<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_18_0027235</id>
	<title>P2P and P2P Links Ruled Legal In Spain</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1268939520000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Nieriko writes <i>After three years of arduous litigation, Jesus Guerra Calderon, owner of both a small bar and the P2P link webpage 'elrincondejesus.com' has <a href="http://www.myce.com/news/spain-allows-p2p-link-sharing-copyrighted-works-27211/">beaten the SGAE</a> (something like the Spanish version of the RIAA). The historic ruling states not only <a href="http://www.barcelonareporter.com/index.php?/news/comments/p2p\_file-sharing\_legal\_in\_spain/1503100727pm">the legality of link webpages, but also the legality of P2P file-sharing networks</a>. Quoting the judge: 'P2P Networks as mere data transmision networks between individual internet users, do not breach any rights protected by the Intellectual Property Law.' Downloading a file (from a P2P network) for private use is perfectly legal as long as there is no lucrative or collective use of the downloaded copy."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nieriko writes After three years of arduous litigation , Jesus Guerra Calderon , owner of both a small bar and the P2P link webpage 'elrincondejesus.com ' has beaten the SGAE ( something like the Spanish version of the RIAA ) .
The historic ruling states not only the legality of link webpages , but also the legality of P2P file-sharing networks .
Quoting the judge : 'P2P Networks as mere data transmision networks between individual internet users , do not breach any rights protected by the Intellectual Property Law .
' Downloading a file ( from a P2P network ) for private use is perfectly legal as long as there is no lucrative or collective use of the downloaded copy .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nieriko writes After three years of arduous litigation, Jesus Guerra Calderon, owner of both a small bar and the P2P link webpage 'elrincondejesus.com' has beaten the SGAE (something like the Spanish version of the RIAA).
The historic ruling states not only the legality of link webpages, but also the legality of P2P file-sharing networks.
Quoting the judge: 'P2P Networks as mere data transmision networks between individual internet users, do not breach any rights protected by the Intellectual Property Law.
' Downloading a file (from a P2P network) for private use is perfectly legal as long as there is no lucrative or collective use of the downloaded copy.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520282</id>
	<title>Re:MAFIAA Loses to Jesus</title>
	<author>MistrX</author>
	<datestamp>1268908200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is Jesus a pirate? Or what kind of movies does Jesus download?</p><p>All questions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is Jesus a pirate ?
Or what kind of movies does Jesus download ? All questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is Jesus a pirate?
Or what kind of movies does Jesus download?All questions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520460</id>
	<title>Re:Spanish system description</title>
	<author>HopefulIntern</author>
	<datestamp>1268910780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dude, you are SO spanish!

You even type with an accent, I love it!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , you are SO spanish !
You even type with an accent , I love it !
: p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, you are SO spanish!
You even type with an accent, I love it!
:p</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31519996</id>
	<title>Oh, noes!</title>
	<author>zmollusc</author>
	<datestamp>1268903880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh FFS! We are in a global war on terror, and those crazy Spaniards pull something like this? It is Thursday morning here in Europe, by Monday all of Spain's society will have collapsed and we will have another Iraq, right on our doorstep. Tuesday, tops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh FFS !
We are in a global war on terror , and those crazy Spaniards pull something like this ?
It is Thursday morning here in Europe , by Monday all of Spain 's society will have collapsed and we will have another Iraq , right on our doorstep .
Tuesday , tops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh FFS!
We are in a global war on terror, and those crazy Spaniards pull something like this?
It is Thursday morning here in Europe, by Monday all of Spain's society will have collapsed and we will have another Iraq, right on our doorstep.
Tuesday, tops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520254</id>
	<title>finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268907780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>finally, a judge with some sense. and less riaa dollars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>finally , a judge with some sense .
and less riaa dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>finally, a judge with some sense.
and less riaa dollars.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31522804</id>
	<title>What means "collective use"?</title>
	<author>PhilHibbs</author>
	<datestamp>1268926980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and does "lucrative" only refer to monetary benefit? I think this still leaves the door open to action against P2P, because any file that you are downloading, you are usually also uploading as well. Does that count as "collective use"? If you are uploading in order to maintain your "share ratio", and that share ratio is used to allow you to keep on downloading to acquire more material, does that quid pro quo count as "lucrative"? Wiktionary defines lucrative as "producing a surplus", not necessarily monetary gain, but of course the Spanish ruling may have different subtleties of meaning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and does " lucrative " only refer to monetary benefit ?
I think this still leaves the door open to action against P2P , because any file that you are downloading , you are usually also uploading as well .
Does that count as " collective use " ?
If you are uploading in order to maintain your " share ratio " , and that share ratio is used to allow you to keep on downloading to acquire more material , does that quid pro quo count as " lucrative " ?
Wiktionary defines lucrative as " producing a surplus " , not necessarily monetary gain , but of course the Spanish ruling may have different subtleties of meaning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and does "lucrative" only refer to monetary benefit?
I think this still leaves the door open to action against P2P, because any file that you are downloading, you are usually also uploading as well.
Does that count as "collective use"?
If you are uploading in order to maintain your "share ratio", and that share ratio is used to allow you to keep on downloading to acquire more material, does that quid pro quo count as "lucrative"?
Wiktionary defines lucrative as "producing a surplus", not necessarily monetary gain, but of course the Spanish ruling may have different subtleties of meaning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520006</id>
	<title>Piratebay/Mininova moves to Spain</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268904060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the internet nobody knows you're a dog or where you host your torrent links........</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the internet nobody knows you 're a dog or where you host your torrent links....... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the internet nobody knows you're a dog or where you host your torrent links........</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31522682</id>
	<title>SGAE? 'S soooo GAE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268926440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SGAE?</p><p>I agree.<br>'S sooooooo GAE!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SGAE ? I agree .
'S sooooooo GAE !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SGAE?I agree.
'S sooooooo GAE!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520380</id>
	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268909760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a levy in Slovakia too (3\% I think). It's already included in the price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a levy in Slovakia too ( 3 \ % I think ) .
It 's already included in the price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a levy in Slovakia too (3\% I think).
It's already included in the price.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520192</id>
	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>icebraining</author>
	<datestamp>1268907060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Spain there's also a levy: <a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon\_por\_copia\_privada\_(Espa\%C3\%B1a)" title="wikipedia.org">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon\_por\_copia\_privada\_(Espa\%C3\%B1a)</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Spain there 's also a levy : http : //es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon \ _por \ _copia \ _privada \ _ ( Espa \ % C3 \ % B1a ) [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Spain there's also a levy: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon\_por\_copia\_privada\_(Espa\%C3\%B1a) [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31522722</id>
	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>Pofy</author>
	<datestamp>1268926620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Why don't people want to pay for what they use anymore?"</p><p>Do you pay the writer som money when you for example borrows a book from someone to read? Or what about when you listen to some music at someone elses house? Or when you sit in a chair doing so. Or do you want to use it without paying for it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Why do n't people want to pay for what they use anymore ?
" Do you pay the writer som money when you for example borrows a book from someone to read ?
Or what about when you listen to some music at someone elses house ?
Or when you sit in a chair doing so .
Or do you want to use it without paying for it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Why don't people want to pay for what they use anymore?
"Do you pay the writer som money when you for example borrows a book from someone to read?
Or what about when you listen to some music at someone elses house?
Or when you sit in a chair doing so.
Or do you want to use it without paying for it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31526302</id>
	<title>It creates precedent</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1268942340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>prior rulings are used as precedents in interpretions of law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>prior rulings are used as precedents in interpretions of law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>prior rulings are used as precedents in interpretions of law.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31531514</id>
	<title>Re:MAFIAA Loses to Jesus</title>
	<author>stuckinphp</author>
	<datestamp>1268920860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>readying anything after this comment is like reading a book after reading the last page in the book store.</p><p>You know you want to, but there just isn't any point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>readying anything after this comment is like reading a book after reading the last page in the book store.You know you want to , but there just is n't any point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>readying anything after this comment is like reading a book after reading the last page in the book store.You know you want to, but there just isn't any point.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31519770</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31526358</id>
	<title>and why you people dont fight for your own</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1268942520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>freedoms and agendas, even if in a convenient way ? start web campaigns to raise awareness and peition your representatives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>freedoms and agendas , even if in a convenient way ?
start web campaigns to raise awareness and peition your representatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>freedoms and agendas, even if in a convenient way ?
start web campaigns to raise awareness and peition your representatives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31522024</id>
	<title>Re:Reporting from Spain...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268923380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So it's fair, using y our example, that you can copy someone's book 1000 times, and pass it out, for free (let's not even get into "charging for recoupment of costs to make said copies"), and that no one has lost anything?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So it 's fair , using y our example , that you can copy someone 's book 1000 times , and pass it out , for free ( let 's not even get into " charging for recoupment of costs to make said copies " ) , and that no one has lost anything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So it's fair, using y our example, that you can copy someone's book 1000 times, and pass it out, for free (let's not even get into "charging for recoupment of costs to make said copies"), and that no one has lost anything?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520018</id>
	<title>Spanish system description</title>
	<author>Tei</author>
	<datestamp>1268904300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heres is a poorly idea of the spanish system:<br>
&nbsp; - you are allowed to make copys of the music you own. Call it backups<br>
&nbsp; - wen you buy a HD, a USB pendrive, a printer, a escaner, etc.. you pay something like a tax. It could be $3 for a $50 multimedia thingie. Its supposed that you are paying with this tax, the money lost by music creators for making this copy.<br>
&nbsp; - totally unrelated, but you can also download music, is not illegal, yet. That can change, but don't get in love with it.<br>
&nbsp; - the govern tell people with ads campaings that downloading music is illegal. and is not true. So some money of our taxes is directed to help a campaing to propagate the ideas of our local MAFIAA.<br>
&nbsp; - the govern is in bed with the people that want to fight piracy. Mostly the POP music industry, and the movie industry...  the movie industry is moslty pseudo-intelectual fagots that get money from the govern to make pseudo-intelectual movies no one want to watch other than some old people.<br>
&nbsp; - there are some rich people that own some medias,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..think the italian president, but seems a no-factor<br>
&nbsp; - the big ISP's fight any anti-p2p thing, but are of course salivating with the idea of destroying net neutrality. So are your friend now, but can change the idea on the future and backstab the users. Data retention and big fat routers and such stuff cost money, anyway</p><p>Is not a good system, since even Bar's have to pay for having a TV (a TV can be used to ear music)... everyone is getting screwed. But Is probably a better system than the USA one, where you commits something illegal, if you download stuff. And maybe slighty better than UK, where you have to pay for owning TV machines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heres is a poorly idea of the spanish system :   - you are allowed to make copys of the music you own .
Call it backups   - wen you buy a HD , a USB pendrive , a printer , a escaner , etc.. you pay something like a tax .
It could be $ 3 for a $ 50 multimedia thingie .
Its supposed that you are paying with this tax , the money lost by music creators for making this copy .
  - totally unrelated , but you can also download music , is not illegal , yet .
That can change , but do n't get in love with it .
  - the govern tell people with ads campaings that downloading music is illegal .
and is not true .
So some money of our taxes is directed to help a campaing to propagate the ideas of our local MAFIAA .
  - the govern is in bed with the people that want to fight piracy .
Mostly the POP music industry , and the movie industry... the movie industry is moslty pseudo-intelectual fagots that get money from the govern to make pseudo-intelectual movies no one want to watch other than some old people .
  - there are some rich people that own some medias , ..think the italian president , but seems a no-factor   - the big ISP 's fight any anti-p2p thing , but are of course salivating with the idea of destroying net neutrality .
So are your friend now , but can change the idea on the future and backstab the users .
Data retention and big fat routers and such stuff cost money , anywayIs not a good system , since even Bar 's have to pay for having a TV ( a TV can be used to ear music ) ... everyone is getting screwed .
But Is probably a better system than the USA one , where you commits something illegal , if you download stuff .
And maybe slighty better than UK , where you have to pay for owning TV machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heres is a poorly idea of the spanish system:
  - you are allowed to make copys of the music you own.
Call it backups
  - wen you buy a HD, a USB pendrive, a printer, a escaner, etc.. you pay something like a tax.
It could be $3 for a $50 multimedia thingie.
Its supposed that you are paying with this tax, the money lost by music creators for making this copy.
  - totally unrelated, but you can also download music, is not illegal, yet.
That can change, but don't get in love with it.
  - the govern tell people with ads campaings that downloading music is illegal.
and is not true.
So some money of our taxes is directed to help a campaing to propagate the ideas of our local MAFIAA.
  - the govern is in bed with the people that want to fight piracy.
Mostly the POP music industry, and the movie industry...  the movie industry is moslty pseudo-intelectual fagots that get money from the govern to make pseudo-intelectual movies no one want to watch other than some old people.
  - there are some rich people that own some medias, ..think the italian president, but seems a no-factor
  - the big ISP's fight any anti-p2p thing, but are of course salivating with the idea of destroying net neutrality.
So are your friend now, but can change the idea on the future and backstab the users.
Data retention and big fat routers and such stuff cost money, anywayIs not a good system, since even Bar's have to pay for having a TV (a TV can be used to ear music)... everyone is getting screwed.
But Is probably a better system than the USA one, where you commits something illegal, if you download stuff.
And maybe slighty better than UK, where you have to pay for owning TV machines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520930</id>
	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268916780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, consider this: with those types of levies, you're being ROBBED, because you have to pay the levy regardless of whether you make copies or not (also, take into account the fact that the Government gives money to artists so they can produce their music and movies, money taken from the taxes we pay, so we're paying at least twice for the same thing, even if we never benefit from that thing). Therefore, since we're also paying for the music we DO NOT listen to and the movies we DO NOT watch (which I'm sure it's a lot more than the music we listen to and the movies we watch)... Well, I think you're smart enough to get the point I'm trying to make.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , consider this : with those types of levies , you 're being ROBBED , because you have to pay the levy regardless of whether you make copies or not ( also , take into account the fact that the Government gives money to artists so they can produce their music and movies , money taken from the taxes we pay , so we 're paying at least twice for the same thing , even if we never benefit from that thing ) .
Therefore , since we 're also paying for the music we DO NOT listen to and the movies we DO NOT watch ( which I 'm sure it 's a lot more than the music we listen to and the movies we watch ) ... Well , I think you 're smart enough to get the point I 'm trying to make .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, consider this: with those types of levies, you're being ROBBED, because you have to pay the levy regardless of whether you make copies or not (also, take into account the fact that the Government gives money to artists so they can produce their music and movies, money taken from the taxes we pay, so we're paying at least twice for the same thing, even if we never benefit from that thing).
Therefore, since we're also paying for the music we DO NOT listen to and the movies we DO NOT watch (which I'm sure it's a lot more than the music we listen to and the movies we watch)... Well, I think you're smart enough to get the point I'm trying to make.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520332</id>
	<title>Re:Spanish system description</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268908860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;Its supposed that you are paying with this tax, the money lost by <b>record labels</b> for making this copy.</p><p>Fix'd.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; Its supposed that you are paying with this tax , the money lost by record labels for making this copy.Fix 'd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;Its supposed that you are paying with this tax, the money lost by record labels for making this copy.Fix'd.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31519772</id>
	<title>I would like to see this happen here</title>
	<author>Anarki2004</author>
	<datestamp>1268943360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It would be nice if something like this happened here in America. As it stands now, it seems like Comcast is going to get to mold the internet as they see fit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be nice if something like this happened here in America .
As it stands now , it seems like Comcast is going to get to mold the internet as they see fit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be nice if something like this happened here in America.
As it stands now, it seems like Comcast is going to get to mold the internet as they see fit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520030</id>
	<title>Reporting from Spain...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268904480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That really happened, but...</p><p>That's the law in Spain, up to now. It has always been. If you aren't profiting by copyright infringement (other than getting the copied thing, that is), then you are in the clear. In any case the current (left leaning) government has drafted a new law that makes illegal all that the SGAE wants to be illegal<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Well, not all, they would like individual users to be punishable too, and the government said no thanks; and they wanted the webs to be closed without judicial intervention, and the government initially complied but then changed it to need judicial intervention, but with the new law judges should put them down, anyway). So from now on (I'm not sure about if it's fully operative now but should be soon) it should be fairly easy to put down a "links" site. At least when it's hosted in Spain.</p><p>Anyway the situation in Spain is, I think, not too bad. Individual users are protected if they just download things for themselves or others, or even if they make a thousand photocopies of a book and give them away, as long as they get no profit from it. But that will surely change in the future too. When two groups fight for something, and one (the SGAE) has a clear financial objective, and the other (the file sharers) a vague convenience one, the first group will in the end prevail, against all reason, logic or fairness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That really happened , but...That 's the law in Spain , up to now .
It has always been .
If you are n't profiting by copyright infringement ( other than getting the copied thing , that is ) , then you are in the clear .
In any case the current ( left leaning ) government has drafted a new law that makes illegal all that the SGAE wants to be illegal .Well , not all , they would like individual users to be punishable too , and the government said no thanks ; and they wanted the webs to be closed without judicial intervention , and the government initially complied but then changed it to need judicial intervention , but with the new law judges should put them down , anyway ) .
So from now on ( I 'm not sure about if it 's fully operative now but should be soon ) it should be fairly easy to put down a " links " site .
At least when it 's hosted in Spain.Anyway the situation in Spain is , I think , not too bad .
Individual users are protected if they just download things for themselves or others , or even if they make a thousand photocopies of a book and give them away , as long as they get no profit from it .
But that will surely change in the future too .
When two groups fight for something , and one ( the SGAE ) has a clear financial objective , and the other ( the file sharers ) a vague convenience one , the first group will in the end prevail , against all reason , logic or fairness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That really happened, but...That's the law in Spain, up to now.
It has always been.
If you aren't profiting by copyright infringement (other than getting the copied thing, that is), then you are in the clear.
In any case the current (left leaning) government has drafted a new law that makes illegal all that the SGAE wants to be illegal .Well, not all, they would like individual users to be punishable too, and the government said no thanks; and they wanted the webs to be closed without judicial intervention, and the government initially complied but then changed it to need judicial intervention, but with the new law judges should put them down, anyway).
So from now on (I'm not sure about if it's fully operative now but should be soon) it should be fairly easy to put down a "links" site.
At least when it's hosted in Spain.Anyway the situation in Spain is, I think, not too bad.
Individual users are protected if they just download things for themselves or others, or even if they make a thousand photocopies of a book and give them away, as long as they get no profit from it.
But that will surely change in the future too.
When two groups fight for something, and one (the SGAE) has a clear financial objective, and the other (the file sharers) a vague convenience one, the first group will in the end prevail, against all reason, logic or fairness.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520322</id>
	<title>Ruled Legal is not correct...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268908680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just to point out some cultural differences...<br>Say more that this judge ruled that FOR THIS CASE, P2P is legal. We use the Roman Law (Natural law you say?), so,  a judge ruling do not creates jurisdiction. Tomorrow other judge can rule the opposite and be perfectly Okay.<br>Laws are interpreted, but not changed by a trial result.<br>This ambiguity will remain  until the senate raises a law saying "P2P is legal for non lucrative uses".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to point out some cultural differences...Say more that this judge ruled that FOR THIS CASE , P2P is legal .
We use the Roman Law ( Natural law you say ?
) , so , a judge ruling do not creates jurisdiction .
Tomorrow other judge can rule the opposite and be perfectly Okay.Laws are interpreted , but not changed by a trial result.This ambiguity will remain until the senate raises a law saying " P2P is legal for non lucrative uses " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to point out some cultural differences...Say more that this judge ruled that FOR THIS CASE, P2P is legal.
We use the Roman Law (Natural law you say?
), so,  a judge ruling do not creates jurisdiction.
Tomorrow other judge can rule the opposite and be perfectly Okay.Laws are interpreted, but not changed by a trial result.This ambiguity will remain  until the senate raises a law saying "P2P is legal for non lucrative uses".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520292</id>
	<title>How long before CORRUPT politicians...</title>
	<author>viraltus</author>
	<datestamp>1268908320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>get bribed and twist the law to favor corporations? I am very happy with this sentence but I believe politicians are now dancing the dance of happiness thinking in all the money SGAE (RIAA) is going to place in their pockets to overturn this sentence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>get bribed and twist the law to favor corporations ?
I am very happy with this sentence but I believe politicians are now dancing the dance of happiness thinking in all the money SGAE ( RIAA ) is going to place in their pockets to overturn this sentence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>get bribed and twist the law to favor corporations?
I am very happy with this sentence but I believe politicians are now dancing the dance of happiness thinking in all the money SGAE (RIAA) is going to place in their pockets to overturn this sentence.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520238</id>
	<title>Re:Spanish system description</title>
	<author>delinear</author>
	<datestamp>1268907600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the big ISP's fight any anti-p2p thing, but are of course salivating with the idea of destroying net neutrality.</p></div><p>The ISPs might publicly be on board with P2P because none of them wants to frighten away customers by being the first to say they want to kill P2P, but in reality their dream would be a world where the government outlaws this completely. People would still need the net for email, business, shopping, socialising, gaming, etc but these are all generally low bandwidth, high profit services for ISPs - it's a win-win for them, if a law gets passed they can play the good guys unwillingly complying with a draconian government while seeing a likely increase in their profits.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the big ISP 's fight any anti-p2p thing , but are of course salivating with the idea of destroying net neutrality.The ISPs might publicly be on board with P2P because none of them wants to frighten away customers by being the first to say they want to kill P2P , but in reality their dream would be a world where the government outlaws this completely .
People would still need the net for email , business , shopping , socialising , gaming , etc but these are all generally low bandwidth , high profit services for ISPs - it 's a win-win for them , if a law gets passed they can play the good guys unwillingly complying with a draconian government while seeing a likely increase in their profits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the big ISP's fight any anti-p2p thing, but are of course salivating with the idea of destroying net neutrality.The ISPs might publicly be on board with P2P because none of them wants to frighten away customers by being the first to say they want to kill P2P, but in reality their dream would be a world where the government outlaws this completely.
People would still need the net for email, business, shopping, socialising, gaming, etc but these are all generally low bandwidth, high profit services for ISPs - it's a win-win for them, if a law gets passed they can play the good guys unwillingly complying with a draconian government while seeing a likely increase in their profits.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520018</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520470</id>
	<title>Thank ye, Jesus!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268910840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A data transmission network is now not inherently illegal, nor does it breach copyright regulation per se.</p><p>That we feel the need to celebrate Spain ruling the internet legal shows how far these RIAA clusterfuck clones have brought us, however, fairplay to you Jesus, Sir, I'll be saying one for you on Sunday.  Commonsense has (at least for now) descended and is indeed amongst us, may it one day finally shine it all its Glory.  Our Day Will Come.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A data transmission network is now not inherently illegal , nor does it breach copyright regulation per se.That we feel the need to celebrate Spain ruling the internet legal shows how far these RIAA clusterfuck clones have brought us , however , fairplay to you Jesus , Sir , I 'll be saying one for you on Sunday .
Commonsense has ( at least for now ) descended and is indeed amongst us , may it one day finally shine it all its Glory .
Our Day Will Come .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A data transmission network is now not inherently illegal, nor does it breach copyright regulation per se.That we feel the need to celebrate Spain ruling the internet legal shows how far these RIAA clusterfuck clones have brought us, however, fairplay to you Jesus, Sir, I'll be saying one for you on Sunday.
Commonsense has (at least for now) descended and is indeed amongst us, may it one day finally shine it all its Glory.
Our Day Will Come.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520506</id>
	<title>What the hell is Jolly Roger doing in this news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268911260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We're talking P2P here.<br>Slashdot is stating that P2P equals piracy.  Wrong!<br>Take that awful Jolly Roger picture off this news!<br>- Ignacio Agull&#243;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're talking P2P here.Slashdot is stating that P2P equals piracy .
Wrong ! Take that awful Jolly Roger picture off this news ! - Ignacio Agull  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're talking P2P here.Slashdot is stating that P2P equals piracy.
Wrong!Take that awful Jolly Roger picture off this news!- Ignacio Agulló</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31521422</id>
	<title>Re:MAFIAA Loses to Jesus</title>
	<author>mqduck</author>
	<datestamp>1268920080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At first I read "headline" as "headache". I think my version is a lot better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At first I read " headline " as " headache " .
I think my version is a lot better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At first I read "headline" as "headache".
I think my version is a lot better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31519770</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520208</id>
	<title>SITI</title>
	<author>sixtuslab</author>
	<datestamp>1268907180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>wohoo, the search for intraterrestrial intelligence is over  =)</htmltext>
<tokenext>wohoo , the search for intraterrestrial intelligence is over = )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wohoo, the search for intraterrestrial intelligence is over  =)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31521154</id>
	<title>Re:Spanish system description</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268918400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>- you are allowed to make copys of the music you own. Call it backups</p></div><p>That's wrong as you don't need to own the original media or content, the copy only needs to be obtained from a legal source to be legal for private use. They are not backups they are private copies. Also a private copy can be considered a legal source as is obtained by a legal act.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>- you are allowed to make copys of the music you own .
Call it backupsThat 's wrong as you do n't need to own the original media or content , the copy only needs to be obtained from a legal source to be legal for private use .
They are not backups they are private copies .
Also a private copy can be considered a legal source as is obtained by a legal act .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>- you are allowed to make copys of the music you own.
Call it backupsThat's wrong as you don't need to own the original media or content, the copy only needs to be obtained from a legal source to be legal for private use.
They are not backups they are private copies.
Also a private copy can be considered a legal source as is obtained by a legal act.
 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520018</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520894</id>
	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268916240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe because they ask you to pay a levy on an optical drive that you could use to record your own wedding. And they ask you to pay for the hard drive in which you install your programs, games, work files, you name it. Or any other media regardless of it's use. And still, you are only supposed to make private copies of music/movies/etc. that you already own. So, here the only one profiting from a service it is not providing is the entertainment industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe because they ask you to pay a levy on an optical drive that you could use to record your own wedding .
And they ask you to pay for the hard drive in which you install your programs , games , work files , you name it .
Or any other media regardless of it 's use .
And still , you are only supposed to make private copies of music/movies/etc .
that you already own .
So , here the only one profiting from a service it is not providing is the entertainment industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe because they ask you to pay a levy on an optical drive that you could use to record your own wedding.
And they ask you to pay for the hard drive in which you install your programs, games, work files, you name it.
Or any other media regardless of it's use.
And still, you are only supposed to make private copies of music/movies/etc.
that you already own.
So, here the only one profiting from a service it is not providing is the entertainment industry.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520650</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31523000</id>
	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268927940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much did you pay to consume and participate in this<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. discussion?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much did you pay to consume and participate in this / .
discussion ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much did you pay to consume and participate in this /.
discussion?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520650</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31519770</id>
	<title>MAFIAA Loses to Jesus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268943300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think my headline is a lot better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think my headline is a lot better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think my headline is a lot better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520698</id>
	<title>Transport method</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268913480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its a valid point and its nice to see a government have a little bit of intellect when it comes to the Internet. p2p is a transport method, that is all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its a valid point and its nice to see a government have a little bit of intellect when it comes to the Internet .
p2p is a transport method , that is all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its a valid point and its nice to see a government have a little bit of intellect when it comes to the Internet.
p2p is a transport method, that is all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520456</id>
	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>HopefulIntern</author>
	<datestamp>1268910660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is more or less true in the UK as well. Downloading may not be legal, but legal ramifications only happen because of uploading, not downloading. This is why users of P2P and especially Bit Torrent get caught. Downloading with BT automatically means you start uploading.

This is why services such as Rapidshare are becoming hugely popular here. No uploading means no culpability. And it's faster.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is more or less true in the UK as well .
Downloading may not be legal , but legal ramifications only happen because of uploading , not downloading .
This is why users of P2P and especially Bit Torrent get caught .
Downloading with BT automatically means you start uploading .
This is why services such as Rapidshare are becoming hugely popular here .
No uploading means no culpability .
And it 's faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is more or less true in the UK as well.
Downloading may not be legal, but legal ramifications only happen because of uploading, not downloading.
This is why users of P2P and especially Bit Torrent get caught.
Downloading with BT automatically means you start uploading.
This is why services such as Rapidshare are becoming hugely popular here.
No uploading means no culpability.
And it's faster.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31519968</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520650</id>
	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268912940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In Hungary, downloading is legal, but uploading not. So, P2P is in a grey area. However, there is a levy on all recordable media, even on pendrives and memory cards. So, clueful hungarians buy their recordable media from Slovakia where there is no such levy.</p></div><p>Why don't people want to pay for what they use anymore? I really do not understand this. If I take a train, I buy a ticket. If I drive a car I buy petrol. I pay for the food I eat, the books I read, the beer I drink. I pay the dentist who fills my teeth, the barber who cuts my hair... and I pay for the movies I watch and the music I listen to. What is it with people expecting the world for free and accusing anyone who wants to get paid for their work of being meglomaniacal corrupt capitalist pigs? You would seriously travel to Slovakia to avoid paying a little bit of extra on a pen drive? The world has gone loopy!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Hungary , downloading is legal , but uploading not .
So , P2P is in a grey area .
However , there is a levy on all recordable media , even on pendrives and memory cards .
So , clueful hungarians buy their recordable media from Slovakia where there is no such levy.Why do n't people want to pay for what they use anymore ?
I really do not understand this .
If I take a train , I buy a ticket .
If I drive a car I buy petrol .
I pay for the food I eat , the books I read , the beer I drink .
I pay the dentist who fills my teeth , the barber who cuts my hair... and I pay for the movies I watch and the music I listen to .
What is it with people expecting the world for free and accusing anyone who wants to get paid for their work of being meglomaniacal corrupt capitalist pigs ?
You would seriously travel to Slovakia to avoid paying a little bit of extra on a pen drive ?
The world has gone loopy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Hungary, downloading is legal, but uploading not.
So, P2P is in a grey area.
However, there is a levy on all recordable media, even on pendrives and memory cards.
So, clueful hungarians buy their recordable media from Slovakia where there is no such levy.Why don't people want to pay for what they use anymore?
I really do not understand this.
If I take a train, I buy a ticket.
If I drive a car I buy petrol.
I pay for the food I eat, the books I read, the beer I drink.
I pay the dentist who fills my teeth, the barber who cuts my hair... and I pay for the movies I watch and the music I listen to.
What is it with people expecting the world for free and accusing anyone who wants to get paid for their work of being meglomaniacal corrupt capitalist pigs?
You would seriously travel to Slovakia to avoid paying a little bit of extra on a pen drive?
The world has gone loopy!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31519968</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520596</id>
	<title>such a pity...</title>
	<author>advocate\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1268912280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>because when ACTA is rammed down everybody's throat... they'll have anti-porn filtering riding on the back of it... and by law, ISPs will have to block sites deemed to be distributing extreme and/or kiddie porn... what's the bets Pirate bay and other popular sites and their trackers get included on the filters then...</htmltext>
<tokenext>because when ACTA is rammed down everybody 's throat... they 'll have anti-porn filtering riding on the back of it... and by law , ISPs will have to block sites deemed to be distributing extreme and/or kiddie porn... what 's the bets Pirate bay and other popular sites and their trackers get included on the filters then.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because when ACTA is rammed down everybody's throat... they'll have anti-porn filtering riding on the back of it... and by law, ISPs will have to block sites deemed to be distributing extreme and/or kiddie porn... what's the bets Pirate bay and other popular sites and their trackers get included on the filters then...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31519968</id>
	<title>In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268903460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Hungary, downloading is legal, but uploading not. So, P2P is in a grey area. However, there is a levy on all recordable media, even on pendrives and memory cards. So, clueful hungarians buy their recordable media from Slovakia where there is no such levy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Hungary , downloading is legal , but uploading not .
So , P2P is in a grey area .
However , there is a levy on all recordable media , even on pendrives and memory cards .
So , clueful hungarians buy their recordable media from Slovakia where there is no such levy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Hungary, downloading is legal, but uploading not.
So, P2P is in a grey area.
However, there is a levy on all recordable media, even on pendrives and memory cards.
So, clueful hungarians buy their recordable media from Slovakia where there is no such levy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31519980</id>
	<title>Re:MAFIAA Loses to Jesus</title>
	<author>Benaiah</author>
	<datestamp>1268903700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>News just in.<br>Pirate bay gives up vagabond lifestyle  to move to permanent home in Spain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>News just in.Pirate bay gives up vagabond lifestyle to move to permanent home in Spain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>News just in.Pirate bay gives up vagabond lifestyle  to move to permanent home in Spain.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31519770</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520174</id>
	<title>Re:Reporting from Spain...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268906760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...and give them away, as long as they get no profit from it.</p></div><p>Are you sure about this? That is, the redistribution thing? I would find this peculiar and uncommon.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and give them away , as long as they get no profit from it.Are you sure about this ?
That is , the redistribution thing ?
I would find this peculiar and uncommon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...and give them away, as long as they get no profit from it.Are you sure about this?
That is, the redistribution thing?
I would find this peculiar and uncommon.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520924</id>
	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>sourcerror</author>
	<datestamp>1268916720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ahem.<br>1, Artisjus doesn't give the money to the content producers most people like. They give it to the ones that are most played by Radio.<br>2, If you're a musician who wants to give away promotional CDs for free, Artisjus will charge you horrible amounts of money.<br>3, They're breaking EU law: a content producer can't choose to be represented by other organization (there are several in EU).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ahem.1 , Artisjus does n't give the money to the content producers most people like .
They give it to the ones that are most played by Radio.2 , If you 're a musician who wants to give away promotional CDs for free , Artisjus will charge you horrible amounts of money.3 , They 're breaking EU law : a content producer ca n't choose to be represented by other organization ( there are several in EU ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahem.1, Artisjus doesn't give the money to the content producers most people like.
They give it to the ones that are most played by Radio.2, If you're a musician who wants to give away promotional CDs for free, Artisjus will charge you horrible amounts of money.3, They're breaking EU law: a content producer can't choose to be represented by other organization (there are several in EU).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31521152</id>
	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>RichardDeVries</author>
	<datestamp>1268918400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In this case I'd say it has more to do with the conceptual distance between a price tag for a pendrive and paying an artist. For Hungarians, Slovakian pendrives are simply cheaper. I bet most don't even know why that is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In this case I 'd say it has more to do with the conceptual distance between a price tag for a pendrive and paying an artist .
For Hungarians , Slovakian pendrives are simply cheaper .
I bet most do n't even know why that is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In this case I'd say it has more to do with the conceptual distance between a price tag for a pendrive and paying an artist.
For Hungarians, Slovakian pendrives are simply cheaper.
I bet most don't even know why that is.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31538026</id>
	<title>Everything is about to change...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269015000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ACTA is going to be approved today here in Spain, from now any website will be closed or blocked without trial in a timespan of 4 days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ACTA is going to be approved today here in Spain , from now any website will be closed or blocked without trial in a timespan of 4 days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ACTA is going to be approved today here in Spain, from now any website will be closed or blocked without trial in a timespan of 4 days.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>sourcerror</author>
	<datestamp>1268916420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By the same note: why do corporations try to avoid taxations?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By the same note : why do corporations try to avoid taxations ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By the same note: why do corporations try to avoid taxations?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520122</id>
	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268905860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Sorry to disappoint you but there is such a levy in Slovakia too. It's paid to Autorsk&#253; fond (Author fund) managed by SOZA - Slovak version of RIAA. And the levy is paid on cd/dvd/bluray media, memory cards, hard disks and cd/dvd writers<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... Usually you don't know you pay it because it's part of the retail price, but for example on the invoice from wholesalers the whole price is divided in 3 chunks, price of product, Author fund levy, recyclation levy (aplies to electronics not to media).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry to disappoint you but there is such a levy in Slovakia too .
It 's paid to Autorsk   fond ( Author fund ) managed by SOZA - Slovak version of RIAA .
And the levy is paid on cd/dvd/bluray media , memory cards , hard disks and cd/dvd writers .... Usually you do n't know you pay it because it 's part of the retail price , but for example on the invoice from wholesalers the whole price is divided in 3 chunks , price of product , Author fund levy , recyclation levy ( aplies to electronics not to media ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry to disappoint you but there is such a levy in Slovakia too.
It's paid to Autorský fond (Author fund) managed by SOZA - Slovak version of RIAA.
And the levy is paid on cd/dvd/bluray media, memory cards, hard disks and cd/dvd writers .... Usually you don't know you pay it because it's part of the retail price, but for example on the invoice from wholesalers the whole price is divided in 3 chunks, price of product, Author fund levy, recyclation levy (aplies to electronics not to media).</sentencetext>
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	<title>That "collective use" portion...</title>
	<author>bkr1\_2k</author>
	<datestamp>1268920260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that's been the basis of all the P2P cases anyway.  The "collective use" of files being shared between users of the P2P network.  I don't see how that's any sort of endorsement that prevents more of these cases from coming forward in the future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that 's been the basis of all the P2P cases anyway .
The " collective use " of files being shared between users of the P2P network .
I do n't see how that 's any sort of endorsement that prevents more of these cases from coming forward in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that's been the basis of all the P2P cases anyway.
The "collective use" of files being shared between users of the P2P network.
I don't see how that's any sort of endorsement that prevents more of these cases from coming forward in the future.</sentencetext>
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	<title>WTF no link in summary?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268908920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the summary the text is shown as <a href="http://elrincondejesus.com/" title="elrincondejesus.com" rel="nofollow">elrincondejesus.com</a> [elrincondejesus.com] with no hyperlink!  WTF?  Does Slashdot or its parent company have a policy against linking to sites containing infringing material?  (right there on the front page is a link to "American Playboy")</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the summary the text is shown as elrincondejesus.com [ elrincondejesus.com ] with no hyperlink !
WTF ? Does Slashdot or its parent company have a policy against linking to sites containing infringing material ?
( right there on the front page is a link to " American Playboy " )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the summary the text is shown as elrincondejesus.com [elrincondejesus.com] with no hyperlink!
WTF?  Does Slashdot or its parent company have a policy against linking to sites containing infringing material?
(right there on the front page is a link to "American Playboy")</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31522540</id>
	<title>Re:Spanish system description</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1268925840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is not a good system, since even Bar's have to pay for having a TV (a TV can be used to ear music)...</p> </div><p>I don't know if we have them everywhere, but in the States there are 'entertainment licenses' which are required if you want to provide entertainment in a public place. Music, television, what have you. We have a permit for just about everything. Doing business legally will rob you blind unless you're a megacorporation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is not a good system , since even Bar 's have to pay for having a TV ( a TV can be used to ear music ) ... I do n't know if we have them everywhere , but in the States there are 'entertainment licenses ' which are required if you want to provide entertainment in a public place .
Music , television , what have you .
We have a permit for just about everything .
Doing business legally will rob you blind unless you 're a megacorporation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is not a good system, since even Bar's have to pay for having a TV (a TV can be used to ear music)... I don't know if we have them everywhere, but in the States there are 'entertainment licenses' which are required if you want to provide entertainment in a public place.
Music, television, what have you.
We have a permit for just about everything.
Doing business legally will rob you blind unless you're a megacorporation.
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	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268916180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why don't people want to pay for what they use anymore?</p></div><p>I think i can speak for a lot of us here that we WOULD, in fact, like to reimburse the CREATOR for the content we download.  Not some shifty holding corp, not some backroom lawyer, and not in perpetuity 500 years after the creator died.<br>Also, the exorbitant rates charged for a lot of it turns people off.  Would you pay $1500 for a single train ticket, or pay $50/gal for petrol, or $10 for a single hamburger?  No.  And the market would never let such a thing exist (well...maybe the petrol one).<br>However, recorded content is essentially a monopoly whereby they can set whatever price they want, and litigate against you if you don't like it.</p><p>And no, not all free/independent music is good.  sometimes people would like to own copies of the music they hear everyday.</p><p>and why should we have to pay a tax on our recordable media that never gets used for music/movies?  Why should the Mafiaa profit just because I want to save off my documents and pictures?</p><p>TLDR:  The Mafiaa ARE meglomaniacal corrupt capitalist pigs...people would pay the writers for their stuff if they could...media taxes are illegal</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't people want to pay for what they use anymore ? I think i can speak for a lot of us here that we WOULD , in fact , like to reimburse the CREATOR for the content we download .
Not some shifty holding corp , not some backroom lawyer , and not in perpetuity 500 years after the creator died.Also , the exorbitant rates charged for a lot of it turns people off .
Would you pay $ 1500 for a single train ticket , or pay $ 50/gal for petrol , or $ 10 for a single hamburger ?
No. And the market would never let such a thing exist ( well...maybe the petrol one ) .However , recorded content is essentially a monopoly whereby they can set whatever price they want , and litigate against you if you do n't like it.And no , not all free/independent music is good .
sometimes people would like to own copies of the music they hear everyday.and why should we have to pay a tax on our recordable media that never gets used for music/movies ?
Why should the Mafiaa profit just because I want to save off my documents and pictures ? TLDR : The Mafiaa ARE meglomaniacal corrupt capitalist pigs...people would pay the writers for their stuff if they could...media taxes are illegal</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't people want to pay for what they use anymore?I think i can speak for a lot of us here that we WOULD, in fact, like to reimburse the CREATOR for the content we download.
Not some shifty holding corp, not some backroom lawyer, and not in perpetuity 500 years after the creator died.Also, the exorbitant rates charged for a lot of it turns people off.
Would you pay $1500 for a single train ticket, or pay $50/gal for petrol, or $10 for a single hamburger?
No.  And the market would never let such a thing exist (well...maybe the petrol one).However, recorded content is essentially a monopoly whereby they can set whatever price they want, and litigate against you if you don't like it.And no, not all free/independent music is good.
sometimes people would like to own copies of the music they hear everyday.and why should we have to pay a tax on our recordable media that never gets used for music/movies?
Why should the Mafiaa profit just because I want to save off my documents and pictures?TLDR:  The Mafiaa ARE meglomaniacal corrupt capitalist pigs...people would pay the writers for their stuff if they could...media taxes are illegal
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	<title>Re:Reporting from Spain...</title>
	<author>OpenSourced</author>
	<datestamp>1268914920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uhm, you are right. Redistribution is allowed but in limited form (making a copy of a DVD for a friend is allowed). If you do it by the thousands, even if you get nothing from it, you are out of the clear. The relevant article of the law (in Spanish):</p><p>Art&#237;culo 31. Reproducciones provisionales y copia privada.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1. No requerir&#225;n autorizaci&#243;n del autor los actos de reproducci&#243;n provisional a los que se refiere el art&#237;culo 18 que, adem&#225;s de carecer por s&#237; mismos de una significaci&#243;n econ&#243;mica independiente, sean transitorios o accesorios y formen parte integrante y esencial de un proceso tecnol&#243;gico y cuya &#250;nica finalidad consista en facilitar bien una transmisi&#243;n en red entre terceras partes por un intermediario, bien una utilizaci&#243;n l&#237;cita, entendiendo por tal la autorizada por el autor o por la ley.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2. No necesita autorizaci&#243;n del autor la reproducci&#243;n, en cualquier soporte, de obras ya divulgadas cuando se lleve a cabo por una persona f&#237;sica para su uso privado a partir de obras a las que haya accedido legalmente y la copia obtenida no sea objeto de una utilizaci&#243;n colectiva ni lucrativa, sin perjuicio de la compensaci&#243;n equitativa prevista en el art&#237;culo 25, que deber&#225; tener en cuenta si se aplican a tales obras las medidas a las que se refiere el art&#237;culo 161. Quedan excluidas de lo dispuesto en este apartado las bases de datos electr&#243;nicas y, en aplicaci&#243;n del art&#237;culo 99.a), los programas de ordenador.</p><p>Relevant here is the second point, where it says "copia obtenida no sea objeto de una utilizaci&#243;n colectiva ni lucrativa", that is, "the obtained copy won't be used collectively or for gain". I guess the collectively is aimed to bars showing per-pay sport events in giant screens, a common thing in Spain, but anyway, it's limited.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uhm , you are right .
Redistribution is allowed but in limited form ( making a copy of a DVD for a friend is allowed ) .
If you do it by the thousands , even if you get nothing from it , you are out of the clear .
The relevant article of the law ( in Spanish ) : Art   culo 31 .
Reproducciones provisionales y copia privada .
        1 .
No requerir   n autorizaci   n del autor los actos de reproducci   n provisional a los que se refiere el art   culo 18 que , adem   s de carecer por s   mismos de una significaci   n econ   mica independiente , sean transitorios o accesorios y formen parte integrante y esencial de un proceso tecnol   gico y cuya   nica finalidad consista en facilitar bien una transmisi   n en red entre terceras partes por un intermediario , bien una utilizaci   n l   cita , entendiendo por tal la autorizada por el autor o por la ley .
        2 .
No necesita autorizaci   n del autor la reproducci   n , en cualquier soporte , de obras ya divulgadas cuando se lleve a cabo por una persona f   sica para su uso privado a partir de obras a las que haya accedido legalmente y la copia obtenida no sea objeto de una utilizaci   n colectiva ni lucrativa , sin perjuicio de la compensaci   n equitativa prevista en el art   culo 25 , que deber   tener en cuenta si se aplican a tales obras las medidas a las que se refiere el art   culo 161 .
Quedan excluidas de lo dispuesto en este apartado las bases de datos electr   nicas y , en aplicaci   n del art   culo 99.a ) , los programas de ordenador.Relevant here is the second point , where it says " copia obtenida no sea objeto de una utilizaci   n colectiva ni lucrativa " , that is , " the obtained copy wo n't be used collectively or for gain " .
I guess the collectively is aimed to bars showing per-pay sport events in giant screens , a common thing in Spain , but anyway , it 's limited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uhm, you are right.
Redistribution is allowed but in limited form (making a copy of a DVD for a friend is allowed).
If you do it by the thousands, even if you get nothing from it, you are out of the clear.
The relevant article of the law (in Spanish):Artículo 31.
Reproducciones provisionales y copia privada.
        1.
No requerirán autorización del autor los actos de reproducción provisional a los que se refiere el artículo 18 que, además de carecer por sí mismos de una significación económica independiente, sean transitorios o accesorios y formen parte integrante y esencial de un proceso tecnológico y cuya única finalidad consista en facilitar bien una transmisión en red entre terceras partes por un intermediario, bien una utilización lícita, entendiendo por tal la autorizada por el autor o por la ley.
        2.
No necesita autorización del autor la reproducción, en cualquier soporte, de obras ya divulgadas cuando se lleve a cabo por una persona física para su uso privado a partir de obras a las que haya accedido legalmente y la copia obtenida no sea objeto de una utilización colectiva ni lucrativa, sin perjuicio de la compensación equitativa prevista en el artículo 25, que deberá tener en cuenta si se aplican a tales obras las medidas a las que se refiere el artículo 161.
Quedan excluidas de lo dispuesto en este apartado las bases de datos electrónicas y, en aplicación del artículo 99.a), los programas de ordenador.Relevant here is the second point, where it says "copia obtenida no sea objeto de una utilización colectiva ni lucrativa", that is, "the obtained copy won't be used collectively or for gain".
I guess the collectively is aimed to bars showing per-pay sport events in giant screens, a common thing in Spain, but anyway, it's limited.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268906640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The same levy is applied to recordable media in Spain, too. Clueful Spaniards either buy them online or in Andorra.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same levy is applied to recordable media in Spain , too .
Clueful Spaniards either buy them online or in Andorra .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same levy is applied to recordable media in Spain, too.
Clueful Spaniards either buy them online or in Andorra.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_18_0027235.31520902</id>
	<title>Re:In Hungary, too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268916420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's quite simple, really. Some artists and corporations feel they should not be bound by that part of the copyright law stating that after a <i>limited time</i> the copyrights return to the public. This is motivated by limitless greed. The public response has been to renege on their end of the agreement, and copy freely. In other words, greed begets greed. Monkey see, monkey do.<br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's quite simple , really .
Some artists and corporations feel they should not be bound by that part of the copyright law stating that after a limited time the copyrights return to the public .
This is motivated by limitless greed .
The public response has been to renege on their end of the agreement , and copy freely .
In other words , greed begets greed .
Monkey see , monkey do .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's quite simple, really.
Some artists and corporations feel they should not be bound by that part of the copyright law stating that after a limited time the copyrights return to the public.
This is motivated by limitless greed.
The public response has been to renege on their end of the agreement, and copy freely.
In other words, greed begets greed.
Monkey see, monkey do.
  
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	<title>Re:Reporting from Spain...</title>
	<author>twisteddk</author>
	<datestamp>1268906400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or as the article itself puts it:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>In the country, file-sharing is pretty much legal</p></div><p>That'd be along the lines of "if I kill someone he might only be 'slightly dead', so maybe I cant be punished ?"<br>It'd be so much easier to determine the meaning of the ruling, if the article at least would mention the prudent facts and legislation, as you have.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or as the article itself puts it : In the country , file-sharing is pretty much legalThat 'd be along the lines of " if I kill someone he might only be 'slightly dead ' , so maybe I cant be punished ?
" It 'd be so much easier to determine the meaning of the ruling , if the article at least would mention the prudent facts and legislation , as you have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or as the article itself puts it:In the country, file-sharing is pretty much legalThat'd be along the lines of "if I kill someone he might only be 'slightly dead', so maybe I cant be punished ?
"It'd be so much easier to determine the meaning of the ruling, if the article at least would mention the prudent facts and legislation, as you have.
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