<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_14_1321251</id>
	<title>Venezuela's Chavez To Limit Internet Freedom</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1268580780000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>terets1 writes <i>"Reuters reports that Venezuela's leader, Hugo Chavez, <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62D05I20100314">issued a call on Saturday for 'internet controls'</a> to prevent rumors and inaccurate reporting from spreading.  He specifically cited a case in which a website incorrectly reported that a senior minister had been assassinated and kept the story up for two days.  Many of Venezuela's opposition movements use social networking sites to communicate.  It is not apparent at this time exactly what kind of controls Chavez has in mind or whether those controls will be similar to the controls in Iran that have been used to silence opposition movements. Chavez said, 'The Internet cannot be something open where anything is said and done. Every country has to apply its own rules and norms.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>terets1 writes " Reuters reports that Venezuela 's leader , Hugo Chavez , issued a call on Saturday for 'internet controls ' to prevent rumors and inaccurate reporting from spreading .
He specifically cited a case in which a website incorrectly reported that a senior minister had been assassinated and kept the story up for two days .
Many of Venezuela 's opposition movements use social networking sites to communicate .
It is not apparent at this time exactly what kind of controls Chavez has in mind or whether those controls will be similar to the controls in Iran that have been used to silence opposition movements .
Chavez said , 'The Internet can not be something open where anything is said and done .
Every country has to apply its own rules and norms .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>terets1 writes "Reuters reports that Venezuela's leader, Hugo Chavez, issued a call on Saturday for 'internet controls' to prevent rumors and inaccurate reporting from spreading.
He specifically cited a case in which a website incorrectly reported that a senior minister had been assassinated and kept the story up for two days.
Many of Venezuela's opposition movements use social networking sites to communicate.
It is not apparent at this time exactly what kind of controls Chavez has in mind or whether those controls will be similar to the controls in Iran that have been used to silence opposition movements.
Chavez said, 'The Internet cannot be something open where anything is said and done.
Every country has to apply its own rules and norms.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31478510</id>
	<title>Slander anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268592960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes.  Chavez shut down corporate bureaucracies which were printing propaganda to further their special interests.  Its not a crime to prosecute slander on a well documented institutional level, but a protection of the common people's freedom to an open and accurate press (just look at the thousands of retractions hidden at the back of the Times each week); though I agree it could be a slippery slope for any nation to pursue on a case by case basis.  It probably would be best to confront this issue at its source, namely the privatization of wealth and the privatization of the press.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
Chavez shut down corporate bureaucracies which were printing propaganda to further their special interests .
Its not a crime to prosecute slander on a well documented institutional level , but a protection of the common people 's freedom to an open and accurate press ( just look at the thousands of retractions hidden at the back of the Times each week ) ; though I agree it could be a slippery slope for any nation to pursue on a case by case basis .
It probably would be best to confront this issue at its source , namely the privatization of wealth and the privatization of the press .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.
Chavez shut down corporate bureaucracies which were printing propaganda to further their special interests.
Its not a crime to prosecute slander on a well documented institutional level, but a protection of the common people's freedom to an open and accurate press (just look at the thousands of retractions hidden at the back of the Times each week); though I agree it could be a slippery slope for any nation to pursue on a case by case basis.
It probably would be best to confront this issue at its source, namely the privatization of wealth and the privatization of the press.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31474390</id>
	<title>Typical tinpot dictator</title>
	<author>phlegmboy</author>
	<datestamp>1268559540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Chavez is just another tinpot dictator with a really small penis who doesn't like it when people don't bow down and kiss his ass. The sooner the people step up and bitchslap the little wanker the better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chavez is just another tinpot dictator with a really small penis who does n't like it when people do n't bow down and kiss his ass .
The sooner the people step up and bitchslap the little wanker the better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chavez is just another tinpot dictator with a really small penis who doesn't like it when people don't bow down and kiss his ass.
The sooner the people step up and bitchslap the little wanker the better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31474136</id>
	<title>Re:Question ANYTHING you hear about Venezuela</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1268557320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Venezuela is sitting on one of the largest oil reservoirs outside the US and the middle east. To make matters worse, they kicked out foreign oil companies because they want to exploit them themselves.</p></div><p>Actually, they want to make all the profit themselves with foreign oil companies providing the capital to further develop those reservoirs. You are not wrong that their oil does increase the interest of the world in how they manage their affairs. The thing to realize is that there are two things that concern the world. One, the fact that Venezuela (under Hugo Chavez) signed contracts with foreign companies to develop oil resources and then unilaterally modified what percentage of the profits went to those companies. Two, Venezuela's output of oil has been slowly, steadily declining since Chavez took control of the oil fields.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Venezuela is sitting on one of the largest oil reservoirs outside the US and the middle east .
To make matters worse , they kicked out foreign oil companies because they want to exploit them themselves.Actually , they want to make all the profit themselves with foreign oil companies providing the capital to further develop those reservoirs .
You are not wrong that their oil does increase the interest of the world in how they manage their affairs .
The thing to realize is that there are two things that concern the world .
One , the fact that Venezuela ( under Hugo Chavez ) signed contracts with foreign companies to develop oil resources and then unilaterally modified what percentage of the profits went to those companies .
Two , Venezuela 's output of oil has been slowly , steadily declining since Chavez took control of the oil fields .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Venezuela is sitting on one of the largest oil reservoirs outside the US and the middle east.
To make matters worse, they kicked out foreign oil companies because they want to exploit them themselves.Actually, they want to make all the profit themselves with foreign oil companies providing the capital to further develop those reservoirs.
You are not wrong that their oil does increase the interest of the world in how they manage their affairs.
The thing to realize is that there are two things that concern the world.
One, the fact that Venezuela (under Hugo Chavez) signed contracts with foreign companies to develop oil resources and then unilaterally modified what percentage of the profits went to those companies.
Two, Venezuela's output of oil has been slowly, steadily declining since Chavez took control of the oil fields.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473126</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472328</id>
	<title>A Dictator Stifles The Press?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268584620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This isn't shocking. In fact, I'm surprised it took him this long. Maybe someone should give Mr Chavez China's number so he can get some first hand tips on how to handle this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't shocking .
In fact , I 'm surprised it took him this long .
Maybe someone should give Mr Chavez China 's number so he can get some first hand tips on how to handle this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't shocking.
In fact, I'm surprised it took him this long.
Maybe someone should give Mr Chavez China's number so he can get some first hand tips on how to handle this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473126</id>
	<title>Question ANYTHING you hear about Venezuela</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1268591580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Venezuela is sitting on one of the largest oil reservoirs outside the US and the middle east. To make matters worse, they kicked out foreign oil companies because they want to exploit them themselves.</p><p>So I can see a lot of interest to oust the current government. By domestic and international interests that would love to see Chavez gone. Please do note that I neither say it is so nor that it ain't so. I am not in Venezuela, I just watch the whole deal from afar with a keen interest because Venezuela and the thing going on in the country and around it are a prime example of a propaganda war happening.</p><p>Take EVERYTHING you hear about Venezuela with a grain of salt. Make that an ounce. Or more. Verify with as many sources as you can, and forget about "independent sources". If you can find one, please inform me, I couldn't. Take all the propaganda from ALL sides and draw your conclusions afterwards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Venezuela is sitting on one of the largest oil reservoirs outside the US and the middle east .
To make matters worse , they kicked out foreign oil companies because they want to exploit them themselves.So I can see a lot of interest to oust the current government .
By domestic and international interests that would love to see Chavez gone .
Please do note that I neither say it is so nor that it ai n't so .
I am not in Venezuela , I just watch the whole deal from afar with a keen interest because Venezuela and the thing going on in the country and around it are a prime example of a propaganda war happening.Take EVERYTHING you hear about Venezuela with a grain of salt .
Make that an ounce .
Or more .
Verify with as many sources as you can , and forget about " independent sources " .
If you can find one , please inform me , I could n't .
Take all the propaganda from ALL sides and draw your conclusions afterwards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Venezuela is sitting on one of the largest oil reservoirs outside the US and the middle east.
To make matters worse, they kicked out foreign oil companies because they want to exploit them themselves.So I can see a lot of interest to oust the current government.
By domestic and international interests that would love to see Chavez gone.
Please do note that I neither say it is so nor that it ain't so.
I am not in Venezuela, I just watch the whole deal from afar with a keen interest because Venezuela and the thing going on in the country and around it are a prime example of a propaganda war happening.Take EVERYTHING you hear about Venezuela with a grain of salt.
Make that an ounce.
Or more.
Verify with as many sources as you can, and forget about "independent sources".
If you can find one, please inform me, I couldn't.
Take all the propaganda from ALL sides and draw your conclusions afterwards.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472632</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268587080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow - what is this, Fark?</p><p>Chavez is a dictator - what he is doing surprises no one.</p><p>People should not dismiss the possibility of this happening here - <i>under any kind of administration - democrat or republican</i> - and should make sure they speak up early and often.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow - what is this , Fark ? Chavez is a dictator - what he is doing surprises no one.People should not dismiss the possibility of this happening here - under any kind of administration - democrat or republican - and should make sure they speak up early and often .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow - what is this, Fark?Chavez is a dictator - what he is doing surprises no one.People should not dismiss the possibility of this happening here - under any kind of administration - democrat or republican - and should make sure they speak up early and often.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472310</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473012</id>
	<title>Nobel</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1268590680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Things like this shows why internet, in its pure, free (in all meanings), unfiltered and universally available way should get a nobel peace prize. And why all that claim to be free countries must push forward to make it keep going in that way, or face what they really are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Things like this shows why internet , in its pure , free ( in all meanings ) , unfiltered and universally available way should get a nobel peace prize .
And why all that claim to be free countries must push forward to make it keep going in that way , or face what they really are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Things like this shows why internet, in its pure, free (in all meanings), unfiltered and universally available way should get a nobel peace prize.
And why all that claim to be free countries must push forward to make it keep going in that way, or face what they really are.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473530</id>
	<title>Chavez is great</title>
	<author>Sam36</author>
	<datestamp>1268595180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Chavez is a great man. He even has his own tv show <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hugochavez/view/?utm\_campaign=viewpage&amp;utm\_medium=grid&amp;utm\_source=grid" title="pbs.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hugochavez/view/?utm\_campaign=viewpage&amp;utm\_medium=grid&amp;utm\_source=grid</a> [pbs.org] where he has been know to declare wars from on a whim</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chavez is a great man .
He even has his own tv show http : //www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hugochavez/view/ ? utm \ _campaign = viewpage&amp;utm \ _medium = grid&amp;utm \ _source = grid [ pbs.org ] where he has been know to declare wars from on a whim</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chavez is a great man.
He even has his own tv show http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hugochavez/view/?utm\_campaign=viewpage&amp;utm\_medium=grid&amp;utm\_source=grid [pbs.org] where he has been know to declare wars from on a whim</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472822</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>causality</author>
	<datestamp>1268588940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"You think outright censorship is very far away?"</p><p>Actually, yes, it is. It's blatantly unconstitutional, and the First Amendment isn't going to go anywhere. You don't need to get over an "it can't happen here" mentality, you need to get over your baseless paranoia.</p></div><p>Three words for you:  free speech zones.  If you're not familiar with the logic behind them, please look it up.  In a nutshell, the (bullshit) "logic" is that the FIrst Amendment guarantees free speech, but does not specify where that right may be exercised.  Any reasonable person would conclude that the Constitution does not list specific locations because it applies everywhere in the USA, but that doesn't suit the authoritarian mentality.  So now they can tell you that you may not practice free speech where any decision-makers are likely to hear you, right here in the USA.
<br> <br>
The dangers of that path, of allowing such flimsy and easily-abused exceptions to what are supposed to be inalienable rights, are both extreme and seldom appreciated.  It is not the right way; it is not a good path.  It also sets a precedent.
<br> <br>
So, they already get around that pesky Constitution when it comes to physical protests.  The only real surprise will be if they don't find such clever ways to skirt the First Amendment when it comes to the Internet.  That's the mentality you're dealing with here.  It will because it can, and any excuse will do.
<br> <br>
Calling it "baseless paranoia" suggests that it's impossible or extremely unlikely, that nothing like this has ever happened before, that there's no reason not to trust our federal government.  It's neither "baseless" nor is it "paranoia" if you actually take a look at the direction in which this country has been heading.  Of course, that will require that when you see a spade, you call it a spade.  Some people have a much easier time with this than others.  Obviously others prefer to bury their heads in the sand and label as "paranoid" anyone who makes that a little less comfortable.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" You think outright censorship is very far away ?
" Actually , yes , it is .
It 's blatantly unconstitutional , and the First Amendment is n't going to go anywhere .
You do n't need to get over an " it ca n't happen here " mentality , you need to get over your baseless paranoia.Three words for you : free speech zones .
If you 're not familiar with the logic behind them , please look it up .
In a nutshell , the ( bullshit ) " logic " is that the FIrst Amendment guarantees free speech , but does not specify where that right may be exercised .
Any reasonable person would conclude that the Constitution does not list specific locations because it applies everywhere in the USA , but that does n't suit the authoritarian mentality .
So now they can tell you that you may not practice free speech where any decision-makers are likely to hear you , right here in the USA .
The dangers of that path , of allowing such flimsy and easily-abused exceptions to what are supposed to be inalienable rights , are both extreme and seldom appreciated .
It is not the right way ; it is not a good path .
It also sets a precedent .
So , they already get around that pesky Constitution when it comes to physical protests .
The only real surprise will be if they do n't find such clever ways to skirt the First Amendment when it comes to the Internet .
That 's the mentality you 're dealing with here .
It will because it can , and any excuse will do .
Calling it " baseless paranoia " suggests that it 's impossible or extremely unlikely , that nothing like this has ever happened before , that there 's no reason not to trust our federal government .
It 's neither " baseless " nor is it " paranoia " if you actually take a look at the direction in which this country has been heading .
Of course , that will require that when you see a spade , you call it a spade .
Some people have a much easier time with this than others .
Obviously others prefer to bury their heads in the sand and label as " paranoid " anyone who makes that a little less comfortable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You think outright censorship is very far away?
"Actually, yes, it is.
It's blatantly unconstitutional, and the First Amendment isn't going to go anywhere.
You don't need to get over an "it can't happen here" mentality, you need to get over your baseless paranoia.Three words for you:  free speech zones.
If you're not familiar with the logic behind them, please look it up.
In a nutshell, the (bullshit) "logic" is that the FIrst Amendment guarantees free speech, but does not specify where that right may be exercised.
Any reasonable person would conclude that the Constitution does not list specific locations because it applies everywhere in the USA, but that doesn't suit the authoritarian mentality.
So now they can tell you that you may not practice free speech where any decision-makers are likely to hear you, right here in the USA.
The dangers of that path, of allowing such flimsy and easily-abused exceptions to what are supposed to be inalienable rights, are both extreme and seldom appreciated.
It is not the right way; it is not a good path.
It also sets a precedent.
So, they already get around that pesky Constitution when it comes to physical protests.
The only real surprise will be if they don't find such clever ways to skirt the First Amendment when it comes to the Internet.
That's the mentality you're dealing with here.
It will because it can, and any excuse will do.
Calling it "baseless paranoia" suggests that it's impossible or extremely unlikely, that nothing like this has ever happened before, that there's no reason not to trust our federal government.
It's neither "baseless" nor is it "paranoia" if you actually take a look at the direction in which this country has been heading.
Of course, that will require that when you see a spade, you call it a spade.
Some people have a much easier time with this than others.
Obviously others prefer to bury their heads in the sand and label as "paranoid" anyone who makes that a little less comfortable.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472482</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31478690</id>
	<title>userdude</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268595660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know china also has bans on certain internet content for political reasons, controlling media is a classic dictator move, I don't feel that Chavez is doing anything that most of the world's leaders would hesitate to do if they thought they could get away with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know china also has bans on certain internet content for political reasons , controlling media is a classic dictator move , I do n't feel that Chavez is doing anything that most of the world 's leaders would hesitate to do if they thought they could get away with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know china also has bans on certain internet content for political reasons, controlling media is a classic dictator move, I don't feel that Chavez is doing anything that most of the world's leaders would hesitate to do if they thought they could get away with it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31477304</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1268579880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I always laugh at this kind of garbage. It was neo-con reagan that ran 8 long years of deficits and ran up the debt like there was no tomorrow. It continued for 3 years with  Poppa Bush, and Clinton that dropped it to basically balanced. That was followed by W making reagan look like an amateur. And yet, Obama trying to bail out the nation from all this neo-con spending and suddenly Obama is running the nation into the ground. Heck, I still see ppl claiming that it was Clinton and Carter, both of whom ran decent budgets.<br> <br>
Likewise, it was W and the neo-cons that passed one of the absolutely worst intrusions into American lives since FDR. The Patriot act has been shown to have very little to do with terrorism and has been instead applied to drugs from Latin America and even common criminals. Yet, it is cowards like yourselves that scream that Obama will do this.  A good neo-con to the end.<br> <br> I wonder when the republicans will take back their party. I hope soon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always laugh at this kind of garbage .
It was neo-con reagan that ran 8 long years of deficits and ran up the debt like there was no tomorrow .
It continued for 3 years with Poppa Bush , and Clinton that dropped it to basically balanced .
That was followed by W making reagan look like an amateur .
And yet , Obama trying to bail out the nation from all this neo-con spending and suddenly Obama is running the nation into the ground .
Heck , I still see ppl claiming that it was Clinton and Carter , both of whom ran decent budgets .
Likewise , it was W and the neo-cons that passed one of the absolutely worst intrusions into American lives since FDR .
The Patriot act has been shown to have very little to do with terrorism and has been instead applied to drugs from Latin America and even common criminals .
Yet , it is cowards like yourselves that scream that Obama will do this .
A good neo-con to the end .
I wonder when the republicans will take back their party .
I hope soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always laugh at this kind of garbage.
It was neo-con reagan that ran 8 long years of deficits and ran up the debt like there was no tomorrow.
It continued for 3 years with  Poppa Bush, and Clinton that dropped it to basically balanced.
That was followed by W making reagan look like an amateur.
And yet, Obama trying to bail out the nation from all this neo-con spending and suddenly Obama is running the nation into the ground.
Heck, I still see ppl claiming that it was Clinton and Carter, both of whom ran decent budgets.
Likewise, it was W and the neo-cons that passed one of the absolutely worst intrusions into American lives since FDR.
The Patriot act has been shown to have very little to do with terrorism and has been instead applied to drugs from Latin America and even common criminals.
Yet, it is cowards like yourselves that scream that Obama will do this.
A good neo-con to the end.
I wonder when the republicans will take back their party.
I hope soon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472310</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472510</id>
	<title>Responsible</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1268586180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everyone must be "responsible" for their words.  Responsibility begins with registering your nicknames along with your address for our thugs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone must be " responsible " for their words .
Responsibility begins with registering your nicknames along with your address for our thugs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone must be "responsible" for their words.
Responsibility begins with registering your nicknames along with your address for our thugs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472370</id>
	<title>Prior art</title>
	<author>the\_raptor</author>
	<datestamp>1268584980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This shows how intellectually bankrupt Chavez is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... stealing this idea from the Australian government. Next he will be stealing from America and giving billions in untraceable loans to mismanaged corporations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This shows how intellectually bankrupt Chavez is ... stealing this idea from the Australian government .
Next he will be stealing from America and giving billions in untraceable loans to mismanaged corporations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This shows how intellectually bankrupt Chavez is ... stealing this idea from the Australian government.
Next he will be stealing from America and giving billions in untraceable loans to mismanaged corporations.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472434</id>
	<title>Permanent Intarweb Bolivarian Revolution!</title>
	<author>David Gerard</author>
	<datestamp>1268585580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hugo Chavez has promised to speed up "the construction of true socialism" in Venezuela now that he can stand for re-election indefinitely. "We have exploded the barriers to a <a href="http://newstechnica.com/2009/02/17/hugo-chvez-speeds-up-bolivarian-revolution/" title="newstechnica.com">permanent socialist revolution</a> [newstechnica.com]."</p><p>Chavez has already taken control of the country's vast oil wealth, expropriated private landholdings and businesses and instituted a programme of deep social reforms. He has attacked the "distribution of wealth" problem by destroying as much of it as possible. After Ch&aacute;vez promised to nationalise the biggest power and phone companies, the Caracas Stock Exchange closed nearly 20\% down, Electricidad de Caracas fell 25\% and CA Nacional Telefonos was suspended from trading. The Venezuelan Bolivar has been replaced in common use with twigs and small rocks, which suddenly have much greater practical exchange value.</p><p>Chavez next wants to merge all his coalition partners into a single party, remove the opposition television channel, monitor the Internet "appropriately," nationalise key businesses and rule by decree for a year. However, construction of a one-hundred-metre tall gold statue of himself in the Caracas city square that turns to follow the sun will be delayed until next year, and renaming the days of the week and months of the year after himself and his mother can wait until the year after.</p><p>Chavez' good friend Fidel Castro expressed his confidence that Chavez was in no danger from the US. "This is the CIA we're talking about," said Castro. "They could fuck up a wet dream. Hey, maybe they'll try the <i>exploding cigar</i> trick again. That's a <i>good</i> one."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugo Chavez has promised to speed up " the construction of true socialism " in Venezuela now that he can stand for re-election indefinitely .
" We have exploded the barriers to a permanent socialist revolution [ newstechnica.com ] .
" Chavez has already taken control of the country 's vast oil wealth , expropriated private landholdings and businesses and instituted a programme of deep social reforms .
He has attacked the " distribution of wealth " problem by destroying as much of it as possible .
After Ch   vez promised to nationalise the biggest power and phone companies , the Caracas Stock Exchange closed nearly 20 \ % down , Electricidad de Caracas fell 25 \ % and CA Nacional Telefonos was suspended from trading .
The Venezuelan Bolivar has been replaced in common use with twigs and small rocks , which suddenly have much greater practical exchange value.Chavez next wants to merge all his coalition partners into a single party , remove the opposition television channel , monitor the Internet " appropriately , " nationalise key businesses and rule by decree for a year .
However , construction of a one-hundred-metre tall gold statue of himself in the Caracas city square that turns to follow the sun will be delayed until next year , and renaming the days of the week and months of the year after himself and his mother can wait until the year after.Chavez ' good friend Fidel Castro expressed his confidence that Chavez was in no danger from the US .
" This is the CIA we 're talking about , " said Castro .
" They could fuck up a wet dream .
Hey , maybe they 'll try the exploding cigar trick again .
That 's a good one .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hugo Chavez has promised to speed up "the construction of true socialism" in Venezuela now that he can stand for re-election indefinitely.
"We have exploded the barriers to a permanent socialist revolution [newstechnica.com].
"Chavez has already taken control of the country's vast oil wealth, expropriated private landholdings and businesses and instituted a programme of deep social reforms.
He has attacked the "distribution of wealth" problem by destroying as much of it as possible.
After Chávez promised to nationalise the biggest power and phone companies, the Caracas Stock Exchange closed nearly 20\% down, Electricidad de Caracas fell 25\% and CA Nacional Telefonos was suspended from trading.
The Venezuelan Bolivar has been replaced in common use with twigs and small rocks, which suddenly have much greater practical exchange value.Chavez next wants to merge all his coalition partners into a single party, remove the opposition television channel, monitor the Internet "appropriately," nationalise key businesses and rule by decree for a year.
However, construction of a one-hundred-metre tall gold statue of himself in the Caracas city square that turns to follow the sun will be delayed until next year, and renaming the days of the week and months of the year after himself and his mother can wait until the year after.Chavez' good friend Fidel Castro expressed his confidence that Chavez was in no danger from the US.
"This is the CIA we're talking about," said Castro.
"They could fuck up a wet dream.
Hey, maybe they'll try the exploding cigar trick again.
That's a good one.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31477644</id>
	<title>Re:Another anti-Chavez ill-informed kneejerk react</title>
	<author>esaulgd</author>
	<datestamp>1268583060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Those irrational, anti-Chavez militants make it a point to accuse him of being a dictator although he is holding a democratically appointed position to which he was elected <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan\_presidential\_election,\_1998" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">time</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002\_Venezuelan\_coup\_d'\%C3\%A9tat\_attempt" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">and</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan\_presidential\_election,\_2006" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">again</a> [wikipedia.org] </p></div><p>All the elections held after 2004 were so biased and marred by irregularities that any first-world country would laugh at the idea of such frauds being considered valid in their own territory.<br>
Even the staunchest Chavez supporters will admit that:<br>
- Chavez's allies control the Electoral Board and have continuously changed the rules to whatever suits them.<br>
- Chavez constantly abuses the state's resources (mostly the state's TV channel and enforced national broadcasts) to deliver blatant propaganda.<br>
- Chavez openly engages in vote-buying operations before each election. The origin of the funds for such has never been clear.<br>
This is without including many more claims brought forth by the opposition, which fall in deaf ears because Chavez openly controls all powers of the state.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>and although he has been the target of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan\_coup\_attempts\_of\_1992" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">multiple</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002\_Venezuelan\_coup\_d'\%C3\%A9tat\_attempt" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">coup</a> [wikipedia.org] attempts, all of which were reverted by none other than Venezuela's people.  Is that what being a dictator is about?
</p></div><p>As another post said, the 1992 coup attempt was BY Chavez, not against Chavez. In the view of the government, supporters of the 1992 attempt are heroes and supporters of the 2002 attempt are criminals.<br>
There is no possible way to label this fact as anything other than hypocrisy. And a government that uses its own hypocritical viewpoint to impose penalties on its citizens cannot be labeled anything other than a tyranny.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Those irrational , anti-Chavez militants make it a point to accuse him of being a dictator although he is holding a democratically appointed position to which he was elected time [ wikipedia.org ] and [ wikipedia.org ] again [ wikipedia.org ] All the elections held after 2004 were so biased and marred by irregularities that any first-world country would laugh at the idea of such frauds being considered valid in their own territory .
Even the staunchest Chavez supporters will admit that : - Chavez 's allies control the Electoral Board and have continuously changed the rules to whatever suits them .
- Chavez constantly abuses the state 's resources ( mostly the state 's TV channel and enforced national broadcasts ) to deliver blatant propaganda .
- Chavez openly engages in vote-buying operations before each election .
The origin of the funds for such has never been clear .
This is without including many more claims brought forth by the opposition , which fall in deaf ears because Chavez openly controls all powers of the state.and although he has been the target of multiple [ wikipedia.org ] coup [ wikipedia.org ] attempts , all of which were reverted by none other than Venezuela 's people .
Is that what being a dictator is about ?
As another post said , the 1992 coup attempt was BY Chavez , not against Chavez .
In the view of the government , supporters of the 1992 attempt are heroes and supporters of the 2002 attempt are criminals .
There is no possible way to label this fact as anything other than hypocrisy .
And a government that uses its own hypocritical viewpoint to impose penalties on its citizens can not be labeled anything other than a tyranny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those irrational, anti-Chavez militants make it a point to accuse him of being a dictator although he is holding a democratically appointed position to which he was elected time [wikipedia.org] and [wikipedia.org] again [wikipedia.org] All the elections held after 2004 were so biased and marred by irregularities that any first-world country would laugh at the idea of such frauds being considered valid in their own territory.
Even the staunchest Chavez supporters will admit that:
- Chavez's allies control the Electoral Board and have continuously changed the rules to whatever suits them.
- Chavez constantly abuses the state's resources (mostly the state's TV channel and enforced national broadcasts) to deliver blatant propaganda.
- Chavez openly engages in vote-buying operations before each election.
The origin of the funds for such has never been clear.
This is without including many more claims brought forth by the opposition, which fall in deaf ears because Chavez openly controls all powers of the state.and although he has been the target of multiple [wikipedia.org] coup [wikipedia.org] attempts, all of which were reverted by none other than Venezuela's people.
Is that what being a dictator is about?
As another post said, the 1992 coup attempt was BY Chavez, not against Chavez.
In the view of the government, supporters of the 1992 attempt are heroes and supporters of the 2002 attempt are criminals.
There is no possible way to label this fact as anything other than hypocrisy.
And a government that uses its own hypocritical viewpoint to impose penalties on its citizens cannot be labeled anything other than a tyranny.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473796</id>
	<title>Re:The government doesn't have to censor...</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1268597220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Saudi Arabia is a monarchy that has active internet censorship. Where are the news articles about that? How about Pakistan? How about Egypt?</p></div></blockquote><p>Ihey're islamic   theocracies, so it's expected - it's not exactly news.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Saudi Arabia is a monarchy that has active internet censorship .
Where are the news articles about that ?
How about Pakistan ?
How about Egypt ? Ihey 're islamic theocracies , so it 's expected - it 's not exactly news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saudi Arabia is a monarchy that has active internet censorship.
Where are the news articles about that?
How about Pakistan?
How about Egypt?Ihey're islamic   theocracies, so it's expected - it's not exactly news.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472884</id>
	<title>Re:Another anti-Chavez ill-informed kneejerk react</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268589420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Corrections: NoticieroDigital is a forum; the false news was posted by users not the website owner; sadly it took long to be moderated; the government has been already working on implementing a Unique Point of Access to Internet using government's owned ISP saying that is only for "performance enhancement"; Chavez complaints ALWAYS are literally assumed by the government because if you don't think like "The Leader" (he's called like that....) and work toward everything Chavez says then you'll be labeled "traitor" and banished from the government (yes, like a fascist government). I recommend you to get your facts straight before attacking citizens of a country like you're doing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Corrections : NoticieroDigital is a forum ; the false news was posted by users not the website owner ; sadly it took long to be moderated ; the government has been already working on implementing a Unique Point of Access to Internet using government 's owned ISP saying that is only for " performance enhancement " ; Chavez complaints ALWAYS are literally assumed by the government because if you do n't think like " The Leader " ( he 's called like that.... ) and work toward everything Chavez says then you 'll be labeled " traitor " and banished from the government ( yes , like a fascist government ) .
I recommend you to get your facts straight before attacking citizens of a country like you 're doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Corrections: NoticieroDigital is a forum; the false news was posted by users not the website owner; sadly it took long to be moderated; the government has been already working on implementing a Unique Point of Access to Internet using government's owned ISP saying that is only for "performance enhancement"; Chavez complaints ALWAYS are literally assumed by the government because if you don't think like "The Leader" (he's called like that....) and work toward everything Chavez says then you'll be labeled "traitor" and banished from the government (yes, like a fascist government).
I recommend you to get your facts straight before attacking citizens of a country like you're doing it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472482</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268586000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You think outright censorship is very far away?"</p><p>Actually, yes, it is. It's blatantly unconstitutional, and the First Amendment isn't going to go anywhere. You don't need to get over an "it can't happen here" mentality, you need to get over your baseless paranoia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You think outright censorship is very far away ?
" Actually , yes , it is .
It 's blatantly unconstitutional , and the First Amendment is n't going to go anywhere .
You do n't need to get over an " it ca n't happen here " mentality , you need to get over your baseless paranoia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You think outright censorship is very far away?
"Actually, yes, it is.
It's blatantly unconstitutional, and the First Amendment isn't going to go anywhere.
You don't need to get over an "it can't happen here" mentality, you need to get over your baseless paranoia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472664</id>
	<title>Re:A Dictator Stifles The Press?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268587500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was not a "website" was a forum like Slashdot for politics topics in venezuela.. imagine you!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was not a " website " was a forum like Slashdot for politics topics in venezuela.. imagine you !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was not a "website" was a forum like Slashdot for politics topics in venezuela.. imagine you!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31475112</id>
	<title>Re:Question ANYTHING you hear about Venezuela</title>
	<author>Artemis3</author>
	<datestamp>1268564280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm let's see, Venezuela kicked out foreign oil companies, except: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orinoco\_Belt" title="wikipedia.org">Chevron Corporation, Repsol YPF, Mitsubishi Corporation, Inpex, Suelopetrol CA, Eni, PetroVietnam, Petronas, ONGC, Indian Oil Corporation, Oil India, CNPC, Rosneft), Gazprom Neft, Lukoil, TNK-BP, Surgutneftegaz</a> [wikipedia.org]. And that leaves us... Uh, Esson (which retired) out of the cake. Yeah right, thats the whole world he kicked.</p><p>Good thing you warned us about misinformation there. Giving examples eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm let 's see , Venezuela kicked out foreign oil companies , except : Chevron Corporation , Repsol YPF , Mitsubishi Corporation , Inpex , Suelopetrol CA , Eni , PetroVietnam , Petronas , ONGC , Indian Oil Corporation , Oil India , CNPC , Rosneft ) , Gazprom Neft , Lukoil , TNK-BP , Surgutneftegaz [ wikipedia.org ] .
And that leaves us... Uh , Esson ( which retired ) out of the cake .
Yeah right , thats the whole world he kicked.Good thing you warned us about misinformation there .
Giving examples eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm let's see, Venezuela kicked out foreign oil companies, except: Chevron Corporation, Repsol YPF, Mitsubishi Corporation, Inpex, Suelopetrol CA, Eni, PetroVietnam, Petronas, ONGC, Indian Oil Corporation, Oil India, CNPC, Rosneft), Gazprom Neft, Lukoil, TNK-BP, Surgutneftegaz [wikipedia.org].
And that leaves us... Uh, Esson (which retired) out of the cake.
Yeah right, thats the whole world he kicked.Good thing you warned us about misinformation there.
Giving examples eh?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31474566</id>
	<title>Re:Prior art</title>
	<author>Kyusaku Natsume</author>
	<datestamp>1268560920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sadly, Mexico has lost the monopoly in this stupid behavior too -.-</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly , Mexico has lost the monopoly in this stupid behavior too -.-</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly, Mexico has lost the monopoly in this stupid behavior too -.-</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472472</id>
	<title>this is clearly a call for</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268585880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A "President for Life" google bomb.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A " President for Life " google bomb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A "President for Life" google bomb.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473002</id>
	<title>Bad move in this case Hugo, but</title>
	<author>presidenteloco</author>
	<datestamp>1268590500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>anyone who opposes the US acting like it owns the world in general and the hemisphere in particular is alright by me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>anyone who opposes the US acting like it owns the world in general and the hemisphere in particular is alright by me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>anyone who opposes the US acting like it owns the world in general and the hemisphere in particular is alright by me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472808</id>
	<title>Another anti-Chavez ill-informed kneejerk reaction</title>
	<author>GreatBunzinni</author>
	<datestamp>1268588820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This report provides a great opportunity to see how the anti-Chavez croud is prone to knee-jerk reactions while so poorly informed.  The thing is, the report which this slashdot post is based on only mentions that Chavez complained about a specific website posting false information.  More specifically, the offending website, which is ran by an anti-Chavez faction, made up a story about how one of Chavez' cabinet ministers was assassinated and kept the made up story on it's site for days, although it was repeatedly contacted and informed that the minister was, in fact,  alive and well.  Chavez' coment is nothing more than a complain that just because it's the internet you shouldn't be allowed to dedicate itself to defamation and intentionally spread false information.  And suddenly he is labelled as a dictator hell-bent on destroying openness? What twisted train of thought leads you from a) you shouldn't spread lies to b) no freedom for you?
</p><p>
The thing is, this is yet another example on how hell-bent some people are on attacking Chavez.  For example, imagine that a media company such as Fox/CNN/whatever decided to run stories on how Bush/Obama was assassinated.  Imagine that that media company decided not only to post that information but also kept it up for days, although it was repeatedly contacted to be informed that no, Bush/Obama was still very much alive.  If, after that, Bush/Obama complained that you shouldn't post false information to your heart's content, would that make Bush/Obama dictators who hate freedom and want to wage war on openness?  Heck, what if it was your very death that the website announced?  Would you enjoy having to go around contacting everyone you could informing that you were still very much alive?  Wouldn't you want that site to stop spreading those lies?  Wouldn't you want that sort of action to be illegal?  Of course you would.  But suddenly, if Chavez mentions it then he becomes an evil, anti-freedom dictator? Go figure.
</p><p>
There are a lot of irrational, ill-informed anti-Chavez militants around and they don't hate Chavez because of anything he actually did.  In fact, they don't base their hatred on anything.  Their hatred for Chavez is their starting point and they pick up from there, grasping at straws to try to justify they hatred.  Those irrational, anti-Chavez militants make it a point to accuse him of being a dictator although he is holding a democratically appointed position to which he was elected <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan\_presidential\_election,\_1998" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">time</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002\_Venezuelan\_coup\_d'\%C3\%A9tat\_attempt" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">and</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan\_presidential\_election,\_2006" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">again</a> [wikipedia.org] and although he has been the target of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan\_coup\_attempts\_of\_1992" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">multiple</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002\_Venezuelan\_coup\_d'\%C3\%A9tat\_attempt" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">coup</a> [wikipedia.org] attempts, all of which were reverted by none other than Venezuela's people.  Is that what being a dictator is about?
</p><p>
Personally, I don't like Chavez.  I believe he is a demagogue who, at best, is trying to revolutionize a society which can barely manage to function.  Yet, I'm always left dumbfounded by the string of primal anti-Chavez sentiment which is based on nothing more than the ill-informed imagination of a hand-full of idiots who don't even know why they hate him.  That is to be expected among the great unwashed masses but hell, this is supposed to be slashdot, a place where informed, educated people tend to read and post news.  This sort of nonsense shouldn't take place here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This report provides a great opportunity to see how the anti-Chavez croud is prone to knee-jerk reactions while so poorly informed .
The thing is , the report which this slashdot post is based on only mentions that Chavez complained about a specific website posting false information .
More specifically , the offending website , which is ran by an anti-Chavez faction , made up a story about how one of Chavez ' cabinet ministers was assassinated and kept the made up story on it 's site for days , although it was repeatedly contacted and informed that the minister was , in fact , alive and well .
Chavez ' coment is nothing more than a complain that just because it 's the internet you should n't be allowed to dedicate itself to defamation and intentionally spread false information .
And suddenly he is labelled as a dictator hell-bent on destroying openness ?
What twisted train of thought leads you from a ) you should n't spread lies to b ) no freedom for you ?
The thing is , this is yet another example on how hell-bent some people are on attacking Chavez .
For example , imagine that a media company such as Fox/CNN/whatever decided to run stories on how Bush/Obama was assassinated .
Imagine that that media company decided not only to post that information but also kept it up for days , although it was repeatedly contacted to be informed that no , Bush/Obama was still very much alive .
If , after that , Bush/Obama complained that you should n't post false information to your heart 's content , would that make Bush/Obama dictators who hate freedom and want to wage war on openness ?
Heck , what if it was your very death that the website announced ?
Would you enjoy having to go around contacting everyone you could informing that you were still very much alive ?
Would n't you want that site to stop spreading those lies ?
Would n't you want that sort of action to be illegal ?
Of course you would .
But suddenly , if Chavez mentions it then he becomes an evil , anti-freedom dictator ?
Go figure .
There are a lot of irrational , ill-informed anti-Chavez militants around and they do n't hate Chavez because of anything he actually did .
In fact , they do n't base their hatred on anything .
Their hatred for Chavez is their starting point and they pick up from there , grasping at straws to try to justify they hatred .
Those irrational , anti-Chavez militants make it a point to accuse him of being a dictator although he is holding a democratically appointed position to which he was elected time [ wikipedia.org ] and [ wikipedia.org ] again [ wikipedia.org ] and although he has been the target of multiple [ wikipedia.org ] coup [ wikipedia.org ] attempts , all of which were reverted by none other than Venezuela 's people .
Is that what being a dictator is about ?
Personally , I do n't like Chavez .
I believe he is a demagogue who , at best , is trying to revolutionize a society which can barely manage to function .
Yet , I 'm always left dumbfounded by the string of primal anti-Chavez sentiment which is based on nothing more than the ill-informed imagination of a hand-full of idiots who do n't even know why they hate him .
That is to be expected among the great unwashed masses but hell , this is supposed to be slashdot , a place where informed , educated people tend to read and post news .
This sort of nonsense should n't take place here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This report provides a great opportunity to see how the anti-Chavez croud is prone to knee-jerk reactions while so poorly informed.
The thing is, the report which this slashdot post is based on only mentions that Chavez complained about a specific website posting false information.
More specifically, the offending website, which is ran by an anti-Chavez faction, made up a story about how one of Chavez' cabinet ministers was assassinated and kept the made up story on it's site for days, although it was repeatedly contacted and informed that the minister was, in fact,  alive and well.
Chavez' coment is nothing more than a complain that just because it's the internet you shouldn't be allowed to dedicate itself to defamation and intentionally spread false information.
And suddenly he is labelled as a dictator hell-bent on destroying openness?
What twisted train of thought leads you from a) you shouldn't spread lies to b) no freedom for you?
The thing is, this is yet another example on how hell-bent some people are on attacking Chavez.
For example, imagine that a media company such as Fox/CNN/whatever decided to run stories on how Bush/Obama was assassinated.
Imagine that that media company decided not only to post that information but also kept it up for days, although it was repeatedly contacted to be informed that no, Bush/Obama was still very much alive.
If, after that, Bush/Obama complained that you shouldn't post false information to your heart's content, would that make Bush/Obama dictators who hate freedom and want to wage war on openness?
Heck, what if it was your very death that the website announced?
Would you enjoy having to go around contacting everyone you could informing that you were still very much alive?
Wouldn't you want that site to stop spreading those lies?
Wouldn't you want that sort of action to be illegal?
Of course you would.
But suddenly, if Chavez mentions it then he becomes an evil, anti-freedom dictator?
Go figure.
There are a lot of irrational, ill-informed anti-Chavez militants around and they don't hate Chavez because of anything he actually did.
In fact, they don't base their hatred on anything.
Their hatred for Chavez is their starting point and they pick up from there, grasping at straws to try to justify they hatred.
Those irrational, anti-Chavez militants make it a point to accuse him of being a dictator although he is holding a democratically appointed position to which he was elected time [wikipedia.org] and [wikipedia.org] again [wikipedia.org] and although he has been the target of multiple [wikipedia.org] coup [wikipedia.org] attempts, all of which were reverted by none other than Venezuela's people.
Is that what being a dictator is about?
Personally, I don't like Chavez.
I believe he is a demagogue who, at best, is trying to revolutionize a society which can barely manage to function.
Yet, I'm always left dumbfounded by the string of primal anti-Chavez sentiment which is based on nothing more than the ill-informed imagination of a hand-full of idiots who don't even know why they hate him.
That is to be expected among the great unwashed masses but hell, this is supposed to be slashdot, a place where informed, educated people tend to read and post news.
This sort of nonsense shouldn't take place here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31587166</id>
	<title>Re:Question ANYTHING you hear about Venezuela</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269372180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You realize that over half of those "companies" you listed are simply nationalized oil corporations?</p><p>PetroVietnam = Vietnam<br>ONGC, Indian Oil, Oil India = India<br>CNPC = China<br>PetroNas = Malaysia<br>RosNeft, Gazprom Neft = Russia<br>Repsol YPF = Spain<br>Eni = Italy</p><p>And Lukoil, TNK-BP, and Surgutneftegaz are only "companies" in the vaguest sense of the word, since they basically act at the whims of the Russian state (they used to be USSR state agencies, they were privatized, and basically handed out as presents to the New Capitalists of post-Cold War Russia)</p><p>Also, Suelopetrol CA is a Venezuelan company, so not exactly "foreign."</p><p>So Chevron, Mitsbushi, and Inpex are still in the game, though. Good job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You realize that over half of those " companies " you listed are simply nationalized oil corporations ? PetroVietnam = VietnamONGC , Indian Oil , Oil India = IndiaCNPC = ChinaPetroNas = MalaysiaRosNeft , Gazprom Neft = RussiaRepsol YPF = SpainEni = ItalyAnd Lukoil , TNK-BP , and Surgutneftegaz are only " companies " in the vaguest sense of the word , since they basically act at the whims of the Russian state ( they used to be USSR state agencies , they were privatized , and basically handed out as presents to the New Capitalists of post-Cold War Russia ) Also , Suelopetrol CA is a Venezuelan company , so not exactly " foreign .
" So Chevron , Mitsbushi , and Inpex are still in the game , though .
Good job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You realize that over half of those "companies" you listed are simply nationalized oil corporations?PetroVietnam = VietnamONGC, Indian Oil, Oil India = IndiaCNPC = ChinaPetroNas = MalaysiaRosNeft, Gazprom Neft = RussiaRepsol YPF = SpainEni = ItalyAnd Lukoil, TNK-BP, and Surgutneftegaz are only "companies" in the vaguest sense of the word, since they basically act at the whims of the Russian state (they used to be USSR state agencies, they were privatized, and basically handed out as presents to the New Capitalists of post-Cold War Russia)Also, Suelopetrol CA is a Venezuelan company, so not exactly "foreign.
"So Chevron, Mitsbushi, and Inpex are still in the game, though.
Good job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472844</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268589060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed.  It's happening this week with the health care bill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
It 's happening this week with the health care bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
It's happening this week with the health care bill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472384</id>
	<title>I just think it's really sad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268585160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b> <em> <strong>The first reaction to news like this -- rated up twice in a minute, mind you -- is to look at this issue through a hyperpartisan lens.</strong> </em> </b> </p><p> <b> <em> <strong>The desire to curtail freedom on the Internet comes not from the right or the left, but the powerful.  Anybody with a computer can have a voice, and as with the copyright industries there is a wish to turn back the hands of time rather than to adjust to the new reality, progress be damned.</strong> </em> </b> </p><p> <b> <em> <strong>It's time to shed partisanship and take a very real look at the role the Internet should play in our society.  To do otherwise is to let one "side" or the other continue to erode a unique and precious part of our lives forever; once lost, what we currently enjoy with the Internet will never be returned.</strong> </em> </b> </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first reaction to news like this -- rated up twice in a minute , mind you -- is to look at this issue through a hyperpartisan lens .
The desire to curtail freedom on the Internet comes not from the right or the left , but the powerful .
Anybody with a computer can have a voice , and as with the copyright industries there is a wish to turn back the hands of time rather than to adjust to the new reality , progress be damned .
It 's time to shed partisanship and take a very real look at the role the Internet should play in our society .
To do otherwise is to let one " side " or the other continue to erode a unique and precious part of our lives forever ; once lost , what we currently enjoy with the Internet will never be returned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>   The first reaction to news like this -- rated up twice in a minute, mind you -- is to look at this issue through a hyperpartisan lens.
The desire to curtail freedom on the Internet comes not from the right or the left, but the powerful.
Anybody with a computer can have a voice, and as with the copyright industries there is a wish to turn back the hands of time rather than to adjust to the new reality, progress be damned.
It's time to shed partisanship and take a very real look at the role the Internet should play in our society.
To do otherwise is to let one "side" or the other continue to erode a unique and precious part of our lives forever; once lost, what we currently enjoy with the Internet will never be returned.   </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472532</id>
	<title>Context</title>
	<author>H4x0r Jim Duggan</author>
	<datestamp>1268586360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sort of thing will not be considered in Europe or North America, and us residents of those places will pat ourselves on the back for our love of liberty...</p><p>The difference between Venezuela and our countries is that in our countries, the ruling class own both the media and politicians.  In Venezuela, they just own the media.</p><p>Chavez has some bad policies, and we're right to criticise those policies, but the context is important for forming an accurate opinion rather than a knee-jerk chauvinist one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sort of thing will not be considered in Europe or North America , and us residents of those places will pat ourselves on the back for our love of liberty...The difference between Venezuela and our countries is that in our countries , the ruling class own both the media and politicians .
In Venezuela , they just own the media.Chavez has some bad policies , and we 're right to criticise those policies , but the context is important for forming an accurate opinion rather than a knee-jerk chauvinist one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sort of thing will not be considered in Europe or North America, and us residents of those places will pat ourselves on the back for our love of liberty...The difference between Venezuela and our countries is that in our countries, the ruling class own both the media and politicians.
In Venezuela, they just own the media.Chavez has some bad policies, and we're right to criticise those policies, but the context is important for forming an accurate opinion rather than a knee-jerk chauvinist one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31474322</id>
	<title>Re:Another anti-Chavez ill-informed kneejerk react</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268558880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree on most of your points but I think it should be added that for all Chavez's many faults, his administration has dumped billions into Venezuela's public infrastructure. Chavez is a rich oil guy that differs from that opportunistic, wealth-obsessed Bush/Cheney/RIce mold. There are significant, long-term policies in place in a lot of South American countries, and the next decade there could be a significant power shift in the Americas. Here in the U.S. our roads and bridges are crumbling, no public health care, a public education system caving in on itself, literacy rates dropping, infant mortality and hunger increasing, all with our primary focus aimed at our war machine and giving a minuscule number of rich corporations a blank check to continue their self-obsessed ways. Countries like Venezuela however, while struggling with this U.S. triggered world economic recession have been creating a stable infrastructure to base their futures on. Look at how Chile is handling their earthquake disaster in contrast to how we dealt with Katrina/New Orleans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree on most of your points but I think it should be added that for all Chavez 's many faults , his administration has dumped billions into Venezuela 's public infrastructure .
Chavez is a rich oil guy that differs from that opportunistic , wealth-obsessed Bush/Cheney/RIce mold .
There are significant , long-term policies in place in a lot of South American countries , and the next decade there could be a significant power shift in the Americas .
Here in the U.S. our roads and bridges are crumbling , no public health care , a public education system caving in on itself , literacy rates dropping , infant mortality and hunger increasing , all with our primary focus aimed at our war machine and giving a minuscule number of rich corporations a blank check to continue their self-obsessed ways .
Countries like Venezuela however , while struggling with this U.S. triggered world economic recession have been creating a stable infrastructure to base their futures on .
Look at how Chile is handling their earthquake disaster in contrast to how we dealt with Katrina/New Orleans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree on most of your points but I think it should be added that for all Chavez's many faults, his administration has dumped billions into Venezuela's public infrastructure.
Chavez is a rich oil guy that differs from that opportunistic, wealth-obsessed Bush/Cheney/RIce mold.
There are significant, long-term policies in place in a lot of South American countries, and the next decade there could be a significant power shift in the Americas.
Here in the U.S. our roads and bridges are crumbling, no public health care, a public education system caving in on itself, literacy rates dropping, infant mortality and hunger increasing, all with our primary focus aimed at our war machine and giving a minuscule number of rich corporations a blank check to continue their self-obsessed ways.
Countries like Venezuela however, while struggling with this U.S. triggered world economic recession have been creating a stable infrastructure to base their futures on.
Look at how Chile is handling their earthquake disaster in contrast to how we dealt with Katrina/New Orleans.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31480228</id>
	<title>Re:That's the plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268656440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a Venezuelan too, and no, Venezuela is no paradise. yes, it is a beautiful country, but with crime rates through the roof, an inflation of around 30\%, and more deaths each year than in the entirety of wars such as Vietnam, Iraq-Kuwait, the current "War on Terrorism", and many more, living in Venezuela is no picnic, to say the least.</p><p>Yes, the coup in 2002 is constantly cited as proof that millions of Venezuelans support Chavez, but have you looked up what instigated this coup? Millions of Venezuelans, on the streets, protesting against Chavez. Marching towards the Presidential Palace, unarmed, and then shot at by Chavez' followers, Chavez' police, and strike forces. So no, this was not an isolated event where a bunch of military guys decided to storm the Presidential Palace and ousted the president. It's not as black or white as Chavez followers want to paint it.</p><p>And you want to see irrefutable proof that Chavez is a dictator willing to change the rules to fit him? Look at his attempt to change the Constitution to remove re-election term limits: First he tried it in 2007, along with a big package of laws that would give him nearly absolute power. As established in the Constitution he approved, a popular referendum is necessary to approve changes to the constitution, and surprisingly, he lost, but not after several hours of tension, as you saw that voting centers remained open well past the opening hours for voting, and the government called for massive voting.</p><p>Now, according to the Venezuelan constitution: "Article 345: A revised constitutional reform initiative may not be submitted during the same constitutional term of office of the National Assembly." It doesn't get any clearer than that. If you try to change the constitution and lose the referendum, you cannot try the same change again during the same term. Well, what did Chavez do? He basically said "Screw You" and proposed the same change, to remove re-election term limits, alleging that this time, as a stand-alone change and not part of a package of changes, it was merely an amendment. Now, according to Article 340 of the constitution, "The purpose of an amendment is to add to or modify one or more articles of the Constitution, without altering the fundamental structure of the same." Do you believe that removing re-election term limits constitutes an alteration of the fundamental architecture of the articles explaining the re-election terms? I certainly do. Well, Chavez went as far as saying that he'd "resubmit the proposal as many times as necessary until he won". It went as far as a constitutional court ruling that it was indeed an amendment, and Chavez should be able to resubmit it every year, were he to lose. I mean, come on here! Unsurprisingly, he won this time. If that's not bending the laws to do your bidding, then I don't know what is.</p><p>The problem is that Chavez has molded the powers surrounding him to fit his agenda. Anyone who is of his own mind is quickly substituted by a yes man. Do you want a court to rule something against Chavez? They won't because they're either a bunch of yes men, or people aware that if they rule against Chavez they'll be substituted and out of a job. Want to complain to a minister because of something against Chavez, sure, you'll be able to complain, but since all ministers are appointed directly by Chavez, you can guess how much attention your complaint will get. Same happens with the congress, and everything else. If Chavez needs it to further promote his goals, he'll remove the person in charge and put someone he knows will blindly agree to whatever he wants. He has an inner circle of allies, and whenever one of his allies' terms in whatever government position he's holding is up, he reshuffles them to keep them close.</p><p>And just this final thought: He has supposedly been doing all this to help the 80\% of the population that is poor and punish the 20\% of the population that is rich, yet after 12 years in power, the poor are still dirt poor (and even worse than before), and now he and his fri</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a Venezuelan too , and no , Venezuela is no paradise .
yes , it is a beautiful country , but with crime rates through the roof , an inflation of around 30 \ % , and more deaths each year than in the entirety of wars such as Vietnam , Iraq-Kuwait , the current " War on Terrorism " , and many more , living in Venezuela is no picnic , to say the least.Yes , the coup in 2002 is constantly cited as proof that millions of Venezuelans support Chavez , but have you looked up what instigated this coup ?
Millions of Venezuelans , on the streets , protesting against Chavez .
Marching towards the Presidential Palace , unarmed , and then shot at by Chavez ' followers , Chavez ' police , and strike forces .
So no , this was not an isolated event where a bunch of military guys decided to storm the Presidential Palace and ousted the president .
It 's not as black or white as Chavez followers want to paint it.And you want to see irrefutable proof that Chavez is a dictator willing to change the rules to fit him ?
Look at his attempt to change the Constitution to remove re-election term limits : First he tried it in 2007 , along with a big package of laws that would give him nearly absolute power .
As established in the Constitution he approved , a popular referendum is necessary to approve changes to the constitution , and surprisingly , he lost , but not after several hours of tension , as you saw that voting centers remained open well past the opening hours for voting , and the government called for massive voting.Now , according to the Venezuelan constitution : " Article 345 : A revised constitutional reform initiative may not be submitted during the same constitutional term of office of the National Assembly .
" It does n't get any clearer than that .
If you try to change the constitution and lose the referendum , you can not try the same change again during the same term .
Well , what did Chavez do ?
He basically said " Screw You " and proposed the same change , to remove re-election term limits , alleging that this time , as a stand-alone change and not part of a package of changes , it was merely an amendment .
Now , according to Article 340 of the constitution , " The purpose of an amendment is to add to or modify one or more articles of the Constitution , without altering the fundamental structure of the same .
" Do you believe that removing re-election term limits constitutes an alteration of the fundamental architecture of the articles explaining the re-election terms ?
I certainly do .
Well , Chavez went as far as saying that he 'd " resubmit the proposal as many times as necessary until he won " .
It went as far as a constitutional court ruling that it was indeed an amendment , and Chavez should be able to resubmit it every year , were he to lose .
I mean , come on here !
Unsurprisingly , he won this time .
If that 's not bending the laws to do your bidding , then I do n't know what is.The problem is that Chavez has molded the powers surrounding him to fit his agenda .
Anyone who is of his own mind is quickly substituted by a yes man .
Do you want a court to rule something against Chavez ?
They wo n't because they 're either a bunch of yes men , or people aware that if they rule against Chavez they 'll be substituted and out of a job .
Want to complain to a minister because of something against Chavez , sure , you 'll be able to complain , but since all ministers are appointed directly by Chavez , you can guess how much attention your complaint will get .
Same happens with the congress , and everything else .
If Chavez needs it to further promote his goals , he 'll remove the person in charge and put someone he knows will blindly agree to whatever he wants .
He has an inner circle of allies , and whenever one of his allies ' terms in whatever government position he 's holding is up , he reshuffles them to keep them close.And just this final thought : He has supposedly been doing all this to help the 80 \ % of the population that is poor and punish the 20 \ % of the population that is rich , yet after 12 years in power , the poor are still dirt poor ( and even worse than before ) , and now he and his fri</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a Venezuelan too, and no, Venezuela is no paradise.
yes, it is a beautiful country, but with crime rates through the roof, an inflation of around 30\%, and more deaths each year than in the entirety of wars such as Vietnam, Iraq-Kuwait, the current "War on Terrorism", and many more, living in Venezuela is no picnic, to say the least.Yes, the coup in 2002 is constantly cited as proof that millions of Venezuelans support Chavez, but have you looked up what instigated this coup?
Millions of Venezuelans, on the streets, protesting against Chavez.
Marching towards the Presidential Palace, unarmed, and then shot at by Chavez' followers, Chavez' police, and strike forces.
So no, this was not an isolated event where a bunch of military guys decided to storm the Presidential Palace and ousted the president.
It's not as black or white as Chavez followers want to paint it.And you want to see irrefutable proof that Chavez is a dictator willing to change the rules to fit him?
Look at his attempt to change the Constitution to remove re-election term limits: First he tried it in 2007, along with a big package of laws that would give him nearly absolute power.
As established in the Constitution he approved, a popular referendum is necessary to approve changes to the constitution, and surprisingly, he lost, but not after several hours of tension, as you saw that voting centers remained open well past the opening hours for voting, and the government called for massive voting.Now, according to the Venezuelan constitution: "Article 345: A revised constitutional reform initiative may not be submitted during the same constitutional term of office of the National Assembly.
" It doesn't get any clearer than that.
If you try to change the constitution and lose the referendum, you cannot try the same change again during the same term.
Well, what did Chavez do?
He basically said "Screw You" and proposed the same change, to remove re-election term limits, alleging that this time, as a stand-alone change and not part of a package of changes, it was merely an amendment.
Now, according to Article 340 of the constitution, "The purpose of an amendment is to add to or modify one or more articles of the Constitution, without altering the fundamental structure of the same.
" Do you believe that removing re-election term limits constitutes an alteration of the fundamental architecture of the articles explaining the re-election terms?
I certainly do.
Well, Chavez went as far as saying that he'd "resubmit the proposal as many times as necessary until he won".
It went as far as a constitutional court ruling that it was indeed an amendment, and Chavez should be able to resubmit it every year, were he to lose.
I mean, come on here!
Unsurprisingly, he won this time.
If that's not bending the laws to do your bidding, then I don't know what is.The problem is that Chavez has molded the powers surrounding him to fit his agenda.
Anyone who is of his own mind is quickly substituted by a yes man.
Do you want a court to rule something against Chavez?
They won't because they're either a bunch of yes men, or people aware that if they rule against Chavez they'll be substituted and out of a job.
Want to complain to a minister because of something against Chavez, sure, you'll be able to complain, but since all ministers are appointed directly by Chavez, you can guess how much attention your complaint will get.
Same happens with the congress, and everything else.
If Chavez needs it to further promote his goals, he'll remove the person in charge and put someone he knows will blindly agree to whatever he wants.
He has an inner circle of allies, and whenever one of his allies' terms in whatever government position he's holding is up, he reshuffles them to keep them close.And just this final thought: He has supposedly been doing all this to help the 80\% of the population that is poor and punish the 20\% of the population that is rich, yet after 12 years in power, the poor are still dirt poor (and even worse than before), and now he and his fri</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473726</id>
	<title>Re:That's the plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268596680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MM is not million.  M (mega) is million.  MM is not even million in roman numerals, God help us.  MM in roman numerals is 2000.  I know this usage is common in business related writing, but it exasperates the literate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MM is not million .
M ( mega ) is million .
MM is not even million in roman numerals , God help us .
MM in roman numerals is 2000 .
I know this usage is common in business related writing , but it exasperates the literate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MM is not million.
M (mega) is million.
MM is not even million in roman numerals, God help us.
MM in roman numerals is 2000.
I know this usage is common in business related writing, but it exasperates the literate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473464</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268594520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your right, the first amendment will never allow censorship in such a "freedom loving country"</p><p>http://wapedia.mobi/en/Sedition\_Act\_of\_1918</p><p>unless of course anarchist immigrants rather than white middle class libertarians are who is talking about the censorship.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your right , the first amendment will never allow censorship in such a " freedom loving country " http : //wapedia.mobi/en/Sedition \ _Act \ _of \ _1918unless of course anarchist immigrants rather than white middle class libertarians are who is talking about the censorship .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your right, the first amendment will never allow censorship in such a "freedom loving country"http://wapedia.mobi/en/Sedition\_Act\_of\_1918unless of course anarchist immigrants rather than white middle class libertarians are who is talking about the censorship.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472900</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>jcr</author>
	<datestamp>1268589600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's blatantly unconstitutional, and the First Amendment isn't going to go anywhere. </i></p><p>How many examples would you like of people being imprisoned for what they've said or written, in blatant violation of the first amendment?  Shall we go back to the Adams administration, or will the Wilson administration suffice?</p><p><i>you need to get over your baseless paranoia.</i></p><p>YOU need to get over your smug complacency.</p><p>-jcr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's blatantly unconstitutional , and the First Amendment is n't going to go anywhere .
How many examples would you like of people being imprisoned for what they 've said or written , in blatant violation of the first amendment ?
Shall we go back to the Adams administration , or will the Wilson administration suffice ? you need to get over your baseless paranoia.YOU need to get over your smug complacency.-jcr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's blatantly unconstitutional, and the First Amendment isn't going to go anywhere.
How many examples would you like of people being imprisoned for what they've said or written, in blatant violation of the first amendment?
Shall we go back to the Adams administration, or will the Wilson administration suffice?you need to get over your baseless paranoia.YOU need to get over your smug complacency.-jcr</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472712</id>
	<title>Re:A Dictator Stifles The Press?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268588100000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Compared to all the South American right wing dictators that had USA's number?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Compared to all the South American right wing dictators that had USA 's number ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Compared to all the South American right wing dictators that had USA's number?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1269523140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Clearly the Constitution is past its prime. Don't listen to grandpa when he tells you things, Jimmy, he's senile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly the Constitution is past its prime .
Do n't listen to grandpa when he tells you things , Jimmy , he 's senile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly the Constitution is past its prime.
Don't listen to grandpa when he tells you things, Jimmy, he's senile.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31479468</id>
	<title>Re:Another anti-Chavez ill-informed kneejerk react</title>
	<author>Cumanes-alpha</author>
	<datestamp>1268648760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>"mentions that Chavez complained about a specific website posting false information"
Yes, there were postings that one of his ministers was dead... wrote by an user of their forum... and it was removed some time after when the forum admin noticed it.

So, anyway, this is a good excuse to control the internet in Venezuela. Be at ease, this time was this fact, but it could have been anything, the government here don't care anymore if it can be used as an excuse or not...Things are made without any opposition, Justice and Congress are controlled by the government.

The fear to Chavez's declarations is that, if we learned something from the past, is that if a threat is told by Chavez, it will be accomplished as soon as possible: take for examples the takeover of several industries (food industries at the east of the country), large commercial companies (fama de america, exito), malls (Sambil La Candelaria) farms, etc. Several with the excuse that they're strategic for the state (which business isn't?) or with no excuses at all... well and the most symbolic one, the "closedown" of one of the most critical TV channel, RCTV. (some in the forum said that they are still broadcasting on cable, and that is not true anymore).

The best of all is that every trample to the private property is disguised as legal!!!

So, my point is... the fear is founded, and we know what's coming next.

Next, several links of expropiaciones, made by the government, there are a lot more, is only matter of google them.

<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/economia/2010/01/100117\_0029\_exito\_expropiacion\_gm.shtml" title="bbc.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/economia/2010/01/100117\_0029\_exito\_expropiacion\_gm.shtml</a> [bbc.co.uk]
<a href="http://www.abn.info.ve/noticia.php?articulo=163072&amp;lee=10" title="abn.info.ve" rel="nofollow">http://www.abn.info.ve/noticia.php?articulo=163072&amp;lee=10</a> [abn.info.ve]
<a href="http://www.vtv.gov.ve/noticias-nacionales/31666" title="vtv.gov.ve" rel="nofollow">http://www.vtv.gov.ve/noticias-nacionales/31666</a> [vtv.gov.ve]
<a href="http://www.enoriente.com/noticias-magazine-105/econommagazine-116/17262-expropiacion-de-fama-de-america-en-gaceta-oficial" title="enoriente.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.enoriente.com/noticias-magazine-105/econommagazine-116/17262-expropiacion-de-fama-de-america-en-gaceta-oficial</a> [enoriente.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>" mentions that Chavez complained about a specific website posting false information " Yes , there were postings that one of his ministers was dead... wrote by an user of their forum... and it was removed some time after when the forum admin noticed it .
So , anyway , this is a good excuse to control the internet in Venezuela .
Be at ease , this time was this fact , but it could have been anything , the government here do n't care anymore if it can be used as an excuse or not...Things are made without any opposition , Justice and Congress are controlled by the government .
The fear to Chavez 's declarations is that , if we learned something from the past , is that if a threat is told by Chavez , it will be accomplished as soon as possible : take for examples the takeover of several industries ( food industries at the east of the country ) , large commercial companies ( fama de america , exito ) , malls ( Sambil La Candelaria ) farms , etc .
Several with the excuse that they 're strategic for the state ( which business is n't ?
) or with no excuses at all... well and the most symbolic one , the " closedown " of one of the most critical TV channel , RCTV .
( some in the forum said that they are still broadcasting on cable , and that is not true anymore ) .
The best of all is that every trample to the private property is disguised as legal ! ! !
So , my point is... the fear is founded , and we know what 's coming next .
Next , several links of expropiaciones , made by the government , there are a lot more , is only matter of google them .
http : //www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/economia/2010/01/100117 \ _0029 \ _exito \ _expropiacion \ _gm.shtml [ bbc.co.uk ] http : //www.abn.info.ve/noticia.php ? articulo = 163072&amp;lee = 10 [ abn.info.ve ] http : //www.vtv.gov.ve/noticias-nacionales/31666 [ vtv.gov.ve ] http : //www.enoriente.com/noticias-magazine-105/econommagazine-116/17262-expropiacion-de-fama-de-america-en-gaceta-oficial [ enoriente.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"mentions that Chavez complained about a specific website posting false information"
Yes, there were postings that one of his ministers was dead... wrote by an user of their forum... and it was removed some time after when the forum admin noticed it.
So, anyway, this is a good excuse to control the internet in Venezuela.
Be at ease, this time was this fact, but it could have been anything, the government here don't care anymore if it can be used as an excuse or not...Things are made without any opposition, Justice and Congress are controlled by the government.
The fear to Chavez's declarations is that, if we learned something from the past, is that if a threat is told by Chavez, it will be accomplished as soon as possible: take for examples the takeover of several industries (food industries at the east of the country), large commercial companies (fama de america, exito), malls (Sambil La Candelaria) farms, etc.
Several with the excuse that they're strategic for the state (which business isn't?
) or with no excuses at all... well and the most symbolic one, the "closedown" of one of the most critical TV channel, RCTV.
(some in the forum said that they are still broadcasting on cable, and that is not true anymore).
The best of all is that every trample to the private property is disguised as legal!!!
So, my point is... the fear is founded, and we know what's coming next.
Next, several links of expropiaciones, made by the government, there are a lot more, is only matter of google them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/economia/2010/01/100117\_0029\_exito\_expropiacion\_gm.shtml [bbc.co.uk]
http://www.abn.info.ve/noticia.php?articulo=163072&amp;lee=10 [abn.info.ve]
http://www.vtv.gov.ve/noticias-nacionales/31666 [vtv.gov.ve]
http://www.enoriente.com/noticias-magazine-105/econommagazine-116/17262-expropiacion-de-fama-de-america-en-gaceta-oficial [enoriente.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473390</id>
	<title>Re:wtf?</title>
	<author>hyades1</author>
	<datestamp>1268593920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i> "...before they manage to do any more serious damage, such as spreading their philosophy to other countries." </i></p><p><i><i> I suspect there's no damage to be done.  Governments of every country in the world, including the democratic ones, would slow-roast kittens in an oven if doing so would let them get control of the internet.  They're trying to do it right now through the back door with regulations to "protect" copyright or save us from all that child pornography that's supposedly ready to swamp our mailboxes. </i></i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...before they manage to do any more serious damage , such as spreading their philosophy to other countries .
" I suspect there 's no damage to be done .
Governments of every country in the world , including the democratic ones , would slow-roast kittens in an oven if doing so would let them get control of the internet .
They 're trying to do it right now through the back door with regulations to " protect " copyright or save us from all that child pornography that 's supposedly ready to swamp our mailboxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  "...before they manage to do any more serious damage, such as spreading their philosophy to other countries.
"  I suspect there's no damage to be done.
Governments of every country in the world, including the democratic ones, would slow-roast kittens in an oven if doing so would let them get control of the internet.
They're trying to do it right now through the back door with regulations to "protect" copyright or save us from all that child pornography that's supposedly ready to swamp our mailboxes. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31476342</id>
	<title>Re:Another anti-Chavez ill-informed kneejerk react</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268573460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wrong. The problem was specifically the phrase "The internet cannot be a free thing, each country has its rules. Regulation and laws."</p><p>When you combine that with the fact that the main communications network and the senate have been going on the press lately talking about how many advantages having a "single international communications access point" has, you can see where it's going. It's just easy to see things differently from the inside than from the outside.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong .
The problem was specifically the phrase " The internet can not be a free thing , each country has its rules .
Regulation and laws .
" When you combine that with the fact that the main communications network and the senate have been going on the press lately talking about how many advantages having a " single international communications access point " has , you can see where it 's going .
It 's just easy to see things differently from the inside than from the outside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong.
The problem was specifically the phrase "The internet cannot be a free thing, each country has its rules.
Regulation and laws.
"When you combine that with the fact that the main communications network and the senate have been going on the press lately talking about how many advantages having a "single international communications access point" has, you can see where it's going.
It's just easy to see things differently from the inside than from the outside.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472526</id>
	<title>Re:A Dictator Stifles The Press?</title>
	<author>arielCo</author>
	<datestamp>1268586360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm surprised it took him this long.</p></div><p>This is precisely what happened to Venezuelan opposition. They cried wolf from at first signs of his intentions, and it didn't happen right away. That cost them a LOT of credibility, and the metaphorical frog did nothing as it felt the water warming up around it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised it took him this long.This is precisely what happened to Venezuelan opposition .
They cried wolf from at first signs of his intentions , and it did n't happen right away .
That cost them a LOT of credibility , and the metaphorical frog did nothing as it felt the water warming up around it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised it took him this long.This is precisely what happened to Venezuelan opposition.
They cried wolf from at first signs of his intentions, and it didn't happen right away.
That cost them a LOT of credibility, and the metaphorical frog did nothing as it felt the water warming up around it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472310</id>
	<title>The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268584440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Coming soon to Obamaland!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Coming soon to Obamaland !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Coming soon to Obamaland!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472702</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268587980000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Coming soon to Obamaland!</p></div><p>Americans seriously need to get over their "it can't happen here" mentality.  That mentality only means it will happen more slowly, with smaller and more calculated steps instead of a few sudden movements like this one.  We already have a government that can monitor everything you say, including non-public correspondence where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy.  You think outright censorship is very far away?</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Coming soon to Obamaland!</p></div><p>Americans seriously need to get over their "it can't happen here" mentality.  That mentality only means it will happen more slowly, with smaller and more calculated steps instead of a few sudden movements like this one.  We already have a government that can monitor everything you say, including non-public correspondence where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy.  You think outright censorship is very far away?</p></div><p>1ST AMMENDMENDT OVERRULES ALL.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Coming soon to Obamaland ! Americans seriously need to get over their " it ca n't happen here " mentality .
That mentality only means it will happen more slowly , with smaller and more calculated steps instead of a few sudden movements like this one .
We already have a government that can monitor everything you say , including non-public correspondence where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy .
You think outright censorship is very far away ? Coming soon to Obamaland ! Americans seriously need to get over their " it ca n't happen here " mentality .
That mentality only means it will happen more slowly , with smaller and more calculated steps instead of a few sudden movements like this one .
We already have a government that can monitor everything you say , including non-public correspondence where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy .
You think outright censorship is very far away ? 1ST AMMENDMENDT OVERRULES ALL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Coming soon to Obamaland!Americans seriously need to get over their "it can't happen here" mentality.
That mentality only means it will happen more slowly, with smaller and more calculated steps instead of a few sudden movements like this one.
We already have a government that can monitor everything you say, including non-public correspondence where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
You think outright censorship is very far away?Coming soon to Obamaland!Americans seriously need to get over their "it can't happen here" mentality.
That mentality only means it will happen more slowly, with smaller and more calculated steps instead of a few sudden movements like this one.
We already have a government that can monitor everything you say, including non-public correspondence where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
You think outright censorship is very far away?1ST AMMENDMENDT OVERRULES ALL.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472806</id>
	<title>Re:That's the plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268588760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>My name is Andr&eacute;s Izarra, and I approve of this message...</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>..."media terrorist"...</i></p><p>I love it.. Hat's off to you if you can keep a straight face while spewing that one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My name is Andr   s Izarra , and I approve of this message... ... " media terrorist " ...I love it.. Hat 's off to you if you can keep a straight face while spewing that one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My name is Andrés Izarra, and I approve of this message... ..."media terrorist"...I love it.. Hat's off to you if you can keep a straight face while spewing that one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472530</id>
	<title>That's the plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268586360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext>In Venezuela the freedom of speech is the greatest in the world. In Television News anchors openly talk about killing the president, they make calls for a coup d'etat, all this goes for newspapers and radio stations.

People can say and think whatever thay want.

There has been 11 years of this. And they still say that there is no freedom of speech in Venezuela.

I watch how the world sees Venezuela, they show a country in total war with mass killings, wich is total bullshit. Yes there was a time 2002-2003 where there was a fight and a coup d'etat, wich the people fought to get their president back and they won, the vast majority of Venezuelans won.

This small faction of what we call "media terrorist" who own private TV stations, radio, and newspapers still attack their own country by lying to them.

Im venezuelan, if you want to know the truth of whats happening here, come to Venezuela, to any part of it, and you will see peace, a beautiful country.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Venezuela the freedom of speech is the greatest in the world .
In Television News anchors openly talk about killing the president , they make calls for a coup d'etat , all this goes for newspapers and radio stations .
People can say and think whatever thay want .
There has been 11 years of this .
And they still say that there is no freedom of speech in Venezuela .
I watch how the world sees Venezuela , they show a country in total war with mass killings , wich is total bullshit .
Yes there was a time 2002-2003 where there was a fight and a coup d'etat , wich the people fought to get their president back and they won , the vast majority of Venezuelans won .
This small faction of what we call " media terrorist " who own private TV stations , radio , and newspapers still attack their own country by lying to them .
Im venezuelan , if you want to know the truth of whats happening here , come to Venezuela , to any part of it , and you will see peace , a beautiful country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Venezuela the freedom of speech is the greatest in the world.
In Television News anchors openly talk about killing the president, they make calls for a coup d'etat, all this goes for newspapers and radio stations.
People can say and think whatever thay want.
There has been 11 years of this.
And they still say that there is no freedom of speech in Venezuela.
I watch how the world sees Venezuela, they show a country in total war with mass killings, wich is total bullshit.
Yes there was a time 2002-2003 where there was a fight and a coup d'etat, wich the people fought to get their president back and they won, the vast majority of Venezuelans won.
This small faction of what we call "media terrorist" who own private TV stations, radio, and newspapers still attack their own country by lying to them.
Im venezuelan, if you want to know the truth of whats happening here, come to Venezuela, to any part of it, and you will see peace, a beautiful country.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31474162</id>
	<title>General comment about dictators</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268557500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think my sig says it very well.<br> <br>For those not logged in:<br>"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge,<br>  For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."<br> <br>Those in power, even in a "Free" country, fear the free flow of information, ideas, comments by the people.<br> <br>And for those of you that catch it, yes, my sig a a paraphrase of Pravin Lal's bio from SMAC, which I'll also include because its worth reading.<br>"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny.  The once-chained people whose leaders at last loose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think my sig says it very well .
For those not logged in : " Beware those who would deny you Knowledge , For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master .
" Those in power , even in a " Free " country , fear the free flow of information , ideas , comments by the people .
And for those of you that catch it , yes , my sig a a paraphrase of Pravin Lal 's bio from SMAC , which I 'll also include because its worth reading .
" As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth 's final century , free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny .
The once-chained people whose leaders at last loose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality , but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism .
Beware of he who would deny you access to information , for in his heart he dreams himself your master .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think my sig says it very well.
For those not logged in:"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge,  For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master.
" Those in power, even in a "Free" country, fear the free flow of information, ideas, comments by the people.
And for those of you that catch it, yes, my sig a a paraphrase of Pravin Lal's bio from SMAC, which I'll also include because its worth reading.
"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny.
The once-chained people whose leaders at last loose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism.
Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31505794</id>
	<title>The U.S. is no different</title>
	<author>gateur</author>
	<datestamp>1268818800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>The U.S. government maintains a "secret" program in partnership with the telecom monopolies to monitor all Internet traffic for "illegal" activity.  Under the program, anyone arrested is not permitted to speak about it, EVER!

The U.S. government implements a level of IP laws and copyright (will Mickey Mouse ever reach the public domain?) that far exceed those of any other country.

The U.S. government refuses to allow Internet gambling solely because it might interfere with the billions it takes in from it's own gambling operations.

When the U.S. government meets the standards it sets for everyone else, THEN you Americans will have the right to whine.  In the meantime, continue fueling your cars with Venezuelan oil,  buying so much from China that your country is going bankrupt, and using your U.N. Security Council veto to prevent Israel from being held accountable for the war crimes it commits because the rest of us love to see you make fools of yourselves as your nation sinks into the abyss.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The U.S. government maintains a " secret " program in partnership with the telecom monopolies to monitor all Internet traffic for " illegal " activity .
Under the program , anyone arrested is not permitted to speak about it , EVER !
The U.S. government implements a level of IP laws and copyright ( will Mickey Mouse ever reach the public domain ?
) that far exceed those of any other country .
The U.S. government refuses to allow Internet gambling solely because it might interfere with the billions it takes in from it 's own gambling operations .
When the U.S. government meets the standards it sets for everyone else , THEN you Americans will have the right to whine .
In the meantime , continue fueling your cars with Venezuelan oil , buying so much from China that your country is going bankrupt , and using your U.N. Security Council veto to prevent Israel from being held accountable for the war crimes it commits because the rest of us love to see you make fools of yourselves as your nation sinks into the abyss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The U.S. government maintains a "secret" program in partnership with the telecom monopolies to monitor all Internet traffic for "illegal" activity.
Under the program, anyone arrested is not permitted to speak about it, EVER!
The U.S. government implements a level of IP laws and copyright (will Mickey Mouse ever reach the public domain?
) that far exceed those of any other country.
The U.S. government refuses to allow Internet gambling solely because it might interfere with the billions it takes in from it's own gambling operations.
When the U.S. government meets the standards it sets for everyone else, THEN you Americans will have the right to whine.
In the meantime, continue fueling your cars with Venezuelan oil,  buying so much from China that your country is going bankrupt, and using your U.N. Security Council veto to prevent Israel from being held accountable for the war crimes it commits because the rest of us love to see you make fools of yourselves as your nation sinks into the abyss.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473078</id>
	<title>Why is he any different from ACTA</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1268591160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is there any difference in between directly censoring something because it is detrimental to your interests and indirectly making them subdue by legal claims of ownership and patents ?</p><p>in the former, at least everyone knows it is censorship. in the latter censorship is veiled with seemingly valid excuses. in the end both end up the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is there any difference in between directly censoring something because it is detrimental to your interests and indirectly making them subdue by legal claims of ownership and patents ? in the former , at least everyone knows it is censorship .
in the latter censorship is veiled with seemingly valid excuses .
in the end both end up the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is there any difference in between directly censoring something because it is detrimental to your interests and indirectly making them subdue by legal claims of ownership and patents ?in the former, at least everyone knows it is censorship.
in the latter censorship is veiled with seemingly valid excuses.
in the end both end up the same.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473018</id>
	<title>Wrong Lesson.</title>
	<author>oOkathyOo</author>
	<datestamp>1268590680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They've has picked the wrong point. The lesson to be learned from the unfounded news posting should <i>not</i> have been that the internet needs less freedom. It should be that you shouldn't trust unconfirmed website posts you read online.
<br> <br>
People need to learn to not trust every rumor they read from stupid hoax chain mails and random web postings. And this goes for not just online, but for all aspects of life. You have to learn how to analyze what you hear and read, and decide for yourself what to trust and believe. <i>Not</i> that the government needs to filter all communication that may reach you, in order to ensure it is a "truth" that you should believe.
<br> <br>
But of course, with a dictator like Chavez, what other reaction would you expect?</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've has picked the wrong point .
The lesson to be learned from the unfounded news posting should not have been that the internet needs less freedom .
It should be that you should n't trust unconfirmed website posts you read online .
People need to learn to not trust every rumor they read from stupid hoax chain mails and random web postings .
And this goes for not just online , but for all aspects of life .
You have to learn how to analyze what you hear and read , and decide for yourself what to trust and believe .
Not that the government needs to filter all communication that may reach you , in order to ensure it is a " truth " that you should believe .
But of course , with a dictator like Chavez , what other reaction would you expect ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've has picked the wrong point.
The lesson to be learned from the unfounded news posting should not have been that the internet needs less freedom.
It should be that you shouldn't trust unconfirmed website posts you read online.
People need to learn to not trust every rumor they read from stupid hoax chain mails and random web postings.
And this goes for not just online, but for all aspects of life.
You have to learn how to analyze what you hear and read, and decide for yourself what to trust and believe.
Not that the government needs to filter all communication that may reach you, in order to ensure it is a "truth" that you should believe.
But of course, with a dictator like Chavez, what other reaction would you expect?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472492</id>
	<title>Chavez also suggest to take shower only 3 minutes.</title>
	<author>dvh.tosomja</author>
	<datestamp>1268586060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chavez also suggest to take shower only 3 minutes to save water. I tried that, but I guess I smelled like a Chavez.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chavez also suggest to take shower only 3 minutes to save water .
I tried that , but I guess I smelled like a Chavez .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chavez also suggest to take shower only 3 minutes to save water.
I tried that, but I guess I smelled like a Chavez.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472674</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268587680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It has already happend to Sarkoland</htmltext>
<tokenext>It has already happend to Sarkoland</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has already happend to Sarkoland</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473682</id>
	<title>Re:That's the plan</title>
	<author>fnj</author>
	<datestamp>1268596320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sheesh.  If compliant, hoodwinked people like you are a fair cross section of the voters, it's easy to see how this two-bit tyrant acquired and retains the power which he cannot bear to live without.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sheesh .
If compliant , hoodwinked people like you are a fair cross section of the voters , it 's easy to see how this two-bit tyrant acquired and retains the power which he can not bear to live without .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sheesh.
If compliant, hoodwinked people like you are a fair cross section of the voters, it's easy to see how this two-bit tyrant acquired and retains the power which he cannot bear to live without.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472322</id>
	<title>Way to go</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268584620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess Chavez has decided to follow the same path that every other communist leader has followed?  "We cannot allow openness if it means people will disagree with me."</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess Chavez has decided to follow the same path that every other communist leader has followed ?
" We can not allow openness if it means people will disagree with me .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess Chavez has decided to follow the same path that every other communist leader has followed?
"We cannot allow openness if it means people will disagree with me.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31475358</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>roystgnr</author>
	<datestamp>1268565720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The only real surprise will be if they don't find such clever ways to skirt the First Amendment when it comes to the Internet.</i></p><p>Why is that phrased in the future tense?  They just failed, by a 5-4 Supreme Court vote, an attempt to ban a political movie on the basis of an "it was funded by a (non-profit) corporation!" excuse.  And they had two thirds of the internet cheering them on.</p><p>(Disclaimer: this comment is funded by Sprint and GeekNet, Inc., according to the banner ad above and the boilerplate below.  Ironically, half of the idiots on the internet decrying that SC decision were in a similar situation.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only real surprise will be if they do n't find such clever ways to skirt the First Amendment when it comes to the Internet.Why is that phrased in the future tense ?
They just failed , by a 5-4 Supreme Court vote , an attempt to ban a political movie on the basis of an " it was funded by a ( non-profit ) corporation !
" excuse .
And they had two thirds of the internet cheering them on .
( Disclaimer : this comment is funded by Sprint and GeekNet , Inc. , according to the banner ad above and the boilerplate below .
Ironically , half of the idiots on the internet decrying that SC decision were in a similar situation .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only real surprise will be if they don't find such clever ways to skirt the First Amendment when it comes to the Internet.Why is that phrased in the future tense?
They just failed, by a 5-4 Supreme Court vote, an attempt to ban a political movie on the basis of an "it was funded by a (non-profit) corporation!
" excuse.
And they had two thirds of the internet cheering them on.
(Disclaimer: this comment is funded by Sprint and GeekNet, Inc., according to the banner ad above and the boilerplate below.
Ironically, half of the idiots on the internet decrying that SC decision were in a similar situation.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472552</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268586480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's the problem with this here at slashdot??? a good 60-70\% here at slashdot would vote for Chavez given their stated political opinions. Oh, I get it. Now that he is attacking freedom of technology, as opposed to freedom of the press, freedom to conduct business, freedom to have your vote count equally - NOW it's an issue. They are all tied together and you're on the wrong side (apologies to those here who aren't knee jerk socialists).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the problem with this here at slashdot ? ? ?
a good 60-70 \ % here at slashdot would vote for Chavez given their stated political opinions .
Oh , I get it .
Now that he is attacking freedom of technology , as opposed to freedom of the press , freedom to conduct business , freedom to have your vote count equally - NOW it 's an issue .
They are all tied together and you 're on the wrong side ( apologies to those here who are n't knee jerk socialists ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the problem with this here at slashdot???
a good 60-70\% here at slashdot would vote for Chavez given their stated political opinions.
Oh, I get it.
Now that he is attacking freedom of technology, as opposed to freedom of the press, freedom to conduct business, freedom to have your vote count equally - NOW it's an issue.
They are all tied together and you're on the wrong side (apologies to those here who aren't knee jerk socialists).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473594</id>
	<title>Re:That's the plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268595540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Freedom of speech is not about being able to say what you want, instead it is about the fear of its consequences.</p><p>If you declare yourself as opposition in Venezuela, you might be denied of some basic rights, such as being able to exchange currency, get a passport, ask for government services, etc. This is not an "official" position of course.. Everything is handled as "direct instructions" from the president and it's political party instead (PSUV).</p><p>And if by any chance you intend to work for the government, they will look into the "Tascon List" which is the list of people that requested a referendum against chavez in 2004, and will turn you down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Freedom of speech is not about being able to say what you want , instead it is about the fear of its consequences.If you declare yourself as opposition in Venezuela , you might be denied of some basic rights , such as being able to exchange currency , get a passport , ask for government services , etc .
This is not an " official " position of course.. Everything is handled as " direct instructions " from the president and it 's political party instead ( PSUV ) .And if by any chance you intend to work for the government , they will look into the " Tascon List " which is the list of people that requested a referendum against chavez in 2004 , and will turn you down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Freedom of speech is not about being able to say what you want, instead it is about the fear of its consequences.If you declare yourself as opposition in Venezuela, you might be denied of some basic rights, such as being able to exchange currency, get a passport, ask for government services, etc.
This is not an "official" position of course.. Everything is handled as "direct instructions" from the president and it's political party instead (PSUV).And if by any chance you intend to work for the government, they will look into the "Tascon List" which is the list of people that requested a referendum against chavez in 2004, and will turn you down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473516</id>
	<title>Re:Context</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268594940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bullshit. In Venezuela the "ruling class" owns the oil - oil is the only thing that always mattered in the economy - and that 'ruling class' is the politicians, from AD to the chiripero to the bolivarians, with plenty who knew how to switch to the fashionable party of the day.</p><p>The whole "mediatic ruling class" mythology is a nice distraction to keep around from the real big change in the political ruling class: from the corrupt civilians to the corrupt military, with a convenient dissolution of the checks and balances (ever since the original supreme court committed seppuku).</p><p>The fact that some people in the middle-class even believe that they ever mattered in the previous system just makes them more useful as bogeymen and validation that only 'paranoid reactionaries' worry about such concentrations of power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bullshit .
In Venezuela the " ruling class " owns the oil - oil is the only thing that always mattered in the economy - and that 'ruling class ' is the politicians , from AD to the chiripero to the bolivarians , with plenty who knew how to switch to the fashionable party of the day.The whole " mediatic ruling class " mythology is a nice distraction to keep around from the real big change in the political ruling class : from the corrupt civilians to the corrupt military , with a convenient dissolution of the checks and balances ( ever since the original supreme court committed seppuku ) .The fact that some people in the middle-class even believe that they ever mattered in the previous system just makes them more useful as bogeymen and validation that only 'paranoid reactionaries ' worry about such concentrations of power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bullshit.
In Venezuela the "ruling class" owns the oil - oil is the only thing that always mattered in the economy - and that 'ruling class' is the politicians, from AD to the chiripero to the bolivarians, with plenty who knew how to switch to the fashionable party of the day.The whole "mediatic ruling class" mythology is a nice distraction to keep around from the real big change in the political ruling class: from the corrupt civilians to the corrupt military, with a convenient dissolution of the checks and balances (ever since the original supreme court committed seppuku).The fact that some people in the middle-class even believe that they ever mattered in the previous system just makes them more useful as bogeymen and validation that only 'paranoid reactionaries' worry about such concentrations of power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472854</id>
	<title>Re:That's the plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268589180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In Venezuela the freedom of speech is the greatest in the world. In Television News anchors openly talk about killing the president, they make calls for a coup d'etat, all this goes for newspapers and radio stations.</p></div><p>[citation needed]</p><p><div class="quote"><p>People can say and think whatever thay want.</p></div><p>"Think", yes; there's no Thought Police in sight. "Say", yes too unless it's printed / broadcast in any major news outlet, and even then you only have to pack up in advance of the defamation "suit".</p><p><div class="quote"><p>There has been 11 years of this. And they still say that there is no freedom of speech in Venezuela.
I watch how the world sees Venezuela, they show a country in total war with mass killings, wich is total bullshit.</p></div><p>Again [citation needed]. Straw man anyone?</p><p><div class="quote"><p> Yes there was a time 2002-2003 where there was a fight and a coup d'etat, wich the people fought to get their president back and they won, the vast majority of Venezuelans won.

This small faction of what we call "media terrorist" who own private TV stations, radio, and newspapers still attack their own country by lying to them.</p></div><p>They attack their <em>government</em>, which is not the same. Shall I explain the difference to you?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Im venezuelan, if you want to know the truth of whats happening here, come to Venezuela, to any part of it, and you will see peace, a beautiful country.</p></div><p>Yeah, I guess <a href="http://el-nacional.com/www/site/p\_contenido.php?q=nodo/126680/Nacional/El-\%C3\%ADndice-de-homicidios-en-Venezuela-aument\%C3\%B3-256\%25-entre-1998-y-2009" title="el-nacional.com" rel="nofollow">16,000 homicides last year</a> [el-nacional.com] in a 24MM people country make for a lot of peace on the streets. And 27\% inflation brings rainbows and puppies all around.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Venezuela the freedom of speech is the greatest in the world .
In Television News anchors openly talk about killing the president , they make calls for a coup d'etat , all this goes for newspapers and radio stations .
[ citation needed ] People can say and think whatever thay want .
" Think " , yes ; there 's no Thought Police in sight .
" Say " , yes too unless it 's printed / broadcast in any major news outlet , and even then you only have to pack up in advance of the defamation " suit " .There has been 11 years of this .
And they still say that there is no freedom of speech in Venezuela .
I watch how the world sees Venezuela , they show a country in total war with mass killings , wich is total bullshit.Again [ citation needed ] .
Straw man anyone ?
Yes there was a time 2002-2003 where there was a fight and a coup d'etat , wich the people fought to get their president back and they won , the vast majority of Venezuelans won .
This small faction of what we call " media terrorist " who own private TV stations , radio , and newspapers still attack their own country by lying to them.They attack their government , which is not the same .
Shall I explain the difference to you ? Im venezuelan , if you want to know the truth of whats happening here , come to Venezuela , to any part of it , and you will see peace , a beautiful country.Yeah , I guess 16,000 homicides last year [ el-nacional.com ] in a 24MM people country make for a lot of peace on the streets .
And 27 \ % inflation brings rainbows and puppies all around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Venezuela the freedom of speech is the greatest in the world.
In Television News anchors openly talk about killing the president, they make calls for a coup d'etat, all this goes for newspapers and radio stations.
[citation needed]People can say and think whatever thay want.
"Think", yes; there's no Thought Police in sight.
"Say", yes too unless it's printed / broadcast in any major news outlet, and even then you only have to pack up in advance of the defamation "suit".There has been 11 years of this.
And they still say that there is no freedom of speech in Venezuela.
I watch how the world sees Venezuela, they show a country in total war with mass killings, wich is total bullshit.Again [citation needed].
Straw man anyone?
Yes there was a time 2002-2003 where there was a fight and a coup d'etat, wich the people fought to get their president back and they won, the vast majority of Venezuelans won.
This small faction of what we call "media terrorist" who own private TV stations, radio, and newspapers still attack their own country by lying to them.They attack their government, which is not the same.
Shall I explain the difference to you?Im venezuelan, if you want to know the truth of whats happening here, come to Venezuela, to any part of it, and you will see peace, a beautiful country.Yeah, I guess 16,000 homicides last year [el-nacional.com] in a 24MM people country make for a lot of peace on the streets.
And 27\% inflation brings rainbows and puppies all around.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31474010</id>
	<title>Re:That's the plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268599500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was in Venezuela almost a year ago on a business trip, and I kept my eyes open looking to validate what I am being told on the news, opinion pieces etc.  I must agree with you.  What impressed me most from that trip was:</p><p>1) there IS freedom of speech, the country is very divided and the many people who oppose the government are very vocal about it.  I never got the feeling that they were afraid to talk about their political views in private or in public.<br>2) A HUGE push towards construction, everywhere I looked there were construction sites.<br>3) Chavez has alienated most of the middle class.<br>4) Private companies are still operating in Venezuela but since there is no evidence of a long term economic strategy they are quite nervous (long term planning is impossible).<br>5) The people are very nice and the country is very beautiful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was in Venezuela almost a year ago on a business trip , and I kept my eyes open looking to validate what I am being told on the news , opinion pieces etc .
I must agree with you .
What impressed me most from that trip was : 1 ) there IS freedom of speech , the country is very divided and the many people who oppose the government are very vocal about it .
I never got the feeling that they were afraid to talk about their political views in private or in public.2 ) A HUGE push towards construction , everywhere I looked there were construction sites.3 ) Chavez has alienated most of the middle class.4 ) Private companies are still operating in Venezuela but since there is no evidence of a long term economic strategy they are quite nervous ( long term planning is impossible ) .5 ) The people are very nice and the country is very beautiful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was in Venezuela almost a year ago on a business trip, and I kept my eyes open looking to validate what I am being told on the news, opinion pieces etc.
I must agree with you.
What impressed me most from that trip was:1) there IS freedom of speech, the country is very divided and the many people who oppose the government are very vocal about it.
I never got the feeling that they were afraid to talk about their political views in private or in public.2) A HUGE push towards construction, everywhere I looked there were construction sites.3) Chavez has alienated most of the middle class.4) Private companies are still operating in Venezuela but since there is no evidence of a long term economic strategy they are quite nervous (long term planning is impossible).5) The people are very nice and the country is very beautiful.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31479628</id>
	<title>Time to go</title>
	<author>RHaddon</author>
	<datestamp>1268650200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's very sad that such a popular leader (verified, clean elections extended his stay in power) can be so stupid... I used be on the side of Chavez, but in recent years the saying "absolute power, corrupts absolutely" is somewhat true, this together with his often crazy comments are discrediting the good he has done for the people. He should respect the founded democratic systems of the world and realise his time has come to step down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's very sad that such a popular leader ( verified , clean elections extended his stay in power ) can be so stupid... I used be on the side of Chavez , but in recent years the saying " absolute power , corrupts absolutely " is somewhat true , this together with his often crazy comments are discrediting the good he has done for the people .
He should respect the founded democratic systems of the world and realise his time has come to step down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's very sad that such a popular leader (verified, clean elections extended his stay in power) can be so stupid... I used be on the side of Chavez, but in recent years the saying "absolute power, corrupts absolutely" is somewhat true, this together with his often crazy comments are discrediting the good he has done for the people.
He should respect the founded democratic systems of the world and realise his time has come to step down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472368</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268584980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Coming soon to Obamaland!</p></div><p>Americans seriously need to get over their "it can't happen here" mentality.  That mentality only means it will happen more slowly, with smaller and more calculated steps instead of a few sudden movements like this one.  We already have a government that can monitor everything you say, including non-public correspondence where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy.  You think outright censorship is very far away?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Coming soon to Obamaland ! Americans seriously need to get over their " it ca n't happen here " mentality .
That mentality only means it will happen more slowly , with smaller and more calculated steps instead of a few sudden movements like this one .
We already have a government that can monitor everything you say , including non-public correspondence where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy .
You think outright censorship is very far away ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Coming soon to Obamaland!Americans seriously need to get over their "it can't happen here" mentality.
That mentality only means it will happen more slowly, with smaller and more calculated steps instead of a few sudden movements like this one.
We already have a government that can monitor everything you say, including non-public correspondence where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
You think outright censorship is very far away?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473252</id>
	<title>Re:"Issued a call" vs. "Chavez to limit"</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1268592660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But I will talk freedom. Censorship solutions are made up of software, and software, being information, is protected speech and should not be regulated. Instructions on making chem/bio weapons, also being information, should also not be banned because of freedom of speech. You can't defend your principles by abandoning them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But I will talk freedom .
Censorship solutions are made up of software , and software , being information , is protected speech and should not be regulated .
Instructions on making chem/bio weapons , also being information , should also not be banned because of freedom of speech .
You ca n't defend your principles by abandoning them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I will talk freedom.
Censorship solutions are made up of software, and software, being information, is protected speech and should not be regulated.
Instructions on making chem/bio weapons, also being information, should also not be banned because of freedom of speech.
You can't defend your principles by abandoning them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473998</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>mandelbr0t</author>
	<datestamp>1268599440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't understand the "coming soon" part. American policies have been this way since 2001. Don't ever forget that the PATRIOT act was used to hold at least one American citizen without trial for at least a year. If that's not censorship, I don't know what is. And that's only the one we know about. Obama needs to lift the curtain on Gitmo, make some public anti-torture statements, and put this whole PATRIOT mess behind us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand the " coming soon " part .
American policies have been this way since 2001 .
Do n't ever forget that the PATRIOT act was used to hold at least one American citizen without trial for at least a year .
If that 's not censorship , I do n't know what is .
And that 's only the one we know about .
Obama needs to lift the curtain on Gitmo , make some public anti-torture statements , and put this whole PATRIOT mess behind us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand the "coming soon" part.
American policies have been this way since 2001.
Don't ever forget that the PATRIOT act was used to hold at least one American citizen without trial for at least a year.
If that's not censorship, I don't know what is.
And that's only the one we know about.
Obama needs to lift the curtain on Gitmo, make some public anti-torture statements, and put this whole PATRIOT mess behind us.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473274</id>
	<title>Re:A Dictator Stifles The Press?</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1268592900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
He can stifle the press as much as he wants.
He can make things people say on the internet as illegal to say,
and throw people in jail as much as he wants.
</p><p>
What the internet community should not tolerate is placing
physical controls to determine technologically what can and cannot be said.
</p><p>
Basically, any country that tries to impose technical controls of what can be said on internet, needs to be blacklisted by all other communities on the internet,
and disconnected.
</p><p>
Otherwise, they will never learn, and their tyrannical philosophies that are perfectly contrary to the openness of internet, are in danger of surviving and being adopted by others.
</p><p>
So on this matter, the community needs to be prepared to act swiftly and decisevly to counter Chavez' war on internet openness.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He can stifle the press as much as he wants .
He can make things people say on the internet as illegal to say , and throw people in jail as much as he wants .
What the internet community should not tolerate is placing physical controls to determine technologically what can and can not be said .
Basically , any country that tries to impose technical controls of what can be said on internet , needs to be blacklisted by all other communities on the internet , and disconnected .
Otherwise , they will never learn , and their tyrannical philosophies that are perfectly contrary to the openness of internet , are in danger of surviving and being adopted by others .
So on this matter , the community needs to be prepared to act swiftly and decisevly to counter Chavez ' war on internet openness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
He can stifle the press as much as he wants.
He can make things people say on the internet as illegal to say,
and throw people in jail as much as he wants.
What the internet community should not tolerate is placing
physical controls to determine technologically what can and cannot be said.
Basically, any country that tries to impose technical controls of what can be said on internet, needs to be blacklisted by all other communities on the internet,
and disconnected.
Otherwise, they will never learn, and their tyrannical philosophies that are perfectly contrary to the openness of internet, are in danger of surviving and being adopted by others.
So on this matter, the community needs to be prepared to act swiftly and decisevly to counter Chavez' war on internet openness.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472328</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473188</id>
	<title>Re:That's the plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268592060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, but I have friends who worked in Venezuela for years.  It was a beautiful country.  It still is in many ways.  But they left it because conditions got worse and worse and they didn't want their kids growing up in an environment ruled by a bunch of demagogues interested in ruling forever (term extension) and suppressing opposition by any means.</p><p>It's off my travel list.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but I have friends who worked in Venezuela for years .
It was a beautiful country .
It still is in many ways .
But they left it because conditions got worse and worse and they did n't want their kids growing up in an environment ruled by a bunch of demagogues interested in ruling forever ( term extension ) and suppressing opposition by any means.It 's off my travel list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but I have friends who worked in Venezuela for years.
It was a beautiful country.
It still is in many ways.
But they left it because conditions got worse and worse and they didn't want their kids growing up in an environment ruled by a bunch of demagogues interested in ruling forever (term extension) and suppressing opposition by any means.It's off my travel list.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472402</id>
	<title>Press freedom</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268585220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Something we support for those countries where the press votes mostly to the left!</p><p>Sincerely</p><p>- The Left</p><p>captcha: 'pinkish'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Something we support for those countries where the press votes mostly to the left ! Sincerely- The Leftcaptcha : 'pinkish'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something we support for those countries where the press votes mostly to the left!Sincerely- The Leftcaptcha: 'pinkish'</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472484</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268586000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Coming soon to Obamaland!</p></div><p>That's pure and utter bullshit!  You've been listening to Faux News too much!  Try listening to real news sources, not the Republican Propaganda Machine that is Faux News.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Coming soon to Obamaland ! That 's pure and utter bullshit !
You 've been listening to Faux News too much !
Try listening to real news sources , not the Republican Propaganda Machine that is Faux News .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Coming soon to Obamaland!That's pure and utter bullshit!
You've been listening to Faux News too much!
Try listening to real news sources, not the Republican Propaganda Machine that is Faux News.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472498</id>
	<title>Re:A Dictator Stifles The Press?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268586120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This isn't shocking. In fact, I'm surprised it took him this long.</p></div><p>Keep holding your breath: "but the socialist leader has not given any sign that he is planning such a move." -TFA</p><p>It's as though the headline was somehow giving an impression that something more sensational is happening... Shocking!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't shocking .
In fact , I 'm surprised it took him this long.Keep holding your breath : " but the socialist leader has not given any sign that he is planning such a move .
" -TFAIt 's as though the headline was somehow giving an impression that something more sensational is happening... Shocking !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't shocking.
In fact, I'm surprised it took him this long.Keep holding your breath: "but the socialist leader has not given any sign that he is planning such a move.
" -TFAIt's as though the headline was somehow giving an impression that something more sensational is happening... Shocking!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473456</id>
	<title>Re:Another anti-Chavez ill-informed kneejerk react</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1268594400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For example, imagine that a media company such as Fox/CNN/whatever decided to run stories on how Bush/Obama was assassinated. Imagine that that media company decided not only to post that information but also kept it up for days, although it was repeatedly contacted to be informed that no, Bush/Obama was still very much alive. If, after that, Bush/Obama complained that you shouldn't post false information to your heart's content, would that make Bush/Obama dictators who hate freedom and want to wage war on openness?</p> </div><p>Let's take a real example: Fox News calling a number of Republican representatives and senators Democrats when they were caught with some sex scandal. What happened? Nothing. And quite frankly, nothing should have happened. Maybe the DNC could have sued for slander, but what happened was exactly what was supposed to have happened.</p><p>Contrast that with Chavez's posturing, who wants to control what gets posted to the Internet. There's no need to knee-jerk, because it is patently obvious what's happening: someone wants a method to shut people down when they become bothersome.</p><p>And for the record, that's exactly the outcry that comes up here in the US when a wannabe dictator tries to implement rules like that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For example , imagine that a media company such as Fox/CNN/whatever decided to run stories on how Bush/Obama was assassinated .
Imagine that that media company decided not only to post that information but also kept it up for days , although it was repeatedly contacted to be informed that no , Bush/Obama was still very much alive .
If , after that , Bush/Obama complained that you should n't post false information to your heart 's content , would that make Bush/Obama dictators who hate freedom and want to wage war on openness ?
Let 's take a real example : Fox News calling a number of Republican representatives and senators Democrats when they were caught with some sex scandal .
What happened ?
Nothing. And quite frankly , nothing should have happened .
Maybe the DNC could have sued for slander , but what happened was exactly what was supposed to have happened.Contrast that with Chavez 's posturing , who wants to control what gets posted to the Internet .
There 's no need to knee-jerk , because it is patently obvious what 's happening : someone wants a method to shut people down when they become bothersome.And for the record , that 's exactly the outcry that comes up here in the US when a wannabe dictator tries to implement rules like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example, imagine that a media company such as Fox/CNN/whatever decided to run stories on how Bush/Obama was assassinated.
Imagine that that media company decided not only to post that information but also kept it up for days, although it was repeatedly contacted to be informed that no, Bush/Obama was still very much alive.
If, after that, Bush/Obama complained that you shouldn't post false information to your heart's content, would that make Bush/Obama dictators who hate freedom and want to wage war on openness?
Let's take a real example: Fox News calling a number of Republican representatives and senators Democrats when they were caught with some sex scandal.
What happened?
Nothing. And quite frankly, nothing should have happened.
Maybe the DNC could have sued for slander, but what happened was exactly what was supposed to have happened.Contrast that with Chavez's posturing, who wants to control what gets posted to the Internet.
There's no need to knee-jerk, because it is patently obvious what's happening: someone wants a method to shut people down when they become bothersome.And for the record, that's exactly the outcry that comes up here in the US when a wannabe dictator tries to implement rules like that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31478866</id>
	<title>He was elected, long live His Excellency etc</title>
	<author>FreakyGreenLeaky</author>
	<datestamp>1268685120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find these stories quite funny.  Let's not forget that Chavez was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo\_Ch\%C3\%A1vez" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">democratically</a> [wikipedia.org] elected, three times.  He's a monkey,  but a monkey voted for by his people.  They have given him a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George\_W.\_Bush" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">mandate</a> [wikipedia.org] to fuck around to his stupid little heart's content.</p><p>Very much like that other little fucking monkey, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert\_Mugabe" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Robert Mugabe</a> [wikipedia.org].  However, ol' Bob has had decades of time to monkey around and fuck things up.</p><p>What's my point?  I have no fucking idea.  They're all fucking monkeys fucking things up.  Some are just more <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol\_Pot" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">efficient</a> [wikipedia.org] monkeys than <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi\_Amin" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">others</a> [wikipedia.org].  Maybe my point is to take it easy on ol' Hugo, give him time, he's just <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius\_Malema" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">warming</a> [wikipedia.org] up.  Please don't judge him on his looks - it's not his fault his face is a bit downsy.</p><p>By the time the stupid monkey electorate in Venezuela realize they've been fed their own shit in a recursive fashion, it'll be too late, as with ol' Bob and his monkey pals in Zimbabwe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find these stories quite funny .
Let 's not forget that Chavez was democratically [ wikipedia.org ] elected , three times .
He 's a monkey , but a monkey voted for by his people .
They have given him a mandate [ wikipedia.org ] to fuck around to his stupid little heart 's content.Very much like that other little fucking monkey , Robert Mugabe [ wikipedia.org ] .
However , ol ' Bob has had decades of time to monkey around and fuck things up.What 's my point ?
I have no fucking idea .
They 're all fucking monkeys fucking things up .
Some are just more efficient [ wikipedia.org ] monkeys than others [ wikipedia.org ] .
Maybe my point is to take it easy on ol ' Hugo , give him time , he 's just warming [ wikipedia.org ] up .
Please do n't judge him on his looks - it 's not his fault his face is a bit downsy.By the time the stupid monkey electorate in Venezuela realize they 've been fed their own shit in a recursive fashion , it 'll be too late , as with ol ' Bob and his monkey pals in Zimbabwe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find these stories quite funny.
Let's not forget that Chavez was democratically [wikipedia.org] elected, three times.
He's a monkey,  but a monkey voted for by his people.
They have given him a mandate [wikipedia.org] to fuck around to his stupid little heart's content.Very much like that other little fucking monkey, Robert Mugabe [wikipedia.org].
However, ol' Bob has had decades of time to monkey around and fuck things up.What's my point?
I have no fucking idea.
They're all fucking monkeys fucking things up.
Some are just more efficient [wikipedia.org] monkeys than others [wikipedia.org].
Maybe my point is to take it easy on ol' Hugo, give him time, he's just warming [wikipedia.org] up.
Please don't judge him on his looks - it's not his fault his face is a bit downsy.By the time the stupid monkey electorate in Venezuela realize they've been fed their own shit in a recursive fashion, it'll be too late, as with ol' Bob and his monkey pals in Zimbabwe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472474</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>countertrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1268585880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obama's a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications\_Decency\_Act" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">noob</a> [wikipedia.org]...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama 's a noob [ wikipedia.org ] .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama's a noob [wikipedia.org]...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31474444</id>
	<title>Re:That's the plan</title>
	<author>Artemis3</author>
	<datestamp>1268560020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.laht.com/article.asp?CategoryId=10717&amp;ArticleId=344086" title="laht.com">http://www.laht.com/article.asp?CategoryId=10717&amp;ArticleId=344086</a> [laht.com]<br><a href="http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/601" title="venezuelanalysis.com">http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/601</a> [venezuelanalysis.com]<br><a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/07/something-fishy-in-venezuela/?feat=home\_editorials" title="washingtontimes.com">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/07/something-fishy-in-venezuela/?feat=home\_editorials</a> [washingtontimes.com]</p><p>Dec 2002 to Mar 2003: Disrupting and attempting destruction of the oil industry, depriving everyone of fuel. Most of the saboteurs were fired and the government acquired more control of the industry.<br>Dec 2002 to Mac 2003: Owners lock-out attempting to force Chavez a resign, did nothing against the government, deprived people from food and basic consumables. It showed the dangers of leaving everything in private hands, the government started implementing state owned production, distribution, and now retail of goods. In short, backfired horribly to opposition interests.<br>Dec 2004: Opposition parties decide to retire all their candidates to the National Assembly, as a form of "protest", then proceed to cry the following years for not having any representation; get a little breath from former Chavez supporters turning sides (cheating their voters), but still almost non existent presence in the unicameral legislative branch.<br>2005 etc: Call to block streets near your home. Of course this works mostly in opposition zones, which makes them self isolated for a couple of days, rest of the country ignores them and lives normally.<br>2006+ attempts to try Ukraine style "orange" revolt (The Albert Einstein Institute method used in many countries) to use "pacific" methods to overthrown ("anti-us") governments. Unfortunately the Venezuelan "students" didn't get the "pacific" part too well, and ended igniting fires, destroying property and even using firearms, losing what little support from the civic society might have left in them.</p><p>I could go on, but you either get it or won't at this point. Opposition fails because of its own stupid mistakes, funny thing is they get openly funded by US Tax payers, in the form of National Endowment for Democracy (bi-partisan institution to fund "pro-american" groups in the world) USAID and such. <a href="http://www.venezuelafoia.info/english.html" title="venezuelafoia.info">http://www.venezuelafoia.info/english.html</a> [venezuelafoia.info]</p><p>If the USA used a fraction of the funds they waste all over the world funding parties and movements, and instead used it to solve their own social domestic issues, the effects of the economic crash would have been all gone by know, and wouldn't need people crashing planes against public buildings to show their discontent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.laht.com/article.asp ? CategoryId = 10717&amp;ArticleId = 344086 [ laht.com ] http : //www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/601 [ venezuelanalysis.com ] http : //www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/07/something-fishy-in-venezuela/ ? feat = home \ _editorials [ washingtontimes.com ] Dec 2002 to Mar 2003 : Disrupting and attempting destruction of the oil industry , depriving everyone of fuel .
Most of the saboteurs were fired and the government acquired more control of the industry.Dec 2002 to Mac 2003 : Owners lock-out attempting to force Chavez a resign , did nothing against the government , deprived people from food and basic consumables .
It showed the dangers of leaving everything in private hands , the government started implementing state owned production , distribution , and now retail of goods .
In short , backfired horribly to opposition interests.Dec 2004 : Opposition parties decide to retire all their candidates to the National Assembly , as a form of " protest " , then proceed to cry the following years for not having any representation ; get a little breath from former Chavez supporters turning sides ( cheating their voters ) , but still almost non existent presence in the unicameral legislative branch.2005 etc : Call to block streets near your home .
Of course this works mostly in opposition zones , which makes them self isolated for a couple of days , rest of the country ignores them and lives normally.2006 + attempts to try Ukraine style " orange " revolt ( The Albert Einstein Institute method used in many countries ) to use " pacific " methods to overthrown ( " anti-us " ) governments .
Unfortunately the Venezuelan " students " did n't get the " pacific " part too well , and ended igniting fires , destroying property and even using firearms , losing what little support from the civic society might have left in them.I could go on , but you either get it or wo n't at this point .
Opposition fails because of its own stupid mistakes , funny thing is they get openly funded by US Tax payers , in the form of National Endowment for Democracy ( bi-partisan institution to fund " pro-american " groups in the world ) USAID and such .
http : //www.venezuelafoia.info/english.html [ venezuelafoia.info ] If the USA used a fraction of the funds they waste all over the world funding parties and movements , and instead used it to solve their own social domestic issues , the effects of the economic crash would have been all gone by know , and would n't need people crashing planes against public buildings to show their discontent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.laht.com/article.asp?CategoryId=10717&amp;ArticleId=344086 [laht.com]http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/601 [venezuelanalysis.com]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/07/something-fishy-in-venezuela/?feat=home\_editorials [washingtontimes.com]Dec 2002 to Mar 2003: Disrupting and attempting destruction of the oil industry, depriving everyone of fuel.
Most of the saboteurs were fired and the government acquired more control of the industry.Dec 2002 to Mac 2003: Owners lock-out attempting to force Chavez a resign, did nothing against the government, deprived people from food and basic consumables.
It showed the dangers of leaving everything in private hands, the government started implementing state owned production, distribution, and now retail of goods.
In short, backfired horribly to opposition interests.Dec 2004: Opposition parties decide to retire all their candidates to the National Assembly, as a form of "protest", then proceed to cry the following years for not having any representation; get a little breath from former Chavez supporters turning sides (cheating their voters), but still almost non existent presence in the unicameral legislative branch.2005 etc: Call to block streets near your home.
Of course this works mostly in opposition zones, which makes them self isolated for a couple of days, rest of the country ignores them and lives normally.2006+ attempts to try Ukraine style "orange" revolt (The Albert Einstein Institute method used in many countries) to use "pacific" methods to overthrown ("anti-us") governments.
Unfortunately the Venezuelan "students" didn't get the "pacific" part too well, and ended igniting fires, destroying property and even using firearms, losing what little support from the civic society might have left in them.I could go on, but you either get it or won't at this point.
Opposition fails because of its own stupid mistakes, funny thing is they get openly funded by US Tax payers, in the form of National Endowment for Democracy (bi-partisan institution to fund "pro-american" groups in the world) USAID and such.
http://www.venezuelafoia.info/english.html [venezuelafoia.info]If the USA used a fraction of the funds they waste all over the world funding parties and movements, and instead used it to solve their own social domestic issues, the effects of the economic crash would have been all gone by know, and wouldn't need people crashing planes against public buildings to show their discontent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31475712</id>
	<title>Dictator Chavez! Come and get me, Sean!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268568600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe Chavez can put that scummy piece of filth Sean Penn in charge of the filtering.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe Chavez can put that scummy piece of filth Sean Penn in charge of the filtering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe Chavez can put that scummy piece of filth Sean Penn in charge of the filtering.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472760</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>ldconfig</author>
	<datestamp>1268588460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cameras on street corners - ISP's spying on customers for the MPAA/RIAA - Law enforcement backdoors - Games that won't play in single player mode without 'calling home' - Warrant less wire taps - Torture - Cell phone co. law enforcement websites that give instant access to GPS data - Government tracking cookies and malware - Forced to 'show your papers' to travel - Almost daily videos of police beatings - Sick people jailed for medical cannabis - Full body scanners - For profit jails (and judges) - DMCA - EULA's - DCI byte (broadcast flag) - Private for profit armies - IP enforcement disguised as cyber security - Drug tests - Rigged media<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I can go on lol
Pot meet kettle</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cameras on street corners - ISP 's spying on customers for the MPAA/RIAA - Law enforcement backdoors - Games that wo n't play in single player mode without 'calling home ' - Warrant less wire taps - Torture - Cell phone co. law enforcement websites that give instant access to GPS data - Government tracking cookies and malware - Forced to 'show your papers ' to travel - Almost daily videos of police beatings - Sick people jailed for medical cannabis - Full body scanners - For profit jails ( and judges ) - DMCA - EULA 's - DCI byte ( broadcast flag ) - Private for profit armies - IP enforcement disguised as cyber security - Drug tests - Rigged media ... I can go on lol Pot meet kettle</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cameras on street corners - ISP's spying on customers for the MPAA/RIAA - Law enforcement backdoors - Games that won't play in single player mode without 'calling home' - Warrant less wire taps - Torture - Cell phone co. law enforcement websites that give instant access to GPS data - Government tracking cookies and malware - Forced to 'show your papers' to travel - Almost daily videos of police beatings - Sick people jailed for medical cannabis - Full body scanners - For profit jails (and judges) - DMCA - EULA's - DCI byte (broadcast flag) - Private for profit armies - IP enforcement disguised as cyber security - Drug tests - Rigged media ... I can go on lol
Pot meet kettle</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31474080</id>
	<title>Re:Another anti-Chavez ill-informed kneejerk react</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268600100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Those irrational, anti-Chavez militants make it a point to accuse him of being a dictator although he is holding a democratically appointed position to which he was elected <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan\_presidential\_election,\_1998" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">time</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002\_Venezuelan\_coup\_d'\%C3\%A9tat\_attempt" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">and</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan\_presidential\_election,\_2006" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">again</a> [wikipedia.org] and although he has been the target of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan\_coup\_attempts\_of\_1992" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">multiple</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002\_Venezuelan\_coup\_d'\%C3\%A9tat\_attempt" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">coup</a> [wikipedia.org] attempts, all of which were reverted by none other than Venezuela's people.  Is that what being a dictator is about?</p></div><p>In short: Yes, if you include repeatedly  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency\_of\_Hugo\_Ch\%C3\%A1vez" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">changing the constitution</a> [wikipedia.org] to extend or eliminate the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/15/AR2009021500136.html" title="washingtonpost.com" rel="nofollow">legal restrictions on presidential terms</a> [washingtonpost.com], dissolving checks and balances on presidential power... then <a href="http://www.gobiernoenlinea.ve/venezuela/perfil\_presidente23.html" title="gobiernoenlinea.ve" rel="nofollow">that is exactly what being a dictator is about</a> [gobiernoenlinea.ve].</p><p><div class="quote"><p>That is to be expected among the great unwashed masses but hell, this is supposed to be slashdot, a place where informed, educated people tend to read and post news.  This sort of nonsense shouldn't take place here.</p></div><p>You must be new here<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p>While I agree with you that most comments here show knee-jerk reactions, I find them more balanced - both sides are well represented by lots of people who don't know what they're talking about, and don't realize the implications such ignorance on the constituency could have on foreign policy (or lack thereof). But that's not a new or unexpected state of affairs.</p><p>If anything, I find the other side of ignorance more irritating in its hypocrisy: when people love Chavez just because he insulted Bush in public, and pretend to be more liberal and better informed because of that - as if the purpose of other governments, their policies and their consequences is to provide commentary for dinner party debates about tax-cuts in the US; and an habit of denouncing trade partners on TV and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999\_Vargas\_mudslide#Response\_to\_the\_disaster" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">rejecting any help as 'imperialist interventions'</a> [wikipedia.org] out of personal pride and political posturing was worth <a href="http://www.analitica.com/va/politica/opinion/9388990.asp" title="analitica.com" rel="nofollow">a few thousand lives</a> [analitica.com].</p><p>At least the reactionary knee-jerks are more likely to acknowledge their reaction is more based on emotional and political bias ('he dresses in red! he goes to Cuba!') than to lecture others on how informed they are because they read some wikipedia articles, or even saw a documentary! (as long as it matched their bias).</p></div>
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<tokenext>Those irrational , anti-Chavez militants make it a point to accuse him of being a dictator although he is holding a democratically appointed position to which he was elected time [ wikipedia.org ] and [ wikipedia.org ] again [ wikipedia.org ] and although he has been the target of multiple [ wikipedia.org ] coup [ wikipedia.org ] attempts , all of which were reverted by none other than Venezuela 's people .
Is that what being a dictator is about ? In short : Yes , if you include repeatedly changing the constitution [ wikipedia.org ] to extend or eliminate the legal restrictions on presidential terms [ washingtonpost.com ] , dissolving checks and balances on presidential power... then that is exactly what being a dictator is about [ gobiernoenlinea.ve ] .That is to be expected among the great unwashed masses but hell , this is supposed to be slashdot , a place where informed , educated people tend to read and post news .
This sort of nonsense should n't take place here.You must be new here : - ) While I agree with you that most comments here show knee-jerk reactions , I find them more balanced - both sides are well represented by lots of people who do n't know what they 're talking about , and do n't realize the implications such ignorance on the constituency could have on foreign policy ( or lack thereof ) .
But that 's not a new or unexpected state of affairs.If anything , I find the other side of ignorance more irritating in its hypocrisy : when people love Chavez just because he insulted Bush in public , and pretend to be more liberal and better informed because of that - as if the purpose of other governments , their policies and their consequences is to provide commentary for dinner party debates about tax-cuts in the US ; and an habit of denouncing trade partners on TV and rejecting any help as 'imperialist interventions ' [ wikipedia.org ] out of personal pride and political posturing was worth a few thousand lives [ analitica.com ] .At least the reactionary knee-jerks are more likely to acknowledge their reaction is more based on emotional and political bias ( 'he dresses in red !
he goes to Cuba !
' ) than to lecture others on how informed they are because they read some wikipedia articles , or even saw a documentary !
( as long as it matched their bias ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those irrational, anti-Chavez militants make it a point to accuse him of being a dictator although he is holding a democratically appointed position to which he was elected time [wikipedia.org] and [wikipedia.org] again [wikipedia.org] and although he has been the target of multiple [wikipedia.org] coup [wikipedia.org] attempts, all of which were reverted by none other than Venezuela's people.
Is that what being a dictator is about?In short: Yes, if you include repeatedly  changing the constitution [wikipedia.org] to extend or eliminate the legal restrictions on presidential terms [washingtonpost.com], dissolving checks and balances on presidential power... then that is exactly what being a dictator is about [gobiernoenlinea.ve].That is to be expected among the great unwashed masses but hell, this is supposed to be slashdot, a place where informed, educated people tend to read and post news.
This sort of nonsense shouldn't take place here.You must be new here :-)While I agree with you that most comments here show knee-jerk reactions, I find them more balanced - both sides are well represented by lots of people who don't know what they're talking about, and don't realize the implications such ignorance on the constituency could have on foreign policy (or lack thereof).
But that's not a new or unexpected state of affairs.If anything, I find the other side of ignorance more irritating in its hypocrisy: when people love Chavez just because he insulted Bush in public, and pretend to be more liberal and better informed because of that - as if the purpose of other governments, their policies and their consequences is to provide commentary for dinner party debates about tax-cuts in the US; and an habit of denouncing trade partners on TV and rejecting any help as 'imperialist interventions' [wikipedia.org] out of personal pride and political posturing was worth a few thousand lives [analitica.com].At least the reactionary knee-jerks are more likely to acknowledge their reaction is more based on emotional and political bias ('he dresses in red!
he goes to Cuba!
') than to lecture others on how informed they are because they read some wikipedia articles, or even saw a documentary!
(as long as it matched their bias).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472540</id>
	<title>Re:A Dictator Stifles The Press?</title>
	<author>GreatBunzinni</author>
	<datestamp>1268586420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't get it.  A website falsely claims that a government minister was assassinated and keeps posting it for days.  So when Chavez complains that that particular website shouldn't be allowed to falsely claim that a minister was killed then Chavez is suddenly a dictator?  Where exactly do you base that conclusion on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get it .
A website falsely claims that a government minister was assassinated and keeps posting it for days .
So when Chavez complains that that particular website should n't be allowed to falsely claim that a minister was killed then Chavez is suddenly a dictator ?
Where exactly do you base that conclusion on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get it.
A website falsely claims that a government minister was assassinated and keeps posting it for days.
So when Chavez complains that that particular website shouldn't be allowed to falsely claim that a minister was killed then Chavez is suddenly a dictator?
Where exactly do you base that conclusion on?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472950</id>
	<title>The government doesn't have to censor...</title>
	<author>copponex</author>
	<datestamp>1268590140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We already have a government that can monitor everything you say, including non-public correspondence where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy. You think outright censorship is very far away?</p></div><p>The government does not need to censor the media. The media censors itself. This news item is a perfect example of the hysterical bias of corporate outlets. When Paul Bremer shut down the radical Iraqi newspaper Al Hawza for publishing false stories in Iraq, for the safety and security of Iraqis, there was no public outcry of dictatorship or communist ideals. They just said it was a bad decision.</p><p>Chavez came out with a statement saying, "The Internet cannot be something open where anything is said and done. Every country has to apply its own rules and norms." He's basically pushing for public support of laws that require journalistic integrity. In effect, he's arguing for libel laws that already exist in much of the Western world to be applied to media outlets on the internet.</p><p>Saudi Arabia is a monarchy that has active internet censorship. Where are the news articles about that? How about Pakistan? How about Egypt?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The Press Law, Publications Law, and the penal code regulate and govern the press. According to these, criticism of the president can be punished by fines or imprisonment. Freedom House deems Egypt to have an unfree press, although mentions they have a diversity of sources. Reporters Without Borders 2006 report indicates continued harassment and, in three cases, imprisonment, of journalists. They place Egypt 143rd out of 167 nations on press freedoms. The two sources agree that promised reforms on the subject have been disappointingly slow or uneven in implementation. Freedomhouse had a slightly more positive assessment indicating that an increased freedom to discuss controversial issues has occurred. -WikiPedia</p></div><p>Chavez is a current propaganda tool for the West. He's no saint, but I get tired of news media who are either unwilling or unable to report balanced information.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We already have a government that can monitor everything you say , including non-public correspondence where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy .
You think outright censorship is very far away ? The government does not need to censor the media .
The media censors itself .
This news item is a perfect example of the hysterical bias of corporate outlets .
When Paul Bremer shut down the radical Iraqi newspaper Al Hawza for publishing false stories in Iraq , for the safety and security of Iraqis , there was no public outcry of dictatorship or communist ideals .
They just said it was a bad decision.Chavez came out with a statement saying , " The Internet can not be something open where anything is said and done .
Every country has to apply its own rules and norms .
" He 's basically pushing for public support of laws that require journalistic integrity .
In effect , he 's arguing for libel laws that already exist in much of the Western world to be applied to media outlets on the internet.Saudi Arabia is a monarchy that has active internet censorship .
Where are the news articles about that ?
How about Pakistan ?
How about Egypt ? The Press Law , Publications Law , and the penal code regulate and govern the press .
According to these , criticism of the president can be punished by fines or imprisonment .
Freedom House deems Egypt to have an unfree press , although mentions they have a diversity of sources .
Reporters Without Borders 2006 report indicates continued harassment and , in three cases , imprisonment , of journalists .
They place Egypt 143rd out of 167 nations on press freedoms .
The two sources agree that promised reforms on the subject have been disappointingly slow or uneven in implementation .
Freedomhouse had a slightly more positive assessment indicating that an increased freedom to discuss controversial issues has occurred .
-WikiPediaChavez is a current propaganda tool for the West .
He 's no saint , but I get tired of news media who are either unwilling or unable to report balanced information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We already have a government that can monitor everything you say, including non-public correspondence where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
You think outright censorship is very far away?The government does not need to censor the media.
The media censors itself.
This news item is a perfect example of the hysterical bias of corporate outlets.
When Paul Bremer shut down the radical Iraqi newspaper Al Hawza for publishing false stories in Iraq, for the safety and security of Iraqis, there was no public outcry of dictatorship or communist ideals.
They just said it was a bad decision.Chavez came out with a statement saying, "The Internet cannot be something open where anything is said and done.
Every country has to apply its own rules and norms.
" He's basically pushing for public support of laws that require journalistic integrity.
In effect, he's arguing for libel laws that already exist in much of the Western world to be applied to media outlets on the internet.Saudi Arabia is a monarchy that has active internet censorship.
Where are the news articles about that?
How about Pakistan?
How about Egypt?The Press Law, Publications Law, and the penal code regulate and govern the press.
According to these, criticism of the president can be punished by fines or imprisonment.
Freedom House deems Egypt to have an unfree press, although mentions they have a diversity of sources.
Reporters Without Borders 2006 report indicates continued harassment and, in three cases, imprisonment, of journalists.
They place Egypt 143rd out of 167 nations on press freedoms.
The two sources agree that promised reforms on the subject have been disappointingly slow or uneven in implementation.
Freedomhouse had a slightly more positive assessment indicating that an increased freedom to discuss controversial issues has occurred.
-WikiPediaChavez is a current propaganda tool for the West.
He's no saint, but I get tired of news media who are either unwilling or unable to report balanced information.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31482226</id>
	<title>His only personal interest is to remain in power</title>
	<author>dannns</author>
	<datestamp>1268669340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hugo Chavez is a totalitarian with only the personal interest to remain in power. He is not even communist or socialist. Chavez does not worry about destroying his own country as long as he has the power. Over the past 11 years he has been wasting the money of what should have been a booming economy based on the high oil prices. Now an energy rich country even has power problems, and is proposing to have businesses close one day of the week to "save power". Chavez is just a total failure, and he wants to close any media or communication medium to avoid for the truth to be known.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugo Chavez is a totalitarian with only the personal interest to remain in power .
He is not even communist or socialist .
Chavez does not worry about destroying his own country as long as he has the power .
Over the past 11 years he has been wasting the money of what should have been a booming economy based on the high oil prices .
Now an energy rich country even has power problems , and is proposing to have businesses close one day of the week to " save power " .
Chavez is just a total failure , and he wants to close any media or communication medium to avoid for the truth to be known .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hugo Chavez is a totalitarian with only the personal interest to remain in power.
He is not even communist or socialist.
Chavez does not worry about destroying his own country as long as he has the power.
Over the past 11 years he has been wasting the money of what should have been a booming economy based on the high oil prices.
Now an energy rich country even has power problems, and is proposing to have businesses close one day of the week to "save power".
Chavez is just a total failure, and he wants to close any media or communication medium to avoid for the truth to be known.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472352</id>
	<title>So what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268584800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is that different to the legislation in Spain for example, there are things you can't say in print and Internet is no different. A lie is a lie, no matter were you publish it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is that different to the legislation in Spain for example , there are things you ca n't say in print and Internet is no different .
A lie is a lie , no matter were you publish it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is that different to the legislation in Spain for example, there are things you can't say in print and Internet is no different.
A lie is a lie, no matter were you publish it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31480330</id>
	<title>Re:Prior art</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1268657400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly what I thought. The Australian government  wants to be able to block arbitrary websites at will without oversight, and their list of banned sites already includes political sites, the British government has a web censorship system that is unofficial, and therefore unaccountable. What is the difference,.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly what I thought .
The Australian government wants to be able to block arbitrary websites at will without oversight , and their list of banned sites already includes political sites , the British government has a web censorship system that is unofficial , and therefore unaccountable .
What is the difference, .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly what I thought.
The Australian government  wants to be able to block arbitrary websites at will without oversight, and their list of banned sites already includes political sites, the British government has a web censorship system that is unofficial, and therefore unaccountable.
What is the difference,.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31474138</id>
	<title>Guess it's time...</title>
	<author>Uranium-238</author>
	<datestamp>1268557380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>..for America to finally invade Venezuela aswell then, since they can handily use regime change as a reason for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>..for America to finally invade Venezuela aswell then , since they can handily use regime change as a reason for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..for America to finally invade Venezuela aswell then, since they can handily use regime change as a reason for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31489880</id>
	<title>Re:That's the plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268658540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fuck Chavez!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck Chavez !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck Chavez!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473128</id>
	<title>wtf?</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1268591580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b> <em>'The Internet cannot be something open where anything is said and done.</em></b> </p><p>
That's the <b>definition</b> of the internet.
An open communications network where anything can be said and done.
</p><p>
If someone implements controls, then by definition it's no longer the internet,
and we no longer really have any reason to connect our networks to Venezuela, if they start putting controls in place.
</p><p>
In other words, I say blacklist them, cut them off, blacklist them, if they start trying to make something the very opposite of the internet.
</p><p>
They are damage, cut them off, and route around them, before they manage to do any more serious damage, such as spreading their philosophy to other countries.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'The Internet can not be something open where anything is said and done .
That 's the definition of the internet .
An open communications network where anything can be said and done .
If someone implements controls , then by definition it 's no longer the internet , and we no longer really have any reason to connect our networks to Venezuela , if they start putting controls in place .
In other words , I say blacklist them , cut them off , blacklist them , if they start trying to make something the very opposite of the internet .
They are damage , cut them off , and route around them , before they manage to do any more serious damage , such as spreading their philosophy to other countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  'The Internet cannot be something open where anything is said and done.
That's the definition of the internet.
An open communications network where anything can be said and done.
If someone implements controls, then by definition it's no longer the internet,
and we no longer really have any reason to connect our networks to Venezuela, if they start putting controls in place.
In other words, I say blacklist them, cut them off, blacklist them, if they start trying to make something the very opposite of the internet.
They are damage, cut them off, and route around them, before they manage to do any more serious damage, such as spreading their philosophy to other countries.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472424</id>
	<title>"Issued a call" vs. "Chavez to limit"</title>
	<author>dragisha</author>
	<datestamp>1268585460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But, of course, it's slashdot reporting here<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:).</p><p>In other news, once he decides to censor his citizens, friendly US companies will jump in with solutions... As they did for China and Iran.</p><p>Why democracies do not limit such kind of products being made and sold? Don't talk freedom here - chemical/biological agents are limited already and it's good they are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But , of course , it 's slashdot reporting here : ) .In other news , once he decides to censor his citizens , friendly US companies will jump in with solutions... As they did for China and Iran.Why democracies do not limit such kind of products being made and sold ?
Do n't talk freedom here - chemical/biological agents are limited already and it 's good they are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But, of course, it's slashdot reporting here :).In other news, once he decides to censor his citizens, friendly US companies will jump in with solutions... As they did for China and Iran.Why democracies do not limit such kind of products being made and sold?
Don't talk freedom here - chemical/biological agents are limited already and it's good they are.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31477372</id>
	<title>Down with democracy!  Up with individual freedom!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268580300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what you always get with pure democracy: a dictatorship of the mob, and of the elitist demagogues that brainwash and control them.  Any dictator in history could have been popularly elected, and anyone competent enough to seize power by force can seize it by deception just as well.  Real freedom and prosperity comes from opposing statist collectivism in all its slogans (fascism, democracy, monarchy, minarchy, communism, socialism, etc) and embracing pure free market capitalism (aka Anarcho-Capitalism) instead!</p><p>(Signed:  Alex Libman's sock-puppet.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what you always get with pure democracy : a dictatorship of the mob , and of the elitist demagogues that brainwash and control them .
Any dictator in history could have been popularly elected , and anyone competent enough to seize power by force can seize it by deception just as well .
Real freedom and prosperity comes from opposing statist collectivism in all its slogans ( fascism , democracy , monarchy , minarchy , communism , socialism , etc ) and embracing pure free market capitalism ( aka Anarcho-Capitalism ) instead !
( Signed : Alex Libman 's sock-puppet .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what you always get with pure democracy: a dictatorship of the mob, and of the elitist demagogues that brainwash and control them.
Any dictator in history could have been popularly elected, and anyone competent enough to seize power by force can seize it by deception just as well.
Real freedom and prosperity comes from opposing statist collectivism in all its slogans (fascism, democracy, monarchy, minarchy, communism, socialism, etc) and embracing pure free market capitalism (aka Anarcho-Capitalism) instead!
(Signed:  Alex Libman's sock-puppet.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31484264</id>
	<title>chavez is a monkey</title>
	<author>karlzt</author>
	<datestamp>1268678040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>chavez is an ignoramus</htmltext>
<tokenext>chavez is an ignoramus</tokentext>
<sentencetext>chavez is an ignoramus</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473264</id>
	<title>Re:"Issued a call" vs. "Chavez to limit"</title>
	<author>arielCo</author>
	<datestamp>1268592840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Chavez's "calls" and "requests" are pretty much orders to whom it main concern, usually the Supreme Court and/or Congress (the latter mostly sympathetic to him after the opposition boycotted the last elections, allegedly for concerns over "legitimating a fraud").</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chavez 's " calls " and " requests " are pretty much orders to whom it main concern , usually the Supreme Court and/or Congress ( the latter mostly sympathetic to him after the opposition boycotted the last elections , allegedly for concerns over " legitimating a fraud " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chavez's "calls" and "requests" are pretty much orders to whom it main concern, usually the Supreme Court and/or Congress (the latter mostly sympathetic to him after the opposition boycotted the last elections, allegedly for concerns over "legitimating a fraud").</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472424</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31474068</id>
	<title>Imagine a country wanting control over its own oil</title>
	<author>presidenteloco</author>
	<datestamp>1268599980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Scandalous!</p><p>It's almost like the people living there think they run<br>the place.</p><p>We'll soon sort them out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Scandalous ! It 's almost like the people living there think they runthe place.We 'll soon sort them out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Scandalous!It's almost like the people living there think they runthe place.We'll soon sort them out.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472582</id>
	<title>Re:The same kind of policies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268586720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>on the other hand, americans need to get over their paranoid 'it will happen here' mentality as well. we may be a nation of morons, but we're not that weak of a society. we're not going to come up with these kind of national standards for discourse on the internet, the right-wing 'obama as communist boogyman' stereotype nonwithstanding.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>on the other hand , americans need to get over their paranoid 'it will happen here ' mentality as well .
we may be a nation of morons , but we 're not that weak of a society .
we 're not going to come up with these kind of national standards for discourse on the internet , the right-wing 'obama as communist boogyman ' stereotype nonwithstanding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>on the other hand, americans need to get over their paranoid 'it will happen here' mentality as well.
we may be a nation of morons, but we're not that weak of a society.
we're not going to come up with these kind of national standards for discourse on the internet, the right-wing 'obama as communist boogyman' stereotype nonwithstanding.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31472368</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31476642</id>
	<title>Re:That's the plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268575380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"This small faction of what we call "media terrorist" who own private TV stations..."</p><p>Here in Venezuela people who call the media that way are known as "Chavistas"...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" This small faction of what we call " media terrorist " who own private TV stations... " Here in Venezuela people who call the media that way are known as " Chavistas " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This small faction of what we call "media terrorist" who own private TV stations..."Here in Venezuela people who call the media that way are known as "Chavistas"...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473066</id>
	<title>THIS CANNOT BE TRUE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268590980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fox News told me that Venezuela is not free and is not peaceful.  I cannot stand your affront on my reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fox News told me that Venezuela is not free and is not peaceful .
I can not stand your affront on my reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fox News told me that Venezuela is not free and is not peaceful.
I cannot stand your affront on my reality.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31473774</id>
	<title>Re:Context</title>
	<author>fnj</author>
	<datestamp>1268597040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To say the ruling class owns the politicians is a circular statement.  I believe it is more descriptive to call the U.S. a self perpetuating corruptocracy composed of an unassailable alliance of convenience between the megacorporations and the politicians.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To say the ruling class owns the politicians is a circular statement .
I believe it is more descriptive to call the U.S. a self perpetuating corruptocracy composed of an unassailable alliance of convenience between the megacorporations and the politicians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To say the ruling class owns the politicians is a circular statement.
I believe it is more descriptive to call the U.S. a self perpetuating corruptocracy composed of an unassailable alliance of convenience between the megacorporations and the politicians.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_1321251.31481404</id>
	<title>At this rate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268665260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"He specifically cited a case in which a website incorrectly reported that a senior minister had been assassinated and kept the story up for two days."</p><p>In communist Venezuela, news censors government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" He specifically cited a case in which a website incorrectly reported that a senior minister had been assassinated and kept the story up for two days .
" In communist Venezuela , news censors government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"He specifically cited a case in which a website incorrectly reported that a senior minister had been assassinated and kept the story up for two days.
"In communist Venezuela, news censors government.</sentencetext>
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	<title>At the risk of pissing off Sean Penn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268589720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>and risking jail time, what else do you expect form a dictator?</htmltext>
<tokenext>and risking jail time , what else do you expect form a dictator ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and risking jail time, what else do you expect form a dictator?</sentencetext>
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