org">http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/03/24/189248</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>"Microsoft To Distribute Third-Party Patches"</p><p>furthermore, i despise the fact that just because i have quicktime and adobe and java installed, i have to always have these useless potentially bogus processes constantly running in the background doing nothing but waiting for their once monthly updates</p><p>it makes much better sense to have ALL software updated through one repository which, obviously, has to be microsoft</p><p>now microsoft is responsible for a secure update process, you don't have to worry about 9 different third party update mechanisms and have them constantly running, and finally, the big fat shiny nail in the coffin: you don't have to worry about this malware posing as an updater</p><p>a negative being: now you're pretty much sending microsoft a manifest of all of your installed software every time you get an update, but i see no way around that without this new hack entering the picture</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>about a month ago , while going through the motions of updating java one day ( clicking on all those security warnings , running the little interface ) , i thought : to hack a system , why not just copy this stupid little interface and have the user gleefully click through all of the little security warnings ? and now my fleeting paranoia is reality : you ca n't trust the updaters anymorewhich makes this news from two days ago all the more prescient : http : //it.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 10/03/24/189248 [ slashdot.org ] " Microsoft To Distribute Third-Party Patches " furthermore , i despise the fact that just because i have quicktime and adobe and java installed , i have to always have these useless potentially bogus processes constantly running in the background doing nothing but waiting for their once monthly updatesit makes much better sense to have ALL software updated through one repository which , obviously , has to be microsoftnow microsoft is responsible for a secure update process , you do n't have to worry about 9 different third party update mechanisms and have them constantly running , and finally , the big fat shiny nail in the coffin : you do n't have to worry about this malware posing as an updatera negative being : now you 're pretty much sending microsoft a manifest of all of your installed software every time you get an update , but i see no way around that without this new hack entering the picture</tokentext>
<sentencetext>about a month ago, while going through the motions of updating java one day (clicking on all those security warnings, running the little interface), i thought: to hack a system, why not just copy this stupid little interface and have the user gleefully click through all of the little security warnings?and now my fleeting paranoia is reality: you can't trust the updaters anymorewhich makes this news from two days ago all the more prescient:http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/03/24/189248 [slashdot.org]"Microsoft To Distribute Third-Party Patches"furthermore, i despise the fact that just because i have quicktime and adobe and java installed, i have to always have these useless potentially bogus processes constantly running in the background doing nothing but waiting for their once monthly updatesit makes much better sense to have ALL software updated through one repository which, obviously, has to be microsoftnow microsoft is responsible for a secure update process, you don't have to worry about 9 different third party update mechanisms and have them constantly running, and finally, the big fat shiny nail in the coffin: you don't have to worry about this malware posing as an updatera negative being: now you're pretty much sending microsoft a manifest of all of your installed software every time you get an update, but i see no way around that without this new hack entering the picture</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31632930</id>
	<title>Stop calling it Malware</title>
	<author>QJimbo</author>
	<datestamp>1269599940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm tired of malware being differentiated just because it comes from a commercial entity. When you're replacing things that are practically system components (assuming most people have adobe pdf reader installed) then as far as I'm concerned this is a <b>trojan</b>, not some innocent advertising software.</p><p>Companies that make this software are getting too easy a ride on this and should be taken to court the same way someone who writes an Internet Worm would.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm tired of malware being differentiated just because it comes from a commercial entity .
When you 're replacing things that are practically system components ( assuming most people have adobe pdf reader installed ) then as far as I 'm concerned this is a trojan , not some innocent advertising software.Companies that make this software are getting too easy a ride on this and should be taken to court the same way someone who writes an Internet Worm would .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm tired of malware being differentiated just because it comes from a commercial entity.
When you're replacing things that are practically system components (assuming most people have adobe pdf reader installed) then as far as I'm concerned this is a trojan, not some innocent advertising software.Companies that make this software are getting too easy a ride on this and should be taken to court the same way someone who writes an Internet Worm would.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630588</id>
	<title>Re:Adobe was removed 3 years ago</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1269633540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're going to stop using Java because you just heard about someone making malware that pretends to be the updater<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>If you're going to stop using any software package that has been used as a facade for a malware infection that you probably just need to stop using your computer now, I don't know of an OS that hasn't been attacked with a fake dialog trying to trick a user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're going to stop using Java because you just heard about someone making malware that pretends to be the updater ...If you 're going to stop using any software package that has been used as a facade for a malware infection that you probably just need to stop using your computer now , I do n't know of an OS that has n't been attacked with a fake dialog trying to trick a user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're going to stop using Java because you just heard about someone making malware that pretends to be the updater ...If you're going to stop using any software package that has been used as a facade for a malware infection that you probably just need to stop using your computer now, I don't know of an OS that hasn't been attacked with a fake dialog trying to trick a user.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630262</id>
	<title>The only way you can tell if you are infected</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269632220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If your copy of AdobeUpdater.exe runs reliably without unexplained crashing, you are probably running the malware version.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If your copy of AdobeUpdater.exe runs reliably without unexplained crashing , you are probably running the malware version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If your copy of AdobeUpdater.exe runs reliably without unexplained crashing, you are probably running the malware version.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31631368</id>
	<title>Re:i had a bout of paranoia where i imagined this</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1269636720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>furthermore, i despise the fact that just because i have quicktime and adobe and java installed, i have to always have these useless potentially bogus processes constantly running in the background doing nothing but waiting for their once monthly updates</i></p><p><i>it makes much better sense to have ALL software updated through one repository which, obviously, has to be microsoft</i></p><p>I think it makes more sense for these apps to STFU and not run at all, unless another program calls them. THEN it can update, or better yet, just have an updater run on boot then shut itself the hell off until you need the app.</p><p>I hate today's mantra of "throw more hardware at it".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>furthermore , i despise the fact that just because i have quicktime and adobe and java installed , i have to always have these useless potentially bogus processes constantly running in the background doing nothing but waiting for their once monthly updatesit makes much better sense to have ALL software updated through one repository which , obviously , has to be microsoftI think it makes more sense for these apps to STFU and not run at all , unless another program calls them .
THEN it can update , or better yet , just have an updater run on boot then shut itself the hell off until you need the app.I hate today 's mantra of " throw more hardware at it " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>furthermore, i despise the fact that just because i have quicktime and adobe and java installed, i have to always have these useless potentially bogus processes constantly running in the background doing nothing but waiting for their once monthly updatesit makes much better sense to have ALL software updated through one repository which, obviously, has to be microsoftI think it makes more sense for these apps to STFU and not run at all, unless another program calls them.
THEN it can update, or better yet, just have an updater run on boot then shut itself the hell off until you need the app.I hate today's mantra of "throw more hardware at it".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31637726</id>
	<title>GoogleUpdate.exe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269681840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Next time you "del GoogleUpdate.exe", try "mkdir GoogleUpdate.exe"  That should stop it from being reinstalled for a while, unless it really is malware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Next time you " del GoogleUpdate.exe " , try " mkdir GoogleUpdate.exe " That should stop it from being reinstalled for a while , unless it really is malware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next time you "del GoogleUpdate.exe", try "mkdir GoogleUpdate.exe"  That should stop it from being reinstalled for a while, unless it really is malware.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630430</id>
	<title>Thiefs!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269632940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have stolen my idea! Can I patent malware?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have stolen my idea !
Can I patent malware ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have stolen my idea!
Can I patent malware?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31631950</id>
	<title>A really good strategy</title>
	<author>DarkOx</author>
	<datestamp>1269595920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is a really good strategy as lots corporate device control polices will have exceptions for those sorts of things.  Now admins should be using hashes to check those but we all know they just trust the name because its a pain to update their policy evertime an updater gets updated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is a really good strategy as lots corporate device control polices will have exceptions for those sorts of things .
Now admins should be using hashes to check those but we all know they just trust the name because its a pain to update their policy evertime an updater gets updated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is a really good strategy as lots corporate device control polices will have exceptions for those sorts of things.
Now admins should be using hashes to check those but we all know they just trust the name because its a pain to update their policy evertime an updater gets updated.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630966</id>
	<title>Re:i had a bout of paranoia where i imagined this</title>
	<author>Kaboom13</author>
	<datestamp>1269635160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By the way, that article title was bullshit, it was about a 3rd party product that integrates with Microsoft's own WSUS server (used to distribute and control patching of Microsoft software) and uses it's api to distribute third party patches.  It costs money, a decent amount of money.  MS is not taking on the task of distributing 3rd party patches.  You can read my comment on that story if you want to learn more about Secunia's product, I beta tested it.  It's bad enough the editors do their best to pass on ignorance and misinformation, please don't help them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By the way , that article title was bullshit , it was about a 3rd party product that integrates with Microsoft 's own WSUS server ( used to distribute and control patching of Microsoft software ) and uses it 's api to distribute third party patches .
It costs money , a decent amount of money .
MS is not taking on the task of distributing 3rd party patches .
You can read my comment on that story if you want to learn more about Secunia 's product , I beta tested it .
It 's bad enough the editors do their best to pass on ignorance and misinformation , please do n't help them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By the way, that article title was bullshit, it was about a 3rd party product that integrates with Microsoft's own WSUS server (used to distribute and control patching of Microsoft software) and uses it's api to distribute third party patches.
It costs money, a decent amount of money.
MS is not taking on the task of distributing 3rd party patches.
You can read my comment on that story if you want to learn more about Secunia's product, I beta tested it.
It's bad enough the editors do their best to pass on ignorance and misinformation, please don't help them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630210</id>
	<title>I'm torned</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1269632040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the one hand, it's malware, on the other hand it replaces software from Adobe.</p><p>I can't decide if it's an enhancement or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the one hand , it 's malware , on the other hand it replaces software from Adobe.I ca n't decide if it 's an enhancement or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the one hand, it's malware, on the other hand it replaces software from Adobe.I can't decide if it's an enhancement or not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31631264</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, for the good old days...</title>
	<author>spedrosa</author>
	<datestamp>1269636300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You had him *replace* a harddrive because of malware?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You had him * replace * a harddrive because of malware ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You had him *replace* a harddrive because of malware?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31631880</id>
	<title>That's why I love Linux</title>
	<author>scorp1us</author>
	<datestamp>1269595740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One central updater.. for everything! Plus its Linux, so its not like there's malware there anyway.</p><p>I did notice one time though that the Ubuntu updater did update Firefox and a bunch of things stopped working. I had to reboot to clear it. I tracked it down to a library that had been updated, that apparently was confusing ld or something. Would have been nice to have been warned...</p><p>Anyway, the fact that there is only one updater is a win for Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One central updater.. for everything !
Plus its Linux , so its not like there 's malware there anyway.I did notice one time though that the Ubuntu updater did update Firefox and a bunch of things stopped working .
I had to reboot to clear it .
I tracked it down to a library that had been updated , that apparently was confusing ld or something .
Would have been nice to have been warned...Anyway , the fact that there is only one updater is a win for Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One central updater.. for everything!
Plus its Linux, so its not like there's malware there anyway.I did notice one time though that the Ubuntu updater did update Firefox and a bunch of things stopped working.
I had to reboot to clear it.
I tracked it down to a library that had been updated, that apparently was confusing ld or something.
Would have been nice to have been warned...Anyway, the fact that there is only one updater is a win for Linux.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_179248.31630634</id>
	<title>Who cares? You're already compromised</title>
	<author>WD</author>
	<datestamp>1269633780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't get it.   If your system has had Administrator-owned files replaced with malicious versions, then your system has already been compromised!  Game over.  It's already too late.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get it .
If your system has had Administrator-owned files replaced with malicious versions , then your system has already been compromised !
Game over .
It 's already too late .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get it.
If your system has had Administrator-owned files replaced with malicious versions, then your system has already been compromised!
Game over.
It's already too late.</sentencetext>
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