<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_19_1521241</id>
	<title>$99 Moby Tablet As Textbook Alternative</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1269019140000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Taco Cowboy writes <i>"Marvell's Moby tablet will be an <a href="http://armdevices.net/2010/03/18/marvell-announces-99-moby-tablet-to-revolutionize-education/">always-on, high performance multimedia tablet</a> capable of full Flash support and 1080p HD playback and supporting WiFi, Bluetooth, FM radio, GPS and both Android and Windows Mobile platforms for maximum flexibility. It could eliminate the need for students to buy and carry bound textbooks and an array of other tools. The tablet is expected to hold a full year's worth of books but weigh less than half of one typical textbook."</i> The tablet is a bit vaporous at this point, but if the final device comes anywhere near these specs and price point, it could be attractive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Taco Cowboy writes " Marvell 's Moby tablet will be an always-on , high performance multimedia tablet capable of full Flash support and 1080p HD playback and supporting WiFi , Bluetooth , FM radio , GPS and both Android and Windows Mobile platforms for maximum flexibility .
It could eliminate the need for students to buy and carry bound textbooks and an array of other tools .
The tablet is expected to hold a full year 's worth of books but weigh less than half of one typical textbook .
" The tablet is a bit vaporous at this point , but if the final device comes anywhere near these specs and price point , it could be attractive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taco Cowboy writes "Marvell's Moby tablet will be an always-on, high performance multimedia tablet capable of full Flash support and 1080p HD playback and supporting WiFi, Bluetooth, FM radio, GPS and both Android and Windows Mobile platforms for maximum flexibility.
It could eliminate the need for students to buy and carry bound textbooks and an array of other tools.
The tablet is expected to hold a full year's worth of books but weigh less than half of one typical textbook.
" The tablet is a bit vaporous at this point, but if the final device comes anywhere near these specs and price point, it could be attractive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542074</id>
	<title>Pixel Qi LCD = e-ink</title>
	<author>Charbax</author>
	<datestamp>1269028920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Check out the Pixel Qi LCD screen technology, provide e-ink quality ereading and very low power consumption when turning off the backlight, and you can turn on the backlight to get the full color qualities of regular LCD screens as well when you want to browse the Internet or watch some movies. All on the same screen: <a href="http://armdevices.net/2010/01/08/charbax-tests-pixel-qi-at-ces-2010/" title="armdevices.net">http://armdevices.net/2010/01/08/charbax-tests-pixel-qi-at-ces-2010/</a> [armdevices.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out the Pixel Qi LCD screen technology , provide e-ink quality ereading and very low power consumption when turning off the backlight , and you can turn on the backlight to get the full color qualities of regular LCD screens as well when you want to browse the Internet or watch some movies .
All on the same screen : http : //armdevices.net/2010/01/08/charbax-tests-pixel-qi-at-ces-2010/ [ armdevices.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out the Pixel Qi LCD screen technology, provide e-ink quality ereading and very low power consumption when turning off the backlight, and you can turn on the backlight to get the full color qualities of regular LCD screens as well when you want to browse the Internet or watch some movies.
All on the same screen: http://armdevices.net/2010/01/08/charbax-tests-pixel-qi-at-ces-2010/ [armdevices.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541226</id>
	<title>Jetbook Lite for $129 already available</title>
	<author>walterbyrd</author>
	<datestamp>1269025200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suppose this could used for textbooks?</p><p><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858723010&amp;Tpk=ectaco\%20jetbook\%20lite" title="newegg.com">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858723010&amp;Tpk=ectaco\%20jetbook\%20lite</a> [newegg.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose this could used for textbooks ? http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx ? Item = N82E16858723010&amp;Tpk = ectaco \ % 20jetbook \ % 20lite [ newegg.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose this could used for textbooks?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858723010&amp;Tpk=ectaco\%20jetbook\%20lite [newegg.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540716</id>
	<title>Let me guess</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1269023340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's also going to be bundled with Duke Nukem Forever?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also going to be bundled with Duke Nukem Forever ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also going to be bundled with Duke Nukem Forever?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541048</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269024600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Technology x is old and busted. Technology y is new and exciting. Never mind that technology x can do everything technology y can do. Marketing can't sell technology x anymore, so we'll only support technology y.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Technology x is old and busted .
Technology y is new and exciting .
Never mind that technology x can do everything technology y can do .
Marketing ca n't sell technology x anymore , so we 'll only support technology y .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Technology x is old and busted.
Technology y is new and exciting.
Never mind that technology x can do everything technology y can do.
Marketing can't sell technology x anymore, so we'll only support technology y.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540596</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542532</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269031080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I intend to use both x and y. The question is why not use data format q that works on x now <em>and</em> can work on y later?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I intend to use both x and y. The question is why not use data format q that works on x now and can work on y later ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I intend to use both x and y. The question is why not use data format q that works on x now and can work on y later?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541706</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542420</id>
	<title>Re:Economy of Scale</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1269030600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nokia ? RIM ? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Smartphone\_share\_2009\_full.png" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Smartphone\_share\_2009\_full.png</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia ?
RIM ?
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File : Smartphone \ _share \ _2009 \ _full.png [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia ?
RIM ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Smartphone\_share\_2009\_full.png [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541148</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541940</id>
	<title>They are showing working prototypes</title>
	<author>Charbax</author>
	<datestamp>1269028380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Check the link, there is a picture of a working prototype at 10" and even a video of a working prototype with a 4.3" screen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Check the link , there is a picture of a working prototype at 10 " and even a video of a working prototype with a 4.3 " screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check the link, there is a picture of a working prototype at 10" and even a video of a working prototype with a 4.3" screen.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540806</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541018</id>
	<title>Unlikely to be anytime soon</title>
	<author>Zerth</author>
	<datestamp>1269024480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering Marvell already produces devices with similar specs at that price point, but no battery and no screen, it's unlikely they are going to be able to meet that price point.</p><p>Now if they said that was the bill of materials, I'd almost believe it.  But still not with a Pixel Qi screen, which the article speculates but is not mentioned by Marvell at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering Marvell already produces devices with similar specs at that price point , but no battery and no screen , it 's unlikely they are going to be able to meet that price point.Now if they said that was the bill of materials , I 'd almost believe it .
But still not with a Pixel Qi screen , which the article speculates but is not mentioned by Marvell at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering Marvell already produces devices with similar specs at that price point, but no battery and no screen, it's unlikely they are going to be able to meet that price point.Now if they said that was the bill of materials, I'd almost believe it.
But still not with a Pixel Qi screen, which the article speculates but is not mentioned by Marvell at all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31543210</id>
	<title>Re:Attractive, 'cept the tightest DRM lockdown EVA</title>
	<author>Digicaf</author>
	<datestamp>1268990820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dead on. College textbook publishers are easily the most evil group of people around. 400 bucks a semester for books that are designed to be obsolete by the end of the semester...</p><p>I'd rather call my utility company twice a day (7 levels of phone menu, 30 minute hold times, 13 digit account number) for the rest of my life than deal with that crap again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dead on .
College textbook publishers are easily the most evil group of people around .
400 bucks a semester for books that are designed to be obsolete by the end of the semester...I 'd rather call my utility company twice a day ( 7 levels of phone menu , 30 minute hold times , 13 digit account number ) for the rest of my life than deal with that crap again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dead on.
College textbook publishers are easily the most evil group of people around.
400 bucks a semester for books that are designed to be obsolete by the end of the semester...I'd rather call my utility company twice a day (7 levels of phone menu, 30 minute hold times, 13 digit account number) for the rest of my life than deal with that crap again.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540842</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542328</id>
	<title>Re:PR releases for non-existent products != news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269030060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not a regular commenter, but kdawson's posts are RIDICULOUS. Does slashdot have a way of modding an editor down? I'm not familiar with the modding system or the slashdot eco system, and I'm not trying to troll, but a few others share the same view about kdawson - if it turns out that we're a majority, will kdawson be stripped of the permission to post articles?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a regular commenter , but kdawson 's posts are RIDICULOUS .
Does slashdot have a way of modding an editor down ?
I 'm not familiar with the modding system or the slashdot eco system , and I 'm not trying to troll , but a few others share the same view about kdawson - if it turns out that we 're a majority , will kdawson be stripped of the permission to post articles ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a regular commenter, but kdawson's posts are RIDICULOUS.
Does slashdot have a way of modding an editor down?
I'm not familiar with the modding system or the slashdot eco system, and I'm not trying to troll, but a few others share the same view about kdawson - if it turns out that we're a majority, will kdawson be stripped of the permission to post articles?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540806</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540734</id>
	<title>Dross</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269023400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I involuntarily read the comments below TFA and now I want to scratch my eyes out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I involuntarily read the comments below TFA and now I want to scratch my eyes out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I involuntarily read the comments below TFA and now I want to scratch my eyes out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541496</id>
	<title>Re:Attractive, 'cept the tightest DRM lockdown EVA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269026460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice buzzword usage, but see, I actually WORK at a University Press, and we make textbooks. And we're doing pdfs for the majority of our ebooks.</p><p>The *real* reason that textbook publishers don't make more ebooks is much less sinister:</p><p>There's no universal standard for ebooks. It costs money to get something converted to a format and checked for errors, and you don't want to fragment your efforts too much, so out of the several dozen implementations of ebook formats, you pick one or two, then you pick which version of THAT you want to support, and you try and learn about them. And since it takes two years or more just to make a textbook, by the time you've got a format learned sufficiently to get it in to your workflow, you've still got a two year lag before books start showing up in that format.</p><p>But oh hey! In the meantime, the standard shifted. So you're back to trying to learn the standard and get that merged in to your workflow. You think the RIAA and MPAA handled the change in the technology of their field badly? Books have been printed basically the same for centuries, not decades. Since the printing press, there's not been many advances that effect publishing. The offset printing press, and use of computers to do layout and editing. No, seriously, that's about it. Books are long enough that few people wanted to have to sit and stare at a screen for hours on end, so they never had to worry about digital distribution until laptops became common, and even then, people still didn't want to read things hundreds of pages long on a screen. It's only been in about the last 10 years or so that it's even been mentioned, and it wasn't anything close to a viable idea until the kindle came out in 2007. And remember what I said about textbooks taking at least 2 years to get through the publishing process?</p><p>No, you'll start seeing textbooks for e-readers when the formats are more stable. Until then, you'll get most publishers playing it safe and not wasting their cash on converting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice buzzword usage , but see , I actually WORK at a University Press , and we make textbooks .
And we 're doing pdfs for the majority of our ebooks.The * real * reason that textbook publishers do n't make more ebooks is much less sinister : There 's no universal standard for ebooks .
It costs money to get something converted to a format and checked for errors , and you do n't want to fragment your efforts too much , so out of the several dozen implementations of ebook formats , you pick one or two , then you pick which version of THAT you want to support , and you try and learn about them .
And since it takes two years or more just to make a textbook , by the time you 've got a format learned sufficiently to get it in to your workflow , you 've still got a two year lag before books start showing up in that format.But oh hey !
In the meantime , the standard shifted .
So you 're back to trying to learn the standard and get that merged in to your workflow .
You think the RIAA and MPAA handled the change in the technology of their field badly ?
Books have been printed basically the same for centuries , not decades .
Since the printing press , there 's not been many advances that effect publishing .
The offset printing press , and use of computers to do layout and editing .
No , seriously , that 's about it .
Books are long enough that few people wanted to have to sit and stare at a screen for hours on end , so they never had to worry about digital distribution until laptops became common , and even then , people still did n't want to read things hundreds of pages long on a screen .
It 's only been in about the last 10 years or so that it 's even been mentioned , and it was n't anything close to a viable idea until the kindle came out in 2007 .
And remember what I said about textbooks taking at least 2 years to get through the publishing process ? No , you 'll start seeing textbooks for e-readers when the formats are more stable .
Until then , you 'll get most publishers playing it safe and not wasting their cash on converting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice buzzword usage, but see, I actually WORK at a University Press, and we make textbooks.
And we're doing pdfs for the majority of our ebooks.The *real* reason that textbook publishers don't make more ebooks is much less sinister:There's no universal standard for ebooks.
It costs money to get something converted to a format and checked for errors, and you don't want to fragment your efforts too much, so out of the several dozen implementations of ebook formats, you pick one or two, then you pick which version of THAT you want to support, and you try and learn about them.
And since it takes two years or more just to make a textbook, by the time you've got a format learned sufficiently to get it in to your workflow, you've still got a two year lag before books start showing up in that format.But oh hey!
In the meantime, the standard shifted.
So you're back to trying to learn the standard and get that merged in to your workflow.
You think the RIAA and MPAA handled the change in the technology of their field badly?
Books have been printed basically the same for centuries, not decades.
Since the printing press, there's not been many advances that effect publishing.
The offset printing press, and use of computers to do layout and editing.
No, seriously, that's about it.
Books are long enough that few people wanted to have to sit and stare at a screen for hours on end, so they never had to worry about digital distribution until laptops became common, and even then, people still didn't want to read things hundreds of pages long on a screen.
It's only been in about the last 10 years or so that it's even been mentioned, and it wasn't anything close to a viable idea until the kindle came out in 2007.
And remember what I said about textbooks taking at least 2 years to get through the publishing process?No, you'll start seeing textbooks for e-readers when the formats are more stable.
Until then, you'll get most publishers playing it safe and not wasting their cash on converting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540842</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541942</id>
	<title>OMGPONIES!!!</title>
	<author>Fishbulb</author>
	<datestamp>1269028380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will also butter your muffin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will also butter your muffin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will also butter your muffin.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542236</id>
	<title>Re:Has anyone used a Pixel Qi screen to read a boo</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1269029580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this is pure vaporware, but pixel qi's screens aren't: <a href="http://www.pixelqi.com/products" title="pixelqi.com">http://www.pixelqi.com/products</a> [pixelqi.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is pure vaporware , but pixel qi 's screens are n't : http : //www.pixelqi.com/products [ pixelqi.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is pure vaporware, but pixel qi's screens aren't: http://www.pixelqi.com/products [pixelqi.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31546304</id>
	<title>Re:Attractive, 'cept the tightest DRM lockdown EVA</title>
	<author>lucian1900</author>
	<datestamp>1269007380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>epub</htmltext>
<tokenext>epub</tokentext>
<sentencetext>epub</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540714</id>
	<title>Good deal!</title>
	<author>Drakkenmensch</author>
	<datestamp>1269023340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Launch package deal comes bundled with Duke Nukem Forever and Optimus Maximus keyboard support.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Launch package deal comes bundled with Duke Nukem Forever and Optimus Maximus keyboard support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Launch package deal comes bundled with Duke Nukem Forever and Optimus Maximus keyboard support.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541000</id>
	<title>You're not the only one!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269024420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Me too! I had been keeping an eye out for ARM based "smartbooks" etc. for several months. Lots of reference designs, lots of demos at CES. No one ever brought anything decent to retail stores. I heard HP was releasing something in Spain. Lenovo is supposed to be releasing something in the US later this year.</p><p>I wanted something around a $200 price with decent battery life, capable of running Linux. I wanted ARM, too, because I didn't want to buy a machine that came with Windows only to wipe it. After months of waiting, I gave up.</p><p>A few weeks ago I purchased a used Acer Aspire One, along with a high capacity battery. Total price, including shipping and taxes for all items, was less than $200. The machine had originally come with Windows, but was sold without any OS installed. I put Ubuntu Netbook Remix on it, and I'm quite happy with it.</p><p>I'm now out of the market for one of these many rumored ARM-based devices... no one has any decent offerings (and no, the Touchbook is not what I would consider a decent, consumer-oriented offering, and they're not even in stock AFAICT), so I gave up. Also, $99 for this Moby Tablet? Yeah, right. Maybe the bill of materials is $99, but I doubt even that. This thing stinks badly of being vaporware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Me too !
I had been keeping an eye out for ARM based " smartbooks " etc .
for several months .
Lots of reference designs , lots of demos at CES .
No one ever brought anything decent to retail stores .
I heard HP was releasing something in Spain .
Lenovo is supposed to be releasing something in the US later this year.I wanted something around a $ 200 price with decent battery life , capable of running Linux .
I wanted ARM , too , because I did n't want to buy a machine that came with Windows only to wipe it .
After months of waiting , I gave up.A few weeks ago I purchased a used Acer Aspire One , along with a high capacity battery .
Total price , including shipping and taxes for all items , was less than $ 200 .
The machine had originally come with Windows , but was sold without any OS installed .
I put Ubuntu Netbook Remix on it , and I 'm quite happy with it.I 'm now out of the market for one of these many rumored ARM-based devices... no one has any decent offerings ( and no , the Touchbook is not what I would consider a decent , consumer-oriented offering , and they 're not even in stock AFAICT ) , so I gave up .
Also , $ 99 for this Moby Tablet ?
Yeah , right .
Maybe the bill of materials is $ 99 , but I doubt even that .
This thing stinks badly of being vaporware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Me too!
I had been keeping an eye out for ARM based "smartbooks" etc.
for several months.
Lots of reference designs, lots of demos at CES.
No one ever brought anything decent to retail stores.
I heard HP was releasing something in Spain.
Lenovo is supposed to be releasing something in the US later this year.I wanted something around a $200 price with decent battery life, capable of running Linux.
I wanted ARM, too, because I didn't want to buy a machine that came with Windows only to wipe it.
After months of waiting, I gave up.A few weeks ago I purchased a used Acer Aspire One, along with a high capacity battery.
Total price, including shipping and taxes for all items, was less than $200.
The machine had originally come with Windows, but was sold without any OS installed.
I put Ubuntu Netbook Remix on it, and I'm quite happy with it.I'm now out of the market for one of these many rumored ARM-based devices... no one has any decent offerings (and no, the Touchbook is not what I would consider a decent, consumer-oriented offering, and they're not even in stock AFAICT), so I gave up.
Also, $99 for this Moby Tablet?
Yeah, right.
Maybe the bill of materials is $99, but I doubt even that.
This thing stinks badly of being vaporware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540682</id>
	<title>Marvel?</title>
	<author>camperdave</author>
	<datestamp>1269023220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, is DC coming out with one as well?  A Dark Knight themed tablet would be cool.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , is DC coming out with one as well ?
A Dark Knight themed tablet would be cool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, is DC coming out with one as well?
A Dark Knight themed tablet would be cool.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542898</id>
	<title>Sniff, sniff</title>
	<author>pubwvj</author>
	<datestamp>1268989560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sniff, sniff... what's that I smell? Not even vaporware. Anyone can announce anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sniff , sniff... what 's that I smell ?
Not even vaporware .
Anyone can announce anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sniff, sniff... what's that I smell?
Not even vaporware.
Anyone can announce anything.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542216</id>
	<title>3G module = $50 extra</title>
	<author>Charbax</author>
	<datestamp>1269029460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's probably going to be an option to get an unlocked 3G module with SIM card reader, but it'll currently cost you at least $50 extra. But it'd be unlocked and you could use any SIM card you want from a telecom that allows any device on their network and provides SIM cards for that.

In Europe you can get SIM cards for free and only have to pay starting 5&euro; per month for data services on it, especially for the few hundreds of megabytes per months which are probably enough for downloading e-books and doing basic web browsing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's probably going to be an option to get an unlocked 3G module with SIM card reader , but it 'll currently cost you at least $ 50 extra .
But it 'd be unlocked and you could use any SIM card you want from a telecom that allows any device on their network and provides SIM cards for that .
In Europe you can get SIM cards for free and only have to pay starting 5    per month for data services on it , especially for the few hundreds of megabytes per months which are probably enough for downloading e-books and doing basic web browsing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's probably going to be an option to get an unlocked 3G module with SIM card reader, but it'll currently cost you at least $50 extra.
But it'd be unlocked and you could use any SIM card you want from a telecom that allows any device on their network and provides SIM cards for that.
In Europe you can get SIM cards for free and only have to pay starting 5€ per month for data services on it, especially for the few hundreds of megabytes per months which are probably enough for downloading e-books and doing basic web browsing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541880</id>
	<title>Phantom Game Console Marvell Pad</title>
	<author>WED Fan</author>
	<datestamp>1269028080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This plus the DNF and the Phantom console.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This plus the DNF and the Phantom console .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This plus the DNF and the Phantom console.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540644</id>
	<title>Is there even a prototype?</title>
	<author>bheer</author>
	<datestamp>1269023040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The CrunchPad was supposed to be a dead-simple, cheap <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JooJoo" title="wikipedia.org">$200 tablet</a> [wikipedia.org]. Closer to production, it looks like it'll cost more like <a href="https://thejoojoo.com/store/order/new" title="thejoojoo.com">$500</a> [thejoojoo.com]. A $99 device would be nice, but I'll believe it when I see it. A decent screen + NAND memory + battery alone will add to the cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The CrunchPad was supposed to be a dead-simple , cheap $ 200 tablet [ wikipedia.org ] .
Closer to production , it looks like it 'll cost more like $ 500 [ thejoojoo.com ] .
A $ 99 device would be nice , but I 'll believe it when I see it .
A decent screen + NAND memory + battery alone will add to the cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The CrunchPad was supposed to be a dead-simple, cheap $200 tablet [wikipedia.org].
Closer to production, it looks like it'll cost more like $500 [thejoojoo.com].
A $99 device would be nice, but I'll believe it when I see it.
A decent screen + NAND memory + battery alone will add to the cost.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540658</id>
	<title>Is anyone else getting tired of reading about...</title>
	<author>bornagainpenguin</author>
	<datestamp>1269023100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...all this great looking (and supposedly wonderfully performing) ARM powered vaporware products that either never shows up outside China or retail for ridiculously high prices and so locked in with WinCE nobody wants it?</p><p>Either put up or shut up already!  Personally I'd rather they put up than shut up, but either way enough already!</p><p>--bornagainpenguin</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...all this great looking ( and supposedly wonderfully performing ) ARM powered vaporware products that either never shows up outside China or retail for ridiculously high prices and so locked in with WinCE nobody wants it ? Either put up or shut up already !
Personally I 'd rather they put up than shut up , but either way enough already ! --bornagainpenguin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...all this great looking (and supposedly wonderfully performing) ARM powered vaporware products that either never shows up outside China or retail for ridiculously high prices and so locked in with WinCE nobody wants it?Either put up or shut up already!
Personally I'd rather they put up than shut up, but either way enough already!--bornagainpenguin</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540820</id>
	<title>Wrong problem</title>
	<author>ChromeAeonium</author>
	<datestamp>1269023760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't mind lugging them around.  What I mind is paying out ridiculous amounts for a rehash of last year's now worthless book.  They sell ebook versions of textbooks; I don't see how this will hamper that (besides eliminating resale markets).  What we need is some serious, high quality, free, open source type textbooks.  I wouldn't mind paying to have them stamped on dead tree, I like dead tree, it's the BS mark-up that's the problem.  This is cool and all, but it would mean a lot more if they could get something good and free/reasonably priced to put in it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't mind lugging them around .
What I mind is paying out ridiculous amounts for a rehash of last year 's now worthless book .
They sell ebook versions of textbooks ; I do n't see how this will hamper that ( besides eliminating resale markets ) .
What we need is some serious , high quality , free , open source type textbooks .
I would n't mind paying to have them stamped on dead tree , I like dead tree , it 's the BS mark-up that 's the problem .
This is cool and all , but it would mean a lot more if they could get something good and free/reasonably priced to put in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't mind lugging them around.
What I mind is paying out ridiculous amounts for a rehash of last year's now worthless book.
They sell ebook versions of textbooks; I don't see how this will hamper that (besides eliminating resale markets).
What we need is some serious, high quality, free, open source type textbooks.
I wouldn't mind paying to have them stamped on dead tree, I like dead tree, it's the BS mark-up that's the problem.
This is cool and all, but it would mean a lot more if they could get something good and free/reasonably priced to put in it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31551734</id>
	<title>Re:Is there even a prototype?</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1269076740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Marvell said they'd release the Sheevaplug for $99, and they did. Occasionally one even comes on sale for $59.99/$69.99. With the capacity they can pump out, I suspect they'll reach their goal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Marvell said they 'd release the Sheevaplug for $ 99 , and they did .
Occasionally one even comes on sale for $ 59.99/ $ 69.99 .
With the capacity they can pump out , I suspect they 'll reach their goal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Marvell said they'd release the Sheevaplug for $99, and they did.
Occasionally one even comes on sale for $59.99/$69.99.
With the capacity they can pump out, I suspect they'll reach their goal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31544062</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268994240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$99?, Yeah right and incredible 3D performance and a mini levitation device built in to boot!  Wow I'm blown away..lol<br>Sales jibjabba it's 90\% BS 10\% substance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 99 ? , Yeah right and incredible 3D performance and a mini levitation device built in to boot !
Wow I 'm blown away..lolSales jibjabba it 's 90 \ % BS 10 \ % substance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$99?, Yeah right and incredible 3D performance and a mini levitation device built in to boot!
Wow I'm blown away..lolSales jibjabba it's 90\% BS 10\% substance.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31545616</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269002340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real question is will these things get past the 800 pound gorilla known as Intel. As we have seen with AMD they have NO problem playing down and dirty, giving kickbacks, whatever it takes to own a market, and right now Wintel is pretty much it when it comes to netbooks and most non phone tablets.</p><p>Sure they ain't gonna say boo about something like the Kindle, because it is a $300 niche item with limited appeal. A $100 tablet that can surf and do Youtube? Now THAT can be a game changer and suck up a lot of the money Intel is making on those shitty Atom CPUs and crappy Intel chipsets.</p><p>

So I think we'll just have to wait and see. for the past 3 years we have been hearing about sub $100 netbooks running ARM, yet they either never surface or end up like that $500 JooJoo crap. I just wonder if the reason we haven't been seeing those sub $100 ARM netbooks (and now tablets) is because old Intel is greasing a few Chinese palms to make sure they don't see the light of day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real question is will these things get past the 800 pound gorilla known as Intel .
As we have seen with AMD they have NO problem playing down and dirty , giving kickbacks , whatever it takes to own a market , and right now Wintel is pretty much it when it comes to netbooks and most non phone tablets.Sure they ai n't gon na say boo about something like the Kindle , because it is a $ 300 niche item with limited appeal .
A $ 100 tablet that can surf and do Youtube ?
Now THAT can be a game changer and suck up a lot of the money Intel is making on those shitty Atom CPUs and crappy Intel chipsets .
So I think we 'll just have to wait and see .
for the past 3 years we have been hearing about sub $ 100 netbooks running ARM , yet they either never surface or end up like that $ 500 JooJoo crap .
I just wonder if the reason we have n't been seeing those sub $ 100 ARM netbooks ( and now tablets ) is because old Intel is greasing a few Chinese palms to make sure they do n't see the light of day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real question is will these things get past the 800 pound gorilla known as Intel.
As we have seen with AMD they have NO problem playing down and dirty, giving kickbacks, whatever it takes to own a market, and right now Wintel is pretty much it when it comes to netbooks and most non phone tablets.Sure they ain't gonna say boo about something like the Kindle, because it is a $300 niche item with limited appeal.
A $100 tablet that can surf and do Youtube?
Now THAT can be a game changer and suck up a lot of the money Intel is making on those shitty Atom CPUs and crappy Intel chipsets.
So I think we'll just have to wait and see.
for the past 3 years we have been hearing about sub $100 netbooks running ARM, yet they either never surface or end up like that $500 JooJoo crap.
I just wonder if the reason we haven't been seeing those sub $100 ARM netbooks (and now tablets) is because old Intel is greasing a few Chinese palms to make sure they don't see the light of day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542000</id>
	<title>It cures cancer...</title>
	<author>Brett Johnson</author>
	<datestamp>1269028620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Marvell's Moby tablet will be an always-on, high performance multimedia tablet capable of full Flash support and 1080p HD playback and supporting WiFi, Bluetooth, FM radio, GPS and both Android and Windows Mobile platforms for maximum flexibility.</p></div><p>It cures cancer<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and it even includes a pony!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Marvell 's Moby tablet will be an always-on , high performance multimedia tablet capable of full Flash support and 1080p HD playback and supporting WiFi , Bluetooth , FM radio , GPS and both Android and Windows Mobile platforms for maximum flexibility.It cures cancer ... and it even includes a pony !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Marvell's Moby tablet will be an always-on, high performance multimedia tablet capable of full Flash support and 1080p HD playback and supporting WiFi, Bluetooth, FM radio, GPS and both Android and Windows Mobile platforms for maximum flexibility.It cures cancer ... and it even includes a pony!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31543614</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>d3ac0n</author>
	<datestamp>1268992320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I really do think the touch-capable tablet PC is the wave of the future, is anyone else here just ever-so slightly disappointed that the future of PC's didn't turn out to be the Chobits "persocom"?  (or persocon, if you prefer)</p><p>I mean, a thin little tablet is cool and all, but it's not a sexy female android who calls you "Master".</p><p>Although, I suppose that means the robot apocalypse is a bit further off now.  Maybe it's a wash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I really do think the touch-capable tablet PC is the wave of the future , is anyone else here just ever-so slightly disappointed that the future of PC 's did n't turn out to be the Chobits " persocom " ?
( or persocon , if you prefer ) I mean , a thin little tablet is cool and all , but it 's not a sexy female android who calls you " Master " .Although , I suppose that means the robot apocalypse is a bit further off now .
Maybe it 's a wash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I really do think the touch-capable tablet PC is the wave of the future, is anyone else here just ever-so slightly disappointed that the future of PC's didn't turn out to be the Chobits "persocom"?
(or persocon, if you prefer)I mean, a thin little tablet is cool and all, but it's not a sexy female android who calls you "Master".Although, I suppose that means the robot apocalypse is a bit further off now.
Maybe it's a wash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540980</id>
	<title>Translation</title>
	<author>cfriedt</author>
	<datestamp>1269024300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>... but weigh less than half of one typical textbook.</p></div></blockquote><p>Translation: This will weigh less than 1/10th of most engineering textbooks.</p><p>Why didn't they come out with this 10 years ago!?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... but weigh less than half of one typical textbook.Translation : This will weigh less than 1/10th of most engineering textbooks.Why did n't they come out with this 10 years ago !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but weigh less than half of one typical textbook.Translation: This will weigh less than 1/10th of most engineering textbooks.Why didn't they come out with this 10 years ago!
?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541148</id>
	<title>Economy of Scale</title>
	<author>BlueBoxSW.com</author>
	<datestamp>1269024900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The $99 might cover the parts, but the R&amp;D to design the thing is a different story.</p><p>Whoever can ramp up the economy of scale around netbooks is going to own the market.</p><p>My money is on the company that did this in the smartphone market.</p><p>You know who they are...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The $ 99 might cover the parts , but the R&amp;D to design the thing is a different story.Whoever can ramp up the economy of scale around netbooks is going to own the market.My money is on the company that did this in the smartphone market.You know who they are.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The $99 might cover the parts, but the R&amp;D to design the thing is a different story.Whoever can ramp up the economy of scale around netbooks is going to own the market.My money is on the company that did this in the smartphone market.You know who they are...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542164</id>
	<title>Re:You're not the only one!</title>
	<author>WaywardGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1269029220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm with you on the $200, ARM-based, 10" touchscreen slate.  However, we're very tech-minded geeks here.  To quote a marketing guy at Dell, "Wouldn't you rather pay $300 for a device that can also run all the applications you love?"  Of course, I happen to love Linux apps, but I get his point.  We're not Dell's target customer base.  Tell Joe Sixpack that it's just an e-book reader, and $300 for a black and white 7" display seems reasonable.  Tell him that for $200 he can get color, better sunlight readability, 10" display in the same form-factor, multi-day battery life in e-book mode, and a real OS with web browsing, e-mail and more, and suddenly it's a device for pot-head geeks with no real market.  Go figure.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm with you on the $ 200 , ARM-based , 10 " touchscreen slate .
However , we 're very tech-minded geeks here .
To quote a marketing guy at Dell , " Would n't you rather pay $ 300 for a device that can also run all the applications you love ?
" Of course , I happen to love Linux apps , but I get his point .
We 're not Dell 's target customer base .
Tell Joe Sixpack that it 's just an e-book reader , and $ 300 for a black and white 7 " display seems reasonable .
Tell him that for $ 200 he can get color , better sunlight readability , 10 " display in the same form-factor , multi-day battery life in e-book mode , and a real OS with web browsing , e-mail and more , and suddenly it 's a device for pot-head geeks with no real market .
Go figure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm with you on the $200, ARM-based, 10" touchscreen slate.
However, we're very tech-minded geeks here.
To quote a marketing guy at Dell, "Wouldn't you rather pay $300 for a device that can also run all the applications you love?
"  Of course, I happen to love Linux apps, but I get his point.
We're not Dell's target customer base.
Tell Joe Sixpack that it's just an e-book reader, and $300 for a black and white 7" display seems reasonable.
Tell him that for $200 he can get color, better sunlight readability, 10" display in the same form-factor, multi-day battery life in e-book mode, and a real OS with web browsing, e-mail and more, and suddenly it's a device for pot-head geeks with no real market.
Go figure.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31545640</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>dunng808</author>
	<datestamp>1269002460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As I read through the comments I see a lot of interest and debate about hardware -- screen readability, battery life, size and weight -- and to a lessor extent e-book file formats and publishing.  These are important, and they miss essential points.
</p><p>
1. An e-book reader treats the student as a passive consumer. This is a model we have become all too familiar with, conditioned by being raised on a diet of printed books, movies and television. It fails because so much more is possible. A computer offers the opportunity for interactive learning, starting with social media and going straight into software development. Slashdot readers should known this. A key component is an on-going relationship with teachers, with interaction taking place entirely on-line, or as an enhancement to "brick and mortar" classroom activity.
</p><p>
2. The information contained in textbooks does not need to be published for profit. It is time for the textbook industry to follow the telegraph industry into the halls of our museums.  Better still, to be reduced to a Wikipedia page. MIT has shown the way with their <a href="http://ocw.mit.edu/" title="mit.edu">OpenCourseWare.</a> [mit.edu] Slashdot readers appreciate the value of free software. It should be obvious the same thing applies to textbooks.
</p><p>
3. It is not enough to fill a classroom with iMacs, or to offer an e-book reader in place of printed textbooks. What is needed is a larger infrastructure, something like a physical school and something akin to the Internet, the place where education takes place.
</p><p>
If you are interested in contributing to the development of such a place, come and join the <a href="http://openslate.net/" title="openslate.net">Open Slate Project.</a> [openslate.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As I read through the comments I see a lot of interest and debate about hardware -- screen readability , battery life , size and weight -- and to a lessor extent e-book file formats and publishing .
These are important , and they miss essential points .
1. An e-book reader treats the student as a passive consumer .
This is a model we have become all too familiar with , conditioned by being raised on a diet of printed books , movies and television .
It fails because so much more is possible .
A computer offers the opportunity for interactive learning , starting with social media and going straight into software development .
Slashdot readers should known this .
A key component is an on-going relationship with teachers , with interaction taking place entirely on-line , or as an enhancement to " brick and mortar " classroom activity .
2. The information contained in textbooks does not need to be published for profit .
It is time for the textbook industry to follow the telegraph industry into the halls of our museums .
Better still , to be reduced to a Wikipedia page .
MIT has shown the way with their OpenCourseWare .
[ mit.edu ] Slashdot readers appreciate the value of free software .
It should be obvious the same thing applies to textbooks .
3. It is not enough to fill a classroom with iMacs , or to offer an e-book reader in place of printed textbooks .
What is needed is a larger infrastructure , something like a physical school and something akin to the Internet , the place where education takes place .
If you are interested in contributing to the development of such a place , come and join the Open Slate Project .
[ openslate.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I read through the comments I see a lot of interest and debate about hardware -- screen readability, battery life, size and weight -- and to a lessor extent e-book file formats and publishing.
These are important, and they miss essential points.
1. An e-book reader treats the student as a passive consumer.
This is a model we have become all too familiar with, conditioned by being raised on a diet of printed books, movies and television.
It fails because so much more is possible.
A computer offers the opportunity for interactive learning, starting with social media and going straight into software development.
Slashdot readers should known this.
A key component is an on-going relationship with teachers, with interaction taking place entirely on-line, or as an enhancement to "brick and mortar" classroom activity.
2. The information contained in textbooks does not need to be published for profit.
It is time for the textbook industry to follow the telegraph industry into the halls of our museums.
Better still, to be reduced to a Wikipedia page.
MIT has shown the way with their OpenCourseWare.
[mit.edu] Slashdot readers appreciate the value of free software.
It should be obvious the same thing applies to textbooks.
3. It is not enough to fill a classroom with iMacs, or to offer an e-book reader in place of printed textbooks.
What is needed is a larger infrastructure, something like a physical school and something akin to the Internet, the place where education takes place.
If you are interested in contributing to the development of such a place, come and join the Open Slate Project.
[openslate.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540806</id>
	<title>PR releases for non-existent products != news</title>
	<author>sixteenvolt</author>
	<datestamp>1269023700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another kdawson special. The product does not exist. It cannot be purchased. If every claim about what somebody INTENDS to do is news...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another kdawson special .
The product does not exist .
It can not be purchased .
If every claim about what somebody INTENDS to do is news.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another kdawson special.
The product does not exist.
It cannot be purchased.
If every claim about what somebody INTENDS to do is news...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540842</id>
	<title>Attractive, 'cept the tightest DRM lockdown EVAR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269023760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, you thought the RIAA and MPAA were bad? Hoo boy, you're in for a surprise when you meet the textbook publishers. They aren't even human, they're like... Mind Flayers, or something. Pure evil, and smarter than you think.</p><p>Textbook pubs will never permit mass electronic distribution unless they have mandatory DRM backed by scary laws that the state aggressively enforces. When Congress passes laws authorizing copyright holders and their agents/officials to summarily arrest and imprison suspected copyright violators, without trial or notice, THEN the textbook publishers will decide that they feel confident moving into electronic distribution.</p><p>But one of these days, somebody will start selling cheap, easy-to-make/use automated book scanners (with page turning capabilities). Or maybe they'll put up an Instructable. That'll be the harpoon in the side, for the textbook industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , you thought the RIAA and MPAA were bad ?
Hoo boy , you 're in for a surprise when you meet the textbook publishers .
They are n't even human , they 're like... Mind Flayers , or something .
Pure evil , and smarter than you think.Textbook pubs will never permit mass electronic distribution unless they have mandatory DRM backed by scary laws that the state aggressively enforces .
When Congress passes laws authorizing copyright holders and their agents/officials to summarily arrest and imprison suspected copyright violators , without trial or notice , THEN the textbook publishers will decide that they feel confident moving into electronic distribution.But one of these days , somebody will start selling cheap , easy-to-make/use automated book scanners ( with page turning capabilities ) .
Or maybe they 'll put up an Instructable .
That 'll be the harpoon in the side , for the textbook industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, you thought the RIAA and MPAA were bad?
Hoo boy, you're in for a surprise when you meet the textbook publishers.
They aren't even human, they're like... Mind Flayers, or something.
Pure evil, and smarter than you think.Textbook pubs will never permit mass electronic distribution unless they have mandatory DRM backed by scary laws that the state aggressively enforces.
When Congress passes laws authorizing copyright holders and their agents/officials to summarily arrest and imprison suspected copyright violators, without trial or notice, THEN the textbook publishers will decide that they feel confident moving into electronic distribution.But one of these days, somebody will start selling cheap, easy-to-make/use automated book scanners (with page turning capabilities).
Or maybe they'll put up an Instructable.
That'll be the harpoon in the side, for the textbook industry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31544280</id>
	<title>My bet is that kdawson gets paid to put these here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268995200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one can be as gullible as he seems to be, so the cause has to be money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one can be as gullible as he seems to be , so the cause has to be money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one can be as gullible as he seems to be, so the cause has to be money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540922</id>
	<title>Re:Is there even a prototype?</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1269024120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would be a touch surprised, and impressed, to see the case, battery, screen, wifi, etc. come in for less than $100.<br> <br>

However, the joojoo thing is almost certainly a bad comparison. That hardware is a full Atom based x86, with Nvidia graphics(since ion was terminated by Pine Trail, presumably Ion2, which is a full discrete GPU, albeit a rather weak one). Since Marvell is pushing this thing, and Marvell makes ARM SoCs of various flavors, it'll almost definitely be cheaper(as well as somewhat weaker) than the intel+discrete GPU equivalent.<br> <br>

Perhaps the more valid comparison, and not a wildly hopeful one, is Marvell's Shivaplug, which is the headless, batteryless, designed for small scale embedded server use version of their ARM platform. Quantity one, that goes for $100 without screen or battery. For quantity LOTS, I'd assume that it would be somewhat cheaper; but $99 for a similar board, plus the usual mobile device trimmings would be a fair feat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be a touch surprised , and impressed , to see the case , battery , screen , wifi , etc .
come in for less than $ 100 .
However , the joojoo thing is almost certainly a bad comparison .
That hardware is a full Atom based x86 , with Nvidia graphics ( since ion was terminated by Pine Trail , presumably Ion2 , which is a full discrete GPU , albeit a rather weak one ) .
Since Marvell is pushing this thing , and Marvell makes ARM SoCs of various flavors , it 'll almost definitely be cheaper ( as well as somewhat weaker ) than the intel + discrete GPU equivalent .
Perhaps the more valid comparison , and not a wildly hopeful one , is Marvell 's Shivaplug , which is the headless , batteryless , designed for small scale embedded server use version of their ARM platform .
Quantity one , that goes for $ 100 without screen or battery .
For quantity LOTS , I 'd assume that it would be somewhat cheaper ; but $ 99 for a similar board , plus the usual mobile device trimmings would be a fair feat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be a touch surprised, and impressed, to see the case, battery, screen, wifi, etc.
come in for less than $100.
However, the joojoo thing is almost certainly a bad comparison.
That hardware is a full Atom based x86, with Nvidia graphics(since ion was terminated by Pine Trail, presumably Ion2, which is a full discrete GPU, albeit a rather weak one).
Since Marvell is pushing this thing, and Marvell makes ARM SoCs of various flavors, it'll almost definitely be cheaper(as well as somewhat weaker) than the intel+discrete GPU equivalent.
Perhaps the more valid comparison, and not a wildly hopeful one, is Marvell's Shivaplug, which is the headless, batteryless, designed for small scale embedded server use version of their ARM platform.
Quantity one, that goes for $100 without screen or battery.
For quantity LOTS, I'd assume that it would be somewhat cheaper; but $99 for a similar board, plus the usual mobile device trimmings would be a fair feat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31543488</id>
	<title>Re:Unlikely to be anytime soon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268991780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, it will be more than $99. But it happens to be the exact device I have wanted for years. Not for school, not for ebooks, but for my car. GPS, wireless networking, Music storage.<br>
Sounds like a winner to me. Now if only they would build it, I would pay quite a bit more than $99 for such a device.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , it will be more than $ 99 .
But it happens to be the exact device I have wanted for years .
Not for school , not for ebooks , but for my car .
GPS , wireless networking , Music storage .
Sounds like a winner to me .
Now if only they would build it , I would pay quite a bit more than $ 99 for such a device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, it will be more than $99.
But it happens to be the exact device I have wanted for years.
Not for school, not for ebooks, but for my car.
GPS, wireless networking, Music storage.
Sounds like a winner to me.
Now if only they would build it, I would pay quite a bit more than $99 for such a device.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540754</id>
	<title>A bit vaporous?</title>
	<author>Genevish</author>
	<datestamp>1269023460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A bit vaporous?  You think?  Hehe, well, I'll certainly cancel my iPad order for this!</htmltext>
<tokenext>A bit vaporous ?
You think ?
Hehe , well , I 'll certainly cancel my iPad order for this !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A bit vaporous?
You think?
Hehe, well, I'll certainly cancel my iPad order for this!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541240</id>
	<title>Battery</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1269025260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The main problem is that you either have to provide students with power outlets, or the batteries have to be able to perform in the real world for around 8-12 hours.</p><p>I would have loved to have had such an option when I was in Uni. You had two choices. Either carry the textbook as you were told in which case you'd better have a good hiking backpack and like being a social outcast, or don't carry them and do your homework/reading at home. Most students chose the later.</p><p>I did my Masters online and never had to carry a book. It was a much better experience in that respect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The main problem is that you either have to provide students with power outlets , or the batteries have to be able to perform in the real world for around 8-12 hours.I would have loved to have had such an option when I was in Uni .
You had two choices .
Either carry the textbook as you were told in which case you 'd better have a good hiking backpack and like being a social outcast , or do n't carry them and do your homework/reading at home .
Most students chose the later.I did my Masters online and never had to carry a book .
It was a much better experience in that respect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The main problem is that you either have to provide students with power outlets, or the batteries have to be able to perform in the real world for around 8-12 hours.I would have loved to have had such an option when I was in Uni.
You had two choices.
Either carry the textbook as you were told in which case you'd better have a good hiking backpack and like being a social outcast, or don't carry them and do your homework/reading at home.
Most students chose the later.I did my Masters online and never had to carry a book.
It was a much better experience in that respect.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541776</id>
	<title>$99* Moby Tablet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269027660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*For clients who activate or renew on a 3 year term with a voice and data rate plan of $50 or greater. We reserves the right to modify eligible rate plans with this offer at any time without advance notice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* For clients who activate or renew on a 3 year term with a voice and data rate plan of $ 50 or greater .
We reserves the right to modify eligible rate plans with this offer at any time without advance notice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*For clients who activate or renew on a 3 year term with a voice and data rate plan of $50 or greater.
We reserves the right to modify eligible rate plans with this offer at any time without advance notice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541706</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>WaywardGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1269027360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow... a slashdot geek should really read about technology y before commenting, but hey, few of us RTFA, right?  Check out the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxgRBC47SAo" title="youtube.com">Pixel Qi display</a> [youtube.com].  Also check out the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia\_Tegra" title="wikipedia.org">Nvidia Tegra processor</a> [wikipedia.org].  This is the year of the tablet/slate, or whatever you want to call them.  They're a new class of $100 - $200 ebook readers that blow away anything we've seen to date, assuming you like to read.  They are easier on the eyes than Kindles, yet able to run real OSes, even Ubuntu UNR.  With their ARM processors, and awesome integrated graphics, they use a small fraction of the power of any Intel based system, and at a fraction of the cost.  The killer application will be e-book readers, in a "convergence" device that also let's us watch color youtube videos, run Firefox, write e-mails, and all of that on a nice 10" multi-touch display that blows doors on any phone or e-ink display.  We'll buy them because they're cheaper and better than a Kindle for reading e-books, yet nearly as useful as a netbook for getting work done.  Many of these devices will ship with detachable keyboards, making them true netbooks when used that way.  Battery life in e-book mode will be in days, not hours.</p><p>So, feel free to enjoy your technology x.  I'm really looking forward to y.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow... a slashdot geek should really read about technology y before commenting , but hey , few of us RTFA , right ?
Check out the Pixel Qi display [ youtube.com ] .
Also check out the Nvidia Tegra processor [ wikipedia.org ] .
This is the year of the tablet/slate , or whatever you want to call them .
They 're a new class of $ 100 - $ 200 ebook readers that blow away anything we 've seen to date , assuming you like to read .
They are easier on the eyes than Kindles , yet able to run real OSes , even Ubuntu UNR .
With their ARM processors , and awesome integrated graphics , they use a small fraction of the power of any Intel based system , and at a fraction of the cost .
The killer application will be e-book readers , in a " convergence " device that also let 's us watch color youtube videos , run Firefox , write e-mails , and all of that on a nice 10 " multi-touch display that blows doors on any phone or e-ink display .
We 'll buy them because they 're cheaper and better than a Kindle for reading e-books , yet nearly as useful as a netbook for getting work done .
Many of these devices will ship with detachable keyboards , making them true netbooks when used that way .
Battery life in e-book mode will be in days , not hours.So , feel free to enjoy your technology x. I 'm really looking forward to y .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow... a slashdot geek should really read about technology y before commenting, but hey, few of us RTFA, right?
Check out the Pixel Qi display [youtube.com].
Also check out the Nvidia Tegra processor [wikipedia.org].
This is the year of the tablet/slate, or whatever you want to call them.
They're a new class of $100 - $200 ebook readers that blow away anything we've seen to date, assuming you like to read.
They are easier on the eyes than Kindles, yet able to run real OSes, even Ubuntu UNR.
With their ARM processors, and awesome integrated graphics, they use a small fraction of the power of any Intel based system, and at a fraction of the cost.
The killer application will be e-book readers, in a "convergence" device that also let's us watch color youtube videos, run Firefox, write e-mails, and all of that on a nice 10" multi-touch display that blows doors on any phone or e-ink display.
We'll buy them because they're cheaper and better than a Kindle for reading e-books, yet nearly as useful as a netbook for getting work done.
Many of these devices will ship with detachable keyboards, making them true netbooks when used that way.
Battery life in e-book mode will be in days, not hours.So, feel free to enjoy your technology x.  I'm really looking forward to y.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31544376</id>
	<title>Buying textbooks</title>
	<author>bwcbwc</author>
	<datestamp>1268995620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I note that the summary only mentions the need to buy \_bound\_ textbooks disappears.</p><p>Methinks they are subsidizing the cost of the device by continuing to charge exorbitant prices -- only for DRM'ed electronic textbooks that expire, instead of books you can keep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I note that the summary only mentions the need to buy \ _bound \ _ textbooks disappears.Methinks they are subsidizing the cost of the device by continuing to charge exorbitant prices -- only for DRM'ed electronic textbooks that expire , instead of books you can keep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I note that the summary only mentions the need to buy \_bound\_ textbooks disappears.Methinks they are subsidizing the cost of the device by continuing to charge exorbitant prices -- only for DRM'ed electronic textbooks that expire, instead of books you can keep.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31545794</id>
	<title>Re:Attractive, 'cept the tightest DRM lockdown EVA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269003360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as someone who has used ebooks for about a decade now, I can tell you that there has been a standard in place almost that long.</p><p>it's called HTML and is supported on just about every device that has come out that I know of.</p><p>Starting with the Franklin Ebookman 911 in 2000 and the REB1100 in 2001, I've been able to convert HTML to a format that my ebook readers have been able to faithfully reproduce without problems up to my latest ebook reader, the PRS500.</p><p>the problem is not standards. there are standards and the software used to layout books can create HTML as easily as it creates color separated PDFs for the printer.</p><p>the problem, as the gp stated, is DRM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as someone who has used ebooks for about a decade now , I can tell you that there has been a standard in place almost that long.it 's called HTML and is supported on just about every device that has come out that I know of.Starting with the Franklin Ebookman 911 in 2000 and the REB1100 in 2001 , I 've been able to convert HTML to a format that my ebook readers have been able to faithfully reproduce without problems up to my latest ebook reader , the PRS500.the problem is not standards .
there are standards and the software used to layout books can create HTML as easily as it creates color separated PDFs for the printer.the problem , as the gp stated , is DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as someone who has used ebooks for about a decade now, I can tell you that there has been a standard in place almost that long.it's called HTML and is supported on just about every device that has come out that I know of.Starting with the Franklin Ebookman 911 in 2000 and the REB1100 in 2001, I've been able to convert HTML to a format that my ebook readers have been able to faithfully reproduce without problems up to my latest ebook reader, the PRS500.the problem is not standards.
there are standards and the software used to layout books can create HTML as easily as it creates color separated PDFs for the printer.the problem, as the gp stated, is DRM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542968</id>
	<title>Re:Is there even a prototype?</title>
	<author>yk4ever</author>
	<datestamp>1268989800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SmartQ V7 is available for around $270 on eBay.</p><p><a href="http://en.smartdevices.com.cn/Products/V7/200912/04-40.html" title="smartdevices.com.cn" rel="nofollow">http://en.smartdevices.com.cn/Products/V7/200912/04-40.html</a> [smartdevices.com.cn]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SmartQ V7 is available for around $ 270 on eBay.http : //en.smartdevices.com.cn/Products/V7/200912/04-40.html [ smartdevices.com.cn ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SmartQ V7 is available for around $270 on eBay.http://en.smartdevices.com.cn/Products/V7/200912/04-40.html [smartdevices.com.cn]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541238</id>
	<title>We have been here before</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1269025260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And it will end up being yet another 500 dollar device once it ships.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And it will end up being yet another 500 dollar device once it ships .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it will end up being yet another 500 dollar device once it ships.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31544542</id>
	<title>Re:Attractive, 'cept the tightest DRM lockdown EVA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268996340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And since it takes two years or more just to make a textbook</p></div><p>I don't think anyone in the world would agree with you on this as a universal argument; if you truly believe that's a good point, then you should ask yourself if you're drinking the kool-aid.</p><p>It is outright illogical to complain that file format standards change every two years when textbooks publishers create and print a new college algebra edition more frequently than every two decades.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And since it takes two years or more just to make a textbookI do n't think anyone in the world would agree with you on this as a universal argument ; if you truly believe that 's a good point , then you should ask yourself if you 're drinking the kool-aid.It is outright illogical to complain that file format standards change every two years when textbooks publishers create and print a new college algebra edition more frequently than every two decades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And since it takes two years or more just to make a textbookI don't think anyone in the world would agree with you on this as a universal argument; if you truly believe that's a good point, then you should ask yourself if you're drinking the kool-aid.It is outright illogical to complain that file format standards change every two years when textbooks publishers create and print a new college algebra edition more frequently than every two decades.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31545918</id>
	<title>Re:Battery</title>
	<author>dunng808</author>
	<datestamp>1269004140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The main problem is that you either have to provide students with power outlets, or the batteries have to be able to perform in the real world for around 8-12 hours.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Create a standard battery format, as exists for C, D, AA, etc. or use one of those. Place battery chargers all over campus, in every classroom. Swap charged for flat, no cost. Like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle\_sharing\_system" title="wikipedia.org">Bicycling Sharing</a> [wikipedia.org] for batteries, in an institutional rather than municipal context.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The main problem is that you either have to provide students with power outlets , or the batteries have to be able to perform in the real world for around 8-12 hours .
Create a standard battery format , as exists for C , D , AA , etc .
or use one of those .
Place battery chargers all over campus , in every classroom .
Swap charged for flat , no cost .
Like Bicycling Sharing [ wikipedia.org ] for batteries , in an institutional rather than municipal context .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The main problem is that you either have to provide students with power outlets, or the batteries have to be able to perform in the real world for around 8-12 hours.
Create a standard battery format, as exists for C, D, AA, etc.
or use one of those.
Place battery chargers all over campus, in every classroom.
Swap charged for flat, no cost.
Like Bicycling Sharing [wikipedia.org] for batteries, in an institutional rather than municipal context.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542734</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong problem</title>
	<author>plover</author>
	<datestamp>1269032040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The original problem with textbooks is that they are expensive to write.  It can take thousands of hours to produce a completely new book.</p><p>The recurring problem with textbooks is the money addiction that authors and publishers seem to suffer from.  After quitting their day job for a year to write a book, they believe that book writing is more profitable.  So they figure they can tweak the book for a couple of weeks or so and convince teachers that this one is the new hotness and last year's is old and busted.</p><p>Unfortunately, the expert author model just isn't very sustainable.  If you pour a year of your life into summarizing your previous several years worth of experiences, the only current topic you're now qualified to author is writing a book.</p><p>So how do you propose funding the author for a year's worth of hard work?  The wikipedia model, allowing many volunteers to share the load?  The corporate benevolence model, like Google's summer of code?</p><p>I'm not saying that you shouldn't have cheap books, but I am saying the author and editor still need to be paid for their not-inconsiderable efforts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The original problem with textbooks is that they are expensive to write .
It can take thousands of hours to produce a completely new book.The recurring problem with textbooks is the money addiction that authors and publishers seem to suffer from .
After quitting their day job for a year to write a book , they believe that book writing is more profitable .
So they figure they can tweak the book for a couple of weeks or so and convince teachers that this one is the new hotness and last year 's is old and busted.Unfortunately , the expert author model just is n't very sustainable .
If you pour a year of your life into summarizing your previous several years worth of experiences , the only current topic you 're now qualified to author is writing a book.So how do you propose funding the author for a year 's worth of hard work ?
The wikipedia model , allowing many volunteers to share the load ?
The corporate benevolence model , like Google 's summer of code ? I 'm not saying that you should n't have cheap books , but I am saying the author and editor still need to be paid for their not-inconsiderable efforts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original problem with textbooks is that they are expensive to write.
It can take thousands of hours to produce a completely new book.The recurring problem with textbooks is the money addiction that authors and publishers seem to suffer from.
After quitting their day job for a year to write a book, they believe that book writing is more profitable.
So they figure they can tweak the book for a couple of weeks or so and convince teachers that this one is the new hotness and last year's is old and busted.Unfortunately, the expert author model just isn't very sustainable.
If you pour a year of your life into summarizing your previous several years worth of experiences, the only current topic you're now qualified to author is writing a book.So how do you propose funding the author for a year's worth of hard work?
The wikipedia model, allowing many volunteers to share the load?
The corporate benevolence model, like Google's summer of code?I'm not saying that you shouldn't have cheap books, but I am saying the author and editor still need to be paid for their not-inconsiderable efforts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540604</id>
	<title>It's Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269022920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too bad it doesn't exist...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad it does n't exist.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad it doesn't exist...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542652</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>Stele</author>
	<datestamp>1269031620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>They are easier on the eyes than Kindles,</i></p><p>Holy shiny screen, Batman! Did you see that video? Try reading a book on that thing outside, or even under the lights of a trade-show.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are easier on the eyes than Kindles,Holy shiny screen , Batman !
Did you see that video ?
Try reading a book on that thing outside , or even under the lights of a trade-show .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are easier on the eyes than Kindles,Holy shiny screen, Batman!
Did you see that video?
Try reading a book on that thing outside, or even under the lights of a trade-show.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541826</id>
	<title>Re:Battery</title>
	<author>WaywardGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1269027780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The main problem is that you either have to provide students with power outlets, or the batteries have to be able to perform in the real world for around 8-12 hours.</p></div></blockquote><p>Done.  I wish I could grant other wishes so easily.  These new devices will have battery life measured in days, not hours, because in e-book mode we get to turn off the back-light and read the display using ambient light, just like a book.  They'll also have power-saving ARM processors that only drain significant energy when you turn the page.  But, if you want to see that you-tube video your friend just texted you, you can turn on the back-light, and enjoy it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The main problem is that you either have to provide students with power outlets , or the batteries have to be able to perform in the real world for around 8-12 hours.Done .
I wish I could grant other wishes so easily .
These new devices will have battery life measured in days , not hours , because in e-book mode we get to turn off the back-light and read the display using ambient light , just like a book .
They 'll also have power-saving ARM processors that only drain significant energy when you turn the page .
But , if you want to see that you-tube video your friend just texted you , you can turn on the back-light , and enjoy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The main problem is that you either have to provide students with power outlets, or the batteries have to be able to perform in the real world for around 8-12 hours.Done.
I wish I could grant other wishes so easily.
These new devices will have battery life measured in days, not hours, because in e-book mode we get to turn off the back-light and read the display using ambient light, just like a book.
They'll also have power-saving ARM processors that only drain significant energy when you turn the page.
But, if you want to see that you-tube video your friend just texted you, you can turn on the back-light, and enjoy it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31547082</id>
	<title>Re:Attractive, 'cept the tightest DRM lockdown EVA</title>
	<author>Bryan3000000</author>
	<datestamp>1269015960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You work at a University Press.  You do NOT work for a for-profit textbook publisher.  There is a difference.<br>
<br>
Sorry you're stuck with poor work processes.  Better ones exist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You work at a University Press .
You do NOT work for a for-profit textbook publisher .
There is a difference .
Sorry you 're stuck with poor work processes .
Better ones exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You work at a University Press.
You do NOT work for a for-profit textbook publisher.
There is a difference.
Sorry you're stuck with poor work processes.
Better ones exist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541332</id>
	<title>Open Text Books.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269025740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We need to have open text books to put on these low cost machines.  You should be able to put much of human knowledge on a computer with a 32GB flash drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We need to have open text books to put on these low cost machines .
You should be able to put much of human knowledge on a computer with a 32GB flash drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need to have open text books to put on these low cost machines.
You should be able to put much of human knowledge on a computer with a 32GB flash drive.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542426</id>
	<title>Re:Is there even a prototype?</title>
	<author>dgatwood</author>
	<datestamp>1269030660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flash prices shouldn't be that much of the cost.  A 32 Gig SD or CF card costs in the neighborhood of $60-80.  The CrunchPad was supposed to have a mere 4 GB.  That's (at most) eight or ten bucks worth of flash even at full retail prices, so probably $3-4 in terms of the manufacturing cost....  The problem is that if you're an unknown vendor, you aren't buying in bulk, so you can't get those deals.  Still, if it's more than $20, it probably makes more sense to ship the device without onboard flash, put a concealed SDXC card slot inside the battery compartment. and make the user go down to Wal-Mart or Fry's or whatever and buy a flash card for ten bucks.  Just saying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flash prices should n't be that much of the cost .
A 32 Gig SD or CF card costs in the neighborhood of $ 60-80 .
The CrunchPad was supposed to have a mere 4 GB .
That 's ( at most ) eight or ten bucks worth of flash even at full retail prices , so probably $ 3-4 in terms of the manufacturing cost.... The problem is that if you 're an unknown vendor , you are n't buying in bulk , so you ca n't get those deals .
Still , if it 's more than $ 20 , it probably makes more sense to ship the device without onboard flash , put a concealed SDXC card slot inside the battery compartment .
and make the user go down to Wal-Mart or Fry 's or whatever and buy a flash card for ten bucks .
Just saying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flash prices shouldn't be that much of the cost.
A 32 Gig SD or CF card costs in the neighborhood of $60-80.
The CrunchPad was supposed to have a mere 4 GB.
That's (at most) eight or ten bucks worth of flash even at full retail prices, so probably $3-4 in terms of the manufacturing cost....  The problem is that if you're an unknown vendor, you aren't buying in bulk, so you can't get those deals.
Still, if it's more than $20, it probably makes more sense to ship the device without onboard flash, put a concealed SDXC card slot inside the battery compartment.
and make the user go down to Wal-Mart or Fry's or whatever and buy a flash card for ten bucks.
Just saying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541918</id>
	<title>I used Pixel Qi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269028320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's as good as e-ink for reading. Check my video: <a href="http://armdevices.net/2010/01/08/charbax-tests-pixel-qi-at-ces-2010/" title="armdevices.net">http://armdevices.net/2010/01/08/charbax-tests-pixel-qi-at-ces-2010/</a> [armdevices.net]

I tested it only for a few minutes though, I didn't actually read much on it, just had time to check it out outdoors and indoors at Computex 2009 and at CES 2010 as I was filming those Pixel Qi videos.

It's very very readable and the whole 10" screen currently uses less than 500 milliwatts which means potentially reaching 50 hours battery runtime using an ARM processor to turn e-book pages on a 3-cell netbook-sized battery.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's as good as e-ink for reading .
Check my video : http : //armdevices.net/2010/01/08/charbax-tests-pixel-qi-at-ces-2010/ [ armdevices.net ] I tested it only for a few minutes though , I did n't actually read much on it , just had time to check it out outdoors and indoors at Computex 2009 and at CES 2010 as I was filming those Pixel Qi videos .
It 's very very readable and the whole 10 " screen currently uses less than 500 milliwatts which means potentially reaching 50 hours battery runtime using an ARM processor to turn e-book pages on a 3-cell netbook-sized battery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's as good as e-ink for reading.
Check my video: http://armdevices.net/2010/01/08/charbax-tests-pixel-qi-at-ces-2010/ [armdevices.net]

I tested it only for a few minutes though, I didn't actually read much on it, just had time to check it out outdoors and indoors at Computex 2009 and at CES 2010 as I was filming those Pixel Qi videos.
It's very very readable and the whole 10" screen currently uses less than 500 milliwatts which means potentially reaching 50 hours battery runtime using an ARM processor to turn e-book pages on a 3-cell netbook-sized battery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541598</id>
	<title>Already Moving to the Web</title>
	<author>MrTripps</author>
	<datestamp>1269026880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Many classes are already moving to a web based model where you have to pay some $70 a semester for a login. Unfortunately, that is in addition to the dead tree version that runs $170 and will net you $75 on the buy back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many classes are already moving to a web based model where you have to pay some $ 70 a semester for a login .
Unfortunately , that is in addition to the dead tree version that runs $ 170 and will net you $ 75 on the buy back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many classes are already moving to a web based model where you have to pay some $70 a semester for a login.
Unfortunately, that is in addition to the dead tree version that runs $170 and will net you $75 on the buy back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540626</id>
	<title>Also emulates Phantom console using Hydra</title>
	<author>Orga</author>
	<datestamp>1269023040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Additional details: Contains video cards from multiple manufacturers with no loss in GPU power.  Phantom console games sold seperately.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Additional details : Contains video cards from multiple manufacturers with no loss in GPU power .
Phantom console games sold seperately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Additional details: Contains video cards from multiple manufacturers with no loss in GPU power.
Phantom console games sold seperately.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542286</id>
	<title>Already...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269029760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...better than the iPad, and the thing isn't even out yet. (Moby)</p><p>Of course, iPad will still probably sell better than it simply due to that almost certainly stale chewed apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...better than the iPad , and the thing is n't even out yet .
( Moby ) Of course , iPad will still probably sell better than it simply due to that almost certainly stale chewed apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...better than the iPad, and the thing isn't even out yet.
(Moby)Of course, iPad will still probably sell better than it simply due to that almost certainly stale chewed apple.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541260</id>
	<title>cheap, automated book scanners</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1269025380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see them being sold, for the same reason its about impossible to sell a DVD backup device.  Few could afford the legal costs.</p><p>I also expect them to squelch the plans for them as 'forbidden knowledge' and if you are caught with that data, well, you go to jail as a terrorist or something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see them being sold , for the same reason its about impossible to sell a DVD backup device .
Few could afford the legal costs.I also expect them to squelch the plans for them as 'forbidden knowledge ' and if you are caught with that data , well , you go to jail as a terrorist or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see them being sold, for the same reason its about impossible to sell a DVD backup device.
Few could afford the legal costs.I also expect them to squelch the plans for them as 'forbidden knowledge' and if you are caught with that data, well, you go to jail as a terrorist or something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31551852</id>
	<title>Re:You're not the only one!</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1269077640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also, $99 for this Moby Tablet? Yeah, right. Maybe the bill of materials is $99, but I doubt even that. This thing stinks badly of being vaporware.</p></div><p>You clearly have no idea how much profit is made on this stuff.</p><p>In China, some companies sell full ATX motherboards retail for 199-299 yuan. That's about $35 USD. That includes assembly and parts costs, plus profit for the manufacturer and store/outlet.</p><p>The most expensive parts of this tablet would be the screen and shipping costs.</p><p>It's doable. Their profit won't be huge, but if they wanted to flood the market, they could. Marvell seems to have stuck to their word for the Sheevaplug, so maybe they'll manage it this time, too. They certainly have the capacity to do so. Often you can find Sheevaplug based plugs on sale for $59-$69 - or $99, but with way more features, like Wifi/eSata.</p><p>Oh, here's one: <a href="http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-32-guruplug-server-plus.aspx" title="globalscal...logies.com">http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-32-guruplug-server-plus.aspx</a> [globalscal...logies.com]</p><p>Gigabit ethernet. It could act as a router.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , $ 99 for this Moby Tablet ?
Yeah , right .
Maybe the bill of materials is $ 99 , but I doubt even that .
This thing stinks badly of being vaporware.You clearly have no idea how much profit is made on this stuff.In China , some companies sell full ATX motherboards retail for 199-299 yuan .
That 's about $ 35 USD .
That includes assembly and parts costs , plus profit for the manufacturer and store/outlet.The most expensive parts of this tablet would be the screen and shipping costs.It 's doable .
Their profit wo n't be huge , but if they wanted to flood the market , they could .
Marvell seems to have stuck to their word for the Sheevaplug , so maybe they 'll manage it this time , too .
They certainly have the capacity to do so .
Often you can find Sheevaplug based plugs on sale for $ 59- $ 69 - or $ 99 , but with way more features , like Wifi/eSata.Oh , here 's one : http : //www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-32-guruplug-server-plus.aspx [ globalscal...logies.com ] Gigabit ethernet .
It could act as a router .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, $99 for this Moby Tablet?
Yeah, right.
Maybe the bill of materials is $99, but I doubt even that.
This thing stinks badly of being vaporware.You clearly have no idea how much profit is made on this stuff.In China, some companies sell full ATX motherboards retail for 199-299 yuan.
That's about $35 USD.
That includes assembly and parts costs, plus profit for the manufacturer and store/outlet.The most expensive parts of this tablet would be the screen and shipping costs.It's doable.
Their profit won't be huge, but if they wanted to flood the market, they could.
Marvell seems to have stuck to their word for the Sheevaplug, so maybe they'll manage it this time, too.
They certainly have the capacity to do so.
Often you can find Sheevaplug based plugs on sale for $59-$69 - or $99, but with way more features, like Wifi/eSata.Oh, here's one: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-32-guruplug-server-plus.aspx [globalscal...logies.com]Gigabit ethernet.
It could act as a router.
;)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542252</id>
	<title>Re:Has anyone used a Pixel Qi screen to read a boo</title>
	<author>WaywardGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1269029640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check out Pixel Qi on youtube.  Better sunlight readability than e-ink, cheaper, larger displays, and with the backlight on, you can watch video in color.  With backlight off (e-ink mode), you battery can last days, not hours.  Still, not weeks like some e-ink products, but getting there.  So, I 100\% agree with you.  I don't want an iPad.  I want something like the <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5471559/notion-ink-adam-tablet-caught-on-video-specs-finalized" title="gizmodo.com">Notion Ink Adam</a> [gizmodo.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out Pixel Qi on youtube .
Better sunlight readability than e-ink , cheaper , larger displays , and with the backlight on , you can watch video in color .
With backlight off ( e-ink mode ) , you battery can last days , not hours .
Still , not weeks like some e-ink products , but getting there .
So , I 100 \ % agree with you .
I do n't want an iPad .
I want something like the Notion Ink Adam [ gizmodo.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out Pixel Qi on youtube.
Better sunlight readability than e-ink, cheaper, larger displays, and with the backlight on, you can watch video in color.
With backlight off (e-ink mode), you battery can last days, not hours.
Still, not weeks like some e-ink products, but getting there.
So, I 100\% agree with you.
I don't want an iPad.
I want something like the Notion Ink Adam [gizmodo.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540550</id>
	<title>Moby DICK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269022740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Suck my cock!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Suck my cock !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suck my cock!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541012</id>
	<title>will still need to buy</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1269024480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It could eliminate the need for students to buy and carry bound textbooks and an array of other tools.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Huh? "Carry" is one thing, "buy" is another. It's true that free textbooks exist (see my sig), but they are not yet all that popular in K-12 or colleges. California has a Free Digital Textbook Initiative for high schools, but it has not yet reshaped the landscape; the traditional commercial publishers are essentially sitting it out.
</p><p>
So I don't see why a cheap tablet would eliminate the need for students to buy textbooks. Publishers are already offering DRM'd electronic textbooks, at about the same price as print textbooks. K-12 schools that are using non-free books will still need to buy books for their kids. College students will still need to buy books.
</p><p>
Actually, the traditional publishers love DRM'd e-books, because it's a way for them to kill off the used book market. They can use the DRM to prevent you from selling your copy if you don't want it when you're done with the class.
</p><p>
The books I use in my physics courses at a community college are all free online as DRM-free PDFs. Even so, the vast majority of my students end up buying a printed copy. (I don't receive any royalty from the printed books. They're priced pretty cheap, about the same as photocopying.) Maybe some of them are not going digital because they can't afford a laptop, but I suspect that in most cases, they actually perceive a printed book as more convenient than an electronic one. Reading a book off the screen of a laptop is a pain in the ass. It's much nicer and easier to be able to see two full pages at once, in a large format, and to be able to riffle through pages.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It could eliminate the need for students to buy and carry bound textbooks and an array of other tools .
Huh ? " Carry " is one thing , " buy " is another .
It 's true that free textbooks exist ( see my sig ) , but they are not yet all that popular in K-12 or colleges .
California has a Free Digital Textbook Initiative for high schools , but it has not yet reshaped the landscape ; the traditional commercial publishers are essentially sitting it out .
So I do n't see why a cheap tablet would eliminate the need for students to buy textbooks .
Publishers are already offering DRM 'd electronic textbooks , at about the same price as print textbooks .
K-12 schools that are using non-free books will still need to buy books for their kids .
College students will still need to buy books .
Actually , the traditional publishers love DRM 'd e-books , because it 's a way for them to kill off the used book market .
They can use the DRM to prevent you from selling your copy if you do n't want it when you 're done with the class .
The books I use in my physics courses at a community college are all free online as DRM-free PDFs .
Even so , the vast majority of my students end up buying a printed copy .
( I do n't receive any royalty from the printed books .
They 're priced pretty cheap , about the same as photocopying .
) Maybe some of them are not going digital because they ca n't afford a laptop , but I suspect that in most cases , they actually perceive a printed book as more convenient than an electronic one .
Reading a book off the screen of a laptop is a pain in the ass .
It 's much nicer and easier to be able to see two full pages at once , in a large format , and to be able to riffle through pages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It could eliminate the need for students to buy and carry bound textbooks and an array of other tools.
Huh? "Carry" is one thing, "buy" is another.
It's true that free textbooks exist (see my sig), but they are not yet all that popular in K-12 or colleges.
California has a Free Digital Textbook Initiative for high schools, but it has not yet reshaped the landscape; the traditional commercial publishers are essentially sitting it out.
So I don't see why a cheap tablet would eliminate the need for students to buy textbooks.
Publishers are already offering DRM'd electronic textbooks, at about the same price as print textbooks.
K-12 schools that are using non-free books will still need to buy books for their kids.
College students will still need to buy books.
Actually, the traditional publishers love DRM'd e-books, because it's a way for them to kill off the used book market.
They can use the DRM to prevent you from selling your copy if you don't want it when you're done with the class.
The books I use in my physics courses at a community college are all free online as DRM-free PDFs.
Even so, the vast majority of my students end up buying a printed copy.
(I don't receive any royalty from the printed books.
They're priced pretty cheap, about the same as photocopying.
) Maybe some of them are not going digital because they can't afford a laptop, but I suspect that in most cases, they actually perceive a printed book as more convenient than an electronic one.
Reading a book off the screen of a laptop is a pain in the ass.
It's much nicer and easier to be able to see two full pages at once, in a large format, and to be able to riffle through pages.

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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542752</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>puto</author>
	<datestamp>1269032160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A real geek would know that Intel still hards a license to manfacturer Arm processors, and the Xscale was just that befor they sold it to Marvel, and that Intel is no stranger to the technology, as they developed a great deal of it when the won the intellectual property in a lawsuit, many moons ago.

Never discount Intel, they rest on their laurels and then come from behind hit one out of the park.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A real geek would know that Intel still hards a license to manfacturer Arm processors , and the Xscale was just that befor they sold it to Marvel , and that Intel is no stranger to the technology , as they developed a great deal of it when the won the intellectual property in a lawsuit , many moons ago .
Never discount Intel , they rest on their laurels and then come from behind hit one out of the park .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A real geek would know that Intel still hards a license to manfacturer Arm processors, and the Xscale was just that befor they sold it to Marvel, and that Intel is no stranger to the technology, as they developed a great deal of it when the won the intellectual property in a lawsuit, many moons ago.
Never discount Intel, they rest on their laurels and then come from behind hit one out of the park.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31545216</id>
	<title>Re:You're not the only one!</title>
	<author>5pp000</author>
	<datestamp>1268999580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you look at the Nokia N810?  Good battery life, check.  Runs Linux, check.  ARM, check.  Around $200, check.  Reads PDFs and other non-DRM ebooks, check.  Good screen resolution (800x480), check.  And, it has a physical keyboard and fits in a hip pouch -- I carry mine everywhere, which I couldn't do with a tablet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you look at the Nokia N810 ?
Good battery life , check .
Runs Linux , check .
ARM , check .
Around $ 200 , check .
Reads PDFs and other non-DRM ebooks , check .
Good screen resolution ( 800x480 ) , check .
And , it has a physical keyboard and fits in a hip pouch -- I carry mine everywhere , which I could n't do with a tablet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you look at the Nokia N810?
Good battery life, check.
Runs Linux, check.
ARM, check.
Around $200, check.
Reads PDFs and other non-DRM ebooks, check.
Good screen resolution (800x480), check.
And, it has a physical keyboard and fits in a hip pouch -- I carry mine everywhere, which I couldn't do with a tablet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540962</id>
	<title>A whole year?</title>
	<author>adonoman</author>
	<datestamp>1269024300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A whole year's worth of books is what? 30 MB?  They'll be paying a premium just to find flash memory small enough that it would support a year's worth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A whole year 's worth of books is what ?
30 MB ?
They 'll be paying a premium just to find flash memory small enough that it would support a year 's worth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A whole year's worth of books is what?
30 MB?
They'll be paying a premium just to find flash memory small enough that it would support a year's worth.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541674</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1269027240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But you can play games as well on a laptop</htmltext>
<tokenext>But you can play games as well on a laptop</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But you can play games as well on a laptop</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540794</id>
	<title>Re:Good deal!</title>
	<author>marcansoft</author>
	<datestamp>1269023640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Optimus Maximus isn't vapourware these days, it's just unaffordableware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Optimus Maximus is n't vapourware these days , it 's just unaffordableware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Optimus Maximus isn't vapourware these days, it's just unaffordableware.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541582</id>
	<title>Re:Attractive, 'cept the tightest DRM lockdown EVA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269026820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or...  maybe we don't need the publishers to create and distribute decent textbooks anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or... maybe we do n't need the publishers to create and distribute decent textbooks anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or...  maybe we don't need the publishers to create and distribute decent textbooks anymore.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31542202</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>Paracelcus</author>
	<datestamp>1269029400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or any one of the $200.00 ebook readers on the market?<br>Small, pocket sized (big pocket), weeks of battery life (e-ink display), multiple format compatibility.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or any one of the $ 200.00 ebook readers on the market ? Small , pocket sized ( big pocket ) , weeks of battery life ( e-ink display ) , multiple format compatibility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or any one of the $200.00 ebook readers on the market?Small, pocket sized (big pocket), weeks of battery life (e-ink display), multiple format compatibility.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540824</id>
	<title>epaper  table</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269023760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would rather use E-Paper, tables are good and all but they are hard on the eyes after a while.<br>http://novelwhore.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/e-paper.jpg</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would rather use E-Paper , tables are good and all but they are hard on the eyes after a while.http : //novelwhore.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/e-paper.jpg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would rather use E-Paper, tables are good and all but they are hard on the eyes after a while.http://novelwhore.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/e-paper.jpg</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540784</id>
	<title>Has anyone used a Pixel Qi screen to read a book?</title>
	<author>Viewsonic</author>
	<datestamp>1269023580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't seem to find too much info, their site says it rivals E-Ink, which would be really cool if true.</p><p>Anyone? Anyone? If you're going to be reading that much with a screen, you pretty much need the equivalent of E-Ink.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't seem to find too much info , their site says it rivals E-Ink , which would be really cool if true.Anyone ?
Anyone ? If you 're going to be reading that much with a screen , you pretty much need the equivalent of E-Ink .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't seem to find too much info, their site says it rivals E-Ink, which would be really cool if true.Anyone?
Anyone? If you're going to be reading that much with a screen, you pretty much need the equivalent of E-Ink.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31543094</id>
	<title>Where's the resolution?</title>
	<author>Princeofcups</author>
	<datestamp>1268990340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's good that readers are getting better, but they are still nowhere near the 300+ dpi of the printed page.  Any large table or graphic just doesn't work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's good that readers are getting better , but they are still nowhere near the 300 + dpi of the printed page .
Any large table or graphic just does n't work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's good that readers are getting better, but they are still nowhere near the 300+ dpi of the printed page.
Any large table or graphic just doesn't work.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541992</id>
	<title>Re:Is anyone else getting tired of reading about..</title>
	<author>WaywardGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1269028560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You make a decent point.  The Nvidia Tegra processor, QualCom Snapdragon, and TI something-or-other, are all fine ARM processors for multi-touch slates, yet no respectable manufacturer (I'm not including Apple as "respectable"), has even announced a device based on this.</p><p>My brother-in-law works at Dell, and while he may take issue with how I paraphrase him, what I heard was "Dell doesn't innovate.  Instead, we wait for others to prove the market first, and then crush them with our manufacturing capabilities."  The big players, like Dell and HP, are waiting for the equivalent of the Asus EEE PC in the ARM based tablet/slate space.  Once an off-brand has dominated the market, they'll follow like lemmings.  In the meantime, early adopters will need to buy products like "Notion Ink Atom" from some random group of entrepreneurial Indians, or this Marvell thingy.  Honestly, I think the big players look to Apple for innovation.  MacBook Air?  How about a nice Dell netbook for 1/4 the price?  iPad?  How about a Dell slate for $150?  At least we have that great A-hole Steve Jobs to help our corporations find their way...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You make a decent point .
The Nvidia Tegra processor , QualCom Snapdragon , and TI something-or-other , are all fine ARM processors for multi-touch slates , yet no respectable manufacturer ( I 'm not including Apple as " respectable " ) , has even announced a device based on this.My brother-in-law works at Dell , and while he may take issue with how I paraphrase him , what I heard was " Dell does n't innovate .
Instead , we wait for others to prove the market first , and then crush them with our manufacturing capabilities .
" The big players , like Dell and HP , are waiting for the equivalent of the Asus EEE PC in the ARM based tablet/slate space .
Once an off-brand has dominated the market , they 'll follow like lemmings .
In the meantime , early adopters will need to buy products like " Notion Ink Atom " from some random group of entrepreneurial Indians , or this Marvell thingy .
Honestly , I think the big players look to Apple for innovation .
MacBook Air ?
How about a nice Dell netbook for 1/4 the price ?
iPad ? How about a Dell slate for $ 150 ?
At least we have that great A-hole Steve Jobs to help our corporations find their way.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You make a decent point.
The Nvidia Tegra processor, QualCom Snapdragon, and TI something-or-other, are all fine ARM processors for multi-touch slates, yet no respectable manufacturer (I'm not including Apple as "respectable"), has even announced a device based on this.My brother-in-law works at Dell, and while he may take issue with how I paraphrase him, what I heard was "Dell doesn't innovate.
Instead, we wait for others to prove the market first, and then crush them with our manufacturing capabilities.
"  The big players, like Dell and HP, are waiting for the equivalent of the Asus EEE PC in the ARM based tablet/slate space.
Once an off-brand has dominated the market, they'll follow like lemmings.
In the meantime, early adopters will need to buy products like "Notion Ink Atom" from some random group of entrepreneurial Indians, or this Marvell thingy.
Honestly, I think the big players look to Apple for innovation.
MacBook Air?
How about a nice Dell netbook for 1/4 the price?
iPad?  How about a Dell slate for $150?
At least we have that great A-hole Steve Jobs to help our corporations find their way...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541612</id>
	<title>I'm happy to see the technical achievement, BUT...</title>
	<author>Lead Butthead</author>
	<datestamp>1269026940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm happy to see the technical achievement for what it is, but I am worried that the purported text books would change daily (updated by WiFi or some wireless means) to fit the revealing political views. Ministry of Truth, anyone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm happy to see the technical achievement for what it is , but I am worried that the purported text books would change daily ( updated by WiFi or some wireless means ) to fit the revealing political views .
Ministry of Truth , anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm happy to see the technical achievement for what it is, but I am worried that the purported text books would change daily (updated by WiFi or some wireless means) to fit the revealing political views.
Ministry of Truth, anyone?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31547056</id>
	<title>Re:Attractive, 'cept the tightest DRM lockdown EVA</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1269015720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How long has PDF been around for? And is it really so difficult to convert between one format and another?<br>Honestly, this is the chicken and the egg problem. If publishers were to simply pick a format, that's what you'd see readers supporting. And most uni students will be using tablet PCs running full operating systems, so even if the format isn't supported out of the box it'll take ~5 min to find and download the required program.<br>Just give us the data in some digital format, it doesn't matter which. We'll do the rest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How long has PDF been around for ?
And is it really so difficult to convert between one format and another ? Honestly , this is the chicken and the egg problem .
If publishers were to simply pick a format , that 's what you 'd see readers supporting .
And most uni students will be using tablet PCs running full operating systems , so even if the format is n't supported out of the box it 'll take ~ 5 min to find and download the required program.Just give us the data in some digital format , it does n't matter which .
We 'll do the rest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long has PDF been around for?
And is it really so difficult to convert between one format and another?Honestly, this is the chicken and the egg problem.
If publishers were to simply pick a format, that's what you'd see readers supporting.
And most uni students will be using tablet PCs running full operating systems, so even if the format isn't supported out of the box it'll take ~5 min to find and download the required program.Just give us the data in some digital format, it doesn't matter which.
We'll do the rest.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31540596</id>
	<title>Or...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269022920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about just letting me load the textbooks onto the laptop I already carry around?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about just letting me load the textbooks onto the laptop I already carry around ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about just letting me load the textbooks onto the laptop I already carry around?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1521241.31541058</id>
	<title>I wish they could add</title>
	<author>Admirer</author>
	<datestamp>1269024600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) A cell phone module<br>2) 2 swapable batteries<br>3) A charger to charge the spare battery from regular outlet and/or USB.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) A cell phone module2 ) 2 swapable batteries3 ) A charger to charge the spare battery from regular outlet and/or USB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) A cell phone module2) 2 swapable batteries3) A charger to charge the spare battery from regular outlet and/or USB.</sentencetext>
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