<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_19_1945205</id>
	<title>Oracle Shuttering OpenSSO</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1268992080000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>mdm42 writes <i>"<a href="http://www.opensso.org/">OpenSSO</a> is one of the best open source web Single Sign On projects out there. Sun Microsystems made OpenSSO open source in 2008, so it's sad to see how, after absorbing Sun, <a href="http://not403.blogspot.com/2010/03/example-of-awesomeness-of-open-source.html">Oracle is shutting down this amazing project</a>, labelling it 'not strategic' and dismembering the few parts they think are worthwhile for their own SSO effort. They started by freezing the next express release, and during the last few weeks they have been removing all the open source downloads from the OpenSSO website and removing content from the wiki. Fortunately, a Norwegian company called <a href="http://www.forgerock.com/">ForgeRock</a> has stepped up to the plate in an attempt to salvage the project under the new name <a href="http://www.forgerock.com/openam.html">OpenAM</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>mdm42 writes " OpenSSO is one of the best open source web Single Sign On projects out there .
Sun Microsystems made OpenSSO open source in 2008 , so it 's sad to see how , after absorbing Sun , Oracle is shutting down this amazing project , labelling it 'not strategic ' and dismembering the few parts they think are worthwhile for their own SSO effort .
They started by freezing the next express release , and during the last few weeks they have been removing all the open source downloads from the OpenSSO website and removing content from the wiki .
Fortunately , a Norwegian company called ForgeRock has stepped up to the plate in an attempt to salvage the project under the new name OpenAM .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mdm42 writes "OpenSSO is one of the best open source web Single Sign On projects out there.
Sun Microsystems made OpenSSO open source in 2008, so it's sad to see how, after absorbing Sun, Oracle is shutting down this amazing project, labelling it 'not strategic' and dismembering the few parts they think are worthwhile for their own SSO effort.
They started by freezing the next express release, and during the last few weeks they have been removing all the open source downloads from the OpenSSO website and removing content from the wiki.
Fortunately, a Norwegian company called ForgeRock has stepped up to the plate in an attempt to salvage the project under the new name OpenAM.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31550624</id>
	<title>Doubtful.</title>
	<author>NotBornYesterday</author>
	<datestamp>1269111300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Never underestimate the economic power of a vast user base, some of whom will buy support contracts, and perhaps upgrade to your flagship product in the future.  OpenSSO didn't have a following (or upgrade path) anywhere near as large or lucrative, which made them vulnerable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Never underestimate the economic power of a vast user base , some of whom will buy support contracts , and perhaps upgrade to your flagship product in the future .
OpenSSO did n't have a following ( or upgrade path ) anywhere near as large or lucrative , which made them vulnerable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never underestimate the economic power of a vast user base, some of whom will buy support contracts, and perhaps upgrade to your flagship product in the future.
OpenSSO didn't have a following (or upgrade path) anywhere near as large or lucrative, which made them vulnerable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31548098</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way of MySQL too?</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1269077280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>Oracle is determining what parts of Sun are profitable</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>Or potentially profitable.  Sun has some good products that don't do as well as they might,  due to inept management and marketing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oracle is determining what parts of Sun are profitable Or potentially profitable .
Sun has some good products that do n't do as well as they might , due to inept management and marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Oracle is determining what parts of Sun are profitable Or potentially profitable.
Sun has some good products that don't do as well as they might,  due to inept management and marketing.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31545768</id>
	<title>Here we go again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269003240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like I <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1535752&amp;cid=31012464&amp;art\_pos=4" title="slashdot.org">posted a few weeks back</a> [slashdot.org],<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. needs to save a template to re-use each time they feel the need to write a story about a marginally-relevant, minimally-staffed, largely-forgotten Sun project that Oracle shuts down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like I posted a few weeks back [ slashdot.org ] , / .
needs to save a template to re-use each time they feel the need to write a story about a marginally-relevant , minimally-staffed , largely-forgotten Sun project that Oracle shuts down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like I posted a few weeks back [slashdot.org], /.
needs to save a template to re-use each time they feel the need to write a story about a marginally-relevant, minimally-staffed, largely-forgotten Sun project that Oracle shuts down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544850</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way of MySQL too?</title>
	<author>copponex</author>
	<datestamp>1268997840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The information asymmetry involved in technology make it a very lucrative place to be. A vast majority of people don't understand the differences between Windows and Linux, much less the difference of open and closed source.</p><p>Oracle is determining what parts of Sun are profitable, and planning to abandon the parts that are not. The abandonment of unprofitable Sun products will be touted as their commitment to open source. The privatization of Sun products will be touted as their commitment to innovation, or some other meaningless phrase.</p><p>If it makes you feel any better, that was also the policy of Sun. And Microsoft. And Apple. If you are ever on the wrong side of a profit equation for a company, you will be screwed. This is as certain as death and taxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The information asymmetry involved in technology make it a very lucrative place to be .
A vast majority of people do n't understand the differences between Windows and Linux , much less the difference of open and closed source.Oracle is determining what parts of Sun are profitable , and planning to abandon the parts that are not .
The abandonment of unprofitable Sun products will be touted as their commitment to open source .
The privatization of Sun products will be touted as their commitment to innovation , or some other meaningless phrase.If it makes you feel any better , that was also the policy of Sun .
And Microsoft .
And Apple .
If you are ever on the wrong side of a profit equation for a company , you will be screwed .
This is as certain as death and taxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The information asymmetry involved in technology make it a very lucrative place to be.
A vast majority of people don't understand the differences between Windows and Linux, much less the difference of open and closed source.Oracle is determining what parts of Sun are profitable, and planning to abandon the parts that are not.
The abandonment of unprofitable Sun products will be touted as their commitment to open source.
The privatization of Sun products will be touted as their commitment to innovation, or some other meaningless phrase.If it makes you feel any better, that was also the policy of Sun.
And Microsoft.
And Apple.
If you are ever on the wrong side of a profit equation for a company, you will be screwed.
This is as certain as death and taxes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31548292</id>
	<title>I for one care</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269082020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn it.</p><p>I work for a company that has their whole intranet and a great deal of their extranet build on Sun Portal Server. While the portal server itself is mostly crap, Access Manager (now called OpenSSO) is actually a great product. We had just a couple of very minor problems which were easily resolved in the last 6 years. We planned to either upgrade to Webspace or to maybe just keep OpenSSO and go for Liferay directly. There are a lot of managers who cry Sharepoint, Sharepoint but so far we were defending well and could keep that crappy thing out.</p><p>What I really hate here is that the Sharepoint faction will use this as an argument (Reason doesn't matter, FUD always works!). I see a lot of tedious discussions of how to proceed coming...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn it.I work for a company that has their whole intranet and a great deal of their extranet build on Sun Portal Server .
While the portal server itself is mostly crap , Access Manager ( now called OpenSSO ) is actually a great product .
We had just a couple of very minor problems which were easily resolved in the last 6 years .
We planned to either upgrade to Webspace or to maybe just keep OpenSSO and go for Liferay directly .
There are a lot of managers who cry Sharepoint , Sharepoint but so far we were defending well and could keep that crappy thing out.What I really hate here is that the Sharepoint faction will use this as an argument ( Reason does n't matter , FUD always works ! ) .
I see a lot of tedious discussions of how to proceed coming.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn it.I work for a company that has their whole intranet and a great deal of their extranet build on Sun Portal Server.
While the portal server itself is mostly crap, Access Manager (now called OpenSSO) is actually a great product.
We had just a couple of very minor problems which were easily resolved in the last 6 years.
We planned to either upgrade to Webspace or to maybe just keep OpenSSO and go for Liferay directly.
There are a lot of managers who cry Sharepoint, Sharepoint but so far we were defending well and could keep that crappy thing out.What I really hate here is that the Sharepoint faction will use this as an argument (Reason doesn't matter, FUD always works!).
I see a lot of tedious discussions of how to proceed coming...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31548314</id>
	<title>Re:MySQL next?</title>
	<author>Kagetsuki</author>
	<datestamp>1269082560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope they do. I have never liked SQL and MySQL has always been problematic for me. The company I work at has switched to Tokyo Cabinet for all our applications and it has been like a dream compared to MySQL. The fact that we can have heavy duty applications written in C/C++ and web applications bound up with Ruby all effiiently accessing the same database AND those applications are extremely easy to understand and were easy to write says a hell of a lot.<br>
<br>
Of course I'm really not going to start liking Oracle regardless of what they do with MySQL; in fact I can't remember ever liking Oracle or finding anything they offer attractive. On top of that the fact they are being straight up dicks with SUN (some of SUN's stuff I really do/did like and I really wish Java had kept up and prevented Flash from ever taking off).  Can anybody even offer an argument for why we should support Oracle? What do/did they do that is good?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope they do .
I have never liked SQL and MySQL has always been problematic for me .
The company I work at has switched to Tokyo Cabinet for all our applications and it has been like a dream compared to MySQL .
The fact that we can have heavy duty applications written in C/C + + and web applications bound up with Ruby all effiiently accessing the same database AND those applications are extremely easy to understand and were easy to write says a hell of a lot .
Of course I 'm really not going to start liking Oracle regardless of what they do with MySQL ; in fact I ca n't remember ever liking Oracle or finding anything they offer attractive .
On top of that the fact they are being straight up dicks with SUN ( some of SUN 's stuff I really do/did like and I really wish Java had kept up and prevented Flash from ever taking off ) .
Can anybody even offer an argument for why we should support Oracle ?
What do/did they do that is good ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope they do.
I have never liked SQL and MySQL has always been problematic for me.
The company I work at has switched to Tokyo Cabinet for all our applications and it has been like a dream compared to MySQL.
The fact that we can have heavy duty applications written in C/C++ and web applications bound up with Ruby all effiiently accessing the same database AND those applications are extremely easy to understand and were easy to write says a hell of a lot.
Of course I'm really not going to start liking Oracle regardless of what they do with MySQL; in fact I can't remember ever liking Oracle or finding anything they offer attractive.
On top of that the fact they are being straight up dicks with SUN (some of SUN's stuff I really do/did like and I really wish Java had kept up and prevented Flash from ever taking off).
Can anybody even offer an argument for why we should support Oracle?
What do/did they do that is good?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544820</id>
	<title>Scandinavians again.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268997660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>please, those who have the tendency to batter me with hardliner conservative arguments in discussions, make a mental note - this is one of the cases i always give examples of success of social democracies, and how heavy regulation and keeping-in-check of corporations spurs innovation far more than the reckless corporate owned environment does. an american company, which lives in a land in which corporations rule, shuts down something useful, and that useful thing gets immediately salvaged by a company which lives in a land in which corporations are heavily kept in check and regulated. and again, another scandinavian country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>please , those who have the tendency to batter me with hardliner conservative arguments in discussions , make a mental note - this is one of the cases i always give examples of success of social democracies , and how heavy regulation and keeping-in-check of corporations spurs innovation far more than the reckless corporate owned environment does .
an american company , which lives in a land in which corporations rule , shuts down something useful , and that useful thing gets immediately salvaged by a company which lives in a land in which corporations are heavily kept in check and regulated .
and again , another scandinavian country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>please, those who have the tendency to batter me with hardliner conservative arguments in discussions, make a mental note - this is one of the cases i always give examples of success of social democracies, and how heavy regulation and keeping-in-check of corporations spurs innovation far more than the reckless corporate owned environment does.
an american company, which lives in a land in which corporations rule, shuts down something useful, and that useful thing gets immediately salvaged by a company which lives in a land in which corporations are heavily kept in check and regulated.
and again, another scandinavian country.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31547682</id>
	<title>Re:MySQL next?</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1269025560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is with stuff that is already built on MySQl, and the availability of MySQL. All the low end CMSs use MySQL, so do quite a few big ones. ALl the cheap web hosts offer MySQL.</p><p>MySQL is also, IMO, easier to learn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is with stuff that is already built on MySQl , and the availability of MySQL .
All the low end CMSs use MySQL , so do quite a few big ones .
ALl the cheap web hosts offer MySQL.MySQL is also , IMO , easier to learn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is with stuff that is already built on MySQl, and the availability of MySQL.
All the low end CMSs use MySQL, so do quite a few big ones.
ALl the cheap web hosts offer MySQL.MySQL is also, IMO, easier to learn.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544812</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31546862</id>
	<title>Source code history backed up?</title>
	<author>Simon80</author>
	<datestamp>1269013620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OpenAM appears to have simply imported a snapshot of the tree into SVN. Interested parties should probably back up the entire CVS history of OpenSSO using a tool like, for example, cvssuck, in before it is "unpublished".</htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenAM appears to have simply imported a snapshot of the tree into SVN .
Interested parties should probably back up the entire CVS history of OpenSSO using a tool like , for example , cvssuck , in before it is " unpublished " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenAM appears to have simply imported a snapshot of the tree into SVN.
Interested parties should probably back up the entire CVS history of OpenSSO using a tool like, for example, cvssuck, in before it is "unpublished".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544572</id>
	<title>not strategic</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1268996460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well of course not. If it doesn't make Oracle money, it will be gone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well of course not .
If it does n't make Oracle money , it will be gone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well of course not.
If it doesn't make Oracle money, it will be gone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31546788</id>
	<title>Dollar value for open source assets</title>
	<author>Alan426</author>
	<datestamp>1269012840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another way to look at this move is that open source projects have a significant dollar value, if for no other reason that the project may compete for market share with other products.  One could certainly see the strategic benefit of supporting a "hard to kill" project to compete with a market leader.  Now, we have an example of such a project becoming an acquisition target.</p><p>This is no different than a company which buys out their competitor for the purpose of "integrating" (e.g., shutting down) a competing product line.  Luckily, unlike proprietary solutions, this project will fork back to the community and live on, albeit without Sun's corporate backing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another way to look at this move is that open source projects have a significant dollar value , if for no other reason that the project may compete for market share with other products .
One could certainly see the strategic benefit of supporting a " hard to kill " project to compete with a market leader .
Now , we have an example of such a project becoming an acquisition target.This is no different than a company which buys out their competitor for the purpose of " integrating " ( e.g. , shutting down ) a competing product line .
Luckily , unlike proprietary solutions , this project will fork back to the community and live on , albeit without Sun 's corporate backing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another way to look at this move is that open source projects have a significant dollar value, if for no other reason that the project may compete for market share with other products.
One could certainly see the strategic benefit of supporting a "hard to kill" project to compete with a market leader.
Now, we have an example of such a project becoming an acquisition target.This is no different than a company which buys out their competitor for the purpose of "integrating" (e.g., shutting down) a competing product line.
Luckily, unlike proprietary solutions, this project will fork back to the community and live on, albeit without Sun's corporate backing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31553074</id>
	<title>Re:The Sun Also Sets</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269086580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is it? Or is OpenSSO simply inconsequential?</p><p>I've never understood the appeal of SSO solutions. Joe Sixpack doesn't give a damn. It's never been made simple enough for him to "get".  A handful of geeks may think it's awesome. But the rest of the real world doesn't care.</p><p>Snoracle is probably totally safe with this.</p></div><p>OpenSSO is not inconsequential IMHO - it is still one of the market leaders according to Gartner, and has a wide deploy base.</p><p>As for Joe Sixpack not giving a damn about SSO, that's the whole point. The user doesn't have to think about having access to 40 systems with the same username/password in a single session. The rest of the world uses SSO more and more, just look at making comments on a blog being identified by your current Google login because there is an OpenID integration - perhaps running on OpenSSO...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it ?
Or is OpenSSO simply inconsequential ? I 've never understood the appeal of SSO solutions .
Joe Sixpack does n't give a damn .
It 's never been made simple enough for him to " get " .
A handful of geeks may think it 's awesome .
But the rest of the real world does n't care.Snoracle is probably totally safe with this.OpenSSO is not inconsequential IMHO - it is still one of the market leaders according to Gartner , and has a wide deploy base.As for Joe Sixpack not giving a damn about SSO , that 's the whole point .
The user does n't have to think about having access to 40 systems with the same username/password in a single session .
The rest of the world uses SSO more and more , just look at making comments on a blog being identified by your current Google login because there is an OpenID integration - perhaps running on OpenSSO.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it?
Or is OpenSSO simply inconsequential?I've never understood the appeal of SSO solutions.
Joe Sixpack doesn't give a damn.
It's never been made simple enough for him to "get".
A handful of geeks may think it's awesome.
But the rest of the real world doesn't care.Snoracle is probably totally safe with this.OpenSSO is not inconsequential IMHO - it is still one of the market leaders according to Gartner, and has a wide deploy base.As for Joe Sixpack not giving a damn about SSO, that's the whole point.
The user doesn't have to think about having access to 40 systems with the same username/password in a single session.
The rest of the world uses SSO more and more, just look at making comments on a blog being identified by your current Google login because there is an OpenID integration - perhaps running on OpenSSO...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544428</id>
	<title>The Sun Also Sets</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268995860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another nail in the once proud legacy of Sun.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another nail in the once proud legacy of Sun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another nail in the once proud legacy of Sun.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31555320</id>
	<title>www.openssosupport.com</title>
	<author>sureshsamuel</author>
	<datestamp>1269109680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everett (www.everett.nl) also supports opensso.</p><p>http://www.openssosupport.com/</p><p>Suresh Samuel</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everett ( www.everett.nl ) also supports opensso.http : //www.openssosupport.com/Suresh Samuel</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everett (www.everett.nl) also supports opensso.http://www.openssosupport.com/Suresh Samuel</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31545304</id>
	<title>Re:The Sun Also Sets</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269000060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it? Or is OpenSSO simply inconsequential?</p><p>I've never understood the appeal of SSO solutions. Joe Sixpack doesn't give a damn. It's never been made simple enough for him to "get".  A handful of geeks may think it's awesome. But the rest of the real world doesn't care.</p><p>Snoracle is probably totally safe with this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it ?
Or is OpenSSO simply inconsequential ? I 've never understood the appeal of SSO solutions .
Joe Sixpack does n't give a damn .
It 's never been made simple enough for him to " get " .
A handful of geeks may think it 's awesome .
But the rest of the real world does n't care.Snoracle is probably totally safe with this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it?
Or is OpenSSO simply inconsequential?I've never understood the appeal of SSO solutions.
Joe Sixpack doesn't give a damn.
It's never been made simple enough for him to "get".
A handful of geeks may think it's awesome.
But the rest of the real world doesn't care.Snoracle is probably totally safe with this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544428</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544430</id>
	<title>This is the way of MySQL too?</title>
	<author>Z00L00K</author>
	<datestamp>1268995860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This may be a test to see if they get attention for shutting down an open source project they inherited in order to also in the long run do the same to MySQL and possibly also other OpenSource projects.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This may be a test to see if they get attention for shutting down an open source project they inherited in order to also in the long run do the same to MySQL and possibly also other OpenSource projects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may be a test to see if they get attention for shutting down an open source project they inherited in order to also in the long run do the same to MySQL and possibly also other OpenSource projects.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544726</id>
	<title>Risks and Benefits of OSS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268997180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As much as this is a bummer, it's actually a great example of the OSS model at work.</p><p>If this was a closed source solution, where the company got acquired and the product wasn't strategic, the solution would just be gone.</p><p>With OSS though, another company - for whom the solution <em>is</em> strategic - can step in and pick up the project. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as this is a bummer , it 's actually a great example of the OSS model at work.If this was a closed source solution , where the company got acquired and the product was n't strategic , the solution would just be gone.With OSS though , another company - for whom the solution is strategic - can step in and pick up the project .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as this is a bummer, it's actually a great example of the OSS model at work.If this was a closed source solution, where the company got acquired and the product wasn't strategic, the solution would just be gone.With OSS though, another company - for whom the solution is strategic - can step in and pick up the project. </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544516</id>
	<title>OpenSSO isn't trademarked by Oracle/Sun</title>
	<author>PFAK</author>
	<datestamp>1268996280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenSSO is not a trademark of Oracle/Sun, you can see a list of trademarks for Sun at <a href="http://www.sun.com/suntrademarks/" title="sun.com">http://www.sun.com/suntrademarks/</a> [sun.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenSSO is not a trademark of Oracle/Sun , you can see a list of trademarks for Sun at http : //www.sun.com/suntrademarks/ [ sun.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenSSO is not a trademark of Oracle/Sun, you can see a list of trademarks for Sun at http://www.sun.com/suntrademarks/ [sun.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31547364</id>
	<title>Not strategic?</title>
	<author>Burz</author>
	<datestamp>1269020520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do they want us to go from a situation where SSO in Windows is the standard on LANs, to SSO in Windows to Facebook or Windowslive servers becomes the standard in the Internet?</p><p>Because that is the direction that Microsoft is going in with what was Active Directory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they want us to go from a situation where SSO in Windows is the standard on LANs , to SSO in Windows to Facebook or Windowslive servers becomes the standard in the Internet ? Because that is the direction that Microsoft is going in with what was Active Directory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they want us to go from a situation where SSO in Windows is the standard on LANs, to SSO in Windows to Facebook or Windowslive servers becomes the standard in the Internet?Because that is the direction that Microsoft is going in with what was Active Directory.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544816</id>
	<title>And why do I care?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268997600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What does this OpenSSO do for me that Kerberos doesn't?</p><p>If Oracle wants to do something useful with the Sun assets, they should kill off java. Java is an abomination upon the IT world. I have yet to see a well-written unbloated java app.</p><p>Case in point: RSA rewrote their entire SecurID one-time token server in java. What used to be a fast, nimble application that started within 15 seconds now takes 15 minutes to start. RSA <a href="http://www.rsa.com/node.aspx?id=1170" title="rsa.com" rel="nofollow">recommends</a> [rsa.com] 60 gigs of free space. The <a href="http://www.rsa.com/products/securid/specs/AM\_SysReq.pdf" title="rsa.com" rel="nofollow">previous version</a> [rsa.com] required 200 megabytes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What does this OpenSSO do for me that Kerberos does n't ? If Oracle wants to do something useful with the Sun assets , they should kill off java .
Java is an abomination upon the IT world .
I have yet to see a well-written unbloated java app.Case in point : RSA rewrote their entire SecurID one-time token server in java .
What used to be a fast , nimble application that started within 15 seconds now takes 15 minutes to start .
RSA recommends [ rsa.com ] 60 gigs of free space .
The previous version [ rsa.com ] required 200 megabytes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does this OpenSSO do for me that Kerberos doesn't?If Oracle wants to do something useful with the Sun assets, they should kill off java.
Java is an abomination upon the IT world.
I have yet to see a well-written unbloated java app.Case in point: RSA rewrote their entire SecurID one-time token server in java.
What used to be a fast, nimble application that started within 15 seconds now takes 15 minutes to start.
RSA recommends [rsa.com] 60 gigs of free space.
The previous version [rsa.com] required 200 megabytes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31556318</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way of MySQL too?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269170340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The costs of keeping the code and wiki available are trivial to a large company, yet they removed it.  They aren't just abandoning OpenSSO, they tried to kill it quietly.  It isn't really hard to see why people view the actions as evil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The costs of keeping the code and wiki available are trivial to a large company , yet they removed it .
They are n't just abandoning OpenSSO , they tried to kill it quietly .
It is n't really hard to see why people view the actions as evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The costs of keeping the code and wiki available are trivial to a large company, yet they removed it.
They aren't just abandoning OpenSSO, they tried to kill it quietly.
It isn't really hard to see why people view the actions as evil.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544614</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31551046</id>
	<title>Re:MySQL next?</title>
	<author>newdsfornerds</author>
	<datestamp>1269114540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't there already a non-Snorcle fork of MySQL?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't there already a non-Snorcle fork of MySQL ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't there already a non-Snorcle fork of MySQL?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544730</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544730</id>
	<title>Re:MySQL next?</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1268997240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why so sad? This only proves that you can't kill an open source project; any worthwhile project will have someone else pick up the development, with or without forking it. If Sun attempts to "kill" MySQL, somebody else will pick that up too. Sure, repurposing the paid developers formerly working on the project is a real loss to the project, but not a fatal one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why so sad ?
This only proves that you ca n't kill an open source project ; any worthwhile project will have someone else pick up the development , with or without forking it .
If Sun attempts to " kill " MySQL , somebody else will pick that up too .
Sure , repurposing the paid developers formerly working on the project is a real loss to the project , but not a fatal one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why so sad?
This only proves that you can't kill an open source project; any worthwhile project will have someone else pick up the development, with or without forking it.
If Sun attempts to "kill" MySQL, somebody else will pick that up too.
Sure, repurposing the paid developers formerly working on the project is a real loss to the project, but not a fatal one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544424</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544490</id>
	<title>Proprietary product, anyone?</title>
	<author>Night64</author>
	<datestamp>1268996160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oracle is probably trying to leverage her own Identity Management product against IBM and Novell, who are kings on this market.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oracle is probably trying to leverage her own Identity Management product against IBM and Novell , who are kings on this market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oracle is probably trying to leverage her own Identity Management product against IBM and Novell, who are kings on this market.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31548646</id>
	<title>Yeah sure.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269090360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You see? That is the problem with using your anecdotal eveidence and then making a statemtn based on that like if it was an undeniable fact.</p><p>In any company that is no longer small (I would say 10 people or more) having a password for every single application is simply not practical. Not only that, it is insecure.</p><p>Then what you do is looking for a central authentication solution paired with application configuration to control entitlements (not there is something fun but unsexy for the geeks: an entitlement architecutre to which any application could refer to).</p><p>If you don't do this then the "post-it" password creep becomes a real problem (eletronic password wallets are a band aid, you need a centralized version, hopefully with host authntication, to ensure that only people working in authorized machines can be authenticated).</p><p>The advantages for "Joe Six Pack" in the wider world are obvious, but since most people don't care about losing the password to their Twitter or Facebook accounts, then there is no push for personal computing to use SSO solutions.</p><p>But any complex organiztion is stupid if they are not considering this, that an open solution to this problem is struggling is a very bad thing indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You see ?
That is the problem with using your anecdotal eveidence and then making a statemtn based on that like if it was an undeniable fact.In any company that is no longer small ( I would say 10 people or more ) having a password for every single application is simply not practical .
Not only that , it is insecure.Then what you do is looking for a central authentication solution paired with application configuration to control entitlements ( not there is something fun but unsexy for the geeks : an entitlement architecutre to which any application could refer to ) .If you do n't do this then the " post-it " password creep becomes a real problem ( eletronic password wallets are a band aid , you need a centralized version , hopefully with host authntication , to ensure that only people working in authorized machines can be authenticated ) .The advantages for " Joe Six Pack " in the wider world are obvious , but since most people do n't care about losing the password to their Twitter or Facebook accounts , then there is no push for personal computing to use SSO solutions.But any complex organiztion is stupid if they are not considering this , that an open solution to this problem is struggling is a very bad thing indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You see?
That is the problem with using your anecdotal eveidence and then making a statemtn based on that like if it was an undeniable fact.In any company that is no longer small (I would say 10 people or more) having a password for every single application is simply not practical.
Not only that, it is insecure.Then what you do is looking for a central authentication solution paired with application configuration to control entitlements (not there is something fun but unsexy for the geeks: an entitlement architecutre to which any application could refer to).If you don't do this then the "post-it" password creep becomes a real problem (eletronic password wallets are a band aid, you need a centralized version, hopefully with host authntication, to ensure that only people working in authorized machines can be authenticated).The advantages for "Joe Six Pack" in the wider world are obvious, but since most people don't care about losing the password to their Twitter or Facebook accounts, then there is no push for personal computing to use SSO solutions.But any complex organiztion is stupid if they are not considering this, that an open solution to this problem is struggling is a very bad thing indeed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31545304</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31547774</id>
	<title>Re:The Sun Also Sets</title>
	<author>Eskarel</author>
	<datestamp>1269027300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why because Oracle canned a crappy Single Sign on Product which pretty much only integrated with Sun's other equally shitty server products?</p><p>I love Java and I love the standards which Sun developed to create it, but Sun's implementations of their own standards are pretty shocking. That's a lot of the reason they tanked in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why because Oracle canned a crappy Single Sign on Product which pretty much only integrated with Sun 's other equally shitty server products ? I love Java and I love the standards which Sun developed to create it , but Sun 's implementations of their own standards are pretty shocking .
That 's a lot of the reason they tanked in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why because Oracle canned a crappy Single Sign on Product which pretty much only integrated with Sun's other equally shitty server products?I love Java and I love the standards which Sun developed to create it, but Sun's implementations of their own standards are pretty shocking.
That's a lot of the reason they tanked in the first place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544428</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31546928</id>
	<title>What about Shibboleth?</title>
	<author>graphicartist82</author>
	<datestamp>1269014160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm surprised no one has mentioned Shibboleth. Shib is pretty popular in the higher-ed space. There is a bit of a learning curve when first playing around with it, but once you get it up and going, it's very powerful. It does more than just your average SSO by providing federated authentication across organizations while maintaining user security.

The project page is at <a href="http://shibboleth.internet2.edu/" title="internet2.edu">shibboleth.internet2.edu</a> [internet2.edu]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised no one has mentioned Shibboleth .
Shib is pretty popular in the higher-ed space .
There is a bit of a learning curve when first playing around with it , but once you get it up and going , it 's very powerful .
It does more than just your average SSO by providing federated authentication across organizations while maintaining user security .
The project page is at shibboleth.internet2.edu [ internet2.edu ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised no one has mentioned Shibboleth.
Shib is pretty popular in the higher-ed space.
There is a bit of a learning curve when first playing around with it, but once you get it up and going, it's very powerful.
It does more than just your average SSO by providing federated authentication across organizations while maintaining user security.
The project page is at shibboleth.internet2.edu [internet2.edu]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31549748</id>
	<title>Re:Jasig CAS - OpenSSO Alternative</title>
	<author>Simon (S2)</author>
	<datestamp>1269103200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why not use Jasig CAS instead?</p></div><p>CAS somehow forces an architecture on you. Other IAM proveders like OpenSSO do not, integrating with what you have without forcing you to adapt to what they propose.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not use Jasig CAS instead ? CAS somehow forces an architecture on you .
Other IAM proveders like OpenSSO do not , integrating with what you have without forcing you to adapt to what they propose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not use Jasig CAS instead?CAS somehow forces an architecture on you.
Other IAM proveders like OpenSSO do not, integrating with what you have without forcing you to adapt to what they propose.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31546652</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31549170</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way of MySQL too?</title>
	<author>codegen</author>
	<datestamp>1269096840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My understanding is that OpenID is designed and coded to link public servers. Its not quite as useful for implementing a single sign on service to multiple services within a private organization. For example, openID supports users signing up and creating their own accounts, while in a enterprise system, you want to have  control over creation of accounts, roles and access to resources.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My understanding is that OpenID is designed and coded to link public servers .
Its not quite as useful for implementing a single sign on service to multiple services within a private organization .
For example , openID supports users signing up and creating their own accounts , while in a enterprise system , you want to have control over creation of accounts , roles and access to resources .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My understanding is that OpenID is designed and coded to link public servers.
Its not quite as useful for implementing a single sign on service to multiple services within a private organization.
For example, openID supports users signing up and creating their own accounts, while in a enterprise system, you want to have  control over creation of accounts, roles and access to resources.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31545104</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31547306</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way of MySQL too?</title>
	<author>glwtta</author>
	<datestamp>1269019560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hopefully.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544430</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544582</id>
	<title>SPARC</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1268996520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will see the same fate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will see the same fate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will see the same fate.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544430</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31547824</id>
	<title>unfortunate naming</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269027960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An unfortunate name choice. OpenAM translates to turkish as "Open Vagina"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An unfortunate name choice .
OpenAM translates to turkish as " Open Vagina "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An unfortunate name choice.
OpenAM translates to turkish as "Open Vagina"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31547250</id>
	<title>OpenSSO will continue to live</title>
	<author>pfigura</author>
	<datestamp>1269018420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've actually been involved with the OpenSSO project during the last 2 years or so, and I honestly don't think it will disappear at all. It had a very active and vibrant community which supported it, many of which have already made the jump to help ForgeRock.</p><p>On top of that, OpenSSO/OpenAM already has some terrific features. Its Agent interface is superb, the SAML engine is rock solid, FEDLETs are ahead of their time, and it even had a well documented API for integrating directly into your own application. That's not to say that OpenSSO didn't have room to expand (I found its STS service to be "finicky"), but I expect many of these issues will be addressed by ForgeRock.</p><p>I understand that Oracle already has it's own IAM suite, but I think dropping OpenSSO will be something that they regret.</p><p>OpenSSO is dead. Long live OpenAM!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've actually been involved with the OpenSSO project during the last 2 years or so , and I honestly do n't think it will disappear at all .
It had a very active and vibrant community which supported it , many of which have already made the jump to help ForgeRock.On top of that , OpenSSO/OpenAM already has some terrific features .
Its Agent interface is superb , the SAML engine is rock solid , FEDLETs are ahead of their time , and it even had a well documented API for integrating directly into your own application .
That 's not to say that OpenSSO did n't have room to expand ( I found its STS service to be " finicky " ) , but I expect many of these issues will be addressed by ForgeRock.I understand that Oracle already has it 's own IAM suite , but I think dropping OpenSSO will be something that they regret.OpenSSO is dead .
Long live OpenAM !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've actually been involved with the OpenSSO project during the last 2 years or so, and I honestly don't think it will disappear at all.
It had a very active and vibrant community which supported it, many of which have already made the jump to help ForgeRock.On top of that, OpenSSO/OpenAM already has some terrific features.
Its Agent interface is superb, the SAML engine is rock solid, FEDLETs are ahead of their time, and it even had a well documented API for integrating directly into your own application.
That's not to say that OpenSSO didn't have room to expand (I found its STS service to be "finicky"), but I expect many of these issues will be addressed by ForgeRock.I understand that Oracle already has it's own IAM suite, but I think dropping OpenSSO will be something that they regret.OpenSSO is dead.
Long live OpenAM!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31545568</id>
	<title>Love it.</title>
	<author>toriver</author>
	<datestamp>1269002100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>- Hi we are Sun and we have this portal. You want to buy a commercial license for it?<br>*buys*<br>*six months pass*<br>- Oh hi we decided to drop that portal and switch to this Liferay-based Webspace solution none of our techs really know anything much about?<br>*grumble*<br>*a year passes*<br>- Oh hi again, we were just bought by Oracle and will be abandoning Webspace, would you like to switch to this WebLogic-based monstrosity instead?<br>*curses*</p><p>That is in addition to the OpenSSO/IDM kerfuffle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>- Hi we are Sun and we have this portal .
You want to buy a commercial license for it ?
* buys * * six months pass * - Oh hi we decided to drop that portal and switch to this Liferay-based Webspace solution none of our techs really know anything much about ?
* grumble * * a year passes * - Oh hi again , we were just bought by Oracle and will be abandoning Webspace , would you like to switch to this WebLogic-based monstrosity instead ?
* curses * That is in addition to the OpenSSO/IDM kerfuffle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- Hi we are Sun and we have this portal.
You want to buy a commercial license for it?
*buys**six months pass*- Oh hi we decided to drop that portal and switch to this Liferay-based Webspace solution none of our techs really know anything much about?
*grumble**a year passes*- Oh hi again, we were just bought by Oracle and will be abandoning Webspace, would you like to switch to this WebLogic-based monstrosity instead?
*curses*That is in addition to the OpenSSO/IDM kerfuffle.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31546784</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way of MySQL too?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269012840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least there's still <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenID" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">OpenID</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least there 's still OpenID [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least there's still OpenID [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544614</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544424</id>
	<title>MySQL next?</title>
	<author>Bearhouse</author>
	<datestamp>1268995860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sadly, probably yes...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly , probably yes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly, probably yes...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31548322</id>
	<title>Re:MySQL next?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269082680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sadly?  Perhaps it'll force people to use a proper database like Access or SQL Server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly ?
Perhaps it 'll force people to use a proper database like Access or SQL Server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly?
Perhaps it'll force people to use a proper database like Access or SQL Server.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544424</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31545104</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way of MySQL too?</title>
	<author>DMUTPeregrine</author>
	<datestamp>1268999040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is the first time I've heard of OpenSSO. Now, I'm not a web developer, but isn't OpenID much more popular as a SSO service?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the first time I 've heard of OpenSSO .
Now , I 'm not a web developer , but is n't OpenID much more popular as a SSO service ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the first time I've heard of OpenSSO.
Now, I'm not a web developer, but isn't OpenID much more popular as a SSO service?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544614</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31546652</id>
	<title>Jasig CAS - OpenSSO Alternative</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269011520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why not use Jasig CAS instead?  Not that it will be any consolation that Oracle is trying to profit off its expensive SSO solution, but CAS is easy to implement with a Java and Ruby version available, and hundreds of universities are using them. We're a private business and we use CAS easily with phpCAS and RubyCAS-client. It's easy to use and implement, and systems such as PeopleSoft can easily be CASified. While it's sad OpenSSO is being discontinued, CAS is not an option likely to disappear any time soon. We strong recommend those considering replacing their OpenSSO system to move to CAS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not use Jasig CAS instead ?
Not that it will be any consolation that Oracle is trying to profit off its expensive SSO solution , but CAS is easy to implement with a Java and Ruby version available , and hundreds of universities are using them .
We 're a private business and we use CAS easily with phpCAS and RubyCAS-client .
It 's easy to use and implement , and systems such as PeopleSoft can easily be CASified .
While it 's sad OpenSSO is being discontinued , CAS is not an option likely to disappear any time soon .
We strong recommend those considering replacing their OpenSSO system to move to CAS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not use Jasig CAS instead?
Not that it will be any consolation that Oracle is trying to profit off its expensive SSO solution, but CAS is easy to implement with a Java and Ruby version available, and hundreds of universities are using them.
We're a private business and we use CAS easily with phpCAS and RubyCAS-client.
It's easy to use and implement, and systems such as PeopleSoft can easily be CASified.
While it's sad OpenSSO is being discontinued, CAS is not an option likely to disappear any time soon.
We strong recommend those considering replacing their OpenSSO system to move to CAS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544498</id>
	<title>OSS FTW...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268996220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>because it was OSS, it can be forked and survive.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>because it was OSS , it can be forked and survive .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because it was OSS, it can be forked and survive.
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544788</id>
	<title>Good for them</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1268997480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SSO is a pretty backwards way to do Open Source Software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SSO is a pretty backwards way to do Open Source Software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SSO is a pretty backwards way to do Open Source Software.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544614</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way of MySQL too?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268996640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or it could be that no one actually gave a shit about OpenSSO outside a very small group of people.</p><p>Its funny that everyone assume Oracle is being evil when a simple bit of common sense makes it pretty clear that its a waste of resources from pretty much every perspective to Oracle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or it could be that no one actually gave a shit about OpenSSO outside a very small group of people.Its funny that everyone assume Oracle is being evil when a simple bit of common sense makes it pretty clear that its a waste of resources from pretty much every perspective to Oracle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or it could be that no one actually gave a shit about OpenSSO outside a very small group of people.Its funny that everyone assume Oracle is being evil when a simple bit of common sense makes it pretty clear that its a waste of resources from pretty much every perspective to Oracle.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544430</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31549850</id>
	<title>I'm sorry, what?</title>
	<author>Rysc</author>
	<datestamp>1269104460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do I need to care about this at all?</p><p>I understand the value of SSO and all that stuff, but I can't say I'm an expert in the field. Can someone who knows something about SSO and OpenSSO give me an idea as to whether or not I should even care that OpenSSO has been killed?</p><p>Was it especially novel? Was it used by anybody? Did it work well? How does it compare to other, similar solutions? *Do we, the open source community, need this?*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do I need to care about this at all ? I understand the value of SSO and all that stuff , but I ca n't say I 'm an expert in the field .
Can someone who knows something about SSO and OpenSSO give me an idea as to whether or not I should even care that OpenSSO has been killed ? Was it especially novel ?
Was it used by anybody ?
Did it work well ?
How does it compare to other , similar solutions ?
* Do we , the open source community , need this ?
*</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do I need to care about this at all?I understand the value of SSO and all that stuff, but I can't say I'm an expert in the field.
Can someone who knows something about SSO and OpenSSO give me an idea as to whether or not I should even care that OpenSSO has been killed?Was it especially novel?
Was it used by anybody?
Did it work well?
How does it compare to other, similar solutions?
*Do we, the open source community, need this?
*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31545312</id>
	<title>Code still accessible from the CVS</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1269000180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you want the source you can get the info to obtain it from here <a href="http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSSO/CVS+Tags" title="sun.com">http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSSO/CVS+Tags</a> [sun.com]
<br> <br>
I'm grabbing the source now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want the source you can get the info to obtain it from here http : //wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSSO/CVS + Tags [ sun.com ] I 'm grabbing the source now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want the source you can get the info to obtain it from here http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSSO/CVS+Tags [sun.com]
 
I'm grabbing the source now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31546170</id>
	<title>Re:MySQL next?</title>
	<author>BBTaeKwonDo</author>
	<datestamp>1269006180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/042364" title="oracle.com" rel="nofollow">Thankfully, not</a> [oracle.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thankfully , not [ oracle.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thankfully, not [oracle.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544424</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31556186</id>
	<title>categories, regions and languages</title>
	<author>andreimarceanu</author>
	<datestamp>1269168660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most of the directories are very general in scope and list websites across a wide range of categories, regions and languages. But there are also some niche directories which focus on restricted regions, single languages, or specialist sectors. One type of niche directory with a large number of sites in existence, is the shopping directory for example. Shopping directories specialize in the listing of retail e-commerce sites.
Examples of well known, general, web directories are Yahoo! Directory and the Open Directory Project (ODP). ODP is significant due to its extensive categorization and large number of listings and its free availability for use by other directories and search engines.
However, a debate over the quality of directories and databases still continues, as search engines use ODP's content without real integration, and some experiment using clustering. There have been many attempts to make directory development easier, such as using automated submission of related links by script, or any number of available PHP portals and programs. Recently, social software techniques have spawned new efforts of categorization, with adding tagging to their product pages.
Directories have various features in listing, often depend upon the price paid for inclusion:
Some web directory have : 23$ featured link or 12 $ regular link for life time ex: <a href="http://www.microsoftcompany.com/" title="microsoftcompany.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoftcompany.com/</a> [microsoftcompany.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the directories are very general in scope and list websites across a wide range of categories , regions and languages .
But there are also some niche directories which focus on restricted regions , single languages , or specialist sectors .
One type of niche directory with a large number of sites in existence , is the shopping directory for example .
Shopping directories specialize in the listing of retail e-commerce sites .
Examples of well known , general , web directories are Yahoo !
Directory and the Open Directory Project ( ODP ) .
ODP is significant due to its extensive categorization and large number of listings and its free availability for use by other directories and search engines .
However , a debate over the quality of directories and databases still continues , as search engines use ODP 's content without real integration , and some experiment using clustering .
There have been many attempts to make directory development easier , such as using automated submission of related links by script , or any number of available PHP portals and programs .
Recently , social software techniques have spawned new efforts of categorization , with adding tagging to their product pages .
Directories have various features in listing , often depend upon the price paid for inclusion : Some web directory have : 23 $ featured link or 12 $ regular link for life time ex : http : //www.microsoftcompany.com/ [ microsoftcompany.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the directories are very general in scope and list websites across a wide range of categories, regions and languages.
But there are also some niche directories which focus on restricted regions, single languages, or specialist sectors.
One type of niche directory with a large number of sites in existence, is the shopping directory for example.
Shopping directories specialize in the listing of retail e-commerce sites.
Examples of well known, general, web directories are Yahoo!
Directory and the Open Directory Project (ODP).
ODP is significant due to its extensive categorization and large number of listings and its free availability for use by other directories and search engines.
However, a debate over the quality of directories and databases still continues, as search engines use ODP's content without real integration, and some experiment using clustering.
There have been many attempts to make directory development easier, such as using automated submission of related links by script, or any number of available PHP portals and programs.
Recently, social software techniques have spawned new efforts of categorization, with adding tagging to their product pages.
Directories have various features in listing, often depend upon the price paid for inclusion:
Some web directory have : 23$ featured link or 12 $ regular link for life time ex: http://www.microsoftcompany.com/ [microsoftcompany.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544642</id>
	<title>Re:shuttering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268996820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You keep using that word .
I do not think it means what you think it means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544424</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31547500</id>
	<title>Oracle</title>
	<author>arrinam</author>
	<datestamp>1269023220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm new to Oracle and working in SQL plus. There are several old views that were created before my time.
<a href="http://topgradeacaiextreme.net/" title="topgradeacaiextreme.net" rel="nofollow">Top Grade Acai Extreme</a> [topgradeacaiextreme.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm new to Oracle and working in SQL plus .
There are several old views that were created before my time .
Top Grade Acai Extreme [ topgradeacaiextreme.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm new to Oracle and working in SQL plus.
There are several old views that were created before my time.
Top Grade Acai Extreme [topgradeacaiextreme.net]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31571544</id>
	<title>OAM/Core Id is the reason</title>
	<author>jedilowe</author>
	<datestamp>1269282060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oracle has another tool for SSO, used to be called Core Id and changed to Oracle Access Manager.  It is kind of a crappy product, but does work OK.  It has a terrible interface, poor deployment model, and terrible integration to app servers, but otherwise works well.

I am betting this more than anything is why they are killing open sso.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oracle has another tool for SSO , used to be called Core Id and changed to Oracle Access Manager .
It is kind of a crappy product , but does work OK. It has a terrible interface , poor deployment model , and terrible integration to app servers , but otherwise works well .
I am betting this more than anything is why they are killing open sso .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oracle has another tool for SSO, used to be called Core Id and changed to Oracle Access Manager.
It is kind of a crappy product, but does work OK.  It has a terrible interface, poor deployment model, and terrible integration to app servers, but otherwise works well.
I am betting this more than anything is why they are killing open sso.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31545666</id>
	<title>Is this the beginning of the end?</title>
	<author>boer lee</author>
	<datestamp>1269002700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another somewhat related open-source project has had no commits since January 25 <a href="http://www.opends.org/source/xref/trunk/" title="opends.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.opends.org/source/xref/trunk/</a> [opends.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another somewhat related open-source project has had no commits since January 25 http : //www.opends.org/source/xref/trunk/ [ opends.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another somewhat related open-source project has had no commits since January 25 http://www.opends.org/source/xref/trunk/ [opends.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544842</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way of MySQL too?</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1268997780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reality check: Nobody buys a company and just carries on because unless it was really mispriced in the market, you've gained nothing. You might as well have put the money in a stock fund. In closed source companies this means projects get canceled, reprioritized, product portfolios are aligned and they search high and low for the claimed synergies they were supposed to get. What happens in open source companies? <b>Exactly this same</b>. There's been quite a few of these stories now and they're all full of trivial projects and tin foil hat conspiracy. I just checked Digg and THEY got better stories than this. I'm quite the geek but still... stuff that matters. Or is at least cool, interesting or funny in a nerdy way. But not "Minor corporate politics" for 100$, I'll pass Alex.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reality check : Nobody buys a company and just carries on because unless it was really mispriced in the market , you 've gained nothing .
You might as well have put the money in a stock fund .
In closed source companies this means projects get canceled , reprioritized , product portfolios are aligned and they search high and low for the claimed synergies they were supposed to get .
What happens in open source companies ?
Exactly this same .
There 's been quite a few of these stories now and they 're all full of trivial projects and tin foil hat conspiracy .
I just checked Digg and THEY got better stories than this .
I 'm quite the geek but still... stuff that matters .
Or is at least cool , interesting or funny in a nerdy way .
But not " Minor corporate politics " for 100 $ , I 'll pass Alex .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reality check: Nobody buys a company and just carries on because unless it was really mispriced in the market, you've gained nothing.
You might as well have put the money in a stock fund.
In closed source companies this means projects get canceled, reprioritized, product portfolios are aligned and they search high and low for the claimed synergies they were supposed to get.
What happens in open source companies?
Exactly this same.
There's been quite a few of these stories now and they're all full of trivial projects and tin foil hat conspiracy.
I just checked Digg and THEY got better stories than this.
I'm quite the geek but still... stuff that matters.
Or is at least cool, interesting or funny in a nerdy way.
But not "Minor corporate politics" for 100$, I'll pass Alex.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544430</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31546062</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way of MySQL too?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269005220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are clearly unqualified to comment on the significance of OpenSSO in the federated identity management marketplace.  This is a hugely important nascent market, and Oracle's decision to shutter OpenSSO has nothing to do with OpenSSO's insignificance - quite the contrary.  Buying Sun in order to eliminate such competition was very much one of Oracle's primary considerations, and you are either completely ignorant or intentionally misrepresenting the facts for your own ulterior motives to say something so completely off-base.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are clearly unqualified to comment on the significance of OpenSSO in the federated identity management marketplace .
This is a hugely important nascent market , and Oracle 's decision to shutter OpenSSO has nothing to do with OpenSSO 's insignificance - quite the contrary .
Buying Sun in order to eliminate such competition was very much one of Oracle 's primary considerations , and you are either completely ignorant or intentionally misrepresenting the facts for your own ulterior motives to say something so completely off-base .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are clearly unqualified to comment on the significance of OpenSSO in the federated identity management marketplace.
This is a hugely important nascent market, and Oracle's decision to shutter OpenSSO has nothing to do with OpenSSO's insignificance - quite the contrary.
Buying Sun in order to eliminate such competition was very much one of Oracle's primary considerations, and you are either completely ignorant or intentionally misrepresenting the facts for your own ulterior motives to say something so completely off-base.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544614</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544786</id>
	<title>Re:This is the way of MySQL too?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268997480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a Snorkel employee (Sun-&gt;Oracle) I'll add a simple comment.  If it isn't profitable or strategic, it will be shuttered or turned loose to the community to support.  It is *as simple as that*.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Snorkel employee ( Sun- &gt; Oracle ) I 'll add a simple comment .
If it is n't profitable or strategic , it will be shuttered or turned loose to the community to support .
It is * as simple as that * .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Snorkel employee (Sun-&gt;Oracle) I'll add a simple comment.
If it isn't profitable or strategic, it will be shuttered or turned loose to the community to support.
It is *as simple as that*.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544430</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544812</id>
	<title>Re:MySQL next?</title>
	<author>seebs</author>
	<datestamp>1268997600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gee, if only we had PostgreSQL doing just fine as an alternative, then I wouldn't mind so much if MySQL went away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gee , if only we had PostgreSQL doing just fine as an alternative , then I would n't mind so much if MySQL went away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gee, if only we had PostgreSQL doing just fine as an alternative, then I wouldn't mind so much if MySQL went away.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544424</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544598</id>
	<title>OpenAM?</title>
	<author>nycguy</author>
	<datestamp>1268996580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't FOSSSSO so much more appealing?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't FOSSSSO so much more appealing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't FOSSSSO so much more appealing?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31548618</id>
	<title>Apache licensed alternative: WSO2 Identity Server</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269089880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WSO2 has an Apache licensed identity and entitlement server that includes SSO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WSO2 has an Apache licensed identity and entitlement server that includes SSO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WSO2 has an Apache licensed identity and entitlement server that includes SSO.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31545192</id>
	<title>Ironic</title>
	<author>ritzer</author>
	<datestamp>1268999460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This has got to be the height of irony.  Lamenting, a commercial entity is dropping a project that doesn't make money...  But, isn't the beauty of open source related to the fact that those who care, can pick up the source and make it work?  So, prove it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This has got to be the height of irony .
Lamenting , a commercial entity is dropping a project that does n't make money... But , is n't the beauty of open source related to the fact that those who care , can pick up the source and make it work ?
So , prove it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has got to be the height of irony.
Lamenting, a commercial entity is dropping a project that doesn't make money...  But, isn't the beauty of open source related to the fact that those who care, can pick up the source and make it work?
So, prove it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1945205.31544550</id>
	<title>mo3 Up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268996340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>best. Individuals fucking market part of GNAA if else up their asses percent 0f the *BSD We'll be able to</htmltext>
<tokenext>best .
Individuals fucking market part of GNAA if else up their asses percent 0f the * BSD We 'll be able to</tokentext>
<sentencetext>best.
Individuals fucking market part of GNAA if else up their asses percent 0f the *BSD We'll be able to</sentencetext>
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