<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_17_124243</id>
	<title>Toshiba Ends Incandescent Bulb Production After 120 Years</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1268833020000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/" rel="nofollow">angry tapir</a> writes <i>"Toshiba <a href="http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/339900/lights\_incandescent\_bulb\_production\_toshiba/">has stopped production of mass-market incandescent light bulbs</a>, putting an end to a 120-year manufacturing history of the products. The company, which is one of Japan's largest makers of lighting products, had planned to halt production next year but brought up the date by a year. It will now focus on more energy efficient products, including LED (light-emitting diode) lights, which contain a handful of white LEDs and draw a fraction of the power of incandescent bulbs."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>angry tapir writes " Toshiba has stopped production of mass-market incandescent light bulbs , putting an end to a 120-year manufacturing history of the products .
The company , which is one of Japan 's largest makers of lighting products , had planned to halt production next year but brought up the date by a year .
It will now focus on more energy efficient products , including LED ( light-emitting diode ) lights , which contain a handful of white LEDs and draw a fraction of the power of incandescent bulbs .
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<sentencetext>angry tapir writes "Toshiba has stopped production of mass-market incandescent light bulbs, putting an end to a 120-year manufacturing history of the products.
The company, which is one of Japan's largest makers of lighting products, had planned to halt production next year but brought up the date by a year.
It will now focus on more energy efficient products, including LED (light-emitting diode) lights, which contain a handful of white LEDs and draw a fraction of the power of incandescent bulbs.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507712</id>
	<title>LED (light-emitting diode)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268837340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think by now you can stop expanding the LED acronym, especially on slashdot.  Or are you someone who insists on putting devices for light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation on sharks' heads?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think by now you can stop expanding the LED acronym , especially on slashdot .
Or are you someone who insists on putting devices for light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation on sharks ' heads ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think by now you can stop expanding the LED acronym, especially on slashdot.
Or are you someone who insists on putting devices for light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation on sharks' heads?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31509900</id>
	<title>Re:Go, go LED</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268846520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You guys must be blind. Most LED fixtures light up a room with ugly phosphorescent light. It looks like living inside a laptop screen.</p><p>I don't want everything lit with a dim blueish white, or white yellowish blue color. I like full spectrum lighting.</p><p>Ever wonder why those colored bulbs in the 70s were a fad?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You guys must be blind .
Most LED fixtures light up a room with ugly phosphorescent light .
It looks like living inside a laptop screen.I do n't want everything lit with a dim blueish white , or white yellowish blue color .
I like full spectrum lighting.Ever wonder why those colored bulbs in the 70s were a fad ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You guys must be blind.
Most LED fixtures light up a room with ugly phosphorescent light.
It looks like living inside a laptop screen.I don't want everything lit with a dim blueish white, or white yellowish blue color.
I like full spectrum lighting.Ever wonder why those colored bulbs in the 70s were a fad?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31513536</id>
	<title>Re:I love LED lights</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268857080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"And I've been waiting for the tech to get better and cheaper before switching. I will not use fluorescent lights in my home. My eyes are sensitive and they give me a headache, take too long to reach proper brightness, use mercury, and plus the color is off."</p><p>LEDs have all the same faults as fluorescents when it comes to color rendering (in fact, LEDs usually have even worse color rendering than fluorescents - google for color rendering index). The good things that LEDs bring to the table is the lack of mercury and the ability to be switched on and off to one's desire (although fluorescents with warm-start ballasts can do that too, but they have a 1-second startup delay so they can't be used for flashing light signs etc). Fluorescent tubes last up to 100,000 hours too (see Philips and Osram longlife product range for example).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" And I 've been waiting for the tech to get better and cheaper before switching .
I will not use fluorescent lights in my home .
My eyes are sensitive and they give me a headache , take too long to reach proper brightness , use mercury , and plus the color is off .
" LEDs have all the same faults as fluorescents when it comes to color rendering ( in fact , LEDs usually have even worse color rendering than fluorescents - google for color rendering index ) .
The good things that LEDs bring to the table is the lack of mercury and the ability to be switched on and off to one 's desire ( although fluorescents with warm-start ballasts can do that too , but they have a 1-second startup delay so they ca n't be used for flashing light signs etc ) .
Fluorescent tubes last up to 100,000 hours too ( see Philips and Osram longlife product range for example ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"And I've been waiting for the tech to get better and cheaper before switching.
I will not use fluorescent lights in my home.
My eyes are sensitive and they give me a headache, take too long to reach proper brightness, use mercury, and plus the color is off.
"LEDs have all the same faults as fluorescents when it comes to color rendering (in fact, LEDs usually have even worse color rendering than fluorescents - google for color rendering index).
The good things that LEDs bring to the table is the lack of mercury and the ability to be switched on and off to one's desire (although fluorescents with warm-start ballasts can do that too, but they have a 1-second startup delay so they can't be used for flashing light signs etc).
Fluorescent tubes last up to 100,000 hours too (see Philips and Osram longlife product range for example).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507916</id>
	<title>Flicker?</title>
	<author>jones\_supa</author>
	<datestamp>1268838300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you feel that flicker is a problem in LEDs? I suppose most of them are driven with PWM to reduce power consumption. Many times I can subconsciously feel the flicker and wonder whether it's healthy for human in long term. After all it's a light blinking on and off very rapidly. The 20kHz is fine for fluorescents but LEDs dim even faster and might require much higher frequency or even pure DC.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you feel that flicker is a problem in LEDs ?
I suppose most of them are driven with PWM to reduce power consumption .
Many times I can subconsciously feel the flicker and wonder whether it 's healthy for human in long term .
After all it 's a light blinking on and off very rapidly .
The 20kHz is fine for fluorescents but LEDs dim even faster and might require much higher frequency or even pure DC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you feel that flicker is a problem in LEDs?
I suppose most of them are driven with PWM to reduce power consumption.
Many times I can subconsciously feel the flicker and wonder whether it's healthy for human in long term.
After all it's a light blinking on and off very rapidly.
The 20kHz is fine for fluorescents but LEDs dim even faster and might require much higher frequency or even pure DC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507632</id>
	<title>Better to burn our than to fade away</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268837040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least they'll be able to trash their remaining stock without getting mercury all over the goddamn place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least they 'll be able to trash their remaining stock without getting mercury all over the goddamn place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least they'll be able to trash their remaining stock without getting mercury all over the goddamn place.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507646</id>
	<title>Famous phrase....</title>
	<author>GPLDAN</author>
	<datestamp>1268837040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Kids in 2082 studying history:<br> <br> <br>
Teacher: And in 1960, it was John Kennedy who said 'It is better to light a LED than to curse the darkness....'"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Kids in 2082 studying history : Teacher : And in 1960 , it was John Kennedy who said 'It is better to light a LED than to curse the darkness.... ' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kids in 2082 studying history:  
Teacher: And in 1960, it was John Kennedy who said 'It is better to light a LED than to curse the darkness....'"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508336</id>
	<title>Re:I love LED lights</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268840160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm amazed how often I see people say that about fluorescent lights in this day and age. Every single one of those "detriments" (except the use of a minute amount of mercury) hasn't been true for quite some time. At least not it good quality bulbs. Too many Americans seem to have been turned off by old technology or just plain cheap crap - my guess is a lot of people go out and buy the cheapest stuff they can and then swear the whole category off when (surprise!) it performs poorly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm amazed how often I see people say that about fluorescent lights in this day and age .
Every single one of those " detriments " ( except the use of a minute amount of mercury ) has n't been true for quite some time .
At least not it good quality bulbs .
Too many Americans seem to have been turned off by old technology or just plain cheap crap - my guess is a lot of people go out and buy the cheapest stuff they can and then swear the whole category off when ( surprise !
) it performs poorly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm amazed how often I see people say that about fluorescent lights in this day and age.
Every single one of those "detriments" (except the use of a minute amount of mercury) hasn't been true for quite some time.
At least not it good quality bulbs.
Too many Americans seem to have been turned off by old technology or just plain cheap crap - my guess is a lot of people go out and buy the cheapest stuff they can and then swear the whole category off when (surprise!
) it performs poorly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508026</id>
	<title>Losing the war ...</title>
	<author>techstar25</author>
	<datestamp>1268838900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Reportedly, Toshiba just couldn't compete with Sony's new "Blu-Bulb" technology.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reportedly , Toshiba just could n't compete with Sony 's new " Blu-Bulb " technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reportedly, Toshiba just couldn't compete with Sony's new "Blu-Bulb" technology.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508070</id>
	<title>Re:Go, go LED</title>
	<author>JaredOfEuropa</author>
	<datestamp>1268839080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love LED lighting too... when I get good quality bulbs.  Currently, LEDs suffer from the same problems as the early CFL lights.  There are good and bad LED lights on the market, but I've found that buying the more expensive ones or even the better brands is by no means a guarantee of getting a good one.  Right now I will not buy any LED light unless it's a known good one, i.e. I have seen it in action.
<br> <br>
The most common problems that persist in many of the LED bulbs on the market are:<br>
- Less bright than advertised<br>
- "warm" LED light is actually a horrible yellow/green tint<br>
- "white" LED light is an awful cold blue tint.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love LED lighting too... when I get good quality bulbs .
Currently , LEDs suffer from the same problems as the early CFL lights .
There are good and bad LED lights on the market , but I 've found that buying the more expensive ones or even the better brands is by no means a guarantee of getting a good one .
Right now I will not buy any LED light unless it 's a known good one , i.e .
I have seen it in action .
The most common problems that persist in many of the LED bulbs on the market are : - Less bright than advertised - " warm " LED light is actually a horrible yellow/green tint - " white " LED light is an awful cold blue tint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love LED lighting too... when I get good quality bulbs.
Currently, LEDs suffer from the same problems as the early CFL lights.
There are good and bad LED lights on the market, but I've found that buying the more expensive ones or even the better brands is by no means a guarantee of getting a good one.
Right now I will not buy any LED light unless it's a known good one, i.e.
I have seen it in action.
The most common problems that persist in many of the LED bulbs on the market are:
- Less bright than advertised
- "warm" LED light is actually a horrible yellow/green tint
- "white" LED light is an awful cold blue tint.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31516276</id>
	<title>Re:LED (light-emitting diode)</title>
	<author>AK Marc</author>
	<datestamp>1268824560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I stopped past the automatic ATM machine to get cash before headed to the doctor for an HIV virus check to see if I had acquired AIDS syndrome.  I may have gotten it from my SCUBA apparatus.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I stopped past the automatic ATM machine to get cash before headed to the doctor for an HIV virus check to see if I had acquired AIDS syndrome .
I may have gotten it from my SCUBA apparatus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I stopped past the automatic ATM machine to get cash before headed to the doctor for an HIV virus check to see if I had acquired AIDS syndrome.
I may have gotten it from my SCUBA apparatus.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507920</id>
	<title>Re:Efficiency</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268838300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, LEDs cost more money? Oh well, that means people will have to put in a little overtime at work. Or, I know, perhaps ask their boss if they can work on the weekend. Of course, that means driving to work, which puts pollution in the air. But anything to get non-polluting lightbulbs!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , LEDs cost more money ?
Oh well , that means people will have to put in a little overtime at work .
Or , I know , perhaps ask their boss if they can work on the weekend .
Of course , that means driving to work , which puts pollution in the air .
But anything to get non-polluting lightbulbs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, LEDs cost more money?
Oh well, that means people will have to put in a little overtime at work.
Or, I know, perhaps ask their boss if they can work on the weekend.
Of course, that means driving to work, which puts pollution in the air.
But anything to get non-polluting lightbulbs!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31509664</id>
	<title>Some advantages</title>
	<author>c++0xFF</author>
	<datestamp>1268845620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're mostly right, but only because the technology is young.  LEDs have been around for nearly 50 years, but it's only been recently that we've been ramping up the power to general lighting requirements.</p><p>That said, here are the <i>potential</i> advantages over CFL:</p><p>1) <b>Higher efficiency</b>.  Yes, CFLs and LEDs are roughly equivalent right now, but the potential for LEDs is much greater.  As added incentive, heat is a limiting factor for LEDs, so there's more than one motivation to improve efficiency.</p><p>2) <b>Longer life</b>.  This is related to the efficiency, as too much heat decreases life.  Expect life to increase dramatically as time goes on.</p><p>3) <b>Dimming control</b>.  Still in its infancy, but some LED bulbs can be dimmed in the same way as incandescents.  I can't use CFLs in touch lamps for the same reason.</p><p>4) <b>Color control</b>.  Currently sucks, but the technology allows for better control than CFLs, especially when it comes to dimming.</p><p>5) <b>Manufacturing capability</b>.  This is a big unknown, but many are predicting that the price will drop dramatically, just like we've seen with other semiconductor products.  Personally, I think this might take a while since we don't really know what it will take to make bright, color-corrected LED bulbs.</p><p>6) <b>Form factor</b>.  LEDs can conform better to the incandescent form factor.  This advantage is also slightly debatable because of heat controls: liquid cooling and heat sinks are being put on LED bulbs right now<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if that's continues to be the case then the shape of the bulb might be quite odd for some time.  The nature of using a collection of individual lights also places strange limitations on the form factor, which is why flood lighting is one of the early form factors that works well.</p><p>7) <b>Public image</b>.  CFLs have (mostly wrongfully) gotten a bad reputation for bad color quality, flickering, warm-up, and mercury.  It remains to be seen how the public views LEDs, but many of these (except for color, for now) don't apply.</p><p>8) <b>Rugged</b>.  I've saved this one for last.  Incandescent and CFL light bulbs are much more fragile than LED bulbs, which makes shipping them from overseas (where manufacturing costs are lower) much more effective.  It also increases the applications that can use LEDs.</p><p>Notice that most of these are still only theoretical.  Stick with CFLs for now, or expect to pay a lot more for something with few advantages.</p><p>Maybe by the time your CFLs burn out the LED technology will have caught up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're mostly right , but only because the technology is young .
LEDs have been around for nearly 50 years , but it 's only been recently that we 've been ramping up the power to general lighting requirements.That said , here are the potential advantages over CFL : 1 ) Higher efficiency .
Yes , CFLs and LEDs are roughly equivalent right now , but the potential for LEDs is much greater .
As added incentive , heat is a limiting factor for LEDs , so there 's more than one motivation to improve efficiency.2 ) Longer life .
This is related to the efficiency , as too much heat decreases life .
Expect life to increase dramatically as time goes on.3 ) Dimming control .
Still in its infancy , but some LED bulbs can be dimmed in the same way as incandescents .
I ca n't use CFLs in touch lamps for the same reason.4 ) Color control .
Currently sucks , but the technology allows for better control than CFLs , especially when it comes to dimming.5 ) Manufacturing capability .
This is a big unknown , but many are predicting that the price will drop dramatically , just like we 've seen with other semiconductor products .
Personally , I think this might take a while since we do n't really know what it will take to make bright , color-corrected LED bulbs.6 ) Form factor .
LEDs can conform better to the incandescent form factor .
This advantage is also slightly debatable because of heat controls : liquid cooling and heat sinks are being put on LED bulbs right now ... if that 's continues to be the case then the shape of the bulb might be quite odd for some time .
The nature of using a collection of individual lights also places strange limitations on the form factor , which is why flood lighting is one of the early form factors that works well.7 ) Public image .
CFLs have ( mostly wrongfully ) gotten a bad reputation for bad color quality , flickering , warm-up , and mercury .
It remains to be seen how the public views LEDs , but many of these ( except for color , for now ) do n't apply.8 ) Rugged .
I 've saved this one for last .
Incandescent and CFL light bulbs are much more fragile than LED bulbs , which makes shipping them from overseas ( where manufacturing costs are lower ) much more effective .
It also increases the applications that can use LEDs.Notice that most of these are still only theoretical .
Stick with CFLs for now , or expect to pay a lot more for something with few advantages.Maybe by the time your CFLs burn out the LED technology will have caught up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're mostly right, but only because the technology is young.
LEDs have been around for nearly 50 years, but it's only been recently that we've been ramping up the power to general lighting requirements.That said, here are the potential advantages over CFL:1) Higher efficiency.
Yes, CFLs and LEDs are roughly equivalent right now, but the potential for LEDs is much greater.
As added incentive, heat is a limiting factor for LEDs, so there's more than one motivation to improve efficiency.2) Longer life.
This is related to the efficiency, as too much heat decreases life.
Expect life to increase dramatically as time goes on.3) Dimming control.
Still in its infancy, but some LED bulbs can be dimmed in the same way as incandescents.
I can't use CFLs in touch lamps for the same reason.4) Color control.
Currently sucks, but the technology allows for better control than CFLs, especially when it comes to dimming.5) Manufacturing capability.
This is a big unknown, but many are predicting that the price will drop dramatically, just like we've seen with other semiconductor products.
Personally, I think this might take a while since we don't really know what it will take to make bright, color-corrected LED bulbs.6) Form factor.
LEDs can conform better to the incandescent form factor.
This advantage is also slightly debatable because of heat controls: liquid cooling and heat sinks are being put on LED bulbs right now ... if that's continues to be the case then the shape of the bulb might be quite odd for some time.
The nature of using a collection of individual lights also places strange limitations on the form factor, which is why flood lighting is one of the early form factors that works well.7) Public image.
CFLs have (mostly wrongfully) gotten a bad reputation for bad color quality, flickering, warm-up, and mercury.
It remains to be seen how the public views LEDs, but many of these (except for color, for now) don't apply.8) Rugged.
I've saved this one for last.
Incandescent and CFL light bulbs are much more fragile than LED bulbs, which makes shipping them from overseas (where manufacturing costs are lower) much more effective.
It also increases the applications that can use LEDs.Notice that most of these are still only theoretical.
Stick with CFLs for now, or expect to pay a lot more for something with few advantages.Maybe by the time your CFLs burn out the LED technology will have caught up.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Go, go LED</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1268839920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Philips A60 Master LED is dimmable. Might be 230v only though</htmltext>
<tokenext>Philips A60 Master LED is dimmable .
Might be 230v only though</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Philips A60 Master LED is dimmable.
Might be 230v only though</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:LED (light-emitting diode)</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1268841540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just be glad they didn't say LED diode...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just be glad they did n't say LED diode.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just be glad they didn't say LED diode...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31509822</id>
	<title>try reading under it</title>
	<author>whitroth</author>
	<datestamp>1268846160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LED flashlights are great. But for indoor lighting? Have any of you tried reading a book (you remember them, on dead trees) under them? I've used a commuter bus that's put in LEDs, and it's *dreadful*, bluish, eyestrain city.</p><p>And none of the compact fluorescents I've seen have the warm color of incandescent. *bleah* Time to stock up on bulbs....</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; mark</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LED flashlights are great .
But for indoor lighting ?
Have any of you tried reading a book ( you remember them , on dead trees ) under them ?
I 've used a commuter bus that 's put in LEDs , and it 's * dreadful * , bluish , eyestrain city.And none of the compact fluorescents I 've seen have the warm color of incandescent .
* bleah * Time to stock up on bulbs... .                 mark</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LED flashlights are great.
But for indoor lighting?
Have any of you tried reading a book (you remember them, on dead trees) under them?
I've used a commuter bus that's put in LEDs, and it's *dreadful*, bluish, eyestrain city.And none of the compact fluorescents I've seen have the warm color of incandescent.
*bleah* Time to stock up on bulbs....
                mark</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508650</id>
	<title>Re:Flicker?</title>
	<author>scorp1us</author>
	<datestamp>1268841360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think flicker is the problem I think its the temperature. They have a narrow frequency range. The PWM control method has been used for years, and is in use on automotive tail lights. I think its more of a question of how the duty cycle is set. PWM also lets the element cool (yes, LEDs do generate heat) Maybe what you need is a multiple led arrangement with alternating LEDs activation so that it looks more uniform?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think flicker is the problem I think its the temperature .
They have a narrow frequency range .
The PWM control method has been used for years , and is in use on automotive tail lights .
I think its more of a question of how the duty cycle is set .
PWM also lets the element cool ( yes , LEDs do generate heat ) Maybe what you need is a multiple led arrangement with alternating LEDs activation so that it looks more uniform ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think flicker is the problem I think its the temperature.
They have a narrow frequency range.
The PWM control method has been used for years, and is in use on automotive tail lights.
I think its more of a question of how the duty cycle is set.
PWM also lets the element cool (yes, LEDs do generate heat) Maybe what you need is a multiple led arrangement with alternating LEDs activation so that it looks more uniform?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507916</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508432</id>
	<title>Re:Go, go LED</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1268840520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have dimmers, then CFL's are a no go.  The "dimmable" CFL's go from about 80\% - 100\%, which sucks.  LED's are wonderful in a dimmer.  I've tested one, and loved it, but it was $120 for one that fit in my recessed can light, and I have about 12 of those recessed can lights in my house.  I'll have to wait till they really drop in price!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have dimmers , then CFL 's are a no go .
The " dimmable " CFL 's go from about 80 \ % - 100 \ % , which sucks .
LED 's are wonderful in a dimmer .
I 've tested one , and loved it , but it was $ 120 for one that fit in my recessed can light , and I have about 12 of those recessed can lights in my house .
I 'll have to wait till they really drop in price !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have dimmers, then CFL's are a no go.
The "dimmable" CFL's go from about 80\% - 100\%, which sucks.
LED's are wonderful in a dimmer.
I've tested one, and loved it, but it was $120 for one that fit in my recessed can light, and I have about 12 of those recessed can lights in my house.
I'll have to wait till they really drop in price!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508020</id>
	<title>Energy saving bulbs and their lack of purpose..</title>
	<author>HopefulIntern</author>
	<datestamp>1268838900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My whole house is fitted with "energy saving lightbulbs". I hate them. Turning them on makes no difference to leaving them off. Whomever invented these pieces of crap should have just sold me an empty box, it saves even more energy, and I dont notice much of a difference.

Incandescent bulbs are no longer being sold in the UK AFAIK. If more people feel the way I do I might open a black market trading floor for "old style" bulbs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My whole house is fitted with " energy saving lightbulbs " .
I hate them .
Turning them on makes no difference to leaving them off .
Whomever invented these pieces of crap should have just sold me an empty box , it saves even more energy , and I dont notice much of a difference .
Incandescent bulbs are no longer being sold in the UK AFAIK .
If more people feel the way I do I might open a black market trading floor for " old style " bulbs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My whole house is fitted with "energy saving lightbulbs".
I hate them.
Turning them on makes no difference to leaving them off.
Whomever invented these pieces of crap should have just sold me an empty box, it saves even more energy, and I dont notice much of a difference.
Incandescent bulbs are no longer being sold in the UK AFAIK.
If more people feel the way I do I might open a black market trading floor for "old style" bulbs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508258</id>
	<title>Re:Efficiency</title>
	<author>K. S. Kyosuke</author>
	<datestamp>1268839800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That use much more power and materials to manufacture than incandescent bulbs.</p></div><p>Numbers and links to the respective studies, please.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That use much more power and materials to manufacture than incandescent bulbs.Numbers and links to the respective studies , please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That use much more power and materials to manufacture than incandescent bulbs.Numbers and links to the respective studies, please.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31509776</id>
	<title>Re:Energy saving bulbs and their lack of purpose..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268845980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or... OR... (channeling Barney Stinson) we could save the drama for your mama and you could go buy decent CFL bulbs.  Get the right color temp, get high CRI (personally I love Sylvania blubs for this) and then get over yourself.  A two cent incandescent will have a lousy appearance and a short life, just like a 50 cent CFL will.  Open your wallet just a little farther and you will find bulbs that are wildly efficient and meet your lighting needs to a T.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or... OR... ( channeling Barney Stinson ) we could save the drama for your mama and you could go buy decent CFL bulbs .
Get the right color temp , get high CRI ( personally I love Sylvania blubs for this ) and then get over yourself .
A two cent incandescent will have a lousy appearance and a short life , just like a 50 cent CFL will .
Open your wallet just a little farther and you will find bulbs that are wildly efficient and meet your lighting needs to a T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or... OR... (channeling Barney Stinson) we could save the drama for your mama and you could go buy decent CFL bulbs.
Get the right color temp, get high CRI (personally I love Sylvania blubs for this) and then get over yourself.
A two cent incandescent will have a lousy appearance and a short life, just like a 50 cent CFL will.
Open your wallet just a little farther and you will find bulbs that are wildly efficient and meet your lighting needs to a T.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508020</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31511568</id>
	<title>Re:LED (light-emitting diode)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268851020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But I don't want to be LED astray by assuming acronyms!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But I do n't want to be LED astray by assuming acronyms !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I don't want to be LED astray by assuming acronyms!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507712</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31511808</id>
	<title>CFLs are great</title>
	<author>fatbuckel</author>
	<datestamp>1268851680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love them! My bill has gone down to almost nothing since I started using CFLs like six years ago.I get them shipped to me from here...http://www.yeselectric.com/index.jsp?path=find&amp;ID=,Lamps.and.Bulbs,Compact.Fluorescent
I only had two go bad prematurely in six years!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love them !
My bill has gone down to almost nothing since I started using CFLs like six years ago.I get them shipped to me from here...http : //www.yeselectric.com/index.jsp ? path = find&amp;ID = ,Lamps.and.Bulbs,Compact.Fluorescent I only had two go bad prematurely in six years !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love them!
My bill has gone down to almost nothing since I started using CFLs like six years ago.I get them shipped to me from here...http://www.yeselectric.com/index.jsp?path=find&amp;ID=,Lamps.and.Bulbs,Compact.Fluorescent
I only had two go bad prematurely in six years!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31511396</id>
	<title>Bright Lights</title>
	<author>GerryHattrick</author>
	<datestamp>1268850540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thank goodness for Hungary. How soon do you think the Greenie-Gauleiters will close them down?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank goodness for Hungary .
How soon do you think the Greenie-Gauleiters will close them down ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank goodness for Hungary.
How soon do you think the Greenie-Gauleiters will close them down?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508538</id>
	<title>Re:Go, go LED</title>
	<author>N Monkey</author>
	<datestamp>1268840940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Are they making dimmable LED lights yet?</p></div><p>A quick <a href="http://www.litebulbs.co.uk/category/190/philips-master-led-dimming-led-light-bulbs.aspx" title="litebulbs.co.uk">search turned up this</a> [litebulbs.co.uk]. I'd imagine there are other makes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are they making dimmable LED lights yet ? A quick search turned up this [ litebulbs.co.uk ] .
I 'd imagine there are other makes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are they making dimmable LED lights yet?A quick search turned up this [litebulbs.co.uk].
I'd imagine there are other makes.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507736</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31509600</id>
	<title>Re:LED (light-emitting diode)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268845380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Carcharodon carcharias, to be more precise....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Carcharodon carcharias , to be more precise... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Carcharodon carcharias, to be more precise....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507712</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508968</id>
	<title>Re:Energy saving bulbs and their lack of purpose..</title>
	<author>Tim C</author>
	<datestamp>1268842800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Incandescent bulbs are no longer being sold in the UK AFAIK.</i></p><p>No;  100W incandescents are no longer available here, other wattage ratings are still widely sold. (True, it's probably only a matter of time before they go too)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Incandescent bulbs are no longer being sold in the UK AFAIK.No ; 100W incandescents are no longer available here , other wattage ratings are still widely sold .
( True , it 's probably only a matter of time before they go too )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Incandescent bulbs are no longer being sold in the UK AFAIK.No;  100W incandescents are no longer available here, other wattage ratings are still widely sold.
(True, it's probably only a matter of time before they go too)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508020</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31510840</id>
	<title>Re:LED (light-emitting diode)</title>
	<author>bkr1\_2k</author>
	<datestamp>1268849040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>pedantic DICK.  Neither initialism, nor acronym, but appropriate nonetheless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>pedantic DICK .
Neither initialism , nor acronym , but appropriate nonetheless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pedantic DICK.
Neither initialism, nor acronym, but appropriate nonetheless.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508692</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31512314</id>
	<title>Re:Flicker?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268853180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LEDs on AC power are sinfully painful to look at. Like waving your hand in front of a CRT television.</p><p>DC power is nice and smooth. Then it's just a matter of the nasty color (for 'white' light replacement).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LEDs on AC power are sinfully painful to look at .
Like waving your hand in front of a CRT television.DC power is nice and smooth .
Then it 's just a matter of the nasty color ( for 'white ' light replacement ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LEDs on AC power are sinfully painful to look at.
Like waving your hand in front of a CRT television.DC power is nice and smooth.
Then it's just a matter of the nasty color (for 'white' light replacement).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507916</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31511772</id>
	<title>Re:Bad News for Photophiles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268851560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All light is both "quantum dots" (photons) and a wave.  All at the same time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All light is both " quantum dots " ( photons ) and a wave .
All at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All light is both "quantum dots" (photons) and a wave.
All at the same time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508284</id>
	<title>They're a good idea, but:</title>
	<author>fluffernutter</author>
	<datestamp>1268839920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe it is because I am in Canada but we have spent at least a couple hundred dollars on various bulbs and have yet to find one that is as bright.  I just haven't been impressed.. I would estimate the CFLs I have found are about the same as our other fixtures on three-quarters dim.  We keep the CFLs in that room anyway, but every time I walk into it and turn the lights on I have to double-check by looking at the fixture that the lights turned on.

Also, what has come of the concern that CFLs omit more UV then incandescent bulbs?  One of my daughters has an autoimmune disease which makes UV very dangerous for her.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it is because I am in Canada but we have spent at least a couple hundred dollars on various bulbs and have yet to find one that is as bright .
I just have n't been impressed.. I would estimate the CFLs I have found are about the same as our other fixtures on three-quarters dim .
We keep the CFLs in that room anyway , but every time I walk into it and turn the lights on I have to double-check by looking at the fixture that the lights turned on .
Also , what has come of the concern that CFLs omit more UV then incandescent bulbs ?
One of my daughters has an autoimmune disease which makes UV very dangerous for her .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it is because I am in Canada but we have spent at least a couple hundred dollars on various bulbs and have yet to find one that is as bright.
I just haven't been impressed.. I would estimate the CFLs I have found are about the same as our other fixtures on three-quarters dim.
We keep the CFLs in that room anyway, but every time I walk into it and turn the lights on I have to double-check by looking at the fixture that the lights turned on.
Also, what has come of the concern that CFLs omit more UV then incandescent bulbs?
One of my daughters has an autoimmune disease which makes UV very dangerous for her.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508620</id>
	<title>ez bake</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268841240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but... how will I use my ez bake oven?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but... how will I use my ez bake oven ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but... how will I use my ez bake oven?
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508574</id>
	<title>Re:Energy saving bulbs and their lack of purpose..</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1268841060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&lt;font color="green"&gt;</p><p><div class="quote"><p>My whole house is fitted with "energy saving lightbulbs". I hate them. Turning them on makes no difference to leaving them off. Whomever invented these pieces of crap should have just sold me an empty box, it saves even more energy, and I dont notice much of a difference.</p><p>Incandescent bulbs are no longer being sold in the UK AFAIK. If more people feel the way I do I might open a black market trading floor for "old style" bulbs.</p></div><p>&lt;/font&gt;</p><p>FTFY.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My whole house is fitted with " energy saving lightbulbs " .
I hate them .
Turning them on makes no difference to leaving them off .
Whomever invented these pieces of crap should have just sold me an empty box , it saves even more energy , and I dont notice much of a difference.Incandescent bulbs are no longer being sold in the UK AFAIK .
If more people feel the way I do I might open a black market trading floor for " old style " bulbs.FTFY .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My whole house is fitted with "energy saving lightbulbs".
I hate them.
Turning them on makes no difference to leaving them off.
Whomever invented these pieces of crap should have just sold me an empty box, it saves even more energy, and I dont notice much of a difference.Incandescent bulbs are no longer being sold in the UK AFAIK.
If more people feel the way I do I might open a black market trading floor for "old style" bulbs.FTFY.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508054</id>
	<title>Toshiba is just following</title>
	<author>damn\_registrars</author>
	<datestamp>1268839020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>General Electric stopped their product (at least in the US) of incandescent bulbs around a year ago.  That story (which was not covered in slashdot as best I can tell) was probably more significant for the slashdot readers in North America - I know I still have quite a few GE incandescent bulbs in my house.</htmltext>
<tokenext>General Electric stopped their product ( at least in the US ) of incandescent bulbs around a year ago .
That story ( which was not covered in slashdot as best I can tell ) was probably more significant for the slashdot readers in North America - I know I still have quite a few GE incandescent bulbs in my house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>General Electric stopped their product (at least in the US) of incandescent bulbs around a year ago.
That story (which was not covered in slashdot as best I can tell) was probably more significant for the slashdot readers in North America - I know I still have quite a few GE incandescent bulbs in my house.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31509744</id>
	<title>Re:LED (light-emitting diode)</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268845920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pff, that&rsquo;s so last millennium!</p><p>Nowadays we use <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maser" title="wikipedia.org">matter amplification by stimulated emission of radiation</a> [wikipedia.org] on sharks&rsquo; heads!<br>Think about it! Interfering waves of matter, amplifying each other! If that isn&rsquo;t cool, then what is?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pff , that    s so last millennium ! Nowadays we use matter amplification by stimulated emission of radiation [ wikipedia.org ] on sharks    heads ! Think about it !
Interfering waves of matter , amplifying each other !
If that isn    t cool , then what is ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pff, that’s so last millennium!Nowadays we use matter amplification by stimulated emission of radiation [wikipedia.org] on sharks’ heads!Think about it!
Interfering waves of matter, amplifying each other!
If that isn’t cool, then what is?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31509108</id>
	<title>Re:Flicker?</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1268843340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Move the "suspect" light source rapidly. If you see a series of images instead of a continuous line, it's flickering. Our eyes are inert enough to be unable to consciously register flicker of an unmoving light source, but the same inertia allows us to notice separate discrete flashes of quickly moving light source.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Move the " suspect " light source rapidly .
If you see a series of images instead of a continuous line , it 's flickering .
Our eyes are inert enough to be unable to consciously register flicker of an unmoving light source , but the same inertia allows us to notice separate discrete flashes of quickly moving light source .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Move the "suspect" light source rapidly.
If you see a series of images instead of a continuous line, it's flickering.
Our eyes are inert enough to be unable to consciously register flicker of an unmoving light source, but the same inertia allows us to notice separate discrete flashes of quickly moving light source.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508344</id>
	<title>Re:Energy saving bulbs and their lack of purpose..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268840220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Turning them on makes no difference to leaving them off.</p><p>Huh?  I tend to leave mine on because they only draw about 11w.  And after they warm up, they're brighter.</p><p>I don't get "banning" incandescents, though.  There are places like bathrooms where you need the instant-on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Turning them on makes no difference to leaving them off.Huh ?
I tend to leave mine on because they only draw about 11w .
And after they warm up , they 're brighter.I do n't get " banning " incandescents , though .
There are places like bathrooms where you need the instant-on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Turning them on makes no difference to leaving them off.Huh?
I tend to leave mine on because they only draw about 11w.
And after they warm up, they're brighter.I don't get "banning" incandescents, though.
There are places like bathrooms where you need the instant-on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31511410</id>
	<title>Home Automation and CFLs</title>
	<author>davegravy</author>
	<datestamp>1268850600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*IF* you are good about turning out lights and only using those in the room you are in, lights account for a small fraction of most people's total household consumption.</p><p>I'm using Linuxmce with motion detection combined with Bluetooth proximity sensors to turn lights on and off for me via ZWave in my home. The ZWave dimmers/switches really don't get along with CFLs (even the "dimmable ones") - so I'm sticking with good old tungsten filament.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* IF * you are good about turning out lights and only using those in the room you are in , lights account for a small fraction of most people 's total household consumption.I 'm using Linuxmce with motion detection combined with Bluetooth proximity sensors to turn lights on and off for me via ZWave in my home .
The ZWave dimmers/switches really do n't get along with CFLs ( even the " dimmable ones " ) - so I 'm sticking with good old tungsten filament .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*IF* you are good about turning out lights and only using those in the room you are in, lights account for a small fraction of most people's total household consumption.I'm using Linuxmce with motion detection combined with Bluetooth proximity sensors to turn lights on and off for me via ZWave in my home.
The ZWave dimmers/switches really don't get along with CFLs (even the "dimmable ones") - so I'm sticking with good old tungsten filament.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507662</id>
	<title>Efficiency</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268837160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It will now focus on more energy efficient products, including LED (light-emitting diode) lights, which contain a handful of white LEDs and draw a fraction of the power of incandescent bulbs.</p></div><p>That use much more power and materials to manufacture than incandescent bulbs.</p><p>I just love corporations using global stewardship to cover up apparent profit motives.<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sarcasm</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It will now focus on more energy efficient products , including LED ( light-emitting diode ) lights , which contain a handful of white LEDs and draw a fraction of the power of incandescent bulbs.That use much more power and materials to manufacture than incandescent bulbs.I just love corporations using global stewardship to cover up apparent profit motives .
/sarcasm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will now focus on more energy efficient products, including LED (light-emitting diode) lights, which contain a handful of white LEDs and draw a fraction of the power of incandescent bulbs.That use much more power and materials to manufacture than incandescent bulbs.I just love corporations using global stewardship to cover up apparent profit motives.
/sarcasm
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508606</id>
	<title>Re:Flicker?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268841180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dimmable LEDs are indeed run with PWM, but unlike with other "flickering" light sources, it's not your eyes that create the illusion of dimmed light, it's actually the LEDs. LEDs don't respond<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/instantly/ to changes in current, there's a very slight power factor to it. Coupled with the current limiting resistor, the end result is basically a lowpass on the PWM, resulting in less average current and a rather constant output rate. This is, of course, assuming it's running off a high enough frequency (which it damn well should). So no, there won't be any health effects, because the pulsing isn't carried through the light. But if you're concerned with audio-frequency pulsing light, I should probably warn you that your<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/eyes/ have a similar non-instant reaction to changing brightness. The eye has no refresh rate, it's "interrupt driven" if you will. Once you start flashing light faster than your rods and cones can reset themselves, there's no way that you can sense that flicker. I don't know the numbers off hand, but I'm sure this is in the tens of kilohertz range, if not less.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dimmable LEDs are indeed run with PWM , but unlike with other " flickering " light sources , it 's not your eyes that create the illusion of dimmed light , it 's actually the LEDs .
LEDs do n't respond /instantly/ to changes in current , there 's a very slight power factor to it .
Coupled with the current limiting resistor , the end result is basically a lowpass on the PWM , resulting in less average current and a rather constant output rate .
This is , of course , assuming it 's running off a high enough frequency ( which it damn well should ) .
So no , there wo n't be any health effects , because the pulsing is n't carried through the light .
But if you 're concerned with audio-frequency pulsing light , I should probably warn you that your /eyes/ have a similar non-instant reaction to changing brightness .
The eye has no refresh rate , it 's " interrupt driven " if you will .
Once you start flashing light faster than your rods and cones can reset themselves , there 's no way that you can sense that flicker .
I do n't know the numbers off hand , but I 'm sure this is in the tens of kilohertz range , if not less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dimmable LEDs are indeed run with PWM, but unlike with other "flickering" light sources, it's not your eyes that create the illusion of dimmed light, it's actually the LEDs.
LEDs don't respond /instantly/ to changes in current, there's a very slight power factor to it.
Coupled with the current limiting resistor, the end result is basically a lowpass on the PWM, resulting in less average current and a rather constant output rate.
This is, of course, assuming it's running off a high enough frequency (which it damn well should).
So no, there won't be any health effects, because the pulsing isn't carried through the light.
But if you're concerned with audio-frequency pulsing light, I should probably warn you that your /eyes/ have a similar non-instant reaction to changing brightness.
The eye has no refresh rate, it's "interrupt driven" if you will.
Once you start flashing light faster than your rods and cones can reset themselves, there's no way that you can sense that flicker.
I don't know the numbers off hand, but I'm sure this is in the tens of kilohertz range, if not less.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508100</id>
	<title>Do what I do...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268839320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and buy some candles. The flickering may bother some people, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and buy some candles .
The flickering may bother some people , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and buy some candles.
The flickering may bother some people, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507952</id>
	<title>Re:Go, go LED</title>
	<author>Mashdar</author>
	<datestamp>1268838540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>LED is a bunch of hype with very few advantages over fluorescents. They are not much more efficient, and while they have advantages if you have extremely tight beam requirements (ie for LEED outdoor purposes), they cost so much more than fluorescents that no one with a normal budget should even be considering. The best trait of LEDs is how small they are, which is not usefull in typical home and office lighting (but is for task lighting, flashlights, etc). LED is a very powerful world in today's faux-green marketplace, so the LEDs-are-great myth will live on.<br> <br>

There is a reason why LED lighting products are always compared to incandescent for ROI purposes. LED to CFL is not impressive at all. Maybe a 30 year ROI for the same lumens output. And if you try to go the cheap LED route, they will not be properly heat-sinked and you will end up with very dim LEDs in no time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>LED is a bunch of hype with very few advantages over fluorescents .
They are not much more efficient , and while they have advantages if you have extremely tight beam requirements ( ie for LEED outdoor purposes ) , they cost so much more than fluorescents that no one with a normal budget should even be considering .
The best trait of LEDs is how small they are , which is not usefull in typical home and office lighting ( but is for task lighting , flashlights , etc ) .
LED is a very powerful world in today 's faux-green marketplace , so the LEDs-are-great myth will live on .
There is a reason why LED lighting products are always compared to incandescent for ROI purposes .
LED to CFL is not impressive at all .
Maybe a 30 year ROI for the same lumens output .
And if you try to go the cheap LED route , they will not be properly heat-sinked and you will end up with very dim LEDs in no time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LED is a bunch of hype with very few advantages over fluorescents.
They are not much more efficient, and while they have advantages if you have extremely tight beam requirements (ie for LEED outdoor purposes), they cost so much more than fluorescents that no one with a normal budget should even be considering.
The best trait of LEDs is how small they are, which is not usefull in typical home and office lighting (but is for task lighting, flashlights, etc).
LED is a very powerful world in today's faux-green marketplace, so the LEDs-are-great myth will live on.
There is a reason why LED lighting products are always compared to incandescent for ROI purposes.
LED to CFL is not impressive at all.
Maybe a 30 year ROI for the same lumens output.
And if you try to go the cheap LED route, they will not be properly heat-sinked and you will end up with very dim LEDs in no time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31509228</id>
	<title>LED in Space</title>
	<author>NCamero</author>
	<datestamp>1268843880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I, for one welcome our new fluorescent and LED masters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I , for one welcome our new fluorescent and LED masters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I, for one welcome our new fluorescent and LED masters.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507892</id>
	<title>LEDs can't be DIMMED Barry White rolling in GRAVE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268838180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What to do when love is in the air, but all there is are those DAMNED BRIGHT LEDs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What to do when love is in the air , but all there is are those DAMNED BRIGHT LEDs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What to do when love is in the air, but all there is are those DAMNED BRIGHT LEDs?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31510736</id>
	<title>Re:I love LED lights</title>
	<author>Taibhsear</author>
	<datestamp>1268848800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, you can see the lights flickering?!</p></div><p>Where exactly did you see that in my post?...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>(those headaches couldn't be related to over-illumination, improper mixing of color temperatures, of course)</p></div><p>And that refutes my argument how exactly?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I can only see the 'too long to reach proper brightness' problem rarely being a problem.</p> </div><p>Until you fall down a flight of stairs because of it.  (this has happened to me on several occasions, and no I'm not a clutz.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>You can get fluorescent bulbs in a giant variety of color temperatures...just like incandescent bulbs. The claim that 'the color is off' is foolish, you just didn't choose the right bulb for your tastes.</p></div><p>Well I'll give you that one, but I didn't chose any of them, these are lights I've encountered at work and family and friends' houses. All the ones that I've encountered have not looked right.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Oh , you can see the lights flickering ?
! Where exactly did you see that in my post ? .. .
( those headaches could n't be related to over-illumination , improper mixing of color temperatures , of course ) And that refutes my argument how exactly ? I can only see the 'too long to reach proper brightness ' problem rarely being a problem .
Until you fall down a flight of stairs because of it .
( this has happened to me on several occasions , and no I 'm not a clutz .
) You can get fluorescent bulbs in a giant variety of color temperatures...just like incandescent bulbs .
The claim that 'the color is off ' is foolish , you just did n't choose the right bulb for your tastes.Well I 'll give you that one , but I did n't chose any of them , these are lights I 've encountered at work and family and friends ' houses .
All the ones that I 've encountered have not looked right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, you can see the lights flickering?
!Where exactly did you see that in my post?...
(those headaches couldn't be related to over-illumination, improper mixing of color temperatures, of course)And that refutes my argument how exactly?I can only see the 'too long to reach proper brightness' problem rarely being a problem.
Until you fall down a flight of stairs because of it.
(this has happened to me on several occasions, and no I'm not a clutz.
)You can get fluorescent bulbs in a giant variety of color temperatures...just like incandescent bulbs.
The claim that 'the color is off' is foolish, you just didn't choose the right bulb for your tastes.Well I'll give you that one, but I didn't chose any of them, these are lights I've encountered at work and family and friends' houses.
All the ones that I've encountered have not looked right.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31511406</id>
	<title>Monument</title>
	<author>i ate my neighbour</author>
	<datestamp>1268850600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I loved the coffin shaped monument for incandescent lamp, presented in Eindhoven Cemetery, Netherlands. I'm not sure where it is currently now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I loved the coffin shaped monument for incandescent lamp , presented in Eindhoven Cemetery , Netherlands .
I 'm not sure where it is currently now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I loved the coffin shaped monument for incandescent lamp, presented in Eindhoven Cemetery, Netherlands.
I'm not sure where it is currently now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508006</id>
	<title>Re:Efficiency</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1268838840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that power and materials per lightbulb or are the numbers adjusted to account for the fact that fluorescent lights last a heck of a lot longer than incandescent ones?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that power and materials per lightbulb or are the numbers adjusted to account for the fact that fluorescent lights last a heck of a lot longer than incandescent ones ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that power and materials per lightbulb or are the numbers adjusted to account for the fact that fluorescent lights last a heck of a lot longer than incandescent ones?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31509046</id>
	<title>Re:LEDs can't be DIMMED Barry White rolling in GRA</title>
	<author>aaron alderman</author>
	<datestamp>1268843100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lose some weight so you look good naked?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lose some weight so you look good naked ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lose some weight so you look good naked?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508692</id>
	<title>Re:LED (light-emitting diode)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268841600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless you pronounce "LED" like "lead", it's an initialism, not an acronym.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless you pronounce " LED " like " lead " , it 's an initialism , not an acronym .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless you pronounce "LED" like "lead", it's an initialism, not an acronym.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507928</id>
	<title>Re:Go, go LED</title>
	<author>homey1337</author>
	<datestamp>1268838360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(And, unlike incandescent and CFLs, they're not particularly fragile).</p></div><p>Amen to that; I dropped two LED lights from 7ft onto a concrete floor and they bounced... and then worked.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( And , unlike incandescent and CFLs , they 're not particularly fragile ) .Amen to that ; I dropped two LED lights from 7ft onto a concrete floor and they bounced... and then worked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(And, unlike incandescent and CFLs, they're not particularly fragile).Amen to that; I dropped two LED lights from 7ft onto a concrete floor and they bounced... and then worked.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31511562</id>
	<title>Re:Go, go LED</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1268851020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No way will a 1.5W LED replace a 50W halogen.  12W to 15W would be closer to the mark.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No way will a 1.5W LED replace a 50W halogen .
12W to 15W would be closer to the mark .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No way will a 1.5W LED replace a 50W halogen.
12W to 15W would be closer to the mark.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508184</id>
	<title>Thanks /.</title>
	<author>trapnest</author>
	<datestamp>1268839560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wasn't sure what LED stood for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was n't sure what LED stood for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wasn't sure what LED stood for.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507634</id>
	<title>Go, go LED</title>
	<author>Geoffrey.landis</author>
	<datestamp>1268837040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Excellent!  Glad to see that they're moving into LED lighting; I love LED lights. I've been testing out several of the early model LED lights in my house, and they have been working great-- low power requirement, long life.  And the technology has been getting better very rapidly.</p><p>(And, unlike incandescent and CFLs, they're not particularly fragile).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Excellent !
Glad to see that they 're moving into LED lighting ; I love LED lights .
I 've been testing out several of the early model LED lights in my house , and they have been working great-- low power requirement , long life .
And the technology has been getting better very rapidly .
( And , unlike incandescent and CFLs , they 're not particularly fragile ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excellent!
Glad to see that they're moving into LED lighting; I love LED lights.
I've been testing out several of the early model LED lights in my house, and they have been working great-- low power requirement, long life.
And the technology has been getting better very rapidly.
(And, unlike incandescent and CFLs, they're not particularly fragile).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508082</id>
	<title>Re:Go, go LED</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268839200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought some 1.5W LED lights a couple of years ago to replace some 50W halogen lights. They weren't as bright, had a narrower "spot", but they were whiter (which some people don't like). They're also noticeably dimmer now compared to when they were new -- I'm sure they'll last  the 10000 hours (or whatever), but probably at only 25\% of their original brightness. I still use them in my bedroom (where I don't need much light) but I've taken them out of the kitchen.</p><p>Conclusion: spend more than &pound;2 per bulb next time.<br>(The halogen bulbs they replaced were about &pound;1.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought some 1.5W LED lights a couple of years ago to replace some 50W halogen lights .
They were n't as bright , had a narrower " spot " , but they were whiter ( which some people do n't like ) .
They 're also noticeably dimmer now compared to when they were new -- I 'm sure they 'll last the 10000 hours ( or whatever ) , but probably at only 25 \ % of their original brightness .
I still use them in my bedroom ( where I do n't need much light ) but I 've taken them out of the kitchen.Conclusion : spend more than   2 per bulb next time .
( The halogen bulbs they replaced were about   1 .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought some 1.5W LED lights a couple of years ago to replace some 50W halogen lights.
They weren't as bright, had a narrower "spot", but they were whiter (which some people don't like).
They're also noticeably dimmer now compared to when they were new -- I'm sure they'll last  the 10000 hours (or whatever), but probably at only 25\% of their original brightness.
I still use them in my bedroom (where I don't need much light) but I've taken them out of the kitchen.Conclusion: spend more than £2 per bulb next time.
(The halogen bulbs they replaced were about £1.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508410</id>
	<title>Re:I love LED lights</title>
	<author>lemur3</author>
	<datestamp>1268840460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...I will not use fluorescent lights in my home. My eyes are sensitive and they give me a headache, take too long to reach proper brightness, use mercury, and plus the color is off. I'd have switched to LED light, even with the higher prices, if they actually put out enough lumens. The highest I could find only put out the light equivalent of a 10-40W incandescent....</p></div><p>Oh, you can see the lights flickering?! Wow that sure is sensitive! (those headaches couldn't be related to over-illumination, improper mixing of color temperatures, of course)</p><p>I can only see the 'too long to reach proper brightness' problem rarely being a problem. They take at most 5-10 seconds to reach full output these days, and before that point they provide a large amount of illumination... more than enough for any task you could be engaged in within 5 seconds of turning a light on.</p><p>You can get fluorescent bulbs in a giant variety of color temperatures...just like incandescent bulbs. The claim that 'the color is off' is foolish, you just didn't choose the right bulb for your tastes. Research!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...I will not use fluorescent lights in my home .
My eyes are sensitive and they give me a headache , take too long to reach proper brightness , use mercury , and plus the color is off .
I 'd have switched to LED light , even with the higher prices , if they actually put out enough lumens .
The highest I could find only put out the light equivalent of a 10-40W incandescent....Oh , you can see the lights flickering ? !
Wow that sure is sensitive !
( those headaches could n't be related to over-illumination , improper mixing of color temperatures , of course ) I can only see the 'too long to reach proper brightness ' problem rarely being a problem .
They take at most 5-10 seconds to reach full output these days , and before that point they provide a large amount of illumination... more than enough for any task you could be engaged in within 5 seconds of turning a light on.You can get fluorescent bulbs in a giant variety of color temperatures...just like incandescent bulbs .
The claim that 'the color is off ' is foolish , you just did n't choose the right bulb for your tastes .
Research !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I will not use fluorescent lights in my home.
My eyes are sensitive and they give me a headache, take too long to reach proper brightness, use mercury, and plus the color is off.
I'd have switched to LED light, even with the higher prices, if they actually put out enough lumens.
The highest I could find only put out the light equivalent of a 10-40W incandescent....Oh, you can see the lights flickering?!
Wow that sure is sensitive!
(those headaches couldn't be related to over-illumination, improper mixing of color temperatures, of course)I can only see the 'too long to reach proper brightness' problem rarely being a problem.
They take at most 5-10 seconds to reach full output these days, and before that point they provide a large amount of illumination... more than enough for any task you could be engaged in within 5 seconds of turning a light on.You can get fluorescent bulbs in a giant variety of color temperatures...just like incandescent bulbs.
The claim that 'the color is off' is foolish, you just didn't choose the right bulb for your tastes.
Research!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31523136</id>
	<title>Switch to more efficient lighting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268928600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this was about energy savings, we would be seeing street lights turned off, turned down, or upgraded to more efficient types, around the nation.  We are not.  We are seeing the opposite.  More street lights are being installed every day.  Brighter lights, with no thought of efficiency.</p><p>This is only about the appearance of progress.</p><p>And anyone who claims I can't detect the flicker of flourescent lighting is an idiot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this was about energy savings , we would be seeing street lights turned off , turned down , or upgraded to more efficient types , around the nation .
We are not .
We are seeing the opposite .
More street lights are being installed every day .
Brighter lights , with no thought of efficiency.This is only about the appearance of progress.And anyone who claims I ca n't detect the flicker of flourescent lighting is an idiot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this was about energy savings, we would be seeing street lights turned off, turned down, or upgraded to more efficient types, around the nation.
We are not.
We are seeing the opposite.
More street lights are being installed every day.
Brighter lights, with no thought of efficiency.This is only about the appearance of progress.And anyone who claims I can't detect the flicker of flourescent lighting is an idiot.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508062</id>
	<title>Bad News for Photophiles</title>
	<author>srussia</author>
	<datestamp>1268839080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First they did it with audio, then with video (my beloved CRT just died), now lights (I don't think LED even with "Quantum Dots" can emit a smooth spectrum). I guess I'll just have to splash out on those special-run "tubes" for my lighting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First they did it with audio , then with video ( my beloved CRT just died ) , now lights ( I do n't think LED even with " Quantum Dots " can emit a smooth spectrum ) .
I guess I 'll just have to splash out on those special-run " tubes " for my lighting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First they did it with audio, then with video (my beloved CRT just died), now lights (I don't think LED even with "Quantum Dots" can emit a smooth spectrum).
I guess I'll just have to splash out on those special-run "tubes" for my lighting.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507600</id>
	<title>so long...</title>
	<author>eexaa</author>
	<datestamp>1268836800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>....and thanks for all the friendly warm light.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>....and thanks for all the friendly warm light .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>....and thanks for all the friendly warm light.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507782</id>
	<title>I love LED lights</title>
	<author>Taibhsear</author>
	<datestamp>1268837640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I've been waiting for the tech to get better and cheaper before switching. I will not use fluorescent lights in my home. My eyes are sensitive and they give me a headache, take too long to reach proper brightness, use mercury, and plus the color is off. I'd have switched to LED light, even with the higher prices, if they actually put out enough lumens. The highest I could find only put out the light equivalent of a 10-40W incandescent. It's fine for like going to the bathroom late at night or reading a book, but for working on anything important (art, fixing things, building things, etc) they are not acceptable. I hope this is a big enough push to get the tech moving along and the prices down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I 've been waiting for the tech to get better and cheaper before switching .
I will not use fluorescent lights in my home .
My eyes are sensitive and they give me a headache , take too long to reach proper brightness , use mercury , and plus the color is off .
I 'd have switched to LED light , even with the higher prices , if they actually put out enough lumens .
The highest I could find only put out the light equivalent of a 10-40W incandescent .
It 's fine for like going to the bathroom late at night or reading a book , but for working on anything important ( art , fixing things , building things , etc ) they are not acceptable .
I hope this is a big enough push to get the tech moving along and the prices down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I've been waiting for the tech to get better and cheaper before switching.
I will not use fluorescent lights in my home.
My eyes are sensitive and they give me a headache, take too long to reach proper brightness, use mercury, and plus the color is off.
I'd have switched to LED light, even with the higher prices, if they actually put out enough lumens.
The highest I could find only put out the light equivalent of a 10-40W incandescent.
It's fine for like going to the bathroom late at night or reading a book, but for working on anything important (art, fixing things, building things, etc) they are not acceptable.
I hope this is a big enough push to get the tech moving along and the prices down.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31515070</id>
	<title>Re:Go, go LED</title>
	<author>Mashdar</author>
	<datestamp>1268819580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>PS the vast majority of LED lamps are (and will be) non-dimmable. The dimming ballast circuit (just like in CFLs) is significantly more complex than the on-off ballast circuit. For this reason dimming lamps will always be an added cost, and features such as color changing and particularly low dimming will be extra expensive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>PS the vast majority of LED lamps are ( and will be ) non-dimmable .
The dimming ballast circuit ( just like in CFLs ) is significantly more complex than the on-off ballast circuit .
For this reason dimming lamps will always be an added cost , and features such as color changing and particularly low dimming will be extra expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PS the vast majority of LED lamps are (and will be) non-dimmable.
The dimming ballast circuit (just like in CFLs) is significantly more complex than the on-off ballast circuit.
For this reason dimming lamps will always be an added cost, and features such as color changing and particularly low dimming will be extra expensive.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31508266</id>
	<title>Re:I love LED lights</title>
	<author>Mashdar</author>
	<datestamp>1268839860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work in the lighting field and have a few comments:<br>1)The reason you can't find bright LEDs to go in your A19 fixtures is that they cannot be properly heat-sinked. Shedding heat is really important for LEDs, and requires some very nice heavy duty fixtures to keep the lamps at full output (heat wears the LEDs out faster, and they dim gradually rather than burning out).<br>2) I refused to use CFLs in my house for years. You should buy several varieties and try them out, though. Some are actually very pleasing now. Sadly the choices for non-standard bulbs are still mostly terrible (I have yet to find a cheap R20 CFL I don't hate). Some of the Fiet lamps are for sale at walgreens for cheap and look pretty good. Seek lamps that say 3500K for the color temperature. (5000k will be very blue, 3000k or less will be reddish)<br>3) Reading is an activity which ideally should have good lighting. Don't strain your eyes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in the lighting field and have a few comments : 1 ) The reason you ca n't find bright LEDs to go in your A19 fixtures is that they can not be properly heat-sinked .
Shedding heat is really important for LEDs , and requires some very nice heavy duty fixtures to keep the lamps at full output ( heat wears the LEDs out faster , and they dim gradually rather than burning out ) .2 ) I refused to use CFLs in my house for years .
You should buy several varieties and try them out , though .
Some are actually very pleasing now .
Sadly the choices for non-standard bulbs are still mostly terrible ( I have yet to find a cheap R20 CFL I do n't hate ) .
Some of the Fiet lamps are for sale at walgreens for cheap and look pretty good .
Seek lamps that say 3500K for the color temperature .
( 5000k will be very blue , 3000k or less will be reddish ) 3 ) Reading is an activity which ideally should have good lighting .
Do n't strain your eyes : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in the lighting field and have a few comments:1)The reason you can't find bright LEDs to go in your A19 fixtures is that they cannot be properly heat-sinked.
Shedding heat is really important for LEDs, and requires some very nice heavy duty fixtures to keep the lamps at full output (heat wears the LEDs out faster, and they dim gradually rather than burning out).2) I refused to use CFLs in my house for years.
You should buy several varieties and try them out, though.
Some are actually very pleasing now.
Sadly the choices for non-standard bulbs are still mostly terrible (I have yet to find a cheap R20 CFL I don't hate).
Some of the Fiet lamps are for sale at walgreens for cheap and look pretty good.
Seek lamps that say 3500K for the color temperature.
(5000k will be very blue, 3000k or less will be reddish)3) Reading is an activity which ideally should have good lighting.
Don't strain your eyes :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31511768</id>
	<title>Scott</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268851560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The bigger issue in my opinion is where does the government think it has the right to tell me what kind of light bulb that I HAVE to use in my own home.  They don't and they should not be allowed to.  Energy is a big issue but the problem is not because of what kind of light bulb I choose to use in my home, it is because self interested politicians have prevented the best solutions to be implemented.  Innovation is going to come about by people being able to take a risk with new technology and then letting the marketplace see if it is the best answer or not.  Who really thinks ethanol is the best answer for fuel when there are people who are hungry and when Iowa happens to be the first place where politicians campaign.</p><p>This is also a personal preference issue.  Your arguments are just like trying to tell me that rocky road ice cream is better when I prefer moose tracks.  I like the way the incandescent bulbs look, especially if they are exposed in a lamp or ceiling lights.  If mercury was not an issue even in small amounts then why do the recommend that pregnant women stay away from salmon and tuna.  I don't want my dog laying on the floor where I dropped and broke a CFL bulb.  For now I am stocking up on the good old incandescent bulbs that don't give me a headache, poison me or my dog and light up the room properly.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and voting the idiots out who make such stupid intrusive legislation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The bigger issue in my opinion is where does the government think it has the right to tell me what kind of light bulb that I HAVE to use in my own home .
They do n't and they should not be allowed to .
Energy is a big issue but the problem is not because of what kind of light bulb I choose to use in my home , it is because self interested politicians have prevented the best solutions to be implemented .
Innovation is going to come about by people being able to take a risk with new technology and then letting the marketplace see if it is the best answer or not .
Who really thinks ethanol is the best answer for fuel when there are people who are hungry and when Iowa happens to be the first place where politicians campaign.This is also a personal preference issue .
Your arguments are just like trying to tell me that rocky road ice cream is better when I prefer moose tracks .
I like the way the incandescent bulbs look , especially if they are exposed in a lamp or ceiling lights .
If mercury was not an issue even in small amounts then why do the recommend that pregnant women stay away from salmon and tuna .
I do n't want my dog laying on the floor where I dropped and broke a CFL bulb .
For now I am stocking up on the good old incandescent bulbs that do n't give me a headache , poison me or my dog and light up the room properly .
...and voting the idiots out who make such stupid intrusive legislation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bigger issue in my opinion is where does the government think it has the right to tell me what kind of light bulb that I HAVE to use in my own home.
They don't and they should not be allowed to.
Energy is a big issue but the problem is not because of what kind of light bulb I choose to use in my home, it is because self interested politicians have prevented the best solutions to be implemented.
Innovation is going to come about by people being able to take a risk with new technology and then letting the marketplace see if it is the best answer or not.
Who really thinks ethanol is the best answer for fuel when there are people who are hungry and when Iowa happens to be the first place where politicians campaign.This is also a personal preference issue.
Your arguments are just like trying to tell me that rocky road ice cream is better when I prefer moose tracks.
I like the way the incandescent bulbs look, especially if they are exposed in a lamp or ceiling lights.
If mercury was not an issue even in small amounts then why do the recommend that pregnant women stay away from salmon and tuna.
I don't want my dog laying on the floor where I dropped and broke a CFL bulb.
For now I am stocking up on the good old incandescent bulbs that don't give me a headache, poison me or my dog and light up the room properly.
...and voting the idiots out who make such stupid intrusive legislation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31509166</id>
	<title>Re:Go, go LED</title>
	<author>guruevi</author>
	<datestamp>1268843640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got LED's too and unless you buy the very cheap ones not even available at Home Depot, they are very good. They are much faster than CFL's (full brightness almost instantaneous), they use 3W vs. 60W and give out very good quality light (halogen-like). The only problem is that they're very directional (15 degree angle) so they are only good for track and recessed lighting (spotlights).</p><p>Philips also makes omnidirectional chandelier lights (1W) which they finally made dimmable so I can try them out whenever I got 6*$20 to spare.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got LED 's too and unless you buy the very cheap ones not even available at Home Depot , they are very good .
They are much faster than CFL 's ( full brightness almost instantaneous ) , they use 3W vs. 60W and give out very good quality light ( halogen-like ) .
The only problem is that they 're very directional ( 15 degree angle ) so they are only good for track and recessed lighting ( spotlights ) .Philips also makes omnidirectional chandelier lights ( 1W ) which they finally made dimmable so I can try them out whenever I got 6 * $ 20 to spare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got LED's too and unless you buy the very cheap ones not even available at Home Depot, they are very good.
They are much faster than CFL's (full brightness almost instantaneous), they use 3W vs. 60W and give out very good quality light (halogen-like).
The only problem is that they're very directional (15 degree angle) so they are only good for track and recessed lighting (spotlights).Philips also makes omnidirectional chandelier lights (1W) which they finally made dimmable so I can try them out whenever I got 6*$20 to spare.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31511510</id>
	<title>go the way of vacuum tubes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268850840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>but vacuum tubes are still available...  Time to form a company to make "vintage" light bulbs for use in historical applications.</htmltext>
<tokenext>but vacuum tubes are still available... Time to form a company to make " vintage " light bulbs for use in historical applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but vacuum tubes are still available...  Time to form a company to make "vintage" light bulbs for use in historical applications.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_17_124243.31507736</id>
	<title>Re:Go, go LED</title>
	<author>click2005</author>
	<datestamp>1268837460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are they making dimmable LED lights yet?<br>Last time I looked nobody was.<br>I ended up making my own by using arrays of LEDs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are they making dimmable LED lights yet ? Last time I looked nobody was.I ended up making my own by using arrays of LEDs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are they making dimmable LED lights yet?Last time I looked nobody was.I ended up making my own by using arrays of LEDs.</sentencetext>
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