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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_16_1822235</id>
	<title>Japan To Standardize Electric Vehicle Chargers</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1268726700000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>JoshuaInNippon writes <i>"Four major Japanese car manufacturers and one power company (Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, Toyota, and Tokyo Electric) have teamed up with over 150 business and government entities in Japan to form a <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5iLfCgTv7rwsa5g887V77rxfwlhRA">group to promote standardization in electric vehicle chargers</a> and charging stations.  The group hopes to leverage current Japanese electric vehicle technology and spread standardization throughout the country, as well as aim towards worldwide acceptance of their standardized charger model. In a very Japanese manner, the group has decided to call themselves 'CHAdeMO,' a play on the English words 'charge' and 'move,' as well as a Japanese pun that encourages tea-drinking while waiting the 15+ minutes it will take to charge one's vehicle battery."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>JoshuaInNippon writes " Four major Japanese car manufacturers and one power company ( Mitsubishi , Nissan , Subaru , Toyota , and Tokyo Electric ) have teamed up with over 150 business and government entities in Japan to form a group to promote standardization in electric vehicle chargers and charging stations .
The group hopes to leverage current Japanese electric vehicle technology and spread standardization throughout the country , as well as aim towards worldwide acceptance of their standardized charger model .
In a very Japanese manner , the group has decided to call themselves 'CHAdeMO, ' a play on the English words 'charge ' and 'move, ' as well as a Japanese pun that encourages tea-drinking while waiting the 15 + minutes it will take to charge one 's vehicle battery .
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<sentencetext>JoshuaInNippon writes "Four major Japanese car manufacturers and one power company (Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, Toyota, and Tokyo Electric) have teamed up with over 150 business and government entities in Japan to form a group to promote standardization in electric vehicle chargers and charging stations.
The group hopes to leverage current Japanese electric vehicle technology and spread standardization throughout the country, as well as aim towards worldwide acceptance of their standardized charger model.
In a very Japanese manner, the group has decided to call themselves 'CHAdeMO,' a play on the English words 'charge' and 'move,' as well as a Japanese pun that encourages tea-drinking while waiting the 15+ minutes it will take to charge one's vehicle battery.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501056</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>Michael Kristopeit</author>
	<datestamp>1268732340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We Americans need to come up with our own, incompatible, standard for charging vehicles.</p></div><p>i'm sure apple and sony are already on it</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We Americans need to come up with our own , incompatible , standard for charging vehicles.i 'm sure apple and sony are already on it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We Americans need to come up with our own, incompatible, standard for charging vehicles.i'm sure apple and sony are already on it
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501784</id>
	<title>The more standards the better.</title>
	<author>mspohr</author>
	<datestamp>1268735940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have three different Canon digital cameras (point and shoot... all recent vintage).  Each of them has a lithium rechargeable battery.  All of the batteries are about the same size (within a millimeter or two) but they are all different and not interchangeable and each has a different charger.  Drives me crazy.  <p>
It should be obvious to most people that the chargers should be standard.  After all, we have standards for tires, batteries, fuel filling openings, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have three different Canon digital cameras ( point and shoot... all recent vintage ) .
Each of them has a lithium rechargeable battery .
All of the batteries are about the same size ( within a millimeter or two ) but they are all different and not interchangeable and each has a different charger .
Drives me crazy .
It should be obvious to most people that the chargers should be standard .
After all , we have standards for tires , batteries , fuel filling openings , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have three different Canon digital cameras (point and shoot... all recent vintage).
Each of them has a lithium rechargeable battery.
All of the batteries are about the same size (within a millimeter or two) but they are all different and not interchangeable and each has a different charger.
Drives me crazy.
It should be obvious to most people that the chargers should be standard.
After all, we have standards for tires, batteries, fuel filling openings, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31504468</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>dudpixel</author>
	<datestamp>1268755740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if only microsoft made cars...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if only microsoft made cars.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if only microsoft made cars...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501898</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>OnePumpChump</author>
	<datestamp>1268736420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If Tesla follows the lead of that one Tesla owner and starts installing charging stations around the country, they could still win (in the US at least, which could help give them the rest of the world) and own the standard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If Tesla follows the lead of that one Tesla owner and starts installing charging stations around the country , they could still win ( in the US at least , which could help give them the rest of the world ) and own the standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Tesla follows the lead of that one Tesla owner and starts installing charging stations around the country, they could still win (in the US at least, which could help give them the rest of the world) and own the standard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31500974</id>
	<title>Aw, Japan....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268731920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Japan is the world's weird uncle!</p><p>You know, the one that always tries too make jokes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Japan is the world 's weird uncle ! You know , the one that always tries too make jokes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Japan is the world's weird uncle!You know, the one that always tries too make jokes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501012</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1268732100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We Americans need to come up with our own, incompatible, standard for charging vehicles.</p></div><p>No problem dude we already have at least two incompatible charger standards.</p><p>SAE J1772 and IEC 62196</p><p>The SAE standard is supported by all the domestic manufacturers, AND THE JAPANESE whom supposedly, according to the article, want yet another standard.  Probably SONY wants a battery charger with a root kit or something like that.</p><p>The IEC standard, which apparently no one wants to use, is basically the SAE on steroids with a bunch more control/DRM pins.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE\_J1772" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE\_J1772</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We Americans need to come up with our own , incompatible , standard for charging vehicles.No problem dude we already have at least two incompatible charger standards.SAE J1772 and IEC 62196The SAE standard is supported by all the domestic manufacturers , AND THE JAPANESE whom supposedly , according to the article , want yet another standard .
Probably SONY wants a battery charger with a root kit or something like that.The IEC standard , which apparently no one wants to use , is basically the SAE on steroids with a bunch more control/DRM pins.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE \ _J1772 [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We Americans need to come up with our own, incompatible, standard for charging vehicles.No problem dude we already have at least two incompatible charger standards.SAE J1772 and IEC 62196The SAE standard is supported by all the domestic manufacturers, AND THE JAPANESE whom supposedly, according to the article, want yet another standard.
Probably SONY wants a battery charger with a root kit or something like that.The IEC standard, which apparently no one wants to use, is basically the SAE on steroids with a bunch more control/DRM pins.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE\_J1772 [wikipedia.org]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501026</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>K. S. Kyosuke</author>
	<datestamp>1268732160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>America should let the free market come up with at least 3 competing, mutually incompatible charging standards.</p></div><p>After all, as Grace Hopper would say, the wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>America should let the free market come up with at least 3 competing , mutually incompatible charging standards.After all , as Grace Hopper would say , the wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America should let the free market come up with at least 3 competing, mutually incompatible charging standards.After all, as Grace Hopper would say, the wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501078</id>
	<title>Scary</title>
	<author>Jeff-reyy</author>
	<datestamp>1268732400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the Japanese know what's good for them they will take to the streets to protest this heavy handed government intrusion into private industry.  Charger standards will emerge for cars when the market is ready, just like with cell phones.  Ask the Russians how they like their centrally planned economy and then ask yourself if you really want big gubbermint bureaucrats legislating charger standards for cars, or USB chargers for cell phones.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the Japanese know what 's good for them they will take to the streets to protest this heavy handed government intrusion into private industry .
Charger standards will emerge for cars when the market is ready , just like with cell phones .
Ask the Russians how they like their centrally planned economy and then ask yourself if you really want big gubbermint bureaucrats legislating charger standards for cars , or USB chargers for cell phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the Japanese know what's good for them they will take to the streets to protest this heavy handed government intrusion into private industry.
Charger standards will emerge for cars when the market is ready, just like with cell phones.
Ask the Russians how they like their centrally planned economy and then ask yourself if you really want big gubbermint bureaucrats legislating charger standards for cars, or USB chargers for cell phones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31500704</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>sakdoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1268730660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>USB</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>USB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>USB</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501222</id>
	<title>15 minutes?</title>
	<author>phantomcircuit</author>
	<datestamp>1268733060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sorry but 15 minutes? That is complete and utter crap.  It takes hours to fully recharge.  In fact it takes "about 3.5 hours" <a href="http://www.teslamotors.com/performance/perf\_specs.php" title="teslamotors.com">http://www.teslamotors.com/performance/perf\_specs.php</a> [teslamotors.com] to recharge a tesla motors roadster.</p><p>But I just noticed that the article says nothing about that... DAMN YOU EDITORS!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry but 15 minutes ?
That is complete and utter crap .
It takes hours to fully recharge .
In fact it takes " about 3.5 hours " http : //www.teslamotors.com/performance/perf \ _specs.php [ teslamotors.com ] to recharge a tesla motors roadster.But I just noticed that the article says nothing about that... DAMN YOU EDITORS !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry but 15 minutes?
That is complete and utter crap.
It takes hours to fully recharge.
In fact it takes "about 3.5 hours" http://www.teslamotors.com/performance/perf\_specs.php [teslamotors.com] to recharge a tesla motors roadster.But I just noticed that the article says nothing about that... DAMN YOU EDITORS!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31500914</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>poetmatt</author>
	<datestamp>1268731680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would they even need to bother? Our voltages aren't even the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would they even need to bother ?
Our voltages are n't even the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would they even need to bother?
Our voltages aren't even the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31500762</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>jimbolauski</author>
	<datestamp>1268730960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How many cars are driven in both Japan and the USA, it's not a big problem, If Japan can handle half the country at 50hz and half the country at 60hz I'm sure the 3 or 4 cars made for the US standard will be able to get an adapter to handle Japanese recharging stations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many cars are driven in both Japan and the USA , it 's not a big problem , If Japan can handle half the country at 50hz and half the country at 60hz I 'm sure the 3 or 4 cars made for the US standard will be able to get an adapter to handle Japanese recharging stations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many cars are driven in both Japan and the USA, it's not a big problem, If Japan can handle half the country at 50hz and half the country at 60hz I'm sure the 3 or 4 cars made for the US standard will be able to get an adapter to handle Japanese recharging stations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31500962</id>
	<title>Should have a drop-down and identification</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1268731860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think chargers where you have to hook it up manually everytime would be laborious.  It would be cool if in middle of the engine compartment would drop down some type of charging unit, perhaps working by induction (if that can deliver), everytime you park.  There would be some type of identification so that if the car isn't authorized, the mat wouldn't charge it.</p><p>Morever, public parking spots could use the identification to bill the appropriate party and everytime you park, you could be recharged.  Or something with those benefits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think chargers where you have to hook it up manually everytime would be laborious .
It would be cool if in middle of the engine compartment would drop down some type of charging unit , perhaps working by induction ( if that can deliver ) , everytime you park .
There would be some type of identification so that if the car is n't authorized , the mat would n't charge it.Morever , public parking spots could use the identification to bill the appropriate party and everytime you park , you could be recharged .
Or something with those benefits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think chargers where you have to hook it up manually everytime would be laborious.
It would be cool if in middle of the engine compartment would drop down some type of charging unit, perhaps working by induction (if that can deliver), everytime you park.
There would be some type of identification so that if the car isn't authorized, the mat wouldn't charge it.Morever, public parking spots could use the identification to bill the appropriate party and everytime you park, you could be recharged.
Or something with those benefits.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501100</id>
	<title>Server power supply of the future?</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1268732520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Something no one has ever mentioned on Slashdot, I think, is that the SAE J1772 electric car charger standard is designed for drunken morons to transfer well in excess of 15 KW, more or less continuously.</p><p>Frankly, I would not be surprised to see it become the new standard high power AC electric plug... think about it, one plug, worldwide, for very large server racks, SANs, electric clothes dryers, arc welders, big UPSes, generators, etc...</p><p>Its going to be in mass production weather we use it or not, it seems fairly idiot proof, it seems like it would be a great idea to standardize our worldwide electrical infrastructure on this new connector...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Something no one has ever mentioned on Slashdot , I think , is that the SAE J1772 electric car charger standard is designed for drunken morons to transfer well in excess of 15 KW , more or less continuously.Frankly , I would not be surprised to see it become the new standard high power AC electric plug... think about it , one plug , worldwide , for very large server racks , SANs , electric clothes dryers , arc welders , big UPSes , generators , etc...Its going to be in mass production weather we use it or not , it seems fairly idiot proof , it seems like it would be a great idea to standardize our worldwide electrical infrastructure on this new connector.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something no one has ever mentioned on Slashdot, I think, is that the SAE J1772 electric car charger standard is designed for drunken morons to transfer well in excess of 15 KW, more or less continuously.Frankly, I would not be surprised to see it become the new standard high power AC electric plug... think about it, one plug, worldwide, for very large server racks, SANs, electric clothes dryers, arc welders, big UPSes, generators, etc...Its going to be in mass production weather we use it or not, it seems fairly idiot proof, it seems like it would be a great idea to standardize our worldwide electrical infrastructure on this new connector...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31502248</id>
	<title>SAE J1772- 'nuff said</title>
	<author>peas\_n\_carrots</author>
	<datestamp>1268738220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE\_J1772" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE\_J1772</a> [wikipedia.org] <br>
<br>
Why the Japanese feel that they need to come up with ANOTHER non-standard standard is really quite annoying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE \ _J1772 [ wikipedia.org ] Why the Japanese feel that they need to come up with ANOTHER non-standard standard is really quite annoying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE\_J1772 [wikipedia.org] 

Why the Japanese feel that they need to come up with ANOTHER non-standard standard is really quite annoying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31502224</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1268738100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ha! You pinkos! I bet you want ALL charging systems to work on 60 cps 120 volt AC current. At least one of them should only be straight 36 amp DC current and the other should actually *mix* AC and DC on the same line, thus working against itself during each AC cycle. By golly, not *THAT'S* American!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ha !
You pinkos !
I bet you want ALL charging systems to work on 60 cps 120 volt AC current .
At least one of them should only be straight 36 amp DC current and the other should actually * mix * AC and DC on the same line , thus working against itself during each AC cycle .
By golly , not * THAT 'S * American !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ha!
You pinkos!
I bet you want ALL charging systems to work on 60 cps 120 volt AC current.
At least one of them should only be straight 36 amp DC current and the other should actually *mix* AC and DC on the same line, thus working against itself during each AC cycle.
By golly, not *THAT'S* American!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31502314</id>
	<title>SAE J1772 vs. Mennekes vs TEPCO standards</title>
	<author>spage</author>
	<datestamp>1268738580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It looks like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE\_J1772" title="wikipedia.org">SAE J1772</a> [wikipedia.org] will be the American and Japanese standard for level 1 (~120V AC) and level 2 (~220V AC) charging.  (More accurately, this is the SAE J1772-2009 revision using the round connector developed by Yazaki.  There is already a rectangular J1772 connector developed a decade ago, mostly made by AVCON, that the few hundreds of USA recharge stations and EVs have been using for years.)  Tesla says they will retrofit their AC connector to J1772.</p><p>But for even faster charging while you have some tea, USA and Japan have decided need to send ~480V DC to the car. On reason given is that supplying any higher AC voltages would make on-board converters too heavy for the car, but it also could be that the residential supply in USA and Japan doesn't go that high.  The SAE J1772 group is working on a level 3 high-voltage DC spec, but it's unclear whether the same connector can handle the power.  The Nissan Leaf already has a separate DC charge port next to the J1772 connector, <a href="http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/technical/1381-charging-station-standards-24.html" title="teslamotorsclub.com">see some pictures</a> [teslamotorsclub.com]. I think it and the Mitsubishi i-MiEV use the Japanese TEPCO design for DC, and Tokyo Electric Power Co is behind this CHAdeMO group.</p><p>Meanwhile in Europe some manufacturers are poised to to adopt the Mennekes connector, which can handle up to 400V AC three-phase and 63A; I'm not sure where they stand on DC charging. IEC 62196-2 seems a large set of standards for sending juice to a car, I don't know who's supporting it.</p><p>These specs are far more elaborate than electrical specifications and a physical connector. They have complicated signaling between the car and charger to indicate what voltages and currents can safely be transferred, timed protocols to turn on the juice, some transfer data during charge to indicate how it's progressing, the car can negotiate with Enron for a discount night-time rate, etc. I imagine you could make adapter cables between different standards, but I assume they would need smart firmware, or at least some way to signal "Just give me 208V AC and forget the protocols" dumbed-down mode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It looks like SAE J1772 [ wikipedia.org ] will be the American and Japanese standard for level 1 ( ~ 120V AC ) and level 2 ( ~ 220V AC ) charging .
( More accurately , this is the SAE J1772-2009 revision using the round connector developed by Yazaki .
There is already a rectangular J1772 connector developed a decade ago , mostly made by AVCON , that the few hundreds of USA recharge stations and EVs have been using for years .
) Tesla says they will retrofit their AC connector to J1772.But for even faster charging while you have some tea , USA and Japan have decided need to send ~ 480V DC to the car .
On reason given is that supplying any higher AC voltages would make on-board converters too heavy for the car , but it also could be that the residential supply in USA and Japan does n't go that high .
The SAE J1772 group is working on a level 3 high-voltage DC spec , but it 's unclear whether the same connector can handle the power .
The Nissan Leaf already has a separate DC charge port next to the J1772 connector , see some pictures [ teslamotorsclub.com ] .
I think it and the Mitsubishi i-MiEV use the Japanese TEPCO design for DC , and Tokyo Electric Power Co is behind this CHAdeMO group.Meanwhile in Europe some manufacturers are poised to to adopt the Mennekes connector , which can handle up to 400V AC three-phase and 63A ; I 'm not sure where they stand on DC charging .
IEC 62196-2 seems a large set of standards for sending juice to a car , I do n't know who 's supporting it.These specs are far more elaborate than electrical specifications and a physical connector .
They have complicated signaling between the car and charger to indicate what voltages and currents can safely be transferred , timed protocols to turn on the juice , some transfer data during charge to indicate how it 's progressing , the car can negotiate with Enron for a discount night-time rate , etc .
I imagine you could make adapter cables between different standards , but I assume they would need smart firmware , or at least some way to signal " Just give me 208V AC and forget the protocols " dumbed-down mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It looks like SAE J1772 [wikipedia.org] will be the American and Japanese standard for level 1 (~120V AC) and level 2 (~220V AC) charging.
(More accurately, this is the SAE J1772-2009 revision using the round connector developed by Yazaki.
There is already a rectangular J1772 connector developed a decade ago, mostly made by AVCON, that the few hundreds of USA recharge stations and EVs have been using for years.
)  Tesla says they will retrofit their AC connector to J1772.But for even faster charging while you have some tea, USA and Japan have decided need to send ~480V DC to the car.
On reason given is that supplying any higher AC voltages would make on-board converters too heavy for the car, but it also could be that the residential supply in USA and Japan doesn't go that high.
The SAE J1772 group is working on a level 3 high-voltage DC spec, but it's unclear whether the same connector can handle the power.
The Nissan Leaf already has a separate DC charge port next to the J1772 connector, see some pictures [teslamotorsclub.com].
I think it and the Mitsubishi i-MiEV use the Japanese TEPCO design for DC, and Tokyo Electric Power Co is behind this CHAdeMO group.Meanwhile in Europe some manufacturers are poised to to adopt the Mennekes connector, which can handle up to 400V AC three-phase and 63A; I'm not sure where they stand on DC charging.
IEC 62196-2 seems a large set of standards for sending juice to a car, I don't know who's supporting it.These specs are far more elaborate than electrical specifications and a physical connector.
They have complicated signaling between the car and charger to indicate what voltages and currents can safely be transferred, timed protocols to turn on the juice, some transfer data during charge to indicate how it's progressing, the car can negotiate with Enron for a discount night-time rate, etc.
I imagine you could make adapter cables between different standards, but I assume they would need smart firmware, or at least some way to signal "Just give me 208V AC and forget the protocols" dumbed-down mode.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31503022</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>RulerOf</author>
	<datestamp>1268742780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>America should let the free market come up with at least 3 competing, mutually incompatible charging standards. Each with its own DRM system to prevent nimbler third parties from offering cheaper alternatives!</p></div><p>LG, Apple, and Motorola are all showing tech demos of their chargers next week, with the trade shows being sponsored by Verizon and AT&amp;T.  Rumor has it that the LG charger's locking mechanism will break off sometime before you're finished paying your car loan, Apple's charger is a massive dock connector that's already compatible with a huge range of iCar accessories, and Motorola's charger will be covered under warranty, but any rust on the vehicle's underbody will somehow void the warranty on the charger.<br> <br>You can, of course, buy an insurance policy for your vehicle, but they'll charge extra for a rental while your new model is air-freighted from China over a period of three weeks.  You also have to pay for return shipping.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>America should let the free market come up with at least 3 competing , mutually incompatible charging standards .
Each with its own DRM system to prevent nimbler third parties from offering cheaper alternatives ! LG , Apple , and Motorola are all showing tech demos of their chargers next week , with the trade shows being sponsored by Verizon and AT&amp;T .
Rumor has it that the LG charger 's locking mechanism will break off sometime before you 're finished paying your car loan , Apple 's charger is a massive dock connector that 's already compatible with a huge range of iCar accessories , and Motorola 's charger will be covered under warranty , but any rust on the vehicle 's underbody will somehow void the warranty on the charger .
You can , of course , buy an insurance policy for your vehicle , but they 'll charge extra for a rental while your new model is air-freighted from China over a period of three weeks .
You also have to pay for return shipping .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America should let the free market come up with at least 3 competing, mutually incompatible charging standards.
Each with its own DRM system to prevent nimbler third parties from offering cheaper alternatives!LG, Apple, and Motorola are all showing tech demos of their chargers next week, with the trade shows being sponsored by Verizon and AT&amp;T.
Rumor has it that the LG charger's locking mechanism will break off sometime before you're finished paying your car loan, Apple's charger is a massive dock connector that's already compatible with a huge range of iCar accessories, and Motorola's charger will be covered under warranty, but any rust on the vehicle's underbody will somehow void the warranty on the charger.
You can, of course, buy an insurance policy for your vehicle, but they'll charge extra for a rental while your new model is air-freighted from China over a period of three weeks.
You also have to pay for return shipping.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501488</id>
	<title>Re:15 minutes?</title>
	<author>WalksOnDirt</author>
	<datestamp>1268734320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tesla uses LiCo batteries, which are relatively slow.  The Nissan Leaf is capable of an 80\% charge in 30 minutes using faster LiMn batteries.  A 15 minute charge is possible with even faster batteries, but by that point it's starting to get expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tesla uses LiCo batteries , which are relatively slow .
The Nissan Leaf is capable of an 80 \ % charge in 30 minutes using faster LiMn batteries .
A 15 minute charge is possible with even faster batteries , but by that point it 's starting to get expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tesla uses LiCo batteries, which are relatively slow.
The Nissan Leaf is capable of an 80\% charge in 30 minutes using faster LiMn batteries.
A 15 minute charge is possible with even faster batteries, but by that point it's starting to get expensive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501366</id>
	<title>Re:Should have a drop-down and identification</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1268733720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting possibility.  Of course, the inductive charging system would weigh half what the batteries would, so your effective range is dropped, but as long as you have a valid recharge station within range of where you are going that day, you're good.</p><p>An expansion on that idea would be inductive charging on the highway.  Solves the range problem right there.  If you are going any distance, your car is charged along the way, so "100 miles per charge" would only count if you wanted to drive that 100 miles off-highway.  You could drive from Maine to California on a single "charge".  More rural areas could have inductive or direct-hookup charging systems at stations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting possibility .
Of course , the inductive charging system would weigh half what the batteries would , so your effective range is dropped , but as long as you have a valid recharge station within range of where you are going that day , you 're good.An expansion on that idea would be inductive charging on the highway .
Solves the range problem right there .
If you are going any distance , your car is charged along the way , so " 100 miles per charge " would only count if you wanted to drive that 100 miles off-highway .
You could drive from Maine to California on a single " charge " .
More rural areas could have inductive or direct-hookup charging systems at stations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting possibility.
Of course, the inductive charging system would weigh half what the batteries would, so your effective range is dropped, but as long as you have a valid recharge station within range of where you are going that day, you're good.An expansion on that idea would be inductive charging on the highway.
Solves the range problem right there.
If you are going any distance, your car is charged along the way, so "100 miles per charge" would only count if you wanted to drive that 100 miles off-highway.
You could drive from Maine to California on a single "charge".
More rural areas could have inductive or direct-hookup charging systems at stations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31500648</id>
	<title>Quick</title>
	<author>ArsonSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1268730420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We Americans need to come up with our own, incompatible, standard for charging vehicles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We Americans need to come up with our own , incompatible , standard for charging vehicles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We Americans need to come up with our own, incompatible, standard for charging vehicles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31503788</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1268749320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We already have one.  We call it the "gas pump".<br><br>HTH.HAND.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We already have one .
We call it the " gas pump " .HTH.HAND .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We already have one.
We call it the "gas pump".HTH.HAND.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31500970</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>Capt.DrumkenBum</author>
	<datestamp>1268731920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You should patent this idea and sell it to the North American auto makers. You are probably too late though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You should patent this idea and sell it to the North American auto makers .
You are probably too late though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should patent this idea and sell it to the North American auto makers.
You are probably too late though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501438</id>
	<title>"Karekuro No Anime" .... KaNoMe</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1268734080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wouldnt this one be better ? i mean, for most of us 'the internet' japan is 'tech gadgets', 'cars' and 'anime'.</p><p>dont ask me what it is. i made it out of my ass from some words i saw on a japanese website. its as good as any abbreviation any government makes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wouldnt this one be better ?
i mean , for most of us 'the internet ' japan is 'tech gadgets ' , 'cars ' and 'anime'.dont ask me what it is .
i made it out of my ass from some words i saw on a japanese website .
its as good as any abbreviation any government makes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wouldnt this one be better ?
i mean, for most of us 'the internet' japan is 'tech gadgets', 'cars' and 'anime'.dont ask me what it is.
i made it out of my ass from some words i saw on a japanese website.
its as good as any abbreviation any government makes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31505026</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268762340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shouldn't we really be plugging in DC to the car anyway? Leave the transformer outside at the charging station and feed it 48V DC or whatever is the best most usable voltage for a car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't we really be plugging in DC to the car anyway ?
Leave the transformer outside at the charging station and feed it 48V DC or whatever is the best most usable voltage for a car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't we really be plugging in DC to the car anyway?
Leave the transformer outside at the charging station and feed it 48V DC or whatever is the best most usable voltage for a car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501332</id>
	<title>Re:whats the point?</title>
	<author>iksbob</author>
	<datestamp>1268733540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a lot easier to put big, heavy, expensive emissions reducing and filtering equipment on a stationary power plant than it is to equip every single car on the roads. Further, more efficient engines can be built when they aren't restricted to weighing a ton or less, and when they don't have to stand up to the pounding and harsh environmental conditions that car engines experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a lot easier to put big , heavy , expensive emissions reducing and filtering equipment on a stationary power plant than it is to equip every single car on the roads .
Further , more efficient engines can be built when they are n't restricted to weighing a ton or less , and when they do n't have to stand up to the pounding and harsh environmental conditions that car engines experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a lot easier to put big, heavy, expensive emissions reducing and filtering equipment on a stationary power plant than it is to equip every single car on the roads.
Further, more efficient engines can be built when they aren't restricted to weighing a ton or less, and when they don't have to stand up to the pounding and harsh environmental conditions that car engines experience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501112</id>
	<title>whats the point?</title>
	<author>uncanny</author>
	<datestamp>1268732520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a little off topic, sure, but i have a question that maybe someone reading this will clear up for me.  What is the point of switching to electric cars if the source still puts out emissions?  I find it funny that these "golf carts" where i work proudly boast "GREEN" and "EMISSION FREE"  however, we're still getting our power from coal plants, and i doubt they are very clean burning anyways.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a little off topic , sure , but i have a question that maybe someone reading this will clear up for me .
What is the point of switching to electric cars if the source still puts out emissions ?
I find it funny that these " golf carts " where i work proudly boast " GREEN " and " EMISSION FREE " however , we 're still getting our power from coal plants , and i doubt they are very clean burning anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a little off topic, sure, but i have a question that maybe someone reading this will clear up for me.
What is the point of switching to electric cars if the source still puts out emissions?
I find it funny that these "golf carts" where i work proudly boast "GREEN" and "EMISSION FREE"  however, we're still getting our power from coal plants, and i doubt they are very clean burning anyways.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501284</id>
	<title>Wait Until The Blue Screen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268733360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>of the <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Waldac</a> [microsoft.com] botnet  starts to electrocute drivers.</p><p>Yours In Perm,<br>Kilgore Trout</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>of the Waldac [ microsoft.com ] botnet starts to electrocute drivers.Yours In Perm,Kilgore Trout</tokentext>
<sentencetext>of the Waldac [microsoft.com] botnet  starts to electrocute drivers.Yours In Perm,Kilgore Trout</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501218</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1268733000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;America should let the free market come up with at least 3 competing, mutually incompatible charging standards</p><p>How do you think America came-up with standardized electric plugs today?  Or firehose connections?  Or timezones?  It wasn't via government mandate, but by voluntary association between companies to make their systems compatible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; America should let the free market come up with at least 3 competing , mutually incompatible charging standardsHow do you think America came-up with standardized electric plugs today ?
Or firehose connections ?
Or timezones ?
It was n't via government mandate , but by voluntary association between companies to make their systems compatible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;America should let the free market come up with at least 3 competing, mutually incompatible charging standardsHow do you think America came-up with standardized electric plugs today?
Or firehose connections?
Or timezones?
It wasn't via government mandate, but by voluntary association between companies to make their systems compatible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31505048</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>merreborn</author>
	<datestamp>1268762640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SAE J1772 maxes out at 16.8 kW according to the wikipedia article you linked.  It takes <a href="http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2008/07/32-hours-needed-to-charge-tesla-using-15-amp-110-volt-outlet.html" title="insideline.com">3.5 hours to charge a tesla roadster</a> [insideline.com] at that wattage.  If you want to charge your Tesla in 15 minutes, you're gonna need 14 times as much juice.</p><p>I can see why the Japanese might not be satisfied with that standard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SAE J1772 maxes out at 16.8 kW according to the wikipedia article you linked .
It takes 3.5 hours to charge a tesla roadster [ insideline.com ] at that wattage .
If you want to charge your Tesla in 15 minutes , you 're gon na need 14 times as much juice.I can see why the Japanese might not be satisfied with that standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SAE J1772 maxes out at 16.8 kW according to the wikipedia article you linked.
It takes 3.5 hours to charge a tesla roadster [insideline.com] at that wattage.
If you want to charge your Tesla in 15 minutes, you're gonna need 14 times as much juice.I can see why the Japanese might not be satisfied with that standard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501292</id>
	<title>I have that problem all the time</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1268733360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm glad they're finally solving the problem of incompatible car chargers. Just about all my friends have had that problem with their electric vehicles. It's a huge problem. It makes sense for them to attack this, considering how they already solved the problem of incompatible cellphone chargers long ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad they 're finally solving the problem of incompatible car chargers .
Just about all my friends have had that problem with their electric vehicles .
It 's a huge problem .
It makes sense for them to attack this , considering how they already solved the problem of incompatible cellphone chargers long ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad they're finally solving the problem of incompatible car chargers.
Just about all my friends have had that problem with their electric vehicles.
It's a huge problem.
It makes sense for them to attack this, considering how they already solved the problem of incompatible cellphone chargers long ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501666</id>
	<title>Re:a sad day</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268735340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually it is seeming like a step in the right direction, which I guess is sad in its own way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually it is seeming like a step in the right direction , which I guess is sad in its own way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually it is seeming like a step in the right direction, which I guess is sad in its own way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501282</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268733360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The communist way would be much better people waiting in long lines to use the only recharge station because nobody is motivated to innovate except for the threat of the trips to the gulag, I mean reeducation camp, wait no work camp.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The communist way would be much better people waiting in long lines to use the only recharge station because nobody is motivated to innovate except for the threat of the trips to the gulag , I mean reeducation camp , wait no work camp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The communist way would be much better people waiting in long lines to use the only recharge station because nobody is motivated to innovate except for the threat of the trips to the gulag, I mean reeducation camp, wait no work camp.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31504880</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1268760120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, and we need to stop using those namby pamby measurements like Volts and Watts. We need some real <em>American</em> measurements, like Lightning Bolts, Zappers, and Toadsfeet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and we need to stop using those namby pamby measurements like Volts and Watts .
We need some real American measurements , like Lightning Bolts , Zappers , and Toadsfeet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and we need to stop using those namby pamby measurements like Volts and Watts.
We need some real American measurements, like Lightning Bolts, Zappers, and Toadsfeet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501072</id>
	<title>a sad day</title>
	<author>Tumbleweed</author>
	<datestamp>1268732400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a sad day when it rates a news article when someone uses common sense. *sigh*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a sad day when it rates a news article when someone uses common sense .
* sigh *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a sad day when it rates a news article when someone uses common sense.
*sigh*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501432</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268734020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not sure why this is modded funny, I imagine we'll do exactly that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure why this is modded funny , I imagine we 'll do exactly that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure why this is modded funny, I imagine we'll do exactly that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501596</id>
	<title>Re:15 minutes?</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1268734860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, either they're going to use golf carts, or they're planning on using an interface that can squirt insane amounts of power into the car.</p><p>Knowing the Japanese industry, it'll be choice A.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , either they 're going to use golf carts , or they 're planning on using an interface that can squirt insane amounts of power into the car.Knowing the Japanese industry , it 'll be choice A .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, either they're going to use golf carts, or they're planning on using an interface that can squirt insane amounts of power into the car.Knowing the Japanese industry, it'll be choice A.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501754</id>
	<title>Too soon.</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1268735760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's too soon to standardize this.  We don't yet know what will be optimum voltages, currents, or charging times.  Might turn out to be better to use DC or high frequency AC and an inductive scheme.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's too soon to standardize this .
We do n't yet know what will be optimum voltages , currents , or charging times .
Might turn out to be better to use DC or high frequency AC and an inductive scheme .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's too soon to standardize this.
We don't yet know what will be optimum voltages, currents, or charging times.
Might turn out to be better to use DC or high frequency AC and an inductive scheme.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501702</id>
	<title>Induction vs. direct dry contact charging</title>
	<author>kriston</author>
	<datestamp>1268735520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which is more efficient: induction charging, like old Chevrolets, or direct dry contact charging?<br>From what I remember of my induction charging toothbrush it was safe but sure got hot to the touch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is more efficient : induction charging , like old Chevrolets , or direct dry contact charging ? From what I remember of my induction charging toothbrush it was safe but sure got hot to the touch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is more efficient: induction charging, like old Chevrolets, or direct dry contact charging?From what I remember of my induction charging toothbrush it was safe but sure got hot to the touch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31500930</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>Cyberax</author>
	<datestamp>1268731740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, you already have one: SAE J1772 ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE\_J1772" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE\_J1772</a> [wikipedia.org] ).</p><p>Which is going to be used in GM Volt and Nissan Leaf.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , you already have one : SAE J1772 ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE \ _J1772 [ wikipedia.org ] ) .Which is going to be used in GM Volt and Nissan Leaf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, you already have one: SAE J1772 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE\_J1772 [wikipedia.org] ).Which is going to be used in GM Volt and Nissan Leaf.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31500834</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1268731320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You sickening, worthless, un-American, communist. America should let the free market come up with at least 3 competing, mutually incompatible charging standards. Each with its own DRM system to prevent nimbler third parties from offering cheaper alternatives! Ideally, chargers shouldn't even be interoperable between vehicle lines produced by the same company.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You sickening , worthless , un-American , communist .
America should let the free market come up with at least 3 competing , mutually incompatible charging standards .
Each with its own DRM system to prevent nimbler third parties from offering cheaper alternatives !
Ideally , chargers should n't even be interoperable between vehicle lines produced by the same company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You sickening, worthless, un-American, communist.
America should let the free market come up with at least 3 competing, mutually incompatible charging standards.
Each with its own DRM system to prevent nimbler third parties from offering cheaper alternatives!
Ideally, chargers shouldn't even be interoperable between vehicle lines produced by the same company.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501520</id>
	<title>Re:whats the point?</title>
	<author>chill</author>
	<datestamp>1268734500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Feel free to ask that question in any city that has "smog" problems for a quick answer.  Power plants can be located outside city limits and easier to apply scrubbers to than a few million, small, mobile pollutant sources.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Feel free to ask that question in any city that has " smog " problems for a quick answer .
Power plants can be located outside city limits and easier to apply scrubbers to than a few million , small , mobile pollutant sources .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Feel free to ask that question in any city that has "smog" problems for a quick answer.
Power plants can be located outside city limits and easier to apply scrubbers to than a few million, small, mobile pollutant sources.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31503028</id>
	<title>Charging stations in Japan</title>
	<author>Hebetsubeach</author>
	<datestamp>1268742840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Charging stations in Japan will be very common. Some of the convenience store chains such as Lawson which has over 9,500 stores in Japan, are planning on having charging stations at their stores which have parking lots. So are supermarkets. The charging stations won't be limited to current gasoline stations. Eventually many places where you park will have charging facilities so there will be little waiting time for someone to charge up as happens at gas stations. And unlike gas stations where you go specifically to gas up, many of the charging facilities in Japan will be at locations where you plan on spending time shopping or doing something. You won't just be waiting for your car to charge. This is why Japan is working on a standard now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Charging stations in Japan will be very common .
Some of the convenience store chains such as Lawson which has over 9,500 stores in Japan , are planning on having charging stations at their stores which have parking lots .
So are supermarkets .
The charging stations wo n't be limited to current gasoline stations .
Eventually many places where you park will have charging facilities so there will be little waiting time for someone to charge up as happens at gas stations .
And unlike gas stations where you go specifically to gas up , many of the charging facilities in Japan will be at locations where you plan on spending time shopping or doing something .
You wo n't just be waiting for your car to charge .
This is why Japan is working on a standard now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Charging stations in Japan will be very common.
Some of the convenience store chains such as Lawson which has over 9,500 stores in Japan, are planning on having charging stations at their stores which have parking lots.
So are supermarkets.
The charging stations won't be limited to current gasoline stations.
Eventually many places where you park will have charging facilities so there will be little waiting time for someone to charge up as happens at gas stations.
And unlike gas stations where you go specifically to gas up, many of the charging facilities in Japan will be at locations where you plan on spending time shopping or doing something.
You won't just be waiting for your car to charge.
This is why Japan is working on a standard now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31505208</id>
	<title>better idea</title>
	<author>ILuvRamen</author>
	<datestamp>1268765400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have an idea of what to do during the 15 minutes.  You can go into the "gas station" and get some snacks and sit around and be a fat ass OR you can save money by hopping on a bike attached to an alternator to help charge it.  That'd be money-saving cheaper energy, green energy, something to do, and cardio/weight loss.  That would go absolutely insane in popularity here in the US.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an idea of what to do during the 15 minutes .
You can go into the " gas station " and get some snacks and sit around and be a fat ass OR you can save money by hopping on a bike attached to an alternator to help charge it .
That 'd be money-saving cheaper energy , green energy , something to do , and cardio/weight loss .
That would go absolutely insane in popularity here in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an idea of what to do during the 15 minutes.
You can go into the "gas station" and get some snacks and sit around and be a fat ass OR you can save money by hopping on a bike attached to an alternator to help charge it.
That'd be money-saving cheaper energy, green energy, something to do, and cardio/weight loss.
That would go absolutely insane in popularity here in the US.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31504226</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>Rich0</author>
	<datestamp>1268753220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the Japanese aren't exactly perfect at following international standards, either.</p><p>If I'm not mistaken they don't use ordinary GSM (at least, a European I knew couldn't get his cell phone to work there a few years ago), and I think they use a different HDTV standard as well.</p><p>The country also has two different power frequencies, and I could never figure out how many digits long the phone numbers were supposed to be since it apparently seems to vary by telco.  Granted, neither of these are international standards.</p><p>The Japanese tend to push the envelope, which often means they can't wait and see what the standard ends up being.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the Japanese are n't exactly perfect at following international standards , either.If I 'm not mistaken they do n't use ordinary GSM ( at least , a European I knew could n't get his cell phone to work there a few years ago ) , and I think they use a different HDTV standard as well.The country also has two different power frequencies , and I could never figure out how many digits long the phone numbers were supposed to be since it apparently seems to vary by telco .
Granted , neither of these are international standards.The Japanese tend to push the envelope , which often means they ca n't wait and see what the standard ends up being .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the Japanese aren't exactly perfect at following international standards, either.If I'm not mistaken they don't use ordinary GSM (at least, a European I knew couldn't get his cell phone to work there a few years ago), and I think they use a different HDTV standard as well.The country also has two different power frequencies, and I could never figure out how many digits long the phone numbers were supposed to be since it apparently seems to vary by telco.
Granted, neither of these are international standards.The Japanese tend to push the envelope, which often means they can't wait and see what the standard ends up being.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501786</id>
	<title>Re:whats the point?</title>
	<author>BobPaul</author>
	<datestamp>1268735940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How efficient is your lawn mower? Not nearly as efficient as your automobile, is it? The car is bigger, so it's easier to get higher efficiencies. Now compare your car to a diesel locomotive. The locomotive is far more efficient than your car. Now compare the locomotive to a coal fired power plant. As bad as coal fired plants are, they are (especially the new ones) far more efficient than even the locomotive.</p><p>If everything ran on electric, we'd still be burning fossil fuels, but we'd be burning them more efficiently. And while you'll never ever ever be able to stick a CO2 scrubber on your car exhaust and sequester that under the ground, this is something that is quite possible (though perhaps too expensive to ever happen on a large scale) with a stationary coal plant.</p><p>And then there's always the possibility that we can use Uranium Nuclear, Thorium Nuclear, Wind, Solar, Hydro, Tidal, Wave, Geo-thermal, and a whole series of other sources for the electricity that don't emit carbon.</p><p>So, not just 'a bit off-topic'; 'a bit not thought out'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How efficient is your lawn mower ?
Not nearly as efficient as your automobile , is it ?
The car is bigger , so it 's easier to get higher efficiencies .
Now compare your car to a diesel locomotive .
The locomotive is far more efficient than your car .
Now compare the locomotive to a coal fired power plant .
As bad as coal fired plants are , they are ( especially the new ones ) far more efficient than even the locomotive.If everything ran on electric , we 'd still be burning fossil fuels , but we 'd be burning them more efficiently .
And while you 'll never ever ever be able to stick a CO2 scrubber on your car exhaust and sequester that under the ground , this is something that is quite possible ( though perhaps too expensive to ever happen on a large scale ) with a stationary coal plant.And then there 's always the possibility that we can use Uranium Nuclear , Thorium Nuclear , Wind , Solar , Hydro , Tidal , Wave , Geo-thermal , and a whole series of other sources for the electricity that do n't emit carbon.So , not just 'a bit off-topic ' ; 'a bit not thought out' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How efficient is your lawn mower?
Not nearly as efficient as your automobile, is it?
The car is bigger, so it's easier to get higher efficiencies.
Now compare your car to a diesel locomotive.
The locomotive is far more efficient than your car.
Now compare the locomotive to a coal fired power plant.
As bad as coal fired plants are, they are (especially the new ones) far more efficient than even the locomotive.If everything ran on electric, we'd still be burning fossil fuels, but we'd be burning them more efficiently.
And while you'll never ever ever be able to stick a CO2 scrubber on your car exhaust and sequester that under the ground, this is something that is quite possible (though perhaps too expensive to ever happen on a large scale) with a stationary coal plant.And then there's always the possibility that we can use Uranium Nuclear, Thorium Nuclear, Wind, Solar, Hydro, Tidal, Wave, Geo-thermal, and a whole series of other sources for the electricity that don't emit carbon.So, not just 'a bit off-topic'; 'a bit not thought out'.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501664</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268735340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have no idea whether he is right or wrong, but how is this a troll???</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no idea whether he is right or wrong , but how is this a troll ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no idea whether he is right or wrong, but how is this a troll??
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31508808</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1268842140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Though in all seriousness the amount of cars that are imported/exported say between markets (Japan, Europe, North America, Asia) are small.</p><p>Also the plugs are all different in all those places, as are all the voltages.</p><p>Hell the steering wheel isn't on the same side.</p><p>So having different standards in different market areas isn't really a big deal, and will likely happen anyway as it makes sense.</p><p>That said I would rather see a rational standard created that makes sense than one based on a free market... Mostly because the idea of a free market is mostly so much fiction. Particularly now in the auto industry. Seeing as both Canada and USA governments have such a large stake in the industry now, I would rather see a joint government commission decide (given choices from industry) what standard to use in North America.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Though in all seriousness the amount of cars that are imported/exported say between markets ( Japan , Europe , North America , Asia ) are small.Also the plugs are all different in all those places , as are all the voltages.Hell the steering wheel is n't on the same side.So having different standards in different market areas is n't really a big deal , and will likely happen anyway as it makes sense.That said I would rather see a rational standard created that makes sense than one based on a free market... Mostly because the idea of a free market is mostly so much fiction .
Particularly now in the auto industry .
Seeing as both Canada and USA governments have such a large stake in the industry now , I would rather see a joint government commission decide ( given choices from industry ) what standard to use in North America .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Though in all seriousness the amount of cars that are imported/exported say between markets (Japan, Europe, North America, Asia) are small.Also the plugs are all different in all those places, as are all the voltages.Hell the steering wheel isn't on the same side.So having different standards in different market areas isn't really a big deal, and will likely happen anyway as it makes sense.That said I would rather see a rational standard created that makes sense than one based on a free market... Mostly because the idea of a free market is mostly so much fiction.
Particularly now in the auto industry.
Seeing as both Canada and USA governments have such a large stake in the industry now, I would rather see a joint government commission decide (given choices from industry) what standard to use in North America.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501202</id>
	<title>I need a Powermat for my Prius</title>
	<author>gimmebeer</author>
	<datestamp>1268733000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Plugging stuff in takes way too long.  Park it on your Powermat for a bit and you're done.  Or better yet, build roads out of Powermats!  How I'm not a billionaire yet I can't understand...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plugging stuff in takes way too long .
Park it on your Powermat for a bit and you 're done .
Or better yet , build roads out of Powermats !
How I 'm not a billionaire yet I ca n't understand.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plugging stuff in takes way too long.
Park it on your Powermat for a bit and you're done.
Or better yet, build roads out of Powermats!
How I'm not a billionaire yet I can't understand...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31501724</id>
	<title>Re:15 minutes?</title>
	<author>BobPaul</author>
	<datestamp>1268735580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's mostly a sourcing problem. If you only have a 20Amp source, you can't ever charge at a rate greater than 20Amps. The thing is (and this varies quite a bit in the specifics with battery type), as a rule of thumb for the first 80\% you can charge at extremely high charge rates. This is because internal resistance builds as you put charge into the battery.</p><p>You've probably seen 15minute quick chargers for AA NiMH and NiCAD batteries. These charge the first 80\% or so with extremely high currents and then drop down to some fraction of C after that point as it builds towards full charge. Lithium based batteries can generally sustain even higher initial charge currents than Nickel based batteries, but are more prone to explosion if you don't monitor changes in heat and internal resistance accurately. So the 15minutes quoted by the OP is totally realistic if the charge station could meet the current demands (ie, is at an electrical substation, has battery or super cap packs charged during off-hours on site, etc), but there really is no reason for the OP to have said 15+ instead of 3+, 60-, or "time it takes to charge".</p><p>Keep in mind, the 3.5hours you quote for Tesla is only on 240V service at 20A. 120V service at 20A takes 7-8hours. 240V at 40A or 440V at 20A might be closer to 2hours. And that's for the Tesla, which has a pretty wide range. A light weight commuter electric might only have 40-60miles of charge, so a full charge at standard 240V might only be an hour, meaning high current quick charges could be even faster.</p></div>
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<tokenext>That 's mostly a sourcing problem .
If you only have a 20Amp source , you ca n't ever charge at a rate greater than 20Amps .
The thing is ( and this varies quite a bit in the specifics with battery type ) , as a rule of thumb for the first 80 \ % you can charge at extremely high charge rates .
This is because internal resistance builds as you put charge into the battery.You 've probably seen 15minute quick chargers for AA NiMH and NiCAD batteries .
These charge the first 80 \ % or so with extremely high currents and then drop down to some fraction of C after that point as it builds towards full charge .
Lithium based batteries can generally sustain even higher initial charge currents than Nickel based batteries , but are more prone to explosion if you do n't monitor changes in heat and internal resistance accurately .
So the 15minutes quoted by the OP is totally realistic if the charge station could meet the current demands ( ie , is at an electrical substation , has battery or super cap packs charged during off-hours on site , etc ) , but there really is no reason for the OP to have said 15 + instead of 3 + , 60- , or " time it takes to charge " .Keep in mind , the 3.5hours you quote for Tesla is only on 240V service at 20A .
120V service at 20A takes 7-8hours .
240V at 40A or 440V at 20A might be closer to 2hours .
And that 's for the Tesla , which has a pretty wide range .
A light weight commuter electric might only have 40-60miles of charge , so a full charge at standard 240V might only be an hour , meaning high current quick charges could be even faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's mostly a sourcing problem.
If you only have a 20Amp source, you can't ever charge at a rate greater than 20Amps.
The thing is (and this varies quite a bit in the specifics with battery type), as a rule of thumb for the first 80\% you can charge at extremely high charge rates.
This is because internal resistance builds as you put charge into the battery.You've probably seen 15minute quick chargers for AA NiMH and NiCAD batteries.
These charge the first 80\% or so with extremely high currents and then drop down to some fraction of C after that point as it builds towards full charge.
Lithium based batteries can generally sustain even higher initial charge currents than Nickel based batteries, but are more prone to explosion if you don't monitor changes in heat and internal resistance accurately.
So the 15minutes quoted by the OP is totally realistic if the charge station could meet the current demands (ie, is at an electrical substation, has battery or super cap packs charged during off-hours on site, etc), but there really is no reason for the OP to have said 15+ instead of 3+, 60-, or "time it takes to charge".Keep in mind, the 3.5hours you quote for Tesla is only on 240V service at 20A.
120V service at 20A takes 7-8hours.
240V at 40A or 440V at 20A might be closer to 2hours.
And that's for the Tesla, which has a pretty wide range.
A light weight commuter electric might only have 40-60miles of charge, so a full charge at standard 240V might only be an hour, meaning high current quick charges could be even faster.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1822235.31500722</id>
	<title>Re:Quick</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268730780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We will sponsor a new standard with our Chinese allies. We shall dub it, "CHAD" Chinese hatred, American domination.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We will sponsor a new standard with our Chinese allies .
We shall dub it , " CHAD " Chinese hatred , American domination .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We will sponsor a new standard with our Chinese allies.
We shall dub it, "CHAD" Chinese hatred, American domination.</sentencetext>
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