<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_24_1937214</id>
	<title>Open Source Alternative To Google Earth?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269419400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>aws910 writes <i>"Today, I fired up Google Earth to find that the 'points of interest' category had been removed, and a single checkbox is in its place.  Certain layers are now entirely inaccessible.  Google triggered a <a href="http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2010/03/google\_enhances\_the\_places\_of\_inter.html">user revolt</a>, but admitted fault, and <a href="http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2010/03/about\_the\_changes\_to\_the\_places\_of.html">promised to restore full functionality someday</a>.  In the meantime, I've found a lack of plausible alternatives.  Bing seems nice, but Moonlight crashes the browser on any machine I use, and I'd rather use OSS anyway ... which made me realize there doesn't seem to be a good open-source alternative to Google Earth.  Am I missing something?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>aws910 writes " Today , I fired up Google Earth to find that the 'points of interest ' category had been removed , and a single checkbox is in its place .
Certain layers are now entirely inaccessible .
Google triggered a user revolt , but admitted fault , and promised to restore full functionality someday .
In the meantime , I 've found a lack of plausible alternatives .
Bing seems nice , but Moonlight crashes the browser on any machine I use , and I 'd rather use OSS anyway ... which made me realize there does n't seem to be a good open-source alternative to Google Earth .
Am I missing something ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>aws910 writes "Today, I fired up Google Earth to find that the 'points of interest' category had been removed, and a single checkbox is in its place.
Certain layers are now entirely inaccessible.
Google triggered a user revolt, but admitted fault, and promised to restore full functionality someday.
In the meantime, I've found a lack of plausible alternatives.
Bing seems nice, but Moonlight crashes the browser on any machine I use, and I'd rather use OSS anyway ... which made me realize there doesn't seem to be a good open-source alternative to Google Earth.
Am I missing something?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31606962</id>
	<title>Re:Licensing? Severs?</title>
	<author>AnswerIs42</author>
	<datestamp>1269447540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are TB's of public domain imagery out there.  A lot of the hosting is donated space and bandwith, Sun/Oracle is hosting 90\% of the imagery you can see in World Wind.  Through an agreement with Microsoft you can view Bing maps in WW.net and WWJava.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are TB 's of public domain imagery out there .
A lot of the hosting is donated space and bandwith , Sun/Oracle is hosting 90 \ % of the imagery you can see in World Wind .
Through an agreement with Microsoft you can view Bing maps in WW.net and WWJava .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are TB's of public domain imagery out there.
A lot of the hosting is donated space and bandwith, Sun/Oracle is hosting 90\% of the imagery you can see in World Wind.
Through an agreement with Microsoft you can view Bing maps in WW.net and WWJava.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31604002</id>
	<title>Re:Licensing? Severs?</title>
	<author>B1oodAnge1</author>
	<datestamp>1269426540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who's going to pay to license all those satellite images? Who's going to run the servers and pay for all the bandwidth consumed by such an application?</p></div><p>OSS != Free Beer</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who 's going to pay to license all those satellite images ?
Who 's going to run the servers and pay for all the bandwidth consumed by such an application ? OSS ! = Free Beer</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who's going to pay to license all those satellite images?
Who's going to run the servers and pay for all the bandwidth consumed by such an application?OSS != Free Beer
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31604180</id>
	<title>OSSIMplanet, pTolemy3D, Virtual Ocean and more</title>
	<author>Lord Satri</author>
	<datestamp>1269427380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NASA World Wind is the most popular afaik, but there are others, including <a href="http://www.ossim.org/OSSIM/ossimPlanet.html" title="ossim.org">OSSIMplanet</a> [ossim.org], <a href="http://www.ptolemy3d.org/" title="ptolemy3d.org">pTolemy3D</a> [ptolemy3d.org], <a href="http://www.virtualocean.org/" title="virtualocean.org">Virtual Ocean</a> [virtualocean.org] and quite <a href="http://delicious.com/Satri/virtualglobe+opensource" title="delicious.com">a few other ones</a> [delicious.com] depending on your requirements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA World Wind is the most popular afaik , but there are others , including OSSIMplanet [ ossim.org ] , pTolemy3D [ ptolemy3d.org ] , Virtual Ocean [ virtualocean.org ] and quite a few other ones [ delicious.com ] depending on your requirements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA World Wind is the most popular afaik, but there are others, including OSSIMplanet [ossim.org], pTolemy3D [ptolemy3d.org], Virtual Ocean [virtualocean.org] and quite a few other ones [delicious.com] depending on your requirements.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603122</id>
	<title>Licensing?  Severs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269423120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who's going to pay to license all those satellite images?  Who's going to run the servers and pay for all the bandwidth consumed by such an application?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who 's going to pay to license all those satellite images ?
Who 's going to run the servers and pay for all the bandwidth consumed by such an application ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who's going to pay to license all those satellite images?
Who's going to run the servers and pay for all the bandwidth consumed by such an application?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31605174</id>
	<title>Just one ingredient</title>
	<author>xixax</author>
	<datestamp>1269432660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As well as the shiny interface, what makes Google is oodles of current, hi-res imagery and enough grunt to make the same base set of data available to a large chunk of the world's population.</p><p>Taken as a complete product, I can't see anything remotely in the ballpark. FOSS can do software, but data and servers to cough it up is not a software issue. Bing has data, but from what I've seen their data currecny and resolution is trailing Google. Due to the economies of scale involved, catching up would probably need deep pockets.</p><p>Xix.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As well as the shiny interface , what makes Google is oodles of current , hi-res imagery and enough grunt to make the same base set of data available to a large chunk of the world 's population.Taken as a complete product , I ca n't see anything remotely in the ballpark .
FOSS can do software , but data and servers to cough it up is not a software issue .
Bing has data , but from what I 've seen their data currecny and resolution is trailing Google .
Due to the economies of scale involved , catching up would probably need deep pockets.Xix .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As well as the shiny interface, what makes Google is oodles of current, hi-res imagery and enough grunt to make the same base set of data available to a large chunk of the world's population.Taken as a complete product, I can't see anything remotely in the ballpark.
FOSS can do software, but data and servers to cough it up is not a software issue.
Bing has data, but from what I've seen their data currecny and resolution is trailing Google.
Due to the economies of scale involved, catching up would probably need deep pockets.Xix.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603210</id>
	<title>Maybe they could make the application more native</title>
	<author>kriston</author>
	<datestamp>1269423420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe they could make the application more native instead of using the botchy, almost-correct-but-not-quite Qt widget library.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they could make the application more native instead of using the botchy , almost-correct-but-not-quite Qt widget library .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they could make the application more native instead of using the botchy, almost-correct-but-not-quite Qt widget library.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31607660</id>
	<title>Re:Licensing? Severs?</title>
	<author>martin-boundary</author>
	<datestamp>1269458760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Who's going to run
  the servers and pay for all the bandwidth consumed by such an application?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Who needs servers? This is an ideal case for P2P. Satellite and aerial maps don't change
that fast, at least not for mapping purposes. There's ample scope for sharing
the same maps between P2P members.
</p><p>
It's true that current implementations of Google Earth and NASA Worldwind use
central servers, but that is merely a <b>control issue</b>. These organizations
want to control who gets access to the maps, and what people get to do with the maps, perhaps for licensing reasons or perhaps for other reasons. So
they pay huge server bills because of it.
</p><p>
But a truly open source app doesn't technically need central servers, if it can have P2P.
We have the technology, it can be implemented, and it won't cost any one user
a small fortune in bandwidth bills. We even have community members who are real mapping enthusiasts and could make a list of all the public datasets, and we might have companies who are willing to donate their older satellite image datasets, if eg they get to leave their logo somewhere discrete.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who 's going to run the servers and pay for all the bandwidth consumed by such an application ?
Who needs servers ?
This is an ideal case for P2P .
Satellite and aerial maps do n't change that fast , at least not for mapping purposes .
There 's ample scope for sharing the same maps between P2P members .
It 's true that current implementations of Google Earth and NASA Worldwind use central servers , but that is merely a control issue .
These organizations want to control who gets access to the maps , and what people get to do with the maps , perhaps for licensing reasons or perhaps for other reasons .
So they pay huge server bills because of it .
But a truly open source app does n't technically need central servers , if it can have P2P .
We have the technology , it can be implemented , and it wo n't cost any one user a small fortune in bandwidth bills .
We even have community members who are real mapping enthusiasts and could make a list of all the public datasets , and we might have companies who are willing to donate their older satellite image datasets , if eg they get to leave their logo somewhere discrete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who's going to run
  the servers and pay for all the bandwidth consumed by such an application?
Who needs servers?
This is an ideal case for P2P.
Satellite and aerial maps don't change
that fast, at least not for mapping purposes.
There's ample scope for sharing
the same maps between P2P members.
It's true that current implementations of Google Earth and NASA Worldwind use
central servers, but that is merely a control issue.
These organizations
want to control who gets access to the maps, and what people get to do with the maps, perhaps for licensing reasons or perhaps for other reasons.
So
they pay huge server bills because of it.
But a truly open source app doesn't technically need central servers, if it can have P2P.
We have the technology, it can be implemented, and it won't cost any one user
a small fortune in bandwidth bills.
We even have community members who are real mapping enthusiasts and could make a list of all the public datasets, and we might have companies who are willing to donate their older satellite image datasets, if eg they get to leave their logo somewhere discrete.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31606610</id>
	<title>Re:NASA's World Wind</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269443940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>Keyhole Earthviewer 3D</em> came out on June 11, 2001. Google later purchased Keyhole, renamed the software to <em>Google Earth</em>, and made most of the premium features free.</p><p>World Wind was first released in 2004. I guess that's technically before the "Google Earth" name, but not before the software. Even back then Earthviewer 3D would have been recognizable as "Google Earth" to anyone who has used the latter product; it lacked 3D models, the interface was somewhat less refined, it wasn't cross-platform (IIRC), and there have obviously been other improvements, but it was still fundamentally the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Keyhole Earthviewer 3D came out on June 11 , 2001 .
Google later purchased Keyhole , renamed the software to Google Earth , and made most of the premium features free.World Wind was first released in 2004 .
I guess that 's technically before the " Google Earth " name , but not before the software .
Even back then Earthviewer 3D would have been recognizable as " Google Earth " to anyone who has used the latter product ; it lacked 3D models , the interface was somewhat less refined , it was n't cross-platform ( IIRC ) , and there have obviously been other improvements , but it was still fundamentally the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keyhole Earthviewer 3D came out on June 11, 2001.
Google later purchased Keyhole, renamed the software to Google Earth, and made most of the premium features free.World Wind was first released in 2004.
I guess that's technically before the "Google Earth" name, but not before the software.
Even back then Earthviewer 3D would have been recognizable as "Google Earth" to anyone who has used the latter product; it lacked 3D models, the interface was somewhat less refined, it wasn't cross-platform (IIRC), and there have obviously been other improvements, but it was still fundamentally the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603130</id>
	<title>Walking?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269423120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do "feet" count as OSS alternatives?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do " feet " count as OSS alternatives ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do "feet" count as OSS alternatives?
;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603320</id>
	<title>Re:Licensing? Severs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269423900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any company that has huge revenues, that lets top-notch developers work on anything they think is kewl, and is structured so that investors can't complain about them pouring millions into projects that will never monetize. Alas, there's only one of those...</p><p>The upside of Google is that they push the state of the art with everything they do, and they provide free access to products that we couldn't afford without them &mdash; assuming that these products would even exist without them, which they mostly wouldn't. The downside is that they're total amateurs when it comes to the nuts and bolts of providing a product that isn't buggy, doesn't have major UI issues, and doesn't have weird outages and feature changes without notice. Google Earth seems to typify both the upside and the downside.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any company that has huge revenues , that lets top-notch developers work on anything they think is kewl , and is structured so that investors ca n't complain about them pouring millions into projects that will never monetize .
Alas , there 's only one of those...The upside of Google is that they push the state of the art with everything they do , and they provide free access to products that we could n't afford without them    assuming that these products would even exist without them , which they mostly would n't .
The downside is that they 're total amateurs when it comes to the nuts and bolts of providing a product that is n't buggy , does n't have major UI issues , and does n't have weird outages and feature changes without notice .
Google Earth seems to typify both the upside and the downside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any company that has huge revenues, that lets top-notch developers work on anything they think is kewl, and is structured so that investors can't complain about them pouring millions into projects that will never monetize.
Alas, there's only one of those...The upside of Google is that they push the state of the art with everything they do, and they provide free access to products that we couldn't afford without them — assuming that these products would even exist without them, which they mostly wouldn't.
The downside is that they're total amateurs when it comes to the nuts and bolts of providing a product that isn't buggy, doesn't have major UI issues, and doesn't have weird outages and feature changes without notice.
Google Earth seems to typify both the upside and the downside.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31607752</id>
	<title>Re:NASA's World Wind</title>
	<author>macshit</author>
	<datestamp>1269460500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA\_World\_Wind" title="wikipedia.org">World Wind</a> [wikipedia.org] is licensed under NASA's Open Source license.  Not sure of the intricacies with it (IANAL) but was developed with the open source community.</p></div><p>The "NASA Open Source Agreement" (NOSA) license is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... weird.  It's GPL- (and debian) incompatible for no discernible reason, so one imagines it's one of these things from the wacky old "everybody make their own license!" days of yore...

</p><p>A shame, really, as WW seems not so bad otherwise.

</p><p>It'd be cool if the FSF or somebody would work with NASA to change the licensing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>World Wind [ wikipedia.org ] is licensed under NASA 's Open Source license .
Not sure of the intricacies with it ( IANAL ) but was developed with the open source community.The " NASA Open Source Agreement " ( NOSA ) license is ... weird. It 's GPL- ( and debian ) incompatible for no discernible reason , so one imagines it 's one of these things from the wacky old " everybody make their own license !
" days of yore.. . A shame , really , as WW seems not so bad otherwise .
It 'd be cool if the FSF or somebody would work with NASA to change the licensing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> World Wind [wikipedia.org] is licensed under NASA's Open Source license.
Not sure of the intricacies with it (IANAL) but was developed with the open source community.The "NASA Open Source Agreement" (NOSA) license is ... weird.  It's GPL- (and debian) incompatible for no discernible reason, so one imagines it's one of these things from the wacky old "everybody make their own license!
" days of yore...

A shame, really, as WW seems not so bad otherwise.
It'd be cool if the FSF or somebody would work with NASA to change the licensing.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603156</id>
	<title>KDE Marble</title>
	<author>IYagami</author>
	<datestamp>1269423240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://edu.kde.org/marble/" title="kde.org">http://edu.kde.org/marble/</a> [kde.org]</p><p>Marble is a Virtual Globe and World Atlas that you can use to learn more about Earth: You can pan and zoom around and you can look up places and roads. A mouse click on a place label will provide the respective Wikipedia article.</p><p>Of course it's also possible to measure distances between locations or watch the current cloud cover. Marble offers different thematic maps: A classroom-style topographic map, a satellite view, street map, earth at night and temperature and precipitation maps. All maps include a custom map key, so it can also be used as an educational tool for use in class-rooms. For educational purposes you can also change date and time and watch how the starry sky and the twilight zone on the map change.</p><p>In opposite to other virtual globes Marble also features multiple projections: Choose between a Flat Map ("Plate carr&#233;"), Mercator or the Globe.</p><p>The best of all: Marble is Free Software / Open Source Software and promotes the usage of free maps. And it's available for all major operating systems (Linux/Unix, MS Windows and Mac OS X).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //edu.kde.org/marble/ [ kde.org ] Marble is a Virtual Globe and World Atlas that you can use to learn more about Earth : You can pan and zoom around and you can look up places and roads .
A mouse click on a place label will provide the respective Wikipedia article.Of course it 's also possible to measure distances between locations or watch the current cloud cover .
Marble offers different thematic maps : A classroom-style topographic map , a satellite view , street map , earth at night and temperature and precipitation maps .
All maps include a custom map key , so it can also be used as an educational tool for use in class-rooms .
For educational purposes you can also change date and time and watch how the starry sky and the twilight zone on the map change.In opposite to other virtual globes Marble also features multiple projections : Choose between a Flat Map ( " Plate carr   " ) , Mercator or the Globe.The best of all : Marble is Free Software / Open Source Software and promotes the usage of free maps .
And it 's available for all major operating systems ( Linux/Unix , MS Windows and Mac OS X ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://edu.kde.org/marble/ [kde.org]Marble is a Virtual Globe and World Atlas that you can use to learn more about Earth: You can pan and zoom around and you can look up places and roads.
A mouse click on a place label will provide the respective Wikipedia article.Of course it's also possible to measure distances between locations or watch the current cloud cover.
Marble offers different thematic maps: A classroom-style topographic map, a satellite view, street map, earth at night and temperature and precipitation maps.
All maps include a custom map key, so it can also be used as an educational tool for use in class-rooms.
For educational purposes you can also change date and time and watch how the starry sky and the twilight zone on the map change.In opposite to other virtual globes Marble also features multiple projections: Choose between a Flat Map ("Plate carré"), Mercator or the Globe.The best of all: Marble is Free Software / Open Source Software and promotes the usage of free maps.
And it's available for all major operating systems (Linux/Unix, MS Windows and Mac OS X).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31621596</id>
	<title>Re:OSSIMplanet, pTolemy3D, Virtual Ocean and more</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269534420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I maintain a list of Virtual Globe projects *here*<br>http://isde5.pbworks.com/Earth-Browsers?SearchFor=Globes&amp;sp=4</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I maintain a list of Virtual Globe projects * here * http : //isde5.pbworks.com/Earth-Browsers ? SearchFor = Globes&amp;sp = 4</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I maintain a list of Virtual Globe projects *here*http://isde5.pbworks.com/Earth-Browsers?SearchFor=Globes&amp;sp=4</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31604032</id>
	<title>Re:Licensing? Severs?</title>
	<author>thecross</author>
	<datestamp>1269426720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A Megasquirt might be able to do that. You could also replace the throttle system with an actual cable, which would also work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A Megasquirt might be able to do that .
You could also replace the throttle system with an actual cable , which would also work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Megasquirt might be able to do that.
You could also replace the throttle system with an actual cable, which would also work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603198</id>
	<title>I've got you covered</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269423360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've merged Celestia with Stellarium with Mapquest.<br> <br>

It has extremely granular chartings of low Earth to distant orbiting objects, very smooth 3D rendering with fluid transitions, and painfully difficult to navigate street view gifs encoded on and hosted over an Apple iie.<br> <br>
<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>
BTW: Mapquest sucks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've merged Celestia with Stellarium with Mapquest .
It has extremely granular chartings of low Earth to distant orbiting objects , very smooth 3D rendering with fluid transitions , and painfully difficult to navigate street view gifs encoded on and hosted over an Apple iie .
BTW : Mapquest sucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've merged Celestia with Stellarium with Mapquest.
It has extremely granular chartings of low Earth to distant orbiting objects, very smooth 3D rendering with fluid transitions, and painfully difficult to navigate street view gifs encoded on and hosted over an Apple iie.
BTW: Mapquest sucks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603206</id>
	<title>Blue Marble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269423420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>open source, just like you wanted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>open source , just like you wanted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>open source, just like you wanted.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603996</id>
	<title>Re:NASA's World Wind</title>
	<author>AliasMarlowe</author>
	<datestamp>1269426540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>And World Wind existed before Google Earth...<br>
As one bonus, World Wind does not limit the size of your local imagery cache; you can assign as many gigabytes as you want. World Wind (Windows version) and a selection of cache packs (Landsat and SRTM) can be downloaded from <a href="http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=subject\%3A\%22world\%20wind\%22" title="archive.org">http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=subject\%3A\%22world\%20wind\%22</a> [archive.org], while the Java version can be downloaded from <a href="http://builds.worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/download.asp" title="nasa.gov">http://builds.worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/download.asp</a> [nasa.gov]</htmltext>
<tokenext>And World Wind existed before Google Earth.. . As one bonus , World Wind does not limit the size of your local imagery cache ; you can assign as many gigabytes as you want .
World Wind ( Windows version ) and a selection of cache packs ( Landsat and SRTM ) can be downloaded from http : //www.archive.org/search.php ? query = subject \ % 3A \ % 22world \ % 20wind \ % 22 [ archive.org ] , while the Java version can be downloaded from http : //builds.worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/download.asp [ nasa.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And World Wind existed before Google Earth...
As one bonus, World Wind does not limit the size of your local imagery cache; you can assign as many gigabytes as you want.
World Wind (Windows version) and a selection of cache packs (Landsat and SRTM) can be downloaded from http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=subject\%3A\%22world\%20wind\%22 [archive.org], while the Java version can be downloaded from http://builds.worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/download.asp [nasa.gov]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603108</id>
	<title>NASA's World Wind</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269423060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA\_World\_Wind" title="wikipedia.org">World Wind</a> [wikipedia.org] is licensed under NASA's Open Source license.  Not sure of the intricacies with it (IANAL) but was developed with the open source community.</htmltext>
<tokenext>World Wind [ wikipedia.org ] is licensed under NASA 's Open Source license .
Not sure of the intricacies with it ( IANAL ) but was developed with the open source community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>World Wind [wikipedia.org] is licensed under NASA's Open Source license.
Not sure of the intricacies with it (IANAL) but was developed with the open source community.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31604436</id>
	<title>Re:Licensing? Severs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269428460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They will be funded with the money from RMS' endowment, he can get by eating the stuff off his feet anyway...</p><p>Everything should be free, we don't need to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They will be funded with the money from RMS ' endowment , he can get by eating the stuff off his feet anyway...Everything should be free , we do n't need to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They will be funded with the money from RMS' endowment, he can get by eating the stuff off his feet anyway...Everything should be free, we don't need to work.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31605718</id>
	<title>Re:KDE Marble</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1269436380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In opposite...</p></div><p>"In opposite"???</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In opposite... " In opposite " ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In opposite..."In opposite"??
?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31604946</id>
	<title>Re:Licensing? Severs?</title>
	<author>Bill\_the\_Engineer</author>
	<datestamp>1269431220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm... Google purchase EarthViewer 3D from Keyhole, Inc. and renamed it Google Earth in 2005.
</p><p>NASA released <a href="http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/" title="nasa.gov">World Wind</a> [nasa.gov] in 2004.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm... Google purchase EarthViewer 3D from Keyhole , Inc. and renamed it Google Earth in 2005 .
NASA released World Wind [ nasa.gov ] in 2004 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm... Google purchase EarthViewer 3D from Keyhole, Inc. and renamed it Google Earth in 2005.
NASA released World Wind [nasa.gov] in 2004.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31608676</id>
	<title>Re:OSSIMplanet, pTolemy3D, Virtual Ocean and more</title>
	<author>jandersen</author>
	<datestamp>1269519540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or if you just need a map for driving, there is OpenStreetMap: <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" title="openstreetmap.org">http://www.openstreetmap.org/</a> [openstreetmap.org]</p><p>Nothing very fancy, but not bad at all for what it is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or if you just need a map for driving , there is OpenStreetMap : http : //www.openstreetmap.org/ [ openstreetmap.org ] Nothing very fancy , but not bad at all for what it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or if you just need a map for driving, there is OpenStreetMap: http://www.openstreetmap.org/ [openstreetmap.org]Nothing very fancy, but not bad at all for what it is.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603472</id>
	<title>Re:NASA's World Wind</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269424380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since Wikipedia is down round these parts, here's the actual site:</p><p><a href="http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/" title="nasa.gov" rel="nofollow">http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/</a> [nasa.gov]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since Wikipedia is down round these parts , here 's the actual site : http : //worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ [ nasa.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since Wikipedia is down round these parts, here's the actual site:http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ [nasa.gov]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603526</id>
	<title>Re:Licensing? Severs?</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1269424620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure, but I've heard there's one under development somewhere at Sourceforge... last I heard they were at version 0.1.3.8pre-alpha, but had temporarily suspended development because they couldn't find any crash-testers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure , but I 've heard there 's one under development somewhere at Sourceforge... last I heard they were at version 0.1.3.8pre-alpha , but had temporarily suspended development because they could n't find any crash-testers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure, but I've heard there's one under development somewhere at Sourceforge... last I heard they were at version 0.1.3.8pre-alpha, but had temporarily suspended development because they couldn't find any crash-testers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31606942</id>
	<title>Re:NASA's World Wind</title>
	<author>Mike Buddha</author>
	<datestamp>1269447420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great. Because they weren't spending our money fast enough running crashing robots into Mars<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great .
Because they were n't spending our money fast enough running crashing robots into Mars : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great.
Because they weren't spending our money fast enough running crashing robots into Mars :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603634</id>
	<title>Re:Licensing? Severs?</title>
	<author>danhm</author>
	<datestamp>1269425100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who's going to run the servers and pay for all the bandwidth consumed by Debian/Gentoo/etc's packages?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who 's going to run the servers and pay for all the bandwidth consumed by Debian/Gentoo/etc 's packages ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who's going to run the servers and pay for all the bandwidth consumed by Debian/Gentoo/etc's packages?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603240</id>
	<title>Re:Licensing? Severs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269423540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed.  The question of an open source Google Earth is not the application, but where the data comes from.  Google Earth probably would be open source, if Google wasn't afraid their remote protocol would be reverse engineered (at which point they would update it).  Anyone who has programmed with the Google Earth COM API knows that Google goes to great lengths to protect the data they store on their servers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
The question of an open source Google Earth is not the application , but where the data comes from .
Google Earth probably would be open source , if Google was n't afraid their remote protocol would be reverse engineered ( at which point they would update it ) .
Anyone who has programmed with the Google Earth COM API knows that Google goes to great lengths to protect the data they store on their servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
The question of an open source Google Earth is not the application, but where the data comes from.
Google Earth probably would be open source, if Google wasn't afraid their remote protocol would be reverse engineered (at which point they would update it).
Anyone who has programmed with the Google Earth COM API knows that Google goes to great lengths to protect the data they store on their servers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603670</id>
	<title>Re:Walking?</title>
	<author>symes</author>
	<datestamp>1269425280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That was my first thought - just go there and look for yourself! There might some reduced functionality, and it might rain. But you can taste, smell and feel what you are interested in... which might again cause reduced functionality if you happen to be interested in someone rather than something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That was my first thought - just go there and look for yourself !
There might some reduced functionality , and it might rain .
But you can taste , smell and feel what you are interested in... which might again cause reduced functionality if you happen to be interested in someone rather than something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was my first thought - just go there and look for yourself!
There might some reduced functionality, and it might rain.
But you can taste, smell and feel what you are interested in... which might again cause reduced functionality if you happen to be interested in someone rather than something.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603248</id>
	<title>Re:Licensing? Severs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269423540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But it's OPEN SOURCE...</p><p>I drive a Pontiac Vibe - which as you know is a sister car to the Toyota Matrix.</p><p>Toyota seems to be dragging their feet on this whole pedal fix and reprogram issue. Even Steve Wozniak believes Toyota has a programming problem. As such, I'm in the market for a new control module for my acceleration subsystem. I'd like it to be open source. Does slashdot have any suggestions? Again, FREE and OPEN SOURCE are preferred.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it 's OPEN SOURCE...I drive a Pontiac Vibe - which as you know is a sister car to the Toyota Matrix.Toyota seems to be dragging their feet on this whole pedal fix and reprogram issue .
Even Steve Wozniak believes Toyota has a programming problem .
As such , I 'm in the market for a new control module for my acceleration subsystem .
I 'd like it to be open source .
Does slashdot have any suggestions ?
Again , FREE and OPEN SOURCE are preferred .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it's OPEN SOURCE...I drive a Pontiac Vibe - which as you know is a sister car to the Toyota Matrix.Toyota seems to be dragging their feet on this whole pedal fix and reprogram issue.
Even Steve Wozniak believes Toyota has a programming problem.
As such, I'm in the market for a new control module for my acceleration subsystem.
I'd like it to be open source.
Does slashdot have any suggestions?
Again, FREE and OPEN SOURCE are preferred.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1937214.31603804</id>
	<title>Re:NASA's World Wind</title>
	<author>marjancek</author>
	<datestamp>1269425760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>WorldWind is definitelly the best Open Source option to Google Earth. And even though only NASA's imagery is available, a lot of other sources are available. For isntance, Virtual Earth's imagery can be used for non commercial purposes in World Wind.

There's also the posibility for governments to put their imagery for free usage, like in a Slovene project Gaea: (http://www.gaeaplus.si/), which can be tested here (http://geo.xlab.si/pds-0.0.2/gaea?version=sos)</htmltext>
<tokenext>WorldWind is definitelly the best Open Source option to Google Earth .
And even though only NASA 's imagery is available , a lot of other sources are available .
For isntance , Virtual Earth 's imagery can be used for non commercial purposes in World Wind .
There 's also the posibility for governments to put their imagery for free usage , like in a Slovene project Gaea : ( http : //www.gaeaplus.si/ ) , which can be tested here ( http : //geo.xlab.si/pds-0.0.2/gaea ? version = sos )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WorldWind is definitelly the best Open Source option to Google Earth.
And even though only NASA's imagery is available, a lot of other sources are available.
For isntance, Virtual Earth's imagery can be used for non commercial purposes in World Wind.
There's also the posibility for governments to put their imagery for free usage, like in a Slovene project Gaea: (http://www.gaeaplus.si/), which can be tested here (http://geo.xlab.si/pds-0.0.2/gaea?version=sos)</sentencetext>
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