<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_24_2052223</id>
	<title>Who Should Own Your Smartphone?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269421980000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.infoworld.com/" rel="nofollow">snydeq</a> writes <i>"The great corporate barrier against employees using personal smartphones in business contexts has been breached, writes InfoWorld's Galen Gruman. According to a recent report from Forrester Research, half of the smartphones in use among US and Canadian businesses are not company-issued equipment. In fact, some organizations are even subsidizing employees' service plans as an easy way to avoid the procurement and management headaches of an increasingly standard piece of work equipment. Gruman discusses the pros and cons of <a href="http://infoworld.com/d/mobilize/who-should-own-your-smartphones-173">going with a subsidized, employee-owned smartphone plan</a>, which is part of a larger trend that sees <a href="http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/it-heresy-revisited-let-users-manage-their-own-pcs-461">IT loosening its grip on 'dual-use' devices</a>, including laptops and PCs."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>snydeq writes " The great corporate barrier against employees using personal smartphones in business contexts has been breached , writes InfoWorld 's Galen Gruman .
According to a recent report from Forrester Research , half of the smartphones in use among US and Canadian businesses are not company-issued equipment .
In fact , some organizations are even subsidizing employees ' service plans as an easy way to avoid the procurement and management headaches of an increasingly standard piece of work equipment .
Gruman discusses the pros and cons of going with a subsidized , employee-owned smartphone plan , which is part of a larger trend that sees IT loosening its grip on 'dual-use ' devices , including laptops and PCs .
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<sentencetext>snydeq writes "The great corporate barrier against employees using personal smartphones in business contexts has been breached, writes InfoWorld's Galen Gruman.
According to a recent report from Forrester Research, half of the smartphones in use among US and Canadian businesses are not company-issued equipment.
In fact, some organizations are even subsidizing employees' service plans as an easy way to avoid the procurement and management headaches of an increasingly standard piece of work equipment.
Gruman discusses the pros and cons of going with a subsidized, employee-owned smartphone plan, which is part of a larger trend that sees IT loosening its grip on 'dual-use' devices, including laptops and PCs.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604064</id>
	<title>TRWTF :)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269426840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TRWTF is of course that corporate procurement is so outdated and out of whack with reality. Any corporation where procuring a $1k/year service almost costs more in personnel costs should have its management publicly flogged by the shareholders.</p><p>Now, that would involve quite a lot of floggings I'm sure. Every US State capital would have the downtown closed to traffic for months<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TRWTF is of course that corporate procurement is so outdated and out of whack with reality .
Any corporation where procuring a $ 1k/year service almost costs more in personnel costs should have its management publicly flogged by the shareholders.Now , that would involve quite a lot of floggings I 'm sure .
Every US State capital would have the downtown closed to traffic for months : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TRWTF is of course that corporate procurement is so outdated and out of whack with reality.
Any corporation where procuring a $1k/year service almost costs more in personnel costs should have its management publicly flogged by the shareholders.Now, that would involve quite a lot of floggings I'm sure.
Every US State capital would have the downtown closed to traffic for months :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31607010</id>
	<title>Re:Nobody!</title>
	<author>Sporkinum</author>
	<datestamp>1269448080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same deal here. I was supposed to change to a Blackberry, like everyone else. Fortunately Verizon coverage sucks where I live so I was able to keep the Motorola flip phone. Longer battery life, and all I get are texts from my systems. No email BS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same deal here .
I was supposed to change to a Blackberry , like everyone else .
Fortunately Verizon coverage sucks where I live so I was able to keep the Motorola flip phone .
Longer battery life , and all I get are texts from my systems .
No email BS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same deal here.
I was supposed to change to a Blackberry, like everyone else.
Fortunately Verizon coverage sucks where I live so I was able to keep the Motorola flip phone.
Longer battery life, and all I get are texts from my systems.
No email BS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604374</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604184</id>
	<title>Re:I prefer complete independence, thanks</title>
	<author>nahdude812</author>
	<datestamp>1269427380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm with you.  So far I've never had a job where I was asked to carry a smartphone as part of my job, and I'm glad for that (I wouldn't say no, but I wouldn't like the idea).</p><p>If I ever <em>was</em> asked to carry a smartphone attached to my corporate email, I'd at least think about using my own device so I don't have to carry two.  I definitely don't want to do my personal business on the company-owned device, so I'd want my own, but depending on what degree I'd be able to keep my work and personal stuff separate on my personal phone, it might be a better option than two-fisting it.  But if they were going to try to claim any access to my phone at all, the deal would instantly be off, and I'll dual-wield, thank you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm with you .
So far I 've never had a job where I was asked to carry a smartphone as part of my job , and I 'm glad for that ( I would n't say no , but I would n't like the idea ) .If I ever was asked to carry a smartphone attached to my corporate email , I 'd at least think about using my own device so I do n't have to carry two .
I definitely do n't want to do my personal business on the company-owned device , so I 'd want my own , but depending on what degree I 'd be able to keep my work and personal stuff separate on my personal phone , it might be a better option than two-fisting it .
But if they were going to try to claim any access to my phone at all , the deal would instantly be off , and I 'll dual-wield , thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm with you.
So far I've never had a job where I was asked to carry a smartphone as part of my job, and I'm glad for that (I wouldn't say no, but I wouldn't like the idea).If I ever was asked to carry a smartphone attached to my corporate email, I'd at least think about using my own device so I don't have to carry two.
I definitely don't want to do my personal business on the company-owned device, so I'd want my own, but depending on what degree I'd be able to keep my work and personal stuff separate on my personal phone, it might be a better option than two-fisting it.
But if they were going to try to claim any access to my phone at all, the deal would instantly be off, and I'll dual-wield, thank you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603820</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603922</id>
	<title>Another Reason to Love My Employer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269426180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The rule where I work (Netflix) is simple:</p><p>1. We give you a Blackberry or an iPhone (you pick)<br>2. We pay for the plan<br>3. You use it responsibly<br>4. You figure out what "responsibly" means.<br>5. There is no Rule 5</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The rule where I work ( Netflix ) is simple : 1 .
We give you a Blackberry or an iPhone ( you pick ) 2 .
We pay for the plan3 .
You use it responsibly4 .
You figure out what " responsibly " means.5 .
There is no Rule 5</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rule where I work (Netflix) is simple:1.
We give you a Blackberry or an iPhone (you pick)2.
We pay for the plan3.
You use it responsibly4.
You figure out what "responsibly" means.5.
There is no Rule 5</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603930</id>
	<title>Been there, done that</title>
	<author>ATestR</author>
	<datestamp>1269426180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked for a year and a half (not in the IT industry) in a position where I had to carry a company phone... and I also carried my own phone, because the company phone was strictly business.  It is a hassle having to juggle two pieces of gear, especially since the job did not involve sitting at a desk.</p><p>That said, I'm all in favor of using my own phone for company business, as long as it doesn't burn through my minutes.  Since my current job does involve a desk and a land line, that isn't really an issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked for a year and a half ( not in the IT industry ) in a position where I had to carry a company phone... and I also carried my own phone , because the company phone was strictly business .
It is a hassle having to juggle two pieces of gear , especially since the job did not involve sitting at a desk.That said , I 'm all in favor of using my own phone for company business , as long as it does n't burn through my minutes .
Since my current job does involve a desk and a land line , that is n't really an issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked for a year and a half (not in the IT industry) in a position where I had to carry a company phone... and I also carried my own phone, because the company phone was strictly business.
It is a hassle having to juggle two pieces of gear, especially since the job did not involve sitting at a desk.That said, I'm all in favor of using my own phone for company business, as long as it doesn't burn through my minutes.
Since my current job does involve a desk and a land line, that isn't really an issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31605202</id>
	<title>Re:Another Reason to Love My Employer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269432780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have comparable rules;</p><p>1) You buy the phone.<br>2) You pay for the plan.<br>3) We require your phone number.<br>4) We must be able to contact you 7*24*365.<br>5) There is no Rule 5.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have comparable rules ; 1 ) You buy the phone.2 ) You pay for the plan.3 ) We require your phone number.4 ) We must be able to contact you 7 * 24 * 365.5 ) There is no Rule 5 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have comparable rules;1) You buy the phone.2) You pay for the plan.3) We require your phone number.4) We must be able to contact you 7*24*365.5) There is no Rule 5.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603922</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31606208</id>
	<title>Re:Call Forwarding</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269440040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds like it might be onto the long term solution: smart phones with the equivalent of two "rich" SIM cards.  Single phone, but two distinct numbers that be turned on/off independently, and have all data stored independently - the corporate account can be locked down as much as IT wants, and they can issue the SIM (or something similar) already configured.  For personal use, the other SIM can be as locked down or as open as the user wants.  Throw in some sort of computer based reader for the corporate SIM in the event of litigation and we have the best of both worlds.  I imagine there is potential to virtualize the SIM, though having physically separate ones does have some advantages.  Blackberry would be the logical place for this to start.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like it might be onto the long term solution : smart phones with the equivalent of two " rich " SIM cards .
Single phone , but two distinct numbers that be turned on/off independently , and have all data stored independently - the corporate account can be locked down as much as IT wants , and they can issue the SIM ( or something similar ) already configured .
For personal use , the other SIM can be as locked down or as open as the user wants .
Throw in some sort of computer based reader for the corporate SIM in the event of litigation and we have the best of both worlds .
I imagine there is potential to virtualize the SIM , though having physically separate ones does have some advantages .
Blackberry would be the logical place for this to start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like it might be onto the long term solution: smart phones with the equivalent of two "rich" SIM cards.
Single phone, but two distinct numbers that be turned on/off independently, and have all data stored independently - the corporate account can be locked down as much as IT wants, and they can issue the SIM (or something similar) already configured.
For personal use, the other SIM can be as locked down or as open as the user wants.
Throw in some sort of computer based reader for the corporate SIM in the event of litigation and we have the best of both worlds.
I imagine there is potential to virtualize the SIM, though having physically separate ones does have some advantages.
Blackberry would be the logical place for this to start.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604060</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31605854</id>
	<title>Re:Another Reason to Love My Employer</title>
	<author>sasha328</author>
	<datestamp>1269437580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a similar situation at my employers:</p><p>You get a choice of Nokia E series or Windows Mobile phones (usually HTC). The reason being they both support MS Exchange email.<br>The company pays for the plan, and the phone can be used for personal calls becuase we're on a hight corporate plan, and unless you're a heavy user (we have people racking thousands $ in monthly bills because of roaming) then your bill will be reasonable.</p><p>This is the reason why when I joined the company, I signed over my phone number to the company so I don't have to carry two phones. The company has no qualms about signing over the number again if you decide to leave (seen that with other employees who have left)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a similar situation at my employers : You get a choice of Nokia E series or Windows Mobile phones ( usually HTC ) .
The reason being they both support MS Exchange email.The company pays for the plan , and the phone can be used for personal calls becuase we 're on a hight corporate plan , and unless you 're a heavy user ( we have people racking thousands $ in monthly bills because of roaming ) then your bill will be reasonable.This is the reason why when I joined the company , I signed over my phone number to the company so I do n't have to carry two phones .
The company has no qualms about signing over the number again if you decide to leave ( seen that with other employees who have left )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a similar situation at my employers:You get a choice of Nokia E series or Windows Mobile phones (usually HTC).
The reason being they both support MS Exchange email.The company pays for the plan, and the phone can be used for personal calls becuase we're on a hight corporate plan, and unless you're a heavy user (we have people racking thousands $ in monthly bills because of roaming) then your bill will be reasonable.This is the reason why when I joined the company, I signed over my phone number to the company so I don't have to carry two phones.
The company has no qualms about signing over the number again if you decide to leave (seen that with other employees who have left)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603922</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603854</id>
	<title>I should</title>
	<author>AuMatar</author>
	<datestamp>1269425940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because if I'm carrying it at all times, then I'm using it for personal reasons.  As such, to keep my privacy I'll use my own.  If they want to pay for some/all of the plan I'll take the money as reimbursement, but I want the control.</p><p>Of course, I don't even tell my employer that I own a cell phone.  I don't feel like being 24/7 on call for them, and after hours calls from them  go directly to voicemail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because if I 'm carrying it at all times , then I 'm using it for personal reasons .
As such , to keep my privacy I 'll use my own .
If they want to pay for some/all of the plan I 'll take the money as reimbursement , but I want the control.Of course , I do n't even tell my employer that I own a cell phone .
I do n't feel like being 24/7 on call for them , and after hours calls from them go directly to voicemail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because if I'm carrying it at all times, then I'm using it for personal reasons.
As such, to keep my privacy I'll use my own.
If they want to pay for some/all of the plan I'll take the money as reimbursement, but I want the control.Of course, I don't even tell my employer that I own a cell phone.
I don't feel like being 24/7 on call for them, and after hours calls from them  go directly to voicemail.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31635504</id>
	<title>smart phone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269615120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a better question who should be in charge of what apps you do and do not put on your phone.<br>As if you payed for it you own it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a better question who should be in charge of what apps you do and do not put on your phone.As if you payed for it you own it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a better question who should be in charge of what apps you do and do not put on your phone.As if you payed for it you own it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604338</id>
	<title>Still not protected.</title>
	<author>gillbates</author>
	<datestamp>1269428040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Anything of yours can be subpoenaed in a lawsuit.  Northwest Airlines <a href="http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595\_22-96120.html?legacy=zdnn" title="zdnet.com">subpoenaed</a> [zdnet.com] the *personal* computers of their employees when they suspected their employees were getting too uppity^H^H^H^H^H^H, I mean, striking by calling in sick.
</p><p>
It hardly matters if you use encryption, etc... the legal discovery process can violate whatever privacy you thought you had.  It only takes a credible allegation of wrongdoing - not even "beyond a reasonable doubt" - to discover all of your personal files, etc... and, because only money is involved, the plaintiff needs only show guilt by a "preponderance of the evidence", or more succinctly, that it is likely that you did it.  If you think you can get smart by encrypting your files, it's likely you'll be held in contempt of court, and have a summary judgment entered against you.
</p><p>
The only thing paying for the hardware means is that you'll eventually get it back, usually.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anything of yours can be subpoenaed in a lawsuit .
Northwest Airlines subpoenaed [ zdnet.com ] the * personal * computers of their employees when they suspected their employees were getting too uppity ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H , I mean , striking by calling in sick .
It hardly matters if you use encryption , etc... the legal discovery process can violate whatever privacy you thought you had .
It only takes a credible allegation of wrongdoing - not even " beyond a reasonable doubt " - to discover all of your personal files , etc... and , because only money is involved , the plaintiff needs only show guilt by a " preponderance of the evidence " , or more succinctly , that it is likely that you did it .
If you think you can get smart by encrypting your files , it 's likely you 'll be held in contempt of court , and have a summary judgment entered against you .
The only thing paying for the hardware means is that you 'll eventually get it back , usually .</tokentext>
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Anything of yours can be subpoenaed in a lawsuit.
Northwest Airlines subpoenaed [zdnet.com] the *personal* computers of their employees when they suspected their employees were getting too uppity^H^H^H^H^H^H, I mean, striking by calling in sick.
It hardly matters if you use encryption, etc... the legal discovery process can violate whatever privacy you thought you had.
It only takes a credible allegation of wrongdoing - not even "beyond a reasonable doubt" - to discover all of your personal files, etc... and, because only money is involved, the plaintiff needs only show guilt by a "preponderance of the evidence", or more succinctly, that it is likely that you did it.
If you think you can get smart by encrypting your files, it's likely you'll be held in contempt of court, and have a summary judgment entered against you.
The only thing paying for the hardware means is that you'll eventually get it back, usually.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603820</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604182</id>
	<title>Re:I prefer complete independence, thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269427380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fine. However, do not expect to connect to any of our gear, including email servers (pop, imap, exchange, what have you). VPN is out as well (for phones like the iPhone that support business VPN). Your phone, our gear, never the twain shall meet.</p><p>- IT</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fine .
However , do not expect to connect to any of our gear , including email servers ( pop , imap , exchange , what have you ) .
VPN is out as well ( for phones like the iPhone that support business VPN ) .
Your phone , our gear , never the twain shall meet.- IT</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fine.
However, do not expect to connect to any of our gear, including email servers (pop, imap, exchange, what have you).
VPN is out as well (for phones like the iPhone that support business VPN).
Your phone, our gear, never the twain shall meet.- IT</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603820</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604060</id>
	<title>Call Forwarding</title>
	<author>zero0ne</author>
	<datestamp>1269426840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Current setup:</p><p>Work phone is a crappy blackberry pearl (the "keyboard" on it sucks).</p><p>Personal phone is a HTC Hero.</p><p>I simply have the blackberry forward all calls to my personal cell phone.  This way if I ever leave the company, the HTC is still mine, if they need the work phone back because they are investigating something, I simply remove the call forwarding setup and give it back to them.</p><p>Only downside is if you miss a call that was forwarded to you, when you call back they get to see your personal cell phone number.  This could be avoided by instead having the work phone forward to a google voice account #, and then on the personal phone, just use google voice to return calls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Current setup : Work phone is a crappy blackberry pearl ( the " keyboard " on it sucks ) .Personal phone is a HTC Hero.I simply have the blackberry forward all calls to my personal cell phone .
This way if I ever leave the company , the HTC is still mine , if they need the work phone back because they are investigating something , I simply remove the call forwarding setup and give it back to them.Only downside is if you miss a call that was forwarded to you , when you call back they get to see your personal cell phone number .
This could be avoided by instead having the work phone forward to a google voice account # , and then on the personal phone , just use google voice to return calls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Current setup:Work phone is a crappy blackberry pearl (the "keyboard" on it sucks).Personal phone is a HTC Hero.I simply have the blackberry forward all calls to my personal cell phone.
This way if I ever leave the company, the HTC is still mine, if they need the work phone back because they are investigating something, I simply remove the call forwarding setup and give it back to them.Only downside is if you miss a call that was forwarded to you, when you call back they get to see your personal cell phone number.
This could be avoided by instead having the work phone forward to a google voice account #, and then on the personal phone, just use google voice to return calls.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604866</id>
	<title>Re:I prefer complete independence, thanks</title>
	<author>Stonesand</author>
	<datestamp>1269430680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you carry a personal phone with a camera in it into a business, you open yourself up to a world of trouble, if the business wants to get nasty.  Maybe you didn't take a picture of the secret plans and send them out to all their competitors, but if you're serious about not opening yourself up to trouble, don't carry in a personal phone.  I suppose it depends on your job...</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you carry a personal phone with a camera in it into a business , you open yourself up to a world of trouble , if the business wants to get nasty .
Maybe you did n't take a picture of the secret plans and send them out to all their competitors , but if you 're serious about not opening yourself up to trouble , do n't carry in a personal phone .
I suppose it depends on your job.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you carry a personal phone with a camera in it into a business, you open yourself up to a world of trouble, if the business wants to get nasty.
Maybe you didn't take a picture of the secret plans and send them out to all their competitors, but if you're serious about not opening yourself up to trouble, don't carry in a personal phone.
I suppose it depends on your job...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603820</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603862</id>
	<title>Is that a trick question?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269426000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My smartphone is mine. If the company wants me to carry theirs, they have to pay me. It might be tempting to use a company-issued phone for personal stuff, but personally I like to keep my data under my control, which you just can't do with someone else's hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My smartphone is mine .
If the company wants me to carry theirs , they have to pay me .
It might be tempting to use a company-issued phone for personal stuff , but personally I like to keep my data under my control , which you just ca n't do with someone else 's hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My smartphone is mine.
If the company wants me to carry theirs, they have to pay me.
It might be tempting to use a company-issued phone for personal stuff, but personally I like to keep my data under my control, which you just can't do with someone else's hardware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603890</id>
	<title>Security and restrictions</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1269426060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you care about securing smartphones, laptops, etc? Do you want to reserve the right to restrict their use?</p><p>If they can access and store company information, introduce infections into company systems, or pull customer information, then maybe you should reconsider the cost-saving approach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you care about securing smartphones , laptops , etc ?
Do you want to reserve the right to restrict their use ? If they can access and store company information , introduce infections into company systems , or pull customer information , then maybe you should reconsider the cost-saving approach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you care about securing smartphones, laptops, etc?
Do you want to reserve the right to restrict their use?If they can access and store company information, introduce infections into company systems, or pull customer information, then maybe you should reconsider the cost-saving approach.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31605012</id>
	<title>Re:I prefer complete independence, thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269431580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/SHODAN.ogg" title="wikimedia.org" rel="nofollow">Look at you, Hacker</a> [wikimedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , Look at you , Hacker [ wikimedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, Look at you, Hacker [wikimedia.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604710</id>
	<title>Re:Another Reason to Love My Employer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269429720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is true for the famous<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com that I work for as well. Not for everybody, but at least for us here in the hirer ranks of engineering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is true for the famous .com that I work for as well .
Not for everybody , but at least for us here in the hirer ranks of engineering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is true for the famous .com that I work for as well.
Not for everybody, but at least for us here in the hirer ranks of engineering.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603922</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604046</id>
	<title>Missing option</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269426780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cowboyneal of course</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cowboyneal of course</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cowboyneal of course</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31607592</id>
	<title>Re:Call Forwarding</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269457320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not just take the number from your personal phone and then make the call from your work phone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not just take the number from your personal phone and then make the call from your work phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not just take the number from your personal phone and then make the call from your work phone?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604060</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31606088</id>
	<title>Re:I prefer complete independence, thanks</title>
	<author>barzok</author>
	<datestamp>1269439020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Try providing technical support or troubleshooting a single error for 15 different platforms</p></div></blockquote><p>My company is in the process of phasing in this sort of policy (BYODevice). The company will support you as far as getting connected to our systems (via BBES, for example) - technical support &amp; troubleshooting of the devices and the software is left to the wireless provider. Which is part of the point of the whole thing - the company doesn't have to pay employees to do that support.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try providing technical support or troubleshooting a single error for 15 different platformsMy company is in the process of phasing in this sort of policy ( BYODevice ) .
The company will support you as far as getting connected to our systems ( via BBES , for example ) - technical support &amp; troubleshooting of the devices and the software is left to the wireless provider .
Which is part of the point of the whole thing - the company does n't have to pay employees to do that support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try providing technical support or troubleshooting a single error for 15 different platformsMy company is in the process of phasing in this sort of policy (BYODevice).
The company will support you as far as getting connected to our systems (via BBES, for example) - technical support &amp; troubleshooting of the devices and the software is left to the wireless provider.
Which is part of the point of the whole thing - the company doesn't have to pay employees to do that support.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604026</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604026</id>
	<title>Re:I prefer complete independence, thanks</title>
	<author>L3370</author>
	<datestamp>1269426720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext> You have no idea how many people are completely willing to do what you want to avoid.<br> <br>
We have a ton of people with their own blackberries signing up. They all are informed several times by us that their phone is open for legal discovery and a possible remote wipe if needed.<br> <br>
As the IT person, I DON'T use my personal phone. And I'd rather not. I don't understand why my company is ok with the use of personal phones...it just seems like so much unecessary liability and extra work. Personal devices aren't just a security risk, its an administration nightmare. Try providing technical support or troubleshooting a single error for 15 different platforms. It sucks. And it eats up time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You have no idea how many people are completely willing to do what you want to avoid .
We have a ton of people with their own blackberries signing up .
They all are informed several times by us that their phone is open for legal discovery and a possible remote wipe if needed .
As the IT person , I DO N'T use my personal phone .
And I 'd rather not .
I do n't understand why my company is ok with the use of personal phones...it just seems like so much unecessary liability and extra work .
Personal devices are n't just a security risk , its an administration nightmare .
Try providing technical support or troubleshooting a single error for 15 different platforms .
It sucks .
And it eats up time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> You have no idea how many people are completely willing to do what you want to avoid.
We have a ton of people with their own blackberries signing up.
They all are informed several times by us that their phone is open for legal discovery and a possible remote wipe if needed.
As the IT person, I DON'T use my personal phone.
And I'd rather not.
I don't understand why my company is ok with the use of personal phones...it just seems like so much unecessary liability and extra work.
Personal devices aren't just a security risk, its an administration nightmare.
Try providing technical support or troubleshooting a single error for 15 different platforms.
It sucks.
And it eats up time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31605660</id>
	<title>My employer owns mine....</title>
	<author>heffrey</author>
	<datestamp>1269435900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and pays for all calls. Nice little tax break for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and pays for all calls .
Nice little tax break for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and pays for all calls.
Nice little tax break for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31605156</id>
	<title>Re:I prefer complete independence, thanks</title>
	<author>Platinumrat</author>
	<datestamp>1269432480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's easy to see why any company is ok with this (or more acurately part of the company).  It comes down to $$$$$$$$.   If I don't own it, then it doesn't appear on the books as capital and the company saves money.  You see, a manager doesn't want to pay for anything they don't have to.   In fact a lot of their bonuses revolve around reducing costs and this would seem an easy way to achieve that.  I.e pass some of the cost onto the employee.</p><p>I personally carry two phones, one personal and one for the company.  At night when I go home, I turn the company phone off.  Out of office is my time and they're not paying me for it.  The only time I leave it on after hours, is when I'm overseas for site work.  Then I will redirect my personal phone to the and office phone to the work mobile. </p><p>This is for two reasons:</p><p> 1: I shouldn't have to bear the global roaming costs of familiy and friends wanting to call me.</p><p> 2: Safety, in case the local county rep needs to inform me of dangerous situations and arrange evacuation medical aid, etc....</p><p>I the company wanted me to use a personal phone for company business, then my view is that will be on my terms, not theirs.  Including the ability to download and run whatever software I want on it.  No way would I submit to their placing remote wipe software or other "security" measures on my property.  Their responsibility is to protect the companies property, not mine.  Conversely, I will protect my property.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's easy to see why any company is ok with this ( or more acurately part of the company ) .
It comes down to $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ .
If I do n't own it , then it does n't appear on the books as capital and the company saves money .
You see , a manager does n't want to pay for anything they do n't have to .
In fact a lot of their bonuses revolve around reducing costs and this would seem an easy way to achieve that .
I.e pass some of the cost onto the employee.I personally carry two phones , one personal and one for the company .
At night when I go home , I turn the company phone off .
Out of office is my time and they 're not paying me for it .
The only time I leave it on after hours , is when I 'm overseas for site work .
Then I will redirect my personal phone to the and office phone to the work mobile .
This is for two reasons : 1 : I should n't have to bear the global roaming costs of familiy and friends wanting to call me .
2 : Safety , in case the local county rep needs to inform me of dangerous situations and arrange evacuation medical aid , etc....I the company wanted me to use a personal phone for company business , then my view is that will be on my terms , not theirs .
Including the ability to download and run whatever software I want on it .
No way would I submit to their placing remote wipe software or other " security " measures on my property .
Their responsibility is to protect the companies property , not mine .
Conversely , I will protect my property .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's easy to see why any company is ok with this (or more acurately part of the company).
It comes down to $$$$$$$$.
If I don't own it, then it doesn't appear on the books as capital and the company saves money.
You see, a manager doesn't want to pay for anything they don't have to.
In fact a lot of their bonuses revolve around reducing costs and this would seem an easy way to achieve that.
I.e pass some of the cost onto the employee.I personally carry two phones, one personal and one for the company.
At night when I go home, I turn the company phone off.
Out of office is my time and they're not paying me for it.
The only time I leave it on after hours, is when I'm overseas for site work.
Then I will redirect my personal phone to the and office phone to the work mobile.
This is for two reasons: 1: I shouldn't have to bear the global roaming costs of familiy and friends wanting to call me.
2: Safety, in case the local county rep needs to inform me of dangerous situations and arrange evacuation medical aid, etc....I the company wanted me to use a personal phone for company business, then my view is that will be on my terms, not theirs.
Including the ability to download and run whatever software I want on it.
No way would I submit to their placing remote wipe software or other "security" measures on my property.
Their responsibility is to protect the companies property, not mine.
Conversely, I will protect my property.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604026</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604256</id>
	<title>HR issues</title>
	<author>dave562</author>
	<datestamp>1269427740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where I work a policy had to be implemented limiting the use of personal devices to access work resources (ie email).  There are a lot of hourly employees here and by law if an hourly employee responds to an email after hours, they need to be paid for time worked.  HR decided that they didn't want to deal with tracking all of the random hours so they just implemented a policy that denies employee devices on the network.  If there are outlier cases like where an hourly employee needs to help with an after hours event, they are given a Blackberry.</p><p>For the rest of the staff, they are encouraged to buy their own devices.  The organization saves money on repair bills and the employees tend to take better care of their devices.  Once they realize what the replacement cost on a smartphone is, they stop dropping them and mishandling them.  Our director of development was the worst.  She went through three phones in a single year.  Since she was put on the hook for her own device costs, she has miraculously managed to not damage or lose it.  The organization still pays for the monthly calling / data plans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where I work a policy had to be implemented limiting the use of personal devices to access work resources ( ie email ) .
There are a lot of hourly employees here and by law if an hourly employee responds to an email after hours , they need to be paid for time worked .
HR decided that they did n't want to deal with tracking all of the random hours so they just implemented a policy that denies employee devices on the network .
If there are outlier cases like where an hourly employee needs to help with an after hours event , they are given a Blackberry.For the rest of the staff , they are encouraged to buy their own devices .
The organization saves money on repair bills and the employees tend to take better care of their devices .
Once they realize what the replacement cost on a smartphone is , they stop dropping them and mishandling them .
Our director of development was the worst .
She went through three phones in a single year .
Since she was put on the hook for her own device costs , she has miraculously managed to not damage or lose it .
The organization still pays for the monthly calling / data plans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where I work a policy had to be implemented limiting the use of personal devices to access work resources (ie email).
There are a lot of hourly employees here and by law if an hourly employee responds to an email after hours, they need to be paid for time worked.
HR decided that they didn't want to deal with tracking all of the random hours so they just implemented a policy that denies employee devices on the network.
If there are outlier cases like where an hourly employee needs to help with an after hours event, they are given a Blackberry.For the rest of the staff, they are encouraged to buy their own devices.
The organization saves money on repair bills and the employees tend to take better care of their devices.
Once they realize what the replacement cost on a smartphone is, they stop dropping them and mishandling them.
Our director of development was the worst.
She went through three phones in a single year.
Since she was put on the hook for her own device costs, she has miraculously managed to not damage or lose it.
The organization still pays for the monthly calling / data plans.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31605184</id>
	<title>Re:I prefer complete independence, thanks</title>
	<author>bigstrat2003</author>
	<datestamp>1269432660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally, I'm not so concerned about the "company could assert some ownership over my device" angle, so much as the "I'm not on call so my Blackberry is at home, good luck reaching me" angle. I try to keep work out of my personal life as much as possible, no way in hell am I going to get work mail on my personal smartphone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I 'm not so concerned about the " company could assert some ownership over my device " angle , so much as the " I 'm not on call so my Blackberry is at home , good luck reaching me " angle .
I try to keep work out of my personal life as much as possible , no way in hell am I going to get work mail on my personal smartphone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I'm not so concerned about the "company could assert some ownership over my device" angle, so much as the "I'm not on call so my Blackberry is at home, good luck reaching me" angle.
I try to keep work out of my personal life as much as possible, no way in hell am I going to get work mail on my personal smartphone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603824</id>
	<title>Depends on usage</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1269425880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would always want my own unrestricted phone under my own control. If, as the case is now, that phone gets light-moderate work related use, that's fine since it beats the other option of having 2 phones. Also, if I drop or break it, there's no drama (apart from having to replace it). Now if I was using the phone for hours each day, I'd be wanting a separate work phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would always want my own unrestricted phone under my own control .
If , as the case is now , that phone gets light-moderate work related use , that 's fine since it beats the other option of having 2 phones .
Also , if I drop or break it , there 's no drama ( apart from having to replace it ) .
Now if I was using the phone for hours each day , I 'd be wanting a separate work phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would always want my own unrestricted phone under my own control.
If, as the case is now, that phone gets light-moderate work related use, that's fine since it beats the other option of having 2 phones.
Also, if I drop or break it, there's no drama (apart from having to replace it).
Now if I was using the phone for hours each day, I'd be wanting a separate work phone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604788</id>
	<title>Re:Another Reason to Love My Employer</title>
	<author>VoltageX</author>
	<datestamp>1269430200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So what usage have you seen among your co-workers? Are they "responsible"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So what usage have you seen among your co-workers ?
Are they " responsible " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what usage have you seen among your co-workers?
Are they "responsible"?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603922</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31606476</id>
	<title>Libertarian response</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1269442320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not that I'm one of those extremists but this is pretty well clear cut, despite the obfuscation by telco's, HR and so forth<br> <br>

Who paid for it? That's who owns it.<br> <br>

Now if you are being compensated by your employer then you are contracting your property to the employer, the employer can place stipulations on the contract which you are free not to agree to and not sign the contract. This is quite clear in Australian contract and tax law. I own the device, employer contracts the device from me which is why I need and ABN (Australian Business Number) to be a part of an employee lease scheme.<br> <br>

For small business in Australia this kind of thing is becoming quite popular for laptops, phones, cars and other work related devices. Of course the contract stipulates things like warranty lengths, specifications and the right to wipe all data when leaving the company but this is made known before signing the contract so nothing underhanded is going on. Tax benifits are good also despite the fact they clamped down on it a few years ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not that I 'm one of those extremists but this is pretty well clear cut , despite the obfuscation by telco 's , HR and so forth Who paid for it ?
That 's who owns it .
Now if you are being compensated by your employer then you are contracting your property to the employer , the employer can place stipulations on the contract which you are free not to agree to and not sign the contract .
This is quite clear in Australian contract and tax law .
I own the device , employer contracts the device from me which is why I need and ABN ( Australian Business Number ) to be a part of an employee lease scheme .
For small business in Australia this kind of thing is becoming quite popular for laptops , phones , cars and other work related devices .
Of course the contract stipulates things like warranty lengths , specifications and the right to wipe all data when leaving the company but this is made known before signing the contract so nothing underhanded is going on .
Tax benifits are good also despite the fact they clamped down on it a few years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not that I'm one of those extremists but this is pretty well clear cut, despite the obfuscation by telco's, HR and so forth 

Who paid for it?
That's who owns it.
Now if you are being compensated by your employer then you are contracting your property to the employer, the employer can place stipulations on the contract which you are free not to agree to and not sign the contract.
This is quite clear in Australian contract and tax law.
I own the device, employer contracts the device from me which is why I need and ABN (Australian Business Number) to be a part of an employee lease scheme.
For small business in Australia this kind of thing is becoming quite popular for laptops, phones, cars and other work related devices.
Of course the contract stipulates things like warranty lengths, specifications and the right to wipe all data when leaving the company but this is made known before signing the contract so nothing underhanded is going on.
Tax benifits are good also despite the fact they clamped down on it a few years ago.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31605430</id>
	<title>Heck, I work for a mobile phone company....</title>
	<author>Icepick\_</author>
	<datestamp>1269434400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And they make me pay for my own service.   Discounted, but I still have to pay.   The phone is mine.</p><p>And because of this, I can refuse to receive work email on it.  Come 5 pm, I'm out, and I'll be back tomorrow.   No answering mail at 2 am for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And they make me pay for my own service .
Discounted , but I still have to pay .
The phone is mine.And because of this , I can refuse to receive work email on it .
Come 5 pm , I 'm out , and I 'll be back tomorrow .
No answering mail at 2 am for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And they make me pay for my own service.
Discounted, but I still have to pay.
The phone is mine.And because of this, I can refuse to receive work email on it.
Come 5 pm, I'm out, and I'll be back tomorrow.
No answering mail at 2 am for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603986</id>
	<title>Re:It can be a blurry line</title>
	<author>ducomputergeek</author>
	<datestamp>1269426480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Granted, we're a smaller company, but we've taken the opposite approach.  In the office, you either have a Mac Mini or an iMac.  But when people are hired, we pay them a $3,500 signing bonus with the expectation that it is to buy a new laptop of their choice.  Overwhelmingly they buy MacBook Pro's and add XP or Windows 7 with VMware/Parallels and we add $45 to the first paycheck of the month to cover data plans and "business" minutes/texts on their cell phones.</p><p>We find that they usually take much better care of the laptops when it's "their" laptop and it beats having to carry two cell phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Granted , we 're a smaller company , but we 've taken the opposite approach .
In the office , you either have a Mac Mini or an iMac .
But when people are hired , we pay them a $ 3,500 signing bonus with the expectation that it is to buy a new laptop of their choice .
Overwhelmingly they buy MacBook Pro 's and add XP or Windows 7 with VMware/Parallels and we add $ 45 to the first paycheck of the month to cover data plans and " business " minutes/texts on their cell phones.We find that they usually take much better care of the laptops when it 's " their " laptop and it beats having to carry two cell phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Granted, we're a smaller company, but we've taken the opposite approach.
In the office, you either have a Mac Mini or an iMac.
But when people are hired, we pay them a $3,500 signing bonus with the expectation that it is to buy a new laptop of their choice.
Overwhelmingly they buy MacBook Pro's and add XP or Windows 7 with VMware/Parallels and we add $45 to the first paycheck of the month to cover data plans and "business" minutes/texts on their cell phones.We find that they usually take much better care of the laptops when it's "their" laptop and it beats having to carry two cell phones.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603962</id>
	<title>Re:It can be a blurry line</title>
	<author>j-turkey</author>
	<datestamp>1269426360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even though I own my own <a href="http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/" title="nokia.com">smartphone</a> [nokia.com],<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...where I work (a very large IT company) there is an increasingly lengthy list
of requirements and checks for any device connected to the corporate network...</p></div><p>
This is the big issue with ownership &amp; management - requirements for devices to utilize company resources (and whether or not the device needs to utilize company network resources).  If the device will connect to the company network, the IT department has a very good case for managing (and/or owning) the device.  It really comes down to network security, and disallowing rogue devices from connecting to the network.  In a large company with many IT resources (and many to protect), it's far easier to say that the company owns and manages the device.  In a small or mid-sized company, where there is less IT infrastructure to protect, or less need to weigh security against usability/ease-of-management, there is a better case to be made for user owned and managed devices.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even though I own my own smartphone [ nokia.com ] , ...where I work ( a very large IT company ) there is an increasingly lengthy list of requirements and checks for any device connected to the corporate network.. . This is the big issue with ownership &amp; management - requirements for devices to utilize company resources ( and whether or not the device needs to utilize company network resources ) .
If the device will connect to the company network , the IT department has a very good case for managing ( and/or owning ) the device .
It really comes down to network security , and disallowing rogue devices from connecting to the network .
In a large company with many IT resources ( and many to protect ) , it 's far easier to say that the company owns and manages the device .
In a small or mid-sized company , where there is less IT infrastructure to protect , or less need to weigh security against usability/ease-of-management , there is a better case to be made for user owned and managed devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even though I own my own smartphone [nokia.com], ...where I work (a very large IT company) there is an increasingly lengthy list
of requirements and checks for any device connected to the corporate network...
This is the big issue with ownership &amp; management - requirements for devices to utilize company resources (and whether or not the device needs to utilize company network resources).
If the device will connect to the company network, the IT department has a very good case for managing (and/or owning) the device.
It really comes down to network security, and disallowing rogue devices from connecting to the network.
In a large company with many IT resources (and many to protect), it's far easier to say that the company owns and manages the device.
In a small or mid-sized company, where there is less IT infrastructure to protect, or less need to weigh security against usability/ease-of-management, there is a better case to be made for user owned and managed devices.

	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31610162</id>
	<title>Re:It can be a blurry line</title>
	<author>YouWantFriesWithThat</author>
	<datestamp>1269529980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>holy shit.  if someone gave me a $3,500 check and told me to buy a laptop i would assume them to be some kind of harmless, but brain damaged, philanthropic employer.  then i would buy the nicest $800 laptop that i could find.
<br> <br>
damn.  so, are they hiring?</htmltext>
<tokenext>holy shit .
if someone gave me a $ 3,500 check and told me to buy a laptop i would assume them to be some kind of harmless , but brain damaged , philanthropic employer .
then i would buy the nicest $ 800 laptop that i could find .
damn. so , are they hiring ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>holy shit.
if someone gave me a $3,500 check and told me to buy a laptop i would assume them to be some kind of harmless, but brain damaged, philanthropic employer.
then i would buy the nicest $800 laptop that i could find.
damn.  so, are they hiring?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603986</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31605594</id>
	<title>VPN / Wireless office</title>
	<author>justleavealonemmmkay</author>
	<datestamp>1269435360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't have cheap intra-company calls and VPN Value Added Services if you're just paying the employee's bill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't have cheap intra-company calls and VPN Value Added Services if you 're just paying the employee 's bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't have cheap intra-company calls and VPN Value Added Services if you're just paying the employee's bill.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604488</id>
	<title>Re:It can be a blurry line</title>
	<author>omgwtfroflbbqwasd</author>
	<datestamp>1269428640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First things first. Is "company data" - email, contacts, files - accessible from your phone?  If so, they have a vested interest in making sure that data is not compromised when your phone is lost or stolen.  As a result, PIN/password requirements, encryption, antivirus, and remote wipe capabilities are generally required.  In some cases where devices have a tunnel to the corporate network (Blackberry), they will possibly want to control what apps you install to prevent malicious ones from accessing the corporate network via your BES server.</p><p>
Most laypeople don't have any clue about protecting company data on a regular basis, they just want their data instantly and aren't concerned with what happens in a worst-case scenario.  "Oops, it got stolen.  Guess I need to get the latest model now!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First things first .
Is " company data " - email , contacts , files - accessible from your phone ?
If so , they have a vested interest in making sure that data is not compromised when your phone is lost or stolen .
As a result , PIN/password requirements , encryption , antivirus , and remote wipe capabilities are generally required .
In some cases where devices have a tunnel to the corporate network ( Blackberry ) , they will possibly want to control what apps you install to prevent malicious ones from accessing the corporate network via your BES server .
Most laypeople do n't have any clue about protecting company data on a regular basis , they just want their data instantly and are n't concerned with what happens in a worst-case scenario .
" Oops , it got stolen .
Guess I need to get the latest model now !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First things first.
Is "company data" - email, contacts, files - accessible from your phone?
If so, they have a vested interest in making sure that data is not compromised when your phone is lost or stolen.
As a result, PIN/password requirements, encryption, antivirus, and remote wipe capabilities are generally required.
In some cases where devices have a tunnel to the corporate network (Blackberry), they will possibly want to control what apps you install to prevent malicious ones from accessing the corporate network via your BES server.
Most laypeople don't have any clue about protecting company data on a regular basis, they just want their data instantly and aren't concerned with what happens in a worst-case scenario.
"Oops, it got stolen.
Guess I need to get the latest model now!
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603774</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603822</id>
	<title>ME!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269425820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its mine.  I own it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its mine .
I own it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its mine.
I own it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603836</id>
	<title>After some consideration...</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1269425880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to have to go with "Me", Regis.</p><p>I have no problem using or not using it for work. If they want something specific, they can feel free to shell for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to have to go with " Me " , Regis.I have no problem using or not using it for work .
If they want something specific , they can feel free to shell for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to have to go with "Me", Regis.I have no problem using or not using it for work.
If they want something specific, they can feel free to shell for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31607546</id>
	<title>Smartphones are so overrated</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269456900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Smartphones are so overrated. I don't see those in my office having smartphones being any more productive than those who doesn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Smartphones are so overrated .
I do n't see those in my office having smartphones being any more productive than those who does n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Smartphones are so overrated.
I don't see those in my office having smartphones being any more productive than those who doesn't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31605120</id>
	<title>Oh shit...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269432240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Those fucking IT punks from work followed me home and are on the lawn, Martha. Again. Get my shotgun."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Those fucking IT punks from work followed me home and are on the lawn , Martha .
Again. Get my shotgun .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Those fucking IT punks from work followed me home and are on the lawn, Martha.
Again. Get my shotgun.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31608862</id>
	<title>Old joke, but....</title>
	<author>fok</author>
	<datestamp>1269522240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All your smartphones are belong to us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All your smartphones are belong to us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All your smartphones are belong to us.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31608906</id>
	<title>Always separate your job and your private life.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269522720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My company has no business with my private phone, instant messenger, e-mail, etc.<br>Just like my home, the job is taboo. A boss calling me at home, if it&rsquo;s not a big time emergency, will get him in trouble with me.</p><p>If they want me to have a business mobile phone number, they provide a separate business phone.<br>Pe-fucking-riod!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My company has no business with my private phone , instant messenger , e-mail , etc.Just like my home , the job is taboo .
A boss calling me at home , if it    s not a big time emergency , will get him in trouble with me.If they want me to have a business mobile phone number , they provide a separate business phone.Pe-fucking-riod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My company has no business with my private phone, instant messenger, e-mail, etc.Just like my home, the job is taboo.
A boss calling me at home, if it’s not a big time emergency, will get him in trouble with me.If they want me to have a business mobile phone number, they provide a separate business phone.Pe-fucking-riod!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31605040</id>
	<title>Re:Nobody!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269431760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you got them off of your lawn?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you got them off of your lawn ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you got them off of your lawn?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604374</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603820</id>
	<title>I prefer complete independence, thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269425820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The personal phone I carry is none of my IT department's business, and I like it that way--thank you very much. I don't want to EVER get into a situation where my workplace has a legal case for subpoenaing my personal phone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The personal phone I carry is none of my IT department 's business , and I like it that way--thank you very much .
I do n't want to EVER get into a situation where my workplace has a legal case for subpoenaing my personal phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The personal phone I carry is none of my IT department's business, and I like it that way--thank you very much.
I don't want to EVER get into a situation where my workplace has a legal case for subpoenaing my personal phone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604074</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269426960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So Forrester suggests that employees should be treated like Grownups. He doesn't suggest that most employees need to act like Grownups.  If the larger percentage of security breaches are considered to eminate from the inside of a company network, then this holds true for smartphones.  Therefore you really really shouldnt treat your employees like grownups.</p><p>The people who write these articles always say 'people want to do it, so companies should allow them to do it / find a way to do it'.   Most companies have process, policies, rules etc to dictate all the ongoings of business and tecehnology is included in that. Why then is technology singled out as OK to break policy on, but 'doing things my own way when I fill out the TPS report' is not?  "Gee, I really dont like the TPS report format, it's so cumbersome and old, I'm going to make my own and submit that".  Personally I think the people that write these articles are angry at their company for not letting them use their iPhones on the companies network.</p><p>In any case, more scrutiny should be paid to the cost of supporting (because yes you will be supporting them if they are getting company data, especially those C-level execs) and buying and managing that infrastructure.</p><p>The only way to do it is to create a bubble inside of the 'personal smartphone' that contains the companies stuff, and another bubble for the personal stuff with a clear line of separation plus a way to tell usage of each.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So Forrester suggests that employees should be treated like Grownups .
He does n't suggest that most employees need to act like Grownups .
If the larger percentage of security breaches are considered to eminate from the inside of a company network , then this holds true for smartphones .
Therefore you really really shouldnt treat your employees like grownups.The people who write these articles always say 'people want to do it , so companies should allow them to do it / find a way to do it' .
Most companies have process , policies , rules etc to dictate all the ongoings of business and tecehnology is included in that .
Why then is technology singled out as OK to break policy on , but 'doing things my own way when I fill out the TPS report ' is not ?
" Gee , I really dont like the TPS report format , it 's so cumbersome and old , I 'm going to make my own and submit that " .
Personally I think the people that write these articles are angry at their company for not letting them use their iPhones on the companies network.In any case , more scrutiny should be paid to the cost of supporting ( because yes you will be supporting them if they are getting company data , especially those C-level execs ) and buying and managing that infrastructure.The only way to do it is to create a bubble inside of the 'personal smartphone ' that contains the companies stuff , and another bubble for the personal stuff with a clear line of separation plus a way to tell usage of each .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Forrester suggests that employees should be treated like Grownups.
He doesn't suggest that most employees need to act like Grownups.
If the larger percentage of security breaches are considered to eminate from the inside of a company network, then this holds true for smartphones.
Therefore you really really shouldnt treat your employees like grownups.The people who write these articles always say 'people want to do it, so companies should allow them to do it / find a way to do it'.
Most companies have process, policies, rules etc to dictate all the ongoings of business and tecehnology is included in that.
Why then is technology singled out as OK to break policy on, but 'doing things my own way when I fill out the TPS report' is not?
"Gee, I really dont like the TPS report format, it's so cumbersome and old, I'm going to make my own and submit that".
Personally I think the people that write these articles are angry at their company for not letting them use their iPhones on the companies network.In any case, more scrutiny should be paid to the cost of supporting (because yes you will be supporting them if they are getting company data, especially those C-level execs) and buying and managing that infrastructure.The only way to do it is to create a bubble inside of the 'personal smartphone' that contains the companies stuff, and another bubble for the personal stuff with a clear line of separation plus a way to tell usage of each.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31613346</id>
	<title>At IBM...</title>
	<author>wuglas</author>
	<datestamp>1269540780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We've been responsible for our own cell phones including smartphones, and given a $50 reimbursement for them for a few years.  Now IBM is phasing this out, instead issuing corporate cell phones which may NOT be used for personal calls.  Many see this as a way for IBM to save money, as most employees refuse to carry two cell phones and thus don't even use the new plan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've been responsible for our own cell phones including smartphones , and given a $ 50 reimbursement for them for a few years .
Now IBM is phasing this out , instead issuing corporate cell phones which may NOT be used for personal calls .
Many see this as a way for IBM to save money , as most employees refuse to carry two cell phones and thus do n't even use the new plan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've been responsible for our own cell phones including smartphones, and given a $50 reimbursement for them for a few years.
Now IBM is phasing this out, instead issuing corporate cell phones which may NOT be used for personal calls.
Many see this as a way for IBM to save money, as most employees refuse to carry two cell phones and thus don't even use the new plan.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604374</id>
	<title>Nobody!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269428160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They tried to buy me one, but I don't want a smartphone.  I want my phone to make phone calls and texts.  The latter because it's handy to have my systems email me text alerts when something's going wrong.<br>I had a hell of a time convincing them to go away and leave me alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They tried to buy me one , but I do n't want a smartphone .
I want my phone to make phone calls and texts .
The latter because it 's handy to have my systems email me text alerts when something 's going wrong.I had a hell of a time convincing them to go away and leave me alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They tried to buy me one, but I don't want a smartphone.
I want my phone to make phone calls and texts.
The latter because it's handy to have my systems email me text alerts when something's going wrong.I had a hell of a time convincing them to go away and leave me alone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603774</id>
	<title>It can be a blurry line</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269425640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even though I own my own <a href="http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/" title="nokia.com">smartphone</a> [nokia.com],
where I work (a very large IT company) there is an increasingly lengthy list
of requirements and checks for any device connected to the corporate network.</p><p>I value my choice and don't want my employer to get me a phone but if I use
it for work it is an increasing amount of hassle</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even though I own my own smartphone [ nokia.com ] , where I work ( a very large IT company ) there is an increasingly lengthy list of requirements and checks for any device connected to the corporate network.I value my choice and do n't want my employer to get me a phone but if I use it for work it is an increasing amount of hassle</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even though I own my own smartphone [nokia.com],
where I work (a very large IT company) there is an increasingly lengthy list
of requirements and checks for any device connected to the corporate network.I value my choice and don't want my employer to get me a phone but if I use
it for work it is an increasing amount of hassle</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604364</id>
	<title>Re:Another Reason to Love My Employer</title>
	<author>omgwtfroflbbqwasd</author>
	<datestamp>1269428160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey Blockbuster - want to know what Netflix is up to?
<p>
1) Steal this guy's phone.<br>
2) Gain competitive intelligence<br>
3) Profit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey Blockbuster - want to know what Netflix is up to ?
1 ) Steal this guy 's phone .
2 ) Gain competitive intelligence 3 ) Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey Blockbuster - want to know what Netflix is up to?
1) Steal this guy's phone.
2) Gain competitive intelligence
3) Profit!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603922</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604442</id>
	<title>Re:I prefer complete independence, thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269428460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Huh, what have you or the IT department got to do with it?</p><p>The question is surely whether ATandT own it or Apple owns it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh , what have you or the IT department got to do with it ? The question is surely whether ATandT own it or Apple owns it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh, what have you or the IT department got to do with it?The question is surely whether ATandT own it or Apple owns it!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31603910</id>
	<title>I wish my company paid for my phone...</title>
	<author>HockeyPuck</author>
	<datestamp>1269426120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where I work, the company *may* (if you qualify and are VP approved) pay for your phone bill if you either get on the 'company calling/data plan' or identify the personal/work calls.  However, they don't pay for any type of phone.  You buy your phone out of your own pocket.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where I work , the company * may * ( if you qualify and are VP approved ) pay for your phone bill if you either get on the 'company calling/data plan ' or identify the personal/work calls .
However , they do n't pay for any type of phone .
You buy your phone out of your own pocket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where I work, the company *may* (if you qualify and are VP approved) pay for your phone bill if you either get on the 'company calling/data plan' or identify the personal/work calls.
However, they don't pay for any type of phone.
You buy your phone out of your own pocket.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_2052223.31604140</id>
	<title>Simple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269427200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You want to call me outside of office hours?  You provide the phone and pay for the service plan.</p><p>You want me to be reachable when I am away from my desk?  You provide the phone and pay for the service plan.</p><p>Sure, I appreciate being able to chose the device I will carry and use on a daily basis, but its still just a tool to me.</p><p>If I have a problem with the restrictions you put on my use of your equipment, then I will get one of my own for my personal use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You want to call me outside of office hours ?
You provide the phone and pay for the service plan.You want me to be reachable when I am away from my desk ?
You provide the phone and pay for the service plan.Sure , I appreciate being able to chose the device I will carry and use on a daily basis , but its still just a tool to me.If I have a problem with the restrictions you put on my use of your equipment , then I will get one of my own for my personal use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You want to call me outside of office hours?
You provide the phone and pay for the service plan.You want me to be reachable when I am away from my desk?
You provide the phone and pay for the service plan.Sure, I appreciate being able to chose the device I will carry and use on a daily basis, but its still just a tool to me.If I have a problem with the restrictions you put on my use of your equipment, then I will get one of my own for my personal use.</sentencetext>
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