<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_22_135247</id>
	<title>China Criticizes Google's "US Ties"</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1269264840000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>krou writes <i>"State-run news agency Xinhua has attacked what it calls <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8578968.stm">Google's 'intricate ties with the US government'</a> amongst its high level officials, claiming that it's 'an open secret that some security experts in the Pentagon are from Google.' They have also accused the company of trying to change Chinese society by imposing American values on it. Xinhua said that 'One company's ambition to change China's internet rules will only prove to be ridiculous.' Google has denied the claims. Google spokeswoman Jessica Powell said that 'The decision to review our business in China was entirely Google's and Google's alone.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>krou writes " State-run news agency Xinhua has attacked what it calls Google 's 'intricate ties with the US government ' amongst its high level officials , claiming that it 's 'an open secret that some security experts in the Pentagon are from Google .
' They have also accused the company of trying to change Chinese society by imposing American values on it .
Xinhua said that 'One company 's ambition to change China 's internet rules will only prove to be ridiculous .
' Google has denied the claims .
Google spokeswoman Jessica Powell said that 'The decision to review our business in China was entirely Google 's and Google 's alone .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>krou writes "State-run news agency Xinhua has attacked what it calls Google's 'intricate ties with the US government' amongst its high level officials, claiming that it's 'an open secret that some security experts in the Pentagon are from Google.
' They have also accused the company of trying to change Chinese society by imposing American values on it.
Xinhua said that 'One company's ambition to change China's internet rules will only prove to be ridiculous.
' Google has denied the claims.
Google spokeswoman Jessica Powell said that 'The decision to review our business in China was entirely Google's and Google's alone.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31582200</id>
	<title>brunnegd</title>
	<author>brunnegd</author>
	<datestamp>1269353040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is about time someone stands up to the ChiComs</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is about time someone stands up to the ChiComs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is about time someone stands up to the ChiComs</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567760</id>
	<title>Re:Whoda thunkit?</title>
	<author>Stargoat</author>
	<datestamp>1269271140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure Google is actively working to further the interests of the US.  Instead, Chinese leadership is incapable of appreciating the differences between US policy, US culture, and plain ole' innate freedoms.  Chinese leadership sees everything through a Han cultural perspective, with everyone not Han is either a strong barbarian intent upon conquering China or a weak barbarian who should be conquered by China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure Google is actively working to further the interests of the US .
Instead , Chinese leadership is incapable of appreciating the differences between US policy , US culture , and plain ole ' innate freedoms .
Chinese leadership sees everything through a Han cultural perspective , with everyone not Han is either a strong barbarian intent upon conquering China or a weak barbarian who should be conquered by China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure Google is actively working to further the interests of the US.
Instead, Chinese leadership is incapable of appreciating the differences between US policy, US culture, and plain ole' innate freedoms.
Chinese leadership sees everything through a Han cultural perspective, with everyone not Han is either a strong barbarian intent upon conquering China or a weak barbarian who should be conquered by China.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567170</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31566776</id>
	<title>Let's not forget</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269268680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that while some Internet users in certain Western countries may see the Internet as something which exists independently of society and is merely a medium through which two individuals may communicate, from the Chinese POV it is a part of society and therefore allowed to be controlled.</p><p>To be totally honest, I agree with the Chinese POV, since $People \in Society$ and $Internetusers \subset Society$.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that while some Internet users in certain Western countries may see the Internet as something which exists independently of society and is merely a medium through which two individuals may communicate , from the Chinese POV it is a part of society and therefore allowed to be controlled.To be totally honest , I agree with the Chinese POV , since $ People \ in Society $ and $ Internetusers \ subset Society $ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that while some Internet users in certain Western countries may see the Internet as something which exists independently of society and is merely a medium through which two individuals may communicate, from the Chinese POV it is a part of society and therefore allowed to be controlled.To be totally honest, I agree with the Chinese POV, since $People \in Society$ and $Internetusers \subset Society$.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567170</id>
	<title>Whoda thunkit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269269760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A US-based company, full of US citizens, acting to further the interests of the US. No shit Sherlock!</p><p>Don't worry China. As soon as you become enough of a consumer nation that Google's advertising-based model is overwhelmingly profitable for them in China, they'll have to bow to their stockholders, who won't be able to stop from salivating over your billions of consumers.</p><p>Until then, your whining makes us all feel good about ourselves, as we all secretly fear we're getting the same propoganda from our own government (regardless of political party).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A US-based company , full of US citizens , acting to further the interests of the US .
No shit Sherlock ! Do n't worry China .
As soon as you become enough of a consumer nation that Google 's advertising-based model is overwhelmingly profitable for them in China , they 'll have to bow to their stockholders , who wo n't be able to stop from salivating over your billions of consumers.Until then , your whining makes us all feel good about ourselves , as we all secretly fear we 're getting the same propoganda from our own government ( regardless of political party ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A US-based company, full of US citizens, acting to further the interests of the US.
No shit Sherlock!Don't worry China.
As soon as you become enough of a consumer nation that Google's advertising-based model is overwhelmingly profitable for them in China, they'll have to bow to their stockholders, who won't be able to stop from salivating over your billions of consumers.Until then, your whining makes us all feel good about ourselves, as we all secretly fear we're getting the same propoganda from our own government (regardless of political party).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567254</id>
	<title>Pot, meet Kettle</title>
	<author>m.ducharme</author>
	<datestamp>1269269940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given how thoroughly China controls Chinese businesses, it's exceedingly hypocritical for China to criticize Google for these perceived links to the US government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given how thoroughly China controls Chinese businesses , it 's exceedingly hypocritical for China to criticize Google for these perceived links to the US government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given how thoroughly China controls Chinese businesses, it's exceedingly hypocritical for China to criticize Google for these perceived links to the US government.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31568402</id>
	<title>I doesn't wash.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269272820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you were a responsible for horrific atrocities like this one :<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen\_Square\_protests\_of\_1989<br>and you wanted to hide the truth about it from the people, of course you wouldn't believe in the "American way."<br>The American way is pretty much the opposite of that.</p><p>I am not involved with Google but they have been open for a good long while and it's one of their core ideals to be committed to openness.<br>Sorry if there are Chinese out there who believe that openness and morality are not acceptable in business and that people who believe in freedom are wrong. You guys are wrong.<br>It is is abundantly clear that if Google leave China it will be for business reasons. Because they cannot be open and that prevents them from increasing their market share. It is not a political issue.<br>Google is an American company. Not a Chinese company.<br>The cyber attack was a political issue. Google leaving is not.</p><p>The political issue for China now is why the Chinese government did nothing to assist Google after the attacks and what the Chinese government will do to replace the huge amount of web infrastructure that will no longer be available to the Chinese people if Google leaves.<br>Adopting the "We don't care if you leave attitude" is essentially like shooting yourself in the foot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you were a responsible for horrific atrocities like this one : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen \ _Square \ _protests \ _of \ _1989and you wanted to hide the truth about it from the people , of course you would n't believe in the " American way .
" The American way is pretty much the opposite of that.I am not involved with Google but they have been open for a good long while and it 's one of their core ideals to be committed to openness.Sorry if there are Chinese out there who believe that openness and morality are not acceptable in business and that people who believe in freedom are wrong .
You guys are wrong.It is is abundantly clear that if Google leave China it will be for business reasons .
Because they can not be open and that prevents them from increasing their market share .
It is not a political issue.Google is an American company .
Not a Chinese company.The cyber attack was a political issue .
Google leaving is not.The political issue for China now is why the Chinese government did nothing to assist Google after the attacks and what the Chinese government will do to replace the huge amount of web infrastructure that will no longer be available to the Chinese people if Google leaves.Adopting the " We do n't care if you leave attitude " is essentially like shooting yourself in the foot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you were a responsible for horrific atrocities like this one :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen\_Square\_protests\_of\_1989and you wanted to hide the truth about it from the people, of course you wouldn't believe in the "American way.
"The American way is pretty much the opposite of that.I am not involved with Google but they have been open for a good long while and it's one of their core ideals to be committed to openness.Sorry if there are Chinese out there who believe that openness and morality are not acceptable in business and that people who believe in freedom are wrong.
You guys are wrong.It is is abundantly clear that if Google leave China it will be for business reasons.
Because they cannot be open and that prevents them from increasing their market share.
It is not a political issue.Google is an American company.
Not a Chinese company.The cyber attack was a political issue.
Google leaving is not.The political issue for China now is why the Chinese government did nothing to assist Google after the attacks and what the Chinese government will do to replace the huge amount of web infrastructure that will no longer be available to the Chinese people if Google leaves.Adopting the "We don't care if you leave attitude" is essentially like shooting yourself in the foot.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31568958</id>
	<title>Re:I feel lucky to be born in the USA</title>
	<author>wilder\_card</author>
	<datestamp>1269274260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unable to board airplanes == imprisoned and executed?  Really?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unable to board airplanes = = imprisoned and executed ?
Really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unable to board airplanes == imprisoned and executed?
Really?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567578</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31573114</id>
	<title>Google unleashes the new Google Weather</title>
	<author>name\_already\_taken</author>
	<datestamp>1269287040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a strange coincidence, Google today unveiled the awesome power of the revamped Google Weather service, which delivers <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100322/ap\_on\_re\_as/as\_china\_sandstorm" title="yahoo.com">carefully targeted weather</a> [yahoo.com] to their enemies^H^H^H^H^H^H^H, I mean users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a strange coincidence , Google today unveiled the awesome power of the revamped Google Weather service , which delivers carefully targeted weather [ yahoo.com ] to their enemies ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H , I mean users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a strange coincidence, Google today unveiled the awesome power of the revamped Google Weather service, which delivers carefully targeted weather [yahoo.com] to their enemies^H^H^H^H^H^H^H, I mean users.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567612</id>
	<title>Umm...  Who cares?</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1269270840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone really give an airborne copulation at a ventrally rotating toroid what China criticizes?</p><p>I'm not intending to be dismissive. I actually don't understand why this is even news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone really give an airborne copulation at a ventrally rotating toroid what China criticizes ? I 'm not intending to be dismissive .
I actually do n't understand why this is even news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone really give an airborne copulation at a ventrally rotating toroid what China criticizes?I'm not intending to be dismissive.
I actually don't understand why this is even news.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31570100</id>
	<title>Goodbye</title>
	<author>Max\_W</author>
	<datestamp>1269277500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are not in Shanghai, Chennai, Bombay, and Dubai, then goodbye.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are not in Shanghai , Chennai , Bombay , and Dubai , then goodbye .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are not in Shanghai, Chennai, Bombay, and Dubai, then goodbye.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31568400</id>
	<title>Not even the point...</title>
	<author>foxalopex</author>
	<datestamp>1269272820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I watched an interesting show on how Google operates and their conclusion was that Google's business is based on "Trust".  Unlike many organizations, Google is in business because we trust that they will work and operate to keep our data as safe as they can.  It is something that a vast majority of the public including myself takes for granted because so far they haven't messed up badly.  According to Google, China was caught hacking their systems, stealing IP and personal user data.  If this keeps going on the way it does, then Google can't keep the trust of the public and it might mean the downfall of their company.  (I can't use Google because China keeps hacking in and stealing my data.)</p><p>Originally Google went into China because when you really think about it, filtering users from content does not betray this idea of "Trust".  Your data is still safe but China stepped over the line when they started hacking into Google.</p><p>The best way for Google to leave China which is likely what they are now planning to do is to drop the filtering.  This generates good will with the remaining users.  China is correct in that Google is pushing Western ideals however in many ways this is China's fault to begin with.  If China hadn't hacked Google to begin with this whole mess would not have started.</p><p>I personally don't see a huge problem with China filtering searches.  It's their own country and their own rules.  Admittedly this goes against freedom of speech (a democratic idea) but China's pretty far from a democracy.  Hopefully someday, their public will realize that it is something valuable enough to fight for but for now it doesn't seem to be the case.  However hacking your business partner is far from acceptable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I watched an interesting show on how Google operates and their conclusion was that Google 's business is based on " Trust " .
Unlike many organizations , Google is in business because we trust that they will work and operate to keep our data as safe as they can .
It is something that a vast majority of the public including myself takes for granted because so far they have n't messed up badly .
According to Google , China was caught hacking their systems , stealing IP and personal user data .
If this keeps going on the way it does , then Google ca n't keep the trust of the public and it might mean the downfall of their company .
( I ca n't use Google because China keeps hacking in and stealing my data .
) Originally Google went into China because when you really think about it , filtering users from content does not betray this idea of " Trust " .
Your data is still safe but China stepped over the line when they started hacking into Google.The best way for Google to leave China which is likely what they are now planning to do is to drop the filtering .
This generates good will with the remaining users .
China is correct in that Google is pushing Western ideals however in many ways this is China 's fault to begin with .
If China had n't hacked Google to begin with this whole mess would not have started.I personally do n't see a huge problem with China filtering searches .
It 's their own country and their own rules .
Admittedly this goes against freedom of speech ( a democratic idea ) but China 's pretty far from a democracy .
Hopefully someday , their public will realize that it is something valuable enough to fight for but for now it does n't seem to be the case .
However hacking your business partner is far from acceptable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I watched an interesting show on how Google operates and their conclusion was that Google's business is based on "Trust".
Unlike many organizations, Google is in business because we trust that they will work and operate to keep our data as safe as they can.
It is something that a vast majority of the public including myself takes for granted because so far they haven't messed up badly.
According to Google, China was caught hacking their systems, stealing IP and personal user data.
If this keeps going on the way it does, then Google can't keep the trust of the public and it might mean the downfall of their company.
(I can't use Google because China keeps hacking in and stealing my data.
)Originally Google went into China because when you really think about it, filtering users from content does not betray this idea of "Trust".
Your data is still safe but China stepped over the line when they started hacking into Google.The best way for Google to leave China which is likely what they are now planning to do is to drop the filtering.
This generates good will with the remaining users.
China is correct in that Google is pushing Western ideals however in many ways this is China's fault to begin with.
If China hadn't hacked Google to begin with this whole mess would not have started.I personally don't see a huge problem with China filtering searches.
It's their own country and their own rules.
Admittedly this goes against freedom of speech (a democratic idea) but China's pretty far from a democracy.
Hopefully someday, their public will realize that it is something valuable enough to fight for but for now it doesn't seem to be the case.
However hacking your business partner is far from acceptable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567634</id>
	<title>China has it backward</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1269270840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China owns the playing field and sets the rules for that playing field.  Google has attempted to play in China's playground but cannot survive within the constraint of its rules.  It has exhausted all efforts to make adjustments and compromises but China will have none of it.  Google has two options -- change the way it does business or leave.  These options are rather similar to China's options -- allow changes in the way it deals with business or make them leave.  It doesn't have to be an emotionally or politically charged problem at all.</p><p>Google's options are limited.  Leaving is clearly the last resort and it seems that they are taking that one.  China is keeping its playground, but Google is taking the ball back home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China owns the playing field and sets the rules for that playing field .
Google has attempted to play in China 's playground but can not survive within the constraint of its rules .
It has exhausted all efforts to make adjustments and compromises but China will have none of it .
Google has two options -- change the way it does business or leave .
These options are rather similar to China 's options -- allow changes in the way it deals with business or make them leave .
It does n't have to be an emotionally or politically charged problem at all.Google 's options are limited .
Leaving is clearly the last resort and it seems that they are taking that one .
China is keeping its playground , but Google is taking the ball back home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China owns the playing field and sets the rules for that playing field.
Google has attempted to play in China's playground but cannot survive within the constraint of its rules.
It has exhausted all efforts to make adjustments and compromises but China will have none of it.
Google has two options -- change the way it does business or leave.
These options are rather similar to China's options -- allow changes in the way it deals with business or make them leave.
It doesn't have to be an emotionally or politically charged problem at all.Google's options are limited.
Leaving is clearly the last resort and it seems that they are taking that one.
China is keeping its playground, but Google is taking the ball back home.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567526</id>
	<title>Re:Whoda thunkit?</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1269270600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best propaganda is based on truth.  Of course Google wants to impose American values on the world - Sergey Brin is a US immigrant  who moved to America precisely because he thinks American values are a good thing.  Google publicly asked the NSA for help securing its network, so the 'ties' between Google and US intelligence are not exactly secret and, given that the NSA and Google are the two largest employers of data mining specialists in the USA, it wouldn't be at all surprising if both employ quite a few people that have worked at the other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best propaganda is based on truth .
Of course Google wants to impose American values on the world - Sergey Brin is a US immigrant who moved to America precisely because he thinks American values are a good thing .
Google publicly asked the NSA for help securing its network , so the 'ties ' between Google and US intelligence are not exactly secret and , given that the NSA and Google are the two largest employers of data mining specialists in the USA , it would n't be at all surprising if both employ quite a few people that have worked at the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best propaganda is based on truth.
Of course Google wants to impose American values on the world - Sergey Brin is a US immigrant  who moved to America precisely because he thinks American values are a good thing.
Google publicly asked the NSA for help securing its network, so the 'ties' between Google and US intelligence are not exactly secret and, given that the NSA and Google are the two largest employers of data mining specialists in the USA, it wouldn't be at all surprising if both employ quite a few people that have worked at the other.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31572350</id>
	<title>Re:hate them, but there's some truth</title>
	<author>earlymon</author>
	<datestamp>1269284340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Most of the world is eating it up. A lot of people welcome it. Few of them made a conscious decision among alternatives on the matter of culture and spirit.</p></div><p>I said to a friend of 40 years running two days ago that this is not my America anymore.  Complacency has led to political leadership where not long ago, t-shirts were seen in New York City saying, "Ever think you'd miss Nixon?" - and our cultural values have death spiraled into Western music being typified by Britney Spears, movies being typified by Transformers and our intellectual degradation is best summed up by the observation that there is actually a debate raging between evolution and creationism/ID.</p><p>I now live in an America where enlightenment and consciousness are no longer on the list of valuable prizes to seek in life = precisely because few of us in the USA made conscious decisions among the matters of our culture and spirit.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not debating if the US culture is "good" or "bad" here, just stating the fact that the amount of culture that is in the american way of doing business is seldom reflected.</p></div><p>An interesting complimentarity - on one hand it's a great truth, but its opposite - that our way of doing business is an exact reflection of culture - is equally a great truth.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the world is eating it up .
A lot of people welcome it .
Few of them made a conscious decision among alternatives on the matter of culture and spirit.I said to a friend of 40 years running two days ago that this is not my America anymore .
Complacency has led to political leadership where not long ago , t-shirts were seen in New York City saying , " Ever think you 'd miss Nixon ?
" - and our cultural values have death spiraled into Western music being typified by Britney Spears , movies being typified by Transformers and our intellectual degradation is best summed up by the observation that there is actually a debate raging between evolution and creationism/ID.I now live in an America where enlightenment and consciousness are no longer on the list of valuable prizes to seek in life = precisely because few of us in the USA made conscious decisions among the matters of our culture and spirit.I 'm not debating if the US culture is " good " or " bad " here , just stating the fact that the amount of culture that is in the american way of doing business is seldom reflected.An interesting complimentarity - on one hand it 's a great truth , but its opposite - that our way of doing business is an exact reflection of culture - is equally a great truth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the world is eating it up.
A lot of people welcome it.
Few of them made a conscious decision among alternatives on the matter of culture and spirit.I said to a friend of 40 years running two days ago that this is not my America anymore.
Complacency has led to political leadership where not long ago, t-shirts were seen in New York City saying, "Ever think you'd miss Nixon?
" - and our cultural values have death spiraled into Western music being typified by Britney Spears, movies being typified by Transformers and our intellectual degradation is best summed up by the observation that there is actually a debate raging between evolution and creationism/ID.I now live in an America where enlightenment and consciousness are no longer on the list of valuable prizes to seek in life = precisely because few of us in the USA made conscious decisions among the matters of our culture and spirit.I'm not debating if the US culture is "good" or "bad" here, just stating the fact that the amount of culture that is in the american way of doing business is seldom reflected.An interesting complimentarity - on one hand it's a great truth, but its opposite - that our way of doing business is an exact reflection of culture - is equally a great truth.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567204</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31571264</id>
	<title>Re:I feel lucky to be born in the USA</title>
	<author>andy1307</author>
	<datestamp>1269281340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well said. I completely agree and I wasn't even born in the US.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well said .
I completely agree and I was n't even born in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well said.
I completely agree and I wasn't even born in the US.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31568592</id>
	<title>Re:hate them, but there's some truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269273300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is hard for many of us for whom the TV and HOLLYWOOD have been there for our whole lives to understand the immense propaganda value their carry.  However subtle it may be, it has profound effect on society as a whole.  I personally loathe what it has done to relationships, giving unreasonable expectations to youth in how the life of a couple works.  You get to have a glimpse to another person's truly personal life maybe a handful of times in your life (apart from your own family), but you get to see the same 'sets and settings' play out in TV and MOVIES hundreds of times in your life.  It is no wonder these traits follow up to real life, and often cause anxiety and grief.</p><p>Even if you regard what you see in the moving pictures as mere stories, they still dig deep into your head.  Sitcoms also defines the humour (and via that, the conducts which should be laughed at and disregarded as nonsense.), and people relate to the characters in the shows.  If they act in a way that a character in a TV show acts, and the TV character is portrayed as a better person than someone who is laughed at, he will get a boost of self-acknowledgement regarding his own behaviour.</p><p>The MOVIES also immensively affect cultural traditions (diamonds are forever, wedding ring has to have a scrap diamond in it, etc.) and politics (Iraqi torturers, US liberators, Hurt Locker portraying the soldiers are heroes and the occupied nation as villains and thus winning disproportionate amount of Oscars, etc).  It all shapes the public image.  We'll see how the new Karate Kid fares, when the black guy gets mistreated in China by people who will no doubt be portrayed as monsters.</p><p>Pure coincidences, but don't be surprised if at some point the Americans or, sweet Jesus bear me for saying this, the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..Israelis, will be portrayed as the villains instead.  Maybe a covert Arab freeing his jailed, tortured and abused peers from the hands of US torturers within secret US prisons.  The mental image might be amusing, but that's exactly what's being done in reverse at the moment.  And the public opinion has been shaped by such means for quite a long time now.  It's especially easy to shape the public image in things that you've not really read about or had the first hand contact and then shove it down with nice shock values - the search for examples is left as an exercise for the reader.</p><p>The basics of propaganda and the psychology behind it should be taught in school in form of critical thinking classes.</p><p>I've travelled somewhat more than people in my age group, and from what I've discerned is that people tend to be quite alike.  No matter where you go.  Eventhough they might have some cultural quirks, they tend to wish you well.  Yes, even in the Middle East and Africa.</p><p>This, however, shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who has utilized Internet to its fullest and had civil discussions with people from around the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is hard for many of us for whom the TV and HOLLYWOOD have been there for our whole lives to understand the immense propaganda value their carry .
However subtle it may be , it has profound effect on society as a whole .
I personally loathe what it has done to relationships , giving unreasonable expectations to youth in how the life of a couple works .
You get to have a glimpse to another person 's truly personal life maybe a handful of times in your life ( apart from your own family ) , but you get to see the same 'sets and settings ' play out in TV and MOVIES hundreds of times in your life .
It is no wonder these traits follow up to real life , and often cause anxiety and grief.Even if you regard what you see in the moving pictures as mere stories , they still dig deep into your head .
Sitcoms also defines the humour ( and via that , the conducts which should be laughed at and disregarded as nonsense .
) , and people relate to the characters in the shows .
If they act in a way that a character in a TV show acts , and the TV character is portrayed as a better person than someone who is laughed at , he will get a boost of self-acknowledgement regarding his own behaviour.The MOVIES also immensively affect cultural traditions ( diamonds are forever , wedding ring has to have a scrap diamond in it , etc .
) and politics ( Iraqi torturers , US liberators , Hurt Locker portraying the soldiers are heroes and the occupied nation as villains and thus winning disproportionate amount of Oscars , etc ) .
It all shapes the public image .
We 'll see how the new Karate Kid fares , when the black guy gets mistreated in China by people who will no doubt be portrayed as monsters.Pure coincidences , but do n't be surprised if at some point the Americans or , sweet Jesus bear me for saying this , the ..Israelis , will be portrayed as the villains instead .
Maybe a covert Arab freeing his jailed , tortured and abused peers from the hands of US torturers within secret US prisons .
The mental image might be amusing , but that 's exactly what 's being done in reverse at the moment .
And the public opinion has been shaped by such means for quite a long time now .
It 's especially easy to shape the public image in things that you 've not really read about or had the first hand contact and then shove it down with nice shock values - the search for examples is left as an exercise for the reader.The basics of propaganda and the psychology behind it should be taught in school in form of critical thinking classes.I 've travelled somewhat more than people in my age group , and from what I 've discerned is that people tend to be quite alike .
No matter where you go .
Eventhough they might have some cultural quirks , they tend to wish you well .
Yes , even in the Middle East and Africa.This , however , should n't come as a surprise to anyone who has utilized Internet to its fullest and had civil discussions with people from around the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is hard for many of us for whom the TV and HOLLYWOOD have been there for our whole lives to understand the immense propaganda value their carry.
However subtle it may be, it has profound effect on society as a whole.
I personally loathe what it has done to relationships, giving unreasonable expectations to youth in how the life of a couple works.
You get to have a glimpse to another person's truly personal life maybe a handful of times in your life (apart from your own family), but you get to see the same 'sets and settings' play out in TV and MOVIES hundreds of times in your life.
It is no wonder these traits follow up to real life, and often cause anxiety and grief.Even if you regard what you see in the moving pictures as mere stories, they still dig deep into your head.
Sitcoms also defines the humour (and via that, the conducts which should be laughed at and disregarded as nonsense.
), and people relate to the characters in the shows.
If they act in a way that a character in a TV show acts, and the TV character is portrayed as a better person than someone who is laughed at, he will get a boost of self-acknowledgement regarding his own behaviour.The MOVIES also immensively affect cultural traditions (diamonds are forever, wedding ring has to have a scrap diamond in it, etc.
) and politics (Iraqi torturers, US liberators, Hurt Locker portraying the soldiers are heroes and the occupied nation as villains and thus winning disproportionate amount of Oscars, etc).
It all shapes the public image.
We'll see how the new Karate Kid fares, when the black guy gets mistreated in China by people who will no doubt be portrayed as monsters.Pure coincidences, but don't be surprised if at some point the Americans or, sweet Jesus bear me for saying this, the ..Israelis, will be portrayed as the villains instead.
Maybe a covert Arab freeing his jailed, tortured and abused peers from the hands of US torturers within secret US prisons.
The mental image might be amusing, but that's exactly what's being done in reverse at the moment.
And the public opinion has been shaped by such means for quite a long time now.
It's especially easy to shape the public image in things that you've not really read about or had the first hand contact and then shove it down with nice shock values - the search for examples is left as an exercise for the reader.The basics of propaganda and the psychology behind it should be taught in school in form of critical thinking classes.I've travelled somewhat more than people in my age group, and from what I've discerned is that people tend to be quite alike.
No matter where you go.
Eventhough they might have some cultural quirks, they tend to wish you well.
Yes, even in the Middle East and Africa.This, however, shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who has utilized Internet to its fullest and had civil discussions with people from around the world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567360</id>
	<title>Re:Let's not forget</title>
	<author>Teun</author>
	<datestamp>1269270180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fact that society (including the internet) can be controlled and is controlled is no excuse for western companies to cooperate with the Chinese version of control.<br>I would go as far as to say a company that wants to be credible to their western customers can't possibly be compliant with present day Chinese restrictions re. freedom of information.<br>It looks to me Google finds it difficult to console their 'Do no Evil' morality with the Chinese instructions for complete government control.<br> <br>Along the same line I'm very happy with the recent EU decision to outlaw export of Internet filtering technology to countries where it's used dumb down the general population.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that society ( including the internet ) can be controlled and is controlled is no excuse for western companies to cooperate with the Chinese version of control.I would go as far as to say a company that wants to be credible to their western customers ca n't possibly be compliant with present day Chinese restrictions re .
freedom of information.It looks to me Google finds it difficult to console their 'Do no Evil ' morality with the Chinese instructions for complete government control .
Along the same line I 'm very happy with the recent EU decision to outlaw export of Internet filtering technology to countries where it 's used dumb down the general population .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that society (including the internet) can be controlled and is controlled is no excuse for western companies to cooperate with the Chinese version of control.I would go as far as to say a company that wants to be credible to their western customers can't possibly be compliant with present day Chinese restrictions re.
freedom of information.It looks to me Google finds it difficult to console their 'Do no Evil' morality with the Chinese instructions for complete government control.
Along the same line I'm very happy with the recent EU decision to outlaw export of Internet filtering technology to countries where it's used dumb down the general population.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31579028</id>
	<title>Both China and US are the same...</title>
	<author>v4vijayakumar</author>
	<datestamp>1269274080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They have also accused the company of trying to change Chinese society by imposing American values on it.</p></div><p> Both China and US are the same. China hides some details from its people, and US also hides some details (UFO, etc.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They have also accused the company of trying to change Chinese society by imposing American values on it .
Both China and US are the same .
China hides some details from its people , and US also hides some details ( UFO , etc .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have also accused the company of trying to change Chinese society by imposing American values on it.
Both China and US are the same.
China hides some details from its people, and US also hides some details (UFO, etc.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31570894</id>
	<title>Re:hate them, but there's some truth</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1269280140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The US is aggressively exporting its values and believes to the entire world, and it isn't asking if anyone wants it.</p> </div><p>It's like complaining about Bic Macs. If you don't like them, and think they're crap, then just don't buy it. Why should they have to ask your permission to sell?</p><p>This goes for countries as well as individuals, by the way.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The US is aggressively exporting its values and believes to the entire world , and it is n't asking if anyone wants it .
It 's like complaining about Bic Macs .
If you do n't like them , and think they 're crap , then just do n't buy it .
Why should they have to ask your permission to sell ? This goes for countries as well as individuals , by the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US is aggressively exporting its values and believes to the entire world, and it isn't asking if anyone wants it.
It's like complaining about Bic Macs.
If you don't like them, and think they're crap, then just don't buy it.
Why should they have to ask your permission to sell?This goes for countries as well as individuals, by the way.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567204</id>
	<title>hate them, but there's some truth</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1269269760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, we all love to hate the chinese. But there's some truth in there. The US <b>is</b> aggressively exporting its values and believes to the entire world, and it isn't asking if anyone wants it. Hollywood is the biggest propaganda machine ever, far more subtle and effective than any Nazi or Soviet Russian government efforts. And yes, Google is part of a culture as much as it is a company, and is bringing that culture to the world.</p><p>Most of the world is eating it up. A lot of people welcome it. Few of them made a conscious decision among alternatives on the matter of culture and spirit.</p><p>I'm not debating if the US culture is "good" or "bad" here, just stating the fact that the amount of culture that is in the american way of doing business is seldom reflected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , we all love to hate the chinese .
But there 's some truth in there .
The US is aggressively exporting its values and believes to the entire world , and it is n't asking if anyone wants it .
Hollywood is the biggest propaganda machine ever , far more subtle and effective than any Nazi or Soviet Russian government efforts .
And yes , Google is part of a culture as much as it is a company , and is bringing that culture to the world.Most of the world is eating it up .
A lot of people welcome it .
Few of them made a conscious decision among alternatives on the matter of culture and spirit.I 'm not debating if the US culture is " good " or " bad " here , just stating the fact that the amount of culture that is in the american way of doing business is seldom reflected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, we all love to hate the chinese.
But there's some truth in there.
The US is aggressively exporting its values and believes to the entire world, and it isn't asking if anyone wants it.
Hollywood is the biggest propaganda machine ever, far more subtle and effective than any Nazi or Soviet Russian government efforts.
And yes, Google is part of a culture as much as it is a company, and is bringing that culture to the world.Most of the world is eating it up.
A lot of people welcome it.
Few of them made a conscious decision among alternatives on the matter of culture and spirit.I'm not debating if the US culture is "good" or "bad" here, just stating the fact that the amount of culture that is in the american way of doing business is seldom reflected.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31571684</id>
	<title>Re:One company's ambition</title>
	<author>jdogalt</author>
	<datestamp>1269282420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<br>
Both are the first baby steps on the road to self-determination and freedom for the people in China.<br>
"<br>
<br>
Uh... No.  Thousands of Man and Woman sized steps were taken decades ago in Tienanmen Square.  The government, using agents from distant areas (less likely to have relatives in the crowd), subsequently mowed them down with machine guns after several days of peaceful protests.  Decades later, Google for years provided that same government the technology to keep information about that event from the people for several years.  To and including today.<br>
<br>
Go watch the Ted Koppel Discovery Channel documentary on China, where he asks a group of a dozen students about the incident.  For about a minute it is blank stares as if no one has any idea what he is talking about.  Then the camera catches one of them whisper "84" into the ears of the other.<br>
<br>
China's totalitarian censorship tactics create a dissociated personality in their citizens, where they have to 'DoubleThink' in order to have a conversation about actual reality.  I for one after the last decade of the patriot act am a lot less certain that the US is all that much better, but on the face, it certainly seems to be.<br>
<br>
The time for baby steps is long over.  There was a new hope in Tienanment Square, then the Empire struck back.  The question is whether or not there will be a return of the Jedi.  (several years after those tech Jedi appeared to have aligned themselves with the dark side)</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Both are the first baby steps on the road to self-determination and freedom for the people in China .
" Uh... No. Thousands of Man and Woman sized steps were taken decades ago in Tienanmen Square .
The government , using agents from distant areas ( less likely to have relatives in the crowd ) , subsequently mowed them down with machine guns after several days of peaceful protests .
Decades later , Google for years provided that same government the technology to keep information about that event from the people for several years .
To and including today .
Go watch the Ted Koppel Discovery Channel documentary on China , where he asks a group of a dozen students about the incident .
For about a minute it is blank stares as if no one has any idea what he is talking about .
Then the camera catches one of them whisper " 84 " into the ears of the other .
China 's totalitarian censorship tactics create a dissociated personality in their citizens , where they have to 'DoubleThink ' in order to have a conversation about actual reality .
I for one after the last decade of the patriot act am a lot less certain that the US is all that much better , but on the face , it certainly seems to be .
The time for baby steps is long over .
There was a new hope in Tienanment Square , then the Empire struck back .
The question is whether or not there will be a return of the Jedi .
( several years after those tech Jedi appeared to have aligned themselves with the dark side )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"
Both are the first baby steps on the road to self-determination and freedom for the people in China.
"

Uh... No.  Thousands of Man and Woman sized steps were taken decades ago in Tienanmen Square.
The government, using agents from distant areas (less likely to have relatives in the crowd), subsequently mowed them down with machine guns after several days of peaceful protests.
Decades later, Google for years provided that same government the technology to keep information about that event from the people for several years.
To and including today.
Go watch the Ted Koppel Discovery Channel documentary on China, where he asks a group of a dozen students about the incident.
For about a minute it is blank stares as if no one has any idea what he is talking about.
Then the camera catches one of them whisper "84" into the ears of the other.
China's totalitarian censorship tactics create a dissociated personality in their citizens, where they have to 'DoubleThink' in order to have a conversation about actual reality.
I for one after the last decade of the patriot act am a lot less certain that the US is all that much better, but on the face, it certainly seems to be.
The time for baby steps is long over.
There was a new hope in Tienanment Square, then the Empire struck back.
The question is whether or not there will be a return of the Jedi.
(several years after those tech Jedi appeared to have aligned themselves with the dark side)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:This is so incredibly saddening and angering, b</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269280380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>On the rare occasion it doesn't, it makes the history books.</p></div><p>Not the chinese history books...just sayin'...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the rare occasion it does n't , it makes the history books.Not the chinese history books...just sayin'.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the rare occasion it doesn't, it makes the history books.Not the chinese history books...just sayin'...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31568360</id>
	<title>Re:hate them, but there's some truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269272700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please explain how Tim Burton and Kristen Stewart represent the US government.  This should be a good one.  For inspiration, try Fars or www.kcna.co.jp, they tell the same story you do.  Bonus points for lumping Jim Carrey in with the Nazis and Communists.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please explain how Tim Burton and Kristen Stewart represent the US government .
This should be a good one .
For inspiration , try Fars or www.kcna.co.jp , they tell the same story you do .
Bonus points for lumping Jim Carrey in with the Nazis and Communists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please explain how Tim Burton and Kristen Stewart represent the US government.
This should be a good one.
For inspiration, try Fars or www.kcna.co.jp, they tell the same story you do.
Bonus points for lumping Jim Carrey in with the Nazis and Communists.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31570072</id>
	<title>Google forgets recommending PGP with Gmail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269277440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If Google really cared about our privacy, it would ADVERTIZE using PGP with Gmail. Unfortunately, Google cares more about the revenue from Gmail contextual ads and the information about the users than their privacy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If Google really cared about our privacy , it would ADVERTIZE using PGP with Gmail .
Unfortunately , Google cares more about the revenue from Gmail contextual ads and the information about the users than their privacy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Google really cared about our privacy, it would ADVERTIZE using PGP with Gmail.
Unfortunately, Google cares more about the revenue from Gmail contextual ads and the information about the users than their privacy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31568496</id>
	<title>US company has US ties, news at 11</title>
	<author>PPalmgren</author>
	<datestamp>1269273060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google's entire business model relies on the free internet society that the US has helped build.  If the internet started in Iran, it wouldn't be what it is today.  To say a US company with a business model based on internet freedom has a US bias is quite the waste of breath.</p><p>This is simply a case of a company embracing like-minded groups and distancing its threats.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google 's entire business model relies on the free internet society that the US has helped build .
If the internet started in Iran , it would n't be what it is today .
To say a US company with a business model based on internet freedom has a US bias is quite the waste of breath.This is simply a case of a company embracing like-minded groups and distancing its threats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google's entire business model relies on the free internet society that the US has helped build.
If the internet started in Iran, it wouldn't be what it is today.
To say a US company with a business model based on internet freedom has a US bias is quite the waste of breath.This is simply a case of a company embracing like-minded groups and distancing its threats.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31569606</id>
	<title>Re:I feel lucky to be born in the USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269276180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Somebody is going to apologize for the atrocities of the Chinese government by saying that the US government is no better.</p><p>Indeed. And the funny thing is that the moral relativism excuse only has a chance of working if the two entities being compared are actually, well, close.</p><p>Sadly, they're obviously nowhere near close on this issue, so the apologists look like a bunch of idiots/shills/nationalists.</p><p>The worst (or funniest, depending on your point of view) example I saw was on another site yesterday; Chinese police are raiding cooking oil producers, because it turns out they're making the stuff out of... sewage. To the tune of 10\% of the cooking oil sold in China being made of sewage. And still the relativist apologists came out in droves in the comments. Really. You guys are literally EATING SHIT and still trying to play the "you're not perfect so you can't criticize at all" card?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Somebody is going to apologize for the atrocities of the Chinese government by saying that the US government is no better.Indeed .
And the funny thing is that the moral relativism excuse only has a chance of working if the two entities being compared are actually , well , close.Sadly , they 're obviously nowhere near close on this issue , so the apologists look like a bunch of idiots/shills/nationalists.The worst ( or funniest , depending on your point of view ) example I saw was on another site yesterday ; Chinese police are raiding cooking oil producers , because it turns out they 're making the stuff out of... sewage. To the tune of 10 \ % of the cooking oil sold in China being made of sewage .
And still the relativist apologists came out in droves in the comments .
Really. You guys are literally EATING SHIT and still trying to play the " you 're not perfect so you ca n't criticize at all " card ?
: D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Somebody is going to apologize for the atrocities of the Chinese government by saying that the US government is no better.Indeed.
And the funny thing is that the moral relativism excuse only has a chance of working if the two entities being compared are actually, well, close.Sadly, they're obviously nowhere near close on this issue, so the apologists look like a bunch of idiots/shills/nationalists.The worst (or funniest, depending on your point of view) example I saw was on another site yesterday; Chinese police are raiding cooking oil producers, because it turns out they're making the stuff out of... sewage. To the tune of 10\% of the cooking oil sold in China being made of sewage.
And still the relativist apologists came out in droves in the comments.
Really. You guys are literally EATING SHIT and still trying to play the "you're not perfect so you can't criticize at all" card?
:D</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31570208</id>
	<title>China is the worst thing or Earth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269277860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chine is like a Cancer killing all the freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chine is like a Cancer killing all the freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chine is like a Cancer killing all the freedom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567226</id>
	<title>I feel lucky to be born in the USA</title>
	<author>cryfreedomlove</author>
	<datestamp>1269269820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The US government has done many awful and unjust things but it is a beacon of human rights when compared to the Peoples Republic of China.  <br> <br>What's happens to US citizens when they criticize the US government?  What happens to Chinese citizens when they criticize the current government of China?<br> <br>An honest answer to this test should quiet the post we will see here today.  Somebody is going to apologize for the atrocities of the Chinese government by saying that the US government is no better.  I can criticize both the US government and the Chinese government.  I don't fear any reprisal from the US government for that criticism. Chinese citizens can have their lives taken away or be imprisoned for little more than a charge of 'creating instability'.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The US government has done many awful and unjust things but it is a beacon of human rights when compared to the Peoples Republic of China .
What 's happens to US citizens when they criticize the US government ?
What happens to Chinese citizens when they criticize the current government of China ?
An honest answer to this test should quiet the post we will see here today .
Somebody is going to apologize for the atrocities of the Chinese government by saying that the US government is no better .
I can criticize both the US government and the Chinese government .
I do n't fear any reprisal from the US government for that criticism .
Chinese citizens can have their lives taken away or be imprisoned for little more than a charge of 'creating instability' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US government has done many awful and unjust things but it is a beacon of human rights when compared to the Peoples Republic of China.
What's happens to US citizens when they criticize the US government?
What happens to Chinese citizens when they criticize the current government of China?
An honest answer to this test should quiet the post we will see here today.
Somebody is going to apologize for the atrocities of the Chinese government by saying that the US government is no better.
I can criticize both the US government and the Chinese government.
I don't fear any reprisal from the US government for that criticism.
Chinese citizens can have their lives taken away or be imprisoned for little more than a charge of 'creating instability'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31575658</id>
	<title>Very consistent actually</title>
	<author>snowwrestler</author>
	<datestamp>1269253440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We see what we expect to see. In China, companies cannot become powerful and successful without some control and permission of the government. Therefore the Chinese government sees all powerful and successful companies through that lens. It is outside their experience that a private company could become as powerful and successful as Google has without any government patronage to speak of. They believe that they are simply exposing a truth that the rest of the world is too naive to see, or is not willing to admit.</p><p>U.S citizens might see them as hypocritical propagandists. But from their perspective they are being totally consistent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We see what we expect to see .
In China , companies can not become powerful and successful without some control and permission of the government .
Therefore the Chinese government sees all powerful and successful companies through that lens .
It is outside their experience that a private company could become as powerful and successful as Google has without any government patronage to speak of .
They believe that they are simply exposing a truth that the rest of the world is too naive to see , or is not willing to admit.U.S citizens might see them as hypocritical propagandists .
But from their perspective they are being totally consistent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We see what we expect to see.
In China, companies cannot become powerful and successful without some control and permission of the government.
Therefore the Chinese government sees all powerful and successful companies through that lens.
It is outside their experience that a private company could become as powerful and successful as Google has without any government patronage to speak of.
They believe that they are simply exposing a truth that the rest of the world is too naive to see, or is not willing to admit.U.S citizens might see them as hypocritical propagandists.
But from their perspective they are being totally consistent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31571310</id>
	<title>Re:I feel lucky to be born in the USA</title>
	<author>andy1307</author>
	<datestamp>1269281460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Like I said, not as bad as China, but certainly nothing close to ideal...</p></div><p>That's a straw man. Where did OP claim the US was a utopia?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like I said , not as bad as China , but certainly nothing close to ideal...That 's a straw man .
Where did OP claim the US was a utopia ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Like I said, not as bad as China, but certainly nothing close to ideal...That's a straw man.
Where did OP claim the US was a utopia?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567640</id>
	<title>Well....</title>
	<author>bickerdyke</author>
	<datestamp>1269270840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... google IS a US-based company.... what did they expect?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... google IS a US-based company.... what did they expect ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... google IS a US-based company.... what did they expect?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31573454</id>
	<title>Re:I feel lucky to be born in the USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269288240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's actually worse.<br>If you are in China you know the rules.<br>If you are in the US you have 200,000 pages of federal state and local statutes to know, understand and follow!</p><p>So on one hand you are dead, on the other hand you are placed in a very small cage and still shouting that "This is freedom, see Im not dead!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's actually worse.If you are in China you know the rules.If you are in the US you have 200,000 pages of federal state and local statutes to know , understand and follow ! So on one hand you are dead , on the other hand you are placed in a very small cage and still shouting that " This is freedom , see Im not dead !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's actually worse.If you are in China you know the rules.If you are in the US you have 200,000 pages of federal state and local statutes to know, understand and follow!So on one hand you are dead, on the other hand you are placed in a very small cage and still shouting that "This is freedom, see Im not dead!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31574584</id>
	<title>Google != USA</title>
	<author>twotailakitsune</author>
	<datestamp>1269249240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google like any other co. is out for money. If Google could make more money somewhere else they would. Stop trying to tie Co. to States!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google like any other co. is out for money .
If Google could make more money somewhere else they would .
Stop trying to tie Co. to States !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google like any other co. is out for money.
If Google could make more money somewhere else they would.
Stop trying to tie Co. to States!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31569366</id>
	<title>What do Chinese people think?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269275400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would be really interested what Chinese people think of this... Unfortunately there seems to be no comment section on xinhuanet. Pretty strange for such big news sites<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be really interested what Chinese people think of this... Unfortunately there seems to be no comment section on xinhuanet .
Pretty strange for such big news sites ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be really interested what Chinese people think of this... Unfortunately there seems to be no comment section on xinhuanet.
Pretty strange for such big news sites ....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31573824</id>
	<title>Google.com banned afterwards?</title>
	<author>Twinbee</author>
	<datestamp>1269289680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry for not keeping up with this whole thing, but once Google pull out of China, does that mean they won't even be able to access Google.com, a worldwide site?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry for not keeping up with this whole thing , but once Google pull out of China , does that mean they wo n't even be able to access Google.com , a worldwide site ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry for not keeping up with this whole thing, but once Google pull out of China, does that mean they won't even be able to access Google.com, a worldwide site?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567128</id>
	<title>This is so incredibly saddening and angering, but</title>
	<author>judolphin</author>
	<datestamp>1269269640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>As ridiculous as this is, at least they're fabricating crap in order to keep out a search engine, instead of fabricating crap in order to start a war.<br> <br>People in power do whatever they want. It usually works. On the rare occasion it doesn't, it makes the history books.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As ridiculous as this is , at least they 're fabricating crap in order to keep out a search engine , instead of fabricating crap in order to start a war .
People in power do whatever they want .
It usually works .
On the rare occasion it does n't , it makes the history books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As ridiculous as this is, at least they're fabricating crap in order to keep out a search engine, instead of fabricating crap in order to start a war.
People in power do whatever they want.
It usually works.
On the rare occasion it doesn't, it makes the history books.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31569736</id>
	<title>Imposing American values on China?</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1269276540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean like free trade?</p><p>The Chinese government *wants* American values, but cafeteria style.  They want free exchange of information so long as it is information leaving America and entering China. They don't want information leaving China or worse yet circulating within China.  The Chinese government wants America to be open and pursue classical liberal trade policy while it remains closed and pursues mercantilist policies.  It wants America to be true to its respect of sovereign nations, but to forget about every individual's sovereignty over his own opinions.  It demands the American not interfere in free markets while the Peoples Liberation Army operates businesses and party official parlay their connections into business wealth.</p><p>China has rejected the extreme form of socialism it was founded on, but it has not adopted the enlightened capitalism of Europe and America.  It has recreatd the caricature of American capitalism portrayed in its own propaganda: a system in which corrupt wealthy men pull the strings of corrupt government.</p><p>It's no wonder they don't want American values: those values empower the working class.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean like free trade ? The Chinese government * wants * American values , but cafeteria style .
They want free exchange of information so long as it is information leaving America and entering China .
They do n't want information leaving China or worse yet circulating within China .
The Chinese government wants America to be open and pursue classical liberal trade policy while it remains closed and pursues mercantilist policies .
It wants America to be true to its respect of sovereign nations , but to forget about every individual 's sovereignty over his own opinions .
It demands the American not interfere in free markets while the Peoples Liberation Army operates businesses and party official parlay their connections into business wealth.China has rejected the extreme form of socialism it was founded on , but it has not adopted the enlightened capitalism of Europe and America .
It has recreatd the caricature of American capitalism portrayed in its own propaganda : a system in which corrupt wealthy men pull the strings of corrupt government.It 's no wonder they do n't want American values : those values empower the working class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean like free trade?The Chinese government *wants* American values, but cafeteria style.
They want free exchange of information so long as it is information leaving America and entering China.
They don't want information leaving China or worse yet circulating within China.
The Chinese government wants America to be open and pursue classical liberal trade policy while it remains closed and pursues mercantilist policies.
It wants America to be true to its respect of sovereign nations, but to forget about every individual's sovereignty over his own opinions.
It demands the American not interfere in free markets while the Peoples Liberation Army operates businesses and party official parlay their connections into business wealth.China has rejected the extreme form of socialism it was founded on, but it has not adopted the enlightened capitalism of Europe and America.
It has recreatd the caricature of American capitalism portrayed in its own propaganda: a system in which corrupt wealthy men pull the strings of corrupt government.It's no wonder they don't want American values: those values empower the working class.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31572334</id>
	<title>I'll Admit It</title>
	<author>ffflala</author>
	<datestamp>1269284280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, I would actually like to change Chinese society by imposing American values on it. (Or at least some set of constitutionally democratic values; they don't have to be American.)</p><p>Not that I believe that America always lives up to its own values, but I would like to impose on Chinese society the values of representative government, of freedom of speech, and of equal access to justice. Chinese society currently has none of those values, and I think its people suffer greatly for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I would actually like to change Chinese society by imposing American values on it .
( Or at least some set of constitutionally democratic values ; they do n't have to be American .
) Not that I believe that America always lives up to its own values , but I would like to impose on Chinese society the values of representative government , of freedom of speech , and of equal access to justice .
Chinese society currently has none of those values , and I think its people suffer greatly for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I would actually like to change Chinese society by imposing American values on it.
(Or at least some set of constitutionally democratic values; they don't have to be American.
)Not that I believe that America always lives up to its own values, but I would like to impose on Chinese society the values of representative government, of freedom of speech, and of equal access to justice.
Chinese society currently has none of those values, and I think its people suffer greatly for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567708</id>
	<title>Re:Let's not forget</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269271020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so let me get this straight: google, which is located in the us, is being complained about for having connections in the US? And this is coming from the chinese news, which is located in china, and has connections with China? ror.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so let me get this straight : google , which is located in the us , is being complained about for having connections in the US ?
And this is coming from the chinese news , which is located in china , and has connections with China ?
ror .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so let me get this straight: google, which is located in the us, is being complained about for having connections in the US?
And this is coming from the chinese news, which is located in china, and has connections with China?
ror.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567468</id>
	<title>history lesson</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269270480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"They have also accused the company of trying to<br>change Chinese society by imposing American values on it."<br>everybody knows the internet was invented in china, duh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" They have also accused the company of trying tochange Chinese society by imposing American values on it .
" everybody knows the internet was invented in china , duh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"They have also accused the company of trying tochange Chinese society by imposing American values on it.
"everybody knows the internet was invented in china, duh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31580478</id>
	<title>Re:Imposing American values on China?</title>
	<author>griblik</author>
	<datestamp>1269336180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Chinese government *wants* American values, but cafeteria style. They want free exchange of information so long as it is information leaving America and entering China. They don't want information leaving China or worse yet circulating within China. The Chinese government wants America to be open and pursue classical liberal trade policy while it remains closed and pursues mercantilist policies. It wants America to be true to its respect of sovereign nations, but to forget about every individual's sovereignty over his own opinions. It demands the American not interfere in free markets while the Peoples Liberation Army operates businesses and party official parlay their connections into business wealth.</p></div><p>You know, I'm no expert on international relations so this might just be the media doing a number on me, but what you've written here looks remarkably similar to how the US treats the rest of the world.</p><p>The US had a unilateral information flow coming from Europe for years until <a href="http://europa.eu/lisbon\_treaty/index\_en.htm" title="europa.eu">the EU stopped it last year</a> [europa.eu]. It still maintains <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_embargoes" title="wikipedia.org">trade embargoes against a variety of countries</a> [wikipedia.org] whilst persuing a policy of <a href="http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/us-wto-trade.3p9" title="eubusiness.com">protectionism for it's own trade</a> [eubusiness.com]. And the fact that you even have the concept of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free\_speech\_zone" title="wikipedia.org">"Free speech zone"</a> [wikipedia.org] speaks volumes about the individual's sovereignty over their opinions.</p><p>I'm not saying the US is better or worse than China, just that a lot of the things that USians appear to think differentiate them from the Chinese actually don't.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chinese government * wants * American values , but cafeteria style .
They want free exchange of information so long as it is information leaving America and entering China .
They do n't want information leaving China or worse yet circulating within China .
The Chinese government wants America to be open and pursue classical liberal trade policy while it remains closed and pursues mercantilist policies .
It wants America to be true to its respect of sovereign nations , but to forget about every individual 's sovereignty over his own opinions .
It demands the American not interfere in free markets while the Peoples Liberation Army operates businesses and party official parlay their connections into business wealth.You know , I 'm no expert on international relations so this might just be the media doing a number on me , but what you 've written here looks remarkably similar to how the US treats the rest of the world.The US had a unilateral information flow coming from Europe for years until the EU stopped it last year [ europa.eu ] .
It still maintains trade embargoes against a variety of countries [ wikipedia.org ] whilst persuing a policy of protectionism for it 's own trade [ eubusiness.com ] .
And the fact that you even have the concept of a " Free speech zone " [ wikipedia.org ] speaks volumes about the individual 's sovereignty over their opinions.I 'm not saying the US is better or worse than China , just that a lot of the things that USians appear to think differentiate them from the Chinese actually do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chinese government *wants* American values, but cafeteria style.
They want free exchange of information so long as it is information leaving America and entering China.
They don't want information leaving China or worse yet circulating within China.
The Chinese government wants America to be open and pursue classical liberal trade policy while it remains closed and pursues mercantilist policies.
It wants America to be true to its respect of sovereign nations, but to forget about every individual's sovereignty over his own opinions.
It demands the American not interfere in free markets while the Peoples Liberation Army operates businesses and party official parlay their connections into business wealth.You know, I'm no expert on international relations so this might just be the media doing a number on me, but what you've written here looks remarkably similar to how the US treats the rest of the world.The US had a unilateral information flow coming from Europe for years until the EU stopped it last year [europa.eu].
It still maintains trade embargoes against a variety of countries [wikipedia.org] whilst persuing a policy of protectionism for it's own trade [eubusiness.com].
And the fact that you even have the concept of a "Free speech zone" [wikipedia.org] speaks volumes about the individual's sovereignty over their opinions.I'm not saying the US is better or worse than China, just that a lot of the things that USians appear to think differentiate them from the Chinese actually don't.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31570544</id>
	<title>Re:hate them, but there's some truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269278820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had this argument when I was in Europe and the Middle East with folks.</p><p>"America is culturally invading other countries..." Wait, what? "Ooh McDonalds is open lets get fries! They have the best milk shakes have you ever had one?!"</p><p>Don't go to American movies. Don't download American music. Don't play American video games. Don't buy from American companies.</p><p>Short list of American companies to avoid...<br>Dell, Apple, Microsoft, Intel, AMD, Cisco, Google, GM, Ford, Coca-Cola, Pespi, IBM, Blizzard, EA,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.'s parent company, fark.com, CNN, Fox, New York Times, Manchester United and AT&amp;T.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had this argument when I was in Europe and the Middle East with folks .
" America is culturally invading other countries... " Wait , what ?
" Ooh McDonalds is open lets get fries !
They have the best milk shakes have you ever had one ? !
" Do n't go to American movies .
Do n't download American music .
Do n't play American video games .
Do n't buy from American companies.Short list of American companies to avoid...Dell , Apple , Microsoft , Intel , AMD , Cisco , Google , GM , Ford , Coca-Cola , Pespi , IBM , Blizzard , EA , / .
's parent company , fark.com , CNN , Fox , New York Times , Manchester United and AT&amp;T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had this argument when I was in Europe and the Middle East with folks.
"America is culturally invading other countries..." Wait, what?
"Ooh McDonalds is open lets get fries!
They have the best milk shakes have you ever had one?!
"Don't go to American movies.
Don't download American music.
Don't play American video games.
Don't buy from American companies.Short list of American companies to avoid...Dell, Apple, Microsoft, Intel, AMD, Cisco, Google, GM, Ford, Coca-Cola, Pespi, IBM, Blizzard, EA, /.
's parent company, fark.com, CNN, Fox, New York Times, Manchester United and AT&amp;T.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567200</id>
	<title>One company's ambition</title>
	<author>thej1nx</author>
	<datestamp>1269269760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If one company's ambition change China's internet rules will only prove to be ridiculous, why is a China government run news agency so frantically issuing statements on the issue?<p>

It is just one company, right? In theory they shouldn't even be taking notice...</p><p>

If they had actually expected to come out fully unscathed from this, they would have not even blinked.</p><p>

China's censorship system had worked so far only because the Chinese always had options/alternatives when blocked from sites containing "dangerous ideas". The Chinese public simply accepted the government explanation. But Google, as the world's leading search engine, is something that is pretty much an inherent part of internet. Blocking a valuable internet resource requires much more rationalization, which is exactly what has the Chinese government sweating. It will be much harder to sell to the internet-using Chinese public. As such, this actually can lead to a relaxing of censorship in China. If not, it will lead to a realization on the part of Chinese public as to how they are actually visibly suffering by tolerating a non-democratic fascist state. Both are the first baby steps on the road to self-determination and freedom for the people in China.</p><p>

Sadly, the said Chinese government is banking on having an alternative in competing search engines such as that of Microsoft. If Microsoft fails to follow Google's example, it will now actually be actively working to keep the seeds of democracy out of China.</p><p>

Not that Microsoft, would be interested in anything apart from its profit line, considering it doesn't really believes in any kind of business ethics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If one company 's ambition change China 's internet rules will only prove to be ridiculous , why is a China government run news agency so frantically issuing statements on the issue ?
It is just one company , right ?
In theory they should n't even be taking notice.. . If they had actually expected to come out fully unscathed from this , they would have not even blinked .
China 's censorship system had worked so far only because the Chinese always had options/alternatives when blocked from sites containing " dangerous ideas " .
The Chinese public simply accepted the government explanation .
But Google , as the world 's leading search engine , is something that is pretty much an inherent part of internet .
Blocking a valuable internet resource requires much more rationalization , which is exactly what has the Chinese government sweating .
It will be much harder to sell to the internet-using Chinese public .
As such , this actually can lead to a relaxing of censorship in China .
If not , it will lead to a realization on the part of Chinese public as to how they are actually visibly suffering by tolerating a non-democratic fascist state .
Both are the first baby steps on the road to self-determination and freedom for the people in China .
Sadly , the said Chinese government is banking on having an alternative in competing search engines such as that of Microsoft .
If Microsoft fails to follow Google 's example , it will now actually be actively working to keep the seeds of democracy out of China .
Not that Microsoft , would be interested in anything apart from its profit line , considering it does n't really believes in any kind of business ethics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If one company's ambition change China's internet rules will only prove to be ridiculous, why is a China government run news agency so frantically issuing statements on the issue?
It is just one company, right?
In theory they shouldn't even be taking notice...

If they had actually expected to come out fully unscathed from this, they would have not even blinked.
China's censorship system had worked so far only because the Chinese always had options/alternatives when blocked from sites containing "dangerous ideas".
The Chinese public simply accepted the government explanation.
But Google, as the world's leading search engine, is something that is pretty much an inherent part of internet.
Blocking a valuable internet resource requires much more rationalization, which is exactly what has the Chinese government sweating.
It will be much harder to sell to the internet-using Chinese public.
As such, this actually can lead to a relaxing of censorship in China.
If not, it will lead to a realization on the part of Chinese public as to how they are actually visibly suffering by tolerating a non-democratic fascist state.
Both are the first baby steps on the road to self-determination and freedom for the people in China.
Sadly, the said Chinese government is banking on having an alternative in competing search engines such as that of Microsoft.
If Microsoft fails to follow Google's example, it will now actually be actively working to keep the seeds of democracy out of China.
Not that Microsoft, would be interested in anything apart from its profit line, considering it doesn't really believes in any kind of business ethics.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567578</id>
	<title>Re:I feel lucky to be born in the USA</title>
	<author>betterunixthanunix</author>
	<datestamp>1269270720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>"I don't fear any reprisal from the US government for that criticism."<br> <br>

That is a bit of a stretch, considering that critics of US foreign policy have found themselves unable to board airplanes.  Sure, it is not as bad as what happens in China, but let's not act like the US is all roses and that criticism of the government goes unpunished.  Only a few years ago, my friends were imprisoned for peacefully protesting the RNC in New York.  Like I said, not as bad as China, but certainly nothing close to ideal...</htmltext>
<tokenext>" I do n't fear any reprisal from the US government for that criticism .
" That is a bit of a stretch , considering that critics of US foreign policy have found themselves unable to board airplanes .
Sure , it is not as bad as what happens in China , but let 's not act like the US is all roses and that criticism of the government goes unpunished .
Only a few years ago , my friends were imprisoned for peacefully protesting the RNC in New York .
Like I said , not as bad as China , but certainly nothing close to ideal.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I don't fear any reprisal from the US government for that criticism.
" 

That is a bit of a stretch, considering that critics of US foreign policy have found themselves unable to board airplanes.
Sure, it is not as bad as what happens in China, but let's not act like the US is all roses and that criticism of the government goes unpunished.
Only a few years ago, my friends were imprisoned for peacefully protesting the RNC in New York.
Like I said, not as bad as China, but certainly nothing close to ideal...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31567530</id>
	<title>Stop whining!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269270600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*points at China*</p><p>It's hard telling a company what to do when you don't own it, eh? Mayhaps this will inspire other companies to think twice before setting up shop in China...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* points at China * It 's hard telling a company what to do when you do n't own it , eh ?
Mayhaps this will inspire other companies to think twice before setting up shop in China.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*points at China*It's hard telling a company what to do when you don't own it, eh?
Mayhaps this will inspire other companies to think twice before setting up shop in China...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31579232</id>
	<title>Re:I feel lucky to be born in the USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269276300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The US is a beacon of human rights abuse. Overthrowing democracies, torturing, highest incarceration rate on the planet, free-speech zones, legal bribery of politicians, warantless wiretapping, police in schools... need I go on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US is a beacon of human rights abuse .
Overthrowing democracies , torturing , highest incarceration rate on the planet , free-speech zones , legal bribery of politicians , warantless wiretapping , police in schools... need I go on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US is a beacon of human rights abuse.
Overthrowing democracies, torturing, highest incarceration rate on the planet, free-speech zones, legal bribery of politicians, warantless wiretapping, police in schools... need I go on?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31583470</id>
	<title>Re:This is so incredibly saddening and angering, b</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269358380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As ridiculous as this is, at least they're fabricating crap in order to keep out a search engine, instead of fabricating crap in order to start a war.</p></div><p>Afraid it's more like, they're fabricating crap to prevent dissent among the people. Can't have Google infecting the populace with crazy ideas of freedom, so they tarnish the company, and make it out to be an enemy / threat against the people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As ridiculous as this is , at least they 're fabricating crap in order to keep out a search engine , instead of fabricating crap in order to start a war.Afraid it 's more like , they 're fabricating crap to prevent dissent among the people .
Ca n't have Google infecting the populace with crazy ideas of freedom , so they tarnish the company , and make it out to be an enemy / threat against the people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As ridiculous as this is, at least they're fabricating crap in order to keep out a search engine, instead of fabricating crap in order to start a war.Afraid it's more like, they're fabricating crap to prevent dissent among the people.
Can't have Google infecting the populace with crazy ideas of freedom, so they tarnish the company, and make it out to be an enemy / threat against the people.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31598570</id>
	<title>Re:hate them, but there's some truth</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1269449220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Please explain how Tim Burton and Kristen Stewart represent the US government.</p></div><p>Why should I explain something I didn't every say or claim?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please explain how Tim Burton and Kristen Stewart represent the US government.Why should I explain something I did n't every say or claim ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please explain how Tim Burton and Kristen Stewart represent the US government.Why should I explain something I didn't every say or claim?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_135247.31568936</id>
	<title>They're Right</title>
	<author>MightyMartian</author>
	<datestamp>1269274140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course the Chinese authorities are right. It is ridiculous that Google could think to change China's Internet rules.  But it's still a battle worth fighting.  300 Spartans and the other Greek allies didn't actually stop the Persians from invading Greece, but I don't think anyone would call the Battle of Thermopylae ridiculous.  Sometimes a stroke of the symbolic sword can be as powerful as a real one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course the Chinese authorities are right .
It is ridiculous that Google could think to change China 's Internet rules .
But it 's still a battle worth fighting .
300 Spartans and the other Greek allies did n't actually stop the Persians from invading Greece , but I do n't think anyone would call the Battle of Thermopylae ridiculous .
Sometimes a stroke of the symbolic sword can be as powerful as a real one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course the Chinese authorities are right.
It is ridiculous that Google could think to change China's Internet rules.
But it's still a battle worth fighting.
300 Spartans and the other Greek allies didn't actually stop the Persians from invading Greece, but I don't think anyone would call the Battle of Thermopylae ridiculous.
Sometimes a stroke of the symbolic sword can be as powerful as a real one.</sentencetext>
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