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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_25_231232</id>
	<title>Venezuela's Last Opposition TV Owner Arrested</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269516600000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>WrongSizeGlass writes <i>"AP is reporting the owner of Venezuela's only remaining TV channel that takes a critical line against President Hugo Chavez <a href="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT\_VENEZUELA\_NEWS\_MEDIA">was arrested Thursday</a>. 'Guillermo Zuloaga, owner of Globovision, was arrested on a warrant for remarks that were deemed "offensive" to the president,' Attorney General Luisa Ortega said. This comes on the heels of last week's story titled <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/14/1321251/Venezuelas-Chavez-To-Limit-Internet-Freedom">Venezuela's Chavez To Limit Internet Freedom</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>WrongSizeGlass writes " AP is reporting the owner of Venezuela 's only remaining TV channel that takes a critical line against President Hugo Chavez was arrested Thursday .
'Guillermo Zuloaga , owner of Globovision , was arrested on a warrant for remarks that were deemed " offensive " to the president, ' Attorney General Luisa Ortega said .
This comes on the heels of last week 's story titled Venezuela 's Chavez To Limit Internet Freedom .
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<sentencetext>WrongSizeGlass writes "AP is reporting the owner of Venezuela's only remaining TV channel that takes a critical line against President Hugo Chavez was arrested Thursday.
'Guillermo Zuloaga, owner of Globovision, was arrested on a warrant for remarks that were deemed "offensive" to the president,' Attorney General Luisa Ortega said.
This comes on the heels of last week's story titled Venezuela's Chavez To Limit Internet Freedom.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31634312</id>
	<title>Re:Chilling thought</title>
	<author>guspasho</author>
	<datestamp>1269607800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Citation? I have not heard of any of this praise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Citation ?
I have not heard of any of this praise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Citation?
I have not heard of any of this praise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619610</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269521160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Any chance of convincing some gray/black hats to strike a blow for decency<br>&gt; and sanity, and hack Chavez's websites to portray him as a transvestigial<br>&gt; equinophiliac paedo-cannibal?</p><p>&gt; anything that will make the common people laugh at him...</p><p>Why do you imagine that would "make the common people laugh at him"?  He'd successfully portray it as a CIA attack.</p><p>He's the Venezuelans' problem and only they can solve it.  Either they will get rid of the kook or they won't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Any chance of convincing some gray/black hats to strike a blow for decency &gt; and sanity , and hack Chavez 's websites to portray him as a transvestigial &gt; equinophiliac paedo-cannibal ? &gt; anything that will make the common people laugh at him...Why do you imagine that would " make the common people laugh at him " ?
He 'd successfully portray it as a CIA attack.He 's the Venezuelans ' problem and only they can solve it .
Either they will get rid of the kook or they wo n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Any chance of convincing some gray/black hats to strike a blow for decency&gt; and sanity, and hack Chavez's websites to portray him as a transvestigial&gt; equinophiliac paedo-cannibal?&gt; anything that will make the common people laugh at him...Why do you imagine that would "make the common people laugh at him"?
He'd successfully portray it as a CIA attack.He's the Venezuelans' problem and only they can solve it.
Either they will get rid of the kook or they won't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619624</id>
	<title>Boy do I feel stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269521220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been posting lots of melodramatic stuff online about Obama being a usurper and how he's going to throw conservatives in gulags, but now I see how good I've actually got it.  Wow.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been posting lots of melodramatic stuff online about Obama being a usurper and how he 's going to throw conservatives in gulags , but now I see how good I 've actually got it .
Wow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been posting lots of melodramatic stuff online about Obama being a usurper and how he's going to throw conservatives in gulags, but now I see how good I've actually got it.
Wow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620672</id>
	<title>MODS</title>
	<author>TapeCutter</author>
	<datestamp>1269527400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I neither agree nor disagree with the parent post since I do not know how much or little truth it contains but there is nothing in it that deserves a flamebait mod. If anything it deserves an interesting mod since it's expressing a very different (and plausible) view to 99\% of the other (plausible) posts on this story.
<br> <br>
There are limits to free speech (eg: shouting fire in a theater, etc) and the media can and do falcilitate and incite atrocities. For example the Ranawndan genocide was largely incited and subsequently organised via radio stations.
<br> <br>
Again, I don't know what is going on in the Venezuelan media but I don't belive it's impossible that the TV owner is a sociopath who was attempting to incite violence for personal gain. And I certainly don't think it's flamebait to air that viewpoint.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I neither agree nor disagree with the parent post since I do not know how much or little truth it contains but there is nothing in it that deserves a flamebait mod .
If anything it deserves an interesting mod since it 's expressing a very different ( and plausible ) view to 99 \ % of the other ( plausible ) posts on this story .
There are limits to free speech ( eg : shouting fire in a theater , etc ) and the media can and do falcilitate and incite atrocities .
For example the Ranawndan genocide was largely incited and subsequently organised via radio stations .
Again , I do n't know what is going on in the Venezuelan media but I do n't belive it 's impossible that the TV owner is a sociopath who was attempting to incite violence for personal gain .
And I certainly do n't think it 's flamebait to air that viewpoint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I neither agree nor disagree with the parent post since I do not know how much or little truth it contains but there is nothing in it that deserves a flamebait mod.
If anything it deserves an interesting mod since it's expressing a very different (and plausible) view to 99\% of the other (plausible) posts on this story.
There are limits to free speech (eg: shouting fire in a theater, etc) and the media can and do falcilitate and incite atrocities.
For example the Ranawndan genocide was largely incited and subsequently organised via radio stations.
Again, I don't know what is going on in the Venezuelan media but I don't belive it's impossible that the TV owner is a sociopath who was attempting to incite violence for personal gain.
And I certainly don't think it's flamebait to air that viewpoint.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31628210</id>
	<title>lol</title>
	<author>Yaos</author>
	<datestamp>1269625440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Amazing how everybody critical of Chavez is a CIA spy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazing how everybody critical of Chavez is a CIA spy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazing how everybody critical of Chavez is a CIA spy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31622760</id>
	<title>Re:Chilling thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269634560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;Yes, and when the devil says that 2+2=4, it has to be wrong.</p><p>If the devil says how much he loves Obamacare, that'd worry me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; Yes , and when the devil says that 2 + 2 = 4 , it has to be wrong.If the devil says how much he loves Obamacare , that 'd worry me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;Yes, and when the devil says that 2+2=4, it has to be wrong.If the devil says how much he loves Obamacare, that'd worry me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619502</id>
	<title>I'm still appalled that anyone defends Chavez</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269520680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've got no beef with socialism in general, but what Chavez is doing isn't socialism. I'm perpetually annoyed by socialism supporters like <a href="http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2010/03/08/wacko-sean-penn-chavez-critics-should-be-jailed/" title="sistertoldjah.com" rel="nofollow">Sean Penn</a> [sistertoldjah.com] who defend Chavez, claiming he is not a dictator. I'm sorry, but taking over the media, <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/15/AR2009021500136\_pf.html" title="washingtonpost.com" rel="nofollow">rewriting the constitution to remove term limits so he can stay in power indefinitely</a> [washingtonpost.com] and possibly attempting to assassinate the democratically elected president of a neighboring country (see the first link) are not the actions of a democratic leader. Combined with the allegations of vote fraud and voter suppression in opposition neighborhoods, the man has crossed that line that divides "pompous but legitimate ruler" from "dictator in all but name."</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got no beef with socialism in general , but what Chavez is doing is n't socialism .
I 'm perpetually annoyed by socialism supporters like Sean Penn [ sistertoldjah.com ] who defend Chavez , claiming he is not a dictator .
I 'm sorry , but taking over the media , rewriting the constitution to remove term limits so he can stay in power indefinitely [ washingtonpost.com ] and possibly attempting to assassinate the democratically elected president of a neighboring country ( see the first link ) are not the actions of a democratic leader .
Combined with the allegations of vote fraud and voter suppression in opposition neighborhoods , the man has crossed that line that divides " pompous but legitimate ruler " from " dictator in all but name .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got no beef with socialism in general, but what Chavez is doing isn't socialism.
I'm perpetually annoyed by socialism supporters like Sean Penn [sistertoldjah.com] who defend Chavez, claiming he is not a dictator.
I'm sorry, but taking over the media, rewriting the constitution to remove term limits so he can stay in power indefinitely [washingtonpost.com] and possibly attempting to assassinate the democratically elected president of a neighboring country (see the first link) are not the actions of a democratic leader.
Combined with the allegations of vote fraud and voter suppression in opposition neighborhoods, the man has crossed that line that divides "pompous but legitimate ruler" from "dictator in all but name.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621902</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>MightyMartian</author>
	<datestamp>1269537240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering how many American dollars flow into Venezuela, he can afford to be anything he likes.  If we really want to convince Venezuelans to get rid of this guy, stop refining their frickin' oil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering how many American dollars flow into Venezuela , he can afford to be anything he likes .
If we really want to convince Venezuelans to get rid of this guy , stop refining their frickin ' oil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering how many American dollars flow into Venezuela, he can afford to be anything he likes.
If we really want to convince Venezuelans to get rid of this guy, stop refining their frickin' oil.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31624530</id>
	<title>Re:What has Slashdot to do with this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269610320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm from Venezuela and I have to say you don't know what you are talking about. Crime is rampant, there are electricity problems across the country, food is scarce.</p><p>It is very convenient to say there is democracy in Venezuela when you live in the US. Maybe you and Sean Penn should spent more quality time in 'Petare' or '23 de Enero' (some of the most dangerous 'barrios' in Caracas'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm from Venezuela and I have to say you do n't know what you are talking about .
Crime is rampant , there are electricity problems across the country , food is scarce.It is very convenient to say there is democracy in Venezuela when you live in the US .
Maybe you and Sean Penn should spent more quality time in 'Petare ' or '23 de Enero ' ( some of the most dangerous 'barrios ' in Caracas' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm from Venezuela and I have to say you don't know what you are talking about.
Crime is rampant, there are electricity problems across the country, food is scarce.It is very convenient to say there is democracy in Venezuela when you live in the US.
Maybe you and Sean Penn should spent more quality time in 'Petare' or '23 de Enero' (some of the most dangerous 'barrios' in Caracas'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620428</id>
	<title>Re:I'm still appalled that anyone defends Chavez</title>
	<author>blahplusplus</author>
	<datestamp>1269525780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"What was important was that the masses should believe in ideology and obey."</p><p>You mean like americans?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" What was important was that the masses should believe in ideology and obey .
" You mean like americans ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"What was important was that the masses should believe in ideology and obey.
"You mean like americans?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621178</id>
	<title>Re:Chilling thought</title>
	<author>bigjocker</author>
	<datestamp>1269531120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What disturbs me is that everyone fails to mention that the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KpM4g1uwa4" title="youtube.com">TV station owner used his TV station to accuse the government of mass killings, without presenting any proof whatsoever.</a> [youtube.com]</p><p>I mean, he owns the TV station, and he goes outside the country to make accusations (that may be true, mind you) without presenting any proof, and then transmits those declaration nonstop on his TV station. This is not about free speech, or freedom of press. It's about making claims without any proof and then using your own TV station to repeat the message ad-nauseam.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What disturbs me is that everyone fails to mention that the TV station owner used his TV station to accuse the government of mass killings , without presenting any proof whatsoever .
[ youtube.com ] I mean , he owns the TV station , and he goes outside the country to make accusations ( that may be true , mind you ) without presenting any proof , and then transmits those declaration nonstop on his TV station .
This is not about free speech , or freedom of press .
It 's about making claims without any proof and then using your own TV station to repeat the message ad-nauseam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What disturbs me is that everyone fails to mention that the TV station owner used his TV station to accuse the government of mass killings, without presenting any proof whatsoever.
[youtube.com]I mean, he owns the TV station, and he goes outside the country to make accusations (that may be true, mind you) without presenting any proof, and then transmits those declaration nonstop on his TV station.
This is not about free speech, or freedom of press.
It's about making claims without any proof and then using your own TV station to repeat the message ad-nauseam.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621164</id>
	<title>Re:Chilling thought</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1269531000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, and Adolph Hitler wrote a book, therefore we should burn them all.</p><p>I mean, if Chavez (or Castro) will say that it's a good thing for America that it has a public education system, will you also disturb you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , and Adolph Hitler wrote a book , therefore we should burn them all.I mean , if Chavez ( or Castro ) will say that it 's a good thing for America that it has a public education system , will you also disturb you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, and Adolph Hitler wrote a book, therefore we should burn them all.I mean, if Chavez (or Castro) will say that it's a good thing for America that it has a public education system, will you also disturb you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31625396</id>
	<title>Re:Chilling thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269615000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2 + 2 = 5</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2 + 2 = 5</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2 + 2 = 5</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619632</id>
	<title>Re:Chilling thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269521340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It disturbs me greatly that a man like this, and Fidel Castro regularly have been praising the direction our country is heading.</p></div><p>Yes, and when the devil says that 2+2=4, it has to be wrong. If you do the exact opposite of what certain people tell you to do, you're letting them influence you just as much as if you followed exactly what they tell you to do. The only way to deal with people like that is to ignore their populist comments.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It disturbs me greatly that a man like this , and Fidel Castro regularly have been praising the direction our country is heading.Yes , and when the devil says that 2 + 2 = 4 , it has to be wrong .
If you do the exact opposite of what certain people tell you to do , you 're letting them influence you just as much as if you followed exactly what they tell you to do .
The only way to deal with people like that is to ignore their populist comments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It disturbs me greatly that a man like this, and Fidel Castro regularly have been praising the direction our country is heading.Yes, and when the devil says that 2+2=4, it has to be wrong.
If you do the exact opposite of what certain people tell you to do, you're letting them influence you just as much as if you followed exactly what they tell you to do.
The only way to deal with people like that is to ignore their populist comments.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621154</id>
	<title>Re:Lordy lord, it's not that bad</title>
	<author>Scrameustache</author>
	<datestamp>1269530880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you want change, don't prop up the same old government. If you're a socialist, elect a different socialist president. If you're a capitalist, same thing. There's no reason to maintain Chavez in power for another 50 years.</p></div><p>Is there another socialist that could beat Chavez in a popularity contest...er... election? And what if they pull a Putin and the new president names the last president to some other high office but he doesn't actually change chairs or move his office or anything?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want change , do n't prop up the same old government .
If you 're a socialist , elect a different socialist president .
If you 're a capitalist , same thing .
There 's no reason to maintain Chavez in power for another 50 years.Is there another socialist that could beat Chavez in a popularity contest...er... election ? And what if they pull a Putin and the new president names the last president to some other high office but he does n't actually change chairs or move his office or anything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want change, don't prop up the same old government.
If you're a socialist, elect a different socialist president.
If you're a capitalist, same thing.
There's no reason to maintain Chavez in power for another 50 years.Is there another socialist that could beat Chavez in a popularity contest...er... election? And what if they pull a Putin and the new president names the last president to some other high office but he doesn't actually change chairs or move his office or anything?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31623260</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269597900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"Even the poor are starting to turn against him."</i></p><p>citation?</p><p><i>"His attempt a couple of years ago to amend the constitution to allow him to run for president forever turned out to be an embarrassing failure."</i></p><p>Not true. He won the referendum on the second try.<br><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/15/AR2009021500136\_pf.html" title="washingtonpost.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/15/AR2009021500136\_pf.html</a> [washingtonpost.com]</p><p>When right-wing US friend Uribe in Columbia tries the same thing, there's complete silence about it in the western mainstream media.</p><p>Is Colombia's Uribe pulling a Ch&#225;vez on term limits?<br><a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2009/0902/p06s05-woam.html" title="csmonitor.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2009/0902/p06s05-woam.html</a> [csmonitor.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Even the poor are starting to turn against him. " citation ?
" His attempt a couple of years ago to amend the constitution to allow him to run for president forever turned out to be an embarrassing failure .
" Not true .
He won the referendum on the second try.http : //www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/15/AR2009021500136 \ _pf.html [ washingtonpost.com ] When right-wing US friend Uribe in Columbia tries the same thing , there 's complete silence about it in the western mainstream media.Is Colombia 's Uribe pulling a Ch   vez on term limits ? http : //www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2009/0902/p06s05-woam.html [ csmonitor.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Even the poor are starting to turn against him."citation?
"His attempt a couple of years ago to amend the constitution to allow him to run for president forever turned out to be an embarrassing failure.
"Not true.
He won the referendum on the second try.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/15/AR2009021500136\_pf.html [washingtonpost.com]When right-wing US friend Uribe in Columbia tries the same thing, there's complete silence about it in the western mainstream media.Is Colombia's Uribe pulling a Chávez on term limits?http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2009/0902/p06s05-woam.html [csmonitor.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31622410</id>
	<title>What has Slashdot to do with this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269543780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, WTH is this doing in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. ? The OWNER of a tv STATION gets arrested boarding his plane when trying to leave the country, when a court summoned him to back up his criminal claims against the president (He said Chavez ordered the killing of protesters), all of this in a foreign country. And it somehow becomes... YOUR rights ONLINE? What has someone from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. anything to do with this? Do we all cry if the owner of Fox News (Rupert Murdoch) gets sued by Democrats for libel? How is this relevant to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. ???</p><p>70\% of the comments are bullshit. Most comments have an obvious anti-Chavez bias, completely full of lies. Anyone can visit the country and immediately discover the truth. This is psycho-warfare. Believe all my lies of this country, "but don't go there!, it's dangerous!, just trust everything i say"...</p><p>Say, does<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. reports when a community station gets closed?  By reading these comments, one would think there is no "dissident" opinion allowed in Venezuela. I dare you come here and not find anti-chavez opinion in the media, 95\% of it in private hands, 80\% against Chavez. Yet, Chavez keep winning elections, because the people want him despite what media corporate lords want.</p><p>There is even someone asking if its possible for people to own a satellite dish... Are you on drugs? Subscription TV has higher penetration than Internet here, above 25\% (lame, i know). You can watch all the "fine" examples of American TV, including Fox News, CNN, ABC, and the rest of your "unbiased" news corporations. We don't have a Great Firewall, and we don't censor news or opinion, but people is accountable of what they say. Even that other channel which supposedly was closed, is not, they just lost the license for public broadcast, but are doing just fine in cable and satellite, 24h attacking the government.</p><p>This guy Zuloaga, who owns another channel, will likely lose his license in a few years. That doesn't mean much as it only covers 3 cities using public airwaves. Most of its target audience are wealthy people with subscription based tv in their home who won't miss a thing. There are still many other TV stations, almost all radio and a majority of newspapers and magazines all against the government, yet the people won't budge.</p><p>Their biggest mistake is believing their own lies, thinking everyone hates Chavez just like they do, then banging their heads against the wall everytime they keep losing elections, trying to find excuses even if the whole world comes to watch the process or 100\% of the voting machines get audited right after the election closes. So they resort to the conclusion the majority is stupid for choosing Chavez and they, the "well prepared and educated", need to seize power by any means, just like Honduras and oppress anyone else.</p><p>Democracy, or the power of majority over minority, is an obstacle for the opposition, who was used to rule the country to their whim for decades, and who conveniently forget it was their failure which caused Chavez to rise in the first place. Socialism? Communism? There isn't anything of the sort in Venezuela. There is a declared INTENTION towards Socialism, but thats about it. We can't even claim a mixed-economy, as the majority of production is still in private hands, but at least it's not 100\% private anymore and a decade of neo-liberalism is being reverted slowly.</p><p>Of course media corporate lords don't like these community radio/tv things, but they won't tell you that. When they were in power, such thing was "pirate" and heavily repressed. How dare the poor organize and enter their turf they spent so many years to monopolize? But of course you don't hear that, its all Chavez this, Chavez, that. Keep living in dreams, the people are awake.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , WTH is this doing in / .
? The OWNER of a tv STATION gets arrested boarding his plane when trying to leave the country , when a court summoned him to back up his criminal claims against the president ( He said Chavez ordered the killing of protesters ) , all of this in a foreign country .
And it somehow becomes... YOUR rights ONLINE ?
What has someone from / .
anything to do with this ?
Do we all cry if the owner of Fox News ( Rupert Murdoch ) gets sued by Democrats for libel ?
How is this relevant to / .
? ? ? 70 \ % of the comments are bullshit .
Most comments have an obvious anti-Chavez bias , completely full of lies .
Anyone can visit the country and immediately discover the truth .
This is psycho-warfare .
Believe all my lies of this country , " but do n't go there ! , it 's dangerous ! , just trust everything i say " ...Say , does / .
reports when a community station gets closed ?
By reading these comments , one would think there is no " dissident " opinion allowed in Venezuela .
I dare you come here and not find anti-chavez opinion in the media , 95 \ % of it in private hands , 80 \ % against Chavez .
Yet , Chavez keep winning elections , because the people want him despite what media corporate lords want.There is even someone asking if its possible for people to own a satellite dish... Are you on drugs ?
Subscription TV has higher penetration than Internet here , above 25 \ % ( lame , i know ) .
You can watch all the " fine " examples of American TV , including Fox News , CNN , ABC , and the rest of your " unbiased " news corporations .
We do n't have a Great Firewall , and we do n't censor news or opinion , but people is accountable of what they say .
Even that other channel which supposedly was closed , is not , they just lost the license for public broadcast , but are doing just fine in cable and satellite , 24h attacking the government.This guy Zuloaga , who owns another channel , will likely lose his license in a few years .
That does n't mean much as it only covers 3 cities using public airwaves .
Most of its target audience are wealthy people with subscription based tv in their home who wo n't miss a thing .
There are still many other TV stations , almost all radio and a majority of newspapers and magazines all against the government , yet the people wo n't budge.Their biggest mistake is believing their own lies , thinking everyone hates Chavez just like they do , then banging their heads against the wall everytime they keep losing elections , trying to find excuses even if the whole world comes to watch the process or 100 \ % of the voting machines get audited right after the election closes .
So they resort to the conclusion the majority is stupid for choosing Chavez and they , the " well prepared and educated " , need to seize power by any means , just like Honduras and oppress anyone else.Democracy , or the power of majority over minority , is an obstacle for the opposition , who was used to rule the country to their whim for decades , and who conveniently forget it was their failure which caused Chavez to rise in the first place .
Socialism ? Communism ?
There is n't anything of the sort in Venezuela .
There is a declared INTENTION towards Socialism , but thats about it .
We ca n't even claim a mixed-economy , as the majority of production is still in private hands , but at least it 's not 100 \ % private anymore and a decade of neo-liberalism is being reverted slowly.Of course media corporate lords do n't like these community radio/tv things , but they wo n't tell you that .
When they were in power , such thing was " pirate " and heavily repressed .
How dare the poor organize and enter their turf they spent so many years to monopolize ?
But of course you do n't hear that , its all Chavez this , Chavez , that .
Keep living in dreams , the people are awake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, WTH is this doing in /.
? The OWNER of a tv STATION gets arrested boarding his plane when trying to leave the country, when a court summoned him to back up his criminal claims against the president (He said Chavez ordered the killing of protesters), all of this in a foreign country.
And it somehow becomes... YOUR rights ONLINE?
What has someone from /.
anything to do with this?
Do we all cry if the owner of Fox News (Rupert Murdoch) gets sued by Democrats for libel?
How is this relevant to /.
???70\% of the comments are bullshit.
Most comments have an obvious anti-Chavez bias, completely full of lies.
Anyone can visit the country and immediately discover the truth.
This is psycho-warfare.
Believe all my lies of this country, "but don't go there!, it's dangerous!, just trust everything i say"...Say, does /.
reports when a community station gets closed?
By reading these comments, one would think there is no "dissident" opinion allowed in Venezuela.
I dare you come here and not find anti-chavez opinion in the media, 95\% of it in private hands, 80\% against Chavez.
Yet, Chavez keep winning elections, because the people want him despite what media corporate lords want.There is even someone asking if its possible for people to own a satellite dish... Are you on drugs?
Subscription TV has higher penetration than Internet here, above 25\% (lame, i know).
You can watch all the "fine" examples of American TV, including Fox News, CNN, ABC, and the rest of your "unbiased" news corporations.
We don't have a Great Firewall, and we don't censor news or opinion, but people is accountable of what they say.
Even that other channel which supposedly was closed, is not, they just lost the license for public broadcast, but are doing just fine in cable and satellite, 24h attacking the government.This guy Zuloaga, who owns another channel, will likely lose his license in a few years.
That doesn't mean much as it only covers 3 cities using public airwaves.
Most of its target audience are wealthy people with subscription based tv in their home who won't miss a thing.
There are still many other TV stations, almost all radio and a majority of newspapers and magazines all against the government, yet the people won't budge.Their biggest mistake is believing their own lies, thinking everyone hates Chavez just like they do, then banging their heads against the wall everytime they keep losing elections, trying to find excuses even if the whole world comes to watch the process or 100\% of the voting machines get audited right after the election closes.
So they resort to the conclusion the majority is stupid for choosing Chavez and they, the "well prepared and educated", need to seize power by any means, just like Honduras and oppress anyone else.Democracy, or the power of majority over minority, is an obstacle for the opposition, who was used to rule the country to their whim for decades, and who conveniently forget it was their failure which caused Chavez to rise in the first place.
Socialism? Communism?
There isn't anything of the sort in Venezuela.
There is a declared INTENTION towards Socialism, but thats about it.
We can't even claim a mixed-economy, as the majority of production is still in private hands, but at least it's not 100\% private anymore and a decade of neo-liberalism is being reverted slowly.Of course media corporate lords don't like these community radio/tv things, but they won't tell you that.
When they were in power, such thing was "pirate" and heavily repressed.
How dare the poor organize and enter their turf they spent so many years to monopolize?
But of course you don't hear that, its all Chavez this, Chavez, that.
Keep living in dreams, the people are awake.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621258</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269531840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why do you imagine that would "make the common people laugh at him"?  He'd successfully portray it as a CIA attack.</p></div><p>Then bring in the Russians.  Those ex-KGB guys knew how to run a good disinformation campaign.  Throw mud, keep throwing mud, fling mud into real news stories that spin them the wrong way, do everything you can to make the target look incompetent and buffoonish at every turn.  Be sure to use deniable cut-outs so that the deceit can't ever be traced directly back to you.</p><p>They caused plenty of dissent in the USA during the cold war.  They also learned that disinformation wasn't enough to topple the leaders of the U.S. government, nor did it give them the clear advantage in negotiations.  Occasionally it gave them blackmail opportunities to create informants, but for the most part it was a giant waste of money.  The KGB apparently never saw it that way, as they stated in 1984 that "Our chief task is to help to frustrate the aggressive intentions of American imperialism<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... We must work unweariedly at exposing the adversary's weak and vulnerable points."  The job of Service A was to fabricate disinformation through "active measures."</p><p>Service A was responsible for casting doubt upon the lone gunman "theory" of the Kennedy assassination; they portrayed J. Edgar Hoover as a Bircher and amplified the rumors of him being a gay cross dresser; and they successfully caused gullible third world leaders to believe all kinds of lies, from AIDS being created by the U.S. Army at Fort Detrick to the U.S. importing third-world orphans to use as organ donors to supposed plans to overthrow the Indian president Rajiv Gandhi.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you imagine that would " make the common people laugh at him " ?
He 'd successfully portray it as a CIA attack.Then bring in the Russians .
Those ex-KGB guys knew how to run a good disinformation campaign .
Throw mud , keep throwing mud , fling mud into real news stories that spin them the wrong way , do everything you can to make the target look incompetent and buffoonish at every turn .
Be sure to use deniable cut-outs so that the deceit ca n't ever be traced directly back to you.They caused plenty of dissent in the USA during the cold war .
They also learned that disinformation was n't enough to topple the leaders of the U.S. government , nor did it give them the clear advantage in negotiations .
Occasionally it gave them blackmail opportunities to create informants , but for the most part it was a giant waste of money .
The KGB apparently never saw it that way , as they stated in 1984 that " Our chief task is to help to frustrate the aggressive intentions of American imperialism ... We must work unweariedly at exposing the adversary 's weak and vulnerable points .
" The job of Service A was to fabricate disinformation through " active measures .
" Service A was responsible for casting doubt upon the lone gunman " theory " of the Kennedy assassination ; they portrayed J. Edgar Hoover as a Bircher and amplified the rumors of him being a gay cross dresser ; and they successfully caused gullible third world leaders to believe all kinds of lies , from AIDS being created by the U.S. Army at Fort Detrick to the U.S. importing third-world orphans to use as organ donors to supposed plans to overthrow the Indian president Rajiv Gandhi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you imagine that would "make the common people laugh at him"?
He'd successfully portray it as a CIA attack.Then bring in the Russians.
Those ex-KGB guys knew how to run a good disinformation campaign.
Throw mud, keep throwing mud, fling mud into real news stories that spin them the wrong way, do everything you can to make the target look incompetent and buffoonish at every turn.
Be sure to use deniable cut-outs so that the deceit can't ever be traced directly back to you.They caused plenty of dissent in the USA during the cold war.
They also learned that disinformation wasn't enough to topple the leaders of the U.S. government, nor did it give them the clear advantage in negotiations.
Occasionally it gave them blackmail opportunities to create informants, but for the most part it was a giant waste of money.
The KGB apparently never saw it that way, as they stated in 1984 that "Our chief task is to help to frustrate the aggressive intentions of American imperialism ... We must work unweariedly at exposing the adversary's weak and vulnerable points.
"  The job of Service A was to fabricate disinformation through "active measures.
"Service A was responsible for casting doubt upon the lone gunman "theory" of the Kennedy assassination; they portrayed J. Edgar Hoover as a Bircher and amplified the rumors of him being a gay cross dresser; and they successfully caused gullible third world leaders to believe all kinds of lies, from AIDS being created by the U.S. Army at Fort Detrick to the U.S. importing third-world orphans to use as organ donors to supposed plans to overthrow the Indian president Rajiv Gandhi.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31626002</id>
	<title>Re:The president has a right to legal defense</title>
	<author>Mithrandir86</author>
	<datestamp>1269617580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm ignorant of the "legal" system in Venezuela (quotes are used since I'm skeptical of the rule of law in that country), but is the burden of proof on the accused in this case?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm ignorant of the " legal " system in Venezuela ( quotes are used since I 'm skeptical of the rule of law in that country ) , but is the burden of proof on the accused in this case ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm ignorant of the "legal" system in Venezuela (quotes are used since I'm skeptical of the rule of law in that country), but is the burden of proof on the accused in this case?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621540</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620360</id>
	<title>Screaming Recal Cancer</title>
	<author>elkto</author>
	<datestamp>1269525300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Screaming Rectal Cancer, Screaming Rectal Cancer for all of you....humph...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Screaming Rectal Cancer , Screaming Rectal Cancer for all of you....humph.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screaming Rectal Cancer, Screaming Rectal Cancer for all of you....humph...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31625498</id>
	<title>Re:Chilling thought</title>
	<author>Ogive17</author>
	<datestamp>1269615540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Same thing as Europeans giving Obama a Nobel prize for giving a few speeches.  Just the outside world trying to influence US policy (something they ironically chastise the US for doing, though I can admit sometimes it is warranted).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Same thing as Europeans giving Obama a Nobel prize for giving a few speeches .
Just the outside world trying to influence US policy ( something they ironically chastise the US for doing , though I can admit sometimes it is warranted ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same thing as Europeans giving Obama a Nobel prize for giving a few speeches.
Just the outside world trying to influence US policy (something they ironically chastise the US for doing, though I can admit sometimes it is warranted).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619448</id>
	<title>Uh oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269520440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> As bad as things were in Venezuela before this, now they've gotten much, much worse. Any chance of convincing some gray/black hats to strike a blow for decency and sanity, and hack Chavez's websites to portray him as a transvestigial equinophiliac paedo-cannibal? </p><p> anything that will make the common people laugh at him, and thereby undermine his social standing from within is just about the only hope Venezuela has left </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As bad as things were in Venezuela before this , now they 've gotten much , much worse .
Any chance of convincing some gray/black hats to strike a blow for decency and sanity , and hack Chavez 's websites to portray him as a transvestigial equinophiliac paedo-cannibal ?
anything that will make the common people laugh at him , and thereby undermine his social standing from within is just about the only hope Venezuela has left</tokentext>
<sentencetext> As bad as things were in Venezuela before this, now they've gotten much, much worse.
Any chance of convincing some gray/black hats to strike a blow for decency and sanity, and hack Chavez's websites to portray him as a transvestigial equinophiliac paedo-cannibal?
anything that will make the common people laugh at him, and thereby undermine his social standing from within is just about the only hope Venezuela has left </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619538</id>
	<title>Well,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269520800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There you go, Sean Penn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There you go , Sean Penn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There you go, Sean Penn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31623628</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>xelah</author>
	<datestamp>1269601920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oil revenues have declined as output has slowed, in part because much of Venezuela's oil is heavy and difficult to extract, and the expertise to do so was largely provided by foreign companies. When he nationalized the oil industry there, many of those experts told him to go pound sand when he asked for assistance.</p></div><p>
He's also sucked so much money out of the oil industry for 'social programmes' (ie, to hand to the poor in exchange for political support) that it can't invest in infrastructure. He's also raided central bank reserves and destroyed a lot of private enterprise. He might have handed a lot of money to the poor, but he's done it by running down Venezuela's capital and productive capacity.
</p><p>
He will run out of money. The Venezuelan poor will end up poorer than they were before. The economy will be left in a state where it's difficult to do anything about it. Maybe he knows he has to be so thoroughly entrenched by then that he can't be easily removed even when the poor find out?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oil revenues have declined as output has slowed , in part because much of Venezuela 's oil is heavy and difficult to extract , and the expertise to do so was largely provided by foreign companies .
When he nationalized the oil industry there , many of those experts told him to go pound sand when he asked for assistance .
He 's also sucked so much money out of the oil industry for 'social programmes ' ( ie , to hand to the poor in exchange for political support ) that it ca n't invest in infrastructure .
He 's also raided central bank reserves and destroyed a lot of private enterprise .
He might have handed a lot of money to the poor , but he 's done it by running down Venezuela 's capital and productive capacity .
He will run out of money .
The Venezuelan poor will end up poorer than they were before .
The economy will be left in a state where it 's difficult to do anything about it .
Maybe he knows he has to be so thoroughly entrenched by then that he ca n't be easily removed even when the poor find out ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oil revenues have declined as output has slowed, in part because much of Venezuela's oil is heavy and difficult to extract, and the expertise to do so was largely provided by foreign companies.
When he nationalized the oil industry there, many of those experts told him to go pound sand when he asked for assistance.
He's also sucked so much money out of the oil industry for 'social programmes' (ie, to hand to the poor in exchange for political support) that it can't invest in infrastructure.
He's also raided central bank reserves and destroyed a lot of private enterprise.
He might have handed a lot of money to the poor, but he's done it by running down Venezuela's capital and productive capacity.
He will run out of money.
The Venezuelan poor will end up poorer than they were before.
The economy will be left in a state where it's difficult to do anything about it.
Maybe he knows he has to be so thoroughly entrenched by then that he can't be easily removed even when the poor find out?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620000</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31624218</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269607860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sadly the CIA gave him that sway when they unsuccessfully tried to launch a coup against him in 2002 after he nationalized oil production.</p></div><p>Uh, [citation needed]. PDVSA was a state-owned company. What he did was sweeping the whole board of directors to place his loyals.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Very similar to what happened the coup against Mohommad Mossadegh in Iran in the 1950's. The downside is we got caught with our hand in the cookie jar this time around</p></div><p>Again, [citation needed]; it's too easy to paint your favourite bad guys behind everything bad that happens to you. Now tell me <a href="http://www.venelogia.com/uploads/mandrake/marcha-11-abril-2002-miraflores.jpg" title="venelogia.com" rel="nofollow">these</a> [venelogia.com] <a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/\_BRbGSk42vVQ/SupOdQkE2TI/AAAAAAAAEuY/3Bl-gKvUNNk/s400/referendum-marcha-2004.jpg" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">people</a> [blogspot.com] were all rallied, prodded and herded by CIA operators.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>and Chavez has been very carte blanche about dragging it out every time anything critical of him comes out. Its only gotten worse as Chavez has gotten... umm... how to put it nicely... battier?</p></div><p>"Bolder" is the word you're looking for. He was a fan of Castro well before getting elected (he flew frequently to Cuba to meet him, and copied his style in speeches and rallies) but he kept mum about it when he was campaigning in '98. At that time, he slammed corruption, weak governments and selling out to the IMF as the root of Venezuela's evils, and he flatly denied being a socialist or any plans to nationalize companies. Shortly after election, it was all about "savage, inhuman neoliberalism" and put military cronies including fellow coup-mongers in key government positions. A few years later he vowed that Venezuela would sail the same "sea of happiness" as Cuba and started dropping references to socialism. Now he is all for socialism against capitalism in all its forms, and he claims to be marxist (though he admits he hasn't read The Capital).
</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Its a shame, he was a cool leader when he began; and had a number of revolutionary ideas (even if he completely understood the history of Simon Bolivar).</p></div><p>Oh, <em>that</em>. The Bol&#237;var pseudo-cult. It's been taught in schools since... forever, and it's mostly hot air. HCh promised to rescue his "true" ideals and put them to work in public administration. When he assumed, it was all "Bolivarian This" and "Bol&#237;var That". Now that he shifted his focus to socialism, Bol&#237;var has been silently left out of the name of new projects, and everything is "Socialist X". See the pattern?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly the CIA gave him that sway when they unsuccessfully tried to launch a coup against him in 2002 after he nationalized oil production.Uh , [ citation needed ] .
PDVSA was a state-owned company .
What he did was sweeping the whole board of directors to place his loyals.Very similar to what happened the coup against Mohommad Mossadegh in Iran in the 1950 's .
The downside is we got caught with our hand in the cookie jar this time aroundAgain , [ citation needed ] ; it 's too easy to paint your favourite bad guys behind everything bad that happens to you .
Now tell me these [ venelogia.com ] people [ blogspot.com ] were all rallied , prodded and herded by CIA operators.and Chavez has been very carte blanche about dragging it out every time anything critical of him comes out .
Its only gotten worse as Chavez has gotten... umm... how to put it nicely.. .
battier ? " Bolder " is the word you 're looking for .
He was a fan of Castro well before getting elected ( he flew frequently to Cuba to meet him , and copied his style in speeches and rallies ) but he kept mum about it when he was campaigning in '98 .
At that time , he slammed corruption , weak governments and selling out to the IMF as the root of Venezuela 's evils , and he flatly denied being a socialist or any plans to nationalize companies .
Shortly after election , it was all about " savage , inhuman neoliberalism " and put military cronies including fellow coup-mongers in key government positions .
A few years later he vowed that Venezuela would sail the same " sea of happiness " as Cuba and started dropping references to socialism .
Now he is all for socialism against capitalism in all its forms , and he claims to be marxist ( though he admits he has n't read The Capital ) .
Its a shame , he was a cool leader when he began ; and had a number of revolutionary ideas ( even if he completely understood the history of Simon Bolivar ) .Oh , that .
The Bol   var pseudo-cult .
It 's been taught in schools since... forever , and it 's mostly hot air .
HCh promised to rescue his " true " ideals and put them to work in public administration .
When he assumed , it was all " Bolivarian This " and " Bol   var That " .
Now that he shifted his focus to socialism , Bol   var has been silently left out of the name of new projects , and everything is " Socialist X " .
See the pattern ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly the CIA gave him that sway when they unsuccessfully tried to launch a coup against him in 2002 after he nationalized oil production.Uh, [citation needed].
PDVSA was a state-owned company.
What he did was sweeping the whole board of directors to place his loyals.Very similar to what happened the coup against Mohommad Mossadegh in Iran in the 1950's.
The downside is we got caught with our hand in the cookie jar this time aroundAgain, [citation needed]; it's too easy to paint your favourite bad guys behind everything bad that happens to you.
Now tell me these [venelogia.com] people [blogspot.com] were all rallied, prodded and herded by CIA operators.and Chavez has been very carte blanche about dragging it out every time anything critical of him comes out.
Its only gotten worse as Chavez has gotten... umm... how to put it nicely...
battier?"Bolder" is the word you're looking for.
He was a fan of Castro well before getting elected (he flew frequently to Cuba to meet him, and copied his style in speeches and rallies) but he kept mum about it when he was campaigning in '98.
At that time, he slammed corruption, weak governments and selling out to the IMF as the root of Venezuela's evils, and he flatly denied being a socialist or any plans to nationalize companies.
Shortly after election, it was all about "savage, inhuman neoliberalism" and put military cronies including fellow coup-mongers in key government positions.
A few years later he vowed that Venezuela would sail the same "sea of happiness" as Cuba and started dropping references to socialism.
Now he is all for socialism against capitalism in all its forms, and he claims to be marxist (though he admits he hasn't read The Capital).
Its a shame, he was a cool leader when he began; and had a number of revolutionary ideas (even if he completely understood the history of Simon Bolivar).Oh, that.
The Bolívar pseudo-cult.
It's been taught in schools since... forever, and it's mostly hot air.
HCh promised to rescue his "true" ideals and put them to work in public administration.
When he assumed, it was all "Bolivarian This" and "Bolívar That".
Now that he shifted his focus to socialism, Bolívar has been silently left out of the name of new projects, and everything is "Socialist X".
See the pattern?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620486</id>
	<title>bzzt</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269526140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would be helpful to know that although those tv stations were <a href="http://mondediplo.com/2002/08/10venezuela" title="mondediplo.com" rel="nofollow">directly linked to   </a> [mondediplo.com]the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/21/usa.venezuela" title="guardian.co.uk" rel="nofollow">2002 coup</a> [guardian.co.uk] Chavez had not gone after them at the time.</p><p>I would also like to inform me about another dictator that has gained 70\% of the votes at the elections that the US said that were 100\% legitimate,or another dictator that has <a href="http://www.venezuelasolidarity.org.uk/ven/web/2006/articles/robinson\_international.html" title="venezuelas...ity.org.uk" rel="nofollow">eliminated iliteracy</a> [venezuelas...ity.org.uk] in his country, that has brought<a href="http://www.rnv.gov.ve/noticias/index.php?act=ST&amp;f=31&amp;t=59754" title="rnv.gov.ve" rel="nofollow"> cheap sate food shops</a> [rnv.gov.ve] to the starving from free market people thus eliminating hunger,  and has provided the poorest with free <a href="http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Health/PeopleHealthSystem\_Venez.html" title="thirdworldtraveler.com" rel="nofollow">quality healthcare</a> [thirdworldtraveler.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be helpful to know that although those tv stations were directly linked to [ mondediplo.com ] the 2002 coup [ guardian.co.uk ] Chavez had not gone after them at the time.I would also like to inform me about another dictator that has gained 70 \ % of the votes at the elections that the US said that were 100 \ % legitimate,or another dictator that has eliminated iliteracy [ venezuelas...ity.org.uk ] in his country , that has brought cheap sate food shops [ rnv.gov.ve ] to the starving from free market people thus eliminating hunger , and has provided the poorest with free quality healthcare [ thirdworldtraveler.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be helpful to know that although those tv stations were directly linked to    [mondediplo.com]the 2002 coup [guardian.co.uk] Chavez had not gone after them at the time.I would also like to inform me about another dictator that has gained 70\% of the votes at the elections that the US said that were 100\% legitimate,or another dictator that has eliminated iliteracy [venezuelas...ity.org.uk] in his country, that has brought cheap sate food shops [rnv.gov.ve] to the starving from free market people thus eliminating hunger,  and has provided the poorest with free quality healthcare [thirdworldtraveler.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31622964</id>
	<title>Re:I'm still appalled that anyone defends Chavez</title>
	<author>mikael\_j</author>
	<datestamp>1269594060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should keep in mind that Orwell wasn't exactly right-wing, what he had issues with was totalitarianism and dictatorship (regardless of what they may be teaching schoolchildren in some countries (I had a teacher who told me Orwell was anti-communist and that 1984 was his way of supporting free-market capitalism, do I have to mention that the teacher in question was in favor of Sweden joining NATO?).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should keep in mind that Orwell was n't exactly right-wing , what he had issues with was totalitarianism and dictatorship ( regardless of what they may be teaching schoolchildren in some countries ( I had a teacher who told me Orwell was anti-communist and that 1984 was his way of supporting free-market capitalism , do I have to mention that the teacher in question was in favor of Sweden joining NATO ?
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should keep in mind that Orwell wasn't exactly right-wing, what he had issues with was totalitarianism and dictatorship (regardless of what they may be teaching schoolchildren in some countries (I had a teacher who told me Orwell was anti-communist and that 1984 was his way of supporting free-market capitalism, do I have to mention that the teacher in question was in favor of Sweden joining NATO?
).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31623486</id>
	<title>Re:What has Slashdot to do with this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269600420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right on - the first sensible comment on this thread.</p><p>You absolutely cannot trust US / Western media sources reporting to be objective on Venezuela / Chavez as there is a concerted campaign to destroy the reputation of a Latin American leader that does not put US interests before the interests of his own people.</p><p>[The revolution will not be televised: <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144#\%5D" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144#\%5D</a> [google.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right on - the first sensible comment on this thread.You absolutely can not trust US / Western media sources reporting to be objective on Venezuela / Chavez as there is a concerted campaign to destroy the reputation of a Latin American leader that does not put US interests before the interests of his own people .
[ The revolution will not be televised : http : //video.google.com/videoplay ? docid = 5832390545689805144 # \ % 5D [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right on - the first sensible comment on this thread.You absolutely cannot trust US / Western media sources reporting to be objective on Venezuela / Chavez as there is a concerted campaign to destroy the reputation of a Latin American leader that does not put US interests before the interests of his own people.
[The revolution will not be televised: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144#\%5D [google.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619654</id>
	<title>Re:Chilling thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269521460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since this is Slashdot, I'm assuming "our country" is the United States.  If not, I apologize.</p><p>The only example which I found on a Google search was one from today, when <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/25/AR2010032501309.html" title="washingtonpost.com">Fidel Castro praised the new US Health care plan</a> [washingtonpost.com].  I hardly would call that "praising the direction our country is heading" - are there any other examples.  Everything else I found was generally negative.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since this is Slashdot , I 'm assuming " our country " is the United States .
If not , I apologize.The only example which I found on a Google search was one from today , when Fidel Castro praised the new US Health care plan [ washingtonpost.com ] .
I hardly would call that " praising the direction our country is heading " - are there any other examples .
Everything else I found was generally negative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since this is Slashdot, I'm assuming "our country" is the United States.
If not, I apologize.The only example which I found on a Google search was one from today, when Fidel Castro praised the new US Health care plan [washingtonpost.com].
I hardly would call that "praising the direction our country is heading" - are there any other examples.
Everything else I found was generally negative.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31633442</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>ebuck</author>
	<datestamp>1269602520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you listened to a lot of talk radio?  There are certainly a number of thought provoking people on the airwaves, but for each one of them there's twenty people spewing non-sequiters and thinly veiled hate speech.  A rational argument could be made that all talk radio should be disbanded for the good of our country's educational system.</p><p>Personally, I wouldn't want to see talk radio disappear, I'd just want them required to adhere to news standards.  By constantly voicing their opinion in "news-like" clothing, they're confusing current issues with inflammatory fantasy.  And their audience is eating it up because it's so entertaining.  The downside is that we have proven as a nation that people don't think, they repeat what they have been told are good ideas.</p><p>It's so bad now that I can't even follow my brother's arguments, because as I just try to ask for an explanation of what he's so worked up about, I get hit with new unrelated arguments.  It's like a new argumentative fallacy, if you manage to bewilder your audience, you're right!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you listened to a lot of talk radio ?
There are certainly a number of thought provoking people on the airwaves , but for each one of them there 's twenty people spewing non-sequiters and thinly veiled hate speech .
A rational argument could be made that all talk radio should be disbanded for the good of our country 's educational system.Personally , I would n't want to see talk radio disappear , I 'd just want them required to adhere to news standards .
By constantly voicing their opinion in " news-like " clothing , they 're confusing current issues with inflammatory fantasy .
And their audience is eating it up because it 's so entertaining .
The downside is that we have proven as a nation that people do n't think , they repeat what they have been told are good ideas.It 's so bad now that I ca n't even follow my brother 's arguments , because as I just try to ask for an explanation of what he 's so worked up about , I get hit with new unrelated arguments .
It 's like a new argumentative fallacy , if you manage to bewilder your audience , you 're right !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you listened to a lot of talk radio?
There are certainly a number of thought provoking people on the airwaves, but for each one of them there's twenty people spewing non-sequiters and thinly veiled hate speech.
A rational argument could be made that all talk radio should be disbanded for the good of our country's educational system.Personally, I wouldn't want to see talk radio disappear, I'd just want them required to adhere to news standards.
By constantly voicing their opinion in "news-like" clothing, they're confusing current issues with inflammatory fantasy.
And their audience is eating it up because it's so entertaining.
The downside is that we have proven as a nation that people don't think, they repeat what they have been told are good ideas.It's so bad now that I can't even follow my brother's arguments, because as I just try to ask for an explanation of what he's so worked up about, I get hit with new unrelated arguments.
It's like a new argumentative fallacy, if you manage to bewilder your audience, you're right!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621162</id>
	<title>There is one thing I want to know now:</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1269531000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it legal in Venezuela to operate a satelite dish? How hard are they to get? How much money (compared to the average income) would it cost?</p><p>That's basically what will determine whether the control of information and information distribution is the goal. It makes very little sense, when your goal is information control, to shut down local networks if it is trivial for your subjects to get information from sat channels abroad, possibly from countries that don't look favorable at yours. Reducing the amount of available TV channels usually prompts people to look for ways to get more variety, something they would probably not do if there is enough domestic entertainment available.</p><p>So what's the status of sat programming in Venezuela?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it legal in Venezuela to operate a satelite dish ?
How hard are they to get ?
How much money ( compared to the average income ) would it cost ? That 's basically what will determine whether the control of information and information distribution is the goal .
It makes very little sense , when your goal is information control , to shut down local networks if it is trivial for your subjects to get information from sat channels abroad , possibly from countries that do n't look favorable at yours .
Reducing the amount of available TV channels usually prompts people to look for ways to get more variety , something they would probably not do if there is enough domestic entertainment available.So what 's the status of sat programming in Venezuela ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it legal in Venezuela to operate a satelite dish?
How hard are they to get?
How much money (compared to the average income) would it cost?That's basically what will determine whether the control of information and information distribution is the goal.
It makes very little sense, when your goal is information control, to shut down local networks if it is trivial for your subjects to get information from sat channels abroad, possibly from countries that don't look favorable at yours.
Reducing the amount of available TV channels usually prompts people to look for ways to get more variety, something they would probably not do if there is enough domestic entertainment available.So what's the status of sat programming in Venezuela?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31624568</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah..right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269610560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><ul>
<li>The "webpage" is actually a forum, with anonymous registration and intermittently moderated if at all. The owner posts news from main media outlets and users comment on these, much like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</li><li>The comments that caused the stir were false rumours stating that closest Ch&#225;vez ally Diosdado Cabello had been murdered and state-paid media gadfly Mario Silva (add up Glenn Beck, Rush, Coulter, etc and multiply by ten) was shot at.</li><li>Hugo said literally "the Internet cannot be a free thing, where anyone can say what they want". Then there was serious talk in congress (mostly Ch&#225;vez yes-men), that Venezuelan webpages should be monitored and investigated</li></ul><p>
Wake up and smell the crap...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " webpage " is actually a forum , with anonymous registration and intermittently moderated if at all .
The owner posts news from main media outlets and users comment on these , much like /.The comments that caused the stir were false rumours stating that closest Ch   vez ally Diosdado Cabello had been murdered and state-paid media gadfly Mario Silva ( add up Glenn Beck , Rush , Coulter , etc and multiply by ten ) was shot at.Hugo said literally " the Internet can not be a free thing , where anyone can say what they want " .
Then there was serious talk in congress ( mostly Ch   vez yes-men ) , that Venezuelan webpages should be monitored and investigated Wake up and smell the crap.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The "webpage" is actually a forum, with anonymous registration and intermittently moderated if at all.
The owner posts news from main media outlets and users comment on these, much like /.The comments that caused the stir were false rumours stating that closest Chávez ally Diosdado Cabello had been murdered and state-paid media gadfly Mario Silva (add up Glenn Beck, Rush, Coulter, etc and multiply by ten) was shot at.Hugo said literally "the Internet cannot be a free thing, where anyone can say what they want".
Then there was serious talk in congress (mostly Chávez yes-men), that Venezuelan webpages should be monitored and investigated
Wake up and smell the crap...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621788</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>jhol13</author>
	<datestamp>1269536160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have always wondered how the power corrupts.</p><p>I mean, suppose I got to be a dictator, would I become a monster? What would be needed to make me nutjob, a coup attempt, an assassination attempt or what?<br>How long does it take, after all it seems to happen very, very fast.</p><p>When Chavez won the election he seemed like almost-sane (well, about as sane as any president in S-A, I'd say). Not anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have always wondered how the power corrupts.I mean , suppose I got to be a dictator , would I become a monster ?
What would be needed to make me nutjob , a coup attempt , an assassination attempt or what ? How long does it take , after all it seems to happen very , very fast.When Chavez won the election he seemed like almost-sane ( well , about as sane as any president in S-A , I 'd say ) .
Not anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have always wondered how the power corrupts.I mean, suppose I got to be a dictator, would I become a monster?
What would be needed to make me nutjob, a coup attempt, an assassination attempt or what?How long does it take, after all it seems to happen very, very fast.When Chavez won the election he seemed like almost-sane (well, about as sane as any president in S-A, I'd say).
Not anymore.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619808</id>
	<title>Since when..?</title>
	<author>dragisha</author>
	<datestamp>1269522120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..is TV considered "online"?</p><p>Is it really something for "Your Rights Online" or just simple<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.'s HR activism? Some kind of tax incentive like when movie displays US flag?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..is TV considered " online " ? Is it really something for " Your Rights Online " or just simple / .
's HR activism ?
Some kind of tax incentive like when movie displays US flag ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..is TV considered "online"?Is it really something for "Your Rights Online" or just simple /.
's HR activism?
Some kind of tax incentive like when movie displays US flag?
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31627242</id>
	<title>Just what democrats want to do in the socialist US</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269622260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is exactly what the tyranical democrats and b.o. want to do in the socialist states of america!  Eliminate all dissenting opinion!</p><p>It is time to take up the pitchforks, tar, feathers and rails and take them to washington and our democrat run state, city and county governments!</p><p>Time to remove the liberal dems. via a tweak of a pitchfork on the bum, tar and feather them or ride them out on a rail!!</p><p>Remove these democrats that are intent on ruining our lives and increasing their own wealth!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is exactly what the tyranical democrats and b.o .
want to do in the socialist states of america !
Eliminate all dissenting opinion ! It is time to take up the pitchforks , tar , feathers and rails and take them to washington and our democrat run state , city and county governments ! Time to remove the liberal dems .
via a tweak of a pitchfork on the bum , tar and feather them or ride them out on a rail !
! Remove these democrats that are intent on ruining our lives and increasing their own wealth !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is exactly what the tyranical democrats and b.o.
want to do in the socialist states of america!
Eliminate all dissenting opinion!It is time to take up the pitchforks, tar, feathers and rails and take them to washington and our democrat run state, city and county governments!Time to remove the liberal dems.
via a tweak of a pitchfork on the bum, tar and feather them or ride them out on a rail!
!Remove these democrats that are intent on ruining our lives and increasing their own wealth!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620656</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>coaxial</author>
	<datestamp>1269527220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You look quite fetching in that tin foil hat.</p><p>Seriously, you link to World Net Daily?  That's the same outfit that rails about UN Peacekeepers building gulags in Kansas, while saying that having the President unilaterally declare citizens "unlawful combatants" and indefinitely imprisoning them without trial and having them tortured is a-okay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You look quite fetching in that tin foil hat.Seriously , you link to World Net Daily ?
That 's the same outfit that rails about UN Peacekeepers building gulags in Kansas , while saying that having the President unilaterally declare citizens " unlawful combatants " and indefinitely imprisoning them without trial and having them tortured is a-okay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You look quite fetching in that tin foil hat.Seriously, you link to World Net Daily?
That's the same outfit that rails about UN Peacekeepers building gulags in Kansas, while saying that having the President unilaterally declare citizens "unlawful combatants" and indefinitely imprisoning them without trial and having them tortured is a-okay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31622768</id>
	<title>Yeah..right</title>
	<author>Nagilum23</author>
	<datestamp>1269634620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since last week's story titled "Venezuela's Chavez To Limit Internet Freedom." was really only about taking down a single webpage that demanded Chavez to be killed for years I can only guess this guy was promoting the same or similar things on TV. I would assume the same takedown is possible in most number countries using hate speech, promotion of criminal acts or libel laws.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since last week 's story titled " Venezuela 's Chavez To Limit Internet Freedom .
" was really only about taking down a single webpage that demanded Chavez to be killed for years I can only guess this guy was promoting the same or similar things on TV .
I would assume the same takedown is possible in most number countries using hate speech , promotion of criminal acts or libel laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since last week's story titled "Venezuela's Chavez To Limit Internet Freedom.
" was really only about taking down a single webpage that demanded Chavez to be killed for years I can only guess this guy was promoting the same or similar things on TV.
I would assume the same takedown is possible in most number countries using hate speech, promotion of criminal acts or libel laws.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620128</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>cayenne8</author>
	<datestamp>1269523800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm afraid the US is heading down this same path.<p>
Maybe not as directly or forcefully..but in a more subliminal way to silent opposition in the US. Efforts are on to try to put a lid on <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=106808" title="wnd.com" rel="nofollow">talk radio</a> [wnd.com].</p><p>
I'm still trying to figure out the position that Mark Lloyd holds.."Chief Diversity Officer"? Is this analagous to the Ministry of Truth?</p><p>
Hell, Mark seems to actually appreciate what Hugo Chavez has <b> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMKQB7rZIK4&amp;feature=related" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">done</a> [youtube.com] </b>. And this guy is high up at the FCC??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm afraid the US is heading down this same path .
Maybe not as directly or forcefully..but in a more subliminal way to silent opposition in the US .
Efforts are on to try to put a lid on talk radio [ wnd.com ] .
I 'm still trying to figure out the position that Mark Lloyd holds.. " Chief Diversity Officer " ?
Is this analagous to the Ministry of Truth ?
Hell , Mark seems to actually appreciate what Hugo Chavez has done [ youtube.com ] .
And this guy is high up at the FCC ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm afraid the US is heading down this same path.
Maybe not as directly or forcefully..but in a more subliminal way to silent opposition in the US.
Efforts are on to try to put a lid on talk radio [wnd.com].
I'm still trying to figure out the position that Mark Lloyd holds.."Chief Diversity Officer"?
Is this analagous to the Ministry of Truth?
Hell, Mark seems to actually appreciate what Hugo Chavez has  done [youtube.com] .
And this guy is high up at the FCC?
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31632532</id>
	<title>More Garbage About Venezuela</title>
	<author>neilham</author>
	<datestamp>1269598200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why does Slashdot keep sending garbage about Venezuela to my inbox? The truth is, 90 percent of that country's media is privately owned and criticizes Pres. Chavez aggressively. Globovision is the worst of the lot. It actively participated in the military coup to overthrow the democratically elected government, and also supported the coup in Honduras. The owner, Zuloaga, is nothing but a little Nazi.
Another article recently declared that Venezuela was engaged in a huge military buildup, despite the fact (confirmed by the CIA) that their military spending is lower than most of their neighbours! How about a story about the SEVEN military bases the American Empire is building in Columbia? Think that might constitute a threat to democracy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does Slashdot keep sending garbage about Venezuela to my inbox ?
The truth is , 90 percent of that country 's media is privately owned and criticizes Pres .
Chavez aggressively .
Globovision is the worst of the lot .
It actively participated in the military coup to overthrow the democratically elected government , and also supported the coup in Honduras .
The owner , Zuloaga , is nothing but a little Nazi .
Another article recently declared that Venezuela was engaged in a huge military buildup , despite the fact ( confirmed by the CIA ) that their military spending is lower than most of their neighbours !
How about a story about the SEVEN military bases the American Empire is building in Columbia ?
Think that might constitute a threat to democracy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does Slashdot keep sending garbage about Venezuela to my inbox?
The truth is, 90 percent of that country's media is privately owned and criticizes Pres.
Chavez aggressively.
Globovision is the worst of the lot.
It actively participated in the military coup to overthrow the democratically elected government, and also supported the coup in Honduras.
The owner, Zuloaga, is nothing but a little Nazi.
Another article recently declared that Venezuela was engaged in a huge military buildup, despite the fact (confirmed by the CIA) that their military spending is lower than most of their neighbours!
How about a story about the SEVEN military bases the American Empire is building in Columbia?
Think that might constitute a threat to democracy?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620000</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>Martin Blank</author>
	<datestamp>1269523260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know that he can last too much longer.  Even the poor are starting to turn against him.  His attempt a couple of years ago to amend the constitution to allow him to run for president forever turned out to be an embarrassing failure, though he handled it with as much dignity as he has anything else.  Oil revenues have declined as output has slowed, in part because much of Venezuela's oil is heavy and difficult to extract, and the expertise to do so was largely provided by foreign companies.  When he nationalized the oil industry there, many of those experts told him to go pound sand when he asked for assistance.  The electricity grid has declined in reliability as well, and the money just isn't there to fix it (courtesy of the declining oil production).</p><p>That Venezuela provides discounted or free oil to certain other nations does not help the fiscal line, nor does the refusal (or perhaps political inability) to charge market rates for petroleum products at home, which results in gasoline that costs a tenth of what it does elsewhere in the world, something that Venezuelans see basically as their right as an oil-producing nation.</p><p>He's also warned of "defensive actions" against Colombia (a nation that is not even close to being able to stage a successful attack on a country like Venezuela) on a couple of occasions, and has modernized the military.  It would not surprise me at all to see them fighting in the next few years, though, and I will laugh if Venezuela's modern but inexperienced army gets their heads handed to them by the lesser-equipped but far more combat-experienced Colombian army.</p><p>Then again, I said that he couldn't possible last a few years ago when the troubles began.  A fragmented opposition that can't get a basic unified message together combined with further limited opportunities to get the message out and Chavez's persistent presence on TV for hours on end mean that Chavez will continue to hold the edge for some time to come.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know that he can last too much longer .
Even the poor are starting to turn against him .
His attempt a couple of years ago to amend the constitution to allow him to run for president forever turned out to be an embarrassing failure , though he handled it with as much dignity as he has anything else .
Oil revenues have declined as output has slowed , in part because much of Venezuela 's oil is heavy and difficult to extract , and the expertise to do so was largely provided by foreign companies .
When he nationalized the oil industry there , many of those experts told him to go pound sand when he asked for assistance .
The electricity grid has declined in reliability as well , and the money just is n't there to fix it ( courtesy of the declining oil production ) .That Venezuela provides discounted or free oil to certain other nations does not help the fiscal line , nor does the refusal ( or perhaps political inability ) to charge market rates for petroleum products at home , which results in gasoline that costs a tenth of what it does elsewhere in the world , something that Venezuelans see basically as their right as an oil-producing nation.He 's also warned of " defensive actions " against Colombia ( a nation that is not even close to being able to stage a successful attack on a country like Venezuela ) on a couple of occasions , and has modernized the military .
It would not surprise me at all to see them fighting in the next few years , though , and I will laugh if Venezuela 's modern but inexperienced army gets their heads handed to them by the lesser-equipped but far more combat-experienced Colombian army.Then again , I said that he could n't possible last a few years ago when the troubles began .
A fragmented opposition that ca n't get a basic unified message together combined with further limited opportunities to get the message out and Chavez 's persistent presence on TV for hours on end mean that Chavez will continue to hold the edge for some time to come .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know that he can last too much longer.
Even the poor are starting to turn against him.
His attempt a couple of years ago to amend the constitution to allow him to run for president forever turned out to be an embarrassing failure, though he handled it with as much dignity as he has anything else.
Oil revenues have declined as output has slowed, in part because much of Venezuela's oil is heavy and difficult to extract, and the expertise to do so was largely provided by foreign companies.
When he nationalized the oil industry there, many of those experts told him to go pound sand when he asked for assistance.
The electricity grid has declined in reliability as well, and the money just isn't there to fix it (courtesy of the declining oil production).That Venezuela provides discounted or free oil to certain other nations does not help the fiscal line, nor does the refusal (or perhaps political inability) to charge market rates for petroleum products at home, which results in gasoline that costs a tenth of what it does elsewhere in the world, something that Venezuelans see basically as their right as an oil-producing nation.He's also warned of "defensive actions" against Colombia (a nation that is not even close to being able to stage a successful attack on a country like Venezuela) on a couple of occasions, and has modernized the military.
It would not surprise me at all to see them fighting in the next few years, though, and I will laugh if Venezuela's modern but inexperienced army gets their heads handed to them by the lesser-equipped but far more combat-experienced Colombian army.Then again, I said that he couldn't possible last a few years ago when the troubles began.
A fragmented opposition that can't get a basic unified message together combined with further limited opportunities to get the message out and Chavez's persistent presence on TV for hours on end mean that Chavez will continue to hold the edge for some time to come.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619756</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>scubamage</author>
	<datestamp>1269521880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sadly the CIA gave him that sway when they unsuccessfully tried to launch a coup against him in 2002 after he nationalized oil production. Very similar to what happened the coup against Mohommad Mossadegh in Iran in the 1950's. The downside is we got caught with our hand in the cookie jar this time around, and Chavez has been very carte blanche about dragging it out every time anything critical of him comes out. Its only gotten worse as Chavez has gotten... umm... how to put it nicely... battier? Its a shame, he was a cool leader when he began; and had a number of revolutionary ideas (even if he completely understood the history of Simon Bolivar).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly the CIA gave him that sway when they unsuccessfully tried to launch a coup against him in 2002 after he nationalized oil production .
Very similar to what happened the coup against Mohommad Mossadegh in Iran in the 1950 's .
The downside is we got caught with our hand in the cookie jar this time around , and Chavez has been very carte blanche about dragging it out every time anything critical of him comes out .
Its only gotten worse as Chavez has gotten... umm... how to put it nicely... battier ? Its a shame , he was a cool leader when he began ; and had a number of revolutionary ideas ( even if he completely understood the history of Simon Bolivar ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly the CIA gave him that sway when they unsuccessfully tried to launch a coup against him in 2002 after he nationalized oil production.
Very similar to what happened the coup against Mohommad Mossadegh in Iran in the 1950's.
The downside is we got caught with our hand in the cookie jar this time around, and Chavez has been very carte blanche about dragging it out every time anything critical of him comes out.
Its only gotten worse as Chavez has gotten... umm... how to put it nicely... battier? Its a shame, he was a cool leader when he began; and had a number of revolutionary ideas (even if he completely understood the history of Simon Bolivar).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621040</id>
	<title>Because what he did is legal in the USA?</title>
	<author>bigjocker</author>
	<datestamp>1269529980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KpM4g1uwa4" title="youtube.com">If you have the balls to make wild claims, you better have a pair to prove them.</a> [youtube.com]</p><p>You have the freedom to accuse the government of killing people, but you have the duty to present the proof. Nowhere in the world (including the USA) you can accuse anybody of mass killing people without presenting any proof and come out clean. And when the accuser is the owner of a major TV channel it's worse.</p><p>Next, we'll see slashdot out-crying the incarceration of killers because they voted against Chavez.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have the balls to make wild claims , you better have a pair to prove them .
[ youtube.com ] You have the freedom to accuse the government of killing people , but you have the duty to present the proof .
Nowhere in the world ( including the USA ) you can accuse anybody of mass killing people without presenting any proof and come out clean .
And when the accuser is the owner of a major TV channel it 's worse.Next , we 'll see slashdot out-crying the incarceration of killers because they voted against Chavez .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have the balls to make wild claims, you better have a pair to prove them.
[youtube.com]You have the freedom to accuse the government of killing people, but you have the duty to present the proof.
Nowhere in the world (including the USA) you can accuse anybody of mass killing people without presenting any proof and come out clean.
And when the accuser is the owner of a major TV channel it's worse.Next, we'll see slashdot out-crying the incarceration of killers because they voted against Chavez.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621530</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine Rush Limbaugh multiplied by 1000x</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269534180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>To get an idea of what Chavez has to deal with, imagine if the nutcases running the tea party were in charge, and that Fox News was every station.  Imagine Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh multipied by about 100x.  Imagine that they not only advocated overthrowing the government, but actually put those words into action in an unsuccessful coup attempt.  They cooperated with the military and helped promote the transition to a new government before Chavez's followers put him back into office.  In the US, they wouldn't be alive after something like that.  It would be called treason and they would be hung.  We would hang them, and then we would go on to talk about how repressive other societies are.  In Venezuela, the wealthy have so much power that he had little choice but to let them continue for another 8 years until their licenses ran out.  To describe the situation as a power hungry dictator ruling with an iron fist is just bonkers.</p></div><p>Sean Penn, is that you?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To get an idea of what Chavez has to deal with , imagine if the nutcases running the tea party were in charge , and that Fox News was every station .
Imagine Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh multipied by about 100x .
Imagine that they not only advocated overthrowing the government , but actually put those words into action in an unsuccessful coup attempt .
They cooperated with the military and helped promote the transition to a new government before Chavez 's followers put him back into office .
In the US , they would n't be alive after something like that .
It would be called treason and they would be hung .
We would hang them , and then we would go on to talk about how repressive other societies are .
In Venezuela , the wealthy have so much power that he had little choice but to let them continue for another 8 years until their licenses ran out .
To describe the situation as a power hungry dictator ruling with an iron fist is just bonkers.Sean Penn , is that you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To get an idea of what Chavez has to deal with, imagine if the nutcases running the tea party were in charge, and that Fox News was every station.
Imagine Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh multipied by about 100x.
Imagine that they not only advocated overthrowing the government, but actually put those words into action in an unsuccessful coup attempt.
They cooperated with the military and helped promote the transition to a new government before Chavez's followers put him back into office.
In the US, they wouldn't be alive after something like that.
It would be called treason and they would be hung.
We would hang them, and then we would go on to talk about how repressive other societies are.
In Venezuela, the wealthy have so much power that he had little choice but to let them continue for another 8 years until their licenses ran out.
To describe the situation as a power hungry dictator ruling with an iron fist is just bonkers.Sean Penn, is that you?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620140</id>
	<title>Chavez and oBama</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269523860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I promise you, oBama and Chavez are more alike than most now know!  Whether you agree or not, remember this statement!  I also predicted in 1978 that GM would go bankrupt.  I even wrote the president of GM thirty years ago and told him that I would see GM bankrupt in my life time.  Then thirty years later (last year), I wrote the current president of GM and said, I told you so! lol  I only tell you this so that you won't completely discard my statement about oBama and Chavez.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I promise you , oBama and Chavez are more alike than most now know !
Whether you agree or not , remember this statement !
I also predicted in 1978 that GM would go bankrupt .
I even wrote the president of GM thirty years ago and told him that I would see GM bankrupt in my life time .
Then thirty years later ( last year ) , I wrote the current president of GM and said , I told you so !
lol I only tell you this so that you wo n't completely discard my statement about oBama and Chavez .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I promise you, oBama and Chavez are more alike than most now know!
Whether you agree or not, remember this statement!
I also predicted in 1978 that GM would go bankrupt.
I even wrote the president of GM thirty years ago and told him that I would see GM bankrupt in my life time.
Then thirty years later (last year), I wrote the current president of GM and said, I told you so!
lol  I only tell you this so that you won't completely discard my statement about oBama and Chavez.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619942</id>
	<title>Re:Lordy lord, it's not that bad</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1269522900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look if Chavez can jail opponents arbitrarily, then they should be able to kill Chavez any time they feel like it. That's only fair when law means only what the strong want it to mean.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look if Chavez can jail opponents arbitrarily , then they should be able to kill Chavez any time they feel like it .
That 's only fair when law means only what the strong want it to mean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look if Chavez can jail opponents arbitrarily, then they should be able to kill Chavez any time they feel like it.
That's only fair when law means only what the strong want it to mean.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619760</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621854</id>
	<title>El peque&#241;o Hugo Ch&#225;vez</title>
	<author>l00sr</author>
	<datestamp>1269536700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or, someone could hire this midget to imitate him, and post it all over the intertubes.  Let's see Ch&#225;vez portray<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/that/ as a CIA attack!</p><p><em>Yo soy el peque&#241;o Hugo Ch&#225;vez.  Me encanta el socialismo!</em></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or , someone could hire this midget to imitate him , and post it all over the intertubes .
Let 's see Ch   vez portray /that/ as a CIA attack ! Yo soy el peque   o Hugo Ch   vez .
Me encanta el socialismo !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or, someone could hire this midget to imitate him, and post it all over the intertubes.
Let's see Chávez portray /that/ as a CIA attack!Yo soy el pequeño Hugo Chávez.
Me encanta el socialismo!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31623274</id>
	<title>Not Obama, Bush</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269598140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not Obama, Bush. The Democrats are so limp they wouldn't bat an eyelid. But if you'd asked for Shrub's execution by headshot, you WOULD be sitting still in Cuba waiting for the next drowning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not Obama , Bush .
The Democrats are so limp they would n't bat an eyelid .
But if you 'd asked for Shrub 's execution by headshot , you WOULD be sitting still in Cuba waiting for the next drowning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not Obama, Bush.
The Democrats are so limp they wouldn't bat an eyelid.
But if you'd asked for Shrub's execution by headshot, you WOULD be sitting still in Cuba waiting for the next drowning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31622882</id>
	<title>Re:The place of the media in modern societies</title>
	<author>dragisha</author>
	<datestamp>1269635940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And there are free-media-zealots - enforcement branch of freedom! Their intention is noble, but usually blinded. Maybe most of them are such - others are just paid for it.</p><p>Probably every single country in the world has some kind of "secret deal" policy on it's media. It's pretty obvious who pays whom, and it's only readiness to accept such kind of embarassment and pressure weighted against harm these media make which decides government action.</p><p>For anyone seeing through it's lot of fun seeing energy spent defending media mercenaries - richly paid for what they did - poor souls who find themselves on the wrong side of scales from previous paragraph.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And there are free-media-zealots - enforcement branch of freedom !
Their intention is noble , but usually blinded .
Maybe most of them are such - others are just paid for it.Probably every single country in the world has some kind of " secret deal " policy on it 's media .
It 's pretty obvious who pays whom , and it 's only readiness to accept such kind of embarassment and pressure weighted against harm these media make which decides government action.For anyone seeing through it 's lot of fun seeing energy spent defending media mercenaries - richly paid for what they did - poor souls who find themselves on the wrong side of scales from previous paragraph .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And there are free-media-zealots - enforcement branch of freedom!
Their intention is noble, but usually blinded.
Maybe most of them are such - others are just paid for it.Probably every single country in the world has some kind of "secret deal" policy on it's media.
It's pretty obvious who pays whom, and it's only readiness to accept such kind of embarassment and pressure weighted against harm these media make which decides government action.For anyone seeing through it's lot of fun seeing energy spent defending media mercenaries - richly paid for what they did - poor souls who find themselves on the wrong side of scales from previous paragraph.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619954</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620434</id>
	<title>Re:Boy do I feel stupid</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1269525780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GULAG is an abbreviation, like FBI. You would not say "Then the FBIs came after him." Would you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GULAG is an abbreviation , like FBI .
You would not say " Then the FBIs came after him .
" Would you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GULAG is an abbreviation, like FBI.
You would not say "Then the FBIs came after him.
" Would you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31628246</id>
	<title>Leftists!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269625560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can make Animal Farm required reading, but you can't make them think.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can make Animal Farm required reading , but you ca n't make them think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can make Animal Farm required reading, but you can't make them think.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31629860</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>daem0n1x</author>
	<datestamp>1269630780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
When Chavez screamed "Gringos de mierda! Vayan-se al carajo cien veces!" during a speech, the reactions were diverse:
</p><ol>
<li>Americans were outraged.</li>
<li>Europeans found it funny, though many wouldn't admit it.</li>
<li>The rest of the world was amused.</li>
<li>Latin Americans (the people, not the few rich) considered him the greatest hero of all times. Reading posts like yours, it's not hard to understand why.</li>
</ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>When Chavez screamed " Gringos de mierda !
Vayan-se al carajo cien veces !
" during a speech , the reactions were diverse : Americans were outraged .
Europeans found it funny , though many would n't admit it .
The rest of the world was amused .
Latin Americans ( the people , not the few rich ) considered him the greatest hero of all times .
Reading posts like yours , it 's not hard to understand why .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
When Chavez screamed "Gringos de mierda!
Vayan-se al carajo cien veces!
" during a speech, the reactions were diverse:

Americans were outraged.
Europeans found it funny, though many wouldn't admit it.
The rest of the world was amused.
Latin Americans (the people, not the few rich) considered him the greatest hero of all times.
Reading posts like yours, it's not hard to understand why.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621728</id>
	<title>disapointed with slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269535440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, I never expected this. I thought slashdot was full of smart people. Apparently it's stuffed with zombies without a sense of critical thinking.</p><p>You guys just read something "Venezuela's Last Opposition TV Owner Arrested" and eat it up wiht your eyes closed. South america has been generally under the control of the CIA, chavez is trying to set venezuela free from that tragic condition. Clearly there is a lot of people that don't want to give their priviledges away without a fight, so they come up with misinformation campaigns like this one. Tv in venezuela was basically a disgusting lobby that served a group of small rich people. They clearly used it to try to foul people.<br>That's the tip of the iceberg, if you want to know what really happens in there, go and dig deep into a proper amount of information... Now, making endless discussions based on manipulaed headlines... I am sorry, you might be better off going and watch alice in wonderland.</p><p>Lastly, I care zero about how seriously you take this message, but in my opinion, these discussions are ridiculously pretentious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , I never expected this .
I thought slashdot was full of smart people .
Apparently it 's stuffed with zombies without a sense of critical thinking.You guys just read something " Venezuela 's Last Opposition TV Owner Arrested " and eat it up wiht your eyes closed .
South america has been generally under the control of the CIA , chavez is trying to set venezuela free from that tragic condition .
Clearly there is a lot of people that do n't want to give their priviledges away without a fight , so they come up with misinformation campaigns like this one .
Tv in venezuela was basically a disgusting lobby that served a group of small rich people .
They clearly used it to try to foul people.That 's the tip of the iceberg , if you want to know what really happens in there , go and dig deep into a proper amount of information... Now , making endless discussions based on manipulaed headlines... I am sorry , you might be better off going and watch alice in wonderland.Lastly , I care zero about how seriously you take this message , but in my opinion , these discussions are ridiculously pretentious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, I never expected this.
I thought slashdot was full of smart people.
Apparently it's stuffed with zombies without a sense of critical thinking.You guys just read something "Venezuela's Last Opposition TV Owner Arrested" and eat it up wiht your eyes closed.
South america has been generally under the control of the CIA, chavez is trying to set venezuela free from that tragic condition.
Clearly there is a lot of people that don't want to give their priviledges away without a fight, so they come up with misinformation campaigns like this one.
Tv in venezuela was basically a disgusting lobby that served a group of small rich people.
They clearly used it to try to foul people.That's the tip of the iceberg, if you want to know what really happens in there, go and dig deep into a proper amount of information... Now, making endless discussions based on manipulaed headlines... I am sorry, you might be better off going and watch alice in wonderland.Lastly, I care zero about how seriously you take this message, but in my opinion, these discussions are ridiculously pretentious.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621060</id>
	<title>Imagine Rush Limbaugh multiplied by 1000x</title>
	<author>composer777</author>
	<datestamp>1269530160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To get an idea of what Chavez has to deal with, imagine if the nutcases running the tea party were in charge, and that Fox News was every station.  Imagine Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh multipied by about 100x.  Imagine that they not only advocated overthrowing the government, but actually put those words into action in an unsuccessful coup attempt.  They cooperated with the military and helped promote the transition to a new government before Chavez's followers put him back into office.  In the US, they wouldn't be alive after something like that.  It would be called treason and they would be hung.  We would hang them, and then we would go on to talk about how repressive other societies are.  In Venezuela, the wealthy have so much power that he had little choice but to let them continue for another 8 years until their licenses ran out.  To describe the situation as a power hungry dictator ruling with an iron fist is just bonkers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To get an idea of what Chavez has to deal with , imagine if the nutcases running the tea party were in charge , and that Fox News was every station .
Imagine Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh multipied by about 100x .
Imagine that they not only advocated overthrowing the government , but actually put those words into action in an unsuccessful coup attempt .
They cooperated with the military and helped promote the transition to a new government before Chavez 's followers put him back into office .
In the US , they would n't be alive after something like that .
It would be called treason and they would be hung .
We would hang them , and then we would go on to talk about how repressive other societies are .
In Venezuela , the wealthy have so much power that he had little choice but to let them continue for another 8 years until their licenses ran out .
To describe the situation as a power hungry dictator ruling with an iron fist is just bonkers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To get an idea of what Chavez has to deal with, imagine if the nutcases running the tea party were in charge, and that Fox News was every station.
Imagine Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh multipied by about 100x.
Imagine that they not only advocated overthrowing the government, but actually put those words into action in an unsuccessful coup attempt.
They cooperated with the military and helped promote the transition to a new government before Chavez's followers put him back into office.
In the US, they wouldn't be alive after something like that.
It would be called treason and they would be hung.
We would hang them, and then we would go on to talk about how repressive other societies are.
In Venezuela, the wealthy have so much power that he had little choice but to let them continue for another 8 years until their licenses ran out.
To describe the situation as a power hungry dictator ruling with an iron fist is just bonkers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620506</id>
	<title>in before all the ethnic chauvinists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269526320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and tribal chest thumpers:</p><p>yes, the usa horribly manipulated regimes in central and south america for decades, in the cold war and in the colonial era before</p><p>having said that, that doesn't mean you have to reflexively defend a gasbag like chavez</p><p>or, when chavez does something heinous like this, that you have to wag your finger and say "yeah but the usa..."</p><p>yeah but the usa what? chavez is an asshole. this fact exists independently of anything the usa ever did or is doing</p><p>look: hating the usa does not automatically make you a defender of a petrol funded cult of personality, or at least it shouldn't</p><p>conversely, hating chavez does not automatically make you an american imperialist. so if someone criticizes chavez, that opinion might actually be issued by someone who is not a neoimperialist american scumbag. imagine fucking that! so if you hear criticism of chavez, and you go "typical american..." THEN YOU ARE THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM. what if a brazilian said the same words? are they any more valid or invalid criticisms of chavez?</p><p>can some of you please drop the fucking false dichotomies? if chavez acts like an asshole, THE USA IS COMPLETELY BESIDES THE FUCKING POINT</p><p>the world isn't binary, its actually quite nuanced, and its actually possible for you to criticize the venezuela AND the usa, at the same time, for different and/ or related reasons. i promise: no cognitive dissonance will result</p><p>real life is NOT partisanship, real life is not a soccer game/ futbol game. or at least it shouldn't be, although it often is, falsely and derivatively, amongst the hopelessly propagandized and/ or low iq</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and tribal chest thumpers : yes , the usa horribly manipulated regimes in central and south america for decades , in the cold war and in the colonial era beforehaving said that , that does n't mean you have to reflexively defend a gasbag like chavezor , when chavez does something heinous like this , that you have to wag your finger and say " yeah but the usa... " yeah but the usa what ?
chavez is an asshole .
this fact exists independently of anything the usa ever did or is doinglook : hating the usa does not automatically make you a defender of a petrol funded cult of personality , or at least it shouldn'tconversely , hating chavez does not automatically make you an american imperialist .
so if someone criticizes chavez , that opinion might actually be issued by someone who is not a neoimperialist american scumbag .
imagine fucking that !
so if you hear criticism of chavez , and you go " typical american... " THEN YOU ARE THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM .
what if a brazilian said the same words ?
are they any more valid or invalid criticisms of chavez ? can some of you please drop the fucking false dichotomies ?
if chavez acts like an asshole , THE USA IS COMPLETELY BESIDES THE FUCKING POINTthe world is n't binary , its actually quite nuanced , and its actually possible for you to criticize the venezuela AND the usa , at the same time , for different and/ or related reasons .
i promise : no cognitive dissonance will resultreal life is NOT partisanship , real life is not a soccer game/ futbol game .
or at least it should n't be , although it often is , falsely and derivatively , amongst the hopelessly propagandized and/ or low iq</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and tribal chest thumpers:yes, the usa horribly manipulated regimes in central and south america for decades, in the cold war and in the colonial era beforehaving said that, that doesn't mean you have to reflexively defend a gasbag like chavezor, when chavez does something heinous like this, that you have to wag your finger and say "yeah but the usa..."yeah but the usa what?
chavez is an asshole.
this fact exists independently of anything the usa ever did or is doinglook: hating the usa does not automatically make you a defender of a petrol funded cult of personality, or at least it shouldn'tconversely, hating chavez does not automatically make you an american imperialist.
so if someone criticizes chavez, that opinion might actually be issued by someone who is not a neoimperialist american scumbag.
imagine fucking that!
so if you hear criticism of chavez, and you go "typical american..." THEN YOU ARE THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM.
what if a brazilian said the same words?
are they any more valid or invalid criticisms of chavez?can some of you please drop the fucking false dichotomies?
if chavez acts like an asshole, THE USA IS COMPLETELY BESIDES THE FUCKING POINTthe world isn't binary, its actually quite nuanced, and its actually possible for you to criticize the venezuela AND the usa, at the same time, for different and/ or related reasons.
i promise: no cognitive dissonance will resultreal life is NOT partisanship, real life is not a soccer game/ futbol game.
or at least it shouldn't be, although it often is, falsely and derivatively, amongst the hopelessly propagandized and/ or low iq</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620182</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1269524160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>He's the Venezuelans' problem and only they can solve it.</p></div></blockquote><p>Actually, for a lot of Venezuelans, Chavez was the solution.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's the Venezuelans ' problem and only they can solve it.Actually , for a lot of Venezuelans , Chavez was the solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's the Venezuelans' problem and only they can solve it.Actually, for a lot of Venezuelans, Chavez was the solution.
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	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619610</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619666</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>royallthefourth</author>
	<datestamp>1269521520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>anything that will make the common people laugh at him, and thereby undermine his social standing from within is just about the only hope Venezuela has left</p></div><p>Ha! You think common people have the internet in Venezuela?</p><p>White-collar, internet posting first-worlders are a global minority numerically.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>anything that will make the common people laugh at him , and thereby undermine his social standing from within is just about the only hope Venezuela has leftHa !
You think common people have the internet in Venezuela ? White-collar , internet posting first-worlders are a global minority numerically .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>anything that will make the common people laugh at him, and thereby undermine his social standing from within is just about the only hope Venezuela has leftHa!
You think common people have the internet in Venezuela?White-collar, internet posting first-worlders are a global minority numerically.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31626588</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>Fred\_A</author>
	<datestamp>1269619620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You look quite fetching in that tin foil hat.</p><p>Seriously, you link to World Net Daily?  That's the same outfit that rails about UN Peacekeepers building gulags in Kansas, while saying that having the President unilaterally declare citizens "unlawful combatants" and indefinitely imprisoning them without trial and having them tortured is a-okay.</p></div><p>I thought that was The Onion ?<br>For us Europeans, keeping track of the satirical press in the US isn't easy.<br>Well another funny rag to read is always nice I suppose, although this one seems to be a bit too far out from the little browsing I've done of their site.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You look quite fetching in that tin foil hat.Seriously , you link to World Net Daily ?
That 's the same outfit that rails about UN Peacekeepers building gulags in Kansas , while saying that having the President unilaterally declare citizens " unlawful combatants " and indefinitely imprisoning them without trial and having them tortured is a-okay.I thought that was The Onion ? For us Europeans , keeping track of the satirical press in the US is n't easy.Well another funny rag to read is always nice I suppose , although this one seems to be a bit too far out from the little browsing I 've done of their site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You look quite fetching in that tin foil hat.Seriously, you link to World Net Daily?
That's the same outfit that rails about UN Peacekeepers building gulags in Kansas, while saying that having the President unilaterally declare citizens "unlawful combatants" and indefinitely imprisoning them without trial and having them tortured is a-okay.I thought that was The Onion ?For us Europeans, keeping track of the satirical press in the US isn't easy.Well another funny rag to read is always nice I suppose, although this one seems to be a bit too far out from the little browsing I've done of their site.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31625332</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269614760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"make the target look incompetent and buffoonish at every turn."</p><p>Good lord! Then the Ruskies must have reactivated entire KGB divisions when Bush was in power to pile some dirt on him. And I never even realized...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" make the target look incompetent and buffoonish at every turn .
" Good lord !
Then the Ruskies must have reactivated entire KGB divisions when Bush was in power to pile some dirt on him .
And I never even realized.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"make the target look incompetent and buffoonish at every turn.
"Good lord!
Then the Ruskies must have reactivated entire KGB divisions when Bush was in power to pile some dirt on him.
And I never even realized...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621258</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620962</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269529260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>He's also warned of "defensive actions" against <b>Colombia (a nation that is not even close to being able to stage a successful attack on a country like Venezuela)</b> on a couple of occasions, and has modernized the military.  It would not surprise me at all to see them fighting in the next few years, though, and I will laugh if Venezuela's modern but inexperienced army gets their heads handed to them by the lesser-equipped but far more combat-experienced Colombian army.</p></div><p>I was about to mod you up, but having read that part I'll give you this information instead: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8343692.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8343692.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]<br><i>Colombian opposition groups have reacted angrily after details of a controversial military deal with the US were made public.<br>Under the 10-year deal, <b>the US military will not only have access to military bases, but also be able to use major international civilian airports.</b> </i></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's also warned of " defensive actions " against Colombia ( a nation that is not even close to being able to stage a successful attack on a country like Venezuela ) on a couple of occasions , and has modernized the military .
It would not surprise me at all to see them fighting in the next few years , though , and I will laugh if Venezuela 's modern but inexperienced army gets their heads handed to them by the lesser-equipped but far more combat-experienced Colombian army.I was about to mod you up , but having read that part I 'll give you this information instead : http : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8343692.stm [ bbc.co.uk ] Colombian opposition groups have reacted angrily after details of a controversial military deal with the US were made public.Under the 10-year deal , the US military will not only have access to military bases , but also be able to use major international civilian airports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's also warned of "defensive actions" against Colombia (a nation that is not even close to being able to stage a successful attack on a country like Venezuela) on a couple of occasions, and has modernized the military.
It would not surprise me at all to see them fighting in the next few years, though, and I will laugh if Venezuela's modern but inexperienced army gets their heads handed to them by the lesser-equipped but far more combat-experienced Colombian army.I was about to mod you up, but having read that part I'll give you this information instead: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8343692.stm [bbc.co.uk]Colombian opposition groups have reacted angrily after details of a controversial military deal with the US were made public.Under the 10-year deal, the US military will not only have access to military bases, but also be able to use major international civilian airports. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31633500</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>An Onerous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1269602820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For all but the wealthiest 10\% of Venezuela's population, yes, they are much better off now than they were under previous regimes.  The lower classes are getting health services, education, and -- horrifying to elitist right wingers like yourself -- political power.  Something like 20\% of the population was brought up above the poverty line just in the years between 2002 and 2006.</p><p>Globovision is basically FOX News in Spanish and on steroids.  During the attempted coup against Chavez in 2002, they openly advocated for the coup, deliberately injected false information onto the airwaves (saying that troops were firing on protesters).  When the counterprotest began, and the people in the slums came out in massive support of Chavez, they refused to report on it.  When they could no longer find anything to spin into a "we are winning" message, they stopped reporting altogether, and ran cartoons instead.</p><p>So I don't see much in the way of journalistic ideals coming from them.  They are the voice of privilege and corporate power in Venezuela.  I would love to see truly independent media in Venezuela, but right now it seems that every outlet is either pro-Chavez propaganda or reactionary propaganda by the economic elites.  Neither is particularly healthy for the country.</p><p>I'm at a loss to understand why you think the property rights of multinationals, which were often created at gunpoint, or by a handful of corrupt leaders, should be respected.  Unless you believe that the resources of a country legitimately belong to a handful of despots with the military muscle to back up their theft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For all but the wealthiest 10 \ % of Venezuela 's population , yes , they are much better off now than they were under previous regimes .
The lower classes are getting health services , education , and -- horrifying to elitist right wingers like yourself -- political power .
Something like 20 \ % of the population was brought up above the poverty line just in the years between 2002 and 2006.Globovision is basically FOX News in Spanish and on steroids .
During the attempted coup against Chavez in 2002 , they openly advocated for the coup , deliberately injected false information onto the airwaves ( saying that troops were firing on protesters ) .
When the counterprotest began , and the people in the slums came out in massive support of Chavez , they refused to report on it .
When they could no longer find anything to spin into a " we are winning " message , they stopped reporting altogether , and ran cartoons instead.So I do n't see much in the way of journalistic ideals coming from them .
They are the voice of privilege and corporate power in Venezuela .
I would love to see truly independent media in Venezuela , but right now it seems that every outlet is either pro-Chavez propaganda or reactionary propaganda by the economic elites .
Neither is particularly healthy for the country.I 'm at a loss to understand why you think the property rights of multinationals , which were often created at gunpoint , or by a handful of corrupt leaders , should be respected .
Unless you believe that the resources of a country legitimately belong to a handful of despots with the military muscle to back up their theft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For all but the wealthiest 10\% of Venezuela's population, yes, they are much better off now than they were under previous regimes.
The lower classes are getting health services, education, and -- horrifying to elitist right wingers like yourself -- political power.
Something like 20\% of the population was brought up above the poverty line just in the years between 2002 and 2006.Globovision is basically FOX News in Spanish and on steroids.
During the attempted coup against Chavez in 2002, they openly advocated for the coup, deliberately injected false information onto the airwaves (saying that troops were firing on protesters).
When the counterprotest began, and the people in the slums came out in massive support of Chavez, they refused to report on it.
When they could no longer find anything to spin into a "we are winning" message, they stopped reporting altogether, and ran cartoons instead.So I don't see much in the way of journalistic ideals coming from them.
They are the voice of privilege and corporate power in Venezuela.
I would love to see truly independent media in Venezuela, but right now it seems that every outlet is either pro-Chavez propaganda or reactionary propaganda by the economic elites.
Neither is particularly healthy for the country.I'm at a loss to understand why you think the property rights of multinationals, which were often created at gunpoint, or by a handful of corrupt leaders, should be respected.
Unless you believe that the resources of a country legitimately belong to a handful of despots with the military muscle to back up their theft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620070</id>
	<title>Thanks to the  US Supreme Court...</title>
	<author>Required Snark</author>
	<datestamp>1269523560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks to to recent US Supreme Court ruling removing limits on corporate spending on politics, Hugo Chavez could easily funnel funds into the US to influence the political process. The same goes for China or Saudi Arabia or Libya or ???
<p>
It follows the classic Slashdot 3 Step Plan:
</p><p>
1. Acquire US corporation with overseas branches (Bahamas, anyone).
</p><p>
2. Transfer funds to US, make contributions, buy political advertising, etc.
</p><p>
3. Profit! In this case profit equals changing US behavior.
</p><p>
This is such a new ruling that the practical limits have not been tested in court. Even so, current law makes it difficult to find out who is really behind much existing political funding. And if you are willing to lie, it is even easier.
</p><p>
And if you don't think that money buys political influence, just look at the record breaking spending in the California governs race: <a href="http://www.kcbs.com/localnews/Spending-Soars-in-CA-Governor-s-Race/6639828" title="kcbs.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.kcbs.com/localnews/Spending-Soars-in-CA-Governor-s-Race/6639828</a> [kcbs.com] </p><blockquote><div><p>The movement is reshaping the way elections are waged in trendsetting California while offering a glimpse into America's future after the U.S. Supreme Court in January gave corporations and unions new freedom to spend on many campaigns.</p></div>
</blockquote><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><blockquote><div><p>And in recent years, California has seen a surge in spending by Indian tribes, companies and labor groups trying to elect friendly candidates to the Legislature, sometimes in amounts that dwarf spending by candidate campaigns.</p></div>
</blockquote><blockquote><div><p>
"Campaigns, particularly for governor and U.S. Senate, are not going to get waged between candidate A and candidate B," said Bill Carrick, a Los Angeles-based Democratic consultant with decades of experience in state and national politics.</p></div>
</blockquote><blockquote><div><p>
"There will be all these satellite, independent campaigns that might have a more profound effect on the campaign than the candidates."</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
This is bad enough already.  Imagine how i will be with foreign interests footing the bills...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks to to recent US Supreme Court ruling removing limits on corporate spending on politics , Hugo Chavez could easily funnel funds into the US to influence the political process .
The same goes for China or Saudi Arabia or Libya or ? ? ?
It follows the classic Slashdot 3 Step Plan : 1 .
Acquire US corporation with overseas branches ( Bahamas , anyone ) .
2. Transfer funds to US , make contributions , buy political advertising , etc .
3. Profit !
In this case profit equals changing US behavior .
This is such a new ruling that the practical limits have not been tested in court .
Even so , current law makes it difficult to find out who is really behind much existing political funding .
And if you are willing to lie , it is even easier .
And if you do n't think that money buys political influence , just look at the record breaking spending in the California governs race : http : //www.kcbs.com/localnews/Spending-Soars-in-CA-Governor-s-Race/6639828 [ kcbs.com ] The movement is reshaping the way elections are waged in trendsetting California while offering a glimpse into America 's future after the U.S. Supreme Court in January gave corporations and unions new freedom to spend on many campaigns .
...And in recent years , California has seen a surge in spending by Indian tribes , companies and labor groups trying to elect friendly candidates to the Legislature , sometimes in amounts that dwarf spending by candidate campaigns .
" Campaigns , particularly for governor and U.S. Senate , are not going to get waged between candidate A and candidate B , " said Bill Carrick , a Los Angeles-based Democratic consultant with decades of experience in state and national politics .
" There will be all these satellite , independent campaigns that might have a more profound effect on the campaign than the candidates .
" This is bad enough already .
Imagine how i will be with foreign interests footing the bills.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks to to recent US Supreme Court ruling removing limits on corporate spending on politics, Hugo Chavez could easily funnel funds into the US to influence the political process.
The same goes for China or Saudi Arabia or Libya or ???
It follows the classic Slashdot 3 Step Plan:

1.
Acquire US corporation with overseas branches (Bahamas, anyone).
2. Transfer funds to US, make contributions, buy political advertising, etc.
3. Profit!
In this case profit equals changing US behavior.
This is such a new ruling that the practical limits have not been tested in court.
Even so, current law makes it difficult to find out who is really behind much existing political funding.
And if you are willing to lie, it is even easier.
And if you don't think that money buys political influence, just look at the record breaking spending in the California governs race: http://www.kcbs.com/localnews/Spending-Soars-in-CA-Governor-s-Race/6639828 [kcbs.com] The movement is reshaping the way elections are waged in trendsetting California while offering a glimpse into America's future after the U.S. Supreme Court in January gave corporations and unions new freedom to spend on many campaigns.
...And in recent years, California has seen a surge in spending by Indian tribes, companies and labor groups trying to elect friendly candidates to the Legislature, sometimes in amounts that dwarf spending by candidate campaigns.
"Campaigns, particularly for governor and U.S. Senate, are not going to get waged between candidate A and candidate B," said Bill Carrick, a Los Angeles-based Democratic consultant with decades of experience in state and national politics.
"There will be all these satellite, independent campaigns that might have a more profound effect on the campaign than the candidates.
"

This is bad enough already.
Imagine how i will be with foreign interests footing the bills...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621076</id>
	<title>So..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269530220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How long until we claim they have WMD's in order to justify invading them to take their oil?</p><p>What?  You really think Obama is that much better than Bush?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How long until we claim they have WMD 's in order to justify invading them to take their oil ? What ?
You really think Obama is that much better than Bush ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long until we claim they have WMD's in order to justify invading them to take their oil?What?
You really think Obama is that much better than Bush?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620784</id>
	<title>Re:Since when..?</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1269528180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is it really something for "Your Rights Online" or just simple<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.'s HR activism? Some kind of tax incentive like when movie displays US flag?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div><p>Assuming that "yro" is only about rights on/of the internet, there's still a chilling effect here:  Now that Chavez has total control of Boardwalk and Park Place, don't you think he's going to try to own the whole side of the game board?  Venezuela internet isn't going to be free (as in speech, or as a bird) for long.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it really something for " Your Rights Online " or just simple / .
's HR activism ?
Some kind of tax incentive like when movie displays US flag ?
: ) Assuming that " yro " is only about rights on/of the internet , there 's still a chilling effect here : Now that Chavez has total control of Boardwalk and Park Place , do n't you think he 's going to try to own the whole side of the game board ?
Venezuela internet is n't going to be free ( as in speech , or as a bird ) for long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it really something for "Your Rights Online" or just simple /.
's HR activism?
Some kind of tax incentive like when movie displays US flag?
:)Assuming that "yro" is only about rights on/of the internet, there's still a chilling effect here:  Now that Chavez has total control of Boardwalk and Park Place, don't you think he's going to try to own the whole side of the game board?
Venezuela internet isn't going to be free (as in speech, or as a bird) for long.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619954</id>
	<title>The place of the media in modern societies</title>
	<author>goruka</author>
	<datestamp>1269523020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The place of the media, in modern societies, hasn't been resolved yet. Mass media in this day and age has so much reach that it can cause a revolt or, at much, change the outcome of any democratic election. This is dangerous for any government, and specially for governments of developing nations, whose mass media can be easily owned by foreign capitals/countries with an eye for the local resources.<br> Venezuela is definitely a nation like that, and after he nationalized oil (which was pretty much being looted for pennies by foreign companies), mass media and even factions of the military launched an all out offensive against the government.<br>What we are seeing is pretty much that Chavez has fed up with mass media controlled by foreign interests and decided to close it down, given it was dangerous for his government. Did he have an alternative?<br>
Bottom line is that:<br>
1) Freedom of press is dangerous for any country in the development world, given how easy it can serve foreign interests from developed countries<br>
2) Government intervention of the media is seen as something wrong and antidemocratic, going against free speech (even though it's only the speech of those who own the media).<br>
So, in the best scenario, governments just negotiate favorable deals with the media, in the worst case the media can destroy a government.<br> In the end, the mass media itself just becomes a tool used by large economic groups to threaten governments.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The place of the media , in modern societies , has n't been resolved yet .
Mass media in this day and age has so much reach that it can cause a revolt or , at much , change the outcome of any democratic election .
This is dangerous for any government , and specially for governments of developing nations , whose mass media can be easily owned by foreign capitals/countries with an eye for the local resources .
Venezuela is definitely a nation like that , and after he nationalized oil ( which was pretty much being looted for pennies by foreign companies ) , mass media and even factions of the military launched an all out offensive against the government.What we are seeing is pretty much that Chavez has fed up with mass media controlled by foreign interests and decided to close it down , given it was dangerous for his government .
Did he have an alternative ?
Bottom line is that : 1 ) Freedom of press is dangerous for any country in the development world , given how easy it can serve foreign interests from developed countries 2 ) Government intervention of the media is seen as something wrong and antidemocratic , going against free speech ( even though it 's only the speech of those who own the media ) .
So , in the best scenario , governments just negotiate favorable deals with the media , in the worst case the media can destroy a government .
In the end , the mass media itself just becomes a tool used by large economic groups to threaten governments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The place of the media, in modern societies, hasn't been resolved yet.
Mass media in this day and age has so much reach that it can cause a revolt or, at much, change the outcome of any democratic election.
This is dangerous for any government, and specially for governments of developing nations, whose mass media can be easily owned by foreign capitals/countries with an eye for the local resources.
Venezuela is definitely a nation like that, and after he nationalized oil (which was pretty much being looted for pennies by foreign companies), mass media and even factions of the military launched an all out offensive against the government.What we are seeing is pretty much that Chavez has fed up with mass media controlled by foreign interests and decided to close it down, given it was dangerous for his government.
Did he have an alternative?
Bottom line is that:
1) Freedom of press is dangerous for any country in the development world, given how easy it can serve foreign interests from developed countries
2) Government intervention of the media is seen as something wrong and antidemocratic, going against free speech (even though it's only the speech of those who own the media).
So, in the best scenario, governments just negotiate favorable deals with the media, in the worst case the media can destroy a government.
In the end, the mass media itself just becomes a tool used by large economic groups to threaten governments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620072</id>
	<title>holier than thou are we?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269523560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think there are real freedom of speech in the west, then you are sadly mistaken.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think there are real freedom of speech in the west , then you are sadly mistaken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think there are real freedom of speech in the west, then you are sadly mistaken.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620264</id>
	<title>Re:Lordy lord, it's not that bad</title>
	<author>Eponymous Bastard</author>
	<datestamp>1269524700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the venezuelan government has been trying to close Globovision for a while now, and one of the biggest problems is that they have NEVER advocated any kind of violence against the government, be it the president or anyone else. It would cost too much international support for them to close another oposition  TV station without a good reason.</p><p>The other two big independent TV stations have been scared off enough that they don't dare play anything political. The only other one is VTV, the government's channel (and I don't mean Bush' Fox, I mean wholly owned by the government). They do play show like "La Hojilla" (The razor blade) that openly advocated a few times killing oposition as a legitimate means of defending "the revolution".</p><p>Not to mention Chavez himself sometimes applauding relatively violent acts in his defense.</p><p>Now, I won't say that  Globovision is fair and balanced, but as far as I can tell they never outright lied about anything. I understand Fox news to be more radical and distorting than Globovision and yet I don't see the Fox owners being hounded for years and finally arrested like Zuloaga.</p><p>FWIW, it seems Zuloaga was <a href="http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/noticia/149290/llego-a-caracas-guillermo-zuloaga-tras-ser-detenido-en-punto-fijo/" title="noticias24.com">released after appearing in court</a> [noticias24.com], with a prohibition against leaving the country. We'll see whether he'll fold and close Globovision or be thrown in jail on trumped up charges.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Time to claw things back and give Chavez a chance to reform the country, like a majority of the population say they want.</p></div><p>Disclaimer on my stance on the government: Chavez has been in power for 10 years. He's changed the constitution multiple times, tried out different reforms all while oil was at an all time high and money was flowing into the country like crazy. He's had a BIG chance to reform the country and It's all been a failure. Lately all he's doing helps the government more than the people.</p><p>Hell, we even have rolling blackouts now, when  we used to export electricity. This is a situation that was predicted over a year ago, but 10 years of ignoring the power infrastructure have left its mark, and yet he blames it all on el ni&#241;o and the previous governments.</p><p>If you want change, don't prop up the same old government. If you're a socialist, elect a different socialist president. If you're a capitalist, same thing. There's no reason to maintain Chavez in power for another 50 years.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the venezuelan government has been trying to close Globovision for a while now , and one of the biggest problems is that they have NEVER advocated any kind of violence against the government , be it the president or anyone else .
It would cost too much international support for them to close another oposition TV station without a good reason.The other two big independent TV stations have been scared off enough that they do n't dare play anything political .
The only other one is VTV , the government 's channel ( and I do n't mean Bush ' Fox , I mean wholly owned by the government ) .
They do play show like " La Hojilla " ( The razor blade ) that openly advocated a few times killing oposition as a legitimate means of defending " the revolution " .Not to mention Chavez himself sometimes applauding relatively violent acts in his defense.Now , I wo n't say that Globovision is fair and balanced , but as far as I can tell they never outright lied about anything .
I understand Fox news to be more radical and distorting than Globovision and yet I do n't see the Fox owners being hounded for years and finally arrested like Zuloaga.FWIW , it seems Zuloaga was released after appearing in court [ noticias24.com ] , with a prohibition against leaving the country .
We 'll see whether he 'll fold and close Globovision or be thrown in jail on trumped up charges.Time to claw things back and give Chavez a chance to reform the country , like a majority of the population say they want.Disclaimer on my stance on the government : Chavez has been in power for 10 years .
He 's changed the constitution multiple times , tried out different reforms all while oil was at an all time high and money was flowing into the country like crazy .
He 's had a BIG chance to reform the country and It 's all been a failure .
Lately all he 's doing helps the government more than the people.Hell , we even have rolling blackouts now , when we used to export electricity .
This is a situation that was predicted over a year ago , but 10 years of ignoring the power infrastructure have left its mark , and yet he blames it all on el ni   o and the previous governments.If you want change , do n't prop up the same old government .
If you 're a socialist , elect a different socialist president .
If you 're a capitalist , same thing .
There 's no reason to maintain Chavez in power for another 50 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the venezuelan government has been trying to close Globovision for a while now, and one of the biggest problems is that they have NEVER advocated any kind of violence against the government, be it the president or anyone else.
It would cost too much international support for them to close another oposition  TV station without a good reason.The other two big independent TV stations have been scared off enough that they don't dare play anything political.
The only other one is VTV, the government's channel (and I don't mean Bush' Fox, I mean wholly owned by the government).
They do play show like "La Hojilla" (The razor blade) that openly advocated a few times killing oposition as a legitimate means of defending "the revolution".Not to mention Chavez himself sometimes applauding relatively violent acts in his defense.Now, I won't say that  Globovision is fair and balanced, but as far as I can tell they never outright lied about anything.
I understand Fox news to be more radical and distorting than Globovision and yet I don't see the Fox owners being hounded for years and finally arrested like Zuloaga.FWIW, it seems Zuloaga was released after appearing in court [noticias24.com], with a prohibition against leaving the country.
We'll see whether he'll fold and close Globovision or be thrown in jail on trumped up charges.Time to claw things back and give Chavez a chance to reform the country, like a majority of the population say they want.Disclaimer on my stance on the government: Chavez has been in power for 10 years.
He's changed the constitution multiple times, tried out different reforms all while oil was at an all time high and money was flowing into the country like crazy.
He's had a BIG chance to reform the country and It's all been a failure.
Lately all he's doing helps the government more than the people.Hell, we even have rolling blackouts now, when  we used to export electricity.
This is a situation that was predicted over a year ago, but 10 years of ignoring the power infrastructure have left its mark, and yet he blames it all on el niño and the previous governments.If you want change, don't prop up the same old government.
If you're a socialist, elect a different socialist president.
If you're a capitalist, same thing.
There's no reason to maintain Chavez in power for another 50 years.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619760</id>
	<title>Lordy lord, it's not that bad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269521940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These TV station smart-asses have been openly advocating for Chavez to be assassinated. I'm sure if some 'independent' TV station started calling for President Obama's assassination, there would be some arrests over that too.</p><p>The problem is that Chavez is trying to implement some real social reforms, but the capitalists would very much prefer that not to happen. One of their weapons in the battle is these 'independent' TV stations, that are about as independent as Fox News.</p><p>Good riddance I say. There are enough far-right freak-shows with access to mass media already. Time to claw things back and give Chavez a chance to reform the country, like a majority of the population say they want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These TV station smart-asses have been openly advocating for Chavez to be assassinated .
I 'm sure if some 'independent ' TV station started calling for President Obama 's assassination , there would be some arrests over that too.The problem is that Chavez is trying to implement some real social reforms , but the capitalists would very much prefer that not to happen .
One of their weapons in the battle is these 'independent ' TV stations , that are about as independent as Fox News.Good riddance I say .
There are enough far-right freak-shows with access to mass media already .
Time to claw things back and give Chavez a chance to reform the country , like a majority of the population say they want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These TV station smart-asses have been openly advocating for Chavez to be assassinated.
I'm sure if some 'independent' TV station started calling for President Obama's assassination, there would be some arrests over that too.The problem is that Chavez is trying to implement some real social reforms, but the capitalists would very much prefer that not to happen.
One of their weapons in the battle is these 'independent' TV stations, that are about as independent as Fox News.Good riddance I say.
There are enough far-right freak-shows with access to mass media already.
Time to claw things back and give Chavez a chance to reform the country, like a majority of the population say they want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31623156</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>ultranova</author>
	<datestamp>1269596760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I mean, suppose I got to be a dictator, would I become a monster?</p></div> </blockquote><p>Very likely yes.</p><blockquote><div><p>What would be needed to make me nutjob, a coup attempt, an assassination attempt or what?</p></div> </blockquote><p>The realization that you can do anything without consequences will do it for some. For others, it's the fact that they <em>could</em>, which drives others away. Human beings are social animals and need peer pressure to act as corrective feedback. A dictator can, if he will, ignore that feedback, or tune it to more of his liking. The end of that road is living in your own fantasy world with no one daring to tell you the truth; the Emperor truly believes himself to be robed and kills anyone who dares to disagree.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , suppose I got to be a dictator , would I become a monster ?
Very likely yes.What would be needed to make me nutjob , a coup attempt , an assassination attempt or what ?
The realization that you can do anything without consequences will do it for some .
For others , it 's the fact that they could , which drives others away .
Human beings are social animals and need peer pressure to act as corrective feedback .
A dictator can , if he will , ignore that feedback , or tune it to more of his liking .
The end of that road is living in your own fantasy world with no one daring to tell you the truth ; the Emperor truly believes himself to be robed and kills anyone who dares to disagree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, suppose I got to be a dictator, would I become a monster?
Very likely yes.What would be needed to make me nutjob, a coup attempt, an assassination attempt or what?
The realization that you can do anything without consequences will do it for some.
For others, it's the fact that they could, which drives others away.
Human beings are social animals and need peer pressure to act as corrective feedback.
A dictator can, if he will, ignore that feedback, or tune it to more of his liking.
The end of that road is living in your own fantasy world with no one daring to tell you the truth; the Emperor truly believes himself to be robed and kills anyone who dares to disagree.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619628</id>
	<title>Re:I'm still appalled that anyone defends Chavez</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269521280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>having lived behind the iron courtain, I could say that socialism or communism leaders never really cared about own ideology. What was important was that the masses should believe in ideology and obey. Have you read the G. Orwell's "Animal Farm" ? Shows nicely how this happened.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>having lived behind the iron courtain , I could say that socialism or communism leaders never really cared about own ideology .
What was important was that the masses should believe in ideology and obey .
Have you read the G. Orwell 's " Animal Farm " ?
Shows nicely how this happened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>having lived behind the iron courtain, I could say that socialism or communism leaders never really cared about own ideology.
What was important was that the masses should believe in ideology and obey.
Have you read the G. Orwell's "Animal Farm" ?
Shows nicely how this happened.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620370</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>CorporateSuit</author>
	<datestamp>1269525420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Its only gotten worse as Chavez has gotten... umm... how to put it nicely... battier? Its a shame, he was a cool leader when he began; and had a number of revolutionary ideas</p></div><p>The same has been said about Mugabe.<br> <br>
I suppose it's as Buddha said: you either die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its only gotten worse as Chavez has gotten... umm... how to put it nicely... battier ? Its a shame , he was a cool leader when he began ; and had a number of revolutionary ideasThe same has been said about Mugabe .
I suppose it 's as Buddha said : you either die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Its only gotten worse as Chavez has gotten... umm... how to put it nicely... battier? Its a shame, he was a cool leader when he began; and had a number of revolutionary ideasThe same has been said about Mugabe.
I suppose it's as Buddha said: you either die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619950</id>
	<title>Zealots</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269522960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Venezuela would be a paradise for fucking socialist linux zealots. Long live for this troll...!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Venezuela would be a paradise for fucking socialist linux zealots .
Long live for this troll... ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Venezuela would be a paradise for fucking socialist linux zealots.
Long live for this troll...!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621514</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269534060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just a correction: Venezuela's oil company had been owned by the State for several decades now and it had notable Venezuelan experts. What Chavez did was fire them all (literally, all of them) because they were with the opossition, and this gradually brought the collapse of the oil company. Foreign companies were more than eager to work with Chavez as long as they get paid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a correction : Venezuela 's oil company had been owned by the State for several decades now and it had notable Venezuelan experts .
What Chavez did was fire them all ( literally , all of them ) because they were with the opossition , and this gradually brought the collapse of the oil company .
Foreign companies were more than eager to work with Chavez as long as they get paid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a correction: Venezuela's oil company had been owned by the State for several decades now and it had notable Venezuelan experts.
What Chavez did was fire them all (literally, all of them) because they were with the opossition, and this gradually brought the collapse of the oil company.
Foreign companies were more than eager to work with Chavez as long as they get paid.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620092</id>
	<title>Re:Lordy lord, it's not that bad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269523620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are a loon. Do you have any idea what is going on in Venezuela? Do you?! You are blind if you think what Chavez is doing at any level is "good".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are a loon .
Do you have any idea what is going on in Venezuela ?
Do you ? !
You are blind if you think what Chavez is doing at any level is " good " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are a loon.
Do you have any idea what is going on in Venezuela?
Do you?!
You are blind if you think what Chavez is doing at any level is "good".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619962</id>
	<title>Re:Lordy lord, it's not that bad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269523080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ahh yes, media reform as part of social reforms. Can't have that ugly capitalist controlled media getting in your way.</p><p>http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/03/24/steve-forbes-venezuela-hugo-chavez-media-robert-mcchesney-free-press/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ahh yes , media reform as part of social reforms .
Ca n't have that ugly capitalist controlled media getting in your way.http : //www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/03/24/steve-forbes-venezuela-hugo-chavez-media-robert-mcchesney-free-press/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahh yes, media reform as part of social reforms.
Can't have that ugly capitalist controlled media getting in your way.http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/03/24/steve-forbes-venezuela-hugo-chavez-media-robert-mcchesney-free-press/</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619506</id>
	<title>Chilling thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269520680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It disturbs me greatly that a man like this, and Fidel Castro regularly have been praising the direction our country is heading.  I hope this TV owner finds a way to get out of this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It disturbs me greatly that a man like this , and Fidel Castro regularly have been praising the direction our country is heading .
I hope this TV owner finds a way to get out of this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It disturbs me greatly that a man like this, and Fidel Castro regularly have been praising the direction our country is heading.
I hope this TV owner finds a way to get out of this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621540</id>
	<title>The president has a right to legal defense</title>
	<author>Paua Fritter</author>
	<datestamp>1269534240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Venezuelan president has a right a legal defense on unwarranted attacks on his reputation - if he is defamed then he can take the matter to court. This doesn't make him a dictator.</p><p>Zuloaga has a defense to the charges against him: if he can prove his statements were true, then he can get off. But if his allegations about Chavez are in fact just inflammatory lies, then he's in some serious legal shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Venezuelan president has a right a legal defense on unwarranted attacks on his reputation - if he is defamed then he can take the matter to court .
This does n't make him a dictator.Zuloaga has a defense to the charges against him : if he can prove his statements were true , then he can get off .
But if his allegations about Chavez are in fact just inflammatory lies , then he 's in some serious legal shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Venezuelan president has a right a legal defense on unwarranted attacks on his reputation - if he is defamed then he can take the matter to court.
This doesn't make him a dictator.Zuloaga has a defense to the charges against him: if he can prove his statements were true, then he can get off.
But if his allegations about Chavez are in fact just inflammatory lies, then he's in some serious legal shit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619642</id>
	<title>MSNBC Host: Time For "Socialism" In Talk Radio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269521340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/03/25/msnbc\_host\_time\_for\_socialism\_in\_talk\_radio.html" title="realclearpolitics.com" rel="nofollow">linky</a> [realclearpolitics.com]</p><p>Fairing everything is unnecessarily hard because the right wing still has air time.  A few more major policy enactments and they'll be ready to revisit the Fairness Doctrine in the US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>linky [ realclearpolitics.com ] Fairing everything is unnecessarily hard because the right wing still has air time .
A few more major policy enactments and they 'll be ready to revisit the Fairness Doctrine in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>linky [realclearpolitics.com]Fairing everything is unnecessarily hard because the right wing still has air time.
A few more major policy enactments and they'll be ready to revisit the Fairness Doctrine in the US.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621990</id>
	<title>Re:Because what he did is legal in the USA?</title>
	<author>jmorris42</author>
	<datestamp>1269538140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Nowhere in the world (including the USA) you can accuse anybody of mass killing people without presenting any proof and come out clean.</p><p>Unless you a member of the US House that is.  Congressman Murtha went to Hell never repenting his accusations of exactly that against the US Marine Corps even after they were proven false in court.</p><p>I will mostly pass on the ravings on MSNBC since you did add the qualifier of "major TV channel" and they don't meet that standard.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Nowhere in the world ( including the USA ) you can accuse anybody of mass killing people without presenting any proof and come out clean.Unless you a member of the US House that is .
Congressman Murtha went to Hell never repenting his accusations of exactly that against the US Marine Corps even after they were proven false in court.I will mostly pass on the ravings on MSNBC since you did add the qualifier of " major TV channel " and they do n't meet that standard .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Nowhere in the world (including the USA) you can accuse anybody of mass killing people without presenting any proof and come out clean.Unless you a member of the US House that is.
Congressman Murtha went to Hell never repenting his accusations of exactly that against the US Marine Corps even after they were proven false in court.I will mostly pass on the ravings on MSNBC since you did add the qualifier of "major TV channel" and they don't meet that standard.
:)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621040</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620862</id>
	<title>Re:Lordy lord, it's not that bad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269528600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best thing Chavez could do to defend this 'revolution' is to have the people elect his successor; but Putins Russia doesn't think it is worth the risk either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best thing Chavez could do to defend this 'revolution ' is to have the people elect his successor ; but Putins Russia does n't think it is worth the risk either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best thing Chavez could do to defend this 'revolution' is to have the people elect his successor; but Putins Russia doesn't think it is worth the risk either.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31627080</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>inthealpine</author>
	<datestamp>1269621480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Chavez uses Pablo Escobar tactics when it comes to the poor.  They are just a means to his absolute control.  Speech should be protected at all costs and anyone that works in the opposite direction of that goal has their own agenda.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chavez uses Pablo Escobar tactics when it comes to the poor .
They are just a means to his absolute control .
Speech should be protected at all costs and anyone that works in the opposite direction of that goal has their own agenda .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chavez uses Pablo Escobar tactics when it comes to the poor.
They are just a means to his absolute control.
Speech should be protected at all costs and anyone that works in the opposite direction of that goal has their own agenda.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620232</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619636</id>
	<title>Re:Chilling thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269521340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>They do that to piss off Joe Sixpack Americans. Way to fall for it...</htmltext>
<tokenext>They do that to piss off Joe Sixpack Americans .
Way to fall for it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They do that to piss off Joe Sixpack Americans.
Way to fall for it...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619506</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620088</id>
	<title>Re:Lordy lord, it's not that bad</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1269523620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm sure if some 'independent' TV station started calling for President Obama's assassination, there would be some arrests over that too.</p></div></blockquote><p>I take it you haven't watched Fox News very much.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure if some 'independent ' TV station started calling for President Obama 's assassination , there would be some arrests over that too.I take it you have n't watched Fox News very much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure if some 'independent' TV station started calling for President Obama's assassination, there would be some arrests over that too.I take it you haven't watched Fox News very much.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619760</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621782</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>jmorris42</author>
	<datestamp>1269535980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Actually, for a lot of Venezuelans, Chavez was the solution.</p><p>If Communism is the answer somebody asked a really stupid question.</p><p>Seriously, compare the lot of the average person there to things pre Chavez and ask if it is better?  More importantly, will it be better after another decade of this idiot's misrule?</p><p>So forget the more fuzzy question of whether they would have been better off just working towards establishing a better, more free government with the rule of law and some basic protections instead of falling for the tired socialist utopian siren song, because while difficult to 'prove' any sane person already knows the answer to it.</p><p>Personally I'd love to see, just once because a second wouldn't ever be needed, the US Govt ask the oil companies who got their assets nationalized by some commie thug if they are 'cool with that' and if they aren't (duh!) if they wouldn't mind if we denied the thug the fruits of his wickedness.  Then we airlift out the foreign workers and after giving the locals an hour bomb the living sh*t out of the oil fields.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Actually , for a lot of Venezuelans , Chavez was the solution.If Communism is the answer somebody asked a really stupid question.Seriously , compare the lot of the average person there to things pre Chavez and ask if it is better ?
More importantly , will it be better after another decade of this idiot 's misrule ? So forget the more fuzzy question of whether they would have been better off just working towards establishing a better , more free government with the rule of law and some basic protections instead of falling for the tired socialist utopian siren song , because while difficult to 'prove ' any sane person already knows the answer to it.Personally I 'd love to see , just once because a second would n't ever be needed , the US Govt ask the oil companies who got their assets nationalized by some commie thug if they are 'cool with that ' and if they are n't ( duh !
) if they would n't mind if we denied the thug the fruits of his wickedness .
Then we airlift out the foreign workers and after giving the locals an hour bomb the living sh * t out of the oil fields .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Actually, for a lot of Venezuelans, Chavez was the solution.If Communism is the answer somebody asked a really stupid question.Seriously, compare the lot of the average person there to things pre Chavez and ask if it is better?
More importantly, will it be better after another decade of this idiot's misrule?So forget the more fuzzy question of whether they would have been better off just working towards establishing a better, more free government with the rule of law and some basic protections instead of falling for the tired socialist utopian siren song, because while difficult to 'prove' any sane person already knows the answer to it.Personally I'd love to see, just once because a second wouldn't ever be needed, the US Govt ask the oil companies who got their assets nationalized by some commie thug if they are 'cool with that' and if they aren't (duh!
) if they wouldn't mind if we denied the thug the fruits of his wickedness.
Then we airlift out the foreign workers and after giving the locals an hour bomb the living sh*t out of the oil fields.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620182</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620982</id>
	<title>Do alot of people have satellite tv from out side?</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1269529380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do alot of people have satellite tv from out side vneeuela?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do alot of people have satellite tv from out side vneeuela ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do alot of people have satellite tv from out side vneeuela?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619552</id>
	<title>First step in gaining complete control</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1269520800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Control the information.</p><p>You can own the media markets outright (Italy's Berlusconi), or, as Chavez and countless others before him did, simply arrest them.</p><p>Fat lotta good the UN does on either account...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Control the information.You can own the media markets outright ( Italy 's Berlusconi ) , or , as Chavez and countless others before him did , simply arrest them.Fat lotta good the UN does on either account.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Control the information.You can own the media markets outright (Italy's Berlusconi), or, as Chavez and countless others before him did, simply arrest them.Fat lotta good the UN does on either account...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619598</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>Kvasio</author>
	<datestamp>1269521100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this only makes Hugo a step closer to his role model - president Lukaszenko of Belarus. He also closed all independent media - few years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this only makes Hugo a step closer to his role model - president Lukaszenko of Belarus .
He also closed all independent media - few years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this only makes Hugo a step closer to his role model - president Lukaszenko of Belarus.
He also closed all independent media - few years ago.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619924</id>
	<title>Put down your bong....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269522780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So where does eliminating term limits so he will be in power forever fit into those "real social reforms"?  I think you should move there to help him out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So where does eliminating term limits so he will be in power forever fit into those " real social reforms " ?
I think you should move there to help him out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So where does eliminating term limits so he will be in power forever fit into those "real social reforms"?
I think you should move there to help him out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619760</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31624832</id>
	<title>Re:What has Slashdot to do with this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269612240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My brother-in-law's wife had to return to Venezuela to renew her visa after being away for several years.  She says it has gone way downhill and that Chavez is driving the train.  She wanted it to be better than the reports in the U.S. but after being there for months it is very clear to her.  There is rationing of food in the capitol and general unease at whether or not one could be arrested just because they voted against Chavez.  Not everyone is "ill-informed" here in the U.S., Artemis3.</p><p>Posting this anonymously as she still has family there and she is still in the country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My brother-in-law 's wife had to return to Venezuela to renew her visa after being away for several years .
She says it has gone way downhill and that Chavez is driving the train .
She wanted it to be better than the reports in the U.S. but after being there for months it is very clear to her .
There is rationing of food in the capitol and general unease at whether or not one could be arrested just because they voted against Chavez .
Not everyone is " ill-informed " here in the U.S. , Artemis3.Posting this anonymously as she still has family there and she is still in the country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My brother-in-law's wife had to return to Venezuela to renew her visa after being away for several years.
She says it has gone way downhill and that Chavez is driving the train.
She wanted it to be better than the reports in the U.S. but after being there for months it is very clear to her.
There is rationing of food in the capitol and general unease at whether or not one could be arrested just because they voted against Chavez.
Not everyone is "ill-informed" here in the U.S., Artemis3.Posting this anonymously as she still has family there and she is still in the country.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31622410</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31624878</id>
	<title>This's what the repubs are trying to save us from!</title>
	<author>BubbaDave</author>
	<datestamp>1269612420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See? See? This is what happens.<br>This is what the republicans and tea partiers are trying to save us from.</p><p>(Your sarcasm meter isn't pegged? Fix the damn thing!)</p><p>Dave</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See ?
See ? This is what happens.This is what the republicans and tea partiers are trying to save us from .
( Your sarcasm meter is n't pegged ?
Fix the damn thing !
) Dave</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See?
See? This is what happens.This is what the republicans and tea partiers are trying to save us from.
(Your sarcasm meter isn't pegged?
Fix the damn thing!
)Dave</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621026</id>
	<title>Re:Lordy lord, it's not that bad</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1269529860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>These TV station smart-asses have been openly advocating for Chavez to be assassinated. I'm sure if some 'independent' TV station started calling for President Obama's assassination, there would be some arrests over that too.</p><p>The problem is that Chavez is trying to implement some real social reforms, but the capitalists would very much prefer that not to happen. One of their weapons in the battle is these 'independent' TV stations, that are about as independent as Fox News.</p><p>Good riddance I say. There are enough far-right freak-shows with access to mass media already. Time to claw things back and give Chavez a chance to reform the country, like a majority of the population say they want.</p></div><p>You mean the way that the people who called for George W. Bush's assassination were arrested? Oh that's right, they weren't. Of course that was different because Bush was a bad guy.<br>You appear to be saying that it is ok for Chavez to arrest these guys because you don't like what they were saying.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>These TV station smart-asses have been openly advocating for Chavez to be assassinated .
I 'm sure if some 'independent ' TV station started calling for President Obama 's assassination , there would be some arrests over that too.The problem is that Chavez is trying to implement some real social reforms , but the capitalists would very much prefer that not to happen .
One of their weapons in the battle is these 'independent ' TV stations , that are about as independent as Fox News.Good riddance I say .
There are enough far-right freak-shows with access to mass media already .
Time to claw things back and give Chavez a chance to reform the country , like a majority of the population say they want.You mean the way that the people who called for George W. Bush 's assassination were arrested ?
Oh that 's right , they were n't .
Of course that was different because Bush was a bad guy.You appear to be saying that it is ok for Chavez to arrest these guys because you do n't like what they were saying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These TV station smart-asses have been openly advocating for Chavez to be assassinated.
I'm sure if some 'independent' TV station started calling for President Obama's assassination, there would be some arrests over that too.The problem is that Chavez is trying to implement some real social reforms, but the capitalists would very much prefer that not to happen.
One of their weapons in the battle is these 'independent' TV stations, that are about as independent as Fox News.Good riddance I say.
There are enough far-right freak-shows with access to mass media already.
Time to claw things back and give Chavez a chance to reform the country, like a majority of the population say they want.You mean the way that the people who called for George W. Bush's assassination were arrested?
Oh that's right, they weren't.
Of course that was different because Bush was a bad guy.You appear to be saying that it is ok for Chavez to arrest these guys because you don't like what they were saying.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619760</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31621698</id>
	<title>When you code FLOSS, you code with Chevez!</title>
	<author>AlexLibman</author>
	<datestamp>1269535080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Join the <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/subscriptionschart.aspx" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Developer NetWork</a> [microsoft.com] today!</p><p><a href="http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=19771" title="freestateproject.org" rel="nofollow">Seriously</a> [freestateproject.org].</p><p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Ride\_with\_hitler.jpg" title="wikimedia.org" rel="nofollow">Or not</a> [wikimedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Join the Microsoft Developer NetWork [ microsoft.com ] today ! Seriously [ freestateproject.org ] .Or not [ wikimedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Join the Microsoft Developer NetWork [microsoft.com] today!Seriously [freestateproject.org].Or not [wikimedia.org].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31622506</id>
	<title>Go there, Fox News!</title>
	<author>Katchu</author>
	<datestamp>1269544740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If Fox News was worth it's salt, it would set up shop in Venezuela. First, though, they need to know that the leader is "HUGO" (not "CESAR") Chavez.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If Fox News was worth it 's salt , it would set up shop in Venezuela .
First , though , they need to know that the leader is " HUGO " ( not " CESAR " ) Chavez .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Fox News was worth it's salt, it would set up shop in Venezuela.
First, though, they need to know that the leader is "HUGO" (not "CESAR") Chavez.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620744</id>
	<title>Re:Chilling thought</title>
	<author>coaxial</author>
	<datestamp>1269527940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Castro is as irrelevant as ever.  Seriously.  If you're dusting off the boogeyman of our <strong>grandparents</strong>, you are irrelevant as well.  Oh!  Have we all forgotten the gulags that Social Security and Amtrak ushered in?</p><p>So what if some third world hasbeen has praised us?  So has everyone else in the entire rest of the world,  <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2109242/" title="slate.com" rel="nofollow">lest we forget</a> [slate.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Castro is as irrelevant as ever .
Seriously. If you 're dusting off the boogeyman of our grandparents , you are irrelevant as well .
Oh ! Have we all forgotten the gulags that Social Security and Amtrak ushered in ? So what if some third world hasbeen has praised us ?
So has everyone else in the entire rest of the world , lest we forget [ slate.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Castro is as irrelevant as ever.
Seriously.  If you're dusting off the boogeyman of our grandparents, you are irrelevant as well.
Oh!  Have we all forgotten the gulags that Social Security and Amtrak ushered in?So what if some third world hasbeen has praised us?
So has everyone else in the entire rest of the world,  lest we forget [slate.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31619506</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31624618</id>
	<title>Re:in before all the ethnic chauvinists</title>
	<author>professionalfurryele</author>
	<datestamp>1269610860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The last CIA inspired coup in Venezuela was less than 10 years ago. Chavez is a douche bag but if you want people to stop saying "yeah but the usa..." the the USA is going to need to keep the hell out of the internal affairs of other countries. Heck Chavez has been looking for an excuse to close these guys down for years now in part because of the complicity of the media in the attempted coup against him. The CIA handed Chavez an excuse to restrict media freedom on a platter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The last CIA inspired coup in Venezuela was less than 10 years ago .
Chavez is a douche bag but if you want people to stop saying " yeah but the usa... " the the USA is going to need to keep the hell out of the internal affairs of other countries .
Heck Chavez has been looking for an excuse to close these guys down for years now in part because of the complicity of the media in the attempted coup against him .
The CIA handed Chavez an excuse to restrict media freedom on a platter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last CIA inspired coup in Venezuela was less than 10 years ago.
Chavez is a douche bag but if you want people to stop saying "yeah but the usa..." the the USA is going to need to keep the hell out of the internal affairs of other countries.
Heck Chavez has been looking for an excuse to close these guys down for years now in part because of the complicity of the media in the attempted coup against him.
The CIA handed Chavez an excuse to restrict media freedom on a platter.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620506</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620038</id>
	<title>Re:Boy do I feel stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269523440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Be easy on the US politicians.  They're still learning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Be easy on the US politicians .
They 're still learning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be easy on the US politicians.
They're still learning.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31623568</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>CharlyFoxtrot</author>
	<datestamp>1269601200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never believed that. Think about it: the kind of person who is narcissistic enough to think himself deserving of such power, driven enough to pursue it and cunning enough to actually get it is probably already psychotic or psychopathic or at least well on the way after the experiences needed to become absolute ruler. Power may corrupt, but I see more evidence that power attracts the corrupted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never believed that .
Think about it : the kind of person who is narcissistic enough to think himself deserving of such power , driven enough to pursue it and cunning enough to actually get it is probably already psychotic or psychopathic or at least well on the way after the experiences needed to become absolute ruler .
Power may corrupt , but I see more evidence that power attracts the corrupted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never believed that.
Think about it: the kind of person who is narcissistic enough to think himself deserving of such power, driven enough to pursue it and cunning enough to actually get it is probably already psychotic or psychopathic or at least well on the way after the experiences needed to become absolute ruler.
Power may corrupt, but I see more evidence that power attracts the corrupted.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620232</id>
	<title>Re:Uh oh</title>
	<author>allcoolnameswheretak</author>
	<datestamp>1269524520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, Chavez has done quite alot to give a voice and financial help to the struggling poor and indigenous people of Venezuela. This doesn't excuse his campaign against free speach and democracy in his country, but you have to understand the situation on the ground there. Under previous regimes only the rich, white upper class had anything to say. Poor people were working under very bad conditions and had noone to speak for them. Then there's the fact that the U.S. staged a coup attempt against Chavez shortly after he was democratically voted into power.</p><p>So what Chavez is doing lately certainly isn't the right thing, but I can understand why he is prejudiced and very suspicious of the establishment and the rich folks controlling the media in his country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , Chavez has done quite alot to give a voice and financial help to the struggling poor and indigenous people of Venezuela .
This does n't excuse his campaign against free speach and democracy in his country , but you have to understand the situation on the ground there .
Under previous regimes only the rich , white upper class had anything to say .
Poor people were working under very bad conditions and had noone to speak for them .
Then there 's the fact that the U.S. staged a coup attempt against Chavez shortly after he was democratically voted into power.So what Chavez is doing lately certainly is n't the right thing , but I can understand why he is prejudiced and very suspicious of the establishment and the rich folks controlling the media in his country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, Chavez has done quite alot to give a voice and financial help to the struggling poor and indigenous people of Venezuela.
This doesn't excuse his campaign against free speach and democracy in his country, but you have to understand the situation on the ground there.
Under previous regimes only the rich, white upper class had anything to say.
Poor people were working under very bad conditions and had noone to speak for them.
Then there's the fact that the U.S. staged a coup attempt against Chavez shortly after he was democratically voted into power.So what Chavez is doing lately certainly isn't the right thing, but I can understand why he is prejudiced and very suspicious of the establishment and the rich folks controlling the media in his country.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_231232.31620014</id>
	<title>I have to wonder</title>
	<author>Shivetya</author>
	<datestamp>1269523320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if we delude ourselves in thinking the other side of the iron curtain is any better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if we delude ourselves in thinking the other side of the iron curtain is any better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if we delude ourselves in thinking the other side of the iron curtain is any better.</sentencetext>
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