<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_26_063240</id>
	<title>Perks &amp; Paintball For Employees At Cybercrime, Inc.</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269605220000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Barence writes <i>"Innovative Marketing Ukraine was in the business of churning out some of the world's most pernicious, and profitable, computer viruses. As the company grew, it added a human resources department, hired an internal IT staff and built a call center to dissuade its victims from seeking credit card refunds. Employees were treated to catered holiday parties and picnics with paintball competitions. Top performers got bonuses as young workers turned a blind eye to the harm the software was doing. 'When you are just 20, you don't think a lot about ethics,' said one former Innovative Marketing programmer. 'I had a good salary and I know that most employees also had pretty good salaries.' The firm has been closed down after the US Federal Trade Commission filed a lawsuit seeking its disbandment in the federal court. But <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/356737/perks-and-paintball-life-inside-a-global-cybercrime-ring">an examination of the FTC's complaint and documents from a legal dispute</a> among Innovative executives offers a rare glimpse into a dark, expanding &mdash; and highly profitable &mdash; corner of the internet."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Barence writes " Innovative Marketing Ukraine was in the business of churning out some of the world 's most pernicious , and profitable , computer viruses .
As the company grew , it added a human resources department , hired an internal IT staff and built a call center to dissuade its victims from seeking credit card refunds .
Employees were treated to catered holiday parties and picnics with paintball competitions .
Top performers got bonuses as young workers turned a blind eye to the harm the software was doing .
'When you are just 20 , you do n't think a lot about ethics, ' said one former Innovative Marketing programmer .
'I had a good salary and I know that most employees also had pretty good salaries .
' The firm has been closed down after the US Federal Trade Commission filed a lawsuit seeking its disbandment in the federal court .
But an examination of the FTC 's complaint and documents from a legal dispute among Innovative executives offers a rare glimpse into a dark , expanding    and highly profitable    corner of the internet .
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<sentencetext>Barence writes "Innovative Marketing Ukraine was in the business of churning out some of the world's most pernicious, and profitable, computer viruses.
As the company grew, it added a human resources department, hired an internal IT staff and built a call center to dissuade its victims from seeking credit card refunds.
Employees were treated to catered holiday parties and picnics with paintball competitions.
Top performers got bonuses as young workers turned a blind eye to the harm the software was doing.
'When you are just 20, you don't think a lot about ethics,' said one former Innovative Marketing programmer.
'I had a good salary and I know that most employees also had pretty good salaries.
' The firm has been closed down after the US Federal Trade Commission filed a lawsuit seeking its disbandment in the federal court.
But an examination of the FTC's complaint and documents from a legal dispute among Innovative executives offers a rare glimpse into a dark, expanding — and highly profitable — corner of the internet.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31625902</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1269617160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What special sauce exists to allow you to make a generalization like "American sensibilities" while simultaneously preventing you from making a generalization like "Human sensibilities"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What special sauce exists to allow you to make a generalization like " American sensibilities " while simultaneously preventing you from making a generalization like " Human sensibilities " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What special sauce exists to allow you to make a generalization like "American sensibilities" while simultaneously preventing you from making a generalization like "Human sensibilities"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31625322</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1269614760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Funny, I did think about ethics when I was 20.</p></div><p>Yeah...  Seems to me that the late teens/early 20's are when most people get all activist and start trying to save the world.</p><p>I remember when I was just finishing up highschool and heading into college...  Was fairly active in politics and various student organizations.  Showed up to rallies, donated time and money, volunteered...</p><p>My son is going through that same stage right now.  He's obsessed with politics and he's decided he wants to become a journalist.</p><p>Maybe that's not as typical as I think it is...  But it seems to me that many (most?) people are thinking about ethics to some degree when they're 20.</p><p>Hell, for a lot of folks I think that's about the time they start thinking about ethics seriously for the first time.  That's about the time you're looking at your first "real" job...  Developing some "real" relationships...  Out on your own and having to make ends meet...  Seems to me that a lot of folks are off on their own for the first time around age 20, and having to make a lot of those tough decisions for themselves for the first time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , I did think about ethics when I was 20.Yeah... Seems to me that the late teens/early 20 's are when most people get all activist and start trying to save the world.I remember when I was just finishing up highschool and heading into college... Was fairly active in politics and various student organizations .
Showed up to rallies , donated time and money , volunteered...My son is going through that same stage right now .
He 's obsessed with politics and he 's decided he wants to become a journalist.Maybe that 's not as typical as I think it is... But it seems to me that many ( most ?
) people are thinking about ethics to some degree when they 're 20.Hell , for a lot of folks I think that 's about the time they start thinking about ethics seriously for the first time .
That 's about the time you 're looking at your first " real " job... Developing some " real " relationships... Out on your own and having to make ends meet... Seems to me that a lot of folks are off on their own for the first time around age 20 , and having to make a lot of those tough decisions for themselves for the first time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, I did think about ethics when I was 20.Yeah...  Seems to me that the late teens/early 20's are when most people get all activist and start trying to save the world.I remember when I was just finishing up highschool and heading into college...  Was fairly active in politics and various student organizations.
Showed up to rallies, donated time and money, volunteered...My son is going through that same stage right now.
He's obsessed with politics and he's decided he wants to become a journalist.Maybe that's not as typical as I think it is...  But it seems to me that many (most?
) people are thinking about ethics to some degree when they're 20.Hell, for a lot of folks I think that's about the time they start thinking about ethics seriously for the first time.
That's about the time you're looking at your first "real" job...  Developing some "real" relationships...  Out on your own and having to make ends meet...  Seems to me that a lot of folks are off on their own for the first time around age 20, and having to make a lot of those tough decisions for themselves for the first time.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624972</id>
	<title>?Ethics?</title>
	<author>minstrelmike</author>
	<datestamp>1269612960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The difference in ethics by working at some big company paying you to sell over-priced home loans that eventually collapse the global economy is what?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The difference in ethics by working at some big company paying you to sell over-priced home loans that eventually collapse the global economy is what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The difference in ethics by working at some big company paying you to sell over-priced home loans that eventually collapse the global economy is what?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31629226</id>
	<title>Money Talks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269628680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who had acquaintances in this "company" I should say that they were completely aware of the consequences of their actions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who had acquaintances in this " company " I should say that they were completely aware of the consequences of their actions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who had acquaintances in this "company" I should say that they were completely aware of the consequences of their actions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31629834</id>
	<title>Lets be fair...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269630660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...he's not the only one that doesnt think about ethics much. To quote from a well known speech:</p><p>"The, uh, ethics of, uh, business....can be summarised in... Yeah, um... See... Ethics are, uh... You know, the... the thing about ethics...<br>Aagh!<br>That question was not fair!<br>That was not in the reading."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...he 's not the only one that doesnt think about ethics much .
To quote from a well known speech : " The , uh , ethics of , uh , business....can be summarised in... Yeah , um... See... Ethics are , uh... You know , the... the thing about ethics...Aagh ! That question was not fair ! That was not in the reading .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...he's not the only one that doesnt think about ethics much.
To quote from a well known speech:"The, uh, ethics of, uh, business....can be summarised in... Yeah, um... See... Ethics are, uh... You know, the... the thing about ethics...Aagh!That question was not fair!That was not in the reading.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624644</id>
	<title>Ethics</title>
	<author>Andy Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1269611040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"<i>When you are just 20, you don't think a lot about ethics</i>"</p><p>Really? I did.</p><p>What I suspect this person really means is: He was fully aware that what he was doing was unethical, but he liked the money. Saying that that he "didn't think" about the ethics is an attempt to excuse his behaviour.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" When you are just 20 , you do n't think a lot about ethics " Really ?
I did.What I suspect this person really means is : He was fully aware that what he was doing was unethical , but he liked the money .
Saying that that he " did n't think " about the ethics is an attempt to excuse his behaviour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"When you are just 20, you don't think a lot about ethics"Really?
I did.What I suspect this person really means is: He was fully aware that what he was doing was unethical, but he liked the money.
Saying that that he "didn't think" about the ethics is an attempt to excuse his behaviour.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31629002</id>
	<title>This smacks of hypocrisy</title>
	<author>pandrijeczko</author>
	<datestamp>1269627900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not defending what this Ukrainian company did by any means - but it strikes me as somewhat hypocritical that this company gets shut down yet billionaire Russians can happily buy English football clubs, send their kids to the best private schools in the UK and snap up second homes in Turkey and other parts of Europe.</p><p>Are you *REALLY* trying to tell me that after years of Communist rule and oppression, the money suddenly being wielded by all these "nouveau riche" Russians *ISN'T* dirty money?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not defending what this Ukrainian company did by any means - but it strikes me as somewhat hypocritical that this company gets shut down yet billionaire Russians can happily buy English football clubs , send their kids to the best private schools in the UK and snap up second homes in Turkey and other parts of Europe.Are you * REALLY * trying to tell me that after years of Communist rule and oppression , the money suddenly being wielded by all these " nouveau riche " Russians * IS N'T * dirty money ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not defending what this Ukrainian company did by any means - but it strikes me as somewhat hypocritical that this company gets shut down yet billionaire Russians can happily buy English football clubs, send their kids to the best private schools in the UK and snap up second homes in Turkey and other parts of Europe.Are you *REALLY* trying to tell me that after years of Communist rule and oppression, the money suddenly being wielded by all these "nouveau riche" Russians *ISN'T* dirty money?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31630796</id>
	<title>Re:good quote</title>
	<author>LanMan04</author>
	<datestamp>1269634380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>people are ethical or they are not. age has nothing to do with it.</p></div><p>Tell that to your average 4 year old.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>people are ethical or they are not .
age has nothing to do with it.Tell that to your average 4 year old .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>people are ethical or they are not.
age has nothing to do with it.Tell that to your average 4 year old.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31628438</id>
	<title>Super villians, or mafioso?</title>
	<author>kheldan</author>
	<datestamp>1269626160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Was their "corporate headquarters" located beneath the crater of an extinct volcano, or did they have their board of directors meetings in Italian restaurants?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Was their " corporate headquarters " located beneath the crater of an extinct volcano , or did they have their board of directors meetings in Italian restaurants ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was their "corporate headquarters" located beneath the crater of an extinct volcano, or did they have their board of directors meetings in Italian restaurants?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31625568</id>
	<title>I hope they learn a valuable lesson</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1269615900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Next time, don't waste your money on perks.  Buy a Senator instead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Next time , do n't waste your money on perks .
Buy a Senator instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next time, don't waste your money on perks.
Buy a Senator instead.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31626240</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>Skater</author>
	<datestamp>1269618300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a statistician, and as an undergrad I went to a smaller school that only had one or two stats professors, so I got to take about 7 classes with one professor... fortunately, he was a VERY good one.  He would spend a class period each semester talking about ethics in statistics.  Certain companies may pay you a lot of money, and he acknowledged that's hard to resist coming out of college, but what you may be doing there just isn't morally right.  It was a lecture that really made you think.  Even though I was never offered one of those jobs, the ethics of what I'm doing each day does cross my mind - am I doing what's best for the results we're trying to produce?  Is this the most statistically sound approach I can take?  Am I violating a basic assumption of this statistic?  And so on.  I'm sure a lot of his students just blew off that lecture (it wasn't on the test), and I'm sure he knew that, but I'm glad he gave it anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a statistician , and as an undergrad I went to a smaller school that only had one or two stats professors , so I got to take about 7 classes with one professor... fortunately , he was a VERY good one .
He would spend a class period each semester talking about ethics in statistics .
Certain companies may pay you a lot of money , and he acknowledged that 's hard to resist coming out of college , but what you may be doing there just is n't morally right .
It was a lecture that really made you think .
Even though I was never offered one of those jobs , the ethics of what I 'm doing each day does cross my mind - am I doing what 's best for the results we 're trying to produce ?
Is this the most statistically sound approach I can take ?
Am I violating a basic assumption of this statistic ?
And so on .
I 'm sure a lot of his students just blew off that lecture ( it was n't on the test ) , and I 'm sure he knew that , but I 'm glad he gave it anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a statistician, and as an undergrad I went to a smaller school that only had one or two stats professors, so I got to take about 7 classes with one professor... fortunately, he was a VERY good one.
He would spend a class period each semester talking about ethics in statistics.
Certain companies may pay you a lot of money, and he acknowledged that's hard to resist coming out of college, but what you may be doing there just isn't morally right.
It was a lecture that really made you think.
Even though I was never offered one of those jobs, the ethics of what I'm doing each day does cross my mind - am I doing what's best for the results we're trying to produce?
Is this the most statistically sound approach I can take?
Am I violating a basic assumption of this statistic?
And so on.
I'm sure a lot of his students just blew off that lecture (it wasn't on the test), and I'm sure he knew that, but I'm glad he gave it anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624492</id>
	<title>Every corporation is *Crime, Inc.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269610140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those guys were just more transparent about their activities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those guys were just more transparent about their activities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those guys were just more transparent about their activities.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31627910</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1269624600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In fairness, in your late teens and twenties you are genetically programmed to act tribally, to join a group and be an integral part of it, come what may.  If you end up in a group that has great fun writing hacking software, and getting up to high jinks at the weekend, it's a very difficult situation to dispute with.  There's a reason that soldiers are recruited at this age.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In fairness , in your late teens and twenties you are genetically programmed to act tribally , to join a group and be an integral part of it , come what may .
If you end up in a group that has great fun writing hacking software , and getting up to high jinks at the weekend , it 's a very difficult situation to dispute with .
There 's a reason that soldiers are recruited at this age .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In fairness, in your late teens and twenties you are genetically programmed to act tribally, to join a group and be an integral part of it, come what may.
If you end up in a group that has great fun writing hacking software, and getting up to high jinks at the weekend, it's a very difficult situation to dispute with.
There's a reason that soldiers are recruited at this age.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31626290</id>
	<title>Hmmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269618480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Capitalism much?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Capitalism much ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Capitalism much?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624508</id>
	<title>The Corporation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269610140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course the real irony here is that in a software development group that was very successful doing work that was not only legal, but benefited the public, we were treated like shit, and these guys were treated great.</p><p>Something managemant should think about, but never will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course the real irony here is that in a software development group that was very successful doing work that was not only legal , but benefited the public , we were treated like shit , and these guys were treated great.Something managemant should think about , but never will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course the real irony here is that in a software development group that was very successful doing work that was not only legal, but benefited the public, we were treated like shit, and these guys were treated great.Something managemant should think about, but never will.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31626022</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269617580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How would you compare these "scum" to the people who write the software that runs on guided bombs?  At least the software written by the folks in TFA didn't result in death.  <br> <br>

I'm not claiming that weapon makers are less ethical than these folks.  I'm just claiming that ethics is complicated.  I believe that all people are equally ethical, they just have different priorities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How would you compare these " scum " to the people who write the software that runs on guided bombs ?
At least the software written by the folks in TFA did n't result in death .
I 'm not claiming that weapon makers are less ethical than these folks .
I 'm just claiming that ethics is complicated .
I believe that all people are equally ethical , they just have different priorities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How would you compare these "scum" to the people who write the software that runs on guided bombs?
At least the software written by the folks in TFA didn't result in death.
I'm not claiming that weapon makers are less ethical than these folks.
I'm just claiming that ethics is complicated.
I believe that all people are equally ethical, they just have different priorities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31625990</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1269617520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Funny, I did think about ethics when I was 20.</p><p>Then again, I wasn't a piece of scum.</p></div><p>This is exactly what I thought.   You should have a sense of moral code and ethics by puberty.  If you don't have ethics at 20, you probably won't have ethics at 30, 40, or 50, or until you've somehow been influenced or compelled to change.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , I did think about ethics when I was 20.Then again , I was n't a piece of scum.This is exactly what I thought .
You should have a sense of moral code and ethics by puberty .
If you do n't have ethics at 20 , you probably wo n't have ethics at 30 , 40 , or 50 , or until you 've somehow been influenced or compelled to change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, I did think about ethics when I was 20.Then again, I wasn't a piece of scum.This is exactly what I thought.
You should have a sense of moral code and ethics by puberty.
If you don't have ethics at 20, you probably won't have ethics at 30, 40, or 50, or until you've somehow been influenced or compelled to change.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624412</id>
	<title>Assholes having fun</title>
	<author>Voulnet</author>
	<datestamp>1269609480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>LOL, sounds like fun. They're still assholes, though.

Too bad really hardworking ethical employees get shafted world-wide.

And... really, did they do more harm than some of the world-widely known software companies in the world?</htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL , sounds like fun .
They 're still assholes , though .
Too bad really hardworking ethical employees get shafted world-wide .
And... really , did they do more harm than some of the world-widely known software companies in the world ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL, sounds like fun.
They're still assholes, though.
Too bad really hardworking ethical employees get shafted world-wide.
And... really, did they do more harm than some of the world-widely known software companies in the world?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624932</id>
	<title>Downside of narrowing "digital divide"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269612660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Poverty and hard living in places like the Ukraine and Nigeria doesn't tend to encourage much empathy among scammers and phishers. People (like the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One\_Laptop\_per\_Child" title="wikipedia.org">OLPC</a> [wikipedia.org] guys) always talk about how bringing the internet to the third world is going to make lives better and all that. But they ignore the fact that a lot of those poor people are going to <a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune\_archive/2006/05/29/8378124/" title="cnn.com">use this new-found freedom</a> [cnn.com] to scam those in the developed world, people who have a lot more resources than they do. Over time, this kind of activity can become normalized, enjoying quasi-legal and moral sanction (as was the case here).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Poverty and hard living in places like the Ukraine and Nigeria does n't tend to encourage much empathy among scammers and phishers .
People ( like the OLPC [ wikipedia.org ] guys ) always talk about how bringing the internet to the third world is going to make lives better and all that .
But they ignore the fact that a lot of those poor people are going to use this new-found freedom [ cnn.com ] to scam those in the developed world , people who have a lot more resources than they do .
Over time , this kind of activity can become normalized , enjoying quasi-legal and moral sanction ( as was the case here ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Poverty and hard living in places like the Ukraine and Nigeria doesn't tend to encourage much empathy among scammers and phishers.
People (like the OLPC [wikipedia.org] guys) always talk about how bringing the internet to the third world is going to make lives better and all that.
But they ignore the fact that a lot of those poor people are going to use this new-found freedom [cnn.com] to scam those in the developed world, people who have a lot more resources than they do.
Over time, this kind of activity can become normalized, enjoying quasi-legal and moral sanction (as was the case here).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624566</id>
	<title>Corporations are neither evil or good</title>
	<author>ACK!!</author>
	<datestamp>1269610560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are amoral which is somewhat essential to the core goal of providing profit for the shareholders.

This company is just an extreme example of this.

I actually find the more interesting parts of the article are those that focus on the methods and such like this quote:

""You can install it by any means, except spam," says one affiliate recruiting site, earning4u.com, which pays $6 to $180 for every 1,000 PCs infected with its software. PCs in the US earn a higher rate than ones in Asia."

The methods more than the perks are what to me makes the article interesting.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are amoral which is somewhat essential to the core goal of providing profit for the shareholders .
This company is just an extreme example of this .
I actually find the more interesting parts of the article are those that focus on the methods and such like this quote : " " You can install it by any means , except spam , " says one affiliate recruiting site , earning4u.com , which pays $ 6 to $ 180 for every 1,000 PCs infected with its software .
PCs in the US earn a higher rate than ones in Asia .
" The methods more than the perks are what to me makes the article interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are amoral which is somewhat essential to the core goal of providing profit for the shareholders.
This company is just an extreme example of this.
I actually find the more interesting parts of the article are those that focus on the methods and such like this quote:

""You can install it by any means, except spam," says one affiliate recruiting site, earning4u.com, which pays $6 to $180 for every 1,000 PCs infected with its software.
PCs in the US earn a higher rate than ones in Asia.
"

The methods more than the perks are what to me makes the article interesting.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31713864</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1270325820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I&rsquo;m sorry, but mass behavior proves that 99.999\% of the population have never ever developed their own ethics or sense of reality.<br>They simply imitate that of others (&ldquo;leaders&ldquo;), parroting it in a giant brainless &ldquo;monkey see, monkey do&rdquo;, but still think it&rsquo;s their own.<br>Only a tiny subset has ever pondered the core question themselves and built their own feeling for right and wrong.</p><p>Hell, one single word would prove that pretty much all people&rsquo;s ethics have nothing to do with reality: NIPPLEGATE!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I    m sorry , but mass behavior proves that 99.999 \ % of the population have never ever developed their own ethics or sense of reality.They simply imitate that of others (    leaders    ) , parroting it in a giant brainless    monkey see , monkey do    , but still think it    s their own.Only a tiny subset has ever pondered the core question themselves and built their own feeling for right and wrong.Hell , one single word would prove that pretty much all people    s ethics have nothing to do with reality : NIPPLEGATE !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I’m sorry, but mass behavior proves that 99.999\% of the population have never ever developed their own ethics or sense of reality.They simply imitate that of others (“leaders“), parroting it in a giant brainless “monkey see, monkey do”, but still think it’s their own.Only a tiny subset has ever pondered the core question themselves and built their own feeling for right and wrong.Hell, one single word would prove that pretty much all people’s ethics have nothing to do with reality: NIPPLEGATE!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31627998</id>
	<title>Interesting reference to data loss</title>
	<author>JustNilt</author>
	<datestamp>1269624840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This may be a bit nit-picky but this bit in the article rubs me the wrong way:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"It's sort of a plague," said Kent Woerner, a network administrator for a public school district in Beloit, Kansas, some 5,500 miles away from Innovative Marketing's offices in Kiev. He ran into one of its products, Advanced Cleaner, when a teacher called to report that pornographic photos were popping up on a student's screen. A message falsely claimed the images were stored on the school's computer.</p><p>"When I have a sixth-grader seeing that kind of garbage, that's offensive," said Woerner. He fixed the machine by deleting all data from the hard drive and installing a fresh copy of Windows. All stored data was lost.</p><p>Stephen Layton, who knows his way around technology, ended up junking his PC, losing a week's worth of data that he had yet to back up from his hard drive, after an attack from an Innovative Marketing program dubbed Windows XP Antivirus. The president of a home-based software company in Stevensville, Maryland, Layton says he is unsure how he contracted the malware.</p><p>But he was certain of its deleterious effect. "I work eight-to-12 hours a day," he said. "You lose a week of that and you're ready to jump off the roof."</p></div><p>Here we have 2 supposedly technically proficient individuals who apparently had no clue how to recover data from the hard drives of computers before reinstalling the OS.  Hell, even if you don't have a second computer on which to mount the infected drive in order to simply copy the data (absurd for a school admin, let alone a software developer) you could do a parallel install onto the same drive.</p><p>Let's get this right, folks:  recovering the data should be paramount in most cases.  There is no excuse for simply deleting data because you're too lazy a tech to back it up first.  It simply is not that difficult.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This may be a bit nit-picky but this bit in the article rubs me the wrong way : " It 's sort of a plague , " said Kent Woerner , a network administrator for a public school district in Beloit , Kansas , some 5,500 miles away from Innovative Marketing 's offices in Kiev .
He ran into one of its products , Advanced Cleaner , when a teacher called to report that pornographic photos were popping up on a student 's screen .
A message falsely claimed the images were stored on the school 's computer .
" When I have a sixth-grader seeing that kind of garbage , that 's offensive , " said Woerner .
He fixed the machine by deleting all data from the hard drive and installing a fresh copy of Windows .
All stored data was lost.Stephen Layton , who knows his way around technology , ended up junking his PC , losing a week 's worth of data that he had yet to back up from his hard drive , after an attack from an Innovative Marketing program dubbed Windows XP Antivirus .
The president of a home-based software company in Stevensville , Maryland , Layton says he is unsure how he contracted the malware.But he was certain of its deleterious effect .
" I work eight-to-12 hours a day , " he said .
" You lose a week of that and you 're ready to jump off the roof .
" Here we have 2 supposedly technically proficient individuals who apparently had no clue how to recover data from the hard drives of computers before reinstalling the OS .
Hell , even if you do n't have a second computer on which to mount the infected drive in order to simply copy the data ( absurd for a school admin , let alone a software developer ) you could do a parallel install onto the same drive.Let 's get this right , folks : recovering the data should be paramount in most cases .
There is no excuse for simply deleting data because you 're too lazy a tech to back it up first .
It simply is not that difficult .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may be a bit nit-picky but this bit in the article rubs me the wrong way:"It's sort of a plague," said Kent Woerner, a network administrator for a public school district in Beloit, Kansas, some 5,500 miles away from Innovative Marketing's offices in Kiev.
He ran into one of its products, Advanced Cleaner, when a teacher called to report that pornographic photos were popping up on a student's screen.
A message falsely claimed the images were stored on the school's computer.
"When I have a sixth-grader seeing that kind of garbage, that's offensive," said Woerner.
He fixed the machine by deleting all data from the hard drive and installing a fresh copy of Windows.
All stored data was lost.Stephen Layton, who knows his way around technology, ended up junking his PC, losing a week's worth of data that he had yet to back up from his hard drive, after an attack from an Innovative Marketing program dubbed Windows XP Antivirus.
The president of a home-based software company in Stevensville, Maryland, Layton says he is unsure how he contracted the malware.But he was certain of its deleterious effect.
"I work eight-to-12 hours a day," he said.
"You lose a week of that and you're ready to jump off the roof.
"Here we have 2 supposedly technically proficient individuals who apparently had no clue how to recover data from the hard drives of computers before reinstalling the OS.
Hell, even if you don't have a second computer on which to mount the infected drive in order to simply copy the data (absurd for a school admin, let alone a software developer) you could do a parallel install onto the same drive.Let's get this right, folks:  recovering the data should be paramount in most cases.
There is no excuse for simply deleting data because you're too lazy a tech to back it up first.
It simply is not that difficult.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624506</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269610140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Funny, I did think about ethics when I was 20.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes, but did you paintball and have a good wage?</p><p>When I explained my consultancy work to a girl, she replied "so you're a whore basically?" - "yes, well, an intellectual whore, I get rented out for my knowledge and work." "A whore is easier to remember, I know that concept."</p><p>It's what alot of software devs do; I don't care about the software I'm writing and it wont profit myself directly. My clients have the businessmodel, they dream up their profits and what their software will generate. I'm just hired to do the work and I make sure my work is done well so I'm well worthy of my price-tag.</p><p>Other then that, I don't care and noone I ever worked with did. fe, right across me (right now working for a bank) is a guy programming saving-plan calculations. Before, he used to program callcenters and find creative ways to help his contractor to reach more people (like automated redailing, calllists and redirects to callagents when there's a pickup) having DDOS-ed telephone switches making entire blocks fall out during times managers got a bit too enthousiastic with the system. He doesn't care, he equally hates call-agents.</p><p>Soft devs are whores. Sometimes as cheap as a paintballgame to make us think "oh well, at least I'm having fun and I get my monthly cheque."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , I did think about ethics when I was 20.Yes , but did you paintball and have a good wage ? When I explained my consultancy work to a girl , she replied " so you 're a whore basically ?
" - " yes , well , an intellectual whore , I get rented out for my knowledge and work .
" " A whore is easier to remember , I know that concept .
" It 's what alot of software devs do ; I do n't care about the software I 'm writing and it wont profit myself directly .
My clients have the businessmodel , they dream up their profits and what their software will generate .
I 'm just hired to do the work and I make sure my work is done well so I 'm well worthy of my price-tag.Other then that , I do n't care and noone I ever worked with did .
fe , right across me ( right now working for a bank ) is a guy programming saving-plan calculations .
Before , he used to program callcenters and find creative ways to help his contractor to reach more people ( like automated redailing , calllists and redirects to callagents when there 's a pickup ) having DDOS-ed telephone switches making entire blocks fall out during times managers got a bit too enthousiastic with the system .
He does n't care , he equally hates call-agents.Soft devs are whores .
Sometimes as cheap as a paintballgame to make us think " oh well , at least I 'm having fun and I get my monthly cheque .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, I did think about ethics when I was 20.Yes, but did you paintball and have a good wage?When I explained my consultancy work to a girl, she replied "so you're a whore basically?
" - "yes, well, an intellectual whore, I get rented out for my knowledge and work.
" "A whore is easier to remember, I know that concept.
"It's what alot of software devs do; I don't care about the software I'm writing and it wont profit myself directly.
My clients have the businessmodel, they dream up their profits and what their software will generate.
I'm just hired to do the work and I make sure my work is done well so I'm well worthy of my price-tag.Other then that, I don't care and noone I ever worked with did.
fe, right across me (right now working for a bank) is a guy programming saving-plan calculations.
Before, he used to program callcenters and find creative ways to help his contractor to reach more people (like automated redailing, calllists and redirects to callagents when there's a pickup) having DDOS-ed telephone switches making entire blocks fall out during times managers got a bit too enthousiastic with the system.
He doesn't care, he equally hates call-agents.Soft devs are whores.
Sometimes as cheap as a paintballgame to make us think "oh well, at least I'm having fun and I get my monthly cheque.
"
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31626066</id>
	<title>Re:Meta comment on the comments</title>
	<author>NeoSkandranon</author>
	<datestamp>1269617700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>No that's totally different because<br>\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/<br>(--[<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.]-[<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/<br>(\_\_\_\_\_\_\_o\_\_) </tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>No that 's totally different because \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ / ( -- [ .
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<sentencetext>No that's totally different because\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ /(--[ .
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624726</id>
	<title>Call Center</title>
	<author>Bananatree3</author>
	<datestamp>1269611580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"Thank you for your patience! We at Innovative Marketing take our work <b>very</b> seriously.  We have operators standing by to blackmail you into submission! Please be patient and wait for the next representative, or we will hunt you down and steal your first born son! You <b>wouldn't want that</b>, would you?"</i>
<br>
[operator, <i>thick east European accent] Good morning! This is Vladamir from Innovative Marketing. We know who you are, we have stolen your identity. We trust you will do the right thing, and not report us. <i>We know where grandma lives</i>, and you wouldn't want grandma hurt, would you? <i>heheheh</i></i></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Thank you for your patience !
We at Innovative Marketing take our work very seriously .
We have operators standing by to blackmail you into submission !
Please be patient and wait for the next representative , or we will hunt you down and steal your first born son !
You would n't want that , would you ?
" [ operator , thick east European accent ] Good morning !
This is Vladamir from Innovative Marketing .
We know who you are , we have stolen your identity .
We trust you will do the right thing , and not report us .
We know where grandma lives , and you would n't want grandma hurt , would you ?
heheheh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Thank you for your patience!
We at Innovative Marketing take our work very seriously.
We have operators standing by to blackmail you into submission!
Please be patient and wait for the next representative, or we will hunt you down and steal your first born son!
You wouldn't want that, would you?
"

[operator, thick east European accent] Good morning!
This is Vladamir from Innovative Marketing.
We know who you are, we have stolen your identity.
We trust you will do the right thing, and not report us.
We know where grandma lives, and you wouldn't want grandma hurt, would you?
heheheh</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624408</id>
	<title>Ethics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269609420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny, I did think about ethics when I was 20.</p><p>Then again, I wasn't a piece of scum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , I did think about ethics when I was 20.Then again , I was n't a piece of scum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, I did think about ethics when I was 20.Then again, I wasn't a piece of scum.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624770</id>
	<title>good quote</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1269611820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"When you are just 20, you don't think a lot about ethics"</p><p>of equal validity:</p><p>"When you are just 30, you don't think a lot about ethics"<br>"When you are just 40, you don't think a lot about ethics"<br>"When you are just 50, you don't think a lot about ethics"<br>etc...</p><p>people are ethical or they are not. age has nothing to do with it. but its a nice rationalization on his part. people usually blame the evil media, the evil liberals, the evil conservatives, their evil parents, etc.: age old tired variations on the theme "the devil made me do it"</p><p>everyone has rationalizations for why their own poor personal choices are actually not their fault. which is of course pure unadulterated bullshit: if you did, it's your fault. end of fucking story. as soon as you break that thought, the whole idea of personal responsibility and morality is nullified</p><p>so this guy is saying is just a phase he'll outgrow, no big deal. nice one, asshole</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" When you are just 20 , you do n't think a lot about ethics " of equal validity : " When you are just 30 , you do n't think a lot about ethics " " When you are just 40 , you do n't think a lot about ethics " " When you are just 50 , you do n't think a lot about ethics " etc...people are ethical or they are not .
age has nothing to do with it .
but its a nice rationalization on his part .
people usually blame the evil media , the evil liberals , the evil conservatives , their evil parents , etc .
: age old tired variations on the theme " the devil made me do it " everyone has rationalizations for why their own poor personal choices are actually not their fault .
which is of course pure unadulterated bullshit : if you did , it 's your fault .
end of fucking story .
as soon as you break that thought , the whole idea of personal responsibility and morality is nullifiedso this guy is saying is just a phase he 'll outgrow , no big deal .
nice one , asshole</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"When you are just 20, you don't think a lot about ethics"of equal validity:"When you are just 30, you don't think a lot about ethics""When you are just 40, you don't think a lot about ethics""When you are just 50, you don't think a lot about ethics"etc...people are ethical or they are not.
age has nothing to do with it.
but its a nice rationalization on his part.
people usually blame the evil media, the evil liberals, the evil conservatives, their evil parents, etc.
: age old tired variations on the theme "the devil made me do it"everyone has rationalizations for why their own poor personal choices are actually not their fault.
which is of course pure unadulterated bullshit: if you did, it's your fault.
end of fucking story.
as soon as you break that thought, the whole idea of personal responsibility and morality is nullifiedso this guy is saying is just a phase he'll outgrow, no big deal.
nice one, asshole</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624860</id>
	<title>Hear is a new game for them Don't drop the soap!</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1269612360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hear is a new game for them Don't drop the soap!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hear is a new game for them Do n't drop the soap !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hear is a new game for them Don't drop the soap!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31626670</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>CraftyJack</author>
	<datestamp>1269619860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Let's have a little charity for someone who hasn't grown up as extravagantly privileged as us.</p></div><p>Ethics and morality are not luxury items.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's have a little charity for someone who has n't grown up as extravagantly privileged as us.Ethics and morality are not luxury items .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's have a little charity for someone who hasn't grown up as extravagantly privileged as us.Ethics and morality are not luxury items.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31630148</id>
	<title>Re:Meta comment on the comments</title>
	<author>Securityemo</author>
	<datestamp>1269631860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's probably a gut reaction to the article/summary being written with a humorous slant. As for \_my\_ ethics, well... <br> These guys made money by assisting what is effectively digital pickpocketing. Myself, I consider ignoring copyright for personal use about as unethical as throwing a candy wrapper on the street. A million people ignoring copyright for personal use may make certain parts of the arts unviable as career choices, globally, but you cannot place that burden on any one of the infringers. These people basically made magical gloves for lifting cash out of people's pockets, and then sold them to criminals with no other motive than an effective upfront share of the loot. They are directly complicit in theft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's probably a gut reaction to the article/summary being written with a humorous slant .
As for \ _my \ _ ethics , well... These guys made money by assisting what is effectively digital pickpocketing .
Myself , I consider ignoring copyright for personal use about as unethical as throwing a candy wrapper on the street .
A million people ignoring copyright for personal use may make certain parts of the arts unviable as career choices , globally , but you can not place that burden on any one of the infringers .
These people basically made magical gloves for lifting cash out of people 's pockets , and then sold them to criminals with no other motive than an effective upfront share of the loot .
They are directly complicit in theft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's probably a gut reaction to the article/summary being written with a humorous slant.
As for \_my\_ ethics, well...  These guys made money by assisting what is effectively digital pickpocketing.
Myself, I consider ignoring copyright for personal use about as unethical as throwing a candy wrapper on the street.
A million people ignoring copyright for personal use may make certain parts of the arts unviable as career choices, globally, but you cannot place that burden on any one of the infringers.
These people basically made magical gloves for lifting cash out of people's pockets, and then sold them to criminals with no other motive than an effective upfront share of the loot.
They are directly complicit in theft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31625244</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269614340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are talking the Ukraine here. Let's not automatically superimpose American sensibilities on someone that comes from a drastically different culture and lifestyle.</p><p>Let's have a little charity for someone who hasn't grown up as extravagantly privileged as us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are talking the Ukraine here .
Let 's not automatically superimpose American sensibilities on someone that comes from a drastically different culture and lifestyle.Let 's have a little charity for someone who has n't grown up as extravagantly privileged as us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are talking the Ukraine here.
Let's not automatically superimpose American sensibilities on someone that comes from a drastically different culture and lifestyle.Let's have a little charity for someone who hasn't grown up as extravagantly privileged as us.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624594</id>
	<title>sounds like a good job</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269610800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd totally work there</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd totally work there</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd totally work there</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31625596</id>
	<title>Meta comment on the comments</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1269616020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's fascinating how many people have latched onto the ethics issue...  It would be interesting to see how many of them have nothing but fully paid for or legally free software and music on their computers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's fascinating how many people have latched onto the ethics issue... It would be interesting to see how many of them have nothing but fully paid for or legally free software and music on their computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's fascinating how many people have latched onto the ethics issue...  It would be interesting to see how many of them have nothing but fully paid for or legally free software and music on their computers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31631420</id>
	<title>I misread the last sentence as</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269636960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a rare glimpse into a dark, expanding &mdash; and highly profitable &mdash; pwner of the internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a rare glimpse into a dark , expanding    and highly profitable    pwner of the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a rare glimpse into a dark, expanding — and highly profitable — pwner of the internet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31627364</id>
	<title>Where's the RICO prosecution?</title>
	<author>swb</author>
	<datestamp>1269622800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm so sick of these slaps on the hand.</p><p>A few high profile individuals get long jail sentences, but larger organizations don't get prosecuted well if at all.  In many cases its a fine that is largely built into their cost structure or executive compensation packages.</p><p>We need these organizations prosecuted under RICO laws, treating them as what they are:  organized crime.   Not only will this result in severe punishment, we can drag into the prosecution these otherwise "legal" entities supplying services and operational credibility to an organized crime entity.</p><p>Once these entities have a few executives doing a minimum Federal 20 and their organizations' names dragged through the mud, the rest of them will think twice about getting involved with the dark side.  It's a lot harder to run an online scam entity when you are forced to only accept cash payments and have a hard time buying decent hosting services.</p><p>It's almost like FBI/DOJ doesn't see this as a crime or are so ignorant that they don't bother.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm so sick of these slaps on the hand.A few high profile individuals get long jail sentences , but larger organizations do n't get prosecuted well if at all .
In many cases its a fine that is largely built into their cost structure or executive compensation packages.We need these organizations prosecuted under RICO laws , treating them as what they are : organized crime .
Not only will this result in severe punishment , we can drag into the prosecution these otherwise " legal " entities supplying services and operational credibility to an organized crime entity.Once these entities have a few executives doing a minimum Federal 20 and their organizations ' names dragged through the mud , the rest of them will think twice about getting involved with the dark side .
It 's a lot harder to run an online scam entity when you are forced to only accept cash payments and have a hard time buying decent hosting services.It 's almost like FBI/DOJ does n't see this as a crime or are so ignorant that they do n't bother .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm so sick of these slaps on the hand.A few high profile individuals get long jail sentences, but larger organizations don't get prosecuted well if at all.
In many cases its a fine that is largely built into their cost structure or executive compensation packages.We need these organizations prosecuted under RICO laws, treating them as what they are:  organized crime.
Not only will this result in severe punishment, we can drag into the prosecution these otherwise "legal" entities supplying services and operational credibility to an organized crime entity.Once these entities have a few executives doing a minimum Federal 20 and their organizations' names dragged through the mud, the rest of them will think twice about getting involved with the dark side.
It's a lot harder to run an online scam entity when you are forced to only accept cash payments and have a hard time buying decent hosting services.It's almost like FBI/DOJ doesn't see this as a crime or are so ignorant that they don't bother.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31625390</id>
	<title>Re:Well that's a bit odd, I think.</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1269614940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Most people in the malware authoring business probably at least understand the consequences of what they do, even if they don't care.</p></div><p>This I can understand.</p><p>You need the money to pay the bills...  You don't know and never see the people affected...  "<i>It's their own fault...  Shouldn't have run that executable...  Should be running better antivirus...  Stupid users...</i>"</p><p>I can see folks either not caring or simply rationalizing it away...  People do that for various things on a daily basis...</p><p>But not thinking about your actions at all?  I can't understand being that oblivious to what I was doing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people in the malware authoring business probably at least understand the consequences of what they do , even if they do n't care.This I can understand.You need the money to pay the bills... You do n't know and never see the people affected... " It 's their own fault... Should n't have run that executable... Should be running better antivirus... Stupid users... " I can see folks either not caring or simply rationalizing it away... People do that for various things on a daily basis...But not thinking about your actions at all ?
I ca n't understand being that oblivious to what I was doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people in the malware authoring business probably at least understand the consequences of what they do, even if they don't care.This I can understand.You need the money to pay the bills...  You don't know and never see the people affected...  "It's their own fault...  Shouldn't have run that executable...  Should be running better antivirus...  Stupid users..."I can see folks either not caring or simply rationalizing it away...  People do that for various things on a daily basis...But not thinking about your actions at all?
I can't understand being that oblivious to what I was doing.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31625978</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>turbotroll</author>
	<datestamp>1269617460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We are talking the Ukraine here. Let's not automatically superimpose American sensibilities on someone that comes from a drastically different culture and lifestyle.</p></div><p>I do not superimpose American sensibilities.  I am not even American, to begin with.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Let's have a little charity for someone who hasn't grown up as extravagantly privileged as us.</p></div><p>Crime is much more often caused by laziness and stupidity than poverty.</p><p>Notice, in this particualr case, that one of the sacks of shit said that he didn't "think a lot about ethics".  He never said about living in poverty, feeding his siblings or whatever.  Sorry, I have absolutely no sympathy for him.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We are talking the Ukraine here .
Let 's not automatically superimpose American sensibilities on someone that comes from a drastically different culture and lifestyle.I do not superimpose American sensibilities .
I am not even American , to begin with.Let 's have a little charity for someone who has n't grown up as extravagantly privileged as us.Crime is much more often caused by laziness and stupidity than poverty.Notice , in this particualr case , that one of the sacks of shit said that he did n't " think a lot about ethics " .
He never said about living in poverty , feeding his siblings or whatever .
Sorry , I have absolutely no sympathy for him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are talking the Ukraine here.
Let's not automatically superimpose American sensibilities on someone that comes from a drastically different culture and lifestyle.I do not superimpose American sensibilities.
I am not even American, to begin with.Let's have a little charity for someone who hasn't grown up as extravagantly privileged as us.Crime is much more often caused by laziness and stupidity than poverty.Notice, in this particualr case, that one of the sacks of shit said that he didn't "think a lot about ethics".
He never said about living in poverty, feeding his siblings or whatever.
Sorry, I have absolutely no sympathy for him.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31626174</id>
	<title>Exactly</title>
	<author>Moraelin</author>
	<datestamp>1269618120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, I remember I was about 18 when I wrote a virus just for curiosity sake. (Yeah, I know, slow learner;)) Just for the reference, back then it meant the kind that copies itself at the end of executables (or for other viruses into the boot sector), rather than the modern day Internet worms.</p><p>It probably wasn't the most advanced virus out there, but it was a neat piece of assembly by \_my\_ standards, and I was pretty proud of it.</p><p>I actually considered releasing it into the wild, but basically... I dunno, something seemed \_wrong\_ with doing so. There was no way I could justify to myself doing something destructive to a lot of perfect strangers that had done me no wrong.</p><p>I didn't think of it as some formalized ethics system, or anything. Heck, I was almost allergic to even the idea of philosophy in any form. It seemed a pointless waste of time to sit and think about abstract artificial dilemmas, instead of doing something actually productive. Like code something. And I was quick to denounce anything that even remotely looked like artifficial and arbitrary social rules and conventions. But it just seemed wrong to do that anyway. Not because it conflicted with some abstract code or philosophy, but just it seemed wrong to do that.</p><p>I think in the end that that \_is\_ ethics.</p><p>So it seems hard for me to swallow a justification like in the summary along the lines of, "hey, at 20 you don't think about ethics." On the contrary, I would expect anyone who got to 20 to be perfectly capable of asking themselves "is it right to do this?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I remember I was about 18 when I wrote a virus just for curiosity sake .
( Yeah , I know , slow learner ; ) ) Just for the reference , back then it meant the kind that copies itself at the end of executables ( or for other viruses into the boot sector ) , rather than the modern day Internet worms.It probably was n't the most advanced virus out there , but it was a neat piece of assembly by \ _my \ _ standards , and I was pretty proud of it.I actually considered releasing it into the wild , but basically... I dunno , something seemed \ _wrong \ _ with doing so .
There was no way I could justify to myself doing something destructive to a lot of perfect strangers that had done me no wrong.I did n't think of it as some formalized ethics system , or anything .
Heck , I was almost allergic to even the idea of philosophy in any form .
It seemed a pointless waste of time to sit and think about abstract artificial dilemmas , instead of doing something actually productive .
Like code something .
And I was quick to denounce anything that even remotely looked like artifficial and arbitrary social rules and conventions .
But it just seemed wrong to do that anyway .
Not because it conflicted with some abstract code or philosophy , but just it seemed wrong to do that.I think in the end that that \ _is \ _ ethics.So it seems hard for me to swallow a justification like in the summary along the lines of , " hey , at 20 you do n't think about ethics .
" On the contrary , I would expect anyone who got to 20 to be perfectly capable of asking themselves " is it right to do this ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I remember I was about 18 when I wrote a virus just for curiosity sake.
(Yeah, I know, slow learner;)) Just for the reference, back then it meant the kind that copies itself at the end of executables (or for other viruses into the boot sector), rather than the modern day Internet worms.It probably wasn't the most advanced virus out there, but it was a neat piece of assembly by \_my\_ standards, and I was pretty proud of it.I actually considered releasing it into the wild, but basically... I dunno, something seemed \_wrong\_ with doing so.
There was no way I could justify to myself doing something destructive to a lot of perfect strangers that had done me no wrong.I didn't think of it as some formalized ethics system, or anything.
Heck, I was almost allergic to even the idea of philosophy in any form.
It seemed a pointless waste of time to sit and think about abstract artificial dilemmas, instead of doing something actually productive.
Like code something.
And I was quick to denounce anything that even remotely looked like artifficial and arbitrary social rules and conventions.
But it just seemed wrong to do that anyway.
Not because it conflicted with some abstract code or philosophy, but just it seemed wrong to do that.I think in the end that that \_is\_ ethics.So it seems hard for me to swallow a justification like in the summary along the lines of, "hey, at 20 you don't think about ethics.
" On the contrary, I would expect anyone who got to 20 to be perfectly capable of asking themselves "is it right to do this?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31626532</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>cbreaker</author>
	<datestamp>1269619380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look man, if this random girl can't understand the services industry without reducing everything to "whoring" then she's a fucking moron.<br><br>So  - a waitress is a Food Whore since she delivers food for money?<br>A delivery man is a package whore?<br>A gas station attendant is a gasoline whore?<br><br>Stupid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look man , if this random girl ca n't understand the services industry without reducing everything to " whoring " then she 's a fucking moron.So - a waitress is a Food Whore since she delivers food for money ? A delivery man is a package whore ? A gas station attendant is a gasoline whore ? Stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look man, if this random girl can't understand the services industry without reducing everything to "whoring" then she's a fucking moron.So  - a waitress is a Food Whore since she delivers food for money?A delivery man is a package whore?A gas station attendant is a gasoline whore?Stupid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624442</id>
	<title>Well that's a bit odd, I think.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269609660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>He's either dodging the question, or he really didn't think about what he was doing? Most people in the malware authoring business probably at least understand the consequences of what they do, even if they don't care. Akin to these guys: <a href="http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11476" title="securityfocus.com">http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11476</a> [securityfocus.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's either dodging the question , or he really did n't think about what he was doing ?
Most people in the malware authoring business probably at least understand the consequences of what they do , even if they do n't care .
Akin to these guys : http : //www.securityfocus.com/news/11476 [ securityfocus.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's either dodging the question, or he really didn't think about what he was doing?
Most people in the malware authoring business probably at least understand the consequences of what they do, even if they don't care.
Akin to these guys: http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11476 [securityfocus.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31625690</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>Zumbs</author>
	<datestamp>1269616380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Indeed. The 20-30 year olds of today's Ukraine are the children of the people who broke 45 years of dictatorship. The first generation to grow up in the newly won political freedom, in a society who believed in the wonders of Capitalism, and were encouraged to dismantle their industry so that everything would become better. Encouraged, partly by the West, partly by idealized illusions on how the West worked, to think of themselves and their own wealth first and foremost - if you worked hard and did not care about others *you* could get rich. It is not surprising that this generation doesn't really care. We taught them well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
The 20-30 year olds of today 's Ukraine are the children of the people who broke 45 years of dictatorship .
The first generation to grow up in the newly won political freedom , in a society who believed in the wonders of Capitalism , and were encouraged to dismantle their industry so that everything would become better .
Encouraged , partly by the West , partly by idealized illusions on how the West worked , to think of themselves and their own wealth first and foremost - if you worked hard and did not care about others * you * could get rich .
It is not surprising that this generation does n't really care .
We taught them well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
The 20-30 year olds of today's Ukraine are the children of the people who broke 45 years of dictatorship.
The first generation to grow up in the newly won political freedom, in a society who believed in the wonders of Capitalism, and were encouraged to dismantle their industry so that everything would become better.
Encouraged, partly by the West, partly by idealized illusions on how the West worked, to think of themselves and their own wealth first and foremost - if you worked hard and did not care about others *you* could get rich.
It is not surprising that this generation doesn't really care.
We taught them well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624754</id>
	<title>Re:Well that's a bit odd, I think.</title>
	<author>Jaydee23</author>
	<datestamp>1269611700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The human brain is quite remarkable in its ability to justify its own actions to itself.

"Group think"  plays its part in situations like this, "all the other guys are doing it so it must be ok".

How somebody responds to authority can also be important. "My boss said it's perfectly legal".

And finally you may have the "Lets give Henry Kissenger the Nobel Peace Prize"  type of meme coming in from families or friends. "You are really good to you sick mother you're a very nice person".

With enough reinforment in various forms you can get people to do pretty much anything</htmltext>
<tokenext>The human brain is quite remarkable in its ability to justify its own actions to itself .
" Group think " plays its part in situations like this , " all the other guys are doing it so it must be ok " .
How somebody responds to authority can also be important .
" My boss said it 's perfectly legal " .
And finally you may have the " Lets give Henry Kissenger the Nobel Peace Prize " type of meme coming in from families or friends .
" You are really good to you sick mother you 're a very nice person " .
With enough reinforment in various forms you can get people to do pretty much anything</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The human brain is quite remarkable in its ability to justify its own actions to itself.
"Group think"  plays its part in situations like this, "all the other guys are doing it so it must be ok".
How somebody responds to authority can also be important.
"My boss said it's perfectly legal".
And finally you may have the "Lets give Henry Kissenger the Nobel Peace Prize"  type of meme coming in from families or friends.
"You are really good to you sick mother you're a very nice person".
With enough reinforment in various forms you can get people to do pretty much anything</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624534</id>
	<title>Re:Ethics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269610320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Funny, I did think about ethics when I was 20.</p></div><p>So did I.  The sense of ethics does evolve with aging, but who hasn't developed any by the age of 20 should be considered retarded, both intellectually and emotionally.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Then again, I wasn't a piece of scum.</p></div><p>"Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , I did think about ethics when I was 20.So did I. The sense of ethics does evolve with aging , but who has n't developed any by the age of 20 should be considered retarded , both intellectually and emotionally.Then again , I was n't a piece of scum .
" Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, I did think about ethics when I was 20.So did I.  The sense of ethics does evolve with aging, but who hasn't developed any by the age of 20 should be considered retarded, both intellectually and emotionally.Then again, I wasn't a piece of scum.
"Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them.
"
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31627816</id>
	<title>damn government</title>
	<author>celle</author>
	<datestamp>1269624360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What we didn't nuke these people from orbit? U.S. didn't have them killed in a covert operation? Or even corporate America send a private army in to eliminate the competition? Figures slimeballs protect slimeballs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What we did n't nuke these people from orbit ?
U.S. did n't have them killed in a covert operation ?
Or even corporate America send a private army in to eliminate the competition ?
Figures slimeballs protect slimeballs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What we didn't nuke these people from orbit?
U.S. didn't have them killed in a covert operation?
Or even corporate America send a private army in to eliminate the competition?
Figures slimeballs protect slimeballs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31626382</id>
	<title>Time for a re-org</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1269618780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> it added a human resources department, hired an internal IT staff and built a call center to dissuade its victims from seeking credit card refunds</p></div></blockquote><p> That's why it's called <i>organized</i> crime. Anotehr example is the architypical Sicilian Mafia. They had accountants, caporegimes (aka 'executive managers'), and even compliance control officers (aka 'button men').</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it added a human resources department , hired an internal IT staff and built a call center to dissuade its victims from seeking credit card refunds That 's why it 's called organized crime .
Anotehr example is the architypical Sicilian Mafia .
They had accountants , caporegimes ( aka 'executive managers ' ) , and even compliance control officers ( aka 'button men ' ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> it added a human resources department, hired an internal IT staff and built a call center to dissuade its victims from seeking credit card refunds That's why it's called organized crime.
Anotehr example is the architypical Sicilian Mafia.
They had accountants, caporegimes (aka 'executive managers'), and even compliance control officers (aka 'button men').
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31624622</id>
	<title>Money Transfers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269610920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They are paid through electronic wire services such as Western Union, Pay Pal and Webmoney which can protect the identity of both the sender and the recipient.</p></div><p>I can see how they can do anonymous transfers with Western Union and I know nothing about Webmoney, but PayPal?</p><p>To fund a PayPal money transfer, you need a credit card or bank account. So, unless you have an accomplice in the banking industry, I don't see how you can be anonymous with PayPal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are paid through electronic wire services such as Western Union , Pay Pal and Webmoney which can protect the identity of both the sender and the recipient.I can see how they can do anonymous transfers with Western Union and I know nothing about Webmoney , but PayPal ? To fund a PayPal money transfer , you need a credit card or bank account .
So , unless you have an accomplice in the banking industry , I do n't see how you can be anonymous with PayPal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are paid through electronic wire services such as Western Union, Pay Pal and Webmoney which can protect the identity of both the sender and the recipient.I can see how they can do anonymous transfers with Western Union and I know nothing about Webmoney, but PayPal?To fund a PayPal money transfer, you need a credit card or bank account.
So, unless you have an accomplice in the banking industry, I don't see how you can be anonymous with PayPal.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_26_063240.31626412</id>
	<title>Well, that's a scary thought, if it were true?</title>
	<author>Moraelin</author>
	<datestamp>1269618900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, if 20 year olds were really that irresponsible and didn't even think about the implications of what they're doing, that would be a pretty scary world. In a lot of the world we trust people with a lot of stuff at 18 years old, which is even lower than 20. We trust them to vote for a start. We trust them enough to give them a loaded weapon and let them into the army. Etc.</p><p>The thought that we could have millions of 18 year olds with a loaded assault rifle in some guard tower, and unable to even think about the consequences of their actions, is pretty scary thought.</p><p>But I doubt that it's like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , if 20 year olds were really that irresponsible and did n't even think about the implications of what they 're doing , that would be a pretty scary world .
In a lot of the world we trust people with a lot of stuff at 18 years old , which is even lower than 20 .
We trust them to vote for a start .
We trust them enough to give them a loaded weapon and let them into the army .
Etc.The thought that we could have millions of 18 year olds with a loaded assault rifle in some guard tower , and unable to even think about the consequences of their actions , is pretty scary thought.But I doubt that it 's like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, if 20 year olds were really that irresponsible and didn't even think about the implications of what they're doing, that would be a pretty scary world.
In a lot of the world we trust people with a lot of stuff at 18 years old, which is even lower than 20.
We trust them to vote for a start.
We trust them enough to give them a loaded weapon and let them into the army.
Etc.The thought that we could have millions of 18 year olds with a loaded assault rifle in some guard tower, and unable to even think about the consequences of their actions, is pretty scary thought.But I doubt that it's like that.</sentencetext>
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	<title>And in an odd twist</title>
	<author>forgot\_my\_username</author>
	<datestamp>1269618840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I thought a lot more about ethics when I was 20 then I do now.... of course I was also a liberal... ahhhh how things change!<br>
<br>
<br>
p.s. Just joking... but only about one part.<br>
<a href="http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5468547-corporate-look-provided-cover" title="allvoices.com" rel="nofollow">Same story different twist</a> [allvoices.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought a lot more about ethics when I was 20 then I do now.... of course I was also a liberal... ahhhh how things change !
p.s. Just joking... but only about one part .
Same story different twist [ allvoices.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought a lot more about ethics when I was 20 then I do now.... of course I was also a liberal... ahhhh how things change!
p.s. Just joking... but only about one part.
Same story different twist [allvoices.com]</sentencetext>
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