<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_17_2218208</id>
	<title>Disgruntled Ex-Employee Remotely Disables 100 Cars</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1268825700000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:hansamurai@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">hansamurai</a> writes <i>"Over one hundred <a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/hacker-bricks-cars/">cars equipped with a Webtech Plus blackbox were remotely disabled</a> when a former employee of dealership Texas Auto Center got hold of his employer's database of users.  Webtech Plus is repossession software that allows the dealership to disable a car's ignition or trigger the horn to honk when a payment is due.  Owners had to remove the battery to stop the incessant honking.  After the dealership began fielding an unusually high number of calls from upset car owners, they changed the passwords to the Webtech Plus software and then traced the IP address used to access the client to its former employee."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>hansamurai writes " Over one hundred cars equipped with a Webtech Plus blackbox were remotely disabled when a former employee of dealership Texas Auto Center got hold of his employer 's database of users .
Webtech Plus is repossession software that allows the dealership to disable a car 's ignition or trigger the horn to honk when a payment is due .
Owners had to remove the battery to stop the incessant honking .
After the dealership began fielding an unusually high number of calls from upset car owners , they changed the passwords to the Webtech Plus software and then traced the IP address used to access the client to its former employee .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hansamurai writes "Over one hundred cars equipped with a Webtech Plus blackbox were remotely disabled when a former employee of dealership Texas Auto Center got hold of his employer's database of users.
Webtech Plus is repossession software that allows the dealership to disable a car's ignition or trigger the horn to honk when a payment is due.
Owners had to remove the battery to stop the incessant honking.
After the dealership began fielding an unusually high number of calls from upset car owners, they changed the passwords to the Webtech Plus software and then traced the IP address used to access the client to its former employee.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31521106</id>
	<title>exactly</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1268918100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>drm turns what should be a clean exchange of goods into a means of control</p><p>it rankles anyone with a sense of the principles of liberty and freedom</p><p>it is doomed to failure, in any mode, simply because it pisses off those who are now controlled simply because they engaged in commerce: it sullies your brand image. it makes people hate any company that engages in drm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>drm turns what should be a clean exchange of goods into a means of controlit rankles anyone with a sense of the principles of liberty and freedomit is doomed to failure , in any mode , simply because it pisses off those who are now controlled simply because they engaged in commerce : it sullies your brand image .
it makes people hate any company that engages in drm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>drm turns what should be a clean exchange of goods into a means of controlit rankles anyone with a sense of the principles of liberty and freedomit is doomed to failure, in any mode, simply because it pisses off those who are now controlled simply because they engaged in commerce: it sullies your brand image.
it makes people hate any company that engages in drm</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517566</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517666</id>
	<title>"Smart meters" do this for your home</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268833920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The new "smart meters" being installed on homes not only do power monitoring but also do remote control, often over a wireless mesh network.  How long until this ability is abused or repurposed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The new " smart meters " being installed on homes not only do power monitoring but also do remote control , often over a wireless mesh network .
How long until this ability is abused or repurposed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The new "smart meters" being installed on homes not only do power monitoring but also do remote control, often over a wireless mesh network.
How long until this ability is abused or repurposed?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517308</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517478</id>
	<title>Austin newspaper story link</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268832420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2010/03/17/employee\_charged\_after\_causing.html" title="statesman.com" rel="nofollow">Car owners honking mad: Cops charge man with remotely disabling cars</a> [statesman.com]</p><p>"Omar Ramos-Lopez, 20, is charged with breach of computer security, a state jail felony for which he faces up to two years behind bars."</p><p>Too bad they can't charge him once for each car whose computer-security system he disabled.  If he "faced up to 202 years behind bars" he would be much more willing to plea-bargain it down to 23 months.</p><p>OK, seriously, I say his punishment (after a stint in jail) should be that for the next 5 years there should be a 50/50 chance of his car not starting on a given day.  OK, that won't happen.  But hopefully the judge can be a bit creative with this guy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Car owners honking mad : Cops charge man with remotely disabling cars [ statesman.com ] " Omar Ramos-Lopez , 20 , is charged with breach of computer security , a state jail felony for which he faces up to two years behind bars .
" Too bad they ca n't charge him once for each car whose computer-security system he disabled .
If he " faced up to 202 years behind bars " he would be much more willing to plea-bargain it down to 23 months.OK , seriously , I say his punishment ( after a stint in jail ) should be that for the next 5 years there should be a 50/50 chance of his car not starting on a given day .
OK , that wo n't happen .
But hopefully the judge can be a bit creative with this guy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Car owners honking mad: Cops charge man with remotely disabling cars [statesman.com]"Omar Ramos-Lopez, 20, is charged with breach of computer security, a state jail felony for which he faces up to two years behind bars.
"Too bad they can't charge him once for each car whose computer-security system he disabled.
If he "faced up to 202 years behind bars" he would be much more willing to plea-bargain it down to 23 months.OK, seriously, I say his punishment (after a stint in jail) should be that for the next 5 years there should be a 50/50 chance of his car not starting on a given day.
OK, that won't happen.
But hopefully the judge can be a bit creative with this guy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517566</id>
	<title>And THIS, ladies and gentlemen...</title>
	<author>Spy der Mann</author>
	<datestamp>1268833200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...is the perfect example (and with car analogy indeed) of why DRM and remote product (de)activation is doomed to failure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...is the perfect example ( and with car analogy indeed ) of why DRM and remote product ( de ) activation is doomed to failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is the perfect example (and with car analogy indeed) of why DRM and remote product (de)activation is doomed to failure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31520124</id>
	<title>Another Case of DRM gone bad</title>
	<author>clickety6</author>
	<datestamp>1268905860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Driving Rights Management in this case!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Driving Rights Management in this case !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Driving Rights Management in this case!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517108</id>
	<title>Re:and</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268829780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>this makes front page of slashdot, why?</i></p><p>Because it makes the idiots who claim this kind of backdoor would never be misused look bad.  Why are you protesting so much, anyway?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this makes front page of slashdot , why ? Because it makes the idiots who claim this kind of backdoor would never be misused look bad .
Why are you protesting so much , anyway ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this makes front page of slashdot, why?Because it makes the idiots who claim this kind of backdoor would never be misused look bad.
Why are you protesting so much, anyway?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517062</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31535926</id>
	<title>Re:Mod Parent UP</title>
	<author>Insipid Trunculance</author>
	<datestamp>1269009600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This should be 5.This is the sort of comment which used to be seen a long time ago on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. - erudite , useful and interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This should be 5.This is the sort of comment which used to be seen a long time ago on / .
- erudite , useful and interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This should be 5.This is the sort of comment which used to be seen a long time ago on /.
- erudite , useful and interesting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31520830</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31520774</id>
	<title>I could probably cause some damage too</title>
	<author>dushkin</author>
	<datestamp>1268914320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I could export huge databases of all the prices, clients, profits, documents, deals etc. of my company. They don't really put limits on that somehow.</p><p>Moreover just today the admin told me his password when I asked him to help me out with some permission issue...</p><p>Well...</p><p>Too bad I'm an honest individual<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:( (mostly)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could export huge databases of all the prices , clients , profits , documents , deals etc .
of my company .
They do n't really put limits on that somehow.Moreover just today the admin told me his password when I asked him to help me out with some permission issue...Well...Too bad I 'm an honest individual : ( ( mostly )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could export huge databases of all the prices, clients, profits, documents, deals etc.
of my company.
They don't really put limits on that somehow.Moreover just today the admin told me his password when I asked him to help me out with some permission issue...Well...Too bad I'm an honest individual :( (mostly)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31518942</id>
	<title>What about Ford Sync?</title>
	<author>DarkJC</author>
	<datestamp>1268845020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I noticed people here talking about how OnStar has similar capabilities. What about the Ford Sync system Ford is putting in all their vehicles now. Does that have similar capabilities to OnStar, or is it more just a media player/phone system deal?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I noticed people here talking about how OnStar has similar capabilities .
What about the Ford Sync system Ford is putting in all their vehicles now .
Does that have similar capabilities to OnStar , or is it more just a media player/phone system deal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I noticed people here talking about how OnStar has similar capabilities.
What about the Ford Sync system Ford is putting in all their vehicles now.
Does that have similar capabilities to OnStar, or is it more just a media player/phone system deal?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517884</id>
	<title>Only two replies that mention Toyota?</title>
	<author>dgun</author>
	<datestamp>1268835720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now three.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now three .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now three.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31520926</id>
	<title>DRM!!!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268916720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this is by definition DRM for vehicles. Where's razor1911?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is by definition DRM for vehicles .
Where 's razor1911 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is by definition DRM for vehicles.
Where's razor1911?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517514</id>
	<title>Hmm</title>
	<author>ryan.onsrc</author>
	<datestamp>1268832780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps Toyota should review which Engineers have been fired lately.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps Toyota should review which Engineers have been fired lately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps Toyota should review which Engineers have been fired lately.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517910</id>
	<title>Re:This sounds like some great software.</title>
	<author>Nidi62</author>
	<datestamp>1268836020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Find yourself an old Pinto?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Find yourself an old Pinto ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find yourself an old Pinto?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517308</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31520884</id>
	<title>Overkill?</title>
	<author>DudeTheMath</author>
	<datestamp>1268916060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pull the battery? There's this thing under the hood called the fuse box--pull the horn fuse. On my Saturn, at least, the horn has its own fuse. I know, because one night, it started honking all by itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pull the battery ?
There 's this thing under the hood called the fuse box--pull the horn fuse .
On my Saturn , at least , the horn has its own fuse .
I know , because one night , it started honking all by itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pull the battery?
There's this thing under the hood called the fuse box--pull the horn fuse.
On my Saturn, at least, the horn has its own fuse.
I know, because one night, it started honking all by itself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517452</id>
	<title>/. where are you?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268832240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been reading<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. for a couple years now as anon coward, and I have seen a huge decline in conversation recently.  I am not trolling, I am concerned.  I enjoy the tinfoil hat banter, I enjoy the uninformed but concerned banter, and I also enjoy the informed and willing to share banter.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. has sparked my wonder, concern and inquisitiveness....Where has this gone?  It seems like it's flooded with negative non-informed slander.  I want it back...I understand that as an anon coward, I don't have pull, but I will miss something in my life, if it comes to another<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com that I regular.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been reading / .
for a couple years now as anon coward , and I have seen a huge decline in conversation recently .
I am not trolling , I am concerned .
I enjoy the tinfoil hat banter , I enjoy the uninformed but concerned banter , and I also enjoy the informed and willing to share banter .
/. has sparked my wonder , concern and inquisitiveness....Where has this gone ?
It seems like it 's flooded with negative non-informed slander .
I want it back...I understand that as an anon coward , I do n't have pull , but I will miss something in my life , if it comes to another .com that I regular .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been reading /.
for a couple years now as anon coward, and I have seen a huge decline in conversation recently.
I am not trolling, I am concerned.
I enjoy the tinfoil hat banter, I enjoy the uninformed but concerned banter, and I also enjoy the informed and willing to share banter.
/. has sparked my wonder, concern and inquisitiveness....Where has this gone?
It seems like it's flooded with negative non-informed slander.
I want it back...I understand that as an anon coward, I don't have pull, but I will miss something in my life, if it comes to another .com that I regular.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517608</id>
	<title>Re:Moron</title>
	<author>sixsixtysix</author>
	<datestamp>1268833560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>getting pounding in the ass in Federal Prison</p></div><p>why perpetuate this?  granted, it CAN happen, but nowhere near the level that pop culture seems to imply.
do you also think that many guards are bribed regularly?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>getting pounding in the ass in Federal Prisonwhy perpetuate this ?
granted , it CAN happen , but nowhere near the level that pop culture seems to imply .
do you also think that many guards are bribed regularly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>getting pounding in the ass in Federal Prisonwhy perpetuate this?
granted, it CAN happen, but nowhere near the level that pop culture seems to imply.
do you also think that many guards are bribed regularly?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517282</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31523854</id>
	<title>Re:Moron</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1268932260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You don't need a job in Federal Prison.  They provide you with 3 meals a day!  You also get exercise equipment, free TV, and you get to have recess every day!  Oh and then there is all that free time to read all the books you want!  Talk about a care free life!  Hell if you're motivated you could even get a doctorate while locked up.<br>
<br>
I think I'm going to go rob a bank right now!  If I get away with it I'll have the money to buy my own exercise equipment and pay for cable TV for life, and if I don't I get it for FREE!  I sure hope my cell-mate is cute, I do hate sleeping alone...</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't need a job in Federal Prison .
They provide you with 3 meals a day !
You also get exercise equipment , free TV , and you get to have recess every day !
Oh and then there is all that free time to read all the books you want !
Talk about a care free life !
Hell if you 're motivated you could even get a doctorate while locked up .
I think I 'm going to go rob a bank right now !
If I get away with it I 'll have the money to buy my own exercise equipment and pay for cable TV for life , and if I do n't I get it for FREE !
I sure hope my cell-mate is cute , I do hate sleeping alone.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't need a job in Federal Prison.
They provide you with 3 meals a day!
You also get exercise equipment, free TV, and you get to have recess every day!
Oh and then there is all that free time to read all the books you want!
Talk about a care free life!
Hell if you're motivated you could even get a doctorate while locked up.
I think I'm going to go rob a bank right now!
If I get away with it I'll have the money to buy my own exercise equipment and pay for cable TV for life, and if I don't I get it for FREE!
I sure hope my cell-mate is cute, I do hate sleeping alone...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517282</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517532</id>
	<title>Re:Moron</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268833020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>He get... I... you... We're who on the what, now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>He get... I... you... We 're who on the what , now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He get... I... you... We're who on the what, now?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517282</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31520070</id>
	<title>Re:And THIS, ladies and gentlemen...</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1268904960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...is the perfect example (and with car analogy indeed) of why DRM and remote product (de)activation is doomed to failure.</p></div><p>Actually, this is a perfect example of why remote product deactivation is a great idea (it reduces the risk involved in selling a car on credit to people who are lousy credit risks), there are just some glitches that need ironing out.  If it had been authenticated with a certificate which could be revoked as soon as the employee left (even better - build the certificate revoking process into the "remove employee from computer system" process) it'd be much less of an issue.</p><p>If you want an example of why remote product (de)activation is a lousy idea - and one with a car analogy - there was one on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. a couple of years back about a gated multi-storey car park where the developers of the car-park remotely locked the car park (locking all the cars in) when the owner refused to pay a monthly fee.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...is the perfect example ( and with car analogy indeed ) of why DRM and remote product ( de ) activation is doomed to failure.Actually , this is a perfect example of why remote product deactivation is a great idea ( it reduces the risk involved in selling a car on credit to people who are lousy credit risks ) , there are just some glitches that need ironing out .
If it had been authenticated with a certificate which could be revoked as soon as the employee left ( even better - build the certificate revoking process into the " remove employee from computer system " process ) it 'd be much less of an issue.If you want an example of why remote product ( de ) activation is a lousy idea - and one with a car analogy - there was one on / .
a couple of years back about a gated multi-storey car park where the developers of the car-park remotely locked the car park ( locking all the cars in ) when the owner refused to pay a monthly fee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is the perfect example (and with car analogy indeed) of why DRM and remote product (de)activation is doomed to failure.Actually, this is a perfect example of why remote product deactivation is a great idea (it reduces the risk involved in selling a car on credit to people who are lousy credit risks), there are just some glitches that need ironing out.
If it had been authenticated with a certificate which could be revoked as soon as the employee left (even better - build the certificate revoking process into the "remove employee from computer system" process) it'd be much less of an issue.If you want an example of why remote product (de)activation is a lousy idea - and one with a car analogy - there was one on /.
a couple of years back about a gated multi-storey car park where the developers of the car-park remotely locked the car park (locking all the cars in) when the owner refused to pay a monthly fee.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517566</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31520552</id>
	<title>Pay cash...</title>
	<author>Bert64</author>
	<datestamp>1268911860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm happy to say i have always bought cars for cash, never had any kind of credit on them...<br>Although this meant that i've always had cars which were several years old rather than a new one, with careful selection this can actually bring big advantages...<br>I tend to buy cars which were well looked after, so aside from my first ever car (which was extremely rusty and had bits dropping off the bodywork) my cars have been very reliable, and i avoid the teething troubles that sometimes plague new cars.</p><p>Also if you buy at the right time, the car may have finished depreciating and depending on the type, might actually start to increase in value as a classic.</p><p>The only thing i miss out on, is some of the fancy features on newer cars, and even that's not always the case - if you buy a highend car from 10 years ago it might even have features not present on a lowend car from today...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm happy to say i have always bought cars for cash , never had any kind of credit on them...Although this meant that i 've always had cars which were several years old rather than a new one , with careful selection this can actually bring big advantages...I tend to buy cars which were well looked after , so aside from my first ever car ( which was extremely rusty and had bits dropping off the bodywork ) my cars have been very reliable , and i avoid the teething troubles that sometimes plague new cars.Also if you buy at the right time , the car may have finished depreciating and depending on the type , might actually start to increase in value as a classic.The only thing i miss out on , is some of the fancy features on newer cars , and even that 's not always the case - if you buy a highend car from 10 years ago it might even have features not present on a lowend car from today.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm happy to say i have always bought cars for cash, never had any kind of credit on them...Although this meant that i've always had cars which were several years old rather than a new one, with careful selection this can actually bring big advantages...I tend to buy cars which were well looked after, so aside from my first ever car (which was extremely rusty and had bits dropping off the bodywork) my cars have been very reliable, and i avoid the teething troubles that sometimes plague new cars.Also if you buy at the right time, the car may have finished depreciating and depending on the type, might actually start to increase in value as a classic.The only thing i miss out on, is some of the fancy features on newer cars, and even that's not always the case - if you buy a highend car from 10 years ago it might even have features not present on a lowend car from today...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31519554</id>
	<title>Re:What a maroon.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268853360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>moron</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>moron</tokentext>
<sentencetext>moron</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517214</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517282</id>
	<title>Moron</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268830860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If not that job, go find another what did he achieve doing this may be getting pounding in the ass in Federal Prison.
Now he cannot get anymore job anywhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If not that job , go find another what did he achieve doing this may be getting pounding in the ass in Federal Prison .
Now he can not get anymore job anywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If not that job, go find another what did he achieve doing this may be getting pounding in the ass in Federal Prison.
Now he cannot get anymore job anywhere.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517750</id>
	<title>Re:and</title>
	<author>icannotthinkofaname</author>
	<datestamp>1268834580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This makes it to the front page of Slashdot so that you can summarize it with a car analogy.</p><p>Or maybe it's a trick and you're supposed to summarize it with a computer analogy.  Could go either way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This makes it to the front page of Slashdot so that you can summarize it with a car analogy.Or maybe it 's a trick and you 're supposed to summarize it with a computer analogy .
Could go either way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This makes it to the front page of Slashdot so that you can summarize it with a car analogy.Or maybe it's a trick and you're supposed to summarize it with a computer analogy.
Could go either way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517062</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517562</id>
	<title>Re:What a maroon.</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1268833200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just to be clear this Texas.  Not only Texas, but central Texas.  To get from Austin to a civilized area outside of Texas, i.e. Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, and back is going to take a person several hours.  In fact, it would make more sense to leave the country and go into mexico.
<p>
As another point, I hope that the dealership is prosecuted for this.  If they are providing loans, they have sensitive data, and if they are not changing passwords when an employee is terminated, one can assume that they have equally ineffective control of customer data, such as social security numbers.  It is a good this that this guy was only trying to be annoying, or at least we hope so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to be clear this Texas .
Not only Texas , but central Texas .
To get from Austin to a civilized area outside of Texas , i.e .
Oklahoma , Arkansas , Louisiana , New Mexico , and back is going to take a person several hours .
In fact , it would make more sense to leave the country and go into mexico .
As another point , I hope that the dealership is prosecuted for this .
If they are providing loans , they have sensitive data , and if they are not changing passwords when an employee is terminated , one can assume that they have equally ineffective control of customer data , such as social security numbers .
It is a good this that this guy was only trying to be annoying , or at least we hope so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to be clear this Texas.
Not only Texas, but central Texas.
To get from Austin to a civilized area outside of Texas, i.e.
Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, and back is going to take a person several hours.
In fact, it would make more sense to leave the country and go into mexico.
As another point, I hope that the dealership is prosecuted for this.
If they are providing loans, they have sensitive data, and if they are not changing passwords when an employee is terminated, one can assume that they have equally ineffective control of customer data, such as social security numbers.
It is a good this that this guy was only trying to be annoying, or at least we hope so.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517214</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31523292</id>
	<title>Re:and</title>
	<author>ubermiester</author>
	<datestamp>1268929380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>this makes front page of slashdot, why?</p></div><p>because just about EVERYTHING that you buy will soon have a processor/wireless in it, and problems like this are going to increase exponentially.  we must be smarter about the safeguards we require, as well as being smarter about what we accept in our products.  in this case the car was simply disabled.  what happens in 25 years with auto-piloted cars or whatever.

</p><p>this is important.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>this makes front page of slashdot , why ? because just about EVERYTHING that you buy will soon have a processor/wireless in it , and problems like this are going to increase exponentially .
we must be smarter about the safeguards we require , as well as being smarter about what we accept in our products .
in this case the car was simply disabled .
what happens in 25 years with auto-piloted cars or whatever .
this is important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this makes front page of slashdot, why?because just about EVERYTHING that you buy will soon have a processor/wireless in it, and problems like this are going to increase exponentially.
we must be smarter about the safeguards we require, as well as being smarter about what we accept in our products.
in this case the car was simply disabled.
what happens in 25 years with auto-piloted cars or whatever.
this is important.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517062</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517440</id>
	<title>Demonstrates possibility of same flaw elsewhere</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268832120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't wait for the same story about "Smart Meter" electric meters being installed around the country.<br>Or about the first zero day flaw in their wireless access allowing anyone to shut off your power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't wait for the same story about " Smart Meter " electric meters being installed around the country.Or about the first zero day flaw in their wireless access allowing anyone to shut off your power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't wait for the same story about "Smart Meter" electric meters being installed around the country.Or about the first zero day flaw in their wireless access allowing anyone to shut off your power.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31527196</id>
	<title>Re:This sounds like some great software.</title>
	<author>sabt-pestnu</author>
	<datestamp>1268944920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you can still get 'slightly used' Ford Pintos whose owners have not actually deployed that feature...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you can still get 'slightly used ' Ford Pintos whose owners have not actually deployed that feature.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you can still get 'slightly used' Ford Pintos whose owners have not actually deployed that feature...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517308</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31519068</id>
	<title>Biased reporting</title>
	<author>FatdogHaiku</author>
	<datestamp>1268846400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's always the "disgruntled ex-employee" that gets the headlines. Why oh why do we never hear of all the good being done by the many gruntled people of the workforce?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's always the " disgruntled ex-employee " that gets the headlines .
Why oh why do we never hear of all the good being done by the many gruntled people of the workforce ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's always the "disgruntled ex-employee" that gets the headlines.
Why oh why do we never hear of all the good being done by the many gruntled people of the workforce?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517530</id>
	<title>It's for people with crap credit</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1268832960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They don't ask for it, the bank makes it a requirement of the loan. This way if a payment isn't on time, they can turn the car off to force the issue. You aren't going to find it on a car from a dealer, financed by a normal bank. It is for high risk situations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't ask for it , the bank makes it a requirement of the loan .
This way if a payment is n't on time , they can turn the car off to force the issue .
You are n't going to find it on a car from a dealer , financed by a normal bank .
It is for high risk situations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't ask for it, the bank makes it a requirement of the loan.
This way if a payment isn't on time, they can turn the car off to force the issue.
You aren't going to find it on a car from a dealer, financed by a normal bank.
It is for high risk situations.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517308</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31519030</id>
	<title>Re:and</title>
	<author>FatdogHaiku</author>
	<datestamp>1268845920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>this makes front page of slashdot, why?</p></div><p>Well for one thing it's going to be easy for everyone to do car analogies!  Then there's the whole "non-existent data security in the retail market" aspect. Next up is the question, is this a service accessible from the web? Oh also, how can I tell/find out if one of these boxes is wired into my new car? There seems to be plenty of geek mileage available, more so for anyone that's ever been late with a car payment...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>this makes front page of slashdot , why ? Well for one thing it 's going to be easy for everyone to do car analogies !
Then there 's the whole " non-existent data security in the retail market " aspect .
Next up is the question , is this a service accessible from the web ?
Oh also , how can I tell/find out if one of these boxes is wired into my new car ?
There seems to be plenty of geek mileage available , more so for anyone that 's ever been late with a car payment.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this makes front page of slashdot, why?Well for one thing it's going to be easy for everyone to do car analogies!
Then there's the whole "non-existent data security in the retail market" aspect.
Next up is the question, is this a service accessible from the web?
Oh also, how can I tell/find out if one of these boxes is wired into my new car?
There seems to be plenty of geek mileage available, more so for anyone that's ever been late with a car payment...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517062</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517858</id>
	<title>Re:Moron</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268835600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love office space! (good reference)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love office space !
( good reference )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love office space!
(good reference)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517282</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31521124</id>
	<title>STUPID disgruntled employee</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268918160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone knows, that if you pull something like that off, you do it from the computer of your most hated <em>boss</em>. E.g. use it as a non-logging proxy and delete the proxy software afterwards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone knows , that if you pull something like that off , you do it from the computer of your most hated boss .
E.g. use it as a non-logging proxy and delete the proxy software afterwards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone knows, that if you pull something like that off, you do it from the computer of your most hated boss.
E.g. use it as a non-logging proxy and delete the proxy software afterwards.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517880</id>
	<title>Bruteforce</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268835720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How would they stop bruteforcing of this?  Does it lock out connections to the car after x many failed attempts, and if so, that is an exploit in itself.  This is begging for a whole new level of wardriving...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How would they stop bruteforcing of this ?
Does it lock out connections to the car after x many failed attempts , and if so , that is an exploit in itself .
This is begging for a whole new level of wardriving.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How would they stop bruteforcing of this?
Does it lock out connections to the car after x many failed attempts, and if so, that is an exploit in itself.
This is begging for a whole new level of wardriving...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31518160</id>
	<title>It Is My Sad Duty To Inform You...</title>
	<author>hyades1</author>
	<datestamp>1268838120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Dear Mr. Goosnarp: </p><p> I regret to inform you that the dealership no longer requires your services.  Please don't assume that we believe you are without value as an employee and a human being, it's just that your particular skillset is not what we really need right now.  Although you consistently exhibit a very high level of originality, and your computer skills easily surpass anyone else currently in our employ, we need somebody who pays more attention to the small details (cough) IP addy (cough). </p><p> We wish you well in your future endeavors, and would be delighted to supply a positive recommendation to any prospective employers who may contact us...as long as you don't do anything stupid. </p><p> Sincerely, </p><p> Your Former Boss </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Mr. Goosnarp : I regret to inform you that the dealership no longer requires your services .
Please do n't assume that we believe you are without value as an employee and a human being , it 's just that your particular skillset is not what we really need right now .
Although you consistently exhibit a very high level of originality , and your computer skills easily surpass anyone else currently in our employ , we need somebody who pays more attention to the small details ( cough ) IP addy ( cough ) .
We wish you well in your future endeavors , and would be delighted to supply a positive recommendation to any prospective employers who may contact us...as long as you do n't do anything stupid .
Sincerely , Your Former Boss</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Dear Mr. Goosnarp:  I regret to inform you that the dealership no longer requires your services.
Please don't assume that we believe you are without value as an employee and a human being, it's just that your particular skillset is not what we really need right now.
Although you consistently exhibit a very high level of originality, and your computer skills easily surpass anyone else currently in our employ, we need somebody who pays more attention to the small details (cough) IP addy (cough).
We wish you well in your future endeavors, and would be delighted to supply a positive recommendation to any prospective employers who may contact us...as long as you don't do anything stupid.
Sincerely,  Your Former Boss </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31522528</id>
	<title>Re:What a maroon.</title>
	<author>NekSnappa</author>
	<datestamp>1268925780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>New Mexico? Civilized? Really? Have you ever driven through that state?</htmltext>
<tokenext>New Mexico ?
Civilized ? Really ?
Have you ever driven through that state ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Mexico?
Civilized? Really?
Have you ever driven through that state?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31518536</id>
	<title>Nowhere said the system will be removed...</title>
	<author>ub3r n3u7r4l1st</author>
	<datestamp>1268841540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>after all the payment is completed. This means they still have control of your vehicle even though the card is yours legally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>after all the payment is completed .
This means they still have control of your vehicle even though the card is yours legally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>after all the payment is completed.
This means they still have control of your vehicle even though the card is yours legally.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517462</id>
	<title>Re:This sounds like some great software.</title>
	<author>EkriirkE</author>
	<datestamp>1268832360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe the middle eastern models do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe the middle eastern models do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe the middle eastern models do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517308</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31521156</id>
	<title>Re:Demonstrates possibility of same flaw elsewhere</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268918400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are already exploits available.  It is indeed very scary.  The other thing that sucks is all of the meter readers are being laid off.  Sounds like a lose lose scenario to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are already exploits available .
It is indeed very scary .
The other thing that sucks is all of the meter readers are being laid off .
Sounds like a lose lose scenario to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are already exploits available.
It is indeed very scary.
The other thing that sucks is all of the meter readers are being laid off.
Sounds like a lose lose scenario to me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517440</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517064</id>
	<title>I don't understand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268829540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can someone explain this article to me using a car analogy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can someone explain this article to me using a car analogy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can someone explain this article to me using a car analogy?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31520964</id>
	<title>Re:It's for people with crap credit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268917080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel\_Farr</p><p>One version of the story is that Farr over extended himself by making loans to the black community when others would not. Others claimed that he was exploiting those who were bad credit risks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>see http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel \ _FarrOne version of the story is that Farr over extended himself by making loans to the black community when others would not .
Others claimed that he was exploiting those who were bad credit risks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel\_FarrOne version of the story is that Farr over extended himself by making loans to the black community when others would not.
Others claimed that he was exploiting those who were bad credit risks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517530</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31518572</id>
	<title>Here's a good question...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268841840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will he be incarcerated for this carnage?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will he be incarcerated for this carnage ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will he be incarcerated for this carnage?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517354</id>
	<title>Another disgruntled employee</title>
	<author>CODiNE</author>
	<datestamp>1268831400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When are bosses going to learn to stop taking away their gruntles??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When are bosses going to learn to stop taking away their gruntles ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When are bosses going to learn to stop taking away their gruntles?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31520080</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268905080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I'm beginning to think that everybody who's been laid off should be electronically tagged. Lotta freaks out there..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I 'm beginning to think that everybody who 's been laid off should be electronically tagged .
Lotta freaks out there. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I'm beginning to think that everybody who's been laid off should be electronically tagged.
Lotta freaks out there..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517308</id>
	<title>This sounds like some great software.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268831100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would definitely be interested in buying a car that can be triggered to shutdown or start blaring its horn remotely!  Is there anyway to buy one with a built-in bomb?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would definitely be interested in buying a car that can be triggered to shutdown or start blaring its horn remotely !
Is there anyway to buy one with a built-in bomb ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would definitely be interested in buying a car that can be triggered to shutdown or start blaring its horn remotely!
Is there anyway to buy one with a built-in bomb?</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31519934</id>
	<title>Hacker ... yeah, right</title>
	<author>black\_lbi</author>
	<datestamp>1268902860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA:<p><div class="quote"><p>&ldquo;Omar was pretty good with computers,&rdquo; says Garcia.</p></div><p>
You heard that? "Pretty good with computers"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... that must really mean something, especially coming from a (car dealership) manager.
<br>
Then, of course, we have this little gem:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Then police obtained access logs from Pay Technologies, and traced the saboteur&rsquo;s IP address to Ramos-Lopez&rsquo;s AT&amp;T internet service</p></div><p>So he accessed the website (using his password, no hacking required here) from his home? Without even bothering with Tor?
<br>
"Pretty good", but not good enough.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA :    Omar was pretty good with computers ,    says Garcia .
You heard that ?
" Pretty good with computers " ... that must really mean something , especially coming from a ( car dealership ) manager .
Then , of course , we have this little gem : Then police obtained access logs from Pay Technologies , and traced the saboteur    s IP address to Ramos-Lopez    s AT&amp;T internet serviceSo he accessed the website ( using his password , no hacking required here ) from his home ?
Without even bothering with Tor ?
" Pretty good " , but not good enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:“Omar was pretty good with computers,” says Garcia.
You heard that?
"Pretty good with computers" ... that must really mean something, especially coming from a (car dealership) manager.
Then, of course, we have this little gem:Then police obtained access logs from Pay Technologies, and traced the saboteur’s IP address to Ramos-Lopez’s AT&amp;T internet serviceSo he accessed the website (using his password, no hacking required here) from his home?
Without even bothering with Tor?
"Pretty good", but not good enough.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517214</id>
	<title>What a maroon.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268830440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're going to play around with your ex-employer's systems like that, you don't do it from your own home. You go interstate, to a 'net cafe, and do it from there! Sheesh. Kids these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're going to play around with your ex-employer 's systems like that , you do n't do it from your own home .
You go interstate , to a 'net cafe , and do it from there !
Sheesh. Kids these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're going to play around with your ex-employer's systems like that, you don't do it from your own home.
You go interstate, to a 'net cafe, and do it from there!
Sheesh. Kids these days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517062</id>
	<title>and</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268829540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>this makes front page of slashdot, why?</htmltext>
<tokenext>this makes front page of slashdot , why ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this makes front page of slashdot, why?</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31520016</id>
	<title>Needs clarification.</title>
	<author>zmollusc</author>
	<datestamp>1268904240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this in violation of the Repo Man's code?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this in violation of the Repo Man 's code ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this in violation of the Repo Man's code?</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31518862</id>
	<title>I hoped they tracked the IP in real time...</title>
	<author>pRtkL xLr8r</author>
	<datestamp>1268844300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...By creating a gui interface in Visual Basic...</htmltext>
<tokenext>...By creating a gui interface in Visual Basic.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...By creating a gui interface in Visual Basic...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31519376</id>
	<title>Re:This sounds like some great software.</title>
	<author>drkim</author>
	<datestamp>1268850300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes... it's called a "Pinto":
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_Y5TfgG8nm0" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_Y5TfgG8nm0</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes... it 's called a " Pinto " : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = \ _Y5TfgG8nm0 [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes... it's called a "Pinto":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_Y5TfgG8nm0 [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517316</id>
	<title>Re:and</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268831160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Faggots don't have anything else to talk about since nothing happened in LinSux world today.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Faggots do n't have anything else to talk about since nothing happened in LinSux world today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Faggots don't have anything else to talk about since nothing happened in LinSux world today.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31517644</id>
	<title>Re:Demonstrates possibility of same flaw elsewhere</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268833740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some Arizona senior will leave us early when a kid disables the AC during nap time and leaves it disabled.  Or it might just be the power company making their 'green' quota.</p><p>France shed a bunch of oldsters when some OMGWTFITSGLOBALWARMING +90F days occurred while most of the care takers were on their umpteenth week of vacation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some Arizona senior will leave us early when a kid disables the AC during nap time and leaves it disabled .
Or it might just be the power company making their 'green ' quota.France shed a bunch of oldsters when some OMGWTFITSGLOBALWARMING + 90F days occurred while most of the care takers were on their umpteenth week of vacation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some Arizona senior will leave us early when a kid disables the AC during nap time and leaves it disabled.
Or it might just be the power company making their 'green' quota.France shed a bunch of oldsters when some OMGWTFITSGLOBALWARMING +90F days occurred while most of the care takers were on their umpteenth week of vacation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31518298</id>
	<title>Re:And THIS, ladies and gentlemen...</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1268839440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but not in the free market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but not in the free market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but not in the free market.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31518064</id>
	<title>Re:What a maroon.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268837520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait since when did Texas have any levels of civilization?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait since when did Texas have any levels of civilization ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait since when did Texas have any levels of civilization?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31520830</id>
	<title>Re:Another disgruntled employee</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1268915040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Disgruntled" is a word with very interesting origins.  On the surface, it is one of those words (like "non-chalant") that appears to be a compound suggesting a non existent opposite word (like "chalant")</p><p>The OED cites P.D. Wodehouse for "gruntled", but obviously Wodehouse was playing with the language here when he suggests that it means "satisfied".  "Gruntle" <em>is</em> actually  a word, but it is an obsolete one. It is not the opposite of "gruntle".  "Gruntle"/"disgruntle" is a word pair more like "flammable"/"inflammable"; the "in-" prefix in "inflammable" is not the "in-" that means "not" ; it is the "in-" prefix that means "in, into or onto".  The "in-" in "inflammable" is a cognate of the prefix "en-", as in "enraged".</p><p>"Dis-" in "disgruntled" is from a much rarer and erudite Latin sense of "dis", one that means "utterly".   Both the "utterly" sense of "dis" and the "not"/"lack"/"opposite of" senses come from a  Proto-Indo-European root mean "to separate".</p><p>So we should take "disgruntled" to mean "utterly gruntled", not "un-gruntled".   So what is "gruntle" supposed to mean?  Technically, "gruntle" is the frequentive form of "grunt".  A "frequentive" verb is one that indicates a continual, incessant action.   The word "gruntle" originally came into English meaning the incessant sounds made by an inconsolably upset pig.  Later by metonymy it came also refer to the pig's snout (the part he gruntles with), and later the word was used to describe the faces of people in an unpleasant mood. There are not so many useful Latin prefixes for amplification, and "supergruntled" does not trip off the tongue, so "disgruntled" became the word for a person whose face expressed a very unpleasant mood.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Disgruntled " is a word with very interesting origins .
On the surface , it is one of those words ( like " non-chalant " ) that appears to be a compound suggesting a non existent opposite word ( like " chalant " ) The OED cites P.D .
Wodehouse for " gruntled " , but obviously Wodehouse was playing with the language here when he suggests that it means " satisfied " .
" Gruntle " is actually a word , but it is an obsolete one .
It is not the opposite of " gruntle " .
" Gruntle " / " disgruntle " is a word pair more like " flammable " / " inflammable " ; the " in- " prefix in " inflammable " is not the " in- " that means " not " ; it is the " in- " prefix that means " in , into or onto " .
The " in- " in " inflammable " is a cognate of the prefix " en- " , as in " enraged " .
" Dis- " in " disgruntled " is from a much rarer and erudite Latin sense of " dis " , one that means " utterly " .
Both the " utterly " sense of " dis " and the " not " / " lack " / " opposite of " senses come from a Proto-Indo-European root mean " to separate " .So we should take " disgruntled " to mean " utterly gruntled " , not " un-gruntled " .
So what is " gruntle " supposed to mean ?
Technically , " gruntle " is the frequentive form of " grunt " .
A " frequentive " verb is one that indicates a continual , incessant action .
The word " gruntle " originally came into English meaning the incessant sounds made by an inconsolably upset pig .
Later by metonymy it came also refer to the pig 's snout ( the part he gruntles with ) , and later the word was used to describe the faces of people in an unpleasant mood .
There are not so many useful Latin prefixes for amplification , and " supergruntled " does not trip off the tongue , so " disgruntled " became the word for a person whose face expressed a very unpleasant mood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Disgruntled" is a word with very interesting origins.
On the surface, it is one of those words (like "non-chalant") that appears to be a compound suggesting a non existent opposite word (like "chalant")The OED cites P.D.
Wodehouse for "gruntled", but obviously Wodehouse was playing with the language here when he suggests that it means "satisfied".
"Gruntle" is actually  a word, but it is an obsolete one.
It is not the opposite of "gruntle".
"Gruntle"/"disgruntle" is a word pair more like "flammable"/"inflammable"; the "in-" prefix in "inflammable" is not the "in-" that means "not" ; it is the "in-" prefix that means "in, into or onto".
The "in-" in "inflammable" is a cognate of the prefix "en-", as in "enraged".
"Dis-" in "disgruntled" is from a much rarer and erudite Latin sense of "dis", one that means "utterly".
Both the "utterly" sense of "dis" and the "not"/"lack"/"opposite of" senses come from a  Proto-Indo-European root mean "to separate".So we should take "disgruntled" to mean "utterly gruntled", not "un-gruntled".
So what is "gruntle" supposed to mean?
Technically, "gruntle" is the frequentive form of "grunt".
A "frequentive" verb is one that indicates a continual, incessant action.
The word "gruntle" originally came into English meaning the incessant sounds made by an inconsolably upset pig.
Later by metonymy it came also refer to the pig's snout (the part he gruntles with), and later the word was used to describe the faces of people in an unpleasant mood.
There are not so many useful Latin prefixes for amplification, and "supergruntled" does not trip off the tongue, so "disgruntled" became the word for a person whose face expressed a very unpleasant mood.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_2218208.31520396</id>
	<title>Cars with DRM?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268910000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bloody hell, so even cars have DRM now?  The world is going to hell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bloody hell , so even cars have DRM now ?
The world is going to hell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bloody hell, so even cars have DRM now?
The world is going to hell.</sentencetext>
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