<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_17_1530258</id>
	<title>The Death of the US-Mexico Virtual Fence</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1268843280000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"A couple of years ago it was announced that the Boeing-built virtual fence at the US-Mexico border <a href="//politics.slashdot.org/story/08/02/29/1321243/US-Virtual-Border-Fence-Doesnt-Work">didn't work</a>.  Started in 2006, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBInet">SBInet</a> has been labeled a miserable failure and finally halted.  A soon-to-be-released GAO report is expected to be overwhelmingly critical of SBInet, causing DHS Chief Janet Napolitano to announce yesterday that <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124758593&amp;ft=1&amp;f=1019">funding for the project has been frozen</a>.  It's sad that $1.4 billion had to be spent on the project before the discovery that this poorly conceived idea would not work."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " A couple of years ago it was announced that the Boeing-built virtual fence at the US-Mexico border did n't work .
Started in 2006 , SBInet has been labeled a miserable failure and finally halted .
A soon-to-be-released GAO report is expected to be overwhelmingly critical of SBInet , causing DHS Chief Janet Napolitano to announce yesterday that funding for the project has been frozen .
It 's sad that $ 1.4 billion had to be spent on the project before the discovery that this poorly conceived idea would not work .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "A couple of years ago it was announced that the Boeing-built virtual fence at the US-Mexico border didn't work.
Started in 2006, SBInet has been labeled a miserable failure and finally halted.
A soon-to-be-released GAO report is expected to be overwhelmingly critical of SBInet, causing DHS Chief Janet Napolitano to announce yesterday that funding for the project has been frozen.
It's sad that $1.4 billion had to be spent on the project before the discovery that this poorly conceived idea would not work.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510378</id>
	<title>If they had called it SkyNet</title>
	<author>olddotter</author>
	<datestamp>1268847840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they had just called it SkyNet (or even SyFyNet) we could all rest easier.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they had just called it SkyNet ( or even SyFyNet ) we could all rest easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they had just called it SkyNet (or even SyFyNet) we could all rest easier.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31511776</id>
	<title>Didn't use the cloud..</title>
	<author>PaulMeigh</author>
	<datestamp>1268851560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is obvious. They used a virtual fence instead of a fence in the cloud. A fence in the cloud would obviously be hand-wavingly cheaper, way more reliable, highly secure and infinitely scalable.</p><p>Dear USA Gov: I am happy to consult on this issue and assure you that I can implement a fence in the cloud at half the price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is obvious .
They used a virtual fence instead of a fence in the cloud .
A fence in the cloud would obviously be hand-wavingly cheaper , way more reliable , highly secure and infinitely scalable.Dear USA Gov : I am happy to consult on this issue and assure you that I can implement a fence in the cloud at half the price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is obvious.
They used a virtual fence instead of a fence in the cloud.
A fence in the cloud would obviously be hand-wavingly cheaper, way more reliable, highly secure and infinitely scalable.Dear USA Gov: I am happy to consult on this issue and assure you that I can implement a fence in the cloud at half the price.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31514604</id>
	<title>Good Riddens, the Delivered Pizza was Always Cold</title>
	<author>LifesABeach</author>
	<datestamp>1268817840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I would cross over, I noticed that the virtual fence towers were using an off the shelf WiFi interface.  My mig-labor-pickup van was always late, and I'd get hungry waiting.  So, I would just internet-order a Pizza and have it delivered at the GPS coordinates on my cell phone.  The problem I had with the virtual fence was that the pizza would be cold, and the beer warm; go figure.  Maybe if Boeing would use Verizon's G3, my Pizza and Beer would taste better?</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I would cross over , I noticed that the virtual fence towers were using an off the shelf WiFi interface .
My mig-labor-pickup van was always late , and I 'd get hungry waiting .
So , I would just internet-order a Pizza and have it delivered at the GPS coordinates on my cell phone .
The problem I had with the virtual fence was that the pizza would be cold , and the beer warm ; go figure .
Maybe if Boeing would use Verizon 's G3 , my Pizza and Beer would taste better ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I would cross over, I noticed that the virtual fence towers were using an off the shelf WiFi interface.
My mig-labor-pickup van was always late, and I'd get hungry waiting.
So, I would just internet-order a Pizza and have it delivered at the GPS coordinates on my cell phone.
The problem I had with the virtual fence was that the pizza would be cold, and the beer warm; go figure.
Maybe if Boeing would use Verizon's G3, my Pizza and Beer would taste better?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31513276</id>
	<title>Solid in the way that a sponge is a solid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268856120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless things have changed significantly in the past 3 weeks, there is still a huge stretch of unfenced, unmarked open border across the Yuha desert west of Calexico, and in the vicinity of Tecate peak. Granted, most of it runs through gulleys and over hilly terrain, but this is seldom a problem for people who have already crossed however many miles to get there.</p><p>Also that solid fence is frequently undermined as it only extends into the earth a few inches in many places. Thus there are holes dug under it at a frequency of at least one per mile or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless things have changed significantly in the past 3 weeks , there is still a huge stretch of unfenced , unmarked open border across the Yuha desert west of Calexico , and in the vicinity of Tecate peak .
Granted , most of it runs through gulleys and over hilly terrain , but this is seldom a problem for people who have already crossed however many miles to get there.Also that solid fence is frequently undermined as it only extends into the earth a few inches in many places .
Thus there are holes dug under it at a frequency of at least one per mile or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless things have changed significantly in the past 3 weeks, there is still a huge stretch of unfenced, unmarked open border across the Yuha desert west of Calexico, and in the vicinity of Tecate peak.
Granted, most of it runs through gulleys and over hilly terrain, but this is seldom a problem for people who have already crossed however many miles to get there.Also that solid fence is frequently undermined as it only extends into the earth a few inches in many places.
Thus there are holes dug under it at a frequency of at least one per mile or so.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510946</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31530914</id>
	<title>Yeah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268916780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... highex landmines WOULD'VE been a MUCH BETTER choice...</p><p>woohoo, random Mexican infiltration and violence.. Yay!</p><p>Fuck the little shits.  Build a REAL fucking WALL mounted with AUTOMATED defences ffs!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... highex landmines WOULD 'VE been a MUCH BETTER choice...woohoo , random Mexican infiltration and violence.. Yay ! Fuck the little shits .
Build a REAL fucking WALL mounted with AUTOMATED defences ffs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... highex landmines WOULD'VE been a MUCH BETTER choice...woohoo, random Mexican infiltration and violence.. Yay!Fuck the little shits.
Build a REAL fucking WALL mounted with AUTOMATED defences ffs!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510572</id>
	<title>Re:This project was not about building a fence</title>
	<author>molarmass192</author>
	<datestamp>1268848380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"... there will be other mufti-<b>million</b> dollar projects coming up that will"<br>
<br>
Millions are soooooo 1990s, chump change is now measured in billions, and apparently, if you want people to even notice, you have to spend in trillions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" ... there will be other mufti-million dollar projects coming up that will " Millions are soooooo 1990s , chump change is now measured in billions , and apparently , if you want people to even notice , you have to spend in trillions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"... there will be other mufti-million dollar projects coming up that will"

Millions are soooooo 1990s, chump change is now measured in billions, and apparently, if you want people to even notice, you have to spend in trillions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510366</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31532602</id>
	<title>Re:It's sad that $1.5 billion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268930280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's sad that $1.5 billion had to be spent to try and protect honest God-fearing Americans from poor Mexicans who wanted to pick our fruit for a <b>fair</b> wage.</p></div></blockquote><p>There, fixed that for ya.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's sad that $ 1.5 billion had to be spent to try and protect honest God-fearing Americans from poor Mexicans who wanted to pick our fruit for a fair wage.There , fixed that for ya .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's sad that $1.5 billion had to be spent to try and protect honest God-fearing Americans from poor Mexicans who wanted to pick our fruit for a fair wage.There, fixed that for ya.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31511754</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31512274</id>
	<title>Hmmm</title>
	<author>jav1231</author>
	<datestamp>1268853060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about a real wall. The Great Wall of China has lasted.<br> <br>The Berlin Wall worked, albeit for evil purposes. There's no reason such simple applications couldn't be applied except for the fact it's the government doing it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about a real wall .
The Great Wall of China has lasted .
The Berlin Wall worked , albeit for evil purposes .
There 's no reason such simple applications could n't be applied except for the fact it 's the government doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about a real wall.
The Great Wall of China has lasted.
The Berlin Wall worked, albeit for evil purposes.
There's no reason such simple applications couldn't be applied except for the fact it's the government doing it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510992</id>
	<title>Re:This project was not about building a fence</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1268849520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The concept and goal is completely feasible. It has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with private companies that live within there own world where everyone is just as likely to stab someone else in the back as they are to actually try to progress a project.</p><p>Had in been a government design, and implemented in a manner where companies bid for pieces to complete, instead of the whole thing, it could be successful.</p><p>I mean it's not really needed and does nothing but pander to irrational fear, but the fence is possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The concept and goal is completely feasible .
It has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with private companies that live within there own world where everyone is just as likely to stab someone else in the back as they are to actually try to progress a project.Had in been a government design , and implemented in a manner where companies bid for pieces to complete , instead of the whole thing , it could be successful.I mean it 's not really needed and does nothing but pander to irrational fear , but the fence is possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The concept and goal is completely feasible.
It has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with private companies that live within there own world where everyone is just as likely to stab someone else in the back as they are to actually try to progress a project.Had in been a government design, and implemented in a manner where companies bid for pieces to complete, instead of the whole thing, it could be successful.I mean it's not really needed and does nothing but pander to irrational fear, but the fence is possible.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510366</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31536294</id>
	<title>About fences</title>
	<author>jandersen</author>
	<datestamp>1269010680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is the use of a virtual purveyor of stolen goods, any way? Or are we talking about ebay?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the use of a virtual purveyor of stolen goods , any way ?
Or are we talking about ebay ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the use of a virtual purveyor of stolen goods, any way?
Or are we talking about ebay?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31511988</id>
	<title>Re:This project was not about building a fence</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268852220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Lining the pockets</p></div><p>
Stop using that phrase, it adds a 'spin' quality to whatever you're saying.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lining the pockets Stop using that phrase , it adds a 'spin ' quality to whatever you 're saying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lining the pockets
Stop using that phrase, it adds a 'spin' quality to whatever you're saying.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510366</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510904</id>
	<title>This is yet another example</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1268849280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>of how large private companies only beholden to a few shareholders can not reliably build large complex systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>of how large private companies only beholden to a few shareholders can not reliably build large complex systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>of how large private companies only beholden to a few shareholders can not reliably build large complex systems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31520640</id>
	<title>Re:It's sad that $1.5 billion</title>
	<author>Macrat</author>
	<datestamp>1268912820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And the drug trade?</htmltext>
<tokenext>And the drug trade ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the drug trade?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510922</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31511754</id>
	<title>Re:It's sad that $1.5 billion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268851500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's sad that $1.5 billion had to be spent to try and protect honest God-fearing Americans from poor Mexicans who wanted to pick our fruit for <strong>below</strong> minimum wage.</p></div><p>There, fixed that for ya.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's sad that $ 1.5 billion had to be spent to try and protect honest God-fearing Americans from poor Mexicans who wanted to pick our fruit for below minimum wage.There , fixed that for ya .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's sad that $1.5 billion had to be spent to try and protect honest God-fearing Americans from poor Mexicans who wanted to pick our fruit for below minimum wage.There, fixed that for ya.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510922</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31517078</id>
	<title>Re:This project was not about building a fence</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268829600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But who wants to live in a swamp?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But who wants to live in a swamp ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But who wants to live in a swamp?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510546</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31511172</id>
	<title>They teek ar jeebs!</title>
	<author>kikito</author>
	<datestamp>1268850060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Derka derrrr!</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Derka derrrr ! http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = brj2UkUPjCI [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Derka derrrr!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31519434</id>
	<title>Re:Why didn't the virtual fence work?</title>
	<author>Degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1268851200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>60 Minutes did a story on this system a few months ago.  As best I recollect:</p><p>1) The initial plan was vague.  If you don't have an actual plan, then you won't ever have to call call the project done.  This is good for Boeing, bad for the people paying the bills.</p><p>2) They finally decided that the plan would be that computers and cameras should surveil the area between towers, and, alert the people running the dispatch center of suspicious activity.  "Suspicious activity" = people in the area.  No person would be walking in these areas unless they were trying to cross the border illegally.</p><p>3) Boeing designed and delivered the initial system.  THEN sat down the dispatch people at the consoles.  Who promptly said it sucked and was worthless.  You heard that right: Boeing did NOT bother to bring in the users who would use the system during the design phase.  Also, it was here that the 'discovery' was made that the optics and cameras were WAY more expensive than Boeing originally said (because a web-cam is one thing, and camera that can resolve a clear picture at two miles is another).  Of course, better optics means (a lot) more data (which the networks couldn't handle), larger storage requirements for the DVR, etc.</p><p>4) Re-work time.</p><p>5) Finally the trial tests.  Oops.  The heat seeking portion doesn't work in the heat of a desert.  The radar kept triggering on wind-blown bushes and the occasional Rocket J. Squirrel.  The radar didn't work for people sized targets in the rain.  If you are a group of bad guys and see that that the camera is swiveling toward you, freeze for a bit (drop to your hands and knees and pretend to be the authorized Bullwinkle J. Moose).  The camera will move on.  The electronics equipment couldn't handle the heat.  The electronics equipment couldn't handle the dust.  The dust clogged gear was on the wrong end of very tall / difficult to climb towers.</p><p>6) In-truck computers.  The Border Patrol was supposed to chase down people being guided by laptops hooked back to base.  Except it is essentially impossible to drive around in the (extremely bumpy) desert AND work a computer at the same time.</p><p>Did I mention that a single World-War One style trench subverts the whole thing?</p><p>Nine towers and 28 miles in, the problems seem insurmountable.  Boeing keeps saying they could deliver a system that works though.  Just throw gobs more billion at it....  It's a 2,000 mile border.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>60 Minutes did a story on this system a few months ago .
As best I recollect : 1 ) The initial plan was vague .
If you do n't have an actual plan , then you wo n't ever have to call call the project done .
This is good for Boeing , bad for the people paying the bills.2 ) They finally decided that the plan would be that computers and cameras should surveil the area between towers , and , alert the people running the dispatch center of suspicious activity .
" Suspicious activity " = people in the area .
No person would be walking in these areas unless they were trying to cross the border illegally.3 ) Boeing designed and delivered the initial system .
THEN sat down the dispatch people at the consoles .
Who promptly said it sucked and was worthless .
You heard that right : Boeing did NOT bother to bring in the users who would use the system during the design phase .
Also , it was here that the 'discovery ' was made that the optics and cameras were WAY more expensive than Boeing originally said ( because a web-cam is one thing , and camera that can resolve a clear picture at two miles is another ) .
Of course , better optics means ( a lot ) more data ( which the networks could n't handle ) , larger storage requirements for the DVR , etc.4 ) Re-work time.5 ) Finally the trial tests .
Oops. The heat seeking portion does n't work in the heat of a desert .
The radar kept triggering on wind-blown bushes and the occasional Rocket J. Squirrel. The radar did n't work for people sized targets in the rain .
If you are a group of bad guys and see that that the camera is swiveling toward you , freeze for a bit ( drop to your hands and knees and pretend to be the authorized Bullwinkle J. Moose ) . The camera will move on .
The electronics equipment could n't handle the heat .
The electronics equipment could n't handle the dust .
The dust clogged gear was on the wrong end of very tall / difficult to climb towers.6 ) In-truck computers .
The Border Patrol was supposed to chase down people being guided by laptops hooked back to base .
Except it is essentially impossible to drive around in the ( extremely bumpy ) desert AND work a computer at the same time.Did I mention that a single World-War One style trench subverts the whole thing ? Nine towers and 28 miles in , the problems seem insurmountable .
Boeing keeps saying they could deliver a system that works though .
Just throw gobs more billion at it.... It 's a 2,000 mile border .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>60 Minutes did a story on this system a few months ago.
As best I recollect:1) The initial plan was vague.
If you don't have an actual plan, then you won't ever have to call call the project done.
This is good for Boeing, bad for the people paying the bills.2) They finally decided that the plan would be that computers and cameras should surveil the area between towers, and, alert the people running the dispatch center of suspicious activity.
"Suspicious activity" = people in the area.
No person would be walking in these areas unless they were trying to cross the border illegally.3) Boeing designed and delivered the initial system.
THEN sat down the dispatch people at the consoles.
Who promptly said it sucked and was worthless.
You heard that right: Boeing did NOT bother to bring in the users who would use the system during the design phase.
Also, it was here that the 'discovery' was made that the optics and cameras were WAY more expensive than Boeing originally said (because a web-cam is one thing, and camera that can resolve a clear picture at two miles is another).
Of course, better optics means (a lot) more data (which the networks couldn't handle), larger storage requirements for the DVR, etc.4) Re-work time.5) Finally the trial tests.
Oops.  The heat seeking portion doesn't work in the heat of a desert.
The radar kept triggering on wind-blown bushes and the occasional Rocket J. Squirrel.  The radar didn't work for people sized targets in the rain.
If you are a group of bad guys and see that that the camera is swiveling toward you, freeze for a bit (drop to your hands and knees and pretend to be the authorized Bullwinkle J. Moose).  The camera will move on.
The electronics equipment couldn't handle the heat.
The electronics equipment couldn't handle the dust.
The dust clogged gear was on the wrong end of very tall / difficult to climb towers.6) In-truck computers.
The Border Patrol was supposed to chase down people being guided by laptops hooked back to base.
Except it is essentially impossible to drive around in the (extremely bumpy) desert AND work a computer at the same time.Did I mention that a single World-War One style trench subverts the whole thing?Nine towers and 28 miles in, the problems seem insurmountable.
Boeing keeps saying they could deliver a system that works though.
Just throw gobs more billion at it....  It's a 2,000 mile border.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31512584</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31515492</id>
	<title>This fence is costing too much money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268821020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't we just hire some cheap Mexican labor to patrol the border ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't we just hire some cheap Mexican labor to patrol the border ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't we just hire some cheap Mexican labor to patrol the border ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510990</id>
	<title>Re:This project was not about building a fence</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1268849520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;Government and corporations simply ignored that and moved forward, That's a difference between "them" and "us."</p><p>Actually corporations would have enough sense to realize, "This won't work," and cancel the project ahead of time to save themselves cash.  But since it was government paying the bill, the corporation didn't give a frak about wasting gov't money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; Government and corporations simply ignored that and moved forward , That 's a difference between " them " and " us .
" Actually corporations would have enough sense to realize , " This wo n't work , " and cancel the project ahead of time to save themselves cash .
But since it was government paying the bill , the corporation did n't give a frak about wasting gov't money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;Government and corporations simply ignored that and moved forward, That's a difference between "them" and "us.
"Actually corporations would have enough sense to realize, "This won't work," and cancel the project ahead of time to save themselves cash.
But since it was government paying the bill, the corporation didn't give a frak about wasting gov't money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31513988</id>
	<title>Wrong.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268858760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The project was about catching drug traffickers and wanted felons and making sure that illegal immigrants who don't fall in to those two categories don't die while crossing in or out of the U.S.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The project was about catching drug traffickers and wanted felons and making sure that illegal immigrants who do n't fall in to those two categories do n't die while crossing in or out of the U.S .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The project was about catching drug traffickers and wanted felons and making sure that illegal immigrants who don't fall in to those two categories don't die while crossing in or out of the U.S.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510366</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510734</id>
	<title>Yes! We saved the future!</title>
	<author>GNUALMAFUERTE</author>
	<datestamp>1268848800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Skynet is dead!</p><p>What is that? Oh, Sbinet! Nevermind then. Keep running, Connor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Skynet is dead ! What is that ?
Oh , Sbinet !
Nevermind then .
Keep running , Connor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Skynet is dead!What is that?
Oh, Sbinet!
Nevermind then.
Keep running, Connor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31513544</id>
	<title>before the discovery it doesn't work</title>
	<author>KharmaWidow</author>
	<datestamp>1268857080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is how I feel about just about every government bail out program and social service. Nearly 100 yrs and people still think throwing money at an issue and painting over the symptoms some how fixes the problem. Most of the time the actual problem is never addressed.</p><p>In this case there are a few easy measures to end the illegal immigration problem<br>- arrest the illegal immigrants, document them, and deport them<br>- arrest the people who hire illegal immigrants and charge them huge fines<br>- eliminate citizenship via birth and make it necessary for everyone to naturalize</p><p>As we see with via this recession, remove the profit from the individual, and the employer, and illegal immigration dwindles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is how I feel about just about every government bail out program and social service .
Nearly 100 yrs and people still think throwing money at an issue and painting over the symptoms some how fixes the problem .
Most of the time the actual problem is never addressed.In this case there are a few easy measures to end the illegal immigration problem- arrest the illegal immigrants , document them , and deport them- arrest the people who hire illegal immigrants and charge them huge fines- eliminate citizenship via birth and make it necessary for everyone to naturalizeAs we see with via this recession , remove the profit from the individual , and the employer , and illegal immigration dwindles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is how I feel about just about every government bail out program and social service.
Nearly 100 yrs and people still think throwing money at an issue and painting over the symptoms some how fixes the problem.
Most of the time the actual problem is never addressed.In this case there are a few easy measures to end the illegal immigration problem- arrest the illegal immigrants, document them, and deport them- arrest the people who hire illegal immigrants and charge them huge fines- eliminate citizenship via birth and make it necessary for everyone to naturalizeAs we see with via this recession, remove the profit from the individual, and the employer, and illegal immigration dwindles.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510792</id>
	<title>what software did project SBInet utilize ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268848920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Those problems included Boeing's use of <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/27/AR2008022703747.html" title="washingtonpost.com" rel="nofollow">inappropriate commercial software</a> [washingtonpost.com], designed for use by police dispatchers"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Those problems included Boeing 's use of inappropriate commercial software [ washingtonpost.com ] , designed for use by police dispatchers "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Those problems included Boeing's use of inappropriate commercial software [washingtonpost.com], designed for use by police dispatchers"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31516890</id>
	<title>Re:It's sad that $1.5 billion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268828280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know what's also sad? Sad Puppies in the rain.</p><p>Did you have a point or do you enjoy letting people know your emotional state?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know what 's also sad ?
Sad Puppies in the rain.Did you have a point or do you enjoy letting people know your emotional state ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what's also sad?
Sad Puppies in the rain.Did you have a point or do you enjoy letting people know your emotional state?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510546</id>
	<title>Re:This project was not about building a fence</title>
	<author>ColdWetDog</author>
	<datestamp>1268848320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Boeing built a 28-mile test section in the Southern Arizona desert. It didn't work. The company regrouped, redesigned and redeployed one set of towers near the first set. It is building another section right now. The entire border was supposed to be covered a year ago, but after three years -- and $1.4 billion -- the system is still full of bugs.</p></div></blockquote><p>

They just need to try a couple more times.  Use makes master - even prehistoric Britons knew what was up:</p><blockquote><div><p>When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.</p></div>

</blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Boeing built a 28-mile test section in the Southern Arizona desert .
It did n't work .
The company regrouped , redesigned and redeployed one set of towers near the first set .
It is building another section right now .
The entire border was supposed to be covered a year ago , but after three years -- and $ 1.4 billion -- the system is still full of bugs .
They just need to try a couple more times .
Use makes master - even prehistoric Britons knew what was up : When I first came here , this was all swamp .
Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp , but I built in all the same , just to show them .
It sank into the swamp .
So I built a second one .
That sank into the swamp .
So I built a third .
That burned down , fell over , then sank into the swamp .
But the fourth one stayed up .
And that 's what you 're going to get , Lad , the strongest castle in all of England .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Boeing built a 28-mile test section in the Southern Arizona desert.
It didn't work.
The company regrouped, redesigned and redeployed one set of towers near the first set.
It is building another section right now.
The entire border was supposed to be covered a year ago, but after three years -- and $1.4 billion -- the system is still full of bugs.
They just need to try a couple more times.
Use makes master - even prehistoric Britons knew what was up:When I first came here, this was all swamp.
Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them.
It sank into the swamp.
So I built a second one.
That sank into the swamp.
So I built a third.
That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp.
But the fourth one stayed up.
And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.


	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31514152</id>
	<title>Independent Mexican States on US Soil</title>
	<author>Nesa2</author>
	<datestamp>1268859420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It would be interesting to see in 20-30 years of free flowing immigration from Mexico, if Mexicans would take on arms and declare independent states/countries within US... ?

Europe is full of these scenarios where at one point immigration from neighboring countries was at a free flow, so people from poor countries populated richer in search of jobs, or land, or affordable living... and later wars ware/are being broken and land disputed.  This is how Albanians from Albania got independent state of Kosovo away from Serbia by uncontrolled immigration basically.

I'm all for helping those less fortunate, but if there are rules then they need to apply to all, not some.  If you are going to let in 500,000 Mexican in and give them legal status, then you should also let 500,000 South Africans in and give them legal status, or have quotas that are regulated to keep good balance of ethnic diversity... RULES are important, and enforcing them is VERY IMPORTANT...

If anyone cares, I have a virtual fence I wanna sell.  It costs 10K, and is totally virtual - in every sense.  I can make it as big or small as you want it, it only requires imagination on your part.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be interesting to see in 20-30 years of free flowing immigration from Mexico , if Mexicans would take on arms and declare independent states/countries within US... ? Europe is full of these scenarios where at one point immigration from neighboring countries was at a free flow , so people from poor countries populated richer in search of jobs , or land , or affordable living... and later wars ware/are being broken and land disputed .
This is how Albanians from Albania got independent state of Kosovo away from Serbia by uncontrolled immigration basically .
I 'm all for helping those less fortunate , but if there are rules then they need to apply to all , not some .
If you are going to let in 500,000 Mexican in and give them legal status , then you should also let 500,000 South Africans in and give them legal status , or have quotas that are regulated to keep good balance of ethnic diversity... RULES are important , and enforcing them is VERY IMPORTANT.. . If anyone cares , I have a virtual fence I wan na sell .
It costs 10K , and is totally virtual - in every sense .
I can make it as big or small as you want it , it only requires imagination on your part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be interesting to see in 20-30 years of free flowing immigration from Mexico, if Mexicans would take on arms and declare independent states/countries within US... ?

Europe is full of these scenarios where at one point immigration from neighboring countries was at a free flow, so people from poor countries populated richer in search of jobs, or land, or affordable living... and later wars ware/are being broken and land disputed.
This is how Albanians from Albania got independent state of Kosovo away from Serbia by uncontrolled immigration basically.
I'm all for helping those less fortunate, but if there are rules then they need to apply to all, not some.
If you are going to let in 500,000 Mexican in and give them legal status, then you should also let 500,000 South Africans in and give them legal status, or have quotas that are regulated to keep good balance of ethnic diversity... RULES are important, and enforcing them is VERY IMPORTANT...

If anyone cares, I have a virtual fence I wanna sell.
It costs 10K, and is totally virtual - in every sense.
I can make it as big or small as you want it, it only requires imagination on your part.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31512466</id>
	<title>Re:It's sad that $1.5 billion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268853540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And to kill us and kill our children via murder and DUIs, and to rape, rob, suck billions out of the American economy, not assimilate, run hospitals and schools into the ground, already be signed up for social benefits before they even get here, have advocacy groups get them special perks Americans can't get,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...shall I go on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And to kill us and kill our children via murder and DUIs , and to rape , rob , suck billions out of the American economy , not assimilate , run hospitals and schools into the ground , already be signed up for social benefits before they even get here , have advocacy groups get them special perks Americans ca n't get , ...shall I go on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And to kill us and kill our children via murder and DUIs, and to rape, rob, suck billions out of the American economy, not assimilate, run hospitals and schools into the ground, already be signed up for social benefits before they even get here, have advocacy groups get them special perks Americans can't get, ...shall I go on?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510486</id>
	<title>New solution is..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268848140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.. there are no jobs in US even for unemployed but willing to work US citizens, so illegal immigrants don't have reason to come to US anymore. If they do, they might regret doing so.</p><p>This is not going to change soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.. there are no jobs in US even for unemployed but willing to work US citizens , so illegal immigrants do n't have reason to come to US anymore .
If they do , they might regret doing so.This is not going to change soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. there are no jobs in US even for unemployed but willing to work US citizens, so illegal immigrants don't have reason to come to US anymore.
If they do, they might regret doing so.This is not going to change soon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31511984</id>
	<title>Make Mexico build the wall.</title>
	<author>tekrat</author>
	<datestamp>1268852160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's see: There are no jobs in the USA, people are losing their houses... The richest person in the world is a Mexican... Therefore, I think Americans should be racing to get into Mexico, the land of opportunity! I'll bet if we had a mass migration of poor Americans into Mexico for their jobs and free health care, they'd build a real wall in no time.</p><p>Either that, or let's just declare Mexico a terrorist state. I mean, with all the drug-war related deaths on the border, it's a good bet more Americans have died in Mexico due to the drug wars than were killed on 9/11...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see : There are no jobs in the USA , people are losing their houses... The richest person in the world is a Mexican... Therefore , I think Americans should be racing to get into Mexico , the land of opportunity !
I 'll bet if we had a mass migration of poor Americans into Mexico for their jobs and free health care , they 'd build a real wall in no time.Either that , or let 's just declare Mexico a terrorist state .
I mean , with all the drug-war related deaths on the border , it 's a good bet more Americans have died in Mexico due to the drug wars than were killed on 9/11.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see: There are no jobs in the USA, people are losing their houses... The richest person in the world is a Mexican... Therefore, I think Americans should be racing to get into Mexico, the land of opportunity!
I'll bet if we had a mass migration of poor Americans into Mexico for their jobs and free health care, they'd build a real wall in no time.Either that, or let's just declare Mexico a terrorist state.
I mean, with all the drug-war related deaths on the border, it's a good bet more Americans have died in Mexico due to the drug wars than were killed on 9/11...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31514282</id>
	<title>Taxpayers Demand a Refund</title>
	<author>realsilly</author>
	<datestamp>1268816700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm all for private companies bidding on Govt. contracts, but frankly as a tax paying citizen I'm freaking tired of wasted tax dollars on projects that die.  While most projects within Corporate America fail to go to completion this trend needs to NOT happen with tax payer monies.</p><p>If this project failed, why did it take well over 1 billion dollars to freaking figure this out.  I personnally believe that the companies that bid on these contracts have an obligation to make the project work on time and within budget and should have a penality stake in it if the project fails to work and go to completion within the budget and time frame.</p><p>If Americans could get man to the moon in 10 years, what the heck is our problem these days?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm all for private companies bidding on Govt .
contracts , but frankly as a tax paying citizen I 'm freaking tired of wasted tax dollars on projects that die .
While most projects within Corporate America fail to go to completion this trend needs to NOT happen with tax payer monies.If this project failed , why did it take well over 1 billion dollars to freaking figure this out .
I personnally believe that the companies that bid on these contracts have an obligation to make the project work on time and within budget and should have a penality stake in it if the project fails to work and go to completion within the budget and time frame.If Americans could get man to the moon in 10 years , what the heck is our problem these days ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm all for private companies bidding on Govt.
contracts, but frankly as a tax paying citizen I'm freaking tired of wasted tax dollars on projects that die.
While most projects within Corporate America fail to go to completion this trend needs to NOT happen with tax payer monies.If this project failed, why did it take well over 1 billion dollars to freaking figure this out.
I personnally believe that the companies that bid on these contracts have an obligation to make the project work on time and within budget and should have a penality stake in it if the project fails to work and go to completion within the budget and time frame.If Americans could get man to the moon in 10 years, what the heck is our problem these days?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31522500</id>
	<title>Re:Too much sensing, not enough firepower</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268925660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>fence vs 5 cent wire cutters...who's gonna win...</p><p>people are dumb</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>fence vs 5 cent wire cutters...who 's gon na win...people are dumb</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fence vs 5 cent wire cutters...who's gonna win...people are dumb</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31519636</id>
	<title>Viewed from another angle...</title>
	<author>unitron</author>
	<datestamp>1268854860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's sad that $1.4 billion had to be spent on the project before the discovery that this poorly conceived idea would not work.</p></div><p>Or perhaps it's sad that they were able to conceal the fact that it wouldn't work until we had been screwed out of $1.4 billion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's sad that $ 1.4 billion had to be spent on the project before the discovery that this poorly conceived idea would not work.Or perhaps it 's sad that they were able to conceal the fact that it would n't work until we had been screwed out of $ 1.4 billion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's sad that $1.4 billion had to be spent on the project before the discovery that this poorly conceived idea would not work.Or perhaps it's sad that they were able to conceal the fact that it wouldn't work until we had been screwed out of $1.4 billion.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31514324</id>
	<title>Funny seeing this after just reading PopSci</title>
	<author>Roman Coder</author>
	<datestamp>1268816880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The April 2010 issue of Popular Science has an article called "The All-Seeing Border" (pages 30-31), which talks about this border fence tech.  Does not mention that it does not work at all.  Makes me wonder if PopSci investigates what they are publishing or just throws crap on their pages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The April 2010 issue of Popular Science has an article called " The All-Seeing Border " ( pages 30-31 ) , which talks about this border fence tech .
Does not mention that it does not work at all .
Makes me wonder if PopSci investigates what they are publishing or just throws crap on their pages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The April 2010 issue of Popular Science has an article called "The All-Seeing Border" (pages 30-31), which talks about this border fence tech.
Does not mention that it does not work at all.
Makes me wonder if PopSci investigates what they are publishing or just throws crap on their pages.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31511448</id>
	<title>A better way...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268850660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Install non-lethal ice-bullet remotely controlled rail guns in DMZ areas along the boarder.<br>Ice-bullets minimize the litter and enable a way to create more ammo with relative ease.<br>Allow internet gamers to purchase time on the guns.  Monies collected will be used to enhance the gaming interface, better detect potential violations and route gamers appropriately and maintain the hardware.  Raid parties could be organized and purchase improved tools used to first snare the NPC prior to pelting it with an AOE.<br>Gaming interface can represent moving objects as zombies and gamers can move up in ranks from citizen to minuteman to ranger based on varied metrics.</p><p>I'm sure there's lots of room to improve the idea, but it wouldn't take long before no sane individual would take on bored gamers....those gamers might even be citizens of MX!</p><p>Positive outsourcing of labor and solving a govt problem with capitalism!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Install non-lethal ice-bullet remotely controlled rail guns in DMZ areas along the boarder.Ice-bullets minimize the litter and enable a way to create more ammo with relative ease.Allow internet gamers to purchase time on the guns .
Monies collected will be used to enhance the gaming interface , better detect potential violations and route gamers appropriately and maintain the hardware .
Raid parties could be organized and purchase improved tools used to first snare the NPC prior to pelting it with an AOE.Gaming interface can represent moving objects as zombies and gamers can move up in ranks from citizen to minuteman to ranger based on varied metrics.I 'm sure there 's lots of room to improve the idea , but it would n't take long before no sane individual would take on bored gamers....those gamers might even be citizens of MX ! Positive outsourcing of labor and solving a govt problem with capitalism !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Install non-lethal ice-bullet remotely controlled rail guns in DMZ areas along the boarder.Ice-bullets minimize the litter and enable a way to create more ammo with relative ease.Allow internet gamers to purchase time on the guns.
Monies collected will be used to enhance the gaming interface, better detect potential violations and route gamers appropriately and maintain the hardware.
Raid parties could be organized and purchase improved tools used to first snare the NPC prior to pelting it with an AOE.Gaming interface can represent moving objects as zombies and gamers can move up in ranks from citizen to minuteman to ranger based on varied metrics.I'm sure there's lots of room to improve the idea, but it wouldn't take long before no sane individual would take on bored gamers....those gamers might even be citizens of MX!Positive outsourcing of labor and solving a govt problem with capitalism!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31515462</id>
	<title>Re:It's sad that $1.5 billion</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1268820900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It was also about terrorism fears.  And you must admit, it's weird how we've sealed up air travel right down to the smallest bodily crevice... OR you can simply walk into the country with usually no questions asked.  What's even weirder is cases like the shoe bomber, and more recent underwear bomber - they keep trying and failing to hit us right where our security is strongest.  Why?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was also about terrorism fears .
And you must admit , it 's weird how we 've sealed up air travel right down to the smallest bodily crevice... OR you can simply walk into the country with usually no questions asked .
What 's even weirder is cases like the shoe bomber , and more recent underwear bomber - they keep trying and failing to hit us right where our security is strongest .
Why ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was also about terrorism fears.
And you must admit, it's weird how we've sealed up air travel right down to the smallest bodily crevice... OR you can simply walk into the country with usually no questions asked.
What's even weirder is cases like the shoe bomber, and more recent underwear bomber - they keep trying and failing to hit us right where our security is strongest.
Why?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510484</id>
	<title>lllegal immigration is only an issue when....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268848140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the economy isn't doing well. It's an easy distraction for the government to use so the people don't realize how much of a role the government is playing in screwing up the economy in the first place. Honestly, most of those illegal Mexicans are harder working than many Americans at the poverty level. I still don't see Americans out of work lining up to pick grapes, or mow lawns for the minimum wage, do you?</p><p>No one talked about illegal immigration in the 90s when things were great. A healthy economy makes illegal immigration a non-issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the economy is n't doing well .
It 's an easy distraction for the government to use so the people do n't realize how much of a role the government is playing in screwing up the economy in the first place .
Honestly , most of those illegal Mexicans are harder working than many Americans at the poverty level .
I still do n't see Americans out of work lining up to pick grapes , or mow lawns for the minimum wage , do you ? No one talked about illegal immigration in the 90s when things were great .
A healthy economy makes illegal immigration a non-issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the economy isn't doing well.
It's an easy distraction for the government to use so the people don't realize how much of a role the government is playing in screwing up the economy in the first place.
Honestly, most of those illegal Mexicans are harder working than many Americans at the poverty level.
I still don't see Americans out of work lining up to pick grapes, or mow lawns for the minimum wage, do you?No one talked about illegal immigration in the 90s when things were great.
A healthy economy makes illegal immigration a non-issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31511226</id>
	<title>Time to go with the fallback plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268850120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Annexing Mexico.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Annexing Mexico .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Annexing Mexico.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31512100</id>
	<title>Re:It's sad that $1.5 billion</title>
	<author>alta</author>
	<datestamp>1268852580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, those mexicans are fine...</p><p>It's the la raza members, and the ones who want to show how they are man enough by getting as drunk as possible and then seeing how fast they can drive.  Oh, and not to forget the ones around here lately who are fond of HIT and RUN BEFORE THE I.N.S. arrests me!  Yeah, I know there's no INS any more... And with the sorry 'sanctuary cities' if they were caught murdering babies, I'm sure they'd be released in fear of the ACLU retribution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , those mexicans are fine...It 's the la raza members , and the ones who want to show how they are man enough by getting as drunk as possible and then seeing how fast they can drive .
Oh , and not to forget the ones around here lately who are fond of HIT and RUN BEFORE THE I.N.S .
arrests me !
Yeah , I know there 's no INS any more... And with the sorry 'sanctuary cities ' if they were caught murdering babies , I 'm sure they 'd be released in fear of the ACLU retribution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, those mexicans are fine...It's the la raza members, and the ones who want to show how they are man enough by getting as drunk as possible and then seeing how fast they can drive.
Oh, and not to forget the ones around here lately who are fond of HIT and RUN BEFORE THE I.N.S.
arrests me!
Yeah, I know there's no INS any more... And with the sorry 'sanctuary cities' if they were caught murdering babies, I'm sure they'd be released in fear of the ACLU retribution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510730</id>
	<title>Maybe it's because...</title>
	<author>Dogtanian</author>
	<datestamp>1268848740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...as a UK citizen I'm not paying for this, but my first thought was that for a product (potentially) of that scale, a $1.4bn write-off doesn't sound all *that* much. It's only a small fraction of the $12bn+ wasted on a disastrous IT project by the NHS in England.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...as a UK citizen I 'm not paying for this , but my first thought was that for a product ( potentially ) of that scale , a $ 1.4bn write-off does n't sound all * that * much .
It 's only a small fraction of the $ 12bn + wasted on a disastrous IT project by the NHS in England .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...as a UK citizen I'm not paying for this, but my first thought was that for a product (potentially) of that scale, a $1.4bn write-off doesn't sound all *that* much.
It's only a small fraction of the $12bn+ wasted on a disastrous IT project by the NHS in England.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31512114</id>
	<title>Well of course it didn't work!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268852580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It doesn't have death lasers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't have death lasers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't have death lasers!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510366</id>
	<title>This project was not about building a fence</title>
	<author>Morris Thorpe</author>
	<datestamp>1268847840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This project was about two things:<br>1) Lining the pockets of a lot of people<br>2) Making those who fear illegal immigration feel better</p><p>Goal 1 was *very* successful. Goal 2, not as much but...there will be other mufti-million dollar projects coming up that will.</p><p>Seriously, did anyone really think this would work? Of course not. Plain common sense would immediately tell you this was destined for failure. Government and corporations simply ignored that and moved forward, That's a difference between "them" and "us."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This project was about two things : 1 ) Lining the pockets of a lot of people2 ) Making those who fear illegal immigration feel betterGoal 1 was * very * successful .
Goal 2 , not as much but...there will be other mufti-million dollar projects coming up that will.Seriously , did anyone really think this would work ?
Of course not .
Plain common sense would immediately tell you this was destined for failure .
Government and corporations simply ignored that and moved forward , That 's a difference between " them " and " us .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This project was about two things:1) Lining the pockets of a lot of people2) Making those who fear illegal immigration feel betterGoal 1 was *very* successful.
Goal 2, not as much but...there will be other mufti-million dollar projects coming up that will.Seriously, did anyone really think this would work?
Of course not.
Plain common sense would immediately tell you this was destined for failure.
Government and corporations simply ignored that and moved forward, That's a difference between "them" and "us.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510946</id>
	<title>Too much sensing, not enough firepower</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1268849400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
This was all about "sensing".  It didn't actually <i>do</i> anything to stop border crossers.
</p><p>
Multiple fences with a patrol road between them, plus a chain of towers to discourage people cutting the fence, might actually work.  The sections with physical fences are doing their job now.  There's solid fence from the Pacific Ocean to Yuma, AZ., which has pushed crossing attempts into Texas and the desert.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was all about " sensing " .
It did n't actually do anything to stop border crossers .
Multiple fences with a patrol road between them , plus a chain of towers to discourage people cutting the fence , might actually work .
The sections with physical fences are doing their job now .
There 's solid fence from the Pacific Ocean to Yuma , AZ. , which has pushed crossing attempts into Texas and the desert .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
This was all about "sensing".
It didn't actually do anything to stop border crossers.
Multiple fences with a patrol road between them, plus a chain of towers to discourage people cutting the fence, might actually work.
The sections with physical fences are doing their job now.
There's solid fence from the Pacific Ocean to Yuma, AZ., which has pushed crossing attempts into Texas and the desert.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31513022</id>
	<title>WTF, I am Canadian.</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1268855220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK call me a hoser, but WTF is a "virtual fence"?</p><p>I can only parse that together to mean "Not a real fence" or a "fence that doesn't really exist".</p><p>You spent 1.3B on that? You are surprised that it "didn't work"?</p><p>I think I have some interesting projects for you and I am in need of some funding...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK call me a hoser , but WTF is a " virtual fence " ? I can only parse that together to mean " Not a real fence " or a " fence that does n't really exist " .You spent 1.3B on that ?
You are surprised that it " did n't work " ? I think I have some interesting projects for you and I am in need of some funding.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK call me a hoser, but WTF is a "virtual fence"?I can only parse that together to mean "Not a real fence" or a "fence that doesn't really exist".You spent 1.3B on that?
You are surprised that it "didn't work"?I think I have some interesting projects for you and I am in need of some funding...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510922</id>
	<title>It's sad that $1.5 billion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268849340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's sad that $1.5 billion had to be spent to try and protect honest God-fearing Americans from poor Mexicans who wanted to pick our fruit for minimum wage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's sad that $ 1.5 billion had to be spent to try and protect honest God-fearing Americans from poor Mexicans who wanted to pick our fruit for minimum wage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's sad that $1.5 billion had to be spent to try and protect honest God-fearing Americans from poor Mexicans who wanted to pick our fruit for minimum wage.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31516654</id>
	<title>Re:Too much sensing, not enough firepower</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268826660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>pushed crossing attempts into Texas and the desert</p></div><p>Disclaimer: I live in Texas and I co-own several sections of land along the Rio Grande.</p><p>I really like being able to skip stones into Mexico, and I also enjoy being able to paddle my beat up canoe into "international waters," so you're going to have to pay me a <b>very large</b> chunk of money if you want to install a fence that blocks my access to the river.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>pushed crossing attempts into Texas and the desertDisclaimer : I live in Texas and I co-own several sections of land along the Rio Grande.I really like being able to skip stones into Mexico , and I also enjoy being able to paddle my beat up canoe into " international waters , " so you 're going to have to pay me a very large chunk of money if you want to install a fence that blocks my access to the river .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pushed crossing attempts into Texas and the desertDisclaimer: I live in Texas and I co-own several sections of land along the Rio Grande.I really like being able to skip stones into Mexico, and I also enjoy being able to paddle my beat up canoe into "international waters," so you're going to have to pay me a very large chunk of money if you want to install a fence that blocks my access to the river.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31512584</id>
	<title>Why didn't the virtual fence work?</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1268853840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After reading through 100 comments on the politics of Mexican immigrant workers, I realized I'm reading a technology blog, and all I wanted to know was why the fence didn't work.  The article doesn't really say.  It says the "fence" is composed of towers with monitoring equipment.  But it doesn't really say what that equipment was supposed to do, or what it failed to do.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"Ninety to 100 percent of all illegal crossers, this camera system was going to identify and characterize this threat,"</p> </div><p>What does that mean?  Was it supposed to magically know who was crossing illegally and who wasn't?  Or identify Mexicans -vs- Americans?  That's silly.  Was it just supposed to detect people, or movement?  Did it fail at doing that?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"It's not a matter of, you know, do you look at the screen and see things?" Stana said. "Yes, you're going to see some things. The question is: Are you going to see things over time? Is it a quality image and is it a reliable image?"</p></div><p>This is still very vague.  It is supposed to "see things over time" - what things? Over what time?  Was it supposed to identify behaviors somehow?</p><p>This whole thing is really vague.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>After reading through 100 comments on the politics of Mexican immigrant workers , I realized I 'm reading a technology blog , and all I wanted to know was why the fence did n't work .
The article does n't really say .
It says the " fence " is composed of towers with monitoring equipment .
But it does n't really say what that equipment was supposed to do , or what it failed to do .
" Ninety to 100 percent of all illegal crossers , this camera system was going to identify and characterize this threat , " What does that mean ?
Was it supposed to magically know who was crossing illegally and who was n't ?
Or identify Mexicans -vs- Americans ?
That 's silly .
Was it just supposed to detect people , or movement ?
Did it fail at doing that ?
" It 's not a matter of , you know , do you look at the screen and see things ?
" Stana said .
" Yes , you 're going to see some things .
The question is : Are you going to see things over time ?
Is it a quality image and is it a reliable image ?
" This is still very vague .
It is supposed to " see things over time " - what things ?
Over what time ?
Was it supposed to identify behaviors somehow ? This whole thing is really vague .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After reading through 100 comments on the politics of Mexican immigrant workers, I realized I'm reading a technology blog, and all I wanted to know was why the fence didn't work.
The article doesn't really say.
It says the "fence" is composed of towers with monitoring equipment.
But it doesn't really say what that equipment was supposed to do, or what it failed to do.
"Ninety to 100 percent of all illegal crossers, this camera system was going to identify and characterize this threat," What does that mean?
Was it supposed to magically know who was crossing illegally and who wasn't?
Or identify Mexicans -vs- Americans?
That's silly.
Was it just supposed to detect people, or movement?
Did it fail at doing that?
"It's not a matter of, you know, do you look at the screen and see things?
" Stana said.
"Yes, you're going to see some things.
The question is: Are you going to see things over time?
Is it a quality image and is it a reliable image?
"This is still very vague.
It is supposed to "see things over time" - what things?
Over what time?
Was it supposed to identify behaviors somehow?This whole thing is really vague.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31512146</id>
	<title>Bingo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268852700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To clarify, regardless of whether a government project succeeds or fails, <i>government wins</i>. Look at the big picture. Failure in government is everywhere, yet still, somehow, the business of government expands in total revenue year after year, and becomes more lucrative for those who control the business. This is because success and failure are merely smokescreens hiding the main goal, which is simply to get that money passing through your hands so you can leverage it for your own personal gain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To clarify , regardless of whether a government project succeeds or fails , government wins .
Look at the big picture .
Failure in government is everywhere , yet still , somehow , the business of government expands in total revenue year after year , and becomes more lucrative for those who control the business .
This is because success and failure are merely smokescreens hiding the main goal , which is simply to get that money passing through your hands so you can leverage it for your own personal gain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To clarify, regardless of whether a government project succeeds or fails, government wins.
Look at the big picture.
Failure in government is everywhere, yet still, somehow, the business of government expands in total revenue year after year, and becomes more lucrative for those who control the business.
This is because success and failure are merely smokescreens hiding the main goal, which is simply to get that money passing through your hands so you can leverage it for your own personal gain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510784</id>
	<title>Top-Down Error</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1268848920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a classic example of Top-Down Error.  Government was approached or approached a few big-players and they all agreed that it would be just peachy.  Reality has a way of spoiling the party often times however.  If they had adopted a more open model such as a bazaar of ideas that could have completed with each other through criticism I'm sure that something else while it also may not have been 100\% effective would have emerged that would have been at least just as good and cost far less.  Government has a fascination with centralization it appears they think it is the way to go, I disagree: I think that decentralized is better for cost, flexibility, and reliability.  I also think that given few players with centralization that it is also effectively a command economy/system.  See how well that has worked in history.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a classic example of Top-Down Error .
Government was approached or approached a few big-players and they all agreed that it would be just peachy .
Reality has a way of spoiling the party often times however .
If they had adopted a more open model such as a bazaar of ideas that could have completed with each other through criticism I 'm sure that something else while it also may not have been 100 \ % effective would have emerged that would have been at least just as good and cost far less .
Government has a fascination with centralization it appears they think it is the way to go , I disagree : I think that decentralized is better for cost , flexibility , and reliability .
I also think that given few players with centralization that it is also effectively a command economy/system .
See how well that has worked in history .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a classic example of Top-Down Error.
Government was approached or approached a few big-players and they all agreed that it would be just peachy.
Reality has a way of spoiling the party often times however.
If they had adopted a more open model such as a bazaar of ideas that could have completed with each other through criticism I'm sure that something else while it also may not have been 100\% effective would have emerged that would have been at least just as good and cost far less.
Government has a fascination with centralization it appears they think it is the way to go, I disagree: I think that decentralized is better for cost, flexibility, and reliability.
I also think that given few players with centralization that it is also effectively a command economy/system.
See how well that has worked in history.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31510014</id>
	<title>$1.4 Billion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268846880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Couldn't that $1.4 billion have been better spent buying Valium for the rampant xenophobes in Congress?  Just trank 'em all out and stop them from worrying about a non-problem.</p><p>The Mexicans who do enter illegally aren't exactly "stealing" great jobs from American citizens.  They're picking crops, cleaning houses, flipping burgers, etc.  The real problem is that our legitimate businesses are legally shipping planeloads of cash overseas for crappy products and services.  Do we really need a million plastic "movie tie-in" figurines to be given away with Happy Meals, or blankets with arms in them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't that $ 1.4 billion have been better spent buying Valium for the rampant xenophobes in Congress ?
Just trank 'em all out and stop them from worrying about a non-problem.The Mexicans who do enter illegally are n't exactly " stealing " great jobs from American citizens .
They 're picking crops , cleaning houses , flipping burgers , etc .
The real problem is that our legitimate businesses are legally shipping planeloads of cash overseas for crappy products and services .
Do we really need a million plastic " movie tie-in " figurines to be given away with Happy Meals , or blankets with arms in them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't that $1.4 billion have been better spent buying Valium for the rampant xenophobes in Congress?
Just trank 'em all out and stop them from worrying about a non-problem.The Mexicans who do enter illegally aren't exactly "stealing" great jobs from American citizens.
They're picking crops, cleaning houses, flipping burgers, etc.
The real problem is that our legitimate businesses are legally shipping planeloads of cash overseas for crappy products and services.
Do we really need a million plastic "movie tie-in" figurines to be given away with Happy Meals, or blankets with arms in them?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_1530258.31529968</id>
	<title>Re:Hmmm</title>
	<author>bobzaguy</author>
	<datestamp>1268911200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Do you know what it would cost to move the China wall over here? I am sure that Boeing could transport it but who could we get to pack it onto the planes?

How about all those border crossers? They are looking for work anyway. This would take dozens of years to take down and ship. Then dozens of years to unpack and put back up.

So for maybe 25-35 years, we would have no border problems. And just think how much sand and stuff it would take to rebuilt the wall.

Well, I want the photo concession and the Tour The New China Great Wall of America concession as well.

Of course we'd probably have to subsidize the looming China Border wars that would happen at about the same time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you know what it would cost to move the China wall over here ?
I am sure that Boeing could transport it but who could we get to pack it onto the planes ?
How about all those border crossers ?
They are looking for work anyway .
This would take dozens of years to take down and ship .
Then dozens of years to unpack and put back up .
So for maybe 25-35 years , we would have no border problems .
And just think how much sand and stuff it would take to rebuilt the wall .
Well , I want the photo concession and the Tour The New China Great Wall of America concession as well .
Of course we 'd probably have to subsidize the looming China Border wars that would happen at about the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Do you know what it would cost to move the China wall over here?
I am sure that Boeing could transport it but who could we get to pack it onto the planes?
How about all those border crossers?
They are looking for work anyway.
This would take dozens of years to take down and ship.
Then dozens of years to unpack and put back up.
So for maybe 25-35 years, we would have no border problems.
And just think how much sand and stuff it would take to rebuilt the wall.
Well, I want the photo concession and the Tour The New China Great Wall of America concession as well.
Of course we'd probably have to subsidize the looming China Border wars that would happen at about the same time.</sentencetext>
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