<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_23_2327227</id>
	<title>No More Firefox For Windows Mobile</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269348000000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/" rel="nofollow">angry tapir</a> writes <i>"Mozilla has decided to <a href="http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/340570/mozilla\_stops\_development\_firefox\_windows\_mobile/">stop development of a version of its Firefox mobile Web browser</a> for phones running Windows Mobile. The reason is that Microsoft has closed the door to native applications on smartphones running its new Windows Phone 7 Series software. More reasoning can be found in a <a href="http://blog.pavlov.net/2010/03/22/stopping-development-for-windows-mobile/">blog post by Stuart Parmenter</a>, director of Mobile Engineering at Mozilla."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>angry tapir writes " Mozilla has decided to stop development of a version of its Firefox mobile Web browser for phones running Windows Mobile .
The reason is that Microsoft has closed the door to native applications on smartphones running its new Windows Phone 7 Series software .
More reasoning can be found in a blog post by Stuart Parmenter , director of Mobile Engineering at Mozilla .
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<sentencetext>angry tapir writes "Mozilla has decided to stop development of a version of its Firefox mobile Web browser for phones running Windows Mobile.
The reason is that Microsoft has closed the door to native applications on smartphones running its new Windows Phone 7 Series software.
More reasoning can be found in a blog post by Stuart Parmenter, director of Mobile Engineering at Mozilla.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31595342</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1269430200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm testing Android on a WinMob device now. The kernel image is badly out of date, but a lot of the hardware works. Wireless, Bluetooth, some app support... Camera and accelerometers are an issue, but being worked on. Right now it HaRET is used to load the kernel from within WinMobile (Kills Windows, replaces it with Android) but as soon as it's working it'll be cooked into a ROM image ready for flashing.<br> <br>Here's hoping the Topaz is a first!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm testing Android on a WinMob device now .
The kernel image is badly out of date , but a lot of the hardware works .
Wireless , Bluetooth , some app support... Camera and accelerometers are an issue , but being worked on .
Right now it HaRET is used to load the kernel from within WinMobile ( Kills Windows , replaces it with Android ) but as soon as it 's working it 'll be cooked into a ROM image ready for flashing .
Here 's hoping the Topaz is a first !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm testing Android on a WinMob device now.
The kernel image is badly out of date, but a lot of the hardware works.
Wireless, Bluetooth, some app support... Camera and accelerometers are an issue, but being worked on.
Right now it HaRET is used to load the kernel from within WinMobile (Kills Windows, replaces it with Android) but as soon as it's working it'll be cooked into a ROM image ready for flashing.
Here's hoping the Topaz is a first!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31594120</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>toadlife</author>
	<datestamp>1269367080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+1</p><p>Sadly, it looks like my Touch Pro 2 will be the last WinMo phone I own.  My wife is getting the HD2, and that should be a fantastic phone, but after that, we will probably be moving on to either Android Phones (HTC with SenseUI of course), or maybe even one of those high-end Nokia phones with Linux.</p><p>WinMo, despite it's warts, is one of the most open phone platforms out there, partly due to Microsoft and partly due to sites like xda-developers. It's going to tough to find a phone platform that allows me to cook a program like <a href="http://remotetracker.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">Remote Tracker</a> [sourceforge.net] pre-configured, into my own custom ROM and track my phone using GPS, even if someone hard resets it and changes the SIM card.</p><p>As far as I know, no ready made solution quite like that is available (yet) on any other phone platform.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1Sadly , it looks like my Touch Pro 2 will be the last WinMo phone I own .
My wife is getting the HD2 , and that should be a fantastic phone , but after that , we will probably be moving on to either Android Phones ( HTC with SenseUI of course ) , or maybe even one of those high-end Nokia phones with Linux.WinMo , despite it 's warts , is one of the most open phone platforms out there , partly due to Microsoft and partly due to sites like xda-developers .
It 's going to tough to find a phone platform that allows me to cook a program like Remote Tracker [ sourceforge.net ] pre-configured , into my own custom ROM and track my phone using GPS , even if someone hard resets it and changes the SIM card.As far as I know , no ready made solution quite like that is available ( yet ) on any other phone platform .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1Sadly, it looks like my Touch Pro 2 will be the last WinMo phone I own.
My wife is getting the HD2, and that should be a fantastic phone, but after that, we will probably be moving on to either Android Phones (HTC with SenseUI of course), or maybe even one of those high-end Nokia phones with Linux.WinMo, despite it's warts, is one of the most open phone platforms out there, partly due to Microsoft and partly due to sites like xda-developers.
It's going to tough to find a phone platform that allows me to cook a program like Remote Tracker [sourceforge.net] pre-configured, into my own custom ROM and track my phone using GPS, even if someone hard resets it and changes the SIM card.As far as I know, no ready made solution quite like that is available (yet) on any other phone platform.
:(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592186</id>
	<title>I can't believe this</title>
	<author>bsharp8256</author>
	<datestamp>1269352440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How dare they not allow native applications to run on their smartphones? Microsoft should die and burn in hell, etc., etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How dare they not allow native applications to run on their smartphones ?
Microsoft should die and burn in hell , etc. , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How dare they not allow native applications to run on their smartphones?
Microsoft should die and burn in hell, etc., etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592702</id>
	<title>Re:Shame on me, RTFA.</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1269355680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So the reason Microsoft is not allowing native applications is because they are requiring apps to run in either Silverlight or XNA.</p></div><p>There's more to it. XNA applications are normally not sandboxed - they can do "unsafe" operations (pointer arithmetic etc) which circumvent GC and various runtime checks, but also work faster. They can also do P/Invoke calls to DLLs written in C. But, heck, even given just C#, but with a full set of its "unsafe" features, it would be possible to write a C-to-C# compiler, and performance would be pretty good at runtime too (maybe about 10-15\% slower than gcc).</p><p>Silverlight, theoretically, doesn't preclude all that stuff, either. It's normally sandboxed when running in the browser, for obvious reasons, but it doesn't have to be sandboxed everywhere.</p><p>The problem is with the platform itself - it sandboxes all managed applications it runs, both XNA and Silverlight...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So the reason Microsoft is not allowing native applications is because they are requiring apps to run in either Silverlight or XNA.There 's more to it .
XNA applications are normally not sandboxed - they can do " unsafe " operations ( pointer arithmetic etc ) which circumvent GC and various runtime checks , but also work faster .
They can also do P/Invoke calls to DLLs written in C. But , heck , even given just C # , but with a full set of its " unsafe " features , it would be possible to write a C-to-C # compiler , and performance would be pretty good at runtime too ( maybe about 10-15 \ % slower than gcc ) .Silverlight , theoretically , does n't preclude all that stuff , either .
It 's normally sandboxed when running in the browser , for obvious reasons , but it does n't have to be sandboxed everywhere.The problem is with the platform itself - it sandboxes all managed applications it runs , both XNA and Silverlight.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the reason Microsoft is not allowing native applications is because they are requiring apps to run in either Silverlight or XNA.There's more to it.
XNA applications are normally not sandboxed - they can do "unsafe" operations (pointer arithmetic etc) which circumvent GC and various runtime checks, but also work faster.
They can also do P/Invoke calls to DLLs written in C. But, heck, even given just C#, but with a full set of its "unsafe" features, it would be possible to write a C-to-C# compiler, and performance would be pretty good at runtime too (maybe about 10-15\% slower than gcc).Silverlight, theoretically, doesn't preclude all that stuff, either.
It's normally sandboxed when running in the browser, for obvious reasons, but it doesn't have to be sandboxed everywhere.The problem is with the platform itself - it sandboxes all managed applications it runs, both XNA and Silverlight...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592638</id>
	<title>Windows 7 Immobile</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1269355260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bone heads. Apple's partially closed approach has been a PR disaster. Despite having a slick phone, there are plenty who'll avoid it like the plague. Only the fact that it was first to market has saved it So MS, who's anything but first to market with advanced smartphones, decides to go one better and close development to everything except CNA and Silverlight? (while Ironically Apple won't support Flash). It's like watching Dumb and Dumber.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bone heads .
Apple 's partially closed approach has been a PR disaster .
Despite having a slick phone , there are plenty who 'll avoid it like the plague .
Only the fact that it was first to market has saved it So MS , who 's anything but first to market with advanced smartphones , decides to go one better and close development to everything except CNA and Silverlight ?
( while Ironically Apple wo n't support Flash ) .
It 's like watching Dumb and Dumber .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bone heads.
Apple's partially closed approach has been a PR disaster.
Despite having a slick phone, there are plenty who'll avoid it like the plague.
Only the fact that it was first to market has saved it So MS, who's anything but first to market with advanced smartphones, decides to go one better and close development to everything except CNA and Silverlight?
(while Ironically Apple won't support Flash).
It's like watching Dumb and Dumber.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31595234</id>
	<title>Re:Preemptive Strike</title>
	<author>delinear</author>
	<datestamp>1269428820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So long as it's only insecure on jailbroken phones, MS have perfect deniability - I think they'd take that, it really depends where they see their market, as gatekeepers for content or as OS providers. Sure, they'll want to do both, but to some extent they're counter productive (people would rather have an open OS which runs counter to the gatekeeper walled garden approach) so they'll probably opt for somewhere in between (a walled garden but not too difficult to jailbreak the phone).</htmltext>
<tokenext>So long as it 's only insecure on jailbroken phones , MS have perfect deniability - I think they 'd take that , it really depends where they see their market , as gatekeepers for content or as OS providers .
Sure , they 'll want to do both , but to some extent they 're counter productive ( people would rather have an open OS which runs counter to the gatekeeper walled garden approach ) so they 'll probably opt for somewhere in between ( a walled garden but not too difficult to jailbreak the phone ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So long as it's only insecure on jailbroken phones, MS have perfect deniability - I think they'd take that, it really depends where they see their market, as gatekeepers for content or as OS providers.
Sure, they'll want to do both, but to some extent they're counter productive (people would rather have an open OS which runs counter to the gatekeeper walled garden approach) so they'll probably opt for somewhere in between (a walled garden but not too difficult to jailbreak the phone).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31595052</id>
	<title>Re:How sure are you? Microsoft says otherwise.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269426540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thing, is how often the Mac people end up knowing so much more about both platforms than the people who only really know Windows.</i></p><p>Well, I don't know about Mac users in general, but you have pretty much proven time and again that you are an ignorant Apple fanboy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thing , is how often the Mac people end up knowing so much more about both platforms than the people who only really know Windows.Well , I do n't know about Mac users in general , but you have pretty much proven time and again that you are an ignorant Apple fanboy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thing, is how often the Mac people end up knowing so much more about both platforms than the people who only really know Windows.Well, I don't know about Mac users in general, but you have pretty much proven time and again that you are an ignorant Apple fanboy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593116</id>
	<title>Re:Preemptive Strike</title>
	<author>aristotle-dude</author>
	<datestamp>1269358680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>&gt; Given that Microsoft has a closed app store model for Windows 7 (just like the iPhone) the chances are good Microsoft would not allow Mozilla to run anyway, even if they wanted to make a nice Silverlight based browser...</p><p>I wonder, will the Apple fanboys defend Microsoft for this?</p><p>(I, for one, hate the closed app stores on all platforms.  I wouldn't have such a big problem if you could get apps (without jailbreaking) from somewhere other than their store, but I do have a big problem with using any device that restricts what I can run on it.)</p></div><p>Why would anyone but the most rabid MSFT fanboys defend this? Apple offers an API for "native" app and game development. What MSFT is doing is more akin to the PDK released by Palm OS which is also not fully "native".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Given that Microsoft has a closed app store model for Windows 7 ( just like the iPhone ) the chances are good Microsoft would not allow Mozilla to run anyway , even if they wanted to make a nice Silverlight based browser...I wonder , will the Apple fanboys defend Microsoft for this ?
( I , for one , hate the closed app stores on all platforms .
I would n't have such a big problem if you could get apps ( without jailbreaking ) from somewhere other than their store , but I do have a big problem with using any device that restricts what I can run on it .
) Why would anyone but the most rabid MSFT fanboys defend this ?
Apple offers an API for " native " app and game development .
What MSFT is doing is more akin to the PDK released by Palm OS which is also not fully " native " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Given that Microsoft has a closed app store model for Windows 7 (just like the iPhone) the chances are good Microsoft would not allow Mozilla to run anyway, even if they wanted to make a nice Silverlight based browser...I wonder, will the Apple fanboys defend Microsoft for this?
(I, for one, hate the closed app stores on all platforms.
I wouldn't have such a big problem if you could get apps (without jailbreaking) from somewhere other than their store, but I do have a big problem with using any device that restricts what I can run on it.
)Why would anyone but the most rabid MSFT fanboys defend this?
Apple offers an API for "native" app and game development.
What MSFT is doing is more akin to the PDK released by Palm OS which is also not fully "native".
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592922</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>Espectr0</author>
	<datestamp>1269357360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's because it's intentional, and more like:</p><p>Company: javascript/java/flash/silverlight are good enough for now, since we want to sell the devices while we have time to develop a native sdk!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because it 's intentional , and more like : Company : javascript/java/flash/silverlight are good enough for now , since we want to sell the devices while we have time to develop a native sdk !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because it's intentional, and more like:Company: javascript/java/flash/silverlight are good enough for now, since we want to sell the devices while we have time to develop a native sdk!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593276</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>uberjack</author>
	<datestamp>1269359940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately, Android's support for native C code leaves a lot to be desired, as one cannot write entire applications in C. At the moment, the NDK is all but useless to most developers (myself included) that need it for more than just libraries.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , Android 's support for native C code leaves a lot to be desired , as one can not write entire applications in C. At the moment , the NDK is all but useless to most developers ( myself included ) that need it for more than just libraries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, Android's support for native C code leaves a lot to be desired, as one cannot write entire applications in C. At the moment, the NDK is all but useless to most developers (myself included) that need it for more than just libraries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592612</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>eugeni</author>
	<datestamp>1269355140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't worry, no matter what they do, you still can copy-and-paste on WinMo!</p><p>Err.. can you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry , no matter what they do , you still can copy-and-paste on WinMo ! Err.. can you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry, no matter what they do, you still can copy-and-paste on WinMo!Err.. can you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31596232</id>
	<title>Re:ROFL!</title>
	<author>UnknowingFool</author>
	<datestamp>1269438060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean is anyone truly surprised that MS is copying Apple's strategy here?  MS hasn't been innovative for a decade or so.  The last decent thing they did was to make Windows 7 not suck as badly as Vista which isn't a high standard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean is anyone truly surprised that MS is copying Apple 's strategy here ?
MS has n't been innovative for a decade or so .
The last decent thing they did was to make Windows 7 not suck as badly as Vista which is n't a high standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean is anyone truly surprised that MS is copying Apple's strategy here?
MS hasn't been innovative for a decade or so.
The last decent thing they did was to make Windows 7 not suck as badly as Vista which isn't a high standard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592584</id>
	<title>Re:Preemptive Strike</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1269355020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Given that Microsoft has a closed app store model for Windows 7 (just like the iPhone) the chances are good Microsoft would not allow Mozilla to run anyway, even if they wanted to make a nice Silverlight based browser...</p></div><p>We don't know the exact rules for store approval process yet, but all information on that so far only mentioned malware and stuff such as "indecency" as reasons for rejection, and nothing even remotely similar to Apple's "no compete" clauses.</p><p>That said, it still sucks big time. There are rumors that there will be a "non-publicized" way of uploading apps directly via USB, circumventing Marketplace, but somehow I suspect this is really only about SDK debugging tools - not exactly something you expect a non-developer (even a power user) to be prepared to tinker with.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that Microsoft has a closed app store model for Windows 7 ( just like the iPhone ) the chances are good Microsoft would not allow Mozilla to run anyway , even if they wanted to make a nice Silverlight based browser...We do n't know the exact rules for store approval process yet , but all information on that so far only mentioned malware and stuff such as " indecency " as reasons for rejection , and nothing even remotely similar to Apple 's " no compete " clauses.That said , it still sucks big time .
There are rumors that there will be a " non-publicized " way of uploading apps directly via USB , circumventing Marketplace , but somehow I suspect this is really only about SDK debugging tools - not exactly something you expect a non-developer ( even a power user ) to be prepared to tinker with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that Microsoft has a closed app store model for Windows 7 (just like the iPhone) the chances are good Microsoft would not allow Mozilla to run anyway, even if they wanted to make a nice Silverlight based browser...We don't know the exact rules for store approval process yet, but all information on that so far only mentioned malware and stuff such as "indecency" as reasons for rejection, and nothing even remotely similar to Apple's "no compete" clauses.That said, it still sucks big time.
There are rumors that there will be a "non-publicized" way of uploading apps directly via USB, circumventing Marketplace, but somehow I suspect this is really only about SDK debugging tools - not exactly something you expect a non-developer (even a power user) to be prepared to tinker with.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31607578</id>
	<title>Not stopped, but put on hold</title>
	<author>jonathan1979</author>
	<datestamp>1269457200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Mozilla has decided to stop development of a version of its Firefox mobile Web browser for phones running Windows Mobile.</p></div><p>Twisting the facts... according to the blog they are not stopping development, but are putting it on hold, hopefully to pick it up when Microsoft permits it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Because of this, we won&rsquo;t be able to provide Firefox for Windows Phone 7 at this time.  Given that Microsoft is staking their future in mobile on Windows Mobile 7 (not 6.5) and because we don&rsquo;t know if or when Microsoft will release a native development kit, we are putting our Windows Mobile development on hold.</p><p><div class="quote"></div></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Mozilla has decided to stop development of a version of its Firefox mobile Web browser for phones running Windows Mobile.Twisting the facts... according to the blog they are not stopping development , but are putting it on hold , hopefully to pick it up when Microsoft permits it.Because of this , we won    t be able to provide Firefox for Windows Phone 7 at this time .
Given that Microsoft is staking their future in mobile on Windows Mobile 7 ( not 6.5 ) and because we don    t know if or when Microsoft will release a native development kit , we are putting our Windows Mobile development on hold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Mozilla has decided to stop development of a version of its Firefox mobile Web browser for phones running Windows Mobile.Twisting the facts... according to the blog they are not stopping development, but are putting it on hold, hopefully to pick it up when Microsoft permits it.Because of this, we won’t be able to provide Firefox for Windows Phone 7 at this time.
Given that Microsoft is staking their future in mobile on Windows Mobile 7 (not 6.5) and because we don’t know if or when Microsoft will release a native development kit, we are putting our Windows Mobile development on hold.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31595850</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269435540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In 2005 when the Xbox 360 was released.. maybe you never heard of the native C SDK called DirectX?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In 2005 when the Xbox 360 was released.. maybe you never heard of the native C SDK called DirectX ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In 2005 when the Xbox 360 was released.. maybe you never heard of the native C SDK called DirectX?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31595218</id>
	<title>Re:How sure are you? Microsoft says otherwise.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269428640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One thing is for sure: I will never ever buy a programmable device on which I cannot install any software I like in a way that is solely controlled by me. NEVER.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing is for sure : I will never ever buy a programmable device on which I can not install any software I like in a way that is solely controlled by me .
NEVER .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing is for sure: I will never ever buy a programmable device on which I cannot install any software I like in a way that is solely controlled by me.
NEVER.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31595158</id>
	<title>Thanks for not saying "PC vs. Mac"</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1269428040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thing</p></div><p>For those of us who can't find large differences between an Apple laptop running Linux and an Dell laptop running Linux, thank you very much for not framing the debate as PC versus Mac.</p><p>I can't tell you how badly I hate that choice of words.  It pulls me in (because I use a computer that either is or isn't made by Apple) but then leaves me out (because I use software that both isn't made by Microsoft and isn't made by Apple).</p><p>It's a relic of the past---from when PC meant IBM-compatible PC.  The IBM PC business has died out as per <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM\_PC\_compatible#The\_declining\_influence\_of\_IBM" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM\_PC\_compatible#The\_declining\_influence\_of\_IBM</a> [wikipedia.org].</p><p>The word (/abbrev.) PC means nothing having to do with being a personal thing and much more about being a consumer-affordable general purpose computer (i.e. my Wii/router/phone isn't a PC, nor is my Cray 1, but my Apple laptop is); at least that's the way I use it and hear it used, except maybe by people who need to distance themselves from the majority of people who run Windows on an Intel box.</p><p>Get over yourself.  Yes, I run something else too.  I don't go around telling everybody about it any longer.  I was a fan boy.  Now I'm pretty chill about it. Linux is the set of trade-offs that works best for me; if you like something else that's fine with me.  Heck if you prefer Blackbox to Fluxbox or vim to emacs, that's cool.  Use what works <em>for you</em>.  Even if it's made by a company I don't like.</p><p>Just leave me out of your mud wrestling match between you and The Windows Sheeple.  Maybe we can have a beer together when you get over it?</p><p>Thanks. &lt;/rant&gt;</p></div>
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<tokenext>The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thingFor those of us who ca n't find large differences between an Apple laptop running Linux and an Dell laptop running Linux , thank you very much for not framing the debate as PC versus Mac.I ca n't tell you how badly I hate that choice of words .
It pulls me in ( because I use a computer that either is or is n't made by Apple ) but then leaves me out ( because I use software that both is n't made by Microsoft and is n't made by Apple ) .It 's a relic of the past---from when PC meant IBM-compatible PC .
The IBM PC business has died out as per http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM \ _PC \ _compatible # The \ _declining \ _influence \ _of \ _IBM [ wikipedia.org ] .The word ( /abbrev .
) PC means nothing having to do with being a personal thing and much more about being a consumer-affordable general purpose computer ( i.e .
my Wii/router/phone is n't a PC , nor is my Cray 1 , but my Apple laptop is ) ; at least that 's the way I use it and hear it used , except maybe by people who need to distance themselves from the majority of people who run Windows on an Intel box.Get over yourself .
Yes , I run something else too .
I do n't go around telling everybody about it any longer .
I was a fan boy .
Now I 'm pretty chill about it .
Linux is the set of trade-offs that works best for me ; if you like something else that 's fine with me .
Heck if you prefer Blackbox to Fluxbox or vim to emacs , that 's cool .
Use what works for you .
Even if it 's made by a company I do n't like.Just leave me out of your mud wrestling match between you and The Windows Sheeple .
Maybe we can have a beer together when you get over it ? Thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thingFor those of us who can't find large differences between an Apple laptop running Linux and an Dell laptop running Linux, thank you very much for not framing the debate as PC versus Mac.I can't tell you how badly I hate that choice of words.
It pulls me in (because I use a computer that either is or isn't made by Apple) but then leaves me out (because I use software that both isn't made by Microsoft and isn't made by Apple).It's a relic of the past---from when PC meant IBM-compatible PC.
The IBM PC business has died out as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM\_PC\_compatible#The\_declining\_influence\_of\_IBM [wikipedia.org].The word (/abbrev.
) PC means nothing having to do with being a personal thing and much more about being a consumer-affordable general purpose computer (i.e.
my Wii/router/phone isn't a PC, nor is my Cray 1, but my Apple laptop is); at least that's the way I use it and hear it used, except maybe by people who need to distance themselves from the majority of people who run Windows on an Intel box.Get over yourself.
Yes, I run something else too.
I don't go around telling everybody about it any longer.
I was a fan boy.
Now I'm pretty chill about it.
Linux is the set of trade-offs that works best for me; if you like something else that's fine with me.
Heck if you prefer Blackbox to Fluxbox or vim to emacs, that's cool.
Use what works for you.
Even if it's made by a company I don't like.Just leave me out of your mud wrestling match between you and The Windows Sheeple.
Maybe we can have a beer together when you get over it?Thanks. 
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31596386</id>
	<title>Re:Just Requiring CLR?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269439260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know were you've been in the last 30 years or so, but today we have a nice thing called "virtual memory". Apps run in their own adress space, sharing the system memory, and if one app crashes it doesnt take the system down. VM sandboxes are just a reimplementation of virtual memory in software, and they are know to add overhead. I think the problems cames with users, a native app can be hacked to access other processes from the same users (and of course, the files). Fortunately, it's not impossible to run apps with different user names, or just use SELinux, which allows to sandbox native code.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know were you 've been in the last 30 years or so , but today we have a nice thing called " virtual memory " .
Apps run in their own adress space , sharing the system memory , and if one app crashes it doesnt take the system down .
VM sandboxes are just a reimplementation of virtual memory in software , and they are know to add overhead .
I think the problems cames with users , a native app can be hacked to access other processes from the same users ( and of course , the files ) .
Fortunately , it 's not impossible to run apps with different user names , or just use SELinux , which allows to sandbox native code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know were you've been in the last 30 years or so, but today we have a nice thing called "virtual memory".
Apps run in their own adress space, sharing the system memory, and if one app crashes it doesnt take the system down.
VM sandboxes are just a reimplementation of virtual memory in software, and they are know to add overhead.
I think the problems cames with users, a native app can be hacked to access other processes from the same users (and of course, the files).
Fortunately, it's not impossible to run apps with different user names, or just use SELinux, which allows to sandbox native code.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593566</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269362400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who would bother to jailbreak a WinPhone?  Really?</p><p>Just one more in an ever expanding list of reasons to ditch Windows for Linux, now on the Nokia N900!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who would bother to jailbreak a WinPhone ?
Really ? Just one more in an ever expanding list of reasons to ditch Windows for Linux , now on the Nokia N900 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who would bother to jailbreak a WinPhone?
Really?Just one more in an ever expanding list of reasons to ditch Windows for Linux, now on the Nokia N900!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592160</id>
	<title>Preemptive Strike</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269352260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given that Microsoft has a closed app store model for Windows 7 (just like the iPhone) the chances are good Microsoft would not allow Mozilla to run anyway, even if they wanted to make a nice Silverlight based browser...</p><p>That was an interesting choice on Microsoft's part, I can't believe they are not trying to grasp a lot of C# developers that have shifted to the iPhone just to move where the marketshare is.  Now those guys have no reason to switch back anytime soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that Microsoft has a closed app store model for Windows 7 ( just like the iPhone ) the chances are good Microsoft would not allow Mozilla to run anyway , even if they wanted to make a nice Silverlight based browser...That was an interesting choice on Microsoft 's part , I ca n't believe they are not trying to grasp a lot of C # developers that have shifted to the iPhone just to move where the marketshare is .
Now those guys have no reason to switch back anytime soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that Microsoft has a closed app store model for Windows 7 (just like the iPhone) the chances are good Microsoft would not allow Mozilla to run anyway, even if they wanted to make a nice Silverlight based browser...That was an interesting choice on Microsoft's part, I can't believe they are not trying to grasp a lot of C# developers that have shifted to the iPhone just to move where the marketshare is.
Now those guys have no reason to switch back anytime soon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592360</id>
	<title>Shame on me, RTFA.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269353580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>So the reason Microsoft is not allowing native applications is because they are requiring apps to run in either Silverlight or XNA.  This is a classic strike against for-profit closed-source: their priorities do not always line up with their users.  Remove the profit-motive and all of a sudden you are following your users not trying to make your own tech <i>the</i> standard of the day.  I like my software bottom-up please, not top-down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So the reason Microsoft is not allowing native applications is because they are requiring apps to run in either Silverlight or XNA .
This is a classic strike against for-profit closed-source : their priorities do not always line up with their users .
Remove the profit-motive and all of a sudden you are following your users not trying to make your own tech the standard of the day .
I like my software bottom-up please , not top-down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the reason Microsoft is not allowing native applications is because they are requiring apps to run in either Silverlight or XNA.
This is a classic strike against for-profit closed-source: their priorities do not always line up with their users.
Remove the profit-motive and all of a sudden you are following your users not trying to make your own tech the standard of the day.
I like my software bottom-up please, not top-down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592374</id>
	<title>Meh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269353700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So there will only be 11 selections on the browser choice menu.
</p><p>I can still pick Opera.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So there will only be 11 selections on the browser choice menu .
I can still pick Opera .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So there will only be 11 selections on the browser choice menu.
I can still pick Opera.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593026</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269357960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Microsoft, 2010: Silverlight and Flash are good enough!</p></div><p>XNA, the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET based SDK for Xbox 360, came out in 2008. So when does the public get the C SDK?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft , 2010 : Silverlight and Flash are good enough ! XNA , the .NET based SDK for Xbox 360 , came out in 2008 .
So when does the public get the C SDK ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft, 2010: Silverlight and Flash are good enough!XNA, the .NET based SDK for Xbox 360, came out in 2008.
So when does the public get the C SDK?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31603486</id>
	<title>Re:How sure are you? Microsoft says otherwise.</title>
	<author>dfghjk</author>
	<datestamp>1269424440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thing, is how often the Mac people end up knowing so much more about both platforms than the people who only really know Windows. And so the trend continues it would seem."</p><p>That is not my experience, and I say that as a Mac user.  The most ignorant users I've come across are generally Mac people.  Apple panders to that customer.</p><p>"...but once you have paid you can put anything on the phone."</p><p>Paying also means agreeing to Apple's draconian terms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thing , is how often the Mac people end up knowing so much more about both platforms than the people who only really know Windows .
And so the trend continues it would seem .
" That is not my experience , and I say that as a Mac user .
The most ignorant users I 've come across are generally Mac people .
Apple panders to that customer .
" ...but once you have paid you can put anything on the phone .
" Paying also means agreeing to Apple 's draconian terms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thing, is how often the Mac people end up knowing so much more about both platforms than the people who only really know Windows.
And so the trend continues it would seem.
"That is not my experience, and I say that as a Mac user.
The most ignorant users I've come across are generally Mac people.
Apple panders to that customer.
"...but once you have paid you can put anything on the phone.
"Paying also means agreeing to Apple's draconian terms.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592672</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1269355440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Microsoft, 2010: Silverlight and Flash are good enough!</p></div><p>Unfortunately, it's more complicated than that. It was already announced that native SDK will be available - but it will only be provided to OEMs, and only for writing preinstalled applications.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft , 2010 : Silverlight and Flash are good enough ! Unfortunately , it 's more complicated than that .
It was already announced that native SDK will be available - but it will only be provided to OEMs , and only for writing preinstalled applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft, 2010: Silverlight and Flash are good enough!Unfortunately, it's more complicated than that.
It was already announced that native SDK will be available - but it will only be provided to OEMs, and only for writing preinstalled applications.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592436</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592472</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>mykro76</author>
	<datestamp>1269354360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I *like* having native applications.<br>
I *like* HTC's SenseUI.<br>
I *like* being able to use my phone as USB mass storage.<br>
I *like* being able to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... use a custom ROM from HTCpedia or xda-developers.<br>
I *like* being able to tether my phone using a standard data plan.<br>
I *like* Opera Mobile.</p> </div><p>Android welcomes you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I * like * having native applications .
I * like * HTC 's SenseUI .
I * like * being able to use my phone as USB mass storage .
I * like * being able to ... use a custom ROM from HTCpedia or xda-developers .
I * like * being able to tether my phone using a standard data plan .
I * like * Opera Mobile .
Android welcomes you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I *like* having native applications.
I *like* HTC's SenseUI.
I *like* being able to use my phone as USB mass storage.
I *like* being able to ... use a custom ROM from HTCpedia or xda-developers.
I *like* being able to tether my phone using a standard data plan.
I *like* Opera Mobile.
Android welcomes you.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592868</id>
	<title>Re:Preemptive Strike</title>
	<author>im\_thatoneguy</author>
	<datestamp>1269356940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given that Microsoft already has an app store and hasn't made any motion to filter what goes into it... I think it's safe to say anyone will probably be able to release anything they please.</p><p>Just because there is a gate doesn't mean there is a gatekeeper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that Microsoft already has an app store and has n't made any motion to filter what goes into it... I think it 's safe to say anyone will probably be able to release anything they please.Just because there is a gate does n't mean there is a gatekeeper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that Microsoft already has an app store and hasn't made any motion to filter what goes into it... I think it's safe to say anyone will probably be able to release anything they please.Just because there is a gate doesn't mean there is a gatekeeper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31600842</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>jez9999</author>
	<datestamp>1269457560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Security?  Never mind that - if Microsoft want to lock people in to their dumbass app store, Flash provides the perfect backdoor for developing an app without getting MS approval - just direct people to your webpage with the Flash plugin.  That's the main reason Apple don't allow Flash on the iPhone.  It sucks bigtime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Security ?
Never mind that - if Microsoft want to lock people in to their dumbass app store , Flash provides the perfect backdoor for developing an app without getting MS approval - just direct people to your webpage with the Flash plugin .
That 's the main reason Apple do n't allow Flash on the iPhone .
It sucks bigtime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Security?
Never mind that - if Microsoft want to lock people in to their dumbass app store, Flash provides the perfect backdoor for developing an app without getting MS approval - just direct people to your webpage with the Flash plugin.
That's the main reason Apple don't allow Flash on the iPhone.
It sucks bigtime.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593712</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269363720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google need a Java API.  This shitty Dalvik thing is not quite good enough because libraries like JRuby can't work in compiled mode on it.</p><p>The others need a Java API too.  I'm sick of crashy sof</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google need a Java API .
This shitty Dalvik thing is not quite good enough because libraries like JRuby ca n't work in compiled mode on it.The others need a Java API too .
I 'm sick of crashy sof</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google need a Java API.
This shitty Dalvik thing is not quite good enough because libraries like JRuby can't work in compiled mode on it.The others need a Java API too.
I'm sick of crashy sof</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592436</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593402</id>
	<title>Meh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269361020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I waited years for this.  I used it back when it was an alpha and called Minimo. It has always supposedly been coming soon.  I doubt they ever would have finished it anyway.  This is a convenient escape for Mozilla.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I waited years for this .
I used it back when it was an alpha and called Minimo .
It has always supposedly been coming soon .
I doubt they ever would have finished it anyway .
This is a convenient escape for Mozilla .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I waited years for this.
I used it back when it was an alpha and called Minimo.
It has always supposedly been coming soon.
I doubt they ever would have finished it anyway.
This is a convenient escape for Mozilla.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593138</id>
	<title>Re:Preemptive Strike</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269358920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>We don't know the exact rules for store approval process yet, but all information on that so far only mentioned malware and stuff such as "indecency" as reasons for rejection, and nothing even remotely similar to Apple's "no compete" clauses.</i></p><p>That's a good point, although they seem very keen to protect "the experience" so I tend to think they will act similarly to things that would replace core functions... but I think they are also trying to allow apps to sort of extend the core experiences (like things that can present different information feeds in those opening tiles) as a kind of relief valve for that energy.</p><p><i>That said, it still sucks big time. There are rumors that there will be a "non-publicized" way of uploading apps directly via USB, circumventing Marketplace, but somehow I suspect this is really only about SDK debugging tools - not exactly something you expect a non-developer (even a power user) to be prepared to tinker with.</i></p><p>I'm pretty sure it will be jailbroken just like the iPhone was, so technical users can do what they want (as they always do).  Then I think you'll see a power user path a lot of people will be able to use.  What will be really interesting to see is who clamps on down jailbrake exploits more  - I think it will be Microsoft, eager to have this platform be as utterly secure as they can make it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't know the exact rules for store approval process yet , but all information on that so far only mentioned malware and stuff such as " indecency " as reasons for rejection , and nothing even remotely similar to Apple 's " no compete " clauses.That 's a good point , although they seem very keen to protect " the experience " so I tend to think they will act similarly to things that would replace core functions... but I think they are also trying to allow apps to sort of extend the core experiences ( like things that can present different information feeds in those opening tiles ) as a kind of relief valve for that energy.That said , it still sucks big time .
There are rumors that there will be a " non-publicized " way of uploading apps directly via USB , circumventing Marketplace , but somehow I suspect this is really only about SDK debugging tools - not exactly something you expect a non-developer ( even a power user ) to be prepared to tinker with.I 'm pretty sure it will be jailbroken just like the iPhone was , so technical users can do what they want ( as they always do ) .
Then I think you 'll see a power user path a lot of people will be able to use .
What will be really interesting to see is who clamps on down jailbrake exploits more - I think it will be Microsoft , eager to have this platform be as utterly secure as they can make it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't know the exact rules for store approval process yet, but all information on that so far only mentioned malware and stuff such as "indecency" as reasons for rejection, and nothing even remotely similar to Apple's "no compete" clauses.That's a good point, although they seem very keen to protect "the experience" so I tend to think they will act similarly to things that would replace core functions... but I think they are also trying to allow apps to sort of extend the core experiences (like things that can present different information feeds in those opening tiles) as a kind of relief valve for that energy.That said, it still sucks big time.
There are rumors that there will be a "non-publicized" way of uploading apps directly via USB, circumventing Marketplace, but somehow I suspect this is really only about SDK debugging tools - not exactly something you expect a non-developer (even a power user) to be prepared to tinker with.I'm pretty sure it will be jailbroken just like the iPhone was, so technical users can do what they want (as they always do).
Then I think you'll see a power user path a lot of people will be able to use.
What will be really interesting to see is who clamps on down jailbrake exploits more  - I think it will be Microsoft, eager to have this platform be as utterly secure as they can make it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593726</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 Immobile</title>
	<author>radish</author>
	<datestamp>1269363840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iPhone wasn't just first to market, it <i>created</i> the market. Given that it's still selling better than any of the competition I'd say that MS would be pretty happy to get anywhere near the level of success as Apple. It's hardly surprising they're not doing anything very differently...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iPhone was n't just first to market , it created the market .
Given that it 's still selling better than any of the competition I 'd say that MS would be pretty happy to get anywhere near the level of success as Apple .
It 's hardly surprising they 're not doing anything very differently.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPhone wasn't just first to market, it created the market.
Given that it's still selling better than any of the competition I'd say that MS would be pretty happy to get anywhere near the level of success as Apple.
It's hardly surprising they're not doing anything very differently...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593216</id>
	<title>This is both New and Surprising!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269359460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So a development team locks itself into a Microsoft platform and SDK, then gets screwed over.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So a development team locks itself into a Microsoft platform and SDK , then gets screwed over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So a development team locks itself into a Microsoft platform and SDK, then gets screwed over.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31594000</id>
	<title>What gives Microsoft the right</title>
	<author>Billly Gates</author>
	<datestamp>1269366000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I buy the phone then why in hell can't I use it.</p><p>Did I only buy a "right to use it"? This is redicolous and should be illegal. I own the hardware and the mega telecom companies are making sure people rent.</p><p>Imagine if we only purchased rights to use things instead of owned them? No homes, products, food, or healthcare.  Everything just rented to make some person some more money.</p><p>Screw you and I hope Android is better at this</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I buy the phone then why in hell ca n't I use it.Did I only buy a " right to use it " ?
This is redicolous and should be illegal .
I own the hardware and the mega telecom companies are making sure people rent.Imagine if we only purchased rights to use things instead of owned them ?
No homes , products , food , or healthcare .
Everything just rented to make some person some more money.Screw you and I hope Android is better at this</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I buy the phone then why in hell can't I use it.Did I only buy a "right to use it"?
This is redicolous and should be illegal.
I own the hardware and the mega telecom companies are making sure people rent.Imagine if we only purchased rights to use things instead of owned them?
No homes, products, food, or healthcare.
Everything just rented to make some person some more money.Screw you and I hope Android is better at this</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31596230</id>
	<title>How much did Google pay Microsoft?</title>
	<author>ripnet</author>
	<datestamp>1269438060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How much did Google pay microsoft to kill Windows Mobile??? this is gonna be a huge boost to Android, now that MS have squandered the key advantage of WinMob (complete openness, effectively root access out of the box, existing app base)?

It seems like MS are just starting over, when the game has finished. I love my Motorola Milestone, and am having loads of fun with the Android SDK (still unsure if Eclippse is better than Visual Studio - interesting approach compiling code as you go along, instead of in a build phase)

The App store idea only works if you can get loads of apps on it. That applies to iPod, Android and erm, thats it. I would be suprised if even palm can survive against iPod and android.

g</htmltext>
<tokenext>How much did Google pay microsoft to kill Windows Mobile ? ? ?
this is gon na be a huge boost to Android , now that MS have squandered the key advantage of WinMob ( complete openness , effectively root access out of the box , existing app base ) ?
It seems like MS are just starting over , when the game has finished .
I love my Motorola Milestone , and am having loads of fun with the Android SDK ( still unsure if Eclippse is better than Visual Studio - interesting approach compiling code as you go along , instead of in a build phase ) The App store idea only works if you can get loads of apps on it .
That applies to iPod , Android and erm , thats it .
I would be suprised if even palm can survive against iPod and android .
g</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much did Google pay microsoft to kill Windows Mobile???
this is gonna be a huge boost to Android, now that MS have squandered the key advantage of WinMob (complete openness, effectively root access out of the box, existing app base)?
It seems like MS are just starting over, when the game has finished.
I love my Motorola Milestone, and am having loads of fun with the Android SDK (still unsure if Eclippse is better than Visual Studio - interesting approach compiling code as you go along, instead of in a build phase)

The App store idea only works if you can get loads of apps on it.
That applies to iPod, Android and erm, thats it.
I would be suprised if even palm can survive against iPod and android.
g</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593268</id>
	<title>Re:Oh thats a shame...</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1269359880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems a lot of people had <a href="http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/197338.asp" title="seattlepi.com" rel="nofollow">that idea</a> [seattlepi.com].  The quarter ended this January, Microsoft dropped 4\% (19.7\% to 15.7\%).  This closely matches the 4.3\% (from 2.7\% to 7.1\%) that Google gained with Android.  Three more quarters of this trend before the W7 launch and they'll be entering a green field with nowhere to go but up.  If progress is delayed at all (when have we ever seen that from the WiMo team?) they'll have the advantage of a whole world market where nobody remembers how much their mobile products suck.  Maybe this is part of their evil plan to reboot their mobile brand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems a lot of people had that idea [ seattlepi.com ] .
The quarter ended this January , Microsoft dropped 4 \ % ( 19.7 \ % to 15.7 \ % ) .
This closely matches the 4.3 \ % ( from 2.7 \ % to 7.1 \ % ) that Google gained with Android .
Three more quarters of this trend before the W7 launch and they 'll be entering a green field with nowhere to go but up .
If progress is delayed at all ( when have we ever seen that from the WiMo team ?
) they 'll have the advantage of a whole world market where nobody remembers how much their mobile products suck .
Maybe this is part of their evil plan to reboot their mobile brand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems a lot of people had that idea [seattlepi.com].
The quarter ended this January, Microsoft dropped 4\% (19.7\% to 15.7\%).
This closely matches the 4.3\% (from 2.7\% to 7.1\%) that Google gained with Android.
Three more quarters of this trend before the W7 launch and they'll be entering a green field with nowhere to go but up.
If progress is delayed at all (when have we ever seen that from the WiMo team?
) they'll have the advantage of a whole world market where nobody remembers how much their mobile products suck.
Maybe this is part of their evil plan to reboot their mobile brand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592600</id>
	<title>ROFL!</title>
	<author>jmorris42</author>
	<datestamp>1269355080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good grief, just how stupid can these guys get!</p><p>Just about the ONLY nice thing people say about Windows on a phone is that it is an open platform for all the corporate junk.  Now it is a closed clone of the iPhone complete with app store.  All the evil with none of the hipster kewl artsy metrosexual buzz.</p><p>Without a monopoly Microsoft couldn't sell icewater in hell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good grief , just how stupid can these guys get ! Just about the ONLY nice thing people say about Windows on a phone is that it is an open platform for all the corporate junk .
Now it is a closed clone of the iPhone complete with app store .
All the evil with none of the hipster kewl artsy metrosexual buzz.Without a monopoly Microsoft could n't sell icewater in hell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good grief, just how stupid can these guys get!Just about the ONLY nice thing people say about Windows on a phone is that it is an open platform for all the corporate junk.
Now it is a closed clone of the iPhone complete with app store.
All the evil with none of the hipster kewl artsy metrosexual buzz.Without a monopoly Microsoft couldn't sell icewater in hell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31594308</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269369120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not needed. XNA is a C# SDK -&gt; quite fast already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not needed .
XNA is a C # SDK - &gt; quite fast already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not needed.
XNA is a C# SDK -&gt; quite fast already.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593062</id>
	<title>How sure are you?  Microsoft says otherwise.</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1269358320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Microsoft will not have a closed app store model for winmo7 (although they will have their own app store). You can get an SDK and emulator right now - for free - and make XNA/Silverlight apps that can be downloaded to a winmo7 phone.</i></p><p><a href="http://www.mobilemag.com/2010/03/16/windows-phone-7-developers-get-toolkit-app-store-closed-like-itunes/" title="mobilemag.com" rel="nofollow">Oh really?</a> [mobilemag.com]</p><p><b>Like Apple and Google, Microsoft has also thrown their hat into the ring and launched an application store called Windows Phone Marketplace. The marketplace won't be empty at launch because Microsoft has a list of impressive development partners such as EA, Foursquare, Namco and Sling to name just a few.  But it will indeed be a closed system, similar to Apple's iTunes App store, <i>being the only vehicle where the end-user can download software to their smartphone.</i> </b></p><p><a href="http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/confirmed-marketplace-will-be-the-only-way-to-get-apps-on-windo/" title="engadget.com" rel="nofollow">Am I sure?  Pretty sure.</a> [engadget.com]</p><p><b>Though there's no way for end users to purchase and install apps outside of the Marketplace, Microsoft is naturally working on a solution for trialling apps on a limited number of devices; if we had to guess, it'll be something akin to Apple's ad hoc installation mode, but Charlie Kindel has said that it won't be available in the first release of the platform. For now, the only way to do it is to unlock devices one at a time through the developer portal, and Microsoft isn't talking about how many devices you'll be able to unlock on an account right now.</b></p><p>The iPhone is totally open as well if you count the ability to develop whatever you like and deploy it - it just costs a little more, but once you have paid you can put anything on the phone.</p><p><i>If you want to be an good Apple fan you should try not to spout nonsense - your ignorance makes Steve look bad.</i></p><p>The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thing, is how often the Mac people end up knowing so much more about both platforms than the people who only really know Windows.  And so the trend continues it would seem.</p><p>If you have other details illustrating the degree of openness for Windows Mobile Series 7 that you claim, by all means share them with the group.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft will not have a closed app store model for winmo7 ( although they will have their own app store ) .
You can get an SDK and emulator right now - for free - and make XNA/Silverlight apps that can be downloaded to a winmo7 phone.Oh really ?
[ mobilemag.com ] Like Apple and Google , Microsoft has also thrown their hat into the ring and launched an application store called Windows Phone Marketplace .
The marketplace wo n't be empty at launch because Microsoft has a list of impressive development partners such as EA , Foursquare , Namco and Sling to name just a few .
But it will indeed be a closed system , similar to Apple 's iTunes App store , being the only vehicle where the end-user can download software to their smartphone .
Am I sure ?
Pretty sure .
[ engadget.com ] Though there 's no way for end users to purchase and install apps outside of the Marketplace , Microsoft is naturally working on a solution for trialling apps on a limited number of devices ; if we had to guess , it 'll be something akin to Apple 's ad hoc installation mode , but Charlie Kindel has said that it wo n't be available in the first release of the platform .
For now , the only way to do it is to unlock devices one at a time through the developer portal , and Microsoft is n't talking about how many devices you 'll be able to unlock on an account right now.The iPhone is totally open as well if you count the ability to develop whatever you like and deploy it - it just costs a little more , but once you have paid you can put anything on the phone.If you want to be an good Apple fan you should try not to spout nonsense - your ignorance makes Steve look bad.The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thing , is how often the Mac people end up knowing so much more about both platforms than the people who only really know Windows .
And so the trend continues it would seem.If you have other details illustrating the degree of openness for Windows Mobile Series 7 that you claim , by all means share them with the group .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft will not have a closed app store model for winmo7 (although they will have their own app store).
You can get an SDK and emulator right now - for free - and make XNA/Silverlight apps that can be downloaded to a winmo7 phone.Oh really?
[mobilemag.com]Like Apple and Google, Microsoft has also thrown their hat into the ring and launched an application store called Windows Phone Marketplace.
The marketplace won't be empty at launch because Microsoft has a list of impressive development partners such as EA, Foursquare, Namco and Sling to name just a few.
But it will indeed be a closed system, similar to Apple's iTunes App store, being the only vehicle where the end-user can download software to their smartphone.
Am I sure?
Pretty sure.
[engadget.com]Though there's no way for end users to purchase and install apps outside of the Marketplace, Microsoft is naturally working on a solution for trialling apps on a limited number of devices; if we had to guess, it'll be something akin to Apple's ad hoc installation mode, but Charlie Kindel has said that it won't be available in the first release of the platform.
For now, the only way to do it is to unlock devices one at a time through the developer portal, and Microsoft isn't talking about how many devices you'll be able to unlock on an account right now.The iPhone is totally open as well if you count the ability to develop whatever you like and deploy it - it just costs a little more, but once you have paid you can put anything on the phone.If you want to be an good Apple fan you should try not to spout nonsense - your ignorance makes Steve look bad.The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thing, is how often the Mac people end up knowing so much more about both platforms than the people who only really know Windows.
And so the trend continues it would seem.If you have other details illustrating the degree of openness for Windows Mobile Series 7 that you claim, by all means share them with the group.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31594448</id>
	<title>Re:ROFL!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269370920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nah, in hell, Microsoft owns the icewater monopoly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah , in hell , Microsoft owns the icewater monopoly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah, in hell, Microsoft owns the icewater monopoly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31594252</id>
	<title>Re:Preemptive Strike</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1269368580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's a good point, although they seem very keen to protect "the experience" so I tend to think they will act similarly to things that would replace core functions...</p> </div><p>The very limitation of only being able to use XNA/Silverlight already imposes significant barriers to that extent - as we see from this very story. I don't think any special policies are even needed with such limitations in place.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a good point , although they seem very keen to protect " the experience " so I tend to think they will act similarly to things that would replace core functions... The very limitation of only being able to use XNA/Silverlight already imposes significant barriers to that extent - as we see from this very story .
I do n't think any special policies are even needed with such limitations in place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a good point, although they seem very keen to protect "the experience" so I tend to think they will act similarly to things that would replace core functions... The very limitation of only being able to use XNA/Silverlight already imposes significant barriers to that extent - as we see from this very story.
I don't think any special policies are even needed with such limitations in place.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592634</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft is at it again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269355260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So that millions that bought their first Apple product with the iPhone are immediately cult members? The only folks that sound like a cult are also always the first to start slinging the word 'cult' and 'fanboi'. Without fail, they are Windows users.</p><p>If your boss "LOVES" his phone, that's more disturbing that a typical cult member to my mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So that millions that bought their first Apple product with the iPhone are immediately cult members ?
The only folks that sound like a cult are also always the first to start slinging the word 'cult ' and 'fanboi' .
Without fail , they are Windows users.If your boss " LOVES " his phone , that 's more disturbing that a typical cult member to my mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So that millions that bought their first Apple product with the iPhone are immediately cult members?
The only folks that sound like a cult are also always the first to start slinging the word 'cult' and 'fanboi'.
Without fail, they are Windows users.If your boss "LOVES" his phone, that's more disturbing that a typical cult member to my mind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592692</id>
	<title>Re:YUO FAiL IT</title>
	<author>Cryolithic</author>
	<datestamp>1269355620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31594382</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269369840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe the problem isn't lack of C, but the presence of Java*<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the problem is n't lack of C , but the presence of Java * : p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the problem isn't lack of C, but the presence of Java* :p</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592306</id>
	<title>Re:Meh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269353160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually you should have said "fuck you very much, Microsoft, and fuck me very much for buying a windows mobile"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually you should have said " fuck you very much , Microsoft , and fuck me very much for buying a windows mobile "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually you should have said "fuck you very much, Microsoft, and fuck me very much for buying a windows mobile"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592988</id>
	<title>Why not?  It's proven to work.</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1269357660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I wonder, will the Apple fanboys defend Microsoft for this?</i></p><p>I think they did it because they see it works for Apple, and they are tired of being the industry whipping boy for security flaws in a platform.  And honestly, who can blame them?  They have formed a safe vantage point from which they will probably not be the worst platform for mobile security going forward.</p><p>I got the vibe the 7 app store was going to be closed right after they announced Windows 7 Series Mobile (any misordering of words there is not disrespect, I just have given up remembering the proper order), just because of how they framed it...</p><p>I think the closed app store model is a good idea that has helped Apple avoid some problems on the platform.  What I think is a much, much less good idea is not offering the native SDK out of the chute - did they learn nothing from Palm of all people?  And as I said, I think they have made a terrible mistake in not re-courting C# developers to come back into the fold.  I'm sure people will jailbreak the 7 phones just like the iPhones, and we'll see some interesting stuff from that.</p><p>As far as looking for people to defend Microsoft I'll do you one better - I will even defend what they are doing with cut and paste (as in not having it).  I still think it's possible to do some magic with data flows that might approximate cut &amp; paste for most people and be an interesting alternative, so I am interested to see what they are doing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder , will the Apple fanboys defend Microsoft for this ? I think they did it because they see it works for Apple , and they are tired of being the industry whipping boy for security flaws in a platform .
And honestly , who can blame them ?
They have formed a safe vantage point from which they will probably not be the worst platform for mobile security going forward.I got the vibe the 7 app store was going to be closed right after they announced Windows 7 Series Mobile ( any misordering of words there is not disrespect , I just have given up remembering the proper order ) , just because of how they framed it...I think the closed app store model is a good idea that has helped Apple avoid some problems on the platform .
What I think is a much , much less good idea is not offering the native SDK out of the chute - did they learn nothing from Palm of all people ?
And as I said , I think they have made a terrible mistake in not re-courting C # developers to come back into the fold .
I 'm sure people will jailbreak the 7 phones just like the iPhones , and we 'll see some interesting stuff from that.As far as looking for people to defend Microsoft I 'll do you one better - I will even defend what they are doing with cut and paste ( as in not having it ) .
I still think it 's possible to do some magic with data flows that might approximate cut &amp; paste for most people and be an interesting alternative , so I am interested to see what they are doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder, will the Apple fanboys defend Microsoft for this?I think they did it because they see it works for Apple, and they are tired of being the industry whipping boy for security flaws in a platform.
And honestly, who can blame them?
They have formed a safe vantage point from which they will probably not be the worst platform for mobile security going forward.I got the vibe the 7 app store was going to be closed right after they announced Windows 7 Series Mobile (any misordering of words there is not disrespect, I just have given up remembering the proper order), just because of how they framed it...I think the closed app store model is a good idea that has helped Apple avoid some problems on the platform.
What I think is a much, much less good idea is not offering the native SDK out of the chute - did they learn nothing from Palm of all people?
And as I said, I think they have made a terrible mistake in not re-courting C# developers to come back into the fold.
I'm sure people will jailbreak the 7 phones just like the iPhones, and we'll see some interesting stuff from that.As far as looking for people to defend Microsoft I'll do you one better - I will even defend what they are doing with cut and paste (as in not having it).
I still think it's possible to do some magic with data flows that might approximate cut &amp; paste for most people and be an interesting alternative, so I am interested to see what they are doing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31595898</id>
	<title>MICROSOFT IS EVIL!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269436080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>MICROSOFT IS EVIL!!!<br>
MICROSOFT IS EVIL!!!<br>
MICROSOFT IS EVIL!!!<br>
Oh wait, Apple has does similar things and we KNOW they aren't evil. Oh, to hell with it.<br>
MICROSOFT IS EVIL!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>MICROSOFT IS EVIL ! ! !
MICROSOFT IS EVIL ! ! !
MICROSOFT IS EVIL ! ! !
Oh wait , Apple has does similar things and we KNOW they are n't evil .
Oh , to hell with it .
MICROSOFT IS EVIL ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MICROSOFT IS EVIL!!!
MICROSOFT IS EVIL!!!
MICROSOFT IS EVIL!!!
Oh wait, Apple has does similar things and we KNOW they aren't evil.
Oh, to hell with it.
MICROSOFT IS EVIL!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592328</id>
	<title>So basically</title>
	<author>Voyager529</author>
	<datestamp>1269353340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft is going to create a need for a WinPhone Dev Team to figure out how to jailbreak Windows Mobile phones?</p><p>I mean seriously, it's like they're taking everything that I like about owning a WinMo phone and throwing it away. I *like* having a file browser on my phone. I *like* having native applications. I *like* HTC's SenseUI. I *like* being able to use my phone as USB mass storage. I *like* being able to HardSPL my phone and use a custom ROM from HTCpedia or xda-developers. I *like* being able to tether my phone using a standard data plan. I *like* Opera Mobile. These are all features that WinMo had and the iPhone didn't. Between these and the dropped calls (oh, and iTunes), I ditched my iPhone and couldn't be happier. Now they're taking away even the possibility of all of these features? Sure, I could completely understand hiding the file browser by default. I could understand not allowing HTC to ship SenseUI enabled by default. I could understand wanting to streamline the process and moving away from scouring the internet for CAB files and shifting toward a more standardized development process. But seriously Microsoft, don't try to copy Apple's shortcomings at the expense of the very reasons why I chose a WinMo phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is going to create a need for a WinPhone Dev Team to figure out how to jailbreak Windows Mobile phones ? I mean seriously , it 's like they 're taking everything that I like about owning a WinMo phone and throwing it away .
I * like * having a file browser on my phone .
I * like * having native applications .
I * like * HTC 's SenseUI .
I * like * being able to use my phone as USB mass storage .
I * like * being able to HardSPL my phone and use a custom ROM from HTCpedia or xda-developers .
I * like * being able to tether my phone using a standard data plan .
I * like * Opera Mobile .
These are all features that WinMo had and the iPhone did n't .
Between these and the dropped calls ( oh , and iTunes ) , I ditched my iPhone and could n't be happier .
Now they 're taking away even the possibility of all of these features ?
Sure , I could completely understand hiding the file browser by default .
I could understand not allowing HTC to ship SenseUI enabled by default .
I could understand wanting to streamline the process and moving away from scouring the internet for CAB files and shifting toward a more standardized development process .
But seriously Microsoft , do n't try to copy Apple 's shortcomings at the expense of the very reasons why I chose a WinMo phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft is going to create a need for a WinPhone Dev Team to figure out how to jailbreak Windows Mobile phones?I mean seriously, it's like they're taking everything that I like about owning a WinMo phone and throwing it away.
I *like* having a file browser on my phone.
I *like* having native applications.
I *like* HTC's SenseUI.
I *like* being able to use my phone as USB mass storage.
I *like* being able to HardSPL my phone and use a custom ROM from HTCpedia or xda-developers.
I *like* being able to tether my phone using a standard data plan.
I *like* Opera Mobile.
These are all features that WinMo had and the iPhone didn't.
Between these and the dropped calls (oh, and iTunes), I ditched my iPhone and couldn't be happier.
Now they're taking away even the possibility of all of these features?
Sure, I could completely understand hiding the file browser by default.
I could understand not allowing HTC to ship SenseUI enabled by default.
I could understand wanting to streamline the process and moving away from scouring the internet for CAB files and shifting toward a more standardized development process.
But seriously Microsoft, don't try to copy Apple's shortcomings at the expense of the very reasons why I chose a WinMo phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592744</id>
	<title>Windows CE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269355920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure why everyone's going ape shit here.  I've actually looked at the API.  Yes it's massively changed, it's very xaml and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net oriented and they are obviously trying to throw the Win32/CE stuff out the door, but it's still very powerful from what I had time to test in a week, many options and I do not see them locking applications out.</p><p>Other than that the interface and rule changes we can only have Apple thank to thank  for.  Let's just hope the one button mouse doesn't catches on next.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure why everyone 's going ape shit here .
I 've actually looked at the API .
Yes it 's massively changed , it 's very xaml and .net oriented and they are obviously trying to throw the Win32/CE stuff out the door , but it 's still very powerful from what I had time to test in a week , many options and I do not see them locking applications out.Other than that the interface and rule changes we can only have Apple thank to thank for .
Let 's just hope the one button mouse does n't catches on next .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure why everyone's going ape shit here.
I've actually looked at the API.
Yes it's massively changed, it's very xaml and .net oriented and they are obviously trying to throw the Win32/CE stuff out the door, but it's still very powerful from what I had time to test in a week, many options and I do not see them locking applications out.Other than that the interface and rule changes we can only have Apple thank to thank  for.
Let's just hope the one button mouse doesn't catches on next.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31594456</id>
	<title>Re:ROFL!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269371040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't buy icewater in hell.  It would all evaporate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't buy icewater in hell .
It would all evaporate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't buy icewater in hell.
It would all evaporate.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592600</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593294</id>
	<title>WiMo, Microsoft's second OS/2</title>
	<author>koko</author>
	<datestamp>1269360060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait -- then MS's OS/3?</p><p>And it's not that bad, really, it's not.  It's not popular in the west; I could count the WiMos I've come across the past few years.  Head East and it's still popular.</p><p>Skype?  Gone.  FF?  Gone.  Is Opera next?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait -- then MS 's OS/3 ? And it 's not that bad , really , it 's not .
It 's not popular in the west ; I could count the WiMos I 've come across the past few years .
Head East and it 's still popular.Skype ?
Gone. FF ?
Gone. Is Opera next ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait -- then MS's OS/3?And it's not that bad, really, it's not.
It's not popular in the west; I could count the WiMos I've come across the past few years.
Head East and it's still popular.Skype?
Gone.  FF?
Gone.  Is Opera next?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31596414</id>
	<title>Re:ROFL!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269439380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>All the evil with none of the hipster kewl artsy metrosexual buzz.</p></div><p>Yeah, but the WinMo phone will come in BROWN. Take *that*, Apple!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All the evil with none of the hipster kewl artsy metrosexual buzz.Yeah , but the WinMo phone will come in BROWN .
Take * that * , Apple !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the evil with none of the hipster kewl artsy metrosexual buzz.Yeah, but the WinMo phone will come in BROWN.
Take *that*, Apple!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592600</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592436</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>pushing-robot</author>
	<datestamp>1269354240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking of native apps, it's kind of funny how every new smartphone repeats this:</p><p>Apple, 2007:  Javascript is good enough!<br>Apple, 2008:  Okay, okay, here's a C SDK.</p><p>Google, 2008:  Java is good enough!<br>Google, 2009:  Okay, okay, here's a C SDK.</p><p>Palm, 2009:  Javascript is good enough!<br>Palm, 2010:  Okay, okay, here's a C SDK.</p><p>Microsoft, 2010:  Silverlight and Flash are good enough!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking of native apps , it 's kind of funny how every new smartphone repeats this : Apple , 2007 : Javascript is good enough ! Apple , 2008 : Okay , okay , here 's a C SDK.Google , 2008 : Java is good enough ! Google , 2009 : Okay , okay , here 's a C SDK.Palm , 2009 : Javascript is good enough ! Palm , 2010 : Okay , okay , here 's a C SDK.Microsoft , 2010 : Silverlight and Flash are good enough !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking of native apps, it's kind of funny how every new smartphone repeats this:Apple, 2007:  Javascript is good enough!Apple, 2008:  Okay, okay, here's a C SDK.Google, 2008:  Java is good enough!Google, 2009:  Okay, okay, here's a C SDK.Palm, 2009:  Javascript is good enough!Palm, 2010:  Okay, okay, here's a C SDK.Microsoft, 2010:  Silverlight and Flash are good enough!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593256</id>
	<title>Re:Shame on me, RTFA.</title>
	<author>im\_thatoneguy</author>
	<datestamp>1269359820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Their priorities perfectly line up with their users.  By forcing everything to run in managed space they can more easily develop a stable predictable environment.   Once you open up core functionality then you get blue-screens of death and their ilk.</p><p>I'm sure we'll eventually get a full SDK.  But the majority of apps can run fine as a managed application--the exception being something like a web browser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Their priorities perfectly line up with their users .
By forcing everything to run in managed space they can more easily develop a stable predictable environment .
Once you open up core functionality then you get blue-screens of death and their ilk.I 'm sure we 'll eventually get a full SDK .
But the majority of apps can run fine as a managed application--the exception being something like a web browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Their priorities perfectly line up with their users.
By forcing everything to run in managed space they can more easily develop a stable predictable environment.
Once you open up core functionality then you get blue-screens of death and their ilk.I'm sure we'll eventually get a full SDK.
But the majority of apps can run fine as a managed application--the exception being something like a web browser.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592360</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31595326</id>
	<title>Re:ROFL!</title>
	<author>Bearhouse</author>
	<datestamp>1269430020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> All the evil with none of the hipster kewl artsy metrosexual buzz.</p></div><p>Fantastic summary that made me smile; thanks!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All the evil with none of the hipster kewl artsy metrosexual buzz.Fantastic summary that made me smile ; thanks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> All the evil with none of the hipster kewl artsy metrosexual buzz.Fantastic summary that made me smile; thanks!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592600</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592710</id>
	<title>Re:Preemptive Strike</title>
	<author>IainCartwright</author>
	<datestamp>1269355800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft will not have a closed app store model for winmo7 (although they will have their own app store). You can get an SDK and emulator right now - for free - and make XNA/Silverlight apps that can be downloaded to a winmo7 phone.<br> <br> If you want to be an good Apple fan you should try not to spout nonsense - your ignorance makes Steve look bad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft will not have a closed app store model for winmo7 ( although they will have their own app store ) .
You can get an SDK and emulator right now - for free - and make XNA/Silverlight apps that can be downloaded to a winmo7 phone .
If you want to be an good Apple fan you should try not to spout nonsense - your ignorance makes Steve look bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft will not have a closed app store model for winmo7 (although they will have their own app store).
You can get an SDK and emulator right now - for free - and make XNA/Silverlight apps that can be downloaded to a winmo7 phone.
If you want to be an good Apple fan you should try not to spout nonsense - your ignorance makes Steve look bad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31607846</id>
	<title>This should be amusing</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1269549900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The Mac users are so singularly clueless about what a computer does and how it does it, it makes me cringe.</i></p><p>It would make me cringe too except I realize not everyone cares to know those details. I don't see how anyone can phrase it as a negative that the platform allows that to be the case for real world use.</p><p>The simple fact is though that a LOT more mac people will have had interaction with WIndows and the Mac, than Windows people will have had with Macs. Are you denying this blisteringly obvious fact of life?  Anecdotes are all well and good but what matters is the whole.  And on the whole, simply way more Mac users know about both platforms than Windows users do because is real life most Mac users still have to interact with Windows systems.</p><p>P.S. - I'd bet that at least two of the forty Mac users actually know UNIX systems better than you do, but they are just keeping low.</p><p><i>They said it's because the OS doesn't have a cursor so roll-over events won't work, which is so utterly pathetically wrong, it's just sad</i></p><p>Now this should be amusing!  Please do tell us, oh genius sysadmin, how you do rollovers when pressing the screen is also the equivalent of mouse down?  Rollovers are, by definition, non-interactive and reveal the information about the active state of an item on screen.  Only you can't do that when a press means to interact...</p><p>I can tell there's a reason why you're a sysadmin and I'm a developer.  Before you complain about "loud mouth know-it-alls" you should proceed to look in the mirror before you proceed to demonstrate the term for all and sundry.</p><p>It's funny that a throwaway line directed at an embarrassingly ill-informed Microsoft proponent got probably otherwise rational people so riled up that they proceed to post the most absurd things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Mac users are so singularly clueless about what a computer does and how it does it , it makes me cringe.It would make me cringe too except I realize not everyone cares to know those details .
I do n't see how anyone can phrase it as a negative that the platform allows that to be the case for real world use.The simple fact is though that a LOT more mac people will have had interaction with WIndows and the Mac , than Windows people will have had with Macs .
Are you denying this blisteringly obvious fact of life ?
Anecdotes are all well and good but what matters is the whole .
And on the whole , simply way more Mac users know about both platforms than Windows users do because is real life most Mac users still have to interact with Windows systems.P.S .
- I 'd bet that at least two of the forty Mac users actually know UNIX systems better than you do , but they are just keeping low.They said it 's because the OS does n't have a cursor so roll-over events wo n't work , which is so utterly pathetically wrong , it 's just sadNow this should be amusing !
Please do tell us , oh genius sysadmin , how you do rollovers when pressing the screen is also the equivalent of mouse down ?
Rollovers are , by definition , non-interactive and reveal the information about the active state of an item on screen .
Only you ca n't do that when a press means to interact...I can tell there 's a reason why you 're a sysadmin and I 'm a developer .
Before you complain about " loud mouth know-it-alls " you should proceed to look in the mirror before you proceed to demonstrate the term for all and sundry.It 's funny that a throwaway line directed at an embarrassingly ill-informed Microsoft proponent got probably otherwise rational people so riled up that they proceed to post the most absurd things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Mac users are so singularly clueless about what a computer does and how it does it, it makes me cringe.It would make me cringe too except I realize not everyone cares to know those details.
I don't see how anyone can phrase it as a negative that the platform allows that to be the case for real world use.The simple fact is though that a LOT more mac people will have had interaction with WIndows and the Mac, than Windows people will have had with Macs.
Are you denying this blisteringly obvious fact of life?
Anecdotes are all well and good but what matters is the whole.
And on the whole, simply way more Mac users know about both platforms than Windows users do because is real life most Mac users still have to interact with Windows systems.P.S.
- I'd bet that at least two of the forty Mac users actually know UNIX systems better than you do, but they are just keeping low.They said it's because the OS doesn't have a cursor so roll-over events won't work, which is so utterly pathetically wrong, it's just sadNow this should be amusing!
Please do tell us, oh genius sysadmin, how you do rollovers when pressing the screen is also the equivalent of mouse down?
Rollovers are, by definition, non-interactive and reveal the information about the active state of an item on screen.
Only you can't do that when a press means to interact...I can tell there's a reason why you're a sysadmin and I'm a developer.
Before you complain about "loud mouth know-it-alls" you should proceed to look in the mirror before you proceed to demonstrate the term for all and sundry.It's funny that a throwaway line directed at an embarrassingly ill-informed Microsoft proponent got probably otherwise rational people so riled up that they proceed to post the most absurd things.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31595274</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592170</id>
	<title>The real reason...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269352380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real reason is because nobody wants to develop to a platform in its death throes.  Blackberries, Droids, and iPhones own the market of the so-called 'smartphones' today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real reason is because nobody wants to develop to a platform in its death throes .
Blackberries , Droids , and iPhones own the market of the so-called 'smartphones ' today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real reason is because nobody wants to develop to a platform in its death throes.
Blackberries, Droids, and iPhones own the market of the so-called 'smartphones' today.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31594348</id>
	<title>Re:Preemptive Strike</title>
	<author>RightSaidFred99</author>
	<datestamp>1269369540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you have a source for this?  All I see are vague third party ramblings that WinMo7 will be closed.</p><p>If it is, and if it's like Apple's store then Microsoft might as well not even bother, they're doomed.  I love MS development tools and would be tempted to look at a Windows 7 Mobile phone, but not if it's closed to installing apps from outside the app store.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you have a source for this ?
All I see are vague third party ramblings that WinMo7 will be closed.If it is , and if it 's like Apple 's store then Microsoft might as well not even bother , they 're doomed .
I love MS development tools and would be tempted to look at a Windows 7 Mobile phone , but not if it 's closed to installing apps from outside the app store .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you have a source for this?
All I see are vague third party ramblings that WinMo7 will be closed.If it is, and if it's like Apple's store then Microsoft might as well not even bother, they're doomed.
I love MS development tools and would be tempted to look at a Windows 7 Mobile phone, but not if it's closed to installing apps from outside the app store.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592214</id>
	<title>Meh.</title>
	<author>Pojut</author>
	<datestamp>1269352560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On behalf of myself and my HTC Ozone, fuck you very much, Mozilla.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On behalf of myself and my HTC Ozone , fuck you very much , Mozilla .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On behalf of myself and my HTC Ozone, fuck you very much, Mozilla.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592282</id>
	<title>YUO FAiL IT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269352980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>halt. Even Emacs and M1chael Smith SLING you can Who seel another progress. In 1992,</htmltext>
<tokenext>halt .
Even Emacs and M1chael Smith SLING you can Who seel another progress .
In 1992,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>halt.
Even Emacs and M1chael Smith SLING you can Who seel another progress.
In 1992,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592840</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>Colonel Korn</author>
	<datestamp>1269356700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>I *like* having native applications.</p><p>I *like* HTC's SenseUI.</p><p>I *like* being able to use my phone as USB mass storage.</p><p>I *like* being able to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... use a custom ROM from HTCpedia or xda-developers.</p><p>I *like* being able to tether my phone using a standard data plan.</p><p>I *like* Opera Mobile.</p></div><p>Android welcomes you.</p></div><p>And me, too.  WinMo was a flawed platform with some really good flexibility that resulted in some great features not found in the iPhone.  Android started with a more solid platform and duplicated the nice aspects of WinMo.  WinMo7 (or whatever it's called) may quite possibly be as solid as Android/iPhone/WebOS at its core, but it's giving up the only advantages Microsoft has built in the mobile space.  iPhone is the most mature of the mobile platforms, WinMo7 looks essentially like a wannabe iPhone, WebOS is attached to a rapidly sinking ship, and Android is apparently the best of all worlds.  Come July I'm heading to Android.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I * like * having native applications.I * like * HTC 's SenseUI.I * like * being able to use my phone as USB mass storage.I * like * being able to ... use a custom ROM from HTCpedia or xda-developers.I * like * being able to tether my phone using a standard data plan.I * like * Opera Mobile.Android welcomes you.And me , too .
WinMo was a flawed platform with some really good flexibility that resulted in some great features not found in the iPhone .
Android started with a more solid platform and duplicated the nice aspects of WinMo .
WinMo7 ( or whatever it 's called ) may quite possibly be as solid as Android/iPhone/WebOS at its core , but it 's giving up the only advantages Microsoft has built in the mobile space .
iPhone is the most mature of the mobile platforms , WinMo7 looks essentially like a wannabe iPhone , WebOS is attached to a rapidly sinking ship , and Android is apparently the best of all worlds .
Come July I 'm heading to Android .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I *like* having native applications.I *like* HTC's SenseUI.I *like* being able to use my phone as USB mass storage.I *like* being able to ... use a custom ROM from HTCpedia or xda-developers.I *like* being able to tether my phone using a standard data plan.I *like* Opera Mobile.Android welcomes you.And me, too.
WinMo was a flawed platform with some really good flexibility that resulted in some great features not found in the iPhone.
Android started with a more solid platform and duplicated the nice aspects of WinMo.
WinMo7 (or whatever it's called) may quite possibly be as solid as Android/iPhone/WebOS at its core, but it's giving up the only advantages Microsoft has built in the mobile space.
iPhone is the most mature of the mobile platforms, WinMo7 looks essentially like a wannabe iPhone, WebOS is attached to a rapidly sinking ship, and Android is apparently the best of all worlds.
Come July I'm heading to Android.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593058</id>
	<title>Win 7 will probably kill Windows on mobile</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269358260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Without getting into a lot of detail, TFA is correct.  For those of us that bet on WinMo as the 'real developer's platform' alternative (a.k.a. native SDK) now that Palm's gone, the Win Phone 7 announcement is a colossal fail.  Win Phone 7 manages to copy all the <i>worst</i> of the iPhone, and band-aids it with an awesome DirectX port.  But it's a broken platform, just like the iPhone.
</p><p>
The Win 7 announcement was like flipping a switch for us.  We went from "betting the farm" to "well, they're dead now" basically overnight.  Win Phone 7 will probably be the best gaming phone ever built.  Awesome, if you make games...
</p><p>
It's really a classic MS moment.  They brought some amazing new stuff to the table.  And then completely f^\%ked it up.  Deliberately throwing away compatibility because some designer told programmers how computers should work.  Sigh.  Welcome to the new church.  How long did the Inquisition run before people figured it out?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without getting into a lot of detail , TFA is correct .
For those of us that bet on WinMo as the 'real developer 's platform ' alternative ( a.k.a .
native SDK ) now that Palm 's gone , the Win Phone 7 announcement is a colossal fail .
Win Phone 7 manages to copy all the worst of the iPhone , and band-aids it with an awesome DirectX port .
But it 's a broken platform , just like the iPhone .
The Win 7 announcement was like flipping a switch for us .
We went from " betting the farm " to " well , they 're dead now " basically overnight .
Win Phone 7 will probably be the best gaming phone ever built .
Awesome , if you make games.. . It 's really a classic MS moment .
They brought some amazing new stuff to the table .
And then completely f ^ \ % ked it up .
Deliberately throwing away compatibility because some designer told programmers how computers should work .
Sigh. Welcome to the new church .
How long did the Inquisition run before people figured it out ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Without getting into a lot of detail, TFA is correct.
For those of us that bet on WinMo as the 'real developer's platform' alternative (a.k.a.
native SDK) now that Palm's gone, the Win Phone 7 announcement is a colossal fail.
Win Phone 7 manages to copy all the worst of the iPhone, and band-aids it with an awesome DirectX port.
But it's a broken platform, just like the iPhone.
The Win 7 announcement was like flipping a switch for us.
We went from "betting the farm" to "well, they're dead now" basically overnight.
Win Phone 7 will probably be the best gaming phone ever built.
Awesome, if you make games...

It's really a classic MS moment.
They brought some amazing new stuff to the table.
And then completely f^\%ked it up.
Deliberately throwing away compatibility because some designer told programmers how computers should work.
Sigh.  Welcome to the new church.
How long did the Inquisition run before people figured it out?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31598032</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>NJRoadfan</author>
	<datestamp>1269447300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's because it's intentional, and more like:</p><p>Company: javascript/java/flash/silverlight are good enough for now, since we want to sell the devices while we have time to develop a native sdk!</p></div><p>Except they already have one.... its called<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Compact Framework. Yes so Windows Phone 7 will be a total rewrite. Wasn't the whole point of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET to have the ability to write one application and have it run on any machine with a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET CLI?</p><p>While it will break native apps that were written for the old WinCE libraries, they could just port<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET CF to 7. Someone could develop a runtime/VM for the older stuff if needed, kinda like StyleTap did for PalmOS apps.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because it 's intentional , and more like : Company : javascript/java/flash/silverlight are good enough for now , since we want to sell the devices while we have time to develop a native sdk ! Except they already have one.... its called .NET Compact Framework .
Yes so Windows Phone 7 will be a total rewrite .
Was n't the whole point of .NET to have the ability to write one application and have it run on any machine with a .NET CLI ? While it will break native apps that were written for the old WinCE libraries , they could just port .NET CF to 7 .
Someone could develop a runtime/VM for the older stuff if needed , kinda like StyleTap did for PalmOS apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because it's intentional, and more like:Company: javascript/java/flash/silverlight are good enough for now, since we want to sell the devices while we have time to develop a native sdk!Except they already have one.... its called .NET Compact Framework.
Yes so Windows Phone 7 will be a total rewrite.
Wasn't the whole point of .NET to have the ability to write one application and have it run on any machine with a .NET CLI?While it will break native apps that were written for the old WinCE libraries, they could just port .NET CF to 7.
Someone could develop a runtime/VM for the older stuff if needed, kinda like StyleTap did for PalmOS apps.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592094</id>
	<title>First Post</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269351780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This first post is for the glory of GNAA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This first post is for the glory of GNAA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This first post is for the glory of GNAA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31594338</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>freedumb2000</author>
	<datestamp>1269369420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't forget <a href="http://meego.com/" title="meego.com">http://meego.com/</a> [meego.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget http : //meego.com/ [ meego.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget http://meego.com/ [meego.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31608436</id>
	<title>As a Symbian user, I gotta ask a single question</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1269515460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without any "Nokia" hate, just based on technical facts, can someone really explain why Mozilla team ignores/always ignores Symbian platform? Especially after the entire thing became open source?</p><p>It is not like we are begging for it, we already have Opera Mobile 10 and numerous (ironically,one is a ff proxy) browsers to choose from. Is there a purely technical reason for ignoring Symbian especially after the doors shut to their faces by MS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without any " Nokia " hate , just based on technical facts , can someone really explain why Mozilla team ignores/always ignores Symbian platform ?
Especially after the entire thing became open source ? It is not like we are begging for it , we already have Opera Mobile 10 and numerous ( ironically,one is a ff proxy ) browsers to choose from .
Is there a purely technical reason for ignoring Symbian especially after the doors shut to their faces by MS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without any "Nokia" hate, just based on technical facts, can someone really explain why Mozilla team ignores/always ignores Symbian platform?
Especially after the entire thing became open source?It is not like we are begging for it, we already have Opera Mobile 10 and numerous (ironically,one is a ff proxy) browsers to choose from.
Is there a purely technical reason for ignoring Symbian especially after the doors shut to their faces by MS?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592538</id>
	<title>Re:Preemptive Strike</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269354660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Given that Microsoft has a closed app store model for Windows 7 (just like the iPhone) the chances are good Microsoft would not allow Mozilla to run anyway, even if they wanted to make a nice Silverlight based browser...</p><p>I wonder, will the Apple fanboys defend Microsoft for this?</p><p>(I, for one, hate the closed app stores on all platforms.  I wouldn't have such a big problem if you could get apps (without jailbreaking) from somewhere other than their store, but I do have a big problem with using any device that restricts what I can run on it.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Given that Microsoft has a closed app store model for Windows 7 ( just like the iPhone ) the chances are good Microsoft would not allow Mozilla to run anyway , even if they wanted to make a nice Silverlight based browser...I wonder , will the Apple fanboys defend Microsoft for this ?
( I , for one , hate the closed app stores on all platforms .
I would n't have such a big problem if you could get apps ( without jailbreaking ) from somewhere other than their store , but I do have a big problem with using any device that restricts what I can run on it .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Given that Microsoft has a closed app store model for Windows 7 (just like the iPhone) the chances are good Microsoft would not allow Mozilla to run anyway, even if they wanted to make a nice Silverlight based browser...I wonder, will the Apple fanboys defend Microsoft for this?
(I, for one, hate the closed app stores on all platforms.
I wouldn't have such a big problem if you could get apps (without jailbreaking) from somewhere other than their store, but I do have a big problem with using any device that restricts what I can run on it.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592660</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1269355380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I mean seriously, it's like they're taking everything that I like about owning a WinMo phone and throwing it away. I *like* having a file browser on my phone. I *like* having native applications. I *like* HTC's SenseUI. I *like* being able to use my phone as USB mass storage. I *like* being able to HardSPL my phone and use a custom ROM from HTCpedia or xda-developers. I *like* being able to tether my phone using a standard data plan. I *like* Opera Mobile. These are all features that WinMo had and the iPhone didn't.</p></div><p>I wholeheartedly agree. I was actually waiting for WinPhone 7 MIX announcement to decide which smartphone will be my next. That decision was made next day after the announcement, and the phone is Nexus One...</p><p>It seems that Android now is everything that WinMo used to be - open in terms of what you can install on it, both native and managed applications allowed, great RAD development tools, decent documentation.</p><p>Sadly, I can understand why WinPhone was made that way - no-one can deny Apple's access with iPhone, and that makes it abundantly clear that most casual users don't care about openness of platform for developers - or even understand the concept - even if it still does affect them indirectly. So copying iPhone's model is the obvious choice so long as $$$ are involved.</p><p>Still... what happened to "developers, developers, developers"?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean seriously , it 's like they 're taking everything that I like about owning a WinMo phone and throwing it away .
I * like * having a file browser on my phone .
I * like * having native applications .
I * like * HTC 's SenseUI .
I * like * being able to use my phone as USB mass storage .
I * like * being able to HardSPL my phone and use a custom ROM from HTCpedia or xda-developers .
I * like * being able to tether my phone using a standard data plan .
I * like * Opera Mobile .
These are all features that WinMo had and the iPhone did n't.I wholeheartedly agree .
I was actually waiting for WinPhone 7 MIX announcement to decide which smartphone will be my next .
That decision was made next day after the announcement , and the phone is Nexus One...It seems that Android now is everything that WinMo used to be - open in terms of what you can install on it , both native and managed applications allowed , great RAD development tools , decent documentation.Sadly , I can understand why WinPhone was made that way - no-one can deny Apple 's access with iPhone , and that makes it abundantly clear that most casual users do n't care about openness of platform for developers - or even understand the concept - even if it still does affect them indirectly .
So copying iPhone 's model is the obvious choice so long as $ $ $ are involved.Still... what happened to " developers , developers , developers " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean seriously, it's like they're taking everything that I like about owning a WinMo phone and throwing it away.
I *like* having a file browser on my phone.
I *like* having native applications.
I *like* HTC's SenseUI.
I *like* being able to use my phone as USB mass storage.
I *like* being able to HardSPL my phone and use a custom ROM from HTCpedia or xda-developers.
I *like* being able to tether my phone using a standard data plan.
I *like* Opera Mobile.
These are all features that WinMo had and the iPhone didn't.I wholeheartedly agree.
I was actually waiting for WinPhone 7 MIX announcement to decide which smartphone will be my next.
That decision was made next day after the announcement, and the phone is Nexus One...It seems that Android now is everything that WinMo used to be - open in terms of what you can install on it, both native and managed applications allowed, great RAD development tools, decent documentation.Sadly, I can understand why WinPhone was made that way - no-one can deny Apple's access with iPhone, and that makes it abundantly clear that most casual users don't care about openness of platform for developers - or even understand the concept - even if it still does affect them indirectly.
So copying iPhone's model is the obvious choice so long as $$$ are involved.Still... what happened to "developers, developers, developers"?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592500</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft is at it again</title>
	<author>Frosty Piss</author>
	<datestamp>1269354540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They're just copying the iPhone restrictions from Apple!</p></div><p>Yes, but it doesn't work the same. Apple can get away with it because of the <b>Cult Factor</b>. Widows Mobil and the phones it runs on doesn't have that. My boss, a diehard Windows network admin LOVES his Android phone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're just copying the iPhone restrictions from Apple ! Yes , but it does n't work the same .
Apple can get away with it because of the Cult Factor .
Widows Mobil and the phones it runs on does n't have that .
My boss , a diehard Windows network admin LOVES his Android phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're just copying the iPhone restrictions from Apple!Yes, but it doesn't work the same.
Apple can get away with it because of the Cult Factor.
Widows Mobil and the phones it runs on doesn't have that.
My boss, a diehard Windows network admin LOVES his Android phone.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592348</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31597144</id>
	<title>Can you only run official-app-only?</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1269443520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>We don't know the exact rules for store approval process yet, but all information on that so far only mentioned malware and stuff such as "indecency" as reasons for rejection, and nothing even remotely similar to Apple's "no compete" clauses.</i></p><p>That's not really the relevant point though. The problem with Apple's store isn't what their actual policy is (although the fact that they do use it to block any competing applications is all the more a problem). The root problem is the fact that they have control over what you run on your own phone anyway.</p><p>So - is it really true that Windows 7 on phones will also run Microsoft approved applications? If so, that's very sad, no matter how liberal their app store policy might be. All the while it was only Apple, it didn't really matter what a small percent of the market was like. Thankfully Microsoft are a niche player in the mobile market too, but it still worries me to see a trend where more and more platforms follow this closed model of computing. And what if Microsoft decide to do this for the desktop?</p><p>I'm glad that Nokia are number one - I just hope they stay that way, and don't follow the path of making a closed platform.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't know the exact rules for store approval process yet , but all information on that so far only mentioned malware and stuff such as " indecency " as reasons for rejection , and nothing even remotely similar to Apple 's " no compete " clauses.That 's not really the relevant point though .
The problem with Apple 's store is n't what their actual policy is ( although the fact that they do use it to block any competing applications is all the more a problem ) .
The root problem is the fact that they have control over what you run on your own phone anyway.So - is it really true that Windows 7 on phones will also run Microsoft approved applications ?
If so , that 's very sad , no matter how liberal their app store policy might be .
All the while it was only Apple , it did n't really matter what a small percent of the market was like .
Thankfully Microsoft are a niche player in the mobile market too , but it still worries me to see a trend where more and more platforms follow this closed model of computing .
And what if Microsoft decide to do this for the desktop ? I 'm glad that Nokia are number one - I just hope they stay that way , and do n't follow the path of making a closed platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't know the exact rules for store approval process yet, but all information on that so far only mentioned malware and stuff such as "indecency" as reasons for rejection, and nothing even remotely similar to Apple's "no compete" clauses.That's not really the relevant point though.
The problem with Apple's store isn't what their actual policy is (although the fact that they do use it to block any competing applications is all the more a problem).
The root problem is the fact that they have control over what you run on your own phone anyway.So - is it really true that Windows 7 on phones will also run Microsoft approved applications?
If so, that's very sad, no matter how liberal their app store policy might be.
All the while it was only Apple, it didn't really matter what a small percent of the market was like.
Thankfully Microsoft are a niche player in the mobile market too, but it still worries me to see a trend where more and more platforms follow this closed model of computing.
And what if Microsoft decide to do this for the desktop?I'm glad that Nokia are number one - I just hope they stay that way, and don't follow the path of making a closed platform.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31596702</id>
	<title>Vaporware with an attitute</title>
	<author>wye43</author>
	<datestamp>1269441180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mozzila and lately firefox have tried for ages to release a version for mobiles and failed.<br>
<br>
Now they come up with sensationalistic claims like that. I don't say Windows Mobile is great, because its not, it really sucks, including 7, but first work your way and do at least one release, then you can go ahead and make a fuss about not releasing something on a specific platform.<br>
Firefox Mobile<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Forever?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mozzila and lately firefox have tried for ages to release a version for mobiles and failed .
Now they come up with sensationalistic claims like that .
I do n't say Windows Mobile is great , because its not , it really sucks , including 7 , but first work your way and do at least one release , then you can go ahead and make a fuss about not releasing something on a specific platform .
Firefox Mobile ... Forever ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mozzila and lately firefox have tried for ages to release a version for mobiles and failed.
Now they come up with sensationalistic claims like that.
I don't say Windows Mobile is great, because its not, it really sucks, including 7, but first work your way and do at least one release, then you can go ahead and make a fuss about not releasing something on a specific platform.
Firefox Mobile ... Forever?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592192</id>
	<title>Oh thats a shame...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269352440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good thing I got rid of my Windows mobile for an Andorid phone.<br> <br>If MS want to drive away developers, let them move to Android...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good thing I got rid of my Windows mobile for an Andorid phone .
If MS want to drive away developers , let them move to Android.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good thing I got rid of my Windows mobile for an Andorid phone.
If MS want to drive away developers, let them move to Android...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592290</id>
	<title>Microsoft versus Sun's Java and JavaScript</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269353040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My Mozilla 3.5 version Browser was glitching up on my Desktop PC earlier today, after I committed to a Microsoft JavaScript Update. As a matter of fact, it was not working at all. Didn't Microsoft recently buy Sun Microsystems, the owner of JAVA? I believe so. They fought a big lawsuit over Microsoft unilaterally rewriting Java coding without Sun's permission or license. Now, that is all over with. Fortunately, everything on my PC works now, with a restart. Who knows what the future will bring, with Microsoft owning Java, and Mozilla running JavaScript threads? Could it be, that Microsoft bought Sun in order to take on the Open Source Mozilla Browser Project? Could be, could be . . . .</htmltext>
<tokenext>My Mozilla 3.5 version Browser was glitching up on my Desktop PC earlier today , after I committed to a Microsoft JavaScript Update .
As a matter of fact , it was not working at all .
Did n't Microsoft recently buy Sun Microsystems , the owner of JAVA ?
I believe so .
They fought a big lawsuit over Microsoft unilaterally rewriting Java coding without Sun 's permission or license .
Now , that is all over with .
Fortunately , everything on my PC works now , with a restart .
Who knows what the future will bring , with Microsoft owning Java , and Mozilla running JavaScript threads ?
Could it be , that Microsoft bought Sun in order to take on the Open Source Mozilla Browser Project ?
Could be , could be .
. .
.</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Mozilla 3.5 version Browser was glitching up on my Desktop PC earlier today, after I committed to a Microsoft JavaScript Update.
As a matter of fact, it was not working at all.
Didn't Microsoft recently buy Sun Microsystems, the owner of JAVA?
I believe so.
They fought a big lawsuit over Microsoft unilaterally rewriting Java coding without Sun's permission or license.
Now, that is all over with.
Fortunately, everything on my PC works now, with a restart.
Who knows what the future will bring, with Microsoft owning Java, and Mozilla running JavaScript threads?
Could it be, that Microsoft bought Sun in order to take on the Open Source Mozilla Browser Project?
Could be, could be .
. .
.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593144</id>
	<title>Re:Meh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269358980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only are there a ton of other browser options, but they're virtually all better than Fennec.  After nearly a year and 4 alphas, the software just plain doesn't work... performance is crippled and really basic stuff (navigation) is more or less impossible.  Mozilla's idea of shunting the navigation icons off of the screen so that you have to pan to the right-most portion of the page was a bit of foolishness that I'll never understand.</p><p>In short, you won't be missed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only are there a ton of other browser options , but they 're virtually all better than Fennec .
After nearly a year and 4 alphas , the software just plain does n't work... performance is crippled and really basic stuff ( navigation ) is more or less impossible .
Mozilla 's idea of shunting the navigation icons off of the screen so that you have to pan to the right-most portion of the page was a bit of foolishness that I 'll never understand.In short , you wo n't be missed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only are there a ton of other browser options, but they're virtually all better than Fennec.
After nearly a year and 4 alphas, the software just plain doesn't work... performance is crippled and really basic stuff (navigation) is more or less impossible.
Mozilla's idea of shunting the navigation icons off of the screen so that you have to pan to the right-most portion of the page was a bit of foolishness that I'll never understand.In short, you won't be missed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593776</id>
	<title>What choices do we have now?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269364200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iPhone = locked / appstore<br>Andriod = crappy java unless you root<br>WM7 = see iPhone<br>Blackberry = blah</p><p>I don't know what other choices we have?  There is mobile java spec that works on the masses of handsets.</p><p>Was really looking forward to having firefox on the WM6 platform.  This really sucks... and it seems like MS will continue to support WM6 for quite some time into the future because the products are so different and really have different target audiences.  Unfortunately practically no handset vendor is going to want to ship 6.x when 7.x is available.</p><p>At this point I'm likely never to go to WM7 because I hate the iPhone and everything it stands for.  Whatever you might think about WM6 you at least had the freedom to do whatever the hell you wanted with it.  I guess my next phone will be andriod<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p><p>I just want a single platform that allows us to write real applications using native code considering the lack of memory and CPU on handsets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iPhone = locked / appstoreAndriod = crappy java unless you rootWM7 = see iPhoneBlackberry = blahI do n't know what other choices we have ?
There is mobile java spec that works on the masses of handsets.Was really looking forward to having firefox on the WM6 platform .
This really sucks... and it seems like MS will continue to support WM6 for quite some time into the future because the products are so different and really have different target audiences .
Unfortunately practically no handset vendor is going to want to ship 6.x when 7.x is available.At this point I 'm likely never to go to WM7 because I hate the iPhone and everything it stands for .
Whatever you might think about WM6 you at least had the freedom to do whatever the hell you wanted with it .
I guess my next phone will be andriod : ( I just want a single platform that allows us to write real applications using native code considering the lack of memory and CPU on handsets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPhone = locked / appstoreAndriod = crappy java unless you rootWM7 = see iPhoneBlackberry = blahI don't know what other choices we have?
There is mobile java spec that works on the masses of handsets.Was really looking forward to having firefox on the WM6 platform.
This really sucks... and it seems like MS will continue to support WM6 for quite some time into the future because the products are so different and really have different target audiences.
Unfortunately practically no handset vendor is going to want to ship 6.x when 7.x is available.At this point I'm likely never to go to WM7 because I hate the iPhone and everything it stands for.
Whatever you might think about WM6 you at least had the freedom to do whatever the hell you wanted with it.
I guess my next phone will be andriod :(I just want a single platform that allows us to write real applications using native code considering the lack of memory and CPU on handsets.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592862</id>
	<title>RIP Windows Mobile</title>
	<author>foxylad</author>
	<datestamp>1269356940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows Mobile is just another ball that Microsoft dropped, and Windows Mobile 7 isn't going to bounce that ball high enough to catch again. It'll soon be used only by employees of corporates who are trapped in the Microsoft ecosystem, who'll all have their own Apple/Android phone in the other pocket.</p><p>Microsoft have had years to catch up to Apple, and failed miserably. Android is evolving faster than either - I have a Nexus One and in my opinion it demonstrates Android has already overtaken Apple. I predict Microsoft will buy RIM to try and bolster their market share, but that it'll soon be a two-horse race between Apple and Android.</p><p>So smart move, Mozilla - no point flogging that dead horse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows Mobile is just another ball that Microsoft dropped , and Windows Mobile 7 is n't going to bounce that ball high enough to catch again .
It 'll soon be used only by employees of corporates who are trapped in the Microsoft ecosystem , who 'll all have their own Apple/Android phone in the other pocket.Microsoft have had years to catch up to Apple , and failed miserably .
Android is evolving faster than either - I have a Nexus One and in my opinion it demonstrates Android has already overtaken Apple .
I predict Microsoft will buy RIM to try and bolster their market share , but that it 'll soon be a two-horse race between Apple and Android.So smart move , Mozilla - no point flogging that dead horse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows Mobile is just another ball that Microsoft dropped, and Windows Mobile 7 isn't going to bounce that ball high enough to catch again.
It'll soon be used only by employees of corporates who are trapped in the Microsoft ecosystem, who'll all have their own Apple/Android phone in the other pocket.Microsoft have had years to catch up to Apple, and failed miserably.
Android is evolving faster than either - I have a Nexus One and in my opinion it demonstrates Android has already overtaken Apple.
I predict Microsoft will buy RIM to try and bolster their market share, but that it'll soon be a two-horse race between Apple and Android.So smart move, Mozilla - no point flogging that dead horse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592480</id>
	<title>Eh</title>
	<author>jav1231</author>
	<datestamp>1269354420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> It's an Android/iPhone world now. WinMo and Palm are marginalized.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's an Android/iPhone world now .
WinMo and Palm are marginalized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It's an Android/iPhone world now.
WinMo and Palm are marginalized.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592348</id>
	<title>Microsoft is at it again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269353460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're just copying the iPhone restrictions from Apple!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're just copying the iPhone restrictions from Apple !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're just copying the iPhone restrictions from Apple!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31596294</id>
	<title>Re:How sure are you? Microsoft says otherwise.</title>
	<author>diegocg</author>
	<datestamp>1269438540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think the app store matters at all. The problem here is that Microsoft does <i>not</i> allow to write apps in native code (except for partners like Adobe). It doesn't matter how open is the store, Firefox is not going to pass the filters because it's native code.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the app store matters at all .
The problem here is that Microsoft does not allow to write apps in native code ( except for partners like Adobe ) .
It does n't matter how open is the store , Firefox is not going to pass the filters because it 's native code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the app store matters at all.
The problem here is that Microsoft does not allow to write apps in native code (except for partners like Adobe).
It doesn't matter how open is the store, Firefox is not going to pass the filters because it's native code.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592546</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269354660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's still unclear that Flash is going to be available. Ostensibly the motivation behind sticking with Silverlight is security, so that kind of goes out the window if they add Flash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's still unclear that Flash is going to be available .
Ostensibly the motivation behind sticking with Silverlight is security , so that kind of goes out the window if they add Flash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's still unclear that Flash is going to be available.
Ostensibly the motivation behind sticking with Silverlight is security, so that kind of goes out the window if they add Flash.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592436</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31594712</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft versus Sun's Java and JavaScript</title>
	<author>mwolfe38</author>
	<datestamp>1269461520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think this should get +5 funny.
I hate when that sun javascript screws up my computer too. Oh and that mozilla sure needs to get up to the times, haven't they heard of Internet Explorer 6!

Seriously though,  Microsoft/java debacle was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft\_Java\_Virtual\_Machine" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">many years ago</a> [wikipedia.org]
but you make it sound like it was just yesterday. Oh how time flies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this should get + 5 funny .
I hate when that sun javascript screws up my computer too .
Oh and that mozilla sure needs to get up to the times , have n't they heard of Internet Explorer 6 !
Seriously though , Microsoft/java debacle was many years ago [ wikipedia.org ] but you make it sound like it was just yesterday .
Oh how time flies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this should get +5 funny.
I hate when that sun javascript screws up my computer too.
Oh and that mozilla sure needs to get up to the times, haven't they heard of Internet Explorer 6!
Seriously though,  Microsoft/java debacle was many years ago [wikipedia.org]
but you make it sound like it was just yesterday.
Oh how time flies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31594336</id>
	<title>Just Requiring CLR?</title>
	<author>snowman2010</author>
	<datestamp>1269369420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not clear to me from the linked article, but it sounds like Microsoft want all apps running on the phone to be "managed" code running on the CLR engine.

This is just plain sense. It means that they can then run all apps in the same memory-space, and be sure that they are all nicely "sandboxed" so they can't corrupt each other's memory.
If non-sandboxed code is allowed, then the OS has to run each app in a separate process with its own memory-space. That makes life more complicated, and adds overhead.

I'm sure microsoft don't want to handle user complaints about os crashes, and have to analyse them knowing that some of the processes on that system are not sandboxed. It's a little like the Linux "tainted kernel", where you get absolutely no support if you load non-gpl kernel modules. Of course in Linux, you have the *option* of loading the modules if you really really want to. Still, I'm sure linux distros aren't keen on having lots of users with tainted kernels, and that Microsoft feel the same about their phones.

Limiting apps to using CLR isn't crippling, and with the XNA lib for fast graphics added things should be even better. Ok, not quite native speed but pretty close...</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not clear to me from the linked article , but it sounds like Microsoft want all apps running on the phone to be " managed " code running on the CLR engine .
This is just plain sense .
It means that they can then run all apps in the same memory-space , and be sure that they are all nicely " sandboxed " so they ca n't corrupt each other 's memory .
If non-sandboxed code is allowed , then the OS has to run each app in a separate process with its own memory-space .
That makes life more complicated , and adds overhead .
I 'm sure microsoft do n't want to handle user complaints about os crashes , and have to analyse them knowing that some of the processes on that system are not sandboxed .
It 's a little like the Linux " tainted kernel " , where you get absolutely no support if you load non-gpl kernel modules .
Of course in Linux , you have the * option * of loading the modules if you really really want to .
Still , I 'm sure linux distros are n't keen on having lots of users with tainted kernels , and that Microsoft feel the same about their phones .
Limiting apps to using CLR is n't crippling , and with the XNA lib for fast graphics added things should be even better .
Ok , not quite native speed but pretty close.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not clear to me from the linked article, but it sounds like Microsoft want all apps running on the phone to be "managed" code running on the CLR engine.
This is just plain sense.
It means that they can then run all apps in the same memory-space, and be sure that they are all nicely "sandboxed" so they can't corrupt each other's memory.
If non-sandboxed code is allowed, then the OS has to run each app in a separate process with its own memory-space.
That makes life more complicated, and adds overhead.
I'm sure microsoft don't want to handle user complaints about os crashes, and have to analyse them knowing that some of the processes on that system are not sandboxed.
It's a little like the Linux "tainted kernel", where you get absolutely no support if you load non-gpl kernel modules.
Of course in Linux, you have the *option* of loading the modules if you really really want to.
Still, I'm sure linux distros aren't keen on having lots of users with tainted kernels, and that Microsoft feel the same about their phones.
Limiting apps to using CLR isn't crippling, and with the XNA lib for fast graphics added things should be even better.
Ok, not quite native speed but pretty close...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592974</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>sixknowspring</author>
	<datestamp>1269357600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That was a pretty funny (insightful) summary; definitely noted. And, I'm guessing that WinMo7 is going to follow suit soon enough.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That was a pretty funny ( insightful ) summary ; definitely noted .
And , I 'm guessing that WinMo7 is going to follow suit soon enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was a pretty funny (insightful) summary; definitely noted.
And, I'm guessing that WinMo7 is going to follow suit soon enough.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592436</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31594588</id>
	<title>Re:Preemptive Strike</title>
	<author>Z00L00K</author>
	<datestamp>1269372960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And this will certainly cause problems for custom applications that are developed for a single customer.</p><p>There are cases where it's really of interest to develop an application that are going to be executed on a low number of devices (maybe 50 units). If that has to go through the app store and approval process then Windows Mobile is dead as a dodo for that kind of development.</p><p>I have been developing one that also extends the OS platform due to limitations of the Windows Mobile OS. This means that running it in the gaming platform or Silverlight wouldn't be feasible.</p><p>So next project would probably be Android.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And this will certainly cause problems for custom applications that are developed for a single customer.There are cases where it 's really of interest to develop an application that are going to be executed on a low number of devices ( maybe 50 units ) .
If that has to go through the app store and approval process then Windows Mobile is dead as a dodo for that kind of development.I have been developing one that also extends the OS platform due to limitations of the Windows Mobile OS .
This means that running it in the gaming platform or Silverlight would n't be feasible.So next project would probably be Android .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And this will certainly cause problems for custom applications that are developed for a single customer.There are cases where it's really of interest to develop an application that are going to be executed on a low number of devices (maybe 50 units).
If that has to go through the app store and approval process then Windows Mobile is dead as a dodo for that kind of development.I have been developing one that also extends the OS platform due to limitations of the Windows Mobile OS.
This means that running it in the gaming platform or Silverlight wouldn't be feasible.So next project would probably be Android.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592584</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31595566</id>
	<title>DUMB MOVE MICROSOFT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269432420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I was actually interested in your new phone. No longer..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I was actually interested in your new phone .
No longer. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I was actually interested in your new phone.
No longer..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593012</id>
	<title>Re:Preemptive Strike</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1269357900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will be very interesting to see if MS can get it right this time. WinMob grabbed some marketshare thanks to OEMs' efforts to hide all the suckiness... They were not that successful, and MS now says they can make their suckiness go away at the cost of openness and customization... I'm not convinced.</p><p>MS has not been very successfull outside their seminal OS monopoly. I'm not sure how they can leverage that for the mobile market... and it seems they aren't, either.</p><p>I'm still looking for something that WinMob 7 does that others don't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will be very interesting to see if MS can get it right this time .
WinMob grabbed some marketshare thanks to OEMs ' efforts to hide all the suckiness... They were not that successful , and MS now says they can make their suckiness go away at the cost of openness and customization... I 'm not convinced.MS has not been very successfull outside their seminal OS monopoly .
I 'm not sure how they can leverage that for the mobile market... and it seems they are n't , either.I 'm still looking for something that WinMob 7 does that others do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will be very interesting to see if MS can get it right this time.
WinMob grabbed some marketshare thanks to OEMs' efforts to hide all the suckiness... They were not that successful, and MS now says they can make their suckiness go away at the cost of openness and customization... I'm not convinced.MS has not been very successfull outside their seminal OS monopoly.
I'm not sure how they can leverage that for the mobile market... and it seems they aren't, either.I'm still looking for something that WinMob 7 does that others don't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31597064</id>
	<title>Who cares</title>
	<author>GameboyRMH</author>
	<datestamp>1269443160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More developers for Maemo/Meego (or even Android which offers relatively decent software freedom). Let Apple and Microsoft shoot themselves in the foot all day long, the competition is stiff and will gladly take the customers and developers they turn off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More developers for Maemo/Meego ( or even Android which offers relatively decent software freedom ) .
Let Apple and Microsoft shoot themselves in the foot all day long , the competition is stiff and will gladly take the customers and developers they turn off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More developers for Maemo/Meego (or even Android which offers relatively decent software freedom).
Let Apple and Microsoft shoot themselves in the foot all day long, the competition is stiff and will gladly take the customers and developers they turn off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592160</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31595274</id>
	<title>Oh Jesus</title>
	<author>theolein</author>
	<datestamp>1269429480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thing, is how often the Mac people end up knowing so much more about both platforms than the people who only really know Windows.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>This makes me weep. I'm a system administrator for a large design company, running Mac servers with about 45 Mac clients and 10 PC clients. The Mac users are so singularly clueless about what a computer does and how it does it, it makes me cringe. It's good that OSX is simpler and more robust than Windows because, man, do they need it.</p><p>What Mac users especially are, is loud-mouthed know-it-alls who think they know more about any topic in IT because some rabidly Mac centric blog, like Daring Fireball or Roughly Drafted writes totally false articles on why Flash won't work on the iPhone (They said it's because the OS doesn't have a cursor so roll-over events won't work, which is so utterly pathetically wrong, it's just sad), for instance. Those same "knowledgeable" Mac users will then go on to scream that piece of falsehood at the top of their lungs on the internet.</p><p>Yay Mac, because having to apply one's brains is sooo uncool.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thing , is how often the Mac people end up knowing so much more about both platforms than the people who only really know Windows .
...This makes me weep .
I 'm a system administrator for a large design company , running Mac servers with about 45 Mac clients and 10 PC clients .
The Mac users are so singularly clueless about what a computer does and how it does it , it makes me cringe .
It 's good that OSX is simpler and more robust than Windows because , man , do they need it.What Mac users especially are , is loud-mouthed know-it-alls who think they know more about any topic in IT because some rabidly Mac centric blog , like Daring Fireball or Roughly Drafted writes totally false articles on why Flash wo n't work on the iPhone ( They said it 's because the OS does n't have a cursor so roll-over events wo n't work , which is so utterly pathetically wrong , it 's just sad ) , for instance .
Those same " knowledgeable " Mac users will then go on to scream that piece of falsehood at the top of their lungs on the internet.Yay Mac , because having to apply one 's brains is sooo uncool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...The thing that really amuses me about the whole Windows vs. Mac thing, is how often the Mac people end up knowing so much more about both platforms than the people who only really know Windows.
...This makes me weep.
I'm a system administrator for a large design company, running Mac servers with about 45 Mac clients and 10 PC clients.
The Mac users are so singularly clueless about what a computer does and how it does it, it makes me cringe.
It's good that OSX is simpler and more robust than Windows because, man, do they need it.What Mac users especially are, is loud-mouthed know-it-alls who think they know more about any topic in IT because some rabidly Mac centric blog, like Daring Fireball or Roughly Drafted writes totally false articles on why Flash won't work on the iPhone (They said it's because the OS doesn't have a cursor so roll-over events won't work, which is so utterly pathetically wrong, it's just sad), for instance.
Those same "knowledgeable" Mac users will then go on to scream that piece of falsehood at the top of their lungs on the internet.Yay Mac, because having to apply one's brains is sooo uncool.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593362</id>
	<title>Re:Windows CE (NOT - WM7 is client of CE, not CE)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269360660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WM7 (6.x, 5.x, 4.x, 3.x, 2.x) are based on CE, the underlying OS.  Windows CE is still "native code", with a Win32 API, if you want to classify it that way.  WM* is a shell, if you want to put it some way.  The current WM, 6.5.3, is based on CE 5, which has been generally available for five years.  It also has a 32 MB process address space; 32 processes max.  No, really.  CE 6 does away with that.  No current Wm* uses CE 6.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WM7 ( 6.x , 5.x , 4.x , 3.x , 2.x ) are based on CE , the underlying OS .
Windows CE is still " native code " , with a Win32 API , if you want to classify it that way .
WM * is a shell , if you want to put it some way .
The current WM , 6.5.3 , is based on CE 5 , which has been generally available for five years .
It also has a 32 MB process address space ; 32 processes max .
No , really .
CE 6 does away with that .
No current Wm * uses CE 6 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WM7 (6.x, 5.x, 4.x, 3.x, 2.x) are based on CE, the underlying OS.
Windows CE is still "native code", with a Win32 API, if you want to classify it that way.
WM* is a shell, if you want to put it some way.
The current WM, 6.5.3, is based on CE 5, which has been generally available for five years.
It also has a 32 MB process address space; 32 processes max.
No, really.
CE 6 does away with that.
No current Wm* uses CE 6.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31605716</id>
	<title>Re:Oh Jesus</title>
	<author>ejasons</author>
	<datestamp>1269436380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>Yay Mac, because having to apply one's brains is sooo uncool.</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>And yet, those people are your bosses, and are the sole reason that your job even exists.  You must feel so inadequate...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yay Mac , because having to apply one 's brains is sooo uncool .
And yet , those people are your bosses , and are the sole reason that your job even exists .
You must feel so inadequate.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Yay Mac, because having to apply one's brains is sooo uncool.
And yet, those people are your bosses, and are the sole reason that your job even exists.
You must feel so inadequate...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31595410</id>
	<title>just requiring silverlight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269430800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>Microsoft will only support development of applications running in the <a href="http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/340570/mozilla\_stops\_development\_firefox\_windows\_mobile/" title="idg.com.au" rel="nofollow">Silverlight runtime environment</a> [idg.com.au], or of games in the XNA Game Studio runtime environment, it announced last week at its Mix conference. It will not allow third party app developers direct access to the phone's hardware, where they might be better able to exploit its potential</i>"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Microsoft will only support development of applications running in the Silverlight runtime environment [ idg.com.au ] , or of games in the XNA Game Studio runtime environment , it announced last week at its Mix conference .
It will not allow third party app developers direct access to the phone 's hardware , where they might be better able to exploit its potential "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Microsoft will only support development of applications running in the Silverlight runtime environment [idg.com.au], or of games in the XNA Game Studio runtime environment, it announced last week at its Mix conference.
It will not allow third party app developers direct access to the phone's hardware, where they might be better able to exploit its potential"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31597776</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>IDIIAMOTS</author>
	<datestamp>1269446340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Still... what happened to "developers, developers, developers"?</p></div><p>
150,000 applications and 3 Billion downloads from Apple App Store happened.  It tells Microsoft that developers are gonna be fine.  Sure it's not going to make everyone happy, but its enough to be a successful platform in the current mobile phone industry.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Still... what happened to " developers , developers , developers " ?
150,000 applications and 3 Billion downloads from Apple App Store happened .
It tells Microsoft that developers are gon na be fine .
Sure it 's not going to make everyone happy , but its enough to be a successful platform in the current mobile phone industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still... what happened to "developers, developers, developers"?
150,000 applications and 3 Billion downloads from Apple App Store happened.
It tells Microsoft that developers are gonna be fine.
Sure it's not going to make everyone happy, but its enough to be a successful platform in the current mobile phone industry.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31592900</id>
	<title>Re:So basically</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269357240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, then go with one of Nokia&rsquo;s Linux phones. They seem to walk in the opposite direction and make the systems freer and freer. (They own QT, which gives you a feeling for their dedication.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , then go with one of Nokia    s Linux phones .
They seem to walk in the opposite direction and make the systems freer and freer .
( They own QT , which gives you a feeling for their dedication .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, then go with one of Nokia’s Linux phones.
They seem to walk in the opposite direction and make the systems freer and freer.
(They own QT, which gives you a feeling for their dedication.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31593254</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 Immobile</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269359820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has been a PR issue, but it has not affected sales in the slightest.  People still are buying from Apple's app store in droves, and the app developers toe the Apple line.  Why?  Because people still buy from the platform in droves, and to be honest, the people who want to tether, jailbreak their phones, or be able to install custom stuff they have are in a very small minority to the masses who take what they are given.</p><p>The sad thing is that *all* phone platforms now are becoming closed.  Windows Mobile 7 slams the doors when previous versions allowed anyone to distribute apps as they so chose.  Android makers will push updates that brick rooted phones.  Apple wages an arms race with jailbreakers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has been a PR issue , but it has not affected sales in the slightest .
People still are buying from Apple 's app store in droves , and the app developers toe the Apple line .
Why ? Because people still buy from the platform in droves , and to be honest , the people who want to tether , jailbreak their phones , or be able to install custom stuff they have are in a very small minority to the masses who take what they are given.The sad thing is that * all * phone platforms now are becoming closed .
Windows Mobile 7 slams the doors when previous versions allowed anyone to distribute apps as they so chose .
Android makers will push updates that brick rooted phones .
Apple wages an arms race with jailbreakers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has been a PR issue, but it has not affected sales in the slightest.
People still are buying from Apple's app store in droves, and the app developers toe the Apple line.
Why?  Because people still buy from the platform in droves, and to be honest, the people who want to tether, jailbreak their phones, or be able to install custom stuff they have are in a very small minority to the masses who take what they are given.The sad thing is that *all* phone platforms now are becoming closed.
Windows Mobile 7 slams the doors when previous versions allowed anyone to distribute apps as they so chose.
Android makers will push updates that brick rooted phones.
Apple wages an arms race with jailbreakers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31595562</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft is at it again</title>
	<author>delinear</author>
	<datestamp>1269432360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes you're right, Apple's products tend to be aspirational while Microsoft's are generally sold on the basis of being functional. That's not to say everything Apple does is amazing or everything MS does just works, quite often that's not the case but nevertheless this seems to be the image both companies project, so it's bizarre that MS seem constantly attracted to this idea of being like Apple. They don't need to be, they've demonstrated they can be financially successful without the glamour, but it seems to be something they crave.</p><p>I worked for a big travel company a few years ago which very much dealt with the "bucket and spade brigade", i.e. cheap family holidays to tourist hotspots. The customers generally knew what they were getting and were satisfied with it, but the people at the top seemed to be constantly embarassed by the fact that their main offerings were considered low brow and were always trying to force the company down the route of appearing to offer luxury, aspirational holidays. Of course, this didn't fool the people who really wanted luxury holidays, it just had the effect of discouraging their actual customers. MS's approach here seems very much the same to me, they're not going to wow the natural iPhone customers over to their platform, they'll more likely just annoy their core customers. You'd think they might have learned this lesson already with the Zune, which by all accounts is a great little PMP, but just tried too hard to be "cool", who can forget the promises of Ballmer squirting at you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes you 're right , Apple 's products tend to be aspirational while Microsoft 's are generally sold on the basis of being functional .
That 's not to say everything Apple does is amazing or everything MS does just works , quite often that 's not the case but nevertheless this seems to be the image both companies project , so it 's bizarre that MS seem constantly attracted to this idea of being like Apple .
They do n't need to be , they 've demonstrated they can be financially successful without the glamour , but it seems to be something they crave.I worked for a big travel company a few years ago which very much dealt with the " bucket and spade brigade " , i.e .
cheap family holidays to tourist hotspots .
The customers generally knew what they were getting and were satisfied with it , but the people at the top seemed to be constantly embarassed by the fact that their main offerings were considered low brow and were always trying to force the company down the route of appearing to offer luxury , aspirational holidays .
Of course , this did n't fool the people who really wanted luxury holidays , it just had the effect of discouraging their actual customers .
MS 's approach here seems very much the same to me , they 're not going to wow the natural iPhone customers over to their platform , they 'll more likely just annoy their core customers .
You 'd think they might have learned this lesson already with the Zune , which by all accounts is a great little PMP , but just tried too hard to be " cool " , who can forget the promises of Ballmer squirting at you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes you're right, Apple's products tend to be aspirational while Microsoft's are generally sold on the basis of being functional.
That's not to say everything Apple does is amazing or everything MS does just works, quite often that's not the case but nevertheless this seems to be the image both companies project, so it's bizarre that MS seem constantly attracted to this idea of being like Apple.
They don't need to be, they've demonstrated they can be financially successful without the glamour, but it seems to be something they crave.I worked for a big travel company a few years ago which very much dealt with the "bucket and spade brigade", i.e.
cheap family holidays to tourist hotspots.
The customers generally knew what they were getting and were satisfied with it, but the people at the top seemed to be constantly embarassed by the fact that their main offerings were considered low brow and were always trying to force the company down the route of appearing to offer luxury, aspirational holidays.
Of course, this didn't fool the people who really wanted luxury holidays, it just had the effect of discouraging their actual customers.
MS's approach here seems very much the same to me, they're not going to wow the natural iPhone customers over to their platform, they'll more likely just annoy their core customers.
You'd think they might have learned this lesson already with the Zune, which by all accounts is a great little PMP, but just tried too hard to be "cool", who can forget the promises of Ballmer squirting at you?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2327227.31594534</id>
	<title>Re:ROFL!</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1269372240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot: there are also fewer bearded women in the Windows Mobile world than the iPhone world. (Or maybe they're perpetually-pubescent men. Hard to tell.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot : there are also fewer bearded women in the Windows Mobile world than the iPhone world .
( Or maybe they 're perpetually-pubescent men .
Hard to tell .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot: there are also fewer bearded women in the Windows Mobile world than the iPhone world.
(Or maybe they're perpetually-pubescent men.
Hard to tell.
)</sentencetext>
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