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	<title>Journalism Students Assigned To Write On Wikipedia</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1269615540000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Reservoirhill" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"eCampus News reports that at the University of Denver, <a href="http://www.ecampusnews.com/?p=30120&amp;preview=true">journalism students are assigned to write Wikipedia entries</a> as part of a curriculum that stresses online writing and content creation, and students have so far composed 24 Wikipedia articles this year, covering topics from the gold standard to the San Juan Mountains to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimetallism">bimetallism</a>, an antiquated monetary standard. Journalism instructors Lynn Schofield Clark and Christof Demont-Heinrich say students are told to check their sourcing carefully, just as they would for an assignment at a local newspaper. 'Students are leery about mentioning Wikipedia, because they might be subjected to criticism.  But I tell them it's an online source of knowledge that just has some information that might be questionable, but that doesn't mean you have to dismiss all of [its content],' says Demont-Heinrich, who first assigned the Wikipedia writing to students in his introductory course taught during the university's recent winter semester. He said the Wikipedia entries didn't require old-school shoe leather reporting &mdash; because the online encyclopedia bars the use of original quotes &mdash; but they teach students how to thoroughly research a topic before publishing to a site that has over 350 million unique visitors and <a href="http://stats.wikimedia.org/reportcard/RC\_2010\_01\_detailed.html">gets over 10 billion page views a month</a>. 'I see journalism as being completely online within the next two to five years,' says Demont-Heinrich. 'If you're not trained to expect that and write for that, then you're not going to be ready for the work world.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " eCampus News reports that at the University of Denver , journalism students are assigned to write Wikipedia entries as part of a curriculum that stresses online writing and content creation , and students have so far composed 24 Wikipedia articles this year , covering topics from the gold standard to the San Juan Mountains to bimetallism , an antiquated monetary standard .
Journalism instructors Lynn Schofield Clark and Christof Demont-Heinrich say students are told to check their sourcing carefully , just as they would for an assignment at a local newspaper .
'Students are leery about mentioning Wikipedia , because they might be subjected to criticism .
But I tell them it 's an online source of knowledge that just has some information that might be questionable , but that does n't mean you have to dismiss all of [ its content ] , ' says Demont-Heinrich , who first assigned the Wikipedia writing to students in his introductory course taught during the university 's recent winter semester .
He said the Wikipedia entries did n't require old-school shoe leather reporting    because the online encyclopedia bars the use of original quotes    but they teach students how to thoroughly research a topic before publishing to a site that has over 350 million unique visitors and gets over 10 billion page views a month .
'I see journalism as being completely online within the next two to five years, ' says Demont-Heinrich .
'If you 're not trained to expect that and write for that , then you 're not going to be ready for the work world .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "eCampus News reports that at the University of Denver, journalism students are assigned to write Wikipedia entries as part of a curriculum that stresses online writing and content creation, and students have so far composed 24 Wikipedia articles this year, covering topics from the gold standard to the San Juan Mountains to bimetallism, an antiquated monetary standard.
Journalism instructors Lynn Schofield Clark and Christof Demont-Heinrich say students are told to check their sourcing carefully, just as they would for an assignment at a local newspaper.
'Students are leery about mentioning Wikipedia, because they might be subjected to criticism.
But I tell them it's an online source of knowledge that just has some information that might be questionable, but that doesn't mean you have to dismiss all of [its content],' says Demont-Heinrich, who first assigned the Wikipedia writing to students in his introductory course taught during the university's recent winter semester.
He said the Wikipedia entries didn't require old-school shoe leather reporting — because the online encyclopedia bars the use of original quotes — but they teach students how to thoroughly research a topic before publishing to a site that has over 350 million unique visitors and gets over 10 billion page views a month.
'I see journalism as being completely online within the next two to five years,' says Demont-Heinrich.
'If you're not trained to expect that and write for that, then you're not going to be ready for the work world.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627118</id>
	<title>Re:Wikipedia</title>
	<author>martyros</author>
	<datestamp>1269621660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Wikipedia has made it very easy for me simply dismiss only those facts I happen to disagree with.</p></div></blockquote><p>But of course, that's the same for a newspaper article.  I'd posit that as an information source, newspapers contain at least as much "questionable content" as Wikipedia. The only difference is that few people think newspapers are questionable unless they (1) disagree with what it's saying, or (2) are an expert in the subject area.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Wikipedia has made it very easy for me simply dismiss only those facts I happen to disagree with.But of course , that 's the same for a newspaper article .
I 'd posit that as an information source , newspapers contain at least as much " questionable content " as Wikipedia .
The only difference is that few people think newspapers are questionable unless they ( 1 ) disagree with what it 's saying , or ( 2 ) are an expert in the subject area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wikipedia has made it very easy for me simply dismiss only those facts I happen to disagree with.But of course, that's the same for a newspaper article.
I'd posit that as an information source, newspapers contain at least as much "questionable content" as Wikipedia.
The only difference is that few people think newspapers are questionable unless they (1) disagree with what it's saying, or (2) are an expert in the subject area.
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	<title>Post a Comment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269621420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>They should be forced to post a comment on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. if they want to learn how to take criticism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They should be forced to post a comment on / .
if they want to learn how to take criticism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should be forced to post a comment on /.
if they want to learn how to take criticism.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Kudos to Clark and Demont-Heinrich</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269628860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>They "get it." Wikipedia is unique, but it is based on elements of traditional scholarship--citing sources--and journalism--the "neutral point of view."</p><p>As for the snarky comments on notability, they are misplaced. The bar for notability is very low and easy to surmount, and the community culture tends to support inclusion if there is even a shred of supporting evidence to justify it. It is mostly a problem for those who object \_in principle\_ to bothering to provide evidence, to self-promoters who believe they should be free to use Wikipedia to publicize themselves and thus \_attain\_ notability, to people who regard themselves as experts and believe that they are entitled to contribute material without supporting evidence on their own authority. There is also principled opposition by people who have a different vision of what Wikipedia should be than the prevailing view.</p><p>I have rescued a number of articles from deletion simply by citing sources. One example: an article, when originally created, read in its entirety as follows: "[name], AKA the Rarin Librarian. One of Library Journal's Mover &amp; Shakers, West is best known for her 'blog, librarian.net." As such, it was ripe for deletion. What did I do? I found the source, the Library Journal article that called her a "mover and shaker" and demonstrated that Library Journal found her notable. I found that she'd been mentioned in The New York Times, as one of the "credentialed bloggers" given press credentials to attend a political convention, the first time that had been done. I found a Wired article about her opposition to the Patriot Act's library provisions. By adding these to the article, I showed that she had \_some\_ notability and allowed editors to gauge \_what that degree of notability was\_. That turned out to be sufficient to prevent deletion.</p><p>The librarian was no more and no less notable than she was when the original article was inserted and nominated for deletion. All that changed was that I was willing to put in a little work, and show what amount of notability she had--more than me, less than Meryl Streep; what she was notable for (not just starting a blog); and who, exactly, had taken note of her.</p><p>It is not hard to get a new article into Wikipedia. In an incident that demonstrated Wikipedia at its worst, some Dartmouth students who didn't follow their class assignments well contributed breezy articles in promotional language about their fraternities and their a cappella groups. They encountered a storm of criticism that unfortunately turned snarky, unkind, and dismissive as irritable editors saw Dartmouth article after Dartmouth article. Meanwhile, it almost passed unnoticed that other students had contributed valuable articles, such as one about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sanditon&amp;oldid=5394552" title="wikipedia.org">an unfinished Jane Austen novel</a> [wikipedia.org]. This was, of course, accepted, and nobody ever suggested that there was a notability problem, even though I never heard of it and I imagine you never did, either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They " get it .
" Wikipedia is unique , but it is based on elements of traditional scholarship--citing sources--and journalism--the " neutral point of view .
" As for the snarky comments on notability , they are misplaced .
The bar for notability is very low and easy to surmount , and the community culture tends to support inclusion if there is even a shred of supporting evidence to justify it .
It is mostly a problem for those who object \ _in principle \ _ to bothering to provide evidence , to self-promoters who believe they should be free to use Wikipedia to publicize themselves and thus \ _attain \ _ notability , to people who regard themselves as experts and believe that they are entitled to contribute material without supporting evidence on their own authority .
There is also principled opposition by people who have a different vision of what Wikipedia should be than the prevailing view.I have rescued a number of articles from deletion simply by citing sources .
One example : an article , when originally created , read in its entirety as follows : " [ name ] , AKA the Rarin Librarian .
One of Library Journal 's Mover &amp; Shakers , West is best known for her 'blog , librarian.net .
" As such , it was ripe for deletion .
What did I do ?
I found the source , the Library Journal article that called her a " mover and shaker " and demonstrated that Library Journal found her notable .
I found that she 'd been mentioned in The New York Times , as one of the " credentialed bloggers " given press credentials to attend a political convention , the first time that had been done .
I found a Wired article about her opposition to the Patriot Act 's library provisions .
By adding these to the article , I showed that she had \ _some \ _ notability and allowed editors to gauge \ _what that degree of notability was \ _ .
That turned out to be sufficient to prevent deletion.The librarian was no more and no less notable than she was when the original article was inserted and nominated for deletion .
All that changed was that I was willing to put in a little work , and show what amount of notability she had--more than me , less than Meryl Streep ; what she was notable for ( not just starting a blog ) ; and who , exactly , had taken note of her.It is not hard to get a new article into Wikipedia .
In an incident that demonstrated Wikipedia at its worst , some Dartmouth students who did n't follow their class assignments well contributed breezy articles in promotional language about their fraternities and their a cappella groups .
They encountered a storm of criticism that unfortunately turned snarky , unkind , and dismissive as irritable editors saw Dartmouth article after Dartmouth article .
Meanwhile , it almost passed unnoticed that other students had contributed valuable articles , such as one about an unfinished Jane Austen novel [ wikipedia.org ] .
This was , of course , accepted , and nobody ever suggested that there was a notability problem , even though I never heard of it and I imagine you never did , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They "get it.
" Wikipedia is unique, but it is based on elements of traditional scholarship--citing sources--and journalism--the "neutral point of view.
"As for the snarky comments on notability, they are misplaced.
The bar for notability is very low and easy to surmount, and the community culture tends to support inclusion if there is even a shred of supporting evidence to justify it.
It is mostly a problem for those who object \_in principle\_ to bothering to provide evidence, to self-promoters who believe they should be free to use Wikipedia to publicize themselves and thus \_attain\_ notability, to people who regard themselves as experts and believe that they are entitled to contribute material without supporting evidence on their own authority.
There is also principled opposition by people who have a different vision of what Wikipedia should be than the prevailing view.I have rescued a number of articles from deletion simply by citing sources.
One example: an article, when originally created, read in its entirety as follows: "[name], AKA the Rarin Librarian.
One of Library Journal's Mover &amp; Shakers, West is best known for her 'blog, librarian.net.
" As such, it was ripe for deletion.
What did I do?
I found the source, the Library Journal article that called her a "mover and shaker" and demonstrated that Library Journal found her notable.
I found that she'd been mentioned in The New York Times, as one of the "credentialed bloggers" given press credentials to attend a political convention, the first time that had been done.
I found a Wired article about her opposition to the Patriot Act's library provisions.
By adding these to the article, I showed that she had \_some\_ notability and allowed editors to gauge \_what that degree of notability was\_.
That turned out to be sufficient to prevent deletion.The librarian was no more and no less notable than she was when the original article was inserted and nominated for deletion.
All that changed was that I was willing to put in a little work, and show what amount of notability she had--more than me, less than Meryl Streep; what she was notable for (not just starting a blog); and who, exactly, had taken note of her.It is not hard to get a new article into Wikipedia.
In an incident that demonstrated Wikipedia at its worst, some Dartmouth students who didn't follow their class assignments well contributed breezy articles in promotional language about their fraternities and their a cappella groups.
They encountered a storm of criticism that unfortunately turned snarky, unkind, and dismissive as irritable editors saw Dartmouth article after Dartmouth article.
Meanwhile, it almost passed unnoticed that other students had contributed valuable articles, such as one about an unfinished Jane Austen novel [wikipedia.org].
This was, of course, accepted, and nobody ever suggested that there was a notability problem, even though I never heard of it and I imagine you never did, either.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31629366</id>
	<title>homework vandalized</title>
	<author>Khashishi</author>
	<datestamp>1269629160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Journalists at the University of Denver have their homework PENIS PENIS PENIS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Journalists at the University of Denver have their homework PENIS PENIS PENIS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Journalists at the University of Denver have their homework PENIS PENIS PENIS</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31630178</id>
	<title>Offensive Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269631980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I admit, I love the idea and would be willing to agree to it for a class--but I don't like the precedent.  Much like professors that have attempted to begin the semester with a syllabus claiming copyright over all homework submissions and projects...or an associate I know who had a professor refuse to grade a project until he signed over copyright... I find this notion...absurdly offensive and professionally inappropriate.</p><p>They should require that students deliver the article, and could justifiably offer some appropriate incentives for upload to wikipedia.  Since wikipedia basically requires me to give up my exclusive copyright on content I submit--it is not appropriate for a required class activity.</p><p>This should never, ever, be required.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I admit , I love the idea and would be willing to agree to it for a class--but I do n't like the precedent .
Much like professors that have attempted to begin the semester with a syllabus claiming copyright over all homework submissions and projects...or an associate I know who had a professor refuse to grade a project until he signed over copyright... I find this notion...absurdly offensive and professionally inappropriate.They should require that students deliver the article , and could justifiably offer some appropriate incentives for upload to wikipedia .
Since wikipedia basically requires me to give up my exclusive copyright on content I submit--it is not appropriate for a required class activity.This should never , ever , be required .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I admit, I love the idea and would be willing to agree to it for a class--but I don't like the precedent.
Much like professors that have attempted to begin the semester with a syllabus claiming copyright over all homework submissions and projects...or an associate I know who had a professor refuse to grade a project until he signed over copyright... I find this notion...absurdly offensive and professionally inappropriate.They should require that students deliver the article, and could justifiably offer some appropriate incentives for upload to wikipedia.
Since wikipedia basically requires me to give up my exclusive copyright on content I submit--it is not appropriate for a required class activity.This should never, ever, be required.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627716</id>
	<title>Re:Non-Notable</title>
	<author>pyrosim</author>
	<datestamp>1269624060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did you even read the page you linked? Wikipedia's notability policy is simply "A thing is notable if and only if you can provide citations that make us think you're not just making shit up." The requirements of the journalism assignment were explicitly that the articles should be well researched, so if a student produces an article that doesn't satisfy that policy, they should fail the class.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you even read the page you linked ?
Wikipedia 's notability policy is simply " A thing is notable if and only if you can provide citations that make us think you 're not just making shit up .
" The requirements of the journalism assignment were explicitly that the articles should be well researched , so if a student produces an article that does n't satisfy that policy , they should fail the class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you even read the page you linked?
Wikipedia's notability policy is simply "A thing is notable if and only if you can provide citations that make us think you're not just making shit up.
" The requirements of the journalism assignment were explicitly that the articles should be well researched, so if a student produces an article that doesn't satisfy that policy, they should fail the class.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Great, competent contributors</title>
	<author>fyoder</author>
	<datestamp>1269685800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Even if one only considers A grade undergraduate papers, there is a shitload of good stuff which would make great additions to Wikipedia just being stuck in boxes or worse trashed at the end of semester.</p><p>And to those potential authors I would say don't ever mention that you're an undergrad, or people with this sort of attitude won't give your work fair consideration.  Just let the work speak for itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if one only considers A grade undergraduate papers , there is a shitload of good stuff which would make great additions to Wikipedia just being stuck in boxes or worse trashed at the end of semester.And to those potential authors I would say do n't ever mention that you 're an undergrad , or people with this sort of attitude wo n't give your work fair consideration .
Just let the work speak for itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if one only considers A grade undergraduate papers, there is a shitload of good stuff which would make great additions to Wikipedia just being stuck in boxes or worse trashed at the end of semester.And to those potential authors I would say don't ever mention that you're an undergrad, or people with this sort of attitude won't give your work fair consideration.
Just let the work speak for itself.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627574</id>
	<title>Re:Post a Comment</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1269623520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Nice low-content post. Want to back that up with some sources? Your user name is terrible and you're a terrible person for posting this. I bet you like to eat hot grits while watching natalie portman films.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice low-content post .
Want to back that up with some sources ?
Your user name is terrible and you 're a terrible person for posting this .
I bet you like to eat hot grits while watching natalie portman films .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice low-content post.
Want to back that up with some sources?
Your user name is terrible and you're a terrible person for posting this.
I bet you like to eat hot grits while watching natalie portman films.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31645448</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269715860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>&ldquo;Accurate&rdquo; as in &ldquo;fits <strong>MY</strong> own version of a twisted reality nicely&rdquo;.</p><p>Sorry, but many Wikipedia admins don&rsquo;t know what they are reign over, and only allow what fits their world view. Which is usually the mainstream bullshit view.</p><p>Exactly like in democracy or in a incomplete communism (conveniently no provisional government ever finished the &ldquo;transition&rdquo;), as long as there are people in power over other people, they will use that power for their gains.<br>It&rsquo;s the natural result of natural selection: If you can spread your genes and ideas better, you&rsquo;ll do it. Or go extinct. Easy choice. (Watch the moderators do exactly that. ^^)</p><p>The great thing with Wikipedia is, that unlike landlocked state governments, it can be transformed a peer-to-peer cascading trust-relationship network. (Just like natural communication in human societies human.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>   Accurate    as in    fits MY own version of a twisted reality nicely    .Sorry , but many Wikipedia admins don    t know what they are reign over , and only allow what fits their world view .
Which is usually the mainstream bullshit view.Exactly like in democracy or in a incomplete communism ( conveniently no provisional government ever finished the    transition    ) , as long as there are people in power over other people , they will use that power for their gains.It    s the natural result of natural selection : If you can spread your genes and ideas better , you    ll do it .
Or go extinct .
Easy choice .
( Watch the moderators do exactly that .
^ ^ ) The great thing with Wikipedia is , that unlike landlocked state governments , it can be transformed a peer-to-peer cascading trust-relationship network .
( Just like natural communication in human societies human .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>“Accurate” as in “fits MY own version of a twisted reality nicely”.Sorry, but many Wikipedia admins don’t know what they are reign over, and only allow what fits their world view.
Which is usually the mainstream bullshit view.Exactly like in democracy or in a incomplete communism (conveniently no provisional government ever finished the “transition”), as long as there are people in power over other people, they will use that power for their gains.It’s the natural result of natural selection: If you can spread your genes and ideas better, you’ll do it.
Or go extinct.
Easy choice.
(Watch the moderators do exactly that.
^^)The great thing with Wikipedia is, that unlike landlocked state governments, it can be transformed a peer-to-peer cascading trust-relationship network.
(Just like natural communication in human societies human.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626870</id>
	<title>Heh.  Wikipedia, eh?</title>
	<author>RobotRunAmok</author>
	<datestamp>1269620520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I recommend they have majors in Journalism and minors in Political Science.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recommend they have majors in Journalism and minors in Political Science .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recommend they have majors in Journalism and minors in Political Science.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Old news on pt.wikipedia.org</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269635640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>This has been done a while ago on the Portuguese Wikipedia.<br>A professor from a Lisbon university assigned projects in 2008 and 2009 for students to write and/or develop articles about Logistics. Students would create accounts, write articles as well as they could according to project policies (the teacher had the care to expose the main editing policies on the project presentation page), and that work would count on their final grade. The whole thing was quite well planed, of course many things had to be adjusted along the way, but that's always the case on Wikipedias.<br>Now imagine ~20 clueless new users starting articles without much content and not really writing so much that older users could realise it was valuable content... yes, a lot of it went through deletion requests, there was discussion in the community about whether to allow projects of this nature go on or not...<br>In the end, after a lot of lack of proper communication, and too many impatient people involved in the problem, the professor turned into a troll and was blocked a number of times.<br>I could write quite a lot about how there is a clash of cultures between new users and the established ones, but I'd bore you lot.</p><p>Ex-pt.wp user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has been done a while ago on the Portuguese Wikipedia.A professor from a Lisbon university assigned projects in 2008 and 2009 for students to write and/or develop articles about Logistics .
Students would create accounts , write articles as well as they could according to project policies ( the teacher had the care to expose the main editing policies on the project presentation page ) , and that work would count on their final grade .
The whole thing was quite well planed , of course many things had to be adjusted along the way , but that 's always the case on Wikipedias.Now imagine ~ 20 clueless new users starting articles without much content and not really writing so much that older users could realise it was valuable content... yes , a lot of it went through deletion requests , there was discussion in the community about whether to allow projects of this nature go on or not...In the end , after a lot of lack of proper communication , and too many impatient people involved in the problem , the professor turned into a troll and was blocked a number of times.I could write quite a lot about how there is a clash of cultures between new users and the established ones , but I 'd bore you lot.Ex-pt.wp user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has been done a while ago on the Portuguese Wikipedia.A professor from a Lisbon university assigned projects in 2008 and 2009 for students to write and/or develop articles about Logistics.
Students would create accounts, write articles as well as they could according to project policies (the teacher had the care to expose the main editing policies on the project presentation page), and that work would count on their final grade.
The whole thing was quite well planed, of course many things had to be adjusted along the way, but that's always the case on Wikipedias.Now imagine ~20 clueless new users starting articles without much content and not really writing so much that older users could realise it was valuable content... yes, a lot of it went through deletion requests, there was discussion in the community about whether to allow projects of this nature go on or not...In the end, after a lot of lack of proper communication, and too many impatient people involved in the problem, the professor turned into a troll and was blocked a number of times.I could write quite a lot about how there is a clash of cultures between new users and the established ones, but I'd bore you lot.Ex-pt.wp user.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627740</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1269624120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>generally it is accurate.</p></div></blockquote><p>Outside of the science and non controversial topics, yeah.  Its "generally" accurate.  But it has many glaring holes where its only about as "generally" accurate as your average coffee table book or Discovery/History channel program on the subject.<br>
&nbsp; <br>Which is an entirely predictable outcome of having nonspecialists write articles on topics they really don't understand by stringing together citations from works they haven't the experience to know the context of.  The belief that anyone can write an article on anything, and have it be accurate, seems to me to be the same as the belief that "any manager (MBA) can manage anything".  And we all know how well that's worked out.</p></div>
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<tokenext>generally it is accurate.Outside of the science and non controversial topics , yeah .
Its " generally " accurate .
But it has many glaring holes where its only about as " generally " accurate as your average coffee table book or Discovery/History channel program on the subject .
  Which is an entirely predictable outcome of having nonspecialists write articles on topics they really do n't understand by stringing together citations from works they have n't the experience to know the context of .
The belief that anyone can write an article on anything , and have it be accurate , seems to me to be the same as the belief that " any manager ( MBA ) can manage anything " .
And we all know how well that 's worked out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>generally it is accurate.Outside of the science and non controversial topics, yeah.
Its "generally" accurate.
But it has many glaring holes where its only about as "generally" accurate as your average coffee table book or Discovery/History channel program on the subject.
  Which is an entirely predictable outcome of having nonspecialists write articles on topics they really don't understand by stringing together citations from works they haven't the experience to know the context of.
The belief that anyone can write an article on anything, and have it be accurate, seems to me to be the same as the belief that "any manager (MBA) can manage anything".
And we all know how well that's worked out.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626982</id>
	<title>Re:Quantum Theory</title>
	<author>barfy</author>
	<datestamp>1269620940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was taking that course.  Apparently I has getting an A and an F at the same time.  And I wouldn't know which until somebody looked at my work.   So I audited it instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was taking that course .
Apparently I has getting an A and an F at the same time .
And I would n't know which until somebody looked at my work .
So I audited it instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was taking that course.
Apparently I has getting an A and an F at the same time.
And I wouldn't know which until somebody looked at my work.
So I audited it instead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627958</id>
	<title>Not original</title>
	<author>RedMage</author>
	<datestamp>1269624720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can see how this might be interesting in that it's related to a "writing class", but it's an on-line writing class!  It is good to see that they are stressing some of the basics that may be somewhat lacking in some on-line (esp. non-journalistic) writing.</p><p>We had assignments to write articles for Wikipedia for several years as part of an electronic music class - each student submitted several articles (totals in the hundreds over the years the class ran) on music or music technology to Wikipedia.  See <a href="http://wayneandwax.blogspot.com/2006/06/electro-class-of-06.html" title="blogspot.com">http://wayneandwax.blogspot.com/2006/06/electro-class-of-06.html</a> [blogspot.com] for more details.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see how this might be interesting in that it 's related to a " writing class " , but it 's an on-line writing class !
It is good to see that they are stressing some of the basics that may be somewhat lacking in some on-line ( esp .
non-journalistic ) writing.We had assignments to write articles for Wikipedia for several years as part of an electronic music class - each student submitted several articles ( totals in the hundreds over the years the class ran ) on music or music technology to Wikipedia .
See http : //wayneandwax.blogspot.com/2006/06/electro-class-of-06.html [ blogspot.com ] for more details .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see how this might be interesting in that it's related to a "writing class", but it's an on-line writing class!
It is good to see that they are stressing some of the basics that may be somewhat lacking in some on-line (esp.
non-journalistic) writing.We had assignments to write articles for Wikipedia for several years as part of an electronic music class - each student submitted several articles (totals in the hundreds over the years the class ran) on music or music technology to Wikipedia.
See http://wayneandwax.blogspot.com/2006/06/electro-class-of-06.html [blogspot.com] for more details.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627426</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>Omniscientist</author>
	<datestamp>1269623040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It is also valuable simply to see where the writers of the articles got their information from,</p></div></blockquote><p>A problem I have been noticing lately is that many of the references in older articles are dead links. I am unsure what the rate of articles with dead references is across Wikipedia as a whole; however, it seems to be quite high across the small subset of articles I have read.</p><p>While this isn't really any concern for references that originate from a printed source, a number of them appear to originate from, and exist solely on, the Internet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is also valuable simply to see where the writers of the articles got their information from,A problem I have been noticing lately is that many of the references in older articles are dead links .
I am unsure what the rate of articles with dead references is across Wikipedia as a whole ; however , it seems to be quite high across the small subset of articles I have read.While this is n't really any concern for references that originate from a printed source , a number of them appear to originate from , and exist solely on , the Internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is also valuable simply to see where the writers of the articles got their information from,A problem I have been noticing lately is that many of the references in older articles are dead links.
I am unsure what the rate of articles with dead references is across Wikipedia as a whole; however, it seems to be quite high across the small subset of articles I have read.While this isn't really any concern for references that originate from a printed source, a number of them appear to originate from, and exist solely on, the Internet.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31629948</id>
	<title>Gold theme?</title>
	<author>Valdrax</author>
	<datestamp>1269631080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did anyone else notice that all three articles (from A to B to C) had to do with gold?  I wonder if that was a defined theme for the class and what other articles got written by the same theme.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did anyone else notice that all three articles ( from A to B to C ) had to do with gold ?
I wonder if that was a defined theme for the class and what other articles got written by the same theme .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did anyone else notice that all three articles (from A to B to C) had to do with gold?
I wonder if that was a defined theme for the class and what other articles got written by the same theme.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31629882</id>
	<title>Ready for journalism</title>
	<author>Valdrax</author>
	<datestamp>1269630840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's very true. In fact, Wikipedia has made it very easy for me simply dismiss only those facts I happen to disagree with. In that regard it's a great tool for anyone who wishes to be out of touch with reality.</p></div><p>And that prepares them perfectly for a career in journalism in this age where people pick their news source based on how well it jives with their political beliefs, never having to read news articles that might challenge them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's very true .
In fact , Wikipedia has made it very easy for me simply dismiss only those facts I happen to disagree with .
In that regard it 's a great tool for anyone who wishes to be out of touch with reality.And that prepares them perfectly for a career in journalism in this age where people pick their news source based on how well it jives with their political beliefs , never having to read news articles that might challenge them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's very true.
In fact, Wikipedia has made it very easy for me simply dismiss only those facts I happen to disagree with.
In that regard it's a great tool for anyone who wishes to be out of touch with reality.And that prepares them perfectly for a career in journalism in this age where people pick their news source based on how well it jives with their political beliefs, never having to read news articles that might challenge them.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627792</id>
	<title>Re:Great, competent contributors</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1269624300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.westword.com/2010-03-25/news/former-boulderite-a-k-barnett-hart-s-senior-thesis-has-become-a-go-to-guide-to-the-financial-crisis/" title="westword.com">You mean like this one?</a> [westword.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean like this one ?
[ westword.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean like this one?
[westword.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31638586</id>
	<title>Wikipedia as Extra Credit</title>
	<author>ArizonaJer</author>
	<datestamp>1269695820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I frequently use Wikipedia article-writing as an extra credit option in college film and TV courses.
<p>
It works well, because students can fill in details on sometimes obscure, but still notable, topics -- e.g., plot summaries of films. Plus, since they're reading original sources for my courses, they can also cite those sources, as Wikipedia policy demands. They submit the URLs of the articles they've modified/created to me and I always check them for accuracy and proper wiki-style.
</p><p>
In addition to increasing Wikipedia's breadth/depth on film/TV topics, it encourages students to get involved in the Wikipedia-editing process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I frequently use Wikipedia article-writing as an extra credit option in college film and TV courses .
It works well , because students can fill in details on sometimes obscure , but still notable , topics -- e.g. , plot summaries of films .
Plus , since they 're reading original sources for my courses , they can also cite those sources , as Wikipedia policy demands .
They submit the URLs of the articles they 've modified/created to me and I always check them for accuracy and proper wiki-style .
In addition to increasing Wikipedia 's breadth/depth on film/TV topics , it encourages students to get involved in the Wikipedia-editing process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I frequently use Wikipedia article-writing as an extra credit option in college film and TV courses.
It works well, because students can fill in details on sometimes obscure, but still notable, topics -- e.g., plot summaries of films.
Plus, since they're reading original sources for my courses, they can also cite those sources, as Wikipedia policy demands.
They submit the URLs of the articles they've modified/created to me and I always check them for accuracy and proper wiki-style.
In addition to increasing Wikipedia's breadth/depth on film/TV topics, it encourages students to get involved in the Wikipedia-editing process.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626718</id>
	<title>Re:Non-Notable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269620040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe they can work with Wikipedia, by asking for a list of article stubs or proposed articles Wiki would like to see researched and written. It could be something that benefits both parties.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they can work with Wikipedia , by asking for a list of article stubs or proposed articles Wiki would like to see researched and written .
It could be something that benefits both parties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they can work with Wikipedia, by asking for a list of article stubs or proposed articles Wiki would like to see researched and written.
It could be something that benefits both parties.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626876</id>
	<title>Re:Non-Notable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269620520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...as opposed to good old fashioned homework assignments turned in on paper.  The professors hang those on the office wall, where they'll stay forever and ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...as opposed to good old fashioned homework assignments turned in on paper .
The professors hang those on the office wall , where they 'll stay forever and ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...as opposed to good old fashioned homework assignments turned in on paper.
The professors hang those on the office wall, where they'll stay forever and ever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626584</id>
	<title>Wikipedia</title>
	<author>pushing-robot</author>
	<datestamp>1269619620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"But I tell them it's an online source of knowledge that just has some information that might be questionable, but that doesn't mean you have to dismiss all of [its content],'"</p><p>That's very true.  In fact, Wikipedia has made it very easy for me simply dismiss only those facts I happen to disagree with.  In that regard it's a great tool for anyone who wishes to be out of touch with reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" But I tell them it 's an online source of knowledge that just has some information that might be questionable , but that does n't mean you have to dismiss all of [ its content ] , ' " That 's very true .
In fact , Wikipedia has made it very easy for me simply dismiss only those facts I happen to disagree with .
In that regard it 's a great tool for anyone who wishes to be out of touch with reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"But I tell them it's an online source of knowledge that just has some information that might be questionable, but that doesn't mean you have to dismiss all of [its content],'"That's very true.
In fact, Wikipedia has made it very easy for me simply dismiss only those facts I happen to disagree with.
In that regard it's a great tool for anyone who wishes to be out of touch with reality.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626662</id>
	<title>Heading it of at the pass</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269619860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure the +5 funny/insightful "But how many will be deleted for lack of notability?" is on its way. As <i>hilarious</i> as such remarks are, I think they misrepresent Wikipedia. I've created many articles over the years. Not one has been deleted. A few of the tragically short ones were merged into a larger article that covered the subject as a whole. You want to know my secret? Citing sources. You know, what Wikipedia policy says to do. And for good reason.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure the + 5 funny/insightful " But how many will be deleted for lack of notability ?
" is on its way .
As hilarious as such remarks are , I think they misrepresent Wikipedia .
I 've created many articles over the years .
Not one has been deleted .
A few of the tragically short ones were merged into a larger article that covered the subject as a whole .
You want to know my secret ?
Citing sources .
You know , what Wikipedia policy says to do .
And for good reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure the +5 funny/insightful "But how many will be deleted for lack of notability?
" is on its way.
As hilarious as such remarks are, I think they misrepresent Wikipedia.
I've created many articles over the years.
Not one has been deleted.
A few of the tragically short ones were merged into a larger article that covered the subject as a whole.
You want to know my secret?
Citing sources.
You know, what Wikipedia policy says to do.
And for good reason.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31628978</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>Locklin</author>
	<datestamp>1269627840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares whether *they* are credible? What matters is if their *sources* are credible -and that is in plain sight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares whether * they * are credible ?
What matters is if their * sources * are credible -and that is in plain sight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares whether *they* are credible?
What matters is if their *sources* are credible -and that is in plain sight.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31628494</id>
	<title>Re:Great, competent contributors</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269626280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's so insightful about this negativism? An article will be written, citing sources and all, that might not have been written at all in the first place. If it's bad, it just might trigger someone more knowledgeable, who otherwise wouldn't have cared enough to write the article in the first place, to correct it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's so insightful about this negativism ?
An article will be written , citing sources and all , that might not have been written at all in the first place .
If it 's bad , it just might trigger someone more knowledgeable , who otherwise would n't have cared enough to write the article in the first place , to correct it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's so insightful about this negativism?
An article will be written, citing sources and all, that might not have been written at all in the first place.
If it's bad, it just might trigger someone more knowledgeable, who otherwise wouldn't have cared enough to write the article in the first place, to correct it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31630044</id>
	<title>Wikipedia ADHD Chain</title>
	<author>aceofspades1217</author>
	<datestamp>1269631440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just clicked on bimetallism and ended up going on a wikipedia Link Click-a-thon for a good 30 minutes and ended up reading about the "Nixon Shock", "Revenue act of 1917", "Treasury Security", and "West Germany".</p><p>Wikipedia just isn't good for people with ADD because you can sit there clicking links all day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just clicked on bimetallism and ended up going on a wikipedia Link Click-a-thon for a good 30 minutes and ended up reading about the " Nixon Shock " , " Revenue act of 1917 " , " Treasury Security " , and " West Germany " .Wikipedia just is n't good for people with ADD because you can sit there clicking links all day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just clicked on bimetallism and ended up going on a wikipedia Link Click-a-thon for a good 30 minutes and ended up reading about the "Nixon Shock", "Revenue act of 1917", "Treasury Security", and "West Germany".Wikipedia just isn't good for people with ADD because you can sit there clicking links all day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626980</id>
	<title>Refreshig</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269620940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How refreshing it is to see someone in academia who truly cares about preparing their students for the real world...</p><p>If more of our teachers and professors actually had real world experience, we might not have a workforce that is falling behind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How refreshing it is to see someone in academia who truly cares about preparing their students for the real world...If more of our teachers and professors actually had real world experience , we might not have a workforce that is falling behind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How refreshing it is to see someone in academia who truly cares about preparing their students for the real world...If more of our teachers and professors actually had real world experience, we might not have a workforce that is falling behind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626548</id>
	<title>Non-Notable</title>
	<author>VGPowerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1269619440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given Wikipedia's propensity to delete articles as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-notable" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">non-notable</a> [wikipedia.org], I consider this a very, <b>very</b> bad idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given Wikipedia 's propensity to delete articles as non-notable [ wikipedia.org ] , I consider this a very , very bad idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given Wikipedia's propensity to delete articles as non-notable [wikipedia.org], I consider this a very, very bad idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627412</id>
	<title>Copyright</title>
	<author>Lemming Mark</author>
	<datestamp>1269622980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like this sort of problem but it does bother me a bit when a teacher can assign his students "Give away your intellectual property" as an exercise.  Writing articles, yes, using Wikipedia yes.  Good skills.  But even if stuff is done for a class (which you're typically paying to attend, directly or indirectly) I don't see why the school should own stuff you produce or be able to determine what you do with it, beyond requiring you to give them reasonable access so they can mark it.  It's a bit different for research students since at least they might be getting some funding / support (although often less than you'd think).</p><p>Ditto where teachers have taken their classes out to do stuff of OpenStreetMap.  I think in both cases it's good experience and it's nice that students are encouraged to do something for The Greater Good but I think it's fairest if there's a line between what you have to do *for your class* and giving access to that information to the wider world.  Seems to me that the academic / learning side does not require Free licensing to be satisfied, so whether to contribute to a public project should be an individual choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like this sort of problem but it does bother me a bit when a teacher can assign his students " Give away your intellectual property " as an exercise .
Writing articles , yes , using Wikipedia yes .
Good skills .
But even if stuff is done for a class ( which you 're typically paying to attend , directly or indirectly ) I do n't see why the school should own stuff you produce or be able to determine what you do with it , beyond requiring you to give them reasonable access so they can mark it .
It 's a bit different for research students since at least they might be getting some funding / support ( although often less than you 'd think ) .Ditto where teachers have taken their classes out to do stuff of OpenStreetMap .
I think in both cases it 's good experience and it 's nice that students are encouraged to do something for The Greater Good but I think it 's fairest if there 's a line between what you have to do * for your class * and giving access to that information to the wider world .
Seems to me that the academic / learning side does not require Free licensing to be satisfied , so whether to contribute to a public project should be an individual choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like this sort of problem but it does bother me a bit when a teacher can assign his students "Give away your intellectual property" as an exercise.
Writing articles, yes, using Wikipedia yes.
Good skills.
But even if stuff is done for a class (which you're typically paying to attend, directly or indirectly) I don't see why the school should own stuff you produce or be able to determine what you do with it, beyond requiring you to give them reasonable access so they can mark it.
It's a bit different for research students since at least they might be getting some funding / support (although often less than you'd think).Ditto where teachers have taken their classes out to do stuff of OpenStreetMap.
I think in both cases it's good experience and it's nice that students are encouraged to do something for The Greater Good but I think it's fairest if there's a line between what you have to do *for your class* and giving access to that information to the wider world.
Seems to me that the academic / learning side does not require Free licensing to be satisfied, so whether to contribute to a public project should be an individual choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31628288</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269625680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, if only there were some means by which their work could be checked and mistakes corrected...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , if only there were some means by which their work could be checked and mistakes corrected.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, if only there were some means by which their work could be checked and mistakes corrected...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627736</id>
	<title>Re:Next in the programme..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269624120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh! Oh! Oh! I know this one.</p><p>Mention Algore or Brocko Bamma in a bad light, and your garma goes from excelent to negitive in one post!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh !
Oh ! Oh !
I know this one.Mention Algore or Brocko Bamma in a bad light , and your garma goes from excelent to negitive in one post !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh!
Oh! Oh!
I know this one.Mention Algore or Brocko Bamma in a bad light, and your garma goes from excelent to negitive in one post!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31630466</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>DavidD\_CA</author>
	<datestamp>1269633060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Citation?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Citation ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Citation?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31630960</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>SeaFox</author>
	<datestamp>1269635160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Granted, some of them will do a great job, but many of them will be lazy, sloppy, and far less credible than the typical Wikipedia authors.</p></div></blockquote><p>The fact they actually have college training in writing articles, and are having to document their sources, actually makes them <b>more</b> credible than the average Wikipedia author.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Granted , some of them will do a great job , but many of them will be lazy , sloppy , and far less credible than the typical Wikipedia authors.The fact they actually have college training in writing articles , and are having to document their sources , actually makes them more credible than the average Wikipedia author .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Granted, some of them will do a great job, but many of them will be lazy, sloppy, and far less credible than the typical Wikipedia authors.The fact they actually have college training in writing articles, and are having to document their sources, actually makes them more credible than the average Wikipedia author.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627250</id>
	<title>Lrn2Palindrome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269622260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Re: your sig, your userid is NOT a palindrome.  It helps if you know what a word means before you use it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Re : your sig , your userid is NOT a palindrome .
It helps if you know what a word means before you use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Re: your sig, your userid is NOT a palindrome.
It helps if you know what a word means before you use it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626750</id>
	<title>Quantum Theory</title>
	<author>cing</author>
	<datestamp>1269620160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>A couple years ago my quantum theory course had 10\% of our grade from "Contributing to Wikipedia's coverage of quantum physics and related math topics." <a href="http://am473.ca/" title="am473.ca" rel="nofollow">http://am473.ca/</a> [am473.ca]</htmltext>
<tokenext>A couple years ago my quantum theory course had 10 \ % of our grade from " Contributing to Wikipedia 's coverage of quantum physics and related math topics .
" http : //am473.ca/ [ am473.ca ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A couple years ago my quantum theory course had 10\% of our grade from "Contributing to Wikipedia's coverage of quantum physics and related math topics.
" http://am473.ca/ [am473.ca]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626518</id>
	<title>Next in the programme..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269619320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A course on manipulating Slashdot?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A course on manipulating Slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A course on manipulating Slashdot?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626772</id>
	<title>Re:Non-Notable</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1269620220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I consider this a very, <b>very</b> bad idea.</p></div><p>Really?  I consider it a very <b>very</b> wonderful idea.  If an article is deleted, big deal.  The student will most likely retain their own copy when they submit it to the professor.  <br> <br>

Let's take my report on Carl Sagan in high school and my lengthy paper on the pros and cons of the EU's end of the year reallocation between countries in my Macroeconomics course.  The former is probably better documented on Wikipedia already but might have served as a decent seed article.  The latter I cannot find anything on and am not even sure if it still goes on.  Regardless, you have no option of reading any form of my two works.  Any information or references I had accumulated are lost to the ages.  Just like if the articles had been deemed non-notable.  <br> <br>

I like the idea of being able to produce something useful out of what seems like an inane exercise and to allow students the pleasure of disseminating knowledge responsibly.  <br> <br>

I maintain it's a great idea with no bad consequences when you compare it to the old way.  The only bad thing would be if you made a very embarrassing error and it was stored in wikipedia's history for eternity.  Oh well, better learn early about the foreverity of the internet.  Just like my Slashdot comments.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I consider this a very , very bad idea.Really ?
I consider it a very very wonderful idea .
If an article is deleted , big deal .
The student will most likely retain their own copy when they submit it to the professor .
Let 's take my report on Carl Sagan in high school and my lengthy paper on the pros and cons of the EU 's end of the year reallocation between countries in my Macroeconomics course .
The former is probably better documented on Wikipedia already but might have served as a decent seed article .
The latter I can not find anything on and am not even sure if it still goes on .
Regardless , you have no option of reading any form of my two works .
Any information or references I had accumulated are lost to the ages .
Just like if the articles had been deemed non-notable .
I like the idea of being able to produce something useful out of what seems like an inane exercise and to allow students the pleasure of disseminating knowledge responsibly .
I maintain it 's a great idea with no bad consequences when you compare it to the old way .
The only bad thing would be if you made a very embarrassing error and it was stored in wikipedia 's history for eternity .
Oh well , better learn early about the foreverity of the internet .
Just like my Slashdot comments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I consider this a very, very bad idea.Really?
I consider it a very very wonderful idea.
If an article is deleted, big deal.
The student will most likely retain their own copy when they submit it to the professor.
Let's take my report on Carl Sagan in high school and my lengthy paper on the pros and cons of the EU's end of the year reallocation between countries in my Macroeconomics course.
The former is probably better documented on Wikipedia already but might have served as a decent seed article.
The latter I cannot find anything on and am not even sure if it still goes on.
Regardless, you have no option of reading any form of my two works.
Any information or references I had accumulated are lost to the ages.
Just like if the articles had been deemed non-notable.
I like the idea of being able to produce something useful out of what seems like an inane exercise and to allow students the pleasure of disseminating knowledge responsibly.
I maintain it's a great idea with no bad consequences when you compare it to the old way.
The only bad thing would be if you made a very embarrassing error and it was stored in wikipedia's history for eternity.
Oh well, better learn early about the foreverity of the internet.
Just like my Slashdot comments.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626804</id>
	<title>Re:Non-Notable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269620280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Assuming they write an article that cites reliable sources, it's incredibly unlikely that will happen. If it's a 20 kilobyte article about a minor video game/manga character, maybe. But if it's a historical or political article that's neutral and well-cited? I'll give you 20:1 odds (and that's only because it's a single case; amortized, I'd be willing to give much longer ones). Of course, if they stray too close to Wikipedia's unofficial official positions on controversial issues, the odds fluctuate a bit, depending on which side they're on. But the truth is always the first casualty of human conflict, and there is no fathomable way Wikipedia could be exempt from that rule.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Assuming they write an article that cites reliable sources , it 's incredibly unlikely that will happen .
If it 's a 20 kilobyte article about a minor video game/manga character , maybe .
But if it 's a historical or political article that 's neutral and well-cited ?
I 'll give you 20 : 1 odds ( and that 's only because it 's a single case ; amortized , I 'd be willing to give much longer ones ) .
Of course , if they stray too close to Wikipedia 's unofficial official positions on controversial issues , the odds fluctuate a bit , depending on which side they 're on .
But the truth is always the first casualty of human conflict , and there is no fathomable way Wikipedia could be exempt from that rule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assuming they write an article that cites reliable sources, it's incredibly unlikely that will happen.
If it's a 20 kilobyte article about a minor video game/manga character, maybe.
But if it's a historical or political article that's neutral and well-cited?
I'll give you 20:1 odds (and that's only because it's a single case; amortized, I'd be willing to give much longer ones).
Of course, if they stray too close to Wikipedia's unofficial official positions on controversial issues, the odds fluctuate a bit, depending on which side they're on.
But the truth is always the first casualty of human conflict, and there is no fathomable way Wikipedia could be exempt from that rule.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627824</id>
	<title>Wikinews?</title>
	<author>Explodicle</author>
	<datestamp>1269624420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wouldn't it make more sense to have journalism majors write for <a href="http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Main\_Page" title="wikinews.org">Wikinews</a> [wikinews.org] instead? They could even <a href="http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Accreditation\_policy" title="wikinews.org">get accredited for press passes</a> [wikinews.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it make more sense to have journalism majors write for Wikinews [ wikinews.org ] instead ?
They could even get accredited for press passes [ wikinews.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it make more sense to have journalism majors write for Wikinews [wikinews.org] instead?
They could even get accredited for press passes [wikinews.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31637230</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1269629460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have found plenty of inaccuracies. The quality of Wikipedia is fine for articles that have lots of contributors, but not all subjects do: look at less well known people, topics that are not popular with Wikipedia contributors etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have found plenty of inaccuracies .
The quality of Wikipedia is fine for articles that have lots of contributors , but not all subjects do : look at less well known people , topics that are not popular with Wikipedia contributors etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have found plenty of inaccuracies.
The quality of Wikipedia is fine for articles that have lots of contributors, but not all subjects do: look at less well known people, topics that are not popular with Wikipedia contributors etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626944</id>
	<title>Banned</title>
	<author>barfy</author>
	<datestamp>1269620820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was writing articles about "Tea-Baggers", and what and why they do the things that I do.  Apparently overuse of the term "fucknards" will get you banned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was writing articles about " Tea-Baggers " , and what and why they do the things that I do .
Apparently overuse of the term " fucknards " will get you banned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was writing articles about "Tea-Baggers", and what and why they do the things that I do.
Apparently overuse of the term "fucknards" will get you banned.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31629404</id>
	<title>The new non-journalism journalists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269629280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, like so many new-school journalists, they look up a topic on the internet and rehash their findings on the internet.</p><p>They rearrange facts, as opposed to classic journalists whose goal was to uncover or discover them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , like so many new-school journalists , they look up a topic on the internet and rehash their findings on the internet.They rearrange facts , as opposed to classic journalists whose goal was to uncover or discover them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, like so many new-school journalists, they look up a topic on the internet and rehash their findings on the internet.They rearrange facts, as opposed to classic journalists whose goal was to uncover or discover them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31645538</id>
	<title>Re:Wikipedia</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269717540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You&rsquo;re not a Wikipedia admin by any chance?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You    re not a Wikipedia admin by any chance ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You’re not a Wikipedia admin by any chance?
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31630618</id>
	<title>Re:Non-Notable</title>
	<author>VGPowerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1269633660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Did you even read the page you linked?</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes, I have.</p><p>Here's the thing: During a deletion debate, trolls^Heditors will come out of the woodwork and claim that one or more of the sources used on the page are themselves not notable and therefore the article doesn't meet notability requirements.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you even read the page you linked ? Yes , I have.Here 's the thing : During a deletion debate , trolls ^ Heditors will come out of the woodwork and claim that one or more of the sources used on the page are themselves not notable and therefore the article does n't meet notability requirements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you even read the page you linked?Yes, I have.Here's the thing: During a deletion debate, trolls^Heditors will come out of the woodwork and claim that one or more of the sources used on the page are themselves not notable and therefore the article doesn't meet notability requirements.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31629048</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>Graff</author>
	<datestamp>1269628080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wikipedia is an exercise in frustration. I made several edits to articles that were similar but missing something from each other. The edits were almost immediately undone, stating that the information was uncited. I then re-made those edits, noting the other Wikipedia article which had all the appropriate references. The edits were again undone, still saying that citation was necessary. I then went over several articles and noted numerous places where it was apparently just fine to cite another Wikipedia article that had valid citations. No dice there either, apparently that's ok if you are one of the favored editors but if you are out of luck if you are a new person trying to help out and maybe get into becoming a regular contributer.</p><p>In the end I threw up my hands and gave up on contributing to Wikipedia. It can continue to spin its web of lies, omissions, and half-truths. Some of the information is correct but a lot of it is slanted and misleading. The problem is that you have very little idea which is which. I mean, a lot of the citations are to web sites that themselves have no validation or citations. I could go out, create a bunch of official-sounding websites, use them to cite some "facts" in Wikipedia, and, if I was subtle enough, probably get away with it.</p><p>At least when you pay for reference material the buck stops somewhere and someone is directly responsible for the information which is presented. In Wikipedia you have to trust the hordes of mostly anonymous people who have their hands on the content. What sort of basis is that for solid information that you can use in a serious manner?</p><p>I'm not convinced that Wikipedia is anything but a pop reference guide in its current form. Either it needs to have a serious team of dedicated researchers validating articles or it needs to stick to its founding principles and be more open so at least you get in there and correct bad information. We have the worst of both worlds in Wikipedia's current state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wikipedia is an exercise in frustration .
I made several edits to articles that were similar but missing something from each other .
The edits were almost immediately undone , stating that the information was uncited .
I then re-made those edits , noting the other Wikipedia article which had all the appropriate references .
The edits were again undone , still saying that citation was necessary .
I then went over several articles and noted numerous places where it was apparently just fine to cite another Wikipedia article that had valid citations .
No dice there either , apparently that 's ok if you are one of the favored editors but if you are out of luck if you are a new person trying to help out and maybe get into becoming a regular contributer.In the end I threw up my hands and gave up on contributing to Wikipedia .
It can continue to spin its web of lies , omissions , and half-truths .
Some of the information is correct but a lot of it is slanted and misleading .
The problem is that you have very little idea which is which .
I mean , a lot of the citations are to web sites that themselves have no validation or citations .
I could go out , create a bunch of official-sounding websites , use them to cite some " facts " in Wikipedia , and , if I was subtle enough , probably get away with it.At least when you pay for reference material the buck stops somewhere and someone is directly responsible for the information which is presented .
In Wikipedia you have to trust the hordes of mostly anonymous people who have their hands on the content .
What sort of basis is that for solid information that you can use in a serious manner ? I 'm not convinced that Wikipedia is anything but a pop reference guide in its current form .
Either it needs to have a serious team of dedicated researchers validating articles or it needs to stick to its founding principles and be more open so at least you get in there and correct bad information .
We have the worst of both worlds in Wikipedia 's current state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wikipedia is an exercise in frustration.
I made several edits to articles that were similar but missing something from each other.
The edits were almost immediately undone, stating that the information was uncited.
I then re-made those edits, noting the other Wikipedia article which had all the appropriate references.
The edits were again undone, still saying that citation was necessary.
I then went over several articles and noted numerous places where it was apparently just fine to cite another Wikipedia article that had valid citations.
No dice there either, apparently that's ok if you are one of the favored editors but if you are out of luck if you are a new person trying to help out and maybe get into becoming a regular contributer.In the end I threw up my hands and gave up on contributing to Wikipedia.
It can continue to spin its web of lies, omissions, and half-truths.
Some of the information is correct but a lot of it is slanted and misleading.
The problem is that you have very little idea which is which.
I mean, a lot of the citations are to web sites that themselves have no validation or citations.
I could go out, create a bunch of official-sounding websites, use them to cite some "facts" in Wikipedia, and, if I was subtle enough, probably get away with it.At least when you pay for reference material the buck stops somewhere and someone is directly responsible for the information which is presented.
In Wikipedia you have to trust the hordes of mostly anonymous people who have their hands on the content.
What sort of basis is that for solid information that you can use in a serious manner?I'm not convinced that Wikipedia is anything but a pop reference guide in its current form.
Either it needs to have a serious team of dedicated researchers validating articles or it needs to stick to its founding principles and be more open so at least you get in there and correct bad information.
We have the worst of both worlds in Wikipedia's current state.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626794</id>
	<title>Journalists? That'll end well</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1269620280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nobody writes neutral, well-referenced articles like journalists! And they're great at engaging viewpoints that undermine their article's thesis!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody writes neutral , well-referenced articles like journalists !
And they 're great at engaging viewpoints that undermine their article 's thesis !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody writes neutral, well-referenced articles like journalists!
And they're great at engaging viewpoints that undermine their article's thesis!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626966</id>
	<title>Re:Wikipedia</title>
	<author>Chrisq</author>
	<datestamp>1269620880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's very true.  In fact, Wikipedia has made it very easy for me simply dismiss only those facts I happen to disagree with.  In that regard it's a great tool for anyone who wishes to be out of touch with reality.</p></div><p>Pha amateur. To be really out of touch with reality you should know with absolute certainty and express with fiery conviction that <i>nothing</i> you disagree with is a <b>fact</b>. Conversely  everything you express is absolutely and unquestionably true. You might even have a book that says that what you say is true. Of course the book also says that it is itself true, so what more proof could anyone need?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's very true .
In fact , Wikipedia has made it very easy for me simply dismiss only those facts I happen to disagree with .
In that regard it 's a great tool for anyone who wishes to be out of touch with reality.Pha amateur .
To be really out of touch with reality you should know with absolute certainty and express with fiery conviction that nothing you disagree with is a fact .
Conversely everything you express is absolutely and unquestionably true .
You might even have a book that says that what you say is true .
Of course the book also says that it is itself true , so what more proof could anyone need ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's very true.
In fact, Wikipedia has made it very easy for me simply dismiss only those facts I happen to disagree with.
In that regard it's a great tool for anyone who wishes to be out of touch with reality.Pha amateur.
To be really out of touch with reality you should know with absolute certainty and express with fiery conviction that nothing you disagree with is a fact.
Conversely  everything you express is absolutely and unquestionably true.
You might even have a book that says that what you say is true.
Of course the book also says that it is itself true, so what more proof could anyone need?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626568</id>
	<title>It must be disappointing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269619560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When they find their hard work replaced the next day by a 12 year old who just made something up and posted it so his buddies would laugh it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When they find their hard work replaced the next day by a 12 year old who just made something up and posted it so his buddies would laugh it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When they find their hard work replaced the next day by a 12 year old who just made something up and posted it so his buddies would laugh it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31639330</id>
	<title>Not news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269703980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's nothing new.<br>In my campus (I'm studying computer engineerging at spain, UdG university) we did the same thing. In fact, it has been done for many years now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's nothing new.In my campus ( I 'm studying computer engineerging at spain , UdG university ) we did the same thing .
In fact , it has been done for many years now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's nothing new.In my campus (I'm studying computer engineerging at spain, UdG university) we did the same thing.
In fact, it has been done for many years now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627268</id>
	<title>Re:Post a Comment</title>
	<author>Dr. Evil</author>
	<datestamp>1269622320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a stupid idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a stupid idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a stupid idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626722</id>
	<title>It's a great idea</title>
	<author>dejanc</author>
	<datestamp>1269620040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Both news writing and Wikipedia (encyclopedia) writing requires one to be impartial, to establish notability of the subject and to be precise.

The best part about it is that those students will quickly learn in the wiki process that their writing can be much improved and that there is more aspects to their subject then they thought.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Both news writing and Wikipedia ( encyclopedia ) writing requires one to be impartial , to establish notability of the subject and to be precise .
The best part about it is that those students will quickly learn in the wiki process that their writing can be much improved and that there is more aspects to their subject then they thought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both news writing and Wikipedia (encyclopedia) writing requires one to be impartial, to establish notability of the subject and to be precise.
The best part about it is that those students will quickly learn in the wiki process that their writing can be much improved and that there is more aspects to their subject then they thought.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626558</id>
	<title>I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269619500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>People are very negative about wikipedia, but generally it is accurate. It is also valuable simply to see where the writers of the articles got their information from, so it's a good starting point for researching a topic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>People are very negative about wikipedia , but generally it is accurate .
It is also valuable simply to see where the writers of the articles got their information from , so it 's a good starting point for researching a topic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are very negative about wikipedia, but generally it is accurate.
It is also valuable simply to see where the writers of the articles got their information from, so it's a good starting point for researching a topic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626918</id>
	<title>Re:Non-Notable</title>
	<author>Warlord88</author>
	<datestamp>1269620700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my opinion, if the paper does not conform to the Wikipedia guidelines for notability, it is not worth writing it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my opinion , if the paper does not conform to the Wikipedia guidelines for notability , it is not worth writing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my opinion, if the paper does not conform to the Wikipedia guidelines for notability, it is not worth writing it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627334</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1269622620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but generally it is accurat</p></div><p>For non-controversial subjects.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but generally it is accuratFor non-controversial subjects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but generally it is accuratFor non-controversial subjects.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31645526</id>
	<title>Re:EXCELLENT idea - student hours are not wasted</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269717360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and someone like me will come along and <strong>delete</strong> them years later. <em>(Not notable, No credible sources, and doesn&rsquo;t fit your views.)</em></p> </div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and someone like me will come along and delete them years later .
( Not notable , No credible sources , and doesn    t fit your views .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and someone like me will come along and delete them years later.
(Not notable, No credible sources, and doesn’t fit your views.
) 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31645794</id>
	<title>Re:Great, competent contributors</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269808500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Still better than the unemployed basement dweller of an admin, who has the time to delete stuff he doesn&rsquo;t like on Wikipedia, while in his underwear, all day long.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Still better than the unemployed basement dweller of an admin , who has the time to delete stuff he doesn    t like on Wikipedia , while in his underwear , all day long .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still better than the unemployed basement dweller of an admin, who has the time to delete stuff he doesn’t like on Wikipedia, while in his underwear, all day long.
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626522</id>
	<title>buahahhah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269619320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FIRST. WIKIPEDIA THAT!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FIRST .
WIKIPEDIA THAT !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FIRST.
WIKIPEDIA THAT!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31645550</id>
	<title>Re:Kudos to Clark and Demont-Heinrich</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269717900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the "neutral point of view."</p></div><p>GODDAMMIT! There is no such thing!!<br>Neutrality is a physical impossibility for a human-like life-form! Our minds process and twist hearsay from other minds all day long. By definition, every single of those things has a &ldquo;bias&rdquo;.</p><p>What is &ldquo;neutral&rdquo; anyway? Neurology will tell you that something completely neutral is something that the mind has no reaction or processing whatsoever to.<br>What we really mean is &ldquo;fits my world view, or that of my community&rdquo;. So we should say that!<br>It&rsquo;s much better, if you can extract useful information from any source, by first applying a correction filter. A filter that you can only tune, by knowing the bias of the sources very well. Something that assuming something in &ldquo;neutral&rdquo; prohibits.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the " neutral point of view. " GODDAMMIT !
There is no such thing !
! Neutrality is a physical impossibility for a human-like life-form !
Our minds process and twist hearsay from other minds all day long .
By definition , every single of those things has a    bias    .What is    neutral    anyway ?
Neurology will tell you that something completely neutral is something that the mind has no reaction or processing whatsoever to.What we really mean is    fits my world view , or that of my community    .
So we should say that ! It    s much better , if you can extract useful information from any source , by first applying a correction filter .
A filter that you can only tune , by knowing the bias of the sources very well .
Something that assuming something in    neutral    prohibits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the "neutral point of view."GODDAMMIT!
There is no such thing!
!Neutrality is a physical impossibility for a human-like life-form!
Our minds process and twist hearsay from other minds all day long.
By definition, every single of those things has a “bias”.What is “neutral” anyway?
Neurology will tell you that something completely neutral is something that the mind has no reaction or processing whatsoever to.What we really mean is “fits my world view, or that of my community”.
So we should say that!It’s much better, if you can extract useful information from any source, by first applying a correction filter.
A filter that you can only tune, by knowing the bias of the sources very well.
Something that assuming something in “neutral” prohibits.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31638482</id>
	<title>Re:Quantum Theory</title>
	<author>Phroon</author>
	<datestamp>1269694140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So that's why all the quantum physics articles are written from the perspective of a senior/grad student in quantum theory.  The articles all seem to jump over the introductory level and right into the higher math.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So that 's why all the quantum physics articles are written from the perspective of a senior/grad student in quantum theory .
The articles all seem to jump over the introductory level and right into the higher math .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So that's why all the quantum physics articles are written from the perspective of a senior/grad student in quantum theory.
The articles all seem to jump over the introductory level and right into the higher math.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627844</id>
	<title>Re:Lrn2Palindrome</title>
	<author>Loether</author>
	<datestamp>1269624480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gomer79's userid is "43434".  Usually I wouldn't cite wiki or feed AC trolls, but it seems apt here....  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palindrome" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palindrome</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>BTW It helps if you know what "userid" means before you use it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gomer79 's userid is " 43434 " .
Usually I would n't cite wiki or feed AC trolls , but it seems apt here.... http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palindrome [ wikipedia.org ] BTW It helps if you know what " userid " means before you use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gomer79's userid is "43434".
Usually I wouldn't cite wiki or feed AC trolls, but it seems apt here....  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palindrome [wikipedia.org]BTW It helps if you know what "userid" means before you use it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626964</id>
	<title>Re:Non-Notable</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1269620880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not as bad as you might think. It also means that people have to pick a subject THAT MATTERS, so you can't just pick a paper about nothing. And your creative writing skills mean you make it interesting for the editors. But thats just for whole new articles. The idea of Wikipedia for school projects isn't new.</p><p>My girlfriend does Ancient Medieval History and Archaeology at the University of Calgary. One of her assignments last semester was either a large paper (which she chose) or you could edit an existing Wikipedia Article that was innaccurate and needed an update. Specifically, my Girlfriend could edit this:<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_Ancient\_Rome" title="wikipedia.org">Women in ancient Rome</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>But she chose not too. Not as Web Savvy as others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not as bad as you might think .
It also means that people have to pick a subject THAT MATTERS , so you ca n't just pick a paper about nothing .
And your creative writing skills mean you make it interesting for the editors .
But thats just for whole new articles .
The idea of Wikipedia for school projects is n't new.My girlfriend does Ancient Medieval History and Archaeology at the University of Calgary .
One of her assignments last semester was either a large paper ( which she chose ) or you could edit an existing Wikipedia Article that was innaccurate and needed an update .
Specifically , my Girlfriend could edit this : Women in ancient Rome [ wikipedia.org ] But she chose not too .
Not as Web Savvy as others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not as bad as you might think.
It also means that people have to pick a subject THAT MATTERS, so you can't just pick a paper about nothing.
And your creative writing skills mean you make it interesting for the editors.
But thats just for whole new articles.
The idea of Wikipedia for school projects isn't new.My girlfriend does Ancient Medieval History and Archaeology at the University of Calgary.
One of her assignments last semester was either a large paper (which she chose) or you could edit an existing Wikipedia Article that was innaccurate and needed an update.
Specifically, my Girlfriend could edit this:Women in ancient Rome [wikipedia.org]But she chose not too.
Not as Web Savvy as others.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627858</id>
	<title>Why not assign students to edit and clean up pages</title>
	<author>areusche</author>
	<datestamp>1269624480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember seeing this user that hangs around on the "Articles for Deletion" page who helps fix articles. He goes around and finds trouble articles with various problems (grammar, citations, etc) and cleans them up to save them from deletion. Granted, the professor is trying something unique and I applaud him for doing that, however he should teach the students how to properly use Wikipedia. Teach the students how to follow the citations and to understand how to spot abuse. Take a look in the "Talk" pages and see where other users are spotting problems. From there teach the students the inner workings of how the entire system works, from creation, to editing, to deletion, whatever.</p><p> That journalism professor is onto something here. Wikipedia is here to stay and it is a great resource for getting information that is, relatively speaking, accurate. More people should know how Wikipedia's system works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember seeing this user that hangs around on the " Articles for Deletion " page who helps fix articles .
He goes around and finds trouble articles with various problems ( grammar , citations , etc ) and cleans them up to save them from deletion .
Granted , the professor is trying something unique and I applaud him for doing that , however he should teach the students how to properly use Wikipedia .
Teach the students how to follow the citations and to understand how to spot abuse .
Take a look in the " Talk " pages and see where other users are spotting problems .
From there teach the students the inner workings of how the entire system works , from creation , to editing , to deletion , whatever .
That journalism professor is onto something here .
Wikipedia is here to stay and it is a great resource for getting information that is , relatively speaking , accurate .
More people should know how Wikipedia 's system works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember seeing this user that hangs around on the "Articles for Deletion" page who helps fix articles.
He goes around and finds trouble articles with various problems (grammar, citations, etc) and cleans them up to save them from deletion.
Granted, the professor is trying something unique and I applaud him for doing that, however he should teach the students how to properly use Wikipedia.
Teach the students how to follow the citations and to understand how to spot abuse.
Take a look in the "Talk" pages and see where other users are spotting problems.
From there teach the students the inner workings of how the entire system works, from creation, to editing, to deletion, whatever.
That journalism professor is onto something here.
Wikipedia is here to stay and it is a great resource for getting information that is, relatively speaking, accurate.
More people should know how Wikipedia's system works.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627070</id>
	<title>Re:Wikipedia</title>
	<author>Absolut187</author>
	<datestamp>1269621420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>it's a great tool for anyone who wishes to be out of touch with reality.</p></div></blockquote><p>This is true of any source of information.</p><p>Journalists (and students of all disciplines) should be taught to consider the source of any information critically, no matter how well-documented, no matter how well-respected the journal, no matter how thoroughly peer-reviewed.</p><p>A quick Google search will reveal a plethora of:<br>Manipulated scientific studies<br>Faked peer review articles in respected journals<br>History text books that are written with a ridiculous level of bias</p><p>Pick up a copy of an Encyclopedia or History book from the 1960s.<br>It is laughable.</p><p>Every source of information is vulnerable to abuse and bias.<br>The difference with Wikipedia is that the debates are conducted out in the open.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's a great tool for anyone who wishes to be out of touch with reality.This is true of any source of information.Journalists ( and students of all disciplines ) should be taught to consider the source of any information critically , no matter how well-documented , no matter how well-respected the journal , no matter how thoroughly peer-reviewed.A quick Google search will reveal a plethora of : Manipulated scientific studiesFaked peer review articles in respected journalsHistory text books that are written with a ridiculous level of biasPick up a copy of an Encyclopedia or History book from the 1960s.It is laughable.Every source of information is vulnerable to abuse and bias.The difference with Wikipedia is that the debates are conducted out in the open .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's a great tool for anyone who wishes to be out of touch with reality.This is true of any source of information.Journalists (and students of all disciplines) should be taught to consider the source of any information critically, no matter how well-documented, no matter how well-respected the journal, no matter how thoroughly peer-reviewed.A quick Google search will reveal a plethora of:Manipulated scientific studiesFaked peer review articles in respected journalsHistory text books that are written with a ridiculous level of biasPick up a copy of an Encyclopedia or History book from the 1960s.It is laughable.Every source of information is vulnerable to abuse and bias.The difference with Wikipedia is that the debates are conducted out in the open.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627430</id>
	<title>Re:Non-Notable</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1269623040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That might discourage journalists from taking up the profession altogether, especially considering the amount of non-notable tech journalism on the internet these days. And - horror of horrors - might subject them to actual quality standards. I recently emailed a journalist about the low quality of <a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/news/tablet-islate-ipad-netbook-notebook,9929.html" title="tomshardware.com">their article</a> [tomshardware.com] and learned that major <i>tech blogs don't actually have an editorial staff</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That might discourage journalists from taking up the profession altogether , especially considering the amount of non-notable tech journalism on the internet these days .
And - horror of horrors - might subject them to actual quality standards .
I recently emailed a journalist about the low quality of their article [ tomshardware.com ] and learned that major tech blogs do n't actually have an editorial staff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That might discourage journalists from taking up the profession altogether, especially considering the amount of non-notable tech journalism on the internet these days.
And - horror of horrors - might subject them to actual quality standards.
I recently emailed a journalist about the low quality of their article [tomshardware.com] and learned that major tech blogs don't actually have an editorial staff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31630638</id>
	<title>Same assignment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269633780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had to do the same thing, only for the 'local' version of Wikipedia. I actually did some research that expanded the article beyond what is in the 'original' (I mention that because most of my esteemed colleagues simply c/p and translated...poorly).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had to do the same thing , only for the 'local ' version of Wikipedia .
I actually did some research that expanded the article beyond what is in the 'original ' ( I mention that because most of my esteemed colleagues simply c/p and translated...poorly ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had to do the same thing, only for the 'local' version of Wikipedia.
I actually did some research that expanded the article beyond what is in the 'original' (I mention that because most of my esteemed colleagues simply c/p and translated...poorly).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627294</id>
	<title>There have been several of these projects</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269622440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen quite a few of these projects- ongoing ones are listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School\_and\_university\_projects, while past ones are at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School\_and\_university\_projects. They seem to cover a lot of different areas- technical, cultural, historical, whatever. Those lists don't seem to include the high school projects; I've seen a few biology classes with projects to write articles about animals and such.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen quite a few of these projects- ongoing ones are listed at http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia : School \ _and \ _university \ _projects , while past ones are at http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia : School \ _and \ _university \ _projects .
They seem to cover a lot of different areas- technical , cultural , historical , whatever .
Those lists do n't seem to include the high school projects ; I 've seen a few biology classes with projects to write articles about animals and such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen quite a few of these projects- ongoing ones are listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School\_and\_university\_projects, while past ones are at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School\_and\_university\_projects.
They seem to cover a lot of different areas- technical, cultural, historical, whatever.
Those lists don't seem to include the high school projects; I've seen a few biology classes with projects to write articles about animals and such.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31628706</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1269627060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, what do you want, a conclusive, objective ruling on whether George Bush was a good president?  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George\_W.\_Bush" title="wikipedia.org">look at his article</a> [wikipedia.org], there is an <i>incredible</i> amount of factual information and citations there, with plenty of ammo for making either case.  Now that is a good information source.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , what do you want , a conclusive , objective ruling on whether George Bush was a good president ?
look at his article [ wikipedia.org ] , there is an incredible amount of factual information and citations there , with plenty of ammo for making either case .
Now that is a good information source .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, what do you want, a conclusive, objective ruling on whether George Bush was a good president?
look at his article [wikipedia.org], there is an incredible amount of factual information and citations there, with plenty of ammo for making either case.
Now that is a good information source.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31629918</id>
	<title>Re:Non-Notable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269630960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not have journalism students maintain a blog?  Isn't that more in line with their future profession?</p><p>The benefits to Wikipedia is that writers who are passionate and have a specialized skill in a particular post this knowledge online to share with the Internet community.  If you have a bunch of journalism students arbitrarily picking topics they know absolutely about and then writing a bunch of non-notable articles,  It wastes the time of more legitimate volunteers who now have to sift through items written, just to make a grade.</p><p>Sorry, but leave Wikipedia articles to those that actually know something about the subject.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not have journalism students maintain a blog ?
Is n't that more in line with their future profession ? The benefits to Wikipedia is that writers who are passionate and have a specialized skill in a particular post this knowledge online to share with the Internet community .
If you have a bunch of journalism students arbitrarily picking topics they know absolutely about and then writing a bunch of non-notable articles , It wastes the time of more legitimate volunteers who now have to sift through items written , just to make a grade.Sorry , but leave Wikipedia articles to those that actually know something about the subject .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not have journalism students maintain a blog?
Isn't that more in line with their future profession?The benefits to Wikipedia is that writers who are passionate and have a specialized skill in a particular post this knowledge online to share with the Internet community.
If you have a bunch of journalism students arbitrarily picking topics they know absolutely about and then writing a bunch of non-notable articles,  It wastes the time of more legitimate volunteers who now have to sift through items written, just to make a grade.Sorry, but leave Wikipedia articles to those that actually know something about the subject.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31637906</id>
	<title>MOD PARENT DOWN!</title>
	<author>Hartree</author>
	<datestamp>1269685440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stupid git.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stupid git .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stupid git.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627378</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269622860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It seems scary to me that a bunch of know-nothing journalism undergrads (or undergrads of any sort, frankly) would be forced to write on a website used for informational purposes. Granted, some of them will do a great job, but many of them will be lazy, sloppy, and far less credible than the typical Wikipedia authors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems scary to me that a bunch of know-nothing journalism undergrads ( or undergrads of any sort , frankly ) would be forced to write on a website used for informational purposes .
Granted , some of them will do a great job , but many of them will be lazy , sloppy , and far less credible than the typical Wikipedia authors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems scary to me that a bunch of know-nothing journalism undergrads (or undergrads of any sort, frankly) would be forced to write on a website used for informational purposes.
Granted, some of them will do a great job, but many of them will be lazy, sloppy, and far less credible than the typical Wikipedia authors.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627022</id>
	<title>EXCELLENT idea - student hours are not wasted</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269621240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rather than have students waste time producing busywork that the professor will Trashfile at the end of the year, they are contributing their efforts toward society.  These Wiki articles will be picked-up by other editors and added to with new information, and someone like me will come along and read them years later.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rather than have students waste time producing busywork that the professor will Trashfile at the end of the year , they are contributing their efforts toward society .
These Wiki articles will be picked-up by other editors and added to with new information , and someone like me will come along and read them years later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rather than have students waste time producing busywork that the professor will Trashfile at the end of the year, they are contributing their efforts toward society.
These Wiki articles will be picked-up by other editors and added to with new information, and someone like me will come along and read them years later.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31630666</id>
	<title>Journallists</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1269633900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>students have so far composed 24 Wikipedia articles this year, covering topics from the gold standard to the San Juan Mountains to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimetallism" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">bimettalism</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div> </blockquote><p>Did they teach these future *cough* <i>journallists</i> how to copy and paste, thus avoiding the embarrassing mistake of spelling a word wrong that's not only in the article they're linking to, but part of the UR<i>F</i>L?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>students have so far composed 24 Wikipedia articles this year , covering topics from the gold standard to the San Juan Mountains to bimettalism [ wikipedia.org ] Did they teach these future * cough * journallists how to copy and paste , thus avoiding the embarrassing mistake of spelling a word wrong that 's not only in the article they 're linking to , but part of the URFL ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>students have so far composed 24 Wikipedia articles this year, covering topics from the gold standard to the San Juan Mountains to bimettalism [wikipedia.org] Did they teach these future *cough* journallists how to copy and paste, thus avoiding the embarrassing mistake of spelling a word wrong that's not only in the article they're linking to, but part of the URFL?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31626846</id>
	<title>Re:It must be disappointing</title>
	<author>bunratty</author>
	<datestamp>1269620460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone can just hit Undo, and the work is back within seconds. What's to be disappointed about?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone can just hit Undo , and the work is back within seconds .
What 's to be disappointed about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone can just hit Undo, and the work is back within seconds.
What's to be disappointed about?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31628332</id>
	<title>Re:Non-Notable</title>
	<author>Otto</author>
	<datestamp>1269625800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps you should try creating something notable. I've created dozens of articles on Wikipedia. None of them has been deleted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps you should try creating something notable .
I 've created dozens of articles on Wikipedia .
None of them has been deleted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps you should try creating something notable.
I've created dozens of articles on Wikipedia.
None of them has been deleted.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31629510</id>
	<title>Interesting but nothing new</title>
	<author>halcyon1234</author>
	<datestamp>1269629640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's interesting, but nothing new. For the Design Patters course of my CS degree, I expanded the Wikipedia article for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design\_Patterns" title="wikipedia.org">Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software</a> [wikipedia.org] book.  That was back in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Design\_Patterns&amp;oldid=122687206" title="wikipedia.org">July 2007</a> [wikipedia.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's interesting , but nothing new .
For the Design Patters course of my CS degree , I expanded the Wikipedia article for Design Patterns : Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software [ wikipedia.org ] book .
That was back in July 2007 [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's interesting, but nothing new.
For the Design Patters course of my CS degree, I expanded the Wikipedia article for Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software [wikipedia.org] book.
That was back in July 2007 [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627096</id>
	<title>Great, competent contributors</title>
	<author>mi</author>
	<datestamp>1269621600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just what I wanted. An undergraduate student writing an <em>Encyclopedia article</em> on monetary standards...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just what I wanted .
An undergraduate student writing an Encyclopedia article on monetary standards.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just what I wanted.
An undergraduate student writing an Encyclopedia article on monetary standards...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627292</id>
	<title>wikipedia is stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269622440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I always deface wikis and put false info into them just to show people how stupid this fad is. Through wikipedia we end up with 20 year old college children trying to challenge researched data in encyclopedias. Ludicrous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always deface wikis and put false info into them just to show people how stupid this fad is .
Through wikipedia we end up with 20 year old college children trying to challenge researched data in encyclopedias .
Ludicrous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always deface wikis and put false info into them just to show people how stupid this fad is.
Through wikipedia we end up with 20 year old college children trying to challenge researched data in encyclopedias.
Ludicrous.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_140247.31627722</id>
	<title>Re:I don't see the problem</title>
	<author>AkaXakA</author>
	<datestamp>1269624120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adding well researched articles to Wikipedia makes it <i>more</i> accurate on the whole; that's a good thing!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adding well researched articles to Wikipedia makes it more accurate on the whole ; that 's a good thing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adding well researched articles to Wikipedia makes it more accurate on the whole; that's a good thing!</sentencetext>
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