<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_26_1458229</id>
	<title>The Mono Mystery That Wasn't</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1269618060000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>jammag writes <i>"It was shocking news, or so it seemed: Miguel de Icaza, the Mono creator, was switching his opinion about his life's work &mdash; he now seemed to agree with the free software partisans who oppose his Mono work and his Microsoft connections. The story flamed across the Internet and even got <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/25/1331255/De-Icaza-Says-Microsoft-Has-Shot-NET-Ecosystem-In-Foot">picked up on Slashdot</a>. But Bruce Byfield reports that '<a href="http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3873051/The-Mono-Mystery-That-Wasnt.htm">De Icaza has not changed his opinions</a>.' De Icaza calls the rumors '<a href="http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Mar-25.html">a storm in a teacup</a>.' Tracing the misinformation trail, Byfield concludes that 'the FOSS community excels at communication. However, in this instance, that ability was used irresponsibly.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>jammag writes " It was shocking news , or so it seemed : Miguel de Icaza , the Mono creator , was switching his opinion about his life 's work    he now seemed to agree with the free software partisans who oppose his Mono work and his Microsoft connections .
The story flamed across the Internet and even got picked up on Slashdot .
But Bruce Byfield reports that 'De Icaza has not changed his opinions .
' De Icaza calls the rumors 'a storm in a teacup .
' Tracing the misinformation trail , Byfield concludes that 'the FOSS community excels at communication .
However , in this instance , that ability was used irresponsibly .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jammag writes "It was shocking news, or so it seemed: Miguel de Icaza, the Mono creator, was switching his opinion about his life's work — he now seemed to agree with the free software partisans who oppose his Mono work and his Microsoft connections.
The story flamed across the Internet and even got picked up on Slashdot.
But Bruce Byfield reports that 'De Icaza has not changed his opinions.
' De Icaza calls the rumors 'a storm in a teacup.
' Tracing the misinformation trail, Byfield concludes that 'the FOSS community excels at communication.
However, in this instance, that ability was used irresponsibly.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627190</id>
	<title>-1 Misses the point</title>
	<author>Aurisor</author>
	<datestamp>1269622080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We weren't excited by some faux controversy that some no-name newspaper had deleted his article.  Speaking for myself and the friends I talked with, we were just mocking De Icaza for being five years behind the entire rest of the world in realizing that dragging a patent-encumbered CLR into Linux just to get some sticky notes on his desktop.</p><p>That's a little bit of hyperbole, but the point remains: this guy has been smoking the good stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We were n't excited by some faux controversy that some no-name newspaper had deleted his article .
Speaking for myself and the friends I talked with , we were just mocking De Icaza for being five years behind the entire rest of the world in realizing that dragging a patent-encumbered CLR into Linux just to get some sticky notes on his desktop.That 's a little bit of hyperbole , but the point remains : this guy has been smoking the good stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We weren't excited by some faux controversy that some no-name newspaper had deleted his article.
Speaking for myself and the friends I talked with, we were just mocking De Icaza for being five years behind the entire rest of the world in realizing that dragging a patent-encumbered CLR into Linux just to get some sticky notes on his desktop.That's a little bit of hyperbole, but the point remains: this guy has been smoking the good stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627668</id>
	<title>Who cares about core libraries?</title>
	<author>Cyberax</author>
	<datestamp>1269623880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about WPF, then? When are you going to develop it? I know: never. The scope of it is way too large for your team.</p><p>Same about complete WCF, WWF (and other WTFs).</p><p>So in reality, a Mono application will probably work on Windows, but almost none of Windows C# applications will work on Mono.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about WPF , then ?
When are you going to develop it ?
I know : never .
The scope of it is way too large for your team.Same about complete WCF , WWF ( and other WTFs ) .So in reality , a Mono application will probably work on Windows , but almost none of Windows C # applications will work on Mono .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about WPF, then?
When are you going to develop it?
I know: never.
The scope of it is way too large for your team.Same about complete WCF, WWF (and other WTFs).So in reality, a Mono application will probably work on Windows, but almost none of Windows C# applications will work on Mono.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627644</id>
	<title>Re:Inflamatory headling superceeds mundane content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269623820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the sort of news that should be picked up by Slashdot: Mono's C# 4.0 compiler released before VS2010.  But no, sadly Slashdot is irrevocably biased against Microsoft-created technologies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the sort of news that should be picked up by Slashdot : Mono 's C # 4.0 compiler released before VS2010 .
But no , sadly Slashdot is irrevocably biased against Microsoft-created technologies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the sort of news that should be picked up by Slashdot: Mono's C# 4.0 compiler released before VS2010.
But no, sadly Slashdot is irrevocably biased against Microsoft-created technologies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627388</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627212</id>
	<title>This guy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269622140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So this is the bastard that got me sick?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So this is the bastard that got me sick ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So this is the bastard that got me sick?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31628830</id>
	<title>Re:-1 Misses the point</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269627480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Compile natively<br>Static type</p><p>Oh that and take longer to compile/run "hello world" than it takes to write it, (even writing in java; much more so if you compare how long it takes to write in python).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Compile nativelyStatic typeOh that and take longer to compile/run " hello world " than it takes to write it , ( even writing in java ; much more so if you compare how long it takes to write in python ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Compile nativelyStatic typeOh that and take longer to compile/run "hello world" than it takes to write it, (even writing in java; much more so if you compare how long it takes to write in python).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627458</id>
	<title>Re:-1 Misses the point</title>
	<author>IamTheRealMike</author>
	<datestamp>1269623160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From Miguels blog</p><blockquote><div><p>It took Microsoft eight years, a new management and a fresh set of eyes to change some of these mistakes. The veil of threats that existed over the runtime in 2001 was lifted with the Community Promise announcement but it took eight years, and those were eight years of lost opportunity and FUD directed at all things Microsoft.</p></div></blockquote><p>So in fact Miguel was lamenting time lost under a previous, less enlightened management. Not current problems with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET.</p><p>I remember when Mono was first announced. Miguel at the time argued that the free software world had failed to produce any real competitor to Java or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET style frameworks despite their absolute dominance of mainstream programming. He didn't think one would appear any time soon either. And guess what - he was right. There is no home grown Linux, Apache or Android equivalent to compete with Java or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET. And whilst Java is now fully open source, it wasn't safe to assume that'd happen back all those years ago.</p><p>So in fact it seems Miguel was right all along - right about the need, right about the solution, right that Microsoft would not attempt to "destroy Linux" by leveraging patents. Instead they specifically promised in writing not to do that. Why? Probably because they don't care about Linux anymore. The world has moved on, what once seemed like a threat to their business no longer is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From Miguels blogIt took Microsoft eight years , a new management and a fresh set of eyes to change some of these mistakes .
The veil of threats that existed over the runtime in 2001 was lifted with the Community Promise announcement but it took eight years , and those were eight years of lost opportunity and FUD directed at all things Microsoft.So in fact Miguel was lamenting time lost under a previous , less enlightened management .
Not current problems with .NET.I remember when Mono was first announced .
Miguel at the time argued that the free software world had failed to produce any real competitor to Java or .NET style frameworks despite their absolute dominance of mainstream programming .
He did n't think one would appear any time soon either .
And guess what - he was right .
There is no home grown Linux , Apache or Android equivalent to compete with Java or .NET .
And whilst Java is now fully open source , it was n't safe to assume that 'd happen back all those years ago.So in fact it seems Miguel was right all along - right about the need , right about the solution , right that Microsoft would not attempt to " destroy Linux " by leveraging patents .
Instead they specifically promised in writing not to do that .
Why ? Probably because they do n't care about Linux anymore .
The world has moved on , what once seemed like a threat to their business no longer is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From Miguels blogIt took Microsoft eight years, a new management and a fresh set of eyes to change some of these mistakes.
The veil of threats that existed over the runtime in 2001 was lifted with the Community Promise announcement but it took eight years, and those were eight years of lost opportunity and FUD directed at all things Microsoft.So in fact Miguel was lamenting time lost under a previous, less enlightened management.
Not current problems with .NET.I remember when Mono was first announced.
Miguel at the time argued that the free software world had failed to produce any real competitor to Java or .NET style frameworks despite their absolute dominance of mainstream programming.
He didn't think one would appear any time soon either.
And guess what - he was right.
There is no home grown Linux, Apache or Android equivalent to compete with Java or .NET.
And whilst Java is now fully open source, it wasn't safe to assume that'd happen back all those years ago.So in fact it seems Miguel was right all along - right about the need, right about the solution, right that Microsoft would not attempt to "destroy Linux" by leveraging patents.
Instead they specifically promised in writing not to do that.
Why? Probably because they don't care about Linux anymore.
The world has moved on, what once seemed like a threat to their business no longer is.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627190</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31628016</id>
	<title>Exactly</title>
	<author>fejjie</author>
	<datestamp>1269624900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn, wish I could mod you up because you hit the nail on the head.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn , wish I could mod you up because you hit the nail on the head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn, wish I could mod you up because you hit the nail on the head.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627458</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627128</id>
	<title>CAWK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269621780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and bawlz<br><br>ps.... FrostyPiss</htmltext>
<tokenext>and bawlzps.... FrostyPiss</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and bawlzps.... FrostyPiss</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31632974</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares about core libraries?</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1269600120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So? the beauty of C# is having a great language available for Linux, for running Windows apps we already have Wine, which doesn't restrict itself to just<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So ?
the beauty of C # is having a great language available for Linux , for running Windows apps we already have Wine , which does n't restrict itself to just .NET apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So?
the beauty of C# is having a great language available for Linux, for running Windows apps we already have Wine, which doesn't restrict itself to just .NET apps.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627668</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627374</id>
	<title>Too bad. I was willing to think he'd grown up.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269622860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a shame. I'd thought that after all this time he was finally wising up and accepting what everyone else on the planet was saying. I guess either he <em>hasn't</em> put his fanatical devotion to his employer aside (does anyone <em>really</em> believe that he didn't get the job he applied for at Microsoft?) or that his boss told him to back down. Either way, too bad. He's a talented guy and I wish he would work on something useful and less poisonous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a shame .
I 'd thought that after all this time he was finally wising up and accepting what everyone else on the planet was saying .
I guess either he has n't put his fanatical devotion to his employer aside ( does anyone really believe that he did n't get the job he applied for at Microsoft ?
) or that his boss told him to back down .
Either way , too bad .
He 's a talented guy and I wish he would work on something useful and less poisonous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a shame.
I'd thought that after all this time he was finally wising up and accepting what everyone else on the planet was saying.
I guess either he hasn't put his fanatical devotion to his employer aside (does anyone really believe that he didn't get the job he applied for at Microsoft?
) or that his boss told him to back down.
Either way, too bad.
He's a talented guy and I wish he would work on something useful and less poisonous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627350</id>
	<title>Re:Good News</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269622680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has always been a bit strange how free software people seem to feel strongly about some free software being "bad/wrong/infidel/etc." Mono/Icaza might not drive the same things as you, but implying he is wrong or evil in writing his kind of free software is a not very "free"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has always been a bit strange how free software people seem to feel strongly about some free software being " bad/wrong/infidel/etc .
" Mono/Icaza might not drive the same things as you , but implying he is wrong or evil in writing his kind of free software is a not very " free "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has always been a bit strange how free software people seem to feel strongly about some free software being "bad/wrong/infidel/etc.
" Mono/Icaza might not drive the same things as you, but implying he is wrong or evil in writing his kind of free software is a not very "free"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627146</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31644580</id>
	<title>"a damn good platform"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269704880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>- weighing in at 1.2 GB? WTF? What do they actually HAVE in all that code? A separate OS?</p><p>"don't use it and stop whining" - thanks  I did.</p><p>But seriously: why such a HUGE footprint???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>- weighing in at 1.2 GB ?
WTF ? What do they actually HAVE in all that code ?
A separate OS ?
" do n't use it and stop whining " - thanks I did.But seriously : why such a HUGE footprint ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- weighing in at 1.2 GB?
WTF? What do they actually HAVE in all that code?
A separate OS?
"don't use it and stop whining" - thanks  I did.But seriously: why such a HUGE footprint??
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31628140</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31640086</id>
	<title>IDE needs work</title>
	<author>Visual Echo</author>
	<datestamp>1269709980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can we just get the IDE to work with the debugger?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we just get the IDE to work with the debugger ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we just get the IDE to work with the debugger?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31628140</id>
	<title>I know this is Slashdot but...</title>
	<author>Timbo</author>
	<datestamp>1269625260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...I'm amazed at how obtuse (and in some cases, downright insulting) the majority of the comments on this story are. I think it's highly likely that if<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET didn't come from Microsoft, nobody would be getting quite so emotional about the whole thing.</p><p>For the record, I'm categorically not Microsoft's greatest fan, but you cannot deny that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET/C# is a damn good platform. Having a portable version of said good platform is therefore a Good Thing. It doesn't matter if Microsoft decide to fuck Mono over; it's still a good platform and therefore still a Good Thing. If you disagree and you don't like it, then fine; don't use it and stop whining.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...I 'm amazed at how obtuse ( and in some cases , downright insulting ) the majority of the comments on this story are .
I think it 's highly likely that if .NET did n't come from Microsoft , nobody would be getting quite so emotional about the whole thing.For the record , I 'm categorically not Microsoft 's greatest fan , but you can not deny that .NET/C # is a damn good platform .
Having a portable version of said good platform is therefore a Good Thing .
It does n't matter if Microsoft decide to fuck Mono over ; it 's still a good platform and therefore still a Good Thing .
If you disagree and you do n't like it , then fine ; do n't use it and stop whining .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I'm amazed at how obtuse (and in some cases, downright insulting) the majority of the comments on this story are.
I think it's highly likely that if .NET didn't come from Microsoft, nobody would be getting quite so emotional about the whole thing.For the record, I'm categorically not Microsoft's greatest fan, but you cannot deny that .NET/C# is a damn good platform.
Having a portable version of said good platform is therefore a Good Thing.
It doesn't matter if Microsoft decide to fuck Mono over; it's still a good platform and therefore still a Good Thing.
If you disagree and you don't like it, then fine; don't use it and stop whining.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31632352</id>
	<title>The whole point of WORA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269597480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The whole point of WORA (Write Once Run Anywhere) is to ship closed source applications, in byte code form.<br>What's the need of such a plattform in an environment where source code is available? just recompile it.<br>Is aknown  fact that C can be made "portable" as a lot of open source libraries and applications runs in Windows and Linux, just a recompile away.<br>May be that is the reason Linux didn't evolve a plattform like Java or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... it doesn't needs it, neither for it's goals nor for it's "ethics".<br>And and old (well written) C program will always outperform any VM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole point of WORA ( Write Once Run Anywhere ) is to ship closed source applications , in byte code form.What 's the need of such a plattform in an environment where source code is available ?
just recompile it.Is aknown fact that C can be made " portable " as a lot of open source libraries and applications runs in Windows and Linux , just a recompile away.May be that is the reason Linux did n't evolve a plattform like Java or .NET ... it does n't needs it , neither for it 's goals nor for it 's " ethics " .And and old ( well written ) C program will always outperform any VM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole point of WORA (Write Once Run Anywhere) is to ship closed source applications, in byte code form.What's the need of such a plattform in an environment where source code is available?
just recompile it.Is aknown  fact that C can be made "portable" as a lot of open source libraries and applications runs in Windows and Linux, just a recompile away.May be that is the reason Linux didn't evolve a plattform like Java or .NET ... it doesn't needs it, neither for it's goals nor for it's "ethics".And and old (well written) C program will always outperform any VM.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31629724</id>
	<title>Re:Too bad. I was willing to think he'd grown up.</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1269630300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'd thought that after all this time he was finally wising up and accepting what everyone else on the planet was saying.</p></div><p>I assume by "everyone else on the planet" you actually mean "the incredibly small minority of Linux fanatics".</p><p>News flash, 99\% of people on the planet don't give a shit about Linux or anything related to Linux.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd thought that after all this time he was finally wising up and accepting what everyone else on the planet was saying.I assume by " everyone else on the planet " you actually mean " the incredibly small minority of Linux fanatics " .News flash , 99 \ % of people on the planet do n't give a shit about Linux or anything related to Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd thought that after all this time he was finally wising up and accepting what everyone else on the planet was saying.I assume by "everyone else on the planet" you actually mean "the incredibly small minority of Linux fanatics".News flash, 99\% of people on the planet don't give a shit about Linux or anything related to Linux.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31639796</id>
	<title>Excels at communication... pfft</title>
	<author>ToasterMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1269707880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Byfield concludes that 'the <b>FOSS community excels at communication</b>. However, in this instance, that ability was used irresponsibly.'"</p></div><p>Tricky wording here.  Yes, excelling at communication..   not to be confused with excelling at responsible communication.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Byfield concludes that 'the FOSS community excels at communication .
However , in this instance , that ability was used irresponsibly .
' " Tricky wording here .
Yes , excelling at communication.. not to be confused with excelling at responsible communication .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Byfield concludes that 'the FOSS community excels at communication.
However, in this instance, that ability was used irresponsibly.
'"Tricky wording here.
Yes, excelling at communication..   not to be confused with excelling at responsible communication.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627742</id>
	<title>Re:Inflamatory headling superceeds mundane content</title>
	<author>davester666</author>
	<datestamp>1269624120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You changed the version number for Mono before Microsoft officially did?  Wow.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You changed the version number for Mono before Microsoft officially did ?
Wow. ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You changed the version number for Mono before Microsoft officially did?
Wow. ;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31629032</id>
	<title>What I thought Miguel said</title>
	<author>einhverfr</author>
	<datestamp>1269628020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>was that Mono would have a lot of competition if it wasn't for the implicit patent threats coming from Microsoft.    IOW, he was complaining that JVM technology had come a long way due to open policies from Sun and that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net runtime engines had not enjoyed the same benefits.  I think he is probably right there.</p><p>What I didn't hear him saying was that Mono was a bad project, risked patent infringement claims, etc.  There seemed to be some concession on the patent issue but it seemed overblown.</p><p>At the same time this summary, suggesting that the communication was handled "irresponsibly" seems no closer to the mark.  I can see why people got the impression they did and I think it was a reasonable one.</p><p>Things could use everyone stepping back and taking a few deep breaths<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>was that Mono would have a lot of competition if it was n't for the implicit patent threats coming from Microsoft .
IOW , he was complaining that JVM technology had come a long way due to open policies from Sun and that .Net runtime engines had not enjoyed the same benefits .
I think he is probably right there.What I did n't hear him saying was that Mono was a bad project , risked patent infringement claims , etc .
There seemed to be some concession on the patent issue but it seemed overblown.At the same time this summary , suggesting that the communication was handled " irresponsibly " seems no closer to the mark .
I can see why people got the impression they did and I think it was a reasonable one.Things could use everyone stepping back and taking a few deep breaths : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>was that Mono would have a lot of competition if it wasn't for the implicit patent threats coming from Microsoft.
IOW, he was complaining that JVM technology had come a long way due to open policies from Sun and that .Net runtime engines had not enjoyed the same benefits.
I think he is probably right there.What I didn't hear him saying was that Mono was a bad project, risked patent infringement claims, etc.
There seemed to be some concession on the patent issue but it seemed overblown.At the same time this summary, suggesting that the communication was handled "irresponsibly" seems no closer to the mark.
I can see why people got the impression they did and I think it was a reasonable one.Things could use everyone stepping back and taking a few deep breaths :-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627184</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627452</id>
	<title>Re:Lets get more rumors started.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269623100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Got an inside source on this one:</p><p>Linux might win the desktop one day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Got an inside source on this one : Linux might win the desktop one day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Got an inside source on this one:Linux might win the desktop one day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627220</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31630066</id>
	<title>Give up the FUD already</title>
	<author>Thalaric</author>
	<datestamp>1269631560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the open source community always gave in to FUD and declined to implement anything that *might* have a patent covering it, nothing would ever be accomplished.</p><p>Mono is great for the same reason Samba, Wine, and Evolution's exchange connector are. They assist in taking things cross platform (yes, even if you still have to port and avoid certain libraries). The fact that some people find it to be an efficient platform for development is just the icing on the cake. You never have to worry about code written for Mono... being compatible with Mono.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the open source community always gave in to FUD and declined to implement anything that * might * have a patent covering it , nothing would ever be accomplished.Mono is great for the same reason Samba , Wine , and Evolution 's exchange connector are .
They assist in taking things cross platform ( yes , even if you still have to port and avoid certain libraries ) .
The fact that some people find it to be an efficient platform for development is just the icing on the cake .
You never have to worry about code written for Mono... being compatible with Mono .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the open source community always gave in to FUD and declined to implement anything that *might* have a patent covering it, nothing would ever be accomplished.Mono is great for the same reason Samba, Wine, and Evolution's exchange connector are.
They assist in taking things cross platform (yes, even if you still have to port and avoid certain libraries).
The fact that some people find it to be an efficient platform for development is just the icing on the cake.
You never have to worry about code written for Mono... being compatible with Mono.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31631046</id>
	<title>and here is how he became famous</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1269635580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He was assigned by FSF to code an alternative for KDE which relied on Trolltech Qt and Trolltech was refusing to make it pure GPL for some business reasons.</p><p>So, the very same guy assigned to that project for that very single reason came up with Mono, a clone of Microsoft<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET framework. That is the part where people go nuts.</p><p>Interestingly and very luckily, Nokia did their best decision to buy Trolltech and as they are a gigantic company, they could convert it to LGPL which Trolltech would go out of business if they dared. So, the very reason of existence of Gnome is gone and Icaza&amp;team does everything to make more people switch to KDE. I would be really pissed if I was a patent licensee of MS on Debian Linux just because I got curious about a note taking application for instance.</p><p>Things became so pathetic that people started to check dependencies of Gnome apps before they try them, just in case they depend on Mono trojan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He was assigned by FSF to code an alternative for KDE which relied on Trolltech Qt and Trolltech was refusing to make it pure GPL for some business reasons.So , the very same guy assigned to that project for that very single reason came up with Mono , a clone of Microsoft .NET framework .
That is the part where people go nuts.Interestingly and very luckily , Nokia did their best decision to buy Trolltech and as they are a gigantic company , they could convert it to LGPL which Trolltech would go out of business if they dared .
So , the very reason of existence of Gnome is gone and Icaza&amp;team does everything to make more people switch to KDE .
I would be really pissed if I was a patent licensee of MS on Debian Linux just because I got curious about a note taking application for instance.Things became so pathetic that people started to check dependencies of Gnome apps before they try them , just in case they depend on Mono trojan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He was assigned by FSF to code an alternative for KDE which relied on Trolltech Qt and Trolltech was refusing to make it pure GPL for some business reasons.So, the very same guy assigned to that project for that very single reason came up with Mono, a clone of Microsoft .NET framework.
That is the part where people go nuts.Interestingly and very luckily, Nokia did their best decision to buy Trolltech and as they are a gigantic company, they could convert it to LGPL which Trolltech would go out of business if they dared.
So, the very reason of existence of Gnome is gone and Icaza&amp;team does everything to make more people switch to KDE.
I would be really pissed if I was a patent licensee of MS on Debian Linux just because I got curious about a note taking application for instance.Things became so pathetic that people started to check dependencies of Gnome apps before they try them, just in case they depend on Mono trojan.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627484</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31632792</id>
	<title>Re:Inflamatory headling superceeds mundane content</title>
	<author>Jason Earl</author>
	<datestamp>1269599220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They actually should call it Mono 5.5.  That would teach Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They actually should call it Mono 5.5 .
That would teach Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They actually should call it Mono 5.5.
That would teach Microsoft.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627748</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31628986</id>
	<title>Re:-1 Misses the point</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1269627840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Instead they specifically promised in writing not to do that.</p></div><p>They most absolutely did <em>not</em>. They promised not to annihilate any <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1293975&amp;cid=28606365" title="slashdot.org">100\% compatible implementations</a> [slashdot.org].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead they specifically promised in writing not to do that.They most absolutely did not .
They promised not to annihilate any 100 \ % compatible implementations [ slashdot.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead they specifically promised in writing not to do that.They most absolutely did not.
They promised not to annihilate any 100\% compatible implementations [slashdot.org].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31629320</id>
	<title>Re:Inflamatory headling superceeds mundane content</title>
	<author>nlindstrom</author>
	<datestamp>1269628980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My god, it's full of bugs!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My god , it 's full of bugs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My god, it's full of bugs!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627388</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627984</id>
	<title>Re:Lets get more rumors started.</title>
	<author>squiggleslash</author>
	<datestamp>1269624840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Yeah, and, and, Hans Reiser murdered a woman and then lied to cover it up!
</p><p>
Oh, that one's real. Sorry about that.
</p><p>
Mod -1,000,000 "Frankly Totally Tasteless"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and , and , Hans Reiser murdered a woman and then lied to cover it up !
Oh , that one 's real .
Sorry about that .
Mod -1,000,000 " Frankly Totally Tasteless "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Yeah, and, and, Hans Reiser murdered a woman and then lied to cover it up!
Oh, that one's real.
Sorry about that.
Mod -1,000,000 "Frankly Totally Tasteless"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627184</id>
	<title>A Storm in a Windows Teacup I'd say...</title>
	<author>viraltus</author>
	<datestamp>1269622020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You said what you said Miguel, now suck it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You said what you said Miguel , now suck it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You said what you said Miguel, now suck it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31632414</id>
	<title>Re:I know this is Slashdot but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269597780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think it's highly likely that if<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET didn't come from Microsoft, nobody would be getting quite so emotional about the whole thing.</p><p>For the record,</p></div><p>That's because if<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET didn't come from Microsoft, virtually nobody would be using it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's highly likely that if .NET did n't come from Microsoft , nobody would be getting quite so emotional about the whole thing.For the record,That 's because if .NET did n't come from Microsoft , virtually nobody would be using it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's highly likely that if .NET didn't come from Microsoft, nobody would be getting quite so emotional about the whole thing.For the record,That's because if .NET didn't come from Microsoft, virtually nobody would be using it.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31629820</id>
	<title>Re:A coincidence?</title>
	<author>psbrogna</author>
	<datestamp>1269630600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your list is incomplete.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your list is incomplete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your list is incomplete.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31629874</id>
	<title>Re:His life's work?</title>
	<author>pembo13</author>
	<datestamp>1269630780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GNOME, he touched GNOME. Please leave my KDE alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GNOME , he touched GNOME .
Please leave my KDE alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GNOME, he touched GNOME.
Please leave my KDE alone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31630524</id>
	<title>Re:I know this is Slashdot but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269633240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not true, I can say that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET is absolute crap. I went out and bought $500 on books for ASP.net, spent several weeks studying them and learning the technology. Wrote several small web application. Then basically decided.<ol>
<li>I can do this faster in CakePHP or RoR or for that matter Perl CGI with template toolkit.</li><li>Hosting always costs more money.</li><li>Forms and inputs always look crappy.</li><li>Development is tedious and requires writing 3x the code.</li></ol><p>
At least for my industry (web development) the langauge is pathetic. One of the earlier posters on this story had mentioned how OSS had not produced a Java or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET competitor. I think I know why. OSS always produces a tool which the programmer likes and makes their jobs easier. Nobody who has a wide level off professional experience in web development would choose either Java or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET. These decisions are made by idiot management.<br>
<br>
Java is a systems language, effectively. It's gawdaful low level. And it uses strict type checking, which nobody wants except compiler writers.<br>
<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET is marginally better, it feels higher level. But not by much. Both are a bucket of fail compared to RAD OSS languages out there like Ruby, Python or Perl.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not true , I can say that .NET is absolute crap .
I went out and bought $ 500 on books for ASP.net , spent several weeks studying them and learning the technology .
Wrote several small web application .
Then basically decided .
I can do this faster in CakePHP or RoR or for that matter Perl CGI with template toolkit.Hosting always costs more money.Forms and inputs always look crappy.Development is tedious and requires writing 3x the code .
At least for my industry ( web development ) the langauge is pathetic .
One of the earlier posters on this story had mentioned how OSS had not produced a Java or .NET competitor .
I think I know why .
OSS always produces a tool which the programmer likes and makes their jobs easier .
Nobody who has a wide level off professional experience in web development would choose either Java or .NET .
These decisions are made by idiot management .
Java is a systems language , effectively .
It 's gawdaful low level .
And it uses strict type checking , which nobody wants except compiler writers .
.NET is marginally better , it feels higher level .
But not by much .
Both are a bucket of fail compared to RAD OSS languages out there like Ruby , Python or Perl .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not true, I can say that .NET is absolute crap.
I went out and bought $500 on books for ASP.net, spent several weeks studying them and learning the technology.
Wrote several small web application.
Then basically decided.
I can do this faster in CakePHP or RoR or for that matter Perl CGI with template toolkit.Hosting always costs more money.Forms and inputs always look crappy.Development is tedious and requires writing 3x the code.
At least for my industry (web development) the langauge is pathetic.
One of the earlier posters on this story had mentioned how OSS had not produced a Java or .NET competitor.
I think I know why.
OSS always produces a tool which the programmer likes and makes their jobs easier.
Nobody who has a wide level off professional experience in web development would choose either Java or .NET.
These decisions are made by idiot management.
Java is a systems language, effectively.
It's gawdaful low level.
And it uses strict type checking, which nobody wants except compiler writers.
.NET is marginally better, it feels higher level.
But not by much.
Both are a bucket of fail compared to RAD OSS languages out there like Ruby, Python or Perl.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31629114</id>
	<title>Re:Too bad. I was willing to think he'd grown up.</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1269628260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I'd thought that after all this time he was finally wising up and accepting what everyone else on the planet was saying.</i></p><p>I wasn't saying that. Don't put words in my mouth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd thought that after all this time he was finally wising up and accepting what everyone else on the planet was saying.I was n't saying that .
Do n't put words in my mouth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd thought that after all this time he was finally wising up and accepting what everyone else on the planet was saying.I wasn't saying that.
Don't put words in my mouth.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627374</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627782</id>
	<title>This just in...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269624240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obama's kumbayah world view is sinking like a South Korean Naval vessel...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama 's kumbayah world view is sinking like a South Korean Naval vessel.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama's kumbayah world view is sinking like a South Korean Naval vessel...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627136</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627928</id>
	<title>Re:Good News</title>
	<author>An ominous Cow art</author>
	<datestamp>1269624660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So then, Mono is some form of STD?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So then , Mono is some form of STD ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So then, Mono is some form of STD?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627146</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627688</id>
	<title>Re:Lets get more rumors started.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269624000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>10 years ago I started the rumor that there are women on the internet here on slashdot and it was a success beyond my boldest projections.</p><p>It even caused real, life women to use the internet because they though that this was what they were supposed to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>10 years ago I started the rumor that there are women on the internet here on slashdot and it was a success beyond my boldest projections.It even caused real , life women to use the internet because they though that this was what they were supposed to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>10 years ago I started the rumor that there are women on the internet here on slashdot and it was a success beyond my boldest projections.It even caused real, life women to use the internet because they though that this was what they were supposed to do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627220</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31638414</id>
	<title>Re:-1 Misses the point</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269692940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whitespace.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whitespace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whitespace.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627914</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31630322</id>
	<title>Re:Inflamatory headling superceeds mundane content</title>
	<author>WED Fan</author>
	<datestamp>1269632460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I stand corrected. I think the problem is publicity. Thanks for the info.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I stand corrected .
I think the problem is publicity .
Thanks for the info .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I stand corrected.
I think the problem is publicity.
Thanks for the info.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627388</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31632118</id>
	<title>Re:A coincidence?</title>
	<author>DMiax</author>
	<datestamp>1269596580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course it must be the same person: Cruella de Vil! Oh clever you to have seen through her disguise!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course it must be the same person : Cruella de Vil !
Oh clever you to have seen through her disguise !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course it must be the same person: Cruella de Vil!
Oh clever you to have seen through her disguise!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627604</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31628046</id>
	<title>And what have YOU done for Free and Open Source?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269624960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know a lot of people on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. hate Miguel or want to sling mud at him but the majority of replies here really come across as your classic un-informed, ill-educated voter. You know, the type that screams a slogan without knowing a damn thing about the issue.</p><p>What has Miguel done for Free and Open Source? He started the GNOME project, as well as founding companies to employ the GNOME devs. He created Gnumeric. Hell.. FSF gave him an award for the "Advancement of Free Software" .</p><p>What have YOU done for Free Software? To say that he's a sell out, or sold his soul to Microsoft does him, and the free software community, a great dis-credit. The fact is, he is putting faith in a technology which is walking a very careful line. There are many who disagree with his line of reasoning but I doubt, given his history, he has any intention of "selling out" or harming free and open software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know a lot of people on / .
hate Miguel or want to sling mud at him but the majority of replies here really come across as your classic un-informed , ill-educated voter .
You know , the type that screams a slogan without knowing a damn thing about the issue.What has Miguel done for Free and Open Source ?
He started the GNOME project , as well as founding companies to employ the GNOME devs .
He created Gnumeric .
Hell.. FSF gave him an award for the " Advancement of Free Software " .What have YOU done for Free Software ?
To say that he 's a sell out , or sold his soul to Microsoft does him , and the free software community , a great dis-credit .
The fact is , he is putting faith in a technology which is walking a very careful line .
There are many who disagree with his line of reasoning but I doubt , given his history , he has any intention of " selling out " or harming free and open software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know a lot of people on /.
hate Miguel or want to sling mud at him but the majority of replies here really come across as your classic un-informed, ill-educated voter.
You know, the type that screams a slogan without knowing a damn thing about the issue.What has Miguel done for Free and Open Source?
He started the GNOME project, as well as founding companies to employ the GNOME devs.
He created Gnumeric.
Hell.. FSF gave him an award for the "Advancement of Free Software" .What have YOU done for Free Software?
To say that he's a sell out, or sold his soul to Microsoft does him, and the free software community, a great dis-credit.
The fact is, he is putting faith in a technology which is walking a very careful line.
There are many who disagree with his line of reasoning but I doubt, given his history, he has any intention of "selling out" or harming free and open software.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31630258</id>
	<title>Re:I know this is Slashdot but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269632220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><i>I think it's highly likely that if<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET didn't come from Microsoft, nobody would be getting quite so emotional about the whole thing.</i></p><p>It's funny how people distrust something designed by a company that has been systematically fucking over the entire software industry for decades.</p><p><i>For the record, I'm categorically not Microsoft's greatest fan...</i></p><p>Here we go.</p><p><i>but you cannot deny that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET/C# is a damn good platform.</i></p><p>Provided that it doesn't come with a knife in the back a few years down the road.  Given Microsoft's history I'd say that the probability of that happening is about 100\%.</p><p><i>Having a portable version of said good platform is therefore a Good Thing.</i></p><p>That really depends on what Microsoft decides to do in the future.</p><p><i>It doesn't matter if Microsoft decide to fuck Mono over...</i></p><p>Yeah...how could that possibly effect people who decide to use it?  What the hell are you smoking?</p><p><i>If you disagree and you don't like it, then fine; don't use it and stop whining.</i></p><p>What, like IE6 and Activex?  I (STILL) have to deal with that crap and I do so because I have to, not because I want to.  The people who make the initial decisions to go with certain software are rarely the ones who suffer directly.</p><p>What it really boils down to is this: why the hell should I trust Microsoft?  Oh right, this is Mono we are talking about, there's no way that Microsoft could get its fingers into that.  Want to buy a bridge?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's highly likely that if .NET did n't come from Microsoft , nobody would be getting quite so emotional about the whole thing.It 's funny how people distrust something designed by a company that has been systematically fucking over the entire software industry for decades.For the record , I 'm categorically not Microsoft 's greatest fan...Here we go.but you can not deny that .NET/C # is a damn good platform.Provided that it does n't come with a knife in the back a few years down the road .
Given Microsoft 's history I 'd say that the probability of that happening is about 100 \ % .Having a portable version of said good platform is therefore a Good Thing.That really depends on what Microsoft decides to do in the future.It does n't matter if Microsoft decide to fuck Mono over...Yeah...how could that possibly effect people who decide to use it ?
What the hell are you smoking ? If you disagree and you do n't like it , then fine ; do n't use it and stop whining.What , like IE6 and Activex ?
I ( STILL ) have to deal with that crap and I do so because I have to , not because I want to .
The people who make the initial decisions to go with certain software are rarely the ones who suffer directly.What it really boils down to is this : why the hell should I trust Microsoft ?
Oh right , this is Mono we are talking about , there 's no way that Microsoft could get its fingers into that .
Want to buy a bridge ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's highly likely that if .NET didn't come from Microsoft, nobody would be getting quite so emotional about the whole thing.It's funny how people distrust something designed by a company that has been systematically fucking over the entire software industry for decades.For the record, I'm categorically not Microsoft's greatest fan...Here we go.but you cannot deny that .NET/C# is a damn good platform.Provided that it doesn't come with a knife in the back a few years down the road.
Given Microsoft's history I'd say that the probability of that happening is about 100\%.Having a portable version of said good platform is therefore a Good Thing.That really depends on what Microsoft decides to do in the future.It doesn't matter if Microsoft decide to fuck Mono over...Yeah...how could that possibly effect people who decide to use it?
What the hell are you smoking?If you disagree and you don't like it, then fine; don't use it and stop whining.What, like IE6 and Activex?
I (STILL) have to deal with that crap and I do so because I have to, not because I want to.
The people who make the initial decisions to go with certain software are rarely the ones who suffer directly.What it really boils down to is this: why the hell should I trust Microsoft?
Oh right, this is Mono we are talking about, there's no way that Microsoft could get its fingers into that.
Want to buy a bridge?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31629576</id>
	<title>Re:I know this is Slashdot but...</title>
	<author>slimjim8094</author>
	<datestamp>1269629880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I agree with you, but you have the arguments wrong. The problem people had was that Icaza was pushing Mono so hard for things that didn't need it (Tomboy) that he came off like a shill. And that he was convinced there were no patent issues and everybody should start using it, despite the fact that patent issues are/were a real problem.</p><p>So he came off as a guy who was working on an inferior implementation of a Microsoft product and was strongly pushing for its infiltration into the Linux desktop, and giving his word (but not much else) that'd it be all hunky dory. It looked a whole lot like "embrace, extend, extinguish".</p><p>Now, for the record, I don't care that much about<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET - I'm not a fan, but I hear it's done pretty well. Only time I've ever had a problem with Mono is needing the whole damn framework installed for some postit note utility. I'm just pointing out that the issue is a lot less trivial than you portray.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with you , but you have the arguments wrong .
The problem people had was that Icaza was pushing Mono so hard for things that did n't need it ( Tomboy ) that he came off like a shill .
And that he was convinced there were no patent issues and everybody should start using it , despite the fact that patent issues are/were a real problem.So he came off as a guy who was working on an inferior implementation of a Microsoft product and was strongly pushing for its infiltration into the Linux desktop , and giving his word ( but not much else ) that 'd it be all hunky dory .
It looked a whole lot like " embrace , extend , extinguish " .Now , for the record , I do n't care that much about .NET - I 'm not a fan , but I hear it 's done pretty well .
Only time I 've ever had a problem with Mono is needing the whole damn framework installed for some postit note utility .
I 'm just pointing out that the issue is a lot less trivial than you portray .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with you, but you have the arguments wrong.
The problem people had was that Icaza was pushing Mono so hard for things that didn't need it (Tomboy) that he came off like a shill.
And that he was convinced there were no patent issues and everybody should start using it, despite the fact that patent issues are/were a real problem.So he came off as a guy who was working on an inferior implementation of a Microsoft product and was strongly pushing for its infiltration into the Linux desktop, and giving his word (but not much else) that'd it be all hunky dory.
It looked a whole lot like "embrace, extend, extinguish".Now, for the record, I don't care that much about .NET - I'm not a fan, but I hear it's done pretty well.
Only time I've ever had a problem with Mono is needing the whole damn framework installed for some postit note utility.
I'm just pointing out that the issue is a lot less trivial than you portray.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31631884</id>
	<title>Re:-1 Misses the point</title>
	<author>Simon80</author>
	<datestamp>1269595740000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So in fact it seems Miguel was right all along - right about the need, right about the solution, right that Microsoft would not attempt to "destroy Linux" by leveraging patents. Instead they specifically promised in writing not to do that. Why? Probably because they don't care about Linux anymore. The world has moved on, what once seemed like a threat to their business no longer is.</p></div></blockquote><p>Right, it's not a threat to their business, and they've been insightful enough to realize that. Which is
<a href="http://www.novell.com/news/press/microsoft\_and\_novell\_announce\_broad\_collaboration\_on\_windows\_and\_linux\_interoperability\_and\_support" title="novell.com">why</a> [novell.com]
<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2007/mar07/03-21FujiXeroxPR.mspx" title="microsoft.com">they</a> [microsoft.com]
<a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune\_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/" title="cnn.com">haven't</a> [cnn.com]
<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2007/jun07/06-06MSLGEPR.mspx" title="microsoft.com">leveraged</a> [microsoft.com]
<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/aug07/08-14ScalixInteropPR.mspx" title="microsoft.com">their</a> [microsoft.com]
<a href="http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Linspire-6.0-with-Microsoft-Technology-and-Intellectual-Property-Assurances" title="linux-magazine.com">patents</a> [linux-magazine.com]
<a href="http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Patent-Protection-Turbolinux-to-Cooperate-with-Microsoft/(kategorie)/0" title="linux-magazine.com">against</a> [linux-magazine.com]
<a href="http://www.infoworld.com/d/security-central/microsoft-sues-linux-based-vendor-over-patents-789" title="infoworld.com">Linux</a> [infoworld.com]
<a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5346" title="zdnet.com">in</a> [zdnet.com]
<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2010/mar10/03-03iodatapr.mspx" title="microsoft.com">any</a> [microsoft.com]
<a href="http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/03/microsofts-linux-patent-scare.html" title="internetnews.com">way.</a> [internetnews.com] Have you been living in a cave for the last 5 years?
</p><p>On the other hand, there's no evidence from all of the above saber-rattling that Linux is infringing upon any of their patents. If they really have a credible infringement case, why haven't they sued Canonical, Red Hat, Mandriva, or any other company that hasn't agreed to "build bridges" with them? One also could wonder why they haven't publicly stated which patents are infringed, but the answer is of course that with or without a credible case, publicly stating which patents are infringed upon would allow the FOSS community to fight back with workarounds or invalidations of those patents.</p></div>
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<tokenext>So in fact it seems Miguel was right all along - right about the need , right about the solution , right that Microsoft would not attempt to " destroy Linux " by leveraging patents .
Instead they specifically promised in writing not to do that .
Why ? Probably because they do n't care about Linux anymore .
The world has moved on , what once seemed like a threat to their business no longer is.Right , it 's not a threat to their business , and they 've been insightful enough to realize that .
Which is why [ novell.com ] they [ microsoft.com ] have n't [ cnn.com ] leveraged [ microsoft.com ] their [ microsoft.com ] patents [ linux-magazine.com ] against [ linux-magazine.com ] Linux [ infoworld.com ] in [ zdnet.com ] any [ microsoft.com ] way .
[ internetnews.com ] Have you been living in a cave for the last 5 years ?
On the other hand , there 's no evidence from all of the above saber-rattling that Linux is infringing upon any of their patents .
If they really have a credible infringement case , why have n't they sued Canonical , Red Hat , Mandriva , or any other company that has n't agreed to " build bridges " with them ?
One also could wonder why they have n't publicly stated which patents are infringed , but the answer is of course that with or without a credible case , publicly stating which patents are infringed upon would allow the FOSS community to fight back with workarounds or invalidations of those patents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So in fact it seems Miguel was right all along - right about the need, right about the solution, right that Microsoft would not attempt to "destroy Linux" by leveraging patents.
Instead they specifically promised in writing not to do that.
Why? Probably because they don't care about Linux anymore.
The world has moved on, what once seemed like a threat to their business no longer is.Right, it's not a threat to their business, and they've been insightful enough to realize that.
Which is
why [novell.com]
they [microsoft.com]
haven't [cnn.com]
leveraged [microsoft.com]
their [microsoft.com]
patents [linux-magazine.com]
against [linux-magazine.com]
Linux [infoworld.com]
in [zdnet.com]
any [microsoft.com]
way.
[internetnews.com] Have you been living in a cave for the last 5 years?
On the other hand, there's no evidence from all of the above saber-rattling that Linux is infringing upon any of their patents.
If they really have a credible infringement case, why haven't they sued Canonical, Red Hat, Mandriva, or any other company that hasn't agreed to "build bridges" with them?
One also could wonder why they haven't publicly stated which patents are infringed, but the answer is of course that with or without a credible case, publicly stating which patents are infringed upon would allow the FOSS community to fight back with workarounds or invalidations of those patents.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31628770</id>
	<title>Re:Inflamatory headling superceeds mundane content</title>
	<author>Jerry</author>
	<datestamp>1269627300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Five months ahead?</p><p>How can you maintain and guarantee compatibility?  Divination, or do you actually work hand in hand with Microsoft<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET developers?</p><p>And, has Microsoft added ASP.NET and its other IP to the EMCA 334 &amp; 335 specifications, so that you can legally add them to MONO?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Five months ahead ? How can you maintain and guarantee compatibility ?
Divination , or do you actually work hand in hand with Microsoft .NET developers ? And , has Microsoft added ASP.NET and its other IP to the EMCA 334 &amp; 335 specifications , so that you can legally add them to MONO ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Five months ahead?How can you maintain and guarantee compatibility?
Divination, or do you actually work hand in hand with Microsoft .NET developers?And, has Microsoft added ASP.NET and its other IP to the EMCA 334 &amp; 335 specifications, so that you can legally add them to MONO?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31631698</id>
	<title>Re:I know this is Slashdot but...</title>
	<author>Homburg</author>
	<datestamp>1269594900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The '.net trap' is just another version of the Java trap</p></div><p>No, it isn't, and it's entirely because of Icaza's work that it isn't. The "Java trap" refers to writing free software programs that require non-free platforms (as Java was at the time) to run. But mono is an entirely free software platform, and so writing programs for mono introduces no dependence on non-free software. As the FSF article on the Java trap says:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The reliable way to avoid the Java Trap is to have only a free implementation of Java on your system.</p></div><p>Likewise, by developing for a free implementation of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net, i.e., mono, you avoid the ".Net trap."</p></div>
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<tokenext>The '.net trap ' is just another version of the Java trapNo , it is n't , and it 's entirely because of Icaza 's work that it is n't .
The " Java trap " refers to writing free software programs that require non-free platforms ( as Java was at the time ) to run .
But mono is an entirely free software platform , and so writing programs for mono introduces no dependence on non-free software .
As the FSF article on the Java trap says : The reliable way to avoid the Java Trap is to have only a free implementation of Java on your system.Likewise , by developing for a free implementation of .Net , i.e. , mono , you avoid the " .Net trap .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The '.net trap' is just another version of the Java trapNo, it isn't, and it's entirely because of Icaza's work that it isn't.
The "Java trap" refers to writing free software programs that require non-free platforms (as Java was at the time) to run.
But mono is an entirely free software platform, and so writing programs for mono introduces no dependence on non-free software.
As the FSF article on the Java trap says:The reliable way to avoid the Java Trap is to have only a free implementation of Java on your system.Likewise, by developing for a free implementation of .Net, i.e., mono, you avoid the ".Net trap.
"
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31631174</id>
	<title>The only problem w/ Mono are the (L)GPL parts.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269636000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>They should switch all of it to a permissive license like MIT in the next release, which is very unlikely to happen, giving Java (Apache Harmony) and maybe even Google Go an edge.</p><p>(Signed: Alex Libman's sock-puppet.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should switch all of it to a permissive license like MIT in the next release , which is very unlikely to happen , giving Java ( Apache Harmony ) and maybe even Google Go an edge .
( Signed : Alex Libman 's sock-puppet .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should switch all of it to a permissive license like MIT in the next release, which is very unlikely to happen, giving Java (Apache Harmony) and maybe even Google Go an edge.
(Signed: Alex Libman's sock-puppet.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31630756</id>
	<title>Re:His life's work?</title>
	<author>nstlgc</author>
	<datestamp>1269634260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>And by 'nobody cares about', Punto means 'I don't care about'.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And by 'nobody cares about ' , Punto means 'I do n't care about' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And by 'nobody cares about', Punto means 'I don't care about'.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627604</id>
	<title>A coincidence?</title>
	<author>BigHungryJoe</author>
	<datestamp>1269623640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>List of all open source iconoclasts --</p><p>Miguel de Icaza<br>Theo de Raadt</p><p>notice any similarities between the names?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>List of all open source iconoclasts --Miguel de IcazaTheo de Raadtnotice any similarities between the names ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>List of all open source iconoclasts --Miguel de IcazaTheo de Raadtnotice any similarities between the names?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31629052</id>
	<title>Still missing the point...</title>
	<author>dclozier</author>
	<datestamp>1269628080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Microsoft's patent pledge is a bit shallow. <a href="http://www.softwarefreedom.org/perspectives/2006/ms-patent-promise/" title="softwarefreedom.org" rel="nofollow">Bradley Kuhn</a> [softwarefreedom.org] wrote:<blockquote><div><p>A careful examination of Microsoft's Patent Pledge for Non-Compensated Developers reveals that it has little value. The patent covenant only applies to software that you develop at home and keep for yourself; the promises don't extend to others when you distribute. You cannot pass the rights to your downstream recipients, even to the maintainers of larger projects on which your contribution is built..Further, to qualify for the pledge, a developer must remain unpaid for her work. Experience has shown that many FOSS developers eventually expand their work into for-profit consulting. Others are hired by companies that allow or encourage Free Software development on company time. In either situation, Microsoft's patent pledge is voided for that developer..Even if the patent pledge were to have some use aside from these problems, our community simply could not rely on it, since Microsoft has explicitly reserved the right to change its terms at any time in the future. A developer relying on the pledge could wake up any day to find it revoked. She'd have to cease development on her non-commercial and (mostly) non-distributable modifications that were previously subject to the covenant.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
I'm sure that as long as companies follow in Novell's footsteps they'll be fine.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Microsoft 's patent pledge is a bit shallow .
Bradley Kuhn [ softwarefreedom.org ] wrote : A careful examination of Microsoft 's Patent Pledge for Non-Compensated Developers reveals that it has little value .
The patent covenant only applies to software that you develop at home and keep for yourself ; the promises do n't extend to others when you distribute .
You can not pass the rights to your downstream recipients , even to the maintainers of larger projects on which your contribution is built..Further , to qualify for the pledge , a developer must remain unpaid for her work .
Experience has shown that many FOSS developers eventually expand their work into for-profit consulting .
Others are hired by companies that allow or encourage Free Software development on company time .
In either situation , Microsoft 's patent pledge is voided for that developer..Even if the patent pledge were to have some use aside from these problems , our community simply could not rely on it , since Microsoft has explicitly reserved the right to change its terms at any time in the future .
A developer relying on the pledge could wake up any day to find it revoked .
She 'd have to cease development on her non-commercial and ( mostly ) non-distributable modifications that were previously subject to the covenant .
I 'm sure that as long as companies follow in Novell 's footsteps they 'll be fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft's patent pledge is a bit shallow.
Bradley Kuhn [softwarefreedom.org] wrote:A careful examination of Microsoft's Patent Pledge for Non-Compensated Developers reveals that it has little value.
The patent covenant only applies to software that you develop at home and keep for yourself; the promises don't extend to others when you distribute.
You cannot pass the rights to your downstream recipients, even to the maintainers of larger projects on which your contribution is built..Further, to qualify for the pledge, a developer must remain unpaid for her work.
Experience has shown that many FOSS developers eventually expand their work into for-profit consulting.
Others are hired by companies that allow or encourage Free Software development on company time.
In either situation, Microsoft's patent pledge is voided for that developer..Even if the patent pledge were to have some use aside from these problems, our community simply could not rely on it, since Microsoft has explicitly reserved the right to change its terms at any time in the future.
A developer relying on the pledge could wake up any day to find it revoked.
She'd have to cease development on her non-commercial and (mostly) non-distributable modifications that were previously subject to the covenant.
I'm sure that as long as companies follow in Novell's footsteps they'll be fine.
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	<title>Re:Lets get more rumors started.</title>
	<author>mrsteveman1</author>
	<datestamp>1269624600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Linus is accepting patches from NAMBLA!!</p></div><p>I think he's also accepting patches from NAMPLA, look how fat this penguin has become after all the abuse:</p><p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Tux.png" title="wikimedia.org">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Tux.png</a> [wikimedia.org]</p></div>
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<tokenext>Linus is accepting patches from NAMBLA !
! I think he 's also accepting patches from NAMPLA , look how fat this penguin has become after all the abuse : http : //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Tux.png [ wikimedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linus is accepting patches from NAMBLA!
!I think he's also accepting patches from NAMPLA, look how fat this penguin has become after all the abuse:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Tux.png [wikimedia.org]
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31629652</id>
	<title>Re:-1 Misses the point</title>
	<author>Alex Belits</author>
	<datestamp>1269630060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There was no open source framework like this because no one in his right mind would want to develop such a framework for his own use.</p><p>Both Java and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET are frameworks made for OTHER people, so those other people can produce seemingly working software while being completely ignorant and untrained. This is why most of "convenience" of Java and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET is completely irrelevant for developers who produce high-quality code -- as far as language is concerned, if one can notice any "improvement" between C++ and Java, he is likely not qualified to use either.</p><p>Java and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET conquer developers by building massive blobs of interdependent infrastructure that can be only used within those frameworks. Once someone makes an attempt to use a tiny part of it, he has to accept the whole thing, and reject everything else, as this is the core design behind those systems. This is why non-idiots end up working with Java and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET, not because those platforms are based on some kind of useful ideas.</p><p>And now those massive pieces of infrastructure are crumbling under their own weight because everyone who is working on them, mimics Sun and Microsoft, and writes his own massive infrastructures on top on those infrastructures without having nearly enough resources to maintain those things. It's infrastructures all the way down.</p><p>C++/Qt developer produces better-looking, more portable and much simpler GUI applications, C programmer does likewise with network servers, and Python programmer writes complex scripts. Java and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET ended up being a path toward eternal mediocrity that Microsoft so much relies on, and Sun ended up contributing to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was no open source framework like this because no one in his right mind would want to develop such a framework for his own use.Both Java and .NET are frameworks made for OTHER people , so those other people can produce seemingly working software while being completely ignorant and untrained .
This is why most of " convenience " of Java and .NET is completely irrelevant for developers who produce high-quality code -- as far as language is concerned , if one can notice any " improvement " between C + + and Java , he is likely not qualified to use either.Java and .NET conquer developers by building massive blobs of interdependent infrastructure that can be only used within those frameworks .
Once someone makes an attempt to use a tiny part of it , he has to accept the whole thing , and reject everything else , as this is the core design behind those systems .
This is why non-idiots end up working with Java and .NET , not because those platforms are based on some kind of useful ideas.And now those massive pieces of infrastructure are crumbling under their own weight because everyone who is working on them , mimics Sun and Microsoft , and writes his own massive infrastructures on top on those infrastructures without having nearly enough resources to maintain those things .
It 's infrastructures all the way down.C + + /Qt developer produces better-looking , more portable and much simpler GUI applications , C programmer does likewise with network servers , and Python programmer writes complex scripts .
Java and .NET ended up being a path toward eternal mediocrity that Microsoft so much relies on , and Sun ended up contributing to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was no open source framework like this because no one in his right mind would want to develop such a framework for his own use.Both Java and .NET are frameworks made for OTHER people, so those other people can produce seemingly working software while being completely ignorant and untrained.
This is why most of "convenience" of Java and .NET is completely irrelevant for developers who produce high-quality code -- as far as language is concerned, if one can notice any "improvement" between C++ and Java, he is likely not qualified to use either.Java and .NET conquer developers by building massive blobs of interdependent infrastructure that can be only used within those frameworks.
Once someone makes an attempt to use a tiny part of it, he has to accept the whole thing, and reject everything else, as this is the core design behind those systems.
This is why non-idiots end up working with Java and .NET, not because those platforms are based on some kind of useful ideas.And now those massive pieces of infrastructure are crumbling under their own weight because everyone who is working on them, mimics Sun and Microsoft, and writes his own massive infrastructures on top on those infrastructures without having nearly enough resources to maintain those things.
It's infrastructures all the way down.C++/Qt developer produces better-looking, more portable and much simpler GUI applications, C programmer does likewise with network servers, and Python programmer writes complex scripts.
Java and .NET ended up being a path toward eternal mediocrity that Microsoft so much relies on, and Sun ended up contributing to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31630348</id>
	<title>why fud?</title>
	<author>Jeek Elemental</author>
	<datestamp>1269632580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>from the link:</p><p>"Unlike the Java world that is blossoming with dozens of vibrant Java virtual machine implementations, the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET world has suffered by this meme spread by Ballmer that they would come after people that do not license patents from them."</p><p>"The veil of threats that existed over the runtime in 2001 was lifted with the Community Promise announcement but it took eight years, and those were eight years of lost opportunity and FUD directed at all things Microsoft. "</p><p>Maybe we define fud differently, I wouldnt use it regarding statements that are facts, and even confirmed to be so in the same block of text.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>from the link : " Unlike the Java world that is blossoming with dozens of vibrant Java virtual machine implementations , the .NET world has suffered by this meme spread by Ballmer that they would come after people that do not license patents from them .
" " The veil of threats that existed over the runtime in 2001 was lifted with the Community Promise announcement but it took eight years , and those were eight years of lost opportunity and FUD directed at all things Microsoft .
" Maybe we define fud differently , I wouldnt use it regarding statements that are facts , and even confirmed to be so in the same block of text .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from the link:"Unlike the Java world that is blossoming with dozens of vibrant Java virtual machine implementations, the .NET world has suffered by this meme spread by Ballmer that they would come after people that do not license patents from them.
""The veil of threats that existed over the runtime in 2001 was lifted with the Community Promise announcement but it took eight years, and those were eight years of lost opportunity and FUD directed at all things Microsoft.
"Maybe we define fud differently, I wouldnt use it regarding statements that are facts, and even confirmed to be so in the same block of text.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627146</id>
	<title>Good News</title>
	<author>MightyMartian</author>
	<datestamp>1269621900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good news everyone.  Icaza is still a whore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good news everyone .
Icaza is still a whore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good news everyone.
Icaza is still a whore.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31628624</id>
	<title>Re:His life's work?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269626760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He started GNOME (GNU Network Object Model Environment) and fu*cked it with MONO and the alliance with Microsoft.</p><p>KDE SC is now more free and better suited for commercial usage and even higer in technology stands than GNOME.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He started GNOME ( GNU Network Object Model Environment ) and fu * cked it with MONO and the alliance with Microsoft.KDE SC is now more free and better suited for commercial usage and even higer in technology stands than GNOME .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He started GNOME (GNU Network Object Model Environment) and fu*cked it with MONO and the alliance with Microsoft.KDE SC is now more free and better suited for commercial usage and even higer in technology stands than GNOME.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627220</id>
	<title>Lets get more rumors started.</title>
	<author>gad\_zuki!</author>
	<datestamp>1269622200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didnt you hear? Stallman converted to scientology and Linus is accepting patches from NAMBLA!!  Oh and the EFF finally released its spec for its homegrown DRM scheme.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Didnt you hear ?
Stallman converted to scientology and Linus is accepting patches from NAMBLA ! !
Oh and the EFF finally released its spec for its homegrown DRM scheme .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didnt you hear?
Stallman converted to scientology and Linus is accepting patches from NAMBLA!!
Oh and the EFF finally released its spec for its homegrown DRM scheme.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627136</id>
	<title>Inflamatory headling superceeds mundane content?</title>
	<author>RingDev</author>
	<datestamp>1269621840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Inflammatory headline supersedes mundane content? Say it ain't so!</p><p>-Rick</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Inflammatory headline supersedes mundane content ?
Say it ai n't so ! -Rick</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Inflammatory headline supersedes mundane content?
Say it ain't so!-Rick</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627748</id>
	<title>Re:Inflamatory headling superceeds mundane content</title>
	<author>mrsteveman1</author>
	<datestamp>1269624180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not call it Mono 4.0 then?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not call it Mono 4.0 then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not call it Mono 4.0 then?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31628484</id>
	<title>Even got picked up on Slashdot?</title>
	<author>wjousts</author>
	<datestamp>1269626280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is that supposed to imply that if it appeared on Slashdot it has some kind of legitimacy? You must be new here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that supposed to imply that if it appeared on Slashdot it has some kind of legitimacy ?
You must be new here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that supposed to imply that if it appeared on Slashdot it has some kind of legitimacy?
You must be new here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31629706</id>
	<title>Re:I know this is Slashdot but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269630240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think it's highly likely that if<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET didn't come from Microsoft, nobody would be getting quite so emotional about the whole thing.</p></div><p>As a matter of fact, that's<a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html" title="gnu.org">not true</a> [gnu.org].  The '.net trap' is just another version of the Java trap, only made more dangerous by the fact that Microsoft is known to be hostile to open source.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If you disagree and you don't like it, then fine; don't use it and stop whining.</p></div><p>The problem is that mono is included in Gnome, and if it spreads it will get harder and harder to avoid. Some of us would prefer to keep that from happening, because we know what the potential consequences would be.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's highly likely that if .NET did n't come from Microsoft , nobody would be getting quite so emotional about the whole thing.As a matter of fact , that'snot true [ gnu.org ] .
The '.net trap ' is just another version of the Java trap , only made more dangerous by the fact that Microsoft is known to be hostile to open source.If you disagree and you do n't like it , then fine ; do n't use it and stop whining.The problem is that mono is included in Gnome , and if it spreads it will get harder and harder to avoid .
Some of us would prefer to keep that from happening , because we know what the potential consequences would be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's highly likely that if .NET didn't come from Microsoft, nobody would be getting quite so emotional about the whole thing.As a matter of fact, that'snot true [gnu.org].
The '.net trap' is just another version of the Java trap, only made more dangerous by the fact that Microsoft is known to be hostile to open source.If you disagree and you don't like it, then fine; don't use it and stop whining.The problem is that mono is included in Gnome, and if it spreads it will get harder and harder to avoid.
Some of us would prefer to keep that from happening, because we know what the potential consequences would be.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627738</id>
	<title>Re:Inflamatory headling superceeds mundane content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269624120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel\_de\_Icaza#GNOME.2C\_Ximian.2C\_and\_Mono" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel\_de\_Icaza#GNOME.2C\_Ximian.2C\_and\_Mono</a> [wikipedia.org] </p><p><div class="quote"><p>In 1999, de Icaza, along with Nat Friedman, co-founded Helix Code, a GNOME-oriented free software company that employed a large number of other GNOME hackers. In 2001, Helix Code, later renamed Ximian, announced the Mono Project, to be led by de Icaza, with the goal to implement Microsoft's new<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET development platform on Linux and Unix-like platforms. In August 2003, Ximian was acquired by Novell, Inc. There, de Icaza is currently the Vice President of Developer Platform.</p></div><p>If you work for Novell, does that mean that Mono is a Novell product and thus covered by the Microsoft-Novell Patent cross license?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel \ _de \ _Icaza # GNOME.2C \ _Ximian.2C \ _and \ _Mono [ wikipedia.org ] In 1999 , de Icaza , along with Nat Friedman , co-founded Helix Code , a GNOME-oriented free software company that employed a large number of other GNOME hackers .
In 2001 , Helix Code , later renamed Ximian , announced the Mono Project , to be led by de Icaza , with the goal to implement Microsoft 's new .NET development platform on Linux and Unix-like platforms .
In August 2003 , Ximian was acquired by Novell , Inc. There , de Icaza is currently the Vice President of Developer Platform.If you work for Novell , does that mean that Mono is a Novell product and thus covered by the Microsoft-Novell Patent cross license ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel\_de\_Icaza#GNOME.2C\_Ximian.2C\_and\_Mono [wikipedia.org] In 1999, de Icaza, along with Nat Friedman, co-founded Helix Code, a GNOME-oriented free software company that employed a large number of other GNOME hackers.
In 2001, Helix Code, later renamed Ximian, announced the Mono Project, to be led by de Icaza, with the goal to implement Microsoft's new .NET development platform on Linux and Unix-like platforms.
In August 2003, Ximian was acquired by Novell, Inc. There, de Icaza is currently the Vice President of Developer Platform.If you work for Novell, does that mean that Mono is a Novell product and thus covered by the Microsoft-Novell Patent cross license?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627252</id>
	<title>Re:Inflamatory headling superceeds mundane content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269622260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The original article was a piece of wishful thinking that turned into much more than intended. That said, I don't think Mono has legs. It's too far behind the curve of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net development, with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net 4.0 hitting the streets soon, developers can never hope to easily port their latest and greatest over to Mono.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The original article was a piece of wishful thinking that turned into much more than intended .
That said , I do n't think Mono has legs .
It 's too far behind the curve of .Net development , with .Net 4.0 hitting the streets soon , developers can never hope to easily port their latest and greatest over to Mono .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original article was a piece of wishful thinking that turned into much more than intended.
That said, I don't think Mono has legs.
It's too far behind the curve of .Net development, with .Net 4.0 hitting the streets soon, developers can never hope to easily port their latest and greatest over to Mono.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31630656</id>
	<title>He HAS Admitted Defeat</title>
	<author>segedunum</author>
	<datestamp>1269633900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whatever way you cut it, this is an admission of defeat and it has been <b>exactly</b> what everyone has complained about regarding<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net and the nonsense surrounding Mono for years. De Icaza has sought to paint over it at every single turn until now. Maybe the penny seems to have finally dropped:<blockquote><div><p>"The most important part is that Microsoft has shot the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET ecosystem in the foot because of the constant thread of patent infringement that they have cast on the ecosystem. Unlike the Java world that is blossoming with dozens of vibrant Java virtual machine implementations, the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET world has suffered by this meme spread by Ballmer that they would come after people that do not license patents from them.</p><p>Sun on the other hand said from day one: we will not sue you over patent infringement if you implement your own Java. Google does something similar with their APIs and Google's Wave: they are giving everyone access to their stuff.</p><p> <b>As the only implementor of the ECMA standards outside of Microsoft, I sure would have hoped that they had given rights to everyone to implement.</b> They would still be the #1 stack, but it would have encouraged an ecosystem that would have innovated extensively around their platform.</p><p>Instead, people went and innovated on Java or other platforms that might not have been as advanced as<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET, but at least they were not under Microsoft threat."</p></div> </blockquote><p>

It's very clear. The part in bold I find most damning. This indicates that he knew all along that you couldn't create an open source implementation of even the CLR without permission from Microsoft. There is a lot in here, but people like Bruce Byfield obviously havent read it properly. He's tried top backtrack and cover up a bit by saying that it's all nothing, but it most certainly is something.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whatever way you cut it , this is an admission of defeat and it has been exactly what everyone has complained about regarding .Net and the nonsense surrounding Mono for years .
De Icaza has sought to paint over it at every single turn until now .
Maybe the penny seems to have finally dropped : " The most important part is that Microsoft has shot the .NET ecosystem in the foot because of the constant thread of patent infringement that they have cast on the ecosystem .
Unlike the Java world that is blossoming with dozens of vibrant Java virtual machine implementations , the .NET world has suffered by this meme spread by Ballmer that they would come after people that do not license patents from them.Sun on the other hand said from day one : we will not sue you over patent infringement if you implement your own Java .
Google does something similar with their APIs and Google 's Wave : they are giving everyone access to their stuff .
As the only implementor of the ECMA standards outside of Microsoft , I sure would have hoped that they had given rights to everyone to implement .
They would still be the # 1 stack , but it would have encouraged an ecosystem that would have innovated extensively around their platform.Instead , people went and innovated on Java or other platforms that might not have been as advanced as .NET , but at least they were not under Microsoft threat .
" It 's very clear .
The part in bold I find most damning .
This indicates that he knew all along that you could n't create an open source implementation of even the CLR without permission from Microsoft .
There is a lot in here , but people like Bruce Byfield obviously havent read it properly .
He 's tried top backtrack and cover up a bit by saying that it 's all nothing , but it most certainly is something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whatever way you cut it, this is an admission of defeat and it has been exactly what everyone has complained about regarding .Net and the nonsense surrounding Mono for years.
De Icaza has sought to paint over it at every single turn until now.
Maybe the penny seems to have finally dropped:"The most important part is that Microsoft has shot the .NET ecosystem in the foot because of the constant thread of patent infringement that they have cast on the ecosystem.
Unlike the Java world that is blossoming with dozens of vibrant Java virtual machine implementations, the .NET world has suffered by this meme spread by Ballmer that they would come after people that do not license patents from them.Sun on the other hand said from day one: we will not sue you over patent infringement if you implement your own Java.
Google does something similar with their APIs and Google's Wave: they are giving everyone access to their stuff.
As the only implementor of the ECMA standards outside of Microsoft, I sure would have hoped that they had given rights to everyone to implement.
They would still be the #1 stack, but it would have encouraged an ecosystem that would have innovated extensively around their platform.Instead, people went and innovated on Java or other platforms that might not have been as advanced as .NET, but at least they were not under Microsoft threat.
" 

It's very clear.
The part in bold I find most damning.
This indicates that he knew all along that you couldn't create an open source implementation of even the CLR without permission from Microsoft.
There is a lot in here, but people like Bruce Byfield obviously havent read it properly.
He's tried top backtrack and cover up a bit by saying that it's all nothing, but it most certainly is something.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627388</id>
	<title>Re:Inflamatory headling superceeds mundane content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269622920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have announced that our upcoming Mono release (2.8) will default to 4.0:</p><p><a href="http://www.mono-project.com/Roadmap" title="mono-project.com">http://www.mono-project.com/Roadmap</a> [mono-project.com]</p><p>For the first time in Mono's history our C# compiler and its supporting engine and core libraries were done before Microsoft released the product, we were usually one to two years behind.   This time we are some five months ahead of time:</p><p><a href="http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Dec-09.html" title="tirania.org">http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Dec-09.html</a> [tirania.org]</p><p>There are still a handful of loose ends here and there, but luckily, nothing major.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have announced that our upcoming Mono release ( 2.8 ) will default to 4.0 : http : //www.mono-project.com/Roadmap [ mono-project.com ] For the first time in Mono 's history our C # compiler and its supporting engine and core libraries were done before Microsoft released the product , we were usually one to two years behind .
This time we are some five months ahead of time : http : //tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Dec-09.html [ tirania.org ] There are still a handful of loose ends here and there , but luckily , nothing major .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have announced that our upcoming Mono release (2.8) will default to 4.0:http://www.mono-project.com/Roadmap [mono-project.com]For the first time in Mono's history our C# compiler and its supporting engine and core libraries were done before Microsoft released the product, we were usually one to two years behind.
This time we are some five months ahead of time:http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Dec-09.html [tirania.org]There are still a handful of loose ends here and there, but luckily, nothing major.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627914</id>
	<title>Re:-1 Misses the point</title>
	<author>Dan Ost</author>
	<datestamp>1269624600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What does java do that python can't?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What does java do that python ca n't ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does java do that python can't?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31631822</id>
	<title>What consequences?</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1269595380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>because we know what the potential consequences would be.</i></p><p>Those consequences would be... what, exactly?  A few OSS projects being shut down?  Some distros forced to remove a few packages?  OH GOD NO!  THE HORROR!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>because we know what the potential consequences would be.Those consequences would be... what , exactly ?
A few OSS projects being shut down ?
Some distros forced to remove a few packages ?
OH GOD NO !
THE HORROR !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because we know what the potential consequences would be.Those consequences would be... what, exactly?
A few OSS projects being shut down?
Some distros forced to remove a few packages?
OH GOD NO!
THE HORROR!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31638672</id>
	<title>Re:-1 Misses the point</title>
	<author>cheesybagel</author>
	<datestamp>1269697080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He's wrong. Python would fit in that category. As would several other languages such as Ruby.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's wrong .
Python would fit in that category .
As would several other languages such as Ruby .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's wrong.
Python would fit in that category.
As would several other languages such as Ruby.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31630786</id>
	<title>Eben Moglen says Novell trapped Microsoft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269634380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... by getting into the Devil's deal and distributing Linux coupons. Since Microsoft distributed GPL3ed Linux, the GPL ensures that they cannot sue other Linux distributors and contributors for patent violation.</p><p>This was why it was necessary to get Microsoft into a deal where they paid to help Novell sell Linux.<br>Miguel probably pulled a Gorbachev on Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... by getting into the Devil 's deal and distributing Linux coupons .
Since Microsoft distributed GPL3ed Linux , the GPL ensures that they can not sue other Linux distributors and contributors for patent violation.This was why it was necessary to get Microsoft into a deal where they paid to help Novell sell Linux.Miguel probably pulled a Gorbachev on Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... by getting into the Devil's deal and distributing Linux coupons.
Since Microsoft distributed GPL3ed Linux, the GPL ensures that they cannot sue other Linux distributors and contributors for patent violation.This was why it was necessary to get Microsoft into a deal where they paid to help Novell sell Linux.Miguel probably pulled a Gorbachev on Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31633406</id>
	<title>Re:I know this is Slashdot but...</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1269602340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean, if instead of Microsoft the patent holder were Apple, Nokia et al, and instead of an optional part of a software development stack it were a standard covering the entirety of the world wide web? Why, they'd be just as emotional, except it'd be about how not *everybody* welcomes them with open arms.</p><p>I know, I know, lots of people post to Slashdot and all that, but why the hell do Mono stories get so many "hurr patents bad hurr" guys while anything concerning h.264 is nothing but an endless stream of "suck it Firefox, h.264 is here to stay so throw MPEG-LA a big, fat check and STFU"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean , if instead of Microsoft the patent holder were Apple , Nokia et al , and instead of an optional part of a software development stack it were a standard covering the entirety of the world wide web ?
Why , they 'd be just as emotional , except it 'd be about how not * everybody * welcomes them with open arms.I know , I know , lots of people post to Slashdot and all that , but why the hell do Mono stories get so many " hurr patents bad hurr " guys while anything concerning h.264 is nothing but an endless stream of " suck it Firefox , h.264 is here to stay so throw MPEG-LA a big , fat check and STFU " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean, if instead of Microsoft the patent holder were Apple, Nokia et al, and instead of an optional part of a software development stack it were a standard covering the entirety of the world wide web?
Why, they'd be just as emotional, except it'd be about how not *everybody* welcomes them with open arms.I know, I know, lots of people post to Slashdot and all that, but why the hell do Mono stories get so many "hurr patents bad hurr" guys while anything concerning h.264 is nothing but an endless stream of "suck it Firefox, h.264 is here to stay so throw MPEG-LA a big, fat check and STFU"?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627516</id>
	<title>Re:Lets get more rumors started.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269623340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude, really?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, really?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627484</id>
	<title>His life's work?</title>
	<author>Punto</author>
	<datestamp>1269623220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't this guy start Gnome (or maybe KDE)? that is actually "life's work" worthy, not something nobody cares about like mono.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't this guy start Gnome ( or maybe KDE ) ?
that is actually " life 's work " worthy , not something nobody cares about like mono .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't this guy start Gnome (or maybe KDE)?
that is actually "life's work" worthy, not something nobody cares about like mono.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31654640</id>
	<title>Re:Inflamatory headling superceeds mundane content</title>
	<author>m1xram</author>
	<datestamp>1269858000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wonder who switched his bulb on. Second place really sucks in two player game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wonder who switched his bulb on .
Second place really sucks in two player game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wonder who switched his bulb on.
Second place really sucks in two player game.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31630812</id>
	<title>Not just against Linux</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1269634560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, lets agree to MS that Linux is a piece of uncontrolled anarchic software. What about OS X which they could convert multi million line monster to Cocoa in matter of year? Yes, MS Office.</p><p>They also make huge money from MS Office sales on OS X, there is something like Apple Inc. which they can call anytime. The API is stable, nobody comes up and invents another sound system. So... Where the hell is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET 3.5 SP1 for OS X?</p><p>Yes, I am expecting them to ship that framework for OS X if it is really a standard, not a trick to save their own Windows OS. No, I don't want some guy's clone, I want the real thing. Code will load on XCode (the same Xcode they use), compile without a single modification and run. That is what Java, Trolltech (Nokia) Qt and their own (!) GTK 2 is. Community isn't an issue either, nobody on OS X land (real, general users) gives a heck to DRM or free sofware philosophy. No RMS here either.</p><p>So, MS , where is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET\_3.5SP1.DMG we can download and install?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , lets agree to MS that Linux is a piece of uncontrolled anarchic software .
What about OS X which they could convert multi million line monster to Cocoa in matter of year ?
Yes , MS Office.They also make huge money from MS Office sales on OS X , there is something like Apple Inc. which they can call anytime .
The API is stable , nobody comes up and invents another sound system .
So... Where the hell is .NET 3.5 SP1 for OS X ? Yes , I am expecting them to ship that framework for OS X if it is really a standard , not a trick to save their own Windows OS .
No , I do n't want some guy 's clone , I want the real thing .
Code will load on XCode ( the same Xcode they use ) , compile without a single modification and run .
That is what Java , Trolltech ( Nokia ) Qt and their own ( !
) GTK 2 is .
Community is n't an issue either , nobody on OS X land ( real , general users ) gives a heck to DRM or free sofware philosophy .
No RMS here either.So , MS , where is .NET \ _3.5SP1.DMG we can download and install ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, lets agree to MS that Linux is a piece of uncontrolled anarchic software.
What about OS X which they could convert multi million line monster to Cocoa in matter of year?
Yes, MS Office.They also make huge money from MS Office sales on OS X, there is something like Apple Inc. which they can call anytime.
The API is stable, nobody comes up and invents another sound system.
So... Where the hell is .NET 3.5 SP1 for OS X?Yes, I am expecting them to ship that framework for OS X if it is really a standard, not a trick to save their own Windows OS.
No, I don't want some guy's clone, I want the real thing.
Code will load on XCode (the same Xcode they use), compile without a single modification and run.
That is what Java, Trolltech (Nokia) Qt and their own (!
) GTK 2 is.
Community isn't an issue either, nobody on OS X land (real, general users) gives a heck to DRM or free sofware philosophy.
No RMS here either.So, MS , where is .NET\_3.5SP1.DMG we can download and install?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31629992</id>
	<title>Re:I know this is Slashdot but...</title>
	<author>at\_slashdot</author>
	<datestamp>1269631200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a Linux user (and fan, one could say) and in general don't like Microsoft and their products, but this is beyond ridiculous. Leave Miguel alone!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a Linux user ( and fan , one could say ) and in general do n't like Microsoft and their products , but this is beyond ridiculous .
Leave Miguel alone !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a Linux user (and fan, one could say) and in general don't like Microsoft and their products, but this is beyond ridiculous.
Leave Miguel alone!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31632976</id>
	<title>Re:His life's work?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269600120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, nowadays it&rsquo;s all the same anyway.</p><p>Don&rsquo;t believe me and like to censor me?<br>Then please go, and try to install a full Gnome desktop without Mono. Go ahead.<br>I know because I tried. It&rsquo;s not possible anymore. There are core elements that require it.<br>Just check your packages afterwards.</p><p>Yes, I know. WTF?<br>(No, I&rsquo;m not a Gnome hater. I&rsquo;m just very experienced with Microsoft&rsquo;s character. They only make you smile, to steal the gold that&rsquo;s hiding there. EEE and all that. And I will never ever believe that MS does something good. Because every time I fell for it, something even more evil happened right after it. Actually I don&rsquo;t want Gnome to get hurt. )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , nowadays it    s all the same anyway.Don    t believe me and like to censor me ? Then please go , and try to install a full Gnome desktop without Mono .
Go ahead.I know because I tried .
It    s not possible anymore .
There are core elements that require it.Just check your packages afterwards.Yes , I know .
WTF ? ( No , I    m not a Gnome hater .
I    m just very experienced with Microsoft    s character .
They only make you smile , to steal the gold that    s hiding there .
EEE and all that .
And I will never ever believe that MS does something good .
Because every time I fell for it , something even more evil happened right after it .
Actually I don    t want Gnome to get hurt .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, nowadays it’s all the same anyway.Don’t believe me and like to censor me?Then please go, and try to install a full Gnome desktop without Mono.
Go ahead.I know because I tried.
It’s not possible anymore.
There are core elements that require it.Just check your packages afterwards.Yes, I know.
WTF?(No, I’m not a Gnome hater.
I’m just very experienced with Microsoft’s character.
They only make you smile, to steal the gold that’s hiding there.
EEE and all that.
And I will never ever believe that MS does something good.
Because every time I fell for it, something even more evil happened right after it.
Actually I don’t want Gnome to get hurt.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31628314</id>
	<title>Re:Too bad. I was willing to think he'd grown up.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269625740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>wising up and accepting what everyone else on the planet was saying</i></p><p>Just to be clear, majority opinion does not always make right, and therefore is not a valid argument against his (or any) position. I don't think I have to point out that majority opinion is often dead wrong on political issues.</p><p>Logic makes a valid argument. Majority opinion does not. Majority opinion doesn't say a thing about whether a stance is correct or incorrect, but merely that a majority of people have adopted it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wising up and accepting what everyone else on the planet was sayingJust to be clear , majority opinion does not always make right , and therefore is not a valid argument against his ( or any ) position .
I do n't think I have to point out that majority opinion is often dead wrong on political issues.Logic makes a valid argument .
Majority opinion does not .
Majority opinion does n't say a thing about whether a stance is correct or incorrect , but merely that a majority of people have adopted it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wising up and accepting what everyone else on the planet was sayingJust to be clear, majority opinion does not always make right, and therefore is not a valid argument against his (or any) position.
I don't think I have to point out that majority opinion is often dead wrong on political issues.Logic makes a valid argument.
Majority opinion does not.
Majority opinion doesn't say a thing about whether a stance is correct or incorrect, but merely that a majority of people have adopted it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627208</id>
	<title>misquoted, again</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1269622140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>he said "sperm in a tea cup."  That's how he prefers to drink the microsoft jizz.</htmltext>
<tokenext>he said " sperm in a tea cup .
" That 's how he prefers to drink the microsoft jizz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>he said "sperm in a tea cup.
"  That's how he prefers to drink the microsoft jizz.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31627964</id>
	<title>Re:-1 Misses the point</title>
	<author>saigon\_from\_europe</author>
	<datestamp>1269624780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There is no home grown Linux, Apache or Android equivalent to compete with Java or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET.</p> </div><p>I would dare to say that PHP competes just fine, just for example.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no home grown Linux , Apache or Android equivalent to compete with Java or .NET .
I would dare to say that PHP competes just fine , just for example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no home grown Linux, Apache or Android equivalent to compete with Java or .NET.
I would dare to say that PHP competes just fine, just for example.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_1458229.31631600</id>
	<title>Re:Inflamatory headling superceeds mundane content</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1269594480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes but it's still<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net so being ahead on the core libs or not hopefully any sensible programmer will stay away from it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes but it 's still .Net so being ahead on the core libs or not hopefully any sensible programmer will stay away from it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes but it's still .Net so being ahead on the core libs or not hopefully any sensible programmer will stay away from it.</sentencetext>
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