<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_22_2041259</id>
	<title>Study Shows People In Power Make Better Liars</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1269249180000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>oDDmON oUT writes <i>"MSNBC is reporting that <a href="http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/ideasatwork/feature/735403/Powerful+Lies">a Columbia Business School study</a> shows <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35836844/ns/business-careers">those who hold power over others make better liars</a>. According to one of the study's coauthors, 'It just doesn't hurt them as much to do it.' For the average liar, she said, the act of lying elicits negative emotions, physiological stress and the fear of getting caught in a lie. As a result, she added, liars will often send out cues that they are lying by doing things like fidgeting in a chair or changing the rate of their speech. But for the powerful, the impact is very different: 'Power, it seems, enhances the same emotional, cognitive, and physiological systems that lie-telling depletes. People with power enjoy positive emotions, increases in cognitive function, and physiological resilience such as lower levels of the stress hormone cortisol. Thus, holding power over others might make it easier for people to tell lies.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>oDDmON oUT writes " MSNBC is reporting that a Columbia Business School study shows those who hold power over others make better liars .
According to one of the study 's coauthors , 'It just does n't hurt them as much to do it .
' For the average liar , she said , the act of lying elicits negative emotions , physiological stress and the fear of getting caught in a lie .
As a result , she added , liars will often send out cues that they are lying by doing things like fidgeting in a chair or changing the rate of their speech .
But for the powerful , the impact is very different : 'Power , it seems , enhances the same emotional , cognitive , and physiological systems that lie-telling depletes .
People with power enjoy positive emotions , increases in cognitive function , and physiological resilience such as lower levels of the stress hormone cortisol .
Thus , holding power over others might make it easier for people to tell lies .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oDDmON oUT writes "MSNBC is reporting that a Columbia Business School study shows those who hold power over others make better liars.
According to one of the study's coauthors, 'It just doesn't hurt them as much to do it.
' For the average liar, she said, the act of lying elicits negative emotions, physiological stress and the fear of getting caught in a lie.
As a result, she added, liars will often send out cues that they are lying by doing things like fidgeting in a chair or changing the rate of their speech.
But for the powerful, the impact is very different: 'Power, it seems, enhances the same emotional, cognitive, and physiological systems that lie-telling depletes.
People with power enjoy positive emotions, increases in cognitive function, and physiological resilience such as lower levels of the stress hormone cortisol.
Thus, holding power over others might make it easier for people to tell lies.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31577658</id>
	<title>A well-known effect: Self-fulfilling prophecies!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269263400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People will buy into what you think of yourself. And then react accordingly. Which then fulfills your prophecy that you are like that. Because everyone confirms it.</p><p>This is what creates the bullies, nerds, winners and losers in schools, companies, in all communities, and even on state/world level.<br>The guy who is the most secure of himself, becomes what most people listen to and believe in. Hence they become leaders.</p><p>The problem is, that we all think this would be something unchangable. That we ourselves would be just how we are. So many people think they are losers. And they could change it... just like that. By deciding that they are what they want to be. Which makes them act accordingly, makes others react accordingly, and so on, until it becomes reality.<br>I did that myself, and completely changed who I am.</p><p>But I&rsquo;m drifting off.<br>The thing is, that those leaders are so sure of their reality, that they can make themselves believe it is true and not a lie. They are trained experts in acting confident and secure. So everybody buys into it. Which is reason for becoming and the result of being a leader.</p><p>Remember to be aware of that wen around people. Know that you can play with it. If you play it right, the power structures will shift at your will, and you can act completely opposite to your actual thoughts and intentions. (If you want to.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People will buy into what you think of yourself .
And then react accordingly .
Which then fulfills your prophecy that you are like that .
Because everyone confirms it.This is what creates the bullies , nerds , winners and losers in schools , companies , in all communities , and even on state/world level.The guy who is the most secure of himself , becomes what most people listen to and believe in .
Hence they become leaders.The problem is , that we all think this would be something unchangable .
That we ourselves would be just how we are .
So many people think they are losers .
And they could change it... just like that .
By deciding that they are what they want to be .
Which makes them act accordingly , makes others react accordingly , and so on , until it becomes reality.I did that myself , and completely changed who I am.But I    m drifting off.The thing is , that those leaders are so sure of their reality , that they can make themselves believe it is true and not a lie .
They are trained experts in acting confident and secure .
So everybody buys into it .
Which is reason for becoming and the result of being a leader.Remember to be aware of that wen around people .
Know that you can play with it .
If you play it right , the power structures will shift at your will , and you can act completely opposite to your actual thoughts and intentions .
( If you want to .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People will buy into what you think of yourself.
And then react accordingly.
Which then fulfills your prophecy that you are like that.
Because everyone confirms it.This is what creates the bullies, nerds, winners and losers in schools, companies, in all communities, and even on state/world level.The guy who is the most secure of himself, becomes what most people listen to and believe in.
Hence they become leaders.The problem is, that we all think this would be something unchangable.
That we ourselves would be just how we are.
So many people think they are losers.
And they could change it... just like that.
By deciding that they are what they want to be.
Which makes them act accordingly, makes others react accordingly, and so on, until it becomes reality.I did that myself, and completely changed who I am.But I’m drifting off.The thing is, that those leaders are so sure of their reality, that they can make themselves believe it is true and not a lie.
They are trained experts in acting confident and secure.
So everybody buys into it.
Which is reason for becoming and the result of being a leader.Remember to be aware of that wen around people.
Know that you can play with it.
If you play it right, the power structures will shift at your will, and you can act completely opposite to your actual thoughts and intentions.
(If you want to.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575788</id>
	<title>Can I just say...</title>
	<author>epp\_b</author>
	<datestamp>1269253980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Duh</htmltext>
<tokenext>Duh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Duh</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31577428</id>
	<title>We need a new tag for stories like this</title>
	<author>BigBadBus</author>
	<datestamp>1269262020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"No shit, sherlock"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" No shit , sherlock "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"No shit, sherlock"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576720</id>
	<title>Lie detection systems are totally meaningless?</title>
	<author>nfc\_Death</author>
	<datestamp>1269258000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wouldn't this mean that depending on your social, financial, or business stature, all lie detections systems will not work properly?
Do not lie detection systems rely on some basic similarities in physiological human response to achieve their goal?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't this mean that depending on your social , financial , or business stature , all lie detections systems will not work properly ?
Do not lie detection systems rely on some basic similarities in physiological human response to achieve their goal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't this mean that depending on your social, financial, or business stature, all lie detections systems will not work properly?
Do not lie detection systems rely on some basic similarities in physiological human response to achieve their goal?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576920</id>
	<title>Better liars or better speakers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269259020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if they were asked to present facts? Does having a position of power increase your confidence overall, or does it only affect your lying ability?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if they were asked to present facts ?
Does having a position of power increase your confidence overall , or does it only affect your lying ability ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if they were asked to present facts?
Does having a position of power increase your confidence overall, or does it only affect your lying ability?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576668</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Livius</author>
	<datestamp>1269257700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously.  Haven't these people ever met anyone in power?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously .
Have n't these people ever met anyone in power ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously.
Haven't these people ever met anyone in power?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575692</id>
	<title>No shit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269253620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obama certainly fucked you yanks good. Serves you bitches right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama certainly fucked you yanks good .
Serves you bitches right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama certainly fucked you yanks good.
Serves you bitches right.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31579308</id>
	<title>Re:Business Schools</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1269277320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not surprised since we started those programs while I was president at the school.  It was challenging, doing a good job around dating Pamela Anderson.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not surprised since we started those programs while I was president at the school .
It was challenging , doing a good job around dating Pamela Anderson .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not surprised since we started those programs while I was president at the school.
It was challenging, doing a good job around dating Pamela Anderson.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575490</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575570</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269253140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You took the words right out of my mouth. It certainly wasn't while you were kissing me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You took the words right out of my mouth .
It certainly was n't while you were kissing me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You took the words right out of my mouth.
It certainly wasn't while you were kissing me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576382</id>
	<title>Obvious to parents</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269256500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>For anyone who's ever been a parent, this is obvious.  I can lie my teeth off to my kids without so much as flinching (all in their best interest of course), but they can't so much as bend the truth without contorting themselves into a pretzel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For anyone who 's ever been a parent , this is obvious .
I can lie my teeth off to my kids without so much as flinching ( all in their best interest of course ) , but they ca n't so much as bend the truth without contorting themselves into a pretzel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For anyone who's ever been a parent, this is obvious.
I can lie my teeth off to my kids without so much as flinching (all in their best interest of course), but they can't so much as bend the truth without contorting themselves into a pretzel.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575778</id>
	<title>Re:Business Schools</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1269253980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems more appropriate applied to the EU Parliament or the US Congress.  "We will not ratify the Lisbon Treaty without a popular referendum."   -  "We will have more open government watchable on CSPAN, not hidden behind doors."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems more appropriate applied to the EU Parliament or the US Congress .
" We will not ratify the Lisbon Treaty without a popular referendum .
" - " We will have more open government watchable on CSPAN , not hidden behind doors .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems more appropriate applied to the EU Parliament or the US Congress.
"We will not ratify the Lisbon Treaty without a popular referendum.
"   -  "We will have more open government watchable on CSPAN, not hidden behind doors.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575490</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576908</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>icebrain</author>
	<datestamp>1269258960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Power corrupts.  That was noticed a couple millenia ago.  What's sad is that so many people willingly and eagerly let themselves be lied to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Power corrupts .
That was noticed a couple millenia ago .
What 's sad is that so many people willingly and eagerly let themselves be lied to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Power corrupts.
That was noticed a couple millenia ago.
What's sad is that so many people willingly and eagerly let themselves be lied to.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576068</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31591986</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269351060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...or maybe they have just been practicing at lying far longer...the time it took them to lie their way from the bottom to the top...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...or maybe they have just been practicing at lying far longer...the time it took them to lie their way from the bottom to the top.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...or maybe they have just been practicing at lying far longer...the time it took them to lie their way from the bottom to the top...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575544</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269253020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe it's because most leaders are psychopaths, so they have absolute no problem telling lies at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's because most leaders are psychopaths , so they have absolute no problem telling lies at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's because most leaders are psychopaths, so they have absolute no problem telling lies at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576076</id>
	<title>Cue the religious debate folks</title>
	<author>thewils</author>
	<datestamp>1269255300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because this is exactly what high priests in religion have been doing for centuries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because this is exactly what high priests in religion have been doing for centuries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because this is exactly what high priests in religion have been doing for centuries.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575856</id>
	<title>Job skill</title>
	<author>Citizen of Earth</author>
	<datestamp>1269254340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lying is an important job skill for people in power.  Either people are born with the aptitude, they learn it, or they are at a disadvantage to good liars at acquiring and holding power.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lying is an important job skill for people in power .
Either people are born with the aptitude , they learn it , or they are at a disadvantage to good liars at acquiring and holding power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lying is an important job skill for people in power.
Either people are born with the aptitude, they learn it, or they are at a disadvantage to good liars at acquiring and holding power.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31580690</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269338820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want to hear the truth, which is why I never listen to politicians or their puppeteers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to hear the truth , which is why I never listen to politicians or their puppeteers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want to hear the truth, which is why I never listen to politicians or their puppeteers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575724</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576282</id>
	<title>correlation is not causation</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1269256140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really think this should become more of a slashdot meme.  People could really learn from it.</p><p>People who are better liars tend to rise to power more often than people who aren't.  We have already identified that most people in power are also sociopaths.  What the summary would seem to be saying is that people who are placed in power develop comfort telling lies.  If there is a causation, it's that better liars end up in power more often than those who aren't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really think this should become more of a slashdot meme .
People could really learn from it.People who are better liars tend to rise to power more often than people who are n't .
We have already identified that most people in power are also sociopaths .
What the summary would seem to be saying is that people who are placed in power develop comfort telling lies .
If there is a causation , it 's that better liars end up in power more often than those who are n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really think this should become more of a slashdot meme.
People could really learn from it.People who are better liars tend to rise to power more often than people who aren't.
We have already identified that most people in power are also sociopaths.
What the summary would seem to be saying is that people who are placed in power develop comfort telling lies.
If there is a causation, it's that better liars end up in power more often than those who aren't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31578036</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269265800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power, they become psychopaths."</p><p>Define psychopath, what defines a psychopath?  This slashdot babble getting modded insightful/interesting is a little disturbing and reflects poorly on the mods.  The fact of the matter is if the people dont' stand up for their rights and eject such people from power then they get what they deserve.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power , they become psychopaths .
" Define psychopath , what defines a psychopath ?
This slashdot babble getting modded insightful/interesting is a little disturbing and reflects poorly on the mods .
The fact of the matter is if the people dont ' stand up for their rights and eject such people from power then they get what they deserve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power, they become psychopaths.
"Define psychopath, what defines a psychopath?
This slashdot babble getting modded insightful/interesting is a little disturbing and reflects poorly on the mods.
The fact of the matter is if the people dont' stand up for their rights and eject such people from power then they get what they deserve.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576068</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575840</id>
	<title>No kidding</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269254280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>How do you think they <b>got</b> in power?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you think they got in power ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you think they got in power?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31578634</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>izomiac</author>
	<datestamp>1269270480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IMHO it's more likely that lying to someone who's more powerful than you is riskier and thus more stressful.  Plus there's the whole boss ~= parent mental association that's bound to have some kind of effect.</htmltext>
<tokenext>IMHO it 's more likely that lying to someone who 's more powerful than you is riskier and thus more stressful .
Plus there 's the whole boss ~ = parent mental association that 's bound to have some kind of effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMHO it's more likely that lying to someone who's more powerful than you is riskier and thus more stressful.
Plus there's the whole boss ~= parent mental association that's bound to have some kind of effect.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576068</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31578446</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269268920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Maybe it's because most leaders are <b>psychopaths</b>, so they have absolute no problem telling lies at
all.</p></div></blockquote><p>

I believe the word you're looking for is "sociopath".<br> <br>

Whist both sociopaths and psychopaths both seek power pathologically but psychopaths generally aren't very successful due to the fact they keep killing people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's because most leaders are psychopaths , so they have absolute no problem telling lies at all .
I believe the word you 're looking for is " sociopath " .
Whist both sociopaths and psychopaths both seek power pathologically but psychopaths generally are n't very successful due to the fact they keep killing people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's because most leaders are psychopaths, so they have absolute no problem telling lies at
all.
I believe the word you're looking for is "sociopath".
Whist both sociopaths and psychopaths both seek power pathologically but psychopaths generally aren't very successful due to the fact they keep killing people.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575544</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575622</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269253320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or maybe you could RTFA where in the study they control for that... because the participants in the study were randomly assigned "leader" and "subordinate" roles.<br> <br>Fricking knee-jerk "Correlation != Causation".  <br> <br>It's quite possible that both claims are true (TFA's and yours) -- but in this case, it appears from the study simply that:<br> <br>Causation = Causation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or maybe you could RTFA where in the study they control for that... because the participants in the study were randomly assigned " leader " and " subordinate " roles .
Fricking knee-jerk " Correlation ! = Causation " .
It 's quite possible that both claims are true ( TFA 's and yours ) -- but in this case , it appears from the study simply that : Causation = Causation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or maybe you could RTFA where in the study they control for that... because the participants in the study were randomly assigned "leader" and "subordinate" roles.
Fricking knee-jerk "Correlation != Causation".
It's quite possible that both claims are true (TFA's and yours) -- but in this case, it appears from the study simply that: Causation = Causation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575898</id>
	<title>Where's the transparency?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269254520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Come on Obama. You're fumbling the ball and I can't help but to think it's on purpose.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on Obama .
You 're fumbling the ball and I ca n't help but to think it 's on purpose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on Obama.
You're fumbling the ball and I can't help but to think it's on purpose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31580618</id>
	<title>Politics.</title>
	<author>v(*\_*)vvvv</author>
	<datestamp>1269337980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't have to be a liar to be a great politician, but a great liar will make a great politician, and the ability to lie and act would give any politician a great advantage over others who can't.</p><p>Lying only works on people. You cannot build a house on false measurements. The measurements have to be honest. But you can build a church on lies. You can gather people and make them work for you under false premises. Imagine the advantage you would have if your words were not restricted to what is true?</p><p>A stack of lies will only crumble if challenged, or rather, until challenged. So once in power, using your power to prevent people from challenging your lies becomes half the battle of staying in power. History illustrates this time and time again.</p><p>Ultimately though, there is nothing stronger than structure built on truth, and I would argue that the best leaders got where they were with the truths they told, and that their lies were their weakness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't have to be a liar to be a great politician , but a great liar will make a great politician , and the ability to lie and act would give any politician a great advantage over others who ca n't.Lying only works on people .
You can not build a house on false measurements .
The measurements have to be honest .
But you can build a church on lies .
You can gather people and make them work for you under false premises .
Imagine the advantage you would have if your words were not restricted to what is true ? A stack of lies will only crumble if challenged , or rather , until challenged .
So once in power , using your power to prevent people from challenging your lies becomes half the battle of staying in power .
History illustrates this time and time again.Ultimately though , there is nothing stronger than structure built on truth , and I would argue that the best leaders got where they were with the truths they told , and that their lies were their weakness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't have to be a liar to be a great politician, but a great liar will make a great politician, and the ability to lie and act would give any politician a great advantage over others who can't.Lying only works on people.
You cannot build a house on false measurements.
The measurements have to be honest.
But you can build a church on lies.
You can gather people and make them work for you under false premises.
Imagine the advantage you would have if your words were not restricted to what is true?A stack of lies will only crumble if challenged, or rather, until challenged.
So once in power, using your power to prevent people from challenging your lies becomes half the battle of staying in power.
History illustrates this time and time again.Ultimately though, there is nothing stronger than structure built on truth, and I would argue that the best leaders got where they were with the truths they told, and that their lies were their weakness.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575612</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Taibhsear</author>
	<datestamp>1269253260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly what I was going to say. Would mod up if I had points.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly what I was going to say .
Would mod up if I had points .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly what I was going to say.
Would mod up if I had points.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576048</id>
	<title>The Harkonnen Complex</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269255180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."</p><p>--Frank Herbert; Chapterhouse: Dune (1985)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" All governments suffer a recurring problem : Power attracts pathological personalities .
It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible .
Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence , a condition to which they are quickly addicted .
" --Frank Herbert ; Chapterhouse : Dune ( 1985 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities.
It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible.
Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted.
"--Frank Herbert; Chapterhouse: Dune (1985)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31577460</id>
	<title>Lying gets easier with practice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269262140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I observed one of my colleagues get promoted from engineer to manager.  At first he was obviously uncomfortable telling us lies. (e.g. the company is not planning any layoffs).  After he had been in the position for about a year, he was much more comfortable repeating the official corporate lines, even when I knew that he wasn't telling the truth. He was still a nice guy, not a psychopath, so I attributed a fair amount of this change to practice.  According to this research, maybe some of it was that he was secure in the power he established over the group.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I observed one of my colleagues get promoted from engineer to manager .
At first he was obviously uncomfortable telling us lies .
( e.g. the company is not planning any layoffs ) .
After he had been in the position for about a year , he was much more comfortable repeating the official corporate lines , even when I knew that he was n't telling the truth .
He was still a nice guy , not a psychopath , so I attributed a fair amount of this change to practice .
According to this research , maybe some of it was that he was secure in the power he established over the group .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I observed one of my colleagues get promoted from engineer to manager.
At first he was obviously uncomfortable telling us lies.
(e.g. the company is not planning any layoffs).
After he had been in the position for about a year, he was much more comfortable repeating the official corporate lines, even when I knew that he wasn't telling the truth.
He was still a nice guy, not a psychopath, so I attributed a fair amount of this change to practice.
According to this research, maybe some of it was that he was secure in the power he established over the group.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575752</id>
	<title>There's worse than lying</title>
	<author>e2d2</author>
	<datestamp>1269253860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know there's worse things than lying. For instance bullshit. Bullshitters don't even acknowledge that the truth is important, at least liars do that by knowingly lying. Bullshitters believe the crap they spout.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know there 's worse things than lying .
For instance bullshit .
Bullshitters do n't even acknowledge that the truth is important , at least liars do that by knowingly lying .
Bullshitters believe the crap they spout .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know there's worse things than lying.
For instance bullshit.
Bullshitters don't even acknowledge that the truth is important, at least liars do that by knowingly lying.
Bullshitters believe the crap they spout.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31579154</id>
	<title>Natural</title>
	<author>The Abused Developer</author>
	<datestamp>1269275580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nothing unexpected<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... as more power you have less fear you have about the consequences of getting caught lying;
also, the ethical and moral burden is not anymore an issue as we are brain washed for decades that lying is the
normality when the liar must show leadership or has political reasoning. So, welcome to the future where things are
well established that the ones owning the power will own it and pass it to the ones they will choose as fit to perpetuate
the same status quo. Hooray to the glory of the North American Bison Citizen<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing unexpected ... as more power you have less fear you have about the consequences of getting caught lying ; also , the ethical and moral burden is not anymore an issue as we are brain washed for decades that lying is the normality when the liar must show leadership or has political reasoning .
So , welcome to the future where things are well established that the ones owning the power will own it and pass it to the ones they will choose as fit to perpetuate the same status quo .
Hooray to the glory of the North American Bison Citizen .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing unexpected ... as more power you have less fear you have about the consequences of getting caught lying;
also, the ethical and moral burden is not anymore an issue as we are brain washed for decades that lying is the
normality when the liar must show leadership or has political reasoning.
So, welcome to the future where things are
well established that the ones owning the power will own it and pass it to the ones they will choose as fit to perpetuate
the same status quo.
Hooray to the glory of the North American Bison Citizen ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576984</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>cptdondo</author>
	<datestamp>1269259380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, what is the cost of lying?  If you're a leader, someone might call you out, but probably not.  More likely you get more power, as people follow you because you tell them what they want to hear.</p><p>If you're a subordinate, you can get penalized - fired, demoted, reprimanded.</p><p>So the punishment for lying is different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , what is the cost of lying ?
If you 're a leader , someone might call you out , but probably not .
More likely you get more power , as people follow you because you tell them what they want to hear.If you 're a subordinate , you can get penalized - fired , demoted , reprimanded.So the punishment for lying is different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, what is the cost of lying?
If you're a leader, someone might call you out, but probably not.
More likely you get more power, as people follow you because you tell them what they want to hear.If you're a subordinate, you can get penalized - fired, demoted, reprimanded.So the punishment for lying is different.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576960</id>
	<title>Lying sometimes needed for effective leadership?</title>
	<author>Louai</author>
	<datestamp>1269259200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Something no one seems to have mentioned yet is that lying might sometimes be necessary for effective leadership.</p><p>Since this is Slashdot, think of Theoden at the battle at Helm's Deep. Putting on a brace face, sometimes straight out lying about things. I can imagine e.g. tribal leaders doing the same thing. So there might be a mechanism whereby people either develop these skills when in a leadership position, or the people who tend towards lying more easily attain these positions.</p><p>Of course, this can only ever be a positive thing if the leader in question actually cares about his underlings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Something no one seems to have mentioned yet is that lying might sometimes be necessary for effective leadership.Since this is Slashdot , think of Theoden at the battle at Helm 's Deep .
Putting on a brace face , sometimes straight out lying about things .
I can imagine e.g .
tribal leaders doing the same thing .
So there might be a mechanism whereby people either develop these skills when in a leadership position , or the people who tend towards lying more easily attain these positions.Of course , this can only ever be a positive thing if the leader in question actually cares about his underlings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something no one seems to have mentioned yet is that lying might sometimes be necessary for effective leadership.Since this is Slashdot, think of Theoden at the battle at Helm's Deep.
Putting on a brace face, sometimes straight out lying about things.
I can imagine e.g.
tribal leaders doing the same thing.
So there might be a mechanism whereby people either develop these skills when in a leadership position, or the people who tend towards lying more easily attain these positions.Of course, this can only ever be a positive thing if the leader in question actually cares about his underlings.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31577240</id>
	<title>so...</title>
	<author>CosaNostra Pizza Inc</author>
	<datestamp>1269260820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The higher up the corporate ladder a person is, the more people he/she has control over and thus he/she is a bigger liar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The higher up the corporate ladder a person is , the more people he/she has control over and thus he/she is a bigger liar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The higher up the corporate ladder a person is, the more people he/she has control over and thus he/she is a bigger liar.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575854</id>
	<title>We call them sociopaths.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269254340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They must have missed the study by another university that also reads that sociopaths tend to be in some position of power. Must be easy to miss too because not remembering a lot about the study I couldn't find the link to it with Google either. It still has to be somewhere on this vast web we call the internet. Anyone else happen to read and bookmark it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They must have missed the study by another university that also reads that sociopaths tend to be in some position of power .
Must be easy to miss too because not remembering a lot about the study I could n't find the link to it with Google either .
It still has to be somewhere on this vast web we call the internet .
Anyone else happen to read and bookmark it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They must have missed the study by another university that also reads that sociopaths tend to be in some position of power.
Must be easy to miss too because not remembering a lot about the study I couldn't find the link to it with Google either.
It still has to be somewhere on this vast web we call the internet.
Anyone else happen to read and bookmark it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31577176</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269260460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Power corrupts".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Power corrupts " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Power corrupts".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31577074</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>John Saffran</author>
	<datestamp>1269259920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's one highly likely cause, but probably not the only one<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. there's been some experiments that demonstrated that people in power <i>change</i>, generally for the worse.

The Standford experiment is the classic example, though it's not definite (is anything in psychology definte though?), but it's a good indicator that power also changes normal people. Another good example would the Abu Ghraib occurrences, I doubt the prison guards would've pictured themselves that way when they were normal civilians.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's one highly likely cause , but probably not the only one .. there 's been some experiments that demonstrated that people in power change , generally for the worse .
The Standford experiment is the classic example , though it 's not definite ( is anything in psychology definte though ?
) , but it 's a good indicator that power also changes normal people .
Another good example would the Abu Ghraib occurrences , I doubt the prison guards would 've pictured themselves that way when they were normal civilians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's one highly likely cause, but probably not the only one .. there's been some experiments that demonstrated that people in power change, generally for the worse.
The Standford experiment is the classic example, though it's not definite (is anything in psychology definte though?
), but it's a good indicator that power also changes normal people.
Another good example would the Abu Ghraib occurrences, I doubt the prison guards would've pictured themselves that way when they were normal civilians.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31577434</id>
	<title>The power to punish...</title>
	<author>Guppy</author>
	<datestamp>1269262080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>'It just doesn't hurt them as much to do it.' For the average liar, she said, the act of lying elicits negative emotions, physiological stress and the fear of getting caught in a lie</p></div><p>"It just doesn't hurt them as much".  Let's put it another way.  If you're at the bottom of the heap, there's plenty of people with the ability to administer punishment if they don't believe you.</p><p>But if you're at the top, if you lie and they don't believe you -- you're the one who can dish out the punishment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'It just does n't hurt them as much to do it .
' For the average liar , she said , the act of lying elicits negative emotions , physiological stress and the fear of getting caught in a lie " It just does n't hurt them as much " .
Let 's put it another way .
If you 're at the bottom of the heap , there 's plenty of people with the ability to administer punishment if they do n't believe you.But if you 're at the top , if you lie and they do n't believe you -- you 're the one who can dish out the punishment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'It just doesn't hurt them as much to do it.
' For the average liar, she said, the act of lying elicits negative emotions, physiological stress and the fear of getting caught in a lie"It just doesn't hurt them as much".
Let's put it another way.
If you're at the bottom of the heap, there's plenty of people with the ability to administer punishment if they don't believe you.But if you're at the top, if you lie and they don't believe you -- you're the one who can dish out the punishment.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575532</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269253020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BINGO!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BINGO !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BINGO!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31578542</id>
	<title>Is it that...</title>
	<author>hittman007</author>
	<datestamp>1269269700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So is it that being in power makes you a better liar, or are you in power because you were the better liar?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So is it that being in power makes you a better liar , or are you in power because you were the better liar ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So is it that being in power makes you a better liar, or are you in power because you were the better liar?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31578482</id>
	<title>Re:No kidding</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1269269220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the study, sheer luck. In real life as well, sheer luck plays a fairly significant role.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the study , sheer luck .
In real life as well , sheer luck plays a fairly significant role .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the study, sheer luck.
In real life as well, sheer luck plays a fairly significant role.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31579696</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269281340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power, they become psychopaths.</p></div><p>Perfect example, of this: the Stanford prison experiment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford\_prison\_experiment</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power , they become psychopaths.Perfect example , of this : the Stanford prison experiment : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford \ _prison \ _experiment</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power, they become psychopaths.Perfect example, of this: the Stanford prison experiment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford\_prison\_experiment
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31578832</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>turbidostato</author>
	<datestamp>1269272280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Well, if that's all there is to it, then it would always be the salesman who climbs the ladder."</p><p>As, in fact, it happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Well , if that 's all there is to it , then it would always be the salesman who climbs the ladder .
" As , in fact , it happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Well, if that's all there is to it, then it would always be the salesman who climbs the ladder.
"As, in fact, it happens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31577644</id>
	<title>Politicians</title>
	<author>p51d007</author>
	<datestamp>1269263280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pretty much explains the dopes in Washington DC doesn't it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty much explains the dopes in Washington DC does n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty much explains the dopes in Washington DC doesn't it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576640</id>
	<title>Where's the transparency?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269257640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mod me down but you know that Obama is a fucking liar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod me down but you know that Obama is a fucking liar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod me down but you know that Obama is a fucking liar.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575648</id>
	<title>TFA isn't true</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269253380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TFA isn't true. I'll prove it:</p><p>I.. uh.. have had sex before.</p><p>She had big bobs.</p><p>Yeah, they were nice.</p><p>You know, when you, like,<br>you grab a woman's breast<br>and it's...</p><p>And you feel it and...</p><p>it feels like a bag of sand<br>when you're touching it.</p><p>(please dont mod me down, you point holders have all the power)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA is n't true .
I 'll prove it : I.. uh.. have had sex before.She had big bobs.Yeah , they were nice.You know , when you , like,you grab a woman 's breastand it 's...And you feel it and...it feels like a bag of sandwhen you 're touching it .
( please dont mod me down , you point holders have all the power )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA isn't true.
I'll prove it:I.. uh.. have had sex before.She had big bobs.Yeah, they were nice.You know, when you, like,you grab a woman's breastand it's...And you feel it and...it feels like a bag of sandwhen you're touching it.
(please dont mod me down, you point holders have all the power)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31578104</id>
	<title>Same NBC that says the comcast deal is good for pe</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1269266340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same NBC that says the comcast deal is good for people! NO it's good for comcast and bad for dish and directv and people how have DBS.</p><p>Comcast also lies about having more HD. But they count each PPV VOD movie as a channel and they also count the super part time NFL RED ZONE HD, GAME1 HD, Game2 HD, PPV HD, TEAM HD as channels. Even when with GAME1 HD, Game2 HD, PPV HD and TEAM HD only 2 can be live at one time and they only show live events and are far from being 24/7. NFL RED ZONE HD is only live for about 6 hours a day 1 day a week and this not even year round. Some systems also have a 24/7 comcast info channel HD that just shows looping help videos and they are not even in HD But they do have from time to time a HD RSN over flow game on it.</p><p>Comcast also seems to play around with there hidden fees. Like Outlet fees and HD fees. Some deals clam free Free HD - no HD access fees or HD equipment fees* but the fine print says stuff like limited to a single outlet and Equipment extra. (so they say free HD and say Equipment extra?) also HD is $9 per box and HD DVR is $16-$20 per box as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same NBC that says the comcast deal is good for people !
NO it 's good for comcast and bad for dish and directv and people how have DBS.Comcast also lies about having more HD .
But they count each PPV VOD movie as a channel and they also count the super part time NFL RED ZONE HD , GAME1 HD , Game2 HD , PPV HD , TEAM HD as channels .
Even when with GAME1 HD , Game2 HD , PPV HD and TEAM HD only 2 can be live at one time and they only show live events and are far from being 24/7 .
NFL RED ZONE HD is only live for about 6 hours a day 1 day a week and this not even year round .
Some systems also have a 24/7 comcast info channel HD that just shows looping help videos and they are not even in HD But they do have from time to time a HD RSN over flow game on it.Comcast also seems to play around with there hidden fees .
Like Outlet fees and HD fees .
Some deals clam free Free HD - no HD access fees or HD equipment fees * but the fine print says stuff like limited to a single outlet and Equipment extra .
( so they say free HD and say Equipment extra ?
) also HD is $ 9 per box and HD DVR is $ 16- $ 20 per box as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same NBC that says the comcast deal is good for people!
NO it's good for comcast and bad for dish and directv and people how have DBS.Comcast also lies about having more HD.
But they count each PPV VOD movie as a channel and they also count the super part time NFL RED ZONE HD, GAME1 HD, Game2 HD, PPV HD, TEAM HD as channels.
Even when with GAME1 HD, Game2 HD, PPV HD and TEAM HD only 2 can be live at one time and they only show live events and are far from being 24/7.
NFL RED ZONE HD is only live for about 6 hours a day 1 day a week and this not even year round.
Some systems also have a 24/7 comcast info channel HD that just shows looping help videos and they are not even in HD But they do have from time to time a HD RSN over flow game on it.Comcast also seems to play around with there hidden fees.
Like Outlet fees and HD fees.
Some deals clam free Free HD - no HD access fees or HD equipment fees* but the fine print says stuff like limited to a single outlet and Equipment extra.
(so they say free HD and say Equipment extra?
) also HD is $9 per box and HD DVR is $16-$20 per box as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31579536</id>
	<title>I think ...</title>
	<author>SlashDev</author>
	<datestamp>1269279600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... the researchers and article have it backwards, it's liars who make it to positions of power.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... the researchers and article have it backwards , it 's liars who make it to positions of power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the researchers and article have it backwards, it's liars who make it to positions of power.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31578598</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1269270180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power, they become psychopaths.</p></div><p>And in other news, when you apply a force to something it accelerates in inverse proportion to its mass...</p><p>Seriously, why is it in the sciences we can prove things by experiment and they stay proved, but in the social "sciences" every repeat of a well-known, empirically proven result is considered new and insightful?</p><p>Is it the lack of sound biological foundation for the social "sciences", so that there is no notion that some truths--like those revealed decades ago by the Stanford Prison Experiment and the Milgram Experiment, as well as many, many actual field observations, from Auschwitz to Abu Ghraib--are in any way fundamental?  The strong tendency of people in power to abuse that power is not a truism or "philosophical" observation, but an ordinary empirical fact.</p><p>It's as if social "scientists" were continually running experiments in which they didn't give people food for a week and reported with breathless amazement at the end that the subjects were hungry!  Isn't that amazing?  No, it isn't, unless you haven't been paying any attention to anything for the past thirty or forty years.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power , they become psychopaths.And in other news , when you apply a force to something it accelerates in inverse proportion to its mass...Seriously , why is it in the sciences we can prove things by experiment and they stay proved , but in the social " sciences " every repeat of a well-known , empirically proven result is considered new and insightful ? Is it the lack of sound biological foundation for the social " sciences " , so that there is no notion that some truths--like those revealed decades ago by the Stanford Prison Experiment and the Milgram Experiment , as well as many , many actual field observations , from Auschwitz to Abu Ghraib--are in any way fundamental ?
The strong tendency of people in power to abuse that power is not a truism or " philosophical " observation , but an ordinary empirical fact.It 's as if social " scientists " were continually running experiments in which they did n't give people food for a week and reported with breathless amazement at the end that the subjects were hungry !
Is n't that amazing ?
No , it is n't , unless you have n't been paying any attention to anything for the past thirty or forty years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power, they become psychopaths.And in other news, when you apply a force to something it accelerates in inverse proportion to its mass...Seriously, why is it in the sciences we can prove things by experiment and they stay proved, but in the social "sciences" every repeat of a well-known, empirically proven result is considered new and insightful?Is it the lack of sound biological foundation for the social "sciences", so that there is no notion that some truths--like those revealed decades ago by the Stanford Prison Experiment and the Milgram Experiment, as well as many, many actual field observations, from Auschwitz to Abu Ghraib--are in any way fundamental?
The strong tendency of people in power to abuse that power is not a truism or "philosophical" observation, but an ordinary empirical fact.It's as if social "scientists" were continually running experiments in which they didn't give people food for a week and reported with breathless amazement at the end that the subjects were hungry!
Isn't that amazing?
No, it isn't, unless you haven't been paying any attention to anything for the past thirty or forty years.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576068</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31580260</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1269375360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power, they become psychopaths.</i> <br> <br>Except that there don't appear to be that many actual cases of people being <b>randomly</b> assigned to positions of power. Even juries which are specifically intended to be random frequently are not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power , they become psychopaths .
Except that there do n't appear to be that many actual cases of people being randomly assigned to positions of power .
Even juries which are specifically intended to be random frequently are not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power, they become psychopaths.
Except that there don't appear to be that many actual cases of people being randomly assigned to positions of power.
Even juries which are specifically intended to be random frequently are not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576068</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576594</id>
	<title>cause / effect?</title>
	<author>loshwomp</author>
	<datestamp>1269257460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So which is the cause, and which is the effect?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So which is the cause , and which is the effect ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So which is the cause, and which is the effect?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575936</id>
	<title>Thanks, Captain Obvious!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269254700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ihttp://www.sustainabilityninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/captain-obvious.jpg</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ihttp : //www.sustainabilityninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/captain-obvious.jpg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ihttp://www.sustainabilityninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/captain-obvious.jpg</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576936</id>
	<title>Oxymoronic</title>
	<author>517714</author>
	<datestamp>1269259080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Better Liars?  Wouldn't a better liar be one who is not capable of lying and getting away with it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Better Liars ?
Would n't a better liar be one who is not capable of lying and getting away with it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better Liars?
Wouldn't a better liar be one who is not capable of lying and getting away with it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31608092</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1269509700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a well known correlation between success and EQ. I'm guessing that EQ allows people to lie more easily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a well known correlation between success and EQ .
I 'm guessing that EQ allows people to lie more easily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a well known correlation between success and EQ.
I'm guessing that EQ allows people to lie more easily.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576434</id>
	<title>Cops lie alot too</title>
	<author>DABANSHEE</author>
	<datestamp>1269256620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I doubt there's many people that lie as much as cops do on a daily basis &amp; get away with it. &amp; I've yet to see a polices facts statement or brief that wasn't full of lies. No wonder bugger all trust coppers these days</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt there 's many people that lie as much as cops do on a daily basis &amp; get away with it .
&amp; I 've yet to see a polices facts statement or brief that was n't full of lies .
No wonder bugger all trust coppers these days</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt there's many people that lie as much as cops do on a daily basis &amp; get away with it.
&amp; I've yet to see a polices facts statement or brief that wasn't full of lies.
No wonder bugger all trust coppers these days</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575544</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576012</id>
	<title>This just in...</title>
	<author>Stick32</author>
	<datestamp>1269255000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Columbia University Business school finds "people in power makes better liars."  The report goes on to state, "it's 'bitchin' cold in Antartica" and "people who cut me off in traffic are total 'dick's."  Full story at 11.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Columbia University Business school finds " people in power makes better liars .
" The report goes on to state , " it 's 'bitchin ' cold in Antartica " and " people who cut me off in traffic are total 'dick 's .
" Full story at 11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Columbia University Business school finds "people in power makes better liars.
"  The report goes on to state, "it's 'bitchin' cold in Antartica" and "people who cut me off in traffic are total 'dick's.
"  Full story at 11.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576152</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>517714</author>
	<datestamp>1269255600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe it's because most leaders are psychopaths, so they have absolute no problem telling lies at all.</p></div><p>Let's just hope they are merely sociopaths!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's because most leaders are psychopaths , so they have absolute no problem telling lies at all.Let 's just hope they are merely sociopaths !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's because most leaders are psychopaths, so they have absolute no problem telling lies at all.Let's just hope they are merely sociopaths!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575544</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576770</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>cerberusss</author>
	<datestamp>1269258300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>To become a leader you have to be able to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what they want to hear.</p></div><p>Well, if that's all there is to it, then it would always be the salesman who climbs the ladder. But that's not the case.</p><p>Being a leader is also being able to know and set boundaries. Being able to recognize win-win deals. Having wisdom.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To become a leader you have to be able to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what they want to hear.Well , if that 's all there is to it , then it would always be the salesman who climbs the ladder .
But that 's not the case.Being a leader is also being able to know and set boundaries .
Being able to recognize win-win deals .
Having wisdom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To become a leader you have to be able to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what they want to hear.Well, if that's all there is to it, then it would always be the salesman who climbs the ladder.
But that's not the case.Being a leader is also being able to know and set boundaries.
Being able to recognize win-win deals.
Having wisdom.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575724</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31580566</id>
	<title>Re:There's worse than lying</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1269337440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Bullshitters believe the crap they spout.</p></div><p>
I call bullshit on that as a tried and true bullshitter! (ironic? interesting? weird?) We bullshitters know damned well that the shit we are flinging is utter filth and poppycock. We don't bullshit because be believe in some kind of moronic cause that we're preaching for. That's called willful ignorance and/or naivete. We bullshitters bullshit because it's funny to us. We bullshit because we learned that we can manipulate people who do not think rigorously by bullshitting. We bullshit because the fish really WAS THAT BIG. We bullshit because, at the end of the day, we bullshitters know that the world is what we make it out to be and if we bullshit and exaggerate just a little more, well then, maybe some of that bullshit can wash away some of that rampant cynicism that makes so many folks so drab to hang out with.
<br> <br>
So as a loud, proud, slashdot bullshitter, I say to you my friend, bullshit! We don't believe a damned word that comes spewing out of our mouths. Our lives are satires. Our words, hypocrisy, Our actions are the punch line.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bullshitters believe the crap they spout .
I call bullshit on that as a tried and true bullshitter !
( ironic ? interesting ?
weird ? ) We bullshitters know damned well that the shit we are flinging is utter filth and poppycock .
We do n't bullshit because be believe in some kind of moronic cause that we 're preaching for .
That 's called willful ignorance and/or naivete .
We bullshitters bullshit because it 's funny to us .
We bullshit because we learned that we can manipulate people who do not think rigorously by bullshitting .
We bullshit because the fish really WAS THAT BIG .
We bullshit because , at the end of the day , we bullshitters know that the world is what we make it out to be and if we bullshit and exaggerate just a little more , well then , maybe some of that bullshit can wash away some of that rampant cynicism that makes so many folks so drab to hang out with .
So as a loud , proud , slashdot bullshitter , I say to you my friend , bullshit !
We do n't believe a damned word that comes spewing out of our mouths .
Our lives are satires .
Our words , hypocrisy , Our actions are the punch line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bullshitters believe the crap they spout.
I call bullshit on that as a tried and true bullshitter!
(ironic? interesting?
weird?) We bullshitters know damned well that the shit we are flinging is utter filth and poppycock.
We don't bullshit because be believe in some kind of moronic cause that we're preaching for.
That's called willful ignorance and/or naivete.
We bullshitters bullshit because it's funny to us.
We bullshit because we learned that we can manipulate people who do not think rigorously by bullshitting.
We bullshit because the fish really WAS THAT BIG.
We bullshit because, at the end of the day, we bullshitters know that the world is what we make it out to be and if we bullshit and exaggerate just a little more, well then, maybe some of that bullshit can wash away some of that rampant cynicism that makes so many folks so drab to hang out with.
So as a loud, proud, slashdot bullshitter, I say to you my friend, bullshit!
We don't believe a damned word that comes spewing out of our mouths.
Our lives are satires.
Our words, hypocrisy, Our actions are the punch line.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575752</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575992</id>
	<title>Makes sense...</title>
	<author>Drakin020</author>
	<datestamp>1269254880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well yeah? How else would they have gotten into that kind of power?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well yeah ?
How else would they have gotten into that kind of power ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well yeah?
How else would they have gotten into that kind of power?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31589362</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269339120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't know about the "morality" angle, but regarding cause and effect, someone did a study a few years ago with the cause / effect reversed.  They showed that peole who are convincingly good at lying make much better leaders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't know about the " morality " angle , but regarding cause and effect , someone did a study a few years ago with the cause / effect reversed .
They showed that peole who are convincingly good at lying make much better leaders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't know about the "morality" angle, but regarding cause and effect, someone did a study a few years ago with the cause / effect reversed.
They showed that peole who are convincingly good at lying make much better leaders.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576978</id>
	<title>i know!</title>
	<author>Trukutu</author>
	<datestamp>1269259320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>obvius, the people don't like the truth</htmltext>
<tokenext>obvius , the people do n't like the truth</tokentext>
<sentencetext>obvius, the people don't like the truth</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31578676</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Sulphur</author>
	<datestamp>1269270900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Promise them a mild Winter and a cure for warming by Spring.</p><p>--</p><p>Causation implies correlation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Promise them a mild Winter and a cure for warming by Spring.--Causation implies correlation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Promise them a mild Winter and a cure for warming by Spring.--Causation implies correlation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31588188</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>bingoUV</author>
	<datestamp>1269376500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>obviously no sane parent would want their child to marry a smooth talking, charming, psychopath.</p></div><p>I wouldn't be too sure of that. "Civilized" society calls him successful, and they would queue up to marry him.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>obviously no sane parent would want their child to marry a smooth talking , charming , psychopath.I would n't be too sure of that .
" Civilized " society calls him successful , and they would queue up to marry him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>obviously no sane parent would want their child to marry a smooth talking, charming, psychopath.I wouldn't be too sure of that.
"Civilized" society calls him successful, and they would queue up to marry him.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576068</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269255300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power, they become psychopaths.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power , they become psychopaths .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power, they become psychopaths.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31580074</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>s-whs</author>
	<datestamp>1269286560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power, they become psychopaths.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
No, they show their true nature, i.e. most people don't give a damn about anyone else except themselves and possibly their family.
<br> <br>
Psychopaths are always like this, but in a much worse way, whether they are in power or not. You can very easily determine if someone is a psychopath by what he says (i.e. they have no empathy and this quickly shows). That power makes it easier to tell lies doesn't change that, you can differentiate between such people.
<br> <br>
People who are psychopaths/sociopaths are quite different from people who get into power and then behave like assholes. Someone mentioned that people who get into power are more likely to be psychopaths, and this is obviously true. Therefore this study isn't particularly useful in seeing what would happen if psychopaths were to be excluded from government etc. (because then the whole climate would improve, less emphasis on "who's in power" etc.). Years ago I suggested to dutch political parties that people there should get a psychological test so that these kind of people (who are only in politics for themselves and don't give a damn about anyone/anything except when it benefits their own career) be excluded from politics...
<br> <br>

Oh btw, someone mentioned 'Power corrupts' and if you consider 'to corrupt' to mean his personality will change, this is not true. Give someone power, and he will show his true personality (because he doesn't have to hide anything, doesn't have to suck up to people etc.)</p></div>
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<tokenext>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power , they become psychopaths .
No , they show their true nature , i.e .
most people do n't give a damn about anyone else except themselves and possibly their family .
Psychopaths are always like this , but in a much worse way , whether they are in power or not .
You can very easily determine if someone is a psychopath by what he says ( i.e .
they have no empathy and this quickly shows ) .
That power makes it easier to tell lies does n't change that , you can differentiate between such people .
People who are psychopaths/sociopaths are quite different from people who get into power and then behave like assholes .
Someone mentioned that people who get into power are more likely to be psychopaths , and this is obviously true .
Therefore this study is n't particularly useful in seeing what would happen if psychopaths were to be excluded from government etc .
( because then the whole climate would improve , less emphasis on " who 's in power " etc. ) .
Years ago I suggested to dutch political parties that people there should get a psychological test so that these kind of people ( who are only in politics for themselves and do n't give a damn about anyone/anything except when it benefits their own career ) be excluded from politics.. . Oh btw , someone mentioned 'Power corrupts ' and if you consider 'to corrupt ' to mean his personality will change , this is not true .
Give someone power , and he will show his true personality ( because he does n't have to hide anything , does n't have to suck up to people etc .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The terrifying conclusion of this research is that when you randomly assign normal people to positions of power, they become psychopaths.
No, they show their true nature, i.e.
most people don't give a damn about anyone else except themselves and possibly their family.
Psychopaths are always like this, but in a much worse way, whether they are in power or not.
You can very easily determine if someone is a psychopath by what he says (i.e.
they have no empathy and this quickly shows).
That power makes it easier to tell lies doesn't change that, you can differentiate between such people.
People who are psychopaths/sociopaths are quite different from people who get into power and then behave like assholes.
Someone mentioned that people who get into power are more likely to be psychopaths, and this is obviously true.
Therefore this study isn't particularly useful in seeing what would happen if psychopaths were to be excluded from government etc.
(because then the whole climate would improve, less emphasis on "who's in power" etc.).
Years ago I suggested to dutch political parties that people there should get a psychological test so that these kind of people (who are only in politics for themselves and don't give a damn about anyone/anything except when it benefits their own career) be excluded from politics...
 

Oh btw, someone mentioned 'Power corrupts' and if you consider 'to corrupt' to mean his personality will change, this is not true.
Give someone power, and he will show his true personality (because he doesn't have to hide anything, doesn't have to suck up to people etc.
)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576676</id>
	<title>That is how you get into power</title>
	<author>AthleteMusicianNerd</author>
	<datestamp>1269257760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's the whole prisoner detainee problem.  This is more useless research pointing out the obvious cranked out by our "higher learning institutions".</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the whole prisoner detainee problem .
This is more useless research pointing out the obvious cranked out by our " higher learning institutions " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the whole prisoner detainee problem.
This is more useless research pointing out the obvious cranked out by our "higher learning institutions".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575490</id>
	<title>Business Schools</title>
	<author>Wonko the Sane</author>
	<datestamp>1269252900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why am I not surprised that Columbia Business School is researching ways to lie more effectively? They must be trying to catch up to Harvard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why am I not surprised that Columbia Business School is researching ways to lie more effectively ?
They must be trying to catch up to Harvard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why am I not surprised that Columbia Business School is researching ways to lie more effectively?
They must be trying to catch up to Harvard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575884</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269254460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They got it all wrong it's not that those in power are better liars, it's because they are better liars that they have power. Obviously the eggheads that researched this never saw the outside world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They got it all wrong it 's not that those in power are better liars , it 's because they are better liars that they have power .
Obviously the eggheads that researched this never saw the outside world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They got it all wrong it's not that those in power are better liars, it's because they are better liars that they have power.
Obviously the eggheads that researched this never saw the outside world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31578896</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269272940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>politicians lie, absolute politicians lie absolutely</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>politicians lie , absolute politicians lie absolutely</tokentext>
<sentencetext>politicians lie, absolute politicians lie absolutely</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31577772</id>
	<title>Wow this is what those business schools do?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269263940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>becoming more and more moronic each day. I guess being well fed off those fat MBA fees make them so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>becoming more and more moronic each day .
I guess being well fed off those fat MBA fees make them so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>becoming more and more moronic each day.
I guess being well fed off those fat MBA fees make them so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31577918</id>
	<title>Love that Bush keyword.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269264960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Couldn't agree more about the study's contention.  It's kind of intuitive, you know.  BTW, Democrats are in power.  That must mean they're good liars.  They are!   As for Bush, I thought he was too stupid to lie.  He must have been one of those devious neandertal types!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't agree more about the study 's contention .
It 's kind of intuitive , you know .
BTW , Democrats are in power .
That must mean they 're good liars .
They are !
As for Bush , I thought he was too stupid to lie .
He must have been one of those devious neandertal types !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't agree more about the study's contention.
It's kind of intuitive, you know.
BTW, Democrats are in power.
That must mean they're good liars.
They are!
As for Bush, I thought he was too stupid to lie.
He must have been one of those devious neandertal types!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575674</id>
	<title>Studie shoes good liars get more power.</title>
	<author>santax</author>
	<datestamp>1269253500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am no expert, but I have a feeling this has more to do with this. Especially in todays companies where there is a culture of promoting the biggest assholes and creating a play-field where you actually get rewarded if you F\%@* somebody over. The elbow-way of making career gets you more. Unfortunately for those companies that work like this, they are actually selecting people to be liars and when you don't lie and so you come 2\% of your target short, you're out. That guy next to you, who actually stole several sales from you... he is getting a new office.
These companies are breeding bastards and often they don't see that. But by selecting management on these traits (what they effectively are doing) I am no surprised at all by this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am no expert , but I have a feeling this has more to do with this .
Especially in todays companies where there is a culture of promoting the biggest assholes and creating a play-field where you actually get rewarded if you F \ % @ * somebody over .
The elbow-way of making career gets you more .
Unfortunately for those companies that work like this , they are actually selecting people to be liars and when you do n't lie and so you come 2 \ % of your target short , you 're out .
That guy next to you , who actually stole several sales from you... he is getting a new office .
These companies are breeding bastards and often they do n't see that .
But by selecting management on these traits ( what they effectively are doing ) I am no surprised at all by this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am no expert, but I have a feeling this has more to do with this.
Especially in todays companies where there is a culture of promoting the biggest assholes and creating a play-field where you actually get rewarded if you F\%@* somebody over.
The elbow-way of making career gets you more.
Unfortunately for those companies that work like this, they are actually selecting people to be liars and when you don't lie and so you come 2\% of your target short, you're out.
That guy next to you, who actually stole several sales from you... he is getting a new office.
These companies are breeding bastards and often they don't see that.
But by selecting management on these traits (what they effectively are doing) I am no surprised at all by this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31585132</id>
	<title>No Shit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269364980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It should read "Study Shows People In Power Are The Best Liars"</p><p>No shit Sherlock. That's likely the reason they got the power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It should read " Study Shows People In Power Are The Best Liars " No shit Sherlock .
That 's likely the reason they got the power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It should read "Study Shows People In Power Are The Best Liars"No shit Sherlock.
That's likely the reason they got the power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31580588</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>duffbeer703</author>
	<datestamp>1269337680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your statement isn't looking deeper at the issue. People in positions of power unfortunately need to lie to others sometimes, it's just a requirement of the job. If you are in charge of a serious group of people on a daily basis, you have to deal with a variety of things that demand secrecy/discretion, which in turn demands that you occasionally lie about things to others. In my opinion, reducing the impact of lying is a defensive tool that our brains are wired with.</p><p>What happens when an employee is accused of a crime or career-ending misconduct? Serious accusations must be investigated, but are often completely untrue... so you are going to be forced to lie to others point-blank if they hear rumors and ask you about it. Otherwise the rumor machine kicks in.</p><p>What happens when the company is in trouble and you need to seriously evaluate all sorts of different options, including laying off most of the staff? Again, you have to be careful to keep those sorts of discussions close to the vest, and that may require lying.</p><p>Studies like the Stanford Prison Experiment demonstrate that in certain contexts, otherwise normal people will become monsters capable of incredible evil. This is true, but it doesn't mean that we all need to curl up in the fetal position and cry. You have to have controls -- checks and balances to ensure that the powerful don't turn tyrannical. Those checks include training, delegated authority, evaluation with consequences and debriefings. Disasters like Enron, the My Lai massacre, and countless others are egregious examples of what happens when individuals invested with unchecked power are unleashed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your statement is n't looking deeper at the issue .
People in positions of power unfortunately need to lie to others sometimes , it 's just a requirement of the job .
If you are in charge of a serious group of people on a daily basis , you have to deal with a variety of things that demand secrecy/discretion , which in turn demands that you occasionally lie about things to others .
In my opinion , reducing the impact of lying is a defensive tool that our brains are wired with.What happens when an employee is accused of a crime or career-ending misconduct ?
Serious accusations must be investigated , but are often completely untrue... so you are going to be forced to lie to others point-blank if they hear rumors and ask you about it .
Otherwise the rumor machine kicks in.What happens when the company is in trouble and you need to seriously evaluate all sorts of different options , including laying off most of the staff ?
Again , you have to be careful to keep those sorts of discussions close to the vest , and that may require lying.Studies like the Stanford Prison Experiment demonstrate that in certain contexts , otherwise normal people will become monsters capable of incredible evil .
This is true , but it does n't mean that we all need to curl up in the fetal position and cry .
You have to have controls -- checks and balances to ensure that the powerful do n't turn tyrannical .
Those checks include training , delegated authority , evaluation with consequences and debriefings .
Disasters like Enron , the My Lai massacre , and countless others are egregious examples of what happens when individuals invested with unchecked power are unleashed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your statement isn't looking deeper at the issue.
People in positions of power unfortunately need to lie to others sometimes, it's just a requirement of the job.
If you are in charge of a serious group of people on a daily basis, you have to deal with a variety of things that demand secrecy/discretion, which in turn demands that you occasionally lie about things to others.
In my opinion, reducing the impact of lying is a defensive tool that our brains are wired with.What happens when an employee is accused of a crime or career-ending misconduct?
Serious accusations must be investigated, but are often completely untrue... so you are going to be forced to lie to others point-blank if they hear rumors and ask you about it.
Otherwise the rumor machine kicks in.What happens when the company is in trouble and you need to seriously evaluate all sorts of different options, including laying off most of the staff?
Again, you have to be careful to keep those sorts of discussions close to the vest, and that may require lying.Studies like the Stanford Prison Experiment demonstrate that in certain contexts, otherwise normal people will become monsters capable of incredible evil.
This is true, but it doesn't mean that we all need to curl up in the fetal position and cry.
You have to have controls -- checks and balances to ensure that the powerful don't turn tyrannical.
Those checks include training, delegated authority, evaluation with consequences and debriefings.
Disasters like Enron, the My Lai massacre, and countless others are egregious examples of what happens when individuals invested with unchecked power are unleashed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575506</id>
	<title>That makes sense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269252960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least to why Obamacare passed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least to why Obamacare passed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least to why Obamacare passed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576512</id>
	<title>Re:Studie shoes good liars get more power.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269256980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, I'd highly recommend reading something on the subject...perhaps this:</p><p>"Snakes in Suits"   Nice title, eh?  And very, very appropriate.</p><p>Here's a sample:<br>http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20060529\_127516\_127516</p><p>Note the popularity of this, and similar titles:<br>http://www.amazon.ca/Snakes-Suits-When-Psychopaths-Work/dp/0060837721</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , I 'd highly recommend reading something on the subject...perhaps this : " Snakes in Suits " Nice title , eh ?
And very , very appropriate.Here 's a sample : http : //www.macleans.ca/article.jsp ? content = 20060529 \ _127516 \ _127516Note the popularity of this , and similar titles : http : //www.amazon.ca/Snakes-Suits-When-Psychopaths-Work/dp/0060837721</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, I'd highly recommend reading something on the subject...perhaps this:"Snakes in Suits"   Nice title, eh?
And very, very appropriate.Here's a sample:http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20060529\_127516\_127516Note the popularity of this, and similar titles:http://www.amazon.ca/Snakes-Suits-When-Psychopaths-Work/dp/0060837721</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31577444</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>smokin\_juan</author>
	<datestamp>1269262080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If positions of power are detrimental to human mental health then it should be illegal to put people in or allow people to attain positions of power.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If positions of power are detrimental to human mental health then it should be illegal to put people in or allow people to attain positions of power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If positions of power are detrimental to human mental health then it should be illegal to put people in or allow people to attain positions of power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576602</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269257460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, this explains Barack Obama then.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , this explains Barack Obama then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, this explains Barack Obama then.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575744</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>rxan</author>
	<datestamp>1269253800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Their conclusion of the study sounds ridiculous in itself.

</p><p>They make it sound like some Jedi mind-trick -- as if you are channeling your power into a lie. "These are not the droids you are looking for..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Their conclusion of the study sounds ridiculous in itself .
They make it sound like some Jedi mind-trick -- as if you are channeling your power into a lie .
" These are not the droids you are looking for... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Their conclusion of the study sounds ridiculous in itself.
They make it sound like some Jedi mind-trick -- as if you are channeling your power into a lie.
"These are not the droids you are looking for..."</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575618</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>DanTheStone</author>
	<datestamp>1269253320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>RTFA. There's an actual experiment here, not just observations like the summary here implies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>RTFA .
There 's an actual experiment here , not just observations like the summary here implies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RTFA.
There's an actual experiment here, not just observations like the summary here implies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31579982</id>
	<title>Re:There's worse than lying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269285300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You know there's worse things than lying. For instance bullshit. Bullshitters don't even acknowledge that the truth is important, at least liars do that by knowingly lying. Bullshitters believe the crap they spout.</p></div><p>Not really - the best bullshitters I know are extremely knowledgeable. They just know how to support their bullshit with evidence that (in the hands of those less skilled) might not actually support said conclusions. BS-ing is an art: there isn't any skill in confusing a pre-schooler. Try doing it to people who spent several years of their life doing exactly that (example - in academia, top researchers often bullshit to get funding, but they make persuasive arguments. But the people reading/listening to the arguments were themselves top researchers).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know there 's worse things than lying .
For instance bullshit .
Bullshitters do n't even acknowledge that the truth is important , at least liars do that by knowingly lying .
Bullshitters believe the crap they spout.Not really - the best bullshitters I know are extremely knowledgeable .
They just know how to support their bullshit with evidence that ( in the hands of those less skilled ) might not actually support said conclusions .
BS-ing is an art : there is n't any skill in confusing a pre-schooler .
Try doing it to people who spent several years of their life doing exactly that ( example - in academia , top researchers often bullshit to get funding , but they make persuasive arguments .
But the people reading/listening to the arguments were themselves top researchers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know there's worse things than lying.
For instance bullshit.
Bullshitters don't even acknowledge that the truth is important, at least liars do that by knowingly lying.
Bullshitters believe the crap they spout.Not really - the best bullshitters I know are extremely knowledgeable.
They just know how to support their bullshit with evidence that (in the hands of those less skilled) might not actually support said conclusions.
BS-ing is an art: there isn't any skill in confusing a pre-schooler.
Try doing it to people who spent several years of their life doing exactly that (example - in academia, top researchers often bullshit to get funding, but they make persuasive arguments.
But the people reading/listening to the arguments were themselves top researchers).
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	<title>A person that wont lie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269268920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They didnt think lying was needed, or they woudnt do it.  Think about that for a minute.</p><p>Can you trust them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They didnt think lying was needed , or they woudnt do it .
Think about that for a minute.Can you trust them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They didnt think lying was needed, or they woudnt do it.
Think about that for a minute.Can you trust them?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576894</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269258900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Very easy to stand aside and point to THEM as the problem.  But in this study, just as in Zimbardo's prisoner study at Standford (check out The Lucifer Effect), the people in charge were selected randomly.  The more reasonable conclusion is that power tends to bring out the worst in most people or, as put more succinctly, power corrupts.  Couple this with the Dunning-Kruger Effect (roughly, ignorance is positively correlated with confidence) and our tendency to want confident leaders and you have an almost perfect storm.  We select the confident over the capable for our leaders, and then the power we give them makes them worse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very easy to stand aside and point to THEM as the problem .
But in this study , just as in Zimbardo 's prisoner study at Standford ( check out The Lucifer Effect ) , the people in charge were selected randomly .
The more reasonable conclusion is that power tends to bring out the worst in most people or , as put more succinctly , power corrupts .
Couple this with the Dunning-Kruger Effect ( roughly , ignorance is positively correlated with confidence ) and our tendency to want confident leaders and you have an almost perfect storm .
We select the confident over the capable for our leaders , and then the power we give them makes them worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very easy to stand aside and point to THEM as the problem.
But in this study, just as in Zimbardo's prisoner study at Standford (check out The Lucifer Effect), the people in charge were selected randomly.
The more reasonable conclusion is that power tends to bring out the worst in most people or, as put more succinctly, power corrupts.
Couple this with the Dunning-Kruger Effect (roughly, ignorance is positively correlated with confidence) and our tendency to want confident leaders and you have an almost perfect storm.
We select the confident over the capable for our leaders, and then the power we give them makes them worse.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575724</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>jmyers</author>
	<datestamp>1269253740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To become a leader you have to be able to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what they want to hear. The better you are at this the higher up the ladder you will climb. For some reason people will always believe what they want to hear. It seems to apply across all ideologies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To become a leader you have to be able to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what they want to hear .
The better you are at this the higher up the ladder you will climb .
For some reason people will always believe what they want to hear .
It seems to apply across all ideologies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To become a leader you have to be able to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what they want to hear.
The better you are at this the higher up the ladder you will climb.
For some reason people will always believe what they want to hear.
It seems to apply across all ideologies.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269255780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes they are more likely.
<p>
I read a psychology study wherein the participants lie to each other and rate who is the best liar.  They then, as part of the study, vote for a representative to return their results.  Every single group voted for the best liar to return the results.
</p><p>
So are we hardwired to want liars in power?
</p><p>
I remember the first times I saw Ron Reagan and Bill Clinton when they were running for office.  I was awestruck by how good they were at lying and I knew with certainty they'd be elected.
</p><p>
Obama is so good at it, I believed every damn hopey changey word!
</p><p>
Good liars get elected!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes they are more likely .
I read a psychology study wherein the participants lie to each other and rate who is the best liar .
They then , as part of the study , vote for a representative to return their results .
Every single group voted for the best liar to return the results .
So are we hardwired to want liars in power ?
I remember the first times I saw Ron Reagan and Bill Clinton when they were running for office .
I was awestruck by how good they were at lying and I knew with certainty they 'd be elected .
Obama is so good at it , I believed every damn hopey changey word !
Good liars get elected !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes they are more likely.
I read a psychology study wherein the participants lie to each other and rate who is the best liar.
They then, as part of the study, vote for a representative to return their results.
Every single group voted for the best liar to return the results.
So are we hardwired to want liars in power?
I remember the first times I saw Ron Reagan and Bill Clinton when they were running for office.
I was awestruck by how good they were at lying and I knew with certainty they'd be elected.
Obama is so good at it, I believed every damn hopey changey word!
Good liars get elected!</sentencetext>
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	<title>The problem with publishing this study</title>
	<author>ffreeloader</author>
	<datestamp>1269269220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know people who, when confronted with their lousy behavior, think that it is confirmation of the "rightness" of their behavior.  If they're a bully telling them that not everyone is a bully by nature confirms to them that bullies are the only ones who have everything all together.  To them people who aren't bullies just don't understand life.</p><p>If they are a person in position of authority it will tell them that when they lie it only confirms what powerful leader they are, even if they're a total waste as a leader.</p><p>Instead of this being cautionary to them, it will only increase their antisocial behavior.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know people who , when confronted with their lousy behavior , think that it is confirmation of the " rightness " of their behavior .
If they 're a bully telling them that not everyone is a bully by nature confirms to them that bullies are the only ones who have everything all together .
To them people who are n't bullies just do n't understand life.If they are a person in position of authority it will tell them that when they lie it only confirms what powerful leader they are , even if they 're a total waste as a leader.Instead of this being cautionary to them , it will only increase their antisocial behavior .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know people who, when confronted with their lousy behavior, think that it is confirmation of the "rightness" of their behavior.
If they're a bully telling them that not everyone is a bully by nature confirms to them that bullies are the only ones who have everything all together.
To them people who aren't bullies just don't understand life.If they are a person in position of authority it will tell them that when they lie it only confirms what powerful leader they are, even if they're a total waste as a leader.Instead of this being cautionary to them, it will only increase their antisocial behavior.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>electrons\_are\_brave</author>
	<datestamp>1269262440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>People were randomly assigned to groups (power/no power, truthful/lying) so claiming power causes people to lie more easily seems valid, within the bounds of the experiment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>People were randomly assigned to groups ( power/no power , truthful/lying ) so claiming power causes people to lie more easily seems valid , within the bounds of the experiment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People were randomly assigned to groups (power/no power, truthful/lying) so claiming power causes people to lie more easily seems valid, within the bounds of the experiment.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269267900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shows wny Jobs runs apple and Wozniak does not</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shows wny Jobs runs apple and Wozniak does not</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shows wny Jobs runs apple and Wozniak does not</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31577278</id>
	<title>Power Corrupts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269261000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Water is wet, fire hot, etc.<br>Not really insightful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Water is wet , fire hot , etc.Not really insightful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Water is wet, fire hot, etc.Not really insightful.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575498</id>
	<title>Correlation  Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269252960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or maybe the people who don't have moral or emotional problems with lying are more likely to get into power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or maybe the people who do n't have moral or emotional problems with lying are more likely to get into power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or maybe the people who don't have moral or emotional problems with lying are more likely to get into power.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269253920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What you say about getting into power is undoubtedly so. All other things being equal, the ruthless person will have an easier time climbing the ladder.</p><p>But, i actually rtfa (well, almost all of page one, so correct me if I'm wrong).Here's a snippet:</p><p>"Carney and the other researchers, Andy Yap, Brian Lucas and Pranjal Mehta, used volunteers who were told they were either leaders or subordinates. The leaders were given a large office, and the subordinates given a small windowless space."</p><p>So, it wasn't that the ones "in power" got there by being ruthless. So not a chicken/egg/correlation/causation thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What you say about getting into power is undoubtedly so .
All other things being equal , the ruthless person will have an easier time climbing the ladder.But , i actually rtfa ( well , almost all of page one , so correct me if I 'm wrong ) .Here 's a snippet : " Carney and the other researchers , Andy Yap , Brian Lucas and Pranjal Mehta , used volunteers who were told they were either leaders or subordinates .
The leaders were given a large office , and the subordinates given a small windowless space .
" So , it was n't that the ones " in power " got there by being ruthless .
So not a chicken/egg/correlation/causation thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you say about getting into power is undoubtedly so.
All other things being equal, the ruthless person will have an easier time climbing the ladder.But, i actually rtfa (well, almost all of page one, so correct me if I'm wrong).Here's a snippet:"Carney and the other researchers, Andy Yap, Brian Lucas and Pranjal Mehta, used volunteers who were told they were either leaders or subordinates.
The leaders were given a large office, and the subordinates given a small windowless space.
"So, it wasn't that the ones "in power" got there by being ruthless.
So not a chicken/egg/correlation/causation thing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31578730</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>rtb61</author>
	<datestamp>1269271440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> You compete to gain positions of power. You are born a psychopath, you do not become one, although as a weak willed amoral person it is certainly possible to come under the influence of a psychopath and join them in their corrupt activities. </p><p> The flip side of the report is that people get into modern capitalist based positions of power by being better liars, rather than be being competent managers. So being good a blaming other people for your mistakes and taking credit for other peoples work, all whilst showing no conscience or shame gives you a competitive advantage in the modern corporate and political structure. </p><p> Unfortunately of course that results in the inevitable catastrophic collapse of the companies or political groups that the sociopath gains control of, as they are incompetent self serving schemers rather intuitive aware managers with a strong scene of personal integrity and conscience. </p><p> Recently medical science has caught up with the sociopath and the condition can now be specifically tested for and those persons can be prevented from laying waste to what ever company, government agency, political party etc they gain control of to the their own seriously disturbed ego. How broad those tests will become is a very interesting question, obviously no sane parent would want their child to marry a smooth talking, charming, psychopath.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You compete to gain positions of power .
You are born a psychopath , you do not become one , although as a weak willed amoral person it is certainly possible to come under the influence of a psychopath and join them in their corrupt activities .
The flip side of the report is that people get into modern capitalist based positions of power by being better liars , rather than be being competent managers .
So being good a blaming other people for your mistakes and taking credit for other peoples work , all whilst showing no conscience or shame gives you a competitive advantage in the modern corporate and political structure .
Unfortunately of course that results in the inevitable catastrophic collapse of the companies or political groups that the sociopath gains control of , as they are incompetent self serving schemers rather intuitive aware managers with a strong scene of personal integrity and conscience .
Recently medical science has caught up with the sociopath and the condition can now be specifically tested for and those persons can be prevented from laying waste to what ever company , government agency , political party etc they gain control of to the their own seriously disturbed ego .
How broad those tests will become is a very interesting question , obviously no sane parent would want their child to marry a smooth talking , charming , psychopath .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> You compete to gain positions of power.
You are born a psychopath, you do not become one, although as a weak willed amoral person it is certainly possible to come under the influence of a psychopath and join them in their corrupt activities.
The flip side of the report is that people get into modern capitalist based positions of power by being better liars, rather than be being competent managers.
So being good a blaming other people for your mistakes and taking credit for other peoples work, all whilst showing no conscience or shame gives you a competitive advantage in the modern corporate and political structure.
Unfortunately of course that results in the inevitable catastrophic collapse of the companies or political groups that the sociopath gains control of, as they are incompetent self serving schemers rather intuitive aware managers with a strong scene of personal integrity and conscience.
Recently medical science has caught up with the sociopath and the condition can now be specifically tested for and those persons can be prevented from laying waste to what ever company, government agency, political party etc they gain control of to the their own seriously disturbed ego.
How broad those tests will become is a very interesting question, obviously no sane parent would want their child to marry a smooth talking, charming, psychopath.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31579322</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1269277440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>80\% of people will give someone what they believe to be a lethal shock (despite the person begging them to stop) with slight prompting.</p><p>So I'd say 80\% of people are ready to be psychopaths-- they just lack the opportunity.</p><p>(sources are the original study and the recent french TV program that duplicated it).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>80 \ % of people will give someone what they believe to be a lethal shock ( despite the person begging them to stop ) with slight prompting.So I 'd say 80 \ % of people are ready to be psychopaths-- they just lack the opportunity .
( sources are the original study and the recent french TV program that duplicated it ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>80\% of people will give someone what they believe to be a lethal shock (despite the person begging them to stop) with slight prompting.So I'd say 80\% of people are ready to be psychopaths-- they just lack the opportunity.
(sources are the original study and the recent french TV program that duplicated it).</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Obvious to parents</title>
	<author>gstovall</author>
	<datestamp>1269268260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You lie to your children?  Interesting.  We never have.  No, we never pretended that Santa Claus came down the chimney and left Christmas gifts; the kids knew that Mom and Dad gave the gifts.  We really enjoy the season, and enjoyed watching all the Christmas animated specials, but it was always just fun pretend.  You might think that I somehow deprived my children of some magic of childhood, but they never did have to suffer the sudden realization that all the adults around them had been lying to them and laughing at them.  Consequently, my children trust me absolutely, and we have a great relationship.  I have children 19/17/15/14, and they are an absolute delight to be around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You lie to your children ?
Interesting. We never have .
No , we never pretended that Santa Claus came down the chimney and left Christmas gifts ; the kids knew that Mom and Dad gave the gifts .
We really enjoy the season , and enjoyed watching all the Christmas animated specials , but it was always just fun pretend .
You might think that I somehow deprived my children of some magic of childhood , but they never did have to suffer the sudden realization that all the adults around them had been lying to them and laughing at them .
Consequently , my children trust me absolutely , and we have a great relationship .
I have children 19/17/15/14 , and they are an absolute delight to be around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You lie to your children?
Interesting.  We never have.
No, we never pretended that Santa Claus came down the chimney and left Christmas gifts; the kids knew that Mom and Dad gave the gifts.
We really enjoy the season, and enjoyed watching all the Christmas animated specials, but it was always just fun pretend.
You might think that I somehow deprived my children of some magic of childhood, but they never did have to suffer the sudden realization that all the adults around them had been lying to them and laughing at them.
Consequently, my children trust me absolutely, and we have a great relationship.
I have children 19/17/15/14, and they are an absolute delight to be around.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31575746</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation Causation</title>
	<author>Mindcontrolled</author>
	<datestamp>1269253800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You just put up another correlation-causation-problem here. Yet another alternative: While you are in power, your lies are a matter of controlling people, when you are not in power, you gotta lie to cover your arse. Different motivations for the lies, different reactions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You just put up another correlation-causation-problem here .
Yet another alternative : While you are in power , your lies are a matter of controlling people , when you are not in power , you got ta lie to cover your arse .
Different motivations for the lies , different reactions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You just put up another correlation-causation-problem here.
Yet another alternative: While you are in power, your lies are a matter of controlling people, when you are not in power, you gotta lie to cover your arse.
Different motivations for the lies, different reactions.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_2041259.31576030</id>
	<title>Cliches not good enough?</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1269255060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always thought cliches like "absolute power corrupts" included this concept well enough, but I must disclaim that I'm not an academic with a department to promote who feels in danger of perishing unless he publishes....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always thought cliches like " absolute power corrupts " included this concept well enough , but I must disclaim that I 'm not an academic with a department to promote who feels in danger of perishing unless he publishes... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always thought cliches like "absolute power corrupts" included this concept well enough, but I must disclaim that I'm not an academic with a department to promote who feels in danger of perishing unless he publishes....</sentencetext>
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	<title>Having a small penis helps, too.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269254880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having a small penis helps, too. Nothing can make a man act more powerful than a micropenis and raisin testes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having a small penis helps , too .
Nothing can make a man act more powerful than a micropenis and raisin testes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having a small penis helps, too.
Nothing can make a man act more powerful than a micropenis and raisin testes.</sentencetext>
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