<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_23_1226241</id>
	<title>The Biggest Cloud Providers Are Botnets</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1269351300000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Julie188 writes <i>"Google is made up of 500,000 systems, 1 million CPUs and 1,500 gigabits per second (Gbps) of bandwidth, according to cloud service provider Neustar. Amazon comes in second with 160,000 systems, 320,000 CPUs and 400 Gbps of bandwidth, while Rackspace offers 65,000 systems, 130,000 CPUs and 300 Gbps. But these clouds are dwarfed by the likes of <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/58829">the really big cloud</a> services, otherwise known as botnets. Conficker controls 6.4 million computer systems in 230 countries, with more than 18 million CPUs and 28 terabits per second of bandwidth."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Julie188 writes " Google is made up of 500,000 systems , 1 million CPUs and 1,500 gigabits per second ( Gbps ) of bandwidth , according to cloud service provider Neustar .
Amazon comes in second with 160,000 systems , 320,000 CPUs and 400 Gbps of bandwidth , while Rackspace offers 65,000 systems , 130,000 CPUs and 300 Gbps .
But these clouds are dwarfed by the likes of the really big cloud services , otherwise known as botnets .
Conficker controls 6.4 million computer systems in 230 countries , with more than 18 million CPUs and 28 terabits per second of bandwidth .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Julie188 writes "Google is made up of 500,000 systems, 1 million CPUs and 1,500 gigabits per second (Gbps) of bandwidth, according to cloud service provider Neustar.
Amazon comes in second with 160,000 systems, 320,000 CPUs and 400 Gbps of bandwidth, while Rackspace offers 65,000 systems, 130,000 CPUs and 300 Gbps.
But these clouds are dwarfed by the likes of the really big cloud services, otherwise known as botnets.
Conficker controls 6.4 million computer systems in 230 countries, with more than 18 million CPUs and 28 terabits per second of bandwidth.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31587422</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>JoshuaJ</author>
	<datestamp>1269373020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ha! I think I found where they got at least some of these numbers: confickerworkinggroup.org. To quote the source: "it is with a lot of trepidation that we even show any values for conficker knowing that they will most likely be taken out of context and quoted by many." Oh well.

They show conficker traffic hitting their honeypots from about 6.2 million unique IPs in 225 geographic areas (presumably based on ccTLDs, which use a liberal definition of "country") -- interestingly close to the stats quoted.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ha !
I think I found where they got at least some of these numbers : confickerworkinggroup.org .
To quote the source : " it is with a lot of trepidation that we even show any values for conficker knowing that they will most likely be taken out of context and quoted by many .
" Oh well .
They show conficker traffic hitting their honeypots from about 6.2 million unique IPs in 225 geographic areas ( presumably based on ccTLDs , which use a liberal definition of " country " ) -- interestingly close to the stats quoted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ha!
I think I found where they got at least some of these numbers: confickerworkinggroup.org.
To quote the source: "it is with a lot of trepidation that we even show any values for conficker knowing that they will most likely be taken out of context and quoted by many.
" Oh well.
They show conficker traffic hitting their honeypots from about 6.2 million unique IPs in 225 geographic areas (presumably based on ccTLDs, which use a liberal definition of "country") -- interestingly close to the stats quoted.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583818</id>
	<title>Check your eyes</title>
	<author>Exception Duck</author>
	<datestamp>1269359820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not sure how effective this really is, but it makes sense.</p><p><a href="http://www.confickerworkinggroup.org/infection\_test/cfeyechart.html" title="confickerw...ggroup.org">http://www.confickerworkinggroup.org/infection\_test/cfeyechart.html</a> [confickerw...ggroup.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure how effective this really is , but it makes sense.http : //www.confickerworkinggroup.org/infection \ _test/cfeyechart.html [ confickerw...ggroup.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure how effective this really is, but it makes sense.http://www.confickerworkinggroup.org/infection\_test/cfeyechart.html [confickerw...ggroup.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583130</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1269357000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm quite certain they did understood all of it and weren't just nitpicking like you. While I personally think it's good to use space as thousand separator and period as decimal point ("18 000 000 cpus in 6 400 000 systems is on AVERAGE 2.812 CPUs"), I didn't even notice that thing and perfectly understood what he meant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm quite certain they did understood all of it and were n't just nitpicking like you .
While I personally think it 's good to use space as thousand separator and period as decimal point ( " 18 000 000 cpus in 6 400 000 systems is on AVERAGE 2.812 CPUs " ) , I did n't even notice that thing and perfectly understood what he meant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm quite certain they did understood all of it and weren't just nitpicking like you.
While I personally think it's good to use space as thousand separator and period as decimal point ("18 000 000 cpus in 6 400 000 systems is on AVERAGE 2.812 CPUs"), I didn't even notice that thing and perfectly understood what he meant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583290</id>
	<title>it will become self-aware</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1269357660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>at 2:14 am Eastern Time on August 29th, 1997</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>at 2 : 14 am Eastern Time on August 29th , 1997</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at 2:14 am Eastern Time on August 29th, 1997</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583626</id>
	<title>Re:Something where academia should learn from</title>
	<author>Bearhouse</author>
	<datestamp>1269359040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Easy, my new friend.<br>Please post here your social security number, bank account and credit cards details plus all logins and passwords and you'll be part of our network in no time!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy , my new friend.Please post here your social security number , bank account and credit cards details plus all logins and passwords and you 'll be part of our network in no time ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy, my new friend.Please post here your social security number, bank account and credit cards details plus all logins and passwords and you'll be part of our network in no time!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31587360</id>
	<title>230?</title>
	<author>LuminaireX</author>
	<datestamp>1269372780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Conficker controls 6.4 million computer systems in 230 countries</i></p><p>Are there even 230 countries in the entire world?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Conficker controls 6.4 million computer systems in 230 countriesAre there even 230 countries in the entire world ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Conficker controls 6.4 million computer systems in 230 countriesAre there even 230 countries in the entire world?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582996</id>
	<title>The BotNet Song!</title>
	<author>GPLDAN</author>
	<datestamp>1269356460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rustok was a real piss cock<br>
Who was very rarely stable.<br>
<br>
Cutwail, Cutwail was a woozy beggar<br>
Who could dos you under the table.<br>
<br>
Bobax aka Kraken could out-consume<br>
Nagle!<br>
<br>
And Maazben was a leery swine<br>
Who was just as poorly coded as Bagle!<br>
<br>
There's nothing Grum couldn't teach ya<br>
'Bout the razing of the kernel.<br>
Mega-D, itself, was permanently pissed.<br>
<br>
Festi-ville, of its own free will,<br>
On half a gig of pipe was particularly ill.<br>
<br>
Xarvester, they say, could stick it away--<br>
Half a dozen XP machine every day.<br>
<br>
Donbot, Donbot was a bugger for the lot.<br>
Conficker was fond of its spam,<br>
<br>
And Gregory King was a drunk on bling.<br>
'I spam, therefore I am.'<br>
<br>
Yes, ZeuS, itself, is particularly missed,<br>
A lovely little thinker,<br>
But a bugger when it's pissed!<br>
<br> <br> <br> <br>
-- Apologies in advance to the Pythons</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rustok was a real piss cock Who was very rarely stable .
Cutwail , Cutwail was a woozy beggar Who could dos you under the table .
Bobax aka Kraken could out-consume Nagle !
And Maazben was a leery swine Who was just as poorly coded as Bagle !
There 's nothing Grum could n't teach ya 'Bout the razing of the kernel .
Mega-D , itself , was permanently pissed .
Festi-ville , of its own free will , On half a gig of pipe was particularly ill . Xarvester , they say , could stick it away-- Half a dozen XP machine every day .
Donbot , Donbot was a bugger for the lot .
Conficker was fond of its spam , And Gregory King was a drunk on bling .
'I spam , therefore I am .
' Yes , ZeuS , itself , is particularly missed , A lovely little thinker , But a bugger when it 's pissed !
-- Apologies in advance to the Pythons</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rustok was a real piss cock
Who was very rarely stable.
Cutwail, Cutwail was a woozy beggar
Who could dos you under the table.
Bobax aka Kraken could out-consume
Nagle!
And Maazben was a leery swine
Who was just as poorly coded as Bagle!
There's nothing Grum couldn't teach ya
'Bout the razing of the kernel.
Mega-D, itself, was permanently pissed.
Festi-ville, of its own free will,
On half a gig of pipe was particularly ill.

Xarvester, they say, could stick it away--
Half a dozen XP machine every day.
Donbot, Donbot was a bugger for the lot.
Conficker was fond of its spam,

And Gregory King was a drunk on bling.
'I spam, therefore I am.
'

Yes, ZeuS, itself, is particularly missed,
A lovely little thinker,
But a bugger when it's pissed!
-- Apologies in advance to the Pythons</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583120</id>
	<title>Does this mean Microsoft has the lead?</title>
	<author>miffo.swe</author>
	<datestamp>1269356940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does the fact that 100\% of these machines run Windows XP/Vista/7 mean that Microsoft is the biggest supplier of Cloud OS computing software (if you disregard the small patches from the botnet owners)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the fact that 100 \ % of these machines run Windows XP/Vista/7 mean that Microsoft is the biggest supplier of Cloud OS computing software ( if you disregard the small patches from the botnet owners ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the fact that 100\% of these machines run Windows XP/Vista/7 mean that Microsoft is the biggest supplier of Cloud OS computing software (if you disregard the small patches from the botnet owners)?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31584636</id>
	<title>Re:How long before...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269363060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would say most bot nets already show more signs of intelligence then most people I meet on a daily basis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would say most bot nets already show more signs of intelligence then most people I meet on a daily basis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would say most bot nets already show more signs of intelligence then most people I meet on a daily basis.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583232</id>
	<title>Re:Something where academia should learn from</title>
	<author>theIsovist</author>
	<datestamp>1269357420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Where can I rent this botnet legally?</p></div><p>
you can't because the botnets are created illegally.  There are "botnets" created for scientific use, such as folding@home, but these do not spread on their own and are completely opt in (and, more importantly, opt out).  Perhaps someone should create an opt in cloud system where users who provide cpu power are given a cut of the profit from the distributed super computer use.  Perhaps someone already has, as I'm not an expert on these things.  I would doubt that the income from this would offset the increased electrical bills, though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where can I rent this botnet legally ?
you ca n't because the botnets are created illegally .
There are " botnets " created for scientific use , such as folding @ home , but these do not spread on their own and are completely opt in ( and , more importantly , opt out ) .
Perhaps someone should create an opt in cloud system where users who provide cpu power are given a cut of the profit from the distributed super computer use .
Perhaps someone already has , as I 'm not an expert on these things .
I would doubt that the income from this would offset the increased electrical bills , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where can I rent this botnet legally?
you can't because the botnets are created illegally.
There are "botnets" created for scientific use, such as folding@home, but these do not spread on their own and are completely opt in (and, more importantly, opt out).
Perhaps someone should create an opt in cloud system where users who provide cpu power are given a cut of the profit from the distributed super computer use.
Perhaps someone already has, as I'm not an expert on these things.
I would doubt that the income from this would offset the increased electrical bills, though.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582820</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583022</id>
	<title>Re:Something where academia should learn from</title>
	<author>oranGoo</author>
	<datestamp>1269356520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At a place that legally sells illegally obtained resources.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At a place that legally sells illegally obtained resources .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At a place that legally sells illegally obtained resources.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583428</id>
	<title>Hey You...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269358200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..get off of my cloud!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..get off of my cloud !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..get off of my cloud!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31585076</id>
	<title>Re:Could be put to good use</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1269364800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kinda sucks when the bad guys get away with cheating.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kinda sucks when the bad guys get away with cheating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kinda sucks when the bad guys get away with cheating.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583190</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>danny\_lehman</author>
	<datestamp>1269357240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>here you go. you made me curious. <a href="http://www.filibustercartoons.com/allcountries.htm" title="filibustercartoons.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.filibustercartoons.com/allcountries.htm</a> [filibustercartoons.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>here you go .
you made me curious .
http : //www.filibustercartoons.com/allcountries.htm [ filibustercartoons.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>here you go.
you made me curious.
http://www.filibustercartoons.com/allcountries.htm [filibustercartoons.com]</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31585576</id>
	<title>Unsupported assumptions.</title>
	<author>nuckfuts</author>
	<datestamp>1269366480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The fact is that most Windows users firstly don't care what runs on their computer, and secondly don't use even a non-negligible fraction their computer's power.</p></div><p>What a moronic statement. Where exactly did you pull this "fact" from? A common side-effect of malware infection is noticeably slow system performance, and I can assure you that users do care when their computers are sluggish to respond. If Windows users didn't care what ran on their computers, there would not be a huge worldwide market for antivirus software.</p><p>As for Windows users not using a "non-negligible" fraction of their computers power, that's equally moronic. Are you suggesting that, (as a Linux user perhaps), your disk is constantly grinding, or that your CPU or other resources are frequently pinned? If so, is that something to feel smug about?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact is that most Windows users firstly do n't care what runs on their computer , and secondly do n't use even a non-negligible fraction their computer 's power.What a moronic statement .
Where exactly did you pull this " fact " from ?
A common side-effect of malware infection is noticeably slow system performance , and I can assure you that users do care when their computers are sluggish to respond .
If Windows users did n't care what ran on their computers , there would not be a huge worldwide market for antivirus software.As for Windows users not using a " non-negligible " fraction of their computers power , that 's equally moronic .
Are you suggesting that , ( as a Linux user perhaps ) , your disk is constantly grinding , or that your CPU or other resources are frequently pinned ?
If so , is that something to feel smug about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact is that most Windows users firstly don't care what runs on their computer, and secondly don't use even a non-negligible fraction their computer's power.What a moronic statement.
Where exactly did you pull this "fact" from?
A common side-effect of malware infection is noticeably slow system performance, and I can assure you that users do care when their computers are sluggish to respond.
If Windows users didn't care what ran on their computers, there would not be a huge worldwide market for antivirus software.As for Windows users not using a "non-negligible" fraction of their computers power, that's equally moronic.
Are you suggesting that, (as a Linux user perhaps), your disk is constantly grinding, or that your CPU or other resources are frequently pinned?
If so, is that something to feel smug about?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31586278</id>
	<title>Re:Hey You...</title>
	<author>religious freak</author>
	<datestamp>1269369060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh man, I can tell this is going to be stuck in my head for the rest of the day now!  <br> <br>
Here's a vid, in case anyone wants a fix (or to know what you're talking about): <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqu69\_rolling-stones-get-off-of-my-cloud\_music" title="dailymotion.com">http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqu69\_rolling-stones-get-off-of-my-cloud\_music</a> [dailymotion.com] <br> <br>
Mick "dances" like a freak...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh man , I can tell this is going to be stuck in my head for the rest of the day now !
Here 's a vid , in case anyone wants a fix ( or to know what you 're talking about ) : http : //www.dailymotion.com/video/xqu69 \ _rolling-stones-get-off-of-my-cloud \ _music [ dailymotion.com ] Mick " dances " like a freak.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh man, I can tell this is going to be stuck in my head for the rest of the day now!
Here's a vid, in case anyone wants a fix (or to know what you're talking about): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqu69\_rolling-stones-get-off-of-my-cloud\_music [dailymotion.com]  
Mick "dances" like a freak...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582864</id>
	<title>interesting...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269355860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So it's actually Windows which is good at distributed computing...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So it 's actually Windows which is good at distributed computing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So it's actually Windows which is good at distributed computing...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582608</id>
	<title>where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269354900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And they came up with that number how?</p><p>28 terabit/s == 28.000 gigabit/s == 28.000.000 megabit/s</p><p>28.000.000 megabit/s / 6.400.000 systems would average out to 4.375 megabit/s AVERAGE bit rate over those 6 1/2 million systems in 230 countries...  (oh - and to fully utilize that, it would also require the UPLOAD rate to be in the same ballpark figure; to have more than 4 megabit/s upload speed on average over that many systems in that many countries...?)</p><p>18.000.000 cpus in 6.400.000 systems is on AVERAGE 2.812 CPUs per system - so, most of the systems would already have been dual or even quad cores...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...oh - and in order to qualify such numbers, that would have to be the average number of systems online at any given moment; if half of them are switched off (while someone is asleep, away,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...) - the numbers go down.</p><p>I would believe, that conficker and similar botnets are huge, but the numbers depend strongly on 'estimates'. Also, if conficker really managed to 'rent out' the computing power, the botnet would likely quickly decrease in size, as more and more people would take their systems to repairs, because they are so slow all of a sudden...)</p><p>So, how do they get to those numbers?  Apart from, obviously, pulling them out of thin air?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and apart from the desire, to get the name of the company coming up with the number out on slashdot?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And they came up with that number how ? 28 terabit/s = = 28.000 gigabit/s = = 28.000.000 megabit/s28.000.000 megabit/s / 6.400.000 systems would average out to 4.375 megabit/s AVERAGE bit rate over those 6 1/2 million systems in 230 countries... ( oh - and to fully utilize that , it would also require the UPLOAD rate to be in the same ballpark figure ; to have more than 4 megabit/s upload speed on average over that many systems in that many countries... ?
) 18.000.000 cpus in 6.400.000 systems is on AVERAGE 2.812 CPUs per system - so , most of the systems would already have been dual or even quad cores... ...oh - and in order to qualify such numbers , that would have to be the average number of systems online at any given moment ; if half of them are switched off ( while someone is asleep , away , ... ) - the numbers go down.I would believe , that conficker and similar botnets are huge , but the numbers depend strongly on 'estimates' .
Also , if conficker really managed to 'rent out ' the computing power , the botnet would likely quickly decrease in size , as more and more people would take their systems to repairs , because they are so slow all of a sudden... ) So , how do they get to those numbers ?
Apart from , obviously , pulling them out of thin air ?
...and apart from the desire , to get the name of the company coming up with the number out on slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And they came up with that number how?28 terabit/s == 28.000 gigabit/s == 28.000.000 megabit/s28.000.000 megabit/s / 6.400.000 systems would average out to 4.375 megabit/s AVERAGE bit rate over those 6 1/2 million systems in 230 countries...  (oh - and to fully utilize that, it would also require the UPLOAD rate to be in the same ballpark figure; to have more than 4 megabit/s upload speed on average over that many systems in that many countries...?
)18.000.000 cpus in 6.400.000 systems is on AVERAGE 2.812 CPUs per system - so, most of the systems would already have been dual or even quad cores... ...oh - and in order to qualify such numbers, that would have to be the average number of systems online at any given moment; if half of them are switched off (while someone is asleep, away, ...) - the numbers go down.I would believe, that conficker and similar botnets are huge, but the numbers depend strongly on 'estimates'.
Also, if conficker really managed to 'rent out' the computing power, the botnet would likely quickly decrease in size, as more and more people would take their systems to repairs, because they are so slow all of a sudden...)So, how do they get to those numbers?
Apart from, obviously, pulling them out of thin air?
...and apart from the desire, to get the name of the company coming up with the number out on slashdot?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582922</id>
	<title>Re:How long before...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269356100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; How long before these botnets are so big and complex that they become similar in structure to the human brain and start thinking on their own?</p><p><a href="http://www.theonion.com/video/voting-machines-elect-one-of-their-own-as-presiden,14286/" title="theonion.com" rel="nofollow">Now?</a> [theonion.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; How long before these botnets are so big and complex that they become similar in structure to the human brain and start thinking on their own ? Now ?
[ theonion.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; How long before these botnets are so big and complex that they become similar in structure to the human brain and start thinking on their own?Now?
[theonion.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582768</id>
	<title>shit. people...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269355500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>lets not give google any ideas here... you already allowed them into your systems for email, chat, photos and god knows what else... they are in the perfect position for that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>lets not give google any ideas here... you already allowed them into your systems for email , chat , photos and god knows what else... they are in the perfect position for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lets not give google any ideas here... you already allowed them into your systems for email, chat, photos and god knows what else... they are in the perfect position for that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31594174</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269367560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. The 230 could possibly represent the top 230 internet provider domains (ie aol.com rr.com verizon.com  etc etc etc), in which case:<br>2. 4.4Mbit download is a pretty low average, since most of the aforementioned offer far greater (10-30Mbit) standard. Having said that:     (having said that pt II, transit bandwidth within the USA is only somewhere between 4 and 10 Tbit, so really that is the limit)<br>3. Yes, the upload bandwidth is infinitely more important, as you can actually:<br>4. Using sophisticated DDoS techniques, you could easily achieve results effective to 10Kbit/s removing 1Mbit/s of connectivity. put another way, a single home ADSL user could knock a 100Mbit server off the internet.</p><p>5. 18 million cpus across 6.4 million systems isn't too hard to believe, especially if you assume all those intel with HT are double what they actually are. ie, there are dual/quad/oct core systems out there, suddenly 18 mil isn't very much at all.</p><p>I know many<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. users are cynical as anything, but seriously it seems to be even more silly to do your own quick analysis of the data and get it totally wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
The 230 could possibly represent the top 230 internet provider domains ( ie aol.com rr.com verizon.com etc etc etc ) , in which case : 2 .
4.4Mbit download is a pretty low average , since most of the aforementioned offer far greater ( 10-30Mbit ) standard .
Having said that : ( having said that pt II , transit bandwidth within the USA is only somewhere between 4 and 10 Tbit , so really that is the limit ) 3 .
Yes , the upload bandwidth is infinitely more important , as you can actually : 4 .
Using sophisticated DDoS techniques , you could easily achieve results effective to 10Kbit/s removing 1Mbit/s of connectivity .
put another way , a single home ADSL user could knock a 100Mbit server off the internet.5 .
18 million cpus across 6.4 million systems is n't too hard to believe , especially if you assume all those intel with HT are double what they actually are .
ie , there are dual/quad/oct core systems out there , suddenly 18 mil is n't very much at all.I know many / .
users are cynical as anything , but seriously it seems to be even more silly to do your own quick analysis of the data and get it totally wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
The 230 could possibly represent the top 230 internet provider domains (ie aol.com rr.com verizon.com  etc etc etc), in which case:2.
4.4Mbit download is a pretty low average, since most of the aforementioned offer far greater (10-30Mbit) standard.
Having said that:     (having said that pt II, transit bandwidth within the USA is only somewhere between 4 and 10 Tbit, so really that is the limit)3.
Yes, the upload bandwidth is infinitely more important, as you can actually:4.
Using sophisticated DDoS techniques, you could easily achieve results effective to 10Kbit/s removing 1Mbit/s of connectivity.
put another way, a single home ADSL user could knock a 100Mbit server off the internet.5.
18 million cpus across 6.4 million systems isn't too hard to believe, especially if you assume all those intel with HT are double what they actually are.
ie, there are dual/quad/oct core systems out there, suddenly 18 mil isn't very much at all.I know many /.
users are cynical as anything, but seriously it seems to be even more silly to do your own quick analysis of the data and get it totally wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31586190</id>
	<title>Re:Could be put to good use</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269368700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone's going to do it. Might as well be the good guys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone 's going to do it .
Might as well be the good guys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone's going to do it.
Might as well be the good guys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583188</id>
	<title>Re:How long before...</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1269357240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't that question apply to the Internet in general?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't that question apply to the Internet in general ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't that question apply to the Internet in general?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582994</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>Galestar</author>
	<datestamp>1269356460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>18.000.000 cpus in 6.400.000 systems is on AVERAGE 2.812 CPUs</p></div><p>
Okay, fine.  You want to use periods instead of commas for separating thousands... at least have the decency of using a different separator to mark the decimal point!  Does your "2.812" actually mean "2,812" or "2.812"? My calculator tells me that its "2.812", but why should I have to re-do your calculations just to read what you've written?  <br>
<br>
I find it hard to believe that so many people mod-ed you up to 5: Insightful when I doubt half those people actually read (and were able to understand) what you were talking about.  Chalk it up to the phenomenon of mod points just for filling up space.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>18.000.000 cpus in 6.400.000 systems is on AVERAGE 2.812 CPUs Okay , fine .
You want to use periods instead of commas for separating thousands... at least have the decency of using a different separator to mark the decimal point !
Does your " 2.812 " actually mean " 2,812 " or " 2.812 " ?
My calculator tells me that its " 2.812 " , but why should I have to re-do your calculations just to read what you 've written ?
I find it hard to believe that so many people mod-ed you up to 5 : Insightful when I doubt half those people actually read ( and were able to understand ) what you were talking about .
Chalk it up to the phenomenon of mod points just for filling up space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>18.000.000 cpus in 6.400.000 systems is on AVERAGE 2.812 CPUs
Okay, fine.
You want to use periods instead of commas for separating thousands... at least have the decency of using a different separator to mark the decimal point!
Does your "2.812" actually mean "2,812" or "2.812"?
My calculator tells me that its "2.812", but why should I have to re-do your calculations just to read what you've written?
I find it hard to believe that so many people mod-ed you up to 5: Insightful when I doubt half those people actually read (and were able to understand) what you were talking about.
Chalk it up to the phenomenon of mod points just for filling up space.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582700</id>
	<title>Cloud providers?</title>
	<author>advocate\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1269355260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>bollox...</htmltext>
<tokenext>bollox.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>bollox...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583426</id>
	<title>Ya Know...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269358200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would much rather have Googles 500k machines than cornflickers 6 million e-machines any day of the week</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would much rather have Googles 500k machines than cornflickers 6 million e-machines any day of the week</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would much rather have Googles 500k machines than cornflickers 6 million e-machines any day of the week</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582886</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>ZorbaTHut</author>
	<datestamp>1269355980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Also, if conficker really managed to 'rent out' the computing power, the botnet would likely quickly decrease in size, as more and more people would take their systems to repairs, because they are so slow all of a sudden...)</p></div></blockquote><p>You'd be surprised how true that isn't. Even Windows is reasonably good at idletime priority processes - unless they intentionally used CPU that the user was trying to use, people would probably never notice.</p><p>A bigger problem is that there are very few useful problems that are practical to calculate on a distributed botnet of that fashion. It's been tried and failed before, more than once - most real-world problems involve large databases of confidential data, which is obviously inappropriate for a network like this on multiple levels.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , if conficker really managed to 'rent out ' the computing power , the botnet would likely quickly decrease in size , as more and more people would take their systems to repairs , because they are so slow all of a sudden... ) You 'd be surprised how true that is n't .
Even Windows is reasonably good at idletime priority processes - unless they intentionally used CPU that the user was trying to use , people would probably never notice.A bigger problem is that there are very few useful problems that are practical to calculate on a distributed botnet of that fashion .
It 's been tried and failed before , more than once - most real-world problems involve large databases of confidential data , which is obviously inappropriate for a network like this on multiple levels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, if conficker really managed to 'rent out' the computing power, the botnet would likely quickly decrease in size, as more and more people would take their systems to repairs, because they are so slow all of a sudden...)You'd be surprised how true that isn't.
Even Windows is reasonably good at idletime priority processes - unless they intentionally used CPU that the user was trying to use, people would probably never notice.A bigger problem is that there are very few useful problems that are practical to calculate on a distributed botnet of that fashion.
It's been tried and failed before, more than once - most real-world problems involve large databases of confidential data, which is obviously inappropriate for a network like this on multiple levels.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583286</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269357660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I find it hard to believe that so many people mod-ed you up to 5: Insightful when I doubt half those people actually read (and were able to understand) what you were talking about</p></div><p>Alternatively, *you* weren't able to follow the pretty simple math and are blaming GP and moderators both for your shortcoming?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it hard to believe that so many people mod-ed you up to 5 : Insightful when I doubt half those people actually read ( and were able to understand ) what you were talking aboutAlternatively , * you * were n't able to follow the pretty simple math and are blaming GP and moderators both for your shortcoming ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it hard to believe that so many people mod-ed you up to 5: Insightful when I doubt half those people actually read (and were able to understand) what you were talking aboutAlternatively, *you* weren't able to follow the pretty simple math and are blaming GP and moderators both for your shortcoming?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31596920</id>
	<title>How they got the numbers.</title>
	<author>hellop2</author>
	<datestamp>1269442500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe computer systems include virtual servers.  And virtual servers are usually run on computers with multiple CPUs with high bandwidth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe computer systems include virtual servers .
And virtual servers are usually run on computers with multiple CPUs with high bandwidth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe computer systems include virtual servers.
And virtual servers are usually run on computers with multiple CPUs with high bandwidth.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583104</id>
	<title>Could be put to good use</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269356880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fact is that most Windows users firstly don't care what runs on their computer, and secondly don't use even a non-negligible fraction their computer's power.</p><p>Suggestions have been made, by frustrated sysadmins, for a "destructive" counter-virus, a large-scale attack that cripples botnets by destroying infected computers. That's not only morally wrong but also just impractical - the average computer user just buys a new computer, and all the virus does is destroy property to satisfy lust for vengeance. Value is lost.</p><p>A more practical idea may be to re-purpose this vast resource of free computing power and put it to better use than churning out advertisements. A botnet worm could instead hook these computers up to a grid computing project like Folding or SETI, or distributed file transfer, cloud storage, providing uncensored communication to authoritarian countries. The worm could at the same time inoculate computers against more damaging viruses and botnets. The user gets free protection instead of the overpriced crud by McAfee &amp; co; the world gets free computing infrastructure, the internet gets less spam. Everybody gains value.</p><p>It would be like a very lenient security tax - for letting their computers pose a risk to the network at large, users donate a share of their computing power/bandwidth for the good of society, at no real cost to themselves.</p><p>(And yes, the obvious ethical dilemma here is whether it is morally wrong to manipulate a person's property without their knowledge or consent, even to their own benefit. This suggestion takes a strict utilitarian perspective, which doesn't always lead to the best option.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact is that most Windows users firstly do n't care what runs on their computer , and secondly do n't use even a non-negligible fraction their computer 's power.Suggestions have been made , by frustrated sysadmins , for a " destructive " counter-virus , a large-scale attack that cripples botnets by destroying infected computers .
That 's not only morally wrong but also just impractical - the average computer user just buys a new computer , and all the virus does is destroy property to satisfy lust for vengeance .
Value is lost.A more practical idea may be to re-purpose this vast resource of free computing power and put it to better use than churning out advertisements .
A botnet worm could instead hook these computers up to a grid computing project like Folding or SETI , or distributed file transfer , cloud storage , providing uncensored communication to authoritarian countries .
The worm could at the same time inoculate computers against more damaging viruses and botnets .
The user gets free protection instead of the overpriced crud by McAfee &amp; co ; the world gets free computing infrastructure , the internet gets less spam .
Everybody gains value.It would be like a very lenient security tax - for letting their computers pose a risk to the network at large , users donate a share of their computing power/bandwidth for the good of society , at no real cost to themselves .
( And yes , the obvious ethical dilemma here is whether it is morally wrong to manipulate a person 's property without their knowledge or consent , even to their own benefit .
This suggestion takes a strict utilitarian perspective , which does n't always lead to the best option .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact is that most Windows users firstly don't care what runs on their computer, and secondly don't use even a non-negligible fraction their computer's power.Suggestions have been made, by frustrated sysadmins, for a "destructive" counter-virus, a large-scale attack that cripples botnets by destroying infected computers.
That's not only morally wrong but also just impractical - the average computer user just buys a new computer, and all the virus does is destroy property to satisfy lust for vengeance.
Value is lost.A more practical idea may be to re-purpose this vast resource of free computing power and put it to better use than churning out advertisements.
A botnet worm could instead hook these computers up to a grid computing project like Folding or SETI, or distributed file transfer, cloud storage, providing uncensored communication to authoritarian countries.
The worm could at the same time inoculate computers against more damaging viruses and botnets.
The user gets free protection instead of the overpriced crud by McAfee &amp; co; the world gets free computing infrastructure, the internet gets less spam.
Everybody gains value.It would be like a very lenient security tax - for letting their computers pose a risk to the network at large, users donate a share of their computing power/bandwidth for the good of society, at no real cost to themselves.
(And yes, the obvious ethical dilemma here is whether it is morally wrong to manipulate a person's property without their knowledge or consent, even to their own benefit.
This suggestion takes a strict utilitarian perspective, which doesn't always lead to the best option.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582956</id>
	<title>Curious how these compare to the voluntary botnets</title>
	<author>cmiller173</author>
	<datestamp>1269356220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about a comparison to say folding@home or other distributed projects?  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_distributed\_computing\_projects" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_distributed\_computing\_projects</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about a comparison to say folding @ home or other distributed projects ?
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List \ _of \ _distributed \ _computing \ _projects [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about a comparison to say folding@home or other distributed projects?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_distributed\_computing\_projects [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582992</id>
	<title>Re:Something where academia should learn from</title>
	<author>WillAdams</author>
	<datestamp>1269356400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe you want access to systems running xGrid:</p><p><a href="http://www.macresearch.org/openmacgrid" title="macresearch.org">http://www.macresearch.org/openmacgrid</a> [macresearch.org]</p><p>William</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe you want access to systems running xGrid : http : //www.macresearch.org/openmacgrid [ macresearch.org ] William</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe you want access to systems running xGrid:http://www.macresearch.org/openmacgrid [macresearch.org]William</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31585070</id>
	<title>Re:Could be put to good use</title>
	<author>flappinbooger</author>
	<datestamp>1269364800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I could foresee that happening on a national level some day.  <br> <br>When you get your computer with windows 12 on it you automatically are a part of the ISA Net.  ISA Net is the Information Safety Administration Network, and it is a vast command and control network providing constant real-time analysis of your computer for security purposes.  Constant registry and system file monitoring.  Once a threat is found on one if the ISA Net computers the signature is instantly propagated throughout the network, instantly squashing any attempt at subterfuge.<br> <br>Failure to "participate" in the ISA Net is an immediate red flag that you are a terrorist at worst, a non-patriot at best, and re-education will be mandated - at your own expense.  Obviously, "non-compliant" operating systems like the archaic and cobbled together linux will be forbidden, as they are a threat to national security and are only used by "information terrorists".</htmltext>
<tokenext>I could foresee that happening on a national level some day .
When you get your computer with windows 12 on it you automatically are a part of the ISA Net .
ISA Net is the Information Safety Administration Network , and it is a vast command and control network providing constant real-time analysis of your computer for security purposes .
Constant registry and system file monitoring .
Once a threat is found on one if the ISA Net computers the signature is instantly propagated throughout the network , instantly squashing any attempt at subterfuge .
Failure to " participate " in the ISA Net is an immediate red flag that you are a terrorist at worst , a non-patriot at best , and re-education will be mandated - at your own expense .
Obviously , " non-compliant " operating systems like the archaic and cobbled together linux will be forbidden , as they are a threat to national security and are only used by " information terrorists " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could foresee that happening on a national level some day.
When you get your computer with windows 12 on it you automatically are a part of the ISA Net.
ISA Net is the Information Safety Administration Network, and it is a vast command and control network providing constant real-time analysis of your computer for security purposes.
Constant registry and system file monitoring.
Once a threat is found on one if the ISA Net computers the signature is instantly propagated throughout the network, instantly squashing any attempt at subterfuge.
Failure to "participate" in the ISA Net is an immediate red flag that you are a terrorist at worst, a non-patriot at best, and re-education will be mandated - at your own expense.
Obviously, "non-compliant" operating systems like the archaic and cobbled together linux will be forbidden, as they are a threat to national security and are only used by "information terrorists".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583522</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269358560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using anything for a thousands separator is an unforgivable sin in computer science. What happens when you put the data in a whitespace seperated format like xml? What happens when you put the data in a comma seperated format like CSV? What happens some dumbshit converts using a different localization format?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using anything for a thousands separator is an unforgivable sin in computer science .
What happens when you put the data in a whitespace seperated format like xml ?
What happens when you put the data in a comma seperated format like CSV ?
What happens some dumbshit converts using a different localization format ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using anything for a thousands separator is an unforgivable sin in computer science.
What happens when you put the data in a whitespace seperated format like xml?
What happens when you put the data in a comma seperated format like CSV?
What happens some dumbshit converts using a different localization format?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31585396</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>epine</author>
	<datestamp>1269365820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Using anything for a thousands separator is an unforgivable sin in computer science.</p></div><p>From the internal Google storage report, all nodes considered:</p><p>19182135223730150 bytes free.</p><p>Time to worry?  Or back to your copy of Hadoop Monthly?</p><p>Computer science will become so much easier once the sloppy wetware is eliminated from the data and control chains.  We can't even eyeball a simple group of 20 FFS.</p><p>Here's a popular joke on the cyborg circuit.  Why did the rabbi, the priest, and the minister vote to leave the Muhammad standing on the sidewalk outside the pub?  Because the stupid humans can't count that high and it would ruin the joke.  Har.  It's a real digital knee slapper.  Between the lines, the computers are beginning to suspect we're a mite touchy about certain subjects.</p><p>It won't be long before the computers are chattering to each other, hey, have you heard joke about humans #19182135223730150?  It's a real knee slapper.</p><p>0.6 x 10^10 humans are trapped on a ball of mud.  The first human says<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  [7109mS later]  Funny!  That's a <i>nice</i> one.  Too bad it ended so soon.  Brain the size of a planet, and they've got us shuffling packets all day.  Say, have you seen the 32,768 piece ending in Boltzmann chess?  It's quite cute once you solve the nested attractors.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Using anything for a thousands separator is an unforgivable sin in computer science.From the internal Google storage report , all nodes considered : 19182135223730150 bytes free.Time to worry ?
Or back to your copy of Hadoop Monthly ? Computer science will become so much easier once the sloppy wetware is eliminated from the data and control chains .
We ca n't even eyeball a simple group of 20 FFS.Here 's a popular joke on the cyborg circuit .
Why did the rabbi , the priest , and the minister vote to leave the Muhammad standing on the sidewalk outside the pub ?
Because the stupid humans ca n't count that high and it would ruin the joke .
Har. It 's a real digital knee slapper .
Between the lines , the computers are beginning to suspect we 're a mite touchy about certain subjects.It wo n't be long before the computers are chattering to each other , hey , have you heard joke about humans # 19182135223730150 ?
It 's a real knee slapper.0.6 x 10 ^ 10 humans are trapped on a ball of mud .
The first human says ... [ 7109mS later ] Funny !
That 's a nice one .
Too bad it ended so soon .
Brain the size of a planet , and they 've got us shuffling packets all day .
Say , have you seen the 32,768 piece ending in Boltzmann chess ?
It 's quite cute once you solve the nested attractors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using anything for a thousands separator is an unforgivable sin in computer science.From the internal Google storage report, all nodes considered:19182135223730150 bytes free.Time to worry?
Or back to your copy of Hadoop Monthly?Computer science will become so much easier once the sloppy wetware is eliminated from the data and control chains.
We can't even eyeball a simple group of 20 FFS.Here's a popular joke on the cyborg circuit.
Why did the rabbi, the priest, and the minister vote to leave the Muhammad standing on the sidewalk outside the pub?
Because the stupid humans can't count that high and it would ruin the joke.
Har.  It's a real digital knee slapper.
Between the lines, the computers are beginning to suspect we're a mite touchy about certain subjects.It won't be long before the computers are chattering to each other, hey, have you heard joke about humans #19182135223730150?
It's a real knee slapper.0.6 x 10^10 humans are trapped on a ball of mud.
The first human says ...  [7109mS later]  Funny!
That's a nice one.
Too bad it ended so soon.
Brain the size of a planet, and they've got us shuffling packets all day.
Say, have you seen the 32,768 piece ending in Boltzmann chess?
It's quite cute once you solve the nested attractors.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582848</id>
	<title>Re:Cloud providers?</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1269355860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's perfectly valid to difference cloud based hosting and dedicated servers and so on. It's just an issue when some companies do it badly or customers don't understand what it really is. After all, it's just a network of servers who work on-demand. In addition it <i>should</i> offer backups and such, but these are always just per-contract service details and shouldn't be assumed.</p><p>Wikipedia has a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cloud\_computing.svg" title="wikipedia.org">good diagram</a> [wikipedia.org] on why "cloud computing" term makes sense. I really can't think of any better one.</p><p>In some cases it makes sense to offload the performance, hard drive, memory and bandwidth balancing to other people, in this case Amazon or other service. Sure you could buy new servers and do all of that yourself, but it's not always the best solution.</p><p>Like any tool, use it correctly when it makes sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's perfectly valid to difference cloud based hosting and dedicated servers and so on .
It 's just an issue when some companies do it badly or customers do n't understand what it really is .
After all , it 's just a network of servers who work on-demand .
In addition it should offer backups and such , but these are always just per-contract service details and should n't be assumed.Wikipedia has a good diagram [ wikipedia.org ] on why " cloud computing " term makes sense .
I really ca n't think of any better one.In some cases it makes sense to offload the performance , hard drive , memory and bandwidth balancing to other people , in this case Amazon or other service .
Sure you could buy new servers and do all of that yourself , but it 's not always the best solution.Like any tool , use it correctly when it makes sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's perfectly valid to difference cloud based hosting and dedicated servers and so on.
It's just an issue when some companies do it badly or customers don't understand what it really is.
After all, it's just a network of servers who work on-demand.
In addition it should offer backups and such, but these are always just per-contract service details and shouldn't be assumed.Wikipedia has a good diagram [wikipedia.org] on why "cloud computing" term makes sense.
I really can't think of any better one.In some cases it makes sense to offload the performance, hard drive, memory and bandwidth balancing to other people, in this case Amazon or other service.
Sure you could buy new servers and do all of that yourself, but it's not always the best solution.Like any tool, use it correctly when it makes sense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582906</id>
	<title>Re:How long before...</title>
	<author>Smidge207</author>
	<datestamp>1269356040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I think there was a movie about this concept...can't for the life of me remember what it was called...The Verminator? The Exterminator?</p><p>Damn, why has IMDb failed me now?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I think there was a movie about this concept...ca n't for the life of me remember what it was called...The Verminator ?
The Exterminator ? Damn , why has IMDb failed me now ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I think there was a movie about this concept...can't for the life of me remember what it was called...The Verminator?
The Exterminator?Damn, why has IMDb failed me now?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583126</id>
	<title>Nuclear cloud</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1269357000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not only does massive damage, affect the entire world climate, and those living around them mutates in so strange ways, that the only solution is reform... i mean, euthanasia.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only does massive damage , affect the entire world climate , and those living around them mutates in so strange ways , that the only solution is reform... i mean , euthanasia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only does massive damage, affect the entire world climate, and those living around them mutates in so strange ways, that the only solution is reform... i mean, euthanasia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31584664</id>
	<title>Re:How long before...</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1269363240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting and funny at the same time. And after all the funny replies let me give you a serious one.
</p><p>Botnets as we know them will never become anything like a neural network (let alone self-aware) simply because the nodes do not communicate with each other, but only receive commands from a central server. And all that inter-node communication is necessary for a neural network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting and funny at the same time .
And after all the funny replies let me give you a serious one .
Botnets as we know them will never become anything like a neural network ( let alone self-aware ) simply because the nodes do not communicate with each other , but only receive commands from a central server .
And all that inter-node communication is necessary for a neural network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting and funny at the same time.
And after all the funny replies let me give you a serious one.
Botnets as we know them will never become anything like a neural network (let alone self-aware) simply because the nodes do not communicate with each other, but only receive commands from a central server.
And all that inter-node communication is necessary for a neural network.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583706</id>
	<title>Botnets</title>
	<author>ziggybit</author>
	<datestamp>1269359400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Imagine a beowulf cluster of these...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine a beowulf cluster of these.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine a beowulf cluster of these...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582800</id>
	<title>How long before...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269355620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How long before these botnets are so big and complex that they become similar in structure to the human brain and start thinking on their own?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How long before these botnets are so big and complex that they become similar in structure to the human brain and start thinking on their own ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long before these botnets are so big and complex that they become similar in structure to the human brain and start thinking on their own?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31584294</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>bigredradio</author>
	<datestamp>1269361680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, with 230 countries, I am starting to question that 6.4 million computer number as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , with 230 countries , I am starting to question that 6.4 million computer number as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, with 230 countries, I am starting to question that 6.4 million computer number as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31591282</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>kextyn</author>
	<datestamp>1269347520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While a lot of Americans are limited to less than 4Mbps upload there are plenty of people in other countries (and even a lot in the US) who have faster connections.  I personally have a 100Mbps (up and down) connection in Japan.  I have seen above 90Mbps both ways in real world tests to an FTP server...in the US.  A lot of European countries have higher speeds and anyone on FiOS would have decent speeds at least.  I'm sure they're also including bandwidth from servers which are infected and have access to high bandwidth connections.  I wouldn't doubt that number but I'd like to see how they came up with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While a lot of Americans are limited to less than 4Mbps upload there are plenty of people in other countries ( and even a lot in the US ) who have faster connections .
I personally have a 100Mbps ( up and down ) connection in Japan .
I have seen above 90Mbps both ways in real world tests to an FTP server...in the US .
A lot of European countries have higher speeds and anyone on FiOS would have decent speeds at least .
I 'm sure they 're also including bandwidth from servers which are infected and have access to high bandwidth connections .
I would n't doubt that number but I 'd like to see how they came up with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While a lot of Americans are limited to less than 4Mbps upload there are plenty of people in other countries (and even a lot in the US) who have faster connections.
I personally have a 100Mbps (up and down) connection in Japan.
I have seen above 90Mbps both ways in real world tests to an FTP server...in the US.
A lot of European countries have higher speeds and anyone on FiOS would have decent speeds at least.
I'm sure they're also including bandwidth from servers which are infected and have access to high bandwidth connections.
I wouldn't doubt that number but I'd like to see how they came up with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582930</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269356160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't even figure out how they got to 230 countries. The UN has 192 members, Wikipedia lists 203 <i>de jure</i> and <i>de facto</i> states.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't even figure out how they got to 230 countries .
The UN has 192 members , Wikipedia lists 203 de jure and de facto states .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't even figure out how they got to 230 countries.
The UN has 192 members, Wikipedia lists 203 de jure and de facto states.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31584468</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269362340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you include second life (and all of the countries there)? HMMMMMMMM?   Betcha didn't!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you include second life ( and all of the countries there ) ?
HMMMMMMMM ? Betcha did n't !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you include second life (and all of the countries there)?
HMMMMMMMM?   Betcha didn't!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583026</id>
	<title>Skynet is amongst us.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269356520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Judgment Day is approaching..........</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Judgment Day is approaching......... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Judgment Day is approaching..........</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583072</id>
	<title>There still is a difference</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1269356760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google will have availability of those 100\% of the day and 100\% of processor. The bot while impressive in numbers won't. People turn of their computers. Many for most of the day. And many of the cycles will still be used not for the Botnet, but for playing games and other things people do on their PC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google will have availability of those 100 \ % of the day and 100 \ % of processor .
The bot while impressive in numbers wo n't .
People turn of their computers .
Many for most of the day .
And many of the cycles will still be used not for the Botnet , but for playing games and other things people do on their PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google will have availability of those 100\% of the day and 100\% of processor.
The bot while impressive in numbers won't.
People turn of their computers.
Many for most of the day.
And many of the cycles will still be used not for the Botnet, but for playing games and other things people do on their PC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31586066</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1269368340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tend to agree that many glamorize the evidence they have to help construe certain facts about botnets and what not.<br>If we had a real number based on fingerprinting scheme, sort of like each one logged on marks itself in some way on a global scale, to then be able to document stats from, i am sure at any one time you will never have more then xxx active infected pcs....seeing as there is also timezones to consider and also when the control centers are temp. shot down either on purpose (to avoid detection) or by accident (forced shut downs)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tend to agree that many glamorize the evidence they have to help construe certain facts about botnets and what not.If we had a real number based on fingerprinting scheme , sort of like each one logged on marks itself in some way on a global scale , to then be able to document stats from , i am sure at any one time you will never have more then xxx active infected pcs....seeing as there is also timezones to consider and also when the control centers are temp .
shot down either on purpose ( to avoid detection ) or by accident ( forced shut downs )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tend to agree that many glamorize the evidence they have to help construe certain facts about botnets and what not.If we had a real number based on fingerprinting scheme, sort of like each one logged on marks itself in some way on a global scale, to then be able to document stats from, i am sure at any one time you will never have more then xxx active infected pcs....seeing as there is also timezones to consider and also when the control centers are temp.
shot down either on purpose (to avoid detection) or by accident (forced shut downs)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582854</id>
	<title>Microsoft is the biggest cloud provider ...</title>
	<author>Lazy Jones</author>
	<datestamp>1269355860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... with their 0-day exploitable Windows installations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... with their 0-day exploitable Windows installations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... with their 0-day exploitable Windows installations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31584280</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1269361620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Belgium"?  I call <a href="http://zapatopi.net/belgium/" title="zapatopi.net">bullshit on that list</a> [zapatopi.net].</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Belgium " ?
I call bullshit on that list [ zapatopi.net ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Belgium"?
I call bullshit on that list [zapatopi.net].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582844</id>
	<title>Re:How long before...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269355800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>dude... your killing my secret plan here, i have been working on joining different botnets together using AI technology, and the more botnets are connected, the more powerful they get</htmltext>
<tokenext>dude... your killing my secret plan here , i have been working on joining different botnets together using AI technology , and the more botnets are connected , the more powerful they get</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dude... your killing my secret plan here, i have been working on joining different botnets together using AI technology, and the more botnets are connected, the more powerful they get</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582800</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583132</id>
	<title>makes me nostalgic for the good old days</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1269357000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>when all we could do was imagine quaint toothless beowulf clusters of something</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>when all we could do was imagine quaint toothless beowulf clusters of something</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when all we could do was imagine quaint toothless beowulf clusters of something</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582820</id>
	<title>Something where academia should learn from</title>
	<author>Pegasus</author>
	<datestamp>1269355680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm impressed how while academia is all high on grids, billable cpu time, fault tolerant and robust distributed computing, in place live upgrades, all that is already in natural evolutional development out there in the wild. I'm sure that the botnet uptime numbers they get are much higher that any commercially available cloud, while running on household PCs with household broadband connectivity.</p><p>I think it's time to embrace the true nature of wild wild web. Where can I rent this botnet legally?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm impressed how while academia is all high on grids , billable cpu time , fault tolerant and robust distributed computing , in place live upgrades , all that is already in natural evolutional development out there in the wild .
I 'm sure that the botnet uptime numbers they get are much higher that any commercially available cloud , while running on household PCs with household broadband connectivity.I think it 's time to embrace the true nature of wild wild web .
Where can I rent this botnet legally ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm impressed how while academia is all high on grids, billable cpu time, fault tolerant and robust distributed computing, in place live upgrades, all that is already in natural evolutional development out there in the wild.
I'm sure that the botnet uptime numbers they get are much higher that any commercially available cloud, while running on household PCs with household broadband connectivity.I think it's time to embrace the true nature of wild wild web.
Where can I rent this botnet legally?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31584200</id>
	<title>Social engineering... The worst culprit...</title>
	<author>AgentMagneta</author>
	<datestamp>1269361320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I might be offending some people.

But botnets are not made by users who are technically proficent. Sometimes I find it interesting that you find Linux imperviuos to this threat... You would have to defend Linux like any other system... Just because, well most often than not it exploits the user. Not the os.

I am a user like no other. I use Windows 7 and many microsoft os:es. And I can never think of any time in my 25 years of using a computer I really caught a virus... Finally after 10:s of years I got a virus scanner, haha. But to this date I have never had any use for it. But I always recommend a virus scanner to my friends.

Virus operators just have to influence you personally to have a virus on your computer. Social engineering works much better than any technical exploit<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(

All you can do is to inform people of the dangers. And still we have people playing street games...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</htmltext>
<tokenext>I might be offending some people .
But botnets are not made by users who are technically proficent .
Sometimes I find it interesting that you find Linux imperviuos to this threat... You would have to defend Linux like any other system... Just because , well most often than not it exploits the user .
Not the os .
I am a user like no other .
I use Windows 7 and many microsoft os : es .
And I can never think of any time in my 25 years of using a computer I really caught a virus... Finally after 10 : s of years I got a virus scanner , haha .
But to this date I have never had any use for it .
But I always recommend a virus scanner to my friends .
Virus operators just have to influence you personally to have a virus on your computer .
Social engineering works much better than any technical exploit : ( All you can do is to inform people of the dangers .
And still we have people playing street games... : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I might be offending some people.
But botnets are not made by users who are technically proficent.
Sometimes I find it interesting that you find Linux imperviuos to this threat... You would have to defend Linux like any other system... Just because, well most often than not it exploits the user.
Not the os.
I am a user like no other.
I use Windows 7 and many microsoft os:es.
And I can never think of any time in my 25 years of using a computer I really caught a virus... Finally after 10:s of years I got a virus scanner, haha.
But to this date I have never had any use for it.
But I always recommend a virus scanner to my friends.
Virus operators just have to influence you personally to have a virus on your computer.
Social engineering works much better than any technical exploit :(

All you can do is to inform people of the dangers.
And still we have people playing street games... :D</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583122</id>
	<title>Re:Something where academia should learn from</title>
	<author>bunratty</author>
	<datestamp>1269357000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Where can I rent this botnet legally?</p></div></blockquote><p>
<a href="http://boinc.berkeley.edu/" title="berkeley.edu">BOINC</a> [berkeley.edu] is an academic platform to do exactly what you describe.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where can I rent this botnet legally ?
BOINC [ berkeley.edu ] is an academic platform to do exactly what you describe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where can I rent this botnet legally?
BOINC [berkeley.edu] is an academic platform to do exactly what you describe.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583094</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>bunratty</author>
	<datestamp>1269356820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>A bigger problem is that there are very few useful problems that are practical to calculate on a distributed botnet of that fashion. It's been tried and failed before, more than once - most real-world problems involve large databases of confidential data, which is obviously inappropriate for a network like this on multiple levels.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Probably a bigger problem is that not many useful problems are "embarrassingly parallel". The nodes performing the computations need fast communication between other nodes in most parallel algorithms. The distributed algorithms that can be farmed out to idle computers need no communication with other nodes -- they perform work on the unit they were given and send the results back when they're done.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A bigger problem is that there are very few useful problems that are practical to calculate on a distributed botnet of that fashion .
It 's been tried and failed before , more than once - most real-world problems involve large databases of confidential data , which is obviously inappropriate for a network like this on multiple levels .
Probably a bigger problem is that not many useful problems are " embarrassingly parallel " .
The nodes performing the computations need fast communication between other nodes in most parallel algorithms .
The distributed algorithms that can be farmed out to idle computers need no communication with other nodes -- they perform work on the unit they were given and send the results back when they 're done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A bigger problem is that there are very few useful problems that are practical to calculate on a distributed botnet of that fashion.
It's been tried and failed before, more than once - most real-world problems involve large databases of confidential data, which is obviously inappropriate for a network like this on multiple levels.
Probably a bigger problem is that not many useful problems are "embarrassingly parallel".
The nodes performing the computations need fast communication between other nodes in most parallel algorithms.
The distributed algorithms that can be farmed out to idle computers need no communication with other nodes -- they perform work on the unit they were given and send the results back when they're done.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583234</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269357420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And what about the number of countries, 230 ?? This site (http://www.worldatlas.com/nations.htm) does not agree and comes in under 200.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And what about the number of countries , 230 ? ?
This site ( http : //www.worldatlas.com/nations.htm ) does not agree and comes in under 200 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what about the number of countries, 230 ??
This site (http://www.worldatlas.com/nations.htm) does not agree and comes in under 200.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31582608</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31589012</id>
	<title>Re:Something where academia should learn from</title>
	<author>cbiltcliffe</author>
	<datestamp>1269337320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>At a place that legally sells illegally obtained resources.</p></div><p>So, a government auction?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>At a place that legally sells illegally obtained resources.So , a government auction ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At a place that legally sells illegally obtained resources.So, a government auction?
:)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583022</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_1226241.31583476</id>
	<title>Re:where did they get their numbers from?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269358380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's a really simple question,<br>
&nbsp; Are all these Millions inept and  don't have major updated anti-virus on these machines ? or is this saying that anti-virus mostly  doesn't work? I'd really like to hear  educated answers to this question</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a really simple question ,   Are all these Millions inept and do n't have major updated anti-virus on these machines ?
or is this saying that anti-virus mostly does n't work ?
I 'd really like to hear educated answers to this question</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a really simple question,
  Are all these Millions inept and  don't have major updated anti-virus on these machines ?
or is this saying that anti-virus mostly  doesn't work?
I'd really like to hear  educated answers to this question</sentencetext>
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