<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_19_1414201</id>
	<title>Google Reported Ready To Leave China April 10</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1269016380000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>A number of readers including tsj5j and bruleriestdenis wrote to alert us to this CNET story: <i>"Google is expected to announce on Monday that it will <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023\_3-20000757-93.html">withdraw from China on April 10</a>, according to a report in a Beijing-based newspaper that cited an unidentified sales associate who works with the company. 'I have received information saying that Google will leave China on April 10, but this information has not at present been confirmed by Google,' the China Business News quoted the agent as saying. The report also said Google would reveal its plans for its China-based staff that day."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>A number of readers including tsj5j and bruleriestdenis wrote to alert us to this CNET story : " Google is expected to announce on Monday that it will withdraw from China on April 10 , according to a report in a Beijing-based newspaper that cited an unidentified sales associate who works with the company .
'I have received information saying that Google will leave China on April 10 , but this information has not at present been confirmed by Google, ' the China Business News quoted the agent as saying .
The report also said Google would reveal its plans for its China-based staff that day .
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<sentencetext>A number of readers including tsj5j and bruleriestdenis wrote to alert us to this CNET story: "Google is expected to announce on Monday that it will withdraw from China on April 10, according to a report in a Beijing-based newspaper that cited an unidentified sales associate who works with the company.
'I have received information saying that Google will leave China on April 10, but this information has not at present been confirmed by Google,' the China Business News quoted the agent as saying.
The report also said Google would reveal its plans for its China-based staff that day.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541364</id>
	<title>Re:Apirl?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269025860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I really they'd had said April 1st instead. That would have foxed everyone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div><p>if they have other stuff to announce on 1 april, then maybe better not to have this cluttering the newspapers' tech section on same day</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really they 'd had said April 1st instead .
That would have foxed everyone : ) if they have other stuff to announce on 1 april , then maybe better not to have this cluttering the newspapers ' tech section on same day</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really they'd had said April 1st instead.
That would have foxed everyone :)if they have other stuff to announce on 1 april, then maybe better not to have this cluttering the newspapers' tech section on same day
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540164</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31542440</id>
	<title>Re:The source is a salesperson</title>
	<author>Random BedHead Ed</author>
	<datestamp>1269030660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The sales department sometimes need to know things before other departments.</p></div><p>I've seen this before. Management is obviously the first to know, and the first department that Management tells is Sales, followed by HR (since HR needs to plan the transition). Marketing finds out next because a guy from HR wants an excuse to talk to all the hot chicks at once, and this news provides that excuse. The information then gradually trickles down through the other departments in a largely uncontrolled way. Finally it occurs to someone to tell IT. "We need to fail over your servers to another country this afternoon because the office is closing. Sorry, should have mentioned it in January. That won't be a problem, will it?"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The sales department sometimes need to know things before other departments.I 've seen this before .
Management is obviously the first to know , and the first department that Management tells is Sales , followed by HR ( since HR needs to plan the transition ) .
Marketing finds out next because a guy from HR wants an excuse to talk to all the hot chicks at once , and this news provides that excuse .
The information then gradually trickles down through the other departments in a largely uncontrolled way .
Finally it occurs to someone to tell IT .
" We need to fail over your servers to another country this afternoon because the office is closing .
Sorry , should have mentioned it in January .
That wo n't be a problem , will it ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sales department sometimes need to know things before other departments.I've seen this before.
Management is obviously the first to know, and the first department that Management tells is Sales, followed by HR (since HR needs to plan the transition).
Marketing finds out next because a guy from HR wants an excuse to talk to all the hot chicks at once, and this news provides that excuse.
The information then gradually trickles down through the other departments in a largely uncontrolled way.
Finally it occurs to someone to tell IT.
"We need to fail over your servers to another country this afternoon because the office is closing.
Sorry, should have mentioned it in January.
That won't be a problem, will it?
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539992</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31542684</id>
	<title>Re:The source is a salesperson</title>
	<author>jadin</author>
	<datestamp>1269031800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My tin foil hat suggested this was a deliberate leak by China to hurt Google. Although I'm not sure exactly what this would accomplish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My tin foil hat suggested this was a deliberate leak by China to hurt Google .
Although I 'm not sure exactly what this would accomplish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My tin foil hat suggested this was a deliberate leak by China to hurt Google.
Although I'm not sure exactly what this would accomplish.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540046</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541512</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269026520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An American corporation showing concern for its employees? That's downright Un-American. The only concern for a publicly listed coporation is the bottom line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An American corporation showing concern for its employees ?
That 's downright Un-American .
The only concern for a publicly listed coporation is the bottom line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An American corporation showing concern for its employees?
That's downright Un-American.
The only concern for a publicly listed coporation is the bottom line.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540010</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540552</id>
	<title>Re:The source is a salesperson</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1269022740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless intended - what better way to Pressure China to change its ways then to threaten to leave. Made the news the world over for a week.</p><p>Now, they've been given 3 days to change their mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless intended - what better way to Pressure China to change its ways then to threaten to leave .
Made the news the world over for a week.Now , they 've been given 3 days to change their mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless intended - what better way to Pressure China to change its ways then to threaten to leave.
Made the news the world over for a week.Now, they've been given 3 days to change their mind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540046</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540234</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269021540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>With good right your worried.  I am too.  They are people too.  Loosing a good job working for Google will have serious financial issues for the people in China.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With good right your worried .
I am too .
They are people too .
Loosing a good job working for Google will have serious financial issues for the people in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With good right your worried.
I am too.
They are people too.
Loosing a good job working for Google will have serious financial issues for the people in China.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539742</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540262</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269021600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I heard their key employees have already been hired by Baidu, MS and Alibaba several weeks ago.  Google.cn had to hire new people two weeks ago to keep the company running.  And top three managers of google.cn decided to start their own search business.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard their key employees have already been hired by Baidu , MS and Alibaba several weeks ago .
Google.cn had to hire new people two weeks ago to keep the company running .
And top three managers of google.cn decided to start their own search business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard their key employees have already been hired by Baidu, MS and Alibaba several weeks ago.
Google.cn had to hire new people two weeks ago to keep the company running.
And top three managers of google.cn decided to start their own search business.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539742</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540074</id>
	<title>Re:What does it mean to "leave"?</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1269021000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>My understanding is that they aren't planning on closing their offices in China, they are merely planning on closing down their chinese search engine.  It is the requirement to censor that is really bothering them, and they are not going to do it anymore.<br> <br>
They still will keep their advertising department open, and whatever other programming they do  (it's such a pain to start an office in China that it's not a bad idea to keep a small office there, in case you ever do decide to start doing something there, it won't take six months of bribing people to get all the permits etc).</htmltext>
<tokenext>My understanding is that they are n't planning on closing their offices in China , they are merely planning on closing down their chinese search engine .
It is the requirement to censor that is really bothering them , and they are not going to do it anymore .
They still will keep their advertising department open , and whatever other programming they do ( it 's such a pain to start an office in China that it 's not a bad idea to keep a small office there , in case you ever do decide to start doing something there , it wo n't take six months of bribing people to get all the permits etc ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My understanding is that they aren't planning on closing their offices in China, they are merely planning on closing down their chinese search engine.
It is the requirement to censor that is really bothering them, and they are not going to do it anymore.
They still will keep their advertising department open, and whatever other programming they do  (it's such a pain to start an office in China that it's not a bad idea to keep a small office there, in case you ever do decide to start doing something there, it won't take six months of bribing people to get all the permits etc).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539784</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539780</id>
	<title>I'm with Google.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269020160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I support Google in this. Censorship is BS and should never be tolerated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I support Google in this .
Censorship is BS and should never be tolerated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I support Google in this.
Censorship is BS and should never be tolerated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31542266</id>
	<title>Pity it wasn't six days earlier</title>
	<author>overshoot</author>
	<datestamp>1269029700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Somehow 4/04 seems appropriate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Somehow 4/04 seems appropriate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somehow 4/04 seems appropriate.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539794</id>
	<title>bad memories</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269020160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>America is leaving SE Asia again? Its nam all over again man!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>America is leaving SE Asia again ?
Its nam all over again man !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America is leaving SE Asia again?
Its nam all over again man!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540224</id>
	<title>If this is true.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269021480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If this is really going to occur, it's huge.  Getting the Kiss Of Death from Google is tantamount to getting kicked off the information superhighway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this is really going to occur , it 's huge .
Getting the Kiss Of Death from Google is tantamount to getting kicked off the information superhighway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this is really going to occur, it's huge.
Getting the Kiss Of Death from Google is tantamount to getting kicked off the information superhighway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540424</id>
	<title>Re:The source is a salesperson</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1269022200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Either way - doesn't it seem a little ridiculous to report that their will be an announcement a few days away regarding a plan to take place a week or two after?</p><p>It's like - if Google had actually decided to pull out by now, don't you think they might have done so?</p><p>Maybe they haven't yet settled on it, and they're either double checking their math, or waiting for a response by Monday for something.</p><p>If the Chinese have any benefit from Google at all - wouldn't it put the heat on them to leak info that they might announce their departure a few days before the announcement?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Either way - does n't it seem a little ridiculous to report that their will be an announcement a few days away regarding a plan to take place a week or two after ? It 's like - if Google had actually decided to pull out by now , do n't you think they might have done so ? Maybe they have n't yet settled on it , and they 're either double checking their math , or waiting for a response by Monday for something.If the Chinese have any benefit from Google at all - would n't it put the heat on them to leak info that they might announce their departure a few days before the announcement ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either way - doesn't it seem a little ridiculous to report that their will be an announcement a few days away regarding a plan to take place a week or two after?It's like - if Google had actually decided to pull out by now, don't you think they might have done so?Maybe they haven't yet settled on it, and they're either double checking their math, or waiting for a response by Monday for something.If the Chinese have any benefit from Google at all - wouldn't it put the heat on them to leak info that they might announce their departure a few days before the announcement?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539778</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540578</id>
	<title>Re:What does it mean to "leave"?</title>
	<author>Primitive Pete</author>
	<datestamp>1269022800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Leave = move assets to somewhere else.

If was was Google, making what might possibly be a departure statement on April 10, I'd make sure that my critical assets were safe before, say, March 1.  I don't want to donate my IP to the Chinese government (or any other, for that matter).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Leave = move assets to somewhere else .
If was was Google , making what might possibly be a departure statement on April 10 , I 'd make sure that my critical assets were safe before , say , March 1 .
I do n't want to donate my IP to the Chinese government ( or any other , for that matter ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leave = move assets to somewhere else.
If was was Google, making what might possibly be a departure statement on April 10, I'd make sure that my critical assets were safe before, say, March 1.
I don't want to donate my IP to the Chinese government (or any other, for that matter).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539784</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31544948</id>
	<title>China is PURE EVIL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268998380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Screw them!  Pay the former Google workers, promise them permanent work visa to leave the country and set up Freedom-China web sites from outside China and inform people how to overthrow their cruel government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw them !
Pay the former Google workers , promise them permanent work visa to leave the country and set up Freedom-China web sites from outside China and inform people how to overthrow their cruel government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw them!
Pay the former Google workers, promise them permanent work visa to leave the country and set up Freedom-China web sites from outside China and inform people how to overthrow their cruel government.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541554</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>Bearhouse</author>
	<datestamp>1269026700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Expect Choogle to come online by the end of April, in direct competition with Google.</p></div><p>Well, it already exists; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baidu" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baidu</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>The only problem is, a lot of people in China find Google better for some purposes, (including party members, according to a report I heard).</p><p>You'd better believe that if the Chinese Gov did not want Google to stay, they would have already thrown them out...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Expect Choogle to come online by the end of April , in direct competition with Google.Well , it already exists ; http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baidu [ wikipedia.org ] The only problem is , a lot of people in China find Google better for some purposes , ( including party members , according to a report I heard ) .You 'd better believe that if the Chinese Gov did not want Google to stay , they would have already thrown them out.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Expect Choogle to come online by the end of April, in direct competition with Google.Well, it already exists; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baidu [wikipedia.org]The only problem is, a lot of people in China find Google better for some purposes, (including party members, according to a report I heard).You'd better believe that if the Chinese Gov did not want Google to stay, they would have already thrown them out...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539878</id>
	<title>Google</title>
	<author>Krneki</author>
	<datestamp>1269020460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Kudos to Google for showing the middle finger to the Chinese politicians.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Kudos to Google for showing the middle finger to the Chinese politicians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kudos to Google for showing the middle finger to the Chinese politicians.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31542534</id>
	<title>China will be fine with out Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269031080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Odds are China has backwards engineered what they needed from the search engine. They will "rehire" all the Google China staff when Google leave and make there own Google. Just like they do with John Deer lawnmowers and every new piece of equipment that lands on their shipping docks. reverse engineer it and start making it for themselves. China is know for having two whole manufacturing plants for the same product. One by the "owner" of the copyrights and one that makes the same product but for china only.</p><p>China will have their Google and how they want it, big brother and all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Odds are China has backwards engineered what they needed from the search engine .
They will " rehire " all the Google China staff when Google leave and make there own Google .
Just like they do with John Deer lawnmowers and every new piece of equipment that lands on their shipping docks .
reverse engineer it and start making it for themselves .
China is know for having two whole manufacturing plants for the same product .
One by the " owner " of the copyrights and one that makes the same product but for china only.China will have their Google and how they want it , big brother and all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Odds are China has backwards engineered what they needed from the search engine.
They will "rehire" all the Google China staff when Google leave and make there own Google.
Just like they do with John Deer lawnmowers and every new piece of equipment that lands on their shipping docks.
reverse engineer it and start making it for themselves.
China is know for having two whole manufacturing plants for the same product.
One by the "owner" of the copyrights and one that makes the same product but for china only.China will have their Google and how they want it, big brother and all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31543610</id>
	<title>Think of the servers...</title>
	<author>Stu101</author>
	<datestamp>1268992320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A thought just occurred to me. They probably have a LOT of servers there with a lot of info on them. I just hope they destroyed the disks in them because that information could be very useful to not only identify people searching for "bad" things but also the source code and such that resides on those databases. They are probably worth their weight in gold.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A thought just occurred to me .
They probably have a LOT of servers there with a lot of info on them .
I just hope they destroyed the disks in them because that information could be very useful to not only identify people searching for " bad " things but also the source code and such that resides on those databases .
They are probably worth their weight in gold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A thought just occurred to me.
They probably have a LOT of servers there with a lot of info on them.
I just hope they destroyed the disks in them because that information could be very useful to not only identify people searching for "bad" things but also the source code and such that resides on those databases.
They are probably worth their weight in gold.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540096</id>
	<title>Re:It's time to chew bubble gum and kick ass...</title>
	<author>greenguy</author>
	<datestamp>1269021060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude, do you know how much money Google has? They never run out of <i>anything</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , do you know how much money Google has ?
They never run out of anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, do you know how much money Google has?
They never run out of anything.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539752</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541286</id>
	<title>Re:Google's No Freedom Fighter</title>
	<author>0xABADC0DA</author>
	<datestamp>1269025500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An alternative theory is that Google originally thought it's value was in its employees, so even if somebody stole their technology and methods it wouldn't matter much.  But now they realize that another company using their code and methods could easily out compete them with some help from the government or better cultural understanding.  And the only way to protect your stuff from China is to not locate it in China.</p><p>In other words, Google now believes its future rests on leveraging network effects from its properties and not from innovation.  They will continue to innovate as there are some smart productive people working there, but strategically their future will rest on buying out new competitors and 'cutting off the air supply' of those it can't buy out.  Of course, being a marketing company they will have some friendlier term for it, maybe something 'stealing their Buzz' or 'spamming their blog'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An alternative theory is that Google originally thought it 's value was in its employees , so even if somebody stole their technology and methods it would n't matter much .
But now they realize that another company using their code and methods could easily out compete them with some help from the government or better cultural understanding .
And the only way to protect your stuff from China is to not locate it in China.In other words , Google now believes its future rests on leveraging network effects from its properties and not from innovation .
They will continue to innovate as there are some smart productive people working there , but strategically their future will rest on buying out new competitors and 'cutting off the air supply ' of those it ca n't buy out .
Of course , being a marketing company they will have some friendlier term for it , maybe something 'stealing their Buzz ' or 'spamming their blog' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An alternative theory is that Google originally thought it's value was in its employees, so even if somebody stole their technology and methods it wouldn't matter much.
But now they realize that another company using their code and methods could easily out compete them with some help from the government or better cultural understanding.
And the only way to protect your stuff from China is to not locate it in China.In other words, Google now believes its future rests on leveraging network effects from its properties and not from innovation.
They will continue to innovate as there are some smart productive people working there, but strategically their future will rest on buying out new competitors and 'cutting off the air supply' of those it can't buy out.
Of course, being a marketing company they will have some friendlier term for it, maybe something 'stealing their Buzz' or 'spamming their blog'.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540104</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541900</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>blackraven14250</author>
	<datestamp>1269028200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's funny is that in another post, they mention numbers of higher-ups from Google China already leaving, either to Baidu or to start their own search engines. You're shocked, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's funny is that in another post , they mention numbers of higher-ups from Google China already leaving , either to Baidu or to start their own search engines .
You 're shocked , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's funny is that in another post, they mention numbers of higher-ups from Google China already leaving, either to Baidu or to start their own search engines.
You're shocked, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539992</id>
	<title>Re:The source is a salesperson</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269020760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The sales department sometimes need to know things before other departments.  Pushing hard to secure a large deal with an influential customer, only for head office to announce the product is canceled the next day, tends to make your organisation look like a bit of a goose.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The sales department sometimes need to know things before other departments .
Pushing hard to secure a large deal with an influential customer , only for head office to announce the product is canceled the next day , tends to make your organisation look like a bit of a goose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sales department sometimes need to know things before other departments.
Pushing hard to secure a large deal with an influential customer, only for head office to announce the product is canceled the next day, tends to make your organisation look like a bit of a goose.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539778</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541140</id>
	<title>Re:I'm with Google.</title>
	<author>waspleg</author>
	<datestamp>1269024900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you say, both anonymously and with delicious irony, on a heavily moderated forum. el oh el.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you say , both anonymously and with delicious irony , on a heavily moderated forum .
el oh el .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you say, both anonymously and with delicious irony, on a heavily moderated forum.
el oh el.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539780</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541304</id>
	<title>Re:It's time to chew bubble gum and kick ass...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269025620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Way to fuck up the quote dude.</p><p>"Its time to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all outta gum"</p><p>http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Duke\_Nukem</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Way to fuck up the quote dude .
" Its time to kick ass and chew bubble gum , and I 'm all outta gum " http : //en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Duke \ _Nukem</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way to fuck up the quote dude.
"Its time to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all outta gum"http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Duke\_Nukem
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539752</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540168</id>
	<title>Re:It's time to chew bubble gum and kick ass...</title>
	<author>thijsh</author>
	<datestamp>1269021360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Chinese will be back wearing sunglasses...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chinese will be back wearing sunglasses.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chinese will be back wearing sunglasses...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539752</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540144</id>
	<title>Re:The source is a salesperson</title>
	<author>Loconut1389</author>
	<datestamp>1269021300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>intentional potentially deniable leak to test the waters?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>intentional potentially deniable leak to test the waters ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>intentional potentially deniable leak to test the waters?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539778</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31549882</id>
	<title>China to Google:</title>
	<author>denelson83</author>
	<datestamp>1269104880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Do n't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541966</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>trapnest</author>
	<datestamp>1269028500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What the crap is a "ppl"? Why is your post decently written except that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What the crap is a " ppl " ?
Why is your post decently written except that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the crap is a "ppl"?
Why is your post decently written except that?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540990</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31543656</id>
	<title>Re:Google's No Freedom Fighter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268992440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you try to copy someone else's +5 post from a similar story posted to Slashdot a few weeks ago, do it better next time.</p><p><a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1581834&amp;cid=31466920" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1581834&amp;cid=31466920</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>Busted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you try to copy someone else 's + 5 post from a similar story posted to Slashdot a few weeks ago , do it better next time.http : //slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1581834&amp;cid = 31466920 [ slashdot.org ] Busted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you try to copy someone else's +5 post from a similar story posted to Slashdot a few weeks ago, do it better next time.http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1581834&amp;cid=31466920 [slashdot.org]Busted.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540104</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539908</id>
	<title>They won't leave</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269020520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google is not going to leave China. They didn't even file a complaint with the Chinese government. The whole thing is just drama + propaganda.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google is not going to leave China .
They did n't even file a complaint with the Chinese government .
The whole thing is just drama + propaganda .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google is not going to leave China.
They didn't even file a complaint with the Chinese government.
The whole thing is just drama + propaganda.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540792</id>
	<title>Re:Google's No Freedom Fighter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269023640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The US founding fathers weren't freedom fighters either?   They didn't come to this decision because they found their moral compass all of a sudden--otherwise they wouldn't have been ok with paying taxes and lacking representation within the British government in the first place.  Like any other colonists, they were attracted to the America by the money and the audience, but after finding out the government was all too willing to help the loyalists, they re-evaluated their decision.  The 'intolerable acts' may have been the breaking point, but it may just as well have been a convenient event for the revolutionaries to justify their standoff with the government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US founding fathers were n't freedom fighters either ?
They did n't come to this decision because they found their moral compass all of a sudden--otherwise they would n't have been ok with paying taxes and lacking representation within the British government in the first place .
Like any other colonists , they were attracted to the America by the money and the audience , but after finding out the government was all too willing to help the loyalists , they re-evaluated their decision .
The 'intolerable acts ' may have been the breaking point , but it may just as well have been a convenient event for the revolutionaries to justify their standoff with the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US founding fathers weren't freedom fighters either?
They didn't come to this decision because they found their moral compass all of a sudden--otherwise they wouldn't have been ok with paying taxes and lacking representation within the British government in the first place.
Like any other colonists, they were attracted to the America by the money and the audience, but after finding out the government was all too willing to help the loyalists, they re-evaluated their decision.
The 'intolerable acts' may have been the breaking point, but it may just as well have been a convenient event for the revolutionaries to justify their standoff with the government.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540104</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540256</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269021600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking as someone with ties to the Chinese government, I can confirm that they will be murdered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking as someone with ties to the Chinese government , I can confirm that they will be murdered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking as someone with ties to the Chinese government, I can confirm that they will be murdered.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539742</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539852</id>
	<title>The (more literal) China way of termination?</title>
	<author>sethstorm</author>
	<datestamp>1269020400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"The report also said Google would reveal its plans for its China-based staff that day."</p></div><p>Literal termination of life, courtesy of the Chinese military &amp; police?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The report also said Google would reveal its plans for its China-based staff that day .
" Literal termination of life , courtesy of the Chinese military &amp; police ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The report also said Google would reveal its plans for its China-based staff that day.
"Literal termination of life, courtesy of the Chinese military &amp; police?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31569904</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269276960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I heard their key employees already worked for the government of China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard their key employees already worked for the government of China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard their key employees already worked for the government of China.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540262</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541036</id>
	<title>Why April 2nd?</title>
	<author>NevarMore</author>
	<datestamp>1269024540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Methinks this is an April Fools Joke.</p><p>Mod me up or you are the other kind of person.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Methinks this is an April Fools Joke.Mod me up or you are the other kind of person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Methinks this is an April Fools Joke.Mod me up or you are the other kind of person.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540902</id>
	<title>Re:I'm with Google.</title>
	<author>eln</author>
	<datestamp>1269024060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google has taken substantial hits to their goodwill lately with their stance on privacy and an ever-growing concern that they've become stewards of vast stores of personal data without any guarantees that it will never be misused.  Of course, Google's entire business model depends on people handing over their personal data, so goodwill is a hugely important asset to them.
<br> <br>
Google is hoping to regain some of that goodwill with a highly public stance against Chinese censorship, at the cost of what is so far a relatively small market for them.  I would imagine they're hoping they'll be able to sneak back into China quietly at some point in the future.  Best case for them would be that China actually responds to the pressure and quietly dismantles their Great Firewall 5 years from now, but Google will likely be back there whether they do or not.  China is a relatively small market for them now, but the potential is too big for a publicly traded company to ignore forever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google has taken substantial hits to their goodwill lately with their stance on privacy and an ever-growing concern that they 've become stewards of vast stores of personal data without any guarantees that it will never be misused .
Of course , Google 's entire business model depends on people handing over their personal data , so goodwill is a hugely important asset to them .
Google is hoping to regain some of that goodwill with a highly public stance against Chinese censorship , at the cost of what is so far a relatively small market for them .
I would imagine they 're hoping they 'll be able to sneak back into China quietly at some point in the future .
Best case for them would be that China actually responds to the pressure and quietly dismantles their Great Firewall 5 years from now , but Google will likely be back there whether they do or not .
China is a relatively small market for them now , but the potential is too big for a publicly traded company to ignore forever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google has taken substantial hits to their goodwill lately with their stance on privacy and an ever-growing concern that they've become stewards of vast stores of personal data without any guarantees that it will never be misused.
Of course, Google's entire business model depends on people handing over their personal data, so goodwill is a hugely important asset to them.
Google is hoping to regain some of that goodwill with a highly public stance against Chinese censorship, at the cost of what is so far a relatively small market for them.
I would imagine they're hoping they'll be able to sneak back into China quietly at some point in the future.
Best case for them would be that China actually responds to the pressure and quietly dismantles their Great Firewall 5 years from now, but Google will likely be back there whether they do or not.
China is a relatively small market for them now, but the potential is too big for a publicly traded company to ignore forever.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539780</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539778</id>
	<title>The source is a salesperson</title>
	<author>dracocat</author>
	<datestamp>1269020100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why on earth would a salesperson at google be in the know on this one?</p><p>My guess is a memo or something went out saying they would have a meeting on April 10th to discuss things, and the rumor mill starting going full speed inside the department about what it was about.</p><p>I just find it hard to believe that Google's sales department would be let in on too much information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why on earth would a salesperson at google be in the know on this one ? My guess is a memo or something went out saying they would have a meeting on April 10th to discuss things , and the rumor mill starting going full speed inside the department about what it was about.I just find it hard to believe that Google 's sales department would be let in on too much information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why on earth would a salesperson at google be in the know on this one?My guess is a memo or something went out saying they would have a meeting on April 10th to discuss things, and the rumor mill starting going full speed inside the department about what it was about.I just find it hard to believe that Google's sales department would be let in on too much information.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31543988</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268994000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks for tagging your post outside of the signature Ryvar, also your homepage is mad cool in the 'i-discovered-ASCII-art-in-1998' sense. Tool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for tagging your post outside of the signature Ryvar , also your homepage is mad cool in the 'i-discovered-ASCII-art-in-1998 ' sense .
Tool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for tagging your post outside of the signature Ryvar, also your homepage is mad cool in the 'i-discovered-ASCII-art-in-1998' sense.
Tool.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540010</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31543388</id>
	<title>Lithuanian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268991360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please do not bomb China afterwards, I like their food<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;d</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please do not bomb China afterwards , I like their food ; d</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please do not bomb China afterwards, I like their food ;d</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31542334</id>
	<title>The term you're looking for</title>
	<author>overshoot</author>
	<datestamp>1269030120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>Why on earth would a salesperson at google be in the know on this one?</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>

is "controlled leak."  Politicians have been using it since before I started paying attention in the Johnson administration.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why on earth would a salesperson at google be in the know on this one ?
is " controlled leak .
" Politicians have been using it since before I started paying attention in the Johnson administration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Why on earth would a salesperson at google be in the know on this one?
is "controlled leak.
"  Politicians have been using it since before I started paying attention in the Johnson administration.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539778</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31545786</id>
	<title>Re:The source is a salesperson</title>
	<author>wiredlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1269003300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I just find it hard to believe that Google's sales department would be let in on too much information.</p></div><p>This is what's known as a scripted leak. It allows Google to apply leverage to the Chinese without taking an official stance.</p><p>A similar thing happened when Bush was "betrayed" by his friend discussing his use of cocaine (who talks about that shit over the phone?). It allowed him to admit the truth indirectly while currying sympathy and the press completely rolled over and dropped the issue after that. That was one of Rove's more brilliant maneuvers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just find it hard to believe that Google 's sales department would be let in on too much information.This is what 's known as a scripted leak .
It allows Google to apply leverage to the Chinese without taking an official stance.A similar thing happened when Bush was " betrayed " by his friend discussing his use of cocaine ( who talks about that shit over the phone ? ) .
It allowed him to admit the truth indirectly while currying sympathy and the press completely rolled over and dropped the issue after that .
That was one of Rove 's more brilliant maneuvers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just find it hard to believe that Google's sales department would be let in on too much information.This is what's known as a scripted leak.
It allows Google to apply leverage to the Chinese without taking an official stance.A similar thing happened when Bush was "betrayed" by his friend discussing his use of cocaine (who talks about that shit over the phone?).
It allowed him to admit the truth indirectly while currying sympathy and the press completely rolled over and dropped the issue after that.
That was one of Rove's more brilliant maneuvers.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539778</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540504</id>
	<title>According to who?</title>
	<author>Rhacman</author>
	<datestamp>1269022560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> "according to a report in a Beijing-based newspaper"  Ahh I see, or rather, nothing to see here.  Easy enough to just wait to hear from Google.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" according to a report in a Beijing-based newspaper " Ahh I see , or rather , nothing to see here .
Easy enough to just wait to hear from Google .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "according to a report in a Beijing-based newspaper"  Ahh I see, or rather, nothing to see here.
Easy enough to just wait to hear from Google.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541068</id>
	<title>Re:The source is a salesperson</title>
	<author>Dhalka226</author>
	<datestamp>1269024660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It might be bunk, of course, but I don't think that's much evidence.  If I had already made the decision and just hadn't announced it yet I probably would have sent a memo out to the China sales staff telling them to, you know, stop selling things because effective April 10th you'd just have to give them their money back anyway.

</p><p>That said, I've also heard it on financial reports on television.  Naturally that is not a great source either, but the consensus seems to be that Google is definitely leaving.  Their stock even took a hit for it a few days ago.  The fact that it's coming soon wouldn't surprise me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It might be bunk , of course , but I do n't think that 's much evidence .
If I had already made the decision and just had n't announced it yet I probably would have sent a memo out to the China sales staff telling them to , you know , stop selling things because effective April 10th you 'd just have to give them their money back anyway .
That said , I 've also heard it on financial reports on television .
Naturally that is not a great source either , but the consensus seems to be that Google is definitely leaving .
Their stock even took a hit for it a few days ago .
The fact that it 's coming soon would n't surprise me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It might be bunk, of course, but I don't think that's much evidence.
If I had already made the decision and just hadn't announced it yet I probably would have sent a memo out to the China sales staff telling them to, you know, stop selling things because effective April 10th you'd just have to give them their money back anyway.
That said, I've also heard it on financial reports on television.
Naturally that is not a great source either, but the consensus seems to be that Google is definitely leaving.
Their stock even took a hit for it a few days ago.
The fact that it's coming soon wouldn't surprise me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539778</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540858</id>
	<title>The salesman...</title>
	<author>AugstWest</author>
	<datestamp>1269023820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...has since been sacked.</p><p>Seriously, WTF is this person thinking?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...has since been sacked.Seriously , WTF is this person thinking ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...has since been sacked.Seriously, WTF is this person thinking?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540104</id>
	<title>Google's No Freedom Fighter</title>
	<author>rutabagaman</author>
	<datestamp>1269021120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google didn't come to this decision because they found their moral compass all of a sudden--otherwise they wouldn't have agreed to play censor for the government in the first place.  Like any corporation they were attracted to China by the money and the audience, but after finding out the government was all too willing to help Baidu and hinder Google they re-evaluated their decision.  The cyber attack may have been the breaking point, but it may just as well have been a convenient event for Google to justify their standoff with the government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google did n't come to this decision because they found their moral compass all of a sudden--otherwise they would n't have agreed to play censor for the government in the first place .
Like any corporation they were attracted to China by the money and the audience , but after finding out the government was all too willing to help Baidu and hinder Google they re-evaluated their decision .
The cyber attack may have been the breaking point , but it may just as well have been a convenient event for Google to justify their standoff with the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google didn't come to this decision because they found their moral compass all of a sudden--otherwise they wouldn't have agreed to play censor for the government in the first place.
Like any corporation they were attracted to China by the money and the audience, but after finding out the government was all too willing to help Baidu and hinder Google they re-evaluated their decision.
The cyber attack may have been the breaking point, but it may just as well have been a convenient event for Google to justify their standoff with the government.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540990</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269024360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Globalization is not the way forward.</i> <br> <br>

Are you also against inter-state trade? Why not? If trade between 2 ppl in different countries is bad (that is what globalization is), why is trade between 2 ppl in 2 different state here is ok?
<br> <br>

Wealth is created by division of labour aka trade - it doesn't matter if the 2 people trading are standing on either side of an imaginary line or not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Globalization is not the way forward .
Are you also against inter-state trade ?
Why not ?
If trade between 2 ppl in different countries is bad ( that is what globalization is ) , why is trade between 2 ppl in 2 different state here is ok ?
Wealth is created by division of labour aka trade - it does n't matter if the 2 people trading are standing on either side of an imaginary line or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Globalization is not the way forward.
Are you also against inter-state trade?
Why not?
If trade between 2 ppl in different countries is bad (that is what globalization is), why is trade between 2 ppl in 2 different state here is ok?
Wealth is created by division of labour aka trade - it doesn't matter if the 2 people trading are standing on either side of an imaginary line or not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540010</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>Ryvar</author>
	<datestamp>1269020760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a bit worried about workers in China regardless of who they work for.</p><p>--Ryvar</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a bit worried about workers in China regardless of who they work for.--Ryvar</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a bit worried about workers in China regardless of who they work for.--Ryvar</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539742</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541170</id>
	<title>Re:Google's No Freedom Fighter</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1269024960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares? In the end, it's the result that matters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares ?
In the end , it 's the result that matters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares?
In the end, it's the result that matters.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540104</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541652</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1269027120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As already pointed out by sibling post - doing business in China is not "trade".</p><p>Addressing globalization - that's not really "trade" either.  Corporate America is sacking the United States, and Corporate Europe is raping Europe, moving manufacturing and other business to third world countries, where they can make goods more cheaply.</p><p>Americans are getting nothing in "trade".  Especially in the case of China, which regularly uncovers a new scandal involving deadly products being sold around the world.</p><p>Let's sit and talk about this "globalization" thing.  Here, I'll pour some coffee.  Care for some melanin in your coffee?  Or, I have powdered melanin, if you prefer.  Fresh off the boat from China!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As already pointed out by sibling post - doing business in China is not " trade " .Addressing globalization - that 's not really " trade " either .
Corporate America is sacking the United States , and Corporate Europe is raping Europe , moving manufacturing and other business to third world countries , where they can make goods more cheaply.Americans are getting nothing in " trade " .
Especially in the case of China , which regularly uncovers a new scandal involving deadly products being sold around the world.Let 's sit and talk about this " globalization " thing .
Here , I 'll pour some coffee .
Care for some melanin in your coffee ?
Or , I have powdered melanin , if you prefer .
Fresh off the boat from China !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As already pointed out by sibling post - doing business in China is not "trade".Addressing globalization - that's not really "trade" either.
Corporate America is sacking the United States, and Corporate Europe is raping Europe, moving manufacturing and other business to third world countries, where they can make goods more cheaply.Americans are getting nothing in "trade".
Especially in the case of China, which regularly uncovers a new scandal involving deadly products being sold around the world.Let's sit and talk about this "globalization" thing.
Here, I'll pour some coffee.
Care for some melanin in your coffee?
Or, I have powdered melanin, if you prefer.
Fresh off the boat from China!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540990</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540624</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>LtGordon</author>
	<datestamp>1269023040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Or they could open Google Taiwan. After all, they do speak the language.</p></div><p>I think they were interested in China more for the marketplace than not wanting to learn Spanish instead.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or they could open Google Taiwan .
After all , they do speak the language.I think they were interested in China more for the marketplace than not wanting to learn Spanish instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or they could open Google Taiwan.
After all, they do speak the language.I think they were interested in China more for the marketplace than not wanting to learn Spanish instead.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540018</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540306</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269021780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This makes me happy.  Not that it's Google, specifically, but I'm happy to see any company pull out of China.  Wake up, world.  Globalization is not the way forward.<br>Wait until Google is actually gone.  See what happens to anything and everything that is either left behind, or has already been pilfered, copied, cracked, or whatever.  China respects no "intellectual" property, whatsoever.  All the property of Google in China is actually the property of China - intellectual, or otherwise.</p><p>Expect Choogle to come online by the end of April, in direct competition with Google.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This makes me happy .
Not that it 's Google , specifically , but I 'm happy to see any company pull out of China .
Wake up , world .
Globalization is not the way forward.Wait until Google is actually gone .
See what happens to anything and everything that is either left behind , or has already been pilfered , copied , cracked , or whatever .
China respects no " intellectual " property , whatsoever .
All the property of Google in China is actually the property of China - intellectual , or otherwise.Expect Choogle to come online by the end of April , in direct competition with Google .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This makes me happy.
Not that it's Google, specifically, but I'm happy to see any company pull out of China.
Wake up, world.
Globalization is not the way forward.Wait until Google is actually gone.
See what happens to anything and everything that is either left behind, or has already been pilfered, copied, cracked, or whatever.
China respects no "intellectual" property, whatsoever.
All the property of Google in China is actually the property of China - intellectual, or otherwise.Expect Choogle to come online by the end of April, in direct competition with Google.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539742</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31542388</id>
	<title>Re:The source is a salesperson</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269030420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Screw you, CNet.</p></div><p>FTFA:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Google is expected to announce on Monday that it will withdraw from China on April 10, according to a <b>report in a Beijing-based newspaper</b> that cited an unidentified sales associate who works with the company.</p> </div><p>This was reported in a Beijing newspaper first.  CNET is reporting on a report in that newspaper.  If there was a kneejerk, it happened at the Beijing newspaper.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw you , CNet.FTFA : Google is expected to announce on Monday that it will withdraw from China on April 10 , according to a report in a Beijing-based newspaper that cited an unidentified sales associate who works with the company .
This was reported in a Beijing newspaper first .
CNET is reporting on a report in that newspaper .
If there was a kneejerk , it happened at the Beijing newspaper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw you, CNet.FTFA:Google is expected to announce on Monday that it will withdraw from China on April 10, according to a report in a Beijing-based newspaper that cited an unidentified sales associate who works with the company.
This was reported in a Beijing newspaper first.
CNET is reporting on a report in that newspaper.
If there was a kneejerk, it happened at the Beijing newspaper.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540046</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541824</id>
	<title>Re:What does it mean to "leave"?</title>
	<author>izomiac</author>
	<datestamp>1269027780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I asked this before, and everyone said something to the effect of "THERE ARE BILLIONS OF CHINESE" as a reason why Google should stay. But I'm still not seeing it.</p></div><p>China may have a lot of people but they aren't homogeneous.  You have the wealthy coast and the rural interior (IIRC).  According to Google (search) there are 111 million internet users in China.  70\% apparently use Baidu, so Google's Chinese market is something like 33 million.  A very large number still, but I suspect it's a minor part of Google's worldwide market.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I asked this before , and everyone said something to the effect of " THERE ARE BILLIONS OF CHINESE " as a reason why Google should stay .
But I 'm still not seeing it.China may have a lot of people but they are n't homogeneous .
You have the wealthy coast and the rural interior ( IIRC ) .
According to Google ( search ) there are 111 million internet users in China .
70 \ % apparently use Baidu , so Google 's Chinese market is something like 33 million .
A very large number still , but I suspect it 's a minor part of Google 's worldwide market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I asked this before, and everyone said something to the effect of "THERE ARE BILLIONS OF CHINESE" as a reason why Google should stay.
But I'm still not seeing it.China may have a lot of people but they aren't homogeneous.
You have the wealthy coast and the rural interior (IIRC).
According to Google (search) there are 111 million internet users in China.
70\% apparently use Baidu, so Google's Chinese market is something like 33 million.
A very large number still, but I suspect it's a minor part of Google's worldwide market.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539784</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539752</id>
	<title>It's time to chew bubble gum and kick ass...</title>
	<author>eagee</author>
	<datestamp>1269020040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>And google is all out of bubble gum.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And google is all out of bubble gum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And google is all out of bubble gum.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540018</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269020820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An actual legitimate use for H1-B Visa.</p><p>Or they could open Google Taiwan. After all, they do speak the language.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An actual legitimate use for H1-B Visa.Or they could open Google Taiwan .
After all , they do speak the language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An actual legitimate use for H1-B Visa.Or they could open Google Taiwan.
After all, they do speak the language.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539742</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539742</id>
	<title>hmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269020040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..it will be interesting to see what kind of repercussions google's employees living in China might have to face.  This may sound weird, but I'm a bit worried for their workers over there...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..it will be interesting to see what kind of repercussions google 's employees living in China might have to face .
This may sound weird , but I 'm a bit worried for their workers over there.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..it will be interesting to see what kind of repercussions google's employees living in China might have to face.
This may sound weird, but I'm a bit worried for their workers over there...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540164</id>
	<title>Apirl?</title>
	<author>Rik Sweeney</author>
	<datestamp>1269021360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really they'd had said April 1st instead. That would have foxed everyone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really they 'd had said April 1st instead .
That would have foxed everyone : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really they'd had said April 1st instead.
That would have foxed everyone :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540008</id>
	<title>Re:What does it mean to "leave"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269020760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As long as they aren't blocked, they can still serve those users in China</p></div><p>Of course they'll be blocked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden\_Shield\_Project</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as they are n't blocked , they can still serve those users in ChinaOf course they 'll be blocked : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden \ _Shield \ _Project</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as they aren't blocked, they can still serve those users in ChinaOf course they'll be blocked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden\_Shield\_Project
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539784</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31542892</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>aussie\_a</author>
	<datestamp>1268989560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>China respects no "intellectual" property, whatsoever.</p></div><p>Sounds like the average slashdotter to me. After all, pirating is perfectly A-OK.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>China respects no " intellectual " property , whatsoever.Sounds like the average slashdotter to me .
After all , pirating is perfectly A-OK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China respects no "intellectual" property, whatsoever.Sounds like the average slashdotter to me.
After all, pirating is perfectly A-OK.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31542390</id>
	<title>Evil Scale</title>
	<author>Wiarumas</author>
	<datestamp>1269030420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google had long considered leaving China.  I forget where I read it, but I heard they did some sort of analysis where they determined it would less evil to be present in China and be censored than to not be in China and provide no search capability.  It was some type of numbered rating scale of good and evil or something.  It would be interesting to hear about how they came to this decision.  Would be an interesting white paper.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google had long considered leaving China .
I forget where I read it , but I heard they did some sort of analysis where they determined it would less evil to be present in China and be censored than to not be in China and provide no search capability .
It was some type of numbered rating scale of good and evil or something .
It would be interesting to hear about how they came to this decision .
Would be an interesting white paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google had long considered leaving China.
I forget where I read it, but I heard they did some sort of analysis where they determined it would less evil to be present in China and be censored than to not be in China and provide no search capability.
It was some type of numbered rating scale of good and evil or something.
It would be interesting to hear about how they came to this decision.
Would be an interesting white paper.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540470</id>
	<title>Perspective of a Chinese-Canadian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269022380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm of two minds on this.  On the one hand, I applaud Google for sticking to their guns, and keeping consistent with their Do No Evil policy.  On the other hand, I also understand the patriarchal nature of Chinese society, and the need for a strong central authority to maintain order - its order - at any cost.  The patriarchal perspective has its roots in the dynastic nature of China for almost the entirety of its 2000+ year existence, and that doesn't change in a mere century, especially not when the society is steeped in tradition.</p><p>I'm guessing the Chinese government views Google in the same way a very conservative father might see a rebellious teenager, while Google sees the Chinese government as wanting to have things both ways with regards to playing by their rules and protection under their laws.  The viewpoints of father-knows-best versus fairness are incompatible, and it was only a matter of time before the two split on ideological differences.  Add to the fact that Google isn't making too much in China right now as a distant second in terms of marketshare compared to Baidu, and you can see how they might decide that they have more to gain from publicly splitting with China in order to improve their public perception with the western market (and possibly win points with the US government).</p><p>(The CAPTCHA for this post is 'bypasses' - fitting, isn't it?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm of two minds on this .
On the one hand , I applaud Google for sticking to their guns , and keeping consistent with their Do No Evil policy .
On the other hand , I also understand the patriarchal nature of Chinese society , and the need for a strong central authority to maintain order - its order - at any cost .
The patriarchal perspective has its roots in the dynastic nature of China for almost the entirety of its 2000 + year existence , and that does n't change in a mere century , especially not when the society is steeped in tradition.I 'm guessing the Chinese government views Google in the same way a very conservative father might see a rebellious teenager , while Google sees the Chinese government as wanting to have things both ways with regards to playing by their rules and protection under their laws .
The viewpoints of father-knows-best versus fairness are incompatible , and it was only a matter of time before the two split on ideological differences .
Add to the fact that Google is n't making too much in China right now as a distant second in terms of marketshare compared to Baidu , and you can see how they might decide that they have more to gain from publicly splitting with China in order to improve their public perception with the western market ( and possibly win points with the US government ) .
( The CAPTCHA for this post is 'bypasses ' - fitting , is n't it ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm of two minds on this.
On the one hand, I applaud Google for sticking to their guns, and keeping consistent with their Do No Evil policy.
On the other hand, I also understand the patriarchal nature of Chinese society, and the need for a strong central authority to maintain order - its order - at any cost.
The patriarchal perspective has its roots in the dynastic nature of China for almost the entirety of its 2000+ year existence, and that doesn't change in a mere century, especially not when the society is steeped in tradition.I'm guessing the Chinese government views Google in the same way a very conservative father might see a rebellious teenager, while Google sees the Chinese government as wanting to have things both ways with regards to playing by their rules and protection under their laws.
The viewpoints of father-knows-best versus fairness are incompatible, and it was only a matter of time before the two split on ideological differences.
Add to the fact that Google isn't making too much in China right now as a distant second in terms of marketshare compared to Baidu, and you can see how they might decide that they have more to gain from publicly splitting with China in order to improve their public perception with the western market (and possibly win points with the US government).
(The CAPTCHA for this post is 'bypasses' - fitting, isn't it?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31542824</id>
	<title>Re:The source is a salesperson</title>
	<author>danger42</author>
	<datestamp>1268989200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Salespeople are sometimes the most informed people in a company. They know lots of people, talk to lots of people, and get the inside scoop pretty often. This one might play squash with the VP of something, or golf with the IT guys. You just don't know, but it's very possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Salespeople are sometimes the most informed people in a company .
They know lots of people , talk to lots of people , and get the inside scoop pretty often .
This one might play squash with the VP of something , or golf with the IT guys .
You just do n't know , but it 's very possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Salespeople are sometimes the most informed people in a company.
They know lots of people, talk to lots of people, and get the inside scoop pretty often.
This one might play squash with the VP of something, or golf with the IT guys.
You just don't know, but it's very possible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541884</id>
	<title>Re:Google's No Freedom Fighter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269028080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703447104575118092158730502.html" title="wsj.com" rel="nofollow">Cynicism not withstanding, you may be wrong.</a> [wsj.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cynicism not withstanding , you may be wrong .
[ wsj.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cynicism not withstanding, you may be wrong.
[wsj.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31539784</id>
	<title>What does it mean to "leave"?</title>
	<author>BadAnalogyGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1269020160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So they close up shop there. They are an INTERNET COMPANY!</p><p>As long as they aren't blocked, they can still serve those users in China. And if they aren't blocked, they can still charge for advertising to non-Chinese customers.</p><p>I asked this before, and everyone said something to the effect of "THERE ARE BILLIONS OF CHINESE" as a reason why Google should stay. But I'm still not seeing it. Google can operate from anywhere. A local presence provides them very little unless they intend to expand some China-specific business/technology, which they haven't done at all (for any country they are currently in for that matter).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So they close up shop there .
They are an INTERNET COMPANY ! As long as they are n't blocked , they can still serve those users in China .
And if they are n't blocked , they can still charge for advertising to non-Chinese customers.I asked this before , and everyone said something to the effect of " THERE ARE BILLIONS OF CHINESE " as a reason why Google should stay .
But I 'm still not seeing it .
Google can operate from anywhere .
A local presence provides them very little unless they intend to expand some China-specific business/technology , which they have n't done at all ( for any country they are currently in for that matter ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they close up shop there.
They are an INTERNET COMPANY!As long as they aren't blocked, they can still serve those users in China.
And if they aren't blocked, they can still charge for advertising to non-Chinese customers.I asked this before, and everyone said something to the effect of "THERE ARE BILLIONS OF CHINESE" as a reason why Google should stay.
But I'm still not seeing it.
Google can operate from anywhere.
A local presence provides them very little unless they intend to expand some China-specific business/technology, which they haven't done at all (for any country they are currently in for that matter).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540046</id>
	<title>Re:The source is a salesperson</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269020880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is at least somewhat irresponsible journalism. I mean, obviously Google needs time to consider first, how to deal with China, and second if it comes to it, how to handle it adequately. They should have the opportunity to plan and deliver the bad news themselves rather than some kneejerk reporter trying to make a name for themselves. Imagine how depressing this must be for Google China employees.</p><p>Screw you, CNet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is at least somewhat irresponsible journalism .
I mean , obviously Google needs time to consider first , how to deal with China , and second if it comes to it , how to handle it adequately .
They should have the opportunity to plan and deliver the bad news themselves rather than some kneejerk reporter trying to make a name for themselves .
Imagine how depressing this must be for Google China employees.Screw you , CNet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is at least somewhat irresponsible journalism.
I mean, obviously Google needs time to consider first, how to deal with China, and second if it comes to it, how to handle it adequately.
They should have the opportunity to plan and deliver the bad news themselves rather than some kneejerk reporter trying to make a name for themselves.
Imagine how depressing this must be for Google China employees.Screw you, CNet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540732</id>
	<title>Sure it is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269023400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Google didn't come to this decision because they found their moral compass all of a sudden--otherwise they wouldn't have agreed to play censor for the government in the first place.  Like any corporation they were attracted to China by the money and the audience, but after finding out the government was all too willing to help Baidu and hinder Google they re-evaluated their decision.  The cyber attack may have been the breaking point, but it may just as well have been a convenient event for Google to justify their standoff with the government.</p></div><p>So Google's motives are not altruistic. So what? Lots of "freedom fighters" aren't motivated by an altruistic desire to oppose tyranny and promote liberty wherever they can. They're motivated because their toes were stepped on and they want to fight back.</p><p>It's pretty rare that anyone deliberately goes and gets involved in a Freedom Fight that they have no stake in. That doesn't mean they're not justified in doing so.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google did n't come to this decision because they found their moral compass all of a sudden--otherwise they would n't have agreed to play censor for the government in the first place .
Like any corporation they were attracted to China by the money and the audience , but after finding out the government was all too willing to help Baidu and hinder Google they re-evaluated their decision .
The cyber attack may have been the breaking point , but it may just as well have been a convenient event for Google to justify their standoff with the government.So Google 's motives are not altruistic .
So what ?
Lots of " freedom fighters " are n't motivated by an altruistic desire to oppose tyranny and promote liberty wherever they can .
They 're motivated because their toes were stepped on and they want to fight back.It 's pretty rare that anyone deliberately goes and gets involved in a Freedom Fight that they have no stake in .
That does n't mean they 're not justified in doing so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google didn't come to this decision because they found their moral compass all of a sudden--otherwise they wouldn't have agreed to play censor for the government in the first place.
Like any corporation they were attracted to China by the money and the audience, but after finding out the government was all too willing to help Baidu and hinder Google they re-evaluated their decision.
The cyber attack may have been the breaking point, but it may just as well have been a convenient event for Google to justify their standoff with the government.So Google's motives are not altruistic.
So what?
Lots of "freedom fighters" aren't motivated by an altruistic desire to oppose tyranny and promote liberty wherever they can.
They're motivated because their toes were stepped on and they want to fight back.It's pretty rare that anyone deliberately goes and gets involved in a Freedom Fight that they have no stake in.
That doesn't mean they're not justified in doing so.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540758</id>
	<title>The great firewall</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269023520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wouldn't it be great if all non-Chinese websites blocked all Chinese IP addresses?

I know it would hurt the average Chinese citizen, but it sure would make a good point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it be great if all non-Chinese websites blocked all Chinese IP addresses ?
I know it would hurt the average Chinese citizen , but it sure would make a good point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it be great if all non-Chinese websites blocked all Chinese IP addresses?
I know it would hurt the average Chinese citizen, but it sure would make a good point.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541314</id>
	<title>To the editor</title>
	<author>Galestar</author>
	<datestamp>1269025620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dear slashdot: Please stop posting rumors.  I would like some facts, not an entire front page full of unverifiable rumors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear slashdot : Please stop posting rumors .
I would like some facts , not an entire front page full of unverifiable rumors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear slashdot: Please stop posting rumors.
I would like some facts, not an entire front page full of unverifiable rumors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31540370</id>
	<title>Old Quote</title>
	<author>MrTripps</author>
	<datestamp>1269022020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Remember that old quote about how the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routs around it? That doesn't apply anymore.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember that old quote about how the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routs around it ?
That does n't apply anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember that old quote about how the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routs around it?
That doesn't apply anymore.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541428</id>
	<title>Re:What does it mean to "leave"?</title>
	<author>xant</author>
	<datestamp>1269026100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure.  As soon as they do that, they'll be blocked. Google is "in" China because Google is <i>physically in</i> China, where:</p><ol><li>They are given special access to get through the Great Firewall, and</li><li>China can prosecute Google employees if Google doesn't comply with local laws</li></ol><p>Google physically shutting down offices means China no longer has leverage over actual human beings working there.  So they'll use the only other leverage they have: the Firewall.  Expect google.cn to be accessible everywhere but in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.cn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure .
As soon as they do that , they 'll be blocked .
Google is " in " China because Google is physically in China , where : They are given special access to get through the Great Firewall , andChina can prosecute Google employees if Google does n't comply with local lawsGoogle physically shutting down offices means China no longer has leverage over actual human beings working there .
So they 'll use the only other leverage they have : the Firewall .
Expect google.cn to be accessible everywhere but in .cn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure.
As soon as they do that, they'll be blocked.
Google is "in" China because Google is physically in China, where:They are given special access to get through the Great Firewall, andChina can prosecute Google employees if Google doesn't comply with local lawsGoogle physically shutting down offices means China no longer has leverage over actual human beings working there.
So they'll use the only other leverage they have: the Firewall.
Expect google.cn to be accessible everywhere but in .cn.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31545932</id>
	<title>Why bother shutting down at all?</title>
	<author>VocationalZero</author>
	<datestamp>1269004260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why bother shutting down at all when they can remove all of the censorship filters on their Chinese site and let the local govt take care of the rest? Money saver!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why bother shutting down at all when they can remove all of the censorship filters on their Chinese site and let the local govt take care of the rest ?
Money saver !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why bother shutting down at all when they can remove all of the censorship filters on their Chinese site and let the local govt take care of the rest?
Money saver!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31541930</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>mpfife</author>
	<datestamp>1269028320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Alas - your assumption that the world will come crashing down in China is very ill-founded.  Not much will happen to the search market because more than 50\% of that market is already controlled by baidu.  Google is a distant second.  And espionage/pilfering/cracking/copying is not limited by borders.  If they get behind - they'll simply launch remote raiding just as successful as local ones - it's the internet after all.<p>

Google's caught in a catch-22.  If they stay - they might be able to influence the market towards more freedom and become a dominant enough player to turn the culture - but at the cost of their own security/image. If they leave - they give free reign to the Chinese government to do whatever it want, they'll lose out on the biggest new market in the world, and could potentially be the ones on the defense when baidu makes a killing as a monopoly in the chinese market.  </p><p>

This is likely not over; I predict it'll awaken again in 5 years when Baidu or other engine is as big as Google and starts moving into OUR market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alas - your assumption that the world will come crashing down in China is very ill-founded .
Not much will happen to the search market because more than 50 \ % of that market is already controlled by baidu .
Google is a distant second .
And espionage/pilfering/cracking/copying is not limited by borders .
If they get behind - they 'll simply launch remote raiding just as successful as local ones - it 's the internet after all .
Google 's caught in a catch-22 .
If they stay - they might be able to influence the market towards more freedom and become a dominant enough player to turn the culture - but at the cost of their own security/image .
If they leave - they give free reign to the Chinese government to do whatever it want , they 'll lose out on the biggest new market in the world , and could potentially be the ones on the defense when baidu makes a killing as a monopoly in the chinese market .
This is likely not over ; I predict it 'll awaken again in 5 years when Baidu or other engine is as big as Google and starts moving into OUR market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alas - your assumption that the world will come crashing down in China is very ill-founded.
Not much will happen to the search market because more than 50\% of that market is already controlled by baidu.
Google is a distant second.
And espionage/pilfering/cracking/copying is not limited by borders.
If they get behind - they'll simply launch remote raiding just as successful as local ones - it's the internet after all.
Google's caught in a catch-22.
If they stay - they might be able to influence the market towards more freedom and become a dominant enough player to turn the culture - but at the cost of their own security/image.
If they leave - they give free reign to the Chinese government to do whatever it want, they'll lose out on the biggest new market in the world, and could potentially be the ones on the defense when baidu makes a killing as a monopoly in the chinese market.
This is likely not over; I predict it'll awaken again in 5 years when Baidu or other engine is as big as Google and starts moving into OUR market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31613158</id>
	<title>Re:hmm...</title>
	<author>AniVisual</author>
	<datestamp>1269540120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd say that with every company that decides to no longer do business with China, there are 2 who have decided not to start business with China, 3 who decide to do business with China, and 4 who are contemplating the possibility, and 5 who are happily doing business with China. So I think that's a fantasy of yours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say that with every company that decides to no longer do business with China , there are 2 who have decided not to start business with China , 3 who decide to do business with China , and 4 who are contemplating the possibility , and 5 who are happily doing business with China .
So I think that 's a fantasy of yours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say that with every company that decides to no longer do business with China, there are 2 who have decided not to start business with China, 3 who decide to do business with China, and 4 who are contemplating the possibility, and 5 who are happily doing business with China.
So I think that's a fantasy of yours.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1414201.31543780</id>
	<title>Re:The source is a salesperson</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1268993220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if they leave, they will be able to utilize and employ filter-circumventing schemes and run their bu siness from outside china without any restrictions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if they leave , they will be able to utilize and employ filter-circumventing schemes and run their bu siness from outside china without any restrictions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if they leave, they will be able to utilize and employ filter-circumventing schemes and run their bu siness from outside china without any restrictions.</sentencetext>
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