<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_26_1627226</id>
	<title>China's Great Firewall Infects Other Countries</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1269625800000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/" rel="nofollow">angry tapir</a> writes <i>"A networking error has caused computers in Chile and the US to <a href="http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/340997/china\_great\_firewall\_spreads\_overseas/">come under the control of the Great Firewall of China</a>, redirecting Facebook, Twitter, and <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/25/1229229/YouTube-Is-Down">YouTube users</a> to Chinese servers. Security experts are not sure exactly how this happened, but it appears that at least one ISP recently began fetching high-level DNS information, from what's known as a root DNS server, based in China. That server, operated out of China by Swedish service provider Netnod, returned DNS information intended for Chinese users, effectively spreading China's network censorship overseas."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>angry tapir writes " A networking error has caused computers in Chile and the US to come under the control of the Great Firewall of China , redirecting Facebook , Twitter , and YouTube users to Chinese servers .
Security experts are not sure exactly how this happened , but it appears that at least one ISP recently began fetching high-level DNS information , from what 's known as a root DNS server , based in China .
That server , operated out of China by Swedish service provider Netnod , returned DNS information intended for Chinese users , effectively spreading China 's network censorship overseas .
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<sentencetext>angry tapir writes "A networking error has caused computers in Chile and the US to come under the control of the Great Firewall of China, redirecting Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube users to Chinese servers.
Security experts are not sure exactly how this happened, but it appears that at least one ISP recently began fetching high-level DNS information, from what's known as a root DNS server, based in China.
That server, operated out of China by Swedish service provider Netnod, returned DNS information intended for Chinese users, effectively spreading China's network censorship overseas.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629622</id>
	<title>China Fights Back</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269630000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fine Google you want to leave China.  Where you going to go when we take over the whole internet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fine Google you want to leave China .
Where you going to go when we take over the whole internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fine Google you want to leave China.
Where you going to go when we take over the whole internet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629696</id>
	<title>Misleading</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269630180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Misconfiguration of resolv.conf does not put China's firewall in your way.

Add yourself to the tool belt.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Misconfiguration of resolv.conf does not put China 's firewall in your way .
Add yourself to the tool belt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Misconfiguration of resolv.conf does not put China's firewall in your way.
Add yourself to the tool belt.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630186</id>
	<title>yeah i bet!!!</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1269631980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much you want to bet that this was not deliberate on their part...this is part of the whole scheme of them cyberattacking all other countries and controlling the new cyberage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much you want to bet that this was not deliberate on their part...this is part of the whole scheme of them cyberattacking all other countries and controlling the new cyberage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much you want to bet that this was not deliberate on their part...this is part of the whole scheme of them cyberattacking all other countries and controlling the new cyberage.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31633524</id>
	<title>View from inside Chile</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1269603000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live and work in Chile, and know the network problems well here. Here is my take on it.</p><p>I seen that nic.cl had several of their DNS servers that where failing about three weeks ago (I just figured someone would figure it out and fix it, guess not ). Any<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.cl using nic.cl as their primary dns server ( what most<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.cl domains use by default rather than having their own), was having failures based on which of the dns servers at nic.cl they were using (I think two of them where failing).</p><p>Here is what I seen happening. I have a U.S. server, that hosts certain<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.cl web sites. They all use my own dns servers including backups dns servers spread around the world rather than Chile's dns server. I also have most ISP in China blocked at a firewall level for spam and security reasons (I have no use for talking to China in my biz). Other companies with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.cl domains could not send mail to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.cl domains on my server, because they where failing in the reverse lookup. That got me checking their DNS server, which happened to be nic.cl directly.</p><p>Now there is only about three ISPs in Chile. Yea, there are many by different names, but they all contract or are owned by three companies with the same hardware. Basically there is VTR cable company, Telefonica, and Telmex. Almost all others that I am aware of are the same company under a diffrent name, or they buy their upstream services from them. They all seem to share lines internationally.</p><p>The unnamed service provider in this case is most likly telmexchile.cl as they are the host for nic.cl ( a guess, based on other DNS problems I have seen over the years in Chile ).</p><p>DNS issues are very common in Chile with all the isps. About 2 months ago, telefonica mis-configured their dns servers and somewhere around 60\% of all internet users, including mobile phone users (telefonica is known as movistar cell phone company) lost the ability to connect to much of the rest of the World. Telefonica is the upstream provider for many smaller ISP in Chile, and at times contracts through telmex also.</p><p>I have to run my own caching name servers for my offices in Chile, and never depend on the isp here for DNS servers because they are notorious for having caches that are more than 48 hours out of date, not to mention a lookup of domain can add as much as 5-10 seconds to a connection over just trying to get to the other side of the World to reach a foreign server. Especially for stuff that they do not have cached regularly. This has also personally led me to not trust the quality of what they are returning.</p><p>So, there is about 90\% probability that the ISP in question is either telmex in Chile or Telefonica. The other is VTR cable, and as far as I know they had nothing to do with it because they don't normally do corporate type hosting. 98\% of all internet is provided by those three sources according to a recent OECD report (not even sure what the other 2\% is they are refering to in the report. Perhaps satellite).</p><p>So, the market inbreeding has turned Chile's internet in to a very unstable and fragil set of networks in the last few years, that is essentially unregulated. For instance, during the recent earthquake, even the web site for the national police in Chile got knocked offline for over a week along with most other goverment servers.</p><p>So I do not blaim this on China so much (beyond normal things), but on the poor quality of the network administrators and the even lower quality management at the ISP. Mostly I blame this on the former government, for not regulating the ISP and instead encouraging the monopolies that have developed. This was made evident to the country when all the cell phone networks in the country failed for days after the earthquake because they failed to do things like have battery backups for the cell phone towers. I expect some serious changes are on the way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live and work in Chile , and know the network problems well here .
Here is my take on it.I seen that nic.cl had several of their DNS servers that where failing about three weeks ago ( I just figured someone would figure it out and fix it , guess not ) .
Any .cl using nic.cl as their primary dns server ( what most .cl domains use by default rather than having their own ) , was having failures based on which of the dns servers at nic.cl they were using ( I think two of them where failing ) .Here is what I seen happening .
I have a U.S. server , that hosts certain .cl web sites .
They all use my own dns servers including backups dns servers spread around the world rather than Chile 's dns server .
I also have most ISP in China blocked at a firewall level for spam and security reasons ( I have no use for talking to China in my biz ) .
Other companies with .cl domains could not send mail to .cl domains on my server , because they where failing in the reverse lookup .
That got me checking their DNS server , which happened to be nic.cl directly.Now there is only about three ISPs in Chile .
Yea , there are many by different names , but they all contract or are owned by three companies with the same hardware .
Basically there is VTR cable company , Telefonica , and Telmex .
Almost all others that I am aware of are the same company under a diffrent name , or they buy their upstream services from them .
They all seem to share lines internationally.The unnamed service provider in this case is most likly telmexchile.cl as they are the host for nic.cl ( a guess , based on other DNS problems I have seen over the years in Chile ) .DNS issues are very common in Chile with all the isps .
About 2 months ago , telefonica mis-configured their dns servers and somewhere around 60 \ % of all internet users , including mobile phone users ( telefonica is known as movistar cell phone company ) lost the ability to connect to much of the rest of the World .
Telefonica is the upstream provider for many smaller ISP in Chile , and at times contracts through telmex also.I have to run my own caching name servers for my offices in Chile , and never depend on the isp here for DNS servers because they are notorious for having caches that are more than 48 hours out of date , not to mention a lookup of domain can add as much as 5-10 seconds to a connection over just trying to get to the other side of the World to reach a foreign server .
Especially for stuff that they do not have cached regularly .
This has also personally led me to not trust the quality of what they are returning.So , there is about 90 \ % probability that the ISP in question is either telmex in Chile or Telefonica .
The other is VTR cable , and as far as I know they had nothing to do with it because they do n't normally do corporate type hosting .
98 \ % of all internet is provided by those three sources according to a recent OECD report ( not even sure what the other 2 \ % is they are refering to in the report .
Perhaps satellite ) .So , the market inbreeding has turned Chile 's internet in to a very unstable and fragil set of networks in the last few years , that is essentially unregulated .
For instance , during the recent earthquake , even the web site for the national police in Chile got knocked offline for over a week along with most other goverment servers.So I do not blaim this on China so much ( beyond normal things ) , but on the poor quality of the network administrators and the even lower quality management at the ISP .
Mostly I blame this on the former government , for not regulating the ISP and instead encouraging the monopolies that have developed .
This was made evident to the country when all the cell phone networks in the country failed for days after the earthquake because they failed to do things like have battery backups for the cell phone towers .
I expect some serious changes are on the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live and work in Chile, and know the network problems well here.
Here is my take on it.I seen that nic.cl had several of their DNS servers that where failing about three weeks ago (I just figured someone would figure it out and fix it, guess not ).
Any .cl using nic.cl as their primary dns server ( what most .cl domains use by default rather than having their own), was having failures based on which of the dns servers at nic.cl they were using (I think two of them where failing).Here is what I seen happening.
I have a U.S. server, that hosts certain .cl web sites.
They all use my own dns servers including backups dns servers spread around the world rather than Chile's dns server.
I also have most ISP in China blocked at a firewall level for spam and security reasons (I have no use for talking to China in my biz).
Other companies with .cl domains could not send mail to .cl domains on my server, because they where failing in the reverse lookup.
That got me checking their DNS server, which happened to be nic.cl directly.Now there is only about three ISPs in Chile.
Yea, there are many by different names, but they all contract or are owned by three companies with the same hardware.
Basically there is VTR cable company, Telefonica, and Telmex.
Almost all others that I am aware of are the same company under a diffrent name, or they buy their upstream services from them.
They all seem to share lines internationally.The unnamed service provider in this case is most likly telmexchile.cl as they are the host for nic.cl ( a guess, based on other DNS problems I have seen over the years in Chile ).DNS issues are very common in Chile with all the isps.
About 2 months ago, telefonica mis-configured their dns servers and somewhere around 60\% of all internet users, including mobile phone users (telefonica is known as movistar cell phone company) lost the ability to connect to much of the rest of the World.
Telefonica is the upstream provider for many smaller ISP in Chile, and at times contracts through telmex also.I have to run my own caching name servers for my offices in Chile, and never depend on the isp here for DNS servers because they are notorious for having caches that are more than 48 hours out of date, not to mention a lookup of domain can add as much as 5-10 seconds to a connection over just trying to get to the other side of the World to reach a foreign server.
Especially for stuff that they do not have cached regularly.
This has also personally led me to not trust the quality of what they are returning.So, there is about 90\% probability that the ISP in question is either telmex in Chile or Telefonica.
The other is VTR cable, and as far as I know they had nothing to do with it because they don't normally do corporate type hosting.
98\% of all internet is provided by those three sources according to a recent OECD report (not even sure what the other 2\% is they are refering to in the report.
Perhaps satellite).So, the market inbreeding has turned Chile's internet in to a very unstable and fragil set of networks in the last few years, that is essentially unregulated.
For instance, during the recent earthquake, even the web site for the national police in Chile got knocked offline for over a week along with most other goverment servers.So I do not blaim this on China so much (beyond normal things), but on the poor quality of the network administrators and the even lower quality management at the ISP.
Mostly I blame this on the former government, for not regulating the ISP and instead encouraging the monopolies that have developed.
This was made evident to the country when all the cell phone networks in the country failed for days after the earthquake because they failed to do things like have battery backups for the cell phone towers.
I expect some serious changes are on the way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31648940</id>
	<title>Re:hacker attack</title>
	<author>linhux</author>
	<datestamp>1269803700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If they hack the DNS servers, we're talking about a massive ability to steal passwords, since https is based on domain name and not IP address.</p></div><p>SSL uses domain names for verification, but it does not rely on them for authentication. If you hijack an SSL-enabled website, you would also need to steel their private key.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they hack the DNS servers , we 're talking about a massive ability to steal passwords , since https is based on domain name and not IP address.SSL uses domain names for verification , but it does not rely on them for authentication .
If you hijack an SSL-enabled website , you would also need to steel their private key .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they hack the DNS servers, we're talking about a massive ability to steal passwords, since https is based on domain name and not IP address.SSL uses domain names for verification, but it does not rely on them for authentication.
If you hijack an SSL-enabled website, you would also need to steel their private key.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630490</id>
	<title>Re:I am not a fan of the USA gov't</title>
	<author>buswolley</author>
	<datestamp>1269633120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>bullshi+.

Bush, Reagan were huge debt creators. Now you blame Obama for the increase in debt when the bailout was designed by Bush in the first place, and also necessary to keep this economy from falling flat on its face by the greedy, uncontrolled and short-sighted bankers.

The war? How expensive has that been?

Besides, healthcare is national defense and will reduce abortions by providing effective birth control to women more often. Bug the f off.</htmltext>
<tokenext>bullshi + .
Bush , Reagan were huge debt creators .
Now you blame Obama for the increase in debt when the bailout was designed by Bush in the first place , and also necessary to keep this economy from falling flat on its face by the greedy , uncontrolled and short-sighted bankers .
The war ?
How expensive has that been ?
Besides , healthcare is national defense and will reduce abortions by providing effective birth control to women more often .
Bug the f off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>bullshi+.
Bush, Reagan were huge debt creators.
Now you blame Obama for the increase in debt when the bailout was designed by Bush in the first place, and also necessary to keep this economy from falling flat on its face by the greedy, uncontrolled and short-sighted bankers.
The war?
How expensive has that been?
Besides, healthcare is national defense and will reduce abortions by providing effective birth control to women more often.
Bug the f off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629830</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31633418</id>
	<title>Re:Problems like this should be prevented</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269602400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1b) Don't allow unfiltered BGP updates from countries or companies you don't want running a DNS root server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1b ) Do n't allow unfiltered BGP updates from countries or companies you do n't want running a DNS root server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1b) Don't allow unfiltered BGP updates from countries or companies you don't want running a DNS root server.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630030</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629776</id>
	<title>Maintaining the Great Firewall</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1269630480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(Firewall is subverted...)<br>Damn you cyber-Mongorians!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( Firewall is subverted... ) Damn you cyber-Mongorians !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Firewall is subverted...)Damn you cyber-Mongorians!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31631314</id>
	<title>Re:Pfft.</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1269636480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not really surprising, because the root DNS servers are not yet all signed with DNSSEC and Verisign is dragging its heels when it comes to implementing DNSSEC in the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com domain.  Apparently there isn't much real-world use for DNSSEC.  Nice to have a concrete counter-example - thanks China.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really surprising , because the root DNS servers are not yet all signed with DNSSEC and Verisign is dragging its heels when it comes to implementing DNSSEC in the .com domain .
Apparently there is n't much real-world use for DNSSEC .
Nice to have a concrete counter-example - thanks China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really surprising, because the root DNS servers are not yet all signed with DNSSEC and Verisign is dragging its heels when it comes to implementing DNSSEC in the .com domain.
Apparently there isn't much real-world use for DNSSEC.
Nice to have a concrete counter-example - thanks China.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629480</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31647984</id>
	<title>Re:I am not a fan of the USA gov't</title>
	<author>DeadChobi</author>
	<datestamp>1269797100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I daresay that it wasn't deregulation that got us into this mess, but rather the mandate that housing is a right. Our government let us down when they decided that it didn't need to make financial sense for a person to own a home, only that they needed to want it badly enough and they could get a loan.</p><p>The shocker is that we're doing the same thing to healthcare and my children will be paying for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I daresay that it was n't deregulation that got us into this mess , but rather the mandate that housing is a right .
Our government let us down when they decided that it did n't need to make financial sense for a person to own a home , only that they needed to want it badly enough and they could get a loan.The shocker is that we 're doing the same thing to healthcare and my children will be paying for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I daresay that it wasn't deregulation that got us into this mess, but rather the mandate that housing is a right.
Our government let us down when they decided that it didn't need to make financial sense for a person to own a home, only that they needed to want it badly enough and they could get a loan.The shocker is that we're doing the same thing to healthcare and my children will be paying for it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31632094</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629480</id>
	<title>Pfft.</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1269629520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>And their firewalls didn't detect the melamine in the imported DNS records? Pitiful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And their firewalls did n't detect the melamine in the imported DNS records ?
Pitiful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And their firewalls didn't detect the melamine in the imported DNS records?
Pitiful.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31631262</id>
	<title>what a firewall.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269636300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Soviet Russia, Firewall misconfigures you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Soviet Russia , Firewall misconfigures you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Soviet Russia, Firewall misconfigures you!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630184</id>
	<title>in China....</title>
	<author>idji</author>
	<datestamp>1269631980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Firewall burns you!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Firewall burns you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firewall burns you!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31631626</id>
	<title>djbdns</title>
	<author>derby604</author>
	<datestamp>1269594600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am secretly hoping this was a Bind error wishing everyone would switch to the far superior <a href="http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html" title="cr.yp.to" rel="nofollow">http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html</a> [cr.yp.to]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am secretly hoping this was a Bind error wishing everyone would switch to the far superior http : //cr.yp.to/djbdns.html [ cr.yp.to ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am secretly hoping this was a Bind error wishing everyone would switch to the far superior http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html [cr.yp.to]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630068</id>
	<title>ancient chinese secret, huh?</title>
	<author>fak3r</author>
	<datestamp>1269631560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ancient chinese secret, huh?</htmltext>
<tokenext>ancient chinese secret , huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ancient chinese secret, huh?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31632962</id>
	<title>Re:The issue I have...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269600060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...Close off internet to China and see how they like it - after all, the TLD's are controlled by the U.S.</p></div><p>... please hand in your geek badge</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...Close off internet to China and see how they like it - after all , the TLD 's are controlled by the U.S.... please hand in your geek badge</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Close off internet to China and see how they like it - after all, the TLD's are controlled by the U.S.... please hand in your geek badge
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629854</id>
	<title>I think this is a shot across teh bow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269630720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>China wants to rule the world. (Or at least make sure they make money somehow everywhere.)  I can see the Chinese - all using Red Flag Linux (or some pirated copy of Wintendo) - gathering together to control all DNS machines.  This was a warning - mess with us and we take your DNS down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>China wants to rule the world .
( Or at least make sure they make money somehow everywhere .
) I can see the Chinese - all using Red Flag Linux ( or some pirated copy of Wintendo ) - gathering together to control all DNS machines .
This was a warning - mess with us and we take your DNS down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China wants to rule the world.
(Or at least make sure they make money somehow everywhere.
)  I can see the Chinese - all using Red Flag Linux (or some pirated copy of Wintendo) - gathering together to control all DNS machines.
This was a warning - mess with us and we take your DNS down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31651062</id>
	<title>Re:Now...</title>
	<author>jon3k</author>
	<datestamp>1269775620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that's the best part -- all this wealth is in US debt.  now if the US fails the Chinese lose trillions of dollars.  The americans aren't dumb, they just sold the Chinese the greatest and most expensive insurance policy in history FOR THEMSELVES and the Chinese bought it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  pretty brilliant if you ask me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's the best part -- all this wealth is in US debt .
now if the US fails the Chinese lose trillions of dollars .
The americans are n't dumb , they just sold the Chinese the greatest and most expensive insurance policy in history FOR THEMSELVES and the Chinese bought it : ) pretty brilliant if you ask me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's the best part -- all this wealth is in US debt.
now if the US fails the Chinese lose trillions of dollars.
The americans aren't dumb, they just sold the Chinese the greatest and most expensive insurance policy in history FOR THEMSELVES and the Chinese bought it :)  pretty brilliant if you ask me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630290</id>
	<title>OT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269632340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe offtopic, but how does DNCSEC affect DNS level censorship?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe offtopic , but how does DNCSEC affect DNS level censorship ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe offtopic, but how does DNCSEC affect DNS level censorship?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629830</id>
	<title>Re:I am not a fan of the USA gov't</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269630660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>US Government isn't capitalist. With Obama and GWB and Clinton taking over larger and larger parts of the economy, I dare say it is officially socialistic. Capitalism is dead, and we're enslaving our children in unsustainable debt.</p><p>But hey, if you like that kind of "compassionate governance" great. I happen to not like it much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>US Government is n't capitalist .
With Obama and GWB and Clinton taking over larger and larger parts of the economy , I dare say it is officially socialistic .
Capitalism is dead , and we 're enslaving our children in unsustainable debt.But hey , if you like that kind of " compassionate governance " great .
I happen to not like it much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>US Government isn't capitalist.
With Obama and GWB and Clinton taking over larger and larger parts of the economy, I dare say it is officially socialistic.
Capitalism is dead, and we're enslaving our children in unsustainable debt.But hey, if you like that kind of "compassionate governance" great.
I happen to not like it much.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629512</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31631834</id>
	<title>China China China</title>
	<author>cekander</author>
	<datestamp>1269595440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What gives with the media these days?<br>
It's all too clear. Kinda like the cold war with Russia. <br>
Except it's the Virtual War with China. Are yall ready for the next big pseudo war?<br>
Arguably a war worth fighting, but at cost? Could this get ugly?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What gives with the media these days ?
It 's all too clear .
Kinda like the cold war with Russia .
Except it 's the Virtual War with China .
Are yall ready for the next big pseudo war ?
Arguably a war worth fighting , but at cost ?
Could this get ugly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What gives with the media these days?
It's all too clear.
Kinda like the cold war with Russia.
Except it's the Virtual War with China.
Are yall ready for the next big pseudo war?
Arguably a war worth fighting, but at cost?
Could this get ugly?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31631148</id>
	<title>Net views censorship as damage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269635880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember <a href="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John\_Gilmore" title="wikiquote.org">that quote</a> [wikiquote.org]? "The Net views censorship as damage and, sometimes, routes <strong>into</strong> it..."</p><blockquote><div><p>That server, operated out of China by Swedish service provider Netnod</p></div></blockquote><p>Oh, yes, another one of those "<strong>Why can't we be more like Europe?!</strong>" moments...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember that quote [ wikiquote.org ] ?
" The Net views censorship as damage and , sometimes , routes into it... " That server , operated out of China by Swedish service provider NetnodOh , yes , another one of those " Why ca n't we be more like Europe ? !
" moments.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember that quote [wikiquote.org]?
"The Net views censorship as damage and, sometimes, routes into it..."That server, operated out of China by Swedish service provider NetnodOh, yes, another one of those "Why can't we be more like Europe?!
" moments...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630338</id>
	<title>Re:Problems like this should be prevented</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269632520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But problems of other types should be allowed?</p><p>thank you Captain Obvious</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But problems of other types should be allowed ? thank you Captain Obvious</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But problems of other types should be allowed?thank you Captain Obvious</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630030</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31631798</id>
	<title>Re:I am not a fan of the USA gov't</title>
	<author>bigmattana</author>
	<datestamp>1269595320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is pretty misleading.  Total government spending went up pretty much lineraly at the same rate during both the Reagan and Clinton years.<br>
<a href="http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart\_gs.php?year=1980\_2000&amp;view=1&amp;expand=&amp;units=b&amp;fy=fy11&amp;chart=F1-total&amp;bar=0&amp;stack=1&amp;size=m&amp;title=&amp;state=US&amp;color=c&amp;local=s" title="usgovernmentspending.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart\_gs.php?year=1980\_2000&amp;view=1&amp;expand=&amp;units=b&amp;fy=fy11&amp;chart=F1-total&amp;bar=0&amp;stack=1&amp;size=m&amp;title=&amp;state=US&amp;color=c&amp;local=s</a> [usgovernmentspending.com] <br>
In comparison to GDP, it did go down somewhat during the Clinton years:<br>
<a href="http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart\_gs.php?year=1980\_2000&amp;view=1&amp;expand=&amp;units=p&amp;fy=fy11&amp;chart=F1-total&amp;bar=0&amp;stack=1&amp;size=m&amp;title=&amp;state=US&amp;color=c&amp;local=s" title="usgovernmentspending.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart\_gs.php?year=1980\_2000&amp;view=1&amp;expand=&amp;units=p&amp;fy=fy11&amp;chart=F1-total&amp;bar=0&amp;stack=1&amp;size=m&amp;title=&amp;state=US&amp;color=c&amp;local=s</a> [usgovernmentspending.com] <br>
But what really helped as far as the debt there was increased income tax rates and more money being made in the private sector.<br>
Now, spending during Bush per GDP actually pretty much flatlined until 2006/2007.  Does anyone know what happened then?<br>
<a href="http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart\_gs.php?year=2000\_2010&amp;view=1&amp;expand=&amp;units=p&amp;fy=fy11&amp;chart=F1-total&amp;bar=0&amp;stack=1&amp;size=m&amp;title=&amp;state=US&amp;color=c&amp;local=s" title="usgovernmentspending.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart\_gs.php?year=2000\_2010&amp;view=1&amp;expand=&amp;units=p&amp;fy=fy11&amp;chart=F1-total&amp;bar=0&amp;stack=1&amp;size=m&amp;title=&amp;state=US&amp;color=c&amp;local=s</a> [usgovernmentspending.com]
<br> <br>
Your point that both Bush and Reagan were big spenders compared to what they claimed is true, but you can't deny that the current administration is making no effort to reduce the debt, and it is exploding way faster than any previous president with no end in sight, while we are losing the surpluses of Social Security and Medicare that we had in the past.  We can debate the past all we want but no one is going to change sides.  I personally think it is worth noting that most of the companies that created the tech boom of the 90s really started in the 80s, and that the tech boom and Bill Gates had more to do with the Economic boom and surpluses of the 90s than did Bill Clinton.  You would probably disagree.  But surely we can all agree that we are headed in the wrong direction.  If spending does not drastically slow down soon, we will be past the point of no return to becoming an insolvent nation within this decade.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is pretty misleading .
Total government spending went up pretty much lineraly at the same rate during both the Reagan and Clinton years .
http : //www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart \ _gs.php ? year = 1980 \ _2000&amp;view = 1&amp;expand = &amp;units = b&amp;fy = fy11&amp;chart = F1-total&amp;bar = 0&amp;stack = 1&amp;size = m&amp;title = &amp;state = US&amp;color = c&amp;local = s [ usgovernmentspending.com ] In comparison to GDP , it did go down somewhat during the Clinton years : http : //www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart \ _gs.php ? year = 1980 \ _2000&amp;view = 1&amp;expand = &amp;units = p&amp;fy = fy11&amp;chart = F1-total&amp;bar = 0&amp;stack = 1&amp;size = m&amp;title = &amp;state = US&amp;color = c&amp;local = s [ usgovernmentspending.com ] But what really helped as far as the debt there was increased income tax rates and more money being made in the private sector .
Now , spending during Bush per GDP actually pretty much flatlined until 2006/2007 .
Does anyone know what happened then ?
http : //www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart \ _gs.php ? year = 2000 \ _2010&amp;view = 1&amp;expand = &amp;units = p&amp;fy = fy11&amp;chart = F1-total&amp;bar = 0&amp;stack = 1&amp;size = m&amp;title = &amp;state = US&amp;color = c&amp;local = s [ usgovernmentspending.com ] Your point that both Bush and Reagan were big spenders compared to what they claimed is true , but you ca n't deny that the current administration is making no effort to reduce the debt , and it is exploding way faster than any previous president with no end in sight , while we are losing the surpluses of Social Security and Medicare that we had in the past .
We can debate the past all we want but no one is going to change sides .
I personally think it is worth noting that most of the companies that created the tech boom of the 90s really started in the 80s , and that the tech boom and Bill Gates had more to do with the Economic boom and surpluses of the 90s than did Bill Clinton .
You would probably disagree .
But surely we can all agree that we are headed in the wrong direction .
If spending does not drastically slow down soon , we will be past the point of no return to becoming an insolvent nation within this decade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is pretty misleading.
Total government spending went up pretty much lineraly at the same rate during both the Reagan and Clinton years.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart\_gs.php?year=1980\_2000&amp;view=1&amp;expand=&amp;units=b&amp;fy=fy11&amp;chart=F1-total&amp;bar=0&amp;stack=1&amp;size=m&amp;title=&amp;state=US&amp;color=c&amp;local=s [usgovernmentspending.com] 
In comparison to GDP, it did go down somewhat during the Clinton years:
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart\_gs.php?year=1980\_2000&amp;view=1&amp;expand=&amp;units=p&amp;fy=fy11&amp;chart=F1-total&amp;bar=0&amp;stack=1&amp;size=m&amp;title=&amp;state=US&amp;color=c&amp;local=s [usgovernmentspending.com] 
But what really helped as far as the debt there was increased income tax rates and more money being made in the private sector.
Now, spending during Bush per GDP actually pretty much flatlined until 2006/2007.
Does anyone know what happened then?
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart\_gs.php?year=2000\_2010&amp;view=1&amp;expand=&amp;units=p&amp;fy=fy11&amp;chart=F1-total&amp;bar=0&amp;stack=1&amp;size=m&amp;title=&amp;state=US&amp;color=c&amp;local=s [usgovernmentspending.com]
 
Your point that both Bush and Reagan were big spenders compared to what they claimed is true, but you can't deny that the current administration is making no effort to reduce the debt, and it is exploding way faster than any previous president with no end in sight, while we are losing the surpluses of Social Security and Medicare that we had in the past.
We can debate the past all we want but no one is going to change sides.
I personally think it is worth noting that most of the companies that created the tech boom of the 90s really started in the 80s, and that the tech boom and Bill Gates had more to do with the Economic boom and surpluses of the 90s than did Bill Clinton.
You would probably disagree.
But surely we can all agree that we are headed in the wrong direction.
If spending does not drastically slow down soon, we will be past the point of no return to becoming an insolvent nation within this decade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629492</id>
	<title>Now...</title>
	<author>courteaudotbiz</author>
	<datestamp>1269629520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now will somebody tell them to keep their sh*t for them? Or are we too weak to talk frankly to Chinese authorities?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now will somebody tell them to keep their sh * t for them ?
Or are we too weak to talk frankly to Chinese authorities ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now will somebody tell them to keep their sh*t for them?
Or are we too weak to talk frankly to Chinese authorities?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630122</id>
	<title>Re:I am not a fan of the USA gov't</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269631800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's funny, because the Reagan years spent more than compared to the GDP than Clinton or GWB but you I happen to like those kind of "facts". In the Clinton years spending v GDP went down quite a bit. The only time our debt has gone down since that giant "debt clock" thing was built was under Clinton.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's funny , because the Reagan years spent more than compared to the GDP than Clinton or GWB but you I happen to like those kind of " facts " .
In the Clinton years spending v GDP went down quite a bit .
The only time our debt has gone down since that giant " debt clock " thing was built was under Clinton .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's funny, because the Reagan years spent more than compared to the GDP than Clinton or GWB but you I happen to like those kind of "facts".
In the Clinton years spending v GDP went down quite a bit.
The only time our debt has gone down since that giant "debt clock" thing was built was under Clinton.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629960</id>
	<title>Re:I am not a fan of the USA gov't</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269631080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does Fox know your not watching them? Kindly leave as we'll never get the smell of stupid out of the Slashdot couch...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does Fox know your not watching them ?
Kindly leave as we 'll never get the smell of stupid out of the Slashdot couch.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does Fox know your not watching them?
Kindly leave as we'll never get the smell of stupid out of the Slashdot couch...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31632094</id>
	<title>Re:I am not a fan of the USA gov't</title>
	<author>bigmattana</author>
	<datestamp>1269596460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"Besides, healthcare is national defense and will reduce abortions"</i> <br>
What?   I do not follow this logic or see what it has to do with government spending.<br>
<br>
<i>"Now you blame Obama for the increase in debt when the bailout was designed by Bush in the first place"</i> <br>
The bailout was necessary, but implementation was rushed, ineffective, and more expensive than it should have been.  That it was  caused in any way by Bush is almost laughable, but at the very least debatable.  Economic policies and deregulation that got us to that point happened mostly in the 90s under the pretense of helping low-income families obtain mortgages.   As soon as these were passed in the late 90s, the housing bubble began to build.  <a href="http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeqrguz/housingbubble/" title="verizon.net" rel="nofollow">http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeqrguz/housingbubble/</a> [verizon.net]    <br>
The fallout in 2008 was a result of this bubble finally bursting.  It was worse than the tech bubble bursting in the late 90s because it affected securities that have always been considered safe by institutional investors.<br>
<br>
The bailout is only part of the spending increases under Obama, which together dwarf the $1Trillion expense of the war.  (Which Obama is continuing and actually spending more on.)   The other huge part is the stimulus bill which was mostly ineffective (what do you expect from a package special interest pork disguised as a stimulus bill?) and our jobless rate is worst that what was predicted by the administration if the bill were never passed.<br>
<br>
<br>
I get your frustration.  Obama did not get us to this point and should not be given all the blame.   But he sure seems to be doing a great job at making it worse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Besides , healthcare is national defense and will reduce abortions " What ?
I do not follow this logic or see what it has to do with government spending .
" Now you blame Obama for the increase in debt when the bailout was designed by Bush in the first place " The bailout was necessary , but implementation was rushed , ineffective , and more expensive than it should have been .
That it was caused in any way by Bush is almost laughable , but at the very least debatable .
Economic policies and deregulation that got us to that point happened mostly in the 90s under the pretense of helping low-income families obtain mortgages .
As soon as these were passed in the late 90s , the housing bubble began to build .
http : //mysite.verizon.net/vzeqrguz/housingbubble/ [ verizon.net ] The fallout in 2008 was a result of this bubble finally bursting .
It was worse than the tech bubble bursting in the late 90s because it affected securities that have always been considered safe by institutional investors .
The bailout is only part of the spending increases under Obama , which together dwarf the $ 1Trillion expense of the war .
( Which Obama is continuing and actually spending more on .
) The other huge part is the stimulus bill which was mostly ineffective ( what do you expect from a package special interest pork disguised as a stimulus bill ?
) and our jobless rate is worst that what was predicted by the administration if the bill were never passed .
I get your frustration .
Obama did not get us to this point and should not be given all the blame .
But he sure seems to be doing a great job at making it worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Besides, healthcare is national defense and will reduce abortions" 
What?
I do not follow this logic or see what it has to do with government spending.
"Now you blame Obama for the increase in debt when the bailout was designed by Bush in the first place" 
The bailout was necessary, but implementation was rushed, ineffective, and more expensive than it should have been.
That it was  caused in any way by Bush is almost laughable, but at the very least debatable.
Economic policies and deregulation that got us to that point happened mostly in the 90s under the pretense of helping low-income families obtain mortgages.
As soon as these were passed in the late 90s, the housing bubble began to build.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeqrguz/housingbubble/ [verizon.net]    
The fallout in 2008 was a result of this bubble finally bursting.
It was worse than the tech bubble bursting in the late 90s because it affected securities that have always been considered safe by institutional investors.
The bailout is only part of the spending increases under Obama, which together dwarf the $1Trillion expense of the war.
(Which Obama is continuing and actually spending more on.
)   The other huge part is the stimulus bill which was mostly ineffective (what do you expect from a package special interest pork disguised as a stimulus bill?
) and our jobless rate is worst that what was predicted by the administration if the bill were never passed.
I get your frustration.
Obama did not get us to this point and should not be given all the blame.
But he sure seems to be doing a great job at making it worse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31638694</id>
	<title>Re:The issue I have...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269697380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China is the largest country in the world. It stands to reason that more problems would emanate from there than anywhere else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China is the largest country in the world .
It stands to reason that more problems would emanate from there than anywhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China is the largest country in the world.
It stands to reason that more problems would emanate from there than anywhere else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630518</id>
	<title>The issue I have...</title>
	<author>XB-70</author>
	<datestamp>1269633240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>is that all the problems with China seem to be one way. We don't hear of Chinese complaining about melamine in products from Western countries. It always seems to be about hacking, cheating, deception, malfaisance, obfuscation, corruption and blackmail.
<p>Heck, even Dell is pulling out.
</p><p>So, because the Chinese persist in behaving badly it's time for internet war. Let's band together and shut 'em down. Close off internet to China and see how they like it - after all, the TLD's are controlled by the U.S. As to messaging etc. they can phone and fax.
</p><p>Sorry for such a rant but there has got to be a consequence for the level and voracity of the issues and problems that emanate from China - especially when the government there is never responsible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is that all the problems with China seem to be one way .
We do n't hear of Chinese complaining about melamine in products from Western countries .
It always seems to be about hacking , cheating , deception , malfaisance , obfuscation , corruption and blackmail .
Heck , even Dell is pulling out .
So , because the Chinese persist in behaving badly it 's time for internet war .
Let 's band together and shut 'em down .
Close off internet to China and see how they like it - after all , the TLD 's are controlled by the U.S. As to messaging etc .
they can phone and fax .
Sorry for such a rant but there has got to be a consequence for the level and voracity of the issues and problems that emanate from China - especially when the government there is never responsible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is that all the problems with China seem to be one way.
We don't hear of Chinese complaining about melamine in products from Western countries.
It always seems to be about hacking, cheating, deception, malfaisance, obfuscation, corruption and blackmail.
Heck, even Dell is pulling out.
So, because the Chinese persist in behaving badly it's time for internet war.
Let's band together and shut 'em down.
Close off internet to China and see how they like it - after all, the TLD's are controlled by the U.S. As to messaging etc.
they can phone and fax.
Sorry for such a rant but there has got to be a consequence for the level and voracity of the issues and problems that emanate from China - especially when the government there is never responsible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31631040</id>
	<title>Re:hacker attack</title>
	<author>Spad</author>
	<datestamp>1269635520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not so much a matter of things being "pointed" anywhere, more a side-effect of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast#Use\_in\_DNS" title="wikipedia.org">anycasting the root DNS servers</a> [wikipedia.org] so that if your current routing happens to put root servers in China as closer than any others, you'll get your results returned from them.</p><p>Of course, one could argue that countries shouldn't be allowed to mess with root DNS servers that they host and have them return invalid addresses for valid domains, but that's besides the point here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not so much a matter of things being " pointed " anywhere , more a side-effect of anycasting the root DNS servers [ wikipedia.org ] so that if your current routing happens to put root servers in China as closer than any others , you 'll get your results returned from them.Of course , one could argue that countries should n't be allowed to mess with root DNS servers that they host and have them return invalid addresses for valid domains , but that 's besides the point here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not so much a matter of things being "pointed" anywhere, more a side-effect of anycasting the root DNS servers [wikipedia.org] so that if your current routing happens to put root servers in China as closer than any others, you'll get your results returned from them.Of course, one could argue that countries shouldn't be allowed to mess with root DNS servers that they host and have them return invalid addresses for valid domains, but that's besides the point here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31651148</id>
	<title>Re:hacker attack</title>
	<author>jon3k</author>
	<datestamp>1269776400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>haha what?  wow take off the tin foil hate dude.  the chinese intercept dns requests.  it's part of the great firewall of china.  i.root-servers.net is one of the root servers and some ISP DNS servers in other countries query it (oh probably i dont know, 1 out of 13 times, give or take?).  see where this is going?  affecting anything outside of china was completely inadvertent, not that they care.</htmltext>
<tokenext>haha what ?
wow take off the tin foil hate dude .
the chinese intercept dns requests .
it 's part of the great firewall of china .
i.root-servers.net is one of the root servers and some ISP DNS servers in other countries query it ( oh probably i dont know , 1 out of 13 times , give or take ? ) .
see where this is going ?
affecting anything outside of china was completely inadvertent , not that they care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>haha what?
wow take off the tin foil hate dude.
the chinese intercept dns requests.
it's part of the great firewall of china.
i.root-servers.net is one of the root servers and some ISP DNS servers in other countries query it (oh probably i dont know, 1 out of 13 times, give or take?).
see where this is going?
affecting anything outside of china was completely inadvertent, not that they care.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629740</id>
	<title>Re:Uh Huh</title>
	<author>Z00L00K</author>
	<datestamp>1269630360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't say that I'm surprised that it did happen.</p><p>Especially now when Google has decided to pull out. And China does have an urge to control any information that they don't like. Which would be the majority of the internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't say that I 'm surprised that it did happen.Especially now when Google has decided to pull out .
And China does have an urge to control any information that they do n't like .
Which would be the majority of the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't say that I'm surprised that it did happen.Especially now when Google has decided to pull out.
And China does have an urge to control any information that they don't like.
Which would be the majority of the internet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31652484</id>
	<title>Re:OT</title>
	<author>ekhben</author>
	<datestamp>1269788700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In principle, DNSSEC prevents this form of attack because you cannot form a chain of trust through a hijacked answer.

</p><p>In practice, no-one checks the result for a signature failure, because it's Hard to know what the right thing is to do, and it's Pointless until the roots are signed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In principle , DNSSEC prevents this form of attack because you can not form a chain of trust through a hijacked answer .
In practice , no-one checks the result for a signature failure , because it 's Hard to know what the right thing is to do , and it 's Pointless until the roots are signed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In principle, DNSSEC prevents this form of attack because you cannot form a chain of trust through a hijacked answer.
In practice, no-one checks the result for a signature failure, because it's Hard to know what the right thing is to do, and it's Pointless until the roots are signed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630290</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629876</id>
	<title>this gives me an idea....</title>
	<author>datapharmer</author>
	<datestamp>1269630840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>So if the entire world's DNS resolved to the Chinese firewall simultaneously would it DOS them to oblivion and end these shenanigans?  I'd give up a day of using the internet to see that go down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So if the entire world 's DNS resolved to the Chinese firewall simultaneously would it DOS them to oblivion and end these shenanigans ?
I 'd give up a day of using the internet to see that go down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if the entire world's DNS resolved to the Chinese firewall simultaneously would it DOS them to oblivion and end these shenanigans?
I'd give up a day of using the internet to see that go down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31651084</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading</title>
	<author>jon3k</author>
	<datestamp>1269775920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So when I put my ISPs name server in my resolv.conf and they (using the default bind configuration) query the i.root-server.net which is then filtered by the Chinese firewall - that's MY fault?
<br> <br>
ooooooooooookie dokie.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So when I put my ISPs name server in my resolv.conf and they ( using the default bind configuration ) query the i.root-server.net which is then filtered by the Chinese firewall - that 's MY fault ?
ooooooooooookie dokie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So when I put my ISPs name server in my resolv.conf and they (using the default bind configuration) query the i.root-server.net which is then filtered by the Chinese firewall - that's MY fault?
ooooooooooookie dokie.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629696</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31635696</id>
	<title>Re:this gives me an idea....</title>
	<author>anarche</author>
	<datestamp>1269616200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i'm in for that!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i 'm in for that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i'm in for that!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629876</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31636176</id>
	<title>In A.D. 2010...</title>
	<author>kelanden</author>
	<datestamp>1269619620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>War was beginning...</p><p>(Obligatory humor: <a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jonathan.deboynepollard/Humour/somebody-set-up-us-the-bind.html" title="ntlworld.com" rel="nofollow">Somebody set up us the BIND</a> [ntlworld.com]).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>War was beginning... ( Obligatory humor : Somebody set up us the BIND [ ntlworld.com ] ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>War was beginning...(Obligatory humor: Somebody set up us the BIND [ntlworld.com]).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629768</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31645312</id>
	<title>Re:Uh Huh</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269714240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <strong>Chilean</strong> official: "Whoops..." (with big grin on face).</p></div><p>There, fixed that for ya.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chilean official : " Whoops... " ( with big grin on face ) .There , fixed that for ya .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Chilean official: "Whoops..." (with big grin on face).There, fixed that for ya.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31632488</id>
	<title>Re:Uh Huh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269598020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, China accidentally...... had swedish DNS and US/Chile ISPs accidentally route through Chinese servers? Pretty sure the Chinese government can't control stupidity, unless you are suggesting that they have mind control abilities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , China accidentally...... had swedish DNS and US/Chile ISPs accidentally route through Chinese servers ?
Pretty sure the Chinese government ca n't control stupidity , unless you are suggesting that they have mind control abilities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, China accidentally...... had swedish DNS and US/Chile ISPs accidentally route through Chinese servers?
Pretty sure the Chinese government can't control stupidity, unless you are suggesting that they have mind control abilities.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629464</id>
	<title>The Swedes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269629460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why am I not surprised?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why am I not surprised ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why am I not surprised?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31637760</id>
	<title>Re:The issue I have...</title>
	<author>labotux</author>
	<datestamp>1269682320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't be so brainwashed, will you ?
the american media complaining about China doesn't mean Chinese media doesn't about US.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't be so brainwashed , will you ?
the american media complaining about China does n't mean Chinese media does n't about US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't be so brainwashed, will you ?
the american media complaining about China doesn't mean Chinese media doesn't about US.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629902</id>
	<title>Completely unintentional</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1269630900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>US DNS servers magically start pulling DNS data from chinese servers? Uh huh. Completely an "accident".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>US DNS servers magically start pulling DNS data from chinese servers ?
Uh huh .
Completely an " accident " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>US DNS servers magically start pulling DNS data from chinese servers?
Uh huh.
Completely an "accident".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31633840</id>
	<title>Re:The issue I have...</title>
	<author>RoboRay</author>
	<datestamp>1269604860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, the Chinese government does not desire to simply cut off all access to the outside world.  If they wanted to do that, they could do it themselves, <b>today</b>.</p><p>They <b>want</b> access, and more, they <b>need</b> access, as it is essential to them growing their economy.</p><p>What they <b>actually</b> want is total control over that access.  And now they are releasing yet another poison out into the rest of the world.  Shutting them down would be a very good thing.  Payback is a bitch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the Chinese government does not desire to simply cut off all access to the outside world .
If they wanted to do that , they could do it themselves , today.They want access , and more , they need access , as it is essential to them growing their economy.What they actually want is total control over that access .
And now they are releasing yet another poison out into the rest of the world .
Shutting them down would be a very good thing .
Payback is a bitch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the Chinese government does not desire to simply cut off all access to the outside world.
If they wanted to do that, they could do it themselves, today.They want access, and more, they need access, as it is essential to them growing their economy.What they actually want is total control over that access.
And now they are releasing yet another poison out into the rest of the world.
Shutting them down would be a very good thing.
Payback is a bitch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31631036</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31631036</id>
	<title>Re:The issue I have...</title>
	<author>jizziknight</author>
	<datestamp>1269635520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except that the Chinese government would be perfectly happy to be cut off from the rest of the Internet. If we cut them off, they can just blame it on the US and claim they've done nothing to censor anything. You'd be giving them exactly what they wanted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that the Chinese government would be perfectly happy to be cut off from the rest of the Internet .
If we cut them off , they can just blame it on the US and claim they 've done nothing to censor anything .
You 'd be giving them exactly what they wanted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that the Chinese government would be perfectly happy to be cut off from the rest of the Internet.
If we cut them off, they can just blame it on the US and claim they've done nothing to censor anything.
You'd be giving them exactly what they wanted.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31645328</id>
	<title>Re:this gives me an idea....</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269714360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with your logic is, that if we stopped, it would work again.<br>And if we wouldn&rsquo;t stop, nobody would have Internet. Not us, and not the Chinese people.</p><p>I think a botnet, DOSing them, makes more sense, and is already done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with your logic is , that if we stopped , it would work again.And if we wouldn    t stop , nobody would have Internet .
Not us , and not the Chinese people.I think a botnet , DOSing them , makes more sense , and is already done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with your logic is, that if we stopped, it would work again.And if we wouldn’t stop, nobody would have Internet.
Not us, and not the Chinese people.I think a botnet, DOSing them, makes more sense, and is already done.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629876</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31644532</id>
	<title>Re:Uh Huh</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1269704400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And however this happened, it's plausible that now China looks like it's throwing a tizzy at getting stood up to on censorship by Google.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And however this happened , it 's plausible that now China looks like it 's throwing a tizzy at getting stood up to on censorship by Google .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And however this happened, it's plausible that now China looks like it's throwing a tizzy at getting stood up to on censorship by Google.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629740</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629662</id>
	<title>Nice headline</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1269630120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The headlines now tell you absolutely nothing about the actual stories.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The headlines now tell you absolutely nothing about the actual stories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The headlines now tell you absolutely nothing about the actual stories.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629462</id>
	<title>Uh Huh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269629460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chinese official: "Whoops..." (with big grin on face).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chinese official : " Whoops... " ( with big grin on face ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chinese official: "Whoops..." (with big grin on face).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629540</id>
	<title>Rearry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269629700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't know there were loot dns selvers in China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't know there were loot dns selvers in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't know there were loot dns selvers in China.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629900</id>
	<title>Big names having problems</title>
	<author>fremsley471</author>
	<datestamp>1269630900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Youtube, Wikipedia and hell even Slashdot have had access problems this week.  6th form conspiracy theorist asks "Is 'something' is going on"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Youtube , Wikipedia and hell even Slashdot have had access problems this week .
6th form conspiracy theorist asks " Is 'something ' is going on " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Youtube, Wikipedia and hell even Slashdot have had access problems this week.
6th form conspiracy theorist asks "Is 'something' is going on"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629954</id>
	<title>Re:Now...</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1269631080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there a site somewhere which lists the companies willing to assist China (and other equally repressive countries)?  I'm not in Sweden but if it turned out for example that a UK based company was helping them block access to Google or whatever then I'd take my business elsewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there a site somewhere which lists the companies willing to assist China ( and other equally repressive countries ) ?
I 'm not in Sweden but if it turned out for example that a UK based company was helping them block access to Google or whatever then I 'd take my business elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there a site somewhere which lists the companies willing to assist China (and other equally repressive countries)?
I'm not in Sweden but if it turned out for example that a UK based company was helping them block access to Google or whatever then I'd take my business elsewhere.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629492</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630152</id>
	<title>The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269631860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it"</p><p>- John Gilmore</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it " - John Gilmore</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it"- John Gilmore</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630030</id>
	<title>Problems like this should be prevented</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269631380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So any wrongful destination now has a lot of passwords. Especially IMAP and POP and suchlike, not even a need to set up a misleading website, you can play totally innocent.</p><p>Prevention:</p><p>1) Don't have a root server in a country that wants to censor information</p><p>2) Implement free SSL certs so that it is no longer "normal" to just click through the SSL cert alert</p><p>3) DNSCurve, DNSSEC, whatever</p><p>4) Encrypt.</p><p>5) Even when using encryption always use auth schemes that cannot be replayed afterwards. Without certs I don't think you can stop MITM, but much too many people use only one password for a lot of different things, at least that one won't be in the sniffer's hands.</p><p>More?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So any wrongful destination now has a lot of passwords .
Especially IMAP and POP and suchlike , not even a need to set up a misleading website , you can play totally innocent.Prevention : 1 ) Do n't have a root server in a country that wants to censor information2 ) Implement free SSL certs so that it is no longer " normal " to just click through the SSL cert alert3 ) DNSCurve , DNSSEC , whatever4 ) Encrypt.5 ) Even when using encryption always use auth schemes that can not be replayed afterwards .
Without certs I do n't think you can stop MITM , but much too many people use only one password for a lot of different things , at least that one wo n't be in the sniffer 's hands.More ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So any wrongful destination now has a lot of passwords.
Especially IMAP and POP and suchlike, not even a need to set up a misleading website, you can play totally innocent.Prevention:1) Don't have a root server in a country that wants to censor information2) Implement free SSL certs so that it is no longer "normal" to just click through the SSL cert alert3) DNSCurve, DNSSEC, whatever4) Encrypt.5) Even when using encryption always use auth schemes that cannot be replayed afterwards.
Without certs I don't think you can stop MITM, but much too many people use only one password for a lot of different things, at least that one won't be in the sniffer's hands.More?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630006</id>
	<title>Huh</title>
	<author>MrTripps</author>
	<datestamp>1269631260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was wondering about that fortune cookie that said "All of your root servers are belonging to us."</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was wondering about that fortune cookie that said " All of your root servers are belonging to us .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was wondering about that fortune cookie that said "All of your root servers are belonging to us.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629968</id>
	<title>redirecting Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269631140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... and nothing of value was lost</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... and nothing of value was lost</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and nothing of value was lost</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31632534</id>
	<title>Re:Pfft.</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1269598200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"And their firewalls didn't detect the melamine in the imported DNS records? Pitiful."</p><p>I was going to recommend lead but I forgot this isn't the 80s-90s any longer.</p><p>Lead would've made a better explanation for the slower speeds and 'cancerous' degradation that's been showing up on <a href="http://internettrafficreport.com/" title="internettr...report.com">The Internet Traffic Report</a> [internettr...report.com] (currently at 62\% as of this posting) with lead being heavier and all that fun chemistry stuff.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" And their firewalls did n't detect the melamine in the imported DNS records ?
Pitiful. " I was going to recommend lead but I forgot this is n't the 80s-90s any longer.Lead would 've made a better explanation for the slower speeds and 'cancerous ' degradation that 's been showing up on The Internet Traffic Report [ internettr...report.com ] ( currently at 62 \ % as of this posting ) with lead being heavier and all that fun chemistry stuff .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"And their firewalls didn't detect the melamine in the imported DNS records?
Pitiful."I was going to recommend lead but I forgot this isn't the 80s-90s any longer.Lead would've made a better explanation for the slower speeds and 'cancerous' degradation that's been showing up on The Internet Traffic Report [internettr...report.com] (currently at 62\% as of this posting) with lead being heavier and all that fun chemistry stuff.
;)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629480</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629592</id>
	<title>Tiannamen Square</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269629880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are reading this, you are not affected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are reading this , you are not affected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are reading this, you are not affected.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630114</id>
	<title>Re:Now...</title>
	<author>Third Position</author>
	<datestamp>1269631740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now will somebody tell them to keep their sh*t for them? Or are we too weak to talk frankly to Chinese authorities?</p></div><p>Well, I suppose it pays to talk real sweet to a country that pretty much owns us now.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now will somebody tell them to keep their sh * t for them ?
Or are we too weak to talk frankly to Chinese authorities ? Well , I suppose it pays to talk real sweet to a country that pretty much owns us now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now will somebody tell them to keep their sh*t for them?
Or are we too weak to talk frankly to Chinese authorities?Well, I suppose it pays to talk real sweet to a country that pretty much owns us now.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629492</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31631332</id>
	<title>Re:Umm... no</title>
	<author>Jazz-Masta</author>
	<datestamp>1269636540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you sure you didn't end up at Redbook and CommUTube?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you sure you did n't end up at Redbook and CommUTube ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you sure you didn't end up at Redbook and CommUTube?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629816</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31640934</id>
	<title>Chinese Firewall spreading</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269715020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what we get for not nuking the bastards when they crossed the Yalu River during the Korean War. Should have fixed it then...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what we get for not nuking the bastards when they crossed the Yalu River during the Korean War .
Should have fixed it then.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what we get for not nuking the bastards when they crossed the Yalu River during the Korean War.
Should have fixed it then...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31632314</id>
	<title>Re:hacker attack</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269597300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tend to agree, as I very much doubt that the Chinese DNS server in question would accept requests from any IP address. Certainly the Chinese Firewall would know at the least what address ranges should be valid and acceptable to avoid server overload from such a misconfiguration. That being said I don't know a large amount about how that works, but from what I've seen there isn't much to know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tend to agree , as I very much doubt that the Chinese DNS server in question would accept requests from any IP address .
Certainly the Chinese Firewall would know at the least what address ranges should be valid and acceptable to avoid server overload from such a misconfiguration .
That being said I do n't know a large amount about how that works , but from what I 've seen there is n't much to know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tend to agree, as I very much doubt that the Chinese DNS server in question would accept requests from any IP address.
Certainly the Chinese Firewall would know at the least what address ranges should be valid and acceptable to avoid server overload from such a misconfiguration.
That being said I don't know a large amount about how that works, but from what I've seen there isn't much to know.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630324</id>
	<title>Re:Uh Huh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269632460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>News just in, a reporter was able to take a <a href="http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5067/coolface.jpg" title="imageshack.us" rel="nofollow">snapshot</a> [imageshack.us] of the official in question.</p><p>Come on, you knew it was coming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>News just in , a reporter was able to take a snapshot [ imageshack.us ] of the official in question.Come on , you knew it was coming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>News just in, a reporter was able to take a snapshot [imageshack.us] of the official in question.Come on, you knew it was coming.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31631562</id>
	<title>chinese fireWALL</title>
	<author>Ingcuervo</author>
	<datestamp>1269594300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I knew we should not let them to re-create their legendary walls, they are damn good at it!!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I knew we should not let them to re-create their legendary walls , they are damn good at it ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I knew we should not let them to re-create their legendary walls, they are damn good at it!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630582</id>
	<title>Re:Problems like this should be prevented</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1269633540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>6) Invade.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>6 ) Invade .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>6) Invade.
;)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630030</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629924</id>
	<title>Re:I am not a fan of the USA gov't</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269630960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Life is really easy when you let someone like Glen Beck do all your thinking for you, isn't it Michael?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Life is really easy when you let someone like Glen Beck do all your thinking for you , is n't it Michael ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Life is really easy when you let someone like Glen Beck do all your thinking for you, isn't it Michael?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629830</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31631196</id>
	<title>Re:The issue I have...</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1269636060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>We don't hear of Chinese complaining about melamine in products from Western countries.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yeah; They just complain about trivial things like labour exploitation, poor wages, health and safety lapses, pollution, and foreign support for censorship technologies and the communist regime. It's not like the West has done anything wrong here!!!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't hear of Chinese complaining about melamine in products from Western countries.Yeah ; They just complain about trivial things like labour exploitation , poor wages , health and safety lapses , pollution , and foreign support for censorship technologies and the communist regime .
It 's not like the West has done anything wrong here ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't hear of Chinese complaining about melamine in products from Western countries.Yeah; They just complain about trivial things like labour exploitation, poor wages, health and safety lapses, pollution, and foreign support for censorship technologies and the communist regime.
It's not like the West has done anything wrong here!!
!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629512</id>
	<title>I am not a fan of the USA gov't</title>
	<author>Ralph Spoilsport</author>
	<datestamp>1269629640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>or any other bunch of capitalist parasites. But I should like to take this moment to say to the people reading this who are monitoring this site for the Chinese Government, these few simple words:
<p>
Kindly go fuck yourself.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or any other bunch of capitalist parasites .
But I should like to take this moment to say to the people reading this who are monitoring this site for the Chinese Government , these few simple words : Kindly go fuck yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or any other bunch of capitalist parasites.
But I should like to take this moment to say to the people reading this who are monitoring this site for the Chinese Government, these few simple words:

Kindly go fuck yourself.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629684</id>
	<title>DNSCurve will own.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269630180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why we need DNSCurve implemented on the wide scale. Badly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why we need DNSCurve implemented on the wide scale .
Badly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why we need DNSCurve implemented on the wide scale.
Badly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630920</id>
	<title>Not Really Misleading</title>
	<author>medv4380</author>
	<datestamp>1269634980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The reference to firewall is just different in this case.  In China it's called the "Golden Shield Project" outside of China it's called the "Great Firewall of China".  If you miss configure your DNS to look at China's DNS then you are using their Golden Shield hence you are using The Great Firewall of China.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The reference to firewall is just different in this case .
In China it 's called the " Golden Shield Project " outside of China it 's called the " Great Firewall of China " .
If you miss configure your DNS to look at China 's DNS then you are using their Golden Shield hence you are using The Great Firewall of China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reference to firewall is just different in this case.
In China it's called the "Golden Shield Project" outside of China it's called the "Great Firewall of China".
If you miss configure your DNS to look at China's DNS then you are using their Golden Shield hence you are using The Great Firewall of China.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629696</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629816</id>
	<title>Umm... no</title>
	<author>ailnlv</author>
	<datestamp>1269630600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Either they already fixed it or the article is wrong, because I'm in Chile and Facebook and Youtube seem fine to me</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Either they already fixed it or the article is wrong , because I 'm in Chile and Facebook and Youtube seem fine to me</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either they already fixed it or the article is wrong, because I'm in Chile and Facebook and Youtube seem fine to me</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31632744</id>
	<title>sure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269599040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The timing of this incident makes me guess it is no coincidence. Begun the clone-wars has. Now, we should maybe not have put a single tsar in charge of US cyber-security. He's in the background pulling the strings. It's the same problem as in Star Wars. The cyber-star has aspirations on being an emperor in the new empire that will rise in the ashes of the old republic of Internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The timing of this incident makes me guess it is no coincidence .
Begun the clone-wars has .
Now , we should maybe not have put a single tsar in charge of US cyber-security .
He 's in the background pulling the strings .
It 's the same problem as in Star Wars .
The cyber-star has aspirations on being an emperor in the new empire that will rise in the ashes of the old republic of Internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The timing of this incident makes me guess it is no coincidence.
Begun the clone-wars has.
Now, we should maybe not have put a single tsar in charge of US cyber-security.
He's in the background pulling the strings.
It's the same problem as in Star Wars.
The cyber-star has aspirations on being an emperor in the new empire that will rise in the ashes of the old republic of Internet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629768</id>
	<title>WW3</title>
	<author>watanabe</author>
	<datestamp>1269630480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other news, WW3 started slowly with Google and Dell pulling out of China. Infowars continued to increase when China's root nameserver began to propagate its information out to the developing world, areas that had been increasingly reliant on Chinese funding since the post-cold-War US' international power began to wane..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news , WW3 started slowly with Google and Dell pulling out of China .
Infowars continued to increase when China 's root nameserver began to propagate its information out to the developing world , areas that had been increasingly reliant on Chinese funding since the post-cold-War US ' international power began to wane. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news, WW3 started slowly with Google and Dell pulling out of China.
Infowars continued to increase when China's root nameserver began to propagate its information out to the developing world, areas that had been increasingly reliant on Chinese funding since the post-cold-War US' international power began to wane..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630580</id>
	<title>Re:Nice headline</title>
	<author>blair1q</author>
	<datestamp>1269633480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny, yours didn't say a thing about <a href="http://www.whytraveltofrance.com/images/nicefrance1910.jpg" title="whytraveltofrance.com">Nice</a> [whytraveltofrance.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , yours did n't say a thing about Nice [ whytraveltofrance.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, yours didn't say a thing about Nice [whytraveltofrance.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629662</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31632230</id>
	<title>Re:I am not a fan of the USA gov't</title>
	<author>clampolo</author>
	<datestamp>1269597000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>God I wish both Republicans AND Democrats would shut up.  Both parties accept huge bribes (campaign contributions) in exchange for votes.  There is always a shameful deficit no matter who is in power (don't get started with Clinton and his raiding of Social Security to make the budget look balanced.  No matter who is in charge, the army is out invading some new country: Somalia, Kosovo, Iraq, Panama, etc. </p><p>This dumb Democrat healthcare bill is just as big a coporate handout to the pharmaceutical and insurance companies as the Republican prescription drug plan.</p><p>So in summary:  If you live on every word of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity <b>OR</b> Jon Stewart, Keith Olberman, etc, you are all equally stupid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>God I wish both Republicans AND Democrats would shut up .
Both parties accept huge bribes ( campaign contributions ) in exchange for votes .
There is always a shameful deficit no matter who is in power ( do n't get started with Clinton and his raiding of Social Security to make the budget look balanced .
No matter who is in charge , the army is out invading some new country : Somalia , Kosovo , Iraq , Panama , etc .
This dumb Democrat healthcare bill is just as big a coporate handout to the pharmaceutical and insurance companies as the Republican prescription drug plan.So in summary : If you live on every word of Rush Limbaugh , Sean Hannity OR Jon Stewart , Keith Olberman , etc , you are all equally stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God I wish both Republicans AND Democrats would shut up.
Both parties accept huge bribes (campaign contributions) in exchange for votes.
There is always a shameful deficit no matter who is in power (don't get started with Clinton and his raiding of Social Security to make the budget look balanced.
No matter who is in charge, the army is out invading some new country: Somalia, Kosovo, Iraq, Panama, etc.
This dumb Democrat healthcare bill is just as big a coporate handout to the pharmaceutical and insurance companies as the Republican prescription drug plan.So in summary:  If you live on every word of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity OR Jon Stewart, Keith Olberman, etc, you are all equally stupid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31630490</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31652730</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading</title>
	<author>Kalriath</author>
	<datestamp>1269791100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is this insightful?  It's wrong!  Noone misconfigured their DNS resolvers, the problem is that for some reason a couple of major routing nodes latched on to the incorrect node for i.root-servers.net (each DNS root is not a single server, it's a bunch of geographically separate servers with the same IP doing Anycast announcements) and connected downstream servers began using the node in China to perform resolution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this insightful ?
It 's wrong !
Noone misconfigured their DNS resolvers , the problem is that for some reason a couple of major routing nodes latched on to the incorrect node for i.root-servers.net ( each DNS root is not a single server , it 's a bunch of geographically separate servers with the same IP doing Anycast announcements ) and connected downstream servers began using the node in China to perform resolution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this insightful?
It's wrong!
Noone misconfigured their DNS resolvers, the problem is that for some reason a couple of major routing nodes latched on to the incorrect node for i.root-servers.net (each DNS root is not a single server, it's a bunch of geographically separate servers with the same IP doing Anycast announcements) and connected downstream servers began using the node in China to perform resolution.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629696</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31632146</id>
	<title>Re:WW3</title>
	<author>unknownroad</author>
	<datestamp>1269596640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A South Korean corvette was just sunk too. Maybe this IS the beginning of the end.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A South Korean corvette was just sunk too .
Maybe this IS the beginning of the end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A South Korean corvette was just sunk too.
Maybe this IS the beginning of the end.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31629768</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1627226.31654706</id>
	<title>Netnod's comments</title>
	<author>klindqvist</author>
	<datestamp>1269858960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All,</p><p>as this topic has drawn quite some interest I would like to reiterate some of our other public comments.At Netnod/Autonomica we are completely dedicated to serving the IANA root zone as we receive it. We do not intercept, interfere, rewrite or otherwise alter either queries, responses or the content of the zone itself. The events that occurred are still being investigated and as soon as we deemed we had collected enough data we withdraw the announcements from on of our anycast nodes that serve i.root-servers.net.</p><p>I can't guarantee that me or any of our staff monitors this thread, but we do try and communicate to the community as much as we can without adding further speculations.</p><p>Best regards,</p><p>- kurtis -</p><p>---<br>Kurt Erik Lindqvist, CEO<br>kurtis@netnod.se, Direct: +46-8-562 860 11, Switch: +46-8-562 860 00<br>Please note our new address:<br>Franz&#233;ngatan 5 | SE-112 51 Stockholm | Sweden</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All,as this topic has drawn quite some interest I would like to reiterate some of our other public comments.At Netnod/Autonomica we are completely dedicated to serving the IANA root zone as we receive it .
We do not intercept , interfere , rewrite or otherwise alter either queries , responses or the content of the zone itself .
The events that occurred are still being investigated and as soon as we deemed we had collected enough data we withdraw the announcements from on of our anycast nodes that serve i.root-servers.net.I ca n't guarantee that me or any of our staff monitors this thread , but we do try and communicate to the community as much as we can without adding further speculations.Best regards,- kurtis ----Kurt Erik Lindqvist , CEOkurtis @ netnod.se , Direct : + 46-8-562 860 11 , Switch : + 46-8-562 860 00Please note our new address : Franz   ngatan 5 | SE-112 51 Stockholm | Sweden</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All,as this topic has drawn quite some interest I would like to reiterate some of our other public comments.At Netnod/Autonomica we are completely dedicated to serving the IANA root zone as we receive it.
We do not intercept, interfere, rewrite or otherwise alter either queries, responses or the content of the zone itself.
The events that occurred are still being investigated and as soon as we deemed we had collected enough data we withdraw the announcements from on of our anycast nodes that serve i.root-servers.net.I can't guarantee that me or any of our staff monitors this thread, but we do try and communicate to the community as much as we can without adding further speculations.Best regards,- kurtis ----Kurt Erik Lindqvist, CEOkurtis@netnod.se, Direct: +46-8-562 860 11, Switch: +46-8-562 860 00Please note our new address:Franzéngatan 5 | SE-112 51 Stockholm | Sweden</sentencetext>
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	<title>hacker attack</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269632160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Come on, are we really being that stupid?  Of course it was a hacker attack.  The chances of an IP address "accidentally" being pointed to a Chinese one is remote.</p><p>These Chinese hackers (and hackers in general) are getting more and more dangerous.  If they hack the DNS servers, we're talking about a massive ability to steal passwords, since https is based on domain name and not IP address.  If the DNS is configured to give incorrect DNS information, then we really could get hosed here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on , are we really being that stupid ?
Of course it was a hacker attack .
The chances of an IP address " accidentally " being pointed to a Chinese one is remote.These Chinese hackers ( and hackers in general ) are getting more and more dangerous .
If they hack the DNS servers , we 're talking about a massive ability to steal passwords , since https is based on domain name and not IP address .
If the DNS is configured to give incorrect DNS information , then we really could get hosed here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on, are we really being that stupid?
Of course it was a hacker attack.
The chances of an IP address "accidentally" being pointed to a Chinese one is remote.These Chinese hackers (and hackers in general) are getting more and more dangerous.
If they hack the DNS servers, we're talking about a massive ability to steal passwords, since https is based on domain name and not IP address.
If the DNS is configured to give incorrect DNS information, then we really could get hosed here.</sentencetext>
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