<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_23_0335204</id>
	<title>Later School Start For Teenagers Brings Drop In Absenteeism</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269337020000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>krou writes <i>"Monkseaton High School in North Tyneside, UK, began an experiment in October that saw its 800 pupils ranging in age from 13-19 attend school an hour later than normal, at 10am. Early results indicate that '<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8579951.stm">general absence has dropped by 8\% and persistent absenteeism by 27\%</a>.' Head teacher Paul Kelley supported the idea because he believed that 'it was now medically established that it was better for teenagers to start their school day later in terms of their mental and physical health and how they learn better in the afternoon', and he now claims that the children are becoming 'happier better educated teenagers' as a result of the experiment. The experiment is being overseen by Oxford neuroscience professor Russell Foster. 'He performed memory tests on pupils at the school which suggested the more difficult lessons should take place in the afternoon. He said young people's body clocks may shift as they reach their teenage years &mdash; meaning they want to get up later not because they are lazy but because they are biologically programmed to do.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>krou writes " Monkseaton High School in North Tyneside , UK , began an experiment in October that saw its 800 pupils ranging in age from 13-19 attend school an hour later than normal , at 10am .
Early results indicate that 'general absence has dropped by 8 \ % and persistent absenteeism by 27 \ % .
' Head teacher Paul Kelley supported the idea because he believed that 'it was now medically established that it was better for teenagers to start their school day later in terms of their mental and physical health and how they learn better in the afternoon ' , and he now claims that the children are becoming 'happier better educated teenagers ' as a result of the experiment .
The experiment is being overseen by Oxford neuroscience professor Russell Foster .
'He performed memory tests on pupils at the school which suggested the more difficult lessons should take place in the afternoon .
He said young people 's body clocks may shift as they reach their teenage years    meaning they want to get up later not because they are lazy but because they are biologically programmed to do .
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<sentencetext>krou writes "Monkseaton High School in North Tyneside, UK, began an experiment in October that saw its 800 pupils ranging in age from 13-19 attend school an hour later than normal, at 10am.
Early results indicate that 'general absence has dropped by 8\% and persistent absenteeism by 27\%.
' Head teacher Paul Kelley supported the idea because he believed that 'it was now medically established that it was better for teenagers to start their school day later in terms of their mental and physical health and how they learn better in the afternoon', and he now claims that the children are becoming 'happier better educated teenagers' as a result of the experiment.
The experiment is being overseen by Oxford neuroscience professor Russell Foster.
'He performed memory tests on pupils at the school which suggested the more difficult lessons should take place in the afternoon.
He said young people's body clocks may shift as they reach their teenage years — meaning they want to get up later not because they are lazy but because they are biologically programmed to do.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31583402</id>
	<title>Wow, 9am?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269358080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>European schools start at 9am?</p><p>Lucky devils, when I graduated high school about 6 years ago, we had to be IN CLASS at 7:30am. It's pretty sad when kids need to leave for school before parents need to leave for work. But alas, that's the American education system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>European schools start at 9am ? Lucky devils , when I graduated high school about 6 years ago , we had to be IN CLASS at 7 : 30am .
It 's pretty sad when kids need to leave for school before parents need to leave for work .
But alas , that 's the American education system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>European schools start at 9am?Lucky devils, when I graduated high school about 6 years ago, we had to be IN CLASS at 7:30am.
It's pretty sad when kids need to leave for school before parents need to leave for work.
But alas, that's the American education system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31584140</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>level\_headed\_midwest</author>
	<datestamp>1269361140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'll just have sports practice in the morning. That would frequently happen with certain sports when I was in high school as one group would use the gym after school and another would use it before school. It wasn't a big deal for the morning group to show up at 6:30 (school started at 8:00), so it should be even less of a problem if school started at 10:00. Shoot, summer workouts when there was no school in session generally started at 7:00-8:00 because it gets so bloody hot outside in the summer here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll just have sports practice in the morning .
That would frequently happen with certain sports when I was in high school as one group would use the gym after school and another would use it before school .
It was n't a big deal for the morning group to show up at 6 : 30 ( school started at 8 : 00 ) , so it should be even less of a problem if school started at 10 : 00 .
Shoot , summer workouts when there was no school in session generally started at 7 : 00-8 : 00 because it gets so bloody hot outside in the summer here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll just have sports practice in the morning.
That would frequently happen with certain sports when I was in high school as one group would use the gym after school and another would use it before school.
It wasn't a big deal for the morning group to show up at 6:30 (school started at 8:00), so it should be even less of a problem if school started at 10:00.
Shoot, summer workouts when there was no school in session generally started at 7:00-8:00 because it gets so bloody hot outside in the summer here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31582898</id>
	<title>Biting Cynacism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269355980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Within the US, why are we even bothering to send them to school anymore? It's not like one has to work anymore to subsist. If the majority keeps voting socialist, I'm sure our government would be more than happy to cover their cost of living.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Within the US , why are we even bothering to send them to school anymore ?
It 's not like one has to work anymore to subsist .
If the majority keeps voting socialist , I 'm sure our government would be more than happy to cover their cost of living .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Within the US, why are we even bothering to send them to school anymore?
It's not like one has to work anymore to subsist.
If the majority keeps voting socialist, I'm sure our government would be more than happy to cover their cost of living.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581438</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>Velex</author>
	<datestamp>1269347400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can appreciate the justification given for the experiment, but real working life doesn't run to that timetable, so unless there's a major shift in that respect, a lot of young adults are going to be in for a bit of a shock when they join the real world and seek employment.</p></div><p>
I didn't have a job that started before 10 AM-11 AM until I was 22.  Then that company went belly-up, and I didn't get another position that started before 3 PM until I was 26.  When I was in college, there was only one class I needed to schedule before 10 AM.
</p><p>
The older I get the more I learn the real world is completely out of whack from what I was told to expect as a kid, and I'd appreciate it if those of you who live in your fantasy "real world" would just shove it.  Thank you.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can appreciate the justification given for the experiment , but real working life does n't run to that timetable , so unless there 's a major shift in that respect , a lot of young adults are going to be in for a bit of a shock when they join the real world and seek employment .
I did n't have a job that started before 10 AM-11 AM until I was 22 .
Then that company went belly-up , and I did n't get another position that started before 3 PM until I was 26 .
When I was in college , there was only one class I needed to schedule before 10 AM .
The older I get the more I learn the real world is completely out of whack from what I was told to expect as a kid , and I 'd appreciate it if those of you who live in your fantasy " real world " would just shove it .
Thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can appreciate the justification given for the experiment, but real working life doesn't run to that timetable, so unless there's a major shift in that respect, a lot of young adults are going to be in for a bit of a shock when they join the real world and seek employment.
I didn't have a job that started before 10 AM-11 AM until I was 22.
Then that company went belly-up, and I didn't get another position that started before 3 PM until I was 26.
When I was in college, there was only one class I needed to schedule before 10 AM.
The older I get the more I learn the real world is completely out of whack from what I was told to expect as a kid, and I'd appreciate it if those of you who live in your fantasy "real world" would just shove it.
Thank you.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31583540</id>
	<title>Re:Now only if they had thought of this 30 years a</title>
	<author>tompaulco</author>
	<datestamp>1269358680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, my school district replaced the buses with having all the parents drive their kids to school. It is worse for the environment, costs more money per student, is more dangerous per student, but since all of the cost and legal liability is now on the parent, it works out better for the school.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , my school district replaced the buses with having all the parents drive their kids to school .
It is worse for the environment , costs more money per student , is more dangerous per student , but since all of the cost and legal liability is now on the parent , it works out better for the school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, my school district replaced the buses with having all the parents drive their kids to school.
It is worse for the environment, costs more money per student, is more dangerous per student, but since all of the cost and legal liability is now on the parent, it works out better for the school.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581406</id>
	<title>Are you kidding me?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269347040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These kids need to get over it.  I'm only 6 years removed from high school now, but back then 1st period started at 7:10am and I'm pretty sure that hasn't changed since I graduated.  And TFA is talking about 10am?  Wow.</p><p>Guess what?  If you move the start time back an hour or two, the kids will just start to take up an hour or two later.  Nothing will change.  I didn't RTFA, but I can almost guarantee that if they left this "start later" system in place long enough, they'd see absenteeism rise back to 'normal' levels anyways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These kids need to get over it .
I 'm only 6 years removed from high school now , but back then 1st period started at 7 : 10am and I 'm pretty sure that has n't changed since I graduated .
And TFA is talking about 10am ?
Wow.Guess what ?
If you move the start time back an hour or two , the kids will just start to take up an hour or two later .
Nothing will change .
I did n't RTFA , but I can almost guarantee that if they left this " start later " system in place long enough , they 'd see absenteeism rise back to 'normal ' levels anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These kids need to get over it.
I'm only 6 years removed from high school now, but back then 1st period started at 7:10am and I'm pretty sure that hasn't changed since I graduated.
And TFA is talking about 10am?
Wow.Guess what?
If you move the start time back an hour or two, the kids will just start to take up an hour or two later.
Nothing will change.
I didn't RTFA, but I can almost guarantee that if they left this "start later" system in place long enough, they'd see absenteeism rise back to 'normal' levels anyways.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31583078</id>
	<title>I Agree COMPLEATLY</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269356760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was a teenager just a few years ago. We started school at 7.30. I can tell you from personal experiance that i didn't learn anything until the main break at 10am. I basilcy slept until than. After 10am i was wide awake. Ask any teenager and they will agree.

There have been a lot of studys and everybodys personal experianca that your clock changes when your a teenager, now it's time to start making adjustments to fit them, not force them into something just because the adults this it sould be like that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was a teenager just a few years ago .
We started school at 7.30 .
I can tell you from personal experiance that i did n't learn anything until the main break at 10am .
I basilcy slept until than .
After 10am i was wide awake .
Ask any teenager and they will agree .
There have been a lot of studys and everybodys personal experianca that your clock changes when your a teenager , now it 's time to start making adjustments to fit them , not force them into something just because the adults this it sould be like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was a teenager just a few years ago.
We started school at 7.30.
I can tell you from personal experiance that i didn't learn anything until the main break at 10am.
I basilcy slept until than.
After 10am i was wide awake.
Ask any teenager and they will agree.
There have been a lot of studys and everybodys personal experianca that your clock changes when your a teenager, now it's time to start making adjustments to fit them, not force them into something just because the adults this it sould be like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581654</id>
	<title>Get used to disappointment, snowflake</title>
	<author>Gothmolly</author>
	<datestamp>1269349800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I graduated 2nd in my class, and went on to one of the top 10 engineering schools in the country.   And I got up every morning on time.  The trick?  Eat breakfast - and I don't mean a coffee or a Snickers.   Parents, feed your damn kids a real meal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I graduated 2nd in my class , and went on to one of the top 10 engineering schools in the country .
And I got up every morning on time .
The trick ?
Eat breakfast - and I do n't mean a coffee or a Snickers .
Parents , feed your damn kids a real meal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I graduated 2nd in my class, and went on to one of the top 10 engineering schools in the country.
And I got up every morning on time.
The trick?
Eat breakfast - and I don't mean a coffee or a Snickers.
Parents, feed your damn kids a real meal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581532</id>
	<title>10:30am start time please</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1269348300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most schools are setup so you end up with about 1.5 extra semesters worth of credits by the time you graduate, in case you screw anything up. By your junior year a lot of kids at my old high school were taking teacher assistant and study period 0-credit classes, usually scheduled for the first two periods of school, with a sign in/attendance sheet that had to be turned in to the office by the end of the day on friday of each week - i.e. was not policed closely unless you started robbing gas stations during school hours. This generally meant you could skip the first two hours of the day and arrive at school to get in one or two classes before lunch, and then cruise through the rest of the afternoon. <br>
&nbsp; <br>On the flip side we also had "zero hour" which started an hour before 1st period, allowing those genetic freaks who woke up early to get their school day done with by 1:30. I wish I had known more about these programs going through school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most schools are setup so you end up with about 1.5 extra semesters worth of credits by the time you graduate , in case you screw anything up .
By your junior year a lot of kids at my old high school were taking teacher assistant and study period 0-credit classes , usually scheduled for the first two periods of school , with a sign in/attendance sheet that had to be turned in to the office by the end of the day on friday of each week - i.e .
was not policed closely unless you started robbing gas stations during school hours .
This generally meant you could skip the first two hours of the day and arrive at school to get in one or two classes before lunch , and then cruise through the rest of the afternoon .
  On the flip side we also had " zero hour " which started an hour before 1st period , allowing those genetic freaks who woke up early to get their school day done with by 1 : 30 .
I wish I had known more about these programs going through school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most schools are setup so you end up with about 1.5 extra semesters worth of credits by the time you graduate, in case you screw anything up.
By your junior year a lot of kids at my old high school were taking teacher assistant and study period 0-credit classes, usually scheduled for the first two periods of school, with a sign in/attendance sheet that had to be turned in to the office by the end of the day on friday of each week - i.e.
was not policed closely unless you started robbing gas stations during school hours.
This generally meant you could skip the first two hours of the day and arrive at school to get in one or two classes before lunch, and then cruise through the rest of the afternoon.
  On the flip side we also had "zero hour" which started an hour before 1st period, allowing those genetic freaks who woke up early to get their school day done with by 1:30.
I wish I had known more about these programs going through school.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31580932</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269341700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>High school is not supposed to be exactly like the real (employment) world. It is supposed to teach children stuff like mathematics and grammar. If this can be done better by starting lessons an hour later and shifting the more difficult subjects to the afternoon to accomodate (what appears to be) biological facts - then great.</p><p>Having teachers, specific schedules en sitting together with 30 of your peers is not exactly like the real world either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>High school is not supposed to be exactly like the real ( employment ) world .
It is supposed to teach children stuff like mathematics and grammar .
If this can be done better by starting lessons an hour later and shifting the more difficult subjects to the afternoon to accomodate ( what appears to be ) biological facts - then great.Having teachers , specific schedules en sitting together with 30 of your peers is not exactly like the real world either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>High school is not supposed to be exactly like the real (employment) world.
It is supposed to teach children stuff like mathematics and grammar.
If this can be done better by starting lessons an hour later and shifting the more difficult subjects to the afternoon to accomodate (what appears to be) biological facts - then great.Having teachers, specific schedules en sitting together with 30 of your peers is not exactly like the real world either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31582022</id>
	<title>They only just figured this out?</title>
	<author>patch0</author>
	<datestamp>1269352080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I rarely bothered to turn up to school before 10am anyway....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I rarely bothered to turn up to school before 10am anyway... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I rarely bothered to turn up to school before 10am anyway....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31589110</id>
	<title>Those kids have it easy</title>
	<author>indil</author>
	<datestamp>1269337740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...attend school an hour later than normal, at 10am...</p></div></blockquote><p>

My entire high school started at 7:30 a.m. every morning!
</p><p>
These kids had it better than most already.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...attend school an hour later than normal , at 10am.. . My entire high school started at 7 : 30 a.m. every morning !
These kids had it better than most already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...attend school an hour later than normal, at 10am...

My entire high school started at 7:30 a.m. every morning!
These kids had it better than most already.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581692</id>
	<title>Re:Hawthorne Effect?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269350160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't. I had to get up for school at 7 AM every morning and it was complete BS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't .
I had to get up for school at 7 AM every morning and it was complete BS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't.
I had to get up for school at 7 AM every morning and it was complete BS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581924</id>
	<title>10am?!?</title>
	<author>Urza9814</author>
	<datestamp>1269351480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>10am?!? My highschool started at 7! no wonder I never learned anything....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>10am ? ! ?
My highschool started at 7 !
no wonder I never learned anything... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>10am?!?
My highschool started at 7!
no wonder I never learned anything....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31580980</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269342300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had also trouble getting up to be in school at 8:30 AM.  In weekends and holidays, sleeping in until noon and even afternoon was not exceptional.</p><p>Now, as an adult, I have no trouble getting up at 7 or even 5:30, and never sleep in during the weekend after 10AM.  Most of the time, I'm already awake at 9.  Same deal when I was younger than 12 years old, where I would watch cartoons at 7AM on a sunday morning while my parents were still in bed.</p><p>So maybe body clocks change back and forth, depending on age.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had also trouble getting up to be in school at 8 : 30 AM .
In weekends and holidays , sleeping in until noon and even afternoon was not exceptional.Now , as an adult , I have no trouble getting up at 7 or even 5 : 30 , and never sleep in during the weekend after 10AM .
Most of the time , I 'm already awake at 9 .
Same deal when I was younger than 12 years old , where I would watch cartoons at 7AM on a sunday morning while my parents were still in bed.So maybe body clocks change back and forth , depending on age .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had also trouble getting up to be in school at 8:30 AM.
In weekends and holidays, sleeping in until noon and even afternoon was not exceptional.Now, as an adult, I have no trouble getting up at 7 or even 5:30, and never sleep in during the weekend after 10AM.
Most of the time, I'm already awake at 9.
Same deal when I was younger than 12 years old, where I would watch cartoons at 7AM on a sunday morning while my parents were still in bed.So maybe body clocks change back and forth, depending on age.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31580838</id>
	<title>What About The Parents?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269340800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Teens starting school later? Who's going to supervise the teen until they get to school? Won't somebody think of the <i>parents</i>?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Teens starting school later ?
Who 's going to supervise the teen until they get to school ?
Wo n't somebody think of the parents ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Teens starting school later?
Who's going to supervise the teen until they get to school?
Won't somebody think of the parents?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581140</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>Beezlebub33</author>
	<datestamp>1269344460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The whole point is that as they are currently teenagers, they perform better when classes start later.  The research does not apply to adults.  So, now that they are teenagers, have school later, and when they graduate from college, they will be ready for earlier start times.
<br> <br>
10 am sounds really late to me.  My school started at 7:30, which meant that the bus picked us up at 7 am.  That felt like 4 years of punishment.  The reason for the early start time was all the afternoon activities.  School got out at 2:30; at that point it was sports (swimming for me) or various clubs, until 4:30 or 5.  How on earth can you have any sort of sports when school starts at 10 am?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole point is that as they are currently teenagers , they perform better when classes start later .
The research does not apply to adults .
So , now that they are teenagers , have school later , and when they graduate from college , they will be ready for earlier start times .
10 am sounds really late to me .
My school started at 7 : 30 , which meant that the bus picked us up at 7 am .
That felt like 4 years of punishment .
The reason for the early start time was all the afternoon activities .
School got out at 2 : 30 ; at that point it was sports ( swimming for me ) or various clubs , until 4 : 30 or 5 .
How on earth can you have any sort of sports when school starts at 10 am ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole point is that as they are currently teenagers, they perform better when classes start later.
The research does not apply to adults.
So, now that they are teenagers, have school later, and when they graduate from college, they will be ready for earlier start times.
10 am sounds really late to me.
My school started at 7:30, which meant that the bus picked us up at 7 am.
That felt like 4 years of punishment.
The reason for the early start time was all the afternoon activities.
School got out at 2:30; at that point it was sports (swimming for me) or various clubs, until 4:30 or 5.
How on earth can you have any sort of sports when school starts at 10 am?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581114</id>
	<title>WHat time is it ?</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1269344100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't understand. Time is that totally arbitrary number we put out, and change twice yearly, as arbitrarily. Basically, make yoiur clocks run 1 hour early. You'll feel soooo much better, if you believe what the say.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand .
Time is that totally arbitrary number we put out , and change twice yearly , as arbitrarily .
Basically , make yoiur clocks run 1 hour early .
You 'll feel soooo much better , if you believe what the say .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand.
Time is that totally arbitrary number we put out, and change twice yearly, as arbitrarily.
Basically, make yoiur clocks run 1 hour early.
You'll feel soooo much better, if you believe what the say.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581504</id>
	<title>Whatever happened to coal mining?</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1269348000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man, back in the good old days, when kids were ten, they went into the mills and the mines.  Or on the ships.  They were the ones that lit the fuses and ran because they were the smallest.  They helped bring back lunch and stuff and they learned how to grow up to be real and hardy men.  Now look at us.</p><p>Repeal child labor laws before this present moral degradation is too late!   I'm building a toy coal mine for my four year old in my backyard!  We're going to play Black Lung and Cave In.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , back in the good old days , when kids were ten , they went into the mills and the mines .
Or on the ships .
They were the ones that lit the fuses and ran because they were the smallest .
They helped bring back lunch and stuff and they learned how to grow up to be real and hardy men .
Now look at us.Repeal child labor laws before this present moral degradation is too late !
I 'm building a toy coal mine for my four year old in my backyard !
We 're going to play Black Lung and Cave In .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, back in the good old days, when kids were ten, they went into the mills and the mines.
Or on the ships.
They were the ones that lit the fuses and ran because they were the smallest.
They helped bring back lunch and stuff and they learned how to grow up to be real and hardy men.
Now look at us.Repeal child labor laws before this present moral degradation is too late!
I'm building a toy coal mine for my four year old in my backyard!
We're going to play Black Lung and Cave In.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581518</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>Jellybob</author>
	<datestamp>1269348120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I've worked several jobs where working life did run to that timetable, so that people didn't get caught up in the morning rush caused by every job insisting that you should be sitting at your desk by 9am for no particular reason. It led to people not being exhausted by the time they got into the office because they'd been force to stand on the train with their head in somebody's armpit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I 've worked several jobs where working life did run to that timetable , so that people did n't get caught up in the morning rush caused by every job insisting that you should be sitting at your desk by 9am for no particular reason .
It led to people not being exhausted by the time they got into the office because they 'd been force to stand on the train with their head in somebody 's armpit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I've worked several jobs where working life did run to that timetable, so that people didn't get caught up in the morning rush caused by every job insisting that you should be sitting at your desk by 9am for no particular reason.
It led to people not being exhausted by the time they got into the office because they'd been force to stand on the train with their head in somebody's armpit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31580872</id>
	<title>Now only if they had thought of this 30 years ago!</title>
	<author>TheRealQuestor</author>
	<datestamp>1269341220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I might have actually enjoyed school. Ok maybe not. But I sure would have enjoyed sleeping in an addition hour. The only problem with this here in the US is when you take into account that you have to get up 2 or 3 hours before school starts to wake up, showered, eat, and go to the bus stop and wait forever for the bus to show up then the hour plus ON the bus you still are having to get up WAY too early. And does that mean instead of getting out of school at 3:15 you don't get out until 4:15 now? So you are getting back on the bus and riding it back home for another hour and not getting home until 5:15 or later? That part would kind of suck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I might have actually enjoyed school .
Ok maybe not .
But I sure would have enjoyed sleeping in an addition hour .
The only problem with this here in the US is when you take into account that you have to get up 2 or 3 hours before school starts to wake up , showered , eat , and go to the bus stop and wait forever for the bus to show up then the hour plus ON the bus you still are having to get up WAY too early .
And does that mean instead of getting out of school at 3 : 15 you do n't get out until 4 : 15 now ?
So you are getting back on the bus and riding it back home for another hour and not getting home until 5 : 15 or later ?
That part would kind of suck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I might have actually enjoyed school.
Ok maybe not.
But I sure would have enjoyed sleeping in an addition hour.
The only problem with this here in the US is when you take into account that you have to get up 2 or 3 hours before school starts to wake up, showered, eat, and go to the bus stop and wait forever for the bus to show up then the hour plus ON the bus you still are having to get up WAY too early.
And does that mean instead of getting out of school at 3:15 you don't get out until 4:15 now?
So you are getting back on the bus and riding it back home for another hour and not getting home until 5:15 or later?
That part would kind of suck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31584222</id>
	<title>Delayed Sleep Phase</title>
	<author>BlindSpot</author>
	<datestamp>1269361440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The science behind this involves something called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed\_sleep\_phase" title="wikipedia.org">Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome</a> [wikipedia.org] which basically means a person's "body clock" is "late" by a few hours... it's something that occurs with many teenagers and usually sorts itself out, but not always.  (I didn't RTFA so I dunno if it mentions this or not.)</p><p>I was diagnosed as potentially having this condition in my late 20s by a sleep therapist.  Never had a full evalulation on it specifically because treatment of the psychological and physical issues greatly reduced my problems.  However, I suspect I had it and indeed probably still do (5 years later), because I've always been very prone to being a night owl.  Though I now get up at 6am for work (something once impossible) I can still easily stay up past midnight, and the odd time I do manage to get to bed early enough for 7-8 hours sleep I'm still super tired at 6am.  On weekends if I don't set an alarm I will sleep past 10am just about every time.</p><p>Most of my best coding has been done after midnight... always like to joke at work that I'd be at least twice as productive if they let me work 8pm-4am.  Of course I never actually would do that, that schedule would suck on many other levels.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The science behind this involves something called Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome [ wikipedia.org ] which basically means a person 's " body clock " is " late " by a few hours... it 's something that occurs with many teenagers and usually sorts itself out , but not always .
( I did n't RTFA so I dunno if it mentions this or not .
) I was diagnosed as potentially having this condition in my late 20s by a sleep therapist .
Never had a full evalulation on it specifically because treatment of the psychological and physical issues greatly reduced my problems .
However , I suspect I had it and indeed probably still do ( 5 years later ) , because I 've always been very prone to being a night owl .
Though I now get up at 6am for work ( something once impossible ) I can still easily stay up past midnight , and the odd time I do manage to get to bed early enough for 7-8 hours sleep I 'm still super tired at 6am .
On weekends if I do n't set an alarm I will sleep past 10am just about every time.Most of my best coding has been done after midnight... always like to joke at work that I 'd be at least twice as productive if they let me work 8pm-4am .
Of course I never actually would do that , that schedule would suck on many other levels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The science behind this involves something called Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome [wikipedia.org] which basically means a person's "body clock" is "late" by a few hours... it's something that occurs with many teenagers and usually sorts itself out, but not always.
(I didn't RTFA so I dunno if it mentions this or not.
)I was diagnosed as potentially having this condition in my late 20s by a sleep therapist.
Never had a full evalulation on it specifically because treatment of the psychological and physical issues greatly reduced my problems.
However, I suspect I had it and indeed probably still do (5 years later), because I've always been very prone to being a night owl.
Though I now get up at 6am for work (something once impossible) I can still easily stay up past midnight, and the odd time I do manage to get to bed early enough for 7-8 hours sleep I'm still super tired at 6am.
On weekends if I don't set an alarm I will sleep past 10am just about every time.Most of my best coding has been done after midnight... always like to joke at work that I'd be at least twice as productive if they let me work 8pm-4am.
Of course I never actually would do that, that schedule would suck on many other levels.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31583794</id>
	<title>tautology</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269359760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was in high school, I wondered aloud a couple times why school didn't start a little later. The answer I always got was that high school kids needed to get out of school at 2:30 so they could go to their jobs to earn money to pay for their cars which helped them get to school in time for their first classes at 7.</p><p>Um, yeah.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was in high school , I wondered aloud a couple times why school did n't start a little later .
The answer I always got was that high school kids needed to get out of school at 2 : 30 so they could go to their jobs to earn money to pay for their cars which helped them get to school in time for their first classes at 7.Um , yeah .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was in high school, I wondered aloud a couple times why school didn't start a little later.
The answer I always got was that high school kids needed to get out of school at 2:30 so they could go to their jobs to earn money to pay for their cars which helped them get to school in time for their first classes at 7.Um, yeah.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581086</id>
	<title>Wait a second!!</title>
	<author>billsayswow</author>
	<datestamp>1269343740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Going to school at 9am? Dear lord, lucky kids. Schools here start at 7:45-8:00am...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Going to school at 9am ?
Dear lord , lucky kids .
Schools here start at 7 : 45-8 : 00am.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Going to school at 9am?
Dear lord, lucky kids.
Schools here start at 7:45-8:00am...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31584038</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1269360720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>School is about academics, not sport. Your ability to hit a baseball or punt a soccer ball will likely have very little bearing on your future. Your ability to properly cogitate has almost everything to do with your future.</p><p>Sport is excellent and has many benefits for the young, and the old, but it is NOT the primary reason for schooling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>School is about academics , not sport .
Your ability to hit a baseball or punt a soccer ball will likely have very little bearing on your future .
Your ability to properly cogitate has almost everything to do with your future.Sport is excellent and has many benefits for the young , and the old , but it is NOT the primary reason for schooling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>School is about academics, not sport.
Your ability to hit a baseball or punt a soccer ball will likely have very little bearing on your future.
Your ability to properly cogitate has almost everything to do with your future.Sport is excellent and has many benefits for the young, and the old, but it is NOT the primary reason for schooling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581526</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>Faylone</author>
	<datestamp>1269348180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Shouldn't the sports and various clubs come SECONDARY to learning?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't the sports and various clubs come SECONDARY to learning ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't the sports and various clubs come SECONDARY to learning?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581118</id>
	<title>Hawthorne Effect?</title>
	<author>Chrisq</author>
	<datestamp>1269344160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bet this is just the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne\_Effect" title="wikipedia.org">Hawthorne Effect</a> [wikipedia.org]. I bet that if they had another school and told them that they were going to start an hour earlier, as they believed that this would allow pupils to get the work done and have more free time in the evenings, this school would also have shown an improvement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet this is just the Hawthorne Effect [ wikipedia.org ] .
I bet that if they had another school and told them that they were going to start an hour earlier , as they believed that this would allow pupils to get the work done and have more free time in the evenings , this school would also have shown an improvement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet this is just the Hawthorne Effect [wikipedia.org].
I bet that if they had another school and told them that they were going to start an hour earlier, as they believed that this would allow pupils to get the work done and have more free time in the evenings, this school would also have shown an improvement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31589636</id>
	<title>Sleep earlier?</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1269340620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or teens could, you know, go to sleep one hour earlier?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or teens could , you know , go to sleep one hour earlier ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or teens could, you know, go to sleep one hour earlier?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31582894</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>ThrowAwaySociety</author>
	<datestamp>1269355980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can appreciate the justification given for the experiment, but real working life doesn't run to that timetable, so unless there's a major shift in that respect, a lot of young adults are going to be in for a bit of a shock when they join the real world and seek employment.</p></div><p>Teenagers are biologically different from adults. By the time they join the adult working world, they'll be biologically adults and better able to handle it.</p><p>The strange thing about our society is, there are two camps when it comes to teenagers: One that wants to treat them like forty-year-olds, and another that wants to treat them like four-year-olds. No wonder they're so screwed up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can appreciate the justification given for the experiment , but real working life does n't run to that timetable , so unless there 's a major shift in that respect , a lot of young adults are going to be in for a bit of a shock when they join the real world and seek employment.Teenagers are biologically different from adults .
By the time they join the adult working world , they 'll be biologically adults and better able to handle it.The strange thing about our society is , there are two camps when it comes to teenagers : One that wants to treat them like forty-year-olds , and another that wants to treat them like four-year-olds .
No wonder they 're so screwed up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can appreciate the justification given for the experiment, but real working life doesn't run to that timetable, so unless there's a major shift in that respect, a lot of young adults are going to be in for a bit of a shock when they join the real world and seek employment.Teenagers are biologically different from adults.
By the time they join the adult working world, they'll be biologically adults and better able to handle it.The strange thing about our society is, there are two camps when it comes to teenagers: One that wants to treat them like forty-year-olds, and another that wants to treat them like four-year-olds.
No wonder they're so screwed up.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31585264</id>
	<title>Tell me about it</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1269365400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In college, we had an advanced Calculus class with a real hard-ass teacher that some asshole schedule at 7am... needless to say, this was not popular with the students. Most of us barely made it through.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In college , we had an advanced Calculus class with a real hard-ass teacher that some asshole schedule at 7am... needless to say , this was not popular with the students .
Most of us barely made it through .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In college, we had an advanced Calculus class with a real hard-ass teacher that some asshole schedule at 7am... needless to say, this was not popular with the students.
Most of us barely made it through.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581448</id>
	<title>What about the buses?</title>
	<author>tmroyster</author>
	<datestamp>1269347460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What really drives things (no pun intended) around here are the school buses.</p><p>First they go around and pick up and deliver the High and Middle schoolers ,<br>then the Elementary school kids.</p><p>Suggesting two sets of buses or (gasp!) doing the elementary kids first would<br>be dismissed as lunacy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What really drives things ( no pun intended ) around here are the school buses.First they go around and pick up and deliver the High and Middle schoolers ,then the Elementary school kids.Suggesting two sets of buses or ( gasp !
) doing the elementary kids first wouldbe dismissed as lunacy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What really drives things (no pun intended) around here are the school buses.First they go around and pick up and deliver the High and Middle schoolers ,then the Elementary school kids.Suggesting two sets of buses or (gasp!
) doing the elementary kids first wouldbe dismissed as lunacy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31583110</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>MoNsTeR</author>
	<datestamp>1269356880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, high school is a prison for teenagers.  All that stuff with textbooks is window dressing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , high school is a prison for teenagers .
All that stuff with textbooks is window dressing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, high school is a prison for teenagers.
All that stuff with textbooks is window dressing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31583568</id>
	<title>Re:Hawthorne Effect?</title>
	<author>mathx314</author>
	<datestamp>1269358740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really doubt it.  High school started at 7:25 in the morning.  I take long showers (longer when I'm trying to wake up) and made it a habit to eat breakfast so I didn't starve before lunch at noon.  The bus arrived at around 6:40 every day.  This all meant that I had to get up at 5:45 for school.  My grades definitely suffered for it, and I'm certain that if I had to get up any earlier I would have just stopped going altogether.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really doubt it .
High school started at 7 : 25 in the morning .
I take long showers ( longer when I 'm trying to wake up ) and made it a habit to eat breakfast so I did n't starve before lunch at noon .
The bus arrived at around 6 : 40 every day .
This all meant that I had to get up at 5 : 45 for school .
My grades definitely suffered for it , and I 'm certain that if I had to get up any earlier I would have just stopped going altogether .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really doubt it.
High school started at 7:25 in the morning.
I take long showers (longer when I'm trying to wake up) and made it a habit to eat breakfast so I didn't starve before lunch at noon.
The bus arrived at around 6:40 every day.
This all meant that I had to get up at 5:45 for school.
My grades definitely suffered for it, and I'm certain that if I had to get up any earlier I would have just stopped going altogether.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31580870</id>
	<title>Uhu</title>
	<author>santax</author>
	<datestamp>1269341220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure son, now go brush your teeth and go to bed. Else you won't be awake and fresh tomorrow when school starts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure son , now go brush your teeth and go to bed .
Else you wo n't be awake and fresh tomorrow when school starts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure son, now go brush your teeth and go to bed.
Else you won't be awake and fresh tomorrow when school starts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31582154</id>
	<title>This has been known forever</title>
	<author>Theovon</author>
	<datestamp>1269352800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's amazing to me how every now and then, someone too clueless to just look at what's been done before redoes this same study and comes to the same conclusion.  Teenagers have a shifted sleep schedule.  Their internal clocks want to put them to sleep later but they need the same amount of sleep.  So... if you put them in school a little later in the day, they handle it better, because they get more sleep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's amazing to me how every now and then , someone too clueless to just look at what 's been done before redoes this same study and comes to the same conclusion .
Teenagers have a shifted sleep schedule .
Their internal clocks want to put them to sleep later but they need the same amount of sleep .
So... if you put them in school a little later in the day , they handle it better , because they get more sleep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's amazing to me how every now and then, someone too clueless to just look at what's been done before redoes this same study and comes to the same conclusion.
Teenagers have a shifted sleep schedule.
Their internal clocks want to put them to sleep later but they need the same amount of sleep.
So... if you put them in school a little later in the day, they handle it better, because they get more sleep.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581228</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1269345240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's OK, once they get a job in the UK, they won't have to do any more thinking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's OK , once they get a job in the UK , they wo n't have to do any more thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's OK, once they get a job in the UK, they won't have to do any more thinking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31589710</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1269340980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And by "biological facts" you mean that a teen will stay up until 1 or 2 in the morning, regardless of what time they have to be at school, so letting them come in later they get more sleep...as opposed to, I dunno, just going to bed at 9 or 10 like responsible people do and still getting 8-10 hours of sleep and STILL being to school on time, even if it starts at 8 am.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And by " biological facts " you mean that a teen will stay up until 1 or 2 in the morning , regardless of what time they have to be at school , so letting them come in later they get more sleep...as opposed to , I dunno , just going to bed at 9 or 10 like responsible people do and still getting 8-10 hours of sleep and STILL being to school on time , even if it starts at 8 am .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And by "biological facts" you mean that a teen will stay up until 1 or 2 in the morning, regardless of what time they have to be at school, so letting them come in later they get more sleep...as opposed to, I dunno, just going to bed at 9 or 10 like responsible people do and still getting 8-10 hours of sleep and STILL being to school on time, even if it starts at 8 am.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31583216</id>
	<title>Re:Now only if they had thought of this 30 years a</title>
	<author>rbochan</author>
	<datestamp>1269357360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...We really need a better option for places where walking doesn't work for whatever reason.</p></div></blockquote><p>Walking? The school systems here bus kids to the school that's ONE BLOCK away. And they stop at every single driveway on a block where a kid lives.</p><p>Because... you know... "Why don't you have a seat over there..."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...We really need a better option for places where walking does n't work for whatever reason.Walking ?
The school systems here bus kids to the school that 's ONE BLOCK away .
And they stop at every single driveway on a block where a kid lives.Because... you know... " Why do n't you have a seat over there... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...We really need a better option for places where walking doesn't work for whatever reason.Walking?
The school systems here bus kids to the school that's ONE BLOCK away.
And they stop at every single driveway on a block where a kid lives.Because... you know... "Why don't you have a seat over there..."
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581456</id>
	<title>John Henry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269347520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want to know how the researchers are guarding against the John Henry effect.  That is, the subjects exceeding normal expectations because of the study.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to know how the researchers are guarding against the John Henry effect .
That is , the subjects exceeding normal expectations because of the study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want to know how the researchers are guarding against the John Henry effect.
That is, the subjects exceeding normal expectations because of the study.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31582796</id>
	<title>Mastery of the Bleedin' Obvious</title>
	<author>psbrogna</author>
	<datestamp>1269355620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In other news, "Easier Classes Raise GPAs"</htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news , " Easier Classes Raise GPAs "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news, "Easier Classes Raise GPAs"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31580856</id>
	<title>Real World</title>
	<author>Linker3000</author>
	<datestamp>1269341100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can appreciate the justification given for the experiment, but real working life doesn't run to that timetable, so unless there's a major shift in that respect, a lot of young adults are going to be in for a bit of a shock when they join the real world and seek employment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can appreciate the justification given for the experiment , but real working life does n't run to that timetable , so unless there 's a major shift in that respect , a lot of young adults are going to be in for a bit of a shock when they join the real world and seek employment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can appreciate the justification given for the experiment, but real working life doesn't run to that timetable, so unless there's a major shift in that respect, a lot of young adults are going to be in for a bit of a shock when they join the real world and seek employment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31580928</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1269341700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is the reality of the "real world"?  There are shifts at all hours of the day.  Making everything 9-5, 8-4, etcetera doesn't even make sense traffic wise.  And how will work-from-home affect things?</p><p>Now, I can agree that many kids will eventually work office jobs, but hardly all of them.  And shouldn't the school day be structured in the way best times for them?  I mean, it is said schools were once structured around the realities of factory life, things like hearing a period bell and shuffling to the next station and what not - but is the reality for most adults factory work anymore either?</p><p>The real-world changes.  Often times because of a new generation with different ways of thinking.</p><p>Schools should be structured to teach effectively.  Not to emulate the current workplace in superficial ways for no real good reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the reality of the " real world " ?
There are shifts at all hours of the day .
Making everything 9-5 , 8-4 , etcetera does n't even make sense traffic wise .
And how will work-from-home affect things ? Now , I can agree that many kids will eventually work office jobs , but hardly all of them .
And should n't the school day be structured in the way best times for them ?
I mean , it is said schools were once structured around the realities of factory life , things like hearing a period bell and shuffling to the next station and what not - but is the reality for most adults factory work anymore either ? The real-world changes .
Often times because of a new generation with different ways of thinking.Schools should be structured to teach effectively .
Not to emulate the current workplace in superficial ways for no real good reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the reality of the "real world"?
There are shifts at all hours of the day.
Making everything 9-5, 8-4, etcetera doesn't even make sense traffic wise.
And how will work-from-home affect things?Now, I can agree that many kids will eventually work office jobs, but hardly all of them.
And shouldn't the school day be structured in the way best times for them?
I mean, it is said schools were once structured around the realities of factory life, things like hearing a period bell and shuffling to the next station and what not - but is the reality for most adults factory work anymore either?The real-world changes.
Often times because of a new generation with different ways of thinking.Schools should be structured to teach effectively.
Not to emulate the current workplace in superficial ways for no real good reason.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31587476</id>
	<title>Re:WHat time is it ?</title>
	<author>CityZen</author>
	<datestamp>1269373140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Time is an artifact of TV programming.  For instance, dinner time always occurs around the evening news, while bed time is soon after the late show.  Breakfast is when that silly morning news stuff happens, unless it's Saturday, when it coincides with cartoons.</p><p>Instead of shifting school an hour later, it would be interesting to see what happens if TV schedules were shifted an hour earlier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time is an artifact of TV programming .
For instance , dinner time always occurs around the evening news , while bed time is soon after the late show .
Breakfast is when that silly morning news stuff happens , unless it 's Saturday , when it coincides with cartoons.Instead of shifting school an hour later , it would be interesting to see what happens if TV schedules were shifted an hour earlier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time is an artifact of TV programming.
For instance, dinner time always occurs around the evening news, while bed time is soon after the late show.
Breakfast is when that silly morning news stuff happens, unless it's Saturday, when it coincides with cartoons.Instead of shifting school an hour later, it would be interesting to see what happens if TV schedules were shifted an hour earlier.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31582008</id>
	<title>Re:Now only if they had thought of this 30 years a</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269351960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe some kind of smaller version of the bus. A personal version, capable of carrying maybe four or five people, and inexpensive enough that you can put the burden of buying and maintaining it onto the parents. That could work. If only I could think of a suitable analogy...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe some kind of smaller version of the bus .
A personal version , capable of carrying maybe four or five people , and inexpensive enough that you can put the burden of buying and maintaining it onto the parents .
That could work .
If only I could think of a suitable analogy.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe some kind of smaller version of the bus.
A personal version, capable of carrying maybe four or five people, and inexpensive enough that you can put the burden of buying and maintaining it onto the parents.
That could work.
If only I could think of a suitable analogy...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31582348</id>
	<title>Re: Bus</title>
	<author>TaoPhoenix</author>
	<datestamp>1269353880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The school bus is a brand of semi-necessary evil. The system was forced to provide an option so that a parent who couldn't take their kids to school didn't wreck the kids' education.</p><p>The savings are not about fuel, they're about *saving parental time/money*. Say 15 kids on a route * 20 min parental time saved each way *2 times per day - 600 min aka 10 hours total parental time saved/day. Because of staggered distances, parent returns home, etc etc, prob as high as 15 Parental hours per day per route.</p><p>At 12 bus routes per day * # days/year, that adds up!</p><p>You're right about the first kid on the stop getting wrecked. And I assumed a "rich" system with only 15 stops per route! When a school struggles they cut bus routes, and some systems have as many as 30 stops on a route.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The school bus is a brand of semi-necessary evil .
The system was forced to provide an option so that a parent who could n't take their kids to school did n't wreck the kids ' education.The savings are not about fuel , they 're about * saving parental time/money * .
Say 15 kids on a route * 20 min parental time saved each way * 2 times per day - 600 min aka 10 hours total parental time saved/day .
Because of staggered distances , parent returns home , etc etc , prob as high as 15 Parental hours per day per route.At 12 bus routes per day * # days/year , that adds up ! You 're right about the first kid on the stop getting wrecked .
And I assumed a " rich " system with only 15 stops per route !
When a school struggles they cut bus routes , and some systems have as many as 30 stops on a route .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school bus is a brand of semi-necessary evil.
The system was forced to provide an option so that a parent who couldn't take their kids to school didn't wreck the kids' education.The savings are not about fuel, they're about *saving parental time/money*.
Say 15 kids on a route * 20 min parental time saved each way *2 times per day - 600 min aka 10 hours total parental time saved/day.
Because of staggered distances, parent returns home, etc etc, prob as high as 15 Parental hours per day per route.At 12 bus routes per day * # days/year, that adds up!You're right about the first kid on the stop getting wrecked.
And I assumed a "rich" system with only 15 stops per route!
When a school struggles they cut bus routes, and some systems have as many as 30 stops on a route.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581570</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>mdarksbane</author>
	<datestamp>1269348660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If high school had anything in common with "the real world" aside from being stuck someplace for 8 hours, I might agree with you. In any case, they're going to go immediately from this to college, where they have the freedom to schedule their first class at noon and nothing on Fridays if they work it right, so I think they'll be in for a bit of an adjustment anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If high school had anything in common with " the real world " aside from being stuck someplace for 8 hours , I might agree with you .
In any case , they 're going to go immediately from this to college , where they have the freedom to schedule their first class at noon and nothing on Fridays if they work it right , so I think they 'll be in for a bit of an adjustment anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If high school had anything in common with "the real world" aside from being stuck someplace for 8 hours, I might agree with you.
In any case, they're going to go immediately from this to college, where they have the freedom to schedule their first class at noon and nothing on Fridays if they work it right, so I think they'll be in for a bit of an adjustment anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31583198</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second!!</title>
	<author>Golddess</author>
	<datestamp>1269357300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll say, High School for me used to start at around 7am, and by 10am, lunch had already been over for about 30 minutes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll say , High School for me used to start at around 7am , and by 10am , lunch had already been over for about 30 minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll say, High School for me used to start at around 7am, and by 10am, lunch had already been over for about 30 minutes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581086</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31582260</id>
	<title>Doesn't work in real life</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269353340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This doesn't work in real life for a few reasons:

1.  Childcare.  Older siblings often watch younger siblings after school until the parents come home from work.  That's why older kids start first.  So they are home when the elementary schools let out.  From what teachers told us in High School, it's often the law that it's done that way during early closings (weather events).  By shifting the schedule, you now make families shift that child care burden and cost.

2.  Reduces the consecutive block of hours that a teenager can work.  This is important for those who need to contribute to pay the bills, or cover their education (college) in the future.  Yea they get more morning time, but it's hard to work 2 hours, go to school, then back to work 2 hours.  What business wants to accommodate that work schedule?

Overall, it's fine for the wealthy, but it really punishes poor students and their families.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This does n't work in real life for a few reasons : 1 .
Childcare. Older siblings often watch younger siblings after school until the parents come home from work .
That 's why older kids start first .
So they are home when the elementary schools let out .
From what teachers told us in High School , it 's often the law that it 's done that way during early closings ( weather events ) .
By shifting the schedule , you now make families shift that child care burden and cost .
2. Reduces the consecutive block of hours that a teenager can work .
This is important for those who need to contribute to pay the bills , or cover their education ( college ) in the future .
Yea they get more morning time , but it 's hard to work 2 hours , go to school , then back to work 2 hours .
What business wants to accommodate that work schedule ?
Overall , it 's fine for the wealthy , but it really punishes poor students and their families .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This doesn't work in real life for a few reasons:

1.
Childcare.  Older siblings often watch younger siblings after school until the parents come home from work.
That's why older kids start first.
So they are home when the elementary schools let out.
From what teachers told us in High School, it's often the law that it's done that way during early closings (weather events).
By shifting the schedule, you now make families shift that child care burden and cost.
2.  Reduces the consecutive block of hours that a teenager can work.
This is important for those who need to contribute to pay the bills, or cover their education (college) in the future.
Yea they get more morning time, but it's hard to work 2 hours, go to school, then back to work 2 hours.
What business wants to accommodate that work schedule?
Overall, it's fine for the wealthy, but it really punishes poor students and their families.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581092</id>
	<title>Same shit</title>
	<author>bwashed75</author>
	<datestamp>1269343800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If 10am is the new 9am then 1am is the new midnight. Give them some time to adapt and they'll still  be late for school</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If 10am is the new 9am then 1am is the new midnight .
Give them some time to adapt and they 'll still be late for school</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If 10am is the new 9am then 1am is the new midnight.
Give them some time to adapt and they'll still  be late for school</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31585720</id>
	<title>sorry, but here's some DATA</title>
	<author>cellocgw</author>
	<datestamp>1269366960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know this is against<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. 's unwritten rules, but here are actual results of previous tries:</p><p><a href="http://www.cehd.umn.edu/research/highlights/Sleep/" title="umn.edu">http://www.cehd.umn.edu/research/highlights/Sleep/</a> [umn.edu]  and  <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080609071202.htm" title="sciencedaily.com">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080609071202.htm</a> [sciencedaily.com] and  <a href="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/133246.php" title="medicalnewstoday.com">http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/133246.php</a> [medicalnewstoday.com]</p><p>Ok, now back to fantasies about sex-crazed teens left unattended but apparently with the means to get to their FWB's house at 7 AM...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is against / .
's unwritten rules , but here are actual results of previous tries : http : //www.cehd.umn.edu/research/highlights/Sleep/ [ umn.edu ] and http : //www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080609071202.htm [ sciencedaily.com ] and http : //www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/133246.php [ medicalnewstoday.com ] Ok , now back to fantasies about sex-crazed teens left unattended but apparently with the means to get to their FWB 's house at 7 AM.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is against /.
's unwritten rules, but here are actual results of previous tries:http://www.cehd.umn.edu/research/highlights/Sleep/ [umn.edu]  and  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080609071202.htm [sciencedaily.com] and  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/133246.php [medicalnewstoday.com]Ok, now back to fantasies about sex-crazed teens left unattended but apparently with the means to get to their FWB's house at 7 AM...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31584338</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1269361860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Start early! The baby blaster 2000 will keep those lazy infants from napping the day away so they can be prepared for the world of work that awaits them!</p><p>By the time they are ready to enter the workforce beyond McJobs, they will be growing out of the late start phase anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Start early !
The baby blaster 2000 will keep those lazy infants from napping the day away so they can be prepared for the world of work that awaits them ! By the time they are ready to enter the workforce beyond McJobs , they will be growing out of the late start phase anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Start early!
The baby blaster 2000 will keep those lazy infants from napping the day away so they can be prepared for the world of work that awaits them!By the time they are ready to enter the workforce beyond McJobs, they will be growing out of the late start phase anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31580878</id>
	<title>Monitoring students changes the outcome?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269341280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Monitoring students changes the outcome?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Monitoring students changes the outcome ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Monitoring students changes the outcome?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31580936</id>
	<title>Clock shift Or Late Surfing / Night Parties ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269341760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>He said young people's body clocks may shift as they reach their teenage years &mdash; meaning they want to get up later not because they are lazy but because they are biologically programmed to do</p></div><p>I believe they start to sleep very late and thus need to wake up late, otherwise memory and concentration fail.</p><p>
I've noticed such a shift with myself, when I started to go bed around midnight or 2am. Suddenly I was much less efficient at work in the morning but rather good around 5pm. No biological change. Just stupid habits.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>He said young people 's body clocks may shift as they reach their teenage years    meaning they want to get up later not because they are lazy but because they are biologically programmed to doI believe they start to sleep very late and thus need to wake up late , otherwise memory and concentration fail .
I 've noticed such a shift with myself , when I started to go bed around midnight or 2am .
Suddenly I was much less efficient at work in the morning but rather good around 5pm .
No biological change .
Just stupid habits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He said young people's body clocks may shift as they reach their teenage years — meaning they want to get up later not because they are lazy but because they are biologically programmed to doI believe they start to sleep very late and thus need to wake up late, otherwise memory and concentration fail.
I've noticed such a shift with myself, when I started to go bed around midnight or 2am.
Suddenly I was much less efficient at work in the morning but rather good around 5pm.
No biological change.
Just stupid habits.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31582174</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>ducomputergeek</author>
	<datestamp>1269352860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to say the same thing.  I was doing programing work.  Who cared if I went to bed at 3AM and didn't wake up until 10AM?  So long as the work got done, right?</p><p>Then the product launched and our customers very much keep an 8AM - 5PM schedule.  And if they had a problem at 8AM and couldn't reach anyone for support, they're pissed.  In the early days of the company, I was programmer guy/systems guy/tech support guy.  I had to learn to adapt rather quick and just know to be up and alert by 8AM even if that meant going to bed before midnight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to say the same thing .
I was doing programing work .
Who cared if I went to bed at 3AM and did n't wake up until 10AM ?
So long as the work got done , right ? Then the product launched and our customers very much keep an 8AM - 5PM schedule .
And if they had a problem at 8AM and could n't reach anyone for support , they 're pissed .
In the early days of the company , I was programmer guy/systems guy/tech support guy .
I had to learn to adapt rather quick and just know to be up and alert by 8AM even if that meant going to bed before midnight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to say the same thing.
I was doing programing work.
Who cared if I went to bed at 3AM and didn't wake up until 10AM?
So long as the work got done, right?Then the product launched and our customers very much keep an 8AM - 5PM schedule.
And if they had a problem at 8AM and couldn't reach anyone for support, they're pissed.
In the early days of the company, I was programmer guy/systems guy/tech support guy.
I had to learn to adapt rather quick and just know to be up and alert by 8AM even if that meant going to bed before midnight.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31587358</id>
	<title>Re:What time is it ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269372780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not arbitrary, it's to do with sunlight. As human beings we are inclined to wake up when it is bright and go to sleep when it is dark, and our clocks are based on that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not arbitrary , it 's to do with sunlight .
As human beings we are inclined to wake up when it is bright and go to sleep when it is dark , and our clocks are based on that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not arbitrary, it's to do with sunlight.
As human beings we are inclined to wake up when it is bright and go to sleep when it is dark, and our clocks are based on that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31584596</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1269362880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can appreciate the justification given for the experiment, but real working life doesn't run to that timetable</p></div><p>It doesn't, really? In my 8 years of work experience, most of them involved coming to work at 10am.</p><p>It's not some kind of special favor I had to ask for, either. Normal working hours here are 9-5 or 10-6, whichever you prefer. Same on my two previous jobs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can appreciate the justification given for the experiment , but real working life does n't run to that timetableIt does n't , really ?
In my 8 years of work experience , most of them involved coming to work at 10am.It 's not some kind of special favor I had to ask for , either .
Normal working hours here are 9-5 or 10-6 , whichever you prefer .
Same on my two previous jobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can appreciate the justification given for the experiment, but real working life doesn't run to that timetableIt doesn't, really?
In my 8 years of work experience, most of them involved coming to work at 10am.It's not some kind of special favor I had to ask for, either.
Normal working hours here are 9-5 or 10-6, whichever you prefer.
Same on my two previous jobs.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581252</id>
	<title>Habits are driven by your biology</title>
	<author>Nicolas MONNET</author>
	<datestamp>1269345420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The circadian cycle is a PLL. It does not cause you to fall a sleep at a particular time, but it drives you towards one, based on a feedback loop, with input from light exposure, notably. It might be just bad habits<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. or it might be that your circadian clock is out of phase.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The circadian cycle is a PLL .
It does not cause you to fall a sleep at a particular time , but it drives you towards one , based on a feedback loop , with input from light exposure , notably .
It might be just bad habits .. or it might be that your circadian clock is out of phase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The circadian cycle is a PLL.
It does not cause you to fall a sleep at a particular time, but it drives you towards one, based on a feedback loop, with input from light exposure, notably.
It might be just bad habits .. or it might be that your circadian clock is out of phase.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31584962</id>
	<title>Re:Now only if they had thought of this 30 years a</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269364440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; We really need a better option for places where walking doesn't work for whatever reason.</p><p>Ever heard of a thing called bicycle? I used to get to school for 9 years,  5 km distance. Before that I walked 2km to primary school for 4 years.<br>As did about all my friends. IIRC hose who lived in more than 5 km distance had the option to use public transport and did so.<br>All of us survived.</p><p>I do understand that this is no option in the really rural areas, but.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; We really need a better option for places where walking does n't work for whatever reason.Ever heard of a thing called bicycle ?
I used to get to school for 9 years , 5 km distance .
Before that I walked 2km to primary school for 4 years.As did about all my friends .
IIRC hose who lived in more than 5 km distance had the option to use public transport and did so.All of us survived.I do understand that this is no option in the really rural areas , but .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; We really need a better option for places where walking doesn't work for whatever reason.Ever heard of a thing called bicycle?
I used to get to school for 9 years,  5 km distance.
Before that I walked 2km to primary school for 4 years.As did about all my friends.
IIRC hose who lived in more than 5 km distance had the option to use public transport and did so.All of us survived.I do understand that this is no option in the really rural areas, but.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31583900</id>
	<title>Re:Now only if they had thought of this 30 years a</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1269360240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what cell phones, mp3 players, and portable video game consoles are for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what cell phones , mp3 players , and portable video game consoles are for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what cell phones, mp3 players, and portable video game consoles are for.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31582972</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>Scrameustache</author>
	<datestamp>1269356280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How on earth can you have any sort of sports when school starts at 10 am?</p></div><p>How can you learn anything when you're constantly sleep deprived?</p><p>So the question is, which is school for: Sports or learning?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How on earth can you have any sort of sports when school starts at 10 am ? How can you learn anything when you 're constantly sleep deprived ? So the question is , which is school for : Sports or learning ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How on earth can you have any sort of sports when school starts at 10 am?How can you learn anything when you're constantly sleep deprived?So the question is, which is school for: Sports or learning?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581090</id>
	<title>I only wish!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269343740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here in Mass my kids have to be on the school bus at 6:40am, so classes start at around<br>7:25.  This is so they can use the same buses to make a second round later and pick up<br>the elementary school kids.</p><p>Everyone here is constantly sleep deprived, and I know their learning suffers for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in Mass my kids have to be on the school bus at 6 : 40am , so classes start at around7 : 25 .
This is so they can use the same buses to make a second round later and pick upthe elementary school kids.Everyone here is constantly sleep deprived , and I know their learning suffers for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in Mass my kids have to be on the school bus at 6:40am, so classes start at around7:25.
This is so they can use the same buses to make a second round later and pick upthe elementary school kids.Everyone here is constantly sleep deprived, and I know their learning suffers for it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31582158</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1269352800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most of them will go to university first, and that means only waking up in time for lectures.  Very few of my lectures were at 9am, and most days started around 11am.  And, you know, joining the 'real world' and seeking employment is not necessarily something that they need to do - I work freelance and I typically wake up later now that I did at university, and much later than I did at school.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of them will go to university first , and that means only waking up in time for lectures .
Very few of my lectures were at 9am , and most days started around 11am .
And , you know , joining the 'real world ' and seeking employment is not necessarily something that they need to do - I work freelance and I typically wake up later now that I did at university , and much later than I did at school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of them will go to university first, and that means only waking up in time for lectures.
Very few of my lectures were at 9am, and most days started around 11am.
And, you know, joining the 'real world' and seeking employment is not necessarily something that they need to do - I work freelance and I typically wake up later now that I did at university, and much later than I did at school.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31585490</id>
	<title>Simple, obvious solution</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1269366180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Send your teen to a timezone 3 hours west of you to attend highschool.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Send your teen to a timezone 3 hours west of you to attend highschool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Send your teen to a timezone 3 hours west of you to attend highschool.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31590036</id>
	<title>duh</title>
	<author>nilbog</author>
	<datestamp>1269342480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well duh.  I don't know why our culture is so obsessed with doing everything so early in the morning.  Well, actually I do, it's because everyone else woke up to late to vote on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well duh .
I do n't know why our culture is so obsessed with doing everything so early in the morning .
Well , actually I do , it 's because everyone else woke up to late to vote on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well duh.
I don't know why our culture is so obsessed with doing everything so early in the morning.
Well, actually I do, it's because everyone else woke up to late to vote on it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31588410</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>rpillala</author>
	<datestamp>1269377640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Schools start early because of sports and after school practice.  I visited Austin TX a couple of years ago because I was thinking of moving there and teaching high school.  Schools around there seemed to all start later and run later, but they have morning practice also, so again sports.</p><p>You'd think that elementary schools could be the ones that began early in the day and middle and high schools later because that seems to be the pattern for children and waking up.  But no, sports.</p><p>Hey wait I haven't seen anyone lay this one at the feet of evil teachers' unions yet.  Get on the ball, people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Schools start early because of sports and after school practice .
I visited Austin TX a couple of years ago because I was thinking of moving there and teaching high school .
Schools around there seemed to all start later and run later , but they have morning practice also , so again sports.You 'd think that elementary schools could be the ones that began early in the day and middle and high schools later because that seems to be the pattern for children and waking up .
But no , sports.Hey wait I have n't seen anyone lay this one at the feet of evil teachers ' unions yet .
Get on the ball , people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Schools start early because of sports and after school practice.
I visited Austin TX a couple of years ago because I was thinking of moving there and teaching high school.
Schools around there seemed to all start later and run later, but they have morning practice also, so again sports.You'd think that elementary schools could be the ones that began early in the day and middle and high schools later because that seems to be the pattern for children and waking up.
But no, sports.Hey wait I haven't seen anyone lay this one at the feet of evil teachers' unions yet.
Get on the ball, people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31583618</id>
	<title>Not medically established</title>
	<author>tompaulco</author>
	<datestamp>1269358980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>'it was now medically established that it was better for teenagers to start their school day later in terms of their mental and physical health and how they learn better in the afternoon'</i> <br>
ITYM 'socially' not 'medically'. Teenagers are not biologically predisposed to staying up late and getting up late, otherwise they would have been doing this in the 1800s. We don't evolve fast enough to have gone from creatures that go to sleep and rise with the sun to creatures who go to sleep at 1 and wake up at noon and then miraculously at the age of 22 suddenly change to creatures that go to bed at reasonable hours and wake up at reasonable hours. It is all just social custom.</htmltext>
<tokenext>'it was now medically established that it was better for teenagers to start their school day later in terms of their mental and physical health and how they learn better in the afternoon ' ITYM 'socially ' not 'medically' .
Teenagers are not biologically predisposed to staying up late and getting up late , otherwise they would have been doing this in the 1800s .
We do n't evolve fast enough to have gone from creatures that go to sleep and rise with the sun to creatures who go to sleep at 1 and wake up at noon and then miraculously at the age of 22 suddenly change to creatures that go to bed at reasonable hours and wake up at reasonable hours .
It is all just social custom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'it was now medically established that it was better for teenagers to start their school day later in terms of their mental and physical health and how they learn better in the afternoon' 
ITYM 'socially' not 'medically'.
Teenagers are not biologically predisposed to staying up late and getting up late, otherwise they would have been doing this in the 1800s.
We don't evolve fast enough to have gone from creatures that go to sleep and rise with the sun to creatures who go to sleep at 1 and wake up at noon and then miraculously at the age of 22 suddenly change to creatures that go to bed at reasonable hours and wake up at reasonable hours.
It is all just social custom.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581274</id>
	<title>Re:Now only if they had thought of this 30 years a</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269345660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, the school bus really wastes time-out-of-your-life, especially if you're one of the first stops.  It doesn't even really save that much on fuel, because of the way the routes are planned, the many stops and acceleration, and the sheer bulk of the thing.  We really need a better option for places where walking doesn't work for whatever reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , the school bus really wastes time-out-of-your-life , especially if you 're one of the first stops .
It does n't even really save that much on fuel , because of the way the routes are planned , the many stops and acceleration , and the sheer bulk of the thing .
We really need a better option for places where walking does n't work for whatever reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, the school bus really wastes time-out-of-your-life, especially if you're one of the first stops.
It doesn't even really save that much on fuel, because of the way the routes are planned, the many stops and acceleration, and the sheer bulk of the thing.
We really need a better option for places where walking doesn't work for whatever reason.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31582738</id>
	<title>Morning is only part...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269355380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A teacher at an American high school from 2004 to 2007, I can testify that the fact the school day started at 0730 [or 0830 if a student only had six periods per day] was only part of the reason students skipped so damn much. Other problems were:</p><p>- The student parking lot was subject to flooding. Forecasts of rain would have students skipping over not having a parking space close enough to the school.</p><p>- Students would drive off campus to buy lunch, and unable to make it back in time, would skip all their afternoon classes.</p><p>- Even though four absences in a quarter result in an 'F' for the quarter, it was well known that the principal would make all those absences go away at the end of the year, mainly to boost the graduation rate and to keep "My child never skips!" parents at bay. Every year, about 1/4 of the senior class wouldn't meet the graduation requirements due to attendance failures, and the principal would make all those absences go away. The principal was himself a 1982 alum, football player, and all-around mediocre student, so he sympathizes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A teacher at an American high school from 2004 to 2007 , I can testify that the fact the school day started at 0730 [ or 0830 if a student only had six periods per day ] was only part of the reason students skipped so damn much .
Other problems were : - The student parking lot was subject to flooding .
Forecasts of rain would have students skipping over not having a parking space close enough to the school.- Students would drive off campus to buy lunch , and unable to make it back in time , would skip all their afternoon classes.- Even though four absences in a quarter result in an 'F ' for the quarter , it was well known that the principal would make all those absences go away at the end of the year , mainly to boost the graduation rate and to keep " My child never skips !
" parents at bay .
Every year , about 1/4 of the senior class would n't meet the graduation requirements due to attendance failures , and the principal would make all those absences go away .
The principal was himself a 1982 alum , football player , and all-around mediocre student , so he sympathizes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A teacher at an American high school from 2004 to 2007, I can testify that the fact the school day started at 0730 [or 0830 if a student only had six periods per day] was only part of the reason students skipped so damn much.
Other problems were:- The student parking lot was subject to flooding.
Forecasts of rain would have students skipping over not having a parking space close enough to the school.- Students would drive off campus to buy lunch, and unable to make it back in time, would skip all their afternoon classes.- Even though four absences in a quarter result in an 'F' for the quarter, it was well known that the principal would make all those absences go away at the end of the year, mainly to boost the graduation rate and to keep "My child never skips!
" parents at bay.
Every year, about 1/4 of the senior class wouldn't meet the graduation requirements due to attendance failures, and the principal would make all those absences go away.
The principal was himself a 1982 alum, football player, and all-around mediocre student, so he sympathizes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581188</id>
	<title>Re:Hawthorne Effect?</title>
	<author>bluesatin</author>
	<datestamp>1269344880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Research has shown that teenagers need more sleep than other age ranges: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7932950.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7932950.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Research has shown that teenagers need more sleep than other age ranges : http : //news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7932950.stm [ bbc.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Research has shown that teenagers need more sleep than other age ranges: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7932950.stm [bbc.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581482</id>
	<title>To Early, Did Not Read</title>
	<author>whisper\_jeff</author>
	<datestamp>1269347880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's too early to read the article. Can someone summarize for me?<br> <br>
(It's a joke. It's a joke. But, it is too early... I wish I was still asleep but I have to get up for work... I'd love to have flex hours and be able to start later. I'm pretty sure I'd be happier at my job if I could. I think this sort of approach to a school is brilliant and I applaud them for being bold enough to be willing to give it a try.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's too early to read the article .
Can someone summarize for me ?
( It 's a joke .
It 's a joke .
But , it is too early... I wish I was still asleep but I have to get up for work... I 'd love to have flex hours and be able to start later .
I 'm pretty sure I 'd be happier at my job if I could .
I think this sort of approach to a school is brilliant and I applaud them for being bold enough to be willing to give it a try .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's too early to read the article.
Can someone summarize for me?
(It's a joke.
It's a joke.
But, it is too early... I wish I was still asleep but I have to get up for work... I'd love to have flex hours and be able to start later.
I'm pretty sure I'd be happier at my job if I could.
I think this sort of approach to a school is brilliant and I applaud them for being bold enough to be willing to give it a try.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581622</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>ZeroExistenZ</author>
	<datestamp>1269349380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>but real working life doesn't run to that timetable</p></div></blockquote><p>Why is this an issue in a global connected world, with different timezones and artificial light? The tendency of "Millenials" would be that they accept more flexibility in work, yet fit it into their lifestyle and are allowed to shift their hours around. (teleworking, catching up hours after 5, some even come in at 7 to be able to leave at 3)...</p><p>I walk in at work between 10 and 11am. My clients know that if they book me earlier I'll show up, but am useless all day. It's something I wished wasn't so, but simply "sleeping earlier" just throws me off balance or I'm laying awake in bed.</p><p>My schooltime was hell because of this; I dragged myself through classes but was more trying to stay awake as  being able to pay attention... Just one hour more in bed would've been a world of difference to me and I would not have the perception of suffering through it and fighting each morning with myself to get up and through the day to stay awake.</p><p>For some reason, my biorithm is delayed compared to the "general population"; I get productive and creative in the afternoon and have it peak around midnight to wind down and end up going to sleep around 3-4am. Before noon, I'm waking up and useless, it's when I generally follow up on email but don't get anything significant done.</p><p>I do identify with the problems described as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed\_sleep\_phase\_syndrome" title="wikipedia.org">delayed sleep phase syndrome</a> [wikipedia.org] </p><p>So again, I cope well, I get my work done and get praised. You can't be creative or brilliant in just a certain timeslice, it's about getting your work done. Nobody cares when; you have to wait for Singapore to wake up to start working to get your issues resolved, the US to wake up to go through your communication and get a reply... I have my 8 hours a day (and more) I'm comitted to my clients, but never 9-5.</p></div>
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<tokenext>but real working life does n't run to that timetableWhy is this an issue in a global connected world , with different timezones and artificial light ?
The tendency of " Millenials " would be that they accept more flexibility in work , yet fit it into their lifestyle and are allowed to shift their hours around .
( teleworking , catching up hours after 5 , some even come in at 7 to be able to leave at 3 ) ...I walk in at work between 10 and 11am .
My clients know that if they book me earlier I 'll show up , but am useless all day .
It 's something I wished was n't so , but simply " sleeping earlier " just throws me off balance or I 'm laying awake in bed.My schooltime was hell because of this ; I dragged myself through classes but was more trying to stay awake as being able to pay attention... Just one hour more in bed would 've been a world of difference to me and I would not have the perception of suffering through it and fighting each morning with myself to get up and through the day to stay awake.For some reason , my biorithm is delayed compared to the " general population " ; I get productive and creative in the afternoon and have it peak around midnight to wind down and end up going to sleep around 3-4am .
Before noon , I 'm waking up and useless , it 's when I generally follow up on email but do n't get anything significant done.I do identify with the problems described as delayed sleep phase syndrome [ wikipedia.org ] So again , I cope well , I get my work done and get praised .
You ca n't be creative or brilliant in just a certain timeslice , it 's about getting your work done .
Nobody cares when ; you have to wait for Singapore to wake up to start working to get your issues resolved , the US to wake up to go through your communication and get a reply... I have my 8 hours a day ( and more ) I 'm comitted to my clients , but never 9-5 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but real working life doesn't run to that timetableWhy is this an issue in a global connected world, with different timezones and artificial light?
The tendency of "Millenials" would be that they accept more flexibility in work, yet fit it into their lifestyle and are allowed to shift their hours around.
(teleworking, catching up hours after 5, some even come in at 7 to be able to leave at 3)...I walk in at work between 10 and 11am.
My clients know that if they book me earlier I'll show up, but am useless all day.
It's something I wished wasn't so, but simply "sleeping earlier" just throws me off balance or I'm laying awake in bed.My schooltime was hell because of this; I dragged myself through classes but was more trying to stay awake as  being able to pay attention... Just one hour more in bed would've been a world of difference to me and I would not have the perception of suffering through it and fighting each morning with myself to get up and through the day to stay awake.For some reason, my biorithm is delayed compared to the "general population"; I get productive and creative in the afternoon and have it peak around midnight to wind down and end up going to sleep around 3-4am.
Before noon, I'm waking up and useless, it's when I generally follow up on email but don't get anything significant done.I do identify with the problems described as delayed sleep phase syndrome [wikipedia.org] So again, I cope well, I get my work done and get praised.
You can't be creative or brilliant in just a certain timeslice, it's about getting your work done.
Nobody cares when; you have to wait for Singapore to wake up to start working to get your issues resolved, the US to wake up to go through your communication and get a reply... I have my 8 hours a day (and more) I'm comitted to my clients, but never 9-5.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31582934</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>Scrameustache</author>
	<datestamp>1269356160000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but real working life doesn't run to that timetable</p></div><p>One of these evenings, us night people are going to kill all the early birds in their sleep, and the world will be a better place where people can rest in peace.</p></div>
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<tokenext>but real working life does n't run to that timetableOne of these evenings , us night people are going to kill all the early birds in their sleep , and the world will be a better place where people can rest in peace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but real working life doesn't run to that timetableOne of these evenings, us night people are going to kill all the early birds in their sleep, and the world will be a better place where people can rest in peace.
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	<title>Rubbish</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269371220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I cant believe that these kids were going in so late to begin with.  9 a.m. for a teenager should be easy as heck, but 10 well that sounds like some lazy rubbish across the pond.  I had to go in at 7:15, which meant that I was getting up around 6, and they are still doing it to this day.  It is a character builder and it fits with the rest of the work forces expectations for the real world.  Show me a job that starts at 10 in the morning and ill quit my job right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I cant believe that these kids were going in so late to begin with .
9 a.m. for a teenager should be easy as heck , but 10 well that sounds like some lazy rubbish across the pond .
I had to go in at 7 : 15 , which meant that I was getting up around 6 , and they are still doing it to this day .
It is a character builder and it fits with the rest of the work forces expectations for the real world .
Show me a job that starts at 10 in the morning and ill quit my job right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cant believe that these kids were going in so late to begin with.
9 a.m. for a teenager should be easy as heck, but 10 well that sounds like some lazy rubbish across the pond.
I had to go in at 7:15, which meant that I was getting up around 6, and they are still doing it to this day.
It is a character builder and it fits with the rest of the work forces expectations for the real world.
Show me a job that starts at 10 in the morning and ill quit my job right now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31580982</id>
	<title>Wellington High School already does this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269342360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington\_High\_School\_(New\_Zealand)" title="wikipedia.org">Wellington High School</a> [wikipedia.org], they have been starting the seniors about an hour later for the last few years. It seems to work well, and the students are happier for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At Wellington High School [ wikipedia.org ] , they have been starting the seniors about an hour later for the last few years .
It seems to work well , and the students are happier for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At Wellington High School [wikipedia.org], they have been starting the seniors about an hour later for the last few years.
It seems to work well, and the students are happier for it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31584378</id>
	<title>Re:Same shit</title>
	<author>HiGuys</author>
	<datestamp>1269361980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Several people have posted stating that time is arbitrary, but few psychologists would agree.  There are many clues (light, temperature) that night has arrived, and people generally react to these cues by sleeping.  Yes, artificial light and temperature control negate this to some extent, but not entirely.  Even if you keep the light on sometimes, your body still adapts its 24-hour rhythm to the environmental cues around it as best it can.  It's hard to say exactly why, but teenagers seem to prefer to stay awake a bit longer and ignore these cues.  Perhaps certain hormones are secreted at certain times of day that have an effect on energy levels.  Perhaps there was some evolutionary advantage to having teenagers available to patrol the early night hours.  I really don't have the answers to that, but the effect itself is real.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Several people have posted stating that time is arbitrary , but few psychologists would agree .
There are many clues ( light , temperature ) that night has arrived , and people generally react to these cues by sleeping .
Yes , artificial light and temperature control negate this to some extent , but not entirely .
Even if you keep the light on sometimes , your body still adapts its 24-hour rhythm to the environmental cues around it as best it can .
It 's hard to say exactly why , but teenagers seem to prefer to stay awake a bit longer and ignore these cues .
Perhaps certain hormones are secreted at certain times of day that have an effect on energy levels .
Perhaps there was some evolutionary advantage to having teenagers available to patrol the early night hours .
I really do n't have the answers to that , but the effect itself is real .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several people have posted stating that time is arbitrary, but few psychologists would agree.
There are many clues (light, temperature) that night has arrived, and people generally react to these cues by sleeping.
Yes, artificial light and temperature control negate this to some extent, but not entirely.
Even if you keep the light on sometimes, your body still adapts its 24-hour rhythm to the environmental cues around it as best it can.
It's hard to say exactly why, but teenagers seem to prefer to stay awake a bit longer and ignore these cues.
Perhaps certain hormones are secreted at certain times of day that have an effect on energy levels.
Perhaps there was some evolutionary advantage to having teenagers available to patrol the early night hours.
I really don't have the answers to that, but the effect itself is real.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31583370</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>AndersOSU</author>
	<datestamp>1269357960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When they seek employment they'll no longer be adolescents, which means they won't require as much sleep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When they seek employment they 'll no longer be adolescents , which means they wo n't require as much sleep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When they seek employment they'll no longer be adolescents, which means they won't require as much sleep.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31581360</id>
	<title>Re:Real World</title>
	<author>yabos</author>
	<datestamp>1269346560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's pretty well known that teenagers have a different biological clock that starts later in the day and ends later in the day as well when compared to adults.  This just proves that even more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's pretty well known that teenagers have a different biological clock that starts later in the day and ends later in the day as well when compared to adults .
This just proves that even more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's pretty well known that teenagers have a different biological clock that starts later in the day and ends later in the day as well when compared to adults.
This just proves that even more.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_0335204.31589736</id>
	<title>Re:Clock shift Or Late Surfing / Night Parties ?</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1269341040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. Biologically speaking, we all need a certain number of hours of sleep (teens need more). But, you can get the same amount of sleep regardless of what time you have to be at school...it's called going to bed earlier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
Biologically speaking , we all need a certain number of hours of sleep ( teens need more ) .
But , you can get the same amount of sleep regardless of what time you have to be at school...it 's called going to bed earlier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
Biologically speaking, we all need a certain number of hours of sleep (teens need more).
But, you can get the same amount of sleep regardless of what time you have to be at school...it's called going to bed earlier.</sentencetext>
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