<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_16_1811259</id>
	<title>Waledac Botnet Now Completely Offline, Experts Say</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1268767080000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Trailrunner7 writes <i>"After Microsoft's actions to <a href="//it.slashdot.org/story/10/02/25/1310259/Microsoft-Secretly-Beheads-Notorious-Waledac-Botnet">take down the Waledac botnet</a> last month, there was some question about whether the operation was much more than a grab for headlines that would have little effect on actual spam levels or malware infections. But more than three weeks after the takedown, researchers say that Waledac has essentially <a href="http://threatpost.com/en\_us/blogs/waledac-botnet-now-completely-dead-experts-say-031610">ceased communications and its spam operations have dropped to near zero</a>. One researcher said that Waledac now seems to be abandoned. 'It looks crippled, if not dead,' said Jose Nazario, a senior security researcher at Arbor Networks."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Trailrunner7 writes " After Microsoft 's actions to take down the Waledac botnet last month , there was some question about whether the operation was much more than a grab for headlines that would have little effect on actual spam levels or malware infections .
But more than three weeks after the takedown , researchers say that Waledac has essentially ceased communications and its spam operations have dropped to near zero .
One researcher said that Waledac now seems to be abandoned .
'It looks crippled , if not dead, ' said Jose Nazario , a senior security researcher at Arbor Networks .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trailrunner7 writes "After Microsoft's actions to take down the Waledac botnet last month, there was some question about whether the operation was much more than a grab for headlines that would have little effect on actual spam levels or malware infections.
But more than three weeks after the takedown, researchers say that Waledac has essentially ceased communications and its spam operations have dropped to near zero.
One researcher said that Waledac now seems to be abandoned.
'It looks crippled, if not dead,' said Jose Nazario, a senior security researcher at Arbor Networks.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31507862</id>
	<title>Re:Is spam really still a problem?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1268838000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My spam folder has been up over 15,000. Right now it's at 3,524. I get one or two spams per day, although frankly I think google is putting them there deliberately to get them checked off by me, because I'm a good spam classifier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My spam folder has been up over 15,000 .
Right now it 's at 3,524 .
I get one or two spams per day , although frankly I think google is putting them there deliberately to get them checked off by me , because I 'm a good spam classifier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My spam folder has been up over 15,000.
Right now it's at 3,524.
I get one or two spams per day, although frankly I think google is putting them there deliberately to get them checked off by me, because I'm a good spam classifier.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31502948</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500562</id>
	<title>to all Waledac clients</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268773140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>our botnet is just down for a couple of hours due to maintainance. we'll back online soon and kindly apologize for any inconvenience caused.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>our botnet is just down for a couple of hours due to maintainance .
we 'll back online soon and kindly apologize for any inconvenience caused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>our botnet is just down for a couple of hours due to maintainance.
we'll back online soon and kindly apologize for any inconvenience caused.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500062</id>
	<title>Still however useless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268770980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>question about whether the operation was much more than a grab for headlines that would have little effect on actual spam levels or malware infections</p></div></blockquote><p>
I think everyone knew the answer was, no it will not have an effect on spam levels or malware infections. Oh it succeeded in taking the botnet offline, MS did something real here, but taking just one offline doesn't mean much.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>question about whether the operation was much more than a grab for headlines that would have little effect on actual spam levels or malware infections I think everyone knew the answer was , no it will not have an effect on spam levels or malware infections .
Oh it succeeded in taking the botnet offline , MS did something real here , but taking just one offline does n't mean much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>question about whether the operation was much more than a grab for headlines that would have little effect on actual spam levels or malware infections
I think everyone knew the answer was, no it will not have an effect on spam levels or malware infections.
Oh it succeeded in taking the botnet offline, MS did something real here, but taking just one offline doesn't mean much.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500684</id>
	<title>Cool!</title>
	<author>Zamphatta</author>
	<datestamp>1268730600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh, this must be why my spam messages went from over 300 per day, down to just around 20-30 in the past couple weeks. Here I thought Gmail improved their spam filters.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , this must be why my spam messages went from over 300 per day , down to just around 20-30 in the past couple weeks .
Here I thought Gmail improved their spam filters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, this must be why my spam messages went from over 300 per day, down to just around 20-30 in the past couple weeks.
Here I thought Gmail improved their spam filters.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500854</id>
	<title>tell microsoft to *stop* fixing bugs</title>
	<author>h00manist</author>
	<datestamp>1268731380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now they want to kill spam and viruses. Sheesh.  I thought they were all about <i> <b>generating</b> </i> jobs, not killing them. If they keep killing botnets and viruses and stop creating widely-deployed web browsers and operating systems with no reliability and security, who's going to keep paying us to keep fixing these things all the time?  Tell them to bring back win98 and the com2: irq conflicted dial-up modems. That was great, generated tech calls all day long. At least we have usb, fast-mutating, and browser-installed viruses now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now they want to kill spam and viruses .
Sheesh. I thought they were all about generating jobs , not killing them .
If they keep killing botnets and viruses and stop creating widely-deployed web browsers and operating systems with no reliability and security , who 's going to keep paying us to keep fixing these things all the time ?
Tell them to bring back win98 and the com2 : irq conflicted dial-up modems .
That was great , generated tech calls all day long .
At least we have usb , fast-mutating , and browser-installed viruses now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now they want to kill spam and viruses.
Sheesh.  I thought they were all about  generating  jobs, not killing them.
If they keep killing botnets and viruses and stop creating widely-deployed web browsers and operating systems with no reliability and security, who's going to keep paying us to keep fixing these things all the time?
Tell them to bring back win98 and the com2: irq conflicted dial-up modems.
That was great, generated tech calls all day long.
At least we have usb, fast-mutating, and browser-installed viruses now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500020</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31507516</id>
	<title>SO what....</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1268836320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tell me you took down the Zeus botnet, then I will say you accomplished something, but of course the least dangerous botnet will be easier to take down, even the script kiddies know to cycle their botnets, and out with the old in with the new. So what if the botnet you took down is old and degenerate and has almost no spam left attached to its name, you can still make a name for yourself by taking it down, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell me you took down the Zeus botnet , then I will say you accomplished something , but of course the least dangerous botnet will be easier to take down , even the script kiddies know to cycle their botnets , and out with the old in with the new .
So what if the botnet you took down is old and degenerate and has almost no spam left attached to its name , you can still make a name for yourself by taking it down , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell me you took down the Zeus botnet, then I will say you accomplished something, but of course the least dangerous botnet will be easier to take down, even the script kiddies know to cycle their botnets, and out with the old in with the new.
So what if the botnet you took down is old and degenerate and has almost no spam left attached to its name, you can still make a name for yourself by taking it down, right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31504364</id>
	<title>Waledac?  It's for you.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268754600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.thefatladysingsonline.com/" title="thefatlady...online.com" rel="nofollow">
The fat lady is singing.
</a> [thefatlady...online.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fat lady is singing .
[ thefatlady...online.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The fat lady is singing.
[thefatlady...online.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500696</id>
	<title>I am Muyiwa Ige</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268730660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>ATTN.: sir, <br> <br>
I got your contact through email business directory and decided to send my proposal to you. I am MUYIWA IGE the first son of the late chief BOLA IGE,the attorney general of the fedeal rebulic of Nigeria who was killed by hired assasin on the 23rd of december 2001 by an unidentified gun men believed to be link to
our government of which it is a daily case going on in my country's dailies now. <br> <br>

Two months ago he was attempted to be murdered but
unfortunately God speared his life for us.It was then he had to reveal some vital informations as regards his life to me before he was finally killed in december. All accounts belonging to my father both local and abroad had been frozen and his investments seized by the government believing in thier false allegation that he made away of $2 billion dollars of (NEPA)national electricity power authority of which i know is just a ploy to eliminate him by the people in
power that he is fustrating thier evil intentions
through the human right pubic hearing for violation of right and cruelsome killings during the military regime to carry out thier traits to suffer the mases for thier selfish interest instead of the interest of the nation.We are now in a dileman as ou live are in danger till after the investigations. <br> <br>

Two weeks to the christmas holiday in 2001 being on the 4th of december,my dad spoke to me at lenght about life and it realities<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.He told me he deposited a trunk box containing us$25.5m with a security in EAUROPE(UK) all in the aim of retrieving it himself before he was finally killed before the christmas. According to him
the content of the box was registered as government classified papers with his influence and was moved out of my country through diplomatic courrier.He wanted to safeguard the funds for foriegn investment after his
retirement before he was killed.<br> <br>

In the light of this as the next of kin i am now
contacting you a foreigner to assist ME in retrieving the boxes and depositing of the fund into your foreign account hence the need to
contact you. I and my mother had agreed to give you 30\% of the fund for your assistance and 10\% for any expenses you might incur in the course
of this transaction, we want to believe that you will not sit on the money when paid into your account. I want you to understand that there
is no risk involve as we have worked out modalities for the smooth actualization of this goal. The boxes presently is in a security vault
of this company in their offshore office in
SPAIN.i will require the following for effecting
the documents of claim and identification.: <br> <br>

1] Your driving license to assure us of your person <br> <br>

2] Your private telephone and fax numbers.<br> <br>

I will send the following:<br>
3] The receipt of the ware bill used in sending the boxes<br>
4] The deposit certificate<br> <br> <br>



All these will be send through YOUR FAX NUMBER then you will proceed for claim after due schedule with them.you <br> <br>

I wish to state here that we are left with nothing as we survive by the grace of God. I hope you understand our predicament so as to save me and my family from hopeless future (S.O.S.) <br> <br>

All contacts for now should be through my personal email address for security reasons.<br> <br>

Waiting your urgent response. <br> <br>

Best regards, <br> <br>

MUYIWA IGE.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ATTN .
: sir , I got your contact through email business directory and decided to send my proposal to you .
I am MUYIWA IGE the first son of the late chief BOLA IGE,the attorney general of the fedeal rebulic of Nigeria who was killed by hired assasin on the 23rd of december 2001 by an unidentified gun men believed to be link to our government of which it is a daily case going on in my country 's dailies now .
Two months ago he was attempted to be murdered but unfortunately God speared his life for us.It was then he had to reveal some vital informations as regards his life to me before he was finally killed in december .
All accounts belonging to my father both local and abroad had been frozen and his investments seized by the government believing in thier false allegation that he made away of $ 2 billion dollars of ( NEPA ) national electricity power authority of which i know is just a ploy to eliminate him by the people in power that he is fustrating thier evil intentions through the human right pubic hearing for violation of right and cruelsome killings during the military regime to carry out thier traits to suffer the mases for thier selfish interest instead of the interest of the nation.We are now in a dileman as ou live are in danger till after the investigations .
Two weeks to the christmas holiday in 2001 being on the 4th of december,my dad spoke to me at lenght about life and it realities .He told me he deposited a trunk box containing us $ 25.5m with a security in EAUROPE ( UK ) all in the aim of retrieving it himself before he was finally killed before the christmas .
According to him the content of the box was registered as government classified papers with his influence and was moved out of my country through diplomatic courrier.He wanted to safeguard the funds for foriegn investment after his retirement before he was killed .
In the light of this as the next of kin i am now contacting you a foreigner to assist ME in retrieving the boxes and depositing of the fund into your foreign account hence the need to contact you .
I and my mother had agreed to give you 30 \ % of the fund for your assistance and 10 \ % for any expenses you might incur in the course of this transaction , we want to believe that you will not sit on the money when paid into your account .
I want you to understand that there is no risk involve as we have worked out modalities for the smooth actualization of this goal .
The boxes presently is in a security vault of this company in their offshore office in SPAIN.i will require the following for effecting the documents of claim and identification .
: 1 ] Your driving license to assure us of your person 2 ] Your private telephone and fax numbers .
I will send the following : 3 ] The receipt of the ware bill used in sending the boxes 4 ] The deposit certificate All these will be send through YOUR FAX NUMBER then you will proceed for claim after due schedule with them.you I wish to state here that we are left with nothing as we survive by the grace of God .
I hope you understand our predicament so as to save me and my family from hopeless future ( S.O.S .
) All contacts for now should be through my personal email address for security reasons .
Waiting your urgent response .
Best regards , MUYIWA IGE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ATTN.
: sir,  
I got your contact through email business directory and decided to send my proposal to you.
I am MUYIWA IGE the first son of the late chief BOLA IGE,the attorney general of the fedeal rebulic of Nigeria who was killed by hired assasin on the 23rd of december 2001 by an unidentified gun men believed to be link to
our government of which it is a daily case going on in my country's dailies now.
Two months ago he was attempted to be murdered but
unfortunately God speared his life for us.It was then he had to reveal some vital informations as regards his life to me before he was finally killed in december.
All accounts belonging to my father both local and abroad had been frozen and his investments seized by the government believing in thier false allegation that he made away of $2 billion dollars of (NEPA)national electricity power authority of which i know is just a ploy to eliminate him by the people in
power that he is fustrating thier evil intentions
through the human right pubic hearing for violation of right and cruelsome killings during the military regime to carry out thier traits to suffer the mases for thier selfish interest instead of the interest of the nation.We are now in a dileman as ou live are in danger till after the investigations.
Two weeks to the christmas holiday in 2001 being on the 4th of december,my dad spoke to me at lenght about life and it realities .He told me he deposited a trunk box containing us$25.5m with a security in EAUROPE(UK) all in the aim of retrieving it himself before he was finally killed before the christmas.
According to him
the content of the box was registered as government classified papers with his influence and was moved out of my country through diplomatic courrier.He wanted to safeguard the funds for foriegn investment after his
retirement before he was killed.
In the light of this as the next of kin i am now
contacting you a foreigner to assist ME in retrieving the boxes and depositing of the fund into your foreign account hence the need to
contact you.
I and my mother had agreed to give you 30\% of the fund for your assistance and 10\% for any expenses you might incur in the course
of this transaction, we want to believe that you will not sit on the money when paid into your account.
I want you to understand that there
is no risk involve as we have worked out modalities for the smooth actualization of this goal.
The boxes presently is in a security vault
of this company in their offshore office in
SPAIN.i will require the following for effecting
the documents of claim and identification.
:  

1] Your driving license to assure us of your person  

2] Your private telephone and fax numbers.
I will send the following:
3] The receipt of the ware bill used in sending the boxes
4] The deposit certificate  



All these will be send through YOUR FAX NUMBER then you will proceed for claim after due schedule with them.you  

I wish to state here that we are left with nothing as we survive by the grace of God.
I hope you understand our predicament so as to save me and my family from hopeless future (S.O.S.
)  

All contacts for now should be through my personal email address for security reasons.
Waiting your urgent response.
Best regards,  

MUYIWA IGE.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31504108</id>
	<title>Re:Still however useless</title>
	<author>countertrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1268752320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Hardly any botnets become big.</i></p><p>They don't have to become big once they reach their target. Too big attracts unwanted attention.. Expect more focus and a more "subtle" approach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hardly any botnets become big.They do n't have to become big once they reach their target .
Too big attracts unwanted attention.. Expect more focus and a more " subtle " approach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hardly any botnets become big.They don't have to become big once they reach their target.
Too big attracts unwanted attention.. Expect more focus and a more "subtle" approach.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500588</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500190</id>
	<title>MS is more clever?</title>
	<author>fragmentate</author>
	<datestamp>1268771580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm finding it hard to believe that MS brought down the behemoth by secretly bringing down those domain names.</p><p>On the other hand, maybe the little miscreants that created this botnet actually made the assumption that the domains couldn't be suspended.  That still brings up the question, how long can this court-ordered suspension really last?  Indefinitely is not a definite answer.</p><p>Going to go check my spam folder now... maybe it's got less crap in it now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm finding it hard to believe that MS brought down the behemoth by secretly bringing down those domain names.On the other hand , maybe the little miscreants that created this botnet actually made the assumption that the domains could n't be suspended .
That still brings up the question , how long can this court-ordered suspension really last ?
Indefinitely is not a definite answer.Going to go check my spam folder now... maybe it 's got less crap in it now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm finding it hard to believe that MS brought down the behemoth by secretly bringing down those domain names.On the other hand, maybe the little miscreants that created this botnet actually made the assumption that the domains couldn't be suspended.
That still brings up the question, how long can this court-ordered suspension really last?
Indefinitely is not a definite answer.Going to go check my spam folder now... maybe it's got less crap in it now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500862</id>
	<title>Re:How about taking down...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268731440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well their intent is to keep selling Windows..</p><p> The Ubuntu community is dedicated to fight the cause.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well their intent is to keep selling Windows.. The Ubuntu community is dedicated to fight the cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well their intent is to keep selling Windows.. The Ubuntu community is dedicated to fight the cause.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500524</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500254</id>
	<title>Somehow, I don't think he's dead yet, Jum</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268771820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Main characters seldom die off, not unless they've moved to a new show.  So, figure he'll be back, meaner and badder than ever.  It's just too much like taking candy from a baby not to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Main characters seldom die off , not unless they 've moved to a new show .
So , figure he 'll be back , meaner and badder than ever .
It 's just too much like taking candy from a baby not to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Main characters seldom die off, not unless they've moved to a new show.
So, figure he'll be back, meaner and badder than ever.
It's just too much like taking candy from a baby not to.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31501472</id>
	<title>I am Muyiwa Ige, son of the late chief Bola Ige</title>
	<author>zkp</author>
	<datestamp>1268734260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>FROM: MUYIWA IGE<br> <br>

ATTN.: sir,<br>
I got your contact through email business directory
and decided to send my proposal to you. I am MUYIWA
IGE the first son of the late chief BOLA IGE,the
attorney general of th e fedeal rebulic of Nigeria who
was killed by hired assasin on the 23rd of december
2001 by an unidentified gun men believed to be link to
our government of which it is a daily case going on in
my country;s dailies now.<br> <br>

Two months ago he was attempted to be murdered but
unfortunately God speared his life for us.It was then
he had to reveal some vital informations as regards
his life to me before he was finally killed in
december. All accounts belonging to my father both
local and abroad had been frozen and his investments seized by the
government believing in thier false allegation that he made away of $2
billion dollars of
(NEPA)national electricity power authority of which i
know is just a ploy to eliminate him by the people in
power that he is fustrating thier evil intentions
through the human right pubic hearing for violation of
right and cruelsome killings during the military
regime to carry out thier traits to suffer the mases
for thier selfish interest instead of the interest of
the nation.We are now in a dileman as ou live are in
danger till after the investigations.<br> <br>

Two weeks to the christmas holiday in 2001 being on
the 4th of december,my dad spoke to me at lenght about
life and it realities<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.He told me he deposited a trunk
box containing us$25.5m with a security in EAUROPE(UK)
all in the aim of retrieving it himself before he was
finally killed before the christmas. According to him
the content of the box was registered as government
classified papers with his influence and was moved out
of my country through diplomatic courrier.He wanted to
safeguard the funds for foriegn investment after his
retirement before he was killed.<br> <br>

In the light of this as the next of kin i am now
contacting you a foreigner to assist ME in retrieving the boxes and
depositing of the fund into your foreign account hence the need to
contact you. I and my mother had agreed to give you 30\% of the fund for
your assistance and 10\% for any expenses you might incur in the course
of this transaction, we want to believe that you will not sit on the
money when paid into your account. I want you to understand that there
is no risk involve as we have worked out modalities for the smooth
actualization of this goal. The boxes presently is in a security vault
of this company in their offshore office in
SPAIN.i will require the following for effecting
the documents of claim and identification.:<br> <br>

1] Your driving license to assure us of your person<br> <br>

2] Your private telephone and fax numbers.<br> <br>

I will send the following:<br>
3] The receipt of the ware bill used in sending the
boxes <br>
4] The deposit certificate<br> <br>



All these will be send through YOUR FAX NUMBER then you will proceed for
claim after due schedule with them.you<br> <br>


I wish to state here that we are left with nothing as
we survive by the grace of God. I hope you
understand our predicament so as to save me and my
family from hopeless future (S.O.S.)<br> <br>

All contacts for now should be through my personal email address for
security reasons.<br> <br>

Waiting your urgent response.<br> <br>

Best regards,<br> <br>

MUYIWA IGE.<br> <br>

MY PERSONAL EMAIL <br>ADDRESS(muyiige@mail.com)ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE</htmltext>
<tokenext>FROM : MUYIWA IGE ATTN .
: sir , I got your contact through email business directory and decided to send my proposal to you .
I am MUYIWA IGE the first son of the late chief BOLA IGE,the attorney general of th e fedeal rebulic of Nigeria who was killed by hired assasin on the 23rd of december 2001 by an unidentified gun men believed to be link to our government of which it is a daily case going on in my country ; s dailies now .
Two months ago he was attempted to be murdered but unfortunately God speared his life for us.It was then he had to reveal some vital informations as regards his life to me before he was finally killed in december .
All accounts belonging to my father both local and abroad had been frozen and his investments seized by the government believing in thier false allegation that he made away of $ 2 billion dollars of ( NEPA ) national electricity power authority of which i know is just a ploy to eliminate him by the people in power that he is fustrating thier evil intentions through the human right pubic hearing for violation of right and cruelsome killings during the military regime to carry out thier traits to suffer the mases for thier selfish interest instead of the interest of the nation.We are now in a dileman as ou live are in danger till after the investigations .
Two weeks to the christmas holiday in 2001 being on the 4th of december,my dad spoke to me at lenght about life and it realities .He told me he deposited a trunk box containing us $ 25.5m with a security in EAUROPE ( UK ) all in the aim of retrieving it himself before he was finally killed before the christmas .
According to him the content of the box was registered as government classified papers with his influence and was moved out of my country through diplomatic courrier.He wanted to safeguard the funds for foriegn investment after his retirement before he was killed .
In the light of this as the next of kin i am now contacting you a foreigner to assist ME in retrieving the boxes and depositing of the fund into your foreign account hence the need to contact you .
I and my mother had agreed to give you 30 \ % of the fund for your assistance and 10 \ % for any expenses you might incur in the course of this transaction , we want to believe that you will not sit on the money when paid into your account .
I want you to understand that there is no risk involve as we have worked out modalities for the smooth actualization of this goal .
The boxes presently is in a security vault of this company in their offshore office in SPAIN.i will require the following for effecting the documents of claim and identification .
: 1 ] Your driving license to assure us of your person 2 ] Your private telephone and fax numbers .
I will send the following : 3 ] The receipt of the ware bill used in sending the boxes 4 ] The deposit certificate All these will be send through YOUR FAX NUMBER then you will proceed for claim after due schedule with them.you I wish to state here that we are left with nothing as we survive by the grace of God .
I hope you understand our predicament so as to save me and my family from hopeless future ( S.O.S .
) All contacts for now should be through my personal email address for security reasons .
Waiting your urgent response .
Best regards , MUYIWA IGE .
MY PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS ( muyiige @ mail.com ) ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FROM: MUYIWA IGE 

ATTN.
: sir,
I got your contact through email business directory
and decided to send my proposal to you.
I am MUYIWA
IGE the first son of the late chief BOLA IGE,the
attorney general of th e fedeal rebulic of Nigeria who
was killed by hired assasin on the 23rd of december
2001 by an unidentified gun men believed to be link to
our government of which it is a daily case going on in
my country;s dailies now.
Two months ago he was attempted to be murdered but
unfortunately God speared his life for us.It was then
he had to reveal some vital informations as regards
his life to me before he was finally killed in
december.
All accounts belonging to my father both
local and abroad had been frozen and his investments seized by the
government believing in thier false allegation that he made away of $2
billion dollars of
(NEPA)national electricity power authority of which i
know is just a ploy to eliminate him by the people in
power that he is fustrating thier evil intentions
through the human right pubic hearing for violation of
right and cruelsome killings during the military
regime to carry out thier traits to suffer the mases
for thier selfish interest instead of the interest of
the nation.We are now in a dileman as ou live are in
danger till after the investigations.
Two weeks to the christmas holiday in 2001 being on
the 4th of december,my dad spoke to me at lenght about
life and it realities .He told me he deposited a trunk
box containing us$25.5m with a security in EAUROPE(UK)
all in the aim of retrieving it himself before he was
finally killed before the christmas.
According to him
the content of the box was registered as government
classified papers with his influence and was moved out
of my country through diplomatic courrier.He wanted to
safeguard the funds for foriegn investment after his
retirement before he was killed.
In the light of this as the next of kin i am now
contacting you a foreigner to assist ME in retrieving the boxes and
depositing of the fund into your foreign account hence the need to
contact you.
I and my mother had agreed to give you 30\% of the fund for
your assistance and 10\% for any expenses you might incur in the course
of this transaction, we want to believe that you will not sit on the
money when paid into your account.
I want you to understand that there
is no risk involve as we have worked out modalities for the smooth
actualization of this goal.
The boxes presently is in a security vault
of this company in their offshore office in
SPAIN.i will require the following for effecting
the documents of claim and identification.
: 

1] Your driving license to assure us of your person 

2] Your private telephone and fax numbers.
I will send the following:
3] The receipt of the ware bill used in sending the
boxes 
4] The deposit certificate 



All these will be send through YOUR FAX NUMBER then you will proceed for
claim after due schedule with them.you 


I wish to state here that we are left with nothing as
we survive by the grace of God.
I hope you
understand our predicament so as to save me and my
family from hopeless future (S.O.S.
) 

All contacts for now should be through my personal email address for
security reasons.
Waiting your urgent response.
Best regards, 

MUYIWA IGE.
MY PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS(muyiige@mail.com)ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500020</id>
	<title>When the stars are once again right...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268770800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is not dead which can eternal lie.<br> <br>

And with strange aeons even death may die.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is not dead which can eternal lie .
And with strange aeons even death may die .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange aeons even death may die.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500674</id>
	<title>'It looks crippled, if not dead'</title>
	<author>CODiNE</author>
	<datestamp>1268730540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just like it's maker if he made contracts with the wrong people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like it 's maker if he made contracts with the wrong people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just like it's maker if he made contracts with the wrong people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500664</id>
	<title>Re:MS is more clever?</title>
	<author>techno-vampire</author>
	<datestamp>1268730540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Going to go check my spam folder now... maybe it's got less crap in it now.</i> <p>
My spam folder's had much less in it for about a week now.  I don't know how much of this was caused by bringing down this one botnet, but it must have had some effect, all of it good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Going to go check my spam folder now... maybe it 's got less crap in it now .
My spam folder 's had much less in it for about a week now .
I do n't know how much of this was caused by bringing down this one botnet , but it must have had some effect , all of it good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Going to go check my spam folder now... maybe it's got less crap in it now.
My spam folder's had much less in it for about a week now.
I don't know how much of this was caused by bringing down this one botnet, but it must have had some effect, all of it good.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500190</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500846</id>
	<title>It's not dead...</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1268731380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... it's pining for the fjords!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... it 's pining for the fjords !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... it's pining for the fjords!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500276</id>
	<title>Re:Still however useless</title>
	<author>twidarkling</author>
	<datestamp>1268771940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p> but taking just one offline doesn't mean much.</p></div><div><p>Actually, it does. It means that a botnet CAN be defeated. We constantly see stories about how control servers are up and going again hours or days after some are taken offline. A good step to solving the problem is proving that a solution can actually exist.</p></div></blockquote></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but taking just one offline does n't mean much.Actually , it does .
It means that a botnet CAN be defeated .
We constantly see stories about how control servers are up and going again hours or days after some are taken offline .
A good step to solving the problem is proving that a solution can actually exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> but taking just one offline doesn't mean much.Actually, it does.
It means that a botnet CAN be defeated.
We constantly see stories about how control servers are up and going again hours or days after some are taken offline.
A good step to solving the problem is proving that a solution can actually exist.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500062</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500310</id>
	<title>Re:Still however useless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268772060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was a lot larger than taking down a rogue host.  This is 1,500,000,000 fewer spams per day on the net.</p><p>Cut out two billion spams here and there and pretty soon you're talking about real effectiveness.</p><p>Sure, they could probably do more, but every journey begins with a single step.  Shut down the easy ones first.  Pick the low-hanging fruit.  Then go back and take down another, and another.  At this point it could be all they could get done in a short amount of time, and in any case it's still a good start.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was a lot larger than taking down a rogue host .
This is 1,500,000,000 fewer spams per day on the net.Cut out two billion spams here and there and pretty soon you 're talking about real effectiveness.Sure , they could probably do more , but every journey begins with a single step .
Shut down the easy ones first .
Pick the low-hanging fruit .
Then go back and take down another , and another .
At this point it could be all they could get done in a short amount of time , and in any case it 's still a good start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was a lot larger than taking down a rogue host.
This is 1,500,000,000 fewer spams per day on the net.Cut out two billion spams here and there and pretty soon you're talking about real effectiveness.Sure, they could probably do more, but every journey begins with a single step.
Shut down the easy ones first.
Pick the low-hanging fruit.
Then go back and take down another, and another.
At this point it could be all they could get done in a short amount of time, and in any case it's still a good start.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500062</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31513606</id>
	<title>Re:It's not dead...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268857260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Beautiful plumage, though...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beautiful plumage , though.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beautiful plumage, though...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500846</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500032</id>
	<title>Microsoft kills competition</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1268770860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So Microsoft just killed off one of its competators. Now their "security update" messages will be able to get through easier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So Microsoft just killed off one of its competators .
Now their " security update " messages will be able to get through easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Microsoft just killed off one of its competators.
Now their "security update" messages will be able to get through easier.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500104</id>
	<title>In other words...</title>
	<author>Capt.DrumkenBum</author>
	<datestamp>1268771100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its dead Jim.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its dead Jim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its dead Jim.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31502948</id>
	<title>Is spam really still a problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268742240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure my spam folder always has shit in it, but really none of it ever makes it through Googles spam filters into my inbox.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure my spam folder always has shit in it , but really none of it ever makes it through Googles spam filters into my inbox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure my spam folder always has shit in it, but really none of it ever makes it through Googles spam filters into my inbox.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31501540</id>
	<title>Cast away that which is useless.</title>
	<author>RavenChild</author>
	<datestamp>1268734620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The spammers using this botnet most likely cut it off to work on enlarging another.<br> <br>
Why waste time(read money) repairing something broken when the new, harder to kill version does the same thing in the same time-cost?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The spammers using this botnet most likely cut it off to work on enlarging another .
Why waste time ( read money ) repairing something broken when the new , harder to kill version does the same thing in the same time-cost ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The spammers using this botnet most likely cut it off to work on enlarging another.
Why waste time(read money) repairing something broken when the new, harder to kill version does the same thing in the same time-cost?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500700</id>
	<title>Can a relevant botnet be shut down?</title>
	<author>looney9</author>
	<datestamp>1268730660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll never bemoan a success in the victory against cybercrime, but it would be nice if one of these announcements came against a botnet that was still relevant and sending out large amounts of spam like Rustock. When the trumpet was sounded by Microsoft about the death of the Storm botnet, it was about 18 months since it had been highly relevant.</p><p>As others have said, shutting down individual botnets doesn't have long-term effects.  That lesson was learned when McColo was taken offline.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll never bemoan a success in the victory against cybercrime , but it would be nice if one of these announcements came against a botnet that was still relevant and sending out large amounts of spam like Rustock .
When the trumpet was sounded by Microsoft about the death of the Storm botnet , it was about 18 months since it had been highly relevant.As others have said , shutting down individual botnets does n't have long-term effects .
That lesson was learned when McColo was taken offline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll never bemoan a success in the victory against cybercrime, but it would be nice if one of these announcements came against a botnet that was still relevant and sending out large amounts of spam like Rustock.
When the trumpet was sounded by Microsoft about the death of the Storm botnet, it was about 18 months since it had been highly relevant.As others have said, shutting down individual botnets doesn't have long-term effects.
That lesson was learned when McColo was taken offline.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31501148</id>
	<title>Poor Design</title>
	<author>phantomcircuit</author>
	<datestamp>1268732760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only reason this worked is that the botnet was poorly designed.  It relied on at least one of the command and control servers being available.  If they all get taken down at the same time you destroy the botnet.  This is not how most other botnets work, this is not a tactic that worked against this specific botnet and will not work against other botnets.</p><p>Other botnets generate new domain names fairly regularly.  All the botnet controller needs to do is register one of those domains before it is generated. Good luck getting a court order to ban all the generated domains for the next few years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only reason this worked is that the botnet was poorly designed .
It relied on at least one of the command and control servers being available .
If they all get taken down at the same time you destroy the botnet .
This is not how most other botnets work , this is not a tactic that worked against this specific botnet and will not work against other botnets.Other botnets generate new domain names fairly regularly .
All the botnet controller needs to do is register one of those domains before it is generated .
Good luck getting a court order to ban all the generated domains for the next few years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only reason this worked is that the botnet was poorly designed.
It relied on at least one of the command and control servers being available.
If they all get taken down at the same time you destroy the botnet.
This is not how most other botnets work, this is not a tactic that worked against this specific botnet and will not work against other botnets.Other botnets generate new domain names fairly regularly.
All the botnet controller needs to do is register one of those domains before it is generated.
Good luck getting a court order to ban all the generated domains for the next few years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31502758</id>
	<title>Re:tell microsoft to *stop* fixing bugs</title>
	<author>Lotana</author>
	<datestamp>1268741160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While the parent is intended as a joke, the idea that quality software will put people out of work is quite widespread among people in IT. Which is quite a sad state of affairs as it is such an obvious case of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable\_of\_the\_broken\_window" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">broken window fallacy.</a> [wikipedia.org] Rather then spending resources on fixing up damage, it is much more production to direct it on creation of new things or modifying existing to better meet the demand.</p><p>Is the source of this attitude the built in obsolescence idea from manufacturers? Do developers really think that once the perfect software is delivered the requirements will never again change and never need to be modified? Do they not enjoy adding new features and solutions, and would rather spend their time fixing the broken parts of releases? Even the support personnel should realize that there would still be a need for them in order to answer questions of the new users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While the parent is intended as a joke , the idea that quality software will put people out of work is quite widespread among people in IT .
Which is quite a sad state of affairs as it is such an obvious case of a broken window fallacy .
[ wikipedia.org ] Rather then spending resources on fixing up damage , it is much more production to direct it on creation of new things or modifying existing to better meet the demand.Is the source of this attitude the built in obsolescence idea from manufacturers ?
Do developers really think that once the perfect software is delivered the requirements will never again change and never need to be modified ?
Do they not enjoy adding new features and solutions , and would rather spend their time fixing the broken parts of releases ?
Even the support personnel should realize that there would still be a need for them in order to answer questions of the new users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the parent is intended as a joke, the idea that quality software will put people out of work is quite widespread among people in IT.
Which is quite a sad state of affairs as it is such an obvious case of a broken window fallacy.
[wikipedia.org] Rather then spending resources on fixing up damage, it is much more production to direct it on creation of new things or modifying existing to better meet the demand.Is the source of this attitude the built in obsolescence idea from manufacturers?
Do developers really think that once the perfect software is delivered the requirements will never again change and never need to be modified?
Do they not enjoy adding new features and solutions, and would rather spend their time fixing the broken parts of releases?
Even the support personnel should realize that there would still be a need for them in order to answer questions of the new users.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500854</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31514966</id>
	<title>Re:How about taking down...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268819220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How about taking down...<br>The bloody botnet operator's and malware author's <strong>financer</strong>? Isn't this like fighting the symptoms instead of the cause ?</p></div><p>There, fixed that for you.<br>No need to thank me.<br>But if you got any hot girls...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about taking down...The bloody botnet operator 's and malware author 's financer ?
Is n't this like fighting the symptoms instead of the cause ? There , fixed that for you.No need to thank me.But if you got any hot girls... ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about taking down...The bloody botnet operator's and malware author's financer?
Isn't this like fighting the symptoms instead of the cause ?There, fixed that for you.No need to thank me.But if you got any hot girls... ;)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500524</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500538</id>
	<title>"... if not dead."</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268773020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's restin'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's restin' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's restin'.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500246</id>
	<title>Rise of the machines</title>
	<author>boundary</author>
	<datestamp>1268771820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Waledac will be back... as SkyNet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Waledac will be back... as SkyNet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Waledac will be back... as SkyNet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500588</id>
	<title>Re:Still however useless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268730000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There aren't that many botnets out there. I think most reputable observers peg it at around 6 or 7 big ones, from a spam perspective anyway. So taking one down is actually pretty awesome. Remember when McColo disappeared and spam levels dropped massively overnight? It wasn't that McColo itself pumped out spam, it was that the botnet C&amp;C servers lived there.</p><p>As somebody who actually has to deal with the impacts of large botnets as part of my job at Google, I'd like to congratulate and thank the guys at Microsoft for this victory. Whether it has a noticeable impact on spam or not, it sends a powerful message to people thinking of making their own botnet - it can all end suddenly.</p><p> Building and maintaining a botnet is already pretty hard work<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... between AV firms, Microsofts MSRT, users noticing problems and wiping the OS, removals by rival botnets and generally improving PC security botnet building has gone from something every man and his dog was doing to something very few can do well. Hardly any botnets become big. Most abuse I deal with comes in via bots that are apparently being shared or rented out to different (sometimes competing) spammers. That's an encouraging sign.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are n't that many botnets out there .
I think most reputable observers peg it at around 6 or 7 big ones , from a spam perspective anyway .
So taking one down is actually pretty awesome .
Remember when McColo disappeared and spam levels dropped massively overnight ?
It was n't that McColo itself pumped out spam , it was that the botnet C&amp;C servers lived there.As somebody who actually has to deal with the impacts of large botnets as part of my job at Google , I 'd like to congratulate and thank the guys at Microsoft for this victory .
Whether it has a noticeable impact on spam or not , it sends a powerful message to people thinking of making their own botnet - it can all end suddenly .
Building and maintaining a botnet is already pretty hard work .... between AV firms , Microsofts MSRT , users noticing problems and wiping the OS , removals by rival botnets and generally improving PC security botnet building has gone from something every man and his dog was doing to something very few can do well .
Hardly any botnets become big .
Most abuse I deal with comes in via bots that are apparently being shared or rented out to different ( sometimes competing ) spammers .
That 's an encouraging sign .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There aren't that many botnets out there.
I think most reputable observers peg it at around 6 or 7 big ones, from a spam perspective anyway.
So taking one down is actually pretty awesome.
Remember when McColo disappeared and spam levels dropped massively overnight?
It wasn't that McColo itself pumped out spam, it was that the botnet C&amp;C servers lived there.As somebody who actually has to deal with the impacts of large botnets as part of my job at Google, I'd like to congratulate and thank the guys at Microsoft for this victory.
Whether it has a noticeable impact on spam or not, it sends a powerful message to people thinking of making their own botnet - it can all end suddenly.
Building and maintaining a botnet is already pretty hard work .... between AV firms, Microsofts MSRT, users noticing problems and wiping the OS, removals by rival botnets and generally improving PC security botnet building has gone from something every man and his dog was doing to something very few can do well.
Hardly any botnets become big.
Most abuse I deal with comes in via bots that are apparently being shared or rented out to different (sometimes competing) spammers.
That's an encouraging sign.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500330</id>
	<title>Re:Still however useless</title>
	<author>Alwin Henseler</author>
	<datestamp>1268772120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as the source of the spam/malware problem isn't held accountable, nothing much will change.</p><p>The ultimate source (not cause!) of this problem is of course users that get spam, and then go on to send money to the folks that spammed them. But next in line are those companies that use spam, spread through malware-infected PC's, to sell their products (or sell worthless/dangerous crap, for that matter). Such shady companies should be put out of business, their CEO's thrown in jail ASAP (through whatever -legal- means), and profits confiscated to support the anti-spam operation.</p><p>Focussing on botnets is a good thing, but IMHO useless. Focussing on the folks running them is better, but the next botnet-operator-wannabee will step right in. Instead, efforts should focus on the businesses <em>paying</em> these fuckers. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as the source of the spam/malware problem is n't held accountable , nothing much will change.The ultimate source ( not cause !
) of this problem is of course users that get spam , and then go on to send money to the folks that spammed them .
But next in line are those companies that use spam , spread through malware-infected PC 's , to sell their products ( or sell worthless/dangerous crap , for that matter ) .
Such shady companies should be put out of business , their CEO 's thrown in jail ASAP ( through whatever -legal- means ) , and profits confiscated to support the anti-spam operation.Focussing on botnets is a good thing , but IMHO useless .
Focussing on the folks running them is better , but the next botnet-operator-wannabee will step right in .
Instead , efforts should focus on the businesses paying these fuckers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as the source of the spam/malware problem isn't held accountable, nothing much will change.The ultimate source (not cause!
) of this problem is of course users that get spam, and then go on to send money to the folks that spammed them.
But next in line are those companies that use spam, spread through malware-infected PC's, to sell their products (or sell worthless/dangerous crap, for that matter).
Such shady companies should be put out of business, their CEO's thrown in jail ASAP (through whatever -legal- means), and profits confiscated to support the anti-spam operation.Focussing on botnets is a good thing, but IMHO useless.
Focussing on the folks running them is better, but the next botnet-operator-wannabee will step right in.
Instead, efforts should focus on the businesses paying these fuckers. </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31510240</id>
	<title>Just checked Spamcop</title>
	<author>BlindBear</author>
	<datestamp>1268847480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just checked spamcop stats page, we had a few quiet days but everything is back to normal, thanks for coming.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just checked spamcop stats page , we had a few quiet days but everything is back to normal , thanks for coming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just checked spamcop stats page, we had a few quiet days but everything is back to normal, thanks for coming.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_16_1811259.31500524</id>
	<title>How about taking down...</title>
	<author>lbalbalba</author>
	<datestamp>1268772900000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The bloody botnet operator's and malware author's ? Isn't this like fighting the symptoms instead of the cause ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The bloody botnet operator 's and malware author 's ?
Is n't this like fighting the symptoms instead of the cause ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bloody botnet operator's and malware author's ?
Isn't this like fighting the symptoms instead of the cause ?</sentencetext>
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