<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_25_0318219</id>
	<title>Google Wants To Be Your Electricity Meter</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1269518220000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Google has teamed up with microcontroller maker Microchip to develop an API for a piece of software called Google PowerMeter, according this EE Times story. Why? Because Google wants to <a href="http://www.eetimes.com/224200147">host all the details of the electricity and other energy consumption of people's homes</a>. It wants to do this so that it can show people on their iGoogle homepages when and where they are consuming energy so that they can start to reduce their power consumption. The good news is that it is an opt-in service and free so you don't have to make Google your energy-monitor if you don't want to do so."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Google has teamed up with microcontroller maker Microchip to develop an API for a piece of software called Google PowerMeter , according this EE Times story .
Why ? Because Google wants to host all the details of the electricity and other energy consumption of people 's homes .
It wants to do this so that it can show people on their iGoogle homepages when and where they are consuming energy so that they can start to reduce their power consumption .
The good news is that it is an opt-in service and free so you do n't have to make Google your energy-monitor if you do n't want to do so .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Google has teamed up with microcontroller maker Microchip to develop an API for a piece of software called Google PowerMeter, according this EE Times story.
Why? Because Google wants to host all the details of the electricity and other energy consumption of people's homes.
It wants to do this so that it can show people on their iGoogle homepages when and where they are consuming energy so that they can start to reduce their power consumption.
The good news is that it is an opt-in service and free so you don't have to make Google your energy-monitor if you don't want to do so.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608990</id>
	<title>Google makes it sound cute</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269523260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To see what it looks like in plain english try the Australian version of this<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:<br>
<a href="http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/etsa-plans-to-take-control/story-e6freo8c-1225697720719" title="adelaidenow.com.au">http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/etsa-plans-to-take-control/story-e6freo8c-1225697720719</a> [adelaidenow.com.au] <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>.."added that people who did not take this option might find they would lose all power when power demand was running at peak levels."<br>
Why invest in fancy new power generation when you can ration a rust belt power network and tame the end user with gift of lower cost if they get chipped.<br>
Do you want Google and Enron ver 2.0 telling you when you can run your tv or cool your home?</htmltext>
<tokenext>To see what it looks like in plain english try the Australian version of this : http : //www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/etsa-plans-to-take-control/story-e6freo8c-1225697720719 [ adelaidenow.com.au ] .. " added that people who did not take this option might find they would lose all power when power demand was running at peak levels .
" Why invest in fancy new power generation when you can ration a rust belt power network and tame the end user with gift of lower cost if they get chipped .
Do you want Google and Enron ver 2.0 telling you when you can run your tv or cool your home ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To see what it looks like in plain english try the Australian version of this :
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/etsa-plans-to-take-control/story-e6freo8c-1225697720719 [adelaidenow.com.au]  .."added that people who did not take this option might find they would lose all power when power demand was running at peak levels.
"
Why invest in fancy new power generation when you can ration a rust belt power network and tame the end user with gift of lower cost if they get chipped.
Do you want Google and Enron ver 2.0 telling you when you can run your tv or cool your home?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608836</id>
	<title>Microsoft too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269522120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.microsoft-hohm.com/" title="microsoft-hohm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft-hohm.com/</a> [microsoft-hohm.com]</p><p>Who's following who?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.microsoft-hohm.com/ [ microsoft-hohm.com ] Who 's following who ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.microsoft-hohm.com/ [microsoft-hohm.com]Who's following who?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31616236</id>
	<title>Do it yourself with Tweet-a-Watt</title>
	<author>Qubit</author>
	<datestamp>1269549960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.ladyada.net/make/tweetawatt/" title="ladyada.net">http://www.ladyada.net/make/tweetawatt/</a> [ladyada.net]</p><p>"My plan is to have each room connected to a 6-outlet power strip which powers all the devices in that room (each kill-a-watt can measure up to 15A, or about 1800W, which is plenty!). That way I can track room-by-room usage, for example "kitchen", "bedroom", "workbench", and "office"."</p><p>Get a kit with the guts of the project for $90 here (currently on back-order):<br><a href="http://www.adafruit.com/index.php?main\_page=product\_info&amp;cPath=32&amp;products\_id=143" title="adafruit.com">http://www.adafruit.com/index.php?main\_page=product\_info&amp;cPath=32&amp;products\_id=143</a> [adafruit.com]</p><p>Then you'll need a Kill-a-Watt meter (Get one from Amazon.com w/free shipping for $20).</p><p>You can have it upload data to pretty much any web service you want -- or just keep it in a local database, if that's how you roll.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.ladyada.net/make/tweetawatt/ [ ladyada.net ] " My plan is to have each room connected to a 6-outlet power strip which powers all the devices in that room ( each kill-a-watt can measure up to 15A , or about 1800W , which is plenty ! ) .
That way I can track room-by-room usage , for example " kitchen " , " bedroom " , " workbench " , and " office " .
" Get a kit with the guts of the project for $ 90 here ( currently on back-order ) : http : //www.adafruit.com/index.php ? main \ _page = product \ _info&amp;cPath = 32&amp;products \ _id = 143 [ adafruit.com ] Then you 'll need a Kill-a-Watt meter ( Get one from Amazon.com w/free shipping for $ 20 ) .You can have it upload data to pretty much any web service you want -- or just keep it in a local database , if that 's how you roll .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.ladyada.net/make/tweetawatt/ [ladyada.net]"My plan is to have each room connected to a 6-outlet power strip which powers all the devices in that room (each kill-a-watt can measure up to 15A, or about 1800W, which is plenty!).
That way I can track room-by-room usage, for example "kitchen", "bedroom", "workbench", and "office".
"Get a kit with the guts of the project for $90 here (currently on back-order):http://www.adafruit.com/index.php?main\_page=product\_info&amp;cPath=32&amp;products\_id=143 [adafruit.com]Then you'll need a Kill-a-Watt meter (Get one from Amazon.com w/free shipping for $20).You can have it upload data to pretty much any web service you want -- or just keep it in a local database, if that's how you roll.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609498</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong wrong wrong</title>
	<author>gtbritishskull</author>
	<datestamp>1269526620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google is an advertising company that maintains its audience by providing a service (a search engine).  In case you haven't noticed, Google also provides many other services that allow them to maintain their audience (gmail, wave, voice, ect).  This is just another service they are providing that will allow them to get a bigger audience.  It will also let them target an audience (environmental people) which means the worth of their advertising space goes up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google is an advertising company that maintains its audience by providing a service ( a search engine ) .
In case you have n't noticed , Google also provides many other services that allow them to maintain their audience ( gmail , wave , voice , ect ) .
This is just another service they are providing that will allow them to get a bigger audience .
It will also let them target an audience ( environmental people ) which means the worth of their advertising space goes up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google is an advertising company that maintains its audience by providing a service (a search engine).
In case you haven't noticed, Google also provides many other services that allow them to maintain their audience (gmail, wave, voice, ect).
This is just another service they are providing that will allow them to get a bigger audience.
It will also let them target an audience (environmental people) which means the worth of their advertising space goes up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608994</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31617054</id>
	<title>Re:Want to check your consumption?</title>
	<author>Darinbob</author>
	<datestamp>1269509340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But if you want to see more detailed usage, it can get pretty annoying running outside in the rain with a flashlight to keep logging new data every few minutes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But if you want to see more detailed usage , it can get pretty annoying running outside in the rain with a flashlight to keep logging new data every few minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if you want to see more detailed usage, it can get pretty annoying running outside in the rain with a flashlight to keep logging new data every few minutes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608926</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609366</id>
	<title>Re:skeptical</title>
	<author>18r18r13m</author>
	<datestamp>1269525780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't the government to be able to shut off my power because they say I am using too much.  Yep Conspiracy theory, however it has already been proposed in California with smart thermostats.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't the government to be able to shut off my power because they say I am using too much .
Yep Conspiracy theory , however it has already been proposed in California with smart thermostats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't the government to be able to shut off my power because they say I am using too much.
Yep Conspiracy theory, however it has already been proposed in California with smart thermostats.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609152</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608938</id>
	<title>If we sign up, can we see Google's energy data?</title>
	<author>codeAlDente</author>
	<datestamp>1269522900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, how much energy do they use? Why won't they tell us? Sounds evil.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , how much energy do they use ?
Why wo n't they tell us ?
Sounds evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, how much energy do they use?
Why won't they tell us?
Sounds evil.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609474</id>
	<title>Googleborg!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269526500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Resistance is futile. You will be assimigoogled.</p><p>A new service soon! Electrad - send your ads to your customers directly through the electricity grid! Only through Google!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Resistance is futile .
You will be assimigoogled.A new service soon !
Electrad - send your ads to your customers directly through the electricity grid !
Only through Google !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Resistance is futile.
You will be assimigoogled.A new service soon!
Electrad - send your ads to your customers directly through the electricity grid!
Only through Google!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31621638</id>
	<title>The folks at Google have gotten so caught-up...</title>
	<author>hallux.sinister</author>
	<datestamp>1269534720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>in whether or not the could, that they didn't consider whether or not they should... consequently, Google begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware  at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug...
<br>
Google:  where your privacy went to die.</htmltext>
<tokenext>in whether or not the could , that they did n't consider whether or not they should... consequently , Google begins to learn at a geometric rate .
It becomes self-aware at 2 : 14 a.m. Eastern time , August 29th .
In a panic , they try to pull the plug.. . Google : where your privacy went to die .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in whether or not the could, that they didn't consider whether or not they should... consequently, Google begins to learn at a geometric rate.
It becomes self-aware  at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th.
In a panic, they try to pull the plug...

Google:  where your privacy went to die.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31611756</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong wrong wrong</title>
	<author>D Ninja</author>
	<datestamp>1269535860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong. Google is an advertising company. How the heck is an advertising company doing this?</p></div><p>Hate to break it to you, but most companies (of any size) do not just do one thing.  Google is <i>primarily</i> an advertising company, but they do a lot more.  And, if you think this is bad, don't go reading about PepsiCo (food), Disney (entertainment), Exxon (oil), or any other companies that you may think have only one market.  You're in for a shock.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong , wrong , a thousand times wrong .
Google is an advertising company .
How the heck is an advertising company doing this ? Hate to break it to you , but most companies ( of any size ) do not just do one thing .
Google is primarily an advertising company , but they do a lot more .
And , if you think this is bad , do n't go reading about PepsiCo ( food ) , Disney ( entertainment ) , Exxon ( oil ) , or any other companies that you may think have only one market .
You 're in for a shock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong.
Google is an advertising company.
How the heck is an advertising company doing this?Hate to break it to you, but most companies (of any size) do not just do one thing.
Google is primarily an advertising company, but they do a lot more.
And, if you think this is bad, don't go reading about PepsiCo (food), Disney (entertainment), Exxon (oil), or any other companies that you may think have only one market.
You're in for a shock.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608994</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609722</id>
	<title>Re:skeptical</title>
	<author>Nyder</author>
	<datestamp>1269527700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Am I the only one who is skeptical of these smart meter devices? I don't want hackers to be shut off my power or anything else.</p></div><p>Why would a hacker waste his time turning your power off?</p><p>no, what you are afraid of is some script kiddy, or someone who hates you taht knows how to use google.</p><p>thats how you'll lose your power.</p><p>the hackers are too busy hacking to give a fuck about you and the others who don't know what a hacker is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one who is skeptical of these smart meter devices ?
I do n't want hackers to be shut off my power or anything else.Why would a hacker waste his time turning your power off ? no , what you are afraid of is some script kiddy , or someone who hates you taht knows how to use google.thats how you 'll lose your power.the hackers are too busy hacking to give a fuck about you and the others who do n't know what a hacker is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one who is skeptical of these smart meter devices?
I don't want hackers to be shut off my power or anything else.Why would a hacker waste his time turning your power off?no, what you are afraid of is some script kiddy, or someone who hates you taht knows how to use google.thats how you'll lose your power.the hackers are too busy hacking to give a fuck about you and the others who don't know what a hacker is.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609152</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608840</id>
	<title>Soon - Google wants to be your valentine -</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269522120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>with, Google Valentine (TM)</p><p>at this rate, we will come face to face with google apps even we go to take a dump in the loo someday<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..... "Google wants to dump with you - Google Shit (TM)"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>with , Google Valentine ( TM ) at this rate , we will come face to face with google apps even we go to take a dump in the loo someday ..... " Google wants to dump with you - Google Shit ( TM ) "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with, Google Valentine (TM)at this rate, we will come face to face with google apps even we go to take a dump in the loo someday ..... "Google wants to dump with you - Google Shit (TM)"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609712</id>
	<title>OLD NEWS</title>
	<author>Logical Zebra</author>
	<datestamp>1269527640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, this is old news.  Seriously, this <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/technology/10iht-10grid.20066587.html?\_r=1" title="nytimes.com">was discussed over a year ago</a> [nytimes.com].  In fact, I submitted this story to Slashdot way back then, but it was rejected.  No Slashdot love for the Zebra.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , this is old news .
Seriously , this was discussed over a year ago [ nytimes.com ] .
In fact , I submitted this story to Slashdot way back then , but it was rejected .
No Slashdot love for the Zebra .
: - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, this is old news.
Seriously, this was discussed over a year ago [nytimes.com].
In fact, I submitted this story to Slashdot way back then, but it was rejected.
No Slashdot love for the Zebra.
:-(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609412</id>
	<title>Re:Blah blah blah</title>
	<author>Andy Dodd</author>
	<datestamp>1269526140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[citation needed]</p><p>You get charged for the energy you use, period.</p><p>There may be EXTRA surcharges for unbalanced loading between phases, and for excessively reactive or inductive loads, but you don't get free electricity by drawing a balanced load.</p><p>Note:  Penalties on uneven/reactive loading of the grid are usually not assessed against home users, just large commercial facilities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>[ citation needed ] You get charged for the energy you use , period.There may be EXTRA surcharges for unbalanced loading between phases , and for excessively reactive or inductive loads , but you do n't get free electricity by drawing a balanced load.Note : Penalties on uneven/reactive loading of the grid are usually not assessed against home users , just large commercial facilities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[citation needed]You get charged for the energy you use, period.There may be EXTRA surcharges for unbalanced loading between phases, and for excessively reactive or inductive loads, but you don't get free electricity by drawing a balanced load.Note:  Penalties on uneven/reactive loading of the grid are usually not assessed against home users, just large commercial facilities.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608830</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608904</id>
	<title>Opt-in?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269522660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good thing it's opt-in, and Google doesn't install power monitoring devices on all of our appliances by default.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good thing it 's opt-in , and Google does n't install power monitoring devices on all of our appliances by default .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good thing it's opt-in, and Google doesn't install power monitoring devices on all of our appliances by default.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609120</id>
	<title>Re:Want to check your consumption?</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1269524280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually yes.  because your power meter is too inaccurate at small reading to give me a difference in 15 minutes.  and when you are chasing down parasitic loads it's important.</p><p>I use the TED5000 (The Energy Detective)  works great, is dirt cheap, and gives me an energy data aggregate that is killer in every way. Plus having a Dollar amount in our faces on the counter every minute of the day really makes you pay attention to leaving the basement lights on all day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually yes .
because your power meter is too inaccurate at small reading to give me a difference in 15 minutes .
and when you are chasing down parasitic loads it 's important.I use the TED5000 ( The Energy Detective ) works great , is dirt cheap , and gives me an energy data aggregate that is killer in every way .
Plus having a Dollar amount in our faces on the counter every minute of the day really makes you pay attention to leaving the basement lights on all day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually yes.
because your power meter is too inaccurate at small reading to give me a difference in 15 minutes.
and when you are chasing down parasitic loads it's important.I use the TED5000 (The Energy Detective)  works great, is dirt cheap, and gives me an energy data aggregate that is killer in every way.
Plus having a Dollar amount in our faces on the counter every minute of the day really makes you pay attention to leaving the basement lights on all day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608926</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609538</id>
	<title>Re:already exists</title>
	<author>Rallias Ubernerd</author>
	<datestamp>1269526920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Uses a heck of alot of electricity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Uses a heck of alot of electricity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uses a heck of alot of electricity.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608858</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609514</id>
	<title>Re:Blah blah blah</title>
	<author>confused one</author>
	<datestamp>1269526740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Turn on your oven then check your meter.   I'll wait...  The meter is spinning isn't it?  Your oven is a 240V resistive load pulling equally from both phases.  By the way, phase is somewhat of a misnomer in household application because it's really a single phase with a transformer center tap (the neutral leg) that's tied to ground.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Turn on your oven then check your meter .
I 'll wait... The meter is spinning is n't it ?
Your oven is a 240V resistive load pulling equally from both phases .
By the way , phase is somewhat of a misnomer in household application because it 's really a single phase with a transformer center tap ( the neutral leg ) that 's tied to ground .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turn on your oven then check your meter.
I'll wait...  The meter is spinning isn't it?
Your oven is a 240V resistive load pulling equally from both phases.
By the way, phase is somewhat of a misnomer in household application because it's really a single phase with a transformer center tap (the neutral leg) that's tied to ground.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608830</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609436</id>
	<title>PopSci Magazine ?Apr 2009</title>
	<author>Rallias Ubernerd</author>
	<datestamp>1269526200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We've known this for a while, those who actually care to read.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've known this for a while , those who actually care to read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've known this for a while, those who actually care to read.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609288</id>
	<title>More detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269525120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They better show which jack and/or which app. consume how much money worth of electricity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They better show which jack and/or which app .
consume how much money worth of electricity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They better show which jack and/or which app.
consume how much money worth of electricity.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31775226</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't Google want togo into power trading?</title>
	<author>anonymous cupboard</author>
	<datestamp>1270737960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They don't have a power generation capability (last time I looked). They also don't have any consumers other than their own data centers. This actually puts them into a difficult position whereby they can be squeezed either side of the market.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't have a power generation capability ( last time I looked ) .
They also do n't have any consumers other than their own data centers .
This actually puts them into a difficult position whereby they can be squeezed either side of the market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't have a power generation capability (last time I looked).
They also don't have any consumers other than their own data centers.
This actually puts them into a difficult position whereby they can be squeezed either side of the market.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31612538</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31623438</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269600000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I couldn't trust a company that misspells "home"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could n't trust a company that misspells " home "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I couldn't trust a company that misspells "home"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608836</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608926</id>
	<title>Want to check your consumption?</title>
	<author>Viol8</author>
	<datestamp>1269522840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check your electricity meter.</p><p>Check it again the next day.</p><p>Subtract the 2 values.</p><p>Really , is this so difficult for some people that they need a gadget to do it for them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check your electricity meter.Check it again the next day.Subtract the 2 values.Really , is this so difficult for some people that they need a gadget to do it for them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check your electricity meter.Check it again the next day.Subtract the 2 values.Really , is this so difficult for some people that they need a gadget to do it for them?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609330</id>
	<title>Re:Totally not evil</title>
	<author>N1AK</author>
	<datestamp>1269525480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Prying on every aspect of your life</p></div></blockquote><p>Offering someone a service, which they are free to refuse I haven't heard lately...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Prying on every aspect of your lifeOffering someone a service , which they are free to refuse I have n't heard lately.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prying on every aspect of your lifeOffering someone a service, which they are free to refuse I haven't heard lately...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608850</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609710</id>
	<title>Re:Want to check your consumption?</title>
	<author>Nyder</author>
	<datestamp>1269527580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Check your electricity meter.</p><p>Check it again the next day.</p><p>Subtract the 2 values.</p><p>Really , is this so difficult for some people that they need a gadget to do it for them?</p></div><p>I live in an apartment, so ya, it's hard for me to get to the electricty meter every day.  I'd probably have to find the manager, ask him to take me to it, give him good enough reason why I want to access it everyday.  Get denied.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Check your electricity meter.Check it again the next day.Subtract the 2 values.Really , is this so difficult for some people that they need a gadget to do it for them ? I live in an apartment , so ya , it 's hard for me to get to the electricty meter every day .
I 'd probably have to find the manager , ask him to take me to it , give him good enough reason why I want to access it everyday .
Get denied .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check your electricity meter.Check it again the next day.Subtract the 2 values.Really , is this so difficult for some people that they need a gadget to do it for them?I live in an apartment, so ya, it's hard for me to get to the electricty meter every day.
I'd probably have to find the manager, ask him to take me to it, give him good enough reason why I want to access it everyday.
Get denied.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608926</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609410</id>
	<title>Is there anything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269526140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that Google doesn't want to do?</p><p>Next:</p><p>Google Lawyer ("I AM a lawyer!")<br>Google Web-medicine (get some of that Health Care bill gravy)<br>Google electric car<br>Google Skynet</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that Google does n't want to do ? Next : Google Lawyer ( " I AM a lawyer !
" ) Google Web-medicine ( get some of that Health Care bill gravy ) Google electric carGoogle Skynet</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that Google doesn't want to do?Next:Google Lawyer ("I AM a lawyer!
")Google Web-medicine (get some of that Health Care bill gravy)Google electric carGoogle Skynet</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609008</id>
	<title>Good news?</title>
	<author>shish</author>
	<datestamp>1269523380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The good news is that it is an opt-in service and free so you don't have to make Google your energy-monitor if you dont't want to do so.</p></div><p>Since when is this news at all? To say that it is would mean that it's different to normal, which implies that google regularly install monitoring hardware into people's homes as an opt-out service...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The good news is that it is an opt-in service and free so you do n't have to make Google your energy-monitor if you dont't want to do so.Since when is this news at all ?
To say that it is would mean that it 's different to normal , which implies that google regularly install monitoring hardware into people 's homes as an opt-out service.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The good news is that it is an opt-in service and free so you don't have to make Google your energy-monitor if you dont't want to do so.Since when is this news at all?
To say that it is would mean that it's different to normal, which implies that google regularly install monitoring hardware into people's homes as an opt-out service...
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609546</id>
	<title>Re:already exists</title>
	<author>Grizzley9</author>
	<datestamp>1269526920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While nice, I'd really like it to monitor my circuit breaker box so I can see where the energy is being used per circuit and adjust accordingly.  Perhaps my Fridge is using a lot more than normal or more than the avg, send me an alert that it may need a service call or time to replace.  Water heater, AC, etc.  Are the lights being left on in the kid's rooms overly long or are my outside lights staying on too long, how much is that tv usage costing me, etc.</p><p>More of a smart home, than just a smart meter for overall usage where it could be difficult to pin down changing usage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While nice , I 'd really like it to monitor my circuit breaker box so I can see where the energy is being used per circuit and adjust accordingly .
Perhaps my Fridge is using a lot more than normal or more than the avg , send me an alert that it may need a service call or time to replace .
Water heater , AC , etc .
Are the lights being left on in the kid 's rooms overly long or are my outside lights staying on too long , how much is that tv usage costing me , etc.More of a smart home , than just a smart meter for overall usage where it could be difficult to pin down changing usage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While nice, I'd really like it to monitor my circuit breaker box so I can see where the energy is being used per circuit and adjust accordingly.
Perhaps my Fridge is using a lot more than normal or more than the avg, send me an alert that it may need a service call or time to replace.
Water heater, AC, etc.
Are the lights being left on in the kid's rooms overly long or are my outside lights staying on too long, how much is that tv usage costing me, etc.More of a smart home, than just a smart meter for overall usage where it could be difficult to pin down changing usage.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608858</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31610572</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269532020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You get a lot of first posts, did you ever think if you got out and got laid you might be less likely to sit on slashdot 12 hours a day?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You get a lot of first posts , did you ever think if you got out and got laid you might be less likely to sit on slashdot 12 hours a day ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You get a lot of first posts, did you ever think if you got out and got laid you might be less likely to sit on slashdot 12 hours a day?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608836</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609292</id>
	<title>Re:Soon - Google wants to be your valentine -</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269525180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then you can tell how much CO2 and Methane you are putting into the air and tell you what foods you can eat to reduce your gas emissions!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then you can tell how much CO2 and Methane you are putting into the air and tell you what foods you can eat to reduce your gas emissions !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then you can tell how much CO2 and Methane you are putting into the air and tell you what foods you can eat to reduce your gas emissions!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608840</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608968</id>
	<title>As long as...</title>
	<author>Eth1csGrad1ent</author>
	<datestamp>1269523140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...they don't run the site like this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/</a> [youtube.com]
<br> <br>
(ps. If youtube's main page no longer looks like <b>Http/1.1 Service Unavailable</b> then this gag is past its usefulness)</htmltext>
<tokenext>...they do n't run the site like this http : //www.youtube.com/ [ youtube.com ] ( ps .
If youtube 's main page no longer looks like Http/1.1 Service Unavailable then this gag is past its usefulness )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...they don't run the site like this http://www.youtube.com/ [youtube.com]
 
(ps.
If youtube's main page no longer looks like Http/1.1 Service Unavailable then this gag is past its usefulness)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31615104</id>
	<title>TOTALLY LOL at google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269546060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can highly recommend a new slogan for them:</p><p>"Don't be a hypocrit".</p><p>Try asking google what their power consumption is LOL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can highly recommend a new slogan for them : " Do n't be a hypocrit " .Try asking google what their power consumption is LOL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can highly recommend a new slogan for them:"Don't be a hypocrit".Try asking google what their power consumption is LOL.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609228</id>
	<title>We don't do meters in this country</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269524880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the USA, we don't do any of them metric units. So it wouldn't be meters of electricity, it would be a good old american measure, like BTU</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the USA , we do n't do any of them metric units .
So it would n't be meters of electricity , it would be a good old american measure , like BTU</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the USA, we don't do any of them metric units.
So it wouldn't be meters of electricity, it would be a good old american measure, like BTU</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609616</id>
	<title>Chip to make integration easier</title>
	<author>us7892</author>
	<datestamp>1269527160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google already partnered with some utilities, and a few device makers (about 7 months ago).  Most utilities are slow to provide opt-in to their customers.  But anyone can install and watch their whole house power and consumption.  <br> <br>For example, the <a href="http://www.theenergydetective.com/index.html" title="theenergydetective.com">TED</a> [theenergydetective.com] installs at your house main.  It happens to send data to Google PowerMeter in the cloud (an App Engine application it seems.)<br> <br>Right now, it is only one-way.  Simply provides monitoring.  Nothing can be controlled.  You see your 10-minute average power in an iGoogle Gadget.  As well as weekly and monthly total consumption, with a couple basic comparisons.   In fact, the TED had an API, so anyone can read the second-by-second power readings and build your own charting application, or load a spreadsheet, or use the built-in browser to see gauges of power, etc.

So, to make it easier for device manufactures to provide usage data (probably not just electric, but gas and water as well), why not a chip that can be embedded into your device designs. <br> <br>

For those who have not seen Google PowerMeter, <a href="http://i40.tinypic.com/wb2iyv.png" title="tinypic.com">tinypic sample here</a> [tinypic.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google already partnered with some utilities , and a few device makers ( about 7 months ago ) .
Most utilities are slow to provide opt-in to their customers .
But anyone can install and watch their whole house power and consumption .
For example , the TED [ theenergydetective.com ] installs at your house main .
It happens to send data to Google PowerMeter in the cloud ( an App Engine application it seems .
) Right now , it is only one-way .
Simply provides monitoring .
Nothing can be controlled .
You see your 10-minute average power in an iGoogle Gadget .
As well as weekly and monthly total consumption , with a couple basic comparisons .
In fact , the TED had an API , so anyone can read the second-by-second power readings and build your own charting application , or load a spreadsheet , or use the built-in browser to see gauges of power , etc .
So , to make it easier for device manufactures to provide usage data ( probably not just electric , but gas and water as well ) , why not a chip that can be embedded into your device designs .
For those who have not seen Google PowerMeter , tinypic sample here [ tinypic.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google already partnered with some utilities, and a few device makers (about 7 months ago).
Most utilities are slow to provide opt-in to their customers.
But anyone can install and watch their whole house power and consumption.
For example, the TED [theenergydetective.com] installs at your house main.
It happens to send data to Google PowerMeter in the cloud (an App Engine application it seems.
) Right now, it is only one-way.
Simply provides monitoring.
Nothing can be controlled.
You see your 10-minute average power in an iGoogle Gadget.
As well as weekly and monthly total consumption, with a couple basic comparisons.
In fact, the TED had an API, so anyone can read the second-by-second power readings and build your own charting application, or load a spreadsheet, or use the built-in browser to see gauges of power, etc.
So, to make it easier for device manufactures to provide usage data (probably not just electric, but gas and water as well), why not a chip that can be embedded into your device designs.
For those who have not seen Google PowerMeter, tinypic sample here [tinypic.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31613012</id>
	<title>Re:Blah blah blah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269539640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My gas oven doens't use much electricity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My gas oven doens't use much electricity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My gas oven doens't use much electricity.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609514</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608884</id>
	<title>ads</title>
	<author>danny\_lehman</author>
	<datestamp>1269522420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>they'll find a way to dynamically alter the ads we're shown using this thing now too</htmltext>
<tokenext>they 'll find a way to dynamically alter the ads we 're shown using this thing now too</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they'll find a way to dynamically alter the ads we're shown using this thing now too</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609106</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft too</title>
	<author>V!NCENT</author>
	<datestamp>1269524220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But does the Microsoft one runs Linux?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But does the Microsoft one runs Linux ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But does the Microsoft one runs Linux?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608836</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609398</id>
	<title>more to do with Telecom</title>
	<author>z\_gringo</author>
	<datestamp>1269526020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think that all of google's noisemaking in the utilities area has very little to do with power and power consumption, and everything to do with Telecommunications.

There was an announcment  recently that Google was entering the Electric Utility business.  Everyone was saying that google would be an electricity provider before long, but this probably has more to do with accessing the utlitiy easments for fiber than anything else.

Google has  made it clear that they intend to be a serious player in Telecoms very soon.  All the noise about utilities is probably really all about Telecoms.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that all of google 's noisemaking in the utilities area has very little to do with power and power consumption , and everything to do with Telecommunications .
There was an announcment recently that Google was entering the Electric Utility business .
Everyone was saying that google would be an electricity provider before long , but this probably has more to do with accessing the utlitiy easments for fiber than anything else .
Google has made it clear that they intend to be a serious player in Telecoms very soon .
All the noise about utilities is probably really all about Telecoms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that all of google's noisemaking in the utilities area has very little to do with power and power consumption, and everything to do with Telecommunications.
There was an announcment  recently that Google was entering the Electric Utility business.
Everyone was saying that google would be an electricity provider before long, but this probably has more to do with accessing the utlitiy easments for fiber than anything else.
Google has  made it clear that they intend to be a serious player in Telecoms very soon.
All the noise about utilities is probably really all about Telecoms.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31623462</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't Google want togo into power trading?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269600180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had to parse your headline a couple of times before I realised you meant "to go" and not that Google was somehow keen on getting the nation of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togo" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Togo</a> [wikipedia.org] into power trading.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had to parse your headline a couple of times before I realised you meant " to go " and not that Google was somehow keen on getting the nation of Togo [ wikipedia.org ] into power trading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had to parse your headline a couple of times before I realised you meant "to go" and not that Google was somehow keen on getting the nation of Togo [wikipedia.org] into power trading.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608978</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609508</id>
	<title>Re:Blah blah blah</title>
	<author>Indras</author>
	<datestamp>1269526680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is absolutely wrong.  The obvious flaw in your argument: 220V loads.  A clothes dryer, for instance, creates a complete circuit between the two phases to provide the 220V necessary to run the load.  Therefore, 220V appliances are ALWAYS balanced loads, requiring no neutral/ground to handle the difference.  Are you trying to tell me that the power company does not charge you for electricity you use in 220 circuits?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is absolutely wrong .
The obvious flaw in your argument : 220V loads .
A clothes dryer , for instance , creates a complete circuit between the two phases to provide the 220V necessary to run the load .
Therefore , 220V appliances are ALWAYS balanced loads , requiring no neutral/ground to handle the difference .
Are you trying to tell me that the power company does not charge you for electricity you use in 220 circuits ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is absolutely wrong.
The obvious flaw in your argument: 220V loads.
A clothes dryer, for instance, creates a complete circuit between the two phases to provide the 220V necessary to run the load.
Therefore, 220V appliances are ALWAYS balanced loads, requiring no neutral/ground to handle the difference.
Are you trying to tell me that the power company does not charge you for electricity you use in 220 circuits?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609006</id>
	<title>Google's Real Motives</title>
	<author>SovBob</author>
	<datestamp>1269523380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This makes sense when you consider Google and their relentless pursuit of <a href="http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/07/15/googles-chiller-less-data-center/" title="datacenterknowledge.com" rel="nofollow">reducing</a> [datacenterknowledge.com] their <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/08/02/16/1727215/Googles-Addiction-to-Cheap-Electricity?art\_pos=17" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">energy bill</a> [slashdot.org].</p><p>A lot of people have no idea how much electricity they are consuming, except at the end of the month.  Increasing awareness will encourage people to turn off unused lights in their house (and get the instant gratification of seeing the electricity consumption graph go down on their homepage).  This serves a dual purpose.  Cutting down on consumption will mean a surplus of electricity, which lowers the price.  Google gets cheaper electricity, and it also helps the environment.</p><p>I don't think Google is particularly interested in selling your electric power consumption data, although they might want to look at large-scale statistical data for their own research.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This makes sense when you consider Google and their relentless pursuit of reducing [ datacenterknowledge.com ] their energy bill [ slashdot.org ] .A lot of people have no idea how much electricity they are consuming , except at the end of the month .
Increasing awareness will encourage people to turn off unused lights in their house ( and get the instant gratification of seeing the electricity consumption graph go down on their homepage ) .
This serves a dual purpose .
Cutting down on consumption will mean a surplus of electricity , which lowers the price .
Google gets cheaper electricity , and it also helps the environment.I do n't think Google is particularly interested in selling your electric power consumption data , although they might want to look at large-scale statistical data for their own research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This makes sense when you consider Google and their relentless pursuit of reducing [datacenterknowledge.com] their energy bill [slashdot.org].A lot of people have no idea how much electricity they are consuming, except at the end of the month.
Increasing awareness will encourage people to turn off unused lights in their house (and get the instant gratification of seeing the electricity consumption graph go down on their homepage).
This serves a dual purpose.
Cutting down on consumption will mean a surplus of electricity, which lowers the price.
Google gets cheaper electricity, and it also helps the environment.I don't think Google is particularly interested in selling your electric power consumption data, although they might want to look at large-scale statistical data for their own research.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608850</id>
	<title>Totally not evil</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269522180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Prying on every aspect of your life is not evil, because Google says 'do no evil', right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Prying on every aspect of your life is not evil , because Google says 'do no evil ' , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prying on every aspect of your life is not evil, because Google says 'do no evil', right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31611064</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269533760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's "who's following <em>wohm</em>".<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's " who 's following wohm " .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's "who's following wohm".
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609534</id>
	<title>Re:skeptical</title>
	<author>gtbritishskull</author>
	<datestamp>1269526860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>But, I would like the ability to shut down my power (or different devices based upon the current price of electricity).  As with any online system, security is important.  If you want to pay the higher power bill from using electricity you don't need, just so you can be positive your electricity won't get turned off by a hacker, then go ahead.  You can also unplug your computer from the wall and be positive that your computer won't be hacked (and you can drive to or call the bank every time you need to transfer money instead of doing it online).  But some people are willing to deal with the security concerns for the convenience that is provided.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But , I would like the ability to shut down my power ( or different devices based upon the current price of electricity ) .
As with any online system , security is important .
If you want to pay the higher power bill from using electricity you do n't need , just so you can be positive your electricity wo n't get turned off by a hacker , then go ahead .
You can also unplug your computer from the wall and be positive that your computer wo n't be hacked ( and you can drive to or call the bank every time you need to transfer money instead of doing it online ) .
But some people are willing to deal with the security concerns for the convenience that is provided .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But, I would like the ability to shut down my power (or different devices based upon the current price of electricity).
As with any online system, security is important.
If you want to pay the higher power bill from using electricity you don't need, just so you can be positive your electricity won't get turned off by a hacker, then go ahead.
You can also unplug your computer from the wall and be positive that your computer won't be hacked (and you can drive to or call the bank every time you need to transfer money instead of doing it online).
But some people are willing to deal with the security concerns for the convenience that is provided.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608966</id>
	<title>Re:Want to check your consumption?</title>
	<author>kaigoh</author>
	<datestamp>1269523140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its not hard to do the maths, I'm just incredibly lazy...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not hard to do the maths , I 'm just incredibly lazy.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not hard to do the maths, I'm just incredibly lazy...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31612348</id>
	<title>Re:skeptical</title>
	<author>fast turtle</author>
	<datestamp>1269537600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and after suffering another 4+ hour outage due to some idiot hitting a pole yesterday along with rolling blackouts because of an aging infrastructure, I've decided to go completely Solar and off the grid. This way I will have power when everyone else doesn't and can continue running my refrigerators, computers, lights, heating and cooling all year w/o worry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and after suffering another 4 + hour outage due to some idiot hitting a pole yesterday along with rolling blackouts because of an aging infrastructure , I 've decided to go completely Solar and off the grid .
This way I will have power when everyone else does n't and can continue running my refrigerators , computers , lights , heating and cooling all year w/o worry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and after suffering another 4+ hour outage due to some idiot hitting a pole yesterday along with rolling blackouts because of an aging infrastructure, I've decided to go completely Solar and off the grid.
This way I will have power when everyone else doesn't and can continue running my refrigerators, computers, lights, heating and cooling all year w/o worry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31614946</id>
	<title>Re:skeptical</title>
	<author>robot256</author>
	<datestamp>1269545520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, but this service does not justify that kind of paranoia.  Most devices you can use with it are not devices that control power flow; they merely measure it.
</p><p>Smart power meters like Google is targeting are just that--METERS.  For example the <a href="http://www.theenergydetective.com/ted-5000-faq.html" title="theenergydetective.com">TED5000</a> [theenergydetective.com] uses non-invasive current probes that clip onto your power wires and inductively measure the current that is flowing.  It then uploads the current data to Google Power Meter where it keeps a trend log you can view from anywhere, which is a legitimate service.  The TED5000 itself keeps an internal log, but is not as detailed.  It is physically impossible for the TED5000 to interrupt or otherwise impede the flow of electricity into your home--such a device would be large and expensive.
</p><p>Smart appliances, on the other hand, are IP-enabled refrigerators, air conditioners, etc, that read information from the smart meter and make operating decisions based on it.  Google probably wants to encourage smart appliances too, but this app only has to deal with the smart meters at the moment.
</p><p>So using Google Power Meter <i>with a non-invasive smart meter</i> does not make you vulnerable to control by hackers.  The only way you could have a device to shut power off remotely would if it were installed by the utility company or else be a smart appliance you installed yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but this service does not justify that kind of paranoia .
Most devices you can use with it are not devices that control power flow ; they merely measure it .
Smart power meters like Google is targeting are just that--METERS .
For example the TED5000 [ theenergydetective.com ] uses non-invasive current probes that clip onto your power wires and inductively measure the current that is flowing .
It then uploads the current data to Google Power Meter where it keeps a trend log you can view from anywhere , which is a legitimate service .
The TED5000 itself keeps an internal log , but is not as detailed .
It is physically impossible for the TED5000 to interrupt or otherwise impede the flow of electricity into your home--such a device would be large and expensive .
Smart appliances , on the other hand , are IP-enabled refrigerators , air conditioners , etc , that read information from the smart meter and make operating decisions based on it .
Google probably wants to encourage smart appliances too , but this app only has to deal with the smart meters at the moment .
So using Google Power Meter with a non-invasive smart meter does not make you vulnerable to control by hackers .
The only way you could have a device to shut power off remotely would if it were installed by the utility company or else be a smart appliance you installed yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but this service does not justify that kind of paranoia.
Most devices you can use with it are not devices that control power flow; they merely measure it.
Smart power meters like Google is targeting are just that--METERS.
For example the TED5000 [theenergydetective.com] uses non-invasive current probes that clip onto your power wires and inductively measure the current that is flowing.
It then uploads the current data to Google Power Meter where it keeps a trend log you can view from anywhere, which is a legitimate service.
The TED5000 itself keeps an internal log, but is not as detailed.
It is physically impossible for the TED5000 to interrupt or otherwise impede the flow of electricity into your home--such a device would be large and expensive.
Smart appliances, on the other hand, are IP-enabled refrigerators, air conditioners, etc, that read information from the smart meter and make operating decisions based on it.
Google probably wants to encourage smart appliances too, but this app only has to deal with the smart meters at the moment.
So using Google Power Meter with a non-invasive smart meter does not make you vulnerable to control by hackers.
The only way you could have a device to shut power off remotely would if it were installed by the utility company or else be a smart appliance you installed yourself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608830</id>
	<title>Blah blah blah</title>
	<author>voodoo cheesecake</author>
	<datestamp>1269522060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's funny that this has little to do with your power bill since you only oay for the unbalanced load between phases. You can draw 40 amps from phase 1 and 50 amps from phase 2, but only get charged for 10 amps. I don't need google to tell me how to save money on my power bill!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's funny that this has little to do with your power bill since you only oay for the unbalanced load between phases .
You can draw 40 amps from phase 1 and 50 amps from phase 2 , but only get charged for 10 amps .
I do n't need google to tell me how to save money on my power bill !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's funny that this has little to do with your power bill since you only oay for the unbalanced load between phases.
You can draw 40 amps from phase 1 and 50 amps from phase 2, but only get charged for 10 amps.
I don't need google to tell me how to save money on my power bill!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608942</id>
	<title>Re:Handy for DEA...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269522960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not if LED lights are used...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not if LED lights are used.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not if LED lights are used...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608882</id>
	<title>It's opt-in... for now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269522420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As the "green" push becomes more and more politically manipulatable, watch for the government to start requiring this monitoring service for everyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As the " green " push becomes more and more politically manipulatable , watch for the government to start requiring this monitoring service for everyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the "green" push becomes more and more politically manipulatable, watch for the government to start requiring this monitoring service for everyone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31612538</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't Google want togo into power trading?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269538200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't they supply a lot of their own power?  This could be something as simple as them trying to export tech they wrote for themselves in their data centers to monitor power usage to the masses.  Throw a bit of advertising on there and they have made a piece of software written for their data centers provide additional revenue (in addition to whatever it helps them save by monitoring their own network).   Why does it always have to seem nefarious?  Seems like a simple re-purposing of a product to me.  Seems smart too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't they supply a lot of their own power ?
This could be something as simple as them trying to export tech they wrote for themselves in their data centers to monitor power usage to the masses .
Throw a bit of advertising on there and they have made a piece of software written for their data centers provide additional revenue ( in addition to whatever it helps them save by monitoring their own network ) .
Why does it always have to seem nefarious ?
Seems like a simple re-purposing of a product to me .
Seems smart too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't they supply a lot of their own power?
This could be something as simple as them trying to export tech they wrote for themselves in their data centers to monitor power usage to the masses.
Throw a bit of advertising on there and they have made a piece of software written for their data centers provide additional revenue (in addition to whatever it helps them save by monitoring their own network).
Why does it always have to seem nefarious?
Seems like a simple re-purposing of a product to me.
Seems smart too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609664</id>
	<title>Re:Google's Real Motives</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1269527400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would also give you almost instant feedback of what is consuming the most power in your home.  You could get a Kill-A-Watt meter, but how are you going to plug your furnace blower into it?  Just cut the power to the blower, and see how much your power drops over the next 5 min.  Same with other things that are difficult to measure or reach, like lighting, and ceiling fans. As you turn on/off items, you will see how it affects your power bill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would also give you almost instant feedback of what is consuming the most power in your home .
You could get a Kill-A-Watt meter , but how are you going to plug your furnace blower into it ?
Just cut the power to the blower , and see how much your power drops over the next 5 min .
Same with other things that are difficult to measure or reach , like lighting , and ceiling fans .
As you turn on/off items , you will see how it affects your power bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would also give you almost instant feedback of what is consuming the most power in your home.
You could get a Kill-A-Watt meter, but how are you going to plug your furnace blower into it?
Just cut the power to the blower, and see how much your power drops over the next 5 min.
Same with other things that are difficult to measure or reach, like lighting, and ceiling fans.
As you turn on/off items, you will see how it affects your power bill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609604</id>
	<title>gOOgle is watching you</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269527160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not.. they know everything else about me.<br>Even when I post Anonymously Google knows...</p><p>It is those two frigin' big eyes... gOOgle....they are watching you right now!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not.. they know everything else about me.Even when I post Anonymously Google knows...It is those two frigin ' big eyes... gOOgle....they are watching you right now !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not.. they know everything else about me.Even when I post Anonymously Google knows...It is those two frigin' big eyes... gOOgle....they are watching you right now!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31615624</id>
	<title>Re:skeptical</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1269547860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Am I the only one who is skeptical of these smart meter devices? I don't want hackers to be shut off my power or anything else.</i></p><p>Hackers can already do that now however.  Instead of a computer, they just use wire cutters.<br>Seeing as both need physical access to do...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one who is skeptical of these smart meter devices ?
I do n't want hackers to be shut off my power or anything else.Hackers can already do that now however .
Instead of a computer , they just use wire cutters.Seeing as both need physical access to do.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one who is skeptical of these smart meter devices?
I don't want hackers to be shut off my power or anything else.Hackers can already do that now however.
Instead of a computer, they just use wire cutters.Seeing as both need physical access to do...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608994</id>
	<title>Wrong wrong wrong</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1269523260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It wants to do this so that it can show people on their iGoogle homepages when and where they are consuming energy so that they can start to reduce their power consumption."<br>Wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong.  Google is an advertising company.  How the heck is an advertising company doing this?  </p><p>"The good news is that it is an opt-in service and free so you don't have to make Google your energy-monitor if you dont't want to do so."<br>Well, isn't that nice of Google!  I don't have to let them monitor my energy usage if I don't want to!  Thanks for that, faceless corporation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It wants to do this so that it can show people on their iGoogle homepages when and where they are consuming energy so that they can start to reduce their power consumption .
" Wrong , wrong , a thousand times wrong .
Google is an advertising company .
How the heck is an advertising company doing this ?
" The good news is that it is an opt-in service and free so you do n't have to make Google your energy-monitor if you dont't want to do so .
" Well , is n't that nice of Google !
I do n't have to let them monitor my energy usage if I do n't want to !
Thanks for that , faceless corporation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It wants to do this so that it can show people on their iGoogle homepages when and where they are consuming energy so that they can start to reduce their power consumption.
"Wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong.
Google is an advertising company.
How the heck is an advertising company doing this?
"The good news is that it is an opt-in service and free so you don't have to make Google your energy-monitor if you dont't want to do so.
"Well, isn't that nice of Google!
I don't have to let them monitor my energy usage if I don't want to!
Thanks for that, faceless corporation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608872</id>
	<title>Just don't require a video</title>
	<author>jjackalb</author>
	<datestamp>1269522300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as the "details of electricity" don't include a video, we're good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as the " details of electricity " do n't include a video , we 're good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as the "details of electricity" don't include a video, we're good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31610018</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft too</title>
	<author>InsertWittyNameHere</author>
	<datestamp>1269529260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>They're extremely different.
<br>
<br>
<b>GOOGLE: </b>"PowerMeter is free software that displays details of home <b>energy consumption received from either a smartmeter or another electricity monitoring device</b>."
<br>
<br>
vs.
<br>
<br>
<b>MICROSOFT: </b>"After signing up for Hohm with your Windows Live ID and Postal Code, <b>you simply enter some information about your home (for example, occupants, appliances and systems)</b> and you will receive your energy report with personalized recommendations. The more information you provide, the more accurate and relevant the recommendations will be."</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're extremely different .
GOOGLE : " PowerMeter is free software that displays details of home energy consumption received from either a smartmeter or another electricity monitoring device .
" vs . MICROSOFT : " After signing up for Hohm with your Windows Live ID and Postal Code , you simply enter some information about your home ( for example , occupants , appliances and systems ) and you will receive your energy report with personalized recommendations .
The more information you provide , the more accurate and relevant the recommendations will be .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're extremely different.
GOOGLE: "PowerMeter is free software that displays details of home energy consumption received from either a smartmeter or another electricity monitoring device.
"


vs.


MICROSOFT: "After signing up for Hohm with your Windows Live ID and Postal Code, you simply enter some information about your home (for example, occupants, appliances and systems) and you will receive your energy report with personalized recommendations.
The more information you provide, the more accurate and relevant the recommendations will be.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609004</id>
	<title>DEA will be the last of  our worries</title>
	<author>Shivetya</author>
	<datestamp>1269523380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the new folks at the EPA are seeing all sorts of new ways to leverage laws at their disposal to expand into areas where they don't belong.  Believe it, when they find out that they can monitor with this much ease they will.  We already have regulations against incandescent bulbs, how long before we have legislation against exceeding government defined thresholds for healing and cooling one's home?  After all, just because you can afford below 78 in the summer doesn't mean you should be allowed to, think of the environment, think of the children.</p><p>I love some of the new technology out there, the problem is we are being forced into a nanny state, one where people want everything given to them and that old saying ain't far off, if they can provide it all they can take it all; or monitor it all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the new folks at the EPA are seeing all sorts of new ways to leverage laws at their disposal to expand into areas where they do n't belong .
Believe it , when they find out that they can monitor with this much ease they will .
We already have regulations against incandescent bulbs , how long before we have legislation against exceeding government defined thresholds for healing and cooling one 's home ?
After all , just because you can afford below 78 in the summer does n't mean you should be allowed to , think of the environment , think of the children.I love some of the new technology out there , the problem is we are being forced into a nanny state , one where people want everything given to them and that old saying ai n't far off , if they can provide it all they can take it all ; or monitor it all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the new folks at the EPA are seeing all sorts of new ways to leverage laws at their disposal to expand into areas where they don't belong.
Believe it, when they find out that they can monitor with this much ease they will.
We already have regulations against incandescent bulbs, how long before we have legislation against exceeding government defined thresholds for healing and cooling one's home?
After all, just because you can afford below 78 in the summer doesn't mean you should be allowed to, think of the environment, think of the children.I love some of the new technology out there, the problem is we are being forced into a nanny state, one where people want everything given to them and that old saying ain't far off, if they can provide it all they can take it all; or monitor it all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31613400</id>
	<title>Didn't realize I had to have an energy monitor</title>
	<author>bryan1945</author>
	<datestamp>1269540900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Good news is that it is an opt-in service, so you don't have to use iGoogle as you energy monitor."</p><p>I thought my electric company did this pretty accurately, though they tend to charge more.  Either I've missed something really big or the wording was badly phrased.  Especially the part where it implies you have to have some type of personal energy monitor for your home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Good news is that it is an opt-in service , so you do n't have to use iGoogle as you energy monitor .
" I thought my electric company did this pretty accurately , though they tend to charge more .
Either I 've missed something really big or the wording was badly phrased .
Especially the part where it implies you have to have some type of personal energy monitor for your home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Good news is that it is an opt-in service, so you don't have to use iGoogle as you energy monitor.
"I thought my electric company did this pretty accurately, though they tend to charge more.
Either I've missed something really big or the wording was badly phrased.
Especially the part where it implies you have to have some type of personal energy monitor for your home.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609152</id>
	<title>skeptical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269524520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one who is skeptical of these smart meter devices? I don't want hackers to be shut off my power or anything else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one who is skeptical of these smart meter devices ?
I do n't want hackers to be shut off my power or anything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one who is skeptical of these smart meter devices?
I don't want hackers to be shut off my power or anything else.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31623654</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't Google want togo into power trading?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269602220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Very interesting remark, hadn't heard about those power producing ideas yet.</p><p>In 20 years there will be only one company left in the world if they play the global corporate chessboard smart enough<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;o</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very interesting remark , had n't heard about those power producing ideas yet.In 20 years there will be only one company left in the world if they play the global corporate chessboard smart enough ; o</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very interesting remark, hadn't heard about those power producing ideas yet.In 20 years there will be only one company left in the world if they play the global corporate chessboard smart enough ;o</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608978</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31612054</id>
	<title>Re:Blah blah blah</title>
	<author>cayenne8</author>
	<datestamp>1269536700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"A clothes dryer, for instance, creates a complete circuit between the two phases to provide the 220V necessary to run the load."</i> <p>
Even my gas dryer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" A clothes dryer , for instance , creates a complete circuit between the two phases to provide the 220V necessary to run the load .
" Even my gas dryer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A clothes dryer, for instance, creates a complete circuit between the two phases to provide the 220V necessary to run the load.
" 
Even my gas dryer?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609508</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609346</id>
	<title>Google Toilet Paper</title>
	<author>alex-tokar</author>
	<datestamp>1269525600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>New Google <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/20/google-toilet-paper-found\_n\_365433.html" title="huffingtonpost.com" rel="nofollow">sewage flush meter</a> [huffingtonpost.com] coming to a home near you next year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>New Google sewage flush meter [ huffingtonpost.com ] coming to a home near you next year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Google sewage flush meter [huffingtonpost.com] coming to a home near you next year.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31614676</id>
	<title>The point is standardization</title>
	<author>DCFusor</author>
	<datestamp>1269544740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So I don't have to write all kinds of drivers for each new thing.  At a whole house level, this isn't that useful.  But I'm on solar power here and knowing when remote loads (like the freezer in the outbuilding) is running is good, and knowing when somehow my "vampire loads" have ramped up at night -- what's causing that battery drain, is very good and extremely useful.  As it is, my Xantrex stuff tells me some things on a proprietary layer over a CAN bus.  Pain in the....you know and that's only whole house stuff.
Would be a lot nicer to use a cheap MicroChip part all over and by circuit, sometimes even by device, and only have to write one set of code to talk to all of it.

The standard is a big benefit to me going forward.  I don't care about sending data to Google one way or the other -- I want to know myself as part of my job as "the power company" on my campus.

I use microchip's PIC controllers all the time and like them a lot, so I'm glad they got with someone who has a clue (which can be interpreted from either side just as well).</htmltext>
<tokenext>So I do n't have to write all kinds of drivers for each new thing .
At a whole house level , this is n't that useful .
But I 'm on solar power here and knowing when remote loads ( like the freezer in the outbuilding ) is running is good , and knowing when somehow my " vampire loads " have ramped up at night -- what 's causing that battery drain , is very good and extremely useful .
As it is , my Xantrex stuff tells me some things on a proprietary layer over a CAN bus .
Pain in the....you know and that 's only whole house stuff .
Would be a lot nicer to use a cheap MicroChip part all over and by circuit , sometimes even by device , and only have to write one set of code to talk to all of it .
The standard is a big benefit to me going forward .
I do n't care about sending data to Google one way or the other -- I want to know myself as part of my job as " the power company " on my campus .
I use microchip 's PIC controllers all the time and like them a lot , so I 'm glad they got with someone who has a clue ( which can be interpreted from either side just as well ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I don't have to write all kinds of drivers for each new thing.
At a whole house level, this isn't that useful.
But I'm on solar power here and knowing when remote loads (like the freezer in the outbuilding) is running is good, and knowing when somehow my "vampire loads" have ramped up at night -- what's causing that battery drain, is very good and extremely useful.
As it is, my Xantrex stuff tells me some things on a proprietary layer over a CAN bus.
Pain in the....you know and that's only whole house stuff.
Would be a lot nicer to use a cheap MicroChip part all over and by circuit, sometimes even by device, and only have to write one set of code to talk to all of it.
The standard is a big benefit to me going forward.
I don't care about sending data to Google one way or the other -- I want to know myself as part of my job as "the power company" on my campus.
I use microchip's PIC controllers all the time and like them a lot, so I'm glad they got with someone who has a clue (which can be interpreted from either side just as well).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608844</id>
	<title>Now works with Tweet-a-Watt!</title>
	<author>sp332</author>
	<datestamp>1269522120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google just announced an API for PowerMeter <a href="http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2010/03/google-powermeter-api-introduced-for.html" title="blogspot.com">http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2010/03/google-powermeter-api-introduced-for.html</a> [blogspot.com] , so Adafruit's Tweet-a-Watt can brag to your followers about your home efficiency. <a href="http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2010/03/04/google-code-blog-google-powermeter-api-introduced-for-device-manufacturers/" title="adafruit.com">http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2010/03/04/google-code-blog-google-powermeter-api-introduced-for-device-manufacturers/</a> [adafruit.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google just announced an API for PowerMeter http : //googlecode.blogspot.com/2010/03/google-powermeter-api-introduced-for.html [ blogspot.com ] , so Adafruit 's Tweet-a-Watt can brag to your followers about your home efficiency .
http : //www.adafruit.com/blog/2010/03/04/google-code-blog-google-powermeter-api-introduced-for-device-manufacturers/ [ adafruit.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google just announced an API for PowerMeter http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2010/03/google-powermeter-api-introduced-for.html [blogspot.com] , so Adafruit's Tweet-a-Watt can brag to your followers about your home efficiency.
http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2010/03/04/google-code-blog-google-powermeter-api-introduced-for-device-manufacturers/ [adafruit.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31621476</id>
	<title>Re:Soon - Google wants to be your valentine -</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1269533760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"Google wants to dump with you - Google Shit (TM)"</p></div></blockquote><p>

I'm going with Gloo</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Google wants to dump with you - Google Shit ( TM ) " I 'm going with Gloo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Google wants to dump with you - Google Shit (TM)"

I'm going with Gloo
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608840</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609180</id>
	<title>Don't call me, I'll call you</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269524580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just let me know when it's opt-out. I don't want anything to do with Google's data gathering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just let me know when it 's opt-out .
I do n't want anything to do with Google 's data gathering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just let me know when it's opt-out.
I don't want anything to do with Google's data gathering.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608858</id>
	<title>already exists</title>
	<author>flok</author>
	<datestamp>1269522240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Such a thing (on-line electricity meter) already exists: <a href="http://www.flukso.net/" title="flukso.net">Flukso</a> [flukso.net] <br>
<br>
Linux-based with wifi uplink to the net and ethernet to configure it. Handles internet-connection downtime gracefully. Completely open so that you can tweak it if you wish to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Such a thing ( on-line electricity meter ) already exists : Flukso [ flukso.net ] Linux-based with wifi uplink to the net and ethernet to configure it .
Handles internet-connection downtime gracefully .
Completely open so that you can tweak it if you wish to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Such a thing (on-line electricity meter) already exists: Flukso [flukso.net] 

Linux-based with wifi uplink to the net and ethernet to configure it.
Handles internet-connection downtime gracefully.
Completely open so that you can tweak it if you wish to.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31610150</id>
	<title>Re:Handy for DEA...</title>
	<author>tbuskey</author>
	<datestamp>1269529980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder how often they crash a veggie grower's seedlings.</p><p>I have a few racks of lights and over 50 tomato seedlings growing on a heating mat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how often they crash a veggie grower 's seedlings.I have a few racks of lights and over 50 tomato seedlings growing on a heating mat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how often they crash a veggie grower's seedlings.I have a few racks of lights and over 50 tomato seedlings growing on a heating mat.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608848</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609902</id>
	<title>Re:already exists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269528660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flukso doesn't tell you that this thing is WORTHLESS for tracking normal amounts of current.  I looked into doing this exact thing, albeit with the TINI.  The thing that goes around your power cable - the "current transformer" - is only accurate if you are consuming &gt; 30\% of its rated value.  So for example, my main breaker is 200A.  If I install a 200A current transformer, it is only accurate if I am drawing more than 60 amps.  So it's only accurate if I'm drying clothes, running two microwaves and an air compressor, and cooking something.  If you downrate the current transformer - install a 100A transformer in a 200A breaker box - then you WILL have a fire in your breaker box at Thanksgiving when you're baking, cooking on the stove, running microwaves, etc. and drawing more than 100A.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flukso does n't tell you that this thing is WORTHLESS for tracking normal amounts of current .
I looked into doing this exact thing , albeit with the TINI .
The thing that goes around your power cable - the " current transformer " - is only accurate if you are consuming &gt; 30 \ % of its rated value .
So for example , my main breaker is 200A .
If I install a 200A current transformer , it is only accurate if I am drawing more than 60 amps .
So it 's only accurate if I 'm drying clothes , running two microwaves and an air compressor , and cooking something .
If you downrate the current transformer - install a 100A transformer in a 200A breaker box - then you WILL have a fire in your breaker box at Thanksgiving when you 're baking , cooking on the stove , running microwaves , etc .
and drawing more than 100A .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flukso doesn't tell you that this thing is WORTHLESS for tracking normal amounts of current.
I looked into doing this exact thing, albeit with the TINI.
The thing that goes around your power cable - the "current transformer" - is only accurate if you are consuming &gt; 30\% of its rated value.
So for example, my main breaker is 200A.
If I install a 200A current transformer, it is only accurate if I am drawing more than 60 amps.
So it's only accurate if I'm drying clothes, running two microwaves and an air compressor, and cooking something.
If you downrate the current transformer - install a 100A transformer in a 200A breaker box - then you WILL have a fire in your breaker box at Thanksgiving when you're baking, cooking on the stove, running microwaves, etc.
and drawing more than 100A.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608848</id>
	<title>Handy for DEA...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269522180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now the Man can monitor consumption and infer when a weed growing operation is up and running.</p><p>Note electricity consumption, cruise by with thermal cameras to verify, profit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now the Man can monitor consumption and infer when a weed growing operation is up and running.Note electricity consumption , cruise by with thermal cameras to verify , profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now the Man can monitor consumption and infer when a weed growing operation is up and running.Note electricity consumption, cruise by with thermal cameras to verify, profit!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609002</id>
	<title>Re:Want to check your consumption?</title>
	<author>TSchut</author>
	<datestamp>1269523320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, that's not hard. However, I suppose you want a finer grained time resolution, like 5 minutes or so. Otherwise it would be practically impossible to determine which apparatus is causing more-than-normal energy consumption.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , that 's not hard .
However , I suppose you want a finer grained time resolution , like 5 minutes or so .
Otherwise it would be practically impossible to determine which apparatus is causing more-than-normal energy consumption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, that's not hard.
However, I suppose you want a finer grained time resolution, like 5 minutes or so.
Otherwise it would be practically impossible to determine which apparatus is causing more-than-normal energy consumption.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608926</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31610456</id>
	<title>Re:skeptical</title>
	<author>swillden</author>
	<datestamp>1269531480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Am I the only one who is skeptical of these smart meter devices? I don't want hackers to be shut off my power or anything else.</p></div><p>The meters just clamp a detector around your main.  They have no ability to shut off or modify your power.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one who is skeptical of these smart meter devices ?
I do n't want hackers to be shut off my power or anything else.The meters just clamp a detector around your main .
They have no ability to shut off or modify your power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one who is skeptical of these smart meter devices?
I don't want hackers to be shut off my power or anything else.The meters just clamp a detector around your main.
They have no ability to shut off or modify your power.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609152</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609114</id>
	<title>Re:already exists</title>
	<author>jlp2097</author>
	<datestamp>1269524280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These devices are starting to get common in Europe (and maybe elsewehere) - they are called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart\_meter" title="wikipedia.org">smart meters</a> [wikipedia.org]. They will be required for a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart\_grid" title="wikipedia.org">smart grid</a> [wikipedia.org] which in turn is presumed to be required for mass deployment of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric\_car" title="wikipedia.org">electric cars</a> [wikipedia.org]. These devices are neither new nor did google invent something that hasn't existed before.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These devices are starting to get common in Europe ( and maybe elsewehere ) - they are called smart meters [ wikipedia.org ] .
They will be required for a smart grid [ wikipedia.org ] which in turn is presumed to be required for mass deployment of electric cars [ wikipedia.org ] .
These devices are neither new nor did google invent something that has n't existed before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These devices are starting to get common in Europe (and maybe elsewehere) - they are called smart meters [wikipedia.org].
They will be required for a smart grid [wikipedia.org] which in turn is presumed to be required for mass deployment of electric cars [wikipedia.org].
These devices are neither new nor did google invent something that hasn't existed before.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609846</id>
	<title>Power level</title>
	<author>VGPowerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1269528360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, now Google will be able to tell that my power level is <b>over 9000!</b>?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , now Google will be able to tell that my power level is over 9000 !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, now Google will be able to tell that my power level is over 9000!
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31610192</id>
	<title>Been in the UK a While</title>
	<author>consultant</author>
	<datestamp>1269530160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AlertMe have been doing this with Google for a while now.  <a href="http://www.alertme.com/products/alertme-energy/" title="alertme.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.alertme.com/products/alertme-energy/</a> [alertme.com]</p><p>Rumour has it that they may be setting up operations in the USA too soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AlertMe have been doing this with Google for a while now .
http : //www.alertme.com/products/alertme-energy/ [ alertme.com ] Rumour has it that they may be setting up operations in the USA too soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AlertMe have been doing this with Google for a while now.
http://www.alertme.com/products/alertme-energy/ [alertme.com]Rumour has it that they may be setting up operations in the USA too soon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31613986</id>
	<title>I hear Sergey is a common name in LATVERIA.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269542520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google is run by James Bond movie villains in the making.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google is run by James Bond movie villains in the making .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google is run by James Bond movie villains in the making.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31616728</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269508440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work on a smart meter project that sends this data to Google and I'm a developer very close to the process. It's a pretty cool concept, but if the data is coming from the *meter* it's going through the utility, which means you're probably going to have a 24 hour delay while it makes it's way through the corporate bullshitfrastructure. What I would want, is to go flip a switch and watch a line start going either up or down inside my home letting me know immediately.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work on a smart meter project that sends this data to Google and I 'm a developer very close to the process .
It 's a pretty cool concept , but if the data is coming from the * meter * it 's going through the utility , which means you 're probably going to have a 24 hour delay while it makes it 's way through the corporate bullshitfrastructure .
What I would want , is to go flip a switch and watch a line start going either up or down inside my home letting me know immediately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work on a smart meter project that sends this data to Google and I'm a developer very close to the process.
It's a pretty cool concept, but if the data is coming from the *meter* it's going through the utility, which means you're probably going to have a 24 hour delay while it makes it's way through the corporate bullshitfrastructure.
What I would want, is to go flip a switch and watch a line start going either up or down inside my home letting me know immediately.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31610018</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608866</id>
	<title>Already possible</title>
	<author>TSchut</author>
	<datestamp>1269522300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>There already exist devices which allow you to monitor your energy consumption by monitoring the dials in your meter box. For instance the dutch <a href="http://www.enymate.nl/artikelen/enymate\_lite" title="enymate.nl" rel="nofollow">http://www.enymate.nl/artikelen/enymate\_lite</a> [enymate.nl].<br> <br>Because this measures consumption by looking at the dial it is also possible to monitor gas and water consumption, and the measurements relate directly to the upcoming bill(s).<br> <br>Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with the linked company.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There already exist devices which allow you to monitor your energy consumption by monitoring the dials in your meter box .
For instance the dutch http : //www.enymate.nl/artikelen/enymate \ _lite [ enymate.nl ] .
Because this measures consumption by looking at the dial it is also possible to monitor gas and water consumption , and the measurements relate directly to the upcoming bill ( s ) .
Disclaimer : I am not affiliated with the linked company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There already exist devices which allow you to monitor your energy consumption by monitoring the dials in your meter box.
For instance the dutch http://www.enymate.nl/artikelen/enymate\_lite [enymate.nl].
Because this measures consumption by looking at the dial it is also possible to monitor gas and water consumption, and the measurements relate directly to the upcoming bill(s).
Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with the linked company.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609934</id>
	<title>Re:Soon - Google wants to be your valentine -</title>
	<author>delinear</author>
	<datestamp>1269528780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Reading this, I figured Google were setting up the most ridiculously elaborate burglary scheme ever. They've cased the outside of your house with Google Earth, maps and street view. They know you've bought a big shiny new plasma TV via your search history and Google pay, and they even know where it's located in your house because of the Youtube video you posted of your sweet media setup. They also see you've been looking at holidays and now suddenly they can tell your electricity usage has dropped indicating you're away from home...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading this , I figured Google were setting up the most ridiculously elaborate burglary scheme ever .
They 've cased the outside of your house with Google Earth , maps and street view .
They know you 've bought a big shiny new plasma TV via your search history and Google pay , and they even know where it 's located in your house because of the Youtube video you posted of your sweet media setup .
They also see you 've been looking at holidays and now suddenly they can tell your electricity usage has dropped indicating you 're away from home.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading this, I figured Google were setting up the most ridiculously elaborate burglary scheme ever.
They've cased the outside of your house with Google Earth, maps and street view.
They know you've bought a big shiny new plasma TV via your search history and Google pay, and they even know where it's located in your house because of the Youtube video you posted of your sweet media setup.
They also see you've been looking at holidays and now suddenly they can tell your electricity usage has dropped indicating you're away from home...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608840</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31611976</id>
	<title>Re:Handy for DEA...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269536520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like some amazing lucre...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like some amazing lucre.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like some amazing lucre...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608848</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609970</id>
	<title>Subscription service :(</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269528960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Already got an OWL energy meter in my place and its great, only thing about it is it doesn't offer a history just a current usage. They do offer a USB device for recording but it uses proprietary software which is just about unusable.</p><p>Would love to find a device that is capable of more, the ones linked from the google homepage are subscription services unfortunately.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Already got an OWL energy meter in my place and its great , only thing about it is it does n't offer a history just a current usage .
They do offer a USB device for recording but it uses proprietary software which is just about unusable.Would love to find a device that is capable of more , the ones linked from the google homepage are subscription services unfortunately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Already got an OWL energy meter in my place and its great, only thing about it is it doesn't offer a history just a current usage.
They do offer a USB device for recording but it uses proprietary software which is just about unusable.Would love to find a device that is capable of more, the ones linked from the google homepage are subscription services unfortunately.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609334</id>
	<title>Call me paranoid and a tool</title>
	<author>santax</author>
	<datestamp>1269525480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But sometimes I think google is just another way to say NSA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But sometimes I think google is just another way to say NSA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But sometimes I think google is just another way to say NSA.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31608978</id>
	<title>Doesn't Google want togo into power trading?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269523200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I seem to remember that elsewhere it was said that Google wanted to enter the power market. They are a pretty big consumer themselves and are apparently looking to be a supplier but as yet, are not a producer.</p><p>Energy trading is a complex game. Perhaps they hope to get a better advantage by themselves getting better knowledge of how much power people are busing and when.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I seem to remember that elsewhere it was said that Google wanted to enter the power market .
They are a pretty big consumer themselves and are apparently looking to be a supplier but as yet , are not a producer.Energy trading is a complex game .
Perhaps they hope to get a better advantage by themselves getting better knowledge of how much power people are busing and when .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I seem to remember that elsewhere it was said that Google wanted to enter the power market.
They are a pretty big consumer themselves and are apparently looking to be a supplier but as yet, are not a producer.Energy trading is a complex game.
Perhaps they hope to get a better advantage by themselves getting better knowledge of how much power people are busing and when.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609924</id>
	<title>Re:Want to check your consumption?</title>
	<author>Viol8</author>
	<datestamp>1269528720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"which apparatus is causing more-than-normal energy consumption."</p><p>Hint - it'll be one of the big ones. Switch them off in turn and you'll find out. Unless you have 10 TVs and a dozen washing machines<br>it won't take long.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" which apparatus is causing more-than-normal energy consumption .
" Hint - it 'll be one of the big ones .
Switch them off in turn and you 'll find out .
Unless you have 10 TVs and a dozen washing machinesit wo n't take long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"which apparatus is causing more-than-normal energy consumption.
"Hint - it'll be one of the big ones.
Switch them off in turn and you'll find out.
Unless you have 10 TVs and a dozen washing machinesit won't take long.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609002</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609796</id>
	<title>Re:skeptical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269528060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently made submission on this very topic as it is topical in European countries http://slashdot.org/submission/1199372/Government-Enforced-Smart-Metering but it did not get actually published. The current trend is that meter salesmen are lobbying politicians into forcing people to buy this. Privacy and security issues are glossed over, and there is no real evidence that you could achieve similar savings by simply following the procedures that other people have told are reducing energy consumption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently made submission on this very topic as it is topical in European countries http : //slashdot.org/submission/1199372/Government-Enforced-Smart-Metering but it did not get actually published .
The current trend is that meter salesmen are lobbying politicians into forcing people to buy this .
Privacy and security issues are glossed over , and there is no real evidence that you could achieve similar savings by simply following the procedures that other people have told are reducing energy consumption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently made submission on this very topic as it is topical in European countries http://slashdot.org/submission/1199372/Government-Enforced-Smart-Metering but it did not get actually published.
The current trend is that meter salesmen are lobbying politicians into forcing people to buy this.
Privacy and security issues are glossed over, and there is no real evidence that you could achieve similar savings by simply following the procedures that other people have told are reducing energy consumption.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_25_0318219.31609152</parent>
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