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	<title>UK ID Cards Could Be Upgraded To Super ID Cards</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1268989260000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Gadget lovers are used to punishing upgrade cycles but now it seems that the British ID card could be <a href="http://www.silicon.com/technology/security/2010/03/17/exclusive-next-generation-super-id-card-on-the-cards-for-2012-39745599/">replaced with a 'super' ID card just a couple of years after the first one was released</a>. The new card could be used to buy goods or services online, or to prove identity over the web. It's a bit of a kick in the teeth for the people who have already paid &pound;30 for a 1st gen card that can't do any of these things."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Gadget lovers are used to punishing upgrade cycles but now it seems that the British ID card could be replaced with a 'super ' ID card just a couple of years after the first one was released .
The new card could be used to buy goods or services online , or to prove identity over the web .
It 's a bit of a kick in the teeth for the people who have already paid   30 for a 1st gen card that ca n't do any of these things .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Gadget lovers are used to punishing upgrade cycles but now it seems that the British ID card could be replaced with a 'super' ID card just a couple of years after the first one was released.
The new card could be used to buy goods or services online, or to prove identity over the web.
It's a bit of a kick in the teeth for the people who have already paid £30 for a 1st gen card that can't do any of these things.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31533946</id>
	<title>It's not a kick in the teeth for anyone.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268993280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one thinks 'well, we've sold a bunch of these, we'd better stop innovating now in case we annoy the people who bought Version 1'. Buying something, then a few years later a better version coming along is not a "kick in the teeth". It's progress.</p><p>If the best argument you can come up with against "super ID cards" is that they're not fair on people with ordinary ID cards then you need to go back to Civil Liberties School.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one thinks 'well , we 've sold a bunch of these , we 'd better stop innovating now in case we annoy the people who bought Version 1' .
Buying something , then a few years later a better version coming along is not a " kick in the teeth " .
It 's progress.If the best argument you can come up with against " super ID cards " is that they 're not fair on people with ordinary ID cards then you need to go back to Civil Liberties School .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one thinks 'well, we've sold a bunch of these, we'd better stop innovating now in case we annoy the people who bought Version 1'.
Buying something, then a few years later a better version coming along is not a "kick in the teeth".
It's progress.If the best argument you can come up with against "super ID cards" is that they're not fair on people with ordinary ID cards then you need to go back to Civil Liberties School.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534970</id>
	<title>Re:Yes</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1269006060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pretty soon we'll be swiping them to open our cares/houses. Consumer nirvana!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty soon we 'll be swiping them to open our cares/houses .
Consumer nirvana !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty soon we'll be swiping them to open our cares/houses.
Consumer nirvana!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534030</id>
	<title>Innovation - good, forced centralization - bad.</title>
	<author>AlexLibman</author>
	<datestamp>1268994660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The ideal means of verifying identity and reputation would be built on the "web of trust" concept, not blunt government force!</p><p>The latter provides a single point of failure, and gives near-absolute power to a monopoly (government) that is inherently tyrannical, deceitful, and corrupt!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ideal means of verifying identity and reputation would be built on the " web of trust " concept , not blunt government force ! The latter provides a single point of failure , and gives near-absolute power to a monopoly ( government ) that is inherently tyrannical , deceitful , and corrupt !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ideal means of verifying identity and reputation would be built on the "web of trust" concept, not blunt government force!The latter provides a single point of failure, and gives near-absolute power to a monopoly (government) that is inherently tyrannical, deceitful, and corrupt!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534718</id>
	<title>Re:It's always been my dream ...</title>
	<author>Mattsson</author>
	<datestamp>1269003480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people already have a card with which they can shop and that uniquely identifies them in their credit card.<br>Yes, you can in some cases buy stuff with a stolen or copied credit card but, at least here, you often get asked to identify yourself with an ID card or by providing a PIN-code to prove that you are the actual holder of the credit card when shopping in a real store.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people already have a card with which they can shop and that uniquely identifies them in their credit card.Yes , you can in some cases buy stuff with a stolen or copied credit card but , at least here , you often get asked to identify yourself with an ID card or by providing a PIN-code to prove that you are the actual holder of the credit card when shopping in a real store .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people already have a card with which they can shop and that uniquely identifies them in their credit card.Yes, you can in some cases buy stuff with a stolen or copied credit card but, at least here, you often get asked to identify yourself with an ID card or by providing a PIN-code to prove that you are the actual holder of the credit card when shopping in a real store.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534440</id>
	<title>Re:It's always been my dream ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269000180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Who knows, maybe my toilet paper buying habits exactly match those of a known terrorist and the men in black will single me out for "special attention".</i> </p><p>Exactly!</p><p>Some years back, in a trial of some crack dealers in the US, part of the evidence used against them was the supermarket records of purchase of an extraordinary quantity of baggies which they had bought using their store discount card.</p><p>In another case, an elderly man slipped and fell in a Von's supermarket. When the store tried to stiff him on medical expenses resulting from the fall, he sued them.</p><p>They threatened to use their records of every bottle of liquor he'd ever bought there in an attempt to paint him as a lush who couldn't stand up straight. I believe the store eventually backed off as a result of the negative publicity over their tactics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who knows , maybe my toilet paper buying habits exactly match those of a known terrorist and the men in black will single me out for " special attention " .
Exactly ! Some years back , in a trial of some crack dealers in the US , part of the evidence used against them was the supermarket records of purchase of an extraordinary quantity of baggies which they had bought using their store discount card.In another case , an elderly man slipped and fell in a Von 's supermarket .
When the store tried to stiff him on medical expenses resulting from the fall , he sued them.They threatened to use their records of every bottle of liquor he 'd ever bought there in an attempt to paint him as a lush who could n't stand up straight .
I believe the store eventually backed off as a result of the negative publicity over their tactics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who knows, maybe my toilet paper buying habits exactly match those of a known terrorist and the men in black will single me out for "special attention".
Exactly!Some years back, in a trial of some crack dealers in the US, part of the evidence used against them was the supermarket records of purchase of an extraordinary quantity of baggies which they had bought using their store discount card.In another case, an elderly man slipped and fell in a Von's supermarket.
When the store tried to stiff him on medical expenses resulting from the fall, he sued them.They threatened to use their records of every bottle of liquor he'd ever bought there in an attempt to paint him as a lush who couldn't stand up straight.
I believe the store eventually backed off as a result of the negative publicity over their tactics.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534026</id>
	<title>I'm sorry citizen...</title>
	<author>damburger</author>
	<datestamp>1268994600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You cannot post on this web forum without first verifying your identity with the UK government. From the article:</p><blockquote><div><p>The proposals currently under consideration could potentially see ID cards used to perform new tasks - such as authorising online transactions using chip and PIN and verifying the holder's identity over the internet - which are not possible with existing British ID cards today.</p></div></blockquote><p>THIS is how they plan to implement the draconian measures in the DEB. They want all Internet activity linked to an ID card system that they control (and whose data they can sell). Am I being paranoid? My wife would say so. But if currently legislation pans out - and the incoming government have made no indications they wish to change direction - then the government will have on one hand an unworkable set of Internet regulations and another hand a technological solution that could potentially make it work. They will also have very rich men offering financial incentives to link the two.</p><p>The fact this will kill Internet freedom in this country stone dead is completely irrelevant to them. As with so many other aspects of life, career politicians simply do not care because they are outside their very narrow experiences, which have been aimed at public office for basically their entire life.</p><p>These people select themselves for leadership at private school (if Tory) or at university (if Labour or Lib Dem) - and never venture out of that world to experience the life, work, and leisure of ordinary human beings.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can not post on this web forum without first verifying your identity with the UK government .
From the article : The proposals currently under consideration could potentially see ID cards used to perform new tasks - such as authorising online transactions using chip and PIN and verifying the holder 's identity over the internet - which are not possible with existing British ID cards today.THIS is how they plan to implement the draconian measures in the DEB .
They want all Internet activity linked to an ID card system that they control ( and whose data they can sell ) .
Am I being paranoid ?
My wife would say so .
But if currently legislation pans out - and the incoming government have made no indications they wish to change direction - then the government will have on one hand an unworkable set of Internet regulations and another hand a technological solution that could potentially make it work .
They will also have very rich men offering financial incentives to link the two.The fact this will kill Internet freedom in this country stone dead is completely irrelevant to them .
As with so many other aspects of life , career politicians simply do not care because they are outside their very narrow experiences , which have been aimed at public office for basically their entire life.These people select themselves for leadership at private school ( if Tory ) or at university ( if Labour or Lib Dem ) - and never venture out of that world to experience the life , work , and leisure of ordinary human beings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You cannot post on this web forum without first verifying your identity with the UK government.
From the article:The proposals currently under consideration could potentially see ID cards used to perform new tasks - such as authorising online transactions using chip and PIN and verifying the holder's identity over the internet - which are not possible with existing British ID cards today.THIS is how they plan to implement the draconian measures in the DEB.
They want all Internet activity linked to an ID card system that they control (and whose data they can sell).
Am I being paranoid?
My wife would say so.
But if currently legislation pans out - and the incoming government have made no indications they wish to change direction - then the government will have on one hand an unworkable set of Internet regulations and another hand a technological solution that could potentially make it work.
They will also have very rich men offering financial incentives to link the two.The fact this will kill Internet freedom in this country stone dead is completely irrelevant to them.
As with so many other aspects of life, career politicians simply do not care because they are outside their very narrow experiences, which have been aimed at public office for basically their entire life.These people select themselves for leadership at private school (if Tory) or at university (if Labour or Lib Dem) - and never venture out of that world to experience the life, work, and leisure of ordinary human beings.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534016</id>
	<title>Cool</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268994480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now I only need one card to clone to screw somebody royally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I only need one card to clone to screw somebody royally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now I only need one card to clone to screw somebody royally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534060</id>
	<title>A kick in the teeth... for whom?</title>
	<author>elvum</author>
	<datestamp>1268995080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes of course, it's the people who signed up for first-generation ID cards whom we should feel sorry for here.  Poor dears.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes of course , it 's the people who signed up for first-generation ID cards whom we should feel sorry for here .
Poor dears .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes of course, it's the people who signed up for first-generation ID cards whom we should feel sorry for here.
Poor dears.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31537486</id>
	<title>Re:It's not a kick in the teeth for anyone.</title>
	<author>bsDaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1269013680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought it was a joke on Apple's product cycle and not a commentary on civil liberties, but silly me...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought it was a joke on Apple 's product cycle and not a commentary on civil liberties , but silly me.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought it was a joke on Apple's product cycle and not a commentary on civil liberties, but silly me...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534614</id>
	<title>Re:Most people are not bothered</title>
	<author>Inda</author>
	<datestamp>1269002520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Households is the correct term. We all share the same ClubCard number in our house. It's on the car keys, my wallet and linked to our shared credit cards. Not only do Tescos know what I buy in their shop, they know what I buy in every shop.<br><br>I happen to think they pay me fairly well for my spending data, unlike all these websites who steal my data. I spend my ClubCard points on Xbox games. Four a year, I reckon.<br><br>Tescos are like Google in my eyes. I give them something, they give me something in return. I'm happy with the arrangements.<br><br>I buy all my drugs and bomb making equipment with cash.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Households is the correct term .
We all share the same ClubCard number in our house .
It 's on the car keys , my wallet and linked to our shared credit cards .
Not only do Tescos know what I buy in their shop , they know what I buy in every shop.I happen to think they pay me fairly well for my spending data , unlike all these websites who steal my data .
I spend my ClubCard points on Xbox games .
Four a year , I reckon.Tescos are like Google in my eyes .
I give them something , they give me something in return .
I 'm happy with the arrangements.I buy all my drugs and bomb making equipment with cash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Households is the correct term.
We all share the same ClubCard number in our house.
It's on the car keys, my wallet and linked to our shared credit cards.
Not only do Tescos know what I buy in their shop, they know what I buy in every shop.I happen to think they pay me fairly well for my spending data, unlike all these websites who steal my data.
I spend my ClubCard points on Xbox games.
Four a year, I reckon.Tescos are like Google in my eyes.
I give them something, they give me something in return.
I'm happy with the arrangements.I buy all my drugs and bomb making equipment with cash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534726</id>
	<title>Re:It's always been my dream ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269003600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It's always been my dream to be profiled by law enforcement on the basis of my shopping.</i> <br> <br>
I used a supermarket loyalty card just to buy a colouring book and and two packs of condoms.<br>
Being a 23 yo woman, this did raise an eyebrow at the checkout.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's always been my dream to be profiled by law enforcement on the basis of my shopping .
I used a supermarket loyalty card just to buy a colouring book and and two packs of condoms .
Being a 23 yo woman , this did raise an eyebrow at the checkout .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's always been my dream to be profiled by law enforcement on the basis of my shopping.
I used a supermarket loyalty card just to buy a colouring book and and two packs of condoms.
Being a 23 yo woman, this did raise an eyebrow at the checkout.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534462</id>
	<title>Re:It's always been my dream ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269000480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It's always been my dream to be profiled by law enforcement on the basis of my shopping."</p><p>If you're an American and you have a credit card, this already happens. If you're not an American, you've ever bought something in America <i>or from an American based company</i>, and you have a credit card, this already happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's always been my dream to be profiled by law enforcement on the basis of my shopping .
" If you 're an American and you have a credit card , this already happens .
If you 're not an American , you 've ever bought something in America or from an American based company , and you have a credit card , this already happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's always been my dream to be profiled by law enforcement on the basis of my shopping.
"If you're an American and you have a credit card, this already happens.
If you're not an American, you've ever bought something in America or from an American based company, and you have a credit card, this already happens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534408</id>
	<title>Re:Yes</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1268999880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh god, the horror. We've had that since forever on VISA cards here in Norway, the banks have authority to issue government approved ids so some banks will issue a double function card with id on the back above the magnetic stripe. It's quite practical for people that don't have a driver's license or one card less if you're getting drunk and won't be driving anyway. Unless you really have anonymous bank accounts putting the information the bank has on file on your card is a convienience, not a problem. The money flows via the banks not the government though, pretty important point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh god , the horror .
We 've had that since forever on VISA cards here in Norway , the banks have authority to issue government approved ids so some banks will issue a double function card with id on the back above the magnetic stripe .
It 's quite practical for people that do n't have a driver 's license or one card less if you 're getting drunk and wo n't be driving anyway .
Unless you really have anonymous bank accounts putting the information the bank has on file on your card is a convienience , not a problem .
The money flows via the banks not the government though , pretty important point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh god, the horror.
We've had that since forever on VISA cards here in Norway, the banks have authority to issue government approved ids so some banks will issue a double function card with id on the back above the magnetic stripe.
It's quite practical for people that don't have a driver's license or one card less if you're getting drunk and won't be driving anyway.
Unless you really have anonymous bank accounts putting the information the bank has on file on your card is a convienience, not a problem.
The money flows via the banks not the government though, pretty important point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31536986</id>
	<title>Cost is more like &pound;60</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1269012420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's worth noting that the cost is really more like &pound;60, as the published figures don't include the "processing fees", i.e., paying &pound;30 to private companies for the privilege of being fingerprinted etc. From <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk\_politics/8036536.stm" title="bbc.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk\_politics/8036536.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk] , <i>"The cost of the cards will be capped at &pound;30 for the two years but once retailers are brought in to collect the data stores will be able to charge for processing it, with the total cost to applicants expected to be &pound;60 per card."</i></p><p>For reference, it was only a few years ago that a passport cost &pound;33 ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British\_passport#Fees" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British\_passport#Fees</a> [wikipedia.org] ) (although there are processing fees, these are only a few pounds, less than &pound;5 when I got mine). Most of the increases since then are due to them converting it into the ID card. The combined ID/passport will be at least &pound;93 - but with the processing fees, expect it to be more like at least &pound;123.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's worth noting that the cost is really more like   60 , as the published figures do n't include the " processing fees " , i.e. , paying   30 to private companies for the privilege of being fingerprinted etc .
From http : //news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk \ _politics/8036536.stm [ bbc.co.uk ] , " The cost of the cards will be capped at   30 for the two years but once retailers are brought in to collect the data stores will be able to charge for processing it , with the total cost to applicants expected to be   60 per card .
" For reference , it was only a few years ago that a passport cost   33 ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British \ _passport # Fees [ wikipedia.org ] ) ( although there are processing fees , these are only a few pounds , less than   5 when I got mine ) .
Most of the increases since then are due to them converting it into the ID card .
The combined ID/passport will be at least   93 - but with the processing fees , expect it to be more like at least   123 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's worth noting that the cost is really more like £60, as the published figures don't include the "processing fees", i.e., paying £30 to private companies for the privilege of being fingerprinted etc.
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk\_politics/8036536.stm [bbc.co.uk] , "The cost of the cards will be capped at £30 for the two years but once retailers are brought in to collect the data stores will be able to charge for processing it, with the total cost to applicants expected to be £60 per card.
"For reference, it was only a few years ago that a passport cost £33 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British\_passport#Fees [wikipedia.org] ) (although there are processing fees, these are only a few pounds, less than £5 when I got mine).
Most of the increases since then are due to them converting it into the ID card.
The combined ID/passport will be at least £93 - but with the processing fees, expect it to be more like at least £123.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534024</id>
	<title>Wow, that's great.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268994600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I can have my identity AND my money stolen, together with everything else!</p><p>Wait, let me just quickly forge one of $currentDummyGovernmentLeader. You know... for the nasty stuff. ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I can have my identity AND my money stolen , together with everything else ! Wait , let me just quickly forge one of $ currentDummyGovernmentLeader .
You know... for the nasty stuff .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I can have my identity AND my money stolen, together with everything else!Wait, let me just quickly forge one of $currentDummyGovernmentLeader.
You know... for the nasty stuff.
^^</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534574</id>
	<title>Re:ID cards are so yesterday</title>
	<author>sa1lnr</author>
	<datestamp>1269002040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Millions? I think not.</p><p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/09/id\_card\_numbers/" title="theregister.co.uk">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/09/id\_card\_numbers/</a> [theregister.co.uk]</p><p>The area of North West England listed there includes two major cities with a combined population of 3.5 million alone. And how many cards have they issued in this area up until the 3rd of March this year?</p><p>Four thousand three hundred and seven. Yes we Brits are banging down the doors to get our ID cards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Millions ?
I think not.http : //www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/09/id \ _card \ _numbers/ [ theregister.co.uk ] The area of North West England listed there includes two major cities with a combined population of 3.5 million alone .
And how many cards have they issued in this area up until the 3rd of March this year ? Four thousand three hundred and seven .
Yes we Brits are banging down the doors to get our ID cards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Millions?
I think not.http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/09/id\_card\_numbers/ [theregister.co.uk]The area of North West England listed there includes two major cities with a combined population of 3.5 million alone.
And how many cards have they issued in this area up until the 3rd of March this year?Four thousand three hundred and seven.
Yes we Brits are banging down the doors to get our ID cards.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31537914</id>
	<title>Re:Most people are not bothered</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1269014760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does the Tesco card:</p><p>* Cost &pound;60?</p><p>* Require fingerprints to be handed over?</p><p>* Allow Tesco to know all purchases, at any shop, whether the shopper uses the card or not? (You do realise that if I was that worried on a particular occasion, I could simply not use the card - plus, Tesco isn't likely to be the main source of privacy concern in terms of shopping. Tesco can't see someone's private purchases made elsewhere.)</p><p>Do Tesco have the ability:</p><p>* To arrest shoppers based on suspicious purchaces?</p><p>* To fine you if you forget to notify them that your card was lost or damaged, or that you've moved house?</p><p>No. So your comparison is pointless. Just because <i>some</i> people are happy to let Tesco have access to data of what you buy at their shops for marketing purposes has nothing to do with the Government having access to all data, when you're not even buying from them, and it's none of their business. Your analogy couldn't be more wrong.</p><p>Not to mention that the OP isn't most people. Perhaps he, like I, chooses not to have a Tesco card?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the Tesco card : * Cost   60 ?
* Require fingerprints to be handed over ?
* Allow Tesco to know all purchases , at any shop , whether the shopper uses the card or not ?
( You do realise that if I was that worried on a particular occasion , I could simply not use the card - plus , Tesco is n't likely to be the main source of privacy concern in terms of shopping .
Tesco ca n't see someone 's private purchases made elsewhere .
) Do Tesco have the ability : * To arrest shoppers based on suspicious purchaces ?
* To fine you if you forget to notify them that your card was lost or damaged , or that you 've moved house ? No .
So your comparison is pointless .
Just because some people are happy to let Tesco have access to data of what you buy at their shops for marketing purposes has nothing to do with the Government having access to all data , when you 're not even buying from them , and it 's none of their business .
Your analogy could n't be more wrong.Not to mention that the OP is n't most people .
Perhaps he , like I , chooses not to have a Tesco card ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the Tesco card:* Cost £60?
* Require fingerprints to be handed over?
* Allow Tesco to know all purchases, at any shop, whether the shopper uses the card or not?
(You do realise that if I was that worried on a particular occasion, I could simply not use the card - plus, Tesco isn't likely to be the main source of privacy concern in terms of shopping.
Tesco can't see someone's private purchases made elsewhere.
)Do Tesco have the ability:* To arrest shoppers based on suspicious purchaces?
* To fine you if you forget to notify them that your card was lost or damaged, or that you've moved house?No.
So your comparison is pointless.
Just because some people are happy to let Tesco have access to data of what you buy at their shops for marketing purposes has nothing to do with the Government having access to all data, when you're not even buying from them, and it's none of their business.
Your analogy couldn't be more wrong.Not to mention that the OP isn't most people.
Perhaps he, like I, chooses not to have a Tesco card?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534790</id>
	<title>Re:Not really</title>
	<author>mhelander</author>
	<datestamp>1269004380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess the Anonymous Submitter will see that as another "kick in the teeth".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess the Anonymous Submitter will see that as another " kick in the teeth " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess the Anonymous Submitter will see that as another "kick in the teeth".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534542</id>
	<title>Re:I'm sorry citizen...</title>
	<author>aj50</author>
	<datestamp>1269001560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's quite a step from being able to identify yourself securely over the internet and being forced to do so under all circumstances.</p><p>For some website to require you to divulge your identity for the privilege of posting is something I would find acceptable, it's their forum after all. For the government to mandate that every website was to do this would be both stupid and unenforceable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's quite a step from being able to identify yourself securely over the internet and being forced to do so under all circumstances.For some website to require you to divulge your identity for the privilege of posting is something I would find acceptable , it 's their forum after all .
For the government to mandate that every website was to do this would be both stupid and unenforceable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's quite a step from being able to identify yourself securely over the internet and being forced to do so under all circumstances.For some website to require you to divulge your identity for the privilege of posting is something I would find acceptable, it's their forum after all.
For the government to mandate that every website was to do this would be both stupid and unenforceable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534550</id>
	<title>Re:Not really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269001620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LOL - this is pretty much my thinking. Its only people Manchester who actually have them, and from what I remember only about 8000 people took them up. Even the pilots for whom the cards were mandatory refused to take them!</p><p>This just sounds like another "incentive".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL - this is pretty much my thinking .
Its only people Manchester who actually have them , and from what I remember only about 8000 people took them up .
Even the pilots for whom the cards were mandatory refused to take them ! This just sounds like another " incentive " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL - this is pretty much my thinking.
Its only people Manchester who actually have them, and from what I remember only about 8000 people took them up.
Even the pilots for whom the cards were mandatory refused to take them!This just sounds like another "incentive".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31533942</id>
	<title>you missed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268993220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.....and utterely terrifying as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.....and utterely terrifying as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.....and utterely terrifying as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534050</id>
	<title>ID cards are so yesterday</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268995020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about just inserting a chip under our skin? With million of plastic ID cards, that just seems wasteful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about just inserting a chip under our skin ?
With million of plastic ID cards , that just seems wasteful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about just inserting a chip under our skin?
With million of plastic ID cards, that just seems wasteful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31533964</id>
	<title>Before someone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268993700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>reads only page 1 of the article to say that the UK government is "putting all its eggs in one basket", please read <i>the entire article.</i> (Yes, I know this is Slashdot.)  Says the article:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Hillier's stance seems to contradict her statements last year which argued against adding too many features to ID cards, saying: "If you try and lay too much on something then you risk overwhelming it and making it too complex."</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>reads only page 1 of the article to say that the UK government is " putting all its eggs in one basket " , please read the entire article .
( Yes , I know this is Slashdot .
) Says the article : Hillier 's stance seems to contradict her statements last year which argued against adding too many features to ID cards , saying : " If you try and lay too much on something then you risk overwhelming it and making it too complex .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>reads only page 1 of the article to say that the UK government is "putting all its eggs in one basket", please read the entire article.
(Yes, I know this is Slashdot.
)  Says the article:Hillier's stance seems to contradict her statements last year which argued against adding too many features to ID cards, saying: "If you try and lay too much on something then you risk overwhelming it and making it too complex.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31536846</id>
	<title>Re:It's not a kick in the teeth for anyone.</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1269012180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see what you're saying, but the cost is an important issue - sadly a lot of people don't care about the civil liberty issues (you and I do, but that doesn't persuade people), but they do care about the immense cost, which the Government has been trying to hide. So it is an issue if, even after spending the &pound;60 for a card, or &pound;123 for the passport version (both figures include the &pound;30 processing feeds, which the Government conveniently doesn't include), that's suddenly obsolete a few years later, with new versions being even more expensive.</p><p>Progress is fine, but forced compulsory expensive progress is not what everyone wants.</p><p>It's also worth watching this news, as the Government is bound to spin it the other way - "look how wonderful ID cards will be, you'll be able to do everything with them!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see what you 're saying , but the cost is an important issue - sadly a lot of people do n't care about the civil liberty issues ( you and I do , but that does n't persuade people ) , but they do care about the immense cost , which the Government has been trying to hide .
So it is an issue if , even after spending the   60 for a card , or   123 for the passport version ( both figures include the   30 processing feeds , which the Government conveniently does n't include ) , that 's suddenly obsolete a few years later , with new versions being even more expensive.Progress is fine , but forced compulsory expensive progress is not what everyone wants.It 's also worth watching this news , as the Government is bound to spin it the other way - " look how wonderful ID cards will be , you 'll be able to do everything with them !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see what you're saying, but the cost is an important issue - sadly a lot of people don't care about the civil liberty issues (you and I do, but that doesn't persuade people), but they do care about the immense cost, which the Government has been trying to hide.
So it is an issue if, even after spending the £60 for a card, or £123 for the passport version (both figures include the £30 processing feeds, which the Government conveniently doesn't include), that's suddenly obsolete a few years later, with new versions being even more expensive.Progress is fine, but forced compulsory expensive progress is not what everyone wants.It's also worth watching this news, as the Government is bound to spin it the other way - "look how wonderful ID cards will be, you'll be able to do everything with them!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534874</id>
	<title>Re:Not really</title>
	<author>colinRTM</author>
	<datestamp>1269005100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>All six teeth, you mean?  Well, we <i>are</i> British...</htmltext>
<tokenext>All six teeth , you mean ?
Well , we are British.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All six teeth, you mean?
Well, we are British...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534416</id>
	<title>Re:Or not</title>
	<author>Wowsers</author>
	<datestamp>1268999940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A "super ID card", will see how good it is against a cigarette lighter, shove their ID cards cards where the sun don't shine (unfortunately I read that there are many current government ministers who would like that experience).<br><br>This corrupt government will force ID cards on people by stealth. There are plans to add a section to the passport application form. If you do not want an ID card, you will not get a passport. That's an easy way to force people to have cards they don't want. The current government are THE most corrupt in the UK's history.<br><br>Kick the corrupt UK government out of power, then the UK public will save &amp;pound;20bn, and not have every excuse for public sector "worker" from the police downwards asking "Papieren Bitte", just like in Nazi Germany.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A " super ID card " , will see how good it is against a cigarette lighter , shove their ID cards cards where the sun do n't shine ( unfortunately I read that there are many current government ministers who would like that experience ) .This corrupt government will force ID cards on people by stealth .
There are plans to add a section to the passport application form .
If you do not want an ID card , you will not get a passport .
That 's an easy way to force people to have cards they do n't want .
The current government are THE most corrupt in the UK 's history.Kick the corrupt UK government out of power , then the UK public will save   20bn , and not have every excuse for public sector " worker " from the police downwards asking " Papieren Bitte " , just like in Nazi Germany .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A "super ID card", will see how good it is against a cigarette lighter, shove their ID cards cards where the sun don't shine (unfortunately I read that there are many current government ministers who would like that experience).This corrupt government will force ID cards on people by stealth.
There are plans to add a section to the passport application form.
If you do not want an ID card, you will not get a passport.
That's an easy way to force people to have cards they don't want.
The current government are THE most corrupt in the UK's history.Kick the corrupt UK government out of power, then the UK public will save £20bn, and not have every excuse for public sector "worker" from the police downwards asking "Papieren Bitte", just like in Nazi Germany.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534640</id>
	<title>Re:I'm sorry citizen...</title>
	<author>jo\_ham</author>
	<datestamp>1269002700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"all" internet activity is a bit of a stretch. I would say that it would be more like "all the services on direct.gov" like paying your taxes, updating car tax and anything else that is currently accessed via the login credentials they sent you some time ago - I have a little card somewhere with those details on that I use to do my taxes online.</p><p>I don't think they have any intention of making it a requirement to "log into the internet" as a whole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" all " internet activity is a bit of a stretch .
I would say that it would be more like " all the services on direct.gov " like paying your taxes , updating car tax and anything else that is currently accessed via the login credentials they sent you some time ago - I have a little card somewhere with those details on that I use to do my taxes online.I do n't think they have any intention of making it a requirement to " log into the internet " as a whole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"all" internet activity is a bit of a stretch.
I would say that it would be more like "all the services on direct.gov" like paying your taxes, updating car tax and anything else that is currently accessed via the login credentials they sent you some time ago - I have a little card somewhere with those details on that I use to do my taxes online.I don't think they have any intention of making it a requirement to "log into the internet" as a whole.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31547820</id>
	<title>Re:It's always been my dream ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269027900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's always been the government's dream too:</p><blockquote><div><p>Another professor showed me a large paper of instructions for discovering plots and conspiracies against the government. He advised great statesmen to examine into the diet of all suspected persons; their times of eating; upon which side they lay in bed; with which hand they wipe their posteriors; take a strict view of their excrements, and, from the colour, the odour, the taste, the consistence, the crudeness or maturity of digestion, form a judgment of their thoughts and designs; because men are never so serious, thoughtful, and intent, as when they are at stool, which he found by frequent experiment; for, in such conjunctures, when he used, merely as a trial, to consider which was the best way of murdering the king, his ordure would have a tincture of green; but quite different, when he thought only of raising an insurrection, or burning the metropolis.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The whole discourse was written with great acuteness, containing many observations, both curious and useful for politicians; but, as I conceived, not altogether complete. This I ventured to tell the author, and offered, if he pleased, to supply him with some additions. He received my proposition with more compliance than is usual among writers, especially those of the projecting species, professing "he would be glad to receive further information.</p></div></blockquote><p> - Gulliver's Travels, Book III</p><blockquote><div><p>"We want information... Information... Information..."<br>"You won't get it."<br>"By hook or by crook, we will."<br>
&nbsp;</p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's always been the government 's dream too : Another professor showed me a large paper of instructions for discovering plots and conspiracies against the government .
He advised great statesmen to examine into the diet of all suspected persons ; their times of eating ; upon which side they lay in bed ; with which hand they wipe their posteriors ; take a strict view of their excrements , and , from the colour , the odour , the taste , the consistence , the crudeness or maturity of digestion , form a judgment of their thoughts and designs ; because men are never so serious , thoughtful , and intent , as when they are at stool , which he found by frequent experiment ; for , in such conjunctures , when he used , merely as a trial , to consider which was the best way of murdering the king , his ordure would have a tincture of green ; but quite different , when he thought only of raising an insurrection , or burning the metropolis .
        The whole discourse was written with great acuteness , containing many observations , both curious and useful for politicians ; but , as I conceived , not altogether complete .
This I ventured to tell the author , and offered , if he pleased , to supply him with some additions .
He received my proposition with more compliance than is usual among writers , especially those of the projecting species , professing " he would be glad to receive further information .
- Gulliver 's Travels , Book III " We want information... Information... Information... " " You wo n't get it .
" " By hook or by crook , we will .
"  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's always been the government's dream too:Another professor showed me a large paper of instructions for discovering plots and conspiracies against the government.
He advised great statesmen to examine into the diet of all suspected persons; their times of eating; upon which side they lay in bed; with which hand they wipe their posteriors; take a strict view of their excrements, and, from the colour, the odour, the taste, the consistence, the crudeness or maturity of digestion, form a judgment of their thoughts and designs; because men are never so serious, thoughtful, and intent, as when they are at stool, which he found by frequent experiment; for, in such conjunctures, when he used, merely as a trial, to consider which was the best way of murdering the king, his ordure would have a tincture of green; but quite different, when he thought only of raising an insurrection, or burning the metropolis.
        The whole discourse was written with great acuteness, containing many observations, both curious and useful for politicians; but, as I conceived, not altogether complete.
This I ventured to tell the author, and offered, if he pleased, to supply him with some additions.
He received my proposition with more compliance than is usual among writers, especially those of the projecting species, professing "he would be glad to receive further information.
- Gulliver's Travels, Book III"We want information... Information... Information...""You won't get it.
""By hook or by crook, we will.
"
  
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534090</id>
	<title>Most people are not bothered</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268995440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people in the UK are happy to be profiled in exchange for financial benefits. When the Tesco Clubcard was introduced it was so popular that people stopped shopping at other supermarkets like Sainsburys, which then had to introduce their own "loyalty card" schemes. Tesco announced last year that there are now <a href="http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/news/943397/Tesco-Clubcard-signs-one-million-customers-relaunch/" title="marketingmagazine.co.uk">16 million <b>active</b> clubcards in the UK</a> [marketingmagazine.co.uk]. As a comparison point there are around 25 million households in the UK , so a significant number of British households are having their shopping profiled in detail already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people in the UK are happy to be profiled in exchange for financial benefits .
When the Tesco Clubcard was introduced it was so popular that people stopped shopping at other supermarkets like Sainsburys , which then had to introduce their own " loyalty card " schemes .
Tesco announced last year that there are now 16 million active clubcards in the UK [ marketingmagazine.co.uk ] .
As a comparison point there are around 25 million households in the UK , so a significant number of British households are having their shopping profiled in detail already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people in the UK are happy to be profiled in exchange for financial benefits.
When the Tesco Clubcard was introduced it was so popular that people stopped shopping at other supermarkets like Sainsburys, which then had to introduce their own "loyalty card" schemes.
Tesco announced last year that there are now 16 million active clubcards in the UK [marketingmagazine.co.uk].
As a comparison point there are around 25 million households in the UK , so a significant number of British households are having their shopping profiled in detail already.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31533940</id>
	<title>Or not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268993160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe the buyers of this generation ID cards would just want, well, an ID card.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the buyers of this generation ID cards would just want , well , an ID card .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the buyers of this generation ID cards would just want, well, an ID card.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31533976</id>
	<title>It's always been my dream ...</title>
	<author>Aceticon</author>
	<datestamp>1268993880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's always been my dream to be profiled by law enforcement on the basis of my shopping.</p><p>Who knows, maybe my toilet paper buying habits exactly match those of a known terrorist and the men in black will single me out for "special attention". After all, who doesn't want to be incarcerated for 28 days without actually being accused of anything because of buying "the supermarket's brand in packs of 4 in average once every two months" just like the terrorists.</p><p>The good news is that using a Government provided electronic ID card for shopping will bring me closer to my dream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's always been my dream to be profiled by law enforcement on the basis of my shopping.Who knows , maybe my toilet paper buying habits exactly match those of a known terrorist and the men in black will single me out for " special attention " .
After all , who does n't want to be incarcerated for 28 days without actually being accused of anything because of buying " the supermarket 's brand in packs of 4 in average once every two months " just like the terrorists.The good news is that using a Government provided electronic ID card for shopping will bring me closer to my dream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's always been my dream to be profiled by law enforcement on the basis of my shopping.Who knows, maybe my toilet paper buying habits exactly match those of a known terrorist and the men in black will single me out for "special attention".
After all, who doesn't want to be incarcerated for 28 days without actually being accused of anything because of buying "the supermarket's brand in packs of 4 in average once every two months" just like the terrorists.The good news is that using a Government provided electronic ID card for shopping will bring me closer to my dream.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31535060</id>
	<title>Re:Not really</title>
	<author>VJ42</author>
	<datestamp>1269006780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's charmingly naive.  You seriously think that Cameron <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cameron+referendum+lie&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:official&amp;client=firefox-a" title="google.co.uk">will hold to his promise to cancel ID cards?</a> [google.co.uk]</p> </div><p>Not a Tory*, but "Dave" was absolutely right that a referendum post ratification would be pointless. They were idiots for promising one in the first place.
<br>
On the issue of the ID card; both opposition parties have pledged to drop the card and it has stopped being a vote winner to the extent that even Labour have rolled back the extent of the scheme. Now that cuts are needed it's an obvious, symbolic, target, but I'll keep donating to <a href="http://www.no2id.net/" title="no2id.net">no2id</a> [no2id.net] to keep the pressure up to try and make sure that the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National\_Identity\_Register" title="wikipedia.org">NIR</a> [wikipedia.org] is dropped as well as the card.
<br>
<br>
*I live in a lib-dem\tory marginal &amp; am a member of <a href="http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/" title="pirateparty.org.uk">the Pirate Party UK</a> [pirateparty.org.uk]. I'll probably vote Lib-dem.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's charmingly naive .
You seriously think that Cameron will hold to his promise to cancel ID cards ?
[ google.co.uk ] Not a Tory * , but " Dave " was absolutely right that a referendum post ratification would be pointless .
They were idiots for promising one in the first place .
On the issue of the ID card ; both opposition parties have pledged to drop the card and it has stopped being a vote winner to the extent that even Labour have rolled back the extent of the scheme .
Now that cuts are needed it 's an obvious , symbolic , target , but I 'll keep donating to no2id [ no2id.net ] to keep the pressure up to try and make sure that the NIR [ wikipedia.org ] is dropped as well as the card .
* I live in a lib-dem \ tory marginal &amp; am a member of the Pirate Party UK [ pirateparty.org.uk ] .
I 'll probably vote Lib-dem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's charmingly naive.
You seriously think that Cameron will hold to his promise to cancel ID cards?
[google.co.uk] Not a Tory*, but "Dave" was absolutely right that a referendum post ratification would be pointless.
They were idiots for promising one in the first place.
On the issue of the ID card; both opposition parties have pledged to drop the card and it has stopped being a vote winner to the extent that even Labour have rolled back the extent of the scheme.
Now that cuts are needed it's an obvious, symbolic, target, but I'll keep donating to no2id [no2id.net] to keep the pressure up to try and make sure that the NIR [wikipedia.org] is dropped as well as the card.
*I live in a lib-dem\tory marginal &amp; am a member of the Pirate Party UK [pirateparty.org.uk].
I'll probably vote Lib-dem.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31537722</id>
	<title>Re:Not really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269014280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's a bit of a kick in the teeth for the people who have already paid &pound;30 for a 1st gen card that can't do any of these things.</i></p><p><i>Yes, all 6 of them.</i> </p><p>Only six teeth??? Why are they selling these things in Arkansas?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a bit of a kick in the teeth for the people who have already paid   30 for a 1st gen card that ca n't do any of these things.Yes , all 6 of them .
Only six teeth ? ? ?
Why are they selling these things in Arkansas ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a bit of a kick in the teeth for the people who have already paid £30 for a 1st gen card that can't do any of these things.Yes, all 6 of them.
Only six teeth???
Why are they selling these things in Arkansas?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31536582</id>
	<title>Re:Most people are not bothered</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1269011520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do they get mailed to you?<b> <br>At the same address you used for the last card?</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they get mailed to you ?
At the same address you used for the last card ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they get mailed to you?
At the same address you used for the last card?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31535882</id>
	<title>Re:I'm sorry citizen...</title>
	<author>CarbonShell</author>
	<datestamp>1269009480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Am I being paranoid? My wife would say so.'<br>My wife says the same as well<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. but then time and again I get to say 'I TOLD YOU SO!!!'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Am I being paranoid ?
My wife would say so .
'My wife says the same as well .. but then time and again I get to say 'I TOLD YOU SO ! ! !
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Am I being paranoid?
My wife would say so.
'My wife says the same as well .. but then time and again I get to say 'I TOLD YOU SO!!!
'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31535186</id>
	<title>Re:I'm sorry citizen...</title>
	<author>weicco</author>
	<datestamp>1269007260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some could say this is slippery slope argument but I'm not one of them. And I assure everyone that I'm not a typical paranoid tinfoil-hat-wearing-guy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) I'm just concerned about our rights.</p><p>I don't know much about UK but where I live our rights have been reduced little by little. Recently government gave rights to companies to spy on their employees' web traffic. There are limitations to what you can spy upon but it's a start and in couple of years who know if these limitations are to be relaxed. And in fact, companies don't even need this right. They can achieve their goals (there were some discussion about watching over what people do on company time) without the spying part also.</p><p>Earlier it was given rights to police to filter out network traffic going out of the country. It was supposed to be used to "prevent people accidentally finding child porn in the internet". It's that that nobody really knows, except couple of police officers, which sites are being filtered (they are being filtered by URL in ISPs DNS server). It's been discovered that "they" have actually filtered out completely legitimite sites that displays adult gay porn for instance plus <b>local site that critisises the filtering</b>. The law does not permit filtering local sites so this is a great example how authorities exceeds their rights whenever they are given the opportunity.</p><p>All these well-meaning laws can and will be used against their purpose. Not neccessarily on this year or next one but when you open the door to corruption it is hard to close. And you know what "they" are planning now... Electric voting system where computer calculates the results. Possibly including voting from home over the internet too. Our current voting system effectively prevents corruption so I don't know why it needs to be changed.</p><p>You probably right about "career politicians" but there are some of us who actually like to serve <b>the people</b>. I'm a small time politician (I've worked in a small communal commitee which I found out to be really fun) who wishes to move to the big league in the future but with thoughts like this I don't think it's going to happen any time soon<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Ugh. I have spoken.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some could say this is slippery slope argument but I 'm not one of them .
And I assure everyone that I 'm not a typical paranoid tinfoil-hat-wearing-guy : ) I 'm just concerned about our rights.I do n't know much about UK but where I live our rights have been reduced little by little .
Recently government gave rights to companies to spy on their employees ' web traffic .
There are limitations to what you can spy upon but it 's a start and in couple of years who know if these limitations are to be relaxed .
And in fact , companies do n't even need this right .
They can achieve their goals ( there were some discussion about watching over what people do on company time ) without the spying part also.Earlier it was given rights to police to filter out network traffic going out of the country .
It was supposed to be used to " prevent people accidentally finding child porn in the internet " .
It 's that that nobody really knows , except couple of police officers , which sites are being filtered ( they are being filtered by URL in ISPs DNS server ) .
It 's been discovered that " they " have actually filtered out completely legitimite sites that displays adult gay porn for instance plus local site that critisises the filtering .
The law does not permit filtering local sites so this is a great example how authorities exceeds their rights whenever they are given the opportunity.All these well-meaning laws can and will be used against their purpose .
Not neccessarily on this year or next one but when you open the door to corruption it is hard to close .
And you know what " they " are planning now... Electric voting system where computer calculates the results .
Possibly including voting from home over the internet too .
Our current voting system effectively prevents corruption so I do n't know why it needs to be changed.You probably right about " career politicians " but there are some of us who actually like to serve the people .
I 'm a small time politician ( I 've worked in a small communal commitee which I found out to be really fun ) who wishes to move to the big league in the future but with thoughts like this I do n't think it 's going to happen any time soon : ) Ugh .
I have spoken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some could say this is slippery slope argument but I'm not one of them.
And I assure everyone that I'm not a typical paranoid tinfoil-hat-wearing-guy :) I'm just concerned about our rights.I don't know much about UK but where I live our rights have been reduced little by little.
Recently government gave rights to companies to spy on their employees' web traffic.
There are limitations to what you can spy upon but it's a start and in couple of years who know if these limitations are to be relaxed.
And in fact, companies don't even need this right.
They can achieve their goals (there were some discussion about watching over what people do on company time) without the spying part also.Earlier it was given rights to police to filter out network traffic going out of the country.
It was supposed to be used to "prevent people accidentally finding child porn in the internet".
It's that that nobody really knows, except couple of police officers, which sites are being filtered (they are being filtered by URL in ISPs DNS server).
It's been discovered that "they" have actually filtered out completely legitimite sites that displays adult gay porn for instance plus local site that critisises the filtering.
The law does not permit filtering local sites so this is a great example how authorities exceeds their rights whenever they are given the opportunity.All these well-meaning laws can and will be used against their purpose.
Not neccessarily on this year or next one but when you open the door to corruption it is hard to close.
And you know what "they" are planning now... Electric voting system where computer calculates the results.
Possibly including voting from home over the internet too.
Our current voting system effectively prevents corruption so I don't know why it needs to be changed.You probably right about "career politicians" but there are some of us who actually like to serve the people.
I'm a small time politician (I've worked in a small communal commitee which I found out to be really fun) who wishes to move to the big league in the future but with thoughts like this I don't think it's going to happen any time soon :)Ugh.
I have spoken.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534712</id>
	<title>Re:Most people are not bothered</title>
	<author>Bartab</author>
	<datestamp>1269003480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know if you silly 'subjects of the crown' do this, but I've never had a loyalty card for over a week. I swap them around and get new ones all the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if you silly 'subjects of the crown ' do this , but I 've never had a loyalty card for over a week .
I swap them around and get new ones all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if you silly 'subjects of the crown' do this, but I've never had a loyalty card for over a week.
I swap them around and get new ones all the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534482</id>
	<title>Re:Before someone</title>
	<author>FuckingNickName</author>
	<datestamp>1269000660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hillier? <i>Hillier?</i> So officials under <i>Hillier</i> will be asking for our papers?</p><p>Hail Meg...!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hillier ?
Hillier ? So officials under Hillier will be asking for our papers ? Hail Meg... !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hillier?
Hillier? So officials under Hillier will be asking for our papers?Hail Meg...!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534496</id>
	<title>Re:Not really</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1269000900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's charmingly naive.  You seriously think that Cameron <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cameron+referendum+lie&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:official&amp;client=firefox-a" title="google.co.uk">will hold to his promise to cancel ID cards?</a> [google.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's charmingly naive .
You seriously think that Cameron will hold to his promise to cancel ID cards ?
[ google.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's charmingly naive.
You seriously think that Cameron will hold to his promise to cancel ID cards?
[google.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31533980</id>
	<title>Re:Not really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268993940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>6? There's that many out there now?</p><p>If they actually care, I'd imagine they'd be more upset at the fact that ID cards are almost certainly not going to survive the next election in a couple of months more than anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>6 ?
There 's that many out there now ? If they actually care , I 'd imagine they 'd be more upset at the fact that ID cards are almost certainly not going to survive the next election in a couple of months more than anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>6?
There's that many out there now?If they actually care, I'd imagine they'd be more upset at the fact that ID cards are almost certainly not going to survive the next election in a couple of months more than anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534034</id>
	<title>Re:It's always been my dream ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268994720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>being accused of anything because of buying "the supermarket's brand in packs of 4 in average once every two months" just like the terrorists.</p></div></blockquote><p>Consider increasing the fibre in your diet. That'll foul up their profiling.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>being accused of anything because of buying " the supermarket 's brand in packs of 4 in average once every two months " just like the terrorists.Consider increasing the fibre in your diet .
That 'll foul up their profiling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>being accused of anything because of buying "the supermarket's brand in packs of 4 in average once every two months" just like the terrorists.Consider increasing the fibre in your diet.
That'll foul up their profiling.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534584</id>
	<title>Re:Most people are not bothered</title>
	<author>Doctor\_Wibble</author>
	<datestamp>1269002160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Most people in the UK are happy to be profiled in exchange for financial benefits.</p><p>I'm not sure this is quite accurate - what proportion of people with those store cards have even the faintest clue what the profiling involves, or even that it is happening?</p><p>They will have signed up for the card on the basis of getting vouchers in return for shopping at ther same place. Even if the application form said anything specific about profiling - doubtful, as it would be in terms of 'we may use information' - it would be in the small print, and not many people bother to read that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Most people in the UK are happy to be profiled in exchange for financial benefits.I 'm not sure this is quite accurate - what proportion of people with those store cards have even the faintest clue what the profiling involves , or even that it is happening ? They will have signed up for the card on the basis of getting vouchers in return for shopping at ther same place .
Even if the application form said anything specific about profiling - doubtful , as it would be in terms of 'we may use information ' - it would be in the small print , and not many people bother to read that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Most people in the UK are happy to be profiled in exchange for financial benefits.I'm not sure this is quite accurate - what proportion of people with those store cards have even the faintest clue what the profiling involves, or even that it is happening?They will have signed up for the card on the basis of getting vouchers in return for shopping at ther same place.
Even if the application form said anything specific about profiling - doubtful, as it would be in terms of 'we may use information' - it would be in the small print, and not many people bother to read that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534506</id>
	<title>Re:I'm sorry citizen...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269001020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There isn't an incoming government.  If you mean the Tories, they have made it quite clear they will scrap the ID card.</p><p>As for "these people", generalize much?  There are many counter-examples.  John Major is the first one that springs to mind (Tory prime minister; state schooled).</p><p>You're not paranoid, just ill-informed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is n't an incoming government .
If you mean the Tories , they have made it quite clear they will scrap the ID card.As for " these people " , generalize much ?
There are many counter-examples .
John Major is the first one that springs to mind ( Tory prime minister ; state schooled ) .You 're not paranoid , just ill-informed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There isn't an incoming government.
If you mean the Tories, they have made it quite clear they will scrap the ID card.As for "these people", generalize much?
There are many counter-examples.
John Major is the first one that springs to mind (Tory prime minister; state schooled).You're not paranoid, just ill-informed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31533998</id>
	<title>Yes</title>
	<author>Dunbal</author>
	<datestamp>1268994240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One single card that absolutely verifies who you are AND accesses all your finances. What a wonderful idea! What could possibly go wrong?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One single card that absolutely verifies who you are AND accesses all your finances .
What a wonderful idea !
What could possibly go wrong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One single card that absolutely verifies who you are AND accesses all your finances.
What a wonderful idea!
What could possibly go wrong?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534444</id>
	<title>Re:I'm sorry citizen...</title>
	<author>molecular</author>
	<datestamp>1269000240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At some point, they will make ISPs drop every packet that is not signed using an ID-Card.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At some point , they will make ISPs drop every packet that is not signed using an ID-Card .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At some point, they will make ISPs drop every packet that is not signed using an ID-Card.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534534</id>
	<title>Re:Not really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269001440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pssst, Israel will buy 'unwanted' ones for their 'library'.<br>And if they don't buy them, a secondary market for those in France who want to come to UK is there.<br>The cards prove nothing - all you need do, it look fairly similar. All the cards prove is somebody paid 30 quid for em.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pssst , Israel will buy 'unwanted ' ones for their 'library'.And if they do n't buy them , a secondary market for those in France who want to come to UK is there.The cards prove nothing - all you need do , it look fairly similar .
All the cards prove is somebody paid 30 quid for em .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pssst, Israel will buy 'unwanted' ones for their 'library'.And if they don't buy them, a secondary market for those in France who want to come to UK is there.The cards prove nothing - all you need do, it look fairly similar.
All the cards prove is somebody paid 30 quid for em.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_012242.31534308</id>
	<title>one step less into our privacy peers</title>
	<author>freaker\_TuC</author>
	<datestamp>1268998560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd rather like to have a few steps inbetween before the government gets a full profile over me; not that I'm buying terrorist goods in our supermarket but rather because I'd like to have my own privacy too; which kind of brands of toilet paper I consume.</p><p>By taking away every piece of the chain this gives the UK government unfettered access to any buyers profile of their citizens.</p><p>Such things should only happen with a court order; instead of profiling an entire country in order to select the terrorist next door using statistics from such profiling. I've never signed up for "Open Privacy" although I might believe in "Open Source". Not everything in all our lives should be open for the take.</p><p>Do imagine all this data gets hacked into/sold by officials; I can assure the black market will be paying gold for such data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd rather like to have a few steps inbetween before the government gets a full profile over me ; not that I 'm buying terrorist goods in our supermarket but rather because I 'd like to have my own privacy too ; which kind of brands of toilet paper I consume.By taking away every piece of the chain this gives the UK government unfettered access to any buyers profile of their citizens.Such things should only happen with a court order ; instead of profiling an entire country in order to select the terrorist next door using statistics from such profiling .
I 've never signed up for " Open Privacy " although I might believe in " Open Source " .
Not everything in all our lives should be open for the take.Do imagine all this data gets hacked into/sold by officials ; I can assure the black market will be paying gold for such data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd rather like to have a few steps inbetween before the government gets a full profile over me; not that I'm buying terrorist goods in our supermarket but rather because I'd like to have my own privacy too; which kind of brands of toilet paper I consume.By taking away every piece of the chain this gives the UK government unfettered access to any buyers profile of their citizens.Such things should only happen with a court order; instead of profiling an entire country in order to select the terrorist next door using statistics from such profiling.
I've never signed up for "Open Privacy" although I might believe in "Open Source".
Not everything in all our lives should be open for the take.Do imagine all this data gets hacked into/sold by officials; I can assure the black market will be paying gold for such data.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Not really</title>
	<author>Spad</author>
	<datestamp>1268993400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's a bit of a kick in the teeth for the people who have already paid &pound;30 for a 1st gen card that can't do any of these things.</p></div><p>Yes, all 6 of them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a bit of a kick in the teeth for the people who have already paid   30 for a 1st gen card that ca n't do any of these things.Yes , all 6 of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a bit of a kick in the teeth for the people who have already paid £30 for a 1st gen card that can't do any of these things.Yes, all 6 of them.
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	<title>Re:A kick in the teeth... for whom?</title>
	<author>sa1lnr</author>
	<datestamp>1269002220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, my heart bleeds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , my heart bleeds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, my heart bleeds.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Yes</title>
	<author>ferd\_farkle</author>
	<datestamp>1268997480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why I like cash. It has some other guy's picture on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why I like cash .
It has some other guy 's picture on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why I like cash.
It has some other guy's picture on it.</sentencetext>
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