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	<title>The $8,500 Gaming Table You Want</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1269440280000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Recently I stumbled upon <a href="http://www.geekchichq.com/Co\_Store/The\_Showroom/The\_Sultan/The\_Sultan.html">The Sultan Gaming Table</a>.  With a price tag of over $8K, it would have to be awesome: but it has little compartments for the players and DM as well as a drop-down playing surface.  If you find the pricetag daunting then you are a sane person, and might instead want to look at <a href="http://www.geekchichq.com/Co\_Store/The\_Showroom/The\_Emissary/The\_Emissary.html">the Emissary</a> which starts at a "mere" $1,500 and has many of the same features.  Honestly I just love the idea of having my minis on a playing surface underneath the dinner table.  I ought to be allowed to expense one of these.  I also wish they had more pictures and fewer renderings on the site.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Recently I stumbled upon The Sultan Gaming Table .
With a price tag of over $ 8K , it would have to be awesome : but it has little compartments for the players and DM as well as a drop-down playing surface .
If you find the pricetag daunting then you are a sane person , and might instead want to look at the Emissary which starts at a " mere " $ 1,500 and has many of the same features .
Honestly I just love the idea of having my minis on a playing surface underneath the dinner table .
I ought to be allowed to expense one of these .
I also wish they had more pictures and fewer renderings on the site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Recently I stumbled upon The Sultan Gaming Table.
With a price tag of over $8K, it would have to be awesome: but it has little compartments for the players and DM as well as a drop-down playing surface.
If you find the pricetag daunting then you are a sane person, and might instead want to look at the Emissary which starts at a "mere" $1,500 and has many of the same features.
Honestly I just love the idea of having my minis on a playing surface underneath the dinner table.
I ought to be allowed to expense one of these.
I also wish they had more pictures and fewer renderings on the site.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597808</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>harl</author>
	<datestamp>1269446400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How can you look at it?  There are no pictures of it.  Just concept renderings.  Does it even exist?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How can you look at it ?
There are no pictures of it .
Just concept renderings .
Does it even exist ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can you look at it?
There are no pictures of it.
Just concept renderings.
Does it even exist?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597648</id>
	<title>Re:That is a horrible gaming table</title>
	<author>cmiller173</author>
	<datestamp>1269445680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fold down "desks" for each player, you chair doesn't have to go under it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fold down " desks " for each player , you chair does n't have to go under it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fold down "desks" for each player, you chair doesn't have to go under it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597976</id>
	<title>ta3o</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269447120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>out of bed in the 5haal we? OK!</htmltext>
<tokenext>out of bed in the 5haal we ?
OK !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>out of bed in the 5haal we?
OK!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31605496</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>stonewallred</author>
	<datestamp>1269434760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lol unless you buy a very good jig for that endeavor. Dove tails, and especially blind ones are hard without practice, jigs and a little skill. And you would not use dove tail joints to make the table top. You'd use biscuit joints or dowels, and glue. And then you need a good planer to smooth the surface and get them all the same thickness. I could probably make a table like that, layout wise and it would be nice, but nowhere near the grade of finish nor the perfection. And I have some small experience working with my hands with wood and power equipment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lol unless you buy a very good jig for that endeavor .
Dove tails , and especially blind ones are hard without practice , jigs and a little skill .
And you would not use dove tail joints to make the table top .
You 'd use biscuit joints or dowels , and glue .
And then you need a good planer to smooth the surface and get them all the same thickness .
I could probably make a table like that , layout wise and it would be nice , but nowhere near the grade of finish nor the perfection .
And I have some small experience working with my hands with wood and power equipment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lol unless you buy a very good jig for that endeavor.
Dove tails, and especially blind ones are hard without practice, jigs and a little skill.
And you would not use dove tail joints to make the table top.
You'd use biscuit joints or dowels, and glue.
And then you need a good planer to smooth the surface and get them all the same thickness.
I could probably make a table like that, layout wise and it would be nice, but nowhere near the grade of finish nor the perfection.
And I have some small experience working with my hands with wood and power equipment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31598760</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Princeofcups</author>
	<datestamp>1269449760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Get some first hand experience with carpentry and build yourself one. It's not difficult.</p></div><p>Then please build me one.  No, actually, I doubt if you've ever picked up a wood working tool in your life.  Carpentry is a craft that it is not picked up overnight, not to mention the cost of the tools and wood.  You need more than some "borrowed tools."  Please go troll somewhere else.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get some first hand experience with carpentry and build yourself one .
It 's not difficult.Then please build me one .
No , actually , I doubt if you 've ever picked up a wood working tool in your life .
Carpentry is a craft that it is not picked up overnight , not to mention the cost of the tools and wood .
You need more than some " borrowed tools .
" Please go troll somewhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get some first hand experience with carpentry and build yourself one.
It's not difficult.Then please build me one.
No, actually, I doubt if you've ever picked up a wood working tool in your life.
Carpentry is a craft that it is not picked up overnight, not to mention the cost of the tools and wood.
You need more than some "borrowed tools.
"  Please go troll somewhere else.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31598170</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Deus.1.01</author>
	<datestamp>1269447780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What you're telling me there arent millionaire nerds?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What you 're telling me there arent millionaire nerds ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you're telling me there arent millionaire nerds?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31598620</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1269449400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wooster?  Don't you mean Jeeves?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wooster ?
Do n't you mean Jeeves ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wooster?
Don't you mean Jeeves?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31598320</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269448380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What you're outlining is likely to fall apart in a year or less. The reason this table costs $8500 is because it's hardwood, not MDF, it's filled to the brim with dovetails, mortise and tenons, and other fine woodworking techniques.</p><p>Yes, the proper tools and real hardwood would likely be cheaper than the $8500 price tag (if you go with a brand like Ryobi), but that's not including your time. On the other hand, woodworking is quite enjoyable and you will definitely learn a few things. Just don't expect anything of nearly the same quality as the finely crafted table in the summary. That level of joinery only comes with experience.</p><p>I'm sure the makers of this table are fully aware that most gamers can't afford it. They're not making it for most gamers though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What you 're outlining is likely to fall apart in a year or less .
The reason this table costs $ 8500 is because it 's hardwood , not MDF , it 's filled to the brim with dovetails , mortise and tenons , and other fine woodworking techniques.Yes , the proper tools and real hardwood would likely be cheaper than the $ 8500 price tag ( if you go with a brand like Ryobi ) , but that 's not including your time .
On the other hand , woodworking is quite enjoyable and you will definitely learn a few things .
Just do n't expect anything of nearly the same quality as the finely crafted table in the summary .
That level of joinery only comes with experience.I 'm sure the makers of this table are fully aware that most gamers ca n't afford it .
They 're not making it for most gamers though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you're outlining is likely to fall apart in a year or less.
The reason this table costs $8500 is because it's hardwood, not MDF, it's filled to the brim with dovetails, mortise and tenons, and other fine woodworking techniques.Yes, the proper tools and real hardwood would likely be cheaper than the $8500 price tag (if you go with a brand like Ryobi), but that's not including your time.
On the other hand, woodworking is quite enjoyable and you will definitely learn a few things.
Just don't expect anything of nearly the same quality as the finely crafted table in the summary.
That level of joinery only comes with experience.I'm sure the makers of this table are fully aware that most gamers can't afford it.
They're not making it for most gamers though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597920</id>
	<title>You can buy a lot of pinball games for $8500 or</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269446880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can buy a lot of pinball games for $8500 or 2-3 new games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can buy a lot of pinball games for $ 8500 or 2-3 new games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can buy a lot of pinball games for $8500 or 2-3 new games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597966</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1269447060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A buddy of mine plays with a set of polyhedral dice that cost him $3800.00 for the set.   They are cut from meteorites.  his D20 cost $450.00 on it's own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A buddy of mine plays with a set of polyhedral dice that cost him $ 3800.00 for the set .
They are cut from meteorites .
his D20 cost $ 450.00 on it 's own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A buddy of mine plays with a set of polyhedral dice that cost him $3800.00 for the set.
They are cut from meteorites.
his D20 cost $450.00 on it's own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597696</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1269445920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;Get some first hand experience with carpentry and build yourself one. It's not difficult.</p><p>The only B I got in middle school was in woodworking. I did win the award for "Best Citizenship in Woodworking", which was kind of like getting kicked in the nuts for the long drive out to the school awards ceremony.</p><p>I've been looking for a gaming table for a while now. If their prices were about half what they are now, I'd probably buy one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; Get some first hand experience with carpentry and build yourself one .
It 's not difficult.The only B I got in middle school was in woodworking .
I did win the award for " Best Citizenship in Woodworking " , which was kind of like getting kicked in the nuts for the long drive out to the school awards ceremony.I 've been looking for a gaming table for a while now .
If their prices were about half what they are now , I 'd probably buy one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;Get some first hand experience with carpentry and build yourself one.
It's not difficult.The only B I got in middle school was in woodworking.
I did win the award for "Best Citizenship in Woodworking", which was kind of like getting kicked in the nuts for the long drive out to the school awards ceremony.I've been looking for a gaming table for a while now.
If their prices were about half what they are now, I'd probably buy one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31598192</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>TheModelEskimo</author>
	<datestamp>1269447840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know a family who would have no problem spending the money on a table like this. They play games all the time, and $8500 for an heirloom-quality piece is nothing to them. They spend about that much on computer hardware every year anyway.
<br> <br>
I don't think the owners of this company -- like any other company -- really care that there is an enthusiast market out there that is more than willing to build its own gaming tables. They probably would never match this table, feature-for-feature, anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know a family who would have no problem spending the money on a table like this .
They play games all the time , and $ 8500 for an heirloom-quality piece is nothing to them .
They spend about that much on computer hardware every year anyway .
I do n't think the owners of this company -- like any other company -- really care that there is an enthusiast market out there that is more than willing to build its own gaming tables .
They probably would never match this table , feature-for-feature , anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know a family who would have no problem spending the money on a table like this.
They play games all the time, and $8500 for an heirloom-quality piece is nothing to them.
They spend about that much on computer hardware every year anyway.
I don't think the owners of this company -- like any other company -- really care that there is an enthusiast market out there that is more than willing to build its own gaming tables.
They probably would never match this table, feature-for-feature, anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31627278</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269622380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agree. Dr. Lucky - under $5. I have many other games, but that one has seen more play than all the others. It helps to have painted comical miniatures to move around too.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agree .
Dr. Lucky - under $ 5 .
I have many other games , but that one has seen more play than all the others .
It helps to have painted comical miniatures to move around too .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agree.
Dr. Lucky - under $5.
I have many other games, but that one has seen more play than all the others.
It helps to have painted comical miniatures to move around too.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597502</id>
	<title>Do Not Want</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1269445080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can't even sit around that thing.  When we game, we don't even need a table unless we're going crazy with a big fight scene or a war.  Biggest advancement for gaming that I might invest in?  A $400 projector to show maps/media, and maybe I might make it a "surface" table by frosting some plexiglass.  Tada, digital and china-marker with minis.  At least the "cheaper" table looks like you can sit around it (but not with those drawers pulled out).</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't even sit around that thing .
When we game , we do n't even need a table unless we 're going crazy with a big fight scene or a war .
Biggest advancement for gaming that I might invest in ?
A $ 400 projector to show maps/media , and maybe I might make it a " surface " table by frosting some plexiglass .
Tada , digital and china-marker with minis .
At least the " cheaper " table looks like you can sit around it ( but not with those drawers pulled out ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't even sit around that thing.
When we game, we don't even need a table unless we're going crazy with a big fight scene or a war.
Biggest advancement for gaming that I might invest in?
A $400 projector to show maps/media, and maybe I might make it a "surface" table by frosting some plexiglass.
Tada, digital and china-marker with minis.
At least the "cheaper" table looks like you can sit around it (but not with those drawers pulled out).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31606324</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1269441000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>He takes great care to pre-roll the ones out of them.</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>He takes great care to pre-roll the ones out of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He takes great care to pre-roll the ones out of them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31598674</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Thud457</author>
	<datestamp>1269449580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Damn you slashdot! Cut that crap out!<br>
<a href="http://crystalcaste.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&amp;Store\_Code=CC&amp;Category\_Code=XS" title="crystalcaste.com">http://crystalcaste.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&amp;Store\_Code=CC&amp;Category\_Code=XS</a> [crystalcaste.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/04/the\_10\_most\_shameful\_rpg\_dice.php" title="toplessrobot.com">http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/04/the\_10\_most\_shameful\_rpg\_dice.php</a> [toplessrobot.com] <br> <br>
Wouldn't meteorite, steel or iron be affected by magnetic fields? Or is it assumed anyone this obsessive is honest to a fault?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn you slashdot !
Cut that crap out !
http : //crystalcaste.com/mm5/merchant.mvc ? Screen = CTGY&amp;Store \ _Code = CC&amp;Category \ _Code = XS [ crystalcaste.com ] http : //www.toplessrobot.com/2009/04/the \ _10 \ _most \ _shameful \ _rpg \ _dice.php [ toplessrobot.com ] Would n't meteorite , steel or iron be affected by magnetic fields ?
Or is it assumed anyone this obsessive is honest to a fault ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn you slashdot!
Cut that crap out!
http://crystalcaste.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&amp;Store\_Code=CC&amp;Category\_Code=XS [crystalcaste.com] 
http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/04/the\_10\_most\_shameful\_rpg\_dice.php [toplessrobot.com]  
Wouldn't meteorite, steel or iron be affected by magnetic fields?
Or is it assumed anyone this obsessive is honest to a fault?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597942</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1269447000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And make it a LOT better.   Using BOOKS for the DM?   How drol.   give them a laptop station or better yet a 21" monitor location for reading all the PDF files of every book needed.  Plus using decent Virtual tabletop software and camera control for adding in long distance players.  Yes this is getting more and more  common having a player skype in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And make it a LOT better .
Using BOOKS for the DM ?
How drol .
give them a laptop station or better yet a 21 " monitor location for reading all the PDF files of every book needed .
Plus using decent Virtual tabletop software and camera control for adding in long distance players .
Yes this is getting more and more common having a player skype in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And make it a LOT better.
Using BOOKS for the DM?
How drol.
give them a laptop station or better yet a 21" monitor location for reading all the PDF files of every book needed.
Plus using decent Virtual tabletop software and camera control for adding in long distance players.
Yes this is getting more and more  common having a player skype in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31603876</id>
	<title>Depth of perception.</title>
	<author>nuckfuts</author>
	<datestamp>1269426000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My comments were not specific to the $8500 gaming table. They were mainly directed at your shallowness of understanding. I consider it unfortunate when people barely skim the surface of a topic and yet believe they are well informed. Perhaps this is an effect of modern society, where our perception of the world is increasingly influenced by 60 second news clips rather than the in-depth reporting of old-fashioned print media.</p><p>For example, when you hear a headline about the latest Earthquake or some retaliatory strike in the Middle East, do you ever stop and try to imagine the reality behind it? Can you picture what it would be like to have a rocket hit your neighbour's house? Can you picture what happens on the ground when your troops are deployed in a foreign land? It's important to be aware that the world is complex. Don't glance at the surface and mistake that for understanding.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My comments were not specific to the $ 8500 gaming table .
They were mainly directed at your shallowness of understanding .
I consider it unfortunate when people barely skim the surface of a topic and yet believe they are well informed .
Perhaps this is an effect of modern society , where our perception of the world is increasingly influenced by 60 second news clips rather than the in-depth reporting of old-fashioned print media.For example , when you hear a headline about the latest Earthquake or some retaliatory strike in the Middle East , do you ever stop and try to imagine the reality behind it ?
Can you picture what it would be like to have a rocket hit your neighbour 's house ?
Can you picture what happens on the ground when your troops are deployed in a foreign land ?
It 's important to be aware that the world is complex .
Do n't glance at the surface and mistake that for understanding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My comments were not specific to the $8500 gaming table.
They were mainly directed at your shallowness of understanding.
I consider it unfortunate when people barely skim the surface of a topic and yet believe they are well informed.
Perhaps this is an effect of modern society, where our perception of the world is increasingly influenced by 60 second news clips rather than the in-depth reporting of old-fashioned print media.For example, when you hear a headline about the latest Earthquake or some retaliatory strike in the Middle East, do you ever stop and try to imagine the reality behind it?
Can you picture what it would be like to have a rocket hit your neighbour's house?
Can you picture what happens on the ground when your troops are deployed in a foreign land?
It's important to be aware that the world is complex.
Don't glance at the surface and mistake that for understanding.</sentencetext>
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	<title>It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269444060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get some first hand experience with carpentry and build yourself one. It's not difficult. Borrow some tools from friends and family if you need to, or possibly neighbors. Tell your friend you have a sheet of MDF or something and that you need to make some cuts with a table saw, and would he mind if you came over and used it for 15 minutes. Treat it as an excuse to socialize. Borrow your father-in-law's miter saw and pay him back with a case of beer. You'll get a lot more than 8500 dollars worth of enjoyment out of the process, for a very small fraction of the price, and you'll still get your geek table. And you'll get a good story out of it. The thing may not turn out perfect. You might have a drawer that sticks or something, but big fucking deal. What's their target audience? Millionaire gamers? Good luck with that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get some first hand experience with carpentry and build yourself one .
It 's not difficult .
Borrow some tools from friends and family if you need to , or possibly neighbors .
Tell your friend you have a sheet of MDF or something and that you need to make some cuts with a table saw , and would he mind if you came over and used it for 15 minutes .
Treat it as an excuse to socialize .
Borrow your father-in-law 's miter saw and pay him back with a case of beer .
You 'll get a lot more than 8500 dollars worth of enjoyment out of the process , for a very small fraction of the price , and you 'll still get your geek table .
And you 'll get a good story out of it .
The thing may not turn out perfect .
You might have a drawer that sticks or something , but big fucking deal .
What 's their target audience ?
Millionaire gamers ?
Good luck with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get some first hand experience with carpentry and build yourself one.
It's not difficult.
Borrow some tools from friends and family if you need to, or possibly neighbors.
Tell your friend you have a sheet of MDF or something and that you need to make some cuts with a table saw, and would he mind if you came over and used it for 15 minutes.
Treat it as an excuse to socialize.
Borrow your father-in-law's miter saw and pay him back with a case of beer.
You'll get a lot more than 8500 dollars worth of enjoyment out of the process, for a very small fraction of the price, and you'll still get your geek table.
And you'll get a good story out of it.
The thing may not turn out perfect.
You might have a drawer that sticks or something, but big fucking deal.
What's their target audience?
Millionaire gamers?
Good luck with that.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Renderings</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269447060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>"I also wish they had more pictures and fewer renderings on the site."</p><p>Renderings  = No customers yet - no one has stepped up to actually buy one so they could take actual pictures of it.</p><p>Totally agree with everyone else on the site. Wood working is a fantastic hobby, involving precision planning, math, geometry and all sorts of things you won't account for on your first go. So start small, and build on your experience. In time, you will be able to build a fantastic "heirloom quality" piece you will be proud to say you made.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I also wish they had more pictures and fewer renderings on the site .
" Renderings = No customers yet - no one has stepped up to actually buy one so they could take actual pictures of it.Totally agree with everyone else on the site .
Wood working is a fantastic hobby , involving precision planning , math , geometry and all sorts of things you wo n't account for on your first go .
So start small , and build on your experience .
In time , you will be able to build a fantastic " heirloom quality " piece you will be proud to say you made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I also wish they had more pictures and fewer renderings on the site.
"Renderings  = No customers yet - no one has stepped up to actually buy one so they could take actual pictures of it.Totally agree with everyone else on the site.
Wood working is a fantastic hobby, involving precision planning, math, geometry and all sorts of things you won't account for on your first go.
So start small, and build on your experience.
In time, you will be able to build a fantastic "heirloom quality" piece you will be proud to say you made.</sentencetext>
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	<title>But the game never ends</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269445920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>when your whole world depends<br>on the turn of a friendly card.</p><p>In other words you have to be successful on other 'gaming tables' to afford this one</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>when your whole world dependson the turn of a friendly card.In other words you have to be successful on other 'gaming tables ' to afford this one</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when your whole world dependson the turn of a friendly card.In other words you have to be successful on other 'gaming tables' to afford this one</sentencetext>
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	<title>Build You Own - Plans Included</title>
	<author>Plekto</author>
	<datestamp>1269453360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=747" title="rockler.com">http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=747</a> [rockler.com]<br>Here is one I found online for $15.  Follow the plans and a few hundred dollars worth of materials and tools(less of course if you own a router and a table saw)</p><p><a href="http://www.ultimategamingtable.org/instructions.html" title="ultimategamingtable.org">http://www.ultimategamingtable.org/instructions.html</a> [ultimategamingtable.org]<br>This one is $11.  I like the slide out tray concept a bit more than drawers, personally.</p><p>This sort of thing isn't hard to build, really.  I do suggest using real wood, though, as MDF is very heavy and not nearly as easy to screw and bolt together for the first-time project builder.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.rockler.com/product.cfm ? page = 747 [ rockler.com ] Here is one I found online for $ 15 .
Follow the plans and a few hundred dollars worth of materials and tools ( less of course if you own a router and a table saw ) http : //www.ultimategamingtable.org/instructions.html [ ultimategamingtable.org ] This one is $ 11 .
I like the slide out tray concept a bit more than drawers , personally.This sort of thing is n't hard to build , really .
I do suggest using real wood , though , as MDF is very heavy and not nearly as easy to screw and bolt together for the first-time project builder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=747 [rockler.com]Here is one I found online for $15.
Follow the plans and a few hundred dollars worth of materials and tools(less of course if you own a router and a table saw)http://www.ultimategamingtable.org/instructions.html [ultimategamingtable.org]This one is $11.
I like the slide out tray concept a bit more than drawers, personally.This sort of thing isn't hard to build, really.
I do suggest using real wood, though, as MDF is very heavy and not nearly as easy to screw and bolt together for the first-time project builder.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Okay, have had one of these in action.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269454080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've seen people ragging on the price.  Look at the cost of nice hardwood furniture.  And I said NICE.  My mother's a friggin' oak fanatic.  So I know how pricey this stuff gets.  </p><p>Their prices are only outrageous when viewed in a vacuum.  People are talking about being able to buy the materials and tools for less.  Sure.  If your labor is worthless and you have already figured out all the joinery and other neat tricks that they've incorporated into one of these tables.</p><p>Very likely though, you have not.  As such, you're paying a skilled craftsman for labor.</p></div><p>I'm a computer programmer and play a lot of RPGs.  I'm also a woodworking fanatic.  I've spent the last 10 years collecting power tools, and I don't mean hand drills and jigsaws.  I have a complete woodworking shop in my 3-car garage.  I had to put in a separate 100amp subpanel just for the shop.  I have probably $30,000 in tools.  I've made maybe half a dozen pieces of furniture so far.  I would have made more, but my time is limited.</p><p>I could probably make a decent attempt at this table and do fairly well.  I'm sure mine wouldn't be as good.  It takes skill to do this stuff, even with good tools.  And the tools can be expensive.  The dovetails for example take years of practice to be able to make them look perfect when doing them by hand.  I can make perfect dovetails, but I use a $500 jig and two $200 routers.  Even the router bits can be $5 to $40 a piece.  And the hardwoods their using aren't cheap either.  Things like oak, walnut, cherry, and maple can go from $2 to $8 a board-foot (144 cubic inches of wood), more (possibly 10x more) for figured wood.  Then there's the finish.  Getting it right is hard and takes hours of surface preparation.  I still suck at this.</p><p>I'm amused by people's attitudes toward good furniture.  People walk through furniture stores and ooh and ahh over the furniture.  We have antique furniture now because it was made right in the past.  The stuff you see today, most of it will fall apart in a few years.  When I walk through furniture stores now, all I see are the shortcuts, finishing mistakes, and how that piece will fail.</p><p>People think that because you can buy a piece of crap particle board or MDF table at walmart for $50, that this table is outrageously priced.  What's really happened is that your incomes have dropped so low that the real quality that we used to be able to afford is now beyond reach.  I can't afford $8000 for a table.  But I can certainly make nice ones now that my grandchildren will have in their houses.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've seen people ragging on the price .
Look at the cost of nice hardwood furniture .
And I said NICE .
My mother 's a friggin ' oak fanatic .
So I know how pricey this stuff gets .
Their prices are only outrageous when viewed in a vacuum .
People are talking about being able to buy the materials and tools for less .
Sure. If your labor is worthless and you have already figured out all the joinery and other neat tricks that they 've incorporated into one of these tables.Very likely though , you have not .
As such , you 're paying a skilled craftsman for labor.I 'm a computer programmer and play a lot of RPGs .
I 'm also a woodworking fanatic .
I 've spent the last 10 years collecting power tools , and I do n't mean hand drills and jigsaws .
I have a complete woodworking shop in my 3-car garage .
I had to put in a separate 100amp subpanel just for the shop .
I have probably $ 30,000 in tools .
I 've made maybe half a dozen pieces of furniture so far .
I would have made more , but my time is limited.I could probably make a decent attempt at this table and do fairly well .
I 'm sure mine would n't be as good .
It takes skill to do this stuff , even with good tools .
And the tools can be expensive .
The dovetails for example take years of practice to be able to make them look perfect when doing them by hand .
I can make perfect dovetails , but I use a $ 500 jig and two $ 200 routers .
Even the router bits can be $ 5 to $ 40 a piece .
And the hardwoods their using are n't cheap either .
Things like oak , walnut , cherry , and maple can go from $ 2 to $ 8 a board-foot ( 144 cubic inches of wood ) , more ( possibly 10x more ) for figured wood .
Then there 's the finish .
Getting it right is hard and takes hours of surface preparation .
I still suck at this.I 'm amused by people 's attitudes toward good furniture .
People walk through furniture stores and ooh and ahh over the furniture .
We have antique furniture now because it was made right in the past .
The stuff you see today , most of it will fall apart in a few years .
When I walk through furniture stores now , all I see are the shortcuts , finishing mistakes , and how that piece will fail.People think that because you can buy a piece of crap particle board or MDF table at walmart for $ 50 , that this table is outrageously priced .
What 's really happened is that your incomes have dropped so low that the real quality that we used to be able to afford is now beyond reach .
I ca n't afford $ 8000 for a table .
But I can certainly make nice ones now that my grandchildren will have in their houses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen people ragging on the price.
Look at the cost of nice hardwood furniture.
And I said NICE.
My mother's a friggin' oak fanatic.
So I know how pricey this stuff gets.
Their prices are only outrageous when viewed in a vacuum.
People are talking about being able to buy the materials and tools for less.
Sure.  If your labor is worthless and you have already figured out all the joinery and other neat tricks that they've incorporated into one of these tables.Very likely though, you have not.
As such, you're paying a skilled craftsman for labor.I'm a computer programmer and play a lot of RPGs.
I'm also a woodworking fanatic.
I've spent the last 10 years collecting power tools, and I don't mean hand drills and jigsaws.
I have a complete woodworking shop in my 3-car garage.
I had to put in a separate 100amp subpanel just for the shop.
I have probably $30,000 in tools.
I've made maybe half a dozen pieces of furniture so far.
I would have made more, but my time is limited.I could probably make a decent attempt at this table and do fairly well.
I'm sure mine wouldn't be as good.
It takes skill to do this stuff, even with good tools.
And the tools can be expensive.
The dovetails for example take years of practice to be able to make them look perfect when doing them by hand.
I can make perfect dovetails, but I use a $500 jig and two $200 routers.
Even the router bits can be $5 to $40 a piece.
And the hardwoods their using aren't cheap either.
Things like oak, walnut, cherry, and maple can go from $2 to $8 a board-foot (144 cubic inches of wood), more (possibly 10x more) for figured wood.
Then there's the finish.
Getting it right is hard and takes hours of surface preparation.
I still suck at this.I'm amused by people's attitudes toward good furniture.
People walk through furniture stores and ooh and ahh over the furniture.
We have antique furniture now because it was made right in the past.
The stuff you see today, most of it will fall apart in a few years.
When I walk through furniture stores now, all I see are the shortcuts, finishing mistakes, and how that piece will fail.People think that because you can buy a piece of crap particle board or MDF table at walmart for $50, that this table is outrageously priced.
What's really happened is that your incomes have dropped so low that the real quality that we used to be able to afford is now beyond reach.
I can't afford $8000 for a table.
But I can certainly make nice ones now that my grandchildren will have in their houses.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597554</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269445260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>America has lost it's craftsmanship.

If it's not pre-ordered ready to build, it's not going to happen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>America has lost it 's craftsmanship .
If it 's not pre-ordered ready to build , it 's not going to happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America has lost it's craftsmanship.
If it's not pre-ordered ready to build, it's not going to happen.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Chelloveck</author>
	<datestamp>1269444720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Get some first hand experience with carpentry and build yourself one.</p></div></blockquote><p>But.. But... That won't be <b>Heirloom Quality</b>!</p><blockquote><div><p>What's their target audience? Millionaire gamers? Good luck with that.</p></div></blockquote><p>Have you checked the prices of games lately? Won't be long until millionaires are the only people who can afford to game...</p><p>"I say, Chauncy, don't roll your solid gold d12 there! You'll scratch my Sultan Table and Wooster will be hours buffing it out."</p></div>
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<tokenext>Get some first hand experience with carpentry and build yourself one.But.. But... That wo n't be Heirloom Quality ! What 's their target audience ?
Millionaire gamers ?
Good luck with that.Have you checked the prices of games lately ?
Wo n't be long until millionaires are the only people who can afford to game... " I say , Chauncy , do n't roll your solid gold d12 there !
You 'll scratch my Sultan Table and Wooster will be hours buffing it out .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get some first hand experience with carpentry and build yourself one.But.. But... That won't be Heirloom Quality!What's their target audience?
Millionaire gamers?
Good luck with that.Have you checked the prices of games lately?
Won't be long until millionaires are the only people who can afford to game..."I say, Chauncy, don't roll your solid gold d12 there!
You'll scratch my Sultan Table and Wooster will be hours buffing it out.
"
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	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>ShadowRangerRIT</author>
	<datestamp>1269451320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I appreciate that they actually <a href="http://www.geekchichq.com/Theory\_Conjecture/Heirloom\_Quality/Heirloom\_Quality.html" title="geekchichq.com">define what they mean by "Heirloom Quality".</a> [geekchichq.com] It's not a throwaway bit of marketing trash; solid hardwood instead of the usual veneer over plywood, plus construction that can hold together dry fitted isn't cheap. My father bought a table meeting the same specs (though not a gaming table, just a nice dining table) and it ran a few thousand dollars (not sure on exact price). The construction tolerances for dry fitted integrity would be even tighter for a table with this many connected and mobile parts. The cost of the "desirable" hardwoods that they use in the Sultan is *way* higher than you'd expect. They're probably overcharging a bit, but even mass produced I doubt you'd see something like the Sultan for less than $5K.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I appreciate that they actually define what they mean by " Heirloom Quality " .
[ geekchichq.com ] It 's not a throwaway bit of marketing trash ; solid hardwood instead of the usual veneer over plywood , plus construction that can hold together dry fitted is n't cheap .
My father bought a table meeting the same specs ( though not a gaming table , just a nice dining table ) and it ran a few thousand dollars ( not sure on exact price ) .
The construction tolerances for dry fitted integrity would be even tighter for a table with this many connected and mobile parts .
The cost of the " desirable " hardwoods that they use in the Sultan is * way * higher than you 'd expect .
They 're probably overcharging a bit , but even mass produced I doubt you 'd see something like the Sultan for less than $ 5K .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I appreciate that they actually define what they mean by "Heirloom Quality".
[geekchichq.com] It's not a throwaway bit of marketing trash; solid hardwood instead of the usual veneer over plywood, plus construction that can hold together dry fitted isn't cheap.
My father bought a table meeting the same specs (though not a gaming table, just a nice dining table) and it ran a few thousand dollars (not sure on exact price).
The construction tolerances for dry fitted integrity would be even tighter for a table with this many connected and mobile parts.
The cost of the "desirable" hardwoods that they use in the Sultan is *way* higher than you'd expect.
They're probably overcharging a bit, but even mass produced I doubt you'd see something like the Sultan for less than $5K.</sentencetext>
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	<title>That is a horrible gaming table</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1269445020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Look at it again, and this time imagine trying to sit up to it in a chair. You Chair can't go unmder the table, and you body would end up beng 2 feet from th table.</p><p>Uncomfortable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at it again , and this time imagine trying to sit up to it in a chair .
You Chair ca n't go unmder the table , and you body would end up beng 2 feet from th table.Uncomfortable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at it again, and this time imagine trying to sit up to it in a chair.
You Chair can't go unmder the table, and you body would end up beng 2 feet from th table.Uncomfortable.</sentencetext>
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	<title>. . . it would have to be Awesome. . .</title>
	<author>JSBiff</author>
	<datestamp>1269447060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have in my hands, right now, a blank piece of printer paper. Now, this is no *ordinary* printer paper. It's *Awesome* printer paper. How awesome is it? Well, for only $8500, *it could be yours*! With a price tag of over $8k, it would have to be awesome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have in my hands , right now , a blank piece of printer paper .
Now , this is no * ordinary * printer paper .
It 's * Awesome * printer paper .
How awesome is it ?
Well , for only $ 8500 , * it could be yours * !
With a price tag of over $ 8k , it would have to be awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have in my hands, right now, a blank piece of printer paper.
Now, this is no *ordinary* printer paper.
It's *Awesome* printer paper.
How awesome is it?
Well, for only $8500, *it could be yours*!
With a price tag of over $8k, it would have to be awesome.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1269446160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In furniture, Heirloom Quality has a pretty specific meaning. It would take years of carpentry expreience to make a tqable like that at that quality level.</p><p>They define what they mean:<br><a href="http://www.geekchichq.com/Theory\_Conjecture/Heirloom\_Quality/Heirloom\_Quality.html" title="geekchichq.com">http://www.geekchichq.com/Theory\_Conjecture/Heirloom\_Quality/Heirloom\_Quality.html</a> [geekchichq.com]</p><p>Seriously, you sound like a non geek making fun of USB 3.</p><p>Games are not that expensive.</p><p>Savage Worlds: 10 bucks for the main book.<br>DnD 4e retail 34.00 The first Players Handbook in 1978 was 20 bucks. Calculate inflation into that<br>In 1995, Computer games where 30/40 bucks.<br>Ticket to ride, 40 bucks: The is the price of equivalent quality board games in the 1980s.</p><p>Gaming is not becoming more expensive If anything, it's cheaper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In furniture , Heirloom Quality has a pretty specific meaning .
It would take years of carpentry expreience to make a tqable like that at that quality level.They define what they mean : http : //www.geekchichq.com/Theory \ _Conjecture/Heirloom \ _Quality/Heirloom \ _Quality.html [ geekchichq.com ] Seriously , you sound like a non geek making fun of USB 3.Games are not that expensive.Savage Worlds : 10 bucks for the main book.DnD 4e retail 34.00 The first Players Handbook in 1978 was 20 bucks .
Calculate inflation into thatIn 1995 , Computer games where 30/40 bucks.Ticket to ride , 40 bucks : The is the price of equivalent quality board games in the 1980s.Gaming is not becoming more expensive If anything , it 's cheaper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In furniture, Heirloom Quality has a pretty specific meaning.
It would take years of carpentry expreience to make a tqable like that at that quality level.They define what they mean:http://www.geekchichq.com/Theory\_Conjecture/Heirloom\_Quality/Heirloom\_Quality.html [geekchichq.com]Seriously, you sound like a non geek making fun of USB 3.Games are not that expensive.Savage Worlds: 10 bucks for the main book.DnD 4e retail 34.00 The first Players Handbook in 1978 was 20 bucks.
Calculate inflation into thatIn 1995, Computer games where 30/40 bucks.Ticket to ride, 40 bucks: The is the price of equivalent quality board games in the 1980s.Gaming is not becoming more expensive If anything, it's cheaper.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Seen these at past two GenCons...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269450780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and they are really, really nice looking.  My buddy who is a gamer and carpenter by trade was very impressed with craftsmanship.</p><p>With that being said...price points are pretty high...but...if you were building a new home and had a room that this could double as the normal piece of furniture for the room, I could see it.</p><p>I could also see these in maybe a nice gaming store.  Buy it, put in in your store, then raffle it off at a later date...wash rinse repeat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and they are really , really nice looking .
My buddy who is a gamer and carpenter by trade was very impressed with craftsmanship.With that being said...price points are pretty high...but...if you were building a new home and had a room that this could double as the normal piece of furniture for the room , I could see it.I could also see these in maybe a nice gaming store .
Buy it , put in in your store , then raffle it off at a later date...wash rinse repeat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and they are really, really nice looking.
My buddy who is a gamer and carpenter by trade was very impressed with craftsmanship.With that being said...price points are pretty high...but...if you were building a new home and had a room that this could double as the normal piece of furniture for the room, I could see it.I could also see these in maybe a nice gaming store.
Buy it, put in in your store, then raffle it off at a later date...wash rinse repeat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31599706</id>
	<title>It's not a gaming table "I want"</title>
	<author>flibuste</author>
	<datestamp>1269453300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The gaming table I want has a touch surface on it so my stacks of 15 infantry, 2 squad leaders and 5 armor don't fall off when I try to move them while playing Squad Leader since everything will be drawn on the surface. Plus my opponent won't wipe the whole board trying to show me there is no LOS between my stack and his punny 3-stories building where his units cowardly hide waiting to shoot at me during "defensive fire phase".

Yet, the table frame in the FA is great<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</htmltext>
<tokenext>The gaming table I want has a touch surface on it so my stacks of 15 infantry , 2 squad leaders and 5 armor do n't fall off when I try to move them while playing Squad Leader since everything will be drawn on the surface .
Plus my opponent wo n't wipe the whole board trying to show me there is no LOS between my stack and his punny 3-stories building where his units cowardly hide waiting to shoot at me during " defensive fire phase " .
Yet , the table frame in the FA is great : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The gaming table I want has a touch surface on it so my stacks of 15 infantry, 2 squad leaders and 5 armor don't fall off when I try to move them while playing Squad Leader since everything will be drawn on the surface.
Plus my opponent won't wipe the whole board trying to show me there is no LOS between my stack and his punny 3-stories building where his units cowardly hide waiting to shoot at me during "defensive fire phase".
Yet, the table frame in the FA is great :D</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31633474</id>
	<title>Bad Design?</title>
	<author>MBraynard</author>
	<datestamp>1269602640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It has a runner going along the perimter of the legs. This means you can't slide a chair partially under the table as you can at most tables and you will end up hunched over the table.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It has a runner going along the perimter of the legs .
This means you ca n't slide a chair partially under the table as you can at most tables and you will end up hunched over the table .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has a runner going along the perimter of the legs.
This means you can't slide a chair partially under the table as you can at most tables and you will end up hunched over the table.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31600828</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Obyron</author>
	<datestamp>1269457500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not sure I buy that. You can buy a jig at a reasonable price (50 bucks on sale) to cut dovetail joints. You can get hardwood boards if you want, and they cut the same (usually better, in my experience) than the cheap stuff. It's not like using dovetail joints and higher quality lumber is something no amateur would ever think of. Heirloom quality is still just marketing speak.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure I buy that .
You can buy a jig at a reasonable price ( 50 bucks on sale ) to cut dovetail joints .
You can get hardwood boards if you want , and they cut the same ( usually better , in my experience ) than the cheap stuff .
It 's not like using dovetail joints and higher quality lumber is something no amateur would ever think of .
Heirloom quality is still just marketing speak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure I buy that.
You can buy a jig at a reasonable price (50 bucks on sale) to cut dovetail joints.
You can get hardwood boards if you want, and they cut the same (usually better, in my experience) than the cheap stuff.
It's not like using dovetail joints and higher quality lumber is something no amateur would ever think of.
Heirloom quality is still just marketing speak.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597688</id>
	<title>There will be NO SEX on the Emissary!</title>
	<author>Keyslapper</author>
	<datestamp>1269445860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For those of you not following the PvP webcomic, the Emissary was featured in the last week or so, <a href="http://www.pvponline.com/2010/03/17/4eplay/" title="pvponline.com">starting here</a> [pvponline.com].  This was my favorite story line yet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For those of you not following the PvP webcomic , the Emissary was featured in the last week or so , starting here [ pvponline.com ] .
This was my favorite story line yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those of you not following the PvP webcomic, the Emissary was featured in the last week or so, starting here [pvponline.com].
This was my favorite story line yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31598326</id>
	<title>Something better you can DIY and have tech.</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1269448380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://tyrendes.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!3B5F578C5068731F!266.entry?ppud=4&amp;wa=wsignin1.0&amp;sa=573220466" title="live.com">http://tyrendes.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!3B5F578C5068731F!266.entry?ppud=4&amp;wa=wsignin1.0&amp;sa=573220466</a> [live.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //tyrendes.spaces.live.com/blog/cns ! 3B5F578C5068731F ! 266.entry ? ppud = 4&amp;wa = wsignin1.0&amp;sa = 573220466 [ live.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://tyrendes.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!3B5F578C5068731F!266.entry?ppud=4&amp;wa=wsignin1.0&amp;sa=573220466 [live.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31604536</id>
	<title>Re:Okay, have had one of these in action.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269428940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The hilarious part is that you can buy incredibly awesome stuff at auctions and junk shops for a fraction of what you pay for newly made lead-encrusted melamine and chipboard assembled by slaves.</p><p>Seriously, I paid $300 for my tiger oak dining room table with six book-matched leaves that store under the top.  It was worth more than that 78 years ago when it was made, and it's only gotten prettier with time.  All five legs were turned from single pieces of highly figured oak that were probably 6" squares to start with - just the wood would run you at least $300 today (and you can't even get an all-wooden sliding and storage mechanism like that today).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The hilarious part is that you can buy incredibly awesome stuff at auctions and junk shops for a fraction of what you pay for newly made lead-encrusted melamine and chipboard assembled by slaves.Seriously , I paid $ 300 for my tiger oak dining room table with six book-matched leaves that store under the top .
It was worth more than that 78 years ago when it was made , and it 's only gotten prettier with time .
All five legs were turned from single pieces of highly figured oak that were probably 6 " squares to start with - just the wood would run you at least $ 300 today ( and you ca n't even get an all-wooden sliding and storage mechanism like that today ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hilarious part is that you can buy incredibly awesome stuff at auctions and junk shops for a fraction of what you pay for newly made lead-encrusted melamine and chipboard assembled by slaves.Seriously, I paid $300 for my tiger oak dining room table with six book-matched leaves that store under the top.
It was worth more than that 78 years ago when it was made, and it's only gotten prettier with time.
All five legs were turned from single pieces of highly figured oak that were probably 6" squares to start with - just the wood would run you at least $300 today (and you can't even get an all-wooden sliding and storage mechanism like that today).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597468</id>
	<title>Pool Table</title>
	<author>ironicsky</author>
	<datestamp>1269444960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like a pool table, without the pockets... Something makes me think that this is a pool table, without the pockets.</p><p>For $8000 I'll buy a pool table, with pockets and get a lot more functionality out of it</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like a pool table , without the pockets... Something makes me think that this is a pool table , without the pockets.For $ 8000 I 'll buy a pool table , with pockets and get a lot more functionality out of it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like a pool table, without the pockets... Something makes me think that this is a pool table, without the pockets.For $8000 I'll buy a pool table, with pockets and get a lot more functionality out of it</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597760</id>
	<title>No Picture?</title>
	<author>harl</author>
	<datestamp>1269446220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where's the picture?  They expect people to spend $8500 on spec?</p><p>For all we know this is conceptual only.  Have they ever made a table?</p><p>Give us something other than renders please!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where 's the picture ?
They expect people to spend $ 8500 on spec ? For all we know this is conceptual only .
Have they ever made a table ? Give us something other than renders please !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where's the picture?
They expect people to spend $8500 on spec?For all we know this is conceptual only.
Have they ever made a table?Give us something other than renders please!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31598264</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1269448140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Tell your friend you have a sheet of MDF or something and that you need to make some cuts with a table saw</p></div><p>The "real thing" is made out of hardwoods instead of particle board.  Next time you visit Home Depot or whatever, check the price of some nice chunks of oak.  Also realize hardwoods are more expensive/difficult to work with... Given a hammer to start it, large pieces of cheapass pine darn near allow self tapping screws, whereas oak is so tough you'll practically need a metalworking tap set to screw it together.</p><p>Leading to my anecdote of the day, last week I was trying to build some model-RR stuff using some Oak (long story why I selected oak).  So, a dull made in China home depot drill bit gets hot, seizes in the hole, and twists clean off.  It was a shear fracture in a drill press not a "I bent it using my handheld drill".  Well OK use the next smallest drill, a 1/32 smaller for pilot holes.  Install a cheap made in China home depot screw, its getting a bit tight in there, twist IT off in the hole.  Not sure if I should be swearing at China, home depot, or myself, or all three!  Thats what you have to look forward to, when working with hardwoods.  Now, working in cheapass pine or particle board, you can practically install screws with a hammer, I've seen illegals do that with deck screws, as long as you're careful not to split the wood.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And you'll get a good story out of it.</p></div><p>"So, I rolled a 2d10 to see how many appendages I chopped off, with no saving throw"</p><p>A table saw is probably the most dangerous large wood power tool the average person can buy, with the exception of a radial arm saw (are those even sold anymore?).  Although it depends how you want to look at it.  A jointer table probably won't remove your entire arm and its probably impossible to hurt your leg unless you're really doin it wrong, but it'll take off fingers.  On the other hand a table saw is extraordinarily effective at hand and finger amputation.  Then theres stuff thats only dangerous when you do something blatantly stupid rather than just bad luck, like stand in the line of fire when running wood thru a planer that occasionally catches and throws the board, although supposedly "that never happens anymore" due to safety stuff.  Yeah whatever.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell your friend you have a sheet of MDF or something and that you need to make some cuts with a table sawThe " real thing " is made out of hardwoods instead of particle board .
Next time you visit Home Depot or whatever , check the price of some nice chunks of oak .
Also realize hardwoods are more expensive/difficult to work with... Given a hammer to start it , large pieces of cheapass pine darn near allow self tapping screws , whereas oak is so tough you 'll practically need a metalworking tap set to screw it together.Leading to my anecdote of the day , last week I was trying to build some model-RR stuff using some Oak ( long story why I selected oak ) .
So , a dull made in China home depot drill bit gets hot , seizes in the hole , and twists clean off .
It was a shear fracture in a drill press not a " I bent it using my handheld drill " .
Well OK use the next smallest drill , a 1/32 smaller for pilot holes .
Install a cheap made in China home depot screw , its getting a bit tight in there , twist IT off in the hole .
Not sure if I should be swearing at China , home depot , or myself , or all three !
Thats what you have to look forward to , when working with hardwoods .
Now , working in cheapass pine or particle board , you can practically install screws with a hammer , I 've seen illegals do that with deck screws , as long as you 're careful not to split the wood.And you 'll get a good story out of it .
" So , I rolled a 2d10 to see how many appendages I chopped off , with no saving throw " A table saw is probably the most dangerous large wood power tool the average person can buy , with the exception of a radial arm saw ( are those even sold anymore ? ) .
Although it depends how you want to look at it .
A jointer table probably wo n't remove your entire arm and its probably impossible to hurt your leg unless you 're really doin it wrong , but it 'll take off fingers .
On the other hand a table saw is extraordinarily effective at hand and finger amputation .
Then theres stuff thats only dangerous when you do something blatantly stupid rather than just bad luck , like stand in the line of fire when running wood thru a planer that occasionally catches and throws the board , although supposedly " that never happens anymore " due to safety stuff .
Yeah whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell your friend you have a sheet of MDF or something and that you need to make some cuts with a table sawThe "real thing" is made out of hardwoods instead of particle board.
Next time you visit Home Depot or whatever, check the price of some nice chunks of oak.
Also realize hardwoods are more expensive/difficult to work with... Given a hammer to start it, large pieces of cheapass pine darn near allow self tapping screws, whereas oak is so tough you'll practically need a metalworking tap set to screw it together.Leading to my anecdote of the day, last week I was trying to build some model-RR stuff using some Oak (long story why I selected oak).
So, a dull made in China home depot drill bit gets hot, seizes in the hole, and twists clean off.
It was a shear fracture in a drill press not a "I bent it using my handheld drill".
Well OK use the next smallest drill, a 1/32 smaller for pilot holes.
Install a cheap made in China home depot screw, its getting a bit tight in there, twist IT off in the hole.
Not sure if I should be swearing at China, home depot, or myself, or all three!
Thats what you have to look forward to, when working with hardwoods.
Now, working in cheapass pine or particle board, you can practically install screws with a hammer, I've seen illegals do that with deck screws, as long as you're careful not to split the wood.And you'll get a good story out of it.
"So, I rolled a 2d10 to see how many appendages I chopped off, with no saving throw"A table saw is probably the most dangerous large wood power tool the average person can buy, with the exception of a radial arm saw (are those even sold anymore?).
Although it depends how you want to look at it.
A jointer table probably won't remove your entire arm and its probably impossible to hurt your leg unless you're really doin it wrong, but it'll take off fingers.
On the other hand a table saw is extraordinarily effective at hand and finger amputation.
Then theres stuff thats only dangerous when you do something blatantly stupid rather than just bad luck, like stand in the line of fire when running wood thru a planer that occasionally catches and throws the board, although supposedly "that never happens anymore" due to safety stuff.
Yeah whatever.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597448</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269444900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, building a table like that IS difficult, even for experienced carpenters. Did you even look at this thing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , building a table like that IS difficult , even for experienced carpenters .
Did you even look at this thing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, building a table like that IS difficult, even for experienced carpenters.
Did you even look at this thing?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31606000</id>
	<title>oh my god, what losers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269438420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>anyone still playing D&amp;D or any other game that actually has as an optional piece of furniture a purpose built table in this day and age should really be neutered</p><p>death to all 30+ year olds living at home in mums basement playing D&amp;D with other ridiculous atari shirt wearing beardies</p><p>the CIA/FBI shouldnt be hunting Osama, they should be ridding the world of basement trolls</p><p>now grow up you losers</p><p>im off to design a special my little pony ranch table</p><p>fuck me...retards</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>anyone still playing D&amp;D or any other game that actually has as an optional piece of furniture a purpose built table in this day and age should really be neutereddeath to all 30 + year olds living at home in mums basement playing D&amp;D with other ridiculous atari shirt wearing beardiesthe CIA/FBI shouldnt be hunting Osama , they should be ridding the world of basement trollsnow grow up you losersim off to design a special my little pony ranch tablefuck me...retards</tokentext>
<sentencetext>anyone still playing D&amp;D or any other game that actually has as an optional piece of furniture a purpose built table in this day and age should really be neutereddeath to all 30+ year olds living at home in mums basement playing D&amp;D with other ridiculous atari shirt wearing beardiesthe CIA/FBI shouldnt be hunting Osama, they should be ridding the world of basement trollsnow grow up you losersim off to design a special my little pony ranch tablefuck me...retards</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31598150</id>
	<title>Okay, have had one of these in action.</title>
	<author>Chas</author>
	<datestamp>1269447720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Had one of these on loan from the GeekChic guys in our booth at GenCon last year.

</p><p> <b> <i>VERY</i> </b>
<br>NICE
<br>GAME
<br>TABLE

</p><p>If I had space and the spare cash to front for one, I'd buy one.
</p><p>I've seen people ragging about not being able to sit around one.  This is what the fold-down desks are for.
</p><p>I've seen people complaining that the drawers would get in the way.  They don't.  PERIOD.  You don't leave them open during play.  The drawers are for storage.
</p><p>I've seen people ragging on the price.  Look at the cost of nice hardwood furniture.  And I said NICE.  My mother's a friggin' oak fanatic.  So I know how pricey this stuff gets.  </p><p>Their prices are only outrageous when viewed in a vacuum.  People are talking about being able to buy the materials and tools for less.  Sure.  If your labor is worthless and you have already figured out all the joinery and other neat tricks that they've incorporated into one of these tables.
</p><p>Very likely though, you have not.  As such, you're paying a skilled craftsman for labor.
</p><p>Sure, you can buy a pool table or a folding table for a lot less.  But the utility for gaming is also a lot less.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Had one of these on loan from the GeekChic guys in our booth at GenCon last year .
VERY NICE GAME TABLE If I had space and the spare cash to front for one , I 'd buy one .
I 've seen people ragging about not being able to sit around one .
This is what the fold-down desks are for .
I 've seen people complaining that the drawers would get in the way .
They do n't .
PERIOD. You do n't leave them open during play .
The drawers are for storage .
I 've seen people ragging on the price .
Look at the cost of nice hardwood furniture .
And I said NICE .
My mother 's a friggin ' oak fanatic .
So I know how pricey this stuff gets .
Their prices are only outrageous when viewed in a vacuum .
People are talking about being able to buy the materials and tools for less .
Sure. If your labor is worthless and you have already figured out all the joinery and other neat tricks that they 've incorporated into one of these tables .
Very likely though , you have not .
As such , you 're paying a skilled craftsman for labor .
Sure , you can buy a pool table or a folding table for a lot less .
But the utility for gaming is also a lot less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Had one of these on loan from the GeekChic guys in our booth at GenCon last year.
VERY 
NICE
GAME
TABLE

If I had space and the spare cash to front for one, I'd buy one.
I've seen people ragging about not being able to sit around one.
This is what the fold-down desks are for.
I've seen people complaining that the drawers would get in the way.
They don't.
PERIOD.  You don't leave them open during play.
The drawers are for storage.
I've seen people ragging on the price.
Look at the cost of nice hardwood furniture.
And I said NICE.
My mother's a friggin' oak fanatic.
So I know how pricey this stuff gets.
Their prices are only outrageous when viewed in a vacuum.
People are talking about being able to buy the materials and tools for less.
Sure.  If your labor is worthless and you have already figured out all the joinery and other neat tricks that they've incorporated into one of these tables.
Very likely though, you have not.
As such, you're paying a skilled craftsman for labor.
Sure, you can buy a pool table or a folding table for a lot less.
But the utility for gaming is also a lot less.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31600774</id>
	<title>Seriously Obsolete...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269457260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>at least, once Wizards and other companies drop their ridiculous policy of not selling E-books.  I haven't need a gaming table for years - you can roll dice, build characters / encounters, and run combat / noncombat sessions all using a pretty basic laptop.</p><p>Sure, you could spend $8500 on a nice gaming table.. or just spend less than an 8th of that on a decent laptop that you can use for things non-nerd related.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>at least , once Wizards and other companies drop their ridiculous policy of not selling E-books .
I have n't need a gaming table for years - you can roll dice , build characters / encounters , and run combat / noncombat sessions all using a pretty basic laptop.Sure , you could spend $ 8500 on a nice gaming table.. or just spend less than an 8th of that on a decent laptop that you can use for things non-nerd related .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at least, once Wizards and other companies drop their ridiculous policy of not selling E-books.
I haven't need a gaming table for years - you can roll dice, build characters / encounters, and run combat / noncombat sessions all using a pretty basic laptop.Sure, you could spend $8500 on a nice gaming table.. or just spend less than an 8th of that on a decent laptop that you can use for things non-nerd related.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597626</id>
	<title>Re:That is a horrible gaming table</title>
	<author>SilverJets</author>
	<datestamp>1269445620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you are supposed to stand around it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you are supposed to stand around it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you are supposed to stand around it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31601202</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269458880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually the first AD&amp;D Player's Handbook was $12.00, as was the Monster Manual. The Dungeon Master's Guide was $15.00.</p><p><i>Gaming is not becoming more expensive If anything, it's cheaper.</i></p><p>True, it's just that our purchasing power hasn't really increased much since the 80's, once you factor out easily available credit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually the first AD&amp;D Player 's Handbook was $ 12.00 , as was the Monster Manual .
The Dungeon Master 's Guide was $ 15.00.Gaming is not becoming more expensive If anything , it 's cheaper.True , it 's just that our purchasing power has n't really increased much since the 80 's , once you factor out easily available credit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually the first AD&amp;D Player's Handbook was $12.00, as was the Monster Manual.
The Dungeon Master's Guide was $15.00.Gaming is not becoming more expensive If anything, it's cheaper.True, it's just that our purchasing power hasn't really increased much since the 80's, once you factor out easily available credit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597836</id>
	<title>heirloom quality?</title>
	<author>SamuraiHoedown</author>
	<datestamp>1269446520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>More like epic</htmltext>
<tokenext>More like epic</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like epic</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31601338</id>
	<title>Re:The paradox of RPG's</title>
	<author>An ominous Cow art</author>
	<datestamp>1269459300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> In terms of Role Playing Games, I have two choices:</p><p>1) Move on, remembering them fondly<br>2) Become "that old guy"</p></div><p>I play in 2 gaming groups.  In one group, the ages are: 60ish, 60ish, 48, 43 (me), 43, early-30s, late-20s.  The other group is 5 people all in the 40-44 range.  I've been playing with these groups since 1984 and 1982 respectively.</p><p>I never had to choose either of your choices, but maybe I'm just lucky...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In terms of Role Playing Games , I have two choices : 1 ) Move on , remembering them fondly2 ) Become " that old guy " I play in 2 gaming groups .
In one group , the ages are : 60ish , 60ish , 48 , 43 ( me ) , 43 , early-30s , late-20s .
The other group is 5 people all in the 40-44 range .
I 've been playing with these groups since 1984 and 1982 respectively.I never had to choose either of your choices , but maybe I 'm just lucky.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> In terms of Role Playing Games, I have two choices:1) Move on, remembering them fondly2) Become "that old guy"I play in 2 gaming groups.
In one group, the ages are: 60ish, 60ish, 48, 43 (me), 43, early-30s, late-20s.
The other group is 5 people all in the 40-44 range.
I've been playing with these groups since 1984 and 1982 respectively.I never had to choose either of your choices, but maybe I'm just lucky...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597860</id>
	<title>Nice craftmanship... but</title>
	<author>thijsh</author>
	<datestamp>1269446700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry, no dice!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , no dice !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, no dice!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597714</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>pnewhook</author>
	<datestamp>1269446040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not just buy a pool table?  It certainly looks like one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not just buy a pool table ?
It certainly looks like one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not just buy a pool table?
It certainly looks like one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31599354</id>
	<title>Show-room on the road...</title>
	<author>\_Hiro\_</author>
	<datestamp>1269451980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The company regularly shows in the vendor's room at Origins in June.  The tables seem to be of a quality worthy of the price tag, but I agree that it's too steep for most.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The company regularly shows in the vendor 's room at Origins in June .
The tables seem to be of a quality worthy of the price tag , but I agree that it 's too steep for most .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The company regularly shows in the vendor's room at Origins in June.
The tables seem to be of a quality worthy of the price tag, but I agree that it's too steep for most.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31599368</id>
	<title>The Gaming Table You *REALLY* Want</title>
	<author>Zerak-Tul</author>
	<datestamp>1269451980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>SurfaceScapes
<a href="http://www.etc.cmu.edu/projects/surfacescapes/index.html" title="cmu.edu" rel="nofollow">http://www.etc.cmu.edu/projects/surfacescapes/index.html</a> [cmu.edu]

<a href="http://vimeo.com/8211657" title="vimeo.com" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/8211657</a> [vimeo.com]

Then again, it uses Microsoft Surface, and considering the crowd...</htmltext>
<tokenext>SurfaceScapes http : //www.etc.cmu.edu/projects/surfacescapes/index.html [ cmu.edu ] http : //vimeo.com/8211657 [ vimeo.com ] Then again , it uses Microsoft Surface , and considering the crowd.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SurfaceScapes
http://www.etc.cmu.edu/projects/surfacescapes/index.html [cmu.edu]

http://vimeo.com/8211657 [vimeo.com]

Then again, it uses Microsoft Surface, and considering the crowd...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31606140</id>
	<title>I am by no means a carpenter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269439380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But I've thought many times about turning my 32" Samsung LCD into a gaming table by building a table with an inset where the LCD can lay down on its back. This frame will have a hole in the bottom of it so I can run the video feed from a computer into the LCD from a laptop. The top of the table will have a pane of reinforced glass, or plexiglas to put your miniatures on top of it.</p><p>Bam, instant DnD map, or scenario scenery during an intermission, or a slide show to show the grandparents the pictures from the latest vacation while we have dinner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But I 've thought many times about turning my 32 " Samsung LCD into a gaming table by building a table with an inset where the LCD can lay down on its back .
This frame will have a hole in the bottom of it so I can run the video feed from a computer into the LCD from a laptop .
The top of the table will have a pane of reinforced glass , or plexiglas to put your miniatures on top of it.Bam , instant DnD map , or scenario scenery during an intermission , or a slide show to show the grandparents the pictures from the latest vacation while we have dinner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I've thought many times about turning my 32" Samsung LCD into a gaming table by building a table with an inset where the LCD can lay down on its back.
This frame will have a hole in the bottom of it so I can run the video feed from a computer into the LCD from a laptop.
The top of the table will have a pane of reinforced glass, or plexiglas to put your miniatures on top of it.Bam, instant DnD map, or scenario scenery during an intermission, or a slide show to show the grandparents the pictures from the latest vacation while we have dinner.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597436</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>oldspewey</author>
	<datestamp>1269444900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This may be true to some extent, but I can also report from my own direct first-hand experience that there have been times I've seen an item in the store for what I thought was an exorbitant price, and I decided to build it myself instead. And while I did get the "enjoyment" payoff you mention, after buying all the wood, fasteners, hinges, paint, etc. (not to mention a specialized tool if the project requires one) I sometimes found that I spent as much or more than the "exorbitant" item would have cost in the first place. There are certain economies of scale offered by bulk container ships and million-square-foot factories that a lone handyman working in his garage or basement can never match.</p><p>Having said that, the finished product I built by hand always turns out <i>way</i> cooler than any store-bought alternative.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This may be true to some extent , but I can also report from my own direct first-hand experience that there have been times I 've seen an item in the store for what I thought was an exorbitant price , and I decided to build it myself instead .
And while I did get the " enjoyment " payoff you mention , after buying all the wood , fasteners , hinges , paint , etc .
( not to mention a specialized tool if the project requires one ) I sometimes found that I spent as much or more than the " exorbitant " item would have cost in the first place .
There are certain economies of scale offered by bulk container ships and million-square-foot factories that a lone handyman working in his garage or basement can never match.Having said that , the finished product I built by hand always turns out way cooler than any store-bought alternative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may be true to some extent, but I can also report from my own direct first-hand experience that there have been times I've seen an item in the store for what I thought was an exorbitant price, and I decided to build it myself instead.
And while I did get the "enjoyment" payoff you mention, after buying all the wood, fasteners, hinges, paint, etc.
(not to mention a specialized tool if the project requires one) I sometimes found that I spent as much or more than the "exorbitant" item would have cost in the first place.
There are certain economies of scale offered by bulk container ships and million-square-foot factories that a lone handyman working in his garage or basement can never match.Having said that, the finished product I built by hand always turns out way cooler than any store-bought alternative.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31598490</id>
	<title>Good furniture costs money</title>
	<author>WarlockSquire</author>
	<datestamp>1269448980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For those complaining about the price tag: good quality furniture made from solid wood costs real money.<br>I spent over $1000 on black walnut (some highly figured) for a 7 drawer chest on chest I built last summer.<br>Probably spent close to 100 hours on it too.<br>Depending on the wood, $10, $20 or even $50 a board foot ( 1 square foot of wood, 1 inch thick) is not unusual.</p><p>That said, if it's cheap wood, or plywood with hardwood veneer, you should not be spending the same amount. (unless the veneer is exceedingly rare).</p><p>I wouldn't be surprised if there was well over $1000 of wood and hardware in it. (also wouldn't be surprise if it was crap).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For those complaining about the price tag : good quality furniture made from solid wood costs real money.I spent over $ 1000 on black walnut ( some highly figured ) for a 7 drawer chest on chest I built last summer.Probably spent close to 100 hours on it too.Depending on the wood , $ 10 , $ 20 or even $ 50 a board foot ( 1 square foot of wood , 1 inch thick ) is not unusual.That said , if it 's cheap wood , or plywood with hardwood veneer , you should not be spending the same amount .
( unless the veneer is exceedingly rare ) .I would n't be surprised if there was well over $ 1000 of wood and hardware in it .
( also would n't be surprise if it was crap ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those complaining about the price tag: good quality furniture made from solid wood costs real money.I spent over $1000 on black walnut (some highly figured) for a 7 drawer chest on chest I built last summer.Probably spent close to 100 hours on it too.Depending on the wood, $10, $20 or even $50 a board foot ( 1 square foot of wood, 1 inch thick) is not unusual.That said, if it's cheap wood, or plywood with hardwood veneer, you should not be spending the same amount.
(unless the veneer is exceedingly rare).I wouldn't be surprised if there was well over $1000 of wood and hardware in it.
(also wouldn't be surprise if it was crap).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597684</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269445800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure, I could build it, but I hate carpentry and I know from experience I would get no joy out of it.  So, if I were the kind of person who was really obsessed with gaming and had $8500 to throw around (I'm not and I don't), I might buy this table.  I would certainly not build it, because that would be a huge pain in the ass.  Different people have different interests, and carpentry is not one of mine by any stretch of the imagination.
<br> <br>
Obviously the market segment for this thing is limited, but the vast selection of furniture stores out there tells me there are plenty of people who would rather pay a premium for furniture to avoid having to build it themselves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , I could build it , but I hate carpentry and I know from experience I would get no joy out of it .
So , if I were the kind of person who was really obsessed with gaming and had $ 8500 to throw around ( I 'm not and I do n't ) , I might buy this table .
I would certainly not build it , because that would be a huge pain in the ass .
Different people have different interests , and carpentry is not one of mine by any stretch of the imagination .
Obviously the market segment for this thing is limited , but the vast selection of furniture stores out there tells me there are plenty of people who would rather pay a premium for furniture to avoid having to build it themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, I could build it, but I hate carpentry and I know from experience I would get no joy out of it.
So, if I were the kind of person who was really obsessed with gaming and had $8500 to throw around (I'm not and I don't), I might buy this table.
I would certainly not build it, because that would be a huge pain in the ass.
Different people have different interests, and carpentry is not one of mine by any stretch of the imagination.
Obviously the market segment for this thing is limited, but the vast selection of furniture stores out there tells me there are plenty of people who would rather pay a premium for furniture to avoid having to build it themselves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31603520</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>LordVader717</author>
	<datestamp>1269424560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not just a few joints here and there. Anyone can pick up carpenters tools and make some reasonable cuts with a bit of practice. But all the different techniques and know-how that goes into all those little drawers and supports is indeed a lot of work.</p><p>You sound like you already have some experience making your own furniture, so you probably have some of the basics under your belt. But to someone who has close to no experience working with wood every step of the way will be challenge and deliver unsatisfactory results.</p><p>And that's assuming you have the plans to build it in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just a few joints here and there .
Anyone can pick up carpenters tools and make some reasonable cuts with a bit of practice .
But all the different techniques and know-how that goes into all those little drawers and supports is indeed a lot of work.You sound like you already have some experience making your own furniture , so you probably have some of the basics under your belt .
But to someone who has close to no experience working with wood every step of the way will be challenge and deliver unsatisfactory results.And that 's assuming you have the plans to build it in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just a few joints here and there.
Anyone can pick up carpenters tools and make some reasonable cuts with a bit of practice.
But all the different techniques and know-how that goes into all those little drawers and supports is indeed a lot of work.You sound like you already have some experience making your own furniture, so you probably have some of the basics under your belt.
But to someone who has close to no experience working with wood every step of the way will be challenge and deliver unsatisfactory results.And that's assuming you have the plans to build it in the first place.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597398</id>
	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>pedestrian crossing</author>
	<datestamp>1269444720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Heck, at that price, you could buy all of the tools as well as materials.  Really, projects are just excuses to buy tools, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Heck , at that price , you could buy all of the tools as well as materials .
Really , projects are just excuses to buy tools , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heck, at that price, you could buy all of the tools as well as materials.
Really, projects are just excuses to buy tools, right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31598850</id>
	<title>The paradox of RPG's</title>
	<author>BobMcD</author>
	<datestamp>1269450060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm leaving the part of my life where I could be considered a young adult.  So are just about all of my friends.  In terms of Role Playing Games, I have two choices:</p><p>1) Move on, remembering them fondly<br>2) Become "that old guy"</p><p>Neither of these are too appealing, for obvious reasons.</p><p>In that context, the college student is never going to drop $8000 on a gaming table.  They have trouble buying the books as it is, and avail themselves of 'free PDF' content - justified by their cost/expense needs.</p><p>The old guy just might.  But would any of us, in our younger days, have gone to his house to play at it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm leaving the part of my life where I could be considered a young adult .
So are just about all of my friends .
In terms of Role Playing Games , I have two choices : 1 ) Move on , remembering them fondly2 ) Become " that old guy " Neither of these are too appealing , for obvious reasons.In that context , the college student is never going to drop $ 8000 on a gaming table .
They have trouble buying the books as it is , and avail themselves of 'free PDF ' content - justified by their cost/expense needs.The old guy just might .
But would any of us , in our younger days , have gone to his house to play at it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm leaving the part of my life where I could be considered a young adult.
So are just about all of my friends.
In terms of Role Playing Games, I have two choices:1) Move on, remembering them fondly2) Become "that old guy"Neither of these are too appealing, for obvious reasons.In that context, the college student is never going to drop $8000 on a gaming table.
They have trouble buying the books as it is, and avail themselves of 'free PDF' content - justified by their cost/expense needs.The old guy just might.
But would any of us, in our younger days, have gone to his house to play at it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31600852</id>
	<title>They're swamped with orders</title>
	<author>gigertron</author>
	<datestamp>1269457560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It really doesnt matter if you bitch about these tables - they're booked solid for at -least- 6 months, if not a year. I bought a dice tower from them, went to their workshop to pick it up. They can't even update their website because everytime they do, they get swamped with -more- advance orders that they may not be able to fill for a year.

Their target market is the 90k+ crowd. If you're not a member, don't bother complaining.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It really doesnt matter if you bitch about these tables - they 're booked solid for at -least- 6 months , if not a year .
I bought a dice tower from them , went to their workshop to pick it up .
They ca n't even update their website because everytime they do , they get swamped with -more- advance orders that they may not be able to fill for a year .
Their target market is the 90k + crowd .
If you 're not a member , do n't bother complaining .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It really doesnt matter if you bitch about these tables - they're booked solid for at -least- 6 months, if not a year.
I bought a dice tower from them, went to their workshop to pick it up.
They can't even update their website because everytime they do, they get swamped with -more- advance orders that they may not be able to fill for a year.
Their target market is the 90k+ crowd.
If you're not a member, don't bother complaining.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31597638</id>
	<title>Re:That is a horrible gaming table</title>
	<author>O('\_')O\_Bush</author>
	<datestamp>1269445620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh, I see, you were referring to the Sultan.<br><br>The Emissary can host chairs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , I see , you were referring to the Sultan.The Emissary can host chairs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, I see, you were referring to the Sultan.The Emissary can host chairs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31598168</id>
	<title>Re:No Picture?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269447780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.geekchichq.com/Co\_Store/files/stacks\_image\_72\_1.png</p><p>Sucks that they don't have a larger image, but yes they have made them (and brought them to GenCon a few times)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.geekchichq.com/Co \ _Store/files/stacks \ _image \ _72 \ _1.pngSucks that they do n't have a larger image , but yes they have made them ( and brought them to GenCon a few times )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.geekchichq.com/Co\_Store/files/stacks\_image\_72\_1.pngSucks that they don't have a larger image, but yes they have made them (and brought them to GenCon a few times)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_24_1312238.31627616</id>
	<title>Re:Okay, have had one of these in action.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269623700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's consider two people. One has a family, a house, and a car. The other has the same job but none of those things, and rents a two bedroom apartment.<br>Guy #2 has considerably more spending money than Guy #1. Guy #2 could even spend "car" money on the table and never really miss it.<br>The only quesiton would be if the bank would help him get a loan for a gaming table.</p><p>I think these guys should partner with someone like Games Workshop to display and sell their tables. GW has gaming tables in each of its zillion stores and at the least it would be great to demo the product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's consider two people .
One has a family , a house , and a car .
The other has the same job but none of those things , and rents a two bedroom apartment.Guy # 2 has considerably more spending money than Guy # 1 .
Guy # 2 could even spend " car " money on the table and never really miss it.The only quesiton would be if the bank would help him get a loan for a gaming table.I think these guys should partner with someone like Games Workshop to display and sell their tables .
GW has gaming tables in each of its zillion stores and at the least it would be great to demo the product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's consider two people.
One has a family, a house, and a car.
The other has the same job but none of those things, and rents a two bedroom apartment.Guy #2 has considerably more spending money than Guy #1.
Guy #2 could even spend "car" money on the table and never really miss it.The only quesiton would be if the bank would help him get a loan for a gaming table.I think these guys should partner with someone like Games Workshop to display and sell their tables.
GW has gaming tables in each of its zillion stores and at the least it would be great to demo the product.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Pool Table?</title>
	<author>Hamsterdan</author>
	<datestamp>1269447180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Kinda looks like a modified pool table</htmltext>
<tokenext>Kinda looks like a modified pool table</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kinda looks like a modified pool table</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:It's Just A Table</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1269445680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And MDF is NOT a hardwood.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And MDF is NOT a hardwood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And MDF is NOT a hardwood.</sentencetext>
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	<title>ffs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269446400000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Slow news day much?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slow news day much ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slow news day much?</sentencetext>
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