<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_15_130204</id>
	<title>The Seven Hidden Browsers In the Windows Ballot</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1268662140000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Barence writes <i>"Two weeks ago Microsoft started rolling out a Windows update within the European Union, giving every Internet Explorer user the option to switch browsers. As well as the five big names, anyone who scrolls the ballot window to the right will find seven further browsers, none of which is exactly a household name. There's no quality control being offered, either &mdash; they're simply the '12 most widely-used web browsers that run on Windows 7,' based on usage share in the European Economic Area. But <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot">what are these unknown browsers actually like</a>? To find out, seven PC Pro staff installed a browser each, used it exclusively for a day, and ran a variety of tests. <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/2">The browser-by-browser verdict on the hidden seven:</a> two are worth a look for specific reasons, the other five are only likely to give an internet novice a horribly outdated idea of what web browsing is like."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Barence writes " Two weeks ago Microsoft started rolling out a Windows update within the European Union , giving every Internet Explorer user the option to switch browsers .
As well as the five big names , anyone who scrolls the ballot window to the right will find seven further browsers , none of which is exactly a household name .
There 's no quality control being offered , either    they 're simply the '12 most widely-used web browsers that run on Windows 7, ' based on usage share in the European Economic Area .
But what are these unknown browsers actually like ?
To find out , seven PC Pro staff installed a browser each , used it exclusively for a day , and ran a variety of tests .
The browser-by-browser verdict on the hidden seven : two are worth a look for specific reasons , the other five are only likely to give an internet novice a horribly outdated idea of what web browsing is like .
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<sentencetext>Barence writes "Two weeks ago Microsoft started rolling out a Windows update within the European Union, giving every Internet Explorer user the option to switch browsers.
As well as the five big names, anyone who scrolls the ballot window to the right will find seven further browsers, none of which is exactly a household name.
There's no quality control being offered, either — they're simply the '12 most widely-used web browsers that run on Windows 7,' based on usage share in the European Economic Area.
But what are these unknown browsers actually like?
To find out, seven PC Pro staff installed a browser each, used it exclusively for a day, and ran a variety of tests.
The browser-by-browser verdict on the hidden seven: two are worth a look for specific reasons, the other five are only likely to give an internet novice a horribly outdated idea of what web browsing is like.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31492168</id>
	<title>Re:Avant browser == front-end for IE</title>
	<author>buchner.johannes</author>
	<datestamp>1268677680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You say IE is easily replaced, but also say that users are not competent enough to install another browser.</p><p>Microsoft has an OS monopoly, that is not an opinion. Browsers are an non-optional part of todays computers (maybe even more than office software). The examples you mention are not.</p><p>The company got convicted several times for leveraging and extending their monopoly to other software products (browsers), which skews competition. This measure is to restore competition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You say IE is easily replaced , but also say that users are not competent enough to install another browser.Microsoft has an OS monopoly , that is not an opinion .
Browsers are an non-optional part of todays computers ( maybe even more than office software ) .
The examples you mention are not.The company got convicted several times for leveraging and extending their monopoly to other software products ( browsers ) , which skews competition .
This measure is to restore competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You say IE is easily replaced, but also say that users are not competent enough to install another browser.Microsoft has an OS monopoly, that is not an opinion.
Browsers are an non-optional part of todays computers (maybe even more than office software).
The examples you mention are not.The company got convicted several times for leveraging and extending their monopoly to other software products (browsers), which skews competition.
This measure is to restore competition.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31485392</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31483408</id>
	<title>Re:Very clever strategy</title>
	<author>TheCycoONE</author>
	<datestamp>1268674440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clearly you haven't been following this topic for very long.  The top 5 browsers are always on the first screen; though the order is randomized.  (Though they didn't do it very well as you can read here: <a href="http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/02/microsoft-random-browser-ballot.html" title="robweir.com">http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/02/microsoft-random-browser-ballot.html</a> [robweir.com])</p><p>Essentially they have a list of highly popular browsers and a list of other browsers some people seem to use.  They shuffle both lists then put the list of popular browsers first followed by the other list.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly you have n't been following this topic for very long .
The top 5 browsers are always on the first screen ; though the order is randomized .
( Though they did n't do it very well as you can read here : http : //www.robweir.com/blog/2010/02/microsoft-random-browser-ballot.html [ robweir.com ] ) Essentially they have a list of highly popular browsers and a list of other browsers some people seem to use .
They shuffle both lists then put the list of popular browsers first followed by the other list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly you haven't been following this topic for very long.
The top 5 browsers are always on the first screen; though the order is randomized.
(Though they didn't do it very well as you can read here: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/02/microsoft-random-browser-ballot.html [robweir.com])Essentially they have a list of highly popular browsers and a list of other browsers some people seem to use.
They shuffle both lists then put the list of popular browsers first followed by the other list.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482970</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482676</id>
	<title>Re:And thus the folly is proven</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268671440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I actually was greated with the ballot screen 2 weeks ago after manually selecting the update.<br>Anyway it was pretty funny because the ballot window is actually an *IE8* window showing a web page and, as I use Firefox, the first thing I saw was the infamous "IE is not currently not yoour default browser, would like to use is as the default ?" with "yes" pre-selected.<br>Of course this is a "modal" dialog, so it must be closed to be able to browse the actual page.</p><p>So basically, you first have to answer if you want IE to be the default before having a chance to get a link to alternative browsers, so no, IE isn't being removed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually was greated with the ballot screen 2 weeks ago after manually selecting the update.Anyway it was pretty funny because the ballot window is actually an * IE8 * window showing a web page and , as I use Firefox , the first thing I saw was the infamous " IE is not currently not yoour default browser , would like to use is as the default ?
" with " yes " pre-selected.Of course this is a " modal " dialog , so it must be closed to be able to browse the actual page.So basically , you first have to answer if you want IE to be the default before having a chance to get a link to alternative browsers , so no , IE is n't being removed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually was greated with the ballot screen 2 weeks ago after manually selecting the update.Anyway it was pretty funny because the ballot window is actually an *IE8* window showing a web page and, as I use Firefox, the first thing I saw was the infamous "IE is not currently not yoour default browser, would like to use is as the default ?
" with "yes" pre-selected.Of course this is a "modal" dialog, so it must be closed to be able to browse the actual page.So basically, you first have to answer if you want IE to be the default before having a chance to get a link to alternative browsers, so no, IE isn't being removed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481676</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31483420</id>
	<title>Re:Very clever strategy</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1268674500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is a very clever strategy to purposely have a large number of mostly crap alternatives, just to bury Chrome and Firefox.</p></div><p>It's not, because Chrome and Firefox are always in the first 5 slots (which are visible by default). For all those other browsers, you have to scroll right (and for that you first have to even notice the scrollbar!).</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Microsoft are very clever to turn even this browser selector into something that is more not less likely to establish the incorrect opinion that IE is best overall and then have users who tried something else switch back to IR.</p></div><p>Microsoft does not decide which browsers go on the selector. It's the list of top 12 browsers by usage in EU, as determined by EU bureaucrats.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a very clever strategy to purposely have a large number of mostly crap alternatives , just to bury Chrome and Firefox.It 's not , because Chrome and Firefox are always in the first 5 slots ( which are visible by default ) .
For all those other browsers , you have to scroll right ( and for that you first have to even notice the scrollbar !
) .Microsoft are very clever to turn even this browser selector into something that is more not less likely to establish the incorrect opinion that IE is best overall and then have users who tried something else switch back to IR.Microsoft does not decide which browsers go on the selector .
It 's the list of top 12 browsers by usage in EU , as determined by EU bureaucrats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a very clever strategy to purposely have a large number of mostly crap alternatives, just to bury Chrome and Firefox.It's not, because Chrome and Firefox are always in the first 5 slots (which are visible by default).
For all those other browsers, you have to scroll right (and for that you first have to even notice the scrollbar!
).Microsoft are very clever to turn even this browser selector into something that is more not less likely to establish the incorrect opinion that IE is best overall and then have users who tried something else switch back to IR.Microsoft does not decide which browsers go on the selector.
It's the list of top 12 browsers by usage in EU, as determined by EU bureaucrats.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482970</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481540</id>
	<title>Lynx?</title>
	<author>sunderland56</author>
	<datestamp>1268666160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey! Where's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx\_(web\_browser)" title="wikipedia.org">Lynx?</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey !
Where 's Lynx ?
[ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey!
Where's Lynx?
[wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31491978</id>
	<title>Some are not real browsers...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268674800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are just Trident or Gecko, wrapped in a minimal different UI.</p><p>Which in case of Trident (IE&rsquo;s &ldquo;engine&rsquo;) is very very bad.<br>Avant, Slimbowser, GreenBrowser, Maxthon do. They are basically just IE with a different look. K-Meleon and Flock use Gecko. (But Flock has a pretty different purpose, and therefore might be considered legitimate.)<br>Sleipnir does them both.</p><p>You can even use Firefox with the Trident engine, by installing the IEtab add-on.</p><p>So there will be no shortage of IEs an sheep&rsquo;s clothing anytime soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are just Trident or Gecko , wrapped in a minimal different UI.Which in case of Trident ( IE    s    engine    ) is very very bad.Avant , Slimbowser , GreenBrowser , Maxthon do .
They are basically just IE with a different look .
K-Meleon and Flock use Gecko .
( But Flock has a pretty different purpose , and therefore might be considered legitimate .
) Sleipnir does them both.You can even use Firefox with the Trident engine , by installing the IEtab add-on.So there will be no shortage of IEs an sheep    s clothing anytime soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are just Trident or Gecko, wrapped in a minimal different UI.Which in case of Trident (IE’s “engine’) is very very bad.Avant, Slimbowser, GreenBrowser, Maxthon do.
They are basically just IE with a different look.
K-Meleon and Flock use Gecko.
(But Flock has a pretty different purpose, and therefore might be considered legitimate.
)Sleipnir does them both.You can even use Firefox with the Trident engine, by installing the IEtab add-on.So there will be no shortage of IEs an sheep’s clothing anytime soon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481920</id>
	<title>Re:This won't make the user happier</title>
	<author>ianare</author>
	<datestamp>1268667900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which is why they're having the 5 most popular browsers initially visible, and the other 7 so that you have to scroll over to see them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is why they 're having the 5 most popular browsers initially visible , and the other 7 so that you have to scroll over to see them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is why they're having the 5 most popular browsers initially visible, and the other 7 so that you have to scroll over to see them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481650</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482026</id>
	<title>Yuo fxai7 it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268668380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>to the transmission w0r4 that you</htmltext>
<tokenext>to the transmission w0r4 that you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to the transmission w0r4 that you</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481598</id>
	<title>Re:Lynx?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268666460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey wait! I just noticed that the name is a pun. It only took 8 years..</p><p>Ho ho ho.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey wait !
I just noticed that the name is a pun .
It only took 8 years..Ho ho ho .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey wait!
I just noticed that the name is a pun.
It only took 8 years..Ho ho ho.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481540</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481732</id>
	<title>Re:Lynx?</title>
	<author>pla</author>
	<datestamp>1268667000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Hey! Where's Lynx?</i> <br>
<br>
Oh, look at Mr. Fancy-pants with his text all neatly positioned on the screen for him!<br>
<br>
Real men use Wget or Curl.  Bonus points for doing it all with netcat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey !
Where 's Lynx ?
Oh , look at Mr. Fancy-pants with his text all neatly positioned on the screen for him !
Real men use Wget or Curl .
Bonus points for doing it all with netcat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey!
Where's Lynx?
Oh, look at Mr. Fancy-pants with his text all neatly positioned on the screen for him!
Real men use Wget or Curl.
Bonus points for doing it all with netcat.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481540</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482568</id>
	<title>Re:Avant browser == front-end for IE</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1268671140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the usage share in Europe from one year ago (Q1 2009).  I'm trying to find more recent data:</p><p>IE 67.7\%<br>FF 25.3\%<br>Safari 2.6\%<br>Opera 1.4\%<br>Chrome 1.0\%</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the usage share in Europe from one year ago ( Q1 2009 ) .
I 'm trying to find more recent data : IE 67.7 \ % FF 25.3 \ % Safari 2.6 \ % Opera 1.4 \ % Chrome 1.0 \ %</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the usage share in Europe from one year ago (Q1 2009).
I'm trying to find more recent data:IE 67.7\%FF 25.3\%Safari 2.6\%Opera 1.4\%Chrome 1.0\%</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481794</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31491394</id>
	<title>Re:Lynx?</title>
	<author>Lunzo</author>
	<datestamp>1268668680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where's the "-1, Whoosh" mod for Parent and all the sibling posts who didn't get it?</p><p>In other news The Gimp is so named because it's pure punishment using it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where 's the " -1 , Whoosh " mod for Parent and all the sibling posts who did n't get it ? In other news The Gimp is so named because it 's pure punishment using it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where's the "-1, Whoosh" mod for Parent and all the sibling posts who didn't get it?In other news The Gimp is so named because it's pure punishment using it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481598</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31483080</id>
	<title>Re:Very clever strategy</title>
	<author>Ksevio</author>
	<datestamp>1268673420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except that the top browsers (IE, Firefox, Safari, Chrome, and Opera) are displayed on the first page, and these extra seven are on the second page.  The order on each page is randomized, but the secondary list doesn't get mixed with the top five.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that the top browsers ( IE , Firefox , Safari , Chrome , and Opera ) are displayed on the first page , and these extra seven are on the second page .
The order on each page is randomized , but the secondary list does n't get mixed with the top five .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that the top browsers (IE, Firefox, Safari, Chrome, and Opera) are displayed on the first page, and these extra seven are on the second page.
The order on each page is randomized, but the secondary list doesn't get mixed with the top five.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482970</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31483818</id>
	<title>Re:What it is actually</title>
	<author>jc42</author>
	<datestamp>1268676240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>link to <a href="http://www.browserchoice.eu/" title="browserchoice.eu">http://www.browserchoice.eu/</a> [browserchoice.eu] </i></p><p>So how do I get it to display the other browsers that this article talks about?  There's no scrollbar in my FF window that's showing that page.  I tried a mouseover, and nothing happened.  I told NoScript to allow scripts from the site, and that also produced no changes.</p><p>(Maybe it's because I looked at it from my Macbook Pro and my Ubuntu machine. Perhaps I should try it on my wife's Macbook, where she has a virtual Windows XP installed, and even has IE6 on it.  This is for work reasons of course; she hates Windows.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>link to http : //www.browserchoice.eu/ [ browserchoice.eu ] So how do I get it to display the other browsers that this article talks about ?
There 's no scrollbar in my FF window that 's showing that page .
I tried a mouseover , and nothing happened .
I told NoScript to allow scripts from the site , and that also produced no changes .
( Maybe it 's because I looked at it from my Macbook Pro and my Ubuntu machine .
Perhaps I should try it on my wife 's Macbook , where she has a virtual Windows XP installed , and even has IE6 on it .
This is for work reasons of course ; she hates Windows .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>link to http://www.browserchoice.eu/ [browserchoice.eu] So how do I get it to display the other browsers that this article talks about?
There's no scrollbar in my FF window that's showing that page.
I tried a mouseover, and nothing happened.
I told NoScript to allow scripts from the site, and that also produced no changes.
(Maybe it's because I looked at it from my Macbook Pro and my Ubuntu machine.
Perhaps I should try it on my wife's Macbook, where she has a virtual Windows XP installed, and even has IE6 on it.
This is for work reasons of course; she hates Windows.
;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482280</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31484830</id>
	<title>Re:Lynx?</title>
	<author>Fallingcow</author>
	<datestamp>1268679960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's more obvious in the similar-but-better Links browser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's more obvious in the similar-but-better Links browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's more obvious in the similar-but-better Links browser.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481598</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481676</id>
	<title>Re:And thus the folly is proven</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268666760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The choice of IE8 isn't being removed from those users. They can pick whichever browser they happen to prefer, if that happens to be IE8 then that's their prerogative. If they're incapable of picking the browser they prefer from a limited subset then they have more to worry about in the online environment than usability. In reality if these browsers are hidden initially, they're unlikely to ever be picked.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The choice of IE8 is n't being removed from those users .
They can pick whichever browser they happen to prefer , if that happens to be IE8 then that 's their prerogative .
If they 're incapable of picking the browser they prefer from a limited subset then they have more to worry about in the online environment than usability .
In reality if these browsers are hidden initially , they 're unlikely to ever be picked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The choice of IE8 isn't being removed from those users.
They can pick whichever browser they happen to prefer, if that happens to be IE8 then that's their prerogative.
If they're incapable of picking the browser they prefer from a limited subset then they have more to worry about in the online environment than usability.
In reality if these browsers are hidden initially, they're unlikely to ever be picked.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481512</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481512</id>
	<title>And thus the folly is proven</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268665980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Users would be better off with IE8 than any of those pieces of crap.</p><p>They'd be better off with FF or Chrome too, but by requiring a full selection, users are presented with all kinds of bad software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Users would be better off with IE8 than any of those pieces of crap.They 'd be better off with FF or Chrome too , but by requiring a full selection , users are presented with all kinds of bad software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Users would be better off with IE8 than any of those pieces of crap.They'd be better off with FF or Chrome too, but by requiring a full selection, users are presented with all kinds of bad software.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482034</id>
	<title>LoRD?</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1268668380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For some reason, I was reminded of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend\_of\_the\_Red\_Dragon" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow"> <i>Legend of the Red Dragon</i> </a> [wikipedia.org] when they mentioned:</p><blockquote><div><p>Essentially Internet Explorer bashed with an ugly stick.</p></div></blockquote><p>Internet Explorer LOSES 10 CHARM!<br>Internet Explorer IS NOW KNOWN AS GreenBrowser.</p><p>I played that BBS game/MUD in my senior year of high school, though the sysadmin chose to "upgrade" me a few times for some reason.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For some reason , I was reminded of Legend of the Red Dragon [ wikipedia.org ] when they mentioned : Essentially Internet Explorer bashed with an ugly stick.Internet Explorer LOSES 10 CHARM ! Internet Explorer IS NOW KNOWN AS GreenBrowser.I played that BBS game/MUD in my senior year of high school , though the sysadmin chose to " upgrade " me a few times for some reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some reason, I was reminded of  Legend of the Red Dragon  [wikipedia.org] when they mentioned:Essentially Internet Explorer bashed with an ugly stick.Internet Explorer LOSES 10 CHARM!Internet Explorer IS NOW KNOWN AS GreenBrowser.I played that BBS game/MUD in my senior year of high school, though the sysadmin chose to "upgrade" me a few times for some reason.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31483406</id>
	<title>Re:And thus the folly is proven</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268674440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure why the parent is modded Flamebait.</p><p>It is true - these other browsers (and I use that term loosely - some of these are just wrappers around the IE engine) may be interesting to nerds and geeks for a variety of reasons but they offer minimal value to the average user.</p><p>It is nice for them to have exposure, but why expose users to <i>bad</i> software? I have tried some of these other browsers myself, specifically Sleipnir, Maxthon, and Avant. Saying that they're "not as good" is an understatement. They have a combined market share of less than 1\% for a reason.</p><p>Users really are far better off using ANY of the top 5 than the bottom 7, and that includes IE8.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure why the parent is modded Flamebait.It is true - these other browsers ( and I use that term loosely - some of these are just wrappers around the IE engine ) may be interesting to nerds and geeks for a variety of reasons but they offer minimal value to the average user.It is nice for them to have exposure , but why expose users to bad software ?
I have tried some of these other browsers myself , specifically Sleipnir , Maxthon , and Avant .
Saying that they 're " not as good " is an understatement .
They have a combined market share of less than 1 \ % for a reason.Users really are far better off using ANY of the top 5 than the bottom 7 , and that includes IE8 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure why the parent is modded Flamebait.It is true - these other browsers (and I use that term loosely - some of these are just wrappers around the IE engine) may be interesting to nerds and geeks for a variety of reasons but they offer minimal value to the average user.It is nice for them to have exposure, but why expose users to bad software?
I have tried some of these other browsers myself, specifically Sleipnir, Maxthon, and Avant.
Saying that they're "not as good" is an understatement.
They have a combined market share of less than 1\% for a reason.Users really are far better off using ANY of the top 5 than the bottom 7, and that includes IE8.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481512</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31485940</id>
	<title>Other platforms</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1268684160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If some of you are feeling left out, because you are using Linux or MacOS X. Here are sites listing alternative web browsers for your platforms:</p><p>
&nbsp; - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_web\_browsers\_for\_Unix\_and\_Unix-like\_operating\_systems" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_web\_browsers\_for\_Unix\_and\_Unix-like\_operating\_systems</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>
&nbsp; - <a href="http://www.pure-mac.com/webb.html" title="pure-mac.com">http://www.pure-mac.com/webb.html</a> [pure-mac.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If some of you are feeling left out , because you are using Linux or MacOS X. Here are sites listing alternative web browsers for your platforms :   - http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List \ _of \ _web \ _browsers \ _for \ _Unix \ _and \ _Unix-like \ _operating \ _systems [ wikipedia.org ]   - http : //www.pure-mac.com/webb.html [ pure-mac.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If some of you are feeling left out, because you are using Linux or MacOS X. Here are sites listing alternative web browsers for your platforms:
  - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_web\_browsers\_for\_Unix\_and\_Unix-like\_operating\_systems [wikipedia.org]
  - http://www.pure-mac.com/webb.html [pure-mac.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31487224</id>
	<title>Re:Lynx?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268645520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had to post this anonymously, because I first used Lynx 16 years ago, and today was the first time that I realized the pun.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had to post this anonymously , because I first used Lynx 16 years ago , and today was the first time that I realized the pun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had to post this anonymously, because I first used Lynx 16 years ago, and today was the first time that I realized the pun.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481598</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31484184</id>
	<title>Re:What I do not understand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268677740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At first I was confused how you couldn't get it and then I realized <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser\_wars" title="wikipedia.org">the browser wars</a> [wikipedia.org] were more than 10 years ago now. Basically the point is that there is a reason almost all browsers are now based on open source, the one thing Microsoft can't destroy financially or snuff out. You could rightfully say the intervention comes too late but that's just the EU's way of saying they may be slow but they don't forget (unlike the US DOJ.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At first I was confused how you could n't get it and then I realized the browser wars [ wikipedia.org ] were more than 10 years ago now .
Basically the point is that there is a reason almost all browsers are now based on open source , the one thing Microsoft ca n't destroy financially or snuff out .
You could rightfully say the intervention comes too late but that 's just the EU 's way of saying they may be slow but they do n't forget ( unlike the US DOJ .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At first I was confused how you couldn't get it and then I realized the browser wars [wikipedia.org] were more than 10 years ago now.
Basically the point is that there is a reason almost all browsers are now based on open source, the one thing Microsoft can't destroy financially or snuff out.
You could rightfully say the intervention comes too late but that's just the EU's way of saying they may be slow but they don't forget (unlike the US DOJ.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482718</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482776</id>
	<title>Re:Avant browser == front-end for IE</title>
	<author>Rary</author>
	<datestamp>1268671860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a perfectly valid option. I used Avant for years because at the time IE did the best job of rendering the most websites, but I wanted advanced features that IE didn't provide (tabbed browsing, saved sessions, etc).</p><p>Today I use Firefox, but if someone prefers Avant, why not use it? So what if it's just a wrapper for IE. It's still a valid option, and if you're going to provide a comprehensive list of browser options, it should be included.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a perfectly valid option .
I used Avant for years because at the time IE did the best job of rendering the most websites , but I wanted advanced features that IE did n't provide ( tabbed browsing , saved sessions , etc ) .Today I use Firefox , but if someone prefers Avant , why not use it ?
So what if it 's just a wrapper for IE .
It 's still a valid option , and if you 're going to provide a comprehensive list of browser options , it should be included .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a perfectly valid option.
I used Avant for years because at the time IE did the best job of rendering the most websites, but I wanted advanced features that IE didn't provide (tabbed browsing, saved sessions, etc).Today I use Firefox, but if someone prefers Avant, why not use it?
So what if it's just a wrapper for IE.
It's still a valid option, and if you're going to provide a comprehensive list of browser options, it should be included.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481604</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482970</id>
	<title>Very clever strategy</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1268672760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a very clever strategy to purposely have a large number of mostly crap alternatives, just to bury Chrome and Firefox.<br>The randomised ordering of a large number of crap options just helps to ensure that the odds of anyone randomly picking a non-IE browser would more often end up with something worse than IE.<br>Microsoft are very clever to turn even this browser selector into something that is more not less likely to establish the incorrect opinion that IE is best overall and then have users who tried something else switch back to IR.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a very clever strategy to purposely have a large number of mostly crap alternatives , just to bury Chrome and Firefox.The randomised ordering of a large number of crap options just helps to ensure that the odds of anyone randomly picking a non-IE browser would more often end up with something worse than IE.Microsoft are very clever to turn even this browser selector into something that is more not less likely to establish the incorrect opinion that IE is best overall and then have users who tried something else switch back to IR .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a very clever strategy to purposely have a large number of mostly crap alternatives, just to bury Chrome and Firefox.The randomised ordering of a large number of crap options just helps to ensure that the odds of anyone randomly picking a non-IE browser would more often end up with something worse than IE.Microsoft are very clever to turn even this browser selector into something that is more not less likely to establish the incorrect opinion that IE is best overall and then have users who tried something else switch back to IR.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481816</id>
	<title>Re:And thus the folly is proven</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268667300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>A friend downloaded Firefox and installed it, then moan to me how Firefox looks and runs just like IE did and still does a bad job of rendering the web pages he looks at.

I went over to investigate what he meant and the stupid fool was still double clicking the IE "E" icon on his desktop. When I asked why he was doing tjhis instead of the Firefox icon he said "But this is how I get the internet by click on the E"

Doh</htmltext>
<tokenext>A friend downloaded Firefox and installed it , then moan to me how Firefox looks and runs just like IE did and still does a bad job of rendering the web pages he looks at .
I went over to investigate what he meant and the stupid fool was still double clicking the IE " E " icon on his desktop .
When I asked why he was doing tjhis instead of the Firefox icon he said " But this is how I get the internet by click on the E " Doh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A friend downloaded Firefox and installed it, then moan to me how Firefox looks and runs just like IE did and still does a bad job of rendering the web pages he looks at.
I went over to investigate what he meant and the stupid fool was still double clicking the IE "E" icon on his desktop.
When I asked why he was doing tjhis instead of the Firefox icon he said "But this is how I get the internet by click on the E"

Doh</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481512</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482116</id>
	<title>What manner of testing is this?</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1268668800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They ran it through <em>one</em> Javascript test (SunSpider), so that&rsquo;s at least something, I suppose.</p><p>Their other &ldquo;benchmarks&rdquo; are woefully lacking in the usefulness department. They gave the startup time (in seconds)... I&rsquo;m much more interested in how quickly pages load. They gave the memory requirement at startup (with Google loaded as the homepage)... I&rsquo;m much more interested in how much memory it&rsquo;s consumed after a few hours of browsing.</p><p>Not to mention that certain browsers (*cough* IE) take <em>way</em> longer to give you a <em>usable</em> browser than they do to just display the window. That&rsquo;s just the same trick of showing your desktop while Windows finishes loading; it looks like it accomplished something, but you still can&rsquo;t click anything yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They ran it through one Javascript test ( SunSpider ) , so that    s at least something , I suppose.Their other    benchmarks    are woefully lacking in the usefulness department .
They gave the startup time ( in seconds ) ... I    m much more interested in how quickly pages load .
They gave the memory requirement at startup ( with Google loaded as the homepage ) ... I    m much more interested in how much memory it    s consumed after a few hours of browsing.Not to mention that certain browsers ( * cough * IE ) take way longer to give you a usable browser than they do to just display the window .
That    s just the same trick of showing your desktop while Windows finishes loading ; it looks like it accomplished something , but you still can    t click anything yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They ran it through one Javascript test (SunSpider), so that’s at least something, I suppose.Their other “benchmarks” are woefully lacking in the usefulness department.
They gave the startup time (in seconds)... I’m much more interested in how quickly pages load.
They gave the memory requirement at startup (with Google loaded as the homepage)... I’m much more interested in how much memory it’s consumed after a few hours of browsing.Not to mention that certain browsers (*cough* IE) take way longer to give you a usable browser than they do to just display the window.
That’s just the same trick of showing your desktop while Windows finishes loading; it looks like it accomplished something, but you still can’t click anything yet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481796</id>
	<title>lynx</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268667240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use lynx you insensitive clod!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use lynx you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use lynx you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482590</id>
	<title>Why would there be quality control?</title>
	<author>grapeape</author>
	<datestamp>1268671200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MS is simply doing as told and it appears to be bending over backwards to comply with what the EU thinks everyone wants.  How is it MS's job to help you choose another browser...they offer the option to pick a different one after that your own your own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS is simply doing as told and it appears to be bending over backwards to comply with what the EU thinks everyone wants .
How is it MS 's job to help you choose another browser...they offer the option to pick a different one after that your own your own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS is simply doing as told and it appears to be bending over backwards to comply with what the EU thinks everyone wants.
How is it MS's job to help you choose another browser...they offer the option to pick a different one after that your own your own.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481650</id>
	<title>This won't make the user happier</title>
	<author>Advocadus Diaboli</author>
	<datestamp>1268666640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>See <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/barry\_schwartz\_on\_the\_paradox\_of\_choice.html" title="ted.com" rel="nofollow">Barry Schwartz on the paradox of choice</a> [ted.com]. Got to help someone with his Windows-PC lately and got seriously confused by this invasive dialog.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>See Barry Schwartz on the paradox of choice [ ted.com ] .
Got to help someone with his Windows-PC lately and got seriously confused by this invasive dialog .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See Barry Schwartz on the paradox of choice [ted.com].
Got to help someone with his Windows-PC lately and got seriously confused by this invasive dialog.
:-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31484468</id>
	<title>Re:And thus the folly is proven</title>
	<author>canusaybimmmy</author>
	<datestamp>1268678760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ie8 ftmfw?</htmltext>
<tokenext>ie8 ftmfw ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ie8 ftmfw?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481676</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482032</id>
	<title>The name they know.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268668380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MS are INTENSIVELY advertising IE8 now on tv in the UK. The only advertising I've even heard of from the others is google chrome billboard ads (so no market penetration round here in the countryside)</p><p>users won't read the descriptions, they will just chose the one they've heard of, which is IE8</p><p>now if Mozilla threw millions of quid at TV advertising...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS are INTENSIVELY advertising IE8 now on tv in the UK .
The only advertising I 've even heard of from the others is google chrome billboard ads ( so no market penetration round here in the countryside ) users wo n't read the descriptions , they will just chose the one they 've heard of , which is IE8now if Mozilla threw millions of quid at TV advertising.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS are INTENSIVELY advertising IE8 now on tv in the UK.
The only advertising I've even heard of from the others is google chrome billboard ads (so no market penetration round here in the countryside)users won't read the descriptions, they will just chose the one they've heard of, which is IE8now if Mozilla threw millions of quid at TV advertising...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481604</id>
	<title>Avant browser == front-end for IE</title>
	<author>Yuioup</author>
	<datestamp>1268666460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Avant browser is nothing more than a front-end for IE.<br>It's basically a window surrounding an embedded Internet Explorer object.<br>I personally think its ridiculous that MS offers it as an 'alternative browser'</p><p>Y</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Avant browser is nothing more than a front-end for IE.It 's basically a window surrounding an embedded Internet Explorer object.I personally think its ridiculous that MS offers it as an 'alternative browser'Y</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Avant browser is nothing more than a front-end for IE.It's basically a window surrounding an embedded Internet Explorer object.I personally think its ridiculous that MS offers it as an 'alternative browser'Y</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31491938</id>
	<title>Oh yeah, K-Meleon</title>
	<author>sootman</author>
	<datestamp>1268674200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember using that when it first came out. Quick history: Netscape 2 and 3 we good browsers with a decent news &amp; mail reader. Then they were all like "Hey, let's make a suite!" and that was Netscape 4. Then Netscape went open-source and eventually released a suite that was SLOW AS HELL. (New, unoptimized code, and that suite had everything but the kitchen sink.) People started saying "Hey, you should strip all the crap off and make a lean little browser." They did, and that was Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox. But before that was out, there was K-Meleon, a standalone browser with Mozilla's Gecko rendering engine. Good stuff, for a very short while. I used it for a bit but when Phoenix came out (I started using it at 0.2) it was pretty great right away and the rest is history.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember using that when it first came out .
Quick history : Netscape 2 and 3 we good browsers with a decent news &amp; mail reader .
Then they were all like " Hey , let 's make a suite !
" and that was Netscape 4 .
Then Netscape went open-source and eventually released a suite that was SLOW AS HELL .
( New , unoptimized code , and that suite had everything but the kitchen sink .
) People started saying " Hey , you should strip all the crap off and make a lean little browser .
" They did , and that was Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox .
But before that was out , there was K-Meleon , a standalone browser with Mozilla 's Gecko rendering engine .
Good stuff , for a very short while .
I used it for a bit but when Phoenix came out ( I started using it at 0.2 ) it was pretty great right away and the rest is history .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember using that when it first came out.
Quick history: Netscape 2 and 3 we good browsers with a decent news &amp; mail reader.
Then they were all like "Hey, let's make a suite!
" and that was Netscape 4.
Then Netscape went open-source and eventually released a suite that was SLOW AS HELL.
(New, unoptimized code, and that suite had everything but the kitchen sink.
) People started saying "Hey, you should strip all the crap off and make a lean little browser.
" They did, and that was Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox.
But before that was out, there was K-Meleon, a standalone browser with Mozilla's Gecko rendering engine.
Good stuff, for a very short while.
I used it for a bit but when Phoenix came out (I started using it at 0.2) it was pretty great right away and the rest is history.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31492230</id>
	<title>Re:Avant browser == front-end for IE</title>
	<author>Petrushka</author>
	<datestamp>1268678520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think I'd be very annoyed if Ubuntu required me to choose amongst alternatives for each large piece of software it installs by default.</p></div><p>I would too, as things stand.</p><p>However, if Ubuntu had a monopoly market share, and Canonical produced its own browser/graphics app/etc., and then Canonical used Ubuntu's market share to leverage market share for the browser/graphics app/etc.,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... then I think I might have a different attitude.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I 'd be very annoyed if Ubuntu required me to choose amongst alternatives for each large piece of software it installs by default.I would too , as things stand.However , if Ubuntu had a monopoly market share , and Canonical produced its own browser/graphics app/etc. , and then Canonical used Ubuntu 's market share to leverage market share for the browser/graphics app/etc. , ... then I think I might have a different attitude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I'd be very annoyed if Ubuntu required me to choose amongst alternatives for each large piece of software it installs by default.I would too, as things stand.However, if Ubuntu had a monopoly market share, and Canonical produced its own browser/graphics app/etc., and then Canonical used Ubuntu's market share to leverage market share for the browser/graphics app/etc., ... then I think I might have a different attitude.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31485392</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482718</id>
	<title>What I do not understand</title>
	<author>wisnoskij</author>
	<datestamp>1268671680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is why they are going after Microsoft exclusively and why only browsers.</p><p>Every OS on the planet has a list of software they have bundled with them.<br>Their is nothing wrong with this, sure I do not like using pretty much everything MS bundles with windows, but I would not want to spend huge amounts of time configuring it during installation and still only be offered the top X of the market share.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is why they are going after Microsoft exclusively and why only browsers.Every OS on the planet has a list of software they have bundled with them.Their is nothing wrong with this , sure I do not like using pretty much everything MS bundles with windows , but I would not want to spend huge amounts of time configuring it during installation and still only be offered the top X of the market share .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is why they are going after Microsoft exclusively and why only browsers.Every OS on the planet has a list of software they have bundled with them.Their is nothing wrong with this, sure I do not like using pretty much everything MS bundles with windows, but I would not want to spend huge amounts of time configuring it during installation and still only be offered the top X of the market share.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482280</id>
	<title>What it is actually</title>
	<author>m0i</author>
	<datestamp>1268669640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a desktop link to <a href="http://www.browserchoice.eu/" title="browserchoice.eu">http://www.browserchoice.eu/</a> [browserchoice.eu]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a desktop link to http : //www.browserchoice.eu/ [ browserchoice.eu ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a desktop link to http://www.browserchoice.eu/ [browserchoice.eu]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482334</id>
	<title>Re:IE engine with a new GUI</title>
	<author>barzok</author>
	<datestamp>1268670000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Many of these are the IE rendering engine wrapped in a new user interface. They appeared in the days when IE development was dead and provided useful things like tabs and popup blocking, while staying compatible with the IE6-only websites that used to be everywhere.</p></div></blockquote><p>That shell game (pun intended) started back in the IE3 or IE4 days.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many of these are the IE rendering engine wrapped in a new user interface .
They appeared in the days when IE development was dead and provided useful things like tabs and popup blocking , while staying compatible with the IE6-only websites that used to be everywhere.That shell game ( pun intended ) started back in the IE3 or IE4 days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many of these are the IE rendering engine wrapped in a new user interface.
They appeared in the days when IE development was dead and provided useful things like tabs and popup blocking, while staying compatible with the IE6-only websites that used to be everywhere.That shell game (pun intended) started back in the IE3 or IE4 days.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481634</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31487526</id>
	<title>Re:This won't make the user happier</title>
	<author>shadwstalkr</author>
	<datestamp>1268646600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You may not have noticed, but Microsoft doesn't profit from making users happy. They profit by making users buy more Microsoft software. Did anyone really expect Microsoft to design this in a way that gave them a disadvantage?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may not have noticed , but Microsoft does n't profit from making users happy .
They profit by making users buy more Microsoft software .
Did anyone really expect Microsoft to design this in a way that gave them a disadvantage ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may not have noticed, but Microsoft doesn't profit from making users happy.
They profit by making users buy more Microsoft software.
Did anyone really expect Microsoft to design this in a way that gave them a disadvantage?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481650</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481698</id>
	<title>Missed the point</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268666880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what? This is about remedying anti-competitive practices.   "Our product is better than theirs so they should be locked out of the market" is not a valid defense to an anti-trust lawsuit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what ?
This is about remedying anti-competitive practices .
" Our product is better than theirs so they should be locked out of the market " is not a valid defense to an anti-trust lawsuit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what?
This is about remedying anti-competitive practices.
"Our product is better than theirs so they should be locked out of the market" is not a valid defense to an anti-trust lawsuit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31485044</id>
	<title>confusopoly</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1268680740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft is probably hoping that the large number of browsers will confuse people so much that they'll stick with IE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is probably hoping that the large number of browsers will confuse people so much that they 'll stick with IE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft is probably hoping that the large number of browsers will confuse people so much that they'll stick with IE.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31485404</id>
	<title>IE "wrappers"</title>
	<author>billcopc</author>
	<datestamp>1268682180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The big problem with that list is they are mostly rebranded or "wrapped" browsers, meaning they take the Trident or Gecko rendering engine, put their own chrome around it and pass it off as their own.  Maxthon and Avant, for example, were at least slightly more popular back in the days of IE 5/6, as they offered tabbed browsing, enhanced ActiveX security and a few other creature comforts long before IE7 was ever announced.</p><p>Flock is a Firefox wrapper with a bunch of (proprietary) addons for social media sites.  Now, I'm not too big on social media so I can't really offer valid critique, but the idea seemed a bit goofy and the whole project seems like a weak attempt to cash in on the MySpace/Facebook buzz.  YMMV</p><p>So in the end, you really have four choices, each with a few trim options: IE, Firefox, Webkit, Opera.  No one really has the patience to write a new engine anyway, the web is such a clusterfuck of broken standards and copy-paste web "designers" that it's near-impossible to get anywhere by starting from scratch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The big problem with that list is they are mostly rebranded or " wrapped " browsers , meaning they take the Trident or Gecko rendering engine , put their own chrome around it and pass it off as their own .
Maxthon and Avant , for example , were at least slightly more popular back in the days of IE 5/6 , as they offered tabbed browsing , enhanced ActiveX security and a few other creature comforts long before IE7 was ever announced.Flock is a Firefox wrapper with a bunch of ( proprietary ) addons for social media sites .
Now , I 'm not too big on social media so I ca n't really offer valid critique , but the idea seemed a bit goofy and the whole project seems like a weak attempt to cash in on the MySpace/Facebook buzz .
YMMVSo in the end , you really have four choices , each with a few trim options : IE , Firefox , Webkit , Opera .
No one really has the patience to write a new engine anyway , the web is such a clusterfuck of broken standards and copy-paste web " designers " that it 's near-impossible to get anywhere by starting from scratch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The big problem with that list is they are mostly rebranded or "wrapped" browsers, meaning they take the Trident or Gecko rendering engine, put their own chrome around it and pass it off as their own.
Maxthon and Avant, for example, were at least slightly more popular back in the days of IE 5/6, as they offered tabbed browsing, enhanced ActiveX security and a few other creature comforts long before IE7 was ever announced.Flock is a Firefox wrapper with a bunch of (proprietary) addons for social media sites.
Now, I'm not too big on social media so I can't really offer valid critique, but the idea seemed a bit goofy and the whole project seems like a weak attempt to cash in on the MySpace/Facebook buzz.
YMMVSo in the end, you really have four choices, each with a few trim options: IE, Firefox, Webkit, Opera.
No one really has the patience to write a new engine anyway, the web is such a clusterfuck of broken standards and copy-paste web "designers" that it's near-impossible to get anywhere by starting from scratch.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481532</id>
	<title>Firefox - No Script, Flash, Ads, Own Font/Colour</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268666160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like my web browsing outdated, thank you very much.</p><p>Now get off my lawn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like my web browsing outdated , thank you very much.Now get off my lawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like my web browsing outdated, thank you very much.Now get off my lawn.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481794</id>
	<title>Re:Avant browser == front-end for IE</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1268667240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think it's up to MS. They just include the browsers the EU tells them to. The EU supposedly base the lists on "market share" though I haven't seen any reference as to exactly what they mean by that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think it 's up to MS. They just include the browsers the EU tells them to .
The EU supposedly base the lists on " market share " though I have n't seen any reference as to exactly what they mean by that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think it's up to MS. They just include the browsers the EU tells them to.
The EU supposedly base the lists on "market share" though I haven't seen any reference as to exactly what they mean by that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481604</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481962</id>
	<title>Re:Lynx?</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1268668080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;Real men use Wget or Curl.</p><p>Bah.  Humbug!  Bullsh*t.  64K ought to be enough for anybody surfing the web:<br>Bootup - <a href="http://www.b-sting.nl/commodore64/" title="b-sting.nl">http://www.b-sting.nl/commodore64/</a> [b-sting.nl]<br>HyperLink 64 - <a href="http://www.armory.com/~spectre/cwi/hl/shots.html" title="armory.com">http://www.armory.com/~spectre/cwi/hl/shots.html</a> [armory.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; Real men use Wget or Curl.Bah .
Humbug ! Bullsh * t. 64K ought to be enough for anybody surfing the web : Bootup - http : //www.b-sting.nl/commodore64/ [ b-sting.nl ] HyperLink 64 - http : //www.armory.com/ ~ spectre/cwi/hl/shots.html [ armory.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;Real men use Wget or Curl.Bah.
Humbug!  Bullsh*t.  64K ought to be enough for anybody surfing the web:Bootup - http://www.b-sting.nl/commodore64/ [b-sting.nl]HyperLink 64 - http://www.armory.com/~spectre/cwi/hl/shots.html [armory.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481732</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481784</id>
	<title>Testing?</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1268667180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>we installed each browser on the same Windows 7 computer and tested their speed in the SunSpider benchmark, their memory usage with the Google home page open in a single tab, and their startup times &ndash; measured from the moment we clicked the icon to the browser window appearing.</p></div><p>Expectation for any sort of consistency in the testing parameters has been set to zero.  But, at least we get to see which browsers are most-liked and offer a nice user experience, right?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Then we asked seven members of the PC Pro team to abandon their favoured browser and switch to one of these alternatives. To say they were delighted to do so would be a lie: there was gnashing of teeth, wailing and screaming pleas for mercy. All these fell on deaf ears. We provide full reviews of each browser in the Reviews section, but for a helpful summary click through to the next page.</p></div><p>OK, expectation of any sort of positive review of any browser has been set to zero.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The only consolation is that the popularity of the top 12 browsers is re-examined every six months.</p></div><p>Which means PCPro will have a steady ad revenue from writing meaningless reviews cobbled from the barest minimum of testing where the browser used by the least whiny of the random-picked team gets top marks just because that person hates change the least.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>In fact, maybe a PC Pro browser is exactly what the EU needs</p></div><p>If it's written with the same attention and care to detail as the articles, the first installed instance of it will crash the Internet and bring civilization to a smoking ruin.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : we installed each browser on the same Windows 7 computer and tested their speed in the SunSpider benchmark , their memory usage with the Google home page open in a single tab , and their startup times    measured from the moment we clicked the icon to the browser window appearing.Expectation for any sort of consistency in the testing parameters has been set to zero .
But , at least we get to see which browsers are most-liked and offer a nice user experience , right ? Then we asked seven members of the PC Pro team to abandon their favoured browser and switch to one of these alternatives .
To say they were delighted to do so would be a lie : there was gnashing of teeth , wailing and screaming pleas for mercy .
All these fell on deaf ears .
We provide full reviews of each browser in the Reviews section , but for a helpful summary click through to the next page.OK , expectation of any sort of positive review of any browser has been set to zero.The only consolation is that the popularity of the top 12 browsers is re-examined every six months.Which means PCPro will have a steady ad revenue from writing meaningless reviews cobbled from the barest minimum of testing where the browser used by the least whiny of the random-picked team gets top marks just because that person hates change the least.In fact , maybe a PC Pro browser is exactly what the EU needsIf it 's written with the same attention and care to detail as the articles , the first installed instance of it will crash the Internet and bring civilization to a smoking ruin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:we installed each browser on the same Windows 7 computer and tested their speed in the SunSpider benchmark, their memory usage with the Google home page open in a single tab, and their startup times – measured from the moment we clicked the icon to the browser window appearing.Expectation for any sort of consistency in the testing parameters has been set to zero.
But, at least we get to see which browsers are most-liked and offer a nice user experience, right?Then we asked seven members of the PC Pro team to abandon their favoured browser and switch to one of these alternatives.
To say they were delighted to do so would be a lie: there was gnashing of teeth, wailing and screaming pleas for mercy.
All these fell on deaf ears.
We provide full reviews of each browser in the Reviews section, but for a helpful summary click through to the next page.OK, expectation of any sort of positive review of any browser has been set to zero.The only consolation is that the popularity of the top 12 browsers is re-examined every six months.Which means PCPro will have a steady ad revenue from writing meaningless reviews cobbled from the barest minimum of testing where the browser used by the least whiny of the random-picked team gets top marks just because that person hates change the least.In fact, maybe a PC Pro browser is exactly what the EU needsIf it's written with the same attention and care to detail as the articles, the first installed instance of it will crash the Internet and bring civilization to a smoking ruin.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31484138</id>
	<title>Is it all about eye candy?</title>
	<author>jc42</author>
	<datestamp>1268677500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article's review of K-Meleon stated most clearly what they were looking for:</p><p><i>"A browser that looks and performs like the software of yesteryear. Only an option for those running equally aged hardware."</i></p><p>Translation:</p><p><i>A browser that doesn't supply the flashy, cpu-maximizing eye candy that we like.</i></p><p>Of course, it's easy to understand that this is what's important to a lot of people.  But those of us in the market for a sleek, compact browser that doesn't interfere with the important things that are also running on our machines, reviews like this simply tell us that we should find a different reviewer.  Is there a review out there that compares these (and other) browsers on the basis of functionality, resource usage, and other more practical attributes?</p><p>(Of course, people like that probably aren't much using Windows 7, so maybe this article was a good review for most of the actual customer base.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article 's review of K-Meleon stated most clearly what they were looking for : " A browser that looks and performs like the software of yesteryear .
Only an option for those running equally aged hardware .
" Translation : A browser that does n't supply the flashy , cpu-maximizing eye candy that we like.Of course , it 's easy to understand that this is what 's important to a lot of people .
But those of us in the market for a sleek , compact browser that does n't interfere with the important things that are also running on our machines , reviews like this simply tell us that we should find a different reviewer .
Is there a review out there that compares these ( and other ) browsers on the basis of functionality , resource usage , and other more practical attributes ?
( Of course , people like that probably are n't much using Windows 7 , so maybe this article was a good review for most of the actual customer base .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article's review of K-Meleon stated most clearly what they were looking for:"A browser that looks and performs like the software of yesteryear.
Only an option for those running equally aged hardware.
"Translation:A browser that doesn't supply the flashy, cpu-maximizing eye candy that we like.Of course, it's easy to understand that this is what's important to a lot of people.
But those of us in the market for a sleek, compact browser that doesn't interfere with the important things that are also running on our machines, reviews like this simply tell us that we should find a different reviewer.
Is there a review out there that compares these (and other) browsers on the basis of functionality, resource usage, and other more practical attributes?
(Of course, people like that probably aren't much using Windows 7, so maybe this article was a good review for most of the actual customer base.
;-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31483808</id>
	<title>Re:Avant browser == front-end for IE</title>
	<author>dn15</author>
	<datestamp>1268676180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be the devil's advocate, there are lots of browsers that share rendering engines, but that doesn't mean they don't count. Also on that list are Safari and Chrome (both using WebKit) as well as Firefox, K-meleon and Flock (all using Gecko.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be the devil 's advocate , there are lots of browsers that share rendering engines , but that does n't mean they do n't count .
Also on that list are Safari and Chrome ( both using WebKit ) as well as Firefox , K-meleon and Flock ( all using Gecko .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be the devil's advocate, there are lots of browsers that share rendering engines, but that doesn't mean they don't count.
Also on that list are Safari and Chrome (both using WebKit) as well as Firefox, K-meleon and Flock (all using Gecko.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481604</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31483340</id>
	<title>Re:Avant browser == front-end for IE</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1268674260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The EU supposedly base the lists on "market share" though I haven't seen any reference as to exactly what they mean by that.</i> </p><p>It runs on Win 7. It shows a pulse. However faint.</p><p>In the long run, I suspect most users will go with what looks like the best fit for their Microsoft Windows OS, which will be iE8 and its successors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU supposedly base the lists on " market share " though I have n't seen any reference as to exactly what they mean by that .
It runs on Win 7 .
It shows a pulse .
However faint.In the long run , I suspect most users will go with what looks like the best fit for their Microsoft Windows OS , which will be iE8 and its successors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU supposedly base the lists on "market share" though I haven't seen any reference as to exactly what they mean by that.
It runs on Win 7.
It shows a pulse.
However faint.In the long run, I suspect most users will go with what looks like the best fit for their Microsoft Windows OS, which will be iE8 and its successors.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481794</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482744</id>
	<title>Working Perfectly</title>
	<author>swinefc</author>
	<datestamp>1268671740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this setup is working.  It is creating real competition.  Sure, the seven browsers offered right now are crap, but before MS was forced to offer choices, these browsers would have zero exposure.  There was little incentive to try to update any browser that wasn't backed by someone with deep pockets.  So, no one tried.  Most of these are simple pet projects.  Now, developers might be interested.  Investors have a way to inexpensively get software in front of millions of users.  These choices will only get better.  The barrier to entry has been lowered.  Microsoft has been forced to compete with the little guy.  Right now, the little guy is loosing, but these seven have nowhere to go, but up.</p><p>Score one for the EU.  They had the balls to make change instead of just fining M$ millions of their billions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this setup is working .
It is creating real competition .
Sure , the seven browsers offered right now are crap , but before MS was forced to offer choices , these browsers would have zero exposure .
There was little incentive to try to update any browser that was n't backed by someone with deep pockets .
So , no one tried .
Most of these are simple pet projects .
Now , developers might be interested .
Investors have a way to inexpensively get software in front of millions of users .
These choices will only get better .
The barrier to entry has been lowered .
Microsoft has been forced to compete with the little guy .
Right now , the little guy is loosing , but these seven have nowhere to go , but up.Score one for the EU .
They had the balls to make change instead of just fining M $ millions of their billions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this setup is working.
It is creating real competition.
Sure, the seven browsers offered right now are crap, but before MS was forced to offer choices, these browsers would have zero exposure.
There was little incentive to try to update any browser that wasn't backed by someone with deep pockets.
So, no one tried.
Most of these are simple pet projects.
Now, developers might be interested.
Investors have a way to inexpensively get software in front of millions of users.
These choices will only get better.
The barrier to entry has been lowered.
Microsoft has been forced to compete with the little guy.
Right now, the little guy is loosing, but these seven have nowhere to go, but up.Score one for the EU.
They had the balls to make change instead of just fining M$ millions of their billions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482944</id>
	<title>Re:Lynx?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268672640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flock in my native language means pussy juice<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flock in my native language means pussy juice .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flock in my native language means pussy juice ...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481732</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31481634</id>
	<title>IE engine with a new GUI</title>
	<author>TorKlingberg</author>
	<datestamp>1268666580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many of these are the IE rendering engine wrapped in a new user interface. They appeared in the days when IE development was dead and provided useful things like tabs and popup blocking, while staying compatible with the IE6-only websites that used to be everywhere.</p><p>Maxthon for one is very popular in China because it supports ActiveX which many Chinese banking websites rely on (bleh), and it is much nicer to use than IE6. I am not sure how it compares to IE8 though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many of these are the IE rendering engine wrapped in a new user interface .
They appeared in the days when IE development was dead and provided useful things like tabs and popup blocking , while staying compatible with the IE6-only websites that used to be everywhere.Maxthon for one is very popular in China because it supports ActiveX which many Chinese banking websites rely on ( bleh ) , and it is much nicer to use than IE6 .
I am not sure how it compares to IE8 though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many of these are the IE rendering engine wrapped in a new user interface.
They appeared in the days when IE development was dead and provided useful things like tabs and popup blocking, while staying compatible with the IE6-only websites that used to be everywhere.Maxthon for one is very popular in China because it supports ActiveX which many Chinese banking websites rely on (bleh), and it is much nicer to use than IE6.
I am not sure how it compares to IE8 though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31483260</id>
	<title>Re:This won't make the user happier</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268674020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love how, year in and year out, this amazing bullshit artist is cited as the second coming of Socrates. Of course, the cure for having too much choice is a nice constricting monopoly, so I'm sure Microsoft loves this guy. For that matter, there's this wonderful place called "prison" where <em>every choice is made for you</em>, even down to when to poop, so if Schwartz is right then we should all be clamoring for our own cell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love how , year in and year out , this amazing bullshit artist is cited as the second coming of Socrates .
Of course , the cure for having too much choice is a nice constricting monopoly , so I 'm sure Microsoft loves this guy .
For that matter , there 's this wonderful place called " prison " where every choice is made for you , even down to when to poop , so if Schwartz is right then we should all be clamoring for our own cell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love how, year in and year out, this amazing bullshit artist is cited as the second coming of Socrates.
Of course, the cure for having too much choice is a nice constricting monopoly, so I'm sure Microsoft loves this guy.
For that matter, there's this wonderful place called "prison" where every choice is made for you, even down to when to poop, so if Schwartz is right then we should all be clamoring for our own cell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482436</id>
	<title>Re:Avant browser == front-end for IE</title>
	<author>Jason Levine</author>
	<datestamp>1268670420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maxthon, GreenBrowser and SlimBrowser are IE Front ends also.  It means that 4 of the 7 (with Avant) are just IE Shells.  One that is an IE/Gecko shell (Sleipnir).  One that is essentially a FireFox offshoot (Flock) and K-Meleon.</p><p>Not that I have anything against Maxthon.  Back when I was an IE user, it was my stepping stone to FireFox (though I didn't realize it at the time).  I used it instead of IE6, the most current version of IE at the time, and was impressed by the tabbed browsing, pop-up/ad blocking and other "cool new" features while not having to completely abandon my IE-comfort-zone.  Of course, I grew accustomed to having these features so going on a plain-IE PC turned into a chore.  Then, one day, I decided to give FireFox a chance.  It was a bit of an adjustment, but not as bad as I thought it would be.  So while I wouldn't install Maxthon now, I do appreciate how it helped me transition from IE6 to FireFox.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maxthon , GreenBrowser and SlimBrowser are IE Front ends also .
It means that 4 of the 7 ( with Avant ) are just IE Shells .
One that is an IE/Gecko shell ( Sleipnir ) .
One that is essentially a FireFox offshoot ( Flock ) and K-Meleon.Not that I have anything against Maxthon .
Back when I was an IE user , it was my stepping stone to FireFox ( though I did n't realize it at the time ) .
I used it instead of IE6 , the most current version of IE at the time , and was impressed by the tabbed browsing , pop-up/ad blocking and other " cool new " features while not having to completely abandon my IE-comfort-zone .
Of course , I grew accustomed to having these features so going on a plain-IE PC turned into a chore .
Then , one day , I decided to give FireFox a chance .
It was a bit of an adjustment , but not as bad as I thought it would be .
So while I would n't install Maxthon now , I do appreciate how it helped me transition from IE6 to FireFox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maxthon, GreenBrowser and SlimBrowser are IE Front ends also.
It means that 4 of the 7 (with Avant) are just IE Shells.
One that is an IE/Gecko shell (Sleipnir).
One that is essentially a FireFox offshoot (Flock) and K-Meleon.Not that I have anything against Maxthon.
Back when I was an IE user, it was my stepping stone to FireFox (though I didn't realize it at the time).
I used it instead of IE6, the most current version of IE at the time, and was impressed by the tabbed browsing, pop-up/ad blocking and other "cool new" features while not having to completely abandon my IE-comfort-zone.
Of course, I grew accustomed to having these features so going on a plain-IE PC turned into a chore.
Then, one day, I decided to give FireFox a chance.
It was a bit of an adjustment, but not as bad as I thought it would be.
So while I wouldn't install Maxthon now, I do appreciate how it helped me transition from IE6 to FireFox.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31485204</id>
	<title>Re:Lynx?</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1268681460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, that's not REALLY funny.  I mean, I installed it, fired it up, and was testing it for several minutes, before I realized it was a pun.  Dammit, I felt blonde . . . .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , that 's not REALLY funny .
I mean , I installed it , fired it up , and was testing it for several minutes , before I realized it was a pun .
Dammit , I felt blonde .
. .
.</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, that's not REALLY funny.
I mean, I installed it, fired it up, and was testing it for several minutes, before I realized it was a pun.
Dammit, I felt blonde .
. .
.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31484762</id>
	<title>Re:Lynx?</title>
	<author>lowrydr310</author>
	<datestamp>1268679660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used to do something similar with TNT: an emacs AIM client!!! Truly amazing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to do something similar with TNT : an emacs AIM client ! ! !
Truly amazing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to do something similar with TNT: an emacs AIM client!!!
Truly amazing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482304</id>
	<title>Re:Lynx?</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1268669760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;Hey! Where's Lynx?</p><p>I've tried Lynx multiple times, but always end-up returning to "Links".  I think it's more user-friendly and easier to read the sites (like slashdot).</p><p>The thing I like about these browsers is that you can have them open at work, and to your boss they look like esoteric programming Terminal windows rather than browsers.  i.e. He thinks you're working.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; Hey !
Where 's Lynx ? I 've tried Lynx multiple times , but always end-up returning to " Links " .
I think it 's more user-friendly and easier to read the sites ( like slashdot ) .The thing I like about these browsers is that you can have them open at work , and to your boss they look like esoteric programming Terminal windows rather than browsers .
i.e. He thinks you 're working .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;Hey!
Where's Lynx?I've tried Lynx multiple times, but always end-up returning to "Links".
I think it's more user-friendly and easier to read the sites (like slashdot).The thing I like about these browsers is that you can have them open at work, and to your boss they look like esoteric programming Terminal windows rather than browsers.
i.e. He thinks you're working.
;-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31483246</id>
	<title>Hidden!?</title>
	<author>jimshatt</author>
	<datestamp>1268673960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is displaying 12 choices in an area that has a limited size that fits 5 of the 12 choices 'hiding' 7 choices?? I mean, that's like saying<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./ 'hides' all but one comment. Oh yeah, there's this scroll-bar thingy, but that's for advanced users, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is displaying 12 choices in an area that has a limited size that fits 5 of the 12 choices 'hiding ' 7 choices ? ?
I mean , that 's like saying ./ 'hides ' all but one comment .
Oh yeah , there 's this scroll-bar thingy , but that 's for advanced users , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is displaying 12 choices in an area that has a limited size that fits 5 of the 12 choices 'hiding' 7 choices??
I mean, that's like saying ./ 'hides' all but one comment.
Oh yeah, there's this scroll-bar thingy, but that's for advanced users, right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31483998</id>
	<title>Re:And thus the folly is proven</title>
	<author>ThirdPrize</author>
	<datestamp>1268676960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is probably a good thing.  I hang around on tech websites and I had never heard of most of the bottom ones, and in that respect I would be wary of recommending anyone install them on their PCs.  In the long run it's probably better the user installs IE8 or FF than have them install some half baked bit of software thats not really used by anyone except the half dozen people who contribute to it.  just cos it is open source doesn't make it good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is probably a good thing .
I hang around on tech websites and I had never heard of most of the bottom ones , and in that respect I would be wary of recommending anyone install them on their PCs .
In the long run it 's probably better the user installs IE8 or FF than have them install some half baked bit of software thats not really used by anyone except the half dozen people who contribute to it .
just cos it is open source does n't make it good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is probably a good thing.
I hang around on tech websites and I had never heard of most of the bottom ones, and in that respect I would be wary of recommending anyone install them on their PCs.
In the long run it's probably better the user installs IE8 or FF than have them install some half baked bit of software thats not really used by anyone except the half dozen people who contribute to it.
just cos it is open source doesn't make it good.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482004</id>
	<title>Re:Lynx?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268668200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One could also ask: Where's Netscape?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One could also ask : Where 's Netscape ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One could also ask: Where's Netscape?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31485392</id>
	<title>Re:Avant browser == front-end for IE</title>
	<author>tixxit</author>
	<datestamp>1268682180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I personally think its ridiculous that MS has to offer alternative browsers at all. An operating system is not just the kernel, but all the software bundled on top. IE8 is just a value add on top of windows; one you can easily replace. That some users are so incompetent (I say this with love) they could not install another browser is a testament to the reason why MS even bundled IE8 to start with. Windows is usually bundled with lots of software that have alternatives; from games, to notepad, to web servers. Why not give users a choice of Apache, Lighttpd, IIS, etc. when installing Windows? I say this as a guy who has been using primarily using Linux, both at home and work, for the past 8 or 9 years. I think I'd be very annoyed if Ubuntu required me to choose amongst alternatives for each large piece of software it installs by default.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I personally think its ridiculous that MS has to offer alternative browsers at all .
An operating system is not just the kernel , but all the software bundled on top .
IE8 is just a value add on top of windows ; one you can easily replace .
That some users are so incompetent ( I say this with love ) they could not install another browser is a testament to the reason why MS even bundled IE8 to start with .
Windows is usually bundled with lots of software that have alternatives ; from games , to notepad , to web servers .
Why not give users a choice of Apache , Lighttpd , IIS , etc .
when installing Windows ?
I say this as a guy who has been using primarily using Linux , both at home and work , for the past 8 or 9 years .
I think I 'd be very annoyed if Ubuntu required me to choose amongst alternatives for each large piece of software it installs by default .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I personally think its ridiculous that MS has to offer alternative browsers at all.
An operating system is not just the kernel, but all the software bundled on top.
IE8 is just a value add on top of windows; one you can easily replace.
That some users are so incompetent (I say this with love) they could not install another browser is a testament to the reason why MS even bundled IE8 to start with.
Windows is usually bundled with lots of software that have alternatives; from games, to notepad, to web servers.
Why not give users a choice of Apache, Lighttpd, IIS, etc.
when installing Windows?
I say this as a guy who has been using primarily using Linux, both at home and work, for the past 8 or 9 years.
I think I'd be very annoyed if Ubuntu required me to choose amongst alternatives for each large piece of software it installs by default.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31491610</id>
	<title>Re:Working Perfectly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268670840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the hell are you talking about? Competition doesn't mean you force one company to promote another for free. Microsoft's product is an Operating system. This is *THEIR* vision of what a user needs to get up and running on PC hardware.</p><p>They don't sell PCs. Look at all the crapware and shovelware that gets shipped with new PCs. How come all those companies managed to convince OEMs to include their crap? Why should browser makers be any different?</p><p>Guess what? OEMs are *already* free to choose what software they bundle with. If anything the EU should just make sure that MS isn't negotiating exclusive agreements with OEMs to lock-out competition. Thats IT. The actual promoting of products should be done by the product makers themselves.</p><p>Also, who gives a shit if they are open source and have no money. Just because you're open source doesn't mean you get to play by different rules.</p><p>EU is moving ever closer towards economic socialism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell are you talking about ?
Competition does n't mean you force one company to promote another for free .
Microsoft 's product is an Operating system .
This is * THEIR * vision of what a user needs to get up and running on PC hardware.They do n't sell PCs .
Look at all the crapware and shovelware that gets shipped with new PCs .
How come all those companies managed to convince OEMs to include their crap ?
Why should browser makers be any different ? Guess what ?
OEMs are * already * free to choose what software they bundle with .
If anything the EU should just make sure that MS is n't negotiating exclusive agreements with OEMs to lock-out competition .
Thats IT .
The actual promoting of products should be done by the product makers themselves.Also , who gives a shit if they are open source and have no money .
Just because you 're open source does n't mean you get to play by different rules.EU is moving ever closer towards economic socialism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell are you talking about?
Competition doesn't mean you force one company to promote another for free.
Microsoft's product is an Operating system.
This is *THEIR* vision of what a user needs to get up and running on PC hardware.They don't sell PCs.
Look at all the crapware and shovelware that gets shipped with new PCs.
How come all those companies managed to convince OEMs to include their crap?
Why should browser makers be any different?Guess what?
OEMs are *already* free to choose what software they bundle with.
If anything the EU should just make sure that MS isn't negotiating exclusive agreements with OEMs to lock-out competition.
Thats IT.
The actual promoting of products should be done by the product makers themselves.Also, who gives a shit if they are open source and have no money.
Just because you're open source doesn't mean you get to play by different rules.EU is moving ever closer towards economic socialism.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31484774</id>
	<title>That's the Point, Isn't It?</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1268679660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... the other five are only likely to give an internet novice a horribly outdated idea of what web browsing is like.</p></div><p>The "other five" are there to make IE8 look good by comparison as well as infer that <i>all</i> alternative browsers are inferior while making Microsoft look magnanimous and unafraid of competition.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... the other five are only likely to give an internet novice a horribly outdated idea of what web browsing is like.The " other five " are there to make IE8 look good by comparison as well as infer that all alternative browsers are inferior while making Microsoft look magnanimous and unafraid of competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... the other five are only likely to give an internet novice a horribly outdated idea of what web browsing is like.The "other five" are there to make IE8 look good by comparison as well as infer that all alternative browsers are inferior while making Microsoft look magnanimous and unafraid of competition.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_130204.31482446</id>
	<title>Outdated browsing</title>
	<author>Cloud K</author>
	<datestamp>1268670480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"the other five are only likely to give an internet novice a horribly outdated idea of what web browsing is like."</p><p>One of them must be Internet Explorer.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Probably version 6.  I know it's "dead" but like a JRPG boss, it will keep coming back until we kill the evil mastermind behind it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" the other five are only likely to give an internet novice a horribly outdated idea of what web browsing is like .
" One of them must be Internet Explorer .
: ) Probably version 6 .
I know it 's " dead " but like a JRPG boss , it will keep coming back until we kill the evil mastermind behind it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"the other five are only likely to give an internet novice a horribly outdated idea of what web browsing is like.
"One of them must be Internet Explorer.
:)Probably version 6.
I know it's "dead" but like a JRPG boss, it will keep coming back until we kill the evil mastermind behind it.</sentencetext>
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