<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_24_189248</id>
	<title>Microsoft To Distribute Third-Party Patches</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269457560000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://dhiren.za.net/" rel="nofollow">dhiren</a> writes <i>"Secunia on Wednesday announced that their authenticated internal vulnerability scanner, the Corporate Software Inspector (CSI) 4.0, has been <a href="http://www.ioltechnology.co.za/article\_page.php?iArticleId=5403144">integrated with Microsoft Windows Server Update Service</a> (WSUS) and System Center Configuration Manager (SCCM). This will hopefully pave the way for other vendors to also make use of Windows' existing patching infrastructure and eliminate the need for the multitude of custom updater applications and services that clutter most systems today."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>dhiren writes " Secunia on Wednesday announced that their authenticated internal vulnerability scanner , the Corporate Software Inspector ( CSI ) 4.0 , has been integrated with Microsoft Windows Server Update Service ( WSUS ) and System Center Configuration Manager ( SCCM ) .
This will hopefully pave the way for other vendors to also make use of Windows ' existing patching infrastructure and eliminate the need for the multitude of custom updater applications and services that clutter most systems today .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dhiren writes "Secunia on Wednesday announced that their authenticated internal vulnerability scanner, the Corporate Software Inspector (CSI) 4.0, has been integrated with Microsoft Windows Server Update Service (WSUS) and System Center Configuration Manager (SCCM).
This will hopefully pave the way for other vendors to also make use of Windows' existing patching infrastructure and eliminate the need for the multitude of custom updater applications and services that clutter most systems today.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31613106</id>
	<title>Re:Compare?</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1269539940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm not trying to ignite a flamewar</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
No, because to start a flamewar here you'd have to say "I don't do Apple because it is teh gay" or "I don't do Linux because I'm not a hippy communist."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not trying to ignite a flamewar No , because to start a flamewar here you 'd have to say " I do n't do Apple because it is teh gay " or " I do n't do Linux because I 'm not a hippy communist .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not trying to ignite a flamewar

No, because to start a flamewar here you'd have to say "I don't do Apple because it is teh gay" or "I don't do Linux because I'm not a hippy communist.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603798</id>
	<title>Re:The end for Internet Explorer</title>
	<author>Spad</author>
	<datestamp>1269425700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just as soon as Firefox comes with support for configuration &amp; control via GPO (Frankly, even if I have to write the templates myself, just *something* would be nice).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just as soon as Firefox comes with support for configuration &amp; control via GPO ( Frankly , even if I have to write the templates myself , just * something * would be nice ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just as soon as Firefox comes with support for configuration &amp; control via GPO (Frankly, even if I have to write the templates myself, just *something* would be nice).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602582</id>
	<title>OSS Alternative</title>
	<author>bdam</author>
	<datestamp>1269464100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The current version of WSUS includes an API that allows, among other things, anyone to publish third party updates through the WSUS system.  I've been working on a project for a few months that does just that: <a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/localupdatepubl" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">https://sourceforge.net/projects/localupdatepubl</a> [sourceforge.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The current version of WSUS includes an API that allows , among other things , anyone to publish third party updates through the WSUS system .
I 've been working on a project for a few months that does just that : https : //sourceforge.net/projects/localupdatepubl [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The current version of WSUS includes an API that allows, among other things, anyone to publish third party updates through the WSUS system.
I've been working on a project for a few months that does just that: https://sourceforge.net/projects/localupdatepubl [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603552</id>
	<title>Re:CNet used to have a similar service</title>
	<author>TClevenger</author>
	<datestamp>1269424680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think my favorites used to be the ones that checked when the app started up. Adobe Acrobat Reader was really bad about this. "Would you like to take 30 minutes out of your day to load an Adobe Downloader so you can load the latest version of Adobe Reader so you can reboot and then have to come back to this page so you can read this one-page document, or ignore this and I'll pester you the next time you try to open a document?"</p></div><p>You forgot the second half of that story.</p><p>
(30 minutes later)  "Oh, sorry, you have to be an administrator to install that."  (Then after the next reboot) "Would you like to take 30 minutes out of your day to load an Adobe Downloader so you can load the latest version of Adobe Reader so you can reboot and then have to come back to this page so you can read this one-page document, or ignore this and I'll pester you the next time you try to open a document?"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think my favorites used to be the ones that checked when the app started up .
Adobe Acrobat Reader was really bad about this .
" Would you like to take 30 minutes out of your day to load an Adobe Downloader so you can load the latest version of Adobe Reader so you can reboot and then have to come back to this page so you can read this one-page document , or ignore this and I 'll pester you the next time you try to open a document ?
" You forgot the second half of that story .
( 30 minutes later ) " Oh , sorry , you have to be an administrator to install that .
" ( Then after the next reboot ) " Would you like to take 30 minutes out of your day to load an Adobe Downloader so you can load the latest version of Adobe Reader so you can reboot and then have to come back to this page so you can read this one-page document , or ignore this and I 'll pester you the next time you try to open a document ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think my favorites used to be the ones that checked when the app started up.
Adobe Acrobat Reader was really bad about this.
"Would you like to take 30 minutes out of your day to load an Adobe Downloader so you can load the latest version of Adobe Reader so you can reboot and then have to come back to this page so you can read this one-page document, or ignore this and I'll pester you the next time you try to open a document?
"You forgot the second half of that story.
(30 minutes later)  "Oh, sorry, you have to be an administrator to install that.
"  (Then after the next reboot) "Would you like to take 30 minutes out of your day to load an Adobe Downloader so you can load the latest version of Adobe Reader so you can reboot and then have to come back to this page so you can read this one-page document, or ignore this and I'll pester you the next time you try to open a document?
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602550</id>
	<title>Misleading summary?</title>
	<author>trifish</author>
	<datestamp>1269464040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone have any link that would confirm that Microsoft actually did anything besides allowing a third party to use an API? The summary tries to make it sound like Microsoft uses (integrates) some Secunia stuff now.</p><p>The article certainly does read like a Secunia ad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone have any link that would confirm that Microsoft actually did anything besides allowing a third party to use an API ?
The summary tries to make it sound like Microsoft uses ( integrates ) some Secunia stuff now.The article certainly does read like a Secunia ad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone have any link that would confirm that Microsoft actually did anything besides allowing a third party to use an API?
The summary tries to make it sound like Microsoft uses (integrates) some Secunia stuff now.The article certainly does read like a Secunia ad.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602596</id>
	<title>Appupdater</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269464160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is all you need:</p><p>http://www.nabber.org/projects/appupdater/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is all you need : http : //www.nabber.org/projects/appupdater/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is all you need:http://www.nabber.org/projects/appupdater/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602516</id>
	<title>Compare?</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1269463920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't do windows.  Mac and Linux only.</p><p>Could someone compare and contrast with apt-get and security.debian.org, which I am very familiar with?</p><p>I'm not trying to ignite a flamewar, I'm just curious about the feature set.  What one side would have to add to reach the other side's level, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't do windows .
Mac and Linux only.Could someone compare and contrast with apt-get and security.debian.org , which I am very familiar with ? I 'm not trying to ignite a flamewar , I 'm just curious about the feature set .
What one side would have to add to reach the other side 's level , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't do windows.
Mac and Linux only.Could someone compare and contrast with apt-get and security.debian.org, which I am very familiar with?I'm not trying to ignite a flamewar, I'm just curious about the feature set.
What one side would have to add to reach the other side's level, etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602206</id>
	<title>CNet used to have a similar service</title>
	<author>Animaether</author>
	<datestamp>1269462600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CNet used to have a similar service... only for the software that they themselves offered to users, of course.  Then they discontinued it, re-launched as CatchUp, discontinued it again.. now it's some weird newsletter thing you can subscribe to.</p><p>Worked fairly well, though - was just a small utility that I guess checked for installed apps, checked the version info (from registry / files) for those it knew, and checked if there were any newer versions offered off of CNet.</p><p>Sucked when they discontinued it.. meant you had to check the pages / author sites manually all the time.. or subscribe to their RSS feeds (which only became popular later on), etc.  In addition, half the apps I run now have their own update checking stuff.. some check on startup, some check every day, some check once a week... finding the settings for this (if the settings are even exposed) can be a to of fun too.. etc.</p><p>So hooray for Microsoft looking into this... looooong overdue.  I do hope they allow -any- developer/application to take part, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CNet used to have a similar service... only for the software that they themselves offered to users , of course .
Then they discontinued it , re-launched as CatchUp , discontinued it again.. now it 's some weird newsletter thing you can subscribe to.Worked fairly well , though - was just a small utility that I guess checked for installed apps , checked the version info ( from registry / files ) for those it knew , and checked if there were any newer versions offered off of CNet.Sucked when they discontinued it.. meant you had to check the pages / author sites manually all the time.. or subscribe to their RSS feeds ( which only became popular later on ) , etc .
In addition , half the apps I run now have their own update checking stuff.. some check on startup , some check every day , some check once a week... finding the settings for this ( if the settings are even exposed ) can be a to of fun too.. etc.So hooray for Microsoft looking into this... looooong overdue .
I do hope they allow -any- developer/application to take part , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CNet used to have a similar service... only for the software that they themselves offered to users, of course.
Then they discontinued it, re-launched as CatchUp, discontinued it again.. now it's some weird newsletter thing you can subscribe to.Worked fairly well, though - was just a small utility that I guess checked for installed apps, checked the version info (from registry / files) for those it knew, and checked if there were any newer versions offered off of CNet.Sucked when they discontinued it.. meant you had to check the pages / author sites manually all the time.. or subscribe to their RSS feeds (which only became popular later on), etc.
In addition, half the apps I run now have their own update checking stuff.. some check on startup, some check every day, some check once a week... finding the settings for this (if the settings are even exposed) can be a to of fun too.. etc.So hooray for Microsoft looking into this... looooong overdue.
I do hope they allow -any- developer/application to take part, though.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31601984</id>
	<title>IDIOTS!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269461820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You flibbering monkeys! Secunia is distributing the patches, not Microsoft! No news here.  Now, go back to cubicle and finish picking the fleas off of your office mate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You flibbering monkeys !
Secunia is distributing the patches , not Microsoft !
No news here .
Now , go back to cubicle and finish picking the fleas off of your office mate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You flibbering monkeys!
Secunia is distributing the patches, not Microsoft!
No news here.
Now, go back to cubicle and finish picking the fleas off of your office mate.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31608228</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>RMH101</author>
	<datestamp>1269511920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and next the app store.   Think about it, if you buy your apps from your OS vendor's walled garden, then it acts very similarly - e.g. on the iPhone, you get push notifications for any new updates and an "update all" button.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and next the app store .
Think about it , if you buy your apps from your OS vendor 's walled garden , then it acts very similarly - e.g .
on the iPhone , you get push notifications for any new updates and an " update all " button .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and next the app store.
Think about it, if you buy your apps from your OS vendor's walled garden, then it acts very similarly - e.g.
on the iPhone, you get push notifications for any new updates and an "update all" button.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31604612</id>
	<title>Re:Compare?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269429240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WSUS is more like the apple updater then an actual package manager. microsoft almost exclusively releases patches with windows update, only very few applications are deployed that way (live essentials, powershell, thats about it)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WSUS is more like the apple updater then an actual package manager .
microsoft almost exclusively releases patches with windows update , only very few applications are deployed that way ( live essentials , powershell , thats about it )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WSUS is more like the apple updater then an actual package manager.
microsoft almost exclusively releases patches with windows update, only very few applications are deployed that way (live essentials, powershell, thats about it)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602632</id>
	<title>Please let it include Adobe.... Please.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269464280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone who deals with Adobe's lack of a real patch management system, chant after me...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone who deals with Adobe 's lack of a real patch management system , chant after me.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone who deals with Adobe's lack of a real patch management system, chant after me...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31604116</id>
	<title>Definitely Misleading</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269427140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This refers to a press release from Secunia, not Microsoft. Secunia is hardly "in a unique position." ISVs have always had the option of integrating their update processes with Microsoft's system management software (Active Directory, SMS/SCCM, WSUS, et al). Most don't, however, as they would rather charge customers to use a proprietary solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This refers to a press release from Secunia , not Microsoft .
Secunia is hardly " in a unique position .
" ISVs have always had the option of integrating their update processes with Microsoft 's system management software ( Active Directory , SMS/SCCM , WSUS , et al ) .
Most do n't , however , as they would rather charge customers to use a proprietary solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This refers to a press release from Secunia, not Microsoft.
Secunia is hardly "in a unique position.
" ISVs have always had the option of integrating their update processes with Microsoft's system management software (Active Directory, SMS/SCCM, WSUS, et al).
Most don't, however, as they would rather charge customers to use a proprietary solution.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602108</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269462240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>This will hopefully pave the way for other vendors to also make use of Windows' existing patching infrastructure and eliminate the need for the multitude of custom updater applications and services that clutter most systems today.</i> <br> <br>
Or just go to Linux, where most distributions have had something like this for over a decade now. The worst part is, I'm sure I will star hearing from Windows people how fantastic the new "innovation" is...</htmltext>
<tokenext>This will hopefully pave the way for other vendors to also make use of Windows ' existing patching infrastructure and eliminate the need for the multitude of custom updater applications and services that clutter most systems today .
Or just go to Linux , where most distributions have had something like this for over a decade now .
The worst part is , I 'm sure I will star hearing from Windows people how fantastic the new " innovation " is.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will hopefully pave the way for other vendors to also make use of Windows' existing patching infrastructure and eliminate the need for the multitude of custom updater applications and services that clutter most systems today.
Or just go to Linux, where most distributions have had something like this for over a decade now.
The worst part is, I'm sure I will star hearing from Windows people how fantastic the new "innovation" is...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31607874</id>
	<title>Re:About time!</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1269550560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is very little that is not packaged for Debian and derivatives. The other major distros have everything that is commonly used packaged, and a lot of the more minor stuff. There are occasionally things missing but they are usually minor,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is very little that is not packaged for Debian and derivatives .
The other major distros have everything that is commonly used packaged , and a lot of the more minor stuff .
There are occasionally things missing but they are usually minor,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is very little that is not packaged for Debian and derivatives.
The other major distros have everything that is commonly used packaged, and a lot of the more minor stuff.
There are occasionally things missing but they are usually minor,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31601928</id>
	<title>Ah, a new attack vector</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1269461520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Now we just have to break into one of the machines allowed to submit updates to be pushed, and we can <b>rule the world!</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now we just have to break into one of the machines allowed to submit updates to be pushed , and we can rule the world !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Now we just have to break into one of the machines allowed to submit updates to be pushed, and we can rule the world!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602244</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1269462780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But see, a "package manager" is the result of careful research and experience by a bunch of long-haired university-bound communist hippies, so it could never have any usefulness in the real world. Plus it's not a register-able trademark, so customers might realize that there are other better package managers out there. And once they get hooked on apt-get, they'll turn immediately into a clone of RMS and start helping the FSF.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But see , a " package manager " is the result of careful research and experience by a bunch of long-haired university-bound communist hippies , so it could never have any usefulness in the real world .
Plus it 's not a register-able trademark , so customers might realize that there are other better package managers out there .
And once they get hooked on apt-get , they 'll turn immediately into a clone of RMS and start helping the FSF .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But see, a "package manager" is the result of careful research and experience by a bunch of long-haired university-bound communist hippies, so it could never have any usefulness in the real world.
Plus it's not a register-able trademark, so customers might realize that there are other better package managers out there.
And once they get hooked on apt-get, they'll turn immediately into a clone of RMS and start helping the FSF.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31609066</id>
	<title>Re:About time!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269523920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[Since the trollerators usually don&rsquo;t care to read the whole comment before making false assumptions, I will point out, that I use Linux as my main system, love it, but as an expert on the area of UI design, am competent to state the facts how they are. If you don&rsquo;t like it, don&rsquo;t kill the messenger.]</p><p>Just wait. In 5-10 years, KDE and Gnome might create their own clone of it as a frontend for your package manager. It will look very similar, and act very similar too. Down to every little extremely annoying feature. The only difference will be, that the Gnome version will offer only the 3 functions that the developers think the user should use, and the KDE version will beat even MS in annoyance.</p><p>That was exactly what happened to the file manager with KDE4. Before, Konquerer was pretty OK. It had some annoyances, but all in all it was usable. But now there is the abomination called &ldquo;Dolphin&rdquo;.<br>Which chose to imitate every single thing that annoyed you in any version of the Windows Explorer, from Windows 95 until now.<br>Examples: By default, it&rsquo;s a hover/single-click interface. Which makes it extremely fiddly. By default it has no directory tree, but expects you to use it in the same horribly stupid way that you had only windows of icons in Windows 95. Of course it did not forget to make the icons <em>gigantic</em>, with the text centered below them. No, not on the desktop. In the <em>file manager</em>! Every usability expert will tell you that that is the worst possible choice in terms of readability / eye flow. I could go on, and on, and no. It&rsquo;s completely and utterly mental.<br>In fact, I should finally make that video about it. ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>[ Since the trollerators usually don    t care to read the whole comment before making false assumptions , I will point out , that I use Linux as my main system , love it , but as an expert on the area of UI design , am competent to state the facts how they are .
If you don    t like it , don    t kill the messenger .
] Just wait .
In 5-10 years , KDE and Gnome might create their own clone of it as a frontend for your package manager .
It will look very similar , and act very similar too .
Down to every little extremely annoying feature .
The only difference will be , that the Gnome version will offer only the 3 functions that the developers think the user should use , and the KDE version will beat even MS in annoyance.That was exactly what happened to the file manager with KDE4 .
Before , Konquerer was pretty OK. It had some annoyances , but all in all it was usable .
But now there is the abomination called    Dolphin    .Which chose to imitate every single thing that annoyed you in any version of the Windows Explorer , from Windows 95 until now.Examples : By default , it    s a hover/single-click interface .
Which makes it extremely fiddly .
By default it has no directory tree , but expects you to use it in the same horribly stupid way that you had only windows of icons in Windows 95 .
Of course it did not forget to make the icons gigantic , with the text centered below them .
No , not on the desktop .
In the file manager !
Every usability expert will tell you that that is the worst possible choice in terms of readability / eye flow .
I could go on , and on , and no .
It    s completely and utterly mental.In fact , I should finally make that video about it .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[Since the trollerators usually don’t care to read the whole comment before making false assumptions, I will point out, that I use Linux as my main system, love it, but as an expert on the area of UI design, am competent to state the facts how they are.
If you don’t like it, don’t kill the messenger.
]Just wait.
In 5-10 years, KDE and Gnome might create their own clone of it as a frontend for your package manager.
It will look very similar, and act very similar too.
Down to every little extremely annoying feature.
The only difference will be, that the Gnome version will offer only the 3 functions that the developers think the user should use, and the KDE version will beat even MS in annoyance.That was exactly what happened to the file manager with KDE4.
Before, Konquerer was pretty OK. It had some annoyances, but all in all it was usable.
But now there is the abomination called “Dolphin”.Which chose to imitate every single thing that annoyed you in any version of the Windows Explorer, from Windows 95 until now.Examples: By default, it’s a hover/single-click interface.
Which makes it extremely fiddly.
By default it has no directory tree, but expects you to use it in the same horribly stupid way that you had only windows of icons in Windows 95.
Of course it did not forget to make the icons gigantic, with the text centered below them.
No, not on the desktop.
In the file manager!
Every usability expert will tell you that that is the worst possible choice in terms of readability / eye flow.
I could go on, and on, and no.
It’s completely and utterly mental.In fact, I should finally make that video about it.
^^</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603640</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>robot256</author>
	<datestamp>1269425100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or you will start hearing from Windows people how terrible the feature is because MS implemented it poorly, and they will ask how you could possibly put up with such a crappy feature in Linux all these years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you will start hearing from Windows people how terrible the feature is because MS implemented it poorly , and they will ask how you could possibly put up with such a crappy feature in Linux all these years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you will start hearing from Windows people how terrible the feature is because MS implemented it poorly, and they will ask how you could possibly put up with such a crappy feature in Linux all these years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31601902</id>
	<title>This is the first step</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269461460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. distribute 3rd party packages<br>2. ???<br>3. Israel uses your computer to start a world war</p><p>notice the lack of profit, very chilling</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1. distribute 3rd party packages2 .
? ? ? 3. Israel uses your computer to start a world warnotice the lack of profit , very chilling</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1. distribute 3rd party packages2.
???3. Israel uses your computer to start a world warnotice the lack of profit, very chilling</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603268</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269423600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Or just go to Linux, where most distributions have had something like this for over a decade now. The worst part is, I'm sure I will star hearing from Windows people how fantastic the new "innovation" is...</p></div></blockquote><p>Oh!!! I assume you have never met the Apple people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or just go to Linux , where most distributions have had something like this for over a decade now .
The worst part is , I 'm sure I will star hearing from Windows people how fantastic the new " innovation " is...Oh ! ! !
I assume you have never met the Apple people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or just go to Linux, where most distributions have had something like this for over a decade now.
The worst part is, I'm sure I will star hearing from Windows people how fantastic the new "innovation" is...Oh!!!
I assume you have never met the Apple people.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602990</id>
	<title>Re:Compare?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269422520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not trying to ignite a flamewar, I'm just curious about the feature set.  What one side would have to add to reach the other side's level, etc.</p></div><p>You know it will sucks. Why do you still ask?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not trying to ignite a flamewar , I 'm just curious about the feature set .
What one side would have to add to reach the other side 's level , etc.You know it will sucks .
Why do you still ask ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not trying to ignite a flamewar, I'm just curious about the feature set.
What one side would have to add to reach the other side's level, etc.You know it will sucks.
Why do you still ask?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602130</id>
	<title>Small Piece of a 1,000 piece puzzle.</title>
	<author>Mekkah</author>
	<datestamp>1269462360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's just a small piece of the pie.  When they open it up to some other major players I'll be impressed.  <br> <br>It's not like this is a new concept, get with the times; it is for the security of your OS for christ sakes.  Maybe cut down on why OSX or whichever OTHER OS anyone can name has such a virus advantage on you, if even slightly.
<br> <br> <br> Oh and Yes I understand what Secunia entails, but it's still small.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's just a small piece of the pie .
When they open it up to some other major players I 'll be impressed .
It 's not like this is a new concept , get with the times ; it is for the security of your OS for christ sakes .
Maybe cut down on why OSX or whichever OTHER OS anyone can name has such a virus advantage on you , if even slightly .
Oh and Yes I understand what Secunia entails , but it 's still small .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's just a small piece of the pie.
When they open it up to some other major players I'll be impressed.
It's not like this is a new concept, get with the times; it is for the security of your OS for christ sakes.
Maybe cut down on why OSX or whichever OTHER OS anyone can name has such a virus advantage on you, if even slightly.
Oh and Yes I understand what Secunia entails, but it's still small.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602188</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>140Mandak262Jamuna</author>
	<datestamp>1269462600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>No way buddy. It is going to come in so many editions:

<ul>
<li> Absolutely Basic Package Manager</li><li> Expanded Basic Package Manager</li><li> Funeral Director Edition Package Manager (third from the bottom of pricelist!)</li><li> Anything Less Would not work Manager</li><li> Ultimate Home Edition Package Manager (clueless user Special)</li><li> Professional Ultimate Package Manager</li><li> Ultimate Professional  Package Manager with Downgrade to Ugrade Option Bundled</li><li> Super Ultimate Professional with Multimedia Expansion Package Gamer special Package Manager</li><li> Absolutely Super Ultimate, this time really really Ultimate Gamer Professional Home Maker Special Edition Package Manager</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>No way buddy .
It is going to come in so many editions : Absolutely Basic Package Manager Expanded Basic Package Manager Funeral Director Edition Package Manager ( third from the bottom of pricelist !
) Anything Less Would not work Manager Ultimate Home Edition Package Manager ( clueless user Special ) Professional Ultimate Package Manager Ultimate Professional Package Manager with Downgrade to Ugrade Option Bundled Super Ultimate Professional with Multimedia Expansion Package Gamer special Package Manager Absolutely Super Ultimate , this time really really Ultimate Gamer Professional Home Maker Special Edition Package Manager</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No way buddy.
It is going to come in so many editions:


 Absolutely Basic Package Manager Expanded Basic Package Manager Funeral Director Edition Package Manager (third from the bottom of pricelist!
) Anything Less Would not work Manager Ultimate Home Edition Package Manager (clueless user Special) Professional Ultimate Package Manager Ultimate Professional  Package Manager with Downgrade to Ugrade Option Bundled Super Ultimate Professional with Multimedia Expansion Package Gamer special Package Manager Absolutely Super Ultimate, this time really really Ultimate Gamer Professional Home Maker Special Edition Package Manager</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602692</id>
	<title>Re:CNet used to have a similar service</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1269421380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember a program about the same time as CatchUp called OilChange that worked in a similar fashion - scanned the registry and hard drive for known files from common applications, determined the current version, and allowed you to at least tell what of your software was out of date.  A few programs could be updated from right in the tool, most just sent you to the vendor's home page so you could download the updates.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>In addition, half the apps I run now have their own update checking stuff.. some check on startup, some check every day, some check once a week... finding the settings for this (if the settings are even exposed) can be a to of fun too.. etc.</p></div><p>I think my favorites used to be the ones that checked when the app started up.  Adobe Acrobat Reader was really bad about this.  "Would you like to take 30 minutes out of your day to load an Adobe Downloader so you can load the latest version of Adobe Reader so you can reboot and then have to come back to this page so you can read this one-page document, or ignore this and I'll pester you the next time you try to open a document?"</p><p>One of the things that drove me into the loving arms of Linux Mint.  I don't install software, I add repositories and select the software I want installed.  When new versions come out, the centralized updater tells me about them, and with a few clicks o'da mouse and one typing of my password, the dependencies are resolved and the packages are loaded and I'm done.  Oh, and I almost never have to reboot after updates.</p><p>I'm not saying that the clumsy update tools are Microsoft's fault - the vendors have all insisted on going their own way - but it would have been nice to have updates for things like Flash, Adobe, etc all done as part of a daily centralized check rather than 20 background apps bugging me at odd times and a number of other software simply interrupting me when I tried to start it up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember a program about the same time as CatchUp called OilChange that worked in a similar fashion - scanned the registry and hard drive for known files from common applications , determined the current version , and allowed you to at least tell what of your software was out of date .
A few programs could be updated from right in the tool , most just sent you to the vendor 's home page so you could download the updates.In addition , half the apps I run now have their own update checking stuff.. some check on startup , some check every day , some check once a week... finding the settings for this ( if the settings are even exposed ) can be a to of fun too.. etc.I think my favorites used to be the ones that checked when the app started up .
Adobe Acrobat Reader was really bad about this .
" Would you like to take 30 minutes out of your day to load an Adobe Downloader so you can load the latest version of Adobe Reader so you can reboot and then have to come back to this page so you can read this one-page document , or ignore this and I 'll pester you the next time you try to open a document ?
" One of the things that drove me into the loving arms of Linux Mint .
I do n't install software , I add repositories and select the software I want installed .
When new versions come out , the centralized updater tells me about them , and with a few clicks o'da mouse and one typing of my password , the dependencies are resolved and the packages are loaded and I 'm done .
Oh , and I almost never have to reboot after updates.I 'm not saying that the clumsy update tools are Microsoft 's fault - the vendors have all insisted on going their own way - but it would have been nice to have updates for things like Flash , Adobe , etc all done as part of a daily centralized check rather than 20 background apps bugging me at odd times and a number of other software simply interrupting me when I tried to start it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember a program about the same time as CatchUp called OilChange that worked in a similar fashion - scanned the registry and hard drive for known files from common applications, determined the current version, and allowed you to at least tell what of your software was out of date.
A few programs could be updated from right in the tool, most just sent you to the vendor's home page so you could download the updates.In addition, half the apps I run now have their own update checking stuff.. some check on startup, some check every day, some check once a week... finding the settings for this (if the settings are even exposed) can be a to of fun too.. etc.I think my favorites used to be the ones that checked when the app started up.
Adobe Acrobat Reader was really bad about this.
"Would you like to take 30 minutes out of your day to load an Adobe Downloader so you can load the latest version of Adobe Reader so you can reboot and then have to come back to this page so you can read this one-page document, or ignore this and I'll pester you the next time you try to open a document?
"One of the things that drove me into the loving arms of Linux Mint.
I don't install software, I add repositories and select the software I want installed.
When new versions come out, the centralized updater tells me about them, and with a few clicks o'da mouse and one typing of my password, the dependencies are resolved and the packages are loaded and I'm done.
Oh, and I almost never have to reboot after updates.I'm not saying that the clumsy update tools are Microsoft's fault - the vendors have all insisted on going their own way - but it would have been nice to have updates for things like Flash, Adobe, etc all done as part of a daily centralized check rather than 20 background apps bugging me at odd times and a number of other software simply interrupting me when I tried to start it up.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31601856</id>
	<title>Misreading</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269461280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>For a minute I read the headline as "Microsoft to Distribute Eye Patches". With the rate of piracy Microsoft has goin on, I wouldn't be surprised.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For a minute I read the headline as " Microsoft to Distribute Eye Patches " .
With the rate of piracy Microsoft has goin on , I would n't be surprised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a minute I read the headline as "Microsoft to Distribute Eye Patches".
With the rate of piracy Microsoft has goin on, I wouldn't be surprised.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603136</id>
	<title>yes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269423180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a good thing, if done properly.</p><p>It's also part of why people generally smile when they use their phones and frown when they use their computers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a good thing , if done properly.It 's also part of why people generally smile when they use their phones and frown when they use their computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a good thing, if done properly.It's also part of why people generally smile when they use their phones and frown when they use their computers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603426</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone with more info?</title>
	<author>jpcarter</author>
	<datestamp>1269424200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. The <a href="http://secunia.com/company/blog\_news/news/91" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">press release</a> [secunia.com] states that Secuina "...announced that their renowned authenticated internal vulnerability scanner<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... has been integrated with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... WSUS..."</p><p>Is this third party patch management or just a vulnerability scanner built in to WSUS?</p><p>Scanning is neat, but it would be one hell of a lot nicer if I could make sure Flash &amp; Java are updated as easily as the latest Windows updates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
The press release [ secunia.com ] states that Secuina " ...announced that their renowned authenticated internal vulnerability scanner ... has been integrated with ... WSUS... " Is this third party patch management or just a vulnerability scanner built in to WSUS ? Scanning is neat , but it would be one hell of a lot nicer if I could make sure Flash &amp; Java are updated as easily as the latest Windows updates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
The press release [secunia.com] states that Secuina "...announced that their renowned authenticated internal vulnerability scanner ... has been integrated with ... WSUS..."Is this third party patch management or just a vulnerability scanner built in to WSUS?Scanning is neat, but it would be one hell of a lot nicer if I could make sure Flash &amp; Java are updated as easily as the latest Windows updates.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603586</id>
	<title>Re:Compare?</title>
	<author>radish</author>
	<datestamp>1269424860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Broadly speaking they're very similar. With Windows Update it's normally limited to stuff which MS publish, in much the same way as (say) apt-get on Ubuntu is limited to things in the Ubuntu repos by default. Obviously that's a lot more software there as it's freely distributable, but you still get packages sometimes which aren't included in the distro's repos and you have to add another source to your packages list (or even worse, download a tarball and maintain it manually). This change is to allow third party code to come down through Windows Update, in essence adding more package sources.</p><p>It's not new or unique, but it is still useful and a step forward for Windows. Now OSX is the only one without something similar (as far as I know).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Broadly speaking they 're very similar .
With Windows Update it 's normally limited to stuff which MS publish , in much the same way as ( say ) apt-get on Ubuntu is limited to things in the Ubuntu repos by default .
Obviously that 's a lot more software there as it 's freely distributable , but you still get packages sometimes which are n't included in the distro 's repos and you have to add another source to your packages list ( or even worse , download a tarball and maintain it manually ) .
This change is to allow third party code to come down through Windows Update , in essence adding more package sources.It 's not new or unique , but it is still useful and a step forward for Windows .
Now OSX is the only one without something similar ( as far as I know ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Broadly speaking they're very similar.
With Windows Update it's normally limited to stuff which MS publish, in much the same way as (say) apt-get on Ubuntu is limited to things in the Ubuntu repos by default.
Obviously that's a lot more software there as it's freely distributable, but you still get packages sometimes which aren't included in the distro's repos and you have to add another source to your packages list (or even worse, download a tarball and maintain it manually).
This change is to allow third party code to come down through Windows Update, in essence adding more package sources.It's not new or unique, but it is still useful and a step forward for Windows.
Now OSX is the only one without something similar (as far as I know).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602624</id>
	<title>Anyone with more info?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269464280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reading the Secunia website, it seems like this is just a new feature in their 4.0 product, which has been in beta up until today. If the way I read things is correct, it's not like WSUS will be shipping with CSI technology built in; rather, if you purchase CSI 4.0, you'll have the ability to (hopefully, presumably) roll up 3rd party patches so that WSUS will recognize them, and spit them out to clients.</p><p>Which is great, not "Wow I just pissed my pants" great like I originally thought, but still. Can anyone comment on this feature, someone who was in the beta, etc? Ballpark pricing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading the Secunia website , it seems like this is just a new feature in their 4.0 product , which has been in beta up until today .
If the way I read things is correct , it 's not like WSUS will be shipping with CSI technology built in ; rather , if you purchase CSI 4.0 , you 'll have the ability to ( hopefully , presumably ) roll up 3rd party patches so that WSUS will recognize them , and spit them out to clients.Which is great , not " Wow I just pissed my pants " great like I originally thought , but still .
Can anyone comment on this feature , someone who was in the beta , etc ?
Ballpark pricing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading the Secunia website, it seems like this is just a new feature in their 4.0 product, which has been in beta up until today.
If the way I read things is correct, it's not like WSUS will be shipping with CSI technology built in; rather, if you purchase CSI 4.0, you'll have the ability to (hopefully, presumably) roll up 3rd party patches so that WSUS will recognize them, and spit them out to clients.Which is great, not "Wow I just pissed my pants" great like I originally thought, but still.
Can anyone comment on this feature, someone who was in the beta, etc?
Ballpark pricing?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602236</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269462720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What WSUS are you using?  And what the hell are you replacing it with for patch management across a few hundred windows PCs?  It takes me only a matter of a half hour a week to handle and check up on patches and updates.</p><p>WSUS is a free application for deploying and controlling patches that would normally be handled via automatic updates.  Automatic updates still downloads and installs but it pulls from WSUS instead of directly from MS. You can deny patches when there are issues or conflicts and you can see where problems are.  You must be thinking of something entirely different or you don't know what the hell you are doing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What WSUS are you using ?
And what the hell are you replacing it with for patch management across a few hundred windows PCs ?
It takes me only a matter of a half hour a week to handle and check up on patches and updates.WSUS is a free application for deploying and controlling patches that would normally be handled via automatic updates .
Automatic updates still downloads and installs but it pulls from WSUS instead of directly from MS. You can deny patches when there are issues or conflicts and you can see where problems are .
You must be thinking of something entirely different or you do n't know what the hell you are doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What WSUS are you using?
And what the hell are you replacing it with for patch management across a few hundred windows PCs?
It takes me only a matter of a half hour a week to handle and check up on patches and updates.WSUS is a free application for deploying and controlling patches that would normally be handled via automatic updates.
Automatic updates still downloads and installs but it pulls from WSUS instead of directly from MS. You can deny patches when there are issues or conflicts and you can see where problems are.
You must be thinking of something entirely different or you don't know what the hell you are doing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602154</id>
	<title>Wait, what's going on?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269462420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this going to push updates via Windows Update to Windows 7 and other home versions as well, or just Win Server? Or is it even using Windows Update? Is that different from the "Windows Server Update Service?" I don't have anything to do with servers, so I'm honestly confused.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this going to push updates via Windows Update to Windows 7 and other home versions as well , or just Win Server ?
Or is it even using Windows Update ?
Is that different from the " Windows Server Update Service ?
" I do n't have anything to do with servers , so I 'm honestly confused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this going to push updates via Windows Update to Windows 7 and other home versions as well, or just Win Server?
Or is it even using Windows Update?
Is that different from the "Windows Server Update Service?
" I don't have anything to do with servers, so I'm honestly confused.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31601836</id>
	<title>Oh just call it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269461220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, just call it a package manager and get over it. Your fancy words don't make it better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , just call it a package manager and get over it .
Your fancy words do n't make it better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, just call it a package manager and get over it.
Your fancy words don't make it better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603174</id>
	<title>Microsoft doesn't even do this internally!</title>
	<author>SoonerSkeene</author>
	<datestamp>1269423300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've long wondered why Microsoft doesn't use their Windows Update/Microsoft Update infrastructure to offer updates for things like Windows Live Essentials, Sync, Mesh, any other technologies.  Microsoft needs to institute a rule that every group at the company *must* use existing API's before inventing their own system... no duplicate functionality.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've long wondered why Microsoft does n't use their Windows Update/Microsoft Update infrastructure to offer updates for things like Windows Live Essentials , Sync , Mesh , any other technologies .
Microsoft needs to institute a rule that every group at the company * must * use existing API 's before inventing their own system... no duplicate functionality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've long wondered why Microsoft doesn't use their Windows Update/Microsoft Update infrastructure to offer updates for things like Windows Live Essentials, Sync, Mesh, any other technologies.
Microsoft needs to institute a rule that every group at the company *must* use existing API's before inventing their own system... no duplicate functionality.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31604966</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone with more info?</title>
	<author>Kaboom13</author>
	<datestamp>1269431280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was part of the beta test.  CSI 3.0 is a vulnerability scanner similar to their PSI software for home users.  The difference being it remotely scans hosts over the network.  It compares applications it finds on the pcs to a database, and lets you know if anyone of them have security updates available, existing unpatched security flaws, or are end of lifed/discontinued.  The results include links to download the appropriate patches when available.  The 4.0 version adds integration with WSUS  A little used feature of WSUS is the ability to package non-Microsoft software for it, use a cert to sign it, and push it out to clients (assuming they have the cert you used to sign it added ot the local cert store.  The hassle involved has made it seldom, if ever used, because there are easier ways to push out updates.</p><p>What they have done is create software that automates creating and signing the cert, distributing it to clients, signing the packages they have pre-made for you in their database, and adding them to the WSUS server. You can run a scan on your network, find out what software is actually out there in the wild (if you have ever had to wrangle a team of developers or designers that actually need the ability to install things on their own authority you can realize how useful that would be) and add packages to WSUS.  you can then use WSUS to deploy them just like a Windows update.  It actually is pretty slick, of course it all depends on their ability to provide a large and well tested database of patches.</p><p>I didn't have the time or resources during the short beta period to do a real test deployment, but what I saw seemed to work well.  Of course the headline is completely wrong, MS has nothing to do with this, it is a vendor using a published api to extend their product.  I have repeatedly contacted Secunia to obtain pricing info, but have NEVER received a reply.  It is a pity because I like PSI quite a bit, and could probably have gotten a reasonable price approved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was part of the beta test .
CSI 3.0 is a vulnerability scanner similar to their PSI software for home users .
The difference being it remotely scans hosts over the network .
It compares applications it finds on the pcs to a database , and lets you know if anyone of them have security updates available , existing unpatched security flaws , or are end of lifed/discontinued .
The results include links to download the appropriate patches when available .
The 4.0 version adds integration with WSUS A little used feature of WSUS is the ability to package non-Microsoft software for it , use a cert to sign it , and push it out to clients ( assuming they have the cert you used to sign it added ot the local cert store .
The hassle involved has made it seldom , if ever used , because there are easier ways to push out updates.What they have done is create software that automates creating and signing the cert , distributing it to clients , signing the packages they have pre-made for you in their database , and adding them to the WSUS server .
You can run a scan on your network , find out what software is actually out there in the wild ( if you have ever had to wrangle a team of developers or designers that actually need the ability to install things on their own authority you can realize how useful that would be ) and add packages to WSUS .
you can then use WSUS to deploy them just like a Windows update .
It actually is pretty slick , of course it all depends on their ability to provide a large and well tested database of patches.I did n't have the time or resources during the short beta period to do a real test deployment , but what I saw seemed to work well .
Of course the headline is completely wrong , MS has nothing to do with this , it is a vendor using a published api to extend their product .
I have repeatedly contacted Secunia to obtain pricing info , but have NEVER received a reply .
It is a pity because I like PSI quite a bit , and could probably have gotten a reasonable price approved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was part of the beta test.
CSI 3.0 is a vulnerability scanner similar to their PSI software for home users.
The difference being it remotely scans hosts over the network.
It compares applications it finds on the pcs to a database, and lets you know if anyone of them have security updates available, existing unpatched security flaws, or are end of lifed/discontinued.
The results include links to download the appropriate patches when available.
The 4.0 version adds integration with WSUS  A little used feature of WSUS is the ability to package non-Microsoft software for it, use a cert to sign it, and push it out to clients (assuming they have the cert you used to sign it added ot the local cert store.
The hassle involved has made it seldom, if ever used, because there are easier ways to push out updates.What they have done is create software that automates creating and signing the cert, distributing it to clients, signing the packages they have pre-made for you in their database, and adding them to the WSUS server.
You can run a scan on your network, find out what software is actually out there in the wild (if you have ever had to wrangle a team of developers or designers that actually need the ability to install things on their own authority you can realize how useful that would be) and add packages to WSUS.
you can then use WSUS to deploy them just like a Windows update.
It actually is pretty slick, of course it all depends on their ability to provide a large and well tested database of patches.I didn't have the time or resources during the short beta period to do a real test deployment, but what I saw seemed to work well.
Of course the headline is completely wrong, MS has nothing to do with this, it is a vendor using a published api to extend their product.
I have repeatedly contacted Secunia to obtain pricing info, but have NEVER received a reply.
It is a pity because I like PSI quite a bit, and could probably have gotten a reasonable price approved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602104</id>
	<title>Re:About time!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269462240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Wikpedia says that dpkg came out in 1993.</p><p>So Microsoft is only catching up after 17 years.</p><p>--<br>BMO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Wikpedia says that dpkg came out in 1993.So Microsoft is only catching up after 17 years.--BMO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Wikpedia says that dpkg came out in 1993.So Microsoft is only catching up after 17 years.--BMO</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602922</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1269422280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been thinking for quite a long time that Apple and Microsoft to come up with package managers for their operating systems.  It's ironic because after all the talk of it being hard to install things in Linux, it's much easier to keep a Linux system up to date.  In most cases, you can upgrade every application on your computer with a single line in the command line.
</p><p>Microsoft has "Microsoft Update" and Apple has "System Update", so they basically have the system in place already for their own software, but then 3rd party software all installs their own updaters or expect you to hunt down updates on the web.  It seems to me their built-in updaters could be expanded for 3rd party updates through one of two methods:
</p><ol> <li>Microsoft and Apple could each create repositories for approved/certified applications which would be updated through "Microsoft Update" and "System Update", respectively.  This has the advantage of being more secure (repositories would have known-good software in them) but would create a lot of additional work for Microsoft and Apple.  Additionally, this wouldn't address the issue comprehensively since there would be applications which would never become certified.</li>
<li>The other option would be to create an open set of standards that would allow each software developer/publisher to create their own repositories, and programs could add their repositories to the update system at install time.  Then the update system would have a list of separate repositories for each publisher which could be managed by the user.  The main downside I can think of for this is the possibility of malware getting into the repository list.</li>
</ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been thinking for quite a long time that Apple and Microsoft to come up with package managers for their operating systems .
It 's ironic because after all the talk of it being hard to install things in Linux , it 's much easier to keep a Linux system up to date .
In most cases , you can upgrade every application on your computer with a single line in the command line .
Microsoft has " Microsoft Update " and Apple has " System Update " , so they basically have the system in place already for their own software , but then 3rd party software all installs their own updaters or expect you to hunt down updates on the web .
It seems to me their built-in updaters could be expanded for 3rd party updates through one of two methods : Microsoft and Apple could each create repositories for approved/certified applications which would be updated through " Microsoft Update " and " System Update " , respectively .
This has the advantage of being more secure ( repositories would have known-good software in them ) but would create a lot of additional work for Microsoft and Apple .
Additionally , this would n't address the issue comprehensively since there would be applications which would never become certified .
The other option would be to create an open set of standards that would allow each software developer/publisher to create their own repositories , and programs could add their repositories to the update system at install time .
Then the update system would have a list of separate repositories for each publisher which could be managed by the user .
The main downside I can think of for this is the possibility of malware getting into the repository list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been thinking for quite a long time that Apple and Microsoft to come up with package managers for their operating systems.
It's ironic because after all the talk of it being hard to install things in Linux, it's much easier to keep a Linux system up to date.
In most cases, you can upgrade every application on your computer with a single line in the command line.
Microsoft has "Microsoft Update" and Apple has "System Update", so they basically have the system in place already for their own software, but then 3rd party software all installs their own updaters or expect you to hunt down updates on the web.
It seems to me their built-in updaters could be expanded for 3rd party updates through one of two methods:
 Microsoft and Apple could each create repositories for approved/certified applications which would be updated through "Microsoft Update" and "System Update", respectively.
This has the advantage of being more secure (repositories would have known-good software in them) but would create a lot of additional work for Microsoft and Apple.
Additionally, this wouldn't address the issue comprehensively since there would be applications which would never become certified.
The other option would be to create an open set of standards that would allow each software developer/publisher to create their own repositories, and programs could add their repositories to the update system at install time.
Then the update system would have a list of separate repositories for each publisher which could be managed by the user.
The main downside I can think of for this is the possibility of malware getting into the repository list.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602390</id>
	<title>Personal Software Inspector</title>
	<author>xippie</author>
	<datestamp>1269463380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use PSI (Personal Software Inspector) <a href="http://secunia.com/vulnerability\_scanning/personal/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/vulnerability\_scanning/personal/</a> [secunia.com] \</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use PSI ( Personal Software Inspector ) http : //secunia.com/vulnerability \ _scanning/personal/ [ secunia.com ] \</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use PSI (Personal Software Inspector) http://secunia.com/vulnerability\_scanning/personal/ [secunia.com] \</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603158</id>
	<title>*Yawn*</title>
	<author>necrogram</author>
	<datestamp>1269423240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is nothing new.  MS has a tool called System Center Custom Update Pubpluser (or SCUP). Dell, Citrix, and Adobe Flash all have had catalogs to publish into WSUS/SCCM since 2007.  Shavik put out a custom catalog last week.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is nothing new .
MS has a tool called System Center Custom Update Pubpluser ( or SCUP ) .
Dell , Citrix , and Adobe Flash all have had catalogs to publish into WSUS/SCCM since 2007 .
Shavik put out a custom catalog last week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is nothing new.
MS has a tool called System Center Custom Update Pubpluser (or SCUP).
Dell, Citrix, and Adobe Flash all have had catalogs to publish into WSUS/SCCM since 2007.
Shavik put out a custom catalog last week.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31653160</id>
	<title>Re:The end for Internet Explorer</title>
	<author>harryjohnston</author>
	<datestamp>1269795960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if you can afford it.  I don't think it's overpriced per se, but the minimum purchase may put it out of reach of many small organisations.  (And perhaps large organisations with tight IT budgets!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... if you can afford it .
I do n't think it 's overpriced per se , but the minimum purchase may put it out of reach of many small organisations .
( And perhaps large organisations with tight IT budgets !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... if you can afford it.
I don't think it's overpriced per se, but the minimum purchase may put it out of reach of many small organisations.
(And perhaps large organisations with tight IT budgets!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603748</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269425580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You really can't call it a package manager because it doesn't do dependency<b>[1]</b> and it doesn't do upgrades<b>[2]</b>. It just does patches<b>[3]</b> - which is why it is not called a package manager.</p></div><p>I assume the parent was referring to Windows Update, in which case, 1 and 2 and 3 are untrue.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You really ca n't call it a package manager because it does n't do dependency [ 1 ] and it does n't do upgrades [ 2 ] .
It just does patches [ 3 ] - which is why it is not called a package manager.I assume the parent was referring to Windows Update , in which case , 1 and 2 and 3 are untrue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really can't call it a package manager because it doesn't do dependency[1] and it doesn't do upgrades[2].
It just does patches[3] - which is why it is not called a package manager.I assume the parent was referring to Windows Update, in which case, 1 and 2 and 3 are untrue.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603042</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Prefader</author>
	<datestamp>1269422760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The worst part is, I'm sure I will star hearing from Windows people how fantastic the new "innovation" is...</p></div></blockquote><p>Of course they will!  It was their idea!(copyright 2009 Microsoft Corp.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The worst part is , I 'm sure I will star hearing from Windows people how fantastic the new " innovation " is...Of course they will !
It was their idea !
( copyright 2009 Microsoft Corp. )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The worst part is, I'm sure I will star hearing from Windows people how fantastic the new "innovation" is...Of course they will!
It was their idea!
(copyright 2009 Microsoft Corp.)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31601876</id>
	<title>About time!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269461400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>About time..how long has Linux been doing this?</htmltext>
<tokenext>About time..how long has Linux been doing this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About time..how long has Linux been doing this?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603700</id>
	<title>Seems like a misleading headline...</title>
	<author>OdoylesRule</author>
	<datestamp>1269425400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dang! I was excited, but alas WSUS isn't distributing the third-party patches, other software "Secunia CSI" is, which is not a free Microsoft download like WSUS is. You still need two different pieces of software (even if they ARE integrated) to accomplish this.  Doesn't seem like big news.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dang !
I was excited , but alas WSUS is n't distributing the third-party patches , other software " Secunia CSI " is , which is not a free Microsoft download like WSUS is .
You still need two different pieces of software ( even if they ARE integrated ) to accomplish this .
Does n't seem like big news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dang!
I was excited, but alas WSUS isn't distributing the third-party patches, other software "Secunia CSI" is, which is not a free Microsoft download like WSUS is.
You still need two different pieces of software (even if they ARE integrated) to accomplish this.
Doesn't seem like big news.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602520</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>melikamp</author>
	<datestamp>1269463920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FUN FACT:

</p><p>Quickly pronouncing ASUTTRRUGPHM SE PM three times in a row is the last trial of Microsoft Professional certification, and the one
that counts for 90\% of the total score.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FUN FACT : Quickly pronouncing ASUTTRRUGPHM SE PM three times in a row is the last trial of Microsoft Professional certification , and the one that counts for 90 \ % of the total score .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FUN FACT:

Quickly pronouncing ASUTTRRUGPHM SE PM three times in a row is the last trial of Microsoft Professional certification, and the one
that counts for 90\% of the total score.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602248</id>
	<title>orly?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269462780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What could possibly go wrong!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What could possibly go wrong !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What could possibly go wrong!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31607792</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1269548700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you turn off the lights in the bathroom at night and say that into a mirror three times backwards, Steve Jobs appears behind you and pulls a black turtleneck over your head.</p><p>A turtleneck... that you can NEVER REMOVE!</p><p>*thunderclap*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you turn off the lights in the bathroom at night and say that into a mirror three times backwards , Steve Jobs appears behind you and pulls a black turtleneck over your head.A turtleneck... that you can NEVER REMOVE !
* thunderclap *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you turn off the lights in the bathroom at night and say that into a mirror three times backwards, Steve Jobs appears behind you and pulls a black turtleneck over your head.A turtleneck... that you can NEVER REMOVE!
*thunderclap*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603976</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1269426420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"you can upgrade every application on your computer with a single line in the command line."</p><p>Even better:</p><p>aptitude safe-upgrade</p><p>Because, sometimes, upgrading EVERYTHING breaks obscure dependencies.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;^)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" you can upgrade every application on your computer with a single line in the command line .
" Even better : aptitude safe-upgradeBecause , sometimes , upgrading EVERYTHING breaks obscure dependencies .
; ^ )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"you can upgrade every application on your computer with a single line in the command line.
"Even better:aptitude safe-upgradeBecause, sometimes, upgrading EVERYTHING breaks obscure dependencies.
;^)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31604608</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>rjch</author>
	<datestamp>1269429240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You really can't call it a package manager because it doesn't do dependency and it doesn't do upgrades. It just does patches - which is why it is not called a package manager.</p></div><p>Actually, WSUS <i>does</i> do dependences, even if it does them badly. I do agree that calling it a package manager is an overstatement though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You really ca n't call it a package manager because it does n't do dependency and it does n't do upgrades .
It just does patches - which is why it is not called a package manager.Actually , WSUS does do dependences , even if it does them badly .
I do agree that calling it a package manager is an overstatement though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really can't call it a package manager because it doesn't do dependency and it doesn't do upgrades.
It just does patches - which is why it is not called a package manager.Actually, WSUS does do dependences, even if it does them badly.
I do agree that calling it a package manager is an overstatement though.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31604072</id>
	<title>Re:About time!</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1269426960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>200 distros?  Really?  Confining ourselves to Linux - I think there are a half dozen root distros, with dozens of derivatives from each.</p><p>There are three main package managers, one of which will work with almost any distro you choose.</p><p>I know - half the people in the world can't decide what color socks to wear today, so they only buy black socks, or white socks.  Some of the rest of us buy both black and white, and mix and match according to mood.  Some daring individuals actually buy COLORFUL socks, and manage to keep up with the pairs.</p><p>The point is, not everyone is retarded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>200 distros ?
Really ? Confining ourselves to Linux - I think there are a half dozen root distros , with dozens of derivatives from each.There are three main package managers , one of which will work with almost any distro you choose.I know - half the people in the world ca n't decide what color socks to wear today , so they only buy black socks , or white socks .
Some of the rest of us buy both black and white , and mix and match according to mood .
Some daring individuals actually buy COLORFUL socks , and manage to keep up with the pairs.The point is , not everyone is retarded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>200 distros?
Really?  Confining ourselves to Linux - I think there are a half dozen root distros, with dozens of derivatives from each.There are three main package managers, one of which will work with almost any distro you choose.I know - half the people in the world can't decide what color socks to wear today, so they only buy black socks, or white socks.
Some of the rest of us buy both black and white, and mix and match according to mood.
Some daring individuals actually buy COLORFUL socks, and manage to keep up with the pairs.The point is, not everyone is retarded.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603392</id>
	<title>Die PatchLink DIE!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269424080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You had it coming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You had it coming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You had it coming.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31605810</id>
	<title>Re:About time!</title>
	<author>clysel</author>
	<datestamp>1269437280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>dpkg is ported for windows<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... take a look at <a href="http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php</a> [sourceforge.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>dpkg is ported for windows ... take a look at http : //windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dpkg is ported for windows ... take a look at http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603582</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Voyager529</author>
	<datestamp>1269424800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh I'm fully aware of how awesome Synaptic/Yum/$PACKAGE\_MANAGER is, but unfortunately I doubt that a full-blown software repo will ever happen on Windows, because ultimately, it will end up as one of two scenarios:</p><p>1.) Microsoft requires all software added to the repo to have a specific digital certificate, and/or additional repos themselves will have to be signed and secured. These certificates will cost $$$$. Some indi dev will want to get their software in the repo, won't be able to afford it, and Microsoft will find itself in court faster than a hooker running out of church. That, or some shady software dealer will find itself being unsigned 'cuz someone at MS doesn't trust them or they sue...the details may change, but the bottom line is that if Microsoft discriminates who gets in and who doesn't, regardless of whether they have a legit reason to do so, they'll end up in court.</p><p>2.) Microsoft allows any repo, signed or unsigned, to be added to the repo/update tree. Malware attacks shift from "click here to remove the 638 trojans our fake virus scanner found" to "click here to add our repo and install our fake virus scanner". Status quo remains unchanged, and the point of adding repos in the first place gets mitigated.</p><p>I love the entire concept of package managers and would LOVE to see Synaptic on Windows. The problem is, the Windows platform is just too entrenched to make a package manager work there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh I 'm fully aware of how awesome Synaptic/Yum/ $ PACKAGE \ _MANAGER is , but unfortunately I doubt that a full-blown software repo will ever happen on Windows , because ultimately , it will end up as one of two scenarios : 1 .
) Microsoft requires all software added to the repo to have a specific digital certificate , and/or additional repos themselves will have to be signed and secured .
These certificates will cost $ $ $ $ .
Some indi dev will want to get their software in the repo , wo n't be able to afford it , and Microsoft will find itself in court faster than a hooker running out of church .
That , or some shady software dealer will find itself being unsigned 'cuz someone at MS does n't trust them or they sue...the details may change , but the bottom line is that if Microsoft discriminates who gets in and who does n't , regardless of whether they have a legit reason to do so , they 'll end up in court.2 .
) Microsoft allows any repo , signed or unsigned , to be added to the repo/update tree .
Malware attacks shift from " click here to remove the 638 trojans our fake virus scanner found " to " click here to add our repo and install our fake virus scanner " .
Status quo remains unchanged , and the point of adding repos in the first place gets mitigated.I love the entire concept of package managers and would LOVE to see Synaptic on Windows .
The problem is , the Windows platform is just too entrenched to make a package manager work there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh I'm fully aware of how awesome Synaptic/Yum/$PACKAGE\_MANAGER is, but unfortunately I doubt that a full-blown software repo will ever happen on Windows, because ultimately, it will end up as one of two scenarios:1.
) Microsoft requires all software added to the repo to have a specific digital certificate, and/or additional repos themselves will have to be signed and secured.
These certificates will cost $$$$.
Some indi dev will want to get their software in the repo, won't be able to afford it, and Microsoft will find itself in court faster than a hooker running out of church.
That, or some shady software dealer will find itself being unsigned 'cuz someone at MS doesn't trust them or they sue...the details may change, but the bottom line is that if Microsoft discriminates who gets in and who doesn't, regardless of whether they have a legit reason to do so, they'll end up in court.2.
) Microsoft allows any repo, signed or unsigned, to be added to the repo/update tree.
Malware attacks shift from "click here to remove the 638 trojans our fake virus scanner found" to "click here to add our repo and install our fake virus scanner".
Status quo remains unchanged, and the point of adding repos in the first place gets mitigated.I love the entire concept of package managers and would LOVE to see Synaptic on Windows.
The problem is, the Windows platform is just too entrenched to make a package manager work there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602310</id>
	<title>Comprehensiveness?</title>
	<author>MrTripps</author>
	<datestamp>1269463020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think the editor of that piece had enough comprehensiveness has the second and third paragraphs are practically identical swatches of marketing vomit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the editor of that piece had enough comprehensiveness has the second and third paragraphs are practically identical swatches of marketing vomit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the editor of that piece had enough comprehensiveness has the second and third paragraphs are practically identical swatches of marketing vomit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602014</id>
	<title>Misleading article</title>
	<author>djben</author>
	<datestamp>1269461880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Correct me if I am wrong, but Secunia is announcing that they are going to piggy-back on an existing WSUS server, and not that WSUS is going to start shipping with and deploying Secunia's updates for everyone who uses WSUS?

I'm not sure why this is anything special at all. I help people replace WSUS all the time and they want to use less of it, not more.

Perhaps I'm not understanding something here...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Correct me if I am wrong , but Secunia is announcing that they are going to piggy-back on an existing WSUS server , and not that WSUS is going to start shipping with and deploying Secunia 's updates for everyone who uses WSUS ?
I 'm not sure why this is anything special at all .
I help people replace WSUS all the time and they want to use less of it , not more .
Perhaps I 'm not understanding something here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correct me if I am wrong, but Secunia is announcing that they are going to piggy-back on an existing WSUS server, and not that WSUS is going to start shipping with and deploying Secunia's updates for everyone who uses WSUS?
I'm not sure why this is anything special at all.
I help people replace WSUS all the time and they want to use less of it, not more.
Perhaps I'm not understanding something here...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603068</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269422880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>windows installer is a package manager, windows update is a delivery mechanism. dodo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>windows installer is a package manager , windows update is a delivery mechanism .
dodo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>windows installer is a package manager, windows update is a delivery mechanism.
dodo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602368</id>
	<title>The end for Internet Explorer</title>
	<author>fran6gagne</author>
	<datestamp>1269463260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only reason we keep using Internet Explorer at work is because we can patch it with WSUS. So if we could patch firefox with WSUS, it will be the end of IE in our environment! Can't wait for that day to come....</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only reason we keep using Internet Explorer at work is because we can patch it with WSUS .
So if we could patch firefox with WSUS , it will be the end of IE in our environment !
Ca n't wait for that day to come... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only reason we keep using Internet Explorer at work is because we can patch it with WSUS.
So if we could patch firefox with WSUS, it will be the end of IE in our environment!
Can't wait for that day to come....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602332</id>
	<title>Would you like to install the 3rd Party Patch NOW?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269463140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>installing Microsoft third-party patch.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..<br>Zeus bot installing..<br>Rustock installing...<br>Chuck Norris installing...<br>Koobface installing..</p><p>and so on and so forth.</p><p>Name\_your\_favorite\_botnet installing..............</p><p>You get the picture.</p><p>Yours In Olyokminsk.<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmckIurIg6E" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Kilgore Trout</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>installing Microsoft third-party patch .
..Zeus bot installing..Rustock installing...Chuck Norris installing...Koobface installing..and so on and so forth.Name \ _your \ _favorite \ _botnet installing..............You get the picture.Yours In Olyokminsk.Kilgore Trout [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>installing Microsoft third-party patch.
..Zeus bot installing..Rustock installing...Chuck Norris installing...Koobface installing..and so on and so forth.Name\_your\_favorite\_botnet installing..............You get the picture.Yours In Olyokminsk.Kilgore Trout [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603090</id>
	<title>Re:About time!</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1269423000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>About time..how long has Linux been doing this?</i> </p><p>about the time the geek discovered that compiling from source can be a royal pain in the butt -<br>and that a solution had to be found for the non-technical end user.</p><p>there remains the problem of programs that aren't packaged for your distribution - and the fragmentation of Linux into 200 or so odd distros can make OSX and Windows seem like models of shining sanity.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>About time..how long has Linux been doing this ?
about the time the geek discovered that compiling from source can be a royal pain in the butt -and that a solution had to be found for the non-technical end user.there remains the problem of programs that are n't packaged for your distribution - and the fragmentation of Linux into 200 or so odd distros can make OSX and Windows seem like models of shining sanity .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>About time..how long has Linux been doing this?
about the time the geek discovered that compiling from source can be a royal pain in the butt -and that a solution had to be found for the non-technical end user.there remains the problem of programs that aren't packaged for your distribution - and the fragmentation of Linux into 200 or so odd distros can make OSX and Windows seem like models of shining sanity.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602312</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269463080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except you cannot install or remove programs from this. So its not a package manager.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except you can not install or remove programs from this .
So its not a package manager .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except you cannot install or remove programs from this.
So its not a package manager.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602886</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>game kid</author>
	<datestamp>1269422160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Ultimate Gamer Professional Home Maker</p></div></blockquote><p>One (or two) of those words is not like the other words.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ultimate Gamer Professional Home MakerOne ( or two ) of those words is not like the other words .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ultimate Gamer Professional Home MakerOne (or two) of those words is not like the other words.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602042</id>
	<title>Obama shit on the USA and the idiots ate it up.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269462000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Insurance companies are going to have you in the ass by the time this is over. Just like with the credit card regulations; one set of problems disappear, a new set arises. This will be no different.<br> <br>Eat it up dipshits. You're committed for the long haul now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Insurance companies are going to have you in the ass by the time this is over .
Just like with the credit card regulations ; one set of problems disappear , a new set arises .
This will be no different .
Eat it up dipshits .
You 're committed for the long haul now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Insurance companies are going to have you in the ass by the time this is over.
Just like with the credit card regulations; one set of problems disappear, a new set arises.
This will be no different.
Eat it up dipshits.
You're committed for the long haul now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31602192</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269462600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You really can't call it a package manager because it doesn't do dependency and it doesn't do upgrades. It just does patches - which is why it is not called a package manager.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You really ca n't call it a package manager because it does n't do dependency and it does n't do upgrades .
It just does patches - which is why it is not called a package manager .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really can't call it a package manager because it doesn't do dependency and it doesn't do upgrades.
It just does patches - which is why it is not called a package manager.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603744</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Spad</author>
	<datestamp>1269425580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is it with all the Linux zealots tonight? If Microsoft doesn't do something, they're stupid and Linux is much better for doing it; if they *do* do something then they're lame for taking so long to implement something that Linux has done for years.</p><p>Can't we just be glad that someone has finally made a decent job of integrating 3rd party patching into WSUS? I know I am, if for no other reason than it means I might finally be able to get a consistent version of Adobe Reader &amp; Flash across our network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is it with all the Linux zealots tonight ?
If Microsoft does n't do something , they 're stupid and Linux is much better for doing it ; if they * do * do something then they 're lame for taking so long to implement something that Linux has done for years.Ca n't we just be glad that someone has finally made a decent job of integrating 3rd party patching into WSUS ?
I know I am , if for no other reason than it means I might finally be able to get a consistent version of Adobe Reader &amp; Flash across our network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is it with all the Linux zealots tonight?
If Microsoft doesn't do something, they're stupid and Linux is much better for doing it; if they *do* do something then they're lame for taking so long to implement something that Linux has done for years.Can't we just be glad that someone has finally made a decent job of integrating 3rd party patching into WSUS?
I know I am, if for no other reason than it means I might finally be able to get a consistent version of Adobe Reader &amp; Flash across our network.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603312</id>
	<title>Isn't this a good thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269423780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Come on, we KNOW it's a package manager.  They know we know it.  However, beyond the mudslinging, and however late to the party they are, don't we owe MS a pat on the back for doing the right thing here?  I mean they could flub it up, but this has the potential to be good for the MS ecosystem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on , we KNOW it 's a package manager .
They know we know it .
However , beyond the mudslinging , and however late to the party they are , do n't we owe MS a pat on the back for doing the right thing here ?
I mean they could flub it up , but this has the potential to be good for the MS ecosystem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on, we KNOW it's a package manager.
They know we know it.
However, beyond the mudslinging, and however late to the party they are, don't we owe MS a pat on the back for doing the right thing here?
I mean they could flub it up, but this has the potential to be good for the MS ecosystem.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603692</id>
	<title>Re:About time!</title>
	<author>Spad</author>
	<datestamp>1269425340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux doesn't have to worry about licensing problems with distributing 3rd party application patches and users coming to them for support if said patches cause issues with their machines. Not to mention the ludicrous number of different installation and patching mechanisms used by each vendor. Oh, and all those retarded apps that force you to manually uninstall the existing version before you can "upgrade" to the latest one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux does n't have to worry about licensing problems with distributing 3rd party application patches and users coming to them for support if said patches cause issues with their machines .
Not to mention the ludicrous number of different installation and patching mechanisms used by each vendor .
Oh , and all those retarded apps that force you to manually uninstall the existing version before you can " upgrade " to the latest one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux doesn't have to worry about licensing problems with distributing 3rd party application patches and users coming to them for support if said patches cause issues with their machines.
Not to mention the ludicrous number of different installation and patching mechanisms used by each vendor.
Oh, and all those retarded apps that force you to manually uninstall the existing version before you can "upgrade" to the latest one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603474</id>
	<title>Re:Oh just call it</title>
	<author>Volante3192</author>
	<datestamp>1269424380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Plus it's not a register-able trademark</i></p><p>You must excel at your access to exchange in an office with windows.  Word.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plus it 's not a register-able trademarkYou must excel at your access to exchange in an office with windows .
Word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plus it's not a register-able trademarkYou must excel at your access to exchange in an office with windows.
Word.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_189248.31603296</id>
	<title>Re:OSS Alternative</title>
	<author>Animaether</author>
	<datestamp>1269423720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That looks like it's great -if- and only if you only have your own intranet to worry about?</p><p>I.e. a system administrator for a local network suggesting that users should install Update X for Application Y, and having that served up to -those- machines through windows updates.</p><p>It doesn't do anything for a software publisher wanting their clients to know about updates.  For that, you'd still need your own update checker?</p><p>Maybe I'm mis-reading that mechanism, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That looks like it 's great -if- and only if you only have your own intranet to worry about ? I.e .
a system administrator for a local network suggesting that users should install Update X for Application Y , and having that served up to -those- machines through windows updates.It does n't do anything for a software publisher wanting their clients to know about updates .
For that , you 'd still need your own update checker ? Maybe I 'm mis-reading that mechanism , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That looks like it's great -if- and only if you only have your own intranet to worry about?I.e.
a system administrator for a local network suggesting that users should install Update X for Application Y, and having that served up to -those- machines through windows updates.It doesn't do anything for a software publisher wanting their clients to know about updates.
For that, you'd still need your own update checker?Maybe I'm mis-reading that mechanism, though.</sentencetext>
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